From hughsheppard at btinternet.com Wed Apr 1 02:13:22 2020 From: hughsheppard at btinternet.com (Hugh Sheppard) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2020 08:13:22 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] 'First Night' In-Reply-To: References: <92CF7F98-985C-4CF5-8C6A-6A83BECF5D8B@epi-centre.com> Message-ID: <026d1fa8-f686-682e-fe6c-972bf115ccdb@btinternet.com> Tony Powell of a certainty. Hugh On 31-Mar-20 8:22 PM, Geoff Fletcher via Tech1 wrote: > Tony Powell standing by the Mole? > G > > On Tue, 31 Mar 2020 at 15:30, John Henshall via Tech1 > > wrote: > > Sixty years ago this year our beloved TC opened. > > On 29 June 1960 the first ?live? broadcast from TC3, /First > Night,/ took place. Fascinating to watch, sixty years on. > > Here are a couple of screen-grabs from a telerecording of that > show, comp?red by David Nixon, with people you might recognise. > > I believe it is Bernard Fox on the front of the Mole crane, > chatting up the dancer? 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In-Reply-To: <5e83be77.1c69fb81.9f24a.0674@mx.google.com> References: <5e83be77.1c69fb81.9f24a.0674@mx.google.com> Message-ID: If it's the one shot in TVT it's crew 2 with Frank on the mole, who I think may just have creeped into shot at one point. Sent with [ProtonMail](https://protonmail.com) Secure Email. ??????? Original Message ??????? On Tuesday, 31 March 2020 23:04, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > What?s the link? > > Mixer could be Len Shorey or Hugh Barker, perhaps. > > Len has passed, and poor Hugh has Alzheimers, > > So can?t ask them to confirm. > > Pat > > Sent from [Mail](https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986) for Windows 10 > > From: [Georgie and Steve Rogers via Tech1](mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk) > Sent: 31 March 2020 22:32 > To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > Subject: [Tech1] Passing time. > > Been browsing through you tube found a classic 1965 Joan Baez concert by Stewart Morris from TVT beautifully shot and mixed does anybody know what crew it was and why the credits appear halfway through? So nice to music as it should be shot. > > https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient > Virus-free. [www.avast.com](https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient) > > #DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From barrybonner119 at btinternet.com Wed Apr 1 09:12:37 2020 From: barrybonner119 at btinternet.com (Barry Bonner) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2020 15:12:37 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Passing time. In-Reply-To: References: <5e83be77.1c69fb81.9f24a.0674@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <1F923308-04F4-4C40-81F5-F72C99B890C8@btinternet.com> Brian Forgham was the sound supervisor. Credited at the end of the full version. HERE Quite a few of these concerts e.g. ?Tonight in Person? often allowed the performer to play much longer to benefit the audience in the theatre. I remember Joni Mitchell insisting on playing longer as the ??...audience have come a long way to see me!? Neil Diamond also. Barry. On 1 Apr 2020, at 14:36, techtone via Tech1 wrote: > If it's the one shot in TVT it's crew 2 with Frank on the mole, who I think may just have creeped into shot at one point. > > > Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email. > > ??????? Original Message ??????? > On Tuesday, 31 March 2020 23:04, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > >> What?s the link? >> >> Mixer could be Len Shorey or Hugh Barker, perhaps. >> >> Len has passed, and poor Hugh has Alzheimers, >> >> So can?t ask them to confirm. >> >> Pat >> >> >> >> Sent from Mail for Windows 10 >> >> >> >> >> From: Georgie and Steve Rogers via Tech1 >> Sent: 31 March 2020 22:32 >> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> Subject: [Tech1] Passing time. >> >> >> >> Been browsing through you tube found a classic 1965 Joan Baez concert by Stewart Morris from TVT beautifully shot and mixed does anybody know what crew it was and why the credits appear halfway through? So nice to music as it should be shot. >> >> >> >> >> >> Virus-free. www.avast.com >> > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Wed Apr 1 09:29:33 2020 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2020 15:29:33 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Passing time. In-Reply-To: <1F923308-04F4-4C40-81F5-F72C99B890C8@btinternet.com> References: <5e83be77.1c69fb81.9f24a.0674@mx.google.com> <1F923308-04F4-4C40-81F5-F72C99B890C8@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <5e84a54d.1c69fb81.8447.c90e@mx.google.com> Thanks, Barry, Brian was another of the nicest people I ever worked with at TVC. He obviously reckoned on enough pick-up of the guitar on the single vocal mic. (AKG C28 with the long extension tube ? VR1 or 2 ?). Speaking of C28?s I was trusted by Derek Gough to borrow a couple of C28?s to record a local am-dram musical at home. Recorded in stereo to my Revox via a Vortexion mixer loaned by Mike McCarthy. Nick?s TV camera gave me a view of the stage to my ?control room? set up in my uncle?s caravan parked outside the little theatre. What fun in those days! Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Barry Bonner via Tech1 Sent: 01 April 2020 15:12 To: techtone Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Passing time. Brian Forgham was the sound supervisor. Credited at the end of the full version.?HERE Quite a few of these concerts e.g. ?Tonight in Person? often allowed the performer to play much longer to benefit the audience in the theatre.? I remember Joni Mitchell insisting on playing longer as the ??...audience have come a long way to see me!? Neil Diamond also. Barry. On 1 Apr 2020, at 14:36, techtone via Tech1 wrote: If it's the one shot in TVT it's crew 2 with Frank on the mole, who I think may just have creeped into shot at one point. Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email. ??????? Original Message ??????? On Tuesday, 31 March 2020 23:04, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: What?s the link? Mixer could be Len Shorey or Hugh Barker, perhaps. Len has passed, and poor Hugh has Alzheimers, So can?t ask them to confirm. Pat ? Sent from Mail for Windows 10 ? From: Georgie and Steve Rogers via Tech1 Sent: 31 March 2020 22:32 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: [Tech1] Passing time. ? Been browsing through you tube found a classic 1965 Joan Baez concert by Stewart Morris from TVT beautifully shot and mixed does anybody know what crew it was and why the credits appear halfway through? So nice to music as it should be shot.?? ? 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URL: From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com Wed Apr 1 11:15:41 2020 From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2020 17:15:41 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Topics 2 - Your Tech Ops on-line magazine Message-ID: <8a9b7026-2969-dce7-1c15-5e474b8e8e4c@gmail.com> Hello Everyone, Here is Issue 2 of Tech Ops Topics: click on the link below to open the contents page. http://tech-ops.co.uk/next/2020/04/topics-issue-2/ As before, it is a collection of articles made from the contributions you have made to the Tech Ops email group - but of course it is selective.? If your email or pet topic does not appear -? please accept my apologies. As of today, there are still over one thousand six hundred emails since June 2019 which haven't been used for these topics, and there are getting on for three thousand from before that date which have been partly used: if anyone else would like to have a go at sorting through them, please feel free! I have included Dr.? Douglas McNaughton on this emailing for three reasons. Firstly, I have included Dr. McNaughton's emails in the appropriate section, so it is only courteous to let him know what is going on. Secondly, he has shown interest in the Tech Ops web site, so this will keep him up to date.? And lastly, there may be something in these pages which will attract the attention of students! Some of these pages have been "published" to you before, but unless you know what to search for, they are tricky to find: here, one click and you are there.? There are a couple of bits which have not been the subject of emails - I hope Bernie will accept them... I am having trouble with David Lawson's mounting database: it will be resolved, but I wasn't going to hold up the rest of the issue while I fiddled: it is reasonably up-to-date as of now. Hope that you all enjoy this Keep safe!! -- Best Regards Alec Alec Bray alec.bray.2 at gmail.com mob: 07789 561 346 home: 0118 981 7502 From bernie833 at gmail.com Wed Apr 1 11:48:49 2020 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2020 17:48:49 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Passing time. In-Reply-To: <5e83be77.1c69fb81.9f24a.0674@mx.google.com> References: <5e83be77.1c69fb81.9f24a.0674@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Credits - I assume they were asked to run 33.30. They let it run on, and then she came back and did an encore, which Pres could take or not. Tom Corcoran always did that on Rock Goes to College, so the network director could dump it at the end of the credits or let it roll on. We used to have to end BBC2 at 0015, so when I was directing I'd let it roll on and have the announcer say "and from BBC2, goodnight" over the symbol....and fade...tick tick tick 0015. Bernie On Tue, Mar 31, 2020 at 11:05 PM patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > What?s the link? > > Mixer could be Len Shorey or Hugh Barker, perhaps. > > Len has passed, and poor Hugh has Alzheimers, > > So can?t ask them to confirm. > > Pat > > > > Sent from Mail for > Windows 10 > > > > *From: *Georgie and Steve Rogers via Tech1 > *Sent: *31 March 2020 22:32 > *To: *tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > *Subject: *[Tech1] Passing time. > > > > Been browsing through you tube found a classic 1965 Joan Baez concert by > Stewart Morris from TVT beautifully shot and mixed does anybody know what > crew it was and why the credits appear halfway through? So nice to music as > it should be shot. > > > > > Virus-free. > www.avast.com > > <#m_-6788526224762367576_DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Wed Apr 1 12:41:18 2020 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2020 18:41:18 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] C28 extns. In-Reply-To: <5e84a54d.1c69fb81.8447.c90e@mx.google.com> References: <5e83be77.1c69fb81.9f24a.0674@mx.google.com> <1F923308-04F4-4C40-81F5-F72C99B890C8@btinternet.com> <5e84a54d.1c69fb81.8447.c90e@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <570ab9e9-7238-fb33-593c-d1ca717dd0f2@btinternet.com> The extensions were C29 (short) and C30 (long) if my aged memory serves me correctly, VR1 and VR2 were extensions for the C451. Some vandal straightened a C30 to be able to come up through the riser in the 'Palladium' stage! Cheers, Dave On 01/04/2020 15:29, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > > Thanks, Barry, > > Brian was another of the nicest people I ever worked with at TVC. > > He obviously reckoned on enough pick-up of the guitar on the single > vocal mic. (AKG C28 with the long extension tube ? VR1 or 2 ?). > > Speaking of C28?s I was trusted by Derek Gough to borrow a couple of > C28?s to record a local am-dram musical at home. Recorded in stereo to > my Revox via a Vortexion mixer loaned by Mike McCarthy. Nick?s TV > camera gave me a view of the stage to my ?control room? set up in my > uncle?s caravan parked outside the little theatre. > > What fun in those days! > > Pat > > Sent from Mail for > Windows 10 > > *From: *Barry Bonner via Tech1 > *Sent: *01 April 2020 15:12 > *To: *techtone > *Cc: *tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > *Subject: *Re: [Tech1] Passing time. > > Brian Forgham was the sound supervisor. Credited at the end of the > full version. HERE > > Quite a few of these concerts e.g. ?Tonight in Person? often allowed > the performer to play much longer to benefit the audience in the theatre. > > I remember Joni Mitchell insisting on playing longer as the > ??...audience have come a long way to see me!? Neil Diamond also. > > /Barry./ > > On 1 Apr 2020, at 14:36, techtone via Tech1 > wrote: > > > > If it's the one shot in TVT it's crew 2 with Frank on the mole, > who I think may just have creeped into shot at one point. > > Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email. > > ??????? Original Message ??????? > > On Tuesday, 31 March 2020 23:04, patheigham via Tech1 > > wrote: > > What?s the link? > > Mixer could be Len Shorey or Hugh Barker, perhaps. > > Len has passed, and poor Hugh has Alzheimers, > > So can?t ask them to confirm. > > Pat > > Sent from Mail > for Windows 10 > > *From: *Georgie and Steve Rogers via Tech1 > > > *Sent: *31 March 2020 22:32 > > *To: *tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > > *Subject: *[Tech1] Passing time. > > Been browsing through you tube found a classic 1965 Joan Baez > concert by Stewart Morris from TVT beautifully shot and mixed > does anybody know what crew it was and why the credits appear > halfway through? So nice to music as it should be shot. > > > > > > Virus-free. www.avast.com > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > > > Virus-free. www.avast.com > > > > <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From peter.neill at icloud.com Wed Apr 1 14:07:45 2020 From: peter.neill at icloud.com (Peter Neill) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2020 20:07:45 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] C28 extns. In-Reply-To: <570ab9e9-7238-fb33-593c-d1ca717dd0f2@btinternet.com> References: <570ab9e9-7238-fb33-593c-d1ca717dd0f2@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <0400776E-B3D4-4224-A1C0-E60086DDF26E@icloud.com> I worked on that Joan Baez show - it was indeed Crew 2 with Frank and, as Barry says, Bryan Forgham mixing. A couple of points. Stewart wanted the VR30 painted black as it was catching the spotlight too much. Initially Bryan said no but relented when Stewart threatened to do it himself during the break. Bryan drew the line at the windshield, though. Secondly, we were due to record a similar programme the next day with Bob Dylan but he went sick. So, knowing he had a studio, crew and audience Stewart mounted an alternative programme with Oscar Brown Jr. who was doing a season at the Cool Elephant night club. There was a sign outside TVT telling the audience of the substitution but most of them came in anyway. There was virtually no rehearsal and the whole show was winged. It was a great success. Sadly it was wiped years ago. The Dylan show was remounted one TC3 a few days later with a different crew. Sent from my iPhone. Apologies for typos and autocorruptions. > On 1 Apr 2020, at 18:41, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: > > ? > The extensions were C29 (short) and C30 (long) if my aged memory serves me correctly, VR1 and VR2 were extensions for the C451. Some vandal straightened a C30 to be able to come up through the riser in the 'Palladium' stage! Cheers, Dave > > On 01/04/2020 15:29, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: >> Thanks, Barry, >> Brian was another of the nicest people I ever worked with at TVC. >> He obviously reckoned on enough pick-up of the guitar on the single vocal mic. (AKG C28 with the long extension tube ? VR1 or 2 ?). >> >> Speaking of C28?s I was trusted by Derek Gough to borrow a couple of C28?s to record a local am-dram musical at home. Recorded in stereo to my Revox via a Vortexion mixer loaned by Mike McCarthy. Nick?s TV camera gave me a view of the stage to my ?control room? set up in my uncle?s caravan parked outside the little theatre. >> What fun in those days! >> Pat >> >> Sent from Mail for Windows 10 >> >> From: Barry Bonner via Tech1 >> Sent: 01 April 2020 15:12 >> To: techtone >> Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Passing time. >> >> Brian Forgham was the sound supervisor. Credited at the end of the full version. HERE >> >> Quite a few of these concerts e.g. ?Tonight in Person? often allowed the performer to play much longer to benefit the audience in the theatre. >> >> I remember Joni Mitchell insisting on playing longer as the ??...audience have come a long way to see me!? Neil Diamond also. >> Barry. >> >> >> >> On 1 Apr 2020, at 14:36, techtone via Tech1 wrote: >> >> >> If it's the one shot in TVT it's crew 2 with Frank on the mole, who I think may just have creeped into shot at one point. >> >> >> Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email. >> >> ??????? Original Message ??????? >> On Tuesday, 31 March 2020 23:04, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: >> >> What?s the link? >> >> Mixer could be Len Shorey or Hugh Barker, perhaps. >> >> Len has passed, and poor Hugh has Alzheimers, >> >> So can?t ask them to confirm. >> >> Pat >> >> >> >> Sent from Mail for Windows 10 >> >> >> >> >> From: Georgie and Steve Rogers via Tech1 >> Sent: 31 March 2020 22:32 >> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> Subject: [Tech1] Passing time. >> >> >> >> Been browsing through you tube found a classic 1965 Joan Baez concert by Stewart Morris from TVT beautifully shot and mixed does anybody know what crew it was and why the credits appear halfway through? So nice to music as it should be shot. >> >> >> >> >> >> Virus-free. www.avast.com >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> >> >> >> Virus-free. www.avast.com >> >> > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Wed Apr 1 14:22:31 2020 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2020 20:22:31 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] C28 extns. In-Reply-To: <570ab9e9-7238-fb33-593c-d1ca717dd0f2@btinternet.com> References: <5e83be77.1c69fb81.9f24a.0674@mx.google.com> <1F923308-04F4-4C40-81F5-F72C99B890C8@btinternet.com> <5e84a54d.1c69fb81.8447.c90e@mx.google.com> <570ab9e9-7238-fb33-593c-d1ca717dd0f2@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <5e84e9f7.1c69fb81.965d0.1622@mx.google.com> Thanks, Dave. Your memory better than mine. I have two short extensions for the 451?s, in my kit, much used on lecterns. Now, wasn?t there a story about the TVT riser mic being brought up under Clodagh Roger?s skirt? I came across the concept of the capsule being separated from the amplifier body when I worked on a UK location for ?On A Clear Day? The American sound crew were supplied by Glen Glenn, and the boom op, (lovely guy*) was using the small capsule in a ball gag, on the pole, with the amp clipped to his belt. (*He wanted to go to M & S one lunch break and bought loads of sweaters and a suitcase to take them home in!) (Attached is another story ? sorry!) Best Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: dave.mdv Sent: 01 April 2020 18:40 To: patheigham; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] C28 extns. The extensions were C29 (short) and C30 (long) if my aged memory serves me correctly, VR1 and VR2 were extensions for the C451. Some vandal straightened a C30 to be able to come up through the riser in the 'Palladium' stage! Cheers, Dave -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: On a Clear Day_docx.pdf Type: application/pdf Size: 8128 bytes Desc: not available URL: From techtone at protonmail.com Wed Apr 1 14:56:09 2020 From: techtone at protonmail.com (techtone) Date: Wed, 01 Apr 2020 19:56:09 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Passing time. In-Reply-To: References: <5e83be77.1c69fb81.9f24a.0674@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Neil Dormand travelled a long way to see the show? He must have got lost on his way to the theatre, perhaps he'd only just joined! I was actually fortunate enough to be in the audience, up in the balcony, absolutely mesmerised. And both Heather and I were in the theatre for the Joni Mitchell 'In Concert' one of the best we've ever been to, and I bought her album 'Blue' just as soon as it came out. I also remember word going around TVC that anyone free should pop into TC4 to see the group there. There was a trio playing just for pleasure, Country Comfort, Burn Down the Mission........yes it was Elton John. I rushed out the next day and bought Tumbleweed Connection. And I was in TC2 when the Beatles were there playing Paperback Writer. What a privilege we had back then being able to wander freely between studios when we had a break to see what was happening, and having a chat with crew members if there was a break in their rehearsals. TeaTeaFN - Tony Sent with [ProtonMail](https://protonmail.com) Secure Email. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From techtone at protonmail.com Wed Apr 1 15:03:00 2020 From: techtone at protonmail.com (techtone) Date: Wed, 01 Apr 2020 20:03:00 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] C28 extns. In-Reply-To: <570ab9e9-7238-fb33-593c-d1ca717dd0f2@btinternet.com> References: <5e83be77.1c69fb81.9f24a.0674@mx.google.com> <1F923308-04F4-4C40-81F5-F72C99B890C8@btinternet.com> <5e84a54d.1c69fb81.8447.c90e@mx.google.com> <570ab9e9-7238-fb33-593c-d1ca717dd0f2@btinternet.com> Message-ID: And I had tickets for the Bob Dylan concert in TVT when he went sick. I was gutted that I was unable to see the remount, and I can't recall its broadcast. I assume it was wiped as there's only a partial audio recording available on Youtube. TeaTeaFN - Tony Sent with [ProtonMail](https://protonmail.com) Secure Email. ??????? Original Message ??????? On Wednesday, 1 April 2020 18:41, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: > The extensions were C29 (short) and C30 (long) if my aged memory serves me correctly, VR1 and VR2 were extensions for the C451. Some vandal straightened a C30 to be able to come up through the riser in the 'Palladium' stage! Cheers, Dave > > On 01/04/2020 15:29, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > >> Thanks, Barry, >> >> Brian was another of the nicest people I ever worked with at TVC. >> >> He obviously reckoned on enough pick-up of the guitar on the single vocal mic. (AKG C28 with the long extension tube ? VR1 or 2 ?). >> >> Speaking of C28?s I was trusted by Derek Gough to borrow a couple of C28?s to record a local am-dram musical at home. Recorded in stereo to my Revox via a Vortexion mixer loaned by Mike McCarthy. Nick?s TV camera gave me a view of the stage to my ?control room? set up in my uncle?s caravan parked outside the little theatre. >> >> What fun in those days! >> >> Pat >> >> Sent from [Mail](https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986) for Windows 10 >> >> From: [Barry Bonner via Tech1](mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk) >> Sent: 01 April 2020 15:12 >> To: [techtone](mailto:techtone at protonmail.com) >> Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Passing time. >> >> Brian Forgham was the sound supervisor. Credited at the end of the full version. [HERE](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kqsdWhT6zL4) >> >> Quite a few of these concerts e.g. ?Tonight in Person? often allowed the performer to play much longer to benefit the audience in the theatre. >> >> I remember Joni Mitchell insisting on playing longer as the ??...audience have come a long way to see me!? Neil Diamond also. >> >> Barry. >> >> On 1 Apr 2020, at 14:36, techtone via Tech1 wrote: >> >>> If it's the one shot in TVT it's crew 2 with Frank on the mole, who I think may just have creeped into shot at one point. >>> >>> Sent with [ProtonMail](https://protonmail.com/) Secure Email. >>> >>> ??????? Original Message ??????? >>> >>> On Tuesday, 31 March 2020 23:04, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: >>> >>>> What?s the link? >>>> >>>> Mixer could be Len Shorey or Hugh Barker, perhaps. >>>> >>>> Len has passed, and poor Hugh has Alzheimers, >>>> >>>> So can?t ask them to confirm. >>>> >>>> Pat >>>> >>>> Sent from [Mail](https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986) for Windows 10 >>>> >>>> From: [Georgie and Steve Rogers via Tech1](mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk) >>>> >>>> Sent: 31 March 2020 22:32 >>>> >>>> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>> >>>> Subject: [Tech1] Passing time. >>>> >>>> Been browsing through you tube found a classic 1965 Joan Baez concert by Stewart Morris from TVT beautifully shot and mixed does anybody know what crew it was and why the credits appear halfway through? So nice to music as it should be shot. >>>> >>>> https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient >>>> >>>> Virus-free. [www.avast.com](https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient) >>> >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> >> https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient >> Virus-free. [www.avast.com](https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient) >> >> #DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Wed Apr 1 15:48:59 2020 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2020 21:48:59 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] C28 extns. In-Reply-To: <5e84e9f7.1c69fb81.965d0.1622@mx.google.com> References: <5e83be77.1c69fb81.9f24a.0674@mx.google.com> <1F923308-04F4-4C40-81F5-F72C99B890C8@btinternet.com> <5e84a54d.1c69fb81.8447.c90e@mx.google.com> <570ab9e9-7238-fb33-593c-d1ca717dd0f2@btinternet.com> <5e84e9f7.1c69fb81.965d0.1622@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <797867a0-8c68-7587-d4b3-2b6dc86e87dc@btinternet.com> I think your memory is working just fine, Pat! Lovely story about Streisand. I don't think I would have survived in the outside world like you, Nick and Dave Denness. Too much BBC in the blood! Cheers, Dave. On 01/04/2020 20:22, patheigham wrote: > > Thanks, Dave. > > Your memory better than mine. I have two short extensions for the > 451?s, in my kit, much used on lecterns. > > Now, wasn?t there a story about the TVT riser mic being brought up > under Clodagh Roger?s skirt? > > I came across the concept of the capsule being separated from the > amplifier body when I worked on a UK location for ?On A Clear Day? > > The American sound crew were supplied by Glen Glenn, and the boom op, > (lovely guy*) was using the small capsule in a ball gag, on the pole, > with the amp clipped to his belt. > > (*He wanted to go to M & S one lunch break and bought loads of > sweaters and a suitcase to take them home in!) > > (Attached is another story ? sorry!) > > Best > > Pat > > Sent from Mail for > Windows 10 > > *From: *dave.mdv > *Sent: *01 April 2020 18:40 > *To: *patheigham ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > > *Subject: *Re: [Tech1] C28 extns. > > The extensions were C29 (short) and C30 (long) if my aged memory > serves me correctly, VR1 and VR2 were extensions for the C451. Some > vandal straightened a C30 to be able to come up through the riser in > the 'Palladium' stage! Cheers, Dave > > > > Virus-free. www.avast.com > > > > <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mibridge at mac.com Wed Apr 1 16:07:46 2020 From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2020 22:07:46 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] C28 extns. In-Reply-To: <797867a0-8c68-7587-d4b3-2b6dc86e87dc@btinternet.com> References: <5e83be77.1c69fb81.9f24a.0674@mx.google.com> <1F923308-04F4-4C40-81F5-F72C99B890C8@btinternet.com> <5e84a54d.1c69fb81.8447.c90e@mx.google.com> <570ab9e9-7238-fb33-593c-d1ca717dd0f2@btinternet.com> <5e84e9f7.1c69fb81.965d0.1622@mx.google.com> <797867a0-8c68-7587-d4b3-2b6dc86e87dc@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <8FE55251-69D0-4EEF-A337-90308D75B26E@mac.com> I didn?t realise BBC was a type of wine, Dave! Mike G > On 1 Apr 2020, at 21:48, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: > > I think your memory is working just fine, Pat! Lovely story about Streisand. I don't think I would have survived in the outside world like you, Nick and Dave Denness. Too much BBC in the blood! Cheers, Dave. > > On 01/04/2020 20:22, patheigham wrote: >> Thanks, Dave. >> Your memory better than mine. I have two short extensions for the 451?s, in my kit, much used on lecterns. >> Now, wasn?t there a story about the TVT riser mic being brought up under Clodagh Roger?s skirt? >> >> I came across the concept of the capsule being separated from the amplifier body when I worked on a UK location for ?On A Clear Day? >> The American sound crew were supplied by Glen Glenn, and the boom op, (lovely guy*) was using the small capsule in a ball gag, on the pole, with the amp clipped to his belt. >> (*He wanted to go to M & S one lunch break and bought loads of sweaters and a suitcase to take them home in!) >> >> (Attached is another story ? sorry!) >> >> Best >> Pat >> >> Sent from Mail for Windows 10 >> >> From: dave.mdv >> Sent: 01 April 2020 18:40 >> To: patheigham ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> Subject: Re: [Tech1] C28 extns. >> >> The extensions were C29 (short) and C30 (long) if my aged memory serves me correctly, VR1 and VR2 were extensions for the C451. Some vandal straightened a C30 to be able to come up through the riser in the 'Palladium' stage! Cheers, Dave >> >> >> >> Virus-free. www.avast.com -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From barrybonner119 at btinternet.com Wed Apr 1 16:20:30 2020 From: barrybonner119 at btinternet.com (Barry Bonner) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2020 22:20:30 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] C28 extns. In-Reply-To: <5e84e9f7.1c69fb81.965d0.1622@mx.google.com> References: <5e83be77.1c69fb81.9f24a.0674@mx.google.com> <1F923308-04F4-4C40-81F5-F72C99B890C8@btinternet.com> <5e84a54d.1c69fb81.8447.c90e@mx.google.com> <570ab9e9-7238-fb33-593c-d1ca717dd0f2@btinternet.com> <5e84e9f7.1c69fb81.965d0.1622@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <14E941BC-1FE7-4C61-AA3E-2DA909F667C7@btinternet.com> Not Clodagh Rodger?s methinks as the riser mic was defunct before her arrival on the scene, I remember Alma Cogan was mentioned in this respect though. Barry. On 1 Apr 2020, at 20:22, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > Thanks, Dave. > Your memory better than mine. I have two short extensions for the 451?s, in my kit, much used on lecterns. > Now, wasn?t there a story about the TVT riser mic being brought up under Clodagh Roger?s skirt? > > I came across the concept of the capsule being separated from the amplifier body when I worked on a UK location for ?On A Clear Day? > The American sound crew were supplied by Glen Glenn, and the boom op, (lovely guy*) was using the small capsule in a ball gag, on the pole, with the amp clipped to his belt. > (*He wanted to go to M & S one lunch break and bought loads of sweaters and a suitcase to take them home in!) > > (Attached is another story ? sorry!) > > Best > Pat > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > From: dave.mdv > Sent: 01 April 2020 18:40 > To: patheigham; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > Subject: Re: [Tech1] C28 extns. > > The extensions were C29 (short) and C30 (long) if my aged memory serves me correctly, VR1 and VR2 were extensions for the C451. Some vandal straightened a C30 to be able to come up through the riser in the 'Palladium' stage! Cheers, Dave > > > > Virus-free. www.avast.com > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave at davesound.co.uk Wed Apr 1 18:13:57 2020 From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman) Date: Thu, 02 Apr 2020 00:13:57 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] C28 extns. In-Reply-To: <14E941BC-1FE7-4C61-AA3E-2DA909F667C7@btinternet.com> References: <5e83be77.1c69fb81.9f24a.0674@mx.google.com> <1F923308-04F4-4C40-81F5-F72C99B890C8@btinternet.com> <5e84a54d.1c69fb81.8447.c90e@mx.google.com> <570ab9e9-7238-fb33-593c-d1ca717dd0f2@btinternet.com> <5e84e9f7.1c69fb81.965d0.1622@mx.google.com> <14E941BC-1FE7-4C61-AA3E-2DA909F667C7@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <585a99fe27dave@davesound.co.uk> I never saw the riser mic in action, but IIRC was before C30 days? Think it was an acoustic tube job? In article <14E941BC-1FE7-4C61-AA3E-2DA909F667C7 at btinternet.com>, Barry Bonner via Tech1 wrote: > Not Clodagh Rodger?s methinks as the riser mic was defunct before her > arrival on the scene, I remember Alma Cogan was mentioned in this > respect though. Barry. -- *Preserve wildlife - Go pickle a squirrel* Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From jpn at imixmics.co.uk Thu Apr 2 02:27:09 2020 From: jpn at imixmics.co.uk (John Nottage) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2020 08:27:09 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] C28 extns. In-Reply-To: <585a99fe27dave@davesound.co.uk> References: <5e83be77.1c69fb81.9f24a.0674@mx.google.com> <1F923308-04F4-4C40-81F5-F72C99B890C8@btinternet.com> <5e84a54d.1c69fb81.8447.c90e@mx.google.com> <570ab9e9-7238-fb33-593c-d1ca717dd0f2@btinternet.com> <5e84e9f7.1c69fb81.965d0.1622@mx.google.com> <14E941BC-1FE7-4C61-AA3E-2DA909F667C7@btinternet.com> <585a99fe27dave@davesound.co.uk> Message-ID: <34c606e7-cee2-9ed6-d66d-76a4fa7246ce@imixmics.co.uk> Palladium Royal Variety Show memories from the 70s: They used to rehearse each act individually & there was never time to manage a full run-through. Production decided they'd rather have pretty girls putting mics out instead of us sound chaps. 3 girls brought out 3 ST200s with cable mics (it was nearly all cabled mics back then). The riser was still risen from the previous act. The centre mic was placed with one foot on the riser trap door. As the riser descended, the little trap door opened & neatly tipped the ST200 over with a crash. Ons singer finished his act with the cable mic & exited the stage on the opposite side to where he had started. I was paying out his cable as fast as I could, but there wasn't enough. I think it got caught under a flat. The result was the cable stretched across the Palladium stage at waist height with the singer brought up short by the wings - twang! Luckily that old pro, Max Bygraves was the compere. Applauding as he went, he headed off across the stage, gathered the mic & returned it across to me, before moving on the the next link. Happy days! John On 02/04/2020 00:13, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: > I never saw the riser mic in action, but IIRC was before C30 days? Think > it was an acoustic tube job? > > In article <14E941BC-1FE7-4C61-AA3E-2DA909F667C7 at btinternet.com>, > Barry Bonner via Tech1 wrote: >> Not Clodagh Rodger?s methinks as the riser mic was defunct before her >> arrival on the scene, I remember Alma Cogan was mentioned in this >> respect though. Barry. > From bernie833 at gmail.com Thu Apr 2 04:29:49 2020 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2020 10:29:49 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Day 16 Message-ID: <64e48f37-4cb3-88ae-ea23-189427112c41@gmail.com> Dear Diary Matthew Parris - who once did some work for me long ago, and whose company I enjoyed - talked yesterday in his column about how his partner invited someone to a Zoom drinks party, and was rejected because the person invited was already invited to a different Zoom drinks party.? The new social situation. Actually, I can beat him, as Roger Bunce invited me to tea a couple of days ago but I was already having Zoom tea with someone else. We had coffee instead, once Roger had worked out a problem with the sound on his Mac. We still don't know what that was. There seems to be a lot of fuss about security on Zoom - journalists don't have much non-corona to panic about at the moment. I checked it out. Apparently people are sending out invites on social media, which requires them to send the link and password - / //Join Zoom Meeting https://zoom.us/j/353675450?pwd=eW44MEtZd1VaY0pGLzRTY2dLT2lHZz09 Meeting ID: 353 675 450 Password: 163282 /?- that one is dead, by the way, they only last the duration of the meeting. So they send the invite to all and sundry, and a hacker joins. On the Zoom chat screen down the right hand side on the little pictures, they post a link. Idiots then click on the link, and that screws your.....something in Windows.? You have work at it a bit. Meanwhile, amongst other meetings, I've both been to and held U3A meetings. They both worked very well. I was a bit worried about whether my Video Production group meeting would work, but I showed a video about the Mandalorian special effects, and demonstrated some bits of DaVinci Resolve. People were pleased, so the next meeting is now the only thing on my calendar, for two weeks time. 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URL: From peter.neill at icloud.com Thu Apr 2 04:53:26 2020 From: peter.neill at icloud.com (Peter Neill) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2020 10:53:26 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] C28 extns. In-Reply-To: References: <5e83be77.1c69fb81.9f24a.0674@mx.google.com> <1F923308-04F4-4C40-81F5-F72C99B890C8@btinternet.com> <5e84a54d.1c69fb81.8447.c90e@mx.google.com> <570ab9e9-7238-fb33-593c-d1ca717dd0f2@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <9F7BDA6E-835C-4F49-885E-F205883CE260@icloud.com> Just checked the archive. The only entries for the two Dylan programmes say Audio CD - Off-air recording by a private collector. Not available for loan. Peter Neill > On 1 Apr 2020, at 21:03, techtone via Tech1 wrote: > > And I had tickets for the Bob Dylan concert in TVT when he went sick. I was gutted that I was unable to see the remount, and I can't recall its broadcast. I assume it was wiped as there's only a partial audio recording available on Youtube. > > TeaTeaFN - Tony > > > Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email. > > ??????? Original Message ??????? > On Wednesday, 1 April 2020 18:41, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: > >> The extensions were C29 (short) and C30 (long) if my aged memory serves me correctly, VR1 and VR2 were extensions for the C451. Some vandal straightened a C30 to be able to come up through the riser in the 'Palladium' stage! Cheers, Dave >> >> On 01/04/2020 15:29, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: >>> Thanks, Barry, >>> >>> Brian was another of the nicest people I ever worked with at TVC. >>> >>> He obviously reckoned on enough pick-up of the guitar on the single vocal mic. (AKG C28 with the long extension tube ? VR1 or 2 ?). >>> >>> >>> >>> Speaking of C28?s I was trusted by Derek Gough to borrow a couple of C28?s to record a local am-dram musical at home. Recorded in stereo to my Revox via a Vortexion mixer loaned by Mike McCarthy. Nick?s TV camera gave me a view of the stage to my ?control room? set up in my uncle?s caravan parked outside the little theatre. >>> >>> What fun in those days! >>> >>> Pat >>> >>> >>> >>> Sent from Mail for Windows 10 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> From: Barry Bonner via Tech1 >>> Sent: 01 April 2020 15:12 >>> To: techtone >>> Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Passing time. >>> >>> >>> >>> Brian Forgham was the sound supervisor. Credited at the end of the full version. HERE >>> >>> >>> Quite a few of these concerts e.g. ?Tonight in Person? often allowed the performer to play much longer to benefit the audience in the theatre. >>> >>> >>> >>> I remember Joni Mitchell insisting on playing longer as the ??...audience have come a long way to see me!? Neil Diamond also. >>> >>> Barry. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On 1 Apr 2020, at 14:36, techtone via Tech1 > wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> If it's the one shot in TVT it's crew 2 with Frank on the mole, who I think may just have creeped into shot at one point. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email. >>> >>> >>> >>> ??????? Original Message ??????? >>> >>> On Tuesday, 31 March 2020 23:04, patheigham via Tech1 > wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> What?s the link? >>> >>> Mixer could be Len Shorey or Hugh Barker, perhaps. >>> >>> Len has passed, and poor Hugh has Alzheimers, >>> >>> So can?t ask them to confirm. >>> >>> Pat >>> >>> >>> >>> Sent from Mail for Windows 10 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> From: Georgie and Steve Rogers via Tech1 >>> Sent: 31 March 2020 22:32 >>> >>> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> Subject: [Tech1] Passing time. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Been browsing through you tube found a classic 1965 Joan Baez concert by Stewart Morris from TVT beautifully shot and mixed does anybody know what crew it was and why the credits appear halfway through? So nice to music as it should be shot. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Virus-free. www.avast.com >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Virus-free. www.avast.com >>> > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Thu Apr 2 06:37:56 2020 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2020 12:37:56 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] C28 extns et al. In-Reply-To: <34c606e7-cee2-9ed6-d66d-76a4fa7246ce@imixmics.co.uk> References: <5e83be77.1c69fb81.9f24a.0674@mx.google.com> <1F923308-04F4-4C40-81F5-F72C99B890C8@btinternet.com> <5e84a54d.1c69fb81.8447.c90e@mx.google.com> <570ab9e9-7238-fb33-593c-d1ca717dd0f2@btinternet.com> <5e84e9f7.1c69fb81.965d0.1622@mx.google.com> <14E941BC-1FE7-4C61-AA3E-2DA909F667C7@btinternet.com> <585a99fe27dave@davesound.co.uk> <34c606e7-cee2-9ed6-d66d-76a4fa7246ce@imixmics.co.uk> Message-ID: <5e85ce94.1c69fb81.2de16.cd7b@mx.google.com> John?s story of rescuing mics reminds me of this: As a Gram Op in the '60's I sometimes had a short day, if prepping. Discovered that TVT had the Woody Herman Herd in for Jazz 625. Len Shorey mixing. I phoned the sound gallery and asked if I could come and hover. After the final rehearsal, on which Len always ran a tape, the brass section asked if they could have a listen. (I was lurking in the gallery). After a run of a couple of numbers, there was a deathly silence. I could see that Len was a bit disturbed. Then the lead trumpet said, quietly: "That's how we sound. Why can't we get that in the recording studio?" I think they were about to offer Len molto $$$$ to come and be their engineer. Later, at the recording I was in the wings of TVT, happily watching the show, when Woody was introducing the soloists of the band on a hand mic. during a particular number. I knew the number and realised that he had his own clarinet solo coming up. I could see that he was looking around for a sound assistant to take the mic off him. No-one. I took a quick look at the transmission monitor, luckily showing a CU of a player, I shot across the stage, rescued the mic and disappeared off-prompt side. No one noticed!! Told Len later! And I wasn't even working on that show! Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: John Nottage via Tech1 Sent: 02 April 2020 08:27 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] C28 extns. Palladium Royal Variety Show memories from the 70s: One singer finished his act with the cable mic & exited the stage on the opposite side to where he had started. I was paying out his cable as fast as I could, but there wasn't enough. I think it got caught under a flat. The result was the cable stretched across the Palladium stage at waist height with the singer brought up short by the wings - twang! Luckily that old pro, Max Bygraves was the compere. Applauding as he went, he headed off across the stage, gathered the mic & returned it across to me, before moving on the the next link. Happy days! John -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Actually, I can beat him, as Roger Bunce invited me to tea a couple of days ago but I was already having Zoom tea with someone else. We had coffee instead, once Roger had worked out a problem with the sound on his Mac. We still don't know what that was. > > There seems to be a lot of fuss about security on Zoom - journalists don't have much non-corona to panic about at the moment. I checked it out. Apparently people are sending out invites on social media, which requires them to send the link and password - > > Join Zoom Meeting > https://zoom.us/j/353675450?pwd=eW44MEtZd1VaY0pGLzRTY2dLT2lHZz09 > Meeting ID: 353 675 450 > Password: 163282 > > - that one is dead, by the way, they only last the duration of the meeting. So they send the invite to all and sundry, and a hacker joins. On the Zoom chat screen down the right hand side on the little pictures, they post a link. Idiots then click on the link, and that screws your.....something in Windows. You have work at it a bit. > > Meanwhile, amongst other meetings, I've both been to and held U3A meetings. They both worked very well. I was a bit worried about whether my Video Production group meeting would work, but I showed a video about the Mandalorian special effects, and demonstrated some bits of DaVinci Resolve. People were pleased, so the next meeting is now the only thing on my calendar, for two weeks time. > > Popping back to Matthew Parris, he quotes without comment in his column, some statistics . > > B > > > > > > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Apparently people are sending out invites on social media, which > requires them to send the link and password - There is certainly a problem. Think of support groups, like say for addicts in recovery. AA, NA, etc. These can be a lifeline for many - peer support. And normally held in rooms, like a church hall, or whatever. Traditionally, they are open to anyone who needs their help. All they have to do is turn up and listen. Or take part if they want to, by sharing their thoughts, etc. If you do that with a Zoom meeting, riff-raff (usually Trump supporters from the US ;-() disrupt the meeting to the point where it has to be abandoned. Of course you can hold a closed meeting with the password etc sent to those who you want there. But that doesn't help with genuine visitors - and in isolation, many want more meetings per week than they would physically attend in better times. Of course it could be down to the host not understanding how to drive the system too. But these hackers seem to get round his mute facility. Any thoughts welcome. ;-) -- *The modem is the message * Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From pat.heigham at amps.net Thu Apr 2 08:50:20 2020 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2020 14:50:20 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Day 16 In-Reply-To: <19B9E472-FB2A-4E1D-A947-CFB2F431AE56@mac.com> References: <64e48f37-4cb3-88ae-ea23-189427112c41@gmail.com> <19B9E472-FB2A-4E1D-A947-CFB2F431AE56@mac.com> Message-ID: <5e85ed9c.1c69fb81.3c896.de49@mx.google.com> To be really cynical ? if no-one came to your funeral, would you know? Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Mike Giles via Tech1 Sent: 02 April 2020 13:49 To: Bernard Newnham Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Day 16 But it?s perhaps not a good time to die, of whatever cause, because nobody can come to your funeral at the moment and that would be most disappointing.? 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The 'dbABCD' iphone App. behaved in much the same way. Oh the glorious silence! John H. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mibridge at mac.com Thu Apr 2 10:52:06 2020 From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2020 16:52:06 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Day 16 In-Reply-To: <5e85ed9c.1c69fb81.3c896.de49@mx.google.com> References: <64e48f37-4cb3-88ae-ea23-189427112c41@gmail.com> <19B9E472-FB2A-4E1D-A947-CFB2F431AE56@mac.com> <5e85ed9c.1c69fb81.3c896.de49@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <482C8279-D0F4-433C-A099-91221E0FE429@mac.com> I was perhaps being slightly non-PC and now I?ve bitten my tongue through keeping it in my cheek! Mike G > On 2 Apr 2020, at 14:50, patheigham wrote: > > To be really cynical ? if no-one came to your funeral, would you know? > Pat > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > From: Mike Giles via Tech1 > Sent: 02 April 2020 13:49 > To: Bernard Newnham > Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > Subject: Re: [Tech1] Day 16 > > But it?s perhaps not a good time to die, of whatever cause, because nobody can come to your funeral at the moment and that would be most disappointing. > > Mike G > > > > > Virus-free. www.avast.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bernie833 at gmail.com Thu Apr 2 10:59:00 2020 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2020 16:59:00 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Day 16 In-Reply-To: <585ae822b7dave@davesound.co.uk> References: <64e48f37-4cb3-88ae-ea23-189427112c41@gmail.com> <585ae822b7dave@davesound.co.uk> Message-ID: <8156a2cb-10cb-578c-37c5-9b36bafc36c6@ntlworld.com> That isn't without precedent - there are always stories of teenagers waiting till their parents are away the advertising a party on social media of some kind. The parents come home to a trashed house.?? I can't think of a way you'd do it without proper individual invites. B On 02/04/2020 14:27, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: > In article <64e48f37-4cb3-88ae-ea23-189427112c41 at gmail.com>, > Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: >> There seems to be a lot of fuss about security on Zoom - journalists >> don't have much non-corona to panic about at the moment. I checked it >> out. Apparently people are sending out invites on social media, which >> requires them to send the link and password - > There is certainly a problem. > > Think of support groups, like say for addicts in recovery. AA, NA, etc. > These can be a lifeline for many - peer support. And normally held in > rooms, like a church hall, or whatever. > > Traditionally, they are open to anyone who needs their help. All they have > to do is turn up and listen. Or take part if they want to, by sharing > their thoughts, etc. > > If you do that with a Zoom meeting, riff-raff (usually Trump supporters > from the US ;-() disrupt the meeting to the point where it has to be > abandoned. > > Of course you can hold a closed meeting with the password etc sent to > those who you want there. But that doesn't help with genuine visitors - > and in isolation, many want more meetings per week than they would > physically attend in better times. > > Of course it could be down to the host not understanding how to drive the > system too. But these hackers seem to get round his mute facility. > > Any thoughts welcome. ;-) > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From relong at btinternet.com Thu Apr 2 11:15:54 2020 From: relong at btinternet.com (Roger E Long) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2020 17:15:54 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] The Sound of Silence In-Reply-To: <3e96b391-85bf-0258-9f9b-d18ff6cfe979@howell61.f9.co.uk> References: <3e96b391-85bf-0258-9f9b-d18ff6cfe979@howell61.f9.co.uk> Message-ID: <7E8492BC-F663-4165-9D2E-3EDAE6818497@btinternet.com> I went for a walk in a local Cotswold Beech Wood at Tunley near Daneway. I have never heard it so quiet, not one plane or motor car. It was a delight, the creaking of the mighty beech and the chatter of spring birdsong, the rattle of woodpeckers, buzzards circling. I dusted off my Sennheiser MKH 20/30 stereo pair and Sound Devices 702 and will venture to record some of these atmospheres before the 21Cent cacophony resumes. Roger > On 2 Apr 2020, at 16:38, John Howell via Tech1 wrote: > > Having been wakened by the call of nature at 4am > > I paused by the bedroom window and opened it. > > Normally there is a dull rumble of traffic from the M40/25 (j16 six miles the west. But on this occasion nothing. All I could hear was the background noise of my ears. > > I dug out my old Dawe Sound Level Meter. Thankfully the battery was OK. After letting the circuit settle for a few minutes I returned to the 1st floor window and got a reading of -26dbA. Replacing the microphone with a 5000 Ohm resistor the meter 'noise' was -24 dbA). The 'dbABCD' iphone App. behaved in much the same way. > > Oh the glorious silence! > > John H. > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com Thu Apr 2 11:22:25 2020 From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2020 17:22:25 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] David Lawson's database is now working Message-ID: <9027c467-c907-cfb4-18c0-f209c2d8062a@gmail.com> Hi all, David Lawson's? database which provides a lot of? data for most camera mountings available around about year 2000 is now working from Topics 2. The main index page is perhaps not as functional as the original - there was some JavaScript functionality for example -so it is considerably simpler.? You have to click the links or buttons as usual, and there is no functionality when the cursor moves over the front page topics. Sorry for the loss of functions, but now it all "works"? from Tech Ops. -- Best Regards Alec Alec Bray alec.bray.2 at gmail.com mob: 07789 561 346 home: 0118 981 7502 From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Thu Apr 2 14:15:52 2020 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2020 20:15:52 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Clap! Message-ID: <26a3e31e-cafa-22eb-28d2-ff3bac2865c2@btinternet.com> No, not that one! I have just been outside and clapped for the 'carers' and I was surprised by how many people turned out to do it in this very reserved Surrey area where you rarely see or speak to anyone! I felt quite emotional, but there again, I am of that certain age when the bladder moves closer to the tear ducts! Cheers, boo-hoo, Dave From techtone at protonmail.com Thu Apr 2 14:23:37 2020 From: techtone at protonmail.com (techtone) Date: Thu, 02 Apr 2020 19:23:37 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Clap! In-Reply-To: <26a3e31e-cafa-22eb-28d2-ff3bac2865c2@btinternet.com> References: <26a3e31e-cafa-22eb-28d2-ff3bac2865c2@btinternet.com> Message-ID: Here we are halfway up a hill (mountain!) in North Wales, and could hear distant clapping as we added our tuppence worth. Oh, my aching hands and arms. TeaTeaFN - Tony Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email. ??????? Original Message ??????? On Thursday, 2 April 2020 20:15, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: > No, not that one! I have just been outside and clapped for the 'carers' > and I was surprised by how many people turned out to do it in this very > reserved Surrey area where you rarely see or speak to anyone! I felt > quite emotional, but there again, I am of that certain age when the > bladder moves closer to the tear ducts! Cheers, boo-hoo, Dave > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From mibridge at mac.com Thu Apr 2 15:00:03 2020 From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2020 21:00:03 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Clap! In-Reply-To: References: <26a3e31e-cafa-22eb-28d2-ff3bac2865c2@btinternet.com> Message-ID: Not a sound in Westhumble! I clapped loudly outside back and front doors with no response, so we did it via FaceTime with our daughter! Mike G > On 2 Apr 2020, at 20:23, techtone via Tech1 wrote: > > Here we are halfway up a hill (mountain!) in North Wales, and could hear distant clapping as we added our tuppence worth. Oh, my aching hands and arms. > > TeaTeaFN - Tony > > > Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email. > > ??????? Original Message ??????? > On Thursday, 2 April 2020 20:15, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: > >> No, not that one! I have just been outside and clapped for the 'carers' >> and I was surprised by how many people turned out to do it in this very >> reserved Surrey area where you rarely see or speak to anyone! I felt >> quite emotional, but there again, I am of that certain age when the >> bladder moves closer to the tear ducts! Cheers, boo-hoo, Dave >> >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From davidslawson at btinternet.com Thu Apr 2 15:52:42 2020 From: davidslawson at btinternet.com (David Lawson) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2020 21:52:42 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] David Lawson's database is now working In-Reply-To: <9027c467-c907-cfb4-18c0-f209c2d8062a@gmail.com> References: <9027c467-c907-cfb4-18c0-f209c2d8062a@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Alec i?m delighted to hear something I achieved in the past is seen as of interest today if not also useful. I had a look at my files and decided it was of only historic interest being some 25 years old. I did include everything from the past just to keep it archived. It all started during my attachment to Wood Norton where I found many inconsistencies in the various handouts used showing unreliable data, so I decided to put together a definitive data base of as much as possible of the mounting in use at the time and the obsolete ones I remembered. Most based on manufacterer's published data. I couldn?t stop there and went further into history as far as possible. The latest mountings and heads should also be included, There appears to be quite a few since my time. There may be interest in including film heads and mountings as there is much less of a distinction todays there was then, but I will leave others to decide on that. Dave Lawson > On 2 Apr 2020, at 17:22, Alec Bray wrote: > > Hi all, > > David Lawson's database which provides a lot of data for most camera mountings available around about year 2000 is now working from Topics 2. > > The main index page is perhaps not as functional as the original - there was some JavaScript functionality for example -so it is considerably simpler. You have to click the links or buttons as usual, and there is no functionality when the cursor moves over the front page topics. > > Sorry for the loss of functions, but now it all "works" from Tech Ops. > > -- > Best Regards > > Alec > > Alec Bray > > alec.bray.2 at gmail.com > mob: 07789 561 346 > home: 0118 981 7502 > > From j at howell61.f9.co.uk Thu Apr 2 17:45:50 2020 From: j at howell61.f9.co.uk (John Howell) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2020 23:45:50 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Clap! In-Reply-To: References: <26a3e31e-cafa-22eb-28d2-ff3bac2865c2@btinternet.com> Message-ID: Good turnout in the less reserved end of Pinner last time, nowt this evening. Hearing the cheers last time I had looped a bit of Olympics cheering & applause and belted it out of a 1st floor window. Not a thing this time! John H. On 02/04/2020 21:00, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: > Not a sound in Westhumble! I clapped loudly outside back and front doors with no response, so we did it via FaceTime with our daughter! > > Mike G > > >> On 2 Apr 2020, at 20:23, techtone via Tech1 wrote: >> >> Here we are halfway up a hill (mountain!) in North Wales, and could hear distant clapping as we added our tuppence worth. Oh, my aching hands and arms. >> >> TeaTeaFN - Tony >> >> >> Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email. >> >> ??????? Original Message ??????? >> On Thursday, 2 April 2020 20:15, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: >> >>> No, not that one! I have just been outside and clapped for the 'carers' >>> and I was surprised by how many people turned out to do it in this very >>> reserved Surrey area where you rarely see or speak to anyone! I felt >>> quite emotional, but there again, I am of that certain age when the >>> bladder moves closer to the tear ducts! 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URL: From dave at davesound.co.uk Thu Apr 2 18:37:25 2020 From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman) Date: Fri, 03 Apr 2020 00:37:25 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] The Sound of Silence In-Reply-To: <3e96b391-85bf-0258-9f9b-d18ff6cfe979@howell61.f9.co.uk> References: <3e96b391-85bf-0258-9f9b-d18ff6cfe979@howell61.f9.co.uk> Message-ID: <585b1ffabbdave@davesound.co.uk> I'd guess it's even more of a contrast in this part of S london. Planes approaching Heathrow about every 30 seconds. Brighton line within audible distance. And then there's the heliport. All now silent. Other thing is the lack of emergency sirens late evening etc. Dunno if it's simply a lack of drunks at chucking out time - or the very quiet roads don't need them. In article <3e96b391-85bf-0258-9f9b-d18ff6cfe979 at howell61.f9.co.uk>, John Howell via Tech1 wrote: > Having been wakened by the call of nature at 4am > I paused by the bedroom window and opened it. > Normally there is a dull rumble of traffic from the M40/25 (j16 six > miles the west. But on this occasion /nothing/. All I could hear was the > background noise of my ears. > I dug out my old Dawe Sound Level Meter. Thankfully the battery was OK. > After letting the circuit settle for a few minutes I returned to the 1st > floor window and got a reading of -26dbA. Replacing the microphone with > a 5000 Ohm resistor the meter 'noise' was -24 dbA). The 'dbABCD' iphone > App. behaved in much the same way. > Oh the glorious silence! > John H. -- *Preserve wildlife - Go pickle a squirrel* Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From jpn at imixmics.co.uk Fri Apr 3 02:17:06 2020 From: jpn at imixmics.co.uk (John Nottage) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2020 08:17:06 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] TV Guide In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <85b6999f-a319-f8f3-7ccb-fa76cabbc64d@imixmics.co.uk> After going back & forth to Panasonic about my failing TV Guide, at last I have the answer. They finally suggested I send my TV off to the nearest repair shop - Peterborough! I gave them a call where a very nice & efficient lady told me that Panasonic had stopped supporting my TV as it was 9 years old & had insufficient memory for the latest update. So nothing wrong with the set, just Panasonic couldn't be bothered to make the guide work any more, nor dare they admit as such to me directly! I sent off a final email to Panasonic, finishing with: "However, if Panasonic had any morals, they would find a way to keep the guide going rather than trying to force customers to throw away perfectly good TVs just so they can sell new ones. That is not the way to save the planet from disappearing under a mountain of plastic. I will publicise this wherever I can so that people know that Panasonic don't care a jot for the planet, just their own profits." Won't do any good of course, but it made me feel slightly better. I'll keep using the TV until it fails. My main concern now is will my Panasonic video lose it's guide in 2 years time when it is also 9 years old? Very difficult to go back to the way we use to programme the old VHS machines with no guide to lock onto series & time changes. Oh well.... John On 21/03/2020 10:21, John Nottage via Tech1 wrote: > Thank you for all the thoughts. Done a Factory Reset now - no change. We > have the Radio Times, but that's out of date as soon as it's printed. > I'm now going to try asking Panasonic... > > John > > > On 21/03/2020 09:44, Albert Barber wrote: >> If your FreeviewDigital TV Recorder is failing to record scheduled >> programmes you may need to perform a First Time Installation/Factory >> Reset on the unit. first unplug from mains then start to reset. >> Best wishes and good luck >> >>> On 21 Mar 2020, at 09:28, Mike Jordan via Tech1 >>> wrote: >>> >>> Maybe it is cos channels are continuously changing programmes because >>> of Corona specials. >>> I would guess it is different software in the tele and perhaps it >>> can't catch up quickly so just gives up? >>> >>> Mike >>> >>> -----Original Message----- From: John Nottage via Tech1 >>> Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2020 8:29 AM >>> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> Subject: [Tech1] TV Guide >>> >>> My old Panasonic TV (TX-L32E30B, bought 2011) has suddenly stopped >>> showing programmes on the guide, but only from Wednesday onwards! It >>> works fine up to Tuesday. Wed onwards is just blank. It's turned off at >>> the mains every night. My slightly newer (2013) Panasonic HDD Recorder's >>> guide is fine. >>> >>> Can't find anything related on the internet. Anybody any ideas please? >>> >>> John >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> > > From alanaudio at me.com Fri Apr 3 03:01:50 2020 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2020 09:01:50 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] TV Guide In-Reply-To: <85b6999f-a319-f8f3-7ccb-fa76cabbc64d@imixmics.co.uk> References: <85b6999f-a319-f8f3-7ccb-fa76cabbc64d@imixmics.co.uk> Message-ID: <3D7247B9-02BA-4851-9143-8D21BF6E7B61@me.com> I?m having a related problem with Marantz. When I first tried internet radio, I rapidly discovered the German radio station MDR Thuringen, which is the local radio station which my wife?s family tend to listen to. She really loved hearing what was happening in her home town and the music they played was essentially British pop music from the 60s onwards, so that was fine with me. I decided to make listening easier and just over a year ago I bought a Marantz mini HiFi for the bedroom. We could use it?s sleep timer to play music at night and the alarm to play either the German or English news when we wake up - you can set it to play German internet radio while going to sleep and English FM/DAB radio to wake up. The major problem with it has been that it?s WiFi system is unreliable. It?s hard to make it connect and it sometimes loses its connection and always after a power cut. Reconnecting is sometimes impossible, even though there are supposed to be multiple ways to do it. All other devices work reliably on my WiFi ? IOS, Android, smart TV, Macs, PCs etc. The retailer and an online support group both recommended performing a factory reset. Doing a factory reset every few weeks became a regular feature of using this device. Without WiFi, you can?t even set the clock, there is no way to set it manually. I?ve now abandoned using their flaky WiFi and installed a TP Link Ethernet connection over the mains cable. Last time I did a reset, the internet radio stopped working. It transpired that Marantz used a third party service called Vtuner and the only way to access internet radio anymore is to pay an annual subscription to Vtuner. If I had not needed to do a reset, it would have continued to receive any stored stations. There was no warning that this would change, Marantz insists that their software is only guaranteed for 12 months. My complaint is essentially that I bought an internet radio from them and it?s no longer an internet radio. I?m astonished that in these days where software totally defines a product that they can wash their hands of any responsibility for software issues after just 12 months. The latest suggestion from Marantz is that I can connect an external device into the unit and pick up internet radio that way, which entirely defeats why for the first time in my life I bought an all in one unit rather than HiFi separates. This was marketed as an all in one device which was supposed to do everything and a year later it doesn?t. Alan Taylor > On 3 Apr 2020, at 08:17, John Nottage via Tech1 wrote: > > ?After going back & forth to Panasonic about my failing TV Guide, at last I have the answer. They finally suggested I send my TV off to the nearest repair shop - Peterborough! I gave them a call where a very nice & efficient lady told me that Panasonic had stopped supporting my TV as it was 9 years old & had insufficient memory for the latest update. So nothing wrong with the set, just Panasonic couldn't be bothered to make the guide work any more, nor dare they admit as such to me directly! > > I sent off a final email to Panasonic, finishing with: > > "However, if Panasonic had any morals, they would find a way to keep the guide going rather than trying to force customers to throw away perfectly good TVs just so they can sell new ones. That is not the way to save the planet from disappearing under a mountain of plastic. > > I will publicise this wherever I can so that people know that Panasonic don't care a jot for the planet, just their own profits." > > Won't do any good of course, but it made me feel slightly better. I'll keep using the TV until it fails. My main concern now is will my Panasonic video lose it's guide in 2 years time when it is also 9 years old? Very difficult to go back to the way we use to programme the old VHS machines with no guide to lock onto series & time changes. Oh well.... > > John > > >> On 21/03/2020 10:21, John Nottage via Tech1 wrote: >> Thank you for all the thoughts. Done a Factory Reset now - no change. We have the Radio Times, but that's out of date as soon as it's printed. I'm now going to try asking Panasonic... >> John >>> On 21/03/2020 09:44, Albert Barber wrote: >>> If your FreeviewDigital TV Recorder is failing to record scheduled programmes you may need to perform a First Time Installation/Factory Reset on the unit. first unplug from mains then start to reset. >>> Best wishes and good luck >>> >>>> On 21 Mar 2020, at 09:28, Mike Jordan via Tech1 wrote: >>>> >>>> Maybe it is cos channels are continuously changing programmes because of Corona specials. >>>> I would guess it is different software in the tele and perhaps it can't catch up quickly so just gives up? >>>> >>>> Mike >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- From: John Nottage via Tech1 >>>> Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2020 8:29 AM >>>> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>> Subject: [Tech1] TV Guide >>>> >>>> My old Panasonic TV (TX-L32E30B, bought 2011) has suddenly stopped >>>> showing programmes on the guide, but only from Wednesday onwards! It >>>> works fine up to Tuesday. Wed onwards is just blank. It's turned off at >>>> the mains every night. My slightly newer (2013) Panasonic HDD Recorder's >>>> guide is fine. >>>> >>>> Can't find anything related on the internet. Anybody any ideas please? >>>> >>>> John >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>> > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From paul at pgtmedia.co.uk Fri Apr 3 04:59:31 2020 From: paul at pgtmedia.co.uk (Paul Thackray) Date: Fri, 03 Apr 2020 10:59:31 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] TV Guide In-Reply-To: <85b6999f-a319-f8f3-7ccb-fa76cabbc64d@imixmics.co.uk> Message-ID: I think it's a hardware design issue , so not easy to fix. To make tv s cheeper , Panasonic used small memory chips as they did not expect the schedules to require more than a certain amount of data storage. Freeview have made changes to increase the number of channels and make better use of what remains as 5G eats away at available tv channels. This includes the use of SFN (single frequency networks) which require a lot of data storage to make the guide work. This was always in the Freeview spec , but I suspect Panasonic assumed the UK would never use it, so never alowed for it in the design and have got caught out. Paul Thackray PGT Media Consulting Ltd. 07802 243979 Mail;?paul at pgtmedia.co.uk Web;?http://www.pgtmedia.co.uk Linkedin;???http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/paul-thackray/19/379/746 IMDB;?http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1488554/ sent from my BlackBerry?the most secure mobile device?via the O2 Network ? Original Message ? From: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Sent: 3 April 2020 08:17 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Reply to: jpn at imixmics.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] TV Guide After going back & forth to Panasonic about my failing TV Guide, at last I have the answer. They finally suggested I send my TV off to the nearest repair shop - Peterborough! I gave them a call where a very nice & efficient lady told me that Panasonic had stopped supporting my TV as it was 9 years old & had insufficient memory for the latest update. So nothing wrong with the set, just Panasonic couldn't be bothered to make the guide work any more, nor dare they admit as such to me directly! I sent off a final email to Panasonic, finishing with: "However, if Panasonic had any morals, they would find a way to keep the guide going rather than trying to force customers to throw away perfectly good TVs just so they can sell new ones. That is not the way to save the planet from disappearing under a mountain of plastic. I will publicise this wherever I can so that people know that Panasonic don't care a jot for the planet, just their own profits." Won't do any good of course, but it made me feel slightly better. I'll keep using the TV until it fails. My main concern now is will my Panasonic video lose it's guide in 2 years time when it is also 9 years old? Very difficult to go back to the way we use to programme the old VHS machines with no guide to lock onto series & time changes. Oh well.... John On 21/03/2020 10:21, John Nottage via Tech1 wrote: > Thank you for all the thoughts. Done a Factory Reset now - no change. We > have the Radio Times, but that's out of date as soon as it's printed. > I'm now going to try asking Panasonic... > > John > > > On 21/03/2020 09:44, Albert Barber wrote: >> If your FreeviewDigital TV Recorder is failing to record scheduled >> programmes you may need to perform a First Time Installation/Factory >> Reset on the unit. first unplug from mains then start to reset. >> Best wishes and good luck >> >>> On 21 Mar 2020, at 09:28, Mike Jordan via Tech1 >>> wrote: >>> >>> Maybe it is cos channels are continuously changing programmes because >>> of Corona specials. >>> I would guess it is different software in the tele and perhaps it >>> can't catch up quickly so just gives up? >>> >>> Mike >>> >>> -----Original Message----- From: John Nottage via Tech1 >>> Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2020 8:29 AM >>> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> Subject: [Tech1] TV Guide >>> >>> My old Panasonic TV (TX-L32E30B, bought 2011) has suddenly stopped >>> showing programmes on the guide, but only from Wednesday onwards! It >>> works fine up to Tuesday. Wed onwards is just blank. It's turned off at >>> the mains every night. My slightly newer (2013) Panasonic HDD Recorder's >>> guide is fine. >>> >>> Can't find anything related on the internet. Anybody any ideas please? >>> >>> John >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> > > -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From alanaudio at me.com Fri Apr 3 05:25:01 2020 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2020 11:25:01 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] TV Guide In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I did wonder whether it might be a trading standards issue. I feel that a ?500 product should do what it was advertised to do for rather longer than a year. Alan Taylor > On 3 Apr 2020, at 09:58, Keith Wicks wrote: > > ? > Perhaps your local Trading Standards people might be interested. Mine were very helpful when I contacted them with a problem. They even offered to prosecute the company I was complaining about, although I decided not to go ahead with that. > KW > >> On Fri, 3 Apr 2020 at 09:02, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: >> I?m having a related problem with Marantz. >> >> When I first tried internet radio, I rapidly discovered the German radio station MDR Thuringen, which is the local radio station which my wife?s family tend to listen to. She really loved hearing what was happening in her home town and the music they played was essentially British pop music from the 60s onwards, so that was fine with me. >> >> I decided to make listening easier and just over a year ago I bought a Marantz mini HiFi for the bedroom. We could use it?s sleep timer to play music at night and the alarm to play either the German or English news when we wake up - you can set it to play German internet radio while going to sleep and English FM/DAB radio to wake up. >> >> The major problem with it has been that it?s WiFi system is unreliable. It?s hard to make it connect and it sometimes loses its connection and always after a power cut. Reconnecting is sometimes impossible, even though there are supposed to be multiple ways to do it. All other devices work reliably on my WiFi ? IOS, Android, smart TV, Macs, PCs etc. The retailer and an online support group both recommended performing a factory reset. Doing a factory reset every few weeks became a regular feature of using this device. >> >> Without WiFi, you can?t even set the clock, there is no way to set it manually. I?ve now abandoned using their flaky WiFi and installed a TP Link Ethernet connection over the mains cable. >> >> Last time I did a reset, the internet radio stopped working. It transpired that Marantz used a third party service called Vtuner and the only way to access internet radio anymore is to pay an annual subscription to Vtuner. If I had not needed to do a reset, it would have continued to receive any stored stations. >> >> There was no warning that this would change, Marantz insists that their software is only guaranteed for 12 months. My complaint is essentially that I bought an internet radio from them and it?s no longer an internet radio. I?m astonished that in these days where software totally defines a product that they can wash their hands of any responsibility for software issues after just 12 months. >> >> The latest suggestion from Marantz is that I can connect an external device into the unit and pick up internet radio that way, which entirely defeats why for the first time in my life I bought an all in one unit rather than HiFi separates. This was marketed as an all in one device which was supposed to do everything and a year later it doesn?t. >> >> Alan Taylor >> >> >> > On 3 Apr 2020, at 08:17, John Nottage via Tech1 wrote: >> > >> > ?After going back & forth to Panasonic about my failing TV Guide, at last I have the answer. They finally suggested I send my TV off to the nearest repair shop - Peterborough! I gave them a call where a very nice & efficient lady told me that Panasonic had stopped supporting my TV as it was 9 years old & had insufficient memory for the latest update. So nothing wrong with the set, just Panasonic couldn't be bothered to make the guide work any more, nor dare they admit as such to me directly! >> > >> > I sent off a final email to Panasonic, finishing with: >> > >> > "However, if Panasonic had any morals, they would find a way to keep the guide going rather than trying to force customers to throw away perfectly good TVs just so they can sell new ones. That is not the way to save the planet from disappearing under a mountain of plastic. >> > >> > I will publicise this wherever I can so that people know that Panasonic don't care a jot for the planet, just their own profits." >> > >> > Won't do any good of course, but it made me feel slightly better. I'll keep using the TV until it fails. My main concern now is will my Panasonic video lose it's guide in 2 years time when it is also 9 years old? Very difficult to go back to the way we use to programme the old VHS machines with no guide to lock onto series & time changes. Oh well.... >> > >> > John >> > >> > >> >> On 21/03/2020 10:21, John Nottage via Tech1 wrote: >> >> Thank you for all the thoughts. Done a Factory Reset now - no change. We have the Radio Times, but that's out of date as soon as it's printed. I'm now going to try asking Panasonic... >> >> John >> >>> On 21/03/2020 09:44, Albert Barber wrote: >> >>> If your FreeviewDigital TV Recorder is failing to record scheduled programmes you may need to perform a First Time Installation/Factory Reset on the unit. first unplug from mains then start to reset. >> >>> Best wishes and good luck >> >>> >> >>>> On 21 Mar 2020, at 09:28, Mike Jordan via Tech1 wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>> Maybe it is cos channels are continuously changing programmes because of Corona specials. >> >>>> I would guess it is different software in the tele and perhaps it can't catch up quickly so just gives up? >> >>>> >> >>>> Mike >> >>>> >> >>>> -----Original Message----- From: John Nottage via Tech1 >> >>>> Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2020 8:29 AM >> >>>> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> >>>> Subject: [Tech1] TV Guide >> >>>> >> >>>> My old Panasonic TV (TX-L32E30B, bought 2011) has suddenly stopped >> >>>> showing programmes on the guide, but only from Wednesday onwards! It >> >>>> works fine up to Tuesday. Wed onwards is just blank. It's turned off at >> >>>> the mains every night. My slightly newer (2013) Panasonic HDD Recorder's >> >>>> guide is fine. >> >>>> >> >>>> Can't find anything related on the internet. Anybody any ideas please? >> >>>> >> >>>> John >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> -- >> >>>> Tech1 mailing list >> >>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> >>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> >>> >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Tech1 mailing list >> > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Paul Thackray PGT Media Consulting Ltd. 07802 243979 Mail;?paul at pgtmedia.co.uk Web;?http://www.pgtmedia.co.uk Linkedin;???http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/paul-thackray/19/379/746 IMDB;?http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1488554/ sent from my BlackBerry?the most secure mobile device?via the O2 Network ? Original Message ? From: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Sent: 3 April 2020 14:02 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Reply to: waresound at msn.com Subject: [Tech1] BH Concert Hall organ Does anyone here know if the BH Concert Hall is still there, and whether the Compton organ is still functioning? Cheers, Nick. Sent from my iPad mini 5 -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From keithwicksuk at gmail.com Fri Apr 3 08:50:27 2020 From: keithwicksuk at gmail.com (Keith Wicks) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2020 14:50:27 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] TV Guide In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Yes. I recently read an article about consumer's rights which said that, although it might be guaranteed for only a year, an item costing several hundred pounds should reasonable be expected to last much longer than that. I suppose that's why guarantees usually have to tell us that ordinary consumers' rights are not affected by the guarantee. KW On Fri, 3 Apr 2020 at 11:25, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: > I did wonder whether it might be a trading standards issue. I feel that a > ?500 product should do what it was advertised to do for rather longer than > a year. > > Alan Taylor > > On 3 Apr 2020, at 09:58, Keith Wicks wrote: > > Perhaps your local Trading Standards people might be interested. Mine were > very helpful when I contacted them with a problem. They even offered to > prosecute the company I was complaining about, although I decided not to go > ahead with that. > KW > > On Fri, 3 Apr 2020 at 09:02, Alan Taylor via Tech1 > wrote: > >> I?m having a related problem with Marantz. >> >> When I first tried internet radio, I rapidly discovered the German radio >> station MDR Thuringen, which is the local radio station which my wife?s >> family tend to listen to. She really loved hearing what was happening in >> her home town and the music they played was essentially British pop music >> from the 60s onwards, so that was fine with me. >> >> I decided to make listening easier and just over a year ago I bought a >> Marantz mini HiFi for the bedroom. We could use it?s sleep timer to play >> music at night and the alarm to play either the German or English news when >> we wake up - you can set it to play German internet radio while going to >> sleep and English FM/DAB radio to wake up. >> >> The major problem with it has been that it?s WiFi system is unreliable. >> It?s hard to make it connect and it sometimes loses its connection and >> always after a power cut. Reconnecting is sometimes impossible, even though >> there are supposed to be multiple ways to do it. All other devices work >> reliably on my WiFi ? IOS, Android, smart TV, Macs, PCs etc. The retailer >> and an online support group both recommended performing a factory reset. >> Doing a factory reset every few weeks became a regular feature of using >> this device. >> >> Without WiFi, you can?t even set the clock, there is no way to set it >> manually. I?ve now abandoned using their flaky WiFi and installed a TP Link >> Ethernet connection over the mains cable. >> >> Last time I did a reset, the internet radio stopped working. It >> transpired that Marantz used a third party service called Vtuner and the >> only way to access internet radio anymore is to pay an annual subscription >> to Vtuner. If I had not needed to do a reset, it would have continued to >> receive any stored stations. >> >> There was no warning that this would change, Marantz insists that their >> software is only guaranteed for 12 months. My complaint is essentially >> that I bought an internet radio from them and it?s no longer an internet >> radio. I?m astonished that in these days where software totally defines a >> product that they can wash their hands of any responsibility for software >> issues after just 12 months. >> >> The latest suggestion from Marantz is that I can connect an external >> device into the unit and pick up internet radio that way, which entirely >> defeats why for the first time in my life I bought an all in one unit >> rather than HiFi separates. This was marketed as an all in one device >> which was supposed to do everything and a year later it doesn?t. >> >> Alan Taylor >> >> > On 3 Apr 2020, at 08:17, John Nottage via Tech1 >> wrote: >> > >> > ?After going back & forth to Panasonic about my failing TV Guide, at >> last I have the answer. They finally suggested I send my TV off to the >> nearest repair shop - Peterborough! I gave them a call where a very nice & >> efficient lady told me that Panasonic had stopped supporting my TV as it >> was 9 years old & had insufficient memory for the latest update. So nothing >> wrong with the set, just Panasonic couldn't be bothered to make the guide >> work any more, nor dare they admit as such to me directly! >> > >> > I sent off a final email to Panasonic, finishing with: >> > >> > "However, if Panasonic had any morals, they would find a way to keep >> the guide going rather than trying to force customers to throw away >> perfectly good TVs just so they can sell new ones. That is not the way to >> save the planet from disappearing under a mountain of plastic. >> > >> > I will publicise this wherever I can so that people know that Panasonic >> don't care a jot for the planet, just their own profits." >> > >> > Won't do any good of course, but it made me feel slightly better. I'll >> keep using the TV until it fails. My main concern now is will my Panasonic >> video lose it's guide in 2 years time when it is also 9 years old? Very >> difficult to go back to the way we use to programme the old VHS machines >> with no guide to lock onto series & time changes. Oh well.... >> > >> > John >> > >> >> On 21/03/2020 10:21, John Nottage via Tech1 wrote: >> >> Thank you for all the thoughts. Done a Factory Reset now - no change. >> We have the Radio Times, but that's out of date as soon as it's printed. >> I'm now going to try asking Panasonic... >> >> John >> >>> On 21/03/2020 09:44, Albert Barber wrote: >> >>> If your FreeviewDigital TV Recorder is failing to record scheduled >> programmes you may need to perform a First Time Installation/Factory Reset >> on the unit. first unplug from mains then start to reset. >> >>> Best wishes and good luck >> >>> >> >>>> On 21 Mar 2020, at 09:28, Mike Jordan via Tech1 < >> tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>> Maybe it is cos channels are continuously changing programmes >> because of Corona specials. >> >>>> I would guess it is different software in the tele and perhaps it >> can't catch up quickly so just gives up? >> >>>> >> >>>> Mike >> >>>> >> >>>> -----Original Message----- From: John Nottage via Tech1 >> >>>> Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2020 8:29 AM >> >>>> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> >>>> Subject: [Tech1] TV Guide >> >>>> >> >>>> My old Panasonic TV (TX-L32E30B, bought 2011) has suddenly stopped >> >>>> showing programmes on the guide, but only from Wednesday onwards! It >> >>>> works fine up to Tuesday. Wed onwards is just blank. It's turned off >> at >> >>>> the mains every night. My slightly newer (2013) Panasonic HDD >> Recorder's >> >>>> guide is fine. >> >>>> >> >>>> Can't find anything related on the internet. Anybody any ideas >> please? >> >>>> >> >>>> John >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> -- >> >>>> Tech1 mailing list >> >>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> >>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> >>> >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Tech1 mailing list >> > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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We were thinking of getting in the car and going to Horsell Common, just down the road - maybe spot a Martian -? but then I saw a pic in the local paper showing that Surrrey CC has blocked all the car parks. There'll? come a time, quite soon, virus or no virus, that people will get fed up...... Anyway, please send walk pictures B -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: oocihaiaaomhfjol.png Type: image/png Size: 863568 bytes Desc: not available URL: From waresound at msn.com Fri Apr 3 13:30:59 2020 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2020 18:30:59 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Walking In-Reply-To: <06148045-7014-fd5e-1bd6-45459c25065b@gmail.com> References: <06148045-7014-fd5e-1bd6-45459c25065b@gmail.com> Message-ID: We?re very spoilt for choice here in Cranleigh. A short car ride away, we have Winkworth Arboretum, Pitch Hill, Leith Hill, Winterfold Hill, Farley Heath, and a bit further away, this pic taken at Elstead Common. Elstead Common has to be the most photogenic location imaginable, different every time you see it. It?s an ancient natural wetland area, superbly maintained by the Surrey Wildlife Trust. Well worth the car ride to get there! [cid:6ED3C4BF-0116-487A-87C6-8B6B85DFC87B] We did about three miles at Farley Heath this sunny afternoon with the dogs. Yesterday we discovered a whole area of amazing forest, etc., right on our doorstep, stretching between Cranleigh and Ewhurst. Nick. Sent from my iPad mini 5 On 3 Apr 2020, at 15:58, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: ? We've just been on our afternoon walk. It looks pretty, but after a fortnight can pall a bit. 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Graeme Wall > On 3 Apr 2020, at 19:31, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 wrote: > > I'm still collecting images of working techies for my behind-the-scenes page, even if a broken computer prevents me actually posting them yet. > I found some nice ones of Brian White and Rodney Taylor, from a "Multi-Coloured Swap Shop" of 1977. Can anyone identified the newfangled hand-held camera being modelled here by Rodney. > > luv, Rog. > > > > > > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From doug at adcoldwell.plus.com Fri Apr 3 13:51:51 2020 From: doug at adcoldwell.plus.com (Doug Coldwell) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2020 19:51:51 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Behind the Scenes pix References: <1791515235.181818.1585938705590.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1791515235.181818.1585938705590@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <003d01d609e8$f77ebff0$0a01a8c0@ColdwellPC> Hi Roger I remember grabbing this shot live on air one morning. Rodney wanted to try the KCR40 which was on trial in TC7. He never tried it again and it was relegated to us lower order erks who didn't mind knackering our backs. Quite the most unergonomic we tried and that's saying some. Best wishes, to all in isolation. Doug. ----- Original Message ----- From: "ROGER BUNCE via Tech1" To: "Tech-Ops-chit-chat" Sent: Friday, April 3, 2020 7:31 PM Subject: [Tech1] Behind the Scenes pix I'm still collecting images of working techies for my behind-the-scenes page, even if a broken computer prevents me actually posting them yet.I found some nice ones of Brian White and Rodney Taylor, from a "Multi-Coloured Swap Shop" of 1977. Can anyone identified the newfangled hand-held camera being modelled here by Rodney. luv, Rog. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > From techtone at protonmail.com Fri Apr 3 13:59:44 2020 From: techtone at protonmail.com (techtone) Date: Fri, 03 Apr 2020 18:59:44 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Behind the Scenes pix In-Reply-To: <1791515235.181818.1585938705590@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1791515235.181818.1585938705590.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1791515235.181818.1585938705590@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: It's a Fernseh, here's a picture of Howard Michaels with one, sorry it's not turned 90 degrees, but I'm sure you can do that for yourselves. I had thought that this had been sent to the tech-ops website a while back, but I simply can't remember what's gone before. I've got plenty to send, but I simply haven't got the time I thought I'd have just now, as I seem to spend all day sorting out everybody else's problems, usually on computer. Today, I must have spent well over an hour trying to order some art material for Heather, and every time we reached the payment page, everything came to a halt. After several tries, I was at least able to phone the firm and complete the order over the phone. Can't work out if it's because thy've got loads of orders from people wanting to work from home, or whether it's because we're in 20th Century Wales with snail's internet pace. TeaTeaFN - Tony Sent with [ProtonMail](https://protonmail.com) Secure Email. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I had thought that this had been sent to the tech-ops >website a while back, but I simply can't remember what's gone before. >I've got plenty to send, but I simply haven't got the time I thought >I'd have just now, as I seem to spend all day sorting out everybody >else's problems, usually on computer. > >Today, I must have spent well over an hour trying to order some art >material for Heather, and every time we reached the payment page, >everything came to a halt. After several tries, I was at least able to >phone the firm and complete the order over the phone. Can't work out if >it's because thy've got loads of orders from people wanting to work >from home, or whether it's because we're in 20th Century Wales with >snail's internet pace. > >TeaTeaFN - Tony > >Sent with [ProtonMail](https://protonmail.com) Secure Email. -- Planet Cosmo EE iCloud -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Mike G From rogerbunce at btinternet.com Sat Apr 4 05:51:51 2020 From: rogerbunce at btinternet.com (ROGER BUNCE) Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2020 10:51:51 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Tech1] Hand-Held Camera References: <1383740104.378494.1585997511532.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1383740104.378494.1585997511532@mail.yahoo.com> Many thanks to Graham, Dudley, Doug, Tony, Dave and Simon, who have helped to identify the historic hand-held camera. And great to hear from you all. Doug Caldwell even remembers taking the shot. I shall label it a 'Bosch-Fernseh KCR-40', unless anyone desperately wants to dispute the model number. I should remember these things myself, but it's all fading! luv, Rog -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Doug Caldwell even remembers taking the shot. I shall label it a 'Bosch-Fernseh KCR-40', unless anyone desperately wants to dispute the model number. I should remember these things myself, but it's all fading! > > luv, Rog > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From bernie833 at gmail.com Sat Apr 4 06:33:55 2020 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2020 12:33:55 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Hand-Held Camera In-Reply-To: <18128967-6D76-4191-A18E-078F04EFB20C@icloud.com> References: <1383740104.378494.1585997511532.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1383740104.378494.1585997511532@mail.yahoo.com> <18128967-6D76-4191-A18E-078F04EFB20C@icloud.com> Message-ID: The only time I operated a hand held, which was probably that one, I was in a cupboard on The Hunchback of Note Dame pretending to be a spy of some kind B On Sat, 4 Apr 2020, 12:27 Graeme Wall via Tech1, wrote: > I seem to remember it was also used on a production of the Tempest,[1] > which featured a large set of a tudor sailing ship and allowed shots to be > taken from various points ?on board?. > ? > Graeme Wall > > > [1] The infamous BBC Shakespeare series perhaps. > > > On 4 Apr 2020, at 11:51, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 > wrote: > > > > Many thanks to Graham, Dudley, Doug, Tony, Dave and Simon, who have > helped to identify the historic hand-held camera. And great to hear from > you all. Doug Caldwell even remembers taking the shot. I shall label it a > 'Bosch-Fernseh KCR-40', unless anyone desperately wants to dispute the > model number. I should remember these things myself, but it's all fading! > > > > luv, Rog > > > > > > -- > > Tech1 mailing list > > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From crew13 at vincent68.plus.com Sat Apr 4 08:02:31 2020 From: crew13 at vincent68.plus.com (John Vincent) Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2020 14:02:31 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Marmalade Sandwiches Message-ID: Been watching Great British Menu. It has a children?s literature theme. I hope Mike Bond gets a look in. I?d make a marmalade sandwich bread and butter pudding, with some Mike Collcutt dollops and John Dailley pipe drippings! An extra early if you know what the last two are! John V Sent from my iPad From royadcock98 at gmail.com Sat Apr 4 08:03:52 2020 From: royadcock98 at gmail.com (Roy Adcock) Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2020 14:03:52 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Hand-Held Camera In-Reply-To: References: <1383740104.378494.1585997511532.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1383740104.378494.1585997511532@mail.yahoo.com> <18128967-6D76-4191-A18E-078F04EFB20C@icloud.com> Message-ID: <177DDEAC-D5B8-48F6-9775-54D9D15B5498@gmail.com> If I remember correctly it was this camera that was slung across the centre circle for Roy Castle?s Record Breakers show with girls dancing around the fountain. Roy Adcock Sent from my iPad > On 4 Apr 2020, at 12:33, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: > > The only time I operated a hand held, which was probably that one, I was in a cupboard on The Hunchback of Note Dame pretending to be a spy of some kind > > B > >> On Sat, 4 Apr 2020, 12:27 Graeme Wall via Tech1, wrote: >> I seem to remember it was also used on a production of the Tempest,[1] which featured a large set of a tudor sailing ship and allowed shots to be taken from various points ?on board?. >> ? >> Graeme Wall >> >> >> [1] The infamous BBC Shakespeare series perhaps. >> >> > On 4 Apr 2020, at 11:51, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 wrote: >> > >> > Many thanks to Graham, Dudley, Doug, Tony, Dave and Simon, who have helped to identify the historic hand-held camera. And great to hear from you all. Doug Caldwell even remembers taking the shot. I shall label it a 'Bosch-Fernseh KCR-40', unless anyone desperately wants to dispute the model number. 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URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Sat Apr 4 08:28:15 2020 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2020 14:28:15 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Hand-Held Camera In-Reply-To: <1383740104.378494.1585997511532@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1383740104.378494.1585997511532.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1383740104.378494.1585997511532@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5e888b70.1c69fb81.d3c78.c29b@mx.google.com> While I am unfamiliar with this camera, it looks as if it was a 3-tube device? I have a salutary story to relate about 3-tube: I blessed the BBC training on occasion whilst freelance! En route from Luton to Montreux for a corporate shoot, launching the Rover 800, me on sound - my cameraman and I were half asleep at an early hour, and accidentally sent the camera (think it was a Sony 330) in its hard travel case through baggage handling, instead of hand carrying which was more usual and safer. Spent the afternoon with the demo car - ups and pasts and p.o.v. through the windscreen on the winding Swiss roads. Checking back the footage in colour in the hotel room (B/W viewfinder!) cameraman says: "Should there be a red border along the white lines of the road" No!!!! A call, on a Saturday afternoon, to the facilities service chap (an LWT camera tech, luckily at home) set us in motion to re-line up the camera. "Have you got a cross hatch chart?" No, but there's a brick wall opposite the hotel room - the mortar lines served well! Under instruction, I realised that the line-up was very similar to a vidicon procedure, and vision training all?came flooding back. We got away with a reasonable picture for the chairman's keynote piece to camera the following day, and I never heard a word. Back at base, it was discovered that the red tube had shifted half an inch in its clamp mounting, so was well out of registration. But we pulled it back electronically - though, perhaps maybe we should not have kept the complimentary Burberry scarf, but I did! Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 Sent: 04 April 2020 11:52 To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat Subject: [Tech1] Hand-Held Camera Many thanks to Graham, Dudley, Doug, Tony, Dave and Simon, who have helped to identify the historic hand-held camera. And great to hear from you all. Doug Caldwell even remembers taking the shot. I shall label it a 'Bosch-Fernseh KCR-40', unless anyone desperately wants to dispute the model number. I should remember these things myself, but it's all fading! luv, Rog -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Roy Adcock Sent from my iPad On 4 Apr 2020, at 12:33, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 > wrote: The only time I operated a hand held, which was probably that one, I was in a cupboard on The Hunchback of Note Dame pretending to be a spy of some kind B On Sat, 4 Apr 2020, 12:27 Graeme Wall via Tech1, > wrote: I seem to remember it was also used on a production of the Tempest,[1] which featured a large set of a tudor sailing ship and allowed shots to be taken from various points ?on board?. ? Graeme Wall [1] The infamous BBC Shakespeare series perhaps. > On 4 Apr 2020, at 11:51, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 > wrote: > > Many thanks to Graham, Dudley, Doug, Tony, Dave and Simon, who have helped to identify the historic hand-held camera. And great to hear from you all. Doug Caldwell even remembers taking the shot. I shall label it a 'Bosch-Fernseh KCR-40', unless anyone desperately wants to dispute the model number. I should remember these things myself, but it's all fading! > > luv, Rog > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From waresound at msn.com Sat Apr 4 09:36:19 2020 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2020 14:36:19 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Hand-Held Camera Message-ID: ?A fascinating story Pat. But I?m struggling to understand how the tube was able to shift half an inch (I presume you mean laterally?). The tube yolks were hard mounted, indeed, part of the prism block assembly. Given that it was a half inch tube, how was there any image to pull back electronically? My picture is of an Ikegami HL79D 3 tube prism/tube assembly that I kept as an ornament when the camera was skipped - very similar to Its Sony contemporaries - and you can probably see that there?s no scope for tube movement. I?m intrigued to know how you did it. Cheers, Nick. [cid:0E212435-9F0B-448D-83F3-CBEC47663F6C] Sent from my iPad mini 5 On 4 Apr 2020, at 14:28, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: ? While I am unfamiliar with this camera, it looks as if it was a 3-tube device? I have a salutary story to relate about 3-tube: I blessed the BBC training on occasion whilst freelance! En route from Luton to Montreux for a corporate shoot, launching the Rover 800, me on sound - my cameraman and I were half asleep at an early hour, and accidentally sent the camera (think it was a Sony 330) in its hard travel case through baggage handling, instead of hand carrying which was more usual and safer. Spent the afternoon with the demo car - ups and pasts and p.o.v. through the windscreen on the winding Swiss roads. Checking back the footage in colour in the hotel room (B/W viewfinder!) cameraman says: "Should there be a red border along the white lines of the road" No!!!! A call, on a Saturday afternoon, to the facilities service chap (an LWT camera tech, luckily at home) set us in motion to re-line up the camera. "Have you got a cross hatch chart?" No, but there's a brick wall opposite the hotel room - the mortar lines served well! Under instruction, I realised that the line-up was very similar to a vidicon procedure, and vision training all came flooding back. We got away with a reasonable picture for the chairman's keynote piece to camera the following day, and I never heard a word. Back at base, it was discovered that the red tube had shifted half an inch in its clamp mounting, so was well out of registration. But we pulled it back electronically - though, perhaps maybe we should not have kept the complimentary Burberry scarf, but I did! Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 Sent: 04 April 2020 11:52 To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat Subject: [Tech1] Hand-Held Camera Many thanks to Graham, Dudley, Doug, Tony, Dave and Simon, who have helped to identify the historic hand-held camera. And great to hear from you all. Doug Caldwell even remembers taking the shot. I shall label it a 'Bosch-Fernseh KCR-40', unless anyone desperately wants to dispute the model number. 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Incidentally, in my search for images of techies in behind-the-scenes footage, I found a 'Late Night Line Up' documentary about the making of 'Z-Cars' (1965). Very grotty quality, and difficult to recognise anyone - except - there was this chap tracking a Heron, who doesn't seem to have changed a bit, in all these years. luv, Rog. On Saturday, 4 April 2020, 14:04:23 BST, Roy Adcock via Tech1 wrote: If I remember correctly it was this camera that was slung across the centre circle for Roy Castle?s Record Breakers show with girls dancing around the fountain.?Roy Adcock Sent from my iPad On 4 Apr 2020, at 12:33, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: The only time I operated a hand held, which was probably that one, I was in a cupboard on The Hunchback of Note Dame pretending to be a spy of some kind B On Sat, 4 Apr 2020, 12:27 Graeme Wall via Tech1, wrote: I seem to remember it was also used on a production of the Tempest,[1]? which featured a large set of a tudor sailing ship and allowed shots to be taken from various points ?on board?. ? Graeme Wall [1] The infamous BBC Shakespeare series perhaps. > On 4 Apr 2020, at 11:51, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 wrote: > > Many thanks to Graham, Dudley, Doug, Tony, Dave and Simon, who have helped to identify the historic hand-held camera. And great to hear from you all. 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Given that it was a half inch tube, how was there any image to pull back electronically? My picture is of an Ikegami HL79D 3 tube prism/tube assembly that I kept as an ornament when the camera was skipped - very similar to Its Sony contemporaries - and you can probably see that there?s no scope for tube movement. I?m intrigued to know how you did it. Cheers, Nick. Sent from my iPad mini 5 On 4 Apr 2020, at 14:28, patheigham via Tech1 > wrote: ? While I am unfamiliar with this camera, it looks as if it was a 3-tube device? I have a salutary story to relate about 3-tube: I blessed the BBC training on occasion whilst freelance! En route from Luton to Montreux for a corporate shoot, launching the Rover 800, me on sound - my cameraman and I were half asleep at an early hour, and accidentally sent the camera (think it was a Sony 330) in its hard travel case through baggage handling, instead of hand carrying which was more usual and safer. Spent the afternoon with the demo car - ups and pasts and p.o.v. through the windscreen on the winding Swiss roads. Checking back the footage in colour in the hotel room (B/W viewfinder!) cameraman says: "Should there be a red border along the white lines of the road" No!!!! A call, on a Saturday afternoon, to the facilities service chap (an LWT camera tech, luckily at home) set us in motion to re-line up the camera. "Have you got a cross hatch chart?" No, but there's a brick wall opposite the hotel room - the mortar lines served well! Under instruction, I realised that the line-up was very similar to a vidicon procedure, and vision training all came flooding back. We got away with a reasonable picture for the chairman's keynote piece to camera the following day, and I never heard a word. Back at base, it was discovered that the red tube had shifted half an inch in its clamp mounting, so was well out of registration. But we pulled it back electronically - though, perhaps maybe we should not have kept the complimentary Burberry scarf, but I did! Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 Sent: 04 April 2020 11:52 To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat Subject: [Tech1] Hand-Held Camera Many thanks to Graham, Dudley, Doug, Tony, Dave and Simon, who have helped to identify the historic hand-held camera. And great to hear from you all. Doug Caldwell even remembers taking the shot. I shall label it a 'Bosch-Fernseh KCR-40', unless anyone desperately wants to dispute the model number. I should remember these things myself, but it's all fading! luv, Rog Virus-free. www.avast.com -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Interestingly, they were also used on Top of the Pops around 1979/80 presumably in addition and to support to the less agile EMI 2001s - it?s forty years ago now but can anyone else remember ? >> On 4 Apr 2020, at 14:04, Roy Adcock via Tech1 wrote: > > ?If I remember correctly it was this camera that was slung across the centre circle for Roy Castle?s Record Breakers show with girls dancing around the fountain. > Roy Adcock > > Sent from my iPad > >> On 4 Apr 2020, at 12:33, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: >> >> The only time I operated a hand held, which was probably that one, I was in a cupboard on The Hunchback of Note Dame pretending to be a spy of some kind >> >> B >> >>> On Sat, 4 Apr 2020, 12:27 Graeme Wall via Tech1, wrote: >>> I seem to remember it was also used on a production of the Tempest,[1] which featured a large set of a tudor sailing ship and allowed shots to be taken from various points ?on board?. >>> ? >>> Graeme Wall >>> >>> >>> [1] The infamous BBC Shakespeare series perhaps. >>> >>> > On 4 Apr 2020, at 11:51, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 wrote: >>> > >>> > Many thanks to Graham, Dudley, Doug, Tony, Dave and Simon, who have helped to identify the historic hand-held camera. And great to hear from you all. Doug Caldwell even remembers taking the shot. I shall label it a 'Bosch-Fernseh KCR-40', unless anyone desperately wants to dispute the model number. I should remember these things myself, but it's all fading! >>> > >>> > luv, Rog >>> > >>> > >>> > -- >>> > Tech1 mailing list >>> > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Interestingly, they were also used on Top of the Pops around 1979/80 presumably in addition and to support to the less agile EMI 2001s - it?s forty years ago now but can anyone else remember ? >> On 4 Apr 2020, at 14:04, Roy Adcock via Tech1 wrote: > > ?If I remember correctly it was this camera that was slung across the centre circle for Roy Castle?s Record Breakers show with girls dancing around the fountain. > Roy Adcock > > Sent from my iPad > >> On 4 Apr 2020, at 12:33, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: >> >> The only time I operated a hand held, which was probably that one, I was in a cupboard on The Hunchback of Note Dame pretending to be a spy of some kind >> >> B >> >>> On Sat, 4 Apr 2020, 12:27 Graeme Wall via Tech1, wrote: >>> I seem to remember it was also used on a production of the Tempest,[1] which featured a large set of a tudor sailing ship and allowed shots to be taken from various points ?on board?. >>> ? >>> Graeme Wall >>> >>> >>> [1] The infamous BBC Shakespeare series perhaps. >>> >>> > On 4 Apr 2020, at 11:51, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 wrote: >>> > >>> > Many thanks to Graham, Dudley, Doug, Tony, Dave and Simon, who have helped to identify the historic hand-held camera. And great to hear from you all. Doug Caldwell even remembers taking the shot. I shall label it a 'Bosch-Fernseh KCR-40', unless anyone desperately wants to dispute the model number. I should remember these things myself, but it's all fading! >>> > >>> > luv, Rog >>> > >>> > >>> > -- >>> > Tech1 mailing list >>> > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net Sun Apr 5 05:36:50 2020 From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt) Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2020 11:36:50 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] How it was In-Reply-To: <3292ec38-93ca-b703-195b-19fb3b9e0bd0@gmail.com> References: <3292ec38-93ca-b703-195b-19fb3b9e0bd0@gmail.com> Message-ID: Nice reminder Bernie. I see from my 1967 diary I worked on the Julie Felix shows and the first two I have a note of were on Oct 10th & 17th in TC6. All subsequent recordings were from TC8 at weekly intervals each Tuesday following on from the dates of the TC6 ones. All mixed by Bish until Jan 4th 1968 when Buster Cole was SS. Not sure how long the series continued beyond then as I was no longer involved. I still have a number of Wireless World mags from the 1960?s. I?m attaching a scan of the cover from April 1968 and wonder if the featured production is in anyone?s recollection? It rings bells of recognition in my mind but it won?t come to me. Increasing number of synaptic connections missing! The cover photo was described as here (you might have thought they would have mentioned it was a D25 mic) :- Best wishes to all, Dave Newbitt. From: Bernard Newnham via Tech1 Sent: Sunday, April 5, 2020 9:40 AM To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: [Tech1] How it was Sad news - Julie Felix died last week. A part of my youth, in various studios, on various shows. Long ago - 1967 - we were scheduled to do proving tests in TC6 (or was it TC8?). Somehow day 2 turned into the first Julie Felix Show, the BBC's first commissioned colour programme. It got to be on the cover of Wireless World - The front cover strangely didn't get a mention in the magazine, but I can tell you the cameramen were Robin Barnes and Paul Salinger, and the act is The Incredible String Band. I found the picture on a page on the original tech-ops site - http://www.tech-ops.co.uk/page33.html - put together on 25/04/02 for monitors that worked in 800x600. If you click on "View Source" you can marvel at ancient runes of lovingly hand coded html. B -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: WW%20Cover%20text%20April%201968[3].jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 96674 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Well worth the car ride to get there! > > > We did about three miles at Farley Heath this sunny afternoon with the dogs. Yesterday we discovered a whole area of amazing forest, etc., right on our doorstep, stretching between Cranleigh and Ewhurst. > Nick. > Sent from my iPad mini 5 > >>> On 3 Apr 2020, at 15:58, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: >>> >> ? We've just been on our afternoon walk. It looks pretty, but after a fortnight can pall a bit. We were thinking of getting in the car and going to Horsell Common, just down the road - maybe spot a Martian - but then I saw a pic in the local paper showing that Surrrey CC has blocked all the car parks. There'll come a time, quite soon, virus or no virus, that people will get fed up...... >> >> Anyway, please send walk pictures >> >> B >> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: f124366f-7190-4a78-be09-56dc4e359b17.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 199325 bytes Desc: not available URL: From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Sun Apr 5 09:04:21 2020 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2020 15:04:21 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Walking Message-ID: <869cf32b-e16b-008b-cda9-647a808b4dbc@btinternet.com> A couple of pictures from my son's walk in Lincolnshire today. 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Certainly different from Worcester Park, John! Is that a Martian on the horizon? Cheers, Dave. On 05/04/2020 15:19, jpn via Tech1 wrote: Out in front of my house where I walk. That road is normally a car park full from end to end, especially on a sunny Sunday. John Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From peter.neill at icloud.com Sun Apr 5 12:31:14 2020 From: peter.neill at icloud.com (Peter Neill) Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2020 18:31:14 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Walking In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4CD01EA8-5A2A-4D86-848D-807F0893DB1A@icloud.com> We?re very lucky. This is the view from my front door. The field leads to a wood which leads to more fields and woods. Yesterday we did a 3mile circular walk and saw one other person (and a dog). All on public footpaths but not a policeman or drone in sight. Peter Neill Sent from my iPhone. Apologies for typos and autocorruptions. > On 5 Apr 2020, at 17:49, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: > > ? > ?Funny you should ask that, because it immediately reminded me of a fab film called ?Mars Attacks!?, where just as things are getting totally out of control they discover that the Aliens? heads explode as soon as they hear Tom Jones? song, ?It?s Not Unusual?. > I always like to check my facts for accuracy before posting, so I was a bit surprised to see on Wikipedia that it was a Slim Whitman song, but reading to the very end I find that I was right, for once. > Anyone care to nominate the singer and song that might scare Coronavirus away? > Cheers, > Nick. > > PS, in my last post I used the term camera tube ?yolk?. This left me with a feeling of egg-on-face because it was meant to be ?yoke?. > iPad gets the blame for that of course, as always! > N. > Sent from my iPad mini 5 > >>> On 5 Apr 2020, at 16:01, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: >>> >> ? >> Certainly different from Worcester Park, John! Is that a Martian on the horizon? Cheers, Dave. >> >>> On 05/04/2020 15:19, jpn via Tech1 wrote: >>> Out in front of my house where I walk. That road is normally a car park full from end to end, especially on a sunny Sunday. >>> >>> John >>> >>> >>> >>> Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. >>> >>> >>> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Cheers, Dave On 05/04/2020 17:49, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: > ?Funny you should ask that, because it immediately reminded me of a > fab film called ?Mars Attacks!?, where just as things are getting > totally out of control they discover that the Aliens? heads explode as > soon as they hear Tom Jones? song, ?It?s Not Unusual?. > I always like to check my facts for accuracy before posting, so I was > a bit surprised to see on Wikipedia that it was a Slim Whitman song, > but reading to the very end I find that I was right, for once. > Anyone care to nominate the singer and song that might scare > Coronavirus away? > Cheers, > Nick. > > PS, in my last post I used the term camera tube ?yolk?. This left me > with a feeling of egg-on-face because it was meant to be ?yoke?. > iPad gets the blame for that of course, as always! > N. > Sent from my iPad mini 5 > >> On 5 Apr 2020, at 16:01, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: >> >> ? >> >> Certainly different from Worcester Park, John! Is that a Martian on >> the horizon? Cheers, Dave. >> >> On 05/04/2020 15:19, jpn via Tech1 wrote: >>> Out in front of my house where I walk. That road is normally a? car >>> park full from end to end, especially on a sunny Sunday. >>> >>> John >>> >>> >>> >>> Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. >>> >>> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Sun Apr 5 12:59:31 2020 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2020 18:59:31 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Walking In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5e8a1c82.1c69fb81.20c6f.daac@mx.google.com> ?Fever? (Peggy Lee) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JGb5IweiYG8 Could be appropriate. Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Nick Ware via Tech1 Sent: 05 April 2020 17:49 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Walking ? Anyone care to nominate the singer and song that might scare Coronavirus away? Cheers, Nick. -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From peter.fox at zero51.force9.co.uk Sun Apr 5 13:04:20 2020 From: peter.fox at zero51.force9.co.uk (Peter Fox) Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2020 19:04:20 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Hand-Held Camera In-Reply-To: <06C05124-7D97-4CF9-B630-745980CA4B70@btinternet.com> References: <06C05124-7D97-4CF9-B630-745980CA4B70@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <7B1E9460-C13D-4405-A6A4-1B395382BA47@zero51.force9.co.uk> Heres some KCR40 snippets from the 1980 David Hemmings? Jekyll and Hyde. Far from being agile it was a heavy pig and couldn?t be comfortably balanced on your shoulder because of the bottom tube of the arrow head. I recall that we developed a cunning plan for the end of a handheld sequence which had just involved a whip pan with a heavy chemistry tome into a fireplace. We purloined a fancy mahogany pedestal off the set, topped it with a cushion and Ron slid it under the camera at the critical moment so it could be softly landed and then held steady for a minute or two. Another first, for us at least, was Gerry Tivers operating it hand held on the front of a Nike crane for a big crane up a stair well. We had also borrowed a Steadycam from Ealing for a (slow) run down the staircase with a maid and it was fairly exciting for the operator (me) but far from perfection, because those delicate little triax mini cables were years away, so it had to have TV39 (or similar) trying to bias the pan. Also the Steadycam was sprung for an Aaton and not quite there even when fully adjusted up. Well, it never won any baftas and we learned not to be too enthusiastic about hand held camerawork with the KCR 40s and to hire a proper steadycam not scrounge one. (They were rare though) However we had a lot of fun making it, which is what really mattered. Peter Fox > On 4 Apr 2020, at 23:50, Steve Edwards via Tech1 wrote: > > ? > ? > I understood the BBC initially bought two of these Bosch KCR40s in 1973 for an experimental OB unit which lead to the selection of these cameras for London based units LMCR 1 & LPU 1 because of their suitability for location & drama work. > > Interestingly, they were also used on Top of the Pops around 1979/80 presumably in addition and to support to the less agile EMI 2001s - it?s forty years ago now but can anyone else remember ? > > <95839fd1-64e3-4ca7-ba91-202d58c5c810.jpg> > > > >> On 4 Apr 2020, at 14:04, Roy Adcock via Tech1 wrote: > >> >> ?If I remember correctly it was this camera that was slung across the centre circle for Roy Castle?s Record Breakers show with girls dancing around the fountain. >> Roy Adcock >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On 4 Apr 2020, at 12:33, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: >> >>> The only time I operated a hand held, which was probably that one, I was in a cupboard on The Hunchback of Note Dame pretending to be a spy of some kind >>> >>> B >>> >>> On Sat, 4 Apr 2020, 12:27 Graeme Wall via Tech1, wrote: >>>> I seem to remember it was also used on a production of the Tempest,[1] which featured a large set of a tudor sailing ship and allowed shots to be taken from various points ?on board?. >>>> ? >>>> Graeme Wall >>>> >>>> >>>> [1] The infamous BBC Shakespeare series perhaps. >>>> >>>> > On 4 Apr 2020, at 11:51, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 wrote: >>>> > >>>> > Many thanks to Graham, Dudley, Doug, Tony, Dave and Simon, who have helped to identify the historic hand-held camera. And great to hear from you all. Doug Caldwell even remembers taking the shot. I shall label it a 'Bosch-Fernseh KCR-40', unless anyone desperately wants to dispute the model number. I should remember these things myself, but it's all fading! >>>> > >>>> > luv, Rog >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > -- >>>> > Tech1 mailing list >>>> > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>> > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Jekyll and Hyde. Far from being agile it was a heavy pig and couldn?t be comfortably balanced on your shoulder because of the bottom tube of the arrow head. I recall that we developed a cunning plan for the end of a handheld sequence which had just involved a whip pan with a heavy chemistry tome into a fireplace. We purloined a fancy mahogany pedestal off the set, topped it with a cushion and Ron slid it under the camera at the critical moment so it could be softly landed and then held steady for a minute or two. Another first, for us at least, was Gerry Tivers operating it hand held on the front of a Nike crane for a big crane up a stair well. We had also borrowed a Steadycam from Ealing for a (slow) run down the staircase with a maid and it was fairly exciting for the operator (me) but far from perfection, because those delicate little triax mini cables were years away, so it had to have TV39 (or similar) trying to bias the pan. Also the Steadycam was sprung for an Aaton and not quite there even when fully adjusted up. Well, it never won any baftas and we learned not to be too enthusiastic about hand held camerawork with the KCR 40s and to hire a proper steadycam not scrounge one. (They were rare though) However we had a lot of fun making it, which is what really mattered. Peter Fox On 4 Apr 2020, at 23:50, Steve Edwards via Tech1 wrote: ? ? I understood the BBC initially bought two of these Bosch KCR40s in 1973 for an experimental OB unit which lead to the selection of these cameras for London based units LMCR 1 & LPU 1 because of their suitability for location & drama work. Interestingly, they were also used on Top of the Pops around 1979/80 presumably in addition and to support to the less agile EMI 2001s - it?s forty years ago now but can anyone else remember ? <95839fd1-64e3-4ca7-ba91-202d58c5c810.jpg> On 4 Apr 2020, at 14:04, Roy Adcock via Tech1 wrote: ?If I remember correctly it was this camera that was slung across the centre circle for Roy Castle?s Record Breakers show with girls dancing around the fountain. Roy Adcock Sent from my iPad On 4 Apr 2020, at 12:33, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 > wrote: The only time I operated a hand held, which was probably that one, I was in a cupboard on The Hunchback of Note Dame pretending to be a spy of some kind B On Sat, 4 Apr 2020, 12:27 Graeme Wall via Tech1, > wrote: I seem to remember it was also used on a production of the Tempest,[1] which featured a large set of a tudor sailing ship and allowed shots to be taken from various points ?on board?. ? Graeme Wall [1] The infamous BBC Shakespeare series perhaps. > On 4 Apr 2020, at 11:51, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 > wrote: > > Many thanks to Graham, Dudley, Doug, Tony, Dave and Simon, who have helped to identify the historic hand-held camera. And great to hear from you all. Doug Caldwell even remembers taking the shot. I shall label it a 'Bosch-Fernseh KCR-40', unless anyone desperately wants to dispute the model number. I should remember these things myself, but it's all fading! > > luv, Rog > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From simoncmorris at mac.com Sun Apr 5 13:37:37 2020 From: simoncmorris at mac.com (Simon Morris) Date: Sun, 05 Apr 2020 19:37:37 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Hand-Held Camera In-Reply-To: <7B1E9460-C13D-4405-A6A4-1B395382BA47@zero51.force9.co.uk> References: <06C05124-7D97-4CF9-B630-745980CA4B70@btinternet.com> <7B1E9460-C13D-4405-A6A4-1B395382BA47@zero51.force9.co.uk> Message-ID: I remember that Nike shot well ... One shot I'd like to forget is, while carrying the KCR-40 backback on a TOTPs in December 1979 (I think), I managed to pull the head to backpack cable out of the backpack ... Whoops!! I believe you might have been there Peter. A few years later I used it on A Song for Europe (?) with Crew 7. so they must have managed to repair it ... by then I'd developed a love hate relationship with the KCR-40! (not least the viewfinder mount being very unreliable, letting you down at the critical moment) It did start my love of handhelds on various shows from TOTPs to Network 7 and beyond. Simon On 5 April 2020 19:04:20 BST, Peter Fox via Tech1 wrote: >Heres some KCR40 snippets from the 1980 David Hemmings? Jekyll and >Hyde. Far from being agile it was a heavy pig and couldn?t be >comfortably balanced on your shoulder because of the bottom tube of the >arrow head. I recall that we developed a cunning plan for the end of a >handheld sequence which had just involved a whip pan with a heavy >chemistry tome into a fireplace. We purloined a fancy mahogany >pedestal off the set, topped it with a cushion and Ron slid it under >the camera at the critical moment so it could be softly landed and then >held steady for a minute or two. Another first, for us at least, was >Gerry Tivers operating it hand held on the front of a Nike crane for a >big crane up a stair well. We had also borrowed a Steadycam from Ealing >for a (slow) run down the staircase with a maid and it was fairly >exciting for the operator (me) but far from perfection, because those >delicate little triax mini cables were years away, so it had to have >TV39 (or similar) trying to bias the pan. Also the Steadycam was sprung >for an Aaton and not quite there even when fully adjusted up. Well, it >never won any baftas and we learned not to be too enthusiastic about >hand held camerawork with the KCR 40s and to hire a proper steadycam >not scrounge one. (They were rare though) However we had a lot of fun >making it, which is what really mattered. > >Peter Fox > >> On 4 Apr 2020, at 23:50, Steve Edwards via Tech1 > wrote: >> >> ? >> ? >> I understood the BBC initially bought two of these Bosch KCR40s in >1973 for an experimental OB unit which lead to the selection of these >cameras for London based units LMCR 1 & LPU 1 because of their >suitability for location & drama work. >> >> Interestingly, they were also used on Top of the Pops around 1979/80 >presumably in addition and to support to the less agile EMI 2001s - >it?s forty years ago now but can anyone else remember ? >> >> <95839fd1-64e3-4ca7-ba91-202d58c5c810.jpg> >> >> >> >>> On 4 Apr 2020, at 14:04, Roy Adcock via Tech1 >wrote: >> >>> >>> ?If I remember correctly it was this camera that was slung across >the centre circle for Roy Castle?s Record Breakers show with girls >dancing around the fountain. >>> Roy Adcock >>> >>> Sent from my iPad >>> >>> On 4 Apr 2020, at 12:33, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 > wrote: >>> >>>> The only time I operated a hand held, which was probably that one, >I was in a cupboard on The Hunchback of Note Dame pretending to be a >spy of some kind >>>> >>>> B >>>> >>>> On Sat, 4 Apr 2020, 12:27 Graeme Wall via Tech1, > wrote: >>>>> I seem to remember it was also used on a production of the >Tempest,[1] which featured a large set of a tudor sailing ship and >allowed shots to be taken from various points ?on board?. >>>>> ? >>>>> Graeme Wall >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> [1] The infamous BBC Shakespeare series perhaps. >>>>> >>>>> > On 4 Apr 2020, at 11:51, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 > wrote: >>>>> > >>>>> > Many thanks to Graham, Dudley, Doug, Tony, Dave and Simon, who >have helped to identify the historic hand-held camera. And great to >hear from you all. Doug Caldwell even remembers taking the shot. I >shall label it a 'Bosch-Fernseh KCR-40', unless anyone desperately >wants to dispute the model number. I should remember these things >myself, but it's all fading! >>>>> > >>>>> > luv, Rog >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > -- >>>>> > Tech1 mailing list >>>>> > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>>> > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>>> -- >>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Planet Cosmo EE iCloud -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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John H. -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Sun Apr 5 15:10:21 2020 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2020 21:10:21 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Warship In-Reply-To: <1631588778.1176609.1586100569444@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1631588778.1176609.1586100569444.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1631588778.1176609.1586100569444@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5e8a3b2b.1c69fb81.87d9.6ee1@mx.google.com> Didn?t work on the series, but a side story: Actor Bryan Marshall, played Cmdr Alan Glenn, left at the end of the last episode, to take up another appointment (in the story). Coincidentally, the Bond movie ?The Spy Who Loved Me? was released a few days after the last episode of Warship was transmitted, and Bryan turns up as captain of one of the nuclear submarines! Maybe that was his future posting! Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 Sent: 05 April 2020 16:29 To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat Subject: [Tech1] Warship Calling anyone who worked on the drama series "Warship", which ran from 1973 - 1976. Youthful TV Historian Alex Moore is researching a book on the series, but has found a lack of information on paper. Does anyone have any interesting memories or anecdotes that they would like to pass on to him. Let me know, and I'll send his details. luv, Rog. -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jpn at imixmics.co.uk Sun Apr 5 15:17:41 2020 From: jpn at imixmics.co.uk (jpn) Date: Sun, 05 Apr 2020 21:17:41 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Royal Broadcast In-Reply-To: <5e8a35c2.1c69fb81.323f4.643d@mx.google.com> Message-ID: I'm just reading a novel involving time travel. That might explain it.?JohnSent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. -------- Original message --------From: patheigham via Tech1 Date: 05/04/2020 20:47 (GMT+00:00) To: John Howell , TechOps Forum Subject: Re: [Tech1] Royal Broadcast Well, if it was a dubbing session, HM would have needed a 2m long sword!?I?m puzzled, Hibou, as your message is time stamped at 19:10, although I assume that you posted after the broadcast at 20:00.This also applies to a posting from Nick, stamped at 19:20.?Both my laptop and tablet are displaying the correct time (BST).Thoughts?Pat??Sent from Mail for Windows 10?From: John Howell via Tech1Sent: 05 April 2020 19:10To: TechOps ForumSubject: [Tech1] Royal Broadcast?There can't be many cameramen who have been alone in? the same room as the queen.John H.? Virus-free. www.avast.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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John Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. -------- Original message -------- From: patheigham via Tech1 Date: 05/04/2020 20:47 (GMT+00:00) To: John Howell , TechOps Forum Subject: Re: [Tech1] Royal Broadcast ?I?m puzzled, Hibou, as your message is time stamped at 19:10, although I assume that you posted after the broadcast at 20:00. This also applies to a posting from Nick, stamped at 19:20. ? -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Sun Apr 5 15:31:01 2020 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2020 21:31:01 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Royal Broadcast In-Reply-To: <00665ce9-ae37-f39c-0b10-05157caa0c64@howell61.f9.co.uk> References: <00665ce9-ae37-f39c-0b10-05157caa0c64@howell61.f9.co.uk> Message-ID: <5e8a4003.1c69fb81.fc171.a01b@mx.google.com> Second message: Maybe one of the remote control cameras was pilfered from the BBC News studio? Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: John Howell via Tech1 Sent: 05 April 2020 19:10 To: TechOps Forum Subject: [Tech1] Royal Broadcast There can't be many cameramen who have been alone in? the same room as the queen. John H. -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Sun Apr 5 15:41:47 2020 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2020 21:41:47 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Royal Broadcast In-Reply-To: <00665ce9-ae37-f39c-0b10-05157caa0c64@howell61.f9.co.uk> References: <00665ce9-ae37-f39c-0b10-05157caa0c64@howell61.f9.co.uk> Message-ID: <5e8a4289.1c69fb81.8a81d.fc5a@mx.google.com> Ah, just seen this on a Microsoft Newsletter: The White Drawing room used was specifically chosen so that an appropriate distance could be maintained while a lone cameraman was dressed from head to toe in the type of personal protective equipment (PPE) worn by medica treating infected patients. A royal source said: ?The Queen stands shoulder to shoulder with Britain and once again demonstrated why she is one of our greatest ever monarchs.? Did he do the sound as well? Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: John Howell via Tech1 Sent: 05 April 2020 19:10 To: TechOps Forum Subject: [Tech1] Royal Broadcast There can't be many cameramen who have been alone in? the same room as the queen. John H. -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From peter.fox at zero51.force9.co.uk Sun Apr 5 15:58:06 2020 From: peter.fox at zero51.force9.co.uk (Peter Fox) Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2020 21:58:06 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] How it was In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <61074635-AC0A-496D-9B2A-20DEE7077D4E@zero51.force9.co.uk> Do you think the boom-op was hinting that there was a maybe a mite too much headroom? Peter Fox > On 5 Apr 2020, at 17:37, Barry Bonner via Tech1 wrote: > > ?Hi Dave, > I worked quite a lot of Julie Felix shows starting at the end of 1967 also on Oct.17th. in TC6 with Bish, it says we overran 15 mins! > Later on, notes in my 1968 diary from October onwards say that it was Len Shorey and Alan Edmonds and in TC8. > Nice show to work on and as I played folk guitar I got on quite well with Julie. > Barry. > > > >> On 5 Apr 2020, at 11:36, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: >> >> Nice reminder Bernie. I see from my 1967 diary I worked on the Julie Felix shows and the first two I have a note of were on Oct 10th & 17th in TC6. All subsequent recordings were from TC8 at weekly intervals each Tuesday following on from the dates of the TC6 ones. All mixed by Bish until Jan 4th 1968 when Buster Cole was SS. Not sure how long the series continued beyond then as I was no longer involved. >> >> I still have a number of Wireless World mags from the 1960?s. I?m attaching a scan of the cover from April 1968 and wonder if the featured production is in anyone?s recollection? It rings bells of recognition in my mind but it won?t come to me. Increasing number of synaptic connections missing! The cover photo was described as here (you might have thought they would have mentioned it was a D25 mic) :- >> >> >> >> Best wishes to all, >> >> Dave Newbitt. >> >> From: Bernard Newnham via Tech1 >> Sent: Sunday, April 5, 2020 9:40 AM >> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> Subject: [Tech1] How it was >> >> Sad news - Julie Felix died last week. A part of my youth, in various studios, on various shows. >> >> Long ago - 1967 - we were scheduled to do proving tests in TC6 (or was it TC8?). Somehow day 2 turned into the first Julie Felix Show, the BBC's first commissioned colour programme. It got to be on the cover of Wireless World - >> >> >> >> The front cover strangely didn't get a mention in the magazine, but I can tell you the cameramen were Robin Barnes and Paul Salinger, and the act is The Incredible String Band. >> >> I found the picture on a page on the original tech-ops site - http://www.tech-ops.co.uk/page33.html - put together on 25/04/02 for monitors that worked in 800x600. If you click on "View Source" you can marvel at ancient runes of lovingly hand coded html. >> >> B >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chris.booth at froyle.com Sun Apr 5 16:07:42 2020 From: chris.booth at froyle.com (Chris) Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2020 22:07:42 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Warship In-Reply-To: <5e8a3b2b.1c69fb81.87d9.6ee1@mx.google.com> References: <5e8a3b2b.1c69fb81.87d9.6ee1@mx.google.com> Message-ID: I edited quite a few and I can remember being told how the titles were shot. During a Force 9 Gale the ships helo, complete with cameraman kept station off the bow as the frigate steamed flat out straight at it - apparently quite a buttock clenching exercise! Chris B Sent from my iPad > On 5 Apr 2020, at 21:10, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > > ? > Didn?t work on the series, but a side story: > Actor Bryan Marshall, played Cmdr Alan Glenn, left at the end of the last episode, to take up another appointment (in the story). > Coincidentally, the Bond movie ?The Spy Who Loved Me? was released a few days after the last episode of Warship was transmitted, and Bryan turns up as captain of one of the nuclear submarines! > Maybe that was his future posting! > Pat > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > From: ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 > Sent: 05 April 2020 16:29 > To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat > Subject: [Tech1] Warship > > Calling anyone who worked on the drama series "Warship", which ran from 1973 - 1976. > > Youthful TV Historian Alex Moore is researching a book on the series, but has found a lack of information on paper. Does anyone have any interesting memories or anecdotes that they would like to pass on to him. Let me know, and I'll send his details. > > luv, Rog. > > > Virus-free. www.avast.com > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From barrybonner119 at btinternet.com Sun Apr 5 16:26:12 2020 From: barrybonner119 at btinternet.com (Barry Bonner) Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2020 22:26:12 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] How it was In-Reply-To: <61074635-AC0A-496D-9B2A-20DEE7077D4E@zero51.force9.co.uk> References: <61074635-AC0A-496D-9B2A-20DEE7077D4E@zero51.force9.co.uk> Message-ID: No, I think he?s looking in the same place as the actor! Barry. On 5 Apr 2020, at 21:58, Peter Fox wrote: > Do you think the boom-op was hinting that there was a maybe a mite too much headroom? > > Peter Fox > >> On 5 Apr 2020, at 17:37, Barry Bonner via Tech1 wrote: >> >> ?Hi Dave, >> I worked quite a lot of Julie Felix shows starting at the end of 1967 also on Oct.17th. in TC6 with Bish, it says we overran 15 mins! >> Later on, notes in my 1968 diary from October onwards say that it was Len Shorey and Alan Edmonds and in TC8. >> Nice show to work on and as I played folk guitar I got on quite well with Julie. >> Barry. >> >> >> >> On 5 Apr 2020, at 11:36, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: >> >>> Nice reminder Bernie. I see from my 1967 diary I worked on the Julie Felix shows and the first two I have a note of were on Oct 10th & 17th in TC6. All subsequent recordings were from TC8 at weekly intervals each Tuesday following on from the dates of the TC6 ones. All mixed by Bish until Jan 4th 1968 when Buster Cole was SS. Not sure how long the series continued beyond then as I was no longer involved. >>> >>> I still have a number of Wireless World mags from the 1960?s. I?m attaching a scan of the cover from April 1968 and wonder if the featured production is in anyone?s recollection? It rings bells of recognition in my mind but it won?t come to me. Increasing number of synaptic connections missing! The cover photo was described as here (you might have thought they would have mentioned it was a D25 mic) :- >>> >>> >>> >>> Best wishes to all, >>> >>> Dave Newbitt. >>> >>> From: Bernard Newnham via Tech1 >>> Sent: Sunday, April 5, 2020 9:40 AM >>> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> Subject: [Tech1] How it was >>> >>> Sad news - Julie Felix died last week. A part of my youth, in various studios, on various shows. >>> >>> Long ago - 1967 - we were scheduled to do proving tests in TC6 (or was it TC8?). Somehow day 2 turned into the first Julie Felix Show, the BBC's first commissioned colour programme. It got to be on the cover of Wireless World - >>> >>> >>> >>> The front cover strangely didn't get a mention in the magazine, but I can tell you the cameramen were Robin Barnes and Paul Salinger, and the act is The Incredible String Band. >>> >>> I found the picture on a page on the original tech-ops site - http://www.tech-ops.co.uk/page33.html - put together on 25/04/02 for monitors that worked in 800x600. If you click on "View Source" you can marvel at ancient runes of lovingly hand coded html. >>> >>> B >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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John Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. -------- Original message -------- From: patheigham via Tech1 Date: 05/04/2020 20:47 (GMT+00:00) To: John Howell , TechOps Forum Subject: Re: [Tech1] Royal Broadcast I?m puzzled, Hibou, as your message is time stamped at 19:10, although I assume that you posted after the broadcast at 20:00. This also applies to a posting from Nick, stamped at 19:20. [https://ipmcdn.avast.com/images/icons/icon-envelope-tick-round-orange-animated-no-repeat-v1.gif] Virus-free. www.avast.com -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From waresound at msn.com Sun Apr 5 18:02:24 2020 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2020 23:02:24 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Royal Broadcast In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Ah, silly me, this is Pat, so Doctor No. Nick. Sent from my iPad mini 5 On 5 Apr 2020, at 23:51, Nick Ware wrote: ? ......Err? .... You got me there. ? Oh, no, ..... wait a minute ...... gottit: which doctor? Nick (23:51) Sent from my iPad mini 5 On 5 Apr 2020, at 21:24, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: ? OK, so I worked on Dr.Who! Cue old joke: ?Knock, knock? ?Who?s there?? ?Doctor? (you know the rest!) Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: jpn via Tech1 Sent: 05 April 2020 21:17 To: TechOps Forum Subject: Re: [Tech1] Royal Broadcast I'm just reading a novel involving time travel. That might explain it. John Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. -------- Original message -------- From: patheigham via Tech1 Date: 05/04/2020 20:47 (GMT+00:00) To: John Howell , TechOps Forum Subject: Re: [Tech1] Royal Broadcast I?m puzzled, Hibou, as your message is time stamped at 19:10, although I assume that you posted after the broadcast at 20:00. This also applies to a posting from Nick, stamped at 19:20. 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You got me there. ? > Oh, no, ..... wait a minute ...... gottit: which doctor? > Nick (23:51) > Sent from my iPad mini 5 > >>> On 5 Apr 2020, at 21:24, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: >>> >> ? >> OK, so I worked on Dr.Who! >> Cue old joke: >> ?Knock, knock? >> ?Who?s there?? >> ?Doctor? >> (you know the rest!) >> >> Pat >> >> Sent from Mail for Windows 10 >> >> From: jpn via Tech1 >> Sent: 05 April 2020 21:17 >> To: TechOps Forum >> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Royal Broadcast >> >> I'm just reading a novel involving time travel. That might explain it. >> >> John >> >> >> >> Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. >> >> >> -------- Original message -------- >> From: patheigham via Tech1 >> Date: 05/04/2020 20:47 (GMT+00:00) >> To: John Howell , TechOps Forum >> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Royal Broadcast >> >> I?m puzzled, Hibou, as your message is time stamped at 19:10, although I assume that you posted after the broadcast at 20:00. >> This also applies to a posting from Nick, stamped at 19:20. >> >> >> >> Virus-free. www.avast.com >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rogerbunce at btinternet.com Mon Apr 6 03:16:49 2020 From: rogerbunce at btinternet.com (ROGER BUNCE) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2020 08:16:49 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Tech1] Royal Broadcast In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <99850761.1644791.1586161010001@mail.yahoo.com> But you didn't have to travel in time, nor wait until after Her Maj's speech because, if you had tuned into BBC News at any time in the day, you'd have seen Nicholas Witchell explaining what the Queen was GOING to say. And, if you'd listened very carefully, you might have heard my distant voice screaming at the tele, "This is NOT NEWS! News is when you tell us what has happened AFTER it has happened. Speculation and prediction should not be on the News!" Personally, I'm quite happy to wait, and hear what the Queen has to say, when she says it. And to make matters worse, - well - it was NICHOLAS bloody-creepy-toady-everso-unctuous WITCHELL! What was it Prince Charles said about him? I don't always agree with Prince Charles, but on the subjects of the Goon Show and Nicholas Witchell we are of one mind. I still haven't forgiven the man for crossing our picket line, when proper BBC Journalists, like Charles Wheeler, stood shoulder to shoulder with us! luv, Rog. On Monday, 6 April 2020, 00:02:55 BST, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: Ah, silly me, this is Pat, so Doctor No. Nick. Sent from my iPad mini 5 On 5 Apr 2020, at 23:51, Nick Ware wrote: ? ......Err? .... You got me there. ?Oh, no, ..... wait a minute ...... ?gottit: which doctor? Nick (23:51) Sent from my iPad mini 5 On 5 Apr 2020, at 21:24, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: ? OK, so I worked on Dr.Who! Cue old joke: ?Knock, knock? ?Who?s there?? ?Doctor? (you know the rest!) ? Pat ? Sent from Mail for Windows 10 ? From: jpn via Tech1 Sent: 05 April 2020 21:17 To: TechOps Forum Subject: Re: [Tech1] Royal Broadcast ? I'm just reading a novel involving time travel. That might explain it.? ? John ? ? ? Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. ? ? -------- Original message -------- From: patheigham via Tech1 Date: 05/04/2020 20:47 (GMT+00:00) To: John Howell , TechOps Forum Subject: Re: [Tech1] Royal Broadcast ? ?I?m puzzled, Hibou, as your message is time stamped at 19:10, although I assume that you posted after the broadcast at 20:00. This also applies to a posting from Nick, stamped at 19:20. ? ? | | Virus-free. www.avast.com | -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gary_critcher at yahoo.com Mon Apr 6 03:52:45 2020 From: gary_critcher at yahoo.com (Gary Critcher) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2020 08:52:45 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Tech1] Royal Broadcast In-Reply-To: <99850761.1644791.1586161010001@mail.yahoo.com> References: <99850761.1644791.1586161010001@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <864759218.1622017.1586163165935@mail.yahoo.com> ...reminds me of the line in 'Drop The Dead Donkey'...talking of their football team... 'We all want to play against BBC News, just so we can kick the shit out of Nicholas Witchell.' On Monday, 6 April 2020, 09:18:51 BST, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 wrote: But you didn't have to travel in time, nor wait until after Her Maj's speech because, if you had tuned into BBC News at any time in the day, you'd have seen Nicholas Witchell explaining what the Queen was GOING to say. And, if you'd listened very carefully, you might have heard my distant voice screaming at the tele, "This is NOT NEWS! News is when you tell us what has happened AFTER it has happened. Speculation and prediction should not be on the News!" Personally, I'm quite happy to wait, and hear what the Queen has to say, when she says it. And to make matters worse, - well - it was NICHOLAS bloody-creepy-toady-everso-unctuous WITCHELL! What was it Prince Charles said about him? I don't always agree with Prince Charles, but on the subjects of the Goon Show and Nicholas Witchell we are of one mind. I still haven't forgiven the man for crossing our picket line, when proper BBC Journalists, like Charles Wheeler, stood shoulder to shoulder with us! luv, Rog. On Monday, 6 April 2020, 00:02:55 BST, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: Ah, silly me, this is Pat, so Doctor No. Nick. Sent from my iPad mini 5 On 5 Apr 2020, at 23:51, Nick Ware wrote: ? ......Err? .... You got me there. ?Oh, no, ..... wait a minute ...... ?gottit: which doctor? Nick (23:51) Sent from my iPad mini 5 On 5 Apr 2020, at 21:24, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: ? OK, so I worked on Dr.Who! Cue old joke: ?Knock, knock? ?Who?s there?? ?Doctor? (you know the rest!) ? Pat ? Sent from Mail for Windows 10 ? From: jpn via Tech1 Sent: 05 April 2020 21:17 To: TechOps Forum Subject: Re: [Tech1] Royal Broadcast ? I'm just reading a novel involving time travel. That might explain it.? ? John ? ? ? Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. ? ? -------- Original message -------- From: patheigham via Tech1 Date: 05/04/2020 20:47 (GMT+00:00) To: John Howell , TechOps Forum Subject: Re: [Tech1] Royal Broadcast ? ?I?m puzzled, Hibou, as your message is time stamped at 19:10, although I assume that you posted after the broadcast at 20:00. This also applies to a posting from Nick, stamped at 19:20. ? ? | | Virus-free. www.avast.com | -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From phider at gmx.com Mon Apr 6 03:59:20 2020 From: phider at gmx.com (phider) Date: Mon, 06 Apr 2020 09:59:20 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Warship In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1MvK4f-1j3qgO0YHR-00rHTt@mail.gmx.com> This story was told to me by the PA the late Terry de Vaney who worked on Warship.He had to go to Plymouth dockyard to ask the Admiral for permission to film on a frigate searching, in the script, for a lone yachtsman in the English Channel. It also involved a Fleet Air Arm helicopter filming the frigate and the yacht. The Admiral's Office was in a beautiful Georgian building.? Outside his office sat his aide-de-camp in full dress uniform who ask Terry the nature of his call. Terry said he had an appointment.?The aide knocked on the door, opened it and said in very clipped tones "Couple of chappies from Beta Beta Charlie Sir."The day of filming arrived and the yacht, crewed by an able seaman, was despatched to a prearranged spot.The crew and equipment were loaded on the ship and the aerial crew went to the helicopter's base. Unfortunately one of the ship's turbines had failed and the Engineer said it would take 2 to 3 hours to replace. The Captain stood the ship down and asked the radio operator to call the yacht and tell him of the delay.The R/T was out of commission said the operator. The helicopter was by this time in the air. There was an embargo on helicopters landing on ships in the dockyard but permission in this instance was granted. As the aircraft landed it broke something on the landing gear. The Captain was informed that it could be replaced by lunchtime. They had a meal on board in the mess and by 2pm they were ready to sail. The R/T was now working but despite numerous calls to the yacht it couldn't be contacted. They sailed to the prearranged spot but after an hour of searching they made for Plymouth.Apparently the Able Seaman imagined the whole thing had been cancelled and after waiting on station for 3 hours hadgone back to the marine. No rushes that day!!Keep well and stay at home everyone.Best regardsPeter HiderSent from Samsung Mobile on O2 -------- Original message --------From: Chris via Tech1 Date: 05/04/2020 22:07 (GMT+00:00) To: patheigham Cc: Tech-Ops-chit-chat Subject: Re: [Tech1] Warship I edited quite a few and I can remember being told how the titles were shot. During a Force 9 Gale the ships helo, complete with cameraman kept station off the bow as the frigate steamed flat out straight at it - apparently quite a buttock clenching exercise!Chris BSent from my iPadOn 5 Apr 2020, at 21:10, patheigham via Tech1 wrote:?Didn?t work on the series, but a side story:Actor Bryan Marshall, played Cmdr Alan Glenn, left at the end of the last episode, to take up another appointment (in the story).Coincidentally, the Bond movie ?The Spy Who Loved Me? was released a few days after the last episode of Warship was transmitted, and Bryan turns up as captain of one of the nuclear submarines!Maybe that was his future posting!Pat?Sent from Mail for Windows 10?From: ROGER BUNCE via Tech1Sent: 05 April 2020 16:29To: Tech-Ops-chit-chatSubject: [Tech1] Warship?Calling anyone who worked on the drama series "Warship", which ran from 1973 - 1976.?Youthful TV Historian Alex Moore is researching a book on the series, but has found a lack of information on paper. Does anyone have any interesting memories or anecdotes that they would like to pass on to him. Let me know, and I'll send his details.?luv, Rog.? Virus-free. www.avast.com -- Tech1 mailing listTech1 at tech-ops.co.ukhttp://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Waresound at msn.com Mon Apr 6 04:01:09 2020 From: Waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2020 09:01:09 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Royal Broadcast In-Reply-To: <01BDE93F-9B0D-4CB6-ADCC-A52D15A98FFC@icloud.com> References: , <01BDE93F-9B0D-4CB6-ADCC-A52D15A98FFC@icloud.com> Message-ID: Yes, except that if I spelt it that way it wouldn?t make written sense. I left it to the reader to make the witty connection. You could argue that the other way round too, of course. ? Cheers, N. Sent from my iPad mini 5 On 6 Apr 2020, at 09:16, Graeme Wall wrote: ? Witch Sent from my iPad On 6 Apr 2020, at 00:43, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: ? ......Err? .... You got me there. ? Oh, no, ..... wait a minute ...... gottit: which doctor? Nick (23:51) Sent from my iPad mini 5 On 5 Apr 2020, at 21:24, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: ? OK, so I worked on Dr.Who! Cue old joke: ?Knock, knock? ?Who?s there?? ?Doctor? (you know the rest!) Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: jpn via Tech1 Sent: 05 April 2020 21:17 To: TechOps Forum Subject: Re: [Tech1] Royal Broadcast I'm just reading a novel involving time travel. That might explain it. John Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. -------- Original message -------- From: patheigham via Tech1 Date: 05/04/2020 20:47 (GMT+00:00) To: John Howell , TechOps Forum Subject: Re: [Tech1] Royal Broadcast I?m puzzled, Hibou, as your message is time stamped at 19:10, although I assume that you posted after the broadcast at 20:00. This also applies to a posting from Nick, stamped at 19:20. 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I do agree with you in abhorring the practice across countless News outlets of releasing what someone might, or could have said. It devalues everything we see, read or hear Dave D From: Tech1 On Behalf Of ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 Sent: 06 April 2020 09:17 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Royal Broadcast But you didn't have to travel in time, nor wait until after Her Maj's speech because, if you had tuned into BBC News at any time in the day, you'd have seen Nicholas Witchell explaining what the Queen was GOING to say. And, if you'd listened very carefully, you might have heard my distant voice screaming at the tele, "This is NOT NEWS! News is when you tell us what has happened AFTER it has happened. Speculation and prediction should not be on the News!" Personally, I'm quite happy to wait, and hear what the Queen has to say, when she says it. And to make matters worse, - well - it was NICHOLAS bloody-creepy-toady-everso-unctuous WITCHELL! What was it Prince Charles said about him? I don't always agree with Prince Charles, but on the subjects of the Goon Show and Nicholas Witchell we are of one mind. I still haven't forgiven the man for crossing our picket line, when proper BBC Journalists, like Charles Wheeler, stood shoulder to shoulder with us! luv, Rog. On Monday, 6 April 2020, 00:02:55 BST, Nick Ware via Tech1 > wrote: Ah, silly me, this is Pat, so Doctor No. Nick. Sent from my iPad mini 5 On 5 Apr 2020, at 23:51, Nick Ware > wrote: ? ......Err? .... You got me there. ? Oh, no, ..... wait a minute ...... gottit: which doctor? Nick (23:51) Sent from my iPad mini 5 On 5 Apr 2020, at 21:24, patheigham via Tech1 > wrote: ? OK, so I worked on Dr.Who! Cue old joke: ?Knock, knock? ?Who?s there?? ?Doctor? (you know the rest!) Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: jpn via Tech1 Sent: 05 April 2020 21:17 To: TechOps Forum Subject: Re: [Tech1] Royal Broadcast I'm just reading a novel involving time travel. That might explain it. John Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. -------- Original message -------- From: patheigham via Tech1 > Date: 05/04/2020 20:47 (GMT+00:00) To: John Howell >, TechOps Forum > Subject: Re: [Tech1] Royal Broadcast I?m puzzled, Hibou, as your message is time stamped at 19:10, although I assume that you posted after the broadcast at 20:00. This also applies to a posting from Nick, stamped at 19:20. Virus-free. www.avast.com -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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One BBC Journalist interviewing another, both agreeing with each other. Where's the dynamic? So, two journos were tied up, wasting half a bulletin, telling us something we didn't need to know, because we'd find out soon enough, and was NOT NEWS! But I have sympathy for the young lady journo, on location in a park, who said, "It's a sunny day. People are out walking, running, cycling, dogging . . ." I think she meant 'dog walking'! luv, Rog. On Monday, 6 April 2020, 10:08:51 BST, David Denness wrote: Can?t blame Auntie really. It was all releases from Buck Palace telling royal correspondents what she had said in her speech. ? I do agree with you in abhorring the practice across countless News outlets of releasing what someone might, or could have said. It devalues everything we see, read or hear ? Dave D ? From: Tech1 On Behalf Of ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 Sent: 06 April 2020 09:17 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Royal Broadcast ? But you didn't have to travel in time, nor wait until after Her Maj's speech because, if you had tuned into BBC News at any time in the day, you'd have seen Nicholas Witchell explaining what the Queen was GOING to say. And, if you'd listened very carefully, you might have heard my distant voice screaming at the tele, "This is NOT NEWS! News is when you tell us what has happened AFTER it has happened. Speculation and prediction should not be on the News!" Personally, I'm quite happy to wait, and hear what the Queen has to say, when she says it. ? And to make matters worse, - well - it was NICHOLAS bloody-creepy-toady-everso-unctuous WITCHELL! What was it Prince Charles said about him? I don't always agree with Prince Charles, but on the subjects of the Goon Show and Nicholas Witchell we are of one mind. I still haven't forgiven the man for crossing our picket line, when proper BBC Journalists, like Charles Wheeler, stood shoulder to shoulder with us! ? luv, Rog. ? On Monday, 6 April 2020, 00:02:55 BST, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: ? ? Ah, silly me, this is Pat, so Doctor No. Nick. Sent from my iPad mini 5 On 5 Apr 2020, at 23:51, Nick Ware wrote: ? ......Err? .... You got me there. ? Oh, no, ..... wait a minute ...... ?gottit: which doctor? Nick (23:51) Sent from my iPad mini 5 On 5 Apr 2020, at 21:24, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: ? OK, so I worked on Dr.Who! Cue old joke: ?Knock, knock? ?Who?s there?? ?Doctor? (you know the rest!) ? Pat ? Sent from Mail for Windows 10 ? From: jpn via Tech1 Sent: 05 April 2020 21:17 To: TechOps Forum Subject: Re: [Tech1] Royal Broadcast ? I'm just reading a novel involving time travel. That might explain it.? ? John ? ? ? Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. ? ? -------- Original message -------- From: patheigham via Tech1 Date: 05/04/2020 20:47 (GMT+00:00) To: John Howell , TechOps Forum Subject: Re: [Tech1] Royal Broadcast ? ?I?m puzzled, Hibou, as your message is time stamped at 19:10, although I assume that you posted after the broadcast at 20:00. This also applies to a posting from Nick, stamped at 19:20. ? ? ? | | Virus-free. www.avast.com | -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From homebrianlesley at gmail.com Mon Apr 6 05:50:28 2020 From: homebrianlesley at gmail.com (Brian White) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2020 11:50:28 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Have you heard this one? Message-ID: Just 4 passengers on a VIP Jet Donald Trump, Boris Johnson, Angela Merkel plus her 10 year old grandson. Emergency call from the Pilot; "Mayday - you'll have to bale out - parachutes in the locker." They open it to find ONLY 3 chutes!! Trump steps forward; " Sorry All, but I am World No 1 Person - He jumps out! Boris says "As I always follow Donald, I just have to go and steps out! Angela turns in panic to her grandson who says "Don't worry Granny, when Trump left he TOOK MY SATCHEL". -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <585cf76da3dave@davesound.co.uk> It's good to know recycling is alive and well. ;-) In article , Brian White via Tech1 wrote: > Just 4 passengers on a VIP Jet > Donald Trump, Boris Johnson, Angela Merkel > plus her 10 year old grandson. > Emergency call from the Pilot; > "Mayday - you'll have to bale out - parachutes > in the locker." > They open it to find ONLY 3 chutes!! > Trump steps forward; " Sorry All, but I am > World No 1 Person - He jumps out! > Boris says "As I always follow Donald, > I just have to go and steps out! > Angela turns in panic to her grandson > who says "Don't worry Granny, > when Trump left he TOOK MY SATCHEL". -- *Learn from your parents' mistakes - use birth control. Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From mikej at bmanor.co.uk Mon Apr 6 08:56:29 2020 From: mikej at bmanor.co.uk (Mike Jordan) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2020 14:56:29 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] PATRICK has shared content with you from MSN In-Reply-To: <5e8b2359.1c69fb81.1424d.9d2f@mx.google.com> References: <5e8b2359.1c69fb81.1424d.9d2f@mx.google.com> Message-ID: That Maldives beach view looks like the one Bernard used when he arranged the Zoom meetup! Mike From: patheigham via Tech1 Sent: Monday, April 06, 2020 1:40 PM To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: [Tech1] PATRICK has shared content with you from MSN Death in Paradise? https://a.msn.com/r/2/BB12d67X?m=en-gb&ocid=News -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gary_critcher at yahoo.com Mon Apr 6 10:40:16 2020 From: gary_critcher at yahoo.com (Gary Critcher) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2020 15:40:16 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Tech1] help! Colour correction on 35mm negs? References: <923602077.2443339.1586187616470.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <923602077.2443339.1586187616470@mail.yahoo.com> lads, please take a look at the attached two scans from some 1985 colour negs.?The whole film (s) are scanning like this, the film is some sort of funny Kodak film.There is nothing on the neg strips to tell me what the film is. ? Can anyone, in layman's terms, tell how I can 'white balance' these scans so that the whites are actually white??At the moment they are all slightly blue, as you can see on the white engine cover of the car. I have already done an 'Auto Colour', 'Auto Contrast' and 'Auto Tone' in Photoshop on them and that usually improves things no end but not this time. ? Help! ?Hope you are all staying safe (and sane). ?all the best,??? Gary C -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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You can easily reset if you are not happy and try an alternative area to click on. Superficially similar colour areas in the image often produce very different results and sometimes if you zoom in on your image you can utilise a very small feature to click on with some benefit. Earlier versions of Elements had different paths to the ?Remove a Colour Cast? feature but are likely to be equally effective. Good luck and I hope I?m not insulting by mentioning something you already knew, Dave Newbitt. From: Gary Critcher via Tech1 Sent: Monday, April 6, 2020 4:40 PM To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat Subject: [Tech1] help! Colour correction on 35mm negs? lads, please take a look at the attached two scans from some 1985 colour negs. The whole film (s) are scanning like this, the film is some sort of funny Kodak film. There is nothing on the neg strips to tell me what the film is. Can anyone, in layman's terms, tell how I can 'white balance' these scans so that the whites are actually white?? At the moment they are all slightly blue, as you can see on the white engine cover of the car. I have already done an 'Auto Colour', 'Auto Contrast' and 'Auto Tone' in Photoshop on them and that usually improves things no end but not this time. Help! Hope you are all staying safe (and sane). all the best, Gary C -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Mon Apr 6 13:07:48 2020 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2020 19:07:48 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Panic! Message-ID: Oh, no! We are down to 8 toilet rolls! The recommended usage, as detailed on the wrapper, is 4 sheets per 'sheet', so that is 25 'sheets' per roll at 100 sheets/roll. So all in all, that's a maximum of 200 'sheets' we have in stock. Will that be enough for the two of us? Suppose I want to blow my nose on a single sheet, that will reduce the number of 'sheets' that we can have! Life gets complicated these days! Cheers, Dave From david.beer at talktalk.net Mon Apr 6 13:39:45 2020 From: david.beer at talktalk.net (David Beer) Date: Mon, 06 Apr 2020 19:39:45 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Panic! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: My wife finally tracked down a pack of toilet rolls in Waitrose last week, but left them at the checkout after she packed the rest of the shopping! The present day equivalent of leaving an old master in the back of a taxi! ?Get BlueMail for Android ? On 6 Apr 2020, 19:07, at 19:07, "dave.mdv via Tech1" wrote: >Oh, no! We are down to 8 toilet rolls! The recommended usage, as >detailed on the wrapper, is 4 sheets per 'sheet', so that is 25 >'sheets' >per roll at 100 sheets/roll. So all in all, that's a maximum of 200 >'sheets' we have in stock. Will that be enough for the two of us? >Suppose I want to blow my nose on a single sheet, that will reduce the >number of 'sheets' that we can have! Life gets complicated these days! >Cheers, Dave > > >-- >Tech1 mailing list >Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alawrance1 at me.com Mon Apr 6 13:44:09 2020 From: alawrance1 at me.com (Alasdair Lawrance) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2020 19:44:09 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Panic! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <368085C8-EF1F-405E-9D22-D3F5EE1B33C3@me.com> We finally tracked some down at our local Co-op. 5ply. 5ply!!!!!! Not tried it yet, will report back, if it hasn?t blocked everything..... Alasdair Lawrance Don?t blame me, I voted Remain. > On 6 Apr 2020, at 19:40, David Beer via Tech1 wrote: > > ? > My wife finally tracked down a pack of toilet rolls in Waitrose last week, but left them at the checkout after she packed the rest of the shopping! The present day equivalent of leaving an old master in the back of a taxi! > > Get BlueMail for Android >> On 6 Apr 2020, at 19:07, "dave.mdv via Tech1" wrote: >> Oh, no! We are down to 8 toilet rolls! The recommended usage, as >> detailed on the wrapper, is 4 sheets per 'sheet', so that is 25 'sheets' >> per roll at 100 sheets/roll. So all in all, that's a maximum of 200 >> 'sheets' we have in stock. Will that be enough for the two of us? >> Suppose I want to blow my nose on a single sheet, that will reduce the >> number of 'sheets' that we can have! 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In-Reply-To: <923602077.2443339.1586187616470@mail.yahoo.com> References: <923602077.2443339.1586187616470.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <923602077.2443339.1586187616470@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <97b3a6da-3f2d-18a4-485c-1f8b2cb90658@gmail.com> Hi Gary Here are a couple of attempts.? In Photoshop CS6 I did Image > Adjustments > Hue and saturation.? I clicked the hand in the bottom left of the window - it goes blue. Then you can take a dropper to the area you want to change, in this case the white of the car, and click. It selects the correct colour range in the drop box. ? Then I turned the saturation down to nothing and adjusted up the lightness.? If the results aren't what you need, maybe some variation on that will fix it to your satisfaction cheers B On 06/04/2020 16:40, Gary Critcher via Tech1 wrote: > lads, please take a look at the attached two scans from some 1985 > colour negs. > ?The whole film (s) are scanning like this, the film is some sort of > funny Kodak film. > There is nothing on the neg strips to tell me what the film is. > > ? Can anyone, in layman's terms, tell how I can 'white balance' these > scans so that the whites are actually white?? > At the moment they are all slightly blue, as you can see on the white > engine cover of the car. > > I have already done an 'Auto Colour', 'Auto Contrast' and 'Auto Tone' > in Photoshop on them and that usually improves things no end but not > this time. > > > ? Help! > > > > > > ?Hope you are all staying safe (and sane). > > > ?all the best, > ??? Gary C > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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However it does seem to me that the entire colour spectrum of the images shows excess blue and if the process suggested just deals with a particular part of the pictures then won?t everything else still look wrong? When Gary referred to ?white balance? being wrong (which does look to me to be the case) I looked at the simplest means of adjustment and suggested dealing with it as a colour cast. Dave Newbitt. From: Bernard Newnham via Tech1 Sent: Monday, April 6, 2020 9:13 PM To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] help! Colour correction on 35mm negs? Hi Gary Here are a couple of attempts. In Photoshop CS6 I did Image > Adjustments > Hue and saturation. I clicked the hand in the bottom left of the window - it goes blue. Then you can take a dropper to the area you want to change, in this case the white of the car, and click. It selects the correct colour range in the drop box. Then I turned the saturation down to nothing and adjusted up the lightness. If the results aren't what you need, maybe some variation on that will fix it to your satisfaction cheers B On 06/04/2020 16:40, Gary Critcher via Tech1 wrote: lads, please take a look at the attached two scans from some 1985 colour negs. The whole film (s) are scanning like this, the film is some sort of funny Kodak film. There is nothing on the neg strips to tell me what the film is. Can anyone, in layman's terms, tell how I can 'white balance' these scans so that the whites are actually white?? At the moment they are all slightly blue, as you can see on the white engine cover of the car. I have already done an 'Auto Colour', 'Auto Contrast' and 'Auto Tone' in Photoshop on them and that usually improves things no end but not this time. Help! 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I think Bernie?s result is better than mine, but this took under a minute and might be a more cost effective solution than Photoshop. The problem here is that it?s not a question of white balance as we know it in video, but in a photo emulsion there are three separate dye layers that can fade or discolour in arbitrary ways. And if you zoom in on the white car body, there are granular signs of fungus. I think the latter is the root of the problem. If I could discover who I lent my 35mm film scanner to, I?d offer to lend it to you now. It had pretty comprehensive correction tools in the actual scanning process. My life would be empty without Corel Paintshop Pro! Cheers, Nick. [cid:1E69B7C8-0012-4951-9CDF-5A5B0AE654AF] Sent from my iPad mini 5 On 6 Apr 2020, at 17:51, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: ? Hi Gary, I assume you have one or other version of Photoshop Elements rather than the ?get a bank loan full version?. I currently use Elements 2018 in which (in Expert rather than Quick mode) you can select Enhance > Colour > Remove Colour Cast. Click on a part of your image that should be white and assess the change introduced. You can easily reset if you are not happy and try an alternative area to click on. Superficially similar colour areas in the image often produce very different results and sometimes if you zoom in on your image you can utilise a very small feature to click on with some benefit. Earlier versions of Elements had different paths to the ?Remove a Colour Cast? feature but are likely to be equally effective. Good luck and I hope I?m not insulting by mentioning something you already knew, Dave Newbitt. From: Gary Critcher via Tech1 Sent: Monday, April 6, 2020 4:40 PM To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat Subject: [Tech1] help! Colour correction on 35mm negs? lads, please take a look at the attached two scans from some 1985 colour negs. The whole film (s) are scanning like this, the film is some sort of funny Kodak film. There is nothing on the neg strips to tell me what the film is. Can anyone, in layman's terms, tell how I can 'white balance' these scans so that the whites are actually white?? At the moment they are all slightly blue, as you can see on the white engine cover of the car. I have already done an 'Auto Colour', 'Auto Contrast' and 'Auto Tone' in Photoshop on them and that usually improves things no end but not this time. Help! Hope you are all staying safe (and sane). all the best, Gary C ________________________________ -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Can anyone, in layman's terms, tell how I can 'white balance' these scans so that the whites are actually white?? At the moment they are all slightly blue, as you can see on the white engine cover of the car. I have already done an 'Auto Colour', 'Auto Contrast' and 'Auto Tone' in Photoshop on them and that usually improves things no end but not this time. Help! Hope you are all staying safe (and sane). all the best, Gary C -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: scan37.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 227739 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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On 05/04/2020 20:47, patheigham wrote: > > Well, if it was a dubbing session, HM would have needed a 2m long sword! > > I?m puzzled, Hibou, as your message is time stamped at 19:10, although > I assume that you posted after the broadcast at 20:00. > > This also applies to a posting from Nick, stamped at 19:20. > > Both my laptop and tablet are displaying the correct time (BST). > > Thoughts? > > Pat > > Sent from Mail for > Windows 10 > > *From: *John Howell via Tech1 > *Sent: *05 April 2020 19:10 > *To: *TechOps Forum > *Subject: *[Tech1] Royal Broadcast > > There can't be many cameramen who have been alone in? the same room as > the queen. > > John H. > > > > Virus-free. www.avast.com > > > > <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Tue Apr 7 03:37:49 2020 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2020 09:37:49 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Royal Broadcast In-Reply-To: References: <00665ce9-ae37-f39c-0b10-05157caa0c64@howell61.f9.co.uk> <5e8a35c2.1c69fb81.323f4.643d@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <5e8c3bdc.1c69fb81.a9093.c3c8@mx.google.com> Mystery solved! Thanks for replying, Hibou. Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: John Howell Sent: 07 April 2020 09:23 To: patheigham; TechOps Forum Subject: Re: [Tech1] Royal Broadcast I posted my email before the broadcast so your clocks are correct. The info was on the BBC lunchtime news. Hibou. On 05/04/2020 20:47, patheigham wrote: Well, if it was a dubbing session, HM would have needed a 2m long sword! ? I?m puzzled, Hibou, as your message is time stamped at 19:10, although I assume that you posted after the broadcast at 20:00. This also applies to a posting from Nick, stamped at 19:20. ? Both my laptop and tablet are displaying the correct time (BST). Thoughts? Pat ? ? Sent from Mail for Windows 10 ? From: John Howell via Tech1 Sent: 05 April 2020 19:10 To: TechOps Forum Subject: [Tech1] Royal Broadcast ? There can't be many cameramen who have been alone in? the same room as the queen. John H. ? Virus-free. www.avast.com -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From waresound at msn.com Tue Apr 7 05:28:40 2020 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2020 10:28:40 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] help! Colour correction on 35mm negs? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Looking it my version of this in cold light of day, or rather gorgeous glorious sunshine, let me be the first to say it looks pretty mediocre on iPad, nothing like on my computer! Hey-ho.... But the PSP recommendation still stands. Nick. Sent from my iPad mini 5 On 6 Apr 2020, at 23:17, Nick Ware wrote: ?I?ve used Corel Paintshop Pro for more than 25 years. There?s a stripped down version, but for me, a lifelong photo fanatic, the 2020 version at a one-off price of ?79 is a no-brainier. The attached was a one click ?One stop photo restore?, then 15 seconds fiddling in the ?Hue, saturation and lightness? tool, which arrived at the attached. Not sure what colour the car is supposed to be, but if it?s not right there?s still plenty of scope for tweaking. I think Bernie?s result is better than mine, but this took under a minute and might be a more cost effective solution than Photoshop. The problem here is that it?s not a question of white balance as we know it in video, but in a photo emulsion there are three separate dye layers that can fade or discolour in arbitrary ways. And if you zoom in on the white car body, there are granular signs of fungus. I think the latter is the root of the problem. If I could discover who I lent my 35mm film scanner to, I?d offer to lend it to you now. It had pretty comprehensive correction tools in the actual scanning process. My life would be empty without Corel Paintshop Pro! Cheers, Sent from my iPad mini 5 On 6 Apr 2020, at 17:51, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: ? Hi Gary, I assume you have one or other version of Photoshop Elements rather than the ?get a bank loan full version?. I currently use Elements 2018 in which (in Expert rather than Quick mode) you can select Enhance > Colour > Remove Colour Cast. Click on a part of your image that should be white and assess the change introduced. You can easily reset if you are not happy and try an alternative area to click on. Superficially similar colour areas in the image often produce very different results and sometimes if you zoom in on your image you can utilise a very small feature to click on with some benefit. Earlier versions of Elements had different paths to the ?Remove a Colour Cast? feature but are likely to be equally effective. Good luck and I hope I?m not insulting by mentioning something you already knew, Dave Newbitt. From: Gary Critcher via Tech1 Sent: Monday, April 6, 2020 4:40 PM To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat Subject: [Tech1] help! Colour correction on 35mm negs? lads, please take a look at the attached two scans from some 1985 colour negs. The whole film (s) are scanning like this, the film is some sort of funny Kodak film. There is nothing on the neg strips to tell me what the film is. Can anyone, in layman's terms, tell how I can 'white balance' these scans so that the whites are actually white?? At the moment they are all slightly blue, as you can see on the white engine cover of the car. I have already done an 'Auto Colour', 'Auto Contrast' and 'Auto Tone' in Photoshop on them and that usually improves things no end but not this time. Help! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image0.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 299312 bytes Desc: image0.jpeg URL: From bernie833 at gmail.com Tue Apr 7 05:42:56 2020 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2020 11:42:56 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] help! Colour correction on 35mm negs? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <824a5679-d0e4-ebb3-70f2-6b06b07a2ab9@gmail.com> Yes, you certainly don't need to spend loadsamoney on Photoshop. I got my copy when you still paid cash, not rent, and I got it as part of the education version of the Adobe Creative Suite for a very cut down cost. Adobe were trying to catch university students (and lecturers) early, in the same way that Blackmagic do now with free DVR.? I don't know Corel Paint, but I have tried Affinity Photo, currently ?23.99, and it's very good. B On 07/04/2020 11:28, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: > Looking it my version of this in cold light of day, or rather gorgeous > glorious sunshine, let me be the first to say it looks pretty mediocre > on iPad, nothing like on my computer! Hey-ho.... > But the PSP recommendation still stands. > Nick. > Sent from my iPad mini 5 > >> On 6 Apr 2020, at 23:17, Nick Ware wrote: >> ?I?ve used Corel Paintshop Pro for more than 25 years. There?s a >> stripped down version, but for me, a lifelong photo fanatic, the 2020 >> version at a one-off price of ?79 is a no-brainier. >> The attached was a one click ?One stop photo restore?, then 15 >> seconds fiddling in the ?Hue, saturation and lightness? tool, which >> arrived at the attached. Not sure what colour the car is supposed to >> be, but if it?s not right there?s still plenty of scope for tweaking. >> I think Bernie?s result is better than mine, but this took under a >> minute and might be a more cost effective solution than Photoshop. >> The problem here is that it?s not a question of white balance as we >> know it in video, but in a photo emulsion there are three separate >> dye layers that can fade or discolour in arbitrary ways. And if you >> zoom in on the white car body, there are granular signs of fungus. I >> think the latter is the root of the problem. >> If I could discover who I lent my 35mm film scanner to, I?d offer to >> lend it to you ?now. It had pretty comprehensive correction tools in >> the actual scanning process. >> My life would be empty without Corel Paintshop Pro! >> Cheers, >> >> Sent from my iPad mini 5 >> >>> On 6 Apr 2020, at 17:51, David Newbitt via Tech1 >>> wrote: >>> >>> ? >>> Hi Gary, >>> I assume you have one or other version of Photoshop Elements rather >>> than the ?get a bank loan full version?. I currently use Elements >>> 2018 in which (in Expert rather than Quick mode) you can select >>> Enhance > Colour > Remove Colour Cast. Click on a part of your image >>> that should be white and assess the change introduced. You can >>> easily reset if you are not happy and try an alternative area to >>> click on. Superficially similar colour areas in the image often >>> produce very different results and sometimes if you zoom in on your >>> image you can utilise a very small feature to click on with some >>> benefit. >>> Earlier versions of Elements had different paths to the ?Remove a >>> Colour Cast? feature but are likely to be equally effective. >>> Good luck and I hope I?m not insulting by mentioning something you >>> already knew, >>> Dave Newbitt. >>> *From:* Gary Critcher via Tech1 >>> *Sent:* Monday, April 6, 2020 4:40 PM >>> *To:* Tech-Ops-chit-chat >>> *Subject:* [Tech1] help! Colour correction on 35mm negs? >>> lads, please take a look at the attached two scans from some 1985 >>> colour negs. >>> The whole film (s) are scanning like this, the film is some sort of >>> funny Kodak film. >>> There is nothing on the neg strips to tell me what the film is. >>> ? Can anyone, in layman's terms, tell how I can 'white balance' >>> these scans so that the whites are actually white?? >>> At the moment they are all slightly blue, as you can see on the >>> white engine cover of the car. >>> I have already done an 'Auto Colour', 'Auto Contrast' and 'Auto >>> Tone' in Photoshop on them and that usually improves things no end >>> but not this time. >>> Help! >>> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From simoncmorris at mac.com Tue Apr 7 06:01:09 2020 From: simoncmorris at mac.com (Simon Morris) Date: Tue, 07 Apr 2020 12:01:09 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] help! Colour correction on 35mm negs? In-Reply-To: <824a5679-d0e4-ebb3-70f2-6b06b07a2ab9@gmail.com> References: <824a5679-d0e4-ebb3-70f2-6b06b07a2ab9@gmail.com> Message-ID: <425823F7-DA8F-443D-995B-746D94BECB38@mac.com> There is a program called GIMP that is free and is a lot like Photoshop. Worth a look .... for Windoze, Mac and Linux. Cheers Simon On 7 April 2020 11:42:56 BST, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: >Yes, you certainly don't need to spend loadsamoney on Photoshop. I got >my copy when you still paid cash, not rent, and I got it as part of the > >education version of the Adobe Creative Suite for a very cut down cost. > >Adobe were trying to catch university students (and lecturers) early, >in >the same way that Blackmagic do now with free DVR.? I don't know Corel >Paint, but I have tried Affinity Photo, currently ?23.99, and it's very > >good. > >B > > > >On 07/04/2020 11:28, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: >> Looking it my version of this in cold light of day, or rather >gorgeous >> glorious sunshine, let me be the first to say it looks pretty >mediocre >> on iPad, nothing like on my computer! Hey-ho.... >> But the PSP recommendation still stands. >> Nick. >> Sent from my iPad mini 5 >> >>> On 6 Apr 2020, at 23:17, Nick Ware wrote: >>> ?I?ve used Corel Paintshop Pro for more than 25 years. There?s a >>> stripped down version, but for me, a lifelong photo fanatic, the >2020 >>> version at a one-off price of ?79 is a no-brainier. >>> The attached was a one click ?One stop photo restore?, then 15 >>> seconds fiddling in the ?Hue, saturation and lightness? tool, which >>> arrived at the attached. Not sure what colour the car is supposed to > >>> be, but if it?s not right there?s still plenty of scope for >tweaking. >>> I think Bernie?s result is better than mine, but this took under a >>> minute and might be a more cost effective solution than Photoshop. >>> The problem here is that it?s not a question of white balance as we >>> know it in video, but in a photo emulsion there are three separate >>> dye layers that can fade or discolour in arbitrary ways. And if you >>> zoom in on the white car body, there are granular signs of fungus. I > >>> think the latter is the root of the problem. >>> If I could discover who I lent my 35mm film scanner to, I?d offer to > >>> lend it to you ?now. It had pretty comprehensive correction tools in > >>> the actual scanning process. >>> My life would be empty without Corel Paintshop Pro! >>> Cheers, >>> >>> Sent from my iPad mini 5 >>> >>>> On 6 Apr 2020, at 17:51, David Newbitt via Tech1 >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> ? >>>> Hi Gary, >>>> I assume you have one or other version of Photoshop Elements rather > >>>> than the ?get a bank loan full version?. I currently use Elements >>>> 2018 in which (in Expert rather than Quick mode) you can select >>>> Enhance > Colour > Remove Colour Cast. Click on a part of your >image >>>> that should be white and assess the change introduced. You can >>>> easily reset if you are not happy and try an alternative area to >>>> click on. Superficially similar colour areas in the image often >>>> produce very different results and sometimes if you zoom in on your > >>>> image you can utilise a very small feature to click on with some >>>> benefit. >>>> Earlier versions of Elements had different paths to the ?Remove a >>>> Colour Cast? feature but are likely to be equally effective. >>>> Good luck and I hope I?m not insulting by mentioning something you >>>> already knew, >>>> Dave Newbitt. >>>> *From:* Gary Critcher via Tech1 >>>> *Sent:* Monday, April 6, 2020 4:40 PM >>>> *To:* Tech-Ops-chit-chat >>>> *Subject:* [Tech1] help! Colour correction on 35mm negs? >>>> lads, please take a look at the attached two scans from some 1985 >>>> colour negs. >>>> The whole film (s) are scanning like this, the film is some sort of > >>>> funny Kodak film. >>>> There is nothing on the neg strips to tell me what the film is. >>>> ? Can anyone, in layman's terms, tell how I can 'white balance' >>>> these scans so that the whites are actually white?? >>>> At the moment they are all slightly blue, as you can see on the >>>> white engine cover of the car. >>>> I have already done an 'Auto Colour', 'Auto Contrast' and 'Auto >>>> Tone' in Photoshop on them and that usually improves things no end >>>> but not this time. >>>> Help! >>>> >> -- Planet Cosmo EE iCloud -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On 7 Apr 2020, at 16:02, Garth Tucker via Tech1 wrote: > Hi, > > Here?s one taken in the middle of Suburbia, Twickenham to be exact (Crane Park). > > Garth > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Yeading Brook.JPG Type: image/jpg Size: 882918 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jpn at imixmics.co.uk Tue Apr 7 11:00:52 2020 From: jpn at imixmics.co.uk (jpn) Date: Tue, 07 Apr 2020 17:00:52 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Gothic the Fifth In-Reply-To: <1485911087.3449016.1586272138012@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Got that thank you. Does that mean you're sending out Pt3 again for those of us like me who missed it last time?JohnSent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. -------- Original message --------From: ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 Date: 07/04/2020 16:08 (GMT+00:00) To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat Subject: [Tech1] Gothic the Fifth And now, the moment you've all been waiting for - the Fifth Chapter of "Gothic by Gaslight", the Ultimate Gothic Horror Story - in which our heroes visit an opium den in Limehouse, Doctor Watson recognises an old friend, and we first learn of "The Black Book of Thoth".(If it's not attached, let me know. Some people don't receive Chapter Three.)luv, Rog. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I had little to do with its subsequent use, but I believe the cameras spent most of their use on Ronford (?) fluid heads rather than hand held. The LPU was the ?proper? new-build unit built to continue the role of the experimental LMCR. CMCR15 was built as a full facilities two camera unit, originally intended to have two LDK5 cameras, but changed late in the build to have two KCR40s, and it was generally known as the LMCR. Dave Le Breton From: Brian Summers via Tech1 Sent: Saturday, April 04, 2020 9:25 PM To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Hand-Held Camera Hello, I thought you might like to see a copy of the Bosch Brochure for the KCR40 . http://www.tvcameramuseum.org/pdfs/bosch/kcr40brocsmall.pdf There was also the fully portable version with backpack the KCN92 Regards Brian From: Tech1 [mailto:tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk] On Behalf Of Nick Ware via Tech1 Sent: 04 April 2020 15:36 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Hand-Held Camera ?A fascinating story Pat. But I?m struggling to understand how the tube was able to shift half an inch (I presume you mean laterally?). The tube yolks were hard mounted, indeed, part of the prism block assembly. Given that it was a half inch tube, how was there any image to pull back electronically? My picture is of an Ikegami HL79D 3 tube prism/tube assembly that I kept as an ornament when the camera was skipped - very similar to Its Sony contemporaries - and you can probably see that there?s no scope for tube movement. I?m intrigued to know how you did it. Cheers, Nick. Sent from my iPad mini 5 On 4 Apr 2020, at 14:28, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: ? While I am unfamiliar with this camera, it looks as if it was a 3-tube device? I have a salutary story to relate about 3-tube: I blessed the BBC training on occasion whilst freelance! En route from Luton to Montreux for a corporate shoot, launching the Rover 800, me on sound - my cameraman and I were half asleep at an early hour, and accidentally sent the camera (think it was a Sony 330) in its hard travel case through baggage handling, instead of hand carrying which was more usual and safer. Spent the afternoon with the demo car - ups and pasts and p.o.v. through the windscreen on the winding Swiss roads. Checking back the footage in colour in the hotel room (B/W viewfinder!) cameraman says: "Should there be a red border along the white lines of the road" No!!!! A call, on a Saturday afternoon, to the facilities service chap (an LWT camera tech, luckily at home) set us in motion to re-line up the camera. "Have you got a cross hatch chart?" No, but there's a brick wall opposite the hotel room - the mortar lines served well! Under instruction, I realised that the line-up was very similar to a vidicon procedure, and vision training all came flooding back. We got away with a reasonable picture for the chairman's keynote piece to camera the following day, and I never heard a word. Back at base, it was discovered that the red tube had shifted half an inch in its clamp mounting, so was well out of registration. But we pulled it back electronically - though, perhaps maybe we should not have kept the complimentary Burberry scarf, but I did! Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 Sent: 04 April 2020 11:52 To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat Subject: [Tech1] Hand-Held Camera Many thanks to Graham, Dudley, Doug, Tony, Dave and Simon, who have helped to identify the historic hand-held camera. And great to hear from you all. Doug Caldwell even remembers taking the shot. I shall label it a 'Bosch-Fernseh KCR-40', unless anyone desperately wants to dispute the model number. I should remember these things myself, but it's all fading! luv, Rog Virus-free. www.avast.com -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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There seems little evidence for either but it?s one hell of a tree, now gradually falling to pieces in old age. As it currently is in a swamp I don?t know the girth but the fence posts are 3 x 3 which gives a clue to its bulk. Dave Newbitt. From: Bernard Newnham via Tech1 Sent: Friday, April 3, 2020 3:57 PM To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: [Tech1] Walking We've just been on our afternoon walk. It looks pretty, but after a fortnight can pall a bit. We were thinking of getting in the car and going to Horsell Common, just down the road - maybe spot a Martian - but then I saw a pic in the local paper showing that Surrrey CC has blocked all the car parks. There'll come a time, quite soon, virus or no virus, that people will get fed up...... 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In-Reply-To: <824a5679-d0e4-ebb3-70f2-6b06b07a2ab9@gmail.com> References: <824a5679-d0e4-ebb3-70f2-6b06b07a2ab9@gmail.com> Message-ID: <3D68C963-8B12-48C6-8573-0A8AA367129C@me.com> I remember a time when a full version of Photoshop ( probably version 3.0 ) was often bundled for free when you bought a good quality scanner. More recently, an artist friend of mine was delighted to get a free scanner thrown in when she bought a full version of Photoshop. When you think about it, it's probably much the same deal but the opposite way around. Alan Taylor On 7 Apr 2020, at 7 Apr . 11:42, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: > Yes, you certainly don't need to spend loadsamoney on Photoshop. I got my copy when you still paid cash, not rent, and I got it as part of the education version of the Adobe Creative Suite for a very cut down cost. Adobe were trying to catch university students (and lecturers) early, in the same way that Blackmagic do now with free DVR. I don't know Corel Paint, but I have tried Affinity Photo, currently ?23.99, and it's very good. > > B > > > > On 07/04/2020 11:28, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: >> Looking it my version of this in cold light of day, or rather gorgeous glorious sunshine, let me be the first to say it looks pretty mediocre on iPad, nothing like on my computer! Hey-ho.... >> But the PSP recommendation still stands. >> Nick. >> Sent from my iPad mini 5 >> >>> On 6 Apr 2020, at 23:17, Nick Ware wrote: >>> ?I?ve used Corel Paintshop Pro for more than 25 years. There?s a stripped down version, but for me, a lifelong photo fanatic, the 2020 version at a one-off price of ?79 is a no-brainier. >>> The attached was a one click ?One stop photo restore?, then 15 seconds fiddling in the ?Hue, saturation and lightness? tool, which arrived at the attached. Not sure what colour the car is supposed to be, but if it?s not right there?s still plenty of scope for tweaking. I think Bernie?s result is better than mine, but this took under a minute and might be a more cost effective solution than Photoshop. >>> The problem here is that it?s not a question of white balance as we know it in video, but in a photo emulsion there are three separate dye layers that can fade or discolour in arbitrary ways. And if you zoom in on the white car body, there are granular signs of fungus. I think the latter is the root of the problem. >>> If I could discover who I lent my 35mm film scanner to, I?d offer to lend it to you now. It had pretty comprehensive correction tools in the actual scanning process. >>> My life would be empty without Corel Paintshop Pro! >>> Cheers, >>> >>> Sent from my iPad mini 5 >>> >>>> On 6 Apr 2020, at 17:51, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: >>>> >>>> ? >>>> Hi Gary, >>>> >>>> I assume you have one or other version of Photoshop Elements rather than the ?get a bank loan full version?. I currently use Elements 2018 in which (in Expert rather than Quick mode) you can select Enhance > Colour > Remove Colour Cast. Click on a part of your image that should be white and assess the change introduced. You can easily reset if you are not happy and try an alternative area to click on. Superficially similar colour areas in the image often produce very different results and sometimes if you zoom in on your image you can utilise a very small feature to click on with some benefit. >>>> >>>> Earlier versions of Elements had different paths to the ?Remove a Colour Cast? feature but are likely to be equally effective. >>>> >>>> Good luck and I hope I?m not insulting by mentioning something you already knew, >>>> >>>> Dave Newbitt. >>>> >>>> From: Gary Critcher via Tech1 >>>> Sent: Monday, April 6, 2020 4:40 PM >>>> To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat >>>> Subject: [Tech1] help! Colour correction on 35mm negs? >>>> >>>> lads, please take a look at the attached two scans from some 1985 colour negs. >>>> The whole film (s) are scanning like this, the film is some sort of funny Kodak film. >>>> There is nothing on the neg strips to tell me what the film is. >>>> >>>> Can anyone, in layman's terms, tell how I can 'white balance' these scans so that the whites are actually white?? >>>> At the moment they are all slightly blue, as you can see on the white engine cover of the car. >>>> >>>> I have already done an 'Auto Colour', 'Auto Contrast' and 'Auto Tone' in Photoshop on them and that usually improves things no end but not this time. >>>> >>>> >>>> Help! >>>> >> > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Alan > On 8 Apr 2020, at 09:53, Mike Jordan via Tech1 wrote: > > ? > Radio Times just delivered yesterday and now opened to read as CVirus should have died by now! > > We have all got used to the use of ?filmed? when talking about programmes recorded earlier, the RT,Talking of Easter day on BBC4, it informs us that, due to the lockdown, Sacred Heat was an admirable feat by the BBC Music Department who pulled together this ?virtual concert? > ?It was directed via a videolink (only one?) with all 19 choristers TAPED (sic) separately from their own homes?. > Presumably on DigiBetas so the quality maintained for later editing. > > Mike (time for laughs needed nowadays) > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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We could do that and I'll edit it on DVR B On 08/04/2020 09:52, Mike Jordan via Tech1 wrote: > Radio Times just delivered yesterday and now opened to read as CVirus > should have died by now! > We have all got used to the use of ?*filmed*? when talking about > programmes recorded earlier, the RT,Talking of Easter day on BBC4, it > informs us that, due to the lockdown, Sacred Heat was an admirable > feat by the BBC Music Department who pulled together this ?virtual > concert? > ?It was directed via a videolink (only one?) with all 19 choristers > *TAPED* (sic) separately from their own homes?. > Presumably on DigiBetas so the quality maintained for later editing. > Mike (time for laughs needed nowadays) > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From techtone at protonmail.com Wed Apr 8 05:51:21 2020 From: techtone at protonmail.com (techtone) Date: Wed, 08 Apr 2020 10:51:21 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Cat's perspective Message-ID: Crisis, what crisis? TeaTeaFN - Tony Sent with [ProtonMail](https://protonmail.com) Secure Email. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image-2.png Type: image/png Size: 441575 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image-3.png Type: image/png Size: 1197554 bytes Desc: not available URL: From mikej at bmanor.co.uk Wed Apr 8 07:19:29 2020 From: mikej at bmanor.co.uk (Mike Jordan) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2020 13:19:29 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Early mini-cam (joke) Message-ID: Shown on a Dover lifeboat OB probably in early 60s. Just the camera for the job! And of course featuring the famous Raymond Baxter who flew Spitfires at end of WW II as did my manager in BH and later in OBs (not flying planes nor approving ?flyers? as OB folks will recognise!) 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On your same TV. -- *Virtual reality is its own reward* Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From martin at theeccles.uk Wed Apr 8 08:55:30 2020 From: martin at theeccles.uk (Martin Eccles) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2020 14:55:30 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Todays laugh In-Reply-To: <84009062-9CC1-4C40-BE6F-2822EBD5EC48@me.com> References: <84009062-9CC1-4C40-BE6F-2822EBD5EC48@me.com> Message-ID: <009e01d60dad$5e12c500$1a384f00$@theeccles.uk> Apparently, they each recorded their own voice on their mobile phone at home and everything was synced up and put together with a bit of ?cathedral? reverb. Martin. From: Tech1 On Behalf Of Alan Taylor via Tech1 Sent: 08 April 2020 10:04 To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat Subject: Re: [Tech1] Todays laugh Any idea what sort of app they are using? I would have thought that the delays would make collaborative performances difficult. Alan On 8 Apr 2020, at 09:53, Mike Jordan via Tech1 > wrote: ? Radio Times just delivered yesterday and now opened to read as CVirus should have died by now! We have all got used to the use of ?filmed? when talking about programmes recorded earlier, the RT,Talking of Easter day on BBC4, it informs us that, due to the lockdown, Sacred Heat was an admirable feat by the BBC Music Department who pulled together this ?virtual concert? ?It was directed via a videolink (only one?) with all 19 choristers TAPED (sic) separately from their own homes?. Presumably on DigiBetas so the quality maintained for later editing. Mike (time for laughs needed nowadays) -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gary_critcher at yahoo.com Wed Apr 8 09:09:45 2020 From: gary_critcher at yahoo.com (Gary Critcher) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2020 14:09:45 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Tech1] NTSC vhs? In-Reply-To: References: <1586249887.4249087.1586348972830.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1586249887.4249087.1586348972830@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1728798328.4520423.1586354985869@mail.yahoo.com> Thanks Bernie...and maybe anyone else who was going to put their hand up (ooo-er, missus) but Mr.Dave Buckley has kindly stepped in and volunteered, the tape will be winging its' way to him tomorrow. ? all the best,???? Gary On Wednesday, 8 April 2020, 15:06:05 BST, Bernard Newnham wrote: In principle, yes. At the moment....? B On 08/04/2020 13:29, Gary Critcher via Tech1 wrote: ...going through my stuff, I have just come across an old VHS that a friend gave me about 5 years ago. It's from Japan and I have just played it, it runs perfectly but it's NTSC. ? Would anyone on here by able to dub it DVD for? me? All the best to everyone + stay safe. ?? Gary C -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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And of course featuring the famous Raymond Baxter who flew Spitfires at end of WW II as did my manager in BH and later in OBs (not flying planes nor approving ?flyers? as OB folks will recognise!) ? Mike -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mibridge at mac.com Thu Apr 9 03:04:53 2020 From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles) Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2020 09:04:53 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Extremities Message-ID: <007394FB-FE43-4441-B50C-E912467E05C3@mac.com> In this age of isolation, I wonder who amongst us can send a current photo from the most extreme points of the compass? Definitely not me! Mike G From w12rogers at gmail.com Thu Apr 9 04:11:33 2020 From: w12rogers at gmail.com (Georgie and Steve Rogers) Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2020 10:11:33 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] "Gobby" Message-ID: For anyone who worked at TPC Lime Grove or Millbank So sad to see Paul Lambert has died Like him or not a great character with so many stories. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tlennon at bectu.org.uk Thu Apr 9 04:22:40 2020 From: tlennon at bectu.org.uk (Tony Lennon) Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2020 09:22:40 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Fw: "Gobby" In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1586424146470.34153@bectu.org.uk> Yes indeed...a legend at Millbank where my wife was his HR manager. I ran into him on several doorsteps (which were his speciality), and enjoyed his character, although never got on with his politics.... Tony Lennon ________________________________ From: Tech1 on behalf of Georgie and Steve Rogers via Tech1 Sent: 09 April 2020 10:11 To: Tech Ops Subject: [Tech1] "Gobby" For anyone who worked at TPC Lime Grove or Millbank So sad to see Paul Lambert has died Like him or not a great character with so many stories. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: ATT00001.txt URL: From philiptyler at me.com Thu Apr 9 03:19:09 2020 From: philiptyler at me.com (Philip Tyler) Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2020 09:19:09 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Extremities In-Reply-To: <007394FB-FE43-4441-B50C-E912467E05C3@mac.com> References: <007394FB-FE43-4441-B50C-E912467E05C3@mac.com> Message-ID: A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I live in a village just north of Banbury, which means I?m less than 30 miles away from Meriden, which claims to be the most central point in England. However there are some cracking good walks to be had from here. I can go in several different directions and each one is excellent with lots to see and these days, lots to hear too. Alan Taylor > On 9 Apr 2020, at 09:05, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: > > ?In this age of isolation, I wonder who amongst us can send a current photo from the most extreme points of the compass? > > Definitely not me! > > Mike G > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From bernie833 at gmail.com Thu Apr 9 04:35:51 2020 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2020 10:35:51 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Admin : size matters Message-ID: Tech1 has a post size limit of 10Mb, because otherwise we could end up with huge downloads sent by those who aren't terribly computer savvy.? If someone sends a larger post the system emails me and asks what I want to do, and mostly I reject the post and tell the sender. B -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bernie833 at gmail.com Thu Apr 9 04:44:28 2020 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2020 10:44:28 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Extremities In-Reply-To: <007394FB-FE43-4441-B50C-E912467E05C3@mac.com> References: <007394FB-FE43-4441-B50C-E912467E05C3@mac.com> Message-ID: <0f4bceab-d49f-3333-d0ea-2b3956dd2e39@gmail.com> Actually, it would be interesting to see a photo from everyone. There are 238 people on this list, and I have no idea of most of their statuses. We have maybe twenty regular posters, and maybe another twenty occasional posters. What about the other 200? Have they died and not bothered to tell us?? Are they avidly reading this dross and saying nothing? Do they divert it to a folder and say "I'll get round to reading this sometime"?? Have they set the mails to go to Trash without just closing their account?? I have no idea. It doesn't actually matter - tech1 isn't costed by emails or subscribers, but I've always been curious. 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My wife Jacqui and I on the Great Wall. Also attached a shot of the Beijing tug-o-war team practicing but caught them just as they dropped the rope. Sorry about the definition, I blame Brexit. Keep safe Best Peter Hider Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2020 at 12:27 PM From: "David Newbitt via Tech1" To: "Mike Giles" , "Tech Ops" Subject: Re: [Tech1] Extremities Philip & John offer genuine Spring 2020 shots but I need a degree of indulgence to get away with this shot of Britain's most Southerly - Polpeor Cafe at Lizard Point. It dates from May 2017 when my wife and I enjoyed a memorable cream tea. Dave Newbitt. -----Original Message----- From: Mike Giles via Tech1 Sent: Thursday, April 9, 2020 9:04 AM To: Tech Ops Subject: [Tech1] Extremities In this age of isolation, I wonder who amongst us can send a current photo from the most extreme points of the compass? Definitely not me! 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Here's my next offering at 52degs 26mins S - elephant seals on Sea Lion Island, Jan 2006 On 09/04/2020 14:34, Peter Neill via Tech1 wrote: > > > > > > >> >> Not current, I?m afraid - but this is fairly extreme. >> >> >> Peter Neill >> >> >> >>> On 9 Apr 2020, at 09:04, Mike Giles via Tech1 >> > wrote: >>> >>> In this age of isolation, I wonder who amongst us can send a current >>> photo from the most extreme points of the compass? >>> >>> Definitely not me! >>> >>> Mike G >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Please do pass this information on and be aware of attempts to gain access to bank details etc via email requests from banks or other service providers. ? Stay Safe ? -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave at davesound.co.uk Thu Apr 9 09:57:23 2020 From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman) Date: Thu, 09 Apr 2020 15:57:23 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Hackers In-Reply-To: <5e8f2e6e.1c69fb81.83644.03a4@mx.google.com> References: <5e8f2e6e.1c69fb81.83644.03a4@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <585e8b37e8dave@davesound.co.uk> In article <5e8f2e6e.1c69fb81.83644.03a4 at mx.google.com>, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > Hi All, > My landline has been out since Friday 4th, but BT fixed it yesterday 8th. > Good to be able to be in touch again (Broadband wasn?t affected). > It did have a good side effect ? I was spared attempted ?scam? calls! > Pat I can recommend TrueCall. It's a (paid for) add on unit that plugs in before your phones. Assuming you have your phone book on your computer, etc, you copy and paste this to it online. It then lets all those numbers straight through. An unknown number can ask you to approve it (if you're in) or leave a message. Spam callers never bother. Easy to stop it working at all by entering a code, or just powering it down - the phone then goes straight through it. Callers like your doctor surgery etc, that may use a different outgoing number to the one you have, seem to understand it OK. You can update the phone book easily either via your phone or online. But online is only free for the first year - after that you pay a service fee. There may well be as good alternatives, though. All I can say is it does what it says on the tin. And wouldn't be without it. At one time I was getting as many spam calls as wanted ones. ;-) -- *A 'jiffy' is an actual unit of time for 1/100th of a second. Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From paul at pgtmedia.co.uk Thu Apr 9 10:00:19 2020 From: paul at pgtmedia.co.uk (Paul Thackray) Date: Thu, 09 Apr 2020 16:00:19 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Extremities In-Reply-To: <6b0ec2c7-eef5-9e7c-abbd-a0859f1ea5e2@imixmics.co.uk> Message-ID: <270n4kigtccaodfpmna5ds0m.1586444419563@pgtmedia.co.uk> If no time constraints then 2004. Antarctic peninsula for most southerly Discovery Bay Greenland for most northerly Paul Thackray PGT Media Consulting Ltd. 07802 243979 Mail;?paul at pgtmedia.co.uk Web;?http://www.pgtmedia.co.uk Linkedin;???http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/paul-thackray/19/379/746 IMDB;?http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1488554/ sent from my BlackBerry?the most secure mobile device?via the O2 Network ? Original Message ? 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Here's my next offering at 52degs 26mins S - elephant seals on Sea Lion Island, Jan 2006 On 09/04/2020 14:34, Peter Neill via Tech1 wrote: > > > > > > >> >> Not current, I?m afraid - but this is fairly extreme. >> >> >> Peter Neill >> >> >> >>> On 9 Apr 2020, at 09:04, Mike Giles via Tech1 >> > wrote: >>> >>> In this age of isolation, I wonder who amongst us can send a current >>> photo from the most extreme points of the compass? >>> >>> Definitely not me! >>> >>> Mike G >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> > > -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Picture 108.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 215833 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Cheers, Dave From pat.heigham at amps.net Thu Apr 9 11:41:57 2020 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2020 17:41:57 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Extremities In-Reply-To: <77e35461-cbc7-6aee-6888-6dc30fe8e1f5@btinternet.com> References: <77e35461-cbc7-6aee-6888-6dc30fe8e1f5@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <5e8f5054.1c69fb81.23747.3701@mx.google.com> Working for ABC and NBC Sports NY, we were always appalled at the Americans? little knowledge of geography. On a job requiring a move from some place in Southern Germany to Zurich, their travel office had booked flights, when we suggested that it would be a darn sight easier to drive. No hassling with checking in and out with the equipment at airports, and the hire car could be kept to drop off elsewhere. It would cost one extra night?s accommodation, en route, but would save the flights. (Not a problem with timing of the job). It just annoyed us that no-one looked at a map! Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: dave.mdv via Tech1 Sent: 09 April 2020 17:22 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: [Tech1] Extremities What is even more amazing is that we take such jaunts for granted but other people have no idea what lies outside their locality. in Bermuda we met some elderly American ladies from the mid-west USA who had never seen the sea! Count your blessings, chaps and chapesses! Cheers, Dave -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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What is even more amazing is that we take such jaunts for granted but other people have no idea what lies outside their locality. There is a lady at our Thursday pub, aged mid-30s I guess, who had never been away on holiday until 2018! While on holiday in Bermuda we met some elderly American ladies from the mid-west USA who had never seen the sea! Count your blessings, chaps and chapesses! Cheers, Dave -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: DSC02207.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 86475 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: DSCN1309.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 213514 bytes Desc: not available URL: From barrybonner119 at btinternet.com Thu Apr 9 11:58:16 2020 From: barrybonner119 at btinternet.com (Barry Bonner) Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2020 17:58:16 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Extremities In-Reply-To: <77e35461-cbc7-6aee-6888-6dc30fe8e1f5@btinternet.com> References: <77e35461-cbc7-6aee-6888-6dc30fe8e1f5@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <0BF24364-A147-4BF3-AA3E-679046FFA7DC@btinternet.com> Hi Dave et al, Yes we do go on nice jaunts. Took a 10 night cruise that went to St. Kilda and the Hebrides last July. Pictured is the most westerly house in the British Isles. The boat in background is our cruise boat (it?s not big enough to be called a ship!) the 85 ft. MV. Glen Shiel. It was its second voyage from new and its first trip to St. Kilda. It was flat calm on the trip out from Barra! I had my 50th. birthday party in Bermuda as that?s where I "started life" and my sister was born there. Barry. 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Alan Taylor > On 9 Apr 2020, at 17:42, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > > ? > Working for ABC and NBC Sports NY, we were always appalled at the Americans? little knowledge of geography. > On a job requiring a move from some place in Southern Germany to Zurich, their travel office had booked flights, when we suggested that it would be a darn sight easier to drive. No hassling with checking in and out with the equipment at airports, and the hire car could be kept to drop off elsewhere. It would cost one extra night?s accommodation, en route, but would save the flights. (Not a problem with timing of the job). > It just annoyed us that no-one looked at a map! > Pat > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > From: dave.mdv via Tech1 > Sent: 09 April 2020 17:22 > To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > Subject: [Tech1] Extremities > What is even more amazing is that we take > such jaunts for granted but other people have no idea what lies outside > their locality. > in Bermuda we met some elderly American ladies from the mid-west USA who > had never seen the sea! Count your blessings, chaps and chapesses! > Cheers, Dave > > > > > Virus-free. www.avast.com > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From techtone at protonmail.com Thu Apr 9 14:52:38 2020 From: techtone at protonmail.com (techtone) Date: Thu, 09 Apr 2020 19:52:38 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Fw: "Gobby" In-Reply-To: <1586424146470.34153@bectu.org.uk> References: <1586424146470.34153@bectu.org.uk> Message-ID: I'm so sorry to hear about Gobby, who, whilst he rarely shut up, had a heart of gold, and was a really good spark. After I left, he moved on to production in NCA, and I bumped into him once or twice around Westminster. The most famous story relating to him, was when a certain group of sparks (no names......etc.) procured some House of Commons headed notepaper, and wrote to him asking if he would attend the Houses of Parliament to help on a committee advising them on relations between MPs and the media (or something along those lines, I'm sure the Lime Grove Cultural Attache, otherwise known as Growler, and his cohorts, can fill in the exact details). Anyhow, on the appointed day, with Gobby all dressed up to the nines, they arranged for a Niven car to pick him up at LG, and as far as I know it set off, drove round the Green, and deposited him back at LG, whereupon all repaired to the club for a prolonged session. Gobby took it in really good part, and admitted he'd been totally had. Sadly, I have no idea about any family connections he may have developed after we lost touch, but should anyone here be in touch with them I would pass on my sincere condolences, and I'm sure that he would have been an extremely well-loved and cared about family member, I hope at least as husband and father, I can just imagine him carrying on with kids, laughing the whole time, would any of them got a word in edgeways? TeaTeaFN - Tony Sent with [ProtonMail](https://protonmail.com) Secure Email. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From w12rogers at gmail.com Thu Apr 9 16:02:10 2020 From: w12rogers at gmail.com (Georgie and Steve Rogers) Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2020 22:02:10 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Fw: "Gobby" In-Reply-To: References: <1586424146470.34153@bectu.org.uk> Message-ID: There is a classic "Gobby" when he was a producer . Down in South London doing the departure of I think Tony Blair from a meeting he told the DR who was doing sound to go and get his camera and he would do sound. So there he is in his immaculate camel hair coat with the boom pole over his head on a small wall...Blair walks out ,Paul shuffles backwards on the wall and yes like a tree being felled misses his footing and disappears into the muddy grass behind , all caught on camera .I also remember him as the most helpful person getting his hands dirty to help the crew for a quick change of location in Downing Street having worked his way up the ladder he knew what to do and would often tell you how to do it you can imagine the response ! RIP Paul. On Thu, 9 Apr 2020 at 20:53, techtone via Tech1 wrote: > I'm so sorry to hear about Gobby, who, whilst he rarely shut up, had a > heart of gold, and was a really good spark. After I left, he moved on to > production in NCA, and I bumped into him once or twice around Westminster. > > The most famous story relating to him, was when a certain group of sparks > (no names......etc.) procured some House of Commons headed notepaper, and > wrote to him asking if he would attend the Houses of Parliament to help on > a committee advising them on relations between MPs and the media (or > something along those lines, I'm sure the Lime Grove Cultural Attache, > otherwise known as Growler, and his cohorts, can fill in the exact > details). Anyhow, on the appointed day, with Gobby all dressed up to the > nines, they arranged for a Niven car to pick him up at LG, and as far as I > know it set off, drove round the Green, and deposited him back at LG, > whereupon all repaired to the club for a prolonged session. Gobby took it > in really good part, and admitted he'd been totally had. > > Sadly, I have no idea about any family connections he may have developed > after we lost touch, but should anyone here be in touch with them I would > pass on my sincere condolences, and I'm sure that he would have been an > extremely well-loved and cared about family member, I hope at least as > husband and father, I can just imagine him carrying on with kids, laughing > the whole time, would any of them got a word in edgeways? > > TeaTeaFN - Tony > > > Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email. > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Thu Apr 9 16:19:03 2020 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2020 22:19:03 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Fw: "Gobby" In-Reply-To: References: <1586424146470.34153@bectu.org.uk> Message-ID: Unfortunately, I have never met Paul, but reading all the tributes on the BBC News notification that arrive on my mobile he must have been quite a special person! A sad loss to everyone in our business.? BTW, I just happened to catch the opening titles of 'Lorraine' on ITV, at 0900,? and was sickened to see that they announced that it was coming live from 'TELEVISION CENTRE'!!!!!!!!!!!with an overhead drone shot zooming into the central circle! Bloody cheek! Cheers, Dave On 09/04/2020 22:02, Georgie and Steve Rogers via Tech1 wrote: > There is a classic "Gobby" when he was a producer .? Down in South > London doing the departure of I think Tony Blair from a meeting he > told the DR who was doing sound to go and get his camera and he would > do sound. So there he is in his immaculate camel hair coat? with the > boom pole over his head on a small wall...Blair walks out ,Paul > shuffles backwards on the wall and yes like a tree being felled misses > his footing and disappears into the muddy grass behind , all caught on > camera .I also remember him as the most helpful person getting his > hands dirty to help the crew for a quick change of location in Downing > Street having worked his way up the ladder he knew what to do and > would often tell you how to do it you can imagine the response ! > RIP? Paul. > > On Thu, 9 Apr 2020 at 20:53, techtone via Tech1 > wrote: > > I'm so sorry to hear about Gobby, who, whilst he rarely shut up, > had a heart of gold, and was a really good spark. After I left, he > moved on to production in NCA, and I bumped into him once or twice > around Westminster. > > The most famous story relating to him, was when a certain group of > sparks (no names......etc.) procured some House of Commons headed > notepaper, and wrote to him asking if he would attend the Houses > of Parliament to help on a committee advising them on relations > between MPs and the media (or something along those lines, I'm > sure the Lime Grove Cultural Attache, otherwise known as Growler, > and his cohorts, can fill in the exact details). Anyhow, on the > appointed day, with Gobby all dressed up to the nines, they > arranged for a Niven car to pick him up at LG, and as far as I > know it set off, drove round the Green, and deposited him back at > LG, whereupon all repaired to the club for a prolonged session. > Gobby took it in really good part, and admitted he'd been totally had. > > Sadly, I have no idea about any family connections he may have > developed after we lost touch, but should anyone here be in touch > with them I would pass on my sincere condolences, and I'm sure > that he would have been an extremely well-loved and cared about > family member, I hope at least as husband and father, I can just > imagine him carrying on with kids, laughing the whole time, would > any of them got a word in edgeways? > > TeaTeaFN - Tony > > > Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email. > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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And get the world infected. -- Best Regards Alec Alec Bray alec.bray.2 at gmail.com mob: 07789 561 346 home: 0118 981 7502 From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net Fri Apr 10 03:36:54 2020 From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt) Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2020 09:36:54 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] A Positive Infection In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <195F61508C9344E3B76F6D3B51957210@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> Lovely sentiment Alec and a great deal of truth in it. Dave Newbitt -----Original Message----- From: Alec Bray via Tech1 Sent: Friday, April 10, 2020 9:13 AM To: Tech Ops Subject: [Tech1] A Positive Infection SMILE by Spike Milligan Smiling is infectious You can catch it like the flu When someone smiled at me today I started smiling too I walked around the corner And someone saw me grin When he smiled I realised I had passed it on to him I thought about the smile And then realised its worth A single smile like mine Could travel round the earth So if you feel a smile begin Don?t leave it undetected Start an epidemic And get the world infected. -- Best Regards Alec Alec Bray alec.bray.2 at gmail.com mob: 07789 561 346 home: 0118 981 7502 -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From saranewman at hotmail.com Fri Apr 10 05:01:33 2020 From: saranewman at hotmail.com (sara newman) Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2020 11:01:33 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Extremities In-Reply-To: <270n4kigtccaodfpmna5ds0m.1586444419563@pgtmedia.co.uk> References: <270n4kigtccaodfpmna5ds0m.1586444419563@pgtmedia.co.uk> Message-ID: This is the same place this this February with the resident white penguin not albino Sara > On 9 Apr 2020, at 16:00, Paul Thackray via Tech1 wrote: > > If no time constraints then 2004. > Antarctic peninsula for most southerly > Discovery Bay Greenland for most northerly > > > > Paul Thackray > > PGT Media Consulting Ltd. > > 07802 243979 > > Mail; paul at pgtmedia.co.uk > > Web; http://www.pgtmedia.co.uk > > Linkedin; http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/paul-thackray/19/379/746 > > IMDB; http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1488554/ > > sent from my BlackBerry?the most secure mobile device?via the O2 Network > > > Original Message > > > From: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > Sent: 9 April 2020 15:06 > To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > Reply to: jpn at imixmics.co.uk > Subject: Re: [Tech1] Extremities > > > If we don't have a time constraint... > > Are the Falkland Islands further south than Peter's chippy? Here's my > next offering at 52degs 26mins S - elephant seals on Sea Lion Island, > Jan 2006 > > On 09/04/2020 14:34, Peter Neill via Tech1 wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> >>> Not current, I?m afraid - but this is fairly extreme. >>> >>> >>> Peter Neill >>> >>> >>> >>>> On 9 Apr 2020, at 09:04, Mike Giles via Tech1 >>> > wrote: >>>> >>>> In this age of isolation, I wonder who amongst us can send a current >>>> photo from the most extreme points of the compass? >>>> >>>> Definitely not me! >>>> >>>> Mike G >>>> -- >>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>> >> >> > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From bernie833 at gmail.com Fri Apr 10 06:31:33 2020 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2020 12:31:33 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Not extremities quiz Message-ID: <9c6c8f7d-f4b1-3d8f-0d7f-a30fac95812c@gmail.com> I can't offer an extremity pic - looks a bit too chilly for me - so here is a question. Where is this, and for anoraks, what happened here, apart from our hols a few years ago? B -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Where is this, and for anoraks, what happened here, apart from our hols a few years ago? > > > > B > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Montenvers Mer de Glace.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 897316 bytes Desc: not available URL: From bernie833 at gmail.com Fri Apr 10 08:34:41 2020 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2020 14:34:41 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Not extremities quiz In-Reply-To: References: <9c6c8f7d-f4b1-3d8f-0d7f-a30fac95812c@gmail.com> Message-ID: <65a2e113-8e92-0a1e-86e9-a117ef2b39a8@gmail.com> Ah - I do have that kind of extremity. A day off from filming in Geneva.? Inside, a lady was vigorously mopping the loo floors. Outside, I was terribly eager to get back down to the next level at 10,000ft Quiz answer anyone? B On 10/04/2020 13:46, Graeme Wall wrote: > For a different extremity, this is about as high as I?ve got, The Mer > de Glace in the French Alps. Any resemblanc to a pre-war railway > poster is entirely deliberate. > ? > Graeme Wall > > > >> On 10 Apr 2020, at 12:31, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 >> > wrote: >> >> I can't offer an extremity?pic - looks a bit too chilly for me - so >> here is a question. ??Where is this, and for anoraks, what happened >> here, apart from our?hols a few years ago? >> >> >> >> B >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Inside, a lady was vigorously mopping the loo floors. > Outside, I was terribly eager to get back down to the next level at > 10,000ft > > Quiz answer anyone? > > B > > > > On 10/04/2020 13:46, Graeme Wall wrote: >> For a different extremity, this is about as high as I?ve got, The Mer >> de Glace in the French Alps. Any resemblanc to a pre-war railway >> poster is entirely deliberate. >> ? >> Graeme Wall >> >> >> >>> On 10 Apr 2020, at 12:31, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 >>> > wrote: >>> >>> I can't offer an extremity?pic - looks a bit too chilly for me - so >>> here is a question. ??Where is this, and for anoraks, what happened >>> here, apart from our?hols a few years ago? >>> >>> >>> >>> B >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Alasdair Lawrance alawrance1 at me.com Don?t blame me, I voted Remain. > On 10 Apr 2020, at 17:18, David Beer via Tech1 wrote: > > I can't resist posting a couple of my personal extremities photos: > > My highest not in a plane, Mera Peak in Nepal at 6,476m: > > > > > > and furthest north, Ittoqqortoormiit, don't try to pronounce it, in NE Greenland at 70? 29' north: > > > > Dave Beer > > > On 10/04/2020 14:34, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: >> Ah - I do have that kind of extremity. A day off from filming in Geneva. Inside, a lady was vigorously mopping the loo floors. Outside, I was terribly eager to get back down to the next level at 10,000ft >> >> Quiz answer anyone? >> >> B >> >> >> >> On 10/04/2020 13:46, Graeme Wall wrote: >>> For a different extremity, this is about as high as I?ve got, The Mer de Glace in the French Alps. 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Graeme Wall From pat.heigham at amps.net Fri Apr 10 15:06:43 2020 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2020 21:06:43 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Different topic Message-ID: <5e90d1d4.1c69fb81.94808.1830@mx.google.com> In this trying time, I wondered what phrase heard on TV might be most hated? For me, it?s ?After the break? As I can then expect to sit through five or ten minutes of commercials. (I shouldn?t decry those, as I earned quite a lot of money working on them!) One that is currently showing, I think is excellent, and reduces me to tears ? The little girl playing football, her dad tells her she was great, then a wide shot shows that he has a guide dog ? he?s blind. Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bernie833 at gmail.com Fri Apr 10 15:25:08 2020 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2020 21:25:08 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Quiz answer In-Reply-To: <9c6c8f7d-f4b1-3d8f-0d7f-a30fac95812c@gmail.com> References: <9c6c8f7d-f4b1-3d8f-0d7f-a30fac95812c@gmail.com> Message-ID: Quiz answer - the Villa del Balbianello on Lake Como - https://lakecomotravel.com/villa-balbianello-lake-como/ And for anoraks - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ooWJpI3Chck Unsurprisingly, you can get married just there. B On 10/04/2020 12:31, Bernard Newnham wrote: > I can't offer an extremity pic - looks a bit too chilly for me - so > here is a question.?? Where is this, and for anoraks, what happened > here, apart from our hols a few years ago? > > > > B -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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A couple of weeks later, I was working with her again and she reminded me of that phrase and said that she developed quite a complex about saying it, but unfortunately she couldn?t find a particularly suitable alternative phrase. Alan Taylor >> On 10 Apr 2020, at 21:07, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > ? > > In this trying time, I wondered what phrase heard on TV might be most hated? > For me, it?s ?After the break? As I can then expect to sit through five or ten minutes of commercials. > (I shouldn?t decry those, as I earned quite a lot of money working on them!) > One that is currently showing, I think is excellent, and reduces me to tears ? > The little girl playing football, her dad tells her she was great, then a wide shot shows that he has a guide dog ? he?s blind. > > Pat > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > > > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net Fri Apr 10 16:54:15 2020 From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt) Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2020 22:54:15 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Different topic In-Reply-To: <03245DA5-B213-4363-9973-9CD9E070E5ED@me.com> References: <5e90d1d4.1c69fb81.94808.1830@mx.google.com> <03245DA5-B213-4363-9973-9CD9E070E5ED@me.com> Message-ID: For me the sentence to raise blood pressure is ?lets get the very latest now from .....?. An item of news is either the latest or it isn?t ? you cannot qualify it with ?very? and make it any more recent. It is hard (and has been for a very long time) to listen through any news bulletin without hearing it and I wish editors would recognise that it is simply an attempt to hype up the coverage and impose a ban on the use of the phrase ?the very latest? altogether. Dave Newbitt. From: Alan Taylor via Tech1 Sent: Friday, April 10, 2020 10:35 PM To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat Subject: Re: [Tech1] Different topic In the days of Tomorrow?s World, I was working with Judith Hann and mentioned that my kids called TW the ?but now ?? show. The reason being that every story started by saying what was wrong with how we do a certain task and then they always said ?but now ?? before demonstrated they new fangled gadget. She laughed and agreed that the phrase was somewhat over used. A couple of weeks later, I was working with her again and she reminded me of that phrase and said that she developed quite a complex about saying it, but unfortunately she couldn?t find a particularly suitable alternative phrase. Alan Taylor On 10 Apr 2020, at 21:07, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: ? In this trying time, I wondered what phrase heard on TV might be most hated? For me, it?s ?After the break? As I can then expect to sit through five or ten minutes of commercials. 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URL: From brian.curtis.bluesky at gmail.com Fri Apr 10 17:00:40 2020 From: brian.curtis.bluesky at gmail.com (Brian Curtis) Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2020 23:00:40 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Different topic In-Reply-To: <5e90d1d4.1c69fb81.94808.1830@mx.google.com> References: <5e90d1d4.1c69fb81.94808.1830@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Like Pat I found the advert with the little girl playing football with the blind dad very moving. When I saw it the first time I wondered why the girl was mimicking a football commentator by shouting out her every move - "moving down the outside, past the defence, and shoots" etc but that makes the end all the more moving! As for the phrase "After the break" when I was working for Premier radio in London, the Head of Programming always taught all the presenters (which included me occasionally) to avoid that phrase with alternatives like "We've got xxxx for you very soon" or "xxxx in just a moment" etc. He say try to avoid the word "break" as much as possible as it put the idea in the audience mind that an advert was not part of our programming which obviously to pay the rent it was! Take care, stay safe. Cheers Brian Curtis On Fri, 10 Apr 2020 at 21:07, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > > > In this trying time, I wondered what phrase heard on TV might be most > hated? > > For me, it?s ?After the break? As I can then expect to sit through five or > ten minutes of commercials. > > (I shouldn?t decry those, as I earned quite a lot of money working on > them!) > > One that is currently showing, I think is excellent, and reduces me to > tears ? > > The little girl playing football, her dad tells her she was great, then a > wide shot shows that he has a guide dog ? he?s blind. > > > > Pat > > > > Sent from Mail for > Windows 10 > > > > > ------------------------------ > [image: Avast logo] > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com > > <#m_-3426637496082817526_DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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It is hard (and has been for a very long time) to listen through any news bulletin without hearing it and I wish editors would recognise that it is simply an attempt to hype up the coverage and impose a ban on the use of the phrase ?the very latest? altogether. Dave Newbitt. From: Alan Taylor via Tech1 Sent: Friday, April 10, 2020 10:35 PM To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat Subject: Re: [Tech1] Different topic In the days of Tomorrow?s World, I was working with Judith Hann and mentioned that my kids called TW the ?but now ?? show. The reason being that every story started by saying what was wrong with how we do a certain task and then they always said ?but now ?? before demonstrated they new fangled gadget. She laughed and agreed that the phrase was somewhat over used. A couple of weeks later, I was working with her again and she reminded me of that phrase and said that she developed quite a complex about saying it, but unfortunately she couldn?t find a particularly suitable alternative phrase. Alan Taylor On 10 Apr 2020, at 21:07, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: ? In this trying time, I wondered what phrase heard on TV might be most hated? For me, it?s ?After the break? As I can then expect to sit through five or ten minutes of commercials. (I shouldn?t decry those, as I earned quite a lot of money working on them!) One that is currently showing, I think is excellent, and reduces me to tears ? The little girl playing football, her dad tells her she was great, then a wide shot shows that he has a guide dog ? he?s blind. 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When I saw it the first time I wondered why > the girl was mimicking a football commentator by shouting out her > every move - "moving down the outside, past the defence, and shoots" > etc but that makes the end all the more moving! > > As for the phrase "After the break" when I was working for Premier > radio in London, the Head of Programming always taught all the? > presenters (which included me occasionally) to avoid that phrase with > alternatives like "We've got xxxx for you very soon" or "xxxx in just > a moment" etc. He say try to avoid the word "break" as much as > possible as it put the idea in the audience mind that an advert was > not part of our programming which obviously to pay the rent it was! > > Take care, stay safe. > > Cheers > > Brian Curtis > > > On Fri, 10 Apr 2020 at 21:07, patheigham via Tech1 > > wrote: > > In this trying time, I wondered what phrase heard on TV might be > most hated? > > For me, it?s ?After the break? 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And in case anyone feels like pointing out, "Roger, you are so fat, even at the speed of a jet, it would take longer than a nanosecond for your body width to cross the Date Line!"O.K. do the maths yourself and pick your own unit of measurement! luv, Rog. On Thursday, 9 April 2020, 19:21:31 BST, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: I worked for CBS on the Winter Olympics from Albertville. After the games CBS did some great deals which meant that the USA crew were flown en masse to New York and thence onwards to regional airports.? During the few days we were wrapping up, several of the Americans suggested that I stopped at their place in New York for a few days before continuing onwards to England. ?It came as something of a surprise to learn that it?s possible to fly from France to England without having to change in New York. Alan Taylor On 9 Apr 2020, at 17:42, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: ? Working for ABC and NBC Sports NY, we were always appalled at the Americans? little knowledge of geography. On a job requiring a move from some place in Southern Germany to Zurich, their travel office had booked flights, when we suggested that it would be a darn sight easier to drive. No hassling with checking in and out ?with the equipment at airports, and the hire car could be kept to drop off elsewhere. It would cost one extra night?s accommodation, en route, but would save the flights. (Not a problem with timing of the job). It just annoyed us that no-one looked at a map! Pat ? Sent from Mail for Windows 10 ? From: dave.mdv via Tech1 Sent: 09 April 2020 17:22 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: [Tech1] Extremities What is even more amazing is that we take such jaunts for granted but other people have no idea what lies outside their locality. in Bermuda we met some elderly American ladies from the mid-west USA who had never seen the sea! Count your blessings, chaps and chapesses! 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Not the ad breaks as such, but the fact they repeat the same commercials over and over again. Easy enough to record then and start watching it say 20 minutes or so later on a 2 hour prog. And spin through the ads. One of my PVRs allows you to set a fixed time skip - ideal for breaks which are often the same length. -- *INDECISION is the key to FLEXIBILITY * Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From paul at pgtmedia.co.uk Sat Apr 11 05:11:52 2020 From: paul at pgtmedia.co.uk (Paul Thackray) Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2020 11:11:52 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Different topic In-Reply-To: <585f77c587dave@davesound.co.uk> Message-ID: <5t6cng89qp95n16hucerefa4.1586599912937@pgtmedia.co.uk> Worst phrase is `joining us from our London studio ....` Which means we sold TVC and are in some distant outpost that few guests will visit in person! Paul Thackray PGT Media Consulting Ltd. 07802 243979 Mail;?paul at pgtmedia.co.uk Web;?http://www.pgtmedia.co.uk Linkedin;???http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/paul-thackray/19/379/746 IMDB;?http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1488554/ sent from my BlackBerry?the most secure mobile device?via the O2 Network ? Original Message ? From: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Sent: 11 April 2020 11:08 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Reply to: dave at davesound.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Different topic In article <5e90d1d4.1c69fb81.94808.1830 at mx.google.com>, ?? patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > In this trying time, I wondered what phrase heard on TV might be most hated? > For me, it?s ?After the break? As I can then expect to sit through five or ten minutes of commercials. 10 minutes? You need to stop watching those strange satellite channels. ;-) The worst are the re-run channels, like Drama and ITV3, that I tend to view quite a bit. Not the ad breaks as such, but the fact they repeat the same commercials over and over again. Easy enough to record then and start watching it say 20 minutes or so later on a 2 hour prog. And spin through the ads. One of my PVRs allows you to set a fixed time skip - ideal for breaks which are often the same length. -- *INDECISION is the key to FLEXIBILITY * ??? Dave Plowman???? dave at davesound.co.uk???? London SW 12 ??? -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From mikej at bmanor.co.uk Sat Apr 11 05:21:32 2020 From: mikej at bmanor.co.uk (Mike Jordan) Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2020 11:21:32 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Different topic In-Reply-To: <585f77c587dave@davesound.co.uk> References: <5e90d1d4.1c69fb81.94808.1830@mx.google.com> <585f77c587dave@davesound.co.uk> Message-ID: <9000740A74F04489B3BE1B30ECAF06C8@Gigabyte> A lot of the ch5 and similar channels have short first break (to keep your interest?) than later long ones to make up (down?) to the allowed 42mins of real programme per hour. Also some with specially sponsored breaks (such as "special holiday offers") do similar to have breaks with holiday ads much longer. So a fixed time skip is nowadays pretty redundant. We also need a "skip" for BBC inter-show spaces when one gets all the whats on next/this week/on all BBC channels etc etc Mike -----Original Message----- From: Dave Plowman via Tech1 The worst are the re-run channels, like Drama and ITV3, that I tend to view quite a bit. Not the ad breaks as such, but the fact they repeat the same commercials over and over again. Easy enough to record then and start watching it say 20 minutes or so later on a 2 hour prog. And spin through the ads. One of my PVRs allows you to set a fixed time skip - ideal for breaks which are often the same length. From ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com Sat Apr 11 05:31:23 2020 From: ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com (Albert Barber) Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2020 11:31:23 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Quiz answer In-Reply-To: <51A7C76E-895C-4A70-AF7F-9B84466C6002@btinternet.com> References: <9c6c8f7d-f4b1-3d8f-0d7f-a30fac95812c@gmail.com> <51A7C76E-895C-4A70-AF7F-9B84466C6002@btinternet.com> Message-ID: Will the pandemic be the turning point for globalisaiton? https://theconversation.com/will-coronavirus-be-the-turning-point-for-globalisation-134739 The pandemic is increasing inequality https://theconversation.com/the-coronavirus-pandemic-is-already-increasing-inequality-135992 > On 10 Apr 2020, at 23:53, Albert Barber wrote: > > Where were you in 1950? > > > > >> On 10 Apr 2020, at 21:25, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 > wrote: >> >> Quiz answer - the Villa del Balbianello on Lake Como - https://lakecomotravel.com/villa-balbianello-lake-como/ >> >> And for anoraks - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ooWJpI3Chck >> >> Unsurprisingly, you can get married just there. >> >> B >> >> >> >> On 10/04/2020 12:31, Bernard Newnham wrote: >>> I can't offer an extremity pic - looks a bit too chilly for me - so here is a question. Where is this, and for anoraks, what happened here, apart from our hols a few years ago? >>> >>> >>> >>> B >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alawrance1 at me.com Sat Apr 11 05:37:38 2020 From: alawrance1 at me.com (Alasdair Lawrance) Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2020 11:37:38 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Different topic In-Reply-To: <585f77c587dave@davesound.co.uk> References: <5e90d1d4.1c69fb81.94808.1830@mx.google.com> <585f77c587dave@davesound.co.uk> Message-ID: The other ad I like is the young woman getting out of bed, looking at rain on the window, and saying 'Alexa, what's the weather like?" It took me a while to work it out, even if the dog was a bit of a clue, it wasn't enough to spoil it. I find all adverts annoying after 2 - 3 viewings, and now they're coming around every 6 months or so. Grrrrr.... 'Coming up next ...." makes me think the presenter is going to vomit. "That's all we have time for" is just bad planning and/or lack of rehearsal. I would also ban the following in any order and combination - 'absolutely', 'fantastic', 'amazing', normally used when anything happens, like the cat farting. Some of us have a vocabulary bigger than D. Trump's. Alasdair Lawrance alawrance1 at me.com Don?t blame me, I voted Remain. > On 11 Apr 2020, at 11:01, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: > > In article <5e90d1d4.1c69fb81.94808.1830 at mx.google.com>, > patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > >> In this trying time, I wondered what phrase heard on TV might be most hated? >> For me, it?s ?After the break? As I can then expect to sit through five or ten minutes of commercials. > > 10 minutes? You need to stop watching those strange satellite channels. ;-) > > The worst are the re-run channels, like Drama and ITV3, that I tend to > view quite a bit. Not the ad breaks as such, but the fact they repeat the > same commercials over and over again. > > Easy enough to record then and start watching it say 20 minutes or so > later on a 2 hour prog. And spin through the ads. One of my PVRs allows > you to set a fixed time skip - ideal for breaks which are often the same > length. > > -- > *INDECISION is the key to FLEXIBILITY * > > Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Sat Apr 11 05:47:34 2020 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2020 11:47:34 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Extremities Message-ID: <59369800-8c84-31a7-d582-e3f392fc1641@btinternet.com> How low can you go? Several fathoms actually (135 ft. in old money) in a submarine off Barbados. Cheers, Dave From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Sat Apr 11 05:48:47 2020 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2020 11:48:47 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Ditto, with attachment! Message-ID: How low can you go? Several fathoms actually (135 ft. in old money) in a submarine off Barbados. Cheers, Dave -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Submarine.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 268884 bytes Desc: not available URL: From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Sat Apr 11 06:44:35 2020 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2020 12:44:35 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] B&W dancers Message-ID: <1b100323-1064-f987-1688-dbc539bab58d@btinternet.com> Pan's People never did anything like this! Cheers, Dave -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Sat Apr 11 07:11:43 2020 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2020 13:11:43 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Different topic In-Reply-To: <585f77c587dave@davesound.co.uk> References: <5e90d1d4.1c69fb81.94808.1830@mx.google.com> <585f77c587dave@davesound.co.uk> Message-ID: <5e91b3ff.1c69fb81.c1ade.9043@mx.google.com> I have a good friend who point-blank refuses to view any commercial channel, as he has zero tolerance to the adverts. If I spot a programme that I think would interest him, I record it and cut out the breaks before sending a DVD. My now rather ancient DVD/hard drive recorder has a useful facility that allows the construction of a ?play list?. A top and tailing exercise which is frame accurate. Later models seem to have left off this function, thus the alternative is to dub to DVD and put that into a computer edit programme such as Pinnacle. Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Dave Plowman via Tech1 Sent: 11 April 2020 11:08 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Different topic The worst are the re-run channels, like Drama and ITV3, that I tend to view quite a bit. Not the ad breaks as such, but the fact they repeat the same commercials over and over again. Easy enough to record then and start watching it say 20 minutes or so later on a 2 hour prog. And spin through the ads. One of my PVRs allows you to set a fixed time skip - ideal for breaks which are often the same length. -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave at davesound.co.uk Sat Apr 11 07:51:00 2020 From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman) Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2020 13:51:00 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Different topic In-Reply-To: <9000740A74F04489B3BE1B30ECAF06C8@Gigabyte> References: <5e90d1d4.1c69fb81.94808.1830@mx.google.com> <585f77c587dave@davesound.co.uk> <9000740A74F04489B3BE1B30ECAF06C8@Gigabyte> Message-ID: <585f875291dave@davesound.co.uk> In article <9000740A74F04489B3BE1B30ECAF06C8 at Gigabyte>, Mike Jordan wrote: > A lot of the ch5 and similar channels have short first break (to keep your > interest?) than later long ones to make up (down?) to the allowed 42mins of > real programme per hour. > Also some with specially sponsored breaks (such as "special holiday offers") > do similar to have breaks with holiday ads much longer. > So a fixed time skip is nowadays pretty redundant. Assuming you can be bothered to work out the time of the shortest break, set the skip to that. Then simply press more than once for longer ones. Practice make perfect. Still easier and quicker than using fast forward at a speed fast enough to get past the break quickly (I have another PVR without this feature, so know which I prefer) -- *When the going gets tough, use duct tape Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net Sat Apr 11 08:19:30 2020 From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt) Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2020 14:19:30 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] B&W dancers In-Reply-To: <1b100323-1064-f987-1688-dbc539bab58d@btinternet.com> References: <1b100323-1064-f987-1688-dbc539bab58d@btinternet.com> Message-ID: Gets cleverer the more you watch it! Dave Newbitt -----Original Message----- From: dave.mdv via Tech1 Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2020 12:44 PM To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: [Tech1] B&W dancers Pan's People never did anything like this! Cheers, Dave -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From pat.heigham at amps.net Sat Apr 11 08:53:42 2020 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2020 14:53:42 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] B&W dancers In-Reply-To: References: <1b100323-1064-f987-1688-dbc539bab58d@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <5e91cbe7.1c69fb81.2b44c.c9bb@mx.google.com> Wonder what Cowell might have made of it on BGT? Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: David Newbitt via Tech1 Sent: 11 April 2020 14:19 To: dave.mdv; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] B&W dancers Gets cleverer the more you watch it! Dave Newbitt -----Original Message----- From: dave.mdv via Tech1 Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2020 12:44 PM To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: [Tech1] B&W dancers Pan's People never did anything like this! Cheers, Dave -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Sat Apr 11 09:09:50 2020 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2020 15:09:50 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] FW: [AMPSConnect] Video calling and latency In-Reply-To: <5e91ce6a.1c69fb81.42385.8d60@mx.google.com> References: <1571183796.2746439.1586605787062@mail.yahoo.com> <5e91ce6a.1c69fb81.42385.8d60@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <5e91cfaf.1c69fb81.f1b92.b29c@mx.google.com> This from a member of my sound Guild. Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: patheigham Sent: 11 April 2020 15:04 To: AMPS Members Private Discussion Group Cc: Simon Bishop Subject: RE: [AMPSConnect] Video calling and latency Years ago, when I was stationed at TVC, there were delay lines wound around under the floor boards of the Centre, to synchronise the signals (frame and line drives) from the furthest source (Riverside, then) to match the shortest studio route to CAR (Central Apparatus Room), so that cutting between sources would not create picture disturbance. I wonder if in this electronic age, there could be delay circuits built in to subscribers? material so it all synchronised. If someone then joined from a further away location, then automatically everyone?s delays would be modified. This could be the answer to satellite news contributions! Come on you electronic whizzkids, get thinking! Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Simon Bishop via Connect Sent: 11 April 2020 14:04 To: AMPS Members Private Discussion Group Cc: Simon Bishop Subject: Re: [AMPSConnect] Video calling and latency Much as I think the methodology of doing tests with different app providers is fine? I can?t help thinking that variables like load on the system generally, load on any particular provider as opposed to any other at the particular time of the test etc? is likely to make any test meaningless. Sb Has anyone done any ad-hoc research into which of the various video calling apps has the lowest latency.? I've no doubt that it's hugely variable depending on network speed, number of contributors and many other factors. I spoke to a guy from ITN last week who said that they had been finding WhatsApp generally had lower latency than most, but that hasn't been my experience at all. 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I also hate the way that programmes waste time by trailing later bits of themselves in earlier parts of the show. On commercial channels this is announced as, "Coming up after the break." On the BBC they show a snippet followed by, "More on that later." Although I rather enjoyed the time that Anne Robinson, mis-timing her words, introduced some annoying character who would be appearing later, and then seemed to say, "Moron that. Later . . ." luv, Rog. On Saturday, 11 April 2020, 11:12:25 BST, Paul Thackray via Tech1 wrote: Worst phrase is `joining us from our London studio ....` Which means we sold TVC and are in some distant outpost that few guests will visit in person! Paul Thackray PGT Media Consulting Ltd. 07802 243979 Mail;?paul at pgtmedia.co.uk Web;?http://www.pgtmedia.co.uk Linkedin;???http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/paul-thackray/19/379/746 IMDB;?http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1488554/ sent from my BlackBerry?the most secure mobile device?via the O2 Network ? Original Message ? From: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Sent: 11 April 2020 11:08 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Reply to: dave at davesound.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Different topic In article <5e90d1d4.1c69fb81.94808.1830 at mx.google.com>, ?? patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > In this trying time, I wondered what phrase heard on TV might be most hated? > For me, it?s ?After the break? As I can then expect to sit through five or ten minutes of commercials. 10 minutes? You need to stop watching those strange satellite channels. ;-) The worst are the re-run channels, like Drama and ITV3, that I tend to view quite a bit. Not the ad breaks as such, but the fact they repeat the same commercials over and over again. Easy enough to record then and start watching it say 20 minutes or so later on a 2 hour prog. And spin through the ads. One of my PVRs allows you to set a fixed time skip - ideal for breaks which are often the same length. -- *INDECISION is the key to FLEXIBILITY * ??? Dave Plowman???? dave at davesound.co.uk???? London SW 12 ??? -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Sat Apr 11 10:35:09 2020 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2020 16:35:09 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Moans Message-ID: <8fde3ec1-3833-2696-0d3f-f8b533904e23@btinternet.com> My favourite annoyance happens at the end of any news report and the presenter says - 'Thank you, Joe Bloggs, Joe Bloggs THERE!' If he wasn't THERE he wouldn't have been able to do the report! Cheers, Dave From alawrance1 at me.com Sat Apr 11 10:56:52 2020 From: alawrance1 at me.com (Alasdair Lawrance) Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2020 16:56:52 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Different topic In-Reply-To: <1271021524.7176148.1586614756474@mail.yahoo.com> References: <585f77c587dave@davesound.co.uk> <5t6cng89qp95n16hucerefa4.1586599912937@pgtmedia.co.uk> <1271021524.7176148.1586614756474@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <9C0FA2C2-212F-4EBA-B5C5-013A4B78B522@me.com> Another one that's becoming common is ".....in the coming days". Nothing wrong with ".....in future" or "....in the future", depending on context. Alasdair Lawrance alawrance1 at me.com Don?t blame me, I voted Remain. On 11 Apr 2020, at 15:19, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 wrote: > > Surely, the most annoying phrase of all is, "Over to our Royal Correspondent, Nicholas Witchell." (Someone pass the sick bag!) > > I also hate the way that programmes waste time by trailing later bits of themselves in earlier parts of the show. On commercial channels this is announced as, "Coming up after the break." On the BBC they show a snippet followed by, "More on that later." Although I rather enjoyed the time that Anne Robinson, mis-timing her words, introduced some annoying character who would be appearing later, and then seemed to say, "Moron that. Later . . ." > > luv, Rog. > > > On Saturday, 11 April 2020, 11:12:25 BST, Paul Thackray via Tech1 wrote: > > > Worst phrase is `joining us from our London studio ....` > > Which means we sold TVC and are in some distant outpost that few guests will visit in person! > > > > Paul Thackray > > PGT Media Consulting Ltd. > > 07802 243979 > > Mail; paul at pgtmedia.co.uk > > Web; http://www.pgtmedia.co.uk > > Linkedin; http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/paul-thackray/19/379/746 > > IMDB; http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1488554/ > > sent from my BlackBerry?the most secure mobile device?via the O2 Network > > > Original Message > > > From: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > Sent: 11 April 2020 11:08 > To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > Reply to: dave at davesound.co.uk > Subject: Re: [Tech1] Different topic > > > In article <5e90d1d4.1c69fb81.94808.1830 at mx.google.com >, > patheigham via Tech1 > wrote: > > > In this trying time, I wondered what phrase heard on TV might be most hated? > > For me, it?s ?After the break? As I can then expect to sit through five or ten minutes of commercials. > > 10 minutes? You need to stop watching those strange satellite channels. ;-) > > The worst are the re-run channels, like Drama and ITV3, that I tend to > view quite a bit. Not the ad breaks as such, but the fact they repeat the > same commercials over and over again. > > Easy enough to record then and start watching it say 20 minutes or so > later on a 2 hour prog. And spin through the ads. 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Name: 06Gothic.pdf Type: application/pdf Size: 143367 bytes Desc: not available URL: From dave at davesound.co.uk Sat Apr 11 11:03:11 2020 From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman) Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2020 17:03:11 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] FW: [AMPSConnect] Video calling and latency In-Reply-To: <5e91cfaf.1c69fb81.f1b92.b29c@mx.google.com> References: <1571183796.2746439.1586605787062@mail.yahoo.com> <5e91ce6a.1c69fb81.42385.8d60@mx.google.com> <5e91cfaf.1c69fb81.f1b92.b29c@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <585f98eac9dave@davesound.co.uk> In article <5e91cfaf.1c69fb81.f1b92.b29c at mx.google.com>, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > Years ago, when I was stationed at TVC, there were delay lines wound > around under the floor boards of the Centre, to synchronise the signals > (frame and line drives) from the furthest source (Riverside, then) to > match the shortest studio route to CAR (Central Apparatus Room), so that > cutting between sources would not create picture disturbance. I was told it was just to match all the studios at TC? Would mean miles and miles of cables to make all the same as Riverside? Remember doing an international TV quiz hosted by Eamonn Andrews for Thames. Called Top of the World. One important thing was all the countries involved heard the question (from the UK) at the same time. Total nightmare, and don't think it went beyond one series. -- *You sound reasonable......time to up my medication Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From mibridge at mac.com Sat Apr 11 13:30:56 2020 From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles) Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2020 19:30:56 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Moans In-Reply-To: <8fde3ec1-3833-2696-0d3f-f8b533904e23@btinternet.com> References: <8fde3ec1-3833-2696-0d3f-f8b533904e23@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <9746D82F-C815-4002-909E-AF68F2962BCC@mac.com> In fact, my unfavourite news presenter (they used to be newsreaders!) usually says ?Joe Bloggs there FOR US? which I find terribly condescending of him, for much the same reasons as Dave. And he always seems to think that we shall be delving deeply into the BBC News web-site, because we are so pathetically ignorant that we need to become better informed. Shame that he annoys me so much, because my son-in-law tells me he?s really a very nice man! Mike G > On 11 Apr 2020, at 16:35, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: > > ?My favourite annoyance happens at the end of any news report and the presenter says - 'Thank you, Joe Bloggs, Joe Bloggs THERE!' If he wasn't THERE he wouldn't have been able to do the report! Cheers, Dave > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From mibridge at mac.com Sat Apr 11 13:37:12 2020 From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles) Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2020 19:37:12 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Different topic In-Reply-To: <9C0FA2C2-212F-4EBA-B5C5-013A4B78B522@me.com> References: <9C0FA2C2-212F-4EBA-B5C5-013A4B78B522@me.com> Message-ID: You?ve reminded me, Alasdair, that my principle dislike is probably ?going forward?, when, as you say, what is meant is ?in future?. Mike G > On 11 Apr 2020, at 16:57, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 wrote: > > ?Another one that's becoming common is ".....in the coming days". Nothing wrong with ".....in future" or "....in the future", depending on context. > > > Alasdair Lawrance > alawrance1 at me.com > > Don?t blame me, I voted Remain. > > On 11 Apr 2020, at 15:19, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 wrote: >> >> Surely, the most annoying phrase of all is, "Over to our Royal Correspondent, Nicholas Witchell." (Someone pass the sick bag!) >> >> I also hate the way that programmes waste time by trailing later bits of themselves in earlier parts of the show. On commercial channels this is announced as, "Coming up after the break." On the BBC they show a snippet followed by, "More on that later." Although I rather enjoyed the time that Anne Robinson, mis-timing her words, introduced some annoying character who would be appearing later, and then seemed to say, "Moron that. Later . . ." >> >> luv, Rog. >> >> >> On Saturday, 11 April 2020, 11:12:25 BST, Paul Thackray via Tech1 wrote: >> >> >> Worst phrase is `joining us from our London studio ....` >> >> Which means we sold TVC and are in some distant outpost that few guests will visit in person! >> >> >> >> Paul Thackray >> >> PGT Media Consulting Ltd. >> >> 07802 243979 >> >> Mail; paul at pgtmedia.co.uk >> >> Web; http://www.pgtmedia.co.uk >> >> Linkedin; http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/paul-thackray/19/379/746 >> >> IMDB; http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1488554/ >> >> sent from my BlackBerry?the most secure mobile device?via the O2 Network >> >> >> Original Message >> >> >> From: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> Sent: 11 April 2020 11:08 >> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> Reply to: dave at davesound.co.uk >> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Different topic >> >> >> In article <5e90d1d4.1c69fb81.94808.1830 at mx.google.com>, >> patheigham via Tech1 wrote: >> >> > In this trying time, I wondered what phrase heard on TV might be most hated? >> > For me, it?s ?After the break? As I can then expect to sit through five or ten minutes of commercials. >> >> 10 minutes? You need to stop watching those strange satellite channels. ;-) >> >> The worst are the re-run channels, like Drama and ITV3, that I tend to >> view quite a bit. Not the ad breaks as such, but the fact they repeat the >> same commercials over and over again. >> >> Easy enough to record then and start watching it say 20 minutes or so >> later on a 2 hour prog. And spin through the ads. 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Mike G > On 11 Apr 2020, at 17:10, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: > > ?In article <5e91cfaf.1c69fb81.f1b92.b29c at mx.google.com>, > patheigham via Tech1 wrote: >> Years ago, when I was stationed at TVC, there were delay lines wound >> around under the floor boards of the Centre, to synchronise the signals >> (frame and line drives) from the furthest source (Riverside, then) to >> match the shortest studio route to CAR (Central Apparatus Room), so that >> cutting between sources would not create picture disturbance. > > I was told it was just to match all the studios at TC? Would mean miles > and miles of cables to make all the same as Riverside? > > Remember doing an international TV quiz hosted by Eamonn Andrews for > Thames. Called Top of the World. One important thing was all the countries > involved heard the question (from the UK) at the same time. > > Total nightmare, and don't think it went beyond one series. > > -- > *You sound reasonable......time to up my medication > > Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From mibridge at mac.com Sat Apr 11 13:48:12 2020 From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles) Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2020 19:48:12 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] FW: [AMPSConnect] Video calling and latency References: Message-ID: Speaking of technical wizardry, I?m very surprised that no-one has yet come up with a box to make vehicle wheels rotate in the right direction. Even after all these years, I still find contra-rotating wheels very disconcerting, particularly in an otherwise gripping production, because it suddenly reminds me that everything I am watching is an illusion! Mike G >> On 11 Apr 2020, at 17:10, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: >> >> ?In article <5e91cfaf.1c69fb81.f1b92.b29c at mx.google.com>, >> patheigham via Tech1 wrote: >> Years ago, when I was stationed at TVC, there were delay lines wound >> around under the floor boards of the Centre, to synchronise the signals >> (frame and line drives) from the furthest source (Riverside, then) to >> match the shortest studio route to CAR (Central Apparatus Room), so that >> cutting between sources would not create picture disturbance. > > I was told it was just to match all the studios at TC? Would mean miles > and miles of cables to make all the same as Riverside? > > Remember doing an international TV quiz hosted by Eamonn Andrews for > Thames. Called Top of the World. One important thing was all the countries > involved heard the question (from the UK) at the same time. > > Total nightmare, and don't think it went beyond one series. > > -- > *You sound reasonable......time to up my medication > > Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From mikej at bmanor.co.uk Sat Apr 11 14:03:08 2020 From: mikej at bmanor.co.uk (Mike Jordan) Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2020 20:03:08 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Different topic In-Reply-To: References: <9C0FA2C2-212F-4EBA-B5C5-013A4B78B522@me.com> Message-ID: <6FA3C58F04F149BCA2375C4088C4852B@Gigabyte> We won?t go into the ?almost literally? and ?my friend and myself? or ?myself and my friend? Since when has ?me? or ?I? gone out of our language? Mike From: Mike Giles via Tech1 Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2020 7:37 PM To: Alasdair Lawrance Cc: Tech Ops List Subject: Re: [Tech1] Different topic You?ve reminded me, Alasdair, that my principle dislike is probably ?going forward?, when, as you say, what is meant is ?in future?. Mike G -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From martin at theeccles.uk Sat Apr 11 14:16:04 2020 From: martin at theeccles.uk (Martin Eccles) Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2020 20:16:04 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Not extremities quiz In-Reply-To: <65a2e113-8e92-0a1e-86e9-a117ef2b39a8@gmail.com> References: <9c6c8f7d-f4b1-3d8f-0d7f-a30fac95812c@gmail.com> <65a2e113-8e92-0a1e-86e9-a117ef2b39a8@gmail.com> Message-ID: <000a01d61035$a569e520$f03daf60$@theeccles.uk> This is the street in Village Bay on St Kilda way out West beyond the Outer Hebrides? Martin. From: Tech1 On Behalf Of Bernard Newnham via Tech1 Sent: 10 April 2020 14:35 To: Graeme Wall Cc: Tech ops Subject: Re: [Tech1] Not extremities quiz Ah - I do have that kind of extremity. A day off from filming in Geneva. Inside, a lady was vigorously mopping the loo floors. Outside, I was terribly eager to get back down to the next level at 10,000ft Quiz answer anyone? B On 10/04/2020 13:46, Graeme Wall wrote: For a different extremity, this is about as high as I?ve got, The Mer de Glace in the French Alps. Any resemblanc to a pre-war railway poster is entirely deliberate. ? Graeme Wall On 10 Apr 2020, at 12:31, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 > wrote: I can't offer an extremity pic - looks a bit too chilly for me - so here is a question. Where is this, and for anoraks, what happened here, apart from our hols a few years ago? 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On 11 Apr 2020, at 20:16, Martin Eccles via Tech1 wrote: > This is the street in Village Bay on St Kilda way out West beyond the Outer Hebrides? > Martin. > > > > > From: Tech1 On Behalf Of Bernard Newnham via Tech1 > Sent: 10 April 2020 14:35 > To: Graeme Wall > Cc: Tech ops > Subject: Re: [Tech1] Not extremities quiz > > Ah - I do have that kind of extremity. A day off from filming in Geneva. Inside, a lady was vigorously mopping the loo floors. Outside, I was terribly eager to get back down to the next level at 10,000ft > > Quiz answer anyone? > > B > > > > On 10/04/2020 13:46, Graeme Wall wrote: > For a different extremity, this is about as high as I?ve got, The Mer de Glace in the French Alps. Any resemblanc to a pre-war railway poster is entirely deliberate. > ? > Graeme Wall > > > > > > On 10 Apr 2020, at 12:31, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: > > I can't offer an extremity pic - looks a bit too chilly for me - so here is a question. Where is this, and for anoraks, what happened here, apart from our hols a few years ago? > > > > B > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: St.Kilda Cruise 2019.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 3607785 bytes Desc: not available URL: From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net Sat Apr 11 15:04:32 2020 From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt) Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2020 21:04:32 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Different topic In-Reply-To: References: <9C0FA2C2-212F-4EBA-B5C5-013A4B78B522@me.com> Message-ID: 100% with you on that one Mike, I always think where the hell else would a development be going ? sideways or backwards? Dave Newbitt. From: Mike Giles via Tech1 Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2020 7:37 PM To: Alasdair Lawrance Cc: Tech Ops List Subject: Re: [Tech1] Different topic You?ve reminded me, Alasdair, that my principle dislike is probably ?going forward?, when, as you say, what is meant is ?in future?. Mike G On 11 Apr 2020, at 16:57, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 wrote: ?Another one that's becoming common is ".....in the coming days". Nothing wrong with ".....in future" or "....in the future", depending on context. Alasdair Lawrance alawrance1 at me.com Don?t blame me, I voted Remain. On 11 Apr 2020, at 15:19, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 wrote: Surely, the most annoying phrase of all is, "Over to our Royal Correspondent, Nicholas Witchell." (Someone pass the sick bag!) I also hate the way that programmes waste time by trailing later bits of themselves in earlier parts of the show. On commercial channels this is announced as, "Coming up after the break." On the BBC they show a snippet followed by, "More on that later." Although I rather enjoyed the time that Anne Robinson, mis-timing her words, introduced some annoying character who would be appearing later, and then seemed to say, "Moron that. Later . . ." luv, Rog. On Saturday, 11 April 2020, 11:12:25 BST, Paul Thackray via Tech1 wrote: Worst phrase is `joining us from our London studio ....` Which means we sold TVC and are in some distant outpost that few guests will visit in person! Paul Thackray PGT Media Consulting Ltd. 07802 243979 Mail; paul at pgtmedia.co.uk Web; http://www.pgtmedia.co.uk Linkedin; http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/paul-thackray/19/379/746 IMDB; http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1488554/ sent from my BlackBerry?the most secure mobile device?via the O2 Network Original Message From: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Sent: 11 April 2020 11:08 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Reply to: dave at davesound.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Different topic In article <5e90d1d4.1c69fb81.94808.1830 at mx.google.com>, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > In this trying time, I wondered what phrase heard on TV might be most hated? > For me, it?s ?After the break? As I can then expect to sit through five or ten minutes of commercials. 10 minutes? You need to stop watching those strange satellite channels. ;-) The worst are the re-run channels, like Drama and ITV3, that I tend to view quite a bit. Not the ad breaks as such, but the fact they repeat the same commercials over and over again. Easy enough to record then and start watching it say 20 minutes or so later on a 2 hour prog. And spin through the ads. One of my PVRs allows you to set a fixed time skip - ideal for breaks which are often the same length. -- *INDECISION is the key to FLEXIBILITY * Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mibridge at mac.com Sat Apr 11 15:57:45 2020 From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles) Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2020 21:57:45 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Different topic In-Reply-To: <6FA3C58F04F149BCA2375C4088C4852B@Gigabyte> References: <9C0FA2C2-212F-4EBA-B5C5-013A4B78B522@me.com> <6FA3C58F04F149BCA2375C4088C4852B@Gigabyte> Message-ID: What I haven?t heard recently is the memorable ?I, myself, personally???..? usually uttered by the same type as the ?I find I have nine children? lady from one of the washing powder adverts. It was always a matter of conjecture as to just when she had made this dramatic discovery! Mike G > On 11 Apr 2020, at 20:03, Mike Jordan via Tech1 wrote: > > We won?t go into the ?almost literally? and ?my friend and myself? or ?myself and my friend? Since when has ?me? or ?I? gone out of our language? > > Mike > > From: Mike Giles via Tech1 > Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2020 7:37 PM > To: Alasdair Lawrance > Cc: Tech Ops List > Subject: Re: [Tech1] Different topic > > You?ve reminded me, Alasdair, that my principle dislike is probably ?going forward?, when, as you say, what is meant is ?in future?. > > Mike G > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From barrybonner119 at btinternet.com Sat Apr 11 16:01:48 2020 From: barrybonner119 at btinternet.com (Barry Bonner) Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2020 22:01:48 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Different topic In-Reply-To: References: <9C0FA2C2-212F-4EBA-B5C5-013A4B78B522@me.com> <6FA3C58F04F149BCA2375C4088C4852B@Gigabyte> Message-ID: <744A33C3-3DDC-4FC4-9CB4-7552EF7F0DD7@btinternet.com> I have heard recently on the News... ?I myself have been self-isolating?! Barry. On 11 Apr 2020, at 21:57, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: > What I haven?t heard recently is the memorable ?I, myself, personally???..? usually uttered by the same type as the ?I find I have nine children? lady from one of the washing powder adverts. It was always a matter of conjecture as to just when she had made this dramatic discovery! > > Mike G > >> On 11 Apr 2020, at 20:03, Mike Jordan via Tech1 wrote: >> >> We won?t go into the ?almost literally? and ?my friend and myself? or ?myself and my friend? Since when has ?me? or ?I? gone out of our language? >> >> Mike >> >> From: Mike Giles via Tech1 >> Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2020 7:37 PM >> To: Alasdair Lawrance >> Cc: Tech Ops List >> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Different topic >> >> You?ve reminded me, Alasdair, that my principle dislike is probably ?going forward?, when, as you say, what is meant is ?in future?. >> >> Mike G >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From s.k.edwards at btinternet.com Sat Apr 11 16:05:18 2020 From: s.k.edwards at btinternet.com (Steve Edwards) Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2020 22:05:18 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Moans In-Reply-To: <9746D82F-C815-4002-909E-AF68F2962BCC@mac.com> References: <9746D82F-C815-4002-909E-AF68F2962BCC@mac.com> Message-ID: And that very same news ?presenter? (along with others) annoys me when he ends his stint with his closing condescending line of ?Over to the News whenever You are? As if to say that?s all from high salary presenters like me here in London & over to you residing in the poor ?regions? with the much lower budget BBC news ?readers? and weather presenters ....mind, we certainly have a very colourful mix of presenters here at BBC Manchester/Salford - I guess won?t be on matching salaries of Fiona Bruce or Ewe Edwards ! A further Big annoyance is that surplus to requirements robotic camera & autocue that pointlessly pans around at the REAR of the presenters during the intro to News at 10 .....the damn thing seems to be wired to the music like a ?do what you can for a fiver? pyrotechnics display - it does it every night and it?s been going on for years! Things have certainly changed since the Richard Baker & Kenneth Kendal days when they ?read? the news! S > On 11 Apr 2020, at 19:31, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: > > ?In fact, my unfavourite news presenter (they used to be newsreaders!) usually says ?Joe Bloggs there FOR US? which I find terribly condescending of him, for much the same reasons as Dave. And he always seems to think that we shall be delving deeply into the BBC News web-site, because we are so pathetically ignorant that we need to become better informed. Shame that he annoys me so much, because my son-in-law tells me he?s really a very nice man! > > Mike G > >> On 11 Apr 2020, at 16:35, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: >> >> ?My favourite annoyance happens at the end of any news report and the presenter says - 'Thank you, Joe Bloggs, Joe Bloggs THERE!' If he wasn't THERE he wouldn't have been able to do the report! Cheers, Dave >> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From s.k.edwards at btinternet.com Sat Apr 11 16:05:18 2020 From: s.k.edwards at btinternet.com (Steve Edwards) Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2020 22:05:18 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Moans In-Reply-To: <9746D82F-C815-4002-909E-AF68F2962BCC@mac.com> References: <9746D82F-C815-4002-909E-AF68F2962BCC@mac.com> Message-ID: And that very same news ?presenter? (along with others) annoys me when he ends his stint with his closing condescending line of ?Over to the News whenever You are? As if to say that?s all from high salary presenters like me here in London & over to you residing in the poor ?regions? with the much lower budget BBC news ?readers? and weather presenters ....mind, we certainly have a very colourful mix of presenters here at BBC Manchester/Salford - I guess won?t be on matching salaries of Fiona Bruce or Ewe Edwards ! A further Big annoyance is that surplus to requirements robotic camera & autocue that pointlessly pans around at the REAR of the presenters during the intro to News at 10 .....the damn thing seems to be wired to the music like a ?do what you can for a fiver? pyrotechnics display - it does it every night and it?s been going on for years! Things have certainly changed since the Richard Baker & Kenneth Kendal days when they ?read? the news! S > On 11 Apr 2020, at 19:31, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: > > ?In fact, my unfavourite news presenter (they used to be newsreaders!) usually says ?Joe Bloggs there FOR US? which I find terribly condescending of him, for much the same reasons as Dave. And he always seems to think that we shall be delving deeply into the BBC News web-site, because we are so pathetically ignorant that we need to become better informed. Shame that he annoys me so much, because my son-in-law tells me he?s really a very nice man! > > Mike G > >> On 11 Apr 2020, at 16:35, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: >> >> ?My favourite annoyance happens at the end of any news report and the presenter says - 'Thank you, Joe Bloggs, Joe Bloggs THERE!' If he wasn't THERE he wouldn't have been able to do the report! Cheers, Dave >> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alawrance1 at me.com Sat Apr 11 16:43:24 2020 From: alawrance1 at me.com (Alasdair Lawrance) Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2020 22:43:24 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Different topic In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8DB776FB-AECE-4AA7-AE7D-1F65E561EA6D@me.com> Agreed, Mike, I?d forgotten how annoying that is. Alasdair Lawrance Don?t blame me, I voted Remain. > On 11 Apr 2020, at 19:37, Mike Giles wrote: > > ? > You?ve reminded me, Alasdair, that my principle dislike is probably ?going forward?, when, as you say, what is meant is ?in future?. > > Mike G >>> On 11 Apr 2020, at 16:57, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 wrote: >>> >> ?Another one that's becoming common is ".....in the coming days". Nothing wrong with ".....in future" or "....in the future", depending on context. >> >> >> Alasdair Lawrance >> alawrance1 at me.com >> >> Don?t blame me, I voted Remain. >> >> On 11 Apr 2020, at 15:19, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 wrote: >>> >>> Surely, the most annoying phrase of all is, "Over to our Royal Correspondent, Nicholas Witchell." (Someone pass the sick bag!) >>> >>> I also hate the way that programmes waste time by trailing later bits of themselves in earlier parts of the show. On commercial channels this is announced as, "Coming up after the break." On the BBC they show a snippet followed by, "More on that later." Although I rather enjoyed the time that Anne Robinson, mis-timing her words, introduced some annoying character who would be appearing later, and then seemed to say, "Moron that. Later . . ." >>> >>> luv, Rog. >>> >>> >>> On Saturday, 11 April 2020, 11:12:25 BST, Paul Thackray via Tech1 wrote: >>> >>> >>> Worst phrase is `joining us from our London studio ....` >>> >>> Which means we sold TVC and are in some distant outpost that few guests will visit in person! >>> >>> >>> >>> Paul Thackray >>> >>> PGT Media Consulting Ltd. >>> >>> 07802 243979 >>> >>> Mail; paul at pgtmedia.co.uk >>> >>> Web; http://www.pgtmedia.co.uk >>> >>> Linkedin; http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/paul-thackray/19/379/746 >>> >>> IMDB; http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1488554/ >>> >>> sent from my BlackBerry?the most secure mobile device?via the O2 Network >>> >>> >>> Original Message >>> >>> >>> From: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> Sent: 11 April 2020 11:08 >>> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> Reply to: dave at davesound.co.uk >>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Different topic >>> >>> >>> In article <5e90d1d4.1c69fb81.94808.1830 at mx.google.com>, >>> patheigham via Tech1 wrote: >>> >>> > In this trying time, I wondered what phrase heard on TV might be most hated? >>> > For me, it?s ?After the break? As I can then expect to sit through five or ten minutes of commercials. >>> >>> 10 minutes? You need to stop watching those strange satellite channels. ;-) >>> >>> The worst are the re-run channels, like Drama and ITV3, that I tend to >>> view quite a bit. Not the ad breaks as such, but the fact they repeat the >>> same commercials over and over again. >>> >>> Easy enough to record then and start watching it say 20 minutes or so >>> later on a 2 hour prog. And spin through the ads. One of my PVRs allows >>> you to set a fixed time skip - ideal for breaks which are often the same >>> length. >>> >>> -- >>> *INDECISION is the key to FLEXIBILITY * >>> >>> Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>> >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alawrance1 at me.com Sat Apr 11 16:48:40 2020 From: alawrance1 at me.com (Alasdair Lawrance) Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2020 22:48:40 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Different topic In-Reply-To: <744A33C3-3DDC-4FC4-9CB4-7552EF7F0DD7@btinternet.com> References: <744A33C3-3DDC-4FC4-9CB4-7552EF7F0DD7@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <04330671-69F3-4453-A74D-A9861EAE8E6F@me.com> Waiters in certain restaurants - ?Are you guys ready to order?. I know times change, but my beloved is certainly not a guy, and neither am I, at my advanced years! Alasdair Lawrance Don?t blame me, I voted Remain. > On 11 Apr 2020, at 22:02, Barry Bonner via Tech1 wrote: > > ?I have heard recently on the News... ?I myself have been self-isolating?! > Barry. > > > >> On 11 Apr 2020, at 21:57, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: >> >> What I haven?t heard recently is the memorable ?I, myself, personally???..? usually uttered by the same type as the ?I find I have nine children? lady from one of the washing powder adverts. It was always a matter of conjecture as to just when she had made this dramatic discovery! >> >> Mike G >> >>> On 11 Apr 2020, at 20:03, Mike Jordan via Tech1 wrote: >>> >>> We won?t go into the ?almost literally? and ?my friend and myself? or ?myself and my friend? Since when has ?me? or ?I? gone out of our language? >>> >>> Mike >>> >>> From: Mike Giles via Tech1 >>> Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2020 7:37 PM >>> To: Alasdair Lawrance >>> Cc: Tech Ops List >>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Different topic >>> >>> You?ve reminded me, Alasdair, that my principle dislike is probably ?going forward?, when, as you say, what is meant is ?in future?. >>> >>> Mike G >>> >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Sat Apr 11 16:58:23 2020 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2020 22:58:23 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Moans In-Reply-To: References: <9746D82F-C815-4002-909E-AF68F2962BCC@mac.com> Message-ID: <5e923d80.1c69fb81.86003.eb17@mx.google.com> Is it a rash of new, young directors, who haven?t a clue as to what makes good TV? I remember a time at TVC when new directors were given a studio and crew to assess their suitability. I stay with friends in Somerset and view the local news sector - Spotlight, which is perfectly presented and vision cut. The trouble with the London area is that the news ?where you are? is the same as we have just seen on the main news, as that comes from London! At least the remote controlled cameras do not need an operator to stay 2m from the presenter! Uggghh! Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Steve Edwards via Tech1 Sent: 11 April 2020 22:05 To: Mike Giles Cc: Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Moans And that very same news ?presenter? (along with others) annoys me when he ends his stint with his closing condescending line of ?Over to the News whenever You are? As if to say that?s all from high salary presenters like me here in London & over to you residing in the poor ?regions? with the much lower budget BBC news ?readers? and weather presenters ?....mind, we certainly have a very colourful mix of presenters here at BBC Manchester/Salford ?- I guess won?t be on matching salaries of Fiona Bruce or Ewe Edwards ! A further Big annoyance is that surplus to requirements robotic camera & autocue that pointlessly pans around at the REAR?of the presenters during the intro to News at 10 .....the damn thing seems to be wired to the music like a ?do what you can for a fiver? pyrotechnics display - it does it every night and it?s been going on for years! Things have certainly changed since the Richard Baker & Kenneth Kendal days when they ?read? the news! S On 11 Apr 2020, at 19:31, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: ?In fact, my unfavourite news presenter (they used to be newsreaders!) usually says ?Joe Bloggs there FOR US? which I find terribly condescending of him, for much the same reasons as Dave. And he always seems to think that we shall be delving deeply into the BBC News web-site, because we are so pathetically ignorant that we need to become better informed. Shame that he annoys me so much, because my son-in-law tells me he?s really a very nice man! Mike G On 11 Apr 2020, at 16:35, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: ?My favourite annoyance happens at the end of any news report and the presenter says - 'Thank you, Joe Bloggs, Joe Bloggs THERE!' If he wasn't THERE he wouldn't have been able to do the report! Cheers, Dave -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Sat Apr 11 17:11:32 2020 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2020 23:11:32 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Moans In-Reply-To: <8fde3ec1-3833-2696-0d3f-f8b533904e23@btinternet.com> References: <8fde3ec1-3833-2696-0d3f-f8b533904e23@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <5e924095.1c69fb81.aee3f.e248@mx.google.com> Tea bar chat: Well, I seem to have lighted upon a topic that has spawned a sheaf of replies - we must make our own amusement with ?lockdown leisure? Keep it up, people! Pat (Mine?s a tea, milk, two sugars!) Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: dave.mdv via Tech1 Sent: 11 April 2020 16:34 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: [Tech1] Moans My favourite annoyance happens at the end of any news report and the presenter says - 'Thank you, Joe Bloggs, Joe Bloggs THERE!' If he wasn't THERE he wouldn't have been able to do the report! Cheers, Dave -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Sat Apr 11 17:19:14 2020 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2020 23:19:14 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Blindly reading autocue Message-ID: <5e924262.1c69fb81.3f377.300a@mx.google.com> Apologies if you?ve seen his before. Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bernie833 at gmail.com Sun Apr 12 05:20:56 2020 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2020 11:20:56 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Queen visits TC3 in 1961 Message-ID: <348f9f9f-5e61-c55f-b903-bc2b6f723dfb@gmail.com> Someone on Facebook has found these Pathe News 16mm rushes - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCg9y2n7KRI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qH87uJdzWRs Name those workers..... B -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From s.k.edwards at btinternet.com Sun Apr 12 05:39:18 2020 From: s.k.edwards at btinternet.com (Steve Edwards) Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2020 11:39:18 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Moans References: <462550C8-3741-4761-B49A-2F1EEB6A05B7.ref@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <462550C8-3741-4761-B49A-2F1EEB6A05B7@btinternet.com> ?An ?apology to any farmers & sheep lovers for the misspelling of Welsh news presenter Huw (not Ewe) Edwards (autospell has a mind of its own over here in Wales) S ?????????????? And that very same news ?presenter? (along with others) annoys me when he ends his stint with his closing condescending line of ?Over to the News whenever You are? As if to say that?s all from high salary presenters like me here in London & over to you residing in the poor ?regions? with the much lower budget BBC news ?readers? and weather presenters ....mind, we certainly have a very colourful mix of presenters here at BBC Manchester/Salford - I guess won?t be on matching salaries of Fiona Bruce or Ewe Edwards ! A further Big annoyance is that surplus to requirements robotic camera & autocue that pointlessly pans around at the REAR of the presenters during the intro to News at 10 .....the damn thing seems to be wired to the title music like a ?do what you can for a fiver? pyrotechnics display - it does it every night and it?s been going on for years! Things have certainly changed since the Richard Baker & Kenneth Kendal days when they ?read? the news! S >> On 11 Apr 2020, at 22:05, Steve Edwards via Tech1 wrote: > ? > And that very same news ?presenter? (along with others) annoys me when he ends his stint with his closing condescending line of ?Over to the News whenever You are? > > As if to say that?s all from high salary presenters like me here in London & over to you residing in the poor ?regions? with the much lower budget BBC news ?readers? and weather presenters ....mind, we certainly have a very colourful mix of presenters here at BBC Manchester/Salford - I guess won?t be on matching salaries of Fiona Bruce or Ewe Edwards ! > > A further Big annoyance is that surplus to requirements robotic camera & autocue that pointlessly pans around at the REAR of the presenters during the intro to News at 10 .....the damn thing seems to be wired to the music like a ?do what you can for a fiver? pyrotechnics display - it does it every night and it?s been going on for years! > > Things have certainly changed since the Richard Baker & Kenneth Kendal days when they ?read? the news! > > S > > > >>> On 11 Apr 2020, at 19:31, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: >> ?In fact, my unfavourite news presenter (they used to be newsreaders!) usually says ?Joe Bloggs there FOR US? which I find terribly condescending of him, for much the same reasons as Dave. And he always seems to think that we shall be delving deeply into the BBC News web-site, because we are so pathetically ignorant that we need to become better informed. Shame that he annoys me so much, because my son-in-law tells me he?s really a very nice man! >> >> Mike G >> >>> On 11 Apr 2020, at 16:35, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: >>> >>> ?My favourite annoyance happens at the end of any news report and the presenter says - 'Thank you, Joe Bloggs, Joe Bloggs THERE!' If he wasn't THERE he wouldn't have been able to do the report! Cheers, Dave >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 139940 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 70904 bytes Desc: not available URL: From s.k.edwards at btinternet.com Sun Apr 12 05:39:18 2020 From: s.k.edwards at btinternet.com (Steve Edwards) Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2020 11:39:18 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Moans References: <462550C8-3741-4761-B49A-2F1EEB6A05B7.ref@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <462550C8-3741-4761-B49A-2F1EEB6A05B7@btinternet.com> ?An ?apology to any farmers & sheep lovers for the misspelling of Welsh news presenter Huw (not Ewe) Edwards (autospell has a mind of its own over here in Wales) S ?????????????? And that very same news ?presenter? (along with others) annoys me when he ends his stint with his closing condescending line of ?Over to the News whenever You are? As if to say that?s all from high salary presenters like me here in London & over to you residing in the poor ?regions? with the much lower budget BBC news ?readers? and weather presenters ....mind, we certainly have a very colourful mix of presenters here at BBC Manchester/Salford - I guess won?t be on matching salaries of Fiona Bruce or Ewe Edwards ! A further Big annoyance is that surplus to requirements robotic camera & autocue that pointlessly pans around at the REAR of the presenters during the intro to News at 10 .....the damn thing seems to be wired to the title music like a ?do what you can for a fiver? pyrotechnics display - it does it every night and it?s been going on for years! Things have certainly changed since the Richard Baker & Kenneth Kendal days when they ?read? the news! S >> On 11 Apr 2020, at 22:05, Steve Edwards via Tech1 wrote: > ? > And that very same news ?presenter? (along with others) annoys me when he ends his stint with his closing condescending line of ?Over to the News whenever You are? > > As if to say that?s all from high salary presenters like me here in London & over to you residing in the poor ?regions? with the much lower budget BBC news ?readers? and weather presenters ....mind, we certainly have a very colourful mix of presenters here at BBC Manchester/Salford - I guess won?t be on matching salaries of Fiona Bruce or Ewe Edwards ! > > A further Big annoyance is that surplus to requirements robotic camera & autocue that pointlessly pans around at the REAR of the presenters during the intro to News at 10 .....the damn thing seems to be wired to the music like a ?do what you can for a fiver? pyrotechnics display - it does it every night and it?s been going on for years! > > Things have certainly changed since the Richard Baker & Kenneth Kendal days when they ?read? the news! > > S > > > >>> On 11 Apr 2020, at 19:31, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: >> ?In fact, my unfavourite news presenter (they used to be newsreaders!) usually says ?Joe Bloggs there FOR US? which I find terribly condescending of him, for much the same reasons as Dave. And he always seems to think that we shall be delving deeply into the BBC News web-site, because we are so pathetically ignorant that we need to become better informed. Shame that he annoys me so much, because my son-in-law tells me he?s really a very nice man! >> >> Mike G >> >>> On 11 Apr 2020, at 16:35, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: >>> >>> ?My favourite annoyance happens at the end of any news report and the presenter says - 'Thank you, Joe Bloggs, Joe Bloggs THERE!' If he wasn't THERE he wouldn't have been able to do the report! Cheers, Dave >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Was that the very first episode?)And Michael Barrett, with his bulging eyes, used to pronounce the word "Nationwide" with a savour and grandeur which is impossible to imitate?And politicians, and journalists, and anyone who wasn't Michael Barrett, suddenly started using the phrase, "Up and down the country." as though they were all desperate to avoid using the word "Nationwide"? luv, Rog. On Saturday, 11 April 2020, 21:05:08 BST, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: 100% with you on that one Mike, I always think where the hell else would a development be going ? sideways or backwards??Dave Newbitt.?From: Mike Giles via Tech1 Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2020 7:37 PMTo: Alasdair Lawrance Cc: Tech Ops List Subject: Re: [Tech1] Different topic?You?ve reminded me, Alasdair, that my principle dislike is probably ?going forward?, when, as you say, what is meant is ?in future?. ?Mike G On 11 Apr 2020, at 16:57, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 wrote: ?Another one that's becoming common is ".....in the coming days".?? Nothing wrong with? ".....in future" or "....in the future", depending on context. ? ? Alasdair Lawrance alawrance1 at me.com Don?t blame me, I voted Remain. On 11 Apr 2020, at 15:19, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 wrote: Surely, the most annoying phrase of all is, "Over to our Royal Correspondent, Nicholas Witchell." (Someone pass the sick bag!) ? I also hate the way that programmes waste time by trailing later bits of themselves in earlier parts of the show. On commercial channels this is announced as, "Coming up after the break." On the BBC they show a snippet followed by, "More on that later." Although I rather enjoyed the time that Anne Robinson, mis-timing her words, introduced some annoying character who would be appearing later, and then seemed to say, "Moron that. Later . . ." ? luv, Rog. ? ? On Saturday, 11 April 2020, 11:12:25 BST, Paul Thackray via Tech1 wrote: ? ? Worst phrase is `joining us from our London studio ....` Which means we sold TVC and are in some distant outpost that few guests will visit in person! Paul Thackray PGT Media Consulting Ltd. 07802 243979 Mail; paul at pgtmedia.co.uk Web; http://www.pgtmedia.co.uk Linkedin;?? http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/paul-thackray/19/379/746 IMDB; http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1488554/ sent from my BlackBerry?the most secure mobile device?via the O2 Network ? Original Message? From: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Sent: 11 April 2020 11:08 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Reply to: dave at davesound.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Different topic In article <5e90d1d4.1c69fb81.94808.1830 at mx.google.com>, ?? patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > In this trying time, I wondered what phrase heard on TV might be most hated? > For me, it?s ?After the break? As I can then expect to sit through five or ten minutes of commercials. 10 minutes? You need to stop watching those strange satellite channels. ;-) The worst are the re-run channels, like Drama and ITV3, that I tend to view quite a bit. Not the ad breaks as such, but the fact they repeat the same commercials over and over again. Easy enough to record then and start watching it say 20 minutes or so later on a 2 hour prog. And spin through the ads. One of my PVRs allows you to set a fixed time skip - ideal for breaks which are often the same length. -- *INDECISION is the key to FLEXIBILITY * ??? 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URL: From dave at davesound.co.uk Sun Apr 12 08:09:28 2020 From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman) Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2020 14:09:28 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] One for the literati. ;-) Message-ID: <58600cd974dave@davesound.co.uk> I've received a couple of weekly food parcels but no longer need more as I'm now on a supermarket priority list. Phoned my local council help line to find out how to stop further ones. Was told they'd been asked this several times, and didn't have the answer. They said the simplest way was just to put a note on the front door on delivery day. A pal locally has the same problem. So I'm intending printing and laminating a couple of notices to hang on the front door, one each of us. Ideally, big enough to be read easily from the street about 3 metres from the front door. Preferably 1/2 A4, as I have loads of pouches that size. What would you write on it? To be clear to the delivery driver, and not make neighbours etc think you'd died? ;-) And keeping the largest possible font size in mind, as concise as possible? -- *Income tax service - We?ve got what it takes to take what you've got. Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From dudley.darby at gmail.com Sun Apr 12 09:02:02 2020 From: dudley.darby at gmail.com (Dudley Darby) Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2020 15:02:02 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Different topic In-Reply-To: <2060935484.7560631.1586693841833@mail.yahoo.com> References: <9C0FA2C2-212F-4EBA-B5C5-013A4B78B522@me.com> <2060935484.7560631.1586693841833@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8DAAA4D1B41E4121B0997F9188580C45@CustomPC> Yes, it had been lined up with orbiting on (it was on an EMI 4?? IO on that first one, later replaced with a vidicon). The caption had sat there all day, and with seconds to go a passing engineer switched orbit off. On one of the final dry runs two of the Sports people popped in to watch, Brian Venner and Bryan Cowgill I think. After a somewhat shambolic set of opts the quite large production committee were congratulating themselves on not falling ?off air? with such a complicated show when a loudish voice from the back declared ?We do it every Saturday ? properly.? Dudley Dudley C. Darby Email: Dudley.Darby at gmail.com P Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail _____ From: Tech1 [mailto:tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk] On Behalf Of ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 Sent: 12 April 2020 13:17 To: Tech Ops List Subject: Re: [Tech1] Different topic Anyone remember when "Nationwide" first started? (And a youthful Dick Green, on his camera attachment, re-christened it "ATIONWID", by failing to zoom out far enough! Was that the very first episode?) And Michael Barrett, with his bulging eyes, used to pronounce the word "Nationwide" with a savour and grandeur which is impossible to imitate? And politicians, and journalists, and anyone who wasn't Michael Barrett, suddenly started using the phrase, "Up and down the country." as though they were all desperate to avoid using the word "Nationwide"? luv, Rog. On Saturday, 11 April 2020, 21:05:08 BST, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: 100% with you on that one Mike, I always think where the hell else would a development be going ? sideways or backwards? Dave Newbitt. From: Mike Giles via Tech1 Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2020 7:37 PM To: Alasdair Lawrance Cc: Tech Ops List Subject: Re: [Tech1] Different topic You?ve reminded me, Alasdair, that my principle dislike is probably ?going forward?, when, as you say, what is meant is ?in future?. Mike G On 11 Apr 2020, at 16:57, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 wrote: ?Another one that's becoming common is ".....in the coming days". Nothing wrong with ".....in future" or "....in the future", depending on context. Alasdair Lawrance alawrance1 at me.com Don?t blame me, I voted Remain. On 11 Apr 2020, at 15:19, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 wrote: Surely, the most annoying phrase of all is, "Over to our Royal Correspondent, Nicholas Witchell." (Someone pass the sick bag!) I also hate the way that programmes waste time by trailing later bits of themselves in earlier parts of the show. On commercial channels this is announced as, "Coming up after the break." On the BBC they show a snippet followed by, "More on that later." Although I rather enjoyed the time that Anne Robinson, mis-timing her words, introduced some annoying character who would be appearing later, and then seemed to say, "Moron that. Later . . ." luv, Rog. On Saturday, 11 April 2020, 11:12:25 BST, Paul Thackray via Tech1 wrote: Worst phrase is `joining us from our London studio ....` Which means we sold TVC and are in some distant outpost that few guests will visit in person! Paul Thackray PGT Media Consulting Ltd. 07802 243979 Mail; paul at pgtmedia.co.uk Web; http://www.pgtmedia.co.uk Linkedin; http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/paul-thackray/19/379/746 IMDB; http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1488554/ sent from my BlackBerry?the most secure mobile device?via the O2 Network Original Message From: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Sent: 11 April 2020 11:08 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Reply to: dave at davesound.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Different topic In article <5e90d1d4.1c69fb81.94808.1830 at mx.google.com>, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > In this trying time, I wondered what phrase heard on TV might be most hated? > For me, it?s ?After the break? As I can then expect to sit through five or ten minutes of commercials. 10 minutes? You need to stop watching those strange satellite channels. ;-) The worst are the re-run channels, like Drama and ITV3, that I tend to view quite a bit. Not the ad breaks as such, but the fact they repeat the same commercials over and over again. Easy enough to record then and start watching it say 20 minutes or so later on a 2 hour prog. And spin through the ads. One of my PVRs allows you to set a fixed time skip - ideal for breaks which are often the same length. -- *INDECISION is the key to FLEXIBILITY * Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk _____ -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From waresound at msn.com Sun Apr 12 10:09:28 2020 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2020 15:09:28 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Walking Message-ID: ? ?One of my favourite places is Winkworth Arboretum. I was first introduced to it as a seventeen year old photography student, a couple of years before joining the BBC. Towards the end of the Summer holidays I bumped into a fellow student in Bramley, nearby. I had been working as a junior hall porter during the hols at the Bramley Grange Hotel. The fellow student, Gillian, lived in Bramley, and said: ?You should come swimming in the lake at Winkworth. Have you got a bike??. Luckily I had, because Gillian was utterly gorgeous and had already caught my attention at college. The only snag was that she was 19 and I thought she wouldn?t be interested in a mere seventeen year-old first year student. I was going to have to try hard! So, a couple of days later we met up and cycled to Winkworth. What I hadn?t expected was that it was to be skinny dipping, and half a dozen other students would also be there. The challenge was to swim across the lake every Sunday morning right up to the end of the Christmas term. No mean challenge as towards the end it literally meant breaking the ice and jumping in! But the allure of Gillian meant that there was no question of chickening out for me, and ultimately when others couldn?t face the cold anymore, it was just her and me. I?ve never forgotten her, but nevertheless, sadly, I lost touch when I joined the BBC, and never saw her again. Jump forward to today: Winkworth always has been, and still is still a regular walk for me, my lovely wife Judi and the dogs. Just them, and the Fortnum?s picnic hamper, and one couldn?t ask for more! It has endless appeal all year round. Needless to say, she?s heard the Gillian story many times, sad old git that I am. But, fortunately, she can see why that memory never faded. The pic below was taken last November, when the Autumn leaves are just beginning to fall. Long ago, the original creator and owner left the Arboretum to the National Trust, and under their management, the maintenance and forestry is fabulously carried out, and I would recommend it to anyone, any time of year. Well worth my Nat Trust membership for that alone! I even felt obliged to donate generously to the renovation of that boathouse, where.....oh never mind! Happy Easter everyone, Nick. [cid:4333FF25-B851-44E8-B293-1D505FF6222D] Sent from my iPad mini 5 On 10 Apr 2020, at 00:09, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: ? Meanwhile, down on the farm they?re rakin? and rollin?! But in my view this guys left it a fortnight too late ~ this field was completely underwater during the floods and cattle were allowed to trample all over it whilst it was still boggy, so it?s an absolute mess, but now it?s as hard as iron and the rake and the rollers are achieving little more than a dust cloud! 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Name: ipbadgcegolpcahb.png Type: image/png Size: 929105 bytes Desc: not available URL: From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com Sun Apr 12 10:40:13 2020 From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray) Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2020 16:40:13 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Different topic - Nationwide In-Reply-To: <8DAAA4D1B41E4121B0997F9188580C45@CustomPC> References: <9C0FA2C2-212F-4EBA-B5C5-013A4B78B522@me.com> <2060935484.7560631.1586693841833@mail.yahoo.com> <8DAAA4D1B41E4121B0997F9188580C45@CustomPC> Message-ID: Hi, My memory of Nationwide was the pig of an axial front projection system mounted on the pan head of Michael Barrett's camera. The projector IIRC had a 35 mm slide cassette system, clunky enough in itself, and combined with the then mechanical Autocue (chain driven and little feedback to the Autocue control meant that each camera's script could drift) made that camera just about impossible to operate (you really want me to pan?). PS IIRC Panorama used Teleprompt, a much smaller assembly and used some synching signals back from the remote to the control. Amazing, eh, mechanical promoters. Sports had their own home grown miniature affair with a magnifying glass on front and was controlled by the presenter with s push button I believe, guess you guys know more! Keep safe, Best regards Alec sent from my mobile phone. Apologies for any strange autocorrections. On Sun, 12 Apr 2020, 15:02 Dudley Darby via Tech1, wrote: > Yes, it had been lined up with orbiting on (it was on an EMI 4?? IO on > that first one, later replaced with a vidicon). The caption had sat there > all day, and with seconds to go a passing engineer switched orbit off. On > one of the final dry runs two of the Sports people popped in to watch, > Brian Venner and Bryan Cowgill I think. After a somewhat shambolic set of > opts the quite large production committee were congratulating themselves on > not falling ?off air? with such a complicated show when a loudish voice > from the back declared ?We do it every Saturday ? properly.? > > > > Dudley > > > > *Dudley C. Darby* > > > > *Email:* Dudley.Darby at gmail.com > > > > *P* Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail > ------------------------------ > > *From:* Tech1 [mailto:tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk] *On Behalf Of *ROGER > BUNCE via Tech1 > *Sent:* 12 April 2020 13:17 > *To:* Tech Ops List > *Subject:* Re: [Tech1] Different topic > > > > Anyone remember when "Nationwide" first started? (And a youthful Dick > Green, on his camera attachment, re-christened it "ATIONWID", by failing to > zoom out far enough! Was that the very first episode?) > > And Michael Barrett, with his bulging eyes, used to pronounce the word > "Nationwide" with a savour and grandeur which is impossible to imitate? > > And politicians, and journalists, and anyone who wasn't Michael Barrett, > suddenly started using the phrase, "Up and down the country." as though > they were all desperate to avoid using the word "Nationwide"? > > > > luv, Rog. > > > > On Saturday, 11 April 2020, 21:05:08 BST, David Newbitt via Tech1 < > tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote: > > > > > > 100% with you on that one Mike, I always think where the hell else would a > development be going ? sideways or backwards? > > > > Dave Newbitt. > > > > *From:* Mike Giles via Tech1 > > *Sent:* Saturday, April 11, 2020 7:37 PM > > *To:* Alasdair Lawrance > > *Cc:* Tech Ops List > > *Subject:* Re: [Tech1] Different topic > > > > You?ve reminded me, Alasdair, that my principle dislike is probably ?going > forward?, when, as you say, what is meant is ?in future?. > > > > Mike G > > On 11 Apr 2020, at 16:57, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 < > tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote: > > ?Another one that's becoming common is ".....in the coming days". > Nothing wrong with ".....in future" or "....in the future", depending on > context. > > > > > > Alasdair Lawrance > alawrance1 at me.com > > *Don?t blame me, I voted Remain.* > > On 11 Apr 2020, at 15:19, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 > wrote: > > > > Surely, the most annoying phrase of all is, "Over to our Royal > Correspondent, Nicholas Witchell." (Someone pass the sick bag!) > > > > I also hate the way that programmes waste time by trailing later bits of > themselves in earlier parts of the show. On commercial channels this is > announced as, "Coming up after the break." On the BBC they show a snippet > followed by, "More on that later." Although I rather enjoyed the time that > Anne Robinson, mis-timing her words, introduced some annoying character who > would be appearing later, and then seemed to say, "Moron that. Later . . > ." > > > > luv, Rog. > > > > > > On Saturday, 11 April 2020, 11:12:25 BST, Paul Thackray via Tech1 < > tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote: > > > > > > Worst phrase is `joining us from our London studio ....` > > Which means we sold TVC and are in some distant outpost that few guests > will visit in person! > > > > Paul Thackray > > PGT Media Consulting Ltd. > > 07802 243979 > > Mail; paul at pgtmedia.co.uk > > Web; http://www.pgtmedia.co.uk > > Linkedin; http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/paul-thackray/19/379/746 > > IMDB; http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1488554/ > > sent from my BlackBerry?the most secure mobile device?via the O2 Network > > > Original Message > > > From: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > Sent: 11 April 2020 11:08 > To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > Reply to: dave at davesound.co.uk > Subject: Re: [Tech1] Different topic > > > In article <5e90d1d4.1c69fb81.94808.1830 at mx.google.com>, > patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > > > In this trying time, I wondered what phrase heard on TV might be most > hated? > > For me, it?s ?After the break? As I can then expect to sit through five > or ten minutes of commercials. > > 10 minutes? You need to stop watching those strange satellite channels. ;-) > > The worst are the re-run channels, like Drama and ITV3, that I tend to > view quite a bit. Not the ad breaks as such, but the fact they repeat the > same commercials over and over again. > > Easy enough to record then and start watching it say 20 minutes or so > later on a 2 hour prog. And spin through the ads. One of my PVRs allows > you to set a fixed time skip - ideal for breaks which are often the same > length. > > -- > *INDECISION is the key to FLEXIBILITY * > > Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > ------------------------------ > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > > Virus-free. > www.avast.com > > <#m_-5908623305809674254_DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From davidpcarter at btinternet.com Sun Apr 12 10:44:09 2020 From: davidpcarter at btinternet.com (davidpcarter at btinternet.com) Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2020 16:44:09 +0100 (BST) Subject: [Tech1] Different topic In-Reply-To: <2060935484.7560631.1586693841833@mail.yahoo.com> References: <9C0FA2C2-212F-4EBA-B5C5-013A4B78B522@me.com> <2060935484.7560631.1586693841833@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6694225d.15d0.1716f0ff8bb.Webtop.50@btinternet.com> Rog I don't think it was the "first" one but I seem to remember it might have been the first week. Was it crew 9? Were we scheduled for a whole week (a la "Breakfast") or just for individual days ? Was it really such a time ago? David ------ Original Message ------ From: "ROGER BUNCE via Tech1" To: "Tech Ops List" Sent: Sunday, 12 Apr, 2020 At 13:17 Subject: Re: [Tech1] Different topic Anyone remember when "Nationwide" first started? (And a youthful Dick Green, on his camera attachment, re-christened it "ATIONWID", by failing to zoom out far enough! Was that the very first episode?) And Michael Barrett, with his bulging eyes, used to pronounce the word "Nationwide" with a savour and grandeur which is impossible to imitate? And politicians, and journalists, and anyone who wasn't Michael Barrett, suddenly started using the phrase, "Up and down the country." as though they were all desperate to avoid using the word "Nationwide"? luv, Rog. On Saturday, 11 April 2020, 21:05:08 BST, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: 100% with you on that one Mike, I always think where the hell else would a development be going ? sideways or backwards? Dave Newbitt. From: Mike Giles via Tech1 Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2020 7:37 PM To: Alasdair Lawrance Cc: Tech Ops List Subject: Re: [Tech1] Different topic You?ve reminded me, Alasdair, that my principle dislike is probably ?going forward?, when, as you say, what is meant is ?in future?. Mike G On 11 Apr 2020, at 16:57, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 wrote: ?Another one that's becoming common is ".....in the coming days". Nothing wrong with ".....in future" or "....in the future", depending on context. Alasdair Lawrance alawrance1 at me.com Don?t blame me, I voted Remain. On 11 Apr 2020, at 15:19, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 wrote: Surely, the most annoying phrase of all is, "Over to our Royal Correspondent, Nicholas Witchell." (Someone pass the sick bag!) I also hate the way that programmes waste time by trailing later bits of themselves in earlier parts of the show. On commercial channels this is announced as, "Coming up after the break." On the BBC they show a snippet followed by, "More on that later." Although I rather enjoyed the time that Anne Robinson, mis-timing her words, introduced some annoying character who would be appearing later, and then seemed to say, "Moron that. Later . . ." luv, Rog. On Saturday, 11 April 2020, 11:12:25 BST, Paul Thackray via Tech1 wrote: Worst phrase is `joining us from our London studio ....` Which means we sold TVC and are in some distant outpost that few guests will visit in person! Paul Thackray PGT Media Consulting Ltd. 07802 243979 Mail; paul at pgtmedia.co.uk Web; http://www.pgtmedia.co.uk Linkedin; http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/paul-thackray/19/379/746 IMDB; http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1488554/ sent from my BlackBerry?the most secure mobile device?via the O2 Network Original Message From: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Sent: 11 April 2020 11:08 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Reply to: dave at davesound.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Different topic In article <5e90d1d4.1c69fb81.94808.1830 at mx.google.com>, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > In this trying time, I wondered what phrase heard on TV might be > most hated? > For me, it?s ?After the break? As I can then expect to sit > through five or ten minutes of commercials. 10 minutes? You need to stop watching those strange satellite channels. ;-) The worst are the re-run channels, like Drama and ITV3, that I tend to view quite a bit. Not the ad breaks as such, but the fact they repeat the same commercials over and over again. Easy enough to record then and start watching it say 20 minutes or so later on a 2 hour prog. And spin through the ads. 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On a shoot at Goodwood Festival of Speed one year, we picked up an interview with the man, and I was able to ask him if a story was true, that on being pulled over for speeding, the officer said in that typically sarcastic way: ? ?oo do you think you are ? Stirling Moss?? ?Actually, yes!? It was true. Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Sun Apr 12 12:57:49 2020 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2020 18:57:49 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Still walking In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5e93569e.1c69fb81.bd9e2.a339@mx.google.com> I?m reminded of a Muppet Show joke: ?Do you like duckling?? ? I don?t know, I?ve never duckled!? (nice pic, Bernie!) Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Bernard Newnham via Tech1 Sent: 12 April 2020 16:24 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: [Tech1] Still walking Same old walk down the canal, but improved by new sightings .... B -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: ipbadgcegolpcahb.png Type: image/png Size: 929105 bytes Desc: not available URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Sun Apr 12 13:07:29 2020 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2020 19:07:29 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Queen visits TC3 in 1961 In-Reply-To: <348f9f9f-5e61-c55f-b903-bc2b6f723dfb@gmail.com> References: <348f9f9f-5e61-c55f-b903-bc2b6f723dfb@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5e9358e1.1c69fb81.f0ba5.c018@mx.google.com> I?ve seen some of that material before. Definitely Eddie Stuart on the Mole, therefore likely to be Crew 3. I didn?t join 3 until August 62, so missed that Royal visit, but Crackerjack was a regular programme for us. Normally mounted in TVT, it was moved to TVC for the visit. Think the Director in the Production Gallery was Johnny Downes. Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Bernard Newnham via Tech1 Sent: 12 April 2020 11:21 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: [Tech1] Queen visits TC3 in 1961 Someone on Facebook has found these Pathe News 16mm rushes - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCg9y2n7KRI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qH87uJdzWRs Name those workers..... B -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graeme.wall at icloud.com Sun Apr 12 13:44:46 2020 From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall) Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2020 19:44:46 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Stirling Moss In-Reply-To: <5e9354c5.1c69fb81.14365.f68c@mx.google.com> References: <5e9354c5.1c69fb81.14365.f68c@mx.google.com> Message-ID: When the reopening of Goodwood race circuit was under consideration Stirling came down to do a demonstration run round in an old F1 car. The frst time he?d driven there since his near-fatal crash in the 60s. It was sponsored by Saab who provided a brand new 9000 turbo as a camera car with a rally driver as chauffeur. I was sat in the hatchback area, (no harness!) wih the hatch propped open with a broomstick. As we got set up, Stirling came over to ask how far behind the Saab I wanted him to drive so I said 20 feet. I set the focus on 20? and we did two fast laps and I never had to touch it once. ? Graeme Wall > On 12 Apr 2020, at 18:49, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > > Sad to see the news today that Sir Stirling Moss has passed. > On a shoot at Goodwood Festival of Speed one year, we picked up an interview with the man, and I was able to ask him if a story was true, that on being pulled over for speeding, the officer said in that typically sarcastic way: ? ?oo do you think you are ? Stirling Moss?? > ?Actually, yes!? > It was true. > > Pat > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > > > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From waresound at msn.com Sun Apr 12 14:03:05 2020 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2020 19:03:05 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Traffic England Message-ID: Fascinating to look on Highways England, select Map Layers - Traffic cameras, then click on cameras on M25, M40, or wherever you are. Next to nothing there! Most turned off or panned away. Nick. Sent from my iPad mini 5 From techtone at protonmail.com Sun Apr 12 14:04:49 2020 From: techtone at protonmail.com (techtone) Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2020 19:04:49 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Ationwid Message-ID: <-As1dKLCs8erJ3RbV-wTS1OldbqtnZd_vTmROpdFW_pVWStw7gCFr1088pWrQRpm3gsRhSLybOWZ3RFoToMH4WYu-G8LZCyzNrprZGuLiRo=@protonmail.com> It was the second day of the programme, crew 9, and Paul Kay who fell about laughing and formally christened it the 'ationwid' show, although I hadn't remembered who'd been on THE camera at the time. TeaTeaFN - Tony Sent with [ProtonMail](https://protonmail.com) Secure Email. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Sun Apr 12 16:03:54 2020 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2020 22:03:54 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Different topic In-Reply-To: <2060935484.7560631.1586693841833@mail.yahoo.com> References: <9C0FA2C2-212F-4EBA-B5C5-013A4B78B522@me.com> <2060935484.7560631.1586693841833@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3ce1b3f1-1563-b6e7-01e9-9014526ba47c@btinternet.com> .. and how Michael Barrett somehow got around the BBC directive that family members couldn't work in the same department (because you would have to write their annual reports!) - I don't know if he and Sue Cook were married, but questions were asked! I remember it all very well! Including getting the 'Nationwide'? sound 'coffin on wheels' from stores every Monday and returning it, perfectly packed? by Dave Hawthorn, every Friday evening. Poor old Dave must have had a OCD as he always unpacked it and re-did it to his own satisfaction, he ended up as tele-cine organiser after a medical assessment, lived alone on Selsey Bill, and travelled to work by motorbike!? He was SA1 on Crew 1 when I arrived from Birmingham radio and I was surprised to find that he, and Dave Ball his SA2, both came from Nottingham, within a few miles of myself, as did Steve Locking and Harry Saunders! Up the Robin Hoods! Cheers, Dave On 12/04/2020 13:17, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 wrote: > Anyone remember when "Nationwide" first started? (And a youthful Dick > Green, on his camera attachment, re-christened it "ATIONWID", by > failing to zoom out far enough! Was that the very first episode?) > And Michael Barrett, with his bulging eyes, used to pronounce the word > "Nationwide" with a savour and grandeur which is impossible to imitate? > And politicians, and journalists, and anyone who wasn't Michael > Barrett, suddenly started using the phrase, "Up and down the country." > as though they were all desperate to avoid using the word "Nationwide"? > > luv, Rog. > > On Saturday, 11 April 2020, 21:05:08 BST, David Newbitt via Tech1 > wrote: > > > 100% with you on that one Mike, I always think where the hell else > would a development be going ? sideways or backwards? > Dave Newbitt. > *From:* Mike Giles via Tech1 > *Sent:* Saturday, April 11, 2020 7:37 PM > *To:* Alasdair Lawrance > *Cc:* Tech Ops List > *Subject:* Re: [Tech1] Different topic > You?ve reminded me, Alasdair, that my principle dislike is probably > ?going forward?, when, as you say, what is meant is ?in future?. > Mike G >> On 11 Apr 2020, at 16:57, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 >> wrote: >> >> ?Another one that's becoming common is ".....in the coming days".?? >> Nothing wrong with? ".....in future" or "....in the future", >> depending on context. >> Alasdair Lawrance >> alawrance1 at me.com >> >> /*Don?t blame me, I voted Remain.* >> / >> On 11 Apr 2020, at 15:19, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 >> wrote: >>> >>> Surely, the most annoying phrase of all is, "Over to our Royal >>> Correspondent, Nicholas Witchell." (Someone pass the sick bag!) >>> I also hate the way that programmes waste time by trailing later >>> bits of themselves in earlier parts of the show. On commercial >>> channels this is announced as, "Coming up after the break." On the >>> BBC they show a snippet followed by, "More on that later." Although >>> I rather enjoyed the time that Anne Robinson, mis-timing her words, >>> introduced some annoying character who would be appearing later, and >>> then seemed to say, "Moron that. Later . . ." >>> luv, Rog. >>> On Saturday, 11 April 2020, 11:12:25 BST, Paul Thackray via Tech1 >>> wrote: >>> Worst phrase is `joining us from our London studio ....` >>> >>> Which means we sold TVC and are in some distant outpost that few >>> guests will visit in person! >>> >>> >>> >>> Paul Thackray >>> >>> PGT Media Consulting Ltd. >>> >>> 07802 243979 >>> >>> Mail; paul at pgtmedia.co.uk >>> >>> Web; http://www.pgtmedia.co.uk >>> >>> Linkedin; http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/paul-thackray/19/379/746 >>> >>> IMDB; http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1488554/ >>> >>> sent from my BlackBerry?the most secure mobile device?via the O2 Network >>> >>> >>> ? Original Message >>> >>> >>> From: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> Sent: 11 April 2020 11:08 >>> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> Reply to: dave at davesound.co.uk >>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Different topic >>> >>> >>> In article <5e90d1d4.1c69fb81.94808.1830 at mx.google.com>, >>> ?? patheigham via Tech1 wrote: >>> >>> > In this trying time, I wondered what phrase heard on TV might be >>> most hated? >>> > For me, it?s ?After the break? As I can then expect to sit through >>> five or ten minutes of commercials. >>> >>> 10 minutes? You need to stop watching those strange satellite >>> channels. ;-) >>> >>> The worst are the re-run channels, like Drama and ITV3, that I tend to >>> view quite a bit. Not the ad breaks as such, but the fact they >>> repeat the >>> same commercials over and over again. >>> >>> Easy enough to record then and start watching it say 20 minutes or so >>> later on a 2 hour prog. And spin through the ads. One of my PVRs allows >>> you to set a fixed time skip - ideal for breaks which are often the same >>> length. >>> >>> -- >>> *INDECISION is the key to FLEXIBILITY * >>> >>> ??? 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URL: From colin at colinhassell.com Sun Apr 12 16:20:47 2020 From: colin at colinhassell.com (Colin Hassell) Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2020 22:20:47 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Different topic In-Reply-To: <3ce1b3f1-1563-b6e7-01e9-9014526ba47c@btinternet.com> References: <9C0FA2C2-212F-4EBA-B5C5-013A4B78B522@me.com> <2060935484.7560631.1586693841833@mail.yahoo.com> <3ce1b3f1-1563-b6e7-01e9-9014526ba47c@btinternet.com> Message-ID: Dave I think you have the wrong lady. It was Dilys Morgan that Michael was married to. Sue Cook was a presenter on the show when I worked on it, which was after Michael had left, I believe. Colin Hassell > On 12 Apr 2020, at 22:03, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: > > .. and how Michael Barrett somehow got around the BBC directive that family members couldn't work in the same department (because you would have to write their annual reports!) - I don't know if he and Sue Cook were married, but questions were asked! I remember it all very well! Including getting the 'Nationwide' sound 'coffin on wheels' from stores every Monday and returning it, perfectly packed by Dave Hawthorn, every Friday evening. Poor old Dave must have had a OCD as he always unpacked it and re-did it to his own satisfaction, he ended up as tele-cine organiser after a medical assessment, lived alone on Selsey Bill, and travelled to work by motorbike! He was SA1 on Crew 1 when I arrived from Birmingham radio and I was surprised to find that he, and Dave Ball his SA2, both came from Nottingham, within a few miles of myself, as did Steve Locking and Harry Saunders! Up the Robin Hoods! Cheers, Dave > >> On 12/04/2020 13:17, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 wrote: >> Anyone remember when "Nationwide" first started? (And a youthful Dick Green, on his camera attachment, re-christened it "ATIONWID", by failing to zoom out far enough! Was that the very first episode?) >> And Michael Barrett, with his bulging eyes, used to pronounce the word "Nationwide" with a savour and grandeur which is impossible to imitate? >> And politicians, and journalists, and anyone who wasn't Michael Barrett, suddenly started using the phrase, "Up and down the country." as though they were all desperate to avoid using the word "Nationwide"? >> >> luv, Rog. >> >> On Saturday, 11 April 2020, 21:05:08 BST, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: >> >> >> 100% with you on that one Mike, I always think where the hell else would a development be going ? sideways or backwards? >> >> Dave Newbitt. >> >> From: Mike Giles via Tech1 >> Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2020 7:37 PM >> To: Alasdair Lawrance >> Cc: Tech Ops List >> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Different topic >> >> You?ve reminded me, Alasdair, that my principle dislike is probably ?going forward?, when, as you say, what is meant is ?in future?. >> >> Mike G >>> On 11 Apr 2020, at 16:57, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 wrote: >>> >>> ?Another one that's becoming common is ".....in the coming days". Nothing wrong with ".....in future" or "....in the future", depending on context. >>> >>> >>> Alasdair Lawrance >>> alawrance1 at me.com >>> >>> Don?t blame me, I voted Remain. >>> >>> On 11 Apr 2020, at 15:19, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 wrote: >>>> >>>> Surely, the most annoying phrase of all is, "Over to our Royal Correspondent, Nicholas Witchell." (Someone pass the sick bag!) >>>> >>>> I also hate the way that programmes waste time by trailing later bits of themselves in earlier parts of the show. On commercial channels this is announced as, "Coming up after the break." On the BBC they show a snippet followed by, "More on that later." Although I rather enjoyed the time that Anne Robinson, mis-timing her words, introduced some annoying character who would be appearing later, and then seemed to say, "Moron that. Later . . ." >>>> >>>> luv, Rog. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Saturday, 11 April 2020, 11:12:25 BST, Paul Thackray via Tech1 wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> Worst phrase is `joining us from our London studio ....` >>>> >>>> Which means we sold TVC and are in some distant outpost that few guests will visit in person! >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Paul Thackray >>>> >>>> PGT Media Consulting Ltd. >>>> >>>> 07802 243979 >>>> >>>> Mail; paul at pgtmedia.co.uk >>>> >>>> Web; http://www.pgtmedia.co.uk >>>> >>>> Linkedin; http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/paul-thackray/19/379/746 >>>> >>>> IMDB; http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1488554/ >>>> >>>> sent from my BlackBerry?the most secure mobile device?via the O2 Network >>>> >>>> >>>> Original Message >>>> >>>> >>>> From: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>> Sent: 11 April 2020 11:08 >>>> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>> Reply to: dave at davesound.co.uk >>>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Different topic >>>> >>>> >>>> In article <5e90d1d4.1c69fb81.94808.1830 at mx.google.com>, >>>> patheigham via Tech1 wrote: >>>> >>>> > In this trying time, I wondered what phrase heard on TV might be most hated? >>>> > For me, it?s ?After the break? As I can then expect to sit through five or ten minutes of commercials. >>>> >>>> 10 minutes? You need to stop watching those strange satellite channels. ;-) >>>> >>>> The worst are the re-run channels, like Drama and ITV3, that I tend to >>>> view quite a bit. Not the ad breaks as such, but the fact they repeat the >>>> same commercials over and over again. >>>> >>>> Easy enough to record then and start watching it say 20 minutes or so >>>> later on a 2 hour prog. And spin through the ads. One of my PVRs allows >>>> you to set a fixed time skip - ideal for breaks which are often the same >>>> length. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> *INDECISION is the key to FLEXIBILITY * >>>> >>>> Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>>> -- >>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> >> > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From davidvbrunt at gmail.com Sun Apr 12 16:37:33 2020 From: davidvbrunt at gmail.com (David Brunt) Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2020 22:37:33 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Different topic In-Reply-To: References: <9C0FA2C2-212F-4EBA-B5C5-013A4B78B522@me.com><2060935484.7560631.1586693841833@mail.yahoo.com><3ce1b3f1-1563-b6e7-01e9-9014526ba47c@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <1E1376E8A86740308B63D4FBDF1E6E2C@0023242e4e14> Dilys Morgan was on Nationwide by the mid-1970s. Alongside Barratt. From: Colin Hassell via Tech1 Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2020 10:20 PM To: dave.mdv Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Different topic Dave I think you have the wrong lady. It was Dilys Morgan that Michael was married to. Sue Cook was a presenter on the show when I worked on it, which was after Michael had left, I believe. Colin Hassell On 12 Apr 2020, at 22:03, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: .. and how Michael Barrett somehow got around the BBC directive that family members couldn't work in the same department (because you would have to write their annual reports!) - I don't know if he and Sue Cook were married, but questions were asked! I remember it all very well! Including getting the 'Nationwide' sound 'coffin on wheels' from stores every Monday and returning it, perfectly packed by Dave Hawthorn, every Friday evening. Poor old Dave must have had a OCD as he always unpacked it and re-did it to his own satisfaction, he ended up as tele-cine organiser after a medical assessment, lived alone on Selsey Bill, and travelled to work by motorbike! He was SA1 on Crew 1 when I arrived from Birmingham radio and I was surprised to find that he, and Dave Ball his SA2, both came from Nottingham, within a few miles of myself, as did Steve Locking and Harry Saunders! Up the Robin Hoods! Cheers, Dave On 12/04/2020 13:17, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 wrote: Anyone remember when "Nationwide" first started? (And a youthful Dick Green, on his camera attachment, re-christened it "ATIONWID", by failing to zoom out far enough! Was that the very first episode?) And Michael Barrett, with his bulging eyes, used to pronounce the word "Nationwide" with a savour and grandeur which is impossible to imitate? And politicians, and journalists, and anyone who wasn't Michael Barrett, suddenly started using the phrase, "Up and down the country." as though they were all desperate to avoid using the word "Nationwide"? luv, Rog. On Saturday, 11 April 2020, 21:05:08 BST, David Newbitt via Tech1 mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk wrote: 100% with you on that one Mike, I always think where the hell else would a development be going ? sideways or backwards? Dave Newbitt. From: Mike Giles via Tech1 Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2020 7:37 PM To: Alasdair Lawrance Cc: Tech Ops List Subject: Re: [Tech1] Different topic You?ve reminded me, Alasdair, that my principle dislike is probably ?going forward?, when, as you say, what is meant is ?in future?. Mike G On 11 Apr 2020, at 16:57, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk wrote: ?Another one that's becoming common is ".....in the coming days". Nothing wrong with ".....in future" or "....in the future", depending on context. Alasdair Lawrance alawrance1 at me.com Don?t blame me, I voted Remain. On 11 Apr 2020, at 15:19, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 wrote: Surely, the most annoying phrase of all is, "Over to our Royal Correspondent, Nicholas Witchell." (Someone pass the sick bag!) I also hate the way that programmes waste time by trailing later bits of themselves in earlier parts of the show. On commercial channels this is announced as, "Coming up after the break." On the BBC they show a snippet followed by, "More on that later." Although I rather enjoyed the time that Anne Robinson, mis-timing her words, introduced some annoying character who would be appearing later, and then seemed to say, "Moron that. Later . . ." luv, Rog. On Saturday, 11 April 2020, 11:12:25 BST, Paul Thackray via Tech1 wrote: Worst phrase is `joining us from our London studio ....` Which means we sold TVC and are in some distant outpost that few guests will visit in person! Paul Thackray PGT Media Consulting Ltd. 07802 243979 Mail; paul at pgtmedia.co.uk Web; http://www.pgtmedia.co.uk Linkedin; http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/paul-thackray/19/379/746 IMDB; http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1488554/ sent from my BlackBerry?the most secure mobile device?via the O2 Network Original Message From: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Sent: 11 April 2020 11:08 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Reply to: dave at davesound.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Different topic In article <5e90d1d4.1c69fb81.94808.1830 at mx.google.com>, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > In this trying time, I wondered what phrase heard on TV might be most hated? > For me, it?s ?After the break? As I can then expect to sit through five or ten minutes of commercials. 10 minutes? You need to stop watching those strange satellite channels. ;-) The worst are the re-run channels, like Drama and ITV3, that I tend to view quite a bit. Not the ad breaks as such, but the fact they repeat the same commercials over and over again. Easy enough to record then and start watching it say 20 minutes or so later on a 2 hour prog. And spin through the ads. 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URL: From billjenkin67 at gmail.com Sun Apr 12 17:29:29 2020 From: billjenkin67 at gmail.com (Bill Jenkin) Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2020 23:29:29 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Different topic In-Reply-To: References: <9C0FA2C2-212F-4EBA-B5C5-013A4B78B522@me.com> <2060935484.7560631.1586693841833@mail.yahoo.com> <3ce1b3f1-1563-b6e7-01e9-9014526ba47c@btinternet.com> Message-ID: Sue Cook at about that time was married to John Williams, the virtuoso classical guitarist. I remember she was interviewing Chuck Berry on the show and they were talking about his guitar. He asked Sue if she played guitar. "No, but my husband does a little" she replied. On Sun, 12 Apr 2020, 22:21 Colin Hassell via Tech1, wrote: > Dave > > I think you have the wrong lady. > It was Dilys Morgan that Michael was married to. > Sue Cook was a presenter on the show when I worked on it, which was after > Michael had left, I believe. > > > Colin Hassell > > > On 12 Apr 2020, at 22:03, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: > > .. and how Michael Barrett somehow got around the BBC directive that > family members couldn't work in the same department (because you would have > to write their annual reports!) - I don't know if he and Sue Cook were > married, but questions were asked! I remember it all very well! Including > getting the 'Nationwide' sound 'coffin on wheels' from stores every > Monday and returning it, perfectly packed by Dave Hawthorn, every Friday > evening. Poor old Dave must have had a OCD as he always unpacked it and > re-did it to his own satisfaction, he ended up as tele-cine organiser after > a medical assessment, lived alone on Selsey Bill, and travelled to work by > motorbike! He was SA1 on Crew 1 when I arrived from Birmingham radio and I > was surprised to find that he, and Dave Ball his SA2, both came from > Nottingham, within a few miles of myself, as did Steve Locking and Harry > Saunders! Up the Robin Hoods! Cheers, Dave > On 12/04/2020 13:17, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 wrote: > > Anyone remember when "Nationwide" first started? (And a youthful Dick > Green, on his camera attachment, re-christened it "ATIONWID", by failing to > zoom out far enough! Was that the very first episode?) > And Michael Barrett, with his bulging eyes, used to pronounce the word > "Nationwide" with a savour and grandeur which is impossible to imitate? > And politicians, and journalists, and anyone who wasn't Michael Barrett, > suddenly started using the phrase, "Up and down the country." as though > they were all desperate to avoid using the word "Nationwide"? > > luv, Rog. > > On Saturday, 11 April 2020, 21:05:08 BST, David Newbitt via Tech1 > wrote: > > > 100% with you on that one Mike, I always think where the hell else would a > development be going ? sideways or backwards? > > Dave Newbitt. > > *From:* Mike Giles via Tech1 > *Sent:* Saturday, April 11, 2020 7:37 PM > *To:* Alasdair Lawrance > *Cc:* Tech Ops List > *Subject:* Re: [Tech1] Different topic > > You?ve reminded me, Alasdair, that my principle dislike is probably ?going > forward?, when, as you say, what is meant is ?in future?. > > Mike G > > On 11 Apr 2020, at 16:57, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 > wrote: > > ?Another one that's becoming common is ".....in the coming days". > Nothing wrong with ".....in future" or "....in the future", depending on > context. > > > Alasdair Lawrance > alawrance1 at me.com > > > *Don?t blame me, I voted Remain. * > On 11 Apr 2020, at 15:19, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 > wrote: > > > Surely, the most annoying phrase of all is, "Over to our Royal > Correspondent, Nicholas Witchell." (Someone pass the sick bag!) > > I also hate the way that programmes waste time by trailing later bits of > themselves in earlier parts of the show. On commercial channels this is > announced as, "Coming up after the break." On the BBC they show a snippet > followed by, "More on that later." Although I rather enjoyed the time that > Anne Robinson, mis-timing her words, introduced some annoying character who > would be appearing later, and then seemed to say, "Moron that. Later . . ." > > luv, Rog. > > > On Saturday, 11 April 2020, 11:12:25 BST, Paul Thackray via Tech1 < > tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote: > > > Worst phrase is `joining us from our London studio ....` > > Which means we sold TVC and are in some distant outpost that few guests > will visit in person! > > > > Paul Thackray > > PGT Media Consulting Ltd. > > 07802 243979 > > Mail; paul at pgtmedia.co.uk > > Web; http://www.pgtmedia.co.uk > > Linkedin; http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/paul-thackray/19/379/746 > > IMDB; http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1488554/ > > sent from my BlackBerry?the most secure mobile device?via the O2 Network > > > Original Message > > > From: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > Sent: 11 April 2020 11:08 > To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > Reply to: dave at davesound.co.uk > Subject: Re: [Tech1] Different topic > > > In article <5e90d1d4.1c69fb81.94808.1830 at mx.google.com>, > patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > > > In this trying time, I wondered what phrase heard on TV might be most > hated? > > For me, it?s ?After the break? As I can then expect to sit through five > or ten minutes of commercials. > > 10 minutes? You need to stop watching those strange satellite channels. ;-) > > The worst are the re-run channels, like Drama and ITV3, that I tend to > view quite a bit. Not the ad breaks as such, but the fact they repeat the > same commercials over and over again. > > Easy enough to record then and start watching it say 20 minutes or so > later on a 2 hour prog. And spin through the ads. 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URL: From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Sun Apr 12 17:34:52 2020 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2020 23:34:52 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Walking In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7c8a8e73-26df-2911-5910-810c0da760b5@btinternet.com> I've never heard of Winkworth gardens but it sounds like a lovely place to visit. One of our favourite gardens was bought by by an Eastern European millionaire who closed it to the public in 2010, sacked all of the staff, and that was that, and the gardens were left untouched. However, in 2017, they were bought by a group and I now see that the gardens are being re-opened again and restored which is great news. They are Leonardslee Gardens near Horsham. Cheers, Dave On 12/04/2020 16:09, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: > ? > ?One of my favourite places is Winkworth Arboretum. I was first > introduced to it as a seventeen year old photography student, a couple > of years before joining the BBC. Towards the end of the Summer > holidays I bumped into a fellow student in Bramley, nearby. I had been > working as a junior hall porter during the hols at the Bramley Grange > Hotel. The fellow student, Gillian, lived in Bramley, and said: ?You > should come swimming in the lake at Winkworth. Have you got a bike??. > Luckily I had, because Gillian was utterly gorgeous and had already > caught my attention at college. The only snag was that she was 19 and > I thought she wouldn?t be interested in a mere seventeen year-old > first year student. I was going to have to try hard! So, a couple of > days later we met up and cycled to Winkworth. What I hadn?t expected > was that it was to be skinny dipping, and half a dozen other students > would also be there. The challenge was to swim across the lake every > Sunday morning right up to the end of the Christmas term. No mean > challenge as towards the end it literally meant breaking the ice and > jumping in! But the allure of Gillian meant that there was no question > of chickening out for me, and ultimately when others couldn?t face the > cold anymore, it was just her and me. I?ve never forgotten her, but > nevertheless, sadly, I lost touch when I joined the BBC, and never saw > her again. > Jump forward to today: > Winkworth always has been, and still is still a regular walk for me, > my lovely wife Judi and the dogs. Just them, and the Fortnum?s picnic > hamper, and one couldn?t ask for more! It has endless appeal all year > round. Needless to say, she?s heard the Gillian story many times, sad > old git that I am. But, fortunately, she can see why that memory never > faded. The pic below was taken last November, when the Autumn leaves > are just beginning to fall. Long ago, the original creator and owner > left the Arboretum to the National Trust, and under their management, > the maintenance and forestry is fabulously carried out, and I would > recommend it to anyone, any time of year. Well worth my Nat Trust > membership for that alone! I even felt obliged to donate generously to > the renovation of that boathouse, where.....oh never mind! > Happy Easter everyone, > Nick. > > > Sent from my iPad mini 5 > >> On 10 Apr 2020, at 00:09, Mike Giles via Tech1 >> wrote: >> >> ? Meanwhile, down on the farm they?re rakin? and rollin?! >> >> But in my view this guys left it a fortnight too late ~ this field >> was completely underwater during the floods and cattle were allowed >> to trample all over it whilst it was still boggy, so it?s an absolute >> mess, but now it?s as hard as iron and the rake and the rollers are >> achieving little more than a dust cloud! Luckily we didn?t breathe in >> ?too much dust as the wind was in our?favour! >> >> Mike >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image0.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 1235803 bytes Desc: not available URL: From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net Sun Apr 12 17:40:02 2020 From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt) Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2020 23:40:02 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Different topic In-Reply-To: <3ce1b3f1-1563-b6e7-01e9-9014526ba47c@btinternet.com> References: <9C0FA2C2-212F-4EBA-B5C5-013A4B78B522@me.com><2060935484.7560631.1586693841833@mail.yahoo.com> <3ce1b3f1-1563-b6e7-01e9-9014526ba47c@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <622EE9D9F2424AD5A3EC884432BCAEB2@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> Hi Dave, Didn?t Dave Ball eventually go off to Rolls Royce in Derby? I remember we used to joke that when it came to stereo he was happier with a ?scope on the end of each channel rather than a speaker! Dave Newbitt. From: dave.mdv via Tech1 Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2020 10:03 PM To: ROGER BUNCE ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Different topic .. and how Michael Barrett somehow got around the BBC directive that family members couldn't work in the same department (because you would have to write their annual reports!) - I don't know if he and Sue Cook were married, but questions were asked! I remember it all very well! Including getting the 'Nationwide' sound 'coffin on wheels' from stores every Monday and returning it, perfectly packed by Dave Hawthorn, every Friday evening. Poor old Dave must have had a OCD as he always unpacked it and re-did it to his own satisfaction, he ended up as tele-cine organiser after a medical assessment, lived alone on Selsey Bill, and travelled to work by motorbike! He was SA1 on Crew 1 when I arrived from Birmingham radio and I was surprised to find that he, and Dave Ball his SA2, both came from Nottingham, within a few miles of myself, as did Steve Locking and Harry Saunders! Up the Robin Hoods! Cheers, Dave On 12/04/2020 13:17, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 wrote: Anyone remember when "Nationwide" first started? (And a youthful Dick Green, on his camera attachment, re-christened it "ATIONWID", by failing to zoom out far enough! Was that the very first episode?) And Michael Barrett, with his bulging eyes, used to pronounce the word "Nationwide" with a savour and grandeur which is impossible to imitate? And politicians, and journalists, and anyone who wasn't Michael Barrett, suddenly started using the phrase, "Up and down the country." as though they were all desperate to avoid using the word "Nationwide"? luv, Rog. On Saturday, 11 April 2020, 21:05:08 BST, David Newbitt via Tech1 mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk wrote: 100% with you on that one Mike, I always think where the hell else would a development be going ? sideways or backwards? Dave Newbitt. From: Mike Giles via Tech1 Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2020 7:37 PM To: Alasdair Lawrance Cc: Tech Ops List Subject: Re: [Tech1] Different topic You?ve reminded me, Alasdair, that my principle dislike is probably ?going forward?, when, as you say, what is meant is ?in future?. Mike G On 11 Apr 2020, at 16:57, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk wrote: ?Another one that's becoming common is ".....in the coming days". Nothing wrong with ".....in future" or "....in the future", depending on context. Alasdair Lawrance alawrance1 at me.com Don?t blame me, I voted Remain. On 11 Apr 2020, at 15:19, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 wrote: Surely, the most annoying phrase of all is, "Over to our Royal Correspondent, Nicholas Witchell." (Someone pass the sick bag!) I also hate the way that programmes waste time by trailing later bits of themselves in earlier parts of the show. On commercial channels this is announced as, "Coming up after the break." On the BBC they show a snippet followed by, "More on that later." Although I rather enjoyed the time that Anne Robinson, mis-timing her words, introduced some annoying character who would be appearing later, and then seemed to say, "Moron that. Later . . ." luv, Rog. On Saturday, 11 April 2020, 11:12:25 BST, Paul Thackray via Tech1 wrote: Worst phrase is `joining us from our London studio ....` Which means we sold TVC and are in some distant outpost that few guests will visit in person! Paul Thackray PGT Media Consulting Ltd. 07802 243979 Mail; paul at pgtmedia.co.uk Web; http://www.pgtmedia.co.uk Linkedin; http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/paul-thackray/19/379/746 IMDB; http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1488554/ sent from my BlackBerry?the most secure mobile device?via the O2 Network Original Message From: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Sent: 11 April 2020 11:08 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Reply to: dave at davesound.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Different topic In article <5e90d1d4.1c69fb81.94808.1830 at mx.google.com>, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > In this trying time, I wondered what phrase heard on TV might be most hated? > For me, it?s ?After the break? As I can then expect to sit through five or ten minutes of commercials. 10 minutes? You need to stop watching those strange satellite channels. ;-) The worst are the re-run channels, like Drama and ITV3, that I tend to view quite a bit. Not the ad breaks as such, but the fact they repeat the same commercials over and over again. Easy enough to record then and start watching it say 20 minutes or so later on a 2 hour prog. And spin through the ads. 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The first dozen names or so ran through perfectly in our finest 405 line monochrome, until we reached the designer - also a lovely chap, called Christopher Robilliard, except that I made him ?stopher Robill?. The scene guy fell off his chair laughing. I was not amused! Mike G > On 12 Apr 2020, at 20:05, techtone via Tech1 wrote: > > ? > It was the second day of the programme, crew 9, and Paul Kay who fell about laughing and formally christened it the 'ationwid' show, although I hadn't remembered who'd been on THE camera at the time. > > TeaTeaFN - Tony > > > Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email. > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mibridge at mac.com Sun Apr 12 18:01:12 2020 From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2020 00:01:12 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Walking In-Reply-To: <7c8a8e73-26df-2911-5910-810c0da760b5@btinternet.com> References: <7c8a8e73-26df-2911-5910-810c0da760b5@btinternet.com> Message-ID: Both Winkworth and Leonardslee certainly have my endorsement, along with lots of others in the area. But I see that Painshill Park at Cobham is in danger of closing because of lack of income during lockdown. I wonder whether other private gardens are also in jeopardy. Mike G > On 12 Apr 2020, at 23:35, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: > > ? > I've never heard of Winkworth gardens but it sounds like a lovely place to visit. One of our favourite gardens was bought by by an Eastern European millionaire who closed it to the public in 2010, sacked all of the staff, and that was that, and the gardens were left untouched. However, in 2017, they were bought by a group and I now see that the gardens are being re-opened again and restored which is great news. They are Leonardslee Gardens near Horsham. Cheers, Dave > > On 12/04/2020 16:09, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: >> ? >> ?One of my favourite places is Winkworth Arboretum. I was first introduced to it as a seventeen year old photography student, a couple of years before joining the BBC. Towards the end of the Summer holidays I bumped into a fellow student in Bramley, nearby. I had been working as a junior hall porter during the hols at the Bramley Grange Hotel. The fellow student, Gillian, lived in Bramley, and said: ?You should come swimming in the lake at Winkworth. Have you got a bike??. Luckily I had, because Gillian was utterly gorgeous and had already caught my attention at college. The only snag was that she was 19 and I thought she wouldn?t be interested in a mere seventeen year-old first year student. I was going to have to try hard! So, a couple of days later we met up and cycled to Winkworth. What I hadn?t expected was that it was to be skinny dipping, and half a dozen other students would also be there. The challenge was to swim across the lake every Sunday morning right up to the end of the Christmas term. No mean challenge as towards the end it literally meant breaking the ice and jumping in! But the allure of Gillian meant that there was no question of chickening out for me, and ultimately when others couldn?t face the cold anymore, it was just her and me. I?ve never forgotten her, but nevertheless, sadly, I lost touch when I joined the BBC, and never saw her again. >> Jump forward to today: >> Winkworth always has been, and still is still a regular walk for me, my lovely wife Judi and the dogs. Just them, and the Fortnum?s picnic hamper, and one couldn?t ask for more! It has endless appeal all year round. Needless to say, she?s heard the Gillian story many times, sad old git that I am. But, fortunately, she can see why that memory never faded. The pic below was taken last November, when the Autumn leaves are just beginning to fall. Long ago, the original creator and owner left the Arboretum to the National Trust, and under their management, the maintenance and forestry is fabulously carried out, and I would recommend it to anyone, any time of year. Well worth my Nat Trust membership for that alone! I even felt obliged to donate generously to the renovation of that boathouse, where.....oh never mind! >> Happy Easter everyone, >> Nick. >> >> >> >> Sent from my iPad mini 5 >> >>> On 10 Apr 2020, at 00:09, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: >>> >>> ? 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I don?t know, I?ve never duckled!? > > > > (nice pic, Bernie!) > > Pat > > > > Sent from Mail for > Windows 10 > > > > *From: *Bernard Newnham via Tech1 > *Sent: *12 April 2020 16:24 > *To: *tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > *Subject: *[Tech1] Still walking > > > > Same old walk down the canal, but improved by new sightings .... > > > > B > > > > > ------------------------------ > [image: Avast logo] > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com > > <#m_5752725164055729349_DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From keithwicksuk at gmail.com Sun Apr 12 21:31:39 2020 From: keithwicksuk at gmail.com (Keith Wicks) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2020 03:31:39 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Stirling Moss In-Reply-To: References: <5e9354c5.1c69fb81.14365.f68c@mx.google.com> Message-ID: A similar story to Pat's. Long ago, Stirling lent an old car to a mutual friend. The police stopped her for speeding. During the interrogation, the police officer asked if it was her car. She said it wasn't. "Don't tell me," he said, "I suppose it belongs to Stirling Moss." "Well, actually..." She told me it took a long time to convince him she was serious. But at least she was just given a warning about speeding. KW On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 at 19:45, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote: > When the reopening of Goodwood race circuit was under consideration > Stirling came down to do a demonstration run round in an old F1 car. The > frst time he?d driven there since his near-fatal crash in the 60s. It was > sponsored by Saab who provided a brand new 9000 turbo as a camera car with > a rally driver as chauffeur. I was sat in the hatchback area, (no harness!) > wih the hatch propped open with a broomstick. As we got set up, Stirling > came over to ask how far behind the Saab I wanted him to drive so I said > 20 feet. I set the focus on 20? and we did two fast laps and I never had to > touch it once. > ? > Graeme Wall > > > On 12 Apr 2020, at 18:49, patheigham via Tech1 > wrote: > > > > Sad to see the news today that Sir Stirling Moss has passed. > > On a shoot at Goodwood Festival of Speed one year, we picked up an > interview with the man, and I was able to ask him if a story was true, that > on being pulled over for speeding, the officer said in that typically > sarcastic way: ? ?oo do you think you are ? Stirling Moss?? > > ?Actually, yes!? > > It was true. > > > > Pat > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jpn at imixmics.co.uk Mon Apr 13 02:19:18 2020 From: jpn at imixmics.co.uk (John Nottage) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2020 08:19:18 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Stirling Moss In-Reply-To: References: <5e9354c5.1c69fb81.14365.f68c@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <5c8a0f4b-acff-399e-3908-3d1ad69426b2@imixmics.co.uk> Graham's email reminded me of an old photo I have. I suppose it was an old KA Sports Unit shoot, maybe Silverstone. Perhaps someone recognizes the location. It features an old racing car, Sterling Moss, Murray Walker, Trevor Wimlett & someone I don't recognise. John On 12/04/2020 19:44, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote: > When the reopening of Goodwood race circuit was under consideration Stirling came down to do a demonstration run round in an old F1 car. The frst time he?d driven there since his near-fatal crash in the 60s. It was sponsored by Saab who provided a brand new 9000 turbo as a camera car with a rally driver as chauffeur. I was sat in the hatchback area, (no harness!) wih the hatch propped open with a broomstick. As we got set up, Stirling came over to ask how far behind the Saab I wanted him to drive so I said 20 feet. I set the focus on 20? and we did two fast laps and I never had to touch it once. > ? > Graeme Wall > > >> On 12 Apr 2020, at 18:49, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: >> >> Sad to see the news today that Sir Stirling Moss has passed. >> On a shoot at Goodwood Festival of Speed one year, we picked up an interview with the man, and I was able to ask him if a story was true, that on being pulled over for speeding, the officer said in that typically sarcastic way: ? ?oo do you think you are ? Stirling Moss?? >> ?Actually, yes!? >> It was true. >> >> Pat >> Sent from Mail for Windows 10 >> >> >> >> >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >> www.avast.com >> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Car 1.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 984501 bytes Desc: not available URL: From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net Mon Apr 13 02:31:27 2020 From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2020 08:31:27 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Stirling Moss In-Reply-To: <5c8a0f4b-acff-399e-3908-3d1ad69426b2@imixmics.co.uk> References: <5e9354c5.1c69fb81.14365.f68c@mx.google.com> <5c8a0f4b-acff-399e-3908-3d1ad69426b2@imixmics.co.uk> Message-ID: <280CBA4752FA4A23BC309BFCD3014770@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> Can't help with the unidentified 'someone' but the car's definitely a Vanwall which would make the date 1958 or thereabouts. Dave Newbitt. -----Original Message----- From: John Nottage via Tech1 Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 8:19 AM To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Stirling Moss Graham's email reminded me of an old photo I have. I suppose it was an old KA Sports Unit shoot, maybe Silverstone. Perhaps someone recognizes the location. It features an old racing car, Sterling Moss, Murray Walker, Trevor Wimlett & someone I don't recognise. John On 12/04/2020 19:44, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote: > When the reopening of Goodwood race circuit was under consideration > Stirling came down to do a demonstration run round in an old F1 car. The > frst time he?d driven there since his near-fatal crash in the 60s. It was > sponsored by Saab who provided a brand new 9000 turbo as a camera car with > a rally driver as chauffeur. I was sat in the hatchback area, (no > harness!) wih the hatch propped open with a broomstick. As we got set up, > Stirling came over to ask how far behind the Saab I wanted him to drive > so I said 20 feet. I set the focus on 20? and we did two fast laps and I > never had to touch it once. > ? > Graeme Wall > > >> On 12 Apr 2020, at 18:49, patheigham via Tech1 >> wrote: >> >> Sad to see the news today that Sir Stirling Moss has passed. >> On a shoot at Goodwood Festival of Speed one year, we picked up an >> interview with the man, and I was able to ask him if a story was true, >> that on being pulled over for speeding, the officer said in that >> typically sarcastic way: ? ?oo do you think you are ? Stirling Moss?? >> ?Actually, yes!? >> It was true. >> >> Pat >> Sent from Mail for Windows 10 >> >> >> >> >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >> www.avast.com >> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From alanaudio at me.com Mon Apr 13 02:37:25 2020 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2020 08:37:25 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Stirling Moss In-Reply-To: <280CBA4752FA4A23BC309BFCD3014770@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> References: <280CBA4752FA4A23BC309BFCD3014770@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> Message-ID: The Vanwall may be from 1958, but I would have thought that the camera was from the 1980s or thereabouts and Trevor looks like he might be in his 1980s vintage too. My guess would be that it was shot at a revival meeting or a motor racing museum. However I do think that the Vanwalls and other cars of that vintage look like proper racing cars, even if they do have amazingly skinny tyres. Alan Taylor > On 13 Apr 2020, at 08:31, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: > > ?Can't help with the unidentified 'someone' but the car's definitely a Vanwall which would make the date 1958 or thereabouts. > > Dave Newbitt. > > -----Original Message----- From: John Nottage via Tech1 > Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 8:19 AM > To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > Subject: Re: [Tech1] Stirling Moss > > Graham's email reminded me of an old photo I have. I suppose it was an > old KA Sports Unit shoot, maybe Silverstone. Perhaps someone recognizes > the location. It features an old racing car, Sterling Moss, Murray > Walker, Trevor Wimlett & someone I don't recognise. > > John > >> On 12/04/2020 19:44, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote: >> When the reopening of Goodwood race circuit was under consideration Stirling came down to do a demonstration run round in an old F1 car. The frst time he?d driven there since his near-fatal crash in the 60s. It was sponsored by Saab who provided a brand new 9000 turbo as a camera car with a rally driver as chauffeur. I was sat in the hatchback area, (no harness!) wih the hatch propped open with a broomstick. As we got set up, Stirling came over to ask how far behind the Saab I wanted him to drive so I said 20 feet. I set the focus on 20? and we did two fast laps and I never had to touch it once. >> ? >> Graeme Wall >> >> >>>> On 12 Apr 2020, at 18:49, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: >>> >>> Sad to see the news today that Sir Stirling Moss has passed. >>> On a shoot at Goodwood Festival of Speed one year, we picked up an interview with the man, and I was able to ask him if a story was true, that on being pulled over for speeding, the officer said in that typically sarcastic way: ? ?oo do you think you are ? Stirling Moss?? >>> ?Actually, yes!? >>> It was true. >>> >>> Pat >>> Sent from Mail for Windows 10 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >>> www.avast.com >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> >> > > > > > > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From jpn at imixmics.co.uk Mon Apr 13 02:40:43 2020 From: jpn at imixmics.co.uk (John Nottage) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2020 08:40:43 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Stirling Moss In-Reply-To: <280CBA4752FA4A23BC309BFCD3014770@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> References: <5e9354c5.1c69fb81.14365.f68c@mx.google.com> <5c8a0f4b-acff-399e-3908-3d1ad69426b2@imixmics.co.uk> <280CBA4752FA4A23BC309BFCD3014770@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> Message-ID: <8ec2ac05-a729-cdb2-0937-6d41b1b31a06@imixmics.co.uk> Photo date would probably be late 80s or early 90s. Maybe the camera used would help narrow it down. John On 13/04/2020 08:31, David Newbitt wrote: > Can't help with the unidentified 'someone' but the car's definitely a > Vanwall which would make the date 1958 or thereabouts. > > Dave Newbitt. > > -----Original Message----- From: John Nottage via Tech1 > Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 8:19 AM > To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > Subject: Re: [Tech1] Stirling Moss > > Graham's email reminded me of an old photo I have. I suppose it was an > old KA Sports Unit shoot, maybe Silverstone. Perhaps someone recognizes > the location. It features an old racing car, Sterling Moss, Murray > Walker, Trevor Wimlett & someone I don't recognise. > > John > > On 12/04/2020 19:44, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote: >> When the reopening of Goodwood race circuit was under consideration >> Stirling came down to do a demonstration run round in an old F1 car. >> The frst time he?d driven there since his near-fatal crash in the 60s. >> It was sponsored by Saab who provided a brand new 9000 turbo as a >> camera car with a rally driver as chauffeur. I was sat in the >> hatchback area, (no harness!) wih the hatch propped open with a >> broomstick. As we got set up, Stirling came over to ask how far behind >> the Saab? I wanted him to drive so I said 20 feet. I set the focus on >> 20? and we did two fast laps and I never had to touch it once. >> ? >> Graeme Wall >> >> >>> On 12 Apr 2020, at 18:49, patheigham via Tech1 >>> wrote: >>> >>> Sad to see the news today that Sir Stirling Moss has passed. >>> On a shoot at Goodwood Festival of Speed one year, we picked up an >>> interview with the man, and I was able to ask him if a story was >>> true, that on being pulled over for speeding, the officer said in >>> that typically sarcastic way: ? ?oo do you think you are ? Stirling >>> Moss?? >>> ?Actually, yes!? >>> It was true. >>> >>> Pat >>> Sent from Mail for Windows 10 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >>> www.avast.com >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> >> > > > > > > > From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com Mon Apr 13 02:49:43 2020 From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2020 08:49:43 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Broadcast by YouTube Message-ID: Hi all, Last night, at 18:00, my wife and I watched, with many people across the world, Andrea Bocelli's? broadcast from Milan Cathedral. On YouTube. No national television production company (like RAI) no EBU, no International Control Room (is there one still?),, no Red B or other Presentation intros. Looked like some drone cameras, some handheld (the track that the screen grab comes from was a bit wobblyvision), looked like some fixed position remote operated. Is this the future ...? -- Best Regards Alec Alec Bray alec.bray.2 at gmail.com mob: 07789 561 346 home: 0118 981 7502 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: cgdcpdkjddfkcbca.png Type: image/png Size: 517234 bytes Desc: not available URL: From alanaudio at me.com Mon Apr 13 02:52:15 2020 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2020 08:52:15 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Stirling Moss In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Looking in the background, the top of the grandstand displays advertising for BP Visco 2000, which could suggest a date probably a little bit before 2000. On the other hand, they also manufacture BP Visco 5000, which by that same logic must be about three millennia ahead of its time. Alan > On 13 Apr 2020, at 08:37, Alan Taylor wrote: > > ?The Vanwall may be from 1958, but I would have thought that the camera was from the 1980s or thereabouts and Trevor looks like he might be in his 1980s vintage too. > > My guess would be that it was shot at a revival meeting or a motor racing museum. > > However I do think that the Vanwalls and other cars of that vintage look like proper racing cars, even if they do have amazingly skinny tyres. > > Alan Taylor > >> On 13 Apr 2020, at 08:31, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: >> >> ?Can't help with the unidentified 'someone' but the car's definitely a Vanwall which would make the date 1958 or thereabouts. >> >> Dave Newbitt. >> >> -----Original Message----- From: John Nottage via Tech1 >> Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 8:19 AM >> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Stirling Moss >> >> Graham's email reminded me of an old photo I have. I suppose it was an >> old KA Sports Unit shoot, maybe Silverstone. Perhaps someone recognizes >> the location. It features an old racing car, Sterling Moss, Murray >> Walker, Trevor Wimlett & someone I don't recognise. >> >> John >> >>>> On 12/04/2020 19:44, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote: >>> When the reopening of Goodwood race circuit was under consideration Stirling came down to do a demonstration run round in an old F1 car. The frst time he?d driven there since his near-fatal crash in the 60s. It was sponsored by Saab who provided a brand new 9000 turbo as a camera car with a rally driver as chauffeur. I was sat in the hatchback area, (no harness!) wih the hatch propped open with a broomstick. As we got set up, Stirling came over to ask how far behind the Saab I wanted him to drive so I said 20 feet. I set the focus on 20? and we did two fast laps and I never had to touch it once. >>> ? >>> Graeme Wall >>> >>> >>>>> On 12 Apr 2020, at 18:49, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: >>>> >>>> Sad to see the news today that Sir Stirling Moss has passed. >>>> On a shoot at Goodwood Festival of Speed one year, we picked up an interview with the man, and I was able to ask him if a story was true, that on being pulled over for speeding, the officer said in that typically sarcastic way: ? ?oo do you think you are ? Stirling Moss?? >>>> ?Actually, yes!? >>>> It was true. >>>> >>>> Pat >>>> Sent from Mail for Windows 10 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >>>> www.avast.com >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net Mon Apr 13 03:01:41 2020 From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2020 09:01:41 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Stirling Moss In-Reply-To: References: <280CBA4752FA4A23BC309BFCD3014770@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> Message-ID: That's a very gentle correction from you Alan - I've been justifiably criticised all my life for tunnel vision and here's a case in point. I was so focused on Moss and the Vanwall that I didn't even register the camera. I might also have noticed that although Murray Walker looked pretty young he would have looked an awful lot younger in 1958! Dave Newbitt. -----Original Message----- From: Alan Taylor via Tech1 Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 8:37 AM To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat Subject: Re: [Tech1] Stirling Moss The Vanwall may be from 1958, but I would have thought that the camera was from the 1980s or thereabouts and Trevor looks like he might be in his 1980s vintage too. My guess would be that it was shot at a revival meeting or a motor racing museum. However I do think that the Vanwalls and other cars of that vintage look like proper racing cars, even if they do have amazingly skinny tyres. Alan Taylor > On 13 Apr 2020, at 08:31, David Newbitt via Tech1 > wrote: > > ?Can't help with the unidentified 'someone' but the car's definitely a > Vanwall which would make the date 1958 or thereabouts. > > Dave Newbitt. > > -----Original Message----- From: John Nottage via Tech1 > Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 8:19 AM > To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > Subject: Re: [Tech1] Stirling Moss > > Graham's email reminded me of an old photo I have. I suppose it was an > old KA Sports Unit shoot, maybe Silverstone. Perhaps someone recognizes > the location. It features an old racing car, Sterling Moss, Murray > Walker, Trevor Wimlett & someone I don't recognise. > > John > >> On 12/04/2020 19:44, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote: >> When the reopening of Goodwood race circuit was under consideration >> Stirling came down to do a demonstration run round in an old F1 car. The >> frst time he?d driven there since his near-fatal crash in the 60s. It was >> sponsored by Saab who provided a brand new 9000 turbo as a camera car >> with a rally driver as chauffeur. I was sat in the hatchback area, (no >> harness!) wih the hatch propped open with a broomstick. As we got set up, >> Stirling came over to ask how far behind the Saab I wanted him to drive >> so I said 20 feet. I set the focus on 20? and we did two fast laps and I >> never had to touch it once. >> ? >> Graeme Wall >> >> >>>> On 12 Apr 2020, at 18:49, patheigham via Tech1 >>>> wrote: >>> >>> Sad to see the news today that Sir Stirling Moss has passed. >>> On a shoot at Goodwood Festival of Speed one year, we picked up an >>> interview with the man, and I was able to ask him if a story was true, >>> that on being pulled over for speeding, the officer said in that >>> typically sarcastic way: ? ?oo do you think you are ? Stirling Moss?? >>> ?Actually, yes!? >>> It was true. >>> >>> Pat >>> Sent from Mail for Windows 10 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >>> www.avast.com >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> >> > > > > > > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From graeme.wall at icloud.com Mon Apr 13 03:19:12 2020 From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2020 09:19:12 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Still walking In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: That one definitely takes the cake! Graeme Wall > On 13 Apr 2020, at 01:49, Peter Combes via Tech1 wrote: > > ? > Ah, Bo doubt descended from the Victorian joke: > "Do you like Kipling?' > :Oh you naughty boy, I.ve never Kippled!:" > > Peter Combes > Crew 3 Emeritus > > >> On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 at 19:58, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: >> I?m reminded of a Muppet Show joke: >> >> ?Do you like duckling?? >> >> ? I don?t know, I?ve never duckled!? >> >> >> >> (nice pic, Bernie!) >> >> Pat >> >> >> >> Sent from Mail for Windows 10 >> >> >> >> From: Bernard Newnham via Tech1 >> Sent: 12 April 2020 16:24 >> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> Subject: [Tech1] Still walking >> >> >> >> Same old walk down the canal, but improved by new sightings .... >> >> >> >> B >> >> >> >> >> >> >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >> www.avast.com >> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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(nice pic, Bernie!) Pat ? Sent from Mail for Windows 10 ? From: Bernard Newnham via Tech1 Sent: 12 April 2020 16:24 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: [Tech1] Still walking ? Same old walk down the canal, but improved by new sightings .... B ? This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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He laughed, remembered whose lip mic he inherited and doffed his legendary cap to this ?old gentleman of motor racing broadcasting?. I will always remember that 1973 Silverstone Grand Prix because I was working in the pit lane doing what I believe was the first UK pit lane reporter using high powered radio mics capable of working over the entire length of the pit lane. The reporter had a cabled stick mic and radio talkback. I carried a monster radio transmitter and a small battery powered mixer to the mic feed it. If I remember correctly our floor manager was a very youthful Simon Betts. The race started and after all the excitement, we were settling down until the first pit stop when we saw loads of dust and fibreglass panels flying into the air at turn one. We instinctively ran towards the incident, but our camera couldn?t come with us, either due to lack of cable, or lack of radio range. When we got there, we were stood amongst an eleven car pile up and our reporter did a very emotional and melodramatic live piece to camera about the utter carnage surrounding us. The camera on the Simon hoist at turn one provided excellent coverage for our report. At one point, we noticed that we were stood in puddles and realised that it might be fuel, so made a tactical withdrawal to a safer place. The marshals were entirely comfortable about us being on the track, which certainly wouldn?t be the case these days. Alan Taylor > On 13 Apr 2020, at 09:02, David Newbitt wrote: > > ?That's a very gentle correction from you Alan - I've been justifiably criticised all my life for tunnel vision and here's a case in point. I was so focused on Moss and the Vanwall that I didn't even register the camera. I might also have noticed that although Murray Walker looked pretty young he would have looked an awful lot younger in 1958! > > Dave Newbitt. > > -----Original Message----- From: Alan Taylor via Tech1 > Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 8:37 AM > To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat > Subject: Re: [Tech1] Stirling Moss > > The Vanwall may be from 1958, but I would have thought that the camera was from the 1980s or thereabouts and Trevor looks like he might be in his 1980s vintage too. > > My guess would be that it was shot at a revival meeting or a motor racing museum. > > However I do think that the Vanwalls and other cars of that vintage look like proper racing cars, even if they do have amazingly skinny tyres. > > Alan Taylor > >> On 13 Apr 2020, at 08:31, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: >> >> ?Can't help with the unidentified 'someone' but the car's definitely a Vanwall which would make the date 1958 or thereabouts. >> >> Dave Newbitt. >> >> -----Original Message----- From: John Nottage via Tech1 >> Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 8:19 AM >> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Stirling Moss >> >> Graham's email reminded me of an old photo I have. I suppose it was an >> old KA Sports Unit shoot, maybe Silverstone. Perhaps someone recognizes >> the location. It features an old racing car, Sterling Moss, Murray >> Walker, Trevor Wimlett & someone I don't recognise. >> >> John >> >>>> On 12/04/2020 19:44, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote: >>> When the reopening of Goodwood race circuit was under consideration Stirling came down to do a demonstration run round in an old F1 car. The frst time he?d driven there since his near-fatal crash in the 60s. It was sponsored by Saab who provided a brand new 9000 turbo as a camera car with a rally driver as chauffeur. I was sat in the hatchback area, (no harness!) wih the hatch propped open with a broomstick. As we got set up, Stirling came over to ask how far behind the Saab I wanted him to drive so I said 20 feet. I set the focus on 20? and we did two fast laps and I never had to touch it once. >>> ? >>> Graeme Wall >>> >>> >>>>> On 12 Apr 2020, at 18:49, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: >>>> >>>> Sad to see the news today that Sir Stirling Moss has passed. >>>> On a shoot at Goodwood Festival of Speed one year, we picked up an interview with the man, and I was able to ask him if a story was true, that on being pulled over for speeding, the officer said in that typically sarcastic way: ? ?oo do you think you are ? Stirling Moss?? >>>> ?Actually, yes!? >>>> It was true. >>>> >>>> Pat >>>> Sent from Mail for Windows 10 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >>>> www.avast.com >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From waresound at msn.com Mon Apr 13 04:06:00 2020 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2020 09:06:00 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Stirling Moss Message-ID: ??Who do you think you are, Stirling Moss?? was, perhaps unsurprisingly, pretty much a standard question asked by speed cops. My F-in-L was a Royal Protection cop in Richmond Park for more than ten years, and with an overall speed limit of 20MPH in the park, got to use that phrase regularly. But he was a Gent, because he once told me. ?If I pull somene over and start off with that Stirling Moss quip, they?re probably only going to get a ticking-off.? His other pet saying, if you happened to be a passenger in his (own) car, and someone coming the other way flashed their lights at him, was: ?If you?ve got time to flash your lights at me, you?ve got time to put your foot on your brakes!? A shining example of how not to drive, even in his own car, he behaved as if he had blues-and-twos on all the time. And that?s a policeman with an Advanced driver?s licence! RIP, Reggie B and Stirling Moss. Cheers, Nick. Sent from my iPad mini 5 On 13 Apr 2020, at 03:32, Keith Wicks via Tech1 wrote: ? A similar story to Pat's. Long ago, Stirling lent an old car to a mutual friend. The police stopped her for speeding. During the interrogation, the police officer asked if it was her car. She said it wasn't. "Don't tell me," he said, "I suppose it belongs to Stirling Moss." "Well, actually..." She told me it took a long time to convince him she was serious. But at least she was just given a warning about speeding. KW > On 12 Apr 2020, at 18:49, patheigham via Tech1 > wrote: > > Sad to see the news today that Sir Stirling Moss has passed. > On a shoot at Goodwood Festival of Speed one year, we picked up an interview with the man, and I was able to ask him if a story was true, that on being pulled over for speeding, the officer said in that typically sarcastic way: ? ?oo do you think you are ? Stirling Moss?? > ?Actually, yes!? > It was true. > > Pat > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I don?t know, I?ve never duckled!? >>> >>> >>> >>> (nice pic, Bernie!) >>> >>> Pat >>> >>> >>> >>> Sent from Mail for Windows 10 >>> >>> >>> >>> From: Bernard Newnham via Tech1 >>> Sent: 12 April 2020 16:24 >>> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> Subject: [Tech1] Still walking >>> >>> >>> >>> Same old walk down the canal, but improved by new sightings .... >>> >>> >>> >>> B >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >>> www.avast.com >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > From bernie833 at gmail.com Mon Apr 13 04:11:51 2020 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2020 10:11:51 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Forwarded Message-ID: <98ca9e5c-387b-1f59-a35a-9b1910248747@gmail.com> The attached message has been automatically discarded. ForwardedMessage.eml Subject: Re: [Tech1] Different topic From: Geoffrey Hawkes Date: 13/04/2020, 00:15 To: "dave.mdv" CC: ROGER BUNCE , Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk I was on Crew 1 for a while when Dave Hawthorn was the SA1. He was quite tall and I was amused by the way the way when operating a boom he would crouch on the platform with his legs folded under him like a grasshopper which he said was so his head was below the level of the lights and he could see the action much better. He struck me as an excellent boom op as he had fast reactions and could flick the mic between the actors to pick up their speeches perfectly on target.I remember him telling me that he was a keen swimmer and would don a wetsuit to go in the sea near his home even in cold weather. He and a lady in the office (Sonia?) had a thing going I believe, at least she gave the impression of being very friendly with him - and why not? 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I was so focused on Moss and the Vanwall that I didn't even register the camera. I might also have noticed that although Murray Walker looked pretty young he would have looked an awful lot younger in 1958! > > Dave Newbitt. > > -----Original Message----- From: Alan Taylor via Tech1 > Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 8:37 AM > To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat > Subject: Re: [Tech1] Stirling Moss > > The Vanwall may be from 1958, but I would have thought that the camera was from the 1980s or thereabouts and Trevor looks like he might be in his 1980s vintage too. > > My guess would be that it was shot at a revival meeting or a motor racing museum. > > However I do think that the Vanwalls and other cars of that vintage look like proper racing cars, even if they do have amazingly skinny tyres. > > Alan Taylor > >> On 13 Apr 2020, at 08:31, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: >> >> ?Can't help with the unidentified 'someone' but the car's definitely a Vanwall which would make the date 1958 or thereabouts. >> >> Dave Newbitt. >> >> -----Original Message----- From: John Nottage via Tech1 >> Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 8:19 AM >> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Stirling Moss >> >> Graham's email reminded me of an old photo I have. I suppose it was an >> old KA Sports Unit shoot, maybe Silverstone. Perhaps someone recognizes >> the location. It features an old racing car, Sterling Moss, Murray >> Walker, Trevor Wimlett & someone I don't recognise. >> >> John >> >>>> On 12/04/2020 19:44, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote: >>> When the reopening of Goodwood race circuit was under consideration Stirling came down to do a demonstration run round in an old F1 car. The frst time he?d driven there since his near-fatal crash in the 60s. It was sponsored by Saab who provided a brand new 9000 turbo as a camera car with a rally driver as chauffeur. I was sat in the hatchback area, (no harness!) wih the hatch propped open with a broomstick. As we got set up, Stirling came over to ask how far behind the Saab I wanted him to drive so I said 20 feet. I set the focus on 20? and we did two fast laps and I never had to touch it once. >>> ? >>> Graeme Wall >>> >>> >>>>> On 12 Apr 2020, at 18:49, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: >>>> >>>> Sad to see the news today that Sir Stirling Moss has passed. >>>> On a shoot at Goodwood Festival of Speed one year, we picked up an interview with the man, and I was able to ask him if a story was true, that on being pulled over for speeding, the officer said in that typically sarcastic way: ? ?oo do you think you are ? Stirling Moss?? >>>> ?Actually, yes!? >>>> It was true. >>>> >>>> Pat >>>> Sent from Mail for Windows 10 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >>>> www.avast.com >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From s.k.edwards at btinternet.com Mon Apr 13 04:14:09 2020 From: s.k.edwards at btinternet.com (Steve Edwards) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2020 10:14:09 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Stirling Moss In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5A288AF8-1AA3-4CC2-9687-85E92C180BC1@btinternet.com> Judging by the Red Triax or TV36? camera cable and the Austin Rover Ad in the background with logo of this type which didn?t appear until 1983, it would suggest a date of between 1983-1985 when this photo was taken. Given the cost of advertising, motor racing advertising was pretty much up to date I should think. Sorry I can?t answer anything else! S > On 13 Apr 2020, at 09:02, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: > > ?That's a very gentle correction from you Alan - I've been justifiably criticised all my life for tunnel vision and here's a case in point. I was so focused on Moss and the Vanwall that I didn't even register the camera. I might also have noticed that although Murray Walker looked pretty young he would have looked an awful lot younger in 1958! > > Dave Newbitt. > > -----Original Message----- From: Alan Taylor via Tech1 > Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 8:37 AM > To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat > Subject: Re: [Tech1] Stirling Moss > > The Vanwall may be from 1958, but I would have thought that the camera was from the 1980s or thereabouts and Trevor looks like he might be in his 1980s vintage too. > > My guess would be that it was shot at a revival meeting or a motor racing museum. > > However I do think that the Vanwalls and other cars of that vintage look like proper racing cars, even if they do have amazingly skinny tyres. > > Alan Taylor > >> On 13 Apr 2020, at 08:31, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: >> >> ?Can't help with the unidentified 'someone' but the car's definitely a Vanwall which would make the date 1958 or thereabouts. >> >> Dave Newbitt. >> >> -----Original Message----- From: John Nottage via Tech1 >> Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 8:19 AM >> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Stirling Moss >> >> Graham's email reminded me of an old photo I have. I suppose it was an >> old KA Sports Unit shoot, maybe Silverstone. Perhaps someone recognizes >> the location. It features an old racing car, Sterling Moss, Murray >> Walker, Trevor Wimlett & someone I don't recognise. >> >> John >> >>>> On 12/04/2020 19:44, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote: >>> When the reopening of Goodwood race circuit was under consideration Stirling came down to do a demonstration run round in an old F1 car. The frst time he?d driven there since his near-fatal crash in the 60s. It was sponsored by Saab who provided a brand new 9000 turbo as a camera car with a rally driver as chauffeur. I was sat in the hatchback area, (no harness!) wih the hatch propped open with a broomstick. As we got set up, Stirling came over to ask how far behind the Saab I wanted him to drive so I said 20 feet. I set the focus on 20? and we did two fast laps and I never had to touch it once. >>> ? >>> Graeme Wall >>> >>> >>>>> On 12 Apr 2020, at 18:49, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: >>>> >>>> Sad to see the news today that Sir Stirling Moss has passed. >>>> On a shoot at Goodwood Festival of Speed one year, we picked up an interview with the man, and I was able to ask him if a story was true, that on being pulled over for speeding, the officer said in that typically sarcastic way: ? ?oo do you think you are ? Stirling Moss?? >>>> ?Actually, yes!? >>>> It was true. >>>> >>>> Pat >>>> Sent from Mail for Windows 10 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >>>> www.avast.com >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net Mon Apr 13 04:30:52 2020 From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2020 10:30:52 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Stirling Moss In-Reply-To: <7D00883E-648E-4338-AE7C-CEABFCADBCE6@me.com> References: <7D00883E-648E-4338-AE7C-CEABFCADBCE6@me.com> Message-ID: <1B54DB112D0447D7873D93465432C830@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> I seem to remember John Bolster doing pit lane stuff for the BBC though it might be best if I steer away from dates! Did you encounter him at all Alan? Dave Newbitt -----Original Message----- From: Alan Taylor via Tech1 Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 10:05 AM To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat Subject: Re: [Tech1] Stirling Moss I?m pretty sure that Murray Walker didn?t work for the BBC in ?58 either. I was working with Murray just a few years ago when he was commentating on some motor cycle racing and he jokingly referred to himself as being the person on site who has worked longest on motor racing television. Later during a pause, we were chatting and I told him that as far as I?m concerned, he was the new boy as I was working Formula One before he was commentating on it. He was intrigued and asked if I could remember who commentated before he did. Ray Baxter I replied, and Ray was certainly doing it until 1973. He laughed, remembered whose lip mic he inherited and doffed his legendary cap to this ?old gentleman of motor racing broadcasting?. I will always remember that 1973 Silverstone Grand Prix because I was working in the pit lane doing what I believe was the first UK pit lane reporter using high powered radio mics capable of working over the entire length of the pit lane. The reporter had a cabled stick mic and radio talkback. I carried a monster radio transmitter and a small battery powered mixer to the mic feed it. If I remember correctly our floor manager was a very youthful Simon Betts. The race started and after all the excitement, we were settling down until the first pit stop when we saw loads of dust and fibreglass panels flying into the air at turn one. We instinctively ran towards the incident, but our camera couldn?t come with us, either due to lack of cable, or lack of radio range. When we got there, we were stood amongst an eleven car pile up and our reporter did a very emotional and melodramatic live piece to camera about the utter carnage surrounding us. The camera on the Simon hoist at turn one provided excellent coverage for our report. At one point, we noticed that we were stood in puddles and realised that it might be fuel, so made a tactical withdrawal to a safer place. The marshals were entirely comfortable about us being on the track, which certainly wouldn?t be the case these days. Alan Taylor > On 13 Apr 2020, at 09:02, David Newbitt wrote: > > ?That's a very gentle correction from you Alan - I've been justifiably > criticised all my life for tunnel vision and here's a case in point. I was > so focused on Moss and the Vanwall that I didn't even register the camera. > I might also have noticed that although Murray Walker looked pretty young > he would have looked an awful lot younger in 1958! > > Dave Newbitt. > > -----Original Message----- From: Alan Taylor via Tech1 > Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 8:37 AM > To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat > Subject: Re: [Tech1] Stirling Moss > > The Vanwall may be from 1958, but I would have thought that the camera was > from the 1980s or thereabouts and Trevor looks like he might be in his > 1980s vintage too. > > My guess would be that it was shot at a revival meeting or a motor racing > museum. > > However I do think that the Vanwalls and other cars of that vintage look > like proper racing cars, even if they do have amazingly skinny tyres. > > Alan Taylor > >> On 13 Apr 2020, at 08:31, David Newbitt via Tech1 >> wrote: >> >> ?Can't help with the unidentified 'someone' but the car's definitely a >> Vanwall which would make the date 1958 or thereabouts. >> >> Dave Newbitt. >> >> -----Original Message----- From: John Nottage via Tech1 >> Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 8:19 AM >> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Stirling Moss >> >> Graham's email reminded me of an old photo I have. I suppose it was an >> old KA Sports Unit shoot, maybe Silverstone. Perhaps someone recognizes >> the location. It features an old racing car, Sterling Moss, Murray >> Walker, Trevor Wimlett & someone I don't recognise. >> >> John >> >>>> On 12/04/2020 19:44, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote: >>> When the reopening of Goodwood race circuit was under consideration >>> Stirling came down to do a demonstration run round in an old F1 car. The >>> frst time he?d driven there since his near-fatal crash in the 60s. It >>> was sponsored by Saab who provided a brand new 9000 turbo as a camera >>> car with a rally driver as chauffeur. I was sat in the hatchback area, >>> (no harness!) wih the hatch propped open with a broomstick. As we got >>> set up, Stirling came over to ask how far behind the Saab I wanted him >>> to drive so I said 20 feet. I set the focus on 20? and we did two fast >>> laps and I never had to touch it once. >>> ? >>> Graeme Wall >>> >>> >>>>> On 12 Apr 2020, at 18:49, patheigham via Tech1 >>>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Sad to see the news today that Sir Stirling Moss has passed. >>>> On a shoot at Goodwood Festival of Speed one year, we picked up an >>>> interview with the man, and I was able to ask him if a story was true, >>>> that on being pulled over for speeding, the officer said in that >>>> typically sarcastic way: ? ?oo do you think you are ? Stirling Moss?? >>>> ?Actually, yes!? >>>> It was true. >>>> >>>> Pat >>>> Sent from Mail for Windows 10 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >>>> www.avast.com >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From rogerbunce at btinternet.com Mon Apr 13 04:44:55 2020 From: rogerbunce at btinternet.com (ROGER BUNCE) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2020 09:44:55 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Tech1] Queen visits TC3 in 1961 In-Reply-To: <348f9f9f-5e61-c55f-b903-bc2b6f723dfb@gmail.com> References: <348f9f9f-5e61-c55f-b903-bc2b6f723dfb@gmail.com> Message-ID: <592597755.7976284.1586771095400@mail.yahoo.com> O.K. Recapping what has been said on Facebook -Frank Rose ("Horse") is the ?Vision Control Supervisor,Gladys Davies is the Vision Mixer,Dave Sydenham is one of the T.O.M.s (Why were there two of them? Was one an A.T.O.M.?)Eddy Stuart is the Senior Cameraman, and the Crew is Crew 3.One of the Heron trackers may be John Cavacutti. (Are you out there, John? Sorry, if I've spelt your name wrong.)I wish I could put a name to the very familiar, pipe-smoking Lighting Man. (What were L.D.s called before they were T.M.1.s?) Any others? I'm going to have to nick some of these stills for my web-page, once I've got a working computer. luv, Rog. On Sunday, 12 April 2020, 11:21:26 BST, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: Someone on Facebook has found these Pathe News 16mm rushes - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCg9y2n7KRI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qH87uJdzWRs Name those workers..... B -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graeme.wall at icloud.com Mon Apr 13 04:45:29 2020 From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2020 10:45:29 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Still walking In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2722F826-900C-43FA-AFEB-1F4BE8DDBA26@icloud.com> See also Woking? ? Graeme Wall > On 13 Apr 2020, at 10:07, Cliff White wrote: > > Or, for residents of a certain town in Surrey; > "Do you like Dorking?" > ??????.well, you know the rest!! > Regards > Cliff > > On 4/13/20, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote: >> That one definitely takes the cake! >> >> Graeme Wall >> >>> On 13 Apr 2020, at 01:49, Peter Combes via Tech1 >>> wrote: >>> >>> ? >>> Ah, Bo doubt descended from the Victorian joke: >>> "Do you like Kipling?' >>> :Oh you naughty boy, I.ve never Kippled!:" >>> >>> Peter Combes >>> Crew 3 Emeritus >>> >>> >>>> On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 at 19:58, patheigham via Tech1 >>>> wrote: >>>> I?m reminded of a Muppet Show joke: >>>> >>>> ?Do you like duckling?? >>>> >>>> ? I don?t know, I?ve never duckled!? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> (nice pic, Bernie!) >>>> >>>> Pat >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Sent from Mail for Windows 10 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> From: Bernard Newnham via Tech1 >>>> Sent: 12 April 2020 16:24 >>>> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>> Subject: [Tech1] Still walking >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Same old walk down the canal, but improved by new sightings .... >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> B >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >>>> www.avast.com >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> From pat.heigham at amps.net Mon Apr 13 04:46:38 2020 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2020 10:46:38 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Walking In-Reply-To: <7c8a8e73-26df-2911-5910-810c0da760b5@btinternet.com> References: <7c8a8e73-26df-2911-5910-810c0da760b5@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <5e9434fe.1c69fb81.2ac28.5d5d@mx.google.com> Worth a visit, Dave, when the pestilence has left us. Look up directions on the National Trust site under Winkworth Arboretum. Best in early autumn, when the colours are changing. Sadly it?s currently closed, as are all NT properties at present, including their parks and gardens, although I cannot see that wandering in the open air is much of a risk. Don?t think that Surrey Police are using drone cameras yet, as oop North, to catch people (anyone got any Nazi SS uniforms stashed away, or Stasi-ed away?). https://www.nationaltrust.org.uk/winkworth-arboretum I prefer to park in the Lower Car Park, near Nick?s nature-boy swimming lake! and struggle up the hill to the tea room, the return journey is therefore downhill! Sorry to hear from Mike Giles, that Painshill is in financial difficulties. That too, is a pleasant place to stroll and picnic, but is rather expensive entry ?6.50 last time I went (2010 ? yikes!), but ?9 now, with ?8 old codgers? rate. https://www.painshill.co.uk/opening-times/ Possibly open at present, but best to phone and check. Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: dave.mdv via Tech1 Sent: 12 April 2020 23:34 To: Nick Ware; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Walking I've never heard of Winkworth gardens but it sounds like a lovely place to visit. One of our favourite gardens was bought by by an Eastern European millionaire who closed it to the public in 2010, sacked all of the staff, and that was that, and the gardens were left untouched. However, in 2017, they were bought by a group and I now see that the gardens are being re-opened again and restored which is great news. They are Leonardslee Gardens near Horsham. Cheers, Dave -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alanaudio at me.com Mon Apr 13 04:52:01 2020 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2020 10:52:01 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Stirling Moss In-Reply-To: <1B54DB112D0447D7873D93465432C830@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> References: <1B54DB112D0447D7873D93465432C830@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> Message-ID: If I could put a name to the pit lane reporter, I would have done so, even tentatively. It wasn?t somebody who I seemed to encounter subsequently, so probably not any of the famous people who have done that sort of thing subsequently. The name John Bolster doesn?t ring a bell, but it could still have been him as my old grey cells aren?t helping much. I do recall the the drivers included Jackie Stewart, Niki Lauda and James Hunt. Not a bad line up. Alan Taylor > On 13 Apr 2020, at 10:31, David Newbitt wrote: > > ?I seem to remember John Bolster doing pit lane stuff for the BBC though it might be best if I steer away from dates! Did you encounter him at all Alan? > > Dave Newbitt > > -----Original Message----- From: Alan Taylor via Tech1 > Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 10:05 AM > To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat > Subject: Re: [Tech1] Stirling Moss > > I?m pretty sure that Murray Walker didn?t work for the BBC in ?58 either. I was working with Murray just a few years ago when he was commentating on some motor cycle racing and he jokingly referred to himself as being the person on site who has worked longest on motor racing television. > > Later during a pause, we were chatting and I told him that as far as I?m concerned, he was the new boy as I was working Formula One before he was commentating on it. He was intrigued and asked if I could remember who commentated before he did. Ray Baxter I replied, and Ray was certainly doing it until 1973. He laughed, remembered whose lip mic he inherited and doffed his legendary cap to this ?old gentleman of motor racing broadcasting?. > > I will always remember that 1973 Silverstone Grand Prix because I was working in the pit lane doing what I believe was the first UK pit lane reporter using high powered radio mics capable of working over the entire length of the pit lane. The reporter had a cabled stick mic and radio talkback. I carried a monster radio transmitter and a small battery powered mixer to the mic feed it. If I remember correctly our floor manager was a very youthful Simon Betts. > > The race started and after all the excitement, we were settling down until the first pit stop when we saw loads of dust and fibreglass panels flying into the air at turn one. We instinctively ran towards the incident, but our camera couldn?t come with us, either due to lack of cable, or lack of radio range. When we got there, we were stood amongst an eleven car pile up and our reporter did a very emotional and melodramatic live piece to camera about the utter carnage surrounding us. The camera on the Simon hoist at turn one provided excellent coverage for our report. > > At one point, we noticed that we were stood in puddles and realised that it might be fuel, so made a tactical withdrawal to a safer place. The marshals were entirely comfortable about us being on the track, which certainly wouldn?t be the case these days. > > Alan Taylor > >> On 13 Apr 2020, at 09:02, David Newbitt wrote: >> >> ?That's a very gentle correction from you Alan - I've been justifiably criticised all my life for tunnel vision and here's a case in point. I was so focused on Moss and the Vanwall that I didn't even register the camera. I might also have noticed that although Murray Walker looked pretty young he would have looked an awful lot younger in 1958! >> >> Dave Newbitt. >> >> -----Original Message----- From: Alan Taylor via Tech1 >> Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 8:37 AM >> To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat >> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Stirling Moss >> >> The Vanwall may be from 1958, but I would have thought that the camera was from the 1980s or thereabouts and Trevor looks like he might be in his 1980s vintage too. >> >> My guess would be that it was shot at a revival meeting or a motor racing museum. >> >> However I do think that the Vanwalls and other cars of that vintage look like proper racing cars, even if they do have amazingly skinny tyres. >> >> Alan Taylor >> >>>> On 13 Apr 2020, at 08:31, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: >>> >>> ?Can't help with the unidentified 'someone' but the car's definitely a Vanwall which would make the date 1958 or thereabouts. >>> >>> Dave Newbitt. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- From: John Nottage via Tech1 >>> Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 8:19 AM >>> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Stirling Moss >>> >>> Graham's email reminded me of an old photo I have. I suppose it was an >>> old KA Sports Unit shoot, maybe Silverstone. Perhaps someone recognizes >>> the location. It features an old racing car, Sterling Moss, Murray >>> Walker, Trevor Wimlett & someone I don't recognise. >>> >>> John >>> >>>>> On 12/04/2020 19:44, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote: >>>> When the reopening of Goodwood race circuit was under consideration Stirling came down to do a demonstration run round in an old F1 car. The frst time he?d driven there since his near-fatal crash in the 60s. It was sponsored by Saab who provided a brand new 9000 turbo as a camera car with a rally driver as chauffeur. I was sat in the hatchback area, (no harness!) wih the hatch propped open with a broomstick. As we got set up, Stirling came over to ask how far behind the Saab I wanted him to drive so I said 20 feet. I set the focus on 20? and we did two fast laps and I never had to touch it once. >>>> ? >>>> Graeme Wall >>>> >>>> >>>>>> On 12 Apr 2020, at 18:49, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Sad to see the news today that Sir Stirling Moss has passed. >>>>> On a shoot at Goodwood Festival of Speed one year, we picked up an interview with the man, and I was able to ask him if a story was true, that on being pulled over for speeding, the officer said in that typically sarcastic way: ? ?oo do you think you are ? Stirling Moss?? >>>>> ?Actually, yes!? >>>>> It was true. >>>>> >>>>> Pat >>>>> Sent from Mail for Windows 10 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >>>>> www.avast.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>> >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From waresound at msn.com Mon Apr 13 05:40:51 2020 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2020 10:40:51 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Still walking Message-ID: In my picture yesterday of the Winkworth lake I?ve just noticed something weird. I can see a car in it! Can anyone else see it, or is it just me? Nick. Sent from my iPad mini 5 > On 13 Apr 2020, at 10:08, Cliff White via Tech1 wrote: > > ?Or, for residents of a certain town in Surrey; > "Do you like Dorking?" > ??????.well, you know the rest!! > Regards > Cliff > >>> On 4/13/20, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote: >> That one definitely takes the cake! >> Graeme Wall >>> On 13 Apr 2020, at 01:49, Peter Combes via Tech1 >>> wrote: >>> ? >>> Ah, Bo doubt descended from the Victorian joke: >>> "Do you like Kipling?' >>> :Oh you naughty boy, I.ve never Kippled!:" >>> Peter Combes >>> Crew 3 Emeritus >>>> On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 at 19:58, patheigham via Tech1 >>>> wrote: >>>> I?m reminded of a Muppet Show joke: >>>> ?Do you like duckling?? >>>> ? I don?t know, I?ve never duckled!? >>>> (nice pic, Bernie!) >>>> Pat >>>> Sent from Mail for Windows 10 >>>> From: Bernard Newnham via Tech1 >>>> Sent: 12 April 2020 16:24 >>>> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>> Subject: [Tech1] Still walking >>>> Same old walk down the canal, but improved by new sightings .... >>>> B >>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >>>> www.avast.com >>>> -- >>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From graeme.wall at icloud.com Mon Apr 13 05:45:15 2020 From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2020 11:45:15 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Still walking In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: You mean the grass whirls on the bank on the right? Does look like a car! ? Graeme Wall > On 13 Apr 2020, at 11:40, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: > > In my picture yesterday of the Winkworth lake I?ve just noticed something weird. I can see a car in it! Can anyone else see it, or is it just me? > Nick. > > Sent from my iPad mini 5 > >> On 13 Apr 2020, at 10:08, Cliff White via Tech1 wrote: >> >> ?Or, for residents of a certain town in Surrey; >> "Do you like Dorking?" >> ??????.well, you know the rest!! >> Regards >> Cliff >> >>>> On 4/13/20, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote: >>> That one definitely takes the cake! >>> Graeme Wall >>>> On 13 Apr 2020, at 01:49, Peter Combes via Tech1 >>>> wrote: >>>> ? >>>> Ah, Bo doubt descended from the Victorian joke: >>>> "Do you like Kipling?' >>>> :Oh you naughty boy, I.ve never Kippled!:" >>>> Peter Combes >>>> Crew 3 Emeritus >>>>> On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 at 19:58, patheigham via Tech1 >>>>> wrote: >>>>> I?m reminded of a Muppet Show joke: >>>>> ?Do you like duckling?? >>>>> ? I don?t know, I?ve never duckled!? >>>>> (nice pic, Bernie!) >>>>> Pat >>>>> Sent from Mail for Windows 10 >>>>> From: Bernard Newnham via Tech1 >>>>> Sent: 12 April 2020 16:24 >>>>> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>>> Subject: [Tech1] Still walking >>>>> Same old walk down the canal, but improved by new sightings .... >>>>> B >>>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >>>>> www.avast.com >>>>> -- >>>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>>> -- >>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net Mon Apr 13 05:51:21 2020 From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2020 11:51:21 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Fw: Stirling Moss Message-ID: Not sure this made it through the system so trying again. Dave Newbitt. -----Original Message----- From: David Newbitt Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 10:30 AM To: Alan Taylor ; Tech-Ops-chit-chat Subject: Re: [Tech1] Stirling Moss I seem to remember John Bolster doing pit lane stuff for the BBC though it might be best if I steer away from dates! Did you encounter him at all Alan? Dave Newbitt -----Original Message----- From: Alan Taylor via Tech1 Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 10:05 AM To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat Subject: Re: [Tech1] Stirling Moss I?m pretty sure that Murray Walker didn?t work for the BBC in ?58 either. I was working with Murray just a few years ago when he was commentating on some motor cycle racing and he jokingly referred to himself as being the person on site who has worked longest on motor racing television. Later during a pause, we were chatting and I told him that as far as I?m concerned, he was the new boy as I was working Formula One before he was commentating on it. He was intrigued and asked if I could remember who commentated before he did. Ray Baxter I replied, and Ray was certainly doing it until 1973. He laughed, remembered whose lip mic he inherited and doffed his legendary cap to this ?old gentleman of motor racing broadcasting?. I will always remember that 1973 Silverstone Grand Prix because I was working in the pit lane doing what I believe was the first UK pit lane reporter using high powered radio mics capable of working over the entire length of the pit lane. The reporter had a cabled stick mic and radio talkback. I carried a monster radio transmitter and a small battery powered mixer to the mic feed it. If I remember correctly our floor manager was a very youthful Simon Betts. The race started and after all the excitement, we were settling down until the first pit stop when we saw loads of dust and fibreglass panels flying into the air at turn one. We instinctively ran towards the incident, but our camera couldn?t come with us, either due to lack of cable, or lack of radio range. When we got there, we were stood amongst an eleven car pile up and our reporter did a very emotional and melodramatic live piece to camera about the utter carnage surrounding us. The camera on the Simon hoist at turn one provided excellent coverage for our report. At one point, we noticed that we were stood in puddles and realised that it might be fuel, so made a tactical withdrawal to a safer place. The marshals were entirely comfortable about us being on the track, which certainly wouldn?t be the case these days. Alan Taylor > On 13 Apr 2020, at 09:02, David Newbitt wrote: > > ?That's a very gentle correction from you Alan - I've been justifiably > criticised all my life for tunnel vision and here's a case in point. I was > so focused on Moss and the Vanwall that I didn't even register the camera. > I might also have noticed that although Murray Walker looked pretty young > he would have looked an awful lot younger in 1958! > > Dave Newbitt. > > -----Original Message----- From: Alan Taylor via Tech1 > Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 8:37 AM > To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat > Subject: Re: [Tech1] Stirling Moss > > The Vanwall may be from 1958, but I would have thought that the camera was > from the 1980s or thereabouts and Trevor looks like he might be in his > 1980s vintage too. > > My guess would be that it was shot at a revival meeting or a motor racing > museum. > > However I do think that the Vanwalls and other cars of that vintage look > like proper racing cars, even if they do have amazingly skinny tyres. > > Alan Taylor > >> On 13 Apr 2020, at 08:31, David Newbitt via Tech1 >> wrote: >> >> ?Can't help with the unidentified 'someone' but the car's definitely a >> Vanwall which would make the date 1958 or thereabouts. >> >> Dave Newbitt. >> >> -----Original Message----- From: John Nottage via Tech1 >> Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 8:19 AM >> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Stirling Moss >> >> Graham's email reminded me of an old photo I have. I suppose it was an >> old KA Sports Unit shoot, maybe Silverstone. Perhaps someone recognizes >> the location. It features an old racing car, Sterling Moss, Murray >> Walker, Trevor Wimlett & someone I don't recognise. >> >> John >> >>>> On 12/04/2020 19:44, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote: >>> When the reopening of Goodwood race circuit was under consideration >>> Stirling came down to do a demonstration run round in an old F1 car. The >>> frst time he?d driven there since his near-fatal crash in the 60s. It >>> was sponsored by Saab who provided a brand new 9000 turbo as a camera >>> car with a rally driver as chauffeur. I was sat in the hatchback area, >>> (no harness!) wih the hatch propped open with a broomstick. As we got >>> set up, Stirling came over to ask how far behind the Saab I wanted him >>> to drive so I said 20 feet. I set the focus on 20? and we did two fast >>> laps and I never had to touch it once. >>> ? >>> Graeme Wall >>> >>> >>>>> On 12 Apr 2020, at 18:49, patheigham via Tech1 >>>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Sad to see the news today that Sir Stirling Moss has passed. >>>> On a shoot at Goodwood Festival of Speed one year, we picked up an >>>> interview with the man, and I was able to ask him if a story was true, >>>> that on being pulled over for speeding, the officer said in that >>>> typically sarcastic way: ? ?oo do you think you are ? Stirling Moss?? >>>> ?Actually, yes!? >>>> It was true. >>>> >>>> Pat >>>> Sent from Mail for Windows 10 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >>>> www.avast.com >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From pat.heigham at amps.net Mon Apr 13 06:09:32 2020 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2020 12:09:32 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Still walking In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5e94486d.1c69fb81.489a2.87dd@mx.google.com> Agree with Graeme, it?s grass or reeds, I reckon. Ahem! Should have gone to *Specsavers! *Casting back to favourite, or clever, or moving adverts, I love the Specsavers one in the vet?s surgery, where he has his stethoscope over a bundle of fur ? panics, and calls for his assistant for the cat resuscitation kit, for her to pick up her furry hat, and put it on, giving him a filthy look! Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Graeme Wall via Tech1 Sent: 13 April 2020 11:45 To: Nick Ware Cc: Tech ops Subject: Re: [Tech1] Still walking You mean the grass whirls on the bank on the right? Does look like a car! ? Graeme Wall > On 13 Apr 2020, at 11:40, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: > > In my picture yesterday of the Winkworth lake I?ve just noticed something weird. I can see a car in it! Can anyone else see it, or is it just me? > Nick. > > Sent from my iPad mini 5 -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Mon Apr 13 06:20:02 2020 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2020 12:20:02 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Still walking In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5e944ae2.1c69fb81.c6882.7e55@mx.google.com> >From our esteemed RT, E4 Channel The Sex Clinic series 2. Episode 6 - Sexual Health MOTs, Vaginal Dryness and Pegging Louis needs a check-up after being a naughty boy on a holiday with the lads, Becky wants advice on vaginal dryness, Connor wants a full sexual health MOT and Irfan wants advice on pegging Didn?t know ?pegging? so looked it up. You can look it up if you wish. As far as I knew, it was putting the washing on a whirligig dryer. Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Cliff White via Tech1 Sent: 13 April 2020 10:08 To: Graeme Wall Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Still walking Or, for residents of a certain town in Surrey; "Do you like Dorking?" ??????.well, you know the rest!! Regards Cliff -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hughsheppard at btinternet.com Mon Apr 13 06:44:31 2020 From: hughsheppard at btinternet.com (Hugh Sheppard) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2020 12:44:31 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Stirling Moss In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <414cbdd5-ed9c-1696-b5eb-6e344297488a@btinternet.com> Ah! Car-driving relos.... mine to remember was an uncle, at 4ft 11ins tall with a hare-lip that rendered speech difficult, who was an ace London Transport bus driver at testing and deliveries etc. In the post-war years he was nabbed in a double-decker STL for speeding...? 'Get down 'ere' said the cop. When Arthur did, the cop towered over him, then scratched his head: 'You?' 'Driving that at 50 miles per hour through Streatham?' 'Blimey'!! and that was that. Holidays were the worst. Uncle Arthur had no car, but sometimes hired one. With the family aboard, he drove it like a bus, expecting everyone to give way - roundabouts were his speciality... Hugh On 13-Apr-20 10:06 AM, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: > ??Who do you think you are, Stirling Moss?? was, perhaps > unsurprisingly, pretty much a standard question asked by speed cops. > My F-in-L was a Royal Protection cop in Richmond Park for more than > ten years, and with an overall speed limit of 20MPH in the park, got > to use that phrase regularly. But he was a Gent, because he once told > me. ?If I pull somene over and start off with that Stirling Moss quip, > they?re probably only going to get a ticking-off.? > His other pet saying, if you happened to be a passenger in his (own) > car, and someone coming the other way flashed their lights at him, > was: ?If you?ve got time to flash your lights at me, you?ve got time > to put your foot on your brakes!? A shining example of how not to > drive, even in his own car, he behaved as if he had blues-and-twos on > all the time. And that?s a policeman with an Advanced driver?s licence! > RIP, Reggie B and Stirling Moss. > Cheers, > Nick. > Sent from my iPad mini 5 > >> On 13 Apr 2020, at 03:32, Keith Wicks via Tech1 >> wrote: >> >> ? >> A similar story to Pat's. Long ago, Stirling lent an old car to a >> mutual friend. The police stopped her for speeding. During the >> interrogation, the police officer asked if it was her car. She said >> it wasn't. "Don't tell me," he said, "I suppose it belongs to >> Stirling Moss." "Well, actually..." She told me it took a long time >> to convince?him she was serious. But at least she was just given a >> warning about speeding. >> KW >> >> > On 12 Apr 2020, at 18:49, patheigham via Tech1 >> > wrote: >> > >> > Sad to see the news today that Sir Stirling Moss has passed. >> > On a shoot at Goodwood Festival of Speed one year, we picked up >> an interview with the man, and I was able to ask him if a story >> was true, that on being pulled over for speeding, the officer >> said in that typically sarcastic way: ? ?oo do you think you are >> ? Stirling Moss?? >> > ?Actually, yes!? >> > It was true. >> > >> > Pat >> > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 >> >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cliffwhite4628 at gmail.com Mon Apr 13 06:55:27 2020 From: cliffwhite4628 at gmail.com (Cliff White) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2020 12:55:27 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Still walking In-Reply-To: <5e94486d.1c69fb81.489a2.87dd@mx.google.com> References: <5e94486d.1c69fb81.489a2.87dd@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Speaking of adverts, there is one doing the rounds on satellite TV in which Tommy Walsh (of Ground Force fame) talks about Crocodile Garage Doors. Towards the end he mentions ?their neat, spacing-saving design? before closing by praising the ?craftsmanship? (his catch-phrase of course!). In between, he says something that sounds like ?And?izzle dozzle the yews?. Wot!! I have tried everything I can think of to decipher this phrase - putting my ear against the speaker, lip-reading, transcendental meditation - but still cannot work out what he can possibly be saying, Anyone up for a challenge!?! Regards Cliff On 4/13/20, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > Agree with Graeme, it?s grass or reeds, I reckon. > Ahem! Should have gone to *Specsavers! > > *Casting back to favourite, or clever, or moving adverts, I love the > Specsavers one in the vet?s surgery, where he has his stethoscope over a > bundle of fur ? panics, and calls for his assistant for the cat > resuscitation kit, for her to pick up her furry hat, and put it on, giving > him a filthy look! > > Pat > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > From: Graeme Wall via Tech1 > Sent: 13 April 2020 11:45 > To: Nick Ware > Cc: Tech ops > Subject: Re: [Tech1] Still walking > > You mean the grass whirls on the bank on the right? Does look like a car! > > ? > Graeme Wall > > >> On 13 Apr 2020, at 11:40, Nick Ware via Tech1 >> wrote: >> >> In my picture yesterday of the Winkworth lake I?ve just noticed something >> weird. I can see a car in it! Can anyone else see it, or is it just me? >> Nick. >> >> Sent from my iPad mini 5 > > > > -- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > From pat.heigham at amps.net Mon Apr 13 07:07:04 2020 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2020 13:07:04 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Buses, was Stirling Moss In-Reply-To: <414cbdd5-ed9c-1696-b5eb-6e344297488a@btinternet.com> References: <414cbdd5-ed9c-1696-b5eb-6e344297488a@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <5e9455e9.1c69fb81.e5a89.4520@mx.google.com> Having had need to attend my local hospital for scans and follow-ups, and not wishing to pay the extortionate fees for car parking, even if there is a space, I went door-to door on the bus. I was impressed with the skill that the drivers employed at knowing exactly how wide their vehicle was, missing parked cars by centimetres! And there?s a front overhang which needs taking into account. Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Hugh Sheppard via Tech1 Sent: 13 April 2020 12:44 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Stirling Moss Ah! Car-driving relos.... mine to remember was an uncle, at 4ft 11ins tall with a hare-lip that rendered speech difficult, who was an ace London Transport bus driver at testing and deliveries etc. In the post-war years he was nabbed in a double-decker STL for speeding...? 'Get down 'ere' said the cop. When Arthur did, the cop towered over him, then scratched his head: 'You?' 'Driving that at 50 miles per hour through Streatham?' 'Blimey'!! and that was that. Holidays were the worst. Uncle Arthur had no car, but sometimes hired one. With the family aboard, he drove it like a bus, expecting everyone to give way - roundabouts were his speciality...? Hugh -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Waresound at msn.com Mon Apr 13 07:08:02 2020 From: Waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2020 12:08:02 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Still walking In-Reply-To: References: <5e94486d.1c69fb81.489a2.87dd@mx.google.com>, Message-ID: ?And it?s a doddle to use? is the best I can offer. But I hope it?s wrong because sometimes the sound has more appeal than the words. Nick. Sent from my iPad mini 5 > On 13 Apr 2020, at 12:55, Cliff White wrote: > > ?Speaking of adverts, there is one doing the rounds on satellite TV in > which Tommy Walsh (of Ground Force fame) talks about Crocodile Garage > Doors. Towards the end he mentions ?their neat, spacing-saving > design? before closing by praising the ?craftsmanship? (his > catch-phrase of course!). In between, he says something that sounds > like ?And?izzle dozzle the yews?. Wot!! I have tried everything I > can think of to decipher this phrase - putting my ear against the > speaker, lip-reading, transcendental meditation - but still cannot > work out what he can possibly be saying, Anyone up for a challenge!?! > Regards > Cliff > >> On 4/13/20, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: >> Agree with Graeme, it?s grass or reeds, I reckon. >> Ahem! Should have gone to *Specsavers! >> >> *Casting back to favourite, or clever, or moving adverts, I love the >> Specsavers one in the vet?s surgery, where he has his stethoscope over a >> bundle of fur ? panics, and calls for his assistant for the cat >> resuscitation kit, for her to pick up her furry hat, and put it on, giving >> him a filthy look! >> >> Pat >> >> Sent from Mail for Windows 10 >> >> From: Graeme Wall via Tech1 >> Sent: 13 April 2020 11:45 >> To: Nick Ware >> Cc: Tech ops >> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Still walking >> >> You mean the grass whirls on the bank on the right? Does look like a car! >> >> ? >> Graeme Wall >> >> >>> On 13 Apr 2020, at 11:40, Nick Ware via Tech1 >>> wrote: >>> >>> In my picture yesterday of the Winkworth lake I?ve just noticed something >>> weird. I can see a car in it! Can anyone else see it, or is it just me? >>> Nick. >>> >>> Sent from my iPad mini 5 >> >> >> >> -- >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >> From pat.heigham at amps.net Mon Apr 13 07:10:35 2020 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2020 13:10:35 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Still walking In-Reply-To: References: <5e94486d.1c69fb81.489a2.87dd@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <5e9456bb.1c69fb81.9c832.cc75@mx.google.com> Subtitles? Most ads have them, now. Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Cliff White Sent: 13 April 2020 12:55 To: patheigham Cc: Graeme Wall; Nick Ware; Tech ops Subject: Re: [Tech1] Still walking Speaking of adverts, there is one doing the rounds on satellite TV in which Tommy Walsh (of Ground Force fame) talks about Crocodile Garage Doors. Towards the end he mentions ?their neat, spacing-saving design? before closing by praising the ?craftsmanship? (his catch-phrase of course!). In between, he says something that sounds like ?And?izzle dozzle the yews?. Wot!! I have tried everything I can think of to decipher this phrase - putting my ear against the speaker, lip-reading, transcendental meditation - but still cannot work out what he can possibly be saying, Anyone up for a challenge!?! Regards Cliff -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: Face mask!.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 24014 bytes Desc: not available URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Mon Apr 13 07:32:25 2020 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2020 13:32:25 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Different topic In-Reply-To: <622EE9D9F2424AD5A3EC884432BCAEB2@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> References: <9C0FA2C2-212F-4EBA-B5C5-013A4B78B522@me.com><2060935484.7560631.1586693841833@mail.yahoo.com> <3ce1b3f1-1563-b6e7-01e9-9014526ba47c@btinternet.com> <622EE9D9F2424AD5A3EC884432BCAEB2@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> Message-ID: <5e945bda.1c69fb81.da483.4c8d@mx.google.com> My memory of Dave Hawthorn was that he was innovative in setting up inter-boom talkback. When we got a stalk reverse T/B mic to speak to the SS in the gallery, he cross-plugged it in some way, so the boom ops between us could work out the dialogue coverage on a multi-boom set. He also came up with an antidote to presenters who fiddled with the BK6 mics (a dynamic) by plugging it to the SS talkback mic from the desk, using it as a miniature loudspeaker, then saying in a Goon Bluebottle voice: ?Nee-hee, Don?t do that!? This was a trick I borrowed for a film set I was booming on. D25 in the cradle, so a spare Nagra on the boom platform and a Sony ECM on me. Racked out the mic to close to the camera operators ear?ole, and asked for a top limit (?Mike, here!?) Complete bewilderment from operator, who thought we had a small loudspeaker in the mic! Effectively, yes, as the moving coil element was working as a l/s. Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 ? ? From: dave.mdv via Tech1 ! I remember it all very well! Including getting the 'Nationwide'? sound? 'coffin on wheels' from stores every Monday and returning it, perfectly packed? by Dave Hawthorn, every Friday evening. Poor old Dave must have had a OCD as he always unpacked it and re-did it to his own satisfaction, he ended up as tele-cine organiser after a medical assessment. -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Back in those days on crew 9, we had to do Dee Time (pity about email, you can't hear me screaming) a simply dire programme, only relieved by the occasional appearance of Spike Milligan. I also remember one show that had guests Michael Caine and Matt Munro, and they simply took over telling jokes and stories concerning one of Michael's films for which Matt sung the title track - cue those genned up kiddies who can supply the title. TeaTeaFN - Tony Sent with [ProtonMail](https://protonmail.com) Secure Email. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From billjenkin67 at gmail.com Mon Apr 13 09:02:23 2020 From: billjenkin67 at gmail.com (Bill Jenkin) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2020 15:02:23 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Ationwid In-Reply-To: <_68dmTMidEx-D3v_9trzXZuPTh0KkR5EaKGbpNvo7zgAn1s2pNiFndR6xklJrXV0cUlwn2E72bbkUCZK-L-laCHNdX3ogPA6l2I0FDiBjOc=@protonmail.com> References: <-As1dKLCs8erJ3RbV-wTS1OldbqtnZd_vTmROpdFW_pVWStw7gCFr1088pWrQRpm3gsRhSLybOWZ3RFoToMH4WYu-G8LZCyzNrprZGuLiRo=@protonmail.com> <_68dmTMidEx-D3v_9trzXZuPTh0KkR5EaKGbpNvo7zgAn1s2pNiFndR6xklJrXV0cUlwn2E72bbkUCZK-L-laCHNdX3ogPA6l2I0FDiBjOc=@protonmail.com> Message-ID: The Italian Job. (The original of course). On Mon, 13 Apr 2020, 14:54 techtone via Tech1, wrote: > Yes Dick, > > I'd totally forgotten about the clock, he handled it just the way the > experts do on Antiques Roadshow, did he also say something about viewers > saying how interesting it looked and querying where they could get one like > it? > > Bring back live telly, by the time I had a little bit of experience I > always hoped something would go wrong on air, but not to me, please! Back > in those days on crew 9, we had to do Dee Time (pity about email, you can't > hear me screaming) a simply dire programme, only relieved by the occasional > appearance of Spike Milligan. I also remember one show that had guests > Michael Caine and Matt Munro, and they simply took over telling jokes and > stories concerning one of Michael's films for which Matt sung the title > track - cue those genned up kiddies who can supply the title. > > TeaTeaFN - Tony > > > Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email. > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From davidvbrunt at gmail.com Mon Apr 13 09:17:27 2020 From: davidvbrunt at gmail.com (David Brunt) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2020 15:17:27 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Ationwid In-Reply-To: <_68dmTMidEx-D3v_9trzXZuPTh0KkR5EaKGbpNvo7zgAn1s2pNiFndR6xklJrXV0cUlwn2E72bbkUCZK-L-laCHNdX3ogPA6l2I0FDiBjOc=@protonmail.com> References: <-As1dKLCs8erJ3RbV-wTS1OldbqtnZd_vTmROpdFW_pVWStw7gCFr1088pWrQRpm3gsRhSLybOWZ3RFoToMH4WYu-G8LZCyzNrprZGuLiRo=@protonmail.com> <_68dmTMidEx-D3v_9trzXZuPTh0KkR5EaKGbpNvo7zgAn1s2pNiFndR6xklJrXV0cUlwn2E72bbkUCZK-L-laCHNdX3ogPA6l2I0FDiBjOc=@protonmail.com> Message-ID: <5ACB4E13C6344256A49544894197C7F5@0023242e4e14> 5th July 1969. With Michael Caine, Matt Monro, Louis D'Amour, Tony Hatch, Jackie Trent, Marmalade. Missing, inevitably. From: techtone via Tech1 Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 2:53 PM Cc: Tech-Ops-chit-chat Subject: Re: [Tech1] Ationwid Yes Dick, I'd totally forgotten about the clock, he handled it just the way the experts do on Antiques Roadshow, did he also say something about viewers saying how interesting it looked and querying where they could get one like it? Bring back live telly, by the time I had a little bit of experience I always hoped something would go wrong on air, but not to me, please! Back in those days on crew 9, we had to do Dee Time (pity about email, you can't hear me screaming) a simply dire programme, only relieved by the occasional appearance of Spike Milligan. I also remember one show that had guests Michael Caine and Matt Munro, and they simply took over telling jokes and stories concerning one of Michael's films for which Matt sung the title track - cue those genned up kiddies who can supply the title. TeaTeaFN - Tony Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Mon Apr 13 09:30:21 2020 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2020 15:30:21 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] The Italian Job In-Reply-To: References: <-As1dKLCs8erJ3RbV-wTS1OldbqtnZd_vTmROpdFW_pVWStw7gCFr1088pWrQRpm3gsRhSLybOWZ3RFoToMH4WYu-G8LZCyzNrprZGuLiRo=@protonmail.com> <_68dmTMidEx-D3v_9trzXZuPTh0KkR5EaKGbpNvo7zgAn1s2pNiFndR6xklJrXV0cUlwn2E72bbkUCZK-L-laCHNdX3ogPA6l2I0FDiBjOc=@protonmail.com> Message-ID: <5e94777e.1c69fb81.1c360.7538@mx.google.com> Exactly ?On Days Like These? There was a horrible story about that film. The Director Peter Collinson wanted one of the Minis to come much closer to camera. The stunt driver told him that he was coming as close, to be safe. Apparently, Collinson deputised his own chauffeur to drive the car. He lost it on gravel, and smashed into one of the cameras, pinning the focus puller against a wall. I worked with that guy, later and saw that his chest was a mass of scars from fourteen operations. All because Collinson didn?t listen to the experts. There?s another story of lack of information: On Octopussy, (007 Bond) Martin Grace, doubling for Moore, had to climb along the outside of a train. In order to squeeze in another take before the light went, the train was backed up further than the original start point, which Martin had not recced, and was not told, apparently. A concrete post wiped him off, with horrendous injuries. At least, Cubby Broccoli had him sorted out at the London Clinic. Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Bill Jenkin via Tech1 Sent: 13 April 2020 15:02 To: Tech-Ops. co. uk email group Subject: Re: [Tech1] Ationwid The Italian Job. (The original of course). On Mon, 13 Apr 2020, 14:54 techtone via Tech1, wrote: Yes Dick, stories concerning one of Michael's films for which Matt sung the title track - cue those genned up kiddies who can supply the title. TeaTeaFN - Tony -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gblockley35 at gmail.com Mon Apr 13 09:39:42 2020 From: gblockley35 at gmail.com (Gordon Blockley) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2020 15:39:42 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Note new email Message-ID: <633C7AB9-2566-422C-AD30-F5FF047E5294@gmail.com> New email. Gblockley35 at gmail.com Sent from my iPad From alex.thomas1 at talktalk.net Mon Apr 13 09:50:29 2020 From: alex.thomas1 at talktalk.net (Alex Thomas) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2020 15:50:29 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Stirling Moss In-Reply-To: <414cbdd5-ed9c-1696-b5eb-6e344297488a@btinternet.com> References: <414cbdd5-ed9c-1696-b5eb-6e344297488a@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <002101d611a2$e00338d0$a009aa70$@talktalk.net> A programme about the Crown Jewels was mounted at the Tower of London but as we were not allowed to touch the real things a high quality paste version was procured as a prop. After the wrap, production asked if anyone was going past TC and could take the ?Crown Jewels? back to the prop store. The Lighting Chargehand, Les Lambert, now sadly no longer with us, volunteered to drop them off but warned us that it would be in the wee small hours of the next morning. The lighting derig having been concluded, Les loaded the jewels into the boot of his car and set off. At about 2 o?clock in the morning he was stopped by the police in Whitehall and questioned. ? What have you got in the boot of your car sir?? ? You?re not going to believe this? said Les. He released the boot lid and the officer saw the ?jewels? The policeman must have thought that he had made the discovery of his career. All was resolved after the policeman had got his composure back. Alex. From: Tech1 On Behalf Of Hugh Sheppard via Tech1 Sent: 13 April 2020 12:45 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Stirling Moss Ah! Car-driving relos.... mine to remember was an uncle, at 4ft 11ins tall with a hare-lip that rendered speech difficult, who was an ace London Transport bus driver at testing and deliveries etc. In the post-war years he was nabbed in a double-decker STL for speeding... 'Get down 'ere' said the cop. When Arthur did, the cop towered over him, then scratched his head: 'You?' 'Driving that at 50 miles per hour through Streatham?' 'Blimey'!! and that was that. Holidays were the worst. Uncle Arthur had no car, but sometimes hired one. With the family aboard, he drove it like a bus, expecting everyone to give way - roundabouts were his speciality... Hugh On 13-Apr-20 10:06 AM, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: ??Who do you think you are, Stirling Moss?? was, perhaps unsurprisingly, pretty much a standard question asked by speed cops. My F-in-L was a Royal Protection cop in Richmond Park for more than ten years, and with an overall speed limit of 20MPH in the park, got to use that phrase regularly. But he was a Gent, because he once told me. ?If I pull somene over and start off with that Stirling Moss quip, they?re probably only going to get a ticking-off.? His other pet saying, if you happened to be a passenger in his (own) car, and someone coming the other way flashed their lights at him, was: ?If you?ve got time to flash your lights at me, you?ve got time to put your foot on your brakes!? A shining example of how not to drive, even in his own car, he behaved as if he had blues-and-twos on all the time. And that?s a policeman with an Advanced driver?s licence! RIP, Reggie B and Stirling Moss. Cheers, Nick. Sent from my iPad mini 5 On 13 Apr 2020, at 03:32, Keith Wicks via Tech1 wrote: ? A similar story to Pat's. Long ago, Stirling lent an old car to a mutual friend. The police stopped her for speeding. During the interrogation, the police officer asked if it was her car. She said it wasn't. "Don't tell me," he said, "I suppose it belongs to Stirling Moss." "Well, actually..." She told me it took a long time to convince him she was serious. But at least she was just given a warning about speeding. KW > On 12 Apr 2020, at 18:49, patheigham via Tech1 > wrote: > > Sad to see the news today that Sir Stirling Moss has passed. > On a shoot at Goodwood Festival of Speed one year, we picked up an interview with the man, and I was able to ask him if a story was true, that on being pulled over for speeding, the officer said in that typically sarcastic way: ? ?oo do you think you are ? Stirling Moss?? > ?Actually, yes!? > It was true. > > Pat > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bernie833 at gmail.com Mon Apr 13 14:53:02 2020 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2020 20:53:02 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Ationwid In-Reply-To: <5ACB4E13C6344256A49544894197C7F5@0023242e4e14> References: <-As1dKLCs8erJ3RbV-wTS1OldbqtnZd_vTmROpdFW_pVWStw7gCFr1088pWrQRpm3gsRhSLybOWZ3RFoToMH4WYu-G8LZCyzNrprZGuLiRo=@protonmail.com> <_68dmTMidEx-D3v_9trzXZuPTh0KkR5EaKGbpNvo7zgAn1s2pNiFndR6xklJrXV0cUlwn2E72bbkUCZK-L-laCHNdX3ogPA6l2I0FDiBjOc=@protonmail.com> <5ACB4E13C6344256A49544894197C7F5@0023242e4e14> Message-ID: Live on Saturday night from Studio G Lime Grove. Len the Lip used to run downstairs from studio E after reading the football results so that he could say "Now here is your host, Siiiimon Deeee". ripped off from some American show intro I believe. I doubt they even thought of recording them. B On 13/04/2020 15:17, David Brunt via Tech1 wrote: > > 5th July 1969. With Michael Caine, Matt Monro, Louis D'Amour, Tony > Hatch, Jackie Trent, Marmalade. > > Missing, inevitably. > *From:* techtone via Tech1 > *Sent:* Monday, April 13, 2020 2:53 PM > *Cc:* Tech-Ops-chit-chat > *Subject:* Re: [Tech1] Ationwid > Yes Dick, > I'd totally forgotten about the clock, he handled it just the way the > experts do on Antiques Roadshow, did he also say something about > viewers saying how interesting it looked and querying where they could > get one like it? > Bring back live telly, by the time I had a little bit of experience I > always hoped something would go wrong on air, but not to me, please! > Back in those days on crew 9, we had to do Dee Time (pity about email, > you can't hear me screaming) a simply dire programme, only relieved by > the occasional appearance of Spike Milligan. I also remember one show > that had guests Michael Caine and Matt Munro, and they simply took > over telling jokes and stories concerning one of Michael's films for > which Matt sung the title track - cue those genned up kiddies who can > supply the title. > TeaTeaFN - Tony > Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Avast logo > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com > > > <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From davidvbrunt at gmail.com Mon Apr 13 15:03:31 2020 From: davidvbrunt at gmail.com (David Brunt) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2020 21:03:31 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Ationwid In-Reply-To: References: <-As1dKLCs8erJ3RbV-wTS1OldbqtnZd_vTmROpdFW_pVWStw7gCFr1088pWrQRpm3gsRhSLybOWZ3RFoToMH4WYu-G8LZCyzNrprZGuLiRo=@protonmail.com><_68dmTMidEx-D3v_9trzXZuPTh0KkR5EaKGbpNvo7zgAn1s2pNiFndR6xklJrXV0cUlwn2E72bbkUCZK-L-laCHNdX3ogPA6l2I0FDiBjOc=@protonmail.com><5ACB4E13C6344256A49544894197C7F5@0023242e4e14> Message-ID: Just two complete editions survive, plus clips from about another dozen. The intro was ripped off from Johnny Carson?s introduction for ?The Tonight Show?. Though Carson wasn?t known for jumping in a sports car with some leggy models for the closing titles. From: Bernard Newnham via Tech1 Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 8:53 PM To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Ationwid Live on Saturday night from Studio G Lime Grove. Len the Lip used to run downstairs from studio E after reading the football results so that he could say "Now here is your host, Siiiimon Deeee". ripped off from some American show intro I believe. I doubt they even thought of recording them. B On 13/04/2020 15:17, David Brunt via Tech1 wrote: 5th July 1969. With Michael Caine, Matt Monro, Louis D'Amour, Tony Hatch, Jackie Trent, Marmalade. Missing, inevitably. From: techtone via Tech1 Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 2:53 PM Cc: Tech-Ops-chit-chat Subject: Re: [Tech1] Ationwid Yes Dick, I'd totally forgotten about the clock, he handled it just the way the experts do on Antiques Roadshow, did he also say something about viewers saying how interesting it looked and querying where they could get one like it? Bring back live telly, by the time I had a little bit of experience I always hoped something would go wrong on air, but not to me, please! Back in those days on crew 9, we had to do Dee Time (pity about email, you can't hear me screaming) a simply dire programme, only relieved by the occasional appearance of Spike Milligan. I also remember one show that had guests Michael Caine and Matt Munro, and they simply took over telling jokes and stories concerning one of Michael's films for which Matt sung the title track - cue those genned up kiddies who can supply the title. 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URL: From bernie833 at gmail.com Mon Apr 13 15:13:15 2020 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2020 21:13:15 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Ationwid In-Reply-To: References: <-As1dKLCs8erJ3RbV-wTS1OldbqtnZd_vTmROpdFW_pVWStw7gCFr1088pWrQRpm3gsRhSLybOWZ3RFoToMH4WYu-G8LZCyzNrprZGuLiRo=@protonmail.com> <_68dmTMidEx-D3v_9trzXZuPTh0KkR5EaKGbpNvo7zgAn1s2pNiFndR6xklJrXV0cUlwn2E72bbkUCZK-L-laCHNdX3ogPA6l2I0FDiBjOc=@protonmail.com> <5ACB4E13C6344256A49544894197C7F5@0023242e4e14> Message-ID: <12eeff6b-89f3-ff6d-e989-dd0952303c53@ntlworld.com> Twenty years on, Simon Dee's daughter Domino Henty-Dodd, was my boss's secretary.? One day the three of us had lunch in the first floor canteen. It was........weird B On 13/04/2020 21:03, David Brunt wrote: > Just two complete editions survive, plus clips from about another dozen. > > The intro was ripped off from Johnny Carson?s introduction for ?The > Tonight Show?.? Though Carson wasn?t known for jumping in a sports car > with some leggy models for the closing titles. > > *From:* Bernard Newnham via Tech1 > *Sent:* Monday, April 13, 2020 8:53 PM > *To:* tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > *Subject:* Re: [Tech1] Ationwid > Live on Saturday night from Studio G Lime Grove. Len the Lip used to > run downstairs from studio E after reading the football results so > that he could say "Now here is your host, Siiiimon Deeee". ripped off > from some American show intro I believe. > > I doubt they even thought of recording them. > > B > > > > On 13/04/2020 15:17, David Brunt via Tech1 wrote: >> >> 5th July 1969. With Michael Caine, Matt Monro, Louis D'Amour, Tony >> Hatch, Jackie Trent, Marmalade. >> >> Missing, inevitably. >> *From:* techtone via Tech1 >> *Sent:* Monday, April 13, 2020 2:53 PM >> *Cc:* Tech-Ops-chit-chat >> *Subject:* Re: [Tech1] Ationwid >> Yes Dick, >> I'd totally forgotten about the clock, he handled it just the way the >> experts do on Antiques Roadshow, did he also say something about >> viewers saying how interesting it looked and querying where they >> could get one like it? >> Bring back live telly, by the time I had a little bit of experience I >> always hoped something would go wrong on air, but not to me, please! >> Back in those days on crew 9, we had to do Dee Time (pity about >> email, you can't hear me screaming) a simply dire programme, only >> relieved by the occasional appearance of Spike Milligan. I also >> remember one show that had guests Michael Caine and Matt Munro, and >> they simply took over telling jokes and stories concerning one of >> Michael's films for which Matt sung the title track - cue those >> genned up kiddies who can supply the title. >> TeaTeaFN - Tony >> Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email. >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Avast logo >> >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >> www.avast.com >> >> >> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bernie833 at gmail.com Mon Apr 13 15:13:44 2020 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2020 21:13:44 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Ationwid In-Reply-To: References: <-As1dKLCs8erJ3RbV-wTS1OldbqtnZd_vTmROpdFW_pVWStw7gCFr1088pWrQRpm3gsRhSLybOWZ3RFoToMH4WYu-G8LZCyzNrprZGuLiRo=@protonmail.com> <_68dmTMidEx-D3v_9trzXZuPTh0KkR5EaKGbpNvo7zgAn1s2pNiFndR6xklJrXV0cUlwn2E72bbkUCZK-L-laCHNdX3ogPA6l2I0FDiBjOc=@protonmail.com> <5ACB4E13C6344256A49544894197C7F5@0023242e4e14> Message-ID: Twenty years on, Simon Dee's daughter Domino Henty-Dodd, was my boss's secretary.? One day the three of us had lunch in the first floor canteen. It was........weird B On 13/04/2020 21:03, David Brunt wrote: > Just two complete editions survive, plus clips from about another dozen. > > The intro was ripped off from Johnny Carson?s introduction for ?The > Tonight Show?.? Though Carson wasn?t known for jumping in a sports car > with some leggy models for the closing titles. > > *From:* Bernard Newnham via Tech1 > *Sent:* Monday, April 13, 2020 8:53 PM > *To:* tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > *Subject:* Re: [Tech1] Ationwid > Live on Saturday night from Studio G Lime Grove. Len the Lip used to > run downstairs from studio E after reading the football results so > that he could say "Now here is your host, Siiiimon Deeee". ripped off > from some American show intro I believe. > > I doubt they even thought of recording them. > > B > > > > On 13/04/2020 15:17, David Brunt via Tech1 wrote: >> >> 5th July 1969. With Michael Caine, Matt Monro, Louis D'Amour, Tony >> Hatch, Jackie Trent, Marmalade. >> >> Missing, inevitably. >> *From:* techtone via Tech1 >> *Sent:* Monday, April 13, 2020 2:53 PM >> *Cc:* Tech-Ops-chit-chat >> *Subject:* Re: [Tech1] Ationwid >> Yes Dick, >> I'd totally forgotten about the clock, he handled it just the way the >> experts do on Antiques Roadshow, did he also say something about >> viewers saying how interesting it looked and querying where they >> could get one like it? >> Bring back live telly, by the time I had a little bit of experience I >> always hoped something would go wrong on air, but not to me, please! >> Back in those days on crew 9, we had to do Dee Time (pity about >> email, you can't hear me screaming) a simply dire programme, only >> relieved by the occasional appearance of Spike Milligan. I also >> remember one show that had guests Michael Caine and Matt Munro, and >> they simply took over telling jokes and stories concerning one of >> Michael's films for which Matt sung the title track - cue those >> genned up kiddies who can supply the title. >> TeaTeaFN - Tony >> Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email. >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Avast logo >> >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >> www.avast.com >> >> >> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: image.png Type: image/png Size: 443873 bytes Desc: not available URL: From mibridge at mac.com Mon Apr 13 17:01:48 2020 From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2020 23:01:48 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Not extremities quiz In-Reply-To: <000a01d61035$a569e520$f03daf60$@theeccles.uk> References: <9c6c8f7d-f4b1-3d8f-0d7f-a30fac95812c@gmail.com> <65a2e113-8e92-0a1e-86e9-a117ef2b39a8@gmail.com> <000a01d61035$a569e520$f03daf60$@theeccles.uk> Message-ID: <6E1DCD53-79BC-4D3E-9EB8-AFEDA3915966@mac.com> And was Barry right in what he was telling you Martin? I note the raised finger in emphasis! Mike G > On 11 Apr 2020, at 20:16, Martin Eccles via Tech1 wrote: > > From mikej at bmanor.co.uk Tue Apr 14 04:21:50 2020 From: mikej at bmanor.co.uk (Mike Jordan) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2020 10:21:50 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Todays joke pic - Reel to reel machine use Message-ID: Posted by an ex-BBC colleague. 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URL: From geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com Tue Apr 14 05:12:50 2020 From: geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com (Geoff Hawkes) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2020 11:12:50 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Buses, was Stirling Moss In-Reply-To: <5e9455e9.1c69fb81.e5a89.4520@mx.google.com> References: <414cbdd5-ed9c-1696-b5eb-6e344297488a@btinternet.com> <5e9455e9.1c69fb81.e5a89.4520@mx.google.com> Message-ID: I use the buses in Oxford occasionally when I have need to go there and am amazed at the drivers' skill at manoeuvring through traffic, particularly the way they can pull out from behind another bus which they have stopped very close up to. I assume it's something to do with where the front wheels are placed and that they must have a really tight turning circle, Geoff > On 13 Apr 2020, at 13:07, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > > Having had need to attend my local hospital for scans and follow-ups, > and not wishing to pay the extortionate fees for car parking, even if there is a space, I went door-to door on the bus. I was impressed with the skill that the drivers employed at knowing exactly how wide their vehicle was, missing parked cars by centimetres! > And there?s a front overhang which needs taking into account. > > Pat > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > From: Hugh Sheppard via Tech1 > Sent: 13 April 2020 12:44 > To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > Subject: Re: [Tech1] Stirling Moss > > Ah! Car-driving relos.... mine to remember was an uncle, at 4ft 11ins tall with a hare-lip that rendered speech difficult, who was an ace London Transport bus driver at testing and deliveries etc. In the post-war years he was nabbed in a double-decker STL for speeding... 'Get down 'ere' said the cop. When Arthur did, the cop towered over him, then scratched his head: 'You?' 'Driving that at 50 miles per hour through Streatham?' 'Blimey'!! and that was that. Holidays were the worst. Uncle Arthur had no car, but sometimes hired one. With the family aboard, he drove it like a bus, expecting everyone to give way - roundabouts were his speciality... > > Hugh > > > > > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alanaudio at me.com Tue Apr 14 05:33:39 2020 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2020 11:33:39 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Ationwid In-Reply-To: <12eeff6b-89f3-ff6d-e989-dd0952303c53@ntlworld.com> References: <-As1dKLCs8erJ3RbV-wTS1OldbqtnZd_vTmROpdFW_pVWStw7gCFr1088pWrQRpm3gsRhSLybOWZ3RFoToMH4WYu-G8LZCyzNrprZGuLiRo=@protonmail.com> <_68dmTMidEx-D3v_9trzXZuPTh0KkR5EaKGbpNvo7zgAn1s2pNiFndR6xklJrXV0cUlwn2E72bbkUCZK-L-laCHNdX3ogPA6l2I0FDiBjOc=@protonmail.com> <5ACB4E13C6344256A49544894197C7F5@0023242e4e14> <12eeff6b-89f3-ff6d-e989-dd0952303c53@ntlworld.com> Message-ID: <38336F1C-C49B-4F24-A326-2C335FE370FC@me.com> Nationwide is probably more famous for it's numerous cock ups than for anything else. I was privileged to be involved in one of the most epic television cock ups - even by Nationwide standards. If I were a stand up comedian, I could doubtless do a twenty minute routine solely about the Nationwide Yacht Race, but will only bore you with a small snippet of it. In 1976 Nationwide decided to have a race with big yachts ( about 70 ft or so ). It would start at the Royal Yacht Squadron at Cowes on the Isle of Wight and the finish was to be at Plymouth, three days later. When we arrived at Cowes ( by hovercraft of course ), the wind was almost non existent, it was amazingly calm. Bob Marsland was directing and was asked what the contingency plans were if the calm winds persisted. He responded by dismissing such concerns, explaining that it was fortunate that the calm weather was already with us because it's never calm for more than a few hours, so by six o clock tonight, the wind should have picked up nicely. As the day went on, such breeze as there was completely vanished. Beaufort Scale 0 is defined as "Wind rises vertically". Looking out from Cowes toward Southampton in the late afternoon, we could see a tall industrial chimney. The smoke was indeed rising vertically to a great height, precisely in line with the chimney and then spreading out in a disk shaped layer somewhere near the stratosphere, looking like a colossal drawing pin. I've never seen such a spectacular manifestation of calm weather before or since. The boats could scarcely move, but the race was scheduled to start during the six o clock Nationwide transmission after an entire week of build-ups, so it would most definitely go ahead as planned. The race was going to be started by firing a series of guns at intervals. The Royal Yacht Squadron has a number of rather splendid small cannons which are fired electrically. It's important that each gun is fired at the correct time, so if one fails to fire, they have a standby gun with a mechanical trigger operated by a rope. Broadcasting people will doubtless approve of having proper back ups like this, so with such attention to detail, what could possibly go wrong? ( Clue - Nationwide ) The method of starting the race is that a gun is fired ten minutes prior to the start, then another at minus five and the actual start is signalled by a gun together with a flag being unfurled simultaneously. The tactical challenge for the skippers is to take their cues from the first two guns, anticipate the staring gun and cross the start line at maximum speed as soon as possible after the start gun. If you cross prematurely you must perform a 360 degree turn and recross the line. Obviously in the absence of wind, the start was not likely to be the much anticipated TV spectacle as the boats could scarcely move. In those days I was assisting and Ian Leiper was the sound supervisor. I was chatting to the guy responsible for the guns and asked him how loud they were. He very obligingly offered to "fire one for level". Ian was delighted to accept the offer, knobs were twiddled and the gun was duly fired. However nobody thought to warn the skippers and they assumed it was the ten minute gun, even though it was about ten minutes too early. They all had been issued with BBC walkie talkies and all started calling in at once, which meant that none of the messages could get through. Eventually it was possible to explain to them that the gun they heard was not the minus ten gun and the next one fired would be the minus ten and sure enough it was fired at the appropriate time. The boats started to manoeuvre at a glacial pace in anticipation of the minus five gun and then the actual start. It was now time to hoist a balled-up Union flag, in readiness to be broken to mark the start. It was run up the flagpole, but the rope used to break the flag couldn't follow it's usual route to the starter because the roof of the Royal Yacht Squadron had acquired scaffolding camera platforms, making a direct route impossible. The flag rigger had a long length of rope in his hand and was unsuccessfully trying to get it through the open window. A very helpful floor manager ( whose name has been omitted out of kindness ) noticed his predicament and obligingly leaned out of the window so that he could catch the rope if it were thrown towards him. The rope was thrown, but a little bit short, so the FM lunged to catch it and did a brilliant catch. At some point in every story like this, the word "unfortunately" tends to be used so I won't make you wait any longer. Unfortunately ? in his efforts to lunge for the flag-breaking rope, he tripped over the rope which triggered the mechanically fired gun, causing it to fire. The bang from that gun caused him to jump back in shock. Unfortunately ( yes that word again ), he was holding tight onto the flag rope and inadvertently caused the flag to break open before drooping lifelessly from the top of the flagpole. Once again all the skipper's walkie talkies simultaneously burst into life and it was initially impossible for any messages to get through in either direction. Eventually the skippers were informed that the last gun and flag were accidental and the minus five gun would be fired in a few moments. The five minute gun duly went off as planned. The starting gun and flag then happened without incident. Unfortunately the yachts were also sitting in the water without incident as they were still becalmed. One yacht had drifted over the start line prematurely and would need to do a 360, which took about twenty minutes to complete. The first boat to legitimately cross the start line managed to crawl over it with others following sedately. By the time we had de-rigged and were hovering back to the mainland, the yachts were still visible on the horizon. Alan Taylor On 13 Apr 2020, at 13 Apr . 21:13, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: > Twenty years on, Simon Dee's daughter Domino Henty-Dodd, was my boss's secretary. One day the three of us had lunch in the first floor canteen. > > It was........weird > > B > > > > On 13/04/2020 21:03, David Brunt wrote: >> Just two complete editions survive, plus clips from about another dozen. >> >> The intro was ripped off from Johnny Carson?s introduction for ?The Tonight Show?. Though Carson wasn?t known for jumping in a sports car with some leggy models for the closing titles. >> >> >> From: Bernard Newnham via Tech1 >> Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 8:53 PM >> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Ationwid >> >> Live on Saturday night from Studio G Lime Grove. Len the Lip used to run downstairs from studio E after reading the football results so that he could say "Now here is your host, Siiiimon Deeee". ripped off from some American show intro I believe. >> >> I doubt they even thought of recording them. >> >> B >> >> >> >> On 13/04/2020 15:17, David Brunt via Tech1 wrote: >>> >>> 5th July 1969. With Michael Caine, Matt Monro, Louis D'Amour, Tony Hatch, Jackie Trent, Marmalade. >>> >>> Missing, inevitably. >>> >>> >>> From: techtone via Tech1 >>> Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 2:53 PM >>> Cc: Tech-Ops-chit-chat >>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Ationwid >>> >>> Yes Dick, >>> >>> I'd totally forgotten about the clock, he handled it just the way the experts do on Antiques Roadshow, did he also say something about viewers saying how interesting it looked and querying where they could get one like it? >>> >>> Bring back live telly, by the time I had a little bit of experience I always hoped something would go wrong on air, but not to me, please! Back in those days on crew 9, we had to do Dee Time (pity about email, you can't hear me screaming) a simply dire programme, only relieved by the occasional appearance of Spike Milligan. I also remember one show that had guests Michael Caine and Matt Munro, and they simply took over telling jokes and stories concerning one of Michael's films for which Matt sung the title track - cue those genned up kiddies who can supply the title. >>> >>> TeaTeaFN - Tony >>> >>> >>> Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email. >>> >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>> >>> >>> >>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >>> www.avast.com >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From david.jasma at sky.com Tue Apr 14 05:34:28 2020 From: david.jasma at sky.com (David Buckley) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2020 10:34:28 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Tech1] Silverstone Grand Prix References: <1046543559.390192.1586860468469.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1046543559.390192.1586860468469@mail.yahoo.com> Further to Alan Taylor's email about the Silverstone crash, the OB was directed by Rick Tilling. A little after that event, I was at a get together of interested people for the making of a film of the story of 'Beowolf', organised by the director, who was a film editor at TFS Ealing. I was talking about crash, and a voice behind me said 'I was the OB director'. It was Rick, who went on to say that the pile-up couldn't have happened in a better place - right in front of a camera! Rick was at the get together as his wife had offered to do the make-up on the film. The film was made - a very pleasant two weeks in the Lake District. 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I was privileged to be involved in one of the most epic television cock ups - even by Nationwide standards. If I were a stand up comedian, I could doubtless do a twenty minute routine solely about the Nationwide Yacht Race, but will only bore you with a small snippet of it. > > In 1976 Nationwide decided to have a race with big yachts ( about 70 ft or so ). It would start at the Royal Yacht Squadron at Cowes on the Isle of Wight and the finish was to be at Plymouth, three days later. When we arrived at Cowes ( by hovercraft of course ), the wind was almost non existent, it was amazingly calm. Bob Marsland was directing and was asked what the contingency plans were if the calm winds persisted. He responded by dismissing such concerns, explaining that it was fortunate that the calm weather was already with us because it's never calm for more than a few hours, so by six o clock tonight, the wind should have picked up nicely. > > As the day went on, such breeze as there was completely vanished. Beaufort Scale 0 is defined as "Wind rises vertically". Looking out from Cowes toward Southampton in the late afternoon, we could see a tall industrial chimney. The smoke was indeed rising vertically to a great height, precisely in line with the chimney and then spreading out in a disk shaped layer somewhere near the stratosphere, looking like a colossal drawing pin. I've never seen such a spectacular manifestation of calm weather before or since. The boats could scarcely move, but the race was scheduled to start during the six o clock Nationwide transmission after an entire week of build-ups, so it would most definitely go ahead as planned. > > The race was going to be started by firing a series of guns at intervals. The Royal Yacht Squadron has a number of rather splendid small cannons which are fired electrically. It's important that each gun is fired at the correct time, so if one fails to fire, they have a standby gun with a mechanical trigger operated by a rope. Broadcasting people will doubtless approve of having proper back ups like this, so with such attention to detail, what could possibly go wrong? ( Clue - Nationwide ) > > The method of starting the race is that a gun is fired ten minutes prior to the start, then another at minus five and the actual start is signalled by a gun together with a flag being unfurled simultaneously. The tactical challenge for the skippers is to take their cues from the first two guns, anticipate the staring gun and cross the start line at maximum speed as soon as possible after the start gun. If you cross prematurely you must perform a 360 degree turn and recross the line. Obviously in the absence of wind, the start was not likely to be the much anticipated TV spectacle as the boats could scarcely move. > > In those days I was assisting and Ian Leiper was the sound supervisor. I was chatting to the guy responsible for the guns and asked him how loud they were. He very obligingly offered to "fire one for level". Ian was delighted to accept the offer, knobs were twiddled and the gun was duly fired. However nobody thought to warn the skippers and they assumed it was the ten minute gun, even though it was about ten minutes too early. They all had been issued with BBC walkie talkies and all started calling in at once, which meant that none of the messages could get through. Eventually it was possible to explain to them that the gun they heard was not the minus ten gun and the next one fired would be the minus ten and sure enough it was fired at the appropriate time. The boats started to manoeuvre at a glacial pace in anticipation of the minus five gun and then the actual start. > > It was now time to hoist a balled-up Union flag, in readiness to be broken to mark the start. It was run up the flagpole, but the rope used to break the flag couldn't follow it's usual route to the starter because the roof of the Royal Yacht Squadron had acquired scaffolding camera platforms, making a direct route impossible. The flag rigger had a long length of rope in his hand and was unsuccessfully trying to get it through the open window. A very helpful floor manager ( whose name has been omitted out of kindness ) noticed his predicament and obligingly leaned out of the window so that he could catch the rope if it were thrown towards him. The rope was thrown, but a little bit short, so the FM lunged to catch it and did a brilliant catch. > > At some point in every story like this, the word "unfortunately" tends to be used so I won't make you wait any longer. Unfortunately ? in his efforts to lunge for the flag-breaking rope, he tripped over the rope which triggered the mechanically fired gun, causing it to fire. The bang from that gun caused him to jump back in shock. Unfortunately ( yes that word again ), he was holding tight onto the flag rope and inadvertently caused the flag to break open before drooping lifelessly from the top of the flagpole. > > Once again all the skipper's walkie talkies simultaneously burst into life and it was initially impossible for any messages to get through in either direction. Eventually the skippers were informed that the last gun and flag were accidental and the minus five gun would be fired in a few moments. The five minute gun duly went off as planned. The starting gun and flag then happened without incident. Unfortunately the yachts were also sitting in the water without incident as they were still becalmed. > > One yacht had drifted over the start line prematurely and would need to do a 360, which took about twenty minutes to complete. The first boat to legitimately cross the start line managed to crawl over it with others following sedately. By the time we had de-rigged and were hovering back to the mainland, the yachts were still visible on the horizon. > > Alan Taylor > > > > > > > On 13 Apr 2020, at 13 Apr . 21:13, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 > wrote: > >> Twenty years on, Simon Dee's daughter Domino Henty-Dodd, was my boss's secretary. One day the three of us had lunch in the first floor canteen. >> >> It was........weird >> >> B >> >> >> >> On 13/04/2020 21:03, David Brunt wrote: >>> Just two complete editions survive, plus clips from about another dozen. >>> >>> The intro was ripped off from Johnny Carson?s introduction for ?The Tonight Show?. Though Carson wasn?t known for jumping in a sports car with some leggy models for the closing titles. >>> >>> >>> From: Bernard Newnham via Tech1 >>> Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 8:53 PM >>> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Ationwid >>> >>> Live on Saturday night from Studio G Lime Grove. Len the Lip used to run downstairs from studio E after reading the football results so that he could say "Now here is your host, Siiiimon Deeee". ripped off from some American show intro I believe. >>> >>> I doubt they even thought of recording them. >>> >>> B >>> >>> >>> >>> On 13/04/2020 15:17, David Brunt via Tech1 wrote: >>>> >>>> 5th July 1969. With Michael Caine, Matt Monro, Louis D'Amour, Tony Hatch, Jackie Trent, Marmalade. >>>> >>>> Missing, inevitably. >>>> >>>> >>>> From: techtone via Tech1 >>>> Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 2:53 PM >>>> Cc: Tech-Ops-chit-chat >>>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Ationwid >>>> >>>> Yes Dick, >>>> >>>> I'd totally forgotten about the clock, he handled it just the way the experts do on Antiques Roadshow, did he also say something about viewers saying how interesting it looked and querying where they could get one like it? >>>> >>>> Bring back live telly, by the time I had a little bit of experience I always hoped something would go wrong on air, but not to me, please! Back in those days on crew 9, we had to do Dee Time (pity about email, you can't hear me screaming) a simply dire programme, only relieved by the occasional appearance of Spike Milligan. I also remember one show that had guests Michael Caine and Matt Munro, and they simply took over telling jokes and stories concerning one of Michael's films for which Matt sung the title track - cue those genned up kiddies who can supply the title. >>>> >>>> TeaTeaFN - Tony >>>> >>>> >>>> Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >>>> www.avast.com >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net Tue Apr 14 05:55:40 2020 From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2020 11:55:40 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Buses, was Stirling Moss In-Reply-To: References: <414cbdd5-ed9c-1696-b5eb-6e344297488a@btinternet.com><5e9455e9.1c69fb81.e5a89.4520@mx.google.com> Message-ID: One particular day out on our 2016 Cornish holiday based at Veryan, we drove to Gorran Haven, parked there and walked the coast path to Mevagissey. At the end of a great day we caught a bus back to the Gorran Haven car park. The skill and speed of the lady driver along those narrow Cornish lanes was so impressive I felt obliged to compliment her at journey?s end. For most of the journey we were the only passengers, sitting at the front watching the arm-twirling and being amazed by the inch perfect negotiation avoiding collisions. Different skill set to the metropolitan bus driver but I really enjoyed it. Dave Newbitt. From: Geoff Hawkes via Tech1 Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2020 11:12 AM To: patheigham Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Buses, was Stirling Moss I use the buses in Oxford occasionally when I have need to go there and am amazed at the drivers' skill at manoeuvring through traffic, particularly the way they can pull out from behind another bus which they have stopped very close up to. I assume it's something to do with where the front wheels are placed and that they must have a really tight turning circle, Geoff On 13 Apr 2020, at 13:07, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: Having had need to attend my local hospital for scans and follow-ups, and not wishing to pay the extortionate fees for car parking, even if there is a space, I went door-to door on the bus. I was impressed with the skill that the drivers employed at knowing exactly how wide their vehicle was, missing parked cars by centimetres! And there?s a front overhang which needs taking into account. Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Hugh Sheppard via Tech1 Sent: 13 April 2020 12:44 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Stirling Moss Ah! Car-driving relos.... mine to remember was an uncle, at 4ft 11ins tall with a hare-lip that rendered speech difficult, who was an ace London Transport bus driver at testing and deliveries etc. In the post-war years he was nabbed in a double-decker STL for speeding... 'Get down 'ere' said the cop. When Arthur did, the cop towered over him, then scratched his head: 'You?' 'Driving that at 50 miles per hour through Streatham?' 'Blimey'!! and that was that. Holidays were the worst. Uncle Arthur had no car, but sometimes hired one. With the family aboard, he drove it like a bus, expecting everyone to give way - roundabouts were his speciality... 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Bill J From: Tech1 [mailto:tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk] On Behalf Of Alan Taylor via Tech1 Sent: 14 April 2020 11:34 To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat Subject: Re: [Tech1] Ationwid Nationwide is probably more famous for it's numerous cock ups than for anything else. I was privileged to be involved in one of the most epic television cock ups - even by Nationwide standards. If I were a stand up comedian, I could doubtless do a twenty minute routine solely about the Nationwide Yacht Race, but will only bore you with a small snippet of it. In 1976 Nationwide decided to have a race with big yachts ( about 70 ft or so ). It would start at the Royal Yacht Squadron at Cowes on the Isle of Wight and the finish was to be at Plymouth, three days later. When we arrived at Cowes ( by hovercraft of course ), the wind was almost non existent, it was amazingly calm. Bob Marsland was directing and was asked what the contingency plans were if the calm winds persisted. He responded by dismissing such concerns, explaining that it was fortunate that the calm weather was already with us because it's never calm for more than a few hours, so by six o clock tonight, the wind should have picked up nicely. As the day went on, such breeze as there was completely vanished. Beaufort Scale 0 is defined as "Wind rises vertically". Looking out from Cowes toward Southampton in the late afternoon, we could see a tall industrial chimney. The smoke was indeed rising vertically to a great height, precisely in line with the chimney and then spreading out in a disk shaped layer somewhere near the stratosphere, looking like a colossal drawing pin. I've never seen such a spectacular manifestation of calm weather before or since. The boats could scarcely move, but the race was scheduled to start during the six o clock Nationwide transmission after an entire week of build-ups, so it would most definitely go ahead as planned. The race was going to be started by firing a series of guns at intervals. The Royal Yacht Squadron has a number of rather splendid small cannons which are fired electrically. It's important that each gun is fired at the correct time, so if one fails to fire, they have a standby gun with a mechanical trigger operated by a rope. Broadcasting people will doubtless approve of having proper back ups like this, so with such attention to detail, what could possibly go wrong? ( Clue - Nationwide ) The method of starting the race is that a gun is fired ten minutes prior to the start, then another at minus five and the actual start is signalled by a gun together with a flag being unfurled simultaneously. The tactical challenge for the skippers is to take their cues from the first two guns, anticipate the staring gun and cross the start line at maximum speed as soon as possible after the start gun. If you cross prematurely you must perform a 360 degree turn and recross the line. Obviously in the absence of wind, the start was not likely to be the much anticipated TV spectacle as the boats could scarcely move. In those days I was assisting and Ian Leiper was the sound supervisor. I was chatting to the guy responsible for the guns and asked him how loud they were. He very obligingly offered to "fire one for level". Ian was delighted to accept the offer, knobs were twiddled and the gun was duly fired. However nobody thought to warn the skippers and they assumed it was the ten minute gun, even though it was about ten minutes too early. They all had been issued with BBC walkie talkies and all started calling in at once, which meant that none of the messages could get through. Eventually it was possible to explain to them that the gun they heard was not the minus ten gun and the next one fired would be the minus ten and sure enough it was fired at the appropriate time. The boats started to manoeuvre at a glacial pace in anticipation of the minus five gun and then the actual start. It was now time to hoist a balled-up Union flag, in readiness to be broken to mark the start. It was run up the flagpole, but the rope used to break the flag couldn't follow it's usual route to the starter because the roof of the Royal Yacht Squadron had acquired scaffolding camera platforms, making a direct route impossible. The flag rigger had a long length of rope in his hand and was unsuccessfully trying to get it through the open window. A very helpful floor manager ( whose name has been omitted out of kindness ) noticed his predicament and obligingly leaned out of the window so that he could catch the rope if it were thrown towards him. The rope was thrown, but a little bit short, so the FM lunged to catch it and did a brilliant catch. At some point in every story like this, the word "unfortunately" tends to be used so I won't make you wait any longer. Unfortunately . in his efforts to lunge for the flag-breaking rope, he tripped over the rope which triggered the mechanically fired gun, causing it to fire. The bang from that gun caused him to jump back in shock. Unfortunately ( yes that word again ), he was holding tight onto the flag rope and inadvertently caused the flag to break open before drooping lifelessly from the top of the flagpole. Once again all the skipper's walkie talkies simultaneously burst into life and it was initially impossible for any messages to get through in either direction. Eventually the skippers were informed that the last gun and flag were accidental and the minus five gun would be fired in a few moments. The five minute gun duly went off as planned. The starting gun and flag then happened without incident. Unfortunately the yachts were also sitting in the water without incident as they were still becalmed. One yacht had drifted over the start line prematurely and would need to do a 360, which took about twenty minutes to complete. The first boat to legitimately cross the start line managed to crawl over it with others following sedately. By the time we had de-rigged and were hovering back to the mainland, the yachts were still visible on the horizon. Alan Taylor On 13 Apr 2020, at 13 Apr . 21:13, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: Twenty years on, Simon Dee's daughter Domino Henty-Dodd, was my boss's secretary. One day the three of us had lunch in the first floor canteen. It was........weird B On 13/04/2020 21:03, David Brunt wrote: Just two complete editions survive, plus clips from about another dozen. The intro was ripped off from Johnny Carson's introduction for "The Tonight Show". Though Carson wasn't known for jumping in a sports car with some leggy models for the closing titles. From: Bernard Newnham via Tech1 Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 8:53 PM To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Ationwid Live on Saturday night from Studio G Lime Grove. Len the Lip used to run downstairs from studio E after reading the football results so that he could say "Now here is your host, Siiiimon Deeee". ripped off from some American show intro I believe. I doubt they even thought of recording them. B On 13/04/2020 15:17, David Brunt via Tech1 wrote: 5th July 1969. With Michael Caine, Matt Monro, Louis D'Amour, Tony Hatch, Jackie Trent, Marmalade. Missing, inevitably. From: techtone via Tech1 Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 2:53 PM Cc: Tech-Ops-chit-chat Subject: Re: [Tech1] Ationwid Yes Dick, I'd totally forgotten about the clock, he handled it just the way the experts do on Antiques Roadshow, did he also say something about viewers saying how interesting it looked and querying where they could get one like it? Bring back live telly, by the time I had a little bit of experience I always hoped something would go wrong on air, but not to me, please! Back in those days on crew 9, we had to do Dee Time (pity about email, you can't hear me screaming) a simply dire programme, only relieved by the occasional appearance of Spike Milligan. I also remember one show that had guests Michael Caine and Matt Munro, and they simply took over telling jokes and stories concerning one of Michael's films for which Matt sung the title track - cue those genned up kiddies who can supply the title. 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URL: From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net Tue Apr 14 06:09:42 2020 From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2020 12:09:42 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Ationwid In-Reply-To: <013901d6124c$55c8b640$015a22c0$@gmail.com> References: <-As1dKLCs8erJ3RbV-wTS1OldbqtnZd_vTmROpdFW_pVWStw7gCFr1088pWrQRpm3gsRhSLybOWZ3RFoToMH4WYu-G8LZCyzNrprZGuLiRo=@protonmail.com> <_68dmTMidEx-D3v_9trzXZuPTh0KkR5EaKGbpNvo7zgAn1s2pNiFndR6xklJrXV0cUlwn2E72bbkUCZK-L-laCHNdX3ogPA6l2I0FDiBjOc=@protonmail.com> <5ACB4E13C6344256A49544894197C7F5@0023242e4e14> <12eeff6b-89f3-ff6d-e989-dd0952303c53@ntlworld.com><38336F1C-C49B-4F24-A326-2C335FE370FC@me.com> <013901d6124c$55c8b640$015a22c0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Agreed Bill ? it rivals Gerard Hoffnung at the Oxford Union, the ?unfortunately ? insertions are sublime in both Alan?s anecdote and Hoffnung?s ?Bricklayer?s Lament?. Dave Newbitt. From: Bill Jenkin via Tech1 Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2020 12:03 PM To: co. uk email group Subject: Re: [Tech1] Ationwid I have to say Alan that I think that is the best example of a really good cock up that I think I have ever read about and splendidly recounted. Bill J From: Tech1 [mailto:tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk] On Behalf Of Alan Taylor via Tech1 Sent: 14 April 2020 11:34 To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat Subject: Re: [Tech1] Ationwid Nationwide is probably more famous for it's numerous cock ups than for anything else. I was privileged to be involved in one of the most epic television cock ups - even by Nationwide standards. If I were a stand up comedian, I could doubtless do a twenty minute routine solely about the Nationwide Yacht Race, but will only bore you with a small snippet of it. In 1976 Nationwide decided to have a race with big yachts ( about 70 ft or so ). It would start at the Royal Yacht Squadron at Cowes on the Isle of Wight and the finish was to be at Plymouth, three days later. When we arrived at Cowes ( by hovercraft of course ), the wind was almost non existent, it was amazingly calm. Bob Marsland was directing and was asked what the contingency plans were if the calm winds persisted. He responded by dismissing such concerns, explaining that it was fortunate that the calm weather was already with us because it's never calm for more than a few hours, so by six o clock tonight, the wind should have picked up nicely. As the day went on, such breeze as there was completely vanished. Beaufort Scale 0 is defined as "Wind rises vertically". Looking out from Cowes toward Southampton in the late afternoon, we could see a tall industrial chimney. The smoke was indeed rising vertically to a great height, precisely in line with the chimney and then spreading out in a disk shaped layer somewhere near the stratosphere, looking like a colossal drawing pin. I've never seen such a spectacular manifestation of calm weather before or since. The boats could scarcely move, but the race was scheduled to start during the six o clock Nationwide transmission after an entire week of build-ups, so it would most definitely go ahead as planned. The race was going to be started by firing a series of guns at intervals. The Royal Yacht Squadron has a number of rather splendid small cannons which are fired electrically. It's important that each gun is fired at the correct time, so if one fails to fire, they have a standby gun with a mechanical trigger operated by a rope. Broadcasting people will doubtless approve of having proper back ups like this, so with such attention to detail, what could possibly go wrong? ( Clue - Nationwide ) The method of starting the race is that a gun is fired ten minutes prior to the start, then another at minus five and the actual start is signalled by a gun together with a flag being unfurled simultaneously. The tactical challenge for the skippers is to take their cues from the first two guns, anticipate the staring gun and cross the start line at maximum speed as soon as possible after the start gun. If you cross prematurely you must perform a 360 degree turn and recross the line. Obviously in the absence of wind, the start was not likely to be the much anticipated TV spectacle as the boats could scarcely move. In those days I was assisting and Ian Leiper was the sound supervisor. I was chatting to the guy responsible for the guns and asked him how loud they were. He very obligingly offered to "fire one for level". Ian was delighted to accept the offer, knobs were twiddled and the gun was duly fired. However nobody thought to warn the skippers and they assumed it was the ten minute gun, even though it was about ten minutes too early. They all had been issued with BBC walkie talkies and all started calling in at once, which meant that none of the messages could get through. Eventually it was possible to explain to them that the gun they heard was not the minus ten gun and the next one fired would be the minus ten and sure enough it was fired at the appropriate time. The boats started to manoeuvre at a glacial pace in anticipation of the minus five gun and then the actual start. It was now time to hoist a balled-up Union flag, in readiness to be broken to mark the start. It was run up the flagpole, but the rope used to break the flag couldn't follow it's usual route to the starter because the roof of the Royal Yacht Squadron had acquired scaffolding camera platforms, making a direct route impossible. The flag rigger had a long length of rope in his hand and was unsuccessfully trying to get it through the open window. A very helpful floor manager ( whose name has been omitted out of kindness ) noticed his predicament and obligingly leaned out of the window so that he could catch the rope if it were thrown towards him. The rope was thrown, but a little bit short, so the FM lunged to catch it and did a brilliant catch. At some point in every story like this, the word "unfortunately" tends to be used so I won't make you wait any longer. Unfortunately ? in his efforts to lunge for the flag-breaking rope, he tripped over the rope which triggered the mechanically fired gun, causing it to fire. The bang from that gun caused him to jump back in shock. Unfortunately ( yes that word again ), he was holding tight onto the flag rope and inadvertently caused the flag to break open before drooping lifelessly from the top of the flagpole. Once again all the skipper's walkie talkies simultaneously burst into life and it was initially impossible for any messages to get through in either direction. Eventually the skippers were informed that the last gun and flag were accidental and the minus five gun would be fired in a few moments. The five minute gun duly went off as planned. The starting gun and flag then happened without incident. Unfortunately the yachts were also sitting in the water without incident as they were still becalmed. One yacht had drifted over the start line prematurely and would need to do a 360, which took about twenty minutes to complete. The first boat to legitimately cross the start line managed to crawl over it with others following sedately. By the time we had de-rigged and were hovering back to the mainland, the yachts were still visible on the horizon. Alan Taylor On 13 Apr 2020, at 13 Apr . 21:13, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: Twenty years on, Simon Dee's daughter Domino Henty-Dodd, was my boss's secretary. One day the three of us had lunch in the first floor canteen. It was........weird B On 13/04/2020 21:03, David Brunt wrote: Just two complete editions survive, plus clips from about another dozen. The intro was ripped off from Johnny Carson?s introduction for ?The Tonight Show?. Though Carson wasn?t known for jumping in a sports car with some leggy models for the closing titles. From: Bernard Newnham via Tech1 Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 8:53 PM To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Ationwid Live on Saturday night from Studio G Lime Grove. Len the Lip used to run downstairs from studio E after reading the football results so that he could say "Now here is your host, Siiiimon Deeee". ripped off from some American show intro I believe. I doubt they even thought of recording them. B On 13/04/2020 15:17, David Brunt via Tech1 wrote: 5th July 1969. With Michael Caine, Matt Monro, Louis D'Amour, Tony Hatch, Jackie Trent, Marmalade. Missing, inevitably. From: techtone via Tech1 Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 2:53 PM Cc: Tech-Ops-chit-chat Subject: Re: [Tech1] Ationwid Yes Dick, I'd totally forgotten about the clock, he handled it just the way the experts do on Antiques Roadshow, did he also say something about viewers saying how interesting it looked and querying where they could get one like it? Bring back live telly, by the time I had a little bit of experience I always hoped something would go wrong on air, but not to me, please! Back in those days on crew 9, we had to do Dee Time (pity about email, you can't hear me screaming) a simply dire programme, only relieved by the occasional appearance of Spike Milligan. I also remember one show that had guests Michael Caine and Matt Munro, and they simply took over telling jokes and stories concerning one of Michael's films for which Matt sung the title track - cue those genned up kiddies who can supply the title. 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URL: From bernie833 at gmail.com Tue Apr 14 06:34:34 2020 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2020 12:34:34 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Day 35 Message-ID: <5ab32cd2-3207-f05e-12b3-e706672fa767@gmail.com> Dear Diary Weather fine, temperature cool.? Didn't really do anything - except....... Actually, here's something I never dreamed of doing.? My wife's church, like every church, synagogue, temple, mosque, whatever in the world, has gone online. Parishioners are being asked to record stuff.? Her church services now have a tendency to consist of up the nose phone video, but they know her history, so we couldn't let the side down. So out came the 25 year old lightweight tripod, the 10 year old camera, a mega-cheap radio mic bought for U3A demos, and my newish laptop running the free version of Autocue. It took, as ever, nearly as much time trying various ways to squish down the resulting file to something sensible as all the rest of the job, but I got 500Mb down to 85Mb without appearing to lose anything. Artiste checks the rushes The first day I've done something properly useful in ages, though I am now quite experienced in video conferencing in various formats.? Zoom is still the least worst, and I might take out an ?11.99 monthly subscription for a while, to get rid of the 40 minute limit. We now know that you can just go right back in for another 40 minutes without hassle.? Jitsi is free and open source, but it has a few bugs with browsers, and Google Meetings has a bad screen layout.? So Zoom it is. B -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I should have loved to have been there the first time it was given. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOGfg1B3ZMw This is the full address, the Bricklayer story starts 8:35 in. Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: David Newbitt via Tech1 Sent: 14 April 2020 12:10 To: Bill Jenkin; co. uk email group Subject: Re: [Tech1] Ationwid Agreed Bill ? it rivals Gerard Hoffnung at the Oxford Union, the ?unfortunately ? insertions are sublime in both Alan?s anecdote and Hoffnung?s ?Bricklayer?s Lament?. ? Dave Newbitt. ? -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From waresound at msn.com Tue Apr 14 09:04:55 2020 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2020 14:04:55 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Todays joke pic - Reel to reel machine use In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: ?We always do a paper edit first to save time? Or: ?Sound rolling!? Nick. Sent from my iPad mini 5 On 14 Apr 2020, at 10:22, Mike Jordan via Tech1 wrote: ? Posted by an ex-BBC colleague. Comments include ?It cleans the heads at the same time? and ?Nah it?s just a crap tape? and ?Need to adjust that tension? Mike [cid:1D0D9D35-F604-47BA-AB1E-4910732A5DC4]-- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Toilet paper recorder.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 113447 bytes Desc: Toilet paper recorder.jpg URL: From bernie833 at gmail.com Tue Apr 14 09:46:09 2020 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2020 15:46:09 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Todays joke pic - Reel to reel machine use In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Ah - paper edits - that brings back long lost memories.? I used to do loads of those, and then along came desktop editing. Suddenly you could chuck a few things onto a timeline and see how they fitted.? So incredibly different to a 2" edit in VT1 and 2, or wherever. B On 14/04/2020 15:04, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: > ?We always do a paper edit first to save time? > > Or: ?Sound rolling!? > Nick. > > Sent from my iPad mini 5 > >> On 14 Apr 2020, at 10:22, Mike Jordan via Tech1 >> wrote: >> >> ? >> Posted by an ex-BBC colleague. >> Comments include ?It cleans the heads at the same time? >> and ?Nah it?s just a crap tape? >> and ?Need to adjust that tension? >> Mike >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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B On 14/04/2020 15:04, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: > ?We always do a paper edit first to save time? > > Or: ?Sound rolling!? > Nick. > > Sent from my iPad mini 5 > >> On 14 Apr 2020, at 10:22, Mike Jordan via Tech1 >> wrote: >> >> ? >> Posted by an ex-BBC colleague. >> Comments include ?It cleans the heads at the same time? >> and ?Nah it?s just a crap tape? >> and ?Need to adjust that tension? >> Mike >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Toilet paper recorder.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 113447 bytes Desc: not available URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Tue Apr 14 10:23:40 2020 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2020 16:23:40 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Todays joke pic - Reel to reel machine use In-Reply-To: <0ae4ef7c-d7f4-f251-75c1-9eca7a67fcc0@gmail.com> References: <0ae4ef7c-d7f4-f251-75c1-9eca7a67fcc0@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5e95d57c.1c69fb81.5b049.0430@mx.google.com> Indeed, Bernie, I remember spending an interesting evening in one of the Ampex suites, with the then top 2? editor ? can?t remember who ? trying to make something sensible of the BBC pantomime one year. From the TVT, it was so bad with many retakes, and Norman Wisdom was pleading with the audience not to get up and leave. He wasn?t very good and I?ve never had much respect for him after that. I was matching the sound edits on a TR90 to make the sound somewhere near OK, after the picture edit was done ? both cut and splice in those days. The TR90?s were pretty stable as to playback speed ? the Nagra syncpluse system was years away, then! But we set everything up with the TIM bleeps. Can?t remember if it was then all dubbed to a second Ampex or if the mended sound was laid to the original video tape. Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Bernard Newnham via Tech1 Sent: 14 April 2020 15:46 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Todays joke pic - Reel to reel machine use So incredibly different to a 2" edit in VT1 and 2, or wherever. B -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mikej at bmanor.co.uk Tue Apr 14 11:50:36 2020 From: mikej at bmanor.co.uk (Mike Jordan) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2020 17:50:36 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Ationwid In-Reply-To: <38336F1C-C49B-4F24-A326-2C335FE370FC@me.com> References: <-As1dKLCs8erJ3RbV-wTS1OldbqtnZd_vTmROpdFW_pVWStw7gCFr1088pWrQRpm3gsRhSLybOWZ3RFoToMH4WYu-G8LZCyzNrprZGuLiRo=@protonmail.com><_68dmTMidEx-D3v_9trzXZuPTh0KkR5EaKGbpNvo7zgAn1s2pNiFndR6xklJrXV0cUlwn2E72bbkUCZK-L-laCHNdX3ogPA6l2I0FDiBjOc=@protonmail.com><5ACB4E13C6344256A49544894197C7F5@0023242e4e14><12eeff6b-89f3-ff6d-e989-dd0952303c53@ntlworld.com> <38336F1C-C49B-4F24-A326-2C335FE370FC@me.com> Message-ID: You mean this Nationwide Yacht Race? Nice healthy crew. We rigged a 100ft mast on Isle of Wight to receive signals only to be told didn?t have permission to park it in the road or abstract power from nearby lamp post with cable across the footpath! Made it to Plymouth though. Mike From: Alan Taylor via Tech1 Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2020 11:33 AM To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat Subject: Re: [Tech1] Ationwid Nationwide is probably more famous for it's numerous cock ups than for anything else. I was privileged to be involved in one of the most epic television cock ups - even by Nationwide standards. If I were a stand up comedian, I could doubtless do a twenty minute routine solely about the Nationwide Yacht Race, but will only bore you with a small snippet of it. In 1976 Nationwide decided to have a race with big yachts ( about 70 ft or so ). It would start at the Royal Yacht Squadron at Cowes on the Isle of Wight and the finish was to be at Plymouth, three days later. When we arrived at Cowes ( by hovercraft of course ), the wind was almost non existent, it was amazingly calm. Bob Marsland was directing and was asked what the contingency plans were if the calm winds persisted. 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It's bad enough watching a crappy act once, but two or three times is beyond the pale, especially if it's one of those balancing acts where they nearly fall and miraculously recover - every time at exactly the same point in their performance. The audience dwindled to such an extent that the gaps were becoming too obvious in the back of the shot, so the director had the genius idea to get the floor manager to move the audience around so that the areas behind the cameras were empty, while the seats in shot would be full. Unsurprisingly, the vast majority of the audience felt that once on their feet, they might as well walk over to the exit and find something more interesting to do for the rest of the evening. The net result was that the gaps in the back of shot were even bigger than they were before the reshuffle and there was nobody else left to fill the empty seats. Another story is totally unrelated, but sprung to mind this afternoon when I was walking near my home and saw a tractor splash through a huge puddle. I did a show from the Army tank proving grounds at Bovington, Dorset. It was an ENG shoot and the cameraman went into little boy mode, being excited to do the show because he'd never seen tanks close up at high speed. There was a point on the course where the tank was obviously going to splash through a water filled hole. The water was about six feet deep and with the sloping approach and exit, it was about the length of an Olympic swimming pool and about 12 feet wide. The cameraman spotted a possible camera angle on slightly low ground ahead of the exit and reckoned that he would get an exciting low angle shot of the tank emerging from the water dip. I pointed out that his chosen spot was low lying and only a little way off the expected course of the tank. He said that he chose the spot for exactly that reason. I mentioned the Greek bloke Archimedes and that the cameraman should imagine a tank entering that water splash at about 25mph and then imagine where that tank sized body of water might end up. He recognised the problem and we hastily relocated to higher ground alongside the water splash where we would still get a good shot, but have a fighting chance of staying dry. Just as the tank was heading around the course, a stills photographer decided to occupy the very spot that we had earlier vacated. There was far too much noise to shout to him by then. Moments later the tank splashed into the water. The entire contents of that pool made a beeline for that snapper at tsunami velocity. He was bowled over with considerable force and ended up about twenty yards away. Talking the the squaddies afterwards, it's a regular occurrence and if they spot somebody there, they all make sure to watch the fun. Alan Taylor On 14 Apr 2020, at 14 Apr . 16:23, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > Indeed, Bernie, I remember spending an interesting evening in one of the Ampex suites, with the then top 2? editor ? can?t remember who ? trying to make something sensible of the BBC pantomime one year. From the TVT, it was so bad with many retakes, and Norman Wisdom was pleading with the audience not to get up and leave. He wasn?t very good and I?ve never had much respect for him after that. I was matching the sound edits on a TR90 to make the sound somewhere near OK, after the picture edit was done ? both cut and splice in those days. The TR90?s were pretty stable as to playback speed ? the Nagra syncpluse system was years away, then! But we set everything up with the TIM bleeps. > Can?t remember if it was then all dubbed to a second Ampex or if the mended sound was laid to the original video tape. > Pat > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > From: Bernard Newnham via Tech1 > Sent: 14 April 2020 15:46 > To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > Subject: Re: [Tech1] Todays joke pic - Reel to reel machine use > > So incredibly different to a 2" edit in VT1 and 2, or wherever. > > B > > > > > > > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alanaudio at me.com Tue Apr 14 12:26:47 2020 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2020 18:26:47 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Ationwid In-Reply-To: References: <-As1dKLCs8erJ3RbV-wTS1OldbqtnZd_vTmROpdFW_pVWStw7gCFr1088pWrQRpm3gsRhSLybOWZ3RFoToMH4WYu-G8LZCyzNrprZGuLiRo=@protonmail.com><_68dmTMidEx-D3v_9trzXZuPTh0KkR5EaKGbpNvo7zgAn1s2pNiFndR6xklJrXV0cUlwn2E72bbkUCZK-L-laCHNdX3ogPA6l2I0FDiBjOc=@protonmail.com><5ACB4E13C6344256A49544894197C7F5@0023242e4e14><12eeff6b-89f3-ff6d-e989-dd0952303c53@ntlworld.com> <38336F1C-C49B-4F24-A326-2C335FE370FC@me.com> Message-ID: Yes, that was the one. Lovely pics, I'm just intrigued how anybody was supposed to steer the boat with all that scaffolding over the wheel? I assumed that sneakily pinching a bit of power from a convenient lamp post was a technique employed by those cowboys over on the BBC News OB trucks and not something that the law abiding gentlemen at Kendal Avenue did. Ian Leiper and I enjoyed a leisurely drive from Cowes to Plymouth, taking in the Seaton tramway and the Exeter maritime museum as we went. We had to start early and drive like maniacs to get the planned museum visits in and still reach Plymouth in time for the rig. Afterwards on the way home, we visited the Fleet Air Arm museum and I took Ian to my favourite place for a cream tea in a thatched cottage hidden away in a village near Mere. Life on the road was sometimes rather pleasant. For those fortunate enough to have known Ian in real life, I'm sure that you would agree that he was very much a character and had something of a rough and ready look to him, together with a down to earth manner of talking. When he called at my house to pick me up for the journey, my two year old son was fascinated by Ian and asked my wife "So what sort of man is that then?". Alan Taylor On 14 Apr 2020, at 14 Apr . 17:50, Mike Jordan wrote: > You mean this Nationwide Yacht Race? > > Nice healthy crew. > We rigged a 100ft mast on Isle of Wight to receive signals only to be told didn?t have permission to park it in the road or abstract power from nearby lamp post with cable across the footpath! > > Made it to Plymouth though. > > Mike > > From: Alan Taylor via Tech1 > Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2020 11:33 AM > To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat > Subject: Re: [Tech1] Ationwid > > Nationwide is probably more famous for it's numerous cock ups than for anything else. I was privileged to be involved in one of the most epic television cock ups - even by Nationwide standards. If I were a stand up comedian, I could doubtless do a twenty minute routine solely about the Nationwide Yacht Race, but will only bore you with a small snippet of it. > > In 1976 Nationwide decided to have a race with big yachts ( about 70 ft or so ). It would start at the Royal Yacht Squadron at Cowes on the Isle of Wight and the finish was to be at Plymouth, three days later. When we arrived at Cowes ( by hovercraft of course ), the wind was almost non existent, it was amazingly calm. Bob Marsland was directing and was asked what the contingency plans were if the calm winds persisted. He responded by dismissing such concerns, explaining that it was fortunate that the calm weather was already with us because it's never calm for more than a few hours, so by six o clock tonight, the wind should have picked up nicely. >

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One day he brought in an Edison wax cylinder player, on which he?d mounted a stereo cartridge, for vertical compliance to track the ?hill & dale? grooves. The studio maintenance TA?s had soldered the ball from a biro to the shank of the cartridge and plugged it into the sound desk. Sam Hutchings came round on his daily visit and spotted the device. ?Why?s that there?? ?Because you won?t give me another two turntables!? Ian retorted! And on STO Course 21 This finished up near Christmas 1966. Instead of the obligatory programme, mounted for the benefit of the tutors to see what we had learned! we rebelled and put on a pantomime in the dance hall of the Evesham Club. Two very talented guys wrote a script, loosely based on Dick Whittington and his Cat. Dick was depicted as a bit of an ingenue, and the cat was his sophisticated guide to London. Eric Wallis was the street-wise cat, in evening dress, ears poking out of a top hat, and my Mum made him a black velvet tail which he carried nonchalantly over his arm, who guided a rather dim Dick Into the vagaries of a big city. Ian Leiper played a Sultan, in baggy pantaloons! All the old traditional gags were reconstituted, with one involving cries of ?beware the cockroaches under your chairs?, after slinging handfuls of in-shell peanuts around the floor. Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Alan Taylor via Tech1 Sent: 14 April 2020 18:27 To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat Subject: Re: [Tech1] Ationwid Ian Leiper and I enjoyed a leisurely drive from Cowes to Plymouth, taking in the Seaton tramway and the Exeter maritime museum as we went. ? For those fortunate enough to have known Ian in real life, I'm sure that you would agree that he was very much a character, my two year old son was fascinated by Ian and asked my wife "So what sort of man is that then?". Alan Taylor -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rogerbunce at btinternet.com Tue Apr 14 13:53:15 2020 From: rogerbunce at btinternet.com (ROGER BUNCE) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2020 18:53:15 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Tech1] Gothic by Gaslight References: <1337530759.1035516.1586890395427.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1337530759.1035516.1586890395427@mail.yahoo.com> Time for chapter 7 of the ultimate gothic horror story. The cast of sinister suspects is now complete(-ish). Time to look for a different type of clue as we move into Whodunnit mode. And, unless you really haven't been paying attention, you've probably worked out which particular mystery our heroes will be trying to solve. luv, Rog. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Michael would explain all this while pointing to the appropriate components and it was all factually correct. He explained that although it?s normally done that way, when they erected the tent at this location, there was an industrial dispute and the canvas was left on the ground overnight before being raised. He went on to explain how a typical square yard of grass is home to about two dozen spiders and the canvas covered a thousand square feet. When the sun rose in the morning, those spiders were attracted to the warmth of the canvas and were inadvertently hoisted up into the air where some of them might still remain. He went on to explain that spiders have a very acute sense of hearing and are distressed by loud noises. It would be unfortunate if any spiders dropped down during the show, so just in case any are still up there, it would be prudent to give an immense round of applause to shake them out. As the audience cheered, the crew were stood behind the audience seating and threw handfuls of dried rice into the air, freaking out many of the audience when it landed on their hair. Alan Taylor > On 14 Apr 2020, at 19:32, patheigham wrote: > > ? > Ah! The splendid Ian Leiper. > In the 60?s TC1 Sound gallery only had one twin turntable unit. > Ian, on grams, continually complained to the sound office that there should be 4 turntables, as per the other TVC studios. > One day he brought in an Edison wax cylinder player, on which he?d mounted a stereo cartridge, for vertical compliance to track the ?hill & dale? grooves. The studio maintenance TA?s had soldered the ball from a biro to the shank of the cartridge and plugged it into the sound desk. Sam Hutchings came round on his daily visit and spotted the device. > ?Why?s that there?? > ?Because you won?t give me another two turntables!? Ian retorted! > > And on STO Course 21 > This finished up near Christmas 1966. Instead of the obligatory programme, mounted for the benefit of the tutors to see what we had learned! we rebelled and put on a pantomime in the dance hall of the Evesham Club. > Two very talented guys wrote a script, loosely based on Dick Whittington and his Cat. Dick was depicted as a bit of an ingenue, and the cat was his sophisticated guide to London. > Eric Wallis was the street-wise cat, in evening dress, ears poking out of a top hat, and my Mum made him a black velvet tail which he carried nonchalantly over his arm, who guided a rather dim Dick Into the vagaries of a big city. > Ian Leiper played a Sultan, in baggy pantaloons! > All the old traditional gags were reconstituted, with one involving cries of ?beware the cockroaches under your chairs?, after slinging handfuls of in-shell peanuts around the floor. > > Pat > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > From: Alan Taylor via Tech1 > Sent: 14 April 2020 18:27 > To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat > Subject: Re: [Tech1] Ationwid > > Ian Leiper and I enjoyed a leisurely drive from Cowes to Plymouth, taking in the Seaton tramway and the Exeter maritime museum as we went. > For those fortunate enough to have known Ian in real life, I'm sure that you would agree that he was very much a character, my two year old son was fascinated by Ian and asked my wife "So what sort of man is that then?". > > Alan Taylor > > > > > > > > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From davelebreton at btinternet.com Tue Apr 14 15:33:45 2020 From: davelebreton at btinternet.com (davelebreton at btinternet.com) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2020 21:33:45 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Ationwid In-Reply-To: References: <-As1dKLCs8erJ3RbV-wTS1OldbqtnZd_vTmROpdFW_pVWStw7gCFr1088pWrQRpm3gsRhSLybOWZ3RFoToMH4WYu-G8LZCyzNrprZGuLiRo=@protonmail.com><_68dmTMidEx-D3v_9trzXZuPTh0KkR5EaKGbpNvo7zgAn1s2pNiFndR6xklJrXV0cUlwn2E72bbkUCZK-L-laCHNdX3ogPA6l2I0FDiBjOc=@protonmail.com><5ACB4E13C6344256A49544894197C7F5@0023242e4e14><12eeff6b-89f3-ff6d-e989-dd0952303c53@ntlworld.com><38336F1C-C49B-4F24-A326-2C335FE370FC@me.com> Message-ID: <28E59B7479E548A39512C3CF3247FEC9@DavidPC> I forwarded Alan?s highly entertaining story to the group of ex-Tel OB people who, in normal times, I meet with at the Black Horse on a Thursday lunchtime. I received one ?I was there too? from Phil Thomas, who says he was on one of the boats with a Bosch Fernseh KCN. The event was particularly memorable as he needed medical attention because someone shut a hatch on his head. Toward the end of his life, Ian Leiper joined us at the Black Horse, arriving in his Triumph Herald, complete with a rather noisy dog. He was certainly a character. I am the outsider in this group, having been a member of P&ID (and whatever it was called later), but around 1970 and the Type 2 CMCRs, I spent a great deal of time at Kendal Avenue testing and commissioning all 30 EMI 2001s. Dave Le Breton From: Alan Taylor via Tech1 Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2020 6:26 PM To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat Subject: Re: [Tech1] Ationwid Yes, that was the one. Lovely pics, I'm just intrigued how anybody was supposed to steer the boat with all that scaffolding over the wheel? I assumed that sneakily pinching a bit of power from a convenient lamp post was a technique employed by those cowboys over on the BBC News OB trucks and not something that the law abiding gentlemen at Kendal Avenue did. Ian Leiper and I enjoyed a leisurely drive from Cowes to Plymouth, taking in the Seaton tramway and the Exeter maritime museum as we went. We had to start early and drive like maniacs to get the planned museum visits in and still reach Plymouth in time for the rig. Afterwards on the way home, we visited the Fleet Air Arm museum and I took Ian to my favourite place for a cream tea in a thatched cottage hidden away in a village near Mere. Life on the road was sometimes rather pleasant. For those fortunate enough to have known Ian in real life, I'm sure that you would agree that he was very much a character and had something of a rough and ready look to him, together with a down to earth manner of talking. When he called at my house to pick me up for the journey, my two year old son was fascinated by Ian and asked my wife "So what sort of man is that then?". Alan Taylor On 14 Apr 2020, at 14 Apr . 17:50, Mike Jordan wrote: You mean this Nationwide Yacht Race? Nice healthy crew. We rigged a 100ft mast on Isle of Wight to receive signals only to be told didn?t have permission to park it in the road or abstract power from nearby lamp post with cable across the footpath! Made it to Plymouth though. Mike From: Alan Taylor via Tech1 Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2020 11:33 AM To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat Subject: Re: [Tech1] Ationwid Nationwide is probably more famous for it's numerous cock ups than for anything else. I was privileged to be involved in one of the most epic television cock ups - even by Nationwide standards. If I were a stand up comedian, I could doubtless do a twenty minute routine solely about the Nationwide Yacht Race, but will only bore you with a small snippet of it. In 1976 Nationwide decided to have a race with big yachts ( about 70 ft or so ). It would start at the Royal Yacht Squadron at Cowes on the Isle of Wight and the finish was to be at Plymouth, three days later. When we arrived at Cowes ( by hovercraft of course ), the wind was almost non existent, it was amazingly calm. Bob Marsland was directing and was asked what the contingency plans were if the calm winds persisted. He responded by dismissing such concerns, explaining that it was fortunate that the calm weather was already with us because it's never calm for more than a few hours, so by six o clock tonight, the wind should have picked up nicely.

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Mike G From barrybonner119 at btinternet.com Wed Apr 15 05:48:19 2020 From: barrybonner119 at btinternet.com (Barry Bonner) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2020 11:48:19 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Baby boomers In-Reply-To: <1982C70E-5516-476A-91DB-55A97DE87C6F@mac.com> References: <1982C70E-5516-476A-91DB-55A97DE87C6F@mac.com> Message-ID: Shhhhh! Don?t tell everyone!! Barry. On 15 Apr 2020, at 09:03, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: > It has occurred to me that in the current crisis situation, we baby boomers are once again at an advantage compared to later and earlier generations. > > We are past normal retirement age, so do not need to risk contact with fellow employees, but, assuming the pension funds are sufficiently robust, we still have income, mostly on the basis of relatively generous final salary schemes. And we are not old enough to be in care homes, which seem like risky places to be, but we are old enough to qualify for home deliveries from the likes of Sainsbury?s. > > What did we do to deserve such privileged status? > > With apologies to recipients who fall outside the bracket. > > Mike G > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bernie833 at gmail.com Wed Apr 15 06:05:36 2020 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2020 12:05:36 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Zooming Message-ID: <419b3c1e-0fb3-8e03-d8b1-b22e8bd608e5@gmail.com> I've been using Zoom quite a lot now, enough that I feel I should give something back, so I've set up an account - for a few months anyway. As well as actually paying people for providing the service, it means that there are no meeting time limits . I seem to be part of an expanding number of chatty groups, and my U3A Video Production group have voted to make virtual meetings weekly, rather more than we would normally do. So - if anyone feels like a Zoom meeting again, let me know and we'll have a virtual Disorganised. B -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From paul at pgtmedia.co.uk Wed Apr 15 06:05:40 2020 From: paul at pgtmedia.co.uk (paul at pgtmedia.co.uk) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2020 12:05:40 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Baby boomers In-Reply-To: References: <1982C70E-5516-476A-91DB-55A97DE87C6F@mac.com> Message-ID: <001901d61315$ccdd1450$66973cf0$@pgtmedia.co.uk> Thiers always one that spoils it by speaking out.. From: Tech1 On Behalf Of Barry Bonner via Tech1 Sent: 15 April 2020 11:48 To: Mike Giles Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Baby boomers Shhhhh! Don't tell everyone!! Barry. On 15 Apr 2020, at 09:03, Mike Giles via Tech1 > wrote: It has occurred to me that in the current crisis situation, we baby boomers are once again at an advantage compared to later and earlier generations. We are past normal retirement age, so do not need to risk contact with fellow employees, but, assuming the pension funds are sufficiently robust, we still have income, mostly on the basis of relatively generous final salary schemes. And we are not old enough to be in care homes, which seem like risky places to be, but we are old enough to qualify for home deliveries from the likes of Sainsbury's. What did we do to deserve such privileged status? With apologies to recipients who fall outside the bracket. Mike G -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ne at eccles.me Wed Apr 15 07:15:13 2020 From: ne at eccles.me (Neil Eccles (ne@eccles.me)) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2020 13:15:13 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Zooming In-Reply-To: <419b3c1e-0fb3-8e03-d8b1-b22e8bd608e5@gmail.com> References: <419b3c1e-0fb3-8e03-d8b1-b22e8bd608e5@gmail.com> Message-ID: <6A9215FC-BF7B-4BE8-B442-A0EEF7D6ED7D@eccles.me> I?m using Zoom too Bernie - works well and I am using it to produce the Talking Newspaper (for the blind) with which I am involved. The audio isn?t great, and it isn?t helped by rubbish equipment and people being pathetic about mic placement, but it works. An interesting one without video is called Cleanfeed.net They claim to send uncompressed and unprocessed sound, so you can do a DTL interview in good quality. Haven?t used it yet. Kindest Neil > On 15 Apr 2020, at 12:05, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: > > I've been using Zoom quite a lot now, enough that I feel I should give something back, so I've set up an account - for a few months anyway. As well as actually paying people for providing the service, it means that there are no meeting time limits . > > I seem to be part of an expanding number of chatty groups, and my U3A Video Production group have voted to make virtual meetings weekly, rather more than we would normally do. > > So - if anyone feels like a Zoom meeting again, let me know and we'll have a virtual Disorganised. > > B > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rogerbunce at btinternet.com Wed Apr 15 10:45:31 2020 From: rogerbunce at btinternet.com (ROGER BUNCE) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2020 15:45:31 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Tech1] Baby boomers In-Reply-To: <001901d61315$ccdd1450$66973cf0$@pgtmedia.co.uk> References: <1982C70E-5516-476A-91DB-55A97DE87C6F@mac.com> <001901d61315$ccdd1450$66973cf0$@pgtmedia.co.uk> Message-ID: <319670896.1969809.1586965531644@mail.yahoo.com> Yeah, Right, Lucky! Bear in mind we Baby Boomers have already had the Asian Flu, the Hong Kong Flu, the Mao Flu, and other pandemics, which culled our numbers considerably, not to mention the Great Smog of '52, which killed thousands, or the Great Storm of '53. Then there was all the routine stuff like Measles, Mumps, German Measles, Whooping Cough, Chicken Pox, Scarlet Fever, Diphtheria, etc. that were compulsory, before they invented vaccines for such things. Then there was the general lifestyle, living in asbestos-walled prefabs, on a diet of bread and dripping, with rationing and no bananas, and coal smoke belching out of chimneys. And those wonderful adventure playgrounds, that we called 'bombsites', because they were, where we unearthed all sorts of interesting bits of ironmongery. Or splashing about at the seaside, amongst the tank-traps and rusting barbed wire, or getting your bike wheel stuck in the tramlines, or all those other childhood adventures which nearly prevented us becoming adults. And now we're a major 'At Risk' group for the latest virus. So, you are entirely correct. We are Lucky - to have survived this long! luv, Rog. On Wednesday, 15 April 2020, 12:06:09 BST, paul--- via Tech1 wrote: Thiers always one that spoils it by speaking out?? ? From: Tech1 On Behalf Of Barry Bonner via Tech1 Sent: 15 April 2020 11:48 To: Mike Giles Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Baby boomers ? Shhhhh! Don?t tell everyone!! ? ????????? Barry. ? ? On 15 Apr 2020, at 09:03, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: It has occurred to me that in the current crisis situation, we baby boomers are once again at an advantage compared to later and earlier generations. We are past normal retirement age, so do not need to risk contact with fellow employees, but, assuming the pension funds are sufficiently robust, we still have income, mostly on the basis of relatively generous final salary schemes. And we are not old enough to be in care homes, which seem like risky places to be, but we are old enough to qualify for home deliveries from the likes of Sainsbury?s. What did we do to deserve such privileged status? With apologies to recipients who fall outside the bracket. Mike G -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk ? -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From keithwicksuk at gmail.com Wed Apr 15 10:53:12 2020 From: keithwicksuk at gmail.com (Keith Wicks) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2020 16:53:12 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Baby boomers In-Reply-To: <319670896.1969809.1586965531644@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1982C70E-5516-476A-91DB-55A97DE87C6F@mac.com> <001901d61315$ccdd1450$66973cf0$@pgtmedia.co.uk> <319670896.1969809.1586965531644@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Bread *and* dripping? On the same day? You were one of the lucky ones. KW On Wed, 15 Apr 2020 at 16:47, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 wrote: > Yeah, Right, Lucky! > > Bear in mind we Baby Boomers have already had the Asian Flu, the Hong Kong > Flu, the Mao Flu, and other pandemics, which culled our numbers > considerably, not to mention the Great Smog of '52, which killed thousands, > or the Great Storm of '53. Then there was all the routine stuff like > Measles, Mumps, German Measles, Whooping Cough, Chicken Pox, Scarlet Fever, > Diphtheria, etc. that were compulsory, before they invented vaccines for > such things. Then there was the general lifestyle, living in > asbestos-walled prefabs, on a diet of bread and dripping, with rationing > and no bananas, and coal smoke belching out of chimneys. And those > wonderful adventure playgrounds, that we called 'bombsites', because they > were, where we unearthed all sorts of interesting bits of ironmongery. Or > splashing about at the seaside, amongst the tank-traps and rusting barbed > wire, or getting your bike wheel stuck in the tramlines, or all those other > childhood adventures which nearly prevented us becoming adults. > > And now we're a major 'At Risk' group for the latest virus. > > So, you are entirely correct. We are Lucky - to have survived this long! > > luv, Rog. > > > On Wednesday, 15 April 2020, 12:06:09 BST, paul--- via Tech1 < > tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote: > > > Thiers always one that spoils it by speaking out?? > > > > *From:* Tech1 *On Behalf Of *Barry Bonner > via Tech1 > *Sent:* 15 April 2020 11:48 > *To:* Mike Giles > *Cc:* tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > *Subject:* Re: [Tech1] Baby boomers > > > > Shhhhh! Don?t tell everyone!! > > > > *Barry.* > > > > > > On 15 Apr 2020, at 09:03, Mike Giles via Tech1 > wrote: > > > > It has occurred to me that in the current crisis situation, we baby > boomers are once again at an advantage compared to later and earlier > generations. > > We are past normal retirement age, so do not need to risk contact with > fellow employees, but, assuming the pension funds are sufficiently robust, > we still have income, mostly on the basis of relatively generous final > salary schemes. And we are not old enough to be in care homes, which seem > like risky places to be, but we are old enough to qualify for home > deliveries from the likes of Sainsbury?s. > > What did we do to deserve such privileged status? > > With apologies to recipients who fall outside the bracket. > > Mike G > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From barrybonner119 at btinternet.com Wed Apr 15 11:27:17 2020 From: barrybonner119 at btinternet.com (Barry Bonner) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2020 17:27:17 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Baby boomers In-Reply-To: <319670896.1969809.1586965531644@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1982C70E-5516-476A-91DB-55A97DE87C6F@mac.com> <001901d61315$ccdd1450$66973cf0$@pgtmedia.co.uk> <319670896.1969809.1586965531644@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <0FC6292D-1419-4954-8417-879A8AE64AA6@btinternet.com> I feel left out of your list Rog, I caught Polio when I was 3 and spent some time in an ?Iron Lung? followed by a burst appendix 9 months later!! Barry. On 15 Apr 2020, at 16:45, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 wrote: > Yeah, Right, Lucky! > > Bear in mind we Baby Boomers have already had the Asian Flu, the Hong Kong Flu, the Mao Flu, and other pandemics, which culled our numbers considerably, not to mention the Great Smog of '52, which killed thousands, or the Great Storm of '53. Then there was all the routine stuff like Measles, Mumps, German Measles, Whooping Cough, Chicken Pox, Scarlet Fever, Diphtheria, etc. that were compulsory, before they invented vaccines for such things. Then there was the general lifestyle, living in asbestos-walled prefabs, on a diet of bread and dripping, with rationing and no bananas, and coal smoke belching out of chimneys. And those wonderful adventure playgrounds, that we called 'bombsites', because they were, where we unearthed all sorts of interesting bits of ironmongery. Or splashing about at the seaside, amongst the tank-traps and rusting barbed wire, or getting your bike wheel stuck in the tramlines, or all those other childhood adventures which nearly prevented us becoming adults. > > And now we're a major 'At Risk' group for the latest virus. > > So, you are entirely correct. We are Lucky - to have survived this long! > > luv, Rog. > > > On Wednesday, 15 April 2020, 12:06:09 BST, paul--- via Tech1 wrote: > > > Thiers always one that spoils it by speaking out?? > > > From: Tech1 On Behalf Of Barry Bonner via Tech1 > Sent: 15 April 2020 11:48 > To: Mike Giles > Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > Subject: Re: [Tech1] Baby boomers > > > Shhhhh! Don?t tell everyone!! > > > Barry. > > > > On 15 Apr 2020, at 09:03, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: > > > > > It has occurred to me that in the current crisis situation, we baby boomers are once again at an advantage compared to later and earlier generations. > > We are past normal retirement age, so do not need to risk contact with fellow employees, but, assuming the pension funds are sufficiently robust, we still have income, mostly on the basis of relatively generous final salary schemes. And we are not old enough to be in care homes, which seem like risky places to be, but we are old enough to qualify for home deliveries from the likes of Sainsbury?s. > > What did we do to deserve such privileged status? > > With apologies to recipients who fall outside the bracket. > > Mike G > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rogerbunce at btinternet.com Wed Apr 15 12:38:54 2020 From: rogerbunce at btinternet.com (ROGER BUNCE) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2020 17:38:54 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Tech1] Baby boomers In-Reply-To: <0FC6292D-1419-4954-8417-879A8AE64AA6@btinternet.com> References: <1982C70E-5516-476A-91DB-55A97DE87C6F@mac.com> <001901d61315$ccdd1450$66973cf0$@pgtmedia.co.uk> <319670896.1969809.1586965531644@mail.yahoo.com> <0FC6292D-1419-4954-8417-879A8AE64AA6@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <895247506.2098191.1586972334783@mail.yahoo.com> Well, I had pneumonia when I was 4.But, as usual, you've upstaged me, Bonner. Iron Lung indeed - that's just showing off!I forgot to mention that we all had to have our tonsils and adenoids removed - in my case it went wrong and required a 2nd bout of surgery. At least they fed us on ice cream. luv, Rog. On Wednesday, 15 April 2020, 17:27:19 BST, Barry Bonner wrote: I feel left out of your list Rog, I caught Polio when I was 3 and spent some time in an ?Iron Lung? followed by a burst appendix 9 months later!!? Barry. On 15 Apr 2020, at 16:45, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 wrote: Yeah, Right, Lucky! Bear in mind we Baby Boomers have already had the Asian Flu, the Hong Kong Flu, the Mao Flu, and other pandemics, which culled our numbers considerably, not to mention the Great Smog of '52, which killed thousands, or the Great Storm of '53. Then there was all the routine stuff like Measles, Mumps, German Measles, Whooping Cough, Chicken Pox, Scarlet Fever, Diphtheria, etc. that were compulsory, before they invented vaccines for such things. Then there was the general lifestyle, living in asbestos-walled prefabs, on a diet of bread and dripping, with rationing and no bananas, and coal smoke belching out of chimneys. And those wonderful adventure playgrounds, that we called 'bombsites', because they were, where we unearthed all sorts of interesting bits of ironmongery. Or splashing about at the seaside, amongst the tank-traps and rusting barbed wire, or getting your bike wheel stuck in the tramlines, or all those other childhood adventures which nearly prevented us becoming adults. And now we're a major 'At Risk' group for the latest virus. So, you are entirely correct. We are Lucky - to have survived this long! luv, Rog. On Wednesday, 15 April 2020, 12:06:09 BST, paul--- via Tech1 wrote: Thiers always one that spoils it by speaking out?? ? From: Tech1 On Behalf Of Barry Bonner via Tech1 Sent: 15 April 2020 11:48 To: Mike Giles Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Baby boomers ? Shhhhh! Don?t tell everyone!! ? ????????? Barry. ? ? On 15 Apr 2020, at 09:03, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: It has occurred to me that in the current crisis situation, we baby boomers are once again at an advantage compared to later and earlier generations. We are past normal retirement age, so do not need to risk contact with fellow employees, but, assuming the pension funds are sufficiently robust, we still have income, mostly on the basis of relatively generous final salary schemes. And we are not old enough to be in care homes, which seem like risky places to be, but we are old enough to qualify for home deliveries from the likes of Sainsbury?s. What did we do to deserve such privileged status? With apologies to recipients who fall outside the bracket. Mike G -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk ? -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave at davesound.co.uk Wed Apr 15 13:33:02 2020 From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2020 19:33:02 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Baby boomers In-Reply-To: <0FC6292D-1419-4954-8417-879A8AE64AA6@btinternet.com> References: <1982C70E-5516-476A-91DB-55A97DE87C6F@mac.com> <001901d61315$ccdd1450$66973cf0$@pgtmedia.co.uk> <319670896.1969809.1586965531644@mail.yahoo.com> <0FC6292D-1419-4954-8417-879A8AE64AA6@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <5861b5fa26dave@davesound.co.uk> In article <0FC6292D-1419-4954-8417-879A8AE64AA6 at btinternet.com>, Barry Bonner via Tech1 wrote: > I feel left out of your list Rog, I caught Polio when I was 3 and spent > some time in an ?Iron Lung? followed by a burst appendix 9 months > later!! Barry. Yes - I noticed that one missing. Many of us will have been inoculated against TB. Usually tested first, and if no antibodies, given the jab. Interesting thing about the BCG used for that inoculation. Countries where it is routine and compulsory, like say Portugal, seem to have a lot less deaths from COVID-19. Only something like 200 so far. Compared to their only neighbour Spain, which doesn't. But don't assume that if you were inoculated you'll be OK. It only seems to be effective for 10-15 years. And not sure if it is routine now in the UK anyway. But may provide promising research for the future. -- *I was married by a judge. I should have asked for a jury. Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com Wed Apr 15 14:07:26 2020 From: geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com (Geoffrey Hawkes) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2020 20:07:26 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Baby boomers In-Reply-To: <1982C70E-5516-476A-91DB-55A97DE87C6F@mac.com> References: <1982C70E-5516-476A-91DB-55A97DE87C6F@mac.com> Message-ID: Agreed for reasons nicely put, we are privileged compared with many and to have been given a decent increase on our pension was good too. We have to hope that the investments it relies on don?t take too much of a downturn. What?s against us seems to be our age and being in possession of a Y chromosome, neither of which we can do anything about, even if we wanted to and I for one am content with both. I?ve not heard of any of our number being affected yet and hope we all survive to meet again when it?s over, though no-one knows when that will be, Geoff > On 15 Apr 2020, at 09:03, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: > > ?It has occurred to me that in the current crisis situation, we baby boomers are once again at an advantage compared to later and earlier generations. > > We are past normal retirement age, so do not need to risk contact with fellow employees, but, assuming the pension funds are sufficiently robust, we still have income, mostly on the basis of relatively generous final salary schemes. And we are not old enough to be in care homes, which seem like risky places to be, but we are old enough to qualify for home deliveries from the likes of Sainsbury?s. > > What did we do to deserve such privileged status? > > With apologies to recipients who fall outside the bracket. > > Mike G > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Wed Apr 15 14:48:08 2020 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2020 20:48:08 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Bread AND Dripping In-Reply-To: References: <1982C70E-5516-476A-91DB-55A97DE87C6F@mac.com> <001901d61315$ccdd1450$66973cf0$@pgtmedia.co.uk> <319670896.1969809.1586965531644@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <77008edc-c4a9-0963-7d48-c4cd931742ba@btinternet.com> It was compulsory! Especially nice was the brown bit at the bottom of the basin!? ..and don't forget the tins of Malt and the Government orange juice (no bits, of course!), picking up 'Window' on the way to school and taking books in to get your cardboard badge! Happy, healthy, days, constant outdoor playing, no mobiles (or any phones at all!) , home grown veg. and chicken once a year (if you were lucky!) at Christmas, a Boy Scout Annual, an apple and an orange as presents. Milk from the farmer's churn in the back of a small van. Cheers, Dave. On 15/04/2020 16:53, Keith Wicks via Tech1 wrote: > Bread /and/ dripping? On the same day? You were one of the lucky ones. > KW > > On Wed, 15 Apr 2020 at 16:47, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 > > wrote: > > Yeah, Right, Lucky! > > Bear in mind we Baby Boomers have already had the Asian Flu, the > Hong Kong Flu, the Mao Flu, and other pandemics, which culled our > numbers considerably, not to mention the Great Smog of '52, which > killed thousands, or the Great Storm of '53. Then there was all > the routine stuff like Measles, Mumps, German Measles, Whooping > Cough, Chicken Pox, Scarlet Fever, Diphtheria, etc. that were > compulsory, before they invented vaccines for such things. Then > there was the general lifestyle, living in asbestos-walled > prefabs, on a diet of bread and dripping, with rationing and no > bananas, and coal smoke belching out of chimneys. And those > wonderful adventure playgrounds, that we called 'bombsites', > because they were, where we unearthed all sorts of interesting > bits of ironmongery. Or splashing about at the seaside, amongst > the tank-traps and rusting barbed wire, or getting your bike wheel > stuck in the tramlines, or all those other childhood adventures > which nearly prevented us becoming adults. > > And now we're a major 'At Risk' group for the latest virus. > > So, you are entirely correct. We are Lucky - to have survived this > long! > > luv, Rog. > > > On Wednesday, 15 April 2020, 12:06:09 BST, paul--- via Tech1 > > wrote: > > > Thiers always one that spoils it by speaking out?? > > *From:*Tech1 > *On Behalf Of *Barry Bonner > via Tech1 > *Sent:* 15 April 2020 11:48 > *To:* Mike Giles > > *Cc:* tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > *Subject:* Re: [Tech1] Baby boomers > > Shhhhh! Don?t tell everyone!! > > ///Barry./ > > On 15 Apr 2020, at 09:03, Mike Giles via Tech1 > > wrote: > > > > It has occurred to me that in the current crisis situation, we > baby boomers are once again at an advantage compared to later > and earlier generations. > > We are past normal retirement age, so do not need to risk > contact with fellow employees, but, assuming the pension funds > are sufficiently robust, we still have income, mostly on the > basis of relatively generous final salary schemes. 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URL: From techtone at protonmail.com Wed Apr 15 14:56:54 2020 From: techtone at protonmail.com (techtone) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2020 19:56:54 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Mental Ramblings Message-ID: It's funny how recent events have sparked a whole rash of 'reminiscences' for want of a better term. During my local rambling, I keep bumping into friends and neighbours, and during the course of the chats that follow, so many subjects get covered, frequently about what happened to us some time ago. For some unknown reason, said friends and neighbours always want to hear about 'Tales from the Doughnut' (almost put that in the email subject line). Thus, herewith some of the more recent rambling, which started off by me telling tales of long, arduous hours in studios, especially on overruns. I recalled one drama series which often went on into the wee small hours, and one particular episode during which time the studio seemed even hotter than usual (an aside here - in TVC it always seemed to me that the studios were absolutely sweatingly baking hot during the winter when it was below zero outside, and numbingly freezing during the summer when you would be frazzled within ten seconds of stepping outside). The makeup department, bless them, would go round everyone with chamois leathers (I assume that's what they used) soaked in eau de cologne (again, I assume that's what it was) and soothed many a fevered brow. On this occasion, upon crawling into pit in the wee small hours, and being accosted by a screeching harridan - oops, no, no, that's my wife - where've you been, who with, what did you get up to?.......etc., etc. Ugh, I've been working all hours. SMELLING LIKE THAT - I don't think so! Arghh, it's eau de cologne, used to cool everyone down (boy could I use some now!).It took many a long hour of persuasion (and ask Reg, Ron, Dave, Pete, Uncle Tom Cobbley........) before she accepted that maybe it was a form of coolant, whew. Conversations then moved on to what great bunch of colleagues we had to work alongside, and I recalled being told on my induction, that all of us in the studios were equal, all working together as a team, and that we tech ops were not really the top tier (but we all knew better, I mean, this is telly, it's sound and pictures, er, no, it's television, that's pictures, excellent, fantastic, beautifully composed and framed pictures - OK and well-lit - with intelligible sound). So, whatever we did, we respected everyone else on the studio floor. And to be fair, yes they were a wonderful bunch to work with. But I was 'warned' by a cameraman on one of my first crews (and I really can't remember who it was) telling me about what happened to him when he split the seam of his trousers right round the backside, prior to transmission. Fortunately wardrobe were on hand (or FROX as they later liked to be known) and he was rushed into their area where he said he wasn't concerned that the young fellow doing the repair was deftly sewing the seam whilst he was still wearing his trousers, but he did break sweat when said gent finished by biting off the thread. Hopefully, these ramblings of mine will lend themselves to other tales of mystery and imagination from the rest of you - so that I can keep those erstwhile friends and neighbours entertained on my ramblings. TeaTeaFN - Tony Sent with [ProtonMail](https://protonmail.com) Secure Email. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From martindilly20 at gmail.com Wed Apr 15 17:20:24 2020 From: martindilly20 at gmail.com (Martin Dilly) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2020 23:20:24 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Bread AND Dripping In-Reply-To: <77008edc-c4a9-0963-7d48-c4cd931742ba@btinternet.com> References: <1982C70E-5516-476A-91DB-55A97DE87C6F@mac.com> <001901d61315$ccdd1450$66973cf0$@pgtmedia.co.uk> <319670896.1969809.1586965531644@mail.yahoo.com> <77008edc-c4a9-0963-7d48-c4cd931742ba@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <14325a93-f13b-efb6-7460-193e9f142b2f@gmail.com> I think Virol was another form of cod liver oil and malt and tasted quite pleasant. My mother made marzipan from soya flour and almond essence and for some years after the War it seemed pretty good. Then there was the ever-hopeful search for butterfly bombs and Colorado beetles, for which I think there was a ?5 reward. Growing up a short bike ride from RAF Hartford Bridge (now Blackbushe) provided the smell of aromatic 130 octane petrol and occasional visits to the cockpits of Mitchells, Mosquitos and C-47s. ASR Warwicks with air-droppable lifeboats and a Liberator with a Leigh light under one wing added to the excitement. Till a few years ago the kerb ouside the cottage we lived in still bore the regular chips made when a Churchill took it a bit close in a convoy en route to a D-Day landing craft. On 15/04/2020 20:48, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: > > It was compulsory! Especially nice was the brown bit at the bottom of > the basin!? ..and don't forget the tins of Malt and the Government > orange juice (no bits, of course!), picking up 'Window' on the way to > school and taking books in to get your cardboard badge! Happy, > healthy, days, constant outdoor playing, no mobiles (or any phones at > all!) , home grown veg. and chicken once a year (if you were lucky!) > at Christmas, a Boy Scout Annual, an apple and an orange as presents. > Milk from the farmer's churn in the back of a small van. Cheers, Dave. > > On 15/04/2020 16:53, Keith Wicks via Tech1 wrote: >> Bread /and/ dripping? On the same day? You were one of the lucky ones. >> KW >> >> On Wed, 15 Apr 2020 at 16:47, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 >> > wrote: >> >> Yeah, Right, Lucky! >> >> Bear in mind we Baby Boomers have already had the Asian Flu, the >> Hong Kong Flu, the Mao Flu, and other pandemics, which culled our >> numbers considerably, not to mention the Great Smog of '52, which >> killed thousands, or the Great Storm of '53. Then there was all >> the routine stuff like Measles, Mumps, German Measles, Whooping >> Cough, Chicken Pox, Scarlet Fever, Diphtheria, etc. that were >> compulsory, before they invented vaccines for such things. Then >> there was the general lifestyle, living in asbestos-walled >> prefabs, on a diet of bread and dripping, with rationing and no >> bananas, and coal smoke belching out of chimneys. And those >> wonderful adventure playgrounds, that we called 'bombsites', >> because they were, where we unearthed all sorts of interesting >> bits of ironmongery. Or splashing about at the seaside, amongst >> the tank-traps and rusting barbed wire, or getting your bike >> wheel stuck in the tramlines, or all those other childhood >> adventures which nearly prevented us becoming adults. >> >> And now we're a major 'At Risk' group for the latest virus. >> >> So, you are entirely correct. We are Lucky - to have survived >> this long! >> >> luv, Rog. >> >> >> On Wednesday, 15 April 2020, 12:06:09 BST, paul--- via Tech1 >> > wrote: >> >> >> Thiers always one that spoils it by speaking out?? >> >> *From:*Tech1 > > *On Behalf Of *Barry >> Bonner via Tech1 >> *Sent:* 15 April 2020 11:48 >> *To:* Mike Giles > >> *Cc:* tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> *Subject:* Re: [Tech1] Baby boomers >> >> Shhhhh! Don?t tell everyone!! >> >> ///Barry./ >> >> On 15 Apr 2020, at 09:03, Mike Giles via Tech1 >> > wrote: >> >> >> >> It has occurred to me that in the current crisis situation, >> we baby boomers are once again at an advantage compared to >> later and earlier generations. >> >> We are past normal retirement age, so do not need to risk >> contact with fellow employees, but, assuming the pension >> funds are sufficiently robust, we still have income, mostly >> on the basis of relatively generous final salary schemes. And >> we are not old enough to be in care homes, which seem like >> risky places to be, but we are old enough to qualify for home >> deliveries from the likes of Sainsbury?s. >> >> What did we do to deserve such privileged status? >> >> With apologies to recipients who fall outside the bracket. >> >> Mike G >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I may have opened my virtual mouth and put my proverbial foot in it, but if nothing else it caused a lot of little grey cells to churn, and.it produced some reminiscences, which I hope will have provided a moment or two?s relief from the tedium, though speaking personally, having a garden, an office full of junk and an even worse garage full, tedium is still a few weeks away. To expand the Bread and Dripping topic ~ what experience have people had with grocery deliveries? There seem to have been very different outcomes, with many tales of woe and it took us quite a long time to get anywhere, but eventually Sainsbury?s came good and we had our second delivery this evening. The initial problem was that we had not used any of the home delivery services before and although I managed to register with Sainsbury?s when the lockdown was first mooted, I couldn?t get a delivery slot because neither of us was registered as ?at risk?. But after a couple of weeks a phone number for an automated service appeared on the Sainsbury?s web-site which asked for the reference number from a previous delivery, or the number of a Nectar card linked to a Sainsbury?s account. Fortunately I had already registered my Nectar card and within a week I?d had two automated phone calls, firstly confirming our eligibility and then letting us know that we could expect to be able to book a slot within a couple of days. By way of another contribution to Bernie?s request for walk pictures, this line of white poplars is beside the River Mole, below Box Hill ~ I have to say they looked green to me! And I couldn?t believe how cracked the ground is already ~ only a few weeks ago this whole field was flooded. Mike G > On 15 Apr 2020, at 20:48, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: > > It was compulsory! Especially nice was the brown bit at the bottom of the basin! ..and don't forget the tins of Malt and the Government orange juice (no bits, of course!), picking up 'Window' on the way to school and taking books in to get your cardboard badge! Happy, healthy, days, constant outdoor playing, no mobiles (or any phones at all!) , home grown veg. and chicken once a year (if you were lucky!) at Christmas, a Boy Scout Annual, an apple and an orange as presents. Milk from the farmer's churn in the back of a small van. Cheers, Dave. > > On 15/04/2020 16:53, Keith Wicks via Tech1 wrote: >> Bread and dripping? On the same day? You were one of the lucky ones. >> KW >> >> On Wed, 15 Apr 2020 at 16:47, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 > wrote: >> Yeah, Right, Lucky! >> >> Bear in mind we Baby Boomers have already had the Asian Flu, the Hong Kong Flu, the Mao Flu, and other pandemics, which culled our numbers considerably, not to mention the Great Smog of '52, which killed thousands, or the Great Storm of '53. Then there was all the routine stuff like Measles, Mumps, German Measles, Whooping Cough, Chicken Pox, Scarlet Fever, Diphtheria, etc. that were compulsory, before they invented vaccines for such things. Then there was the general lifestyle, living in asbestos-walled prefabs, on a diet of bread and dripping, with rationing and no bananas, and coal smoke belching out of chimneys. And those wonderful adventure playgrounds, that we called 'bombsites', because they were, where we unearthed all sorts of interesting bits of ironmongery. Or splashing about at the seaside, amongst the tank-traps and rusting barbed wire, or getting your bike wheel stuck in the tramlines, or all those other childhood adventures which nearly prevented us becoming adults. >> >> And now we're a major 'At Risk' group for the latest virus. >> >> So, you are entirely correct. We are Lucky - to have survived this long! >> >> luv, Rog. >> >> >> On Wednesday, 15 April 2020, 12:06:09 BST, paul--- via Tech1 > wrote: >> >> >> Thiers always one that spoils it by speaking out?? >> >> >> From: Tech1 > On Behalf Of Barry Bonner via Tech1 >> Sent: 15 April 2020 11:48 >> To: Mike Giles > >> Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Baby boomers >> >> >> Shhhhh! Don?t tell everyone!! >> >> >> Barry. >> >> >> >> On 15 Apr 2020, at 09:03, Mike Giles via Tech1 > wrote: >> >> >> >> >> It has occurred to me that in the current crisis situation, we baby boomers are once again at an advantage compared to later and earlier generations. >> >> We are past normal retirement age, so do not need to risk contact with fellow employees, but, assuming the pension funds are sufficiently robust, we still have income, mostly on the basis of relatively generous final salary schemes. And we are not old enough to be in care homes, which seem like risky places to be, but we are old enough to qualify for home deliveries from the likes of Sainsbury?s. >> >> What did we do to deserve such privileged status? >> >> With apologies to recipients who fall outside the bracket. >> >> Mike G >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Crossing a field of cattle or daring to hold on to an electric fence and feeling the jolt were about my limit, Geoff > On 15 Apr 2020, at 20:48, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: > > ? > It was compulsory! Especially nice was the brown bit at the bottom of the basin! ..and don't forget the tins of Malt and the Government orange juice (no bits, of course!), picking up 'Window' on the way to school and taking books in to get your cardboard badge! Happy, healthy, days, constant outdoor playing, no mobiles (or any phones at all!) , home grown veg. and chicken once a year (if you were lucky!) at Christmas, a Boy Scout Annual, an apple and an orange as presents. Milk from the farmer's churn in the back of a small van. Cheers, Dave. > > On 15/04/2020 16:53, Keith Wicks via Tech1 wrote: >> Bread and dripping? On the same day? You were one of the lucky ones. >> KW >> >> On Wed, 15 Apr 2020 at 16:47, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 wrote: >>> Yeah, Right, Lucky! >>> >>> Bear in mind we Baby Boomers have already had the Asian Flu, the Hong Kong Flu, the Mao Flu, and other pandemics, which culled our numbers considerably, not to mention the Great Smog of '52, which killed thousands, or the Great Storm of '53. Then there was all the routine stuff like Measles, Mumps, German Measles, Whooping Cough, Chicken Pox, Scarlet Fever, Diphtheria, etc. that were compulsory, before they invented vaccines for such things. Then there was the general lifestyle, living in asbestos-walled prefabs, on a diet of bread and dripping, with rationing and no bananas, and coal smoke belching out of chimneys. And those wonderful adventure playgrounds, that we called 'bombsites', because they were, where we unearthed all sorts of interesting bits of ironmongery. Or splashing about at the seaside, amongst the tank-traps and rusting barbed wire, or getting your bike wheel stuck in the tramlines, or all those other childhood adventures which nearly prevented us becoming adults. >>> >>> And now we're a major 'At Risk' group for the latest virus. >>> >>> So, you are entirely correct. We are Lucky - to have survived this long! >>> >>> luv, Rog. >>> >>> >>> On Wednesday, 15 April 2020, 12:06:09 BST, paul--- via Tech1 wrote: >>> >>> >>> Thiers always one that spoils it by speaking out?? >>> >>> >>> >>> From: Tech1 On Behalf Of Barry Bonner via Tech1 >>> Sent: 15 April 2020 11:48 >>> To: Mike Giles >>> Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Baby boomers >>> >>> >>> >>> Shhhhh! Don?t tell everyone!! >>> >>> >>> >>> Barry. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On 15 Apr 2020, at 09:03, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> It has occurred to me that in the current crisis situation, we baby boomers are once again at an advantage compared to later and earlier generations. >>> >>> We are past normal retirement age, so do not need to risk contact with fellow employees, but, assuming the pension funds are sufficiently robust, we still have income, mostly on the basis of relatively generous final salary schemes. And we are not old enough to be in care homes, which seem like risky places to be, but we are old enough to qualify for home deliveries from the likes of Sainsbury?s. >>> >>> What did we do to deserve such privileged status? >>> >>> With apologies to recipients who fall outside the bracket. >>> >>> Mike G >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I feel that I recognise the TM, and Lighting Supervisor, but cannot remember names. I don?t recognise the Sound Supervisor, but the Grams Op could be me! Certainly the dress code is what I probably wore in those days. (At 16:00 in the outside rehearsal footage). I think I only worked on a couple of episodes, but recall them as being in TC4. There was another time when a behind the scenes film was made, but there was a studio camera in the sound gallery. We were paid an appearance fee of 10 guineas, but as it was in BBC time, doing our normal job, they deducted 3 guineas! Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Andrew Boulton Sent: 15 April 2020 22:32 To: patheigham at amps.net; Brian Simmons Subject: Late night line up 1965 - Z cars Dear Pat and Brian, I thought that you would both be interested in this YouTube video from around 1965 of a behind the scenes look at the making of an episode of Z Cars. It shows some film location scenes at the beginning, nice to see Peter Edwards with the Druce boom with a D25 on the end of it. Some serious H&S issues with a tall wooden tower for the camera's high shot! It then goes on to show rehearsal scenes and ends in Riverside studios for live transmission. Pat who is the Sound Supervisor and gram op?? Brian, I didn't recognise the sound recordist, but I did recognise the Perfectone recorder. Ian Sands posted this link on the IPS site, so you may have seen it. How are you both geting on in the quiet and surreal world? I've just started?to take my Zoom recorder out into the garden and record atmos tracks at different time of the day. We don't live in a noisy environment?any way, but there is an even greater peacefulness?at this time, and it is very interesting to capture it. I know through AMPS connect that there is a large atmos recording project going on both here and other parts of the world, and not what i'm doing is for that, it is just a personal record of these strange times. Kind regards Andrew https://youtu.be/y4LHo0CtvsY -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From barrybonner119 at btinternet.com Thu Apr 16 05:30:11 2020 From: barrybonner119 at btinternet.com (Barry Bonner) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2020 11:30:11 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Late night line up 1965 - Z cars In-Reply-To: <5e9831cb.1c69fb81.c6691.c249@mx.google.com> References: <5e9831cb.1c69fb81.c6691.c249@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Sound Supervisor?.Les Wilkins. Barry. On 16 Apr 2020, at 11:22, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > I forward this, in case names could be put to the technicians. > I feel that I recognise the TM, and Lighting Supervisor, but cannot remember names. > I don?t recognise the Sound Supervisor, but the Grams Op could be me! > Certainly the dress code is what I probably wore in those days. > (At 16:00 in the outside rehearsal footage). > I think I only worked on a couple of episodes, but recall them as being in TC4. > There was another time when a behind the scenes film was made, but there was a studio camera in the sound gallery. We were paid an appearance fee of 10 guineas, but as it was in BBC time, doing our normal job, they deducted 3 guineas! > Pat > > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > From: Andrew Boulton > Sent: 15 April 2020 22:32 > To: patheigham at amps.net; Brian Simmons > Subject: Late night line up 1965 - Z cars > > Dear Pat and Brian, > > I thought that you would both be interested in this YouTube video from around 1965 of a behind the scenes look at the making of an episode of Z Cars. It shows some film location scenes at the beginning, nice to see Peter Edwards with the Druce boom with a D25 on the end of it. Some serious H&S issues with a tall wooden tower for the camera's high shot! It then goes on to show rehearsal scenes and ends in Riverside studios for live transmission. Pat who is the Sound Supervisor and gram op? > > Brian, I didn't recognise the sound recordist, but I did recognise the Perfectone recorder. > > Ian Sands posted this link on the IPS site, so you may have seen it. > > How are you both geting on in the quiet and surreal world? I've just started to take my Zoom recorder out into the garden and record atmos tracks at different time of the day. We don't live in a noisy environment any way, but there is an even greater peacefulness at this time, and it is very interesting to capture it. I know through AMPS connect that there is a large atmos recording project going on both here and other parts of the world, and not what i'm doing is for that, it is just a personal record of these strange times. > > Kind regards > > Andrew > https://youtu.be/y4LHo0CtvsY > > > > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From davidvbrunt at gmail.com Thu Apr 16 06:06:13 2020 From: davidvbrunt at gmail.com (David Brunt) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2020 12:06:13 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Late night line up 1965 - Z cars In-Reply-To: References: <5e9831cb.1c69fb81.c6691.c249@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <9FD06702435649BD941F3FB4A0CAC963@0023242e4e14> The making of the episode ?The Soft Game?, tx 21 April 1965. Regular Cast: P.C. [Dave] Graham (F); P.C. Baker (F); Det. Sgt. Watt; Det. Con. [Bert] Lynch (F); Sgt. Blackitt; Paula Poulton (OOV) [billed as Paula Pulton] Toby [Thomas Jugg] Terry Scully (F) Doreen [Jugg] Anne Hart (F) Jimmy Ken Jones (F) Milkman Bert Palmer (F) Annie (Woman) Ruth Porcher (F) Harry (Man) Joby Blanshard Fire Officer Norman Stanley P.C. Hubert Willis (not credited on script) Double for P.C. Graham Michael Earl (FO) Fireman (1) Pat Gorman (F) Fireman (2) James Hamilton (F) Written by Eric Coltart Directed by Ian MacNaughton Designer: James Weatherup Script Editor: Kenneth Ware Music arranged by Bridget Fry and Fritz Spiegl Film sequences Cameraman: Tony Leggo Editor: Sheila S. Tomlinson Produced by David E. Rose Format by Troy Kennedy Martin Production Assistant: Frank Pendlebury Assistant Floor Manager: Ann Lee Floor Assistant: Mike Catherwood Assistant: Peggy Lupton Lighting (TM1): Otis Eddy Technical Manager (TM2): Bill Millar Sound Supervisor: Les Wilkins Vision Mixer: Rachel Blayney Crew: 6 [Camera 1 - Dave Thompson and Dave Austwick; 2 - Tony Powell and Roy Adcock; 3 - Mike Harrison; 4 - pool cameraman; 5 - Roger Twyford; 6 - no camera six] Costume Supervisor: Ronnie Rowlands Make-up Supervisor: Heather Stewart Sound recordist: Stan Nightingale Location caterers: HAP Mobile Caterers Ltd From: Barry Bonner via Tech1 Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2020 11:30 AM To: patheigham Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Late night line up 1965 - Z cars Sound Supervisor?.Les Wilkins. Barry. On 16 Apr 2020, at 11:22, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: I forward this, in case names could be put to the technicians. I feel that I recognise the TM, and Lighting Supervisor, but cannot remember names. I don?t recognise the Sound Supervisor, but the Grams Op could be me! Certainly the dress code is what I probably wore in those days. (At 16:00 in the outside rehearsal footage). I think I only worked on a couple of episodes, but recall them as being in TC4. There was another time when a behind the scenes film was made, but there was a studio camera in the sound gallery. We were paid an appearance fee of 10 guineas, but as it was in BBC time, doing our normal job, they deducted 3 guineas! Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Andrew Boulton Sent: 15 April 2020 22:32 To: patheigham at amps.net; Brian Simmons Subject: Late night line up 1965 - Z cars Dear Pat and Brian, I thought that you would both be interested in this YouTube video from around 1965 of a behind the scenes look at the making of an episode of Z Cars. It shows some film location scenes at the beginning, nice to see Peter Edwards with the Druce boom with a D25 on the end of it. Some serious H&S issues with a tall wooden tower for the camera's high shot! It then goes on to show rehearsal scenes and ends in Riverside studios for live transmission. Pat who is the Sound Supervisor and gram op? Brian, I didn't recognise the sound recordist, but I did recognise the Perfectone recorder. Ian Sands posted this link on the IPS site, so you may have seen it. How are you both geting on in the quiet and surreal world? I've just started to take my Zoom recorder out into the garden and record atmos tracks at different time of the day. We don't live in a noisy environment any way, but there is an even greater peacefulness at this time, and it is very interesting to capture it. I know through AMPS connect that there is a large atmos recording project going on both here and other parts of the world, and not what i'm doing is for that, it is just a personal record of these strange times. Kind regards Andrew https://youtu.be/y4LHo0CtvsY ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Toby [Thomas Jugg]??? Terry Scully??? (F) Doreen [Jugg]??? Anne Hart??? (F) Jimmy??? Ken Jones??? (F) Milkman??? Bert Palmer??? (F) Annie (Woman)??? Ruth Porcher??? (F) Harry (Man)??? Joby Blanshard Fire Officer??? Norman Stanley ? P.C.??? Hubert Willis (not credited on script) Double for P.C. Graham ??? Michael Earl??? (FO) Fireman (1)???? Pat Gorman??? (F) Fireman (2)??? James Hamilton??? (F) ? Written by???? Eric Coltart Directed by???? Ian MacNaughton Designer:???? James Weatherup Script Editor:???? Kenneth Ware Music arranged by??? Bridget Fry and Fritz Spiegl Film sequences ? Cameraman:???? Tony Leggo ? Editor:???? Sheila S. Tomlinson Produced by???? David E. Rose ? Format by???? Troy Kennedy Martin Production Assistant:???? Frank Pendlebury Assistant Floor Manager: ??? Ann Lee Floor Assistant:???? Mike Catherwood Assistant:???? Peggy Lupton Lighting (TM1):???? Otis Eddy Technical Manager (TM2): ??? Bill Millar Sound Supervisor:???? Les Wilkins Vision Mixer:???? Rachel Blayney Crew:???? 6 [Camera 1 - Dave Thompson and Dave Austwick;? 2 - Tony Powell and Roy Adcock; 3 - Mike Harrison; 4 - pool cameraman; 5 - Roger Twyford; 6 - no camera six] Costume Supervisor:???? Ronnie Rowlands Make-up Supervisor:??? Heather Stewart Sound recordist:??? Stan Nightingale Location caterers:??? HAP Mobile Caterers Ltd ? From: Barry Bonner via Tech1 Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2020 11:30 AM To: patheigham Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Late night line up 1965 - Z cars ? Sound Supervisor?.Les Wilkins. Barry. ? On 16 Apr 2020, at 11:22, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: I forward this, in case names could be put to the technicians. ? ? -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rogerbunce at btinternet.com Thu Apr 16 06:28:25 2020 From: rogerbunce at btinternet.com (ROGER BUNCE) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2020 11:28:25 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Tech1] FW: Late night line up 1965 - Z cars In-Reply-To: <5e9831cb.1c69fb81.c6691.c249@mx.google.com> References: <5e9831cb.1c69fb81.c6691.c249@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <738511198.2770209.1587036505871@mail.yahoo.com> I've also been looking at that, and grabbing stills for my web page (Now delayed until my computer can be fixed!) I also assumed that the gram op was you, Pat (unless it's a young Len Shorey), and was hoping you could identify the Sound Sup. ?I can't guarantee any of my spellings but - ?The TM2 is Bill Miller. I think the Vision Mixer is Rachel Blainey (?) (I tend to assume all female Vision Mixers of the period are Rachael, unless they are obviously Gladys!). The Director is Ian McNaughton. The Lighting Man looks like Otis Eddy, but doesn't sound like him. I don't know the gum-chewing V.O. Dave Thompson is on Camera 1, (on the front of the Heron). I recognise his tracker, but can't put a name to him. I'm struggling to identify the dynamic cameraman, dressed in black, on camera 4. Could it be Peter Levers? I though I caught glimpses of Reg Poulter at a couple of points, but the quality is a too grotty to be certain. The distinctive moustache of Tony Powell is visible during 'Notes'. And right at the end, another Heron tracker is unmistakably Roy Adcock - who doesn't seem to have changed a bit in all these years! luv, Rog. Some grabs - On Thursday, 16 April 2020, 11:22:36 BST, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: I forward this, in case names could be put to the technicians. I feel that I recognise the TM, and Lighting Supervisor, but cannot remember names. I don?t recognise the Sound Supervisor, but the Grams Op could be me! Certainly the dress code is what I probably wore in those days. (At 16:00 in the outside rehearsal footage). I think I only worked on a couple of episodes, but recall them as being in TC4. There was another time when a behind the scenes film was made, but there was a studio camera in the sound gallery. We were paid an appearance fee of 10 guineas, but as it was in BBC time, doing our normal job, they deducted 3 guineas! Pat ? ? Sent from Mail for Windows 10 ? From: Andrew Boulton Sent: 15 April 2020 22:32 To: patheigham at amps.net; Brian Simmons Subject: Late night line up 1965 - Z cars ? Dear Pat and Brian, ? I thought that you would both be interested in this YouTube video from around 1965 of a behind the scenes look at the making of an episode of Z Cars. It shows some film location scenes at the beginning, nice to see Peter Edwards with the Druce boom with a D25 on the end of it. Some serious H&S issues with a tall wooden tower for the camera's high shot! It then goes on to show rehearsal scenes and ends in Riverside studios for live transmission. Pat who is the Sound Supervisor and gram op?? ? Brian, I didn't recognise the sound recordist, but I did recognise the Perfectone recorder. ? Ian Sands posted this link on the IPS site, so you may have seen it. ? How are you both geting on in the quiet and surreal world? I've just started?to take my Zoom recorder out into the garden and record atmos tracks at different time of the day. We don't live in a noisy environment?any way, but there is an even greater peacefulness?at this time, and it is very interesting to capture it. I know through AMPS connect that there is a large atmos recording project going on both here and other parts of the world, and not what i'm doing is for that, it is just a personal record of these strange times. ? Kind regards ? 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URL: From relong at btinternet.com Thu Apr 16 07:17:38 2020 From: relong at btinternet.com (Roger E Long) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2020 13:17:38 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Late night line up 1965 - Z cars In-Reply-To: References: <5e9831cb.1c69fb81.c6691.c249@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <177C4A70-053A-4D92-83AB-515FED9FEEB9@btinternet.com> Stan Nightingale is the Sound Recordist with a Perfectone MK1recorder Peter Edwards his asst with D25 Stan did many Hancocks Half Hours in Radio Peter went on to become the Royal Recordist? Tony Leggo DoP with a blimped 35mm Arri. Ian McNaughnton directing Silent Arri up that dodgy wooden tower. Night shoots on ZCars were great for Film Unit We were day workers?.. Roger > On 16 Apr 2020, at 11:30, Barry Bonner via Tech1 wrote: > > Sound Supervisor?.Les Wilkins. > Barry. > > > > On 16 Apr 2020, at 11:22, patheigham via Tech1 > wrote: > >> I forward this, in case names could be put to the technicians. >> I feel that I recognise the TM, and Lighting Supervisor, but cannot remember names. >> I don?t recognise the Sound Supervisor, but the Grams Op could be me! >> Certainly the dress code is what I probably wore in those days. >> (At 16:00 in the outside rehearsal footage). >> I think I only worked on a couple of episodes, but recall them as being in TC4. >> There was another time when a behind the scenes film was made, but there was a studio camera in the sound gallery. We were paid an appearance fee of 10 guineas, but as it was in BBC time, doing our normal job, they deducted 3 guineas! >> Pat >> >> >> Sent from Mail for Windows 10 >> >> From: Andrew Boulton >> Sent: 15 April 2020 22:32 >> To: patheigham at amps.net ; Brian Simmons >> Subject: Late night line up 1965 - Z cars >> >> Dear Pat and Brian, >> >> I thought that you would both be interested in this YouTube video from around 1965 of a behind the scenes look at the making of an episode of Z Cars. It shows some film location scenes at the beginning, nice to see Peter Edwards with the Druce boom with a D25 on the end of it. Some serious H&S issues with a tall wooden tower for the camera's high shot! It then goes on to show rehearsal scenes and ends in Riverside studios for live transmission. Pat who is the Sound Supervisor and gram op? >> >> Brian, I didn't recognise the sound recordist, but I did recognise the Perfectone recorder. >> >> Ian Sands posted this link on the IPS site, so you may have seen it. >> >> How are you both geting on in the quiet and surreal world? I've just started to take my Zoom recorder out into the garden and record atmos tracks at different time of the day. We don't live in a noisy environment any way, but there is an even greater peacefulness at this time, and it is very interesting to capture it. I know through AMPS connect that there is a large atmos recording project going on both here and other parts of the world, and not what i'm doing is for that, it is just a personal record of these strange times. >> >> Kind regards >> >> Andrew >> https://youtu.be/y4LHo0CtvsY >> >> >> >> >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >> www.avast.com >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From homebrianlesley at gmail.com Thu Apr 16 09:18:40 2020 From: homebrianlesley at gmail.com (Brian White) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2020 15:18:40 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Classical Chuckle Message-ID: just feed doodlechaos into your search engine! 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John On 16/04/2020 15:18, Brian White via Tech1 wrote: > just feed? doodlechaos? into your search engine! > > Keep right on ------------------ > > Brian W. > From dave at davesound.co.uk Thu Apr 16 10:00:00 2020 From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2020 16:00:00 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] FW: Late night line up 1965 - Z cars In-Reply-To: <738511198.2770209.1587036505871@mail.yahoo.com> References: <5e9831cb.1c69fb81.c6691.c249@mx.google.com> <738511198.2770209.1587036505871@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5862264fd1dave@davesound.co.uk> In article <738511198.2770209.1587036505871 at mail.yahoo.com>, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 wrote: > I also assumed that the gram op was you, Pat (unless it's a young Len > Shorey), and was hoping you could identify the Sound Sup. Les Wilkins. -- *Santa's helpers are subordinate clauses* Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From pat.heigham at amps.net Thu Apr 16 10:21:42 2020 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2020 16:21:42 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Late night line up 1965 - Z cars In-Reply-To: <1587049400.nfzujwtx8kcwg00c@webmail.uwclub.net> References: <5e9831cb.1c69fb81.c6691.c249@mx.google.com> <9FD06702435649BD941F3FB4A0CAC963@0023242e4e14> <5e983ecf.1c69fb81.f998a.dc1e@mx.google.com> <1587049400.nfzujwtx8kcwg00c@webmail.uwclub.net> Message-ID: <5e987805.1c69fb81.5d098.234d@mx.google.com> David Brunt?s listing, see below, confirms Otis as the TM1, and he was my initial thought, I must say. Roger?s idea that the Gram Op was a young Len Shorey is not true, as Len was Sound Supervising for some time before that! Best Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: paulvictork at uwclub.net Sent: 16 April 2020 16:03 To: pat.heigham at amps.net Subject: Re: [Tech1] Late night line up 1965 - Z cars Hi Pat . I am sure that Otis is not in these pics Regards Paul ? On Thu, 16 Apr 2020 12:17:36 +0100, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: Many thanks for the info... Thought it was Otis Eddy, and I recognised Bill Millar, but his name was buried in the recesses of my mind. Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 ? From: David Brunt Sent: 16 April 2020 12:06 To: Barry Bonner; patheigham Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Late night line up 1965 - Z cars ? The making of the episode ?The Soft Game?, tx 21 April 1965. Regular Cast:??? P.C. [Dave] Graham (F); ??? P.C. Baker? (F); Det. Sgt. Watt; ??? Det. Con. [Bert] Lynch (F); ??? Sgt. Blackitt; Paula Poulton (OOV) ??? [billed as Paula Pulton] ? Toby [Thomas Jugg]??? Terry Scully??? (F) Doreen [Jugg]??? Anne Hart??? (F) Jimmy??? Ken Jones??? (F) Milkman??? Bert Palmer??? (F) Annie (Woman)??? Ruth Porcher??? (F) Harry (Man)??? Joby Blanshard Fire Officer??? Norman Stanley ? P.C.??? Hubert Willis (not credited on script) Double for P.C. Graham ??? Michael Earl??? (FO) Fireman (1)???? Pat Gorman??? (F) Fireman (2)??? James Hamilton??? (F) ? Written by???? Eric Coltart Directed by???? Ian MacNaughton Designer:???? James Weatherup Script Editor:???? Kenneth Ware Music arranged by??? Bridget Fry and Fritz Spiegl Film sequences ? Cameraman:???? Tony Leggo ? Editor:???? Sheila S. Tomlinson Produced by???? David E. Rose ? Format by???? Troy Kennedy Martin Production Assistant:???? Frank Pendlebury Assistant Floor Manager: ??? Ann Lee Floor Assistant:???? Mike Catherwood Assistant:???? Peggy Lupton Lighting (TM1):???? Otis Eddy Technical Manager (TM2): ??? Bill Millar Sound Supervisor:???? Les Wilkins Vision Mixer:???? Rachel Blayney Crew:???? 6 [Camera 1 - Dave Thompson and Dave Austwick;? 2 - Tony Powell and Roy Adcock; 3 - Mike Harrison; 4 - pool cameraman; 5 - Roger Twyford; 6 - no camera six] Costume Supervisor:???? Ronnie Rowlands Make-up Supervisor:??? Heather Stewart Sound recordist:??? Stan Nightingale Location caterers:??? HAP Mobile Caterers Ltd ? From: Barry Bonner via Tech1 Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2020 11:30 AM To: patheigham Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Late night line up 1965 - Z cars ? Sound Supervisor?.Les Wilkins. Barry. ? ? On 16 Apr 2020, at 11:22, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: I forward this, in case names could be put to the technicians. ? ? ? ? ? This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: A562FAD528404F94A43A5164D5999670.png Type: image/png Size: 137 bytes Desc: not available URL: From waresound at msn.com Thu Apr 16 11:27:40 2020 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2020 16:27:40 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Late night line up 1965 - Z cars Message-ID: ?The Gram Op is clearly Denise Davulay - the tortoise is a hidden clue. ;-) Nick. Sent from my iPad mini 5 On 16 Apr 2020, at 16:22, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: ? David Brunt?s listing, see below, confirms Otis as the TM1, and he was my initial thought, I must say. Roger?s idea that the Gram Op was a young Len Shorey is not true, as Len was Sound Supervising for some time before that! Best Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From martin at theeccles.uk Thu Apr 16 12:06:06 2020 From: martin at theeccles.uk (Martin Eccles) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2020 18:06:06 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Where all the loo rolls went Message-ID: <00c501d61411$52cdd8f0$f8698ad0$@theeccles.uk> Hi Chaps, Barry B asked me to send this to tech1 as his system seemed unable to. Martin. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Hope you?re keeping regular. > > Do we know the author of the piece? > > Mike G > >>> On 16 Apr 2020, at 18:06, Martin Eccles via Tech1 wrote: >>> >> ? >> Hi Chaps, >> Barry B asked me to send this to tech1 as his system seemed unable to. >> Martin. >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I got myself a Gmail address some years ago for just this reason. * The list accepts posts no bigger than 10Mb.? This is a part of the configuration that I can actually control, so I set that limit. This was after someone sent some enormous file attachment, and I'm not planning to change the limit. If someone goes over it I get a moderator post from the system asking if I want to accept it -? I don't. If you do have some enormously important enormous file you desperately need to share, let me know. I can put it somewhere private but accessible to the group. Happy New Year, if that happens to be today B -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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It almost certainly did arrive, and all stories and comments are gratefully accepted, even if no one says anything. If you are a rare poster, don't feel unappreciated. ? I've set the system to send posts to the originator, but it doesn't work. ? Some ISPs, notably BT Internet, Yahoo, Blueyonder and ntlworld, do silly things with posts to email lists - usually by blocking them. The best way round this is to use a different address to post to the group. I got myself a Gmail address some years ago for just this reason. ? The list accepts posts no bigger than 10Mb.? This is a part of the configuration that I can actually control, so I set that limit. This was after someone sent some enormous file attachment, and I'm not planning to change the limit. If someone goes over it I get a moderator post from the system asking if I want to accept it -? I don't. If you do have some enormously important enormous file you desperately need to share, let me know. 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B On 17/04/2020 10:13, patheigham wrote: > > Hi Bernie, > > I, for one, would like to see my postings ?echoed? back to me. > > With regard to large files, what about utilising Dropbox? > > That works well for my other Guild?s network. > > I can put you in touch with out guru moderator, if it would help. > > Best > > Pat > > Sent from Mail for > Windows 10 > > *From: *Bernard Newnham via Tech1 > *Sent: *17 April 2020 10:05 > *To: *tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > *Subject: *[Tech1] Admin technical stuff > > Hi All > > I'm prompted by posts from Martin Dilly, Barry Bonner and Brian White > to remind you - or tell you, if you haven't heard this before : - > > * You almost certainly won't see your own post, so if no one else > has something to add, it will seem that it didn't arrive. It > almost certainly did arrive, and all stories and comments are > gratefully accepted, even if no one says anything. If you are a > rare poster, don't feel unappreciated. > * I've set the system to send posts to the originator, but it > doesn't work. > * Some ISPs, notably BT Internet, Yahoo, Blueyonder and ntlworld, do > silly things with posts to email lists - usually by blocking them. > The best way round this is to use a different address to post to > the group. I got myself a Gmail address some years ago for just > this reason. > * The list accepts posts no bigger than 10Mb.? This is a part of the > configuration that I can actually control, so I set that limit. > This was after someone sent some enormous file attachment, and I'm > not planning to change the limit. If someone goes over it I get a > moderator post from the system asking if I want to accept it -? I > don't. If you do have some enormously important enormous file you > desperately need to share, let me know. I can put it somewhere > private but accessible to the group. > > Happy New Year, if that happens to be today > > B > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Avast logo > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com > > > <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com Fri Apr 17 07:16:56 2020 From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2020 13:16:56 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Admin technical stuff In-Reply-To: References: <5e99732a.1c69fb81.f71f0.cd2a@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Hi, Thunderbird can be configured to automatically link large files to a suitable site - I use WeTransfer to individual named addressees - but you can choose other sites. I have not tried this with a mailing list delivery system such as Bernie's. Keep safe, Best regards Alec sent from my mobile phone. Apologies for any strange autocorrections. On Fri, 17 Apr 2020, 11:06 Bernard Newnham via Tech1, wrote: > I refer the honorable member for Guildford to my earlier statement. > > If you want to put big files in a Dropbox, fine, go ahead. You could put > them on Mega, or probably several other transfer systems. > > B > > > > On 17/04/2020 10:13, patheigham wrote: > > Hi Bernie, > > I, for one, would like to see my postings ?echoed? back to me. > > With regard to large files, what about utilising Dropbox? > > That works well for my other Guild?s network. > > I can put you in touch with out guru moderator, if it would help. > > Best > > Pat > > > > > > Sent from Mail for > Windows 10 > > > > *From: *Bernard Newnham via Tech1 > *Sent: *17 April 2020 10:05 > *To: *tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > *Subject: *[Tech1] Admin technical stuff > > > > Hi All > > I'm prompted by posts from Martin Dilly, Barry Bonner and Brian White to > remind you - or tell you, if you haven't heard this before : - > > - You almost certainly won't see your own post, so if no one else has > something to add, it will seem that it didn't arrive. It almost certainly > did arrive, and all stories and comments are gratefully accepted, even if > no one says anything. If you are a rare poster, don't feel unappreciated. > - I've set the system to send posts to the originator, but it doesn't > work. > - Some ISPs, notably BT Internet, Yahoo, Blueyonder and ntlworld, do > silly things with posts to email lists - usually by blocking them. The best > way round this is to use a different address to post to the group. I got > myself a Gmail address some years ago for just this reason. > - The list accepts posts no bigger than 10Mb. This is a part of the > configuration that I can actually control, so I set that limit. This was > after someone sent some enormous file attachment, and I'm not planning to > change the limit. If someone goes over it I get a moderator post from the > system asking if I want to accept it - I don't. If you do have some > enormously important enormous file you desperately need to share, let me > know. I can put it somewhere private but accessible to the group. > > Happy New Year, if that happens to be today > > B > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > [image: Avast logo] > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com > > <#m_-1120743257888538608_DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From geoffletch at gmail.com Fri Apr 17 07:37:56 2020 From: geoffletch at gmail.com (Geoff Fletcher) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2020 13:37:56 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Late night line up 1965 - Z cars In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: i recognized and remembered 6 people - Ian Macnaughton and Rachel, Tony Powell and Mike Harrison, Otis Eddy, and isn't it Len Shorey sound mixing? Geoff F On Thu, 16 Apr 2020 at 17:28, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: > ?The Gram Op is clearly Denise Davulay - the tortoise is a hidden clue. > ;-) Nick. > Sent from my iPad mini 5 > > On 16 Apr 2020, at 16:22, patheigham via Tech1 > wrote: > > ? > > David Brunt?s listing, see below, confirms Otis as the TM1, and he was my > initial thought, I must say. > > Roger?s idea that the Gram Op was a young Len Shorey is not true, as Len > was Sound Supervising for some time before that! > > Best > > Pat > > > > Sent from Mail for > Windows 10 > > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Fri Apr 17 07:52:10 2020 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2020 13:52:10 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Late night line up 1965 - Z cars In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5e99a679.1c69fb81.bb198.1335@mx.google.com> How clever of you to recognise me so accurately! and remember that I brought my tortoise into the Sound Control of LG ?E?. I had to scrounge some boards from scene boys to build a corral, and put a notice on the door to say ?Tortoise at large? in case anyone stepped on it. Note: my name is spelt Daveluy, actually. Best regards DD ? Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Nick Ware via Tech1 Sent: 16 April 2020 17:27 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Late night line up 1965 - Z cars ?The Gram Op is clearly Denise Davulay - the tortoise is a hidden clue. ;-) Nick. Sent from my iPad mini 5 -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From crew13 at vincent68.plus.com Fri Apr 17 07:57:47 2020 From: crew13 at vincent68.plus.com (John Vincent) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2020 13:57:47 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Clap for Bernie Message-ID: <94545F0A-D412-4D73-99C1-911A25ECBBCB@vincent68.plus.com> In these strange times I think we should thank Bernie for keeping this site going for so long. He has given a lot of time to it not to mention some expense. I did make the suggestion some time ago that some of us switch to his energy supplier so he could get the reward. Unfortunately it did not take off. So let?s clap for Bernie! John V Sent from my iPad From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net Fri Apr 17 08:06:18 2020 From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2020 14:06:18 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Admin technical stuff In-Reply-To: References: <5e99732a.1c69fb81.f71f0.cd2a@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Like Alec I use We Transfer and would heartily endorse it. Coincidentally I did once use it to transfer a file to Pat! Dave Newbitt. From: Alec Bray via Tech1 Sent: Friday, April 17, 2020 1:16 PM To: Bernard Newnham Cc: Tech Ops Group Subject: Re: [Tech1] Admin technical stuff Hi, Thunderbird can be configured to automatically link large files to a suitable site - I use WeTransfer to individual named addressees - but you can choose other sites. I have not tried this with a mailing list delivery system such as Bernie's. Keep safe, Best regards Alec sent from my mobile phone. Apologies for any strange autocorrections. On Fri, 17 Apr 2020, 11:06 Bernard Newnham via Tech1, wrote: I refer the honorable member for Guildford to my earlier statement. If you want to put big files in a Dropbox, fine, go ahead. You could put them on Mega, or probably several other transfer systems. B On 17/04/2020 10:13, patheigham wrote: Hi Bernie, I, for one, would like to see my postings ?echoed? back to me. With regard to large files, what about utilising Dropbox? That works well for my other Guild?s network. I can put you in touch with out guru moderator, if it would help. Best Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Bernard Newnham via Tech1 Sent: 17 April 2020 10:05 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: [Tech1] Admin technical stuff Hi All I'm prompted by posts from Martin Dilly, Barry Bonner and Brian White to remind you - or tell you, if you haven't heard this before : - a.. You almost certainly won't see your own post, so if no one else has something to add, it will seem that it didn't arrive. It almost certainly did arrive, and all stories and comments are gratefully accepted, even if no one says anything. If you are a rare poster, don't feel unappreciated. b.. I've set the system to send posts to the originator, but it doesn't work. c.. Some ISPs, notably BT Internet, Yahoo, Blueyonder and ntlworld, do silly things with posts to email lists - usually by blocking them. The best way round this is to use a different address to post to the group. I got myself a Gmail address some years ago for just this reason. d.. The list accepts posts no bigger than 10Mb. This is a part of the configuration that I can actually control, so I set that limit. This was after someone sent some enormous file attachment, and I'm not planning to change the limit. If someone goes over it I get a moderator post from the system asking if I want to accept it - I don't. If you do have some enormously important enormous file you desperately need to share, let me know. 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URL: From geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com Fri Apr 17 08:22:36 2020 From: geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com (Geoffrey Hawkes) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2020 14:22:36 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Admin technical stuff In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1168B8FA-3A09-40A3-9F1F-05E582F3F898@gmail.com> Hi Bernie, Thanks for reassuring us about that as I?ve sometimes wondered whether I?ve just been shouting in the dark when I?ve heard nothing back. I also wonder if it?s because I?ve forgotten to select my gmail address in the From box as it defaults to my btinternet one which as you say, the system rejects, Geoff Geoff > On 17 Apr 2020, at 10:06, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: > > ? Hi All > > I'm prompted by posts from Martin Dilly, Barry Bonner and Brian White to remind you - or tell you, if you haven't heard this before : - > You almost certainly won't see your own post, so if no one else has something to add, it will seem that it didn't arrive. It almost certainly did arrive, and all stories and comments are gratefully accepted, even if no one says anything. If you are a rare poster, don't feel unappreciated. > I've set the system to send posts to the originator, but it doesn't work. > Some ISPs, notably BT Internet, Yahoo, Blueyonder and ntlworld, do silly things with posts to email lists - usually by blocking them. The best way round this is to use a different address to post to the group. I got myself a Gmail address some years ago for just this reason. > The list accepts posts no bigger than 10Mb. This is a part of the configuration that I can actually control, so I set that limit. This was after someone sent some enormous file attachment, and I'm not planning to change the limit. If someone goes over it I get a moderator post from the system asking if I want to accept it - I don't. If you do have some enormously important enormous file you desperately need to share, let me know. I can put it somewhere private but accessible to the group. > Happy New Year, if that happens to be today > > B > > > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave at davesound.co.uk Fri Apr 17 08:32:38 2020 From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2020 14:32:38 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Admin technical stuff In-Reply-To: <1168B8FA-3A09-40A3-9F1F-05E582F3F898@gmail.com> References: <1168B8FA-3A09-40A3-9F1F-05E582F3F898@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5862a22624dave@davesound.co.uk> Very grateful to Bernie for hosting this site. It is rather different from the other email ones I was once on - most being web based now. A reply to here sends the post to not only this group, but often a load of individuals too. So I try to remember to alter that to group only. I use rather an old computer for emails. Generally, because it ain't going to get a virus, etc. But some of the file sizes here huge, and slow to load. Only to discover they are a high resolutions scan of a low resolution picture, etc. ;-) -- *A fool and his money are soon partying * Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From mibridge at mac.com Fri Apr 17 11:26:00 2020 From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2020 17:26:00 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Admin technical stuff In-Reply-To: <1168B8FA-3A09-40A3-9F1F-05E582F3F898@gmail.com> References: <1168B8FA-3A09-40A3-9F1F-05E582F3F898@gmail.com> Message-ID: Just to say that I do get my own posts back. Mike G > On 17 Apr 2020, at 14:22, Geoffrey Hawkes via Tech1 wrote: > > Hi Bernie, > Thanks for reassuring us about that as I?ve sometimes wondered whether I?ve just been shouting in the dark when I?ve heard nothing back. I also wonder if it?s because I?ve forgotten to select my gmail address in the From box as it defaults to my btinternet one which as you say, the system rejects, > Geoff > > > > Geoff >> On 17 Apr 2020, at 10:06, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: >> >> ? Hi All >> >> I'm prompted by posts from Martin Dilly, Barry Bonner and Brian White to remind you - or tell you, if you haven't heard this before : - >> You almost certainly won't see your own post, so if no one else has something to add, it will seem that it didn't arrive. It almost certainly did arrive, and all stories and comments are gratefully accepted, even if no one says anything. If you are a rare poster, don't feel unappreciated. >> I've set the system to send posts to the originator, but it doesn't work. >> Some ISPs, notably BT Internet, Yahoo, Blueyonder and ntlworld, do silly things with posts to email lists - usually by blocking them. The best way round this is to use a different address to post to the group. I got myself a Gmail address some years ago for just this reason. >> The list accepts posts no bigger than 10Mb. This is a part of the configuration that I can actually control, so I set that limit. This was after someone sent some enormous file attachment, and I'm not planning to change the limit. If someone goes over it I get a moderator post from the system asking if I want to accept it - I don't. If you do have some enormously important enormous file you desperately need to share, let me know. I can put it somewhere private but accessible to the group. >> Happy New Year, if that happens to be today >> >> B >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mibridge at mac.com Fri Apr 17 11:44:22 2020 From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2020 17:44:22 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Admin technical stuff In-Reply-To: References: <1168B8FA-3A09-40A3-9F1F-05E582F3F898@gmail.com> Message-ID: As if by magic ~ duly received. Mike G > On 17 Apr 2020, at 17:26, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: > > Just to say that I do get my own posts back. > > Mike G > > > >> On 17 Apr 2020, at 14:22, Geoffrey Hawkes via Tech1 > wrote: >> >> Hi Bernie, >> Thanks for reassuring us about that as I?ve sometimes wondered whether I?ve just been shouting in the dark when I?ve heard nothing back. I also wonder if it?s because I?ve forgotten to select my gmail address in the From box as it defaults to my btinternet one which as you say, the system rejects, >> Geoff >> >> >> >> Geoff >>> On 17 Apr 2020, at 10:06, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 > wrote: >>> >>> ? Hi All >>> >>> I'm prompted by posts from Martin Dilly, Barry Bonner and Brian White to remind you - or tell you, if you haven't heard this before : - >>> You almost certainly won't see your own post, so if no one else has something to add, it will seem that it didn't arrive. It almost certainly did arrive, and all stories and comments are gratefully accepted, even if no one says anything. If you are a rare poster, don't feel unappreciated. >>> I've set the system to send posts to the originator, but it doesn't work. >>> Some ISPs, notably BT Internet, Yahoo, Blueyonder and ntlworld, do silly things with posts to email lists - usually by blocking them. The best way round this is to use a different address to post to the group. I got myself a Gmail address some years ago for just this reason. >>> The list accepts posts no bigger than 10Mb. This is a part of the configuration that I can actually control, so I set that limit. This was after someone sent some enormous file attachment, and I'm not planning to change the limit. If someone goes over it I get a moderator post from the system asking if I want to accept it - I don't. If you do have some enormously important enormous file you desperately need to share, let me know. I can put it somewhere private but accessible to the group. >>> Happy New Year, if that happens to be today >>> >>> B >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alanaudio at me.com Fri Apr 17 13:02:47 2020 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2020 19:02:47 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Admin technical stuff In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <23B2F25C-D3D1-4B8E-85B5-3D66D91004A9@me.com> You might be getting your own posts back due to a setting in your mail application. When I send from my Mac, I get a copy because I?ve set Mail to send me a bcc for every email sent, but when I send from my iPad, the setting on Mail is not to send a bcc and I don?t get sent one. Alan Taylor > On 17 Apr 2020, at 17:27, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: > > ?Just to say that I do get my own posts back. > > Mike G > > > >> On 17 Apr 2020, at 14:22, Geoffrey Hawkes via Tech1 wrote: >> >> Hi Bernie, >> Thanks for reassuring us about that as I?ve sometimes wondered whether I?ve just been shouting in the dark when I?ve heard nothing back. I also wonder if it?s because I?ve forgotten to select my gmail address in the From box as it defaults to my btinternet one which as you say, the system rejects, >> Geoff >> >> >> >> Geoff >>>> On 17 Apr 2020, at 10:06, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: >>>> >>> ? Hi All >>> >>> I'm prompted by posts from Martin Dilly, Barry Bonner and Brian White to remind you - or tell you, if you haven't heard this before : - >>> You almost certainly won't see your own post, so if no one else has something to add, it will seem that it didn't arrive. It almost certainly did arrive, and all stories and comments are gratefully accepted, even if no one says anything. If you are a rare poster, don't feel unappreciated. >>> I've set the system to send posts to the originator, but it doesn't work. >>> Some ISPs, notably BT Internet, Yahoo, Blueyonder and ntlworld, do silly things with posts to email lists - usually by blocking them. The best way round this is to use a different address to post to the group. I got myself a Gmail address some years ago for just this reason. >>> The list accepts posts no bigger than 10Mb. This is a part of the configuration that I can actually control, so I set that limit. This was after someone sent some enormous file attachment, and I'm not planning to change the limit. If someone goes over it I get a moderator post from the system asking if I want to accept it - I don't. If you do have some enormously important enormous file you desperately need to share, let me know. I can put it somewhere private but accessible to the group. >>> Happy New Year, if that happens to be today >>> >>> B >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rogerbunce at btinternet.com Fri Apr 17 15:28:09 2020 From: rogerbunce at btinternet.com (ROGER BUNCE) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2020 20:28:09 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Tech1] Gothic by Gaslight References: <400709414.42632.1587155289895.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <400709414.42632.1587155289895@mail.yahoo.com> Attached below is Chapter 8 of Gothic by Gaslight. I hope you are all keeping up! (This one ends with one of my favourite punch-lines.) luv, Roger. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 08Gothic.pdf Type: application/pdf Size: 144304 bytes Desc: not available URL: From mibridge at mac.com Fri Apr 17 16:29:10 2020 From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2020 22:29:10 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Admin technical stuff In-Reply-To: <23B2F25C-D3D1-4B8E-85B5-3D66D91004A9@me.com> References: <23B2F25C-D3D1-4B8E-85B5-3D66D91004A9@me.com> Message-ID: <9B4ED421-D572-4CBF-9FAF-B042673C02F0@mac.com> No ~ I haven?t got the Cc or Bcc option selected and I don?t get copies of what I write to others. I had always assumed that having addressed I get my own message back because I am a member of the group. One thing that has changed for me, some time ago, is that I no longer see the identity of the message originator ~ if it isn?t signed, I have to hit reply to see who it goes back to. I blame the technology myself! Mike G > On 17 Apr 2020, at 19:02, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: > > You might be getting your own posts back due to a setting in your mail application. When I send from my Mac, I get a copy because I?ve set Mail to send me a bcc for every email sent, but when I send from my iPad, the setting on Mail is not to send a bcc and I don?t get sent one. > > Alan Taylor > >> On 17 Apr 2020, at 17:27, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: >> >> ?Just to say that I do get my own posts back. >> >> Mike G >> >> >> >>> On 17 Apr 2020, at 14:22, Geoffrey Hawkes via Tech1 > wrote: >>> >>> Hi Bernie, >>> Thanks for reassuring us about that as I?ve sometimes wondered whether I?ve just been shouting in the dark when I?ve heard nothing back. I also wonder if it?s because I?ve forgotten to select my gmail address in the From box as it defaults to my btinternet one which as you say, the system rejects, >>> Geoff >>> >>> >>> >>> Geoff >>>> On 17 Apr 2020, at 10:06, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 > wrote: >>>> >>>> ? Hi All >>>> >>>> I'm prompted by posts from Martin Dilly, Barry Bonner and Brian White to remind you - or tell you, if you haven't heard this before : - >>>> You almost certainly won't see your own post, so if no one else has something to add, it will seem that it didn't arrive. It almost certainly did arrive, and all stories and comments are gratefully accepted, even if no one says anything. If you are a rare poster, don't feel unappreciated. >>>> I've set the system to send posts to the originator, but it doesn't work. >>>> Some ISPs, notably BT Internet, Yahoo, Blueyonder and ntlworld, do silly things with posts to email lists - usually by blocking them. The best way round this is to use a different address to post to the group. I got myself a Gmail address some years ago for just this reason. >>>> The list accepts posts no bigger than 10Mb. This is a part of the configuration that I can actually control, so I set that limit. This was after someone sent some enormous file attachment, and I'm not planning to change the limit. If someone goes over it I get a moderator post from the system asking if I want to accept it - I don't. If you do have some enormously important enormous file you desperately need to share, let me know. I can put it somewhere private but accessible to the group. >>>> Happy New Year, if that happens to be today >>>> >>>> B >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com Sat Apr 18 03:46:42 2020 From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray) Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2020 09:46:42 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Test card ? Message-ID: <1d2e8586-54e5-fa38-1f81-7db7f486e724@gmail.com> Hi all, It is donkey's years since I saw a broadcast? transmitted Test Card (and that was Test Card C!) We have been watching a couple of streaming programmes on YouTube, and the countdown to the start of the stream? has this: Is this for real, or is it just a fancy design?? Your comments ... By the way, is there a name for a stream(ing service) which is being (simultaneously) uploaded from a recording or film?? Some items are definitely streamed for download as they are being live uploaded, and are legitimately called "live streaming".? But how do we describe a film which is being streamed as it is uploaded? It can't be a live stream, and "stream" on its own implies something already uploaded! Keep safe! -- Best Regards Alec Alec Bray alec.bray.2 at gmail.com mob: 07789 561 346 home: 0118 981 7502 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: VIDEO-2020-04-17-20-06-36.mp4 Type: video/mp4 Size: 3736234 bytes Desc: not available URL: From dave at davesound.co.uk Sat Apr 18 06:49:28 2020 From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman) Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2020 12:49:28 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Admin technical stuff In-Reply-To: <9B4ED421-D572-4CBF-9FAF-B042673C02F0@mac.com> References: <23B2F25C-D3D1-4B8E-85B5-3D66D91004A9@me.com> <9B4ED421-D572-4CBF-9FAF-B042673C02F0@mac.com> Message-ID: <58631c8960dave@davesound.co.uk> It seems to behave very differently from any other group I've known. For example, replying to Mike's post here (I get the choice of reply to sender or group) and replying to group shows it as going to Alan Taylor and cc to group. Before I physically edit it to group only. In article <9B4ED421-D572-4CBF-9FAF-B042673C02F0 at mac.com>, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: > No ~ I haven?t got the Cc or Bcc option selected and I don?t get copies > of what I write to others. I had always assumed that having addressed > I get my own message back because I am a member of the > group. One thing that has changed for me, some time ago, is that I no > longer see the identity of the message originator ~ if it isn?t signed, > I have to hit reply to see who it goes back to. I blame the technology > myself! > Mike G > > On 17 Apr 2020, at 19:02, Alan Taylor via Tech1 > > wrote: > > > > You might be getting your own posts back due to a setting in your mail > > application. When I send from my Mac, I get a copy because I?ve set > > Mail to send me a bcc for every email sent, but when I send from my > > iPad, the setting on Mail is not to send a bcc and I don?t get sent > > one. > > > > Alan Taylor > > > >> On 17 Apr 2020, at 17:27, Mike Giles via Tech1 > >> wrote: > >> > >> #Just to say that I do get my own posts back. > >> > >> Mike G > >> > >> > >> > >>> On 17 Apr 2020, at 14:22, Geoffrey Hawkes via Tech1 > wrote: > >>> > >>> Hi Bernie, > >>> Thanks for reassuring us about that as I?ve sometimes wondered whether I?ve just been shouting in the dark when I?ve heard nothing back. I also wonder if it?s because I?ve forgotten to select my gmail address in the From box as it defaults to my btinternet one which as you say, the system rejects, > >>> Geoff > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Geoff > >>>> On 17 Apr 2020, at 10:06, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 > wrote: > >>>> > >>>> # Hi All > >>>> > >>>> I'm prompted by posts from Martin Dilly, Barry Bonner and Brian White to remind you - or tell you, if you haven't heard this before : - > >>>> You almost certainly won't see your own post, so if no one else has something to add, it will seem that it didn't arrive. It almost certainly did arrive, and all stories and comments are gratefully accepted, even if no one says anything. If you are a rare poster, don't feel unappreciated. > >>>> I've set the system to send posts to the originator, but it doesn't work. > >>>> Some ISPs, notably BT Internet, Yahoo, Blueyonder and ntlworld, do silly things with posts to email lists - usually by blocking them. The best way round this is to use a different address to post to the group. I got myself a Gmail address some years ago for just this reason. > >>>> The list accepts posts no bigger than 10Mb. This is a part of the configuration that I can actually control, so I set that limit. This was after someone sent some enormous file attachment, and I'm not planning to change the limit. If someone goes over it I get a moderator post from the system asking if I want to accept it - I don't. If you do have some enormously important enormous file you desperately need to share, let me know. I can put it somewhere private but accessible to the group. > >>>> Happy New Year, if that happens to be today > >>>> > >>>> B > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> Tech1 mailing list > >>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > >>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > >>> -- > >>> Tech1 mailing list > >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > >> > >> -- > >> Tech1 mailing list > >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- > > Tech1 mailing list > > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- *He's not dead - he's electroencephalographically challenged Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From jpn at imixmics.co.uk Sat Apr 18 07:54:45 2020 From: jpn at imixmics.co.uk (John Nottage) Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2020 13:54:45 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Test card ? In-Reply-To: <1d2e8586-54e5-fa38-1f81-7db7f486e724@gmail.com> References: <1d2e8586-54e5-fa38-1f81-7db7f486e724@gmail.com> Message-ID: Love these streaming plays, especially NT Live. One Man Two Guvnors was brilliant - watched it twice. Even enjoyed Treasure Island on Thursday. However, be warned. We tried the Curve Theatre's streaming of Importance of being Earnest. It was obviously recorded using a single camera & mic at the back of the auditorium, so the picture was a tiny mess & the sound was completely useless. We gave up after about a minute! I thought I could pause Treasure Island to put the hedgehogs dinner out at 8:30, but, though it seemed to work, about 10 mins from the end of the play the picture turned into the Treasure Island caption. The sound continued, but with no vision. I had to wait till the end, go back to the start, then jump forward to the last bit & watch it again. I suppose that was because it wasn't uploaded in advance, just live streamed at 7pm. After that you should be able to watch it like any downloaded YouTube video I guess. Watched Phantom of the Opera last night. We plan to watch the Chichester Festival Theatre production of Flowers for Mrs Harris on Monday. https://www.cft.org.uk/flowers-for-mrs-harris-broadcast Hope that's better than The Curve. Mostly I'm "casting" from the phone YouTube app to my Chromecast device which works well. I haven't managed to get any Vimeo videos to work yet. The Vimeo app has a cast button, but none of the Vimeo videos we want to watch seem to be available on the app. I have to set up the laptop & get the videos on the Chrome browser then cast from there. Last time I tried, the video kept stopping, so I gave up & plugged the laptop directly into the TV with an HDMI lead - messy but successful. Happy isolation. John On 18/04/2020 09:46, Alec Bray via Tech1 wrote: > Hi all, > > It is donkey's years since I saw a broadcast? transmitted Test Card (and > that was Test Card C!) > > We have been watching a couple of streaming programmes on YouTube, and > the countdown to the start of the stream? has this: > > Is this for real, or is it just a fancy design?? Your comments ... > > By the way, is there a name for a stream(ing service) which is being > (simultaneously) uploaded from a recording or film?? Some items are > definitely streamed for download as they are being live uploaded, and > are legitimately called "live streaming".? But how do we describe a film > which is being streamed as it is uploaded? It can't be a live stream, > and "stream" on its own implies something already uploaded! > > Keep safe! > > -- > Best Regards > > Alec > > Alec Bray > > alec.bray.2 at gmail.com > mob: 07789 561 346 > home: 0118 981 7502 > > From pat.heigham at amps.net Sat Apr 18 12:02:48 2020 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2020 18:02:48 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] FW: some advice please In-Reply-To: <06680A39-369E-4AE8-B849-0B24EB0C043B@adelefletcher.com> References: <06680A39-369E-4AE8-B849-0B24EB0C043B@adelefletcher.com> Message-ID: <5e9b32b7.1c69fb81.2a415.41f7@mx.google.com> Anyone got any suggestions? Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Adele Fletcher Sent: 18 April 2020 15:39 To: pat.heigham at amps.net Subject: some advice please Hi Pat, How are you? My name is Adele and I?m on Amps council. Hope you and your family are keeping safe and well during these strange times. I was wondering if I could pick your brains on behalf of a friend please? Clive and Brian suggested I get in touch with you as you worked in television. She needs to write some authentic ADR for a scene set in the 1940?s for a TV show. This is what she said to me -? "Hi Adele, I?m just looking for some pointers on what a director/producer could say at the beginning/end of an outside broadcast so not in a studio with red light etc, to indicate beginning and end of recording.? I?m sure you?re far too young to have been working then but do you have any idea of what the lingo might have been please?? Many thanks! Adele Adele Fletcher Dialogue + ADR Editor www.adelefletcher.com 07775 897544 -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From davidvbrunt at gmail.com Sat Apr 18 12:17:47 2020 From: davidvbrunt at gmail.com (David Brunt) Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2020 18:17:47 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] FW: some advice please In-Reply-To: <5e9b32b7.1c69fb81.2a415.41f7@mx.google.com> References: <06680A39-369E-4AE8-B849-0B24EB0C043B@adelefletcher.com> <5e9b32b7.1c69fb81.2a415.41f7@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Couple of thoughts. Hopefully this isn?t set pre-1947... If it?s an OB then it would be broadcast live, not recorded. Unless filmed. From: patheigham via Tech1 Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2020 6:02 PM To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: [Tech1] FW: some advice please Anyone got any suggestions? Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Adele Fletcher Sent: 18 April 2020 15:39 To: pat.heigham at amps.net Subject: some advice please Hi Pat, How are you? My name is Adele and I?m on Amps council. Hope you and your family are keeping safe and well during these strange times. I was wondering if I could pick your brains on behalf of a friend please? Clive and Brian suggested I get in touch with you as you worked in television. She needs to write some authentic ADR for a scene set in the 1940?s for a TV show. This is what she said to me - "Hi Adele, I?m just looking for some pointers on what a director/producer could say at the beginning/end of an outside broadcast so not in a studio with red light etc, to indicate beginning and end of recording.? I?m sure you?re far too young to have been working then but do you have any idea of what the lingo might have been please? Many thanks! 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URL: From graeme.wall at icloud.com Sat Apr 18 12:36:52 2020 From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall) Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2020 18:36:52 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] some advice please In-Reply-To: References: <06680A39-369E-4AE8-B849-0B24EB0C043B@adelefletcher.com> <5e9b32b7.1c69fb81.2a415.41f7@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <5CD17410-BCF2-4928-9E0B-3059E6142FAF@icloud.com> Before 1947 it woud have been in German! ? Graeme Wall > On 18 Apr 2020, at 18:17, David Brunt via Tech1 wrote: > > Couple of thoughts. > > Hopefully this isn?t set pre-1947... > > If it?s an OB then it would be broadcast live, not recorded. Unless filmed. > > > > From: patheigham via Tech1 > Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2020 6:02 PM > To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > Subject: [Tech1] FW: some advice please > > Anyone got any suggestions? > Pat > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > From: Adele Fletcher > Sent: 18 April 2020 15:39 > To: pat.heigham at amps.net > Subject: some advice please > > > Hi Pat, > > How are you? My name is Adele and I?m on Amps council. Hope you and your family are keeping safe and well during these strange times. > > I was wondering if I could pick your brains on behalf of a friend please? Clive and Brian suggested I get in touch with you as you worked in television. She needs to write some authentic ADR for a scene set in the 1940?s for a TV show. This is what she said to me - > > "Hi Adele, I?m just looking for some pointers on what a director/producer could say at the beginning/end of an outside broadcast so not in a studio with red light etc, to indicate beginning and end of recording.? > > I?m sure you?re far too young to have been working then but do you have any idea of what the lingo might have been please? > > Many thanks! > > Adele > Adele Fletcher > Dialogue + ADR Editor > www.adelefletcher.com > 07775 897544 > > > > > > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com > > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From alanaudio at me.com Sat Apr 18 12:47:14 2020 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2020 18:47:14 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] FW: some advice please In-Reply-To: <5e9b32b7.1c69fb81.2a415.41f7@mx.google.com> References: <5e9b32b7.1c69fb81.2a415.41f7@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <8EB5AB9D-C329-4159-8EAD-2091957DE053@me.com> If you want to be authentic for a 1940?s OB, you wouldn?t be talking about recordings because video recorders weren?t going to be invented for another twenty years or so. Live OBs would generally start with a countdown on talkback from a production secretary ( production assistant ) and the director would then cue the action, which would be relayed to the floor manager, who would be wearing long lead STC headphones, who would then cue the people in shot. There was no radio talkback in those days. At the end of the transmission, there may be a countdown from the PA if the show was supposed to end at a specific time and the director would probably say ? ... and cut?. Red lights were used in OB trucks too, but on the set, the only red light visible would be on whichever camera was live. If the OB were an insert into a bigger show, the PA and director might take their cue from an off air feed of that main programme, together with a feed of talkback from the studio ( generally called a four wire - two wire carrying the feed from the studio and the other two wires carrying the reply to the studio ) . If Adele could be more specific about the type of programme, we might be able to come up with something more appropriate for that context. Alan Taylor ? who was most definitely not around in those days, so might be wrong about some of the details, but as far as I know it?s correct. > On 18 Apr 2020, at 18:03, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > > ? > Anyone got any suggestions? > Pat > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > From: Adele Fletcher > Sent: 18 April 2020 15:39 > To: pat.heigham at amps.net > Subject: some advice please > > > Hi Pat, > > How are you? My name is Adele and I?m on Amps council. Hope you and your family are keeping safe and well during these strange times. > > I was wondering if I could pick your brains on behalf of a friend please? Clive and Brian suggested I get in touch with you as you worked in television. She needs to write some authentic ADR for a scene set in the 1940?s for a TV show. This is what she said to me - > > "Hi Adele, I?m just looking for some pointers on what a director/producer could say at the beginning/end of an outside broadcast so not in a studio with red light etc, to indicate beginning and end of recording.? > > I?m sure you?re far too young to have been working then but do you have any idea of what the lingo might have been please? > > Many thanks! > > Adele > Adele Fletcher > Dialogue + ADR Editor > www.adelefletcher.com > 07775 897544 > > > > > > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com Sat Apr 18 13:02:39 2020 From: ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com (Albert Barber) Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2020 19:02:39 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] some advice please In-Reply-To: References: <06680A39-369E-4AE8-B849-0B24EB0C043B@adelefletcher.com> <5e9b32b7.1c69fb81.2a415.41f7@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <685DA8A6-0932-439A-9475-27F31E77CE8D@btinternet.com> Final Checks! We are recording! Stand by everyone we are going for a take! Nice and quiet please! And?.action > On 18 Apr 2020, at 18:17, David Brunt via Tech1 wrote: > > Couple of thoughts. > > Hopefully this isn?t set pre-1947... > > If it?s an OB then it would be broadcast live, not recorded. Unless filmed. > > > > From: patheigham via Tech1 > Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2020 6:02 PM > To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > Subject: [Tech1] FW: some advice please > > Anyone got any suggestions? > Pat > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > From: Adele Fletcher > Sent: 18 April 2020 15:39 > To: pat.heigham at amps.net > Subject: some advice please > > > Hi Pat, > > How are you? My name is Adele and I?m on Amps council. Hope you and your family are keeping safe and well during these strange times. > > I was wondering if I could pick your brains on behalf of a friend please? Clive and Brian suggested I get in touch with you as you worked in television. She needs to write some authentic ADR for a scene set in the 1940?s for a TV show. This is what she said to me - > > "Hi Adele, I?m just looking for some pointers on what a director/producer could say at the beginning/end of an outside broadcast so not in a studio with red light etc, to indicate beginning and end of recording.? > > I?m sure you?re far too young to have been working then but do you have any idea of what the lingo might have been please? > > Many thanks! > > Adele > Adele Fletcher > Dialogue + ADR Editor > www.adelefletcher.com > 07775 897544 > > > > > > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alanaudio at me.com Sat Apr 18 13:31:55 2020 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2020 19:31:55 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] FW: some advice please In-Reply-To: <8EB5AB9D-C329-4159-8EAD-2091957DE053@me.com> References: <8EB5AB9D-C329-4159-8EAD-2091957DE053@me.com> Message-ID: I would also add that old school producers / directors tended to speak with public school accents and OB crews would almost exclusively have been recently demobbed from National Service. Many video engineers came from an RAF radar background and many floor managers, cameramen and sound crews seemed to come from other parts of the RAF too. People who had been army officers often sported military styles of moustaches, while ex naval types often had full beards. Nearly everybody seemed to smoke in those days. Effectively, BBC OBs restarted after the war by gearing up for the 1948 Olympics from Wembley. I don?t know if the original pre war OB MCR was used after the war. I am not aware that it did, or even if it survived the war. If you want the right look, here are a number of useful behind the scenes photographs taken during the broadcasting of the 1948 Olympics. https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p016wnr7/p016wm2d Alan Taylor > On 18 Apr 2020, at 18:47, Alan Taylor wrote: > > ? > If you want to be authentic for a 1940?s OB, you wouldn?t be talking about recordings because video recorders weren?t going to be invented for another twenty years or so. > > Live OBs would generally start with a countdown on talkback from a production secretary ( production assistant ) and the director would then cue the action, which would be relayed to the floor manager, who would be wearing long lead STC headphones, who would then cue the people in shot. There was no radio talkback in those days. > > At the end of the transmission, there may be a countdown from the PA if the show was supposed to end at a specific time and the director would probably say ? ... and cut?. Red lights were used in OB trucks too, but on the set, the only red light visible would be on whichever camera was live. > > If the OB were an insert into a bigger show, the PA and director might take their cue from an off air feed of that main programme, together with a feed of talkback from the studio ( generally called a four wire - two wire carrying the feed from the studio and the other two wires carrying the reply to the studio ) . > > If Adele could be more specific about the type of programme, we might be able to come up with something more appropriate for that context. > > Alan Taylor > ? who was most definitely not around in those days, so might be wrong about some of the details, but as far as I know it?s correct. > >>> On 18 Apr 2020, at 18:03, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: >>> >> ? >> Anyone got any suggestions? >> Pat >> >> Sent from Mail for Windows 10 >> >> From: Adele Fletcher >> Sent: 18 April 2020 15:39 >> To: pat.heigham at amps.net >> Subject: some advice please >> >> >> Hi Pat, >> >> How are you? My name is Adele and I?m on Amps council. Hope you and your family are keeping safe and well during these strange times. >> >> I was wondering if I could pick your brains on behalf of a friend please? Clive and Brian suggested I get in touch with you as you worked in television. She needs to write some authentic ADR for a scene set in the 1940?s for a TV show. This is what she said to me - >> >> "Hi Adele, I?m just looking for some pointers on what a director/producer could say at the beginning/end of an outside broadcast so not in a studio with red light etc, to indicate beginning and end of recording.? >> >> I?m sure you?re far too young to have been working then but do you have any idea of what the lingo might have been please? >> >> Many thanks! >> >> Adele >> Adele Fletcher >> Dialogue + ADR Editor >> www.adelefletcher.com >> 07775 897544 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >> www.avast.com >> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graeme.wall at icloud.com Sat Apr 18 14:22:30 2020 From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall) Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2020 20:22:30 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] some advice please In-Reply-To: References: <8EB5AB9D-C329-4159-8EAD-2091957DE053@me.com> Message-ID: <52E90A9C-0150-4BCE-8511-E2D9462056E0@icloud.com> On the subject of 1940s OBs, this was apparently a BBC radio recording vehicle. ? Graeme Wall -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Wartime radio OB.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 269220 bytes Desc: not available URL: From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Sat Apr 18 15:40:51 2020 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2020 21:40:51 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Video Message-ID: There are lots of very clever people out there with time on their hands, hence the influx of irreverent jokes! 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Cheers, hic, Dave From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Sat Apr 18 17:54:31 2020 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2020 23:54:31 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: Fwd: Lockdown - Week 3! In-Reply-To: <3DB3F2E3-FA75-443C-8DAF-1DC2827B1DF1@microhelpuk.net> References: <3DB3F2E3-FA75-443C-8DAF-1DC2827B1DF1@microhelpuk.net> Message-ID: <89d40b35-07b6-19e8-cf5d-70ca02a8a6b5@btinternet.com> ?It can only get worse! Cheers, Dave > > > ? > > *Teachers Urge Government To > Reopen Schools Before Students > Learn To Think For Themselves* > > *The most effective way of ?social > distancing? is to wear a > Collingwood jumper every time you > go out.* > > > > > > Virus-free. www.avg.com > > > > > > > > Virus-free. www.avg.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Cheers, hic, Dave > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From pat.heigham at amps.net Sun Apr 19 04:17:00 2020 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2020 10:17:00 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] FW: some advice please In-Reply-To: <5e9b3270.1c69fb81.ba902.c350@mx.google.com> References: <06680A39-369E-4AE8-B849-0B24EB0C043B@adelefletcher.com> <5e9b3270.1c69fb81.ba902.c350@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <5e9c170b.1c69fb81.444cf.ce10@mx.google.com> Hi Everyone, Thanks to those who offered comments and suggestions re: early ?talkback? as I interpret the request. I should have posted my reply, so far, which I now do ? it?s not so different to your replies. Any further thoughts, anyone? Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: patheigham Sent: 18 April 2020 18:01 To: Adele Fletcher Subject: RE: some advice please Oof! That?s a tricky one. I attach a link to a timeline of Television history. It appears that OB?s were possible in 1946, as was film telerecording. Probably the mobile control room director might be checking with his cameramen that they were properly framed up and focussed for their first shot and commentators ready etc., and afterwards thanking them on talkback. If you e-mail me a postal address, I could provide a DVD of ?This is the BBC?, which has coverage of a studio play with dialogue from the gallery director, and some footage of horseracing and boat race OB?s. The scenes are rather scripted and stilted, but the general speech delivery would not have changed much, given that the film was made in 1959. Very polite and gentlemanly! Not possible to check the recording as videotape wasn?t around, then, and film telerecording had to be processed and viewed the next day. TV was shut down in the war years. Unfortunately I don?t know any elderly directors still alive, but I?ll post this request to the ex-BBC Tech-ops chat site. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_BBC_Television_Service#1940s Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 She needs to write some authentic ADR for a scene set in the 1940?s for a TV show. This is what she said to me -? "Hi Adele, I?m just looking for some pointers on what a director/producer could say at the beginning/end of an outside broadcast so not in a studio with red light etc, to indicate beginning and end of recording.? -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rogerbunce at btinternet.com Sun Apr 19 06:31:58 2020 From: rogerbunce at btinternet.com (ROGER BUNCE) Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2020 11:31:58 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Tech1] FW: some advice please In-Reply-To: <5e9c170b.1c69fb81.444cf.ce10@mx.google.com> References: <06680A39-369E-4AE8-B849-0B24EB0C043B@adelefletcher.com> <5e9b3270.1c69fb81.ba902.c350@mx.google.com> <5e9c170b.1c69fb81.444cf.ce10@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <1465320685.926573.1587295918955@mail.yahoo.com> A belated contribution - a Pathe Newsreel shows the restart of TV from Alexandra Palace in 1946. Cecil Madden directs rehearsals, with the words, ?Now, Cameras, please. Here are the instructions. I?m using all three of you in this scene . . . Camera One, I want you back, most of the time, for a postcard effect . . . Number Two, stay screwed up high, then turn and dolly onto the set.? Evidently, the terminology of television direction had not yet become standardised. (see the Tech-Ops website.) But if it's a live broadcast, as it went on air, everything would be triggered by listening to the P.A.'s countdown. On zero, the Director might tape the pipe out of his mouth and say things like, "Cue grams - Fade up picture (if it starts from black) - Super caption (if there is one) - Fade Caption - Fade Grams - Cue Bob Danvers-Walker (or Mr. Chumley-Warner, or whoever has the lip-ribbon under his moustache that day.)" etc. A mistake sometimes made Actors, pretending to be Directors is that when the say, "Cue!", they like to build their part by saying, "And Cuoooooooe!". They need to be told that the whole point of saying a short word like "Cue" is - well, we all know that don't we?' luv, Rog. On Sunday, 19 April 2020, 10:17:35 BST, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: Hi Everyone, Thanks to those who offered comments and suggestions re: early ?talkback? as I interpret the request. I should have posted my reply, so far, which I now do ? it?s not so different to your replies. Any further thoughts, anyone? Pat ? Sent from Mail for Windows 10 ? From: patheigham Sent: 18 April 2020 18:01 To: Adele Fletcher Subject: RE: some advice please ? Oof! That?s a tricky one. I attach a link to a timeline of Television history. It appears that OB?s were possible in 1946, as was film telerecording. Probably the mobile control room director might be checking with his cameramen that they were properly framed up and focussed for their first shot and commentators ready etc., and afterwards thanking them on talkback. If you e-mail me a postal address, I could provide a DVD of ?This is the BBC?, which has coverage of a studio play with dialogue from the gallery director, and some footage of horseracing and boat race OB?s. The scenes are rather scripted and stilted, but the general speech delivery would not have changed much, given that the film was made in 1959. Very polite and gentlemanly! Not possible to check the recording as videotape wasn?t around, then, and film telerecording had to be processed and viewed the next day. TV was shut down in the war years. Unfortunately I don?t know any elderly directors still alive, but I?ll post this request to the ex-BBC Tech-ops chat site. ? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_BBC_Television_Service#1940s ? Pat ? Sent from Mail for Windows 10 ? She needs to write some authentic ADR for a scene set in the 1940?s for a TV show. This is what she said to me -? "Hi Adele, I?m just looking for some pointers on what a director/producer could say at the beginning/end of an outside broadcast so not in a studio with red light etc, to indicate beginning and end of recording.? ? | | This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com | -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From waresound at msn.com Sun Apr 19 07:23:35 2020 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2020 12:23:35 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] FW: some advice please In-Reply-To: <1465320685.926573.1587295918955@mail.yahoo.com> References: <06680A39-369E-4AE8-B849-0B24EB0C043B@adelefletcher.com> <5e9b3270.1c69fb81.ba902.c350@mx.google.com> <5e9c170b.1c69fb81.444cf.ce10@mx.google.com>, <1465320685.926573.1587295918955@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Yes, I found that too. YouTube is always a good place to start looking. Might I suggest, try to find out exactly what this ADR person is trying to do? There are plenty of folk here who would get it spot-on. One of my all time favourite films ?Theatre of Blood? starring Vincent Price as a Shakespearian actor, with an all star cast, includes a TV OB scene where the whole TV process is so wrong, it?s truly wonderful! And all because it?s made by Film people, bless ?em. As was common at the time, Theatre of Blood was all shot on location, and is a fabulous time capsule in its own right. By the way, ?This is the BBC? can be got from the BFI Film Library, thereby supporting their efforts, rather than pirating a copy. My copy came as a bundled extra with the classic BBC ?I Claudius? documentary (from BFI). Cheers, Nick. Sent from my iPad mini 5 On 19 Apr 2020, at 12:34, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 wrote: ? A belated contribution - a Pathe Newsreel shows the restart of TV from Alexandra Palace in 1946. Cecil Madden directs rehearsals, with the words, ?Now, Cameras, please. Here are the instructions. I?m using all three of you in this scene . . . Camera One, I want you back, most of the time, for a postcard effect . . . Number Two, stay screwed up high, then turn and dolly onto the set.? Evidently, the terminology of television direction had not yet become standardised. (see the Tech-Ops website.) But if it's a live broadcast, as it went on air, everything would be triggered by listening to the P.A.'s countdown. On zero, the Director might tape the pipe out of his mouth and say things like, "Cue grams - Fade up picture (if it starts from black) - Super caption (if there is one) - Fade Caption - Fade Grams - Cue Bob Danvers-Walker (or Mr. Chumley-Warner, or whoever has the lip-ribbon under his moustache that day.)" etc. A mistake sometimes made Actors, pretending to be Directors is that when the say, "Cue!", they like to build their part by saying, "And Cuoooooooe!". They need to be told that the whole point of saying a short word like "Cue" is - well, we all know that don't we?' luv, Rog. On Sunday, 19 April 2020, 10:17:35 BST, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: Hi Everyone, Thanks to those who offered comments and suggestions re: early ?talkback? as I interpret the request. I should have posted my reply, so far, which I now do ? it?s not so different to your replies. Any further thoughts, anyone? Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: patheigham Sent: 18 April 2020 18:01 To: Adele Fletcher Subject: RE: some advice please Oof! That?s a tricky one. I attach a link to a timeline of Television history. It appears that OB?s were possible in 1946, as was film telerecording. Probably the mobile control room director might be checking with his cameramen that they were properly framed up and focussed for their first shot and commentators ready etc., and afterwards thanking them on talkback. If you e-mail me a postal address, I could provide a DVD of ?This is the BBC?, which has coverage of a studio play with dialogue from the gallery director, and some footage of horseracing and boat race OB?s. The scenes are rather scripted and stilted, but the general speech delivery would not have changed much, given that the film was made in 1959. Very polite and gentlemanly! Not possible to check the recording as videotape wasn?t around, then, and film telerecording had to be processed and viewed the next day. TV was shut down in the war years. Unfortunately I don?t know any elderly directors still alive, but I?ll post this request to the ex-BBC Tech-ops chat site. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_BBC_Television_Service#1940s Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 She needs to write some authentic ADR for a scene set in the 1940?s for a TV show. This is what she said to me - "Hi Adele, I?m just looking for some pointers on what a director/producer could say at the beginning/end of an outside broadcast so not in a studio with red light etc, to indicate beginning and end of recording.? ________________________________ [Avast logo] This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Sun Apr 19 07:25:24 2020 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2020 13:25:24 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] FW: some advice please In-Reply-To: <1465320685.926573.1587295918955@mail.yahoo.com> References: <06680A39-369E-4AE8-B849-0B24EB0C043B@adelefletcher.com> <5e9b3270.1c69fb81.ba902.c350@mx.google.com> <5e9c170b.1c69fb81.444cf.ce10@mx.google.com> <1465320685.926573.1587295918955@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5e9c4334.1c69fb81.fdf7a.c4e2@mx.google.com> Thanks, Roger, I?ve managed to find the item off Pathe?s website; https://www.britishpathe.com/video/televisions-dress-rehearsal-aka-televisions-dress/query/Alexandra+Palace Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 Sent: 19 April 2020 12:34 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk; patheigham Subject: Re: [Tech1] FW: some advice please A belated contribution - a Pathe Newsreel shows the restart of TV from Alexandra Palace in 1946. Cecil Madden directs rehearsals, with the words, ?Now, Cameras, please. Here are the instructions. I?m using all three of you in this scene . . . Camera One, I want you back, most of the time, for a postcard effect . . . Number Two, stay screwed up high, then turn and dolly onto the set.? Evidently, the terminology of television direction had not yet become standardised. (see the Tech-Ops website.) But if it's a live broadcast, as it went on air, everything would be triggered by listening to the P.A.'s countdown. On zero, the Director might take the pipe out of his mouth and say things like, "Cue grams - Fade up picture (if it starts from black) - Super caption (if there is one) - Fade Caption - Fade Grams - Cue Bob Danvers-Walker (or Mr. Chumley-Warner, or whoever has the lip-ribbon under his moustache that day.)" etc. A mistake sometimes made Actors, pretending to be Directors is that when the say, "Cue!", they like to build their part by saying, "And Cuoooooooe!". They need to be told that the whole point of saying a short word like "Cue" is - well, we all know that don't we?' luv, Rog. On Sunday, 19 April 2020, 10:17:35 BST, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: Hi Everyone, Thanks to those who offered comments and suggestions re: early ?talkback? as I interpret the request. I should have posted my reply, so far, which I now do ? it?s not so different to your replies. Any further thoughts, anyone? Pat ? Sent from Mail for Windows 10 ? From: patheigham Sent: 18 April 2020 18:01 To: Adele Fletcher Subject: RE: some advice please ? Oof! That?s a tricky one. I attach a link to a timeline of Television history. It appears that OB?s were possible in 1946, as was film telerecording. Probably the mobile control room director might be checking with his cameramen that they were properly framed up and focussed for their first shot and commentators ready etc., and afterwards thanking them on talkback. If you e-mail me a postal address, I could provide a DVD of ?This is the BBC?, which has coverage of a studio play with dialogue from the gallery director, and some footage of horseracing and boat race OB?s. The scenes are rather scripted and stilted, but the general speech delivery would not have changed much, given that the film was made in 1959. Very polite and gentlemanly! Not possible to check the recording as videotape wasn?t around, then, and film telerecording had to be processed and viewed the next day. TV was shut down in the war years. Unfortunately I don?t know any elderly directors still alive, but I?ll post this request to the ex-BBC Tech-ops chat site. ? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_BBC_Television_Service#1940s ? Pat ? Sent from Mail for Windows 10 ? She needs to write some authentic ADR for a scene set in the 1940?s for a TV show. This is what she said to me -? "Hi Adele, I?m just looking for some pointers on what a director/producer could say at the beginning/end of an outside broadcast so not in a studio with red light etc, to indicate beginning and end of recording.? ? This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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There are plenty of folk here who would get it spot-on. One of my all time favourite films ?Theatre of Blood? starring Vincent Price as a Shakespearian actor, with an all star cast, includes a TV OB scene where the whole TV process is so wrong, it?s truly wonderful! And all because it?s made by Film people, bless ?em. As was common at the time, Theatre of Blood was all shot on location, and is a fabulous time capsule in its own right. By the way, ?This is the BBC? can be got from the BFI Film Library, thereby supporting their efforts, rather than pirating a copy. My copy came as a bundled extra with the classic BBC ?I Claudius? documentary (from BFI). Cheers, Nick. Sent from my iPad mini 5 -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Kate Sent: 19 April 2020 18:22 To: Adele Fletcher Cc: patheigham Subject: Re: some advice please Thanks so much to both of you on this sunny weekend. I probably wasn?t clear enough in my original query as it?s an outside radio broadcast but we are obviously watching it be recorded/broadcast. So sorry. I?ve got some possibilities from another lead though. Thanks again.? Best, Kate? Sent from my iPhone On 19 Apr 2020, at 16:48, Adele Fletcher wrote: ? Pat, thank you so much for all the effort you put into following this up on my behalf. Very helpful, many thanks! Adele - - -? Adele Fletcher Dialogue + ADR Editor adelefletcher.com 07775 897544 On 19 Apr 2020, at 13:44, patheigham wrote: ? Hi Adele, Here?s a digest of what my ex-BBC colleagues have rendered. It?s a Word document so can be easily printed out. Best Pat ? Sent from Mail for Windows 10 ? -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alawrance1 at me.com Sun Apr 19 13:06:50 2020 From: alawrance1 at me.com (Alasdair Lawrance) Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2020 19:06:50 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] FW: some advice please In-Reply-To: <5e9c8e81.1c69fb81.36d70.736f@mx.google.com> References: <5e9c8e81.1c69fb81.36d70.736f@mx.google.com> Message-ID: That?s usually a problem faced by the young, Pat..... Alasdair Lawrance Don?t blame me, I voted Remain. > On 19 Apr 2020, at 18:47, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > > ? > After all that effort, us dogs got the wrong tree! > As Adele had said she was looking for advice, as I had worked in television, I assumed it was TV, not radio. > I was wondering if I could pick your brains on behalf of a friend please? Clive and Brian suggested I get in touch with you as you worked in television. She needs to write some authentic ADR for a scene set in the 1940?s for a TV show. > > Grrrr. > > But thank you, everyone for replying ? Nick, you were quite right, more info was obviously required. At my age I had a premature ?reaction?. > Pat > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > From: Kate > Sent: 19 April 2020 18:22 > To: Adele Fletcher > Cc: patheigham > Subject: Re: some advice please > > Thanks so much to both of you on this sunny weekend. I probably wasn?t clear enough in my original query as it?s an outside radio broadcast but we are obviously watching it be recorded/broadcast. So sorry. I?ve got some possibilities from another lead though. > > Thanks again. > > Best, > > Kate > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On 19 Apr 2020, at 16:48, Adele Fletcher wrote: > > ? > > Pat, thank you so much for all the effort you put into following this up on my behalf. > > Very helpful, many thanks! > > Adele > > - - - > > > Adele Fletcher > Dialogue + ADR Editor > > adelefletcher.com > 07775 897544 > > > On 19 Apr 2020, at 13:44, patheigham wrote: > > ? > Hi Adele, > Here?s a digest of what my ex-BBC colleagues have rendered. > It?s a Word document so can be easily printed out. > Best > Pat > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > > > > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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But thank you, everyone for replying ? Nick, you were quite right, more info was obviously required. At my age I had a premature ?reaction?. Pat ? Sent from Mail for Windows 10 ? From: Kate Sent: 19 April 2020 18:22 To: Adele Fletcher Cc: patheigham Subject: Re: some advice please ? Thanks so much to both of you on this sunny weekend. I probably wasn?t clear enough in my original query as it?s an outside radio broadcast but we are obviously watching it be recorded/broadcast. So sorry. I?ve got some possibilities from another lead though. ? Thanks again.? ? Best, ? Kate? ? ? Sent from my iPhone On 19 Apr 2020, at 16:48, Adele Fletcher wrote: ? ? Pat, thank you so much for all the effort you put into following this up on my behalf. ? Very helpful, many thanks! ? Adele ? - - -? Adele Fletcher Dialogue + ADR Editor adelefletcher.com 07775 897544 On 19 Apr 2020, at 13:44, patheigham wrote: ? Hi Adele, Here?s a digest of what my ex-BBC colleagues have rendered. It?s a Word document so can be easily printed out. Best Pat ? Sent from Mail for Windows 10 ? ? | | This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com | -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From waresound at msn.com Sun Apr 19 14:30:42 2020 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2020 19:30:42 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] FW: some advice please In-Reply-To: <1972465320.1214150.1587322359422@mail.yahoo.com> References: <5e9c8e81.1c69fb81.36d70.736f@mx.google.com>, <1972465320.1214150.1587322359422@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Sometimes it?s best just not to get involved........ But I do recommend Theatre of Blood, though. Just Google ?Theatre of Blood cast? and you?ll see why! Cheers, Nick. Sent from my iPad mini 5 On 19 Apr 2020, at 19:53, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 wrote: ? And I was just about to type out a whole scene from "The Quatermass Experiment", just because it was set in an O.B. Scanner! luv, Rog. On Sunday, 19 April 2020, 18:47:10 BST, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: After all that effort, us dogs got the wrong tree! As Adele had said she was looking for advice, as I had worked in television, I assumed it was TV, not radio. I was wondering if I could pick your brains on behalf of a friend please? Clive and Brian suggested I get in touch with you as you worked in television. She needs to write some authentic ADR for a scene set in the 1940?s for a TV show. Grrrr. But thank you, everyone for replying ? Nick, you were quite right, more info was obviously required. At my age I had a premature ?reaction?. Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Kate Sent: 19 April 2020 18:22 To: Adele Fletcher Cc: patheigham Subject: Re: some advice please Thanks so much to both of you on this sunny weekend. I probably wasn?t clear enough in my original query as it?s an outside radio broadcast but we are obviously watching it be recorded/broadcast. So sorry. I?ve got some possibilities from another lead though. Thanks again. Best, Kate Sent from my iPhone On 19 Apr 2020, at 16:48, Adele Fletcher wrote: ? Pat, thank you so much for all the effort you put into following this up on my behalf. Very helpful, many thanks! Adele - - - Adele Fletcher Dialogue + ADR Editor adelefletcher.com 07775 897544 On 19 Apr 2020, at 13:44, patheigham wrote: ? Hi Adele, Here?s a digest of what my ex-BBC colleagues have rendered. It?s a Word document so can be easily printed out. Best Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 ________________________________ [Avast logo] This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alanaudio at me.com Sun Apr 19 14:34:18 2020 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2020 20:34:18 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] One World Message-ID: <26CCE6E0-7B70-4E4D-AAE7-2C144FC81CE6@me.com> I stayed up until about 02:30 last night watching the live stream and was generally quite impressed and often intrigued about how they accomplished what they did. This evening I started watching the BBC compilation of it and found it utterly frustrating. Even on those occasions when they actually feature a musician?s performance, they can?t leave it alone, they keep panning the camera around the BBC set instead. Why ? It?s not even a very interesting set. The live stream certainly had it?s quota of duff spots, but the BBC show so far has managed to add duff bits into places where there previously weren?t any. A few minutes ago we had ?? coming up ?? with a clip of a couple of forthcoming acts, but that?s usually a ploy to keep attention before a commercial break. On the BBC it?s just an unnecessary irritation. To my mind a highlight show should mainly consist of, well, you know ? highlights. They have diminished the show I saw last night and I?ve now given up on it, which is a shame because the fundamental raisin d??tre is a subject extremely close to my heart as my wife works in a critical care ward, dealing with the most contagious category of aerosol emitting Covid patients. This is pic of her dressed for work on Friday and she will be repeating this every day she?s working for the foreseeable future ( subject to availability of PPE ). -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image2.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 60649 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- Why do production teams have to interfere and mess up something which was perfectly watchable and indeed quite enjoyable in its original form? Last night there was a slight sense of Live Aid about it and certainly a buzz about it. This evening?s show portrayed nothing of that. Alan Taylor From davidvbrunt at gmail.com Sun Apr 19 14:40:07 2020 From: davidvbrunt at gmail.com (David Brunt) Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2020 20:40:07 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] One World In-Reply-To: <26CCE6E0-7B70-4E4D-AAE7-2C144FC81CE6@me.com> References: <26CCE6E0-7B70-4E4D-AAE7-2C144FC81CE6@me.com> Message-ID: The full original version is on youtube. It's much much better. -----Original Message----- From: Alan Taylor via Tech1 Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2020 8:34 PM To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat Subject: [Tech1] One World I stayed up until about 02:30 last night watching the live stream and was generally quite impressed and often intrigued about how they accomplished what they did. This evening I started watching the BBC compilation of it and found it utterly frustrating. Even on those occasions when they actually feature a musician?s performance, they can?t leave it alone, they keep panning the camera around the BBC set instead. Why ? It?s not even a very interesting set. The live stream certainly had it?s quota of duff spots, but the BBC show so far has managed to add duff bits into places where there previously weren?t any. A few minutes ago we had ?? coming up ?? with a clip of a couple of forthcoming acts, but that?s usually a ploy to keep attention before a commercial break. On the BBC it?s just an unnecessary irritation. To my mind a highlight show should mainly consist of, well, you know ? highlights. They have diminished the show I saw last night and I?ve now given up on it, which is a shame because the fundamental raisin d??tre is a subject extremely close to my heart as my wife works in a critical care ward, dealing with the most contagious category of aerosol emitting Covid patients. This is pic of her dressed for work on Friday and she will be repeating this every day she?s working for the foreseeable future ( subject to availability of PPE ). Why do production teams have to interfere and mess up something which was perfectly watchable and indeed quite enjoyable in its original form? Last night there was a slight sense of Live Aid about it and certainly a buzz about it. This evening?s show portrayed nothing of that. Alan Taylor -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From Waresound at msn.com Sun Apr 19 17:11:52 2020 From: Waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2020 22:11:52 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] This is the BBC In-Reply-To: <5e9c7923.1c69fb81.ffb40.102d@mx.google.com> References: <06680A39-369E-4AE8-B849-0B24EB0C043B@adelefletcher.com> <5e9b3270.1c69fb81.ba902.c350@mx.google.com> <5e9c170b.1c69fb81.444cf.ce10@mx.google.com>, <1465320685.926573.1587295918955@mail.yahoo.com> , <5e9c7923.1c69fb81.ffb40.102d@mx.google.com> Message-ID: I think it was a bonus track on the DVD, which at the moment I can?t find. Poss in the loft since our house move. I?lll find it when I?m next up there. Nick. Sent from my iPad mini 5 On 19 Apr 2020, at 17:15, patheigham wrote: ? Hi Nick, I?ve got two copies of this film, one from Bernie, and one from the Alexandra Palace Historical Society, but would love a (possibly better) one from a commercial outlet. I?ve had no joy with hunting it from the BFI, or anywhere else. Was your copy a separate disc or used as an ?extra? on the Claudius discs? I should point out that I have supported the BFI by purchasing DVDs of stuff I worked on, that they offered. ?The Year of the Sex Olympics? being one. Sadly only in B/W as the colour tapes had been wiped, and all that remained was a B/W telerecording. Also, the whole box set of ?Out of the Unknown?. I had been dropped on to do an on-camera interview since I had worked on a couple, both originals now non-existent. That was quite pricey, as was ?Sex Olympics?, but it?s nice for the memories. 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Alan Taylor From ohbytheway.tv at gmail.com Mon Apr 20 02:22:49 2020 From: ohbytheway.tv at gmail.com (David Denness) Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2020 08:22:49 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Who needs audio professionals any more? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000e01d616e4$7fb87d40$7f2977c0$@gmail.com> Some can.... -----Original Message----- From: Tech1 On Behalf Of Alan Taylor via Tech1 Sent: 20 April 2020 08:10 To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat Subject: [Tech1] Who needs audio professionals any more? The One World concert showed that artists can work perfectly well without pesky audio professionals getting involved. From robert.miles at soundsuper.co.uk Mon Apr 20 05:34:20 2020 From: robert.miles at soundsuper.co.uk (Robert Miles) Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2020 11:34:20 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Who needs audio professionals any more? Message-ID: <000101d616ff$40ae88e0$c20b9aa0$@soundsuper.co.uk> Mmmm....... Wondering why she appears to be singing on the back of a U47 set to Cardioid!! -----Original Message----- From: Tech1 [mailto:tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk] On Behalf Of Alan Taylor via Tech1 Sent: 20 April 2020 08:10 To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat Subject: [Tech1] Who needs audio professionals any more? The One World concert showed that artists can work perfectly well without pesky audio professionals getting involved. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image1.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 70419 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: Untitled attachment 00027.txt URL: -------------- next part -------------- An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: Untitled attachment 00030.txt URL: From bernie833 at gmail.com Mon Apr 20 05:44:51 2020 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2020 11:44:51 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Who needs audio professionals any more? In-Reply-To: <000101d616ff$40ae88e0$c20b9aa0$@soundsuper.co.uk> References: <000101d616ff$40ae88e0$c20b9aa0$@soundsuper.co.uk> Message-ID: <6f4f8d27-9af4-4929-efa5-37a1d3ad88ea@gmail.com> Is that a way of getting indirect sound, bounced off the walls?? Don't attack me, I'm not a sound man. B On 20/04/2020 11:34, Robert Miles via Tech1 wrote: > Mmmm....... Wondering why she appears to be singing on the back of a U47 set > to Cardioid!! > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tech1 [mailto:tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk] On Behalf Of Alan Taylor > via Tech1 > Sent: 20 April 2020 08:10 > To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat > Subject: [Tech1] Who needs audio professionals any more? > > The One World concert showed that artists can work perfectly well without > pesky audio professionals getting involved. > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From grahamthecameraman at icloud.com Mon Apr 20 05:50:59 2020 From: grahamthecameraman at icloud.com (Graham Maunder) Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2020 11:50:59 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Who needs audio professionals any more? In-Reply-To: <000101d616ff$40ae88e0$c20b9aa0$@soundsuper.co.uk> References: <000101d616ff$40ae88e0$c20b9aa0$@soundsuper.co.uk> Message-ID: It makes her sound better??!!!! Graham Maunder > On 20 Apr 2020, at 11:34, Robert Miles via Tech1 wrote: > > Mmmm....... Wondering why she appears to be singing on the back of a U47 set > to Cardioid!! > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tech1 [mailto:tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk] On Behalf Of Alan Taylor > via Tech1 > Sent: 20 April 2020 08:10 > To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat > Subject: [Tech1] Who needs audio professionals any more? > > The One World concert showed that artists can work perfectly well without > pesky audio professionals getting involved. > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk Mon Apr 20 06:05:01 2020 From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf) Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2020 12:05:01 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Who needs audio professionals any more? In-Reply-To: <6f4f8d27-9af4-4929-efa5-37a1d3ad88ea@gmail.com> References: <000101d616ff$40ae88e0$c20b9aa0$@soundsuper.co.uk> <6f4f8d27-9af4-4929-efa5-37a1d3ad88ea@gmail.com> Message-ID: <96ddefd9-9c92-d5db-df38-178b691b7f3b@chriswoolf.co.uk> Nah! Just gives that super-warm, all bass tip-up and no top they think is "retro"... But actually it is because the badge is on the front and they want to show the camera they can afford a vintage Neumann mic;} Chris Woolf On 20/04/2020 11:44, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: > Is that a way of getting indirect sound, bounced off the walls?? Don't > attack me, I'm not a sound man. > > B > > > > On 20/04/2020 11:34, Robert Miles via Tech1 wrote: >> Mmmm....... Wondering why she appears to be singing on the back of a U47 set >> to Cardioid!! >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Tech1 [mailto:tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk] On Behalf Of Alan Taylor >> via Tech1 >> Sent: 20 April 2020 08:10 >> To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat >> Subject: [Tech1] Who needs audio professionals any more? >> >> The One World concert showed that artists can work perfectly well without >> pesky audio professionals getting involved. >> >> >> > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alanaudio at me.com Mon Apr 20 06:07:42 2020 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2020 12:07:42 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Who needs audio professionals any more? In-Reply-To: <6f4f8d27-9af4-4929-efa5-37a1d3ad88ea@gmail.com> References: <000101d616ff$40ae88e0$c20b9aa0$@soundsuper.co.uk> <6f4f8d27-9af4-4929-efa5-37a1d3ad88ea@gmail.com> Message-ID: <8EE3B529-2C0B-4D58-8377-F48D4E355403@me.com> Meanwhile, Lady Gaga's grandmother shows an interest in astronomy ? Alan Taylor On 20 Apr 2020, at 20 Apr . 11:44, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: > Is that a way of getting indirect sound, bounced off the walls? Don't attack me, I'm not a sound man. > > B > > > > On 20/04/2020 11:34, Robert Miles via Tech1 wrote: >> Mmmm....... Wondering why she appears to be singing on the back of a U47 set >> to Cardioid!! >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Tech1 [mailto:tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk] On Behalf Of Alan Taylor >> via Tech1 >> Sent: 20 April 2020 08:10 >> To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat >> Subject: [Tech1] Who needs audio professionals any more? >> >> The One World concert showed that artists can work perfectly well without >> pesky audio professionals getting involved. >> >> >> > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Don't attack me, I'm not a sound man. B On 20/04/2020 11:34, Robert Miles via Tech1 wrote: Mmmm....... Wondering why she appears to be singing on the back of a U47 set to Cardioid!! -----Original Message----- From: Tech1 [mailto:tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk] On Behalf Of Alan Taylor via Tech1 Sent: 20 April 2020 08:10 To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat Subject: [Tech1] Who needs audio professionals any more? The One World concert showed that artists can work perfectly well without pesky audio professionals getting involved. -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gordonblockley34 at gmail.com Mon Apr 20 08:53:03 2020 From: gordonblockley34 at gmail.com (Gordon blockley) Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2020 14:53:03 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Who needs audio professionals any more? In-Reply-To: References: <96ddefd9-9c92-d5db-df38-178b691b7f3b@chriswoolf.co.uk> Message-ID: <088F75C5-09CA-4C85-A7CD-39F9846ADDFC@gmail.com> This is no longer valid Sent from my iPad > On 20 Apr 2020, at 14:05, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: > > I didn?t see that bit, but judging by some of the others, what makes you chaps even think the mic was plugged into anything? > Cheers, > Nick. > Sent from my iPad mini 5 > >> On 20 Apr 2020, at 12:04, Chris Woolf via Tech1 wrote: >> ? >> Nah! Just gives that super-warm, all bass tip-up and no top they think is "retro"... >> >> But actually it is because the badge is on the front and they want to show the camera they can afford a vintage Neumann mic;} >> >> Chris Woolf >> >> >> >>> On 20/04/2020 11:44, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: >>> Is that a way of getting indirect sound, bounced off the walls? Don't attack me, I'm not a sound man. >>> >>> B >>> >>> >>> >>>> On 20/04/2020 11:34, Robert Miles via Tech1 wrote: >>>> Mmmm....... Wondering why she appears to be singing on the back of a U47 set >>>> to Cardioid!! >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Tech1 [mailto:tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk] On Behalf Of Alan Taylor >>>> via Tech1 >>>> Sent: 20 April 2020 08:10 >>>> To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat >>>> Subject: [Tech1] Who needs audio professionals any more? >>>> >>>> The One World concert showed that artists can work perfectly well without >>>> pesky audio professionals getting involved. >>>> >>>> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alanaudio at me.com Mon Apr 20 09:04:50 2020 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2020 15:04:50 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Who needs audio professionals any more? In-Reply-To: References: <96ddefd9-9c92-d5db-df38-178b691b7f3b@chriswoolf.co.uk> Message-ID: <79655278-CCD0-4FC7-A11B-306CD2D14D74@me.com> > what makes you chaps even think the mic was plugged into anything? Whether the microphone was plugged in or not, the pop shield was still positioned on the wrong side. It reminds me of a time when a local cameraman wanted to work solo, without paying for a sound guy as it would be such a simple shoot. He needed to record one reporter doing two or three brief pieces to camera, along with a stereo atmos track. He hired one of my Neumann RSM191 stereo gun mics. As those mics are complex and can be a bit confusing, I set up the matrix box so that everything would be appropriate for his purposes and told him to simply disconnect the microphone lead, leaving the matrix box connected to the camera and not to change any of the settings. After the shoot was over, he angrily confronted me insisting that the microphone was useless and that the quality of the recording was unacceptable. I went round to his place to listen to the rushes and indeed the noises off were rather prominent, the microphone didn't seem to be at all directional. Then at one point the microphone popped into shot and I spotted that the end of the Rycote with the cable emerging from it was pointing at the reporter. It was obvious that he had been using the microphone upside down throughout the entire shoot. There is a trap for the unwary ( and also for cameramen who don't listen to explanations ) when using the RSM191 in it's Rycote windshield, because if you think of the handle as being in the middle of the windshield, the short end of the windshield houses the front and should face the artist, while the longer end is the back. The assembly looks the opposite way round to most other gun mics, however the microphone cable always emerges from the back half of the Rycote on all gun mic windshields. Having said all that, the sound quality picked up on the back of the Neumann was actually pretty clean and decent. It's just that the sound of everything else nearby was so much louder. Alan Taylor On 20 Apr 2020, at 20 Apr . 14:05, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: > I didn?t see that bit, but judging by some of the others, what makes you chaps even think the mic was plugged into anything? > Cheers, > Nick. > Sent from my iPad mini 5 > >> On 20 Apr 2020, at 12:04, Chris Woolf via Tech1 wrote: >> >> ? >> Nah! Just gives that super-warm, all bass tip-up and no top they think is "retro"... >> >> But actually it is because the badge is on the front and they want to show the camera they can afford a vintage Neumann mic;} >> >> Chris Woolf >> >> >> >> On 20/04/2020 11:44, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: >>> Is that a way of getting indirect sound, bounced off the walls? Don't attack me, I'm not a sound man. >>> >>> B >>> >>> >>> >>> On 20/04/2020 11:34, Robert Miles via Tech1 wrote: >>>> Mmmm....... Wondering why she appears to be singing on the back of a U47 set >>>> to Cardioid!! >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Tech1 [mailto:tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk] On Behalf Of Alan Taylor >>>> via Tech1 >>>> Sent: 20 April 2020 08:10 >>>> To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat >>>> Subject: [Tech1] Who needs audio professionals any more? >>>> >>>> The One World concert showed that artists can work perfectly well without >>>> pesky audio professionals getting involved. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From doug at puddifoot.me Mon Apr 20 11:03:52 2020 From: doug at puddifoot.me (Puddifoot(Doug)) Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2020 17:03:52 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Who needs professionals any more? In-Reply-To: <79655278-CCD0-4FC7-A11B-306CD2D14D74@me.com> References: <96ddefd9-9c92-d5db-df38-178b691b7f3b@chriswoolf.co.uk> <79655278-CCD0-4FC7-A11B-306CD2D14D74@me.com> Message-ID: <83E6797E488D43B5A125B015D3A4A971@DESKTOPEU8OIGJ> I know this to be true because I was sitting with the news intake editor at the time. A very new and CHEAP freelance cameraman was doing a news shift. It was the BBC?s turn to do the pool coverage of the Queen opening of a sports centre and said freelance was dispatched. He phoned in to say that he had been sent to the wrong place as he was the only one there. When asked where he was, he replied ?By the pool? Doug Puddifoot It reminds me of a time when a local cameraman wanted to work solo, without paying for a sound guy as it would be such a simple shoot. He needed to record one reporter doing two or three brief pieces to camera, along with a stereo atmos track. He hired one of my Neumann RSM191 stereo gun mics. As those mics are complex and can be a bit confusing, I set up the matrix box so that everything would be appropriate for his purposes and told him to simply disconnect the microphone lead, leaving the matrix box connected to the camera and not to change any of the settings. After the shoot was over, he angrily confronted me insisting that the microphone was useless and that the quality of the recording was unacceptable. I went round to his place to listen to the rushes and indeed the noises off were rather prominent, the microphone didn't seem to be at all directional. Then at one point the microphone popped into shot and I spotted that the end of the Rycote with the cable emerging from it was pointing at the reporter. It was obvious that he had been using the microphone upside down throughout the entire shoot. There is a trap for the unwary ( and also for cameramen who don't listen to explanations ) when using the RSM191 in it's Rycote windshield, because if you think of the handle as being in the middle of the windshield, the short end of the windshield houses the front and should face the artist, while the longer end is the back. The assembly looks the opposite way round to most other gun mics, however the microphone cable always emerges from the back half of the Rycote on all gun mic windshields. Having said all that, the sound quality picked up on the back of the Neumann was actually pretty clean and decent. It's just that the sound of everything else nearby was so much louder. Alan Taylor -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graeme.wall at icloud.com Mon Apr 20 11:28:21 2020 From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall) Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2020 17:28:21 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Who needs professionals any more? In-Reply-To: <83E6797E488D43B5A125B015D3A4A971@DESKTOPEU8OIGJ> References: <96ddefd9-9c92-d5db-df38-178b691b7f3b@chriswoolf.co.uk> <79655278-CCD0-4FC7-A11B-306CD2D14D74@me.com> <83E6797E488D43B5A125B015D3A4A971@DESKTOPEU8OIGJ> Message-ID: <89F54C37-607E-438C-A4A3-7E010C466C29@icloud.com> Bit like Meridian?s cheap freelance cameramen who were sent to wait outside the local courts to see the defendant in a major case arriving. So they did just that, didn?t take the camera with them though? ? Graeme Wall > On 20 Apr 2020, at 17:03, Puddifoot(Doug) via Tech1 wrote: > > > I know this to be true because I was sitting with the news intake editor at the time. A very new and CHEAP freelance cameraman was doing a news shift. It was the BBC?s turn to do the pool > coverage of the Queen opening of a sports centre and said freelance was dispatched. He phoned in to say that he had been sent to the wrong place as he was the only one there. > When asked where he was, he replied ?By the pool? > > Doug Puddifoot > > > It reminds me of a time when a local cameraman wanted to work solo, without paying for a sound guy as it would be such a simple shoot. He needed to record one reporter doing two or three brief pieces to camera, along with a stereo atmos track. He hired one of my Neumann RSM191 stereo gun mics. As those mics are complex and can be a bit confusing, I set up the matrix box so that everything would be appropriate for his purposes and told him to simply disconnect the microphone lead, leaving the matrix box connected to the camera and not to change any of the settings. After the shoot was over, he angrily confronted me insisting that the microphone was useless and that the quality of the recording was unacceptable. > > I went round to his place to listen to the rushes and indeed the noises off were rather prominent, the microphone didn't seem to be at all directional. Then at one point the microphone popped into shot and I spotted that the end of the Rycote with the cable emerging from it was pointing at the reporter. It was obvious that he had been using the microphone upside down throughout the entire shoot. > > There is a trap for the unwary ( and also for cameramen who don't listen to explanations ) when using the RSM191 in it's Rycote windshield, because if you think of the handle as being in the middle of the windshield, the short end of the windshield houses the front and should face the artist, while the longer end is the back. The assembly looks the opposite way round to most other gun mics, however the microphone cable always emerges from the back half of the Rycote on all gun mic windshields. > > Having said all that, the sound quality picked up on the back of the Neumann was actually pretty clean and decent. It's just that the sound of everything else nearby was so much louder. > > Alan Taylor > > > > > Virus-free. www.avast.com > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From alanaudio at me.com Mon Apr 20 12:02:18 2020 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2020 18:02:18 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Who needs professionals any more? In-Reply-To: <83E6797E488D43B5A125B015D3A4A971@DESKTOPEU8OIGJ> References: <96ddefd9-9c92-d5db-df38-178b691b7f3b@chriswoolf.co.uk> <79655278-CCD0-4FC7-A11B-306CD2D14D74@me.com> <83E6797E488D43B5A125B015D3A4A971@DESKTOPEU8OIGJ> Message-ID: <77D212D1-B2FF-4F5C-9014-B9AB45D06CD3@me.com> In the 80's I was once scheduled to do a short notice PSC shoot which was a preview for the Farnborough Air Show. As the shoot was the next day and there would be no paperwork issued in advance, I asked the Kendal Avenue scheduling office which particular Farnborough it was because my UK atlas listed several and I had never attended the Farnborough Air Show before. I knew it wouldn't be the one near Bromley in Kent, but there were still three possibles, one in Hants, One in Berks and one in Oxon. She informed me that it was in Berkshire, so the next morning I dove to a lovely little village near Lambourn, couldn't find any signs of the Air Show and asked a local where the airfield was. I was then directed a few miles further on to Membury, which it turns out had been a WW II airfield, but these days is now better known as a service area on the M4. This clearly wasn't the right place, so I searched for a phone box, called the office and was then told it was probably Oxfordshire then. As I detected more than a hint of doubt in her voice and Farnborough Oxon would be a further fifty mile drive from where I was, I asked her to double check, which she did and eventually I was eventually sent on my way to Hampshire, where there was indeed a huge airfield being made ready for an air show. Alternatively, much earlier in my career when I was on attachment to the Radio Links dept ( subsequently known as Comms dept ), I was sent out to do an outgoing microwave link at Newbury Racecourse. When I arrived, there was no radio links truck, although all the other vehicles were there. We eventually discovered that the rigger had driven our Links truck to Newmarket racecourse instead of Newbury Racecourse. Alan Taylor On 20 Apr 2020, at 20 Apr . 17:03, Puddifoot(Doug) via Tech1 wrote: > > I know this to be true because I was sitting with the news intake editor at the time. A very new and CHEAP freelance cameraman was doing a news shift. It was the BBC?s turn to do the pool > coverage of the Queen opening of a sports centre and said freelance was dispatched. He phoned in to say that he had been sent to the wrong place as he was the only one there. > When asked where he was, he replied ?By the pool? > > Doug Puddifoot > > > It reminds me of a time when a local cameraman wanted to work solo, without paying for a sound guy as it would be such a simple shoot. He needed to record one reporter doing two or three brief pieces to camera, along with a stereo atmos track. He hired one of my Neumann RSM191 stereo gun mics. As those mics are complex and can be a bit confusing, I set up the matrix box so that everything would be appropriate for his purposes and told him to simply disconnect the microphone lead, leaving the matrix box connected to the camera and not to change any of the settings. After the shoot was over, he angrily confronted me insisting that the microphone was useless and that the quality of the recording was unacceptable. > > I went round to his place to listen to the rushes and indeed the noises off were rather prominent, the microphone didn't seem to be at all directional. Then at one point the microphone popped into shot and I spotted that the end of the Rycote with the cable emerging from it was pointing at the reporter. It was obvious that he had been using the microphone upside down throughout the entire shoot. > > There is a trap for the unwary ( and also for cameramen who don't listen to explanations ) when using the RSM191 in it's Rycote windshield, because if you think of the handle as being in the middle of the windshield, the short end of the windshield houses the front and should face the artist, while the longer end is the back. The assembly looks the opposite way round to most other gun mics, however the microphone cable always emerges from the back half of the Rycote on all gun mic windshields. > > Having said all that, the sound quality picked up on the back of the Neumann was actually pretty clean and decent. It's just that the sound of everything else nearby was so much louder. > > Alan Taylor > > > > > Virus-free. www.avast.com > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From w12rogers at gmail.com Mon Apr 20 12:13:08 2020 From: w12rogers at gmail.com (Georgie and Steve Rogers) Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2020 18:13:08 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Keys Message-ID: I wonder if anyone remembers where these keys come from ?? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: IMG_20200420_180857.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 3717994 bytes Desc: not available URL: From waresound at msn.com Mon Apr 20 12:52:32 2020 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2020 17:52:32 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Who needs audio professionals any more? Message-ID: ?In the ?The Prayer? with Celine Dion, Andrea Bocelli, Lady Gaga, Lang Lang (piano), and John Legend, Gaga?s mic is the right way round, and it doesn?t sound a lot different. But let?s be generous: for that event it?s the sentiment and motivation that matters, not whether it?s technically less than perfect. Nick. Sent from my iPad mini 5 On 20 Apr 2020, at 15:05, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: ? what makes you chaps even think the mic was plugged into anything? Whether the microphone was plugged in or not, the pop shield was still positioned on the wrong side. I didn?t see that bit, but judging by some of the others, what makes you chaps even think the mic was plugged into anything? Cheers, Nick. Sent from my iPad mini 5 On 20 Apr 2020, at 12:04, Chris Woolf via Tech1 > wrote: ? Nah! Just gives that super-warm, all bass tip-up and no top they think is "retro"... 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Alasdair Lawrance Don?t blame me, I voted Remain. > On 20 Apr 2020, at 19:15, Paul Thackray via Tech1 wrote: > > ? > My Recce to Lakeside ( off the M 3) for a darts OB was all going well until the camera supervisor called from Lakeside shopping center ( Thurrock) to ask where we all were ... > > Paul Thackray > > PGT Media Consulting Ltd. > > 07802 243979 > > Mail; paul at pgtmedia.co.uk > > Web; http://www.pgtmedia.co.uk > > Linkedin; http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/paul-thackray/19/379/746 > > IMDB; http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1488554/ > > sent from my BlackBerry?the most secure mobile device?via the O2 Network > From: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > Sent: 20 April 2020 18:02 > To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > Reply to: alanaudio at me.com > Subject: Re: [Tech1] Who needs professionals any more? > > In the 80's I was once scheduled to do a short notice PSC shoot which was a preview for the Farnborough Air Show. As the shoot was the next day and there would be no paperwork issued in advance, I asked the Kendal Avenue scheduling office which particular Farnborough it was because my UK atlas listed several and I had never attended the Farnborough Air Show before. > > I knew it wouldn't be the one near Bromley in Kent, but there were still three possibles, one in Hants, One in Berks and one in Oxon. She informed me that it was in Berkshire, so the next morning I dove to a lovely little village near Lambourn, couldn't find any signs of the Air Show and asked a local where the airfield was. I was then directed a few miles further on to Membury, which it turns out had been a WW II airfield, but these days is now better known as a service area on the M4. This clearly wasn't the right place, so I searched for a phone box, called the office and was then told it was probably Oxfordshire then. As I detected more than a hint of doubt in her voice and Farnborough Oxon would be a further fifty mile drive from where I was, I asked her to double check, which she did and eventually I was eventually sent on my way to Hampshire, where there was indeed a huge airfield being made ready for an air show. > > Alternatively, much earlier in my career when I was on attachment to the Radio Links dept ( subsequently known as Comms dept ), I was sent out to do an outgoing microwave link at Newbury Racecourse. When I arrived, there was no radio links truck, although all the other vehicles were there. We eventually discovered that the rigger had driven our Links truck to Newmarket racecourse instead of Newbury Racecourse. > > Alan Taylor > > >> On 20 Apr 2020, at 20 Apr . 17:03, Puddifoot(Doug) via Tech1 wrote: >> >> >> I know this to be true because I was sitting with the news intake editor at the time. A very new and CHEAP freelance cameraman was doing a news shift. It was the BBC?s turn to do the pool >> coverage of the Queen opening of a sports centre and said freelance was dispatched. He phoned in to say that he had been sent to the wrong place as he was the only one there. >> When asked where he was, he replied ?By the pool? >> >> Doug Puddifoot >> >> >> It reminds me of a time when a local cameraman wanted to work solo, without paying for a sound guy as it would be such a simple shoot. He needed to record one reporter doing two or three brief pieces to camera, along with a stereo atmos track. He hired one of my Neumann RSM191 stereo gun mics. As those mics are complex and can be a bit confusing, I set up the matrix box so that everything would be appropriate for his purposes and told him to simply disconnect the microphone lead, leaving the matrix box connected to the camera and not to change any of the settings. After the shoot was over, he angrily confronted me insisting that the microphone was useless and that the quality of the recording was unacceptable. >> >> I went round to his place to listen to the rushes and indeed the noises off were rather prominent, the microphone didn't seem to be at all directional. Then at one point the microphone popped into shot and I spotted that the end of the Rycote with the cable emerging from it was pointing at the reporter. It was obvious that he had been using the microphone upside down throughout the entire shoot. >> >> There is a trap for the unwary ( and also for cameramen who don't listen to explanations ) when using the RSM191 in it's Rycote windshield, because if you think of the handle as being in the middle of the windshield, the short end of the windshield houses the front and should face the artist, while the longer end is the back. The assembly looks the opposite way round to most other gun mics, however the microphone cable always emerges from the back half of the Rycote on all gun mic windshields. >> >> Having said all that, the sound quality picked up on the back of the Neumann was actually pretty clean and decent. It's just that the sound of everything else nearby was so much louder. >> >> Alan Taylor >> >> >> >> >> Virus-free. www.avast.com >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From s.k.edwards at btinternet.com Mon Apr 20 13:36:59 2020 From: s.k.edwards at btinternet.com (Steve Edwards) Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2020 19:36:59 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] One World References: Message-ID: ? ?You don?t need to stay up too late to watch something annoying..... Another week on and back to the BBC News at Ten opening sequence again: As I mentioned last week -where the camera/autocue pointlessly pans around 180 degrees at the back of the standing-up news presenter. I?m only mentioning I?m this again because last night I noticed a minor improvement: The camera didn?t actually do the usual silly pan around in sync with the music! Could this be a step in the right direction following someone realising fake panning looks dafter than daft or did they simply forget to press the pan button?? As often as not, things get worse before they get better - unfortunately this resulted in the camera instead being in a fixed position perfectly lined up for a full view of Mishal Husain?s posterior! ...and that intense angry Red coloured set coupled with the News theme music?s successive piercing banging of the ?drums? twice (sounding like canons firing) when each disaster of the day is read out at the beginning....every night of the week. To be fair, on this occasion Mishal ended by handing over to the news in the BBC regions in a pleasant & positive way (Unlike the condescending way of Huw Edwards, Clive Myrie and others) making a smoother transition switching from London to those of us residing in the regions, ready to experience the low budget follow-up news & weather production. Sadly our regional weather presenter Owain Wyn Evans isn?t helping the situation. https://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/weatherman-perfectly-drums-along-bbc-4049001 All this banging is just too much for me. Steve > On 19 Apr 2020, at 20:34, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: > > ?I stayed up until about 02:30 last night watching the live stream and was generally quite impressed and often intrigued about how they accomplished what they did. This evening I started watching the BBC compilation of it and found it utterly frustrating. > > Even on those occasions when they actually feature a musician?s performance, they can?t leave it alone, they keep panning the camera around the BBC set instead. Why ? It?s not even a very interesting set. > > The live stream certainly had it?s quota of duff spots, but the BBC show so far has managed to add duff bits into places where there previously weren?t any. > > A few minutes ago we had ?? coming up ?? with a clip of a couple of forthcoming acts, but that?s usually a ploy to keep attention before a commercial break. On the BBC it?s just an unnecessary irritation. > > To my mind a highlight show should mainly consist of, well, you know ? highlights. They have diminished the show I saw last night and I?ve now given up on it, which is a shame because the fundamental raisin d??tre is a subject extremely close to my heart as my wife works in a critical care ward, dealing with the most contagious category of aerosol emitting Covid patients. This is pic of her dressed for work on Friday and she will be repeating this every day she?s working for the foreseeable future ( subject to availability of PPE ). > > > > > Why do production teams have to interfere and mess up something which was perfectly watchable and indeed quite enjoyable in its original form? Last night there was a slight sense of Live Aid about it and certainly a buzz about it. This evening?s show portrayed nothing of that. > > Alan Taylor-- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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As often as not, things get worse before they get better - unfortunately this resulted in the camera instead being in a fixed position perfectly lined up for a full view of Mishal Husain?s posterior! ...and that intense angry Red coloured set coupled with the News theme music?s successive piercing banging of the ?drums? twice (sounding like canons firing) when each disaster of the day is read out at the beginning....every night of the week. To be fair, on this occasion Mishal ended by handing over to the news in the BBC regions in a pleasant & positive way (Unlike the condescending way of Huw Edwards, Clive Myrie and others) making a smoother transition switching from London to those of us residing in the regions, ready to experience the low budget follow-up news & weather production. Sadly our regional weather presenter Owain Wyn Evans isn?t helping the situation. https://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/weatherman-perfectly-drums-along-bbc-4049001 All this banging is just too much for me. Steve > On 19 Apr 2020, at 20:34, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: > > ?I stayed up until about 02:30 last night watching the live stream and was generally quite impressed and often intrigued about how they accomplished what they did. This evening I started watching the BBC compilation of it and found it utterly frustrating. > > Even on those occasions when they actually feature a musician?s performance, they can?t leave it alone, they keep panning the camera around the BBC set instead. Why ? It?s not even a very interesting set. > > The live stream certainly had it?s quota of duff spots, but the BBC show so far has managed to add duff bits into places where there previously weren?t any. > > A few minutes ago we had ?? coming up ?? with a clip of a couple of forthcoming acts, but that?s usually a ploy to keep attention before a commercial break. On the BBC it?s just an unnecessary irritation. > > To my mind a highlight show should mainly consist of, well, you know ? highlights. They have diminished the show I saw last night and I?ve now given up on it, which is a shame because the fundamental raisin d??tre is a subject extremely close to my heart as my wife works in a critical care ward, dealing with the most contagious category of aerosol emitting Covid patients. This is pic of her dressed for work on Friday and she will be repeating this every day she?s working for the foreseeable future ( subject to availability of PPE ). > > > > > Why do production teams have to interfere and mess up something which was perfectly watchable and indeed quite enjoyable in its original form? Last night there was a slight sense of Live Aid about it and certainly a buzz about it. This evening?s show portrayed nothing of that. > > Alan Taylor-- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Mon Apr 20 13:54:14 2020 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2020 19:54:14 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Who needs audio professionals any more? In-Reply-To: <79655278-CCD0-4FC7-A11B-306CD2D14D74@me.com> References: <96ddefd9-9c92-d5db-df38-178b691b7f3b@chriswoolf.co.uk> <79655278-CCD0-4FC7-A11B-306CD2D14D74@me.com> Message-ID: <5e9defd4.1c69fb81.3bca.1d2b@mx.google.com> I do think that programmes need a ?professional? Director who might have a bit of knowledge ? the director training at TVC was good. I had to shoot a two-hander interview at Roland Garros venue in Paris. The requirement was for stereo, so I was carefully positioning a stereo rig, behind the participants for spacial atmos, the guys being personally miked. The director (small ?d? !) went ape-shit, and said I mustn?t do that, the last time, he said, the right hand channel disappeared. He refused to listen to me, so I shot in mono. I had a good idea as to what must have happened, and later, ran a test. I reckoned that the previous recordist had picked up the interview both on a stereo mic and personals ? which were out of phase with the stereo mic. Proved it by deliberately putting the personals out of phase and got the result he complained about. I was insulted that he wouldn?t bloody listen to me, as I well knew what I was doing. Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Alan Taylor via Tech1 Sent: 20 April 2020 15:05 To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat Subject: Re: [Tech1] Who needs audio professionals any more? what makes you chaps even think the mic was plugged into anything? Alan Taylor -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Mon Apr 20 14:08:30 2020 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2020 20:08:30 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Who needs professionals any more? In-Reply-To: <1FADCA2F-49E7-41C2-A51B-1BA8F71A339A@me.com> References: <1FADCA2F-49E7-41C2-A51B-1BA8F71A339A@me.com> Message-ID: <5e9df32c.1c69fb81.e3685.1e4d@mx.google.com> Very similar story: Week one of a pilot shoot with the police, (which got hi-jacked into Police Interceptors, or similar) We shadowed a car crew for a few days, broke for the weekend, to reassemble the following Monday. The production office secretary rang me to tell me the RV, and said it was West Mersea (which is in Essex). No, darling, it?s West Mercia ? in the Midlands! If I hadn?t been on the previous week?s shoot, much red face, probably. Mind you, if you can read a map, what?s wrong with OS co-ordinates? (Very funny ?Dad?s Army? where some of the numbers were transposed!) Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 Sent: 20 April 2020 19:26 To: Paul Thackray Cc: Tech 1 Subject: Re: [Tech1] Who needs professionals any more? In my Beeb Wales days, Carmarthen and Caernarfon were easily confused on the phone, and going from North to South in Wales is not very easy. Alasdair Lawrance Don?t blame me, I voted Remain. On 20 Apr 2020, at 19:15, Paul Thackray via Tech1 wrote: ? My Recce to Lakeside ( off the M 3) for a darts OB was all going well until the camera supervisor called from Lakeside shopping center ( Thurrock) to ask where we all were ... Paul Thackray -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alanaudio at me.com Mon Apr 20 15:06:09 2020 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2020 21:06:09 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Who needs professionals any more? In-Reply-To: <5e9df32c.1c69fb81.e3685.1e4d@mx.google.com> References: <5e9df32c.1c69fb81.e3685.1e4d@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <794C7862-6A4B-4540-A20E-F073EF9044AE@me.com> The new girl at my agency once phoned to ask me if I would be prepared to do an OB covering boxing from York Town Hall. I asked her to check if the name was right and she confirmed it was. I was still sceptical and asked for the postcode. Sure enough it was York Halls in Bethnal Green, London which is nowhere near York. Same girl a few days earlier was asked if the agency had any Aston operators on their books and confidently said no. She mis-heard and thought that they were asking for astronauts. In fairness it has to be said that she learned rapidly and soon became indispensable. I got caught out once when asked to do the sound on a Steven Berkoff one man show from the Stratford theatre. Living in Banbury, I eagerly jumped at the opportunity to work just down the road at Stratford upon Avon. Unfortunately the show turned out to be from the Theatre Royal in Stratford, London. Alan Taylor > On 20 Apr 2020, at 20:08, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > > ? > Very similar story: > Week one of a pilot shoot with the police, (which got hi-jacked into Police Interceptors, or similar) We shadowed a car crew for a few days, broke for the weekend, to reassemble the following Monday. > The production office secretary rang me to tell me the RV, and said it was West Mersea (which is in Essex). No, darling, it?s West Mercia ? in the Midlands! > If I hadn?t been on the previous week?s shoot, much red face, probably. > > Mind you, if you can read a map, what?s wrong with OS co-ordinates? > (Very funny ?Dad?s Army? where some of the numbers were transposed!) > > Pat > > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > From: Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 > Sent: 20 April 2020 19:26 > To: Paul Thackray > Cc: Tech 1 > Subject: Re: [Tech1] Who needs professionals any more? > > In my Beeb Wales days, Carmarthen and Caernarfon were easily confused on the phone, and going from North to South in Wales is not very easy. > > Alasdair Lawrance > > Don?t blame me, I voted Remain. > > > > > On 20 Apr 2020, at 19:15, Paul Thackray via Tech1 wrote: > > ? > My Recce to Lakeside ( off the M 3) for a darts OB was all going well until the camera supervisor called from Lakeside shopping center ( Thurrock) to ask where we all were ... > > Paul Thackray > > > > > > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From peter.neill at icloud.com Mon Apr 20 15:11:05 2020 From: peter.neill at icloud.com (Peter Neill) Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2020 21:11:05 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Who needs professionals any more? In-Reply-To: <5e9df32c.1c69fb81.e3685.1e4d@mx.google.com> References: <5e9df32c.1c69fb81.e3685.1e4d@mx.google.com> Message-ID: When I worked at Newsroom South East (based at Elstree) we had a couple of dispatch riders who would sometimes pick up a rushed tape from a crew and get it back to base while the crew carried on shooting. They were very good at their job but English wasn?t their first language. One day we were working in Harpenden expecting a DR to pick up some stuff for the lunchtime bulletin. Then we got a phone call: ?I?m in Orpington ? where exactly are you?? Peter Sent from my iPhone. Apologies for typos and autocorruptions. > On 20 Apr 2020, at 20:08, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > > ? > Very similar story: > Week one of a pilot shoot with the police, (which got hi-jacked into Police Interceptors, or similar) We shadowed a car crew for a few days, broke for the weekend, to reassemble the following Monday. > The production office secretary rang me to tell me the RV, and said it was West Mersea (which is in Essex). No, darling, it?s West Mercia ? in the Midlands! > If I hadn?t been on the previous week?s shoot, much red face, probably. > > Mind you, if you can read a map, what?s wrong with OS co-ordinates? > (Very funny ?Dad?s Army? where some of the numbers were transposed!) > > Pat > > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > From: Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 > Sent: 20 April 2020 19:26 > To: Paul Thackray > Cc: Tech 1 > Subject: Re: [Tech1] Who needs professionals any more? > > In my Beeb Wales days, Carmarthen and Caernarfon were easily confused on the phone, and going from North to South in Wales is not very easy. > > Alasdair Lawrance > > Don?t blame me, I voted Remain. > > > > > On 20 Apr 2020, at 19:15, Paul Thackray via Tech1 wrote: > > ? > My Recce to Lakeside ( off the M 3) for a darts OB was all going well until the camera supervisor called from Lakeside shopping center ( Thurrock) to ask where we all were ... > > Paul Thackray > > > > > > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alanaudio at me.com Mon Apr 20 15:37:07 2020 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2020 21:37:07 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Who needs professionals any more? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I was booked to do an ENG insert for the Monte Williams show from London. We were told to get to London Bridge at midday and set up ready because he would turn up in a limo, he would be dropped off, do his piece and be collected ten minutes later. We asked them if they really meant London Bridge and asked them to fax the location to us to be certain. Sure enough it said London Bridge. You?re probably ahead of me already, but on the day we got set up in plenty of time, slightly concerned that we might get moved on by the police due to not having permission. No sign of Montel Williams, but soon we spotted a limo lurking over on Tower Bridge and phoned the contact number. There wasn?t enough time for them to drive over to us and certainly not enough time for us to get over there, so the insert was abandoned. Alan Taylor > On 20 Apr 2020, at 21:11, Peter Neill via Tech1 wrote: > > ? > When I worked at Newsroom South East (based at Elstree) we had a couple of dispatch riders who would sometimes pick up a rushed tape from a crew and get it back to base while the crew carried on shooting. They were very good at their job but English wasn?t their first language. > > One day we were working in Harpenden expecting a DR to pick up some stuff for the lunchtime bulletin. > > Then we got a phone call: ?I?m in Orpington ? where exactly are you?? > > Peter > > > Sent from my iPhone. Apologies for typos and autocorruptions. > >>> On 20 Apr 2020, at 20:08, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: >>> >> ? >> Very similar story: >> Week one of a pilot shoot with the police, (which got hi-jacked into Police Interceptors, or similar) We shadowed a car crew for a few days, broke for the weekend, to reassemble the following Monday. >> The production office secretary rang me to tell me the RV, and said it was West Mersea (which is in Essex). No, darling, it?s West Mercia ? in the Midlands! >> If I hadn?t been on the previous week?s shoot, much red face, probably. >> >> Mind you, if you can read a map, what?s wrong with OS co-ordinates? >> (Very funny ?Dad?s Army? where some of the numbers were transposed!) >> >> Pat >> >> >> Sent from Mail for Windows 10 >> >> From: Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 >> Sent: 20 April 2020 19:26 >> To: Paul Thackray >> Cc: Tech 1 >> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Who needs professionals any more? >> >> In my Beeb Wales days, Carmarthen and Caernarfon were easily confused on the phone, and going from North to South in Wales is not very easy. >> >> Alasdair Lawrance >> >> Don?t blame me, I voted Remain. >> >> >> >> >> On 20 Apr 2020, at 19:15, Paul Thackray via Tech1 wrote: >> >> ? >> My Recce to Lakeside ( off the M 3) for a darts OB was all going well until the camera supervisor called from Lakeside shopping center ( Thurrock) to ask where we all were ... >> >> Paul Thackray >> >> >> >> >> >> >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >> www.avast.com >> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From techtone at protonmail.com Mon Apr 20 15:53:46 2020 From: techtone at protonmail.com (techtone) Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2020 20:53:46 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Who needs professionals any more? In-Reply-To: References: <5e9df32c.1c69fb81.e3685.1e4d@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <_wU0YNfGfb2ZY5RsKLQHwiT-t65t2gRwKgeZvOVeA0w54FYNsS8lsgbsILm2km2K_PAN0k__BoFNAveudbbkZOJTxw7Gy2q4oZ2a9CTtyn4=@protonmail.com> Whilst working out of Lime Grove, and doing my week of London Plus, I returned to the Grove one evening after a day's shoot to find paperwork relating the following day. It was to shoot a hot air balloon extravaganza, and the RV was given as 'a field near Aldershot'. Fortunately, there were still some staff in the office, and I suggested (relatively firmly) that we were to be given somewhat more precise directions. I was passed on to someone from the production team who was quite huffy, and explained that 'you couldn't miss it, as it was going to be a big field full of hot air balloons'. What could go wrong. Being a difficult cameraman, I insisted on tying it down a bit more exactly, and eventually after several phone calls progressing into the evening, it was agreed to meet one of the event's organisers at Aldershot station at 1400, who would then guide us to the field (this being the days before mobile phones, GPS, etc.). Well, next day prompt at 1400 we met said organiser, and he and producer and reporter bundled into the back of the camera car, whilst the sparks followed on behind. You've probably guessed the next bit - yes, we drove round the countryside for over two hours without finding THE field, or even seeing any hot air balloons aloft. And you've probably guessed at whose door the blame was laid for the misguided tour,. Yep, that difficult cameraman. And whilst doing wider UK work, I was asked to do a shoot in Bradford. Which one? I enquired. Office got extremely stuffy, until I pointed out that there were six Bradfords in the UK, and that I'd just stayed in Bradford (Upon Avon) the week before. OK, it was the big, (Northern powerhouse) Bradford, but why take the risk? And we also had the 0930 RV at the theatre in Stratford, with a concerned crew phoning the office just before 1000 to find out what had happened to the production team on their way to Stratford on Avon, whilst an irate production team phoned the office at the same time to demand what was keeping the crew from getting to Stratford East London. Not to mention the crew phoning in from Northampton to say they'd finished their shoot, and the office asking if they could just nip down the road to Southampton for another quick shoot. TeaTeaFN - Tony Sent with [ProtonMail](https://protonmail.com) Secure Email. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Tue Apr 21 04:12:54 2020 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2020 10:12:54 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Who needs professionals any more? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5e9eb915.1c69fb81.4f667.bcb0@mx.google.com> Apparently, the guy that bought London Bridge, to be re-erected in a desert in the USA, denies that he thought he was getting Tower Bridge. But I?m sceptical! Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Alan Taylor via Tech1 Sent: 20 April 2020 21:37 To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat Subject: Re: [Tech1] Who needs professionals any more? I was booked to do an ENG insert for the Monte Williams show from London. ?We were told to get to London Bridge at midday and set up ready because he would turn up in a limo, he would be dropped off, do his piece and be collected ten minutes later. We asked them if they really meant London Bridge and asked them to fax the location to us to be certain. ?Sure enough it said London Bridge. You?re probably ahead of me already, but on the day we got set up in plenty of time, slightly concerned ?that we might get moved on by the police due to not having permission. No sign of Montel Williams, but soon we spotted a limo lurking over on Tower Bridge and phoned the contact number. ?There wasn?t enough time for them to drive over to us and certainly not enough time for us to get over there, so the insert was abandoned. Alan Taylor -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Tue Apr 21 04:27:04 2020 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2020 10:27:04 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Who needs professionals any more? In-Reply-To: <794C7862-6A4B-4540-A20E-F073EF9044AE@me.com> References: <5e9df32c.1c69fb81.e3685.1e4d@mx.google.com> <794C7862-6A4B-4540-A20E-F073EF9044AE@me.com> Message-ID: <5e9ebc67.1c69fb81.3465f.c319@mx.google.com> Many?s the shoot I?ve done for Sportsview?s Boxing from York Hall. 2x Auricons, lip ribbon for commentator and FX mic over the ring. Those cameras were frightful as regards sound ? the first time I used them I ran a test, wound back a bit to check and was appalled at the hum. To check if it was recorded hum, I played it back on the second camera ? just the same, so had to check with Sammies that it was a function of the playback and not the recording. The worst boxing venue was the Albert Hall ? no problem with the lip ribbon, but arriving with not a lot of time to rig, it wasn?t possible to get a mic slung over the ring, so had to resort to taping a stick mic to a neutral corner post. The brief was to capture (clearly) the smack of leather against flesh, so don?t think I did too well on that occasion! Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Alan Taylor via Tech1 Sent: 20 April 2020 21:06 To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat Subject: Re: [Tech1] Who needs professionals any more? The new girl at my agency once phoned to ask me if I would be prepared to do an OB covering boxing from York Town Hall. ?I asked her to check if the name was right and she confirmed it was. I was still sceptical and asked for the postcode. ?Sure enough it was York Halls in Bethnal ?Green, London which is nowhere near York. ? Same girl a few days earlier was asked if the agency had any Aston operators on their books and confidently said no. ?She mis-heard and thought that they were asking for astronauts. ?In fairness it has to be said that she learned rapidly and ?soon became indispensable. I got caught out once when asked to do the sound on a Steven Berkoff one man show from the Stratford theatre. Living in Banbury, I eagerly jumped at the opportunity to work just down the road at Stratford upon Avon. ?Unfortunately the show turned out to be from the Theatre Royal in Stratford, London. Alan Taylor -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jpn at imixmics.co.uk Tue Apr 21 05:07:26 2020 From: jpn at imixmics.co.uk (jpn) Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2020 11:07:26 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Who needs professionals any more? In-Reply-To: <5e9ebc67.1c69fb81.3465f.c319@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Boxing at the Albert Hall...did loads of those. We BBC types did sling a mic over the ring. It took very long length of mic cable. I'd climb all the way into? the? top of the roof with one of the riggers, then walk out on to that vast cast iron cartwheel & lower the mic down. It probably a 4035 to start with, and a 416 later.??I do remember that when you looked up from the floor, those mushrooms looked like they were on the ceiling. When you looked down on them from the cartwheel, they looked like they were on the floor!?Later we too started using a couple of c451s on the neutral corners, sometimes as well as the slung mic, sometimes instead.?JohnSent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. -------- Original message --------From: patheigham via Tech1 Date: 21/04/2020 10:27 (GMT+00:00) To: Alan Taylor , Tech-Ops-chit-chat Subject: Re: [Tech1] Who needs professionals any more? ?Many?s the shoot I?ve done for Sportsview?s Boxing from York Hall.2x Auricons, lip ribbon for commentator and FX mic over the ring.Those cameras were frightful as regards sound ? the first time I used them I ran a test, wound back a bit to check and was appalled at the hum. To check if it was recorded hum, I played it back on the second camera ? just the same, so had to check with Sammies that it was a function of the playback and not the recording.The worst boxing venue was the Albert Hall ? no problem with the lip ribbon, but arriving with not a lot of time to rig, it wasn?t possible to get a mic slung over the ring, so had to resort to taping a stick mic to a neutral corner post. The brief was to capture (clearly) the smack of leather against flesh, so don?t think I did too well on that occasion!Pat??Sent from Mail for Windows 10?From: Alan Taylor via Tech1Sent: 20 April 2020 21:06To: Tech-Ops-chit-chatSubject: Re: [Tech1] Who needs professionals any more??The new girl at my agency once phoned to ask me if I would be prepared to do an OB covering boxing from York Town Hall. ?I asked her to check if the name was right and she confirmed it was. I was still sceptical and asked for the postcode. ?Sure enough it was York Halls in Bethnal ?Green, London which is nowhere near York. ??Same girl a few days earlier was asked if the agency had any Aston operators on their books and confidently said no. ?She mis-heard and thought that they were asking for astronauts. ?In fairness it has to be said that she learned rapidly and ?soon became indispensable.?I got caught out once when asked to do the sound on a Steven Berkoff one man show from the Stratford theatre. Living in Banbury, I eagerly jumped at the opportunity to work just down the road at Stratford upon Avon. ?Unfortunately the show turned out to be from the Theatre Royal in Stratford, London.?Alan Taylor??? This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alanaudio at me.com Tue Apr 21 05:16:46 2020 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2020 11:16:46 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Who needs professionals any more? In-Reply-To: <5e9eb915.1c69fb81.4f667.bcb0@mx.google.com> References: <5e9eb915.1c69fb81.4f667.bcb0@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <01219517-8D86-4773-8D65-F183D0B0A291@me.com> Actually you can sling an Fx mic over the ring at the Royal Albert Hall, but it needs special permission and a very long cable, but it?s worth doing once, just for the experience. You can arrange for escorted access to the very top of the nipple at the peak of the hemispherical roof, where there is a gap to lower a cable through. The view over the Kensington rooftops is pretty amazing, but peeping down into the RAH itself is something else. The first thing I noticed was the updraught of hot air from umpteen kW of TV lights. It gets concentrated into an increasingly smaller area as it rises and blows through the gap like a hair drier. The real roof is another layer above what we see from the interior and the space between the two roofs is like a sauna. Then the view downwards is breathtaking in a different way. The acoustic mushrooms which look so high up in the auditorium look like dots on the floor when viewed from up there. The mushrooms contained a number of faded and yellowing paper darts, each one probably triggered a celebratory cheer when it landed there. Returning to the more mundane York Halls, slinging Fx mics from the roof involved a convoluted route over multiple rooftops including climbing a vertical ladder with the top rung broken at the weld, which means that the rung is only supported at the other side ( reported many times to Karen, who was the Manager at York Halls in those days ). The Fx mics were usually rigged before Mike Goodall had arrived to build the ring. That left a difficult choice, one is to wait and waste time that could be spent in the pub, the other was to find a way to pre set the mics to exactly the right height without the ring being in place. People had tried leaving marked cables at the venue, but other people used them and changed the marks for their purposes, or simply made off with our cables so it proved to be unreliable. One day after a match, the ring was dismantled very rapidly and I took the opportunity to extend a fish pole to the exact height from the floor to the Fx mic. That length was then measured and also replicated with tape on the roof of the tender. On subsequent shows, we extended a fish pole to match the marks on the tender roof, carried it inside, adjusted the height of the microphone accordingly and went off to the pub while the ring was being built. On our return, the microphones were hanging at exactly the correct height above the ring. Alan Taylor From phider at gmx.com Tue Apr 21 05:37:52 2020 From: phider at gmx.com (Peter Hider) Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2020 12:37:52 +0200 Subject: [Tech1] Who needs professionals any more? In-Reply-To: References: <5e9df32c.1c69fb81.e3685.1e4d@mx.google.com> Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Tue Apr 21 05:47:49 2020 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2020 11:47:49 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Who needs professionals any more? In-Reply-To: <5e9ec5ef.1c69fb81.d201d.cee2SMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com> References: <5e9ebc67.1c69fb81.3465f.c319@mx.google.com> <5e9ec5ef.1c69fb81.d201d.cee2SMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <5e9ecf54.1c69fb81.d7902.e008@mx.google.com> Never had the experience of climbing to the roof of RAH, but speaking of slinging mics overhead, a job for a music programme with Wynford Vaughan-Thomas, in Wales, involved filming the Morriston Orpheus Choir in their chapel. My mixer wanted a slung mic over the top, and there was suitably postioned grating in the (high) ceiling. So I was dispatched into the roof space, and covered in pigeon shit, lowered a cable down for a mic to be attached and then hauled up again to the correct height. (We hadn?t got any slinging cables for a side to side rig) We had no walkie talkies, so used a radio mic for Sandy to tell me when the mic was OK. We hoped that the cable wouldn?t twist and throw the mic pointing the wrong way (Still don?t understand how the cable hooks work that fit to the cable). The shoot was delayed for a day, as our cameraman ? Mike Fash, ex-BBC Crew2) discovered that it would be dark outside, and wanted to light a magnificent stained glass window behind the choir. This required a brute from outside, and as the chapel was on a steep hillside ? the Welsh valleys, look you ? necessary to have a scaffold tower built for it. No doubt, though, that it made all the difference, and Mike was proved right. Not our shoot, but here?s clip from Swansea, sounds good! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRdGUqXHytc Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: jpn via Tech1 Sent: 21 April 2020 11:07 To: patheigham; Alan Taylor; Tech-Ops-chit-chat Subject: Re: [Tech1] Who needs professionals any more? Boxing at the Albert Hall...did loads of those. We BBC types did sling a mic over the ring. It took very long length of mic cable. I'd climb all the way into? the? top of the roof with one of the riggers, then walk out on to that vast cast iron cartwheel & lower the mic down. It probably a 4035 to start with, and a 416 later.? ?I do remember that when you looked up from the floor, those mushrooms looked like they were on the ceiling. When you looked down on them from the cartwheel, they looked like they were on the floor!? Later we too started using a couple of c451s on the neutral corners, sometimes as well as the slung mic, sometimes instead.? John Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Tue Apr 21 05:55:29 2020 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2020 11:55:29 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Who needs professionals any more? In-Reply-To: References: <5e9df32c.1c69fb81.e3685.1e4d@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <5e9ed120.1c69fb81.e43cd.d08e@mx.google.com> Brilliant! Peter, Gave me a good laugh. Pat (P.S. Weren?t we on the same WN course back in the mists of time/) Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Peter Hider via Tech1 Sent: 21 April 2020 11:38 To: peter.neill at icloud.com Cc: Tech 1 Subject: Re: [Tech1] Who needs professionals any more? I was filming in Soho and the Cameraman Pat Turley (married to Nerys Hughes) asked for track and a dolly. The police arrived and told us that no dollies were to be used in Soho. Pat asked me if I could get a wheelchair which could be pushed by the Grip. I asked my 2nd AD Harbie Verdie?to ask Bill Bonner the buyer to source one ASAP. Bill arrived within the hour carrying an extremely large birdcage accupied by a very confused Vulture. Harbie, who was a Ugandan Asia, was summoned to explain the presence of an African Vulture. Just say wheelchair with an Indian accent and you'll get the drift of what happened. ? Stay safe Peter Hider ? ? Sent:?Monday, April 20, 2020 at 9:11 PM From:?"Peter Neill via Tech1" To:?"Tech 1" Subject:?Re: [Tech1] Who needs professionals any more? When I worked at Newsroom South East (based at Elstree) we had a couple of dispatch riders who would sometimes pick up a rushed tape from a crew and get it back to base while the crew carried on shooting. They were very good at their job but English wasn?t their first language.? ? One day we were working in Harpenden expecting a DR to pick up some stuff for the lunchtime bulletin.? ? Then we got a phone call: ?I?m in Orpington ? where exactly are you?? ? Peter ? ? Sent from my iPhone. Apologies for typos and autocorruptions.? ? On 20 Apr 2020, at 20:08, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: ? ? Very similar story: Week one of a pilot shoot with the police, (which got hi-jacked into Police Interceptors, or similar) We shadowed a car crew for a few days, broke for the weekend, to reassemble the following Monday. The production office secretary rang me to tell me the RV, and said it was West Mersea (which is in Essex). No, darling, it?s West Mercia ? in the Midlands! If I hadn?t been on the previous week?s shoot, much red face, probably. ? Mind you, if you can read a map, what?s wrong with OS co-ordinates? (Very funny ?Dad?s Army? where some of the numbers were transposed!) ? Pat ? ? Sent from Mail for Windows 10 ? From: Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 Sent: 20 April 2020 19:26 To: Paul Thackray Cc: Tech 1 Subject: Re: [Tech1] Who needs professionals any more? ? In my Beeb Wales days, Carmarthen and Caernarfon were easily confused on the phone, and going from North to South in Wales is not very easy. Alasdair Lawrance ? Don?t blame me, I voted Remain. ? ? ? On 20 Apr 2020, at 19:15, Paul Thackray via Tech1 wrote: ? My Recce to Lakeside ( off the M 3) for a darts OB was all going well until the camera supervisor called from Lakeside shopping center ( Thurrock) to ask where we all were ... ? Paul Thackray ? ? ? 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I was filming in Soho and the Cameraman Pat Turley (married to Nerys Hughes) asked for track and a dolly. The police arrived and told us that no dollies were to be used in Soho. Pat asked me if I could get a wheelchair which could be pushed by the Grip. I asked my 2nd AD Harbie Verdie?to ask Bill Bonner the buyer to source one ASAP. Bill arrived within the hour carrying an extremely large birdcage accupied by a very confused Vulture. Harbie, who was a Ugandan Asia, was summoned to explain the presence of an African Vulture. Just say wheelchair with an Indian accent and you'll get the drift of what happened. ? Stay safe Peter Hider ? ? -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From waresound at msn.com Tue Apr 21 06:57:16 2020 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2020 11:57:16 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Who needs professionals any more? In-Reply-To: References: <5e9df32c.1c69fb81.e3685.1e4d@mx.google.com> , Message-ID: Mention of London Bridge reminds me of a day when we were required to shoot London GV?s for an American corporate client. We?d done it a number of times for other clients, so for us it was an almost routine job. If it hadn?t been for a number of video recording format changes over the years, we would just have kept a set of stock shots and copied them off as required. So anyway, there we were, on London Bridge at 8AM filming the commuter lemmings walking across the bridge into the City. Countless thousands of them every weekday. So we got those shots and then jumped into a taxi to the next location. Later that morning we got a phone call from the City Police, wanting to talk to us about a suspicious object, thought to be a bomb. It turned out we had left an Anton Bauer camera battery on a ledge at the City end of the bridge. Apparently, the Bomb Squad had been called, and the bridge closed for a couple of hours. Only when they had done what they had to do to make it safe, did they find a phone number on its underside. We had a hard time talking our way out of that one! Professional, us? Definitely not that day! Cheers, Nick. Sent from my iPad mini 5 On 21 Apr 2020, at 11:38, Peter Hider via Tech1 wrote: ? I was filming in Soho and the Cameraman Pat Turley (married to Nerys Hughes) asked for track and a dolly. The police arrived and told us that no dollies were to be used in Soho. Pat asked me if I could get a wheelchair which could be pushed by the Grip. I asked my 2nd AD Harbie Verdie to ask Bill Bonner the buyer to source one ASAP. Bill arrived within the hour carrying an extremely large birdcage accupied by a very confused Vulture. Harbie, who was a Ugandan Asia, was summoned to explain the presence of an African Vulture. Just say wheelchair with an Indian accent and you'll get the drift of what happened. Stay safe Peter Hider Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 at 9:11 PM From: "Peter Neill via Tech1" To: "Tech 1" Subject: Re: [Tech1] Who needs professionals any more? When I worked at Newsroom South East (based at Elstree) we had a couple of dispatch riders who would sometimes pick up a rushed tape from a crew and get it back to base while the crew carried on shooting. They were very good at their job but English wasn?t their first language. One day we were working in Harpenden expecting a DR to pick up some stuff for the lunchtime bulletin. Then we got a phone call: ?I?m in Orpington ? where exactly are you?? Peter Sent from my iPhone. Apologies for typos and autocorruptions. 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To get it without, one has to pay! Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 Sent: 21 April 2020 13:43 To: Tech Ops List Subject: [Tech1] Corona I think I saw the pic of a Corona lorry with a mask on this list. If so, can someone re-send it to me, please? I can?t find it, or rather, I don?t know how to. Alasdair Lawrance Don?t blame me, I voted Remain. -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: glasgow-uk-mar-01-2020-corona-virus-lorry-with-protective-face-mask-2B7R72C.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 157216 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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To get it > without, one has to pay! > > Pat > > Sent from Mail for > Windows 10 > > *From: *Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 > *Sent: *21 April 2020 13:43 > *To: *Tech Ops List > *Subject: *[Tech1] Corona > > I think I saw the pic of a Corona lorry with a mask on this list.? If > so, can someone re-send it to me, please?? I can?t find it, or rather, > I don?t know how to. > > Alasdair Lawrance > > Don?t blame me, I voted Remain. > > -- > > Tech1 mailing list > > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Avast logo > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com > > > <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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To get it without, one has to pay! >> Pat >> >> Sent from Mail for Windows 10 >> >> From: Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 >> Sent: 21 April 2020 13:43 >> To: Tech Ops List >> Subject: [Tech1] Corona >> >> I think I saw the pic of a Corona lorry with a mask on this list. If so, can someone re-send it to me, please? I can?t find it, or rather, I don?t know how to. >> >> Alasdair Lawrance >> >> Don?t blame me, I voted Remain. >> >> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> >> >> >> >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >> www.avast.com >> >> >> >> > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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On 21 Apr 2020, at 14:20, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: Easy enough to remove the watermark with the 'clone stamp' tool in Irfanview (for free!) or the same tool in Photoshop ( for loadsamoney!). Cheers, Dave On 21/04/2020 13:52, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: This could be the one, Alastair? It?s from a commercial library, hence the watermark. To get it without, one has to pay! Pat ? Sent from?Mail?for Windows 10 ? From:?Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 Sent:?21 April 2020 13:43 To:?Tech Ops List Subject:?[Tech1] Corona ? I think I saw the pic of a Corona lorry with a mask on this list.? If so, can someone re-send it to me, please?? I can?t find it, or rather, I don?t know how to. ? Alasdair Lawrance ? Don?t blame me, I voted Remain. ? ? ? -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk ? This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.? www.avast.com --? 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Name: Masked Corona lorry.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 284641 bytes Desc: not available URL: From barrybonner119 at btinternet.com Tue Apr 21 09:24:02 2020 From: barrybonner119 at btinternet.com (Barry Bonner) Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2020 15:24:02 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Corona lorry mask In-Reply-To: <5e9f018a.1c69fb81.3c36c.2223@mx.google.com> References: <5D8A9345-FFD9-4227-8BB3-8F5EDB63C39B@me.com> <5e9eec7c.1c69fb81.6a816.2e28@mx.google.com> <50e87444-7ef0-70e4-241e-a71d85e527df@btinternet.com> <372CD356-38DF-4F91-9173-0D398B6673AD@btinternet.com> <5e9f018a.1c69fb81.3c36c.2223@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <2AB90124-35E8-4B15-91BC-500B877898CD@btinternet.com> Artistic talent dear boy! Barry. On 21 Apr 2020, at 15:22, patheigham wrote: > Very good, Barry! How did you manage that? > On the pic I sent, ?alamy? was spattered diagonally, > From bottom left to top right! > Pat > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > From: Barry Bonner > Sent: 21 April 2020 15:14 > To: Dave Mundy > Cc: patheigham; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > Subject: Re: [Tech1] Corona lorry mask > > What watermark?! > Barry. > > > > On 21 Apr 2020, at 14:20, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: > > > Easy enough to remove the watermark with the 'clone stamp' tool in Irfanview (for free!) or the same tool in Photoshop ( for loadsamoney!). Cheers, Dave > > On 21/04/2020 13:52, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > This could be the one, Alastair? > It?s from a commercial library, hence the watermark. To get it without, one has to pay! > Pat > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > From: Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 > Sent: 21 April 2020 13:43 > To: Tech Ops List > Subject: [Tech1] Corona > > I think I saw the pic of a Corona lorry with a mask on this list. If so, can someone re-send it to me, please? I can?t find it, or rather, I don?t know how to. > > Alasdair Lawrance > > Don?t blame me, I voted Remain. > > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > > > <94145F1664794A56ADDA6613539B0175.png> > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com > > > > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > > <94145F1664794A56ADDA6613539B0175.png> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From david at davidtaylorsound.co.uk Tue Apr 21 12:47:36 2020 From: david at davidtaylorsound.co.uk (David Taylor) Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2020 18:47:36 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Television Sound techniques-back in the 'early days'-football OB's Message-ID: TV Sound techniques kept changing continually from those earliest days when many of us started in 'sound'. As I don't see much written about TV Sound back then I would like to write up something, most probably in book form, detailing the changes. Although I'm interested in everything from Operas to Sit-Coms, doing shows live or getting them post produced, I thought I'd start by asking all the BBC and independent Sound Supervisors and those who 'did the rigging' about coverage of football matches. When I started as an assistant at Anglia TV, we used a 'parab' for match FX and hung one or two 'omni's over 'the gantry' for crowd FX. [image: 1967_No89-Coltishall airshow-AngliaTV-Neg26-SS-ts-1200px.jpg] * STC 4035 in a Grampian Parabolic Reflector....made more professional with the foam rubber backing added to it! Anglia 1967* When I moved to LWT in 1969 they had started using Senny 805 long-gun mics, still manual operated up in 'the boat'. However Paul Faraday, who started at Rediffusion in 1961 recalls his Supervisor Don Chapman favouring the enormous Electro-Voive EV-643 'bazooka'...when it could be fitted up in the gantry...it was 7feet long! Things changed I recall in the early 70's when camera mic lines allowed Senny gun mics fixed to cameras...and 416's and other mics were appearing around the pitch. Any memories of how you handled football OB's at the BBC and other ITV companies and facilities like TVI, Trilion etc would be interesting to find out. Dave Taylor -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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We sometimes found the focus sweet spot by feeding 1kHz tone into the microphone and panning it from side to side while somebody else listens at a distance so that we can move the microphone in and out from the dish to get the best focus and hopefully the optimum range. We did have Electrovoice 643s, but they were generally too unwieldy for football matches, although I do recall being required to operate one at the centreline of the Harlem Globetrotters, where the mass of the microphone, the speed of the players and the polished wooden floor conspired to make the mounting slide about alarmingly. There is an old picture available of OB trucks and crew with a couple of those mics laid on the floor. Before Sennys, we used Labor gun mics ( I think the spelling is correct ). I?ve never found any details of them on line, but the MCR21 restoration people have got a home movie from Ken Osborn which shows them in use mounted on cameras. Other things such as crowd Fx were usually covered by dangling a 4035 from the gantry. Once the 805 and subsequently the 815 became available, they were mounted on cameras using a custom made side mount fixed to the panning head of an EMI 2001. The commentator used a lip mic. The older ones had a spacing bar either side of the mouth instead of the bar on the upper lip. The mic was wired to a mahogany box containing an adjustable equaliser. The commentator also used a Baron Box, which used a single XLR cable to connect to the scanner and offered talkback, a telephone handset and a button operating a cue light to alert the Sound supervisor when they intend to speak or stop speaking. All the best Alan Taylor > On 21 Apr 2020, at 18:48, David Taylor via Tech1 wrote: > > ? > TV Sound techniques kept changing continually from those earliest days when many of us started in 'sound'. As I don't see much written about TV Sound back then I would like to write up something, most probably in book form, detailing the changes. > Although I'm interested in everything from Operas to Sit-Coms, doing shows live or getting them post produced, I thought I'd start by asking all the BBC and independent Sound Supervisors and those who 'did the rigging' about coverage of football matches. > When I started as an assistant at Anglia TV, we used a 'parab' for match FX and hung one or two 'omni's over 'the gantry' for crowd FX. > <1967_No89-Coltishall airshow-AngliaTV-Neg26-SS-ts-1200px.jpg> > > STC 4035 in a Grampian Parabolic Reflector....made more professional with the foam rubber backing added to it! Anglia 1967 > When I moved to LWT in 1969 they had started using Senny 805 long-gun mics, still manual operated up in 'the boat'. However Paul Faraday, who started at Rediffusion in 1961 recalls his Supervisor Don Chapman favouring the enormous Electro-Voive EV-643 'bazooka'...when it could be fitted up in the gantry...it was 7feet long! > Things changed I recall in the early 70's when camera mic lines allowed Senny gun mics fixed to cameras...and 416's and other mics were appearing around the pitch. > Any memories of how you handled football OB's at the BBC and other ITV companies and facilities like TVI, Trilion etc would be interesting to find out. > Dave Taylor > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net Tue Apr 21 14:12:40 2020 From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt) Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2020 20:12:40 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Television Sound techniques-back in the 'early days'-football OB's In-Reply-To: <2BB394B4-B0E9-43AE-86FD-A2136DBB0727@me.com> References: <2BB394B4-B0E9-43AE-86FD-A2136DBB0727@me.com> Message-ID: <479179134FAD41EE907472019A8E334F@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> The Labor we used at TC was the Labor MD82. I seem to remember we referred to it as a rifle mic in the early days. I believe it was the first mic of its type. Labor of course was Sennheiser before it was called Sennheiser Dave Newbitt. From: Alan Taylor via Tech1 Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2020 7:21 PM To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat Subject: Re: [Tech1] Television Sound techniques-back in the 'early days'-football OB's Hi Dave, In the BBC there were two types of football coverage, the routine MOTD matches and then the big events such as the Cup Final. At Wembley up until the early 70s and the introduction of Sennys, a 1 metre parabolic reflector was suspended from a girder above the gantry and panned to cover Fx from the pitch. The microphone in it was the ubiquitous 4035. We sometimes found the focus sweet spot by feeding 1kHz tone into the microphone and panning it from side to side while somebody else listens at a distance so that we can move the microphone in and out from the dish to get the best focus and hopefully the optimum range. We did have Electrovoice 643s, but they were generally too unwieldy for football matches, although I do recall being required to operate one at the centreline of the Harlem Globetrotters, where the mass of the microphone, the speed of the players and the polished wooden floor conspired to make the mounting slide about alarmingly. There is an old picture available of OB trucks and crew with a couple of those mics laid on the floor. Before Sennys, we used Labor gun mics ( I think the spelling is correct ). I?ve never found any details of them on line, but the MCR21 restoration people have got a home movie from Ken Osborn which shows them in use mounted on cameras. Other things such as crowd Fx were usually covered by dangling a 4035 from the gantry. Once the 805 and subsequently the 815 became available, they were mounted on cameras using a custom made side mount fixed to the panning head of an EMI 2001. The commentator used a lip mic. The older ones had a spacing bar either side of the mouth instead of the bar on the upper lip. The mic was wired to a mahogany box containing an adjustable equaliser. The commentator also used a Baron Box, which used a single XLR cable to connect to the scanner and offered talkback, a telephone handset and a button operating a cue light to alert the Sound supervisor when they intend to speak or stop speaking. All the best Alan Taylor On 21 Apr 2020, at 18:48, David Taylor via Tech1 wrote: ? TV Sound techniques kept changing continually from those earliest days when many of us started in 'sound'. As I don't see much written about TV Sound back then I would like to write up something, most probably in book form, detailing the changes. Although I'm interested in everything from Operas to Sit-Coms, doing shows live or getting them post produced, I thought I'd start by asking all the BBC and independent Sound Supervisors and those who 'did the rigging' about coverage of football matches. When I started as an assistant at Anglia TV, we used a 'parab' for match FX and hung one or two 'omni's over 'the gantry' for crowd FX. <1967_No89-Coltishall airshow-AngliaTV-Neg26-SS-ts-1200px.jpg> STC 4035 in a Grampian Parabolic Reflector....made more professional with the foam rubber backing added to it! Anglia 1967 When I moved to LWT in 1969 they had started using Senny 805 long-gun mics, still manual operated up in 'the boat'. However Paul Faraday, who started at Rediffusion in 1961 recalls his Supervisor Don Chapman favouring the enormous Electro-Voive EV-643 'bazooka'...when it could be fitted up in the gantry...it was 7feet long! Things changed I recall in the early 70's when camera mic lines allowed Senny gun mics fixed to cameras...and 416's and other mics were appearing around the pitch. Any memories of how you handled football OB's at the BBC and other ITV companies and facilities like TVI, Trilion etc would be interesting to find out. 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From: David Taylor Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2020 8:34 PM To: David Newbitt Subject: Re: [Tech1] Television Sound techniques-back in the 'early days'-football OB's David, Thanks for that information....I'm learning all the time. I didn't know Labor was Sennheiser's name early on. Do you remember how they were used at TC? It was a big mic I know. Did the BBC ever try using the EV-642 at all? Dave T On Tue, 21 Apr 2020 at 20:13, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: The Labor we used at TC was the Labor MD82. I seem to remember we referred to it as a rifle mic in the early days. I believe it was the first mic of its type. Labor of course was Sennheiser before it was called Sennheiser Dave Newbitt. From: Alan Taylor via Tech1 Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2020 7:21 PM To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat Subject: Re: [Tech1] Television Sound techniques-back in the 'early days'-football OB's Hi Dave, In the BBC there were two types of football coverage, the routine MOTD matches and then the big events such as the Cup Final. At Wembley up until the early 70s and the introduction of Sennys, a 1 metre parabolic reflector was suspended from a girder above the gantry and panned to cover Fx from the pitch. The microphone in it was the ubiquitous 4035. We sometimes found the focus sweet spot by feeding 1kHz tone into the microphone and panning it from side to side while somebody else listens at a distance so that we can move the microphone in and out from the dish to get the best focus and hopefully the optimum range. We did have Electrovoice 643s, but they were generally too unwieldy for football matches, although I do recall being required to operate one at the centreline of the Harlem Globetrotters, where the mass of the microphone, the speed of the players and the polished wooden floor conspired to make the mounting slide about alarmingly. There is an old picture available of OB trucks and crew with a couple of those mics laid on the floor. Before Sennys, we used Labor gun mics ( I think the spelling is correct ). I?ve never found any details of them on line, but the MCR21 restoration people have got a home movie from Ken Osborn which shows them in use mounted on cameras. Other things such as crowd Fx were usually covered by dangling a 4035 from the gantry. Once the 805 and subsequently the 815 became available, they were mounted on cameras using a custom made side mount fixed to the panning head of an EMI 2001. The commentator used a lip mic. The older ones had a spacing bar either side of the mouth instead of the bar on the upper lip. The mic was wired to a mahogany box containing an adjustable equaliser. The commentator also used a Baron Box, which used a single XLR cable to connect to the scanner and offered talkback, a telephone handset and a button operating a cue light to alert the Sound supervisor when they intend to speak or stop speaking. All the best Alan Taylor On 21 Apr 2020, at 18:48, David Taylor via Tech1 wrote: ? TV Sound techniques kept changing continually from those earliest days when many of us started in 'sound'. As I don't see much written about TV Sound back then I would like to write up something, most probably in book form, detailing the changes. Although I'm interested in everything from Operas to Sit-Coms, doing shows live or getting them post produced, I thought I'd start by asking all the BBC and independent Sound Supervisors and those who 'did the rigging' about coverage of football matches. When I started as an assistant at Anglia TV, we used a 'parab' for match FX and hung one or two 'omni's over 'the gantry' for crowd FX. <1967_No89-Coltishall airshow-AngliaTV-Neg26-SS-ts-1200px.jpg> STC 4035 in a Grampian Parabolic Reflector....made more professional with the foam rubber backing added to it! Anglia 1967 When I moved to LWT in 1969 they had started using Senny 805 long-gun mics, still manual operated up in 'the boat'. However Paul Faraday, who started at Rediffusion in 1961 recalls his Supervisor Don Chapman favouring the enormous Electro-Voive EV-643 'bazooka'...when it could be fitted up in the gantry...it was 7feet long! Things changed I recall in the early 70's when camera mic lines allowed Senny gun mics fixed to cameras...and 416's and other mics were appearing around the pitch. Any memories of how you handled football OB's at the BBC and other ITV companies and facilities like TVI, Trilion etc would be interesting to find out. 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On 18/04/2020 19:02, Albert Barber via Tech1 wrote: > Final Checks! > > We are recording! > > Stand by everyone we are going for a take! > > Nice and quiet please! > > And?.action > > > >> On 18 Apr 2020, at 18:17, David Brunt via Tech1 > > wrote: >> >> Couple of thoughts. >> >> Hopefully this isn?t set pre-1947... >> >> If it?s an OB then it would be broadcast live, not recorded.? Unless >> filmed. >> >> >> *From:*patheigham via Tech1 >> *Sent:*Saturday, April 18, 2020 6:02 PM >> *To:*tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> *Subject:*[Tech1] FW: some advice please >> Anyone got any suggestions? >> Pat >> Sent fromMail for >> Windows 10 >> *From:*Adele Fletcher >> *Sent:*18 April 2020 15:39 >> *To:*pat.heigham at amps.net >> *Subject:*some advice please >> Hi Pat, >> How are you? My name is Adele and I?m on Amps council. Hope you and >> your family are keeping safe and well during these strange times. >> >> I was wondering if I could pick your brains on behalf of a friend >> please? Clive and Brian suggested I get in touch with you as you >> worked in television. She needs to write some authentic ADR for a >> scene set in the 1940?s for a TV show. 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URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Tue Apr 21 17:29:49 2020 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2020 23:29:49 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Fw: Television Sound techniques-back in the 'earlydays'-football OB's In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5e9f73db.1c69fb81.24ed7.7554@mx.google.com> Hi David T, I remember using the long Electrovoice, pointing at the feet of tap dancers. If I recall, it came in two cases, one for the capsule, and one for the interference tube. Was there any truth in the story that a very obvious mic being slung over the football crowd, so they could shout their obscenities at it, but it wasn?t plugged up! Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 ? From: David Taylor Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2020 8:34 PM To: David Newbitt Subject: Re: [Tech1] Television Sound techniques-back in the 'early days'-football OB's ? David, Thanks for that information....I'm learning all the time. I didn't know Labor was Sennheiser's name early on. Do you remember how they were used at TC? It was a big mic I know. Did the BBC ever try using the EV-642 at all? Dave T ? -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave at davesound.co.uk Tue Apr 21 18:29:44 2020 From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2020 00:29:44 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Television Sound techniques-back in the 'early days'-football OB's In-Reply-To: <2BB394B4-B0E9-43AE-86FD-A2136DBB0727@me.com> References: <2BB394B4-B0E9-43AE-86FD-A2136DBB0727@me.com> Message-ID: <5864e828e8dave@davesound.co.uk> In article <2BB394B4-B0E9-43AE-86FD-A2136DBB0727 at me.com>, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: > In the BBC there were two types of football coverage, the routine MOTD > matches and then the big events such as the Cup Final. I well remember working on a cup final at Wembley when on attachment to OBs. As the junior on the crew, I was sat on the touchline with a rifle mic. Mates outside the BBC who were keen on footie would have paid handsomely for that job. ;-) I also remember ITV were covering it too. The full catering setup, with steaks and the works. We got an aircraft packed lunch, as there was no room for two lots of catering vehicles. Got chatting to an ITV sound chap about my age. And we compared pay. I moved to Thames the next year. ;-) -- *Artificial Intelligence is no match for Natural Stupidity * Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From jpn at imixmics.co.uk Wed Apr 22 02:42:07 2020 From: jpn at imixmics.co.uk (John Nottage) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2020 08:42:07 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Fw: Television Sound techniques-back in the 'earlydays'-football OB's In-Reply-To: <5e9f73db.1c69fb81.24ed7.7554@mx.google.com> References: <5e9f73db.1c69fb81.24ed7.7554@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <50993b8b-7df8-1cc6-0894-58512fe66061@imixmics.co.uk> I remember rigging the big Electrovoice on the roof at Ascot. The Labor (pronounced "la-bore") rifle mics came later. They had their own screw-on lead to start with, then they were converted to XLR. They never had any sort of windshield. The parabolic dishes were still important for fx coverage when I joined OBs in '69. There was the choice of 2ft or 4ft (we were imperial measures in those days, Alan). Panning the 4ft parab, complete with it's 4035 mic, was a regular job up in the gantry at football matches, including the cup final. General crowd fx were usually just a slung 4035 off the gantry. I seem to remember the Rugby League crew used to sling a special dummy 4035 near the commentary box so the fans could shout abuse at Eddy Waring who they were supposed to hate. We rigged a 4035 on a tall stand (the stands were complete with STC sockets fixed to the top) for the field events at the Commonwealth Games in Edinburgh in '72. After a heavy rain storm, we brought the mic into the scanner, emptied the water out of it, left to dry for an hour or two, then stuck it out again - very tough. I think we must have swapped the windshield which was horse hair & so could get very sodden easily. They found a 4035 hanging above Oxford Street that had been there for years: it still worked! I always assumed the 4035 was the enclosed version of the old 4021 apple & biscuit mic which must have been for indoor use only. Once the 805/816 kit arrived, the ideal soccer rig was one 816 at each end of the boat pointing towards the penalty spot, & one 816 on the low, touchline camera with stick for interviews. Lip & spare for the commentator, lazy mic for the SM, & a couple pairs of old STC cans via the Baron Box. That all made for as fairly quick rig & de-rig. Of course it all got more complicated as Sound Supervisors tried for better, closer fx. I recall Ian Leiper trying ECM50s hanging on the goal nets at Ipswich: good goal fx, but rather a lot of bad language! Stick mics: I started with STC 4037 & (shorter) 4037a. Ian Leiper (again) turned up one day with this new Electrovoice 635 stick. He said it was indestructible & you could hammer nails in with it, & proceeded to sling it down the scanner steps. Somebody pointed out that if he bent the socket, he wouldn't be able to plug it in, so he became a little more careful. Happy days! John On 21/04/2020 23:29, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > Hi David T, > > I remember using the long Electrovoice, pointing at the feet of tap > dancers. If I recall, it came in two cases, one for the capsule, and one > for the interference tube. > > Was there any truth in the story that a very obvious mic being slung > over the football crowd, so they could shout their obscenities at it, > but it wasn?t plugged up! > > Pat > > Sent from Mail for > Windows 10 > > *From:*David Taylor > > *Sent:*Tuesday, April 21, 2020 8:34 PM > > *To:*David Newbitt > > *Subject:*Re: [Tech1] Television Sound techniques-back in the 'early > days'-football OB's > > David, > > Thanks for that information....I'm learning all the time. I didn't know > Labor was Sennheiser's name early on. > Do you remember how they were used at TC? It was a big mic I know. Did > the BBC ever try using the EV-642 at all? > > Dave T > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Avast logo > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com > > > <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > From mibridge at mac.com Wed Apr 22 02:44:05 2020 From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2020 08:44:05 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Fw: Television Sound techniques-back in the 'earlydays'-football OB's In-Reply-To: <5e9f73db.1c69fb81.24ed7.7554@mx.google.com> References: <5e9f73db.1c69fb81.24ed7.7554@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <0FAC2302-ABC2-47DF-AEFB-F98A84FDE76D@mac.com> I operated one of the Electrovoice beasts at Dorchester Courthouse for a production whose name entirely escapes me. I think we had two EVs and two Labors, which were certainly less unwieldy. I can?t remember the precise reasoning as I wasn?t on the receiving end, but we abandoned the EVs, certainly partly because the limited space we had on a raised platform, on one side of the courtroom, sometimes made it impossible to point at the right person and I think that the off-axis response was noticeably different, whereas the Labors were more tolerant off-axis. I don?t know where the EVs were sourced, but I don?t remember ever seeing them again. What this does remind me is that we had a couple of parabolic reflectors in the Bristol stores, one was referred to as the Two-foot Parab and came without any protective case as it was quite a sturdy device, the other was actually a 3 footer, but was listed by the storeman as the Four-foot Parab, because being less robust it came in a four foot square box. I well remember watching that one and its lightweight tripod sailing through the air at Highbury, with the crowd already on the way into the ground! It had been rigged by the Sound Supervisor, who shall remain nameless, but he had merely placed it on a flat surface above the stands, without roping it to the adjacent hand rail. No spectators were hurt in the making of that programme! Mike G > On 21 Apr 2020, at 23:30, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > > ? > Hi David T, > I remember using the long Electrovoice, pointing at the feet of tap dancers. If I recall, it came in two cases, one for the capsule, and one for the interference tube. > > Was there any truth in the story that a very obvious mic being slung over the football crowd, so they could shout their obscenities at it, but it wasn?t plugged up! > > Pat > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > > From: David Taylor > Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2020 8:34 PM > To: David Newbitt > Subject: Re: [Tech1] Television Sound techniques-back in the 'early days'-football OB's > > David, > Thanks for that information....I'm learning all the time. I didn't know Labor was Sennheiser's name early on. > Do you remember how they were used at TC? It was a big mic I know. Did the BBC ever try using the EV-642 at all? > Dave T > > > > > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jpn at imixmics.co.uk Wed Apr 22 02:56:56 2020 From: jpn at imixmics.co.uk (John Nottage) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2020 08:56:56 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Fw: Television Sound techniques-back in the 'early days'-football OB's In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <99369586-fa3e-e96e-ae16-f68c662f9976@imixmics.co.uk> Just found this image on Google. Looks rather like the monster I remember from Ascot, complete with foam windshield. John On 21/04/2020 22:28, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: > Forwarding as it seems first try failed > Dave Newbitt > *From:* David Newbitt > *Sent:* Tuesday, April 21, 2020 8:52 PM > *To:* David Taylor > *Subject:* Re: [Tech1] Television Sound techniques-back in the 'early > days'-football OB's > Hi David, > We typically used them for participating audience programmes, sometimes > in the hand held mount but also boom mounted. I well remember operating > booms carrying the unwieldy things and swinging the arm around with a > careful eye on the folk below. > Dave Newbitt. > *From:* David Taylor > *Sent:* Tuesday, April 21, 2020 8:34 PM > *To:* David Newbitt > *Subject:* Re: [Tech1] Television Sound techniques-back in the 'early > days'-football OB's > David, > Thanks for that information....I'm learning all the time. I didn't know > Labor was Sennheiser's name early on. > Do you remember how they were used at TC? It was a big mic I know. Did > the BBC ever try using the EV-642 at all? > Dave T > On Tue, 21 Apr 2020 at 20:13, David Newbitt via Tech1 > wrote: > > The Labor we used at TC was the Labor MD82. I seem to remember we > referred to it as a rifle mic in the early days. I believe it was > the first mic of its type. Labor of course was Sennheiser before it > was called Sennheiser > Dave Newbitt. > *From:* Alan Taylor via Tech1 > *Sent:* Tuesday, April 21, 2020 7:21 PM > *To:* Tech-Ops-chit-chat > *Subject:* Re: [Tech1] Television Sound techniques-back in the > 'early days'-football OB's > Hi Dave, > In the BBC there were two types of football coverage, the routine > MOTD matches and then the big events such as the Cup Final. > At Wembley up until the early 70s and the introduction of Sennys, a > 1 metre parabolic reflector was suspended from a girder above the > gantry and panned to cover Fx from the pitch.? The microphone in it > was the ubiquitous 4035.? We sometimes found the focus sweet spot by > feeding 1kHz tone into the microphone and panning it from side to > side while somebody else listens at a distance so that we can move > the microphone in and out from the dish to get the best focus and > hopefully the optimum range. > We did have Electrovoice 643s, but they were generally too unwieldy > for football matches, although I do recall being required to operate > one at the centreline of the Harlem Globetrotters, where the mass of > the microphone, the speed of the players and the polished wooden > floor conspired to make the mounting slide about alarmingly. There > is an old picture available of OB trucks and crew with a couple of > those mics laid on the floor. > Before Sennys, we used Labor gun mics ( I think the spelling is > correct ).? I?ve never found any details of them on line, but the > MCR21 restoration people have got a home movie from Ken Osborn which > shows them in use mounted on cameras.? Other things such as crowd Fx > were usually covered by dangling a 4035 from the gantry. > Once the 805 and subsequently the 815 became available, they were > mounted on cameras using a custom made side mount fixed to the > panning head of an EMI 2001. > The commentator used a lip mic. The older ones had a spacing bar > either side of the mouth instead of the bar on the upper lip. The > mic was wired to a mahogany box containing an adjustable equaliser. > The commentator also used a Baron Box, which used a single XLR cable > to connect to the scanner and offered talkback, a telephone handset > and a button operating a cue light to alert the Sound supervisor > when they intend to speak or stop speaking. > All the best > Alan Taylor > >> On 21 Apr 2020, at 18:48, David Taylor via Tech1 >> wrote: >> >> ? >> TV Sound techniques kept changing continually from those earliest >> days when many of us started in 'sound'. As I don't see much >> written about TV Sound back then I would like to write up >> something, most probably in book form, detailing the changes. >> Although I'm interested in everything from Operas to Sit-Coms, >> doing shows live or getting them post produced, I thought I'd >> start by asking all the BBC and independent Sound Supervisors and >> those who 'did the rigging' about coverage of football matches. >> When I started as an assistant at Anglia TV, we used a 'parab' for >> match FX and hung one or two 'omni's over 'the gantry' for crowd FX. >> <1967_No89-Coltishall airshow-AngliaTV-Neg26-SS-ts-1200px.jpg> >> /STC 4035 in a Grampian Parabolic Reflector....made more >> professional with the foam rubber backing added to it! Anglia 1967/ >> When I moved to LWT in 1969 they had started using Senny 805 >> long-gun mics, still manual operated up in 'the boat'. However >> Paul Faraday, who started at Rediffusion in 1961 recalls his >> Supervisor Don Chapman favouring the enormous Electro-Voive EV-643 >> 'bazooka'...when it could be fitted up in the gantry...it was >> 7feet long! >> Things changed I recall in the early 70's when camera mic lines >> allowed Senny gun mics fixed to cameras...and 416's and other mics >> were appearing around the pitch. >> Any memories of how you handled football OB's at the BBC? and >> other ITV companies and facilities like TVI, Trilion etc would be >> interesting to find out. >> Dave Taylor >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: EV Long Mic.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 166093 bytes Desc: not available URL: From jpn at imixmics.co.uk Wed Apr 22 03:02:01 2020 From: jpn at imixmics.co.uk (John Nottage) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2020 09:02:01 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Fw: Television Sound techniques-back in the 'earlydays'-football OB's In-Reply-To: <0FAC2302-ABC2-47DF-AEFB-F98A84FDE76D@mac.com> References: <5e9f73db.1c69fb81.24ed7.7554@mx.google.com> <0FAC2302-ABC2-47DF-AEFB-F98A84FDE76D@mac.com> Message-ID: <8daa7366-76a9-c29a-c1fa-ad71665d16b8@imixmics.co.uk> I'm sure our Kendal Avenue 4ft parab was about 4ft not 3ft: I remember heaving it about enough! It was about twice the diameter of the 2ft parabs. John On 22/04/2020 08:44, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: > I operated one of the Electrovoice beasts at Dorchester Courthouse for a > production whose name entirely escapes me. I think we had two EVs and > two Labors, which were certainly less unwieldy. I can?t remember the > precise reasoning as I wasn?t on the receiving end, but we abandoned the > EVs, certainly partly because the limited space we had on a raised > platform, on one side of the courtroom, sometimes made it impossible to > point at the right person and I think that the off-axis response was > noticeably different, whereas the Labors were more tolerant off-axis. I > don?t know where the EVs were sourced, but I don?t remember ever seeing > them again. > > What this does remind me is that we had a couple of parabolic reflectors > in the Bristol stores, one was referred to as the Two-foot Parab and > came without any protective case as it was quite a sturdy device, the > other was actually a 3 footer, but was listed by the storeman as the > Four-foot Parab, because being less robust it came in a four foot square > box. I well remember watching that one and its lightweight tripod > sailing through the air at Highbury, with the crowd already on the way > into the ground! It had been rigged by the Sound Supervisor, who shall > remain nameless, but he had merely placed it on a flat surface above the > stands, without roping it to the adjacent hand rail. No spectators were > hurt in the making of that programme! > > Mike G > >> On 21 Apr 2020, at 23:30, patheigham via Tech1 >> wrote: >> >> ? >> >> Hi David T, >> >> I remember using the long Electrovoice, pointing at the feet of tap >> dancers. If I recall, it came in two cases, one for the capsule, and >> one for the interference tube. >> >> Was there any truth in the story that a very obvious mic being slung >> over the football crowd, so they could shout their obscenities at it, >> but it wasn?t plugged up! >> >> Pat >> >> Sent from Mail for >> Windows 10 >> >> *From:*David Taylor >> >> *Sent:*Tuesday, April 21, 2020 8:34 PM >> >> *To:*David Newbitt >> >> *Subject:*Re: [Tech1] Television Sound techniques-back in the 'early >> days'-football OB's >> >> David, >> >> Thanks for that information....I'm learning all the time. I didn't >> know Labor was Sennheiser's name early on. >> Do you remember how they were used at TC? It was a big mic I know. Did >> the BBC ever try using the EV-642 at all? >> >> Dave T >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Avast logo >> >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >> www.avast.com >> >> >> <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > From jpn at imixmics.co.uk Wed Apr 22 03:40:57 2020 From: jpn at imixmics.co.uk (John Nottage) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2020 09:40:57 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Did Roger Ball invent the BrightEyes? In-Reply-To: <8daa7366-76a9-c29a-c1fa-ad71665d16b8@imixmics.co.uk> References: <5e9f73db.1c69fb81.24ed7.7554@mx.google.com> <0FAC2302-ABC2-47DF-AEFB-F98A84FDE76D@mac.com> <8daa7366-76a9-c29a-c1fa-ad71665d16b8@imixmics.co.uk> Message-ID: <43c721de-af42-f25a-e4e3-e325c72cd923@imixmics.co.uk> Back in the day, the big sound rig required looms of single mics, all of which needed checking. I turned up at the Lyceum for Come Dancing one day to find Roger Ball had checked all the mics already - it usually took hours. He'd built himself a BrightEyes using an old XLR plug & a couple of LEDs. Phantom Power was a new thing back then & he'd used the BrightEyes to test the cables. After that everybody wanted one. Mine lived on my keyring for years. I always assumed he had invented the thing. Perhaps he did or perhaps he copied someone else's idea. Does anyone know? John From alanaudio at me.com Wed Apr 22 03:45:40 2020 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2020 09:45:40 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Fw: Television Sound techniques-back in the 'earlydays'-football OB's In-Reply-To: <8daa7366-76a9-c29a-c1fa-ad71665d16b8@imixmics.co.uk> References: <8daa7366-76a9-c29a-c1fa-ad71665d16b8@imixmics.co.uk> Message-ID: Those parabs were always known as 4 foot parabs, but it isn?t unknown for guys to overestimate dimensions. From what I can recall, the dish itself was about 1 metre across ? us younger chappies have used metric dimensions all our working lives :-) The Labor rifle mic had a teardrop shaped part at the back to house the microphone, which I think was dynamic. The phase cancellation part was in a mesh covered ridge along the top of the tube. The lack of a windshield, combined with the sensitivity to wind due to it being so directional made it less useful in windy weather. The Electrovoice bazooka mic had a flimsy sort of foam windshield made from thin foam glued together. It was pretty ineffective, although the microphone itself was directional down to about 100Hz due to it?s incredible size, but was terribly unwieldy. Alan Taylor > On 22 Apr 2020, at 09:02, John Nottage via Tech1 wrote: > > ?I'm sure our Kendal Avenue 4ft parab was about 4ft not 3ft: I remember heaving it about enough! It was about twice the diameter of the 2ft parabs. > > John > >> On 22/04/2020 08:44, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: >> I operated one of the Electrovoice beasts at Dorchester Courthouse for a production whose name entirely escapes me. I think we had two EVs and two Labors, which were certainly less unwieldy. I can?t remember the precise reasoning as I wasn?t on the receiving end, but we abandoned the EVs, certainly partly because the limited space we had on a raised platform, on one side of the courtroom, sometimes made it impossible to point at the right person and I think that the off-axis response was noticeably different, whereas the Labors were more tolerant off-axis. I don?t know where the EVs were sourced, but I don?t remember ever seeing them again. >> What this does remind me is that we had a couple of parabolic reflectors in the Bristol stores, one was referred to as the Two-foot Parab and came without any protective case as it was quite a sturdy device, the other was actually a 3 footer, but was listed by the storeman as the Four-foot Parab, because being less robust it came in a four foot square box. I well remember watching that one and its lightweight tripod sailing through the air at Highbury, with the crowd already on the way into the ground! It had been rigged by the Sound Supervisor, who shall remain nameless, but he had merely placed it on a flat surface above the stands, without roping it to the adjacent hand rail. No spectators were hurt in the making of that programme! >> Mike G >>>> On 21 Apr 2020, at 23:30, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: >>> >>> ? >>> >>> Hi David T, >>> >>> I remember using the long Electrovoice, pointing at the feet of tap dancers. If I recall, it came in two cases, one for the capsule, and one for the interference tube. >>> >>> Was there any truth in the story that a very obvious mic being slung over the football crowd, so they could shout their obscenities at it, but it wasn?t plugged up! >>> >>> Pat >>> >>> Sent from Mail for Windows 10 >>> >>> *From:*David Taylor >>> >>> *Sent:*Tuesday, April 21, 2020 8:34 PM >>> >>> *To:*David Newbitt >>> >>> *Subject:*Re: [Tech1] Television Sound techniques-back in the 'early days'-football OB's >>> >>> David, >>> >>> Thanks for that information....I'm learning all the time. I didn't know Labor was Sennheiser's name early on. >>> Do you remember how they were used at TC? It was a big mic I know. Did the BBC ever try using the EV-642 at all? >>> >>> Dave T >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> Avast logo >>> >>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >>> www.avast.com >>> >>> >>> <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From mibridge at mac.com Wed Apr 22 03:55:25 2020 From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2020 09:55:25 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Fw: Television Sound techniques-back in the 'earlydays'-football OB's In-Reply-To: <8daa7366-76a9-c29a-c1fa-ad71665d16b8@imixmics.co.uk> References: <8daa7366-76a9-c29a-c1fa-ad71665d16b8@imixmics.co.uk> Message-ID: <74C86708-60B7-4CAC-B63E-4F8F1DCD2CFF@mac.com> The Bristol 4-foot Parab was definitely nowhere near 48 inches in diameter, and although I never actually put a tape measure on it, I recall it as being about mid-chest to outstretched hand, which is about a yard. I actually doubt that the box was as big as four-feet square, but that?s the way I remember the reason being given for the description. It occurs to me that there may have been common stores lists throughout OBs, so if KA had genuine four-footers, that could be the reason for the Bristol list including them, although we didn?t have one. When I first started on OBs in Bristol, before the Sennheiser 805s arrived, it was common for rigger drivers to be asked to pan the 2-foot Parab on the touch-line at football matches, or down by the starting gate for horse racing. But the practice was soon abandoned in favour of using a sound assistant, because the riggers got too excited by the action and they were not inclined to moderate their language! Once Sennheiser rifles were available, the cameramen did the panning for us, even before mic circuits were accessible via the camera cable. But even after that, I recall using an 805 down by the start at Ascot, via a modified radio mic transmitter, in a biggish back-pack with extra battery packs and a whip aerial, but with limited success for the first start, because I couldn?t stop the policeman on duty from talking loudly to me about the merits of the various horses and I couldn?t explain the issue to him without being heard on mic as well - he took a finger across the lips as indicating that I couldn?t reply, but not that he should also be quiet! He saw reason by the second race! Mike G > On 22 Apr 2020, at 09:02, John Nottage via Tech1 wrote: > > ?I'm sure our Kendal Avenue 4ft parab was about 4ft not 3ft: I remember heaving it about enough! It was about twice the diameter of the 2ft parabs. > > John > >> On 22/04/2020 08:44, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: >> I operated one of the Electrovoice beasts at Dorchester Courthouse for a production whose name entirely escapes me. I think we had two EVs and two Labors, which were certainly less unwieldy. I can?t remember the precise reasoning as I wasn?t on the receiving end, but we abandoned the EVs, certainly partly because the limited space we had on a raised platform, on one side of the courtroom, sometimes made it impossible to point at the right person and I think that the off-axis response was noticeably different, whereas the Labors were more tolerant off-axis. I don?t know where the EVs were sourced, but I don?t remember ever seeing them again. >> What this does remind me is that we had a couple of parabolic reflectors in the Bristol stores, one was referred to as the Two-foot Parab and came without any protective case as it was quite a sturdy device, the other was actually a 3 footer, but was listed by the storeman as the Four-foot Parab, because being less robust it came in a four foot square box. I well remember watching that one and its lightweight tripod sailing through the air at Highbury, with the crowd already on the way into the ground! It had been rigged by the Sound Supervisor, who shall remain nameless, but he had merely placed it on a flat surface above the stands, without roping it to the adjacent hand rail. No spectators were hurt in the making of that programme! >> Mike G >>>> On 21 Apr 2020, at 23:30, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: >>> >>> ? >>> >>> Hi David T, >>> >>> I remember using the long Electrovoice, pointing at the feet of tap dancers. If I recall, it came in two cases, one for the capsule, and one for the interference tube. >>> >>> Was there any truth in the story that a very obvious mic being slung over the football crowd, so they could shout their obscenities at it, but it wasn?t plugged up! >>> >>> Pat >>> >>> Sent from Mail for Windows 10 >>> >>> *From:*David Taylor >>> >>> *Sent:*Tuesday, April 21, 2020 8:34 PM >>> >>> *To:*David Newbitt >>> >>> *Subject:*Re: [Tech1] Television Sound techniques-back in the 'early days'-football OB's >>> >>> David, >>> >>> Thanks for that information....I'm learning all the time. I didn't know Labor was Sennheiser's name early on. >>> Do you remember how they were used at TC? It was a big mic I know. Did the BBC ever try using the EV-642 at all? >>> >>> Dave T >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> Avast logo >>> >>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >>> www.avast.com >>> >>> >>> <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From alanaudio at me.com Wed Apr 22 03:58:57 2020 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2020 09:58:57 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Did Roger Ball invent the BrightEyes? In-Reply-To: <43c721de-af42-f25a-e4e3-e325c72cd923@imixmics.co.uk> References: <43c721de-af42-f25a-e4e3-e325c72cd923@imixmics.co.uk> Message-ID: Yes, I have always assumed that Roger Ball was the first to make a bright eyes built into an XLR shell. None of us had seen or heard of one before although we all instantly recognised the usefulness of it. I made my own the evening after seeing Roger?s one, buying the LEDs from Electrovalue near Ascot on my way home from an early finish on a rig day. I certainly never heard of an earlier version, but it?s now ubiquitous, although generally called a Phantom Tester these days. Alan Taylor > On 22 Apr 2020, at 09:41, John Nottage via Tech1 wrote: > > ?Back in the day, the big sound rig required looms of single mics, all of which needed checking. I turned up at the Lyceum for Come Dancing one day to find Roger Ball had checked all the mics already - it usually took hours. He'd built himself a BrightEyes using an old XLR plug & a couple of LEDs. Phantom Power was a new thing back then & he'd used the BrightEyes to test the cables. After that everybody wanted one. Mine lived on my keyring for years. > > I always assumed he had invented the thing. Perhaps he did or perhaps he copied someone else's idea. Does anyone know? > > John > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk Wed Apr 22 04:18:34 2020 From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2020 10:18:34 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Did Roger Ball invent the BrightEyes? In-Reply-To: <43c721de-af42-f25a-e4e3-e325c72cd923@imixmics.co.uk> References: <5e9f73db.1c69fb81.24ed7.7554@mx.google.com> <0FAC2302-ABC2-47DF-AEFB-F98A84FDE76D@mac.com> <8daa7366-76a9-c29a-c1fa-ad71665d16b8@imixmics.co.uk> <43c721de-af42-f25a-e4e3-e325c72cd923@imixmics.co.uk> Message-ID: Tell me the date you first saw it.... There have been many such designs - I even sold one to Canford, who marketed it for a while - but I don't know who did it "first". Chris Woolf On 22/04/2020 09:40, John Nottage via Tech1 wrote: > Back in the day, the big sound rig required looms of single mics, all > of which needed checking. I turned up at the Lyceum for Come Dancing > one day to find Roger Ball had checked all the mics already - it > usually took hours. He'd built himself a BrightEyes using an old XLR > plug & a couple of LEDs. Phantom Power was a new thing back then & > he'd used the BrightEyes to test the cables. After that everybody > wanted one. Mine lived on my keyring for years. > > I always assumed he had invented the thing. Perhaps he did or perhaps > he copied someone else's idea. Does anyone know? > > John > > From alanaudio at me.com Wed Apr 22 04:59:47 2020 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2020 10:59:47 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Did Roger Ball invent the BrightEyes? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I can?t give you an actual date, but I would put it in the early to mid 1970s. That fits in with my recollection and also ties in with John Nottage?s recollection because the Lyceum was regularly used as a Come Dancing venue at that time. Alan Taylor > On 22 Apr 2020, at 10:18, Chris Woolf via Tech1 wrote: > > ?Tell me the date you first saw it.... > > There have been many such designs - I even sold one to Canford, who marketed it for a while - but I don't know who did it "first". > > Chris Woolf > > >> On 22/04/2020 09:40, John Nottage via Tech1 wrote: >> Back in the day, the big sound rig required looms of single mics, all of which needed checking. I turned up at the Lyceum for Come Dancing one day to find Roger Ball had checked all the mics already - it usually took hours. He'd built himself a BrightEyes using an old XLR plug & a couple of LEDs. Phantom Power was a new thing back then & he'd used the BrightEyes to test the cables. After that everybody wanted one. Mine lived on my keyring for years. >> >> I always assumed he had invented the thing. Perhaps he did or perhaps he copied someone else's idea. Does anyone know? >> >> John >> >> > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From jpn at imixmics.co.uk Wed Apr 22 05:11:51 2020 From: jpn at imixmics.co.uk (John Nottage) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2020 11:11:51 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Did Roger Ball invent the BrightEyes? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Just tried looking up the history of phantom power: https://www.iconnectivity.com/blog/historyofphantompower but it didn't help me to narrow down the date. Probably early to mid '70s as Alan says. Did my picture of an Electrovoice long mic make it on to the site? Most emails I send to Tech Ops come back to me. That one didn't. John On 22/04/2020 10:59, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: > I can?t give you an actual date, but I would put it in the early to mid 1970s. > > That fits in with my recollection and also ties in with John Nottage?s recollection because the Lyceum was regularly used as a Come Dancing venue at that time. > > Alan Taylor > >> On 22 Apr 2020, at 10:18, Chris Woolf via Tech1 wrote: >> >> ?Tell me the date you first saw it.... >> >> There have been many such designs - I even sold one to Canford, who marketed it for a while - but I don't know who did it "first". >> >> Chris Woolf >> >> >>> On 22/04/2020 09:40, John Nottage via Tech1 wrote: >>> Back in the day, the big sound rig required looms of single mics, all of which needed checking. I turned up at the Lyceum for Come Dancing one day to find Roger Ball had checked all the mics already - it usually took hours. He'd built himself a BrightEyes using an old XLR plug & a couple of LEDs. Phantom Power was a new thing back then & he'd used the BrightEyes to test the cables. After that everybody wanted one. Mine lived on my keyring for years. >>> >>> I always assumed he had invented the thing. Perhaps he did or perhaps he copied someone else's idea. Does anyone know? >>> >>> John >>> >>> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > From jpn at imixmics.co.uk Wed Apr 22 05:15:27 2020 From: jpn at imixmics.co.uk (John Nottage) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2020 11:15:27 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Fw: Television Sound techniques-back in the 'earlydays'-football OB's In-Reply-To: <0FAC2302-ABC2-47DF-AEFB-F98A84FDE76D@mac.com> References: <5e9f73db.1c69fb81.24ed7.7554@mx.google.com> <0FAC2302-ABC2-47DF-AEFB-F98A84FDE76D@mac.com> Message-ID: <070526a9-5fca-3369-a253-b8d12c915be6@imixmics.co.uk> In case my Electrovoice long mic photo didn't get to the list, here it is another way: https://wavreport.com/2017/03/04/retro-reviews-ev-643-dynamic-unidirectional-microphone/ This is the one I remember from Ascot, complete with foam windshield. John On 22/04/2020 08:44, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: > I operated one of the Electrovoice beasts at Dorchester Courthouse for a > production whose name entirely escapes me. I think we had two EVs and > two Labors, which were certainly less unwieldy. I can?t remember the > precise reasoning as I wasn?t on the receiving end, but we abandoned the > EVs, certainly partly because the limited space we had on a raised > platform, on one side of the courtroom, sometimes made it impossible to > point at the right person and I think that the off-axis response was > noticeably different, whereas the Labors were more tolerant off-axis. I > don?t know where the EVs were sourced, but I don?t remember ever seeing > them again. > > What this does remind me is that we had a couple of parabolic reflectors > in the Bristol stores, one was referred to as the Two-foot Parab and > came without any protective case as it was quite a sturdy device, the > other was actually a 3 footer, but was listed by the storeman as the > Four-foot Parab, because being less robust it came in a four foot square > box. I well remember watching that one and its lightweight tripod > sailing through the air at Highbury, with the crowd already on the way > into the ground! It had been rigged by the Sound Supervisor, who shall > remain nameless, but he had merely placed it on a flat surface above the > stands, without roping it to the adjacent hand rail. No spectators were > hurt in the making of that programme! > > Mike G > >> On 21 Apr 2020, at 23:30, patheigham via Tech1 >> wrote: >> >> ? >> >> Hi David T, >> >> I remember using the long Electrovoice, pointing at the feet of tap >> dancers. If I recall, it came in two cases, one for the capsule, and >> one for the interference tube. >> >> Was there any truth in the story that a very obvious mic being slung >> over the football crowd, so they could shout their obscenities at it, >> but it wasn?t plugged up! >> >> Pat >> >> Sent from Mail for >> Windows 10 >> >> *From:*David Taylor >> >> *Sent:*Tuesday, April 21, 2020 8:34 PM >> >> *To:*David Newbitt >> >> *Subject:*Re: [Tech1] Television Sound techniques-back in the 'early >> days'-football OB's >> >> David, >> >> Thanks for that information....I'm learning all the time. I didn't >> know Labor was Sennheiser's name early on. >> Do you remember how they were used at TC? It was a big mic I know. Did >> the BBC ever try using the EV-642 at all? >> >> Dave T >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Avast logo >> >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >> www.avast.com >> >> >> <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net Wed Apr 22 05:23:42 2020 From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2020 11:23:42 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Fw: Television Sound techniques-back in the 'earlydays'-football OB's In-Reply-To: <50993b8b-7df8-1cc6-0894-58512fe66061@imixmics.co.uk> References: <5e9f73db.1c69fb81.24ed7.7554@mx.google.com> <50993b8b-7df8-1cc6-0894-58512fe66061@imixmics.co.uk> Message-ID: <36421C41242143C980EC9F73EE006CD9@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> Hi John, You refer to the Electovoice and note "The Labor rifle mics came later". I take it you mean came later to OB's as the Labor MD 82 certainly predated the Electrovoice 643 in production terms. I can only assert this in consequence of a spot of Google sleuthing I've done in case my memory of the Labor as the pioneer was faulty. In Oct 1959 Wayne A Beaverson (the inventor of the Electrovoice) filed for US Patent on the principles that led eventually to the production of the EV642, 643 & 644. The patent was granted in 1963. Meanwhile the 644 was offered as early as 1960, the 642 was in use by 1961, the 643 certainly by 1962. The Labor MD 82 however was in production from 1956. I was amazed at how much info was available in this connection. Dave Newbitt -----Original Message----- From: John Nottage via Tech1 Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2020 8:42 AM To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Fw: Television Sound techniques-back in the 'earlydays'-football OB's I remember rigging the big Electrovoice on the roof at Ascot. The Labor (pronounced "la-bore") rifle mics came later. They had their own screw-on lead to start with, then they were converted to XLR. They never had any sort of windshield. The parabolic dishes were still important for fx coverage when I joined OBs in '69. There was the choice of 2ft or 4ft (we were imperial measures in those days, Alan). Panning the 4ft parab, complete with it's 4035 mic, was a regular job up in the gantry at football matches, including the cup final. General crowd fx were usually just a slung 4035 off the gantry. I seem to remember the Rugby League crew used to sling a special dummy 4035 near the commentary box so the fans could shout abuse at Eddy Waring who they were supposed to hate. We rigged a 4035 on a tall stand (the stands were complete with STC sockets fixed to the top) for the field events at the Commonwealth Games in Edinburgh in '72. After a heavy rain storm, we brought the mic into the scanner, emptied the water out of it, left to dry for an hour or two, then stuck it out again - very tough. I think we must have swapped the windshield which was horse hair & so could get very sodden easily. They found a 4035 hanging above Oxford Street that had been there for years: it still worked! I always assumed the 4035 was the enclosed version of the old 4021 apple & biscuit mic which must have been for indoor use only. Once the 805/816 kit arrived, the ideal soccer rig was one 816 at each end of the boat pointing towards the penalty spot, & one 816 on the low, touchline camera with stick for interviews. Lip & spare for the commentator, lazy mic for the SM, & a couple pairs of old STC cans via the Baron Box. That all made for as fairly quick rig & de-rig. Of course it all got more complicated as Sound Supervisors tried for better, closer fx. I recall Ian Leiper trying ECM50s hanging on the goal nets at Ipswich: good goal fx, but rather a lot of bad language! Stick mics: I started with STC 4037 & (shorter) 4037a. Ian Leiper (again) turned up one day with this new Electrovoice 635 stick. He said it was indestructible & you could hammer nails in with it, & proceeded to sling it down the scanner steps. Somebody pointed out that if he bent the socket, he wouldn't be able to plug it in, so he became a little more careful. Happy days! John On 21/04/2020 23:29, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > Hi David T, > > I remember using the long Electrovoice, pointing at the feet of tap > dancers. If I recall, it came in two cases, one for the capsule, and one > for the interference tube. > > Was there any truth in the story that a very obvious mic being slung over > the football crowd, so they could shout their obscenities at it, but it > wasn?t plugged up! > > Pat > > Sent from Mail for > Windows 10 > > *From:*David Taylor > > *Sent:*Tuesday, April 21, 2020 8:34 PM > > *To:*David Newbitt > > *Subject:*Re: [Tech1] Television Sound techniques-back in the 'early > days'-football OB's > > David, > > Thanks for that information....I'm learning all the time. I didn't know > Labor was Sennheiser's name early on. > Do you remember how they were used at TC? It was a big mic I know. Did the > BBC ever try using the EV-642 at all? > > Dave T > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Avast logo > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com > > > <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From jpn at imixmics.co.uk Wed Apr 22 05:35:34 2020 From: jpn at imixmics.co.uk (jpn) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2020 11:35:34 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Fw: Television Sound techniques-back in the 'earlydays'-football OB's In-Reply-To: <36421C41242143C980EC9F73EE006CD9@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> Message-ID: No, Dave, you're probably right. Thinking back, I imagine the Labors were with OBs when I joined.?I've been trying to post a picture of the long Electrovoice mic which I found on line, but I don't know if it's got there.?JohnSent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. -------- Original message --------From: David Newbitt Date: 22/04/2020 11:23 (GMT+00:00) To: John Nottage , tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Fw: Television Sound techniques-back in the 'earlydays'-football OB's Hi John,You refer to the Electovoice and note "The Labor rifle mics came later". I take it you mean came later to OB's as the Labor MD 82 certainly predated the Electrovoice 643 in production terms. I can only assert this in consequence of a spot of Google sleuthing I've done in case my memory of the Labor as the pioneer was faulty.In Oct 1959 Wayne A Beaverson (the inventor of the Electrovoice) filed for US Patent on the principles that led eventually to the production of the EV642, 643 & 644. The patent was granted in 1963. Meanwhile the 644 was offered as early as 1960, the 642 was in use by 1961, the 643 certainly by 1962.The Labor MD 82 however was in production from 1956. I was amazed at how much info was available in this connection.Dave Newbitt-----Original Message----- From: John Nottage via Tech1Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2020 8:42 AMTo: tech1 at tech-ops.co.ukSubject: Re: [Tech1] Fw: Television Sound techniques-back in the 'earlydays'-football OB'sI remember rigging the big Electrovoice on the roof at Ascot. The Labor(pronounced "la-bore") rifle mics came later. They had their ownscrew-on lead to start with, then they were converted to XLR. They neverhad any sort of windshield.The parabolic dishes were still important for fx coverage when I joinedOBs in '69. There was the choice of 2ft or 4ft (we were imperialmeasures in those days, Alan). Panning the 4ft parab, complete with it's4035 mic, was a regular job up in the gantry at football matches,including the cup final.General crowd fx were usually just a slung 4035 off the gantry. I seemto remember the Rugby League crew used to sling a special dummy 4035near the commentary box so the fans could shout abuse at Eddy Waring whothey were supposed to hate.We rigged a 4035 on a tall stand (the stands were complete with STCsockets fixed to the top) for the field events at the Commonwealth Gamesin Edinburgh in '72. After a heavy rain storm, we brought the mic intothe scanner, emptied the water out of it, left to dry for an hour ortwo, then stuck it out again - very tough. I think we must have swappedthe windshield which was horse hair & so could get very sodden easily.They found a 4035 hanging above Oxford Street that had been there foryears: it still worked! I always assumed the 4035 was the enclosedversion of the old 4021 apple & biscuit mic which must have been forindoor use only.Once the 805/816 kit arrived, the ideal soccer rig was one 816 at eachend of the boat pointing towards the penalty spot, & one 816 on the low,touchline camera with stick for interviews. Lip & spare for thecommentator, lazy mic for the SM, & a couple pairs of old STC cans viathe Baron Box. That all made for as fairly quick rig & de-rig. Of courseit all got more complicated as Sound Supervisors tried for better,closer fx. I recall Ian Leiper trying ECM50s hanging on the goal nets atIpswich: good goal fx, but rather a lot of bad language!Stick mics: I started with STC 4037 & (shorter) 4037a. Ian Leiper(again) turned up one day with this new Electrovoice 635 stick. He saidit was indestructible & you could hammer nails in with it, & proceededto sling it down the scanner steps. Somebody pointed out that if he bentthe socket, he wouldn't be able to plug it in, so he became a littlemore careful.Happy days!JohnOn 21/04/2020 23:29, patheigham via Tech1 wrote:> Hi David T,>> I remember using the long Electrovoice, pointing at the feet of tap > dancers. If I recall, it came in two cases, one for the capsule, and one > for the interference tube.>> Was there any truth in the story that a very obvious mic being slung over > the football crowd, so they could shout their obscenities at it, but it > wasn?t plugged up!>> Pat>> Sent from Mail for > Windows 10>> *From:*David Taylor>> *Sent:*Tuesday, April 21, 2020 8:34 PM>> *To:*David Newbitt>> *Subject:*Re: [Tech1] Television Sound techniques-back in the 'early > days'-football OB's>> David,>> Thanks for that information....I'm learning all the time. I didn't know > Labor was Sennheiser's name early on.> Do you remember how they were used at TC? It was a big mic I know. Did the > BBC ever try using the EV-642 at all?>> Dave T>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------> Avast logo > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.> www.avast.com >>> <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2>>-- Tech1 mailing listTech1 at tech-ops.co.ukhttp://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From keithwicksuk at gmail.com Wed Apr 22 05:42:54 2020 From: keithwicksuk at gmail.com (Keith Wicks) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2020 11:42:54 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Did Roger Ball invent the BrightEyes? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Wikipedia's *Phantom power* article includes: Phantom powering was used in telephone systems since the introduction of the rotary-dial telephone in 1919 before it was applied to condenser microphones.... The first known commercially available phantom-powered microphone was the Schoeps model CMT 20, which came out in 1964, built to the specifications of French radio with 9?12 volt DC phantom power; the positive pole of this powering was grounded. Microphone preamplifiers of the Nagra IV-series tape recorders offered this type of powering as an option for many years and Schoeps continued to support "negative phantom" until the CMT series was discontinued in the mid-1970s, but it is obsolete now. In 1966, Neumann GmbH presented a new type of transistorized microphone to the Norwegian Broadcasting Corporation, NRK. Norwegian Radio had requested phantom-powered operation. Since NRK already had 48 V available in their studios for their emergency lighting systems, this voltage was used for powering the new microphones (model KM 84), and is the origin of 48-V phantom power. This arrangement was later standardized in DIN 45596.... KW Phantom powering was used in telephone systems since the introduction of the rotary-dial telephone in 1919 before it was applied to condenser microphones. One such application in the telephone system was to provide a DC signaling path around transformer connected amplifiers in analogue line transmission systems. The first known commercially available phantom-powered microphone was the Schoeps model CMT 20, which came out in 1964, built to the specifications of French radio with 9?12 volt DC phantom power; the positive pole of this powering was grounded. Microphone preamplifiers of the Nagra IV-series tape recorders offered this type of powering as an option for many years and Schoeps continued to support "negative phantom" until the CMT series was discontinued in the mid-1970s, but it is obsolete now. In 1966, Neumann GmbH presented a new type of transistorized microphone to the Norwegian Broadcasting Corporation , NRK. Norwegian Radio had requested phantom-powered operation. Since NRK already had 48 V available in their studios for their emergency lighting systems, this voltage was used for powering the new microphones (model KM 84), and is the origin of 48-V phantom power. This arrangement was later standardized in DIN 45596. Standards On Wed, 22 Apr 2020 at 11:12, John Nottage via Tech1 wrote: > Just tried looking up the history of phantom power: > > https://www.iconnectivity.com/blog/historyofphantompower > > but it didn't help me to narrow down the date. Probably early to mid > '70s as Alan says. > > Did my picture of an Electrovoice long mic make it on to the site? Most > emails I send to Tech Ops come back to me. That one didn't. > > John > > On 22/04/2020 10:59, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: > > I can?t give you an actual date, but I would put it in the early to mid > 1970s. > > > > That fits in with my recollection and also ties in with John Nottage?s > recollection because the Lyceum was regularly used as a Come Dancing venue > at that time. > > > > Alan Taylor > > > >> On 22 Apr 2020, at 10:18, Chris Woolf via Tech1 > wrote: > >> > >> ?Tell me the date you first saw it.... > >> > >> There have been many such designs - I even sold one to Canford, who > marketed it for a while - but I don't know who did it "first". > >> > >> Chris Woolf > >> > >> > >>> On 22/04/2020 09:40, John Nottage via Tech1 wrote: > >>> Back in the day, the big sound rig required looms of single mics, all > of which needed checking. I turned up at the Lyceum for Come Dancing one > day to find Roger Ball had checked all the mics already - it usually took > hours. He'd built himself a BrightEyes using an old XLR plug & a couple of > LEDs. Phantom Power was a new thing back then & he'd used the BrightEyes to > test the cables. After that everybody wanted one. Mine lived on my keyring > for years. > >>> > >>> I always assumed he had invented the thing. Perhaps he did or perhaps > he copied someone else's idea. Does anyone know? > >>> > >>> John > >>> > >>> > >> > >> -- > >> Tech1 mailing list > >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net Wed Apr 22 05:44:11 2020 From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2020 11:44:11 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Fw: Television Sound techniques-back in the 'earlydays'-football OB's In-Reply-To: <1587551744_18062@vmC8B74A8-EMAIL1> References: <1587551744_18062@vmC8B74A8-EMAIL1> Message-ID: I certainly saw your picture if you refer to the one with the ABC camera. What a machine! Dave Newbitt. From: jpn Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2020 11:35 AM To: David Newbitt ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Fw: Television Sound techniques-back in the 'earlydays'-football OB's No, Dave, you're probably right. Thinking back, I imagine the Labors were with OBs when I joined. I've been trying to post a picture of the long Electrovoice mic which I found on line, but I don't know if it's got there. John Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. -------- Original message -------- From: David Newbitt Date: 22/04/2020 11:23 (GMT+00:00) To: John Nottage , tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Fw: Television Sound techniques-back in the 'earlydays'-football OB's Hi John, You refer to the Electovoice and note "The Labor rifle mics came later". I take it you mean came later to OB's as the Labor MD 82 certainly predated the Electrovoice 643 in production terms. I can only assert this in consequence of a spot of Google sleuthing I've done in case my memory of the Labor as the pioneer was faulty. In Oct 1959 Wayne A Beaverson (the inventor of the Electrovoice) filed for US Patent on the principles that led eventually to the production of the EV642, 643 & 644. The patent was granted in 1963. Meanwhile the 644 was offered as early as 1960, the 642 was in use by 1961, the 643 certainly by 1962. The Labor MD 82 however was in production from 1956. I was amazed at how much info was available in this connection. Dave Newbitt -----Original Message----- From: John Nottage via Tech1 Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2020 8:42 AM To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Fw: Television Sound techniques-back in the 'earlydays'-football OB's I remember rigging the big Electrovoice on the roof at Ascot. The Labor (pronounced "la-bore") rifle mics came later. They had their own screw-on lead to start with, then they were converted to XLR. They never had any sort of windshield. The parabolic dishes were still important for fx coverage when I joined OBs in '69. There was the choice of 2ft or 4ft (we were imperial measures in those days, Alan). Panning the 4ft parab, complete with it's 4035 mic, was a regular job up in the gantry at football matches, including the cup final. General crowd fx were usually just a slung 4035 off the gantry. I seem to remember the Rugby League crew used to sling a special dummy 4035 near the commentary box so the fans could shout abuse at Eddy Waring who they were supposed to hate. We rigged a 4035 on a tall stand (the stands were complete with STC sockets fixed to the top) for the field events at the Commonwealth Games in Edinburgh in '72. After a heavy rain storm, we brought the mic into the scanner, emptied the water out of it, left to dry for an hour or two, then stuck it out again - very tough. I think we must have swapped the windshield which was horse hair & so could get very sodden easily. They found a 4035 hanging above Oxford Street that had been there for years: it still worked! I always assumed the 4035 was the enclosed version of the old 4021 apple & biscuit mic which must have been for indoor use only. Once the 805/816 kit arrived, the ideal soccer rig was one 816 at each end of the boat pointing towards the penalty spot, & one 816 on the low, touchline camera with stick for interviews. Lip & spare for the commentator, lazy mic for the SM, & a couple pairs of old STC cans via the Baron Box. That all made for as fairly quick rig & de-rig. Of course it all got more complicated as Sound Supervisors tried for better, closer fx. I recall Ian Leiper trying ECM50s hanging on the goal nets at Ipswich: good goal fx, but rather a lot of bad language! Stick mics: I started with STC 4037 & (shorter) 4037a. Ian Leiper (again) turned up one day with this new Electrovoice 635 stick. He said it was indestructible & you could hammer nails in with it, & proceeded to sling it down the scanner steps. Somebody pointed out that if he bent the socket, he wouldn't be able to plug it in, so he became a little more careful. Happy days! John On 21/04/2020 23:29, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > Hi David T, > > I remember using the long Electrovoice, pointing at the feet of tap > dancers. If I recall, it came in two cases, one for the capsule, and one > for the interference tube. > > Was there any truth in the story that a very obvious mic being slung over > the football crowd, so they could shout their obscenities at it, but it > wasn?t plugged up! > > Pat > > Sent from Mail for > Windows 10 > > *From:*David Taylor > > *Sent:*Tuesday, April 21, 2020 8:34 PM > > *To:*David Newbitt > > *Subject:*Re: [Tech1] Television Sound techniques-back in the 'early > days'-football OB's > > David, > > Thanks for that information....I'm learning all the time. I didn't know > Labor was Sennheiser's name early on. > Do you remember how they were used at TC? It was a big mic I know. Did the > BBC ever try using the EV-642 at all? > > Dave T > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Avast logo > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com > > > <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From barrybonner119 at btinternet.com Wed Apr 22 06:16:39 2020 From: barrybonner119 at btinternet.com (Barry Bonner) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2020 12:16:39 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Did Roger Ball invent the BrightEyes? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I think it was Jon Sweeney along with Neil Cooper who invented ?BrightEyes?. Barry. On 22 Apr 2020, at 11:11, John Nottage via Tech1 wrote: > Just tried looking up the history of phantom power: > > https://www.iconnectivity.com/blog/historyofphantompower > > but it didn't help me to narrow down the date. Probably early to mid '70s as Alan says. > > Did my picture of an Electrovoice long mic make it on to the site? Most emails I send to Tech Ops come back to me. That one didn't. > > John > > On 22/04/2020 10:59, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: >> I can?t give you an actual date, but I would put it in the early to mid 1970s. >> That fits in with my recollection and also ties in with John Nottage?s recollection because the Lyceum was regularly used as a Come Dancing venue at that time. >> Alan Taylor >>> On 22 Apr 2020, at 10:18, Chris Woolf via Tech1 wrote: >>> >>> ?Tell me the date you first saw it.... >>> >>> There have been many such designs - I even sold one to Canford, who marketed it for a while - but I don't know who did it "first". >>> >>> Chris Woolf >>> >>> >>>> On 22/04/2020 09:40, John Nottage via Tech1 wrote: >>>> Back in the day, the big sound rig required looms of single mics, all of which needed checking. I turned up at the Lyceum for Come Dancing one day to find Roger Ball had checked all the mics already - it usually took hours. He'd built himself a BrightEyes using an old XLR plug & a couple of LEDs. Phantom Power was a new thing back then & he'd used the BrightEyes to test the cables. After that everybody wanted one. Mine lived on my keyring for years. >>>> >>>> I always assumed he had invented the thing. Perhaps he did or perhaps he copied someone else's idea. Does anyone know? >>>> >>>> John >>>> >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From waresound at msn.com Wed Apr 22 06:23:18 2020 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2020 11:23:18 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Did Roger Ball invent the BrightEyes? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: With respect, I think any claim to have invented the bright eyes would be on a par with claiming to have invented the soldering iron. It?s something we all did as soon as phantom power and LED?s came on the scene - it was such an obvious idea. I built several mixers with 48V phantom well before it appeared in BBC studios, and a checker tool of some kind was essential.* I really wanted to prove the point by showing mine, built into a cut down old fashioned style Cannon XLR, probably around 1973/4, but like a heap of other redundant junk, I fear it went into the skip when we moved house, so I can?t. * Sound desk originated Phantom power was late arriving in BBC studios because the apparent need for a 30 - 300ohm transformer in the wall box made it impractical. Plus, of course, not ideal when plugging in ribbon mics! Cheers, Nick. Sent from my iPad mini 5 > On 22 Apr 2020, at 10:18, Chris Woolf via Tech1 wrote: > > ?Tell me the date you first saw it.... > > There have been many such designs - I even sold one to Canford, who marketed it for a while - but I don't know who did it "first". > > Chris Woolf > > >> On 22/04/2020 09:40, John Nottage via Tech1 wrote: >> Back in the day, the big sound rig required looms of single mics, all of which needed checking. I turned up at the Lyceum for Come Dancing one day to find Roger Ball had checked all the mics already - it usually took hours. He'd built himself a BrightEyes using an old XLR plug & a couple of LEDs. Phantom Power was a new thing back then & he'd used the BrightEyes to test the cables. After that everybody wanted one. Mine lived on my keyring for years. >> >> I always assumed he had invented the thing. Perhaps he did or perhaps he copied someone else's idea. Does anyone know? >> >> John >> >> > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From bernie833 at gmail.com Wed Apr 22 06:31:23 2020 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2020 12:31:23 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Did Roger Ball invent the BrightEyes? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1696f13f-0000-925c-36b4-05a952cbf9ee@gmail.com> An early mention of phantom power - -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: iepdbehgagppfdnf.png Type: image/png Size: 166819 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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A pocket sized phantom checker was invaluable on OBs because we used multiple lengthy cable runs with multiple joints, so I would suggest that necessity was the mother of invention. Being the sort of person who always wants to know how stuff works, I was talking to Roger about it when he first showed it to me and we discussed at length what value resistor to use to drop 48V down to what was needed for an LED. We completely overlooked that a 48V phantom power supply has high value resistors in each leg and in reality, you don't need any resistors or other components at all because the phantom power supply will only let about 10mA flow and that's a nice current to illuminate an LED. For donkey's years, when I have made phantom testers for myself, I only use high brightness LEDs wired directly to the pins. Alan Taylor On 22 Apr 2020, at 22 Apr . 12:23, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: > With respect, I think any claim to have invented the bright eyes would be on a par with claiming to have invented the soldering iron. It?s something we all did as soon as phantom power and LED?s came on the scene - it was such an obvious idea. I built several mixers with 48V phantom well before it appeared in BBC studios, and a checker tool of some kind was essential.* > I really wanted to prove the point by showing mine, built into a cut down old fashioned style Cannon XLR, probably around 1973/4, but like a heap of other redundant junk, I fear it went into the skip when we moved house, so I can?t. > * Sound desk originated Phantom power was late arriving in BBC studios because the apparent need for a 30 - 300ohm transformer in the wall box made it impractical. Plus, of course, not ideal when plugging in ribbon mics! > Cheers, > Nick. > Sent from my iPad mini 5 > >> On 22 Apr 2020, at 10:18, Chris Woolf via Tech1 wrote: >> >> ?Tell me the date you first saw it.... >> >> There have been many such designs - I even sold one to Canford, who marketed it for a while - but I don't know who did it "first". >> >> Chris Woolf >> >> >>> On 22/04/2020 09:40, John Nottage via Tech1 wrote: >>> Back in the day, the big sound rig required looms of single mics, all of which needed checking. I turned up at the Lyceum for Come Dancing one day to find Roger Ball had checked all the mics already - it usually took hours. He'd built himself a BrightEyes using an old XLR plug & a couple of LEDs. Phantom Power was a new thing back then & he'd used the BrightEyes to test the cables. After that everybody wanted one. Mine lived on my keyring for years. >>> >>> I always assumed he had invented the thing. Perhaps he did or perhaps he copied someone else's idea. Does anyone know? >>> >>> John >>> >>> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk Wed Apr 22 06:50:11 2020 From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2020 12:50:11 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Did Roger Ball invent the BrightEyes? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <09c7d1ab-be45-888a-d7ba-4eeb48ad3a40@chriswoolf.co.uk> I agree, Nick. Most claims are spurious. And I suspect many of the timelines are a little adrift too. Visible light LEDs cheap enough for us to play with didn't come in till the late 1970s, and the early current limit for P48 was 2mA - pretty low for driving inefficient early LEDs - and not revised upwards to 10mA until 1979. The technique was obvious enough, and the only addition for my Canford design was the addition of some zeners to prove adequate voltage as well as the presence of power on both legs. The great problem with "inventions" is that there comes a moment in history when all the elements necessary to make something "new" become available at about the same time, and the "idea" becomes relatively obvious. Thus lots of people do it at about the same time, and hence everyone squabbles about who was "first". The admirable souls are those who generate something new out of nowhere - people like Alan Blumlein - as opposed to the likes of Dyson and Sinclair, who have mostly just exploited technology that already exists (and been good at the PR). Chris Woolf On 22/04/2020 12:23, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: > With respect, I think any claim to have invented the bright eyes would be on a par with claiming to have invented the soldering iron. It?s something we all did as soon as phantom power and LED?s came on the scene - it was such an obvious idea. I built several mixers with 48V phantom well before it appeared in BBC studios, and a checker tool of some kind was essential.* > I really wanted to prove the point by showing mine, built into a cut down old fashioned style Cannon XLR, probably around 1973/4, but like a heap of other redundant junk, I fear it went into the skip when we moved house, so I can?t. > * Sound desk originated Phantom power was late arriving in BBC studios because the apparent need for a 30 - 300ohm transformer in the wall box made it impractical. Plus, of course, not ideal when plugging in ribbon mics! > Cheers, > Nick. > Sent from my iPad mini 5 > >> On 22 Apr 2020, at 10:18, Chris Woolf via Tech1 wrote: >> >> ?Tell me the date you first saw it.... >> >> There have been many such designs - I even sold one to Canford, who marketed it for a while - but I don't know who did it "first". >> >> Chris Woolf >> >> >>> On 22/04/2020 09:40, John Nottage via Tech1 wrote: >>> Back in the day, the big sound rig required looms of single mics, all of which needed checking. I turned up at the Lyceum for Come Dancing one day to find Roger Ball had checked all the mics already - it usually took hours. He'd built himself a BrightEyes using an old XLR plug & a couple of LEDs. Phantom Power was a new thing back then & he'd used the BrightEyes to test the cables. After that everybody wanted one. Mine lived on my keyring for years. >>> >>> I always assumed he had invented the thing. Perhaps he did or perhaps he copied someone else's idea. Does anyone know? >>> >>> John >>> >>> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From nick at nickway.co.uk Wed Apr 22 07:20:47 2020 From: nick at nickway.co.uk (Nick Way) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2020 13:20:47 +0100 (BST) Subject: [Tech1] Did Roger Ball invent the BrightEyes? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1362449659.658680.1587558047271@email.ionos.co.uk> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Ch9bbJeWUAA3S0f.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 162133 bytes Desc: not available URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Wed Apr 22 07:31:21 2020 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2020 13:31:21 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Did Roger Ball invent the BrightEyes? In-Reply-To: <1362449659.658680.1587558047271@email.ionos.co.uk> References: <1362449659.658680.1587558047271@email.ionos.co.uk> Message-ID: <5ea0391a.1c69fb81.5a603.3e0d@mx.google.com> Was your story the inspiration for the attached? Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Nick Way via Tech1 Sent: 22 April 2020 13:21 To: Nick Ware; Nick Ware via Tech1 Subject: Re: [Tech1] Did Roger Ball invent the BrightEyes? Dear Colleagues, I just want to say a hearty thank you for all the stories and memories. On my last day at a Golf Course, the man whose name has slipped away (he's on the Christmas Tapes with a gun mic behing the Actor on a horse drawn buggy, who complains "let's get the farts over with and get on with it), -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <5ea0391a.1c69fb81.5a603.3e0d@mx.google.com> References: <1362449659.658680.1587558047271@email.ionos.co.uk> <5ea0391a.1c69fb81.5a603.3e0d@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <1E183D7B-17D8-4AE6-938D-F2874D796DC5@btinternet.com> It was the actor Joss Ackland who was on the Christmas tape with the farting horse. Barry. 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At the time he was a sound assistant at Kendal Avenue, but soon after went on to become a very successful underwater cameraman in the movie world. People involved with equine activities will tell you all sorts of horse feeds which create flatulence in horses, but none of them compare to the red light appearing on a camera. It's an altogether more delicate problem when such things happen with humans. The first drama I worked on as a sound supervisor was The Bell, by Iris Murdoch. Rowena Cooper was a very dignified actress of a certain age, playing the role of Mother Superior in a highly emotional scene with Ian Holm. It was a very quiet location and this quietly voiced dialogue with poignant silences was pivotal to the whole story but there were constant tummy rumbles throughout. It became obvious who was the source of the noises, but nobody had the audacity to point an accusing finger at such a respected and much loved actress. As a result we did multiple takes until we finally got a take without distracting noises over any dialogue, we knew we could eliminate any noises during the pauses so long as the dialogue was clean. The biggest challenge was coming up with innocent excuses for why we needed a retake for such an emotionally draining scene. Alan Taylor On 22 Apr 2020, at 22 Apr . 13:20, Nick Way via Tech1 wrote: > Dear Colleagues, > > I just want to say a hearty thank you for all the stories and memories. > > I'm in Lockdown here in Dubai and allowed out every three days to go shopping for food or medication. Currently on two months unpaid leave and filling in my time writing my long planned book. Both my parents wrote for the grandchildren. My Father about his childhood and RAF career; my Mother about evacuation to Canada and the States during the war. I'm pleased they did. My Dad died in 2000 aged 77 and having re-read the book, our minds are so very similar. My Mother has dementia so all we have is the book. Mine will heavily feature my sixteen years at the Beeb, of course! > > When I went for my stint on OBs out from the Centre in '81, the first thing we all did was go to stores and were issued with a Cannon XLR3F, two LEDs and resistors (I think we needed two?). We went to a workshop and made our own Bright Eyes. On my last day at a Golf Course, the man whose name has slipped away (he's on the Christmas Tapes with a gun mic behing the Actor on a horse drawn buggy, who complains "let's get the farts over with and get on with it), borrowed it in a hurry and ran off. I've never seen him again and will never forgive him either! > > Barry, Jon Sweeney and Neil Cooper came after my OB summer but they came up with their tester the Yibbox. Named after they used to be asked "where's ya box?" > > > > Keep the communications open and keep safe everyone. > > With best wishes, > > Nick Way >> On 22 April 2020 at 12:23 Nick Ware via Tech1 < tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote: >> >> >> With respect, I think any claim to have invented the bright eyes would be on a par with claiming to have invented the soldering iron. It?s something we all did as soon as phantom power and LED?s came on the scene - it was such an obvious idea. I built several mixers with 48V phantom well before it appeared in BBC studios, and a checker tool of some kind was essential.* >> I really wanted to prove the point by showing mine, built into a cut down old fashioned style Cannon XLR, probably around 1973/4, but like a heap of other redundant junk, I fear it went into the skip when we moved house, so I can?t. >> * Sound desk originated Phantom power was late arriving in BBC studios because the apparent need for a 30 - 300ohm transformer in the wall box made it impractical. Plus, of course, not ideal when plugging in ribbon mics! >> Cheers, >> Nick. >> Sent from my iPad mini 5 >> >>> On 22 Apr 2020, at 10:18, Chris Woolf via Tech1 < tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote: >>> >>> Tell me the date you first saw it.... >>> >>> There have been many such designs - I even sold one to Canford, who marketed it for a while - but I don't know who did it "first". >>> >>> Chris Woolf >>> >>> >>>> On 22/04/2020 09:40, John Nottage via Tech1 wrote: >>>> Back in the day, the big sound rig required looms of single mics, all of which needed checking. I turned up at the Lyceum for Come Dancing one day to find Roger Ball had checked all the mics already - it usually took hours. He'd built himself a BrightEyes using an old XLR plug & a couple of LEDs. Phantom Power was a new thing back then & he'd used the BrightEyes to test the cables. After that everybody wanted one. Mine lived on my keyring for years. >>>> >>>> I always assumed he had invented the thing. Perhaps he did or perhaps he copied someone else's idea. Does anyone know? >>>> >>>> John >>>> >>>> >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From waresound at msn.com Wed Apr 22 11:07:34 2020 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2020 16:07:34 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Did Roger Ball invent the BrightEyes? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: ?It?s quite fascinating to compare notes with others on topics like this. I have always found that a discreet and honest ?Would you like a glass of water? I?m hearing a hint of tummy rumble going on? never fails. Usually produces a thankful response. They are, after all, actors, not the people they are portraying. Admittedly, it?s much easier on location where things are a bit less stressy than coming from someone they can?t see. Even with Royalty I have found it worked perfectly amicably. Ditto, when you hear those clicky noises due to dry mouth, etc. Can?t say I?d know how to handle a fart situation though. Depends on the person, I suppose. Thankfully I?ve never encountered that on a take! But I know the agony all too well of trying to decide whether to say something or let it go in the hope it can be salvaged. Nick. Sent from my iPad mini 5 On 22 Apr 2020, at 14:10, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: ? To hell with it, I'll name names. My guess is that your horsey fart man with a penchant for pinching phantom testers might have been Mike Valentine. At the time he was a sound assistant at Kendal Avenue, but soon after went on to become a very successful underwater cameraman in the movie world. People involved with equine activities will tell you all sorts of horse feeds which create flatulence in horses, but none of them compare to the red light appearing on a camera. It's an altogether more delicate problem when such things happen with humans. The first drama I worked on as a sound supervisor was The Bell, by Iris Murdoch. Rowena Cooper was a very dignified actress of a certain age, playing the role of Mother Superior in a highly emotional scene with Ian Holm. It was a very quiet location and this quietly voiced dialogue with poignant silences was pivotal to the whole story but there were constant tummy rumbles throughout. It became obvious who was the source of the noises, but nobody had the audacity to point an accusing finger at such a respected and much loved actress. As a result we did multiple takes until we finally got a take without distracting noises over any dialogue, we knew we could eliminate any noises during the pauses so long as the dialogue was clean. The biggest challenge was coming up with innocent excuses for why we needed a retake for such an emotionally draining scene. Alan Taylor On 22 Apr 2020, at 22 Apr . 13:20, Nick Way via Tech1 > wrote: Dear Colleagues, I just want to say a hearty thank you for all the stories and memories. I'm in Lockdown here in Dubai and allowed out every three days to go shopping for food or medication. Currently on two months unpaid leave and filling in my time writing my long planned book. Both my parents wrote for the grandchildren. My Father about his childhood and RAF career; my Mother about evacuation to Canada and the States during the war. I'm pleased they did. My Dad died in 2000 aged 77 and having re-read the book, our minds are so very similar. My Mother has dementia so all we have is the book. Mine will heavily feature my sixteen years at the Beeb, of course! When I went for my stint on OBs out from the Centre in '81, the first thing we all did was go to stores and were issued with a Cannon XLR3F, two LEDs and resistors (I think we needed two?). We went to a workshop and made our own Bright Eyes. On my last day at a Golf Course, the man whose name has slipped away (he's on the Christmas Tapes with a gun mic behing the Actor on a horse drawn buggy, who complains "let's get the farts over with and get on with it), borrowed it in a hurry and ran off. I've never seen him again and will never forgive him either! Barry, Jon Sweeney and Neil Cooper came after my OB summer but they came up with their tester the Yibbox. Named after they used to be asked "where's ya box?" Keep the communications open and keep safe everyone. With best wishes, Nick Way On 22 April 2020 at 12:23 Nick Ware via Tech1 < tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote: With respect, I think any claim to have invented the bright eyes would be on a par with claiming to have invented the soldering iron. It?s something we all did as soon as phantom power and LED?s came on the scene - it was such an obvious idea. I built several mixers with 48V phantom well before it appeared in BBC studios, and a checker tool of some kind was essential.* I really wanted to prove the point by showing mine, built into a cut down old fashioned style Cannon XLR, probably around 1973/4, but like a heap of other redundant junk, I fear it went into the skip when we moved house, so I can?t. * Sound desk originated Phantom power was late arriving in BBC studios because the apparent need for a 30 - 300ohm transformer in the wall box made it impractical. Plus, of course, not ideal when plugging in ribbon mics! Cheers, Nick. Sent from my iPad mini 5 On 22 Apr 2020, at 10:18, Chris Woolf via Tech1 < tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote: Tell me the date you first saw it.... There have been many such designs - I even sold one to Canford, who marketed it for a while - but I don't know who did it "first". Chris Woolf On 22/04/2020 09:40, John Nottage via Tech1 wrote: Back in the day, the big sound rig required looms of single mics, all of which needed checking. I turned up at the Lyceum for Come Dancing one day to find Roger Ball had checked all the mics already - it usually took hours. He'd built himself a BrightEyes using an old XLR plug & a couple of LEDs. Phantom Power was a new thing back then & he'd used the BrightEyes to test the cables. After that everybody wanted one. Mine lived on my keyring for years. I always assumed he had invented the thing. Perhaps he did or perhaps he copied someone else's idea. Does anyone know? 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I have always found that a discreet and honest ?Would you like a glass of water? I?m hearing a hint of tummy rumble going on? never fails. Usually produces a thankful response. They are, after all, actors, not the people they are portraying. Admittedly, it?s much easier on location where things are a bit less stressy than coming from someone they can?t see. Even with Royalty I have found it worked perfectly amicably. Ditto, when you hear those clicky noises due to dry mouth, etc. Can?t say I?d know how to handle a fart situation though. Depends on the person, I suppose. Thankfully I?ve never encountered that on a take! >> But I know the agony all too well of trying to decide whether to say something or let it go in the hope it can be salvaged. >> Nick. >> Sent from my iPad mini 5 >> >>> On 22 Apr 2020, at 14:10, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: >>> >>> ? To hell with it, I'll name names. >>> >>> My guess is that your horsey fart man with a penchant for pinching phantom testers might have been Mike Valentine. At the time he was a sound assistant at Kendal Avenue, but soon after went on to become a very successful underwater cameraman in the movie world. >>> >>> People involved with equine activities will tell you all sorts of horse feeds which create flatulence in horses, but none of them compare to the red light appearing on a camera. >>> >>> It's an altogether more delicate problem when such things happen with humans. The first drama I worked on as a sound supervisor was The Bell, by Iris Murdoch. Rowena Cooper was a very dignified actress of a certain age, playing the role of Mother Superior in a highly emotional scene with Ian Holm. It was a very quiet location and this quietly voiced dialogue with poignant silences was pivotal to the whole story but there were constant tummy rumbles throughout. It became obvious who was the source of the noises, but nobody had the audacity to point an accusing finger at such a respected and much loved actress. As a result we did multiple takes until we finally got a take without distracting noises over any dialogue, we knew we could eliminate any noises during the pauses so long as the dialogue was clean. The biggest challenge was coming up with innocent excuses for why we needed a retake for such an emotionally draining scene. >>> >>> Alan Taylor >>> >>> >>> On 22 Apr 2020, at 22 Apr . 13:20, Nick Way via Tech1 wrote: >>> >>>> Dear Colleagues, >>>> >>>> I just want to say a hearty thank you for all the stories and memories. >>>> >>>> I'm in Lockdown here in Dubai and allowed out every three days to go shopping for food or medication. Currently on two months unpaid leave and filling in my time writing my long planned book. Both my parents wrote for the grandchildren. My Father about his childhood and RAF career; my Mother about evacuation to Canada and the States during the war. I'm pleased they did. My Dad died in 2000 aged 77 and having re-read the book, our minds are so very similar. My Mother has dementia so all we have is the book. Mine will heavily feature my sixteen years at the Beeb, of course! >>>> >>>> When I went for my stint on OBs out from the Centre in '81, the first thing we all did was go to stores and were issued with a Cannon XLR3F, two LEDs and resistors (I think we needed two?). We went to a workshop and made our own Bright Eyes. On my last day at a Golf Course, the man whose name has slipped away (he's on the Christmas Tapes with a gun mic behing the Actor on a horse drawn buggy, who complains "let's get the farts over with and get on with it), borrowed it in a hurry and ran off. I've never seen him again and will never forgive him either! >>>> >>>> Barry, Jon Sweeney and Neil Cooper came after my OB summer but they came up with their tester the Yibbox. Named after they used to be asked "where's ya box?" >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Keep the communications open and keep safe everyone. >>>> >>>> With best wishes, >>>> >>>> Nick Way >>>>> On 22 April 2020 at 12:23 Nick Ware via Tech1 < tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> With respect, I think any claim to have invented the bright eyes would be on a par with claiming to have invented the soldering iron. It?s something we all did as soon as phantom power and LED?s came on the scene - it was such an obvious idea. I built several mixers with 48V phantom well before it appeared in BBC studios, and a checker tool of some kind was essential.* >>>>> I really wanted to prove the point by showing mine, built into a cut down old fashioned style Cannon XLR, probably around 1973/4, but like a heap of other redundant junk, I fear it went into the skip when we moved house, so I can?t. >>>>> * Sound desk originated Phantom power was late arriving in BBC studios because the apparent need for a 30 - 300ohm transformer in the wall box made it impractical. Plus, of course, not ideal when plugging in ribbon mics! >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> Nick. >>>>> Sent from my iPad mini 5 >>>>> >>>>>> On 22 Apr 2020, at 10:18, Chris Woolf via Tech1 < tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Tell me the date you first saw it.... >>>>>> >>>>>> There have been many such designs - I even sold one to Canford, who marketed it for a while - but I don't know who did it "first". >>>>>> >>>>>> Chris Woolf >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 22/04/2020 09:40, John Nottage via Tech1 wrote: >>>>>>> Back in the day, the big sound rig required looms of single mics, all of which needed checking. I turned up at the Lyceum for Come Dancing one day to find Roger Ball had checked all the mics already - it usually took hours. He'd built himself a BrightEyes using an old XLR plug & a couple of LEDs. Phantom Power was a new thing back then & he'd used the BrightEyes to test the cables. After that everybody wanted one. 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Admittedly, it?s much easier on location where things are a bit less stressy than coming from someone they can?t see. Even with Royalty I have found it worked perfectly amicably. Ditto, when you hear those clicky noises due to dry mouth, etc. Can?t say I?d know how to handle a fart situation though. Depends on the person, I suppose. Thankfully I?ve never encountered that on a take! But I know the agony all too well of trying to decide whether to say something or let it go in the hope it can be salvaged. Nick. Sent from my iPad mini 5 On 22 Apr 2020, at 14:10, Alan Taylor via Tech1 > wrote: ? To hell with it, I'll name names. My guess is that your horsey fart man with a penchant for pinching phantom testers might have been Mike Valentine. At the time he was a sound assistant at Kendal Avenue, but soon after went on to become a very successful underwater cameraman in the movie world. People involved with equine activities will tell you all sorts of horse feeds which create flatulence in horses, but none of them compare to the red light appearing on a camera. It's an altogether more delicate problem when such things happen with humans. The first drama I worked on as a sound supervisor was The Bell, by Iris Murdoch. Rowena Cooper was a very dignified actress of a certain age, playing the role of Mother Superior in a highly emotional scene with Ian Holm. It was a very quiet location and this quietly voiced dialogue with poignant silences was pivotal to the whole story but there were constant tummy rumbles throughout. It became obvious who was the source of the noises, but nobody had the audacity to point an accusing finger at such a respected and much loved actress. As a result we did multiple takes until we finally got a take without distracting noises over any dialogue, we knew we could eliminate any noises during the pauses so long as the dialogue was clean. The biggest challenge was coming up with innocent excuses for why we needed a retake for such an emotionally draining scene. Alan Taylor On 22 Apr 2020, at 22 Apr . 13:20, Nick Way via Tech1 > wrote: Dear Colleagues, I just want to say a hearty thank you for all the stories and memories. I'm in Lockdown here in Dubai and allowed out every three days to go shopping for food or medication. Currently on two months unpaid leave and filling in my time writing my long planned book. Both my parents wrote for the grandchildren. My Father about his childhood and RAF career; my Mother about evacuation to Canada and the States during the war. I'm pleased they did. My Dad died in 2000 aged 77 and having re-read the book, our minds are so very similar. My Mother has dementia so all we have is the book. Mine will heavily feature my sixteen years at the Beeb, of course! When I went for my stint on OBs out from the Centre in '81, the first thing we all did was go to stores and were issued with a Cannon XLR3F, two LEDs and resistors (I think we needed two?). We went to a workshop and made our own Bright Eyes. On my last day at a Golf Course, the man whose name has slipped away (he's on the Christmas Tapes with a gun mic behing the Actor on a horse drawn buggy, who complains "let's get the farts over with and get on with it), borrowed it in a hurry and ran off. I've never seen him again and will never forgive him either! Barry, Jon Sweeney and Neil Cooper came after my OB summer but they came up with their tester the Yibbox. Named after they used to be asked "where's ya box?" Keep the communications open and keep safe everyone. With best wishes, Nick Way On 22 April 2020 at 12:23 Nick Ware via Tech1 < tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > wrote: With respect, I think any claim to have invented the bright eyes would be on a par with claiming to have invented the soldering iron. It?s something we all did as soon as phantom power and LED?s came on the scene - it was such an obvious idea. I built several mixers with 48V phantom well before it appeared in BBC studios, and a checker tool of some kind was essential.* I really wanted to prove the point by showing mine, built into a cut down old fashioned style Cannon XLR, probably around 1973/4, but like a heap of other redundant junk, I fear it went into the skip when we moved house, so I can?t. * Sound desk originated Phantom power was late arriving in BBC studios because the apparent need for a 30 - 300ohm transformer in the wall box made it impractical. Plus, of course, not ideal when plugging in ribbon mics! Cheers, Nick. Sent from my iPad mini 5 On 22 Apr 2020, at 10:18, Chris Woolf via Tech1 < tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > wrote: Tell me the date you first saw it.... There have been many such designs - I even sold one to Canford, who marketed it for a while - but I don't know who did it "first". Chris Woolf On 22/04/2020 09:40, John Nottage via Tech1 wrote: Back in the day, the big sound rig required looms of single mics, all of which needed checking. I turned up at the Lyceum for Come Dancing one day to find Roger Ball had checked all the mics already - it usually took hours. He'd built himself a BrightEyes using an old XLR plug & a couple of LEDs. Phantom Power was a new thing back then & he'd used the BrightEyes to test the cables. After that everybody wanted one. Mine lived on my keyring for years. I always assumed he had invented the thing. Perhaps he did or perhaps he copied someone else's idea. Does anyone know? 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Cheers, Dave From techtone at protonmail.com Wed Apr 22 14:46:33 2020 From: techtone at protonmail.com (techtone) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2020 19:46:33 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Evening walk Message-ID: A couple of nights ago, walk up the lane and look out over the fence. TeaTeaFN - Tony Sent with [ProtonMail](https://protonmail.com) Secure Email. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 20200408_195403.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 2440651 bytes Desc: not available URL: From mibridge at mac.com Wed Apr 22 17:17:37 2020 From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2020 23:17:37 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Today's walk In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1B087496-FBCC-4205-AA11-077439B87D7C@mac.com> Idyllic! Do you live by the Wey, by the way? Mike G > On 22 Apr 2020, at 18:00, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote: > > For a change, a wander along the towpath by the Wey. > ? > Graeme Wall > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From graeme.wall at icloud.com Thu Apr 23 02:22:53 2020 From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2020 08:22:53 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Today's walk In-Reply-To: <1B087496-FBCC-4205-AA11-077439B87D7C@mac.com> References: <1B087496-FBCC-4205-AA11-077439B87D7C@mac.com> Message-ID: <05605D2F-9999-4435-8844-B4BB516C92CF@icloud.com> About a mile away Graeme Wall > On 22 Apr 2020, at 23:17, Mike Giles wrote: > > ?Idyllic! Do you live by the Wey, by the way? > > Mike G > >> On 22 Apr 2020, at 18:00, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote: >> >> For a change, a wander along the towpath by the Wey. >> ? >> Graeme Wall >> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > From graeme.wall at icloud.com Thu Apr 23 03:32:00 2020 From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2020 09:32:00 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Today's walk Message-ID: <2C1F1A80-05BC-401B-89AB-35A472B0277F@icloud.com> Ruddy auto-correct! That was supposed to be a mile a wey, geddit? Sent from my iPad > On 23 Apr 2020, at 08:23, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote: > From waresound at msn.com Thu Apr 23 03:39:16 2020 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2020 08:39:16 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Today's walk In-Reply-To: <05605D2F-9999-4435-8844-B4BB516C92CF@icloud.com> References: <1B087496-FBCC-4205-AA11-077439B87D7C@mac.com>, <05605D2F-9999-4435-8844-B4BB516C92CF@icloud.com> Message-ID: This is the Wey about half a mile aWay from where we lived until we moved aWay last year. Bit upstream from you. Fabulous walks where we are now, but we do miss the river. Cheers, Nick.[cid:98341A8E-786F-4FA2-9589-F01274B207B0] Sent from my iPad mini 5 On 23 Apr 2020, at 08:23, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote: ?About a mile away Graeme Wall On 22 Apr 2020, at 23:17, Mike Giles wrote: ?Idyllic! Do you live by the Wey, by the way? Mike G On 22 Apr 2020, at 18:00, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote: For a change, a wander along the towpath by the Wey. ? 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Sent from my iPad mini 5 Begin forwarded message: From: Nick Ware Date: 23 April 2020 at 09:39:20 BST To: "tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk" Subject: Re: [Tech1] Today's walk ? This is the Wey about half a mile aWay from where we lived until we moved aWay last year. Bit upstream from you. Fabulous walks where we are now, but we do miss the river. Cheers, Nick.[cid:98341A8E-786F-4FA2-9589-F01274B207B0] Sent from my iPad mini 5 On 23 Apr 2020, at 08:23, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote: ?About a mile away Graeme Wall On 22 Apr 2020, at 23:17, Mike Giles wrote: ?Idyllic! Do you live by the Wey, by the way? Mike G On 22 Apr 2020, at 18:00, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote: For a change, a wander along the towpath by the Wey. ? Graeme Wall -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image0.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 715496 bytes Desc: image0.jpeg URL: From ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com Thu Apr 23 04:42:49 2020 From: ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com (Albert Barber) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2020 10:42:49 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Evening walk In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 20 July 1969 Neil Armstrong became the first person to walk on the moon. One small step for man, and all that. As he was re-entering the lunar landing module, mission control in Houston heard him muttering something under his breath. It sounded like: 'This one's for you, Mr Jablowski'. Well, there was so much else going on at the time that mission control let Armstrong's remark pass for the time being; but once the mission had ended successfully and the astronauts had returned safely, NASA went over every millisecond of the tapes to reconstruct everything that had happened. And in the course of it, the NASA boffins came across Armstrong muttering 'This one's for you, Mr Jablowski'. Nobody could make any sense of it whatsoever. Who was Mr Jablowski? Why had Armstrong seemingly dedicated that first lunar walk to him? So NASA hauled Armstrong in and asked him what it was all about. In response, Armstrong told NASA how, as a kid, he had been brought up in a fairly poor family in Cleveland, Ohio. They lived in an apartment in a rather run-down tenement block in the city that had been built on the cheap and that did not have adequate soundproofing in the walls that divided one apartment from the next. If voices were raised, people could hear all too clearly what their neighbours were saying. In the apartment next to the Armstrongs was a Polish couple, Mr and Mrs Jablowski, and they were always rowing. One night, as the young Neil Armstrong was trying to get to sleep, the Jablowskis were having the grandmother and grandfather of a row - and suddenly, in the middle of it, Neil heard Mrs Jablowski yelling at the top of her voice: 'Oral sex? You want oral sex? Huh - the day the kid next door walks on the moon is the day you get oral sex?. > On 22 Apr 2020, at 20:46, techtone via Tech1 wrote: > > A couple of nights ago, walk up the lane and look out over the fence. > > TeaTeaFN - Tony > > > Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email. > <20200408_195403.jpg>-- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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If I knew commentary was required I would get a DI box from stores which was a sound isolating transformer (usually used to get a feed of a guitar before it was connected to it's amplifier) . It had male and female XLR sockets? on both the input and output, and 'domestic' jack socket for the guitar lead. After plugging the lip onto SQN ch.1, I plugged the 416 into one end of the DI box, connected the same end of the box to the SQN ch.2 ( to get the phantom power), the other end of the box to ch.3. Channels 1 and2 were routed to the 'left' output and mixed as usual, on cans, ch. 3 went to the 'right' output. Left went to track 1 on the Betacam as a program mix and Right went to track 2 as the CFX ! Simplez! I even used this arrangement at Anfield one night! In that case, I had booked out and 816 as I knew we would be up on the gantry. The lip mic failed just before kick-off and Tony Gubba had to use the RE50, which did the job very well, as we were far enough away from the crowd! As an added extra, Roger Prior, my cameraperson, bought a digital stopwatch from Tandy which displayed time-of-day, I set the time-code on the Betacam to be the same and gave the stopwatch to the AP to do their log. Happy Days! Cheers, Dave From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Thu Apr 23 06:05:02 2020 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2020 12:05:02 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Evening walk In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Nice one, Albert, lucky Mr. Jablowski indeed! Chris Lewis (Sports Dept.) reckons the two things that you never get at home are Lobster Thermidor, and a BJ! Cheers, Dave On 23/04/2020 10:42, Albert Barber via Tech1 wrote: > > > On 20 July 1969 Neil Armstrong became the first person to walk on the > moon. One small step for man, and all that. As he was re-entering the > lunar landing module, mission control in Houston heard him muttering > something?under his breath. It sounded like: 'This one's for you, Mr > Jablowski'. Well, there was so much else going on at the time that > mission control?let Armstrong's remark pass for the time being; but > once the mission had ended successfully and the astronauts had > returned safely, NASA went over every millisecond?of the tapes to > reconstruct everything that had happened. And in the course of it, the > NASA boffins came across Armstrong muttering 'This one's for you, Mr > Jablowski'. Nobody?could make any sense of it whatsoever. Who was Mr > Jablowski? Why had Armstrong seemingly dedicated that first lunar walk > to him? So NASA hauled Armstrong in and asked him what it was all > about. In response, Armstrong told NASA how, as a kid, he had been > brought up in a fairly poor family in Cleveland, Ohio. They lived in > an apartment in a rather run-down tenement block in the city that had > been built on the cheap and that did not have adequate soundproofing > in the walls that divided one apartment from the next. If voices were > raised, people could hear all too clearly what their neighbours were > saying. In the apartment next to the Armstrongs was a Polish couple, > Mr and Mrs Jablowski, and they were always rowing. One night, as the > young Neil Armstrong was trying to get to sleep, the Jablowskis?were > having the grandmother and grandfather of a row - and suddenly, in the > middle of it, Neil heard Mrs Jablowski yelling at the top of her > voice: 'Oral sex? You want oral sex? Huh - the day the kid next door > walks on the moon is the day you get oral sex?. > > > > >> On 22 Apr 2020, at 20:46, techtone via Tech1 > > wrote: >> > >> A couple of nights ago, walk up the lane and look out over the fence. >> >> TeaTeaFN - Tony >> >> >> Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email. >> <20200408_195403.jpg>-- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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(In fact, heaps better than a certain presenter that Nick & I both know!!) Best Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: dave.mdv via Tech1 Sent: 23 April 2020 11:50 Subject: [Tech1] Football coverage Tony Gubba had to use the RE50, which did the job very well, as we were far enough away from the crowd! -- -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From waresound at msn.com Thu Apr 23 06:36:22 2020 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2020 11:36:22 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Evening walk Message-ID: ?I so want to believe that story, but juxtaposing the syllables of the name Jablowski with a bit of American accent suggests it might be made up! Either way I hope she was as good as her word! Because of the variety of jobs we?ve all done, we must all have days in our past that on reflection were nothing less that incredible. One such that I?d like to share (if I haven?t before!), brought back to me by the mention of Neil Armstrong, was this: we were in New York, where we had just done a Through the Keyhole plastic key presentation to Donald Trump. There had been an awkward moment when Trump walked into the room and was greeted by David Frost. It suddenly became clear that Trump had been led to believe it was going to be the great David Frost - Donald Trump interview. As soon as he realised it was just a trivial little game show, barely known in the USA, Trump turned to go, until Frostie said ?Oh, but of course we must do that too, I?ll get our people to talk to your people?. Trump did as asked and accepted the plastic key. Straight after that we went to Neil Armstrong?s house to do Loyd?s ?Who would live in a house like this?? bit. We didn?t get to see Neil Armstrong, only his wife who was there. But, on his desk, mounted on a presentation base, was quite a large piece of Moon rock. I can still feel the sense of disbelief at holding in my hand an actual piece of the Moon. Cheers, Nick. Sent from my iPad mini 5 On 20 July 1969 Neil Armstrong became the first person to walk on the moon. One small step for man, and all that. As he was re-entering the lunar landing module, mission control in Houston heard him muttering something under his breath. It sounded like: 'This one's for you, Mr Jablowski'. Well, there was so much else going on at the time that mission control let Armstrong's remark pass for the time being; but once the mission had ended successfully and the astronauts had returned safely, NASA went over every millisecond of the tapes to reconstruct everything that had happened. And in the course of it, the NASA boffins came across Armstrong muttering 'This one's for you, Mr Jablowski'. Nobody could make any sense of it whatsoever. Who was Mr Jablowski? Why had Armstrong seemingly dedicated that first lunar walk to him? So NASA hauled Armstrong in and asked him what it was all about. In response, Armstrong told NASA how, as a kid, he had been brought up in a fairly poor family in Cleveland, Ohio. They lived in an apartment in a rather run-down tenement block in the city that had been built on the cheap and that did not have adequate soundproofing in the walls that divided one apartment from the next. If voices were raised, people could hear all too clearly what their neighbours were saying. In the apartment next to the Armstrongs was a Polish couple, Mr and Mrs Jablowski, and they were always rowing. One night, as the young Neil Armstrong was trying to get to sleep, the Jablowskis were having the grandmother and grandfather of a row - and suddenly, in the middle of it, Neil heard Mrs Jablowski yelling at the top of her voice: 'Oral sex? You want oral sex? Huh - the day the kid next door walks on the moon is the day you get oral sex?. On 22 Apr 2020, at 20:46, techtone via Tech1 > wrote: A couple of nights ago, walk up the lane and look out over the fence. TeaTeaFN - Tony Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email. <20200408_195403.jpg>-- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Thu Apr 23 06:40:05 2020 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2020 12:40:05 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Evening walk In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5ea17e93.1c69fb81.e5271.cc8a@mx.google.com> Heard it, Albert! Sadly the man is no longer with us, so cannot be asked if it?s true. The following link is very good: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neil_Armstrong The speed of technology is truly amazing. An aged aunt of my mother?s ? when she was a young girl, lived in a house with no electricity, lighting etc. Yet survived long enough to watch, on television, man walking on the Moon! Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Albert Barber via Tech1 Sent: 23 April 2020 10:43 To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat Subject: Re: [Tech1] Evening walk On 20 July 1969 Neil Armstrong became the first person to walk on the moon. -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From waresound at msn.com Thu Apr 23 07:01:54 2020 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2020 12:01:54 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Evening walk In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: Didn?t Andi like Lobster Thermidor, then? Nick. Sent from my iPad mini 5 On 23 Apr 2020, at 12:05, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote:? Nice one, Albert, lucky Mr. Jablowski indeed! 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Chris Lewis (Sports Dept.) reckons the two things that you never get at home are Lobster Thermidor, and a BJ! Cheers, Dave >> >> > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Thu Apr 23 07:34:09 2020 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2020 13:34:09 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Today's walk In-Reply-To: References: <1B087496-FBCC-4205-AA11-077439B87D7C@mac.com>, <05605D2F-9999-4435-8844-B4BB516C92CF@icloud.com> Message-ID: <5ea18b3f.1c69fb81.c5f03.e3de@mx.google.com> Seeing those lovely pics of the river reminds me that years ago, a girlfriend and I decided to do a walk, from a book, along the towpath of the Wey, starting from Ripley Ware (sorry ? weir). I had a bag of bread to feed any ducks we came across. Leaning on the rail, watching the water, became aware of a nosing of the bag. A lovely black lab was clearly interested. Looking around for an owner, and seeing none, attempted to shoo him away. Not a bit of it. He set off with us, obviously deciding that here were people going for a sensible walk. He wandered ahead of us, enjoying the path side smells and frequently taking a dip in the water. The route of the walk left the towpath, into a small churchyard and it wasn?t clear as to the exit. Setting off in a likely direction, I called to the dog, which sat down and refused to move. Trying another way out, he bounded up and led us on the right way! Getting back to Ripley Green I was worried about abandoning the animal, so we went up to the police station on the main road. The desk sergeant recognised the dog and said he lived in one of the cottages near the weir. Back to the green, and he jumped over the low wall and disappeared into a back door that I could see was open. On arriving home I rang the number that was on his collar disc, enquiring if the responder had a black Labrador. ?Oh, lord, has he got out again?!? Turned out that he was in the habit of going for a walk with complete strangers! But he knew the way! Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Nick Ware via Tech1 Sent: 23 April 2020 09:39 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Today's walk This is the Wey about half a mile aWay from where we lived until we moved aWay last year. Bit upstream from you. Fabulous walks where we are now, but we do miss the river. Cheers, Nick. Sent from my iPad mini 5 On 23 Apr 2020, at 08:23, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote: ?About a mile away Graeme Wall -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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A lobster's claws are strong. A very large lobster could break your finger. Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: dave.mdv via Tech1 Sent: 23 April 2020 12:04 To: Albert Barber; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Evening walk Nice one, Albert, lucky Mr. Jablowski indeed! Chris Lewis (Sports Dept.) reckons the two things that you never get at home are Lobster Thermidor, and a BJ! Cheers, Dave -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Thu Apr 23 12:00:21 2020 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2020 18:00:21 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Ye Lockdown Message-ID: <5ea1c9a3.1c69fb81.f9670.2fa8@mx.google.com> OK, time to ?fess up... I?m quite used to remaining indoors ? usual routine, really, but the lockdown is giving me an excuse to be perfectly lazy, which I am practising, and getting good at! Lying in bed (not ill), feasting on delivered Cook Food, drinking delivered Majestic Wine, munching delivered Thornton?s chocolate ? I?m adjusting to a debauched lifestyle. Do a lot of reading ? although the libraries are closed, thanks to an Amazon Fire tablet, bought just before lockdown, I can happily read e-books, under the duvet. (I remember at boarding school, we were allowed to take a book to the dorm, and read for an hour on a Sunday morning before having to get up ? all Biggles and Percy F. Westerman, then). Also at prep school, we were allowed to sit on the floor of the headmaster?s drawing room and watch TV! Sportsview! I hated sport, but went along with it for the sake of my other dorm mates. Who would have guessed then that I would get to work on that very same programme from LG, with the very same Peter Dimmock! Cheers Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Thu Apr 23 13:45:55 2020 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2020 19:45:55 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] History! Message-ID: <8faca093-5096-28aa-f160-8d5c2c07d162@btinternet.com> They do say that history repeats itself - here's the proof! Cheers, Dave -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: IMG_7549.JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 73291 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <8faca093-5096-28aa-f160-8d5c2c07d162@btinternet.com> References: <8faca093-5096-28aa-f160-8d5c2c07d162@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <5ea1e563.1c69fb81.9bdf2.3715@mx.google.com> Well, if one believes the Bible regarding the plagues ? The Almighty has earned the Golden Buzzer with this one! Certainly the locusts descended on the supermarkets! Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: dave.mdv via Tech1 Sent: 23 April 2020 19:45 To: Phil; Pete; Dave; Dave; Richard; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: [Tech1] History! They do say that history repeats itself - here's the proof! Cheers, Dave -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bernie833 at gmail.com Thu Apr 23 14:00:13 2020 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2020 20:00:13 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Starlink satellites Message-ID: At 2054 apparently -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From waresound at msn.com Thu Apr 23 14:14:08 2020 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2020 19:14:08 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] History! In-Reply-To: <5ea1e563.1c69fb81.9bdf2.3715@mx.google.com> References: <8faca093-5096-28aa-f160-8d5c2c07d162@btinternet.com>, <5ea1e563.1c69fb81.9bdf2.3715@mx.google.com> Message-ID: The thing is, where is the Almighty when we need him? (I?m a Vicar?s son, so I?m qualified to ask that). Nick. Sent from my iPad mini 5 On 23 Apr 2020, at 19:59, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: ? Well, if one believes the Bible regarding the plagues ? The Almighty has earned the Golden Buzzer with this one! Certainly the locusts descended on the supermarkets! Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: dave.mdv via Tech1 Sent: 23 April 2020 19:45 To: Phil; Pete; Dave; Dave; Richard; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: [Tech1] History! They do say that history repeats itself - here's the proof! Cheers, Dave ________________________________ [Avast logo] This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Thu Apr 23 15:08:57 2020 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2020 21:08:57 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] History! In-Reply-To: References: <8faca093-5096-28aa-f160-8d5c2c07d162@btinternet.com> <5ea1e563.1c69fb81.9bdf2.3715@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <59301a67-a2b3-c25a-e92e-a12596fd30f6@btinternet.com> Exactly! The Almighty could lift his little finger and kill the virus 'just like that' as Tommy Cooper would say! So, he must be pissed off with us humans destroying his lovely planet with plastic waste, Amazon burning, whale hunting, and so on..... so it's in our hands! Cheers, Doom and Gloom, Dave On 23/04/2020 20:14, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: > The thing is, where is the Almighty when we need him? (I?m a Vicar?s > son, so I?m qualified to ask that). > Nick. > Sent from my iPad mini 5 > >> On 23 Apr 2020, at 19:59, patheigham via Tech1 >> wrote: >> >> ? >> >> Well, if one believes the Bible regarding the plagues ? The Almighty >> has earned the Golden Buzzer with this one! >> >> Certainly the locusts descended on the supermarkets! >> >> Sent from Mail for >> Windows 10 >> >> *From: *dave.mdv via Tech1 >> *Sent: *23 April 2020 19:45 >> *To: *Phil ; Pete >> ; Dave >> ; Dave >> ; Richard >> ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> >> *Subject: *[Tech1] History! >> >> They do say that history repeats itself - here's the proof! Cheers, Dave >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Avast logo >> >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >> www.avast.com >> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Waresound at msn.com Thu Apr 23 15:56:25 2020 From: Waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2020 20:56:25 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] History! In-Reply-To: <59301a67-a2b3-c25a-e92e-a12596fd30f6@btinternet.com> References: <8faca093-5096-28aa-f160-8d5c2c07d162@btinternet.com> <5ea1e563.1c69fb81.9bdf2.3715@mx.google.com> , <59301a67-a2b3-c25a-e92e-a12596fd30f6@btinternet.com> Message-ID: I remember very clearly hearing Dr Jacob Bronowski back in the early 1970?s on the Michael Parkinson Show, being asked about global warming, burning fossil fuels as fast as we could go, and even Nature-driven pandemics that would cull the human race. ?Could we ever come to our senses and stop doing all those things?? His reply: ?Unfortunately, almost certainly not. Man is too greedy and not clever enough to stop all that?. (Not an exact quote, but pretty close). I have a sound tape that I recorded at the time, of him on another Parkinson show that I did grams on. Not that one though, sadly. In the one I have, he?s mainly talking about the pros and cons of being born with a super-intellect. A boast that he could more than justify! Has anyone got the one I?m describing? Actually, I just Googled him and they might be there - I?ll have a listen in the morning. Nite-nite, Nick. Sent from my iPad mini 5 On 23 Apr 2020, at 21:08, dave.mdv wrote: ? Exactly! The Almighty could lift his little finger and kill the virus 'just like that' as Tommy Cooper would say! So, he must be pissed off with us humans destroying his lovely planet with plastic waste, Amazon burning, whale hunting, and so on..... so it's in our hands! Cheers, Doom and Gloom, Dave On 23/04/2020 20:14, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: The thing is, where is the Almighty when we need him? (I?m a Vicar?s son, so I?m qualified to ask that). Nick. Sent from my iPad mini 5 On 23 Apr 2020, at 19:59, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: ? Well, if one believes the Bible regarding the plagues ? The Almighty has earned the Golden Buzzer with this one! Certainly the locusts descended on the supermarkets! Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: dave.mdv via Tech1 Sent: 23 April 2020 19:45 To: Phil; Pete; Dave; Dave; Richard; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: [Tech1] History! They do say that history repeats itself - here's the proof! Cheers, Dave ________________________________ [Avast logo] This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From relong at btinternet.com Thu Apr 23 17:28:06 2020 From: relong at btinternet.com (Roger E Long) Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2020 23:28:06 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] History! In-Reply-To: References: <8faca093-5096-28aa-f160-8d5c2c07d162@btinternet.com> <5ea1e563.1c69fb81.9bdf2.3715@mx.google.com> <59301a67-a2b3-c25a-e92e-a12596fd30f6@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <0485DFD1-04F3-42DE-9E78-358A54EEA250@btinternet.com> I worked with him once He was quite difficult and wore Bri Nylon shirts ,impossible to mic in the 70s ,very scratchy. Certainly a genius, he spent his war maximising bombing techniques and after worked for the Coal Board Research centre outside Cheltenham. The tele series was phenomenal, I was in dubbing for that, extremely moving PTCs... > On 23 Apr 2020, at 21:56, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: > > I remember very clearly hearing Dr Jacob Bronowski back in the early 1970?s on the Michael Parkinson Show, being asked about global warming, burning fossil fuels as fast as we could go, and even Nature-driven pandemics that would cull the human race. ?Could we ever come to our senses and stop doing all those things?? His reply: ?Unfortunately, almost certainly not. Man is too greedy and not clever enough to stop all that?. (Not an exact quote, but pretty close). > I have a sound tape that I recorded at the time, of him on another Parkinson show that I did grams on. Not that one though, sadly. In the one I have, he?s mainly talking about the pros and cons of being born with a super-intellect. A boast that he could more than justify! > Has anyone got the one I?m describing? Actually, I just Googled him and they might be there - I?ll have a listen in the morning. > Nite-nite, > Nick. > > Sent from my iPad mini 5 > >> On 23 Apr 2020, at 21:08, dave.mdv wrote: >> >> ? >> Exactly! The Almighty could lift his little finger and kill the virus 'just like that' as Tommy Cooper would say! So, he must be pissed off with us humans destroying his lovely planet with plastic waste, Amazon burning, whale hunting, and so on..... so it's in our hands! Cheers, Doom and Gloom, Dave >> >> On 23/04/2020 20:14, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: >>> The thing is, where is the Almighty when we need him? (I?m a Vicar?s son, so I?m qualified to ask that). >>> Nick. >>> Sent from my iPad mini 5 >>> >>>> On 23 Apr 2020, at 19:59, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: >>>> >>>> ? >>>> Well, if one believes the Bible regarding the plagues ? The Almighty has earned the Golden Buzzer with this one! >>>> Certainly the locusts descended on the supermarkets! >>>> >>>> Sent from Mail for Windows 10 >>>> >>>> From: dave.mdv via Tech1 >>>> Sent: 23 April 2020 19:45 >>>> To: Phil ; Pete ; Dave ; Dave ; Richard ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>> Subject: [Tech1] History! >>>> >>>> They do say that history repeats itself - here's the proof! Cheers, Dave >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >>>> www.avast.com >>>> -- >>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>> > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com Fri Apr 24 02:33:58 2020 From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2020 08:33:58 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Walk picture - 3D Message-ID: <1a2e9ab9-c642-4e1c-9a9b-ebc98119a39f@gmail.com> Hi all, Yesterday it was another walk with daughter Lucy's dog Chester in Pamber Forest. but down a different path.? I saw this tree, and thought I would try a 3-D image. To view without a proper device, put a sheet of A4 paper at right angles to the screen, the short edge on the dividing line between the two images. Put your nose on the other short edge and so the left eye can only see the left image, the right eye the right image:? You might have widen the eyes (opposite to crossing them) HINT - if it doesn't work, try making the combined image a little bit smaller. The images were taken with a normal phone camera, just moving the phone to the right (by a couple of feet, actually) and hoping that the lighting would remain the same! Enjoy! Keep safe! -- Best Regards Alec Alec Bray alec.bray.2 at gmail.com mob: 07789 561 346 home: 0118 981 7502 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I saw this tree, and thought I would try a 3-D image. > To view without a proper device, put a sheet of A4 paper at right angles to the screen, the short edge on the dividing line between the two images. Put your nose on the other short edge and so the left eye can only see the left image, the right eye the right image: You might have widen the eyes (opposite to crossing them) > > > > > > > HINT - if it doesn't work, try making the combined image a little bit smaller. > The images were taken with a normal phone camera, just moving the phone to the right (by a couple of feet, actually) and hoping that the lighting would remain the same! > > Enjoy! > Keep safe! > -- > Best Regards > > Alec > > Alec Bray > > alec.bray.2 at gmail.com > mob: 07789 561 346 > home: 0118 981 7502 > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Put your nose on the other short edge and so the left eye can only see the left image, the right eye the right image: You might have widen the eyes (opposite to crossing them) > > > > > > > > > > HINT - if it doesn't work, try making the combined image a little bit smaller. > > The images were taken with a normal phone camera, just moving the phone to the right (by a couple of feet, actually) and hoping that the lighting would remain the same! > > Enjoy! > > Keep safe! > > -- > Best Regards > > Alec > > Alec Bray > > > alec.bray.2 at gmail.com > > mob: 07789 561 346 > home: 0118 981 7502 > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From bernie833 at gmail.com Fri Apr 24 06:03:57 2020 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2020 12:03:57 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Walk picture - 3D In-Reply-To: References: <1a2e9ab9-c642-4e1c-9a9b-ebc98119a39f@gmail.com> Message-ID: <12de50c3-b89f-c86d-9899-7af8541d61da@gmail.com> Somewhere here I have a Google Cardboard - a novelty from a few years ago. I shall try it on that. Now we all have to go out and do 3D stuff on our walks B On 24/04/2020 09:17, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote: > Worked for me once I got the distnces correct. > ? > Graeme Wall > > >> On 24 Apr 2020, at 08:33, Alec Bray via Tech1 wrote: >> >> Hi all, >> >> Yesterday it was another walk with daughter Lucy's dog Chester in Pamber Forest. but down a different path. I saw this tree, and thought I would try a 3-D image. >> >> To view without a proper device, put a sheet of A4 paper at right angles to the screen, the short edge on the dividing line between the two images. Put your nose on the other short edge and so the left eye can only see the left image, the right eye the right image: You might have widen the eyes (opposite to crossing them) >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> HINT - if it doesn't work, try making the combined image a little bit smaller. >> >> The images were taken with a normal phone camera, just moving the phone to the right (by a couple of feet, actually) and hoping that the lighting would remain the same! >> >> Enjoy! >> >> Keep safe! >> >> -- >> Best Regards >> >> Alec >> >> Alec Bray >> >> >> alec.bray.2 at gmail.com >> >> mob: 07789 561 346 >> home: 0118 981 7502 >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Put your nose on the other short edge and so the left eye > can only see the left image, the right eye the right image:? You might > have widen the eyes (opposite to crossing them) > > > > HINT - if it doesn't work, try making the combined image a little bit > smaller. > > The images were taken with a normal phone camera, just moving the > phone to the right (by a couple of feet, actually) and hoping that the > lighting would remain the same! > > Enjoy! > > Keep safe! > > -- > Best Regards > > Alec > > Alec Bray > > alec.bray.2 at gmail.com > mob: 07789 561 346 > home: 0118 981 7502 > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: bcgkdihnjgbbefkj.png Type: image/png Size: 9955 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Also. when looking at a dim single star, I could see two stars, and if I looked at the star for a long time, and totally relaxed, my eyes did make a slow divergence, and only after the best part of a second, managed to diverge to give the single star image. With the flashing aircraft light, my eyes did not have time to do the slow, uncomfortable and un-natural divergence, so appeared as two lights. I got a half-a-degree prism added to my glasses prescription, and that fixed it! Of course, in nature the eyes have to converge to view a close object, so it happens as a natural thing, but there is no 'further away' than infinity, so divergence is never required so the musculature of the eye isn't there to do divergence. Thought you might like to know. I've been fascinated by stereo vision since I was a small child and have old black-and-white prints to prove it. Now I an a big fan of 3D TV, which is widely described as 'a gimmick'. It is a 'gimmick' which is built in to our lives, and a well-made 3D film viewed on a well set-up and designed 3D TV, to me, isn't a gimmick, it's a joy! Terry Meadowcroft ----- Original Message ----- From: dave.mdv via Tech1 To: Alec Bray ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Sent: Friday, April 24, 2020 12:11 PM Subject: Re: [Tech1] Walk picture - 3D Very clever Alec, you must have very steady hands! I just happen to have a cardboard VR viewer so I printed the pictures to fit and it worked beautifully (having organised some light onto the photos!) Cheers, Dave. On 24/04/2020 08:33, Alec Bray via Tech1 wrote: Hi all, Yesterday it was another walk with daughter Lucy's dog Chester in Pamber Forest. but down a different path. I saw this tree, and thought I would try a 3-D image. To view without a proper device, put a sheet of A4 paper at right angles to the screen, the short edge on the dividing line between the two images. Put your nose on the other short edge and so the left eye can only see the left image, the right eye the right image: You might have widen the eyes (opposite to crossing them) HINT - if it doesn't work, try making the combined image a little bit smaller. The images were taken with a normal phone camera, just moving the phone to the right (by a couple of feet, actually) and hoping that the lighting would remain the same! Enjoy! Keep safe! -- Best Regards Alec Alec Bray alec.bray.2 at gmail.com mob: 07789 561 346 home: 0118 981 7502 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I've been using Zoom too, and it became obvious early on by listening to others that the sound from their inbuilt mic on a laptop or phone wasn't as good as those wearing headsets. So set out to get a headset. As was everyone else, by the lack of stock. And I didn't want a massive and expensive 'gaming' set. Something that sat on the ears rather than cover them, with a boom mic. Eventually got a set from Ebay for about ?13 delivered. Recorded myself and played it back. Quite acceptable quality. Not too keen on ear buds, but they might suit some. Other problem was with the laptop camera set to frame me OK, the LCD screen was at a poor angle for best picture here. Laptop has an HDMI output, so just plugged it into the TV. Other ways of doing screen mirroring too. Now noticed on some meetings the odd one who has chroma keyed themselves over a nice outdoor scene. So have ordered up a green screen kit from Ebay. At least it keeps me busy. ;-) I do have a desktop PC plumbed into the main AV system. Mainly to store videos and music files. But no camera on that. Next thing might be to try plumbing a camera in, feeding a personal mic into it, and use the main speakers for foldback. The laptop seems to mute its speakers when you talk. The one problem with the headset is the lack of side tone from your mic. Something I'm not used to. -- *Arkansas State Motto: Don't Ask, Don't Tell, Don't Laugh. Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From grahamthecameraman at icloud.com Fri Apr 24 08:09:15 2020 From: grahamthecameraman at icloud.com (Graham Maunder) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2020 14:09:15 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Zooming In-Reply-To: <586637ea62dave@davesound.co.uk> References: <419b3c1e-0fb3-8e03-d8b1-b22e8bd608e5@gmail.com> <6A9215FC-BF7B-4BE8-B442-A0EEF7D6ED7D@eccles.me> <586637ea62dave@davesound.co.uk> Message-ID: Attachment available until 24 May 2020 Hi Dave Hope it?s not too late for you to cancel your green screen order as zoom works really well without it - very clever stuff. You can just record a background on your phone or laptop and Zoom loops it. Just for japes, I have recorded a background where I come in and offer myself (now sitting in front of the playback video) a cup of tea!!! Have attached it here so you can see what I mean (I normally take up position in the blue chair) it?s also ?flipped? as I have my laptop camera set to ?flip? as well so everything is the right way round for everyone..?.. Graham Maunder Click to Download GM Tea BG for Zoom.mov 28.6 MB > On 24 Apr 2020, at 13:37, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: > > In article <6A9215FC-BF7B-4BE8-B442-A0EEF7D6ED7D at eccles.me>, > Neil Eccles \(ne--- via Tech1 wrote: >> I?m using Zoom too Bernie - works well and I am using it to produce the >> Talking Newspaper (for the blind) with which I am involved. The audio >> isn?t great, and it isn?t helped by rubbish equipment and people being >> pathetic about mic placement, but it works. > > I've been using Zoom too, and it became obvious early on by listening to > others that the sound from their inbuilt mic on a laptop or phone wasn't > as good as those wearing headsets. > > So set out to get a headset. As was everyone else, by the lack of stock. > And I didn't want a massive and expensive 'gaming' set. Something that sat > on the ears rather than cover them, with a boom mic. Eventually got a set > from Ebay for about ?13 delivered. Recorded myself and played it back. > Quite acceptable quality. Not too keen on ear buds, but they might suit > some. > > Other problem was with the laptop camera set to frame me OK, the LCD > screen was at a poor angle for best picture here. > > Laptop has an HDMI output, so just plugged it into the TV. Other ways of > doing screen mirroring too. > > Now noticed on some meetings the odd one who has chroma keyed themselves > over a nice outdoor scene. So have ordered up a green screen kit from > Ebay. At least it keeps me busy. ;-) > > I do have a desktop PC plumbed into the main AV system. Mainly to store > videos and music files. > > But no camera on that. Next thing might be to try plumbing a camera in, > feeding a personal mic into it, and use the main speakers for foldback. > The laptop seems to mute its speakers when you talk. > > The one problem with the headset is the lack of side tone from your mic. > Something I'm not used to. > > -- > *Arkansas State Motto: Don't Ask, Don't Tell, Don't Laugh. > > Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I am not the best person to sort out any problems with the 3-D effect:: when I was at College, I taught myself to see 3-D image pairs without a viewer: Nowadays, if there is, for example, a "spot the difference" puzzle with two images printed nearly side by side and of a suitable size, I can see the two images - one with each eye -? and merge them into one - the differences then "shimmer" as the L&R images seem to switch in and out (I was going to say "vibrate" as that is what it more feels like.) I, too, have prisms as part of my vision prescription. It's fun going to the opticians, as the red spots wander all over the place ... Might be able to design a simple viewer for everyone to make if you all like the idea of more 3-D walk pictures from us all. -- Best Regards Alec Alec Bray alec.bray.2 at gmail.com mob: 07789 561 346 home: 0118 981 7502 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Thank you Bernie for an picture of a hive of activity... -- Best Regards Alec Alec Bray alec.bray.2 at gmail.com mob: 07789 561 346 home: 0118 981 7502 From mikej at bmanor.co.uk Fri Apr 24 12:02:21 2020 From: mikej at bmanor.co.uk (Mike Jordan) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2020 18:02:21 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Walk picture - 3D In-Reply-To: References: <1a2e9ab9-c642-4e1c-9a9b-ebc98119a39f@gmail.com><2076c8e5-6d10-bef3-a765-ae7a76467bcc@btinternet.com><97210760C52F489E99BE1D62603BE4DB@MEDDIES2012> Message-ID: <35EC8C8CFA1E4926A756A8A0E8D1FF26@Gigabyte> The last thing I watched in 3D was the programme that Channel 4 put on with stuff from the Coronation. It was however re-mastered in blue and yellow and special cardboard glasses were available via Sainsburys. Quite interesting although all the bits inbetween from the studio were of course in 2D so we were constantly told to ?put your glasses on? or ?now take your glasses off? Some years ago when Sky tried 3D golf, I went into their MCR (courtesy of engineer who used to be a TA in London Switching Centre) to watch. It was a disaster as all shots with crowds looked like a flat Teletubbies and no chance of doing classic ?ball in hole? shots as one?s eyes just gave up. I believe that also had 2 scanners/mixes for football later before they consigned 3D to the bin (again!) I went to an AP open day when Ravensbourne were showing off their 2 camera system but again that bit the dust. Was clever though as had to have one camera vertical with a mirror to enable correct eye/lens spacing. Mike From: Alec Bray via Tech1 Sent: Friday, April 24, 2020 5:13 PM To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk ; mail at terrymeadowcroft.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Walk picture - 3D Hi Terry - and everyone, On 24/04/2020 13:10, terrymeadowcroft via Tech1 wrote: 'Widen your eyes' can't be did -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: 10Gothic.pdf Type: application/pdf Size: 110515 bytes Desc: not available URL: From graeme.wall at icloud.com Fri Apr 24 12:54:31 2020 From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2020 18:54:31 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Walk picture - 3D In-Reply-To: <35EC8C8CFA1E4926A756A8A0E8D1FF26@Gigabyte> References: <1a2e9ab9-c642-4e1c-9a9b-ebc98119a39f@gmail.com> <2076c8e5-6d10-bef3-a765-ae7a76467bcc@btinternet.com> <97210760C52F489E99BE1D62603BE4DB@MEDDIES2012> <35EC8C8CFA1E4926A756A8A0E8D1FF26@Gigabyte> Message-ID: <028531EF-3312-4B99-96B0-DB2984B16E3B@icloud.com> I dis the 3D training couse at Sony and they had clips from Sky sports coverage on both golf and soccer. Very impressive on the wide shots but the close shots were only 2D as it is not physically possible to mount two 100:1 zooms close enough together to make it work. ? Graeme Wall > On 24 Apr 2020, at 18:02, Mike Jordan via Tech1 wrote: > > The last thing I watched in 3D was the programme that Channel 4 put on with stuff from the Coronation. > It was however re-mastered in blue and yellow and special cardboard glasses were available via Sainsburys. > Quite interesting although all the bits inbetween from the studio were of course in 2D so we were constantly told to ?put your glasses on? or ?now take your glasses off? > Some years ago when Sky tried 3D golf, I went into their MCR (courtesy of engineer who used to be a TA in London Switching Centre) to watch. > It was a disaster as all shots with crowds looked like a flat Teletubbies and no chance of doing classic ?ball in hole? shots as one?s eyes just gave up. > I believe that also had 2 scanners/mixes for football later before they consigned 3D to the bin (again!) > I went to an AP open day when Ravensbourne were showing off their 2 camera system but again that bit the dust. Was clever though as had to have one camera vertical with a mirror to enable correct eye/lens spacing. > > Mike > > From: Alec Bray via Tech1 > Sent: Friday, April 24, 2020 5:13 PM > To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk ; mail at terrymeadowcroft.co.uk > Subject: Re: [Tech1] Walk picture - 3D > > Hi Terry - and everyone, > On 24/04/2020 13:10, terrymeadowcroft via Tech1 wrote: >> 'Widen your eyes' can't be did > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From paul at pgtmedia.co.uk Fri Apr 24 13:16:14 2020 From: paul at pgtmedia.co.uk (Paul Thackray) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2020 19:16:14 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Walk picture - 3D In-Reply-To: <028531EF-3312-4B99-96B0-DB2984B16E3B@icloud.com> Message-ID: <256tvmm1br1i952l1sbeo3v5.1587752174361@pgtmedia.co.uk> The camera above with a mirror was fine until you needed a prompt as well! You can just use 1 of the 2 cameras for the monoscopic version , unfortunatly the cutting needs to be different (3D needs to be much longer shots and slower overall than a normal 2D. 3D will only ever work for big events and films at a cinema. (I did a Noel Edmonds game show for sky in 3D - in TC 1, he is even more annoying in 3D) Paul Thackray PGT Media Consulting Ltd. 07802 243979 Mail;?paul at pgtmedia.co.uk Web;?http://www.pgtmedia.co.uk Linkedin;???http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/paul-thackray/19/379/746 IMDB;?http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1488554/ sent from my BlackBerry?the most secure mobile device?via the O2 Network ? Original Message ? From: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Sent: 24 April 2020 18:54 To: mikej at bmanor.co.uk Reply to: graeme.wall at icloud.com Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Walk picture - 3D I dis the 3D training couse at Sony and they had clips from Sky sports coverage on both golf and soccer. Very impressive on the wide shots but the close shots were only 2D as it is not physically possible to mount two 100:1 zooms close enough together to make it work. ? Graeme Wall > On 24 Apr 2020, at 18:02, Mike Jordan via Tech1 wrote: > > The last thing I watched in 3D was the programme that Channel 4 put on with stuff from the Coronation. > It was however re-mastered in blue and yellow and special cardboard glasses were available via Sainsburys. > Quite interesting although all the bits inbetween from the studio were of course in 2D so we were constantly told to ?put your glasses on? or ?now take your glasses off? > Some years ago when Sky tried 3D golf, I went into their MCR (courtesy of engineer who used to be a TA in London Switching Centre) to watch. > It was a disaster as? all shots with crowds looked like a flat Teletubbies and no chance of doing classic ?ball in hole? shots as one?s eyes just gave up. > I believe that also had 2 scanners/mixes for football later before they consigned 3D to the bin (again!) > I went to an AP open day when Ravensbourne were showing off their 2 camera system but again that bit the dust. Was clever though as had to have one camera vertical with a mirror to enable correct eye/lens spacing. >? > Mike >? > From: Alec Bray via Tech1 > Sent: Friday, April 24, 2020 5:13 PM > To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk ; mail at terrymeadowcroft.co.uk > Subject: Re: [Tech1] Walk picture - 3D >? > Hi Terry - and everyone, > On 24/04/2020 13:10, terrymeadowcroft via Tech1 wrote: >> 'Widen your eyes' can't be did > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From techtone at protonmail.com Fri Apr 24 14:40:20 2020 From: techtone at protonmail.com (techtone) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2020 19:40:20 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Culture Message-ID: This sent from my artist sister-in-law in Canada, I hope it makes it through the Megabit tunnel! TeaTeaFN - Tony Sent with [ProtonMail](https://protonmail.com) Secure Email. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 86934089-fcc9-4d80-94e0-d17d38393ddd.MP4 Type: video/mp4 Size: 7335929 bytes Desc: not available URL: From techtone at protonmail.com Fri Apr 24 15:03:19 2020 From: techtone at protonmail.com (techtone) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2020 20:03:19 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Lynn F W Message-ID: I have only just learnt of the death of Lynn Faulds Wood, such a lovely person, and I believe it was Ian Tomlin who nick-named her Lynn Bends Planks. She was always a pleasure to work with, as was John Stapleton, her husband. I had no idea about the work she went on to pursue after her recovery from cancer, but it epitomises her modest, self-effacing approach to her own concerns, and to fight hard for others who do not have the same resources, courage and support immediately to hand. I am sure there are many of us here who knew her, and can share these sentiments, TeaTeaFN - Tony Sent with [ProtonMail](https://protonmail.com) Secure Email. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graeme.wall at icloud.com Fri Apr 24 15:32:58 2020 From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2020 21:32:58 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Culture In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Very nice. ? Graeme Wall > On 24 Apr 2020, at 20:40, techtone via Tech1 wrote: > > This sent from my artist sister-in-law in Canada, I hope it makes it through the Megabit tunnel! > > TeaTeaFN - Tony > > > Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email. > > <86934089-fcc9-4d80-94e0-d17d38393ddd.MP4>-- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From mail at terrymeadowcroft.co.uk Fri Apr 24 19:24:43 2020 From: mail at terrymeadowcroft.co.uk (terrymeadowcroft) Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2020 01:24:43 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Walk picture - 3D References: <1a2e9ab9-c642-4e1c-9a9b-ebc98119a39f@gmail.com> <2076c8e5-6d10-bef3-a765-ae7a76467bcc@btinternet.com> <97210760C52F489E99BE1D62603BE4DB@MEDDIES2012> Message-ID: <8FA026CC7E4B48C2B96F78A6E9FB24FD@MEDDIES2012> Hi Alec, Hey, 3D viewing by crossing the eyes! I thought I was the only one daft enough - but it works; I can still do it! I've been cheating at 'spot the difference' games for years - it's great to see all the differences 'flashing' at you! As a Sound Recordist by trade, (BBC for 12 years then YTV for 20 then freelance for another 12), I've been sticking personal mics in my ears to record my diaries in binaural 'surround' since I 'discovered' the technique a long time ago, and was amazed by the involvement it produces! In 2003 I was recordist on a documentary series 'O'Shea's Big Adventure' (Ch.4 and Animal Planet) in stereo, and they then specified dolby surround for the rest of the series. So I designed and put together a 'mid-side-mid' surround microphone-array-on-a-pole. The array fitted (just) inside a Rycote windshield, using Sennheiser MKH406 (forward cardioid), MKH405 (rearward cardioid) and MKH30 (side Fig-of-8) mics. No room for two 406s end to end, so the older, shorter, 405 chose itself. All great mics.. My chosen recording machine was a Deva 4, digital 4-chanel mixer/recorder, recording onto its internal 3.5" removeable hard disk drive - the only 4-channel recorder I could find for over-the shoulder docos. at that time! A mono (SQN4) mixer shared the bag with this, and did a mono active (and how!) pre-mix of the 3 talents' personal mics. This mix went to recorder channel 1; the surround mic array on a pole went to channels 2, 3, and 4 (levels pre-set). It was quite a bagfull, along with 3 UHF radio mic receivers and two VHF radio mic transmitters (backup sound to the camera); and when I say that the Cameraman was tall with very long legs, and I am not blessed with either of those features, you can imagine.........it was fun! But the wonderful surround result rewarded the effort. I really appreciate being born with 2 ears and 2 eyes, and living in a stereo 3D world, and ending up with a great big 4k 3D telly, (and of course a great surround system!) I've never considered stereo 3D a gimmick, as, sadly, many do. We live our lives in stereo 3D. Seems such a pity to waste the second eye and ear :-) !! Terry Enjoy the 3D tree walks! ----- Original Message ----- From: Alec Bray To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk ; mail at terrymeadowcroft.co.uk Sent: Friday, April 24, 2020 5:13 PM Subject: Re: [Tech1] Walk picture - 3D Hi Terry - and everyone, On 24/04/2020 13:10, terrymeadowcroft via Tech1 wrote: 'Widen your eyes' can't be did Thanks Terry, for your email and explanations! I'm afraid my terminology was a bit loose!. If you have ever looked at stereograms, the instructions tell you to "relax" your eyes. It's basically the same with the 3-D picture with no aids - you sort of focus your eyes differently. I am not the best person to sort out any problems with the 3-D effect:: when I was at College, I taught myself to see 3-D image pairs without a viewer: Nowadays, if there is, for example, a "spot the difference" puzzle with two images printed nearly side by side and of a suitable size, I can see the two images - one with each eye - and merge them into one - the differences then "shimmer" as the L&R images seem to switch in and out (I was going to say "vibrate" as that is what it more feels like.) I, too, have prisms as part of my vision prescription. It's fun going to the opticians, as the red spots wander all over the place ... Might be able to design a simple viewer for everyone to make if you all like the idea of more 3-D walk pictures from us all. -- Best Regards Alec Alec Bray alec.bray.2 at gmail.com mob: 07789 561 346 home: 0118 981 7502 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From mibridge at mac.com Sat Apr 25 02:25:53 2020 From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles) Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2020 08:25:53 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Walk picture - 3D In-Reply-To: <8FA026CC7E4B48C2B96F78A6E9FB24FD@MEDDIES2012> References: <8FA026CC7E4B48C2B96F78A6E9FB24FD@MEDDIES2012> Message-ID: <6294E584-AC09-478E-AD19-BA054F51B5F9@mac.com> Sitting at a sound desk doing sport at TVC which often involved quite long spells on the same source, I quite often found that my eyes had ?relaxed? so that each eye had locked on to adjacent channels, rather than both being locked into the same channel as normal, which produced a remarkable 3D effect. The first time it happened to me I wondered what on earth I was seeing until I put a finger our to tweak something, at which point I saw a double finger and realised what happened. Thereafter I could do it more or less at will, much the same as the published books of pages of seemingly mere patterns, which reveal hidden animals, vehicles, whales, etc., when you get your eyes ?unlocked?. Some people seem quite unable to do it. Mike G > On 25 Apr 2020, at 01:25, terrymeadowcroft via Tech1 wrote: > > ? > Hi Alec, > > Hey, 3D viewing by crossing the eyes! I thought I was the only one daft enough - but it works; I can still do it! > > I've been cheating at 'spot the difference' games for years - it's great to see all the differences 'flashing' at you! > > As a Sound Recordist by trade, (BBC for 12 years then YTV for 20 then freelance for another 12), I've been sticking personal mics in my ears to record my diaries in binaural 'surround' since I 'discovered' the technique a long time ago, and was amazed by the involvement it produces! > > In 2003 I was recordist on a documentary series 'O'Shea's Big Adventure' (Ch.4 and Animal Planet) in stereo, and they then specified dolby surround for the rest of the series. > > So I designed and put together a 'mid-side-mid' surround microphone-array-on-a-pole. The array fitted (just) inside a Rycote windshield, using Sennheiser MKH406 (forward cardioid), MKH405 (rearward cardioid) and MKH30 (side Fig-of-8) mics. No room for two 406s end to end, so the older, shorter, 405 chose itself. All great mics.. > > My chosen recording machine was a Deva 4, digital 4-chanel mixer/recorder, recording onto its internal 3.5" removeable hard disk drive - the only 4-channel recorder I could find for over-the shoulder docos. at that time! > > A mono (SQN4) mixer shared the bag with this, and did a mono active (and how!) pre-mix of the 3 talents' personal mics. > > This mix went to recorder channel 1; the surround mic array on a pole went to channels 2, 3, and 4 (levels pre-set). It was quite a bagfull, along with 3 UHF radio mic receivers and two VHF radio mic transmitters (backup sound to the camera); and when I say that the Cameraman was tall with very long legs, and I am not blessed with either of those features, you can imagine.........it was fun! > > But the wonderful surround result rewarded the effort. > > I really appreciate being born with 2 ears and 2 eyes, and living in a stereo 3D world, and ending up with a great big 4k 3D telly, (and of course a great surround system!) > > I've never considered stereo 3D a gimmick, as, sadly, many do. We live our lives in stereo 3D. Seems such a pity to waste the second eye and ear :-) !! > > Terry > > Enjoy the 3D tree walks! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Alec Bray > To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk ; mail at terrymeadowcroft.co.uk > Sent: Friday, April 24, 2020 5:13 PM > Subject: Re: [Tech1] Walk picture - 3D > > Hi Terry - and everyone, > > On 24/04/2020 13:10, terrymeadowcroft via Tech1 wrote: >> 'Widen your eyes' can't be did > Thanks Terry, for your email and explanations! I'm afraid my terminology was a bit loose!. If you have ever looked at stereograms, the instructions tell you to "relax" your eyes. It's basically the same with the 3-D picture with no aids - you sort of focus your eyes differently. > > I am not the best person to sort out any problems with the 3-D effect:: when I was at College, I taught myself to see 3-D image pairs without a viewer: Nowadays, if there is, for example, a "spot the difference" puzzle with two images printed nearly side by side and of a suitable size, I can see the two images - one with each eye - and merge them into one - the differences then "shimmer" as the L&R images seem to switch in and out (I was going to say "vibrate" as that is what it more feels like.) > > I, too, have prisms as part of my vision prescription. It's fun going to the opticians, as the red spots wander all over the place ... > > Might be able to design a simple viewer for everyone to make if you all like the idea of more 3-D walk pictures from us all. > > > > -- > Best Regards > > Alec > > Alec Bray > > alec.bray.2 at gmail.com > mob: 07789 561 346 > home: 0118 981 7502 > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alanaudio at me.com Sat Apr 25 02:32:26 2020 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2020 08:32:26 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Walk picture - 3D In-Reply-To: <8FA026CC7E4B48C2B96F78A6E9FB24FD@MEDDIES2012> References: <1a2e9ab9-c642-4e1c-9a9b-ebc98119a39f@gmail.com> <2076c8e5-6d10-bef3-a765-ae7a76467bcc@btinternet.com> <97210760C52F489E99BE1D62603BE4DB@MEDDIES2012> <8FA026CC7E4B48C2B96F78A6E9FB24FD@MEDDIES2012> Message-ID: <19D76616-2EAC-410C-8FF5-F721487527EF@me.com> I've never been comfortable with stereoscopic photography being referred to as 3D and it was especially so with the 3D television service. The fundamental problem for me is that the depth illusion is only there in the side to side plane and there is nothing in the vertical plane. I worked on quite a lot of 3D TV shows and observed the pictures in all sorts of circumstance, but was never happy with what I saw. If you move your head from side to side, you can peep round objects to a certain extent, but if you move your head up and down, there is no way you can peep over or under what is shown. "Stereoscopic" is the correct term when two images are used to create a depth illusion, but it's not 3D. The most you can reasonably hope to call it might be 2.5D, but not 3D. The real world is seen in 3D and includes the vertical plane. Having said all that, I was quite pleased to work on some of those 3D TV shows. One 3D show which was good for all the wrong reasons was doing 3D relays of Wimbledon for Sony, to be live screened at cinemas. We were being paid a pretty decent daily rate, had car parking passes for one if the more convenient car parks over the road from the courts and were issued with a generously loaded payment card for use in the exorbitant staff canteen. Best of all, they were only interested in doing the really big names, so after the rig, we were not needed for the first week and then were only used for big name appearances from the quarter finals onwards. The star turn would be on the centre court first thing in the afternoon and minutes after that match finished, we were off home, avoiding the crowds. It was a stark contrast to those ( relatively few ) times when I worked at Wimbledon doing BBC coverage of everything that moved for an entire fortnight. Alan Taylor From mibridge at mac.com Sat Apr 25 02:59:16 2020 From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles) Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2020 08:59:16 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Spring walk In-Reply-To: <20200423152225.C58E9D601B1@pv33p00im-smtpin025.me.com> References: <20200423152225.C58E9D601B1@pv33p00im-smtpin025.me.com> Message-ID: The water tower is doing a very good impression of Chad! Mike G > On 23 Apr 2020, at 16:22, jpn via Tech1 wrote: > > ? > Southwold Common looking & smelling very spring like. > > John > > > Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. > > <20200423_153844_resized.jpg> > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Sat Apr 25 03:58:35 2020 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2020 09:58:35 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Walk picture - 3D In-Reply-To: <19D76616-2EAC-410C-8FF5-F721487527EF@me.com> References: <1a2e9ab9-c642-4e1c-9a9b-ebc98119a39f@gmail.com> <2076c8e5-6d10-bef3-a765-ae7a76467bcc@btinternet.com> <97210760C52F489E99BE1D62603BE4DB@MEDDIES2012> <8FA026CC7E4B48C2B96F78A6E9FB24FD@MEDDIES2012> <19D76616-2EAC-410C-8FF5-F721487527EF@me.com> Message-ID: <5ea3fbb8.1c69fb81.5695.9105@mx.google.com> Hi Alan, The fact that we perceive stereoscopic vision only in the horizontal plane must be because our eyes are side by side (horizontally). To perceive vertically, would we need two further eyeballs, one above the other? Or would tilting one?s head sideways do the trick? (I visualise a Dr. Who creature with four eyes!). I brought in my stereo viewer to show the crew some examples. Peter Wineman (Sound Supervisor) remarked that it wouldn?t work for him, as he only had one eye! We never knew! Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Alan Taylor via Tech1 Sent: 25 April 2020 08:32 To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat Subject: Re: [Tech1] Walk picture - 3D I've never been comfortable with stereoscopic photography being referred to as 3D and it was especially so with the 3D television service. The fundamental problem for me is that the depth illusion is only there in the side to side plane and there is nothing in the vertical plane. I worked on quite a lot of 3D TV shows and observed the pictures in all sorts of circumstance, but was never happy with what I saw. If you move your head from side to side, you can peep round objects to a certain extent, but if you move your head up and down, there is no way you can peep over or under what is shown. "Stereoscopic" is the correct term when two images are used to create a depth illusion, but it's not 3D. The most you can reasonably hope to call it might be 2.5D, but not 3D. The real world is seen in 3D and includes the vertical plane. -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Cheers, Dave. ?On 25/04/2020 09:58, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > > Hi Alan, > > The fact that we perceive stereoscopic vision only in the horizontal > plane must be because our eyes are side by side (horizontally). To > perceive vertically, would we need two further eyeballs, one above the > other? Or would tilting one?s head sideways do the trick? > > (I visualise a Dr. Who creature with four eyes!). > > I brought in my stereo viewer to show the crew some examples. Peter > Wineman (Sound Supervisor) remarked that it wouldn?t work for him, as > he only had one eye! We never knew! > > Pat > > Sent from Mail for > Windows 10 > > *From: *Alan Taylor via Tech1 > *Sent: *25 April 2020 08:32 > *To: *Tech-Ops-chit-chat > *Subject: *Re: [Tech1] Walk picture - 3D > > I've never been comfortable with stereoscopic photography being > referred to as 3D and it was especially so with the 3D television service. > > The fundamental problem for me is that the depth illusion is only > there in the side to side plane and there is nothing in the vertical > plane. I worked on quite a lot of 3D TV shows and observed the > pictures in all sorts of circumstance, but was never happy with what I > saw.? If you move your head from side to side, you can peep round > objects to a certain extent, but if you move your head up and down, > there is no way you can peep over or under what is shown. > "Stereoscopic" is the correct term when two images are used to create > a depth illusion, but it's not 3D.? The most you can reasonably hope > to call it might be 2.5D, but not 3D. The real world is seen in 3D and > includes the vertical plane. > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Avast logo > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com > > > <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Sat Apr 25 04:20:09 2020 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2020 10:20:09 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Walk picture - 3D In-Reply-To: References: <1a2e9ab9-c642-4e1c-9a9b-ebc98119a39f@gmail.com> <2076c8e5-6d10-bef3-a765-ae7a76467bcc@btinternet.com> <97210760C52F489E99BE1D62603BE4DB@MEDDIES2012> <8FA026CC7E4B48C2B96F78A6E9FB24FD@MEDDIES2012> <19D76616-2EAC-410C-8FF5-F721487527EF@me.com> <5ea3fbb8.1c69fb81.5695.9105@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <5ea400c6.1c69fb81.88981.b923@mx.google.com> No, Dave, I had no idea. Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: dave.mdv Sent: 25 April 2020 10:12 To: patheigham; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Walk picture - 3D I thought it was common knowledge the Peter Wineman had only one working eye which is why he couldn't operate a boom very well and ended up in the office! He said he played cello in the Guards orchestra so I suppose one eye is good enough for that! (Chris Eames would know more). Cheers, Dave. -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Sat Apr 25 04:34:20 2020 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2020 10:34:20 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Walk picture - 3D In-Reply-To: References: <1a2e9ab9-c642-4e1c-9a9b-ebc98119a39f@gmail.com> <2076c8e5-6d10-bef3-a765-ae7a76467bcc@btinternet.com> <97210760C52F489E99BE1D62603BE4DB@MEDDIES2012> <8FA026CC7E4B48C2B96F78A6E9FB24FD@MEDDIES2012> <19D76616-2EAC-410C-8FF5-F721487527EF@me.com> <5ea3fbb8.1c69fb81.5695.9105@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <5ea40419.1c69fb81.6e223.1ced@mx.google.com> I had to look up Pete Wineman in the 1964 Crew list, as I couldn?t quite remember who it was. I?m amused that the poor old Corp used the (highly) correct form of listing personnel by the civil service (or boarding school) method of Surname & Initials, whereas we always referred to people by Firstname-LastName. It?s a good test of memory, to struggle to remember their first names when reading the list! (Now what?s my name......) Reminds me of an old joke: Pompous man at hotel reception, who isn?t getting the recognition from the girl that he thinks he should: ?Do you know who I am?? Girl calls across to her colleague: ?Hey, got a guy here who doesn?t know who he is!? Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: dave.mdv Sent: 25 April 2020 10:12 To: patheigham; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Walk picture - 3D I thought it was common knowledge the Peter Wineman had only one working eye which is why he couldn't operate a boom very well and ended up in the office! He said he played cello in the Guards orchestra so I suppose one eye is good enough for that! (Chris Eames would know more). Cheers, Dave. I brought in my stereo viewer to show the crew some examples. Peter Wineman (Sound Supervisor) remarked that it wouldn?t work for him, as he only had one eye! -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Sat Apr 25 04:47:41 2020 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2020 10:47:41 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Trump on the rocks? In-Reply-To: <030A62C2-9FAA-427A-90AF-DE0E6E71E13F@mac.com> References: <030A62C2-9FAA-427A-90AF-DE0E6E71E13F@mac.com> Message-ID: <5ea4073a.1c69fb81.2fb2a.ac2d@mx.google.com> Ah! ?Go wash your mouth out? is starting to make sense! I reckon the Yanks got what they voted for ? but I now realise that VOTE is an anagram of VETO. Maybe the whole nation is dyslexic. Perhaps if the United Kingdom splits up, it would become: ?The Untied Kingdom? (OK, Pat we?ll let you know.) Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Mike Giles via Tech1 Sent: 25 April 2020 08:06 To: Tech Ops Subject: [Tech1] Trump on the rocks? -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave at davesound.co.uk Sat Apr 25 04:59:24 2020 From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman) Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2020 10:59:24 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Zooming In-Reply-To: References: <419b3c1e-0fb3-8e03-d8b1-b22e8bd608e5@gmail.com> <6A9215FC-BF7B-4BE8-B442-A0EEF7D6ED7D@eccles.me> <586637ea62dave@davesound.co.uk> Message-ID: <5866ad4f9edave@davesound.co.uk> In article , Graham Maunder wrote: > Hope it?s not too late for you to cancel your green screen order as zoom > works really well without it - very clever stuff. Thanks Graham, but when trying that before Zoom tells me my laptop isn't suitable. It's quite a few years old, and still running Win7 Pro. I did some experiments using a green rugby shirt ;-) and it triggered very well. -- *Tell me to 'stuff it' - I'm a taxidermist. Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From waresound at msn.com Sat Apr 25 05:06:26 2020 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2020 10:06:26 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Walk picture - 3D In-Reply-To: <6294E584-AC09-478E-AD19-BA054F51B5F9@mac.com> References: <8FA026CC7E4B48C2B96F78A6E9FB24FD@MEDDIES2012>, <6294E584-AC09-478E-AD19-BA054F51B5F9@mac.com> Message-ID: Me too. I?ve always found that phenomenon rather intriguing. Cheers, Nick. Sent from my iPad mini 5 On 25 Apr 2020, at 08:26, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: ? Sitting at a sound desk doing sport at TVC which often involved quite long spells on the same source, I quite often found that my eyes had ?relaxed? so that each eye had locked on to adjacent channels, rather than both being locked into the same channel as normal, which produced a remarkable 3D effect. The first time it happened to me I wondered what on earth I was seeing until I put a finger our to tweak something, at which point I saw a double finger and realised what happened. Thereafter I could do it more or less at will, much the same as the published books of pages of seemingly mere patterns, which reveal hidden animals, vehicles, whales, etc., when you get your eyes ?unlocked?. Some people seem quite unable to do it. Mike G On 25 Apr 2020, at 01:25, terrymeadowcroft via Tech1 wrote: ? Hi Alec, Hey, 3D viewing by crossing the eyes! I thought I was the only one daft enough - but it works; I can still do it! I've been cheating at 'spot the difference' games for years - it's great to see all the differences 'flashing' at you! As a Sound Recordist by trade, (BBC for 12 years then YTV for 20 then freelance for another 12), I've been sticking personal mics in my ears to record my diaries in binaural 'surround' since I 'discovered' the technique a long time ago, and was amazed by the involvement it produces! In 2003 I was recordist on a documentary series 'O'Shea's Big Adventure' (Ch.4 and Animal Planet) in stereo, and they then specified dolby surround for the rest of the series. So I designed and put together a 'mid-side-mid' surround microphone-array-on-a-pole. The array fitted (just) inside a Rycote windshield, using Sennheiser MKH406 (forward cardioid), MKH405 (rearward cardioid) and MKH30 (side Fig-of-8) mics. No room for two 406s end to end, so the older, shorter, 405 chose itself. All great mics.. My chosen recording machine was a Deva 4, digital 4-chanel mixer/recorder, recording onto its internal 3.5" removeable hard disk drive - the only 4-channel recorder I could find for over-the shoulder docos. at that time! A mono (SQN4) mixer shared the bag with this, and did a mono active (and how!) pre-mix of the 3 talents' personal mics. This mix went to recorder channel 1; the surround mic array on a pole went to channels 2, 3, and 4 (levels pre-set). It was quite a bagfull, along with 3 UHF radio mic receivers and two VHF radio mic transmitters (backup sound to the camera); and when I say that the Cameraman was tall with very long legs, and I am not blessed with either of those features, you can imagine.........it was fun! But the wonderful surround result rewarded the effort. I really appreciate being born with 2 ears and 2 eyes, and living in a stereo 3D world, and ending up with a great big 4k 3D telly, (and of course a great surround system!) I've never considered stereo 3D a gimmick, as, sadly, many do. We live our lives in stereo 3D. Seems such a pity to waste the second eye and ear :-) !! Terry Enjoy the 3D tree walks! ----- Original Message ----- From: Alec Bray To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk ; mail at terrymeadowcroft.co.uk Sent: Friday, April 24, 2020 5:13 PM Subject: Re: [Tech1] Walk picture - 3D Hi Terry - and everyone, On 24/04/2020 13:10, terrymeadowcroft via Tech1 wrote: 'Widen your eyes' can't be did Thanks Terry, for your email and explanations! I'm afraid my terminology was a bit loose!. If you have ever looked at stereograms, the instructions tell you to "relax" your eyes. It's basically the same with the 3-D picture with no aids - you sort of focus your eyes differently. I am not the best person to sort out any problems with the 3-D effect:: when I was at College, I taught myself to see 3-D image pairs without a viewer: Nowadays, if there is, for example, a "spot the difference" puzzle with two images printed nearly side by side and of a suitable size, I can see the two images - one with each eye - and merge them into one - the differences then "shimmer" as the L&R images seem to switch in and out (I was going to say "vibrate" as that is what it more feels like.) I, too, have prisms as part of my vision prescription. It's fun going to the opticians, as the red spots wander all over the place ... Might be able to design a simple viewer for everyone to make if you all like the idea of more 3-D walk pictures from us all. -- Best Regards Alec Alec Bray alec.bray.2 at gmail.com mob: 07789 561 346 home: 0118 981 7502 -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alanaudio at me.com Sat Apr 25 05:11:36 2020 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2020 11:11:36 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Walk picture - 3D In-Reply-To: <5ea3fbb8.1c69fb81.5695.9105@mx.google.com> References: <5ea3fbb8.1c69fb81.5695.9105@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <5F3C431E-800D-4BD2-B16D-BEA1F0E8DB09@me.com> With ?3D? television images, you can peep round things by moving your head a little to one side or the other and the image reflects that slight change of viewpoint in a natural way, but if you were to move your head up or down by a similar amount, you observe no corresponding change in the vertical axis. When I view stereoscopic images, they look to me rather like a series of flat planes, much like the way that in an opera house, the impression of depth is created by having flats hung at different distances from the proscenium arch. When I view the real world, it?s a true 3D Image with subtle graduations. Stereoscopic images create an excellent impression of depth, but they rarely look exactly like the real world to me. I don?t understand why that is because in each case I?m viewing with exactly the same number of eyes. We?ve only got two ears, but can perceive sound as coming from above or below, so I think there?s more going on with our perception of vision and sound than meets the eye ( or the ear ). Alan Taylor > On 25 Apr 2020, at 09:58, patheigham wrote: > > ? > Hi Alan, > The fact that we perceive stereoscopic vision only in the horizontal plane must be because our eyes are side by side (horizontally). To perceive vertically, would we need two further eyeballs, one above the other? Or would tilting one?s head sideways do the trick? > (I visualise a Dr. Who creature with four eyes!). > > I brought in my stereo viewer to show the crew some examples. Peter Wineman (Sound Supervisor) remarked that it wouldn?t work for him, as he only had one eye! We never knew! > > Pat > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > From: Alan Taylor via Tech1 > Sent: 25 April 2020 08:32 > To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat > Subject: Re: [Tech1] Walk picture - 3D > > I've never been comfortable with stereoscopic photography being referred to as 3D and it was especially so with the 3D television service. > > The fundamental problem for me is that the depth illusion is only there in the side to side plane and there is nothing in the vertical plane. I worked on quite a lot of 3D TV shows and observed the pictures in all sorts of circumstance, but was never happy with what I saw. If you move your head from side to side, you can peep round objects to a certain extent, but if you move your head up and down, there is no way you can peep over or under what is shown. "Stereoscopic" is the correct term when two images are used to create a depth illusion, but it's not 3D. The most you can reasonably hope to call it might be 2.5D, but not 3D. The real world is seen in 3D and includes the vertical plane. > > > > > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Sat Apr 25 05:37:29 2020 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2020 11:37:29 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Eyes In-Reply-To: <6294E584-AC09-478E-AD19-BA054F51B5F9@mac.com> References: <8FA026CC7E4B48C2B96F78A6E9FB24FD@MEDDIES2012> <6294E584-AC09-478E-AD19-BA054F51B5F9@mac.com> Message-ID: I also experienced a similar effect looking at the sound desk in my scanner but the images seem to be enlarged, when I brought the eyes back together it all went further away! Looking at my monitor now I can 'split' my eyes and see two images about 2" apart e.g. 'before lunch as well before lunch as well'. Cheers, Dave. PS. It happened before lunch as well! On 25/04/2020 08:25, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: > Sitting at a sound desk doing sport at TVC which often involved quite > long spells on the same source, I quite often found that my eyes had > ?relaxed? so that each eye had locked on to adjacent channels, rather > than both being locked into the same channel as normal, which produced > a remarkable 3D effect. The first time it happened to me I wondered > what on earth I was seeing until I put a finger our to tweak > something, at which point I saw a double finger and realised what > happened. Thereafter I could do it more or less at will, much the same > as the published books of pages of seemingly mere patterns, which > reveal hidden animals, vehicles, whales, etc., when you get your eyes > ?unlocked?. Some people seem quite unable to do it. > > Mike G > >> On 25 Apr 2020, at 01:25, terrymeadowcroft via Tech1 >> wrote: >> >> ? >> Hi Alec, >> Hey, 3D viewing by crossing the eyes! I thought I was the only one >> daft enough - but it works; I can still do it! >> I've been cheating at 'spot the difference' games for years - it's >> great to see all the differences 'flashing' at you! >> As a Sound Recordist? by trade, (BBC for 12 years then YTV for 20 >> then freelance for another 12), I've been sticking personal mics in >> my ears to record my diaries in binaural 'surround' since I >> 'discovered' the technique a long time ago, and was amazed by the >> involvement it produces! >> In 2003?I was?recordist on a documentary series 'O'Shea's Big >> Adventure' (Ch.4 and Animal Planet) in stereo,?and they then >> specified dolby surround for the rest of the series. >> So I?designed and put together?a 'mid-side-mid' surround >> microphone-array-on-a-pole.?The array?fitted (just) inside a Rycote >> windshield, using Sennheiser MKH406 (forward cardioid), MKH405 >> (rearward cardioid)?and MKH30 (side Fig-of-8) mics.?No room for two >> 406s end to end,?so the older, shorter,?405 chose itself.?All great >> mics.. >> My chosen recording machine was a Deva 4, digital 4-chanel >> mixer/recorder, recording onto?its internal?3.5" removeable hard disk >> drive - the only 4-channel recorder?I could find?for over-the >> shoulder docos. at that time! >> A mono (SQN4) mixer shared the bag with this, and did a mono active >> (and how!) pre-mix of the 3 talents' personal mics. >> This mix?went?to recorder channel 1; the surround mic array on a >> pole?went to?channels 2, 3, and 4 (levels pre-set). It was quite a >> bagfull, along with 3 UHF radio mic receivers and two VHF radio mic >> transmitters (backup sound?to the camera);?and when I say that the >> Cameraman was tall with very long legs, and I am not blessed with >> either of those features, you can imagine.........it was fun! >> But the wonderful?surround?result rewarded the effort. >> I?really appreciate being born with 2 ears and 2 eyes, and living in >> a stereo 3D world, and ending up with a great big 4k 3D telly, (and >> of course a great surround system!) >> I've never considered stereo 3D a gimmick, as, sadly,?many do. We >> live our lives in stereo 3D. Seems such a?pity to waste the second >> eye and ear :-) !! >> Terry >> Enjoy the 3D tree walks! >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> *From:* Alec Bray >> *To:* tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk ; >> mail at terrymeadowcroft.co.uk >> *Sent:* Friday, April 24, 2020 5:13 PM >> *Subject:* Re: [Tech1] Walk picture - 3D >> >> Hi Terry - and everyone, >> >> On 24/04/2020 13:10, terrymeadowcroft via Tech1 wrote: >>> 'Widen your eyes' can't be did >> >> Thanks Terry, for your email and explanations!? I'm afraid my >> terminology was a bit loose!.? If you have ever looked at >> stereograms, the instructions tell you to "relax" your eyes.? >> It's basically the same with the 3-D picture with no aids - you >> sort of focus your eyes differently. >> >> I am not the best person to sort out any problems with the 3-D >> effect:: when I was at College, I taught myself to see 3-D image >> pairs without a viewer: Nowadays, if there is, for example, a >> "spot the difference" puzzle with two images printed nearly side >> by side and of a suitable size, I can see the two images - one >> with each eye -? and merge them into one - the differences then >> "shimmer" as the L&R images seem to switch in and out (I was >> going to say "vibrate" as that is what it more feels like.) >> >> I, too, have prisms as part of my vision prescription. It's fun >> going to the opticians, as the red spots wander all over the >> place ... >> >> Might be able to design a simple viewer for everyone to make if >> you all like the idea of more 3-D walk pictures from us all. >> >> >> -- >> Best Regards >> >> Alec >> >> Alec Bray >> >> alec.bray.2 at gmail.com >> mob: 07789 561 346 >> home: 0118 981 7502 >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Sat Apr 25 06:06:41 2020 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2020 12:06:41 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Walk picture - 3D In-Reply-To: <5F3C431E-800D-4BD2-B16D-BEA1F0E8DB09@me.com> References: <5ea3fbb8.1c69fb81.5695.9105@mx.google.com> <5F3C431E-800D-4BD2-B16D-BEA1F0E8DB09@me.com> Message-ID: <5ea419bf.1c69fb81.7d1ba.0d5d@mx.google.com> Having been fortunate to have had a private tour of the IMAX cinema at Waterloo, we discovered that there were a series of vertical loudspeakers to direct the audio ?up and down? as well. Multiple sound tracks off computer, locked to the projectors. What was interesting was that should the film suffer a break, it had to be repaired with black frames inserted, to keep the length the same ? it wasn?t possible to edit the computer audio track! Don?t see why not. When I was playing with projected stereoscopic slides, it was possible to adjust the picture so that it appeared to be beyond the screen ? one felt like going up and peering over the edge. Or, to bring the image out in front of the screen, this is used by IMAX, and is incredibly effective. In mono IMAX, what works best are wide shots from aerial cameras, a demonstration reel had some clips from a drama ? facial CU?s, the height of three London double-deckers just didn?t look right! The IMAX visit was facilitated thanks to AMPS member Anthony Faust who had mixed many of the IMAX films. Alan?s ?flat plane? perception could be similar to the reaction of a remote tribe, somewhere, who were shown film of the footage shot. They didn?t understand why they were being shown a succession of still pictures. Which leads to the explanation and another old joke: ?Marilyn Monroe?s wiggle doesn?t exist ? it?s called ?persistence of vision!? Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Alan Taylor via Tech1 Sent: 25 April 2020 11:11 To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat Subject: Re: [Tech1] Walk picture - 3D When I view stereoscopic images, they look to me rather like a series of flat planes, much like the way that in an opera house, the impression of depth is created by having flats hung at different distances from the proscenium arch.? We?ve only got two ears, but can perceive sound as coming from above or below, so I think there?s more going on with our perception of vision and sound than meets the eye ( or the ear ). Alan Taylor -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Sat Apr 25 06:18:32 2020 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2020 12:18:32 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Eyes In-Reply-To: References: <8FA026CC7E4B48C2B96F78A6E9FB24FD@MEDDIES2012> <6294E584-AC09-478E-AD19-BA054F51B5F9@mac.com> Message-ID: <5ea41c85.1c69fb81.75194.1f32@mx.google.com> Do you have to be ?cross-eyed? to do a cross-fade? Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: dave.mdv via Tech1 Sent: 25 April 2020 11:37 To: Mike Giles; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Eyes I also experienced a similar effect looking at the sound desk in my scanner but the images seem to be enlarged, when I brought the eyes back together it all went further away! Looking at my monitor now I can 'split' my eyes and see two images about 2" apart e.g.? 'before lunch as well before lunch as well'. Cheers, Dave. PS. It happened before lunch as well! -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Sat Apr 25 06:31:32 2020 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2020 12:31:32 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Eyes In-Reply-To: References: <8FA026CC7E4B48C2B96F78A6E9FB24FD@MEDDIES2012> <6294E584-AC09-478E-AD19-BA054F51B5F9@mac.com> Message-ID: <5ea41f92.1c69fb81.49bd8.c1c1@mx.google.com> On a more serious note: I occasionally experience a ?jazzy? effect in my sight, as well as double vision, on one occasion the impression of being underwater with weeds on either side. Mentioning it to my Optometrist, she said it was a migraine. Well I always though that migraines were manifested as huge headaches, but apparently not. Worried about my ability to continue driving at 77, I checked with the optometrist ? after two cataract ops, I?m reading two lines above 20-20. So reassured. Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: dave.mdv via Tech1 Sent: 25 April 2020 11:37 To: Mike Giles; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Eyes I also experienced a similar effect looking at the sound desk in my scanner but the images seem to be enlarged, when I brought the eyes back together it all went further away! Looking at my monitor now I can 'split' my eyes and see two images about 2" apart e.g.? 'before lunch as well before lunch as well'. Cheers, Dave. PS. It happened before lunch as well! -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From waresound at msn.com Sat Apr 25 06:38:05 2020 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2020 11:38:05 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Walk picture - 3D In-Reply-To: <6294E584-AC09-478E-AD19-BA054F51B5F9@mac.com> References: <8FA026CC7E4B48C2B96F78A6E9FB24FD@MEDDIES2012>, <6294E584-AC09-478E-AD19-BA054F51B5F9@mac.com> Message-ID: The impression of 3D from two side-by-side flat images is not real 3D, it?s just the brain being tricked into ?seeing? what you are wanting it to. In real life, each eye is seeing a three dimensional object, albeit from a slightly different viewpoint. Without the brain?s computing ability you would be seeing everything upside down. What none of us know is how long it takes a new born baby to learn to see the right way up. Vision is as much about the brain as it is about the eyes. When you consider that each eye only contains a simple convex lens, and all the lens and retina resolution is near the centre, you realise that the brain has to tell the eyes to do a lot of panning around to build up an overall impression of a sharp image. And obviously, memory plays an important part in that too. My take on the sound desk 3D effect is that because the channel modules are 3D anyway and with slightly different perspective the further away they get, and your brain knows that, the 3D phenomenon is easy to see. The faders are just not where they seem to be when you?re dozing off! I assumed that Pete W lost sight in one eye some time after he learnt to play the cello, because accurate bowing must depend on pretty good visual sense and spatial awareness. I don?t think I ever actually heard him play. Whet became of Pete? I always counted on him as a good friend. Cheers, Nick. Sent from my iPad mini 5 On 25 Apr 2020, at 08:26, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: ? Sitting at a sound desk doing sport at TVC which often involved quite long spells on the same source, I quite often found that my eyes had ?relaxed? so that each eye had locked on to adjacent channels, rather than both being locked into the same channel as normal, which produced a remarkable 3D effect. The first time it happened to me I wondered what on earth I was seeing until I put a finger our to tweak something, at which point I saw a double finger and realised what happened. Thereafter I could do it more or less at will, much the same as the published books of pages of seemingly mere patterns, which reveal hidden animals, vehicles, whales, etc., when you get your eyes ?unlocked?. Some people seem quite unable to do it. Mike G On 25 Apr 2020, at 01:25, terrymeadowcroft via Tech1 wrote: ? Hi Alec, Hey, 3D viewing by crossing the eyes! I thought I was the only one daft enough - but it works; I can still do it! I've been cheating at 'spot the difference' games for years - it's great to see all the differences 'flashing' at you! As a Sound Recordist by trade, (BBC for 12 years then YTV for 20 then freelance for another 12), I've been sticking personal mics in my ears to record my diaries in binaural 'surround' since I 'discovered' the technique a long time ago, and was amazed by the involvement it produces! In 2003 I was recordist on a documentary series 'O'Shea's Big Adventure' (Ch.4 and Animal Planet) in stereo, and they then specified dolby surround for the rest of the series. So I designed and put together a 'mid-side-mid' surround microphone-array-on-a-pole. The array fitted (just) inside a Rycote windshield, using Sennheiser MKH406 (forward cardioid), MKH405 (rearward cardioid) and MKH30 (side Fig-of-8) mics. No room for two 406s end to end, so the older, shorter, 405 chose itself. All great mics.. My chosen recording machine was a Deva 4, digital 4-chanel mixer/recorder, recording onto its internal 3.5" removeable hard disk drive - the only 4-channel recorder I could find for over-the shoulder docos. at that time! A mono (SQN4) mixer shared the bag with this, and did a mono active (and how!) pre-mix of the 3 talents' personal mics. This mix went to recorder channel 1; the surround mic array on a pole went to channels 2, 3, and 4 (levels pre-set). It was quite a bagfull, along with 3 UHF radio mic receivers and two VHF radio mic transmitters (backup sound to the camera); and when I say that the Cameraman was tall with very long legs, and I am not blessed with either of those features, you can imagine.........it was fun! But the wonderful surround result rewarded the effort. I really appreciate being born with 2 ears and 2 eyes, and living in a stereo 3D world, and ending up with a great big 4k 3D telly, (and of course a great surround system!) I've never considered stereo 3D a gimmick, as, sadly, many do. We live our lives in stereo 3D. Seems such a pity to waste the second eye and ear :-) !! Terry Enjoy the 3D tree walks! ----- Original Message ----- From: Alec Bray To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk ; mail at terrymeadowcroft.co.uk Sent: Friday, April 24, 2020 5:13 PM Subject: Re: [Tech1] Walk picture - 3D Hi Terry - and everyone, On 24/04/2020 13:10, terrymeadowcroft via Tech1 wrote: 'Widen your eyes' can't be did Thanks Terry, for your email and explanations! I'm afraid my terminology was a bit loose!. If you have ever looked at stereograms, the instructions tell you to "relax" your eyes. It's basically the same with the 3-D picture with no aids - you sort of focus your eyes differently. I am not the best person to sort out any problems with the 3-D effect:: when I was at College, I taught myself to see 3-D image pairs without a viewer: Nowadays, if there is, for example, a "spot the difference" puzzle with two images printed nearly side by side and of a suitable size, I can see the two images - one with each eye - and merge them into one - the differences then "shimmer" as the L&R images seem to switch in and out (I was going to say "vibrate" as that is what it more feels like.) I, too, have prisms as part of my vision prescription. It's fun going to the opticians, as the red spots wander all over the place ... Might be able to design a simple viewer for everyone to make if you all like the idea of more 3-D walk pictures from us all. -- Best Regards Alec Alec Bray alec.bray.2 at gmail.com mob: 07789 561 346 home: 0118 981 7502 -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alanaudio at me.com Sat Apr 25 06:42:59 2020 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2020 12:42:59 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: Walk picture - 3D References: <5ea419bf.1c69fb81.7d1ba.0d5d@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Demonstrating and early operational techniques using new technology often involves gimmicks to show off certain features and for the most part, they are just that, but I sometimes a gimmick can work well as part of the story. I once too my grandchildren to the IMAX theatre in Bradford to see an animated Father Christmas movie in 3D. For the most part it was pretty standard stuff, but there was a scene where Father Christmas mentions naughty children, turns to address the audience and says that he has heard that there is one disappointingly naughty child in the audience who he is keeping a special eye on in the run up to Christmas. He then starts pointing with his finger from left to right and up and down as though trying to pick out that particular child.I guessed what was coming and turned to watch the reaction of my grandchildren as his 3D finger ended up pointing right to the tip of their nose. There was a priceless shocked reaction of "How did he know?", which was also to be seen on the face of every other child in the audience too. As for your observation about projecting stereoscopic slides to make the picture to appear to be wider than the screen, stereo audio tracks can have one audio track phase inverted and will give the impression of the sound coming from beyond the speakers. PPM instruments for stereo broadcasts alert operators to when there is excessive phase difference on the stereo audio channels. 70mm IMAX film has the frame the other way round to on a 35mm film, so a hell of a lot more celluloid is used in each shot. I don't know how true it is, but I was once told that merely shooting the clapper board used $20 worth of film stock. Alan Taylor Begin forwarded message: > From: patheigham > Subject: RE: [Tech1] Walk picture - 3D > Date: 25 April 2020 12:06:41 BST > To: Alan Taylor , Tech-Ops-chit-chat > > Having been fortunate to have had a private tour of the IMAX cinema at Waterloo, we discovered that there were a series of vertical loudspeakers to direct the audio ?up and down? as well. > Multiple sound tracks off computer, locked to the projectors. > What was interesting was that should the film suffer a break, it had to be repaired with black frames inserted, to keep the length the same ? it wasn?t possible to edit the computer audio track! Don?t see why not. > When I was playing with projected stereoscopic slides, it was possible to adjust the picture so that it appeared to be beyond the screen ? one felt like going up and peering over the edge. Or, to bring the image out in front of the screen, this is used by IMAX, and is incredibly effective. > In mono IMAX, what works best are wide shots from aerial cameras, a demonstration reel had some clips from a drama ? facial CU?s, the height of three London double-deckers just didn?t look right! > > The IMAX visit was facilitated thanks to AMPS member Anthony Faust who had mixed many of the IMAX films. > > Alan?s ?flat plane? perception could be similar to the reaction of a remote tribe, somewhere, who were shown film of the footage shot. > They didn?t understand why they were being shown a succession of still pictures. > Which leads to the explanation and another old joke: > ?Marilyn Monroe?s wiggle doesn?t exist ? it?s called ?persistence of vision!? > > > Pat > > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > From: Alan Taylor via Tech1 > Sent: 25 April 2020 11:11 > To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat > Subject: Re: [Tech1] Walk picture - 3D > > When I view stereoscopic images, they look to me rather like a series of flat planes, much like the way that in an opera house, the impression of depth is created by having flats hung at different distances from the proscenium arch. > We?ve only got two ears, but can perceive sound as coming from above or below, so I think there?s more going on with our perception of vision and sound than meets the eye ( or the ear ). > > Alan Taylor > > > > > > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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They are depth ~effects~ - not the real thing. You cannot move your viewpoint and see something new. Wavefield synthesis gives an eye-opener into true 3D audio - not perfect yet, but you can actually walk around a space, turn round, and have every sound stay where it should be - and even have sound from beyond the boundary of the speakers. Generating 3D images from laser-scanned spaces does allow something similar - you can move anywhere within the virtual space and see behind objects as well as from the front. These techniques are ~true~ surround ones, giving you the freedom to move about without restriction, but the data complexity of this sort of stuff is frightening. Nor are these techniques much use in a lot of entertainment - for this we usually prefer the proscenium arch approach where we see and hear something specifically from the "director's" chosen viewpoint. The attempts to change this - books that can be read in any chapter order, dramas that allow the audience to choose the outcome of a story etc, have never proved terribly successful, for good reason. Chris Woolf From pat.heigham at amps.net Sat Apr 25 08:27:23 2020 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2020 14:27:23 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Walk picture - 3D In-Reply-To: <5caddce7-c58b-93f3-7b66-b631f52546c4@chriswoolf.co.uk> References: <5ea3fbb8.1c69fb81.5695.9105@mx.google.com> <5F3C431E-800D-4BD2-B16D-BEA1F0E8DB09@me.com> <5caddce7-c58b-93f3-7b66-b631f52546c4@chriswoolf.co.uk> Message-ID: <5ea43abc.1c69fb81.ba409.cbca@mx.google.com> I would agree with Chris. I like the proscenium arch, dislike theatre in the round. I get unnerved when actors leave the stage and advance into the auditorium. They are invading my space, I?ve come to watch them, not to be part of the show. Don?t think it would go down too well if I climbed onto their stage? Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 1 From: Chris Woolf via Tech1 Sent: 25 April 2020 13:41 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Walk picture - 3D Nor are these techniques much use in a lot of entertainment - for this we usually prefer the proscenium arch approach where we see and hear something specifically from the "director's" chosen viewpoint. Chris Woolf -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From billjenkin67 at gmail.com Sat Apr 25 09:18:46 2020 From: billjenkin67 at gmail.com (Bill Jenkin) Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2020 15:18:46 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Walk picture - 3D In-Reply-To: <5ea43abc.1c69fb81.ba409.cbca@mx.google.com> References: <5ea3fbb8.1c69fb81.5695.9105@mx.google.com> <5F3C431E-800D-4BD2-B16D-BEA1F0E8DB09@me.com> <5caddce7-c58b-93f3-7b66-b631f52546c4@chriswoolf.co.uk> <5ea43abc.1c69fb81.ba409.cbca@mx.google.com> Message-ID: I know what you mean about being/not being on stage with them. I had the misfortune once of seeing a production of Julius Caesar at Stratford on Avon which was very much in the round and we were in seats that were actually on the stage literally. I was apprehensive about being included in the action somehow but the worst thing was that for obvious reasons I found myself directly in the actor's eyelines which was something we had tried to avoid for years working on dramas in the studio. So I found myself desperately trying not to look at them for fear of "I'm sorry, there's someone in my eyeline". That did happen to me once at work while eighting up a camera cable outside a set when Dan Massey gazed out through the window as part of the action and saw me! Bill On Sat, 25 Apr 2020, 14:27 patheigham via Tech1, wrote: > I would agree with Chris. I like the proscenium arch, dislike theatre in > the round. > > I get unnerved when actors leave the stage and advance into the auditorium. > > They are invading my space, I?ve come to watch them, not to be part of the > show. > > Don?t think it would go down too well if I climbed onto their stage? > > Pat > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I guess we could have been a director and his PA to see an actor, but I did not admit to anyone! Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Bill Jenkin Sent: 25 April 2020 15:18 To: patheigham; Tech-Ops. co. uk email group Subject: Re: [Tech1] Walk picture - 3D I know what you mean about being/not being on stage with them.?? I had the misfortune once of seeing a production of Julius Caesar at Stratford on Avon which was very much in the round and we were in seats that were actually on the stage literally -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bernie833 at gmail.com Sat Apr 25 09:52:26 2020 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2020 15:52:26 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Walk picture - 3D In-Reply-To: <5ea43abc.1c69fb81.ba409.cbca@mx.google.com> References: <5ea3fbb8.1c69fb81.5695.9105@mx.google.com> <5F3C431E-800D-4BD2-B16D-BEA1F0E8DB09@me.com> <5caddce7-c58b-93f3-7b66-b631f52546c4@chriswoolf.co.uk> <5ea43abc.1c69fb81.ba409.cbca@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <2f387aa4-868d-0687-c583-5fb5d1c06083@gmail.com> In the 1960s I went to a comics exhibition at the ICA. The ticket included a performance of an associated drama, so I went. The only bit I remember is that one of the cast took off most of her clothes, and the rest of the cast ran round the stalls pointing and shouting "He's a wanker!". I expect you could sue nowadays. B On 25/04/2020 14:27, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > > I would agree with Chris. I like the proscenium arch, dislike theatre > in the round. > > I get unnerved when actors leave the stage and advance into the > auditorium. > > They are invading my space, I?ve come to watch them, not to be part of > the show. > > Don?t think it would go down too well if I climbed onto their stage? > > Pat > > Sent from Mail for > Windows 1 > > *From: *Chris Woolf via Tech1 > *Sent: *25 April 2020 13:41 > *To: *tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > *Subject: *Re: [Tech1] Walk picture - 3D > > Nor are these techniques much use in a lot of entertainment - for this > > we usually prefer the proscenium arch approach where we see and hear > > something specifically from the "director's" chosen viewpoint. > > Chris Woolf > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Avast logo > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com > > > <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Sat Apr 25 09:58:58 2020 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2020 15:58:58 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Walk picture - 3D In-Reply-To: References: <5ea3fbb8.1c69fb81.5695.9105@mx.google.com> <5F3C431E-800D-4BD2-B16D-BEA1F0E8DB09@me.com> <5caddce7-c58b-93f3-7b66-b631f52546c4@chriswoolf.co.uk> <5ea43abc.1c69fb81.ba409.cbca@mx.google.com> Message-ID: I? heard from a mate who worked on a 'Mission Impossible' movie that someone got fired just for looking at Tom Cruise! Some golfers can be very precious as well if you stand in the wrong place! Cheers, Dave On 25/04/2020 15:18, Bill Jenkin via Tech1 wrote: > I know what you mean about being/not being on stage with them. > I had the misfortune once of seeing a production of Julius Caesar at > Stratford on Avon which was very much in the round and we were in > seats that were actually on the stage literally.? I was apprehensive > about being included in the action somehow but the worst thing was > that for obvious reasons I found myself directly in the actor's > eyelines which was something we had tried to avoid for years working > on dramas in the studio. So I found myself desperately trying not to > look at them for fear of "I'm sorry, there's someone in my eyeline". > That did happen to me once at work while eighting up a camera cable > outside a set when Dan Massey gazed out through the window as part of > the action and saw me! > Bill > > On Sat, 25 Apr 2020, 14:27 patheigham via Tech1, > wrote: > > I would agree with Chris. I like the proscenium arch, dislike > theatre in the round. > > I get unnerved when actors leave the stage and advance into the > auditorium. > > They are invading my space, I?ve come to watch them, not to be > part of the show. > > Don?t think it would go down too well if I climbed onto their stage? > > Pat > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From waresound at msn.com Sat Apr 25 10:03:09 2020 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2020 15:03:09 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Walk picture - 3D In-Reply-To: <5ea43abc.1c69fb81.ba409.cbca@mx.google.com> References: <5ea3fbb8.1c69fb81.5695.9105@mx.google.com> <5F3C431E-800D-4BD2-B16D-BEA1F0E8DB09@me.com> <5caddce7-c58b-93f3-7b66-b631f52546c4@chriswoolf.co.uk>, <5ea43abc.1c69fb81.ba409.cbca@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Even a proscenium arch doesn?t necessarily mean you?re safe. I once had comps for the Christmas Panto at Wimbledon Theatre. If I?d paid for the tickets I definitely wouldn?t have had centre front row stalls seats. But there we were, and Kenn Dodd, who I had been working with a number of times, recognised me, and calling me by name, taunted and teased me mercilessly. I won?t make that mistake again! Cheers, Nick. Sent from my iPad mini 5 On 25 Apr 2020, at 14:28, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: ? I would agree with Chris. I like the proscenium arch, dislike theatre in the round. I get unnerved when actors leave the stage and advance into the auditorium. They are invading my space, I?ve come to watch them, not to be part of the show. Don?t think it would go down too well if I climbed onto their stage? Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 1 From: Chris Woolf via Tech1 Sent: 25 April 2020 13:41 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Walk picture - 3D Nor are these techniques much use in a lot of entertainment - for this we usually prefer the proscenium arch approach where we see and hear something specifically from the "director's" chosen viewpoint. Chris Woolf ________________________________ [Avast logo] This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From waresound at msn.com Sat Apr 25 10:20:35 2020 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2020 15:20:35 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Dublin Message-ID: Flights into and out of Gatwick are so few and far between currently, that when I do hear an aircraft I impulsively reach for Flightradar24 on my iPad. Almost all that we see are Ryanair from Dublin. Either it?s still a sneaky back door into the UK, or we?re getting through an awful lot of Guinness. Can?t help wondering which! Nick. Sent from my iPad mini 5 From pat.heigham at amps.net Sat Apr 25 10:41:25 2020 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2020 16:41:25 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Dublin In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5ea45a26.1c69fb81.ea278.f309@mx.google.com> The Guinness that you drink in Eire, is so different to that in the UJK Personal experience. Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Nick Ware via Tech1 Sent: 25 April 2020 16:20 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: [Tech1] Dublin Flights into and out of Gatwick are so few and far between currently, that when I do hear an aircraft I impulsively reach for Flightradar24 on my iPad. Almost all that we see are Ryanair from Dublin. Either it?s still a sneaky back door into the UK, or we?re getting through an awful lot of Guinness. Can?t help wondering which! Nick. Sent from my iPad mini 5 -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From paul at pgtmedia.co.uk Sat Apr 25 10:55:19 2020 From: paul at pgtmedia.co.uk (paul at pgtmedia.co.uk) Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2020 16:55:19 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Dublin In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <003901d61b19$ebd893a0$c389bae0$@pgtmedia.co.uk> They take off go round the block and land. If they leave the planes on the ground for the duration, they need to be re certified, cheaper to have a pointless flight every few days (Especially with the fuel prices as they are at the moment!) -----Original Message----- From: Tech1 On Behalf Of Nick Ware via Tech1 Sent: 25 April 2020 16:21 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: [Tech1] Dublin Flights into and out of Gatwick are so few and far between currently, that when I do hear an aircraft I impulsively reach for Flightradar24 on my iPad. Almost all that we see are Ryanair from Dublin. Either it?s still a sneaky back door into the UK, or we?re getting through an awful lot of Guinness. Can?t help wondering which! Nick. Sent from my iPad mini 5 -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From waresound at msn.com Sat Apr 25 11:35:09 2020 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2020 16:35:09 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Dublin In-Reply-To: <003901d61b19$ebd893a0$c389bae0$@pgtmedia.co.uk> References: <003901d61b19$ebd893a0$c389bae0$@pgtmedia.co.uk> Message-ID: That?s correct. We just watched one do exactly that. About ten minutes in the air, back over Horsham, and land 08R. But we do see a surprising number doing the Dublin-LGW and LGW-Dublin run. Fortunately, not near enough to us to be a noise nuisance, even in these quiet times. Cheers, Nick. Sent from my iPad mini 5 > On 25 Apr 2020, at 16:55, "paul at pgtmedia.co.uk" wrote: > > ?They take off go round the block and land. If they leave the planes on the ground for the duration, they need to be re certified, cheaper to have a pointless flight every few days (Especially with the fuel prices as they are at the moment!) > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tech1 On Behalf Of Nick Ware via Tech1 > Sent: 25 April 2020 16:21 > To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > Subject: [Tech1] Dublin > > Flights into and out of Gatwick are so few and far between currently, that when I do hear an aircraft I impulsively reach for Flightradar24 on my iPad. Almost all that we see are Ryanair from Dublin. Either it?s still a sneaky back door into the UK, or we?re getting through an awful lot of Guinness. Can?t help wondering which! > Nick. > > Sent from my iPad mini 5 > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk Sat Apr 25 11:38:35 2020 From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf) Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2020 17:38:35 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Walk picture - 3D In-Reply-To: References: <5ea3fbb8.1c69fb81.5695.9105@mx.google.com> <5F3C431E-800D-4BD2-B16D-BEA1F0E8DB09@me.com> <5caddce7-c58b-93f3-7b66-b631f52546c4@chriswoolf.co.uk> <5ea43abc.1c69fb81.ba409.cbca@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <72b5d382-fe92-aeca-99c3-98b913af8646@chriswoolf.co.uk> Yes, that is very awkward. I was in a small audience for a very well known poet who was reciting a 30 minute piece from memory. After the event she took me aside and said she was sorry I'd found it boring. Boring? why on earth would you think that, I asked? Because you were looking down and I assumed you were texting for the whole thing... Ha! No! Not a bit of it. It's just that a life-time of training makes me always avoid an eyeline. Chris Woolf On 25/04/2020 15:18, Bill Jenkin via Tech1 wrote: > ..... I found myself directly in the actor's eyelines which was > something we had tried to avoid for years working on dramas in the > studio. So I found myself desperately trying not to look at them for > fear of "I'm sorry, there's someone in my eyeline". > > > On Sat, 25 Apr 2020, 14:27 patheigham via Tech1, > wrote: > > I would agree with Chris. I like the proscenium arch, dislike > theatre in the round. > > I get unnerved when actors leave the stage and advance into the > auditorium. > > They are invading my space, I?ve come to watch them, not to be > part of the show. > > Don?t think it would go down too well if I climbed onto their stage? > > Pat > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Waresound at msn.com Sat Apr 25 11:38:03 2020 From: Waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2020 16:38:03 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Dublin In-Reply-To: <5ea45a26.1c69fb81.ea278.f309@mx.google.com> References: , <5ea45a26.1c69fb81.ea278.f309@mx.google.com> Message-ID: It?s reputed to be the Liffey water. Where in the UJK are you, Pat? N. Sent from my iPad mini 5 On 25 Apr 2020, at 16:41, patheigham wrote: ? The Guinness that you drink in Eire, is so different to that in the UJK Personal experience. Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Nick Ware via Tech1 Sent: 25 April 2020 16:20 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: [Tech1] Dublin Flights into and out of Gatwick are so few and far between currently, that when I do hear an aircraft I impulsively reach for Flightradar24 on my iPad. Almost all that we see are Ryanair from Dublin. Either it?s still a sneaky back door into the UK, or we?re getting through an awful lot of Guinness. Can?t help wondering which! Nick. Sent from my iPad mini 5 -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk ________________________________ [Avast logo] This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk Sat Apr 25 11:46:42 2020 From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf) Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2020 17:46:42 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Dublin In-Reply-To: References: <003901d61b19$ebd893a0$c389bae0$@pgtmedia.co.uk> Message-ID: Other possible reasons - no evidence produced... Have all airports agreed to suspend the 80% slot usage ruels? Are some of these flights to keep a base of pilots with logged hours to prevent the need for re-validation flights when things ease up? Chris On 25/04/2020 17:35, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: > That?s correct. We just watched one do exactly that. About ten minutes in the air, back over Horsham, and land 08R. But we do see a surprising number doing the Dublin-LGW and LGW-Dublin run. Fortunately, not near enough to us to be a noise nuisance, even in these quiet times. > Cheers, > Nick. > Sent from my iPad mini 5 > >> On 25 Apr 2020, at 16:55, "paul at pgtmedia.co.uk" wrote: >> >> ?They take off go round the block and land. If they leave the planes on the ground for the duration, they need to be re certified, cheaper to have a pointless flight every few days (Especially with the fuel prices as they are at the moment!) >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Tech1 On Behalf Of Nick Ware via Tech1 >> Sent: 25 April 2020 16:21 >> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> Subject: [Tech1] Dublin >> >> Flights into and out of Gatwick are so few and far between currently, that when I do hear an aircraft I impulsively reach for Flightradar24 on my iPad. Almost all that we see are Ryanair from Dublin. Either it?s still a sneaky back door into the UK, or we?re getting through an awful lot of Guinness. Can?t help wondering which! >> Nick. >> >> Sent from my iPad mini 5 >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> From mibridge at mac.com Sat Apr 25 12:06:33 2020 From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles) Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2020 18:06:33 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Eyes In-Reply-To: <5ea41c85.1c69fb81.75194.1f32@mx.google.com> References: <8FA026CC7E4B48C2B96F78A6E9FB24FD@MEDDIES2012> <6294E584-AC09-478E-AD19-BA054F51B5F9@mac.com> <5ea41c85.1c69fb81.75194.1f32@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <79B7CA15-6822-4D2E-AF12-3A80188F88F8@mac.com> Yes, Dave, I agree that besides the stereoscopic effect, everything did seem to be enlarged. I often use subtitles on the TV after my wife has gone to bed, as there is so much mumbled speech nowadays that it needs to be reasonably loud to catch all the asides, and very often the text appears to be in a different plane from the picture ~ almost as if they are on a separate screen very slightly in front of the TV. Mike G > On 25 Apr 2020, at 12:18, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > > Do you have to be ?cross-eyed? to do a cross-fade? > > > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > From: dave.mdv via Tech1 > Sent: 25 April 2020 11:37 > To: Mike Giles ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > Subject: Re: [Tech1] Eyes > > I also experienced a similar effect looking at the sound desk in my scanner but the images seem to be enlarged, when I brought the eyes back together it all went further away! Looking at my monitor now I can 'split' my eyes and see two images about 2" apart e.g. 'before lunch as well before lunch as well'. Cheers, Dave. PS. It happened before lunch as well! > > > > > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Sat Apr 25 12:20:10 2020 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2020 18:20:10 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Eyes In-Reply-To: <79B7CA15-6822-4D2E-AF12-3A80188F88F8@mac.com> References: <8FA026CC7E4B48C2B96F78A6E9FB24FD@MEDDIES2012> <6294E584-AC09-478E-AD19-BA054F51B5F9@mac.com> <5ea41c85.1c69fb81.75194.1f32@mx.google.com> <79B7CA15-6822-4D2E-AF12-3A80188F88F8@mac.com> Message-ID: <57606f6e-4423-1b17-0359-9950d934141c@btinternet.com> Funny that, I once saw some red text on my monitor and it was definitely on a different plane to the picture! Cheers, Dave On 25/04/2020 18:06, Mike Giles wrote: > Yes, Dave, I agree that besides the stereoscopic effect, everything > did seem to be enlarged. I often use subtitles on the TV after my wife > has gone to bed, as there is so much mumbled speech nowadays that it > needs to be reasonably loud to catch all the asides, and very often > the text appears to be in a different plane from the picture ~ almost > as if they are on a separate screen?very slightly?in front of the TV. > > Mike G > >> On 25 Apr 2020, at 12:18, patheigham via Tech1 > > wrote: >> >> Do you have to be ?cross-eyed? to do a cross-fade? >> Sent fromMail for >> Windows 10 >> *From:*dave.mdv via Tech1 >> *Sent:*25 April 2020 11:37 >> *To:*Mike Giles ;tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> >> *Subject:*Re: [Tech1] Eyes >> >> I also experienced a similar effect looking at the sound desk in my >> scanner but the images seem to be enlarged, when I brought the eyes >> back together it all went further away! Looking at my monitor now I >> can 'split' my eyes and see two images about 2" apart e.g.? 'before >> lunch as well before lunch as well'. Cheers, Dave. PS. It happened >> before lunch as well! >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Avast logo >> >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >> www.avast.com >> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mail at terrymeadowcroft.co.uk Sat Apr 25 12:31:19 2020 From: mail at terrymeadowcroft.co.uk (terrymeadowcroft) Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2020 18:31:19 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Walk picture - 3D References: <8FA026CC7E4B48C2B96F78A6E9FB24FD@MEDDIES2012> <6294E584-AC09-478E-AD19-BA054F51B5F9@mac.com> Message-ID: <867FE5F00F9C4369AF13601E82BC3DF4@MEDDIES2012> Hi Mike, I often do it just for fun - railings, for example, can easily become locked wrongly and I quite enjoy the feeling. I think all the viewing, cross-eyed, and with the pictures the 'wrong way round (left eye sees right picture and vice-versa) trained my eyes to cross quite easily and in full control of me. Maybe it was an easy trick to learn when a young whippersnapper but difficult when older when the eyes' control is already firmly taught. Interesting thing when watching 3D football, the delay of the ball's image scooting left to right makes the ball appear to arc away from the viewer, and vice-versa when the ball is going right to left. 3D is never perfect on a TV system which involves image delays, but the 3D experience for me makes it worth the putting up with the oddities, and long experience makes it easier to ignore an arcing football, and, through experience, the good old brain learns to deal with the arc. Terry ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike Giles To: terrymeadowcroft Cc: Alec Bray ; Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2020 8:25 AM Subject: Re: [Tech1] Walk picture - 3D Sitting at a sound desk doing sport at TVC which often involved quite long spells on the same source, I quite often found that my eyes had ?relaxed? so that each eye had locked on to adjacent channels, rather than both being locked into the same channel as normal, which produced a remarkable 3D effect. The first time it happened to me I wondered what on earth I was seeing until I put a finger our to tweak something, at which point I saw a double finger and realised what happened. Thereafter I could do it more or less at will, much the same as the published books of pages of seemingly mere patterns, which reveal hidden animals, vehicles, whales, etc., when you get your eyes ?unlocked?. Some people seem quite unable to do it. Mike G On 25 Apr 2020, at 01:25, terrymeadowcroft via Tech1 wrote: ? Hi Alec, Hey, 3D viewing by crossing the eyes! I thought I was the only one daft enough - but it works; I can still do it! I've been cheating at 'spot the difference' games for years - it's great to see all the differences 'flashing' at you! As a Sound Recordist by trade, (BBC for 12 years then YTV for 20 then freelance for another 12), I've been sticking personal mics in my ears to record my diaries in binaural 'surround' since I 'discovered' the technique a long time ago, and was amazed by the involvement it produces! In 2003 I was recordist on a documentary series 'O'Shea's Big Adventure' (Ch.4 and Animal Planet) in stereo, and they then specified dolby surround for the rest of the series. So I designed and put together a 'mid-side-mid' surround microphone-array-on-a-pole. The array fitted (just) inside a Rycote windshield, using Sennheiser MKH406 (forward cardioid), MKH405 (rearward cardioid) and MKH30 (side Fig-of-8) mics. No room for two 406s end to end, so the older, shorter, 405 chose itself. All great mics.. My chosen recording machine was a Deva 4, digital 4-chanel mixer/recorder, recording onto its internal 3.5" removeable hard disk drive - the only 4-channel recorder I could find for over-the shoulder docos. at that time! A mono (SQN4) mixer shared the bag with this, and did a mono active (and how!) pre-mix of the 3 talents' personal mics. This mix went to recorder channel 1; the surround mic array on a pole went to channels 2, 3, and 4 (levels pre-set). It was quite a bagfull, along with 3 UHF radio mic receivers and two VHF radio mic transmitters (backup sound to the camera); and when I say that the Cameraman was tall with very long legs, and I am not blessed with either of those features, you can imagine.........it was fun! But the wonderful surround result rewarded the effort. I really appreciate being born with 2 ears and 2 eyes, and living in a stereo 3D world, and ending up with a great big 4k 3D telly, (and of course a great surround system!) I've never considered stereo 3D a gimmick, as, sadly, many do. We live our lives in stereo 3D. Seems such a pity to waste the second eye and ear :-) !! Terry Enjoy the 3D tree walks! ----- Original Message ----- From: Alec Bray To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk ; mail at terrymeadowcroft.co.uk Sent: Friday, April 24, 2020 5:13 PM Subject: Re: [Tech1] Walk picture - 3D Hi Terry - and everyone, On 24/04/2020 13:10, terrymeadowcroft via Tech1 wrote: 'Widen your eyes' can't be did Thanks Terry, for your email and explanations! I'm afraid my terminology was a bit loose!. If you have ever looked at stereograms, the instructions tell you to "relax" your eyes. It's basically the same with the 3-D picture with no aids - you sort of focus your eyes differently. I am not the best person to sort out any problems with the 3-D effect:: when I was at College, I taught myself to see 3-D image pairs without a viewer: Nowadays, if there is, for example, a "spot the difference" puzzle with two images printed nearly side by side and of a suitable size, I can see the two images - one with each eye - and merge them into one - the differences then "shimmer" as the L&R images seem to switch in and out (I was going to say "vibrate" as that is what it more feels like.) I, too, have prisms as part of my vision prescription. It's fun going to the opticians, as the red spots wander all over the place ... Might be able to design a simple viewer for everyone to make if you all like the idea of more 3-D walk pictures from us all. -- Best Regards Alec Alec Bray alec.bray.2 at gmail.com mob: 07789 561 346 home: 0118 981 7502-- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Terry ----- Original Message ----- From: patheigham via Tech1 To: Alan Taylor ; Tech-Ops-chit-chat Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2020 9:58 AM Subject: Re: [Tech1] Walk picture - 3D Hi Alan, The fact that we perceive stereoscopic vision only in the horizontal plane must be because our eyes are side by side (horizontally). To perceive vertically, would we need two further eyeballs, one above the other? Or would tilting one?s head sideways do the trick? (I visualise a Dr. Who creature with four eyes!). I brought in my stereo viewer to show the crew some examples. Peter Wineman (Sound Supervisor) remarked that it wouldn?t work for him, as he only had one eye! We never knew! Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Alan Taylor via Tech1 Sent: 25 April 2020 08:32 To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat Subject: Re: [Tech1] Walk picture - 3D I've never been comfortable with stereoscopic photography being referred to as 3D and it was especially so with the 3D television service. The fundamental problem for me is that the depth illusion is only there in the side to side plane and there is nothing in the vertical plane. I worked on quite a lot of 3D TV shows and observed the pictures in all sorts of circumstance, but was never happy with what I saw. If you move your head from side to side, you can peep round objects to a certain extent, but if you move your head up and down, there is no way you can peep over or under what is shown. "Stereoscopic" is the correct term when two images are used to create a depth illusion, but it's not 3D. The most you can reasonably hope to call it might be 2.5D, but not 3D. 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Imagine the fun I had with him when I suggested using originating 'Jimmy's' in MS to avoid the center voice waving about from left to right when the two tracks dropped out independently. Recorded in MS, the independent two channel dropout was totally un-noticeable when the MS rushes were converted back to left-right! That was the nice thing about recording in MS; when converted back to L-R, both L R channels would always have suffered quality distortions equally. No positional wavering about! Terry ----- Original Message ----- From: patheigham To: terrymeadowcroft Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2020 10:17 AM Subject: RE: [Tech1] Walk picture - 3D Hi Terry, As a freelance recordist, I worked for most of the channels, mostly because Tom Hawkins ? Film Ops manager ? seemed to have a chequered career, and was constantly moving from one production company to another. I?m sure you must have known him at YTV ? more stories, later! However, I had one job for YTV, which I now regard as a total disaster. Booked by a cameraman I knew from Thames, it was a doco following three polo playing sisters ?The Three Graces?. Cameraman told me that stereo had been asked for. I spoke to the editors at YTV, to ascertain delivery format and they were adamant that A/B stereo was wanted. I should have ignored that and done it M-S, as one sequence was shot at Smith?s Lawn, Windsor, right under the Heathrow flight path. With discontinuous I/V shooting, it was obvious that the background would not cut together. I never heard anything directly from YTV, but the cameraman never used me again. Keep in touch. Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: terrymeadowcroft via Tech1 Sent: 25 April 2020 01:25 To: Alec Bray Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Walk picture - 3D As a Sound Recordist by trade, (BBC for 12 years then YTV for 20 then freelance for another 12), I've been sticking personal mics in my ears to record my diaries in binaural 'surround' since I 'discovered' the technique a long time ago, and was amazed by the involvement it produces! So I designed and put together a 'mid-side-mid' surround microphone-array-on-a-pole. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rogerbunce at btinternet.com Sat Apr 25 14:48:52 2020 From: rogerbunce at btinternet.com (ROGER BUNCE) Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2020 19:48:52 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Tech1] Eyes In-Reply-To: <79B7CA15-6822-4D2E-AF12-3A80188F88F8@mac.com> References: <8FA026CC7E4B48C2B96F78A6E9FB24FD@MEDDIES2012> <6294E584-AC09-478E-AD19-BA054F51B5F9@mac.com> <5ea41c85.1c69fb81.75194.1f32@mx.google.com> <79B7CA15-6822-4D2E-AF12-3A80188F88F8@mac.com> Message-ID: <1610528956.500853.1587844132262@mail.yahoo.com> When we put up some new wallpaper in our living room, it seemed to do nasty things to our eyes. The problem was that it was a small dot pattern, and the spacing between the dots was roughly the spacing between your eyes. So, your eyes could find themselves looking at different dots, while your brain assumed they were looking at the same dot. This was fine, until you looked away, when you got an unpleasant sensation of your eyes being sucked out of your head! Now that the wall paper is no longer new, and we no longer bother to look at it, the problem has gone away. The enlargement effect - I think I can see a logic there - triangulation. If your eyes are looking nearly parallel, then your brain might naturally assume that you are looking at something far away. If your eyes are more convergent, then it might assume that you are looking at something close. So, if the image believed to be far away, appears to be the same size as the image assumed to be close, then your brain might explain this to itself by assuming that the far away object is larger. (Does that make any sense? I know what I mean even if I haven't explained it very well!) luv, Rog. On Saturday, 25 April 2020, 18:07:07 BST, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: Yes, Dave, I agree that besides the stereoscopic effect, everything did seem to be enlarged. I often use subtitles on the TV after my wife has gone to bed, as there is so much mumbled speech nowadays that it needs to be reasonably loud to catch all the asides, and very often the text appears to be in a different plane from the picture ~ almost as if they are on a separate screen?very slightly?in front of the TV. Mike G On 25 Apr 2020, at 12:18, patheigham via Tech1 wrote:? Do you have to be ?cross-eyed? to do a cross-fade? ? ? ?Sent from?Mail?for Windows 10 ?From:?dave.mdv via Tech1 Sent:?25 April 2020 11:37 To:?Mike Giles;?tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject:?Re: [Tech1] Eyes ? I also experienced a similar effect looking at the sound desk in my scanner but the images seem to be enlarged, when I brought the eyes back together it all went further away! Looking at my monitor now I can 'split' my eyes and see two images about 2" apart e.g.? 'before lunch as well before lunch as well'. Cheers, Dave. PS. It happened before lunch as well! ? | | This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.? www.avast.com | --? Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tuckergarth at me.com Sat Apr 25 15:02:48 2020 From: tuckergarth at me.com (Garth Tucker) Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2020 21:02:48 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Theatres Message-ID: <2B7B98DA-5D76-4182-B485-285E89E263D4@me.com> Can?t believe so many views concerning theatres are so antiquated. Garth From techtone at protonmail.com Sat Apr 25 15:44:10 2020 From: techtone at protonmail.com (techtone) Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2020 20:44:10 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Face painting....... Message-ID: <9CA_pa1tJ0x_y14-DBsHSUAbda1iHUW8yuSB_7zEr6gyiGe-_I9GKDI0M0HR6irixUoL3X0oy49t_L7mhetEvS0dKJE_gYO1LLLtP4IQz0w=@protonmail.com> ...........but not for beginners. I've never heard of this woman before, but her images are stunning. Again, sent by my sister-in-law in Canada: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3pDx1GdbMRs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ThqreopwN7E TeaTeaFN - Tony Sent with [ProtonMail](https://protonmail.com) Secure Email. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alanaudio at me.com Sat Apr 25 15:49:04 2020 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2020 21:49:04 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Walk picture - 3D In-Reply-To: <0541E8046331485186E1443E1FB0EB2E@MEDDIES2012> References: <0541E8046331485186E1443E1FB0EB2E@MEDDIES2012> Message-ID: <930D471B-75B1-43F8-A888-F9E512F6DAAB@me.com> I did a drama in M-S stereo at a time when the VT editing suites were just starting to handle stereo on a daily basis. I and other sound supervisors discovered that random sections of tracks were being presented out of phase on the multi track tapes used in SYPHER. It later transpired that some tie lines in the VT suites were accidentally wired out of phase and if the patching at that part of the edit used those tie lines, you got an out of phase track, sometimes just for one shot and other times for longer periods. Because I was using M-S, an out of phase track meant that the stereo image would be inverted. For most of the time, the actor was in the centre of the shot with clean pickup, meaning that the noises off were minimal and therefore there was no significant stereo information. The stereo image could be reversed without even being noticed in some cases and I?m sure that some phase reversed tracks must have gone unnoticed on my dub. On those occasions when there was more stereo information, it needed to have the phase corrected during the dub. People in other SYPHER suites at the same time were dubbing stereo dramas which had been recorded in L-R stereo and they were encountering severe problems because the out of phase track made the stereo image go super wide in a very alarming way. They most definitely had to spend time correcting every instance of a phase error. It was a great relief to all when the problem was identified and the tie lines checked and corrected. Occasionally on location I would use a radio boom if cabling might be tricky. The stereo imaging via two radio mics was much more stable when using M-S microphones than when using L-R mics. I suspected that the problem might have been slightly different time constants on the audio compression for the two radio microphones because transients sometimes sounded funny in stereo when L-R microphones were recorded via radio mics. M-S microphones seemed to work as normal. Alan Taylor >> On 25 Apr 2020, at 19:04, terrymeadowcroft via Tech1 wrote: > ? > Hi Pat, > > I am sorry to say that the Head of The Film Sound department at YTV was a taxi-driver who joined YTV through the post-boy route as so many YTV technical staff did. Nice guy,short of training. > > He didn't understand stereo, and dragged me into the canteen and gave me a great rattling for recording sound in stereo, saying that if I presented him with stereo sound , the first thing he would do was to 'knock it down to mono'. > > Imagine the fun I had with him when I suggested using originating 'Jimmy's' in MS to avoid the center voice waving about from left to right when the two tracks dropped out independently. Recorded in MS, the independent two channel dropout was totally un-noticeable when the MS rushes were converted back to left-right! > > That was the nice thing about recording in MS; when converted back to L-R, both L R channels would always have suffered quality distortions equally. No positional wavering about! > > Terry > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: patheigham > To: terrymeadowcroft > Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2020 10:17 AM > Subject: RE: [Tech1] Walk picture - 3D > > Hi Terry, > As a freelance recordist, I worked for most of the channels, mostly because Tom Hawkins ? Film Ops manager ? seemed to have a chequered career, and was constantly moving from one production company to another. I?m sure you must have known him at YTV ? more stories, later! > However, I had one job for YTV, which I now regard as a total disaster. > Booked by a cameraman I knew from Thames, it was a doco following three polo playing sisters ?The Three Graces?. Cameraman told me that stereo had been asked for. I spoke to the editors at YTV, to ascertain delivery format and they were adamant that A/B stereo was wanted. > I should have ignored that and done it M-S, as one sequence was shot at Smith?s Lawn, Windsor, right under the Heathrow flight path. With discontinuous I/V shooting, it was obvious that the background would not cut together. I never heard anything directly from YTV, but the cameraman never used me again. > Keep in touch. > Pat > > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > From: terrymeadowcroft via Tech1 > Sent: 25 April 2020 01:25 > To: Alec Bray > Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > Subject: Re: [Tech1] Walk picture - 3D > > As a Sound Recordist by trade, (BBC for 12 years then YTV for 20 then freelance for another 12), I've been sticking personal mics in my ears to record my diaries in binaural 'surround' since I 'discovered' the technique a long time ago, and was amazed by the involvement it produces! > > So I designed and put together a 'mid-side-mid' surround microphone-array-on-a-pole. > > > > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: Screenshot_20200425-143254.png Type: image/png Size: 512925 bytes Desc: not available URL: From geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com Sat Apr 25 18:15:30 2020 From: geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com (Geoffrey Hawkes) Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2020 00:15:30 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Eyes In-Reply-To: <1610528956.500853.1587844132262@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1610528956.500853.1587844132262@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CC6DEFE-06AC-4030-B110-EC1AE9FD93E7@gmail.com> When the so called ?Magic Eye? 3D pictures first appeared back in the eighties(?) there was a large poster in a shop window with a notice saying ?Can you see the dinosaur?? I looked and could see nothing other than the mishmash of small coloured shapes and dismissed it as a hoax. Some time later when the craze still hadn?t gone away I bought a book of such images and read the notes on how to view them in 3D. It took me a while but when I got the knack of how to do it, I was amazed at seeing the hidden 3D pictures. For some of them you need to let your eyes focus forward, ie to converge and others you need to focus back as though you were looking through the picture at a distant object, ie to let your eyes diverge. I?m still puzzled as to how the images are produced to make them work. Now when I see anything with a repeating pattern on a table cloth or something like that, I amuse myself like Roger with his wallpaper by staring at it dreamily and can sometimes see parts of it apparently floating above the other. I tried the same with Bernie?s picture of the beehives but only with partial success as the images were side by side and weren?t meant to be viewed with the naked eye. It?s all fascinating stuff and another example of how our brains interpret what we see. Back in the fifties I remember hearing about an experiment where the participants wore goggles which vertically inverted what they saw and how after a while their brains corrected it so they saw things the right way up again. Amazing or what? Geoff Geoff > On 25 Apr 2020, at 20:50, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 wrote: > > ? > When we put up some new wallpaper in our living room, it seemed to do nasty things to our eyes. The problem was that it was a small dot pattern, and the spacing between the dots was roughly the spacing between your eyes. So, your eyes could find themselves looking at different dots, while your brain assumed they were looking at the same dot. This was fine, until you looked away, when you got an unpleasant sensation of your eyes being sucked out of your head! Now that the wall paper is no longer new, and we no longer bother to look at it, the problem has gone away. > > The enlargement effect - I think I can see a logic there - triangulation. If your eyes are looking nearly parallel, then your brain might naturally assume that you are looking at something far away. If your eyes are more convergent, then it might assume that you are looking at something close. So, if the image believed to be far away, appears to be the same size as the image assumed to be close, then your brain might explain this to itself by assuming that the far away object is larger. (Does that make any sense? I know what I mean even if I haven't explained it very well!) > > luv, Rog. > >> On Saturday, 25 April 2020, 18:07:07 BST, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: >> >> >> Yes, Dave, I agree that besides the stereoscopic effect, everything did seem to be enlarged. I often use subtitles on the TV after my wife has gone to bed, as there is so much mumbled speech nowadays that it needs to be reasonably loud to catch all the asides, and very often the text appears to be in a different plane from the picture ~ almost as if they are on a separate screen very slightly in front of the TV. >> >> Mike G >> >> On 25 Apr 2020, at 12:18, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: >> >> Do you have to be ?cross-eyed? to do a cross-fade? >> >> >> >> Sent from Mail for Windows 10 >> >> From: dave.mdv via Tech1 >> Sent: 25 April 2020 11:37 >> To: Mike Giles; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Eyes >> >> I also experienced a similar effect looking at the sound desk in my scanner but the images seem to be enlarged, when I brought the eyes back together it all went further away! Looking at my monitor now I can 'split' my eyes and see two images about 2" apart e.g. 'before lunch as well before lunch as well'. Cheers, Dave. PS. 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URL: From graeme.wall at icloud.com Sun Apr 26 02:10:31 2020 From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall) Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2020 08:10:31 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Eyes In-Reply-To: <8CC6DEFE-06AC-4030-B110-EC1AE9FD93E7@gmail.com> References: <1610528956.500853.1587844132262@mail.yahoo.com> <8CC6DEFE-06AC-4030-B110-EC1AE9FD93E7@gmail.com> Message-ID: Simple optics sas we normally see things upside dpwn and the brain learns to correct at a young age. ? Graeme Wall > On 26 Apr 2020, at 00:15, Geoffrey Hawkes via Tech1 wrote: > > When the so called ?Magic Eye? 3D pictures first appeared back in the eighties(?) there was a large poster in a shop window with a notice saying ?Can you see the dinosaur?? I looked and could see nothing other than the mishmash of small coloured shapes and dismissed it as a hoax. Some time later when the craze still hadn?t gone away I bought a book of such images and read the notes on how to view them in 3D. It took me a while but when I got the knack of how to do it, I was amazed at seeing the hidden 3D pictures. For some of them you need to let your eyes focus forward, ie to converge and others you need to focus back as though you were looking through the picture at a distant object, ie to let your eyes diverge. I?m still puzzled as to how the images are produced to make them work. > Now when I see anything with a repeating pattern on a table cloth or something like that, I amuse myself like Roger with his wallpaper by staring at it dreamily and can sometimes see parts of it apparently floating above the other. > I tried the same with Bernie?s picture of the beehives but only with partial success as the images were side by side and weren?t meant to be viewed with the naked eye. > It?s all fascinating stuff and another example of how our brains interpret what we see. Back in the fifties I remember hearing about an experiment where the participants wore goggles which vertically inverted what they saw and how after a while their brains corrected it so they saw things the right way up again. Amazing or what? > Geoff > > > > Geoff >> On 25 Apr 2020, at 20:50, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 wrote: >> >> ? >> When we put up some new wallpaper in our living room, it seemed to do nasty things to our eyes. The problem was that it was a small dot pattern, and the spacing between the dots was roughly the spacing between your eyes. So, your eyes could find themselves looking at different dots, while your brain assumed they were looking at the same dot. This was fine, until you looked away, when you got an unpleasant sensation of your eyes being sucked out of your head! Now that the wall paper is no longer new, and we no longer bother to look at it, the problem has gone away. >> >> The enlargement effect - I think I can see a logic there - triangulation. If your eyes are looking nearly parallel, then your brain might naturally assume that you are looking at something far away. If your eyes are more convergent, then it might assume that you are looking at something close. So, if the image believed to be far away, appears to be the same size as the image assumed to be close, then your brain might explain this to itself by assuming that the far away object is larger. (Does that make any sense? I know what I mean even if I haven't explained it very well!) >> >> luv, Rog. >> >> On Saturday, 25 April 2020, 18:07:07 BST, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: >> >> >> Yes, Dave, I agree that besides the stereoscopic effect, everything did seem to be enlarged. I often use subtitles on the TV after my wife has gone to bed, as there is so much mumbled speech nowadays that it needs to be reasonably loud to catch all the asides, and very often the text appears to be in a different plane from the picture ~ almost as if they are on a separate screen very slightly in front of the TV. >> >> Mike G >> >>> On 25 Apr 2020, at 12:18, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: >>> >>> Do you have to be ?cross-eyed? to do a cross-fade? >>> >>> >>> >>> Sent from Mail for Windows 10 >>> >>> From: dave.mdv via Tech1 >>> Sent: 25 April 2020 11:37 >>> To: Mike Giles; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Eyes >>> >>> I also experienced a similar effect looking at the sound desk in my scanner but the images seem to be enlarged, when I brought the eyes back together it all went further away! Looking at my monitor now I can 'split' my eyes and see two images about 2" apart e.g. 'before lunch as well before lunch as well'. Cheers, Dave. PS. It happened before lunch as well! >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >>> www.avast.com >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From david.plaice at googlemail.com Sun Apr 26 03:01:43 2020 From: david.plaice at googlemail.com (David Plaice) Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2020 09:01:43 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Walk picture - 3D In-Reply-To: <5F3C431E-800D-4BD2-B16D-BEA1F0E8DB09@me.com> References: <5ea3fbb8.1c69fb81.5695.9105@mx.google.com> <5F3C431E-800D-4BD2-B16D-BEA1F0E8DB09@me.com> Message-ID: I've always thought the "series of flat planes" effect of stereoscopic images (starting with View-Master) is because we are looking at flat images a fixed distance away, whereas in real life we're looking at objects at various distances. Our eyes would be focusing and refocusing on these which would give the brain more depth information. Dave On Sat, 25 Apr 2020, 11:12 Alan Taylor via Tech1, wrote: > With ?3D? television images, you can peep round things by moving your head > a little to one side or the other and the image reflects that slight change > of viewpoint in a natural way, but if you were to move your head up or down > by a similar amount, you observe no corresponding change in the vertical > axis. > > When I view stereoscopic images, they look to me rather like a series of > flat planes, much like the way that in an opera house, the impression of > depth is created by having flats hung at different distances from the > proscenium arch. When I view the real world, it?s a true 3D Image with > subtle graduations. Stereoscopic images create an excellent impression of > depth, but they rarely look exactly like the real world to me. I don?t > understand why that is because in each case I?m viewing with exactly the > same number of eyes. > > We?ve only got two ears, but can perceive sound as coming from above or > below, so I think there?s more going on with our perception of vision and > sound than meets the eye ( or the ear ). > > Alan Taylor > > On 25 Apr 2020, at 09:58, patheigham wrote: > > ? > > Hi Alan, > > The fact that we perceive stereoscopic vision only in the horizontal plane > must be because our eyes are side by side (horizontally). To perceive > vertically, would we need two further eyeballs, one above the other? Or > would tilting one?s head sideways do the trick? > > (I visualise a Dr. Who creature with four eyes!). > > > > I brought in my stereo viewer to show the crew some examples. Peter > Wineman (Sound Supervisor) remarked that it wouldn?t work for him, as he > only had one eye! We never knew! > > > > Pat > > Sent from Mail for > Windows 10 > > > > *From: *Alan Taylor via Tech1 > *Sent: *25 April 2020 08:32 > *To: *Tech-Ops-chit-chat > *Subject: *Re: [Tech1] Walk picture - 3D > > > > I've never been comfortable with stereoscopic photography being referred > to as 3D and it was especially so with the 3D television service. > > > > The fundamental problem for me is that the depth illusion is only there in > the side to side plane and there is nothing in the vertical plane. I worked > on quite a lot of 3D TV shows and observed the pictures in all sorts of > circumstance, but was never happy with what I saw. If you move your head > from side to side, you can peep round objects to a certain extent, but if > you move your head up and down, there is no way you can peep over or under > what is shown. "Stereoscopic" is the correct term when two images are used > to create a depth illusion, but it's not 3D. 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URL: From hughsheppard at btinternet.com Sun Apr 26 03:31:40 2020 From: hughsheppard at btinternet.com (Hugh Sheppard) Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2020 09:31:40 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Catching the eyeline In-Reply-To: <72b5d382-fe92-aeca-99c3-98b913af8646@chriswoolf.co.uk> References: <5ea3fbb8.1c69fb81.5695.9105@mx.google.com> <5F3C431E-800D-4BD2-B16D-BEA1F0E8DB09@me.com> <5caddce7-c58b-93f3-7b66-b631f52546c4@chriswoolf.co.uk> <5ea43abc.1c69fb81.ba409.cbca@mx.google.com> <72b5d382-fe92-aeca-99c3-98b913af8646@chriswoolf.co.uk> Message-ID: <5a4090d8-0f7d-4e23-9bdb-6cb30e444579@btinternet.com> With cable-clearing done In days long ago, I stayed on the studio E floor at Lime Grove for Panorama.? Richard Dimbleby was interviewing a very nervous Sir Alec Douglas-Home, the P.M.? Standing n front of the MR boom, I was all too in line behind Dimbleby, so that the P.M.s gaze alighted on me as he spoke on gov't policy or whatever. I was transfixed; to look away seemed so disrespectful that I couldn't do it, so stayed like a rabbit n the headlights. Worse, I tried to look interested ... then nodded in agreement once or twice... it was awful!? After it was over, I moved away and found something to do - but as Sir Alec left he again caught my eye and waved goodbye... Hugh On 25-Apr-20 5:38 PM, Chris Woolf via Tech1 wrote: > > Yes, that is very awkward. > > I was in a small audience for a very well known poet who was reciting > a 30 minute piece from memory. > > After the event she took me aside and said she was sorry I'd found it > boring. > > Boring? why on earth would you think that, I asked? Because you were > looking down and I assumed you were texting for the whole thing... > > Ha! No! Not a bit of it. It's just that a life-time of training makes > me always avoid an eyeline. > > Chris Woolf > > > On 25/04/2020 15:18, Bill Jenkin via Tech1 wrote: >> ..... I found myself directly in the actor's eyelines which was >> something we had tried to avoid for years working on dramas in the >> studio. So I found myself desperately trying not to look at them for >> fear of "I'm sorry, there's someone in my eyeline". >> >> >> On Sat, 25 Apr 2020, 14:27 patheigham via Tech1, >> > wrote: >> >> I would agree with Chris. I like the proscenium arch, dislike >> theatre in the round. >> >> I get unnerved when actors leave the stage and advance into the >> auditorium. >> >> They are invading my space, I?ve come to watch them, not to be >> part of the show. >> >> Don?t think it would go down too well if I climbed onto their stage? >> >> Pat >> >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bernie833 at gmail.com Sun Apr 26 03:55:56 2020 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2020 09:55:56 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Walk picture - 3D In-Reply-To: References: <5ea3fbb8.1c69fb81.5695.9105@mx.google.com> <5F3C431E-800D-4BD2-B16D-BEA1F0E8DB09@me.com> Message-ID: <64ad8128-90ca-21da-a417-7628ea5d7ee5@gmail.com> Looking at the two I've made in the last few days, they don't seem like flat planes to me.? They are just two nearly identical pictures taken on the phone a couple of inches apart. Just like your eyes. It's really simple to do - you just put them next to each other in a combined picture, done in The Gimp, or whatever. Please have a look and let me know if they look like flat planes. Bernie On 26/04/2020 09:01, David Plaice via Tech1 wrote: > I've always thought the "series of flat planes" effect of stereoscopic > images (starting with View-Master) is because we are looking at flat > images a fixed distance away, whereas in real life we're looking at > objects at various distances. Our eyes would be focusing and > refocusing on these which would give the brain more depth information. > > Dave > > On Sat, 25 Apr 2020, 11:12 Alan Taylor via Tech1, > > wrote: > > With ?3D? television images, you can peep round things by moving > your head a little to one side or the other and the image reflects > that slight change of viewpoint in a natural way, but if you were > to move your head up or down by a similar amount, you observe no > corresponding change in the vertical axis. > > When I view stereoscopic images, they look to me rather like a > series of flat planes, much like the way that in an opera house, > the impression of depth is created by having flats hung at > different distances from the proscenium arch. When I view the real > world, it?s a true 3D Image with subtle graduations. Stereoscopic > images create an excellent impression of depth, but they rarely > look exactly like the real world to me.? I don?t understand why > that is because in each case I?m viewing with exactly the same > number of eyes. > > We?ve only got two ears, but can perceive sound as coming from > above or below, so I think there?s more going on with our > perception of vision and sound than meets the eye ( or the ear ). > > Alan Taylor > >> On 25 Apr 2020, at 09:58, patheigham > > wrote: >> >> ? >> >> Hi Alan, >> >> The fact that we perceive stereoscopic vision only in the >> horizontal plane must be because our eyes are side by side >> (horizontally). To perceive vertically, would we need two further >> eyeballs, one above the other? Or would tilting one?s head >> sideways do the trick? >> >> (I visualise a Dr. Who creature with four eyes!). >> >> I brought in my stereo viewer to show the crew some examples. >> Peter Wineman (Sound Supervisor) remarked that it wouldn?t work >> for him, as he only had one eye! We never knew! >> >> Pat >> >> Sent from Mail >> for Windows 10 >> >> *From: *Alan Taylor via Tech1 >> *Sent: *25 April 2020 08:32 >> *To: *Tech-Ops-chit-chat >> *Subject: *Re: [Tech1] Walk picture - 3D >> >> I've never been comfortable with stereoscopic photography being >> referred to as 3D and it was especially so with the 3D television >> service. >> >> The fundamental problem for me is that the depth illusion is only >> there in the side to side plane and there is nothing in the >> vertical plane. I worked on quite a lot of 3D TV shows and >> observed the pictures in all sorts of circumstance, but was never >> happy with what I saw.? If you move your head from side to side, >> you can peep round objects to a certain extent, but if you move >> your head up and down, there is no way you can peep over or under >> what is shown. "Stereoscopic" is the correct term when two images >> are used to create a depth illusion, but it's not 3D.? The most >> you can reasonably hope to call it might be 2.5D, but not 3D. The >> real world is seen in 3D and includes the vertical plane. >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Avast logo >> >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >> www.avast.com >> >> >> <#m_3354803955743338155_DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave at davesound.co.uk Sun Apr 26 05:55:12 2020 From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman) Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2020 11:55:12 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Quiz Message-ID: <586736423adave@davesound.co.uk> Watched the entire thing last night. Enjoyed it. The usual technical oddities shown, though, as always happens when TV looks at itself. Do any of you remember discussing round the coffee table just how 'we' would have fiddled things? -- *It's o.k. to laugh during sex?.?.just don't point! Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From gblockley35 at gmail.com Sun Apr 26 11:31:24 2020 From: gblockley35 at gmail.com (Gordon Blockley) Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2020 17:31:24 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Tech ops Message-ID: <6DB6732B-ABEB-4DDA-9A77-E914A231FC3C@gmail.com> Please note,new email address. Gblockley35 at gmail.com No longer being used: GordonBlockley34 at gmail.com Regards Keep safe. Gordon Blockley Sent from my iPad From paulvictork at uwclub.net Sun Apr 26 14:18:08 2020 From: paulvictork at uwclub.net (paulvictork at uwclub.net) Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2020 19:18:08 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Eyes In-Reply-To: <1610528956.500853.1587844132262@mail.yahoo.com> References: <8FA026CC7E4B48C2B96F78A6E9FB24FD@MEDDIES2012> <6294E584-AC09-478E-AD19-BA054F51B5F9@mac.com> <5ea41c85.1c69fb81.75194.1f32@mx.google.com> <79B7CA15-6822-4D2E-AF12-3A80188F88F8@mac.com> <1610528956.500853.1587844132262@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1587928688.403idv5j4488ckc4@webmail.uwclub.net> Hi Roger Hope you are well Your wall paper problem is?"Very interesting" Very best wishes? Paul On Sat, 25 Apr 2020 19:48:52 +0000 (UTC), ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 wrote: ? ? When we put up some new wallpaper in our living room, it seemed to do nasty things to our eyes. The problem was that it was a small dot pattern, and the spacing between the dots was roughly the spacing between your eyes. So, your eyes could find themselves looking at different dots, while your brain assumed they were looking at the same dot. This was fine, until you looked away, when you got an unpleasant sensation of your eyes being sucked out of your head! Now that the wall paper is no longer new, and we no longer bother to look at it, the problem has gone away. ? The enlargement effect - I think I can see a logic there - triangulation. If your eyes are looking nearly parallel, then your brain might naturally assume that you are looking at something far away. If your eyes are more convergent, then it might assume that you are looking at something close. So, if the image believed to be far away, appears to be the same size as the image assumed to be close, then your brain might explain this to itself by assuming that the far away object is larger. (Does that make any sense? I know what I mean even if I haven't explained it very well!) ? luv, Rog. ? On Saturday, 25 April 2020, 18:07:07 BST, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: ? ? Yes, Dave, I agree that besides the stereoscopic effect, everything did seem to be enlarged. I often use subtitles on the TV after my wife has gone to bed, as there is so much mumbled speech nowadays that it needs to be reasonably loud to catch all the asides, and very often the text appears to be in a different plane from the picture ~ almost as if they are on a separate screen?very slightly?in front of the TV. ? Mike G ? On 25 Apr 2020, at 12:18, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: ? Do you have to be ???cross-eyed??? to do a cross-fade? ? ? ? Sent from?Mail?for Windows 10 ? From:?dave.mdv via Tech1 Sent:?25 April 2020 11:37 To:?Mike Giles;?tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject:?Re: [Tech1] Eyes ? I also experienced a similar effect looking at the sound desk in my scanner but the images seem to be enlarged, when I brought the eyes back together it all went further away! Looking at my monitor now I can 'split' my eyes and see two images about 2" apart e.g.? 'before lunch as well before lunch as well'. Cheers, Dave. PS. It happened before lunch as well! ? ? This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.? www.avast.com --? Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk ? -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Sun Apr 26 15:54:07 2020 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2020 21:54:07 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Face painting....... In-Reply-To: <9CA_pa1tJ0x_y14-DBsHSUAbda1iHUW8yuSB_7zEr6gyiGe-_I9GKDI0M0HR6irixUoL3X0oy49t_L7mhetEvS0dKJE_gYO1LLLtP4IQz0w=@protonmail.com> References: <9CA_pa1tJ0x_y14-DBsHSUAbda1iHUW8yuSB_7zEr6gyiGe-_I9GKDI0M0HR6irixUoL3X0oy49t_L7mhetEvS0dKJE_gYO1LLLtP4IQz0w=@protonmail.com> Message-ID: <69b70d53-4ef6-e3de-965e-46e497503b0f@btinternet.com> Amazing stuff and quite disorientating wondering which eye is the real one! My local watch shop owner has squiffy eyes and I never know which one to look at! Cheers, Dave On 25/04/2020 21:44, techtone via Tech1 wrote: > ...........but not for beginners. I've never heard of this woman > before, but her images are stunning. Again, sent by my sister-in-law > in Canada: > > _https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3pDx1GdbMRs_ > > _https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ThqreopwN7E_ > > TeaTeaFN - Tony > > > Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email. > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Mon Apr 27 09:27:31 2020 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2020 15:27:31 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Face painting....... In-Reply-To: <9CA_pa1tJ0x_y14-DBsHSUAbda1iHUW8yuSB_7zEr6gyiGe-_I9GKDI0M0HR6irixUoL3X0oy49t_L7mhetEvS0dKJE_gYO1LLLtP4IQz0w=@protonmail.com> References: <9CA_pa1tJ0x_y14-DBsHSUAbda1iHUW8yuSB_7zEr6gyiGe-_I9GKDI0M0HR6irixUoL3X0oy49t_L7mhetEvS0dKJE_gYO1LLLtP4IQz0w=@protonmail.com> Message-ID: <5ea6ebd1.1c69fb81.1417e.7c05@mx.google.com> Amazing. What an accomplished artist. Wonder what Picasso might have made of her ? but he died 20 years before she was born. (Think she could have made a better job of ?Phantom of the Opera?? Early make-up call, though!) Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: techtone via Tech1 Sent: 25 April 2020 21:44 To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat Subject: [Tech1] Face painting....... ...........but not for beginners. I've never heard of this woman before, but her images are stunning. Again, sent by my sister-in-law in Canada: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3pDx1GdbMRs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ThqreopwN7E TeaTeaFN - Tony Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email. -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From geoffletch at gmail.com Tue Apr 28 02:44:41 2020 From: geoffletch at gmail.com (Geoff Fletcher) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2020 08:44:41 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Face painting....... In-Reply-To: <5ea6ebd1.1c69fb81.1417e.7c05@mx.google.com> References: <9CA_pa1tJ0x_y14-DBsHSUAbda1iHUW8yuSB_7zEr6gyiGe-_I9GKDI0M0HR6irixUoL3X0oy49t_L7mhetEvS0dKJE_gYO1LLLtP4IQz0w=@protonmail.com> <5ea6ebd1.1c69fb81.1417e.7c05@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Does anyone else remember the barman at the TVC Club who had a severe squint? I never knew if it was me or the guy beside me he was talking to when he came to take our orders at the bar. He once actually said to me, having asked twice, "Its you I'm talking to sorr!" He was a cheerful Irish chap as I recall. Geoff On Mon, 27 Apr 2020 at 15:28, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > Amazing. What an accomplished artist. > > Wonder what Picasso might have made of her ? but he died 20 years before > she was born. > > (Think she could have made a better job of ?Phantom of the Opera?? > > Early make-up call, though!) > > > > Pat > > > > Sent from Mail for > Windows 10 > > > > *From: *techtone via Tech1 > *Sent: *25 April 2020 21:44 > *To: *Tech-Ops-chit-chat > *Subject: *[Tech1] Face painting....... > > > > ...........but not for beginners. I've never heard of this woman before, > but her images are stunning. Again, sent by my sister-in-law in Canada: > > > > *https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3pDx1GdbMRs > * > > > > *https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ThqreopwN7E > * > > > > TeaTeaFN - Tony > > > > > > Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email. > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > [image: Avast logo] > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com > > <#m_1361491297227192967_DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alanaudio at me.com Tue Apr 28 07:59:35 2020 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2020 13:59:35 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Face painting....... References: <1163C91B-0824-4D8D-BAEF-3E8ADF84B22B@me.com> Message-ID: I worked on a drama where one of the actresses was somewhat cross eyed. The director had to keep specifying on talkback whether he was talking about her left eyeline or her right eyeline and the A.D. had to devise subtle ways to get him to clarify if he hadn?t been specific. It was quite a regular feature to get her to look at the A.D.?s hand while the director got him to move it around to get the required eyeline. Alan Taylor > >>> On 28 Apr 2020, at 08:45, Geoff Fletcher via Tech1 wrote: >>> >> ? >> Does anyone else remember the barman at the TVC Club who had a severe squint? I never knew if it was me or the guy beside me he was talking to when he came to take our orders at the bar. He once actually said to me, having asked twice, "Its you I'm talking to sorr!" He was a cheerful Irish chap as I recall. >> Geoff >> >>> On Mon, 27 Apr 2020 at 15:28, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: >>> Amazing. What an accomplished artist. >>> >>> Wonder what Picasso might have made of her ? but he died 20 years before she was born. >>> >>> (Think she could have made a better job of ?Phantom of the Opera?? >>> >>> Early make-up call, though!) >>> >>> >>> >>> Pat >>> >>> >>> >>> Sent from Mail for Windows 10 >>> >>> >>> >>> From: techtone via Tech1 >>> Sent: 25 April 2020 21:44 >>> To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat >>> Subject: [Tech1] Face painting....... >>> >>> >>> >>> ...........but not for beginners. I've never heard of this woman before, but her images are stunning. Again, sent by my sister-in-law in Canada: >>> >>> >>> >>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3pDx1GdbMRs >>> >>> >>> >>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ThqreopwN7E >>> >>> >>> >>> TeaTeaFN - Tony >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >>> www.avast.com >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Tue Apr 28 08:13:36 2020 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2020 14:13:36 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Eyelines Was Face painting....... In-Reply-To: References: <1163C91B-0824-4D8D-BAEF-3E8ADF84B22B@me.com> Message-ID: <5ea82bfe.1c69fb81.4da33.f870@mx.google.com> I may have posted this before... Eyelines etc, Dame Edith Tracking foldback speakers.....I worked on a play and had to look after an LSU10 ? the big blighters and make sure it was in the right place etc. Being busy during rehearsals, I was only on station for the recording. Dame Edith Evans stopped the take, pointed at me with her stick and announced in her quavery ?handbag? voice: ?That man there! He wasn?t there on rehearsal!!? I think she had forgotten her dialogue, and used me as an excuse! Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Alan Taylor via Tech1 Sent: 28 April 2020 13:59 To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat Subject: [Tech1] Face painting....... I worked on a drama where one of the actresses was somewhat cross eyed. ?The director had to keep specifying on talkback whether he was talking about her left eyeline or her right eyeline and the A.D. had to devise subtle ways to get him to clarify if he hadn?t been specific. ?It was quite a regular feature to get her to look at the A.D.?s hand while the director got him to move it around to get the required eyeline. Alan Taylor -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From peter.fox at zero51.force9.co.uk Tue Apr 28 09:02:29 2020 From: peter.fox at zero51.force9.co.uk (Peter Fox) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2020 15:02:29 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Eyes In-Reply-To: <1587928688.403idv5j4488ckc4@webmail.uwclub.net> References: <1587928688.403idv5j4488ckc4@webmail.uwclub.net> Message-ID: <248C17C6-3433-47A8-BA07-12D2F4532E96@zero51.force9.co.uk> Peter Fox > On 26 Apr 2020, at 20:18, paulvictork--- via Tech1 wrote: > > ? > Hi Roger Hope you are well Your wall paper problem is "Very interesting" > Very best wishes Paul > > On Sat, 25 Apr 2020 19:48:52 +0000 (UTC), ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 wrote: > > > When we put up some new wallpaper in our living room, it seemed to do nasty things to our eyes. The problem was that it was a small dot pattern, and the spacing between the dots was roughly the spacing between your eyes. So, your eyes could find themselves looking at different dots, while your brain assumed they were looking at the same dot. This was fine, until you looked away, when you got an unpleasant sensation of your eyes being sucked out of your head! Now that the wall paper is no longer new, and we no longer bother to look at it, the problem has gone away. > > The enlargement effect - I think I can see a logic there - triangulation. If your eyes are looking nearly parallel, then your brain might naturally assume that you are looking at something far away. If your eyes are more convergent, then it might assume that you are looking at something close. So, if the image believed to be far away, appears to be the same size as the image assumed to be close, then your brain might explain this to itself by assuming that the far away object is larger. (Does that make any sense? I know what I mean even if I haven't explained it very well!) > > luv, Rog. > >> On Saturday, 25 April 2020, 18:07:07 BST, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: >> >> >> Yes, Dave, I agree that besides the stereoscopic effect, everything did seem to be enlarged. I often use subtitles on the TV after my wife has gone to bed, as there is so much mumbled speech nowadays that it needs to be reasonably loud to catch all the asides, and very often the text appears to be in a different plane from the picture ~ almost as if they are on a separate screen very slightly in front of the TV. >> >> Mike G >> >> On 25 Apr 2020, at 12:18, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: >> >> Do you have to be ?cross-eyed? to do a cross-fade? >> >> >> >> Sent from Mail for Windows 10 >> >> From: dave.mdv via Tech1 >> Sent: 25 April 2020 11:37 >> To: Mike Giles; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Eyes >> >> I also experienced a similar effect looking at the sound desk in my scanner but the images seem to be enlarged, when I brought the eyes back together it all went further away! Looking at my monitor now I can 'split' my eyes and see two images about 2" apart e.g. 'before lunch as well before lunch as well'. Cheers, Dave. PS. It happened before lunch as well! >> >> >> >> >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >> www.avast.com >> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tuckergarth at me.com Tue Apr 28 09:42:35 2020 From: tuckergarth at me.com (Garth Tucker) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2020 15:42:35 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] King Lear Message-ID: <16EB896E-1413-48AD-BEDB-D1816ACD4AB7@me.com> A friend from Ireland phoned to see how I was coping in the present circumstances. During an enjoyable conversation he got talking of the BBC?s Shakespeare series, variable he thought but with some really excellent productions. He then talked at some length about the King Lear directed by Jonathan Miller which he thought outstanding, Michael Hordern superb as Lear. Talking of the storm scenes in Act 3, with its all its highly contorted emotions and madness, he noted how Miller latched onto a powerful ?4 Shot? consisting of four tightly knotted MCUs, he found it difficult to believe it was able to be held for such a long time. Having had my appetite whetted I sought it out from my collection and was truly spell bound. I, with my prejudices, having thought the camerawork was as good as I had ever come across, could hardly wait to see which Crew was involved. Somewhat to my surprise, but highly delighted, I found it was Ron Green?s Crew. Lighting was John Treays, Sound Derek Miller-Timmins and Vision Mixer John Barclay. What a production, what a team. Does anybody who worked on the show have any recollections of it? From peter.fox at zero51.force9.co.uk Tue Apr 28 10:00:01 2020 From: peter.fox at zero51.force9.co.uk (Peter Fox) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2020 16:00:01 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Eyes In-Reply-To: <248C17C6-3433-47A8-BA07-12D2F4532E96@zero51.force9.co.uk> References: <248C17C6-3433-47A8-BA07-12D2F4532E96@zero51.force9.co.uk> Message-ID: <62AD4F59-1B54-4625-B319-01BF87DD4B83@zero51.force9.co.uk> Referring to Hugh?s PM Douglas-Home story reminded me that Marti Webb, when we were recording the ?Songwriters? musical series, in 1978, in her early TV days before ?Tell me on a Sunday?, said that she couldn?t really cope with the idea of thousands if not millions of people beyond the glassy eye of the camera. She said that to make it work for her she was just singing to the cameraman. We made sure she gots some cheery smiles. Now that made it rather special. Nice to think we were helping her to get started in Telly. She remained on friendly terms for years afterwards. Gerry Tivers arranged for Ron and I and himself of course, to meet up with her after we went to see her in TMOAS in Windsor, probably in 2004, and she still knew exactly who we were . And so, Alec DH was probably also grateful for a human being to relate to rather than the vague concept of a vast invisible audience. That?s why you got the cheery wave, Hugh, you probably saved the day. Peter Fox > On 28 Apr 2020, at 15:02, Peter Fox wrote: > > ? > > Peter Fox > >>> On 26 Apr 2020, at 20:18, paulvictork--- via Tech1 wrote: >>> >> ? >> Hi Roger Hope you are well Your wall paper problem is "Very interesting" >> Very best wishes Paul >> >> On Sat, 25 Apr 2020 19:48:52 +0000 (UTC), ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 wrote: >> >> >> When we put up some new wallpaper in our living room, it seemed to do nasty things to our eyes. The problem was that it was a small dot pattern, and the spacing between the dots was roughly the spacing between your eyes. So, your eyes could find themselves looking at different dots, while your brain assumed they were looking at the same dot. This was fine, until you looked away, when you got an unpleasant sensation of your eyes being sucked out of your head! Now that the wall paper is no longer new, and we no longer bother to look at it, the problem has gone away. >> >> The enlargement effect - I think I can see a logic there - triangulation. If your eyes are looking nearly parallel, then your brain might naturally assume that you are looking at something far away. If your eyes are more convergent, then it might assume that you are looking at something close. So, if the image believed to be far away, appears to be the same size as the image assumed to be close, then your brain might explain this to itself by assuming that the far away object is larger. (Does that make any sense? I know what I mean even if I haven't explained it very well!) >> >> luv, Rog. >> >> On Saturday, 25 April 2020, 18:07:07 BST, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: >> >> >> Yes, Dave, I agree that besides the stereoscopic effect, everything did seem to be enlarged. I often use subtitles on the TV after my wife has gone to bed, as there is so much mumbled speech nowadays that it needs to be reasonably loud to catch all the asides, and very often the text appears to be in a different plane from the picture ~ almost as if they are on a separate screen very slightly in front of the TV. >> >> Mike G >> >>> >>> On 25 Apr 2020, at 12:18, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: >>> >>> Do you have to be ?cross-eyed? to do a cross-fade? >>> >>> >>> >>> Sent from Mail for Windows 10 >>> >>> From: dave.mdv via Tech1 >>> Sent: 25 April 2020 11:37 >>> To: Mike Giles; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Eyes >>> >>> I also experienced a similar effect looking at the sound desk in my scanner but the images seem to be enlarged, when I brought the eyes back together it all went further away! Looking at my monitor now I can 'split' my eyes and see two images about 2" apart e.g. 'before lunch as well before lunch as well'. Cheers, Dave. PS. It happened before lunch as well! >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >>> www.avast.com >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From keithwicksuk at gmail.com Tue Apr 28 10:43:54 2020 From: keithwicksuk at gmail.com (Keith Wicks) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2020 16:43:54 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Stereoscopic pictures Message-ID: It's possible to produce stereo pictures from ordinary video recordings. To do this, the camera must move horizontally between the selected frames. This is especially easy to do with some of the material taken from canal boats, which is currently featured regularly on TV. The first shot below is a full frame picture, part of which I used for the LHS of the stereo pair. The boat from which the picture is taken is moving from left to right. I also selected a second picture, taken a few frames later, for the RHS of the pair. I cropped the two pictures to square format as the smaller images were easier for the unaided eyes and brain to combine to form a stereo view. But it's always much easier using a stereo viewer with magnifying lenses. Long-sighted people may find strong reading spectacles helpful. [image: Lfull.jpg] [image: L+R.png] KW -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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As with many of Jonathans ideas, you set up a picture and let the actor do his stuff. On one of the rostrum scenes, effectively a dress run, I noticed Norman Rodway was still wearing his wrist watch. At the end of the scene I asked him if he knew what the time was. He looked at his watch as you do, told me and then the penny dropped! The main cliff top set was ?wrapped? as in the popular arty theme of the era and hence had wonderfully vague misty and undefined boundaries. When we had all convened to get started after the rig Jonathan appeared, looking around at the set. ?That?s perfect? he said ? Someone pointed out that only the house lights were on. ?Never Mind? said Jonathan ?its just what I wanted? I didn?t envy Treacle (John Treays) talking him out of it, but flat grey and featureless as a theme was nevertheless retained with the proper lights on. I did one shot of actors whirling in a tight circle, (can?t remember why now) with some appropriate tightening and panning and follow focussing. Quite a concentrated effort and John Treays was very complimentary. I think what he was really appreciating was that it wasn?t shot on a fifty degree lens with blue flares at the top. As with everything we did with Jonathan, he generated teamwork. He would provide the theme and would be enthusiastic about all the good things that came out it. Another high spot was Rodway?s eyes being put out that involved squishing grapes. Peter Fox > On 28 Apr 2020, at 15:43, Garth Tucker via Tech1 wrote: > > ?A friend from Ireland phoned to see how I was coping in the present circumstances. During an enjoyable conversation he got talking of the BBC?s Shakespeare series, variable he thought but with some really excellent productions. He then talked at some length about the King Lear directed by Jonathan Miller which he thought outstanding, Michael Hordern superb as Lear. Talking of the storm scenes in Act 3, with its all its highly contorted emotions and madness, he noted how Miller latched onto a powerful ?4 Shot? consisting of four tightly knotted MCUs, he found it difficult to believe it was able to be held for such a long time. Having had my appetite whetted I sought it out from my collection and was truly spell bound. I, with my prejudices, having thought the camerawork was as good as I had ever come across, could hardly wait to see which Crew was involved. Somewhat to my surprise, but highly delighted, I found it was Ron Green?s Crew. Lighting was John Treays, Sound Derek Miller-Timmins and Vision Mixer John Barclay. What a production, what a team. Does anybody who worked on the show have any recollections of it? > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Tue Apr 28 11:28:36 2020 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2020 17:28:36 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Stereoscopic pictures In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Amazing, Keith, just looking at my PC monitor and 'relaxing' my eyes I ended up with three small pictures side by side, the middle one had depth! Cheers, Dave On 28/04/2020 16:43, Keith Wicks via Tech1 wrote: > It's possible to produce stereo pictures from ordinary video > recordings. To do this, the camera must move horizontally between the > selected frames. This is especially easy to do with some of the > material taken from canal boats, which is currently featured regularly > on TV. The first shot below is a full frame picture, part of which I > used for the LHS of the stereo pair. The?boat from which the picture > is taken is moving from left to right. I also selected a second > picture, taken a few frames later, for the RHS of the pair. I cropped > the two pictures to square format as the smaller images were easier > for the unaided eyes and brain to combine to form a stereo view. But > it's always much easier using a stereo viewer with magnifying lenses. > Long-sighted people may find strong reading spectacles helpful. > > Lfull.jpg > > L+R.png > KW > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Lfull.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 118416 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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On a related subject, I've always been a fan of M.C. Escher, who did all those wonderfully deceptive etchings. Alasdair Lawrance Don?t blame me, I voted Remain. > On 28 Apr 2020, at 17:29, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: > > ? > Amazing, Keith, just looking at my PC monitor and 'relaxing' my eyes I ended up with three small pictures side by side, the middle one had depth! Cheers, Dave > > On 28/04/2020 16:43, Keith Wicks via Tech1 wrote: >> It's possible to produce stereo pictures from ordinary video recordings. To do this, the camera must move horizontally between the selected frames. This is especially easy to do with some of the material taken from canal boats, which is currently featured regularly on TV. The first shot below is a full frame picture, part of which I used for the LHS of the stereo pair. The boat from which the picture is taken is moving from left to right. I also selected a second picture, taken a few frames later, for the RHS of the pair. I cropped the two pictures to square format as the smaller images were easier for the unaided eyes and brain to combine to form a stereo view. But it's always much easier using a stereo viewer with magnifying lenses. Long-sighted people may find strong reading spectacles helpful. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> KW >> >> >> >> >> > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rogerbunce at btinternet.com Tue Apr 28 16:25:21 2020 From: rogerbunce at btinternet.com (ROGER BUNCE) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2020 21:25:21 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Tech1] Gothic part 11 References: <1788716870.3535509.1588109121268.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1788716870.3535509.1588109121268@mail.yahoo.com> And here is Chapter Eleven of "Gothic by Gaslight". It's longer than usual, hence the two files, but everso exciting: three killings is one night, and a CLUE! - a very heavily signposted CLUE - but will anyone notice it? luv, Rog. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 11GothicA.pdf Type: application/pdf Size: 125604 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The house lights were on and daylight was streaming in through the open door as I entered on one occasion. After a few moments something went bang inside my head, and I was blinking and my eyes were watering. What had happened, I realised, was I had white-balanced! The pink had disappeared! A very strange feeling for a few moments. Best wishes ..... Vern On Sat, 25 Apr 2020 19:48:52 +0000 (UTC), ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 wrote: ? ? When we put up some new wallpaper in our living room, it seemed to do nasty things to our eyes. The problem was that it was a small dot pattern, and the spacing between the dots was roughly the spacing between your eyes. So, your eyes could find themselves looking at different dots, while your brain assumed they were looking at the same dot. This was fine, until you looked away, when you got an unpleasant sensation of your eyes being sucked out of your head! Now that the wall paper is no longer new, and we no longer bother to look at it, the problem has gone away. ? The enlargement effect - I think I can see a logic there - triangulation. If your eyes are looking nearly parallel, then your brain might naturally assume that you are looking at something far away. If your eyes are more convergent, then it might assume that you are looking at something close. So, if the image believed to be far away, appears to be the same size as the image assumed to be close, then your brain might explain this to itself by assuming that the far away object is larger. (Does that make any sense? I know what I mean even if I haven't explained it very well!) ? luv, Rog. ? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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This does actually work (although I think that the aspect ratios could be adjusted, and, of course, the number of frames between the two images ought to be calculated rather than my relying on a click on the pause button - and all the delays in my system while the interrupt is processed!!) However,? I am not sure if the stereoscopic view really adds anything to the scene!? Yes, it shows "depth" and a "stereo" effect - and it would probably be better if both my eyes focussed correctly! Over to you!! -- Best Regards Alec Alec Bray alec.bray.2 at gmail.com mob: 07789 561 346 home: 0118 981 7502 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I'd never heard of, or seen, that before. > There was some earlier discussion of "above" and "below" on stereoscopic pictures, so I had a go with a drone shot taken on the North Yorkshire Moors Railway (from the doco series on Channel 5). > > > > > > > > This does actually work (although I think that the aspect ratios could be adjusted, and, of course, the number of frames between the two images ought to be calculated rather than my relying on a click on the pause button - and all the delays in my system while the interrupt is processed!!) > > However, I am not sure if the stereoscopic view really adds anything to the scene! Yes, it shows "depth" and a "stereo" effect - and it would probably be better if both my eyes focussed correctly! > > Over to you!! > > > > -- > Best Regards > > Alec > > Alec Bray > > alec.bray.2 at gmail.com > mob: 07789 561 346 > home: 0118 981 7502 > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bernie833 at gmail.com Wed Apr 29 06:35:37 2020 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2020 12:35:37 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Stereoscopic pictures In-Reply-To: <5708ca51-e55f-dcad-b973-863b96405f4a@gmail.com> References: <78AAEF3C-E7F4-45F3-8307-21D95B3470E5@me.com> <5708ca51-e55f-dcad-b973-863b96405f4a@gmail.com> Message-ID: A friend used to run a TV company that, in the brief time 3D TV was fashionable, did quite a lot of it. I put my attempt at a 3D picture on Facebook, and he asked "What was your inter-axial?". "Haven't the faintest!". Much technical work has, of? course, been done on 3D imaging. Some is here - http://3droundabout.com/2011/08/4197/the-basics-of-shooting-stereoscopic-3d-part-1.html Personally I just moved the phone a few cm to the left. Obviously I need the training course. B On 29/04/2020 09:47, Alec Bray via Tech1 wrote: > > Hi all, > > I just have to echo Alasdair's comment: > > On 28/04/2020 18:59, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 wrote: >> That is really remarkable, Keith, I found it really quite easy to >> create the 3d image. ?I'd never heard of, or seen, that before. > > There was some earlier discussion of "above" and "below" on > stereoscopic pictures, so I had a go with a drone shot taken on the > North Yorkshire Moors Railway (from the doco series on Channel 5). > > > > This does actually work (although I think that the aspect ratios could > be adjusted, and, of course, the number of frames between the two > images ought to be calculated rather than my relying on a click on the > pause button - and all the delays in my system while the interrupt is > processed!!) > > However,? I am not sure if the stereoscopic view really adds anything > to the scene!? Yes, it shows "depth" and a "stereo" effect - and it > would probably be better if both my eyes focussed correctly! > > Over to you!! > > > -- > Best Regards > > Alec > > Alec Bray > > alec.bray.2 at gmail.com > mob: 07789 561 346 > home: 0118 981 7502 > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: pggajkkfogfcfmon.png Type: image/png Size: 390729 bytes Desc: not available URL: From nick at nickway.co.uk Wed Apr 29 06:48:35 2020 From: nick at nickway.co.uk (Nick Way) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2020 12:48:35 +0100 (BST) Subject: [Tech1] A Talent For Murder Message-ID: <24421714.244384.1588160915844@email.ionos.co.uk> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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To put it simply, which is all I can do, it means that only the rapidly changing picture detail changes from one frame to the next. If the overall picture hasn?t changed (e.g. the background), there?s no point in sending it again for every frame. In the analogue days data compression wasn?t possible, so like film, every frame had to be complete. You couldn?t open the shutter and expose only the bits that had moved - a big advantage of analogue, you could argue! A huge waste of broadcast bandwidth though, in an age when the bean counters want as many channels as they can cram into the system, regardless of picture quality! Cheers, Nick. Sent from my iPad mini 5 On 29 Apr 2020, at 10:04, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 wrote: ? I can't make that one work, I suspect the images are too far apart in time. I can only get about two-thirds of a coherent image. Alasdair Lawrance Don?t blame me, I voted Remain. On 29 Apr 2020, at 09:47, Alec Bray via Tech1 wrote: ? Hi all, I just have to echo Alasdair's comment: On 28/04/2020 18:59, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 wrote: That is really remarkable, Keith, I found it really quite easy to create the 3d image. I'd never heard of, or seen, that before. There was some earlier discussion of "above" and "below" on stereoscopic pictures, so I had a go with a drone shot taken on the North Yorkshire Moors Railway (from the doco series on Channel 5). This does actually work (although I think that the aspect ratios could be adjusted, and, of course, the number of frames between the two images ought to be calculated rather than my relying on a click on the pause button - and all the delays in my system while the interrupt is processed!!) However, I am not sure if the stereoscopic view really adds anything to the scene! Yes, it shows "depth" and a "stereo" effect - and it would probably be better if both my eyes focussed correctly! Over to you!! -- Best Regards Alec Alec Bray alec.bray.2 at gmail.com mob: 07789 561 346 home: 0118 981 7502 -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com Wed Apr 29 07:04:09 2020 From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2020 13:04:09 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Walk in grounds of The Vyne Message-ID: Hi all Once again we "borrowed" Lucy's dog Chester to go for a walk. Within about 5 to 10 minutes drive there are Morgaston Woods, These are part of "The Vyne", a National Trust property. The Vyne was originally built for Lord Sandys, Henry VIII's Lord Chamberlain. It has been extended and reduced over the years. A bit of Trivia: The Vyne holds an inscribed Roman ring as well as a lead tablet that speaks of a curse on the one who stole it. J. R. R. Tolkien was asked to comment on it as an expert on Anglo-Saxon history, including its connection to a mine fabled to have been dug by dwarves, and a few days after his visit he began writing "Lord of the Rings". Although The Vyne itself is closed due to the pandemic, Morgaston Woods are still open. I tried to make a few "stereoscopic" pictures - not quite as successful as my previous tree (what a fluke that was!) but both of these give a better impression of the bluebells than the flat 2-D pictures.? No science has been involved, just move the phone to the right and hope.? A little bit trickier today, as Chester (on a lead - dogs on leads in these woods) was very keep to explore and was pulling me along a lot of the time. Just made it home before it started to rain ... I hope that these will work for you! 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Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Alec Bray via Tech1 Sent: 29 April 2020 13:04 To: TechOps Forum Subject: [Tech1] Walk in grounds of The Vyne Hi all Once again we "borrowed" Lucy's dog Chester to go for a walk. Within about 5 to 10 minutes drive there are Morgaston Woods, These are part of "The Vyne", a National Trust property. The Vyne was originally built for Lord Sandys, Henry VIII's Lord Chamberlain. It has been extended and reduced over the years. -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Booked front seats in the Royal Circle, as the main wide shot, the best, in the TVT was with the mole backed right up to the centre of the circle. Discovered that it was filmed for a streaming service, the day before I went again, with Bob Foley. Unfortunately the stream is not available outside the US and Canada. Waiting for a DVD ? we need it now, to cheer us up! (C?mon Michael Grade, get your finger out and your wallet open!) -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Alec: I don't think there is much point in doing calculations in such cases. Just experiment with the original movie frames in the recording. The lateral separation between the viewpoints chosen will determine how much the depth effect is exaggerated. I remember, in a discussion on this mailing list, that the separation between TV cameras (at Wimbledon, I think) for certain stereoscopic shots was sometimes many yards. That would be OK in this case as all the objects in the picture are distant. KW On Wed, 29 Apr 2020 at 10:04, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 < tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote: > I can't make that one work, I suspect the images are too far apart in > time. I can only get about two-thirds of a coherent image. > > Alasdair Lawrance > > Don?t blame me, I voted Remain. > > On 29 Apr 2020, at 09:47, Alec Bray via Tech1 > wrote: > > Hi all, > > I just have to echo Alasdair's comment: > On 28/04/2020 18:59, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 wrote: > > That is really remarkable, Keith, I found it really quite easy to create > the 3d image. I'd never heard of, or seen, that before. > > There was some earlier discussion of "above" and "below" on stereoscopic > pictures, so I had a go with a drone shot taken on the North Yorkshire > Moors Railway (from the doco series on Channel 5). > > > > This does actually work (although I think that the aspect ratios could be > adjusted, and, of course, the number of frames between the two images ought > to be calculated rather than my relying on a click on the pause button - > and all the delays in my system while the interrupt is processed!!) > > However, I am not sure if the stereoscopic view really adds anything to > the scene! Yes, it shows "depth" and a "stereo" effect - and it would > probably be better if both my eyes focussed correctly! > > Over to you!! > > -- > Best Regards > > Alec > > Alec Bray > alec.bray.2 at gmail.com > mob: 07789 561 346 > home: 0118 981 7502 > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Rail - cropped.png Type: image/png Size: 582153 bytes Desc: not available URL: From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net Thu Apr 30 04:59:09 2020 From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2020 10:59:09 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Out and about Message-ID: Morning all, Many of you have shared in these last few weeks photos of walks in and around your local patch. Those from the South East in some cases are places I was once very familiar with ? Box Hill, Leith Hill, Frensham Ponds etc. but nowadays the nearby Jurassic Coast just 30 minutes drive away is (or was, pre lockdown!) the natural lure. I?m attaching a couple of shots from recent years, one of Golden Cap as seen looking East from below Stonebarrow Hill, the other looking West from the top of Golden Cap towards Stonebarrow Hill (just East of Charmouth then Lyme Regis in the far distance). Golden Cap is the highest point on the South coast of England and you can appreciate the scale from the tiny cattle below where my nearest and dearest is sitting. Happy memories, Dave Newbitt. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Golden Cap.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 2495721 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: View westwards from Golden Cap.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 1848455 bytes Desc: not available URL: From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Thu Apr 30 05:15:26 2020 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2020 11:15:26 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Stereoscopic pictures In-Reply-To: References: <5708ca51-e55f-dcad-b973-863b96405f4a@gmail.com> <57C3FBE6-C6FE-4026-AE9A-817D3C5314E4@me.com> Message-ID: <011b4293-6cf1-a0f9-c55f-56685e18afdf@btinternet.com> I found your cropping made it work for me too. Cheers, Dave On 30/04/2020 09:54, Keith Wicks via Tech1 wrote: > I can't make the original drone pictures of the railway work with the > unaided eyes either, although I expect everything would be OK using a > stereo viewer. But I found it fairly easy once I had cropped the shots > to a smaller, square format: > > Rail - cropped.png > > Alastair: I think that getting only a partial coherent image from the > original shots was to be expected as only part of the RH picture was > covered in the LH picture. > > Alec: I don't think there is much point in doing calculations?in such > cases. Just experiment with the original movie frames in the > recording. The lateral separation between the viewpoints chosen will > determine how much the depth effect is exaggerated. I remember, in a > discussion on this mailing list, that the separation between TV > cameras (at Wimbledon, I think) for certain stereoscopic shots was > sometimes many yards. That would be OK in this case as all the objects > in the picture are distant. > > KW > > On Wed, 29 Apr 2020 at 10:04, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 > > wrote: > > I can't make that one work, I suspect the images are too far apart > in time.? I can only get about two-thirds of a coherent image. > > Alasdair Lawrance > > Don?t blame me, I voted Remain. >> On 29 Apr 2020, at 09:47, Alec Bray via Tech1 >> > wrote: >> >> Hi all, >> >> I just have to echo Alasdair's comment: >> >> On 28/04/2020 18:59, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 wrote: >>> That is really remarkable, Keith, I found it really quite easy >>> to create the 3d image.? I'd never heard of, or seen, that before. >> >> There was some earlier discussion of "above" and "below" on >> stereoscopic pictures, so I had a go with a drone shot taken on >> the North Yorkshire Moors Railway (from the doco series on >> Channel 5). >> >> >> >> This does actually work (although I think that the aspect ratios >> could be adjusted, and, of course, the number of frames between >> the two images ought to be calculated rather than my relying on a >> click on the pause button - and all the delays in my system while >> the interrupt is processed!!) >> >> However,? I am not sure if the stereoscopic view really adds >> anything to the scene!? Yes, it shows "depth" and a "stereo" >> effect - and it would probably be better if both my eyes focussed >> correctly! >> >> Over to you!! >> >> -- >> Best Regards >> >> Alec >> >> Alec Bray >> >> alec.bray.2 at gmail.com >> mob: 07789 561 346 >> home: 0118 981 7502 >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Rail - cropped.png Type: image/png Size: 582153 bytes Desc: not available URL: From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Thu Apr 30 05:25:09 2020 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2020 11:25:09 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Out and about In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Nice pics, Dave! Something strange happened when I put my cursor on the picture, it changed to a plus sign in a circle and I could enlarge the picture! I have never noticed that effect before on an e-mail! It often happens with downloaded images, of course, so I wondered if you had done something clever with your pix! Cheers, Dave On 30/04/2020 10:59, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: > Morning all, > Many of you have shared in these last few weeks photos of walks in and > around your local patch. Those from the South East in some cases are > places I was once very familiar with ? Box Hill, Leith Hill, Frensham > Ponds etc. but nowadays the nearby Jurassic Coast just 30 minutes > drive away is (or was, pre lockdown!) the natural lure. > I?m attaching a couple of shots from recent years, one of Golden Cap > as seen looking East from below Stonebarrow Hill, the other looking > West from the top of Golden Cap towards Stonebarrow Hill (just East of > Charmouth then Lyme Regis in the far distance). Golden Cap is the > highest point on the South coast of England and you can appreciate the > scale from the tiny cattle below where my nearest and dearest is sitting. > Happy memories, > Dave Newbitt. > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From keithwicksuk at gmail.com Thu Apr 30 05:32:36 2020 From: keithwicksuk at gmail.com (Keith Wicks) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2020 11:32:36 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] 42nd Street In-Reply-To: <5ea9ae92.1c69fb81.16d57.135e@mx.google.com> References: <5ea9ae92.1c69fb81.16d57.135e@mx.google.com> Message-ID: "...the stream is not available outside the US and Canada." Try using a free VPN (such as Touch VPN) set to USA or Canada. Note that BroadwayHD (who are streaming the show) have a free 7-day trial for self-isolators at the moment. I tried looking at a version of the show on YouTube. I got: [image: Unavailable.png] But, using my VPN set to USA, I got this from the same site: [image: Screen Shot 2020-04-30 at 11.12.30.png] OK, it's only a preview for a slightly earlier version of the show, but the principal is the same. KW On Wed, 29 Apr 2020 at 17:43, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > I may have posted (bleated on) about this splendid show before. > > Friends of mine have shared my birthdays with various wheezes to celebrate. > > When I hit 75 in 2017, the suggestion was to go to ?42nd Street? > > This was such an excellent production (eat your heart out, Stewart Morris!) > > that I took friends to see it (maybe spent as much as a bun-fight in the > local > > Village hall!) > > Went *ten* times, including the last performance at the Theatre Royal, > Drury Lane. > > Booked front seats in the Royal Circle, as the main wide shot, the best, > in the TVT was > > with the mole backed right up to the centre of the circle. > > Discovered that it was filmed for a streaming service, the day before I > went again, > > with Bob Foley. Unfortunately the stream is not available outside the US > and Canada. > > Waiting for a DVD ? we need it now, to cheer us up! > > (C?mon Michael Grade, get your finger out and your wallet open!) > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > [image: Avast logo] > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com > > <#m_416694517330538544_DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: AC89CDE9313F4F929723D1EB7976723F.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 77620 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Box Hill, Leith Hill, Frensham Ponds etc. but nowadays the nearby Jurassic Coast just 30 minutes drive away is (or was, pre lockdown!) the natural lure. > > I?m attaching a couple of shots from recent years, one of Golden Cap as seen looking East from below Stonebarrow Hill, the other looking West from the top of Golden Cap towards Stonebarrow Hill (just East of Charmouth then Lyme Regis in the far distance). Golden Cap is the highest point on the South coast of England and you can appreciate the scale from the tiny cattle below where my nearest and dearest is sitting. > > Happy memories, > > Dave Newbitt. > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com Thu Apr 30 05:48:05 2020 From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2020 11:48:05 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] "Hot and Cold" West London Message-ID: <5f809c52-5942-cd78-1e84-b765a8b9aae1@gmail.com> Hi all "Hot and Cold" is a nickname for the Hammersmith and City Underground line, formerly the Metropolitan, that I travelled on when I started at the BBC in 1963. I was doing something for the Reading Society of Model Engineers, and I thought that you would be interested... ==== I am not sure how I came by it, but as I was tidying up the other day, I found this map of the London underground: What is interesting about this map is that it is a REAL geographical map, not the diagrammatic map of the system. Harry Beck drew up the topological diagram during 1931in his spare time while working as an engineering draftsman at the London Underground Signals Office, and from about 1933 the diagrammatic map was adopted as the principal "map" for the Underground.? When I started work in 1963, it was still possible to buy a geographical map of the Underground from a machine alongside the diagrammatic map. Unfortunately it is difficult to get a decent picture of the opened map: here is the central section to give you the flavour: but there are some really interesting bits!? Here's a bit of West London with which I was very familiar: On the "Hot and Cold" - er Hammersmith and City - line, there is a station? "Wood Lane".? That had gone well before I started work in 1963 (actually closed in 1959 (after being destroyed by fire)) - but within recent years"Wood Lane" has been born again - opened 2008 very near to the old site - to serve the? Westfield Shopping Centre. A bit of trivia: this was the first time that a new station on the Tube had been given the name of a former station. The station had originally been called "Wood Lane Exhibition Station"? because it was built to serve the Franco-British Exhibition of 1908.? the Wood Lane Exhibition site became known as "White City" because of the many pearl-white buildings of the Franco-British 1908 Exhibition. Interestingly, during the time that? there was no "Wood Lane" station on the Hot and Cold, the BBC Television Centre - just across the road - was designed, built, expanded to eight main production studios, sold off and part demolished and turned into an Hotel and flats( 2017).? Studio 3 at Television centre had thicker walls to keep out the noise of the underground trains. And yes, the BBC Television Centre was built on the Exhibition site. in 1958 ... and in 2019 (makes you want to weep)... However, that is not the only bit of interest on this section of map!! Shepherd's Bush Station migrated over the years.? Early on, it was located on? Lime Grove, as shown in this 1912 map - and detailed in an earlier? post by Mike Jordan - see http://tech-ops.co.uk/next/sangers-yard/ sangers_1 It then moved to the North of Uxbridge Road on 1 April 1914: Road, and a new station at Goldhawk Road opened at the same time about half a kilometre to the south. The station was renamed "Shepherd's Bush Market" on 12th October 2008. In this 1908 geographical map, Shepherd's Bush station is also shown in the OLD location and there is no mention of Goldhawk Road. But what is of more interest is that there is a station named "Notting Hill" on the H&C. With the extension of the Metropolitan line from Paddington to Hammersmith (to make the "Hammersmith and City" line, the station was renamed "Notting Hill & Ladbroke Grove" in 1880 (although the map just has "Notting Hill" ).? It was renamed to "Ladbroke Grove (North Kensington) "on 1 June 1919 before being renamed "Ladbroke Grove" in 1938. The renamings were efforts to avoid confusion with the opening of "Notting Hill Gate" tube station (now, "Notting Hill") , which had occurred in 1868. Ladbroke Grove station is the nearest to Portobello Road Market and market traders and shopkeepers in the market have campaigned to have the station renamed "Portobello Road" in an effort to let people know how near the market is.? We would then have, presumably, Portobello Road Market and Shepherd's Bush Market on the same line! Now we come to Latimer Road station. Unusually, Latimer Road and the station that bears its name are not geographically close, being approximately 500 metres apart and on opposite sides of the Westway Flyover.? ? Latimer Road being to the north and .the station to the South! Grenfell Tower, which was destroyed in a fire on 14 June 2017, killing 72 people, stands behind the station, and there is a clear view of the tower from the Paddington-bound platform.? The UK government has requested that the station be renamed as a tribute to Grenfell Tower, a process that will need to be explored by Transport for London. On the 1938 map, there is a link from Latimer Road down to the West London Line that links Willesden Junction in the north to Clapham Junction in the south. ? This line has had a chequered history!? Anyway, the link from Latimer Road station allowed the Great Western Railway to run a? Middle Circle route (1872-1905) which ran (clockwise) from Mansion House to Aldgate (originally Moorgate) via Earl's Court, Kensington Olympia (shown as "Addison Road" on the map), Latimer Road and Baker Street. When I first travelled over the the Hammersmith and City in 1963, the viaduct from Latimer road down to the West London line was fully intact (although the lines were lifted?? All Gone now. In the 1908 Tube map, there is another connection - this time from the Hot and Cold to the District Line heading West. That had long gone by 1963, although remnants of that viaduct still exist. Wouldn't that connection be great if it still existed!? Would not have needed Heathrow Express ... Oh, and by the way...Westbourne Park used to be an interchange station with the Great Western Railway, but the main line station closed in March 1992. The Up line through the station had a 30 mph (48 km/h) speed limit, which was unacceptable for the then planned Heathrow Express services. Instead of modifying the station's platforms, British Rail decided that it would be more cost-effective to demolish the whole thing. To put things into context, ere is a snippet from a more recent Tube map. 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I wonder what the family playing happily where the warning signs say ?don?t? would make of the fact that the entire overhang above them collapsed on March 5th? This event had been anticipated for years and the access along the foreshore has now gone. Best wishes to you both and all others, Dave Newbitt. From: dave.mdv Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2020 11:25 AM To: David Newbitt ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Out and about Nice pics, Dave! Something strange happened when I put my cursor on the picture, it changed to a plus sign in a circle and I could enlarge the picture! I have never noticed that effect before on an e-mail! It often happens with downloaded images, of course, so I wondered if you had done something clever with your pix! Cheers, Dave On 30/04/2020 10:59, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: Morning all, Many of you have shared in these last few weeks photos of walks in and around your local patch. Those from the South East in some cases are places I was once very familiar with ? Box Hill, Leith Hill, Frensham Ponds etc. but nowadays the nearby Jurassic Coast just 30 minutes drive away is (or was, pre lockdown!) the natural lure. I?m attaching a couple of shots from recent years, one of Golden Cap as seen looking East from below Stonebarrow Hill, the other looking West from the top of Golden Cap towards Stonebarrow Hill (just East of Charmouth then Lyme Regis in the far distance). Golden Cap is the highest point on the South coast of England and you can appreciate the scale from the tiny cattle below where my nearest and dearest is sitting. Happy memories, Dave Newbitt. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Wide shot from the > cliff path to the East looking at the imposingly situated Seaside > Boarding House with the much praised green-roofed Hive Beach Cafe > below. Second pic is of the amazing strata at the foot of Burton Cliff > below the Boarding House (dare I say think Broadchurch?). I wonder > what the family playing happily where the warning signs say ?don?t? > would make of the fact that the entire overhang above them collapsed > on March 5th? This event had been anticipated for years and the access > along the foreshore has now gone. > Best wishes to you both and all others, > Dave Newbitt. > *From:* dave.mdv > *Sent:* Thursday, April 30, 2020 11:25 AM > *To:* David Newbitt ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > *Subject:* Re: [Tech1] Out and about > > Nice pics, Dave! Something strange happened when I put my cursor on > the picture, it changed to a plus sign in a circle and I could enlarge > the picture! I have never noticed that effect before on an e-mail! It > often happens with downloaded images, of course, so I wondered if you > had done something clever with your pix! Cheers, Dave > > On 30/04/2020 10:59, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: >> Morning all, >> Many of you have shared in these last few weeks photos of walks in >> and around your local patch. Those from the South East in some cases >> are places I was once very familiar with ? Box Hill, Leith Hill, >> Frensham Ponds etc. but nowadays the nearby Jurassic Coast just 30 >> minutes drive away is (or was, pre lockdown!) the natural lure. >> I?m attaching a couple of shots from recent years, one of Golden Cap >> as seen looking East from below Stonebarrow Hill, the other looking >> West from the top of Golden Cap towards Stonebarrow Hill (just East >> of Charmouth then Lyme Regis in the far distance). Golden Cap is the >> highest point on the South coast of England and you can appreciate >> the scale from the tiny cattle below where my nearest and dearest is >> sitting. >> Happy memories, >> Dave Newbitt. >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bernie833 at gmail.com Thu Apr 30 08:23:16 2020 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2020 14:23:16 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Out and about In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <86c298fa-1e6d-884d-db01-ec1c8b1554a5@gmail.com> On 30/04/2020 12:30, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: > perhaps it?s a Bernie bonus enhancement! Not me. I think it's probably part of your email client, and appears if the size of the image is larger than your window B -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From mibridge at mac.com Thu Apr 30 16:59:10 2020 From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2020 22:59:10 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Out and about In-Reply-To: <86c298fa-1e6d-884d-db01-ec1c8b1554a5@gmail.com> References: <86c298fa-1e6d-884d-db01-ec1c8b1554a5@gmail.com> Message-ID: <05CAD6D4-5790-41D5-A708-EC1B0AEA99A5@mac.com> Thanks from me too for the West Country photos. I?m not getting the magnification effect on my MacBook. As a baby, I was carried to the top of Golden Cap in my carry cot ~ can?t say I remember much about that, though I do remember another visit to Golden Cap a few years later, with the girl who was to become my wife (55 years come October!) because she decided to pat a fairly friendly horse who greeted us near the cliff top. Quite what he objected to we couldn?t decide, but he lifted his back leg as he walked away and delivered an excruciating backwards kick to her knee, so we went back down even more slowly than we had walked up! On the Broadchurch front, Dave, that was West Bay, was it not? Another of the favourite haunts from our youth, which we still visited regularly until all our parents had died, but now we have less need to go west. However, we have good countryside around us in Surrey and I attach two photos from a couple of days ago, when the sun was still with us, Firstly, wild garlic in woods on the Norbury Park estate: The cows are also in Norbury Park, beside the River Mole: Mike G > On 30 Apr 2020, at 14:23, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: > > > > On 30/04/2020 12:30, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: >> perhaps it?s a Bernie bonus enhancement! > > Not me. I think it's probably part of your email client, and appears if the size of the image is larger than your window > > B > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I?d like to take my hat off to whichever stalwart lugged a carry cot and occupant to the top of Golden Cap! I lived many years in Surrey and I certainly wouldn?t quarrel with the countryside there being good. Bit busy though! Wild garlic in flower is one of the really spectacular marker points of Spring and it?s just at its best about now. I?ll keep a wary eye on the horses in case it?s a local party trick reserved for tourists! Cheers, Dave Newbitt. From: Mike Giles via Tech1 Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2020 10:59 PM To: Bernard Newnham Cc: Tech Ops Subject: Re: [Tech1] Out and about Thanks from me too for the West Country photos. I?m not getting the magnification effect on my MacBook. As a baby, I was carried to the top of Golden Cap in my carry cot ~ can?t say I remember much about that, though I do remember another visit to Golden Cap a few years later, with the girl who was to become my wife (55 years come October!) because she decided to pat a fairly friendly horse who greeted us near the cliff top. Quite what he objected to we couldn?t decide, but he lifted his back leg as he walked away and delivered an excruciating backwards kick to her knee, so we went back down even more slowly than we had walked up! On the Broadchurch front, Dave, that was West Bay, was it not? Another of the favourite haunts from our youth, which we still visited regularly until all our parents had died, but now we have less need to go west. However, we have good countryside around us in Surrey and I attach two photos from a couple of days ago, when the sun was still with us, Firstly, wild garlic in woods on the Norbury Park estate: The cows are also in Norbury Park, beside the River Mole: Mike G On 30 Apr 2020, at 14:23, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: On 30/04/2020 12:30, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: perhaps it?s a Bernie bonus enhancement! Not me. I think it's probably part of your email client, and appears if the size of the image is larger than your window B -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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There had been rain recently and there was a dip at either a gate or stile, but being a dip, water had accumulated and made the ground muddy, compounded by the fact that all the walkers concentrated at that spot to pass. It was reminiscent of The Somme. She was wearing a white trouser suit, which was tremendously fashionable at the time. That little nugget of information has probably prompted you to autocomplete the story. Not wanting to get the bottoms of her new white trousers muddy, she was trying to navigate rocks using them as stepping stones. She needed to step a little further to reach one rock, did a delicate hop to reach it but overlooked the fact that the rock she was aiming for was wet and slippy. Gravity and momentum work as a very effective team, much to her disadvantage. She lost her balance ( and dignity ) in a comedy slow motion fall, accompanied by plenty of yelling so that nobody nearby could have possibly missed observing her misfortune. There didn?t appear to be a single square inch of trouser suit which escaped getting soiled. The day out ended right there and the long journey home was conducted in total silence. She certainly wasn?t prepared to stop for refreshments en route. Alan Taylor > On 30 Apr 2020, at 22:59, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: > > ?Thanks from me too for the West Country photos. I?m not getting the magnification effect on my MacBook. > > As a baby, I was carried to the top of Golden Cap in my carry cot ~ can?t say I remember much about that, though I do remember another visit to Golden Cap a few years later, with the girl who was to become my wife (55 years come October!) because she decided to pat a fairly friendly horse who greeted us near the cliff top. Quite what he objected to we couldn?t decide, but he lifted his back leg as he walked away and delivered an excruciating backwards kick to her knee, so we went back down even more slowly than we had walked up! > > On the Broadchurch front, Dave, that was West Bay, was it not? Another of the favourite haunts from our youth, which we still visited regularly until all our parents had died, but now we have less need to go west. > > However, we have good countryside around us in Surrey and I attach two photos from a couple of days ago, when the sun was still with us, > > Firstly, wild garlic in woods on the Norbury Park estate: > > > > The cows are also in Norbury Park, beside the River Mole: > > > > Mike G > >> On 30 Apr 2020, at 14:23, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: >> >> >> >> On 30/04/2020 12:30, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: >>> perhaps it?s a Bernie bonus enhancement! >> >> Not me. I think it's probably part of your email client, and appears if the size of the image is larger than your window >> >> B >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mibridge at mac.com Thu Apr 30 17:59:47 2020 From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2020 23:59:47 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Out and about In-Reply-To: <334D3550-2A55-4E9F-9856-F085CF439D45@me.com> References: <05CAD6D4-5790-41D5-A708-EC1B0AEA99A5@mac.com> <334D3550-2A55-4E9F-9856-F085CF439D45@me.com> Message-ID: <14C617EC-5D20-4F1F-8725-092B8E9CBA4A@mac.com> No sense of humour, some people! And I hasten to add that two men shared the task of carrying my cot to the top of Golden Cap ~ my father and a godfather (I emphasise that I don?t mean The Godfather!) Mike G > On 30 Apr 2020, at 23:45, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: > > My Golden Cap story happened about forty years ago. My first wife and I had planned to spend a day on Charmouth beach, but the tide was unusually high which would have made going to the beach pointless. Instead, we set off to walk over Golden Cap. > > There had been rain recently and there was a dip at either a gate or stile, but being a dip, water had accumulated and made the ground muddy, compounded by the fact that all the walkers concentrated at that spot to pass. It was reminiscent of The Somme. > > She was wearing a white trouser suit, which was tremendously fashionable at the time. That little nugget of information has probably prompted you to autocomplete the story. > > Not wanting to get the bottoms of her new white trousers muddy, she was trying to navigate rocks using them as stepping stones. She needed to step a little further to reach one rock, did a delicate hop to reach it but overlooked the fact that the rock she was aiming for was wet and slippy. > > Gravity and momentum work as a very effective team, much to her disadvantage. She lost her balance ( and dignity ) in a comedy slow motion fall, accompanied by plenty of yelling so that nobody nearby could have possibly missed observing her misfortune. There didn?t appear to be a single square inch of trouser suit which escaped getting soiled. > > The day out ended right there and the long journey home was conducted in total silence. She certainly wasn?t prepared to stop for refreshments en route. > > Alan Taylor > >> On 30 Apr 2020, at 22:59, Mike Giles via Tech1 > wrote: >> >> ?Thanks from me too for the West Country photos. I?m not getting the magnification effect on my MacBook. >> >> As a baby, I was carried to the top of Golden Cap in my carry cot ~ can?t say I remember much about that, though I do remember another visit to Golden Cap a few years later, with the girl who was to become my wife (55 years come October!) because she decided to pat a fairly friendly horse who greeted us near the cliff top. Quite what he objected to we couldn?t decide, but he lifted his back leg as he walked away and delivered an excruciating backwards kick to her knee, so we went back down even more slowly than we had walked up! >> >> On the Broadchurch front, Dave, that was West Bay, was it not? Another of the favourite haunts from our youth, which we still visited regularly until all our parents had died, but now we have less need to go west. >> >> However, we have good countryside around us in Surrey and I attach two photos from a couple of days ago, when the sun was still with us, >> >> Firstly, wild garlic in woods on the Norbury Park estate: >> >> >> >> The cows are also in Norbury Park, beside the River Mole: >> >> >> >> Mike G >> >>> On 30 Apr 2020, at 14:23, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 > wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On 30/04/2020 12:30, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: >>>> perhaps it?s a Bernie bonus enhancement! >>> >>> Not me. 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URL: From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net Thu Apr 30 18:01:00 2020 From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt) Date: Fri, 1 May 2020 00:01:00 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Out and about In-Reply-To: <334D3550-2A55-4E9F-9856-F085CF439D45@me.com> References: <05CAD6D4-5790-41D5-A708-EC1B0AEA99A5@mac.com> <334D3550-2A55-4E9F-9856-F085CF439D45@me.com> Message-ID: <79E42B8B5ADD45EE92D9D6DA25CCAAF8@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> Judging by Mike?s experience and now Alan?s it might be better to leave the wife at home ? though I must say mine is so far unscathed! Dave Newbitt. From: Alan Taylor via Tech1 Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2020 11:45 PM To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat Subject: Re: [Tech1] Out and about My Golden Cap story happened about forty years ago. My first wife and I had planned to spend a day on Charmouth beach, but the tide was unusually high which would have made going to the beach pointless. Instead, we set off to walk over Golden Cap. There had been rain recently and there was a dip at either a gate or stile, but being a dip, water had accumulated and made the ground muddy, compounded by the fact that all the walkers concentrated at that spot to pass. It was reminiscent of The Somme. She was wearing a white trouser suit, which was tremendously fashionable at the time. That little nugget of information has probably prompted you to autocomplete the story. Not wanting to get the bottoms of her new white trousers muddy, she was trying to navigate rocks using them as stepping stones. She needed to step a little further to reach one rock, did a delicate hop to reach it but overlooked the fact that the rock she was aiming for was wet and slippy. Gravity and momentum work as a very effective team, much to her disadvantage. She lost her balance ( and dignity ) in a comedy slow motion fall, accompanied by plenty of yelling so that nobody nearby could have possibly missed observing her misfortune. There didn?t appear to be a single square inch of trouser suit which escaped getting soiled. The day out ended right there and the long journey home was conducted in total silence. She certainly wasn?t prepared to stop for refreshments en route. Alan Taylor On 30 Apr 2020, at 22:59, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: ?Thanks from me too for the West Country photos. I?m not getting the magnification effect on my MacBook. As a baby, I was carried to the top of Golden Cap in my carry cot ~ can?t say I remember much about that, though I do remember another visit to Golden Cap a few years later, with the girl who was to become my wife (55 years come October!) because she decided to pat a fairly friendly horse who greeted us near the cliff top. Quite what he objected to we couldn?t decide, but he lifted his back leg as he walked away and delivered an excruciating backwards kick to her knee, so we went back down even more slowly than we had walked up! On the Broadchurch front, Dave, that was West Bay, was it not? Another of the favourite haunts from our youth, which we still visited regularly until all our parents had died, but now we have less need to go west. However, we have good countryside around us in Surrey and I attach two photos from a couple of days ago, when the sun was still with us, Firstly, wild garlic in woods on the Norbury Park estate: The cows are also in Norbury Park, beside the River Mole: Mike G On 30 Apr 2020, at 14:23, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: On 30/04/2020 12:30, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: perhaps it?s a Bernie bonus enhancement! Not me. 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