From graeme.wall at icloud.com  Tue Oct  1 01:50:27 2019
From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall)
Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2019 08:50:27 +0200
Subject: [Tech1] Dilemma
In-Reply-To: <9d5d2120-c3f8-c6ef-8d87-b3716d110718@btinternet.com>
References: <9d5d2120-c3f8-c6ef-8d87-b3716d110718@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <9E87254F-BBC0-48E9-9290-B8601231523E@icloud.com>

Already made it. We painted the walls magnolia and cleaned the carpets. We?d had a new kitchen about 10 years before. Fortunately we had a viewer who loved the kitchen and offered us more if we left all the appliances. I was grateful to not have to unplumb everything.

Graeme Wall 

> On 1 Oct 2019, at 00:23, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?Many thanks to all of you who have responded to this conumdrum! I've no doubt that all of our readers will eventually have the same decision to make! Cheers, Dave
> 
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From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com  Tue Oct  1 02:43:39 2019
From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray)
Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2019 08:43:39 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Fw: Dilemma
In-Reply-To: <E9E520AFEE534E93B3E7332E88A7E635@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>
References: <E9E520AFEE534E93B3E7332E88A7E635@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>
Message-ID: <b08dffb1-6c28-2cee-9897-d12a42da5d24@gmail.com>

Hi all,

On 30/09/2019 17:22, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote:
> Our furniture was Old Charm Oak
> which had cost serious money when bought. 

We had an Old Charm sideboard which we used as a television stand for 
many years.? We saw the sideboard in an antique shop in Hatton Shopping 
Village (near Hatton Locks, Warwickshire) where we had stopped en 
route.? The attraction was not the Old Charm, but the size.? It exactly 
fitted the recess- the space between the wall and the chimney breast.?? 
Well, not exactly - to help the situation I had to remove a piece of 
skirting board, but certainly there were no gaps either side!

So there we were, nicely set up.

Then, about a year and a half ago, we decided to downsize - my wife has 
mobility issues so we were looking for a bungalow. Downsizing from a 4 
bedroom detached house with many years worth of storage in the loft is 
in itself no joke - 26 (twenty six) collapsible crates of books went to 
a charity shop (distraught...)

Anyway, we had to get rid of this Old Charm sideboard - certainly no 
room for it in the present bungalow.? So we advertised it in one of the 
local free advertising sites (I say "we": actually my wife did it all).

We get this phone call - a slightly Asian voice - who said that she 
would like to have it.? We agreed a price (not peanuts, actually).? Then 
we got another phone call - what was the size of the sideboard.? We 
replied.? We got another phone call - Oh dear, that's too big, my man 
with a van can't fit it into hos van, can YOU arrange transport.

We thought and thought - this is beginning to sound a bot dodgy. This 
lady had never looked at the product, only seen the photos, and Old 
Charm is certainly not to everybody's taste.? Eventually we phoned her 
back and said, yes, we would arrange transport, but we would charge her 
for the transport as well.? She agreed.

On the day appointed, our contracted man with van arrived, loaded up the 
Old Charm sideboard and set off to Maidenhead (we were living in Reading 
at the time).? Off went the van with our Old Charm in it, we followed on 
in just a minute ...to collect our money in cash.

We arrived at the house in Maidenhead- no sign of the van! Knocked on 
the door. Opened by a very charming Asian lady.? "Oh, the van's already 
been and unloaded," she beamed (they must have tanked it down the M4), 
"come in and have a look!"

We could not believe it!? The whole of the living room was stuffed with 
Old Charm furniture.

Our piece had certainly found a home!


-- 

Best Regards

Alec

Alec Bray

alec.bray.2 at gmail.com
mob:    07789 561 346
home:   0118 981 7502




From gary_critcher at yahoo.com  Tue Oct  1 02:49:41 2019
From: gary_critcher at yahoo.com (gary_critcher at yahoo.com)
Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2019 07:49:41 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tech1] Dilemma
In-Reply-To: <9E87254F-BBC0-48E9-9290-B8601231523E@icloud.com>
References: <9d5d2120-c3f8-c6ef-8d87-b3716d110718@btinternet.com>
	<9E87254F-BBC0-48E9-9290-B8601231523E@icloud.com>
Message-ID: <685796880.2205780.1569916181932@mail.yahoo.com>

We currently have our house up for sale and all the estate agents we contacted told us not to do anything to the house, it would just be a waste of time and money.

  Atb
   Gary C








 On Tuesday, 1 October 2019, 09:50:57 GMT+3, Graeme Wall via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:





 Already made it. We painted the walls magnolia and cleaned the carpets. We?d had a new kitchen about 10 years before. Fortunately we had a viewer who loved the kitchen and offered us more if we left all the appliances. I was grateful to not have to unplumb everything.

Graeme Wall

> On 1 Oct 2019, at 00:23, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>
> ?Many thanks to all of you who have responded to this conumdrum! I've no doubt that all of our readers will eventually have the same decision to make! Cheers, Dave
>
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> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk


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From waresound at msn.com  Tue Oct  1 02:57:22 2019
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2019 07:57:22 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] PayPal
In-Reply-To: <76059505-729b-eda4-7887-8c568fc98c4b@btinternet.com>
References: <76059505-729b-eda4-7887-8c568fc98c4b@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <VI1P192MB02717B6800381D20855AA2ADA79D0@VI1P192MB0271.EURP192.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

Sandisk Rescue Pro has been a lifesaver for me in the past. You can download a free evaluation version, and I think $39 is a one-off purchase.
I?m sure you don?t need to be told : don?t leave all your pix in your camera, phone, etc. Save them onto your computer, and back them up onto a separate backup drive!!
PayPal: I can?t help you with that prob., but maybe Recoverit have bots that make better sense?
cheers,
Nick.
Sent from my iPad mini 5

> On 1 Oct 2019, at 00:38, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?I had a problem with my wife's camera microSD card recently where it somehow got corrupted and I couldn't retrieve any of her photos. I 'googled' for rescue software and found 'Recoverit'. I chose a 1 month subscription (nearly ?40) as it was only one SD card I needed to sort out. The program found nearly 2000 images and saved them, but there were .wmf files not .jpgs so I have had to convert them plus there were as many .chk files as well! Anyway, I have just received notification that my 'recurring' subscription is about to be renewed! I don't want to renew it so I have been trying to access my 'pre-arranged payment' folder on PayPal but have been unable to do so. I keep getting a message that there have been 'a few errors in retrieving my data, please try again in a few minutes'. This has been going on for several days, I have e-mailed PayPal and the reply  states that 'as a valued customer they don't want me to wait for a reply and here is an automatic reply' which tells me what I already know how to look at your pre-approved payments.
> I have had 4 of these and still I can't talk to a human being! Baa, bl**dy computers! Cheers, Dave
> 
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From s.k.edwards at btinternet.com  Tue Oct  1 02:59:47 2019
From: s.k.edwards at btinternet.com (Steve Edwards)
Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2019 08:59:47 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Dilemma
In-Reply-To: <9E87254F-BBC0-48E9-9290-B8601231523E@icloud.com>
References: <9d5d2120-c3f8-c6ef-8d87-b3716d110718@btinternet.com>
	<9E87254F-BBC0-48E9-9290-B8601231523E@icloud.com>
Message-ID: <64D61337-5E49-49FE-942D-ACCA59A7FA3D@btinternet.com>

Just underlining the fact that you don?t ever know who you may sell your house to and what their needs may be. 

We had a modern house on an estate with an excellent internal layout which gave the best use of space and natural daylight for what was just a medium sized house. Unlike the others on the estate, it also had a big garage and parking for 6 cars together with extensively landscaped gardens.
 
Most viewers didn?t give a monkeys about the landscaped gardens as long as ?little Johnny could play football  - we?re not gardeners? 
A retired couple eventually bought it - they ripped out structural walls, blocked up windows, covered the exterior walls with Telecoms cables and
cut down beautiful (& expensive)  trees and shrubs. 

Sadly they weren?t blessed with the best tastes in the world and they clearly wanted to make their own mark on what had become ?their? house. 
I think too many people today watch TV property programmes:  Following a trip to B & Q and buying a cordless screwdriver, it has empowered them with enough knowledge to consider themselves a Builder (or a Project Manager as they would call it on Grand Designs) 

Steve

> On 1 Oct 2019, at 07:50, Graeme Wall via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Already made it. We painted the walls magnolia and cleaned the carpets. We?d had a new kitchen about 10 years before. Fortunately we had a viewer who loved the kitchen and offered us more if we left all the appliances. I was grateful to not have to unplumb everything.
> 
> Graeme Wall 
> 
>> On 1 Oct 2019, at 00:23, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> ?Many thanks to all of you who have responded to this conumdrum! I've no doubt that all of our readers will eventually have the same decision to make! Cheers, Dave
>> 
>> -- 
>> Tech1 mailing list
>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk
> 
> 
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From ian.norman at armoor.co.uk  Tue Oct  1 04:00:54 2019
From: ian.norman at armoor.co.uk (ian.norman at armoor.co.uk)
Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2019 10:00:54 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] PayPal
In-Reply-To: <76059505-729b-eda4-7887-8c568fc98c4b@btinternet.com>
References: <76059505-729b-eda4-7887-8c568fc98c4b@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <130c9095-8504-744d-ffff-c68fc06d08e1@armoor.plus.com>

Dear Dave,

Sorry! I can't help you with your PayPal problem, I avoid PayPal like 
the plague.  But I can help with data recovery if you (or anyone else) 
ever needs help in the future.

One of the things I really liked about Tech-Ops was there was always 
someone who had gone through before and willing to help.


Best regards

Ian Norman

Email: mailto:ian.norman at armoor.co.uk
Telephone: 01643 888181

On 30/09/2019 23:37, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote:
> I had a problem with my wife's camera microSD card recently where it 
> somehow got corrupted and I couldn't retrieve any of her photos. I 
> 'googled' for rescue software and found 'Recoverit'. I chose a 1 month 
> subscription (nearly ?40) as it was only one SD card I needed to sort 
> out. The program found nearly 2000 images and saved them, but there were 
> .wmf files not .jpgs so I have had to convert them plus there were as 
> many .chk files as well! Anyway, I have just received notification that 
> my 'recurring' subscription is about to be renewed! I don't want to 
> renew it so I have been trying to access my 'pre-arranged payment' 
> folder on PayPal but have been unable to do so. I keep getting a message 
> that there have been 'a few errors in retrieving my data, please try 
> again in a few minutes'. This has been going on for several days, I have 
> e-mailed PayPal and the reply? states that 'as a valued customer they 
> don't want me to wait for a reply and here is an automatic reply' which 
> tells me what I already know how to look at your pre-approved payments.
>  ?I have had 4 of these and still I can't talk to a human being! Baa, 
> bl**dy computers! Cheers, Dave
> 


From dave at davesound.co.uk  Tue Oct  1 04:34:04 2019
From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman)
Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2019 10:34:04 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] PayPal
In-Reply-To: <130c9095-8504-744d-ffff-c68fc06d08e1@armoor.plus.com>
References: <76059505-729b-eda4-7887-8c568fc98c4b@btinternet.com>
	<130c9095-8504-744d-ffff-c68fc06d08e1@armoor.plus.com>
Message-ID: <57fc10f4bedave@davesound.co.uk>

In article <130c9095-8504-744d-ffff-c68fc06d08e1 at armoor.plus.com>,
   ian.norman--- via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> Sorry! I can't help you with your PayPal problem, I avoid PayPal like 
> the plague.

Dunno why. It is generally much quicker to use than a credit or debit card
for online purchases. It is also favoured by small businesses as it costs
them less than a card or cheque payment.

I've been using it for a very long time, and never had a problem with it.

-- 
*You can't teach an old mouse new clicks *

    Dave Plowman     dave at davesound.co.uk     London SW 12
    


From bernie833 at gmail.com  Tue Oct  1 05:37:33 2019
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2019 11:37:33 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] PayPal
In-Reply-To: <57fc10f4bedave@davesound.co.uk>
References: <76059505-729b-eda4-7887-8c568fc98c4b@btinternet.com>
	<130c9095-8504-744d-ffff-c68fc06d08e1@armoor.plus.com>
	<57fc10f4bedave@davesound.co.uk>
Message-ID: <CAA7MLyG0LhyXQKA1N8t-cLqezwbJ8r1frrSVHMQu2rrz23R0aw@mail.gmail.com>

Me too. And people can pay you easily with just your email address

On Tue, 1 Oct 2019, 10:43 Dave Plowman via Tech1, <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
wrote:

> In article <130c9095-8504-744d-ffff-c68fc06d08e1 at armoor.plus.com>,
>    ian.norman--- via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> > Sorry! I can't help you with your PayPal problem, I avoid PayPal like
> > the plague.
>
> Dunno why. It is generally much quicker to use than a credit or debit card
> for online purchases. It is also favoured by small businesses as it costs
> them less than a card or cheque payment.
>
> I've been using it for a very long time, and never had a problem with it.
>
> --
> *You can't teach an old mouse new clicks *
>
>     Dave Plowman     dave at davesound.co.uk     London SW 12
>
>
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From alawrance1 at me.com  Tue Oct  1 07:58:37 2019
From: alawrance1 at me.com (Alasdair Lawrance)
Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2019 13:58:37 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] The world's largest optical lens has been delivered for a
 $168M, 3.2-gigapixel telescope camera: Digital Photography Review
Message-ID: <2E811093-219A-4941-B605-1600F1D37DFF@me.com>

There may be some of us interested in this -


https://www.dpreview.com/news/7079598727/the-world-s-largest-optical-lens-has-been-delivered-for-massive-3-2-gigapixel-digital-camera


I like this massively expensive bit of kit being unloaded by a beaten-up old fork lift, hope somebody checked the lnsurance was up to date....

Alasdair Lawrance

Don?t blame me, I voted Remain.





From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Tue Oct  1 13:18:35 2019
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2019 19:18:35 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] The world's largest optical lens has been delivered for
 a $168M, 3.2-gigapixel telescope camera: Digital Photography Review
In-Reply-To: <2E811093-219A-4941-B605-1600F1D37DFF@me.com>
References: <2E811093-219A-4941-B605-1600F1D37DFF@me.com>
Message-ID: <e090a210-7c82-c954-e405-b85d2a3efa30@btinternet.com>

How many pixels?! The world's gone mad. Cheers, Dave


From mibridge at mac.com  Tue Oct  1 16:20:06 2019
From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles)
Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2019 22:20:06 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Downloads
Message-ID: <B420E82A-C5BD-4A0A-9565-3D01BD7EA629@mac.com>

I believe that a while ago, someone recommended an application for removing DRM flags from downloaded catch-up recordings, to allow long term use. Any chance of repeating the advice for a Mac user?

Mike G

From keithwicksuk at gmail.com  Tue Oct  1 18:38:31 2019
From: keithwicksuk at gmail.com (Keith Wicks)
Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2019 00:38:31 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Downloads
In-Reply-To: <B420E82A-C5BD-4A0A-9565-3D01BD7EA629@mac.com>
References: <B420E82A-C5BD-4A0A-9565-3D01BD7EA629@mac.com>
Message-ID: <CAA=qGJkLv5w3AJsx2NZd-NfTqpNayGG3dde7auVCC6L03RugKQ@mail.gmail.com>

I believe that some people overcome DRM restrictions by burning the
material to DVD. Some time ago, I looked for software to do the job on my
Mac but had no luck. However, I've just looked again and there seem to be
several options, including Amersoft DRM Media Converter, iPlayer Ripper, DVD
Creator Converter, Wondershare UniConverter, and Free DRM Removal for Mac
(from Softonic). You can find more details by repeating my search on
Google: remove DRM protection from BBC Mac.

Be warned that some software companies may add malware to their products,
especially in the case of free software. I never use anything from Softonic
or Wondershare. If you find something that works well, please let me know.

On Tue, 1 Oct 2019 at 22:20, Mike Giles via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
wrote:

> I believe that a while ago, someone recommended an application for
> removing DRM flags from downloaded catch-up recordings, to allow long term
> use. Any chance of repeating the advice for a Mac user?
>
> Mike G
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From simoncmorris at mac.com  Wed Oct  2 03:25:34 2019
From: simoncmorris at mac.com (Simon Morris)
Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2019 09:25:34 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Downloads
In-Reply-To: <B420E82A-C5BD-4A0A-9565-3D01BD7EA629@mac.com>
References: <B420E82A-C5BD-4A0A-9565-3D01BD7EA629@mac.com>
Message-ID: <de161ede-7468-428d-8d9b-1e07218bb1e9@mac.com>

Try iPlayer Downloader

https://sourceforge.net/projects/get-iplayer/

Cheers


Simon



?Samsung EE iCloud ?

On 1 Oct 2019, 22:20, at 22:20, Mike Giles via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>I believe that a while ago, someone recommended an application for
>removing DRM flags from downloaded catch-up recordings, to allow long
>term use. Any chance of repeating the advice for a Mac user?
>
>Mike G
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From keithwicksuk at gmail.com  Wed Oct  2 05:07:00 2019
From: keithwicksuk at gmail.com (Keith Wicks)
Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2019 11:07:00 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Downloads
In-Reply-To: <CAA=qGJkLv5w3AJsx2NZd-NfTqpNayGG3dde7auVCC6L03RugKQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <B420E82A-C5BD-4A0A-9565-3D01BD7EA629@mac.com>
	<CAA=qGJkLv5w3AJsx2NZd-NfTqpNayGG3dde7auVCC6L03RugKQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAA=qGJmm8tD6ThR8=VAcfh0n1uTikQuNxsWwEgquaMpRgaB2bA@mail.gmail.com>

Apologies for my previous misleading email on overcoming BBC DRM
restrictions. As I said, once before I had no joy in finding suitable Mac
software for this task. A recent search looked so much more promising but,
on investigation, some of the software was for PC only, and some would
handle iTunes downloads but not BBC iPlayer videos. Even worse, on a forum,
there was a statement saying that the Amersoft program would not handle
iPlayer downloads, "even though they state that it will". That may have
been because the BBC changed their download format over the years. I should
know better than to trust Google searches for things like this. I must try
some alternatives that are not so indebted to advertisers that they
automatically place them near the top of the search results lists at the
slightest opportunity.
KW


On Wed, 2 Oct 2019 at 00:38, Keith Wicks <keithwicksuk at gmail.com> wrote:

> I believe that some people overcome DRM restrictions by burning the
> material to DVD. Some time ago, I looked for software to do the job on my
> Mac but had no luck. However, I've just looked again and there seem to be
> several options, including Amersoft DRM Media Converter, iPlayer Ripper, DVD
> Creator Converter, Wondershare UniConverter, and Free DRM Removal for Mac
> (from Softonic). You can find more details by repeating my search on
> Google: remove DRM protection from BBC Mac.
>
> Be warned that some software companies may add malware to their products,
> especially in the case of free software. I never use anything from Softonic
> or Wondershare. If you find something that works well, please let me know.
>
> On Tue, 1 Oct 2019 at 22:20, Mike Giles via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
>> I believe that a while ago, someone recommended an application for
>> removing DRM flags from downloaded catch-up recordings, to allow long term
>> use. Any chance of repeating the advice for a Mac user?
>>
>> Mike G
>> --
>> Tech1 mailing list
>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk
>>
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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Wed Oct  2 05:21:25 2019
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2019 11:21:25 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Downloads
In-Reply-To: <CAA=qGJmm8tD6ThR8=VAcfh0n1uTikQuNxsWwEgquaMpRgaB2bA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <B420E82A-C5BD-4A0A-9565-3D01BD7EA629@mac.com>
	<CAA=qGJkLv5w3AJsx2NZd-NfTqpNayGG3dde7auVCC6L03RugKQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAA=qGJmm8tD6ThR8=VAcfh0n1uTikQuNxsWwEgquaMpRgaB2bA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8e4c2695-3e72-bb09-533b-4cbe7c6b3fd0@ntlworld.com>

You can sort of cheat by using OBS Studio and recording the screen in 
real time.

B



On 02/10/2019 11:07, Keith Wicks via Tech1 wrote:
> Apologies for my previous misleading email on overcoming BBC DRM 
> restrictions. As I said, once before I had no joy in finding suitable 
> Mac software for this task. A recent search looked so much more 
> promising but, on investigation, some of the software was for PC only, 
> and some would handle iTunes downloads but not BBC iPlayer videos. 
> Even worse, on a forum, there was a statement saying that the Amersoft 
> program would not handle iPlayer downloads, "even though they state 
> that it will". That may have been because the BBC changed their 
> download format over the years. I should know better than to trust 
> Google searches for things like this. I must try some alternatives 
> that are not so indebted?to advertisers that they automatically place 
> them near the top of the search results lists at the slightest 
> opportunity.
> KW
>
>
> On Wed, 2 Oct 2019 at 00:38, Keith Wicks <keithwicksuk at gmail.com 
> <mailto:keithwicksuk at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>     I believe that some people overcome DRM restrictions by burning
>     the material to DVD. Some time ago, I looked for software to do
>     the job on my Mac but had no luck. However, I've just looked again
>     and there seem to be several options, including Amersoft DRM Media
>     Converter, iPlayer Ripper, DVD Creator Converter, Wondershare
>     UniConverter, and Free DRM Removal for Mac (from Softonic). You
>     can find more details by repeating my search on Google: remove DRM
>     protection from BBC Mac.
>
>     Be warned that some software companies may add malware to their
>     products, especially in the case of free software. I never use
>     anything from Softonic or Wondershare. If you find something that
>     works well, please let me know.
>
>     On Tue, 1 Oct 2019 at 22:20, Mike Giles via Tech1
>     <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:
>
>         I believe that a while ago, someone recommended an application
>         for removing DRM flags from downloaded catch-up recordings, to
>         allow long term use. Any chance of repeating the advice for a
>         Mac user?
>
>         Mike G
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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Wed Oct  2 05:28:43 2019
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2019 11:28:43 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] In a world......
Message-ID: <5f50f1ed-9171-d24c-8ac2-8bc78775b742@gmail.com>

...where everything has a spell checker, this was part of a huge arty 
thing on the concourse of London Bridge station yesterday



Mind you, it isn't as bad as at Chatham Naval Dockyard, where you can 
tour HMS Ocelot, which, the sign informs you, is a subermarine (my 
spellchecker thinks that's wrong)

Bernie
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Wed Oct  2 06:46:53 2019
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2019 12:46:53 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] The world's largest optical lens has been delivered for
 a$168M, 3.2-gigapixel telescope camera: Digital Photography Review
In-Reply-To: <2E811093-219A-4941-B605-1600F1D37DFF@me.com>
References: <2E811093-219A-4941-B605-1600F1D37DFF@me.com>
Message-ID: <5d948e2e.1c69fb81.9002f.de72@mx.google.com>

?t would be tricky taking a selfie with it!
Pat

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From: Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1
Sent: 01 October 2019 13:58
To: Tech Ops List
Subject: [Tech1] The world's largest optical lens has been delivered for a$168M, 3.2-gigapixel telescope camera: Digital Photography Review

There may be some of us interested in this -


https://www.dpreview.com/news/7079598727/the-world-s-largest-optical-lens-has-been-delivered-for-massive-3-2-gigapixel-digital-camera


I like this massively expensive bit of kit being unloaded by a beaten-up old fork lift, hope somebody checked the lnsurance was up to date....

Alasdair Lawrance




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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Wed Oct  2 06:49:59 2019
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2019 12:49:59 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] In a world......
In-Reply-To: <5f50f1ed-9171-d24c-8ac2-8bc78775b742@gmail.com>
References: <5f50f1ed-9171-d24c-8ac2-8bc78775b742@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5d948ee8.1c69fb81.86afa.69e2@mx.google.com>

Whatever became of Blair?s ?eddication, edukation, edducation?!
Obviously didn?t extend to spelling!
Pat

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From: Bernard Newnham via Tech1
Sent: 02 October 2019 11:29
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: [Tech1] In a world......

...where everything has a spell checker, this was part of a huge arty thing on the concourse of London Bridge station yesterday



Mind you, it isn't as bad as at Chatham Naval Dockyard, where you can tour HMS Ocelot, which, the sign informs you, is a subermarine (my spellchecker thinks that's wrong)

Bernie 



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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Wed Oct  2 07:40:48 2019
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2019 13:40:48 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Downloads
In-Reply-To: <8e4c2695-3e72-bb09-533b-4cbe7c6b3fd0@ntlworld.com>
References: <B420E82A-C5BD-4A0A-9565-3D01BD7EA629@mac.com>
	<CAA=qGJkLv5w3AJsx2NZd-NfTqpNayGG3dde7auVCC6L03RugKQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAA=qGJmm8tD6ThR8=VAcfh0n1uTikQuNxsWwEgquaMpRgaB2bA@mail.gmail.com>
	<8e4c2695-3e72-bb09-533b-4cbe7c6b3fd0@ntlworld.com>
Message-ID: <5d949ad1.1c69fb81.b66d5.549c@mx.google.com>

Having seen ?42nd Street? ten times at the Theatre Royal, I was eagerly awaiting a viewing of the filmed version.
This was being streamed from a New York service, so paid a month?s subscription, BUT, it was DRM not available to
the UK. I tried switching my VPN to a US IP address, but it didn?t work as my credit card subscription was obviously
from the UK! My sub was refunded.
It is being streamed to various cinemas in the UK, on Nov 10th and 12th. Bob Foley and I will watch it in Horsham.
It really is worth seeing. Hopefully, maybe a Christmas issue of a BluRay might follow.

 Best
Pat


From: Bernard Newnham via Tech1
Sent: 02 October 2019 11:21
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Downloads

You can sort of cheat by using OBS Studio and recording the screen in real time. 

B


On 02/10/2019 11:07, Keith Wicks via Tech1 wrote:
Apologies for my previous misleading email on overcoming BBC DRM restrictions. As I said, once before I had no joy in finding suitable Mac software for this task. A recent search looked so much more promising but, on investigation, some of the software was for PC only, and some would handle iTunes downloads but not BBC iPlayer videos. Even worse, on a forum, there was a statement saying that the Amersoft program would not handle iPlayer downloads, "even though they state that it will". That may have been because the BBC changed their download format over the years. I should know better than to trust Google searches for things like this. I must try some alternatives that are not so indebted?to advertisers that they automatically place them near the top of the search results lists at the slightest opportunity.
KW


On Wed, 2 Oct 2019 at 00:38, Keith Wicks <keithwicksuk at gmail.com> wrote:
I believe that some people overcome DRM restrictions by burning the material to DVD. Some time ago, I looked for software to do the job on my Mac but had no luck. However, I've just looked again and there seem to be several options, including?Amersoft DRM Media Converter,?iPlayer Ripper, DVD Creator Converter, Wondershare UniConverter, and?Free DRM Removal for Mac (from Softonic). You can find more details by repeating my search on Google:?remove DRM protection from BBC Mac.

Be warned that some software companies may add malware to their products, especially in the case of free software. I never use anything from Softonic or Wondershare. If you find something that works well, please let me know.

On Tue, 1 Oct 2019 at 22:20, Mike Giles via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
I believe that a while ago, someone recommended an application for removing DRM flags from downloaded catch-up recordings, to allow long term use. Any chance of repeating the advice for a Mac user?

Mike G
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Wed Oct  2 07:46:56 2019
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2019 13:46:56 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] PayPal
In-Reply-To: <CAA7MLyG0LhyXQKA1N8t-cLqezwbJ8r1frrSVHMQu2rrz23R0aw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <76059505-729b-eda4-7887-8c568fc98c4b@btinternet.com>
	<130c9095-8504-744d-ffff-c68fc06d08e1@armoor.plus.com>
	<57fc10f4bedave@davesound.co.uk>
	<CAA7MLyG0LhyXQKA1N8t-cLqezwbJ8r1frrSVHMQu2rrz23R0aw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5d949c41.1c69fb81.cf010.e961@mx.google.com>

I?ve only ever used PayPal to buy something, but never opened a receipt account, as I?d heard that there?s a delay in rendering the income to your bank, and do they charge a commission percentage?
Pat

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From: Bernard Newnham via Tech1
Sent: 01 October 2019 11:38
To: Dave Plowman
Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Tech1] PayPal

Me too. And people can pay you easily with just your email address

On Tue, 1 Oct 2019, 10:43 Dave Plowman via Tech1, <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
In article <130c9095-8504-744d-ffff-c68fc06d08e1 at armoor.plus.com>,
? ?ian.norman--- via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> Sorry! I can't help you with your PayPal problem, I avoid PayPal like 
> the plague.

Dunno why. It is generally much quicker to use than a credit or debit card
for online purchases. It is also favoured by small businesses as it costs
them less than a card or cheque payment.

I've been using it for a very long time, and never had a problem with it.

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? ? Dave Plowman? ? ?dave at davesound.co.uk? ? ?London SW 12


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From dave at davesound.co.uk  Wed Oct  2 08:29:53 2019
From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman)
Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2019 14:29:53 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] TV Licence.
Message-ID: <57fcaa61f3dave@davesound.co.uk>

I renewed my TV license on the 29th online. Paid by credit card.

On the 1st, I got another reminder.
Same today.

Checked by credit card statement online. Says payment for the licence
'pending'. Credit card nowhere near its limit, and cleared to zero each
month.

Used the same card today for petrol. No problems.

-- 
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    Dave Plowman     dave at davesound.co.uk     London SW 12
    


From dave at davesound.co.uk  Wed Oct  2 08:31:30 2019
From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman)
Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2019 14:31:30 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] In a world......
In-Reply-To: <5d948ee8.1c69fb81.86afa.69e2@mx.google.com>
References: <5f50f1ed-9171-d24c-8ac2-8bc78775b742@gmail.com>
	<5d948ee8.1c69fb81.86afa.69e2@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <57fcaa873adave@davesound.co.uk>

In article <5d948ee8.1c69fb81.86afa.69e2 at mx.google.com>,
   patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> Whatever became of Blair?s ?eddication, edukation, edducation?!
> Obviously didn?t extend to spelling!

It's odd really, since just about everything I write these days is subject
to a spoolcheeker.

-- 
*Work is for people who don't know how to fish.

    Dave Plowman     dave at davesound.co.uk     London SW 12
    


From waresound at msn.com  Wed Oct  2 08:59:53 2019
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2019 13:59:53 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] PayPal
In-Reply-To: <5d949c41.1c69fb81.cf010.e961@mx.google.com>
References: <5d949c41.1c69fb81.cf010.e961@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <VI1P192MB02716DFEFF3320B8A6C848E8A79C0@VI1P192MB0271.EURP192.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

They do. Why would you expect them to do it for nothing? Whenever I sell items on eBay I always try to discourage payment by PayPal. But the listing process does its best to make you use PayPal, and it has to be said, as a seller you are better protected, should the buyer, for instance, claim the item was never delivered.
On the other hand, whenever I can pay by PayPal I do, because it saves you disclosing any credit or debit card details. Anyone who has access to a card and it?s three digit security code can in theory do a ?customer not present? card transaction using your info, as once happened to me with an Amazon Prime purchase I never made. Long story which I think I shared here previously - (or it might have been on the IPSnet forum). happy to share it again if anyone?s interested. I have Amazon?s printout of a long live chat incident with a fraudulent buyer who had all the necessary details, but wanted a TV delivered to his, not my, address.
Cheers,
Nick.

Sent from my iPad mini 5

On 2 Oct 2019, at 14:47, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

?
I?ve only ever used PayPal to buy something, but never opened a receipt account, as I?d heard that there?s a delay in rendering the income to your bank, and do they charge a commission percentage?
Pat

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From: Bernard Newnham via Tech1<mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
Sent: 01 October 2019 11:38
To: Dave Plowman<mailto:dave at davesound.co.uk>
Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk<mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [Tech1] PayPal

Me too. And people can pay you easily with just your email address

On Tue, 1 Oct 2019, 10:43 Dave Plowman via Tech1, <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk<mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:
In article <130c9095-8504-744d-ffff-c68fc06d08e1 at armoor.plus.com<mailto:130c9095-8504-744d-ffff-c68fc06d08e1 at armoor.plus.com>>,
   ian.norman--- via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk<mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:
> Sorry! I can't help you with your PayPal problem, I avoid PayPal like
> the plague.

Dunno why. It is generally much quicker to use than a credit or debit card
for online purchases. It is also favoured by small businesses as it costs
them less than a card or cheque payment.

I've been using it for a very long time, and never had a problem with it.

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    Dave Plowman     dave at davesound.co.uk<mailto:dave at davesound.co.uk>     London SW 12


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From waresound at msn.com  Wed Oct  2 09:13:26 2019
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2019 14:13:26 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] In a world......
In-Reply-To: <57fcaa873adave@davesound.co.uk>
References: <57fcaa873adave@davesound.co.uk>
Message-ID: <VI1P192MB0271BE8A7EB5922CBA282743A79C0@VI1P192MB0271.EURP192.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

I sent a WhatsApp message yesterday which mentioned that I was sitting in Mahon cathedral at an organ recital. Only after I sent it I noticed that iPhone had corrected it to ?organ excitable?. I think I prefer that to my version.
Cheers,
Nick.

Sent from my iPad mini 5

> On 2 Oct 2019, at 15:32, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?In article <5d948ee8.1c69fb81.86afa.69e2 at mx.google.com>,
>   patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> Whatever became of Blair's ?eddication, edukation, edducation'!
>> Obviously didn't extend to spelling!
> 
> It's odd really, since just about everything I write these days is subject
> to a spoolcheeker.
> 
> -- 
> *Work is for people who don't know how to fish.
> 
>    Dave Plowman     dave at davesound.co.uk     London SW 12
> 
> 
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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Wed Oct  2 11:53:17 2019
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2019 17:53:17 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] In a world......
In-Reply-To: <VI1P192MB0271BE8A7EB5922CBA282743A79C0@VI1P192MB0271.EURP192.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
References: <57fcaa873adave@davesound.co.uk>
	<VI1P192MB0271BE8A7EB5922CBA282743A79C0@VI1P192MB0271.EURP192.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
Message-ID: <bb63db43-c62e-27f7-ae73-dc8a94df8e67@btinternet.com>

... but I can guess which would be more enjoyable! Cheers, Dave


From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Wed Oct  2 16:08:25 2019
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2019 22:08:25 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] PayPal
Message-ID: <30ab3eee-41c1-bcd0-1b2a-eb28c0fa1248@btinternet.com>

After all my frustration with PayPal about not being able to access my 
pre-approved  payments folder they have asked for feedback on their 
telephone reply service! Guess what I told them! It all came about 
because I thought I had bought a one month subscription to a Wondershare 
SD disc recovery program 'recoverit'. It recovered  nearly 2000 image 
files but I couldn't see any of them as they were in .wmf format and not 
.jpg plus an equal number of .chk files which I have had to convert. 
Last week I received an e-mail saying that my subscription was about to 
renewed! I e-mailed them to cancel it but they said as it was paid for 
through PayPal I had to cancel it with PayPal. That is what I can't do 
as I can't access my pre-approved payments folder on PayPal after 
several days of trying. Cheers, Dave


From waresound at msn.com  Thu Oct  3 00:36:13 2019
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2019 05:36:13 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] PayPal
In-Reply-To: <30ab3eee-41c1-bcd0-1b2a-eb28c0fa1248@btinternet.com>
References: <30ab3eee-41c1-bcd0-1b2a-eb28c0fa1248@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <VI1P192MB02713BE81734CAD1E4B71C3DA79F0@VI1P192MB0271.EURP192.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

That?s bots for you! Bots are the future ?
Nick.

Sent from my iPad mini 5

> On 2 Oct 2019, at 23:09, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?After all my frustration with PayPal about not being able to access my pre-approved  payments folder they have asked for feedback on their telephone reply service! Guess what I told them! It all came about because I thought I had bought a one month subscription to a Wondershare SD disc recovery program 'recoverit'. It recovered  nearly 2000 image files but I couldn't see any of them as they were in .wmf format and not .jpg plus an equal number of .chk files which I have had to convert. Last week I received an e-mail saying that my subscription was about to renewed! I e-mailed them to cancel it but they said as it was paid for through PayPal I had to cancel it with PayPal. That is what I can't do as I can't access my pre-approved payments folder on PayPal after several days of trying. Cheers, Dave
> 
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Thu Oct  3 09:02:42 2019
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2019 15:02:42 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] In a world......
In-Reply-To: <57fcaa873adave@davesound.co.uk>
References: <5f50f1ed-9171-d24c-8ac2-8bc78775b742@gmail.com>
	<5d948ee8.1c69fb81.86afa.69e2@mx.google.com>
	<57fcaa873adave@davesound.co.uk>
Message-ID: <5d95ff83.1c69fb81.be3e3.c59b@mx.google.com>

Hi Dave,
I think a ?spoolcheeker? could refer to a split film reel, see pic!
(Where the film is wound on a bobbin, or core)
Best
Pat




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From: Dave Plowman via Tech1
Sent: 02 October 2019 14:32
To: Bernard Newnham; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Tech1] In a world......


It's odd really, since just about everything I write these days is subject
to a spoolcheeker.




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From alanaudio at me.com  Thu Oct  3 09:49:47 2019
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2019 15:49:47 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] In a world......
In-Reply-To: <5d95ff83.1c69fb81.be3e3.c59b@mx.google.com>
References: <5f50f1ed-9171-d24c-8ac2-8bc78775b742@gmail.com>
	<5d948ee8.1c69fb81.86afa.69e2@mx.google.com>
	<57fcaa873adave@davesound.co.uk>
	<5d95ff83.1c69fb81.be3e3.c59b@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <82A4F286-639C-4B3E-A52A-AB4CFEF2A9BD@me.com>

If I were appearing on Call My Bluff, I could give a very convincing two minute talk about how a spoolcheeker is the person whose job it is to fit the cheeks or flanges to the hubs ( originally called spools ) in order to build reels.  It's a craft which is sadly dying out as there is no longer any demand for reels now that digital formats are ubiquitous.  Working alongside a spoolcheeker would be a splinterer, who fashions the grooves in the hubs for the splines to engage with.

Alan Taylor




On 3 Oct 2019, at 3 Oct . 15:02, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

> Hi Dave,
> I think a ?spoolcheeker? could refer to a split film reel, see pic!
> (Where the film is wound on a bobbin, or core)
> Best
> Pat
>  
>  
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> Sent: 02 October 2019 14:32
> To: Bernard Newnham; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> Subject: Re: [Tech1] In a world......
>  
>  
> It's odd really, since just about everything I write these days is subject
> to a spoolcheeker.
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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Thu Oct  3 17:56:37 2019
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2019 23:56:37 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Painful memories
Message-ID: <093d2aed-60db-16e5-b155-3397e3d14105@btinternet.com>

I have still got on ?inch tape a recording of a Promenade Concert of 
Rachmaninoff's 2nd. Piano Concerto which I was recording from my Dad's 
Ekco TV (with FM radio) when my 16 year-old fiancee didn't turn up for 
our usual Saturday evening get-together. This was long before mobile 
phones and our only mode of communication was the red box half a mile 
away, press button 'A' and then press button 'B'. You've all been there! 
I was frantic and ended up going to the hospital where she worked on my 
motorbike and eventually got to speak to the Matron who couldn't help at 
all. I hung around till about 0100 and she arrived back in an Austin A35 
green van from a disco in the city (I remember the number plate to this 
day!), gave me back my ring and said that was that! I went home and 
cried my heart out on my mother's ample bosom. I listened to 
Tchaikovsky's 'Francesca da Rimini' on headphones and decided that was 
the end of life as I knew it! However, I am still here so even the worst 
things that can happen to you gradually fade and you get on with living! 
Cheers, Dave


From alanaudio at me.com  Fri Oct  4 03:51:25 2019
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2019 09:51:25 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] On screen japes and wheezes
In-Reply-To: <5d860e06.1c69fb81.b08c6.e4e4@mx.google.com>
References: <5d860e06.1c69fb81.b08c6.e4e4@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <EC3A074D-305C-4F90-B55E-A3DB20CD1DB5@me.com>

A couple of weeks ago, Pat Heigham mentioned a prank played on newscasters.  I wondered what pranks have been instigated by crew members and appeared on BBC shows?

Here's  a couple which I was involved in.

I worked on a play called "Sudden Wrench", where a bored housewife ( Rosemary Martin ) spots a job advert for a plumbers mate and ends up working in a traditionally all-male environment.  There was a shot in a job centre where she is looking at a glass fronted display case with a grid of jobs, each  written by hand on 3x5 index cards.  Near the centre of the display, she gestures her finger towards one for "Plumber's Mate".  The prop buyer had written all the cards and I got her to write an additional one which was placed two down and one across from the desired one - it read "Decent cameraman required - must be observant and able to start immediately".  After we recorded the shot, I pointed it out to the director ( Jon Amiel ) and suggested that he might like to replace the card and shoot it again.  Jon laughed like a drain and pointed out that as nobody had spotted it in the five minutes it took to  set up the shot and shoot it, he wasn't at all concerned about it remaining in the finished programme.  That shot even briefly appeared in trails for the show.

A sunday evening serial "Bratt Farrar" revolved around point to point racing and a major scene was set in a country show where the big race is a highlight. There was a need for specific Tannoy announcements to the crowd as part of the storyline and we had to record many other trivial Tannoy messages, most of which were just background effects for atmos and continuity.  Many fictitious horses and riders were mentioned in these announcements and they all had to be cleared with the Jockey Club so that no real names were used.  I was able to interfere with the list of names before it was submitted and was delighted that my change was approved by the Jockey Club.  At one point in the background, the announcer declared that "Jeff Baker has withdrawn Dirty Jack".  

What sort pranks have you guys managed to get onto our screens?

Alan Taylor

From geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com  Fri Oct  4 05:35:02 2019
From: geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com (geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com)
Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2019 11:35:02 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Any Wazers out there and can you help with marking current
 location?
Message-ID: <001801d57a9f$61321ac0$23965040$@gmail.com>

I've recently started using the car navigation app Waze by connecting my
iPhone to the screen and quite like it as an alternative to my TomTom 6200.

The TomTom has the advantage that you can mark your current location by
touching the arrow on the screen and save it for later. I've not yet found
out how to do that on Waze or if it's possible. Does anyone else use Waze
and if so, what do you think of it and can you help?

 

Geoff Hawkes

 

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From waresound at msn.com  Fri Oct  4 08:05:33 2019
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2019 13:05:33 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Any Wazers out there and can you help with marking
 current location?
In-Reply-To: <001801d57a9f$61321ac0$23965040$@gmail.com>
References: <001801d57a9f$61321ac0$23965040$@gmail.com>
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Hi Geoff,
I can?t actually answer your question, but have an alternative that folk might like to be aware of.
I travel on a fairly regular basis up into various parts of London, mainly in the City area, and have found Google Maps on my iPad mini to be absolutely invaluable. I did give Waze a try, but found it gimmicky and not always up to the minute. Google Maps is always pretty reliable for road works, up to the minute traffic delays, diversions, etc. The deal I have with ?my? cameraman is that I navigate, and he drives where I tell him. It means if we?re late it?s my fault of course, but I?m used to that now.
I gave my rather pricey Garmin to the charity shop because it was only as good as the last software upgrade I gave it. Old technology now rendered massively redundant in my opinion, and an upgrade for it was unrealistically expensive. Ditto the fitted satnav in my Astra.
Google Maps ?
Cheers,
Nick.
Sent from my iPad mini 5

On 4 Oct 2019, at 11:35, geoff.hawkes134--- via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

?
I?ve recently started using the car navigation app Waze by connecting my iPhone to the screen and quite like it as an alternative to my TomTom 6200.
The TomTom has the advantage that you can mark your current location by touching the arrow on the screen and save it for later. I?ve not yet found out how to do that on Waze or if it?s possible. Does anyone else use Waze and if so, what do you think of it and can you help?

Geoff Hawkes

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From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk  Fri Oct  4 08:39:06 2019
From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf)
Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2019 14:39:06 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Any Wazers out there and can you help with marking
 current location?
In-Reply-To: <VI1P192MB02713BCE86F1A8E851E927A5A79E0@VI1P192MB0271.EURP192.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
References: <001801d57a9f$61321ac0$23965040$@gmail.com>
	<VI1P192MB02713BCE86F1A8E851E927A5A79E0@VI1P192MB0271.EURP192.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
Message-ID: <430047ab-3e21-4aab-4d34-91a42c77caeb@chriswoolf.co.uk>

Google Maps is good, but...

You have to use it on line, and that means it isn't great in areas with 
poor reception, or if you needing to economise on mobile data.

HERE (or Here We Go), is very close to Google Maps, and has the great 
advantage that it can be used off-line too. It is free, and maps are 
downloadable free, and cover the majority of the world. They are 
up-to-date and regularly updated.

I dumped my old TomTom years ago, have never regretted doing so and 
can't imagine why anyone would bother to pay money for navigation now.

Chris Woolf


On 04/10/2019 14:05, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote:
> Hi Geoff,
> I can?t actually answer your question, but have an alternative that 
> folk might like to be aware of.
> I travel on a fairly regular basis up into various parts of London, 
> mainly in the City area, and have found Google Maps on my iPad mini to 
> be absolutely invaluable. I did give Waze a try, but found it gimmicky 
> and not always up to the minute. Google Maps is always pretty reliable 
> for road works, up to the minute traffic delays, diversions, etc. The 
> deal I have with ?my? cameraman is that I navigate, and he drives 
> where I tell him. It means if we?re late it?s my fault of course, but 
> I?m used to that now.
> I gave my rather pricey Garmin to the charity shop because it was only 
> as good as the last software upgrade I gave it. Old technology now 
> rendered massively redundant in my opinion, and an upgrade for it was 
> unrealistically expensive. Ditto the fitted satnav in my Astra.
> Google Maps ?
> Cheers,
> Nick.
> Sent from my iPad mini 5
>
>> On 4 Oct 2019, at 11:35, geoff.hawkes134--- via Tech1 
>> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> ?
>>
>> I?ve recently started using the car navigation app Waze by connecting 
>> my iPhone to the screen and quite like it as an alternative to my 
>> TomTom 6200.
>>
>> The TomTom has the advantage that you can mark your current location 
>> by touching the arrow on the screen and save it for later. I?ve not 
>> yet found out how to do that on Waze or if it?s possible. Does anyone 
>> else use Waze and if so, what do you think of it and can you help?
>>
>> *Geoff Hawkes*
>>
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From mibridge at mac.com  Fri Oct  4 13:56:56 2019
From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles)
Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2019 19:56:56 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Any Wazers out there and can you help with marking
 current location?
In-Reply-To: <430047ab-3e21-4aab-4d34-91a42c77caeb@chriswoolf.co.uk>
References: <001801d57a9f$61321ac0$23965040$@gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <066685D8-B8C3-4BD7-8ECC-240F538C20EA@mac.com>

I have tried Waze, which my son-in-law swears by, but I found that I was swearing at it, rather than by it. So I?m sticking with AppleMaps on the iPhone, which I grant you does need an internet connection, but that has the benefit of live updates and re-routes. There is the odd error from time to time, but so there is with my big SatNav which I use when towing the caravan.  I learned recently that SatNav systems determine traffic flow by averaging the speed that mobile phones are travelling at. 

As an aside, I bought a brilliant phone mount in Lidl, which is made of that perpetually sticky rubbery stuff. It just sits on the dash and has a slot that the phone sits in horizontally. In my S-Max it works beautifully with the phone straight in front of you, but not obscuring any of the windscreen, so that you only need to flick your eyes down briefly to assess the map and directions - no more distracting than needing to glance at the speedo, which I rarely do nowadays as I almost invariably use the speed limiter. 

I use that in preference to the cruise control, which I seriously believe should incorporate a dead man?s handle - I can?t believe that H & S ever allowed cruise controls in their present form - horrendous to think of somebody collapsing at the wheel with the cruise control set at 80mph!

Mike G

> On 4 Oct 2019, at 14:39, Chris Woolf via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Google Maps is good, but...
> 
> You have to use it on line, and that means it isn't great in areas with poor reception, or if you needing to economise on mobile data.
> 
> HERE (or Here We Go), is very close to Google Maps, and has the great advantage that it can be used off-line too. It is free, and maps are downloadable free, and cover the majority of the world. They are up-to-date and regularly updated.
> 
> I dumped my old TomTom years ago, have never regretted doing so and can't imagine why anyone would bother to pay money for navigation now.
> 
> Chris Woolf
> 
> 
> 
>> On 04/10/2019 14:05, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote:
>> Hi Geoff,
>> I can?t actually answer your question, but have an alternative that folk might like to be aware of.
>> I travel on a fairly regular basis up into various parts of London, mainly in the City area, and have found Google Maps on my iPad mini to be absolutely invaluable. I did give Waze a try, but found it gimmicky and not always up to the minute. Google Maps is always pretty reliable for road works, up to the minute traffic delays, diversions, etc. The deal I have with ?my? cameraman is that I navigate, and he drives where I tell him. It means if we?re late it?s my fault of course, but I?m used to that now.
>> I gave my rather pricey Garmin to the charity shop because it was only as good as the last software upgrade I gave it. Old technology now rendered massively redundant in my opinion, and an upgrade for it was unrealistically expensive. Ditto the fitted satnav in my Astra.
>> Google Maps ?
>> Cheers,
>> Nick.
>> Sent from my iPad mini 5
>> 
>>> On 4 Oct 2019, at 11:35, geoff.hawkes134--- via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?
>>> I?ve recently started using the car navigation app Waze by connecting my iPhone to the screen and quite like it as an alternative to my TomTom 6200.
>>> The TomTom has the advantage that you can mark your current location by touching the arrow on the screen and save it for later. I?ve not yet found out how to do that on Waze or if it?s possible. Does anyone else use Waze and if so, what do you think of it and can you help?
>>>  
>>> Geoff Hawkes
>>>  
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From phider at gmx.com  Sat Oct  5 03:50:16 2019
From: phider at gmx.com (Peter Hider)
Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2019 10:50:16 +0200
Subject: [Tech1] On screen japes and wheezes
In-Reply-To: <EC3A074D-305C-4F90-B55E-A3DB20CD1DB5@me.com>
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It didn't make it transmission but when Johnny Ball was matchin?  his animal noises to a caption sequence on Playschool, we slipped in a giraffe photo for the dress run. He used some really good post watershed language none of which resembled the noise a giraffe makes, even after 9pm.
Best
Peter

> Sent: Friday, October 04, 2019 at 10:51 AM
> From: "Alan Taylor via Tech1" <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> Subject: Re: [Tech1] On screen japes and wheezes
>
> A couple of weeks ago, Pat Heigham mentioned a prank played on newscasters.  I wondered what pranks have been instigated by crew members and appeared on BBC shows?
> 
> Here's  a couple which I was involved in.
> 
> I worked on a play called "Sudden Wrench", where a bored housewife ( Rosemary Martin ) spots a job advert for a plumbers mate and ends up working in a traditionally all-male environment.  There was a shot in a job centre where she is looking at a glass fronted display case with a grid of jobs, each  written by hand on 3x5 index cards.  Near the centre of the display, she gestures her finger towards one for "Plumber's Mate".  The prop buyer had written all the cards and I got her to write an additional one which was placed two down and one across from the desired one - it read "Decent cameraman required - must be observant and able to start immediately".  After we recorded the shot, I pointed it out to the director ( Jon Amiel ) and suggested that he might like to replace the card and shoot it again.  Jon laughed like a drain and pointed out that as nobody had spotted it in the five minutes it took to  set up the shot and shoot it, he wasn't at all concerned about it remaining in the 
>  finished programme.  That shot even briefly appeared in trails for the show.
> 
> A sunday evening serial "Bratt Farrar" revolved around point to point racing and a major scene was set in a country show where the big race is a highlight. There was a need for specific Tannoy announcements to the crowd as part of the storyline and we had to record many other trivial Tannoy messages, most of which were just background effects for atmos and continuity.  Many fictitious horses and riders were mentioned in these announcements and they all had to be cleared with the Jockey Club so that no real names were used.  I was able to interfere with the list of names before it was submitted and was delighted that my change was approved by the Jockey Club.  At one point in the background, the announcer declared that "Jeff Baker has withdrawn Dirty Jack".  
> 
> What sort pranks have you guys managed to get onto our screens?
> 
> Alan Taylor
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From mikej at bmanor.co.uk  Sat Oct  5 05:15:49 2019
From: mikej at bmanor.co.uk (Mike Jordan)
Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2019 11:15:49 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Old VHS tapes
Message-ID: <9F3DA73BD42042D8A645A6EBE9691535@Gigabyte>

What should do with ones old VHS tapes? (and possibly some old 1/4? audio)
Important ones I have dumped to DVD or HDD so have at least 20 (and more to do to clear shelves under stairs)
Council dump? Will they object? What do they count as? Find a convenient builders skip?
But NOT flytip of course!!

Mike Jordan
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Sat Oct  5 05:58:59 2019
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2019 11:58:59 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] On screen japes and wheezes
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When working as a Grams Op in the 60?s, I used to have fun on the run-throughs with Gerry Blake directing; he loved my mucking about, but one had to get it 100% right on recording/transmission!
On ?Rupert of Hentzau? our heroine (Barbara Shelley) was anxiously awaiting the return of her hero, and was pacing nervously up and down, until she hears a mantle clock striking, whereupon she goes and looks out of a window. On rehearsal, I played in a cuckoo clock which reduced her to helpless laughter!
Got into trouble on one of the first plays to be shot in colour from Studio TC6.
A World War I drama - the farmer's Army son is deployed near his dad's home, comes to visit - Dad says he'll go get a chicken for lunch, exits to farmyard, out of vision.
I played in running footsteps, chicken squawking, then a thud.
Director: "What the hell was that, Pat?" "Father killing lunch!"
"Thank you, Pat, we'll let you know!"
Best
Pat

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Peter Hider via Tech1
Sent: 05 October 2019 09:50
To: alanaudio at me.com
Cc: Tech-Ops-chit-chat
Subject: Re: [Tech1] On screen japes and wheezes

It didn't make it transmission but when Johnny Ball was matchin?  his animal noises to a caption sequence on Playschool, we slipped in a giraffe photo for the dress run. He used some really good post watershed language none of which resembled the noise a giraffe makes, even after 9pm.
Best
Peter




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From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net  Sat Oct  5 08:01:08 2019
From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt)
Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2019 14:01:08 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] On screen japes and wheezes
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There were some good japes not initiated by tech ops. One or two from the halcyon days of live Z Cars ? here?s one I remember.

Stratford Johns at a hospital bedside attempting to draw information from the seriously ill/dying occupant. Either James Ellis or Brian Blessed (can?t remember which) crawled unseen under the bed in rehearsal in the ?on all fours? position and began humping his back up and down with increasing vigour so that initial vertical disturbance of the patient increased to the point of him being virtually catapulted skywards. Keep a straight face? No chance!

Also on Z Cars, we boom operators learned to be wary of exactly where the mic was when hovering near any of the flat cap brigade. They were much given to raising their caps without warning for a head scratch, thumping the 4033 with a good thwack in the process. Mischievous behaviour was often the order of the day in rehearsals but of course everyone was utterly focused on the night so that we all coped somehow with the often hair-raising business of getting to the next set while a short bit of TK was running.

Dave Newbitt.

From: patheigham via Tech1 
Sent: Saturday, October 5, 2019 11:58 AM
To: Peter Hider 
Cc: Tech-Ops-chit-chat 
Subject: Re: [Tech1] On screen japes and wheezes

When working as a Grams Op in the 60?s, I used to have fun on the run-throughs with Gerry Blake directing; he loved my mucking about, but one had to get it 100% right on recording/transmission!

On ?Rupert of Hentzau? our heroine (Barbara Shelley) was anxiously awaiting the return of her hero, and was pacing nervously up and down, until she hears a mantle clock striking, whereupon she goes and looks out of a window. On rehearsal, I played in a cuckoo clock which reduced her to helpless laughter!

Got into trouble on one of the first plays to be shot in colour from Studio TC6.

A World War I drama - the farmer's Army son is deployed near his dad's home, comes to visit - Dad says he'll go get a chicken for lunch, exits to farmyard, out of vision.

I played in running footsteps, chicken squawking, then a thud.

Director: "What the hell was that, Pat?" "Father killing lunch!"

"Thank you, Pat, we'll let you know!"

Best

Pat

 

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From: Peter Hider via Tech1
Sent: 05 October 2019 09:50
To: alanaudio at me.com
Cc: Tech-Ops-chit-chat
Subject: Re: [Tech1] On screen japes and wheezes

 

It didn't make it transmission but when Johnny Ball was matchin?  his animal noises to a caption sequence on Playschool, we slipped in a giraffe photo for the dress run. He used some really good post watershed language none of which resembled the noise a giraffe makes, even after 9pm.

Best

Peter

 

 




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From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com  Sat Oct  5 08:18:52 2019
From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray)
Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2019 14:18:52 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] On screen japes and wheezes
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Alan Taylor wrote
> What sort pranks have you guys managed to get onto our screens?

Not so much a prank as a crew ident!

Crew 7 in the early mid-nineteen-sixties had a crew mascot - a toy duck.

This was placed in a suitable position on a set for each programme that 
we worked on - especially "dramas".


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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Sat Oct  5 08:37:34 2019
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2019 14:37:34 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] On screen japes and wheezes
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Nice ones, Dave. I seem to remember a story that some wag hid a 
stage-weight in briefcase on a desk in 'Z cars' which caused much 
hilarity when the character was supposed to pick it up and exit the set. 
Cheers, Dave


From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net  Sat Oct  5 09:16:33 2019
From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt)
Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2019 15:16:33 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] On screen japes and wheezes
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I wish my memory for exact programs was better but I remember this incident 
very clearly. Certainly a drama - I think factually based on a Swedish Bank 
robbery where many hostages were kept in the bank by the criminals. One 
aspect of the unfolding story concerned the unexpected degree of 
understanding which developed between some of the hostages and robbers.

Night time. Quiet, rather touching dialogue between female hostage and 
surprisingly sensitive robber. "Can I sit and talk with you?" he said. She 
nodded assent. Exchange of a few lines, then "would it be alright for me to 
lie here beside you and rest?". Again, assent. All this was sotto voce and 
genuinely warm and caring in tone. Then, loudly "I SUPPOSE THERE'S NO CHANCE 
OF A F...!!

Initial profound sense of shock rapidly followed by explosion of mirth. 
Actor must have been planning that for some while but played it dead 
straight right up to the moment of delivery.

Dave Newbitt.

-----Original Message----- 
From: dave.mdv
Sent: Saturday, October 5, 2019 2:37 PM
To: David Newbitt ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Tech1] On screen japes and wheezes

Nice ones, Dave. I seem to remember a story that some wag hid a
stage-weight in briefcase on a desk in 'Z cars' which caused much
hilarity when the character was supposed to pick it up and exit the set.
Cheers, Dave 



From graeme.wall at icloud.com  Sat Oct  5 10:19:30 2019
From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall)
Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2019 16:19:30 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] On screen japes and wheezes
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Something that may have been one of Pat?s. Doing a classic serial in TC4 (Mothers and Daughters?) got to the end of the episode with the cliff-hanger line from the lead actress, into closing music and roller.  On the dress we got to that point, the actress gives the line her all and the gram op plays in the theme from the Archers! Roars of laughter from the gallery but a rather miffed actress.

My favourite was one on TOTP in Studio G, Johnny Stewart's director?s credit was a silhouette of him on a tall stool above his name, the whole thing on  a TJ slide.  One of the cameramen, Roger Casstles, produced an animated caption and put it on camera 5?s caption stand at the end of the live programme.  He?d prevailed on the vision mixer to cut to 5 rather than the slide.  Wen the red light went on, Roger animated the caption and the ?director' fell off his chair.  Silence in the box and we all thought we were in for it then a little voice said plaintively ?Why do they always do it to me??.

? 
Graeme Wall


> On 5 Oct 2019, at 15:16, David Newbitt via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> I wish my memory for exact programs was better but I remember this incident very clearly. Certainly a drama - I think factually based on a Swedish Bank robbery where many hostages were kept in the bank by the criminals. One aspect of the unfolding story concerned the unexpected degree of understanding which developed between some of the hostages and robbers.
> 
> Night time. Quiet, rather touching dialogue between female hostage and surprisingly sensitive robber. "Can I sit and talk with you?" he said. She nodded assent. Exchange of a few lines, then "would it be alright for me to lie here beside you and rest?". Again, assent. All this was sotto voce and genuinely warm and caring in tone. Then, loudly "I SUPPOSE THERE'S NO CHANCE OF A F...!!
> 
> Initial profound sense of shock rapidly followed by explosion of mirth. Actor must have been planning that for some while but played it dead straight right up to the moment of delivery.
> 
> Dave Newbitt.
> 
> -----Original Message----- From: dave.mdv
> Sent: Saturday, October 5, 2019 2:37 PM
> To: David Newbitt ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> Subject: Re: [Tech1] On screen japes and wheezes
> 
> Nice ones, Dave. I seem to remember a story that some wag hid a
> stage-weight in briefcase on a desk in 'Z cars' which caused much
> hilarity when the character was supposed to pick it up and exit the set.
> Cheers, Dave 
> 
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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Sat Oct  5 19:17:47 2019
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2019 01:17:47 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Concorde
Message-ID: <33249cf6-732f-b5f1-3064-4035787fb492@btinternet.com>

The program about the fatal Concorde crash in Paris was very 
illuminating as to all the small things that contributed to the 
accident. Having flown in it from LHR to Clacton and back in a few 
minutes it brings it all back with a feeling of sadness that such a 
superb machine was downed by such a combination of bad judgements, 
accidents and just bad luck. Not cheers, Dave


From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net  Sun Oct  6 00:43:13 2019
From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt)
Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2019 06:43:13 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Concorde
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Amen to that.

Dave Newbitt

-----Original Message----- 
From: dave.mdv via Tech1 
Sent: Sunday, October 6, 2019 1:17 AM 
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk 
Subject: [Tech1] Concorde 

The program about the fatal Concorde crash in Paris was very 
illuminating as to all the small things that contributed to the 
accident. Having flown in it from LHR to Clacton and back in a few 
minutes it brings it all back with a feeling of sadness that such a 
superb machine was downed by such a combination of bad judgements, 
accidents and just bad luck. Not cheers, Dave

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From alawrance1 at me.com  Sun Oct  6 02:22:26 2019
From: alawrance1 at me.com (Alasdair Lawrance)
Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2019 08:22:26 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Clip of 'lost' Beatles Top of the Pops performance
 unearthed - BBC News
Message-ID: <AF6F7E31-0E00-4150-AFA3-760197D8A91E@me.com>

Anyone recognise the operator on this?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-47854806


Alasdair Lawrance

Don?t blame me, I voted Remain.





From billjenkin67 at gmail.com  Sun Oct  6 02:30:40 2019
From: billjenkin67 at gmail.com (Bill Jenkin)
Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2019 08:30:40 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Clip of 'lost' Beatles Top of the Pops performance
 unearthed - BBC News
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It looks like Ron Peveral to me.
Bill J

On Sun, 6 Oct 2019, 08:24 Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1, <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
wrote:

> Anyone recognise the operator on this?
>
> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-47854806
>
>
> Alasdair Lawrance
>
> Don?t blame me, I voted Remain.
>
>
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From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net  Sun Oct  6 02:44:06 2019
From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt)
Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2019 08:44:06 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Clip of 'lost' Beatles Top of the Pops performance
 unearthed - BBC News
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Agreed Bill ? unmistakeably Ron.

Dave Newbitt.

From: Bill Jenkin via Tech1 
Sent: Sunday, October 6, 2019 8:30 AM
To: Tech-Ops. co. uk email group 
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Clip of 'lost' Beatles Top of the Pops performance unearthed - BBC News

It looks like Ron Peveral to me. 
Bill J

On Sun, 6 Oct 2019, 08:24 Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1, <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

  Anyone recognise the operator on this?

  https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-47854806


  Alasdair Lawrance

  Don?t blame me, I voted Remain.




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From tonycrake at gmail.com  Sun Oct  6 05:51:47 2019
From: tonycrake at gmail.com (Tony Crake)
Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2019 11:51:47 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Concorde
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Also struck me as odd that the AIB decided to disregard all the other
things that came to light

The gross fuel intake , substantial luggage overload and the rather own
goal in the landing wheels overhaul !!

Sadly OB's never sent me to Clacton on Concorde !!!!


Tony

On Sun, 6 Oct 2019 at 06:43, David Newbitt via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
wrote:

> Amen to that.
>
> Dave Newbitt
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dave.mdv via Tech1
> Sent: Sunday, October 6, 2019 1:17 AM
> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> Subject: [Tech1] Concorde
>
> The program about the fatal Concorde crash in Paris was very
> illuminating as to all the small things that contributed to the
> accident. Having flown in it from LHR to Clacton and back in a few
> minutes it brings it all back with a feeling of sadness that such a
> superb machine was downed by such a combination of bad judgements,
> accidents and just bad luck. Not cheers, Dave
>
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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Sun Oct  6 06:44:21 2019
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2019 12:44:21 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] One of those "hole in my bucket" stories
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The other day I needed to do a voice-over for a U3A exercise. This one - 
http://www.tech-ops.co.uk/bern/U3A/bike/bike%20audio.wav . I'm not king 
of poetry voice overs, but it does the job.

Except......

Here on my left is the microphone - a Stagg knock-off of a U87 - and 
here on my right is the computer......

For the last 11 years I've worked at a university, and any sound 
recording or whatever was very easy. Now I'm back on my own. I dug in 
the back of the cupboard for the Tascam US144 that I bought lots of 
years ago. It has suitable inputs, and a USB out.? Sadly something has 
become strange with the black plastic ends and they've gone horribly 
sticky. I'm not the only one with that problem apparently - some 
duffness with the plastic.

Never mind, I plugged it into the computer USB.? Audacity can see it, so 
can W10's device manager. Can it hear it? No.? Reload the latest 
drivers. No.? Hmmm. What else do I have from earlier days. A Behringer 
UB1202FX mixer. A nice little machine, and did some good work years ago 
- but no USB. Hmmm again.

I plugged the mic into the Sony Z1 camera I got hold of for teaching, 
and recorded the voice over onto DV tape, then played it back via the 
Blackmagic Intensity Pro card in the computer and Blackmagic Media 
Express, and eventually ended up with a wav file. I think I could have 
skipped the record on tape stage, but I was now not as together and 
logical as I had been an hour or so back. A simple task gone just a 
touch mad, and taken up quite some time.

So - the Tascam is off to the recycling and the Behringer is on eBay - 
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Behringer-Eurorack-UB1202FX-audio-mixer/202791340754 
People seem to want to pay more than I would, but that's fine by me.

So that I can do this without stupidity next time, I've ordered up a 
Behringer QX1202USB - 14 years younger and with more functionality for 
around ?90. It'll see me out, as they say. It's coming from a retailer 
in Germany, and maybe after Oct 31 would cost 40% more. Or maybe not. 
Behringer build their stuff in China, so could just route the? products 
straight here, I suppose. Who knows?

At least the next voice over or whatever will be straightforward to do. 
Maybe.

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From crew13 at vincent68.plus.com  Sun Oct  6 08:03:38 2019
From: crew13 at vincent68.plus.com (John Vincent)
Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2019 14:03:38 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Concorde
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But the noise it made was dreadfull. Blame Tony Benn for giving the contract to build the basically rocket engines (Bristol Olympus?) to a company in his constituency.

The 11am take off from Heathrow shook our house when it went overhead and scared my little daughter quite badly.

John V



On 6 Oct 2019, at 11:51, Tony Crake via Tech1 wrote:

> Also struck me as odd that the AIB decided to disregard all the other things that came to light
> 
> The gross fuel intake , substantial luggage overload and the rather own goal in the landing wheels overhaul !!
> 
> Sadly OB's never sent me to Clacton on Concorde !!!!
> 
> 
> Tony
> 
> On Sun, 6 Oct 2019 at 06:43, David Newbitt via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> Amen to that.
> 
> Dave Newbitt
> 
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: dave.mdv via Tech1 
> Sent: Sunday, October 6, 2019 1:17 AM 
> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk 
> Subject: [Tech1] Concorde 
> 
> The program about the fatal Concorde crash in Paris was very 
> illuminating as to all the small things that contributed to the 
> accident. Having flown in it from LHR to Clacton and back in a few 
> minutes it brings it all back with a feeling of sadness that such a 
> superb machine was downed by such a combination of bad judgements, 
> accidents and just bad luck. Not cheers, Dave
> 
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Sun Oct  6 08:05:59 2019
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2019 14:05:59 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] On screen japes and wheezes
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Don?t think I was guilty of that one!
However a couple of others:
On Dr. Who, I did have a bit of fun with Carole Ann Ford, who was due to leave the show, as ?she had fallen for a chap on another planet? and was not going to travel with grandfather anymore. Her dialogue line: ?Oh, David, I love you, I really do!? was absolutely asking for the addition of the soupiest, schmaltziest Hollywood strings that I could find ? and she got them! It stopped the rehearsal, with her saying: ?Well, I?ve never been sent up like that before!?

Now, at Wood Norton, we had a lecture involving slides from a Carousel projector ? during the lunch break, some wag replaced one of the slides with a Playboy centrespread. Our tutor panicked and quickly moved on, protesting that he didn?t know how that got in there. From his reaction, it seemed as though he thought it was one of his, which makes one wonder a tad!

Pat


Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Graeme Wall via Tech1
Sent: 05 October 2019 16:19
To: David Newbitt
Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Tech1] On screen japes and wheezes

Something that may have been one of Pat?s. Doing a classic serial in TC4 (Mothers and Daughters?) got to the end of the episode with the cliff-hanger line from the lead actress, into closing music and roller.  On the dress we got to that point, the actress gives the line her all and the gram op plays in the theme from the Archers! Roars of laughter from the gallery but a rather miffed actress.

My favourite was one on TOTP in Studio G, Johnny Stewart's director?s credit was a silhouette of him on a tall stool above his name, the whole thing on  a TJ slide.  One of the cameramen, Roger Casstles, produced an animated caption and put it on camera 5?s caption stand at the end of the live programme.  He?d prevailed on the vision mixer to cut to 5 rather than the slide.  Wen the red light went on, Roger animated the caption and the ?director' fell off his chair.  Silence in the box and we all thought we were in for it then a little voice said plaintively ?Why do they always do it to me??.

? 
Graeme Wall





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From vernon.dyer at btinternet.com  Sun Oct  6 08:10:06 2019
From: vernon.dyer at btinternet.com (vernon.dyer)
Date: Sun, 06 Oct 2019 14:10:06 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Clip of 'lost' Beatles Top of the Pops performance
 unearthed - BBC News
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Yes, that's Ron all right; Crew 3 did some TOTPs in TC2 and then in Lime Grove G. It's a Marconi MkIV camera, so TC2, and I remember The Beatles recording a number one day, the only time I ever saw them - they trooped in in silence, did the take and were gone straightaway. Security was tight, no-one knew about it beforehand? (otherwise we'd have been besieged by fans - no way could they have appeared before a live audience).Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.-------- Original message --------From: Bill Jenkin via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> Date: 06/10/2019  08:30  (GMT+00:00) To: "Tech-Ops. co. uk email group" <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Clip of 'lost' Beatles Top of the Pops performance unearthed - BBC News It looks like Ron Peveral to me.Bill JOn Sun, 6 Oct 2019, 08:24 Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1, <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:Anyone recognise the operator on this?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-47854806


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From vernon.dyer at btinternet.com  Sun Oct  6 08:15:22 2019
From: vernon.dyer at btinternet.com (vernon.dyer)
Date: Sun, 06 Oct 2019 14:15:22 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Concorde
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..... and I remember leaving Sky Osterley at 1630 a few times as it came in to land. It was significantly noisier than any other aircraft, but what a sight!Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.-------- Original message --------From: John Vincent via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> Date: 06/10/2019  14:03  (GMT+00:00) To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Concorde But the noise it made was dreadfull. Blame Tony Benn for giving the contract to build the basically rocket engines (Bristol Olympus?) to a company in his constituency.The 11am take off from Heathrow shook our house when it went overhead and scared my little daughter quite badly.John VOn 6 Oct 2019, at 11:51, Tony Crake via Tech1 wrote:Also struck me as odd that the AIB decided to disregard all the other things that came to lightThe gross fuel intake , substantial luggage overload and the rather own goal in the landing wheels overhaul !!Sadly OB's never sent me to Clacton on Concorde !!!!TonyOn Sun, 6 Oct 2019 at 06:43, David Newbitt via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:Amen to that.

Dave Newbitt

-----Original Message----- 
From: dave.mdv via Tech1 
Sent: Sunday, October 6, 2019 1:17 AM 
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Subject: [Tech1] Concorde 

The program about the fatal Concorde crash in Paris was very 
illuminating as to all the small things that contributed to the 
accident. Having flown in it from LHR to Clacton and back in a few 
minutes it brings it all back with a feeling of sadness that such a 
superb machine was downed by such a combination of bad judgements, 
accidents and just bad luck. Not cheers, Dave

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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Sun Oct  6 08:20:10 2019
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2019 14:20:10 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Concorde
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Never had the opportunity to fly on Concorde, when one visits the test ones at Duxford and Yeovilton, it comes as a surprise how cramped inside it is.
I worked a lot for ABC Sports NY when they needed crew in Europe, and we were due to meet the producer (director) for a shoot in Paris.
Got a message that she was delayed as her flight from NY had to turn back for technical trouble, so she rebooked on Concorde. Wasn?t due in until about 1:30 a.m. so realising that she would be tired and stressed, I suggested to our cameraman that we go and pick her up at CDG. We all knew each other very well, and the delight and relief on her face when she saw us at the barrier, was worth a mountain of brownie points!
Pat
(John ? there was a film cameraman at ATV Birmingham named John Vincent, early 1970?s ? not you I guess?)

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From: John Vincent via Tech1
Sent: 06 October 2019 14:03
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Concorde

But the noise it made was dreadfull. Blame Tony Benn for giving the contract to build the basically rocket engines (Bristol Olympus?) to a company in his constituency.

The 11am take off from Heathrow shook our house when it went overhead and scared my little daughter quite badly.

John V



On 6 Oct 2019, at 11:51, Tony Crake via Tech1 wrote:


Also struck me as odd that the AIB decided to disregard all the other things that came to light

The gross fuel intake , substantial luggage overload and the rather own goal in the landing wheels overhaul !!

Sadly OB's never sent me to Clacton on Concorde !!!!


Tony

On Sun, 6 Oct 2019 at 06:43, David Newbitt via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
Amen to that.

Dave Newbitt

-----Original Message----- 
From: dave.mdv via Tech1 
Sent: Sunday, October 6, 2019 1:17 AM 
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk 
Subject: [Tech1] Concorde 

The program about the fatal Concorde crash in Paris was very 
illuminating as to all the small things that contributed to the 
accident. Having flown in it from LHR to Clacton and back in a few 
minutes it brings it all back with a feeling of sadness that such a 
superb machine was downed by such a combination of bad judgements, 
accidents and just bad luck. Not cheers, Dave

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From alawrance1 at me.com  Sun Oct  6 09:02:48 2019
From: alawrance1 at me.com (Alasdair Lawrance)
Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2019 15:02:48 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] On screen japes and wheezes
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Studio C in Cardiff was the news studio, and the gallery and studio were on the same level, with a large window between the two.

News was always panicking come Tx and whenever a new PA came in to ?change the presentation forever? sound (Alan Bunting, amongst others) would put the presenters mic through a tape machine, so that the newsreader could be seen to be out of sync with him or her self.

Everyone would swear blind it was fine -?Nothing wrong with that?, ?Looks good to me? etc., up until perhaps 30 sec before the opt-out from network?.


Alasdair Lawrance
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> On 6 Oct 2019, at 14:05, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Don?t think I was guilty of that one!
> However a couple of others:
> On Dr. Who, I did have a bit of fun with Carole Ann Ford, who was due to leave the show, as ?she had fallen for a chap on another planet? and was not going to travel with grandfather anymore. Her dialogue line: ?Oh, David, I love you, I really do!? was absolutely asking for the addition of the soupiest, schmaltziest Hollywood strings that I could find ? and she got them! It stopped the rehearsal, with her saying: ?Well, I?ve never been sent up like that before!?
>  
> Now, at Wood Norton, we had a lecture involving slides from a Carousel projector ? during the lunch break, some wag replaced one of the slides with a Playboy centrespread. Our tutor panicked and quickly moved on, protesting that he didn?t know how that got in there. From his reaction, it seemed as though he thought it was one of his, which makes one wonder a tad!
>  
> Pat
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> From: Graeme Wall via Tech1 <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> Sent: 05 October 2019 16:19
> To: David Newbitt <mailto:dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net>
> Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> Subject: Re: [Tech1] On screen japes and wheezes
>  
> Something that may have been one of Pat?s. Doing a classic serial in TC4 (Mothers and Daughters?) got to the end of the episode with the cliff-hanger line from the lead actress, into closing music and roller.  On the dress we got to that point, the actress gives the line her all and the gram op plays in the theme from the Archers! Roars of laughter from the gallery but a rather miffed actress.
>  
> My favourite was one on TOTP in Studio G, Johnny Stewart's director?s credit was a silhouette of him on a tall stool above his name, the whole thing on  a TJ slide.  One of the cameramen, Roger Casstles, produced an animated caption and put it on camera 5?s caption stand at the end of the live programme.  He?d prevailed on the vision mixer to cut to 5 rather than the slide.  Wen the red light went on, Roger animated the caption and the ?director' fell off his chair.  Silence in the box and we all thought we were in for it then a little voice said plaintively ?Why do they always do it to me??.
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Sun Oct  6 09:09:00 2019
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2019 15:09:00 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Clip of 'lost' Beatles Top of the Pops performance
 unearthed - BBC News
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Beatles on Pops & Lenny

My Beatles Story: I worked for BBC TV Tech Ops during the '60's and on a Light Entertainment crew which did "Pops & Lenny the Lion" for the kids at 5 o'clock.
Each week we used to have a pop group in to do a number - might have been Gerry & the Pacemakers, Freddie & the Dreamers - whoever.
We had a standard mic rig - covering lead, rhythm and bass guitar and drum kit, plus vocals, so it was pretty well (yawn) Oh, another lot!
I used to operate a mini-Fisher boom, located on the circle of the TV Theatre, looking after a side set on the stage apron, and during the Beatles number, for it was they, I was aware that the whole circle was vibrating. Looking round I saw that the complete teenage audience were legging it for the exits, presumably to get to the stage door.
Years later, I was recording an interview with Paul McCartney and chatting with him, told him that this had been my first exposure to The Beatles - and we had a good laugh.
Sorry that they've had their sadnesses with life and death and personal affairs, but for a couple of Liverpool lads who had their songs covered by the likes of Sinatra.....got to be good?

Pat

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From: vernon.dyer via Tech1
Sent: 06 October 2019 14:10
To: tech1
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Clip of 'lost' Beatles Top of the Pops performance unearthed - BBC News


Yes, that's Ron all right; Crew 3 did some TOTPs in TC2 and then in Lime Grove G. It's a Marconi MkIV camera, so TC2, and I remember The Beatles recording a number one day, the only time I ever saw them - they trooped in in silence, did the take and were gone straightaway. Security was tight, no-one knew about it beforehand? (otherwise we'd have been besieged by fans - no way could they have appeared before a live audience).







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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Sun Oct  6 09:19:39 2019
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2019 15:19:39 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Concorde
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I was an office worker for a while in the late nineties - didn't want to 
be, but....? Anyway, in the summer I used to try and time my ride home 
so that the 7.00pm Concorde would fly over the M4 in front of me. An 
amazing sight. Once I was there in the traffic jam with a Portuguese 
registered car in front of me.? "You don't get that in Portugal" I 
though as it burned into the sunset

B



On 06/10/2019 14:03, John Vincent via Tech1 wrote:
> But the noise it made was dreadfull. Blame Tony Benn for giving the 
> contract to build the basically rocket engines (Bristol Olympus?) to a 
> company in his constituency.
>
> The 11am take off from Heathrow shook our house when it went overhead 
> and scared my little daughter quite badly.
>
> John V
>
>
>
> On 6 Oct 2019, at 11:51, Tony Crake via Tech1 wrote:
>
>> Also struck me as odd that the AIB decided to disregard all the other 
>> things that came to light
>>
>> The gross fuel intake , substantial luggage overload and the rather 
>> own goal in the landing wheels overhaul !!
>>
>> Sadly OB's never sent me to Clacton on Concorde !!!!
>>
>>
>> Tony
>>
>> On Sun, 6 Oct 2019 at 06:43, David Newbitt via Tech1 
>> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:
>>
>>     Amen to that.
>>
>>     Dave Newbitt
>>
>>     -----Original Message-----
>>     From: dave.mdv via Tech1
>>     Sent: Sunday, October 6, 2019 1:17 AM
>>     To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
>>     Subject: [Tech1] Concorde
>>
>>     The program about the fatal Concorde crash in Paris was very
>>     illuminating as to all the small things that contributed to the
>>     accident. Having flown in it from LHR to Clacton and back in a few
>>     minutes it brings it all back with a feeling of sadness that such a
>>     superb machine was downed by such a combination of bad judgements,
>>     accidents and just bad luck. Not cheers, Dave
>>
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Sun Oct  6 09:23:44 2019
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Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2019 15:23:44 +0100
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At some stage I had a Revox 736, which had a replay head following the record head and I took it to a party of friends and challenged them to read through a piece of script whilst listening to themselves on cans, delayed. Much mirth as they staggered to a halt. However, the ladies could do it, which proves the point that they can talk and not listen!

Not exactly ?on screen japes? but occasionally I was involved in the daily ?talk-up? when all the regions were linked up in audio, to discuss the ?opt-out? cues etc.
When that was dealt with, any jokes were then exchanged, so come lunchtime in the clubs, were related over a pint. Thus new, good jokes very quickly circulated around the UK, courtesy of the BBC!

Pat

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From: Alasdair Lawrance
Sent: 06 October 2019 15:02
Subject: Re: [Tech1] On screen japes and wheezes

Studio C in Cardiff was the news studio, and the gallery and studio were on the same level, with a large window between the two.

News was always panicking come Tx and whenever a new PA came in to ?change the presentation forever? sound (Alan Bunting, amongst others) would put the presenters mic through a tape machine, so that the newsreader could be seen to be out of sync with him or her self.

Everyone would swear blind it was fine -?Nothing wrong with that?, ?Looks good to me? etc., up until perhaps 30 sec before the opt-out from network?.


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From jpn at imixmics.co.uk  Sun Oct  6 11:07:00 2019
From: jpn at imixmics.co.uk (John Nottage)
Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2019 17:07:00 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] [SPAM?] Re:  Concorde
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Noel Edmonds took 4 of us to New York and back on Concorde for a Xmas 
Special. Flying 5 star restaurant. Long day, but fun. We went to a Long 
Island shopping mall while we waited for the flight home. Ended up going 
via Glasgow due to fog at Heathrow which resulted in 2 Concordes 
together at Glasgow - one from N.Y. & one from Miami. All passengers 
were put on the Miami plane which got to Heathrow very late. I sat 
behind the Bee Gees! Because it ended up being an internal UK flight, 
they shut the bar!?? I still have a Concorde notebook or 2, but I gave 
the Concorde candle holders to some raffle.

John

On 06/10/2019 11:51, Tony Crake via Tech1 wrote:
> Also struck me as odd that the AIB decided to disregard all the other 
> things that came to light
> 
> The gross fuel intake , substantial luggage overload and the rather own 
> goal in the landing wheels overhaul !!
> 
> Sadly OB's never sent me to Clacton on Concorde !!!!
> 
> 
> Tony
> 
> On Sun, 6 Oct 2019 at 06:43, David Newbitt via Tech1 
> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:
> 
>     Amen to that.
> 
>     Dave Newbitt
> 
>     -----Original Message-----
>     From: dave.mdv via Tech1
>     Sent: Sunday, October 6, 2019 1:17 AM
>     To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
>     Subject: [Tech1] Concorde
> 
>     The program about the fatal Concorde crash in Paris was very
>     illuminating as to all the small things that contributed to the
>     accident. Having flown in it from LHR to Clacton and back in a few
>     minutes it brings it all back with a feeling of sadness that such a
>     superb machine was downed by such a combination of bad judgements,
>     accidents and just bad luck. Not cheers, Dave
> 
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From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk  Sun Oct  6 11:27:54 2019
From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf)
Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2019 17:27:54 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Concorde
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Not sure that an after-burning engine can really be described as a 
rocket, but yes, they the (air-breathing) early Olympus engine was very 
loud and thirsty.

The reheat was only required because the engine couldn't produce the 
thrust needed for take-off and transition to supersonic. There was a 
later version of Olympus that could manage without reheat but it was 
never used because Concorde sales were so poor.

That really wasn't surprising. Besides the ground noise, the bang was a 
massive irritation to those of us who lived near the Western coast, and 
though sweet to look at , it was a stupidly expensive way to transport 
people, and did terrible damage to the environment. A great pity it had 
to die the way it did, but frankly a boon for the world as a whole.

Although Boeing have dipped their super (and hyper) sonic toes in the 
atmosphere several times I suspect the massive damage done to their 
business by the 737Max may dissuade them from being so silly for quite a 
few more years.

Chris Woolf


On 06/10/2019 14:03, John Vincent via Tech1 wrote:
> But the noise it made was dreadfull. Blame Tony Benn for giving the 
> contract to build the basically rocket engines (Bristol Olympus?) to a 
> company in his constituency.
>
> The 11am take off from Heathrow shook our house when it went overhead 
> and scared my little daughter quite badly.
>
> John V
>
>
>
> On 6 Oct 2019, at 11:51, Tony Crake via Tech1 wrote:
>
>> Also struck me as odd that the AIB decided to disregard all the other 
>> things that came to light
>>
>> The gross fuel intake , substantial luggage overload and the rather 
>> own goal in the landing wheels overhaul !!
>>
>> Sadly OB's never sent me to Clacton on Concorde !!!!
>>
>>
>> Tony
>>
>> On Sun, 6 Oct 2019 at 06:43, David Newbitt via Tech1 
>> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:
>>
>>     Amen to that.
>>
>>     Dave Newbitt
>>
>>     -----Original Message-----
>>     From: dave.mdv via Tech1
>>     Sent: Sunday, October 6, 2019 1:17 AM
>>     To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
>>     Subject: [Tech1] Concorde
>>
>>     The program about the fatal Concorde crash in Paris was very
>>     illuminating as to all the small things that contributed to the
>>     accident. Having flown in it from LHR to Clacton and back in a few
>>     minutes it brings it all back with a feeling of sadness that such a
>>     superb machine was downed by such a combination of bad judgements,
>>     accidents and just bad luck. Not cheers, Dave
>>
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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Sun Oct  6 12:51:30 2019
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2019 18:51:30 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] [SPAM?] Re: Concorde
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.. and I heard from John King (the under-employed Lighting EM on the 
trip, that you presented him with an over-run chit before the plane 
landed, and he told you what to do with it! I hope it wasn't too 
painful! Cheers, Dave


From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Sun Oct  6 12:53:17 2019
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2019 18:53:17 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Usual December Drinks etc
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... is a new electric razor on your Christmas list, Howard? Cheers, Dave


From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Sun Oct  6 12:55:00 2019
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2019 18:55:00 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] On screen japes and wheezes
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Nice one, Pat, only you could out-do yourself! Cheers, Dave


From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Sun Oct  6 13:01:37 2019
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2019 19:01:37 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Out-of-sync
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There was a news item on Sky News a couple of days ago (from HK) that 
was so far out that a blind man would have noticed it! Cheers, Dave, 
(think about it!)


From waresound at msn.com  Sun Oct  6 13:02:56 2019
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2019 18:02:56 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] On screen japes and wheezes
Message-ID: <VI1P192MB02715D931F5EB5CDA52E662DA7980@VI1P192MB0271.EURP192.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

?Haven?t I heard this story somewhere before, or am I stuck in a Dr Who time warp?
Oh, and was the saucy slide taken from your complete set of Playboy mags., all neatly bound to look like a shelf of Encyclopedia Britannicas?
Nick.
Sent from my iPad mini 5

On 6 Oct 2019, at 14:06, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

?
Don?t think I was guilty of that one!
However a couple of others:
On Dr. Who, I did have a bit of fun with Carole Ann Ford, who was due to leave the show, as ?she had fallen for a chap on another planet? and was not going to travel with grandfather anymore. Her dialogue line: ?Oh, David, I love you, I really do!? was absolutely asking for the addition of the soupiest, schmaltziest Hollywood strings that I could find ? and she got them! It stopped the rehearsal, with her saying: ?Well, I?ve never been sent up like that before!?

Now, at Wood Norton, we had a lecture involving slides from a Carousel projector ? during the lunch break, some wag replaced one of the slides with a Playboy centrespread. Our tutor panicked and quickly moved on, protesting that he didn?t know how that got in there. From his reaction, it seemed as though he thought it was one of his, which makes one wonder a tad!

Pat


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From: Graeme Wall via Tech1<mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
Sent: 05 October 2019 16:19
To: David Newbitt<mailto:dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net>
Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk<mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [Tech1] On screen japes and wheezes

Something that may have been one of Pat?s. Doing a classic serial in TC4 (Mothers and Daughters?) got to the end of the episode with the cliff-hanger line from the lead actress, into closing music and roller.  On the dress we got to that point, the actress gives the line her all and the gram op plays in the theme from the Archers! Roars of laughter from the gallery but a rather miffed actress.

My favourite was one on TOTP in Studio G, Johnny Stewart's director?s credit was a silhouette of him on a tall stool above his name, the whole thing on  a TJ slide.  One of the cameramen, Roger Casstles, produced an animated caption and put it on camera 5?s caption stand at the end of the live programme.  He?d prevailed on the vision mixer to cut to 5 rather than the slide.  Wen the red light went on, Roger animated the caption and the ?director' fell off his chair.  Silence in the box and we all thought we were in for it then a little voice said plaintively ?Why do they always do it to me??.

?
Graeme Wall





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From neil at dormand.eclipse.co.uk  Sun Oct  6 13:05:19 2019
From: neil at dormand.eclipse.co.uk (Neil Dormand)
Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2019 19:05:19 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Clip of 'lost' Beatles Top of the Pops performance
 unearthed - BBC News
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Definitely Ron.

 

Neil

 

From: Tech1 [mailto:tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk] On Behalf Of Bill Jenkin via Tech1
Sent: 06 October 2019 08:31
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Subject: Re: [Tech1] Clip of 'lost' Beatles Top of the Pops performance unearthed - BBC News

 

It looks like Ron Peveral to me.

Bill J

 

On Sun, 6 Oct 2019, 08:24 Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1, <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

Anyone recognise the operator on this?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-47854806


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From paul at pgtmedia.co.uk  Sun Oct  6 15:02:43 2019
From: paul at pgtmedia.co.uk (Paul Thackray)
Date: Sun, 06 Oct 2019 21:02:43 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Out-of-sync
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Why would a seller of screens for a window, especially one on a roller or made of slats have a problem with sync?


Paul Thackray

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There was a news item on Sky News a couple of days ago (from HK) that
was so far out that a blind man would have noticed it! Cheers, Dave,
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From vernon.dyer at btinternet.com  Sun Oct  6 16:06:11 2019
From: vernon.dyer at btinternet.com (Vernon Dyer)
Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2019 22:06:11 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Out-of-sync
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Well, we?ve just had a new blind fitted, and he had an awkward reach over the kitchen sync!

(I?ll get me coat  .....)

Vern 

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Why would a seller of screens for a window, especially one on a roller or made of slats have a problem with sync?


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There was a news item on Sky News a couple of days ago (from HK) that
was so far out that a blind man would have noticed it! Cheers, Dave,
(think about it!)

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From mibridge at mac.com  Sun Oct  6 17:14:49 2019
From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles)
Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2019 23:14:49 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Out-of-sync
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I trust that you had the pluge in the sync.

Mike G

> On 6 Oct 2019, at 22:06, Vernon Dyer via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Sun Oct  6 18:22:59 2019
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2019 00:22:59 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Out-of-sync
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Isn't it amazing how low people can sink in their so-called humour? 
Cheers, Dave


From phider at gmx.com  Sun Oct  6 18:37:43 2019
From: phider at gmx.com (phider)
Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2019 00:37:43 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] On screen japes and wheezes
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Z cars had its hilarious moments. Fancy and Jock were riding the Ford Zephyr to the crime scene. The Eidophor of the passing streets had been cued too early and as the end leader ran out Brian Blessed said "It gets dark quickly these days." As the following TK insert had also run early and finished, as they got out the car the floor manager told them to get back in and do the scene again while TK rewound. Happy days.?Live Softly Softly saw Alan Stratford Johns (a particularly nice bloke by the way) open the Pub door to leave only to find camera 5 waiting to come in. He turned to Frank Windsor and said "It'll be quieter if we leave by the back door."And who remembers Marius Goring and Victor Winding in the Physicists completing the dress-run of an episode in full drag but playing it straight. His long red wig matched his red beard perfectly.I hope the kids have as much fun as we did.Best?Peter HiderSent from Samsung Mobile on O2
-------- Original message --------From: David Newbitt <dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net> Date: 05/10/2019  14:01  (GMT+00:00) To: patheigham <pat.heigham at amps.net>, Peter Hider <phider at gmx.com> Cc: Tech-Ops-chit-chat <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> Subject: Re: [Tech1] On screen japes and wheezes 


There were some good japes not initiated by tech ops. One or two from the 
halcyon days of live Z Cars ? here?s one I remember.
?
Stratford Johns at a hospital bedside attempting to draw information from 
the seriously ill/dying occupant. Either James Ellis or Brian Blessed (can?t 
remember which) crawled unseen under the bed in rehearsal in the ?on all fours? 
position and began humping his back up and down with increasing vigour so that 
initial vertical disturbance of the patient increased to the point of him being 
virtually catapulted skywards. Keep a straight face? No chance!
?
Also on Z Cars, we boom operators learned to be wary of exactly where the 
mic was when hovering near any of the flat cap brigade. They were much given to 
raising their caps without warning for a head scratch, thumping the 4033 with a 
good thwack in the process. Mischievous behaviour was often the order of the day 
in rehearsals but of course everyone was utterly focused on the night so that we 
all coped somehow with the often hair-raising business of getting to the next 
set while a short bit of TK was running.
?
Dave Newbitt.


?

From: patheigham via Tech1 
Sent: Saturday, October 5, 2019 11:58 AM
To: Peter Hider 
Cc: Tech-Ops-chit-chat 
Subject: Re: [Tech1] On screen japes and wheezes
?


When working as a Grams Op in the 60?s, I used to have fun on 
the run-throughs with Gerry Blake directing; he loved my mucking about, but one 
had to get it 100% right on recording/transmission!
On ?Rupert of Hentzau? our heroine (Barbara Shelley) was 
anxiously awaiting the return of her hero, and was pacing nervously up and down, 
until she hears a mantle clock striking, whereupon she goes and looks out of a 
window. On rehearsal, I played in a cuckoo clock which reduced her to helpless 
laughter!
Got into trouble on one of the first plays to be shot in 
colour from Studio TC6.
A World War I drama - the farmer's Army son is deployed near 
his dad's home, comes to visit - Dad says he'll go get a chicken for lunch, 
exits to farmyard, out of vision.
I played in running footsteps, chicken squawking, then a 
thud.
Director: "What the hell was that, Pat?" "Father killing 
lunch!"
"Thank you, Pat, we'll let you know!"
Best
Pat
?
Sent from Mail for Windows 
10
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alanaudio at me.comCc: 
Tech-Ops-chit-chatSubject: Re: [Tech1] On screen japes and 
wheezes
?
It didn't make it transmission but when Johnny Ball was 
matchin?? his animal noises to a caption sequence on Playschool, we slipped 
in a giraffe photo for the dress run. He used some really good post watershed 
language none of which resembled the noise a giraffe makes, even after 9pm.
Best
Peter
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From phider at gmx.com  Sun Oct  6 18:58:15 2019
From: phider at gmx.com (phider)
Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2019 00:58:15 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] On screen japes and wheezes
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Sorry, not the Physicists but the Expert.PeterSent from Samsung Mobile on O2
-------- Original message --------From: phider <phider at gmx.com> Date: 07/10/2019  00:37  (GMT+00:00) To: David Newbitt <dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net>, patheigham <pat.heigham at amps.net> Cc: Tech-Ops-chit-chat <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> Subject: Re: [Tech1] On screen japes and wheezes Z cars had its hilarious moments. Fancy and Jock were riding the Ford Zephyr to the crime scene. The Eidophor of the passing streets had been cued too early and as the end leader ran out Brian Blessed said "It gets dark quickly these days." As the following TK insert had also run early and finished, as they got out the car the floor manager told them to get back in and do the scene again while TK rewound. Happy days.?Live Softly Softly saw Alan Stratford Johns (a particularly nice bloke by the way) open the Pub door to leave only to find camera 5 waiting to come in. He turned to Frank Windsor and said "It'll be quieter if we leave by the back door."And who remembers Marius Goring and Victor Winding in the Physicists completing the dress-run of an episode in full drag but playing it straight. His long red wig matched his red beard perfectly.I hope the kids have as much fun as we did.Best?Peter HiderSent from Samsung Mobile on O2
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From mibridge at mac.com  Mon Oct  7 04:00:08 2019
From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles)
Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2019 10:00:08 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] On screen japes and wheezes
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As an oik from the sticks, I was getting to know the London ropes during the first month of my Sound Training course by working on the floor and was on a boom during a Softly. Frank Windsor, I believe, had been involved in some fracas which required medical examination - when the doctor opened his shirt, he was wearing a plastic torso of significant proportions and Stratford Johns who was also in the cubicle made some pithy remark at which the whole floor collapsed - must have been a nightmare for the PA trying to keep timings!

Mike G



> On 7 Oct 2019, at 00:38, phider via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Z cars had its hilarious moments. Fancy and Jock were riding the Ford Zephyr to the crime scene. The Eidophor of the passing streets had been cued too early and as the end leader ran out Brian Blessed said "It gets dark quickly these days." As the following TK insert had also run early and finished, as they got out the car the floor manager told them to get back in and do the scene again while TK rewound. Happy days. 
> Live Softly Softly saw Alan Stratford Johns (a particularly nice bloke by the way) open the Pub door to leave only to find camera 5 waiting to come in. He turned to Frank Windsor and said "It'll be quieter if we leave by the back door."
> And who remembers Marius Goring and Victor Winding in the Physicists completing the dress-run of an episode in full drag but playing it straight. His long red wig matched his red beard perfectly.
> I hope the kids have as much fun as we did.
> Best 
> Peter Hider
> 
> 
> Sent from Samsung Mobile on O2
> 
> -------- Original message --------
> From: David Newbitt <dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net>
> Date: 05/10/2019 14:01 (GMT+00:00)
> To: patheigham <pat.heigham at amps.net>, Peter Hider <phider at gmx.com>
> Cc: Tech-Ops-chit-chat <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> Subject: Re: [Tech1] On screen japes and wheezes
> 
> There were some good japes not initiated by tech ops. One or two from the halcyon days of live Z Cars ? here?s one I remember.
>  
> Stratford Johns at a hospital bedside attempting to draw information from the seriously ill/dying occupant. Either James Ellis or Brian Blessed (can?t remember which) crawled unseen under the bed in rehearsal in the ?on all fours? position and began humping his back up and down with increasing vigour so that initial vertical disturbance of the patient increased to the point of him being virtually catapulted skywards. Keep a straight face? No chance!
>  
> Also on Z Cars, we boom operators learned to be wary of exactly where the mic was when hovering near any of the flat cap brigade. They were much given to raising their caps without warning for a head scratch, thumping the 4033 with a good thwack in the process. Mischievous behaviour was often the order of the day in rehearsals but of course everyone was utterly focused on the night so that we all coped somehow with the often hair-raising business of getting to the next set while a short bit of TK was running.
>  
> Dave Newbitt.
>  
> From: patheigham via Tech1
> Sent: Saturday, October 5, 2019 11:58 AM
> To: Peter Hider
> Cc: Tech-Ops-chit-chat
> Subject: Re: [Tech1] On screen japes and wheezes
>  
> When working as a Grams Op in the 60?s, I used to have fun on the run-throughs with Gerry Blake directing; he loved my mucking about, but one had to get it 100% right on recording/transmission!
> 
> On ?Rupert of Hentzau? our heroine (Barbara Shelley) was anxiously awaiting the return of her hero, and was pacing nervously up and down, until she hears a mantle clock striking, whereupon she goes and looks out of a window. On rehearsal, I played in a cuckoo clock which reduced her to helpless laughter!
> 
> Got into trouble on one of the first plays to be shot in colour from Studio TC6.
> 
> A World War I drama - the farmer's Army son is deployed near his dad's home, comes to visit - Dad says he'll go get a chicken for lunch, exits to farmyard, out of vision.
> 
> I played in running footsteps, chicken squawking, then a thud.
> 
> Director: "What the hell was that, Pat?" "Father killing lunch!"
> 
> "Thank you, Pat, we'll let you know!"
> 
> Best
> 
> Pat
> 
>  
> 
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
> 
>  
> 
> From: Peter Hider via Tech1
> Sent: 05 October 2019 09:50
> To: alanaudio at me.com
> Cc: Tech-Ops-chit-chat
> Subject: Re: [Tech1] On screen japes and wheezes
> 
>  
> 
> It didn't make it transmission but when Johnny Ball was matchin?  his animal noises to a caption sequence on Playschool, we slipped in a giraffe photo for the dress run. He used some really good post watershed language none of which resembled the noise a giraffe makes, even after 9pm.
> 
> Best
> 
> Peter
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> 
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From dave at davesound.co.uk  Mon Oct  7 05:06:06 2019
From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman)
Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2019 11:06:06 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Concorde
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In article <9F1CD8AE-7410-4ED6-A551-B8D3EC193685 at vincent68.plus.com>,
   John Vincent via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> But the noise it made was dreadfull. Blame Tony Benn for giving the
> contract to build the basically rocket engines (Bristol Olympus?) to a
> company in his constituency.

> The 11am take off from Heathrow shook our house when it went overhead
> and scared my little daughter quite badly.

Working at Teddington Studios (Thames) it was the only aircraft we had to
stop recording for.

IIRC< the engines were military spec jets. Where noise not a
consideration.  

It was certainly a marvellous engineering achievement. But essentially a
rich man's toy. I worry that the HS railway lines may end up the same.

-- 
*60-year-old, one owner - needs parts, make offer

    Dave Plowman     dave at davesound.co.uk     London SW 12
    


From billjenkin67 at gmail.com  Mon Oct  7 06:10:52 2019
From: billjenkin67 at gmail.com (Bill Jenkin)
Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2019 12:10:52 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Concorde
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The day they announced that Concorde was to be no more I happened to be
doing a recording with (Sir) David Frost. Knowing that he used it regularly
I asked him if he would miss it. He said yes but that he only ever used it
if someone else was paying.
Bill J

On Mon, 7 Oct 2019, 11:14 Dave Plowman via Tech1, <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
wrote:

> In article <9F1CD8AE-7410-4ED6-A551-B8D3EC193685 at vincent68.plus.com>,
>    John Vincent via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> > But the noise it made was dreadfull. Blame Tony Benn for giving the
> > contract to build the basically rocket engines (Bristol Olympus?) to a
> > company in his constituency.
>
> > The 11am take off from Heathrow shook our house when it went overhead
> > and scared my little daughter quite badly.
>
> Working at Teddington Studios (Thames) it was the only aircraft we had to
> stop recording for.
>
> IIRC< the engines were military spec jets. Where noise not a
> consideration.
>
> It was certainly a marvellous engineering achievement. But essentially a
> rich man's toy. I worry that the HS railway lines may end up the same.
>
> --
> *60-year-old, one owner - needs parts, make offer
>
>     Dave Plowman     dave at davesound.co.uk     London SW 12
>
>
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From alanaudio at me.com  Mon Oct  7 06:26:50 2019
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2019 12:26:50 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Concorde
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I have two Concorde stories which don't involve me getting inside Concorde at all.

The BBC were doing a week of programmes behind the scenes at Heathrow.  After the excitement of interviewing the man who repaired the luggage trolleys, were were shooting a scripted story about how B.A.'s computer system could handle all the intricacies of planning obscure routes and booking stopovers if a flight were delayed or re-routed.  The location they chose to shoot this was at the last check-in desk at the end of terminal 4.  As it happened, Concorde was parked just outside the window and passengers were in the departure lounge, the Concorde check-in was adjacent to the desk we were using and was closing as we were setting up.  Passengers started boarding while we shot the first shot of our story.

Soon after we started recording our sequence, we became aware of a guy who was running the entire length of terminal 4, his coat flying open and carrying just a small bag. He arrived breathless at the now closed Concorde check-in and explained to the check-in girl that he had just received a call saying that his father was critically ill in New York and was unlikely to live for more than a few hours. He was desperate to get to New York as quickly as possible and begged to be allowed onto the plane whatever the cost.  The lady explained that the gate had shut some time ago, but understood his urgency and made a phone call to see if anything could be done under the circumstances, but warned him that it was unlikely.

All of this exchange was done at quite a loud volume and we clearly heard every word of it on our microphones, our establishing shot had shown him running towards us.  I gestured to our director, indicating that the whole story so far was on tape and that we should switch to covering that story as it was such an amazing story.  The director explained that she was given the task of shooting this story about the computer and there would be hell to pay if she didn't complete it.  I was gobsmacked, but had no choice other than to continue with our story.

After her phone call, the check-in girl said that the best course of action would be to process his ticket and take payment for it, adding that if it didn't come to anything, it would be cancelled and fully refunded.  He readily agreed and as they finished the paperwork, her phone rang and she was told that he could be allowed on the flight after all.  Somebody appeared from behind the check-in desk and gestured him to follow her.  He sort of scampered over that short luggage conveyer belt by the desk and she led him into the depths of the terminal.

By then, the door to Concorde had closed, but we noticed the steps being returned to the aircraft and sure enough, our man was seen running up the steps and getting onto the plane.  The doors closed once more and the aircraft soon moved off. The woman who had escorted him from behind the desk waved as he boarded the plane and he waved a heartfelt thank you in return.

We shot exactly none of this.  The director insisted on continuing with our rather tedious story and by the time we had finished the last shot of the sequence, I imagine that our guy was hailing a cab in New York.  The whole story played out like some sort of advert dreamt up my Saatchi and Saatchi, but it was real life.  I'm disappointed that the director could have rejected what would have been the most memorable human interest story of the entire week.  Myself and the cameraman felt convinced from quite an early stage that we should have gone with that Concorde story and resumed our planned story afterwards.

The second one was during the shooting of The Tripods in '83, one location we used was a tunnel within a stone quarry in Somerset.  The strange thing was that the tunnel had a truly massive steel door which was acoustically treated, while the walls of the tunnel were also treated in a similar fashion.  Think of the look of the walls of a bare studio, as often seen on the Old Grey Whistle test, but imagine it scaled up by an order of magnitude or two.  It turned out that the tunnels were used for continuous running tests while developing the Olympus engines prior to them being used on Concorde.  There had been some pretty extreme ventilation equipment installed at the time, but that had long since been removed.

Alan Taylor





On 7 Oct 2019, at 7 Oct . 11:06, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

> In article <9F1CD8AE-7410-4ED6-A551-B8D3EC193685 at vincent68.plus.com>,
>   John Vincent via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> But the noise it made was dreadfull. Blame Tony Benn for giving the
>> contract to build the basically rocket engines (Bristol Olympus?) to a
>> company in his constituency.
> 
>> The 11am take off from Heathrow shook our house when it went overhead
>> and scared my little daughter quite badly.
> 
> Working at Teddington Studios (Thames) it was the only aircraft we had to
> stop recording for.
> 
> IIRC< the engines were military spec jets. Where noise not a
> consideration.  
> 
> It was certainly a marvellous engineering achievement. But essentially a
> rich man's toy. I worry that the HS railway lines may end up the same.
> 
> -- 
> *60-year-old, one owner - needs parts, make offer
> 
>    Dave Plowman     dave at davesound.co.uk     London SW 12
> 
> 
> -- 
> Tech1 mailing list
> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk



From david.beer at talktalk.net  Mon Oct  7 06:27:37 2019
From: david.beer at talktalk.net (David Beer)
Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2019 12:27:37 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] On screen japes and wheezes
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Will any of you SA's own up to gram-opping on the Man Alive series? When 
for the early rehearsals of the intros to some very sensitive subjects, 
the gram op would play some very non-pc music instead of the Man Alive 
title music. Two I recall were for a programme on incest we had 'Thank 
Heaven for Little Girls' and for anorexia it was of course 'Food 
Glorious Food'! Presenter Michael Dean was usually amused. Couldn't get 
away with it these days.

Dave B

On 07/10/2019 10:00, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote:
> As an oik from the sticks, I was getting to know the London ropes 
> during the first month of my Sound Training course by working on the 
> floor and was on a boom during a Softly. Frank Windsor, I believe, had 
> been involved in some fracas which required medical examination - when 
> the doctor opened his shirt, he was wearing a plastic torso of 
> significant proportions and Stratford Johns who was also in the 
> cubicle made some pithy remark at which the whole floor collapsed - 
> must have been a nightmare for the PA trying to keep timings!
>
> Mike G
>
>
>
>> On 7 Oct 2019, at 00:38, phider via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> ?
>> Z cars had its hilarious moments. Fancy and Jock were riding the Ford 
>> Zephyr to the crime scene. The Eidophor of the passing streets had 
>> been cued too early and as the end leader ran out Brian Blessed said 
>> "It gets dark quickly these days." As the following TK insert had 
>> also run early and finished, as they got out the car the floor 
>> manager told them to get back in and do the scene again while TK 
>> rewound. Happy days.
>> Live Softly Softly saw Alan Stratford Johns (a particularly nice 
>> bloke by the way) open the Pub door to leave only to find camera 5 
>> waiting to come in. He turned to Frank Windsor and said "It'll be 
>> quieter if we leave by the back door."
>> And who remembers Marius Goring and Victor Winding in the Physicists 
>> completing the dress-run of an episode in full drag but playing it 
>> straight. His long red wig matched his red beard perfectly.
>> I hope the kids have as much fun as we did.
>> Best
>> Peter Hider
>>
>>
>> Sent from Samsung Mobile on O2
>>
>> -------- Original message --------
>> From: David Newbitt <dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net>
>> Date: 05/10/2019 14:01 (GMT+00:00)
>> To: patheigham <pat.heigham at amps.net>, Peter Hider <phider at gmx.com>
>> Cc: Tech-Ops-chit-chat <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] On screen japes and wheezes
>>
>> There were some good japes not initiated by tech ops. One or two from 
>> the halcyon days of live Z Cars ? here?s one I remember.
>> Stratford Johns at a hospital bedside attempting to draw information 
>> from the seriously ill/dying occupant. Either James Ellis or Brian 
>> Blessed (can?t remember which) crawled unseen under the bed in 
>> rehearsal in the ?on all fours? position and began humping his back 
>> up and down with increasing vigour so that initial vertical 
>> disturbance of the patient increased to the point of him being 
>> virtually catapulted skywards. Keep a straight face? No chance!
>> Also on Z Cars, we boom operators learned to be wary of exactly where 
>> the mic was when hovering near any of the flat cap brigade. They were 
>> much given to raising their caps without warning for a head scratch, 
>> thumping the 4033 with a good thwack in the process. Mischievous 
>> behaviour was often the order of the day in rehearsals but of course 
>> everyone was utterly focused on the night so that we all coped 
>> somehow with the often hair-raising business of getting to the next 
>> set while a short bit of TK was running.
>> Dave Newbitt.
>> *From:* patheigham via Tech1
>> *Sent:* Saturday, October 5, 2019 11:58 AM
>> *To:* Peter Hider
>> *Cc:* Tech-Ops-chit-chat
>> *Subject:* Re: [Tech1] On screen japes and wheezes
>>
>> When working as a Grams Op in the 60?s, I used to have fun on the 
>> run-throughs with Gerry Blake directing; he loved my mucking about, 
>> but one had to get it 100% right on recording/transmission!
>>
>> On ?Rupert of Hentzau? our heroine (Barbara Shelley) was anxiously 
>> awaiting the return of her hero, and was pacing nervously up and 
>> down, until she hears a mantle clock striking, whereupon she goes and 
>> looks out of a window. On rehearsal, I played in a cuckoo clock which 
>> reduced her to helpless laughter!
>>
>> Got into trouble on one of the first plays to be shot in colour from 
>> Studio TC6.
>>
>> A World War I drama - the farmer's Army son is deployed near his 
>> dad's home, comes to visit - Dad says he'll go get a chicken for 
>> lunch, exits to farmyard, out of vision.
>>
>> I played in running footsteps, chicken squawking, then a thud.
>>
>> Director: "What the hell was that, Pat?" "Father killing lunch!"
>>
>> "Thank you, Pat, we'll let you know!"
>>
>> Best
>>
>> Pat
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>> *From: *Peter Hider via Tech1
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>> It didn't make it transmission but when Johnny Ball was matchin?? his 
>> animal noises to a caption sequence on Playschool, we slipped in a 
>> giraffe photo for the dress run. He used some really good post 
>> watershed language none of which resembled the noise a giraffe makes, 
>> even after 9pm.
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From: relong at btinternet.com (Roger E Long)
Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2019 13:26:04 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] On screen japes and wheezes
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On my first induction to TV studios and a Mole boom in the Grove after xfer from Bush House I managed to hit' George Dixon' on the forehead with a 4033 when he did an unexpected rise from the station sergeants desk, he was very gracious for my grovelling apology.
On my first night shoot for Z Cars in Ealing I managed to get a whole ElectroVoice EV642 gun mic (at least 24 ? long, 6?wide, buff green foam gag)   in shot and nobody noticed ,even on TX.
I did many Softly Softly film shoots without apparent disgrace.
Nighters were good earners.
For some weird reason we were Day Workers, so it was all overtime.

Roger

> On 7 Oct 2019, at 10:00, Mike Giles via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> As an oik from the sticks, I was getting to know the London ropes during the first month of my Sound Training course by working on the floor and was on a boom during a Softly. Frank Windsor, I believe, had been involved in some fracas which required medical examination - when the doctor opened his shirt, he was wearing a plastic torso of significant proportions and Stratford Johns who was also in the cubicle made some pithy remark at which the whole floor collapsed - must have been a nightmare for the PA trying to keep timings!
> 
> Mike G
> 
> 
> 
>> On 7 Oct 2019, at 00:38, phider via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> ?
>> Z cars had its hilarious moments. Fancy and Jock were riding the Ford Zephyr to the crime scene. The Eidophor of the passing streets had been cued too early and as the end leader ran out Brian Blessed said "It gets dark quickly these days." As the following TK insert had also run early and finished, as they got out the car the floor manager told them to get back in and do the scene again while TK rewound. Happy days. 
>> Live Softly Softly saw Alan Stratford Johns (a particularly nice bloke by the way) open the Pub door to leave only to find camera 5 waiting to come in. He turned to Frank Windsor and said "It'll be quieter if we leave by the back door."
>> And who remembers Marius Goring and Victor Winding in the Physicists completing the dress-run of an episode in full drag but playing it straight. His long red wig matched his red beard perfectly.
>> I hope the kids have as much fun as we did.
>> Best 
>> Peter Hider
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from Samsung Mobile on O2
>> 
>> -------- Original message --------
>> From: David Newbitt <dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net>
>> Date: 05/10/2019 14:01 (GMT+00:00)
>> To: patheigham <pat.heigham at amps.net>, Peter Hider <phider at gmx.com>
>> Cc: Tech-Ops-chit-chat <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] On screen japes and wheezes
>> 
>> There were some good japes not initiated by tech ops. One or two from the halcyon days of live Z Cars ? here?s one I remember.
>>  
>> Stratford Johns at a hospital bedside attempting to draw information from the seriously ill/dying occupant. Either James Ellis or Brian Blessed (can?t remember which) crawled unseen under the bed in rehearsal in the ?on all fours? position and began humping his back up and down with increasing vigour so that initial vertical disturbance of the patient increased to the point of him being virtually catapulted skywards. Keep a straight face? No chance!
>>  
>> Also on Z Cars, we boom operators learned to be wary of exactly where the mic was when hovering near any of the flat cap brigade. They were much given to raising their caps without warning for a head scratch, thumping the 4033 with a good thwack in the process. Mischievous behaviour was often the order of the day in rehearsals but of course everyone was utterly focused on the night so that we all coped somehow with the often hair-raising business of getting to the next set while a short bit of TK was running.
>>  
>> Dave Newbitt.
>>  
>> From: patheigham via Tech1 <>
>> Sent: Saturday, October 5, 2019 11:58 AM
>> To: Peter Hider <>
>> Cc: Tech-Ops-chit-chat <>
>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] On screen japes and wheezes
>>  
>> When working as a Grams Op in the 60?s, I used to have fun on the run-throughs with Gerry Blake directing; he loved my mucking about, but one had to get it 100% right on recording/transmission!
>> 
>> On ?Rupert of Hentzau? our heroine (Barbara Shelley) was anxiously awaiting the return of her hero, and was pacing nervously up and down, until she hears a mantle clock striking, whereupon she goes and looks out of a window. On rehearsal, I played in a cuckoo clock which reduced her to helpless laughter!
>> 
>> Got into trouble on one of the first plays to be shot in colour from Studio TC6.
>> 
>> A World War I drama - the farmer's Army son is deployed near his dad's home, comes to visit - Dad says he'll go get a chicken for lunch, exits to farmyard, out of vision.
>> 
>> I played in running footsteps, chicken squawking, then a thud.
>> 
>> Director: "What the hell was that, Pat?" "Father killing lunch!"
>> 
>> "Thank you, Pat, we'll let you know!"
>> 
>> Best
>> 
>> Pat
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10
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>> From: Peter Hider via Tech1 <>
>> Sent: 05 October 2019 09:50
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>> Cc: Tech-Ops-chit-chat <>
>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] On screen japes and wheezes
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> It didn't make it transmission but when Johnny Ball was matchin?  his animal noises to a caption sequence on Playschool, we slipped in a giraffe photo for the dress run. He used some really good post watershed language none of which resembled the noise a giraffe makes, even after 9pm.
>> 
>> Best
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Mon Oct  7 07:46:36 2019
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2019 13:46:36 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] On screen japes and wheezes
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Of course, many outtakes survived for the BBC Christmas tapes, and when I freelanced for ATV Birmingham, I was pressed to stay on for their Film Unit Christmas booze-up and screening of the ?goofs?. I was delighted to see that they operated the same idea. I recall that at the time, all was 16mm, but cannot remember if the projector was doubleheaded, or that the film had been striped and re-recorded.
In staying an extra night, I had to fork out for my hotel room (in the Midland), as it was over and above my week with ATV. A sweetheart of a PA, whom everyone fancied madly, gave me a lift in her Mini, and to this day I wonder if she might have stayed!
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From: Mike Giles
Sent: 07 October 2019 10:00
To: phider
Cc: David Newbitt; patheigham; Tech-Ops-chit-chat
Subject: Re: [Tech1] On screen japes and wheezes

As an oik from the sticks, I was getting to know the London ropes during the first month of my Sound Training course by working on the floor and was on a boom during a Softly. Frank Windsor, I believe, had been involved in some fracas which required medical examination - when the doctor opened his shirt, he was wearing a plastic torso of significant proportions and Stratford Johns who was also in the cubicle made some pithy remark at which the whole floor collapsed - must have been a nightmare for the PA trying to keep timings!

Mike G




On 7 Oct 2019, at 00:38, phider via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
?
Z cars had its hilarious moments. Fancy and Jock were riding the Ford Zephyr to the crime scene. The Eidophor of the passing streets had been cued too early and as the end leader ran out Brian Blessed said "It gets dark quickly these days." As the following TK insert had also run early and finished, as they got out the car the floor manager told them to get back in and do the scene again while TK rewound. Happy days.?
Live Softly Softly saw Alan Stratford Johns (a particularly nice bloke by the way) open the Pub door to leave only to find camera 5 waiting to come in. He turned to Frank Windsor and said "It'll be quieter if we leave by the back door."
And who remembers Marius Goring and Victor Winding in the Physicists completing the dress-run of an episode in full drag but playing it straight. His long red wig matched his red beard perfectly.
I hope the kids have as much fun as we did.
Best?
Peter Hider


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-------- Original message --------
From: David Newbitt <dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net> 
Date: 05/10/2019 14:01 (GMT+00:00) 
To: patheigham <pat.heigham at amps.net>, Peter Hider <phider at gmx.com> 
Cc: Tech-Ops-chit-chat <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> 
Subject: Re: [Tech1] On screen japes and wheezes 

There were some good japes not initiated by tech ops. One or two from the halcyon days of live Z Cars ? here?s one I remember.
?
Stratford Johns at a hospital bedside attempting to draw information from the seriously ill/dying occupant. Either James Ellis or Brian Blessed (can?t remember which) crawled unseen under the bed in rehearsal in the ?on all fours? position and began humping his back up and down with increasing vigour so that initial vertical disturbance of the patient increased to the point of him being virtually catapulted skywards. Keep a straight face? No chance!
?
Also on Z Cars, we boom operators learned to be wary of exactly where the mic was when hovering near any of the flat cap brigade. They were much given to raising their caps without warning for a head scratch, thumping the 4033 with a good thwack in the process. Mischievous behaviour was often the order of the day in rehearsals but of course everyone was utterly focused on the night so that we all coped somehow with the often hair-raising business of getting to the next set while a short bit of TK was running.
?
Dave Newbitt.
?
From: patheigham via Tech1 
Sent: Saturday, October 5, 2019 11:58 AM
To: Peter Hider 
Cc: Tech-Ops-chit-chat 
Subject: Re: [Tech1] On screen japes and wheezes
?
When working as a Grams Op in the 60?s, I used to have fun on the run-throughs with Gerry Blake directing; he loved my mucking about, but one had to get it 100% right on recording/transmission!
On ?Rupert of Hentzau? our heroine (Barbara Shelley) was anxiously awaiting the return of her hero, and was pacing nervously up and down, until she hears a mantle clock striking, whereupon she goes and looks out of a window. On rehearsal, I played in a cuckoo clock which reduced her to helpless laughter!
Got into trouble on one of the first plays to be shot in colour from Studio TC6.
A World War I drama - the farmer's Army son is deployed near his dad's home, comes to visit - Dad says he'll go get a chicken for lunch, exits to farmyard, out of vision.
I played in running footsteps, chicken squawking, then a thud.
Director: "What the hell was that, Pat?" "Father killing lunch!"
"Thank you, Pat, we'll let you know!"
Best
Pat
?
Sent from Mail for Windows 10
?
From: Peter Hider via Tech1
Sent: 05 October 2019 09:50
To: alanaudio at me.com
Cc: Tech-Ops-chit-chat
Subject: Re: [Tech1] On screen japes and wheezes
?
It didn't make it transmission but when Johnny Ball was matchin?? his animal noises to a caption sequence on Playschool, we slipped in a giraffe photo for the dress run. He used some really good post watershed language none of which resembled the noise a giraffe makes, even after 9pm.
Best
Peter
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Mon Oct  7 08:04:22 2019
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2019 14:04:22 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] After Brexit
Message-ID: <5d9b37d5.1c69fb81.2393d.ca69@mx.google.com>

 Something to beware of!
For those that are still working or holidaying abroad, in Europe, check on what might happen if there is no ?deal?.
The UK passport will be valid provided that there are more than six months remaining before expiry.
Driving licences, if you have a photocard one, may be valid, but some EU countries will also require an International Driving Permit (IDP), and there are different variations!
These are obtainable via the Post Office ? I have not discovered whether one can apply on-line.
As usual, France is ??tre emmerdant? about this, and are making things very difficult.
More info is available on:
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/driving-in-the-eu-after-brexit

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From waresound at msn.com  Mon Oct  7 08:14:35 2019
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2019 13:14:35 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] On screen japes and wheezes
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Poor old George Dixon! There?s also the one about another encounter he had with a Mole boom, as told to me by Alan Thorpe, so let?s assume it was him. Director calls ?lift the boom and cut to the wide?. Not knowing that Jack was leaning on the boom platform waiting for his next cue, up goes the boom, down goes the counter balance weight, ramming Jack?s helmet firmly down over his ears. Live TX of course, and much dialogue improvisation and stifled giggles while someone struggled to get his helmet off.

And another, which I?m 90% certain was live on air too: Inspector Barlow seated at table interviewing a ne?er-do-well, when just out of sight of the cameras, Brian Blessed walked in, stood facing into a corner of the set, and started rolling a marble around in a metal kidney bowl nicked off another set. As I said, 90% certain, but I so want it to be true!
Plenty of other in this vein, needless to say......
Live TV at its best!
Cheers,
Nick.

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On 7 Oct 2019, at 13:26, Roger E Long via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

? On my first induction to TV studios and a Mole boom in the Grove after xfer from Bush House I managed to hit' George Dixon' on the forehead with a 4033 when he did an unexpected rise from the station sergeants desk, he was very gracious for my grovelling apology.
On my first night shoot for Z Cars in Ealing I managed to get a whole ElectroVoice EV642 gun mic (at least 24 ? long, 6?wide, buff green foam gag)   in shot and nobody noticed ,even on TX.
I did many Softly Softly film shoots without apparent disgrace.
Nighters were good earners.
For some weird reason we were Day Workers, so it was all overtime.

Roger

On 7 Oct 2019, at 10:00, Mike Giles via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk<mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:

As an oik from the sticks, I was getting to know the London ropes during the first month of my Sound Training course by working on the floor and was on a boom during a Softly. Frank Windsor, I believe, had been involved in some fracas which required medical examination - when the doctor opened his shirt, he was wearing a plastic torso of significant proportions and Stratford Johns who was also in the cubicle made some pithy remark at which the whole floor collapsed - must have been a nightmare for the PA trying to keep timings!

Mike G



On 7 Oct 2019, at 00:38, phider via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk<mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:

?
Z cars had its hilarious moments. Fancy and Jock were riding the Ford Zephyr to the crime scene. The Eidophor of the passing streets had been cued too early and as the end leader ran out Brian Blessed said "It gets dark quickly these days." As the following TK insert had also run early and finished, as they got out the car the floor manager told them to get back in and do the scene again while TK rewound. Happy days.
Live Softly Softly saw Alan Stratford Johns (a particularly nice bloke by the way) open the Pub door to leave only to find camera 5 waiting to come in. He turned to Frank Windsor and said "It'll be quieter if we leave by the back door."
And who remembers Marius Goring and Victor Winding in the Physicists completing the dress-run of an episode in full drag but playing it straight. His long red wig matched his red beard perfectly.
I hope the kids have as much fun as we did.
Best
Peter Hider


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-------- Original message --------
From: David Newbitt <dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net<mailto:dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net>>
Date: 05/10/2019 14:01 (GMT+00:00)
To: patheigham <pat.heigham at amps.net<mailto:pat.heigham at amps.net>>, Peter Hider <phider at gmx.com<mailto:phider at gmx.com>>
Cc: Tech-Ops-chit-chat <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk<mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>>
Subject: Re: [Tech1] On screen japes and wheezes

There were some good japes not initiated by tech ops. One or two from the halcyon days of live Z Cars ? here?s one I remember.

Stratford Johns at a hospital bedside attempting to draw information from the seriously ill/dying occupant. Either James Ellis or Brian Blessed (can?t remember which) crawled unseen under the bed in rehearsal in the ?on all fours? position and began humping his back up and down with increasing vigour so that initial vertical disturbance of the patient increased to the point of him being virtually catapulted skywards. Keep a straight face? No chance!

Also on Z Cars, we boom operators learned to be wary of exactly where the mic was when hovering near any of the flat cap brigade. They were much given to raising their caps without warning for a head scratch, thumping the 4033 with a good thwack in the process. Mischievous behaviour was often the order of the day in rehearsals but of course everyone was utterly focused on the night so that we all coped somehow with the often hair-raising business of getting to the next set while a short bit of TK was running.

Dave Newbitt.

From: patheigham via Tech1
Sent: Saturday, October 5, 2019 11:58 AM
To: Peter Hider
Cc: Tech-Ops-chit-chat
Subject: Re: [Tech1] On screen japes and wheezes

When working as a Grams Op in the 60?s, I used to have fun on the run-throughs with Gerry Blake directing; he loved my mucking about, but one had to get it 100% right on recording/transmission!
On ?Rupert of Hentzau? our heroine (Barbara Shelley) was anxiously awaiting the return of her hero, and was pacing nervously up and down, until she hears a mantle clock striking, whereupon she goes and looks out of a window. On rehearsal, I played in a cuckoo clock which reduced her to helpless laughter!
Got into trouble on one of the first plays to be shot in colour from Studio TC6.
A World War I drama - the farmer's Army son is deployed near his dad's home, comes to visit - Dad says he'll go get a chicken for lunch, exits to farmyard, out of vision.
I played in running footsteps, chicken squawking, then a thud.
Director: "What the hell was that, Pat?" "Father killing lunch!"
"Thank you, Pat, we'll let you know!"
Best
Pat

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Sent: 05 October 2019 09:50
To: alanaudio at me.com
Cc: Tech-Ops-chit-chat
Subject: Re: [Tech1] On screen japes and wheezes

It didn't make it transmission but when Johnny Ball was matchin?  his animal noises to a caption sequence on Playschool, we slipped in a giraffe photo for the dress run. He used some really good post watershed language none of which resembled the noise a giraffe makes, even after 9pm.
Best
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Mon Oct  7 08:37:41 2019
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2019 14:37:41 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] On screen japes and wheezes
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Lovely story!

People leaning on the boom platform had no idea that there was enough give in the tyres to drop the mike into shot, as the arm whipped (particularly on an audience sit-com as one was working millimetres above the top of frame). I believe that it was permitted to kick their heads!
A story, (OK this might have been published before...)
On one play, luckily on rehearsal - remember that the Mole booms had a support wire cable that ran over the top of the pivot to either end of the fixed tube. I had to do a fast swing between sets, and the sparks had left a safety cable hanging from one of the lighting barrels. What were the chances of the boom wire catching and latching the snap carabiner on the end? It did! & the momentum of the arm caused the whole barrel to lurch sideways. Too far to lean forward and detach the snap hook so everything came to a grinding halt while a stepladder was found to climb up and release.
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Poor old George Dixon! There?s also the one about another encounter he had with a Mole boom, as told to me by Alan Thorpe, so let?s assume it was him. Director calls ?lift the boom and cut to the wide?. Not knowing that Jack was leaning on the boom platform waiting for his next cue, up goes the boom, down goes the counter balance weight, ramming Jack?s helmet firmly down over his ears. Live TX of course, and much dialogue improvisation and stifled giggles while someone struggled to get his helmet off. 




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From peter.neill at icloud.com  Mon Oct  7 09:09:16 2019
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Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2019 15:09:16 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] On screen japes and wheezes
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A very similar story which I know to be 100% accurate (I was there)

Rehearsal (Softly, Softly)

Interview room, Barlow and felon in foreground. 

Frank Windsor walks into back of shot carrying metal waste bin stands with back to camera, adjusts his clothing and spins a drawing pin in the bottom of the bin. The sound was very realistic. 

Sent from my iPhone. Apologies for typos and autocorruptions. 

> On 7 Oct 2019, at 14:15, Nick Ware via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ? Poor old George Dixon! There?s also the one about another encounter he had with a Mole boom, as told to me by Alan Thorpe, so let?s assume it was him. Director calls ?lift the boom and cut to the wide?. Not knowing that Jack was leaning on the boom platform waiting for his next cue, up goes the boom, down goes the counter balance weight, ramming Jack?s helmet firmly down over his ears. Live TX of course, and much dialogue improvisation and stifled giggles while someone struggled to get his helmet off.
> 
> And another, which I?m 90% certain was live on air too: Inspector Barlow seated at table interviewing a ne?er-do-well, when just out of sight of the cameras, Brian Blessed walked in, stood facing into a corner of the set, and started rolling a marble around in a metal kidney bowl nicked off another set. As I said, 90% certain, but I so want it to be true!
> Plenty of other in this vein, needless to say......
> Live TV at its best!
> Cheers,
> Nick.
> 
> Sent from my iPad mini 5
> 
>>> On 7 Oct 2019, at 13:26, Roger E Long via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>> ? On my first induction to TV studios and a Mole boom in the Grove after xfer from Bush House I managed to hit' George Dixon' on the forehead with a 4033 when he did an unexpected rise from the station sergeants desk, he was very gracious for my grovelling apology.
>> On my first night shoot for Z Cars in Ealing I managed to get a whole ElectroVoice EV642 gun mic (at least 24 ? long, 6?wide, buff green foam gag)   in shot and nobody noticed ,even on TX.
>> I did many Softly Softly film shoots without apparent disgrace.
>> Nighters were good earners.
>> For some weird reason we were Day Workers, so it was all overtime.
>> 
>> Roger
>> 
>>> On 7 Oct 2019, at 10:00, Mike Giles via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>>> As an oik from the sticks, I was getting to know the London ropes during the first month of my Sound Training course by working on the floor and was on a boom during a Softly. Frank Windsor, I believe, had been involved in some fracas which required medical examination - when the doctor opened his shirt, he was wearing a plastic torso of significant proportions and Stratford Johns who was also in the cubicle made some pithy remark at which the whole floor collapsed - must have been a nightmare for the PA trying to keep timings!
>>> 
>>> Mike G
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On 7 Oct 2019, at 00:38, phider via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> ?
>>>> Z cars had its hilarious moments. Fancy and Jock were riding the Ford Zephyr to the crime scene. The Eidophor of the passing streets had been cued too early and as the end leader ran out Brian Blessed said "It gets dark quickly these days." As the following TK insert had also run early and finished, as they got out the car the floor manager told them to get back in and do the scene again while TK rewound. Happy days. 
>>>> Live Softly Softly saw Alan Stratford Johns (a particularly nice bloke by the way) open the Pub door to leave only to find camera 5 waiting to come in. He turned to Frank Windsor and said "It'll be quieter if we leave by the back door."
>>>> And who remembers Marius Goring and Victor Winding in the Physicists completing the dress-run of an episode in full drag but playing it straight. His long red wig matched his red beard perfectly.
>>>> I hope the kids have as much fun as we did.
>>>> Best 
>>>> Peter Hider
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from Samsung Mobile on O2
>>>> 
>>>> -------- Original message --------
>>>> From: David Newbitt <dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net>
>>>> Date: 05/10/2019 14:01 (GMT+00:00)
>>>> To: patheigham <pat.heigham at amps.net>, Peter Hider <phider at gmx.com>
>>>> Cc: Tech-Ops-chit-chat <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
>>>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] On screen japes and wheezes
>>>> 
>>>> There were some good japes not initiated by tech ops. One or two from the halcyon days of live Z Cars ? here?s one I remember.
>>>>  
>>>> Stratford Johns at a hospital bedside attempting to draw information from the seriously ill/dying occupant. Either James Ellis or Brian Blessed (can?t remember which) crawled unseen under the bed in rehearsal in the ?on all fours? position and began humping his back up and down with increasing vigour so that initial vertical disturbance of the patient increased to the point of him being virtually catapulted skywards. Keep a straight face? No chance!
>>>>  
>>>> Also on Z Cars, we boom operators learned to be wary of exactly where the mic was when hovering near any of the flat cap brigade. They were much given to raising their caps without warning for a head scratch, thumping the 4033 with a good thwack in the process. Mischievous behaviour was often the order of the day in rehearsals but of course everyone was utterly focused on the night so that we all coped somehow with the often hair-raising business of getting to the next set while a short bit of TK was running.
>>>>  
>>>> Dave Newbitt.
>>>>  
>>>> From: patheigham via Tech1
>>>> Sent: Saturday, October 5, 2019 11:58 AM
>>>> To: Peter Hider
>>>> Cc: Tech-Ops-chit-chat
>>>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] On screen japes and wheezes
>>>>  
>>>> When working as a Grams Op in the 60?s, I used to have fun on the run-throughs with Gerry Blake directing; he loved my mucking about, but one had to get it 100% right on recording/transmission!
>>>> 
>>>> On ?Rupert of Hentzau? our heroine (Barbara Shelley) was anxiously awaiting the return of her hero, and was pacing nervously up and down, until she hears a mantle clock striking, whereupon she goes and looks out of a window. On rehearsal, I played in a cuckoo clock which reduced her to helpless laughter!
>>>> 
>>>> Got into trouble on one of the first plays to be shot in colour from Studio TC6.
>>>> 
>>>> A World War I drama - the farmer's Army son is deployed near his dad's home, comes to visit - Dad says he'll go get a chicken for lunch, exits to farmyard, out of vision.
>>>> 
>>>> I played in running footsteps, chicken squawking, then a thud.
>>>> 
>>>> Director: "What the hell was that, Pat?" "Father killing lunch!"
>>>> 
>>>> "Thank you, Pat, we'll let you know!"
>>>> 
>>>> Best
>>>> 
>>>> Pat
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
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>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>> From: Peter Hider via Tech1
>>>> Sent: 05 October 2019 09:50
>>>> To: alanaudio at me.com
>>>> Cc: Tech-Ops-chit-chat
>>>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] On screen japes and wheezes
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>> It didn't make it transmission but when Johnny Ball was matchin?  his animal noises to a caption sequence on Playschool, we slipped in a giraffe photo for the dress run. He used some really good post watershed language none of which resembled the noise a giraffe makes, even after 9pm.
>>>> 
>>>> Best
>>>> 
>>>> Peter
>>>> 
>>>>  
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From vernon.dyer at btinternet.com  Mon Oct  7 10:21:02 2019
From: vernon.dyer at btinternet.com (vernon.dyer)
Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2019 16:21:02 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Concorde
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Speaking of getting inside Concorde, in case anyone doesn't know, there's a Concorde at Brooklands which you can visit and have a guided tour. Quite fascinating. The interior seems so cramped compared with later aircraft.?Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.-------- Original message --------From: Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> Date: 07/10/2019  12:26  (GMT+00:00) To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Concorde I have two Concorde stories which don't involve me getting inside Concorde at all.The BBC were doing a week of programmes behind the scenes at Heathrow.? After the excitement of interviewing the man who repaired the luggage trolleys, were were shooting a scripted story about how B.A.'s computer system could handle all the intricacies of planning obscure routes and booking stopovers if a flight were delayed or re-routed.? The location they chose to shoot this was at the last check-in desk at the end of terminal 4.? As it happened, Concorde was parked just outside the window and passengers were in the departure lounge, the Concorde check-in was adjacent to the desk we were using and was closing as we were setting up.? Passengers started boarding while we shot the first shot of our story.Soon after we started recording our sequence, we became aware of a guy who was running the entire length of terminal 4, his coat flying open and carrying just a small bag. He arrived breathless at the now closed Concorde check-in and explained to the check-in girl that he had just received a call saying that his father was critically ill in New York and was unlikely to live for more than a few hours. He was desperate to get to New York as quickly as possible and begged to be allowed onto the plane whatever the cost.? The lady explained that the gate had shut some time ago, but understood his urgency and made a phone call to see if anything could be done under the circumstances, but warned him that it was unlikely.All of this exchange was done at quite a loud volume and we clearly heard every word of it on our microphones, our establishing shot had shown him running towards us.? I gestured to our director, indicating that the whole story so far was on tape and that we should switch to covering that story as it was such an amazing story.? The director explained that she was given the task of shooting this story about the computer and there would be hell to pay if she didn't complete it.? I was gobsmacked, but had no choice other than to continue with our story.After her phone call, the check-in girl said that the best course of action would be to process his ticket and take payment for it, adding that if it didn't come to anything, it would be cancelled and fully refunded.? He readily agreed and as they finished the paperwork, her phone rang and she was told that he could be allowed on the flight after all.? Somebody appeared from behind the check-in desk and gestured him to follow her.? He sort of scampered over that short luggage conveyer belt by the desk and she led him into the depths of the terminal.By then, the door to Concorde had closed, but we noticed the steps being returned to the aircraft and sure enough, our man was seen running up the steps and getting onto the plane.? The doors closed once more and the aircraft soon moved off. The woman who had escorted him from behind the desk waved as he boarded the plane and he waved a heartfelt thank you in return.We shot exactly none of this.? The director insisted on continuing with our rather tedious story and by the time we had finished the last shot of the sequence, I imagine that our guy was hailing a cab in New York.? The whole story played out like some sort of advert dreamt up my Saatchi and Saatchi, but it was real life.? I'm disappointed that the director could have rejected what would have been the most memorable human interest story of the entire week.? Myself and the cameraman felt convinced from quite an early stage that we should have gone with that Concorde story and resumed our planned story afterwards.The second one was during the shooting of The Tripods in '83, one location we used was a tunnel within a stone quarry in Somerset.? The strange thing was that the tunnel had a truly massive steel door which was acoustically treated, while the walls of the tunnel were also treated in a similar fashion.? Think of the look of the walls of a bare studio, as often seen on the Old Grey Whistle test, but imagine it scaled up by an order of magnitude or two.? It turned out that the tunnels were used for continuous running tests while developing the Olympus engines prior to them being used on Concorde.? There had been some pretty extreme ventilation equipment installed at the time, but that had long since been removed.Alan Taylor
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From geoffletch at gmail.com  Mon Oct  7 10:48:34 2019
From: geoffletch at gmail.com (Geoff Fletcher)
Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2019 16:48:34 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Clip of 'lost' Beatles Top of the Pops performance
 unearthed - BBC News
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My wife made up John Lennon at Rediffusion at Wembley back in the late 60?s
. She also made up another one of the Fab Four but can?t remember which
one! She recalls it was a fun occasion with a lot of witty repartee flying
about.
Geoff F

On Sun, 6 Oct 2019 at 15:09, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
wrote:

>
>
> *Beatles on Pops & Lenny*
>
>
>
> My Beatles Story: I worked for BBC TV Tech Ops during the '60's and on a
> Light Entertainment crew which did "Pops & Lenny the Lion" for the kids at
> 5 o'clock.
>
> Each week we used to have a pop group in to do a number - might have been
> Gerry & the Pacemakers, Freddie & the Dreamers - whoever.
>
> We had a standard mic rig - covering lead, rhythm and bass guitar and drum
> kit, plus vocals, so it was pretty well (yawn) Oh, another lot!
>
> I used to operate a mini-Fisher boom, located on the circle of the TV
> Theatre, looking after a side set on the stage apron, and during the
> Beatles number, for it was they, I was aware that the whole circle was
> vibrating. Looking round I saw that the complete teenage audience were
> legging it for the exits, presumably to get to the stage door.
>
> Years later, I was recording an interview with Paul McCartney and chatting
> with him, told him that this had been my first exposure to The Beatles -
> and we had a good laugh.
>
> Sorry that they've had their sadnesses with life and death and personal
> affairs, but for a couple of Liverpool lads who had their songs covered by
> the likes of Sinatra.....got to be good?
>
>
>
> Pat
>
>
>
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>
> *From: *vernon.dyer via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> *Sent: *06 October 2019 14:10
> *To: *tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> *Subject: *Re: [Tech1] Clip of 'lost' Beatles Top of the Pops performance
> unearthed - BBC News
>
>
>
>
>
> Yes, that's Ron all right; Crew 3 did some TOTPs in TC2 and then in Lime
> Grove G. It's a Marconi MkIV camera, so TC2, and I remember The Beatles
> recording a number one day, the only time I ever saw them - they trooped in
> in silence, did the take and were gone straightaway. Security was tight,
> no-one knew about it beforehand  (otherwise we'd have been besieged by fans
> - no way could they have appeared before a live audience).
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From waresound at msn.com  Mon Oct  7 11:05:24 2019
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2019 16:05:24 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] On screen japes and wheezes
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I?m happy to adopt your version of the story. Could be that my Al Thorpe version was the victim of the ?Send reinforcements, we?re going to advance? effect.
(Probably safe with that on Alexa - it won?t know what three and fourpence was!)
Nick.
Sent from my iPad mini 5

> On 7 Oct 2019, at 15:09, Peter Neill via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ? A very similar story which I know to be 100% accurate (I was there)
> 
> Rehearsal (Softly, Softly)
> 
> Interview room, Barlow and felon in foreground. 
> 
> Frank Windsor walks into back of shot carrying metal waste bin stands with back to camera, adjusts his clothing and spins a drawing pin in the bottom of the bin. The sound was very realistic. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone. Apologies for typos and autocorruptions. 
> 
>>> On 7 Oct 2019, at 14:15, Nick Ware via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>> ? Poor old George Dixon! There?s also the one about another encounter he had with a Mole boom, as told to me by Alan Thorpe, so let?s assume it was him. Director calls ?lift the boom and cut to the wide?. Not knowing that Jack was leaning on the boom platform waiting for his next cue, up goes the boom, down goes the counter balance weight, ramming Jack?s helmet firmly down over his ears. Live TX of course, and much dialogue improvisation and stifled giggles while someone struggled to get his helmet off.
>> 
>> And another, which I?m 90% certain was live on air too: Inspector Barlow seated at table interviewing a ne?er-do-well, when just out of sight of the cameras, Brian Blessed walked in, stood facing into a corner of the set, and started rolling a marble around in a metal kidney bowl nicked off another set. As I said, 90% certain, but I so want it to be true!
>> Plenty of other in this vein, needless to say......
>> Live TV at its best!
>> Cheers,
>> Nick.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad mini 5

From geoffletch at gmail.com  Mon Oct  7 11:12:28 2019
From: geoffletch at gmail.com (Geoff Fletcher)
Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2019 17:12:28 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] On screen japes and wheezes
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I remember on Play School one day we all got rather fed up with the female
director who was inexperienced but wouldn?t listen to any advice the crew
gave her. She was also severely lacking in the sense of humour department.
Someone in Sound control edited the play school clock tape and turned all
the notes round so that it played the tune but the notes went NeeEEEP
NeeEEP etc. On cameras and on the studio floor we all fell about laughing
but all she said was ?There?s something wrong with the tape, Sound?. ( I
name no names mon ami.)
Geoff F
On Mon, 7 Oct 2019 at 15:09, Peter Neill via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
wrote:

> A very similar story which I know to be 100% accurate (I was there)
>
> Rehearsal (Softly, Softly)
>
> Interview room, Barlow and felon in foreground.
>
> Frank Windsor walks into back of shot carrying metal waste bin stands with
> back to camera, adjusts his clothing and spins a drawing pin in the bottom
> of the bin. The sound was very realistic.
>
> Sent from my iPhone. Apologies for typos and autocorruptions.
>
> On 7 Oct 2019, at 14:15, Nick Ware via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>
> ? Poor old George Dixon! There?s also the one about another encounter he
> had with a Mole boom, as told to me by Alan Thorpe, so let?s assume it was
> him. Director calls ?lift the boom and cut to the wide?. Not knowing that
> Jack was leaning on the boom platform waiting for his next cue, up goes the
> boom, down goes the counter balance weight, ramming Jack?s helmet firmly
> down over his ears. Live TX of course, and much dialogue improvisation and
> stifled giggles while someone struggled to get his helmet off.
>
>
> And another, which I?m 90% certain was live on air too: Inspector Barlow
> seated at table interviewing a ne?er-do-well, when just out of sight of the
> cameras, Brian Blessed walked in, stood facing into a corner of the set,
> and started rolling a marble around in a metal kidney bowl nicked off
> another set. As I said, 90% certain, but I so want it to be true!
> Plenty of other in this vein, needless to say......
> Live TV at its best!
> Cheers,
> Nick.
>
> Sent from my iPad mini 5
>
> On 7 Oct 2019, at 13:26, Roger E Long via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
> ? On my first induction to TV studios and a Mole boom in the Grove after
> xfer from Bush House I managed to hit' George Dixon' on the forehead with a
> 4033 when he did an unexpected rise from the station sergeants desk, he was
> very gracious for my grovelling apology.
> On my first night shoot for Z Cars in Ealing I managed to get a whole
> ElectroVoice EV642 gun mic (at least 24 ? long, 6?wide, buff green foam
> gag)   in shot and nobody noticed ,even on TX.
> I did many Softly Softly film shoots without apparent disgrace.
> Nighters were good earners.
> For some weird reason we were Day Workers, so it was all overtime.
>
> Roger
>
> On 7 Oct 2019, at 10:00, Mike Giles via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
> As an oik from the sticks, I was getting to know the London ropes during
> the first month of my Sound Training course by working on the floor and was
> on a boom during a Softly. Frank Windsor, I believe, had been involved in
> some fracas which required medical examination - when the doctor opened his
> shirt, he was wearing a plastic torso of significant proportions and
> Stratford Johns who was also in the cubicle made some pithy remark at which
> the whole floor collapsed - must have been a nightmare for the PA trying to
> keep timings!
>
> Mike G
>
>
>
> On 7 Oct 2019, at 00:38, phider via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>
> ?
> Z cars had its hilarious moments. Fancy and Jock were riding the Ford
> Zephyr to the crime scene. The Eidophor of the passing streets had been
> cued too early and as the end leader ran out Brian Blessed said "It gets
> dark quickly these days." As the following TK insert had also run early and
> finished, as they got out the car the floor manager told them to get back
> in and do the scene again while TK rewound. Happy days.
> Live Softly Softly saw Alan Stratford Johns (a particularly nice bloke by
> the way) open the Pub door to leave only to find camera 5 waiting to come
> in. He turned to Frank Windsor and said "It'll be quieter if we leave by
> the back door."
> And who remembers Marius Goring and Victor Winding in the Physicists
> completing the dress-run of an episode in full drag but playing it
> straight. His long red wig matched his red beard perfectly.
> I hope the kids have as much fun as we did.
> Best
> Peter Hider
>
>
> Sent from Samsung Mobile on O2
>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: David Newbitt <dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net>
> Date: 05/10/2019 14:01 (GMT+00:00)
> To: patheigham <pat.heigham at amps.net>, Peter Hider <phider at gmx.com>
> Cc: Tech-Ops-chit-chat <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> Subject: Re: [Tech1] On screen japes and wheezes
>
> There were some good japes not initiated by tech ops. One or two from the
> halcyon days of live Z Cars ? here?s one I remember.
>
> Stratford Johns at a hospital bedside attempting to draw information from
> the seriously ill/dying occupant. Either James Ellis or Brian Blessed
> (can?t remember which) crawled unseen under the bed in rehearsal in the ?on
> all fours? position and began humping his back up and down with increasing
> vigour so that initial vertical disturbance of the patient increased to the
> point of him being virtually catapulted skywards. Keep a straight face? No
> chance!
>
> Also on Z Cars, we boom operators learned to be wary of exactly where the
> mic was when hovering near any of the flat cap brigade. They were much
> given to raising their caps without warning for a head scratch, thumping
> the 4033 with a good thwack in the process. Mischievous behaviour was often
> the order of the day in rehearsals but of course everyone was utterly
> focused on the night so that we all coped somehow with the often
> hair-raising business of getting to the next set while a short bit of TK
> was running.
>
> Dave Newbitt.
>
> *From:* patheigham via Tech1
> *Sent:* Saturday, October 5, 2019 11:58 AM
> *To:* Peter Hider
> *Cc:* Tech-Ops-chit-chat
> *Subject:* Re: [Tech1] On screen japes and wheezes
>
>
> When working as a Grams Op in the 60?s, I used to have fun on the
> run-throughs with Gerry Blake directing; he loved my mucking about, but one
> had to get it 100% right on recording/transmission!
>
> On ?Rupert of Hentzau? our heroine (Barbara Shelley) was anxiously
> awaiting the return of her hero, and was pacing nervously up and down,
> until she hears a mantle clock striking, whereupon she goes and looks out
> of a window. On rehearsal, I played in a cuckoo clock which reduced her to
> helpless laughter!
>
> Got into trouble on one of the first plays to be shot in colour from
> Studio TC6.
>
> A World War I drama - the farmer's Army son is deployed near his dad's
> home, comes to visit - Dad says he'll go get a chicken for lunch, exits to
> farmyard, out of vision.
>
> I played in running footsteps, chicken squawking, then a thud.
>
> Director: "What the hell was that, Pat?" "Father killing lunch!"
>
> "Thank you, Pat, we'll let you know!"
>
> Best
>
> Pat
>
>
>
> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
> Windows 10
>
>
>
> *From: *Peter Hider via Tech1
> *Sent: *05 October 2019 09:50
> *To: *alanaudio at me.com
> *Cc: *Tech-Ops-chit-chat
> *Subject: *Re: [Tech1] On screen japes and wheezes
>
>
>
> It didn't make it transmission but when Johnny Ball was matchin?  his
> animal noises to a caption sequence on Playschool, we slipped in a giraffe
> photo for the dress run. He used some really good post watershed language
> none of which resembled the noise a giraffe makes, even after 9pm.
>
> Best
>
> Peter
>
>
>
>
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From jpn at imixmics.co.uk  Mon Oct  7 11:12:51 2019
From: jpn at imixmics.co.uk (John Nottage)
Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2019 17:12:51 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Concorde
In-Reply-To: <4657c1b1-3dc4-cff3-3479-75df7ebfbb34@imixmics.co.uk>
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Wasn't there a Stewart Morris show where they tried to do a dance 
routine in Concorde? I'm told all they managed to do was to sit in the 
seats & wave their arms about into the aisle! Flew BA First Class to 
Nairobi once: rather nice, much more space & comfort than Concorde ever 
had. All it really had in it's favour was speed.

I've a couple of photos I took at Farnborough when Concorde 001 was 
still testing (1969/70 I'm guessing?). You could see the clouds of muck 
jetting out of the engines from miles away. Beautiful looking plane though.

John

On 07/10/2019 16:21, vernon.dyer via Tech1 wrote:
> 
> 
> Speaking of getting inside Concorde, in case anyone doesn't know, 
> there's a Concorde at Brooklands which you can visit and have a guided 
> tour. Quite fascinating. The interior seems so cramped compared with 
> later aircraft.
> 
> Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> Date: 07/10/2019 12:26 (GMT+00:00)
> To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Concorde
> 
> I have two Concorde stories which don't involve me getting inside 
> Concorde at all.
> 
> The BBC were doing a week of programmes behind the scenes at Heathrow.  
> After the excitement of interviewing the man who repaired the luggage 
> trolleys, were were shooting a scripted story about how B.A.'s computer 
> system could handle all the intricacies of planning obscure routes and 
> booking stopovers if a flight were delayed or re-routed.? The location 
> they chose to shoot this was at the last check-in desk at the end of 
> terminal 4.? As it happened, Concorde was parked just outside the window 
> and passengers were in the departure lounge, the Concorde check-in was 
> adjacent to the desk we were using and was closing as we were setting 
> up.? Passengers started boarding while we shot the first shot of our story.
> 
> Soon after we started recording our sequence, we became aware of a guy 
> who was running the entire length of terminal 4, his coat flying open 
> and carrying just a small bag. He arrived breathless at the now closed 
> Concorde check-in and explained to the check-in girl that he had just 
> received a call saying that his father was critically ill in New York 
> and was unlikely to live for more than a few hours. He was desperate to 
> get to New York as quickly as possible and begged to be allowed onto the 
> plane whatever the cost.? The lady explained that the gate had shut some 
> time ago, but understood his urgency and made a phone call to see if 
> anything could be done under the circumstances, but warned him that it 
> was unlikely.
> 
> All of this exchange was done at quite a loud volume and we clearly 
> heard every word of it on our microphones, our establishing shot had 
> shown him running towards us.? I gestured to our director, indicating 
> that the whole story so far was on tape and that we should switch to 
> covering that story as it was such an amazing story.? The director 
> explained that she was given the task of shooting this story about the 
> computer and there would be hell to pay if she didn't complete it.? I 
> was gobsmacked, but had no choice other than to continue with our story.
> 
> After her phone call, the check-in girl said that the best course of 
> action would be to process his ticket and take payment for it, adding 
> that if it didn't come to anything, it would be cancelled and fully 
> refunded.? He readily agreed and as they finished the paperwork, her 
> phone rang and she was told that he could be allowed on the flight after 
> all.? Somebody appeared from behind the check-in desk and gestured him 
> to follow her.? He sort of scampered over that short luggage conveyer 
> belt by the desk and she led him into the depths of the terminal.
> 
> By then, the door to Concorde had closed, but we noticed the steps being 
> returned to the aircraft and sure enough, our man was seen running up 
> the steps and getting onto the plane.? The doors closed once more and 
> the aircraft soon moved off. The woman who had escorted him from behind 
> the desk waved as he boarded the plane and he waved a heartfelt thank 
> you in return.
> 
> We shot exactly none of this.? The director insisted on continuing with 
> our rather tedious story and by the time we had finished the last shot 
> of the sequence, I imagine that our guy was hailing a cab in New York.  
> The whole story played out like some sort of advert dreamt up my Saatchi 
> and Saatchi, but it was real life.? I'm disappointed that the director 
> could have rejected what would have been the most memorable human 
> interest story of the entire week.? Myself and the cameraman felt 
> convinced from quite an early stage that we should have gone with that 
> Concorde story and resumed our planned story afterwards.
> 
> The second one was during the shooting of The Tripods in '83, one 
> location we used was a tunnel within a stone quarry in Somerset.? The 
> strange thing was that the tunnel had a truly massive steel door which 
> was acoustically treated, while the walls of the tunnel were also 
> treated in a similar fashion.? Think of the look of the walls of a bare 
> studio, as often seen on the Old Grey Whistle test, but imagine it 
> scaled up by an order of magnitude or two.? It turned out that the 
> tunnels were used for continuous running tests while developing the 
> Olympus engines prior to them being used on Concorde.? There had been 
> some pretty extreme ventilation equipment installed at the time, but 
> that had long since been removed.
> 
> Alan Taylor
> 
> 
> 


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From geoffletch at gmail.com  Mon Oct  7 11:23:07 2019
From: geoffletch at gmail.com (Geoff Fletcher)
Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2019 17:23:07 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Concorde
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References: <gmywc3pigehv2j77myc396in.1570461662470@email.android.com>
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Also a Concorde at Duxford.
GeoffF

On Mon, 7 Oct 2019 at 16:21, vernon.dyer via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
wrote:

>
>
> Speaking of getting inside Concorde, in case anyone doesn't know, there's
> a Concorde at Brooklands which you can visit and have a guided tour. Quite
> fascinating. The interior seems so cramped compared with later aircraft.
>
> Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> Date: 07/10/2019 12:26 (GMT+00:00)
> To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Concorde
>
> I have two Concorde stories which don't involve me getting inside Concorde
> at all.
>
> The BBC were doing a week of programmes behind the scenes at Heathrow.
> After the excitement of interviewing the man who repaired the luggage
> trolleys, were were shooting a scripted story about how B.A.'s computer
> system could handle all the intricacies of planning obscure routes and
> booking stopovers if a flight were delayed or re-routed.  The location they
> chose to shoot this was at the last check-in desk at the end of terminal
> 4.  As it happened, Concorde was parked just outside the window and
> passengers were in the departure lounge, the Concorde check-in was adjacent
> to the desk we were using and was closing as we were setting up.
> Passengers started boarding while we shot the first shot of our story.
>
> Soon after we started recording our sequence, we became aware of a guy who
> was running the entire length of terminal 4, his coat flying open and
> carrying just a small bag. He arrived breathless at the now closed Concorde
> check-in and explained to the check-in girl that he had just received a
> call saying that his father was critically ill in New York and was unlikely
> to live for more than a few hours. He was desperate to get to New York as
> quickly as possible and begged to be allowed onto the plane whatever the
> cost.  The lady explained that the gate had shut some time ago, but
> understood his urgency and made a phone call to see if anything could be
> done under the circumstances, but warned him that it was unlikely.
>
> All of this exchange was done at quite a loud volume and we clearly heard
> every word of it on our microphones, our establishing shot had shown him
> running towards us.  I gestured to our director, indicating that the whole
> story so far was on tape and that we should switch to covering that story
> as it was such an amazing story.  The director explained that she was given
> the task of shooting this story about the computer and there would be hell
> to pay if she didn't complete it.  I was gobsmacked, but had no choice
> other than to continue with our story.
>
> After her phone call, the check-in girl said that the best course of
> action would be to process his ticket and take payment for it, adding that
> if it didn't come to anything, it would be cancelled and fully refunded.
> He readily agreed and as they finished the paperwork, her phone rang and
> she was told that he could be allowed on the flight after all.  Somebody
> appeared from behind the check-in desk and gestured him to follow her.  He
> sort of scampered over that short luggage conveyer belt by the desk and she
> led him into the depths of the terminal.
>
> By then, the door to Concorde had closed, but we noticed the steps being
> returned to the aircraft and sure enough, our man was seen running up the
> steps and getting onto the plane.  The doors closed once more and the
> aircraft soon moved off. The woman who had escorted him from behind the
> desk waved as he boarded the plane and he waved a heartfelt thank you in
> return.
>
> We shot exactly none of this.  The director insisted on continuing with
> our rather tedious story and by the time we had finished the last shot of
> the sequence, I imagine that our guy was hailing a cab in New York.  The
> whole story played out like some sort of advert dreamt up my Saatchi and
> Saatchi, but it was real life.  I'm disappointed that the director could
> have rejected what would have been the most memorable human interest story
> of the entire week.  Myself and the cameraman felt convinced from quite an
> early stage that we should have gone with that Concorde story and resumed
> our planned story afterwards.
>
> The second one was during the shooting of The Tripods in '83, one location
> we used was a tunnel within a stone quarry in Somerset.  The strange thing
> was that the tunnel had a truly massive steel door which was acoustically
> treated, while the walls of the tunnel were also treated in a similar
> fashion.  Think of the look of the walls of a bare studio, as often seen on
> the Old Grey Whistle test, but imagine it scaled up by an order of
> magnitude or two.  It turned out that the tunnels were used for continuous
> running tests while developing the Olympus engines prior to them being used
> on Concorde.  There had been some pretty extreme ventilation equipment
> installed at the time, but that had long since been removed.
>
> Alan Taylor
>
>
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From j at howell61.f9.co.uk  Mon Oct  7 12:34:06 2019
From: j at howell61.f9.co.uk (John Howell)
Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2019 18:34:06 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] On screen japes and wheezes
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I claim that one Geoff !


After a similar day with a similar Director, it was Pets Day on 
Playschool. The pets had succumbed to the studio heat

and were asleep in their cage. When the item was cued the Gram Op (Bob 
Foley I think) played the comedy

effect of several men snoring at double speed, remember the Chipmunks?

Laughter all round.

John H.



On 07/10/2019 17:12, Geoff Fletcher via Tech1 wrote:
> I remember on Play School one day we all got rather fed up with the 
> female director who was inexperienced but wouldn?t listen to any 
> advice the crew gave her. She was also severely lacking in the sense 
> of humour department. Someone in Sound control edited the play school 
> clock tape and turned all the notes round so that it played the tune 
> but the notes went NeeEEEP NeeEEP etc. On cameras and on the studio 
> floor we all fell about laughing but all she said was ?There?s 
> something wrong with the tape, Sound?. ( I name no names mon ami.)
> Geoff F
> On Mon, 7 Oct 2019 at 15:09, Peter Neill via Tech1 
> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:
>
>     A very similar story which I know to be 100% accurate (I was there)
>
>     Rehearsal (Softly, Softly)
>
>     Interview room, Barlow and felon in foreground.
>
>     Frank Windsor walks into back of shot carrying metal waste bin
>     stands with back to camera, adjusts his clothing and spins a
>     drawing pin in the bottom of the bin. The sound was very realistic.
>
>     Sent from my iPhone. Apologies for typos and autocorruptions.
>
>>     On 7 Oct 2019, at 14:15, Nick Ware via Tech1
>>     <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:
>>
>>     ? Poor old George Dixon! There?s also the one about another
>>     encounter he had with a Mole boom, as told to me by Alan Thorpe,
>>     so let?s assume it was him. Director calls ?lift the boom and cut
>>     to the wide?. Not knowing that Jack was leaning on the boom
>>     platform waiting for his next cue, up goes the boom, down goes
>>     the counter balance weight, ramming Jack?s helmet firmly down
>>     over his ears. Live TX of course, and much dialogue improvisation
>>     and stifled giggles while someone struggled to get his helmet off.
>>
>>     And another, which I?m 90% certain was live on air too: Inspector
>>     Barlow seated at table interviewing a ne?er-do-well, when just
>>     out of sight of the cameras, Brian Blessed walked in, stood
>>     facing into a corner of the set, and started rolling a marble
>>     around in a metal kidney bowl nicked off another set. As I said,
>>     90% certain, but I so want it to be true!
>>     Plenty of other in this vein, needless to say......
>>     Live TV at its best!
>>     Cheers,
>>     Nick.
>>
>>     Sent from my iPad mini 5
>>
>>>     On 7 Oct 2019, at 13:26, Roger E Long via Tech1
>>>     <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:
>>>
>>>     ? On my first induction to TV studios and a Mole boom in the
>>>     Grove after xfer from Bush House I managed to hit' George Dixon'
>>>     on the forehead with a 4033 when he did an unexpected rise from
>>>     the station sergeants desk, he was very gracious for my
>>>     grovelling apology.
>>>     On my first night shoot for Z Cars in Ealing I managed to get a
>>>     whole ElectroVoice EV642 gun mic (at least 24 ? long, 6?wide,
>>>     buff green foam gag) ? in shot and nobody noticed ,even on TX.
>>>     I did many Softly Softly film shoots without apparent disgrace.
>>>     Nighters were good earners.
>>>     For some weird reason we were Day Workers, so it was all overtime.
>>>
>>>     Roger
>>>
>>>>     On 7 Oct 2019, at 10:00, Mike Giles via Tech1
>>>>     <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>     As an oik from the sticks, I was getting to know the London
>>>>     ropes during the first month of my Sound Training course by
>>>>     working on the floor and was on a boom during a Softly. Frank
>>>>     Windsor, I believe, had been involved in some fracas which
>>>>     required medical examination - when the doctor opened his
>>>>     shirt, he was wearing a plastic torso of significant
>>>>     proportions and Stratford Johns who was also in the cubicle
>>>>     made some pithy remark at which the whole floor collapsed -
>>>>     must have been a nightmare for the PA trying to keep timings!
>>>>
>>>>     Mike G
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>     On 7 Oct 2019, at 00:38, phider via Tech1
>>>>>     <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>     ?
>>>>>     Z cars had its hilarious moments. Fancy and Jock were riding
>>>>>     the Ford Zephyr to the crime scene. The Eidophor of the
>>>>>     passing streets had been cued too early and as the end leader
>>>>>     ran out Brian Blessed said "It gets dark quickly these days."
>>>>>     As the following TK insert had also run early and finished, as
>>>>>     they got out the car the floor manager told them to get back
>>>>>     in and do the scene again while TK rewound. Happy days.
>>>>>     Live Softly Softly saw Alan Stratford Johns (a particularly
>>>>>     nice bloke by the way) open the Pub door to leave only to find
>>>>>     camera 5 waiting to come in. He turned to Frank Windsor and
>>>>>     said "It'll be quieter if we leave by the back door."
>>>>>     And who remembers Marius Goring and Victor Winding in the
>>>>>     Physicists completing the dress-run of an episode in full drag
>>>>>     but playing it straight. His long red wig matched his red
>>>>>     beard perfectly.
>>>>>     I hope the kids have as much fun as we did.
>>>>>     Best
>>>>>     Peter Hider
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>     Sent from Samsung Mobile on O2
>>>>>
>>>>>     -------- Original message --------
>>>>>     From: David Newbitt <dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net
>>>>>     <mailto:dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net>>
>>>>>     Date: 05/10/2019 14:01 (GMT+00:00)
>>>>>     To: patheigham <pat.heigham at amps.net
>>>>>     <mailto:pat.heigham at amps.net>>, Peter Hider <phider at gmx.com
>>>>>     <mailto:phider at gmx.com>>
>>>>>     Cc: Tech-Ops-chit-chat <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>>>>>     <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>>
>>>>>     Subject: Re: [Tech1] On screen japes and wheezes
>>>>>
>>>>>     There were some good japes not initiated by tech ops. One or
>>>>>     two from the halcyon days of live Z Cars ? here?s one I remember.
>>>>>     Stratford Johns at a hospital bedside attempting to draw
>>>>>     information from the seriously ill/dying occupant. Either
>>>>>     James Ellis or Brian Blessed (can?t remember which) crawled
>>>>>     unseen under the bed in rehearsal in the ?on all fours?
>>>>>     position and began humping his back up and down with
>>>>>     increasing vigour so that initial vertical disturbance of the
>>>>>     patient increased to the point of him being virtually
>>>>>     catapulted skywards. Keep a straight face? No chance!
>>>>>     Also on Z Cars, we boom operators learned to be wary of
>>>>>     exactly where the mic was when hovering near any of the flat
>>>>>     cap brigade. They were much given to raising their caps
>>>>>     without warning for a head scratch, thumping the 4033 with a
>>>>>     good thwack in the process. Mischievous behaviour was often
>>>>>     the order of the day in rehearsals but of course everyone was
>>>>>     utterly focused on the night so that we all coped somehow with
>>>>>     the often hair-raising business of getting to the next set
>>>>>     while a short bit of TK was running.
>>>>>     Dave Newbitt.
>>>>>     *From:* patheigham via Tech1
>>>>>     *Sent:* Saturday, October 5, 2019 11:58 AM
>>>>>     *To:* Peter Hider
>>>>>     *Cc:* Tech-Ops-chit-chat
>>>>>     *Subject:* Re: [Tech1] On screen japes and wheezes
>>>>>
>>>>>     When working as a Grams Op in the 60?s, I used to have fun on
>>>>>     the run-throughs with Gerry Blake directing; he loved my
>>>>>     mucking about, but one had to get it 100% right on
>>>>>     recording/transmission!
>>>>>
>>>>>     On ?Rupert of Hentzau? our heroine (Barbara Shelley) was
>>>>>     anxiously awaiting the return of her hero, and was pacing
>>>>>     nervously up and down, until she hears a mantle clock
>>>>>     striking, whereupon she goes and looks out of a window. On
>>>>>     rehearsal, I played in a cuckoo clock which reduced her to
>>>>>     helpless laughter!
>>>>>
>>>>>     Got into trouble on one of the first plays to be shot in
>>>>>     colour from Studio TC6.
>>>>>
>>>>>     A World War I drama - the farmer's Army son is deployed near
>>>>>     his dad's home, comes to visit - Dad says he'll go get a
>>>>>     chicken for lunch, exits to farmyard, out of vision.
>>>>>
>>>>>     I played in running footsteps, chicken squawking, then a thud.
>>>>>
>>>>>     Director: "What the hell was that, Pat?" "Father killing lunch!"
>>>>>
>>>>>     "Thank you, Pat, we'll let you know!"
>>>>>
>>>>>     Best
>>>>>
>>>>>     Pat
>>>>>
>>>>>     Sent from Mail
>>>>>     <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10
>>>>>
>>>>>     *From: *Peter Hider via Tech1
>>>>>     *Sent: *05 October 2019 09:50
>>>>>     *To: *alanaudio at me.com
>>>>>     *Cc: *Tech-Ops-chit-chat
>>>>>     *Subject: *Re: [Tech1] On screen japes and wheezes
>>>>>
>>>>>     It didn't make it transmission but when Johnny Ball was
>>>>>     matchin?? his animal noises to a caption sequence on
>>>>>     Playschool, we slipped in a giraffe photo for the dress run.
>>>>>     He used some really good post watershed language none of which
>>>>>     resembled the noise a giraffe makes, even after 9pm.
>>>>>
>>>>>     Best
>>>>>
>>>>>     Peter
>>>>>
>>>>>
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From geoffletch at gmail.com  Mon Oct  7 12:41:57 2019
From: geoffletch at gmail.com (Geoff Fletcher)
Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2019 18:41:57 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] On screen japes and wheezes
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I knew it was you John but thought I?d be diplomatic for once. I was doing
the clock camera that day - it?s one of my treasured BBC TV memories.
Geoff F


On Mon, 7 Oct 2019 at 18:34, John Howell via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
wrote:

> I claim that one Geoff !
>
>
> After a similar day with a similar Director, it was Pets Day on
> Playschool. The pets had succumbed to the studio heat
>
> and were asleep in their cage. When the item was cued the Gram Op (Bob
> Foley I think) played the comedy
>
> effect of several men snoring at double speed, remember the Chipmunks?
>
> Laughter all round.
>
> John H.
>
>
>
> On 07/10/2019 17:12, Geoff Fletcher via Tech1 wrote:
>
> I remember on Play School one day we all got rather fed up with the female
> director who was inexperienced but wouldn?t listen to any advice the crew
> gave her. She was also severely lacking in the sense of humour department.
> Someone in Sound control edited the play school clock tape and turned all
> the notes round so that it played the tune but the notes went NeeEEEP
> NeeEEP etc. On cameras and on the studio floor we all fell about laughing
> but all she said was ?There?s something wrong with the tape, Sound?. ( I
> name no names mon ami.)
> Geoff F
> On Mon, 7 Oct 2019 at 15:09, Peter Neill via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
>> A very similar story which I know to be 100% accurate (I was there)
>>
>> Rehearsal (Softly, Softly)
>>
>> Interview room, Barlow and felon in foreground.
>>
>> Frank Windsor walks into back of shot carrying metal waste bin stands
>> with back to camera, adjusts his clothing and spins a drawing pin in the
>> bottom of the bin. The sound was very realistic.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone. Apologies for typos and autocorruptions.
>>
>> On 7 Oct 2019, at 14:15, Nick Ware via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
>> wrote:
>>
>> ? Poor old George Dixon! There?s also the one about another encounter he
>> had with a Mole boom, as told to me by Alan Thorpe, so let?s assume it was
>> him. Director calls ?lift the boom and cut to the wide?. Not knowing that
>> Jack was leaning on the boom platform waiting for his next cue, up goes the
>> boom, down goes the counter balance weight, ramming Jack?s helmet firmly
>> down over his ears. Live TX of course, and much dialogue improvisation and
>> stifled giggles while someone struggled to get his helmet off.
>>
>>
>> And another, which I?m 90% certain was live on air too: Inspector Barlow
>> seated at table interviewing a ne?er-do-well, when just out of sight of the
>> cameras, Brian Blessed walked in, stood facing into a corner of the set,
>> and started rolling a marble around in a metal kidney bowl nicked off
>> another set. As I said, 90% certain, but I so want it to be true!
>> Plenty of other in this vein, needless to say......
>> Live TV at its best!
>> Cheers,
>> Nick.
>>
>> Sent from my iPad mini 5
>>
>> On 7 Oct 2019, at 13:26, Roger E Long via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
>> wrote:
>>
>> ? On my first induction to TV studios and a Mole boom in the Grove after
>> xfer from Bush House I managed to hit' George Dixon' on the forehead with a
>> 4033 when he did an unexpected rise from the station sergeants desk, he was
>> very gracious for my grovelling apology.
>> On my first night shoot for Z Cars in Ealing I managed to get a whole
>> ElectroVoice EV642 gun mic (at least 24 ? long, 6?wide, buff green foam
>> gag)   in shot and nobody noticed ,even on TX.
>> I did many Softly Softly film shoots without apparent disgrace.
>> Nighters were good earners.
>> For some weird reason we were Day Workers, so it was all overtime.
>>
>> Roger
>>
>> On 7 Oct 2019, at 10:00, Mike Giles via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
>> wrote:
>>
>> As an oik from the sticks, I was getting to know the London ropes during
>> the first month of my Sound Training course by working on the floor and was
>> on a boom during a Softly. Frank Windsor, I believe, had been involved in
>> some fracas which required medical examination - when the doctor opened his
>> shirt, he was wearing a plastic torso of significant proportions and
>> Stratford Johns who was also in the cubicle made some pithy remark at which
>> the whole floor collapsed - must have been a nightmare for the PA trying to
>> keep timings!
>>
>> Mike G
>>
>>
>>
>> On 7 Oct 2019, at 00:38, phider via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> ?
>> Z cars had its hilarious moments. Fancy and Jock were riding the Ford
>> Zephyr to the crime scene. The Eidophor of the passing streets had been
>> cued too early and as the end leader ran out Brian Blessed said "It gets
>> dark quickly these days." As the following TK insert had also run early and
>> finished, as they got out the car the floor manager told them to get back
>> in and do the scene again while TK rewound. Happy days.
>> Live Softly Softly saw Alan Stratford Johns (a particularly nice bloke by
>> the way) open the Pub door to leave only to find camera 5 waiting to come
>> in. He turned to Frank Windsor and said "It'll be quieter if we leave by
>> the back door."
>> And who remembers Marius Goring and Victor Winding in the Physicists
>> completing the dress-run of an episode in full drag but playing it
>> straight. His long red wig matched his red beard perfectly.
>> I hope the kids have as much fun as we did.
>> Best
>> Peter Hider
>>
>>
>> Sent from Samsung Mobile on O2
>>
>> -------- Original message --------
>> From: David Newbitt <dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net>
>> Date: 05/10/2019 14:01 (GMT+00:00)
>> To: patheigham <pat.heigham at amps.net>, Peter Hider <phider at gmx.com>
>> Cc: Tech-Ops-chit-chat <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] On screen japes and wheezes
>>
>> There were some good japes not initiated by tech ops. One or two from the
>> halcyon days of live Z Cars ? here?s one I remember.
>>
>> Stratford Johns at a hospital bedside attempting to draw information from
>> the seriously ill/dying occupant. Either James Ellis or Brian Blessed
>> (can?t remember which) crawled unseen under the bed in rehearsal in the ?on
>> all fours? position and began humping his back up and down with increasing
>> vigour so that initial vertical disturbance of the patient increased to the
>> point of him being virtually catapulted skywards. Keep a straight face? No
>> chance!
>>
>> Also on Z Cars, we boom operators learned to be wary of exactly where the
>> mic was when hovering near any of the flat cap brigade. They were much
>> given to raising their caps without warning for a head scratch, thumping
>> the 4033 with a good thwack in the process. Mischievous behaviour was often
>> the order of the day in rehearsals but of course everyone was utterly
>> focused on the night so that we all coped somehow with the often
>> hair-raising business of getting to the next set while a short bit of TK
>> was running.
>>
>> Dave Newbitt.
>>
>> *From:* patheigham via Tech1
>> *Sent:* Saturday, October 5, 2019 11:58 AM
>> *To:* Peter Hider
>> *Cc:* Tech-Ops-chit-chat
>> *Subject:* Re: [Tech1] On screen japes and wheezes
>>
>>
>> When working as a Grams Op in the 60?s, I used to have fun on the
>> run-throughs with Gerry Blake directing; he loved my mucking about, but one
>> had to get it 100% right on recording/transmission!
>>
>> On ?Rupert of Hentzau? our heroine (Barbara Shelley) was anxiously
>> awaiting the return of her hero, and was pacing nervously up and down,
>> until she hears a mantle clock striking, whereupon she goes and looks out
>> of a window. On rehearsal, I played in a cuckoo clock which reduced her to
>> helpless laughter!
>>
>> Got into trouble on one of the first plays to be shot in colour from
>> Studio TC6.
>>
>> A World War I drama - the farmer's Army son is deployed near his dad's
>> home, comes to visit - Dad says he'll go get a chicken for lunch, exits to
>> farmyard, out of vision.
>>
>> I played in running footsteps, chicken squawking, then a thud.
>>
>> Director: "What the hell was that, Pat?" "Father killing lunch!"
>>
>> "Thank you, Pat, we'll let you know!"
>>
>> Best
>>
>> Pat
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
>> Windows 10
>>
>>
>>
>> *From: *Peter Hider via Tech1
>> *Sent: *05 October 2019 09:50
>> *To: *alanaudio at me.com
>> *Cc: *Tech-Ops-chit-chat
>> *Subject: *Re: [Tech1] On screen japes and wheezes
>>
>>
>>
>> It didn't make it transmission but when Johnny Ball was matchin?  his
>> animal noises to a caption sequence on Playschool, we slipped in a giraffe
>> photo for the dress run. He used some really good post watershed language
>> none of which resembled the noise a giraffe makes, even after 9pm.
>>
>> Best
>>
>> Peter
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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From alanaudio at me.com  Mon Oct  7 15:31:46 2019
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2019 21:31:46 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] On screen japes and wheezes
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I'll own up to trying one wheeze which didn't work.

We were recording David Attenborough's Christmas Lecture from the Royal Institution in the 70's, his subject was the language of animals.  One demo involved a chameleon, but the chameleon was prone to falling asleep as it was rather cold in the prep room.  The solution was to point a redhead lamp at it's tank prior to it being taken into the lecture hall.  Knowing that chameleons adjust their colour to match their background, I tried putting coloured gels over the lamp with the hope of turning the chameleon bright red, cobalt blue or maybe purple.  Sadly the chameleon only appears to offer a spectrum of shades from green, through brown to a muted yellow, which didn't seem to offer much comic potential.

Alan Taylor





On 7 Oct 2019, at 7 Oct . 18:41, Geoff Fletcher via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

> I knew it was you John but thought I?d be diplomatic for once. I was doing the clock camera that day - it?s one of my treasured BBC TV memories. 
> Geoff F
> 
> 
> On Mon, 7 Oct 2019 at 18:34, John Howell via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> I claim that one Geoff !
> 
> 
> 
> After a similar day with a similar Director, it was Pets Day on Playschool. The pets had succumbed to the studio heat
> 
> and were asleep in their cage. When the item was cued the Gram Op (Bob Foley I think) played the comedy
> 
> effect of several men snoring at double speed, remember the Chipmunks?
> 
> Laughter all round.
> 
> John H.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 07/10/2019 17:12, Geoff Fletcher via Tech1 wrote:
>> I remember on Play School one day we all got rather fed up with the female director who was inexperienced but wouldn?t listen to any advice the crew gave her. She was also severely lacking in the sense of humour department. Someone in Sound control edited the play school clock tape and turned all the notes round so that it played the tune but the notes went NeeEEEP NeeEEP etc. On cameras and on the studio floor we all fell about laughing but all she said was ?There?s something wrong with the tape, Sound?. ( I name no names mon ami.)
>> Geoff F
>> On Mon, 7 Oct 2019 at 15:09, Peter Neill via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> A very similar story which I know to be 100% accurate (I was there)
>> 
>> Rehearsal (Softly, Softly)
>> 
>> Interview room, Barlow and felon in foreground. 
>> 
>> Frank Windsor walks into back of shot carrying metal waste bin stands with back to camera, adjusts his clothing and spins a drawing pin in the bottom of the bin. The sound was very realistic. 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone. Apologies for typos and autocorruptions. 
>> 
>>> On 7 Oct 2019, at 14:15, Nick Ware via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ? Poor old George Dixon! There?s also the one about another encounter he had with a Mole boom, as told to me by Alan Thorpe, so let?s assume it was him. Director calls ?lift the boom and cut to the wide?. Not knowing that Jack was leaning on the boom platform waiting for his next cue, up goes the boom, down goes the counter balance weight, ramming Jack?s helmet firmly down over his ears. Live TX of course, and much dialogue improvisation and stifled giggles while someone struggled to get his helmet off.
>> 
>>> 
>>> And another, which I?m 90% certain was live on air too: Inspector Barlow seated at table interviewing a ne?er-do-well, when just out of sight of the cameras, Brian Blessed walked in, stood facing into a corner of the set, and started rolling a marble around in a metal kidney bowl nicked off another set. As I said, 90% certain, but I so want it to be true!
>>> Plenty of other in this vein, needless to say......
>>> Live TV at its best!
>>> Cheers,
>>> Nick.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPad mini 5
>>> 
>>>> On 7 Oct 2019, at 13:26, Roger E Long via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> ? On my first induction to TV studios and a Mole boom in the Grove after xfer from Bush House I managed to hit' George Dixon' on the forehead with a 4033 when he did an unexpected rise from the station sergeants desk, he was very gracious for my grovelling apology.
>>>> On my first night shoot for Z Cars in Ealing I managed to get a whole ElectroVoice EV642 gun mic (at least 24 ? long, 6?wide, buff green foam gag)   in shot and nobody noticed ,even on TX.
>>>> I did many Softly Softly film shoots without apparent disgrace.
>>>> Nighters were good earners.
>>>> For some weird reason we were Day Workers, so it was all overtime.
>>>> 
>>>> Roger
>>>> 
>>>>> On 7 Oct 2019, at 10:00, Mike Giles via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> As an oik from the sticks, I was getting to know the London ropes during the first month of my Sound Training course by working on the floor and was on a boom during a Softly. Frank Windsor, I believe, had been involved in some fracas which required medical examination - when the doctor opened his shirt, he was wearing a plastic torso of significant proportions and Stratford Johns who was also in the cubicle made some pithy remark at which the whole floor collapsed - must have been a nightmare for the PA trying to keep timings!
>>>>> 
>>>>> Mike G
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 7 Oct 2019, at 00:38, phider via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> ?
>>>>>> Z cars had its hilarious moments. Fancy and Jock were riding the Ford Zephyr to the crime scene. The Eidophor of the passing streets had been cued too early and as the end leader ran out Brian Blessed said "It gets dark quickly these days." As the following TK insert had also run early and finished, as they got out the car the floor manager told them to get back in and do the scene again while TK rewound. Happy days. 
>>>>>> Live Softly Softly saw Alan Stratford Johns (a particularly nice bloke by the way) open the Pub door to leave only to find camera 5 waiting to come in. He turned to Frank Windsor and said "It'll be quieter if we leave by the back door."
>>>>>> And who remembers Marius Goring and Victor Winding in the Physicists completing the dress-run of an episode in full drag but playing it straight. His long red wig matched his red beard perfectly.
>>>>>> I hope the kids have as much fun as we did.
>>>>>> Best 
>>>>>> Peter Hider
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Sent from Samsung Mobile on O2
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -------- Original message --------
>>>>>> From: David Newbitt <dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net>
>>>>>> Date: 05/10/2019 14:01 (GMT+00:00)
>>>>>> To: patheigham <pat.heigham at amps.net>, Peter Hider <phider at gmx.com>
>>>>>> Cc: Tech-Ops-chit-chat <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] On screen japes and wheezes
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> There were some good japes not initiated by tech ops. One or two from the halcyon days of live Z Cars ? here?s one I remember.
>>>>>>  
>>>>>> Stratford Johns at a hospital bedside attempting to draw information from the seriously ill/dying occupant. Either James Ellis or Brian Blessed (can?t remember which) crawled unseen under the                                                 bed in rehearsal in the ?on all fours? position and began humping his back up and down with increasing vigour so that initial vertical disturbance of the patient increased to the point of him being virtually catapulted skywards. Keep a straight face? No chance!
>>>>>>  
>>>>>> Also on Z Cars, we boom operators learned to be wary of exactly where the mic was when hovering near any of the flat cap brigade. They were much given to raising their caps without warning for a head scratch, thumping the 4033 with a good thwack in the process. Mischievous behaviour was often the order of the day in rehearsals but of course everyone was utterly focused on the night so that we all coped somehow with the often hair-raising business of getting to the next set while a short bit of TK was running.
>>>>>>  
>>>>>> Dave Newbitt.
>>>>>>  
>>>>>> From: patheigham via Tech1
>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, October 5, 2019 11:58 AM
>>>>>> To: Peter Hider
>>>>>> Cc: Tech-Ops-chit-chat
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] On screen japes and wheezes
>>>>>>  
>>>>>> When working as a Grams Op in the 60?s, I used to have fun on the run-throughs with Gerry Blake directing; he loved my mucking about, but one had to get it 100% right on recording/transmission!
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On ?Rupert of Hentzau? our heroine (Barbara Shelley) was anxiously awaiting the return of her hero, and was pacing nervously up and down, until she hears a mantle clock striking, whereupon she goes and looks out of a window. On rehearsal, I played in a cuckoo clock which reduced her to helpless laughter!
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Got into trouble on one of the first plays to be shot in colour from Studio TC6.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> A World War I drama - the farmer's Army son is deployed near his dad's home, comes to visit - Dad says he'll go get a chicken for lunch, exits to farmyard, out of vision.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I played in running footsteps, chicken squawking, then a thud.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Director: "What the hell was that, Pat?" "Father killing lunch!"
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> "Thank you, Pat, we'll let you know!"
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Best
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Pat
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>  
>>>>>> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>  
>>>>>> From: Peter Hider via Tech1
>>>>>> Sent: 05 October 2019 09:50
>>>>>> To: alanaudio at me.com
>>>>>> Cc: Tech-Ops-chit-chat
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] On screen japes and wheezes
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>  
>>>>>> It didn't make it transmission but when Johnny Ball was matchin?  his animal noises to a caption sequence on Playschool, we slipped in a giraffe photo for the dress run. He used some really good post watershed language none of which resembled the noise a giraffe makes, even after 9pm.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Best
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Peter
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>  
>>>>>>  
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Mon Oct  7 15:52:58 2019
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2019 21:52:58 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Concorde
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I cannot claim a Concorde flight, but one job I was in for ?Blind Date?
sent me to Mauritius. The winning contestants did not get on, and on the flight home the guy apparently was extremely rude to the cabin crew and the Captain was all for evicting us at Nairobi.
My cameraman and I had no idea of this contretemps, as we were seated several rows in front.
I learned later that BA refused to fly LWT crews again.
Well LWT doesn?t exist anymore!
Pat

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From: John Nottage via Tech1
Sent: 07 October 2019 17:13
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Concorde

Wasn't there a Stewart Morris show where they tried to do a dance 
routine in Concorde? I'm told all they managed to do was to sit in the 
seats & wave their arms about into the aisle! Flew BA First Class to 
Nairobi once: rather nice, much more space & comfort than Concorde ever 
had. All it really had in it's favour was speed.



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From alanaudio at me.com  Mon Oct  7 16:41:18 2019
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2019 22:41:18 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Concorde
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I worked on the show which John Nottage mentioned.  It was on the old MCR21, which by then had been converted to be a colour 2 camera scanner  That particular scanner, dating from 1963 is the one which is currently being restored to it's former glory as it was in the days of B&W television.

The dance routine was to be an insert for an Engelbert Humperdinck show and was recorded on the full sized mock up of Concorde at Filton.   I've written before about those inserts because each one of them turned into a comedy of errors, many of them exacerbated by Stewart's insistence for doing everything on an epic scale. On other shoots in that series we wrecked the set of Oliver with a Chapman Titan crane, flew a helicopter over the fountains in Blenheim Palace's Italian gardens blowing the water all over the dancers, while on the Bluebell line, an editec VTR cue went wrong and wiped all the recording prior to that point, erasing most of that day's work. 

The choreographer taped out the interior dimensions of Concorde on the North Acton rehearsal room floor and a routine was devised and rehearsed.  What he hadn't realised is that Concorde interior was essentially a small tube with very limited headroom. As a result,when they got to Filton, they discovered that it wasn't possible for the Young Generation dancers to stand up or move about and certainly not possible for them to wave their hands in the air and leap about as intended.  They ended up seated and waving their hands around for the first part of the hastily revised routine and then ran through the emergency doors onto the port wing where they could dance a little more energetically.

Alan Taylor



> Wasn't there a Stewart Morris show where they tried to do a dance routine in Concorde?

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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Tue Oct  8 04:13:35 2019
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2019 10:13:35 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Concorde
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At 10:47:53 on 20/10/2003 I took this photo of Concorde's last departure 
to the US. This was a regular sight from my front garden as Concorde 
flew over KT10. Cheers, Dave.
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From graeme.wall at icloud.com  Tue Oct  8 04:20:34 2019
From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall)
Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2019 10:20:34 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Concorde
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> On 7 Oct 2019, at 16:21, vernon.dyer via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Speaking of getting inside Concorde, in case anyone doesn't know, there's a Concorde at Brooklands which you can visit and have a guided tour. Quite fascinating. The interior seems so cramped compared with later aircraft. 
> 


Also one at Filton and a pre-production aircraft at Yeovilton. Brooklands also has a Concorde flight simulator up and working

? 
Graeme Wall


From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com  Tue Oct  8 04:28:09 2019
From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray)
Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2019 10:28:09 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Topics Issue 1 - Updated
Message-ID: <8c9e119b-6046-46cd-139f-5d98a259ea6b@gmail.com>

Hi all,

Since the publication of Topics, Issue 1, Pat Heigham and Alan Taylor 
have sent? interesting material about Boom Operation. Since this fits in 
nicely with the general sort of theme of issue 1,? it's now been 
included, so there is now a republication of\:

http://tech-ops.co.uk/next/2019/09/topics-issue-1

Enjoy!

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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Tue Oct  8 17:30:47 2019
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2019 23:30:47 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] A YouTube for you
Message-ID: <84517b2e-3b92-10c3-4fa3-cee499278849@gmail.com>


A conversation between Rod Liddle and John Humphrys, mostly about their 
opinion of BBC management. You may identify with the opinions, but 
probably not with the camerawork -

https://youtu.be/bW8F8m3wdrc

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From rogerbunce at btinternet.com  Wed Oct  9 06:35:09 2019
From: rogerbunce at btinternet.com (ROGER BUNCE)
Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2019 11:35:09 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tech1] A YouTube for you
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 The Ped-Ant within me is rising- Steaming. Two so-called 'journalists' confusing themselves because of their inaccurate use of vocabulary - call themselves wordsmiths?
Firstly, they fail to distinguish between criticism of ?'The BBC' and criticism of 'BBC Management'. I disapprove of the first, but regard the second as compulsory.
Secondly -Some time ago, I was filling in a computerised application form for the British Library. It asked, "What is you Gender? Male or Female."To which I wanted to scream - "Those aren't Genders! Those are Sexes! Why is everyone afraid of the word SEX these days? Masculine and Feminine are Genders. Male and Female are Sexes! If you want to know my Gender, the answer is - 'Mostly Masculine, but I like to think I'm in touch with my Feminine side'. But you just want to know whether I've got a Y Chromosome - which is my SEX!"
Here, Rod Liddle and John Humphrys are confusing themselves because of the same failure to distinguish between Sex and Gender. There are only two Sexes (Male and Female - XX and XY Chromosomes) - with a small minority of biologically ambiguous situations in between. But there are a broad spectrum of Genders. O.K., language changes over time. American Feminists, in the 1970s, started to use 'Gender" when they meant 'Sex', and today the distinction is blurred. But if that distinction were restored, BBC Journalists might have a better understanding of the diversity within our midst.
luv, Rog.?
     On Tuesday, 8 October 2019, 23:31:16 BST, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:  
 
   
 A conversation between Rod Liddle and John Humphrys, mostly about their opinion of BBC management. You may identify with the opinions, but probably not with the camerawork - 
 
 https://youtu.be/bW8F8m3wdrc
 
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From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net  Fri Oct 11 01:43:35 2019
From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt)
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2019 07:43:35 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Fw:  On screen japes and wheezes
Message-ID: <97606794D9454834B9825485AFC309CD@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>



From: David Newbitt 
Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2019 4:53 PM
To: patheigham 
Subject: Re: [Tech1] On screen japes and wheezes

Speaking of leaning on the boom platform, boom trackers (understandably) at times had one hand or the other on the platform. I recall one SA1 who would take every opportunity to discourage the practice by standing on the offending fingers!

Dave Newbitt.

From: patheigham via Tech1 
Sent: Monday, October 7, 2019 2:37 PM
To: Nick Ware ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk 
Subject: Re: [Tech1] On screen japes and wheezes

Lovely story!

 

People leaning on the boom platform had no idea that there was enough give in the tyres to drop the mike into shot, as the arm whipped (particularly on an audience sit-com as one was working millimetres above the top of frame). I believe that it was permitted to kick their heads!

A story, (OK this might have been published before...)

On one play, luckily on rehearsal - remember that the Mole booms had a support wire cable that ran over the top of the pivot to either end of the fixed tube. I had to do a fast swing between sets, and the sparks had left a safety cable hanging from one of the lighting barrels. What were the chances of the boom wire catching and latching the snap carabiner on the end? It did! & the momentum of the arm caused the whole barrel to lurch sideways. Too far to lean forward and detach the snap hook so everything came to a grinding halt while a stepladder was found to climb up and release.

That would have been fun if on a live transmission!

Pat

 

 

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From: Nick Ware via Tech1
Sent: 07 October 2019 14:14
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Tech1] On screen japes and wheezes

 

Poor old George Dixon! There?s also the one about another encounter he had with a Mole boom, as told to me by Alan Thorpe, so let?s assume it was him. Director calls ?lift the boom and cut to the wide?. Not knowing that Jack was leaning on the boom platform waiting for his next cue, up goes the boom, down goes the counter balance weight, ramming Jack?s helmet firmly down over his ears. Live TX of course, and much dialogue improvisation and stifled giggles while someone struggled to get his helmet off. 

 

 




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From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net  Fri Oct 11 01:44:07 2019
From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt)
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2019 07:44:07 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Fw:  Concorde
Message-ID: <6AA5729DDD2B435D8D6BF32AD83D1182@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>



-----Original Message----- 
From: David Newbitt
Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2019 5:07 PM
To: dave.mdv
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Concorde

In the Concorde years we were in West Somerset, close enough to the West
coast that we could hear the bang as the aircraft went supersonic over the
sea. I don't remember the exact timings or times of year but one flight time
coincided with the peace and quiet after birdlife had gone to roost for the
night. In our valley the birdlife included scores of pheasants who
invariably reacted to the bang with an orchestrated cacophony, no doubt in
protest. Pheasants have very small heads and even smaller brains. They learn
nothing so they never learned to accommodate the disturbance.

A rural 'take' on high tech!

Dave Newbitt.

-----Original Message----- 
From: dave.mdv via Tech1
Sent: Tuesday, October 8, 2019 10:13 AM
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Concorde

At 10:47:53 on 20/10/2003 I took this photo of Concorde's last departure
to the US. This was a regular sight from my front garden as Concorde
flew over KT10. Cheers, Dave.






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From alanaudio at me.com  Fri Oct 11 02:25:40 2019
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2019 08:25:40 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Concorde
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References: <6AA5729DDD2B435D8D6BF32AD83D1182@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>
Message-ID: <FAD823EF-98B3-405B-A5BD-1B513D6DDE25@me.com>

I saw an interesting view of Concorde was during the 1999 solar eclipse.  I was having a family holiday in Ventnor, Isle of Wight and a little before before totality, I heard the distinctive sound of Concorde's engines, but of course, being England, there was a thin layer of low cloud obscuring the heavens.  Then in the dimming light, I observed Concorde's distinctive shadow thrown onto the thin layer of cloud, as it flew above it while flying south.  I was surprised that the partially eclipsed sun was able to create a strong enough shadow to be visible under those circumstances.  Fortunately the thin cloud cleared by the crucial moment and we got an excellent view of the eclipse, which was reported as being 96% eclipsed in that area.

Later that day we went to the area near the Needles and I've never seen such a huge armada of boats as there were that day returning from having viewed the total eclipse a few miles off the coast.

Alan Taylor


On 11 Oct 2019, at 11 Oct . 07:44, David Newbitt via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

> 
> 
> -----Original Message----- From: David Newbitt
> Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2019 5:07 PM
> To: dave.mdv
> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Concorde
> 
> In the Concorde years we were in West Somerset, close enough to the West
> coast that we could hear the bang as the aircraft went supersonic over the
> sea. I don't remember the exact timings or times of year but one flight time
> coincided with the peace and quiet after birdlife had gone to roost for the
> night. In our valley the birdlife included scores of pheasants who
> invariably reacted to the bang with an orchestrated cacophony, no doubt in
> protest. Pheasants have very small heads and even smaller brains. They learn
> nothing so they never learned to accommodate the disturbance.
> 
> A rural 'take' on high tech!
> 
> Dave Newbitt.
> 
> -----Original Message----- From: dave.mdv via Tech1
> Sent: Tuesday, October 8, 2019 10:13 AM
> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Concorde
> 
> At 10:47:53 on 20/10/2003 I took this photo of Concorde's last departure
> to the US. This was a regular sight from my front garden as Concorde
> flew over KT10. Cheers, Dave.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From geoffletch at gmail.com  Fri Oct 11 02:57:13 2019
From: geoffletch at gmail.com (Geoff Fletcher)
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2019 08:57:13 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Fw: On screen japes and wheezes
In-Reply-To: <97606794D9454834B9825485AFC309CD@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>
References: <97606794D9454834B9825485AFC309CD@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>
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On a Panorama? once I witnessed Tim Healey getting clobbered by a boom mic.
We were doing cameras on opposite sides of the studio at Lime Grove. There
was a set up at each end with a boom in the middle which covered both. We
finished at one end and repositioned to the other during some TK. Tim and I
pushed our peds down the studio, the boom op elevated the mic end and swung
the arm while his tracker began to push the boom along. Said op checked the
back of the arm and lifted it up to avoid bashing a scene hand. The mic at
the other end came down neatly onto Tim?s head,  just avoiding his
viewfinder hood. Poor old Tim didn?t know what hit him, but no lasting harm
was done, and it was a very funny incident to those watching. I just
happened to look in his direction as I was doing my own repos.
Geoff F

On Fri, 11 Oct 2019 at 07:44, David Newbitt via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
wrote:

>
>
> *From:* David Newbitt
> *Sent:* Thursday, October 10, 2019 4:53 PM
> *To:* patheigham
> *Subject:* Re: [Tech1] On screen japes and wheezes
>
> Speaking of leaning on the boom platform, boom trackers (understandably)
> at times had one hand or the other on the platform. I recall one SA1 who
> would take every opportunity to discourage the practice by standing on the
> offending fingers!
>
> Dave Newbitt.
>
> *From:* patheigham via Tech1
> *Sent:* Monday, October 7, 2019 2:37 PM
> *To:* Nick Ware ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> *Subject:* Re: [Tech1] On screen japes and wheezes
>
>
> Lovely story!
>
>
>
> People leaning on the boom platform had no idea that there was enough give
> in the tyres to drop the mike into shot, as the arm whipped (particularly
> on an audience sit-com as one was working millimetres above the top of
> frame). I believe that it was permitted to kick their heads!
>
> A story, (OK this might have been published before...)
>
> On one play, luckily on rehearsal - remember that the Mole booms had a
> support wire cable that ran over the top of the pivot to either end of the
> fixed tube. I had to do a fast swing between sets, and the sparks had left
> a safety cable hanging from one of the lighting barrels. What were the
> chances of the boom wire catching and latching the snap carabiner on the
> end? It did! & the momentum of the arm caused the whole barrel to lurch
> sideways. Too far to lean forward and detach the snap hook so everything
> came to a grinding halt while a stepladder was found to climb up and
> release.
>
> That would have been fun if on a live transmission!
>
> Pat
>
>
>
>
>
> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
> Windows 10
>
>
>
> *From: *Nick Ware via Tech1
> *Sent: *07 October 2019 14:14
> *To: *tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> *Subject: *Re: [Tech1] On screen japes and wheezes
>
>
>
> Poor old George Dixon! There?s also the one about another encounter he had
> with a Mole boom, as told to me by Alan Thorpe, so let?s assume it was him.
> Director calls ?lift the boom and cut to the wide?. Not knowing that Jack
> was leaning on the boom platform waiting for his next cue, up goes the
> boom, down goes the counter balance weight, ramming Jack?s helmet firmly
> down over his ears. Live TX of course, and much dialogue improvisation and
> stifled giggles while someone struggled to get his helmet off.
>
>
>
>
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From geoffletch at gmail.com  Fri Oct 11 03:01:26 2019
From: geoffletch at gmail.com (Geoff Fletcher)
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2019 09:01:26 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Concorde
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I was in the car park at Heathrow one day having returned from a recce in
Germany. A Concord came in on finals right over the car park and the noise
and vibration set off all the car alarms!
Geoff F

On Fri, 11 Oct 2019 at 08:26, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
wrote:

> I saw an interesting view of Concorde was during the 1999 solar eclipse.
> I was having a family holiday in Ventnor, Isle of Wight and a little before
> before totality, I heard the distinctive sound of Concorde's engines, but
> of course, being England, there was a thin layer of low cloud obscuring the
> heavens.  Then in the dimming light, I observed Concorde's distinctive
> shadow thrown onto the thin layer of cloud, as it flew above it while
> flying south.  I was surprised that the partially eclipsed sun was able to
> create a strong enough shadow to be visible under those circumstances.
> Fortunately the thin cloud cleared by the crucial moment and we got an
> excellent view of the eclipse, which was reported as being 96% eclipsed in
> that area.
>
> Later that day we went to the area near the Needles and I've never seen
> such a huge armada of boats as there were that day returning from having
> viewed the total eclipse a few miles off the coast.
>
> Alan Taylor
>
>
> On 11 Oct 2019, at 11 Oct . 07:44, David Newbitt via Tech1 <
> tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message----- From: David Newbitt
> > Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2019 5:07 PM
> > To: dave.mdv
> > Subject: Re: [Tech1] Concorde
> >
> > In the Concorde years we were in West Somerset, close enough to the West
> > coast that we could hear the bang as the aircraft went supersonic over
> the
> > sea. I don't remember the exact timings or times of year but one flight
> time
> > coincided with the peace and quiet after birdlife had gone to roost for
> the
> > night. In our valley the birdlife included scores of pheasants who
> > invariably reacted to the bang with an orchestrated cacophony, no doubt
> in
> > protest. Pheasants have very small heads and even smaller brains. They
> learn
> > nothing so they never learned to accommodate the disturbance.
> >
> > A rural 'take' on high tech!
> >
> > Dave Newbitt.
> >
> > -----Original Message----- From: dave.mdv via Tech1
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 8, 2019 10:13 AM
> > To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> > Subject: Re: [Tech1] Concorde
> >
> > At 10:47:53 on 20/10/2003 I took this photo of Concorde's last departure
> > to the US. This was a regular sight from my front garden as Concorde
> > flew over KT10. Cheers, Dave.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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From ian.norman at armoor.co.uk  Fri Oct 11 04:22:10 2019
From: ian.norman at armoor.co.uk (ian.norman at armoor.co.uk)
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2019 10:22:10 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Fw: Concorde
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Message-ID: <178fbdb0-db3d-4141-c972-66102af04dee@armoor.plus.com>

Dear Dave,

I live in the middle of Exmoor and it was about 21:00 when Concorde's 
sonic bang could be heard here!

I was often outside at the time and you could almost set your watch by it.


Best regards

Ian Norman

Email: mailto:ian.norman at armoor.co.uk
Telephone: 01643 888181

On 11/10/2019 07:44, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote:
> 
> 
> -----Original Message----- From: David Newbitt
> Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2019 5:07 PM
> To: dave.mdv
> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Concorde
> 
> In the Concorde years we were in West Somerset, close enough to the West
> coast that we could hear the bang as the aircraft went supersonic over the
> sea. I don't remember the exact timings or times of year but one flight 
> time
> coincided with the peace and quiet after birdlife had gone to roost for the
> night. In our valley the birdlife included scores of pheasants who
> invariably reacted to the bang with an orchestrated cacophony, no doubt in
> protest. Pheasants have very small heads and even smaller brains. They 
> learn
> nothing so they never learned to accommodate the disturbance.
> 
> A rural 'take' on high tech!
> 
> Dave Newbitt.
> 
> -----Original Message----- From: dave.mdv via Tech1
> Sent: Tuesday, October 8, 2019 10:13 AM
> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Concorde
> 
> At 10:47:53 on 20/10/2003 I took this photo of Concorde's last departure
> to the US. This was a regular sight from my front garden as Concorde
> flew over KT10. Cheers, Dave.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 


From alanaudio at me.com  Fri Oct 11 05:18:02 2019
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2019 11:18:02 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Concorde
In-Reply-To: <178fbdb0-db3d-4141-c972-66102af04dee@armoor.plus.com>
References: <6AA5729DDD2B435D8D6BF32AD83D1182@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>
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Message-ID: <7BC697B6-7A6C-44C4-AB84-9F3181A1BFF4@me.com>

When Concorde was being developed, there was a study to assess what sort of effect sonic booms might have on buildings.  They built a sonic boom simulator in Farnborough and we did a Tomorrow's World story from there.

The sonic boom simulator was like a giant megaphone, tens of feet long, designed so that materials to be tested could be mounted at the open end.  The pointed end had a plastic membrane a few inches from the end and there was a thin wire bonded around the edge the membrane which would instantly get hot when current was applied and cause the membrane to rupture.  Compressed air was injected into the pointed end and the pressure built up behind the membrane.  At the designated pressure, current was applied, the membrane disintegrated and the rapidly expanding air rushed along the megaphone creating a sonic boom as it went.

We weren't given an opportunity to rehearse it and certainly weren't allowed "one for level", but I was warned that it wouldn't be as loud as one might imagine.  When we televised it, we watched the pressure gauge rise towards the mark, and there was a very dramatic countdown followed by the sound of .... well, not much really.  It made a very unimpressive whooshing popping sound.  The instrumentation showed that a shock wave well in excess of Mach 1 had happened, but it was very localised and was certainly nothing like what any of us had imagined.

I did experience many sonic booms when I was a kid because we used to go to air displays at Marham.  It was standard practice to experience a sonic boom or two as jet fighters of the day whizzed past at top speed.  The other unforgettable noise was when a Vulcan bomber used to do it's party trick of flying towards the spectator area and then climbing vertically above us.  Health and safety people might have something to say about such things these days, but if they said such things in those days, nobody heard them, presumably because of all the sonic booms and Vulcans climbing vertically at full throttle.

Alan Taylor



On 11 Oct 2019, at 11 Oct . 10:22, ian.norman--- via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

> Dear Dave,
> 
> I live in the middle of Exmoor and it was about 21:00 when Concorde's sonic bang could be heard here!
> 
> I was often outside at the time and you could almost set your watch by it.
> 
> 
> Best regards
> 
> Ian Norman
> 
> Email: mailto:ian.norman at armoor.co.uk
> Telephone: 01643 888181
> 
> On 11/10/2019 07:44, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote:
>> -----Original Message----- From: David Newbitt
>> Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2019 5:07 PM
>> To: dave.mdv
>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Concorde
>> In the Concorde years we were in West Somerset, close enough to the West
>> coast that we could hear the bang as the aircraft went supersonic over the
>> sea. I don't remember the exact timings or times of year but one flight time
>> coincided with the peace and quiet after birdlife had gone to roost for the
>> night. In our valley the birdlife included scores of pheasants who
>> invariably reacted to the bang with an orchestrated cacophony, no doubt in
>> protest. Pheasants have very small heads and even smaller brains. They learn
>> nothing so they never learned to accommodate the disturbance.
>> A rural 'take' on high tech!
>> Dave Newbitt.
>> -----Original Message----- From: dave.mdv via Tech1
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 8, 2019 10:13 AM
>> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Concorde
>> At 10:47:53 on 20/10/2003 I took this photo of Concorde's last departure
>> to the US. This was a regular sight from my front garden as Concorde
>> flew over KT10. Cheers, Dave.
> 
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From mikej at bmanor.co.uk  Fri Oct 11 05:48:18 2019
From: mikej at bmanor.co.uk (Mike Jordan)
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2019 11:48:18 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Concorde
In-Reply-To: <7BC697B6-7A6C-44C4-AB84-9F3181A1BFF4@me.com>
References: <6AA5729DDD2B435D8D6BF32AD83D1182@DESKTOP6GGCRV1><178fbdb0-db3d-4141-c972-66102af04dee@armoor.plus.com>
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Not strictly Concorde but seeing the first line of Alan's posting reminds me 
of when I was in OBs working on Farnborough Air Show we (in old days) had a 
GPO line from some sort of building right next to the main runway for audio 
(or was it video) back to the scanner at main site up on the hill.
One of my jobs was to go out to that building and check out the line.
So there I was sitting peacefully with my portable tone source when a flock 
of Harriers (RAF not birds!) decided to take off and I can tell you they are 
VERY noisy at a short distance with full throttle.

Sorry can't hear you - and that isn't just the 15.625Kc/s notch filter in my 
ears from working close to monitors for years. (after 10.125Kc/s for 405 
lines)

Mike

-----Original Message----- 
From: Alan Taylor via Tech1
Sent: Friday, October 11, 2019 11:18 AM
To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Concorde

When Concorde was being developed, there was a study to assess what sort of 
effect sonic booms might have on buildings.  They built a sonic boom 
simulator in Farnborough and we did a Tomorrow's World story from there.




From bernie833 at gmail.com  Fri Oct 11 06:52:27 2019
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2019 12:52:27 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] BBC archive - On this day...
Message-ID: <240b4b6d-6814-0f73-32ad-f82f1eadbc04@gmail.com>

...they broadcast the first Grandstand in 1958

Anyone recognise the crew?

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From ohbytheway.tv at gmail.com  Fri Oct 11 06:54:12 2019
From: ohbytheway.tv at gmail.com (David Denness)
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2019 12:54:12 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Concorde
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In April 1969 I was part of the TV crew with Intertel, probably working for
ITN, at Fairford in Gloucester awaiting the arrival of Concorde 002's first
flight taking off from Filton where the runway was too short for it to land.
Unfortunately it was delayed a couple of days I think because of the weather
at Filton.
Caterers had been contracted to provide a magnificent spread for the
assembled press corps who rapidly departed Fairford once it was announced
the flight was not about to take place, leaving the two Intertel trucks and
GPO links vehicle behind. Of course we were invited to partake of the fine
dining left behind which we thoroughly enjoyed on both days before retiring
to our local hotel which if memory serves me right was a local pub.
Oh the trials and tribulations of OB's in the '60s

Dave D

-----Original Message-----
From: Tech1 <tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk> On Behalf Of Alan Taylor via
Tech1
Sent: 11 October 2019 11:18
To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Concorde

When Concorde was being developed, there was a study to assess what sort of
effect sonic booms might have on buildings.  They built a sonic boom
simulator in Farnborough and we did a Tomorrow's World story from there.

The sonic boom simulator was like a giant megaphone, tens of feet long,
designed so that materials to be tested could be mounted at the open end.
The pointed end had a plastic membrane a few inches from the end and there
was a thin wire bonded around the edge the membrane which would instantly
get hot when current was applied and cause the membrane to rupture.
Compressed air was injected into the pointed end and the pressure built up
behind the membrane.  At the designated pressure, current was applied, the
membrane disintegrated and the rapidly expanding air rushed along the
megaphone creating a sonic boom as it went.

We weren't given an opportunity to rehearse it and certainly weren't allowed
"one for level", but I was warned that it wouldn't be as loud as one might
imagine.  When we televised it, we watched the pressure gauge rise towards
the mark, and there was a very dramatic countdown followed by the sound of
.... well, not much really.  It made a very unimpressive whooshing popping
sound.  The instrumentation showed that a shock wave well in excess of Mach
1 had happened, but it was very localised and was certainly nothing like
what any of us had imagined.

I did experience many sonic booms when I was a kid because we used to go to
air displays at Marham.  It was standard practice to experience a sonic boom
or two as jet fighters of the day whizzed past at top speed.  The other
unforgettable noise was when a Vulcan bomber used to do it's party trick of
flying towards the spectator area and then climbing vertically above us.
Health and safety people might have something to say about such things these
days, but if they said such things in those days, nobody heard them,
presumably because of all the sonic booms and Vulcans climbing vertically at
full throttle.

Alan Taylor



On 11 Oct 2019, at 11 Oct . 10:22, ian.norman--- via Tech1
<tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

> Dear Dave,
> 
> I live in the middle of Exmoor and it was about 21:00 when Concorde's
sonic bang could be heard here!
> 
> I was often outside at the time and you could almost set your watch by it.
> 
> 
> Best regards
> 
> Ian Norman
> 
> Email: mailto:ian.norman at armoor.co.uk
> Telephone: 01643 888181
> 
> On 11/10/2019 07:44, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote:
>> -----Original Message----- From: David Newbitt
>> Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2019 5:07 PM
>> To: dave.mdv
>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Concorde
>> In the Concorde years we were in West Somerset, close enough to the 
>> West coast that we could hear the bang as the aircraft went 
>> supersonic over the sea. I don't remember the exact timings or times 
>> of year but one flight time coincided with the peace and quiet after 
>> birdlife had gone to roost for the night. In our valley the birdlife 
>> included scores of pheasants who invariably reacted to the bang with 
>> an orchestrated cacophony, no doubt in protest. Pheasants have very 
>> small heads and even smaller brains. They learn nothing so they never
learned to accommodate the disturbance.
>> A rural 'take' on high tech!
>> Dave Newbitt.
>> -----Original Message----- From: dave.mdv via Tech1
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 8, 2019 10:13 AM
>> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Concorde
>> At 10:47:53 on 20/10/2003 I took this photo of Concorde's last 
>> departure to the US. This was a regular sight from my front garden as 
>> Concorde flew over KT10. Cheers, Dave.
> 
> --
> Tech1 mailing list
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From jpn at imixmics.co.uk  Fri Oct 11 09:08:51 2019
From: jpn at imixmics.co.uk (John Nottage)
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2019 15:08:51 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Concorde
Message-ID: <6173d745-f3d1-3240-4adb-00ce342f73d4@imixmics.co.uk>

Just found some more Concorde pics - I think from a trip that only got 
as far as the taxiway. It was supposed to be a shoot with Concorde, The 
Red Arrows & the QE2 over the Solent. As we moved out towards the 
runway, the cloud came down & the trip was cancelled!

John
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From tony.briselden at gmail.com  Fri Oct 11 10:53:18 2019
From: tony.briselden at gmail.com (Tony Briselden)
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2019 16:53:18 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] BBC archive - On this day...
In-Reply-To: <240b4b6d-6814-0f73-32ad-f82f1eadbc04@gmail.com>
References: <240b4b6d-6814-0f73-32ad-f82f1eadbc04@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <86956AA1-4BE9-49EA-BA33-1FB8EFCA4D50@gmail.com>

Think it may be Crew 7 with Bob Baxter on the left and Paul Kay on the right. 

Tony B

> On 11 Oct 2019, at 12:52, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ...they broadcast the first Grandstand in 1958
> 
> Anyone recognise the crew?
> 
> <maadgnebhmdnibba.png>
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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Fri Oct 11 11:43:31 2019
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2019 17:43:31 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] New material
Message-ID: <98598c32-78f5-3b22-ebd7-be7e1e8a72df@gmail.com>

Some new stuff on the website.? Much thanks to Alec Bray for collating 
the history that you lot spout from time to time.? What we need is 
someone to publish it all on paper, because anything on the web just 
disappears as soon as people stop paying for it to be there.

http://tech-ops.co.uk/next/2019/09/topics-issue-1/
http://tech-ops.co.uk/next/2019/10/charlie-ringlands-photographs/
http://tech-ops.co.uk/next/2019/10/lunch-1st-october-2019/

...and a small addendum to my hole-in-the bucket story.? I sold my old 
Behringer mixer on eBay. I had bought it in 2005 for ?65. It sold a 
couple of days ago for ?57. Rather pleasing. The new one, ?90, plugs 
straight into the computer USB and connects to Audacity without any 
problem. Just what I needed.

B
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From hughsheppard at btinternet.com  Fri Oct 11 12:48:50 2019
From: hughsheppard at btinternet.com (Hugh Sheppard)
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2019 18:48:50 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] BBC archive - On this day...
In-Reply-To: <86956AA1-4BE9-49EA-BA33-1FB8EFCA4D50@gmail.com>
References: <240b4b6d-6814-0f73-32ad-f82f1eadbc04@gmail.com>
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Possibly Bob Baxter; I recall him as slimmer, but how about John Farr on 
the right?

Hugh

On 11-Oct-19 4:53 PM, Tony Briselden via Tech1 wrote:
> Think it may be Crew 7 with Bob Baxter on the left and Paul Kay on the right.
>
> Tony B
>
>> On 11 Oct 2019, at 12:52, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> ...they broadcast the first Grandstand in 1958
>>
>> Anyone recognise the crew?
>>
>> <maadgnebhmdnibba.png>
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From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net  Fri Oct 11 13:10:36 2019
From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt)
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2019 19:10:36 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] BBC archive - On this day...
In-Reply-To: <5cf1eb25-f54b-fc44-9189-b0f670f9cacd@btinternet.com>
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Think Hugh may be right re John Farr ? very characteristic of the way he stood behind a ped.

Dave Newbitt.

From: Hugh Sheppard via Tech1 
Sent: Friday, October 11, 2019 6:48 PM
To: Bernard Newnham ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk 
Subject: Re: [Tech1] BBC archive - On this day...

Possibly Bob Baxter; I recall him as slimmer, but how about John Farr on the right?

Hugh


On 11-Oct-19 4:53 PM, Tony Briselden via Tech1 wrote:

Think it may be Crew 7 with Bob Baxter on the left and Paul Kay on the right. 

Tony B

On 11 Oct 2019, at 12:52, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk wrote:

...they broadcast the first Grandstand in 1958

Anyone recognise the crew?

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From timhealy935 at btinternet.com  Sat Oct 12 03:37:01 2019
From: timhealy935 at btinternet.com (Michael Healy)
Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2019 09:37:01 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] On screen japes and wheezes
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And I still remember it!  Being clobbered by a 4033 is not to be recommended.  Had a haircut soon after and the barber asked why i had STC imprinted on the top of my head.   Boom op was Dave Jorgensen.

> On 11 Oct 2019, at 08:57, Geoff Fletcher via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> On a Panorama? once I witnessed Tim Healey getting clobbered by a boom mic. We were doing cameras on opposite sides of the studio at Lime Grove. There was a set up at each end with a boom in the middle which covered both. We finished at one end and repositioned to the other during some TK. Tim and I pushed our peds down the studio, the boom op elevated the mic end and swung the arm while his tracker began to push the boom along. Said op checked the back of the arm and lifted it up to avoid bashing a scene hand. The mic at the other end came down neatly onto Tim?s head,  just avoiding his viewfinder hood. Poor old Tim didn?t know what hit him, but no lasting harm was done, and it was a very funny incident to those watching. I just happened to look in his direction as I was doing my own repos.
> Geoff F
> 
> On Fri, 11 Oct 2019 at 07:44, David Newbitt via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:
>  
>  
> From: David Newbitt <>
> Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2019 4:53 PM
> To: patheigham <>
> Subject: Re: [Tech1] On screen japes and wheezes
>  
> Speaking of leaning on the boom platform, boom trackers (understandably) at times had one hand or the other on the platform. I recall one SA1 who would take every opportunity to discourage the practice by standing on the offending fingers!
>  
> Dave Newbitt.
>  
> From: patheigham via Tech1 <>
> Sent: Monday, October 7, 2019 2:37 PM
> To: Nick Ware <> ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <>
> Subject: Re: [Tech1] On screen japes and wheezes
>  
> Lovely story!
> 
>  
> 
> People leaning on the boom platform had no idea that there was enough give in the tyres to drop the mike into shot, as the arm whipped (particularly on an audience sit-com as one was working millimetres above the top of frame). I believe that it was permitted to kick their heads!
> 
> A story, (OK this might have been published before...)
> 
> On one play, luckily on rehearsal - remember that the Mole booms had a support wire cable that ran over the top of the pivot to either end of the fixed tube. I had to do a fast swing between sets, and the sparks had left a safety cable hanging from one of the lighting barrels. What were the chances of the boom wire catching and latching the snap carabiner on the end? It did! & the momentum of the arm caused the whole barrel to lurch sideways. Too far to lean forward and detach the snap hook so everything came to a grinding halt while a stepladder was found to climb up and release.
> 
> That would have been fun if on a live transmission!
> 
> Pat
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10
> 
>  
> 
> From: Nick Ware via Tech1 <>
> Sent: 07 October 2019 14:14
> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <>
> Subject: Re: [Tech1] On screen japes and wheezes
> 
>  
> 
> Poor old George Dixon! There?s also the one about another encounter he had with a Mole boom, as told to me by Alan Thorpe, so let?s assume it was him. Director calls ?lift the boom and cut to the wide?. Not knowing that Jack was leaning on the boom platform waiting for his next cue, up goes the boom, down goes the counter balance weight, ramming Jack?s helmet firmly down over his ears. Live TX of course, and much dialogue improvisation and stifled giggles while someone struggled to get his helmet off.
> 
>  
> 
>  
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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Sat Oct 12 07:47:12 2019
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2019 13:47:12 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Booms
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The most dangerous object on a boom platform, by far, weren't elbows? but makeup trays, one of which was booted off and caused a 'diplomatic incident'! Cheers, Dave
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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Sat Oct 12 08:59:02 2019
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2019 14:59:02 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Noise
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How do people in the country put up with the noise? Where I am staying for a couple of weeks the silence was shattered by a horse walking past the kitchen window and I have just been out in the garden and was deafened by a b...y bee! Honestly, give me the Kingston by-pass everytime. Cheers, Dave

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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Sat Oct 12 09:08:36 2019
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2019 15:08:36 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Booms
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I suppose the correct procedure would have been to politely ask the make-up girl to remove her kit, then ask her out to dinner?

An earlier posting mentioned ?not pushing? with a hand on the platform. Virtually very difficult to accurately position the boom with just the
rear wheel steering/pushing. I never trod on someone?s hand over a Mole boom lip if they were sound crew, but for anyone else......
The Fisher?s having a large wheel to steer and push with was altogether a better design, plus the fact that they could crab ? like a Heron.
Another ?disaster? story ? Blue Peter had a bird of prey item ? handler with eagle! Me on boom, and I could see the bird viewing the mic with increasing suspicion. It suddenly launched from the handler?s arm and attacked the mic! Great flappings and panic!

And about animals ? I once said to a colleague that before I pass on, I would like to stroke a tiger! His succinct reply was that it would probably be the last thing I did!
Things placed where they should not.
A very fierce Script Supervisor (Continuity girl) was renowned for sweeping off any cup of tea/coffee that was put on her table ? straight to the floor.
She was actually a very nice lady with whom I am still in contact, having worked with her on a number of films. But in those days all the continuity sheets were hand typed, and she wasn?t about to re-do everything if a spill occurred. 

Best
Pat

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The most dangerous object on a boom platform, by far, weren't elbows? but makeup trays, one of which was booted off and caused a 'diplomatic incident'! Cheers, Dave
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From dave at davesound.co.uk  Sat Oct 12 09:03:06 2019
From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman)
Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2019 15:03:06 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Booms
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In article <3f42ba5e-0cce-432b-9b2d-66aa9a3705b1 at btinternet.com>,
   dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> The most dangerous object on a boom platform, by far, weren't elbows 
> but makeup trays, one of which was booted off and caused a 'diplomatic
> incident'! Cheers, Dave #Get BlueMail for Android #

Especially when placed on a Fisher chassis just were you step down.

Doubt many would use a camera to place such things on. ;-)

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From peter.neill at icloud.com  Sat Oct 12 09:17:37 2019
From: peter.neill at icloud.com (Peter Neill)
Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2019 15:17:37 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Booms
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And, of course, scripts.

I remember Julian Tolkien kicking a floor manager?s script firmly into the set. But not before he?d opened the spine with his foot thus ensuring that pages went flying everywhere. It took a somewhat sheepish Frank Pendlebury some time to reassemble it.

Peter





> On 12 Oct 2019, at 13:47, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> The most dangerous object on a boom platform, by far, weren't elbows  but makeup trays, one of which was booted off and caused a 'diplomatic incident'! Cheers, Dave
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From graeme.wall at icloud.com  Sat Oct 12 09:39:55 2019
From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall)
Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2019 15:39:55 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Booms
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> On 12 Oct 2019, at 15:08, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> I suppose the correct procedure would have been to politely ask the make-up girl to remove her kit, then ask her out to dinner?
>  

Surely the correct procedure is to ask her to remove her kit afer you?ve taken her out to dinner.

? 
Graeme Wall


From pat.heigham at amps.net  Sat Oct 12 09:42:36 2019
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2019 15:42:36 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Booms
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I wondered who would pick up on that deliberate phrasing!
Pat

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Sent: 12 October 2019 15:39
To: patheigham
Cc: dave.mdv; Tech ops
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Booms



> On 12 Oct 2019, at 15:08, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> I suppose the correct procedure would have been to politely ask the make-up girl to remove her kit, then ask her out to dinner?
>  

Surely the correct procedure is to ask her to remove her kit afer you?ve taken her out to dinner.

? 
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From waresound at msn.com  Sat Oct 12 11:40:27 2019
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2019 16:40:27 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Noise
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We moved from an ever-increasingly noisy traffic-blighted location to a house where we can hear nothing (*) most of the time, and dead silence at night. No traffic noise whatsoever. With noise, comes air pollution, and the absence of that has resulted in a marked improvement in our general health.
Go to: bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-42566393 to check air pollution at your postcode.
Ours was 5 and is now 1, what?s yours?
(*) apart from the soothing sounds of nature, and I have to admit, lawnmowers, leaf blowers (whatever happened to good old fashioned rakes?), strimmers and chain saws, etc. But I can forgive that because I have all of those myself!
And as a side benefit of a quiet environment: I can hear the tinnitus better now!
Cheers all,
Nick.

Sent from my iPad mini 5

On 12 Oct 2019, at 14:59, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

?
How do people in the country put up with the noise? Where I am staying for a couple of weeks the silence was shattered by a horse walking past the kitchen window and I have just been out in the garden and was deafened by a b...y bee! Honestly, give me the Kingston by-pass everytime. Cheers, Dave

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From waresound at msn.com  Sat Oct 12 11:45:28 2019
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2019 16:45:28 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Booms
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The things you could do when you were staff, and had to learn not to do when you went freelance!
Nick.
Sent from my iPad mini 5

On 12 Oct 2019, at 15:18, Peter Neill via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

? And, of course, scripts.

I remember Julian Tolkien kicking a floor manager?s script firmly into the set. But not before he?d opened the spine with his foot thus ensuring that pages went flying everywhere. It took a somewhat sheepish Frank Pendlebury some time to reassemble it.

Peter





On 12 Oct 2019, at 13:47, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk<mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:

The most dangerous object on a boom platform, by far, weren't elbows  but makeup trays, one of which was booted off and caused a 'diplomatic incident'! Cheers, Dave
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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Sat Oct 12 11:51:29 2019
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2019 17:51:29 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Noise
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Ours is 2, on this main road at KT15 3QL.

B



On 12/10/2019 17:40, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote:
> We moved from an ever-increasingly noisy traffic-blighted location to 
> a house where we can hear nothing (*) most of the time, and dead 
> silence at night. No traffic noise whatsoever. With noise, comes air 
> pollution, and the absence of that has resulted in a marked 
> improvement in our general health.
> Go to: bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-42566393 to check air 
> pollution at your postcode.
> Ours was 5 and is now 1, what?s yours?
> (*) apart from the soothing sounds of nature, and I have to admit, 
> lawnmowers, leaf blowers (whatever happened to good old fashioned 
> rakes?), strimmers and chain saws, etc. But I can forgive that because 
> I have all of those myself!
> And as a side benefit of a quiet environment: I can hear the tinnitus 
> better now!
> Cheers all,
> Nick.
>
> Sent from my iPad mini 5
>
>> On 12 Oct 2019, at 14:59, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> 
>> wrote:
>>
>> ?
>> How do people in the country put up with the noise? Where I am 
>> staying for a couple of weeks the silence was shattered by a horse 
>> walking past the kitchen window and I have just been out in the 
>> garden and was deafened by a b...y bee! Honestly, give me the 
>> Kingston by-pass everytime. Cheers, Dave
>>
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From waresound at msn.com  Sat Oct 12 12:06:43 2019
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2019 17:06:43 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Booms
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Did you ever try asking make-up girls to remove their kit and go out to dinner with you, Pat?
;-)
Nick.
Sent from my iPad mini 5

On 12 Oct 2019, at 15:09, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

I suppose the correct procedure would have been to politely ask the make-up girl to remove her kit, then ask her out to dinner?


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From waresound at msn.com  Sat Oct 12 12:33:58 2019
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2019 17:33:58 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Noise
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That?s surprising, Bernie, but then, you are surrounded by lots of trees and golf courses! We were at GU23 7DB which was a commuter rat-run through Ripley. And even when that wasn?t happening, we could smell the A3. And our nearest neighbour fronting onto Portsmouth Road was Renaissance Motors, which didn?t help. (Oops, friends of yours, I think!)
Open invitation to pop down to see us in Cranleigh anytime, BTW.
Have you ever had an opportunity to look around the McLaren Centre, a stone?s throw away from you? Pretty impressive!
Cheers,
Nick.
Sent from my iPad mini 5

On 12 Oct 2019, at 17:51, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

? Ours is 2, on this main road at KT15 3QL.

B



On 12/10/2019 17:40, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote:
We moved from an ever-increasingly noisy traffic-blighted location to a house where we can hear nothing (*) most of the time, and dead silence at night. No traffic noise whatsoever. With noise, comes air pollution, and the absence of that has resulted in a marked improvement in our general health.
Go to: bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-42566393 to check air pollution at your postcode.
Ours was 5 and is now 1, what?s yours?
(*) apart from the soothing sounds of nature, and I have to admit, lawnmowers, leaf blowers (whatever happened to good old fashioned rakes?), strimmers and chain saws, etc. But I can forgive that because I have all of those myself!
And as a side benefit of a quiet environment: I can hear the tinnitus better now!
Cheers all,
Nick.

Sent from my iPad mini 5

On 12 Oct 2019, at 14:59, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk><mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

?
How do people in the country put up with the noise? Where I am staying for a couple of weeks the silence was shattered by a horse walking past the kitchen window and I have just been out in the garden and was deafened by a b...y bee! Honestly, give me the Kingston by-pass everytime. Cheers, Dave

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From mibridge at mac.com  Sat Oct 12 17:35:30 2019
From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles)
Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2019 23:35:30 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Noise
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Snap!

Mike G


> On 12 Oct 2019, at 17:40, Nick Ware via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> We moved from an ever-increasingly noisy traffic-blighted location to a house where we can hear nothing (*) most of the time, and dead silence at night. No traffic noise whatsoever. With noise, comes air pollution, and the absence of that has resulted in a marked improvement in our general health.
> Go to: bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-42566393 to check air pollution at your postcode.
> Ours was 5 and is now 1, what?s yours?
> (*) apart from the soothing sounds of nature, and I have to admit, lawnmowers, leaf blowers (whatever happened to good old fashioned rakes?), strimmers and chain saws, etc. But I can forgive that because I have all of those myself!
> And as a side benefit of a quiet environment: I can hear the tinnitus better now!
> Cheers all,
> Nick.
> 
> Sent from my iPad mini 5
> 
>> On 12 Oct 2019, at 14:59, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> ?
>> How do people in the country put up with the noise? Where I am staying for a couple of weeks the silence was shattered by a horse walking past the kitchen window and I have just been out in the garden and was deafened by a b...y bee! Honestly, give me the Kingston by-pass everytime. Cheers, Dave
>> 
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From jpn at imixmics.co.uk  Sun Oct 13 02:28:05 2019
From: jpn at imixmics.co.uk (John Nottage)
Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2019 08:28:05 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Noise
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20 years ago we moved from London suburbia to the Suffolk coast. I've 
just looked up our rating now - it's 1. Then I looked up my old suburban 
postcode - surprise,surprise, it's 1 as well! There is a comment 
attached: "This is lower than the average for Epsom and Ewell, which is 
2 out of 6 (moderate)." Still a pretty clean air area though.

John

On 12/10/2019 17:40, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote:
> We moved from an ever-increasingly noisy traffic-blighted location to a 
> house where we can hear nothing (*) most of the time, and dead silence 
> at night. No traffic noise whatsoever. With noise, comes air pollution, 
> and the absence of that has resulted in a marked improvement in our 
> general health.
> Go to: bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-42566393 to check air 
> pollution at your postcode.
> Ours was 5 and is now 1, what?s yours?
> (*) apart from the soothing sounds of nature, and I have to admit, 
> lawnmowers, leaf blowers (whatever happened to good old fashioned 
> rakes?), strimmers and chain saws, etc. But I can forgive that because I 
> have all of those myself!
> And as a side benefit of a quiet environment: I can hear the tinnitus 
> better now!
> Cheers all,
> Nick.
> 
> Sent from my iPad mini 5
> 
>> On 12 Oct 2019, at 14:59, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> ?
>> How do people in the country put up with the noise? Where I am staying 
>> for a couple of weeks the silence was shattered by a horse walking 
>> past the kitchen window and I have just been out in the garden and was 
>> deafened by a b...y bee! Honestly, give me the Kingston by-pass 
>> everytime. Cheers, Dave
>>
>> Get BlueMail for Android <http://www.bluemail.me/r?b=15704>
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From waresound at msn.com  Sun Oct 13 04:52:44 2019
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2019 09:52:44 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Noise
In-Reply-To: <2c3a741b-69d8-2f4b-1dbd-919b057bb77d@imixmics.co.uk>
References: <2c3a741b-69d8-2f4b-1dbd-919b057bb77d@imixmics.co.uk>
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What we don?t know is how reliable those figures are - whether instantaneous readings, or averaged over a period of time, or whether calm or windy at the time. They do seem to be a useful guide though, and in my case were definitely pretty reliable. I?ve seen in the news that there is a move afoot to compel estate agents to quote those figures in all property details.
Suffolk coast - I?m envious.
Cheers,
Nick.

Sent from my iPad mini 5

> On 13 Oct 2019, at 08:28, John Nottage via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?20 years ago we moved from London suburbia to the Suffolk coast. I've just looked up our rating now - it's 1. Then I looked up my old suburban postcode - surprise,surprise, it's 1 as well! There is a comment attached: "This is lower than the average for Epsom and Ewell, which is 2 out of 6 (moderate)." Still a pretty clean air area though.
> 
> John
> 
>> On 12/10/2019 17:40, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote:
>> We moved from an ever-increasingly noisy traffic-blighted location to a house where we can hear nothing (*) most of the time, and dead silence at night. No traffic noise whatsoever. With noise, comes air pollution, and the absence of that has resulted in a marked improvement in our general health.
>> Go to: bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-42566393 to check air pollution at your postcode.
>> Ours was 5 and is now 1, what?s yours?
>> (*) apart from the soothing sounds of nature, and I have to admit, lawnmowers, leaf blowers (whatever happened to good old fashioned rakes?), strimmers and chain saws, etc. But I can forgive that because I have all of those myself!
>> And as a side benefit of a quiet environment: I can hear the tinnitus better now!
>> Cheers all,
>> Nick.
>> Sent from my iPad mini 5
>>>> On 12 Oct 2019, at 14:59, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?
>>> How do people in the country put up with the noise? Where I am staying for a couple of weeks the silence was shattered by a horse walking past the kitchen window and I have just been out in the garden and was deafened by a b...y bee! Honestly, give me the Kingston by-pass everytime. Cheers, Dave
>>> 
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From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com  Sun Oct 13 05:21:01 2019
From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray)
Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2019 11:21:01 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Vinten Mk III head animation for criticism
Message-ID: <dc377494-bc60-18f2-553f-6da132f03586@gmail.com>

Hi all,

It is more than fifty years since I used a Vinten Mk III head - or seen 
one in its natural environment - and when I used it, all those years 
ago, I did not take much notice of how it worked:? it simply worked 
beautifully!

Now, I am going to try to explain it to some engineers, and I was trying 
to figure out how it worked.? I tried it with bits of paper, 
unsuccessfully, so I then tried using a technical drawing program,? 
feeding the graphics into a slideshow presentation program, then 
converted that output to low resolution MP4.

Attached is a crude animation of what I think happened (sorry, it is not 
a patch on Roger's animations) and please tell me what is wrong with it!

(apologies to all the sound people.)

-- 

Best Regards

Alec

Alec Bray

alec.bray.2 at gmail.com
mob:    07789 561 346
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From graeme.wall at icloud.com  Sun Oct 13 07:36:25 2019
From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall)
Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2019 13:36:25 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Vinten Mk III head animation for criticism
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Looks good to me, that?s how I understand it works
? 
Graeme Wall


> On 13 Oct 2019, at 11:21, Alec Bray via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> It is more than fifty years since I used a Vinten Mk III head - or seen one in its natural environment - and when I used it, all those years ago, I did not take much notice of how it worked:  it simply worked beautifully!
> 
> Now, I am going to try to explain it to some engineers, and I was trying to figure out how it worked.  I tried it with bits of paper, unsuccessfully, so I then tried using a technical drawing program,  feeding the graphics into a slideshow presentation program, then converted that output to low resolution MP4.
> 
> Attached is a crude animation of what I think happened (sorry, it is not a patch on Roger's animations) and please tell me what is wrong with it!
> 
> (apologies to all the sound people.)
> 
> -- 
> 
> Best Regards
> 
> Alec
> 
> Alec Bray
> 
> alec.bray.2 at gmail.com
> mob:    07789 561 346
> home:   0118 981 7502
> 
> <Low_Vinten Mk 3 animation.mp4>-- 
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From relong at btinternet.com  Sun Oct 13 12:11:55 2019
From: relong at btinternet.com (Roger E Long)
Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2019 18:11:55 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Pollution
In-Reply-To: <VI1P192MB027109D780CF4C3DBD2D3303A7910@VI1P192MB0271.EURP192.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
References: <2c3a741b-69d8-2f4b-1dbd-919b057bb77d@imixmics.co.uk>
	<VI1P192MB027109D780CF4C3DBD2D3303A7910@VI1P192MB0271.EURP192.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
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I live 800? up in the Cotswold
The guide says Good. Rated 1
I live in remote a hamlet of 22 houses, yet Stroud an industrialised and road clogged Town gets the same rating!
Surely some mistake.

> On 13 Oct 2019, at 10:52, Nick Ware via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> What we don?t know is how reliable those figures are - whether instantaneous readings, or averaged over a period of time, or whether calm or windy at the time. They do seem to be a useful guide though, and in my case were definitely pretty reliable. I?ve seen in the news that there is a move afoot to compel estate agents to quote those figures in all property details.
> Suffolk coast - I?m envious.
> Cheers,
> Nick.
> 
> Sent from my iPad mini 5
> 
>> On 13 Oct 2019, at 08:28, John Nottage via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> ?20 years ago we moved from London suburbia to the Suffolk coast. I've just looked up our rating now - it's 1. Then I looked up my old suburban postcode - surprise,surprise, it's 1 as well! There is a comment attached: "This is lower than the average for Epsom and Ewell, which is 2 out of 6 (moderate)." Still a pretty clean air area though.
>> 
>> John
>> 
>>> On 12/10/2019 17:40, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote:
>>> We moved from an ever-increasingly noisy traffic-blighted location to a house where we can hear nothing (*) most of the time, and dead silence at night. No traffic noise whatsoever. With noise, comes air pollution, and the absence of that has resulted in a marked improvement in our general health.
>>> Go to: bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-42566393 to check air pollution at your postcode.
>>> Ours was 5 and is now 1, what?s yours?
>>> (*) apart from the soothing sounds of nature, and I have to admit, lawnmowers, leaf blowers (whatever happened to good old fashioned rakes?), strimmers and chain saws, etc. But I can forgive that because I have all of those myself!
>>> And as a side benefit of a quiet environment: I can hear the tinnitus better now!
>>> Cheers all,
>>> Nick.
>>> Sent from my iPad mini 5
>>>>> On 12 Oct 2019, at 14:59, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> ?
>>>> How do people in the country put up with the noise? Where I am staying for a couple of weeks the silence was shattered by a horse walking past the kitchen window and I have just been out in the garden and was deafened by a b...y bee! Honestly, give me the Kingston by-pass everytime. Cheers, Dave
>>>> 
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From mikej at bmanor.co.uk  Sun Oct 13 15:25:43 2019
From: mikej at bmanor.co.uk (Mike Jordan)
Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2019 21:25:43 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Good old STC headsets
Message-ID: <059CA361FF8B4D408677EFF2BBBF8280@Gigabyte>

Long interview with John Humphries in The Observer now he has left BBC.

I particularly like this reply to a question from Simon Mayo about why he still wears STC headset on air.

Mike (with a couple of pairs in the garage)



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From waresound at msn.com  Sun Oct 13 16:13:45 2019
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2019 21:13:45 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Good old STC headsets
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References: <059CA361FF8B4D408677EFF2BBBF8280@Gigabyte>
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I hope he handed them in when he left. At my leaving interview (1980) I was told I should hand in my STC cans, leather Gram-op?s BBC embossed briefcase and clockwork stopwatch, or they would be stopped from my final salary payment. The person telling me that overlooked my cherished BBC issued AKG K50?s though, and I still have them.

I remember how, if you lost your STC cans, you just nicked someone else?s, which meant there was always someone without a pair, but never the same person for long, and that I thought neatly illustrated the theory of ?holes? in semiconductors.
Cheers,
Nick.
Sent from my iPad mini 5

On 13 Oct 2019, at 21:26, Mike Jordan via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

?
Long interview with John Humphries in The Observer now he has left BBC.

I particularly like this reply to a question from Simon Mayo about why he still wears STC headset on air.

Mike (with a couple of pairs in the garage)

<John%20Humphries%20wearing%20STC%20headset[2].jpg>

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From mibridge at mac.com  Sun Oct 13 16:24:12 2019
From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles)
Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2019 22:24:12 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Vinten Mk III head animation for criticism
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As a sound person I?m hooked ~ I could watch it for hours (well, at least for a few seconds!) But it certainly convinces me.

Mike G

> On 13 Oct 2019, at 11:21, Alec Bray via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> It is more than fifty years since I used a Vinten Mk III head - or seen one in its natural environment - and when I used it, all those years ago, I did not take much notice of how it worked:  it simply worked beautifully!
> 
> Now, I am going to try to explain it to some engineers, and I was trying to figure out how it worked.  I tried it with bits of paper, unsuccessfully, so I then tried using a technical drawing program,  feeding the graphics into a slideshow presentation program, then converted that output to low resolution MP4.
> 
> Attached is a crude animation of what I think happened (sorry, it is not a patch on Roger's animations) and please tell me what is wrong with it!
> 
> (apologies to all the sound people.)
> 
> -- 
> 
> Best Regards
> 
> Alec
> 
> Alec Bray
> 
> alec.bray.2 at gmail.com
> mob:    07789 561 346
> home:   0118 981 7502
> 
> <Low_Vinten Mk 3 animation.mp4>-- 
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From mibridge at mac.com  Sun Oct 13 16:58:55 2019
From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles)
Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2019 22:58:55 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Good old STC headsets
In-Reply-To: <VI1P192MB0271270821C5A58B28C8CC15A7910@VI1P192MB0271.EURP192.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
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In the regions, well Bristol at least, we weren?t trusted with our own issue headphones, but the only time I remember being without a set was when two extra commentators turned up at a cricket match in Swansea, so I had no choice but to give them the one spare set in the commentary box and my own. Not being on talkback was like being a man with no hands ~ no such luxury then as radio talkback or Stornos for sound assistants, I had to rely on the SM passing messages, which he usually got wrong!  Amazing how these odd incidents stick in the memory.

Mike G


> On 13 Oct 2019, at 22:13, Nick Ware via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> I hope he handed them in when he left. At my leaving interview (1980) I was told I should hand in my STC cans, leather Gram-op?s BBC embossed briefcase and clockwork stopwatch, or they would be stopped from my final salary payment. The person telling me that overlooked my cherished BBC issued AKG K50?s though, and I still have them.
> 
> I remember how, if you lost your STC cans, you just nicked someone else?s, which meant there was always someone without a pair, but never the same person for long, and that I thought neatly illustrated the theory of ?holes? in semiconductors.
> Cheers,
> Nick.
> Sent from my iPad mini 5
> 
>> On 13 Oct 2019, at 21:26, Mike Jordan via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> ?
>> Long interview with John Humphries in The Observer now he has left BBC.
>>  
>> I particularly like this reply to a question from Simon Mayo about why he still wears STC headset on air.
>>  
>> Mike (with a couple of pairs in the garage)
>>  
>> <John%20Humphries%20wearing%20STC%20headset[2].jpg>
>>  
>> <John%20Humphries%20and%20STC%20headset[1].jpg>
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From peter.fox at zero51.force9.co.uk  Mon Oct 14 02:54:30 2019
From: peter.fox at zero51.force9.co.uk (Peter Fox)
Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2019 08:54:30 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Vinten Mk III head animation for criticism
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It looks good to me. The cams, two
per head could be changed for different broad camera types ie Emi Vidicon, Image Orthicon era monochrome cameras, EMI 2001, big Marconi colour camera. (forgotten the number, VII ? ) so didn?t need changing often! Years!  Fitting a zoom lens on an EMI 201 on a daily basis didn?t justify a change for example but Outside Broadcasts may well have used a higher number? They have cast-in raised numbers like 5, 7, 8 or 9 visible at the front. Higher number = heavier longer camera. There is a vertical plate on one side with a slot in it, following the cam profile with adjustable leather friction pads for tilt. The leather needed a refreshing dose of dubbin every few weeks/months to stop it grabbing and thus giving a sudden jerky start to a camera move and yet providing enough stiction to hold the camera tilt angle steady without necessarily using the tilt and pan locks. Some cameramen removed all friction and some set it so it was relatively hard to move. Either way, or the middle ground, it was a good plan to balance the friction settings to give a smooth diagonal pan/tilt move.  This ?Alter to your taste? friction adjustment was one of its delightful features. Horizontal pan friction was also adjustable of course but one never actually saw it?s workings unless you were a mechanic doing a routine overhaul and I think it was an adjustable metal band on a circular leather drum inside the base adjacent to the massive ball race,  But don?t quote me on that. It was less critical in setting, perhaps because it was less exposed and didn?t dry out.

Peter Fox

> On 13 Oct 2019, at 22:24, Mike Giles via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?As a sound person I?m hooked ~ I could watch it for hours (well, at least for a few seconds!) But it certainly convinces me.
> 
> Mike G
> 
>> On 13 Oct 2019, at 11:21, Alec Bray via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> It is more than fifty years since I used a Vinten Mk III head - or seen one in its natural environment - and when I used it, all those years ago, I did not take much notice of how it worked:  it simply worked beautifully!
>> 
>> Now, I am going to try to explain it to some engineers, and I was trying to figure out how it worked.  I tried it with bits of paper, unsuccessfully, so I then tried using a technical drawing program,  feeding the graphics into a slideshow presentation program, then converted that output to low resolution MP4.
>> 
>> Attached is a crude animation of what I think happened (sorry, it is not a patch on Roger's animations) and please tell me what is wrong with it!
>> 
>> (apologies to all the sound people.)
>> 
>> -- 
>> 
>> Best Regards
>> 
>> Alec
>> 
>> Alec Bray
>> 
>> alec.bray.2 at gmail.com
>> mob:    07789 561 346
>> home:   0118 981 7502
>> 
>> <Low_Vinten Mk 3 animation.mp4>-- 
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From geoffletch at gmail.com  Mon Oct 14 05:43:40 2019
From: geoffletch at gmail.com (Geoff Fletcher)
Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2019 11:43:40 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Booms
In-Reply-To: <VI1P192MB02711628C923BEF1F84AD8EDA7960@VI1P192MB0271.EURP192.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
References: <5da1de62.1c69fb81.31478.5486@mx.google.com>
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I always wanted to be a cameraman but did my 6 weeks stints on sound until
I went to Evesham for my TO course after  six months in.  We were lucky on
Crew 4 in that we all
 Got on very well and helped each other out vis a vis Sound and cameras. I
enjoyed boom tracking on dramas - never let your boom op run out of rack-
and gram opting but hated working thecarm as I was useless at it.  I was of
course taught not to put things on the platform or touch it once the boom
was in position, but it was OK with Mole booms to use a hand to get the
ring moving when tracking it. One day I was lent out to another crew at the
theatre and tasked with looking after a Mole boom with a somewhat heavy guy
aboard. Off shot, I couldn?t get it moving with the handle so I put my hand
on the platform . He stood on it and the edge lip hurt like hell. I
protested, He said he would do the same only harder if I did it again. At
the next move I had to push on the platform once more and he actually
stamped on my hand. We had words, as  I wasn?t having that. I explained the
weight inertia problem - he was unconcerned. He tried to do it one more
time on the next move but missed as I saw it coming and moved my fingers in
time. So I kind of forgot to latch up the steering handle with the
inevitable result when he dismounted. He didn?t do it again and we loathed
each other thereafter.
Geoff F

On Sat, 12 Oct 2019 at 18:07, Nick Ware via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
wrote:

> Did you ever try asking make-up girls to remove their kit and go out to
> dinner with you, Pat?
> ;-)
> Nick.
> Sent from my iPad mini 5
>
> On 12 Oct 2019, at 15:09, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
> I suppose the correct procedure would have been to politely ask the
> make-up girl to remove her kit, then ask her out to dinner?
>
>
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From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk  Mon Oct 14 06:01:11 2019
From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf)
Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2019 12:01:11 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Noise
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The bigger problem is the area the figures cover.

They are done (at least in theory) on 1km squares. Depending upon the? 
sample point(s) that could give some quite anomalous results. For 
instance, there's a point about 5 miles from here that has a very high 
figure for a rural location. What I think is the air quality sensing 
point is at the top of a hill on the main road where heavy lorries have 
to pass, having just struggled up a hill. The pollution is real, but 
doesn't represent the village sitting in the same 1km square, who are 
probably pretty cross about lumped in with it.

Chris Woolf

On 13/10/2019 10:52, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote:
> What we don?t know is how reliable those figures are - whether instantaneous readings, or averaged over a period of time, or whether calm or windy at the time. They do seem to be a useful guide though, and in my case were definitely pretty reliable. I?ve seen in the news that there is a move afoot to compel estate agents to quote those figures in all property details.
> Suffolk coast - I?m envious.
> Cheers,
> Nick.
>
> Sent from my iPad mini 5
>
>> On 13 Oct 2019, at 08:28, John Nottage via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> ?20 years ago we moved from London suburbia to the Suffolk coast. I've just looked up our rating now - it's 1. Then I looked up my old suburban postcode - surprise,surprise, it's 1 as well! There is a comment attached: "This is lower than the average for Epsom and Ewell, which is 2 out of 6 (moderate)." Still a pretty clean air area though.
>>
>> John
>>
>>> On 12/10/2019 17:40, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote:
>>> We moved from an ever-increasingly noisy traffic-blighted location to a house where we can hear nothing (*) most of the time, and dead silence at night. No traffic noise whatsoever. With noise, comes air pollution, and the absence of that has resulted in a marked improvement in our general health.
>>> Go to: bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-42566393 to check air pollution at your postcode.
>>> Ours was 5 and is now 1, what?s yours?
>>> (*) apart from the soothing sounds of nature, and I have to admit, lawnmowers, leaf blowers (whatever happened to good old fashioned rakes?), strimmers and chain saws, etc. But I can forgive that because I have all of those myself!
>>> And as a side benefit of a quiet environment: I can hear the tinnitus better now!
>>> Cheers all,
>>> Nick.
>>> Sent from my iPad mini 5
>>>>> On 12 Oct 2019, at 14:59, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> ?
>>>> How do people in the country put up with the noise? Where I am staying for a couple of weeks the silence was shattered by a horse walking past the kitchen window and I have just been out in the garden and was deafened by a b...y bee! Honestly, give me the Kingston by-pass everytime. Cheers, Dave
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From waresound at msn.com  Mon Oct 14 06:26:18 2019
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2019 11:26:18 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Booms
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Excellent! There?s no need for that sort of behaviour. I?m totally on your side.
Cheers,
Nick.

Sent from my iPad mini 5

> On 14 Oct 2019, at 11:43, Geoff Fletcher <geoffletch at gmail.com> wrote:
> I always wanted to be a cameraman but did my 6 weeks stints on sound until I went to Evesham for my TO course after  six months in.  We were lucky on Crew 4 in that we all
>  Got on very well and helped each other out vis a vis Sound and cameras. I enjoyed boom tracking on dramas - never let your boom op run out of rack- and gram opting but hated working thecarm as I was useless at it.  I was of course taught not to put things on the platform or touch it once the boom was in position, but it was OK with Mole booms to use a hand to get the ring moving when tracking it. One day I was lent out to another crew at the theatre and tasked with looking after a Mole boom with a somewhat heavy guy aboard. Off shot, I couldn?t get it moving with the handle so I put my hand on the platform . He stood on it and the edge lip hurt like hell. I protested, He said he would do the same only harder if I did it again. At the next move I had to push on the platform once more and he actually stamped on my hand. We had words, as  I wasn?t having that. I explained the weight inertia problem - he was unconcerned. He tried to do it one more time on the next move but missed as I saw it coming and moved my fingers in time. So I kind of forgot to latch up the steering handle with the inevitable result when he dismounted. He didn?t do it again and we loathed each other thereafter.
> Geoff F

From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net  Mon Oct 14 08:13:39 2019
From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt)
Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2019 14:13:39 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Booms
In-Reply-To: <CAB99AB9XQmX=tZPs1iVS3pT2t5FCJaRZY_KyXN9sFkHSJ3SfSw@mail.gmail.com>
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Hi Geoff,

Re treading on fingers ? cf. my post of Oct 10th under ?On screen japes and wheezes?. Probably not unconnected!

Dave Newbitt.

From: Geoff Fletcher via Tech1 
Sent: Monday, October 14, 2019 11:43 AM
To: Nick Ware 
Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk 
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Booms

I always wanted to be a cameraman but did my 6 weeks stints on sound until I went to Evesham for my TO course after  six months in.  We were lucky on Crew 4 in that we all
Got on very well and helped each other out vis a vis Sound and cameras. I enjoyed boom tracking on dramas - never let your boom op run out of rack- and gram opting but hated working thecarm as I was useless at it.  I was of course taught not to put things on the platform or touch it once the boom was in position, but it was OK with Mole booms to use a hand to get the ring moving when tracking it. One day I was lent out to another crew at the theatre and tasked with looking after a Mole boom with a somewhat heavy guy aboard. Off shot, I couldn?t get it moving with the handle so I put my hand on the platform . He stood on it and the edge lip hurt like hell. I protested, He said he would do the same only harder if I did it again. At the next move I had to push on the platform once more and he actually stamped on my hand. We had words, as  I wasn?t having that. I explained the weight inertia problem - he was unconcerned. He tried to do it one more time on the next move but missed as I saw it coming and moved my fingers in time. So I kind of forgot to latch up the steering handle with the inevitable result when he dismounted. He didn?t do it again and we loathed each other thereafter.
Geoff F

On Sat, 12 Oct 2019 at 18:07, Nick Ware via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

  Did you ever try asking make-up girls to remove their kit and go out to dinner with you, Pat? 
  ;-)
  Nick.

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    On 12 Oct 2019, at 15:09, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:


    I suppose the correct procedure would have been to politely ask the make-up girl to remove her kit, then ask her out to dinner? 




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From gary_critcher at yahoo.com  Tue Oct 15 08:51:10 2019
From: gary_critcher at yahoo.com (Gary Critcher)
Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2019 13:51:10 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tech1] The Secret War; book.
References: <2002405674.3016005.1571147470187.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <2002405674.3016005.1571147470187@mail.yahoo.com>

...I have just unearthed this BBC book in my loft, did anyone on here work on it and would anyone like the book?
? all the best,Gary
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From waresound at msn.com  Tue Oct 15 12:28:14 2019
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2019 17:28:14 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Booms
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I?m trying to remember; I think it was Al Thorpe who, when we were doing live early evening programmes, used to dip the mic into shot once for ?home early?, twice for ?home for dinner?, etc. Then had to take care not to dip in a third time or he?d get no dinner.
A great exploitation of the TV medium at the time, I thought, though it doesn?t seem much of a big deal now in the mobile phone era.

Then there was Laurie Taylor, who on our junior TO course, asked the lecturer: ?Why don?t we just paint vertical white stripes on the back of the 4033? Then it won?t matter if it gets in shot because the cameras won?t be able to resolve it!
Nick.
Sent from my iPad mini 5

On 14 Oct 2019, at 14:13, David Newbitt <dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net> wrote:

?
Hi Geoff,

Re treading on fingers ? cf. my post of Oct 10th under ?On screen japes and wheezes?. Probably not unconnected!

Dave Newbitt.


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From waresound at msn.com  Wed Oct 16 07:05:07 2019
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 12:05:07 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Booms
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Could be. I don?t think I was ever on the same crew as him though, so can?t say for sure.
Nick.
Sent from my iPad mini 5

On 16 Oct 2019, at 12:43, Roy Bailey <roybailey100 at gmail.com> wrote:

?
Wasn't Ken Twitchen the 'home for dinner' dipper?  I was attached to him on Day 1.
Roy

On Tue, 15 Oct 2019 at 18:28, Nick Ware via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk<mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:
I?m trying to remember; I think it was Al Thorpe who, when we were doing live early evening programmes, used to dip the mic into shot once for ?home early?, twice for ?home for dinner?, etc. Then had to take care not to dip in a third time or he?d get no dinner.
A great exploitation of the TV medium at the time, I thought, though it doesn?t seem much of a big deal now in the mobile phone era.

Then there was Laurie Taylor, who on our junior TO course, asked the lecturer: ?Why don?t we just paint vertical white stripes on the back of the 4033? Then it won?t matter if it gets in shot because the cameras won?t be able to resolve it!
Nick.
Sent from my iPad mini 5

On 14 Oct 2019, at 14:13, David Newbitt <dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net<mailto:dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net>> wrote:

?
Hi Geoff,

Re treading on fingers ? cf. my post of Oct 10th under ?On screen japes and wheezes?. Probably not unconnected!

Dave Newbitt.


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From geoffletch at gmail.com  Wed Oct 16 10:03:39 2019
From: geoffletch at gmail.com (Geoff Fletcher)
Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 16:03:39 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Booms
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I always thought that was Ken Twitchen, Nick.
Geoff F

On Tue, 15 Oct 2019 at 18:28, Nick Ware via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
wrote:

> I?m trying to remember; I think it was Al Thorpe who, when we were doing
> live early evening programmes, used to dip the mic into shot once for ?home
> early?, twice for ?home for dinner?, etc. Then had to take care not to dip
> in a third time or he?d get no dinner.
> A great exploitation of the TV medium at the time, I thought, though it
> doesn?t seem much of a big deal now in the mobile phone era.
>
> Then there was Laurie Taylor, who on our junior TO course, asked the
> lecturer: ?Why don?t we just paint vertical white stripes on the back of
> the 4033? Then it won?t matter if it gets in shot because the cameras won?t
> be able to resolve it!
> Nick.
> Sent from my iPad mini 5
>
> On 14 Oct 2019, at 14:13, David Newbitt <dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net> wrote:
>
> ?
>
> Hi Geoff,
>
> Re treading on fingers ? cf. my post of Oct 10th under ?On screen japes
> and wheezes?. Probably not unconnected!
>
> Dave Newbitt.
>
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From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net  Wed Oct 16 10:34:28 2019
From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt)
Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 16:34:28 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Luxury cruising
Message-ID: <D7953252C9744F59BEE8004372186F45@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>

We were in Falmouth on Oct 8th and this yacht ?April? was in the marina. Poor photo but she was obscured by peasants versions of ostentatious cruisers. Never having properly looked at such things before, I was curious enough to look her up. Built by Amels in the Netherlands to a design by Brit. Tim Heywood in 2010. Internal refit in 2013 (new home, new kitchen syndrome?). She is 52 Metres long, 9 metres wide, weighs 645 tonnes and is powered by two 2000 hp diesel engines. Fuel capacity 115,000 litres giving a range of 4,500 nautical miles.



She is used for charter hire to cruise the Mediterranean, accommodating up to 10 guests. Comes with a crew of 12 for the modest sum of ?260,000 per week plus expenses. I dread to think what the expenses might amount too. I fell to wondering if any of you have ever been on anything of the type? As an aide memoire I am attaching a web-sourced set of views of the vessel?s interior.

I did once go mackerel fishing in Lyme Bay!

Dave Newbitt.
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Wed Oct 16 12:47:16 2019
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 18:47:16 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Luxury cruising
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Actually, Yes!
I was booked to record Denis Norden?s links for the 25th anniversary of ?It?ll be Alright on the Night?
Denis wanted to film it in the Sargasso sea, as that was where stuff disappeared, like the outtakes!
A location manager was dispatched to the Caribbean to charter a boat, but the turnaround time was
just one day, so LWT was out of luck, there.
As a second string, a gin palace was chartered for a day out of Monte Carlo, and set sail into the Med
so far from shore that no land was visible whichever way the camera pointed.
I managed to get clean dialogue from Denis, wherever on the boat, so that the director rang me at home:
?I can?t hear the engines, Pat!?
?Good? I said, ?I?ve recorded FX tracks all around the ship so you can dub in what you wish?.
(This was from my film industry background, in that one goes for cleanest dialogue)

The boat?s staff fed us very well, but I had a horrendous hangover from inadvisable imbibing from the night before.
Still managed to do the job!
I was startled to see that the captain steered the boat with a single knob on an Eddystone box!
There was a wheel fastened in front of him but it was a cardboard prop.
I can?t understand these billionaires going to sea in what is a hotel suite.
Yachting is about heaving on the halliards and getting wet and uncomfortable, innit!

An aside:
On the Michael Winner film ?Firepower?, we arrived at  English Harbour in Antigua, for a sequence.
Coco Chanel?s yacht was right in centre of the shot. MW was apoplectic, as he had stipulated that he had
?carte blanche? on the location.
He got it shifted!
I admire him for that although in other ways he was less than a decent fellow.
Pat
 




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From: David Newbitt via Tech1
Sent: 16 October 2019 16:35
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: [Tech1] Luxury cruising

?

?I fell to wondering if any of you have ever been on anything of the type? 
?
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From ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com  Wed Oct 16 15:19:50 2019
From: ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com (Albert Barber)
Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 21:19:50 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Cardiff pensions
Message-ID: <3421DC3A-8D47-4FCF-9A00-25D7ACBC1C4C@btinternet.com>

Anyone have any memories of working at the old pension centre at Cardiff. What was it before pensions centre?

Sent from my iPad


From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com  Thu Oct 17 02:40:18 2019
From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray)
Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2019 08:40:18 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] EMI 203 cameras
Message-ID: <04d31349-3286-f9b8-7b28-79f8d001fb86@gmail.com>

Hi all,

Two photographs of the EMI 203 IO camera:

EMI 203s


The only one I remember is the one with the focus handle at the rear 
bottom - not halfway up the side.

What were the differences?? Did the Beeb have both types?? Why were they 
different?


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From peter.fox at zero51.force9.co.uk  Thu Oct 17 03:09:37 2019
From: peter.fox at zero51.force9.co.uk (Peter Fox)
Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2019 09:09:37 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] EMI 203 cameras
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References: <04d31349-3286-f9b8-7b28-79f8d001fb86@gmail.com>
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As I understood it the high forward focus handle was the prototype or early production version and given short shrift by the BBC.  EMI came back with the camera as we knew it which then matched contemporary Marconi and the CPS Emitron 
cameras and later Pye (more or less) as being the ?proper? place for a focus handle (after Beer Pump handles.) I can?t imagine what they were thinking of, because their CPS Emitron predated it by years with a rear mounted focus (on the left). There is a blanking plate in the abandoned position on 203  production models. 

Peter Fox

> On 17 Oct 2019, at 08:41, Alec Bray via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Hi all,
> 
> Two photographs of the EMI 203 IO camera:
> 
> <two different EMI 203s.png>
> 
> 
> 
> The only one I remember is the one with the focus handle at the rear bottom - not halfway up the side.
> 
> What were the differences?  Did the Beeb have both types?  Why were they different?
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> 
> Best Regards
> 
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> 
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> 
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From alex.thomas1 at talktalk.net  Thu Oct 17 03:48:10 2019
From: alex.thomas1 at talktalk.net (Alex Thomas)
Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2019 09:48:10 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] EMI 203 cameras
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I remember the awkwardness of having a 5 position turret , 4 lenses and a diascope , which meant that on a quick lens change you had to think which way to go, clockwise or anticlockwise.

 

Alex Thomas.

 

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Hi all,

Two photographs of the EMI 203 IO camera:



 

The only one I remember is the one with the focus handle at the rear bottom - not halfway up the side.

What were the differences?  Did the Beeb have both types?  Why were they different?

 

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From saranewman at hotmail.com  Mon Oct 21 02:00:54 2019
From: saranewman at hotmail.com (Sara Newman)
Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2019 07:00:54 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Luxury cruising
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Hi Everyone,

I am off to Antarctica in February and would like to take a camera which takes video as well as stills, is not too heavy and bulky. In all honesty for the last few years I have used my phone and a cheap Fuji for when I am in the water snorkelling which needs replacing. I would welcome any input from the group. We will be out on the ice /in Zodiac and kayaking so needs to be waterproof/ have waterproof casing Is GoPro 7 Hero any good. Hope everyone is well and Thank you
Sarax


Sent from my iPad

On 16 Oct 2019, at 18:47, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk<mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:

Actually, Yes!
I was booked to record Denis Norden?s links for the 25th anniversary of ?It?ll be Alright on the Night?
Denis wanted to film it in the Sargasso sea, as that was where stuff disappeared, like the outtakes!
A location manager was dispatched to the Caribbean to charter a boat, but the turnaround time was
just one day, so LWT was out of luck, there.
As a second string, a gin palace was chartered for a day out of Monte Carlo, and set sail into the Med
so far from shore that no land was visible whichever way the camera pointed.
I managed to get clean dialogue from Denis, wherever on the boat, so that the director rang me at home:
?I can?t hear the engines, Pat!?
?Good? I said, ?I?ve recorded FX tracks all around the ship so you can dub in what you wish?.
(This was from my film industry background, in that one goes for cleanest dialogue)

The boat?s staff fed us very well, but I had a horrendous hangover from inadvisable imbibing from the night before.
Still managed to do the job!
I was startled to see that the captain steered the boat with a single knob on an Eddystone box!
There was a wheel fastened in front of him but it was a cardboard prop.
I can?t understand these billionaires going to sea in what is a hotel suite.
Yachting is about heaving on the halliards and getting wet and uncomfortable, innit!

An aside:
On the Michael Winner film ?Firepower?, we arrived at  English Harbour in Antigua, for a sequence.
Coco Chanel?s yacht was right in centre of the shot. MW was apoplectic, as he had stipulated that he had
?carte blanche? on the location.
He got it shifted!
I admire him for that although in other ways he was less than a decent fellow.
Pat




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Subject: [Tech1] Luxury cruising



 I fell to wondering if any of you have ever been on anything of the type?

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From paul at pgtmedia.co.uk  Mon Oct 21 02:17:13 2019
From: paul at pgtmedia.co.uk (Paul Thackray)
Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2019 08:17:13 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Luxury cruising
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Which ever cameras you choose, take extra batteries. I went 15 years ago 
and found battery life at low temps was annoyingly short.

It does depend just where about s you are going, but I found some areas 
were muddy, not icy. I found wellington boots essential to get from a 
Zodiac on to land (Always a few ins of water to cross) and on to the 
land where it was a mix of mud and what the penguins had done (As they 
moult at that time of year , so can not go in the sea, everything has to 
be done on land.... )

Finding someone else to clean your boots can also be helpful !


Paul

On 21/10/2019 08:00, Sara Newman via Tech1 wrote:
> Hi Everyone,
>
> I am off to Antarctica in February and would like to take a camera 
> which takes video as well as stills, is not too heavy and bulky. In 
> all honesty for the last few years I have used my phone and a cheap 
> Fuji for when I am in the water snorkelling which needs replacing. I 
> would welcome any input from the group. We will be out on the ice /in 
> Zodiac and kayaking so needs to be waterproof/ have waterproof casing 
> Is GoPro 7 Hero any good. Hope everyone is well and Thank you
> Sarax
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On 16 Oct 2019, at 18:47, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk 
> <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:
>
>> Actually, Yes!
>>
>> I was booked to record Denis Norden?s links for the 25^th anniversary 
>> of ?It?ll be Alright on the Night?
>>
>> Denis wanted to film it in the Sargasso sea, as that was where stuff 
>> disappeared, like the outtakes!
>>
>> A location manager was dispatched to the Caribbean to charter a boat, 
>> but the turnaround time was
>>
>> just one day, so LWT was out of luck, there.
>>
>> As a second string, a gin palace was chartered for a day out of Monte 
>> Carlo, and set sail into the Med
>>
>> so far from shore that no land was visible whichever way the camera 
>> pointed.
>>
>> I managed to get clean dialogue from Denis, wherever on the boat, so 
>> that the director rang me at home:
>>
>> ?I can?t hear the engines, Pat!?
>>
>> ?Good? I said, ?I?ve recorded FX tracks all around the ship so you 
>> can dub in what you wish?.
>>
>> (This was from my film industry background, in that one goes for 
>> cleanest dialogue)
>>
>> The boat?s staff fed us very well, but I had a horrendous hangover 
>> from inadvisable imbibing from the night before.
>>
>> Still managed to do the job!
>>
>> I was startled to see that the captain steered the boat with a single 
>> knob on an Eddystone box!
>>
>> There was a wheel fastened in front of him but it was a cardboard prop.
>>
>> I can?t understand these billionaires going to sea in what is a hotel 
>> suite.
>>
>> Yachting is about heaving on the halliards and getting wet and 
>> uncomfortable, innit!
>>
>> An aside:
>>
>> On the Michael Winner film ?Firepower?, we arrived at? English 
>> Harbour in Antigua, for a sequence.
>>
>> Coco Chanel?s yacht was right in centre of the shot. MW was 
>> apoplectic, as he had stipulated that he had
>>
>> ?carte blanche? on the location.
>>
>> He got it shifted!
>>
>> I admire him for that although in other ways he was less than a 
>> decent fellow.
>>
>> Pat
>>
>> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for 
>> Windows 10
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>> *From: *David Newbitt via Tech1 <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
>> *Sent: *16 October 2019 16:35
>> *To: *tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
>> *Subject: *[Tech1] Luxury cruising
>>
>> ?I fell to wondering if any of you have ever been on anything of the 
>> type?
>>
>> Dave Newbitt.
>>
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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Mon Oct 21 02:21:21 2019
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2019 09:21:21 +0200
Subject: [Tech1] Luxury cruising
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I've been using just the phone on holiday for several years now.

B

On Mon, 21 Oct 2019, 09:17 Paul Thackray via Tech1, <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
wrote:

> Which ever cameras you choose, take extra batteries. I went 15 years ago
> and found battery life at low temps was annoyingly short.
>
> It does depend just where about s you are going, but I found some areas
> were muddy, not icy. I found wellington boots essential to get from a
> Zodiac on to land (Always a few ins of water to cross) and on to the land
> where it was a mix of mud and what the penguins had done (As they moult at
> that time of year , so can not go in the sea, everything has to be done on
> land.... )
>
> Finding someone else to clean your boots can also be helpful !
>
>
> Paul
> On 21/10/2019 08:00, Sara Newman via Tech1 wrote:
>
> Hi Everyone,
>
> I am off to Antarctica in February and would like to take a camera which
> takes video as well as stills, is not too heavy and bulky. In all honesty
> for the last few years I have used my phone and a cheap Fuji for when I am
> in the water snorkelling which needs replacing. I would welcome any input
> from the group. We will be out on the ice /in Zodiac and kayaking so needs
> to be waterproof/ have waterproof casing Is GoPro 7 Hero any good. Hope
> everyone is well and Thank you
> Sarax
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On 16 Oct 2019, at 18:47, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
> Actually, Yes!
>
> I was booked to record Denis Norden?s links for the 25th anniversary of
> ?It?ll be Alright on the Night?
>
> Denis wanted to film it in the Sargasso sea, as that was where stuff
> disappeared, like the outtakes!
>
> A location manager was dispatched to the Caribbean to charter a boat, but
> the turnaround time was
>
> just one day, so LWT was out of luck, there.
>
> As a second string, a gin palace was chartered for a day out of Monte
> Carlo, and set sail into the Med
>
> so far from shore that no land was visible whichever way the camera
> pointed.
>
> I managed to get clean dialogue from Denis, wherever on the boat, so that
> the director rang me at home:
>
> ?I can?t hear the engines, Pat!?
>
> ?Good? I said, ?I?ve recorded FX tracks all around the ship so you can dub
> in what you wish?.
>
> (This was from my film industry background, in that one goes for cleanest
> dialogue)
>
>
>
> The boat?s staff fed us very well, but I had a horrendous hangover from
> inadvisable imbibing from the night before.
>
> Still managed to do the job!
>
> I was startled to see that the captain steered the boat with a single knob
> on an Eddystone box!
>
> There was a wheel fastened in front of him but it was a cardboard prop.
>
> I can?t understand these billionaires going to sea in what is a hotel
> suite.
>
> Yachting is about heaving on the halliards and getting wet and
> uncomfortable, innit!
>
>
>
> An aside:
>
> On the Michael Winner film ?Firepower?, we arrived at  English Harbour in
> Antigua, for a sequence.
>
> Coco Chanel?s yacht was right in centre of the shot. MW was apoplectic, as
> he had stipulated that he had
>
> ?carte blanche? on the location.
>
> He got it shifted!
>
> I admire him for that although in other ways he was less than a decent
> fellow.
>
> Pat
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
> Windows 10
>
>
>
> *From: *David Newbitt via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> *Sent: *16 October 2019 16:35
> *To: *tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> *Subject: *[Tech1] Luxury cruising
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>  I fell to wondering if any of you have ever been on anything of the type?
>
>
>
> Dave Newbitt.
>
>
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From waresound at msn.com  Mon Oct 21 03:39:22 2019
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2019 08:39:22 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Luxury cruising
Message-ID: <VI1P192MB02710E1126C6ABBA5B45E288A7690@VI1P192MB0271.EURP192.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

I have a GoPro Hero7. I think the thing you need to bear in mind is that it?s a fixed very wide angle lens. Even in its linear (non-barrel-distortion) mode it?s still pretty wide. On the plus side of course, it?s fully waterproof, but only on its internal battery. Not waterproof with external powering (flap open). But for what it is, it has obvious virtues that nothing else can match.
For stills I use a Panasonic LUMIX G7 with it?s micro four-thirds 10-1 zoom. Much lighter than a Canon 5D, etc., it?s a combination that absolutely puts my old Hasselblad (film) kit to shame. Shoots video at up to 4K, but it?s not waterproof.
Cheers,
Nick.
Sent from my iPad mini 5

> On 21 Oct 2019, at 08:01, Sara Newman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

From relong at btinternet.com  Mon Oct 21 04:42:13 2019
From: relong at btinternet.com (Roger E Long)
Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2019 10:42:13 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Luxury cruising
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I did 10 yrs of Under Sail a BBC2 film series on working boats in the UK
I really enjoyed it, and it was down the rough and ready end of sailing , even the director, ex Navy was sick
Not a 'Ramada inn on the high seas' but working inshore/fishing boats and 4 masted barques and even  a Clipper
Sail training vessels galore ,even for those in wheelchairs ,with special lifts  to the rigging
Many wonderful moments ,even in a Galein the Bay of Biscay on a 4 Master Winston Churchill
Favourite voyage was on Asgard, the Irish Barque, around Southern Ireland, dropping in every night with the Zodiac to the different local Ironmonger/pubs and ending up in the Arran Islands and the Galway Music Festival.
I also did a memorable Captain Cook film shot in the US Virgin Islands and Western Samoa, that was strangely gruelling as the ship was taking on 12 tons of water an hour but only capable of pumping out 10.
Austen Spriggs had redesigned it to look like Endeavour, but the planked deck was not sealed and pigs were wandering about unfettered.
If we were doing dialog below deck one had to be wary of a squatting pig above and its copious evacuations.
The crew were all ex Vietnam boat bums, many had lost limbs and looked very authentic.
We had a minor mutiny about catering
An exec was sent out from TFS Ealing, it got tiresome.
Samoa was fabulous, we stayed at Aggie Greys Hotel, but nearly got thrown off the island  as we filmed on a Sunday (its a very Baptist community now)
We had featured naked girls in the waterfalls, one of whom was the local Police Chiefs daughter.
All Hell broke loose.

Roger

> On 21 Oct 2019, at 09:39, Nick Ware via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> I have a GoPro Hero7. I think the thing you need to bear in mind is that it?s a fixed very wide angle lens. Even in its linear (non-barrel-distortion) mode it?s still pretty wide. On the plus side of course, it?s fully waterproof, but only on its internal battery. Not waterproof with external powering (flap open). But for what it is, it has obvious virtues that nothing else can match.
> For stills I use a Panasonic LUMIX G7 with it?s micro four-thirds 10-1 zoom. Much lighter than a Canon 5D, etc., it?s a combination that absolutely puts my old Hasselblad (film) kit to shame. Shoots video at up to 4K, but it?s not waterproof.
> Cheers,
> Nick.
> Sent from my iPad mini 5
> 
>> On 21 Oct 2019, at 08:01, Sara Newman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Tue Oct 22 07:02:06 2019
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2019 13:02:06 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Dixon of Dock Green
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Re: Japes & Wheezes
As Radio 4 Extra is running some reconstructed Dixon programmes, I am reminded of a jape that was played on Arthur Rigby who played the desk sergeant.
He never strayed far from his position behind the desk, and didn?t bother to learn his lines ? taping the script inside the desk ledger.
The rest of the cast decided to play up one day, and took the ledger to pieces, mixing up all the script pages.
Total panic when he couldn?t find the right place!
Anyone else know of this story?

The poor chap died in 1971, at only 70 years.

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From dudley.darby at gmail.com  Tue Oct 22 07:37:01 2019
From: dudley.darby at gmail.com (Dudley Darby)
Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2019 13:37:01 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Dixon of Dock Green
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And most of the time he only wore the top half of the uniform as the lower
half was never seen.

 

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Sent: 22 October 2019 13:02
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: [Tech1] Dixon of Dock Green

 

 

Re: Japes & Wheezes

As Radio 4 Extra is running some reconstructed Dixon programmes, I am
reminded of a jape that was played on Arthur Rigby who played the desk
sergeant.

He never strayed far from his position behind the desk, and didn't bother to
learn his lines - taping the script inside the desk ledger.

The rest of the cast decided to play up one day, and took the ledger to
pieces, mixing up all the script pages.

Total panic when he couldn't find the right place!

Anyone else know of this story?

 

The poor chap died in 1971, at only 70 years.

 

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Pat

 

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From: geoffletch at gmail.com (Geoff Fletcher)
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Yes Pat, I remember hearing about it. He also used to write notes for
himself and keep them inside his cap!
Geoff F

On Tue, 22 Oct 2019 at 13:37, Dudley Darby via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
wrote:

> And most of the time he only wore the top half of the uniform as the lower
> half was never seen.
>
>
>
> Dudley
>
>
>
> *Dudley C. Darby*
>
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> *P* Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail
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> *Sent:* 22 October 2019 13:02
> *To:* tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> *Subject:* [Tech1] Dixon of Dock Green
>
>
>
>
>
> Re: Japes & Wheezes
>
> As Radio 4 Extra is running some reconstructed Dixon programmes, I am
> reminded of a jape that was played on Arthur Rigby who played the desk
> sergeant.
>
> He never strayed far from his position behind the desk, and didn?t bother
> to learn his lines ? taping the script inside the desk ledger.
>
> The rest of the cast decided to play up one day, and took the ledger to
> pieces, mixing up all the script pages.
>
> Total panic when he couldn?t find the right place!
>
> Anyone else know of this story?
>
>
>
> The poor chap died in 1971, at only 70 years.
>
>
>
> Best
>
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From mikej at bmanor.co.uk  Thu Oct 24 03:40:26 2019
From: mikej at bmanor.co.uk (Mike Jordan)
Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2019 09:40:26 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] How to record in a Crown Court
Message-ID: <527B204BC01D461C8B737FB4345ABB64@Gigabyte>

I know we are all told now that even the  latest TV programmes are ?filmed? but the latest fact comes from a report in the Evening Standard which tells us how and on what medium pictures are saved in an iPhone.



geddit?

Also I have just been referred to the ?Cinematography? facebook page which has some amazing items including T shirts for sound/lighting staff and  a new GOPRO camera larger than a 2001

Good laughing!

Mike
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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Thu Oct 24 04:38:35 2019
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2019 10:38:35 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] How to record in a Crown Court
In-Reply-To: <527B204BC01D461C8B737FB4345ABB64@Gigabyte>
References: <527B204BC01D461C8B737FB4345ABB64@Gigabyte>
Message-ID: <cc1cac52-479b-d8d5-22d1-5a3e88975f3b@ntlworld.com>

Doesn't your phone have a tiny tape machine? ? All the latest ones do, 
which is why they want ?1000 for them.

B



On 24/10/2019 09:40, Mike Jordan via Tech1 wrote:
> I know we are all told now that even the? latest TV programmes are 
> ?filmed? but the latest fact comes from a report in the Evening 
> Standard which tells us how and on what medium pictures are saved in 
> an iPhone.
> tapes
> geddit?
> Also I have just been referred to the ?Cinematography? facebook page 
> which has some amazing items including T shirts for sound/lighting 
> staff and? a new GOPRO camera larger than a 2001
> Good laughing!
> Mike
>

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From graeme.wall at icloud.com  Thu Oct 24 04:45:12 2019
From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall)
Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2019 10:45:12 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] How to record in a Crown Court
In-Reply-To: <527B204BC01D461C8B737FB4345ABB64@Gigabyte>
References: <527B204BC01D461C8B737FB4345ABB64@Gigabyte>
Message-ID: <D9901499-A28B-4C64-A2A1-EC2B5F10C902@icloud.com>

Like the T-shirst, I want one that says, Don?t Ask Me, I?m just the cameraman.
? 
Graeme Wall


> On 24 Oct 2019, at 09:40, Mike Jordan via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> I know we are all told now that even the  latest TV programmes are ?filmed? but the latest fact comes from a report in the Evening Standard which tells us how and on what medium pictures are saved in an iPhone.
>  
> <tapes[1].jpg>
>  
> geddit?
>  
> Also I have just been referred to the ?Cinematography? facebook page which has some amazing items including T shirts for sound/lighting staff and  a new GOPRO camera larger than a 2001
>  
> Good laughing!
>  
> Mike
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From geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com  Thu Oct 24 05:31:26 2019
From: geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com (geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com)
Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2019 11:31:26 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] How to record in a Crown Court
In-Reply-To: <D9901499-A28B-4C64-A2A1-EC2B5F10C902@icloud.com>
References: <527B204BC01D461C8B737FB4345ABB64@Gigabyte>
	<D9901499-A28B-4C64-A2A1-EC2B5F10C902@icloud.com>
Message-ID: <003901d58a56$30b1b1f0$921515d0$@gmail.com>

Hi Graham,
You may remember Rod Nathan from the late seventies, early eighties and his T-shirt with the word "Dunno" in large letters across the back. I wonder what happened to him as he wasn't around for very long

Geoff

-----Original Message-----
From: Tech1 [mailto:tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk] On Behalf Of Graeme Wall via Tech1
Sent: 24 October 2019 10:45
To: Mike Jordan
Cc: Tech ops
Subject: Re: [Tech1] How to record in a Crown Court

Like the T-shirst, I want one that says, Don?t Ask Me, I?m just the cameraman.
? 
Graeme Wall


> On 24 Oct 2019, at 09:40, Mike Jordan via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> I know we are all told now that even the  latest TV programmes are ?filmed? but the latest fact comes from a report in the Evening Standard which tells us how and on what medium pictures are saved in an iPhone.
>  
> <tapes[1].jpg>
>  
> geddit?
>  
> Also I have just been referred to the ?Cinematography? facebook page which has some amazing items including T shirts for sound/lighting staff and  a new GOPRO camera larger than a 2001
>  
> Good laughing!
>  
> Mike
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From saranewman at hotmail.com  Thu Oct 24 05:45:46 2019
From: saranewman at hotmail.com (Sara Newman)
Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2019 10:45:46 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] How to record in a Crown Court
In-Reply-To: <527B204BC01D461C8B737FB4345ABB64@Gigabyte>
References: <527B204BC01D461C8B737FB4345ABB64@Gigabyte>
Message-ID: <DB6PR01MB384870D35E12288B40A689CAD06A0@DB6PR01MB3848.eurprd01.prod.exchangelabs.com>

Which FB page there seem to be three?
Thank you
sara

On 24 Oct 2019, at 09:40, Mike Jordan via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk<mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:

I know we are all told now that even the  latest TV programmes are ?filmed? but the latest fact comes from a report in the Evening Standard which tells us how and on what medium pictures are saved in an iPhone.

<tapes[1].jpg>

geddit?

Also I have just been referred to the ?Cinematography? facebook page which has some amazing items including T shirts for sound/lighting staff and  a new GOPRO camera larger than a 2001

Good laughing!

Mike
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From timhealy935 at btinternet.com  Thu Oct 24 12:20:04 2019
From: timhealy935 at btinternet.com (Michael Healy)
Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2019 18:20:04 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Rodney's 'do'
Message-ID: <C3F171A5-418E-4BCA-924D-067360448B39@btinternet.com>

Could someone let me know the times of the ?do? on Monday?

Ta
Tim

From pat.heigham at amps.net  Thu Oct 24 14:19:22 2019
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2019 20:19:22 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Tea Bar chat
Message-ID: <5db1f939.1c69fb81.748fa.6888@mx.google.com>

Continuing the general chat/grouses etc
I offer another topic for grousing:
It is really irritating that Utilities/Broadband suppliers etc
offer really good deals ? but only for new customers.
What about those who have loyally stayed with them for maybe years!
Why can?t the deals be extended to us?
Oh! Silly me ? it?s a come-on to get new customers, then they are hit with the regular rates after the first year....
Pat

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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Thu Oct 24 14:25:10 2019
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2019 20:25:10 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Tea Bar chat
In-Reply-To: <5db1f939.1c69fb81.748fa.6888@mx.google.com>
References: <5db1f939.1c69fb81.748fa.6888@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <77a34382-4c37-7235-218c-b5818230556e@gmail.com>

Just keep moving on

B



On 24/10/2019 20:19, patheigham via Tech1 wrote:
>
> Continuing the general chat/grouses etc
>
> I offer another topic for grousing:
>
> It is really irritating that Utilities/Broadband suppliers etc
>
> offer really good deals ? but only for _new_ customers.
>
> What about those who have loyally stayed with them for maybe years!
>
> Why can?t the deals be extended to us?
>
> Oh! Silly me ? it?s a come-on to get new customers, then they are hit 
> with the regular rates after the first year....
>
> Pat
>
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From keithwicksuk at gmail.com  Fri Oct 25 01:39:55 2019
From: keithwicksuk at gmail.com (Keith Wicks)
Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2019 07:39:55 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] BBC launches Dark Web site
Message-ID: <CAA=qGJnH5FCePD5A_WSmrTKPkUAW90nsGhiyQZT+cPgXDpCmhg@mail.gmail.com>

To make it easier to access BBC News from countries where it is banned, BBC
News has been made available on the Dark Web. See:

https://www.theregister.co.uk/2019/10/24/beeb_launches_dedicated_dark_web_site/

At the end of the article, click on the  Comments  button for discussions
of some interesting topics, such as licence-free access from overseas.

KW
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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Fri Oct 25 09:04:54 2019
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2019 15:04:54 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] BBC launches Dark Web site
In-Reply-To: <CAA=qGJnH5FCePD5A_WSmrTKPkUAW90nsGhiyQZT+cPgXDpCmhg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAA=qGJnH5FCePD5A_WSmrTKPkUAW90nsGhiyQZT+cPgXDpCmhg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <dc90fb08-fed9-410f-7971-4dba8e34d57c@gmail.com>

It works!? Changing country is a pig, though.

B



On 25/10/2019 07:39, Keith Wicks via Tech1 wrote:
> To make it easier to access BBC News from countries where it is 
> banned, BBC News has been made available on the Dark Web. See:
>
> https://www.theregister.co.uk/2019/10/24/beeb_launches_dedicated_dark_web_site/
>
> At the end of the article, click on the Comments button for 
> discussions of some interesting topics,?such as licence-free access 
> from overseas.
>
> KW
>
>

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From dave at davesound.co.uk  Fri Oct 25 09:06:14 2019
From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman)
Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2019 15:06:14 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Tea Bar chat
In-Reply-To: <77a34382-4c37-7235-218c-b5818230556e@gmail.com>
References: <5db1f939.1c69fb81.748fa.6888@mx.google.com>
	<77a34382-4c37-7235-218c-b5818230556e@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <580885efc1dave@davesound.co.uk>

In article <77a34382-4c37-7235-218c-b5818230556e at gmail.com>,
   Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> Just keep moving on

It seems to me an odd business model. Even more so with, say, car
insurance. They take on a new risk at a discount while knowing full well
existing customers (better known risks) will be upset by this.

I've just changed from More Than to Direct Line and saved ?300. Couldn't
get as good a deal by using the comparative websites. Perhaps they have
outlived their usefulness?

ML had tried to increased my premium by more than the rate of inflation,
after being with them for 4 years. Why I decided to look around.

-- 
*It was all so different before everything changed.

    Dave Plowman     dave at davesound.co.uk     London SW 12
    


From geoffletch at gmail.com  Sat Oct 26 02:50:05 2019
From: geoffletch at gmail.com (Geoff Fletcher)
Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2019 08:50:05 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Tea Bar chat
In-Reply-To: <580885efc1dave@davesound.co.uk>
References: <5db1f939.1c69fb81.748fa.6888@mx.google.com>
	<77a34382-4c37-7235-218c-b5818230556e@gmail.com>
	<580885efc1dave@davesound.co.uk>
Message-ID: <CAB99AB_rKGfUd-viPv_86x=3Gthbj0p=6SU69zd0nGsyF1hCGg@mail.gmail.com>

I too left More Than - for Aviva in my case. Saved ?320 last year. Pleased
to find that my premium had remained the same this year rather than being
hugely hiked up as previously.
Geoff F

On Fri, 25 Oct 2019 at 15:12, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
wrote:

> In article <77a34382-4c37-7235-218c-b5818230556e at gmail.com>,
>    Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> > Just keep moving on
>
> It seems to me an odd business model. Even more so with, say, car
> insurance. They take on a new risk at a discount while knowing full well
> existing customers (better known risks) will be upset by this.
>
> I've just changed from More Than to Direct Line and saved ?300. Couldn't
> get as good a deal by using the comparative websites. Perhaps they have
> outlived their usefulness?
>
> ML had tried to increased my premium by more than the rate of inflation,
> after being with them for 4 years. Why I decided to look around.
>
> --
> *It was all so different before everything changed.
>
>     Dave Plowman     dave at davesound.co.uk     London SW 12
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From graeme.wall at icloud.com  Sat Oct 26 04:01:45 2019
From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall)
Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2019 10:01:45 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Tea Bar chat
In-Reply-To: <CAB99AB_rKGfUd-viPv_86x=3Gthbj0p=6SU69zd0nGsyF1hCGg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5db1f939.1c69fb81.748fa.6888@mx.google.com>
	<77a34382-4c37-7235-218c-b5818230556e@gmail.com>
	<580885efc1dave@davesound.co.uk>
	<CAB99AB_rKGfUd-viPv_86x=3Gthbj0p=6SU69zd0nGsyF1hCGg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <37E51987-3B6F-4E0F-90D4-ED0045F41B8D@icloud.com>

More Than - everone else!  I was with LV, they seemed pretty reasonable.
? 
Graeme Wall


> On 26 Oct 2019, at 08:50, Geoff Fletcher via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> I too left More Than - for Aviva in my case. Saved ?320 last year. Pleased to find that my premium had remained the same this year rather than being hugely hiked up as previously.
> Geoff F
> 
> On Fri, 25 Oct 2019 at 15:12, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <77a34382-4c37-7235-218c-b5818230556e at gmail.com>,
>    Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> > Just keep moving on
> 
> It seems to me an odd business model. Even more so with, say, car
> insurance. They take on a new risk at a discount while knowing full well
> existing customers (better known risks) will be upset by this.
> 
> I've just changed from More Than to Direct Line and saved ?300. Couldn't
> get as good a deal by using the comparative websites. Perhaps they have
> outlived their usefulness?
> 
> ML had tried to increased my premium by more than the rate of inflation,
> after being with them for 4 years. Why I decided to look around.
> 
> -- 
> *It was all so different before everything changed.
> 
>     Dave Plowman     dave at davesound.co.uk     London SW 12
> 
> 
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From tonynuttall at me.com  Sat Oct 26 06:03:38 2019
From: tonynuttall at me.com (William Nuttall)
Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2019 11:03:38 -0000
Subject: [Tech1] Car Insurance. MOST IMPORTANT TO SHOP AROUND
Message-ID: <bf3eaa4a-fa20-47db-adcb-b2f9a4f13a77@me.com>

My self & the better half?have been with LV for the past ten years. I was
paying ?300.00 pa & my wife ?270.00 pa for our Subaru OUTBACK &
Subaru FORESTER. Latest LV??renewal pushed my OUTBACK to ?360.00 and my
wife's FORESTER to ?300.00. We tried to get a quote from NFU but their
web site took ?us to "GO COMPARE."

The best quote for myself & my wife came from GA (General Accident.)
We both changed our ?Subaru models to one year old S/H Subarus this summer.

My renewal with GA & ?better Roadside Recovery for the Outback is now ?240.00 with GA
My wife's quote for renewal again with GA with better cover than LV is ?218.00.

Do shop around. I will be shopping around again next year when we have to renew again.

Tony Nuttall, in the Wilds of Cumbria (part of the Great Northern Power House)


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From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk  Sat Oct 26 06:52:20 2019
From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf)
Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2019 12:52:20 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Car Insurance. MOST IMPORTANT TO SHOP AROUND
In-Reply-To: <bf3eaa4a-fa20-47db-adcb-b2f9a4f13a77@me.com>
References: <bf3eaa4a-fa20-47db-adcb-b2f9a4f13a77@me.com>
Message-ID: <cb865186-9342-2f44-ab20-b67b563ffe79@chriswoolf.co.uk>


On 26/10/2019 12:03, William Nuttall via Tech1 wrote:
> .....We tried to get a quote from NFU but their
> web site took ?us to "GO COMPARE."

You should probably have tried going to an NFU office rather than Go 
Compare. None of the comparison sites are neutral, and don't include 
every possible option. Rather obviously they are commercial businesses 
funded by deals with the insurance companies, and relying on such a 
comparison is unreliable.

Indeed the best ~continuing~ deals are inevitably going to be the ones 
that come from companies that try to avoid the comparison sites and may 
not charge the lowest headline rate for a first year.

The NFU certainly falls into this category. It isn't particularly 
expensive, and offers some pretty respectable prices accompanied by 
~very~ low cost RCA cover. They also have the advantage of being a great 
deal easier to deal with for claims than most of the cheap-deal companies.

It ~does~ pay to look at the business model behind these various 
companies to unravel whether the deals are "good" or "illusory". The NFU 
is a mutual - no shareholders pockets to fill up en route - and that 
makes it possible to be very good value.

It is no different from the electricity supply business. Half a dozen 
companies have gone bust this year alone, and while some buyers got 
cheap power short-term, all of us are having to pay higher bills 
long-term to cover these failures. Car insurance has ramped up as an 
average purely because of poor business practice, replacement car 
tie-ins and other scams.

Buying good value is wise, buying below a sane market value can never 
end well.


Chris Woolf



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From teateatone2 at gmail.com  Sun Oct 27 10:20:33 2019
From: teateatone2 at gmail.com (Tony Grant)
Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2019 15:20:33 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Rod
Message-ID: <CAEMv0RPpzE+VMqegdZBvGR1BKoO0H57vSfTLG88vxJQqZRdnLg@mail.gmail.com>

Whilst I have been computer-less, I now find on my return that several
subjects have cropped up that I may revisit in the next while. First off, I
was dreadfully sorry to hear about Rod, and whilst searching through
paperwork recently I came across a whole stack of photos which need to be
archived. Amongst them, I hope you find attached a picture of the man
himself, and a motley crew in the Blue Peter garden.

TeaTeaFN - Tony
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From teateatone2 at gmail.com  Sun Oct 27 10:26:39 2019
From: teateatone2 at gmail.com (Tony Grant)
Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2019 15:26:39 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Car Insurance. MOST IMPORTANT TO SHOP AROUND
In-Reply-To: <cb865186-9342-2f44-ab20-b67b563ffe79@chriswoolf.co.uk>
References: <bf3eaa4a-fa20-47db-adcb-b2f9a4f13a77@me.com>
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I too am with NFU, and found that they gave me the best quote nearly two
years ago. Not only that, the renewal amount this year was LESS than the
previous year! They claim they repay loyalty by applying a discount to your
premium year on year. I have now insured both cars and our property with
them.

TeaTeaFN - Tony

On Sat, Oct 26, 2019 at 12:52 PM Chris Woolf via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
wrote:

>
> On 26/10/2019 12:03, William Nuttall via Tech1 wrote:
> > .....We tried to get a quote from NFU but their
> > web site took  us to "GO COMPARE."
>
> You should probably have tried going to an NFU office rather than Go
> Compare. None of the comparison sites are neutral, and don't include
> every possible option. Rather obviously they are commercial businesses
> funded by deals with the insurance companies, and relying on such a
> comparison is unreliable.
>
> Indeed the best ~continuing~ deals are inevitably going to be the ones
> that come from companies that try to avoid the comparison sites and may
> not charge the lowest headline rate for a first year.
>
> The NFU certainly falls into this category. It isn't particularly
> expensive, and offers some pretty respectable prices accompanied by
> ~very~ low cost RCA cover. They also have the advantage of being a great
> deal easier to deal with for claims than most of the cheap-deal companies.
>
> It ~does~ pay to look at the business model behind these various
> companies to unravel whether the deals are "good" or "illusory". The NFU
> is a mutual - no shareholders pockets to fill up en route - and that
> makes it possible to be very good value.
>
> It is no different from the electricity supply business. Half a dozen
> companies have gone bust this year alone, and while some buyers got
> cheap power short-term, all of us are having to pay higher bills
> long-term to cover these failures. Car insurance has ramped up as an
> average purely because of poor business practice, replacement car
> tie-ins and other scams.
>
> Buying good value is wise, buying below a sane market value can never
> end well.
>
>
> Chris Woolf
>
>
>
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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Sun Oct 27 11:15:44 2019
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2019 16:15:44 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Rod
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At last -

 From Tony Grant, a decent picture of Rodney Taylor -


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From teateatone2 at gmail.com  Sun Oct 27 11:54:12 2019
From: teateatone2 at gmail.com (Tony Grant)
Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2019 16:54:12 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Tea Bar chat
In-Reply-To: <37E51987-3B6F-4E0F-90D4-ED0045F41B8D@icloud.com>
References: <5db1f939.1c69fb81.748fa.6888@mx.google.com>
	<77a34382-4c37-7235-218c-b5818230556e@gmail.com>
	<580885efc1dave@davesound.co.uk>
	<CAB99AB_rKGfUd-viPv_86x=3Gthbj0p=6SU69zd0nGsyF1hCGg@mail.gmail.com>
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What's all this? In my absence someone has seen fit to initiate a tea bar?
Well, heck, blow and spit, I'm getting on this particular band wagon
straight away. Funnily enough, whilst I was computer-less I renegotiated my
broadband deal with John Lewis, but decided not to go for fibre just yet,
seeing as it's still copper to the house. However, my question for the
resident experts here, since Open Reach have been installing 'overhead
fibre' all round our area, meaning they've strung miles of cable from
existing telegraph posts:

Is the 'free-range' fibre cable sufficiently robust to withstand the sort
of Snowdonia weather we get on a frequent basis?

I ask since I've had two opposing views on the matter already, one saying
that fibre is completely flexible and won't suffer breakage/fracture
 whatsoever, whilst the second says it's extremely fragile and should only
be laid underground where it will be totally stable over its length. Over
to you.

TeaTeaFN - Tony

On Sat, Oct 26, 2019 at 10:02 AM Graeme Wall via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
wrote:

> More Than - everone else!  I was with LV, they seemed pretty reasonable.
> ?
> Graeme Wall
>
>
> > On 26 Oct 2019, at 08:50, Geoff Fletcher via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> wrote:
> >
> > I too left More Than - for Aviva in my case. Saved ?320 last year.
> Pleased to find that my premium had remained the same this year rather than
> being hugely hiked up as previously.
> > Geoff F
> >
> > On Fri, 25 Oct 2019 at 15:12, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <
> tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> > In article <77a34382-4c37-7235-218c-b5818230556e at gmail.com>,
> >    Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> > > Just keep moving on
> >
> > It seems to me an odd business model. Even more so with, say, car
> > insurance. They take on a new risk at a discount while knowing full well
> > existing customers (better known risks) will be upset by this.
> >
> > I've just changed from More Than to Direct Line and saved ?300. Couldn't
> > get as good a deal by using the comparative websites. Perhaps they have
> > outlived their usefulness?
> >
> > ML had tried to increased my premium by more than the rate of inflation,
> > after being with them for 4 years. Why I decided to look around.
> >
> > --
> > *It was all so different before everything changed.
> >
> >     Dave Plowman     dave at davesound.co.uk     London SW 12
> >
> >
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From teateatone2 at gmail.com  Sun Oct 27 12:01:16 2019
From: teateatone2 at gmail.com (Tony Grant)
Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2019 17:01:16 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Sartorial elegance
Message-ID: <CAEMv0RNy5zuCnPygwcoABcmUjdFtZqfUj1ay2M9m38VeXEfV0Q@mail.gmail.com>

Boy, I've missed the chance to ask questions for too long, so - two or
three years ago I got fed up wearing jeans and cords and on looking around
bought a pair of chinos. They looked good, felt comfortable and so I bought
another few pairs in different colours. Very nice, smart casual, I was well
pleased whilst they were new - BUT - after about half a dozen washes, and
wearing on an everyday basis, they looked incredibly worn and faded. Now
that look may be fine for jeans, but I want the smart but casual trousers
to remain that way for much longer. I've bought another couple of pairs of
jeans in the meantime, but has anyone got any better ideas?

TeaTeaFN - Tony
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From ian.norman at armoor.co.uk  Sun Oct 27 14:54:57 2019
From: ian.norman at armoor.co.uk (ian.norman at armoor.co.uk)
Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2019 19:54:57 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Tea Bar chat
In-Reply-To: <CAEMv0RM05QNSxfY7rr2sAtP_U1cogDx0wp+mK7oRzKctgS7SBg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5db1f939.1c69fb81.748fa.6888@mx.google.com>
	<77a34382-4c37-7235-218c-b5818230556e@gmail.com>
	<580885efc1dave@davesound.co.uk>
	<CAB99AB_rKGfUd-viPv_86x=3Gthbj0p=6SU69zd0nGsyF1hCGg@mail.gmail.com>
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	<CAEMv0RM05QNSxfY7rr2sAtP_U1cogDx0wp+mK7oRzKctgS7SBg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2b767050-e86a-5fb5-9e88-b85817fd1fc7@armoor.plus.com>

Dear Tony,

An Openreach engineer recently told me the overhead cable is a fibre 
roughly the diameter of a human hair and wrapped in a significant 
coating of kevlar (as used in bullet proof vest).  He seemed to think it 
could withstand most things.

I'm very keen to switch if/when it becomes available in this area as 
I've lost count of the modems/routers etc that have died as a result of 
lightning storms.


Hope that helps

Ian Norman

Email: mailto:ian.norman at armoor.co.uk
Telephone: 01643 888181

On 27/10/2019 16:54, Tony Grant via Tech1 wrote:
> What's all this? In my absence someone has seen fit to initiate a tea 
> bar? Well, heck, blow and spit, I'm getting on this particular band 
> wagon straight away. Funnily enough, whilst I was computer-less I 
> renegotiated my broadband deal with John Lewis, but decided not to go 
> for fibre just yet, seeing as it's still copper to the house. However, 
> my question for the resident experts here, since Open Reach have been 
> installing 'overhead fibre' all round our area, meaning they've strung 
> miles of cable from existing telegraph posts:
> 
> Is the 'free-range' fibre cable sufficiently robust to withstand the 
> sort of Snowdonia weather we get on a frequent basis?
> 
> I ask since I've had two opposing views on the matter already, one 
> saying that fibre is completely flexible and won't suffer 
> breakage/fracture ?whatsoever, whilst the second says it's extremely 
> fragile and should only be laid underground where it will be totally 
> stable over its length. Over to you.
> 
> TeaTeaFN - Tony
> 
> On Sat, Oct 26, 2019 at 10:02 AM Graeme Wall via Tech1 
> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:
> 
>     More Than - everone else!? I was with LV, they seemed pretty reasonable.
>     ?
>     Graeme Wall
> 
> 
>      > On 26 Oct 2019, at 08:50, Geoff Fletcher via Tech1
>     <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:
>      >
>      > I too left More Than - for Aviva in my case. Saved ?320 last
>     year. Pleased to find that my premium had remained the same this
>     year rather than being hugely hiked up as previously.
>      > Geoff F
>      >
>      > On Fri, 25 Oct 2019 at 15:12, Dave Plowman via Tech1
>     <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:
>      > In article <77a34382-4c37-7235-218c-b5818230556e at gmail.com
>     <mailto:77a34382-4c37-7235-218c-b5818230556e at gmail.com>>,
>      >? ? Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>     <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:
>      > > Just keep moving on
>      >
>      > It seems to me an odd business model. Even more so with, say, car
>      > insurance. They take on a new risk at a discount while knowing
>     full well
>      > existing customers (better known risks) will be upset by this.
>      >
>      > I've just changed from More Than to Direct Line and saved ?300.
>     Couldn't
>      > get as good a deal by using the comparative websites. Perhaps
>     they have
>      > outlived their usefulness?
>      >
>      > ML had tried to increased my premium by more than the rate of
>     inflation,
>      > after being with them for 4 years. Why I decided to look around.
>      >
>      > --
>      > *It was all so different before everything changed.
>      >
>      >? ? ?Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk
>     <mailto:dave at davesound.co.uk>? ? ?London SW 12
>      >
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From neil at dormand.eclipse.co.uk  Sun Oct 27 14:59:18 2019
From: neil at dormand.eclipse.co.uk (Neil Dormand)
Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2019 19:59:18 -0000
Subject: [Tech1] Tea Bar chat
In-Reply-To: <CAEMv0RM05QNSxfY7rr2sAtP_U1cogDx0wp+mK7oRzKctgS7SBg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5db1f939.1c69fb81.748fa.6888@mx.google.com>	<77a34382-4c37-7235-218c-b5818230556e@gmail.com>	<580885efc1dave@davesound.co.uk>	<CAB99AB_rKGfUd-viPv_86x=3Gthbj0p=6SU69zd0nGsyF1hCGg@mail.gmail.com>	<37E51987-3B6F-4E0F-90D4-ED0045F41B8D@icloud.com>
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Tony

 

Fibre cable has been used overhead on electricity pylons since the 1980s. Actual fibres are well protected in high tensile strength sheaves which take the mechanical tension. The most likely cause of failure apparently is a vehicle colliding with a pole.   

 

Neil

 

 

From: Tech1 [mailto:tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk] On Behalf Of Tony Grant via Tech1
Sent: 27 October 2019 16:54
Cc: Tech ops
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Tea Bar chat

 

What's all this? In my absence someone has seen fit to initiate a tea bar? Well, heck, blow and spit, I'm getting on this particular band wagon straight away. Funnily enough, whilst I was computer-less I renegotiated my broadband deal with John Lewis, but decided not to go for fibre just yet, seeing as it's still copper to the house. However, my question for the resident experts here, since Open Reach have been installing 'overhead fibre' all round our area, meaning they've strung miles of cable from existing telegraph posts:

 

Is the 'free-range' fibre cable sufficiently robust to withstand the sort of Snowdonia weather we get on a frequent basis?

 

I ask since I've had two opposing views on the matter already, one saying that fibre is completely flexible and won't suffer breakage/fracture  whatsoever, whilst the second says it's extremely fragile and should only be laid underground where it will be totally stable over its length. Over to you.

 

TeaTeaFN - Tony

 

On Sat, Oct 26, 2019 at 10:02 AM Graeme Wall via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

More Than - everone else!  I was with LV, they seemed pretty reasonable.
? 
Graeme Wall


> On 26 Oct 2019, at 08:50, Geoff Fletcher via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> I too left More Than - for Aviva in my case. Saved ?320 last year. Pleased to find that my premium had remained the same this year rather than being hugely hiked up as previously.
> Geoff F
> 
> On Fri, 25 Oct 2019 at 15:12, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <77a34382-4c37-7235-218c-b5818230556e at gmail.com>,
>    Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> > Just keep moving on
> 
> It seems to me an odd business model. Even more so with, say, car
> insurance. They take on a new risk at a discount while knowing full well
> existing customers (better known risks) will be upset by this.
> 
> I've just changed from More Than to Direct Line and saved ?300. Couldn't
> get as good a deal by using the comparative websites. Perhaps they have
> outlived their usefulness?
> 
> ML had tried to increased my premium by more than the rate of inflation,
> after being with them for 4 years. Why I decided to look around.
> 
> -- 
> *It was all so different before everything changed.
> 
>     Dave Plowman     dave at davesound.co.uk     London SW 12
> 
> 
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From teateatone2 at gmail.com  Sun Oct 27 15:10:31 2019
From: teateatone2 at gmail.com (Tony Grant)
Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2019 20:10:31 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Tea Bar chat
In-Reply-To: <2b767050-e86a-5fb5-9e88-b85817fd1fc7@armoor.plus.com>
References: <5db1f939.1c69fb81.748fa.6888@mx.google.com>
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	<580885efc1dave@davesound.co.uk>
	<CAB99AB_rKGfUd-viPv_86x=3Gthbj0p=6SU69zd0nGsyF1hCGg@mail.gmail.com>
	<37E51987-3B6F-4E0F-90D4-ED0045F41B8D@icloud.com>
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	<2b767050-e86a-5fb5-9e88-b85817fd1fc7@armoor.plus.com>
Message-ID: <CAEMv0RM9HzvD=5wWC4BwWU8Y-2-Dg6zYD_YEvZgS-dj4TLkOzQ@mail.gmail.com>

Interesting what you say about lightening destroying routers, I'd no idea
it was too serious, although I always turned mine off if a storm was in the
offing.  However I was told by my computer guru that even if it's still
plugged into the BT socket, there can be enough zap down the phone line to
destroy it even though it's switched off. Now I turn off and unplug just to
be certain. So I hope your Openreach engineer is right, and that they pull
their fingers out soon around here so there's a reasonable chance I can get
connected before the weather gets even worse.

TeaTeaFN - Tony

On Sun, Oct 27, 2019 at 7:55 PM ian.norman--- via Tech1 <
tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

> Dear Tony,
>
> An Openreach engineer recently told me the overhead cable is a fibre
> roughly the diameter of a human hair and wrapped in a significant
> coating of kevlar (as used in bullet proof vest).  He seemed to think it
> could withstand most things.
>
> I'm very keen to switch if/when it becomes available in this area as
> I've lost count of the modems/routers etc that have died as a result of
> lightning storms.
>
>
> Hope that helps
>
> Ian Norman
>
> Email: mailto:ian.norman at armoor.co.uk
> Telephone: 01643 888181
>
> On 27/10/2019 16:54, Tony Grant via Tech1 wrote:
> > What's all this? In my absence someone has seen fit to initiate a tea
> > bar? Well, heck, blow and spit, I'm getting on this particular band
> > wagon straight away. Funnily enough, whilst I was computer-less I
> > renegotiated my broadband deal with John Lewis, but decided not to go
> > for fibre just yet, seeing as it's still copper to the house. However,
> > my question for the resident experts here, since Open Reach have been
> > installing 'overhead fibre' all round our area, meaning they've strung
> > miles of cable from existing telegraph posts:
> >
> > Is the 'free-range' fibre cable sufficiently robust to withstand the
> > sort of Snowdonia weather we get on a frequent basis?
> >
> > I ask since I've had two opposing views on the matter already, one
> > saying that fibre is completely flexible and won't suffer
> > breakage/fracture  whatsoever, whilst the second says it's extremely
> > fragile and should only be laid underground where it will be totally
> > stable over its length. Over to you.
> >
> > TeaTeaFN - Tony
> >
> > On Sat, Oct 26, 2019 at 10:02 AM Graeme Wall via Tech1
> > <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:
> >
> >     More Than - everone else!  I was with LV, they seemed pretty
> reasonable.
> >     ?
> >     Graeme Wall
> >
> >
> >      > On 26 Oct 2019, at 08:50, Geoff Fletcher via Tech1
> >     <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:
> >      >
> >      > I too left More Than - for Aviva in my case. Saved ?320 last
> >     year. Pleased to find that my premium had remained the same this
> >     year rather than being hugely hiked up as previously.
> >      > Geoff F
> >      >
> >      > On Fri, 25 Oct 2019 at 15:12, Dave Plowman via Tech1
> >     <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:
> >      > In article <77a34382-4c37-7235-218c-b5818230556e at gmail.com
> >     <mailto:77a34382-4c37-7235-218c-b5818230556e at gmail.com>>,
> >      >    Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> >     <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:
> >      > > Just keep moving on
> >      >
> >      > It seems to me an odd business model. Even more so with, say, car
> >      > insurance. They take on a new risk at a discount while knowing
> >     full well
> >      > existing customers (better known risks) will be upset by this.
> >      >
> >      > I've just changed from More Than to Direct Line and saved ?300.
> >     Couldn't
> >      > get as good a deal by using the comparative websites. Perhaps
> >     they have
> >      > outlived their usefulness?
> >      >
> >      > ML had tried to increased my premium by more than the rate of
> >     inflation,
> >      > after being with them for 4 years. Why I decided to look around.
> >      >
> >      > --
> >      > *It was all so different before everything changed.
> >      >
> >      >     Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk
> >     <mailto:dave at davesound.co.uk>     London SW 12
> >      >
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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Sun Oct 27 16:09:26 2019
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2019 21:09:26 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Tea Bar chat
In-Reply-To: <CAEMv0RM9HzvD=5wWC4BwWU8Y-2-Dg6zYD_YEvZgS-dj4TLkOzQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5db1f939.1c69fb81.748fa.6888@mx.google.com>
	<77a34382-4c37-7235-218c-b5818230556e@gmail.com>
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	<CAB99AB_rKGfUd-viPv_86x=3Gthbj0p=6SU69zd0nGsyF1hCGg@mail.gmail.com>
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Luckily both the router and the cables will belong to the company, so if 
they break you can get them fixed for free.

Copper to the house is normal for pretty much everyone as yet. We have 
Virgin which is fibre to the box and copper to the house and get 150Mbs. 
At LTFC (https://what3words.com/trains.blur.belt) , on Plusnet, we get 
about 30Mbs - at the wrong end of a dodgy copper cable running under an 
muddy track with the box 500m away.

I'm sure you hold the copyright on Tea Bar Chat from the forum years 
ago. You should probably sue Pat for lots of money

B




On 27/10/2019 20:10, Tony Grant via Tech1 wrote:
> Interesting what you say about lightening destroying routers, I'd no 
> idea it was too serious, although I always turned mine off if a storm 
> was in the offing.? However I was told by my computer guru that even 
> if it's still plugged into the BT socket, there can be enough zap down 
> the phone line to destroy it even though it's switched off. Now I turn 
> off and unplug just to be certain. So I hope your Openreach engineer 
> is right, and that they pull their fingers out soon around here so 
> there's a reasonable chance I can get connected before the weather 
> gets even worse.
>
> TeaTeaFN - Tony
>
> On Sun, Oct 27, 2019 at 7:55 PM ian.norman--- via Tech1 
> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:
>
>     Dear Tony,
>
>     An Openreach engineer recently told me the overhead cable is a fibre
>     roughly the diameter of a human hair and wrapped in a significant
>     coating of kevlar (as used in bullet proof vest).? He seemed to
>     think it
>     could withstand most things.
>
>     I'm very keen to switch if/when it becomes available in this area as
>     I've lost count of the modems/routers etc that have died as a
>     result of
>     lightning storms.
>
>
>     Hope that helps
>
>     Ian Norman
>
>     Email: mailto:ian.norman at armoor.co.uk <mailto:ian.norman at armoor.co.uk>
>     Telephone: 01643 888181
>
>     On 27/10/2019 16:54, Tony Grant via Tech1 wrote:
>     > What's all this? In my absence someone has seen fit to initiate
>     a tea
>     > bar? Well, heck, blow and spit, I'm getting on this particular band
>     > wagon straight away. Funnily enough, whilst I was computer-less I
>     > renegotiated my broadband deal with John Lewis, but decided not
>     to go
>     > for fibre just yet, seeing as it's still copper to the house.
>     However,
>     > my question for the resident experts here, since Open Reach have
>     been
>     > installing 'overhead fibre' all round our area, meaning they've
>     strung
>     > miles of cable from existing telegraph posts:
>     >
>     > Is the 'free-range' fibre cable sufficiently robust to withstand
>     the
>     > sort of Snowdonia weather we get on a frequent basis?
>     >
>     > I ask since I've had two opposing views on the matter already, one
>     > saying that fibre is completely flexible and won't suffer
>     > breakage/fracture ?whatsoever, whilst the second says it's
>     extremely
>     > fragile and should only be laid underground where it will be
>     totally
>     > stable over its length. Over to you.
>     >
>     > TeaTeaFN - Tony
>     >
>     > On Sat, Oct 26, 2019 at 10:02 AM Graeme Wall via Tech1
>     > <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
>     <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>>> wrote:
>     >
>     >? ? ?More Than - everone else!? I was with LV, they seemed pretty
>     reasonable.
>     >? ? ??
>     >? ? ?Graeme Wall
>     >
>     >
>     >? ? ? > On 26 Oct 2019, at 08:50, Geoff Fletcher via Tech1
>     >? ? ?<tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
>     <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>>> wrote:
>     >? ? ? >
>     >? ? ? > I too left More Than - for Aviva in my case. Saved ?320 last
>     >? ? ?year. Pleased to find that my premium had remained the same this
>     >? ? ?year rather than being hugely hiked up as previously.
>     >? ? ? > Geoff F
>     >? ? ? >
>     >? ? ? > On Fri, 25 Oct 2019 at 15:12, Dave Plowman via Tech1
>     >? ? ?<tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
>     <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>>> wrote:
>     >? ? ? > In article
>     <77a34382-4c37-7235-218c-b5818230556e at gmail.com
>     <mailto:77a34382-4c37-7235-218c-b5818230556e at gmail.com>
>     >? ? ?<mailto:77a34382-4c37-7235-218c-b5818230556e at gmail.com
>     <mailto:77a34382-4c37-7235-218c-b5818230556e at gmail.com>>>,
>     >? ? ? >? ? Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>     <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
>     >? ? ?<mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>>>
>     wrote:
>     >? ? ? > > Just keep moving on
>     >? ? ? >
>     >? ? ? > It seems to me an odd business model. Even more so with,
>     say, car
>     >? ? ? > insurance. They take on a new risk at a discount while
>     knowing
>     >? ? ?full well
>     >? ? ? > existing customers (better known risks) will be upset by
>     this.
>     >? ? ? >
>     >? ? ? > I've just changed from More Than to Direct Line and saved
>     ?300.
>     >? ? ?Couldn't
>     >? ? ? > get as good a deal by using the comparative websites. Perhaps
>     >? ? ?they have
>     >? ? ? > outlived their usefulness?
>     >? ? ? >
>     >? ? ? > ML had tried to increased my premium by more than the rate of
>     >? ? ?inflation,
>     >? ? ? > after being with them for 4 years. Why I decided to look
>     around.
>     >? ? ? >
>     >? ? ? > --
>     >? ? ? > *It was all so different before everything changed.
>     >? ? ? >
>     >? ? ? >? ? ?Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk
>     <mailto:dave at davesound.co.uk>
>     >? ? ?<mailto:dave at davesound.co.uk <mailto:dave at davesound.co.uk>>
>     ? ?London SW 12
>     >? ? ? >
>     >? ? ? >
>     >? ? ? > --
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>     >? ? ? > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Sun Oct 27 16:09:46 2019
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2019 21:09:46 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Tea Bar chat
In-Reply-To: <CAEMv0RM9HzvD=5wWC4BwWU8Y-2-Dg6zYD_YEvZgS-dj4TLkOzQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5db1f939.1c69fb81.748fa.6888@mx.google.com>
	<77a34382-4c37-7235-218c-b5818230556e@gmail.com>
	<580885efc1dave@davesound.co.uk>
	<CAB99AB_rKGfUd-viPv_86x=3Gthbj0p=6SU69zd0nGsyF1hCGg@mail.gmail.com>
	<37E51987-3B6F-4E0F-90D4-ED0045F41B8D@icloud.com>
	<CAEMv0RM05QNSxfY7rr2sAtP_U1cogDx0wp+mK7oRzKctgS7SBg@mail.gmail.com>
	<2b767050-e86a-5fb5-9e88-b85817fd1fc7@armoor.plus.com>
	<CAEMv0RM9HzvD=5wWC4BwWU8Y-2-Dg6zYD_YEvZgS-dj4TLkOzQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <de54056e-9b8a-f720-f5d3-5e1bbe57e577@gmail.com>

Luckily both the router and the cables will belong to the company, so if 
they break you can get them fixed for free.

Copper to the house is normal for pretty much everyone as yet. We have 
Virgin which is fibre to the box and copper to the house and get 150Mbs. 
At LTFC (https://what3words.com/trains.blur.belt) , on Plusnet, we get 
about 30Mbs - at the wrong end of a dodgy copper cable running under an 
muddy track with the box 500m away.

I'm sure you hold the copyright on Tea Bar Chat from the forum years 
ago. You should probably sue Pat for lots of money

B




On 27/10/2019 20:10, Tony Grant via Tech1 wrote:
> Interesting what you say about lightening destroying routers, I'd no 
> idea it was too serious, although I always turned mine off if a storm 
> was in the offing.? However I was told by my computer guru that even 
> if it's still plugged into the BT socket, there can be enough zap down 
> the phone line to destroy it even though it's switched off. Now I turn 
> off and unplug just to be certain. So I hope your Openreach engineer 
> is right, and that they pull their fingers out soon around here so 
> there's a reasonable chance I can get connected before the weather 
> gets even worse.
>
> TeaTeaFN - Tony
>
> On Sun, Oct 27, 2019 at 7:55 PM ian.norman--- via Tech1 
> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:
>
>     Dear Tony,
>
>     An Openreach engineer recently told me the overhead cable is a fibre
>     roughly the diameter of a human hair and wrapped in a significant
>     coating of kevlar (as used in bullet proof vest).? He seemed to
>     think it
>     could withstand most things.
>
>     I'm very keen to switch if/when it becomes available in this area as
>     I've lost count of the modems/routers etc that have died as a
>     result of
>     lightning storms.
>
>
>     Hope that helps
>
>     Ian Norman
>
>     Email: mailto:ian.norman at armoor.co.uk <mailto:ian.norman at armoor.co.uk>
>     Telephone: 01643 888181
>
>     On 27/10/2019 16:54, Tony Grant via Tech1 wrote:
>     > What's all this? In my absence someone has seen fit to initiate
>     a tea
>     > bar? Well, heck, blow and spit, I'm getting on this particular band
>     > wagon straight away. Funnily enough, whilst I was computer-less I
>     > renegotiated my broadband deal with John Lewis, but decided not
>     to go
>     > for fibre just yet, seeing as it's still copper to the house.
>     However,
>     > my question for the resident experts here, since Open Reach have
>     been
>     > installing 'overhead fibre' all round our area, meaning they've
>     strung
>     > miles of cable from existing telegraph posts:
>     >
>     > Is the 'free-range' fibre cable sufficiently robust to withstand
>     the
>     > sort of Snowdonia weather we get on a frequent basis?
>     >
>     > I ask since I've had two opposing views on the matter already, one
>     > saying that fibre is completely flexible and won't suffer
>     > breakage/fracture ?whatsoever, whilst the second says it's
>     extremely
>     > fragile and should only be laid underground where it will be
>     totally
>     > stable over its length. Over to you.
>     >
>     > TeaTeaFN - Tony
>     >
>     > On Sat, Oct 26, 2019 at 10:02 AM Graeme Wall via Tech1
>     > <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
>     <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>>> wrote:
>     >
>     >? ? ?More Than - everone else!? I was with LV, they seemed pretty
>     reasonable.
>     >? ? ??
>     >? ? ?Graeme Wall
>     >
>     >
>     >? ? ? > On 26 Oct 2019, at 08:50, Geoff Fletcher via Tech1
>     >? ? ?<tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
>     <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>>> wrote:
>     >? ? ? >
>     >? ? ? > I too left More Than - for Aviva in my case. Saved ?320 last
>     >? ? ?year. Pleased to find that my premium had remained the same this
>     >? ? ?year rather than being hugely hiked up as previously.
>     >? ? ? > Geoff F
>     >? ? ? >
>     >? ? ? > On Fri, 25 Oct 2019 at 15:12, Dave Plowman via Tech1
>     >? ? ?<tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
>     <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>>> wrote:
>     >? ? ? > In article
>     <77a34382-4c37-7235-218c-b5818230556e at gmail.com
>     <mailto:77a34382-4c37-7235-218c-b5818230556e at gmail.com>
>     >? ? ?<mailto:77a34382-4c37-7235-218c-b5818230556e at gmail.com
>     <mailto:77a34382-4c37-7235-218c-b5818230556e at gmail.com>>>,
>     >? ? ? >? ? Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>     <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
>     >? ? ?<mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>>>
>     wrote:
>     >? ? ? > > Just keep moving on
>     >? ? ? >
>     >? ? ? > It seems to me an odd business model. Even more so with,
>     say, car
>     >? ? ? > insurance. They take on a new risk at a discount while
>     knowing
>     >? ? ?full well
>     >? ? ? > existing customers (better known risks) will be upset by
>     this.
>     >? ? ? >
>     >? ? ? > I've just changed from More Than to Direct Line and saved
>     ?300.
>     >? ? ?Couldn't
>     >? ? ? > get as good a deal by using the comparative websites. Perhaps
>     >? ? ?they have
>     >? ? ? > outlived their usefulness?
>     >? ? ? >
>     >? ? ? > ML had tried to increased my premium by more than the rate of
>     >? ? ?inflation,
>     >? ? ? > after being with them for 4 years. Why I decided to look
>     around.
>     >? ? ? >
>     >? ? ? > --
>     >? ? ? > *It was all so different before everything changed.
>     >? ? ? >
>     >? ? ? >? ? ?Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk
>     <mailto:dave at davesound.co.uk>
>     >? ? ?<mailto:dave at davesound.co.uk <mailto:dave at davesound.co.uk>>
>     ? ?London SW 12
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From alanaudio at me.com  Sun Oct 27 21:42:18 2019
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2019 02:42:18 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Tea Bar chat
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	<CAB99AB_rKGfUd-viPv_86x=3Gthbj0p=6SU69zd0nGsyF1hCGg@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <758F0225-5850-469F-935D-3CEE34FDF6D5@me.com>

As far as the durability of Fibre is concerned, we use lots of fibre cabling on OBs, in much the same way as multicore audio, camera cables, and bundles of video cables used to be used. I've yet to encounter a faulty cable, even though the riggers aren't overly kind in their treatment of the fibre cables.  Every fault fibre problem I've met with has been with the connection at the end, not the cable.  I would think that fibre would be as durable as copper and the connector issues would not arise as it's only connected once and then is left alone and therefore won't get dirty.

At the house where I used to live a few years ago, there was a lot of disruption while a  company was digging up the pavement and installing ducts.  I asked one of the workmen what they were installing and he explained that it was "Optional Fibre".

Alan Taylor



On 27 Oct 2019, at 27 Oct . 16:54, Tony Grant via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

> What's all this? In my absence someone has seen fit to initiate a tea bar? Well, heck, blow and spit, I'm getting on this particular band wagon straight away. Funnily enough, whilst I was computer-less I renegotiated my broadband deal with John Lewis, but decided not to go for fibre just yet, seeing as it's still copper to the house. However, my question for the resident experts here, since Open Reach have been installing 'overhead fibre' all round our area, meaning they've strung miles of cable from existing telegraph posts:
> 
> Is the 'free-range' fibre cable sufficiently robust to withstand the sort of Snowdonia weather we get on a frequent basis?
> 
> I ask since I've had two opposing views on the matter already, one saying that fibre is completely flexible and won't suffer breakage/fracture  whatsoever, whilst the second says it's extremely fragile and should only be laid underground where it will be totally stable over its length. Over to you.
> 
> TeaTeaFN - Tony
> 
> On Sat, Oct 26, 2019 at 10:02 AM Graeme Wall via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> More Than - everone else!  I was with LV, they seemed pretty reasonable.
> ? 
> Graeme Wall
> 
> 
> > On 26 Oct 2019, at 08:50, Geoff Fletcher via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> > 
> > I too left More Than - for Aviva in my case. Saved ?320 last year. Pleased to find that my premium had remained the same this year rather than being hugely hiked up as previously.
> > Geoff F
> > 
> > On Fri, 25 Oct 2019 at 15:12, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> > In article <77a34382-4c37-7235-218c-b5818230556e at gmail.com>,
> >    Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> > > Just keep moving on
> > 
> > It seems to me an odd business model. Even more so with, say, car
> > insurance. They take on a new risk at a discount while knowing full well
> > existing customers (better known risks) will be upset by this.
> > 
> > I've just changed from More Than to Direct Line and saved ?300. Couldn't
> > get as good a deal by using the comparative websites. Perhaps they have
> > outlived their usefulness?
> > 
> > ML had tried to increased my premium by more than the rate of inflation,
> > after being with them for 4 years. Why I decided to look around.
> > 
> > -- 
> > *It was all so different before everything changed.
> > 
> >     Dave Plowman     dave at davesound.co.uk     London SW 12
> > 
> > 
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From alanaudio at me.com  Sun Oct 27 21:46:23 2019
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2019 02:46:23 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Sartorial elegance
In-Reply-To: <CAEMv0RNy5zuCnPygwcoABcmUjdFtZqfUj1ay2M9m38VeXEfV0Q@mail.gmail.com>
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I've got a smart phone, but think a casual phone would be a better match for my fashion sense.

Alan Taylor


On 27 Oct 2019, at 27 Oct . 17:01, Tony Grant via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

> Boy, I've missed the chance to ask questions for too long, so - two or three years ago I got fed up wearing jeans and cords and on looking around bought a pair of chinos. They looked good, felt comfortable and so I bought another few pairs in different colours. Very nice, smart casual, I was well pleased whilst they were new - BUT - after about half a dozen washes, and wearing on an everyday basis, they looked incredibly worn and faded. Now that look may be fine for jeans, but I want the smart but casual trousers to remain that way for much longer. I've bought another couple of pairs of jeans in the meantime, but has anyone got any better ideas?
> 
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From mibridge at mac.com  Mon Oct 28 02:45:26 2019
From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles)
Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2019 07:45:26 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Tea Bar chat
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 I a uppose your man was right, Alan - you don?t have to use it!

Mike G

> On 28 Oct 2019, at 02:42, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?As far as the durability of Fibre is concerned, we use lots of fibre cabling on OBs, in much the same way as multicore audio, camera cables, and bundles of video cables used to be used. I've yet to encounter a faulty cable, even though the riggers aren't overly kind in their treatment of the fibre cables.  Every fault fibre problem I've met with has been with the connection at the end, not the cable.  I would think that fibre would be as durable as copper and the connector issues would not arise as it's only connected once and then is left alone and therefore won't get dirty.
> 
> At the house where I used to live a few years ago, there was a lot of disruption while a  company was digging up the pavement and installing ducts.  I asked one of the workmen what they were installing and he explained that it was "Optional Fibre".
> 
> Alan Taylor
> 
> 
> 
>> On 27 Oct 2019, at 27 Oct . 16:54, Tony Grant via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> What's all this? In my absence someone has seen fit to initiate a tea bar? Well, heck, blow and spit, I'm getting on this particular band wagon straight away. Funnily enough, whilst I was computer-less I renegotiated my broadband deal with John Lewis, but decided not to go for fibre just yet, seeing as it's still copper to the house. However, my question for the resident experts here, since Open Reach have been installing 'overhead fibre' all round our area, meaning they've strung miles of cable from existing telegraph posts:
>> 
>> Is the 'free-range' fibre cable sufficiently robust to withstand the sort of Snowdonia weather we get on a frequent basis?
>> 
>> I ask since I've had two opposing views on the matter already, one saying that fibre is completely flexible and won't suffer breakage/fracture  whatsoever, whilst the second says it's extremely fragile and should only be laid underground where it will be totally stable over its length. Over to you.
>> 
>> TeaTeaFN - Tony
>> 
>>> On Sat, Oct 26, 2019 at 10:02 AM Graeme Wall via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> More Than - everone else!  I was with LV, they seemed pretty reasonable.
>>> ? 
>>> Graeme Wall
>>> 
>>> 
>>> > On 26 Oct 2019, at 08:50, Geoff Fletcher via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> > 
>>> > I too left More Than - for Aviva in my case. Saved ?320 last year. Pleased to find that my premium had remained the same this year rather than being hugely hiked up as previously.
>>> > Geoff F
>>> > 
>>> > On Fri, 25 Oct 2019 at 15:12, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> > In article <77a34382-4c37-7235-218c-b5818230556e at gmail.com>,
>>> >    Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> > > Just keep moving on
>>> > 
>>> > It seems to me an odd business model. Even more so with, say, car
>>> > insurance. They take on a new risk at a discount while knowing full well
>>> > existing customers (better known risks) will be upset by this.
>>> > 
>>> > I've just changed from More Than to Direct Line and saved ?300. Couldn't
>>> > get as good a deal by using the comparative websites. Perhaps they have
>>> > outlived their usefulness?
>>> > 
>>> > ML had tried to increased my premium by more than the rate of inflation,
>>> > after being with them for 4 years. Why I decided to look around.
>>> > 
>>> > -- 
>>> > *It was all so different before everything changed.
>>> > 
>>> >     Dave Plowman     dave at davesound.co.uk     London SW 12
>>> > 
>>> > 
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Mon Oct 28 06:06:07 2019
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2019 11:06:07 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Tea Bar chat
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I love the mangling of the proper words!
I am reminded that sparks and gaffers call the small wooden platforms used to level up tracks/lighting stands etc: ?paganinis?. This was picked up from Italian technicians who called them ?paninis? (a slice of bread).

In Switzerland, at the time when fondue was popular, the sparks on our production would announce that they were going for a ?fondle? that evening!

Wonder from where Ronnie Barker got his inspiration for his clever wordplay sketches?
Pat

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From: Alan Taylor via Tech1
Sent: 28 October 2019 02:42
To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Tea Bar chat


At the house where I used to live a few years ago, there was a lot of disruption while a ?company was digging up the pavement and installing ducts. ?I asked one of the workmen what they were installing and he explained that it was "Optional Fibre".

Alan Taylor






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From dave at davesound.co.uk  Mon Oct 28 06:12:35 2019
From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman)
Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2019 11:12:35 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Tech1] Tea Bar chat
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Work story about that.

We'd been rostered to work on a Sunday on 'The Bill'. As we had a lot to
do in the yard outside the 'studio' - part of the set but also part of the
site so busy in the week. Sunday normally being an off day.

And that was the day they chose to run the fibre optic cables between the
nearby pylons. A very noisy petrol powered machine which wrapped it round
the steel strainer wire which runs between the plyons. Very very slowly.
;-)    




In article
<!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAGZqa+eRW5BPiUZNX5BsXSrCgAAAEAAAAIHQ39Ik3xhDka2DLP4RwpMBAAAAAA==@dormand.eclipse.co.uk>,
   Neil Dormand via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> Fibre cable has been used overhead on electricity pylons since the
> 1980s. Actual fibres are well protected in high tensile strength sheaves
> which take the mechanical tension. The most likely cause of failure
> apparently is a vehicle colliding with a pole.

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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Mon Oct 28 08:35:11 2019
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2019 13:35:11 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Sartorial elegance
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>From early photos of crews at TVC in the 60?s, we all used to turn up in collars & ties, sports jackets and smart trousers.
I?ve never worn jeans, but I can understand if one is on a messy location, they would be better.
I prefer to wear M & S shirts/trousers/sweaters, all look smart, and there have been occasions where evening dress
was required, or a suit if the job involved an i/v with a CEO of a large company, (or on one shoot with Cherie Blair at No.10).
If I didn?t use my own DJ, the production would pay to hire, or refund the cost of dry cleaning.
I once entertained the idea of having an evening dress suit custom tailored by Lester Bowden in Epsom, who outfit the racing
fraternity, but the tailor I saw, wondered how often I would need it, and whispered that I would be better off going to
M & S, one could pick a jacket to fit, and matching trousers to fit, off-the-peg. Good call!
Tony- I know you are off the beaten track, but M & S run a very good on-line service.
Working freelance, one must know the dress code for any job ? once I was sent to Portsmouth to cover an Arms
Exhibition, loads of top brass, bags of scrambled egg and sheiks in their robes. My poor cameraman thought he was going
to mess about on boats, and turned up in shorts and T-shirt! The production company were none too pleased, but they
should have warned him.
Best
Pat


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From: Tony Grant via Tech1
Sent: 27 October 2019 17:01
To: TechOps Forum
Subject: [Tech1] Sartorial elegance

but I want the smart but casual trousers to remain that way for much longer. I've bought another couple of pairs of jeans in the meantime, but has anyone got any better ideas?

TeaTeaFN - Tony



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From phider at gmx.com  Tue Oct 29 01:42:40 2019
From: phider at gmx.com (Peter Hider)
Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2019 07:42:40 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Rodney's photo
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From dave at davesound.co.uk  Tue Oct 29 08:43:55 2019
From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman)
Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2019 13:43:55 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Tech1] Sartorial elegance
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In article <5db6ee8e.1c69fb81.65ac9.da9e at mx.google.com>,
   patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> Working freelance, one must know the dress code for any job ? once I was
> sent to Portsmouth to cover an Arms Exhibition, loads of top brass, bags
> of scrambled egg and sheiks in their robes. My poor cameraman thought he
> was going to mess about on boats, and turned up in shorts and T-shirt!
> The production company were none too pleased, but they should have
> warned him.

And this is the problem with dressing in the way a random person decides
is correct.

Turning up to work with a rock band may not inspire confidence you
understand their thing.

Think the John Eden/Laurie Taylor arguments.

Perhaps they had it right in the early days - we'd all be wearing white
lab coats.

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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Tue Oct 29 08:57:43 2019
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2019 13:57:43 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Sartorial elegance
In-Reply-To: <580a933c3adave@davesound.co.uk>
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	<580a933c3adave@davesound.co.uk>
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Hi Dave,
What was the John-John/Laurie Taylor argument?
Did this raise it?s head after I had left, perhaps?
Pat

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From: Dave Plowman via Tech1
Sent: 29 October 2019 13:51
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Sartorial elegance


And this is the problem with dressing in the way a random person decides
is correct.
Think the John Eden/Laurie Taylor arguments.




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From waresound at msn.com  Tue Oct 29 15:51:31 2019
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2019 20:51:31 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Sartorial elegance
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References: <5db84556.1c69fb81.f6d6b.f5cc@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <VI1P192MB02715ED2CFC133A4001FAADEA7610@VI1P192MB0271.EURP192.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

John-John and The lovely Laurie Taylor are from different planets - that?s all you need to know!
Cheers,
Nick.

Sent from my iPad mini 5

On 29 Oct 2019, at 13:58, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

?
Hi Dave,
What was the John-John/Laurie Taylor argument?
Did this raise it?s head after I had left, perhaps?
Pat

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And this is the problem with dressing in the way a random person decides
is correct.
Think the John Eden/Laurie Taylor arguments.



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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Tue Oct 29 16:21:36 2019
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2019 21:21:36 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Mailing lists
Message-ID: <a270558c-7094-4d54-d6e7-483742370a6b@gmail.com>

Hi All

I just added OB cameraman Peter Hill to the lists, and rather sadly 
taken Rod off.

There are 238 members on the Tech1 list and 317 on the Announce list. Of 
course, I have no idea whether all the addresses are current, or even if 
everyone is still alive - you can't send an email and say "Let me know 
if you're not there". I wonder how many people are reading Tech1 daily 
and have never said anything at all.

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From crew13 at vincent68.plus.com  Wed Oct 30 07:05:26 2019
From: crew13 at vincent68.plus.com (John Vincent)
Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2019 12:05:26 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Theatre 625 Talking to a Stranger
Message-ID: <2292D1D0-772E-4ADA-A65F-E0B49AFF6762@vincent68.plus.com>

Last night I wanted to catch up with 'The Apprentice' (I know!).

Searching iPlayer I got as far as typing 'The'  and Theatre 625 'Talking to a Stranger' popped up. It was the first drama I worked on. I had to watch it

Shot in 1966 the first episode was a remarkable performance by a young Judi Dench. I was cable bashing Jim Atkinson. Others on the crew were Rod Taylor, Geoff Clarke and I think Garth Tucker.

The directing (Chris Mrahan) and camerawork are worth taking a look at. A wonderful example of the Golden Age of Television.

As usual at the time camera credits go to film dept for about 2 mins work in 90!

JV




From dave at davesound.co.uk  Wed Oct 30 08:36:00 2019
From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman)
Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2019 13:36:00 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Tech1] Theatre 625 Talking to a Stranger
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Message-ID: <580b16593edave@davesound.co.uk>

One of those plays that sticks in the mind. Wasn't it a trilogy?


In article <2292D1D0-772E-4ADA-A65F-E0B49AFF6762 at vincent68.plus.com>,
   John Vincent via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> Last night I wanted to catch up with 'The Apprentice' (I know!).

> Searching iPlayer I got as far as typing 'The'  and Theatre 625 'Talking
> to a Stranger' popped up. It was the first drama I worked on. I had to
> watch it

> Shot in 1966 the first episode was a remarkable performance by a young
> Judi Dench. I was cable bashing Jim Atkinson. Others on the crew were
> Rod Taylor, Geoff Clarke and I think Garth Tucker.

> The directing (Chris Mrahan) and camerawork are worth taking a look at.
> A wonderful example of the Golden Age of Television.

> As usual at the time camera credits go to film dept for about 2 mins
> work in 90!

> JV

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From davidvbrunt at gmail.com  Wed Oct 30 09:13:54 2019
From: davidvbrunt at gmail.com (David Brunt)
Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2019 14:13:54 -0000
Subject: [Tech1] Theatre 625 Talking to a Stranger
In-Reply-To: <580b16593edave@davesound.co.uk>
References: <2292D1D0-772E-4ADA-A65F-E0B49AFF6762@vincent68.plus.com>
	<580b16593edave@davesound.co.uk>
Message-ID: <DBA6013C80A84F9886C4CA16BE909FDD@AdminPC>

> One of those plays that sticks in the mind. Wasn't it a trilogy?

Quartet.

2nd - 23rd October 1966.


From phider at gmx.com  Wed Oct 30 09:33:31 2019
From: phider at gmx.com (Mr P.J.Hider)
Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2019 14:33:31 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Theatre 625 Talking to a Stranger
Message-ID: <bche4c90r3vuikgrgv0y1718.1572446011949@email.android.com>

Hi John

I'm glazed you found it John but you missed me off your crew 5 credits! 

Chris Morahan was a very demanding director and I remember helping the crane swinger to do a crash descent on the Mole when the mum, played by Marjorie Mason, committed suicide in the kitchen. We hit the ground so hard, the camera tube(s) flashed to black and the back wheels of the Mole lifted off the ground. It was a quartet of plays each of which told the same story from each family member's point of view.

The father was played by Maurice Denham and Judy Dench's brother by Peter Bryant.
It really was one of the pinnacles of that golden era.

Best
Peter Hider

From alanaudio at me.com  Wed Oct 30 09:34:40 2019
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2019 14:34:40 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Theatre 625 Talking to a Stranger
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Talking of credits ... A few years ago, Terry Wogan linked a series of  programmes featuring short films made by students and enthusiasts.  I thought it was very disrespectful that the show gave full credits to all those who worked on the links, but the short movies, which were the whole point of the programme and were probably shot by people working without a fee had nearly all of the credits cut.  These people were most likely trying to make a name for themselves in the industry and to remove their credits seemed grossly discourteous.  Those working on the links would have earned full industry rates, while the reward for those working on the actual films was supposed to be recognition, but they were deprived of any recognition during what was almost certainly the biggest audience for that film.

Alan Taylor




On 30 Oct 2019, at 30 Oct . 12:05, John Vincent via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

> Last night I wanted to catch up with 'The Apprentice' (I know!).
> 
> Searching iPlayer I got as far as typing 'The'  and Theatre 625 'Talking to a Stranger' popped up. It was the first drama I worked on. I had to watch it
> 
> Shot in 1966 the first episode was a remarkable performance by a young Judi Dench. I was cable bashing Jim Atkinson. Others on the crew were Rod Taylor, Geoff Clarke and I think Garth Tucker.
> 
> The directing (Chris Mrahan) and camerawork are worth taking a look at. A wonderful example of the Golden Age of Television.
> 
> As usual at the time camera credits go to film dept for about 2 mins work in 90!
> 
> JV
> 
> 
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From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net  Wed Oct 30 10:10:58 2019
From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt)
Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2019 15:10:58 -0000
Subject: [Tech1] Theatre 625 Talking to a Stranger
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Yes - it really is a shame about the prevailing attitude to credits at the 
time. The powers that be were dead against the idea and it somehow seems 
even more regrettable now when looking back on that 'golden era' that so 
much peerless work effectively went unremarked. A pat on the back in the 
club after the show doesn't really make up for the omission. It is nice 
though that this forum goes a long way to encourage appreciation of what was 
quietly achieved.

Dave Newbitt.

-----Original Message----- 
From: Alan Taylor via Tech1
Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2019 2:34 PM
To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Theatre 625 Talking to a Stranger

Talking of credits ... A few years ago, Terry Wogan linked a series of 
programmes featuring short films made by students and enthusiasts.  I 
thought it was very disrespectful that the show gave full credits to all 
those who worked on the links, but the short movies, which were the whole 
point of the programme and were probably shot by people working without a 
fee had nearly all of the credits cut.  These people were most likely trying 
to make a name for themselves in the industry and to remove their credits 
seemed grossly discourteous.  Those working on the links would have earned 
full industry rates, while the reward for those working on the actual films 
was supposed to be recognition, but they were deprived of any recognition 
during what was almost certainly the biggest audience for that film.

Alan Taylor




On 30 Oct 2019, at 30 Oct . 12:05, John Vincent via Tech1 
<tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

> Last night I wanted to catch up with 'The Apprentice' (I know!).
>
> Searching iPlayer I got as far as typing 'The'  and Theatre 625 'Talking 
> to a Stranger' popped up. It was the first drama I worked on. I had to 
> watch it
>
> Shot in 1966 the first episode was a remarkable performance by a young 
> Judi Dench. I was cable bashing Jim Atkinson. Others on the crew were Rod 
> Taylor, Geoff Clarke and I think Garth Tucker.
>
> The directing (Chris Mrahan) and camerawork are worth taking a look at. A 
> wonderful example of the Golden Age of Television.
>
> As usual at the time camera credits go to film dept for about 2 mins work 
> in 90!
>
> JV
>
>
>
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From alanaudio at me.com  Wed Oct 30 10:30:30 2019
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2019 15:30:30 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Theatre 625 Talking to a Stranger
In-Reply-To: <409B3F59EF2E47E8AE57BAE1ACCF1C1F@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>
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	<D4371C34-B009-4F71-BD43-6688FA23EE55@me.com>
	<409B3F59EF2E47E8AE57BAE1ACCF1C1F@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>
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In many ways the credits issue has got worse in recent years because continuity people shrink the frame and drastically drop the sound level once the credits are running so that they can show a graphic trailing what's coming up.  The habit of shrinking credits to 1/4 of the frame makes most of them illegible on a typical television.  It's the equivalent of getting up and rushing out of the cinema once the credits start running and I'm surprised that television continuity people can be so disrespectful towards other television people. 

The saving grace is that many of the more significant TV shows have entries in IMDB, where all crew can be credited, not just heads of departments and those credits are always available for anybody to see at any time. 

Alan Taylor




On 30 Oct 2019, at 30 Oct . 15:10, David Newbitt <dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net> wrote:

> Yes - it really is a shame about the prevailing attitude to credits at the time. The powers that be were dead against the idea and it somehow seems even more regrettable now when looking back on that 'golden era' that so much peerless work effectively went unremarked. A pat on the back in the club after the show doesn't really make up for the omission. It is nice though that this forum goes a long way to encourage appreciation of what was quietly achieved.
> 
> Dave Newbitt.
> 
> -----Original Message----- From: Alan Taylor via Tech1
> Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2019 2:34 PM
> To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat
> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Theatre 625 Talking to a Stranger
> 
> Talking of credits ... A few years ago, Terry Wogan linked a series of programmes featuring short films made by students and enthusiasts.  I thought it was very disrespectful that the show gave full credits to all those who worked on the links, but the short movies, which were the whole point of the programme and were probably shot by people working without a fee had nearly all of the credits cut.  These people were most likely trying to make a name for themselves in the industry and to remove their credits seemed grossly discourteous.  Those working on the links would have earned full industry rates, while the reward for those working on the actual films was supposed to be recognition, but they were deprived of any recognition during what was almost certainly the biggest audience for that film.
> 
> Alan Taylor
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 30 Oct 2019, at 30 Oct . 12:05, John Vincent via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
>> Last night I wanted to catch up with 'The Apprentice' (I know!).
>> 
>> Searching iPlayer I got as far as typing 'The'  and Theatre 625 'Talking to a Stranger' popped up. It was the first drama I worked on. I had to watch it
>> 
>> Shot in 1966 the first episode was a remarkable performance by a young Judi Dench. I was cable bashing Jim Atkinson. Others on the crew were Rod Taylor, Geoff Clarke and I think Garth Tucker.
>> 
>> The directing (Chris Mrahan) and camerawork are worth taking a look at. A wonderful example of the Golden Age of Television.
>> 
>> As usual at the time camera credits go to film dept for about 2 mins work in 90!
>> 
>> JV
>> 
>> 
>> 
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From alawrance1 at me.com  Wed Oct 30 11:10:55 2019
From: alawrance1 at me.com (Alasdair Lawrance)
Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2019 16:10:55 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Theatre 625 Talking to a Stranger
In-Reply-To: <F392B364-273E-45C3-865C-FF778B79AB9B@me.com>
References: <F392B364-273E-45C3-865C-FF778B79AB9B@me.com>
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If you have the patience, have a look at the credits of almost any outside commission on 1 or 2.
 
I would love some of these people to write a job description of exactly what they did to create the programme.

Alasdair Lawrance

Don?t blame me, I voted Remain.



> On 30 Oct 2019, at 15:35, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?In many ways the credits issue has got worse in recent years because continuity people shrink the frame and drastically drop the sound level once the credits are running so that they can show a graphic trailing what's coming up.  The habit of shrinking credits to 1/4 of the frame makes most of them illegible on a typical television.  It's the equivalent of getting up and rushing out of the cinema once the credits start running and I'm surprised that television continuity people can be so disrespectful towards other television people. 
> 
> The saving grace is that many of the more significant TV shows have entries in IMDB, where all crew can be credited, not just heads of departments and those credits are always available for anybody to see at any time. 
> 
> Alan Taylor
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On 30 Oct 2019, at 30 Oct . 15:10, David Newbitt <dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net> wrote:
>> 
>> Yes - it really is a shame about the prevailing attitude to credits at the time. The powers that be were dead against the idea and it somehow seems even more regrettable now when looking back on that 'golden era' that so much peerless work effectively went unremarked. A pat on the back in the club after the show doesn't really make up for the omission. It is nice though that this forum goes a long way to encourage appreciation of what was quietly achieved.
>> 
>> Dave Newbitt.
>> 
>> -----Original Message----- From: Alan Taylor via Tech1
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2019 2:34 PM
>> To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat
>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Theatre 625 Talking to a Stranger
>> 
>> Talking of credits ... A few years ago, Terry Wogan linked a series of programmes featuring short films made by students and enthusiasts.  I thought it was very disrespectful that the show gave full credits to all those who worked on the links, but the short movies, which were the whole point of the programme and were probably shot by people working without a fee had nearly all of the credits cut.  These people were most likely trying to make a name for themselves in the industry and to remove their credits seemed grossly discourteous.  Those working on the links would have earned full industry rates, while the reward for those working on the actual films was supposed to be recognition, but they were deprived of any recognition during what was almost certainly the biggest audience for that film.
>> 
>> Alan Taylor
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 30 Oct 2019, at 30 Oct . 12:05, John Vincent via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Last night I wanted to catch up with 'The Apprentice' (I know!).
>>> 
>>> Searching iPlayer I got as far as typing 'The'  and Theatre 625 'Talking to a Stranger' popped up. It was the first drama I worked on. I had to watch it
>>> 
>>> Shot in 1966 the first episode was a remarkable performance by a young Judi Dench. I was cable bashing Jim Atkinson. Others on the crew were Rod Taylor, Geoff Clarke and I think Garth Tucker.
>>> 
>>> The directing (Chris Mrahan) and camerawork are worth taking a look at. A wonderful example of the Golden Age of Television.
>>> 
>>> As usual at the time camera credits go to film dept for about 2 mins work in 90!
>>> 
>>> JV
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk
>> 
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From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net  Wed Oct 30 11:18:37 2019
From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt)
Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2019 16:18:37 -0000
Subject: [Tech1] Theatre 625 Talking to a Stranger
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Dead right Alasdair - at times some of the inclusions are jaw-dropping. Nice 
to see the trainee tea-boy having his moment of glory but it does rather 
detract from the significance of the key players.

Dave Newbitt.

-----Original Message----- 
From: Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1
Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2019 4:10 PM
To: Alan Taylor
Cc: Tech-Ops-chit-chat
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Theatre 625 Talking to a Stranger

If you have the patience, have a look at the credits of almost any outside 
commission on 1 or 2.

I would love some of these people to write a job description of exactly what 
they did to create the programme.

Alasdair Lawrance

Don?t blame me, I voted Remain.



> On 30 Oct 2019, at 15:35, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> 
> wrote:
>
> ?In many ways the credits issue has got worse in recent years because 
> continuity people shrink the frame and drastically drop the sound level 
> once the credits are running so that they can show a graphic trailing 
> what's coming up.  The habit of shrinking credits to 1/4 of the frame 
> makes most of them illegible on a typical television.  It's the equivalent 
> of getting up and rushing out of the cinema once the credits start running 
> and I'm surprised that television continuity people can be so 
> disrespectful towards other television people.
>
> The saving grace is that many of the more significant TV shows have 
> entries in IMDB, where all crew can be credited, not just heads of 
> departments and those credits are always available for anybody to see at 
> any time.
>
> Alan Taylor
>
>
>
>
>> On 30 Oct 2019, at 30 Oct . 15:10, David Newbitt <dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net> 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Yes - it really is a shame about the prevailing attitude to credits at 
>> the time. The powers that be were dead against the idea and it somehow 
>> seems even more regrettable now when looking back on that 'golden era' 
>> that so much peerless work effectively went unremarked. A pat on the back 
>> in the club after the show doesn't really make up for the omission. It is 
>> nice though that this forum goes a long way to encourage appreciation of 
>> what was quietly achieved.
>>
>> Dave Newbitt.
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: Alan Taylor via Tech1
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2019 2:34 PM
>> To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat
>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Theatre 625 Talking to a Stranger
>>
>> Talking of credits ... A few years ago, Terry Wogan linked a series of 
>> programmes featuring short films made by students and enthusiasts.  I 
>> thought it was very disrespectful that the show gave full credits to all 
>> those who worked on the links, but the short movies, which were the whole 
>> point of the programme and were probably shot by people working without a 
>> fee had nearly all of the credits cut.  These people were most likely 
>> trying to make a name for themselves in the industry and to remove their 
>> credits seemed grossly discourteous.  Those working on the links would 
>> have earned full industry rates, while the reward for those working on 
>> the actual films was supposed to be recognition, but they were deprived 
>> of any recognition during what was almost certainly the biggest audience 
>> for that film.
>>
>> Alan Taylor
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On 30 Oct 2019, at 30 Oct . 12:05, John Vincent via Tech1 
>>> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>> Last night I wanted to catch up with 'The Apprentice' (I know!).
>>>
>>> Searching iPlayer I got as far as typing 'The'  and Theatre 625 'Talking 
>>> to a Stranger' popped up. It was the first drama I worked on. I had to 
>>> watch it
>>>
>>> Shot in 1966 the first episode was a remarkable performance by a young 
>>> Judi Dench. I was cable bashing Jim Atkinson. Others on the crew were 
>>> Rod Taylor, Geoff Clarke and I think Garth Tucker.
>>>
>>> The directing (Chris Mrahan) and camerawork are worth taking a look at. 
>>> A wonderful example of the Golden Age of Television.
>>>
>>> As usual at the time camera credits go to film dept for about 2 mins 
>>> work in 90!
>>>
>>> JV
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> Tech1 mailing list
>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk
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From grahamthecameraman at icloud.com  Wed Oct 30 12:08:46 2019
From: grahamthecameraman at icloud.com (Graham Maunder)
Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2019 17:08:46 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Theatre 625 Talking to a Stranger
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A recent programme I was working on got around the shrinking of the credits by running them before the ?official? end of the programme in amongst the last scene as the producer was fed up with the whole issue!
Graham Maunder


Sent from my iPhone 

> On 30 Oct 2019, at 15:31, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?In many ways the credits issue has got worse in recent years because continuity people shrink the frame and drastically drop the sound level once the credits are running so that they can show a graphic trailing what's coming up.  The habit of shrinking credits to 1/4 of the frame makes most of them illegible on a typical television.  It's the equivalent of getting up and rushing out of the cinema once the credits start running and I'm surprised that television continuity people can be so disrespectful towards other television people. 
> 
> The saving grace is that many of the more significant TV shows have entries in IMDB, where all crew can be credited, not just heads of departments and those credits are always available for anybody to see at any time. 
> 
> Alan Taylor
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On 30 Oct 2019, at 30 Oct . 15:10, David Newbitt <dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net> wrote:
>> 
>> Yes - it really is a shame about the prevailing attitude to credits at the time. The powers that be were dead against the idea and it somehow seems even more regrettable now when looking back on that 'golden era' that so much peerless work effectively went unremarked. A pat on the back in the club after the show doesn't really make up for the omission. It is nice though that this forum goes a long way to encourage appreciation of what was quietly achieved.
>> 
>> Dave Newbitt.
>> 
>> -----Original Message----- From: Alan Taylor via Tech1
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2019 2:34 PM
>> To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat
>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Theatre 625 Talking to a Stranger
>> 
>> Talking of credits ... A few years ago, Terry Wogan linked a series of programmes featuring short films made by students and enthusiasts.  I thought it was very disrespectful that the show gave full credits to all those who worked on the links, but the short movies, which were the whole point of the programme and were probably shot by people working without a fee had nearly all of the credits cut.  These people were most likely trying to make a name for themselves in the industry and to remove their credits seemed grossly discourteous.  Those working on the links would have earned full industry rates, while the reward for those working on the actual films was supposed to be recognition, but they were deprived of any recognition during what was almost certainly the biggest audience for that film.
>> 
>> Alan Taylor
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 30 Oct 2019, at 30 Oct . 12:05, John Vincent via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Last night I wanted to catch up with 'The Apprentice' (I know!).
>>> 
>>> Searching iPlayer I got as far as typing 'The'  and Theatre 625 'Talking to a Stranger' popped up. It was the first drama I worked on. I had to watch it
>>> 
>>> Shot in 1966 the first episode was a remarkable performance by a young Judi Dench. I was cable bashing Jim Atkinson. Others on the crew were Rod Taylor, Geoff Clarke and I think Garth Tucker.
>>> 
>>> The directing (Chris Mrahan) and camerawork are worth taking a look at. A wonderful example of the Golden Age of Television.
>>> 
>>> As usual at the time camera credits go to film dept for about 2 mins work in 90!
>>> 
>>> JV
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> Tech1 mailing list
>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Wed Oct 30 13:40:44 2019
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2019 18:40:44 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Screen credits
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The DG, Tony Hall went into print to assure technicians that their contribution should be suitably acknowledged. But the shrinking and indeed the voice overs, which must annoy the music composers, still happens.
As to the film guys getting screen credits on TV programmes, I believe that this may be due to Union (ACT) insistence.
In the Film industry, to where I transferred, I did get a few feature film credits for my contribution on the sound crews, not always though.
Now that so much of the images are CGI, one ends up with a whole reel of the computer guys and gals!
However I would always champion the inclusion of the Honey-Wagon driver (Mobile toilet vehicle) as, most importantly he is the first on location, and the last to leave!
Frankly, the average viewer either for film or TV is not that interested, I think it?s more for us in the industry to see who was responsible!
What follows are the phases of any project but very true in the TV and film industry ? particularly the last one!
1. Enthusiasm,
2. Disillusionment,
3. Panic and hysteria,
4. Hunt for the guilty,
5. Punishment of the innocent, and
6. Reward for the uninvolved.
Best
Pat
Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Alan Taylor via Tech1
Sent: 30 October 2019 15:30
To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Theatre 625 Talking to a Stranger

In many ways the credits issue has got worse in recent years because continuity people shrink the frame and drastically drop the sound level once the credits are running so that they can show a graphic trailing what's coming up.  The habit of shrinking credits to 1/4 of the frame makes most of them illegible on a typical television.  It's the equivalent of getting up and rushing out of the cinema once the credits start running and I'm surprised that television continuity people can be so disrespectful towards other television people. 

The saving grace is that many of the more significant TV shows have entries in IMDB, where all crew can be credited, not just heads of departments and those credits are always available for anybody to see at any time. 

Alan Taylor







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From alanaudio at me.com  Wed Oct 30 16:02:35 2019
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2019 21:02:35 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Screen credits
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I?m not so sure about ACCT blocking screen credits. I worked on one such film which was shown as a filler on Channel 4 twice or three times and the credits were shown in their entirety each time.   Channel 4 also televised a comparable series to Wogan?s one and they included what appeared to be the full credits for each film. 

If Channel 4 did it, I don?t see why the BBC couldn?t. 

Alan Taylor



> On 30 Oct 2019, at 18:40, patheigham <pat.heigham at amps.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> The DG, Tony Hall went into print to assure technicians that their contribution should be suitably acknowledged. But the shrinking and indeed the voice overs, which must annoy the music composers, still happens.
> As to the film guys getting screen credits on TV programmes, I believe that this may be due to Union (ACT) insistence.
> In the Film industry, to where I transferred, I did get a few feature film credits for my contribution on the sound crews, not always though.
> Now that so much of the images are CGI, one ends up with a whole reel of the computer guys and gals!
> However I would always champion the inclusion of the Honey-Wagon driver (Mobile toilet vehicle) as, most importantly he is the first on location, and the last to leave!
> Frankly, the average viewer either for film or TV is not that interested, I think it?s more for us in the industry to see who was responsible!
> What follows are the phases of any project but very true in the TV and film industry ? particularly the last one!
> Enthusiasm,
> Disillusionment,
> Panic and hysteria,
> Hunt for the guilty,
> Punishment of the innocent, and
> Reward for the uninvolved.
> Best
> Pat
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>  
> From: Alan Taylor via Tech1
> Sent: 30 October 2019 15:30
> To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat
> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Theatre 625 Talking to a Stranger
>  
> In many ways the credits issue has got worse in recent years because continuity people shrink the frame and drastically drop the sound level once the credits are running so that they can show a graphic trailing what's coming up.  The habit of shrinking credits to 1/4 of the frame makes most of them illegible on a typical television.  It's the equivalent of getting up and rushing out of the cinema once the credits start running and I'm surprised that television continuity people can be so disrespectful towards other television people.
>  
> The saving grace is that many of the more significant TV shows have entries in IMDB, where all crew can be credited, not just heads of departments and those credits are always available for anybody to see at any time.
>  
> Alan Taylor
>  
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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Wed Oct 30 16:22:39 2019
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2019 21:22:39 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Images
Message-ID: <74504eb7-68d6-796f-386b-0041bb032aa4@btinternet.com>

I expect most of you use Google as a search engine but their home page 
is very boring. If you change to Bing, you will get a beautiful new 
picture every day, which you can download and simply erase the 'Bing' 
logo with Irfanview's clone stamp and it will be good enough to print 
and hang on your wall! Today's picture is of the Charles Bridge in 
Prague with some very interesting facts about it. Doreen and I had a 
weekend break there a couple of years ago and went to the bridge, as all 
tourists do! We were amazed to see a procession coming over the bridge 
which included a flock of geese, a cart full of snow and a US 
Confederate soldier on horseback! We followed it into the church near 
the end of the bridge and discovered that it was in honour of the patron 
saint of all the things! Funny old world, isn't it? Cheers, Dave


From keithwicksuk at gmail.com  Thu Oct 31 00:41:57 2019
From: keithwicksuk at gmail.com (Keith Wicks)
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2019 05:41:57 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Images
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Message-ID: <CAA=qGJkpZrL8ous7c6sS_zeMhJR0L+obLfMLO6OuUutUqb0C0w@mail.gmail.com>

Google search engine is not just boring. I think it was changes to the
search algorithm that made Google hopeless for some searches. I was looking
for information about a piece of vintage equipment and entered the maker
and model number. Instead of what I was looking for, I just got up-to-date
information about the maker and equipment they made. Perhaps relevant
information appeared several pages in, but time was short. So I tried using
DuckDuckGo and got the answer I wanted straight away.

I now use DuckDuckGo as my main search engine, but keep Google available in
case it seems more relevant for some searches.

[image: DDG.png]

KW


On Wed, 30 Oct 2019 at 21:23, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
wrote:

> I expect most of you use Google as a search engine but their home page
> is very boring. If you change to Bing, you will get a beautiful new
> picture every day, which you can download and simply erase the 'Bing'
> logo with Irfanview's clone stamp and it will be good enough to print
> and hang on your wall! Today's picture is of the Charles Bridge in
> Prague with some very interesting facts about it. Doreen and I had a
> weekend break there a couple of years ago and went to the bridge, as all
> tourists do! We were amazed to see a procession coming over the bridge
> which included a flock of geese, a cart full of snow and a US
> Confederate soldier on horseback! We followed it into the church near
> the end of the bridge and discovered that it was in honour of the patron
> saint of all the things! Funny old world, isn't it? Cheers, Dave
>
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From geoffletch at gmail.com  Thu Oct 31 04:11:40 2019
From: geoffletch at gmail.com (Geoff Fletcher)
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2019 09:11:40 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Theatre 625 Talking to a Stranger
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On the subject of credits and job description thereof, my favourite Uncle
who was an elderly ex miner once completely floored me when I visited him a
few months after I joined the BBC back in the early 1960?s. He watched TV a
fair amount and read the obviously read the credits too. He remarked to me
that there must be a lot of wet and muddy places where people had to work
as they had a chap who?s job was to look after the crews? boots. I didn?t
see where he got this idea from, and he explained that this guy was
mentioned on the name list, as he called it, at the end of films. As it
happened, a film was just coming to an end as we sat there talking. The
credits rolled and Uncle Bert pointed to one as it went by. ?That?s him -
he?s the man who looks after the boots!? he said. It was the Dubbing Mixer!

On Wed, 30 Oct 2019 at 17:09, Graham Maunder via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
wrote:

> A recent programme I was working on got around the shrinking of the
> credits by running them before the ?official? end of the programme in
> amongst the last scene as the producer was fed up with the whole issue!
> Graham Maunder
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On 30 Oct 2019, at 15:31, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> wrote:
> >
> > ?In many ways the credits issue has got worse in recent years because
> continuity people shrink the frame and drastically drop the sound level
> once the credits are running so that they can show a graphic trailing
> what's coming up.  The habit of shrinking credits to 1/4 of the frame makes
> most of them illegible on a typical television.  It's the equivalent of
> getting up and rushing out of the cinema once the credits start running and
> I'm surprised that television continuity people can be so disrespectful
> towards other television people.
> >
> > The saving grace is that many of the more significant TV shows have
> entries in IMDB, where all crew can be credited, not just heads of
> departments and those credits are always available for anybody to see at
> any time.
> >
> > Alan Taylor
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >> On 30 Oct 2019, at 30 Oct . 15:10, David Newbitt <
> dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> Yes - it really is a shame about the prevailing attitude to credits at
> the time. The powers that be were dead against the idea and it somehow
> seems even more regrettable now when looking back on that 'golden era' that
> so much peerless work effectively went unremarked. A pat on the back in the
> club after the show doesn't really make up for the omission. It is nice
> though that this forum goes a long way to encourage appreciation of what
> was quietly achieved.
> >>
> >> Dave Newbitt.
> >>
> >> -----Original Message----- From: Alan Taylor via Tech1
> >> Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2019 2:34 PM
> >> To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat
> >> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Theatre 625 Talking to a Stranger
> >>
> >> Talking of credits ... A few years ago, Terry Wogan linked a series of
> programmes featuring short films made by students and enthusiasts.  I
> thought it was very disrespectful that the show gave full credits to all
> those who worked on the links, but the short movies, which were the whole
> point of the programme and were probably shot by people working without a
> fee had nearly all of the credits cut.  These people were most likely
> trying to make a name for themselves in the industry and to remove their
> credits seemed grossly discourteous.  Those working on the links would have
> earned full industry rates, while the reward for those working on the
> actual films was supposed to be recognition, but they were deprived of any
> recognition during what was almost certainly the biggest audience for that
> film.
> >>
> >> Alan Taylor
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> On 30 Oct 2019, at 30 Oct . 12:05, John Vincent via Tech1 <
> tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Last night I wanted to catch up with 'The Apprentice' (I know!).
> >>>
> >>> Searching iPlayer I got as far as typing 'The'  and Theatre 625
> 'Talking to a Stranger' popped up. It was the first drama I worked on. I
> had to watch it
> >>>
> >>> Shot in 1966 the first episode was a remarkable performance by a young
> Judi Dench. I was cable bashing Jim Atkinson. Others on the crew were Rod
> Taylor, Geoff Clarke and I think Garth Tucker.
> >>>
> >>> The directing (Chris Mrahan) and camerawork are worth taking a look
> at. A wonderful example of the Golden Age of Television.
> >>>
> >>> As usual at the time camera credits go to film dept for about 2 mins
> work in 90!
> >>>
> >>> JV
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
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> >>
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From alanaudio at me.com  Thu Oct 31 05:35:26 2019
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2019 10:35:26 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Theatre 625 Talking to a Stranger
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As the "dubbing mixer", I was preparing for the dub of "The Tripods" and had been given a VHS of the finished edit with burnt in timecode.  I was going through it at home and my son was interested in the series, so he was watching as I went through it, constantly stopping, locating a specific timecode, making notes and continuing.  When I reached the end, I stopped just as soon as the credits were due to start and ejected the cassette.  The TV then started seamlessly showing the end of an epic movie like El Cid or something similar which was being shown at that time.  

I hadn't noticed that my son was still watching the movie credits as they rolled with all the major names carved in granite.  When it reached the end, he looked concerned and pointed out that my name was missing.


... and the most epic credit I ever had was on a Live Tomorrow's World OB from Milton Keynes. The closing credits were, projected by laser onto a massive airship hovering over the town. 

Alan Taylor




On 31 Oct 2019, at 31 Oct . 09:11, Geoff Fletcher via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

> On the subject of credits and job description thereof, my favourite Uncle who was an elderly ex miner once completely floored me when I visited him a few months after I joined the BBC back in the early 1960?s. He watched TV a fair amount and read the obviously read the credits too. He remarked to me that there must be a lot of wet and muddy places where people had to work as they had a chap who?s job was to look after the crews? boots. I didn?t see where he got this idea from, and he explained that this guy was mentioned on the name list, as he called it, at the end of films. As it happened, a film was just coming to an end as we sat there talking. The credits rolled and Uncle Bert pointed to one as it went by. ?That?s him - he?s the man who looks after the boots!? he said. It was the Dubbing Mixer!
> 
> On Wed, 30 Oct 2019 at 17:09, Graham Maunder via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> A recent programme I was working on got around the shrinking of the credits by running them before the ?official? end of the programme in amongst the last scene as the producer was fed up with the whole issue!
> Graham Maunder
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone 
> 
> > On 30 Oct 2019, at 15:31, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> > 
> > ?In many ways the credits issue has got worse in recent years because continuity people shrink the frame and drastically drop the sound level once the credits are running so that they can show a graphic trailing what's coming up.  The habit of shrinking credits to 1/4 of the frame makes most of them illegible on a typical television.  It's the equivalent of getting up and rushing out of the cinema once the credits start running and I'm surprised that television continuity people can be so disrespectful towards other television people. 
> > 
> > The saving grace is that many of the more significant TV shows have entries in IMDB, where all crew can be credited, not just heads of departments and those credits are always available for anybody to see at any time. 
> > 
> > Alan Taylor
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >> On 30 Oct 2019, at 30 Oct . 15:10, David Newbitt <dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net> wrote:
> >> 
> >> Yes - it really is a shame about the prevailing attitude to credits at the time. The powers that be were dead against the idea and it somehow seems even more regrettable now when looking back on that 'golden era' that so much peerless work effectively went unremarked. A pat on the back in the club after the show doesn't really make up for the omission. It is nice though that this forum goes a long way to encourage appreciation of what was quietly achieved.
> >> 
> >> Dave Newbitt.
> >> 
> >> -----Original Message----- From: Alan Taylor via Tech1
> >> Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2019 2:34 PM
> >> To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat
> >> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Theatre 625 Talking to a Stranger
> >> 
> >> Talking of credits ... A few years ago, Terry Wogan linked a series of programmes featuring short films made by students and enthusiasts.  I thought it was very disrespectful that the show gave full credits to all those who worked on the links, but the short movies, which were the whole point of the programme and were probably shot by people working without a fee had nearly all of the credits cut.  These people were most likely trying to make a name for themselves in the industry and to remove their credits seemed grossly discourteous.  Those working on the links would have earned full industry rates, while the reward for those working on the actual films was supposed to be recognition, but they were deprived of any recognition during what was almost certainly the biggest audience for that film.
> >> 
> >> Alan Taylor
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >>> On 30 Oct 2019, at 30 Oct . 12:05, John Vincent via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> >>> 
> >>> Last night I wanted to catch up with 'The Apprentice' (I know!).
> >>> 
> >>> Searching iPlayer I got as far as typing 'The'  and Theatre 625 'Talking to a Stranger' popped up. It was the first drama I worked on. I had to watch it
> >>> 
> >>> Shot in 1966 the first episode was a remarkable performance by a young Judi Dench. I was cable bashing Jim Atkinson. Others on the crew were Rod Taylor, Geoff Clarke and I think Garth Tucker.
> >>> 
> >>> The directing (Chris Mrahan) and camerawork are worth taking a look at. A wonderful example of the Golden Age of Television.
> >>> 
> >>> As usual at the time camera credits go to film dept for about 2 mins work in 90!
> >>> 
> >>> JV
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> -- 
> >>> Tech1 mailing list
> >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk
> >> 
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Thu Oct 31 12:07:29 2019
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2019 17:07:29 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Dubbin(g)
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Dubbin is a wax product used to soften, condition and waterproof leather.
Love to have had someone to clean my boots after a mucky location!
Pat

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Geoff Fletcher via Tech1
Sent: 31 October 2019 09:12
To: Graham Maunder
Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Theatre 625 Talking to a Stranger

The credits rolled and Uncle Bert pointed to one as it went by. ?That?s him - he?s the man who looks after the boots!? he said. It was the Dubbing Mixer!




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From geoffletch at gmail.com  Thu Oct 31 15:32:02 2019
From: geoffletch at gmail.com (Geoff Fletcher)
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2019 20:32:02 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Dubbin(g)
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Correct Pat. Bert always wore black boots shined to a mirror polish. He
started down the pit at 14 and boots were an expensive but necessary part
of a miner?s kit, so he was taught to look after them by giving them a good
dubbing every night after work to keep the wet out and the leather supple.
He died at 86 several years ago now - fell down the steep winding stairs in
his little terrace house fetching his wife a glass of water one night.
Geoff F

On Thu, 31 Oct 2019 at 17:07, patheigham <pat.heigham at amps.net> wrote:

> Dubbin is a wax product used to soften, condition and waterproof leather.
>
> Love to have had someone to clean my boots after a mucky location!
>
> Pat
>
>
>
> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
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> *Cc: *tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> *Subject: *Re: [Tech1] Theatre 625 Talking to a Stranger
>
>
>
> The credits rolled and Uncle Bert pointed to one as it went by. ?That?s
> him - he?s the man who looks after the boots!? he said. It was the Dubbing
> Mixer!
>
>
>
>
>
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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Thu Oct 31 15:44:32 2019
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2019 20:44:32 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Dubbin(g)
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Dubbin is - apparently - made mostly of beeswax and lard.? Natural hand 
cream is made mostly of beeswax and a choice of oils, so pretty much the 
same thing. If anyone wants to make either, I can supply beeswax.

B



On 31/10/2019 20:32, Geoff Fletcher via Tech1 wrote:
> Correct Pat. Bert always wore black boots shined to a mirror polish. 
> He started down the pit at 14 and boots were an expensive but 
> necessary part of a miner?s kit, so he was taught to look after them 
> by giving them a good dubbing every night after work to keep the wet 
> out and the leather supple. He died at 86 several years ago now - fell 
> down the steep winding stairs in his little terrace house fetching his 
> wife a glass of water one night.
> Geoff F
>
> On Thu, 31 Oct 2019 at 17:07, patheigham <pat.heigham at amps.net 
> <mailto:pat.heigham at amps.net>> wrote:
>
>     Dubbin is a wax product used to soften, condition and waterproof
>     leather.
>
>     Love to have had someone to clean my boots after a mucky location!
>
>     Pat
>
>     Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986>
>     for Windows 10
>
>     *From: *Geoff Fletcher via Tech1 <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
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>     *Cc: *tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
>     *Subject: *Re: [Tech1] Theatre 625 Talking to a Stranger
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>     ?That?s him - he?s the man who looks after the boots!? he said. It
>     was the Dubbing Mixer!
>
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