From dave at davesound.co.uk  Fri Nov  1 06:13:01 2019
From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman)
Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2019 11:13:01 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Tech1] Dubbin(g)
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In article
<CAB99AB8qQWOnZu3PuyXFR0+on9W6=OMvzrjCqrdzaHSS1opntw at mail.gmail.com>,
   Geoff Fletcher via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> Correct Pat. Bert always wore black boots shined to a mirror polish. He
> started down the pit at 14 and boots were an expensive but necessary
> part of a miner?s kit, so he was taught to look after them by giving
> them a good dubbing every night after work to keep the wet out and the
> leather supple. He died at 86 several years ago now - fell down the
> steep winding stairs in his little terrace house fetching his wife a
> glass of water one night. Geoff F

Oddly, I remember dubbin producing a matt finish. For working boots.
Didn't realise it could be made to shine too.

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    Dave Plowman     dave at davesound.co.uk     London SW 12
    


From bernie833 at gmail.com  Fri Nov  1 06:52:19 2019
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2019 11:52:19 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Photo hunting
Message-ID: <4995c581-3ab6-3c5c-a082-cee5e4ded734@gmail.com>

I have to give a small lecture and am looking for a CV picture or two. I 
found this, though I won't be using it -



TO25 at Evesham - Chris Woolf, John Nottage, Ray Williams (at back), me, 
Dave Beer. I don't know who the sideways chap is.? And whatever happened 
to Ray Williams, who owned a Morris Traveller in which we went to Wales 
one weekend?

B
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From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net  Fri Nov  1 07:37:08 2019
From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt)
Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2019 12:37:08 -0000
Subject: [Tech1] Dubbin(g)
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In my school days (apart from the summer term of course) we played rugby 
virtually every day. It was only regular liberal applications of dubbin to 
the rugby boots that kept enough water penetration at bay and enabled them 
to be used day in day out. Geoff's Uncle Bert seems to have had his boots in 
a condition that would more normally have been achieved by the time honoured 
process of boning. Used to be a dab hand at that!

Dave Newbitt.

-----Original Message----- 
From: Dave Plowman via Tech1
Sent: Friday, November 1, 2019 11:13 AM
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Dubbin(g)

In article
<CAB99AB8qQWOnZu3PuyXFR0+on9W6=OMvzrjCqrdzaHSS1opntw at mail.gmail.com>,
   Geoff Fletcher via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> Correct Pat. Bert always wore black boots shined to a mirror polish. He
> started down the pit at 14 and boots were an expensive but necessary
> part of a miner?s kit, so he was taught to look after them by giving
> them a good dubbing every night after work to keep the wet out and the
> leather supple. He died at 86 several years ago now - fell down the
> steep winding stairs in his little terrace house fetching his wife a
> glass of water one night. Geoff F

Oddly, I remember dubbin producing a matt finish. For working boots.
Didn't realise it could be made to shine too.

-- 
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    Dave Plowman     dave at davesound.co.uk     London SW 12


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From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk  Fri Nov  1 07:59:35 2019
From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf)
Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2019 12:59:35 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Photo hunting
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Youth was always embarrassing;}

Might the unknown one be Mike Colcutt (spelling might be adrift)? I 
think he failed the course and disappeared without trace.

..but never believe everything you read in the media;}

Chris



On 01/11/2019 11:52, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote:
> I have to give a small lecture and am looking for a CV picture or two. 
> I found this, though I won't be using it -
>
>
>
> TO25 at Evesham - Chris Woolf, John Nottage, Ray Williams (at back), 
> me, Dave Beer. I don't know who the sideways chap is. And whatever 
> happened to Ray Williams, who owned a Morris Traveller in which we 
> went to Wales one weekend?
>
> B
>


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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Fri Nov  1 08:05:46 2019
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2019 13:05:46 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Dubbin(g)
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Ne Loved your Uncle Bert?s story, Geoff!
Also the Military always set great store by insisting on shiny boots.
I had to endure the School CCF (Combined Cadet Force) and as my dad had been Army, he helped to keep my uniform and webbing up to scratch. Trouble was, we hung stuff up in the changing room, and most often, there was one lazy sod who hadn?t bothered to blanco his webbing or polish the brass, so stole mine, leaving me his ratty uniform.
I countered this by joining the Corps of Drums, which blancoed their webbing white ? so if mine got swapped, the culprit was narrowed down to only twenty suspects.
The move to the band was good in a number of ways ? we sat in a classroom and practised music, instead of crawling round the playing fields getting muddy! It also taught me the rudiments of score reading, which was useful in the BBC, later. Once we got reasonably proficient, the band headed up the Remembrance Day parade through our local town. I wanted to be a drummer, but was only offered a fife, so learned that! Could actually get a tune out of it!. One Speech Day we played on the senior field as the Queen Mother?s helicopter landed and she climbed out.
Best
Pat

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From: Geoff Fletcher
Sent: 31 October 2019 20:32
To: patheigham
Cc: Graham Maunder; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Dubbin(g)

Correct Pat. Bert always wore black boots shined to a mirror polish. He started down the pit at 14 and boots were an expensive but necessary part of a miner?s kit, so he was taught to look after them by giving them a good dubbing every night after work to keep the wet out and the leather supple. 



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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Fri Nov  1 08:24:36 2019
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2019 13:24:36 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Screen credits
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Hi Alan,
My comment was not about ACTT blocking credits ? as I understood, ACT required screen credits to be given to film technicians which is why the Ealing people got their names on screen and studio technicians did not. Later, the HOD?s got recognised, Lighting/Sound Supervisors for instance, plus Make Up. Now it seems that everyone gets a namecheck, so it goes on for yonks, and results in the roller being speeded up so you cannot read it!
Pat

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From: Alan Taylor via Tech1
Sent: 30 October 2019 21:02
To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Screen credits

I?m not so sure about ACCT blocking screen credits. I worked on one such film which was shown as a filler on Channel 4 twice or three times and the credits were shown in their entirety each time. ? Channel 4 also televised a comparable series to Wogan?s one and they included what appeared to be the full credits for each film.?

If Channel 4 did it, I don?t see why the BBC couldn?t.?

Alan Taylor




On 30 Oct 2019, at 18:40, patheigham <pat.heigham at amps.net> wrote:
?
The DG, Tony Hall went into print to assure technicians that their contribution should be suitably acknowledged. But the shrinking and indeed the voice overs, which must annoy the music composers, still happens.
As to the film guys getting screen credits on TV programmes, I believe that this may be due to Union (ACT) insistence.
In the Film industry, to where I transferred, I did get a few feature film credits for my contribution on the sound crews, not always though.
Now that so much of the images are CGI, one ends up with a whole reel of the computer guys and gals!
However I would always champion the inclusion of the Honey-Wagon driver (Mobile toilet vehicle) as, most importantly he is the first on location, and the last to leave!
Frankly, the average viewer either for film or TV is not that interested, I think it?s more for us in the industry to see who was responsible!
What follows are the phases of any project but very true in the TV and film industry ? particularly the last one!
1. Enthusiasm,
2. Disillusionment,
3. Panic and hysteria,
4. Hunt for the guilty,
5. Punishment of the innocent, and
6. Reward for the uninvolved.
Best
Pat
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From waresound at msn.com  Fri Nov  1 08:34:44 2019
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2019 13:34:44 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Dubbin(g)
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Agreed. Dubbin was for your football boots. Shining your ACF boots took spit and polish.
Cheers,
Nick.

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> On 1 Nov 2019, at 11:23, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 


From dave at davesound.co.uk  Fri Nov  1 08:36:50 2019
From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman)
Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2019 13:36:50 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Tech1] Screen credits
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In article <5dbc3213.1c69fb81.4a12a.3a2a at mx.google.com>,
   patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> My comment was not about ACTT blocking credits ? as I understood, ACT
> required screen credits to be given to film technicians which is why the
> Ealing people got their names on screen and studio technicians did not.

Dates back to when pretty all film people were free lance. So their next
job might depend on that advertising.

ITV was mainly ACTT. Don't think the union insisted on tech credits there,
where most were staff.

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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Fri Nov  1 09:15:59 2019
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2019 14:15:59 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: John Lintern
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 From Les Thorn -


-------- Forwarded Message --------
Subject: 	John Lintern
Date: 	Wed, 30 Oct 2019 18:25:04 +0000
From: 	Les Thorn <lesthorn89 at icloud.com>
To: 	Bernard Newnham <bernard.newnham at ntlworld.com>



Hi Bernie,
I have just heard from someone we met recently on a cruise, that John 
Lintern died in May. He had not been well for some time.
She had worked with him on the Parish Council and was hoping to put me 
in touch. Pam, his wife, still lives in Coltishall.
Les
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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Fri Nov  1 09:21:56 2019
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2019 14:21:56 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Photo hunting
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It's not Mike Colcutt, who came with us to TC. He left and went to work 
for SSVC in Europe, and there are rumours of some unsavoury things after 
that which will remain unsaid.

Two chaps failed TO25, both already BBC staff. One of them was a good 
chap and we didn't know why he failed.

So are you moving to Australia?

B


On 01/11/2019 12:59, Chris Woolf via Tech1 wrote:
>
> Youth was always embarrassing;}
>
> Might the unknown one be Mike Colcutt (spelling might be adrift)? I 
> think he failed the course and disappeared without trace.
>
> ..but never believe everything you read in the media;}
>
> Chris
>
>
>
> On 01/11/2019 11:52, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote:
>> I have to give a small lecture and am looking for a CV picture or 
>> two. I found this, though I won't be using it -
>>
>>
>>
>> TO25 at Evesham - Chris Woolf, John Nottage, Ray Williams (at back), 
>> me, Dave Beer. I don't know who the sideways chap is. And whatever 
>> happened to Ray Williams, who owned a Morris Traveller in which we 
>> went to Wales one weekend?
>>
>> B
>>
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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Fri Nov  1 09:32:54 2019
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2019 14:32:54 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Photo hunting
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> ..but never believe everything you read in the media;}
>
> Chris
>
>
Still hunting, not finding what I'm looking for, but finding other 
stuff.? You can believe some things in the press, mainly because I 
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From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk  Fri Nov  1 09:34:20 2019
From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf)
Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2019 14:34:20 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Photo hunting
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On 01/11/2019 14:21, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote:
> It's not Mike Colcutt, who came with us to TC. He left and went to 
> work for SSVC in Europe, and there are rumours of some unsavoury 
> things after that which will remain unsaid.
Your memory is better than mine!
>
> So are you moving to Australia?

Oh no - not in this great connected world. I can do everything in my 
office and workshop down in Cornwall. 3D printing and swapping files 
absolves one from having to do anything so drastic. Remote working also 
means that the dreaded time-wasting "meetings" are never required. As 
with Rycote I am not "owned" - I just work with them -? it is a very 
relaxed, enjoyable, and bilaterally profitable arrangement.

Beats having to eat into the pension;}

Chris


>
> B
>
>
> On 01/11/2019 12:59, Chris Woolf via Tech1 wrote:
>>
>> Youth was always embarrassing;}
>>
>> Might the unknown one be Mike Colcutt (spelling might be adrift)? I 
>> think he failed the course and disappeared without trace.
>>
>> ..but never believe everything you read in the media;}
>>
>> Chris
>>
>>
>>
>> On 01/11/2019 11:52, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote:
>>> I have to give a small lecture and am looking for a CV picture or 
>>> two. I found this, though I won't be using it -
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> TO25 at Evesham - Chris Woolf, John Nottage, Ray Williams (at back), 
>>> me, Dave Beer. I don't know who the sideways chap is.? And whatever 
>>> happened to Ray Williams, who owned a Morris Traveller in which we 
>>> went to Wales one weekend?
>>>
>>> B
>>>
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From alawrance1 at me.com  Fri Nov  1 09:40:57 2019
From: alawrance1 at me.com (Alasdair Lawrance)
Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2019 14:40:57 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Dubbin(g)
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Presumably the process of boning required the use of a boner?

> On 1 Nov 2019, at 12:37, David Newbitt via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> In my school days (apart from the summer term of course) we played rugby virtually every day. It was only regular liberal applications of dubbin to the rugby boots that kept enough water penetration at bay and enabled them to be used day in day out. Geoff's Uncle Bert seems to have had his boots in a condition that would more normally have been achieved by the time honoured process of boning. Used to be a dab hand at that!
> 
> Dave Newbitt.
> 
> -----Original Message----- From: Dave Plowman via Tech1
> Sent: Friday, November 1, 2019 11:13 AM
> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Dubbin(g)
> 
> In article
> <CAB99AB8qQWOnZu3PuyXFR0+on9W6=OMvzrjCqrdzaHSS1opntw at mail.gmail.com>,
>  Geoff Fletcher via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> Correct Pat. Bert always wore black boots shined to a mirror polish. He
>> started down the pit at 14 and boots were an expensive but necessary
>> part of a miner?s kit, so he was taught to look after them by giving
>> them a good dubbing every night after work to keep the wet out and the
>> leather supple. He died at 86 several years ago now - fell down the
>> steep winding stairs in his little terrace house fetching his wife a
>> glass of water one night. Geoff F
> 
> Oddly, I remember dubbin producing a matt finish. For working boots.
> Didn't realise it could be made to shine too.
> 
> -- 
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> 
>   Dave Plowman     dave at davesound.co.uk     London SW 12
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From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net  Fri Nov  1 10:05:24 2019
From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt)
Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2019 15:05:24 -0000
Subject: [Tech1] Dubbin(g)
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Eye-watering thought Alasdair, so preferably someone else?s!

Like Pat it was CCF bull that initiated me into the delights. The technique was to build up a thick layer on the toe-caps using boot polish and spittle rubbed in with a cloth, allowing to dry to just the right amount then working over the surface with a suitable hard surfaced implement. Doubtless this would originally have been bone but we used toothbrush handles. This was when these were simple smooth plastic with rounded edges, not today?s objects that, just like razors, look as though they came off the set of a galactic warfare shoot. Finally hours of buffing with a soft duster would produce the mirror finish.

Re Pat?s recollections of blanco I was once, at the annual general inspection, complemented on my webbing by Field Marshall Sir John Harding, no less. I think it?s been more or less steady downhill since that high point!

Dave Newbitt

From: Alasdair Lawrance 
Sent: Friday, November 1, 2019 2:40 PM
To: David Newbitt 
Cc: Mr Alasdair Lawrance ; Dave Plowman ; Tech Ops List 
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Dubbin(g)

Presumably the process of boning required the use of a boner?



  On 1 Nov 2019, at 12:37, David Newbitt via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

  In my school days (apart from the summer term of course) we played rugby virtually every day. It was only regular liberal applications of dubbin to the rugby boots that kept enough water penetration at bay and enabled them to be used day in day out. Geoff's Uncle Bert seems to have had his boots in a condition that would more normally have been achieved by the time honoured process of boning. Used to be a dab hand at that!

  Dave Newbitt.

  -----Original Message----- From: Dave Plowman via Tech1
  Sent: Friday, November 1, 2019 11:13 AM
  To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
  Subject: Re: [Tech1] Dubbin(g)

  In article
  <CAB99AB8qQWOnZu3PuyXFR0+on9W6=OMvzrjCqrdzaHSS1opntw at mail.gmail.com>,
  Geoff Fletcher via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

    Correct Pat. Bert always wore black boots shined to a mirror polish. He
    started down the pit at 14 and boots were an expensive but necessary
    part of a miner?s kit, so he was taught to look after them by giving
    them a good dubbing every night after work to keep the wet out and the
    leather supple. He died at 86 several years ago now - fell down the
    steep winding stairs in his little terrace house fetching his wife a
    glass of water one night. Geoff F


  Oddly, I remember dubbin producing a matt finish. For working boots.
  Didn't realise it could be made to shine too.

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    Dave Plowman     dave at davesound.co.uk     London SW 12


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From j at howell61.f9.co.uk  Fri Nov  1 10:28:30 2019
From: j at howell61.f9.co.uk (John Howell)
Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2019 15:28:30 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Photo hunting
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I heard some time ago that Ray Williams was killed in a boating accident.

John H.


On 01/11/2019 11:52, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote:
> I have to give a small lecture and am looking for a CV picture or two. 
> I found this, though I won't be using it -
>
>
>
> TO25 at Evesham - Chris Woolf, John Nottage, Ray Williams (at back), 
> me, Dave Beer. I don't know who the sideways chap is. And whatever 
> happened to Ray Williams, who owned a Morris Traveller in which we 
> went to Wales one weekend?
>
> B
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From j at howell61.f9.co.uk  Fri Nov  1 10:28:05 2019
From: j at howell61.f9.co.uk (John Howell)
Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2019 15:28:05 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Photo hunting
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I heard some time ago that Ray Williams was killed in a boating accident.

John H.


On 01/11/2019 11:52, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote:
> I have to give a small lecture and am looking for a CV picture or two. 
> I found this, though I won't be using it -
>
>
>
> TO25 at Evesham - Chris Woolf, John Nottage, Ray Williams (at back), 
> me, Dave Beer. I don't know who the sideways chap is. And whatever 
> happened to Ray Williams, who owned a Morris Traveller in which we 
> went to Wales one weekend?
>
> B
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From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk  Fri Nov  1 10:31:55 2019
From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf)
Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2019 15:31:55 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Photo hunting
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Could the sideways one be Django? Can't for the life of me remember his 
proper name.

Chris W

>
> On 01/11/2019 11:52, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote:
>> I have to give a small lecture and am looking for a CV picture or 
>> two. I found this, though I won't be using it -
>>
>>
>>
>> TO25 at Evesham - Chris Woolf, John Nottage, Ray Williams (at back), 
>> me, Dave Beer. I don't know who the sideways chap is. And whatever 
>> happened to Ray Williams, who owned a Morris Traveller in which we 
>> went to Wales one weekend?
>>
>> B
>>
>


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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Fri Nov  1 12:04:54 2019
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2019 17:04:54 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: John Lintern
In-Reply-To: <547A982C-F1AE-46DD-B52C-D812BE618F63@gmail.com>
References: <547A982C-F1AE-46DD-B52C-D812BE618F63@gmail.com>
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 From John Cavacuiti -


-------- Forwarded Message --------
Subject: 	John Lintern
Date: 	Fri, 1 Nov 2019 15:15:07 +0000
From: 	John Cavaciuti <jcpcavaciuti at gmail.com>
To: 	bernard.newnham at ntlworld.com



Hi Bernie,

Google turned up the following:


      Tribute to John Lintern, 1933 - 2019


<https://john-lintern.muchloved.com/>
https://john-lintern.muchloved.com

John's funeral service will be held at Cromer Crematorium on Thursday 
20th June 2019 at 11am. Family flowers only, however donations for 
Dementia UK would be most welcome and may be given via the link provided 
on this page.

The funeral was conducted by: Ivan Fisher Funeral Homes

Coltishall is about 15 miles from Cromer so would appear to fit the 
circumstances.

John was number three cameraman on crew 11 when I?joined in September 1962.
 ?He mentioned one day that he had been evacuated to my home town, 
Abertillery,
 ?a Weish valley mining town, during the war but didn?t elaborate or 
mention it again.

John Cav.
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From david.beer at talktalk.net  Fri Nov  1 12:39:18 2019
From: david.beer at talktalk.net (David Beer)
Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2019 17:39:18 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Photo hunting
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Bernie, I think the sideways chap went under the nickname of Django, as 
in Reinhardt the jazz guitarist, as he was a great fan and guitar 
player. Can't remember his proper name or what happened to him. He 
featured in our end of course programme.

PS. Glad you won't be using that picture!

Dave

On 01/11/2019 11:52, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote:
> I have to give a small lecture and am looking for a CV picture or two. 
> I found this, though I won't be using it -
>
>
>
> TO25 at Evesham - Chris Woolf, John Nottage, Ray Williams (at back), 
> me, Dave Beer. I don't know who the sideways chap is. And whatever 
> happened to Ray Williams, who owned a Morris Traveller in which we 
> went to Wales one weekend?
>
> B
>
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From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk  Fri Nov  1 12:42:22 2019
From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf)
Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2019 17:42:22 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Photo hunting
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We concur!

I think Django was on the Regions side of things which is why he isn't 
in "our" group pic.

Chris Woolf


On 01/11/2019 17:39, David Beer via Tech1 wrote:
>
> Bernie, I think the sideways chap went under the nickname of Django, 
> as in Reinhardt the jazz guitarist, as he was a great fan and guitar 
> player. Can't remember his proper name or what happened to him. He 
> featured in our end of course programme.
>
> PS. Glad you won't be using that picture!
>
> Dave
>
> On 01/11/2019 11:52, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote:
>> I have to give a small lecture and am looking for a CV picture or 
>> two. I found this, though I won't be using it -
>>
>>
>>
>> TO25 at Evesham - Chris Woolf, John Nottage, Ray Williams (at back), 
>> me, Dave Beer. I don't know who the sideways chap is. And whatever 
>> happened to Ray Williams, who owned a Morris Traveller in which we 
>> went to Wales one weekend?
>>
>> B
>>
>


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From robin.sutherland at ukgateway.net  Fri Nov  1 14:27:50 2019
From: robin.sutherland at ukgateway.net (Robin Sutherland)
Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2019 19:27:50 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Photo hunting
In-Reply-To: <8fb53d72-3898-ed34-f079-bd5a9e9196f3@chriswoolf.co.uk>
References: <4995c581-3ab6-3c5c-a082-cee5e4ded734@gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <53C162F1-AE64-4738-B7E7-E6DCD7267D16@ukgateway.net>

Anyone out there got TO25 course photos of the ?other? bits of the course, Radio and Regions?

I have the Television one but it would help my ailing memory to recall names and faces.

I do recall Django but also can?t recall his real name or much about him.

There was also mention of TO25 on a recent post about BH Control Room on The BBC Alumni Facebook page by a Keith Waugh who said he was on it. 

Seems to ring a very distant bell. Someone had an immaculate Austin A90 Atlantic car, could have been him?

Cheers

Robin S

> On 1 Nov 2019, at 17:42, Chris Woolf via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> We concur!
> 
> I think Django was on the Regions side of things which is why he isn't in "our" group pic.
> Chris Woolf
> 
> 
> On 01/11/2019 17:39, David Beer via Tech1 wrote:
>> Bernie, I think the sideways chap went under the nickname of Django, as in Reinhardt the jazz guitarist, as he was a great fan and guitar player. Can't remember his proper name or what happened to him. He featured in our end of course programme. 
>> PS. Glad you won't be using that picture!
>> Dave
>> On 01/11/2019 11:52, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote:
>>> I have to give a small lecture and am looking for a CV picture or two. I found this, though I won't be using it - 
>>> 
>>> <jckdklkaijmpnpng.png>
>>> 
>>> TO25 at Evesham - Chris Woolf, John Nottage, Ray Williams (at back), me, Dave Beer. I don't know who the sideways chap is.  And whatever happened to Ray Williams, who owned a Morris Traveller in which we went to Wales one weekend?
>>> 
>>> B
>>> 
>> 
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From rogerbunce at btinternet.com  Fri Nov  1 14:50:10 2019
From: rogerbunce at btinternet.com (ROGER BUNCE)
Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2019 19:50:10 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: John Lintern
In-Reply-To: <3997e86e-fac0-8922-cc70-599367d42b41@ntlworld.com>
References: <547A982C-F1AE-46DD-B52C-D812BE618F63@gmail.com>
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 Sorry to hear about John. He was the acting Senior Cameraman on Crew 11, when I arrived there, as a very junior oink. Shorty afterwards he was promoted to the substantive grade, although he was not the most senior applicant. The crew were working on some big L.E. shows, like 'The Billy Cotton Band Show' (it seemed big at the time!), but also some nice little drama serials, with directors like Gerry Blake and Paddy Russell. John's wife Pam was Paddy's P.A. at the time. He gave me some of my first responsible jobs - my first ped on a drama, and swinging him on the mole, at TVT, on Billy Cotton (Yes, we crashed him into the balcony, on day one, but he was amazingly forgiving!)
Does anyone have a photo of John? The 'Doctor Who' people were asking about him recently, and Toby Hadoke will probably want to include him in his annual obituary for people who worked on the programme.
luv, Rog.

    On Friday, 1 November 2019, 17:05:27 GMT, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:  
 
   From John Cavacuiti - 
 
 
 -------- Forwarded Message -------- 
| Subject:  | John Lintern |
| Date:  | Fri, 1 Nov 2019 15:15:07 +0000 |
| From:  | John Cavaciuti <jcpcavaciuti at gmail.com> |
| To:  | bernard.newnham at ntlworld.com |

 
 
 Hi Bernie, 
  Google turned up the following: 
   
Tribute to John Lintern, 1933 - 2019
 
  https://john-lintern.muchloved.com  
  John's funeral service will be held at Cromer Crematorium on Thursday 20th June 2019 at 11am. Family flowers only, however donations for Dementia UK would be most welcome and may be given via the link provided on this page. 
The funeral was conducted by:Ivan Fisher Funeral Homes
 Coltishall is about 15 miles from Cromer so would appear to fit the circumstances.  
  John was number three cameraman on crew 11 when I?joined in September 1962. ?He mentioned one day that he had been?evacuated to my home town, Abertillery, ?a Weish valley mining town, during the war but didn?t elaborate or mention it again. 
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From geoffletch at gmail.com  Fri Nov  1 18:05:18 2019
From: geoffletch at gmail.com (Geoff Fletcher)
Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2019 23:05:18 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: John Lintern
In-Reply-To: <24b126af-6682-3315-917d-b1821fecf34f@gmail.com>
References: <EA6BBD84-1BF6-4102-B64D-C8D04CCAD36C@icloud.com>
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So sorry to hear about John. i was on his crew for several months back in
the late 60's. A good guy and Senior. They were good times. Wish I had
known he lived at Coltishall - its only a few miles from where I live.
Geoff F

On Fri, 1 Nov 2019 at 14:16, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
wrote:

> From Les Thorn -
>
>
> -------- Forwarded Message --------
> Subject: John Lintern
> Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2019 18:25:04 +0000
> From: Les Thorn <lesthorn89 at icloud.com> <lesthorn89 at icloud.com>
> To: Bernard Newnham <bernard.newnham at ntlworld.com>
> <bernard.newnham at ntlworld.com>
>
> Hi Bernie,
> I have just heard from someone we met recently on a cruise, that John
> Lintern died in May. He had not been well for some time.
> She had worked with him on the Parish Council and was hoping to put me in
> touch. Pam, his wife, still lives in Coltishall.
> Les
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From phider at gmx.com  Sat Nov  2 00:25:56 2019
From: phider at gmx.com (Mr P.J.Hider)
Date: Sat, 02 Nov 2019 05:25:56 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: John Lintern
Message-ID: <irbuqj4u4jx5ktpnb2k2tjbw.1572672356737@email.android.com>

I had a lot of time for John although, aside from working with him when I was on the Camera Pool, I was never on his crew. As a Camera Manager he was always a good listener especially when he wasn't supporting the column in Red or Blue Assembly accompanied by Messrs. Blair, Duley and Abbey.

 I worked a lot with his wife Pam on various series directed by Paddy Russell and remember her as very pleasant and efficient. If anyone is in contact with her I'm sure she'd be happy to provide a photo.

Are any of the Camera Managers left now? I last spoke to Tony Abbey when I offered him a lift to Ron Green's funeral, which he declined.

Best regards
Peter Hider

From ian.hillson at gmail.com  Sun Nov  3 07:24:42 2019
From: ian.hillson at gmail.com (Ian H)
Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2019 13:24:42 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Screen credits
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When I went for a voice test for a (failed!) continuity announcer
attachment, back in the days before I didn't have better things to
do, their "bible" said that you never talked over closing music with vocals
in it.  Now they seem to do it all the time.

Best I

On Wed, Oct 30, 2019 at 6:41 PM patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
wrote:

> The DG, Tony Hall went into print to assure technicians that their
> contribution should be suitably acknowledged. But the shrinking and indeed
> the voice overs, which must annoy the music composers, still happens.
>
> As to the film guys getting screen credits on TV programmes, I believe
> that this may be due to Union (ACT) insistence.
>
> In the Film industry, to where I transferred, I did get a few feature film
> credits for my contribution on the sound crews, not always though.
>
> Now that so much of the images are CGI, one ends up with a whole reel of
> the computer guys and gals!
>
> However I would always champion the inclusion of the Honey-Wagon driver
> (Mobile toilet vehicle) as, most importantly he is the first on location,
> and the last to leave!
>
> Frankly, the average viewer either for film or TV is not that interested,
> I think it?s more for us in the industry to see who was responsible!
>
> What follows are the phases of any project but very true in the TV and
> film industry ? particularly the last one!
>
>    1. Enthusiasm <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enthusiasm>,
>    2. Disillusionment,
>    3. Panic <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panic> and hysteria
>    <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_hysteria>,
>    4. Hunt for the guilty <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Culpability>,
>    5. Punishment of the innocent <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Innocence>,
>    and
>    6. Reward for the uninvolved.
>
> Best
>
> Pat
>
> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
> Windows 10
>
>
>
> *From: *Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> *Sent: *30 October 2019 15:30
> *To: *Tech-Ops-chit-chat <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> *Subject: *Re: [Tech1] Theatre 625 Talking to a Stranger
>
>
>
> In many ways the credits issue has got worse in recent years because
> continuity people shrink the frame and drastically drop the sound level
> once the credits are running so that they can show a graphic trailing
> what's coming up.  The habit of shrinking credits to 1/4 of the frame makes
> most of them illegible on a typical television.  It's the equivalent of
> getting up and rushing out of the cinema once the credits start running and
> I'm surprised that television continuity people can be so disrespectful
> towards other television people.
>
>
>
> The saving grace is that many of the more significant TV shows have
> entries in IMDB, where all crew can be credited, not just heads of
> departments and those credits are always available for anybody to see at
> any time.
>
>
>
> Alan Taylor
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Sun Nov  3 07:50:19 2019
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2019 13:50:19 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Screen credits
In-Reply-To: <CAO37+kYuzK2cFtVz7wkWPTugWoy0bVLxBR7AKG0cc2AKDFvHtw@mail.gmail.com>
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I was told that when I joined promotions. I did it anyway on trails - 
you just have to let the vocal get in first.

B

"You're watching... BBC1"



On 03/11/2019 13:24, Ian H via Tech1 wrote:
> When I went for a voice test for a (failed!) continuity announcer 
> attachment, back in the days before I didn't have better things to 
> do,?their?"bible" said that you never talked over closing music with 
> vocals in it.? Now they seem to do it all the time.
>
> Best I
>
> On Wed, Oct 30, 2019 at 6:41 PM patheigham via Tech1 
> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:
>
>     The DG, Tony Hall went into print to assure technicians that their
>     contribution should be suitably acknowledged. But the shrinking
>     and indeed the voice overs, which must annoy the music composers,
>     still happens.
>
>     As to the film guys getting screen credits on TV programmes, I
>     believe that this may be due to Union (ACT) insistence.
>
>     In the Film industry, to where I transferred, I did get a few
>     feature film credits for my contribution on the sound crews, not
>     always though.
>
>     Now that so much of the images are CGI, one ends up with a whole
>     reel of the computer guys and gals!
>
>     However I would always champion the inclusion of the Honey-Wagon
>     driver (Mobile toilet vehicle) as, most importantly he is the
>     first on location, and the last to leave!
>
>     Frankly, the average viewer either for film or TV is not that
>     interested, I think it?s more for us in the industry to see who
>     was responsible!
>
>     What follows are the phases of any project but very true in the TV
>     and film industry ? particularly the last one!
>
>      1. Enthusiasm <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enthusiasm>,
>      2. Disillusionment,
>      3. Panic <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panic> and hysteria
>         <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_hysteria>,
>      4. Hunt for the guilty <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Culpability>,
>      5. Punishment of the innocent
>         <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Innocence>, and
>      6. Reward for the uninvolved.
>
>     Best
>
>     Pat
>
>     Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986>
>     for Windows 10
>
>     *From: *Alan Taylor via Tech1 <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
>     *Sent: *30 October 2019 15:30
>     *To: *Tech-Ops-chit-chat <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
>     *Subject: *Re: [Tech1] Theatre 625 Talking to a Stranger
>
>     In many ways the credits issue has got worse in recent years
>     because continuity people shrink the frame and drastically drop
>     the sound level once the credits are running so that they can show
>     a graphic trailing what's coming up.? The habit of shrinking
>     credits to 1/4 of the frame makes most of them illegible on a
>     typical television.? It's the equivalent of getting up and rushing
>     out of the cinema once the credits start running and I'm surprised
>     that television continuity people can be so disrespectful towards
>     other television people.
>
>     The saving grace is that many of the more significant TV shows
>     have entries in IMDB, where all crew can be credited, not just
>     heads of departments and those credits are always available for
>     anybody to see at any time.
>
>     Alan Taylor
>
>
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From dave at davesound.co.uk  Mon Nov  4 05:15:00 2019
From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman)
Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2019 11:15:00 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Tech1] Screen credits
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In article
<CAO37+kYuzK2cFtVz7wkWPTugWoy0bVLxBR7AKG0cc2AKDFvHtw at mail.gmail.com>,
   Ian H via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> When I went for a voice test for a (failed!) continuity announcer
> attachment, back in the days before I didn't have better things to
> do, their "bible" said that you never talked over closing music with vocals
> in it.  Now they seem to do it all the time.

I'd thought most of these now pre-record. And simply played in on auto,
using time code or whatever to trigger them? With zero skill used on where
to fade down the closing music and fade it up again?

-- 
*Shin: a device for finding furniture in the dark *

    Dave Plowman     dave at davesound.co.uk     London SW 12
    


From jpn at imixmics.co.uk  Mon Nov  4 10:15:40 2019
From: jpn at imixmics.co.uk (John Nottage)
Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2019 16:15:40 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Photo hunting
In-Reply-To: <53C162F1-AE64-4738-B7E7-E6DCD7267D16@ukgateway.net>
References: <4995c581-3ab6-3c5c-a082-cee5e4ded734@gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <704eb3f4-f63e-ddb6-1764-f6b597deda09@imixmics.co.uk>

I remember Django too, mainly because he introduced me to Django 
Reinhardt - I still have the copy of his disc I made during TO25.

I seem to have a TO25 regions photo (attached), but not Radio.

John

On 01/11/2019 19:27, Robin Sutherland via Tech1 wrote:
> Anyone out there got TO25 course photos of the ?other? bits of the 
> course, Radio and Regions?
> 
> I have the Television one but it would help my ailing memory to recall 
> names and faces.
> 
> I do recall Django but also can?t recall his real name or much about him.
> 
> There was also mention of TO25 on a recent post about BH Control Room on 
> The BBC Alumni Facebook page by a Keith Waugh who said he was on it.
> 
> Seems to ring a very distant bell. Someone had an immaculate Austin A90 
> Atlantic car, could have been him?
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Robin S
> 
>> On 1 Nov 2019, at 17:42, Chris Woolf via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk 
>> <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:
>>
>> We concur!
>>
>> I think Django was on the Regions side of things which is why he isn't 
>> in "our" group pic.
>>
>> Chris Woolf
>>
>>
>> On 01/11/2019 17:39, David Beer via Tech1 wrote:
>>>
>>> Bernie, I think the sideways chap went under the nickname of Django, 
>>> as in Reinhardt the jazz guitarist, as he was a great fan and guitar 
>>> player. Can't remember his proper name or what happened to him. He 
>>> featured in our end of course programme.
>>>
>>> PS. Glad you won't be using that picture!
>>>
>>> Dave
>>>
>>> On 01/11/2019 11:52, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote:
>>>> I have to give a small lecture and am looking for a CV picture or 
>>>> two. I found this, though I won't be using it -
>>>>
>>>> <jckdklkaijmpnpng.png>
>>>>
>>>> TO25 at Evesham - Chris Woolf, John Nottage, Ray Williams (at back), 
>>>> me, Dave Beer. I don't know who the sideways chap is. And whatever 
>>>> happened to Ray Williams, who owned a Morris Traveller in which we 
>>>> went to Wales one weekend?
>>>>
>>>> B
>>>>
>>>
>>
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From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk  Mon Nov  4 11:16:38 2019
From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf)
Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2019 17:16:38 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Photo hunting
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Ah yes.

Derek Burgoyne - old Riley. I'd forgotten he was a Regions man. I met up 
with him again at TSW doing Pres.

Chris


On 04/11/2019 16:15, John Nottage via Tech1 wrote:
> I remember Django too, mainly because he introduced me to Django 
> Reinhardt - I still have the copy of his disc I made during TO25.
>
> I seem to have a TO25 regions photo (attached), but not Radio.
>
> John
>
> On 01/11/2019 19:27, Robin Sutherland via Tech1 wrote:
>> Anyone out there got TO25 course photos of the ?other? bits of the 
>> course, Radio and Regions?
>>
>> I have the Television one but it would help my ailing memory to 
>> recall names and faces.
>>
>> I do recall Django but also can?t recall his real name or much about 
>> him.
>>
>> There was also mention of TO25 on a recent post about BH Control Room 
>> on The BBC Alumni Facebook page by a Keith Waugh who said he was on it.
>>
>> Seems to ring a very distant bell. Someone had an immaculate Austin 
>> A90 Atlantic car, could have been him?
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Robin S
>>
>>> On 1 Nov 2019, at 17:42, Chris Woolf via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk 
>>> <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:
>>>
>>> We concur!
>>>
>>> I think Django was on the Regions side of things which is why he 
>>> isn't in "our" group pic.
>>>
>>> Chris Woolf
>>>
>>>
>>> On 01/11/2019 17:39, David Beer via Tech1 wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Bernie, I think the sideways chap went under the nickname of 
>>>> Django, as in Reinhardt the jazz guitarist, as he was a great fan 
>>>> and guitar player. Can't remember his proper name or what happened 
>>>> to him. He featured in our end of course programme.
>>>>
>>>> PS. Glad you won't be using that picture!
>>>>
>>>> Dave
>>>>
>>>> On 01/11/2019 11:52, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote:
>>>>> I have to give a small lecture and am looking for a CV picture or 
>>>>> two. I found this, though I won't be using it -
>>>>>
>>>>> <jckdklkaijmpnpng.png>
>>>>>
>>>>> TO25 at Evesham - Chris Woolf, John Nottage, Ray Williams (at 
>>>>> back), me, Dave Beer. I don't know who the sideways chap is. And 
>>>>> whatever happened to Ray Williams, who owned a Morris Traveller in 
>>>>> which we went to Wales one weekend?
>>>>>
>>>>> B
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Mon Nov  4 14:45:32 2019
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2019 20:45:32 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Photo hunting
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Barry Wilkinson was on this this, but I think he took himself off.

B



On 04/11/2019 16:15, John Nottage via Tech1 wrote:
> I remember Django too, mainly because he introduced me to Django 
> Reinhardt - I still have the copy of his disc I made during TO25.
>
> I seem to have a TO25 regions photo (attached), but not Radio.
>
> John
>
> On 01/11/2019 19:27, Robin Sutherland via Tech1 wrote:
>> Anyone out there got TO25 course photos of the ?other? bits of the 
>> course, Radio and Regions?
>>
>> I have the Television one but it would help my ailing memory to 
>> recall names and faces.
>>
>> I do recall Django but also can?t recall his real name or much about 
>> him.
>>
>> There was also mention of TO25 on a recent post about BH Control Room 
>> on The BBC Alumni Facebook page by a Keith Waugh who said he was on it.
>>
>> Seems to ring a very distant bell. Someone had an immaculate Austin 
>> A90 Atlantic car, could have been him?
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Robin S
>>
>>> On 1 Nov 2019, at 17:42, Chris Woolf via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk 
>>> <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:
>>>
>>> We concur!
>>>
>>> I think Django was on the Regions side of things which is why he 
>>> isn't in "our" group pic.
>>>
>>> Chris Woolf
>>>
>>>
>>> On 01/11/2019 17:39, David Beer via Tech1 wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Bernie, I think the sideways chap went under the nickname of 
>>>> Django, as in Reinhardt the jazz guitarist, as he was a great fan 
>>>> and guitar player. Can't remember his proper name or what happened 
>>>> to him. He featured in our end of course programme.
>>>>
>>>> PS. Glad you won't be using that picture!
>>>>
>>>> Dave
>>>>
>>>> On 01/11/2019 11:52, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote:
>>>>> I have to give a small lecture and am looking for a CV picture or 
>>>>> two. I found this, though I won't be using it -
>>>>>
>>>>> <jckdklkaijmpnpng.png>
>>>>>
>>>>> TO25 at Evesham - Chris Woolf, John Nottage, Ray Williams (at 
>>>>> back), me, Dave Beer. I don't know who the sideways chap is. And 
>>>>> whatever happened to Ray Williams, who owned a Morris Traveller in 
>>>>> which we went to Wales one weekend?
>>>>>
>>>>> B
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
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From alawrance1 at me.com  Mon Nov  4 14:54:34 2019
From: alawrance1 at me.com (Alasdair Lawrance)
Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2019 20:54:34 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] New request
Message-ID: <E4514603-A113-4EDE-AE75-8F96B22366D7@me.com>

Can anyone in this august group offer advice on the proper way to set up a domestic 5.1 system,  please?   I?m looking for an authoritative guide to (sensible) best practice.

For example, is a sound bar a reasonable substitute for a room that isn?t ideal, in size or listening position?

I?ve had a look on the internet and can?t find anything that could be recommended.

Alasdair Lawrance

Don?t blame me, I voted Remain.





From ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com  Mon Nov  4 15:06:41 2019
From: ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com (Albert Barber)
Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2019 21:06:41 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] New request
In-Reply-To: <E4514603-A113-4EDE-AE75-8F96B22366D7@me.com>
References: <E4514603-A113-4EDE-AE75-8F96B22366D7@me.com>
Message-ID: <88520667-A6CB-4553-9FFB-83CFAD409AF0@btinternet.com>

https://m.wikihow.com/Hook-up-Surround-Sound




> On 4 Nov 2019, at 20:54, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Can anyone in this august group offer advice on the proper way to set up a domestic 5.1 system,  please?   I?m looking for an authoritative guide to (sensible) best practice.
> 
> For example, is a sound bar a reasonable substitute for a room that isn?t ideal, in size or listening position?
> 
> I?ve had a look on the internet and can?t find anything that could be recommended.
> 
> Alasdair Lawrance
> 
> Don?t blame me, I voted Remain.
> 
> 
> 
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From robin.sutherland at ukgateway.net  Mon Nov  4 15:58:36 2019
From: robin.sutherland at ukgateway.net (Robin Sutherland)
Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2019 21:58:36 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Photo hunting
In-Reply-To: <e01d9182-dfb0-452c-b8bf-101407b445b7@ntlworld.com>
References: <4995c581-3ab6-3c5c-a082-cee5e4ded734@gmail.com>
	<e04d1272-5e7d-60ba-c004-67645457d30e@talktalk.net>
	<8fb53d72-3898-ed34-f079-bd5a9e9196f3@chriswoolf.co.uk>
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Thanks for the TO 25 photo John, lots of familiar faces. I met Barry W when I attended Mike McDonald?s funeral last year. He left BBC Manchester ages ago for I think Granada. First time I?d seen him since TO 25.
Jack Martin was a SS in Manchester who I worked with in the latter days of OBs, Chris Warner left BBC Glasgow for Yorkshire, Peter McNaughton and Ken Gow were BBC Scotland. Ken moved around a bit to Manchester and ended up as PSC in Aberdeen. I?m still in touch with him.  Bill Graham failed the course, shame as he was a really nice guy. Tony Maslen went to Bristol and then OBs at Kendal Ave. I?m still in touch, he runs his own facilities set up and I?ve worked for him over the years.

Just need to turn up a photo of the Radio bit of the course to complete the picture.

Cheers

Robin S

> On 4 Nov 2019, at 20:45, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Barry Wilkinson was on this this, but I think he took himself off.
> 
> B
> 
> 
> 
> On 04/11/2019 16:15, John Nottage via Tech1 wrote:
>> I remember Django too, mainly because he introduced me to Django Reinhardt - I still have the copy of his disc I made during TO25. 
>> 
>> I seem to have a TO25 regions photo (attached), but not Radio. 
>> 
>> John 
>> 
>> On 01/11/2019 19:27, Robin Sutherland via Tech1 wrote: 
>>> Anyone out there got TO25 course photos of the ?other? bits of the course, Radio and Regions? 
>>> 
>>> I have the Television one but it would help my ailing memory to recall names and faces. 
>>> 
>>> I do recall Django but also can?t recall his real name or much about him. 
>>> 
>>> There was also mention of TO25 on a recent post about BH Control Room on The BBC Alumni Facebook page by a Keith Waugh who said he was on it. 
>>> 
>>> Seems to ring a very distant bell. Someone had an immaculate Austin A90 Atlantic car, could have been him? 
>>> 
>>> Cheers 
>>> 
>>> Robin S 
>>> 
>>>> On 1 Nov 2019, at 17:42, Chris Woolf via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote: 
>>>> 
>>>> We concur! 
>>>> 
>>>> I think Django was on the Regions side of things which is why he isn't in "our" group pic. 
>>>> 
>>>> Chris Woolf 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On 01/11/2019 17:39, David Beer via Tech1 wrote: 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Bernie, I think the sideways chap went under the nickname of Django, as in Reinhardt the jazz guitarist, as he was a great fan and guitar player. Can't remember his proper name or what happened to him. He featured in our end of course programme. 
>>>>> 
>>>>> PS. Glad you won't be using that picture! 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Dave 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 01/11/2019 11:52, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: 
>>>>>> I have to give a small lecture and am looking for a CV picture or two. I found this, though I won't be using it - 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> <jckdklkaijmpnpng.png> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> TO25 at Evesham - Chris Woolf, John Nottage, Ray Williams (at back), me, Dave Beer. I don't know who the sideways chap is. And whatever happened to Ray Williams, who owned a Morris Traveller in which we went to Wales one weekend? 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> B 
>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
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From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk  Tue Nov  5 04:35:09 2019
From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf)
Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2019 10:35:09 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] New request
In-Reply-To: <E4514603-A113-4EDE-AE75-8F96B22366D7@me.com>
References: <E4514603-A113-4EDE-AE75-8F96B22366D7@me.com>
Message-ID: <b034425d-4beb-4dc7-fae5-3f46583faf16@chriswoolf.co.uk>

Albert's pointer is excellent.

But don't expect everything to be perfect. 5.1 isn't the greatest of 
acoustic arrangements to provide multiple stereo images (which is what 
that sort of surround really is). It's very much a compromise that 
translates best to cinema-style use. It also tends only to work for a 
very small sweet spot.

As soon as you get untreated, irregular small rooms the "mess" of 
reflections from walls, ceiling, floor, furniture etc means that 
accurate imaging becomes impossible. You ~will~ get some sort of 
envelopment, and it may sound more interesting, but don't expect too 
much else.

That is without taking account of how the surround signal was prepared 
in the first place. Not every source is generated with the care and 
skill that surround sound really requires. If you are lucky you ~might~ 
find that speech is a little more intelligible because the ambient sound 
is (or should be) provided by the various L & R speakers rather than 
being mixed into the front one(s) where it tends to muddy the dialogue.

Chris W

On 04/11/2019 20:54, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 wrote:
> Can anyone in this august group offer advice on the proper way to set up a domestic 5.1 system,  please?   I?m looking for an authoritative guide to (sensible) best practice.
>
> For example, is a sound bar a reasonable substitute for a room that isn?t ideal, in size or listening position?
>
> I?ve had a look on the internet and can?t find anything that could be recommended.
>
> Alasdair Lawrance
>
> Don?t blame me, I voted Remain.
>
>
>
>

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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Tue Nov  5 09:21:57 2019
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2019 15:21:57 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] News at One
Message-ID: <8abad0a4-bd44-67a7-5ff8-2e0cd593c391@gmail.com>

For those who worked at Caernarfon on the investiture all those years 
ago, the BBC News at One would like to demonstrate what your pictures 
looked like, at around 29..00

https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m000b2p0/bbc-news-at-one-05112019

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From mikej at bmanor.co.uk  Tue Nov  5 10:51:29 2019
From: mikej at bmanor.co.uk (Mike Jordan)
Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2019 16:51:29 -0000
Subject: [Tech1] News at One - Investiture 1969
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I was in London Switching Centre for this. As ever in BBC ?old days? we had main and spare vision routes via Great Ormes Head to Manchester and south via LLanddona to Cardiff.
Unfortunately someone guyed the aerial tower to the Landrover to stabilise it in case of winds, left the key in it and the rigger offered to go into town for supplies and drove off pulling the tower over!
It was quite an early colour transmission so a colour monitor was installed specially in a BH corridor for people to see.

Incidentally I like the shots on the News item which show big green screens behind the audience so that they can record with a minimal extras and insert more later ? clever eh?

Mike

Mike

From: Bernard Newnham via Tech1 
Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2019 3:21 PM
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk 
Subject: [Tech1] News at One

For those who worked at Caernarfon on the investiture all those years ago, the BBC News at One would like to demonstrate what your pictures looked like, at around 29..00

https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m000b2p0/bbc-news-at-one-05112019

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From mail at terrymeadowcroft.co.uk  Tue Nov  5 11:10:06 2019
From: mail at terrymeadowcroft.co.uk (terrymeadowcroft)
Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2019 17:10:06 -0000
Subject: [Tech1] Fw:  New request
Message-ID: <8B3BED12FF8D43F78E8A16DD50AF69E9@MEDDIES2012>

Sorry, I forgot to send to the list:


> Hello Alasdair,
>
> Proper "surround sound" from a sound bar is an impossibility. The 
> "surround" effects depend entirely on reflections from the room 
> boundaries, which are a total unknown in terms of reflectivity and shape.
>
> 5.1 surround proper requires speakers to the front and rear and centre, 
> arranged correctly according to where they need to be, to 'speak' to you 
> from front left and right, rear left and right, and centre front; any 
> 'other ways of trying to get accurate 5.1 surround are doomed to fail, 
> depending, as they do, upon reflections from unknown room boundaries.
>
> I am sure you can get the information you require by entering 'dolby 
> surround' or something similar on a web search.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Terry
>
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> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1" <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> To: "Tech Ops List" <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> Sent: Monday, November 04, 2019 8:54 PM
> Subject: [Tech1] New request
>
>
>> Can anyone in this august group offer advice on the proper way to set up 
>> a domestic 5.1 system,  please?   I?m looking for an authoritative guide 
>> to (sensible) best practice.
>>
>> For example, is a sound bar a reasonable substitute for a room that isn?t 
>> ideal, in size or listening position?
>>
>> I?ve had a look on the internet and can?t find anything that could be 
>> recommended.
>>
>> Alasdair Lawrance
>>
>> Don?t blame me, I voted Remain.
>>
>>
>>
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From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com  Tue Nov  5 12:00:06 2019
From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray)
Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2019 18:00:06 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] A Car cutout and glue Vinten heron Camera Crane
Message-ID: <4031b8e5-a77a-1d44-3f66-f10e5fef7009@gmail.com>

Hello all,

Bernie has produced a lovely kit for the Vinten HP ped and EMI 2001 
colour camera.

To complement this kit, there is a card cut-out Vinten Heron crane to 
the same scale.? However, Bernie and I think that the construction is 
too complicated to offer for sale to the general public.? With Bernie's 
permission, the construction sheets and Instruction booklet are now 
available on the Tech Ops site for anyone here who would like to try 
their hand at building one (should be easy for the aeroplane and railway 
modellers!).

All that we ask is that if you like it, please give a donation to your 
favourite Cancer or Heart charity.? And if you make a model, please sent 
a photo of it to me, at alec.bray.2 at gmail.com.? We might in time publish 
the results!

(PS:? as some of you know, I found at least three different dimensions 
reported? for some Heron parts in different Vinten publications, so I 
can't guarantee that it is an EXACT scale model.It is as close as I can 
get currently.)

Here is where you can find the construction materials:

http://tech-ops.co.uk/next/vinten-heron-cutout-card-model-1-12-scale/

or

http://tech-ops.co.uk/next/?page_id=9325


(hmm - got to sort out the sidebar...)


Here is a flyer for the card cut-out Heron Crane:



Enjoy!


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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Wed Nov  6 04:49:54 2019
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2019 10:49:54 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] A Car cutout and glue Vinten heron Camera Crane
In-Reply-To: <4031b8e5-a77a-1d44-3f66-f10e5fef7009@gmail.com>
References: <4031b8e5-a77a-1d44-3f66-f10e5fef7009@gmail.com>
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Alec,
What a beautifully drawn kit for the Heron ? I?m full of admiration!
As a small boy I used to assemble Micromodels of locomotives, needing a very fine, sharp Xacto knife and balsa cement (Oh-My in a black and yellow tube), finishing with several coats of banana oil. I don?t think I?ve got the patience or skill to do so now, but hoping that someone will have a go!
When at boarding prep school, I built a puppet theatre, with torch bulb lighting, and also the puppets for which my mum made costumes.
At some time I was sent home with chickenpox, as no-one wanted it to spread throughout the school. The headmaster (who was not averse to beating us small boys on our behinds) exhibited a moment of compassion, sending his car for me to attend a visit from a professional puppet show (I was beyond the infectious stage).Maybe the seed of showbiz was nurtured then, eventually leading to a career with the BBC and the Film Industry.
Some time ago, I hankered after building a Mississippi stern-wheeler,
possibly steam driven, with a player inside, replaying tracks of the B & W Minstrels, having worked happily on that show from the TVT in the 60s. Now it cannot be mentioned.
I recall one show (can?t remember what) involving clowns chucking water around (as they do!). This started to wash off the blue floor paint, and the resulting skating rink caused problems for the Heron, as it couldn?t obtain traction, crab mode or otherwise!
Best regards
Pat

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Alec Bray via Tech1
Sent: 05 November 2019 18:00
To: TechOps Forum
Subject: [Tech1] A Car cutout and glue Vinten heron Camera Crane

Hello all,
Bernie has produced a lovely kit for the Vinten HP ped and EMI 2001 colour camera.
To complement this kit, there is a card cut-out Vinten Heron crane to the same scale.? However, Bernie and I think that the construction is too complicated to offer for sale to the general public.? With Bernie's permission, the construction sheets and Instruction booklet are now available on the Tech Ops site for anyone here who would like to try their hand at building one (should be easy for the aeroplane and railway modellers!).
All that we ask is that if you like it, please give a donation to your favourite Cancer or Heart charity.? And if you make a model, please sent a photo of it to me, at alec.bray.2 at gmail.com.? We might in time publish the results!
(PS:? as some of you know, I found at least three different dimensions reported? for some Heron parts in different Vinten publications, so I can't guarantee that it is an EXACT scale model.It is as close as I can get currently.)
Here is where you can find the construction materials:
http://tech-ops.co.uk/next/vinten-heron-cutout-card-model-1-12-scale/
or
http://tech-ops.co.uk/next/?page_id=9325
Enjoy!
Best Regards

Alec

Alec Bray

alec.bray.2 at gmail.com
mob:    07789 561 346
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From alanaudio at me.com  Wed Nov  6 08:20:33 2019
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2019 14:20:33 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] A Car cutout and glue Vinten heron Camera Crane
In-Reply-To: <5dc2a551.1c69fb81.356fb.d3d7@mx.google.com>
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Do any of the OB folks remember the crew of CMCR4, the first type II colour scanner, distributing a cardboard cutout replica of the scanner as a unit Christmas card one year?

I can?t remember who actually created it but I do remember seeing at least one made up version surviving on a shelf in an office for many years. 

Alan Taylor



On 6 Nov 2019, at 6 Nov . 10:49, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

> Alec,
> What a beautifully drawn kit for the Heron ? I?m full of admiration!
> As a small boy I used to assemble Micromodels of locomotives, needing a very fine, sharp Xacto knife and balsa cement (Oh-My in a black and yellow tube), finishing with several coats of banana oil. I don?t think I?ve got the patience or skill to do so now, but hoping that someone will have a go!
> When at boarding prep school, I built a puppet theatre, with torch bulb lighting, and also the puppets for which my mum made costumes.
> At some time I was sent home with chickenpox, as no-one wanted it to spread throughout the school. The headmaster (who was not averse to beating us small boys on our behinds) exhibited a moment of compassion, sending his car for me to attend a visit from a professional puppet show (I was beyond the infectious stage).Maybe the seed of showbiz was nurtured then, eventually leading to a career with the BBC and the Film Industry.
> Some time ago, I hankered after building a Mississippi stern-wheeler,
> possibly steam driven, with a player inside, replaying tracks of the B & W Minstrels, having worked happily on that show from the TVT in the 60s. Now it cannot be mentioned.
> I recall one show (can?t remember what) involving clowns chucking water around (as they do!). This started to wash off the blue floor paint, and the resulting skating rink caused problems for the Heron, as it couldn?t obtain traction, crab mode or otherwise!
> Best regards
> Pat
>  
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>  
> From: Alec Bray via Tech1
> Sent: 05 November 2019 18:00
> To: TechOps Forum
> Subject: [Tech1] A Car cutout and glue Vinten heron Camera Crane
>  
> Hello all,
> 
> Bernie has produced a lovely kit for the Vinten HP ped and EMI 2001 colour camera.
> 
> To complement this kit, there is a card cut-out Vinten Heron crane to the same scale.  However, Bernie and I think that the construction is too complicated to offer for sale to the general public.  With Bernie's permission, the construction sheets and Instruction booklet are now available on the Tech Ops site for anyone here who would like to try their hand at building one (should be easy for the aeroplane and railway modellers!).
> 
> All that we ask is that if you like it, please give a donation to your favourite Cancer or Heart charity.  And if you make a model, please sent a photo of it to me, atalec.bray.2 at gmail.com.  We might in time publish the results!
> 
> (PS:  as some of you know, I found at least three different dimensions reported  for some Heron parts in different Vinten publications, so I can't guarantee that it is an EXACT scale model.It is as close as I can get currently.)
> 
> Here is where you can find the construction materials:
> 
> http://tech-ops.co.uk/next/vinten-heron-cutout-card-model-1-12-scale/
> 
> or
> 
> http://tech-ops.co.uk/next/?page_id=9325
> 
> Enjoy!
> 
> Best Regards
>  
> Alec
>  
> Alec Bray
>  
> alec.bray.2 at gmail.com
> mob:    07789 561 346
> home:   0118 981 7502
>  
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From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net  Wed Nov  6 14:24:47 2019
From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt)
Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2019 20:24:47 -0000
Subject: [Tech1] Nostalgia
Message-ID: <C8A86D52CA1C41B8AF22EE0294C58CFB@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>

One of the great pleasures I have enjoyed since joining this forum has been the opportunity to see so many photographs from the 60s & 70s. Where they include many faces I find typically I instantly identify a proportion of them, add to the list with a lot of head scratching then fail badly with the remainder. It is this last group that sends me off on Google hunts, the results of which at times stir up synapses and have me realising that, after all, I do have a recollection.

One that has particularly engaged me recently is on the pre-Wordspace site index at page 47, a photo posted by John Holmes from 1962 (the year I joined Tech Ops). It is a remarkable collection of the movers and shakers from the Light Entertainment world of the era. John describes it as ?memorable? which if anything is an understatement. He provides a list of the just short of 60 subjects across 7 rows (just a few with identity as ?)  and it reads like the Who?s who of the era. I did however find dotting back and forth from photo to key had me losing the thread so I took the liberty of saving the photo to my PC and annotating the individuals for easier analysis. Many of you will perhaps not have re-visited the post for some time so I am attaching my effort for any that care to do so now.

In many cases, even where I instantly recognised the face, I googled to get a broader picture of the particular career. Robin Nash was one where the info that came to light came as a complete surprise to me ? he was apparently born Robert Henry Douglas Drane but adopted the name Robin for some reason plus the surname Nash which was his mother?s maiden name. I gather her side of the family had show-biz connections but whether that signified or not I didn?t discover.

Just a small point ? the key for 5th row shows three ?unidentified? between Pauline Kay and Colin Farnell but It looks as though this should only be two.

So there we are, so many people whose contribution is undoubted ? many of them no longer with us but definitely not forgotten.

Dave Newbitt.

PS. While I?m on the topic of memory jogging, this is me at line up time and yes, I could actually drive one of those things!

 
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From geoffletch at gmail.com  Thu Nov  7 02:44:54 2019
From: geoffletch at gmail.com (Geoff Fletcher)
Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2019 08:44:54 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Nostalgia
In-Reply-To: <C8A86D52CA1C41B8AF22EE0294C58CFB@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>
References: <C8A86D52CA1C41B8AF22EE0294C58CFB@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>
Message-ID: <CAB99AB_mmLNWkfteKsbtPZ=w2bZ4uAqO-Ce7g8kFSXJfcR9S7A@mail.gmail.com>

Brilliant bit of work Dave. Well done!
Geoff F

On Wed, 6 Nov 2019 at 20:25, David Newbitt via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
wrote:

> One of the great pleasures I have enjoyed since joining this forum has
> been the opportunity to see so many photographs from the 60s & 70s. Where
> they include many faces I find typically I instantly identify a proportion
> of them, add to the list with a lot of head scratching then fail badly with
> the remainder. It is this last group that sends me off on Google hunts, the
> results of which at times stir up synapses and have me realising that,
> after all, I do have a recollection.
>
> One that has particularly engaged me recently is on the pre-Wordspace site
> index at page 47, a photo posted by John Holmes from 1962 (the year I
> joined Tech Ops). It is a remarkable collection of the movers and shakers
> from the Light Entertainment world of the era. John describes it as
> ?memorable? which if anything is an understatement. He provides a list of
> the just short of 60 subjects across 7 rows (just a few with identity as
> ?)  and it reads like the Who?s who of the era. I did however find dotting
> back and forth from photo to key had me losing the thread so I took the
> liberty of saving the photo to my PC and annotating the individuals for
> easier analysis. Many of you will perhaps not have re-visited the post for
> some time so I am attaching my effort for any that care to do so now.
>
> In many cases, even where I instantly recognised the face, I googled to
> get a broader picture of the particular career. Robin Nash was one where
> the info that came to light came as a complete surprise to me ? he was
> apparently born Robert Henry Douglas Drane but adopted the name Robin for
> some reason plus the surname Nash which was his mother?s maiden name. I
> gather her side of the family had show-biz connections but whether that
> signified or not I didn?t discover.
>
> Just a small point ? the key for 5th row shows three ?unidentified?
> between Pauline Kay and Colin Farnell but It looks as though this should
> only be two.
>
> So there we are, so many people whose contribution is undoubted ? many of
> them no longer with us but definitely not forgotten.
>
> Dave Newbitt.
>
> PS. While I?m on the topic of memory jogging, this is me at line up time
> and yes, I could actually drive one of those things!
>
> [image: Mid 1960's on a Pedalo boom]
>
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From graeme.wall at icloud.com  Thu Nov  7 03:55:56 2019
From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall)
Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2019 09:55:56 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Wood Norton then and now
Message-ID: <87CA0AAA-878F-4DBA-95D0-F87F166C7F0B@icloud.com>

Found a photo I took at Wood Norton in 1969, contrasted with one I took earlier his year from almost the same spot. The old one was from a half-frame slide shot on an Olympus Pen EE. At least I learnt something about headroom on the course|

? 
Graeme Wall


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From waresound at msn.com  Thu Nov  7 04:10:40 2019
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2019 10:10:40 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Wood Norton then and now
In-Reply-To: <87CA0AAA-878F-4DBA-95D0-F87F166C7F0B@icloud.com>
References: <87CA0AAA-878F-4DBA-95D0-F87F166C7F0B@icloud.com>
Message-ID: <VI1P192MB0271DF0F5A60383BA50A5556A7780@VI1P192MB0271.EURP192.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

It looks a bit sorry for itself in 1969. Much better with top floor rebuilt. Nice pix.
Nick.

Sent from my iPad mini 5

On 7 Nov 2019, at 09:56, Graeme Wall via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

? Found a photo I took at Wood Norton in 1969, contrasted with one I took earlier his year from almost the same spot. The old one was from a half-frame slide shot on an Olympus Pen EE. At least I learnt something about headroom on the course|

?
Graeme Wall


1969:

[cid:F683C894-E017-40C8-8B69-9792B29FF87D at home]

2019:

[cid:90460A75-BDDE-4A22-93CA-3380F5729F98 at home]
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From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net  Thu Nov  7 05:00:26 2019
From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt)
Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2019 11:00:26 -0000
Subject: [Tech1] Nostalgia
In-Reply-To: <CAB99AB_mmLNWkfteKsbtPZ=w2bZ4uAqO-Ce7g8kFSXJfcR9S7A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <C8A86D52CA1C41B8AF22EE0294C58CFB@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>
	<CAB99AB_mmLNWkfteKsbtPZ=w2bZ4uAqO-Ce7g8kFSXJfcR9S7A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1947668D592D4AD48D47027E9060942A@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>

Thanks Geoff, much appreciated.

I had intended, but forgot, to include particular mention of Harry Rabinowitz (Harry ?Rab?). I remember him so well from working on a multitude of TVT shows where he was composer/arranger/conductor ? the absolute master of his calling. At the time of the photograph he was Music Director Light Entertainment, hence his inclusion. How different the music world was then. Session musicians that mostly the public knew nothing of, certainly not their names, yet they were mostly brilliant beyond praise. What a privilege to have seen over and over again a group of players arrive in the orch. room at TVT or the TOTP studio, sit down and sight read previously unseen material and execute it faultlessly from the first playing. 

As often as not the violinist Alec Firman was leader and, of course, ?fixer? (in consultation with Harry Rab). When did that system fall into disuse?

Harry lived to 100 and was and had been working well into his eighties.

Dave Newbitt.

From: Geoff Fletcher 
Sent: Thursday, November 7, 2019 8:44 AM
To: David Newbitt 
Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk 
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Nostalgia

Brilliant bit of work Dave. Well done!
Geoff F

On Wed, 6 Nov 2019 at 20:25, David Newbitt via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

  One of the great pleasures I have enjoyed since joining this forum has been the opportunity to see so many photographs from the 60s & 70s. Where they include many faces I find typically I instantly identify a proportion of them, add to the list with a lot of head scratching then fail badly with the remainder. It is this last group that sends me off on Google hunts, the results of which at times stir up synapses and have me realising that, after all, I do have a recollection.

  One that has particularly engaged me recently is on the pre-Wordspace site index at page 47, a photo posted by John Holmes from 1962 (the year I joined Tech Ops). It is a remarkable collection of the movers and shakers from the Light Entertainment world of the era. John describes it as ?memorable? which if anything is an understatement. He provides a list of the just short of 60 subjects across 7 rows (just a few with identity as ?)  and it reads like the Who?s who of the era. I did however find dotting back and forth from photo to key had me losing the thread so I took the liberty of saving the photo to my PC and annotating the individuals for easier analysis. Many of you will perhaps not have re-visited the post for some time so I am attaching my effort for any that care to do so now.

  In many cases, even where I instantly recognised the face, I googled to get a broader picture of the particular career. Robin Nash was one where the info that came to light came as a complete surprise to me ? he was apparently born Robert Henry Douglas Drane but adopted the name Robin for some reason plus the surname Nash which was his mother?s maiden name. I gather her side of the family had show-biz connections but whether that signified or not I didn?t discover.

  Just a small point ? the key for 5th row shows three ?unidentified? between Pauline Kay and Colin Farnell but It looks as though this should only be two.

  So there we are, so many people whose contribution is undoubted ? many of them no longer with us but definitely not forgotten.

  Dave Newbitt.

  PS. While I?m on the topic of memory jogging, this is me at line up time and yes, I could actually drive one of those things!

   

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From david.beer at talktalk.net  Thu Nov  7 12:26:09 2019
From: david.beer at talktalk.net (David Beer)
Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2019 18:26:09 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Nostalgia
In-Reply-To: <1947668D592D4AD48D47027E9060942A@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>
References: <C8A86D52CA1C41B8AF22EE0294C58CFB@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>
	<CAB99AB_mmLNWkfteKsbtPZ=w2bZ4uAqO-Ce7g8kFSXJfcR9S7A@mail.gmail.com>
	<1947668D592D4AD48D47027E9060942A@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>
Message-ID: <cd6ba13d-fd53-a0bf-62ad-500332280aa0@talktalk.net>

Harry Rab was an entertaining guest on Desert Island Discs on 28 June 
2015 when he was 100. Available on BBC Sounds 
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/b0606vtx

Dave B

On 07/11/2019 11:00, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote:
> Thanks Geoff, much appreciated.
> I had intended, but forgot, to include particular mention of Harry 
> Rabinowitz (Harry ?Rab?). I remember him so well from working on a 
> multitude of TVT shows where he was composer/arranger/conductor ? the 
> absolute master of his calling. At the time of the photograph he was 
> Music Director Light Entertainment, hence his inclusion. How different 
> the music world was then. Session musicians that mostly the public 
> knew nothing of, certainly not their names, yet they were mostly 
> brilliant beyond praise. What a privilege to have seen over and over 
> again a group of players arrive in the orch. room at TVT or the TOTP 
> studio, sit down and sight read previously unseen material and execute 
> it faultlessly from the first playing.
> As often as not the violinist Alec Firman was leader and, of course, 
> ?fixer? (in consultation with Harry Rab). When did that system fall 
> into disuse?
> Harry lived to 100 and was and had been working well into his eighties.
> Dave Newbitt.
> *From:* Geoff Fletcher
> *Sent:* Thursday, November 7, 2019 8:44 AM
> *To:* David Newbitt
> *Cc:* tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> *Subject:* Re: [Tech1] Nostalgia
> Brilliant bit of work Dave. Well done!
> Geoff F
> On Wed, 6 Nov 2019 at 20:25, David Newbitt via Tech1 
> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>
>     One of the great pleasures I have enjoyed since joining this forum
>     has been the opportunity to see so many photographs from the 60s &
>     70s. Where they include many faces I find typically I instantly
>     identify a proportion of them, add to the list with a lot of head
>     scratching then fail badly with the remainder. It is this last
>     group that sends me off on Google hunts, the results of which at
>     times stir up synapses and have me realising that, after all, I do
>     have a recollection.
>     One that has particularly engaged me recently is on the
>     pre-Wordspace site index at page 47, a photo posted by John Holmes
>     from 1962 (the year I joined Tech Ops). It is a remarkable
>     collection of the movers and shakers from the Light Entertainment
>     world of the era. John describes it as ?memorable? which if
>     anything is an understatement. He provides a list of the just
>     short of 60 subjects across 7 rows (just a few with identity as
>     ?)? and it reads like the Who?s who of the era. I did however find
>     dotting back and forth from photo to key had me losing the thread
>     so I took the liberty of saving the photo to my PC and annotating
>     the individuals for easier analysis. Many of you will perhaps not
>     have re-visited the post for some time so I am attaching my effort
>     for any that care to do so now.
>     In many cases, even where I instantly recognised the face, I
>     googled to get a broader picture of the particular career. Robin
>     Nash was one where the info that came to light came as a complete
>     surprise to me ? he was apparently born Robert Henry Douglas Drane
>     but adopted the name Robin for some reason plus the surname Nash
>     which was his mother?s maiden name. I gather her side of the
>     family had show-biz connections but whether that signified or not
>     I didn?t discover.
>     Just a small point ? the key for 5th row shows three
>     ?unidentified? between Pauline Kay and Colin Farnell but It looks
>     as though this should only be two.
>     So there we are, so many people whose contribution is undoubted ?
>     many of them no longer with us but definitely not forgotten.
>     Dave Newbitt.
>     PS. While I?m on the topic of memory jogging, this is me at line
>     up time and yes, I could actually drive one of those things!
>     Mid 1960's on a Pedalo boom
>     -- 
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From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net  Thu Nov  7 13:48:54 2019
From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt)
Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2019 19:48:54 -0000
Subject: [Tech1] Nostalgia
In-Reply-To: <cd6ba13d-fd53-a0bf-62ad-500332280aa0@talktalk.net>
References: <C8A86D52CA1C41B8AF22EE0294C58CFB@DESKTOP6GGCRV1><CAB99AB_mmLNWkfteKsbtPZ=w2bZ4uAqO-Ce7g8kFSXJfcR9S7A@mail.gmail.com><1947668D592D4AD48D47027E9060942A@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>
	<cd6ba13d-fd53-a0bf-62ad-500332280aa0@talktalk.net>
Message-ID: <3D6659B55F9C4D62B766B1483D2A4E8C@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>

Thanks very much for the link, Dave. When I tuned in the first thing that struck me was the undiminished ability to think quickly and speak quickly. Extraordinary for a centenarian, he sounded on top of his game - more like a man decades his junior. Exceptional in every way.

Dave Newbitt.

From: David Beer via Tech1 
Sent: Thursday, November 7, 2019 6:26 PM
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk 
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Nostalgia

Harry Rab was an entertaining guest on Desert Island Discs on 28 June 2015 when he was 100. Available on BBC Sounds https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/b0606vtx

Dave B


On 07/11/2019 11:00, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote:

  Thanks Geoff, much appreciated.

  I had intended, but forgot, to include particular mention of Harry Rabinowitz (Harry ?Rab?). I remember him so well from working on a multitude of TVT shows where he was composer/arranger/conductor ? the absolute master of his calling. At the time of the photograph he was Music Director Light Entertainment, hence his inclusion. How different the music world was then. Session musicians that mostly the public knew nothing of, certainly not their names, yet they were mostly brilliant beyond praise. What a privilege to have seen over and over again a group of players arrive in the orch. room at TVT or the TOTP studio, sit down and sight read previously unseen material and execute it faultlessly from the first playing. 

  As often as not the violinist Alec Firman was leader and, of course, ?fixer? (in consultation with Harry Rab). When did that system fall into disuse?

  Harry lived to 100 and was and had been working well into his eighties.

  Dave Newbitt.

  From: Geoff Fletcher 
  Sent: Thursday, November 7, 2019 8:44 AM
  To: David Newbitt 
  Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk 
  Subject: Re: [Tech1] Nostalgia

  Brilliant bit of work Dave. Well done!
  Geoff F

  On Wed, 6 Nov 2019 at 20:25, David Newbitt via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

    One of the great pleasures I have enjoyed since joining this forum has been the opportunity to see so many photographs from the 60s & 70s. Where they include many faces I find typically I instantly identify a proportion of them, add to the list with a lot of head scratching then fail badly with the remainder. It is this last group that sends me off on Google hunts, the results of which at times stir up synapses and have me realising that, after all, I do have a recollection.

    One that has particularly engaged me recently is on the pre-Wordspace site index at page 47, a photo posted by John Holmes from 1962 (the year I joined Tech Ops). It is a remarkable collection of the movers and shakers from the Light Entertainment world of the era. John describes it as ?memorable? which if anything is an understatement. He provides a list of the just short of 60 subjects across 7 rows (just a few with identity as ?)  and it reads like the Who?s who of the era. I did however find dotting back and forth from photo to key had me losing the thread so I took the liberty of saving the photo to my PC and annotating the individuals for easier analysis. Many of you will perhaps not have re-visited the post for some time so I am attaching my effort for any that care to do so now.

    In many cases, even where I instantly recognised the face, I googled to get a broader picture of the particular career. Robin Nash was one where the info that came to light came as a complete surprise to me ? he was apparently born Robert Henry Douglas Drane but adopted the name Robin for some reason plus the surname Nash which was his mother?s maiden name. I gather her side of the family had show-biz connections but whether that signified or not I didn?t discover.

    Just a small point ? the key for 5th row shows three ?unidentified? between Pauline Kay and Colin Farnell but It looks as though this should only be two.

    So there we are, so many people whose contribution is undoubted ? many of them no longer with us but definitely not forgotten.

    Dave Newbitt.

    PS. While I?m on the topic of memory jogging, this is me at line up time and yes, I could actually drive one of those things!

     

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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Fri Nov  8 09:02:31 2019
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2019 15:02:31 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] =?utf-8?q?Fwd=3A_BBC_MCR21_Progress_Report=C2=A0_Nov_19?=
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Subject: 	BBC MCR21 Progress Report? Nov 19
Date: 	Fri, 8 Nov 2019 14:16:15 +0000
From: 	Nick <nick at mcr21.org.uk>
Reply-To: 	Nick <nick at mcr21.org.uk>
To: 	Bernard <bernard.newnham at ntlworld.com>



BBC MCR21 Progress Report? Nov 19 MCR21 on the move and Jazz at the 
Concorde Club


  MCR21 PROGRESS


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*MCR21 ON THE MOVE*

With a little help from R & S Recovery Services, MCR21 took to the road 
on Wednesday 16th October for its journey to the vehicle restorers, Ward 
Jones at High Wycombe.

Previously all the cabling inside the unit had been removed; the 
television equipment taken out carefully and the wooden slats on the 
roof, removed for renovation.

Students from Royal Holloway, who are recording the restoration process, 
were there to film this significant event.

Many thanks to Adam on camera
and Dr Nick Hall? - Royal Holloway University of London





*JAZZ AT THE CONCORDE CLUB*

Recreating a 1960s Television Outside Broadcast
This MCR21 Project event, brought together students from Solent 
University with 'seasoned' BBC professionals to record a concert by the 
Ben Holder Jazz Quartet.
The Event took place on the 23rd October at the Concorde Club near 
Southampton.
A big thank you to the Ben Holder Quartet, Cole Mathieson and the staff 
at the club

Photo James French

Inside the mobile control van showing the feeds from the four cameras
Photo Oscar Williams

Harry Coventry, senior cameraman? on MCR21 in the 1960, advises the 
camera operators.
Harry directed the jazz recording from inside Solent University's
outside broadcast unit.

Camera Supervisor, James French, checks out the cameras. James started 
his career at BBC Pebble Mill. He is now a well respected freelance 
camera supervisor and lighting cameraman who is very happy to pass on 
his experience to students.

In the Green Room, MCR21's sound crew, Ken Osbourn, Keith Gunn (sitting 
on the right) and Brian Robinson reminisce, looking at photos on Brian 
Summers computer. Looking on is Nicolas Pillai from Birmingham City 
University who organised the first Jazz 625 recreation.

And this is Keith Gunn in 1964, lacing up the tape recorder in the 
engineering part of MCR21

The Crew - The students and ex BBC people

Many thanks to all of them, plus Matt Hickling and Kerry Horton from
Solent University who organised the outside broadcast
and who are not in the photo

The recordings made of the jazz concert, will be replayed in the? the 
production area of a restored MCR21. The pictures from each camera will 
be played back on the four monitors which are shown at the bottom of the 
photo above. (they will be in black & white) The visitors to the 
production area of MCR21 will see the pictures and hear the music, plus 
the director calling the shots as each camera is cut up to the programme 
output monitor


*WHAT CAME BEFORE BEFORE MCR21?*

MCR21 was one of ten mobile control rooms delivered to the BBC in 
1963/4. The first of these was MCR19.
So what happened to MCRs 1 to 18.

The first Television Mobile Control Room was delivered to the BBC in the 
spring of 1937. MCR1 was followed by MCR2 Pictured above). An identical 
unit, built on an AEC bus chassis and equipped with Emitron cameras. 
MCR2 was in service with the BBC until 1950. There is no record as to 
what happened to these unitsafter that date.

MCRs 3 to 12 were all built into articular trailers. They were delivered 
to the BBC between 1948 and 1952. MCRs 3,6,11 and 12 were made by Pye 
TVT; EMI constructed MCRs 4 and 5 using CPS Emitron cameras; MCR7 was 
put together by BBC engineers, using Marconi equipment while MCRs 8,9 
and 10 were supplied by the Marconi company. No doubt all the equipment 
was stripped out of the trailers before disposal. No records show any of 
the trailers still exist.

MCRs 13 to 16 arrived at the BBC in 1954. Supplied by the Marconi 
Company, they were each equipped with 3 Marconi MkIII cameras. (Although 
MCR13 did carry 5 cameras). They were kept in service at the BBC until 
the mid sixties. Two of units were sold to the Greek Television Service 
and one to a television station in Uganda. There are no reports that any 
of the four units survive. The design of these MCRs has been 
immortalised by the Dinky model and the cutaway drawing in the Eagle Comic.

MCR17 was a standard Pye TVT unit like this one supplied to 
Granada(photo above). The unit was painted in light blue and only used 
to televise Barry Bucknell's DIY show. It wass known at the BBC as the 
'Ice Cream Wagon'.After the series the equipment was removed and the van 
used to transport the BBC orchestra's musical instruments. There is no 
knowledge of what happened to it after that. ( Photo courtesy of Richard 
Ellis)

MCR18 was a Marconi 2-camera unit built into a Commer Karrier van, the 
same as the Roving Eye pictured above. While its camera tender still 
exists( It was used as a horse box for many years) the Commer OB has 
been lost without trace


*WANTED*

Now that MCR21 is away at the body restorers, it is time to think
in more detail, about the interior refit.
There is much equipment to be found or recreated.

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There are many tasks that can be carried out from home
We do need someone to help with the fundraising campaign and also 
someone to help develop our website
We are happy to receive broadcast equipment which we will find a new 
home for and, in doing so, raise money for the MCR21 Project

Or you would like to help the MCR21 Project by giving a donation

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We would very much like to hear from you with any information about 
MCR21 or the other 1960s BBC units.
MCR21 was one of 10 units - MCR19 to 28 - what are their stories and 
what became of them?
Please do give us a call.
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From tonynuttall at me.com  Fri Nov  8 07:57:01 2019
From: tonynuttall at me.com (William Nuttall)
Date: Fri, 08 Nov 2019 13:57:01 -0000
Subject: [Tech1] London Calling, Cold War Letters  BBC  TV CH4
Message-ID: <b1a02be6-c24d-4177-acf6-d7435f858718@me.com>


Hi All
If you every had one of the Superb Curries at Bush House or
ever did a spell at Bush House you might find this of interest.
Fascinating??programme on the activities of the BBC World Service
East German Section during the Cold War. The programme covers
"London Calling: Cold War Letters." ?Interesting producer with
his own cemetery and crematoria!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m000b1h0/london-calling-cold-war-letters

Also good programme of the same era is
"The Fall of the Berlin Wall" with John Simpson.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m000b1h2/the-fall-of-the-berlin-wall-with-john-simpson

Tony N.
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Fri Nov  8 09:22:59 2019
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2019 15:22:59 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Nostalgia
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References: <C8A86D52CA1C41B8AF22EE0294C58CFB@DESKTOP6GGCRV1><CAB99AB_mmLNWkfteKsbtPZ=w2bZ4uAqO-Ce7g8kFSXJfcR9S7A@mail.gmail.com><1947668D592D4AD48D47027E9060942A@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>
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Some time ago, I attempted to contact Harry, for a last word. I found a newspaper interview with him by the Portland, Oregon Tribune. Harry lived part of the year with his daughter in the USA, and also in France.
There was one occasion, recording a music number for an LE show, that was so fast that the brass section had no time to insert or take out the trumpet mutes, so it was necessary to record in two halves. I made the edit, with Harry giving me the downbeat. He was so pleased with my timing of the cut that he bought me a beer in the Club. I would have liked to buy him a return drink, but was unable to make contact, once he had retired.
A very competent, respected composer and MD.
Regards
Pat

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: David Newbitt via Tech1
Sent: 07 November 2019 19:49
To: David Beer; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Nostalgia

Thanks very much for the link, Dave. When I tuned in the first thing that struck me was the undiminished ability to think quickly and speak quickly. Extraordinary for a centenarian, he sounded on top of his game - more like a man decades his junior. Exceptional in every way.
?
Dave Newbitt.
?
From: David Beer via Tech1 
Sent: Thursday, November 7, 2019 6:26 PM
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk 
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Nostalgia
?
Harry Rab was an entertaining guest on Desert Island Discs on 28 June 2015 when he was 100. Available on BBC Sounds https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/b0606vtx
Dave B
On 07/11/2019 11:00, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote:
Thanks Geoff, much appreciated.
?
I had intended, but forgot, to include particular mention of Harry Rabinowitz (Harry ?Rab?). I remember him so well from working on a multitude of TVT shows where he was composer/arranger/conductor ? the absolute master of his calling. At the time of the photograph he was Music Director Light Entertainment, hence his inclusion. How different the music world was then. Session musicians that mostly the public knew nothing of, certainly not their names, yet they were mostly brilliant beyond praise. What a privilege to have seen over and over again a group of players arrive in the orch. room at TVT or the TOTP studio, sit down and sight read previously unseen material and execute it faultlessly from the first playing. 
?
As often as not the violinist Alec Firman was leader and, of course, ?fixer? (in consultation with Harry Rab). When did that system fall into disuse?
?
Harry lived to 100 and was and had been working well into his eighties.
?
Dave Newbitt.
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From alanaudio at me.com  Fri Nov  8 11:50:06 2019
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2019 17:50:06 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] London Calling, Cold War Letters  BBC  TV CH4
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The current programmes about the Berlin Wall are especially fascinating to me as my wife was born in the former east Germany and made her escape to the west on the day before the wall came down, although in her case, her exit route was via the Czech Republic and thence through Austria to Berlin. By the time she arrived in Berlin, the wall had ceased to function. 

It?s hard to understand how day to day life was under such an oppressive regime with the Stasi having operatives secretly spying on everybody. People could only trust their closest relatives.  People could be picked up by the Stasi just for dressing suspiciously ( punk fashion was especially frowned upon ) and those arrested could be subsequently find it hard to get or retain jobs. 

It?s amazing to see how what used to be two massively different cultures have now reunited and formed one cohesive nation.  

There?s a lot of concern these days about digital privacy and how big corporations can keep tabs on the minutia of our everyday lives. Just imagine how much more sinister things would have been if the Stasi had been able to use similar technology. 

Alan Taylor

> On 8 Nov 2019, at 15:14, William Nuttall via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Also good programme of the same era is
> "The Fall of the Berlin Wall" with John Simpson.
> 
> https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m000b1h2/the-fall-of-the-berlin-wall-with-john-simpson
> 
> Tony N.
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From waresound at msn.com  Fri Nov  8 12:46:43 2019
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2019 18:46:43 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Major Live OB in 1961
Message-ID: <VI1P192MB0271DA4E33A81EE559129802A77B0@VI1P192MB0271.EURP192.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

I?m wondering if there?s anyone here who remembers anything about the Consecration of Guildford Cathedral on May 17th 1961.
Nowadays, such an event would pass pretty much unnoticed, but back back then it was an event of huge importance. A Royal occasion in fact as the Queen and Prince Philip, and I think Princess Margaret were there. Plus, me of course!! There?s lots of photo and video of it on YouTube, but bear in mind, there was no means of recording it anywhere other than on film at the BBC. A few years later I managed to borrow that 16mm film and copy it in its entirety onto VHS at the Ealing TFS, and it?s that and further copying that?s on YouTube today.
So now, the thing is this: firstly this preceded the GPO Tower by about three years, and secondly, pictures and sound went via bog-ordinary copper phone lines to the Guildford telephone exchange. How it got to Crystal Palace at all seems hard to fathom! Simple in the following years because the Cathedral has direct line of sight to the BT Tower, and now of course, satellite uplinks.

So, the reason for asking: Guildford Cathedral has a very comprehensive archive going right from it?s first planning and eventual completion and consecration, right up to the present. The Archivists are compiling an oral archive by audio-interviewing anyone who was involved in the early years. The one bit that?s missing, it seems to me, is that a live OB on that scale was pretty unusual in 1961 and we would like to know more about it.
Does anyone here have, or know anyone, who could add to this project? The archivists are volunteers who would gladly come to wherever you might be.

For my part (I had been working at the Beeb for a year at the time) I remember being in the cathedral for the bits I had to do as a Server, then as soon I was off camera, running down the hill to the organist?s house and seeing it going on live up the hill. An unimaginable novelty at the time.

In my first year at the Beeb on Crew 2 I had worked on Panorama a number of times, and at the cathedral on the day, commentator Richard Dimbleby recognised me, and seeing my local connection probed me for info about the building. He used a lot of what I told him in his commentary, and I?m sure now, much of it could have been duff gen! 

My Dad was one of the Clergy in charge of music and organisational things (Precentor), and as such, after the consecration, would live in a house in the Cathedral Close, also at the foot of the hill. We hadn?t been able to move in prior to the great day, because we?re told it was used by the Royal party as a ?comfort stop? before and after the main event. I?ve always been quite intrigued and proud of that useless piece of information. We lived there and used those loos for thirteen years after that!

If anyone has any broadcasting memories of that day, could you drop me an email to nick at njware.co.uk please?

Sent from my iPad mini 5

From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net  Fri Nov  8 13:51:20 2019
From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt)
Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2019 19:51:20 -0000
Subject: [Tech1] London Calling, Cold War Letters  BBC  TV CH4
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I read your piece with great interest Alan ? it?s not every day one hears of people whose lives were so closely touched by the events and the very personal detail adds significantly to my recollections of what had already seemed monumental change.

How right you are to speculate on what further excesses might have arisen had the Stasi been able to access modern communication practices. I wonder too - are we really failing yet again to learn from the consequences of sinister state activity? One of my granddaughters was 15 last Sunday and I recall the completely unsophisticated grasp I had of the great wide wicked world at that age. How on earth will she and her contemporaries cope with it all?

Best wishes to you and your good lady,

Dave Newbitt.

From: Alan Taylor via Tech1 
Sent: Friday, November 8, 2019 5:50 PM
To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat 
Subject: Re: [Tech1] London Calling, Cold War Letters BBC TV CH4

The current programmes about the Berlin Wall are especially fascinating to me as my wife was born in the former east Germany and made her escape to the west on the day before the wall came down, although in her case, her exit route was via the Czech Republic and thence through Austria to Berlin. By the time she arrived in Berlin, the wall had ceased to function. 

It?s hard to understand how day to day life was under such an oppressive regime with the Stasi having operatives secretly spying on everybody. People could only trust their closest relatives.  People could be picked up by the Stasi just for dressing suspiciously ( punk fashion was especially frowned upon ) and those arrested could be subsequently find it hard to get or retain jobs. 

It?s amazing to see how what used to be two massively different cultures have now reunited and formed one cohesive nation.  

There?s a lot of concern these days about digital privacy and how big corporations can keep tabs on the minutia of our everyday lives. Just imagine how much more sinister things would have been if the Stasi had been able to use similar technology. 

Alan Taylor


  On 8 Nov 2019, at 15:14, William Nuttall via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:


  Also good programme of the same era is
  "The Fall of the Berlin Wall" with John Simpson.

  https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m000b1h2/the-fall-of-the-berlin-wall-with-john-simpson

  Tony N.
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From graeme.wall at icloud.com  Sat Nov  9 04:41:33 2019
From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall)
Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2019 10:41:33 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] CMCR4
Message-ID: <AEE3AF04-48E7-4640-83DF-ACB20AE8C265@icloud.com>

Someone mentioned CMCR 4 recently.  Here she is at Ely in December 1971 for a recording of Handel?s Messiah. I was seconded to OBs for this production to swing the Nike crane in the cathedral.

? 
Graeme Wall

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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Sat Nov  9 18:17:54 2019
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2019 00:17:54 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Remembrance Day
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We have just been notified by the Residents Association that at 
tomorrows annual Remembrance Ceremony they be be unable to raise the 
Union Flag as someone has stolen the guy rope from the flag pole! This 
is in a small village in leafy Surrey so what chance does the rest of 
the Nation have? Yours, disgusted, Dave


From rogerbunce at btinternet.com  Sun Nov 10 03:45:12 2019
From: rogerbunce at btinternet.com (ROGER BUNCE)
Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2019 09:45:12 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tech1] Remembrance Day
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 You must have a cupboard full of sash-cord, nicked from studios over the years! Can't you supply something? Failing that, some long double-enders, knotted together.
Anyway, it's the Union JACK! I don't believe in all this 'Union Flag' affectation. It's just fake pedantry!
luv, Rog.
    On Sunday, 10 November 2019, 00:18:23 GMT, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:  
 
 We have just been notified by the Residents Association that at 
tomorrows annual Remembrance Ceremony they be be unable to raise the 
Union Flag as someone has stolen the guy rope from the flag pole! This 
is in a small village in leafy Surrey so what chance does the rest of 
the Nation have? Yours, disgusted, Dave

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From graeme.wall at icloud.com  Sun Nov 10 03:49:09 2019
From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall)
Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2019 09:49:09 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Remembrance Day
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It?s only a Jack if flown from the jackstaff

? 
Graeme Wall


> On 10 Nov 2019, at 09:45, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> You must have a cupboard full of sash-cord, nicked from studios over the years! Can't you supply something? Failing that, some long double-enders, knotted together.
> 
> Anyway, it's the Union JACK! I don't believe in all this 'Union Flag' affectation. It's just fake pedantry!
> 
> luv, Rog.
> 
> On Sunday, 10 November 2019, 00:18:23 GMT, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> 
> We have just been notified by the Residents Association that at 
> tomorrows annual Remembrance Ceremony they be be unable to raise the 
> Union Flag as someone has stolen the guy rope from the flag pole! This 
> is in a small village in leafy Surrey so what chance does the rest of 
> the Nation have? Yours, disgusted, Dave
> 
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From ohbytheway.tv at gmail.com  Sun Nov 10 03:59:27 2019
From: ohbytheway.tv at gmail.com (David Denness)
Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2019 09:59:27 -0000
Subject: [Tech1] Remembrance Day
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I believe that distinction was scrapped by act of parliament some time in the late 1800's
The two terms are now fully interchangeable
Dave D

-----Original Message-----
From: Tech1 <tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk> On Behalf Of Graeme Wall via Tech1
Sent: 10 November 2019 09:49
To: ROGER BUNCE <rogerbunce at btinternet.com>
Cc: Tech ops <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Remembrance Day

It?s only a Jack if flown from the jackstaff

? 
Graeme Wall


> On 10 Nov 2019, at 09:45, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> You must have a cupboard full of sash-cord, nicked from studios over the years! Can't you supply something? Failing that, some long double-enders, knotted together.
> 
> Anyway, it's the Union JACK! I don't believe in all this 'Union Flag' affectation. It's just fake pedantry!
> 
> luv, Rog.
> 
> On Sunday, 10 November 2019, 00:18:23 GMT, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> 
> We have just been notified by the Residents Association that at 
> tomorrows annual Remembrance Ceremony they be be unable to raise the 
> Union Flag as someone has stolen the guy rope from the flag pole! This 
> is in a small village in leafy Surrey so what chance does the rest of 
> the Nation have? Yours, disgusted, Dave
> 
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From ohbytheway.tv at gmail.com  Sun Nov 10 04:10:22 2019
From: ohbytheway.tv at gmail.com (David Denness)
Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2019 10:10:22 -0000
Subject: [Tech1] Remembrance Day
In-Reply-To: <7978CE7F-3781-47AE-8A24-4A336FA7A326@icloud.com>
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I was a bit wrong about the date. 1902 is when The Admiralty decreed the two terms were interchangeable followed by parliament reinforcing it in 1908.
(Winston Churchill always referred to the flag as The Union Jack)

Dave D

-----Original Message-----
From: Tech1 <tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk> On Behalf Of Graeme Wall via Tech1
Sent: 10 November 2019 09:49
To: ROGER BUNCE <rogerbunce at btinternet.com>
Cc: Tech ops <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Remembrance Day

It?s only a Jack if flown from the jackstaff

? 
Graeme Wall


> On 10 Nov 2019, at 09:45, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> You must have a cupboard full of sash-cord, nicked from studios over the years! Can't you supply something? Failing that, some long double-enders, knotted together.
> 
> Anyway, it's the Union JACK! I don't believe in all this 'Union Flag' affectation. It's just fake pedantry!
> 
> luv, Rog.
> 
> On Sunday, 10 November 2019, 00:18:23 GMT, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> 
> We have just been notified by the Residents Association that at 
> tomorrows annual Remembrance Ceremony they be be unable to raise the 
> Union Flag as someone has stolen the guy rope from the flag pole! This 
> is in a small village in leafy Surrey so what chance does the rest of 
> the Nation have? Yours, disgusted, Dave
> 
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From graeme.wall at icloud.com  Sun Nov 10 04:11:42 2019
From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall)
Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2019 10:11:42 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Remembrance Day
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Many thanks Dave, I didn?t know that. I thought it was just a bit of naval pedantry.
? 
Graeme Wall


> On 10 Nov 2019, at 10:10, David Denness <ohbytheway.tv at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I was a bit wrong about the date. 1902 is when The Admiralty decreed the two terms were interchangeable followed by parliament reinforcing it in 1908.
> (Winston Churchill always referred to the flag as The Union Jack)
> 
> Dave D
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tech1 <tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk> On Behalf Of Graeme Wall via Tech1
> Sent: 10 November 2019 09:49
> To: ROGER BUNCE <rogerbunce at btinternet.com>
> Cc: Tech ops <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Remembrance Day
> 
> It?s only a Jack if flown from the jackstaff
> 
> ? 
> Graeme Wall
> 
> 
>> On 10 Nov 2019, at 09:45, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> You must have a cupboard full of sash-cord, nicked from studios over the years! Can't you supply something? Failing that, some long double-enders, knotted together.
>> 
>> Anyway, it's the Union JACK! I don't believe in all this 'Union Flag' affectation. It's just fake pedantry!
>> 
>> luv, Rog.
>> 
>> On Sunday, 10 November 2019, 00:18:23 GMT, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> We have just been notified by the Residents Association that at 
>> tomorrows annual Remembrance Ceremony they be be unable to raise the 
>> Union Flag as someone has stolen the guy rope from the flag pole! This 
>> is in a small village in leafy Surrey so what chance does the rest of 
>> the Nation have? Yours, disgusted, Dave
>> 
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From rogerbunce at btinternet.com  Sun Nov 10 08:39:58 2019
From: rogerbunce at btinternet.com (ROGER BUNCE)
Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2019 14:39:58 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tech1] Remembrance Day
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 Pedantry - possibly - Naval gazing - certainly.
To qualify as true pedantry, of course, it has to be correct - which it isn't. Even "Q.I.", normally a delightful source of pointless pedantry, got that one wrong. It comes to something when you can't trust Stephen Fry! (Watching an old one on Dave, the other day, he announced that Euclid had proved Pythagorus' theorem long before Pythagorus. Wrong Stephen! Euclid lived centuries AFTER the time of Pythagorus!) Where are the proper pedants when we need them?
Even if the Admiralty hadn't qualified the definition, there is the question - Where was our national flag first flown? Answer - On the Jack Staff of a Ship! No one flew national flags over buildings in those days. Buildings couldn't move about, so you knew which country they were in. It was personal standards which flew over castles and palaces. The purpose of national flags was to identify ships, which did move about, and might be enemies. So, if the first place our flag was flown was on a ship, then its first name will have been 'Union Jack'. And if this was its first ever name, it must be a correct name! Q.E.D.
luv, Jolly Roger (which is a proper nautical flag!)

    On Sunday, 10 November 2019, 10:11:48 GMT, Graeme Wall <graeme.wall at icloud.com> wrote:  
 
 Many thanks Dave, I didn?t know that. I thought it was just a bit of naval pedantry.
? 
Graeme Wall


> On 10 Nov 2019, at 10:10, David Denness <ohbytheway.tv at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I was a bit wrong about the date. 1902 is when The Admiralty decreed the two terms were interchangeable followed by parliament reinforcing it in 1908.
> (Winston Churchill always referred to the flag as The Union Jack)
> 
> Dave D
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tech1 <tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk> On Behalf Of Graeme Wall via Tech1
> Sent: 10 November 2019 09:49
> To: ROGER BUNCE <rogerbunce at btinternet.com>
> Cc: Tech ops <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Remembrance Day
> 
> It?s only a Jack if flown from the jackstaff
> 
> ? 
> Graeme Wall
> 
> 
>> On 10 Nov 2019, at 09:45, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> You must have a cupboard full of sash-cord, nicked from studios over the years! Can't you supply something? Failing that, some long double-enders, knotted together.
>> 
>> Anyway, it's the Union JACK! I don't believe in all this 'Union Flag' affectation. It's just fake pedantry!
>> 
>> luv, Rog.
>> 
>> On Sunday, 10 November 2019, 00:18:23 GMT, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> We have just been notified by the Residents Association that at 
>> tomorrows annual Remembrance Ceremony they be be unable to raise the 
>> Union Flag as someone has stolen the guy rope from the flag pole! This 
>> is in a small village in leafy Surrey so what chance does the rest of 
>> the Nation have? Yours, disgusted, Dave
>> 
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From graeme.wall at icloud.com  Sun Nov 10 08:44:45 2019
From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall)
Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2019 14:44:45 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Remembrance Day
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I bow to your superior pedantry!
? 
Graeme Wall


> On 10 Nov 2019, at 14:39, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Pedantry - possibly - Naval gazing - certainly.
> 
> To qualify as true pedantry, of course, it has to be correct - which it isn't. Even "Q.I.", normally a delightful source of pointless pedantry, got that one wrong. It comes to something when you can't trust Stephen Fry! (Watching an old one on Dave, the other day, he announced that Euclid had proved Pythagorus' theorem long before Pythagorus. Wrong Stephen! Euclid lived centuries AFTER the time of Pythagorus!) Where are the proper pedants when we need them?
> 
> Even if the Admiralty hadn't qualified the definition, there is the question - Where was our national flag first flown? Answer - On the Jack Staff of a Ship! No one flew national flags over buildings in those days. Buildings couldn't move about, so you knew which country they were in. It was personal standards which flew over castles and palaces. The purpose of national flags was to identify ships, which did move about, and might be enemies. So, if the first place our flag was flown was on a ship, then its first name will have been 'Union Jack'. And if this was its first ever name, it must be a correct name! Q.E.D.
> 
> luv, Jolly Roger (which is a proper nautical flag!)
> 
> 
> On Sunday, 10 November 2019, 10:11:48 GMT, Graeme Wall <graeme.wall at icloud.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> Many thanks Dave, I didn?t know that. I thought it was just a bit of naval pedantry.
> ? 
> Graeme Wall
> 
> 
> > On 10 Nov 2019, at 10:10, David Denness <ohbytheway.tv at gmail.com> wrote:
> > 
> > I was a bit wrong about the date. 1902 is when The Admiralty decreed the two terms were interchangeable followed by parliament reinforcing it in 1908.
> > (Winston Churchill always referred to the flag as The Union Jack)
> > 
> > Dave D
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Tech1 <tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk> On Behalf Of Graeme Wall via Tech1
> > Sent: 10 November 2019 09:49
> > To: ROGER BUNCE <rogerbunce at btinternet.com>
> > Cc: Tech ops <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> > Subject: Re: [Tech1] Remembrance Day
> > 
> > It?s only a Jack if flown from the jackstaff
> > 
> > ? 
> > Graeme Wall
> > 
> > 
> >> On 10 Nov 2019, at 09:45, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> >> 
> >> You must have a cupboard full of sash-cord, nicked from studios over the years! Can't you supply something? Failing that, some long double-enders, knotted together.
> >> 
> >> Anyway, it's the Union JACK! I don't believe in all this 'Union Flag' affectation. It's just fake pedantry!
> >> 
> >> luv, Rog.
> >> 
> >> On Sunday, 10 November 2019, 00:18:23 GMT, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> >> 
> >> 
> >> We have just been notified by the Residents Association that at 
> >> tomorrows annual Remembrance Ceremony they be be unable to raise the 
> >> Union Flag as someone has stolen the guy rope from the flag pole! This 
> >> is in a small village in leafy Surrey so what chance does the rest of 
> >> the Nation have? Yours, disgusted, Dave
> >> 
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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Sun Nov 10 09:09:21 2019
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2019 15:09:21 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Remembrance Day
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Back in the sixth form, one of the things we had to do was prove 
Pythagoras (with an 'a', being pedantic - though I expect he wrote some 
pre-Greek squiggle). When I was working on the weather we - some weather 
presenters and I - were talking about this, and I assumed that I could 
still do it. It turned out that in the office I couldn't and had to go 
home and look it up. Very irritating!

B

On 10/11/2019 14:39, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 wrote:
> Euclid had proved Pythagorus' theorem long before Pythagorus.

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From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2019 15:37:22 +0000
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Back in the sixth form, one of the things we had to do was prove 
Pythagoras (with an 'a', being pedantic - though I expect he wrote some 
pre-Greek squiggle). When I was working on the weather we - some weather 
presenters and I - were talking about this, and I assumed that I could 
still do it. It turned out that in the office I couldn't and had to go 
home and look it up. Very irritating!

B

On 10/11/2019 14:39, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 wrote:
> Euclid had proved Pythagorus' theorem long before Pythagorus.

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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Sun Nov 10 10:10:47 2019
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2019 16:10:47 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Nostalgia
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http://tech-ops.co.uk/next/2019/11/david-newbitts-nostalgia/



On 06/11/2019 20:24, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote:
> One of the great pleasures I have enjoyed since joining this forum has 
> been the opportunity to see so many photographs from the 60s & 70s. 
> Where they include many faces I find typically I instantly identify a 
> proportion of them, add to the list with a lot of head scratching then 
> fail badly with the remainder. It is this last group that sends me off 
> on Google hunts, the results of which at times stir up synapses and 
> have me realising that, after all, I do have a recollection.
> One that has particularly engaged me recently is on the pre-Wordspace 
> site index at page 47, a photo posted by John Holmes from 1962 (the 
> year I joined Tech Ops). It is a remarkable collection of the movers 
> and shakers from the Light Entertainment world of the era. John 
> describes it as ?memorable? which if anything is an understatement. He 
> provides a list of the just short of 60 subjects across 7 rows (just a 
> few with identity as ?)? and it reads like the Who?s who of the era. I 
> did however find dotting back and forth from photo to key had me 
> losing the thread so I took the liberty of saving the photo to my PC 
> and annotating the individuals for easier analysis. Many of you will 
> perhaps not have re-visited the post for some time so I am attaching 
> my effort for any that care to do so now.
> In many cases, even where I instantly recognised the face, I googled 
> to get a broader picture of the particular career. Robin Nash was one 
> where the info that came to light came as a complete surprise to me ? 
> he was apparently born Robert Henry Douglas Drane but adopted the name 
> Robin for some reason plus the surname Nash which was his mother?s 
> maiden name. I gather her side of the family had show-biz connections 
> but whether that signified or not I didn?t discover.
> Just a small point ? the key for 5th row shows three ?unidentified? 
> between Pauline Kay and Colin Farnell but It looks as though this 
> should only be two.
> So there we are, so many people whose contribution is undoubted ? many 
> of them no longer with us but definitely not forgotten.
> Dave Newbitt.
> PS. While I?m on the topic of memory jogging, this is me at line up 
> time and yes, I could actually drive one of those things!
> Mid 1960's on a Pedalo boom
>

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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Sun Nov 10 10:31:01 2019
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2019 16:31:01 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Dave Newbitt's Nostalgia
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As they say, nostalgia isn't what it used to be! I recognise the dreaded 
pedalo boom, a device that could cause great damage to anybody or 
anything within it's operating range! 'elf-'n-safety wouldn't allow them 
these days! Cheers, Dave. PS. the best source for washing lines and, 
indeed, guy ropes, were golf events where blue nylon ropes were used to 
keep the punters off the fairways etc. and were frequently were left 
behind at the end of the tournament.


From keithwicksuk at gmail.com  Sun Nov 10 10:58:31 2019
From: keithwicksuk at gmail.com (Keith Wicks)
Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2019 16:58:31 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Remembrance Day
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The flag in question was originally (1606) known as The British Flag, or
The Flag of Britain, and was flown from the main mast of ships. Only later
was it flown from the jack staff. Not surprising, as the jack staff did not
appear until the 1700s.
KW

On Sun, 10 Nov 2019 at 14:41, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
wrote:

> Pedantry - possibly - Naval gazing - certainly.
>
> To qualify as true pedantry, of course, it has to be correct - which it
> isn't. Even "Q.I.", normally a delightful source of pointless pedantry, got
> that one wrong. It comes to something when you can't trust Stephen Fry!
> (Watching an old one on Dave, the other day, he announced that Euclid had
> proved Pythagorus' theorem long before Pythagorus. Wrong Stephen! Euclid
> lived centuries AFTER the time of Pythagorus!) Where are the proper pedants
> when we need them?
>
> Even if the Admiralty hadn't qualified the definition, there is the
> question - Where was our national flag first flown? Answer - On the Jack
> Staff of a Ship! No one flew national flags over buildings in those days.
> Buildings couldn't move about, so you knew which country they were in. It
> was personal standards which flew over castles and palaces. The purpose of
> national flags was to identify ships, which did move about, and might be
> enemies. So, if the first place our flag was flown was on a ship, then its
> first name will have been 'Union Jack'. And if this was its first ever
> name, it must be a correct name! Q.E.D.
>
> luv, Jolly Roger (which is a proper nautical flag!)
>
>
> On Sunday, 10 November 2019, 10:11:48 GMT, Graeme Wall <
> graeme.wall at icloud.com> wrote:
>
>
> Many thanks Dave, I didn?t know that. I thought it was just a bit of naval
> pedantry.
> ?
> Graeme Wall
>
>
> > On 10 Nov 2019, at 10:10, David Denness <ohbytheway.tv at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > I was a bit wrong about the date. 1902 is when The Admiralty decreed the
> two terms were interchangeable followed by parliament reinforcing it in
> 1908.
> > (Winston Churchill always referred to the flag as The Union Jack)
> >
> > Dave D
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Tech1 <tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk> On Behalf Of Graeme Wall via
> Tech1
> > Sent: 10 November 2019 09:49
> > To: ROGER BUNCE <rogerbunce at btinternet.com>
> > Cc: Tech ops <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> > Subject: Re: [Tech1] Remembrance Day
> >
> > It?s only a Jack if flown from the jackstaff
> >
> > ?
> > Graeme Wall
> >
> >
> >> On 10 Nov 2019, at 09:45, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> You must have a cupboard full of sash-cord, nicked from studios over
> the years! Can't you supply something? Failing that, some long
> double-enders, knotted together.
> >>
> >> Anyway, it's the Union JACK! I don't believe in all this 'Union Flag'
> affectation. It's just fake pedantry!
> >>
> >> luv, Rog.
> >>
> >> On Sunday, 10 November 2019, 00:18:23 GMT, dave.mdv via Tech1 <
> tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> We have just been notified by the Residents Association that at
> >> tomorrows annual Remembrance Ceremony they be be unable to raise the
> >> Union Flag as someone has stolen the guy rope from the flag pole! This
> >> is in a small village in leafy Surrey so what chance does the rest of
> >> the Nation have? Yours, disgusted, Dave
> >>
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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Sun Nov 10 11:04:38 2019
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2019 17:04:38 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Dave Newbitt's Nostalgia
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Being in a lateral thinking mood -

Some years ago I needed to do some fibre glassing when building my 
Cobra, something I'd never done before.? A piece of very good advice I 
found - blue nylon rope makes a lot of excellent disposable resin 
brushes. You leave about 10cm free, and tape the next bit with gaffer 
tape. Cut off on the other side of the tape, then unravel the loose end. 
Always wet the hard surface first, add the fibre glass sheet then add 
more resin on top. Then chuck the brush.

B


On 10/11/2019 16:31, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote:
> As they say, nostalgia isn't what it used to be! I recognise the 
> dreaded pedalo boom, a device that could cause great damage to anybody 
> or anything within it's operating range! 'elf-'n-safety wouldn't allow 
> them these days! Cheers, Dave. PS. the best source for washing lines 
> and, indeed, guy ropes, were golf events where blue nylon ropes were 
> used to keep the punters off the fairways etc. and were frequently 
> were left behind at the end of the tournament.
>

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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Sun Nov 10 11:04:50 2019
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2019 17:04:50 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Dave Newbitt's Nostalgia
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Being in a lateral thinking mood -

Some years ago I needed to do some fibre glassing when building my 
Cobra, something I'd never done before.? A piece of very good advice I 
found - blue nylon rope makes a lot of excellent disposable resin 
brushes. You leave about 10cm free, and tape the next bit with gaffer 
tape. Cut off on the other side of the tape, then unravel the loose end. 
Always wet the hard surface first, add the fibre glass sheet then add 
more resin on top. Then chuck the brush.

B


On 10/11/2019 16:31, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote:
> As they say, nostalgia isn't what it used to be! I recognise the 
> dreaded pedalo boom, a device that could cause great damage to anybody 
> or anything within it's operating range! 'elf-'n-safety wouldn't allow 
> them these days! Cheers, Dave. PS. the best source for washing lines 
> and, indeed, guy ropes, were golf events where blue nylon ropes were 
> used to keep the punters off the fairways etc. and were frequently 
> were left behind at the end of the tournament.
>

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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Sun Nov 10 11:26:50 2019
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2019 17:26:50 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Fibre-glassing
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You've reminded me of the day when I was fibre-glassing the back edge of 
the wheel arch (in my much loved Singer Gazelle) on the drivers side as 
it had completely rusted through. Unfortunately, I had to drive to work 
having put the matting and resin on and, of course, it set hard, on my 
way to TVC, in a most peculiar shape and there it remained until the 
rest of the car rotted away. I think it had done 120,000 miles when it 
eventually died. Cheers, Dave


From pat.heigham at amps.net  Sun Nov 10 16:05:47 2019
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2019 22:05:47 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] 42nd Street
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So glad you saw and enjoyed it!
I believe it was filmed the day before I went for the 9th time, (Bob Foley for his 3rd!). The definition was fantastic, I think 4K, and I was pleased that the edit kept to the wide shots when necessary to show the staging. I see from the end credits that it was re-mixed at Pinewood, so will have to talk to my contact to find out who did it.
I guess that every artiste and band mikes were iso?ed on digital multitrack, so would have loved to have known a bit more about the camera rig etc. The inclusion of CU?s and Mid-shots were extra to having seen it from the Royal circle seats ? the make-up and wigs were superb under the camera scrutiny. Also able to spot where the radio mics were fitted! I knew that the tap effects were miked with mics at calf height under the dancers? tights!
I managed to attend the very last performance ? it was extremely emotional, half the girls were in tears, and the treads routine elicited a standing ovation, as did little Clare Halse when she took her bow.
A first class production from the synchronised choreography to the brilliant scenery, both from the design and smooth changes.
The perspective flat for the start of ?We?re in the Money? took my breath away. I was pleased that the homage to Busby Berkeley with the mirror taking the place of his overhead camera, was filmed as staged.
Best
Pat



Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Julie Mann
Sent: 10 November 2019 21:11
To: pat.heigham at amps.net
Subject: Re: 42nd Street

Hello Pat

Thanks to your recommendation, I went to today's cinema streaming of 42nd Street.

You were right, it really was worth watching. I thoroughly enjoyed it. I can understand how you have been to see the show so many times.

I just wanted to say thank you for telling us about the screening, I would never have known about it otherwise.

With best wishes
Julie Mann
(ex BBC Vision Mixer)

On Wed, 2 Oct 2019, 13:41 patheigham via Tech1, <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
Having seen ?42nd Street? ten times at the Theatre Royal, I was eagerly awaiting a viewing of the filmed version.This was being streamed from a New York service, so paid a month?s subscription, BUT, it was DRM not available to the UK. I tried switching my VPN to a US IP address, but it didn?t work as my credit card subscription was obviously from the UK! My sub was refunded. It is being streamed to various cinemas in the UK, on Nov 10th and 12th. Bob Foley and I will watch it in Horsham.
It really is worth seeing. Hopefully, maybe a Christmas issue of a BluRay might follow.?
Best Pat
?
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From rogerbunce at btinternet.com  Mon Nov 11 03:02:27 2019
From: rogerbunce at btinternet.com (ROGER BUNCE)
Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2019 09:02:27 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tech1] Remembrance Day
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 That's alright then, since the current version of the Union Jack didn't appear until the Union of Great Britain and Ireland in 1801 - long after the appearance of the Jack Staff. Prior to that, it only included the English and Scottish elements. I suppose that, once the Irish saltire was included, it could no longer be just 'The Flag of Great Britain'.
(You realise I've now had to look stuff up, rather than just pontificating about the random rubbish that has accumulated in my brain. Only Wikipedia, though - nothing intellectual!)
luv, Rog.
    On Sunday, 10 November 2019, 16:58:49 GMT, Keith Wicks <keithwicksuk at gmail.com> wrote:  
 
 The flag in question was originally (1606) known as The British Flag, or The Flag of Britain, and was?flown from the main mast of ships. Only later was it flown from the jack staff. Not surprising, as the jack staff did not appear until the 1700s.?KW
On Sun, 10 Nov 2019 at 14:41, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

 Pedantry - possibly - Naval gazing - certainly.
To qualify as true pedantry, of course, it has to be correct - which it isn't. Even "Q.I.", normally a delightful source of pointless pedantry, got that one wrong. It comes to something when you can't trust Stephen Fry! (Watching an old one on Dave, the other day, he announced that Euclid had proved Pythagorus' theorem long before Pythagorus. Wrong Stephen! Euclid lived centuries AFTER the time of Pythagorus!) Where are the proper pedants when we need them?
Even if the Admiralty hadn't qualified the definition, there is the question - Where was our national flag first flown? Answer - On the Jack Staff of a Ship! No one flew national flags over buildings in those days. Buildings couldn't move about, so you knew which country they were in. It was personal standards which flew over castles and palaces. The purpose of national flags was to identify ships, which did move about, and might be enemies. So, if the first place our flag was flown was on a ship, then its first name will have been 'Union Jack'. And if this was its first ever name, it must be a correct name! Q.E.D.
luv, Jolly Roger (which is a proper nautical flag!)

    On Sunday, 10 November 2019, 10:11:48 GMT, Graeme Wall <graeme.wall at icloud.com> wrote:  
 
 Many thanks Dave, I didn?t know that. I thought it was just a bit of naval pedantry.
? 
Graeme Wall


> On 10 Nov 2019, at 10:10, David Denness <ohbytheway.tv at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I was a bit wrong about the date. 1902 is when The Admiralty decreed the two terms were interchangeable followed by parliament reinforcing it in 1908.
> (Winston Churchill always referred to the flag as The Union Jack)
> 
> Dave D
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tech1 <tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk> On Behalf Of Graeme Wall via Tech1
> Sent: 10 November 2019 09:49
> To: ROGER BUNCE <rogerbunce at btinternet.com>
> Cc: Tech ops <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Remembrance Day
> 
> It?s only a Jack if flown from the jackstaff
> 
> ? 
> Graeme Wall
> 
> 
>> On 10 Nov 2019, at 09:45, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> You must have a cupboard full of sash-cord, nicked from studios over the years! Can't you supply something? Failing that, some long double-enders, knotted together.
>> 
>> Anyway, it's the Union JACK! I don't believe in all this 'Union Flag' affectation. It's just fake pedantry!
>> 
>> luv, Rog.
>> 
>> On Sunday, 10 November 2019, 00:18:23 GMT, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> We have just been notified by the Residents Association that at 
>> tomorrows annual Remembrance Ceremony they be be unable to raise the 
>> Union Flag as someone has stolen the guy rope from the flag pole! This 
>> is in a small village in leafy Surrey so what chance does the rest of 
>> the Nation have? Yours, disgusted, Dave
>> 
>> -- 
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From alanaudio at me.com  Mon Nov 11 09:12:34 2019
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2019 15:12:34 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Pic of John Spaull in Daily Mirror
Message-ID: <127BF15E-BB8E-4539-ABBB-A421C03FEB2C@me.com>

Those who have worked at Kendal Avenue will doubtless have known John Spaull, the vision supervisor.  Since leaving the BBC he worked as one of the in-car electronics technicians on some of the James Bond films.  There was a picture of him recently in the Daily Mirror in a story about the passing of Nick Finlayson, the leader of that special FX team.  John is pictured third from the right in the group shot.

After I left the Beeb,  I wasn't aware that John had moved onto that sort of work until one day, ten or more years ago, I was returning to my car at Pinewood Studios and a voice shouted me by name across the car park. It was John and he excitedly told me what he was doing there.  I've never felt happier for somebody as I did for him because it so perfectly combined his passion for fast cars, his knowledge of electronics and his desire for a challenge and a bit of excitement in his life.  He gleefully added that it was work which also pays rather handsomely too.

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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Tue Nov 12 06:09:25 2019
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2019 12:09:25 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: TO25 Photo
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-------- Forwarded Message --------
Subject: 	TO25 Photo
Date: 	Tue, 12 Nov 2019 09:55:55 -0000
From: 	William Nuttall <tonynuttall at me.com>
To: 	Bernard Newnham <bernard.newnham at ntlworld.com>



Hi Bernie,
Just out of interest BARY WILKINSON sent me this response to the TO25
pic and e mails connected. I said he should join the Tech Ops Web site!!


Reading below your last email . The person called Django may have been 
Richard Douglas-Green( he invented the hyphen to pretend he was related 
to an MP). He is the one bottom row on the left with his legs crossed in 
a slightly effeminate way? He was a fan of Django Reinhart ( excuse 
spelling) who was a famous( he said ) French jazz violinist. Richard 
shared a flat with me and a guy who was an engineer at the Beeb in 
Cardiff. Dave Potts ,top row second along with shiny hair was mocked 
mercilessly and I think dumped into a bath of cold water at the end of 
the course because he knew everything. Tony Maslen , bottom row on the 
right never seemed to sleep in the dorms and we think was out with a 
different lady every night.
Please pass on to the others.
( barry-wilkinson at sky.com <mailto:barry-wilkinson at sky.com>?)

Best wishes

Tony N.

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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Tue Nov 12 10:49:08 2019
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2019 16:49:08 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Age & "Celebrities"
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OK, I?ll admit to being ?old?, but I do not know or have heard of, most of these ?celebrities? who grace our screens on the special shows ? Pointless, Chase, Strictly, I?m a Celebrity etc.
Just stick me in my box and nail down the lid!!
Pat 
(Actually, that?s given me an idea for another couple of programmes: ?Celebrity Heaven? and ?Celebrity Hell? ? could be a bit of mileage with the right format!)
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From vernon.dyer at btinternet.com  Tue Nov 12 13:03:35 2019
From: vernon.dyer at btinternet.com (vernon.dyer)
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2019 19:03:35 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Age & "Celebrities"
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I think Les Dawson had the right phrase for today's "celebs" - 'the best of the cheap acts'!Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.-------- Original message --------From: patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> Date: 12/11/2019  16:49  (GMT+00:00) To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: [Tech1] Age & "Celebrities" OK, I?ll admit to being ?old?, but I do not know or have heard of, most of these ?celebrities? who grace our screens on the special shows ? Pointless, Chase, Strictly, I?m a Celebrity etc.Just stick me in my box and nail down the lid!!Pat (Actually, that?s given me an idea for another couple of programmes: ?Celebrity Heaven? and ?Celebrity Hell? ? could be a bit of mileage with the right format!)Sent from Mail for Windows 10?
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From waresound at msn.com  Tue Nov 12 13:22:07 2019
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2019 19:22:07 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Age & "Celebrities"
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I?m sorry to hear that you?re feeling ready for your coffin, Pat, particularly as you are, give or take a month or so, the same age as me, and I?m certainly not ready!
I do agree though, that ?celebrity? is one of the most irritatingly misused words in the English language. You just have to grit your teeth and accept it as a euphemism for nonentity, which is invariably nearer the truth. As is ?skint, needing to reinvent one?s self?, or ?got a book to promote?, in TV-speak.
It?s worth remembering that watching ?Celebrity? programmes isn?t compulsory. Although I am looking to IACGMOOH, starting Saturday.
Cheers,
Nick.
Sent from my iPad mini 5

On 12 Nov 2019, at 16:49, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

?
OK, I?ll admit to being ?old?, but I do not know or have heard of, most of these ?celebrities? who grace our screens on the special shows ? Pointless, Chase, Strictly, I?m a Celebrity etc.
Just stick me in my box and nail down the lid!!
Pat
(Actually, that?s given me an idea for another couple of programmes: ?Celebrity Heaven? and ?Celebrity Hell? ? could be a bit of mileage with the right format!)
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From geoffletch at gmail.com  Tue Nov 12 14:07:46 2019
From: geoffletch at gmail.com (Geoff Fletcher)
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2019 20:07:46 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Age & "Celebrities"
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i have an admittedly irrational dislike of "celebrity" bloggers! "Oxymoron"
comrs to
mind.
Geoff F

On Tue, 12 Nov 2019 at 19:22, Nick Ware via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
wrote:

> I?m sorry to hear that you?re feeling ready for your coffin, Pat,
> particularly as you are, give or take a month or so, the same age as me,
> and I?m certainly not ready!
> I do agree though, that ?celebrity? is one of the most irritatingly
> misused words in the English language. You just have to grit your teeth and
> accept it as a euphemism for nonentity, which is invariably nearer the
> truth. As is ?skint, needing to reinvent one?s self?, or ?got a book to
> promote?, in TV-speak.
> It?s worth remembering that watching ?Celebrity? programmes isn?t
> compulsory. Although I am looking to IACGMOOH, starting Saturday.
> Cheers,
> Nick.
> Sent from my iPad mini 5
>
> On 12 Nov 2019, at 16:49, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
> ?
>
> OK, I?ll admit to being ?old?, but I do not know or have heard of, most of
> these ?celebrities? who grace our screens on the special shows ? Pointless,
> Chase, Strictly, I?m a Celebrity etc.
>
> Just stick me in my box and nail down the lid!!
>
> Pat
>
> (Actually, that?s given me an idea for another couple of programmes:
> ?Celebrity Heaven? and ?Celebrity Hell? ? could be a bit of mileage with
> the right format!)
>
> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
> Windows 10
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From graeme.wall at icloud.com  Tue Nov 12 14:30:45 2019
From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall)
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2019 20:30:45 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Age & "Celebrities"
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Delete Oxy
? 
Graeme Wall


> On 12 Nov 2019, at 20:07, Geoff Fletcher via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> i have an admittedly irrational dislike of "celebrity" bloggers! "Oxymoron" comrs to
> mind.
> Geoff F
> 
> On Tue, 12 Nov 2019 at 19:22, Nick Ware via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> I?m sorry to hear that you?re feeling ready for your coffin, Pat, particularly as you are, give or take a month or so, the same age as me, and I?m certainly not ready!
> I do agree though, that ?celebrity? is one of the most irritatingly misused words in the English language. You just have to grit your teeth and accept it as a euphemism for nonentity, which is invariably nearer the truth. As is ?skint, needing to reinvent one?s self?, or ?got a book to promote?, in TV-speak.
> It?s worth remembering that watching ?Celebrity? programmes isn?t compulsory. Although I am looking to IACGMOOH, starting Saturday.
> Cheers,
> Nick.
> Sent from my iPad mini 5
> 
>> On 12 Nov 2019, at 16:49, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> ?
>> OK, I?ll admit to being ?old?, but I do not know or have heard of, most of these ?celebrities? who grace our screens on the special shows ? Pointless, Chase, Strictly, I?m a Celebrity etc.
>> 
>> Just stick me in my box and nail down the lid!!
>> 
>> Pat
>> 
>> (Actually, that?s given me an idea for another couple of programmes: ?Celebrity Heaven? and ?Celebrity Hell? ? could be a bit of mileage with the right format!)
>> 
>> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>> 
>>  
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From geoffletch at gmail.com  Tue Nov 12 14:33:37 2019
From: geoffletch at gmail.com (Geoff Fletcher)
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2019 20:33:37 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Age & "Celebrities"
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Fine with me Graeme! ?
Geoff F

On Tue, 12 Nov 2019 at 20:30, Graeme Wall <graeme.wall at icloud.com> wrote:

> Delete Oxy
> ?
> Graeme Wall
>
>
> > On 12 Nov 2019, at 20:07, Geoff Fletcher via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> wrote:
> >
> > i have an admittedly irrational dislike of "celebrity" bloggers!
> "Oxymoron" comrs to
> > mind.
> > Geoff
> >
> > On Tue, 12 Nov 2019 at 19:22, Nick Ware via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> wrote:
> > I?m sorry to hear that you?re feeling ready for your coffin, Pat,
> particularly as you are, give or take a month or so, the same age as me,
> and I?m certainly not ready!
> > I do agree though, that ?celebrity? is one of the most irritatingly
> misused words in the English language. You just have to grit your teeth and
> accept it as a euphemism for nonentity, which is invariably nearer the
> truth. As is ?skint, needing to reinvent one?s self?, or ?got a book to
> promote?, in TV-speak.
> > It?s worth remembering that watching ?Celebrity? programmes isn?t
> compulsory. Although I am looking to IACGMOOH, starting Saturday.
> > Cheers,
> > Nick.
> > Sent from my iPad mini 5
> >
> >> On 12 Nov 2019, at 16:49, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> ?
> >> OK, I?ll admit to being ?old?, but I do not know or have heard of, most
> of these ?celebrities? who grace our screens on the special shows ?
> Pointless, Chase, Strictly, I?m a Celebrity etc.
> >>
> >> Just stick me in my box and nail down the lid!!
> >>
> >> Pat
> >>
> >> (Actually, that?s given me an idea for another couple of programmes:
> ?Celebrity Heaven? and ?Celebrity Hell? ? could be a bit of mileage with
> the right format!)
> >>
> >> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
> >>
> >>
> >>
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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Tue Nov 12 16:20:50 2019
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2019 22:20:50 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] IAACGMOOH
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I have never watched it but I can understand sadists in the audience 
wanting to see these 'slebs' suffering! Cheers, Dave


From rogerbunce at btinternet.com  Wed Nov 13 03:52:50 2019
From: rogerbunce at btinternet.com (ROGER BUNCE)
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2019 09:52:50 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tech1] IAACGMOOH
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 I always felt that the title "Celebrity Pointless" said it all - although reversing the order of the words would be even better.I like the way that Alexander Armstrong introduces them with the words, "Of course, we know you from . . .", which is a way of recognising that most of us will never have heard of them. Usually it turns out that they are the stars of their own Vlogs.I'm still waiting for -"Of course, we know you as the chemist who developed a non-polluting fuel from entirely sustainable sources.""Of course, we know you as the physicist who won the Nobel Prize for your explanation of Quantum Entanglement."or"Of course, we know you as the archeologist who first translated Elamite cuneiform."?At least I recognise the has-beens - being a never-have-been myself.

luv, Rog.

    On Tuesday, 12 November 2019, 22:21:13 GMT, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:  
 
 I have never watched it but I can understand sadists in the audience 
wanting to see these 'slebs' suffering! Cheers, Dave

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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Wed Nov 13 06:18:15 2019
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2019 12:18:15 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] IAACGMOOH
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Exactly, Rog!
I?m fascinated by the poor knowledge exhibited by the ?celebs?
Pat

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: ROGER BUNCE via Tech1
Sent: 13 November 2019 09:54
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Tech1] IAACGMOOH

I always felt that the title "Celebrity Pointless" said it all - although reversing the order of the words would be even better.

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From dave at davesound.co.uk  Wed Nov 13 09:10:37 2019
From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman)
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2019 15:10:37 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Tech1] IAACGMOOH
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In article <1138591644.4552745.1573638770986 at mail.yahoo.com>,
   ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>  I always felt that the title "Celebrity Pointless" said it all -
>  although reversing the order of the words would be even better.I like
>  the way that Alexander Armstrong introduces them with the words, "Of
>  course, we know you from . . .", which is a way of recognising that
>  most of us will never have heard of them. Usually it turns out that
>  they are the stars of their own Vlogs.I'm still waiting for -"Of
>  course, we know you as the chemist who developed a non-polluting fuel
>  from entirely sustainable sources.""Of course, we know you as the
>  physicist who won the Nobel Prize for your explanation of Quantum
>  Entanglement."or"Of course, we know you as the archeologist who first
>  translated Elamite cuneiform." At least I recognise the has-beens -
>  being a never-have-been myself.

It does tend to show quite a few of them up for what they are, though.

I'd say I've usually heard of one or two on most of the specials. And take
great delight in finding their general knowledge rather poorer than my
own. And also take delight in finding those who are actually rather bright
too, outside their speciality field. So really just human like most of us.

-- 
*Some people are only alive because it is illegal to kill.

    Dave Plowman     dave at davesound.co.uk     London SW 12
    


From tony.briselden at gmail.com  Thu Nov 14 10:57:35 2019
From: tony.briselden at gmail.com (Tony Briselden)
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2019 16:57:35 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] 42nd Street
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Saw this show originally in 2018  at Drury Lane with Sheena Easton playing the part that Bonny Langford now had and Clare Halse as Peggy Sawyer so she has been in the complete run. When I learned that 42nd Street was being screened at our local multiplex my wife and I decided we had to go.

Enjoyed the film and thought that it was very good. The sound was brilliant but I was a bit disappointed about the picture. It didn't appear to be as sharp as I thought it should be although it was claimed to be 4K, certainly it didn?t appear as sharp as other theatre films I have seen. in defence of the cinema they are in the middle of a fairly major refit so perhaps this includes technical equipment.

I couldn?t see any of the mics although I looked pretty hard, again perhaps that has to do with the definition.

Anyway glad I saw it and as you say CU?s and mid shots did add a little extra and certainly didn?t detract from what one sees in the theatre.

A bit of show biz news! Clare Halse lives and was married in the next village to us about a couple of miles away.

Tony B

> On 10 Nov 2019, at 22:05, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> So glad you saw and enjoyed it!
> I believe it was filmed the day before I went for the 9th time, (Bob Foley for his 3rd!). The definition was fantastic, I think 4K, and I was pleased that the edit kept to the wide shots when necessary to show the staging. I see from the end credits that it was re-mixed at Pinewood, so will have to talk to my contact to find out who did it.
> I guess that every artiste and band mikes were iso?ed on digital multitrack, so would have loved to have known a bit more about the camera rig etc. The inclusion of CU?s and Mid-shots were extra to having seen it from the Royal circle seats ? the make-up and wigs were superb under the camera scrutiny. Also able to spot where the radio mics were fitted! I knew that the tap effects were miked with mics at calf height under the dancers? tights!
> I managed to attend the very last performance ? it was extremely emotional, half the girls were in tears, and the treads routine elicited a standing ovation, as did little Clare Halse when she took her bow.
> A first class production from the synchronised choreography to the brilliant scenery, both from the design and smooth changes.
> The perspective flat for the start of ?We?re in the Money? took my breath away. I was pleased that the homage to Busby Berkeley with the mirror taking the place of his overhead camera, was filmed as staged.
> Best
> Pat
> <0FE2F71A8FEB41429402983967551697.jpg>
>  
>  
> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10
>  
> From: Julie Mann <mailto:mann.juliemann at googlemail.com>
> Sent: 10 November 2019 21:11
> To: pat.heigham at amps.net <mailto:pat.heigham at amps.net>
> Subject: Re: 42nd Street
>  
> Hello Pat
>  
> Thanks to your recommendation, I went to today's cinema streaming of 42nd Street.
>  
> You were right, it really was worth watching. I thoroughly enjoyed it. I can understand how you have been to see the show so many times.
>  
> I just wanted to say thank you for telling us about the screening, I would never have known about it otherwise.
>  
> With best wishes
> Julie Mann
> (ex BBC Vision Mixer)
>  
> 
> On Wed, 2 Oct 2019, 13:41 patheigham via Tech1, <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:
> Having seen ?42nd Street? ten times at the Theatre Royal, I was eagerly awaiting a viewing of the filmed version.This was being streamed from a New York service, so paid a month?s subscription, BUT, it was DRM not available to the UK. I tried switching my VPN to a US IP address, but it didn?t work as my credit card subscription was obviously from the UK! My sub was refunded. It is being streamed to various cinemas in the UK, on Nov 10th and 12th. Bob Foley and I will watch it in Horsham.
> It really is worth seeing. Hopefully, maybe a Christmas issue of a BluRay might follow. 
> Best Pat
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>  
>  
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Thu Nov 14 11:18:08 2019
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2019 17:18:08 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] 42nd Street
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For my repeated visits to Theatre Royal, I saw all the principals for Brock, and delighted that Clare Halse was in the cast each time. (What a trooper!)
There was no problem with definition at Horsham (The Capitol) absolutely pin-sharp!
See Dave Thompson?s experience:
Pat,

This is just a quick non ?Tech-Ops? email.

 I went to see 42nd Street last night at the High Wycombe Cineworld.

Sadly it was a disaster. I am going to visit the cinema this morning to comment on the showing.

The picture was incorrectly framed so that the sub titles were partially cut off - as were the feet in the long shots.

Have you any idea what format the sound channels would have been in - 5:1, etc 

The front line was heavily featured  centre right and all the solo items were barely audible behind it at the far end of a ?very reverberant room?.

Right of centre dialogue was okay but left of centre was not.

I intend also to point out to them that during the intermission the house lights were not on so that some of the even more elderly audience than me

took their life in their hands trying to visit the loo.


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From: Tony Briselden
Sent: 14 November 2019 16:57
To: patheigham
Cc: Julie Mann; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Tech1] 42nd Street

Saw this show originally in 2018 ?at Drury Lane with Sheena Easton playing the part that Bonny Langford now had and Clare Halse as Peggy Sawyer so she has been in the complete run. When I learned that 42nd Street was being screened at our local multiplex my wife and I decided we had to go.

Enjoyed the film and thought that it was very good. The sound was brilliant but I was a bit disappointed about the picture. It didn't appear to be as sharp as I thought it should be although it was claimed to be 4K, certainly it didn?t appear as sharp as other theatre films I have seen. in defence of the cinema they are in the middle of a fairly major refit so perhaps this includes technical equipment.

I couldn?t see any of the mics although I looked pretty hard, again perhaps that has to do with the definition.

Anyway glad I saw it and as you say CU?s and mid shots did add a little extra and certainly didn?t detract from what one sees in the theatre.

A bit of show biz news! Clare Halse lives and was married in the next village to us about a couple of miles away.

Tony B


On 10 Nov 2019, at 22:05, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

So glad you saw and enjoyed it!
I believe it was filmed the day before I went for the 9th?time, (Bob Foley for his 3rd!). The definition was fantastic, I think 4K, and I was pleased that the edit kept to the wide shots when necessary to show the staging. I see from the end credits that it was re-mixed at Pinewood, so will have to talk to my contact to find out who did it.
I guess that every artiste and band mikes were iso?ed on digital multitrack, so would have loved to have known a bit more about the camera rig etc. The inclusion of CU?s and Mid-shots were extra to having seen it from the Royal circle seats ? the make-up and wigs were superb under the camera scrutiny. Also able to spot where the radio mics were fitted! I knew that the tap effects were miked with mics at calf height under the dancers? tights!
I managed to attend the very last performance ? it was extremely emotional, half the girls were in tears, and the treads routine elicited a standing ovation, as did little Clare Halse when she took her bow.
A first class production from the synchronised choreography to the brilliant scenery, both from the design and smooth changes.
The perspective flat for the start of ?We?re in the Money? took my breath away. I was pleased that the homage to Busby Berkeley with the mirror taking the place of his overhead camera, was filmed as staged.
Best
Pat
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From:?Julie Mann
Sent:?10 November 2019 21:11
To:?pat.heigham at amps.net
Subject:?Re: 42nd Street
?
Hello Pat
?
Thanks to your recommendation, I went to today's cinema streaming of 42nd Street.
?
You were right, it really was worth watching. I thoroughly enjoyed it. I can understand how you have been to see the show so many times.
?
I just wanted to say thank you for telling us about the screening, I would never have known about it otherwise.
?
With best wishes
Julie Mann
(ex BBC Vision Mixer)
?
On Wed, 2 Oct 2019, 13:41 patheigham via Tech1, <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
Having seen ?42nd?Street??ten?times at the Theatre Royal, I was eagerly awaiting a viewing of the filmed version.This was being streamed from a New York service, so paid a month?s subscription, BUT, it was DRM not available to the UK. I tried switching my VPN to a US IP address, but it didn?t work as my credit card subscription was obviously from the UK! My sub was refunded. It is being streamed to various cinemas in the UK, on Nov 10th?and 12th. Bob Foley and I will watch it in Horsham.
It really is worth seeing. Hopefully, maybe a Christmas issue of a BluRay might follow.?
Best Pat
?
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From ian.norman at armoor.co.uk  Fri Nov 15 12:51:51 2019
From: ian.norman at armoor.co.uk (ian.norman at armoor.co.uk)
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2019 18:51:51 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Yet Another Scam
In-Reply-To: <5dcd8c51.1c69fb81.edf9f.1e5e@mx.google.com>
References: <CALDJmAMaC+vOiwYt_zBvPcbCo_820uyKPU3BSCZcADdXZOweXg@mail.gmail.com>
	<5dc889b8.1c69fb81.eddb.4e64@mx.google.com>
	<FFF0EDA0-E0AA-42E7-BB62-F3B2835A1833@gmail.com>
	<5dcd8c51.1c69fb81.edf9f.1e5e@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <0cd6cc28-a92e-d329-c3c7-5663b0051a90@armoor.plus.com>

Hello!

Today I received an automated telephone call supposedly from the fraud 
department of my credit card company saying my card had been used for a 
purchase of ?600 fifteen minutes earlier.

Press '1' to reject the payment if I thought it was fraudulent.

Naturally, I did nothing and hung up.  I then proceeded to check my 
cards online and of course there was no such transaction.

It's just another scam.

Thought I'd mention it in case anyone on the list receives a similar call.


Best regards

Ian Norman


From pat.heigham at amps.net  Fri Nov 15 12:58:21 2019
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2019 18:58:21 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] 42nd Street
In-Reply-To: <FFF0EDA0-E0AA-42E7-BB62-F3B2835A1833@gmail.com>
References: <CALDJmAMaC+vOiwYt_zBvPcbCo_820uyKPU3BSCZcADdXZOweXg@mail.gmail.com>
	<5dc889b8.1c69fb81.eddb.4e64@mx.google.com>
	<FFF0EDA0-E0AA-42E7-BB62-F3B2835A1833@gmail.com>
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I was eagerly looking forward to the filmed version and pleased that the wide shots were used to show the brilliant scenery and staging where needed.
I and other BBC friends saw it in Horsham, and couldn?t fault the presentation ? pin-sharp definition, and reasonable surround, as the audience reaction tracks had been put there.
Unlike Dave Thompson?s experience, see below.
How can the theatres justify the seat prices when it?s lousy presentation!
Yes, having seen the live theatre show, colours one?s appreciation, but the filmed version wasn?t bad.
Best
Pat

This is just a quick non ?Tech-Ops? email.

 I went to see 42nd Street last night at the High Wycombe Cineworld.

Sadly it was a disaster. I am going to visit the cinema this morning to comment on the showing.

The picture was incorrectly framed so that the sub titles were partially cut off - as were the feet in the long shots.

Have you any idea what format the sound channels would have been in - 5:1, etc 

The front line was heavily featured  centre right and all the solo items were barely audible behind it at the far end of a ?very reverberant room?.

Right of centre dialogue was okay but left of centre was not.

I intend also to point out to them that during the intermission the house lights were not on so that some of the even more elderly audience than me

took their life in their hands trying to visit the loo.

You may not see this in time because I intend the visit to be later this morning, but if you do a quick call on 07773333589 would be useful.

Regards

David Thompson

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Tony Briselden
Sent: 14 November 2019 16:57
To: patheigham
Cc: Julie Mann; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Tech1] 42nd Street

Saw this show originally in 2018 ?at Drury Lane with Sheena Easton playing the part that Bonny Langford now had and Clare Halse as Peggy Sawyer so she has been in the complete run. When I learned that 42nd Street was being screened at our local multiplex my wife and I decided we had to go.

Enjoyed the film and thought that it was very good. The sound was brilliant but I was a bit disappointed about the picture. It didn't appear to be as sharp as I thought it should be although it was claimed to be 4K, certainly it didn?t appear as sharp as other theatre films I have seen. in defence of the cinema they are in the middle of a fairly major refit so perhaps this includes technical equipment.

I couldn?t see any of the mics although I looked pretty hard, again perhaps that has to do with the definition.

Anyway glad I saw it and as you say CU?s and mid shots did add a little extra and certainly didn?t detract from what one sees in the theatre.

A bit of show biz news! Clare Halse lives and was married in the next village to us about a couple of miles away.

Tony B



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From timhealy935 at btinternet.com  Fri Nov 15 15:29:32 2019
From: timhealy935 at btinternet.com (Michael Healy)
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2019 21:29:32 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] And another scam
Message-ID: <2354B37B-6FB9-4FBE-9F59-3D13959EA2EA@btinternet.com>

Got an email this morning from Tv license people to say that the payment for my license was rejected by my bank and that I should reenter my bank details via the provided link.  That made it a ringer as I?m an old git and it?s free. However how did they know that the renewal was due about now (10th. November)?  Mail looked very authentic.

Regards to all
Tim H

From billjenkin67 at gmail.com  Fri Nov 15 15:58:05 2019
From: billjenkin67 at gmail.com (Bill Jenkin)
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2019 21:58:05 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] And another scam
In-Reply-To: <2354B37B-6FB9-4FBE-9F59-3D13959EA2EA@btinternet.com>
References: <2354B37B-6FB9-4FBE-9F59-3D13959EA2EA@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <CAE6tP4BWQzRzndTYcio1pWZEknbJ2DcNuLf_cOGrMwVapr=eLw@mail.gmail.com>

I got that one and might have been taken in except that I had already had
an email from TVlicensing thanking me for renewing by direct debit with the
new license attached. Plus I knew the payment(s) had already gone from my
bank account and nothing had changed. However it was probably closest I
have ever got to being duped. The two emails arrived on the same day.
Bill J

On Fri, 15 Nov 2019, 21:30 Michael Healy via Tech1, <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
wrote:

> Got an email this morning from Tv license people to say that the payment
> for my license was rejected by my bank and that I should reenter my bank
> details via the provided link.  That made it a ringer as I?m an old git and
> it?s free. However how did they know that the renewal was due about now
> (10th. November)?  Mail looked very authentic.
>
> Regards to all
> Tim H
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From vernon.dyer at btinternet.com  Fri Nov 15 16:21:49 2019
From: vernon.dyer at btinternet.com (vernon.dyer)
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2019 22:21:49 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] And another scam
Message-ID: <5ljcwl4gkg0lej2opgh8rbuh.1573856509392@email.android.com>

I had that one too. Deleted it straight away, but it just goes to show you have to be on your guard all the time.??Take care? .....? Vern?Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.-------- Original message --------From: Michael Healy via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> Date: 15/11/2019  21:29  (GMT+00:00) To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: [Tech1] And another scam Got an email this morning from Tv license people to say that the payment for my license was rejected by my bank and that I should reenter my bank details via the provided link.? That made it a ringer as I?m an old git and it?s free. However how did they know that the renewal was due about now (10th. November)?? Mail looked very authentic.Regards to allTim H-- Tech1 mailing listTech1 at tech-ops.co.ukhttp://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk
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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Fri Nov 15 18:14:16 2019
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2019 00:14:16 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] ..... and another scam (or two!)
In-Reply-To: <5ljcwl4gkg0lej2opgh8rbuh.1573856509392@email.android.com>
References: <5ljcwl4gkg0lej2opgh8rbuh.1573856509392@email.android.com>
Message-ID: <86344924-7484-6265-a1d1-d761f9d1e593@btinternet.com>

Yesterday I had three 'silent calls' and a recorded message from an 
American female to tell me that 'my Amazon Prime account was about to 
auto-renew and that ?39.99 would be taken from my bank account' - last 
week it was ?79.99! Since I don't have a Prime account I am not too 
worried. Last week my wife was informed that 'a warrant had been issued 
for her arrest, press button 1 to speak to your case officer'. I have 
had several calls from the Microsoft service centre about my PC being 
under attack, calls from my 'Internet service provider' that tells me 
that my account has been compromised etc. and so on. I always ask them 
politely what the weather is like in Mumbai, does their mother know that 
they are spending all day telling lies trying to get money from old-age 
pensioners, etc. and then I say that I have got an Apple Mac or that I 
run Linux, if they can lie why can't I? Cheers, Dave


From alanaudio at me.com  Fri Nov 15 18:33:26 2019
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2019 00:33:26 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] ..... and another scam (or two!)
In-Reply-To: <86344924-7484-6265-a1d1-d761f9d1e593@btinternet.com>
References: <86344924-7484-6265-a1d1-d761f9d1e593@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <A0CDAA73-240D-48B0-8865-134EFCBA76D3@me.com>

My wife gets frequent calls saying that they understand she recently had an accident. She had such a call earlier this week and asked the caller not to disturb her while she was in hospital.  The caller perked up, sensing a business opportunity and asked how long she is expecting to be in hospital. She replied, ?about ten years or so , unless I take early retirement?. 

Alan Taylor

> On 16 Nov 2019, at 00:14, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?Yesterday I had three 'silent calls' and a recorded message from an American female to tell me that 'my Amazon Prime account was about to auto-renew and that ?39.99 would be taken from my bank account' - last week it was ?79.99! Since I don't have a Prime account I am not too worried. Last week my wife was informed that 'a warrant had been issued for her arrest, press button 1 to speak to your case officer'. I have had several calls from the Microsoft service centre about my PC being under attack, calls from my 'Internet service provider' that tells me that my account has been compromised etc. and so on. I always ask them politely what the weather is like in Mumbai, does their mother know that they are spending all day telling lies trying to get money from old-age pensioners, etc. and then I say that I have got an Apple Mac or that I run Linux, if they can lie why can't I? Cheers, Dave
> 
> -- 
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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Fri Nov 15 18:46:22 2019
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2019 00:46:22 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] ..... and another scam (or three!)
In-Reply-To: <A0CDAA73-240D-48B0-8865-134EFCBA76D3@me.com>
References: <86344924-7484-6265-a1d1-d761f9d1e593@btinternet.com>
	<A0CDAA73-240D-48B0-8865-134EFCBA76D3@me.com>
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Nice one Alan, we often get calls from 'Ambulance Chasers' about an 
accident which happened to my wife's car in a garden centre car park. 
She was shopping at the time and an older lady driver was so taken with 
the colour of my wife's 'pink' Honda Jazz that she drove into it! (it is 
actually 'Iris Red'!). Anyway, she felt so guilty that she went back to 
the garden centre and got in touch with my wife and confessed and the 
insurance was sorted out. Obviously, there was no-one in the car at the 
time of the accident but we still get enquiries about whip-lash etc.! 
Cheers, Dave


From jpn at imixmics.co.uk  Sat Nov 16 02:16:05 2019
From: jpn at imixmics.co.uk (John Nottage)
Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2019 08:16:05 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Cheap Sound Cables
Message-ID: <96323631-a90d-d10e-c817-f3368e3d2c4a@imixmics.co.uk>

My local church hall needs a few mic cables run from backstage to the 
sound desk at the back of the auditorium. A trawl through the internet 
has produced the following:

https://www.gear4music.com/PA-DJ-and-Lighting/SubZero-16-Channel-Stage-Box-12-In---4-Out-25m/1ZLL

and

http://www.pulse-audio.co.uk/product/pls00323/

Either of these would seem a much cheaper option than running several 
individual mic cables.

Has anyone in this group used either of these companies or know of any 
other suppliers? The hall budget is very modest so we need to go for a 
low-cost option. I assume the delivery cost will be quite high (I 
haven't looked into that yet) as we're out on the Suffolk coast.

Any advice gratefully received. Thank you.

John


From waresound at msn.com  Sat Nov 16 03:35:58 2019
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2019 09:35:58 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Fwd:  Cheap Sound Cables
In-Reply-To: <VI1P192MB0271C2655D5ACC28AB9A6CD9A7730@VI1P192MB0271.EURP192.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
References: <96323631-a90d-d10e-c817-f3368e3d2c4a@imixmics.co.uk>,
	<VI1P192MB0271C2655D5ACC28AB9A6CD9A7730@VI1P192MB0271.EURP192.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
Message-ID: <VI1P192MB0271FD25AF6BE191E7A1E6CAA7730@VI1P192MB0271.EURP192.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

Oops, in case it?s of interest to others I?ve re-sent to TechOps. For a moment there I thought I was replying to an IPS enquiry!
Nick.
Sent from my iPad mini 5

Begin forwarded message:

From: Nick Ware <Waresound at msn.com>
Date: 16 November 2019 at 09:29:31 GMT
To: John Nottage <jpn at imixmics.co.uk>
Subject: Re:  [Tech1] Cheap Sound Cables

?I?ve used cheap ?n cheerful mic multiways in a number of church, school, and village hall installations, some as much as 20 years or more ago. None have failed in any way yet. OK, they?re almost certainly not ?rigger-proof?, and the connectors are not Neutriks, but I would say perfectly good for the relatively genteel semi-permanent installation you probably have in mind.
Gear4music has over the past few years become my first go-to for pro-audio. Invariably best on price and stock, and speed of delivery. And didn?t I read somewhere that there?s been an IPS members? discount agreed?
I think for this type of use, our traditional suppliers and our obsession with star-quad etc., might not be the best or most cost effective solution.

As with any cable, no matter good or expensive, the key has to be - show them how to coil them properly or they will end up in a hideous mess that won?t lie flat and becomes a trip hazard!

If you have Amazon Prime, search ?microphone multicore cables?. There are plenty of ?how the hell do they do it at the price?? options there with free delivery.

But having said the above, I have to say that for my own personal use, it?s Canford cables and Neutriks every time! (Not that that?s very often nowadays).

Someone in our business once told me: ?You don?t need a Ferrari to get to Sainsbury?s; a Nissan Micra will do the job just as well!?
Cheers,
Nick.

Sent from my iPad mini 5

On 16 Nov 2019, at 08:16, John Nottage via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

?My local church hall needs a few mic cables run from backstage to the sound desk at the back of the auditorium. A trawl through the internet has produced the following:

https://www.gear4music.com/PA-DJ-and-Lighting/SubZero-16-Channel-Stage-Box-12-In---4-Out-25m/1ZLL

and

http://www.pulse-audio.co.uk/product/pls00323/

Either of these would seem a much cheaper option than running several individual mic cables.

Has anyone in this group used either of these companies or know of any other suppliers? The hall budget is very modest so we need to go for a low-cost option. I assume the delivery cost will be quite high (I haven't looked into that yet) as we're out on the Suffolk coast.

Any advice gratefully received.
Thank you,

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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Sat Nov 16 03:47:57 2019
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2019 09:47:57 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: Identification
In-Reply-To: <156001d59c50$81c7f660$8557e320$@blueyonder.co.uk>
References: <156001d59c50$81c7f660$8557e320$@blueyonder.co.uk>
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-------- Forwarded Message --------
Subject: 	Identification
Date: 	Sat, 16 Nov 2019 07:36:03 -0000
From: 	Clive Doig <clivedoig at blueyonder.co.uk>
To: 	'Bernard Newnham' <bernie833 at gmail.com>



Hi Bernie

Can you pass the attached photo round techops, as I do not have access 
to the main chat group. Dr. Who bods would like to identify the 
cameraman shown here.

Cam 2. Circa late 1966 . ?The Power of the Daleks? (Patrick Troughton 
and Anneke Wills) Riverside.

Wow! Those were the days!!

The photo, to me, looks slightly posed, as the cameraman is not wearing 
cans and doesn?t look as if he is operating. But that may have been his 
style!

Please get back to me

Best

Clive

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From alanaudio at me.com  Sat Nov 16 03:51:46 2019
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2019 09:51:46 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Cheap Sound Cables
In-Reply-To: <96323631-a90d-d10e-c817-f3368e3d2c4a@imixmics.co.uk>
References: <96323631-a90d-d10e-c817-f3368e3d2c4a@imixmics.co.uk>
Message-ID: <99BC75CE-12D0-491B-8717-96DF4185FA88@me.com>

I haven't used those companies, but for similar items, I usually look first at Studiospares.  I've been dealing with them for more than 30 years while their business operation has grown and have always been delighted with their products and service.  The company is run by sound people and although they offer plenty of gear at the budget end of the spectrum, they don't sell rubbish.  If you look at their snakes compared to the ones you're considering, their price is a bit higher, but the build quality is much higher too.

They used to have a showroom on the north Circular by Staples Corner, but their new showroom and warehouse is in Luton.  You can pop in and pick up stuff straight away if that's a preferred option, but of course they deliver too.

Alan Taylor







On 16 Nov 2019, at 16 Nov . 08:16, John Nottage via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

> My local church hall needs a few mic cables run from backstage to the sound desk at the back of the auditorium. A trawl through the internet has produced the following:
> 
> https://www.gear4music.com/PA-DJ-and-Lighting/SubZero-16-Channel-Stage-Box-12-In---4-Out-25m/1ZLL
> 
> and
> 
> http://www.pulse-audio.co.uk/product/pls00323/
> 
> Either of these would seem a much cheaper option than running several individual mic cables.
> 
> Has anyone in this group used either of these companies or know of any other suppliers? The hall budget is very modest so we need to go for a low-cost option. I assume the delivery cost will be quite high (I haven't looked into that yet) as we're out on the Suffolk coast.
> 
> Any advice gratefully received. Thank you.
> 
> John
> 
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From graeme.wall at icloud.com  Sat Nov 16 03:58:48 2019
From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall)
Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2019 09:58:48 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Identification
In-Reply-To: <a42780da-3318-c6b6-2b81-427a90e97339@gmail.com>
References: <156001d59c50$81c7f660$8557e320$@blueyonder.co.uk>
	<a42780da-3318-c6b6-2b81-427a90e97339@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B7F5E71D-69EE-4E56-89B8-DA9C9906D5F8@icloud.com>

Look carefully and he is wearing cans.
? 
Graeme Wall


> On 16 Nov 2019, at 09:47, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -------- Forwarded Message --------
> Subject:	Identification
> Date:	Sat, 16 Nov 2019 07:36:03 -0000
> From:	Clive Doig <clivedoig at blueyonder.co.uk>
> To:	'Bernard Newnham' <bernie833 at gmail.com>
> 
> 
> Hi Bernie
>  
> Can you pass the attached photo round techops, as I do not have access to the main chat group. Dr. Who bods would like to identify the cameraman shown here.
> Cam 2. Circa late 1966 . ?The Power of the Daleks? (Patrick Troughton and Anneke Wills) Riverside.
> Wow! Those were the days!!
> The photo, to me, looks slightly posed, as the cameraman is not wearing cans and doesn?t look as if he is operating. But that may have been his style!
>  
> Please get back to me 
>  
> Best
>  
> Clive
> <51 (002).jpg>-- 
> Tech1 mailing list
> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk



From bernie833 at gmail.com  Sat Nov 16 03:59:35 2019
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2019 09:59:35 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: Cheap Sound Cables
In-Reply-To: <VI1P192MB0271FD25AF6BE191E7A1E6CAA7730@VI1P192MB0271.EURP192.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
References: <96323631-a90d-d10e-c817-f3368e3d2c4a@imixmics.co.uk>
	<VI1P192MB0271C2655D5ACC28AB9A6CD9A7730@VI1P192MB0271.EURP192.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
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Message-ID: <acaa31ad-1fee-4a91-bbf7-afd628afad82@gmail.com>



On 16/11/2019 09:35, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote:
> As with any cable, no matter good or expensive, the key has to be - 
> show them how to coil them properly 

On my tiny sound attachment in 1967 I learned to coil cables the 
then-BBC way, just wind them up neatly and tie a loose knot to hold 
them. Always a joy in the Theatre band room.

Then, back in 2012 I taught short courses to university students, mostly 
journalists, who wanted to do their bit at the Olympics.? The request 
from OBS was for over-and-under cabling, of which I knew nothing.? I 
looked it up on YouTube and eventually found an American who 
demonstrated in a sensible manner - always a problem on YouTube. We had 
lots of fun (not) in an empty uni corridor showing students the method 
and not always succeeding ourselves.

So what is the current "coil properly"? ?

B

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From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk  Sat Nov 16 10:41:40 2019
From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf)
Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2019 16:41:40 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: Identification
In-Reply-To: <a42780da-3318-c6b6-2b81-427a90e97339@gmail.com>
References: <156001d59c50$81c7f660$8557e320$@blueyonder.co.uk>
	<a42780da-3318-c6b6-2b81-427a90e97339@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9148ed00-eb9b-0201-0706-0d7b649b95b6@chriswoolf.co.uk>

Yes, he is wearing cans - look closely - right can is "off" (behind his 
ear). But I don't know who he is.

This must be Riverside? Pye camera and sputniks for lighting - Mole boom 
with 4033.

Chris Woolf

On 16/11/2019 09:47, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote:
>
>
>
> -------- Forwarded Message --------
> Subject: 	Identification
> Date: 	Sat, 16 Nov 2019 07:36:03 -0000
> From: 	Clive Doig <clivedoig at blueyonder.co.uk>
> To: 	'Bernard Newnham' <bernie833 at gmail.com>
>
>
>
> Hi Bernie
>
> Can you pass the attached photo round techops, as I do not have access 
> to the main chat group. Dr. Who bods would like to identify the 
> cameraman shown here.
>
> Cam 2. Circa late 1966 . ?The Power of the Daleks? (Patrick Troughton 
> and Anneke Wills) Riverside.
>
> Wow! Those were the days!!
>
> The photo, to me, looks slightly posed, as the cameraman is not 
> wearing cans and doesn?t look as if he is operating. But that may have 
> been his style!
>
> Please get back to me
>
> Best
>
> Clive
>
>
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From rogerbunce at btinternet.com  Sun Nov 17 07:17:59 2019
From: rogerbunce at btinternet.com (ROGER BUNCE)
Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2019 13:17:59 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: Identification
References: <221196831.2307059.1573996679470.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <221196831.2307059.1573996679470@mail.yahoo.com>

 Okay -The Doctor Who Production Guide says that Crew One worked on "Power of the Daleks" - which means Doug Routledge as Senior Cameraman.A Crew List on the Tech-Ops site, from 1967 (does anyone have a closer one?), gives Crew One as -Cam 1: D. RoutledgeCam 2: M. DillyCam 3: P.L.A. DavisCam 4: C. HallsDo 1: D.S. LawsonDo 2: I.R. StanyonC.R.: G.E. TiversThere're a couple of names there that I don't remember but, given the hair colour and general physique of the character in the photo, I think that a youthful Martin Dilly might be a reasonable guess. Unless anyone has a better idea? (Martin? Dave? Gerry?)
luv, Rog

     On Saturday, 16 November 2019, 09:48:40 GMT, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:  
 
   
 
 
 -------- Forwarded Message -------- 
| Subject:  | Identification |
| Date:  | Sat, 16 Nov 2019 07:36:03 -0000 |
| From:  | Clive Doig <clivedoig at blueyonder.co.uk> |
| To:  | 'Bernard Newnham' <bernie833 at gmail.com> |

 
 
  
Hi Bernie
 
 ?
 
Can you pass the attached photo round techops, as I do not have access to the main chat group. Dr. Who bods would like to identify the cameraman shown here.
 
 Cam 2. Circa late 1966 . ?The Power of the Daleks? (Patrick Troughton and Anneke Wills) Riverside.
 
Wow! Those were the days!!
 
The photo, to me, looks slightly posed, as the cameraman is not wearing cans and doesn?t look as if he is operating. But that may have been his style!
 
 ?
 
Please get back to me 
 
 ?
 
Best
 
 ?
 
Clive
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Sun Nov 17 09:59:25 2019
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2019 15:59:25 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] ..... and another scam (or three!)
In-Reply-To: <d5991373-c1d1-f825-151a-b3c900a44f88@btinternet.com>
References: <86344924-7484-6265-a1d1-d761f9d1e593@btinternet.com>
	<A0CDAA73-240D-48B0-8865-134EFCBA76D3@me.com>
	<d5991373-c1d1-f825-151a-b3c900a44f88@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <5dd16e5d.1c69fb81.79091.9786@mx.google.com>

I have a simple way of dealing with unwanted calls.
My phones have Caller Display ? if the incoming number is in the memory, it will indicate. If the number shows as International, or Withheld, or just blank, then I let the answer machine pick up.
Usually the line is dropped for scam/fake calls. Genuine callers will leave a message.
Works for me.
Pat

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: dave.mdv via Tech1
Sent: 16 November 2019 00:46
To: Alan Taylor; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Tech1] ..... and another scam (or three!)

Nice one Alan, we often get calls from 'Ambulance Chasers' about an 
accident which happened to my wife's car in a garden centre car park. 
She was shopping at the time and an older lady driver was so taken with 
the colour of my wife's 'pink' Honda Jazz that she drove into it! (it is 
actually 'Iris Red'!). Anyway, she felt so guilty that she went back to 
the garden centre and got in touch with my wife and confessed and the 
insurance was sorted out. Obviously, there was no-one in the car at the 
time of the accident but we still get enquiries about whip-lash etc.! 
Cheers, Dave

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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Sun Nov 17 11:59:12 2019
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2019 17:59:12 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Folklore
Message-ID: <b226a87a-a280-e2f3-e357-651121dbee1b@btinternet.com>

The Winter edition of the excellent Evergreen magazine has a very 
interesting article about superstitions through the ages. One useful one 
for us, as the 'Telobians' approaches, is that 'holed' stones had 
curative powers for those stricken with sickness or who had imbibed 
alcohol to excess! Whoopee! Cheeers, hic, Dave


From peter.fox at zero51.force9.co.uk  Sun Nov 17 14:35:10 2019
From: peter.fox at zero51.force9.co.uk (Peter Fox)
Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2019 20:35:10 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: Identification
In-Reply-To: <221196831.2307059.1573996679470@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <221196831.2307059.1573996679470@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <573AD9AE-B88E-4A84-A089-D8022719C44B@zero51.force9.co.uk>

Funnily enough(?) Martin Dilly crossed my mind too 

Peter Fox

> On 17 Nov 2019, at 13:20, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Okay -
> The Doctor Who Production Guide says that Crew One worked on "Power of the Daleks" - which means Doug Routledge as Senior Cameraman.
> A Crew List on the Tech-Ops site, from 1967 (does anyone have a closer one?), gives Crew One as -
> Cam 1: D. Routledge
> Cam 2: M. Dilly
> Cam 3: P.L.A. Davis
> Cam 4: C. Halls
> Do 1: D.S. Lawson
> Do 2: I.R. Stanyon
> C.R.: G.E. Tivers
> There're a couple of names there that I don't remember but, given the hair colour and general physique of the character in the photo, I think that a youthful Martin Dilly might be a reasonable guess. Unless anyone has a better idea? (Martin? Dave? Gerry?)
> 
> luv, Rog
> 
> 
> On Saturday, 16 November 2019, 09:48:40 GMT, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -------- Forwarded Message --------
> Subject:	Identification
> Date:	Sat, 16 Nov 2019 07:36:03 -0000
> From:	Clive Doig <clivedoig at blueyonder.co.uk>
> To:	'Bernard Newnham' <bernie833 at gmail.com>
> 
> 
> Hi Bernie
> 
>  
> 
> Can you pass the attached photo round techops, as I do not have access to the main chat group. Dr. Who bods would like to identify the cameraman shown here.
> 
> Cam 2. Circa late 1966 . ?The Power of the Daleks? (Patrick Troughton and Anneke Wills) Riverside.
> 
> Wow! Those were the days!!
> 
> The photo, to me, looks slightly posed, as the cameraman is not wearing cans and doesn?t look as if he is operating. But that may have been his style!
> 
>  
> 
> Please get back to me
> 
>  
> 
> Best
> 
>  
> 
> Clive
> 
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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Sun Nov 17 15:03:44 2019
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2019 21:03:44 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Holidays in 2020
Message-ID: <e70537ec-c9de-dc2a-6970-d99075715031@btinternet.com>

Just a quick reminder for all you railway enthusiasts that there are 
severe penalties in force on some of the heritage lines, e.g. the 
Somerset and Dorset, as per the attached notice, no dripping cocks 
please! Cheers, Dave
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From dave at davesound.co.uk  Mon Nov 18 08:24:09 2019
From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman)
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2019 14:24:09 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Tech1] ..... and another scam (or three!)
In-Reply-To: <5dd16e5d.1c69fb81.79091.9786@mx.google.com>
References: <86344924-7484-6265-a1d1-d761f9d1e593@btinternet.com>
	<A0CDAA73-240D-48B0-8865-134EFCBA76D3@me.com>
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	<5dd16e5d.1c69fb81.79091.9786@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <5814e3a335dave@davesound.co.uk>

In article <5dd16e5d.1c69fb81.79091.9786 at mx.google.com>,
   patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> I have a simple way of dealing with unwanted calls. My phones have
> Caller Display ? if the incoming number is in the memory, it will
> indicate. If the number shows as International, or Withheld, or just
> blank, then I let the answer machine pick up. Usually the line is
> dropped for scam/fake calls. Genuine callers will leave a message.

I have a TrueCall unit which works on all the landline phones in the
house. You load your phone book into it, and any number in that gets
straight through as normal. Others have to follow a procedure to leave a
message on it which a scammer simply won't bother do do. Things like
hospital switcbboards and so on (where their outgoing number isn't in your
address book) seem happy enough to use it. 

It's not free, but the total lack of scam calls makes it worth every penny
to me.

-- 
*I don't suffer from insanity, I enjoy every minute of it *

    Dave Plowman     dave at davesound.co.uk     London SW 12
    


From rogerbunce at btinternet.com  Mon Nov 18 10:39:51 2019
From: rogerbunce at btinternet.com (ROGER BUNCE)
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2019 16:39:51 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tech1] Identification 2
References: <1392876078.3334139.1574095191279.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1392876078.3334139.1574095191279@mail.yahoo.com>

Another identity question. Does anyone recognise this character? - visible only in a few frames as he drags his ped through shot, in Pres. B. It looks a bit like Ian Head to me, but he may have been too young at the time. The programme was 'One Man's Week', starring John Wells, and broadcast in November 1971.
luv, Rog.
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From roybailey100 at gmail.com  Mon Nov 18 11:07:15 2019
From: roybailey100 at gmail.com (Roy Bailey)
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2019 17:07:15 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Identification 2
In-Reply-To: <1392876078.3334139.1574095191279@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1392876078.3334139.1574095191279.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<1392876078.3334139.1574095191279@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CAEoXqV3iJ7xCs8AFNqAni3wHcEbUbdaC-8JsKk34GYxQ8Q2JOA@mail.gmail.com>

Rex Palmer???

On Mon, 18 Nov 2019 at 16:40, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
wrote:

> Another identity question. Does anyone recognise this character? - visible
> only in a few frames as he drags his ped through shot, in Pres. B. It looks
> a bit like Ian Head to me, but he may have been too young at the time. The
> programme was 'One Man's Week', starring John Wells, and broadcast in
> November 1971.
>
> luv, Rog.
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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Mon Nov 18 12:13:22 2019
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2019 18:13:22 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Identification 2
In-Reply-To: <CAEoXqV3iJ7xCs8AFNqAni3wHcEbUbdaC-8JsKk34GYxQ8Q2JOA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1392876078.3334139.1574095191279.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<1392876078.3334139.1574095191279@mail.yahoo.com>
	<CAEoXqV3iJ7xCs8AFNqAni3wHcEbUbdaC-8JsKk34GYxQ8Q2JOA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAA7MLyHK0FSW3nUfkuHxO+Ufh2bUYRmSKXszNaz9R6_xBqQX3A@mail.gmail.com>

I was hoping to say that

B

On Mon, 18 Nov 2019, 17:08 Roy Bailey via Tech1, <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
wrote:

> Rex Palmer???
>
> On Mon, 18 Nov 2019 at 16:40, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
>> Another identity question. Does anyone recognise this character? -
>> visible only in a few frames as he drags his ped through shot, in Pres. B.
>> It looks a bit like Ian Head to me, but he may have been too young at the
>> time. The programme was 'One Man's Week', starring John Wells, and
>> broadcast in November 1971.
>>
>> luv, Rog.
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From waresound at msn.com  Mon Nov 18 13:00:19 2019
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2019 19:00:19 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Identification 2
In-Reply-To: <CAEoXqV3iJ7xCs8AFNqAni3wHcEbUbdaC-8JsKk34GYxQ8Q2JOA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1392876078.3334139.1574095191279.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<1392876078.3334139.1574095191279@mail.yahoo.com>,
	<CAEoXqV3iJ7xCs8AFNqAni3wHcEbUbdaC-8JsKk34GYxQ8Q2JOA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <DB7P192MB026527538928AC17B3C0F3C3A74D0@DB7P192MB0265.EURP192.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

Seconded,

Sent from my iPad mini 5

On 18 Nov 2019, at 17:08, Roy Bailey via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

?
Rex Palmer???

On Mon, 18 Nov 2019 at 16:40, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk<mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:
Another identity question. Does anyone recognise this character? - visible only in a few frames as he drags his ped through shot, in Pres. B. It looks a bit like Ian Head to me, but he may have been too young at the time. The programme was 'One Man's Week', starring John Wells, and broadcast in November 1971.

luv, Rog.
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From waresound at msn.com  Mon Nov 18 13:03:54 2019
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2019 19:03:54 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Identification 2
In-Reply-To: <DB7P192MB026527538928AC17B3C0F3C3A74D0@DB7P192MB0265.EURP192.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
References: <1392876078.3334139.1574095191279.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<1392876078.3334139.1574095191279@mail.yahoo.com>,
	<CAEoXqV3iJ7xCs8AFNqAni3wHcEbUbdaC-8JsKk34GYxQ8Q2JOA@mail.gmail.com>,
	<DB7P192MB026527538928AC17B3C0F3C3A74D0@DB7P192MB0265.EURP192.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
Message-ID: <DB7P192MB0265B3E4F1116CEB86CEF8A4A74D0@DB7P192MB0265.EURP192.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

The fun we had in Rick Gardner?s house in Hanwell! Where are you now, Rex?
Nick.

Sent from my iPad mini 5

On 18 Nov 2019, at 19:00, Nick Ware <Waresound at msn.com> wrote:

? Seconded,

Sent from my iPad mini 5

On 18 Nov 2019, at 17:08, Roy Bailey via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

?
Rex Palmer???

On Mon, 18 Nov 2019 at 16:40, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk<mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:
Another identity question. Does anyone recognise this character? - visible only in a few frames as he drags his ped through shot, in Pres. B. It looks a bit like Ian Head to me, but he may have been too young at the time. The programme was 'One Man's Week', starring John Wells, and broadcast in November 1971.

luv, Rog.
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From graeme.wall at icloud.com  Mon Nov 18 14:03:55 2019
From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall)
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2019 20:03:55 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Identification 2
In-Reply-To: <DB7P192MB0265B3E4F1116CEB86CEF8A4A74D0@DB7P192MB0265.EURP192.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
References: <1392876078.3334139.1574095191279.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<1392876078.3334139.1574095191279@mail.yahoo.com>
	<CAEoXqV3iJ7xCs8AFNqAni3wHcEbUbdaC-8JsKk34GYxQ8Q2JOA@mail.gmail.com>
	<DB7P192MB026527538928AC17B3C0F3C3A74D0@DB7P192MB0265.EURP192.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
	<DB7P192MB0265B3E4F1116CEB86CEF8A4A74D0@DB7P192MB0265.EURP192.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
Message-ID: <C1EF6658-1B9B-4F09-A7F0-965A286996DE@icloud.com>

Last heard of working on Formula 1
? 
Graeme Wall


> On 18 Nov 2019, at 19:03, Nick Ware via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> The fun we had in Rick Gardner?s house in Hanwell! Where are you now, Rex?
> Nick.
> 
> Sent from my iPad mini 5
> 
>> On 18 Nov 2019, at 19:00, Nick Ware <Waresound at msn.com> wrote:
>> 
>> ? Seconded,
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad mini 5
>> 
>>> On 18 Nov 2019, at 17:08, Roy Bailey via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?
>>> Rex Palmer???
>>> 
>>> On Mon, 18 Nov 2019 at 16:40, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> Another identity question. Does anyone recognise this character? - visible only in a few frames as he drags his ped through shot, in Pres. B. It looks a bit like Ian Head to me, but he may have been too young at the time. The programme was 'One Man's Week', starring John Wells, and broadcast in November 1971.
>>> 
>>> luv, Rog.
>>> -- 
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From rogerbunce at btinternet.com  Mon Nov 18 15:42:58 2019
From: rogerbunce at btinternet.com (ROGER BUNCE)
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2019 21:42:58 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tech1] Identification 2
In-Reply-To: <C1EF6658-1B9B-4F09-A7F0-965A286996DE@icloud.com>
References: <1392876078.3334139.1574095191279.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<1392876078.3334139.1574095191279@mail.yahoo.com>
	<CAEoXqV3iJ7xCs8AFNqAni3wHcEbUbdaC-8JsKk34GYxQ8Q2JOA@mail.gmail.com>
	<DB7P192MB026527538928AC17B3C0F3C3A74D0@DB7P192MB0265.EURP192.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
	<DB7P192MB0265B3E4F1116CEB86CEF8A4A74D0@DB7P192MB0265.EURP192.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
	<C1EF6658-1B9B-4F09-A7F0-965A286996DE@icloud.com>
Message-ID: <1583408979.3585275.1574113378251@mail.yahoo.com>

 I reckon that's four votes for Rex Palmer (the thought had crossed my mind). Are you out there, Rex?
luv, Rog.
    On Monday, 18 November 2019, 20:28:27 GMT, Graeme Wall via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:  
 
 Last heard of working on Formula 1
? 
Graeme Wall


> On 18 Nov 2019, at 19:03, Nick Ware via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> The fun we had in Rick Gardner?s house in Hanwell! Where are you now, Rex?
> Nick.
> 
> Sent from my iPad mini 5
> 
>> On 18 Nov 2019, at 19:00, Nick Ware <Waresound at msn.com> wrote:
>> 
>> ? Seconded,
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad mini 5
>> 
>>> On 18 Nov 2019, at 17:08, Roy Bailey via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?
>>> Rex Palmer???
>>> 
>>> On Mon, 18 Nov 2019 at 16:40, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> Another identity question. Does anyone recognise this character? - visible only in a few frames as he drags his ped through shot, in Pres. B. It looks a bit like Ian Head to me, but he may have been too young at the time. The programme was 'One Man's Week', starring John Wells, and broadcast in November 1971.
>>> 
>>> luv, Rog.
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From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com  Tue Nov 19 11:35:21 2019
From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray)
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2019 17:35:21 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Vinten Manuals
Message-ID: <a9864943-ccaf-f3ba-cc99-e5da2dd082ab@gmail.com>

Hi all,

With grateful thanks to Brian Phillips - and to Roger Bunce who made the 
contact and introductions - you now have three Vinten Operator Handbooks 
on the tech ops web site: try either

http://tech-ops.co.uk/next/?post=9431

http://tech-ops.co.uk/next/vinten-operator-handbooks/

These Operator Handbooks cover the Mk III head, HP Ped and Heron.

-- 

Best Regards

Alec

Alec Bray

alec.bray.2 at gmail.com
mob:    07789 561 346
home:   0118 981 7502



From hughsheppard at btinternet.com  Wed Nov 20 03:53:26 2019
From: hughsheppard at btinternet.com (Hugh Sheppard)
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2019 09:53:26 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Vinten Manuals
In-Reply-To: <a9864943-ccaf-f3ba-cc99-e5da2dd082ab@gmail.com>
References: <a9864943-ccaf-f3ba-cc99-e5da2dd082ab@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7c8c110b-c59e-cbe3-1135-61c46cac3e53@btinternet.com>

Love them!? No-one gave me a copy of the Heron handbook when Laurie Duly 
handed the first one over for me to drive - in 1960 or so wasn't it? A 
joyous moment was sweeping Eric Robinson off his feet having changed 
from track to crab after he'd moved to the side thinking he'd be safe...

Hugh

On 19-Nov-19 5:35 PM, Alec Bray via Tech1 wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> With grateful thanks to Brian Phillips - and to Roger Bunce who made 
> the contact and introductions - you now have three Vinten Operator 
> Handbooks on the tech ops web site: try either
>
> http://tech-ops.co.uk/next/?post=9431
>
> http://tech-ops.co.uk/next/vinten-operator-handbooks/
>
> These Operator Handbooks cover the Mk III head, HP Ped and Heron.
>
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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Fri Nov 22 04:53:02 2019
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2019 10:53:02 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] My copyright infringement
Message-ID: <64b8a8dc-c71e-3ac3-b723-bb8bff17d445@gmail.com>

Can you see this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EKImDXRiw5M&feature=youtu.be

I've been send an email from YouTube saying that BBC Studios say it's 
their copyright and is going to be removed. Also if I get vexatious 
they'll close my account.

This - if you can see it - is a trail for a radio show called 
Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy. It was featured on the front cover of 
Radio Times, which sort of presents a challenge if you have to put it on 
the telly in a Radio Times trail.? So I talked to Oliver Elmes in 
graphics and asked him to get hold of some prisms and put "Don't Panic" 
in large friendly letters on one of them.? "???", he said, but did it 
anyway.? I wrote a script for Peter Jones to read, and went along to the 
HHGG studio to get it recorded. I had no real idea how it would work out 
in the studio, so had various things to try and make it a bit glitzy - 
lights, a shiny wobble board, a Dr Who howl round, and smoke. The latter 
turned out to be a bad idea, as it seems that the aircon in Pres was 
routed everywhere, and when I left the studio the senior announcer was 
in the corridor saying words like "Fire, fire".

Anyway, it went on the air, and then went the way of 99% of trails - the 
TV equivalent of fish and chip paper. Except - like all of us, there 
were things we were proud of, so we copied them off to VHS, and there 
they stayed until the internet came along much, much later.? The HHGG 
anorak fans were very pleased to get their hands on it, and still are.

So - is it fair use to put on YouTube something I made, and that only 
exists because I saved it? We shall see.

B

PS? And if you can't see it, it's here - 
http://www.tech-ops.co.uk/bern/hitchhikers_radio_trail.wmv
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From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk  Fri Nov 22 05:01:30 2019
From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf)
Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2019 11:01:30 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] My copyright infringement
In-Reply-To: <64b8a8dc-c71e-3ac3-b723-bb8bff17d445@gmail.com>
References: <64b8a8dc-c71e-3ac3-b723-bb8bff17d445@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <424a88bd-471a-e6bf-6576-649fd6b5f70f@chriswoolf.co.uk>

Nah - both routes blocked.

Morally I think you are on safe ground - legally I think you're stuffed, 
sadly.

The BBC held the rights to everything you did on their behalf, and still 
do. Their pettiness in matters like this is pathetic, but they will 
always want to control anything they haven't specifically sold on in 
case it becomes worth something in the future.

Chris Woolf


On 22/11/2019 10:53, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote:
> Can you see this?
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EKImDXRiw5M&feature=youtu.be
>
> I've been send an email from YouTube saying that BBC Studios say it's 
> their copyright and is going to be removed. Also if I get vexatious 
> they'll close my account.
>
> This - if you can see it - is a trail for a radio show called 
> Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy. It was featured on the front cover of 
> Radio Times, which sort of presents a challenge if you have to put it 
> on the telly in a Radio Times trail.? So I talked to Oliver Elmes in 
> graphics and asked him to get hold of some prisms and put "Don't 
> Panic" in large friendly letters on one of them.? "???", he said, but 
> did it anyway.? I wrote a script for Peter Jones to read, and went 
> along to the HHGG studio to get it recorded. I had no real idea how it 
> would work out in the studio, so had various things to try and make it 
> a bit glitzy - lights, a shiny wobble board, a Dr Who howl round, and 
> smoke. The latter turned out to be a bad idea, as it seems that the 
> aircon in Pres was routed everywhere, and when I left the studio the 
> senior announcer was in the corridor saying words like "Fire, fire".
>
> Anyway, it went on the air, and then went the way of 99% of trails - 
> the TV equivalent of fish and chip paper. Except - like all of us, 
> there were things we were proud of, so we copied them off to VHS, and 
> there they stayed until the internet came along much, much later.? The 
> HHGG anorak fans were very pleased to get their hands on it, and still 
> are.
>
> So - is it fair use to put on YouTube something I made, and that only 
> exists because I saved it? We shall see.
>
> B
>
> PS? And if you can't see it, it's here - 
> http://www.tech-ops.co.uk/bern/hitchhikers_radio_trail.wmv
>
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From barrybonner119 at btinternet.com  Fri Nov 22 05:07:06 2019
From: barrybonner119 at btinternet.com (Barry Bonner)
Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2019 11:07:06 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] My copyright infringement
In-Reply-To: <64b8a8dc-c71e-3ac3-b723-bb8bff17d445@gmail.com>
References: <64b8a8dc-c71e-3ac3-b723-bb8bff17d445@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9D2B218F-0658-4FEC-BC73-F04D1DC4E42D@btinternet.com>

Hi Bernie,
		Typical BBC pathetic management attitude towards its history!

		Your first link is blocked. 

		On your Tech Ops link I get this??

Barry.



On 22 Nov 2019, at 10:53, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

> Can you see this?  
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EKImDXRiw5M&feature=youtu.be
> 
> I've been send an email from YouTube saying that BBC Studios say it's their copyright and is going to be removed. Also if I get vexatious they'll close my account.
> 
> This - if you can see it - is a trail for a radio show called Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy. It was featured on the front cover of Radio Times, which sort of presents a challenge if you have to put it on the telly in a Radio Times trail.  So I talked to Oliver Elmes in graphics and asked him to get hold of some prisms and put "Don't Panic" in large friendly letters on one of them.  "???", he said, but did it anyway.  I wrote a script for Peter Jones to read, and went along to the HHGG studio to get it recorded. I had no real idea how it would work out in the studio, so had various things to try and make it a bit glitzy - lights, a shiny wobble board, a Dr Who howl round, and smoke. The latter turned out to be a bad idea, as it seems that the aircon in Pres was routed everywhere, and when I left the studio the senior announcer was in the corridor saying words like "Fire, fire".
> 
> Anyway, it went on the air, and then went the way of 99% of trails - the TV equivalent of fish and chip paper. Except - like all of us, there were things we were proud of, so we copied them off to VHS, and there they stayed until the internet came along much, much later.  The HHGG anorak fans were very pleased to get their hands on it, and still are. 
> 
> So - is it fair use to put on YouTube something I made, and that only exists because I saved it? We shall see.
> 
> B
> 
> PS  And if you can't see it, it's here - http://www.tech-ops.co.uk/bern/hitchhikers_radio_trail.wmv 
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From billjenkin67 at gmail.com  Fri Nov 22 05:09:43 2019
From: billjenkin67 at gmail.com (Bill Jenkin)
Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2019 11:09:43 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] My copyright infringement
In-Reply-To: <424a88bd-471a-e6bf-6576-649fd6b5f70f@chriswoolf.co.uk>
References: <64b8a8dc-c71e-3ac3-b723-bb8bff17d445@gmail.com>
	<424a88bd-471a-e6bf-6576-649fd6b5f70f@chriswoolf.co.uk>
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I was about to make exactly the same points as Chris.  Don't you remember
signing a contract which states that virtually every fart you were
responsible for while employed by the BBC remains their copyright?
BJ

On Fri, 22 Nov 2019, 11:02 Chris Woolf via Tech1, <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
wrote:

> Nah - both routes blocked.
>
> Morally I think you are on safe ground - legally I think you're stuffed,
> sadly.
>
> The BBC held the rights to everything you did on their behalf, and still
> do. Their pettiness in matters like this is pathetic, but they will always
> want to control anything they haven't specifically sold on in case it
> becomes worth something in the future.
>
> Chris Woolf
>
>
> On 22/11/2019 10:53, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote:
>
> Can you see this?
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EKImDXRiw5M&feature=youtu.be
>
> I've been send an email from YouTube saying that BBC Studios say it's
> their copyright and is going to be removed. Also if I get vexatious they'll
> close my account.
>
> This - if you can see it - is a trail for a radio show called Hitchhikers
> Guide to the Galaxy. It was featured on the front cover of Radio Times,
> which sort of presents a challenge if you have to put it on the telly in a
> Radio Times trail.  So I talked to Oliver Elmes in graphics and asked him
> to get hold of some prisms and put "Don't Panic" in large friendly letters
> on one of them.  "???", he said, but did it anyway.  I wrote a script for
> Peter Jones to read, and went along to the HHGG studio to get it recorded.
> I had no real idea how it would work out in the studio, so had various
> things to try and make it a bit glitzy - lights, a shiny wobble board, a Dr
> Who howl round, and smoke. The latter turned out to be a bad idea, as it
> seems that the aircon in Pres was routed everywhere, and when I left the
> studio the senior announcer was in the corridor saying words like "Fire,
> fire".
>
> Anyway, it went on the air, and then went the way of 99% of trails - the
> TV equivalent of fish and chip paper. Except - like all of us, there were
> things we were proud of, so we copied them off to VHS, and there they
> stayed until the internet came along much, much later.  The HHGG anorak
> fans were very pleased to get their hands on it, and still are.
>
> So - is it fair use to put on YouTube something I made, and that only
> exists because I saved it? We shall see.
>
> B
>
> PS  And if you can't see it, it's here -
> http://www.tech-ops.co.uk/bern/hitchhikers_radio_trail.wmv
>
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From nick at nickway.co.uk  Fri Nov 22 05:15:09 2019
From: nick at nickway.co.uk (Nick Way)
Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2019 11:15:09 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Tech1] My copyright infringement
In-Reply-To: <CAE6tP4DSodQbV3Xhr50BdQZj2SjPC9z896a2NXvZFpsfc-8YnA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <64b8a8dc-c71e-3ac3-b723-bb8bff17d445@gmail.com>
	<424a88bd-471a-e6bf-6576-649fd6b5f70f@chriswoolf.co.uk>
	<CAE6tP4DSodQbV3Xhr50BdQZj2SjPC9z896a2NXvZFpsfc-8YnA@mail.gmail.com>
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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Fri Nov 22 05:22:15 2019
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2019 11:22:15 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] My copyright infringement
In-Reply-To: <424a88bd-471a-e6bf-6576-649fd6b5f70f@chriswoolf.co.uk>
References: <64b8a8dc-c71e-3ac3-b723-bb8bff17d445@gmail.com>
	<424a88bd-471a-e6bf-6576-649fd6b5f70f@chriswoolf.co.uk>
Message-ID: <1c2a34f9-e1c7-57b3-feee-4ef9c2c545b1@ntlworld.com>

Ok - try this one - http://www.tech-ops.co.uk/bern/hitchhiker_radio.mp4

I think I actually copied it off to Philips, before we had VHS, and when 
I transferred it, and other stuff, the Philips machine was a bit 
knackered, which is why it looks so average. But it is the only copy.

B


On 22/11/2019 11:01, Chris Woolf via Tech1 wrote:
>
> Nah - both routes blocked.
>
> Morally I think you are on safe ground - legally I think you're 
> stuffed, sadly.
>
> The BBC held the rights to everything you did on their behalf, and 
> still do. Their pettiness in matters like this is pathetic, but they 
> will always want to control anything they haven't specifically sold on 
> in case it becomes worth something in the future.
>
> Chris Woolf
>
>
> On 22/11/2019 10:53, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote:
>> Can you see this?
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EKImDXRiw5M&feature=youtu.be
>>
>> I've been send an email from YouTube saying that BBC Studios say it's 
>> their copyright and is going to be removed. Also if I get vexatious 
>> they'll close my account.
>>
>> This - if you can see it - is a trail for a radio show called 
>> Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy. It was featured on the front cover 
>> of Radio Times, which sort of presents a challenge if you have to put 
>> it on the telly in a Radio Times trail.? So I talked to Oliver Elmes 
>> in graphics and asked him to get hold of some prisms and put "Don't 
>> Panic" in large friendly letters on one of them.? "???", he said, but 
>> did it anyway.? I wrote a script for Peter Jones to read, and went 
>> along to the HHGG studio to get it recorded. I had no real idea how 
>> it would work out in the studio, so had various things to try and 
>> make it a bit glitzy - lights, a shiny wobble board, a Dr Who howl 
>> round, and smoke. The latter turned out to be a bad idea, as it seems 
>> that the aircon in Pres was routed everywhere, and when I left the 
>> studio the senior announcer was in the corridor saying words like 
>> "Fire, fire".
>>
>> Anyway, it went on the air, and then went the way of 99% of trails - 
>> the TV equivalent of fish and chip paper. Except - like all of us, 
>> there were things we were proud of, so we copied them off to VHS, and 
>> there they stayed until the internet came along much, much later.? 
>> The HHGG anorak fans were very pleased to get their hands on it, and 
>> still are.
>>
>> So - is it fair use to put on YouTube something I made, and that only 
>> exists because I saved it? We shall see.
>>
>> B
>>
>> PS? And if you can't see it, it's here - 
>> http://www.tech-ops.co.uk/bern/hitchhikers_radio_trail.wmv
>>
>

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From postmaster at armoor.plus.com  Fri Nov 22 05:23:52 2019
From: postmaster at armoor.plus.com (Ian Norman)
Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2019 11:23:52 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] My copyright infringement
In-Reply-To: <64b8a8dc-c71e-3ac3-b723-bb8bff17d445@gmail.com>
References: <64b8a8dc-c71e-3ac3-b723-bb8bff17d445@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <99a023ec-4284-4fbb-a546-9fa17b342382@armoor.plus.com>

Hello.

If they no longer have a copy, can they still hold the copyright?

There's plenty of material recorded on VHS etc that the BBC wiped.


Best regards

Ian Norman

Email: mailto:ian.norman at armoor.co.uk
Telephone: 01643 888181

On 22/11/2019 10:53, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote:
> Can you see this?
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EKImDXRiw5M&feature=youtu.be
> 
> I've been send an email from YouTube saying that BBC Studios say it's 
> their copyright and is going to be removed. Also if I get vexatious 
> they'll close my account.
> 
> This - if you can see it - is a trail for a radio show called 
> Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy. It was featured on the front cover of 
> Radio Times, which sort of presents a challenge if you have to put it on 
> the telly in a Radio Times trail.? So I talked to Oliver Elmes in 
> graphics and asked him to get hold of some prisms and put "Don't Panic" 
> in large friendly letters on one of them.? "???", he said, but did it 
> anyway.? I wrote a script for Peter Jones to read, and went along to the 
> HHGG studio to get it recorded. I had no real idea how it would work out 
> in the studio, so had various things to try and make it a bit glitzy - 
> lights, a shiny wobble board, a Dr Who howl round, and smoke. The latter 
> turned out to be a bad idea, as it seems that the aircon in Pres was 
> routed everywhere, and when I left the studio the senior announcer was 
> in the corridor saying words like "Fire, fire".
> 
> Anyway, it went on the air, and then went the way of 99% of trails - the 
> TV equivalent of fish and chip paper. Except - like all of us, there 
> were things we were proud of, so we copied them off to VHS, and there 
> they stayed until the internet came along much, much later.? The HHGG 
> anorak fans were very pleased to get their hands on it, and still are.
> 
> So - is it fair use to put on YouTube something I made, and that only 
> exists because I saved it? We shall see.
> 
> B
> 
> PS? And if you can't see it, it's here - 
> http://www.tech-ops.co.uk/bern/hitchhikers_radio_trail.wmv
> 


From ian.norman at armoor.co.uk  Fri Nov 22 05:24:38 2019
From: ian.norman at armoor.co.uk (ian.norman at armoor.co.uk)
Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2019 11:24:38 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] My copyright infringement
In-Reply-To: <64b8a8dc-c71e-3ac3-b723-bb8bff17d445@gmail.com>
References: <64b8a8dc-c71e-3ac3-b723-bb8bff17d445@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <d1288f68-afc2-467f-4a0d-9a4a74d47b99@armoor.plus.com>

Hello.

If they no longer have a copy, can they still hold the copyright?

There's plenty of material recorded on VHS etc that the BBC wiped.


Best regards

Ian Norman

Email: mailto:ian.norman at armoor.co.uk
Telephone: 01643 888181

On 22/11/2019 10:53, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote:
> Can you see this?
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EKImDXRiw5M&feature=youtu.be
> 
> I've been send an email from YouTube saying that BBC Studios say it's 
> their copyright and is going to be removed. Also if I get vexatious 
> they'll close my account.
> 
> This - if you can see it - is a trail for a radio show called 
> Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy. It was featured on the front cover of 
> Radio Times, which sort of presents a challenge if you have to put it on 
> the telly in a Radio Times trail.? So I talked to Oliver Elmes in 
> graphics and asked him to get hold of some prisms and put "Don't Panic" 
> in large friendly letters on one of them.? "???", he said, but did it 
> anyway.? I wrote a script for Peter Jones to read, and went along to the 
> HHGG studio to get it recorded. I had no real idea how it would work out 
> in the studio, so had various things to try and make it a bit glitzy - 
> lights, a shiny wobble board, a Dr Who howl round, and smoke. The latter 
> turned out to be a bad idea, as it seems that the aircon in Pres was 
> routed everywhere, and when I left the studio the senior announcer was 
> in the corridor saying words like "Fire, fire".
> 
> Anyway, it went on the air, and then went the way of 99% of trails - the 
> TV equivalent of fish and chip paper. Except - like all of us, there 
> were things we were proud of, so we copied them off to VHS, and there 
> they stayed until the internet came along much, much later.? The HHGG 
> anorak fans were very pleased to get their hands on it, and still are.
> 
> So - is it fair use to put on YouTube something I made, and that only 
> exists because I saved it? We shall see.
> 
> B
> 
> PS? And if you can't see it, it's here - 
> http://www.tech-ops.co.uk/bern/hitchhikers_radio_trail.wmv
> 


From billjenkin67 at gmail.com  Fri Nov 22 05:30:46 2019
From: billjenkin67 at gmail.com (Bill Jenkin)
Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2019 11:30:46 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] My copyright infringement
In-Reply-To: <1325728246.106875.1574421310017@email.ionos.co.uk>
References: <64b8a8dc-c71e-3ac3-b723-bb8bff17d445@gmail.com>
	<424a88bd-471a-e6bf-6576-649fd6b5f70f@chriswoolf.co.uk>
	<CAE6tP4DSodQbV3Xhr50BdQZj2SjPC9z896a2NXvZFpsfc-8YnA@mail.gmail.com>
	<1325728246.106875.1574421310017@email.ionos.co.uk>
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Well hope you haven't reproduced it without their consent!?

On Fri, 22 Nov 2019, 11:15 Nick Way, <nick at nickway.co.uk> wrote:

>
> On the note below, Bill. I still have my 1/4" effects tape from Blackadder
> Goes Forth, which includes my fart!
>
> Although I don't post often, I do read through nearly everything and love
> being part of the "Family".
>
> Best wishes everyone.
>
> Nick Way
>
> On 22 November 2019 at 11:09 Bill Jenkin via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
> I was about to make exactly the same points as Chris.  Don't you remember
> signing a contract which states that virtually every fart you were
> responsible for while employed by the BBC remains their copyright?
> BJ
>
> On Fri, 22 Nov 2019, 11:02 Chris Woolf via Tech1, < tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
> Nah - both routes blocked.
>
> Morally I think you are on safe ground - legally I think you're stuffed,
> sadly.
>
> The BBC held the rights to everything you did on their behalf, and still
> do. Their pettiness in matters like this is pathetic, but they will always
> want to control anything they haven't specifically sold on in case it
> becomes worth something in the future.
>
> Chris Woolf
>
>
> On 22/11/2019 10:53, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote:
>
> Can you see this?
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EKImDXRiw5M&feature=youtu.be
>
> I've been send an email from YouTube saying that BBC Studios say it's
> their copyright and is going to be removed. Also if I get vexatious they'll
> close my account.
>
> This - if you can see it - is a trail for a radio show called Hitchhikers
> Guide to the Galaxy. It was featured on the front cover of Radio Times,
> which sort of presents a challenge if you have to put it on the telly in a
> Radio Times trail.  So I talked to Oliver Elmes in graphics and asked him
> to get hold of some prisms and put "Don't Panic" in large friendly letters
> on one of them.  "???", he said, but did it anyway.  I wrote a script for
> Peter Jones to read, and went along to the HHGG studio to get it recorded.
> I had no real idea how it would work out in the studio, so had various
> things to try and make it a bit glitzy - lights, a shiny wobble board, a Dr
> Who howl round, and smoke. The latter turned out to be a bad idea, as it
> seems that the aircon in Pres was routed everywhere, and when I left the
> studio the senior announcer was in the corridor saying words like "Fire,
> fire".
>
> Anyway, it went on the air, and then went the way of 99% of trails - the
> TV equivalent of fish and chip paper. Except - like all of us, there were
> things we were proud of, so we copied them off to VHS, and there they
> stayed until the internet came along much, much later.  The HHGG anorak
> fans were very pleased to get their hands on it, and still are.
>
> So - is it fair use to put on YouTube something I made, and that only
> exists because I saved it? We shall see.
>
> B
>
> PS  And if you can't see it, it's here -
> http://www.tech-ops.co.uk/bern/hitchhikers_radio_trail.wmv
>
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From nick at nickway.co.uk  Fri Nov 22 05:35:08 2019
From: nick at nickway.co.uk (Nick Way)
Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2019 11:35:08 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Tech1] My copyright infringement
In-Reply-To: <CAE6tP4DGO2MZRR3G1y9UYttuReuKoe1gLDNVk55HVZ39O7w6Kg@mail.gmail.com>
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	<CAE6tP4DSodQbV3Xhr50BdQZj2SjPC9z896a2NXvZFpsfc-8YnA@mail.gmail.com>
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From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk  Fri Nov 22 06:13:22 2019
From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf)
Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2019 12:13:22 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] My copyright infringement
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Copyright is a really difficult subject. I've met it from both sides and 
neither is comfortable.

In the past I've created things such as graphics for lectures and for 
Microphone Data. For these I always exert some form of copyright in 
order to prevent others from misusing them. Usually that is Creative 
Commons - a benign and flexible non-commercial version of copyright - 
and mostly it gets respected. They use the stuff but credit it and don't 
lift anything out of context.

However for magazine and other text stuff that I've done I frequently 
find it cropping up around the net in all sorts of guises. Mostly I 
don't make my living by the rewards so it isn't too serious, though I do 
lose a few minutes sleep over people "borrowing" the stuff and making 
money out of piracy.

Controlling stuff once it is out on the web is a mug's game, and I'm not 
surprised the BBC operate a blanket rule, and use the weight of their 
legal arm to squash anything that ~might~ come into their ambit. There 
will be many instances (such as this one) where the rule makes no sense, 
or is even counterproductive, but that would mean spending time and 
energy looking into every one of thousands of events, and for them that 
isn't worth the effort.

I did have to laugh the other day though, when I was reading some stuff 
on Wikipedia. I recognised some of my own work, subtly altered, and was 
getting hot under the collar about how it had got there. Then I realised 
that it was ~me~ that had contributed the original about 10 years ago 
and had forgotten!

Chris Woolf
>
>
> On 22 Nov 2019, at 10:53, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 
> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:
>
>> Can you see this?
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EKImDXRiw5M&feature=youtu.be
>>
>> I've been send an email from YouTube saying that BBC Studios say it's 
>> their copyright and is going to be removed. Also if I get vexatious 
>> they'll close my account.
>>
>> This - if you can see it - is a trail for a radio show called 
>> Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy. It was featured on the front cover 
>> of Radio Times, which sort of presents a challenge if you have to put 
>> it on the telly in a Radio Times trail.? So I talked to Oliver Elmes 
>> in graphics and asked him to get hold of some prisms and put "Don't 
>> Panic" in large friendly letters on one of them.? "???", he said, but 
>> did it anyway.? I wrote a script for Peter Jones to read, and went 
>> along to the HHGG studio to get it recorded. I had no real idea how 
>> it would work out in the studio, so had various things to try and 
>> make it a bit glitzy - lights, a shiny wobble board, a Dr Who howl 
>> round, and smoke. The latter turned out to be a bad idea, as it seems 
>> that the aircon in Pres was routed everywhere, and when I left the 
>> studio the senior announcer was in the corridor saying words like 
>> "Fire, fire".
>>
>> Anyway, it went on the air, and then went the way of 99% of trails - 
>> the TV equivalent of fish and chip paper. Except - like all of us, 
>> there were things we were proud of, so we copied them off to VHS, and 
>> there they stayed until the internet came along much, much later.? 
>> The HHGG anorak fans were very pleased to get their hands on it, and 
>> still are.
>>
>> So - is it fair use to put on YouTube something I made, and that only 
>> exists because I saved it? We shall see.
>>
>> B
>>
>> PS? And if you can't see it, it's here - 
>> http://www.tech-ops.co.uk/bern/hitchhikers_radio_trail.wmv
>> -- 
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From ian.norman at armoor.co.uk  Fri Nov 22 08:22:07 2019
From: ian.norman at armoor.co.uk (ian.norman at armoor.co.uk)
Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2019 14:22:07 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] My copyright infringement
In-Reply-To: <64b8a8dc-c71e-3ac3-b723-bb8bff17d445@gmail.com>
References: <64b8a8dc-c71e-3ac3-b723-bb8bff17d445@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <86569e55-c776-6359-5b21-241b6e651bed@armoor.plus.com>

Hello.

If they no longer have a copy, can they still hold the copyright?

There's plenty of material recorded on VHS etc that the BBC wiped.


Best regards

Ian Norman

Email: mailto:ian.norman at armoor.co.uk
Telephone: 01643 888181
On 22/11/2019 10:53, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote:
> Can you see this?
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EKImDXRiw5M&feature=youtu.be
> 
> I've been send an email from YouTube saying that BBC Studios say it's 
> their copyright and is going to be removed. Also if I get vexatious 
> they'll close my account.
> 
> This - if you can see it - is a trail for a radio show called 
> Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy. It was featured on the front cover of 
> Radio Times, which sort of presents a challenge if you have to put it on 
> the telly in a Radio Times trail.? So I talked to Oliver Elmes in 
> graphics and asked him to get hold of some prisms and put "Don't Panic" 
> in large friendly letters on one of them.? "???", he said, but did it 
> anyway.? I wrote a script for Peter Jones to read, and went along to the 
> HHGG studio to get it recorded. I had no real idea how it would work out 
> in the studio, so had various things to try and make it a bit glitzy - 
> lights, a shiny wobble board, a Dr Who howl round, and smoke. The latter 
> turned out to be a bad idea, as it seems that the aircon in Pres was 
> routed everywhere, and when I left the studio the senior announcer was 
> in the corridor saying words like "Fire, fire".
> 
> Anyway, it went on the air, and then went the way of 99% of trails - the 
> TV equivalent of fish and chip paper. Except - like all of us, there 
> were things we were proud of, so we copied them off to VHS, and there 
> they stayed until the internet came along much, much later.? The HHGG 
> anorak fans were very pleased to get their hands on it, and still are.
> 
> So - is it fair use to put on YouTube something I made, and that only 
> exists because I saved it? We shall see.
> 
> B
> 
> PS? And if you can't see it, it's here - 
> http://www.tech-ops.co.uk/bern/hitchhikers_radio_trail.wmv
> 


From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk  Fri Nov 22 08:48:16 2019
From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf)
Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2019 14:48:16 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] My copyright infringement
In-Reply-To: <86569e55-c776-6359-5b21-241b6e651bed@armoor.plus.com>
References: <64b8a8dc-c71e-3ac3-b723-bb8bff17d445@gmail.com>
	<86569e55-c776-6359-5b21-241b6e651bed@armoor.plus.com>
Message-ID: <bcf5c54c-5ced-9b46-1c53-f97eeabb3196@chriswoolf.co.uk>


On 22/11/2019 14:22, ian.norman--- via Tech1 wrote:
>
> If they no longer have a copy, can they still hold the copyright?

They probably ~do~ have a copy of the RT front cover - simply using that 
as the basis for something else without explicit permission is an 
infringement. And if the video was produced by Bernie ~as an employee~ 
the BEEB owns the rights to that too. Only if he was commissioned under 
contract ~might~ he have rights (but Auntie would have almost certainly 
have retained the rights as part of the contract).

The fact that the original was destroyed doesn't seem to be important to 
a copyright infringement. If that was the case people could destroy an 
original "anything", having previously copied it, and then claim there 
was no infringement in using the copy.

>
> There's plenty of material recorded on VHS etc that the BBC wiped.

True. And if no infringement is claimed after several years it is 
unlikely that a claim will succeed - which probably explains why a fair 
bit of ex-BBC stuff is on display and hasn't been "caught". But it also 
explains why the legal arm of Auntie clamps down indiscriminately on 
anything that it can easily discover.

Chris Woolf



> Email: mailto:ian.norman at armoor.co.uk
> Telephone: 01643 888181
> On 22/11/2019 10:53, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote:
>> Can you see this?
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EKImDXRiw5M&feature=youtu.be
>>
>> I've been send an email from YouTube saying that BBC Studios say it's 
>> their copyright and is going to be removed. Also if I get vexatious 
>> they'll close my account.
>>
>> This - if you can see it - is a trail for a radio show called 
>> Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy. It was featured on the front cover 
>> of Radio Times, which sort of presents a challenge if you have to put 
>> it on the telly in a Radio Times trail.? So I talked to Oliver Elmes 
>> in graphics and asked him to get hold of some prisms and put "Don't 
>> Panic" in large friendly letters on one of them.? "???", he said, but 
>> did it anyway.? I wrote a script for Peter Jones to read, and went 
>> along to the HHGG studio to get it recorded. I had no real idea how 
>> it would work out in the studio, so had various things to try and 
>> make it a bit glitzy - lights, a shiny wobble board, a Dr Who howl 
>> round, and smoke. The latter turned out to be a bad idea, as it seems 
>> that the aircon in Pres was routed everywhere, and when I left the 
>> studio the senior announcer was in the corridor saying words like 
>> "Fire, fire".
>>
>> Anyway, it went on the air, and then went the way of 99% of trails - 
>> the TV equivalent of fish and chip paper. Except - like all of us, 
>> there were things we were proud of, so we copied them off to VHS, and 
>> there they stayed until the internet came along much, much later.? 
>> The HHGG anorak fans were very pleased to get their hands on it, and 
>> still are.
>>
>> So - is it fair use to put on YouTube something I made, and that only 
>> exists because I saved it? We shall see.
>>
>> B
>>
>> PS? And if you can't see it, it's here - 
>> http://www.tech-ops.co.uk/bern/hitchhikers_radio_trail.wmv
>>
>


From jccglass at gmail.com  Fri Nov 22 08:55:21 2019
From: jccglass at gmail.com (Chris on gmail)
Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2019 14:55:21 -0000
Subject: [Tech1] My copyright infringement
References: <64b8a8dc-c71e-3ac3-b723-bb8bff17d445@gmail.com><86569e55-c776-6359-5b21-241b6e651bed@armoor.plus.com>
	<bcf5c54c-5ced-9b46-1c53-f97eeabb3196@chriswoolf.co.uk>
Message-ID: <2010427E6CCB4BF88CF7E6B8452D9ADB@dell9100>

rights are interlectual not physical


From rogerbunce at btinternet.com  Fri Nov 22 09:24:03 2019
From: rogerbunce at btinternet.com (ROGER BUNCE)
Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2019 15:24:03 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tech1] My copyright infringement
In-Reply-To: <64b8a8dc-c71e-3ac3-b723-bb8bff17d445@gmail.com>
References: <64b8a8dc-c71e-3ac3-b723-bb8bff17d445@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1178673767.7079769.1574436243991@mail.yahoo.com>

 It says, "This Video contains content from BBC Studios . . .", but since 'BBC Studios' didn't exist at the time, it can't possibly be true!
luv, Rog.
    On Friday, 22 November 2019, 10:53:30 GMT, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:  
 
   Can you see this?? 
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EKImDXRiw5M&feature=youtu.be
 
 I've been send an email from YouTube saying that BBC Studios say it's their copyright and is going to be removed. Also if I get vexatious they'll close my account.
 
 This - if you can see it - is a trail for a radio show called Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy. It was featured on the front cover of Radio Times, which sort of presents a challenge if you have to put it on the telly in a Radio Times trail.? So I talked to Oliver Elmes in graphics and asked him to get hold of some prisms and put "Don't Panic" in large friendly letters on one of them.? "???", he said, but did it anyway.? I wrote a script for Peter Jones to read, and went along to the HHGG studio to get it recorded. I had no real idea how it would work out in the studio, so had various things to try and make it a bit glitzy - lights, a shiny wobble board, a Dr Who howl round, and smoke. The latter turned out to be a bad idea, as it seems that the aircon in Pres was routed everywhere, and when I left the studio the senior announcer was in the corridor saying words like "Fire, fire".
 
 Anyway, it went on the air, and then went the way of 99% of trails - the TV equivalent of fish and chip paper. Except - like all of us, there were things we were proud of, so we copied them off to VHS, and there they stayed until the internet came along much, much later.? The HHGG anorak fans were very pleased to get their hands on it, and still are. 
 
 So - is it fair use to put on YouTube something I made, and that only exists because I saved it? We shall see.
 
 B
 
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From paul at pgtmedia.co.uk  Fri Nov 22 09:38:28 2019
From: paul at pgtmedia.co.uk (Paul Thackray)
Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2019 15:38:28 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] My copyright infringement
In-Reply-To: <1178673767.7079769.1574436243991@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <64b8a8dc-c71e-3ac3-b723-bb8bff17d445@gmail.com>
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Trails, being part of BBC Presentation , which became BBC Broadcast and 
then sold to Red Bee (Owned by Auzzie bankers) .... This would imply the 
content is now owned by Ericcson owned Red Bee.....

You can see how copyright layers make (not earn!) their money...?

Paul

On 22/11/2019 15:24, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 wrote:
> It says, "This Video contains content from BBC Studios . . .", but 
> since 'BBC Studios' didn't exist at the time, it can't possibly be true!
>
> luv, Rog.
>
> On Friday, 22 November 2019, 10:53:30 GMT, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 
> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>
>
> Can you see this?
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EKImDXRiw5M&feature=youtu.be
>
> I've been send an email from YouTube saying that BBC Studios say it's 
> their copyright and is going to be removed. Also if I get vexatious 
> they'll close my account.
>
> This - if you can see it - is a trail for a radio show called 
> Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy. It was featured on the front cover of 
> Radio Times, which sort of presents a challenge if you have to put it 
> on the telly in a Radio Times trail.? So I talked to Oliver Elmes in 
> graphics and asked him to get hold of some prisms and put "Don't 
> Panic" in large friendly letters on one of them.? "???", he said, but 
> did it anyway.? I wrote a script for Peter Jones to read, and went 
> along to the HHGG studio to get it recorded. I had no real idea how it 
> would work out in the studio, so had various things to try and make it 
> a bit glitzy - lights, a shiny wobble board, a Dr Who howl round, and 
> smoke. The latter turned out to be a bad idea, as it seems that the 
> aircon in Pres was routed everywhere, and when I left the studio the 
> senior announcer was in the corridor saying words like "Fire, fire".
>
> Anyway, it went on the air, and then went the way of 99% of trails - 
> the TV equivalent of fish and chip paper. Except - like all of us, 
> there were things we were proud of, so we copied them off to VHS, and 
> there they stayed until the internet came along much, much later.? The 
> HHGG anorak fans were very pleased to get their hands on it, and still 
> are.
>
> So - is it fair use to put on YouTube something I made, and that only 
> exists because I saved it? We shall see.
>
> B
>
> PS? And if you can't see it, it's here - 
> http://www.tech-ops.co.uk/bern/hitchhikers_radio_trail.wmv
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From ian.hillson at gmail.com  Sat Nov 23 07:28:35 2019
From: ian.hillson at gmail.com (Ian H)
Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2019 13:28:35 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] My copyright infringement
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It's not so much Auntie doing this, it's *BBC Studios* (nee BBC
Worldwide/Enterprises) instigating it via the Beeb's legal department,
methinks. https://www.bbcstudios.com/

Very shortsighted because the odd bit of content on social media generates
interest and drives punters to iPlayer, etc.  After all, we licence payers
did fund it originally!

Reminded of the money squandered on the BBC v Met Police court case to get
copyright of the police box.

Best I

On Fri, Nov 22, 2019 at 10:53 AM Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <
tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

> Can you see this?
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EKImDXRiw5M&feature=youtu.be
>
> I've been send an email from YouTube saying that BBC Studios say it's
> their copyright and is going to be removed. Also if I get vexatious they'll
> close my account.
>
> This - if you can see it - is a trail for a radio show called Hitchhikers
> Guide to the Galaxy. It was featured on the front cover of Radio Times,
> which sort of presents a challenge if you have to put it on the telly in a
> Radio Times trail.  So I talked to Oliver Elmes in graphics and asked him
> to get hold of some prisms and put "Don't Panic" in large friendly letters
> on one of them.  "???", he said, but did it anyway.  I wrote a script for
> Peter Jones to read, and went along to the HHGG studio to get it recorded.
> I had no real idea how it would work out in the studio, so had various
> things to try and make it a bit glitzy - lights, a shiny wobble board, a Dr
> Who howl round, and smoke. The latter turned out to be a bad idea, as it
> seems that the aircon in Pres was routed everywhere, and when I left the
> studio the senior announcer was in the corridor saying words like "Fire,
> fire".
>
> Anyway, it went on the air, and then went the way of 99% of trails - the
> TV equivalent of fish and chip paper. Except - like all of us, there were
> things we were proud of, so we copied them off to VHS, and there they
> stayed until the internet came along much, much later.  The HHGG anorak
> fans were very pleased to get their hands on it, and still are.
>
> So - is it fair use to put on YouTube something I made, and that only
> exists because I saved it? We shall see.
>
> B
>
> PS  And if you can't see it, it's here -
> http://www.tech-ops.co.uk/bern/hitchhikers_radio_trail.wmv
> --
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> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
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From keithwicksuk at gmail.com  Sat Nov 23 07:54:26 2019
From: keithwicksuk at gmail.com (Keith Wicks)
Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2019 13:54:26 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] My copyright infringement
In-Reply-To: <CAO37+kZNxXsqf3F4FzhE+V7h9vTczzJaz=70yO5180YreT5wMw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <64b8a8dc-c71e-3ac3-b723-bb8bff17d445@gmail.com>
	<CAO37+kZNxXsqf3F4FzhE+V7h9vTczzJaz=70yO5180YreT5wMw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAA=qGJn+=kxr=zqeJrc=5YvjQ6mrOYX+QrkDuKhucWcsGy4ahA@mail.gmail.com>

Did the BBC lose money in their court case against the Met Police? I
thought the BBC won the case and the Met Police lost their appeal against
the decision:

... the Metropolitan Police lost its appeal and has been ordered to pay
?850, plus legal costs....
(Source: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/2352743.stm)
To get back onto the main subject:

Any company that did not exist when a work was created could own the
copyright in that work because copyright can be bought, sold and
transferred.

KW

On Sat, 23 Nov 2019 at 13:29, Ian H via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

> It's not so much Auntie doing this, it's *BBC Studios* (nee BBC
> Worldwide/Enterprises) instigating it via the Beeb's legal department,
> methinks. https://www.bbcstudios.com/
>
> Very shortsighted because the odd bit of content on social media generates
> interest and drives punters to iPlayer, etc.  After all, we licence payers
> did fund it originally!
>
> Reminded of the money squandered on the BBC v Met Police court case to get
> copyright of the police box.
>
> Best I
>
> On Fri, Nov 22, 2019 at 10:53 AM Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <
> tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> Can you see this?
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EKImDXRiw5M&feature=youtu.be
>>
>> I've been send an email from YouTube saying that BBC Studios say it's
>> their copyright and is going to be removed. Also if I get vexatious they'll
>> close my account.
>>
>> This - if you can see it - is a trail for a radio show called Hitchhikers
>> Guide to the Galaxy. It was featured on the front cover of Radio Times,
>> which sort of presents a challenge if you have to put it on the telly in a
>> Radio Times trail.  So I talked to Oliver Elmes in graphics and asked him
>> to get hold of some prisms and put "Don't Panic" in large friendly letters
>> on one of them.  "???", he said, but did it anyway.  I wrote a script for
>> Peter Jones to read, and went along to the HHGG studio to get it recorded.
>> I had no real idea how it would work out in the studio, so had various
>> things to try and make it a bit glitzy - lights, a shiny wobble board, a Dr
>> Who howl round, and smoke. The latter turned out to be a bad idea, as it
>> seems that the aircon in Pres was routed everywhere, and when I left the
>> studio the senior announcer was in the corridor saying words like "Fire,
>> fire".
>>
>> Anyway, it went on the air, and then went the way of 99% of trails - the
>> TV equivalent of fish and chip paper. Except - like all of us, there were
>> things we were proud of, so we copied them off to VHS, and there they
>> stayed until the internet came along much, much later.  The HHGG anorak
>> fans were very pleased to get their hands on it, and still are.
>>
>> So - is it fair use to put on YouTube something I made, and that only
>> exists because I saved it? We shall see.
>>
>> B
>>
>> PS  And if you can't see it, it's here -
>> http://www.tech-ops.co.uk/bern/hitchhikers_radio_trail.wmv
>> --
>> Tech1 mailing list
>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk
>>
> --
> Tech1 mailing list
> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk
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From dave at davesound.co.uk  Sat Nov 23 08:00:16 2019
From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman)
Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2019 14:00:16 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Tech1] Yet Another Scam
In-Reply-To: <0cd6cc28-a92e-d329-c3c7-5663b0051a90@armoor.plus.com>
References: <0cd6cc28-a92e-d329-c3c7-5663b0051a90@armoor.plus.com>
Message-ID: <581774a1e5dave@davesound.co.uk>

Sorry to reply to a thread with a different topic. For some reason if I
start a new topic, it doesn't appear here.

Anyone got a large screen OLED TV? About 60"? Now they are slightly more
affordable? Never been able to assess such things in the shop, so would
love to hear from someone who has lived with one.

By all means change the thread title. I'll see any replies to that. ;-)

-- 
*I didn't like my beard at first. Then it grew on me.*

    Dave Plowman     dave at davesound.co.uk     London SW 12
    


From ian.hillson at gmail.com  Sat Nov 23 08:09:37 2019
From: ian.hillson at gmail.com (Ian H)
Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2019 14:09:37 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] My copyright infringement
In-Reply-To: <CAA=qGJn+=kxr=zqeJrc=5YvjQ6mrOYX+QrkDuKhucWcsGy4ahA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <64b8a8dc-c71e-3ac3-b723-bb8bff17d445@gmail.com>
	<CAO37+kZNxXsqf3F4FzhE+V7h9vTczzJaz=70yO5180YreT5wMw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAA=qGJn+=kxr=zqeJrc=5YvjQ6mrOYX+QrkDuKhucWcsGy4ahA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAO37+ka8MuAkc0kKxvniabc2VkrMXpsr4hy3QjPmV7m5fYjfkg@mail.gmail.com>

Might have been how the Beeb reported it, but not sure they got ALL their
legal costs: "...the applicants are entitled to costs. There were some
submissions by Mr Walsh that I should go off the scale because the bad
faith allegation was not supported by evidence and because of the lack of
clarity in the pleadings since, additional work was required by the
applicants. I give those submissions some weight but taking into account
the evidence filed, the preparation for and attendance at the hearing I
considered there is no need to exceed the scale itself and I order the
opponents to pay to the applicants the sum of ?850."

https://www.ipo.gov.uk/t-challenge-decision-results/o33602.pdf

On Sat, Nov 23, 2019 at 1:54 PM Keith Wicks <keithwicksuk at gmail.com> wrote:

> Did the BBC lose money in their court case against the Met Police? I
> thought the BBC won the case and the Met Police lost their appeal against
> the decision:
>
> ... the Metropolitan Police lost its appeal and has been ordered to pay
> ?850, plus legal costs....
> (Source: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/2352743.stm)
> To get back onto the main subject:
>
> Any company that did not exist when a work was created could own the
> copyright in that work because copyright can be bought, sold and
> transferred.
>
> KW
>
> On Sat, 23 Nov 2019 at 13:29, Ian H via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
>> It's not so much Auntie doing this, it's *BBC Studios* (nee BBC
>> Worldwide/Enterprises) instigating it via the Beeb's legal department,
>> methinks. https://www.bbcstudios.com/
>>
>> Very shortsighted because the odd bit of content on social media
>> generates interest and drives punters to iPlayer, etc.  After all, we
>> licence payers did fund it originally!
>>
>> Reminded of the money squandered on the BBC v Met Police court case to
>> get copyright of the police box.
>>
>> Best I
>>
>> On Fri, Nov 22, 2019 at 10:53 AM Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <
>> tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> Can you see this?
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EKImDXRiw5M&feature=youtu.be
>>>
>>> I've been send an email from YouTube saying that BBC Studios say it's
>>> their copyright and is going to be removed. Also if I get vexatious they'll
>>> close my account.
>>>
>>> This - if you can see it - is a trail for a radio show called
>>> Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy. It was featured on the front cover of
>>> Radio Times, which sort of presents a challenge if you have to put it on
>>> the telly in a Radio Times trail.  So I talked to Oliver Elmes in graphics
>>> and asked him to get hold of some prisms and put "Don't Panic" in large
>>> friendly letters on one of them.  "???", he said, but did it anyway.  I
>>> wrote a script for Peter Jones to read, and went along to the HHGG studio
>>> to get it recorded. I had no real idea how it would work out in the studio,
>>> so had various things to try and make it a bit glitzy - lights, a shiny
>>> wobble board, a Dr Who howl round, and smoke. The latter turned out to be a
>>> bad idea, as it seems that the aircon in Pres was routed everywhere, and
>>> when I left the studio the senior announcer was in the corridor saying
>>> words like "Fire, fire".
>>>
>>> Anyway, it went on the air, and then went the way of 99% of trails - the
>>> TV equivalent of fish and chip paper. Except - like all of us, there were
>>> things we were proud of, so we copied them off to VHS, and there they
>>> stayed until the internet came along much, much later.  The HHGG anorak
>>> fans were very pleased to get their hands on it, and still are.
>>>
>>> So - is it fair use to put on YouTube something I made, and that only
>>> exists because I saved it? We shall see.
>>>
>>> B
>>>
>>> PS  And if you can't see it, it's here -
>>> http://www.tech-ops.co.uk/bern/hitchhikers_radio_trail.wmv
>>> --
>>> Tech1 mailing list
>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk
>>>
>> --
>> Tech1 mailing list
>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk
>>
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From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk  Sat Nov 23 10:29:13 2019
From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf)
Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2019 16:29:13 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] My copyright infringement
In-Reply-To: <CAO37+kZNxXsqf3F4FzhE+V7h9vTczzJaz=70yO5180YreT5wMw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <64b8a8dc-c71e-3ac3-b723-bb8bff17d445@gmail.com>
	<CAO37+kZNxXsqf3F4FzhE+V7h9vTczzJaz=70yO5180YreT5wMw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <247edeee-399e-a0d8-c647-e4fc477f3f95@chriswoolf.co.uk>


On 23/11/2019 13:28, Ian H via Tech1 wrote:
> ... Very shortsighted because the odd bit of content on social media 
> generates interest and drives punters to iPlayer, etc.

Never expect any corporate body to make far-sighted judgements in 
matters like this. Any collective group will almost always make the most 
conservative, least risky, and most immediately obvious decisions. They 
may not be the *best* ones when viewed in hindsight but they usually 
avoid any risk of instant disaster.

A few brilliant (and forceful) CEOs (or the political equivalent) may be 
able to get it right in the short and long term, and they stand out 
spectacularly. Those with the same arrogance but no skill are notable 
for crashing and burning on the spot - Gerald Ratner and the Duke of 
York being splendid examples.

Chris Woolf



From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com  Sat Nov 23 10:49:52 2019
From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray)
Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2019 16:49:52 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] My copyright infringement
In-Reply-To: <c8fbaa89-e5d3-adc7-b28d-9d7fb4c5dcc8@pgtmedia.co.uk>
References: <64b8a8dc-c71e-3ac3-b723-bb8bff17d445@gmail.com>
	<1178673767.7079769.1574436243991@mail.yahoo.com>
	<c8fbaa89-e5d3-adc7-b28d-9d7fb4c5dcc8@pgtmedia.co.uk>
Message-ID: <1f097802-8315-0b4b-3304-e904aa5a599b@gmail.com>

Hi all,

Since the Tech Ops server is located in the USA, Bernie could 
legitimately claim "fair use" for the copy on the Tech Ops web site.

from Wikipedia:

"... Fair use is a doctrine in the law of the United States that permits 
limited use of copyrighted material without having to first acquire 
permission from the copyright holder. Fair use is one of the limitations 
to copyright intended to balance the interests of copyright holders with 
the public interest in the wider distribution and use of creative works 
by allowing as a defense to copyright infringement claims certain 
limited uses that might otherwise be considered infringement...."

Examples of fair use in United States copyright law include criticism, 
parody, news reporting, research, and scholarship.

So, Bernie could claim that the copy of the trail on the Tech Ops web 
site is there for the purposes of our critique of the product, and for 
future researchers into the history of broadcast trails or the history 
of public interest in HHGG - research _and_ scholarship.

American "fair use" is very useful (otherwise presentations I did when I 
was working would have been sunk under? copyright law!)


The copy on YouTube is a different case.


-- 

Best Regards

Alec

Alec Bray

alec.bray.2 at gmail.com
mob:    07789 561 346
home:   0118 981 7502




From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Sat Nov 23 10:59:21 2019
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2019 16:59:21 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Fibonacci Day!
Message-ID: <5ef62fe8-51e5-952b-b62f-8636f47a07c5@btinternet.com>

I hope you are all celebrating one of the lesser known reasons to raise 
a glass (or two). Any excuse, I know! It all started in 1202 when an 
Italian mathematician introduced a special series of numbers to Europe. 
They occur in lots of natural things such as the Agave plant, 
pineapples, flowers, sea shells etc. It is all explained on today's Bing 
desktop wallpaper picture. Cheers, Dave. PS. I'm afraid you can only 
celebrate if you are American though as they write today's date as 
1,1,2,3, which is the start of the Fibonacci sequence, on the other 
hand, as part of the 'Special Relationship' why shouldn't we join our US 
cousins?


From bernie833 at gmail.com  Sat Nov 23 11:09:30 2019
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2019 17:09:30 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] My copyright infringement
In-Reply-To: <1f097802-8315-0b4b-3304-e904aa5a599b@gmail.com>
References: <64b8a8dc-c71e-3ac3-b723-bb8bff17d445@gmail.com>
	<1178673767.7079769.1574436243991@mail.yahoo.com>
	<c8fbaa89-e5d3-adc7-b28d-9d7fb4c5dcc8@pgtmedia.co.uk>
	<1f097802-8315-0b4b-3304-e904aa5a599b@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAA7MLyE7xxS_MOiKSCue-7dwXipXrzEaOqyGq+jaM=SrtTHQZg@mail.gmail.com>

Also, I suppose, it depends on where YouTube is for copyright purposes.

B

On Sat, 23 Nov 2019, 16:50 Alec Bray via Tech1, <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> Since the Tech Ops server is located in the USA, Bernie could
> legitimately claim "fair use" for the copy on the Tech Ops web site.
>
> from Wikipedia:
>
> "... Fair use is a doctrine in the law of the United States that permits
> limited use of copyrighted material without having to first acquire
> permission from the copyright holder. Fair use is one of the limitations
> to copyright intended to balance the interests of copyright holders with
> the public interest in the wider distribution and use of creative works
> by allowing as a defense to copyright infringement claims certain
> limited uses that might otherwise be considered infringement...."
>
> Examples of fair use in United States copyright law include criticism,
> parody, news reporting, research, and scholarship.
>
> So, Bernie could claim that the copy of the trail on the Tech Ops web
> site is there for the purposes of our critique of the product, and for
> future researchers into the history of broadcast trails or the history
> of public interest in HHGG - research _and_ scholarship.
>
> American "fair use" is very useful (otherwise presentations I did when I
> was working would have been sunk under  copyright law!)
>
>
> The copy on YouTube is a different case.
>
>
> --
>
> Best Regards
>
> Alec
>
> Alec Bray
>
> alec.bray.2 at gmail.com
> mob:    07789 561 346
> home:   0118 981 7502
>
>
>
> --
> Tech1 mailing list
> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk
>
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From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk  Sat Nov 23 11:13:02 2019
From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf)
Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2019 17:13:02 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] My copyright infringement
In-Reply-To: <1f097802-8315-0b4b-3304-e904aa5a599b@gmail.com>
References: <64b8a8dc-c71e-3ac3-b723-bb8bff17d445@gmail.com>
	<1178673767.7079769.1574436243991@mail.yahoo.com>
	<c8fbaa89-e5d3-adc7-b28d-9d7fb4c5dcc8@pgtmedia.co.uk>
	<1f097802-8315-0b4b-3304-e904aa5a599b@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <dbfef0cd-c7fa-6bd5-ab47-5543fa52ac55@chriswoolf.co.uk>


On 23/11/2019 16:49, Alec Bray via Tech1 wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Since the Tech Ops server is located in the USA, Bernie could 
> legitimately claim "fair use" for the copy on the Tech Ops web site.

Sadly not, because as soon as it is displayed within the UK our "fair 
dealing" rules apply, NOT the US "fair use".

The US rules are slightly more lax, and make life a little easier, but 
they only apply within the US - you can't extend them to the UK simply 
by claiming the server is there (which you can't be certain of in any case).

Using Creative Commons (the CC mark) is not a defence against copyright 
infringement, but does have the advantage of openly declaring that you 
are not exploiting the material for commercial reasons, and also making 
it clear to others that they shouldn't either. It does tend to deflate 
any aggressive legal approach.

Chris Woolf



>
> from Wikipedia:
>
> "... Fair use is a doctrine in the law of the United States that 
> permits limited use of copyrighted material without having to first 
> acquire permission from the copyright holder. Fair use is one of the 
> limitations to copyright intended to balance the interests of 
> copyright holders with the public interest in the wider distribution 
> and use of creative works by allowing as a defense to copyright 
> infringement claims certain limited uses that might otherwise be 
> considered infringement...."
>
> Examples of fair use in United States copyright law include criticism, 
> parody, news reporting, research, and scholarship.
>
> So, Bernie could claim that the copy of the trail on the Tech Ops web 
> site is there for the purposes of our critique of the product, and for 
> future researchers into the history of broadcast trails or the history 
> of public interest in HHGG - research _and_ scholarship.
>
> American "fair use" is very useful (otherwise presentations I did when 
> I was working would have been sunk under? copyright law!)
>
>
> The copy on YouTube is a different case.
>
>


From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk  Sat Nov 23 11:16:56 2019
From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf)
Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2019 17:16:56 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] My copyright infringement
In-Reply-To: <dbfef0cd-c7fa-6bd5-ab47-5543fa52ac55@chriswoolf.co.uk>
References: <64b8a8dc-c71e-3ac3-b723-bb8bff17d445@gmail.com>
	<1178673767.7079769.1574436243991@mail.yahoo.com>
	<c8fbaa89-e5d3-adc7-b28d-9d7fb4c5dcc8@pgtmedia.co.uk>
	<1f097802-8315-0b4b-3304-e904aa5a599b@gmail.com>
	<dbfef0cd-c7fa-6bd5-ab47-5543fa52ac55@chriswoolf.co.uk>
Message-ID: <51abc953-3e7e-d01f-9425-9f2f62237459@chriswoolf.co.uk>

I meant to append the following as evidence. The server nationality is 
no protection.

https://www.lexology.com/library/detail.aspx?g=3d1bae9f-f2e1-43ee-abab-7417efacc073

Chris W



On 23/11/2019 17:13, Chris Woolf via Tech1 wrote:
>
> On 23/11/2019 16:49, Alec Bray via Tech1 wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Since the Tech Ops server is located in the USA, Bernie could 
>> legitimately claim "fair use" for the copy on the Tech Ops web site.
>
> Sadly not, because as soon as it is displayed within the UK our "fair 
> dealing" rules apply, NOT the US "fair use".
>
> The US rules are slightly more lax, and make life a little easier, but 
> they only apply within the US - you can't extend them to the UK simply 
> by claiming the server is there (which you can't be certain of in any 
> case).
>
> Using Creative Commons (the CC mark) is not a defence against 
> copyright infringement, but does have the advantage of openly 
> declaring that you are not exploiting the material for commercial 
> reasons, and also making it clear to others that they shouldn't 
> either. It does tend to deflate any aggressive legal approach.
>
> Chris Woolf
>
>
>
>>
>> from Wikipedia:
>>
>> "... Fair use is a doctrine in the law of the United States that 
>> permits limited use of copyrighted material without having to first 
>> acquire permission from the copyright holder. Fair use is one of the 
>> limitations to copyright intended to balance the interests of 
>> copyright holders with the public interest in the wider distribution 
>> and use of creative works by allowing as a defense to copyright 
>> infringement claims certain limited uses that might otherwise be 
>> considered infringement...."
>>
>> Examples of fair use in United States copyright law include 
>> criticism, parody, news reporting, research, and scholarship.
>>
>> So, Bernie could claim that the copy of the trail on the Tech Ops web 
>> site is there for the purposes of our critique of the product, and 
>> for future researchers into the history of broadcast trails or the 
>> history of public interest in HHGG - research _and_ scholarship.
>>
>> American "fair use" is very useful (otherwise presentations I did 
>> when I was working would have been sunk under? copyright law!)
>>
>>
>> The copy on YouTube is a different case.
>>
>>
>


From bernie833 at gmail.com  Sat Nov 23 11:45:15 2019
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2019 17:45:15 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Yet Another Scam
In-Reply-To: <581774a1e5dave@davesound.co.uk>
References: <0cd6cc28-a92e-d329-c3c7-5663b0051a90@armoor.plus.com>
	<581774a1e5dave@davesound.co.uk>
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It's normal not to see your own posts. I don't know why - I ticked the
right boxes. So if you start something new, you won't know whether it hot
there till someone replies.

Other similar emails lists have they same problem

B

On Sat, 23 Nov 2019, 14:00 Dave Plowman via Tech1, <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
wrote:

> Sorry to reply to a thread with a different topic. For some reason if I
> start a new topic, it doesn't appear here.
>
> Anyone got a large screen OLED TV? About 60"? Now they are slightly more
> affordable? Never been able to assess such things in the shop, so would
> love to hear from someone who has lived with one.
>
> By all means change the thread title. I'll see any replies to that. ;-)
>
> --
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>
>     Dave Plowman     dave at davesound.co.uk     London SW 12
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From crew13 at vincent68.plus.com  Sun Nov 24 05:55:37 2019
From: crew13 at vincent68.plus.com (John Vincent)
Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2019 11:55:37 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Is It Me
Message-ID: <03D95550-34B4-4BA3-BF5D-8DE14D8FE122@vincent68.plus.com>

Is it me but I don't find Michael Mcintyre funny!

John V


From billjenkin67 at gmail.com  Sun Nov 24 06:01:20 2019
From: billjenkin67 at gmail.com (Bill Jenkin)
Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2019 12:01:20 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Is It Me
In-Reply-To: <03D95550-34B4-4BA3-BF5D-8DE14D8FE122@vincent68.plus.com>
References: <03D95550-34B4-4BA3-BF5D-8DE14D8FE122@vincent68.plus.com>
Message-ID: <CAE6tP4BSE-pCO2bjoprVm=bc4ZM2gqH1YV6aqcVR_0jZ5Xvx9A@mail.gmail.com>

No it's definitely not you John. I think you are in the majority. Can't
stand the man. I'm told it's a generational thing.
Bill J

On Sun, 24 Nov 2019, 11:56 John Vincent via Tech1, <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
wrote:

> Is it me but I don't find Michael Mcintyre funny!
>
> John V
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From geoffletch at gmail.com  Sun Nov 24 06:28:32 2019
From: geoffletch at gmail.com (Geoff Fletcher)
Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2019 12:28:32 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Is It Me
In-Reply-To: <CAE6tP4BSE-pCO2bjoprVm=bc4ZM2gqH1YV6aqcVR_0jZ5Xvx9A@mail.gmail.com>
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Me too. I don't get his humour and find his frenetic approach a real turn
off.
Geoff F

On Sun, 24 Nov 2019 at 12:02, Bill Jenkin via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
wrote:

> No it's definitely not you John. I think you are in the majority. Can't
> stand the man. I'm told it's a generational thing.
> Bill J
>
> On Sun, 24 Nov 2019, 11:56 John Vincent via Tech1, <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
>> Is it me but I don't find Michael Mcintyre funny!
>>
>> John V
>>
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From dave at davesound.co.uk  Sun Nov 24 06:54:39 2019
From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman)
Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2019 12:54:39 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Tech1] Yet Another Scam
In-Reply-To: <CAA7MLyGqto19cqOZDt9v+jVm6q-VZgj7=FcMV494A06_zRV5kg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <0cd6cc28-a92e-d329-c3c7-5663b0051a90@armoor.plus.com>
	<581774a1e5dave@davesound.co.uk>
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Message-ID: <5817f27624dave@davesound.co.uk>

In article
<CAA7MLyGqto19cqOZDt9v+jVm6q-VZgj7=FcMV494A06_zRV5kg at mail.gmail.com>,
   Bernard Newnham <bernie833 at gmail.com> wrote:
> It's normal not to see your own posts. I don't know why - I ticked the
> right boxes. So if you start something new, you won't know whether it hot
> there till someone replies.

Actually, I see then twice. My newsreader seems to put the original on
here when posting, and then again after downloading. Never have worked out
why, as that doesn't happen on other similar email groups. But then non of
the others default to replying to the individual with a copy to the group
either. On all others you've have to deliberately reply to individual -
they default to group only.

-- 
*Women who seek to be equal to men lack ambition.

    Dave Plowman     dave at davesound.co.uk     London SW 12
    


From waresound at msn.com  Sun Nov 24 10:44:38 2019
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2019 16:44:38 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Is It Me
Message-ID: <VI1P192MB0271FD8E3E13B4F959F889E4A74B0@VI1P192MB0271.EURP192.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

It was a very disappointing first of new series. ?Send to all? is of little interest if the replies are from unknowns that don?t mean anything to us, and is an obvious ?fix? anyway, because if you knew you were going to submit yourself to that, the first thing you would do would be to sanitise your contacts list. Bjorn Ulvaeus was incredibly long suffering and gracious in the face of the karaoke banality. Poor him! 
Pity, because we were hoping for better than that.
Mr Grumpy not impressed!
Cheers,
Nick.
Sent from my iPad mini 5

> On 24 Nov 2019, at 11:56, John Vincent via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?Is it me but I don't find Michael Mcintyre funny!
> 
> John V
> 
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From waresound at msn.com  Sun Nov 24 10:59:10 2019
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2019 16:59:10 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Jet washer recommendation?
Message-ID: <VI1P192MB027118CE543CA49438DE49FAA74B0@VI1P192MB0271.EURP192.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

I?m looking to buy a jet washer. We?ve got lots of textured paving slabs that are moss and fungus blackened and slippery, and don?t look as if anyone bothered to clean them before. Pointing mostly in good nick, so hopefully jet wash-proof. Any recommendations? Might even use it to clean the cars to save going to the Poles. The latter used to be good around here, but while the cost goes up, the standards seem to be slipping. I?ve put a Bosch AQT 42-13 at ?131.62 in my Amazon Prime basket, unless you folk advise otherwise.
Off-list if you prefer, to nick at njware.co.uk
Ta muchly,
Nick.
Sent from my iPad mini 5

From mibridge at mac.com  Sun Nov 24 11:31:54 2019
From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles)
Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2019 17:31:54 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Jet washer recommendation?
In-Reply-To: <VI1P192MB027118CE543CA49438DE49FAA74B0@VI1P192MB0271.EURP192.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
References: <VI1P192MB027118CE543CA49438DE49FAA74B0@VI1P192MB0271.EURP192.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
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We have a Bosch which we?ve had for years and apart from the fact that it?s very difficult to unscrew the pressure hose at the machine end without loosening, or removing completely, the union which it attaches to, we?ve been pleased with it. We have needed a couple of spares, but they were easily obtainable from Bosch and at no great cost. 

We have Indian limestone tiles at the back and the rotary brush attachment which I picked up cheaply in a B & Q oddses basket was excellent for those - much quicker than using a lance and less backbreaking, but it broke when I let it hang over the edge of a step and the replacements for those are quite expensive, but I may we?ll bite the bullet after cleaning the terrace yesterday with a lance. 

And yes, it?s quite good for the cars, bird baths and even the house walls when the paint has gone a bit green, but don?t use it too close on rendering as it can dislodge it if it?s a bit long in the tooth. 

We also had a Bosch lawnmower, less than two years old and it started playing up. I returned it to Bosch under warranty at their expense (a courier collected it) and they?ve sent me a brand new one, without quibble. 

Mike G

> On 24 Nov 2019, at 16:59, Nick Ware via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?I?m looking to buy a jet washer. We?ve got lots of textured paving slabs that are moss and fungus blackened and slippery, and don?t look as if anyone bothered to clean them before. Pointing mostly in good nick, so hopefully jet wash-proof. Any recommendations? Might even use it to clean the cars to save going to the Poles. The latter used to be good around here, but while the cost goes up, the standards seem to be slipping. I?ve put a Bosch AQT 42-13 at ?131.62 in my Amazon Prime basket, unless you folk advise otherwise.
> Off-list if you prefer, to nick at njware.co.uk
> Ta muchly,
> Nick.
> Sent from my iPad mini 5
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From graeme.wall at icloud.com  Sun Nov 24 11:34:35 2019
From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall)
Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2019 17:34:35 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Jet washer recommendation?
In-Reply-To: <B74E23F9-F2C3-40AD-AF67-281B04A409B1@mac.com>
References: <VI1P192MB027118CE543CA49438DE49FAA74B0@VI1P192MB0271.EURP192.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
	<B74E23F9-F2C3-40AD-AF67-281B04A409B1@mac.com>
Message-ID: <D3E93E90-A20F-481C-BFEE-94E6AFC40C1F@icloud.com>

Plus one for the Bosch
? 
Graeme Wall


> On 24 Nov 2019, at 17:31, Mike Giles via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> We have a Bosch which we?ve had for years and apart from the fact that it?s very difficult to unscrew the pressure hose at the machine end without loosening, or removing completely, the union which it attaches to, we?ve been pleased with it. We have needed a couple of spares, but they were easily obtainable from Bosch and at no great cost. 
> 
> We have Indian limestone tiles at the back and the rotary brush attachment which I picked up cheaply in a B & Q oddses basket was excellent for those - much quicker than using a lance and less backbreaking, but it broke when I let it hang over the edge of a step and the replacements for those are quite expensive, but I may we?ll bite the bullet after cleaning the terrace yesterday with a lance. 
> 
> And yes, it?s quite good for the cars, bird baths and even the house walls when the paint has gone a bit green, but don?t use it too close on rendering as it can dislodge it if it?s a bit long in the tooth. 
> 
> We also had a Bosch lawnmower, less than two years old and it started playing up. I returned it to Bosch under warranty at their expense (a courier collected it) and they?ve sent me a brand new one, without quibble. 
> 
> Mike G
> 
>> On 24 Nov 2019, at 16:59, Nick Ware via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> ?I?m looking to buy a jet washer. We?ve got lots of textured paving slabs that are moss and fungus blackened and slippery, and don?t look as if anyone bothered to clean them before. Pointing mostly in good nick, so hopefully jet wash-proof. Any recommendations? Might even use it to clean the cars to save going to the Poles. The latter used to be good around here, but while the cost goes up, the standards seem to be slipping. I?ve put a Bosch AQT 42-13 at ?131.62 in my Amazon Prime basket, unless you folk advise otherwise.
>> Off-list if you prefer, to nick at njware.co.uk
>> Ta muchly,
>> Nick.
>> Sent from my iPad mini 5
>> -- 
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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Sun Nov 24 11:41:21 2019
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2019 17:41:21 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Jet washer recommendation?
In-Reply-To: <VI1P192MB027118CE543CA49438DE49FAA74B0@VI1P192MB0271.EURP192.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
References: <VI1P192MB027118CE543CA49438DE49FAA74B0@VI1P192MB0271.EURP192.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
Message-ID: <fd40c3cf-b464-55c0-d12d-16a2e9ca070a@gmail.com>

I have a Nilfisk like this one - https://www.argos.co.uk/product/1577941 
Has worked fine for a long time.

B


On 24/11/2019 16:59, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote:
> I?m looking to buy a jet washer. We?ve got lots of textured paving slabs that are moss and fungus blackened and slippery, and don?t look as if anyone bothered to clean them before. Pointing mostly in good nick, so hopefully jet wash-proof. Any recommendations? Might even use it to clean the cars to save going to the Poles. The latter used to be good around here, but while the cost goes up, the standards seem to be slipping. I?ve put a Bosch AQT 42-13 at ?131.62 in my Amazon Prime basket, unless you folk advise otherwise.
> Off-list if you prefer, to nick at njware.co.uk
> Ta muchly,
> Nick.
> Sent from my iPad mini 5

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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Sun Nov 24 11:43:52 2019
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2019 17:43:52 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Jet washer recommendation?
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....though jet washing cars tends not to get all the dirt off, it does 
need a manual rub down too.

B


On 24/11/2019 16:59, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote:
> I?m looking to buy a jet washer. We?ve got lots of textured paving slabs that are moss and fungus blackened and slippery, and don?t look as if anyone bothered to clean them before. Pointing mostly in good nick, so hopefully jet wash-proof. Any recommendations? Might even use it to clean the cars to save going to the Poles. The latter used to be good around here, but while the cost goes up, the standards seem to be slipping. I?ve put a Bosch AQT 42-13 at ?131.62 in my Amazon Prime basket, unless you folk advise otherwise.
> Off-list if you prefer, to nick at njware.co.uk
> Ta muchly,
> Nick.
> Sent from my iPad mini 5

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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Sun Nov 24 11:59:57 2019
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2019 17:59:57 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Jet washer recommendation?
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Message-ID: <5ddac51b.1c69fb81.8495a.07da@mx.google.com>

My Somerset friends have a Karcher, which has worked well for several years, and I?ve used it on their garden furniture.
There?s an attachment you can get which rotates the jet, so you don?t get a series of ?lines? if you get too close to the stones.
The Karcher range seems to be from ?80 - ?250 or so, but I don?t know the model number that they have.
You might see what Screwfix can offer as a further possibility.
Good jetting!
Pat

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Nick Ware via Tech1
Sent: 24 November 2019 16:59
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: [Tech1] Jet washer recommendation?

I?m looking to buy a jet washer. We?ve got lots of textured paving slabs that are moss and fungus blackened and slippery, and don?t look as if anyone bothered to clean them before. Pointing mostly in good nick, so hopefully jet wash-proof. Any recommendations? Might even use it to clean the cars to save going to the Poles. The latter used to be good around here, but while the cost goes up, the standards seem to be slipping. I?ve put a Bosch AQT 42-13 at ?131.62 in my Amazon Prime basket, unless you folk advise otherwise.
Off-list if you prefer, to nick at njware.co.uk
Ta muchly,
Nick.
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From Waresound at msn.com  Sun Nov 24 12:13:00 2019
From: Waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2019 18:13:00 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Jet washer recommendation?
In-Reply-To: <D3E93E90-A20F-481C-BFEE-94E6AFC40C1F@icloud.com>
References: <VI1P192MB027118CE543CA49438DE49FAA74B0@VI1P192MB0271.EURP192.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
	<B74E23F9-F2C3-40AD-AF67-281B04A409B1@mac.com>,
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Good so far! I was biased towards Bosch anyway, because my lawnmower, strimmer, wood shredder, leaf blower, and hand drill are all Bosch. So are both ovens, the hob, the fridge, the freezer, the dishwasher, and the washing machine. They must be doing something right. 
The boiler, however, is British made, and has been out of action for the last ten days, waiting for a replacement igniter.
I like the bleach idea, but with a dog on the loose I don?t think that?s an option. Maybe there are more pet-friendly alternatives. I?ll look into that.
Cheers and thanks,
Nick.
Sent from my iPad mini 5

> On 24 Nov 2019, at 17:34, Graeme Wall <graeme.wall at icloud.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Plus one for the Bosch
> ? 
> Graeme Wall
> 
> 
>> On 24 Nov 2019, at 17:31, Mike Giles via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> We have a Bosch which we?ve had for years and apart from the fact that it?s very difficult to unscrew the pressure hose at the machine end without loosening, or removing completely, the union which it attaches to, we?ve been pleased with it. We have needed a couple of spares, but they were easily obtainable from Bosch and at no great cost. 
>> 
>> We have Indian limestone tiles at the back and the rotary brush attachment which I picked up cheaply in a B & Q oddses basket was excellent for those - much quicker than using a lance and less backbreaking, but it broke when I let it hang over the edge of a step and the replacements for those are quite expensive, but I may we?ll bite the bullet after cleaning the terrace yesterday with a lance. 
>> 
>> And yes, it?s quite good for the cars, bird baths and even the house walls when the paint has gone a bit green, but don?t use it too close on rendering as it can dislodge it if it?s a bit long in the tooth. 
>> 
>> We also had a Bosch lawnmower, less than two years old and it started playing up. I returned it to Bosch under warranty at their expense (a courier collected it) and they?ve sent me a brand new one, without quibble. 
>> 
>> Mike G
>> 
>>>> On 24 Nov 2019, at 16:59, Nick Ware via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?I?m looking to buy a jet washer. We?ve got lots of textured paving slabs that are moss and fungus blackened and slippery, and don?t look as if anyone bothered to clean them before. Pointing mostly in good nick, so hopefully jet wash-proof. Any recommendations? Might even use it to clean the cars to save going to the Poles. The latter used to be good around here, but while the cost goes up, the standards seem to be slipping. I?ve put a Bosch AQT 42-13 at ?131.62 in my Amazon Prime basket, unless you folk advise otherwise.
>>> Off-list if you prefer, to nick at njware.co.uk
>>> Ta muchly,
>>> Nick.
>>> Sent from my iPad mini 5
>>> -- 
>>> Tech1 mailing list
>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk
>> 
>> 
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From geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com  Sun Nov 24 12:44:35 2019
From: geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com (geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com)
Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2019 18:44:35 -0000
Subject: [Tech1] Is It Me?
Message-ID: <003501d5a2f7$37d119d0$a7734d70$@gmail.com>

John, Bill and all,

I can?t say that I find Michael McIntyre very funny or entertaining either, nor do I with most, if any of the comedians who perform the one man/woman acts on shows like Live At The Apollo. It?s clear that he and they do have an appeal to their audiences as can be seen from the way they play to ?packed houses? to use one of Danny la Rou?s favourite terms to describe his own successes and they seem to be hanging on his every word from the moment he comes dancing across the stage.

 

Looking back, I found it hard to understand the hold that Ken Dodd had on his audiences either, with a series of what individually were not very funny jokes and one-liners about life in Knotty Ash, delivered with waves of his tickling stick. That was till one time I happened to be working on a show at the Theatre when he was a guest and from my position on the back of the Mole in the well I was able to observe him close hand. His gift, I decided was how he engaged with the audience with looks and gestures and unrelenting patter, the sheer absurdity of which  had everyone, including me, laughing along with him. As is well known, he could go on for hours and frequently overran his allotted time, as he did on that occasion, but he loved performing, loved his audiences and they loved him. He came over as a genuinely nice, sincere man.

 

I felt the same way about Bob Monkhouse too and it was great to hear the tributes that were paid to him in last Thursday?s repeat of a farewell show Bob Monkhouse: The Last Stand on BBC4 that he did in front of some of his fellow comedians, recorded only months before he died in 2003.

 

Of those still living, Barry Cryer I think is one of the best, with his witty, dead-pan gags. I happened to meet him on the foyer at the Palladium on the night of the tribute show for Bruce Forsyth. I spoke to him briefly to say that I remembered working with him when he was a writer on the Kenny Everett show back in the eighties and he claimed to remember me too, though I think he was being polite. I told him how much I liked his famous parrot joke (I?m sure you know it), for which he thanked me but added that at that moment, his chief concern was to find a toilet! In that regard I was ahead of him, having needed it on arrival myself, one of the less appealing effects of advancing years as I?m sure many of you will agree - and I was pleased to be able to direct him to it?

 

I expect you have your own favourites among the funny men/women past and present, Victoria Wood probably ranking high on the list,

 

 

Geoff Hawkes

 

From: Tech1 <tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk> On Behalf Of Bill Jenkin via Tech1
Sent: 24 November 2019 12:01
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No it's definitely not you John. I think you are in the majority. Can't stand the man. I'm told it's a generational thing.

Bill J

 

On Sun, 24 Nov 2019, 11:56 John Vincent via Tech1, <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> > wrote:

Is it me but I don't find Michael Mcintyre funny!

John V

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From geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com  Sun Nov 24 12:55:24 2019
From: geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com (Geoffrey Hawkes)
Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2019 18:55:24 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Is It Me?
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?John, Bill, Geoff and all,
> 
> I can?t say that I find Michael McIntyre very funny or entertaining either, nor do I with most, if any of the comedians who perform the one man/woman acts on shows like Live At The Apollo. It?s clear that he and they do have an appeal to their audiences as can be seen from the way they play to ?packed houses? to use one of Danny la Rou?s favourite terms to describe his own successes and they seem to be hanging on his every word from the moment he comes dancing across the stage.
>  
> Looking back, I found it hard to understand the hold that Ken Dodd had on his audiences either, with a series of what individually were not very funny jokes and one-liners about life in Knotty Ash, delivered with waves of his tickling stick. That was till one time I happened to be working on a show at the Theatre when he was a guest and from my position on the back of the Mole in the well I was able to observe him close hand. His gift, I decided was how he engaged with the audience with looks and gestures and unrelenting patter, the sheer absurdity of which  had everyone, including me, laughing along with him. As is well known, he could go on for hours and frequently overran his allotted time, as he did on that occasion, but he loved performing, loved his audiences and they loved him. He came over as a genuinely nice, sincere man.
>  
> I felt the same way about Bob Monkhouse too and it was great to hear the tributes that were paid to him in last Thursday?s repeat of a farewell show Bob Monkhouse: The Last Stand on BBC4 that he did in front of some of his fellow comedians, recorded only months before he died in 2003.
>  
> Of those still living, Barry Cryer I think is one of the best, with his witty, dead-pan gags. I happened to meet him on the foyer at the Palladium on the night of the tribute show for Bruce Forsyth. I spoke to him briefly to say that I remembered working with him when he was a writer on the Kenny Everett show back in the eighties and he claimed to remember me too, though I think he was being polite. I told him how much I liked his famous parrot joke (I?m sure you know it), for which he thanked me but added that at that moment, his chief concern was to find a toilet! In that regard I was ahead of him, having needed it on arrival myself, one of the less appealing effects of advancing years as I?m sure many of you will agree - and I was pleased to be able to direct him to it?
>  
> I expect you have your own favourites among the funny men/women past and present, Victoria Wood probably ranking high on the list,
>  
>  
> Geoff Hawkes
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From geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com  Sun Nov 24 13:03:53 2019
From: geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com (Geoffrey Hawkes)
Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2019 19:03:53 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Is It Me?
Message-ID: <CAFdLG4wmW03hd-mTpUza+UYP3nhXUvMf23eNtFX+-8p73oix0w@mail.gmail.com>

John, Bill, Geoff and all,

I can?t say that I find Michael McIntyre very funny or entertaining either,
nor do I with most, if any of the comedians who perform the one man/woman
acts on shows like Live At The Apollo. It?s clear that he and they do have
an appeal to their audiences as can be seen from the way they play to
?packed houses? to use one of Danny la Rou?s favourite terms to describe
his own successes and they seem to be hanging on his every word from the
moment he comes on, dancing across the stage.

Looking back, I found it hard to understand the hold that Ken Dodd had on
his audiences either, with a series of what individually were not very
funny jokes and one-liners about life in Knotty Ash, delivered with waves
of his tickling stick. That was till one time I happened to be working on a
show at the Theatre when he was a guest and from my position on the back of
the Mole in the well I was able to observe him close hand. His gift, I
decided was how he engaged with the audience with looks and gestures and
unrelenting patter, the sheer absurdity of which  had everyone, including
me, laughing along with him. As is well known, he could go on for hours and
frequently overran his allotted time, as he did on that occasion, but he
loved performing, loved his audiences and they loved him. He came over as a
genuinely nice, sincere man.

I felt the same way about Bob Monkhouse too and it was great to hear the
tributes that were paid to him in last Thursday?s repeat of a farewell show
Bob Monkhouse: The Last Stand on BBC4 that he did in front of some of his
fellow comedians, recorded only months before he died in 2003.

Of those still living, Barry Cryer I think is one of the best, with his
witty, dead-pan gags. I happened to meet him on the foyer at the Palladium
on the night of the tribute show for Bruce Forsyth. I spoke to him briefly
to say that I remembered working with him when he was a writer on the Kenny
Everett show back in the eighties and he claimed to remember me too, though
I think he was being polite. I told him how much I liked his famous parrot
joke (I?m sure you know it), for which he thanked me but added that at that
moment, his chief concern was to find a toilet! In that regard I was ahead
of him, having needed it on arrival myself, one of the less appealing
effects of advancing years as I?m sure many of you will agree - and I was
pleased to be able to direct him to it?

I expect you have your own favourites among the funny men/women past and
present, Victoria Wood probably ranking high on the list,

*Geoff Hawkes*
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From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net  Sun Nov 24 13:18:02 2019
From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt)
Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2019 19:18:02 -0000
Subject: [Tech1] Jet washer recommendation?
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I've owned and been using pressure washers for well over 30 years - all 
Karcher. The first was an industrial quality model 580 with a 2000W motor, 
not resembling a Hoover on plastic wheels typical of most manufacturer's 
(including Karcher) current DIY offerings but a pick-up-and-carry affair as 
attached pic. For its size it was extraordinarily heavy and it lasted 
through 20 years of frequent heavy use.

I gave up on it when the on/off switch failed (the big black affair on top 
in front of the carry handle). I bought as a replacement a Karcher K5.80, a 
DIY machine which is mostly plastic and functions well enough I guess but 
can't hold a candle to my original 580. Not designed for continuous use, 
it's thermal cut-out kicks in if you push it too hard and takes an age 
before it can be re-set. Heaven knows what industrial quality machines cost 
now but someone in Sidmouth is currently offering a S/H 580 like my old one 
for ?150 and it must be donkey's years old.

Beware the force you may need if there is a slippery algal growth under the 
moss and black mould - it can be very difficult to shift. Unless 
recommendations have changed, many slab manufacturers countenance against 
pressure washing but I have found it's a no option situation where things 
have got bad.

I have a Bosch electric hedge trimmer with a 36" bar which has given years 
of service and is still brilliant. Current 'Which' reviews do give 
reasonable ratings to some of the Bosch pressure washers but all  the 'best 
buys' are either Nilfisk or Karcher (mostly Nilfisk).

Good luck!

Dave Newbitt.



-----Original Message----- 
From: Nick Ware via Tech1
Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2019 6:13 PM
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Jet washer recommendation?

Good so far! I was biased towards Bosch anyway, because my lawnmower, 
strimmer, wood shredder, leaf blower, and hand drill are all Bosch. So are 
both ovens, the hob, the fridge, the freezer, the dishwasher, and the 
washing machine. They must be doing something right.
The boiler, however, is British made, and has been out of action for the 
last ten days, waiting for a replacement igniter.
I like the bleach idea, but with a dog on the loose I don?t think that?s an 
option. Maybe there are more pet-friendly alternatives. I?ll look into that.
Cheers and thanks,
Nick.
Sent from my iPad mini 5

> On 24 Nov 2019, at 17:34, Graeme Wall <graeme.wall at icloud.com> wrote:
>
> ?Plus one for the Bosch
> ?
> Graeme Wall
>
>
>> On 24 Nov 2019, at 17:31, Mike Giles via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> 
>> wrote:
>>
>> We have a Bosch which we?ve had for years and apart from the fact that it?s 
>> very difficult to unscrew the pressure hose at the machine end without 
>> loosening, or removing completely, the union which it attaches to, we?ve 
>> been pleased with it. We have needed a couple of spares, but they were 
>> easily obtainable from Bosch and at no great cost.
>>
>> We have Indian limestone tiles at the back and the rotary brush 
>> attachment which I picked up cheaply in a B & Q oddses basket was 
>> excellent for those - much quicker than using a lance and less 
>> backbreaking, but it broke when I let it hang over the edge of a step and 
>> the replacements for those are quite expensive, but I may we?ll bite the 
>> bullet after cleaning the terrace yesterday with a lance.
>>
>> And yes, it?s quite good for the cars, bird baths and even the house 
>> walls when the paint has gone a bit green, but don?t use it too close on 
>> rendering as it can dislodge it if it?s a bit long in the tooth.
>>
>> We also had a Bosch lawnmower, less than two years old and it started 
>> playing up. I returned it to Bosch under warranty at their expense (a 
>> courier collected it) and they?ve sent me a brand new one, without 
>> quibble.
>>
>> Mike G
>>
>>>> On 24 Nov 2019, at 16:59, Nick Ware via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> ?I?m looking to buy a jet washer. We?ve got lots of textured paving 
>>> slabs that are moss and fungus blackened and slippery, and don?t look as 
>>> if anyone bothered to clean them before. Pointing mostly in good nick, 
>>> so hopefully jet wash-proof. Any recommendations? Might even use it to 
>>> clean the cars to save going to the Poles. The latter used to be good 
>>> around here, but while the cost goes up, the standards seem to be 
>>> slipping. I?ve put a Bosch AQT 42-13 at ?131.62 in my Amazon Prime 
>>> basket, unless you folk advise otherwise.
>>> Off-list if you prefer, to nick at njware.co.uk
>>> Ta muchly,
>>> Nick.
>>> Sent from my iPad mini 5
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From s.k.edwards at btinternet.com  Sun Nov 24 14:39:05 2019
From: s.k.edwards at btinternet.com (Steve Edwards)
Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2019 20:39:05 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Jet washer recommendation?
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The first Karchers of circa mid 90s seemed to be good machines of almost industrial quality with a powerful output pump. 

Unfortunately the same physical size machines they now offer these days don?t have the same litres per minute output and like a lot of things today, don?t appear to be built to last. My first Karcher lasted over 20 years. Unlike the original, the new replacement hose fitted recently kinked very easily as it wasn?t up to the job. There are counterfeit Karchers & parts being sold. 

I moved over to Stihl - (the chainsaw manufacturer) 
for a decent quility machine that has a good flow rate and you can easily get spare parts for - Stihl have a policy where you can only buy new machines from an approved dealer thus minimising counterfeit goods entering the market.  

Depending where you are - eg under trees or damp conditions etc. Indian sandstone/limestone can suffer algae & moss so a 2-3 yearly power wash may well be necessary.  There is an environmentally friendly-ish vinegar based patio cleaner that works quite well but if it?s impregnated with years of algae, we use an industrial bleach that is carefully applied to areas deemed safe enough to apply. 

Steve

> On 24 Nov 2019, at 19:18, David Newbitt via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?I've owned and been using pressure washers for well over 30 years - all Karcher. The first was an industrial quality model 580 with a 2000W motor, not resembling a Hoover on plastic wheels typical of most manufacturer's (including Karcher) current DIY offerings but a pick-up-and-carry affair as attached pic. For its size it was extraordinarily heavy and it lasted through 20 years of frequent heavy use.
> 
> I gave up on it when the on/off switch failed (the big black affair on top in front of the carry handle). I bought as a replacement a Karcher K5.80, a DIY machine which is mostly plastic and functions well enough I guess but can't hold a candle to my original 580. Not designed for continuous use, it's thermal cut-out kicks in if you push it too hard and takes an age before it can be re-set. Heaven knows what industrial quality machines cost now but someone in Sidmouth is currently offering a S/H 580 like my old one for ?150 and it must be donkey's years old.
> 
> Beware the force you may need if there is a slippery algal growth under the moss and black mould - it can be very difficult to shift. Unless recommendations have changed, many slab manufacturers countenance against pressure washing but I have found it's a no option situation where things have got bad.
> 
> I have a Bosch electric hedge trimmer with a 36" bar which has given years of service and is still brilliant. Current 'Which' reviews do give reasonable ratings to some of the Bosch pressure washers but all  the 'best buys' are either Nilfisk or Karcher (mostly Nilfisk).
> 
> Good luck!
> 
> Dave Newbitt.
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message----- From: Nick Ware via Tech1
> Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2019 6:13 PM
> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Jet washer recommendation?
> 
> Good so far! I was biased towards Bosch anyway, because my lawnmower, strimmer, wood shredder, leaf blower, and hand drill are all Bosch. So are both ovens, the hob, the fridge, the freezer, the dishwasher, and the washing machine. They must be doing something right.
> The boiler, however, is British made, and has been out of action for the last ten days, waiting for a replacement igniter.
> I like the bleach idea, but with a dog on the loose I don?t think that?s an option. Maybe there are more pet-friendly alternatives. I?ll look into that.
> Cheers and thanks,
> Nick.
> Sent from my iPad mini 5
> 
>>> On 24 Nov 2019, at 17:34, Graeme Wall <graeme.wall at icloud.com> wrote:
>> ?Plus one for the Bosch
>> ?
>> Graeme Wall
>>>> On 24 Nov 2019, at 17:31, Mike Giles via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> We have a Bosch which we?ve had for years and apart from the fact that it?s very difficult to unscrew the pressure hose at the machine end without loosening, or removing completely, the union which it attaches to, we?ve been pleased with it. We have needed a couple of spares, but they were easily obtainable from Bosch and at no great cost.
>>> We have Indian limestone tiles at the back and the rotary brush attachment which I picked up cheaply in a B & Q oddses basket was excellent for those - much quicker than using a lance and less backbreaking, but it broke when I let it hang over the edge of a step and the replacements for those are quite expensive, but I may we?ll bite the bullet after cleaning the terrace yesterday with a lance.
>>> And yes, it?s quite good for the cars, bird baths and even the house walls when the paint has gone a bit green, but don?t use it too close on rendering as it can dislodge it if it?s a bit long in the tooth.
>>> We also had a Bosch lawnmower, less than two years old and it started playing up. I returned it to Bosch under warranty at their expense (a courier collected it) and they?ve sent me a brand new one, without quibble.
>>> Mike G
>>>>> On 24 Nov 2019, at 16:59, Nick Ware via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> ?I?m looking to buy a jet washer. We?ve got lots of textured paving slabs that are moss and fungus blackened and slippery, and don?t look as if anyone bothered to clean them before. Pointing mostly in good nick, so hopefully jet wash-proof. Any recommendations? Might even use it to clean the cars to save going to the Poles. The latter used to be good around here, but while the cost goes up, the standards seem to be slipping. I?ve put a Bosch AQT 42-13 at ?131.62 in my Amazon Prime basket, unless you folk advise otherwise.
>>>> Off-list if you prefer, to nick at njware.co.uk
>>>> Ta muchly,
>>>> Nick.
>>>> Sent from my iPad mini 5
>>>> --
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From s.k.edwards at btinternet.com  Sun Nov 24 14:39:05 2019
From: s.k.edwards at btinternet.com (Steve Edwards)
Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2019 20:39:05 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Jet washer recommendation?
In-Reply-To: <A10A0654B85A476F951D44D8FC55258F@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>
References: <A10A0654B85A476F951D44D8FC55258F@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>
Message-ID: <2E7A2D67-317F-4840-B376-EB1B3576301A@btinternet.com>

The first Karchers of circa mid 90s seemed to be good machines of almost industrial quality with a powerful output pump. 

Unfortunately the same physical size machines they now offer these days don?t have the same litres per minute output and like a lot of things today, don?t appear to be built to last. My first Karcher lasted over 20 years. Unlike the original, the new replacement hose fitted recently kinked very easily as it wasn?t up to the job. There are counterfeit Karchers & parts being sold. 

I moved over to Stihl - (the chainsaw manufacturer) 
for a decent quility machine that has a good flow rate and you can easily get spare parts for - Stihl have a policy where you can only buy new machines from an approved dealer thus minimising counterfeit goods entering the market.  

Depending where you are - eg under trees or damp conditions etc. Indian sandstone/limestone can suffer algae & moss so a 2-3 yearly power wash may well be necessary.  There is an environmentally friendly-ish vinegar based patio cleaner that works quite well but if it?s impregnated with years of algae, we use an industrial bleach that is carefully applied to areas deemed safe enough to apply. 

Steve

> On 24 Nov 2019, at 19:18, David Newbitt via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?I've owned and been using pressure washers for well over 30 years - all Karcher. The first was an industrial quality model 580 with a 2000W motor, not resembling a Hoover on plastic wheels typical of most manufacturer's (including Karcher) current DIY offerings but a pick-up-and-carry affair as attached pic. For its size it was extraordinarily heavy and it lasted through 20 years of frequent heavy use.
> 
> I gave up on it when the on/off switch failed (the big black affair on top in front of the carry handle). I bought as a replacement a Karcher K5.80, a DIY machine which is mostly plastic and functions well enough I guess but can't hold a candle to my original 580. Not designed for continuous use, it's thermal cut-out kicks in if you push it too hard and takes an age before it can be re-set. Heaven knows what industrial quality machines cost now but someone in Sidmouth is currently offering a S/H 580 like my old one for ?150 and it must be donkey's years old.
> 
> Beware the force you may need if there is a slippery algal growth under the moss and black mould - it can be very difficult to shift. Unless recommendations have changed, many slab manufacturers countenance against pressure washing but I have found it's a no option situation where things have got bad.
> 
> I have a Bosch electric hedge trimmer with a 36" bar which has given years of service and is still brilliant. Current 'Which' reviews do give reasonable ratings to some of the Bosch pressure washers but all  the 'best buys' are either Nilfisk or Karcher (mostly Nilfisk).
> 
> Good luck!
> 
> Dave Newbitt.
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message----- From: Nick Ware via Tech1
> Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2019 6:13 PM
> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Jet washer recommendation?
> 
> Good so far! I was biased towards Bosch anyway, because my lawnmower, strimmer, wood shredder, leaf blower, and hand drill are all Bosch. So are both ovens, the hob, the fridge, the freezer, the dishwasher, and the washing machine. They must be doing something right.
> The boiler, however, is British made, and has been out of action for the last ten days, waiting for a replacement igniter.
> I like the bleach idea, but with a dog on the loose I don?t think that?s an option. Maybe there are more pet-friendly alternatives. I?ll look into that.
> Cheers and thanks,
> Nick.
> Sent from my iPad mini 5
> 
>>> On 24 Nov 2019, at 17:34, Graeme Wall <graeme.wall at icloud.com> wrote:
>> ?Plus one for the Bosch
>> ?
>> Graeme Wall
>>>> On 24 Nov 2019, at 17:31, Mike Giles via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> We have a Bosch which we?ve had for years and apart from the fact that it?s very difficult to unscrew the pressure hose at the machine end without loosening, or removing completely, the union which it attaches to, we?ve been pleased with it. We have needed a couple of spares, but they were easily obtainable from Bosch and at no great cost.
>>> We have Indian limestone tiles at the back and the rotary brush attachment which I picked up cheaply in a B & Q oddses basket was excellent for those - much quicker than using a lance and less backbreaking, but it broke when I let it hang over the edge of a step and the replacements for those are quite expensive, but I may we?ll bite the bullet after cleaning the terrace yesterday with a lance.
>>> And yes, it?s quite good for the cars, bird baths and even the house walls when the paint has gone a bit green, but don?t use it too close on rendering as it can dislodge it if it?s a bit long in the tooth.
>>> We also had a Bosch lawnmower, less than two years old and it started playing up. I returned it to Bosch under warranty at their expense (a courier collected it) and they?ve sent me a brand new one, without quibble.
>>> Mike G
>>>>> On 24 Nov 2019, at 16:59, Nick Ware via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> ?I?m looking to buy a jet washer. We?ve got lots of textured paving slabs that are moss and fungus blackened and slippery, and don?t look as if anyone bothered to clean them before. Pointing mostly in good nick, so hopefully jet wash-proof. Any recommendations? Might even use it to clean the cars to save going to the Poles. The latter used to be good around here, but while the cost goes up, the standards seem to be slipping. I?ve put a Bosch AQT 42-13 at ?131.62 in my Amazon Prime basket, unless you folk advise otherwise.
>>>> Off-list if you prefer, to nick at njware.co.uk
>>>> Ta muchly,
>>>> Nick.
>>>> Sent from my iPad mini 5
>>>> --
>>>> Tech1 mailing list
>>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
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From geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com  Sun Nov 24 17:45:46 2019
From: geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com (Geoffrey Hawkes)
Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2019 23:45:46 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Is it Me?
Message-ID: <CAFdLG4wG0wVCNORmBiVmsGKyGO7QfJD5zWzz8+FYmUn=LP5pxg@mail.gmail.com>

 John, Bill, Geoff and all,

I can?t say that I find Michael McIntyre very funny or entertaining either,
nor do I with most, if any of the comedians who perform the one man/woman
acts on shows like Live At The Apollo. It?s clear that he and they do have
an appeal to their audiences as can be seen from the way they play to
?packed houses? to use one of Danny la Rou?s favourite terms to describe
his own successes and they seem to be hanging on his every word from the
moment he comes dancing across the stage.

 Looking back, I found it hard to understand the hold that Ken Dodd had on
his audiences either, with a series of what individually were not very
funny jokes and one-liners about life in Knotty Ash, delivered with waves
of his tickling stick. That was till one time I happened to be working on a
show at the Theatre when he was a guest and from my position on the back of
the Mole in the well I was able to observe him close hand. His gift, I
decided was how he engaged with the audience with looks and gestures and
unrelenting patter, the sheer absurdity of which  had everyone, including
me, laughing along with him. As is well known, he could go on for hours and
frequently overran his allotted time, as he did on that occasion, but he
loved performing, loved his audiences and they loved him. He came over as a
genuinely nice, sincere man.

 I felt the same way about Bob Monkhouse too and it was great to hear the
tributes that were paid to him in last Thursday?s repeat of a farewell show
Bob Monkhouse: The Last Stand on BBC4 that he did in front of some of his
fellow comedians, recorded only months before he died in 2003.



Of those still living, Barry Cryer I think is one of the best, with his
witty, dead-pan gags. I happened to meet him on the foyer at the Palladium
on the night of the tribute show for Bruce Forsyth. I spoke to him briefly
to say that I remembered working with him when he was a writer on the Kenny
Everett show back in the eighties and he claimed to remember me too, though
I think he was being polite. I told him how much I liked his famous parrot
joke (I?m sure you know it), for which he thanked me but added that at that
moment, his chief concern was to find a toilet! In that regard I was ahead
of him, having needed it on arrival myself, one of the less appealing
effects of advancing years as I?m sure many of you will agree - and I was
pleased to be able to direct him to it?



I expect you have your own favourites among the funny men/women past and
present, Victoria Wood probably ranking high on the list,

*Geoff Hawkes*
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From mibridge at mac.com  Sun Nov 24 18:08:27 2019
From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles)
Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2019 00:08:27 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Jet washer recommendation?
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You are quite right, Steve, it?s Indian sandstone we have, not limestone, and, as you also say, the suppliers advise against pressure washing, but there is no choice. I?ve tried all sorts of proprietary so-called ?magic? concoctions, followed by sufficient scrubbing as to wear out the brush, but to no effect and as ours drains onto the lawn, you can?t use anything which would kill the grass. 

The only thing which does work with stains from bird droppings, particularly purple ones, is one of the washing agents designed to remove stains, but that?s only practical on small marks. 

Mike G

> On 24 Nov 2019, at 20:39, Steve Edwards via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?The first Karchers of circa mid 90s seemed to be good machines of almost industrial quality with a powerful output pump. 
> 
> Unfortunately the same physical size machines they now offer these days don?t have the same litres per minute output and like a lot of things today, don?t appear to be built to last. My first Karcher lasted over 20 years. Unlike the original, the new replacement hose fitted recently kinked very easily as it wasn?t up to the job. There are counterfeit Karchers & parts being sold.
> 
> I moved over to Stihl - (the chainsaw manufacturer) 
> for a decent quility machine that has a good flow rate and you can easily get spare parts for - Stihl have a policy where you can only buy new machines from an approved dealer thus minimising counterfeit goods entering the market.  
> 
> Depending where you are - eg under trees or damp conditions etc. Indian sandstone/limestone can suffer algae & moss so a 2-3 yearly power wash may well be necessary.  There is an environmentally friendly-ish vinegar based patio cleaner that works quite well but if it?s impregnated with years of algae, we use an industrial bleach that is carefully applied to areas deemed safe enough to apply. 
> 
> Steve
> 
>> On 24 Nov 2019, at 19:18, David Newbitt via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> ?I've owned and been using pressure washers for well over 30 years - all Karcher. The first was an industrial quality model 580 with a 2000W motor, not resembling a Hoover on plastic wheels typical of most manufacturer's (including Karcher) current DIY offerings but a pick-up-and-carry affair as attached pic. For its size it was extraordinarily heavy and it lasted through 20 years of frequent heavy use.
>> 
>> I gave up on it when the on/off switch failed (the big black affair on top in front of the carry handle). I bought as a replacement a Karcher K5.80, a DIY machine which is mostly plastic and functions well enough I guess but can't hold a candle to my original 580. Not designed for continuous use, it's thermal cut-out kicks in if you push it too hard and takes an age before it can be re-set. Heaven knows what industrial quality machines cost now but someone in Sidmouth is currently offering a S/H 580 like my old one for ?150 and it must be donkey's years old.
>> 
>> Beware the force you may need if there is a slippery algal growth under the moss and black mould - it can be very difficult to shift. Unless recommendations have changed, many slab manufacturers countenance against pressure washing but I have found it's a no option situation where things have got bad.
>> 
>> I have a Bosch electric hedge trimmer with a 36" bar which has given years of service and is still brilliant. Current 'Which' reviews do give reasonable ratings to some of the Bosch pressure washers but all  the 'best buys' are either Nilfisk or Karcher (mostly Nilfisk).
>> 
>> Good luck!
>> 
>> Dave Newbitt.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message----- From: Nick Ware via Tech1
>> Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2019 6:13 PM
>> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Jet washer recommendation?
>> 
>> Good so far! I was biased towards Bosch anyway, because my lawnmower, strimmer, wood shredder, leaf blower, and hand drill are all Bosch. So are both ovens, the hob, the fridge, the freezer, the dishwasher, and the washing machine. They must be doing something right.
>> The boiler, however, is British made, and has been out of action for the last ten days, waiting for a replacement igniter.
>> I like the bleach idea, but with a dog on the loose I don?t think that?s an option. Maybe there are more pet-friendly alternatives. I?ll look into that.
>> Cheers and thanks,
>> Nick.
>> Sent from my iPad mini 5
>> 
>>>>> On 24 Nov 2019, at 17:34, Graeme Wall <graeme.wall at icloud.com> wrote:
>>> ?Plus one for the Bosch
>>> ?
>>> Graeme Wall
>>>>> On 24 Nov 2019, at 17:31, Mike Giles via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> We have a Bosch which we?ve had for years and apart from the fact that it?s very difficult to unscrew the pressure hose at the machine end without loosening, or removing completely, the union which it attaches to, we?ve been pleased with it. We have needed a couple of spares, but they were easily obtainable from Bosch and at no great cost.
>>>> We have Indian limestone tiles at the back and the rotary brush attachment which I picked up cheaply in a B & Q oddses basket was excellent for those - much quicker than using a lance and less backbreaking, but it broke when I let it hang over the edge of a step and the replacements for those are quite expensive, but I may we?ll bite the bullet after cleaning the terrace yesterday with a lance.
>>>> And yes, it?s quite good for the cars, bird baths and even the house walls when the paint has gone a bit green, but don?t use it too close on rendering as it can dislodge it if it?s a bit long in the tooth.
>>>> We also had a Bosch lawnmower, less than two years old and it started playing up. I returned it to Bosch under warranty at their expense (a courier collected it) and they?ve sent me a brand new one, without quibble.
>>>> Mike G
>>>>>> On 24 Nov 2019, at 16:59, Nick Ware via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>> ?I?m looking to buy a jet washer. We?ve got lots of textured paving slabs that are moss and fungus blackened and slippery, and don?t look as if anyone bothered to clean them before. Pointing mostly in good nick, so hopefully jet wash-proof. Any recommendations? Might even use it to clean the cars to save going to the Poles. The latter used to be good around here, but while the cost goes up, the standards seem to be slipping. I?ve put a Bosch AQT 42-13 at ?131.62 in my Amazon Prime basket, unless you folk advise otherwise.
>>>>> Off-list if you prefer, to nick at njware.co.uk
>>>>> Ta muchly,
>>>>> Nick.
>>>>> Sent from my iPad mini 5
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From rogerbunce at btinternet.com  Mon Nov 25 04:45:29 2019
From: rogerbunce at btinternet.com (ROGER BUNCE)
Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2019 10:45:29 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tech1] Is It Me Two?
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And from comedy - How do we feel about Sunday Night Drama?
I'm really enjoying the serialisation of "His Dark Materials". It's years since I read the book, but this adaptation seems true to the plot and characterisation. O.K. it's a bit dingy for my taste, but that seems to be the fashion with modern drama.
And this is followed by "The War of the Worlds" - which is rubbish! It's even longer since I read the book, but this is nothing like it. I was really looking forward to a version set in the real (i.e. fictional) locations and in the Edwardian period - yet somehow they've managed to ruin it. They've changed the plot; and the characters; totally failed to capture any sense of time or place; the peril is so relentless it has become monotonous (and, therefore, not perilous), and the characters are so annoying that I really wish they'd all hurry up and get killed! (Only Robert Carlyle's character is at all sympathetic - and now he has miraculously returned from the dead!) And it's even dingier!
I mean, how can you go wrong with "The War of the World" ?
1897 - H.G. Wells' original novel was ground-breaking for its time - and is still in print.1938 - Orson Welles' radio adaptation was ground-breaking for its time - and panicked America.1953 - George Pal's original film version was ground breaking for its time - and still looks pretty good.1978 - Jeff Wayne's concept album was ground-breaking for its time - and I still like it.2019 - And the BBC TV adaptation is rubbish, at a time when things could be done so well! (O.K. the 2005 Stephen Spielberg version wasn't much cop either!)
luv, Rog.
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From geoffletch at gmail.com  Mon Nov 25 07:30:47 2019
From: geoffletch at gmail.com (Geoff Fletcher)
Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2019 13:30:47 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Is It Me Two?
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Agree with you 100 per cent Rog.
Geoff F

On Mon, 25 Nov 2019 at 10:48, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
wrote:

> And from comedy - How do we feel about Sunday Night Drama?
>
> I'm really enjoying the serialisation of "His Dark Materials". It's years
> since I read the book, but this adaptation seems true to the plot and
> characterisation. O.K. it's a bit dingy for my taste, but that seems to be
> the fashion with modern drama.
>
> And this is followed by "The War of the Worlds" - which is rubbish! It's
> even longer since I read the book, but this is nothing like it. I was
> really looking forward to a version set in the real (i.e. fictional)
> locations and in the Edwardian period - yet somehow they've managed to ruin
> it. They've changed the plot; and the characters; totally failed to capture
> any sense of time or place; the peril is so relentless it has become
> monotonous (and, therefore, not perilous), and the characters are so
> annoying that I really wish they'd all hurry up and get killed! (Only
> Robert Carlyle's character is at all sympathetic - and now he has
> miraculously returned from the dead!) And it's even dingier!
>
> I mean, how can you go wrong with "The War of the World" ?
>
> 1897 - H.G. Wells' original novel was ground-breaking for its time - and
> is still in print.
> 1938 - Orson Welles' radio adaptation was ground-breaking for its time -
> and panicked America.
> 1953 - George Pal's original film version was ground breaking for its time
> - and still looks pretty good.
> 1978 - Jeff Wayne's concept album was ground-breaking for its time - and I
> still like it.
> 2019 - And the BBC TV adaptation is rubbish, at a time when things could
> be done so well! (O.K. the 2005 Stephen Spielberg version wasn't much cop
> either!)
>
> luv, Rog.
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From david.jasma at sky.com  Mon Nov 25 07:50:01 2019
From: david.jasma at sky.com (Dave Buckley)
Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2019 13:50:01 -0000
Subject: [Tech1] Karcher chigh pressure cleaners
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I bought one many years ago, and had some problems with it, in that a
particular bit of piping inside blew a hole in its wall a couple of times
and had to be replaced. However, even after carefully looking at an exploded
diagram to identify a spare, I found I had ordered the wrong part! After a
chat with Karcher spares, they admitted that there were actually three
versions of the part and after being given the correct part number I was
able to source a new one.

In the end the machine just stopped working - I suspect a burnt out motor -
so off the dump for recycling. The unit I subsequently bought is much
lighter and easier to handle. It also came with a flagstone/block paving
cleaning attachment, which I have yet to use properly (a quick run when I
first bought the machine showed that it certainly worked and removed the
grime from the stones).

Dave Buckley



From pat.heigham at amps.net  Mon Nov 25 08:16:45 2019
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2019 14:16:45 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Is It Me Two?
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Reading the crit by Deborah Ross in The Mail on Sunday?s Event magazine, in which she castigated ?War of the Worlds?, I began to dislike her!
However, having sat through Ep 2 last night, I agree with her that it?s not worth considering. I do prefer a dramatized version to stick closely to an original book, and was not keen on Spielberg shifting the setting to the USA. I was rather hoping for a visual version of Jeff Wayne?s concept album, which grows on you and is relentlessly effective in its storytelling.
If Earth was ever visited by beings from outer space, (let?s pretend in a peaceful mode), it would be fascinating to speculate on the different reception they might encounter depending on which continent and country landed upon. The result for ?Take me to your leader!? would vary with each monarch/president/dictator assuring them that they were the leader of the World! I?m sure that Asimov, Bradbury, Aldiss, Ballard or Clarke might have a take on that premise. 
Best
Pat
Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: ROGER BUNCE via Tech1
Sent: 25 November 2019 10:48
To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat
Subject: [Tech1] Is It Me Two? The different reception they might get

And from comedy - How do we feel about Sunday Night Drama?

I'm really enjoying the serialisation of "His Dark Materials". It's years since I read the book, but this adaptation seems true to the plot and characterisation. O.K. it's a bit dingy for my taste, but that seems to be the fashion with modern drama.

And this is followed by "The War of the Worlds" - which is rubbish! It's even longer since I read the book, but this is nothing like it. I was really looking forward to a version set in the real (i.e. fictional) locations and in the Edwardian period - yet somehow they've managed to ruin it. They've changed the plot; and the characters; totally failed to capture any sense of time or place; the peril is so relentless it has become monotonous (and, therefore, not perilous), and the characters are so annoying that I really wish they'd all hurry up and get killed! (Only Robert Carlyle's character is at all sympathetic - and now he has miraculously returned from the dead!) And it's even dingier!

I mean, how can you go wrong with "The War of the World" ?

1897 - H.G. Wells' original novel was ground-breaking for its time - and is still in print.
1938 - Orson Welles' radio adaptation was ground-breaking for its time - and panicked America.
1953 - George Pal's original film version was ground breaking for its time - and still looks pretty good.
1978 - Jeff Wayne's concept album was ground-breaking for its time - and I still like it.
2019 - And the BBC TV adaptation is rubbish, at a time when things could be done so well! (O.K. the 2005 Stephen Spielberg version wasn't much cop either!)

luv, Rog.

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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Mon Nov 25 08:26:50 2019
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2019 14:26:50 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Is It Me Two?
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Those of us who live here in the Borough of Woking will be happy to give 
guided tours of the roadworks, the endless new skyscrapers, our pet 
Martian,? the HG Wells statue and the soon-to-be demolished HG Wells 
Centre, the sands pits on Horsell Common, looking quite similar to the 
ones in the series, ending with a walk past the house at 141 Maybury 
Road where he wrote the book, to lunch at the famous Pizza Express.

Roll up, roll up.

B




On 25/11/2019 10:45, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 wrote:
> And from comedy - How do we feel about Sunday Night Drama?
>
> I'm really enjoying the serialisation of "His Dark Materials". It's 
> years since I read the book, but this adaptation seems true to the 
> plot and characterisation. O.K. it's a bit dingy for my taste, but 
> that seems to be the fashion with modern drama.
>
> And this is followed by "The War of the Worlds" - which is rubbish! 
> It's even longer since I read the book, but this is nothing like it. I 
> was really looking forward to a version set in the real (i.e. 
> fictional) locations and in the Edwardian period - yet somehow they've 
> managed to ruin it. They've changed the plot; and the characters; 
> totally failed to capture any sense of time or place; the peril is so 
> relentless it has become monotonous (and, therefore, not perilous), 
> and the characters are so annoying that I really wish they'd all hurry 
> up and get killed! (Only Robert Carlyle's character is at all 
> sympathetic - and now he has miraculously returned from the dead!) And 
> it's even dingier!
>
> I mean, how can you go wrong with "The War of the World" ?
>
> 1897 - H.G. Wells' original novel was ground-breaking for its time - 
> and is still in print.
> 1938 - Orson Welles' radio adaptation was ground-breaking for its time 
> - and panicked America.
> 1953 - George Pal's original film version was ground breaking for its 
> time - and still looks pretty good.
> 1978 - Jeff Wayne's concept album was ground-breaking for its time - 
> and I still like it.
> 2019 - And the BBC TV adaptation is rubbish, at a time when things 
> could be done so well! (O.K. the 2005 Stephen Spielberg version wasn't 
> much cop either!)
>
> luv, Rog.
>

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From graeme.wall at icloud.com  Mon Nov 25 09:15:00 2019
From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall)
Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2019 15:15:00 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Is It Me Two?
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IIRC Asimov?s take on that scenario is that aliens arrived in the Sherrif?s office in small town America.  The sherrif was suffering from a hang-over and told them to f off, so they left and put a quarantine zone round Earth.
? 
Graeme Wall


> On 25 Nov 2019, at 14:16, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Reading the crit by Deborah Ross in The Mail on Sunday?s Event magazine, in which she castigated ?War of the Worlds?, I began to dislike her!
> However, having sat through Ep 2 last night, I agree with her that it?s not worth considering. I do prefer a dramatized version to stick closely to an original book, and was not keen on Spielberg shifting the setting to the USA. I was rather hoping for a visual version of Jeff Wayne?s concept album, which grows on you and is relentlessly effective in its storytelling.
> If Earth was ever visited by beings from outer space, (let?s pretend in a peaceful mode), it would be fascinating to speculate on the different reception they might encounter depending on which continent and country landed upon. The result for ?Take me to your leader!? would vary with each monarch/president/dictator assuring them that theywere the leader of the World! I?m sure that Asimov, Bradbury, Aldiss, Ballard or Clarke might have a take on that premise. 
> Best
> Pat
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>  
> From: ROGER BUNCE via Tech1
> Sent: 25 November 2019 10:48
> To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat
> Subject: [Tech1] Is It Me Two? The different reception they might get
>  
> And from comedy - How do we feel about Sunday Night Drama?
>  
> I'm really enjoying the serialisation of "His Dark Materials". It's years since I read the book, but this adaptation seems true to the plot and characterisation. O.K. it's a bit dingy for my taste, but that seems to be the fashion with modern drama.
>  
> And this is followed by "The War of the Worlds" - which is rubbish! It's even longer since I read the book, but this is nothing like it. I was really looking forward to a version set in the real (i.e. fictional) locations and in the Edwardian period - yet somehow they've managed to ruin it. They've changed the plot; and the characters; totally failed to capture any sense of time or place; the peril is so relentless it has become monotonous (and, therefore, not perilous), and the characters are so annoying that I really wish they'd all hurry up and get killed! (Only Robert Carlyle's character is at all sympathetic - and now he has miraculously returned from the dead!) And it's even dingier!
>  
> I mean, how can you go wrong with "The War of the World" ?
>  
> 1897 - H.G. Wells' original novel was ground-breaking for its time - and is still in print.
> 1938 - Orson Welles' radio adaptation was ground-breaking for its time - and panicked America.
> 1953 - George Pal's original film version was ground breaking for its time - and still looks pretty good.
> 1978 - Jeff Wayne's concept album was ground-breaking for its time - and I still like it.
> 2019 - And the BBC TV adaptation is rubbish, at a time when things could be done so well! (O.K. the 2005 Stephen Spielberg version wasn't much cop either!)
>  
> luv, Rog.
>  
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From waresound at msn.com  Mon Nov 25 09:42:27 2019
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2019 15:42:27 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Is It Me Two?
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We used to take the kids to the Woking Pizza Express after the Christmas panto at the Peacock Theatre. Didn?t realise the risk we were taking.

One good thing about His Dark Materials: it?s in 16x9. Shame about distracting wobblycam. I don?t mind the dinge, it?s quite moody (whether or not that?s a good thing?).
War of the Worlds doesn?t fit my TV screen, so is a non-starter for me. Will they ever get over that letterbox gimmick? It?s a TV programme, ffs. I do have a soft spot for pregnant Demelza though, even with the top of her head cut off in close-ups - she?ll always be Demelza to me. The Martian Christmas puddings in the mud are a joke, as are the tripods. I just wish they had six legs, then I could come to terms with them as giant Martian spiders. That way, you?d have to shoot them in four legs before they fell over instead of just one. But then again, that might string it out more than three episodes, and we wouldn?t want that, would we?
Cheers,
Nick.
Sent from my iPad mini 5

On 25 Nov 2019, at 14:27, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

?
Those of us who live here in the Borough of Woking will be happy to give guided tours of the roadworks, the endless new skyscrapers, our pet Martian,  the HG Wells statue and the soon-to-be demolished HG Wells Centre, the sands pits on Horsell Common, looking quite similar to the ones in the series, ending with a walk past the house at 141 Maybury Road where he wrote the book, to lunch at the famous Pizza Express.

Roll up, roll up.

B

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On 25/11/2019 10:45, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 wrote:
And from comedy - How do we feel about Sunday Night Drama?

I'm really enjoying the serialisation of "His Dark Materials". It's years since I read the book, but this adaptation seems true to the plot and characterisation. O.K. it's a bit dingy for my taste, but that seems to be the fashion with modern drama.

And this is followed by "The War of the Worlds" - which is rubbish! It's even longer since I read the book, but this is nothing like it. I was really looking forward to a version set in the real (i.e. fictional) locations and in the Edwardian period - yet somehow they've managed to ruin it. They've changed the plot; and the characters; totally failed to capture any sense of time or place; the peril is so relentless it has become monotonous (and, therefore, not perilous), and the characters are so annoying that I really wish they'd all hurry up and get killed! (Only Robert Carlyle's character is at all sympathetic - and now he has miraculously returned from the dead!) And it's even dingier!

I mean, how can you go wrong with "The War of the World" ?

1897 - H.G. Wells' original novel was ground-breaking for its time - and is still in print.
1938 - Orson Welles' radio adaptation was ground-breaking for its time - and panicked America.
1953 - George Pal's original film version was ground breaking for its time - and still looks pretty good.
1978 - Jeff Wayne's concept album was ground-breaking for its time - and I still like it.
2019 - And the BBC TV adaptation is rubbish, at a time when things could be done so well! (O.K. the 2005 Stephen Spielberg version wasn't much cop either!)

luv, Rog.



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From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com  Mon Nov 25 09:53:25 2019
From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray)
Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2019 15:53:25 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] The BBC Letters to me during my search for a first job
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Hi all,

I opened a box marked "filing" today, as part of trying got sort out the 
house after some extension work, and found some items that I had totally 
forgotten about!

These are some letters from the BBC during my application to become a 
TO? (sorry, there are no copies of the letters from me to the BBC!!);? 
These letters include:

1 - Vacancies?? - No vacancies at the moment ..

2 - First Interview - invitation for an interview.? This was actually 
for a film cameraman position, but it turned out that it was for a NEWS 
cameraman.? I was not interested in, nor indeed suited to, that sort of 
job, and the interviewer,?? Mr Dunhill - who was very nice and put me at 
my ease - suggested that I try BBC Engineering - Television!! - as they 
were recruiting.

3 - Invitation to a Board Interview for a BBC Engineering- Technical 
Operator - position

4 - Board Interview Acknowledgement

5 - Offer - did I want to become a BBC Technical Operator??? The 
redacted passage states that the offer was subject to the results of 
examinations, when known,? but I had already presented the main results.

 ?Yes,? I did want to become a BBC Technical Operator ...

6 - Admittance TO.pdf

In this last letter - note:

"... Will you please note that the induction
course will now last for three days and not one
week as stated in my letter of 28th November..."

which explains why I never had some of the experiences that many of you 
had on Induction at the BBC, why I was a bit adrift on my first day in 
the Studios - and why I was always sure that I worked on the _second_ 
episode of "The Chem Lab Mystery" on my first day in the Studios (LG "E" 
to be specific, with Mike Bond!)

I had clean forgotten that my induction was just three days!

Enjoy - well some future historians might !


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From paulvictork at uwclub.net  Mon Nov 25 14:27:29 2019
From: paulvictork at uwclub.net (paulvictork at uwclub.net)
Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2019 20:27:29 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Is It Me Two?
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&nbsp;


On Mon, 25 Nov 2019 10:45:29 +0000 (UTC), ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 &lt;tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk&gt; wrote:
&nbsp;










And from comedy - How do we feel about Sunday Night Drama?

&nbsp;

I'm really enjoying the serialisation of "His Dark Materials". It's years since I read the book, but this adaptation seems true to the plot and characterisation. O.K. it's a bit dingy for my taste, but that seems to be the fashion with modern drama.

&nbsp;

And this is followed by "The War of the Worlds" - which is rubbish! It's even longer since I read the book, but this is nothing like it. I was really looking forward to a version set in the real (i.e. fictional) locations and in the Edwardian period - yet somehow they've managed to ruin it. They've changed the plot; and the characters; totally failed to capture any sense of time or place; the peril is so relentless it has become monotonous (and, therefore, not perilous), and the characters are so annoying that I really wish they'd all hurry up and get killed! (Only Robert Carlyle's character is at all sympathetic - and now he has miraculously returned from the dead!) And it's even dingier!


Yes they did!!

I mean, how can you go wrong with "The War of the World" ?

&nbsp;

1897 - H.G. Wells' original novel was ground-breaking for its time - and is still in print.

1938 - Orson Welles' radio adaptation was ground-breaking for its time - and panicked America.

1953 - George Pal's original film version was ground breaking for its time - and still looks pretty good.

1978 - Jeff Wayne's concept album was ground-breaking for its time - and I still like it.

2019 - And the BBC TV adaptation is rubbish, at a time when things could be done so well! (O.K. the 2005 Stephen Spielberg version wasn't much cop either!)

&nbsp;

luv, Rog.










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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Tue Nov 26 04:17:13 2019
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2019 10:17:13 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Found
Message-ID: <CAA7MLyFqHyFWix2N4j=M7-TLC+LP4gC4LxzxAU5msO5z-sfC0A@mail.gmail.com>

In the shelter on West Byfleet platform
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From rogerbunce at btinternet.com  Tue Nov 26 04:25:43 2019
From: rogerbunce at btinternet.com (ROGER BUNCE)
Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2019 10:25:43 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tech1] Is It Me Two?
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 Spiders have eight legs, silly, not six! (Not necessarily true of Martian spiders, of course, but wouldn't we call them Martian insects?) Anyway, Spiders from Mars is more David Bowie than Jeff Wayne.
I've never quite worked out how a three-legged thing would walk. I think H.G. Wells said they moved like a three-legged stool which had been spun across the floor. I can see that: the whole base section rotating, only one leg on the ground at any one time. Meanwhile. Triffids (also three-legged) are supposed to have walked like a man on crutches, which would also make sense. But none of the filmic Tripods have convinced me. They don't look as though the legs are supporting their weight.
luv, Rog.

    On Monday, 25 November 2019, 15:43:02 GMT, Nick Ware via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:  
 
 We used to take the kids to the Woking Pizza Express after the Christmas panto at the Peacock Theatre. Didn?t realise the risk we were taking.
One good thing about His Dark Materials: it?s in 16x9. Shame about distracting wobblycam. I don?t mind the dinge, it?s quite moody (whether or not that?s a good thing?).War of the Worlds doesn?t fit my TV screen, so is a non-starter for me. Will they ever get over that letterbox gimmick? It?s a TV programme, ffs. I do have a soft spot for pregnant Demelza though, even with the top of her head cut off in close-ups - she?ll always be Demelza to me. The Martian Christmas puddings in the mud are a joke, as are the tripods. I just wish they had six legs, then I could come to terms with them as giant Martian spiders. That way, you?d have to shoot them in four legs before they fell over instead of just one. But then again, that might string it out more than three episodes, and we wouldn?t want that, would we?Cheers,Nick.
Sent from my iPad mini 5


On 25 Nov 2019, at 14:27, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:



? 
Those of us who live here in the Borough of Woking will be happy to give guided tours of the roadworks, the endless new skyscrapers, our pet Martian,? the HG Wells statue and the soon-to-be demolished HG Wells Centre, the sands pits on Horsell Common, looking quite similar to the ones in the series, ending with a walk past the house at 141 Maybury Road where he wrote the book, to lunch at the famous Pizza Express.

Roll up, roll up.

B


?

On 25/11/2019 10:45, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 wrote:

And from comedy - How do we feel about Sunday Night Drama?
I'm really enjoying the serialisation of "His Dark Materials". It's years since I read the book, but this adaptation seems true to the plot and characterisation. O.K. it's a bit dingy for my taste, but that seems to be the fashion with modern drama.
And this is followed by "The War of the Worlds" - which is rubbish! It's even longer since I read the book, but this is nothing like it. I was really looking forward to a version set in the real (i.e. fictional) locations and in the Edwardian period - yet somehow they've managed to ruin it. They've changed the plot; and the characters; totally failed to capture any sense of time or place; the peril is so relentless it has become monotonous (and, therefore, not perilous), and the characters are so annoying that I really wish they'd all hurry up and get killed! (Only Robert Carlyle's character is at all sympathetic - and now he has miraculously returned from the dead!) And it's even dingier!
I mean, how can you go wrong with "The War of the World" ?
1897 - H.G. Wells' original novel was ground-breaking for its time - and is still in print.1938 - Orson Welles' radio adaptation was ground-breaking for its time - and panicked America.1953 - George Pal's original film version was ground breaking for its time - and still looks pretty good.1978 - Jeff Wayne's concept album was ground-breaking for its time - and I still like it.2019 - And the BBC TV adaptation is rubbish, at a time when things could be done so well! (O.K. the 2005 Stephen Spielberg version wasn't much cop either!)
luv, Rog.
 

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From rogerbunce at btinternet.com  Tue Nov 26 04:39:08 2019
From: rogerbunce at btinternet.com (ROGER BUNCE)
Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2019 10:39:08 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tech1] Is It Me Two?
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 Is their really an 'Oriental College', complete with mosque, between Horsell Common and Maybury Hill? It is supposed to have protected our hero's home from the heat ray - until it was destroyed - at which point our un-named hero set off for Leatherhead. Or has it become a branch of B&Q?
luv, Rog.
    On Monday, 25 November 2019, 14:27:25 GMT, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:  
 
  
 Those of us who live here in the Borough of Woking will be happy to give guided tours of the roadworks, the endless new skyscrapers, our pet Martian,? the HG Wells statue and the soon-to-be demolished HG Wells Centre, the sands pits on Horsell Common, looking quite similar to the ones in the series, ending with a walk past the house at 141 Maybury Road where he wrote the book, to lunch at the famous Pizza Express. 
 
 Roll up, roll up.
 
 B
 
 
 ?
 
 On 25/11/2019 10:45, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 wrote:
  
 
          And from comedy - How do we feel about Sunday Night Drama? 
  I'm really enjoying the serialisation of "His Dark Materials". It's years since I read the book, but this  adaptation seems true to the plot and characterisation. O.K. it's a bit dingy for my taste, but that seems to be the fashion with modern drama. 
  And this is followed by "The War of the Worlds" - which is rubbish! It's even longer since I read the book, but this  is nothing like it. I was really looking forward to a version set in the real (i.e. fictional) locations and in the Edwardian period - yet somehow they've managed to ruin it. They've changed the plot; and the  characters; totally failed to capture any sense of time or place; the peril is so relentless it has become monotonous (and, therefore, not perilous), and the characters are so annoying that I really wish they'd  all hurry up and get killed! (Only Robert Carlyle's character is at all sympathetic - and now he has miraculously returned from the dead!) And it's even dingier! 
  I mean, how can you go wrong with "The War of the World" ? 
  1897 - H.G. Wells' original novel was ground-breaking for its time - and is still in print. 1938 - Orson Welles' radio adaptation was ground-breaking for its time - and panicked America. 1953 - George Pal's original film version was ground breaking for its time - and still looks pretty good. 1978 - Jeff Wayne's concept album was ground-breaking for its time - and I still like it. 2019 - And the BBC TV adaptation is rubbish, at a time when things could be done so well! (O.K. the 2005  Stephen Spielberg version wasn't much cop either!) 
  luv, Rog.           
  
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From alawrance1 at me.com  Tue Nov 26 04:45:52 2019
From: alawrance1 at me.com (Alasdair Lawrance)
Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2019 10:45:52 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Is It Me Two?
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Rog et al - 

WoW is an allegory, not a documentary.....!

Alasdair Lawrance

Don?t blame me, I voted Remain.



> On 26 Nov 2019, at 10:34, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Spiders have eight legs, silly, not six! (Not necessarily true of Martian spiders, of course, but wouldn't we call them Martian insects?) Anyway, Spiders from Mars is more David Bowie than Jeff Wayne.
> 
> I've never quite worked out how a three-legged thing would walk. I think H.G. Wells said they moved like a three-legged stool which had been spun across the floor. I can see that: the whole base section rotating, only one leg on the ground at any one time. Meanwhile. Triffids (also three-legged) are supposed to have walked like a man on crutches, which would also make sense. But none of the filmic Tripods have convinced me. They don't look as though the legs are supporting their weight.
> 
> luv, Rog.
> 
> 
>> On Monday, 25 November 2019, 15:43:02 GMT, Nick Ware via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> We used to take the kids to the Woking Pizza Express after the Christmas panto at the Peacock Theatre. Didn?t realise the risk we were taking.
>> 
>> One good thing about His Dark Materials: it?s in 16x9. Shame about distracting wobblycam. I don?t mind the dinge, it?s quite moody (whether or not that?s a good thing?).
>> War of the Worlds doesn?t fit my TV screen, so is a non-starter for me. Will they ever get over that letterbox gimmick? It?s a TV programme, ffs. I do have a soft spot for pregnant Demelza though, even with the top of her head cut off in close-ups - she?ll always be Demelza to me. The Martian Christmas puddings in the mud are a joke, as are the tripods. I just wish they had six legs, then I could come to terms with them as giant Martian spiders. That way, you?d have to shoot them in four legs before they fell over instead of just one. But then again, that might string it out more than three episodes, and we wouldn?t want that, would we?
>> Cheers,
>> Nick.
>> Sent from my iPad mini 5
>> 
>> On 25 Nov 2019, at 14:27, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
> 
>> ? 
>> Those of us who live here in the Borough of Woking will be happy to give guided tours of the roadworks, the endless new skyscrapers, our pet Martian,  the HG Wells statue and the soon-to-be demolished HG Wells Centre, the sands pits on Horsell Common, looking quite similar to the ones in the series, ending with a walk past the house at 141 Maybury Road where he wrote the book, to lunch at the famous Pizza Express. 
>> 
>> Roll up, roll up.
>> 
>> B
>> 
>> <enfmebkladbafejn.png>
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>> On 25/11/2019 10:45, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 wrote:
>>> And from comedy - How do we feel about Sunday Night Drama?
>>> 
>>> I'm really enjoying the serialisation of "His Dark Materials". It's years since I read the book, but this adaptation seems true to the plot and characterisation. O.K. it's a bit dingy for my taste, but that seems to be the fashion with modern drama.
>>> 
>>> And this is followed by "The War of the Worlds" - which is rubbish! It's even longer since I read the book, but this is nothing like it. I was really looking forward to a version set in the real (i.e. fictional) locations and in the Edwardian period - yet somehow they've managed to ruin it. They've changed the plot; and the characters; totally failed to capture any sense of time or place; the peril is so relentless it has become monotonous (and, therefore, not perilous), and the characters are so annoying that I really wish they'd all hurry up and get killed! (Only Robert Carlyle's character is at all sympathetic - and now he has miraculously returned from the dead!) And it's even dingier!
>>> 
>>> I mean, how can you go wrong with "The War of the World" ?
>>> 
>>> 1897 - H.G. Wells' original novel was ground-breaking for its time - and is still in print.
>>> 1938 - Orson Welles' radio adaptation was ground-breaking for its time - and panicked America.
>>> 1953 - George Pal's original film version was ground breaking for its time - and still looks pretty good.
>>> 1978 - Jeff Wayne's concept album was ground-breaking for its time - and I still like it.
>>> 2019 - And the BBC TV adaptation is rubbish, at a time when things could be done so well! (O.K. the 2005 Stephen Spielberg version wasn't much cop either!)
>>> 
>>> luv, Rog.
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Tue Nov 26 05:30:34 2019
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2019 11:30:34 +0000
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Probably the George Pal Martians fly because it was much easier to animate

On Tue, 26 Nov 2019, 10:34 ROGER BUNCE via Tech1, <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
wrote:

> Spiders have eight legs, silly, not six! (Not necessarily true of Martian
> spiders, of course, but wouldn't we call them Martian insects?) Anyway,
> Spiders from Mars is more David Bowie than Jeff Wayne.
>
> I've never quite worked out how a three-legged thing would walk. I think
> H.G. Wells said they moved like a three-legged stool which had been spun
> across the floor. I can see that: the whole base section rotating, only one
> leg on the ground at any one time. Meanwhile. Triffids (also three-legged)
> are supposed to have walked like a man on crutches, which would also make
> sense. But none of the filmic Tripods have convinced me. They don't look as
> though the legs are supporting their weight.
>
> luv, Rog.
>
>
> On Monday, 25 November 2019, 15:43:02 GMT, Nick Ware via Tech1 <
> tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>
>
> We used to take the kids to the Woking Pizza Express after the Christmas
> panto at the Peacock Theatre. Didn?t realise the risk we were taking.
>
> One good thing about His Dark Materials: it?s in 16x9. Shame about
> distracting wobblycam. I don?t mind the dinge, it?s quite moody (whether or
> not that?s a good thing?).
> War of the Worlds doesn?t fit my TV screen, so is a non-starter for me.
> Will they ever get over that letterbox gimmick? It?s a TV programme, ffs. I
> do have a soft spot for pregnant Demelza though, even with the top of her
> head cut off in close-ups - she?ll always be Demelza to me. The Martian
> Christmas puddings in the mud are a joke, as are the tripods. I just wish
> they had six legs, then I could come to terms with them as giant Martian
> spiders. That way, you?d have to shoot them in four legs before they fell
> over instead of just one. But then again, that might string it out more
> than three episodes, and we wouldn?t want that, would we?
> Cheers,
> Nick.
> Sent from my iPad mini 5
>
> On 25 Nov 2019, at 14:27, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
> ?
> Those of us who live here in the Borough of Woking will be happy to give
> guided tours of the roadworks, the endless new skyscrapers, our pet
> Martian,  the HG Wells statue and the soon-to-be demolished HG Wells
> Centre, the sands pits on Horsell Common, looking quite similar to the ones
> in the series, ending with a walk past the house at 141 Maybury Road where
> he wrote the book, to lunch at the famous Pizza Express.
>
> Roll up, roll up.
>
> B
>
>
>
>
> On 25/11/2019 10:45, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 wrote:
>
> And from comedy - How do we feel about Sunday Night Drama?
>
> I'm really enjoying the serialisation of "His Dark Materials". It's years
> since I read the book, but this adaptation seems true to the plot and
> characterisation. O.K. it's a bit dingy for my taste, but that seems to be
> the fashion with modern drama.
>
> And this is followed by "The War of the Worlds" - which is rubbish! It's
> even longer since I read the book, but this is nothing like it. I was
> really looking forward to a version set in the real (i.e. fictional)
> locations and in the Edwardian period - yet somehow they've managed to ruin
> it. They've changed the plot; and the characters; totally failed to capture
> any sense of time or place; the peril is so relentless it has become
> monotonous (and, therefore, not perilous), and the characters are so
> annoying that I really wish they'd all hurry up and get killed! (Only
> Robert Carlyle's character is at all sympathetic - and now he has
> miraculously returned from the dead!) And it's even dingier!
>
> I mean, how can you go wrong with "The War of the World" ?
>
> 1897 - H.G. Wells' original novel was ground-breaking for its time - and
> is still in print.
> 1938 - Orson Welles' radio adaptation was ground-breaking for its time -
> and panicked America.
> 1953 - George Pal's original film version was ground breaking for its time
> - and still looks pretty good.
> 1978 - Jeff Wayne's concept album was ground-breaking for its time - and I
> still like it.
> 2019 - And the BBC TV adaptation is rubbish, at a time when things could
> be done so well! (O.K. the 2005 Stephen Spielberg version wasn't much cop
> either!)
>
> luv, Rog.
>
>
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From rogerbunce at btinternet.com  Tue Nov 26 07:53:51 2019
From: rogerbunce at btinternet.com (ROGER BUNCE)
Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2019 13:53:51 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tech1] Is It Me Two?
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 Except for the Orson Welles version, which was presented as a live documentary - hence the panic.
luv, Rog.

    On Tuesday, 26 November 2019, 10:46:00 GMT, Alasdair Lawrance <alawrance1 at me.com> wrote:  
 
 Rog et al -?
WoW is an allegory, not a documentary.....!

Alasdair Lawrance
Don?t blame me, I voted Remain.




On 26 Nov 2019, at 10:34, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:



? Spiders have eight legs, silly, not six! (Not necessarily true of Martian spiders, of course, but wouldn't we call them Martian insects?) Anyway, Spiders from Mars is more David Bowie than Jeff Wayne.
I've never quite worked out how a three-legged thing would walk. I think H.G. Wells said they moved like a three-legged stool which had been spun across the floor. I can see that: the whole base section rotating, only one leg on the ground at any one time. Meanwhile. Triffids (also three-legged) are supposed to have walked like a man on crutches, which would also make sense. But none of the filmic Tripods have convinced me. They don't look as though the legs are supporting their weight.
luv, Rog.

    On Monday, 25 November 2019, 15:43:02 GMT, Nick Ware via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:  
 
 We used to take the kids to the Woking Pizza Express after the Christmas panto at the Peacock Theatre. Didn?t realise the risk we were taking.
One good thing about His Dark Materials: it?s in 16x9. Shame about distracting wobblycam. I don?t mind the dinge, it?s quite moody (whether or not that?s a good thing?).War of the Worlds doesn?t fit my TV screen, so is a non-starter for me. Will they ever get over that letterbox gimmick? It?s a TV programme, ffs. I do have a soft spot for pregnant Demelza though, even with the top of her head cut off in close-ups - she?ll always be Demelza to me. The Martian Christmas puddings in the mud are a joke, as are the tripods. I just wish they had six legs, then I could come to terms with them as giant Martian spiders. That way, you?d have to shoot them in four legs before they fell over instead of just one. But then again, that might string it out more than three episodes, and we wouldn?t want that, would we?Cheers,Nick.
Sent from my iPad mini 5


On 25 Nov 2019, at 14:27, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:



? 
Those of us who live here in the Borough of Woking will be happy to give guided tours of the roadworks, the endless new skyscrapers, our pet Martian,? the HG Wells statue and the soon-to-be demolished HG Wells Centre, the sands pits on Horsell Common, looking quite similar to the ones in the series, ending with a walk past the house at 141 Maybury Road where he wrote the book, to lunch at the famous Pizza Express.

Roll up, roll up.

B

<enfmebkladbafejn.png>
?

On 25/11/2019 10:45, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 wrote:

And from comedy - How do we feel about Sunday Night Drama?
I'm really enjoying the serialisation of "His Dark Materials". It's years since I read the book, but this adaptation seems true to the plot and characterisation. O.K. it's a bit dingy for my taste, but that seems to be the fashion with modern drama.
And this is followed by "The War of the Worlds" - which is rubbish! It's even longer since I read the book, but this is nothing like it. I was really looking forward to a version set in the real (i.e. fictional) locations and in the Edwardian period - yet somehow they've managed to ruin it. They've changed the plot; and the characters; totally failed to capture any sense of time or place; the peril is so relentless it has become monotonous (and, therefore, not perilous), and the characters are so annoying that I really wish they'd all hurry up and get killed! (Only Robert Carlyle's character is at all sympathetic - and now he has miraculously returned from the dead!) And it's even dingier!
I mean, how can you go wrong with "The War of the World" ?
1897 - H.G. Wells' original novel was ground-breaking for its time - and is still in print.1938 - Orson Welles' radio adaptation was ground-breaking for its time - and panicked America.1953 - George Pal's original film version was ground breaking for its time - and still looks pretty good.1978 - Jeff Wayne's concept album was ground-breaking for its time - and I still like it.2019 - And the BBC TV adaptation is rubbish, at a time when things could be done so well! (O.K. the 2005 Stephen Spielberg version wasn't much cop either!)
luv, Rog.
 

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From peter.fox at zero51.force9.co.uk  Tue Nov 26 09:52:30 2019
From: peter.fox at zero51.force9.co.uk (Peter Fox)
Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2019 15:52:30 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Found
In-Reply-To: <CAA7MLyFqHyFWix2N4j=M7-TLC+LP4gC4LxzxAU5msO5z-sfC0A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAA7MLyFqHyFWix2N4j=M7-TLC+LP4gC4LxzxAU5msO5z-sfC0A@mail.gmail.com>
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Left over from rush hour. There?s often a bit of a squash in the morning

Peter Fox

> On 26 Nov 2019, at 10:18, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?
> In the shelter on West Byfleet platform
> <IMG_20191126_101624.jpg>
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Tue Nov 26 10:27:56 2019
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2019 16:27:56 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Found
In-Reply-To: <CAA7MLyFqHyFWix2N4j=M7-TLC+LP4gC4LxzxAU5msO5z-sfC0A@mail.gmail.com>
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Does Ester Ransom frequent that station? (Funny Vegetables some time ago on her programme)
Pat


Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Bernard Newnham via Tech1
Sent: 26 November 2019 10:17
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: [Tech1] Found

In the shelter on West Byfleet platform

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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Tue Nov 26 10:45:08 2019
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2019 16:45:08 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] TV Licence scam
Message-ID: <5ddd5693.1c69fb81.b2d5b.3439@mx.google.com>

Thanks to those who flagged up the TV Licence payment scam.
I received the spoof e-mail regarding Direct Debit supposed miss payment, but as I too have a free one, instantly deleted.
Two days later, via conventional post, I received the hardcopy licence, free until May 2020.
Pat

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From waresound at msn.com  Tue Nov 26 13:14:56 2019
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2019 19:14:56 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Found
In-Reply-To: <5ddd528b.1c69fb81.5aceb.132c@mx.google.com>
References: <CAA7MLyFqHyFWix2N4j=M7-TLC+LP4gC4LxzxAU5msO5z-sfC0A@mail.gmail.com>,
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Dame Esther Rantzen, to you.
N.
[cid:37158591-42E3-4C1F-B01E-1E1A657BE16B-L0-001][cid:75E8F4E1-9FBF-4BC2-A032-0495C75CCD0D-L0-001]
Here are two I grew earlier this year.
Sent from my iPad mini 5

On 26 Nov 2019, at 16:28, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

?
Does Ester Ransom frequent that station? (Funny Vegetables some time ago on her programme)
Pat


Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10

From: Bernard Newnham via Tech1<mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
Sent: 26 November 2019 10:17
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk<mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
Subject: [Tech1] Found

In the shelter on West Byfleet platform

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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Tue Nov 26 17:30:41 2019
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2019 23:30:41 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Neighbours
Message-ID: <4c62cfc9-d0d1-d49b-7adf-ec0ed15cb5d6@btinternet.com>

My young neighbours both work in the banking world and have two young 
daughters of 4 and 2. They bought the other half of our semi. and 
immediately ripped out a state of the art kitchen and installed another 
one but hardly ever used it, cooking all the meat etc. on a barbecue 
outside, even in the pouring rain! They have a live-in nanny for the 
girls and a cleaner once a week. They moved out last Friday having sold 
the house in February but legal problems slowed things down. They have 
moved to a detached house (picture attached). Where did I go wrong? 
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From mibridge at mac.com  Tue Nov 26 17:56:18 2019
From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles)
Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2019 23:56:18 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Neighbours
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I blame SatNav!

Mike G

> On 26 Nov 2019, at 23:31, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?My young neighbours both work in the banking world and have two young daughters of 4 and 2. They bought the other half of our semi. and immediately ripped out a state of the art kitchen and installed another one but hardly ever used it, cooking all the meat etc. on a barbecue outside, even in the pouring rain! They have a live-in nanny for the girls and a cleaner once a week. They moved out last Friday having sold the house in February but legal problems slowed things down. They have moved to a detached house (picture attached). Where did I go wrong? Cheers, Dave
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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Wed Nov 27 03:11:23 2019
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2019 09:11:23 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Neighbours
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I thought you OB chaps lived on expenses

On Tue, 26 Nov 2019, 23:31 dave.mdv via Tech1, <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

> My young neighbours both work in the banking world and have two young
> daughters of 4 and 2. They bought the other half of our semi. and
> immediately ripped out a state of the art kitchen and installed another
> one but hardly ever used it, cooking all the meat etc. on a barbecue
> outside, even in the pouring rain! They have a live-in nanny for the
> girls and a cleaner once a week. They moved out last Friday having sold
> the house in February but legal problems slowed things down. They have
> moved to a detached house (picture attached). Where did I go wrong?
> Cheers, Dave
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From rogerbunce at btinternet.com  Wed Nov 27 04:02:27 2019
From: rogerbunce at btinternet.com (ROGER BUNCE)
Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2019 10:02:27 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tech1] Neighbours
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 You worked for the BBC!
Fetcham has evidently gone up in the world.?My wife was born their at the end of the war.Their home was a single-decker bus, parked in a field.The family had been evacuated there.Her older brother went to the local school (Strand School, which had also been evacuated to Effingham nearby). The headmaster, Mr. Dawe, was a noted crossword compiler, for the Daily Telegraph. He was particularly noted for compiling THOSE crosswords, the ones whose solutions included most of the D-Day codewords - and triggered a security alert. Apparently he was in the habit of getting schoolboys to fill words into a blank crossword grid, then he would work out the clues.The boys from the school mixed with the Anerican & Canadian soldiers who had a base nearby & where security was lax and this is where they heard the D day landing codes.Pat?s father worked for the Canadian Army.Pat?s mother, who worked in a munitions factory nearby (war work) told Pat that she remembered waking up one morning. All the troops had gone.Pat?s father took his van & collected huge tins of jam from the base & distributed it amongst the families living in the field. The first proper jam they?d had in years.Luv Rog


    On Tuesday, 26 November 2019, 23:31:15 GMT, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:  
 
 My young neighbours both work in the banking world and have two young 
daughters of 4 and 2. They bought the other half of our semi. and 
immediately ripped out a state of the art kitchen and installed another 
one but hardly ever used it, cooking all the meat etc. on a barbecue 
outside, even in the pouring rain! They have a live-in nanny for the 
girls and a cleaner once a week. They moved out last Friday having sold 
the house in February but legal problems slowed things down. They have 
moved to a detached house (picture attached). Where did I go wrong? 
Cheers, Dave
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From robin.sutherland at ukgateway.net  Wed Nov 27 04:14:38 2019
From: robin.sutherland at ukgateway.net (Robin Sutherland)
Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2019 10:14:38 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Neighbours
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Bernie, we had allowances not expenses.

Robin S

> On 27 Nov 2019, at 09:11, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> I thought you OB chaps lived on expenses
> 
> On Tue, 26 Nov 2019, 23:31 dave.mdv via Tech1, <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:
> My young neighbours both work in the banking world and have two young 
> daughters of 4 and 2. They bought the other half of our semi. and 
> immediately ripped out a state of the art kitchen and installed another 
> one but hardly ever used it, cooking all the meat etc. on a barbecue 
> outside, even in the pouring rain! They have a live-in nanny for the 
> girls and a cleaner once a week. They moved out last Friday having sold 
> the house in February but legal problems slowed things down. They have 
> moved to a detached house (picture attached). Where did I go wrong? 
> Cheers, Dave
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From robert.miles at soundsuper.co.uk  Wed Nov 27 09:56:02 2019
From: robert.miles at soundsuper.co.uk (Robert Miles)
Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2019 11:56:02 -0400
Subject: [Tech1] Congratulations
Message-ID: <a7n7dkn764cnhhjsb0ep6vko.1574870080415@email.android.com>

Many congratulations to Mike McCarthy for his RTS Lifetime Achievement Award 

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From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net  Wed Nov 27 12:46:41 2019
From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt)
Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2019 18:46:41 -0000
Subject: [Tech1] Congratulations
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Delighted to hear this award going to such a nice guy. When I think of him I see Two Ronnies, Dad?s Army etc but even stronger is my recollection of his his doughty VW Campervan!

Well done Mike,

Dave Newbitt.

From: Robert Miles via Tech1 
Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2019 3:56 PM
To: Robin Sutherland via Tech1 
Subject: [Tech1] Congratulations

Many congratulations to Mike McCarthy for his RTS Lifetime Achievement Award 

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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Wed Nov 27 13:38:58 2019
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2019 19:38:58 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Congratulations
In-Reply-To: <304558D3D0C14ACAA9B39F3D4CC22483@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>
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Hear, hear! I bought an Austin A40 Farina from Mike many years ago for 
?50! It served us very well for many years, even towing a clapped out 
Ford Corsair from Frithville Gardens all the way to Surrey when the damn 
thing wouldn't start because of the snow and ice! A well deserved award 
for a thoroughly nice guy. Cheers, Dave


From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net  Wed Nov 27 13:46:58 2019
From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt)
Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2019 19:46:58 -0000
Subject: [Tech1] Congratulations
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Faulty brain connections showing again ? I meant ?It ain?t half hot Mum? not Dad?s Army. Had the right show in my mind?s eye but put the wrong title to it!

Dave Newbitt.

From: David Newbitt via Tech1 
Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2019 6:46 PM
To: Robert Miles ; Robin Sutherland via Tech1 
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Congratulations

Delighted to hear this award going to such a nice guy. When I think of him I see Two Ronnies, Dad?s Army etc but even stronger is my recollection of his his doughty VW Campervan!

Well done Mike,

Dave Newbitt.

From: Robert Miles via Tech1 
Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2019 3:56 PM
To: Robin Sutherland via Tech1 
Subject: [Tech1] Congratulations

Many congratulations to Mike McCarthy for his RTS Lifetime Achievement Award 

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From rogerbunce at btinternet.com  Wed Nov 27 15:00:23 2019
From: rogerbunce at btinternet.com (ROGER BUNCE)
Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2019 21:00:23 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tech1] Jonathan Miller
References: <268082424.11191469.1574888423586.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
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The late Jonathan Miller was noted as an intellectual and a polymath.Now it can be revealed who it was that explained all that stuff to him.

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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Wed Nov 27 16:53:13 2019
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2019 22:53:13 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Jonathan Miller
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Another piece of sad news today together with Clive James and Gary 
Rhodes - put this date in your diary and stay in bed all day in future. 
Dr.JM was reputed to have saved Alan Bennet's life on the operating 
table, another of my favourite funny men. 'Beyond the Fringe' is still 
one of my favourite LPs. The TV show was almost as good but, like the 
Goon Show, sound only stuff allows you to make the pictures up yourself 
which no camera can do, sorry chaps! Cheers, Dave. PS. Well done Pete, I 
didn't know you were so influential in the comedy world!


From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Wed Nov 27 16:55:40 2019
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2019 22:55:40 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Re. Foxey and Miller
Message-ID: <0ec53d3d-de44-63e0-21c0-77c4ec927f3f@btinternet.com>

PPS.  ....who was the lazy boom op.? Cheers, Dave


From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net  Wed Nov 27 17:01:59 2019
From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt)
Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2019 23:01:59 -0000
Subject: [Tech1] Re. Foxey and Miller
In-Reply-To: <0ec53d3d-de44-63e0-21c0-77c4ec927f3f@btinternet.com>
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Exactly my thought Dave - maybe Pete knows?

Dave Newbitt

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PPS.  ....who was the lazy boom op.? Cheers, Dave

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From peter.fox at zero51.force9.co.uk  Wed Nov 27 18:53:57 2019
From: peter.fox at zero51.force9.co.uk (Peter Fox)
Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2019 00:53:57 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Re. Foxey and Miller
In-Reply-To: <0ec53d3d-de44-63e0-21c0-77c4ec927f3f@btinternet.com>
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I think I could hazard a guess but as it would slanderous and unfair if wrong and also because I can only think of his first name anyway (at the moment). Don?t forget Cosi Fan Tutti was a long running studio production and there were many long gaps and resets of lights and cameras etc. A rather practical use for a boom mounted foldback speaker I would have thought? And maybe a brownie point for staying at his post while other people were rabbiting on at leisure about camera moves?
Lovely chap our Jonathan. An enthusiast, and a team player and a wonderful way of drawing everyone in. And no shouting. 

Peter Fox

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From phider at gmx.com  Thu Nov 28 03:17:37 2019
From: phider at gmx.com (phider)
Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2019 09:17:37 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Re. Foxey and Miller
In-Reply-To: <FA787F6E-54FF-458D-B364-7B2C0EACDAAD@zero51.force9.co.uk>
Message-ID: <1MRTN9-1iCwJW1Lvx-00NPGA@mail.gmx.com>

Jonaethan was an absolutely wonderful man and director.Does anyone else remember him administering medical attention to John Treays who took an enormous belt when he leant on a floor lamp whose casing was live? Someone called House Services for assistance and a Commissionaire arrived. He pushed his way towards John and said "Let the professional throufgh." Jonathan turned round and in a very disarming way said "I am a Doctor." and continued to work on John until an ambulance arrived.R.I.P. JONATHAN.Peter HiderSent from Samsung Mobile on O2
-------- Original message --------From: Peter Fox via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> Date: 28/11/2019  00:53  (GMT+00:00) To: "dave.mdv" <dave.mdv at btinternet.com> Cc: Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Re. Foxey and Miller I think I could hazard a guess but as it would slanderous and unfair if wrong and also because I can only think of his first name anyway (at the moment). Don?t forget Cosi Fan Tutti was a long running studio production and there were many long gaps and resets of lights and cameras etc. A rather practical use for a boom mounted foldback speaker I would have thought? And maybe a brownie point for staying at his post while other people were rabbiting on at leisure about camera moves?Lovely chap our Jonathan. An enthusiast, and a team player and a wonderful way of drawing everyone in. And no shouting. Peter Fox> On 27 Nov 2019, at 22:55, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:> > ?PPS.? ....who was the lazy boom op.? Cheers, Dave> > -- > Tech1 mailing list> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk-- Tech1 mailing listTech1 at tech-ops.co.ukhttp://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk
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From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com  Thu Nov 28 03:38:10 2019
From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray)
Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2019 09:38:10 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Vinten Manuals addition - Fulmar Pedestal
Message-ID: <5a2601dc-7fc7-ce1e-4767-97b1b851345c@gmail.com>

Hi all,

With many thanks to Dudley Darby, the Vinten Fulmar Maintenance Manual 
is now available on the Vinten Manuals page.

http://tech-ops.co.uk/next/?p=9431

http://tech-ops.co.uk/next/vinten-operator-handbooks/

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From peter.fox at zero51.force9.co.uk  Thu Nov 28 05:21:30 2019
From: peter.fox at zero51.force9.co.uk (Peter Fox)
Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2019 11:21:30 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Re. Foxey and Miller
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Thu Nov 28 10:41:00 2019
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2019 16:41:00 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Congratulations
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Mike did 45 episodes of ?Dad?s Army? between 1969 ? 76.
He and I were on the same TO Course at Wood Norton ? a splendid guy.
Saw him very recently as he made some duplicate DVD?s for me.
He has a super installation in his garage, and can run virtually any audio format.
Congrats to him!
Pat

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From: David Newbitt via Tech1
Sent: 27 November 2019 19:47
To: David Newbitt; Robert Miles; Robin Sutherland via Tech1
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Congratulations

Faulty brain connections showing again ? I meant ?It ain?t half hot Mum? not Dad?s Army. Had the right show in my mind?s eye but put the wrong title to it!
?
Dave Newbitt.
?
From: David Newbitt via Tech1 
Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2019 6:46 PM
To: Robert Miles ; Robin Sutherland via Tech1 
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Congratulations
?
Delighted to hear this award going to such a nice guy. When I think of him I see Two Ronnies, Dad?s Army etc but even stronger is my recollection of his his doughty VW Campervan!
?
Well done Mike,
?
Dave Newbitt.
?
From: Robert Miles via Tech1 
Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2019 3:56 PM
To: Robin Sutherland via Tech1 
Subject: [Tech1] Congratulations
?
Many congratulations to Mike McCarthy for his RTS Lifetime Achievement Award 
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From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net  Thu Nov 28 11:27:22 2019
From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt)
Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2019 17:27:22 -0000
Subject: [Tech1] Congratulations
In-Reply-To: <5ddff89b.1c69fb81.e8bbb.e255@mx.google.com>
References: <a7n7dkn764cnhhjsb0ep6vko.1574870080415@email.android.com>
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See your brain still works Pat ? what should I sprinkle on my Oatiflakes?

Dave Newbitt

From: patheigham 
Sent: Thursday, November 28, 2019 4:41 PM
To: David Newbitt ; Robert Miles ; Robin Sutherland via Tech1 
Subject: RE: [Tech1] Congratulations

Mike did 45 episodes of ?Dad?s Army? between 1969 ? 76.

He and I were on the same TO Course at Wood Norton ? a splendid guy.

Saw him very recently as he made some duplicate DVD?s for me.

He has a super installation in his garage, and can run virtually any audio format.

Congrats to him!

Pat

 

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From: David Newbitt via Tech1
Sent: 27 November 2019 19:47
To: David Newbitt; Robert Miles; Robin Sutherland via Tech1
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Congratulations

 

Faulty brain connections showing again ? I meant ?It ain?t half hot Mum? not Dad?s Army. Had the right show in my mind?s eye but put the wrong title to it!

 

Dave Newbitt.

 

From: David Newbitt via Tech1 

Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2019 6:46 PM

To: Robert Miles ; Robin Sutherland via Tech1 

Subject: Re: [Tech1] Congratulations

 

Delighted to hear this award going to such a nice guy. When I think of him I see Two Ronnies, Dad?s Army etc but even stronger is my recollection of his his doughty VW Campervan!

 

Well done Mike,

 

Dave Newbitt.

 

From: Robert Miles via Tech1 

Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2019 3:56 PM

To: Robin Sutherland via Tech1 

Subject: [Tech1] Congratulations

 

Many congratulations to Mike McCarthy for his RTS Lifetime Achievement Award 

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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Sat Nov 30 11:18:32 2019
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2019 17:18:32 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Car
Message-ID: <5aa82366-db1f-5917-2e84-0033fc405a07@btinternet.com>

We went shopping in Croydon today to a busy shopping complex. We spent 
about 90 minutes there and when we got in the car to come home the noise 
from the exhaust was terrific! I drove home very carefully (13 miles) 
and when I looked under the car with a torch I found that the catalytic 
converter had been cut off leaving a very short downpipe! Duh! On a 
busy Saturday lunchtime in a busy car park and no-one noticed anything 
going on. Cheers, Dave.


From paul at pgtmedia.co.uk  Sat Nov 30 12:04:19 2019
From: paul at pgtmedia.co.uk (Paul Thackray)
Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2019 18:04:19 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Car
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Message-ID: <sgn7lk88a6rjh5aouu0sohg1.1575137059724@pgtmedia.co.uk>

Its quick and they do not care who sees them. Seen a van pull up (We were on the 3rd floor. Looking out of a window) saw them go under the car, by the time we got down the steps they and the converter had all gone !



Paul Thackray

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To: phil at philwthomas.plus.com; pete.m.thomas456 at gmail.com; daidor24 at wendoveremail.co.uk; davelebreton at btinternet.com; d.cjennings at btinternet.com; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Reply to: dave.mdv at btinternet.com
Subject: [Tech1] Car


We went shopping in Croydon today to a busy shopping complex. We spent
about 90 minutes there and when we got in the car to come home the noise
from the exhaust was terrific! I drove home very carefully (13 miles)
and when I looked under the car with a torch I found that the catalytic
converter had been cut off leaving a very short downpipe! Duh! On a
busy Saturday lunchtime in a busy car park and no-one noticed anything
going on. Cheers, Dave.

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From mikej at bmanor.co.uk  Sat Nov 30 13:30:03 2019
From: mikej at bmanor.co.uk (Mike Jordan)
Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2019 19:30:03 -0000
Subject: [Tech1] Car
In-Reply-To: <sgn7lk88a6rjh5aouu0sohg1.1575137059724@pgtmedia.co.uk>
References: <sgn7lk88a6rjh5aouu0sohg1.1575137059724@pgtmedia.co.uk>
Message-ID: <24FF505D10CB4F59BD309DF75B6743F3@Gigabyte>

I go to most of the police forums around here and meetings with Councillors.
This is now an all to regular occurrence and is now extending to some car 
exhausts that have similar chemical bits in them.
I believe Honda and Toyotas are particularly vulnerable and Honda even admit 
so much on their web pages.
It is now possible to purchase "cages" which go over the cat to protect it 
as most cars cats are simply hanging between exhaust pipes rather than being 
bolted on by themselves (vibration requirement?)
As mentioned, even a motorised saw is not needed and a big set of pipe 
cutters will suffice.

Condolences Dave and you are probably now stuffed for exhaust pipes and cat 
(as happened to neighbour here).
On a similar line, our rear number plate was stolen off the 106 - also very 
common as they just steal one to go to steal petrol from garages (our local 
Esso now has cameras pointing at both ends of the filling space). I fitted 
these clever screws which have a slot to screw in and a ramp slot to stop 
unscrewing. However they are quite thin and a good wrench will probably pull 
them out of the plastic bumper. I put a big dollop of sealant behind as 
well. At least out Halfords new number plate is aluminium!

Mike

-----Original Message----- 
From: Paul Thackray via Tech1
Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2019 6:04 PM
To: dave.mdv at btinternet.com ; Phil ; Pete ; Dave ; Dave ; Dave ; 
tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Car

Its quick and they do not care who sees them. Seen a van pull up (We were on 
the 3rd floor. Looking out of a window) saw them go under the car, by the 
time we got down the steps they and the converter had all gone !



Paul Thackray



From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Sat Nov 30 14:28:36 2019
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2019 20:28:36 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Car 2
Message-ID: <8c203aed-9f62-d141-8ce3-78823ad80763@btinternet.com>

A photo of the clean cut end of the middle section of the exhaust and 
the broken wire of the oxygen sensor. Cheers, Dave
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From mibridge at mac.com  Sat Nov 30 14:57:40 2019
From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles)
Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2019 20:57:40 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Car 2
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Better buy a Toyota Mirai hydrogen powered car ~ is there anything to pinch underneath them? BBC Science Focus magazine tells me that they are worth considering but doesn?t mention price.

Mike G


> On 30 Nov 2019, at 20:28, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
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From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net  Sat Nov 30 15:05:28 2019
From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt)
Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2019 21:05:28 -0000
Subject: [Tech1] Car 2
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What a contemptible thing to do Dave. Lines up nicely with stripping lead 
off church roofs and snatching old ladies' handbags.

You really do have my sympathy,

Dave Newbitt.

-----Original Message----- 
From: dave.mdv via Tech1
Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2019 8:28 PM
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk ; Phil ; Pete ; Dave ; Dave ; Dave
Subject: [Tech1] Car 2

A photo of the clean cut end of the middle section of the exhaust and
the broken wire of the oxygen sensor. Cheers, Dave






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