From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com  Wed May  1 02:00:18 2019
From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray)
Date: Wed, 1 May 2019 08:00:18 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Language - and the future
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Hi all,

On 30/04/2019 23:27, geoff.hawkes134--- via Tech1 wrote:
> Is it where we worked that makes us fussy, or what?

Just a little rider on this that you might find interesting. As 
mentioned before,? I eventually became a Quality Manager in a small IT? 
Software development company.

The Functional Specifications were written by the engineers who were 
going to write the software, and they nearly all wrote the FS in the 
future tense - as in "...When the user presses the button, the screen 
will display a small red circle... "?? (OK, it is not a very good example.)

I made it part of my job to read all the Functional Specifications (as 
no one else would review them) and changed all the future tenses to 
present tenses - as in "...When the user presses the button, the screen 
then displays a small red circle... "

The argument for the change was that the Functional Specification 
describes what the product DOES? ((it is the first engineering 
description in response to the User Requirements) and is current 
throughout the life of the product: it is not meant to be what the 
engineer hopes or believes the product WILL DO in the future.


... Now you can criticise ...


-- 

Best Regards

Alec

Alec Bray

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From mibridge at mac.com  Wed May  1 02:20:22 2019
From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles)
Date: Wed, 1 May 2019 08:20:22 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] F1
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Ah! I read this in the morning, so even ?goodnight? is questionable, Vernon!

Mike G

> On 30 Apr 2019, at 22:26, Vernon Dyer via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> My reply to this seems to have gone missing, so apologies if you have already seen it, because I haven?t!
> I said there?s no inconsistency, because a thermOMeter is a measuring device whereas a KILometre is a multiplier.
> Sorry, this is all getting very pedantic, so to lighten the mood:
> Who led the Peasants? Revolt?  Wat Tyler.
> Who led the Pedants? Revolt?  WHICH Tyler!
> And with that  .....  Goodnight!
>  
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>  
> From: Keith Wicks
> Sent: 29 April 2019 18:21
> To: vernon.dyer
> Cc: tech1
> Subject: Re: [Tech1] F1
>  
> Are you are consistent enough to take your temperature using a THERMOmeter?
>  
> On Sun, 28 Apr 2019 at 13:14, vernon.dyer via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>  
> So - what's wrong with 'well'? - I agree about 'different to' and 'should of', although 'different than' is fine, I think. As for '...and I', the trick I learnt/learned  (another can of worms!) from an English teacher is to leave out the first bit  (e g Greg) and say what comes naturally - in other words, you wouldn't say 'a plate of food for I'. 
> Another personal hate of mine is 'k'LOMMeter.' You don't say 'k'LOGGram' or 'centIMMeter', so why not 'KILL-ometre?'
> Best wishes - Vern
>  
> Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.
>  
>  
> My pet hate is the incorrect use of 'I' and 'me'. John Torrode on 
> Masterchef always gets it wrong when he asks contestants to '..create a 
> plate of food for Greg and I'. Grrr.
> 
> Martin
> 
> On 28/04/2019 08:03, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote:
> > My b?te noir is "should of?. I sent a training application back amd turned the course down because the accompanying letter told me I ?should of? completed all of it.
> > ?
> > Graeme Wall
> > 
> > 
> >> On 28 Apr 2019, at 07:52, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> >>
> >> I?m also hearing ?different than?, which is annoying.
> >>
> >> Alasdair Lawrance.
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPad Pro.
> >>
> >> On 27 Apr 2019, at 21:30, Mike Giles via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> >>
> >>> So (used appropriately) Sky want the best part of a TV licence fee, just for Grand Prix!
> >>>
> >>> My wife flies into paroxysms of rage every time the ?s? word features in the wrong place. Whereas I?m the meek and mild sort who merely kicks the cat (It?s OK ~ we haven?t got one.) But I do become enraged by the almost universal use of ?different to?, which should be ?different from?. Nobody would make the opposite mistake of saying ?similar from? instead of ?similar to?! 
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From keithwicksuk at gmail.com  Wed May  1 02:55:41 2019
From: keithwicksuk at gmail.com (Keith Wicks)
Date: Wed, 1 May 2019 08:55:41 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Language - and the future
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Alec Bray wrote:

"...When the user presses the button, the screen will display a small red
circle... ".... I... changed all the future tenses to present tenses - as
in "...When the user presses the button, the screen then displays a small
red circle... "

... the Functional Specification... is not meant to be what the engineer
hopes or believes the product WILL DO in the future.

... Now you can criticise ...

Well, it would be rude to ignore an invitation.

Perhaps it should be: *If* the user presses the button.... After all, the
FS should not predict what the engineer WILL DO in the future and, as we
know, engineers don't always do what they are supposed to do. That change
might not require the future tense to be changed. Just a thought.

KW
On Wed, 1 May 2019 at 08:00, Alec Bray via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
wrote:

> Hi all,
> On 30/04/2019 23:27, geoff.hawkes134--- via Tech1 wrote:
>
> Is it where we worked that makes us fussy, or what?
>
> Just a little rider on this that you might find interesting. As mentioned
> before,  I eventually became a Quality Manager in a small IT  Software
> development company.
>
> The Functional Specifications were written by the engineers who were going
> to write the software, and they nearly all wrote the FS in the future tense
> - as in "...When the user presses the button, the screen will display a
> small red circle... "   (OK, it is not a very good example.)
>
> I made it part of my job to read all the Functional Specifications (as no
> one else would review them) and changed all the future tenses to present
> tenses - as in "...When the user presses the button, the screen then
> displays a small red circle... "
>
> The argument for the change was that the Functional Specification
> describes what the product DOES  ((it is the first engineering description
> in response to the User Requirements) and is current throughout the life of
> the product: it is not meant to be what the engineer hopes or believes the
> product WILL DO in the future.
>
>
> ... Now you can criticise ...
>
>
> --
>
> Best Regards
>
> Alec
>
> Alec Bray
> alec.bray.2 at gmail.com
> mob:    07789 561 346
> home:   0118 981 7502
>
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From vernon.dyer at btinternet.com  Wed May  1 03:22:34 2019
From: vernon.dyer at btinternet.com (Vernon Dyer)
Date: Wed, 1 May 2019 09:22:34 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] F1
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I just can?t win!  I remembered something else I said in my missing post; this thread is called F1 and I?ve completely forgotten what it was originally all about.

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Mike Giles
Sent: 01 May 2019 08:20
To: Vernon Dyer; Tech Ops
Subject: Re: [Tech1] F1

Ah! I read this in the morning, so even ?goodnight? is questionable, Vernon!

Mike G

On 30 Apr 2019, at 22:26, Vernon Dyer via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
My reply to this seems to have gone missing, so apologies if you have already seen it, because I haven?t!
I said there?s no inconsistency, because a thermOMeter is a measuring device whereas a KILometre is a multiplier.
Sorry, this is all getting very pedantic, so to lighten the mood:
Who led the Peasants? Revolt?? Wat Tyler.
Who led the Pedants? Revolt?? WHICH Tyler!
And with that? .....? Goodnight!
?
Sent from Mail for Windows 10
?
From: Keith Wicks
Sent: 29 April 2019 18:21
To: vernon.dyer
Cc: tech1
Subject: Re: [Tech1] F1
?
Are you are consistent enough to take your temperature using a THERMOmeter?
?
On Sun, 28 Apr 2019 at 13:14, vernon.dyer via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
?
So - what's wrong with 'well'? - I agree about 'different to' and 'should of', although 'different than' is fine, I think. As for '...and I', the trick I learnt/learned? (another can of worms!) from an English teacher is to leave out the first bit? (e g Greg) and say what comes naturally - in other words, you wouldn't say 'a plate of food for I'.?
Another personal hate of mine is 'k'LOMMeter.' You don't say 'k'LOGGram' or 'centIMMeter', so why not 'KILL-ometre?'
Best wishes - Vern
?
Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.
?
?
My pet hate is the incorrect use of 'I' and 'me'. John Torrode on 
Masterchef always gets it wrong when he asks contestants to '..create a 
plate of food for Greg and I'. Grrr.

Martin

On 28/04/2019 08:03, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote:
> My b?te noir is "should of?. I sent a training application back amd turned the course down because the accompanying letter told me I ?should of? completed all of it.
> ?
> Graeme Wall
> 
> 
>> On 28 Apr 2019, at 07:52, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> I?m also hearing ?different than?, which is annoying.
>>
>> Alasdair Lawrance.
>>
>> Sent from my iPad Pro.
>>
>> On 27 Apr 2019, at 21:30, Mike Giles via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> So (used appropriately) Sky want the best part of a TV licence fee, just for Grand Prix!
>>>
>>> My wife flies into paroxysms of rage every time the ?s? word features in the wrong place. Whereas I?m the meek and mild sort who merely kicks the cat (It?s OK ~ we haven?t got one.) But I do become enraged by the almost universal use of ?different to?, which should be ?different from?. Nobody would make the opposite mistake of saying ?similar from? instead of ?similar to?!?
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From keithwicksuk at gmail.com  Wed May  1 03:49:53 2019
From: keithwicksuk at gmail.com (Keith Wicks)
Date: Wed, 1 May 2019 09:49:53 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] F1
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I hadn't seen Vernon's original reply either ? but I seem to miss several
posts (including my own, but that's normal, apparently). Vernon wrote:

"... there?s no inconsistency, because a thermOMeter is a measuring device
whereas a KILometre is a multiplier...."

OK. I wasn't aware of a rule that says pronunciation always depends on
meaning (although it does in some cases, of course). To me, both words here
consist of a noun with a qualifying prefix, so they could be pronounced in
a similar way. Or not ? it's the user's choice. I remember that, at school,
the geography teachers always used one pronunciation for kilometre, whereas
the science teachers always used the other one. So I suppose, in this case,
it's the difference between general usage and scientific usage.
KW

On Wed, 1 May 2019 at 08:20, Mike Giles via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
wrote:

> Ah! I read this in the morning, so even ?goodnight? is questionable,
> Vernon!
>
> Mike G
>
> On 30 Apr 2019, at 22:26, Vernon Dyer via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
> My reply to this seems to have gone missing, so apologies if you have
> already seen it, because I haven?t!
>
> I said there?s no inconsistency, because a thermOMeter is a measuring
> device whereas a KILometre is a multiplier.
>
> Sorry, this is all getting very pedantic, so to lighten the mood:
>
> Who led the Peasants? Revolt?  Wat Tyler.
>
> Who led the Pedants? Revolt?  WHICH Tyler!
>
> And with that  .....  Goodnight!
>
>
>
> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
> Windows 10
>
>
>
> *From: *Keith Wicks <keithwicksuk at gmail.com>
> *Sent: *29 April 2019 18:21
> *To: *vernon.dyer <vernon.dyer at btinternet.com>
> *Cc: *tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> *Subject: *Re: [Tech1] F1
>
>
>
> Are you are consistent enough to take your temperature using a THERMOmeter?
>
>
>
> On Sun, 28 Apr 2019 at 13:14, vernon.dyer via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> So - what's wrong with 'well'? - I agree about 'different to' and 'should
> of', although 'different than' is fine, I think. As for '...and I', the
> trick I learnt/learned  (another can of worms!) from an English teacher is
> to leave out the first bit  (e g Greg) and say what comes naturally - in
> other words, you wouldn't say 'a plate of food for I'.
>
> Another personal hate of mine is 'k'LOMMeter.' You don't say 'k'LOGGram'
> or 'centIMMeter', so why not 'KILL-ometre?'
>
> Best wishes - Vern
>
>
>
> Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.
>
>
>
>
>
> My pet hate is the incorrect use of 'I' and 'me'. John Torrode on
> Masterchef always gets it wrong when he asks contestants to '..create a
> plate of food for Greg and I'. Grrr.
>
> Martin
>
> On 28/04/2019 08:03, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote:
> > My b?te noir is "should of?. I sent a training application back amd
> turned the course down because the accompanying letter told me I ?should
> of? completed all of it.
> > ?
> > Graeme Wall
> >
> >
> >> On 28 Apr 2019, at 07:52, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 <
> tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> >>
> >> I?m also hearing ?different than?, which is annoying.
> >>
> >> Alasdair Lawrance.
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPad Pro.
> >>
> >> On 27 Apr 2019, at 21:30, Mike Giles via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> wrote:
> >>
> >>> So (used appropriately) Sky want the best part of a TV licence fee,
> just for Grand Prix!
> >>>
> >>> My wife flies into paroxysms of rage every time the ?s? word features
> in the wrong place. Whereas I?m the meek and mild sort who merely kicks the
> cat (It?s OK ~ we haven?t got one.) But I do become enraged by the almost
> universal use of ?different to?, which should be ?different from?. Nobody
> would make the opposite mistake of saying ?similar from? instead of
> ?similar to?!
>
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From rogerbunce at btinternet.com  Wed May  1 04:09:52 2019
From: rogerbunce at btinternet.com (ROGER BUNCE)
Date: Wed, 1 May 2019 09:09:52 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tech1] Hubble ushers in 29th anniversary with colorful new
 Southern Crab Nebula image: Digital Photography Review
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 O.K. serious question time - following our conversation about what keeps the International Space Station up in orbit - and linking it to the Hubble images.
Question One: The "Eye is Space" photo was the first time that Hubble snapped an hourglass-shaped nebula. Now it seems to be showing lots of them, e.g. the Southern Crab Nebula. But what causes this strange formation? My best guess - large star explodes; matter hurtles outward in all direction, or it would do, except that the whole thing is spinning. So, explosion plus centrifugal face is throwing stuff outward, while gravity is pulling it back in. If the whole mass is great enough, the material at the poles will collapse back towards the centre, creating the hollow cups of the hourglass (where you'd put the sand in a real hourglass). But what happened to the stuff around the middle? Was the centrifugal force so great that it has all been flung off into space? - leaving only that thin surface (the glass bit of the hourglass), where gravitational and centrifugal forces are currently in balance? Would this really create an hourglass shape? Anyone any good at maths?
Question Two: Does anyone else watch "The Good Fight" (Anti-Trump legal drama, Thursdays, 21.00 hrs, More Four)? The opening titles show a series of symbolic objects exploding in super slow motion. The explosions of a wine bottle, and other liquid containers, create a pattern remarkably similar to Hubble photos of the Crab Nebula. Why would a splash of liquid, less than a meter across, look like an explosion of interstellar plasma, millions of kilometres across? I'm sure scientists can explain why a splash looks like a splash, with globules, filaments and curved surfaces of liquid (even if David Hockney has never got it right), and I'm sure their explanation will involved surface tension. But on the scale of the Crab Nebula, gravity is the only force with a long enough range to be effective, but how does gravity create patterns like those caused by surface tension on the small scale?
Intelligent answers please (You're included George, even if you weren't a techie!)
I mean - Come on Guys! It's not as if it's rocket sci . . . er . . . or maybe it is!
luv, Rog.

    On Tuesday, 30 April 2019, 22:07:20 BST, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:  
 
 I know some of us are quite interested in this and it?s worth having a look at this page


https://www.dpreview.com/news/8929506627/hubble-ushers-in-29th-anniversary-with-colorful-new-southern-crab-nebula-image


Go to the bottom of the speil and click through to the pics it has sent back over the years.

I?m a confirmed atheist, but there are times when I wonder....

Alasdair.

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From vernon.dyer at btinternet.com  Wed May  1 04:47:41 2019
From: vernon.dyer at btinternet.com (Vernon Dyer)
Date: Wed, 1 May 2019 10:47:41 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] F1
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I think you?re absolutely right, Keith: there are no rules in English that can?t be broken in certain circumstances, and perhaps that?s the great thing about our language ? that it?s a thriving, constantly evolving, adaptable (and therefore occasionally infuriating) entity; unlike French, which is tightly controlled by academics (in theory anyway) and can be slow to react to the pace of change.  One example comes to mind, the split infinitive, which I was always led to believe was bad English, but in some circumstances is the only way to put an idea across, so why not?

[I was tempted to change that to ?led to always believe...?, but decided not!]

Now we?re even further off the original subject!

Best wishes  .....  Vern

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From: Keith Wicks
Sent: 01 May 2019 09:50
To: Mike Giles
Cc: Vernon Dyer; Tech Ops
Subject: Re: [Tech1] F1

I hadn't seen Vernon's original reply either ? but I seem to miss several posts (including my own, but that's normal, apparently). Vernon wrote:

"...?there?s no inconsistency, because a thermOMeter is a measuring device whereas a KILometre is a multiplier...."

OK. I wasn't aware of a rule that says pronunciation always depends on meaning (although it does in some cases, of course). To me, both words here consist of a noun with a qualifying prefix, so they could be pronounced in a similar way. Or not ? it's the user's choice. I remember that, at school, the geography teachers always used one pronunciation for kilometre, whereas the science teachers always used the other one. So I suppose, in this case, it's the difference between general usage and scientific usage.
KW

On Wed, 1 May 2019 at 08:20, Mike Giles via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
Ah! I read this in the morning, so even ?goodnight? is questionable, Vernon!

Mike G

On 30 Apr 2019, at 22:26, Vernon Dyer via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
My reply to this seems to have gone missing, so apologies if you have already seen it, because I haven?t!
I said there?s no inconsistency, because a thermOMeter is a measuring device whereas a KILometre is a multiplier.
Sorry, this is all getting very pedantic, so to lighten the mood:
Who led the Peasants? Revolt?? Wat Tyler.
Who led the Pedants? Revolt?? WHICH Tyler!
And with that? .....? Goodnight!
?
Sent from Mail for Windows 10
?
From: Keith Wicks
Sent: 29 April 2019 18:21
To: vernon.dyer
Cc: tech1
Subject: Re: [Tech1] F1
?
Are you are consistent enough to take your temperature using a THERMOmeter?
?
On Sun, 28 Apr 2019 at 13:14, vernon.dyer via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
?
So - what's wrong with 'well'? - I agree about 'different to' and 'should of', although 'different than' is fine, I think. As for '...and I', the trick I learnt/learned? (another can of worms!) from an English teacher is to leave out the first bit? (e g Greg) and say what comes naturally - in other words, you wouldn't say 'a plate of food for I'.?
Another personal hate of mine is 'k'LOMMeter.' You don't say 'k'LOGGram' or 'centIMMeter', so why not 'KILL-ometre?'
Best wishes - Vern
?
Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.
?
?
My pet hate is the incorrect use of 'I' and 'me'. John Torrode on 
Masterchef always gets it wrong when he asks contestants to '..create a 
plate of food for Greg and I'. Grrr.

Martin

On 28/04/2019 08:03, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote:
> My b?te noir is "should of?. I sent a training application back amd turned the course down because the accompanying letter told me I ?should of? completed all of it.
> ?
> Graeme Wall
> 
> 
>> On 28 Apr 2019, at 07:52, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> I?m also hearing ?different than?, which is annoying.
>>
>> Alasdair Lawrance.
>>
>> Sent from my iPad Pro.
>>
>> On 27 Apr 2019, at 21:30, Mike Giles via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> So (used appropriately) Sky want the best part of a TV licence fee, just for Grand Prix!
>>>
>>> My wife flies into paroxysms of rage every time the ?s? word features in the wrong place. Whereas I?m the meek and mild sort who merely kicks the cat (It?s OK ~ we haven?t got one.) But I do become enraged by the almost universal use of ?different to?, which should be ?different from?. Nobody would make the opposite mistake of saying ?similar from? instead of ?similar to?!?
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From dave at davesound.co.uk  Wed May  1 04:43:17 2019
From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman)
Date: Wed, 01 May 2019 10:43:17 +0100
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In article <F379437A-6BBE-4436-9C69-7C4C2623E9C7 at btinternet.com>,
   Roger E Long via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 10 or 12 radios into a 24 track HD device
> Sorted by a dialog editor ,mixed by the Dubbing Mixer
> Machine television?

So just who rigs that setup? Who fits the RMs to the talent?

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From j at howell61.f9.co.uk  Wed May  1 05:08:42 2019
From: j at howell61.f9.co.uk (John Howell)
Date: Wed, 1 May 2019 11:08:42 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] F1
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Hello Rog,

A further contribution to your little dialogue could include "went" 
meaning "said"

so the last line would become? "And he went: "Smash yer, like, face in"


With respeck,

John.





On 29/04/2019 17:51, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 wrote:
> The one that always used to annoy me, but I now find it hilarious, is 
> the word 'Like', variously used to start a sentence; as a pointless 
> punctuation, and to replace words such as 'said', 'suggested', 
> 'announced', 'asked', 'replied', 'hinted', 'opined', etc.
>
> For example -
>
> Like, I was going down to, like, the shops, and there was, like, 
> Wayne, who had these really cool, like, trainers.
> So, I was like, "Like yer trainers, Wayne."
> And he was like, "You takin the p*ss?"
> And I was like, "That's, like, disrespeckful, Dood!"
> And he was like,"Smash yer, like, face in!"
> etc.
>
> luv, Rog.
>
>
> On Sunday, 28 April 2019, 23:48:44 BST, Mike Giles via Tech1 
> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>
>
> Equally annoying is ?me and him? when it should be ?he and I?, or 
> possibly ?him and me?, depending on context.
>
> On the ?ometer? front, I always tell people that a ?killOmeter? is a 
> thing for measuring kilos, i.e. kilograms, in the same way that a 
> milometer is a thing for measuring miles.
>
> No wonder the planet is doomed ~ perhaps we should be campaigning for 
> a language emergency to be declared along with the climate emergency.
>
> Mike G
>
>> On 28 Apr 2019, at 15:36, Gary Critcher via Tech1 
>> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:
>>
>> My pet example is 'your' and 'you're'.
>> I was aghast as long as ten years ago when I was in my local Post 
>> Office, they sell greetings/birthday/retirement/get well cards.
>>
>> ?To my astonishment a Get Well card proclaimed on the front; 'Help 
>> Your Feeling Better'.
>>
>> I picked it up with the intention of sending a letter to the 
>> publisher/printer (I remember they were in Leeds) but thought that 
>> they wouldn't do anything about it, even if they understood what I 
>> meant AND they were going to profit from me buying the card as well.
>>
>> all the best!
>> On Sunday, 28 April 2019, 15:32:11 BST, Chris on gmail via Tech1 
>> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> my pet hate? after some accident is
>>
>> the victims are gravely ILL when they are Gravely INJURED
>>
>> chris
>>
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From rogerbunce at btinternet.com  Wed May  1 05:33:50 2019
From: rogerbunce at btinternet.com (ROGER BUNCE)
Date: Wed, 1 May 2019 10:33:50 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tech1] F1
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 You obviously mean 180 degrees, Nick. If he turned 360 degrees, he'd be facing the same direction as before. (Sorry I didn't pick you up last time!)
luv, Rog.
    On Wednesday, 1 May 2019, 11:21:50 BST, Nick Way via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:  
 
 
I also have a problem with "I turned round and said....".

Fine for a Supervisor to a Gram Op but walking down the street or standing next to each other? You don't see people turning 360 to say something - well I don't!

With best wishes,

Nick Way

Broadcast Consultant, Project Manager, Sound Supervisor, Trainer?& Custom Earpieces

+44 (0)7984 407590 | Skype nickway59

On 01 May 2019 at 11:08 John Howell via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote: 
 

Hello Rog,

A further contribution to your little dialogue could include "went" meaning "said"

so the last line would become? "And he went: "Smash yer, like, face in"


 

With respeck,

John.





On 29/04/2019 17:51, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 wrote: 

The one that always used to annoy me, but I now find it hilarious, is the word 'Like', variously used to start a sentence; as a pointless punctuation, and to replace words such as 'said', 'suggested', 'announced', 'asked', 'replied', 'hinted', 'opined', etc.
For example -
Like, I was going down to, like, the shops, and there was, like, Wayne, who had these really cool, like, trainers.So, I was like, "Like yer trainers, Wayne."And he was like, "You takin the p*ss?"And I was like, "That's, like, disrespeckful, Dood!"And he was like,"Smash yer, like, face in!"etc. 

luv, Rog.

?
On Sunday, 28 April 2019, 23:48:44 BST, Mike Giles via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

Equally annoying is ?me and him? when it should be ?he and I?, or possibly ?him and me?, depending on context.
On the ?ometer? front, I always tell people that a ?killOmeter? is a thing for measuring kilos, i.e. kilograms, in the same way that a milometer is a thing for measuring miles.
No wonder the planet is doomed ~ perhaps we should be campaigning for a language emergency to be declared along with the climate emergency.
Mike G 


On 28 Apr 2019, at 15:36, Gary Critcher via Tech1 < tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
My pet example is 'your' and 'you're'.I was aghast as long as ten years ago when I was in my local Post Office, they sell greetings/birthday/retirement/get well cards.
?To my astonishment a Get Well card proclaimed on the front; 'Help Your Feeling Better'.
I picked it up with the intention of sending a letter to the publisher/printer (I remember they were in Leeds) but thought that they wouldn't do anything about it, even if they understood what I meant AND they were going to profit from me buying the card as well.
all the best! 
On Sunday, 28 April 2019, 15:32:11 BST, Chris on gmail via Tech1 < tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

my pet hate? after some accident is 

the victims are gravely ILL when they are Gravely INJURED 

chris 

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From geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com  Wed May  1 06:05:17 2019
From: geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com (geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com)
Date: Wed, 1 May 2019 12:05:17 +0100
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The use of ?went? for ?said?,  back and forth in the course of conversation between two people, not always young ones, annoys me too,

 

Geoff

 

From: Tech1 [mailto:tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk] On Behalf Of John Howell via Tech1
Sent: 01 May 2019 11:09
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Tech1] F1

 

Hello Rog,

A further contribution to your little dialogue could include "went" meaning "said"

so the last line would become  "And he went: "Smash yer, like, face in"

 

With respeck,

John.

 

 

 

 

On 29/04/2019 17:51, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 wrote:

The one that always used to annoy me, but I now find it hilarious, is the word 'Like', variously used to start a sentence; as a pointless punctuation, and to replace words such as 'said', 'suggested', 'announced', 'asked', 'replied', 'hinted', 'opined', etc.

 

For example -

 

Like, I was going down to, like, the shops, and there was, like, Wayne, who had these really cool, like, trainers.

So, I was like, "Like yer trainers, Wayne."

And he was like, "You takin the p*ss?"

And I was like, "That's, like, disrespeckful, Dood!"

And he was like,"Smash yer, like, face in!"

etc.

 

luv, Rog.

 

 

On Sunday, 28 April 2019, 23:48:44 BST, Mike Giles via Tech1  <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote: 

 

 

Equally annoying is ?me and him? when it should be ?he and I?, or possibly ?him and me?, depending on context. 

 

On the ?ometer? front, I always tell people that a ?killOmeter? is a thing for measuring kilos, i.e. kilograms, in the same way that a milometer is a thing for measuring miles.

 

No wonder the planet is doomed ~ perhaps we should be campaigning for a language emergency to be declared along with the climate emergency.

 

Mike G





On 28 Apr 2019, at 15:36, Gary Critcher via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

 

My pet example is 'your' and 'you're'.

I was aghast as long as ten years ago when I was in my local Post Office, they sell greetings/birthday/retirement/get well cards.

 

 To my astonishment a Get Well card proclaimed on the front; 'Help Your Feeling Better'.

 

I picked it up with the intention of sending a letter to the publisher/printer (I remember they were in Leeds) but thought that they wouldn't do anything about it, even if they understood what I meant AND they were going to profit from me buying the card as well.

 

all the best!

On Sunday, 28 April 2019, 15:32:11 BST, Chris on gmail via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote: 

 

 

my pet hate  after some accident is

 

the victims are gravely ILL when they are Gravely INJURED

 

chris

 

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From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com  Wed May  1 06:10:39 2019
From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray)
Date: Wed, 1 May 2019 12:10:39 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Language - and the future
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Hi all,

On 01/05/2019 08:55, Keith Wicks wrote:
> the FS should not predict what the engineer WILL DO

Thank you, Keith, for your comments (I wanted to put an exclamation mark 
there ...)

I think that terminology got in the way: unfortunately, my use of the 
term "engineer" meant the software person who is going eventually to 
write the code.? The people writing the FS were the people who were 
going write the code (or were writing it in parallel, so they were 
always thinking about that they were going to do in the coding - but 
that's not what you really want in a Functional Specification.? (This 
was a small company - we all did lots of jobs,. I was Production Manager 
and Quality Manager,? and one day I had an argument with myself in the 
middle of the office, because the Production Manager wanted to release 
the product and the Quality Manager would not let him.

If your "engineer" means the person who is using the eventually produced 
software product - then I wholeheartedly agree with you.


And - once more, with feeling ...On 30/04/2019 23:27, geoff.hawkes134--- 
via Tech1 wrote:
> Is it where we worked that makes us fussy, or what?

I went to a discussion about the design of software user interfaces run 
as part of the local area Quality group under the IQA.? We were invited 
to find errors in the interface sample we were offered.? I am not 
ashamed to say that I "won" - and by a considerable margin, finding 
(IIRC) in excess of 35 "errors" on one single form.

So (as in ... "As a result,")? I have been very careful about the design 
of the UI for my programs and for the content and delivery on on-line 
user help.


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From vernon.dyer at btinternet.com  Wed May  1 06:15:54 2019
From: vernon.dyer at btinternet.com (vernon.dyer)
Date: Wed, 01 May 2019 12:15:54 +0100
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A word has just come into my head - ALtimeter!!Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.-------- Original message --------From: Keith Wicks <keithwicksuk at gmail.com> Date: 01/05/2019  09:49  (GMT+00:00) To: Mike Giles <mibridge at mac.com> Cc: Vernon Dyer <vernon.dyer at btinternet.com>, Tech Ops <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> Subject: Re: [Tech1] F1 I hadn't seen Vernon's original reply either ? but I seem to miss several posts (including my own, but that's normal, apparently). Vernon wrote:"...?there?s no inconsistency, because a thermOMeter is a measuring device whereas a KILometre is a multiplier...."OK. I wasn't aware of a rule that says pronunciation always depends on meaning (although it does in some cases, of course). To me, both words here consist of a noun with a qualifying prefix, so they could be pronounced in a similar way. Or not ? it's the user's choice. I remember that, at school, the geography teachers always used one pronunciation for kilometre, whereas the science teachers always used the other one. So I suppose, in this case, it's the difference between general usage and scientific usage.KWOn Wed, 1 May 2019 at 08:20, Mike Giles via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:Ah! I read this in the morning, so even ?goodnight? is questionable, Vernon!Mike GOn 30 Apr 2019, at 22:26, Vernon Dyer via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:My reply to this seems to have gone missing, so apologies if you have already seen it, because I haven?t!I said there?s no inconsistency, because a thermOMeter is a measuring device whereas a KILometre is a multiplier.Sorry, this is all getting very pedantic, so to lighten the mood:Who led the Peasants? Revolt?? Wat Tyler.Who led the Pedants? Revolt?? WHICH Tyler!And with that? .....? Goodnight!?Sent from Mail for Windows 10?From: Keith WicksSent: 29 April 2019 18:21To: vernon.dyerCc: tech1Subject: Re: [Tech1] F1?Are you are consistent enough to take your temperature using a THERMOmeter??On Sun, 28 Apr 2019 at 13:14, vernon.dyer via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:?So - what's wrong with 'well'? - I agree about 'different to' and 'should of', although 'different than' is fine, I think. As for '...and I', the trick I learnt/learned? (another can of worms!) from an English teacher is to leave out the first bit? (e g Greg) and say what comes naturally - in other words, you wouldn't say 'a plate of food for I'.?Another personal hate of mine is 'k'LOMMeter.' You don't say 'k'LOGGram' or 'centIMMeter', so why not 'KILL-ometre?'Best wishes - Vern?Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.??My pet hate is the incorrect use of 'I' and 'me'. John Torrode on Masterchef always gets it wrong when he asks contestants to '..create a plate of food for Greg and I'. Grrr.MartinOn 28/04/2019 08:03, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote:> My b?te noir is "should of?. I sent a training application back amd turned the course down because the accompanying letter told me I ?should of? completed all of it.> ?> Graeme Wall> > >> On 28 Apr 2019, at 07:52, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:>>>> I?m also hearing ?different than?, which is annoying.>>>> Alasdair Lawrance.>>>> Sent from my iPad Pro.>>>> On 27 Apr 2019, at 21:30, Mike Giles via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:>>>>> So (used appropriately) Sky want the best part of a TV licence fee, just for Grand Prix!>>>>>> My wife flies into paroxysms of rage every time the ?s? word features in the wrong place. Whereas I?m the meek and mild sort who merely kicks the cat (It?s OK ~ we haven?t got one.) But I do become enraged by the almost universal use of ?different to?, which should be ?different from?. Nobody would make the opposite mistake of saying ?similar from? instead of ?similar to?!?-- Tech1 mailing listTech1 at tech-ops.co.ukhttp://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk?-- Tech1 mailing listTech1 at tech-ops.co.ukhttp://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk-- 
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From vernon.dyer at btinternet.com  Wed May  1 06:20:08 2019
From: vernon.dyer at btinternet.com (vernon.dyer)
Date: Wed, 01 May 2019 12:20:08 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] F1
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As John Major said : 'When your back's to the wall, turn round and fight.''Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.-------- Original message --------From: Nick Way via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> Date: 01/05/2019  11:21  (GMT+00:00) To: John Howell <j at howell61.f9.co.uk>, John Howell via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> Subject: Re: [Tech1] F1 I also have a problem with "I turned round and said....".Fine for a Supervisor to a Gram Op but walking down the street or standing next to each other? You don't see people turning 360 to say something - well I don't!With best wishes,Nick WayBroadcast Consultant, Project Manager, Sound Supervisor, Trainer?& Custom Earpieces+44 (0)7984 407590 | Skype nickway59On 01 May 2019 at 11:08 John Howell via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:  Hello Rog,A further contribution to your little dialogue could include "went" meaning "said"so the last line would become? "And he went: "Smash yer, like, face in" With respeck,John.On 29/04/2019 17:51, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 wrote: The one that always used to annoy me, but I now find it hilarious, is the word 'Like', variously used to start a sentence; as a pointless punctuation, and to replace words such as 'said', 'suggested', 'announced', 'asked', 'replied', 'hinted', 'opined', etc.For example -Like, I was going down to, like, the shops, and there was, like, Wayne, who had these really cool, like, trainers.So, I was like, "Like yer trainers, Wayne."And he was like, "You takin the p*ss?"And I was like, "That's, like, disrespeckful, Dood!"And he was like,"Smash yer, like, face in!"etc. luv, Rog.?On Sunday, 28 April 2019, 23:48:44 BST, Mike Giles via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:Equally annoying is ?me and him? when it should be ?he and I?, or possibly ?him and me?, depending on context.On the ?ometer? front, I always tell people that a ?killOmeter? is a thing for measuring kilos, i.e. kilograms, in the same way that a milometer is a thing for measuring miles.No wonder the planet is doomed ~ perhaps we should be campaigning for a language emergency to be declared along with the climate emergency.Mike G On 28 Apr 2019, at 15:36, Gary Critcher via Tech1 < tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:My pet example is 'your' and 'you're'.I was aghast as long as ten years ago when I was in my local Post Office, they sell greetings/birthday/retirement/get well cards.?To my astonishment a Get Well card proclaimed on the front; 'Help Your Feeling Better'.I picked it up with the intention of sending a letter to the publisher/printer (I remember they were in Leeds) but thought that they wouldn't do anything about it, even if they understood what I meant AND they were going to profit from me buying the card as well.all the best! On Sunday, 28 April 2019, 15:32:11 BST, Chris on gmail via Tech1 < tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:my pet hate? after some accident is the victims are gravely ILL when they are Gravely INJURED chris -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk --  Tech1 mailing list  Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk  http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk --  Tech1 mailing list  Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk  http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk ?-- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk ?
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From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk  Wed May  1 06:40:19 2019
From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf)
Date: Wed, 1 May 2019 12:40:19 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Hubble ushers in 29th anniversary with colorful new
 Southern Crab Nebula image: Digital Photography Review
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https://www.constellation-guide.com/hourglass-nebula/ is a good probable 
explanation.

Chris Woolf

On 01/05/2019 10:09, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 wrote:
> O.K. serious question time - following our conversation about what 
> keeps the International Space Station up in orbit - and linking it to 
> the Hubble images.
>
> Question One: The "Eye is Space" photo was the first time that Hubble 
> snapped an hourglass-shaped nebula. Now it seems to be showing lots of 
> them, e.g. the Southern Crab Nebula. But what causes this strange 
> formation? My best guess - large star explodes; matter hurtles outward 
> in all direction, or it would do, except that the whole thing is 
> spinning. So, explosion plus centrifugal face is throwing stuff 
> outward, while gravity is pulling it back in. If the whole mass is 
> great enough, the material at the poles will collapse back towards the 
> centre, creating the hollow cups of the hourglass (where you'd put the 
> sand in a real hourglass). But what happened to the stuff around the 
> middle? Was the centrifugal force so great that it has all been flung 
> off into space? - leaving only that thin surface (the glass bit of the 
> hourglass), where gravitational and centrifugal forces are currently 
> in balance? Would this really create an hourglass shape? Anyone any 
> good at maths?
>
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From jccglass at gmail.com  Wed May  1 07:06:30 2019
From: jccglass at gmail.com (Chris on gmail)
Date: Wed, 1 May 2019 13:06:30 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Space Big Band
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I found myself wondering  about the big bang
as soon as it  became mass why didnt it all that matter collapse into a 
giant BLACK HOLE



Where is Patrick Moore when I need Him RIP

chris 



From mibridge at mac.com  Wed May  1 07:11:41 2019
From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles)
Date: Wed, 1 May 2019 13:11:41 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] F1
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Yet another illogical one - when giving a drinks or food order at the table, I?ve often heard people say ?Can I get so and so?? rather than ?Can I have????

Mike G

> On 1 May 2019, at 12:05, geoff.hawkes134--- via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> The use of ?went? for ?said?,  back and forth in the course of conversation between two people, not always young ones, annoys me too,
>  
> Geoff
>  
> From: Tech1 [mailto:tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk] On Behalf Of John Howell via Tech1
> Sent: 01 May 2019 11:09
> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> Subject: Re: [Tech1] F1
>  
> Hello Rog,
> 
> A further contribution to your little dialogue could include "went" meaning "said"
> 
> so the last line would become  "And he went: "Smash yer, like, face in"
> 
>  
> 
> With respeck,
> 
> John.
> 
>  
>  
>  
>  
> On 29/04/2019 17:51, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 wrote:
> The one that always used to annoy me, but I now find it hilarious, is the word 'Like', variously used to start a sentence; as a pointless punctuation, and to replace words such as 'said', 'suggested', 'announced', 'asked', 'replied', 'hinted', 'opined', etc.
>  
> For example -
>  
> Like, I was going down to, like, the shops, and there was, like, Wayne, who had these really cool, like, trainers.
> So, I was like, "Like yer trainers, Wayne."
> And he was like, "You takin the p*ss?"
> And I was like, "That's, like, disrespeckful, Dood!"
> And he was like,"Smash yer, like, face in!"
> etc.
>  
> luv, Rog.
>  
>  
> On Sunday, 28 April 2019, 23:48:44 BST, Mike Giles via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>  
>  
> Equally annoying is ?me and him? when it should be ?he and I?, or possibly ?him and me?, depending on context.
>  
> On the ?ometer? front, I always tell people that a ?killOmeter? is a thing for measuring kilos, i.e. kilograms, in the same way that a milometer is a thing for measuring miles.
>  
> No wonder the planet is doomed ~ perhaps we should be campaigning for a language emergency to be declared along with the climate emergency.
>  
> Mike G
> 
> 
> On 28 Apr 2019, at 15:36, Gary Critcher via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>  
> My pet example is 'your' and 'you're'.
> I was aghast as long as ten years ago when I was in my local Post Office, they sell greetings/birthday/retirement/get well cards.
>  
>  To my astonishment a Get Well card proclaimed on the front; 'Help Your Feeling Better'.
>  
> I picked it up with the intention of sending a letter to the publisher/printer (I remember they were in Leeds) but thought that they wouldn't do anything about it, even if they understood what I meant AND they were going to profit from me buying the card as well.
>  
> all the best!
> On Sunday, 28 April 2019, 15:32:11 BST, Chris on gmail via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>  
>  
> my pet hate  after some accident is
>  
> the victims are gravely ILL when they are Gravely INJURED
>  
> chris
>  
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From dave at davesound.co.uk  Wed May  1 07:21:40 2019
From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman)
Date: Wed, 01 May 2019 13:21:40 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] F1
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In article <c5e9866c-81e9-4e0a-f371-3d515c473ff6 at howell61.f9.co.uk>,
   John Howell via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> A further contribution to your little dialogue could include "went" 
> meaning "said"

> so the last line would become  "And he went: "Smash yer, like, face in"

Using 'like' every other word seems to be a yoof thing. At least it's
shorter than 'you know what I mean'.

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From mail at terrymeadowcroft.co.uk  Wed May  1 09:14:28 2019
From: mail at terrymeadowcroft.co.uk (terrymeadowcroft)
Date: Wed, 1 May 2019 15:14:28 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] F1
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Yeah but, John,

I like 'went' here. 

The way the story teller says "smash yer, like, face in", probanly describes the way it was said, including intonation, maybe even bodily action. 

The whole thing is the thing wot he done, not just the fing wot he SAID. He definitely went like that! 

That's wot I fink, any road up.

Terry
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: John Howell via Tech1 
  To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk 
  Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2019 11:08 AM
  Subject: Re: [Tech1] F1


  Hello Rog,

  A further contribution to your little dialogue could include "went" meaning "said"

  so the last line would become  "And he went: "Smash yer, like, face in"




  With respeck,

  John.










  On 29/04/2019 17:51, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 wrote:

    The one that always used to annoy me, but I now find it hilarious, is the word 'Like', variously used to start a sentence; as a pointless punctuation, and to replace words such as 'said', 'suggested', 'announced', 'asked', 'replied', 'hinted', 'opined', etc.


    For example -


    Like, I was going down to, like, the shops, and there was, like, Wayne, who had these really cool, like, trainers.
    So, I was like, "Like yer trainers, Wayne."
    And he was like, "You takin the p*ss?"
    And I was like, "That's, like, disrespeckful, Dood!"
    And he was like,"Smash yer, like, face in!"
    etc.



    luv, Rog.




    On Sunday, 28 April 2019, 23:48:44 BST, Mike Giles via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote: 




    Equally annoying is ?me and him? when it should be ?he and I?, or possibly ?him and me?, depending on context. 


    On the ?ometer? front, I always tell people that a ?killOmeter? is a thing for measuring kilos, i.e. kilograms, in the same way that a milometer is a thing for measuring miles.


    No wonder the planet is doomed ~ perhaps we should be campaigning for a language emergency to be declared along with the climate emergency.


    Mike G



      On 28 Apr 2019, at 15:36, Gary Critcher via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:


      My pet example is 'your' and 'you're'.
      I was aghast as long as ten years ago when I was in my local Post Office, they sell greetings/birthday/retirement/get well cards.


       To my astonishment a Get Well card proclaimed on the front; 'Help Your Feeling Better'.


      I picked it up with the intention of sending a letter to the publisher/printer (I remember they were in Leeds) but thought that they wouldn't do anything about it, even if they understood what I meant AND they were going to profit from me buying the card as well.


      all the best!

      On Sunday, 28 April 2019, 15:32:11 BST, Chris on gmail via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote: 




      my pet hate  after some accident is



      the victims are gravely ILL when they are Gravely INJURED



      chris



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From mail at terrymeadowcroft.co.uk  Wed May  1 09:20:14 2019
From: mail at terrymeadowcroft.co.uk (terrymeadowcroft)
Date: Wed, 1 May 2019 15:20:14 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Fw:  F1
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: terrymeadowcroft 
To: John Howell 
Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2019 3:17 PM
Subject: Re: [Tech1] F1


Sorry, probably not probanly.

Like, fat fingers.
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  From: John Howell via Tech1 
  To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk 
  Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2019 11:08 AM
  Subject: Re: [Tech1] F1


  Hello Rog,

  A further contribution to your little dialogue could include "went" meaning "said"

  so the last line would become  "And he went: "Smash yer, like, face in"




  With respeck,

  John.










  On 29/04/2019 17:51, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 wrote:

    The one that always used to annoy me, but I now find it hilarious, is the word 'Like', variously used to start a sentence; as a pointless punctuation, and to replace words such as 'said', 'suggested', 'announced', 'asked', 'replied', 'hinted', 'opined', etc.


    For example -


    Like, I was going down to, like, the shops, and there was, like, Wayne, who had these really cool, like, trainers.
    So, I was like, "Like yer trainers, Wayne."
    And he was like, "You takin the p*ss?"
    And I was like, "That's, like, disrespeckful, Dood!"
    And he was like,"Smash yer, like, face in!"
    etc.



    luv, Rog.




    On Sunday, 28 April 2019, 23:48:44 BST, Mike Giles via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote: 




    Equally annoying is ?me and him? when it should be ?he and I?, or possibly ?him and me?, depending on context. 


    On the ?ometer? front, I always tell people that a ?killOmeter? is a thing for measuring kilos, i.e. kilograms, in the same way that a milometer is a thing for measuring miles.


    No wonder the planet is doomed ~ perhaps we should be campaigning for a language emergency to be declared along with the climate emergency.


    Mike G



      On 28 Apr 2019, at 15:36, Gary Critcher via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:


      My pet example is 'your' and 'you're'.
      I was aghast as long as ten years ago when I was in my local Post Office, they sell greetings/birthday/retirement/get well cards.


       To my astonishment a Get Well card proclaimed on the front; 'Help Your Feeling Better'.


      I picked it up with the intention of sending a letter to the publisher/printer (I remember they were in Leeds) but thought that they wouldn't do anything about it, even if they understood what I meant AND they were going to profit from me buying the card as well.


      all the best!

      On Sunday, 28 April 2019, 15:32:11 BST, Chris on gmail via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote: 




      my pet hate  after some accident is



      the victims are gravely ILL when they are Gravely INJURED



      chris



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From j at howell61.f9.co.uk  Wed May  1 10:49:00 2019
From: j at howell61.f9.co.uk (John Howell)
Date: Wed, 1 May 2019 16:49:00 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] F1
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Then there's the problem of "see you later" thrown in at the end of a 
meeting etc.


Particularly "See you tomorrow/next time" from a TV presenter.........

"No you won't unless TV has become bi-directional".


John H.



01/05/2019 11:21, Nick Way wrote:
>
> I also have a problem with "I turned round and said....".
>
> Fine for a Supervisor to a Gram Op but walking down the street or 
> standing next to each other? You don't see people turning 360 to say 
> something - well I don't!
>
> With best wishes,
>
> Nick Way
>
> Broadcast Consultant, Project Manager, Sound Supervisor, Trainer?& 
> Custom Earpieces
>
> +44 (0)7984407590 | Skype nickway59
>
>> On 01 May 2019 at 11:08 John Howell via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hello Rog,
>>
>> A further contribution to your little dialogue could include "went" 
>> meaning "said"
>>
>> so the last line would become? "And he went: "Smash yer, like, face in"
>>
>>
>> With respeck,
>>
>> John.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 29/04/2019 17:51, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 wrote:
>>> The one that always used to annoy me, but I now find it hilarious, 
>>> is the word 'Like', variously used to start a sentence; as a 
>>> pointless punctuation, and to replace words such as 'said', 
>>> 'suggested', 'announced', 'asked', 'replied', 'hinted', 'opined', etc.
>>>
>>> For example -
>>>
>>> Like, I was going down to, like, the shops, and there was, like, 
>>> Wayne, who had these really cool, like, trainers.
>>> So, I was like, "Like yer trainers, Wayne."
>>> And he was like, "You takin the p*ss?"
>>> And I was like, "That's, like, disrespeckful, Dood!"
>>> And he was like,"Smash yer, like, face in!"
>>> etc.
>>>
>>> luv, Rog.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sunday, 28 April 2019, 23:48:44 BST, Mike Giles via Tech1 
>>> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Equally annoying is ?me and him? when it should be ?he and I?, or 
>>> possibly ?him and me?, depending on context.
>>>
>>> On the ?ometer? front, I always tell people that a ?killOmeter? is a 
>>> thing for measuring kilos, i.e. kilograms, in the same way that a 
>>> milometer is a thing for measuring miles.
>>>
>>> No wonder the planet is doomed ~ perhaps we should be campaigning 
>>> for a language emergency to be declared along with the climate 
>>> emergency.
>>>
>>> Mike G
>>>
>>>> On 28 Apr 2019, at 15:36, Gary Critcher via Tech1 < 
>>>> tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> My pet example is 'your' and 'you're'.
>>>> I was aghast as long as ten years ago when I was in my local Post 
>>>> Office, they sell greetings/birthday/retirement/get well cards.
>>>>
>>>> ?To my astonishment a Get Well card proclaimed on the front; 'Help 
>>>> Your Feeling Better'.
>>>>
>>>> I picked it up with the intention of sending a letter to the 
>>>> publisher/printer (I remember they were in Leeds) but thought that 
>>>> they wouldn't do anything about it, even if they understood what I 
>>>> meant AND they were going to profit from me buying the card as well.
>>>>
>>>> all the best!
>>>> On Sunday, 28 April 2019, 15:32:11 BST, Chris on gmail via Tech1 < 
>>>> tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> my pet hate? after some accident is
>>>>
>>>> the victims are gravely ILL when they are Gravely INJURED
>>>>
>>>> chris
>>>>
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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Wed May  1 11:39:30 2019
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Wed, 1 May 2019 17:39:30 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Kim Khambatta funeral
Message-ID: <4f910083-a7fe-af25-ff3f-622663a4d103@btinternet.com>

Richard has only just found out that the funeral is tomorrow, Thursday 
May 2nd., 1000 at Golders Green Crematorium. Dave


From waresound at msn.com  Wed May  1 13:38:34 2019
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Wed, 1 May 2019 18:38:34 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] F1
In-Reply-To: <5f90130f-1a46-2f64-6d81-609bbddd2368@howell61.f9.co.uk>
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	<976152233.1362274.1556706083865@email.ionos.co.uk>,
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Oh, whoops, John, didn?t anyone tell you? I think Pat had a sticky tape fix for that though, a few weeks ago. ?
Cheers,
Nick.

Sent from my iPad

On 1 May 2019, at 16:49, John Howell via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk<mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:


Then there's the problem of "see you later" thrown in at the end of a meeting etc.

Particularly "See you tomorrow/next time" from a TV presenter.........

"No you won't unless TV has become bi-directional".

John H.
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From geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com  Wed May  1 15:03:03 2019
From: geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com (geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com)
Date: Wed, 1 May 2019 21:03:03 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] F1
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There?s a variation to that:  ?He went?so I goes??

 

Geoff

 

From: Tech1 [mailto:tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk] On Behalf Of John Howell via Tech1
Sent: 01 May 2019 11:09
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Tech1] F1

 

Hello Rog,

A further contribution to your little dialogue could include "went" meaning "said"

so the last line would become  "And he went: "Smash yer, like, face in"

 

With respeck,

John.

 

 

 

 

On 29/04/2019 17:51, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 wrote:

The one that always used to annoy me, but I now find it hilarious, is the word 'Like', variously used to start a sentence; as a pointless punctuation, and to replace words such as 'said', 'suggested', 'announced', 'asked', 'replied', 'hinted', 'opined', etc.

 

For example -

 

Like, I was going down to, like, the shops, and there was, like, Wayne, who had these really cool, like, trainers.

So, I was like, "Like yer trainers, Wayne."

And he was like, "You takin the p*ss?"

And I was like, "That's, like, disrespeckful, Dood!"

And he was like,"Smash yer, like, face in!"

etc.

 

luv, Rog.

 

 

On Sunday, 28 April 2019, 23:48:44 BST, Mike Giles via Tech1  <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote: 

 

 

Equally annoying is ?me and him? when it should be ?he and I?, or possibly ?him and me?, depending on context. 

 

On the ?ometer? front, I always tell people that a ?killOmeter? is a thing for measuring kilos, i.e. kilograms, in the same way that a milometer is a thing for measuring miles.

 

No wonder the planet is doomed ~ perhaps we should be campaigning for a language emergency to be declared along with the climate emergency.

 

Mike G





On 28 Apr 2019, at 15:36, Gary Critcher via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

 

My pet example is 'your' and 'you're'.

I was aghast as long as ten years ago when I was in my local Post Office, they sell greetings/birthday/retirement/get well cards.

 

 To my astonishment a Get Well card proclaimed on the front; 'Help Your Feeling Better'.

 

I picked it up with the intention of sending a letter to the publisher/printer (I remember they were in Leeds) but thought that they wouldn't do anything about it, even if they understood what I meant AND they were going to profit from me buying the card as well.

 

all the best!

On Sunday, 28 April 2019, 15:32:11 BST, Chris on gmail via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote: 

 

 

my pet hate  after some accident is

 

the victims are gravely ILL when they are Gravely INJURED

 

chris

 

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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Wed May  1 17:34:56 2019
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Wed, 1 May 2019 23:34:56 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] F1
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Well, (another popular start to a statement - as well as 'SO'), I 
certainly managed to stir the linguists among us, but the original point 
of my e-mail was about Sky's greed in only letting Ch. 4 show only one 
live FI race this season, the British GP! Only one comment followed on 
from that! Cheers, Dave


From martin at theeccles.uk  Wed May  1 18:11:15 2019
From: martin at theeccles.uk (Martin Eccles)
Date: Thu, 2 May 2019 00:11:15 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] F1
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I thought the idea was that
the BBC got the licence fee revenue,
ITV got the advertising revenue and
SKY Satellite got its subscription revenue
but Rupert has managed to get subscription AND advertising !
No wonder he can create an F1 channel for an extra fee and has billions to
buy up other sports tv rights. 
Martin.


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From: Tech1 <tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk> On Behalf Of dave.mdv via Tech1
Sent: 01 May 2019 23:35
To: Vernon Dyer <vernon.dyer at btinternet.com>; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Tech1] F1

Well, (another popular start to a statement - as well as 'SO'), I certainly
managed to stir the linguists among us, but the original point of my e-mail
was about Sky's greed in only letting Ch. 4 show only one live FI race this
season, the British GP! Only one comment followed on from that! Cheers, Dave

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From gary_critcher at yahoo.com  Thu May  2 00:28:57 2019
From: gary_critcher at yahoo.com (Gary Critcher)
Date: Thu, 2 May 2019 05:28:57 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tech1] F1
References: <1236981350.4914387.1556774937951.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1236981350.4914387.1556774937951@mail.yahoo.com>

Plus, Channel 4 are only allowed to show race coverage in their highlights programme for just 50% of their on air time. 




--------------------------------------------
On Thu, 2/5/19, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

 Subject: Re: [Tech1] F1
 To: "Vernon Dyer" <vernon.dyer at btinternet.com>, tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
 Date: Thursday, 2 May, 2019, 0:34
 
 Well, (another popular start to a statement -
 as well as 'SO'), I 
 certainly managed to stir the linguists
 among us, but the original point 
 of my e-mail was about Sky's greed in
 only letting Ch. 4 show only one 
 live FI race this season, the British
 GP! Only one comment followed on 
 from that! Cheers, Dave
 
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From keithwicksuk at gmail.com  Thu May  2 01:06:37 2019
From: keithwicksuk at gmail.com (Keith Wicks)
Date: Thu, 2 May 2019 07:06:37 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] F1
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References: <bim2tg22r0id12nvocl5qk2o.1556453622213@email.android.com>
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*... only letting Ch. 4...*
or
*... letting only Ch. 4...*
or just
... letting Ch. 4... ?

I suspect that someone has some strong feelings about this.
KW

On Wed, 1 May 2019 at 23:35, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
wrote:

> Well, (another popular start to a statement - as well as 'SO'), I
> certainly managed to stir the linguists among us, but the original point
> of my e-mail was about Sky's greed in only letting Ch. 4 show only one
> live FI race this season, the British GP! Only one comment followed on
> from that! Cheers, Dave
>
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From vernon.dyer at btinternet.com  Thu May  2 03:36:42 2019
From: vernon.dyer at btinternet.com (vernon.dyer)
Date: Thu, 02 May 2019 09:36:42 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] F1
Message-ID: <xq65i839m2dr8y3jh06euoee.1556786202644@email.android.com>

No comment.?But thanks, Dave, for reminding us of the original message - I for one had completely forgotten!?VSent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.-------- Original message --------From: Keith Wicks <keithwicksuk at gmail.com> Date: 02/05/2019  07:06  (GMT+00:00) To: "dave.mdv" <dave.mdv at btinternet.com> Cc: Vernon Dyer <vernon.dyer at btinternet.com>, tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> Subject: Re: [Tech1] F1 ... only letting Ch. 4...or... letting only Ch. 4...or just... letting Ch. 4...??I suspect that someone has some strong feelings about this.KWOn Wed, 1 May 2019 at 23:35, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:Well, (another popular start to a statement - as well as 'SO'), I 
certainly managed to stir the linguists among us, but the original point 
of my e-mail was about Sky's greed in only letting Ch. 4 show only one 
live FI race this season, the British GP! Only one comment followed on 
from that! Cheers, Dave

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From robert.miles at soundsuper.co.uk  Fri May  3 04:46:36 2019
From: robert.miles at soundsuper.co.uk (Robert Miles)
Date: Fri, 3 May 2019 10:46:36 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Windows 10 May update
Message-ID: <002201d50195$19ad4b80$4d07e280$@soundsuper.co.uk>

With Windows 7 reaching 'end of life' in just over 6 months' time, there is
a video here with some good tips prior to installing the forthcoming Win 10
update -

 
<https://www.techrepublic.com/videos/windows-10-may-2019-update-everything-y
ou-need-to-know/>
https://www.techrepublic.com/videos/windows-10-may-2019-update-everything-yo
u-need-to-know/

 

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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Fri May  3 05:20:43 2019
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Fri, 3 May 2019 11:20:43 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Windows 10 May update
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References: <002201d50195$19ad4b80$4d07e280$@soundsuper.co.uk>
Message-ID: <90fff994-3e40-727a-d71d-190b014d9b7c@gmail.com>

I have a number of drives inside my machine.? I think I'll just hope for 
the best - I can always change the drive letters back to what they were 
before.

B



On 03/05/2019 10:46, Robert Miles via Tech1 wrote:
>
> With Windows 7 reaching ?end of life? in just over 6 months? time, 
> there is a video here with some good tips prior to installing the 
> forthcoming Win 10 update ?
>
> https://www.techrepublic.com/videos/windows-10-may-2019-update-everything-you-need-to-know/
>
> Rob
>
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From mikej at bmanor.co.uk  Fri May  3 05:51:26 2019
From: mikej at bmanor.co.uk (Mike Jordan)
Date: Fri, 3 May 2019 11:51:26 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Windows 10 May update
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References: <002201d50195$19ad4b80$4d07e280$@soundsuper.co.uk>
Message-ID: <C6D77947F91C4C8BBF08289DF3F73623@Gigabyte>

Acres and acres of good stuff on this subject with the ever helpful Jack Schofield on The Guardian.
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/askjack/2019/may/02/will-i-be-forced-to-upgrade-windows-7-to-windows-10

Mike

From: Robert Miles via Tech1 
Sent: Friday, May 03, 2019 10:46 AM
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk 
Subject: [Tech1] Windows 10 May update

With Windows 7 reaching ?end of life? in just over 6 months? time, there is a video here with some good tips prior to installing the forthcoming Win 10 update ?

https://www.techrepublic.com/videos/windows-10-may-2019-update-everything-you-need-to-know/

 

Rob

 

 



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From waresound at msn.com  Fri May  3 08:22:40 2019
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Fri, 3 May 2019 13:22:40 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Windows 10 May update
In-Reply-To: <002201d50195$19ad4b80$4d07e280$@soundsuper.co.uk>
References: <002201d50195$19ad4b80$4d07e280$@soundsuper.co.uk>
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Personally, I can?t see any good reason to hang onto Win7 anymore. There were plenty of things to hate about Vista and Win8, but there?s nothing to be afraid of in Win10, and much to gain by upgrading.
I personalise Win10 using the ?Classic? Windows desktop option. That way, it looks and feels like Win7 if that?s your preference, as it is mine. It seems to me that most of the negative comment you read about Win10 is by people who haven?t realised you can do that.

And, for the best and most crystal clear file management software you might like to try Directory Opus by GP Software. Directory Opus is much easier to use than the clumsy Windows Explorer, and shows you exactly, all in one window consisting of two drag and drop ?listers?, where everything is. It makes file management so easy that I can?t understand why Microsoft haven?t bought them out long ago. It can be as simple or as complex as you want it to be, all easily customisable.

My three ha?pence worth,
Nick.
Sent from my iPad

On 3 May 2019, at 10:47, Robert Miles via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk<mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:

With Windows 7 reaching ?end of life? in just over 6 months? time, there is a video here with some good tips prior to installing the forthcoming Win 10 update ?
https://www.techrepublic.com/videos/windows-10-may-2019-update-everything-you-need-to-know/

Rob

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From jpn at imixmics.co.uk  Sat May  4 08:29:37 2019
From: jpn at imixmics.co.uk (John Nottage)
Date: Sat, 4 May 2019 14:29:37 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Local elections
Message-ID: <1c56a291-64b2-c0b8-a402-f52625a918a5@imixmics.co.uk>

 From the local newspaper:

? Biggest win? ? David Beavan in Southwold may have recorded Suffolk's 
largest win when he got a whopping 80.1% share of the vote, more than 
1,000 more votes than his nearest rival, Conservative Michael Ladd.

Of course, with a name like that I had to vote for him. It also helps 
that he's a man who says want he thinks & gets things done...

John


From pat.heigham at amps.net  Sat May  4 08:52:29 2019
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Sat, 4 May 2019 14:52:29 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Local elections
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Our little Council in Mole Valley, Surrey, suffered an humiliating 
rebuff for the Conservative candidates, with Lim Dems taking some more seats.
The Cons managed not to field a candidate for one of the wards. An administrative error!
Well, if they cannot administer something that important, they don?t deserve to be elected, anywhere!
Pat

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From: John Nottage via Tech1
Sent: 04 May 2019 14:29
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: [Tech1] Local elections

 From the local newspaper:

? Biggest win? ? David Beavan in Southwold may have recorded Suffolk's 
largest win when he got a whopping 80.1% share of the vote, more than 
1,000 more votes than his nearest rival, Conservative Michael Ladd.

Of course, with a name like that I had to vote for him. It also helps 
that he's a man who says want he thinks & gets things done...

John

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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Sat May  4 09:21:45 2019
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Sat, 4 May 2019 15:21:45 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] F1
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Mike?s example, I believe to be an Americanism.

Reminds me of a day off in Daytona, Florida, when I went in search of lunch at a shopping mall.
Spying an establishment labelled ?Chick-Fil-A?
(apparently serving a ?chicken-burger?)
I asked for: ?A Chick-Fil-Ah? please.
?That?s ?Chick-Fil- Ay? Sir! (Like filet mignon, I suppose).

(And they still can?t spell aluminium!)
The job I was on, was to follow Barry Sheene, the motorcycle racer.
We went to a Macdonalds opposite the raceway, for our first lunchbreak. I was impressed with the speed of service ? a girl took our order at the head of the queue, by the time we had paid at the till, there was our purchase. However, being unused to US currency (before UK went decimal), I was fumbling with the coinage, and the girl on the till was getting impatient. Apologising, I explained that I was English. ?Oh, gee! Say something in English!?
?I just did!?
On future visits, we were made most welcome!

?Gotten? is used, because it came from the old English imported by the Mayflower immigrants, I believe. So that?s our fault!

Pat


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From: Mike Giles via Tech1
Sent: 01 May 2019 13:11
To: geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com; Tech Ops
Cc: tech1
Subject: Re: [Tech1] F1

Yet another illogical one - when giving a drinks or food order at the table, I?ve often heard people say ?Can I get so and so?? rather than ?Can I have????

Mike G





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From ohbytheway.tv at gmail.com  Sat May  4 09:50:26 2019
From: ohbytheway.tv at gmail.com (David Denness)
Date: Sat, 4 May 2019 15:50:26 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] F1
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Pat,

Aluminum is how it is spelled in the periodic table

Dave D

 

From: Tech1 <tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk> On Behalf Of patheigham via Tech1
Sent: 04 May 2019 15:22
To: Mike Giles <mibridge at mac.com>; geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com; Tech Ops <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
Cc: tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [Tech1] F1

 

Mike?s example, I believe to be an Americanism.

 

Reminds me of a day off in Daytona, Florida, when I went in search of lunch at a shopping mall.

Spying an establishment labelled ?Chick-Fil-A?

(apparently serving a ?chicken-burger?)

I asked for: ?A Chick-Fil-Ah? please.

?That?s ?Chick-Fil- Ay? Sir! (Like filet mignon, I suppose).

 

(And they still can?t spell aluminium!)

The job I was on, was to follow Barry Sheene, the motorcycle racer.

We went to a Macdonalds opposite the raceway, for our first lunchbreak. I was impressed with the speed of service ? a girl took our order at the head of the queue, by the time we had paid at the till, there was our purchase. However, being unused to US currency (before UK went decimal), I was fumbling with the coinage, and the girl on the till was getting impatient. Apologising, I explained that I was English. ?Oh, gee! Say something in English!?

?I just did!?

On future visits, we were made most welcome!

 

?Gotten? is used, because it came from the old English imported by the Mayflower immigrants, I believe. So that?s our fault!

 

Pat

 

 

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Cc: tech1 <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> 
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Yet another illogical one - when giving a drinks or food order at the table, I?ve often heard people say ?Can I get so and so?? rather than ?Can I have????

 

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From mibridge at mac.com  Sat May  4 10:55:26 2019
From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles)
Date: Sat, 4 May 2019 16:55:26 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] F1
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?So? that will be an American version of the table, will it? I always thinks aluminum makes the speaker sound as if he/she has a speech impediment! I?m impressed that my American phone thinks the American spelling is wrong.

Wikipedia refers to the alternative spelling for USA and Canada, but continues to talk about aluminium in the text. 

Mike G


> On 4 May 2019, at 15:50, David Denness via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Pat,
> Aluminum is how it is spelled in the periodic table
> Dave D
>  
> From: Tech1 <tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk> On Behalf Of patheigham via Tech1
> Sent: 04 May 2019 15:22
> To: Mike Giles <mibridge at mac.com>; geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com; Tech Ops <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> Cc: tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> Subject: Re: [Tech1] F1
>  
> Mike?s example, I believe to be an Americanism.
>  
> Reminds me of a day off in Daytona, Florida, when I went in search of lunch at a shopping mall.
> Spying an establishment labelled ?Chick-Fil-A?
> (apparently serving a ?chicken-burger?)
> I asked for: ?A Chick-Fil-Ah? please.
> ?That?s ?Chick-Fil- Ay? Sir! (Like filet mignon, I suppose).
>  
> (And they still can?t spell aluminium!)
> The job I was on, was to follow Barry Sheene, the motorcycle racer.
> We went to a Macdonalds opposite the raceway, for our first lunchbreak. I was impressed with the speed of service ? a girl took our order at the head of the queue, by the time we had paid at the till, there was our purchase. However, being unused to US currency (before UK went decimal), I was fumbling with the coinage, and the girl on the till was getting impatient. Apologising, I explained that I was English. ?Oh, gee! Say something in English!?
> ?I just did!?
> On future visits, we were made most welcome!
>  
> ?Gotten? is used, because it came from the old English imported by the Mayflower immigrants, I believe. So that?s our fault!
>  
> Pat
>  
>  
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>  
> From: Mike Giles via Tech1
> Sent: 01 May 2019 13:11
> To: geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com; Tech Ops
> Cc: tech1
> Subject: Re: [Tech1] F1
>  
> Yet another illogical one - when giving a drinks or food order at the table, I?ve often heard people say ?Can I get so and so?? rather than ?Can I have????
>  
> Mike G
>  
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Sat May  4 13:48:12 2019
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Sat, 4 May 2019 19:48:12 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] F1
In-Reply-To: <494C93E9-A051-4636-9296-AA8C2C310741@mac.com>
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I agree, Mike G.
And see:
http://www.rsc.org/periodic-table/

which is the Royal Society of Chemistry site.
Click on Al.
I?ll go with that!


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From: Mike Giles
Sent: 04 May 2019 16:55
To: ohbytheway.tv at gmail.com
Cc: patheigham; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Tech1] F1

?So? that will be an American version of the table, will it? I always thinks aluminum makes the speaker sound as if he/she has a speech impediment! I?m impressed that my American phone thinks the American spelling is wrong.

Wikipedia refers to the alternative spelling for USA and Canada, but continues to talk about aluminium in the text.?

Mike G


On 4 May 2019, at 15:50, David Denness via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
Pat,
Aluminum is how it is spelled in the periodic table
Dave D
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From keithwicksuk at gmail.com  Sun May  5 01:27:02 2019
From: keithwicksuk at gmail.com (Keith Wicks)
Date: Sun, 5 May 2019 07:27:02 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] F1
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"... And they still can?t spell aluminium!..."
I expect that's what the Americans say about us too. Americans use Sir
Humphrey Davy's original English spelling (aluminum). But we quickly added
an i to make it look more like the names of other elements, such as sodium
and calcium. "Two nations divided by a common language", as someone once
said.
KW

On Sat, 4 May 2019 at 15:22, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
wrote:

> Mike?s example, I believe to be an Americanism.
>
>
>
> Reminds me of a day off in Daytona, Florida, when I went in search of
> lunch at a shopping mall.
>
> Spying an establishment labelled ?Chick-Fil-A?
>
> (apparently serving a ?chicken-burger?)
>
> I asked for: ?A Chick-Fil-Ah? please.
>
> ?That?s ?Chick-Fil- Ay? Sir! (Like fi*let* mignon, I suppose).
>
>
>
> (And they still can?t spell aluminium!)
>
> The job I was on, was to follow Barry Sheene, the motorcycle racer.
>
> We went to a Macdonalds opposite the raceway, for our first lunchbreak. I
> was impressed with the speed of service ? a girl took our order at the head
> of the queue, by the time we had paid at the till, there was our purchase.
> However, being unused to US currency (before UK went decimal), I was
> fumbling with the coinage, and the girl on the till was getting impatient.
> Apologising, I explained that I was English. ?Oh, gee! Say something in
> English!?
>
> ?I just did!?
>
> On future visits, we were made most welcome!
>
>
>
> ?Gotten? is used, because it came from the old English imported by the
> Mayflower immigrants, I believe. So that?s our fault!
>
>
>
> Pat
>
>
>
>
>
> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
> Windows 10
>
>
>
> *From: *Mike Giles via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> *Sent: *01 May 2019 13:11
> *To: *geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com; Tech Ops <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> *Cc: *tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> *Subject: *Re: [Tech1] F1
>
>
>
> Yet another illogical one - when giving a drinks or food order at the
> table, I?ve often heard people say ?Can I *get* so and so?? rather than
> ?Can I *have*????
>
>
>
> Mike G
>
>
>
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From susiepratt2015 at gmail.com  Sun May  5 02:55:06 2019
From: susiepratt2015 at gmail.com (Susie Pratt)
Date: Sun, 5 May 2019 08:55:06 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] camera cards/crib cards/for marking up camera positions
Message-ID: <CAJg5Fw1jhCDJhvQPsbrKeejyJjc=643xD2vEUUeT9CgQka8Qqg@mail.gmail.com>

Hello any TV studio cameramen out there

I have a small TV studio at the University of Surrey and I am trying to
develop good practice on the studio floor for the student camera persons.
I have been looking for the camera cards that I used to get in TV studios
to mark up shots during a rehearsal.  I know they looked like a small
ringbinder with the rings mounted at the top so you could flip the pages
back once you have finished the shot.

Is that what I should do? Or is there a purpose build solution?

Best Wishes

Susan
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From colin at colinhassell.com  Sun May  5 04:24:06 2019
From: colin at colinhassell.com (Colin Hassell)
Date: Sun, 5 May 2019 10:24:06 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] camera cards/crib cards/for marking up camera positions
In-Reply-To: <CAJg5Fw1jhCDJhvQPsbrKeejyJjc=643xD2vEUUeT9CgQka8Qqg@mail.gmail.com>
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Hi Susie

I?m a Soundman but I can recommend OB Mech-Tech:
https://www.obmechtech.co.uk/ <https://www.obmechtech.co.uk/>

David Yates & Stuart Barber are ex-BBC OBs Mechanical Workshop and can make/fix all kinds of weird and wonderful things.

They recently made some Camera Card Holders for us here, at BT Sport Studios.


All the best

-- 
Colin Hassell

colin at colinhassell.com <mailto:colin at colinhassell.com>
+44-(0)7973-802722
St Albans, Herts, UK

> On 5 May 2019, at 08:55, Susie Pratt via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Hello any TV studio cameramen out there
> 
> I have a small TV studio at the University of Surrey and I am trying to develop good practice on the studio floor for the student camera persons.  I have been looking for the camera cards that I used to get in TV studios to mark up shots during a rehearsal.  I know they looked like a small ringbinder with the rings mounted at the top so you could flip the pages back once you have finished the shot.  
> 
> Is that what I should do? Or is there a purpose build solution?  
> 
> Best Wishes
> 
> Susan
> 
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From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk  Sun May  5 06:06:01 2019
From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf)
Date: Sun, 5 May 2019 12:06:01 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] camera cards/crib cards/for marking up camera positions
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It is important to remember that the camera cards, floor marker symbols 
and other techniques used "classically" by camerapeople were because 
they used the technology available. They may still be applicable, but 
you should also be thinking of new techniques which achieve the same end 
but perhaps using newer technology.

The card system worked very well with the mammoth cameras of yesteryear, 
but might be considered clumsy nowadays, where smaller cameras are 
employed. You ~might~ want to consider using a mobile phone or tablet as 
a note-taking and displaying device - more compact, easier to read in 
dark corners, and no page turning noise. Some studios are beginning to 
use the equivalent of a short-range GPS system for positioning 
equipment, sets and even people. These ~might~ become more suitable than 
floor chalk and tape.

Whatever you use needs to be silent, easy to use and to change, and to 
give the same benefits that the cards etc ~used~ to give, but don't be 
hidebound by what was done 40 odd years ago. Like editing - it used to 
be done entirely mechanically because there ~was~ no other method, but 
the computer achieves the same purpose far more easily and far faster 
nowadays. Yet the ~purpose~ of editing hasn't changed. The same applies 
to all craft techniques - understand the underlying purpose, but don't 
be a slave to "how it's always been done".

Be inventive;}

Chris Woolf



On 05/05/2019 08:55, Susie Pratt via Tech1 wrote:
> Hello any TV studio cameramen out there
>
> I have a small TV studio at the University of Surrey and I am trying 
> to develop good practice on the studio floor for the student camera 
> persons.? I have been looking for the camera cards that I used to get 
> in TV studios to mark up shots during a rehearsal.? I know they looked 
> like a small ringbinder with the rings mounted at the top so you could 
> flip the pages back once you have finished the shot.
>
> Is that what I should do? Or is there a purpose build solution?
>
> Best Wishes
>
> Susan
>
>


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From colinhazelwood at btinternet.com  Sun May  5 06:31:48 2019
From: colinhazelwood at btinternet.com (Colin Hazelwood)
Date: Sun, 5 May 2019 12:31:48 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] F1
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> On 5 May 2019, at 07:27, Keith Wicks via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> "... And they still can?t spell aluminium!..."
> I expect that's what the Americans say about us too. Americans use Sir Humphrey Davy's original English spelling (aluminum). But we quickly added an i to make it look more like the names of other elements, such as sodium and calcium. "Two nations divided by a common language", as someone once said.
> KW

In 1886 the American chemist Charles Hall developed a technique of extracting the very rare and expensive periodic element 13 using an electrolysis method. When he applied for patents he used the international spelling (and pronunciation) - aluminium in line with other recently discovered elements.

He dropped the ?I? when he founded The Aluminum Company of America, (ALCOA) which aligned his product with the classy element, Platinum. His new metal caught on so quickly and grew so economically important that ?aluminium? becameindelibly stamped on the American psyche.

As always in the United States, money talks!


All the best.

Colin Hazelwood.

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From keithwicksuk at gmail.com  Sun May  5 10:57:38 2019
From: keithwicksuk at gmail.com (Keith Wicks)
Date: Sun, 5 May 2019 16:57:38 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] F1
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I was wrong to say that *aluminum* was Davy's original spelling. He was the
first to name the metal, but originally (1808) he called it *alumium*.
After objections from various European scientists, Davy renamed the metal
*aluminum* (1812). But, in that same year, English scientist Thomas Young
argued that *aluminium* was a more appropriate name, and that soon became
the term used by most scientists worldwide. It was generally accepted by
the British public too.

The term *aluminum* became more popular with the American public following
its inclusion in Webster's Dictionary (1828). The Pittsburgh Reduction
Company became the Aluminum Company of America in 1907, by which time
*aluminum* had already become the term normally used by the majority of the
American public.

Currently, the scientific body responsible for naming the metal calls it
*aluminium*, with *aluminum* given as an acceptable alternative. I find
both spellings acceptable too.

KW

On Sun, 5 May 2019 at 12:31, Colin Hazelwood <colinhazelwood at btinternet.com>
wrote:

>
> On 5 May 2019, at 07:27, Keith Wicks via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
> "... And they still can?t spell aluminium!..."
> I expect that's what the Americans say about us too. Americans use Sir
> Humphrey Davy's original English spelling (aluminum). But we quickly added
> an i to make it look more like the names of other elements, such as
> sodium and calcium. "Two nations divided by a common language", as someone
> once said.
> KW
>
>
> In 1886 the American chemist Charles Hall developed a technique of
> extracting the very rare and expensive periodic element 13 using an
> electrolysis method. When he applied for patents he used the international
> spelling (and pronunciation) - aluminium in line with other recently
> discovered elements.
>
> He dropped the ?I? when he founded The Aluminum Company of America,
> (ALCOA) which aligned his product with the classy element, Platinum. His
> new metal caught on so quickly and grew so economically important that
> ?aluminium? becameindelibly stamped on the American psyche.
>
> As always in the United States, money talks!
>
>
> All the best.
>
> Colin Hazelwood.
>
>
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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Mon May  6 03:56:25 2019
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Mon, 6 May 2019 09:56:25 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Birdcam
Message-ID: <537429e7-9360-3247-4a44-bbed92c3d93d@gmail.com>

Birdcam is live again -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hbkBSZnR1c

They've been around a few days now. Unfortunately she built the nest 
right at the back of the box, so off screen a bit, and out of focus 
slightly.? I wonder if they'll manage to fledge this year?

B
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Mon May  6 09:49:28 2019
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Mon, 6 May 2019 15:49:28 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Memories of Wood Norton
Message-ID: <5cd0497e.1c69fb81.6811c.64fa@mx.google.com>

Couple of fond memories:
TPO Course 13
There was a rather older member who I think had been in the services.
Frank Smith.
One night in the Evesham Club, Reg the steward was behind the bar and trying to interest us in a competition.
Holding a coin on his forehead, he said: ?Now, put this funnel in the waistband of your trousers, the coin on your forehead
and try and tip the coin into it?.
Frank played dumb. ?Don?t understand?
Reg demonstrated, tucking the funnel into his own trousers.
At that point, Frank tipped his pint into the funnel, soaking Reg, which what he was going to do!

STO Course 21
This finished up near Christmas 1966. Instead of the obligatory programme, mounted for the benefit of the
tutors to see what we had learned! we rebelled and put on a pantomime in the dance hall of the Evesham Club.
There was a load of talent on our course who wrote and directed a version of ?Dick Whittington?.
Ian Leiper played a Sultan, in baggy silk pants ? Eric Wallis was a street-wise cat, who guided a rather dim Dick
Into the vagaries of a big city. My mum made him a velvet tail which he carried insouciantly over his arm, and a top hat sporting cat ears.
There was a recitation, along the lines of ?Albert and the Lion? written by a couple of guys, who really should have been
BBC scriptwriters. What talent hid under the aegis of Tech-Ops! (attached).

Best 
Pat




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From graeme.wall at icloud.com  Mon May  6 10:27:25 2019
From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall)
Date: Mon, 6 May 2019 16:27:25 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Memories of Wood Norton
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Talking of Wood Norton, I stayed there on Saturday, exactly 50 years after I last stayed there, though not in such comfort.

? 
Graeme Wall


> On 6 May 2019, at 15:49, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Couple of fond memories:
> TPO Course 13
> There was a rather older member who I think had been in the services.
> Frank Smith.
> One night in the Evesham Club, Reg the steward was behind the bar and trying to interest us in a competition.
> Holding a coin on his forehead, he said: ?Now, put this funnel in the waistband of your trousers, the coin on your forehead
> and try and tip the coin into it?.
> Frank played dumb. ?Don?t understand?
> Reg demonstrated, tucking the funnel into his own trousers.
> At that point, Frank tipped his pint into the funnel, soaking Reg, which what he was going to do!
>  
> STO Course 21
> This finished up near Christmas 1966. Instead of the obligatory programme, mounted for the benefit of the
> tutors to see what we had learned! we rebelled and put on a pantomime in the dance hall of the Evesham Club.
> There was a load of talent on our course who wrote and directed a version of ?Dick Whittington?.
> Ian Leiper played a Sultan, in baggy silk pants ? Eric Wallis was a street-wise cat, who guided a rather dim Dick
> Into the vagaries of a big city. My mum made him a velvet tail which he carried insouciantly over his arm, and a top hat sporting cat ears.
> There was a recitation, along the lines of ?Albert and the Lion? written by a couple of guys, who really should have been
> BBC scriptwriters. What talent hid under the aegis of Tech-Ops! (attached).
>  
> Best 
> Pat
>  
>  
> 
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From alawrance1 at me.com  Mon May  6 10:43:30 2019
From: alawrance1 at me.com (Alasdair Lawrance)
Date: Mon, 6 May 2019 16:43:30 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Memories of Wood Norton
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I remember Reg would sometimes walk out from behind the bar with a pair of kid?s boxing gloves stuffed down his trousers.

Alasdair Lawrance
alawrance1 at me.com






> On 6 May 2019, at 16:27, Graeme Wall via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Talking of Wood Norton, I stayed there on Saturday, exactly 50 years after I last stayed there, though not in such comfort.
> 
> ? 
> Graeme Wall
> 
> <Wood Norton 1.jpg>
> 
>> On 6 May 2019, at 15:49, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:
>> 
>> Couple of fond memories:
>> TPO Course 13
>> There was a rather older member who I think had been in the services.
>> Frank Smith.
>> One night in the Evesham Club, Reg the steward was behind the bar and trying to interest us in a competition.
>> Holding a coin on his forehead, he said: ?Now, put this funnel in the waistband of your trousers, the coin on your forehead
>> and try and tip the coin into it?.
>> Frank played dumb. ?Don?t understand?
>> Reg demonstrated, tucking the funnel into his own trousers.
>> At that point, Frank tipped his pint into the funnel, soaking Reg, which what he was going to do!
>>  
>> STO Course 21
>> This finished up near Christmas 1966. Instead of the obligatory programme, mounted for the benefit of the
>> tutors to see what we had learned! we rebelled and put on a pantomime in the dance hall of the Evesham Club.
>> There was a load of talent on our course who wrote and directed a version of ?Dick Whittington?.
>> Ian Leiper played a Sultan, in baggy silk pants ? Eric Wallis was a street-wise cat, who guided a rather dim Dick
>> Into the vagaries of a big city. My mum made him a velvet tail which he carried insouciantly over his arm, and a top hat sporting cat ears.
>> There was a recitation, along the lines of ?Albert and the Lion? written by a couple of guys, who really should have been
>> BBC scriptwriters. What talent hid under the aegis of Tech-Ops! (attached).
>>  
>> Best 
>> Pat
>>  
>>  
>> 
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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Mon May  6 12:45:10 2019
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Mon, 6 May 2019 18:45:10 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Memories of Wood Norton
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The funnel trick happened on TO11 1961, unfortunately, the recipient of 
the wet trousers was Derek Rae, a black-belt judo expert from Belfast, 
with no sense of humour! He was terminated after the course for 
practising his judo on Chilton Inglis in a corridor of 'D' block and 
really hurting him! Cheers, Dave


From keithwicksuk at gmail.com  Mon May  6 14:50:58 2019
From: keithwicksuk at gmail.com (Keith Wicks)
Date: Mon, 6 May 2019 20:50:58 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Memories of Wood Norton
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I was standing next to them when Reg played that trick on Derek. Everyone
became silent, expecting Derek to become violent. Relief and amazement all
round when, after a brief pause, he smiled and said what a good trick it
was.
KW

On Mon, 6 May 2019 at 18:45, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
wrote:

> The funnel trick happened on TO11 1961, unfortunately, the recipient of
> the wet trousers was Derek Rae, a black-belt judo expert from Belfast,
> with no sense of humour! He was terminated after the course for
> practising his judo on Chilton Inglis in a corridor of 'D' block and
> really hurting him! Cheers, Dave
>
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From alawrance1 at me.com  Wed May  8 03:00:57 2019
From: alawrance1 at me.com (Alasdair Lawrance)
Date: Wed, 8 May 2019 09:00:57 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] BBC Clickbait.
Message-ID: <8EF120A1-AEDA-49DB-97F2-B03B4098706E@me.com>

Change of subject?..

There?s a bit about ?Friends? on the Beeb site explaining how we?re seeing a ?blooper? now.  It goes like this - 

??..?Friends? was originally filmed in a standard aspect ratio (4:3), whereas today we?re watching them on a widescreen standard ratio (16:9).  In other words, maybe you can see more in a shot now that (sic) you were originally meant to.?


Can?t quite see it myself?..!


Alasdair Lawrance
alawrance1 at me.com






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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Wed May  8 06:58:58 2019
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Wed, 8 May 2019 12:58:58 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Tech1 mailing list
Message-ID: <6d3bf94e-3420-03cd-c8f7-d68e036de7ae@gmail.com>

Hi All

A discussion with Geoff Hawkes this morning set me off on trying to 
export the tech1 address list (again). I've tried to work it out before 
but now I've succeeded, and now I have, and it turns out that anyone on 
the list can do it. To save you the task, the tech1 addresses are below. 
I have a feeling that not everyone listed is still with us, but I don't 
know who they are. Please let me know if you do.

And - tech1 has always had minor niggles which the announce list doesn't 
appear to have. Now that I have the list, I'm going to make up a tech2 
list for safety, then delete and rebuild tech1. It'll happen some time 
in the next few days.

B

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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Wed May  8 07:52:47 2019
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Wed, 8 May 2019 13:52:47 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Tech1 mailing list
In-Reply-To: <5cd2cd72.1c69fb81.449c9.be20@mx.google.com>
References: <6d3bf94e-3420-03cd-c8f7-d68e036de7ae@gmail.com>
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Hi Pat
Sorry - I meant anyone on the list, not outsiders
B

On Wed, 8 May 2019, 13:37 patheigham, <pat.heigham at amps.net> wrote:

> Bernie,
>
> I?m a bit worried that the e-mailing list is now open to hacking,
>
> as you have published the recipients, should this message be intercepted.
>
> The point about Bcc is that a group out-mailing means that other e-mail
> addresses are not visible.
>
> I?ll let you know if I start getting SCAM e-mails, although I believe that
> the tech1 server is based with g-mail? Which is extremely good at stopping
> scam material.
>
> My other e-mail circuit is with AMPS (Association of Motion Picture Sound)
> which *is* administered via g-mail and I never get any spam via that
> route.
>
> As for my addresses, you can delete patheigham at amps.net (without the dot
> between pat and heigham).
>
> Don?t know if patric at btinternet refers to me ? I also have a @btinternet
> address, but it does include my surname.
>
>
>
> Best
>
> Pat
>
>
>
> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
> Windows 10
>
>
>
> *From: *Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> *Sent: *08 May 2019 12:59
> *To: *tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> *Subject: *[Tech1] Tech1 mailing list
>
>
>
> Hi All
>
> A discussion with Geoff Hawkes this morning set me off on trying to export
> the tech1 address list (again). I've tried to work it out before but now
> I've succeeded, and now I have, and it turns out that anyone on the list
> can do it. To save you the task, the tech1 addresses are below. I have a
> feeling that not everyone listed is still with us, but I don't know who
> they are. Please let me know if you do.
>
> And - tech1 has always had minor niggles which the announce list doesn't
> appear to have. Now that I have the list, I'm going to make up a tech2 list
> for safety, then delete and rebuild tech1.  It'll happen some time in the
> next few days.
>
> B
>
>
>
>
>
> <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient> Virus-free.
> www.avast.com
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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Wed May  8 07:56:13 2019
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Wed, 8 May 2019 13:56:13 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Tech1 mailing list
In-Reply-To: <CAA7MLyHGjNoR2MqAyxcsPe6zgkJAqng-o+Ud8_uBu-n0d3qTJg@mail.gmail.com>
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	<CAA7MLyHGjNoR2MqAyxcsPe6zgkJAqng-o+Ud8_uBu-n0d3qTJg@mail.gmail.com>
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Every so often tech1 receives a spam email, presumably because someone's
address list was hacked at some point. The email only gets to me, because I
told the system to send them, apart from that it's just bounced
B

On Wed, 8 May 2019, 13:52 Bernard Newnham, <bernie833 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Pat
> Sorry - I meant anyone on the list, not outsiders
> B
>
> On Wed, 8 May 2019, 13:37 patheigham, <pat.heigham at amps.net> wrote:
>
>> Bernie,
>>
>> I?m a bit worried that the e-mailing list is now open to hacking,
>>
>> as you have published the recipients, should this message be intercepted.
>>
>> The point about Bcc is that a group out-mailing means that other e-mail
>> addresses are not visible.
>>
>> I?ll let you know if I start getting SCAM e-mails, although I believe
>> that the tech1 server is based with g-mail? Which is extremely good at
>> stopping scam material.
>>
>> My other e-mail circuit is with AMPS (Association of Motion Picture
>> Sound) which *is* administered via g-mail and I never get any spam via
>> that route.
>>
>> As for my addresses, you can delete patheigham at amps.net (without the dot
>> between pat and heigham).
>>
>> Don?t know if patric at btinternet refers to me ? I also have a @btinternet
>> address, but it does include my surname.
>>
>>
>>
>> Best
>>
>> Pat
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
>> Windows 10
>>
>>
>>
>> *From: *Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
>> *Sent: *08 May 2019 12:59
>> *To: *tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>> *Subject: *[Tech1] Tech1 mailing list
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi All
>>
>> A discussion with Geoff Hawkes this morning set me off on trying to
>> export the tech1 address list (again). I've tried to work it out before but
>> now I've succeeded, and now I have, and it turns out that anyone on the
>> list can do it. To save you the task, the tech1 addresses are below. I have
>> a feeling that not everyone listed is still with us, but I don't know who
>> they are. Please let me know if you do.
>>
>> And - tech1 has always had minor niggles which the announce list doesn't
>> appear to have. Now that I have the list, I'm going to make up a tech2 list
>> for safety, then delete and rebuild tech1.  It'll happen some time in the
>> next few days.
>>
>> B
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient> Virus-free.
>> www.avast.com
>> <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient>
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Wed May  8 13:00:50 2019
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Wed, 8 May 2019 19:00:50 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] BBC Clickbait.
In-Reply-To: <8EF120A1-AEDA-49DB-97F2-B03B4098706E@me.com>
References: <8EF120A1-AEDA-49DB-97F2-B03B4098706E@me.com>
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Reckon they?ve got it -rs-e about f-c-.
If a 4:3 aspect is put onto a 14:9 or 16:9 screen, most modern TV?s will display with the picture centered
and black bars either side. Therefore the viewer will see the whole original frame.
If the transmission is ?cropped?, i.e. only the centre part of the 4:3 image is shown, there will be bits of the top and bottom not visible,
So a load of b-ll-cks.

I experienced a couple of occasions, where the camera viewfinder was hatched for safe area for cinema projection in 1.85:1.
I (Boom Op) worked on a picture directed by Polish Andrzej Wajda, who did not believe that the Brits could get usable sync sound.
My mixer & I knew we could.

Sammies, who supplied the 35mm Arri, put in a viewfinder glass which gave the shaded limits of 1.85:1, I think, and so the operator let the mic into what was thought to be a safe area.
Unfortunately, they had not hard masked the gate, though, and what was photographed, was the full frame 4:3. Our Polish visitor was apoplectic on viewing rushes, and said, no wonder we could get live sound if the mike's in shot!
(Went off back to Poland, muttering curses ? it didn?t do anything for our expertise). Problem being that the gate should have been hard masked, or the rushes he saw, not in 4:3.
This also happened on another occasion - I was booming on a movie shot at Shepperton. The cinema release would be 1.85:1, but the photographed frame was 4:3.
Shown on TV, full frame, there was my 816 ? wagging about! I was pleased, however, that I got the favouring right!
Regards
Pat

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1
Sent: 08 May 2019 09:01
To: Tech Ops List
Subject: [Tech1] BBC Clickbait.

Change of subject?..

There?s a bit about ?Friends? on the Beeb site explaining how we?re seeing a ?blooper? now. ?It goes like this -?

??..?Friends? was originally filmed in a standard aspect ratio (4:3), whereas today we?re watching them on a widescreen standard ratio (16:9). ?In other words, maybe you can see more in a shot now that (sic) you were originally meant to.?


Can?t quite see it myself?..!

Alasdair Lawrance
alawrance1 at me.com








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From alawrance1 at me.com  Wed May  8 13:05:15 2019
From: alawrance1 at me.com (Alasdair Lawrance)
Date: Wed, 8 May 2019 19:05:15 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] BBC Clickbait.
In-Reply-To: <5cd31950.1c69fb81.c2a16.8454@mx.google.com>
References: <8EF120A1-AEDA-49DB-97F2-B03B4098706E@me.com>
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You?re right of course, Pat, I assume it was written by the YTS trainees, (if there?s something similar still going).

Sent from my iPad Pro.

> On 8 May 2019, at 19:00, patheigham <pat.heigham at amps.net> wrote:
> 
> Reckon they?ve got it -rs-e about f-c-.
> If a 4:3 aspect is put onto a 14:9 or 16:9 screen, most modern TV?s will display with the picture centered
> and black bars either side. Therefore the viewer will see the whole original frame.
> If the transmission is ?cropped?, i.e. only the centre part of the 4:3 image is shown, there will be bits of the top and bottom not visible,
> So a load of b-ll-cks.
>  
> I experienced a couple of occasions, where the camera viewfinder was hatched for safe area for cinema projection in 1.85:1.
> I (Boom Op) worked on a picture directed by Polish Andrzej Wajda, who did not believe that the Brits could get usable sync sound.
> My mixer & I knew we could.
> 
> Sammies, who supplied the 35mm Arri, put in a viewfinder glass which gave the shaded limits of 1.85:1, I think, and so the operator let the mic into what was thought to be a safe area.
> Unfortunately, they had not hard masked the gate, though, and what was photographed, was the full frame 4:3. Our Polish visitor was apoplectic on viewing rushes, and said, no wonder we could get live sound if the mike's in shot!
> (Went off back to Poland, muttering curses ? it didn?t do anything for our expertise). Problem being that the gate should have been hard masked, or the rushes he saw, not in 4:3.
> This also happened on another occasion - I was booming on a movie shot at Shepperton. The cinema release would be 1.85:1, but the photographed frame was 4:3.
> Shown on TV, full frame, there was my 816 ? wagging about! I was pleased, however, that I got the favouring right!
> Regards
> Pat
>  
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>  
> From: Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1
> Sent: 08 May 2019 09:01
> To: Tech Ops List
> Subject: [Tech1] BBC Clickbait.
>  
> Change of subject?..
>  
> There?s a bit about ?Friends? on the Beeb site explaining how we?re seeing a ?blooper? now.  It goes like this - 
>  
> ??..?Friends? was originally filmed in a standard aspect ratio (4:3), whereas today we?re watching them on a widescreen standard ratio (16:9).  In other words, maybe you can see more in a shot now that (sic) you were originally meant to.?
>  
>  
> Can?t quite see it myself?..!
>  
> 
> Alasdair Lawrance
> alawrance1 at me.com
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> 
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From alanaudio at me.com  Wed May  8 13:25:29 2019
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Wed, 8 May 2019 19:25:29 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] BBC Clickbait.
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I don't know much about the mechanics of cinema projection, but when I watched "Out of Africa" at my local cinema in 1985, I was a bit perturbed to keep spotting microphones, magic arms and even entire lamps in the top of frame.  I assumed that I was the only one to have noticed until there was a two handed dialogue scene where one microphone swung between the actors as they spoke.  There was a pause in the dialogue and the microphone smoothly moved over to favour one actor just as the other started to speak, requiring the microphone to whizz back back to cover that actor.  It prompted widespread laughter in the auditorium.

I assume that the movie was shot full frame with the unwanted part masked off in the viewfinder and when it was projected in my local cinema, the projector must have been set up incorrectly, revealing the part of the frame which was not meant to be seen.  I was surprised that the unwanted part of the frame was ever there on a distribution print and would have expected it to have been masked off properly when the print was made.

Alan Taylor



On 8 May 2019, at 8 May . 19:00, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

> Reckon they?ve got it -rs-e about f-c-.
> If a 4:3 aspect is put onto a 14:9 or 16:9 screen, most modern TV?s will display with the picture centered
> and black bars either side. Therefore the viewer will see the whole original frame.
> If the transmission is ?cropped?, i.e. only the centre part of the 4:3 image is shown, there will be bits of the top and bottom not visible,
> So a load of b-ll-cks.
>  
> I experienced a couple of occasions, where the camera viewfinder was hatched for safe area for cinema projection in 1.85:1.
> I (Boom Op) worked on a picture directed by Polish Andrzej Wajda, who did not believe that the Brits could get usable sync sound.
> My mixer & I knew we could.
> 
> Sammies, who supplied the 35mm Arri, put in a viewfinder glass which gave the shaded limits of 1.85:1, I think, and so the operator let the mic into what was thought to be a safe area.
> Unfortunately, they had not hard masked the gate, though, and what was photographed, was the full frame 4:3. Our Polish visitor was apoplectic on viewing rushes, and said, no wonder we could get live sound if the mike's in shot!
> (Went off back to Poland, muttering curses ? it didn?t do anything for our expertise). Problem being that the gate should have been hard masked, or the rushes he saw, not in 4:3.
> This also happened on another occasion - I was booming on a movie shot at Shepperton. The cinema release would be 1.85:1, but the photographed frame was 4:3.
> Shown on TV, full frame, there was my 816 ? wagging about! I was pleased, however, that I got the favouring right!
> Regards
> Pat
>  
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>  
> From: Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1
> Sent: 08 May 2019 09:01
> To: Tech Ops List
> Subject: [Tech1] BBC Clickbait.
>  
> Change of subject?..
>  
> There?s a bit about ?Friends? on the Beeb site explaining how we?re seeing a ?blooper? now.  It goes like this - 
>  
> ??..?Friends? was originally filmed in a standard aspect ratio (4:3), whereas today we?re watching them on a widescreen standard ratio (16:9).  In other words, maybe you can see more in a shot now that (sic) you were originally meant to.?
>  
>  
> Can?t quite see it myself?..!
>  
> 
> Alasdair Lawrance
> alawrance1 at me.com
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From paulvictork at uwclub.net  Wed May  8 13:57:56 2019
From: paulvictork at uwclub.net (paulvictork at uwclub.net)
Date: Wed, 08 May 2019 18:57:56 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Tech1 mailing list
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Thanks Bernie!!


On Wed, 8 May 2019 12:58:58 +0100, Bernard Newnham via Tech1  wrote:

 Hi All

A discussion with Geoff Hawkes this morning set me off on trying to export the tech1 address list (again). I've tried to work it out before but now I've succeeded, and now I have, and it turns out that anyone on the list can do it. To save you the task, the tech1 addresses are below. I have a feeling that not everyone listed is still with us, but I don't know who they are. Please let me know if you do.

And - tech1 has always had minor niggles which the announce list doesn't appear to have. Now that I have the list, I'm going to make up a tech2 list for safety, then delete and rebuild tech1.&nbsp; It'll happen some time in the next few days.

B

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From waresound at msn.com  Wed May  8 14:05:09 2019
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Wed, 8 May 2019 19:05:09 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] BBC Clickbait.
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Ah, so that must explain why so much TV drama, made specifically for TV, and shot by (insert your own choice of word here), has to be shown with a black band top and bottom. It?s to hide the boom in shot, regardless of the fact that it means chopping tops of actors? heads off.
Instant turn-off for me if the picture doesn?t fit my 16-9 telly.
Cheers,
Nick.
Sent from my iPad

On 8 May 2019, at 19:25, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk<mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:

I don't know much about the mechanics of cinema projection, but when I watched "Out of Africa" at my local cinema in 1985, I was a bit perturbed to keep spotting microphones, magic arms and even entire lamps in the top of frame.  I assumed that I was the only one to have noticed until there was a two handed dialogue scene where one microphone swung between the actors as they spoke.  There was a pause in the dialogue and the microphone smoothly moved over to favour one actor just as the other started to speak, requiring the microphone to whizz back back to cover that actor.  It prompted widespread laughter in the auditorium.

I assume that the movie was shot full frame with the unwanted part masked off in the viewfinder and when it was projected in my local cinema, the projector must have been set up incorrectly, revealing the part of the frame which was not meant to be seen.  I was surprised that the unwanted part of the frame was ever there on a distribution print and would have expected it to have been masked off properly when the print was made.

Alan Taylor



On 8 May 2019, at 8 May . 19:00, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk<mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:

Reckon they?ve got it -rs-e about f-c-.
If a 4:3 aspect is put onto a 14:9 or 16:9 screen, most modern TV?s will display with the picture centered
and black bars either side. Therefore the viewer will see the whole original frame.
If the transmission is ?cropped?, i.e. only the centre part of the 4:3 image is shown, there will be bits of the top and bottom not visible,
So a load of b-ll-cks.

I experienced a couple of occasions, where the camera viewfinder was hatched for safe area for cinema projection in 1.85:1.
I (Boom Op) worked on a picture directed by Polish Andrzej Wajda, who did not believe that the Brits could get usable sync sound.
My mixer & I knew we could.

Sammies, who supplied the 35mm Arri, put in a viewfinder glass which gave the shaded limits of 1.85:1, I think, and so the operator let the mic into what was thought to be a safe area.
Unfortunately, they had not hard masked the gate, though, and what was photographed, was the full frame 4:3. Our Polish visitor was apoplectic on viewing rushes, and said, no wonder we could get live sound if the mike's in shot!
(Went off back to Poland, muttering curses ? it didn?t do anything for our expertise). Problem being that the gate should have been hard masked, or the rushes he saw, not in 4:3.
This also happened on another occasion - I was booming on a movie shot at Shepperton. The cinema release would be 1.85:1, but the photographed frame was 4:3.
Shown on TV, full frame, there was my 816 ? wagging about! I was pleased, however, that I got the favouring right!
Regards
Pat

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From: Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1<mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
Sent: 08 May 2019 09:01
To: Tech Ops List<mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
Subject: [Tech1] BBC Clickbait.

Change of subject?..

There?s a bit about ?Friends? on the Beeb site explaining how we?re seeing a ?blooper? now.  It goes like this -

??..?Friends? was originally filmed in a standard aspect ratio (4:3), whereas today we?re watching them on a widescreen standard ratio (16:9).  In other words, maybe you can see more in a shot now that (sic) you were originally meant to.?


Can?t quite see it myself?..!

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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Wed May  8 14:42:10 2019
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Wed, 8 May 2019 20:42:10 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Bob Pratt
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This from Steve Roberts on Facebook -

"Dropping in to pass on the sad news of the death last weekend of Bob 
Pratt, ex Tel.Rec. VT engineer and one of the men responsible for saving 
large chunks of priceless pop performances that the BBC otherwise 
disposed of. I worked with Bob for a few years from when I joined in '87 
to when he took redundancy in the nineties. He was a terribly amiable 
chap with a wealth of knowledge and a real-world attitude to getting 
around the bureaucracy of the BBC and he didn't suffer fools gladly. His 
contribution to the preservation of music history cannot be understated, 
as described here in this article by 'Sounds of the Sixties' producer 
Dave Jeffcock. RIP Bob."

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From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net  Wed May  8 16:25:35 2019
From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt)
Date: Wed, 8 May 2019 22:25:35 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Bob Pratt
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Of late, topics discussed on the forum not infrequently overlap. I hope the following is not seen as disrespectful because of the context. The overlap here is with the recent debate surrounding the use/misuse of every aspect of our language.

Steve uses ?understated? where the appropriate word to convey his meaning would be ?overstated?. This is now so commonplace that doubtless some will accept it as evolution of language. Words of course mean whatever the user wants them to mean. Clearly Bob Pratt?s legacy is worthy of correct description.

Dave Newbitt.

From: Bernard Newnham via Tech1 
Sent: Wednesday, May 8, 2019 8:42 PM
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk 
Subject: [Tech1] Bob Pratt

This from Steve Roberts on Facebook - 

"Dropping in to pass on the sad news of the death last weekend of Bob Pratt, ex Tel.Rec. VT engineer and one of the men responsible for saving large chunks of priceless pop performances that the BBC otherwise disposed of. I worked with Bob for a few years from when I joined in '87 to when he took redundancy in the nineties. He was a terribly amiable chap with a wealth of knowledge and a real-world attitude to getting around the bureaucracy of the BBC and he didn't suffer fools gladly. His contribution to the preservation of music history cannot be understated, as described here in this article by 'Sounds of the Sixties' producer Dave Jeffcock. RIP Bob."

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From relong at btinternet.com  Wed May  8 17:40:43 2019
From: relong at btinternet.com (Roger E Long)
Date: Wed, 8 May 2019 23:40:43 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] BBC Clickbait.
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We were shooting an entire Screen 2 on Steadicam
John Ward was the DOP/Operator and our director was the great Alan Clarke
Gary Oldman starred.
We screened rushes one day without John
The projector was open gate (full frame )
Production was aghast, all the kitchen sink was in shot, the unit base ,sparks ,boom etc etc
Alans technique was to start the shot well outside the final set and process into it for a full 400? of film
Luckily a different gate mask was found and order was restored.
We all went down the pub for a typical Clarkian piss up.

Roger

> On 8 May 2019, at 20:05, Nick Ware via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Ah, so that must explain why so much TV drama, made specifically for TV, and shot by (insert your own choice of word here), has to be shown with a black band top and bottom. It?s to hide the boom in shot, regardless of the fact that it means chopping tops of actors? heads off. 
> Instant turn-off for me if the picture doesn?t fit my 16-9 telly.
> Cheers,
> Nick.
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> On 8 May 2019, at 19:25, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:
> 
>> I don't know much about the mechanics of cinema projection, but when I watched "Out of Africa" at my local cinema in 1985, I was a bit perturbed to keep spotting microphones, magic arms and even entire lamps in the top of frame.  I assumed that I was the only one to have noticed until there was a two handed dialogue scene where one microphone swung between the actors as they spoke.  There was a pause in the dialogue and the microphone smoothly moved over to favour one actor just as the other started to speak, requiring the microphone to whizz back back to cover that actor.  It prompted widespread laughter in the auditorium.
>> 
>> I assume that the movie was shot full frame with the unwanted part masked off in the viewfinder and when it was projected in my local cinema, the projector must have been set up incorrectly, revealing the part of the frame which was not meant to be seen.  I was surprised that the unwanted part of the frame was ever there on a distribution print and would have expected it to have been masked off properly when the print was made.
>> 
>> Alan Taylor
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 8 May 2019, at 8 May . 19:00, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Reckon they?ve got it -rs-e about f-c-.
>>> If a 4:3 aspect is put onto a 14:9 or 16:9 screen, most modern TV?s will display with the picture centered
>>> and black bars either side. Therefore the viewer will see the whole original frame.
>>> If the transmission is ?cropped?, i.e. only the centre part of the 4:3 image is shown, there will be bits of the top and bottom not visible,
>>> So a load of b-ll-cks.
>>>  
>>> I experienced a couple of occasions, where the camera viewfinder was hatched for safe area for cinema projection in 1.85:1.
>>> I (Boom Op) worked on a picture directed by Polish Andrzej Wajda, who did not believe that the Brits could get usable sync sound.
>>> My mixer & I knew we could.
>>> 
>>> Sammies, who supplied the 35mm Arri, put in a viewfinder glass which gave the shaded limits of 1.85:1, I think, and so the operator let the mic into what was thought to be a safe area.
>>> Unfortunately, they had not hard masked the gate, though, and what was photographed, was the full frame 4:3. Our Polish visitor was apoplectic on viewing rushes, and said, no wonder we could get live sound if the mike's in shot!
>>> (Went off back to Poland, muttering curses ? it didn?t do anything for our expertise). Problem being that the gate should have been hard masked, or the rushes he saw, not in 4:3.
>>> This also happened on another occasion - I was booming on a movie shot at Shepperton. The cinema release would be 1.85:1, but the photographed frame was 4:3.
>>> Shown on TV, full frame, there was my 816 ? wagging about! I was pleased, however, that I got the favouring right!
>>> Regards
>>> Pat
>>>  
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>>> From: Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
>>> Sent: 08 May 2019 09:01
>>> To: Tech Ops List <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
>>> Subject: [Tech1] BBC Clickbait.
>>>  
>>> Change of subject?..
>>>  
>>> There?s a bit about ?Friends? on the Beeb site explaining how we?re seeing a ?blooper? now.  It goes like this - 
>>>  
>>> ??..?Friends? was originally filmed in a standard aspect ratio (4:3), whereas today we?re watching them on a widescreen standard ratio (16:9).  In other words, maybe you can see more in a shot now that (sic) you were originally meant to.?
>>>  
>>>  
>>> Can?t quite see it myself?..!
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Alasdair Lawrance
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From j at howell61.f9.co.uk  Wed May  8 18:04:47 2019
From: j at howell61.f9.co.uk (John Howell)
Date: Thu, 9 May 2019 00:04:47 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Deforestation
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No wonder the forests are disappearing if they're invaded by such 
bizarre machinery. No sign of 'elf 'n' safety

rules being observed here!

YOUTUBE MOVIE <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SajKnDE6c9E>

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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Wed May  8 18:34:28 2019
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Thu, 9 May 2019 00:34:28 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Deforestation
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I think that the Trade Description Act would object to those twigs being 
called trees! They can't be very old at all. Try that in Sherwood Forest 
and I think the clever machine would come off worst! Cheers, Dave


From rogerbunce at btinternet.com  Thu May  9 03:13:16 2019
From: rogerbunce at btinternet.com (ROGER BUNCE)
Date: Thu, 9 May 2019 08:13:16 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tech1] language
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 A couple of other phrases that I have never understood, because they are now used to mean the exact opposite of their literal meaning -
"Head Over Heels." If you stand with your head over your heels, then you're the right way up. Yet this phrase has come to mean upside-down, topsy-turvy or somersaulting, which should, more logically, be described as "Heels Over Head."
"Cheap at half the price", which is meant to suggest that something is a bargain. It might be a bargain if it was cheap at TWICE the price, but almost anything would be cheap at half the price. (I suspect this one started as a cheeky street trader's cry, containing an artful con. But we now take it seriously.)
luv, Rog.

    On Wednesday, 8 May 2019, 22:26:07 BST, David Newbitt via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:  
 
  Of late, topics discussed on the forum not infrequently overlap. I hope the following is not seen as disrespectful because of the context. The overlap here is with the recent debate surrounding the use/misuse of every aspect of our language.?Steve uses ?understated? where the appropriate word to convey his meaning would be ?overstated?. This is now so commonplace that doubtless some will accept it as evolution of language. Words of course mean whatever the user wants them to mean. Clearly Bob Pratt?s legacy is worthy of correct description.?Dave Newbitt.?From: Bernard Newnham via Tech1 Sent: Wednesday, May 8, 2019 8:42 PMTo: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: [Tech1] Bob Pratt?This from Steve Roberts on Facebook - 

"Dropping in to pass on the sad news of the death last weekend of Bob Pratt, ex Tel.Rec. VT engineer and one of the men responsible for saving large chunks of priceless pop performances that the BBC otherwise disposed of. I worked with Bob for a few years from when I joined in '87 to when he took redundancy in the nineties. He was a terribly amiable chap with a wealth of knowledge and a real-world attitude to getting around the bureaucracy of the BBC and he didn't suffer fools gladly. His contribution to the preservation of music history cannot be understated, as described here in this article by 'Sounds of the Sixties' producer Dave Jeffcock. RIP Bob."

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From dave at davesound.co.uk  Thu May  9 04:55:07 2019
From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman)
Date: Thu, 09 May 2019 10:55:07 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] BBC Clickbait.
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In article
<VI1P192MB027197925CC19FCE5D93D38AA7320 at VI1P192MB0271.EURP192.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>,
   Nick Ware via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> Ah, so that must explain why so much TV drama, made specifically for TV,
> and shot by (insert your own choice of word here), has to be shown with
> a black band top and bottom. It?s to hide the boom in shot, regardless
> of the fact that it means chopping tops of actors? heads off.

I'd question how many TV dramas actually use a boom these days? Most don't
sound like they do.

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From vernon.dyer at btinternet.com  Thu May  9 06:35:00 2019
From: vernon.dyer at btinternet.com (Vernon Dyer)
Date: Thu, 9 May 2019 12:35:00 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] [Announce] Sad news of Alan Kerridge
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Sorry to hear of Alan?s passing.  We worked together only very briefly on Crew 3.  One little anecdote, probably unsuitable for Geoff to use at his service, I?m afraid:

We were doing TOTP in the mid-60s, and were watching the girls dancing in their ever-shorter skirts when Alan, talking to a group of us rather younger ones, said something like: ?I get more out of this - you lot are used to it, but I think it?s absolutely disgusting!? ? with a broad grin on his face!

That must be at least 53 years ago  .....  where did all that time go?

Best wishes and RIP Alan  .....  Vern

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: David Newbitt via Announce
Sent: 09 May 2019 10:01
To: Geoff Hawkes; announce at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Announce] Sad news of Alan Kerridge

Geoff,

I'm sorry I have no specific anecdotes, but in the absence (so far as I can 
see) of anyone else's recollections, I offer this small glimpse.

I was on the same crew as Alan for a time - it might well have been Crew 7 
when Mike Bond was s/cam, but I was never a diary keeper and my memory for 
dates and places is not as reliable as it once was. Alan was rewarding to 
talk to - a quiet man as I recall who went about his job unpretentiously and 
did it very well. His observations about life and work were often quite 
erudite and I thought of him as a man of hidden depths. Sometimes his 
allusions to his private life gave the impression of sadness as though he 
was not a loner by choice though superficially he may have seemed such.

Memory plays tricks - have I remembered correctly that he was something of a 
motorbike man?

It is sad to read of his sparse family connections. In the 70's 
Epsom/Leatherhead/Ashtead was my home territory but I have been way down in 
rural Somerset for close to 40 years and am unable to swell the congregation 
numbers for his farewell. I am glad though that you are working to mark his 
passing in a fitting way - he was valuable and mattered.

Dave Newbitt

-----Original Message----- 
From: Geoff Hawkes via Announce
Sent: Wednesday, May 8, 2019 12:04 AM
To: announce at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: [Announce] Sad news of Alan Kerridge

Dear All,

I'm sorry to have to inform you that our old camera colleague, Alan Kerridge
passed away peacefully in Epsom General Hospital late on Friday 3rd May. He
had been there for about four weeks having been admitted from the care home
he was in at Leatherhead after a sudden deterioration in his health (he had
Parkinson's). I had visited him in the care home a couple of times and last
saw him in the hospital three weeks ago today (Tuesday). He was quite frail
but was glad to see me and was able to engage a little in conversation.



Details of his funeral are as yet unknown, but I am hoping to be given
opportunity to speak at it myself. With that in mind, I would like to hear
from any of you who have recollections of Alan, stories to tell, knowledge
of the shows he worked on, anything that can help build up a picture of the
man we knew, so we can do justice to him. Some of you may have been his
contemporaries, even joining at the same time, or had worked with him on the
same crew or shows and it's you in particular that I'd like to hear from, as
well as anyone else.



Alan had few relatives, all it seems were distant and it's unclear how many
will attend the funeral. I'm sure you'll agree that we can't have him go
without a proper goodbye and I hope that as many of you who can, will be
there yourselves.

Please do get in touch and I will update you as soon as I know more,

Regards,



Geoff Hawkes



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From paul at pgtmedia.co.uk  Thu May  9 07:26:28 2019
From: paul at pgtmedia.co.uk (Paul Thackray)
Date: Thu, 09 May 2019 13:26:28 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] BBC Clickbait.
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From keithwicksuk at gmail.com  Thu May  9 10:48:38 2019
From: keithwicksuk at gmail.com (Keith Wicks)
Date: Thu, 9 May 2019 16:48:38 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] language
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It may have been *heels over head* originally, but I can't imagine why it
would have been changed.
The origin of *cheap at half the price* is uncertain too. See:

https://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/cheap-at-half-the-price.html

My own suggestion for the original meaning:

The item is cheap because the price is half that normally charged.

One of my own pet hates is the word *inertia*, which can be used with quite
different meanings in scientific and non-scientific writing.

KW

On Thu, 9 May 2019 at 09:15, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
wrote:

> A couple of other phrases that I have never understood, because they are
> now used to mean the exact opposite of their literal meaning -
>
> "Head Over Heels." If you stand with your head over your heels, then
> you're the right way up. Yet this phrase has come to mean upside-down,
> topsy-turvy or somersaulting, which should, more logically, be described as
> "Heels Over Head."
>
> "Cheap at half the price", which is meant to suggest that something is a
> bargain. It might be a bargain if it was cheap at TWICE the price, but
> almost anything would be cheap at half the price. (I suspect this one
> started as a cheeky street trader's cry, containing an artful con. But we
> now take it seriously.)
>
> luv, Rog.
>
>
> On Wednesday, 8 May 2019, 22:26:07 BST, David Newbitt via Tech1 <
> tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>
>
> Of late, topics discussed on the forum not infrequently overlap. I hope
> the following is not seen as disrespectful because of the context. The
> overlap here is with the recent debate surrounding the use/misuse of every
> aspect of our language.
>
> Steve uses ?understated? where the appropriate word to convey his meaning
> would be ?overstated?. This is now so commonplace that doubtless some will
> accept it as evolution of language. Words of course mean whatever the user
> wants them to mean. Clearly Bob Pratt?s legacy is worthy of correct
> description.
>
> Dave Newbitt.
>
> *From:* Bernard Newnham via Tech1
> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 8, 2019 8:42 PM
> *To:* tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> *Subject:* [Tech1] Bob Pratt
>
> This from Steve Roberts on Facebook -
>
> "Dropping in to pass on the sad news of the death last weekend of Bob
> Pratt, ex Tel.Rec. VT engineer and one of the men responsible for saving
> large chunks of priceless pop performances that the BBC otherwise disposed
> of. I worked with Bob for a few years from when I joined in '87 to when he
> took redundancy in the nineties. He was a terribly amiable chap with a
> wealth of knowledge and a real-world attitude to getting around the
> bureaucracy of the BBC and he didn't suffer fools gladly. His contribution
> to the preservation of music history cannot be understated, as described
> here in this article by 'Sounds of the Sixties' producer Dave Jeffcock. RIP
> Bob."
>
> B
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From vernon.dyer at btinternet.com  Thu May  9 10:52:53 2019
From: vernon.dyer at btinternet.com (Vernon Dyer)
Date: Thu, 9 May 2019 16:52:53 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] [Announce] Sad news of Alan Kerridge
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Thanks Geoff, and you?re absolutely right -  I should perhaps have stressed more fully that there was nothing dubious about Alan?s words, and the way he said them; they were completely good-natured and tongue-in-cheek, as you would expect.

All these odd little memories swim back into our consciousness from time to time, and I?ve taken to jotting a few of them down now and then for my own amusement and anyone else?s who might see them.

V

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From: Geoff Hawkes
Sent: 09 May 2019 12:52
To: 'Vernon Dyer'
Subject: RE: [Tech1] [Announce] Sad news of Alan Kerridge

Hi Vern,
Thanks for your message and it?s good to hear from you as I?ve had little other response so far and as I said to Dave Newbitt, I was beginning to worry that the message may not?ve got through.
While you?re right about the possible unsuitablity of your snapshot of Alan for sharing publicly, it does reflect on the sort of thing he would sometimes come out with and helps paint a picture of him. I know though that on his part it wouldn?t have been intended to be disrespectful as I?m sure he never would?ve said anything like that to the individuals themselves.

It?s funny how things like that stick in our minds and I can remember odd throwaway lines people like you, Bob Everitt and Chas Davison said on our TO course at Evesham back in the winter/spring of 1964. As you say, where did the time go?
Regards,

Geoff

From: Tech1 [mailto:tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk] On Behalf Of Vernon Dyer via Tech1
Sent: 09 May 2019 12:35
To: Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Tech1] [Announce] Sad news of Alan Kerridge

Sorry to hear of Alan?s passing.? We worked together only very briefly on Crew 3.? One little anecdote, probably unsuitable for Geoff to use at his service, I?m afraid:

We were doing TOTP in the mid-60s, and were watching the girls dancing in their ever-shorter skirts when Alan, talking to a group of us rather younger ones, said something like: ?I get more out of this - you lot are used to it, but I think it?s absolutely disgusting!? ? with a broad grin on his face!

That must be at least 53 years ago? .....? where did all that time go?

Best wishes and RIP Alan? .....? Vern

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From: David Newbitt via Announce
Sent: 09 May 2019 10:01
To: Geoff Hawkes; announce at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Announce] Sad news of Alan Kerridge

Geoff,

I'm sorry I have no specific anecdotes, but in the absence (so far as I can 
see) of anyone else's recollections, I offer this small glimpse.

I was on the same crew as Alan for a time - it might well have been Crew 7 
when Mike Bond was s/cam, but I was never a diary keeper and my memory for 
dates and places is not as reliable as it once was. Alan was rewarding to 
talk to - a quiet man as I recall who went about his job unpretentiously and 
did it very well. His observations about life and work were often quite 
erudite and I thought of him as a man of hidden depths. Sometimes his 
allusions to his private life gave the impression of sadness as though he 
was not a loner by choice though superficially he may have seemed such.

Memory plays tricks - have I remembered correctly that he was something of a 
motorbike man?

It is sad to read of his sparse family connections. In the 70's 
Epsom/Leatherhead/Ashtead was my home territory but I have been way down in 
rural Somerset for close to 40 years and am unable to swell the congregation 
numbers for his farewell. I am glad though that you are working to mark his 
passing in a fitting way - he was valuable and mattered.

Dave Newbitt

-----Original Message----- 
From: Geoff Hawkes via Announce
Sent: Wednesday, May 8, 2019 12:04 AM
To: announce at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: [Announce] Sad news of Alan Kerridge

Dear All,

I'm sorry to have to inform you that our old camera colleague, Alan Kerridge
passed away peacefully in Epsom General Hospital late on Friday 3rd May. He
had been there for about four weeks having been admitted from the care home
he was in at Leatherhead after a sudden deterioration in his health (he had
Parkinson's). I had visited him in the care home a couple of times and last
saw him in the hospital three weeks ago today (Tuesday). He was quite frail
but was glad to see me and was able to engage a little in conversation.



Details of his funeral are as yet unknown, but I am hoping to be given
opportunity to speak at it myself. With that in mind, I would like to hear
from any of you who have recollections of Alan, stories to tell, knowledge
of the shows he worked on, anything that can help build up a picture of the
man we knew, so we can do justice to him. Some of you may have been his
contemporaries, even joining at the same time, or had worked with him on the
same crew or shows and it's you in particular that I'd like to hear from, as
well as anyone else.



Alan had few relatives, all it seems were distant and it's unclear how many
will attend the funeral. I'm sure you'll agree that we can't have him go
without a proper goodbye and I hope that as many of you who can, will be
there yourselves.

Please do get in touch and I will update you as soon as I know more,

Regards,



Geoff Hawkes



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From alawrance1 at me.com  Thu May  9 11:03:51 2019
From: alawrance1 at me.com (Alasdair Lawrance)
Date: Thu, 9 May 2019 17:03:51 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] language
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A very long time ago, I did some Philosophy at the OU which included language as well as all the other areas it covers.

Ludwig Wittgenstein posited that language, of itself, didn?t really mean anything at all

He famously invented -  ?Colourless green ideas sleep furiously.?

It?s a perfect English sentence, has the correct grammar, can be parsed (subject, predicate, verb etc.) and every word is meaningful to us.

Fact is, it?s total nonsense when taken as a whole.


Alasdair Lawrance
alawrance1 at me.com






> On 9 May 2019, at 16:48, Keith Wicks via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> It may have been heels over head originally, but I can't imagine why it would have been changed.
> The origin of cheap at half the price is uncertain too. See:
> 
> https://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/cheap-at-half-the-price.html <https://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/cheap-at-half-the-price.html>
> 
> My own suggestion for the original meaning:
> 
> The item is cheap because the price is half that normally charged.
>  
> One of my own pet hates is the word inertia, which can be used with quite different meanings in scientific and non-scientific writing.
> 
> KW
> 
> On Thu, 9 May 2019 at 09:15, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:
> A couple of other phrases that I have never understood, because they are now used to mean the exact opposite of their literal meaning -
> 
> "Head Over Heels." If you stand with your head over your heels, then you're the right way up. Yet this phrase has come to mean upside-down, topsy-turvy or somersaulting, which should, more logically, be described as "Heels Over Head."
> 
> "Cheap at half the price", which is meant to suggest that something is a bargain. It might be a bargain if it was cheap at TWICE the price, but almost anything would be cheap at half the price. (I suspect this one started as a cheeky street trader's cry, containing an artful con. But we now take it seriously.)
> 
> luv, Rog.
> 
> 
> On Wednesday, 8 May 2019, 22:26:07 BST, David Newbitt via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:
> 
> 
> Of late, topics discussed on the forum not infrequently overlap. I hope the following is not seen as disrespectful because of the context. The overlap here is with the recent debate surrounding the use/misuse of every aspect of our language.
>  
> Steve uses ?understated? where the appropriate word to convey his meaning would be ?overstated?. This is now so commonplace that doubtless some will accept it as evolution of language. Words of course mean whatever the user wants them to mean. Clearly Bob Pratt?s legacy is worthy of correct description.
>  
> Dave Newbitt.
>  
> From: Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 8, 2019 8:42 PM
> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <>
> Subject: [Tech1] Bob Pratt
>  
> This from Steve Roberts on Facebook - 
> 
> "Dropping in to pass on the sad news of the death last weekend of Bob Pratt, ex Tel.Rec. VT engineer and one of the men responsible for saving large chunks of priceless pop performances that the BBC otherwise disposed of. I worked with Bob for a few years from when I joined in '87 to when he took redundancy in the nineties. He was a terribly amiable chap with a wealth of knowledge and a real-world attitude to getting around the bureaucracy of the BBC and he didn't suffer fools gladly. His contribution to the preservation of music history cannot be understated, as described here in this article by 'Sounds of the Sixties' producer Dave Jeffcock. RIP Bob."
> 
> B
> 
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Thu May  9 12:58:23 2019
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Thu, 9 May 2019 18:58:23 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] language
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Sounds like a code interchange for Cold War spies.
Try it Mr. Caine!

My suggestion would be:
?In the Thames ? no whales swim?
I?ve been reading a book about training people who were linguistically agile to speak Russian ? during the Cold War of the 50?s
(Secret Classrooms)
Pat

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From: Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1
Sent: 09 May 2019 17:04
To: Keith Wicks
Cc: Tech Ops List
Subject: Re: [Tech1] language

He famously invented - ??Colourless green ideas sleep furiously.?




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From graeme.wall at icloud.com  Thu May  9 13:35:11 2019
From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall)
Date: Thu, 9 May 2019 19:35:11 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Wood Norton
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Found this plaque by a young tree in the gardens at Wood Norton. Anyone know the story?

? 
Graeme Wall 

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From rogerbunce at btinternet.com  Thu May  9 14:26:34 2019
From: rogerbunce at btinternet.com (ROGER BUNCE)
Date: Thu, 9 May 2019 19:26:34 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tech1] language
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 Or as Lionel Bart, inspired by Charles Dickens, put it -
Who will buyThis wonderful morning?Such a skyYou never did see!?
Who will tieIt up with a ribbonAnd put it in a box for me??
There'll never be a day so sunny,It could not happen twice.Where is the man with all the money?It's cheap at half the price!?

I always remember a sale at a local high-street shoe shop. The sign said, "Buy One Get One Free."Isn't that what always happens with shoes? As with so much in life, I seemed to be the only one who found it amusing.
luv, Rog.
    On Thursday, 9 May 2019, 16:48:58 BST, Keith Wicks <keithwicksuk at gmail.com> wrote:  
 
 It may have been heels over head originally, but I can't imagine why it would have been changed.The origin of cheap at half the price is uncertain too. See:
https://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/cheap-at-half-the-price.html

My own suggestion for the original meaning:
The item is cheap because the price is half that normally charged.?One of my own pet hates is the word inertia, which can be used with quite different meanings in scientific and non-scientific writing.
KW
On Thu, 9 May 2019 at 09:15, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

 A couple of other phrases that I have never understood, because they are now used to mean the exact opposite of their literal meaning -
"Head Over Heels." If you stand with your head over your heels, then you're the right way up. Yet this phrase has come to mean upside-down, topsy-turvy or somersaulting, which should, more logically, be described as "Heels Over Head."
"Cheap at half the price", which is meant to suggest that something is a bargain. It might be a bargain if it was cheap at TWICE the price, but almost anything would be cheap at half the price. (I suspect this one started as a cheeky street trader's cry, containing an artful con. But we now take it seriously.)
luv, Rog.

    On Wednesday, 8 May 2019, 22:26:07 BST, David Newbitt via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:  
 
  Of late, topics discussed on the forum not infrequently overlap. I hope the following is not seen as disrespectful because of the context. The overlap here is with the recent debate surrounding the use/misuse of every aspect of our language.?Steve uses ?understated? where the appropriate word to convey his meaning would be ?overstated?. This is now so commonplace that doubtless some will accept it as evolution of language. Words of course mean whatever the user wants them to mean. Clearly Bob Pratt?s legacy is worthy of correct description.?Dave Newbitt.?From: Bernard Newnham via Tech1 Sent: Wednesday, May 8, 2019 8:42 PMTo: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: [Tech1] Bob Pratt?This from Steve Roberts on Facebook - 

"Dropping in to pass on the sad news of the death last weekend of Bob Pratt, ex Tel.Rec. VT engineer and one of the men responsible for saving large chunks of priceless pop performances that the BBC otherwise disposed of. I worked with Bob for a few years from when I joined in '87 to when he took redundancy in the nineties. He was a terribly amiable chap with a wealth of knowledge and a real-world attitude to getting around the bureaucracy of the BBC and he didn't suffer fools gladly. His contribution to the preservation of music history cannot be understated, as described here in this article by 'Sounds of the Sixties' producer Dave Jeffcock. RIP Bob."

B


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 ?When I use a word,? Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, ?it means just what I choose it to mean?neither more nor less.???The question is,? said Alice, ?whether you can make words mean so many different things.???The question is,? said Humpty Dumpty, ?which is to be master?that's all.?

Now, did Humpty Dumpty come before Wittgenstein, and which was the greater?philosopher?
luv, Rog.

    On Thursday, 9 May 2019, 17:03:56 BST, Alasdair Lawrance <alawrance1 at me.com> wrote:  
 
 A very long time ago, I did some Philosophy at the OU which included language as well as all the other areas it covers.
Ludwig Wittgenstein posited that language, of itself, didn?t really mean anything at all
He famously invented - ??Colourless green ideas sleep furiously.?
It?s a perfect English sentence, has the correct grammar, can be parsed (subject, predicate, verb etc.) and every word is meaningful to us.
Fact is, it?s total nonsense when taken as a whole.

Alasdair Lawrance
alawrance1 at me.com







On 9 May 2019, at 16:48, Keith Wicks via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
It may have been heels over head originally, but I can't imagine why it would have been changed.The origin of cheap at half the price is uncertain too. See:
https://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/cheap-at-half-the-price.html

My own suggestion for the original meaning:
The item is cheap because the price is half that normally charged.?One of my own pet hates is the word inertia, which can be used with quite different meanings in scientific and non-scientific writing.
KW
On Thu, 9 May 2019 at 09:15, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

 A couple of other phrases that I have never understood, because they are now used to mean the exact opposite of their literal meaning -
"Head Over Heels." If you stand with your head over your heels, then you're the right way up. Yet this phrase has come to mean upside-down, topsy-turvy or somersaulting, which should, more logically, be described as "Heels Over Head."
"Cheap at half the price", which is meant to suggest that something is a bargain. It might be a bargain if it was cheap at TWICE the price, but almost anything would be cheap at half the price. (I suspect this one started as a cheeky street trader's cry, containing an artful con. But we now take it seriously.)
luv, Rog.

    On Wednesday, 8 May 2019, 22:26:07 BST, David Newbitt via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:  
 
  Of late, topics discussed on the forum not infrequently overlap. I hope the following is not seen as disrespectful because of the context. The overlap here is with the recent debate surrounding the use/misuse of every aspect of our language.?Steve uses ?understated? where the appropriate word to convey his meaning would be ?overstated?. This is now so commonplace that doubtless some will accept it as evolution of language. Words of course mean whatever the user wants them to mean. Clearly Bob Pratt?s legacy is worthy of correct description.?Dave Newbitt.?From: Bernard Newnham via Tech1 Sent: Wednesday, May 8, 2019 8:42 PMTo: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: [Tech1] Bob Pratt?This from Steve Roberts on Facebook - 

"Dropping in to pass on the sad news of the death last weekend of Bob Pratt, ex Tel.Rec. VT engineer and one of the men responsible for saving large chunks of priceless pop performances that the BBC otherwise disposed of. I worked with Bob for a few years from when I joined in '87 to when he took redundancy in the nineties. He was a terribly amiable chap with a wealth of knowledge and a real-world attitude to getting around the bureaucracy of the BBC and he didn't suffer fools gladly. His contribution to the preservation of music history cannot be understated, as described here in this article by 'Sounds of the Sixties' producer Dave Jeffcock. RIP Bob."

B

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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Thu May  9 15:54:22 2019
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Thu, 9 May 2019 21:54:22 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Language
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Of course this topic was bound to end up with one of my favourite verses 
- ?Twas brillig, and the slithy toves

   Did gyre and gimble in the wabe;

All mimsy were the borogoves,

And the mome raths outgrabe.

     'Nuff said,
            Cheers, Dave


From mibridge at mac.com  Thu May  9 17:40:34 2019
From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles)
Date: Thu, 9 May 2019 23:40:34 +0100
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I always took ?cheap at half the price? to be sarcastic, meaning that the item wasn?t cheap at all, but might be if the price was halved.

And may I posit the view that Wittgenstein and Humpty Dumpty share a common failing in respect of the meaning of language ~ lack of logic! 

What would Wittgenstein have made of the statement that ?You are innocent of all charges? as he was incarcerated on the basis of false accusations? 

It has to be admitted that politicians frequently say the opposite of what they mean, or possibly divulge nothing at all, but that is generally understood! And the streetwise amongst us will recognise that ?sick? can now mean ?awfully good?!

Mike G


> On 9 May 2019, at 20:32, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?When I use a word,? Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, ?it means just what I choose it to mean?neither more nor less.?
>  ?The question is,? said Alice, ?whether you can make words mean so many different things.?
>  ?The question is,? said Humpty Dumpty, ?which is to be master?that's all.?
> 
> Now, did Humpty Dumpty come before Wittgenstein, and which was the greater philosopher?
> 
> luv, Rog.
> 
> 
> On Thursday, 9 May 2019, 17:03:56 BST, Alasdair Lawrance <alawrance1 at me.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> A very long time ago, I did some Philosophy at the OU which included language as well as all the other areas it covers.
> 
> Ludwig Wittgenstein posited that language, of itself, didn?t really mean anything at all
> 
> He famously invented -  ?Colourless green ideas sleep furiously.?
> 
> It?s a perfect English sentence, has the correct grammar, can be parsed (subject, predicate, verb etc.) and every word is meaningful to us.
> 
> Fact is, it?s total nonsense when taken as a whole.
> 
> 
> Alasdair Lawrance
> alawrance1 at me.com <mailto:alawrance1 at me.com>
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On 9 May 2019, at 16:48, Keith Wicks via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:
>> 
>> It may have been heels over head originally, but I can't imagine why it would have been changed.
>> The origin of cheap at half the price is uncertain too. See:
>> 
>> https://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/cheap-at-half-the-price.html <https://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/cheap-at-half-the-price.html>
>> 
>> My own suggestion for the original meaning:
>> 
>> The item is cheap because the price is half that normally charged.
>>  
>> One of my own pet hates is the word inertia, which can be used with quite different meanings in scientific and non-scientific writing.
>> 
>> KW
>> 
>> On Thu, 9 May 2019 at 09:15, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:
>> A couple of other phrases that I have never understood, because they are now used to mean the exact opposite of their literal meaning -
>> 
>> "Head Over Heels." If you stand with your head over your heels, then you're the right way up. Yet this phrase has come to mean upside-down, topsy-turvy or somersaulting, which should, more logically, be described as "Heels Over Head."
>> 
>> "Cheap at half the price", which is meant to suggest that something is a bargain. It might be a bargain if it was cheap at TWICE the price, but almost anything would be cheap at half the price. (I suspect this one started as a cheeky street trader's cry, containing an artful con. But we now take it seriously.)
>> 
>> luv, Rog.
>> 
>> 
>> On Wednesday, 8 May 2019, 22:26:07 BST, David Newbitt via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Of late, topics discussed on the forum not infrequently overlap. I hope the following is not seen as disrespectful because of the context. The overlap here is with the recent debate surrounding the use/misuse of every aspect of our language.
>>  
>> Steve uses ?understated? where the appropriate word to convey his meaning would be ?overstated?. This is now so commonplace that doubtless some will accept it as evolution of language. Words of course mean whatever the user wants them to mean. Clearly Bob Pratt?s legacy is worthy of correct description.
>>  
>> Dave Newbitt.
>>  
>> From: Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <>
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 8, 2019 8:42 PM
>> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <>
>> Subject: [Tech1] Bob Pratt
>>  
>> This from Steve Roberts on Facebook - 
>> 
>> "Dropping in to pass on the sad news of the death last weekend of Bob Pratt, ex Tel.Rec. VT engineer and one of the men responsible for saving large chunks of priceless pop performances that the BBC otherwise disposed of. I worked with Bob for a few years from when I joined in '87 to when he took redundancy in the nineties. He was a terribly amiable chap with a wealth of knowledge and a real-world attitude to getting around the bureaucracy of the BBC and he didn't suffer fools gladly. His contribution to the preservation of music history cannot be understated, as described here in this article by 'Sounds of the Sixties' producer Dave Jeffcock. RIP Bob."
>> 
>> B
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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Thu May  9 18:13:14 2019
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Fri, 10 May 2019 00:13:14 +0100
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The other constant no-no even from BBC newsreaders etc. is to say 
something had gone up by '200%' ( George Osborne was cited for doing 
just that!) rather than saying it had doubled. What does 'better than 
half-price' mean? Is it more than half-price or less than half-price? 
Cheers, perplexed, Dave


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From: keithwicksuk at gmail.com (Keith Wicks)
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Alastair's comments about Wittgenstein's sentence made me think that there
must be software called something like Wittgenstein Sentence Generator. Or
perhaps there were just long lists of such sentences. I say that because I
occasionally come across long texts composed of such sentences on the
internet. It seems that including stuff that looks to a computer like
useful text sometimes helps possibly harmful websites get through a
security barrier. I have found large chunks of text like this accompanying
circuit diagrams.

So I searched for Wittgenstein Sentence Generator. The very first article
displayed by Google was here:

http://www.jochenhoeller.com/text/wittgenstein-generator/

It contains:

... he [artist Jochen H?ller] had a program written that can
systematically, or also randomly, generate this vast number [125 digits] of
sentences for him....

Interesting, but I didn't bother to look further for the actual software.
It's easy enough to write meaningless text without using special software.
KW

On Thu, 9 May 2019 at 17:03, Alasdair Lawrance <alawrance1 at me.com> wrote:

> A very long time ago, I did some Philosophy at the OU which included
> language as well as all the other areas it covers.
> Ludwig Wittgenstein posited that language, of itself, didn?t really mean
> anything at all
> He famously invented -  ?Colourless green ideas sleep furiously.?
> It?s a perfect English sentence, has the correct grammar, can be parsed
> (subject, predicate, verb etc.) and every word is meaningful to us.
> Fact is, it?s total nonsense when taken as a whole.
>
> Alasdair Lawrance
> alawrance1 at me.com
>
> On 9 May 2019, at 16:48, Keith Wicks via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
> It may have been *heels over head* originally, but I can't imagine why it
> would have been changed.
> The origin of *cheap at half the price* is uncertain too. See:
>
> https://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/cheap-at-half-the-price.html
>
> My own suggestion for the original meaning:
>
> The item is cheap because the price is half that normally charged.
>
> One of my own pet hates is the word *inertia*, which can be used with
> quite different meanings in scientific and non-scientific writing.
>
> KW
>
> On Thu, 9 May 2019 at 09:15, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
>> A couple of other phrases that I have never understood, because they are
>> now used to mean the exact opposite of their literal meaning -
>>
>> "Head Over Heels." If you stand with your head over your heels, then
>> you're the right way up. Yet this phrase has come to mean upside-down,
>> topsy-turvy or somersaulting, which should, more logically, be described as
>> "Heels Over Head."
>>
>> "Cheap at half the price", which is meant to suggest that something is a
>> bargain. It might be a bargain if it was cheap at TWICE the price, but
>> almost anything would be cheap at half the price. (I suspect this one
>> started as a cheeky street trader's cry, containing an artful con. But we
>> now take it seriously.)
>>
>> luv, Rog.
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, 8 May 2019, 22:26:07 BST, David Newbitt via Tech1 <
>> tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Of late, topics discussed on the forum not infrequently overlap. I hope
>> the following is not seen as disrespectful because of the context. The
>> overlap here is with the recent debate surrounding the use/misuse of every
>> aspect of our language.
>>
>> Steve uses ?understated? where the appropriate word to convey his meaning
>> would be ?overstated?. This is now so commonplace that doubtless some will
>> accept it as evolution of language. Words of course mean whatever the user
>> wants them to mean. Clearly Bob Pratt?s legacy is worthy of correct
>> description.
>>
>> Dave Newbitt.
>>
>> *From:* Bernard Newnham via Tech1
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 8, 2019 8:42 PM
>> *To:* tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>> *Subject:* [Tech1] Bob Pratt
>>
>> This from Steve Roberts on Facebook -
>>
>> "Dropping in to pass on the sad news of the death last weekend of Bob
>> Pratt, ex Tel.Rec. VT engineer and one of the men responsible for saving
>> large chunks of priceless pop performances that the BBC otherwise disposed
>> of. I worked with Bob for a few years from when I joined in '87 to when he
>> took redundancy in the nineties. He was a terribly amiable chap with a
>> wealth of knowledge and a real-world attitude to getting around the
>> bureaucracy of the BBC and he didn't suffer fools gladly. His contribution
>> to the preservation of music history cannot be understated, as described
>> here in this article by 'Sounds of the Sixties' producer Dave Jeffcock. RIP
>> Bob."
>>
>> B
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From: keithwicksuk at gmail.com (Keith Wicks)
Date: Fri, 10 May 2019 07:52:23 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] language
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Are you buying or selling?
KW

On Fri, 10 May 2019 at 00:13, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
wrote:

> The other constant no-no even from BBC newsreaders etc. is to say
> something had gone up by '200%' ( George Osborne was cited for doing
> just that!) rather than saying it had doubled. What does 'better than
> half-price' mean? Is it more than half-price or less than half-price?
> Cheers, perplexed, Dave
>
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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Fri May 10 09:56:32 2019
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Fri, 10 May 2019 15:56:32 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] John Hays
Message-ID: <23a9c3a7-2c58-efaf-13d2-a797314dedbc@btinternet.com>

Very sad news indeed. John's e-mail to us on April 8th. explained that 
he was on oxygen 24/7 due to COPD (John Delaney is similarly afflicted) 
so any illness would be very difficult to fight. I heartily concur with 
Dave Newbitt's excellent appraisal of John. I always remember finding a 
1935 railway timetable book on the shelves of a drama set library and 
John was over-the-moon with it! Attached is a picture of Crew 16 outside 
R3 with John at the front of the sound queue. Cheers, Dave.
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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Fri May 10 10:03:04 2019
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Fri, 10 May 2019 16:03:04 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Old mobile phones
Message-ID: <cc83959d-f43c-abaf-3ca1-e4224fdcefe4@btinternet.com>

We seem to have collected some old, pre-smart, mobiles over the years. 
Our local hardware shop used to collect them for recycling but have 
stopped doing so. Does anyone know of a good way to dispose of them, I 
don't want to bin them if they can be useful? Cheers, Dave


From graeme.wall at icloud.com  Fri May 10 11:27:53 2019
From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall)
Date: Fri, 10 May 2019 17:27:53 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Old mobile phones
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Most high street phone shops will accept old phones for recycling.
? 
Graeme Wall


> On 10 May 2019, at 16:03, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> We seem to have collected some old, pre-smart, mobiles over the years. Our local hardware shop used to collect them for recycling but have stopped doing so. Does anyone know of a good way to dispose of them, I don't want to bin them if they can be useful? Cheers, Dave
> 
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From hughsheppard at btinternet.com  Fri May 10 13:13:08 2019
From: hughsheppard at btinternet.com (Hugh Sheppard)
Date: Fri, 10 May 2019 19:13:08 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] John Hays
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On the same day last month as John had emailed Dave, he wrote to me with 
such a typical, now memorable email that I'm copying it here:

    "Yes Hugh, I remember your bus routes well although I was centred in
    the Crystal Palace area and went to school on a short wheelbase 654
    trollybus. As my school was in Penge one could buy a three halfpenny
    transfer ticket to cover the second half of the journey. I was
    prompted to dig out my ancient bus ABCs dating right back to 1948
    when new RTs were becoming common, and there were many trams still
    running in south London. It used to cost one penny to travel on a 78
    tram from Norwood to Victoria for some train spotting.

    Happy days! Best wishes to all. John Hays."

Surely John will deservedly Rest In Peace.

Hugh

On 10-May-19 3:56 PM, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote:
> Very sad news indeed. John's e-mail to us on April 8th. explained that 
> he was on oxygen 24/7 due to COPD (John Delaney is similarly 
> afflicted) so any illness would be very difficult to fight. I heartily 
> concur with Dave Newbitt's excellent appraisal of John. I always 
> remember finding a 1935 railway timetable book on the shelves of a 
> drama set library and John was over-the-moon with it! Attached is a 
> picture of Crew 16 outside R3 with John at the front of the sound 
> queue. Cheers, Dave.
>
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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Fri May 10 13:34:30 2019
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Fri, 10 May 2019 19:34:30 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Old mobile phones
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Thanks Graeme. Cheers, Dave


From barrybonner119 at btinternet.com  Fri May 10 13:58:36 2019
From: barrybonner119 at btinternet.com (Barry Bonner)
Date: Fri, 10 May 2019 19:58:36 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] John Hays
Message-ID: <4C4AFDEF-9421-4C99-9D1D-F95380D29961@btinternet.com>

Hi All,
	I?m sending this again via tech1 ?cos it excluded the attached picture via the Tech Ops Announce address. Hopefully it?ll work this time.

	Very sad news. A very kind and affable person. I had the pleasure of working for him and he working for me. Always a lot of good humour and mischief in abundance!

	Here on a boat in the Thames doing EastEnders in 1987??

	(P.S. Dave Mundy?s email and picture to tech1 didn?t appear either.)
Barry.

	


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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Fri May 10 15:38:39 2019
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Fri, 10 May 2019 21:38:39 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Euro elections
Message-ID: <1db72d7c-ad44-5067-5163-0964216290d4@btinternet.com>

My wife and I have just voted in the above , by post, as usual. 
Amazingly, there were 12 possible places to put our 'X' ! In the local 
council election there were only three and the Residents Association 
candidate got in as usual. Doreen went on the internet to try and find 
out the manifestos for all 12 but the only party to have a proper one 
was the Labour Party! The Tory one was all written in the first person 
about what 'I' was going to do etc. and none of the others had bothered 
to do anything, one of them you even had to join the party to find out 
what they were planning! Cheers, Dave


From nick at nickway.co.uk  Sat May 11 07:30:02 2019
From: nick at nickway.co.uk (Nick Way)
Date: Sat, 11 May 2019 13:30:02 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [Tech1] language
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From jpn at imixmics.co.uk  Sat May 11 09:07:39 2019
From: jpn at imixmics.co.uk (John Nottage)
Date: Sat, 11 May 2019 15:07:39 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Pictures
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Thanks Barry. I was just trying to put the STO38 photo on the site. I 
don't understand why it won't go. It'll be interesting to see if you get it.

John

On 11/05/2019 10:56, Barry Bonner wrote:
> Hi John,
> I?ve tried twice to send pictures to both of the Tech Ops groups but 
> they just don?t appear.
> 
> So here?s one of John on a boat in the Thames in 1987 doing EastEnders??
> Barry.
> 
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From jpn at imixmics.co.uk  Sat May 11 09:12:51 2019
From: jpn at imixmics.co.uk (John Nottage)
Date: Sat, 11 May 2019 15:12:51 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Pictures
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My picture has got there! Is it that you can't send pics to the announce 
address? Bernie?

John

On 11/05/2019 15:07, John Nottage via Tech1 wrote:
> Thanks Barry. I was just trying to put the STO38 photo on the site. I 
> don't understand why it won't go. It'll be interesting to see if you get 
> it.
> 
> John
> 
> On 11/05/2019 10:56, Barry Bonner wrote:
>> Hi John,
>> I?ve tried twice to send pictures to both of the Tech Ops groups but 
>> they just don?t appear.
>>
>> So here?s one of John on a boat in the Thames in 1987 doing EastEnders??
>> Barry.
>>
>>
> 
> 



From peter.neill at icloud.com  Sat May 11 17:00:36 2019
From: peter.neill at icloud.com (Peter Neill)
Date: Sat, 11 May 2019 23:00:36 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] John Hays
Message-ID: <AC3FBFA4-CFC7-4D85-8293-FAA13152179F@icloud.com>

I had the pleasure of working on John?s crew during my TC days, both on his crew and when I was on various pools.

In my second BBC incarnation - working on Newsroom South East I was sound recordist covering the opening of the Stansted Express.
We were in a carriage - Reporter, Cameraman, Transport Secretary, PR person and me. We stopped at a station on the way, and as the doors opened I spotted John on the platform taking photos. I ushered him in saying BBC to the PR and John got a ride on the inaugural trip. 
It was good to see him at disorganised lunches until his health put a stop to it. 

Peter Neill 


From bernie833 at gmail.com  Mon May 13 03:39:07 2019
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Mon, 13 May 2019 09:39:07 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Birdcam
Message-ID: <b7b1b17e-f8f7-ace0-8b82-fd66d14ba314@gmail.com>

I haven't been streaming this years brood, after the last couple of 
years of failure, but they are quite big now, so prospects look good -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=egIJTw-_u6U

B
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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Tue May 14 04:31:10 2019
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Tue, 14 May 2019 10:31:10 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Today's birdcam feed
Message-ID: <8de2d0c7-d81e-623f-ddba-169b9e003de3@gmail.com>

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-LiX1pUcts

This is a box on the wall of our house.? It has a standard USB webcam 
connected to this computer by a long extension. Free OBS Studio streams 
the output to YouTube

The birds are near to fledging now. In earlier years I ran the stream 
from when they hatched, but there were several sad moments when it all 
went wrong and they died. This year it looks good.

enjoy

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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Tue May 14 08:27:41 2019
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Tue, 14 May 2019 14:27:41 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Alan Kerridge
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Alan was with me on STO 20 (Tel.) in 1966. I remember him as being a a 
very quiet chap but a very gifted artist. One of the social happenings 
during the course were frequent trips to 'The Dolphin' in Bishampton to 
play the locals at 9-pin skittles, refreshments being provided by the 
wives of their team. Alan came up with the name for our team and drew 
the attached cartoon for us, he signed it and gave it to me. I have also 
attached the course picture together with a couple of photos at the 
skittle alley (from Mike Minchin). During a recent stay at the Wood 
Norton Hotel I re-visited 'The Dolphin', for old times sake, and was sad 
to discover that the skittle alley was closed and the pub had no real 
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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Tue May 14 14:41:04 2019
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Tue, 14 May 2019 20:41:04 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] More sad news
Message-ID: <402c9d92-0238-8943-cfdc-2c678b2e7649@btinternet.com>

I heard today from Malcolm Johnson that Gordon Mackie, Sound Manager 'D' 
at TVC, had passed away. I'm sure that Malcolm will fill in the details 
soon. Regards, Dave


From peter.neill at icloud.com  Tue May 14 15:51:44 2019
From: peter.neill at icloud.com (Peter Neill)
Date: Tue, 14 May 2019 21:51:44 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Gordon Mackie
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This from Facebook:

I know no more. 

Peter Neill 

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Sent from my iPhone. Apologies for typos and autocorruptions. 

From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net  Tue May 14 17:10:51 2019
From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt)
Date: Tue, 14 May 2019 23:10:51 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] More sad news
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That's three of our old colleagues in the space of a fortnight no longer 
with us. We all know only too well the penalties of advancing years and I 
sometimes think the worst part is the gradual inexorable reduction in the 
numbers of those remaining who were part of our working lives. It matters 
not that we perhaps had limited opportunity to know them well, but even a 
handful of memories is enough for their passing to genuinely sadden us.

Gordon was such a strong character with, at times, a wicked sense of humour 
so I'm sure there will be anecdotes aplenty. One comes to mind regarding his 
journey into TC one morning. Arriving in the control room he announced he 
had suffered a shattered windscreen driving along the Chertsey Road 
resulting in the total lack of vision that the screens then in use 
invariably caused. Conventional wisdom involved smashing a large hole 
through the mass of minute fragments asap. Enquiry as to how he had coped 
elicited an account of him having judged this remedy would lower the 
interior temperature unreasonably so he opted instead for a modest finger or 
two sized spyhole. Responding to comment about how tricky continued driving 
must have been, he observed wryly "the opposition disintegrated".

Priceless!

Another sad loss,

Dave Newbitt.

-----Original Message----- 
From: dave.mdv via Tech1
Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2019 8:41 PM
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: [Tech1] More sad news

I heard today from Malcolm Johnson that Gordon Mackie, Sound Manager 'D'
at TVC, had passed away. I'm sure that Malcolm will fill in the details
soon. Regards, Dave

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From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net  Wed May 15 02:43:36 2019
From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt)
Date: Wed, 15 May 2019 08:43:36 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Alan Kerridge
In-Reply-To: <3d998af2-1b56-367c-872e-862ed349d69a@btinternet.com>
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As you say Dave, a brilliant cartoon drawing and I really enjoyed seeing it. 
Also the STO 20 course photo - it's good to see faces from so long ago and 
drum up memories of people one has probably not thought about in years.

Best wishes,

Dave Newbitt.

-----Original Message----- 
From: dave.mdv via Tech1
Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2019 2:27 PM
To: Geoff Hawkes ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: [Tech1] Alan Kerridge

Alan was with me on STO 20 (Tel.) in 1966. I remember him as being a a
very quiet chap but a very gifted artist. One of the social happenings
during the course were frequent trips to 'The Dolphin' in Bishampton to
play the locals at 9-pin skittles, refreshments being provided by the
wives of their team. Alan came up with the name for our team and drew
the attached cartoon for us, he signed it and gave it to me. I have also
attached the course picture together with a couple of photos at the
skittle alley (from Mike Minchin). During a recent stay at the Wood
Norton Hotel I re-visited 'The Dolphin', for old times sake, and was sad
to discover that the skittle alley was closed and the pub had no real
ale! Cheers, Dave






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From mibridge at mac.com  Wed May 15 03:00:27 2019
From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles)
Date: Wed, 15 May 2019 09:00:27 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Alan Kerridge
In-Reply-To: <13B2A74750024311A1121D1439A88B35@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>
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What illustrious company you kept Dave!

I think it was Alan who brought in a binaural recording of an outdoor concert that we had both coincidentally attended at Guildford Cathedral and we?d obviously been in very much the same spot. We were killing time in Studio E before Nationwide and I popped his earphones on to hear the atmosphere before the band started playing and I was absolutely amazed that it was just as if I was sitting back on the grass, with identifiable voices in clearly defined locations and most significantly a rope flapping against an aluminium flagpole a bit behind my right shoulder. Even the occasional vehicle seemed to drive behind us at just the right distance. 

I presume it was a continuing hobby, but I never heard anything else of his. 

Mike G

> On 15 May 2019, at 08:43, David Newbitt via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> As you say Dave, a brilliant cartoon drawing and I really enjoyed seeing it. Also the STO 20 course photo - it's good to see faces from so long ago and drum up memories of people one has probably not thought about in years.
> 
> Best wishes,
> 
> Dave Newbitt.
> 
> -----Original Message----- From: dave.mdv via Tech1
> Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2019 2:27 PM
> To: Geoff Hawkes ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> Subject: [Tech1] Alan Kerridge
> 
> Alan was with me on STO 20 (Tel.) in 1966. I remember him as being a a
> very quiet chap but a very gifted artist. One of the social happenings
> during the course were frequent trips to 'The Dolphin' in Bishampton to
> play the locals at 9-pin skittles, refreshments being provided by the
> wives of their team. Alan came up with the name for our team and drew
> the attached cartoon for us, he signed it and gave it to me. I have also
> attached the course picture together with a couple of photos at the
> skittle alley (from Mike Minchin). During a recent stay at the Wood
> Norton Hotel I re-visited 'The Dolphin', for old times sake, and was sad
> to discover that the skittle alley was closed and the pub had no real
> ale! Cheers, Dave
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Wed May 15 03:29:37 2019
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Wed, 15 May 2019 09:29:37 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: Re: [Pres] Today's birdcam feed
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Hi Geoff

They are bluetits - http://www.bird-cam.co.uk/blue-tits-the-life-cycle

Today's live feed -https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHcU9_E7aQQ

B



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Subject: 	Re: [Pres] Today's birdcam feed
Date: 	Wed, 15 May 2019 10:08:02 +1000
From: 	Geoff Howard <geoffghoward at gmail.com>
To: 	Bernard Newnham <bernie833 at gmail.com>



Very nice Bernie, but what are they? If it's not a Kookaburra or a Galah 
I don't recognise it!
Regards , Geoff Howard

On Tue, 14 May 2019 at 19:31, Bernard Newnham via Pres 
<pres at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:pres at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-LiX1pUcts

    This is a box on the wall of our house.? It has a standard USB
    webcam connected to this computer by a long extension. Free OBS
    Studio streams the output to YouTube

    The birds are near to fledging now. In earlier years I ran the
    stream from when they hatched, but there were several sad moments
    when it all went wrong and they died. This year it looks good.

    enjoy

    B


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From waresound at msn.com  Wed May 15 09:28:18 2019
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Wed, 15 May 2019 14:28:18 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Alan Kerridge
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Was Alan related to Adrian Kerridge, founder of Cadac, boss of Lansdowne Studios, and for some time, Chairman of APRS? Seems too much of a coincidence.

As I follow the recent spate of sad demises, I?m reminded that I knew them all, and having left so long ago, I still see and hear them in my mind as I knew them then.

Gordon was someone I looked up to right from my start in 1960. I think if I remember right, the Sound Supervisor was part of the crew in those days. Gordon was very supportive to me at a time when one of the crew was making a right pest of himself - something I had naively not expected at the BBC.
Gordon had a wonderfully apt line that he would utter on sound talkback just as we were about to go live or start recording: ?All I ask is perfect sound and no booms in shot?. You might think that was stating the obvious, but it was a great mind focusser, and was what he generally got. I have to confess, I have stolen that line on many occasions, but coming from me it was nothing as compared to him. Probably helped me though.

After I left the BBC I never really looked back until fairly recently, and now I find it fascinating to go to Disorganised gatherings and catch up. I?m proud to have been there, and proud to have known you all! And R.I.P. to all those sadly no longer with us.
Fondest regards (if not too gushing) would be an understatement.
Nick.
Sent from Menorca on my iPad

On 15 May 2019, at 10:01, Mike Giles via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk<mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:

What illustrious company you kept Dave!

I think it was Alan who brought in a binaural recording of an outdoor concert that we had both coincidentally attended at Guildford Cathedral and we?d obviously been in very much the same spot. We were killing time in Studio E before Nationwide and I popped his earphones on to hear the atmosphere before the band started playing and I was absolutely amazed that it was just as if I was sitting back on the grass, with identifiable voices in clearly defined locations and most significantly a rope flapping against an aluminium flagpole a bit behind my right shoulder. Even the occasional vehicle seemed to drive behind us at just the right distance.

I presume it was a continuing hobby, but I never heard anything else of his.

Mike G

On 15 May 2019, at 08:43, David Newbitt via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk<mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:

As you say Dave, a brilliant cartoon drawing and I really enjoyed seeing it. Also the STO 20 course photo - it's good to see faces from so long ago and drum up memories of people one has probably not thought about in years.

Best wishes,

Dave Newbitt.

-----Original Message----- From: dave.mdv via Tech1
Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2019 2:27 PM
To: Geoff Hawkes ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk<mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
Subject: [Tech1] Alan Kerridge

Alan was with me on STO 20 (Tel.) in 1966. I remember him as being a a
very quiet chap but a very gifted artist. One of the social happenings
during the course were frequent trips to 'The Dolphin' in Bishampton to
play the locals at 9-pin skittles, refreshments being provided by the
wives of their team. Alan came up with the name for our team and drew
the attached cartoon for us, he signed it and gave it to me. I have also
attached the course picture together with a couple of photos at the
skittle alley (from Mike Minchin). During a recent stay at the Wood
Norton Hotel I re-visited 'The Dolphin', for old times sake, and was sad
to discover that the skittle alley was closed and the pub had no real
ale! Cheers, Dave






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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Thu May 16 02:43:41 2019
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Thu, 16 May 2019 08:43:41 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] More sad news
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Very sad to hear about Gordon. I was under his watchful eye on a Sound Supervisors? Course ? think he put me on the desk for a few Dr. Who episodes ? pretty sure it was in Riverside. He was very generous in his tutelage, but I chiefly remember him practising his golf swing with an imaginary club, in the control rooms, muttering darkly about: ?Bloody Gramophone Operators!? But I think he meant it quite fondly.
RIP Gordon
Pat

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From: dave.mdv via Tech1
Sent: 14 May 2019 20:41
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: [Tech1] More sad news

I heard today from Malcolm Johnson that Gordon Mackie, Sound Manager 'D' 
at TVC, had passed away. I'm sure that Malcolm will fill in the details 
soon. Regards, Dave

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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Thu May 16 03:25:56 2019
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Thu, 16 May 2019 09:25:56 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Thursday birdcam
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evQq3iKRDVQ

Not long now before departure.

Sadly jackdaws are nesting nearby, with hungry chicks.

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From geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com  Thu May 16 05:10:33 2019
From: geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com (geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com)
Date: Thu, 16 May 2019 11:10:33 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Alan Kerridge
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Nick,

Thanks for your thoughts about Alan and others. There has been a lot of recollections from various people recently prompted by the loss of some of our former colleagues and it?s been good to read them.

As far as I know Alan wasn?t related to Adrian Kerridge, or Tom Kerridge of Kerridges Bar & Grill in Northumberland Avenue, though it would have been good if he was. He had only one brother and he died many years ago and only distant cousins survive him today.

I make connections like that myself all the time but they usually come to nothing, the world isn?t always small.

I didn?t have much to do with Gordon Mackie myself as I only spent a short time on sound but remember annoying him once. We were working at Riverside and as the dogs-body, was despatched to collect the mail from the Jennery in Threshold House. There were lots of important looking things in his pigeon hole and not knowing which were urgent and which not, I scooped them all up and presented them to him at e sound desk in R1. He turned to me gruffly and said, ?I thought I?d asked you to bring just the messages!? I explained weakly that I wasn?t sure what was needed, but that didn?t do and I felt put down about it. I never took to the man after that and was glad not to have to work under him very much. Though I know lots of people liked him, I?m not keen on grumpy people generally and I?m sure he wasn?t always like that, dour Scotsman or not.

The Sound Supervisor who I liked most was Frank Radcliffe. On my return from our initial training course at Evesham I was put on Crew 1 Sound and the twice weekly soap Compact was one of our regulars. I was trusted to do a boom and as a junior, found it quite scary. Frank was so patient, understanding and helpful and I still look back on the pre-transmission notes sessions in the Sound control room and his encouraging comments over talkback as being among my happiest memories of that time. Sadly he died while still in service, quite early on in my career and after I?d moved over to Cameras. I felt the loss of him even so and wrote a letter of tribute to John Eden-Eadon which he thanked me for and said he?d pass on to the family.

As you say, we were surrounded by many great people of all trades and descriptions and it was good to know them all,

Regards,

 

Geoff Hawkes

 

From: Tech1 [mailto:tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk] On Behalf Of Nick Ware via Tech1
Sent: 15 May 2019 15:28
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Alan Kerridge

 

Was Alan related to Adrian Kerridge, founder of Cadac, boss of Lansdowne Studios, and for some time, Chairman of APRS? Seems too much of a coincidence. 

 

As I follow the recent spate of sad demises, I?m reminded that I knew them all, and having left so long ago, I still see and hear them in my mind as I knew them then.

 

Gordon was someone I looked up to right from my start in 1960. I think if I remember right, the Sound Supervisor was part of the crew in those days. Gordon was very supportive to me at a time when one of the crew was making a right pest of himself - something I had naively not expected at the BBC. 

Gordon had a wonderfully apt line that he would utter on sound talkback just as we were about to go live or start recording: ?All I ask is perfect sound and no booms in shot?. You might think that was stating the obvious, but it was a great mind focusser, and was what he generally got. I have to confess, I have stolen that line on many occasions, but coming from me it was nothing as compared to him. Probably helped me though.

 

After I left the BBC I never really looked back until fairly recently, and now I find it fascinating to go to Disorganised gatherings and catch up. I?m proud to have been there, and proud to have known you all! And R.I.P. to all those sadly no longer with us.

Fondest regards (if not too gushing) would be an understatement.

Nick.

Sent from Menorca on my iPad


On 15 May 2019, at 10:01, Mike Giles via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

What illustrious company you kept Dave!

I think it was Alan who brought in a binaural recording of an outdoor concert that we had both coincidentally attended at Guildford Cathedral and we?d obviously been in very much the same spot. We were killing time in Studio E before Nationwide and I popped his earphones on to hear the atmosphere before the band started playing and I was absolutely amazed that it was just as if I was sitting back on the grass, with identifiable voices in clearly defined locations and most significantly a rope flapping against an aluminium flagpole a bit behind my right shoulder. Even the occasional vehicle seemed to drive behind us at just the right distance. 

I presume it was a continuing hobby, but I never heard anything else of his. 

Mike G



On 15 May 2019, at 08:43, David Newbitt via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

 

As you say Dave, a brilliant cartoon drawing and I really enjoyed seeing it. Also the STO 20 course photo - it's good to see faces from so long ago and drum up memories of people one has probably not thought about in years.

 

Best wishes,

 

Dave Newbitt.

 

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Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2019 2:27 PM

To: Geoff Hawkes ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk

Subject: [Tech1] Alan Kerridge

 

Alan was with me on STO 20 (Tel.) in 1966. I remember him as being a a

very quiet chap but a very gifted artist. One of the social happenings

during the course were frequent trips to 'The Dolphin' in Bishampton to

play the locals at 9-pin skittles, refreshments being provided by the

wives of their team. Alan came up with the name for our team and drew

the attached cartoon for us, he signed it and gave it to me. I have also

attached the course picture together with a couple of photos at the

skittle alley (from Mike Minchin). During a recent stay at the Wood

Norton Hotel I re-visited 'The Dolphin', for old times sake, and was sad

to discover that the skittle alley was closed and the pub had no real

ale! Cheers, Dave

 

 

 

 

 

 

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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Thu May 16 13:07:07 2019
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Thu, 16 May 2019 19:07:07 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Frank Radcliffe
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I think everyone liked Frank! I was working in Lime Grove one Sunday 
afternoon when PBX rang the gallery to see if anyone could help the 
caller. Sadly, it was Franks son who was trying to inform the BBC that 
Frank had just died while working on his car. I was able to get him 
transferred to the Duty Engineer, the most senior person on the 
technical side on duty at the weekend. Some years later, the same lad 
was attached to me when I was an SA1 on Crew 1 and he had a long career 
in sound, I believe. Cheers, Dave


From j at howell61.f9.co.uk  Thu May 16 15:22:19 2019
From: j at howell61.f9.co.uk (John Howell)
Date: Thu, 16 May 2019 21:22:19 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Gordon Mackie
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Like others I was sad to hear of Gordon's passing, I think he was a bit 
scary for Production Teams (and others!) with his authoritarian tone.

The way to learn about Sound Supervising was from that privileged 
position of Grams & Tape Op and I learned a lot in the control room

with Gordon on many 30 Minute Theatres, Apollo Missions and "Roads to 
Freedom". When he became Sound Manager 'D'

I was carrying out Proving Trials for Studio C at Elstree and one of my 
crew got a shock off a wall box. I sought out a Voltmeter

and duly logged the? problem. Apparently some engineering staff took 
exception to a Tech Op (me)dealing with Voltages over 50,

(it was 53!) Gordon defended my actions by asking how would I know it 
was over 50 if I hadn't got the meter? Thank you Gordon!


When operating a boom under Gordon's supervision you would occasionally 
hear the 'blip' on Sound Talkback

indicating the Sound Sup was about to speak. All you got was what can 
only be described? as "erm!" in a Scottish accent.

 From this you were expected to deduce you were doing something wrong, 
usually getting your mic in shot. If you persisted

you would be branded a "crotty fellow".


Then yes, there was golf swing practice, and if Jimmy Purdie was 
Lighting the show............


Happy days, rest in Peace Gordon,

John Howell.

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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Thu May 16 18:04:49 2019
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Fri, 17 May 2019 00:04:49 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Red and wet
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Lovely story emerging about a diner in the Hawksmoor Restaurant in 
Manchester who ordered a bottle of wine costing ?260 and was 
accidentally served a bottle costing ?4600(!) by a trainee waiter. I 
don't think any of us could relate to that sort of scenario! I baulk at 
restaurant wine prices anyway and usually go for the 'house red' in the 
belief that the majority of diners would do the same, so it must be 
fairly decent in order to encourage us to go back! Cheers, hic, Dave


From pat.heigham at amps.net  Fri May 17 08:40:49 2019
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Fri, 17 May 2019 14:40:49 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Red and wet
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That?s an appalling price! Wonder if the diner only got to pay the ?260?
Shooting in a London Nightclub, once, during the day, the staff had left the wine list on the tables, and there were examples at ?800 a bottle. We learned that most of the clientele were Saudi princes or businessmen, so had more $$$ than sand grains in their slippers.
Saudi is dry, in more ways than one, as I found to my disappointment
when trapped in a Jeddah hotel on a job for the country?s water board.
I did treat friends to lunch in a Devon pub recently and pushed the boat out for a NZ Sauvignon Blanc at ?25, but I would normally only pay that for champagne from Majestic!
And why do indian restaurant waiters always fill your glass to the brim?
Filmed in the cellars of Chateau Margaux, once, they gave us a complimentary glass of that year?s product, and pointed to a bottle of their oldest vintage.
But said that it could have turned to vinegar! 
Pat

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From: dave.mdv via Tech1
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To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk; Phil; Dave
Subject: [Tech1] Red and wet

Lovely story emerging about a diner in the Hawksmoor Restaurant in 
Manchester who ordered a bottle of wine costing ?260 and was 
accidentally served a bottle costing ?4600(!) by a trainee waiter. I 
don't think any of us could relate to that sort of scenario! I baulk at 
restaurant wine prices anyway and usually go for the 'house red' in the 
belief that the majority of diners would do the same, so it must be 
fairly decent in order to encourage us to go back! Cheers, hic, Dave

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From waresound at msn.com  Fri May 17 15:22:13 2019
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Fri, 17 May 2019 20:22:13 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Red and wet
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I daresay people who are daft enough to pay thousands for a bottle of wine that could have turned to vinegar might be the same target market as those that pay $300,000+ for a gramophone turntable, despite the inconvenient truth that they still utilise the same old mass-pressed plastic warpy discs and non-constant velocity, mis-tracking scratchy thingy.
I?m sorry, I don?t have a filming anecdote to support this theory.
Me cynical? Oh yes!
(But I do agree with the house red theory.)
Cheers,
Nick.
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Lovely story emerging about a diner in the Hawksmoor Restaurant in Manchester who ordered a bottle of wine costing ?260 and was accidentally served a bottle costing ?4600(!) by a trainee waiter. I don't think any of us could relate to that sort of scenario! I baulk at restaurant wine prices anyway and usually go for the 'house red' in the belief that the majority of diners would do the same, so it must be fairly decent in order to encourage us to go back! Cheers, hic, Dave

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From mikej at bmanor.co.uk  Sun May 19 06:13:21 2019
From: mikej at bmanor.co.uk (Mike Jordan)
Date: Sun, 19 May 2019 12:13:21 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Wanted: sound engineers, make-up artists.
Message-ID: <62C28D123200455EB3B7299F13779829@Gigabyte>

Anyone want a job? Perhaps some who can make audio listenable and clear for TV and Film?

>From todays Observer:-

Wanted: sound engineers, make-up artists. No nepotists please 
Cinema needs its moments of high glamour to attract funding and sell tickets, and the Cannes film festival provides them, with plenty of diaphanous gowns, jewels and famous faces. But tomorrow an appeal will be made for something it needs even more: skilled workers who can build sets or operate cameras, as well as make-up artists, lighting and sound engineers. 

A third of film and TV producers are reporting a skills shortage, from plastering and location scouting to accounting, new research reveals. 

At Cannes this weekend Gareth Ellis-Unwin, head of film at ScreenSkills, Britain?s industry-led training body, sounded the alarm. ?We need more people to hear these opportunities are out there,? he said. ?We?re talking about the sparks, the construction teams, the hair and costume designers.? 
Ellis-Unwin, who won an Oscar as producer of The King?s Speech in 2011, wants a newly invigorated workforce, fed by school leavers and those with years of relevant experience, to be more representative. This means combating conventional nepotism. 

Fresh figures to be released in Cannes on Tuesday will demonstrate the scale of the issue. The body?s annual industry analysis will reveal that 33% of the production companies asked have faced recruitment difficulties in the past year. 

?If there are 462 people making a film, only two are the main writer and director. There are lots of other proper jobs, but things put people off,? said Ellis-Unwin. ?They think they don?t know anyone ?on the inside?. They also often don?t recognise anyone in the industry as looking like them.? 

To back up the argument a series of campaigning cinema advertisements will be released later this week, highlighting the stories of both schoolleavers and of older recruits who have found satisfying work making films and television shows. 
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Sun May 19 10:02:29 2019
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Sun, 19 May 2019 16:02:29 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Wanted: sound engineers, make-up artists.
In-Reply-To: <62C28D123200455EB3B7299F13779829@Gigabyte>
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Maybe the problem is that the sensible rates for experienced staff are not forthcoming.
I don?t think that there are many, if at all, people in The Association of Motion Picture Sound who have elder relatives to ease them into a job.
Producers who hire AMPS members can be assured of personnel who are experienced, know their job and are only welcomed into membership purely on merit.
How many times has a Production Mixer heard a producer or production manager say; ?Oh! My nephew/cousin/son/daughter/office boy/runner can ?hold the pole?, we don?t need a boom operator?
Except that you do!
Pat

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Mike Jordan via Tech1
Sent: 19 May 2019 12:16
To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat
Subject: [Tech1] Wanted: sound engineers, make-up artists.

Anyone want a job? Perhaps some who can make audio listenable and clear for TV and Film?
?
>From todays Observer:-
?
Wanted: sound engineers, make-up artists. No nepotists please 
    Cinema needs its moments of high glamour to attract funding and sell tickets, and the Cannes film festival provides them, with plenty of diaphanous gowns, jewels and famous faces. But tomorrow an appeal will be made for something it needs even more: skilled workers who can build sets or operate cameras, as well as make-up artists, lighting and sound engineers. 
    A third of film and TV producers are reporting a skills shortage, from plastering and location scouting to accounting, new research reveals. 
    At Cannes this weekend Gareth Ellis-Unwin, head of film at ScreenSkills, Britain?s industry-led training body, sounded the alarm. ?We need more people to hear these opportunities are out there,? he said. ?We?re talking about the sparks, the construction teams, the hair and costume designers.? 
    Ellis-Unwin, who won an Oscar as producer of The King?s Speech in 2011, wants a newly invigorated workforce, fed by school leavers and those with years of relevant experience, to be more representative. This means combating conventional nepotism. 
    Fresh figures to be released in Cannes on Tuesday will demonstrate the scale of the issue. The body?s annual industry analysis will reveal that 33% of the production companies asked have faced recruitment difficulties in the past year. 
    ?If there are 462 people making a film, only two are the main writer and director. There are lots of other proper jobs, but things put people off,? said Ellis-Unwin. ?They think they don?t know anyone ?on the inside?. They also often don?t recognise anyone in the industry as looking like them.? 
    To back up the argument a series of campaigning cinema advertisements will be released later this week, highlighting the stories of both schoolleavers and of older recruits who have found satisfying work making films and television shows. 



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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Mon May 20 06:50:49 2019
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Mon, 20 May 2019 12:50:49 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Test please ignore
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Test please ignore
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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Mon May 20 06:51:24 2019
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Mon, 20 May 2019 12:51:24 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Test please ignore NTL
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Test please ignore? NTL
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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Sat May 25 13:19:33 2019
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Sat, 25 May 2019 19:19:33 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Tech1 gone quiet?
In-Reply-To: <VI1P192MB0271440E469A19A1F9AAE401A7030@VI1P192MB0271.EURP192.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
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No, you haven't been dumped, as I received your message! I've also been 
away on holiday in Donegal, so expect new topics any time now! Cheers, Dave


From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Sat May 25 14:56:16 2019
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Sat, 25 May 2019 20:56:16 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Fuel prices
Message-ID: <bc421d72-7d55-89c2-7c12-2344925ee80d@btinternet.com>

In Eire, the fuel prices vary wildly even along the same road! I saw 
unleaded at ?1.469 and diesel at ?1.339 at one garage and a bit further 
along the road both were ?1.329! Cheers, Dave


From waresound at msn.com  Sat May 25 16:47:30 2019
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Sat, 25 May 2019 21:47:30 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Fuel prices
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I think you?ll find that the pump prices are set by the till, not the manager. When the till says sales are good, it can afford to ease the price up, and when sales drop off again it lowers the price to entice more customers in, thereby maintaining optimum sales targets.
Except on motorways, of course, where prices are a rip-off because you (the customer) don?t have a choice.
Cheers,
Nick.
Sent from my iPad

On 25 May 2019, at 20:56, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk<mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:

In Eire, the fuel prices vary wildly even along the same road! I saw unleaded at ?1.469 and diesel at ?1.339 at one garage and a bit further along the road both were ?1.329! Cheers, Dave

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From jccglass at gmail.com  Sun May 26 04:19:17 2019
From: jccglass at gmail.com (Chris on gmail)
Date: Sun, 26 May 2019 10:19:17 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Politics
References: <18e9c83d-b75c-aa7e-307e-2fac6f05eee5@btinternet.com><VI1P192MB0271440E469A19A1F9AAE401A7030@VI1P192MB0271.EURP192.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
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Message-ID: <CC324FEAC4854E3E84B6A7CB7FFC0F37@dell9100>

I know  We avoid politics as a rule
but have just heard Michale Gove described a Blofeld

it seem ripe someone good at photoshop
007  Boris - Do you expect me to Talk?
Blofeld No Mr Boris i expect you to Die!


From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Sun May 26 16:58:14 2019
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Sun, 26 May 2019 22:58:14 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Handel's 'Sarabande'
Message-ID: <74ce0d9d-0330-8f76-3840-70ba47a920cb@btinternet.com>

Yet another version on the Cafe del Mar label 'Classical', this CD is 
stuff by different composers. The original MP3 was 10 Mb which was too 
big to e-mail to you but there is a free on-line service to reduce MP3 
files so now you can enjoy it! Isn't technology wonderful? Cheers, Dave
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From ohbytheway.tv at gmail.com  Mon May 27 10:30:56 2019
From: ohbytheway.tv at gmail.com (David Denness)
Date: Mon, 27 May 2019 16:30:56 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Fuel prices
In-Reply-To: <VI1P192MB02714164556E1F7D26F8C60DA7030@VI1P192MB0271.EURP192.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
References: <bc421d72-7d55-89c2-7c12-2344925ee80d@btinternet.com>
	<VI1P192MB02714164556E1F7D26F8C60DA7030@VI1P192MB0271.EURP192.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
Message-ID: <00d401d514a1$2e6fb2a0$8b4f17e0$@gmail.com>

Biggest factor in motorway fuel prices is the extortionate rents charged to the fuel operators just to be there

Same as the food prices

Dave D

 

From: Tech1 <tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk> On Behalf Of Nick Ware via Tech1
Sent: 25 May 2019 22:48
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Fuel prices

 

I think you?ll find that the pump prices are set by the till, not the manager. When the till says sales are good, it can afford to ease the price up, and when sales drop off again it lowers the price to entice more customers in, thereby maintaining optimum sales targets. 

Except on motorways, of course, where prices are a rip-off because you (the customer) don?t have a choice. 

Cheers,

Nick.

Sent from my iPad


On 25 May 2019, at 20:56, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> > wrote:

In Eire, the fuel prices vary wildly even along the same road! I saw unleaded at ?1.469 and diesel at ?1.339 at one garage and a bit further along the road both were ?1.329! Cheers, Dave

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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Tue May 28 17:54:09 2019
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Tue, 28 May 2019 23:54:09 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Funerals
Message-ID: <fe0b0ee4-38d2-66db-8ddf-9dcf845b3d06@btinternet.com>

In the next two weeks I could attend three BBC funerals of people I have 
known. Depressing isn't it? No cheers, Dave


From bernie833 at gmail.com  Wed May 29 05:55:48 2019
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Wed, 29 May 2019 11:55:48 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Crosswords
Message-ID: <5c5dc98b-17d0-dde1-3e7f-ba7ec77ac0a2@gmail.com>

Here at Newnham Towers we seem to have accidentally got into doing 
general knowledge crosswords over breakfast . My wife says that it's 
useful exercise for the brain, and though she's right, if I want real 
brain exercise I write a computer program. I must get into learning 
Python at some point.

Anyway, when we don't know the answers, we do in the end look them up. 
After all, who knows the name of the manager of Spurs in the 1992 season?

The Sunday Times general knowledge crossword has the most difficult 
clues, and we look them up more than others - and I've discovered 
something. There are a number of crossword answer sites, but the ST 
clues mostly lead to a place called Danword.? To find the answer you 
have to scroll down through an advert, which is fair enough - got to pay 
for the website somehow.? Then, below the answer, it says - "You may be 
interested in these", and has a whole list of answers to the ST crossword.

So - does the Sunday Times give the answers to Danword in advance?? Does 
the crossword just come from some library? Does the ST get a share of 
whatever advertising revenue that Danword gets, which can't be much? Or 
is there some other secret crossword conspiracy, probably run by the 
Illuminati?

B
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From rogerbunce at btinternet.com  Wed May 29 09:02:30 2019
From: rogerbunce at btinternet.com (ROGER BUNCE)
Date: Wed, 29 May 2019 14:02:30 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tech1] Crosswords
In-Reply-To: <5c5dc98b-17d0-dde1-3e7f-ba7ec77ac0a2@gmail.com>
References: <5c5dc98b-17d0-dde1-3e7f-ba7ec77ac0a2@gmail.com>
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 The 'Watchdog' Crew used to do a General Knowledge crossword, during the course of our working day. It think it was in Peter Booth's 'Daily Telegraph'. I used to enjoy it, but then some idiot invented this newfangled Inter-webby thing, and you could just Google anything you didn't know. Took all the fun out of it.
Then I moved on to Cryptics. The 'Metro' used to have one that was about my level. I'd often pick one up on the tube, going to work. I claimed that I could finish it between Oxford Circus and Bond Street. With slightly greater honesty, I'd admit that I started it at Oxford Circus, on my way into work; worked on it at intervals during my 12 hour day, and had usually finished it by Bond Street, on the way home.
Now, mostly, I only do the 'Radio Times' cryptic, which is rather a good one - spoiled only by occasionally using the name of some celeb I've never heard of, or some popular TV programme I've never watched.
There seem to be lots of websites giving the answers to specific crosswords. My wife sometimes resorts to them when I get completely stuck. Some are obviously just chat-sites, to which fanatically fans of a particular crossword send in their answers. Some of these people are amazingly quick, and have finished the 'Radio Times' crossword even before I've angrily torn out the useless advertising bumf in the middle. I suspect that even the ones that don't look like forums are run in the same way - a hard-core of geniuses sending in their answers at amazing speed.
You can tell Crosswords compiled by the illuminati, because they are usually written in the Enochian language, and have the SATOR square in one corner.
Stendek, my friends!
luv, Rog.

    On Wednesday, 29 May 2019, 11:56:26 BST, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:  
 
   Here at Newnham Towers we seem to have accidentally got into doing general knowledge crosswords over breakfast . My wife says that it's useful exercise for the brain, and though she's right, if I want real brain exercise I write a computer program. I must get into learning Python at some point.
 
 Anyway, when we don't know the answers, we do in the end look them up. After all, who knows the name of the manager of Spurs in the 1992 season?? 
 
 The Sunday Times general knowledge crossword has the most difficult clues, and we look them up more than others - and I've discovered something. There are a number of crossword answer sites, but the ST clues mostly lead to a place called Danword.? To find the answer you have to scroll down through an advert, which is fair enough - got to pay for the website somehow.? Then, below the answer, it says - "You may be interested in these", and has a whole list of answers to the ST crossword.
 
 So - does the Sunday Times give the answers to Danword in advance?? Does the crossword just come from some library? Does the ST get a share of whatever advertising revenue that Danword gets, which can't be much? Or is there some other secret crossword conspiracy, probably run by the Illuminati?
 
 B 
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From crew13 at vincent68.plus.com  Wed May 29 09:37:28 2019
From: crew13 at vincent68.plus.com (John Vincent)
Date: Wed, 29 May 2019 15:37:28 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Where were you when the first men landed on the Moon
Message-ID: <D513390C-8EEF-4317-8728-34648EC3A3AA@vincent68.plus.com>

With the 50th anniversary nearly with us, like the killing of
Kennedy and Lennon I bet most of us know where we were and what we were doing,

I was in TC2  Next door Moore and Burke and co could hardly waffle on for 6 hours while the Astronauts got into their spacesuits.

It was a programme called "What if it's made of Green Cheese?'

Can't remember much except there was a session by Pink Floyd and part was a version of 'Moonhead'. 
It was the inspiration for "Dark Side of the Moon'

I was tracking a Heron. It might have been Geoff Dudley on the front.

Where were you?

John V

From chris.booth at froyle.com  Wed May 29 09:40:05 2019
From: chris.booth at froyle.com (chris.booth at froyle.com)
Date: Wed, 29 May 2019 15:40:05 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Where were you when the first men landed on the Moon
In-Reply-To: <D513390C-8EEF-4317-8728-34648EC3A3AA@vincent68.plus.com>
References: <D513390C-8EEF-4317-8728-34648EC3A3AA@vincent68.plus.com>
Message-ID: <CBAE413E3F3F4ADB9C877DE1039D344F@Archiveupgrade>

VT11 recording and turning round the event.
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Chris B

-----Original Message----- 
From: John Vincent via Tech1
Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2019 3:37 PM
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: [Tech1] Where were you when the first men landed on the Moon

With the 50th anniversary nearly with us, like the killing of
Kennedy and Lennon I bet most of us know where we were and what we were 
doing,

I was in TC2  Next door Moore and Burke and co could hardly waffle on for 6 
hours while the Astronauts got into their spacesuits.

It was a programme called "What if it's made of Green Cheese?'

Can't remember much except there was a session by Pink Floyd and part was a 
version of 'Moonhead'.
It was the inspiration for "Dark Side of the Moon'

I was tracking a Heron. It might have been Geoff Dudley on the front.

Where were you?

John V
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From peter.neill at icloud.com  Wed May 29 09:49:56 2019
From: peter.neill at icloud.com (Peter Neill)
Date: Wed, 29 May 2019 14:49:56 GMT
Subject: [Tech1] 
 =?utf-8?q?Where_were_you_when_the_first_men_landed_on_th?=
 =?utf-8?q?e_Moon?=
Message-ID: <709b97a9-dcd3-493b-85e0-e61d3c25d537@me.com>

We were on holiday in Bristol, using a friend's uni flat (which she had to pay rent on over the summer to keep it for the following year. There was no TV so we listened in bed on the radio.
However, the local cinema had pictures in the newsreel on the following day. I think we had gone to see Oliver!


Peter





On May 29, 2019 at 3:38 PM, John Vincent via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:


With the 50th anniversary nearly with us, like the killing of
Kennedy and Lennon I bet most of us know where we were and what we were doing,

I was in TC2 Next door Moore and Burke and co could hardly waffle on for 6 hours while the Astronauts got into their spacesuits.

It was a programme called "What if it's made of Green Cheese?'

Can't remember much except there was a session by Pink Floyd and part was a version of 'Moonhead'.
It was the inspiration for "Dark Side of the Moon'

I was tracking a Heron. It might have been Geoff Dudley on the front.

Where were you?

John V
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From peter.neill at icloud.com  Wed May 29 09:56:09 2019
From: peter.neill at icloud.com (Peter Neill)
Date: Wed, 29 May 2019 14:56:09 GMT
Subject: [Tech1] 
 =?utf-8?q?Where_were_you_when_the_first_men_landed_on_th?=
 =?utf-8?q?e_Moon?=
Message-ID: <27d33af5-c709-4428-870a-bb94c455bb0e@me.com>

Incidentally, the episode of Endeavour shown on ITV3 last night had references to the moon landing.
It finished with a shot of the night sky, showing the moon. Unfortunately, you could also see the constellation Orion. Which is only visible in the Northern Hemisphere in winter. Not July.


Peter

On May 29, 2019 at 3:38 PM, John Vincent via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:


With the 50th anniversary nearly with us, like the killing of
Kennedy and Lennon I bet most of us know where we were and what we were doing,

I was in TC2 Next door Moore and Burke and co could hardly waffle on for 6 hours while the Astronauts got into their spacesuits.

It was a programme called "What if it's made of Green Cheese?'

Can't remember much except there was a session by Pink Floyd and part was a version of 'Moonhead'.
It was the inspiration for "Dark Side of the Moon'

I was tracking a Heron. It might have been Geoff Dudley on the front.

Where were you?

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From ohbytheway.tv at gmail.com  Wed May 29 11:38:25 2019
From: ohbytheway.tv at gmail.com (David Denness)
Date: Wed, 29 May 2019 17:38:25 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Where were you when the first men landed on the Moon
In-Reply-To: <D513390C-8EEF-4317-8728-34648EC3A3AA@vincent68.plus.com>
References: <D513390C-8EEF-4317-8728-34648EC3A3AA@vincent68.plus.com>
Message-ID: <000001d5163c$f08a6c30$d19f4490$@gmail.com>

I know where I was. Jodrell Bank Radio Astronomy site at Wilmslow outside
Manchester.

I was with Intertel Television in those days just a few months after leaving
TVC

We were working for BBC, ITN, ABC TV (USA) NBC TV (USA) CBS News (USA)
Japanese TV, German TV and I think French TV as well.
The whole world seemed to want to talk to Bernard Lovell the head of
astronomy at Manchester University and thus the senior scientist at Jodrell
bank.
I remember he would not be interviewed by David Frost for ITV but insisted
he would only talk to ITN, saying it was a scientific exercise not an
entertainment show.

We were supposed to get some sleep after Apollo touched down and the
astronauts rested. Unfortunately at that time the director, one Gordon
Hesketh, managed to spill half a bottle of red wine into the Vision Mixer,
the only USA made Riker unit in the country at the time.
So we sent the cameramen off to the hotel whereupon Vision, Sound and VTR
engineers dismantled the top panel of the switcher and cleaned all the
mechanical buttons before reassembly and testing enabling us to get back on
air with half an hour to spare.
There are a few other stories associated with that few days but I won't bore
you with them now.

All the best
Dave D

David Denness
2 Cambridge Park Court
Twickenham TW1 2JN
07836 371108

-----Original Message-----
From: Tech1 <tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk> On Behalf Of John Vincent via
Tech1
Sent: 29 May 2019 15:37
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: [Tech1] Where were you when the first men landed on the Moon

With the 50th anniversary nearly with us, like the killing of Kennedy and
Lennon I bet most of us know where we were and what we were doing,

I was in TC2  Next door Moore and Burke and co could hardly waffle on for 6
hours while the Astronauts got into their spacesuits.

It was a programme called "What if it's made of Green Cheese?'

Can't remember much except there was a session by Pink Floyd and part was a
version of 'Moonhead'. 
It was the inspiration for "Dark Side of the Moon'

I was tracking a Heron. It might have been Geoff Dudley on the front.

Where were you?

John V
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From gary_critcher at yahoo.com  Wed May 29 12:34:30 2019
From: gary_critcher at yahoo.com (Gary Critcher)
Date: Wed, 29 May 2019 17:34:30 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tech1] Weather forecast on tonights' BBC1 18.00 News
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So what was going on here? 

 Every time the weather forecaster turned AWAY from the camera (and towards the weather map) his sound got better!!

  He had a clip on (radio?) mic on his jacket so I don't understand. 
Did anyone else see it?

 ATB,
Gary


From graeme.wall at icloud.com  Wed May 29 12:41:12 2019
From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall)
Date: Wed, 29 May 2019 18:41:12 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Where were you when the first men landed on the Moon
In-Reply-To: <D513390C-8EEF-4317-8728-34648EC3A3AA@vincent68.plus.com>
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TO course at Evesham.  Everyone stayed up to watch Neli Armstrong walk on the moon, the following day?s lectures were just a blur!
? 
Graeme Wall


> On 29 May 2019, at 15:37, John Vincent via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> With the 50th anniversary nearly with us, like the killing of
> Kennedy and Lennon I bet most of us know where we were and what we were doing,
> 
> I was in TC2  Next door Moore and Burke and co could hardly waffle on for 6 hours while the Astronauts got into their spacesuits.
> 
> It was a programme called "What if it's made of Green Cheese?'
> 
> Can't remember much except there was a session by Pink Floyd and part was a version of 'Moonhead'. 
> It was the inspiration for "Dark Side of the Moon'
> 
> I was tracking a Heron. It might have been Geoff Dudley on the front.
> 
> Where were you?
> 
> John V
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Wed May 29 13:35:32 2019
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Wed, 29 May 2019 19:35:32 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Where were you when the first men landed on the Moon
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I was at home with my parents, and we had an aged aunt living with us. When she was a child, there was no electricity in her house, yet she survived long enough to watch, on TV, man walking on the moon. So much advancement in a short time-span.
I loved the film ?Capricorn One? which posed the idea that it was all faked up for political reasons.
Pat


Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: John Vincent via Tech1
Sent: 29 May 2019 15:37
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: [Tech1] Where were you when the first men landed on the Moon

With the 50th anniversary nearly with us, like the killing of
Kennedy and Lennon I bet most of us know where we were and what we were doing,


Where were you?

John V



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From barrybonner119 at btinternet.com  Wed May 29 14:09:38 2019
From: barrybonner119 at btinternet.com (Barry Bonner)
Date: Wed, 29 May 2019 20:09:38 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Weather forecast on tonights' BBC1 18.00 News
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	<6686784.12832845.1559151270305@mail.yahoo.com>
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Hi Gary,
	His mic was on his left lapel so when he turned his head to the map he was closer to the mic thus when he turned to camera he was off mic. 
	When we did the weather in Pres A we worked the fader quite hard to compensate this problem. There?s nobody there to sort the problem.
	Someone should have a word about how far he was turning towards the map as we were only seeing his back!

	Whilst I?m having a rant here has anybody noticed the awful framing of the presenters on London News? Often their head is flirting with the top of frame. The mid shot is too tight.
	If you remove the humans standards fall. Also the sound mixing is bad, seems that they fade the fader to the mark no matter what the level is. 
	I was told that they rotated jobs which may explain the lack of specific skills.
	Interviews in the street generally cut the tops of heads off! 
	If you watch the Six O?clock News in HD (Channel 101) then switch to London News (Channel 1) which is in SD you miss the first few words as there is no music link at the start, tut tut BBC!

	As I found out in my career, journalists have little knowledge of or time for technical stuff!
Barry.



On 29 May 2019, at 18:34, Gary Critcher via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

> So what was going on here? 
> 
> Every time the weather forecaster turned AWAY from the camera (and towards the weather map) his sound got better!!
> 
>  He had a clip on (radio?) mic on his jacket so I don't understand. 
> Did anyone else see it?
> 
> ATB,
> Gary
> 
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From tonyscott1000 at gmail.com  Wed May 29 14:23:09 2019
From: tonyscott1000 at gmail.com (Tony Scott)
Date: Wed, 29 May 2019 20:23:09 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Weather forecast on tonights' BBC1 18.00 News
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Why not put his radio mix in his tie - that would sort it!

On Wed, 29 May 2019, 20:10 Barry Bonner via Tech1, <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
wrote:

> Hi Gary,
> His mic was on his left lapel so when he turned his head to the map he was
> closer to the mic thus when he turned to camera he was off mic.
> When we did the weather in Pres A we worked the fader quite hard to
> compensate this problem. There?s nobody there to sort the problem.
> Someone should have a word about how far he was turning towards the map as
> we were only seeing his back!
>
> Whilst I?m having a rant here has anybody noticed the awful framing of the
> presenters on London News? Often their head is flirting with the top of
> frame. The mid shot is too tight.
> If you remove the humans standards fall. Also the sound mixing is bad,
> seems that they fade the fader to the mark no matter what the level is.
> I was told that they rotated jobs which may explain the lack of specific
> skills.
> Interviews in the street generally cut the tops of heads off!
> If you watch the Six O?clock News in HD (Channel 101) then switch to
> London News (Channel 1) which is in SD you miss the first few words as
> there is no music link at the start, tut tut BBC!
>
> As I found out in my career, journalists have little knowledge of or time
> for technical stuff!
> Barry.
>
>
>
> On 29 May 2019, at 18:34, Gary Critcher via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
> So what was going on here?
>
> Every time the weather forecaster turned AWAY from the camera (and towards
> the weather map) his sound got better!!
>
>  He had a clip on (radio?) mic on his jacket so I don't understand.
> Did anyone else see it?
>
> ATB,
> Gary
>
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From tonys at tonyscott.org.uk  Wed May 29 14:26:10 2019
From: tonys at tonyscott.org.uk (Tony Scott)
Date: Wed, 29 May 2019 20:26:10 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] News Channel
Message-ID: <CAOw_4rYHOamOtq69rNRBxN-YnjC40NWT3qsq-K8jR2iS9o4-0g@mail.gmail.com>

The ticket is missing from the News Channel currently - a spot of
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From barrybonner119 at btinternet.com  Wed May 29 14:30:06 2019
From: barrybonner119 at btinternet.com (Barry Bonner)
Date: Wed, 29 May 2019 20:30:06 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Weather forecast on tonights' BBC1 18.00 News
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	<6686784.12832845.1559151270305@mail.yahoo.com>
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	<CAOw_4raoHtvJUZuaZciVsfoXz+63CrzTo6UCN9jNue25n3t_UQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Hi Tony,
	Partially yes, but the level would still change somewhat when he turned to and from the map if it is not being controlled. Certainly the quality change would be less noticeable.
	I think we usually had the mic on their ties when in Pres A. He puts his own mic on nowadays as everybody knows a sound man is an unnecessary expense!
Barry.



On 29 May 2019, at 20:23, Tony Scott <tonyscott1000 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Why not put his radio mix in his tie - that would sort it!
> 
> On Wed, 29 May 2019, 20:10 Barry Bonner via Tech1, <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> Hi Gary,
> 	His mic was on his left lapel so when he turned his head to the map he was closer to the mic thus when he turned to camera he was off mic. 
> 	When we did the weather in Pres A we worked the fader quite hard to compensate this problem. There?s nobody there to sort the problem.
> 	Someone should have a word about how far he was turning towards the map as we were only seeing his back!
> 
> 	Whilst I?m having a rant here has anybody noticed the awful framing of the presenters on London News? Often their head is flirting with the top of frame. The mid shot is too tight.
> 	If you remove the humans standards fall. Also the sound mixing is bad, seems that they fade the fader to the mark no matter what the level is. 
> 	I was told that they rotated jobs which may explain the lack of specific skills.
> 	Interviews in the street generally cut the tops of heads off! 
> 	If you watch the Six O?clock News in HD (Channel 101) then switch to London News (Channel 1) which is in SD you miss the first few words as there is no music link at the start, tut tut BBC!
> 
> 	As I found out in my career, journalists have little knowledge of or time for technical stuff!
> Barry.
> 
> 
> 
> On 29 May 2019, at 18:34, Gary Critcher via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
>> So what was going on here? 
>> 
>> Every time the weather forecaster turned AWAY from the camera (and towards the weather map) his sound got better!!
>> 
>>  He had a clip on (radio?) mic on his jacket so I don't understand. 
>> Did anyone else see it?
>> 
>> ATB,
>> Gary
>> 
>> -- 
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>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk
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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Wed May 29 14:42:39 2019
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Wed, 29 May 2019 20:42:39 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Where were you when the first men landed on the Moon
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I'm sure we did this at the fortieth anniversary.

I was working on The Roy Castle show at GGH, on the strange remote 
camera. As I was sitting in vision control I could watch whilst everyone 
else outside had to concentrate on the show. ? Afterwards i drove down 
to TC and watched through the night in the engineering area of TC7.

The mention by Pat of Capricorn One tells me that we'll get all those 
mad hoax conspiritists (if that's a word) again.? I used to watch live 
on dull afternoons in Pres A during later Apollos - I'd ask CAR for a 
feed of NASA, and watched what very few others anywhere were watching, 
as the public had got bored.? Given that at times you could see the 
effect of low lunar gravity, it would all have had to be shot on 
under-cranked 35mm - lots and lots of it, as the feed ran for hours at a 
time.? And no-one has ever - not once - admitted conspiracy, not even 
the lab techs doing the processing, or the telecine operators playing it 
out. Can't think why.

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From alanaudio at me.com  Wed May 29 14:45:35 2019
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Wed, 29 May 2019 20:45:35 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Where were you when the first men landed on the Moon
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The first moon landing was a couple of months before I joined the BBC and that night coincided with the first time when my parents went on holiday, leaving me at home.  It was the first time when I was able to have my girlfriend over to stay the night.  For some reason I didn't watch any television at all that night.

In anticipation of the 30th anniversary, I was recording a series of location interviews for a TV documentary about where people were when that first moon landing happened.  During a pub lunch break I told the producer my moon landing story and she insisted that I re-told the story on camera.  After the show was transmitted, that girlfriend recognised herself and me from the story and found me via Friends Reunited.  We discovered that we only lived half an hour away from each other and arranged to meet a week or two later. A few days prior to that meeting I was working on a Countryfile show when I mentioned the story of having the house to myself for the first time ever on moon landing night, the TV interview celebrating 30 years on, how that girlfriend subsequently got in touch with me via Friends Reunited and that we were going to meet up the next week.  That evening I got a call from a friend of the producer saying that she was a researcher doing a doco about Friends Reunited and could they send a film crew to our reunion?  Needless to say my robust response was two words, with the second one being "Off"

Alan Taylor


On 29 May 2019, at 29 May . 15:37, John Vincent via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

> With the 50th anniversary nearly with us, like the killing of
> Kennedy and Lennon I bet most of us know where we were and what we were doing,
> 
> I was in TC2  Next door Moore and Burke and co could hardly waffle on for 6 hours while the Astronauts got into their spacesuits.
> 
> It was a programme called "What if it's made of Green Cheese?'
> 
> Can't remember much except there was a session by Pink Floyd and part was a version of 'Moonhead'. 
> It was the inspiration for "Dark Side of the Moon'
> 
> I was tracking a Heron. It might have been Geoff Dudley on the front.
> 
> Where were you?
> 
> John V
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> Tech1 mailing list
> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Wed May 29 15:11:39 2019
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Wed, 29 May 2019 21:11:39 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] More moon stuff
Message-ID: <97d403be-63c6-fdc4-4b2c-d97eae69f38a@gmail.com>

This is a different way of doing special effects. Well, I haven't seen 
it before, not since Z Cars anyway.

https://bit.ly/2KhuM6t

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From peter.neill at icloud.com  Wed May 29 16:20:36 2019
From: peter.neill at icloud.com (Peter Neill)
Date: Wed, 29 May 2019 22:20:36 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Crosswords
Message-ID: <B1A4908F-5AD9-489E-9EDB-373CC7D2CDE2@icloud.com>

The site I sometimes use is advertising for a crossword solver at the moment. 

https://www.wordplays.com/help/puzzler-job

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From mibridge at mac.com  Wed May 29 18:14:51 2019
From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles)
Date: Thu, 30 May 2019 00:14:51 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Where were you when the first men landed on the Moon
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Likewise, visiting parents, together with wife and son, still a babe in arms, but now 50, of course. My father was overwhelmed that as a young boy he had rushed out into the street to see the very first aeroplane fly over Yeovil, and he had lived to see the first men on the moon! Quite unbelievable really - like television, it can never possibly work!

In keeping with the other current thread, today?s exponents are proving just how hard in the other sense it can be to make television work properly. 

Mike G

> On 29 May 2019, at 19:35, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> I was at home with my parents, and we had an aged aunt living with us. When she was a child, there was no electricity in her house, yet she survived long enough to watch, on TV, man walking on the moon. So much advancement in a short time-span.
> I loved the film ?Capricorn One? which posed the idea that it was all faked up for political reasons.
> Pat
>  
>  
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>  
> From: John Vincent via Tech1
> Sent: 29 May 2019 15:37
> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> Subject: [Tech1] Where were you when the first men landed on the Moon
>  
> With the 50th anniversary nearly with us, like the killing of
> Kennedy and Lennon I bet most of us know where we were and what we were doing,
>  
>  
> Where were you?
>  
> John V
>  
> 
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From david.jasma at sky.com  Thu May 30 03:39:07 2019
From: david.jasma at sky.com (Dave Buckley)
Date: Thu, 30 May 2019 09:39:07 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Where were you when the first men landed on the Moon
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I was at home and stayed up to watch the moon walk.

 

1969 also saw the Investiture of the Prince of Wales at Caernarvon (at the
same time as the moon landing), the Woodstock Music festival, as well as the
start of Monty Python!

 

In June 1994, Ariel or possible Prospero (as I had taken early retirement by
then) published the attached cartoon, which I have had pinned up on my
notice board ever since.

The reference to Woodstock means something else to me as TV Training was
based on Woodstock Grove next door to Ken House, when I joined the
department in 1969. 

The studio at WG had circuits to TVC and the control line was usually
answered 'Woodstock', although one head of department referred to the
building as 'Colditz' due the frontage overlooking Ken House - a forbidding
wall four or five stories high.

 

In 1984 the department moved to Elstree Centre, and we lost our exclusive
circuits, but I had a surprise when I had to plug up vision and sound for
the general election rehearsal of 1987 when I found that the sound and
control line idents were originally the Woodstock circuits ones. 

 

Looking back over the years and the great advances that have occurred in
technology, for example, a mobile phone has more computing power than any of
the computers that controlled the moon landing.

 

I wonder what will happen in the next 50 years?

 

Dave Buckley



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From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net  Thu May 30 04:34:07 2019
From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt)
Date: Thu, 30 May 2019 10:34:07 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Where were you when the first men landed on the Moon
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Funny how recollections of places can focus on wildly differing features. My memories of Woodstock Grove (to be honest ? apart from the boredom!) centre on the food. Who but the Beeb in the 1960?s  could have had a canteen facility like Woodstock?s for relatively few people. I can taste the breakfast bacon sarnies now!

Dave Newbitt.

From: Dave Buckley via Tech1 
Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2019 9:39 AM
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk 
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Where were you when the first men landed on the Moon

I was at home and stayed up to watch the moon walk.

 

1969 also saw the Investiture of the Prince of Wales at Caernarvon (at the same time as the moon landing), the Woodstock Music festival, as well as the start of Monty Python!

 

In June 1994, Ariel or possible Prospero (as I had taken early retirement by then) published the attached cartoon, which I have had pinned up on my notice board ever since.

The reference to Woodstock means something else to me as TV Training was based on Woodstock Grove next door to Ken House, when I joined the department in 1969. 

The studio at WG had circuits to TVC and the control line was usually answered ?Woodstock?, although one head of department referred to the building as ?Colditz? due the frontage overlooking Ken House ? a forbidding wall four or five stories high.

 

In 1984 the department moved to Elstree Centre, and we lost our exclusive circuits, but I had a surprise when I had to plug up vision and sound for the general election rehearsal of 1987 when I found that the sound and control line idents were originally the Woodstock circuits ones. 

 

Looking back over the years and the great advances that have occurred in technology, for example, a mobile phone has more computing power than any of the computers that controlled the moon landing.

 

I wonder what will happen in the next 50 years?

 

Dave Buckley


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From rogerbunce at btinternet.com  Thu May 30 10:31:11 2019
From: rogerbunce at btinternet.com (ROGER BUNCE)
Date: Thu, 30 May 2019 15:31:11 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tech1] Where were you when the first men landed on the Moon
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 I still have the tatty cardboard badge which the BBC spared every expense by issuing to those who worked on the Moon Landing. It proves I must have done a shift or two in the 'Space Studio', but I don't honestly remember. I'd love to claim that I was there for the "Eagle has Landed" moment, or the "One Giant Leap for (a) Man" moment - but probably not.? ? I remember a large model Saturn V in the studio. By craning my ped to full height beside it, and tilting to look down its length, I could then crane slowly down to create a very convincing launch effect. It just needed some dry ice and a light bulb underneath.
? ? I also remember the grotty, grainy mid-grey pictures, coming from the Moon, in which moving astronauts blurred to the point of complete transparency. "That camera's got a Vidicon tube," I explained, geekishly, to uninterested friends and family, showing off my limited surviving knowledge from Evesham.

Apollo 12 is the one I remember. (Have I bored everyone with this already?) This time we were promised colour pictures from the Moon. O.K. a moonscape isn't the most colourful thing, but that's not the point. We only had a back-and-white tele at home, so I went into TV Centre. Even there, colour monitors were a rarity. I ingratiated my way into the Engineering Area, behind the 'Space Studio' (TC4?). Some extremely hospitable Engineers provided me with a cup of tea and a biscuit, and we sat down together to watch the historic moment, live, on a high-quality monitor.? ? The first images appeared. The colour was wonderful - gleaming, sparkling gold. It was only a defocussed close-up of the protective foil, in which the camera was stowed, but it came all the way from the Moon, live, so don't complain. Then came a fleeting glimpse of the Astronaut, in a space-suit, as he unpacked the camera. O.K. just a white spacesuit?with a black visor, but even a black-and-white subject looks better in colour.
????Then everything went white.????Then everything went black . . . and stayed black.????Around me, the Engineers gasped in disbelief. Then, in unison they cried, "He pointed it at the Sun!"????In the studio, Patrick Moore, James Burke etc. were puzzled by the fact that they couldn't see any pictures from the Moon. They speculated about this for some time, despite the fact that Engineers had run into the Production Gallery, telling everyone who'd listen, "He pointed the Camera at the Sun! He's burnt out the tube!" But a fact that had been immediately obvious to BBC Techies, took rather longer to be understood by the panel of so-called experts.????The damage to the camera was irreparable. Apollo 12 never did send any colour transmissions back from the Moon.
? ? luv, Rog.


     On Thursday, 30 May 2019, 09:39:35 BST, Dave Buckley via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:  
 
 
I was at home and stayed up to watch the moon walk.

 ?

1969 also saw the Investiture of the Prince of Wales at Caernarvon (at the same time as the moon landing), the Woodstock Music festival, as well as the start of Monty Python!

 ?

In June 1994, Ariel or possible Prospero (as I had taken early retirement by then) published the attached cartoon, which I have had pinned up on my notice board ever since.

The reference to Woodstock means something else to me as TV Training was based on Woodstock Grove next door to Ken House, when I joined the department in 1969. 

The studio at WG had circuits to TVC and the control line was usually answered ?Woodstock?, although one head of department referred to the building as ?Colditz? due the frontage overlooking Ken House ? a forbidding wall four or five stories high.

 ?

In 1984 the department moved to Elstree Centre, and we lost our exclusive circuits, but I had a surprise when I had to plug up vision and sound for the general election rehearsal of 1987 when I found that the sound and control line idents were originally the Woodstock circuits ones. 

 ?

Looking back over the years and the great advances that have occurred in technology, for example, a mobile phone has more computing power than any of the computers that controlled the moon landing.

 ?

I wonder what will happen in the next 50 years?

 ?

Dave Buckley


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From graeme.wall at icloud.com  Thu May 30 11:03:36 2019
From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall)
Date: Thu, 30 May 2019 17:03:36 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Where were you when the first men landed on the Moon
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I was in Studio G for the "pointing at the sun? moment.  I think we were doing Jackananory.  No colour monitors but we all gathered round a floor monitor to see the first pictures from the moonwalk. What a disappointment.
? 
Graeme Wall


> On 30 May 2019, at 16:31, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> I still have the tatty cardboard badge which the BBC spared every expense by issuing to those who worked on the Moon Landing. It proves I must have done a shift or two in the 'Space Studio', but I don't honestly remember. I'd love to claim that I was there for the "Eagle has Landed" moment, or the "One Giant Leap for (a) Man" moment - but probably not.
>     I remember a large model Saturn V in the studio. By craning my ped to full height beside it, and tilting to look down its length, I could then crane slowly down to create a very convincing launch effect. It just needed some dry ice and a light bulb underneath.
>     I also remember the grotty, grainy mid-grey pictures, coming from the Moon, in which moving astronauts blurred to the point of complete transparency. "That camera's got a Vidicon tube," I explained, geekishly, to uninterested friends and family, showing off my limited surviving knowledge from Evesham.
> 
> <1969aMoonBadge.jpg>
> Apollo 12 is the one I remember. (Have I bored everyone with this already?) This time we were promised colour pictures from the Moon. O.K. a moonscape isn't the most colourful thing, but that's not the point. We only had a back-and-white tele at home, so I went into TV Centre. Even there, colour monitors were a rarity. I ingratiated my way into the Engineering Area, behind the 'Space Studio' (TC4?). Some extremely hospitable Engineers provided me with a cup of tea and a biscuit, and we sat down together to watch the historic moment, live, on a high-quality monitor.
>     The first images appeared. The colour was wonderful - gleaming, sparkling gold. It was only a defocussed close-up of the protective foil, in which the camera was stowed, but it came all the way from the Moon, live, so don't complain. Then came a fleeting glimpse of the Astronaut, in a space-suit, as he unpacked the camera. O.K. just a white spacesuit with a black visor, but even a black-and-white subject looks better in colour.
>     Then everything went white.
>     Then everything went black . . . and stayed black.
>     Around me, the Engineers gasped in disbelief. Then, in unison they cried, "He pointed it at the Sun!"
>     In the studio, Patrick Moore, James Burke etc. were puzzled by the fact that they couldn't see any pictures from the Moon. They speculated about this for some time, despite the fact that Engineers had run into the Production Gallery, telling everyone who'd listen, "He pointed the Camera at the Sun! He's burnt out the tube!" But a fact that had been immediately obvious to BBC Techies, took rather longer to be understood by the panel of so-called experts.
>     The damage to the camera was irreparable. Apollo 12 never did send any colour transmissions back from the Moon.
>     luv, Rog.
> 
> 
> On Thursday, 30 May 2019, 09:39:35 BST, Dave Buckley via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> 
> I was at home and stayed up to watch the moon walk.
> 
>  
> 1969 also saw the Investiture of the Prince of Wales at Caernarvon (at the same time as the moon landing), the Woodstock Music festival, as well as the start of Monty Python!
> 
>  
> In June 1994, Ariel or possible Prospero (as I had taken early retirement by then) published the attached cartoon, which I have had pinned up on my notice board ever since.
> 
> The reference to Woodstock means something else to me as TV Training was based on Woodstock Grove next door to Ken House, when I joined the department in 1969.
> 
> The studio at WG had circuits to TVC and the control line was usually answered ?Woodstock?, although one head of department referred to the building as ?Colditz? due the frontage overlooking Ken House ? a forbidding wall four or five stories high.
> 
>  
> In 1984 the department moved to Elstree Centre, and we lost our exclusive circuits, but I had a surprise when I had to plug up vision and sound for the general election rehearsal of 1987 when I found that the sound and control line idents were originally the Woodstock circuits ones.
> 
>  
> Looking back over the years and the great advances that have occurred in technology, for example, a mobile phone has more computing power than any of the computers that controlled the moon landing.
> 
>  
> I wonder what will happen in the next 50 years?
> 
>  
> Dave Buckley
> 
> 
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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Thu May 30 14:11:22 2019
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Thu, 30 May 2019 20:11:22 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Where were you when the first men landed on the Moon
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I was in the studio - TC7 I think, with Crew 7.? All around us were 
production people and Patrick Moore etc saying? "We just don't know!". 
We were saying "Not a chance!", but they didn't listen to us. They could 
have had Ron Green as an expert guest.

I remember that TC7 had all the lights on all the time, and a cyc all 
round. It got incredibly hot, and you could hardly touch the camera tops.

Also on Apollo 12, maybe the same day, we heard from Mother that a moon 
rock was arriving. When it did, it was brought in by Securicor in a 
black case. They opened it, and the rock was in a glass dome container 
on a plinth thing.? "Oh", said I, "I really wanted to touch it". "No 
problem", said a British scientist guest, "You can touch mine", and 
pulled a small plastic bottle out of his pocket. He tipped out the moon 
rock and we passed it round.

B



On 30/05/2019 17:03, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote:
> I was in Studio G for the "pointing at the sun? moment.  I think we were doing Jackananory.  No colour monitors but we all gathered round a floor monitor to see the first pictures from the moonwalk. What a disappointment.
> ?
> Graeme Wall
>
>
>> On 30 May 2019, at 16:31, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> I still have the tatty cardboard badge which the BBC spared every expense by issuing to those who worked on the Moon Landing. It proves I must have done a shift or two in the 'Space Studio', but I don't honestly remember. I'd love to claim that I was there for the "Eagle has Landed" moment, or the "One Giant Leap for (a) Man" moment - but probably not.
>>      I remember a large model Saturn V in the studio. By craning my ped to full height beside it, and tilting to look down its length, I could then crane slowly down to create a very convincing launch effect. It just needed some dry ice and a light bulb underneath.
>>      I also remember the grotty, grainy mid-grey pictures, coming from the Moon, in which moving astronauts blurred to the point of complete transparency. "That camera's got a Vidicon tube," I explained, geekishly, to uninterested friends and family, showing off my limited surviving knowledge from Evesham.
>>
>> <1969aMoonBadge.jpg>
>> Apollo 12 is the one I remember. (Have I bored everyone with this already?) This time we were promised colour pictures from the Moon. O.K. a moonscape isn't the most colourful thing, but that's not the point. We only had a back-and-white tele at home, so I went into TV Centre. Even there, colour monitors were a rarity. I ingratiated my way into the Engineering Area, behind the 'Space Studio' (TC4?). Some extremely hospitable Engineers provided me with a cup of tea and a biscuit, and we sat down together to watch the historic moment, live, on a high-quality monitor.
>>      The first images appeared. The colour was wonderful - gleaming, sparkling gold. It was only a defocussed close-up of the protective foil, in which the camera was stowed, but it came all the way from the Moon, live, so don't complain. Then came a fleeting glimpse of the Astronaut, in a space-suit, as he unpacked the camera. O.K. just a white spacesuit with a black visor, but even a black-and-white subject looks better in colour.
>>      Then everything went white.
>>      Then everything went black . . . and stayed black.
>>      Around me, the Engineers gasped in disbelief. Then, in unison they cried, "He pointed it at the Sun!"
>>      In the studio, Patrick Moore, James Burke etc. were puzzled by the fact that they couldn't see any pictures from the Moon. They speculated about this for some time, despite the fact that Engineers had run into the Production Gallery, telling everyone who'd listen, "He pointed the Camera at the Sun! He's burnt out the tube!" But a fact that had been immediately obvious to BBC Techies, took rather longer to be understood by the panel of so-called experts.
>>      The damage to the camera was irreparable. Apollo 12 never did send any colour transmissions back from the Moon.
>>      luv, Rog.
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, 30 May 2019, 09:39:35 BST, Dave Buckley via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>
>> I was at home and stayed up to watch the moon walk.
>>
>>   
>> 1969 also saw the Investiture of the Prince of Wales at Caernarvon (at the same time as the moon landing), the Woodstock Music festival, as well as the start of Monty Python!
>>
>>   
>> In June 1994, Ariel or possible Prospero (as I had taken early retirement by then) published the attached cartoon, which I have had pinned up on my notice board ever since.
>>
>> The reference to Woodstock means something else to me as TV Training was based on Woodstock Grove next door to Ken House, when I joined the department in 1969.
>>
>> The studio at WG had circuits to TVC and the control line was usually answered ?Woodstock?, although one head of department referred to the building as ?Colditz? due the frontage overlooking Ken House ? a forbidding wall four or five stories high.
>>
>>   
>> In 1984 the department moved to Elstree Centre, and we lost our exclusive circuits, but I had a surprise when I had to plug up vision and sound for the general election rehearsal of 1987 when I found that the sound and control line idents were originally the Woodstock circuits ones.
>>
>>   
>> Looking back over the years and the great advances that have occurred in technology, for example, a mobile phone has more computing power than any of the computers that controlled the moon landing.
>>
>>   
>> I wonder what will happen in the next 50 years?
>>
>>   
>> Dave Buckley
>>
>>
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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Thu May 30 15:57:44 2019
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Thu, 30 May 2019 21:57:44 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Woodstock
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Nice cartoon, Dave! One of the chores of working at TVC was the 
occasional visit to 'Colditz' to train lots of newbies in various 
things. Just imagine doing a couple of dozen 'Nationwide's to train the 
young ladies how to time into and out of TK etc. We took the opportunity 
to rotate the jobs to prevent boredom setting in, which was useful in 
it's own right as the crew soon discovered that doing vision mixing or 
grams or cameras wasn't as easy as it looked! I often wondered where all 
the dozens of trainees ended up because we didn't see many on normal BBC 
shows after their training! One of the producer trainees was Micky 
Dolenz from 'The Monkeys' pop group! Cheers, Dave


From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Thu May 30 16:03:05 2019
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Thu, 30 May 2019 22:03:05 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Apollo trips
Message-ID: <9958f656-b8fa-fabc-f6ab-123e63cd922d@btinternet.com>

I was in TC7 for the next trip, Apollo 13, and it was quite tense 
waiting for the space capsule to re-make contact with Houston on their 
descent! Cheers, Dave


From anthonybmillier at hotmail.com  Thu May 30 16:26:44 2019
From: anthonybmillier at hotmail.com (anthony millier)
Date: Thu, 30 May 2019 21:26:44 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Woodstock
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Today G5 was launched in London and news announced this great step forward by announcing that the pictures we were seeing from the OB Were carried by G5. Then the picture threw a wobbly and the anchor could hardly contain his laughter! Technology knows how to throw a curved ball. Cheers, Tony. 

Sent from my iPad

> On 30 May 2019, at 21:57, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Nice cartoon, Dave! One of the chores of working at TVC was the occasional visit to 'Colditz' to train lots of newbies in various things. Just imagine doing a couple of dozen 'Nationwide's to train the young ladies how to time into and out of TK etc. We took the opportunity to rotate the jobs to prevent boredom setting in, which was useful in it's own right as the crew soon discovered that doing vision mixing or grams or cameras wasn't as easy as it looked! I often wondered where all the dozens of trainees ended up because we didn't see many on normal BBC shows after their training! One of the producer trainees was Micky Dolenz from 'The Monkeys' pop group! Cheers, Dave
> 
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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Thu May 30 16:30:48 2019
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Thu, 30 May 2019 22:30:48 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] G5
In-Reply-To: <AM6PR01MB40392DBCF920C3674B39368DBC180@AM6PR01MB4039.eurprd01.prod.exchangelabs.com>
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Nice to know that you are still above ground, Tony! We haven't seen you 
at a disorganised for quite a while so one always assumes the worst! I 
have two funerals to attend next week and one the week after! Cheers, Dave


From peter.neill at icloud.com  Thu May 30 16:49:15 2019
From: peter.neill at icloud.com (Peter Neill)
Date: Thu, 30 May 2019 22:49:15 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Woodstock
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The irony of this is that for some time BBC London News has been successfully using a G4 based system for live links in and around London. The units have, I believe, 6 SIM cards split over 2 or 3 networks. The data rate is variable so, for sending an edited piece they might use a higher quality but slower speed rate whilst for a live they could sacrifice a degree of quality for stability. The system is normally very reliable ? so much so that BBC London no longer have any traditional links trucks. 

Peter 

Sent from my iPhone. Apologies for typos and autocorruptions. 

> On 30 May 2019, at 22:26, anthony millier via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Today G5 was launched in London and news announced this great step forward by announcing that the pictures we were seeing from the OB Were carried by G5. Then the picture threw a wobbly and the anchor could hardly contain his laughter! Technology knows how to throw a curved ball. Cheers, Tony. 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On 30 May 2019, at 21:57, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> Nice cartoon, Dave! One of the chores of working at TVC was the occasional visit to 'Colditz' to train lots of newbies in various things. Just imagine doing a couple of dozen 'Nationwide's to train the young ladies how to time into and out of TK etc. We took the opportunity to rotate the jobs to prevent boredom setting in, which was useful in it's own right as the crew soon discovered that doing vision mixing or grams or cameras wasn't as easy as it looked! I often wondered where all the dozens of trainees ended up because we didn't see many on normal BBC shows after their training! One of the producer trainees was Micky Dolenz from 'The Monkeys' pop group! Cheers, Dave
>> 
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From j at howell61.f9.co.uk  Thu May 30 17:18:52 2019
From: j at howell61.f9.co.uk (John Howell)
Date: Thu, 30 May 2019 23:18:52 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Apollo trips
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I was in TC7 for Apollo 13 Dave, I was on duty from 5am & when I arrived

the production team had a list of times that they wanted to hear what was

being said on the Nasa sound circuit. We? were using a pair of stereo 
Ferrograph

Logic 7s to record the Nasa sound circuit on one track & the Speaking Clock

on the other. We used triple play tape on 8 1/4 Inch spools running at 1 
7/8 Ips

Irc this gave 9 Hours between tape changes. But you had to be careful,

the tape was like Clingfilm? However the Logic 7s seemed to cope

without too many "spillages". It would have been a different story if 
they had been Super 7s!


Regards to all,

John H.


On 30/05/2019 22:03, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote:
> I was in TC7 for the next trip, Apollo 13, and it was quite tense 
> waiting for the space capsule to re-make contact with Houston on their 
> descent! Cheers, Dave
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From mikej at bmanor.co.uk  Fri May 31 02:43:41 2019
From: mikej at bmanor.co.uk (Mike Jordan)
Date: Fri, 31 May 2019 08:43:41 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Never trust a 5Gc/s mobile
Message-ID: <1D2C691128DC4F8AA268C7A5DA2F2786@Gigabyte>


Want a laugh?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/video_and_audio/headlines/48463651/live-bbc-broadcast-over-5g-network-on-launch-day-fails

Keep to 2G into Millbank or Barbican!

Mike
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From richardjblencowe at gmail.com  Fri May 31 03:13:19 2019
From: richardjblencowe at gmail.com (Richard Blencowe)
Date: Fri, 31 May 2019 09:13:19 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Apollo trips
In-Reply-To: <6a6646c1-7b28-be9e-49eb-d93ab58287d4@howell61.f9.co.uk>
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I remember the Ferrograph recorders. During the Apollo 13 mission there were two crews allocated each day, one started early and finished mid afternoon and the second after lunch till late.

 

One of the crew duties was to make sure all was well with these and to start the second one before the first one ran out of tape thus having a continuous recording throughout the mission.  Particularly important was the late night changeover as the studio was not manned. I remember that my crew took turns to stay after the evening transmission to start the tape at 2300 so that it would not have run out before the morning crew arrived. We also boxed and labelled each tape for future reference.

 

I recall coming in just after the ?Houston we have a problem? incident. The production team were in uproar because the aftermath of the ?problem?  had not been recorded. It turned out that one of the team, James Burke, I think had heard the incident whilst in the office and ran down to the studio to have a listen on the recording. The crew were not around at this time so he just stopped the recording and spooled back to listen without starting the second machine. Oops!

 

What fun we had.

 

Dick Blencowe

 

 

 

 

From: Tech1 [mailto:tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk] On Behalf Of John Howell via Tech1
Sent: 30 May 2019 23:19
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Apollo trips

 

I was in TC7 for Apollo 13 Dave, I was on duty from 5am & when I arrived

the production team had a list of times that they wanted to hear what was

being said on the Nasa sound circuit. We  were using a pair of stereo Ferrograph

Logic 7s to record the Nasa sound circuit on one track & the Speaking Clock

on the other. We used triple play tape on 8 1/4 Inch spools running at 1 7/8 Ips

Irc this gave 9 Hours between tape changes. But you had to be careful,

the tape was like Clingfilm?  However the Logic 7s seemed to cope

without too many "spillages". It would have been a different story if they had been Super 7s!

 

Regards to all,

John H.

 

On 30/05/2019 22:03, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote:

I was in TC7 for the next trip, Apollo 13, and it was quite tense waiting for the space capsule to re-make contact with Houston on their descent! Cheers, Dave 



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From paul at pgtmedia.co.uk  Fri May 31 03:26:25 2019
From: paul at pgtmedia.co.uk (Paul Thackray)
Date: Fri, 31 May 2019 09:26:25 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Never trust a 5Gc/s mobile
In-Reply-To: <1D2C691128DC4F8AA268C7A5DA2F2786@Gigabyte>
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From ian.norman at armoor.co.uk  Fri May 31 04:10:54 2019
From: ian.norman at armoor.co.uk (ian.norman at armoor.co.uk)
Date: Fri, 31 May 2019 10:10:54 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Never trust a 5Gc/s mobile
In-Reply-To: <c515la43gc7hm9mo8fab40tc.1559291185045@pgtmedia.co.uk>
References: <c515la43gc7hm9mo8fab40tc.1559291185045@pgtmedia.co.uk>
Message-ID: <4a0c4a72-30d0-c9e0-1c9c-8cb288b1df01@armoor.plus.com>

Dear All,

5G! 5G! I still haven't got 2G.

No mobile phone coverage of any kind (except possibly satellite),
no DAB, slow broadband, no mains water, no mains sewage, no gas.

You can't miss it, if you've never had it.

Considering the very limited range of 5G transmissions, is it every 
going to be practical anywhere other than city centres.


Best regards

Ian Norman

Email: mailto:ian.norman at armoor.co.uk
Telephone: 01643 888181

On 31/05/2019 09:26, Paul Thackray via Tech1 wrote:
> And it does not work when no mobile users have 5G phones, think what 
> will happen when everyone else is using it!
> 
> Paul Thackray
> 
> PGT Media Consulting Ltd.
> 
> 07802 243979
> 
> Mail;?paul at pgtmedia.co.uk
> 
> Web;?http://www.pgtmedia.co.uk
> 
> Linkedin;???http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/paul-thackray/19/379/746
> 
> IMDB;?http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1488554/
> 
> sent from my BlackBerry?the most secure mobile device?via the O2 Network
> *From:* tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> *Sent:* 31 May 2019 08:44
> *To:* tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> *Reply to:* mikej at bmanor.co.uk
> *Subject:* [Tech1] Never trust a 5Gc/s mobile
> 
> 
> Want a laugh?
> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/video_and_audio/headlines/48463651/live-bbc-broadcast-over-5g-network-on-launch-day-fails
> Keep to 2G into Millbank or Barbican!
> Mike
> 


From w12rogers at gmail.com  Fri May 31 04:32:24 2019
From: w12rogers at gmail.com (Georgie and Steve Rogers)
Date: Fri, 31 May 2019 10:32:24 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Appolo
Message-ID: <CAJa+fU7_4J1sFNaqLKun_9AjaJou9PHR8Bt36qushmpCbFRjOw@mail.gmail.com>

I`ve still got the telegram asking me to go in overnight in TC7. How times
have changed
Steve.
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From nick at nickway.co.uk  Fri May 31 04:44:14 2019
From: nick at nickway.co.uk (Nick Way)
Date: Fri, 31 May 2019 10:44:14 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [Tech1] Woodstock
In-Reply-To: <9b9a3dc4-47ee-2eac-c245-389ed1b65651@btinternet.com>
References: <D513390C-8EEF-4317-8728-34648EC3A3AA@vincent68.plus.com>
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From dave at davesound.co.uk  Fri May 31 05:00:32 2019
From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman)
Date: Fri, 31 May 2019 11:00:32 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Apollo trips
In-Reply-To: <000c01d51788$b55fe750$201fb5f0$@com>
References: <000c01d51788$b55fe750$201fb5f0$@com>
Message-ID: <57bcbb8f12dave@davesound.co.uk>

IIRC the late great Gordon Mackie was in overall charge of one of these
missions?

And on the derig day, he asked if anyone wanted the spare 7" spools of
triple play tape. Presumably not a stores item, so couldn't just be
returned.

I was lucky enough to get a couple, as I had an Akai single motor tape
deck which was gentle with tape - unlike my Revox which would have turned
it into garden string.  

Made up tapes of background music for dinner parties etc at 3 3/4 ips. The
Akai sounded pretty good at this slow speed. Still got them. ;-)

-- 
*Husband and cat lost -- reward for cat

    Dave Plowman     dave at davesound.co.uk     London SW 12
    


From robert.miles at soundsuper.co.uk  Fri May 31 06:05:14 2019
From: robert.miles at soundsuper.co.uk (Robert Miles)
Date: Fri, 31 May 2019 12:05:14 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Adapt TV Website
Message-ID: <004401d517a0$bb1ace40$31506ac0$@soundsuper.co.uk>

A nice little video
http://www.adapttvhistory.org.uk/category/uncategorized/ 

 

Rob 

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From peter.neill at icloud.com  Fri May 31 06:15:32 2019
From: peter.neill at icloud.com (Peter Neill)
Date: Fri, 31 May 2019 12:15:32 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Never trust a 5Gc/s mobile
In-Reply-To: <1D2C691128DC4F8AA268C7A5DA2F2786@Gigabyte>
References: <1D2C691128DC4F8AA268C7A5DA2F2786@Gigabyte>
Message-ID: <47117F6E-BC31-435F-A759-A7F84248FC02@icloud.com>

The irony of this is that for some time BBC London News has been successfully using a G4 based system for live links in and around London. The units have, I believe, 6 SIM cards split over 2 or 3 networks. The data rate is variable so, for sending an edited piece they might use a higher quality but slower speed rate whilst for a live they could sacrifice a degree of quality for stability. The system is normally very reliable ? so much so that BBC London no longer have any traditional links trucks. 

Peter Neill
Peter Neill
6 Bells Meadow
Guilden Morden
Royston
SG8 0JB

01763 852942
07710 057250





> On 31 May 2019, at 08:43, Mike Jordan via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
>  
> Want a laugh?
>  
> http://track.smtpsendemail.com/20919/c?p=thnfuS5ByLy3JKfelIaETUpkhpBN8_-H4Z9PPsGSuSagUdNYVQtn_0SI-D7DgoPoYs9rqjcALK5WjIDGlES6ltocKVQXk1j7C8Cd_LicdV6yPwuTg_UK9w7v-Izwm1wYoAwTRCJ8dByBF0RQaM617idsqUi5jqQnCfrBlk_FUE9mJ_EzC_NqTeihROPms4MVHsZ4chREeN7qmEwfI-9RqbX5BFC3_bJJVpP_l3O2aTB-ly9jo_ZjHRWbmm_HiPvS <http://track.smtpsendemail.com/20919/c?p=Oz0c06zJbcFWloyvV-f2YwnZFPDfa8NKrrQn5jh-8BC8NjVD5LOTRuu821j8-xpcUOnZ1rlKU1YMgp6QfTAPw8kOSjT7w3VOw_3k0ic0LtmlUXIGhRd73pZ65nu_doEycUyNI6l6mcKQ918C5RPididiJ1WPb1aV-Z4cRm4WiK8sDBuEh1QXiJG-rMd907GTFnB_C2cHyOsFap88kPY26wGcbKAu4ePAKMOGmHlBtN3W59_J6Ebwg6ONuICe_RXz>
>  
> Keep to 2G into Millbank or Barbican!
>  
> Mike
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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Fri May 31 06:43:15 2019
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Fri, 31 May 2019 12:43:15 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Choppers
Message-ID: <88ae7fc7-cb11-985c-be54-fb2ba381aacd@btinternet.com>

1240 - I have just seen a lot of helicopters go over the house in 
formation! There were three Chinooks plus several smaller single rotor 
ones, they were headed towards Sandown Park racecourse. Any ideas? 
Cheers, Dave


From geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com  Fri May 31 06:45:45 2019
From: geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com (Geoff Hawkes)
Date: Fri, 31 May 2019 12:45:45 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] BBC Pensions Centre
Message-ID: <0FB54E78-8BF9-4619-BB98-73358CC360F2@gmail.com>

I tried calling the pensions centre helpline today and got a recorded message from Gladys Pugh telling me that they are closed today for trainin. How they're planning to get a train in I can't imagine, but I hope somewhere along the line it helps teach them to speak properly, or should I say "proper"?
Geoff

From bernie833 at gmail.com  Fri May 31 06:56:52 2019
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Fri, 31 May 2019 12:56:52 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Never trust a 5Gc/s mobile
In-Reply-To: <47117F6E-BC31-435F-A759-A7F84248FC02@icloud.com>
References: <1D2C691128DC4F8AA268C7A5DA2F2786@Gigabyte>
	<47117F6E-BC31-435F-A759-A7F84248FC02@icloud.com>
Message-ID: <dd0de259-dd2c-5ec1-06f0-e622bdc42927@gmail.com>

Apparently they tend to use all the local bandwidth, so first network on 
site screws everybody else.

B



On 31/05/2019 12:15, Peter Neill via Tech1 wrote:
> The irony of this is that for some time BBC London News has been 
> successfully using a G4 based system for live links in and around 
> London. The units have, I believe, 6 SIM cards split over 2 or 3 
> networks. The data rate is variable so, for sending an edited piece 
> they might use a higher quality but slower speed rate whilst for a 
> live they could sacrifice a degree of quality for stability. The 
> system is normally very reliable ? so much so that BBC London no 
> longer have any traditional links trucks.
>
> Peter Neill
> Peter Neill
> 6 Bells Meadow
> Guilden Morden
> Royston
> SG8 0JB
>
> 01763 852942
> 07710 057250
>
>
>
>
>
>> On 31 May 2019, at 08:43, Mike Jordan via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk 
>> <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:
>>
>> Want a laugh?
>> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/video_and_audio/headlines/48463651/live-bbc-broadcast-over-5g-network-on-launch-day-fails 
>> <http://track.smtpsendemail.com/20919/c?p=NpWOjYjyzm7Zw3f4oq8AIzRGEsAGp2dcdsp-NXhEVg5IPMH0ULgIT_1Gp5uGKnRkc_J781B74jTWC3ZO5i_tIMXjAzgAszFOE7ygGU-0YEKMGl5wg5cm4TCteMOV7pMhH6HHk-A-nFwD545G6CXFblyLfLALPDAX6hO3zsI_eXlzrUR9dlm0A03KAL68Ek8fRcGfakxEHs0HS16YOOOaMEbNpEvJbUiI2wIn2n8ljXfEXGMNEWa4-VXA2aD6xENS>
>> Keep to 2G into Millbank or Barbican!
>> Mike
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From nick at nickway.co.uk  Fri May 31 09:14:54 2019
From: nick at nickway.co.uk (Nick Way)
Date: Fri, 31 May 2019 15:14:54 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [Tech1] [SPAM?]  Choppers
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From geoffletch at gmail.com  Fri May 31 10:52:51 2019
From: geoffletch at gmail.com (Geoff Fletcher)
Date: Fri, 31 May 2019 16:52:51 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] [SPAM?] Choppers
In-Reply-To: <1808859596.115204.1559312094638@email.ionos.co.uk>
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Just gone over my daughter?s flat in East Dulwich, 2  Chinooks, then a gap,
then another Chinook, a CH -53 of some variety, and what looked like a
Cayuse.

On Fri, 31 May 2019 at 15:15, Nick Way via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
wrote:

> ....and they've just flown back over our house!
>
> With best wishes,
>
> Nick Way
>
> On 31 May 2019 at 12:43 "dave.mdv via Tech1" <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>
>
> 1240 - I have just seen a lot of helicopters go over the house in
> formation! There were three Chinooks plus several smaller single rotor
> ones, they were headed towards Sandown Park racecourse. Any ideas?
> Cheers, Dave
>
>
>
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From martin at mridout.force9.co.uk  Fri May 31 10:53:16 2019
From: martin at mridout.force9.co.uk (Martin Ridout)
Date: Fri, 31 May 2019 16:53:16 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Choppers
In-Reply-To: <1808859596.115204.1559312094638@email.ionos.co.uk>
References: <88ae7fc7-cb11-985c-be54-fb2ba381aacd@btinternet.com>
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They've just flown over my house (nr Bromley) - 4 Chinnooks and 4 single 
rotors - on their way back to Biggin. All to do with Trump's visit next 
week I gather.

Martin

On 31/05/2019 15:14, Nick Way via Tech1 wrote:
> ....and they've just flown back over our house!
> 
> With best wishes,
> 
> Nick Way
> 
>> On 31 May 2019 at 12:43 "dave.mdv via Tech1" <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk 
>> <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> 1240 - I have just seen a lot of helicopters go over the house in
>> formation! There were three Chinooks plus several smaller single rotor
>> ones, they were headed towards Sandown Park racecourse. Any ideas?
>> Cheers, Dave
>>
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From gary_critcher at yahoo.com  Fri May 31 10:53:19 2019
From: gary_critcher at yahoo.com (Gary Critcher)
Date: Fri, 31 May 2019 15:53:19 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tech1] Apollo trips
References: <822642685.14343831.1559317999417.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <822642685.14343831.1559317999417@mail.yahoo.com>

Does anyone know what happened to those long play audio tapes??





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On Fri, 31/5/19, Richard Blencowe via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

 Subject: Re: [Tech1] Apollo trips
 To: "'John Howell'" <j at howell61.f9.co.uk>
 Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
 Date: Friday, 31 May, 2019, 10:13
 
 I remember the Ferrograph
 recorders. During the Apollo 13 mission there were two crews
 allocated each day, one started early and finished mid
 afternoon and the second after lunch till late. ?One of the crew duties was to
 make sure all was well with these and to start the second
 one before the first one ran out of tape thus having a
 continuous recording throughout the mission.? Particularly
 important was the late night changeover as the studio was
 not manned. I remember that my crew took turns to stay after
 the evening transmission to start the tape at 2300 so that
 it would not have run out before the morning crew arrived.
 We also boxed and labelled each tape for future
 reference. ?I recall coming in just after
 the ?Houston we have a problem? incident. The production
 team were in uproar because the aftermath of the
 ?problem? ?had not been recorded. It turned out that
 one of the team, James Burke, I think had heard the incident
 whilst in the office and ran down to the studio to have a
 listen on the recording. The crew were not around at this
 time so he just stopped the recording and spooled back to
 listen without starting the second machine.
 Oops! ?What fun we had. ?Dick Blencowe ? ? ? ?From: Tech1
 [mailto:tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk] On Behalf Of
 John Howell via Tech1
 Sent: 30 May 2019 23:19
 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
 Subject: Re: [Tech1] Apollo
 trips ?I was in TC7 for Apollo 13 Dave, I was on
 duty from 5am & when I arrivedthe production team had a list of times that
 they wanted to hear what wasbeing said on the Nasa sound circuit.
 We? were using a pair of stereo
 FerrographLogic 7s to record the Nasa sound circuit on
 one track & the Speaking Clockon the other. We used triple play tape on 8
 1/4 Inch spools running at 1 7/8 IpsIrc this gave 9 Hours between tape changes.
 But you had to be careful,the tape was like Clingfilm?? However
 the Logic 7s seemed to copewithout too many "spillages". It
 would have been a different story if they had been Super
 7s! ?Regards to all,John H. ?On 30/05/2019 22:03, dave.mdv
 via Tech1 wrote:I was in TC7 for the next
 trip, Apollo 13, and it was quite tense waiting for the
 space capsule to re-make contact with Houston on their
 descent! Cheers, Dave 
 
 
 
 
 
 	
 		
 			
 				
 			
 		
 		
 			
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From mikej at bmanor.co.uk  Fri May 31 11:30:37 2019
From: mikej at bmanor.co.uk (Mike Jordan)
Date: Fri, 31 May 2019 17:30:37 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Choppers
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See here:-

https://www.ianvisits.co.uk/blog/2019/05/31/helicopters-flying-over-central-london-today-31st-may/


Mike



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From: Martin Ridout via Tech1 
Sent: Friday, May 31, 2019 4:53 PM 
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Subject: Re: [Tech1] Choppers 

They've just flown over my house (nr Bromley) - 4 Chinnooks and 4 single 
rotors - on their way back to Biggin. All to do with Trump's visit next 
week I gather.

Martin
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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Fri May 31 13:36:18 2019
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Fri, 31 May 2019 19:36:18 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Choppers
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Thanks, Mike, I guessed it was some sort of rehearsal, being on Friday. 
Cheers, Dave