From geoffletch at gmail.com  Fri Mar  1 02:32:54 2019
From: geoffletch at gmail.com (Geoff Fletcher)
Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2019 08:32:54 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Singer on MPRC
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The mole addition was a Bongo Trolley. We used it on a Russian classic
drama on a ballroom scene  and also on a Val Doonigan show at TV Theatre. I
was tracking the mole at the time can?t recall the Crew but Iwill have a
look in my diaries. I also worked on Open House- one afternoon we had a lot
of fashion models in the studio. Being red blooded lads we were rather
looking forward to this but when they arrived we couldn?t believe how
unattractive my skinny they were!
Geoff F

On Fri, 1 Mar 2019 at 00:13, Louis Barfe via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
wrote:

> On 28/02/2019 19:06, phider via Tech1 wrote:
> > You're memory is spot on Alec. It was a bookable item from stores and,
> > if I remember correctly, it was called a Bongo. We used it on TOTP. The
> > camera end had a lot of inertia and you needed two arm swingers. I think
> > it was also used in the TVT on Val Doonican.
> >
> It was also used on a Sammy Davis Jr special from the TVT, produced by
> Dennis Main Drain. Sammy's percussionist Juan Mendoza was on the front
> of the Mole during a medley of songs from West Side Story. It's a very
> fine bit of camerawork.
>
> https://youtu.be/c0GCZaHjD58
>
> All the best,
> Louis
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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Fri Mar  1 03:35:51 2019
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2019 09:35:51 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Singer on MPRC
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Are any of the Mole crew on here?? Must have been hard work

B



On 01/03/2019 00:12, Louis Barfe via Tech1 wrote:
> On 28/02/2019 19:06, phider via Tech1 wrote:
>> You're memory is spot on Alec. It was a bookable item from stores 
>> and, if I remember correctly, it was called a Bongo. We used it on 
>> TOTP. The camera end had a lot of inertia and you needed two arm 
>> swingers. I think it was also used in the TVT on Val Doonican.
>>
> It was also used on a Sammy Davis Jr special from the TVT, produced by 
> Dennis Main Drain. Sammy's percussionist Juan Mendoza was on the front 
> of the Mole during a medley of songs from West Side Story. It's a very 
> fine bit of camerawork.
>
> https://youtu.be/c0GCZaHjD58
>
> All the best,
> Louis
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From peter.neill at icloud.com  Fri Mar  1 03:42:37 2019
From: peter.neill at icloud.com (Peter Neill)
Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2019 15:12:37 +0530
Subject: [Tech1] Singer on MPRC
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Is it stating the bleeding obvious to suggest that the Bongo Trolley was named after its use on the Sammy Davis Jr programme?

Peter

Sent from my iPhone. Apologies for typos and autocorruptions. 

> On 1 Mar 2019, at 15:05, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Are any of the Mole crew on here?  Must have been hard work
> 
> B
> 
> 
> 
>> On 01/03/2019 00:12, Louis Barfe via Tech1 wrote:
>>> On 28/02/2019 19:06, phider via Tech1 wrote: 
>>> You're memory is spot on Alec. It was a bookable item from stores and, if I remember correctly, it was called a Bongo. We used it on TOTP. The camera end had a lot of inertia and you needed two arm swingers. I think it was also used in the TVT on Val Doonican. 
>>> 
>> It was also used on a Sammy Davis Jr special from the TVT, produced by Dennis Main Drain. Sammy's percussionist Juan Mendoza was on the front of the Mole during a medley of songs from West Side Story. It's a very fine bit of camerawork. 
>> 
>> https://youtu.be/c0GCZaHjD58 
>> 
>> All the best, 
>> Louis 
>> 
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From jpbarlow at btopenworld.com  Fri Mar  1 04:49:21 2019
From: jpbarlow at btopenworld.com (jpbarlow at btopenworld.com)
Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2019 10:49:21 -0000
Subject: [Tech1] Ginger Cowgill - again...
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In his later years Frank Wilkins had a dew bad days. 

 

We were scheduled Grandstand in Studio E and Frank put himself om Camera 5 (B/W Vidicon) for captions and usually the Trainee.

 

Brian Cowgill arrived for rehearsals and, typically, decided to pick on someone; he chose Camera 5. After about 10 minutes of F?ing and B?ing at Cam 5 Frank took off his headphones and went up to the gallery. Over talkback we heard Cowgill greet Frank with a Hail Fellow Well Met and what are you up to these days.

 

?Camera 5? said Frank and returned to the studio. Not another peep from Brian.

 

JohnB

 

 

From: Tech1 <tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk> On Behalf Of Hugh Sheppard via Tech1
Sent: 28 February 2019 16:33
To: Tech Ops List <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Ginger Cowgill - again...

 

I recall Dave White telling me that he'd once been drafted in to vision-mix Grandstand when a regular V-M was missing, and being shouted at to 'Go to Hurst Park!' or wherever. Dave had hardly scanned the dozen sources on the monitor bank when another shout in his ear persuaded him to go to the only picture with a horse in it which shut Ginger up; until the shot widened to include a mounted policeman and a football crowd. Quicker than Ginge, Dave realised his mistake and chopped to the right source, with not a peep from Ginge who hadn't yet noticed... 

Hugh

On 28-Feb-19 2:52 PM, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote:

Funny how one memory sparks another ? Grandstand chaos this time. In the days of the programme coming from Studio E Lime Grove, there was Brian Cowgill in his usual corner ever watchful of the ITV feed provided so he could assess how well we were doing against them. Suddenly he erupted because ITV had pipped us to some revelation or other. ?Get me Manchester on the line? he screamed. Response from the TOM (I think it was Tommy Holmes) ? why don?t I just open the window??

 

Memories to still bring a smile half a century later!

 

Dave Newbitt.

 

From: Alasdair Lawrance 

Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2019 2:13 PM

To: David Newbitt 

Cc: patheigham ; John Hays ; Tech Ops List 

Subject: Re: [Tech1] Len Shorey

 

I?m fairly certain Hibou told me this, but for some reason Len was doing a Grandstand, and, as was not unusual, the opening trails of ?Horse racing from Doncaster?, ?Chelsea vs Liverpool?, ?Badminton horse trials? (or whatever) slowly disintegrated into dislocated nonsense. 

 

Len apparently lowered the window between Sound and Production and threw the many pages of the running order/script through and said loudly,

 

?Well, we won?t be needing this any more, will we!?

 

 

Alasdair Lawrance
alawrance1 at me.com <mailto:alawrance1 at me.com> 






 

On 28 Feb 2019, at 13:54, David Newbitt via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> > wrote:

 

I may have remembered slightly inaccurately but I think Len was 6ft 4ins. I remember him encountering Ian Tomlin when the latter was newly arrived. ?How tall are you then?? enquired Len. ?6ft 41/4ins came the reply?.

Instant response from Len ? ? I think anything over 6ft 4ins is freak?.

 

Beat that!

 

Dave Newbitt.

 

From: patheigham via Tech1

Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2019 1:08 PM

To: John Hays ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> 

Subject: Re: [Tech1] Len Shorey

 

I concur that Len would bawl you out if you had goofed magnificently.

Always justified, but forgotten once he had made his point.

I envied his height ? having an after show noggin in the TVC bar, I stood on the bar rail, with my back to the counter ? this brought me up to Len?s eye height and I commented on how much better the world looked from there! (Also to catch the bar staff?s eye more easily).

Pat

 

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From: John Hays via Tech1
Sent: 27 February 2019 16:40
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> 
Subject: [Tech1] Len Shorey

 

Hello everyone.The recent reminisces about LEN reminded me of two more tales.He was mixing, unusually, a sitcom and I had the perfect job for my trainee.Len was a bit sniffy about it, but eventually agreed after I pointed out that SA1s have a duty to train youngsters.All went well on rehearsal, but disaster on recording, causing a retake.Len was absolutely furious with me, but after half an hour all was forgotten.He was also a proficient wood worker and attended classes in East London making chairs I believe.It so happened that my wife , Anna also makes chairs, and when they met on social occasions long discussions took place on the difficult process of assembling them.

Best wishes to all, John Hays.

 

 


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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Fri Mar  1 04:59:04 2019
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2019 10:59:04 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: Re:  Singer on MPRC
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Subject: 	Re: [Tech1] Singer on MPRC
Date: 	Fri, 1 Mar 2019 09:56:20 +0000
From: 	Geoff Fletcher <geoffletch at gmail.com>
To: 	Bernard Newnham <bernie833 at gmail.com>



I remember it was tricky tracking because of the extra length. Don 
McQuistan might have been on the arm, plus an assistant - more inertia 
to overcome.
Geoff F

On Fri, 1 Mar 2019 at 09:36, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 
<tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:

    Are any of the Mole crew on here?? Must have been hard work

    B



    On 01/03/2019 00:12, Louis Barfe via Tech1 wrote:
>     On 28/02/2019 19:06, phider via Tech1 wrote:
>>     You're memory is spot on Alec. It was a bookable item from stores
>>     and, if I remember correctly, it was called a Bongo. We used it
>>     on TOTP. The camera end had a lot of inertia and you needed two
>>     arm swingers. I think it was also used in the TVT on Val Doonican.
>>
>     It was also used on a Sammy Davis Jr special from the TVT,
>     produced by Dennis Main Drain. Sammy's percussionist Juan Mendoza
>     was on the front of the Mole during a medley of songs from West
>     Side Story. It's a very fine bit of camerawork.
>
>     https://youtu.be/c0GCZaHjD58
>
>     All the best,
>     Louis
>

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From david.beer at talktalk.net  Fri Mar  1 05:29:47 2019
From: david.beer at talktalk.net (David Beer)
Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2019 11:29:47 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Ginger Cowgill - again...
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My Cowgill memory was during a Grandstand programme when he was sitting 
on the studio floor watching a live football relay surrounded by the 
sparks, scene crew and sub-editors when suddenly there was a fierce 
whip-pan and crash zoom in on air. We all looked across to Cowgill 
expecting an explosion, but he had been deep in conversation with one of 
the floor staff so by the time he looked up, the lucky director had cut 
to another camera!

Dave Beer

On 01/03/2019 10:49, jpbarlow--- via Tech1 wrote:
>
> In his later years Frank Wilkins had a dew bad days.
>
> We were scheduled Grandstand in Studio E and Frank put himself om 
> Camera 5 (B/W Vidicon) for captions and usually the Trainee.
>
> Brian Cowgill arrived for rehearsals and, typically, decided to pick 
> on someone; he chose Camera 5. After about 10 minutes of F?ing and 
> B?ing at Cam 5 Frank took off his headphones and went up to the 
> gallery. Over talkback we heard Cowgill greet Frank with a Hail Fellow 
> Well Met and what are you up to these days.
>
> ?Camera 5? said Frank and returned to the studio. Not another peep 
> from Brian.
>
> JohnB
>
> *From:*Tech1 <tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk> *On Behalf Of *Hugh 
> Sheppard via Tech1
> *Sent:* 28 February 2019 16:33
> *To:* Tech Ops List <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> *Subject:* Re: [Tech1] Ginger Cowgill - again...
>
> I recall Dave White telling me that he'd once been drafted in to 
> vision-mix Grandstand when a regular V-M was missing, and being 
> shouted at to 'Go to Hurst Park!' or wherever. Dave had hardly scanned 
> the dozen sources on the monitor bank when another shout in his ear 
> persuaded him to go to the only picture with a horse in it which shut 
> Ginger up; until the shot widened to include a mounted policeman and a 
> football crowd. Quicker than Ginge, Dave realised his mistake and 
> chopped to the right source, with not a peep from Ginge who hadn't yet 
> noticed...
>
> Hugh
>
> On 28-Feb-19 2:52 PM, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote:
>
>     Funny how one memory sparks another ? Grandstand chaos this time.
>     In the days of the programme coming from Studio E Lime Grove,
>     there was Brian Cowgill in his usual corner ever watchful of the
>     ITV feed provided so he could assess how well we were doing
>     against them. Suddenly he erupted because ITV had pipped us to
>     some revelation or other. ?Get me Manchester on the line? he
>     screamed. Response from the TOM (I think it was Tommy Holmes) ?
>     why don?t I just open the window??
>
>     Memories to still bring a smile half a century later!
>
>     Dave Newbitt.
>
>     *From:*Alasdair Lawrance
>
>     *Sent:*Thursday, February 28, 2019 2:13 PM
>
>     *To:*David Newbitt
>
>     *Cc:*patheigham ; John Hays ; Tech Ops List
>
>     *Subject:*Re: [Tech1] Len Shorey
>
>     I?m fairly certain Hibou told me this, but for some reason Len was
>     doing a Grandstand, and, as was not unusual, the opening trails of
>     ?Horse racing from Doncaster?, ?Chelsea vs Liverpool?, ?Badminton
>     horse trials? (or whatever) slowly disintegrated into dislocated
>     nonsense.
>
>     Len apparently lowered the window between Sound and Production and
>     threw the many pages of the running order/script through and said
>     loudly,
>
>     ?Well, we won?t be needing this any more, will we!?
>
>     Alasdair Lawrance
>     alawrance1 at me.com <mailto:alawrance1 at me.com>
>
>
>
>
>     On 28 Feb 2019, at 13:54, David Newbitt via Tech1
>     <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:
>
>     I may have remembered slightly inaccurately but I think Len was
>     6ft 4ins. I remember him encountering Ian Tomlin when the latter
>     was newly arrived. ?How tall are you then?? enquired Len. ?6ft
>     41/4ins came the reply?.
>
>     Instant response from Len ? ? I think anything over 6ft 4ins is
>     freak?.
>
>     Beat that!
>
>     Dave Newbitt.
>
>     *From:*patheigham via Tech1
>
>     *Sent:*Thursday, February 28, 2019 1:08 PM
>
>     *To:*John Hays;tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
>
>     *Subject:*Re: [Tech1] Len Shorey
>
>     I concur that Len would bawl you out if you had goofed magnificently.
>
>     Always justified, but forgotten once he had made his point.
>
>     I envied his height ? having an after show noggin in the TVC bar,
>     I stood on the bar rail, with my back to the counter ? this
>     brought me up to Len?s eye height and I commented on how much
>     better the world looked from there! (Also to catch the bar staff?s
>     eye more easily).
>
>     Pat
>
>     Sent fromMail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986>for
>     Windows 10
>
>     *From:*John Hays via Tech1
>     *Sent:*27 February 2019 16:40
>     *To:*tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
>     *Subject:*[Tech1] Len Shorey
>
>     Hello everyone.The recent reminisces about LEN reminded me of two
>     more tales.He was mixing, unusually, a sitcom and I had the
>     perfect job for my trainee.Len was a bit sniffy about it, but
>     eventually agreed after I pointed out that SA1s have a duty to
>     train youngsters.All went well on rehearsal, but disaster on
>     recording, causing a retake.Len was absolutely furious with me,
>     but after half an hour all was forgotten.He was also a proficient
>     wood worker and attended classes in East London making chairs I
>     believe.It so happened that my wife , Anna also makes chairs, and
>     when they met on social occasions long discussions took place on
>     the difficult process of assembling them.
>
>     Best wishes to all, John Hays.
>
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From graeme.wall at icloud.com  Fri Mar  1 05:59:13 2019
From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall)
Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2019 11:59:13 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Singer on MPRC
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Not on the Mole crew but we used it on Rod McKuen on the Nike whicjh I was a swinger on and it /was/ hard work.  We added a coupe of Mole weights to the bucket IIRC.

? 
Graeme Wall


> On 1 Mar 2019, at 09:35, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Are any of the Mole crew on here?  Must have been hard work
> 
> B
> 
> 
> 
> On 01/03/2019 00:12, Louis Barfe via Tech1 wrote:
>> On 28/02/2019 19:06, phider via Tech1 wrote: 
>>> You're memory is spot on Alec. It was a bookable item from stores and, if I remember correctly, it was called a Bongo. We used it on TOTP. The camera end had a lot of inertia and you needed two arm swingers. I think it was also used in the TVT on Val Doonican. 
>>> 
>> It was also used on a Sammy Davis Jr special from the TVT, produced by Dennis Main Drain. Sammy's percussionist Juan Mendoza was on the front of the Mole during a medley of songs from West Side Story. It's a very fine bit of camerawork. 
>> 
>> https://youtu.be/c0GCZaHjD58 
>> 
>> All the best, 
>> Louis 
>> 
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From j at howell61.f9.co.uk  Fri Mar  1 07:36:14 2019
From: j at howell61.f9.co.uk (John Howell)
Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2019 13:36:14 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Singer on MPRC
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It must have been difficult to light unless you wanted a 'passing 
streetlight' effect, was there any provision for lighting the artist on 
the front?

John H.


On 01/03/2019 11:59, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote:
> Not on the Mole crew but we used it on Rod McKuen on the Nike whicjh I was a swinger on and it /was/ hard work.  We added a coupe of Mole weights to the bucket IIRC.
>
> ?
> Graeme Wall
>
>
>> On 1 Mar 2019, at 09:35, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> Are any of the Mole crew on here?  Must have been hard work
>>
>> -
>>
>>
>>
>> On 01/03/2019 00:12, Louis Barfe via Tech1 wrote:
>>> On 28/02/2019 19:06, phider via Tech1 wrote:
>>>> You're memory is spot on Alec. It was a bookable item from stores and, if I remember correctly, it was called a Bongo. We used it on TOTP. The camera end had a lot of inertia and you needed two arm swingers. I think it was also used in the TVT on Val Doonican.
>>>>
>>> It was also used on a Sammy Davis Jr special from the TVT, produced by Dennis Main Drain. Sammy's percussionist Juan Mendoza was on the front of the Mole during a medley of songs from West Side Story. It's a very fine bit of camerawork.
>>>
>>> https://youtu.be/c0GCZaHjD58
>>>
>>> All the best,
>>> Louis
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Fri Mar  1 07:39:12 2019
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2019 13:39:12 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Singer on MPRC
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The set-up with the ?flying singer? was used in ?Singin? in the Rain? (1952) Gene Kelly is ?flown? on Broadway Melody, with the set behind him. A borrowed idea, methinks, for the BBC show.
Regarding SITR ? my favourite film ? the plot being the transition of silent film making to ?talkies?. Most of the problems depicted are still with us today!
Pat

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From: Alec Bray via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>?<
Date: 28/02/2019 15:50 (GMT+00:00) 
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk 
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Also in R1 we had a singer fixed to the front of the Mole.? I can't 
remember all the details, but it was something like this. A beam about - 
oh I suppose 15 inches wide (of course, pre-metrification) had hooks and 
clamps which could be fastened to the front of the Mole platform.? I had 
never seen the likes of this, but apparently it was a sort of stock item 
which could be booked out (but \I never saw it again).? This was clamped 
to the front of the Mole.? At the far end of the beam was a seat - 
somewhat akin to a London Bus Drivers seat, with the seat bit on the 
beam.? Whoever had to sit in this seat had basically to straddle the 
seam with his or her legs.




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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Fri Mar  1 08:05:02 2019
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2019 14:05:02 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Ginger Cowgill - again...
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These wonderful, and embarrassing stories made me wonder why some staff directors felt it necessary to be such absolute sh*ts. I got bawled out by Michael Mills ? quite rightly, actually, when I miscued a taped insert. Not the best way to encourage crews to give of their best, though.
I remember several directors who were a joy to work with/for:
Gerry Blake, Gerry Mills, George Inns, Johnny Downes, Peter Whitmore, Mary Ridge, David Maloney, Margaret Dale for instance. 
Some of the above were good enough to write an appreciative memo following my work on their shows.
Best
Pat


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From: David Beer via Tech1
Sent: 01 March 2019 11:30
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Ginger Cowgill - again...

My Cowgill memory was during a Grandstand programme when he was sitting on the studio floor watching a live football relay surrounded by the sparks, scene crew and sub-editors when suddenly there was a fierce whip-pan and crash zoom in on air. We all looked across to Cowgill expecting an explosion, but he had been deep in conversation with one of the floor staff so by the time he looked up, the lucky director had cut to another camera!
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From dave at davesound.co.uk  Fri Mar  1 08:18:34 2019
From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman)
Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2019 14:18:34 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Tech1] Singer on MPRC
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In article
<CAE6tP4AAsx_jQ9-91iRC7C=a5Gj+agism5zC3aVOJ3L4r6Lcbw at mail.gmail.com>,
   Bill Jenkin via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> Wasn't that device called the "Flying Chair"?

I remember it being called a Bosun Chair. Which makes some sense to me.

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From dave.thompson.mail at gmail.com  Fri Mar  1 09:42:52 2019
From: dave.thompson.mail at gmail.com (David Thompson)
Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2019 15:42:52 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] More of wonderful Len
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I recall in November 1979 I was working with Len on a music show and we were in Lime Grove recording studio; remember the 8-track Scully! I had not been feeling a ?happy bunny? for some weeks and on this occasion I spent quite a bit of time lying on the couch in front of the sound desk and Len doing all of the work. After dinner, which I had bowed out of, Len returned with a couple of rum & blackcurrants to cheer me up. I went home that evening and didn?t return to work for 6 months. Apparently I had suffered a perforated appendix. Gangrene set in and I was probably lucky to get away with it.

Len was a totally intuitive mixer. One of a very rare breed. The late and sadly missed Peter Rose was another. Most mixers, myself included, worked to a developed formula, some from memory and some from notebooks. Nothing wrong with that. Remember the amazing Dickie Chamberlain. What a triumph he was.

To illustrate my point;- A day in TC 1 with the Pye wrap around Desk. Some channels with EQ and some not. In the gallery a be-suited bod from Grading. The Sound Supervisors were up for a possible salary lift.

Len and I patch the desk and the band call starts. Len fades pretty well everything up, leans back in his seat, toothpick in hand, and just pokes at the quadrant faders, a little bit here, a little bit there. After in few moments he identifies a guitar. For reasons I can?t now explain we seem to have two rythmn guitars that day. With a flamboyant gesture Len closes the fader, muttering something about incompetence. Some pieces later we take break and whilst Len is away the Grading man speaks. ?What was that all about?? he asks. I explain to the man that Len has decided that that particular player is not offering anything useful to the mix. ?Do you mean he will remain faded out permanently?? ?Probably?. I reply. The ?Grader? reaches for his reporter?s notebook and write furiously for some time.

 Len returns. Nothing is said. The fader remained closed.

The Grading claim was successful.

 
To illustrate here?s another Lime Grove moment.

Len and I were booked to record Bob Farnon & his orchestra recording the titles for ?Colditz?.

Len realized that, unlike the usual mixture of session players the chances were that this band would be more self-balanced. ?Let?s use the lazy arm and put them at the live end of the studio? he declared. These were mono days, so the rig comprised one 4038 in the sweet spot.

 We had just started the play through when producer/deviser Gerry Glaister stuck his head through the door. ?Just going to have a bite in the restaurant. I?ll be back in a while? he whispered to me.

? I?d come in now if I were you? I declared, ?otherwise you may miss it?. Sure enough, one more play through and a couple of takes and we were finished. One mic to de-rig and then

off to the bar.

 
My final offering is the day I turned up to do ?The Tony Bennett Show?.

Len was in a mood. ?Can?t stand that man? he said,  you?ll have to do it.  (Remember the ?Sound Training Course? you sound men.)

Len  sat behind and proffered advice and I, ?under guidance? of course, waggled the knobs.

I even had to do the ?Post?.

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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Fri Mar  1 14:49:21 2019
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2019 20:49:21 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] 'nother rant subject?
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I really am an old F.A.R.T. (Formerly Active Recording Technician)
At 76, watching the ?Celebrity? versions of quiz shows (inc. Mastermind)
I?m appalled by:
1. I do not recognize any of the contestants ? who they?
2. The degree of lack of knowledge. The contestants drawn from the public are far more erudite and entertaining. The ?celebrities? just let themselves down.

An idea ? have an episode where the quiz presenters form the contestant team. Let?s see how they fare without the answers on the card! (Oh, but that would be SO embarrassing!)
Pat

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From geoffreyhawkes at btinternet.com  Fri Mar  1 15:17:37 2019
From: geoffreyhawkes at btinternet.com (Geoffrey Hawkes)
Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2019 21:17:37 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] 'nother rant subject?
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On a similar note, I don?t like the revised format of Who Wants To Be A Millionaire with Jeremy Clarkson as quiz master instead of Chris Tarrant - and the lifeline of Ask Jeremy seems all wrong to me, 
Geoff Hawkes
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> On 1 Mar 2019, at 20:49, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> I really am an old F.A.R.T. (Formerly Active Recording Technician)
> At 76, watching the ?Celebrity? versions of quiz shows (inc. Mastermind)
> I?m appalled by:
> I do not recognize any of the contestants ? who they?
> The degree of lack of knowledge. The contestants drawn from the public are far more erudite and entertaining. The ?celebrities? just let themselves down.
> 
> An idea ? have an episode where the quiz presenters form the contestant team. Let?s see how they fare without the answers on the card! (Oh, but that would be SO embarrassing!)
> Pat
>  
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From geoffreyhawkes at btinternet.com  Fri Mar  1 17:03:33 2019
From: geoffreyhawkes at btinternet.com (Geoffrey Hawkes)
Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2019 23:03:33 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Open House
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I was on Crew 2 at the time and worked on Open House quite regularly. Stewart Morris directed it and Pat Hubbard often vision mixed. As DO3, I tracked the mole, with Clive Halls as the swinger and Frank Wilkins of course on the front. The contraption being talked about, I thought was called the ?Flying Angel? as it enabled the person in it to apparently fly. The provision for counter-balancing was that the bucket on the back could be pulled out allowing extra weights to be added to it. I?ve no doubt that it needed a second swinger to cope with the extra inertia but I can?t remember that bit. It made it a rather cumbersome, unwieldy beast and don?t think it was used very often as it took a while to rig and de-rig and it couldn?t be left on when not in use.
I was occasionally allowed to do a camera, which were the new Pye Mk? (Dudley Darby is better at remembering which were which than me), it was the one with the electric turret change that TVT also had. Any mistakes on air had to be accounted for to Stewart himself after the show and he would come down on the floor to seek out the offender, more often than not, me. Good old Pat Hubbard would also come down and offer a few conciliatory words which went a long way to soothe the wounds.  I always liked him for that.
Gaye Burn: I don?t know how he came to be chosen as front man but when it was dropped, he disappeared back from whence he came. Open House isn?t even mentioned on Wikipedia among the list of shows he presented during his long career. Perhaps one of us should do an edit?
I?m trying to remember who the band leader was, I want to say Tony Osborne but am not sure if that?s right. I seem to remember whoever it was playing the trombone one time and me tracking the mole too far down the alley towards him so that the front threatened to ram the instrument down his throat which could?ve been nasty. It was hard to tell from the back, but it would?ve made a good out-take wouldn?t it? 
Among the artists was the magician, Al Koran and the heart throb, deaf singer Johnny Ray made a guest appearance one time. I was impressed to see him as my mum was a fan but chose not to destroy her illusion by telling her how he quite blatantly tried to chat me up by feigning an interest in how tele-promoter worked, as if he?d never seen it before. Frank would?ve been amused as he was always quick to spot and capitalise on such things in an attempt to embarrass, but I didn?t say anything to him either. I owe a lot to Frank though, for teaching me to be resilient and he always took it in good part when I replied with a quip of my own against him.
I?m sure we all have similar stories to tell of how we learnt to adjust to being part of the strange world of life in Television - and count ourselves lucky to have be part of it,
Regards,
Geoff


> On 28 Feb 2019, at 15:50, Alec Bray via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> And, of course, there was the all-to-brief "Open House" on BBC-2 (comp?red by Gay Byrne) soon after BBC-2 started, targetted especially to those viewers who did not want to watch "Grandstand".
> 
> It was a Riverside production in all ways, since R1 and R2 were put together for the afternoon: which one segment was showing in one studio, we would be rehearsing the next in the other.
> 
> A couple of highlights I remember (apart from Blaster Bates!).  A bright young singer, Millie, singing "My Boy Lollipop" in R1.  So that puts it firmly in 1964.
> 
> Also in R1 we had a singer fixed to the front of the Mole.  I can't remember all the details, but it was something like this. A beam about - oh I suppose 15 inches wide (of course, pre-metrification) had hooks and clamps which could be fastened to the front of the Mole platform.  I had never seen the likes of this, but apparently it was a sort of stock item which could be booked out (but \I never saw it again).  This was clamped to the front of the Mole.  At the far end of the beam was a seat - somewhat akin to a London Bus Drivers seat, with the seat bit on the beam.  Whoever had to sit in this seat had basically to straddle the seam with his or her legs.
> 
> Obviously there had to be additional weights in the Mole bucket, but how, or where from, these appeared, I did not know.  For the song, the singer sat in the seat, and the camera on the Mole  had a (query) loose MCU shot, so that there was a fair bit of background.  The the Mole went for an amble around the Studio (R1): the singer was always in shot and in focus, but the background sort of swirled around him.  Yes, it was a "him" - I think that he was wearing top hat and tails ('twas a long time ago) but certainly his dress was more formal than casual.
> 
> There was no room in R1 and R2 for an orchestra (and I don't think that there would have been time for a sound check! - as I recall it was all go!).  MIllie certainly miming to her record - but the male singer could have been miming to a Beeb prerecord.
> 
> 
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> 
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From geoffletch at gmail.com  Fri Mar  1 17:26:52 2019
From: geoffletch at gmail.com (Geoff Fletcher)
Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2019 23:26:52 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Open House
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>From my diaries:-
Saturday 9 August 1964 / Crew 4
R2     Open House     0930 - 1745     Crewed out
Grotty skinny models all over the place!

Saturday 7 November 1964 / Crew 4
R2     Open House     0930 - 1730     Heron tracking
Heron tracking - Roy up front.

These seem to be the only ones I was involved with.  Frank and Crew 2 must
have been on something else those weeks.

Geoff F



On Fri, Mar 1, 2019 at 11:04 PM Geoffrey Hawkes via Tech1 <
tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

> I was on Crew 2 at the time and worked on Open House quite regularly.
> Stewart Morris directed it and Pat Hubbard often vision mixed. As DO3, I
> tracked the mole, with Clive Halls as the swinger and Frank Wilkins of
> course on the front. The contraption being talked about, I thought was
> called the ?Flying Angel? as it enabled the person in it to apparently fly.
> The provision for counter-balancing was that the bucket on the back could
> be pulled out allowing extra weights to be added to it. I?ve no doubt that
> it needed a second swinger to cope with the extra inertia but I can?t
> remember that bit. It made it a rather cumbersome, unwieldy beast and don?t
> think it was used very often as it took a while to rig and de-rig and it
> couldn?t be left on when not in use.
> I was occasionally allowed to do a camera, which were the new Pye Mk?
> (Dudley Darby is better at remembering which were which than me), it was
> the one with the electric turret change that TVT also had. Any mistakes on
> air had to be accounted for to Stewart himself after the show and he would
> come down on the floor to seek out the offender, more often than not, me.
> Good old Pat Hubbard would also come down and offer a few conciliatory
> words which went a long way to soothe the wounds.  I always liked him for
> that.
> Gaye Burn: I don?t know how he came to be chosen as front man but when it
> was dropped, he disappeared back from whence he came. Open House isn?t even
> mentioned on Wikipedia among the list of shows he presented during his long
> career. Perhaps one of us should do an edit?
> I?m trying to remember who the band leader was, I want to say Tony Osborne
> but am not sure if that?s right. I seem to remember whoever it was playing
> the trombone one time and me tracking the mole too far down the alley
> towards him so that the front threatened to ram the instrument down his
> throat which could?ve been nasty. It was hard to tell from the back, but it
> would?ve made a good out-take wouldn?t it?
> Among the artists was the magician, Al Koran and the heart throb, deaf
> singer Johnny Ray made a guest appearance one time. I was impressed to see
> him as my mum was a fan but chose not to destroy her illusion by telling
> her how he quite blatantly tried to chat me up by feigning an interest in
> how tele-promoter worked, as if he?d never seen it before. Frank would?ve
> been amused as he was always quick to spot and capitalise on such things in
> an attempt to embarrass, but I didn?t say anything to him either. I owe a
> lot to Frank though, for teaching me to be resilient and he always took it
> in good part when I replied with a quip of my own against him.
> I?m sure we all have similar stories to tell of how we learnt to adjust to
> being part of the strange world of life in Television - and count ourselves
> lucky to have be part of it,
> Regards,
> Geoff
>
>
> > On 28 Feb 2019, at 15:50, Alec Bray via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> wrote:
> >
> > And, of course, there was the all-to-brief "Open House" on BBC-2
> (comp?red by Gay Byrne) soon after BBC-2 started, targetted especially to
> those viewers who did not want to watch "Grandstand".
> >
> > It was a Riverside production in all ways, since R1 and R2 were put
> together for the afternoon: which one segment was showing in one studio, we
> would be rehearsing the next in the other.
> >
> > A couple of highlights I remember (apart from Blaster Bates!).  A bright
> young singer, Millie, singing "My Boy Lollipop" in R1.  So that puts it
> firmly in 1964.
> >
> > Also in R1 we had a singer fixed to the front of the Mole.  I can't
> remember all the details, but it was something like this. A beam about - oh
> I suppose 15 inches wide (of course, pre-metrification) had hooks and
> clamps which could be fastened to the front of the Mole platform.  I had
> never seen the likes of this, but apparently it was a sort of stock item
> which could be booked out (but \I never saw it again).  This was clamped to
> the front of the Mole.  At the far end of the beam was a seat - somewhat
> akin to a London Bus Drivers seat, with the seat bit on the beam.  Whoever
> had to sit in this seat had basically to straddle the seam with his or her
> legs.
> >
> > Obviously there had to be additional weights in the Mole bucket, but
> how, or where from, these appeared, I did not know.  For the song, the
> singer sat in the seat, and the camera on the Mole  had a (query) loose MCU
> shot, so that there was a fair bit of background.  The the Mole went for an
> amble around the Studio (R1): the singer was always in shot and in focus,
> but the background sort of swirled around him.  Yes, it was a "him" - I
> think that he was wearing top hat and tails ('twas a long time ago) but
> certainly his dress was more formal than casual.
> >
> > There was no room in R1 and R2 for an orchestra (and I don't think that
> there would have been time for a sound check! - as I recall it was all
> go!).  MIllie certainly miming to her record - but the male singer could
> have been miming to a Beeb prerecord.
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> > Best Regards
> >
> > Alec
> >
> > Alec Bray
> >
> > alec.bray.2 at gmail.com
> > mob:    07789 561 346
> > home:   0118 981 7502
> >
> >
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From geoffletch at gmail.com  Fri Mar  1 17:30:43 2019
From: geoffletch at gmail.com (Geoff Fletcher)
Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2019 23:30:43 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Open House
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I've tried to find more info on the Mole Bongo Trolley / Bosun'sChair,
 etc. attachment - no joy so far. A photo would be good.
Geoff F

On Fri, Mar 1, 2019 at 11:26 PM Geoff Fletcher <geoffletch at gmail.com> wrote:

> From my diaries:-
> Saturday 9 August 1964 / Crew 4
> R2     Open House     0930 - 1745     Crewed out
> Grotty skinny models all over the place!
>
> Saturday 7 November 1964 / Crew 4
> R2     Open House     0930 - 1730     Heron tracking
> Heron tracking - Roy up front.
>
> These seem to be the only ones I was involved with.  Frank and Crew 2 must
> have been on something else those weeks.
>
> Geoff F
>
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 1, 2019 at 11:04 PM Geoffrey Hawkes via Tech1 <
> tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> I was on Crew 2 at the time and worked on Open House quite regularly.
>> Stewart Morris directed it and Pat Hubbard often vision mixed. As DO3, I
>> tracked the mole, with Clive Halls as the swinger and Frank Wilkins of
>> course on the front. The contraption being talked about, I thought was
>> called the ?Flying Angel? as it enabled the person in it to apparently fly.
>> The provision for counter-balancing was that the bucket on the back could
>> be pulled out allowing extra weights to be added to it. I?ve no doubt that
>> it needed a second swinger to cope with the extra inertia but I can?t
>> remember that bit. It made it a rather cumbersome, unwieldy beast and don?t
>> think it was used very often as it took a while to rig and de-rig and it
>> couldn?t be left on when not in use.
>> I was occasionally allowed to do a camera, which were the new Pye Mk?
>> (Dudley Darby is better at remembering which were which than me), it was
>> the one with the electric turret change that TVT also had. Any mistakes on
>> air had to be accounted for to Stewart himself after the show and he would
>> come down on the floor to seek out the offender, more often than not, me.
>> Good old Pat Hubbard would also come down and offer a few conciliatory
>> words which went a long way to soothe the wounds.  I always liked him for
>> that.
>> Gaye Burn: I don?t know how he came to be chosen as front man but when it
>> was dropped, he disappeared back from whence he came. Open House isn?t even
>> mentioned on Wikipedia among the list of shows he presented during his long
>> career. Perhaps one of us should do an edit?
>> I?m trying to remember who the band leader was, I want to say Tony
>> Osborne but am not sure if that?s right. I seem to remember whoever it was
>> playing the trombone one time and me tracking the mole too far down the
>> alley towards him so that the front threatened to ram the instrument down
>> his throat which could?ve been nasty. It was hard to tell from the back,
>> but it would?ve made a good out-take wouldn?t it?
>> Among the artists was the magician, Al Koran and the heart throb, deaf
>> singer Johnny Ray made a guest appearance one time. I was impressed to see
>> him as my mum was a fan but chose not to destroy her illusion by telling
>> her how he quite blatantly tried to chat me up by feigning an interest in
>> how tele-promoter worked, as if he?d never seen it before. Frank would?ve
>> been amused as he was always quick to spot and capitalise on such things in
>> an attempt to embarrass, but I didn?t say anything to him either. I owe a
>> lot to Frank though, for teaching me to be resilient and he always took it
>> in good part when I replied with a quip of my own against him.
>> I?m sure we all have similar stories to tell of how we learnt to adjust
>> to being part of the strange world of life in Television - and count
>> ourselves lucky to have be part of it,
>> Regards,
>> Geoff
>>
>>
>> > On 28 Feb 2019, at 15:50, Alec Bray via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > And, of course, there was the all-to-brief "Open House" on BBC-2
>> (comp?red by Gay Byrne) soon after BBC-2 started, targetted especially to
>> those viewers who did not want to watch "Grandstand".
>> >
>> > It was a Riverside production in all ways, since R1 and R2 were put
>> together for the afternoon: which one segment was showing in one studio, we
>> would be rehearsing the next in the other.
>> >
>> > A couple of highlights I remember (apart from Blaster Bates!).  A
>> bright young singer, Millie, singing "My Boy Lollipop" in R1.  So that puts
>> it firmly in 1964.
>> >
>> > Also in R1 we had a singer fixed to the front of the Mole.  I can't
>> remember all the details, but it was something like this. A beam about - oh
>> I suppose 15 inches wide (of course, pre-metrification) had hooks and
>> clamps which could be fastened to the front of the Mole platform.  I had
>> never seen the likes of this, but apparently it was a sort of stock item
>> which could be booked out (but \I never saw it again).  This was clamped to
>> the front of the Mole.  At the far end of the beam was a seat - somewhat
>> akin to a London Bus Drivers seat, with the seat bit on the beam.  Whoever
>> had to sit in this seat had basically to straddle the seam with his or her
>> legs.
>> >
>> > Obviously there had to be additional weights in the Mole bucket, but
>> how, or where from, these appeared, I did not know.  For the song, the
>> singer sat in the seat, and the camera on the Mole  had a (query) loose MCU
>> shot, so that there was a fair bit of background.  The the Mole went for an
>> amble around the Studio (R1): the singer was always in shot and in focus,
>> but the background sort of swirled around him.  Yes, it was a "him" - I
>> think that he was wearing top hat and tails ('twas a long time ago) but
>> certainly his dress was more formal than casual.
>> >
>> > There was no room in R1 and R2 for an orchestra (and I don't think that
>> there would have been time for a sound check! - as I recall it was all
>> go!).  MIllie certainly miming to her record - but the male singer could
>> have been miming to a Beeb prerecord.
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> >
>> > Best Regards
>> >
>> > Alec
>> >
>> > Alec Bray
>> >
>> > alec.bray.2 at gmail.com
>> > mob:    07789 561 346
>> > home:   0118 981 7502
>> >
>> >
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>>
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From martindilly20 at gmail.com  Fri Mar  1 17:50:13 2019
From: martindilly20 at gmail.com (Martin Dilly)
Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2019 23:50:13 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] 'nother rant subject?
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Two recent answers from apparent 'celebrities'. 1) Which sea separates 
the east coast of Britain from Norway? Answer - "Pacific". 2) Which 
season did the poet have in mind when he wrote "Season of mists and 
mellow fruitfulness"? Answer - "Oliver Twist".

On 01/03/2019 20:49, patheigham via Tech1 wrote:
>
> I really am an old F.A.R.T. (Formerly Active Recording Technician)
>
> At 76, watching the ?Celebrity? versions of quiz shows (inc. Mastermind)
>
> I?m appalled by:
>
>  1. I do not recognize any of the contestants ? who they?
>  2. The degree of lack of knowledge. The contestants drawn from the
>     public are far more erudite and entertaining. The ?celebrities?
>     just let themselves down.
>
> An idea ? have an episode where the quiz presenters form the 
> contestant team. Let?s see how they fare without the answers on the 
> card! (Oh, but that would be SO embarrassing!)
>
> Pat
>
> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for 
> Windows 10
>
>
> <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient> 
> 	Virus-free. www.avast.com 
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From rogerbunce at btinternet.com  Sat Mar  2 11:11:32 2019
From: rogerbunce at btinternet.com (ROGER BUNCE)
Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2019 17:11:32 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tech1] Nigel Calder's science epics
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Thinking about TC1 again (or still), I suddenly remembered those epic, studio-based science programmes, that the BBC occasionally made - in the days when it was believed that the general public could cope with prolonged educational content. They were written by Nigel Calder and generally presented by Magnus Magnusson, who would wander amongst huge models of atomic nuclei; planets, solar systems, galaxies, etc. Examples include "The Violent Universe" (1969 - a solid two-and-a-half hours of Quasars, Pulsars and Black Holes), "The Restless Earth" (1972 - over two hours of plate tectonics) and "The Weather Machine" (1974 - which warned that the next Ice Age was overdue - shortly before scientists started thinking about Global Warming!). I'm sure there was an earlier one, about D.N.A. with a studio full of large molecular structures, but I can't trace it.
Does anyone remember working on any of these? Or can anyone remember other examples of the genre? - film or location based documentaries don't count - only those fronted live or as-live from TC1.
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From graeme.wall at icloud.com  Sat Mar  2 11:15:18 2019
From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall)
Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2019 17:15:18 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Nigel Calder's science epics
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The Mind of Man was one I remember
? 
Graeme Wall


> On 2 Mar 2019, at 17:11, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Thinking about TC1 again (or still), I suddenly remembered those epic, studio-based science programmes, that the BBC occasionally made - in the days when it was believed that the general public could cope with prolonged educational content. They were written by Nigel Calder and generally presented by Magnus Magnusson, who would wander amongst huge models of atomic nuclei; planets, solar systems, galaxies, etc. Examples include "The Violent Universe" (1969 - a solid two-and-a-half hours of Quasars, Pulsars and Black Holes), "The Restless Earth" (1972 - over two hours of plate tectonics) and "The Weather Machine" (1974 - which warned that the next Ice Age was overdue - shortly before scientists started thinking about Global Warming!). I'm sure there was an earlier one, about D.N.A. with a studio full of large molecular structures, but I can't trace it.
> 
> Does anyone remember working on any of these? Or can anyone remember other examples of the genre? - film or location based documentaries don't count - only those fronted live or as-live from TC1.
> 
> luv, Rog. 
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From jcpcavaciuti at gmail.com  Sun Mar  3 07:06:31 2019
From: jcpcavaciuti at gmail.com (John Cavaciuti)
Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2019 13:06:31 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Nigel Calder's science epics
Message-ID: <57939E76-3D70-4A88-9920-10965D41FBEE@gmail.com>

Hi Roger,

I worked on  'The Weather Machine' in 1974, it was in TC6 however, not TC1.

It was Crew 14, Thursday 26th September to Wednesday 2nd October with the Sunday off,
six 12hour + days.

In fact it was my first show as No. 2 on the crew and Dave Mutton was on leave.  I attach a 
scan of a  photograph showing that it was shot against blacks and featured a Nike with autocue on.

I seem to remember that we shot a slightly different version each day, geared  to suit the 
different broadcasters involved in the project with Magnus Magnusson presenting the BBC
programme.

cheers,

John Cav.

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From relong at btinternet.com  Sun Mar  3 12:10:42 2019
From: relong at btinternet.com (Roger E Long)
Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2019 18:10:42 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Nigel Calder's science epics
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Clips of the Weather Machine exist on Tube
Its a prediction on a coming Ice Age, a serious Planetary threat in the 1970s, that and Acid Rain.
Climatologists predict dire futures , at the end an obscure Skandi academic in a forest glade suggests that possibly burning fossil Fuels might save us by increasing the CO2 content and warming the Planet?
Now the BBC and Academia has UTurned and tells us we will experience species extinction  from our  profligate carbon footprint.
No one is allowed to question wether Solar Activity may also contribute
Science is never set in stone as the above prove
It must always be challenged
But not by our present BBC
Nigel Calder later said Einstein could not of got funding under the present system.

Best 
Roger Long

> On 3 Mar 2019, at 13:06, John Cavaciuti via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Hi Roger,
> 
> I worked on  'The Weather Machine' in 1974, it was in TC6 however, not TC1.
> 
> It was Crew 14, Thursday 26th September to Wednesday 2nd October with the Sunday off,
> six 12hour + days.
> 
> In fact it was my first show as No. 2 on the crew and Dave Mutton was on leave.  I attach a 
> scan of a  photograph showing that it was shot against blacks and featured a Nike with autocue on.
> 
> I seem to remember that we shot a slightly different version each day, geared  to suit the 
> different broadcasters involved in the project with Magnus Magnusson presenting the BBC
> programme.
> 
> cheers,
> 
> John Cav.
> 
> <Weather Machine 1974.jpeg>
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From jpbarlow at btopenworld.com  Sun Mar  3 14:43:59 2019
From: jpbarlow at btopenworld.com (jpbarlow at btopenworld.com)
Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2019 20:43:59 -0000
Subject: [Tech1] Nigel Calder's science epics
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I think it was The Weather Machine, as mentioned by John Cav. The late Peter Clevely was, amongst many other things, an expert with origami. He made an astonishingly lifelike 3? model of an astronaut from a page of script which we suspended from a lens-hood and tracked round an enormous model of the earth. The production team were stunned.

 

JohnB

 

From: Tech1 <tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk> > On Behalf Of ROGER BUNCE via Tech1
Sent: 02 March 2019 17:12
To: dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> >
Subject: [Tech1] Nigel Calder's science epics

 

Thinking about TC1 again (or still), I suddenly remembered those epic, studio-based science programmes, that the BBC occasionally made - in the days when it was believed that the general public could cope with prolonged educational content. They were written by Nigel Calder and generally presented by Magnus Magnusson, who would wander amongst huge models of atomic nuclei; planets, solar systems, galaxies, etc. Examples include "The Violent Universe" (1969 - a solid two-and-a-half hours of Quasars, Pulsars and Black Holes), "The Restless Earth" (1972 - over two hours of plate tectonics) and "The Weather Machine" (1974 - which warned that the next Ice Age was overdue - shortly before scientists started thinking about Global Warming!). I'm sure there was an earlier one, about D.N.A. with a studio full of large molecular structures, but I can't trace it.

 

Does anyone remember working on any of these? Or can anyone remember other examples of the genre? - film or location based documentaries don't count - only those fronted live or as-live from TC1.

 

luv, Rog. 

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From crew13 at vincent68.plus.com  Mon Mar  4 04:52:53 2019
From: crew13 at vincent68.plus.com (John Vincent)
Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2019 10:52:53 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Peter Cleveley
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Yes, Pete was a genius.

He would send an origami model down to Bristol where the Vision On team would unfold it in a stop motion shoot, then play it backwards to see it make itself.

Pete would sometimes be spotted in the bar reading classical Greek in its original language or working out enormous prime numbers. 

He also knew the brand of Irish whiskey you could drink in pubs around Shepherds Bush without getting beaten up.

John V




On 3 Mar 2019, at 20:43, jpbarlow--- via Tech1 wrote:

>  
> I think it was The Weather Machine, as mentioned by John Cav. The late Peter Clevely was, amongst many other things, an expert with origami. He made an astonishingly lifelike 3? model of an astronaut from a page of script which we suspended from a lens-hood and tracked round an enormous model of the earth. The production team were stunned.
>  
> JohnB
>  
> From: Tech1 <tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk> On Behalf Of ROGER BUNCE via Tech1
> Sent: 02 March 2019 17:12
> To: dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> Subject: [Tech1] Nigel Calder's science epics
>  
> Thinking about TC1 again (or still), I suddenly remembered those epic, studio-based science programmes, that the BBC occasionally made - in the days when it was believed that the general public could cope with prolonged educational content. They were written by Nigel Calder and generally presented by Magnus Magnusson, who would wander amongst huge models of atomic nuclei; planets, solar systems, galaxies, etc. Examples include "The Violent Universe" (1969 - a solid two-and-a-half hours of Quasars, Pulsars and Black Holes), "The Restless Earth" (1972 - over two hours of plate tectonics) and "The Weather Machine" (1974 - which warned that the next Ice Age was overdue - shortly before scientists started thinking about Global Warming!). I'm sure there was an earlier one, about D.N.A. with a studio full of large molecular structures, but I can't trace it.
>  
> Does anyone remember working on any of these? Or can anyone remember other examples of the genre? - film or location based documentaries don't count - only those fronted live or as-live from TC1.
>  
> luv, Rog. 
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From rogerbunce at btinternet.com  Mon Mar  4 05:51:17 2019
From: rogerbunce at btinternet.com (ROGER BUNCE)
Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2019 11:51:17 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tech1] Bubbly
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Tesco's sparkling wine - specially named in honour of BBC Pensioners.(No, it doesn't say Prosecco, as I realised when I put my specs on!)


luv, Rog.
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From rogerbunce at btinternet.com  Mon Mar  4 07:14:03 2019
From: rogerbunce at btinternet.com (ROGER BUNCE)
Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2019 13:14:03 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tech1] Weather Machine
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 Photographic evidence! Sadly, not quite as realistic as John Barlow's memory - and it wasn't origami, it was rolled-up camera tape, with a bit of lighting gel for the visor - and, on this occasion, it wasn't Pete Cleveley, undoubted genius though he was. He'd probably have made a better version.
At one point we also put a model bone in orbit. To understand that reference, you have to remember the ape-man sequence from "2001: A Space Odyssey".?

John Henshall has preserved an extract from the log for "The Weather Machine". The T.M., John Carter says, "Excellent throughout. A pleasure to work with this crew." and has given everyone an 'A' - even the humble Nike tracker called J. Barlow. Whatever happened to him?
N.B. People have been receiving bogus emails, apparently from my address. If it isn't signed "luv, Rog." please bin it unread. (You can also bin it if I'm just being boring.)
luv, Rog.


     On Monday, 4 March 2019, 10:53:25 GMT, John Vincent via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:  
 
 Yes, Pete was a genius.
He would send an origami model down to Bristol where the Vision On team would unfold it in a stop motion shoot, then play it backwards to see it make itself.
Pete would sometimes be spotted in the bar reading classical Greek in its original language or working out enormous prime numbers.?
He also knew the brand of Irish whiskey you could drink in pubs around Shepherds Bush without getting beaten up.
John V




On 3 Mar 2019, at 20:43, jpbarlow--- via Tech1 wrote:

 ?I think it was The Weather Machine, as mentioned by John Cav. The late Peter Clevely was, amongst many other things, an expert with origami. He made an astonishingly lifelike 3? model of an astronaut from a page of script which we suspended from a lens-hood and tracked round an enormous model of the earth. The production team were stunned. ?JohnB ?From:?Tech1 <tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk>?On Behalf Of?ROGER BUNCE via Tech1
Sent:?02 March 2019 17:12
To:?dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
Subject:?[Tech1] Nigel Calder's science epics ?Thinking about TC1 again (or still), I suddenly remembered those epic, studio-based science programmes, that the BBC occasionally made - in the days when it was believed that the general public could cope with prolonged educational content. They were written by Nigel Calder and generally presented by Magnus Magnusson, who would wander amongst huge models of atomic nuclei; planets, solar systems, galaxies, etc. Examples include "The Violent Universe" (1969 - a solid two-and-a-half hours of Quasars, Pulsars and Black Holes), "The Restless Earth" (1972 - over two hours of plate tectonics) and "The Weather Machine" (1974 - which warned that the next Ice Age was overdue - shortly before scientists started thinking about Global Warming!). I'm sure there was an earlier one, about D.N.A. with a studio full of large molecular structures, but I can't trace it. ?Does anyone remember working on any of these? Or can anyone remember other examples of the genre? - film or location based documentaries don't count - only those fronted live or as-live from TC1. ?luv, Rog.? --?
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From brian.curtis.bluesky at gmail.com  Mon Mar  4 07:43:43 2019
From: brian.curtis.bluesky at gmail.com (Brian Curtis)
Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2019 13:43:43 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Bubbly
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Or celebrating the Isle of Wight's venture into space with the Black Arrow
rocket and the Prospero X satellite.

We have a life size replica of the Black Arrow rocket (R3) which was
designed, built and tested on the Isle of Wight and launched in Woomera in
October 1971 in the Wight Aviation Museum
http://www.wightaviationmuseum.org.uk/

Cheers

Brian


On Mon, 4 Mar 2019 at 11:51, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
wrote:

> Tesco's sparkling wine - specially named in honour of BBC Pensioners.
> (No, it doesn't say Prosecco, as I realised when I put my specs on!)
>
> [image: Inline image]
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From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com  Mon Mar  4 07:52:12 2019
From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray)
Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2019 13:52:12 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] 2001
Message-ID: <e6707e33-04b1-9b29-16c1-fb2b03434175@gmail.com>




A real frame of 2001? !!? ??




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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Tue Mar  5 12:45:38 2019
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2019 18:45:38 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Norman Greaves
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Norman was good to me when I was attached to him for SS training.
Gave me a few Blue Peters to balance ? tricky show, worse than a scripted drama!
Nick?s story of Len?s generosity is lovely, and must have helped N with the future recordings for ?Music in Time? (C4) 
Adrian (Yogi) Stocks let me balance Billy Cotton?s band on the band call once, and I don?t think much was changed for the transmission.
It?s a shame that the ?office? didn?t always back up their staff. Bit of ?wiping it off the shoulder??

Nick ? There are more than 3 people who would turn up for you, me for one, so need a couple more!
Dave, Bob and I travelled to Portishead (Bristol) for Pete Rose?s funeral, and the place was packed, we were in an overflow hall with a video/audio feed. No-one from Antiques Road Show, I think, pity, as he had been their sound supervisor for many episodes.

Regards
Pat

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Nick Ware via Tech1
Sent: 28 February 2019 19:10
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Norman Greaves

Hah, I?m only expecting about three people to turn up for my funeral! I was recently amazed at a funeral for a friend (no not him), a chap who had been a chorister at Guildford Cathedral, and then as an adult was for many years an estate agent here in Guildford. He died tragically young, and had obviously made a lot of friends along the way, because the cathedral was full. 1700 in the congregation, and the choirstalls bursting at the seams.
I don?t even know 1700 people! 
BTW, I was quite fond of Norman Greaves too. Always a pleasure to work with.
Nick.
Sent from my iPad

On 28 Feb 2019, at 18:50, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
The root of the problem was a show which there was a VT sound problem and Norman got no backing from Sam and ended up being blamed for the whole thing. He was a lovely man to work for and I was very sad when I went to his funeral as there was only a very small contingent of BBC people there. The pub had catered for many more than turned up so some people took away trays of food, no names, no pack-drill! Cheers, Dave

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From mibridge at mac.com  Tue Mar  5 16:37:56 2019
From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles)
Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2019 22:37:56 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Norman Greaves
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Likewise, Norman was sweetness personified when I was attached to him on my Sound Training Course, but he was also very honest when he assessed one?s performance. I often recalled his advice after I?d got the job. 

Indeed, all the SS?s I was attached to were very friendly and free in sharing their expertise. This quite surprised me, because I thought an oik from the sticks would be regarded with suspicion and kept at arms length. I should go even further to say that I could not have been treated better by the whole of the sound section - all the more surprising when you consider that this (then) young whippersnapper was going to pinch one of the jobs that had been denied to some very worthy candidates over very many years. I can honestly say that I never experienced any rancour, only extremely friendly professionalism and a lot of help from the many individuals who could have made life quite difficult for a newcomer if they?d had a mind to. Genuine teamwork - but that?s another thread - anyone remember the team building farces we went to at White City? Eggs come to mind. 

I remain convinced that the BBC never realised the value of its staff in promoting its reputation and maintaining standards that are often lacking today. Almost anywhere you went, mentioning the BBC would open doors - I wonder if that holds good nowadays. 

Mike G

> On 5 Mar 2019, at 18:45, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Norman was good to me when I was attached to him for SS training.
> Gave me a few Blue Peters to balance ? tricky show, worse than a scripted drama!
> Nick?s story of Len?s generosity is lovely, and must have helped N with the future recordings for ?Music in Time? (C4)
> Adrian (Yogi) Stocks let me balance Billy Cotton?s band on the band call once, and I don?t think much was changed for the transmission.
> It?s a shame that the ?office? didn?t always back up their staff. Bit of ?wiping it off the shoulder??
>  
> Nick ? There are more than 3 people who would turn up for you, me for one, so need a couple more!
> Dave, Bob and I travelled to Portishead (Bristol) for Pete Rose?s funeral, and the place was packed, we were in an overflow hall with a video/audio feed. No-one from Antiques Road Show, I think, pity, as he had been their sound supervisor for many episodes.
>  
> Regards
> Pat
>  
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>  
> From: Nick Ware via Tech1
> Sent: 28 February 2019 19:10
> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Norman Greaves
>  
> Hah, I?m only expecting about three people to turn up for my funeral! I was recently amazed at a funeral for a friend (no not him), a chap who had been a chorister at Guildford Cathedral, and then as an adult was for many years an estate agent here in Guildford. He died tragically young, and had obviously made a lot of friends along the way, because the cathedral was full. 1700 in the congregation, and the choirstalls bursting at the seams.
> I don?t even know 1700 people!
> BTW, I was quite fond of Norman Greaves too. Always a pleasure to work with.
> Nick.
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> On 28 Feb 2019, at 18:50, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> The root of the problem was a show which there was a VT sound problem and Norman got no backing from Sam and ended up being blamed for the whole thing. He was a lovely man to work for and I was very sad when I went to his funeral as there was only a very small contingent of BBC people there. The pub had catered for many more than turned up so some people took away trays of food, no names, no pack-drill! Cheers, Dave
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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Tue Mar  5 17:42:59 2019
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2019 23:42:59 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Peter Rose
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Peter was promoted to Sound Supervisor during his Sound Training Course 
after I had told him that the advert was on the noticeboard. Ever after 
that I teased him by saying that an applicant should have completed the 
Sound Training Course before applying, and he always responded by saying 
that the advert didn't say 'must' have completed the course! Anyway, he 
went on to great things so the board system worked. Attached is a 
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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Tue Mar  5 18:10:17 2019
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2019 00:10:17 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Norman Greaves
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I am trying to find details of Norman's funeral on my many photo CDs! I 
know that I took a picture of his 'memory board' and when I find it I 
will let you see it. His two daughters requested that the funeral was a 
celebration of his life and so black tie etc. was off the menu! They 
turned up in very glamourous clothes with feather boas. You mentioned 
Michelle, I used to meet her at the Proms when she was working on the 
Teleprompt (Autocue?) equipment. Her older sister, Diane, was a dancer 
on cruise ships as well as being a model. Norman, being an excellent 
photographer, had produced her portfolio, and showed it to me. If you 
'Google' Diane Greaves you will find that she has hundreds of screen 
credits for 'Foley' work in the film industry ( I think Michelle also 
joined her in that work). Norman, of course, went onto running the 
'Boogie Bus' disco  after he had retired! He must have been the oldest 
DJ in the world! Cheers, Dave



From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Wed Mar  6 12:28:13 2019
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2019 18:28:13 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Miss Greaves.
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Lucky you, Barry! It's nice to know that you are still with us! I 
haven't heard anything since you went into hospital! Cheers, Dave.


From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com  Fri Mar  8 01:59:14 2019
From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray)
Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2019 07:59:14 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] BBC Jargon
Message-ID: <00a8f011-9905-adce-b164-47c1b3f1d58d@gmail.com>

Hi all,

Some time back, we collected a list of BBC acronyms - there were more 
than 180 of them (and probably still counting!)

I wonder if we could do something similar for BBC Jargon:

"Tweak it up a gnat's" immediately comes to mind:

Tweaker = an implement, probably a small screwdriver, to twist or adjust 
a control.

Gnat's = a gnat's whisker = a very small amount (but we all could judge 
a gnat's, couldn't we?)


This thought came about 'cos of the email shown below that came my way: 
isn't etymology fun, no wonder Susie Dent looks a happy bunny (!)

So, over to you guys!!?? (terms and meanings, please!).

--------


*Some interesting historical facts*

There is an old Hotel/Pub in Marble Arch, London , which used to have a 
gallows adjacent to it. Prisoners were taken to the gallows (after a? 
fair trial of course) to be hanged.

The horse-drawn dray, carting the prisoner, was accompanied by an armed 
guard, who would stop the dray outside the pub and ask the? prisoner if 
he would like ''ONE LAST DRINK''.

If he said YES, it was referred to as ONE FOR THE ROAD. If he declined, 
that prisoner was ON THE WAGON.

So there you go.. More bleeding history. They used to use urine to tan 
animal skins, so families used to all pee in a pot and then once a
day it was taken and sold to the tannery. If you had to do this to 
survive you were "piss poor", but worse than that were the really poor 
folk, who couldn't even afford to buy a pot, they "Didn't have a pot to 
piss in" and were the lowest of the low.


Here are some facts about the 1500s:

Most people got married in June, because they took their yearly bath in 
May and they still smelled pretty good by June. However, since they were 
starting to smell, brides carried a bouquet of flowers to hide the body 
odour. Hence the custom today of carrying a bouquet when getting married.

Baths consisted of a big tub filled with hot water. The man of the house 
had the privilege of the nice clean water, then all the other sons and 
men, then the women and finally the children. Last of all the babies. By 
then the water was so dirty you could actually lose someone in it. Hence 
the saying, "Don't throw the baby out with the bath water!"

Houses had thatched roofs, thick straw piled high, with no wood 
underneath. It was the only place for animals to get warm, so all the 
cats and other small animals (mice, bugs) lived in the roof. When it 
rained it became slippery and sometimes the animals would slip and fall 
off the roof. Hence the saying "It's raining cats and dogs."

There was nothing to stop things from falling into the house. This posed 
a real problem in the bedroom, where bugs and other droppings could mess 
up your nice clean bed. Hence, a bed with big posts and a sheet hung 
over the top afforded some protection. That's how canopy beds came into 
existence.

The floor was dirt. Only the wealthy had something other than dirt. 
Hence the saying, "dirt poor." The wealthy had slate floors that would 
get slippery in the winter when wet, so they spread thresh (straw) on 
floor to help keep their footing. As the winter wore on they added more 
thresh until, when you opened the door, it would all start slipping 
outside. A piece of wood was placed in the entrance-way. Hence: a thresh 
hold.

In those old days, they cooked in the kitchen with a big kettle that 
always hung over the fire. Every day they lit the fire and added things 
to the pot. They ate mostly vegetables and did not get much meat. They 
would eat the stew for dinner, leaving leftovers in the pot to get cold 
overnight, then start over the next day. Sometimes stew had food in it 
that had been there for quite a while. Hence the rhyme:

''Peas porridge hot,
peas porridge cold,
peas porridge in the pot,
nine days old''.

Sometimes they could obtain pork, which made them feel quite special. 
When visitors came over they would hang up their bacon, to show off. It 
was a sign of wealth that a man could, "Bring home the bacon." They 
would cut off a little to share with guests and would all sit around 
talking and ''chew the fat''.

Those with money had plates made of pewter. Food with high acid content 
caused some of the lead to leach onto the food, causing lead
poisoning and death. This happened most often with tomatoes, so for the 
next 400 years or so, tomatoes were considered poisonous.

Bread was divided according to status. Workers got the burnt bottom of 
the loaf, the family got the middle, and guests got the top, or? ''The 
Upper Crust''

Lead cups were used to drink ale or whiskey. The combination would 
sometimes knock the imbibers out for a couple of days. Someone walking 
along the road would take them for dead and prepare them for burial. 
They were laid out on the kitchen table for a couple of days and the 
family would gather around and eat and drink and wait and see if they 
would wake up. Hence the custom of ''Holding a Wake''.

England is old and small and the local folks started running out of 
places to bury people, so they would dig up coffins and would take the
bones to a bone-house (or burn them in a bone-fire (bonfire)) and reuse 
the grave. When reopening these coffins, 1 out of 25 coffins were found 
to have scratch marks on the inside and they realised they had been 
burying people alive. So they would tie a string on the wrist of the 
corpse, thread it through the coffin and up through the ground and tie 
it to a bell. Someone would have to sit out in the graveyard all night 
(the graveyard shift) to listen for the bell; thus someone could be, 
''Saved by the Bell '' or was considered a ''Dead Ringer''


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From geoffletch at gmail.com  Fri Mar  8 08:57:58 2019
From: geoffletch at gmail.com (Geoff Fletcher)
Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2019 14:57:58 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] BBC Jargon
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?Trickle in on him!? - Very slowctrack or zoom in.
Geoff F

On Fri, 8 Mar 2019 at 07:59, Alec Bray via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> Some time back, we collected a list of BBC acronyms - there were more than
> 180 of them (and probably still counting!)
>
> I wonder if we could do something similar for BBC Jargon:
>
> "Tweak it up a gnat's" immediately comes to mind:
>
> Tweaker = an implement, probably a small screwdriver, to twist or adjust a
> control.
>
> Gnat's = a gnat's whisker = a very small amount (but we all could judge a
> gnat's, couldn't we?)
>
>
> This thought came about 'cos of the email shown below that came my way:
> isn't etymology fun, no wonder Susie Dent looks a happy bunny (!)
>
> So, over to you guys!!   (terms and meanings, please!).
>
> --------
>
>
> *Some interesting historical facts*
>
> There is an old Hotel/Pub in Marble Arch, London , which used to have a
> gallows adjacent to it. Prisoners were taken to the gallows (after a  fair
> trial of course) to be hanged.
>
> The horse-drawn dray, carting the prisoner, was accompanied by an armed
> guard, who would stop the dray outside the pub and ask the  prisoner if he
> would like ''ONE LAST DRINK''.
>
> If he said YES, it was referred to as ONE FOR THE ROAD. If he declined,
> that prisoner was ON THE WAGON.
>
> So there you go.. More bleeding history. They used to use urine to tan
> animal skins, so families used to all pee in a pot and then once a
> day it was taken and sold to the tannery. If you had to do this to survive
> you were "piss poor", but worse than that were the really poor folk, who
> couldn't even afford to buy a pot, they "Didn't have a pot to piss in" and
> were the lowest of the low.
>
>
> Here are some facts about the 1500s:
>
> Most people got married in June, because they took their yearly bath in
> May and they still smelled pretty good by June. However, since they were
> starting to smell, brides carried a bouquet of flowers to hide the body
> odour. Hence the custom today of carrying a bouquet when getting married.
>
> Baths consisted of a big tub filled with hot water. The man of the house
> had the privilege of the nice clean water, then all the other sons and men,
> then the women and finally the children. Last of all the babies. By then
> the water was so dirty you could actually lose someone in it. Hence the
> saying, "Don't throw the baby out with the bath water!"
>
> Houses had thatched roofs, thick straw piled high, with no wood
> underneath. It was the only place for animals to get warm, so all the cats
> and other small animals (mice, bugs) lived in the roof. When it rained it
> became slippery and sometimes the animals would slip and fall off the roof.
> Hence the saying "It's raining cats and dogs."
>
> There was nothing to stop things from falling into the house. This posed a
> real problem in the bedroom, where bugs and other droppings could mess up
> your nice clean bed. Hence, a bed with big posts and a sheet hung over the
> top afforded some protection. That's how canopy beds came into existence.
>
> The floor was dirt. Only the wealthy had something other than dirt. Hence
> the saying, "dirt poor." The wealthy had slate floors that would get
> slippery in the winter when wet, so they spread thresh (straw) on floor to
> help keep their footing. As the winter wore on they added more thresh
> until, when you opened the door, it would all start slipping outside. A
> piece of wood was placed in the entrance-way. Hence: a thresh hold.
>
> In those old days, they cooked in the kitchen with a big kettle that
> always hung over the fire. Every day they lit the fire and added things to
> the pot. They ate mostly vegetables and did not get much meat. They would
> eat the stew for dinner, leaving leftovers in the pot to get cold
> overnight, then start over the next day. Sometimes stew had food in it that
> had been there for quite a while. Hence the rhyme:
>
> ''Peas porridge hot,
> peas porridge cold,
> peas porridge in the pot,
> nine days old''.
>
> Sometimes they could obtain pork, which made them feel quite special. When
> visitors came over they would hang up their bacon, to show off. It was a
> sign of wealth that a man could, "Bring home the bacon." They would cut off
> a little to share with guests and would all sit around talking and ''chew
> the fat''.
>
> Those with money had plates made of pewter. Food with high acid content
> caused some of the lead to leach onto the food, causing lead
> poisoning and death. This happened most often with tomatoes, so for the
> next 400 years or so, tomatoes were considered poisonous.
>
> Bread was divided according to status. Workers got the burnt bottom of the
> loaf, the family got the middle, and guests got the top, or  ''The Upper
> Crust''
>
> Lead cups were used to drink ale or whiskey. The combination would
> sometimes knock the imbibers out for a couple of days. Someone walking
> along the road would take them for dead and prepare them for burial. They
> were laid out on the kitchen table for a couple of days and the family
> would gather around and eat and drink and wait and see if they would wake
> up. Hence the custom of ''Holding a Wake''.
>
> England is old and small and the local folks started running out of places
> to bury people, so they would dig up coffins and would take the
> bones to a bone-house (or burn them in a bone-fire (bonfire)) and reuse
> the grave. When reopening these coffins, 1 out of 25 coffins were found to
> have scratch marks on the inside and they realised they had been burying
> people alive. So they would tie a string on the wrist of the corpse, thread
> it through the coffin and up through the ground and tie it to a bell.
> Someone would have to sit out in the graveyard all night (the graveyard
> shift) to listen for the bell; thus someone could be, ''Saved by the Bell
> '' or was considered a ''Dead Ringer''
>
>
> --
>
> Best Regards
>
> Alec
>
> Alec Bray
> alec.bray.2 at gmail.com
> mob:    07789 561 346
> home:   0118 981 7502
>
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From johna.bennett at talktalk.net  Fri Mar  8 09:22:42 2019
From: johna.bennett at talktalk.net (John Bennett)
Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2019 15:22:42 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] BBC Jargon
In-Reply-To: <CAB99AB-ggMsN6Ckuvx+TgFSfmZV+koiv2ARNG7WNqYPw6CVVfA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <00a8f011-9905-adce-b164-47c1b3f1d58d@gmail.com>
	<CAB99AB-ggMsN6Ckuvx+TgFSfmZV+koiv2ARNG7WNqYPw6CVVfA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ac1a7186-6404-eee3-302f-3ac5eca91b44@talktalk.net>

"Zoom in Telecine" - In the 70s a very stupid Director, but you can 
probably do it now!

On 08/03/2019 14:57, Geoff Fletcher via Tech1 wrote:
> ?Trickle in on him!? - Very slowctrack or zoom in.
> Geoff F
>
> On Fri, 8 Mar 2019 at 07:59, Alec Bray via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk 
> <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:
>
>     Hi all,
>
>     Some time back, we collected a list of BBC acronyms - there were
>     more than 180 of them (and probably still counting!)
>
>     I wonder if we could do something similar for BBC Jargon:
>
>     "Tweak it up a gnat's" immediately comes to mind:
>
>     Tweaker = an implement, probably a small screwdriver, to twist or
>     adjust a control.
>
>     Gnat's = a gnat's whisker = a very small amount (but we all could
>     judge a gnat's, couldn't we?)
>
>
>     This thought came about 'cos of the email shown below that came my
>     way: isn't etymology fun, no wonder Susie Dent looks a happy bunny (!)
>
>     So, over to you guys!!?? (terms and meanings, please!).
>
>     --------
>
>
-- 
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07768 527518



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From waresound at msn.com  Fri Mar  8 12:03:06 2019
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2019 18:03:06 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] BBC Jargon
In-Reply-To: <ac1a7186-6404-eee3-302f-3ac5eca91b44@talktalk.net>
References: <00a8f011-9905-adce-b164-47c1b3f1d58d@gmail.com>
	<CAB99AB-ggMsN6Ckuvx+TgFSfmZV+koiv2ARNG7WNqYPw6CVVfA@mail.gmail.com>,
	<ac1a7186-6404-eee3-302f-3ac5eca91b44@talktalk.net>
Message-ID: <VI1P192MB027157DC8CB829598F3CAF00A74D0@VI1P192MB0271.EURP192.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

I?ve got one for you:
?Lift the boom and cut to the wide?.
I never heard that anywhere else. Everywhere else it was:
?Cut to three - oh shit, the bloody boom?s in shot!?
Best,
Nick.
Sent from my iPad

On 8 Mar 2019, at 15:23, John Bennett via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk<mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:


"Zoom in Telecine" - In the 70s a very stupid Director, but you can probably do it now!

On 08/03/2019 14:57, Geoff Fletcher via Tech1 wrote:
?Trickle in on him!? - Very slowctrack or zoom in.
Geoff F

On Fri, 8 Mar 2019 at 07:59, Alec Bray via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk<mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:

Hi all,

Some time back, we collected a list of BBC acronyms - there were more than 180 of them (and probably still counting!)

I wonder if we could do something similar for BBC Jargon:

"Tweak it up a gnat's" immediately comes to mind:

Tweaker = an implement, probably a small screwdriver, to twist or adjust a control.

Gnat's = a gnat's whisker = a very small amount (but we all could judge a gnat's, couldn't we?)


This thought came about 'cos of the email shown below that came my way: isn't etymology fun, no wonder Susie Dent looks a happy bunny (!)

So, over to you guys!!   (terms and meanings, please!).

--------


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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Fri Mar  8 13:33:15 2019
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2019 19:33:15 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] GPS upcoming problem!
Message-ID: <5ed79641-53b0-3966-31b0-d7f5c56c1d5b@btinternet.com>

Attached is the info. from PocketGPSWorld (where you can subscribe and 
get all of the traffic cam updates etc.) Cheers, Dave
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From rogerbunce at btinternet.com  Fri Mar  8 13:46:48 2019
From: rogerbunce at btinternet.com (ROGER BUNCE)
Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2019 19:46:48 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tech1] BBC Jargon
In-Reply-To: <VI1P192MB027157DC8CB829598F3CAF00A74D0@VI1P192MB0271.EURP192.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
References: <00a8f011-9905-adce-b164-47c1b3f1d58d@gmail.com>
	<CAB99AB-ggMsN6Ckuvx+TgFSfmZV+koiv2ARNG7WNqYPw6CVVfA@mail.gmail.com>
	<ac1a7186-6404-eee3-302f-3ac5eca91b44@talktalk.net>
	<VI1P192MB027157DC8CB829598F3CAF00A74D0@VI1P192MB0271.EURP192.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
Message-ID: <617861265.2955651.1552074409008@mail.yahoo.com>

 Some "Foreground Dingle", often de-focussed, was always useful, to add a bit of depth and parallax to a crabbing shot. Never sure why it was called 'Dingle', although it was often of a dangly nature.
luv, Rog.

    On Friday, 8 March 2019, 18:03:38 GMT, Nick Ware via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:  
 
 I?ve got one for you:?Lift the boom and cut to the wide?.I never heard that anywhere else. Everywhere else it was:?Cut to three - oh shit, the bloody boom?s in shot!?Best,Nick.
Sent from my iPad

On 8 Mar 2019, at 15:23, John Bennett via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:



"Zoom in Telecine" - In the 70s a very stupid Director, but you can probably do it now!

On 08/03/2019 14:57, Geoff Fletcher via Tech1 wrote:

?Trickle in on him!? - Very slowctrack or zoom in.Geoff F
On Fri, 8 Mar 2019 at 07:59, Alec Bray via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:


Hi all,

Some time back, we collected a list of BBC acronyms - there were more than 180 of them (and probably still counting!)

I wonder if we could do something similar for BBC Jargon:

"Tweak it up a gnat's" immediately comes to mind:

Tweaker = an implement, probably a small screwdriver, to twist or adjust a control.

Gnat's = a gnat's whisker = a very small amount (but we all could judge a gnat's, couldn't we?)





This thought came about 'cos of the email shown below that came my way: isn't etymology fun, no wonder Susie Dent looks a happy bunny (!)


So, over to you guys!!?? (terms and meanings, please!).


--------




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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Fri Mar  8 13:54:30 2019
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2019 19:54:30 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] BBC Jargon
In-Reply-To: <CAB99AB-ggMsN6Ckuvx+TgFSfmZV+koiv2ARNG7WNqYPw6CVVfA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <00a8f011-9905-adce-b164-47c1b3f1d58d@gmail.com>
	<CAB99AB-ggMsN6Ckuvx+TgFSfmZV+koiv2ARNG7WNqYPw6CVVfA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000bbbda-2670-7198-2960-5c943c217c25@btinternet.com>

Just wondering if anyone has ever seen a 'Happy Bunny'! Cheers, Dave


From gary_critcher at yahoo.com  Sat Mar  9 04:11:08 2019
From: gary_critcher at yahoo.com (Gary Critcher)
Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2019 10:11:08 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tech1] a plea---this afternoon...on the radio.
References: <972797167.3187778.1552126268722.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <972797167.3187778.1552126268722@mail.yahoo.com>

Lads, could anyone help me here?? around about 3.30 this afternoon I'm going to be on Brooklands Radio for about 15 minutes talking about my recently published book.Is there any way any of you might be able to record it for me?There is an online listen capability here;?Brooklands Radio - Live Player

| 
| 
|  | 
Brooklands Radio - Live Player

David Jemitus

Listen Live Player
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 |

 |




?But I personally have no way of setting up a recording, might someone on here be able to do so then transfer it to a CD for me?
Any help would be gratefully received.
? all the best.? Gary C


PS, oh, the book is here if anyone is interested; Shutter and Speed

| 
| 
| 
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'Shutter and Speed' - a book of iconic motorsport photographs.
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From barrybonner119 at btinternet.com  Sat Mar  9 05:22:05 2019
From: barrybonner119 at btinternet.com (Barry Bonner)
Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2019 11:22:05 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] BBC Jargon
In-Reply-To: <617861265.2955651.1552074409008@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <00a8f011-9905-adce-b164-47c1b3f1d58d@gmail.com>
	<CAB99AB-ggMsN6Ckuvx+TgFSfmZV+koiv2ARNG7WNqYPw6CVVfA@mail.gmail.com>
	<ac1a7186-6404-eee3-302f-3ac5eca91b44@talktalk.net>
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	<617861265.2955651.1552074409008@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <35950589-B6A1-4EFC-8D78-DD42BF378AC4@btinternet.com>

Peter Hammond comes to mind!
Barry.



On 8 Mar 2019, at 19:46, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

> Some "Foreground Dingle", often de-focussed, was always useful, to add a bit of depth and parallax to a crabbing shot. Never sure why it was called 'Dingle', although it was often of a dangly nature.
> 
> luv, Rog.
> 
> 
> On Friday, 8 March 2019, 18:03:38 GMT, Nick Ware via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> 
> I?ve got one for you:
> ?Lift the boom and cut to the wide?.
> I never heard that anywhere else. Everywhere else it was:
> ?Cut to three - oh shit, the bloody boom?s in shot!?
> Best,
> Nick.
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> On 8 Mar 2019, at 15:23, John Bennett via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
>> "Zoom in Telecine" - In the 70s a very stupid Director, but you can probably do it now!
>> On 08/03/2019 14:57, Geoff Fletcher via Tech1 wrote:
>>> ?Trickle in on him!? - Very slowctrack or zoom in.
>>> Geoff F
>>> 
>>> On Fri, 8 Mar 2019 at 07:59, Alec Bray via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> Some time back, we collected a list of BBC acronyms - there were more than 180 of them (and probably still counting!)
>>> 
>>> I wonder if we could do something similar for BBC Jargon:
>>> 
>>> "Tweak it up a gnat's" immediately comes to mind:
>>> 
>>> Tweaker = an implement, probably a small screwdriver, to twist or adjust a control.
>>> 
>>> Gnat's = a gnat's whisker = a very small amount (but we all could judge a gnat's, couldn't we?)
>>> 
>>> This thought came about 'cos of the email shown below that came my way: isn't etymology fun, no wonder Susie Dent looks a happy bunny (!)
>>> So, over to you guys!!   (terms and meanings, please!).
>>> --------
>>> 
>> -- 
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>> 07768 527518
>> 
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From j at howell61.f9.co.uk  Sat Mar  9 06:19:48 2019
From: j at howell61.f9.co.uk (John Howell)
Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2019 12:19:48 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] a plea---this afternoon...on the radio.
In-Reply-To: <972797167.3187778.1552126268722@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <972797167.3187778.1552126268722.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<972797167.3187778.1552126268722@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <65efae20-a0ce-5cf9-f2c4-e4c77b326fa6@howell61.f9.co.uk>

Hi Gary,

Having found Brooklands Radio I'll have a go for you!

John H.

On 09/03/2019 10:11, Gary Critcher via Tech1 wrote:
> Lads, could anyone help me here?
> ? around about 3.30 this afternoon I'm going to be on Brooklands Radio 
> for about 15 minutes talking about my recently published book.
> Is there any way any of you might be able to record it for me?
> There is an online listen capability here;
> Brooklands Radio - Live Player 
> <https://www.brooklandsradio.co.uk/liveplayer.html?fbclid=IwAR1EfLnwRoOfUpwZjvfuFfV86jk0aRqGjcbBNPIi9c5911vDJnWJipxMseQ>
>
>
> 	
>
>
>     Brooklands Radio - Live Player
>
> David Jemitus
>
> Listen Live Player
>
> <https://www.brooklandsradio.co.uk/liveplayer.html?fbclid=IwAR1EfLnwRoOfUpwZjvfuFfV86jk0aRqGjcbBNPIi9c5911vDJnWJipxMseQ> 
>
>
>
>
> ?But I personally have no way of setting up a recording, might someone 
> on here be able to do so then transfer it to a CD for me?
> Any help would be gratefully received.
>
> ? all the best.
> ? Gary C
>
>
>
> PS, oh, the book is here if anyone is interested; Shutter and Speed 
> <http://www.shutterandspeed.com>
>
>
> 	
>
>
> 	
>
>
>     Shutter and Speed
>
> 'Shutter and Speed' - a book of iconic motorsport photographs.
>
> <http://www.shutterandspeed.com>
>
>
>
>
>
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From dave at davesound.co.uk  Sat Mar  9 06:22:53 2019
From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman)
Date: Sat, 09 Mar 2019 12:22:53 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Tech1] BBC Jargon
In-Reply-To: <ac1a7186-6404-eee3-302f-3ac5eca91b44@talktalk.net>
References: <00a8f011-9905-adce-b164-47c1b3f1d58d@gmail.com>
	<CAB99AB-ggMsN6Ckuvx+TgFSfmZV+koiv2ARNG7WNqYPw6CVVfA@mail.gmail.com>
	<ac1a7186-6404-eee3-302f-3ac5eca91b44@talktalk.net>
Message-ID: <57920a3567dave@davesound.co.uk>

In article <ac1a7186-6404-eee3-302f-3ac5eca91b44 at talktalk.net>,
   John Bennett via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> "Zoom in Telecine" - In the 70s a very stupid Director, but you can 
> probably do it now!

That's a new version. In my day, it was track in, TK.

-- 
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    Dave Plowman     dave at davesound.co.uk     London SW 12
    


From hughsheppard at btinternet.com  Sat Mar  9 07:35:24 2019
From: hughsheppard at btinternet.com (Hugh Sheppard)
Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2019 13:35:24 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] BBC Jargon
In-Reply-To: <57920a3567dave@davesound.co.uk>
References: <00a8f011-9905-adce-b164-47c1b3f1d58d@gmail.com>
	<CAB99AB-ggMsN6Ckuvx+TgFSfmZV+koiv2ARNG7WNqYPw6CVVfA@mail.gmail.com>
	<ac1a7186-6404-eee3-302f-3ac5eca91b44@talktalk.net>
	<57920a3567dave@davesound.co.uk>
Message-ID: <50ba9eeb-2021-bbb0-4665-043ca372e149@btinternet.com>

Dick Francis, when new to the BBC, directing one afternoon in Riverside 
1 to Bill Millar on Camera 1: '/Can I have a bigger picture please/'.? 
He got a BCU of the interviewer's nose.

Hugh

On 09-Mar-19 12:22 PM, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote:
> In article <ac1a7186-6404-eee3-302f-3ac5eca91b44 at talktalk.net>,
>     John Bennett via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> "Zoom in Telecine" - In the 70s a very stupid Director, but you can
>> probably do it now!
> That's a new version. In my day, it was track in, TK.
>
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From rogerbunce at btinternet.com  Sat Mar  9 08:16:17 2019
From: rogerbunce at btinternet.com (ROGER BUNCE)
Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2019 14:16:17 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tech1] BBC Jargon
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 More Jargon -
At one point it was fashionable for programmes to end with a 'Crawler' (not to be confused with a Creeper), accompanied by a 'Tinkle Track' i.e. the credits crawled sideways across the bottom of the screen, accompanied by a piece of half-faded, underscored, 'Tinkly' music.
My favourite directorial remark - a trainee Director in Pres. A - we'd managed to steer him through rehearsals, but he fell apart when we tried to record. His excuse - "I was put off by that red light. It wasn't there on rehearsals!"
luv, Rog.

    On Saturday, 9 March 2019, 13:37:21 GMT, Hugh Sheppard via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:  
 
  
Dick Francis, when new to the BBC, directing one afternoon in Riverside 1 to Bill Millar on Camera 1: 'Can I have a bigger picture please'.? He got a BCU of the interviewer's nose.
 
Hugh
 
 On 09-Mar-19 12:22 PM, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote:
  
 In article <ac1a7186-6404-eee3-302f-3ac5eca91b44 at talktalk.net>,
   John Bennett via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
 
 "Zoom in Telecine" - In the 70s a very stupid Director, but you can 
probably do it now!
 
 That's a new version. In my day, it was track in, TK.

 
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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Sat Mar  9 08:29:23 2019
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2019 21:29:23 +0700
Subject: [Tech1] BBC Jargon
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Stewart Morris used to say zoom in TK, and one day they did, which rather
amazed him

On Sat, 9 Mar 2019, 21:17 ROGER BUNCE via Tech1, <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
wrote:

> More Jargon -
>
> At one point it was fashionable for programmes to end with a 'Crawler'
> (not to be confused with a Creeper), accompanied by a 'Tinkle Track' i.e.
> the credits crawled sideways across the bottom of the screen, accompanied
> by a piece of half-faded, underscored, 'Tinkly' music.
>
> My favourite directorial remark - a trainee Director in Pres. A - we'd
> managed to steer him through rehearsals, but he fell apart when we tried to
> record. His excuse - "I was put off by that red light. It wasn't there on
> rehearsals!"
>
> luv, Rog.
>
>
> On Saturday, 9 March 2019, 13:37:21 GMT, Hugh Sheppard via Tech1 <
> tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>
>
> Dick Francis, when new to the BBC, directing one afternoon in Riverside 1
> to Bill Millar on Camera 1: '*Can I have a bigger picture please*'.  He
> got a BCU of the interviewer's nose.
>
> Hugh
> On 09-Mar-19 12:22 PM, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote:
>
> In article <ac1a7186-6404-eee3-302f-3ac5eca91b44 at talktalk.net> <ac1a7186-6404-eee3-302f-3ac5eca91b44 at talktalk.net>,
>    John Bennett via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>
> "Zoom in Telecine" - In the 70s a very stupid Director, but you can
> probably do it now!
>
> That's a new version. In my day, it was track in, TK.
>
>
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From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com  Sat Mar  9 08:35:13 2019
From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray)
Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2019 14:35:13 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] BBC Jargon
In-Reply-To: <CAA7MLyFRBFgVijzeXcCxqXR5nRWd_5ov2if3bVKS6yO=yA=2UA@mail.gmail.com>
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Hi
Chris Cole, ex TK and member of my model engineers club, developed the
Pan'n'Scan for wide screen films on TK. Thought it could also zoom. Haven't
seen him for months, he DID say he'd write it up for us.
BR
Alec

sent from my mobile phone. Apologies for any strange autocorrections.

On Sat, 9 Mar 2019, 14:29 Bernard Newnham via Tech1, <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
wrote:

> Stewart Morris used to say zoom in TK, and one day they did, which rather
> amazed him
>
> On Sat, 9 Mar 2019, 21:17 ROGER BUNCE via Tech1, <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
>> More Jargon -
>>
>> At one point it was fashionable for programmes to end with a 'Crawler'
>> (not to be confused with a Creeper), accompanied by a 'Tinkle Track' i.e.
>> the credits crawled sideways across the bottom of the screen, accompanied
>> by a piece of half-faded, underscored, 'Tinkly' music.
>>
>> My favourite directorial remark - a trainee Director in Pres. A - we'd
>> managed to steer him through rehearsals, but he fell apart when we tried to
>> record. His excuse - "I was put off by that red light. It wasn't there on
>> rehearsals!"
>>
>> luv, Rog.
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, 9 March 2019, 13:37:21 GMT, Hugh Sheppard via Tech1 <
>> tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Dick Francis, when new to the BBC, directing one afternoon in Riverside 1
>> to Bill Millar on Camera 1: '*Can I have a bigger picture please*'.  He
>> got a BCU of the interviewer's nose.
>>
>> Hugh
>> On 09-Mar-19 12:22 PM, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote:
>>
>> In article <ac1a7186-6404-eee3-302f-3ac5eca91b44 at talktalk.net> <ac1a7186-6404-eee3-302f-3ac5eca91b44 at talktalk.net>,
>>    John Bennett via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> "Zoom in Telecine" - In the 70s a very stupid Director, but you can
>> probably do it now!
>>
>> That's a new version. In my day, it was track in, TK.
>>
>>
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From alawrance1 at me.com  Sat Mar  9 09:13:46 2019
From: alawrance1 at me.com (Alasdair Lawrance)
Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2019 15:13:46 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] BBC Jargon
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An engineer in Cardiff was explaining a sep-mag TK to a group of new production persons.

One of them asked - ? If the picture is made there, (pointing at the gate), and the sound comes from there, (pointing at the sound head), how does it come out at the same time?

?Because light travels faster than sound, of course!?


Alasdair Lawrance
alawrance1 at me.com






> On 9 Mar 2019, at 14:16, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> More Jargon -
> 
> At one point it was fashionable for programmes to end with a 'Crawler' (not to be confused with a Creeper), accompanied by a 'Tinkle Track' i.e. the credits crawled sideways across the bottom of the screen, accompanied by a piece of half-faded, underscored, 'Tinkly' music.
> 
> My favourite directorial remark - a trainee Director in Pres. A - we'd managed to steer him through rehearsals, but he fell apart when we tried to record. His excuse - "I was put off by that red light. It wasn't there on rehearsals!"
> 
> luv, Rog.
> 
> 
> On Saturday, 9 March 2019, 13:37:21 GMT, Hugh Sheppard via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> 
> Dick Francis, when new to the BBC, directing one afternoon in Riverside 1 to Bill Millar on Camera 1: 'Can I have a bigger picture please'.  He got a BCU of the interviewer's nose.
> 
> Hugh
> On 09-Mar-19 12:22 PM, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote:
>> In article <ac1a7186-6404-eee3-302f-3ac5eca91b44 at talktalk.net> <mailto:ac1a7186-6404-eee3-302f-3ac5eca91b44 at talktalk.net>,
>>    John Bennett via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> "Zoom in Telecine" - In the 70s a very stupid Director, but you can 
>>> probably do it now!
>> That's a new version. In my day, it was track in, TK.
>> 
> 
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From dave at davesound.co.uk  Sat Mar  9 09:51:36 2019
From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman)
Date: Sat, 09 Mar 2019 15:51:36 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Tech1] BBC Jargon
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In article <102AA423-FFAE-491E-9B1D-E633387A9A43 at me.com>,
   Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> An engineer in Cardiff was explaining a sep-mag TK to a group of new
> production persons.

> One of them asked - ? If the picture is made there, (pointing at the
> gate), and the sound comes from there, (pointing at the sound head), how
> does it come out at the same time?

> ?Because light travels faster than sound, of course!?

Always thought digital TV broke the laws of physics. Because when out of
sync here, it's usually the sound leading the picture. ;-)

-- 
*I'm pretty sure that sex is better than logic, but I can't prove it.

    Dave Plowman     dave at davesound.co.uk     London SW 12
    


From crew13 at vincent68.plus.com  Sun Mar 10 06:39:56 2019
From: crew13 at vincent68.plus.com (John Vincent)
Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2019 11:39:56 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] BBC Jargon
Message-ID: <87A8D1C8-7109-44D3-915D-B4AF9A662F03@vincent68.plus.com>

On a Top of the 'Pops' Director Arch Dyson said  "OK John, you've got 16 bars. Give it some bollocks".

I knew exactly what he wanted! 

John V

From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Sun Mar 10 17:37:55 2019
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2019 22:37:55 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Posh Pops
Message-ID: <1d6ef249-7e6a-50d3-52dd-e4f6f68c0acb@btinternet.com>

I have just been going though my collection of pops which have been 
orchestrated. My favourite has to be the Who's 'Tommy' with the LSO and 
the next is the great George Martin's Beatles collection called 'British 
Maid' or 'By George, it's British' depending which label it is sold 
under. I know many peeps don't like the modernisation of their tracks, 
but I like them, so there! Cheers, Dave


From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Sun Mar 10 19:46:37 2019
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2019 00:46:37 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Jacko
Message-ID: <e93edde7-00f2-3f20-0604-5e15cff3d8ed@btinternet.com>

When my little daughter went to ballet and tap classes her teacher asked 
me to add some more weird sound effects to the soundtrack to 'Thriller' 
for the kids to dance to. I oblidged, as you do! Now, having watched 
'Leaving Neverland' I feel so sad for the poor guy, in the first place 
as he never had a real childhood (and there are lots of stories about 
the abuse he suffered from his own father) so it's no wonder that he 
wanted to recreate a fun childhood for all the kids who visited 
'Neverland' and so he could never form an adult relationship in the 
normal way. A really sad story all round. At least he never killed 
anyone, unlike the knife wielding yobs today! Cheers, Dave


From bernie833 at gmail.com  Sun Mar 10 22:35:03 2019
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2019 10:35:03 +0700
Subject: [Tech1] Jacko
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References: <e93edde7-00f2-3f20-0604-5e15cff3d8ed@btinternet.com>
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When I worked Breakfast Time the lady who was the pop journalist was given
a preview copy of the Thriller video. We all watched several times, amazed.
I have a DVD here of all the Jacko videos, bought because they are so good.
But I tend to be embarrassed to say so or even watch them.
Greetings from Krabi
Bernie

On Mon, 11 Mar 2019, 07:47 dave.mdv via Tech1, <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

> When my little daughter went to ballet and tap classes her teacher asked
> me to add some more weird sound effects to the soundtrack to 'Thriller'
> for the kids to dance to. I oblidged, as you do! Now, having watched
> 'Leaving Neverland' I feel so sad for the poor guy, in the first place
> as he never had a real childhood (and there are lots of stories about
> the abuse he suffered from his own father) so it's no wonder that he
> wanted to recreate a fun childhood for all the kids who visited
> 'Neverland' and so he could never form an adult relationship in the
> normal way. A really sad story all round. At least he never killed
> anyone, unlike the knife wielding yobs today! Cheers, Dave
>
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From geoffreyhawkes at btinternet.com  Mon Mar 11 06:22:27 2019
From: geoffreyhawkes at btinternet.com (Geoff Hawkes)
Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2019 11:22:27 -0000
Subject: [Tech1] Old 8mm film - would it be any good and where could process
 it?
Message-ID: <00e101d4d7fc$b77956a0$266c03e0$@btinternet.com>

Dear All,

 

A young friend of mine who's studying photography and other things for 'A'
level has been given a couple of old 8mm cine cameras including a Bolex that
belonged to his late uncle. Along with them is some old 8mm film stock that
he'd like to try and use but is wondering whether it's likely to be any good
and where he could get it processed. 

 

He has 2 rolls of Kodachrome25 film (8mm x 7.5m), one of them expired in
February 1980 and the other in January 1981.

 

Any ideas - and is new 8mm film still available anywhere?

 

Geoff Hawkes

 

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From geoffreyhawkes at btinternet.com  Mon Mar 11 06:28:19 2019
From: geoffreyhawkes at btinternet.com (Geoff Hawkes)
Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2019 11:28:19 -0000
Subject: [Tech1] Old 8mm film - would it be any good and where could process
 it?
Message-ID: <000301d4d7fd$872e4040$958ac0c0$@btinternet.com>

Dear All,

 

A young friend of mine who's studying photography and other things for 'A'
level has been given a couple of old 8mm cine cameras including a Bolex that
belonged to his late uncle. Along with them is some old 8mm film stock that
he'd like to try and use but is wondering whether it's likely to be any good
and where he could get it processed. 

 

He has 2 rolls of Kodachrome25 film (8mm x 7.5m), one of them expired in
February 1980 and the other in January 1981.

 

Any ideas - and is new 8mm film still available anywhere?

 

Geoff Hawkes

 

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From robert.miles at soundsuper.co.uk  Mon Mar 11 06:57:43 2019
From: robert.miles at soundsuper.co.uk (Robert Miles)
Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2019 11:57:43 -0000
Subject: [Tech1] Old 8mm film - would it be any good and where could
 process it?
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Hi Geoff

 

You could try this company - https://www.gaugefilm.co.uk/

 

Rob

 

From: Tech1 <tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk> On Behalf Of Geoff Hawkes via
Tech1
Sent: 11 March 2019 11:28
To: tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
Subject: [Tech1] Old 8mm film - would it be any good and where could process
it?

 

Dear All,

 

A young friend of mine who's studying photography and other things for 'A'
level has been given a couple of old 8mm cine cameras including a Bolex that
belonged to his late uncle. Along with them is some old 8mm film stock that
he'd like to try and use but is wondering whether it's likely to be any good
and where he could get it processed. 

 

He has 2 rolls of Kodachrome25 film (8mm x 7.5m), one of them expired in
February 1980 and the other in January 1981.

 

Any ideas - and is new 8mm film still available anywhere?

 

Geoff Hawkes

 

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From tony.briselden at gmail.com  Mon Mar 11 07:29:24 2019
From: tony.briselden at gmail.com (Tony Briselden)
Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2019 12:29:24 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Old 8mm film - would it be any good and where could
 process it?
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Message-ID: <4598EBE1-6561-4B7F-AC4E-8586F08AEADB@gmail.com>

Geoff

Kodachrome is no longer manufactured and processing stopped several years ago. 8mm film is still available and one source is ww.on8mil.com. Not a recommendation just a source which may be suitable but prices are pretty high. I?m sure there are others just try Google. 

Tony B

> On 11 Mar 2019, at 11:28, Geoff Hawkes via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Dear All,
>  
> A young friend of mine who?s studying photography and other things for ?A? level has been given a couple of old 8mm cine cameras including a Bolex that belonged to his late uncle. Along with them is some old 8mm film stock that he?d like to try and use but is wondering whether it?s likely to be any good and where he could get it processed. 
>  
> He has 2 rolls of Kodachrome25 film (8mm x 7.5m), one of them expired in February 1980 and the other in January 1981.
>  
> Any ideas - and is new 8mm film still available anywhere?
>  
> Geoff Hawkes
>  
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From peterjohncombes at gmail.com  Mon Mar 11 07:30:44 2019
From: peterjohncombes at gmail.com (Peter Combes)
Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2019 13:30:44 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Old 8mm film - would it be any good and where could
 process it?
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The Old Film Company might be able to help.

http://www.theoldfilmcompany.com/

Peter Combes Crew 3 Emeritus.

On Mon, 11 Mar 2019 at 13:29, Tony Briselden via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
wrote:

> Geoff
>
> Kodachrome is no longer manufactured and processing stopped several years
> ago. 8mm film is still available and one source is ww.on8mil.com. Not a
> recommendation just a source which may be suitable but prices are pretty
> high. I?m sure there are others just try Google.
>
> Tony B
>
> On 11 Mar 2019, at 11:28, Geoff Hawkes via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
> Dear All,
>
> A young friend of mine who?s studying photography and other things for ?A?
> level has been given a couple of old 8mm cine cameras including a Bolex
> that belonged to his late uncle. Along with them is some old 8mm film stock
> that he?d like to try and use but is wondering whether it?s likely to be
> any good and where he could get it processed.
>
> He has 2 rolls of Kodachrome25 film (8mm x 7.5m), one of them expired in
> February 1980 and the other in January 1981.
>
> Any ideas - and is new 8mm film still available anywhere?
>
> *Geoff Hawkes*
>
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Mon Mar 11 08:34:10 2019
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2019 13:34:10 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Old 8mm film - would it be any good and where
 couldprocess it?
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An internet search shows:
https://www.super8.nl/english/e_price_proces_s8.htm

http://littlefilm.org/Labs.2.en.html
(USA)
But you can have a hunt for yourself!
Pat
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From: Peter Combes via Tech1
Sent: 11 March 2019 12:31
To: Tony Briselden
Cc: tech1
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Old 8mm film - would it be any good and where couldprocess it?

The Old Film Company might be able to help.

http://www.theoldfilmcompany.com/

Peter Combes Crew 3 Emeritus.

On Mon, 11 Mar 2019 at 13:29, Tony Briselden via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
Geoff

Kodachrome is no longer manufactured and processing stopped several years ago. 8mm film is still available and one source is ww.on8mil.com. Not a recommendation just a source which may be suitable but prices are pretty high. I?m sure there are others just try Google.?

Tony B


On 11 Mar 2019, at 11:28, Geoff Hawkes via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

Dear All,
?
A young friend of mine who?s studying photography and other things for ?A? level has been given a couple of old 8mm cine cameras including a Bolex that belonged to his late uncle. Along with them is some old 8mm film stock that he?d like to try and use but is wondering whether it?s likely to be any good and where he could get it processed.?
?
He has 2 rolls of Kodachrome25 film (8mm x 7.5m), one of them expired in February 1980 and the other in January 1981.
?
Any ideas - and is new 8mm film still available anywhere?
?
Geoff Hawkes
?
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Mon Mar 11 11:16:33 2019
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2019 16:16:33 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Old 8mm film - would it be any good and where
 couldprocess it?
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Further to my previous post, I spoke to an amateur guy who still shoots 16mm film.
Kodachrome is processable, but only in B/W now.
Apparently there are labs in Belgium and Holland.
He mentioned ORWO stock, but I don?t know much about that.
I?ve still got my beautiful Bolex H8RX (Double-run Std8). With it?s prime lenses, it was so much better than a Bolex Super8. Sadly, the Super8 stock in a nasty plastic cassette, used ASA40 film, balanced for artificial light, with a conversion filter for daylight. Although a larger frame size than Std8, it was nowhere near the resolution I got with the H8.
Regards
Pat

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From: Peter Combes via Tech1
Sent: 11 March 2019 12:31
To: Tony Briselden
Cc: tech1
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Old 8mm film - would it be any good and where couldprocess it?

The Old Film Company might be able to help.

http://www.theoldfilmcompany.com/

Peter Combes Crew 3 Emeritus.

On Mon, 11 Mar 2019 at 13:29, Tony Briselden via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
Geoff

Kodachrome is no longer manufactured and processing stopped several years ago. 8mm film is still available and one source is ww.on8mil.com. Not a recommendation just a source which may be suitable but prices are pretty high. I?m sure there are others just try Google.?

Tony B


On 11 Mar 2019, at 11:28, Geoff Hawkes via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

Dear All,
?
A young friend of mine who?s studying photography and other things for ?A? level has been given a couple of old 8mm cine cameras including a Bolex that belonged to his late uncle. Along with them is some old 8mm film stock that he?d like to try and use but is wondering whether it?s likely to be any good and where he could get it processed.?
?
He has 2 rolls of Kodachrome25 film (8mm x 7.5m), one of them expired in February 1980 and the other in January 1981.
?
Any ideas - and is new 8mm film still available anywhere?
?
Geoff Hawkes
?
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From dicksharon at tiscali.co.uk  Mon Mar 11 11:43:29 2019
From: dicksharon at tiscali.co.uk (dick)
Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2019 16:43:29 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] ORWO stock
Message-ID: <2c0a3d43-238f-faf6-3713-b2d2b7d21f6a@tiscali.co.uk>

In the 60's I used ORWO colour film and it was fine. Made in East 
Germany, behind the Iron curtain in them days.



From relong at btinternet.com  Mon Mar 11 12:40:44 2019
From: relong at btinternet.com (Roger E Long)
Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2019 17:40:44 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Old 8mm film - would it be any good and where
 couldprocess it?
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Anyone interested in film should watch FilmWorker a doco on Film4
It deals with Stanley Kubricks  personal assistant, Leon Vitali, an ex English actor who appeared in Barry Lyndon (one of my favourite films )
He was Stanleys amanuensis and factotum for 30 years
Responsible for casting, locations, coaching , restoration and film research
Its 2 hrs of fascinating back ground to a Genius Filmmaker and his tortuous relationship with Warner Bros
I love all of Kubricks films, Strangelove is currently on Netflix with an ace print, its priceless film making
Like all his iconic  films imho.
Roger
> On 11 Mar 2019, at 16:16, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Further to my previous post, I spoke to an amateur guy who still shoots 16mm film.
> Kodachrome is processable, but only in B/W now.
> Apparently there are labs in Belgium and Holland.
> He mentioned ORWO stock, but I don?t know much about that.
> I?ve still got my beautiful Bolex H8RX (Double-run Std8). With it?s prime lenses, it was so much better than a Bolex Super8. Sadly, the Super8 stock in a nasty plastic cassette, used ASA40 film, balanced for artificial light, with a conversion filter for daylight. Although a larger frame size than Std8, it was nowhere near the resolution I got with the H8.
> Regards
> Pat
>  
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> From: Peter Combes via Tech1 <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> Sent: 11 March 2019 12:31
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> Cc: tech1 <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Old 8mm film - would it be any good and where couldprocess it?
>  
> The Old Film Company might be able to help.
>  
> http://www.theoldfilmcompany.com/ <http://www.theoldfilmcompany.com/>
>  
> Peter Combes Crew 3 Emeritus.
>  
> On Mon, 11 Mar 2019 at 13:29, Tony Briselden via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:
> Geoff
>  
> Kodachrome is no longer manufactured and processing stopped several years ago. 8mm film is still available and one source is ww.on8mil.com <http://ww.on8mil.com/>. Not a recommendation just a source which may be suitable but prices are pretty high. I?m sure there are others just try Google. 
>  
> Tony B
> 
> 
> On 11 Mar 2019, at 11:28, Geoff Hawkes via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:
>  
> Dear All,
>  
> A young friend of mine who?s studying photography and other things for ?A? level has been given a couple of old 8mm cine cameras including a Bolex that belonged to his late uncle. Along with them is some old 8mm film stock that he?d like to try and use but is wondering whether it?s likely to be any good and where he could get it processed. 
>  
> He has 2 rolls of Kodachrome25 film (8mm x 7.5m), one of them expired in February 1980 and the other in January 1981.
>  
> Any ideas - and is new 8mm film still available anywhere?
>  
> Geoff Hawkes
>  
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From geoffreyhawkes at btinternet.com  Mon Mar 11 13:24:54 2019
From: geoffreyhawkes at btinternet.com (Geoffrey Hawkes)
Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2019 18:24:54 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Old 8mm film - would it be any good and where
 couldprocess it?
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Thanks for the update, Pat and I'll let the lad know.
I've had three replies including yours all with different suggestions and he can take his pick.
I think he'd probably be wasting time and money doing anything with the nearly forty year old stock but it's up to him if he wants to give it a go. The enthusiasm of youth and all that, where did it all go?
Regards,
Geoff

> On 11 Mar 2019, at 16:16, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Further to my previous post, I spoke to an amateur guy who still shoots 16mm film.
> Kodachrome is processable, but only in B/W now.
> Apparently there are labs in Belgium and Holland.
> He mentioned ORWO stock, but I don?t know much about that.
> I?ve still got my beautiful Bolex H8RX (Double-run Std8). With it?s prime lenses, it was so much better than a Bolex Super8. Sadly, the Super8 stock in a nasty plastic cassette, used ASA40 film, balanced for artificial light, with a conversion filter for daylight. Although a larger frame size than Std8, it was nowhere near the resolution I got with the H8.
> Regards
> Pat
>  
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>  
> From: Peter Combes via Tech1
> Sent: 11 March 2019 12:31
> To: Tony Briselden
> Cc: tech1
> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Old 8mm film - would it be any good and where couldprocess it?
>  
> The Old Film Company might be able to help.
>  
> http://www.theoldfilmcompany.com/
>  
> Peter Combes Crew 3 Emeritus.
>  
> On Mon, 11 Mar 2019 at 13:29, Tony Briselden via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> Geoff
>  
> Kodachrome is no longer manufactured and processing stopped several years ago. 8mm film is still available and one source is ww.on8mil.com. Not a recommendation just a source which may be suitable but prices are pretty high. I?m sure there are others just try Google. 
>  
> Tony B
> 
> 
> On 11 Mar 2019, at 11:28, Geoff Hawkes via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>  
> Dear All,
>  
> A young friend of mine who?s studying photography and other things for ?A? level has been given a couple of old 8mm cine cameras including a Bolex that belonged to his late uncle. Along with them is some old 8mm film stock that he?d like to try and use but is wondering whether it?s likely to be any good and where he could get it processed. 
>  
> He has 2 rolls of Kodachrome25 film (8mm x 7.5m), one of them expired in February 1980 and the other in January 1981.
>  
> Any ideas - and is new 8mm film still available anywhere?
>  
> Geoff Hawkes
>  
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From teateatone2 at gmail.com  Mon Mar 11 16:31:29 2019
From: teateatone2 at gmail.com (Tony Grant)
Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2019 21:31:29 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Meta - ology
Message-ID: <CAEMv0RMTQLMf7KvEsgsQgbkRCs7Ga892_Mbz0gRE5QHCfhTRbQ@mail.gmail.com>

Following on from the 1500s etymology, can anyone confirm if the following
is actually the work of Ronnie Barker:









*Bucking Frilliant - this is the story of Rindercella and her sugly
isters.       Rindercella and her sugly isters lived in a marge
lansion. Rindercella worked very hard frubbing sloors, emptying poss pits,
and shivelling shot. At the end of the day, she was knucking fackered. The
sugly isters were right bugly astards. One was called Mary Hinge, and the
other was called Betty Swallocks;  they were really forrible huckers; they
had fetty sweet and fatty swannies. The sugly isters had tickets to go to
the ball, but the cotton runts would not let Rindercella go. Suddenly there
was a bucking fang, and her gairy fodmother appeared. Her name was Shairy
Hithole and she was a light rucking fesbian. She  turned a pumpkin and six
mite wice into a hucking cuge farriage with six dandy ronkeys who had buge
hollocks and dig bicks. The gairy fodmother told Rindercella to be back by
nid might otherwise, there would be a cucking falamity.  At the ball,
Rindercella was dancing with the prandsome hince when suddenly the clock
struck twelve. "Mist all chucking frighty!!!" said  Rindercella, and
she ran out tripping barse over ollocks, so dropping her slass glipper.
The very next day, the prandsome hince knocked on Rindercella's door and
the sugly isters let him in.. Suddenly, Betty Swallocks lifted her leg and
let off a fig bart. "Who's fust jarted?"  asked the prandsome hince. ?Blame
that fugly ucker over there!!" said Mary Hinge. When the stinking brown
cloud had lifted, he tried the slass glipper on both the sugly isters
without success and their feet stucking funk. Betty Swallocks was ducking
fisgusted and gave the prandsome hince a knack in the kickers. This was not
difficult as he had bucking fuge halls and a hig bard on.  He tried the
slass glipper on Rindercella and it fitted pucking ferfectly.  Rindercella
and the prandsome hince were married. The pransome hince lived his life in
lucking fuxury, and Rindercella lived hers with a follen swanny!*
TeaTeaFN - Tony
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From peter.neill at icloud.com  Mon Mar 11 18:00:20 2019
From: peter.neill at icloud.com (Peter Neill)
Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2019 23:00:20 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Meta - ology
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A quick Google search suggests that it was by RB but delving deeper it appears to predate the Two Ronnie by some years and is, in fact, of American origin. 

Sent from my iPhone. Apologies for typos and autocorruptions. 

> On 11 Mar 2019, at 21:31, Tony Grant via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Following on from the 1500s etymology, can anyone confirm if the following is actually the work of Ronnie Barker:
> 
> Bucking Frilliant - this is the story of Rindercella and her sugly isters.      
> Rindercella and her sugly isters lived in a marge lansion. Rindercella worked very hard frubbing sloors, emptying poss pits, and shivelling shot. At the end of the day, she was knucking fackered. The sugly isters were right bugly astards. One was called Mary Hinge, and the other was called Betty Swallocks;  they were really forrible huckers; they had fetty sweet and fatty swannies. The sugly isters had tickets to go to the ball, but the cotton runts would not let Rindercella go. 
> Suddenly there was a bucking fang, and her gairy fodmother appeared. Her name was Shairy Hithole and she was a light rucking fesbian. She 
> turned a pumpkin and six mite wice into a hucking cuge farriage with six dandy ronkeys who had buge hollocks and dig bicks. The gairy fodmother told Rindercella to be back by nid might otherwise, there would be a cucking falamity. 
> At the ball, Rindercella was dancing with the prandsome hince when suddenly the clock struck twelve. "Mist all chucking frighty!!!" said 
> Rindercella, and she ran out tripping barse over ollocks, so dropping her slass glipper.  
> The very next day, the prandsome hince knocked on Rindercella's door and the sugly isters let him in.. Suddenly, Betty Swallocks lifted her leg and let off a fig bart. "Who's fust jarted?"  asked the prandsome hince. ?Blame that fugly ucker over there!!" said Mary Hinge. When the stinking brown cloud had lifted, he tried the slass glipper on both the sugly isters without success and their feet stucking funk. Betty Swallocks was ducking fisgusted and gave the prandsome hince a knack in the kickers. This was not difficult as he had bucking fuge halls and a hig bard on. 
> He tried the slass glipper on Rindercella and it fitted pucking ferfectly. 
> Rindercella and the prandsome hince were married. The pransome hince lived his life in lucking fuxury, and Rindercella lived hers with a follen swanny!
> 
> TeaTeaFN - Tony
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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Mon Mar 11 20:46:10 2019
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2019 08:46:10 +0700
Subject: [Tech1] Old 8mm film - would it be any good and where
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I have projectors for 16mm and 8mm. I'd really like to get rid of them, but
hate to chuck them on the tip

On Tue, 12 Mar 2019, 01:25 Geoffrey Hawkes via Tech1, <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
wrote:

> Thanks for the update, Pat and I'll let the lad know.
> I've had three replies including yours all with different suggestions and
> he can take his pick.
> I think he'd probably be wasting time and money doing anything with the
> nearly forty year old stock but it's up to him if he wants to give it a go.
> The enthusiasm of youth and all that, where did it all go?
> Regards,
> Geoff
>
> On 11 Mar 2019, at 16:16, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
> Further to my previous post, I spoke to an amateur guy who still shoots
> 16mm film.
>
> Kodachrome is processable, but only in B/W now.
>
> Apparently there are labs in Belgium and Holland.
>
> He mentioned ORWO stock, but I don?t know much about that.
>
> I?ve still got my beautiful Bolex H8RX (Double-run Std8). With it?s prime
> lenses, it was so much better than a Bolex Super8. Sadly, the Super8 stock
> in a nasty plastic cassette, used ASA40 film, balanced for artificial
> light, with a conversion filter for daylight. Although a larger frame size
> than Std8, it was nowhere near the resolution I got with the H8.
>
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> *From: *Peter Combes via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
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> *To: *Tony Briselden <tony.briselden at gmail.com>
> *Cc: *tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> *Subject: *Re: [Tech1] Old 8mm film - would it be any good and where
> couldprocess it?
>
>
>
> The Old Film Company might be able to help.
>
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> http://www.theoldfilmcompany.com/
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> Peter Combes Crew 3 Emeritus.
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>
> On Mon, 11 Mar 2019 at 13:29, Tony Briselden via Tech1 <
> tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>
> Geoff
>
>
>
> Kodachrome is no longer manufactured and processing stopped several years
> ago. 8mm film is still available and one source is ww.on8mil.com. Not a
> recommendation just a source which may be suitable but prices are pretty
> high. I?m sure there are others just try Google.
>
>
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> Tony B
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> On 11 Mar 2019, at 11:28, Geoff Hawkes via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> wrote:
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> Dear All,
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> A young friend of mine who?s studying photography and other things for ?A?
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> that belonged to his late uncle. Along with them is some old 8mm film stock
> that he?d like to try and use but is wondering whether it?s likely to be
> any good and where he could get it processed.
>
>
>
> He has 2 rolls of Kodachrome25 film (8mm x 7.5m), one of them expired in
> February 1980 and the other in January 1981.
>
>
>
> Any ideas - and is new 8mm film still available anywhere?
>
>
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From rogerbunce at btinternet.com  Wed Mar 13 06:49:16 2019
From: rogerbunce at btinternet.com (ROGER BUNCE)
Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2019 11:49:16 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tech1] Latest Animation
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Dear All,
????My teach-yourself animation experiments continue, and - At last, ?Keybootz of Kidbrooke, part 4: War? (with a cast of thousands) has reached YouTube. Three years in the making (apparently), hours and hours in the uploading, and only 20 mins running time. This is the latest instalment of my silent animated epic - a remake of an 8mm movie which my school chums made in 1963. The jokes have not changed for 56 years but, despite their advanced age, they still manage to be childish!
In case you didn?t spot the word SILENT above - it is. Don?t go searching for the sound, there isn?t any. I'm a bloody Cameraman! I only understand pictures, not noise.
Cinema fans may recognise tributes to such esteemed directors as Leni Riefenstahl, Sergei Eisenstein and Cecil B. DeMille, with hints of Stanley Kubrick and Steven Spielberg.
This is the final prequel leading up to ?The Battle of Beckenham? (which I made first - and has sound).
Keybootz of Kidbrooke, part 4: War


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In case you?ve missed the others, and are silly enough to want too watch them, ?Keybootz of Kidbrooke, ?parts 1, 2 and 3? and the ?The Battle of Beckenham?, are all available on YouTube.
And is you've got a YouTube account, please give it a 'Like', even if you can't be bothered to watch it!
luv, Rog.
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From graeme.wall at icloud.com  Wed Mar 13 07:30:21 2019
From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall)
Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2019 12:30:21 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Latest Animation
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Wasn?t it Michael Bentine who first launched Big Ben into space?
? 
Graeme Wall


> On 13 Mar 2019, at 11:49, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Dear All,
> 
>     My teach-yourself animation experiments continue, and - At last, ?Keybootz of Kidbrooke, part 4: War? (with a cast of thousands) has reached YouTube. Three years in the making (apparently), hours and hours in the uploading, and only 20 mins running time. This is the latest instalment of my silent animated epic - a remake of an 8mm movie which my school chums made in 1963. The jokes have not changed for 56 years but, despite their advanced age, they still manage to be childish!
> 
> In case you didn?t spot the word SILENT above - it is. Don?t go searching for the sound, there isn?t any. I'm a bloody Cameraman! I only understand pictures, not noise.
> 
> Cinema fans may recognise tributes to such esteemed directors as Leni Riefenstahl, Sergei Eisenstein and Cecil B. DeMille, with hints of Stanley Kubrick and Steven Spielberg.
> 
> This is the final prequel leading up to ?The Battle of Beckenham? (which I made first - and has sound).
> 
> Keybootz of Kidbrooke, part 4: War
> 
> 	
> Keybootz of Kidbrooke, part 4: War
> In which the wicked King Keybootz of Kidbrooke plots to conquer the whole known world - even Sidcup! (With a cas...
> 
> 
> In case you?ve missed the others, and are silly enough to want too watch them, ?Keybootz of Kidbrooke,  parts 1, 2 and 3? and the ?The Battle of Beckenham?, are all available on YouTube.
> 
> And is you've got a YouTube account, please give it a 'Like', even if you can't be bothered to watch it!
> 
> luv, Rog.
> 
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Wed Mar 13 11:56:32 2019
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2019 16:56:32 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Latest Animation
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Certainly Mike Bentine launched TVC  as a space station, which I believe sparked the wonderful memo that : ?The Television Centre is not to be used for entertainment? !
Pat


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Subject: Re: [Tech1] Latest Animation

Wasn?t it Michael Bentine who first launched Big Ben into space?
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From rogerbunce at btinternet.com  Wed Mar 13 12:01:16 2019
From: rogerbunce at btinternet.com (ROGER BUNCE)
Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2019 17:01:16 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tech1] Latest Animation
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 My comedy hero! I warned you that the jokes were 56 years old! I don't remember that one, but he certainly bombarded the houses of parliament with a Chinese war junk. And a pair of smouldering boots was a recurrent image in "It's a Square World".
luv, Rog.

    On Wednesday, 13 March 2019, 12:30:26 GMT, Graeme Wall <graeme.wall at icloud.com> wrote:  
 
 Wasn?t it Michael Bentine who first launched Big Ben into space?
? 
Graeme Wall


> On 13 Mar 2019, at 11:49, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Dear All,
> 
>? ? My teach-yourself animation experiments continue, and - At last, ?Keybootz of Kidbrooke, part 4: War? (with a cast of thousands) has reached YouTube. Three years in the making (apparently), hours and hours in the uploading, and only 20 mins running time. This is the latest instalment of my silent animated epic - a remake of an 8mm movie which my school chums made in 1963. The jokes have not changed for 56 years but, despite their advanced age, they still manage to be childish!
> 
> In case you didn?t spot the word SILENT above - it is. Don?t go searching for the sound, there isn?t any. I'm a bloody Cameraman! I only understand pictures, not noise.
> 
> Cinema fans may recognise tributes to such esteemed directors as Leni Riefenstahl, Sergei Eisenstein and Cecil B. DeMille, with hints of Stanley Kubrick and Steven Spielberg.
> 
> This is the final prequel leading up to ?The Battle of Beckenham? (which I made first - and has sound).
> 
> Keybootz of Kidbrooke, part 4: War
> 
> ??? 
> Keybootz of Kidbrooke, part 4: War
> In which the wicked King Keybootz of Kidbrooke plots to conquer the whole known world - even Sidcup! (With a cas...
> 
> 
> In case you?ve missed the others, and are silly enough to want too watch them, ?Keybootz of Kidbrooke,? parts 1, 2 and 3? and the ?The Battle of Beckenham?, are all available on YouTube.
> 
> And is you've got a YouTube account, please give it a 'Like', even if you can't be bothered to watch it!
> 
> luv, Rog.
> 
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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Wed Mar 13 14:43:51 2019
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2019 19:43:51 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Theatre shows
Message-ID: <470c8647-341b-a9c4-320f-95d0951cf6f9@btinternet.com>

My wife has been wanting to see the fantastic Chinese show, Shen Yun, 
ever since it arrived ihn the country. The tickets at our nearest venue 
in Woking (where?) start at ?64. I have just told her that there is a 
better show of headless chickens in Westminster, absolutely free on the 
BBC Parliament channel. She wasn't impressed! Cheers, Dave


From rogerbunce at btinternet.com  Thu Mar 14 04:04:03 2019
From: rogerbunce at btinternet.com (ROGER BUNCE)
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2019 09:04:03 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tech1] Latest Animation
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 I have several versions of Michael Bentine's memoirs (which don't always agree with one another). He claims to have incurred the displeasure of BBC Management, when he staged a Cowboys versus Indians battle at TV Centre, inspired by the observation that the studios were arranged in a circle, like a covered wagon train when under attack! (Should that now be 'Cattle Persons versus Native Americans'?) The filming happened over the weekend, when BBC Management were all snoozing at home. The following Monday morning, however, the suits were assembled in force, staring at a brick which had been singed by a burning arrow. It is this which triggered Tom Sloane's historic memo, "BBC Television Centre is not to be used for purposes of entertainment." I wonder if that brick still exists. It deserves a mini blue plaque of its own.
luv, Rog.


    On Wednesday, 13 March 2019, 16:56:34 GMT, patheigham <pat.heigham at amps.net> wrote:  
 
 
Certainly Mike Bentine launched TVC ?as a space station, which I believe sparked the wonderful memo that : ?The Television Centre is not to be used for entertainment? !

Pat

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From graeme.wall at icloud.com  Thu Mar 14 04:09:18 2019
From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall)
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2019 09:09:18 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Latest Animation
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My favourite Square World was the escape from Stalag BBC with the escapees being chased by a Messerschmidt bubble car.  They made their escape on a bus that just happened to be passing, allegedly.

? 
Graeme Wall


> On 14 Mar 2019, at 09:04, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> I have several versions of Michael Bentine's memoirs (which don't always agree with one another). He claims to have incurred the displeasure of BBC Management, when he staged a Cowboys versus Indians battle at TV Centre, inspired by the observation that the studios were arranged in a circle, like a covered wagon train when under attack! (Should that now be 'Cattle Persons versus Native Americans'?) The filming happened over the weekend, when BBC Management were all snoozing at home. The following Monday morning, however, the suits were assembled in force, staring at a brick which had been singed by a burning arrow. It is this which triggered Tom Sloane's historic memo, "BBC Television Centre is not to be used for purposes of entertainment." I wonder if that brick still exists. It deserves a mini blue plaque of its own.
> 
> luv, Rog.
> 
> 
> 
> On Wednesday, 13 March 2019, 16:56:34 GMT, patheigham <pat.heigham at amps.net> wrote:
> 
> 
> Certainly Mike Bentine launched TVC  as a space station, which I believe sparked the wonderful memo that : ?The Television Centre is not to be used for entertainment? !
> 
> Pat
> 
>  
>  
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
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> From: Graeme Wall via Tech1
> Sent: 13 March 2019 12:30
> To: ROGER BUNCE
> Cc: dave.mdv via Tech1
> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Latest Animation
> 
>  
> Wasn?t it Michael Bentine who first launched Big Ben into space?
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From hughsheppard at btinternet.com  Thu Mar 14 04:36:51 2019
From: hughsheppard at btinternet.com (Hugh Sheppard)
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2019 09:36:51 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] It's a Square World
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And recall has a memory of the opening shot of the 'pilot' in the 
Messerschmidt (surely Bentine?) in close-up of the perspex cockpit in 
goggles, flying suit etc. with accompanying aero engine noises, moving 
off as the shot pulled out to see it was indeed a bubble-car on the 
inner-circle of TVC.

Happy days - along with his giant plant-eating worms in a window-box...

Hugh

PS.? And after Bentine shows with an audience, MB always stayed on and 
talked to any children who wished to stay on..? A lovely man.

On 14-Mar-19 9:09 AM, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote:
> My favourite Square World was the escape from Stalag BBC with the escapees being chased by a Messerschmidt bubble car.  They made their escape on a bus that just happened to be passing, allegedly.
>
> ?
> Graeme Wall
>
>
>> On 14 Mar 2019, at 09:04, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> I have several versions of Michael Bentine's memoirs (which don't always agree with one another). He claims to have incurred the displeasure of BBC Management, when he staged a Cowboys versus Indians battle at TV Centre, inspired by the observation that the studios were arranged in a circle, like a covered wagon train when under attack! (Should that now be 'Cattle Persons versus Native Americans'?) The filming happened over the weekend, when BBC Management were all snoozing at home. The following Monday morning, however, the suits were assembled in force, staring at a brick which had been singed by a burning arrow. It is this which triggered Tom Sloane's historic memo, "BBC Television Centre is not to be used for purposes of entertainment." I wonder if that brick still exists. It deserves a mini blue plaque of its own.
>>
>> luv, Rog.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, 13 March 2019, 16:56:34 GMT, patheigham <pat.heigham at amps.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Certainly Mike Bentine launched TVC  as a space station, which I believe sparked the wonderful memo that : ?The Television Centre is not to be used for entertainment? !
>>
>> Pat
>>
>>   
>>   
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>> Sent: 13 March 2019 12:30
>> To: ROGER BUNCE
>> Cc: dave.mdv via Tech1
>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Latest Animation
>>
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>> Wasn?t it Michael Bentine who first launched Big Ben into space?
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From mibridge at mac.com  Thu Mar 14 04:40:35 2019
From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles)
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2019 09:40:35 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Latest Animation
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A similar memo followed a Swap Shop site meeting when we were planning one of the many walkabouts that used to happen, but I don?t recall who sent it - maybe it was tongue in cheek. 

Mike G

> On 14 Mar 2019, at 09:04, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> I have several versions of Michael Bentine's memoirs (which don't always agree with one another). He claims to have incurred the displeasure of BBC Management, when he staged a Cowboys versus Indians battle at TV Centre, inspired by the observation that the studios were arranged in a circle, like a covered wagon train when under attack! (Should that now be 'Cattle Persons versus Native Americans'?) The filming happened over the weekend, when BBC Management were all snoozing at home. The following Monday morning, however, the suits were assembled in force, staring at a brick which had been singed by a burning arrow. It is this which triggered Tom Sloane's historic memo, "BBC Television Centre is not to be used for purposes of entertainment." I wonder if that brick still exists. It deserves a mini blue plaque of its own.
> 
> luv, Rog.
> 
> 
> 
> On Wednesday, 13 March 2019, 16:56:34 GMT, patheigham <pat.heigham at amps.net> wrote:
> 
> 
> Certainly Mike Bentine launched TVC  as a space station, which I believe sparked the wonderful memo that : ?The Television Centre is not to be used for entertainment? !
> 
> Pat
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
> 
>  
> 
> From: Graeme Wall via Tech1
> Sent: 13 March 2019 12:30
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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Thu Mar 14 09:30:41 2019
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2019 14:30:41 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Jet lagged
Message-ID: <eca54eb9-eb48-dcc3-4034-19935ab45b1e@gmail.com>

Having spent the last 24 hours getting back from meeting up with my son 
in Krabi, Thailand, I am now an expert in a number of things I wasn't 
before. Like - it's really difficult to get between terminals at Kuala 
Lumpur, and there's no bag drop at KLIA1 so you can't go through to the 
departure lounge early, and the only food before security is a Big Mac. 
And at Krabi the very big canteeny restaurant is empty because they put 
it on the land side, overlooked the heaving departure hall which only 
has three gates and can't cope with filling a Finnair 787. And when you 
get on your BA 787 they give you one of those toiletry bags and a bottle 
of water, for which they don't provide storage space.

On the flight from Krabi to KL I was sitting with a Malay couple heading 
home from a beach holiday. I think the resorts of Ao Nang are their 
equivalent of the Costas. The chap said that he really wanted to visit 
London as he wanted to go to Enfield. I explained that he probably 
didn't and Westminster might be more interesting. "No", he said, it was 
for the football.? I digested this for a while, then realised that he 
meant Anfield. He was a bit shocked to find that it's nearly 200 miles away.

I'll go back to sleep now.

B
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Thu Mar 14 14:56:40 2019
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2019 19:56:40 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Jet lagged
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Ah! Bernie, Now you?ve started another thread of moans/stories involving travel?
I have a few ? working on a seven part doc about McLaren Formula One, BBC Bristol rustled up enough to send us to cover the Australian GP in Adelaide.
A stop at Bangkok, for a wander in the terminal resulted in a catch of flu, for me, but more likely from the re-circulated air in the plane.
I was pretty rough arriving at Sydney, but the BA staff were brilliant and shifted our gear across to a distant terminal for the flight to Adelaide. It happened to be the inaugural flight when BA amalgamated with Quantas, so a lot more champagne.
We had one day?s rest before the race meeting, so using the rental estate car, we visited the wineries of the Barossa Valley. My fluey condition had wrecked my palate, but I managed to sample a few of my favourites. Pitching into the work, one soon forget being poorly, (a local doc had given some medication).
On the homeward flight, direct from Adelaide to Heathrow, I had checked the seating arrangement of the 747, discovered that the upper deck was arranged as economy rather than business, so got our PA to pre-book our seats in row 10 upstairs, which was the first row behind the emergency exit doors, so plenty of legroom. The flight was lightly loaded so they gave us the seat between us for the camera. (Always hand carried, except for a stupid mistake by me, once ? another story!!!)
Another occasion ? returning from a holiday cruise from Bali, a stopover in Hong Kong, we discovered that the airline office (Cathay Pacific) was in the next street to our hotel, and we could check in our baggage there, early, as we had a day to kill before the evening take-off. And choose our seats, too. There were a pair which was close to the galley, no-one either side, and an arms reach to another glass!
Also, on a working location in Stavanger, Sweden, we were flying SAS and the hotel was SAS ? discovered a check-in in the foyer, able to get rid of all the kit, many silver boxes, the night before, so we only carried our overnight bags!!
So -talk to location film people about hints and tips, or maybe hold an AMEX card!
Regards
Pat


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From: Bernard Newnham via Tech1
Sent: 14 March 2019 14:31
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: [Tech1] Jet lagged

Having spent the last 24 hours getting back from meeting up with my son in Krabi, Thailand, I am now an expert in a number of things I wasn't before. Like - it's really difficult to get between terminals at Kuala Lumpur, and there's no bag drop at KLIA1 so you can't go through to the departure lounge early, and the only food before security is a Big Mac. And at Krabi the very big canteeny restaurant is empty because they put it on the land side, overlooked the heaving departure hall which only has three gates and can't cope with filling a Finnair 787. And when you get on your BA 787 they give you one of those toiletry bags and a bottle of water, for which they don't provide storage space.

On the flight from Krabi to KL I was sitting with a Malay couple heading home from a beach holiday. I think the resorts of Ao Nang are their equivalent of the Costas. The chap said that he really wanted to visit London as he wanted to go to Enfield. I explained that he probably didn't and Westminster might be more interesting. "No", he said, it was for the football.? I digested this for a while, then realised that he meant Anfield. He was a bit shocked to find that it's nearly 200 miles away.

I'll go back to sleep now.

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From relong at btinternet.com  Thu Mar 14 16:01:19 2019
From: relong at btinternet.com (ROGER LONG)
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2019 21:01:19 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Jet lagged
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We always flew BA in the 80s and 90s
The beeb had a deal with them for Xcess baggage . Upper deck 747 was our fav, it was economy plus and had a bar and 22 seats.
With Attenborough we always got an upgrade to first, but we all preferred the top deck!
State airlines flew half empty,once leaving Baghdad during the Iran war there were only 12 passengers on board, it was Air Iraq...
More terrorists than fare payers said the cameraman.

Roger 

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> On 14 Mar 2019, at 19:56, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Ah! Bernie, Now you?ve started another thread of moans/stories involving travel?
> I have a few ? working on a seven part doc about McLaren Formula One, BBC Bristol rustled up enough to send us to cover the Australian GP in Adelaide.
> A stop at Bangkok, for a wander in the terminal resulted in a catch of flu, for me, but more likely from the re-circulated air in the plane.
> I was pretty rough arriving at Sydney, but the BA staff were brilliant and shifted our gear across to a distant terminal for the flight to Adelaide. It happened to be the inaugural flight when BA amalgamated with Quantas, so a lot more champagne.
> We had one day?s rest before the race meeting, so using the rental estate car, we visited the wineries of the Barossa Valley. My fluey condition had wrecked my palate, but I managed to sample a few of my favourites. Pitching into the work, one soon forget being poorly, (a local doc had given some medication).
> On the homeward flight, direct from Adelaide to Heathrow, I had checked the seating arrangement of the 747, discovered that the upper deck was arranged as economy rather than business, so got our PA to pre-book our seats in row 10 upstairs, which was the first row behind the emergency exit doors, so plenty of legroom. The flight was lightly loaded so they gave us the seat between us for the camera. (Always hand carried, except for a stupid mistake by me, once ? another story!!!)
> Another occasion ? returning from a holiday cruise from Bali, a stopover in Hong Kong, we discovered that the airline office (Cathay Pacific) was in the next street to our hotel, and we could check in our baggage there, early, as we had a day to kill before the evening take-off. And choose our seats, too. There were a pair which was close to the galley, no-one either side, and an arms reach to another glass!
> Also, on a working location in Stavanger, Sweden, we were flying SAS and the hotel was SAS ? discovered a check-in in the foyer, able to get rid of all the kit, many silver boxes, the night before, so we only carried our overnight bags!!
> So -talk to location film people about hints and tips, or maybe hold an AMEX card!
> Regards
> Pat
>  
>  
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>  
> From: Bernard Newnham via Tech1
> Sent: 14 March 2019 14:31
> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> Subject: [Tech1] Jet lagged
>  
> Having spent the last 24 hours getting back from meeting up with my son in Krabi, Thailand, I am now an expert in a number of things I wasn't before. Like - it's really difficult to get between terminals at Kuala Lumpur, and there's no bag drop at KLIA1 so you can't go through to the departure lounge early, and the only food before security is a Big Mac. And at Krabi the very big canteeny restaurant is empty because they put it on the land side, overlooked the heaving departure hall which only has three gates and can't cope with filling a Finnair 787. And when you get on your BA 787 they give you one of those toiletry bags and a bottle of water, for which they don't provide storage space.
> 
> On the flight from Krabi to KL I was sitting with a Malay couple heading home from a beach holiday. I think the resorts of Ao Nang are their equivalent of the Costas. The chap said that he really wanted to visit London as he wanted to go to Enfield. I explained that he probably didn't and Westminster might be more interesting. "No", he said, it was for the football.  I digested this for a while, then realised that he meant Anfield. He was a bit shocked to find that it's nearly 200 miles away.
> 
> I'll go back to sleep now.
> 
> B
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From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com  Fri Mar 15 03:58:19 2019
From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray)
Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2019 08:58:19 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Jet lagged
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??Flew in from Miami Beach, B.O.A.C?.?

No, not quite!

I had to fly from Quito, Ecuador back to Heathrow.This involved flying 
into Miami on more or less a local flight, then transferring to a BA 
flight back to LHR.This meant a lay-over of something like 5 hours.

Usually I spent any layover or delay time working, or more usually 
continuing to write my computer program to draw Great Western steam 
locomotive designs, but this time I wanted to do something different.I 
asked one of the official looking people if I could leave the airport 
during this transfer ? and got the answer ?Yes?.

So, out of the arrivals lounge and onto a bus ? had to feed in a higher 
denomination note (no change given) but hey! Off we go to the harbour. 
All the signs and notices in the bus were in Spanish.

On the way to the harbour, we went past the hospital which was used for 
the exterior shots of ?Nurses?(this was an early 90's sitcom that 
revolved around hospital staff in Miami, Florida. It primarily centred 
on the female nurses but also some doctors).

Checked up on the bus times and journey times, and it meant I had to 
catch the very next bus back to the airport, but it did give me some 
time to look round Miami harbour. Food and trinket stalls, pelicans and 
so on. Then back on the bus to the airport, check in and off to LHR.

Quito airport was not up to the standard of European provincial 
airports. At Arrivals (?), the baggage was just thrown into a pile in 
the corner of the hall: find it yourself.When it came time to leave ? 
well, the runway is basically alongside a shopping road.We turned onto 
the runway, and set off.Quito is high upin the Andean foothills at an 
altitude of 2,850m. ? so the plane rolled on and on and on and on, I 
wondered if we were ever going to rotate as the mountain at the end of 
the runway got closer and closer.When we did lift off, we got a close up 
view of a mountain peak.

The previous week I had been in Seattle.Wide boulevards, lots of 
traffic, and trolley busses.Quito had narrow streets, lots of traffic ? 
and were going to install trolley busses.Which was rather a strange 
option to go for, as there were continual power cuts ? I was walking 
down the stairs in the hotel when there was a power outage , and when I 
got outside, the hotel was looking like a disco stage with the lights 
going on and off.My most frightening experience was when I was being 
driven back to the hotel on day with Oscar (my contact) as we approached 
a set of traffic lights there was a power outage ? and of course 
everyone said ?it?s my turn? and just went for it.Quite something to see 
a large 4x4 coming fast straight towards your car door? in a civilised city.

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Alec

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From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com  Fri Mar 15 04:37:39 2019
From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray)
Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2019 09:37:39 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Jet Lag
Message-ID: <f0ded41a-4a6d-72da-a5ed-1c4d0fa5a9d8@gmail.com>

Just checked up on Quito: Since 2002, the city has demolished the old 
airport and built a new International airport!

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Alec

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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Fri Mar 15 05:16:12 2019
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2019 10:16:12 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Jet Lag
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Message-ID: <07fede96-5d8e-a5fb-a628-ea38127105fd@ntlworld.com>

Quito approach - I've seen this several times now, always a bit worrying
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gnSWCfPF3k

B



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> Just checked up on Quito: Since 2002, the city has demolished the old 
> airport and built a new International airport!
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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Fri Mar 15 05:16:26 2019
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2019 10:16:26 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Jet Lag
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Quito approach - I've seen this several times now, always a bit worrying
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gnSWCfPF3k

B



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> Just checked up on Quito: Since 2002, the city has demolished the old 
> airport and built a new International airport!
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From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com  Fri Mar 15 06:44:56 2019
From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray)
Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2019 11:44:56 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Jet Lag
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Hi Bernie,

THANK YOU! for that YouTube - brought back memories!

We took off to the North - straight towards the peak that the LH flew over.



So there's the road and shops and so on on the right - it was on the LHS 
as we took off.? Perimeter fencing - Nah! Wassat?

During my stay in Quito, I went to the facility's canteen.? Oscar 
suggested the fruit salad for dessert.

"Do you recognise ANY of those fruits?" Oscar said.

"No!"? But it was delicious.


Can't say that for everything. On one evening out - to a local 
restaurant, I suggested to my hosts that I would like to try the local 
offerings,? So to drink I ordered up the local brew.? Well, if I said 
mashed up sweetcorn- a sort of alcoholic sweetcorn smoothie I suppose - 
that would be near the mark. It was Horrible!

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From jpn at imixmics.co.uk  Fri Mar 15 08:01:29 2019
From: jpn at imixmics.co.uk (John Nottage)
Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2019 13:01:29 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] [SPAM?] Re:  Jet Lag
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Flew in & out of Quito back '92 for a 3 week holiday in Ecuador & The 
Galapagos. I didn't remember it being particularly scary - down to the 
good Lufthansa pilots I guess. We were based in the Hotel Colon (the 
annex was called The Semi-Colon). I remember going down for a very early 
breakfast at 4am being greeted by the MD with a dinner menu in one hand 
& a breakfast menu in the other! There were 4 very drunk businessmen 
still finishing their dinner. Great holiday though...

Was it Majorca or Madeira that used to have the very short runway 
starting & ending in the sea?

John

On 15/03/2019 10:16, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote:
> Quito approach - I've seen this several times now, always a bit worrying
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gnSWCfPF3k
> 
> B
> 
> 
> 
> On 15/03/2019 09:37, Alec Bray via Tech1 wrote:
>> Just checked up on Quito: Since 2002, the city has demolished the old 
>> airport and built a new International airport!
>>
> 
> 



From david.jasma at sky.com  Fri Mar 15 09:06:35 2019
From: david.jasma at sky.com (Dave Buckley)
Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2019 14:06:35 -0000
Subject: [Tech1] Jet lag.....
Message-ID: <000301d4db38$4d0769d0$e7163d70$@sky.com>

In reply to John Nottage, it's Madeira that has an airport and runway which
looks a bit like an aircraft carrier!!

Attached is a photo of a table mat that I bought on a holiday there a few
years ago.

The position of the airport is such that it suffers a cross wind off the
mountain to the right of the photo. This produces some spectacular landings
or not as the case may be. There are quite a number of postings on Youtube
of aircraft landing under such conditions - just put in 'madeira airport
landing' to find them.

Dave Buckley


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From jpn at imixmics.co.uk  Fri Mar 15 10:08:18 2019
From: jpn at imixmics.co.uk (John Nottage)
Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2019 15:08:18 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] [SPAM?]  Jet lag.....
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I remembered after I posted: the planes couldn't take off from Funchal 
full of fuel, so had to stop at the neighbouring island of Porto Santo, 
which must have a bigger runway, to fill up before heading home!

John

On 15/03/2019 14:06, Dave Buckley via Tech1 wrote:
> In reply to John Nottage, it's Madeira that has an airport and runway which
> looks a bit like an aircraft carrier!!
> 
> Attached is a photo of a table mat that I bought on a holiday there a few
> years ago.
> 
> The position of the airport is such that it suffers a cross wind off the
> mountain to the right of the photo. This produces some spectacular landings
> or not as the case may be. There are quite a number of postings on Youtube
> of aircraft landing under such conditions - just put in 'madeira airport
> landing' to find them.
> 
> Dave Buckley
> 
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From tony.briselden at gmail.com  Fri Mar 15 11:25:53 2019
From: tony.briselden at gmail.com (Tony Briselden)
Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2019 16:25:53 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Jet Lag
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The YouTube about landing at Quito was fascinating.

I?ve flown into Quito a couple of times. First was in 1994 by KLM with a refuelling stop in Curacao. Can?t remember what the aircraft was but the landing at Quito was a bit hairy because of cloud. On the way back we flew in a KLM MD-11. We were told that the pilot had spent some time in South America for familiarisation. Judging by heavy landings in Curacao and Amsterdam we reckon the familiarisation should have been with the aircraft and not the airports!

Our second trip was in 2001 and was by Avianca the Columbian airline in a Boing 767-200.Heathrow to Bogota and then a change to fly in to Quito. Not quite such a hairy landing as we remembered from before.

As an aside we were flying back from Bogota when 9-11 was happening. Obviously we knew nothing about it although I suspect that the flight crew knew. When we rang our son to say we had returned the first thing he said was ?Turn on the television? This of course we did and saw much of the disaster over the next few hours.

Tony B

> On 15 Mar 2019, at 11:44, Alec Bray via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Hi Bernie, 
> 
> THANK YOU! for that YouTube - brought back memories!
> 
> We took off to the North - straight towards the peak that the LH flew over. 
> 
> 
> 
> <kgajjhjglnnpnjbn.png>
> 
> 
> 
> So there's the road and shops and so on on the right - it was on the LHS as we took off.  Perimeter fencing - Nah! Wassat?
> 
> During my stay in Quito, I went to the facility's canteen.  Oscar suggested the fruit salad for dessert.
> 
> "Do you recognise ANY of those fruits?" Oscar said.
> 
> "No!"  But it was delicious.
> 
> 
> 
> Can't say that for everything. On one evening out - to a local restaurant, I suggested to my hosts that I would like to try the local offerings,  So to drink I ordered up the local brew.  Well, if I said mashed up sweetcorn- a sort of alcoholic sweetcorn smoothie I suppose - that would be near the mark. It was Horrible!
> 
> -- 
> 
> Best Regards
> 
> Alec
> 
> Alec Bray
> 
> alec.bray.2 at gmail.com <mailto:alec.bray.2 at gmail.com>
> mob:    07789 561 346
> home:   0118 981 7502
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From rogerbunce at btinternet.com  Sat Mar 16 14:24:33 2019
From: rogerbunce at btinternet.com (ROGER BUNCE)
Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2019 19:24:33 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tech1] 1961
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A jolly clip from 1961, which recently appeared on Facebook, featuring the art of turret swinging.
I can't say I recognise anyone, but I suspect the Vision Mixers is Rachel.
Did we have a conversation, earlier, about which studio had the gallery monitors above the gallery window? (as illustrated in the ladybird book.) Well, this seems to be that studio!
luv, Rog.
http://www.tech-ops.co.uk/1961_training.WebM?
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From j at howell61.f9.co.uk  Sat Mar 16 19:18:06 2019
From: j at howell61.f9.co.uk (John Howell)
Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2019 00:18:06 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] 1961
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Dear Rog,

I think the studio with the gallery monitors as you describe was 
Riverside 1.

The cameraman at 3' 36" looks a bit like Pete "Staggers" Wilson, but he was

on Sound when I joined. What think you Dave Mundy?


John H.


On 16/03/CE via Tech1 wrote:

> A jolly clip from 1961, which recently appeared on Facebook, featuring 
> the art of turret swinging.
>
> I can't say I recognise anyone, but I suspect the Vision Mixers is Rachel.
>
> Did we have a conversation, earlier, about which studio had the 
> gallery monitors above the gallery window? (as illustrated in the 
> ladybird book.) Well, this seems to be that studio!
>
> luv, Rog.
>
> http://www.tech-ops.co.uk/1961_training.WebM
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From hughsheppard at btinternet.com  Sun Mar 17 03:01:16 2019
From: hughsheppard at btinternet.com (Hugh Sheppard)
Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2019 08:01:16 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] 1961
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Wow!? What a find!? The presenter was Ian Atkins, a TV producer who 
became CPS Tel (Controller of Programme Services) with cameraman Maurice 
Fleischer who, according to LinkedIn was still with us in late 2018. I 
don't recognise the vision mixer as Rachel Blaney, not least because she 
doesn't appear to have any knitting. Maurice joined the early 60s exodus 
and went to Intertel and later took a management role at Vinten. 
Although he wouldn't have known it, he was my mentor as the No. 2 to 
Mark Lewis on Crew 6 in 1958 - 61 or thereabouts, with a reputation that 
included an invitation to mentor Eartha Kitt; whether he succeeded only 
the two of them would? know!

There's a more direct link to this as a BBC Archive at 
https://twitter.com/BBCArchive/status/1106593647200555009? Once there, I 
wonder what else we might find.

Hugh

On 16-Mar-19 7:24 PM, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 wrote:
> A jolly clip from 1961, which recently appeared on Facebook, featuring 
> the art of turret swinging.
>
> I can't say I recognise anyone, but I suspect the Vision Mixers is Rachel.
>
> Did we have a conversation, earlier, about which studio had the 
> gallery monitors above the gallery window? (as illustrated in the 
> ladybird book.) Well, this seems to be that studio!
>
> luv, Rog.
>
> http://www.tech-ops.co.uk/1961_training.WebM
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From peter.neill at icloud.com  Sun Mar 17 06:23:46 2019
From: peter.neill at icloud.com (Peter Neill)
Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2019 11:23:46 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] 1961
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I did find the photo that the Ladybird illustration was based on - but I can?t remember where! 

Peter




> On 16 Mar 2019, at 19:24, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> A jolly clip from 1961, which recently appeared on Facebook, featuring the art of turret swinging.
> 
> I can't say I recognise anyone, but I suspect the Vision Mixers is Rachel.
> 
> Did we have a conversation, earlier, about which studio had the gallery monitors above the gallery window? (as illustrated in the ladybird book.) Well, this seems to be that studio!
> 
> luv, Rog.
> 
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From billjenkin67 at gmail.com  Sun Mar 17 07:19:16 2019
From: billjenkin67 at gmail.com (Bill Jenkin)
Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2019 12:19:16 -0000
Subject: [Tech1] 1961
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I think it likely that this was shot in the Viking Studio in Kensington. It had been used by the BBC for training and it had Marconi mk IIIs. It also had the monitors above window set up.   Incidentally ?Tonight? came from this studio when it launched and stayed there until the opening of studios in TC  made it possible for it to come from Lime Grove.  (taken from Martin Kempton?s TV Studios History website.) - 
http://www.tvstudiohistory.co.uk/studio%20history.htm#viking

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I did find the photo that the Ladybird illustration was based on - but I can?t remember where! 

 

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On 16 Mar 2019, at 19:24, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

 

A jolly clip from 1961, which recently appeared on Facebook, featuring the art of turret swinging.

 

I can't say I recognise anyone, but I suspect the Vision Mixers is Rachel.

 

Did we have a conversation, earlier, about which studio had the gallery monitors above the gallery window? (as illustrated in the ladybird book.) Well, this seems to be that studio!

 

luv, Rog.

 

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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Sun Mar 17 09:23:55 2019
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2019 14:23:55 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] 1961
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A nice film that could well be shown to some of today?s ?directors?!
The bit about camera cables reminds me of a Rudi Cartier play where after the first blocking, the cables were hopelessly intertwined.
Rudi went on the floor, and very intelligently said to make all the camera moves in reverse, thus at the end of the show, the cables would be unwound and freed up. Brilliant!

Of course, prime lenses on a turret made it easy for the boom ops to know the frame of the shot. This went out the window when zooms became standard ? thus important to have a monitor for the boom op to see.
Pat

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On 16 Mar 2019, at 19:24, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

A jolly clip from 1961, which recently appeared on Facebook, featuring the art of turret swinging.

I can't say I recognise anyone, but I suspect the Vision Mixers is Rachel.

Did we have a conversation, earlier, about which studio had the gallery monitors above the gallery window? (as illustrated in the ladybird book.) Well, this seems to be that studio!

luv, Rog.

http://www.tech-ops.co.uk/1961_training.WebM?
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From dave at davesound.co.uk  Sun Mar 17 09:53:29 2019
From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman)
Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2019 14:53:29 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Tech1] 1961
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In article <5c8e587b.1c69fb81.4053e.595c at mx.google.com>,
   patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> Of course, prime lenses on a turret made it easy for the boom ops to
> know the frame of the shot. This went out the window when zooms became
> standard =97 thus important to have a monitor for the boom op to see.

I remember seeing an early prototype colour camera with a zoom angle
indicator on both sides of it - presumably to tell the boom op what it
was?

Can't remember the camera make - anyone?

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From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com  Sun Mar 17 09:59:13 2019
From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray)
Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2019 14:59:13 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] 1961
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Hi all,

On 17/03/2019 14:53, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote:
> I remember seeing an early prototype colour camera with a zoom angle
> indicator on both sides of it - presumably to tell the boom op what it
> was?
>
> Can't remember the camera make - anyone?

Discussed at length here:

http://tech-ops.co.uk/next/studio-camera-fixed-lenses/

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From graeme.wall at icloud.com  Sun Mar 17 10:12:42 2019
From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall)
Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2019 15:12:42 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] 1961
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Didn?t one of the early colour cameras have a zoom indication on the top for the boom op to see?

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> On 17 Mar 2019, at 14:23, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> A nice film that could well be shown to some of today?s ?directors?!
> The bit about camera cables reminds me of a Rudi Cartier play where after the first blocking, the cables were hopelessly intertwined.
> Rudi went on the floor, and very intelligently said to make all the camera moves in reverse, thus at the end of the show, the cables would be unwound and freed up. Brilliant!
>  
> Of course, prime lenses on a turret made it easy for the boom ops to know the frame of the shot. This went out the window when zooms became standard ? thus important to have a monitor for the boom op to see.
> Pat
>  
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
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> From: Tech1 [mailto:tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk] On Behalf Of Peter Neill via Tech1
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> Subject: Re: [Tech1] 1961
>  
> On 16 Mar 2019, at 19:24, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>  
> A jolly clip from 1961, which recently appeared on Facebook, featuring the art of turret swinging.
>  
> I can't say I recognise anyone, but I suspect the Vision Mixers is Rachel.
>  
> Did we have a conversation, earlier, about which studio had the gallery monitors above the gallery window? (as illustrated in the ladybird book.) Well, this seems to be that studio!
>  
> luv, Rog.
>  
> http://www.tech-ops.co.uk/1961_training.WebM 
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From dudley.darby at gmail.com  Sun Mar 17 10:41:18 2019
From: dudley.darby at gmail.com (Dudley Darby)
Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2019 15:41:18 -0000
Subject: [Tech1] 1961
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It was the Philips (Peto Scott) PC60 I think Dave. We had them in PresB, but
didn't use the indicators. They were like a segemnt on top of the camera
which rose as you went wider.

Dudley

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Subject: Re: [Tech1] 1961

In article <5c8e587b.1c69fb81.4053e.595c at mx.google.com>,
   patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> Of course, prime lenses on a turret made it easy for the boom ops to
> know the frame of the shot. This went out the window when zooms became
> standard =97 thus important to have a monitor for the boom op to see.

I remember seeing an early prototype colour camera with a zoom angle
indicator on both sides of it - presumably to tell the boom op what it
was?

Can't remember the camera make - anyone?

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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Sun Mar 17 11:15:26 2019
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2019 16:15:26 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: Re: Fwd:  1961
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This from Maurice Fleisher......


-------- Forwarded Message --------
Subject: 	Re: Fwd: [Tech1] 1961
Date: 	Sun, 17 Mar 2019 13:10:21 +0000
From: 	Maurice Fleisher <maurice12 at ntlworld.com>
Organization: 	Video Enterprises
To: 	bernard.newnham at ntlworld.com, Maurice Fleisher 
<videoenterprises at ntlworld.com>



OMG! That's me on camera 2 and possibly Bernard Fox (senior cameraman) 
on the Cam 1 Pathfinder although the picture is very fuzzy. Can't 
confirm the Vision Mixer. It looks like it might have been done in 
Studio D , Lime Grove. Can't remember during it.

Marconi Mk.3 cameras, my favourite. Disgruntled to see the back of my 
head was already showing signs of baldness even 58 years ago.

When I was on Bernards Crew 5 it included Stan Appel (then cameraman) 
and Neil Campbell (Racks) who may be able to add something more.

*Maurice Fleisher*
maurice12 at ntlworld.com
High Wycombe. Bucks. UK
=======================
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>
>
>
> -------- Forwarded Message --------
> Subject: 	[Tech1] 1961
> Date: 	Sat, 16 Mar 2019 19:24:33 +0000 (UTC)
> From: 	ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> Reply-To: 	ROGER BUNCE <rogerbunce at btinternet.com>
> To: 	dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
>
>
>
> A jolly clip from 1961, which recently appeared on Facebook, featuring 
> the art of turret swinging.
>
> I can't say I recognise anyone, but I suspect the Vision Mixers is Rachel.
>
> Did we have a conversation, earlier, about which studio had the 
> gallery monitors above the gallery window? (as illustrated in the 
> ladybird book.) Well, this seems to be that studio!
>
> luv, Rog.
>
> http://www.tech-ops.co.uk/1961_training.WebM
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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Sun Mar 17 11:16:09 2019
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2019 16:16:09 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: Re: Fwd:  1961
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This from Maurice Fleisher......


-------- Forwarded Message --------
Subject: 	Re: Fwd: [Tech1] 1961
Date: 	Sun, 17 Mar 2019 13:10:21 +0000
From: 	Maurice Fleisher <maurice12 at ntlworld.com>
Organization: 	Video Enterprises
To: 	bernard.newnham at ntlworld.com, Maurice Fleisher 
<videoenterprises at ntlworld.com>



OMG! That's me on camera 2 and possibly Bernard Fox (senior cameraman) 
on the Cam 1 Pathfinder although the picture is very fuzzy. Can't 
confirm the Vision Mixer. It looks like it might have been done in 
Studio D , Lime Grove. Can't remember during it.

Marconi Mk.3 cameras, my favourite. Disgruntled to see the back of my 
head was already showing signs of baldness even 58 years ago.

When I was on Bernards Crew 5 it included Stan Appel (then cameraman) 
and Neil Campbell (Racks) who may be able to add something more.

*Maurice Fleisher*
maurice12 at ntlworld.com
High Wycombe. Bucks. UK
=======================
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>
>
> -------- Forwarded Message --------
> Subject: 	[Tech1] 1961
> Date: 	Sat, 16 Mar 2019 19:24:33 +0000 (UTC)
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> Reply-To: 	ROGER BUNCE <rogerbunce at btinternet.com>
> To: 	dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
>
>
>
> A jolly clip from 1961, which recently appeared on Facebook, featuring 
> the art of turret swinging.
>
> I can't say I recognise anyone, but I suspect the Vision Mixers is Rachel.
>
> Did we have a conversation, earlier, about which studio had the 
> gallery monitors above the gallery window? (as illustrated in the 
> ladybird book.) Well, this seems to be that studio!
>
> luv, Rog.
>
> http://www.tech-ops.co.uk/1961_training.WebM
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From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com  Sun Mar 17 11:42:02 2019
From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray)
Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2019 16:42:02 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: Re: Fwd: 1961
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Hi

On 17/03/2019 16:15, Bernard Newnham/Maurice Fleisher? via Tech1 wrote:
> It looks like it might have been done in Studio D , Lime Grove.

Lime Grove had CPS Emitrons in 1963.? I don't think that LG would have 
had IOs and then gone BACK to CPSE?

AFAIK, in 1963 there were CPS Emitrons in LG D, E, and G, Marconi/RCA 
colour cameras in LG H, and Marconi Mk 3s in TVT, R1 and R2.? The TVT 
and Riverside soon got updated to Pye Mk Vs.


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From martin at theeccles.uk  Sun Mar 17 11:59:44 2019
From: martin at theeccles.uk (Martin Eccles)
Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2019 16:59:44 -0000
Subject: [Tech1] 1961
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As a boom operator I used to use the angle of tilt of a camera (Emi 2001) to determine whether it was zoomed out

so tilted down to stop shooting off the top of the set or pointing straight at an artist when zoomed in.

 

The camera person?s fingers out or in movement on the zoom control also gave away a change of shot.

Good camera persons would just have to point a finger upwards to indicate you were still in the next shot by a fraction

and then the thumb would come up if corrected, not to mention the vision mixer?s rare cry of ?boom up? and then the cut was made.

All this as well as being mindful of shadows and following the script with the major moves marked up 

and why did makeup ladies always stand in front of the monitor just as the vital shot change was about to happen?

Martin.

 

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To: Bill Jenkin <billjenkin67 at gmail.com>; co. uk email group <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
Cc: Tech-Ops-chit-chat <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [Tech1] 1961

 

A nice film that could well be shown to some of today?s ?directors?!

The bit about camera cables reminds me of a Rudi Cartier play where after the first blocking, the cables were hopelessly intertwined.

Rudi went on the floor, and very intelligently said to make all the camera moves in reverse, thus at the end of the show, the cables would be unwound and freed up. Brilliant!

 

Of course, prime lenses on a turret made it easy for the boom ops to know the frame of the shot. This went out the window when zooms became standard ? thus important to have a monitor for the boom op to see.

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Subject: Re: [Tech1] 1961

 

On 16 Mar 2019, at 19:24, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> > wrote:

 

A jolly clip from 1961, which recently appeared on Facebook, featuring the art of turret swinging.

 

I can't say I recognise anyone, but I suspect the Vision Mixers is Rachel.

 

Did we have a conversation, earlier, about which studio had the gallery monitors above the gallery window? (as illustrated in the ladybird book.) Well, this seems to be that studio!

 

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From j at howell61.f9.co.uk  Sun Mar 17 12:50:21 2019
From: j at howell61.f9.co.uk (John Howell)
Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2019 17:50:21 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] 1961
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Peter, Rog,

It most certainly was Riverside 1, see attached picture from BBC 
Monograph No. 14 October 1957, the monitors appear to be the ubiquitous 
Pye 2780.


John H.



On 17/03/2019 11:23, Peter Neill via Tech1 wrote:
> I did find the photo that the Ladybird illustration was based on - but 
> I can?t remember where!
>
> Peter
>
>
>
>
>> On 16 Mar 2019, at 19:24, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk 
>> <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:
>>
>> A jolly clip from 1961, which recently appeared on Facebook, 
>> featuring the art of turret swinging.
>>
>> I can't say I recognise anyone, but I suspect the Vision Mixers is 
>> Rachel.
>>
>> Did we have a conversation, earlier, about which studio had the 
>> gallery monitors above the gallery window? (as illustrated in the 
>> ladybird book.) Well, this seems to be that studio!
>>
>> luv, Rog.
>>
>> http://www.tech-ops.co.uk/1961_training.WebM 
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From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com  Mon Mar 18 04:15:45 2019
From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray)
Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2019 09:15:45 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Vinten Crane - 1961 Training
Message-ID: <41209275-2a11-4262-f54f-bd362e5f2ed4@gmail.com>

Hi all,

Maurice Fleisher - via Bernie - in response to the BBC Training film 
1961 - wrote:

"... possibly Bernard Fox (senior cameraman) on the Cam 1 Pathfinder..."

I only ever knew this as the Vinten Motorised.? Did it really have a 
"proper" name?


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From graeme.wall at icloud.com  Mon Mar 18 05:00:29 2019
From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall)
Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2019 10:00:29 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Vinten Crane - 1961 Training
In-Reply-To: <41209275-2a11-4262-f54f-bd362e5f2ed4@gmail.com>
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The Pathfinder was a rival dolly with a hand wound crane drive.  We had one at Southern/TVS.  I think it ended up at a college in Winchester.
? 
Graeme Wall


> On 18 Mar 2019, at 09:15, Alec Bray via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Hi all, 
> 
> Maurice Fleisher - via Bernie - in response to the BBC Training film 1961 - wrote:
> 
> "... possibly Bernard Fox (senior cameraman) on the Cam 1 Pathfinder..." 
> 
> <djkahndjcekoilnh.png>
> 
> I only ever knew this as the Vinten Motorised.  Did it really have a "proper" name?
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> 
> Best Regards
> 
> Alec
> 
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> 
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From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net  Mon Mar 18 05:05:00 2019
From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt)
Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2019 10:05:00 -0000
Subject: [Tech1] Vinten Crane - 1961 Training
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Agreed Alec ? we knew these as Vinten Motorised, usually just referred to as a ?Motorised?. The Pathfinder certainly existed in a number of forms, one of which was evolved for TV studio work.

Dave Newbitt.

From: Alec Bray via Tech1 
Sent: Monday, March 18, 2019 9:15 AM
To: Tech Ops 
Subject: [Tech1] Vinten Crane - 1961 Training

Hi all, 


Maurice Fleisher - via Bernie - in response to the BBC Training film 1961 - wrote:


"... possibly Bernard Fox (senior cameraman) on the Cam 1 Pathfinder..." 




I only ever knew this as the Vinten Motorised.  Did it really have a "proper" name?




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From mikej at bmanor.co.uk  Mon Mar 18 05:05:33 2019
From: mikej at bmanor.co.uk (Mike Jordan)
Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2019 10:05:33 -0000
Subject: [Tech1] What are colour bars?
Message-ID: <A89F8B975AC84D6F8887141E72493716@Gigabyte>

Was out in town yesterday to see the last 1938 tube stock doing it?s final outing across town before the new signalling systems (if they ever work) make it totally incompatible and new signal box built at Acton Town. Picture attached of it waiting to head off. Didn?t want to spend loads of dosh travelling to Upminster and back (Oldies pass not valid) but will of course do the Acton museum visit next month ? far better.

However on walk around went again to the The Vault graffiti area off Lower Marsh under Waterloo Station arches. Great stuff there and far better than spraying every available public area and railway trackside throughout London town!
Came upon this painted over the entrance door.

There were a couple of guys about to do some sort of recorded interview out in the daylight area on a DSLR but at least with a tripod, additional extra tiny monitor and a little ?rifle mic? I told them there were some colour bars inside for lineup if needed.
Blank faces and a question of ?What are they?

he he!

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From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk  Mon Mar 18 05:20:55 2019
From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf)
Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2019 10:20:55 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Vinten Crane - 1961 Training
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Not really a "rival".

The Vinten Pathfinder was a close derivative of the film industry Vinten 
Everest, dating from ~1945. I ~think~ the BBC requested a powered crane 
for television, partly because manually operated dollies needed too many 
people,? so Vinten "motorised" the Pathfinder. It used essentially the 
same frame so didn't need a great deal of development.

I was surprised to see on Vinten's site that the Heron was developed 
from as early as 1955. That suggests that nobody reckoned the " 
motorised" Pathfinder as that brilliant, and indeed the use of 
individual motors on the steering wheels did make it a vicious brute to 
drive.

Chris Woolf

On 18/03/2019 10:00, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote:
> The Pathfinder was a rival dolly with a hand wound crane drive.  We had one at Southern/TVS.  I think it ended up at a college in Winchester.
> ?
> Graeme Wall
>
>
>> On 18 Mar 2019, at 09:15, Alec Bray via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Maurice Fleisher - via Bernie - in response to the BBC Training film 1961 - wrote:
>>
>> "... possibly Bernard Fox (senior cameraman) on the Cam 1 Pathfinder..."
>>
>> <djkahndjcekoilnh.png>
>>
>> I only ever knew this as the Vinten Motorised.  Did it really have a "proper" name?
>>
>>
>>
>> -- 
>>
>> Best Regards
>>
>> Alec
>>
>> Alec Bray
>>
>>
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From dudley.darby at gmail.com  Mon Mar 18 06:57:47 2019
From: dudley.darby at gmail.com (Dudley Darby)
Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2019 11:57:47 -0000
Subject: [Tech1] Vinten Crane - 1961 Training
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It is a Vinten Motorised, it never had another name apart from the company
project number. It was before the advent of bird names for the products.
Definitely Bernard Fox on the front.

 

Regards

 

Dudley

 

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Subject: [Tech1] Vinten Crane - 1961 Training

 

Hi all, 

Maurice Fleisher - via Bernie - in response to the BBC Training film 1961 -
wrote:

"... possibly Bernard Fox (senior cameraman) on the Cam 1 Pathfinder..." 



I only ever knew this as the Vinten Motorised.  Did it really have a
"proper" name?

 

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From waresound at msn.com  Mon Mar 18 07:12:00 2019
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2019 12:12:00 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Vinten Crane - 1961 Training
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When the Guildford School of Art (Film & TV course) moved into the then brand new West Surrey College of Art & Design building in Farnham, we had a smallish - but adequate for our needs - TV studio. I managed to acquire from the Beeb, for a nominal sum, a Vinten Motorised dolly and a Mole boom. Sadly the Vinten stood forlornly in a corner for a number of years, because WSCAD wouldn?t stump up the cash to buy a 110Volt DC power supply for it, not in my time there anyway.
After I left the Beeb in 1980 I lost touch with WSCAD, so I don?t know the eventual fate of said dolly.

In the run-up to the move, we had a number of meetings with the Architects and other so-called planning experts, who expressed more than a little surprise when I suggested that placing the TV and Sound studios above the Textiles Dept wasn?t a good idea. On their plans the room directly beneath us was marked: ?Noisy room?. Noisy room was planned to contain a huge weaving loom, so massive and heavy it could only be on the ground floor. With a fair amount of persuasion, we got the loom relocated to another part of the building.

I never weighed it, of course, but I often wondered whether the Vinten might be a bit on the heavy side for the 1st floor too!

Talking of Film & TV courses, I once did an ?info-mercial? in the Brighton Uni Media Studies studio. I was amused to see that the coffee table in the green room was an EMI 2001, still wearing its BBC TV badges!

Cheers,
Nick.

Sent from my iPad

On 18 Mar 2019, at 10:06, David Newbitt via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk<mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:

Agreed Alec ? we knew these as Vinten Motorised, usually just referred to as a ?Motorised?. The Pathfinder certainly existed in a number of forms, one of which was evolved for TV studio work.

Dave Newbitt.

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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Mon Mar 18 07:14:26 2019
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2019 12:14:26 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] What are colour bars?
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Even my Sony Handycam NX70 will output colour bars and tone!
Pat

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From: Mike Jordan via Tech1
Sent: 18 March 2019 10:05
To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat
Subject: [Tech1] What are colour bars?

Was out in town yesterday to see the last 1938 tube stock doing it?s final outing across town before the new signalling systems (if they ever work) make it totally incompatible and new signal box built at Acton Town. Picture attached of it waiting to head off. Didn?t want to spend loads of dosh travelling to Upminster and back (Oldies pass not valid) but will of course do the Acton museum visit next month ? far better.
?
However on walk around went again to the The Vault graffiti area off Lower Marsh under Waterloo Station arches. Great stuff there and far better than spraying every available public area and railway trackside throughout London town!
Came upon this painted over the entrance door.

There were a couple of guys about to do some sort of recorded interview out in the daylight area on a DSLR but at least with a tripod, additional extra tiny monitor and a little ?rifle mic? I told them there were some colour bars inside for lineup if needed.
Blank faces and a question of ?What are they?
?
he he!
?
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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Mon Mar 18 08:15:41 2019
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2019 13:15:41 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] What are colour bars?
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You can't do much with them any more.

On Mon, 18 Mar 2019, 12:15 patheigham via Tech1, <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
wrote:

> Even my Sony Handycam NX70 will output colour bars and tone!
>
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> *Subject: *[Tech1] What are colour bars?
>
>
>
> Was out in town yesterday to see the last 1938 tube stock doing it?s final
> outing across town before the new signalling systems (if they ever work)
> make it totally incompatible and new signal box built at Acton Town.
> Picture attached of it waiting to head off. Didn?t want to spend loads of
> dosh travelling to Upminster and back (Oldies pass not valid) but will of
> course do the Acton museum visit next month ? far better.
>
>
>
> However on walk around went again to the The Vault graffiti area off Lower
> Marsh under Waterloo Station arches. Great stuff there and far better than
> spraying every available public area and railway trackside throughout
> London town!
>
> Came upon this painted over the entrance door.
>
> [image: cid:F1C0E06E79AD40E19266E3EB59422BA4 at Gigabyte]
>
> There were a couple of guys about to do some sort of recorded interview
> out in the daylight area on a DSLR but at least with a tripod, additional
> extra tiny monitor and a little ?rifle mic? I told them there were some
> colour bars inside for lineup if needed.
>
> Blank faces and a question of ?What are they?
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Mon Mar 18 08:31:11 2019
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2019 13:31:11 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] What are colour bars?
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I suppose not. Used to be used to match colour monitors?
Now that edit suites are all fitted with computer screens, a bit academic? And we all know that Quality Control is pie in the sky, now!
No-one cares about matching programme junctions for smooth audio transitions.
End credits are still being reduced on screen, while continuity blarts noisily on about the next programme, or next week?s.
What is irritating is BBC made programmes being transmitted on digital repeat channels which chop regardless to insert commercial breaks where originally none were catered for.
Pat

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From: Bernard Newnham
Sent: 18 March 2019 13:15
To: pat.heigham
Cc: Mike Jordan; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Tech1] What are colour bars?

You can't do much with them any more.?

On Mon, 18 Mar 2019, 12:15 patheigham via Tech1, <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
Even my Sony Handycam NX70 will output colour bars and tone!
Pat
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From: Mike Jordan via Tech1
Sent: 18 March 2019 10:05
To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat
Subject: [Tech1] What are colour bars?
?
Was out in town yesterday to see the last 1938 tube stock doing it?s final outing across town before the new signalling systems (if they ever work) make it totally incompatible and new signal box built at Acton Town. Picture attached of it waiting to head off. Didn?t want to spend loads of dosh travelling to Upminster and back (Oldies pass not valid) but will of course do the Acton museum visit next month ? far better.
?
However on walk around went again to the The Vault graffiti area off Lower Marsh under Waterloo Station arches. Great stuff there and far better than spraying every available public area and railway trackside throughout London town!
Came upon this painted over the entrance door.

There were a couple of guys about to do some sort of recorded interview out in the daylight area on a DSLR but at least with a tripod, additional extra tiny monitor and a little ?rifle mic? I told them there were some colour bars inside for lineup if needed.
Blank faces and a question of ?What are they?
?
he he!
?
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From ian.hillson at gmail.com  Mon Mar 18 08:47:49 2019
From: ian.hillson at gmail.com (Ian H)
Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2019 13:47:49 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] What are colour bars?
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"Used to be used to match colour monitors?"

Nah - there were much better things for that.  100% ones used mainly in the
line-up of kit and for testing circuits. You had to make sure that these
didn't escape via the transmitter though... only 95% ones.

I

On Mon, Mar 18, 2019 at 1:31 PM patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
wrote:

> I suppose not. Used to be used to match colour monitors?
>
> Now that edit suites are all fitted with computer screens, a bit academic?
> And we all know that Quality Control is pie in the sky, now!
>
> No-one cares about matching programme junctions for smooth audio
> transitions.
>
> End credits are still being reduced on screen, while continuity blarts
> noisily on about the next programme, or next week?s.
>
> What is irritating is BBC made programmes being transmitted on digital
> repeat channels which chop regardless to insert commercial breaks where
> originally none were catered for.
>
> Pat
>
>
>
> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
> Windows 10
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> *From: *Bernard Newnham <bernie833 at gmail.com>
> *Sent: *18 March 2019 13:15
> *To: *pat.heigham <pat.heigham at amps.net>
> *Cc: *Mike Jordan <mikej at bmanor.co.uk>; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> *Subject: *Re: [Tech1] What are colour bars?
>
>
>
> You can't do much with them any more.
>
>
>
> On Mon, 18 Mar 2019, 12:15 patheigham via Tech1, <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
> Even my Sony Handycam NX70 will output colour bars and tone!
>
> Pat
>
>
>
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> *From: *Mike Jordan via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> *Sent: *18 March 2019 10:05
> *To: *Tech-Ops-chit-chat <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> *Subject: *[Tech1] What are colour bars?
>
>
>
> Was out in town yesterday to see the last 1938 tube stock doing it?s final
> outing across town before the new signalling systems (if they ever work)
> make it totally incompatible and new signal box built at Acton Town.
> Picture attached of it waiting to head off. Didn?t want to spend loads of
> dosh travelling to Upminster and back (Oldies pass not valid) but will of
> course do the Acton museum visit next month ? far better.
>
>
>
> However on walk around went again to the The Vault graffiti area off Lower
> Marsh under Waterloo Station arches. Great stuff there and far better than
> spraying every available public area and railway trackside throughout
> London town!
>
> Came upon this painted over the entrance door.
>
> There were a couple of guys about to do some sort of recorded interview
> out in the daylight area on a DSLR but at least with a tripod, additional
> extra tiny monitor and a little ?rifle mic? I told them there were some
> colour bars inside for lineup if needed.
>
> Blank faces and a question of ?What are they?
>
>
>
> he he!
>
>
>
> Mike
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Mon Mar 18 09:13:11 2019
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2019 14:13:11 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] What are colour bars?
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I haven?t seen a broadcast test card for years. Sometimes I see residents? TV?s off our flat blocks distribution system, and my fingers itch to correct the colour display, mostly over saturated, but if they are happy?..
I seem to remember that the TA?s used to say that first ?take out the colour? then adjust the B/W picture for best contrast and brightness, then wind in the colour to a pleasant degree.
Now with LED, OLED and whatever else, and screens with backlight, which must affect the brightness, there are so many variables to bugger up a picture, now.
Still, audio suffers from rear facing speakers on domestic sets, assuming that viewers plonk them across a corner? Or tiny front facing ones with are pitiful, requiring anyone with a need for better sound to spend loads more dosh on a ?sound-bar?.
Well, my sound goes via a hi-fi rig (Nick ? still loving the BNS speakers!), but I fear I?m getting deafer with age ? pity we cannot buy and install new ears.
Interesting that most (now) elderly recordists who always worked with headphones, are wearing hearing aids. So were headsets a health hazard? (and what about airline pilots?)

Pat


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From: Ian H
Sent: 18 March 2019 13:48
To: patheigham
Cc: Bernard Newnham; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Tech1] What are colour bars?

"Used to be used to match colour monitors?"

Nah - there were much better things for that.? 100% ones used mainly in the line-up of kit and for testing circuits. You had to make sure that these didn't escape via the transmitter though... only 95% ones.

I

On Mon, Mar 18, 2019 at 1:31 PM patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
I suppose not. Used to be used to match colour monitors?
Now that edit suites are all fitted with computer screens, a bit academic? And we all know that Quality Control is pie in the sky, now!
No-one cares about matching programme junctions for smooth audio transitions.
End credits are still being reduced on screen, while continuity blarts noisily on about the next programme, or next week?s.
What is irritating is BBC made programmes being transmitted on digital repeat channels which chop regardless to insert commercial breaks where originally none were catered for.
Pat
?
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?
From: Bernard Newnham
Sent: 18 March 2019 13:15
To: pat.heigham
Cc: Mike Jordan; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Tech1] What are colour bars?
?
You can't do much with them any more.?
?
On Mon, 18 Mar 2019, 12:15 patheigham via Tech1, <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
Even my Sony Handycam NX70 will output colour bars and tone!
Pat
?
Sent from Mail for Windows 10
?
From: Mike Jordan via Tech1
Sent: 18 March 2019 10:05
To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat
Subject: [Tech1] What are colour bars?
?
Was out in town yesterday to see the last 1938 tube stock doing it?s final outing across town before the new signalling systems (if they ever work) make it totally incompatible and new signal box built at Acton Town. Picture attached of it waiting to head off. Didn?t want to spend loads of dosh travelling to Upminster and back (Oldies pass not valid) but will of course do the Acton museum visit next month ? far better.
?
However on walk around went again to the The Vault graffiti area off Lower Marsh under Waterloo Station arches. Great stuff there and far better than spraying every available public area and railway trackside throughout London town!
Came upon this painted over the entrance door.
There were a couple of guys about to do some sort of recorded interview out in the daylight area on a DSLR but at least with a tripod, additional extra tiny monitor and a little ?rifle mic? I told them there were some colour bars inside for lineup if needed.
Blank faces and a question of ?What are they?
?
he he!
?
Mike
?
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From dave at davesound.co.uk  Mon Mar 18 09:13:21 2019
From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman)
Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2019 14:13:21 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Tech1] 1961
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In article <E1712ACEE6574EC18DCA12CEA1B4A8D8 at CustomPC>,
   Dudley Darby <dudley.darby at gmail.com> wrote:
> It was the Philips (Peto Scott) PC60 I think Dave. We had them in PresB,
> but didn't use the indicators. They were like a segemnt on top of the
> camera which rose as you went wider.

That would make sense, as I don't remember it ending up on any camera used
in the main production studios in London.

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From mike.jdg.minchin at gmail.com  Mon Mar 18 09:36:46 2019
From: mike.jdg.minchin at gmail.com (Mike)
Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2019 14:36:46 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Deafness from wearing cans
Message-ID: <9e421560-8a53-b032-94b5-caa2f41633af@gmail.com>

I'm no sound man, but I am definitely deaf in one ear.? I put it down to 
wearing one can on, t'other ear naked to the studio (so I could hear 
what was around me!)? It means that now I can bury my "good ear" in the 
pillow when I'm trying to get to sleep!? I discovered this when I was 
visiting a friend, and the spare/guest bedroom had a loud ticking clock.

Michael M.



From keithwicksuk at gmail.com  Mon Mar 18 09:45:23 2019
From: keithwicksuk at gmail.com (Keith Wicks)
Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2019 14:45:23 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] What are colour bars?
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Even worse than adding commercials where none were originally planned is
the fact that chunks of programme are deleted to make room for the
commercials. However, with so much repetition within BBC programmes these
days, it might be argued that, sometimes, this is actually an improvement.
KW

On Mon, 18 Mar 2019 at 13:31, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
wrote:

> I suppose not. Used to be used to match colour monitors?
>
> Now that edit suites are all fitted with computer screens, a bit academic?
> And we all know that Quality Control is pie in the sky, now!
>
> No-one cares about matching programme junctions for smooth audio
> transitions.
>
> End credits are still being reduced on screen, while continuity blarts
> noisily on about the next programme, or next week?s.
>
> What is irritating is BBC made programmes being transmitted on digital
> repeat channels which chop regardless to insert commercial breaks where
> originally none were catered for.
>
> Pat
>
>
>
> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
> Windows 10
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>
>
> *From: *Bernard Newnham <bernie833 at gmail.com>
> *Sent: *18 March 2019 13:15
> *To: *pat.heigham <pat.heigham at amps.net>
> *Cc: *Mike Jordan <mikej at bmanor.co.uk>; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> *Subject: *Re: [Tech1] What are colour bars?
>
>
>
> You can't do much with them any more.
>
>
>
> On Mon, 18 Mar 2019, 12:15 patheigham via Tech1, <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
> Even my Sony Handycam NX70 will output colour bars and tone!
>
> Pat
>
>
>
> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
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> *From: *Mike Jordan via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> *Sent: *18 March 2019 10:05
> *To: *Tech-Ops-chit-chat <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> *Subject: *[Tech1] What are colour bars?
>
>
>
> Was out in town yesterday to see the last 1938 tube stock doing it?s final
> outing across town before the new signalling systems (if they ever work)
> make it totally incompatible and new signal box built at Acton Town.
> Picture attached of it waiting to head off. Didn?t want to spend loads of
> dosh travelling to Upminster and back (Oldies pass not valid) but will of
> course do the Acton museum visit next month ? far better.
>
>
>
> However on walk around went again to the The Vault graffiti area off Lower
> Marsh under Waterloo Station arches. Great stuff there and far better than
> spraying every available public area and railway trackside throughout
> London town!
>
> Came upon this painted over the entrance door.
>
> There were a couple of guys about to do some sort of recorded interview
> out in the daylight area on a DSLR but at least with a tripod, additional
> extra tiny monitor and a little ?rifle mic? I told them there were some
> colour bars inside for lineup if needed.
>
> Blank faces and a question of ?What are they?
>
>
>
> he he!
>
>
>
> Mike
>
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>
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Mon Mar 18 09:49:44 2019
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2019 14:49:44 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Deafness from wearing cans
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I would have put the clock outside the room!
In order not to disturb my neighbours in adjoining flats, on keeping my radio on all night, I wear my HD25 cans, on one ear or the other.
Earbuds fall out. I find that R4 or World Service engenders sleep!
But it?s quite nice to wake up an listen to a good play. Plays hell with your dreams, though!
Pat

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From: Mike via Tech1
Sent: 18 March 2019 14:37
To: patheigham via Tech1
Subject: [Tech1] Deafness from wearing cans

I'm no sound man, but I am definitely deaf in one ear.? I put it down to 
wearing one can on, t'other ear naked to the studio (so I could hear 
what was around me!)? It means that now I can bury my "good ear" in the 
pillow when I'm trying to get to sleep!? I discovered this when I was 
visiting a friend, and the spare/guest bedroom had a loud ticking clock.

Michael M.


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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Mon Mar 18 09:58:06 2019
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2019 14:58:06 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] unintended commercial breaks
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Didn?t know that, Keith.
I believe that most 30? progs were usually timed to about 27? which would give the repeat channels at least 3 mins of adverts, six if butted up to the next offering.
Any idea if foreign sales to commercial running channels/countries required shortened versions?
Pat

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From: Keith Wicks
Sent: 18 March 2019 14:45
To: patheigham
Cc: Bernard Newnham; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Tech1] What are colour bars?

Even worse than adding commercials where none were originally planned is the fact that chunks of programme are deleted to make room for the commercials. However, with so much repetition within BBC programmes these days, it might be argued that, sometimes, this is actually an improvement.
KW

On Mon, 18 Mar 2019 at 13:31, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
I suppose not. Used to be used to match colour monitors?
Now that edit suites are all fitted with computer screens, a bit academic? And we all know that Quality Control is pie in the sky, now!
No-one cares about matching programme junctions for smooth audio transitions.
End credits are still being reduced on screen, while continuity blarts noisily on about the next programme, or next week?s.
What is irritating is BBC made programmes being transmitted on digital repeat channels which chop regardless to insert commercial breaks where originally none were catered for.
Pat
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From: Bernard Newnham
Sent: 18 March 2019 13:15
To: pat.heigham
Cc: Mike Jordan; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Tech1] What are colour bars?
?
You can't do much with them any more.?
?
On Mon, 18 Mar 2019, 12:15 patheigham via Tech1, <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
Even my Sony Handycam NX70 will output colour bars and tone!
Pat
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From: Mike Jordan via Tech1
Sent: 18 March 2019 10:05
To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat
Subject: [Tech1] What are colour bars?
?
Was out in town yesterday to see the last 1938 tube stock doing it?s final outing across town before the new signalling systems (if they ever work) make it totally incompatible and new signal box built at Acton Town. Picture attached of it waiting to head off. Didn?t want to spend loads of dosh travelling to Upminster and back (Oldies pass not valid) but will of course do the Acton museum visit next month ? far better.
?
However on walk around went again to the The Vault graffiti area off Lower Marsh under Waterloo Station arches. Great stuff there and far better than spraying every available public area and railway trackside throughout London town!
Came upon this painted over the entrance door.
There were a couple of guys about to do some sort of recorded interview out in the daylight area on a DSLR but at least with a tripod, additional extra tiny monitor and a little ?rifle mic? I told them there were some colour bars inside for lineup if needed.
Blank faces and a question of ?What are they?
?
he he!
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From martin at theeccles.uk  Mon Mar 18 11:18:02 2019
From: martin at theeccles.uk (Martin Eccles)
Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2019 16:18:02 -0000
Subject: [Tech1] 1961
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As a boom operator I used to use the angle of tilt of a camera (Emi 2001) to
determine whether it was zoomed out
so tilted down to stop shooting off the top of the set or pointing straight
at an artist when zoomed in.

The camera person's fingers out or in movement on the zoom control also gave
away a change of shot.
Good camera persons would just have to point a finger upwards to indicate
you were still in the next shot by a fraction
and then the thumb would come up if corrected, not to mention the vision
mixer's rare cry of "boom up" and then the cut was made.

All this as well as being mindful of shadows and following the script with
the major moves marked up 
and why did makeup ladies always stand in front of the monitor just as the
vital shot change was about to happen?
Martin.

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Sent: 18 March 2019 14:13
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Subject: Re: [Tech1] 1961

In article <E1712ACEE6574EC18DCA12CEA1B4A8D8 at CustomPC>,
   Dudley Darby <dudley.darby at gmail.com> wrote:
> It was the Philips (Peto Scott) PC60 I think Dave. We had them in 
> PresB, but didn't use the indicators. They were like a segemnt on top 
> of the camera which rose as you went wider.

That would make sense, as I don't remember it ending up on any camera used
in the main production studios in London.

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From martin at theeccles.uk  Mon Mar 18 11:18:02 2019
From: martin at theeccles.uk (Martin Eccles)
Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2019 16:18:02 -0000
Subject: [Tech1] What are colour bars?
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There is the test card with Glits tones on BBC 2 in the early hours of the morning.

Unfortunately not at a specific time.

Martin.

 

From: Tech1 <tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk> On Behalf Of patheigham via Tech1
Sent: 18 March 2019 14:13
To: Ian H <ian.hillson at gmail.com>
Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Tech1] What are colour bars?

 

I haven?t seen a broadcast test card for years. Sometimes I see residents? TV?s off our flat blocks distribution system, and my fingers itch to correct the colour display, mostly over saturated, but if they are happy?..

I seem to remember that the TA?s used to say that first ?take out the colour? then adjust the B/W picture for best contrast and brightness, then wind in the colour to a pleasant degree.

Now with LED, OLED and whatever else, and screens with backlight, which must affect the brightness, there are so many variables to bugger up a picture, now.

Still, audio suffers from rear facing speakers on domestic sets, assuming that viewers plonk them across a corner? Or tiny front facing ones with are pitiful, requiring anyone with a need for better sound to spend loads more dosh on a ?sound-bar?.

Well, my sound goes via a hi-fi rig (Nick ? still loving the BNS speakers!), but I fear I?m getting deafer with age ? pity we cannot buy and install new ears.

Interesting that most (now) elderly recordists who always worked with headphones, are wearing hearing aids. So were headsets a health hazard? (and what about airline pilots?)

 

Pat

 

 

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From: Ian H <mailto:ian.hillson at gmail.com> 
Sent: 18 March 2019 13:48
To: patheigham <mailto:pat.heigham at amps.net> 
Cc: Bernard Newnham <mailto:bernie833 at gmail.com> ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> 
Subject: Re: [Tech1] What are colour bars?

 

"Used to be used to match colour monitors?"

 

Nah - there were much better things for that.  100% ones used mainly in the line-up of kit and for testing circuits. You had to make sure that these didn't escape via the transmitter though... only 95% ones.

 

I

 

On Mon, Mar 18, 2019 at 1:31 PM patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> > wrote:

I suppose not. Used to be used to match colour monitors?

Now that edit suites are all fitted with computer screens, a bit academic? And we all know that Quality Control is pie in the sky, now!

No-one cares about matching programme junctions for smooth audio transitions.

End credits are still being reduced on screen, while continuity blarts noisily on about the next programme, or next week?s.

What is irritating is BBC made programmes being transmitted on digital repeat channels which chop regardless to insert commercial breaks where originally none were catered for.

Pat

 

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From: Bernard Newnham <mailto:bernie833 at gmail.com> 
Sent: 18 March 2019 13:15
To: pat.heigham <mailto:pat.heigham at amps.net> 
Cc: Mike Jordan <mailto:mikej at bmanor.co.uk> ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> 
Subject: Re: [Tech1] What are colour bars?

 

You can't do much with them any more. 

 

On Mon, 18 Mar 2019, 12:15 patheigham via Tech1, <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> > wrote:

Even my Sony Handycam NX70 will output colour bars and tone!

Pat

 

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From: Mike Jordan via Tech1 <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> 
Sent: 18 March 2019 10:05
To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> 
Subject: [Tech1] What are colour bars?

 

Was out in town yesterday to see the last 1938 tube stock doing it?s final outing across town before the new signalling systems (if they ever work) make it totally incompatible and new signal box built at Acton Town. Picture attached of it waiting to head off. Didn?t want to spend loads of dosh travelling to Upminster and back (Oldies pass not valid) but will of course do the Acton museum visit next month ? far better.

 

However on walk around went again to the The Vault graffiti area off Lower Marsh under Waterloo Station arches. Great stuff there and far better than spraying every available public area and railway trackside throughout London town!

Came upon this painted over the entrance door.

There were a couple of guys about to do some sort of recorded interview out in the daylight area on a DSLR but at least with a tripod, additional extra tiny monitor and a little ?rifle mic? I told them there were some colour bars inside for lineup if needed.

Blank faces and a question of ?What are they?

 

he he!

 

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From tonys at tonyscott.org.uk  Mon Mar 18 11:24:52 2019
From: tonys at tonyscott.org.uk (Tony Scott)
Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2019 16:24:52 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] What are colour bars?
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You can access the test card on Freeview using the following button
sequence

https://forums.digitalspy.com/discussion/2248655/freeview-test-card

ie "Channel 250, wait for full image, press yellow button, move channel
down one, then back to 250, wait for full image to appear, press green
button which gives you access to options: press green for Test card. "
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On Mon, 18 Mar 2019 at 16:18, Martin Eccles via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
wrote:

> There is the test card with Glits tones on BBC 2 in the early hours of the
> morning.
>
> Unfortunately not at a specific time.
>
> Martin.
>
>
>
> *From:* Tech1 <tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk> *On Behalf Of *patheigham
> via Tech1
> *Sent:* 18 March 2019 14:13
> *To:* Ian H <ian.hillson at gmail.com>
> *Cc:* tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> *Subject:* Re: [Tech1] What are colour bars?
>
>
>
> I haven?t seen a broadcast test card for years. Sometimes I see residents?
> TV?s off our flat blocks distribution system, and my fingers itch to
> correct the colour display, mostly over saturated, but if they are happy?..
>
> I seem to remember that the TA?s used to say that first ?take out the
> colour? then adjust the B/W picture for best contrast and brightness, then
> wind in the colour to a pleasant degree.
>
> Now with LED, OLED and whatever else, and screens with backlight, which
> must affect the brightness, there are so many variables to bugger up a
> picture, now.
>
> Still, audio suffers from rear facing speakers on domestic sets, assuming
> that viewers plonk them across a corner? Or tiny front facing ones with are
> pitiful, requiring anyone with a need for better sound to spend loads more
> dosh on a ?sound-bar?.
>
> Well, my sound goes via a hi-fi rig (Nick ? still loving the BNS
> speakers!), but I fear I?m getting deafer with age ? pity we cannot buy and
> install new ears.
>
> Interesting that most (now) elderly recordists who always worked with
> headphones, are wearing hearing aids. So were headsets a health hazard?
> (and what about airline pilots?)
>
>
>
> Pat
>
>
>
>
>
> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
> Windows 10
>
>
>
> *From: *Ian H <ian.hillson at gmail.com>
> *Sent: *18 March 2019 13:48
> *To: *patheigham <pat.heigham at amps.net>
> *Cc: *Bernard Newnham <bernie833 at gmail.com>; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> *Subject: *Re: [Tech1] What are colour bars?
>
>
>
> "Used to be used to match colour monitors?"
>
>
>
> Nah - there were much better things for that.  100% ones used mainly in
> the line-up of kit and for testing circuits. You had to make sure that
> these didn't escape via the transmitter though... only 95% ones.
>
>
>
> I
>
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 18, 2019 at 1:31 PM patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
> I suppose not. Used to be used to match colour monitors?
>
> Now that edit suites are all fitted with computer screens, a bit academic?
> And we all know that Quality Control is pie in the sky, now!
>
> No-one cares about matching programme junctions for smooth audio
> transitions.
>
> End credits are still being reduced on screen, while continuity blarts
> noisily on about the next programme, or next week?s.
>
> What is irritating is BBC made programmes being transmitted on digital
> repeat channels which chop regardless to insert commercial breaks where
> originally none were catered for.
>
> Pat
>
>
>
> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
> Windows 10
>
>
>
> *From: *Bernard Newnham <bernie833 at gmail.com>
> *Sent: *18 March 2019 13:15
> *To: *pat.heigham <pat.heigham at amps.net>
> *Cc: *Mike Jordan <mikej at bmanor.co.uk>; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> *Subject: *Re: [Tech1] What are colour bars?
>
>
>
> You can't do much with them any more.
>
>
>
> On Mon, 18 Mar 2019, 12:15 patheigham via Tech1, <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
> Even my Sony Handycam NX70 will output colour bars and tone!
>
> Pat
>
>
>
> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
> Windows 10
>
>
>
> *From: *Mike Jordan via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> *Sent: *18 March 2019 10:05
> *To: *Tech-Ops-chit-chat <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> *Subject: *[Tech1] What are colour bars?
>
>
>
> Was out in town yesterday to see the last 1938 tube stock doing it?s final
> outing across town before the new signalling systems (if they ever work)
> make it totally incompatible and new signal box built at Acton Town.
> Picture attached of it waiting to head off. Didn?t want to spend loads of
> dosh travelling to Upminster and back (Oldies pass not valid) but will of
> course do the Acton museum visit next month ? far better.
>
>
>
> However on walk around went again to the The Vault graffiti area off Lower
> Marsh under Waterloo Station arches. Great stuff there and far better than
> spraying every available public area and railway trackside throughout
> London town!
>
> Came upon this painted over the entrance door.
>
> There were a couple of guys about to do some sort of recorded interview
> out in the daylight area on a DSLR but at least with a tripod, additional
> extra tiny monitor and a little ?rifle mic? I told them there were some
> colour bars inside for lineup if needed.
>
> Blank faces and a question of ?What are they?
>
>
>
> he he!
>
>
>
> Mike
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>
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From vernon.dyer at btinternet.com  Mon Mar 18 13:35:07 2019
From: vernon.dyer at btinternet.com (vernon.dyer)
Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2019 18:35:07 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Vinten Crane - 1961 Training
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Yes, I agree, Dudley. There was such a beast as a Pathfinder, but it was a non-motorised version used on OBs, I think. Was it made by Vintens, does anyone know??Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.Subject: Re: [Tech1] Vinten Crane - 1961 Training 



It is a Vinten Motorised, it never had
another name apart from the company project number. It was before the advent of
bird names for the products. Definitely Bernard Fox on the front.

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From rogerbunce at btinternet.com  Mon Mar 18 13:36:29 2019
From: rogerbunce at btinternet.com (ROGER BUNCE)
Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2019 18:36:29 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tech1] What are colour bars?
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 Any mention of colour bars always reminds John Shepherd, talented and witty Evesham lecturer, giving a course to convert film people into video people. No need for a clapper board any more, he explained. Just put a burst of colour bars and tone at the begging of the tape. If you don't get a chance to put colour bars at the beginning, you can put them at the end, but turn them upside-down!
luv, Rog.

    On Monday, 18 March 2019, 14:22:01 GMT, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:  
 
 
I suppose not. Used to be used to match colour monitors?

Now that edit suites are all fitted with computer screens, a bit academic? And we all know that Quality Control is pie in the sky, now!

No-one cares about matching programme junctions for smooth audio transitions.

End credits are still being reduced on screen, while continuity blarts noisily on about the next programme, or next week?s.

What is irritating is BBC made programmes being transmitted on digital repeat channels which chop regardless to insert commercial breaks where originally none were catered for.

Pat

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From: Bernard Newnham
Sent: 18 March 2019 13:15
To: pat.heigham
Cc: Mike Jordan; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Tech1] What are colour bars?

 ?

You can't do much with them any more.?

 ?

On Mon, 18 Mar 2019, 12:15 patheigham via Tech1, <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:


Even my Sony Handycam NX70 will output colour bars and tone!

Pat

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?

From: Mike Jordan via Tech1
Sent: 18 March 2019 10:05
To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat
Subject: [Tech1] What are colour bars?

?

Was out in town yesterday to see the last 1938 tube stock doing it?s final outing across town before the new signalling systems (if they ever work) make it totally incompatible and new signal box built at Acton Town. Picture attached of it waiting to head off. Didn?t want to spend loads of dosh travelling to Upminster and back (Oldies pass not valid) but will of course do the Acton museum visit next month ? far better.

?

However on walk around went again to the The Vault graffiti area off Lower Marsh under Waterloo Station arches. Great stuff there and far better than spraying every available public area and railway trackside throughout London town!

Came upon this painted over the entrance door.



There were a couple of guys about to do some sort of recorded interview out in the daylight area on a DSLR but at least with a tripod, additional extra tiny monitor and a little ?rifle mic? I told them there were some colour bars inside for lineup if needed.

Blank faces and a question of ?What are they?

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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Mon Mar 18 14:39:13 2019
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2019 19:39:13 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] 1961
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From: Martin Eccles via Tech1
Sent: 18 March 2019 16:18
Subject: Re: [Tech1] 1961

As a boom operator I used to use the angle of tilt of a camera (Emi 2001) to
determine whether it was zoomed out
so tilted down to stop shooting off the top of the set or pointing straight
at an artist when zoomed in.
Interesting, Martin, never thought of that, used to seeing a monitor.
After I left I believe that 9? monitors were fitted to booms, where the SS could punch up the following wide shot.

The camera person's fingers out or in movement on the zoom control also gave
away a change of shot.
Good camera persons would just have to point a finger upwards to indicate
you were still in the next shot by a fraction
and then the thumb would come up if corrected, not to mention the vision
mixer's rare cry of "boom up" and then the cut was made.
This was so different in the Film Industry ? I went o take a peek through the viewfinder, to be turfed off by the operator with: ?I?m the one who looks?
Asking for a top limit ? tilted up, said you?re OK there, and tilted back down,
NOT Good enough!

All this as well as being mindful of shadows and following the script with
the major moves marked up.
In films, it was essential to make friends with the gaffer spark to get flags set to minimise shadows.
and why did makeup ladies always stand in front of the monitor just as the
vital shot change was about to happen?
So you remonstrate with them and invite them out to dinner?
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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Mon Mar 18 16:45:01 2019
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2019 21:45:01 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Bill
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Just a quick query Pat, is there anyone you haven't worked for? Cecil B. 
de Mille for example? Cheers, Dave


From keithwicksuk at gmail.com  Tue Mar 19 01:39:52 2019
From: keithwicksuk at gmail.com (Keith Wicks)
Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2019 06:39:52 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] unintended commercial breaks
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I didn't have any evidence to hand, so I checked a couple of yesterday's
programmes: Homes Under the Hammer (on Home), and Antiques Road Trip (on
Really). Both programmes had 60-minute slots when originally broadcast by
the BBC and had durations of about 59 minutes. But, on the repeat channels,
three commercial slots of about 5 minutes each took the programme content
down to about 44 minutes in each case.

This does not always happen. For example, I have a recording of a Judge
John Deed programme from Drama channel. The original duration is given by
the BBC as 90 minutes, and Drama's transmission, including adverts, was 120
minutes. So little, if any, cutting there.

Of course, the antiques and homes programmes contain a lot of stuff that
can be cut without a problem. In fact I usually watch no more than the last
15 minutes of antiques auction programmes as I'm interested in the results,
but fed up with the poor and repeated attempts at humour throughout. But
Judge John Deed is so tight and well written that it would usually be
disastrous to cut out a few lines.

I first noticed cuts on repeat channels when looking at the durations of
broadcast feature films compared with their original lengths. I was
horrified to find that even the BBC usually found a need to cut parts out.
They sometimes warn that cuts *may* be made for content containing sex,
drugs or violence, but that seems to mean that such cuts *have* been made.
And, on a repeats channel, I found that further cuts of about 15 minutes
were not uncommon. Personally, I prefer to see films in their entirety.

Sorry, Pat, I know nothing about the possible production of shorter
versions for foreign sales, or even for UK sales. But I expect someone here
has the information you require.

KW

On Mon, 18 Mar 2019 at 14:58, patheigham <pat.heigham at amps.net> wrote:

> Didn?t know that, Keith.
>
> I believe that most 30? progs were usually timed to about 27? which would
> give the repeat channels at least 3 mins of adverts, six if butted up to
> the next offering.
>
> Any idea if foreign sales to commercial running channels/countries
> required shortened versions?
>
> Pat
>
>
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> *From: *Keith Wicks <keithwicksuk at gmail.com>
> *Sent: *18 March 2019 14:45
> *To: *patheigham <pat.heigham at amps.net>
> *Cc: *Bernard Newnham <bernie833 at gmail.com>; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> *Subject: *Re: [Tech1] What are colour bars?
>
>
>
> Even worse than adding commercials where none were originally planned is
> the fact that chunks of programme are deleted to make room for the
> commercials. However, with so much repetition within BBC programmes these
> days, it might be argued that, sometimes, this is actually an improvement.
>
> KW
>
>
>
> On Mon, 18 Mar 2019 at 13:31, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
> I suppose not. Used to be used to match colour monitors?
>
> Now that edit suites are all fitted with computer screens, a bit academic?
> And we all know that Quality Control is pie in the sky, now!
>
> No-one cares about matching programme junctions for smooth audio
> transitions.
>
> End credits are still being reduced on screen, while continuity blarts
> noisily on about the next programme, or next week?s.
>
> What is irritating is BBC made programmes being transmitted on digital
> repeat channels which chop regardless to insert commercial breaks where
> originally none were catered for.
>
> Pat
>
>
>
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> *From: *Bernard Newnham <bernie833 at gmail.com>
> *Sent: *18 March 2019 13:15
> *To: *pat.heigham <pat.heigham at amps.net>
> *Cc: *Mike Jordan <mikej at bmanor.co.uk>; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> *Subject: *Re: [Tech1] What are colour bars?
>
>
>
> You can't do much with them any more.
>
>
>
> On Mon, 18 Mar 2019, 12:15 patheigham via Tech1, <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
> Even my Sony Handycam NX70 will output colour bars and tone!
>
> Pat
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> *From: *Mike Jordan via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> *Sent: *18 March 2019 10:05
> *To: *Tech-Ops-chit-chat <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> *Subject: *[Tech1] What are colour bars?
>
>
>
> Was out in town yesterday to see the last 1938 tube stock doing it?s final
> outing across town before the new signalling systems (if they ever work)
> make it totally incompatible and new signal box built at Acton Town.
> Picture attached of it waiting to head off. Didn?t want to spend loads of
> dosh travelling to Upminster and back (Oldies pass not valid) but will of
> course do the Acton museum visit next month ? far better.
>
>
>
> However on walk around went again to the The Vault graffiti area off Lower
> Marsh under Waterloo Station arches. Great stuff there and far better than
> spraying every available public area and railway trackside throughout
> London town!
>
> Came upon this painted over the entrance door.
>
> There were a couple of guys about to do some sort of recorded interview
> out in the daylight area on a DSLR but at least with a tripod, additional
> extra tiny monitor and a little ?rifle mic? I told them there were some
> colour bars inside for lineup if needed.
>
> Blank faces and a question of ?What are they?
>
>
>
> he he!
>
>
>
> Mike
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>
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From mibridge at mac.com  Tue Mar 19 03:32:06 2019
From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles)
Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2019 08:32:06 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] unintended commercial breaks
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On your point about picture set up, Pat, I find that even having adjusted things to produce natural faces and tastefully saturated colours on one programme, probably something done outdoors, then a lot of studio stuff has people looking like powder puffs - Strictly and Pointless are prime culprits. 

Mike G

> On 19 Mar 2019, at 06:39, Keith Wicks via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> I didn't have any evidence to hand, so I checked a couple of yesterday's programmes: Homes Under the Hammer (on Home), and Antiques Road Trip (on Really). Both programmes had 60-minute slots when originally broadcast by the BBC and had durations of about 59 minutes. But, on the repeat channels, three commercial slots of about 5 minutes each took the programme content down to about 44 minutes in each case.
> 
> This does not always happen. For example, I have a recording of a Judge John Deed programme from Drama channel. The original duration is given by the BBC as 90 minutes, and Drama's transmission, including adverts, was 120 minutes. So little, if any, cutting there.
> 
> Of course, the antiques and homes programmes contain a lot of stuff that can be cut without a problem. In fact I usually watch no more than the last 15 minutes of antiques auction programmes as I'm interested in the results, but fed up with the poor and repeated attempts at humour throughout. But Judge John Deed is so tight and well written that it would usually be disastrous to cut out a few lines.
> 
> I first noticed cuts on repeat channels when looking at the durations of broadcast feature films compared with their original lengths. I was horrified to find that even the BBC usually found a need to cut parts out. They sometimes warn that cuts may be made for content containing sex, drugs or violence, but that seems to mean that such cuts have been made. And, on a repeats channel, I found that further cuts of about 15 minutes were not uncommon. Personally, I prefer to see films in their entirety.
> 
> Sorry, Pat, I know nothing about the possible production of shorter versions for foreign sales, or even for UK sales. But I expect someone here has the information you require.
> 
> KW
> 
>> On Mon, 18 Mar 2019 at 14:58, patheigham <pat.heigham at amps.net> wrote:
>> Didn?t know that, Keith.
>> 
>> I believe that most 30? progs were usually timed to about 27? which would give the repeat channels at least 3 mins of adverts, six if butted up to the next offering.
>> 
>> Any idea if foreign sales to commercial running channels/countries required shortened versions?
>> 
>> Pat
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
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>>  
>> 
>> From: Keith Wicks
>> Sent: 18 March 2019 14:45
>> To: patheigham
>> Cc: Bernard Newnham; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] What are colour bars?
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Even worse than adding commercials where none were originally planned is the fact that chunks of programme are deleted to make room for the commercials. However, with so much repetition within BBC programmes these days, it might be argued that, sometimes, this is actually an improvement.
>> 
>> KW
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> On Mon, 18 Mar 2019 at 13:31, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> I suppose not. Used to be used to match colour monitors?
>> 
>> Now that edit suites are all fitted with computer screens, a bit academic? And we all know that Quality Control is pie in the sky, now!
>> 
>> No-one cares about matching programme junctions for smooth audio transitions.
>> 
>> End credits are still being reduced on screen, while continuity blarts noisily on about the next programme, or next week?s.
>> 
>> What is irritating is BBC made programmes being transmitted on digital repeat channels which chop regardless to insert commercial breaks where originally none were catered for.
>> 
>> Pat
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> From: Bernard Newnham
>> Sent: 18 March 2019 13:15
>> To: pat.heigham
>> Cc: Mike Jordan; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] What are colour bars?
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> You can't do much with them any more. 
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> On Mon, 18 Mar 2019, 12:15 patheigham via Tech1, <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> Even my Sony Handycam NX70 will output colour bars and tone!
>> 
>> Pat
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> From: Mike Jordan via Tech1
>> Sent: 18 March 2019 10:05
>> To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat
>> Subject: [Tech1] What are colour bars?
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Was out in town yesterday to see the last 1938 tube stock doing it?s final outing across town before the new signalling systems (if they ever work) make it totally incompatible and new signal box built at Acton Town. Picture attached of it waiting to head off. Didn?t want to spend loads of dosh travelling to Upminster and back (Oldies pass not valid) but will of course do the Acton museum visit next month ? far better.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> However on walk around went again to the The Vault graffiti area off Lower Marsh under Waterloo Station arches. Great stuff there and far better than spraying every available public area and railway trackside throughout London town!
>> 
>> Came upon this painted over the entrance door.
>> 
>> There were a couple of guys about to do some sort of recorded interview out in the daylight area on a DSLR but at least with a tripod, additional extra tiny monitor and a little ?rifle mic? I told them there were some colour bars inside for lineup if needed.
>> 
>> Blank faces and a question of ?What are they?
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> he he!
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Mike
>> 
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From davidvbrunt at gmail.com  Tue Mar 19 05:17:03 2019
From: davidvbrunt at gmail.com (David Brunt)
Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2019 10:17:03 -0000
Subject: [Tech1] unintended commercial breaks
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Programmes shown on BBC America are almost always cut for adverts, as supplied by the Beeb.  Hour long programmes run for 45 or 50 minutes.

At least some of the cut versions have been released on DVD in the UK in error, I vaguely remember that early seasons of Jonathan Creek and/or Hustle were among them.

Drama routinely cut five minutes out of Juliet Bravo and other 50 minute shows to fit them in a hour-long slot.

David



From: Keith Wicks via Tech1 
Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2019 6:39 AM
To: patheigham 
Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk 
Subject: Re: [Tech1] unintended commercial breaks

I didn't have any evidence to hand, so I checked a couple of yesterday's programmes: Homes Under the Hammer (on Home), and Antiques Road Trip (on Really). Both programmes had 60-minute slots when originally broadcast by the BBC and had durations of about 59 minutes. But, on the repeat channels, three commercial slots of about 5 minutes each took the programme content down to about 44 minutes in each case.

This does not always happen. For example, I have a recording of a Judge John Deed programme from Drama channel. The original duration is given by the BBC as 90 minutes, and Drama's transmission, including adverts, was 120 minutes. So little, if any, cutting there.

Of course, the antiques and homes programmes contain a lot of stuff that can be cut without a problem. In fact I usually watch no more than the last 15 minutes of antiques auction programmes as I'm interested in the results, but fed up with the poor and repeated attempts at humour throughout. But Judge John Deed is so tight and well written that it would usually be disastrous to cut out a few lines.

I first noticed cuts on repeat channels when looking at the durations of broadcast feature films compared with their original lengths. I was horrified to find that even the BBC usually found a need to cut parts out. They sometimes warn that cuts may be made for content containing sex, drugs or violence, but that seems to mean that such cuts have been made. And, on a repeats channel, I found that further cuts of about 15 minutes were not uncommon. Personally, I prefer to see films in their entirety.

Sorry, Pat, I know nothing about the possible production of shorter versions for foreign sales, or even for UK sales. But I expect someone here has the information you require.

KW

On Mon, 18 Mar 2019 at 14:58, patheigham <pat.heigham at amps.net> wrote:

  Didn?t know that, Keith.

  I believe that most 30? progs were usually timed to about 27? which would give the repeat channels at least 3 mins of adverts, six if butted up to the next offering.

  Any idea if foreign sales to commercial running channels/countries required shortened versions?

  Pat



  Sent from Mail for Windows 10



  From: Keith Wicks
  Sent: 18 March 2019 14:45
  To: patheigham
  Cc: Bernard Newnham; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
  Subject: Re: [Tech1] What are colour bars?



  Even worse than adding commercials where none were originally planned is the fact that chunks of programme are deleted to make room for the commercials. However, with so much repetition within BBC programmes these days, it might be argued that, sometimes, this is actually an improvement.

  KW



  On Mon, 18 Mar 2019 at 13:31, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

    I suppose not. Used to be used to match colour monitors?

    Now that edit suites are all fitted with computer screens, a bit academic? And we all know that Quality Control is pie in the sky, now!

    No-one cares about matching programme junctions for smooth audio transitions.

    End credits are still being reduced on screen, while continuity blarts noisily on about the next programme, or next week?s.

    What is irritating is BBC made programmes being transmitted on digital repeat channels which chop regardless to insert commercial breaks where originally none were catered for.

    Pat



    Sent from Mail for Windows 10



    From: Bernard Newnham
    Sent: 18 March 2019 13:15
    To: pat.heigham
    Cc: Mike Jordan; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
    Subject: Re: [Tech1] What are colour bars?



    You can't do much with them any more. 



    On Mon, 18 Mar 2019, 12:15 patheigham via Tech1, <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

      Even my Sony Handycam NX70 will output colour bars and tone!

      Pat



      Sent from Mail for Windows 10



      From: Mike Jordan via Tech1
      Sent: 18 March 2019 10:05
      To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat
      Subject: [Tech1] What are colour bars?



      Was out in town yesterday to see the last 1938 tube stock doing it?s final outing across town before the new signalling systems (if they ever work) make it totally incompatible and new signal box built at Acton Town. Picture attached of it waiting to head off. Didn?t want to spend loads of dosh travelling to Upminster and back (Oldies pass not valid) but will of course do the Acton museum visit next month ? far better.



      However on walk around went again to the The Vault graffiti area off Lower Marsh under Waterloo Station arches. Great stuff there and far better than spraying every available public area and railway trackside throughout London town!

      Came upon this painted over the entrance door.

      There were a couple of guys about to do some sort of recorded interview out in the daylight area on a DSLR but at least with a tripod, additional extra tiny monitor and a little ?rifle mic? I told them there were some colour bars inside for lineup if needed.

      Blank faces and a question of ?What are they?



      he he!



      Mike






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From dave at davesound.co.uk  Tue Mar 19 10:09:44 2019
From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman)
Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2019 15:09:44 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Tech1] Various Philips workshop manuals.
Message-ID: <57973fd832dave@davesound.co.uk>

I've got a few workshop (repair) manuals bought from Philips for various
things I once owned. All 20 plus years old.

Would be a shame to simply junk them, so any suggestions who could make
use of them? For free - just the cost of carriage or better still collect
them.

They are all in hardback folders.

System 4 Series of CRT TVs - KT4, K40.

FL 1.10 TV

CD 104 CD player.

VR 2120 and VR2220 Portable VCC recorder and tuner.

-- 
*I am a nobody, and nobody is perfect; therefore I am perfect*

    Dave Plowman     dave at davesound.co.uk     London SW 12



From bernie833 at gmail.com  Tue Mar 19 11:13:23 2019
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2019 16:13:23 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] [Announce] Roll up, roll up, buy your copy now!
In-Reply-To: <a690c980-2845-a326-91bd-0aa6b5718b65@howell61.f9.co.uk>
References: <205d2c7c-b4bd-1834-5473-4170f07a383d@gmail.com>
	<F2890348-F06B-451D-AD7B-41C71B6309F5@icloud.com>
	<a690c980-2845-a326-91bd-0aa6b5718b65@howell61.f9.co.uk>
Message-ID: <3e6b40b2-0922-f6c8-868d-2a7a74da94eb@gmail.com>

No more trouble than the ped hydraulics

B



On 19/03/2019 15:23, John Howell via Announce wrote:
> The hydrolics will be a challenge!
>
> John H.
>
>
> On 19/03/2019 12:49, Graeme Wall via Announce wrote:
>> A working Fisher boom?
>> ?
>> Graeme Wall
>>
>>
>>> On 19 Mar 2019, at 11:57, Bernard Newnham via Announce 
>>> <announce at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> This is a 1:12 scale model of something most here are familiar 
>>> with.? It's cut out photographic paper, with a touch of BluTack and 
>>> wire. It took a fair bit of fiddling around, with help from various 
>>> people - special thanks to Steve Edwards who actually has the real 
>>> thing and sent pictures, sizes, and original Vinten diagrams.? I've 
>>> put it on eBay - just type EMI 2001.
>>>
>>> I plan to give a good proportion of the money earned - if any - to 
>>> charity. There's no chance of charging for the many hours that went 
>>> in to it, but that wasn't the point, so a nominal fee for charity it 
>>> is. I'll bring a copy or two to the next disorganised for a discreet 
>>> off-eBay sale.
>>>
>>> Alec Bray is currently working on a Heron, and as the camera is 
>>> removable, I'm thinking about a CPS Emitron - eminently suitable to 
>>> go with an early Tardis for those who like that stuff. Also a Fisher 
>>> boom looks like a challenge.
>>>
>>> cheers
>>>
>>> B
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -- 
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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Tue Mar 19 11:26:53 2019
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2019 16:26:53 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] [Announce] Roll up, roll up, buy your copy now!
In-Reply-To: <3e6b40b2-0922-f6c8-868d-2a7a74da94eb@gmail.com>
References: <205d2c7c-b4bd-1834-5473-4170f07a383d@gmail.com>
	<F2890348-F06B-451D-AD7B-41C71B6309F5@icloud.com>
	<a690c980-2845-a326-91bd-0aa6b5718b65@howell61.f9.co.uk>
	<3e6b40b2-0922-f6c8-868d-2a7a74da94eb@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <933f395a-eb26-88f3-0139-a40b7e172007@gmail.com>

I've already sold two to people I don't know.

B



On 19/03/2019 16:13, Bernard Newnham wrote:
> No more trouble than the ped hydraulics
>
> B
>
>
>
> On 19/03/2019 15:23, John Howell via Announce wrote:
>> The hydrolics will be a challenge!
>>
>> John H.
>>
>>
>> On 19/03/2019 12:49, Graeme Wall via Announce wrote:
>>> A working Fisher boom?
>>> ?
>>> Graeme Wall
>>>
>>>
>>>> On 19 Mar 2019, at 11:57, Bernard Newnham via Announce 
>>>> <announce at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> This is a 1:12 scale model of something most here are familiar 
>>>> with.? It's cut out photographic paper, with a touch of BluTack and 
>>>> wire. It took a fair bit of fiddling around, with help from various 
>>>> people - special thanks to Steve Edwards who actually has the real 
>>>> thing and sent pictures, sizes, and original Vinten diagrams.? I've 
>>>> put it on eBay - just type EMI 2001.
>>>>
>>>> I plan to give a good proportion of the money earned - if any - to 
>>>> charity. There's no chance of charging for the many hours that went 
>>>> in to it, but that wasn't the point, so a nominal fee for charity 
>>>> it is. I'll bring a copy or two to the next disorganised for a 
>>>> discreet off-eBay sale.
>>>>
>>>> Alec Bray is currently working on a Heron, and as the camera is 
>>>> removable, I'm thinking about a CPS Emitron - eminently suitable to 
>>>> go with an early Tardis for those who like that stuff. Also a 
>>>> Fisher boom looks like a challenge.
>>>>
>>>> cheers
>>>>
>>>> B
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -- 
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Tue Mar 19 13:22:35 2019
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2019 18:22:35 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] [Announce] Roll up, roll up, buy your copy now!
In-Reply-To: <933f395a-eb26-88f3-0139-a40b7e172007@gmail.com>
References: <205d2c7c-b4bd-1834-5473-4170f07a383d@gmail.com>
	<F2890348-F06B-451D-AD7B-41C71B6309F5@icloud.com>
	<a690c980-2845-a326-91bd-0aa6b5718b65@howell61.f9.co.uk>
	<3e6b40b2-0922-f6c8-868d-2a7a74da94eb@gmail.com>
	<933f395a-eb26-88f3-0139-a40b7e172007@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5c91336b.1c69fb81.6a1bf.a386@mx.google.com>

What we now need is a large cardboard box, painted up as a studio interior, to put Bernie?s repro tech into.
Maybe a strip adhesive decal for the interior walls, and floor.
( A doll?s house for BBC Techs?)
Pat

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Bernard Newnham via Tech1
Sent: 19 March 2019 16:27
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Tech1] [Announce] Roll up, roll up, buy your copy now!

I've already sold two to people I don't know.

B


On 19/03/2019 16:13, Bernard Newnham wrote:
No more trouble than the ped hydraulics

B


On 19/03/2019 15:23, John Howell via Announce wrote:
The hydrolics will be a challenge! 

John H. 


On 19/03/2019 12:49, Graeme Wall via Announce wrote: 

A working Fisher boom? 
? 
Graeme Wall 



On 19 Mar 2019, at 11:57, Bernard Newnham via Announce <announce at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote: 


This is a 1:12 scale model of something most here are familiar with.? It's cut out photographic paper, with a touch of BluTack and wire. It took a fair bit of fiddling around, with help from various people - special thanks to Steve Edwards who actually has the real thing and sent pictures, sizes, and original Vinten diagrams.? I've put it on eBay - just type EMI 2001. 

I plan to give a good proportion of the money earned - if any - to charity. There's no chance of charging for the many hours that went in to it, but that wasn't the point, so a nominal fee for charity it is. I'll bring a copy or two to the next disorganised for a discreet off-eBay sale. 

Alec Bray is currently working on a Heron, and as the camera is removable, I'm thinking about a CPS Emitron - eminently suitable to go with an early Tardis for those who like that stuff. Also a Fisher boom looks like a challenge. 

cheers 

B 





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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Tue Mar 19 13:51:46 2019
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2019 18:51:46 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Bill
In-Reply-To: <f32ce21b-837e-2848-3025-abcb8f622c36@btinternet.com>
References: <bc1dffe8-73c5-d043-62d8-d8c975a1b433@gmail.com>
	<CAA=qGJnd4ZCDbZvU2QC1OrYh=sYE=quKOZiEVJdyhg=w0Hc67g@mail.gmail.com>
	<653631AF57BCA880.6a8b4abc-3286-4f89-9a9d-b41d64f97d7a@mail.outlook.com>
	<5c8fede0.1c69fb81.45fd9.1fd8@mx.google.com>
	<f32ce21b-837e-2848-3025-abcb8f622c36@btinternet.com>
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Oh, Mate! Yo? sure pullin? ma leg!
Being freelance offered a superb opportunity to work with some  splendid Directors in the film world ? Guy Hamilton (007 Bond) Lewis Gilbert (007 Bond) Ridley Scott (commercials and Alien) Stanley Donen (The Little Prince) for example.
Don?t know whether to mention Winner ? a lousy director, but I survived a picture with him, although he insisted on telling me how to boom operate! (I only took the job as I fancied visiting the Caribbean on someone else?s wallet).
Diversifying to documentary work led to some fascinating insights to industrial procedures ? particularly Pilkington?s factory making plate glass windows for shop fronts.
I would never have experienced what I subsequently did, had I stayed with the Corp, but loved the time I was there. Many, many fond memories. All in all, a satisfying and most enjoyable career.
Best
Pat (now 76 ? no white whiskers, but hairline receding a bit!)


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From: dave.mdv
Sent: 18 March 2019 21:45
To: patheigham; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: Re: Bill

Just a quick query Pat, is there anyone you haven't worked for? Cecil B. 
de Mille for example? Cheers, Dave



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From vernon.dyer at btinternet.com  Tue Mar 19 14:07:00 2019
From: vernon.dyer at btinternet.com (vernon.dyer)
Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2019 19:07:00 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] [Announce] Roll up, roll up, buy your copy now!
Message-ID: <nfe12t4739o3ty9gryf86qrn.1553022420771@email.android.com>

Yes, Pat, maybe Anthea Turner could do another Blue Peter make?Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.-------- Original message --------From: patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> Date: 19/03/2019  18:22  (GMT+00:00) To: Bernard Newnham <bernie833 at gmail.com>, tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] [Announce] Roll up, roll up, buy your copy now! What we now need is a large cardboard box, painted up as a studio interior, to put Bernie?s repro tech into.Maybe a strip adhesive decal for the interior walls, and floor.( A doll?s house for BBC Techs?)Pat?Sent from Mail for Windows 10?From: Bernard Newnham via Tech1Sent: 19 March 2019 16:27To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.ukSubject: Re: [Tech1] [Announce] Roll up, roll up, buy your copy now!?I've already sold two to people I don't know.BOn 19/03/2019 16:13, Bernard Newnham wrote:No more trouble than the ped hydraulicsBOn 19/03/2019 15:23, John Howell via Announce wrote:The hydrolics will be a challenge! John H. On 19/03/2019 12:49, Graeme Wall via Announce wrote: A working Fisher boom? ? Graeme Wall On 19 Mar 2019, at 11:57, Bernard Newnham via Announce <announce at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote: This is a 1:12 scale model of something most here are familiar with.? It's cut out photographic paper, with a touch of BluTack and wire. It took a fair bit of fiddling around, with help from various people - special thanks to Steve Edwards who actually has the real thing and sent pictures, sizes, and original Vinten diagrams.? I've put it on eBay - just type EMI 2001. I plan to give a good proportion of the money earned - if any - to charity. There's no chance of charging for the many hours that went in to it, but that wasn't the point, so a nominal fee for charity it is. I'll bring a copy or two to the next disorganised for a discreet off-eBay sale. Alec Bray is currently working on a Heron, and as the camera is removable, I'm thinking about a CPS Emitron - eminently suitable to go with an early Tardis for those who like that stuff. Also a Fisher boom looks like a challenge. cheers B --?Announce mailing list Announce at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/announce_tech-ops.co.uk ????

	
        
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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Tue Mar 19 15:58:55 2019
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2019 20:58:55 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] [Announce] Roll up, roll up, buy your copy now!
In-Reply-To: <nfe12t4739o3ty9gryf86qrn.1553022420771@email.android.com>
References: <nfe12t4739o3ty9gryf86qrn.1553022420771@email.android.com>
Message-ID: <5a9178ee-8200-ba67-e463-ece272b33e5e@ntlworld.com>

A bit more than a cardboard box, I think, at 1:12 scale. Still, that's 
your assignment Pat - we look forward to seeing it

B



On 19/03/2019 19:07, vernon.dyer via Tech1 wrote:
>
> Yes, Pat, maybe Anthea Turner could do another Blue Peter make?
>
>
>
> Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.
> -------- Original message --------
> From: patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> Date: 19/03/2019 18:22 (GMT+00:00)
> To: Bernard Newnham <bernie833 at gmail.com>, tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> Subject: Re: [Tech1] [Announce] Roll up, roll up, buy your copy now!
>
> What we now need is a large cardboard box, painted up as a studio 
> interior, to put Bernie?s repro tech into.
>
> Maybe a strip adhesive decal for the interior walls, and floor.
>
> ( A doll?s house for BBC Techs?)
>
> Pat
>
> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for 
> Windows 10
>
> *From: *Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> *Sent: *19 March 2019 16:27
> *To: *tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> *Subject: *Re: [Tech1] [Announce] Roll up, roll up, buy your copy now!
>
> I've already sold two to people I don't know.
>
> B
>
>
> On 19/03/2019 16:13, Bernard Newnham wrote:
>
>     No more trouble than the ped hydraulics
>
>     B
>
>
>     On 19/03/2019 15:23, John Howell via Announce wrote:
>
>         The hydrolics will be a challenge!
>
>         John H.
>
>
>         On 19/03/2019 12:49, Graeme Wall via Announce wrote:
>
>             A working Fisher boom?
>             ?
>             Graeme Wall
>
>
>
>                 On 19 Mar 2019, at 11:57, Bernard Newnham via Announce
>                 <announce at tech-ops.co.uk>
>                 <mailto:announce at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>
>
>                 This is a 1:12 scale model of something most here are
>                 familiar with.? It's cut out photographic paper, with
>                 a touch of BluTack and wire. It took a fair bit of
>                 fiddling around, with help from various people -
>                 special thanks to Steve Edwards who actually has the
>                 real thing and sent pictures, sizes, and original
>                 Vinten diagrams.? I've put it on eBay - just type EMI
>                 2001.
>
>                 I plan to give a good proportion of the money earned -
>                 if any - to charity. There's no chance of charging for
>                 the many hours that went in to it, but that wasn't the
>                 point, so a nominal fee for charity it is. I'll bring
>                 a copy or two to the next disorganised for a discreet
>                 off-eBay sale.
>
>                 Alec Bray is currently working on a Heron, and as the
>                 camera is removable, I'm thinking about a CPS Emitron
>                 - eminently suitable to go with an early Tardis for
>                 those who like that stuff. Also a Fisher boom looks
>                 like a challenge.
>
>                 cheers
>
>                 B
>
>
>
>
>
>                 -- 
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From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com  Wed Mar 20 02:35:47 2019
From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray)
Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2019 07:35:47 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] [Announce] Roll up, roll up, buy your copy now!
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Hi all,

Perhaps more practical would be to build a single set as a diorama. Just a
few flats and doll's house size furniture and figures - thanks to Bernie's
choice of scale.  One set from each interested party and we would soon have
a studio full!

Best Regards Alec

sent from my mobile phone. Apologies for any strange autocorrections.

On Tue, 19 Mar 2019, 20:59 Bernard Newnham via Tech1, <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
wrote:

> A bit more than a cardboard box, I think, at 1:12 scale. Still, that's
> your assignment Pat - we look forward to seeing it
>
> B
>
>
>
> On 19/03/2019 19:07, vernon.dyer via Tech1 wrote:
>
>
> Yes, Pat, maybe Anthea Turner could do another Blue Peter make?
>
>
>
> Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.
> -------- Original message --------
> From: patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> Date: 19/03/2019 18:22 (GMT+00:00)
> To: Bernard Newnham <bernie833 at gmail.com> <bernie833 at gmail.com>,
> tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> Subject: Re: [Tech1] [Announce] Roll up, roll up, buy your copy now!
>
> What we now need is a large cardboard box, painted up as a studio
> interior, to put Bernie?s repro tech into.
>
> Maybe a strip adhesive decal for the interior walls, and floor.
>
> ( A doll?s house for BBC Techs?)
>
> Pat
>
>
>
> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
> Windows 10
>
>
>
> *From: *Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> *Sent: *19 March 2019 16:27
> *To: *tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> *Subject: *Re: [Tech1] [Announce] Roll up, roll up, buy your copy now!
>
>
>
> I've already sold two to people I don't know.
>
> B
>
>
> On 19/03/2019 16:13, Bernard Newnham wrote:
>
> No more trouble than the ped hydraulics
>
> B
>
>
> On 19/03/2019 15:23, John Howell via Announce wrote:
>
> The hydrolics will be a challenge!
>
> John H.
>
>
> On 19/03/2019 12:49, Graeme Wall via Announce wrote:
>
> A working Fisher boom?
> ?
> Graeme Wall
>
>
>
> On 19 Mar 2019, at 11:57, Bernard Newnham via Announce
> <announce at tech-ops.co.uk> <announce at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>
>
> This is a 1:12 scale model of something most here are familiar with.  It's
> cut out photographic paper, with a touch of BluTack and wire. It took a
> fair bit of fiddling around, with help from various people - special thanks
> to Steve Edwards who actually has the real thing and sent pictures, sizes,
> and original Vinten diagrams.  I've put it on eBay - just type EMI 2001.
>
> I plan to give a good proportion of the money earned - if any - to
> charity. There's no chance of charging for the many hours that went in to
> it, but that wasn't the point, so a nominal fee for charity it is. I'll
> bring a copy or two to the next disorganised for a discreet off-eBay sale.
>
> Alec Bray is currently working on a Heron, and as the camera is removable,
> I'm thinking about a CPS Emitron - eminently suitable to go with an early
> Tardis for those who like that stuff. Also a Fisher boom looks like a
> challenge.
>
> cheers
>
> B
>
>
>
>
>
> --
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I find the delete button quite a handy feature when I?ve written something totally silly after a couple of glasses of wine too many. And it?s quite a versatile button too: you can delete it all, or just the silly bits. The tricky bit is to know which are the silly bits.
(That, or save it overnight and see if it still seems appropriate in the morning).
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From geoffletch at gmail.com  Wed Mar 20 12:25:51 2019
From: geoffletch at gmail.com (Geoff Fletcher)
Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2019 17:25:51 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] 1961
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I was waiting for someone to mention the old finger indication to the boom
op. On all the drama  camera crews I worked with at the BBC it was the
expected thing to do to help your sound mates out. Finger up, up, up....
then morph it into a thumbs up ready for the cut.
Geoff F

On Mon, 18 Mar 2019 at 19:39, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
wrote:

> Replies in blue:
>
>
>
> *From: *Martin Eccles via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> *Sent: *18 March 2019 16:18
> *Subject: *Re: [Tech1] 1961
>
>
>
> As a boom operator I used to use the angle of tilt of a camera (Emi 2001)
> to
>
> determine whether it was zoomed out
>
> so tilted down to stop shooting off the top of the set or pointing straight
>
> at an artist when zoomed in.
>
> Interesting, Martin, never thought of that, used to seeing a monitor.
>
> After I left I believe that 9? monitors were fitted to booms, where the SS
> could punch up the following wide shot.
>
>
>
> The camera person's fingers out or in movement on the zoom control also
> gave
>
> away a change of shot.
>
> Good camera persons would just have to point a finger upwards to indicate
>
> you were still in the next shot by a fraction
>
> and then the thumb would come up if corrected, not to mention the vision
>
> mixer's rare cry of "boom up" and then the cut was made.
>
> This was so different in the Film Industry ? I went o take a peek through
> the viewfinder, to be turfed off by the operator with: ?I?m the one who
> looks?
>
> Asking for a top limit ? tilted up, said you?re OK there, and tilted back
> down,
>
> NOT Good enough!
>
>
>
> All this as well as being mindful of shadows and following the script with
>
> the major moves marked up.
>
> In films, it was essential to make friends with the gaffer spark to get
> flags set to minimise shadows.
>
> and why did makeup ladies always stand in front of the monitor just as the
>
> vital shot change was about to happen?
>
> So you remonstrate with them and invite them out to dinner?
>
> Pat
>
>
>
>
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From geoffletch at gmail.com  Wed Mar 20 12:30:29 2019
From: geoffletch at gmail.com (Geoff Fletcher)
Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2019 17:30:29 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] 1961
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Working on location shoots on film dramas I was always amazed by the audio
acuity of the sound recordist. I know it is a cliche but I lost count of
the number of times they stopped us rolling because they had picked up on
some distant noise ( approaching aircraft was a common one) that the rest
of us couldn?t yet hear or simply hadn?t noticed.
Geoff F

On Wed, 20 Mar 2019 at 17:25, Geoff Fletcher <geoffletch at gmail.com> wrote:

> I was waiting for someone to mention the old finger indication to the boom
> op. On all the drama  camera crews I worked with at the BBC it was the
> expected thing to do to help your sound mates out. Finger up, up, up....
> then morph it into a thumbs up ready for the cut.
> Geoff F
>
> On Mon, 18 Mar 2019 at 19:39, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
>> Replies in blue:
>>
>>
>>
>> *From: *Martin Eccles via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
>> *Sent: *18 March 2019 16:18
>> *Subject: *Re: [Tech1] 1961
>>
>>
>>
>> As a boom operator I used to use the angle of tilt of a camera (Emi 2001)
>> to
>>
>> determine whether it was zoomed out
>>
>> so tilted down to stop shooting off the top of the set or pointing
>> straight
>>
>> at an artist when zoomed in.
>>
>> Interesting, Martin, never thought of that, used to seeing a monitor.
>>
>> After I left I believe that 9? monitors were fitted to booms, where the
>> SS could punch up the following wide shot.
>>
>>
>>
>> The camera person's fingers out or in movement on the zoom control also
>> gave
>>
>> away a change of shot.
>>
>> Good camera persons would just have to point a finger upwards to indicate
>>
>> you were still in the next shot by a fraction
>>
>> and then the thumb would come up if corrected, not to mention the vision
>>
>> mixer's rare cry of "boom up" and then the cut was made.
>>
>> This was so different in the Film Industry ? I went o take a peek through
>> the viewfinder, to be turfed off by the operator with: ?I?m the one who
>> looks?
>>
>> Asking for a top limit ? tilted up, said you?re OK there, and tilted back
>> down,
>>
>> NOT Good enough!
>>
>>
>>
>> All this as well as being mindful of shadows and following the script with
>>
>> the major moves marked up.
>>
>> In films, it was essential to make friends with the gaffer spark to get
>> flags set to minimise shadows.
>>
>> and why did makeup ladies always stand in front of the monitor just as the
>>
>> vital shot change was about to happen?
>>
>> So you remonstrate with them and invite them out to dinner?
>>
>> Pat
>>
>>
>>
>>
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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Wed Mar 20 12:41:51 2019
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2019 17:41:51 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] [Announce] Roll up, roll up, buy your copy now!
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Well!

All ten copies gone in under 24 hours.? I've run out of paper, so can't 
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From martin at theeccles.uk  Wed Mar 20 12:46:25 2019
From: martin at theeccles.uk (Martin Eccles)
Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2019 17:46:25 -0000
Subject: [Tech1] 1961
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The brain filters out what it does not need to hear and so the director would only hear the artists.

The trick was to tell the director to put a finger in one ear then listen as that is what the microphone hears.

With one ear only everything is heard without being selected by the brain with binaural two ears.

Martin.

 

From: Geoff Fletcher <geoffletch at gmail.com> 
Sent: 20 March 2019 17:30
To: patheigham <pat.heigham at amps.net>
Cc: Martin Eccles <martin at theeccles.uk>; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Tech1] 1961

 

Working on location shoots on film dramas I was always amazed by the audio acuity of the sound recordist. I know it is a cliche but I lost count of the number of times they stopped us rolling because they had picked up on some distant noise ( approaching aircraft was a common one) that the rest of us couldn?t yet hear or simply hadn?t noticed.

Geoff F

 

On Wed, 20 Mar 2019 at 17:25, Geoff Fletcher <geoffletch at gmail.com <mailto:geoffletch at gmail.com> > wrote:

I was waiting for someone to mention the old finger indication to the boom op. On all the drama  camera crews I worked with at the BBC it was the expected thing to do to help your sound mates out. Finger up, up, up.... then morph it into a thumbs up ready for the cut. 

Geoff F

 

On Mon, 18 Mar 2019 at 19:39, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> > wrote:

Replies in blue:

 

From: Martin Eccles via Tech1 <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> 
Sent: 18 March 2019 16:18
Subject: Re: [Tech1] 1961

 

As a boom operator I used to use the angle of tilt of a camera (Emi 2001) to

determine whether it was zoomed out

so tilted down to stop shooting off the top of the set or pointing straight

at an artist when zoomed in.

Interesting, Martin, never thought of that, used to seeing a monitor.

After I left I believe that 9? monitors were fitted to booms, where the SS could punch up the following wide shot.

 

The camera person's fingers out or in movement on the zoom control also gave

away a change of shot.

Good camera persons would just have to point a finger upwards to indicate

you were still in the next shot by a fraction

and then the thumb would come up if corrected, not to mention the vision

mixer's rare cry of "boom up" and then the cut was made.

This was so different in the Film Industry ? I went o take a peek through the viewfinder, to be turfed off by the operator with: ?I?m the one who looks?

Asking for a top limit ? tilted up, said you?re OK there, and tilted back down,

NOT Good enough!

 

All this as well as being mindful of shadows and following the script with

the major moves marked up.

In films, it was essential to make friends with the gaffer spark to get flags set to minimise shadows.

and why did makeup ladies always stand in front of the monitor just as the

vital shot change was about to happen?

So you remonstrate with them and invite them out to dinner?

Pat

 

 


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From graeme.wall at icloud.com  Wed Mar 20 12:54:52 2019
From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall)
Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2019 17:54:52 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] 1961
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I had a recordist stop me because he could hear an aircraft.  The exasperated presenter pointed out we were at an airshow!
? 
Graeme Wall


> On 20 Mar 2019, at 17:30, Geoff Fletcher via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Working on location shoots on film dramas I was always amazed by the audio acuity of the sound recordist. I know it is a cliche but I lost count of the number of times they stopped us rolling because they had picked up on some distant noise ( approaching aircraft was a common one) that the rest of us couldn?t yet hear or simply hadn?t noticed.
> Geoff F
> 
> On Wed, 20 Mar 2019 at 17:25, Geoff Fletcher <geoffletch at gmail.com> wrote:
> I was waiting for someone to mention the old finger indication to the boom op. On all the drama  camera crews I worked with at the BBC it was the expected thing to do to help your sound mates out. Finger up, up, up.... then morph it into a thumbs up ready for the cut. 
> Geoff F
> 
> On Mon, 18 Mar 2019 at 19:39, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> Replies in blue:
> 
>  
> 
> From: Martin Eccles via Tech1
> Sent: 18 March 2019 16:18
> Subject: Re: [Tech1] 1961
> 
>  
> 
> As a boom operator I used to use the angle of tilt of a camera (Emi 2001) to
> 
> determine whether it was zoomed out
> 
> so tilted down to stop shooting off the top of the set or pointing straight
> 
> at an artist when zoomed in.
> 
> Interesting, Martin, never thought of that, used to seeing a monitor.
> 
> After I left I believe that 9? monitors were fitted to booms, where the SS could punch up the following wide shot.
> 
>  
> 
> The camera person's fingers out or in movement on the zoom control also gave
> 
> away a change of shot.
> 
> Good camera persons would just have to point a finger upwards to indicate
> 
> you were still in the next shot by a fraction
> 
> and then the thumb would come up if corrected, not to mention the vision
> 
> mixer's rare cry of "boom up" and then the cut was made.
> 
> This was so different in the Film Industry ? I went o take a peek through the viewfinder, to be turfed off by the operator with: ?I?m the one who looks?
> 
> Asking for a top limit ? tilted up, said you?re OK there, and tilted back down,
> 
> NOT Good enough!
> 
>  
> 
> All this as well as being mindful of shadows and following the script with
> 
> the major moves marked up.
> 
> In films, it was essential to make friends with the gaffer spark to get flags set to minimise shadows.
> 
> and why did makeup ladies always stand in front of the monitor just as the
> 
> vital shot change was about to happen?
> 
> So you remonstrate with them and invite them out to dinner?
> 
> Pat
> 
>  
> 
> 
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From j at howell61.f9.co.uk  Wed Mar 20 13:04:38 2019
From: j at howell61.f9.co.uk (John Howell)
Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2019 18:04:38 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] 1961
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Thank you Geoff for your kind remarks,

On the Lot with Eastenders one of my favorite shouts was "Wait for the 
second engine!" The diesel express trains that thundered through 
Borehamwood went into a cutting and things were quiet enough then the 
engine at the rear passed by!

John H.



On 20/03/2019 17:30, Geoff Fletcher via Tech1 wrote:
> Working on location shoots on film dramas I was always amazed by the 
> audio acuity of the sound recordist. I know it is a cliche but I lost 
> count of the number of times they stopped us rolling because they had 
> picked up on some distant noise ( approaching aircraft was a common 
> one) that the rest of us couldn?t yet hear or simply hadn?t noticed.
> Geoff F
>
> On Wed, 20 Mar 2019 at 17:25, Geoff Fletcher <geoffletch at gmail.com 
> <mailto:geoffletch at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>     I was waiting for someone to mention the old finger indication to
>     the boom op. On all the drama ?camera crews I worked with at the
>     BBC it was the expected thing to do to help your sound mates out.
>     Finger up, up, up.... then morph it into a thumbs up ready for the
>     cut.
>     Geoff F
>
>     On Mon, 18 Mar 2019 at 19:39, patheigham via Tech1
>     <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:
>
>         Replies in blue:
>
>         *From: *Martin Eccles via Tech1 <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
>         *Sent: *18 March 2019 16:18
>         *Subject: *Re: [Tech1] 1961
>
>         As a boom operator I used to use the angle of tilt of a camera
>         (Emi 2001) to
>
>         determine whether it was zoomed out
>
>         so tilted down to stop shooting off the top of the set or
>         pointing straight
>
>         at an artist when zoomed in.
>
>         Interesting, Martin, never thought of that, used to seeing a
>         monitor.
>
>         After I left I believe that 9? monitors were fitted to booms,
>         where the SS could punch up the following wide shot.
>
>         The camera person's fingers out or in movement on the zoom
>         control also gave
>
>         away a change of shot.
>
>         Good camera persons would just have to point a finger upwards
>         to indicate
>
>         you were still in the next shot by a fraction
>
>         and then the thumb would come up if corrected, not to mention
>         the vision
>
>         mixer's rare cry of "boom up" and then the cut was made.
>
>         This was so different in the Film Industry ? I went o take a
>         peek through the viewfinder, to be turfed off by the operator
>         with: ?I?m the one who looks?
>
>         Asking for a top limit ? tilted up, said you?re OK there, and
>         tilted back down,
>
>         NOT Good enough!
>
>         All this as well as being mindful of shadows and following the
>         script with
>
>         the major moves marked up.
>
>         In films, it was essential to make friends with the gaffer
>         spark to get flags set to minimise shadows.
>
>         and why did makeup ladies always stand in front of the monitor
>         just as the
>
>         vital shot change was about to happen?
>
>         So you remonstrate with them and invite them out to dinner?
>
>         Pat
>
>
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From nick at nickway.co.uk  Wed Mar 20 13:27:11 2019
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From geoffletch at gmail.com  Thu Mar 21 03:46:44 2019
From: geoffletch at gmail.com (Geoff Fletcher)
Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2019 08:46:44 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] 1961
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Good one John! When we were shooting in North Norfolk I frequently had to
ring RAF Coltishall and ask if they could avoid the area we were shooting
in. They always obliged if they could. We cultivated good relations with
the local aviation scene - we were never very far from active airfields in
Norfolk.
Geoff F

On Wed, 20 Mar 2019 at 18:05, John Howell via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
wrote:

> Thank you Geoff for your kind remarks,
>
> On the Lot with Eastenders one of my favorite shouts was "Wait for the
> second engine!" The diesel express trains that thundered through
> Borehamwood went into a cutting and things were quiet enough then the
> engine at the rear passed by!
>
> John H.
>
>
>
> On 20/03/2019 17:30, Geoff Fletcher via Tech1 wrote:
>
> Working on location shoots on film dramas I was always amazed by the audio
> acuity of the sound recordist. I know it is a cliche but I lost count of
> the number of times they stopped us rolling because they had picked up on
> some distant noise ( approaching aircraft was a common one) that the rest
> of us couldn?t yet hear or simply hadn?t noticed.
> Geoff F
>
> On Wed, 20 Mar 2019 at 17:25, Geoff Fletcher <geoffletch at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I was waiting for someone to mention the old finger indication to the
>> boom op. On all the drama  camera crews I worked with at the BBC it was the
>> expected thing to do to help your sound mates out. Finger up, up, up....
>> then morph it into a thumbs up ready for the cut.
>> Geoff F
>>
>> On Mon, 18 Mar 2019 at 19:39, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Replies in blue:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From: *Martin Eccles via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
>>> *Sent: *18 March 2019 16:18
>>> *Subject: *Re: [Tech1] 1961
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> As a boom operator I used to use the angle of tilt of a camera (Emi
>>> 2001) to
>>>
>>> determine whether it was zoomed out
>>>
>>> so tilted down to stop shooting off the top of the set or pointing
>>> straight
>>>
>>> at an artist when zoomed in.
>>>
>>> Interesting, Martin, never thought of that, used to seeing a monitor.
>>>
>>> After I left I believe that 9? monitors were fitted to booms, where the
>>> SS could punch up the following wide shot.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The camera person's fingers out or in movement on the zoom control also
>>> gave
>>>
>>> away a change of shot.
>>>
>>> Good camera persons would just have to point a finger upwards to indicate
>>>
>>> you were still in the next shot by a fraction
>>>
>>> and then the thumb would come up if corrected, not to mention the vision
>>>
>>> mixer's rare cry of "boom up" and then the cut was made.
>>>
>>> This was so different in the Film Industry ? I went o take a peek
>>> through the viewfinder, to be turfed off by the operator with: ?I?m the one
>>> who looks?
>>>
>>> Asking for a top limit ? tilted up, said you?re OK there, and tilted
>>> back down,
>>>
>>> NOT Good enough!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> All this as well as being mindful of shadows and following the script
>>> with
>>>
>>> the major moves marked up.
>>>
>>> In films, it was essential to make friends with the gaffer spark to get
>>> flags set to minimise shadows.
>>>
>>> and why did makeup ladies always stand in front of the monitor just as
>>> the
>>>
>>> vital shot change was about to happen?
>>>
>>> So you remonstrate with them and invite them out to dinner?
>>>
>>> Pat
>>>
>>>
>>>
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From geoffletch at gmail.com  Thu Mar 21 03:57:45 2019
From: geoffletch at gmail.com (Geoff Fletcher)
Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2019 08:57:45 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] 1961
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Talking of aircraft and drama shoots, we used a lot of guest directors on
our Anglia dramas. One afternoon the great Herbie Wise was directing scenes
on a PD James detective serial when they were plagued with passing
aircraft. The UM did his best to ease the problem but there was a big NATO
air exercise going on. Herbie soldiered on until a particularly noisy
quartet of Luftwaffe F104s flew over at low level Everything came to a
halt.  He asked the UM what they were and upon being told they were from
the German Air Force he commented ?Christ! They?re still after. me!?. We
all loved working with Herbie.
Geoff F

On Thu, 21 Mar 2019 at 08:46, Geoff Fletcher <geoffletch at gmail.com> wrote:

> Good one John! When we were shooting in North Norfolk I frequently had to
> ring RAF Coltishall and ask if they could avoid the area we were shooting
> in. They always obliged if they could. We cultivated good relations with
> the local aviation scene - we were never very far from active airfields in
> Norfolk.
> Geoff F
>
> On Wed, 20 Mar 2019 at 18:05, John Howell via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
>> Thank you Geoff for your kind remarks,
>>
>> On the Lot with Eastenders one of my favorite shouts was "Wait for the
>> second engine!" The diesel express trains that thundered through
>> Borehamwood went into a cutting and things were quiet enough then the
>> engine at the rear passed by!
>>
>> John H.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 20/03/2019 17:30, Geoff Fletcher via Tech1 wrote:
>>
>> Working on location shoots on film dramas I was always amazed by the
>> audio acuity of the sound recordist. I know it is a cliche but I lost count
>> of the number of times they stopped us rolling because they had picked up
>> on some distant noise ( approaching aircraft was a common one) that the
>> rest of us couldn?t yet hear or simply hadn?t noticed.
>> Geoff F
>>
>> On Wed, 20 Mar 2019 at 17:25, Geoff Fletcher <geoffletch at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I was waiting for someone to mention the old finger indication to the
>>> boom op. On all the drama  camera crews I worked with at the BBC it was the
>>> expected thing to do to help your sound mates out. Finger up, up, up....
>>> then morph it into a thumbs up ready for the cut.
>>> Geoff F
>>>
>>> On Mon, 18 Mar 2019 at 19:39, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Replies in blue:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *From: *Martin Eccles via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
>>>> *Sent: *18 March 2019 16:18
>>>> *Subject: *Re: [Tech1] 1961
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> As a boom operator I used to use the angle of tilt of a camera (Emi
>>>> 2001) to
>>>>
>>>> determine whether it was zoomed out
>>>>
>>>> so tilted down to stop shooting off the top of the set or pointing
>>>> straight
>>>>
>>>> at an artist when zoomed in.
>>>>
>>>> Interesting, Martin, never thought of that, used to seeing a monitor.
>>>>
>>>> After I left I believe that 9? monitors were fitted to booms, where the
>>>> SS could punch up the following wide shot.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The camera person's fingers out or in movement on the zoom control also
>>>> gave
>>>>
>>>> away a change of shot.
>>>>
>>>> Good camera persons would just have to point a finger upwards to
>>>> indicate
>>>>
>>>> you were still in the next shot by a fraction
>>>>
>>>> and then the thumb would come up if corrected, not to mention the vision
>>>>
>>>> mixer's rare cry of "boom up" and then the cut was made.
>>>>
>>>> This was so different in the Film Industry ? I went o take a peek
>>>> through the viewfinder, to be turfed off by the operator with: ?I?m the one
>>>> who looks?
>>>>
>>>> Asking for a top limit ? tilted up, said you?re OK there, and tilted
>>>> back down,
>>>>
>>>> NOT Good enough!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> All this as well as being mindful of shadows and following the script
>>>> with
>>>>
>>>> the major moves marked up.
>>>>
>>>> In films, it was essential to make friends with the gaffer spark to get
>>>> flags set to minimise shadows.
>>>>
>>>> and why did makeup ladies always stand in front of the monitor just as
>>>> the
>>>>
>>>> vital shot change was about to happen?
>>>>
>>>> So you remonstrate with them and invite them out to dinner?
>>>>
>>>> Pat
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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From j at howell61.f9.co.uk  Thu Mar 21 06:48:23 2019
From: j at howell61.f9.co.uk (John Howell)
Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2019 11:48:23 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] 1961
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I s'pose nowadays whilst waiting for the aircraft to pass the recordist 
could run 'FlightRadar24' on his mobile and tell everyone the 
destination, make, height, airline & name of the pilot's cat!

John H.


On 21/03/2019 08:46, Geoff Fletcher wrote:
> Good one John! When we were shooting in North Norfolk I frequently had 
> to ring RAF Coltishall and ask if they could avoid the area we were 
> shooting in. They always obliged if they could. We cultivated good 
> relations with the local aviation scene - we were never very far from 
> active airfields in Norfolk.
> Geoff F
>
> On Wed, 20 Mar 2019 at 18:05, John Howell via Tech1 
> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:
>
>     Thank you Geoff for your kind remarks,
>
>     On the Lot with Eastenders one of my favorite shouts was "Wait for
>     the second engine!" The diesel express trains that thundered
>     through Borehamwood went into a cutting and things were quiet
>     enough then the engine at the rear passed by!
>
>     John H.
>
>
>
>     On 20/03/2019 17:30, Geoff Fletcher via Tech1 wrote:
>>     Working on location shoots on film dramas I was always amazed by
>>     the audio acuity of the sound recordist. I know it is a cliche
>>     but I lost count of the number of times they stopped us rolling
>>     because they had picked up on some distant noise ( approaching
>>     aircraft was a common one) that the rest of us couldn?t yet hear
>>     or simply hadn?t noticed.
>>     Geoff F
>>
>>     On Wed, 20 Mar 2019 at 17:25, Geoff Fletcher
>>     <geoffletch at gmail.com <mailto:geoffletch at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>>         I was waiting for someone to mention the old finger
>>         indication to the boom op. On all the drama ?camera crews I
>>         worked with at the BBC it was the expected thing to do to
>>         help your sound mates out. Finger up, up, up.... then morph
>>         it into a thumbs up ready for the cut.
>>         Geoff F
>>
>>         On Mon, 18 Mar 2019 at 19:39, patheigham via Tech1
>>         <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:
>>
>>             Replies in blue:
>>
>>             *From: *Martin Eccles via Tech1 <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
>>             *Sent: *18 March 2019 16:18
>>             *Subject: *Re: [Tech1] 1961
>>
>>             As a boom operator I used to use the angle of tilt of a
>>             camera (Emi 2001) to
>>
>>             determine whether it was zoomed out
>>
>>             so tilted down to stop shooting off the top of the set or
>>             pointing straight
>>
>>             at an artist when zoomed in.
>>
>>             Interesting, Martin, never thought of that, used to
>>             seeing a monitor.
>>
>>             After I left I believe that 9? monitors were fitted to
>>             booms, where the SS could punch up the following wide shot.
>>
>>             The camera person's fingers out or in movement on the
>>             zoom control also gave
>>
>>             away a change of shot.
>>
>>             Good camera persons would just have to point a finger
>>             upwards to indicate
>>
>>             you were still in the next shot by a fraction
>>
>>             and then the thumb would come up if corrected, not to
>>             mention the vision
>>
>>             mixer's rare cry of "boom up" and then the cut was made.
>>
>>             This was so different in the Film Industry ? I went o
>>             take a peek through the viewfinder, to be turfed off by
>>             the operator with: ?I?m the one who looks?
>>
>>             Asking for a top limit ? tilted up, said you?re OK there,
>>             and tilted back down,
>>
>>             NOT Good enough!
>>
>>             All this as well as being mindful of shadows and
>>             following the script with
>>
>>             the major moves marked up.
>>
>>             In films, it was essential to make friends with the
>>             gaffer spark to get flags set to minimise shadows.
>>
>>             and why did makeup ladies always stand in front of the
>>             monitor just as the
>>
>>             vital shot change was about to happen?
>>
>>             So you remonstrate with them and invite them out to dinner?
>>
>>             Pat
>>
>>
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From vernon.dyer at btinternet.com  Thu Mar 21 08:03:55 2019
From: vernon.dyer at btinternet.com (vernon.dyer)
Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2019 13:03:55 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] 1961
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We were on location for Emmerdale one day and had a light aircraft circling around overhead for ages. In the bar a few days later one of the VTR guys said 'I was out for a flight the other day and saw you lot. You didn't seem very busy! Grrrrr!Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.-------- Original message --------From: John Howell via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> Date: 21/03/2019  11:48  (GMT+00:00) To: Geoff Fletcher <geoffletch at gmail.com> Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] 1961 
    I s'pose nowadays whilst
          waiting for the aircraft to pass the recordist could run
          'FlightRadar24' on his mobile and tell everyone the
          destination, make, height, airline & name of the pilot's
          cat!
    John H.
    
    
    On 21/03/2019 08:46, Geoff Fletcher
      wrote:
    
    
      
      
        Good one John! When we were shooting in North
          Norfolk I frequently had to ring RAF Coltishall and ask if
          they could avoid the area we were shooting in. They always
          obliged if they could. We cultivated good relations with the
          local aviation scene - we were never very far from active
          airfields in Norfolk.
      
      Geoff F
      
        
          On Wed, 20 Mar 2019 at
            18:05, John Howell via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
            wrote:
          
          
            
              Thank you Geoff for
                    your kind remarks,
              On the Lot with
                    Eastenders one of my favorite shouts was "Wait for
                    the second engine!" The diesel express trains that
                    thundered through Borehamwood went into a cutting
                    and things were quiet enough then the engine at the
                    rear passed by!
              John H.
                  
            
            
              
                  
              
              
              On
                20/03/2019 17:30, Geoff Fletcher via Tech1 wrote:
              
              
                
                  Working on location shoots on film
                    dramas I was always amazed by the audio acuity of
                    the sound recordist. I know it is a cliche but I
                    lost count of the number of times they stopped us
                    rolling because they had picked up on some distant
                    noise ( approaching aircraft was a common one) that
                    the rest of us couldn?t yet hear or simply hadn?t
                    noticed.
                
                Geoff F
                
                  
                    On Wed, 20 Mar
                      2019 at 17:25, Geoff Fletcher <geoffletch at gmail.com>
                      wrote:
                    
                    
                      
                        I was waiting for someone to
                          mention the old finger indication to the boom
                          op. On all the drama ?camera crews I worked
                          with at the BBC it was the expected thing to
                          do to help your sound mates out. Finger up,
                          up, up.... then morph it into a thumbs up
                          ready for the cut.?
                      
                      Geoff F
                      
                        
                          On Mon, 18
                            Mar 2019 at 19:39, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
                            wrote:
                          
                          
                            
                              
                                Replies
                                    in blue:
                                ?
                                
                                  From:
                                    Martin
                                      Eccles via Tech1
                                    Sent: 18 March 2019 16:18
                                    Subject: Re: [Tech1] 1961
                                
                                ?
                                As a boom operator
                                  I used to use the angle of tilt of a
                                  camera (Emi 2001) to
                                determine whether
                                  it was zoomed out
                                so tilted down to
                                  stop shooting off the top of the set
                                  or pointing straight
                                at an artist when
                                  zoomed in.
                                Interesting,
                                    Martin, never thought of that, used
                                    to seeing a monitor.
                                After I left I
                                    believe that 9? monitors were fitted
                                    to booms, where the SS could punch
                                    up the following wide shot.
                                ?
                                The camera person's
                                  fingers out or in movement on the zoom
                                  control also gave
                                away a change of
                                  shot.
                                Good camera persons
                                  would just have to point a finger
                                  upwards to indicate
                                you were still in
                                  the next shot by a fraction
                                and then the thumb
                                  would come up if corrected, not to
                                  mention the vision
                                mixer's rare cry of
                                  "boom up" and then the cut was made.
                                This was so
                                    different in the Film Industry ? I
                                    went o take a peek through the
                                    viewfinder, to be turfed off by the
                                    operator with: ?I?m the one who
                                    looks?
                                Asking for a
                                    top limit ? tilted up, said you?re
                                    OK there, and tilted back down,
                                NOT Good
                                    enough!
                                ?
                                All this as well as
                                  being mindful of shadows and following
                                  the script with
                                the major moves
                                  marked up.
                                In films, it
                                    was essential to make friends with
                                    the gaffer spark to get flags set to
                                    minimise shadows.
                                and why did makeup
                                  ladies always stand in front of the
                                  monitor just as the
                                vital shot change
                                  was about to happen?
                                So you
                                    remonstrate with them and invite
                                    them out to dinner?
                                Pat
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Thu Mar 21 08:10:19 2019
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2019 13:10:19 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Aircraft while shooting
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It once worked the other way for me!
Filming in Florence, I had a radio mic on the presenter ? completing a take, everyone was looking at me.
?What about the helicopter, Pat??
?What helicopter??
Gales of laughter, as they were convinced that the soundman was deaf!
But, although they could hear it, I could not ? on the mike!
Pat

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From: Geoff Fletcher
Sent: 20 March 2019 17:30
To: patheigham
Cc: Martin Eccles; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Tech1] 1961

Working on location shoots on film dramas I was always amazed by the audio acuity of the sound recordist. I know it is a cliche but I lost count of the number of times they stopped us rolling because they had picked up on some distant noise ( approaching aircraft was a common one) that the rest of us couldn?t yet hear or simply hadn?t noticed.
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From vernon.dyer at btinternet.com  Thu Mar 21 11:11:30 2019
From: vernon.dyer at btinternet.com (Vernon Dyer)
Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2019 16:11:30 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] 1961
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On location for Emmerdale Farm in the late 70s/early 80s, once we had a light aircraft circling overhead for some time, and we just had to wait until it eventually went away.  A few days later in the bar one of the VTR guys said ?I was flying over you lot the other day.  You didn?t seem to be doing very much  .....?   Grrrrr!!  

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From: John Howell via Tech1
Sent: 21 March 2019 11:48
To: Geoff Fletcher
Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Tech1] 1961

I s'pose nowadays whilst waiting for the aircraft to pass the recordist could run 'FlightRadar24' on his mobile and tell everyone the destination, make, height, airline & name of the pilot's cat!
John H.

On 21/03/2019 08:46, Geoff Fletcher wrote:
Good one John! When we were shooting in North Norfolk I frequently had to ring RAF Coltishall and ask if they could avoid the area we were shooting in. They always obliged if they could. We cultivated good relations with the local aviation scene - we were never very far from active airfields in Norfolk.
Geoff F

On Wed, 20 Mar 2019 at 18:05, John Howell via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
Thank you Geoff for your kind remarks,
On the Lot with Eastenders one of my favorite shouts was "Wait for the second engine!" The diesel express trains that thundered through Borehamwood went into a cutting and things were quiet enough then the engine at the rear passed by!
John H.


On 20/03/2019 17:30, Geoff Fletcher via Tech1 wrote:
Working on location shoots on film dramas I was always amazed by the audio acuity of the sound recordist. I know it is a cliche but I lost count of the number of times they stopped us rolling because they had picked up on some distant noise ( approaching aircraft was a common one) that the rest of us couldn?t yet hear or simply hadn?t noticed.
Geoff F

On Wed, 20 Mar 2019 at 17:25, Geoff Fletcher <geoffletch at gmail.com> wrote:
I was waiting for someone to mention the old finger indication to the boom op. On all the drama ?camera crews I worked with at the BBC it was the expected thing to do to help your sound mates out. Finger up, up, up.... then morph it into a thumbs up ready for the cut.?
Geoff F

On Mon, 18 Mar 2019 at 19:39, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
Replies in blue:
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From: Martin Eccles via Tech1
Sent: 18 March 2019 16:18
Subject: Re: [Tech1] 1961
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As a boom operator I used to use the angle of tilt of a camera (Emi 2001) to
determine whether it was zoomed out
so tilted down to stop shooting off the top of the set or pointing straight
at an artist when zoomed in.
Interesting, Martin, never thought of that, used to seeing a monitor.
After I left I believe that 9? monitors were fitted to booms, where the SS could punch up the following wide shot.
?
The camera person's fingers out or in movement on the zoom control also gave
away a change of shot.
Good camera persons would just have to point a finger upwards to indicate
you were still in the next shot by a fraction
and then the thumb would come up if corrected, not to mention the vision
mixer's rare cry of "boom up" and then the cut was made.
This was so different in the Film Industry ? I went o take a peek through the viewfinder, to be turfed off by the operator with: ?I?m the one who looks?
Asking for a top limit ? tilted up, said you?re OK there, and tilted back down,
NOT Good enough!
?
All this as well as being mindful of shadows and following the script with
the major moves marked up.
In films, it was essential to make friends with the gaffer spark to get flags set to minimise shadows.
and why did makeup ladies always stand in front of the monitor just as the
vital shot change was about to happen?
So you remonstrate with them and invite them out to dinner?
Pat
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From dave at davesound.co.uk  Thu Mar 21 11:30:23 2019
From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman)
Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2019 16:30:23 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Tech1] 1961
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In article
<CAB99AB-guQTA_Z5EROVX_p8_VZxs5gHBAczAUShypAFnaJ47dg at mail.gmail.com>,
   Geoff Fletcher via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> Working on location shoots on film dramas I was always amazed by the
> audio acuity of the sound recordist. I know it is a cliche but I lost
> count of the number of times they stopped us rolling because they had
> picked up on some distant noise ( approaching aircraft was a common one)
> that the rest of us couldn?t yet hear or simply hadn?t noticed. Geoff F

One thing that happened not long before I retired is that sparrows all but
disappeared in suburban London. And their constant chirping helped mask
other distant noises. And in London, you never get anything near silence
on location.

One amusing story. Was doing an after dark shoot on The Bill in Central
London. Much of it on the walk ways of a council mid rise block. With the
main Portsmouth line running only a few feet away - over the arches,
common in that part of London. Which had one train after another until
quite late in the evening. Had discussed it with the director, and he shot
the bits where the trains wouldn't be so much of a problem first, and left
the more intimate scenes to last. And after a long and hard day, I
reckoned we'd got a pretty good result. 

On wrap, I asked for quiet to get a decent clean single train up and past
for the dub. Which didn't suit those who just wanted to go home.

And after a few minutes a train did pass. A steam train. ;-) Still got the
crew laughter somewhere.

-- 
*Why do we say something is out of whack?  What is a whack?

    Dave Plowman     dave at davesound.co.uk     London SW 12
    


From gary_critcher at yahoo.com  Thu Mar 21 16:58:32 2019
From: gary_critcher at yahoo.com (Gary Critcher)
Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2019 21:58:32 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tech1] Producing a podcast?
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...after my radio interview the other week I've been thinking about producing a podcast but I've never been been involved with one in any way. 
 Does anyone on here have any experience or tips?

 All the best
  Gary


From pat.heigham at amps.net  Fri Mar 22 05:27:36 2019
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2019 10:27:36 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Producing a podcast?
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Talk to Toby Hadoke. He broadcasts on R4Extra, and interviewed me on a number of occasions, for Dr.Who and Out of the Unknown DVD releases.
Also a joint i/v with Mike McCarthy about our BBC careers, which turned into two long podcasts, so he knows how to do it.
thadoke at yahoo.co.uk
07900 424944

Or Andrew Edwards and Ashley Byrne at Made in Manchester Productions.
They made a World Service item about Barry Sheene, motorbike racer.
I recorded his first crash at Daytona.
0161 834 5207
a.edwards at madeinmanchester.tv  07960 629401
ashley.byrne at madeinmanchester.tv  07702 155397

I?m sure you could get help from any of these ? Toby probably best bet.

Regards
Pat


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From: Gary Critcher via Tech1
Sent: 21 March 2019 21:58
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: [Tech1] Producing a podcast?

...after my radio interview the other week I've been thinking about producing a podcast but I've never been been involved with one in any way. 
 Does anyone on here have any experience or tips?

 All the best
  Gary

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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Fri Mar 22 10:32:38 2019
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2019 15:32:38 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Train stories, now
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Scene for a play required to be played in a lovely separate compartment in a corridor train. It was decided to shoot it for real from Birmingham to Euston. Camera set up in doorway, me on boom perching on the luggage rack*. All set for first take. Turn over- speed ? action! Train enters tunnel, everyone reflected in the window!
Excellent timing!

*Luggage rack ? on a school skiing trip to Switzerland, the master in charge strapped me into the luggage rack of the Swiss train ? he was a mountaineering type who had all the straps and carabiners. All well until the ticket collector came in to inspect our documents:
?Eh! Descender-la! C?est pour le baggage ? pas une Couchette!?
Spoil sport!
Pat

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Sent: 21 March 2019 16:32
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Tech1] 1961


On wrap, I asked for quiet to get a decent clean single train up and past
for the dub. Which didn't suit those who just wanted to go home.

And after a few minutes a train did pass. A steam train. ;-) Still got the
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From rogerbunce at btinternet.com  Fri Mar 22 11:00:44 2019
From: rogerbunce at btinternet.com (ROGER BUNCE)
Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2019 16:00:44 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tech1] Producing a podcast?
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 And if you dial up Toby Hadoke's ?'Who's Round' podcast number 47 - you can even hear his interview with a Disorganised Lunch full of old Tech Ops folk - including such famous names as Bernard Newnham - with a brief appearance from Brian White as the first ever Dalek! (I'd send the link, if I knew how to do it!)
luv Rog.


    On Friday, 22 March 2019, 10:28:06 GMT, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:  
 
 
Talk to Toby Hadoke. He broadcasts on R4Extra, and interviewed me on a number of occasions, for Dr.Who and Out of the Unknown DVD releases.

Also a joint i/v with Mike McCarthy about our BBC careers, which turned into two long podcasts, so he knows how to do it.

thadoke at yahoo.co.uk

07900 424944

 ?

Or Andrew Edwards and Ashley Byrne at Made in Manchester Productions.

They made a World Service item about Barry Sheene, motorbike racer.

I recorded his first crash at Daytona.

0161 834 5207

a.edwards at madeinmanchester.tv? 07960 629401

ashley.byrne at madeinmanchester.tv? 07702 155397

 ?

I?m sure you could get help from any of these ? Toby probably best bet.

 ?

Regards

Pat

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From: Gary Critcher via Tech1
Sent: 21 March 2019 21:58
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: [Tech1] Producing a podcast?

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...after my radio interview the other week I've been thinking about producing a podcast but I've never been been involved with one in any way. 

?Does anyone on here have any experience or tips?

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From mikej at bmanor.co.uk  Fri Mar 22 11:19:57 2019
From: mikej at bmanor.co.uk (Mike Jordan)
Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2019 16:19:57 -0000
Subject: [Tech1] Train stories, now
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Shades of Breakfast TV this morning where they went to Swanage station to look at The Flying Scotsman. One camera only so had to do the engine in one bit (VT/studio in between) then went into  a Pullman carriage to interview wife of man who saved it from destruction. Handheld wireless cam (no cable in view later) worked ok on way in then presenter sat down with her and could only do a zoom out 2shot and boredom set in so camera went for walk down carriage while she talked, lots of gash VT bits from a previous programme of the whole train travelling north then a quick two shot then bye bye.
Typical make do with one camera and hope!

I also had the luggage rack experience on school trip to Switzerland in 1959/60/65 with luggage on floor to make more level space and some boys in luggage rack ? Health and Safety? But it was a nice train which initially went through streets of somewhere (forget but someone must know) onto the boat to cross channel ? all good fun for a 12 year old!

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From relong at btinternet.com  Fri Mar 22 13:03:35 2019
From: relong at btinternet.com (Roger E Long)
Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2019 18:03:35 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Train stories, now
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We did a Play for Today  called Circle Line, directed by Herbie Wise
We had four carriages and went round and round on the Circle Line for a week
We had a catering car and a make up/frock carriage
Interesting to spot the punters reactions when we entered a station, quite glad to leave that underground location, the air smelt slightly rancid.
We had been warned about de magging from the switchgear but we had no problems
It was rather tedious though.

Roger Long 

> On 22 Mar 2019, at 16:19, Mike Jordan via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Shades of Breakfast TV this morning where they went to Swanage station to look at The Flying Scotsman. One camera only so had to do the engine in one bit (VT/studio in between) then went into  a Pullman carriage to interview wife of man who saved it from destruction. Handheld wireless cam (no cable in view later) worked ok on way in then presenter sat down with her and could only do a zoom out 2shot and boredom set in so camera went for walk down carriage while she talked, lots of gash VT bits from a previous programme of the whole train travelling north then a quick two shot then bye bye.
> Typical make do with one camera and hope!
>  
> I also had the luggage rack experience on school trip to Switzerland in 1959/60/65 with luggage on floor to make more level space and some boys in luggage rack ? Health and Safety? But it was a nice train which initially went through streets of somewhere (forget but someone must know) onto the boat to cross channel ? all good fun for a 12 year old!
>  
> Mike
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Fri Mar 22 13:27:11 2019
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2019 18:27:11 +0000
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When I worked as a TVC Grams Op, if there was a remote recording, at BH or Bush, we were forbidden to take the tapes on the tube ? a taxi, or our own car. The latter was preferable, as we could have a car pass to park at TVC!
Years later, on a job for NBC Sports, I shot an interview on a train from Dusseldorf to Frankfurt. My cameraman was concerned that his viewfinder picture had a vision disturbance. So we had to break out the Betacam player and monitor from the pile of kit in the corridor, and play the tape. This was perfect, and we surmised that the viewfinder was affected by a field from the overhead power line.
That train trip was super, following the Rhine, the train had a buffet car which had a dual level seating deck and wide windows for the view. And on arrival at Frankfurt Airport station, the lift from the train platform was but a press away from directly to check-in level.
Why can?t we organize that with Heathrow. A diversion of the main West/Paddington line could go under the terminals. It was possible for the Piccadilly extension, so?..
So, who won the war?
Pat

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From: Roger E Long
Sent: 22 March 2019 18:03
To: Mike Jordan
Cc: patheigham; Dave Plowman; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Train stories, now

We did a Play for Today ?called Circle Line, directed by Herbie Wise
We had four carriages and went round and round on the Circle Line for a week
We had a catering car and a make up/frock carriage
Interesting to spot the punters reactions when we entered a station, quite glad to leave that underground location, the air smelt slightly rancid.
We had been warned about de magging from the switchgear but we had no problems
It was rather tedious though.

Roger Long?





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From keithwicksuk at gmail.com  Fri Mar 22 13:44:04 2019
From: keithwicksuk at gmail.com (Keith Wicks)
Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2019 18:44:04 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Train stories, now
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This play had good reviews and won a competition, but it upset viewers. See:

https://forgottentelevisiondrama.wordpress.com/2013/10/02/audience-hostility-play-for-today-circle-line-bbc-1971/

On Fri, 22 Mar 2019 at 18:04, Roger E Long via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
wrote:

> We did a Play for Today  called Circle Line, directed by Herbie Wise
> We had four carriages and went round and round on the Circle Line for a
> week
> We had a catering car and a make up/frock carriage
> Interesting to spot the punters reactions when we entered a station, quite
> glad to leave that underground location, the air smelt slightly rancid.
> We had been warned about de magging from the switchgear but we had no
> problems
> It was rather tedious though.
>
> Roger Long
>
> On 22 Mar 2019, at 16:19, Mike Jordan via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
> Shades of Breakfast TV this morning where they went to Swanage station to
> look at The Flying Scotsman. One camera only so had to do the engine in one
> bit (VT/studio in between) then went into  a Pullman carriage to interview
> wife of man who saved it from destruction. Handheld wireless cam (no cable
> in view later) worked ok on way in then presenter sat down with her and
> could only do a zoom out 2shot and boredom set in so camera went for walk
> down carriage while she talked, lots of gash VT bits from a previous
> programme of the whole train travelling north then a quick two shot then
> bye bye.
> Typical make do with one camera and hope!
>
> I also had the luggage rack experience on school trip to Switzerland in
> 1959/60/65 with luggage on floor to make more level space and some boys in
> luggage rack ? Health and Safety? But it was a nice train which initially
> went through streets of somewhere (forget but someone must know) onto the
> boat to cross channel ? all good fun for a 12 year old!
>
> Mike
>
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From ohbytheway.tv at gmail.com  Fri Mar 22 14:28:27 2019
From: ohbytheway.tv at gmail.com (David Denness)
Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2019 19:28:27 -0000
Subject: [Tech1] Train stories, now
In-Reply-To: <5c9528ff.1c69fb81.62c7a.09a9@mx.google.com>
References: <5c8e587b.1c69fb81.4053e.595c@mx.google.com>	<579636af26dave@davesound.co.uk>	<E1712ACEE6574EC18DCA12CEA1B4A8D8@CustomPC>	<5796b6d896dave@davesound.co.uk>	<00a201d4dda6$29473870$7bd5a950$@theeccles.uk>	<5c8ff3e0.1c69fb81.210d.33be@mx.google.com>	<CAB99AB_hV8jLVytNPpQorffQzH1DpGwd9-XHHxVHekv7YaG4-A@mail.gmail.com>	<CAB99AB-guQTA_Z5EROVX_p8_VZxs5gHBAczAUShypAFnaJ47dg@mail.gmail.com>	<57984ee5badave@davesound.co.uk>	<5c950017.1c69fb81.8da5c.4047@mx.google.com>	<EEA2486F62EF4D74AE0FA0F50CA09239@Gigabyte>	<2AF1378A-3C4D-46FC-8FBC-9A54DF87C2ED@btinternet.com>
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No one wins any war

 

From: Tech1 <tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk> On Behalf Of patheigham via Tech1
Sent: 22 March 2019 18:27
To: Roger E Long <relong at btinternet.com>; Mike Jordan <mikej at bmanor.co.uk>
Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Train stories, now

 

When I worked as a TVC Grams Op, if there was a remote recording, at BH or Bush, we were forbidden to take the tapes on the tube ? a taxi, or our own car. The latter was preferable, as we could have a car pass to park at TVC!

Years later, on a job for NBC Sports, I shot an interview on a train from Dusseldorf to Frankfurt. My cameraman was concerned that his viewfinder picture had a vision disturbance. So we had to break out the Betacam player and monitor from the pile of kit in the corridor, and play the tape. This was perfect, and we surmised that the viewfinder was affected by a field from the overhead power line.

That train trip was super, following the Rhine, the train had a buffet car which had a dual level seating deck and wide windows for the view. And on arrival at Frankfurt Airport station, the lift from the train platform was but a press away from directly to check-in level.

Why can?t we organize that with Heathrow. A diversion of the main West/Paddington line could go under the terminals. It was possible for the Piccadilly extension, so?..

So, who won the war?

Pat

 

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From: Roger E Long <mailto:relong at btinternet.com> 
Sent: 22 March 2019 18:03
To: Mike Jordan <mailto:mikej at bmanor.co.uk> 
Cc: patheigham <mailto:pat.heigham at amps.net> ; Dave Plowman <mailto:dave at davesound.co.uk> ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> 
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Train stories, now

 

We did a Play for Today  called Circle Line, directed by Herbie Wise

We had four carriages and went round and round on the Circle Line for a week

We had a catering car and a make up/frock carriage

Interesting to spot the punters reactions when we entered a station, quite glad to leave that underground location, the air smelt slightly rancid.

We had been warned about de magging from the switchgear but we had no problems

It was rather tedious though.

 

Roger Long 

 

 

 


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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Fri Mar 22 17:01:51 2019
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2019 22:01:51 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] War result pt.2
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You are correct, of course Dave! But the choices and presentation in 
some of their big stores really puts Oxford Street in the shade! Cheers, 
Dave


From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Fri Mar 22 17:02:28 2019
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2019 22:02:28 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] War result
Message-ID: <78f84995-4623-47c2-357b-0c8e3ff5cfc0@btinternet.com>

If you have ever been to Berlin and gone in some of their big stores 
it's easy to see who won the war! Cheers, Dave


From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Fri Mar 22 17:09:20 2019
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2019 22:09:20 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Aircraft while shooting
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One of the SSs at Acton could hear a glider taking off in Australia (a 
slight exageration, but you know what I mean!) Many classic drama shoots 
were halted whilst the errant aircraft faded into the distance. When he 
passed away we all went to his funeral, and burial, and as the coffin 
was being lowered into the ground .....yes, you guessed it, a small 
single-engined buzz-box flew over! There were many suppressed giggles at 
the thought of the spinning body in the coffin! RIP, Ian Leiper. Cheers, 
Dave


From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Sat Mar 23 03:49:10 2019
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2019 08:49:10 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Re. Aircraft while shooting
Message-ID: <757d3e0e-1f4c-370e-937b-67b35cc10129@btinternet.com>

One of the SSs at Acton could hear a glider taking off in Australia (a 
slight exageration, but you know what I mean!) Many classic drama shoots 
were halted whilst the errant aircraft faded into the distance. When he 
passed away we all went to his funeral, and burial, and as the coffin 
was being lowered into the ground .....yes, you guessed it, a small 
single-engined buzz-box flew over! There were many suppressed giggles at 
the thought of the spinning body in the coffin! RIP, Ian Leiper. Cheers, 
Dave


From geoffletch at gmail.com  Sat Mar 23 04:01:23 2019
From: geoffletch at gmail.com (Geoff Fletcher)
Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2019 09:01:23 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] War result
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References: <78f84995-4623-47c2-357b-0c8e3ff5cfc0@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <CAB99AB-AQjarVydmUoOA+Xb6mWZSBbkwZ5VYZMeZ6VXgRggyfg@mail.gmail.com>

The KDW store comes to mind instantly Dave.
Geoff F

On Fri, 22 Mar 2019 at 22:02, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
wrote:

> If you have ever been to Berlin and gone in some of their big stores
> it's easy to see who won the war! Cheers, Dave
>
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From graeme.wall at icloud.com  Sat Mar 23 04:03:06 2019
From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall)
Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2019 09:03:06 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] War result
In-Reply-To: <CAB99AB-AQjarVydmUoOA+Xb6mWZSBbkwZ5VYZMeZ6VXgRggyfg@mail.gmail.com>
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Good view from the top floor bar!
? 
Graeme Wall


> On 23 Mar 2019, at 09:01, Geoff Fletcher via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> The KDW store comes to mind instantly Dave.
> Geoff F
> 
> On Fri, 22 Mar 2019 at 22:02, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> If you have ever been to Berlin and gone in some of their big stores 
> it's easy to see who won the war! Cheers, Dave
> 
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From geoffletch at gmail.com  Sat Mar 23 04:05:38 2019
From: geoffletch at gmail.com (Geoff Fletcher)
Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2019 09:05:38 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] War result
In-Reply-To: <724CABCA-8AEF-403D-84BF-3EA0E268022F@icloud.com>
References: <78f84995-4623-47c2-357b-0c8e3ff5cfc0@btinternet.com>
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And you could live for a week on the wurst and cheese etc. tasting freebies
on the food floor!
Geoff F

On Sat, 23 Mar 2019 at 09:03, Graeme Wall <graeme.wall at icloud.com> wrote:

> Good view from the top floor bar!
> ?
> Graeme Wall
>
>
> > On 23 Mar 2019, at 09:01, Geoff Fletcher via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> wrote:
> >
> > The KDW store comes to mind instantly Dave.
> > Geoff F
> >
> > On Fri, 22 Mar 2019 at 22:02, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> wrote:
> > If you have ever been to Berlin and gone in some of their big stores
> > it's easy to see who won the war! Cheers, Dave
> >
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From graeme.wall at icloud.com  Sat Mar 23 04:11:06 2019
From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall)
Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2019 09:11:06 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] War result
In-Reply-To: <CAB99AB_7F0bt2RcOmCuhFo-gMQ-TOmpJ6z5Tr_S4PS6FQKvGFQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Don?t give away all my secrets.
? 
Graeme Wall


> On 23 Mar 2019, at 09:05, Geoff Fletcher <geoffletch at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> And you could live for a week on the wurst and cheese etc. tasting freebies on the food floor!
> Geoff F
> 
> On Sat, 23 Mar 2019 at 09:03, Graeme Wall <graeme.wall at icloud.com> wrote:
> Good view from the top floor bar!
> ? 
> Graeme Wall
> 
> 
> > On 23 Mar 2019, at 09:01, Geoff Fletcher via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> > 
> > The KDW store comes to mind instantly Dave.
> > Geoff F
> > 
> > On Fri, 22 Mar 2019 at 22:02, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> > If you have ever been to Berlin and gone in some of their big stores 
> > it's easy to see who won the war! Cheers, Dave
> > 
> > -- 
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From barrybonner119 at btinternet.com  Sat Mar 23 07:05:21 2019
From: barrybonner119 at btinternet.com (Barry Bonner)
Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2019 12:05:21 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Re. Aircraft while shooting
In-Reply-To: <757d3e0e-1f4c-370e-937b-67b35cc10129@btinternet.com>
References: <757d3e0e-1f4c-370e-937b-67b35cc10129@btinternet.com>
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	Whilst working out in Israel on a play in 1988 (?A Dinner of Herbs?) we were shooting in a villa on a cliff top in Netanya. I was just about to run the VT machine* when all hell breaks loose outside, planes, explosions etc!
	The Israeli airforce were doing a live-firing exercise a short distance out to sea, missiles the lot! Michael Darlow, the director, looked in my direction and said ?I don?t suppose we can get that stopped!? 
	To this day I?m not sure whether he was joking or not!

	* Strangely, with no extra pay, it was not only my job to be the location and studio Sound Supervisor and dubbing mixer, but also to be the location VT recording engineer using the Nagra/Ampex VPR5!!

	P.S. And also do the Carnet for all the kit!

	P.P.S. Any sound staff working on Eastenders in the early years would have enjoyed the sound of the visiting airship!
Barry.



On 23 Mar 2019, at 08:49, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

> One of the SSs at Acton could hear a glider taking off in Australia (a slight exageration, but you know what I mean!) Many classic drama shoots were halted whilst the errant aircraft faded into the distance. When he passed away we all went to his funeral, and burial, and as the coffin was being lowered into the ground .....yes, you guessed it, a small single-engined buzz-box flew over! There were many suppressed giggles at the thought of the spinning body in the coffin! RIP, Ian Leiper. Cheers, Dave
> 
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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Sat Mar 23 07:09:17 2019
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2019 12:09:17 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Re. Aircraft while shooting
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I hope you were paid the wages of those four jobs! Cheers, Dave


From pat.heigham at amps.net  Sat Mar 23 09:18:37 2019
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2019 14:18:37 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Re. Aircraft while shooting
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Ah! The splendid Ian Leiper.
In the 60?s TC1 Sound gallery only had one twin turntable unit.
Ian, Gram-Opping continually complained to the sound office that there should be 4 turntables, as per the other TVC studios.
One day he brought in an Edison wax cylinder player, on which he?d mounted a stereo cartridge, for vertical compliance to track the ?hill & dale? grooves. The studio maintenance TA?s had soldered the ball from a biro to the shank of the cartridge and plugged it into the sound desk. Sam Hutchings came round on his daily visit and spotted the device.
?Why?s that there??
?Because you won?t give me another two turntables!? Ian retorted!

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From: dave.mdv via Tech1
Sent: 23 March 2019 08:49
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: [Tech1] Re. Aircraft while shooting

One of the SSs at Acton could hear a glider taking off in Australia (a 
slight exageration, but you know what I mean!) Many classic drama shoots 
were halted whilst the errant aircraft faded into the distance. When he 
passed away we all went to his funeral, and burial, and as the coffin 
was being lowered into the ground .....yes, you guessed it, a small 
single-engined buzz-box flew over! There were many suppressed giggles at 
the thought of the spinning body in the coffin! RIP, Ian Leiper. Cheers, 
Dave

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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Sat Mar 23 14:21:25 2019
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2019 19:21:25 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] War result
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OK for West Berlin before the wall came down ? very different for East Germany.
I experienced several trips to East Germany, both before and after the wall.
Firstly, a visit to film a profile of Katarina Witt, Olympic ice skating star, for NBC Sports, in her home town of Halle, way south in E. Germany.  The Americans wanted a sequence of her in her old training rink, but decided on their flight over, that it should be performance ?glitzy?! We had only 3 redheads and a 2K Blonde on board.
Get more lights, the Yanks said. Not possible, says our cameraman. This is East Germany, there aren?t hire firms. We tried to shop for extra cable, but the ironmongers were bereft, as were the food shops. Miles of empty shelves.
My cameraman got them out of the doo-doo by putting the redheads with colour gels, at the far side of the rink, aimed directly at the camera opposite, with a star filter, lighting the rink with our single blonde.
Second trip to re-visit Katerina after the wall came down. People were permitted to view the secret files that the STASI secret police had on everybody. Her code name was ?Flop? apparently German for ?jump?. In the file were badly taken surveillance photos of her shopping, meeting boyfriends etc. Really looked like a terrible US cop show!
I knew a make-up lady who had relatives in West Berlin ? she stationed herself on the E side, when E Germans were allowed into West Berlin to take a look. She said that all their faces were gobsmacked at the shops and cars etc. A later discussion with an E.G. chap said that Honecker had lied to them about the ?decadent West?.

Pat

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> On 23 Mar 2019, at 09:01, Geoff Fletcher via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> The KDW store comes to mind instantly Dave.
> Geoff F
> 
> On Fri, 22 Mar 2019 at 22:02, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> If you have ever been to Berlin and gone in some of their big stores 
> it's easy to see who won the war! Cheers, Dave




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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Sat Mar 23 16:21:13 2019
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2019 21:21:13 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Re. Aircraft while shooting
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Amazing! Another story to cap mine! I think I'll give up! Cheers, Dave


From pat.heigham at amps.net  Sun Mar 24 05:47:59 2019
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2019 10:47:59 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Re. Aircraft while shooting
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Don?t give up, Dave ? your stories trigger other memories which might be forgotten! It?s great that life at TVC was pretty good really.
Regards
Pat

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From: dave.mdv
Sent: 23 March 2019 21:21
To: patheigham; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Re. Aircraft while shooting

Amazing! Another story to cap mine! I think I'll give up! Cheers, Dave



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From jpn at imixmics.co.uk  Sun Mar 24 06:47:22 2019
From: jpn at imixmics.co.uk (John Nottage)
Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2019 11:47:22 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] [SPAM?] Re:  1961
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Back in the distant past, I was doing a drama (Grange Hill?) in a 
disused church in the middle of Salisbury Plain Army Range. We had to 
drive in carefully, avoiding unexploded ordinance. They told us we had 
to finish by 6pm. We didn't, of course. At exactly 6pm, the guns & bombs 
started - boom! bang! We left hurriedly of course. I'm sure the SS was 
Ian Leiper. He had pulled off one of the access roads slightly for some 
reason & ended up with those 2 tyres shredded by shrapnel! It probably 
wasn't Ian or Grange hill, but maybe someone else remembers it better.

John

On 21/03/2019 16:11, Vernon Dyer via Tech1 wrote:
> On location for Emmerdale Farm in the late 70s/early 80s, once we had a 
> light aircraft circling overhead for some time, and we just had to wait 
> until it eventually went away.? A few days later in the bar one of the 
> VTR guys said ?I was flying over you lot the other day.? You didn?t seem 
> to be doing very much? .....??? Grrrrr!!
> 
> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for 
> Windows 10
> 
> *From: *John Howell via Tech1 <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> *Sent: *21 March 2019 11:48
> *To: *Geoff Fletcher <mailto:geoffletch at gmail.com>
> *Cc: *tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> *Subject: *Re: [Tech1] 1961
> 
> I s'pose nowadays whilst waiting for the aircraft to pass the recordist 
> could run 'FlightRadar24' on his mobile and tell everyone the 
> destination, make, height, airline & name of the pilot's cat!
> 
> John H.
> 




From waresound at msn.com  Sun Mar 24 15:10:36 2019
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2019 20:10:36 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] War result
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Aw, Pat. You missed out the best bit. ?Your? cameraman still dines out on the bit about the prized rubber plant and the lighting stand ??
Nick.
Sent from my iPad

On 23 Mar 2019, at 19:22, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk<mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:

OK for West Berlin before the wall came down ? very different for East Germany.
I experienced several trips to East Germany, both before and after the wall.
Firstly, a visit to film a profile of Katarina Witt, Olympic ice skating star, for NBC Sports, in her home town of Halle, way south in E. Germany.  The Americans wanted a sequence of her in her old training rink, but decided on their flight over, that it should be performance ?glitzy?! We had only 3 redheads and a 2K Blonde on board.
Get more lights, the Yanks said. Not possible, says our cameraman. This is East Germany, there aren?t hire firms. We tried to shop for extra cable, but the ironmongers were bereft, as were the food shops. Miles of empty shelves.
My cameraman got them out of the doo-doo by putting the redheads with colour gels, at the far side of the rink, aimed directly at the camera opposite, with a star filter, lighting the rink with our single blonde.
Second trip to re-visit Katerina after the wall came down. People were permitted to view the secret files that the STASI secret police had on everybody. Her code name was ?Flop? apparently German for ?jump?. In the file were badly taken surveillance photos of her shopping, meeting boyfriends etc. Really looked like a terrible US cop show!
I knew a make-up lady who had relatives in West Berlin ? she stationed herself on the E side, when E Germans were allowed into West Berlin to take a look. She said that all their faces were gobsmacked at the shops and cars etc. A later discussion with an E.G. chap said that Honecker had lied to them about the ?decadent West?.

Pat

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> On 23 Mar 2019, at 09:01, Geoff Fletcher via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk<mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:
>
> The KDW store comes to mind instantly Dave.
> Geoff F
>
> On Fri, 22 Mar 2019 at 22:02, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk<mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:
> If you have ever been to Berlin and gone in some of their big stores
> it's easy to see who won the war! Cheers, Dave



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From geoffletch at gmail.com  Sun Mar 24 15:43:38 2019
From: geoffletch at gmail.com (Geoff Fletcher)
Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2019 20:43:38 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] [SPAM?] Re: 1961
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John, your story reminds me of when I was UM on Anglia Tv?s PD James serial
Black Tower. We had two weeks shooting in Dorset. We used the tower on the
edge of the cliff at Kimmeridge Bay as our Black Tower. (Now moved further
inland by the NT) One sunny morning we were happily shooting away when we
noticed a large Navy warship sail into the bay, execute a smart turn to
port. and head out along the coast. Next thing we knew, it began firing
shells onto the land! Lots of bangs and flashes and howling of shells
passing through the atmosphere, followed by distant crumps and clouds of
dust. I had checked with the Army re exercises on the training area
beforehand, but this came out of the blue. Nothing for it but to break
early and enjoy the show!
Geoff F
On Sun, 24 Mar 2019 at 11:47, John Nottage via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
wrote:

> Back in the distant past, I was doing a drama (Grange Hill?) in a
> disused church in the middle of Salisbury Plain Army Range. We had to
> drive in carefully, avoiding unexploded ordinance. They told us we had
> to finish by 6pm. We didn't, of course. At exactly 6pm, the guns & bombs
> started - boom! bang! We left hurriedly of course. I'm sure the SS was
> Ian Leiper. He had pulled off one of the access roads slightly for some
> reason & ended up with those 2 tyres shredded by shrapnel! It probably
> wasn't Ian or Grange hill, but maybe someone else remembers it better.
>
> John
>
> On 21/03/2019 16:11, Vernon Dyer via Tech1 wrote:
> > On location for Emmerdale Farm in the late 70s/early 80s, once we had a
> > light aircraft circling overhead for some time, and we just had to wait
> > until it eventually went away.  A few days later in the bar one of the
> > VTR guys said ?I was flying over you lot the other day.  You didn?t seem
> > to be doing very much  .....?   Grrrrr!!
> >
> > Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
> > Windows 10
> >
> > *From: *John Howell via Tech1 <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> > *Sent: *21 March 2019 11:48
> > *To: *Geoff Fletcher <mailto:geoffletch at gmail.com>
> > *Cc: *tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> > *Subject: *Re: [Tech1] 1961
> >
> > I s'pose nowadays whilst waiting for the aircraft to pass the recordist
> > could run 'FlightRadar24' on his mobile and tell everyone the
> > destination, make, height, airline & name of the pilot's cat!
> >
> > John H.
> >
>
>
>
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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Sun Mar 24 16:45:33 2019
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2019 21:45:33 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] [SPAM?] Re: 1961
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I made a documentary for BBC Choice about bomb disposal men. There was 
just the two of us, me and my assistant Antonia. One day we were filming 
(DV-ing) in a field on an army base in Essex, where the training course 
we were attached to was learning about disposing of small battlefield 
leftovers - ammo etc. I was changing tapes in a shed away from the 
action when Antonia appeared. In her hand were three sticks of plastic 
explosive. "We're not allowed to leave here without having blown 
something up". So we did.

B



On 24/03/2019 20:43, Geoff Fletcher via Tech1 wrote:
> John, your story reminds me of when I was UM on Anglia Tv?s PD James 
> serial Black Tower. We had two weeks shooting in Dorset. We used the 
> tower on the edge of the cliff at Kimmeridge Bay as our Black Tower. 
> (Now moved further inland by the NT) One sunny morning we were happily 
> shooting away when we noticed a large Navy warship sail into the bay, 
> execute a smart turn to port. and head out along the coast. Next thing 
> we knew, it began firing shells onto the land! Lots of bangs and 
> flashes and howling of shells passing through the atmosphere, followed 
> by distant crumps and clouds of dust. I had checked with the Army re 
> exercises on the training area beforehand, but this came out of the 
> blue. Nothing for it but to break early and enjoy the show!
> Geoff F
> On Sun, 24 Mar 2019 at 11:47, John Nottage via Tech1 
> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:
>
>     Back in the distant past, I was doing a drama (Grange Hill?) in a
>     disused church in the middle of Salisbury Plain Army Range. We had to
>     drive in carefully, avoiding unexploded ordinance. They told us we
>     had
>     to finish by 6pm. We didn't, of course. At exactly 6pm, the guns &
>     bombs
>     started - boom! bang! We left hurriedly of course. I'm sure the SS
>     was
>     Ian Leiper. He had pulled off one of the access roads slightly for
>     some
>     reason & ended up with those 2 tyres shredded by shrapnel! It
>     probably
>     wasn't Ian or Grange hill, but maybe someone else remembers it better.
>
>     John
>
>     On 21/03/2019 16:11, Vernon Dyer via Tech1 wrote:
>     > On location for Emmerdale Farm in the late 70s/early 80s, once
>     we had a
>     > light aircraft circling overhead for some time, and we just had
>     to wait
>     > until it eventually went away.? A few days later in the bar one
>     of the
>     > VTR guys said ?I was flying over you lot the other day.? You
>     didn?t seem
>     > to be doing very much? .....??? Grrrrr!!
>     >
>     > Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
>     > Windows 10
>     >
>     > *From: *John Howell via Tech1 <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>     <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>>
>     > *Sent: *21 March 2019 11:48
>     > *To: *Geoff Fletcher <mailto:geoffletch at gmail.com
>     <mailto:geoffletch at gmail.com>>
>     > *Cc: *tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
>     <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>>
>     > *Subject: *Re: [Tech1] 1961
>     >
>     > I s'pose nowadays whilst waiting for the aircraft to pass the
>     recordist
>     > could run 'FlightRadar24' on his mobile and tell everyone the
>     > destination, make, height, airline & name of the pilot's cat!
>     >
>     > John H.
>     >
>
>
>
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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Sun Mar 24 16:45:49 2019
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2019 21:45:49 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] [SPAM?] Re: 1961
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I made a documentary for BBC Choice about bomb disposal men. There was 
just the two of us, me and my assistant Antonia. One day we were filming 
(DV-ing) in a field on an army base in Essex, where the training course 
we were attached to was learning about disposing of small battlefield 
leftovers - ammo etc. I was changing tapes in a shed away from the 
action when Antonia appeared. In her hand were three sticks of plastic 
explosive. "We're not allowed to leave here without having blown 
something up". So we did.

B



On 24/03/2019 20:43, Geoff Fletcher via Tech1 wrote:
> John, your story reminds me of when I was UM on Anglia Tv?s PD James 
> serial Black Tower. We had two weeks shooting in Dorset. We used the 
> tower on the edge of the cliff at Kimmeridge Bay as our Black Tower. 
> (Now moved further inland by the NT) One sunny morning we were happily 
> shooting away when we noticed a large Navy warship sail into the bay, 
> execute a smart turn to port. and head out along the coast. Next thing 
> we knew, it began firing shells onto the land! Lots of bangs and 
> flashes and howling of shells passing through the atmosphere, followed 
> by distant crumps and clouds of dust. I had checked with the Army re 
> exercises on the training area beforehand, but this came out of the 
> blue. Nothing for it but to break early and enjoy the show!
> Geoff F
> On Sun, 24 Mar 2019 at 11:47, John Nottage via Tech1 
> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:
>
>     Back in the distant past, I was doing a drama (Grange Hill?) in a
>     disused church in the middle of Salisbury Plain Army Range. We had to
>     drive in carefully, avoiding unexploded ordinance. They told us we
>     had
>     to finish by 6pm. We didn't, of course. At exactly 6pm, the guns &
>     bombs
>     started - boom! bang! We left hurriedly of course. I'm sure the SS
>     was
>     Ian Leiper. He had pulled off one of the access roads slightly for
>     some
>     reason & ended up with those 2 tyres shredded by shrapnel! It
>     probably
>     wasn't Ian or Grange hill, but maybe someone else remembers it better.
>
>     John
>
>     On 21/03/2019 16:11, Vernon Dyer via Tech1 wrote:
>     > On location for Emmerdale Farm in the late 70s/early 80s, once
>     we had a
>     > light aircraft circling overhead for some time, and we just had
>     to wait
>     > until it eventually went away.? A few days later in the bar one
>     of the
>     > VTR guys said ?I was flying over you lot the other day.? You
>     didn?t seem
>     > to be doing very much? .....??? Grrrrr!!
>     >
>     > Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
>     > Windows 10
>     >
>     > *From: *John Howell via Tech1 <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>     <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>>
>     > *Sent: *21 March 2019 11:48
>     > *To: *Geoff Fletcher <mailto:geoffletch at gmail.com
>     <mailto:geoffletch at gmail.com>>
>     > *Cc: *tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
>     <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>>
>     > *Subject: *Re: [Tech1] 1961
>     >
>     > I s'pose nowadays whilst waiting for the aircraft to pass the
>     recordist
>     > could run 'FlightRadar24' on his mobile and tell everyone the
>     > destination, make, height, airline & name of the pilot's cat!
>     >
>     > John H.
>     >
>
>
>
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From relong at btinternet.com  Sun Mar 24 17:46:08 2019
From: relong at btinternet.com (Roger E Long)
Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2019 22:46:08 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] [SPAM?] Re: 1961
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We were shooting Monocled Mutineer on the Somerset Levels(great for Design becos the trenches would flood if not pumped overnight)
We had loads of whizz  bangs,StarShell and huge pyros
At the end of the trenches shoot I asked the Viz FX for a big bang WTs
They gathered up all the short ends and duds for a final big un.
The countdown began, suddenly a Landrover hurtled into view and a distraught Farmer pleaded for no more explosions, his cattle were in a covered yard awaiting milking and panicking at the  din.
No big Bang, the design guys distributed the remains all over the site and dug em back into the peat?.
6 weeks later ,one of the guys gave me a Sennheiser MD 442 we had lost in an explosion, it had turned up on the surface of the working Peat extraction plant, it was in full working order.

Roger Long

> On 24 Mar 2019, at 21:45, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> I made a documentary for BBC Choice about bomb disposal men. There was just the two of us, me and my assistant Antonia. One day we were filming (DV-ing) in a field on an army base in Essex, where the training course we were attached to was learning about disposing of small battlefield leftovers - ammo etc. I was changing tapes in a shed away from the action when Antonia appeared. In her hand were three sticks of plastic explosive. "We're not allowed to leave here without having blown something up". So we did.
> 
> B
> 
>  
> 
> On 24/03/2019 20:43, Geoff Fletcher via Tech1 wrote:
>> John, your story reminds me of when I was UM on Anglia Tv?s PD James serial Black Tower. We had two weeks shooting in Dorset. We used the tower on the edge of the cliff at Kimmeridge Bay as our Black Tower. (Now moved further inland by the NT) One sunny morning we were happily shooting away when we noticed a large Navy warship sail into the bay, execute a smart turn to port. and head out along the coast. Next thing we knew, it began firing shells onto the land! Lots of bangs and flashes and howling of shells passing through the atmosphere, followed by distant crumps and clouds of dust. I had checked with the Army re exercises on the training area beforehand, but this came out of the blue. Nothing for it but to break early and enjoy the show!
>> Geoff F
>> On Sun, 24 Mar 2019 at 11:47, John Nottage via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:
>> Back in the distant past, I was doing a drama (Grange Hill?) in a 
>> disused church in the middle of Salisbury Plain Army Range. We had to 
>> drive in carefully, avoiding unexploded ordinance. They told us we had 
>> to finish by 6pm. We didn't, of course. At exactly 6pm, the guns & bombs 
>> started - boom! bang! We left hurriedly of course. I'm sure the SS was 
>> Ian Leiper. He had pulled off one of the access roads slightly for some 
>> reason & ended up with those 2 tyres shredded by shrapnel! It probably 
>> wasn't Ian or Grange hill, but maybe someone else remembers it better.
>> 
>> John
>> 
>> On 21/03/2019 16:11, Vernon Dyer via Tech1 wrote:
>> > On location for Emmerdale Farm in the late 70s/early 80s, once we had a 
>> > light aircraft circling overhead for some time, and we just had to wait 
>> > until it eventually went away.  A few days later in the bar one of the 
>> > VTR guys said ?I was flying over you lot the other day.  You didn?t seem 
>> > to be doing very much  .....?   Grrrrr!!
>> > 
>> > Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986 <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986>> for 
>> > Windows 10
>> > 
>> > *From: *John Howell via Tech1 <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>>
>> > *Sent: *21 March 2019 11:48
>> > *To: *Geoff Fletcher <mailto:geoffletch at gmail.com <mailto:geoffletch at gmail.com>>
>> > *Cc: *tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>>
>> > *Subject: *Re: [Tech1] 1961
>> > 
>> > I s'pose nowadays whilst waiting for the aircraft to pass the recordist 
>> > could run 'FlightRadar24' on his mobile and tell everyone the 
>> > destination, make, height, airline & name of the pilot's cat!
>> > 
>> > John H.
>> > 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Tue Mar 26 18:20:22 2019
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2019 23:20:22 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Toilet cisterns
Message-ID: <fac6ade5-3ca8-980c-875b-44f1488538f2@btinternet.com>

I have just de-rigged our 1975 Avocado toilet because the boss decided 
it was the wrong colour, and installed a brand new white one, which are 
all the rage (apparently!). Anyway, my query is that all the cisterns I 
have installed so far have had a siphon flush but this new one is just a 
simple flap, attached to the lever by a chain, and that is all there is! 
Is this acceptable under water regulations? Cheers, Dave


From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net  Tue Mar 26 19:00:13 2019
From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt)
Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2019 00:00:13 -0000
Subject: [Tech1] Toilet cisterns
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These flap type have been around for some years now Dave and are fine regs. 
wise unless they are of dubious unnamed origin without any compliance 
credentials. Fluidmaster is a well known brand. The type of fill valve they 
are associated with often performs an ancillary function ('Leak Sentry') 
which, in the event of the fill valve not shutting off, shunts the water 
into the pan rather than through a traditional overflow. The visibility of 
this process draws attention to the failure and jolts you into maintenance 
mode.

If you operate the lever and release immediately a short flush operates. If 
you hold the lever open, the flush continues until the cistern contents are 
exhausted. Lever action is lighter than with conventional syphon mechanisms.

The nature of the fill mechanism makes them perform much more satisfactorily 
with low water pressures. Have used several and been impressed.

Re the avocado - there are specialist firms charging fortunes for 
sanitaryware in long forgotten colours. Don't bin it without checking!

Regards,

Dave Newbitt.



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From: dave.mdv via Tech1
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To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: [Tech1] Toilet cisterns

I have just de-rigged our 1975 Avocado toilet because the boss decided
it was the wrong colour, and installed a brand new white one, which are
all the rage (apparently!). Anyway, my query is that all the cisterns I
have installed so far have had a siphon flush but this new one is just a
simple flap, attached to the lever by a chain, and that is all there is!
Is this acceptable under water regulations? Cheers, Dave

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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Tue Mar 26 19:34:57 2019
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2019 00:34:57 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Toilet cisterns
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Thanks Dave, nice to know that it is legal! Sadly it cost ?4 at the tip 
to dispose of it. I liked it, but I had ordered a double-trap siphonic 
bowl in 1975 and I was given a normal washdown. It took a long while for 
me to discover that I had been given something different! My wife has 
auto-immune disease of the liver which means that her poo floats and 
will never go down the hole! The Topaz washdown bowl doesn't encourage 
anything to go anywhere as it just has a lot of holes round the rim and 
no pressure on the contents. Hopefully the flap version dumps the water 
very quickly and that should sort out the problem!. Cheers, Dave


From alanaudio at me.com  Wed Mar 27 03:51:16 2019
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2019 08:51:16 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Fwd:  Re. Aircraft while shooting
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It's not just aircraft which hold up shooting.  When shooting in the countryside, tractors and other agricultural machinery can be very disruptive.

I sometimes used to spot a distant tractor operating in a nearby field and the nature of farming is that they progressively work their way around a huge field, invariable getting closer and closer to the shooting location whereupon it would become problematical.  While the tractor was quite a long way away, I would make a little show of mentioning it to my boom op and after listening intently, I might declare that it sounded like a Massey Ferguson. Some time later, when the tractor got closer, somebody would be sure to look over the hedge and read the name Massey Ferguson on it, which prompted speculation that we were either bullshitting, or had amazing hearing.  Next time, another tractor appeared I would do the same routine and declare that it was a John Deere.  Again, when it got close, that was what it turned out to be.  Over the course of a long shoot, we would have convinced many of the crew that we could identify any tractor from it's engine sound.

The trick was very simple.  When a farmer orders a tractor, they can't specify the colour, it comes in the manufacturer's colour, and somebody who lives in the countryside would soon notice that John Deere uses green, Ford blue, Massey Ferguson Red etc.  

Best ever result was when working with gaffer John Dowzell.  He had been intrigued by my ruse but hadn't worked out how I did it.  It was a sunny day and there was no need for lighting, except maybe for a reflector board during close ups, so he didn't have much to do. In the distance we could hear a tractor and I had only got a brief glimpse before it got hidden in the contours of the land.  John challenged me to identify what type that one was.  I had seen that it was predominantly white, which could have meant it was a David Brown ( as in Aston Martin ), but it didn't look quite right for right, so I said I wasn't certain, but I would go out on a limb and guess that it might be a Lamborghini.  John used to trade cars on the side, so knew about Lamborghinis, the exotic cars, but had never heard of their tractors and thought that speculation that it could a Lambo was preposterous.  I explained that just as with David Brown, they initially made tractors and then branched into luxury cars, which instantly convinced him that I had to be winding him up.  To cover myself, I mentioned that although I felt this mystery tractor was most likely a Lamborghini, it did sound a bit like John Brown too and as I don't get to hear many of either of them, it was hard to be certain which if them it was, but I was pretty sure it was one or the other.  When the tractor got closer, John made sure that he was in a good position to read the name. I first got confirmation that it really was a Lamborghini when John looked gobsmacked, but said absolutely nothing. 

Alan Taylor

From ohbytheway.tv at gmail.com  Wed Mar 27 04:57:12 2019
From: ohbytheway.tv at gmail.com (David Denness)
Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2019 09:57:12 -0000
Subject: [Tech1] Fwd:  Re. Aircraft while shooting
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Alan,
Sounds like a typical Taylor wind up to me.
Hope you're well
Dave D

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To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: Re. Aircraft while shooting


It's not just aircraft which hold up shooting.  When shooting in the
countryside, tractors and other agricultural machinery can be very
disruptive.

I sometimes used to spot a distant tractor operating in a nearby field and
the nature of farming is that they progressively work their way around a
huge field, invariable getting closer and closer to the shooting location
whereupon it would become problematical.  While the tractor was quite a long
way away, I would make a little show of mentioning it to my boom op and
after listening intently, I might declare that it sounded like a Massey
Ferguson. Some time later, when the tractor got closer, somebody would be
sure to look over the hedge and read the name Massey Ferguson on it, which
prompted speculation that we were either bullshitting, or had amazing
hearing.  Next time, another tractor appeared I would do the same routine
and declare that it was a John Deere.  Again, when it got close, that was
what it turned out to be.  Over the course of a long shoot, we would have
convinced many of the crew that we could identify any tractor from it's
engine sound.

The trick was very simple.  When a farmer orders a tractor, they can't
specify the colour, it comes in the manufacturer's colour, and somebody who
lives in the countryside would soon notice that John Deere uses green, Ford
blue, Massey Ferguson Red etc.  

Best ever result was when working with gaffer John Dowzell.  He had been
intrigued by my ruse but hadn't worked out how I did it.  It was a sunny day
and there was no need for lighting, except maybe for a reflector board
during close ups, so he didn't have much to do. In the distance we could
hear a tractor and I had only got a brief glimpse before it got hidden in
the contours of the land.  John challenged me to identify what type that one
was.  I had seen that it was predominantly white, which could have meant it
was a David Brown ( as in Aston Martin ), but it didn't look quite right for
right, so I said I wasn't certain, but I would go out on a limb and guess
that it might be a Lamborghini.  John used to trade cars on the side, so
knew about Lamborghinis, the exotic cars, but had never heard of their
tractors and thought that speculation that it could a Lambo was
preposterous.  I explained that just as with David Brown, they initially
made tractors and then branched into luxury c  ars, which instantly
convinced him that I had to be winding him up.  To cover myself, I mentioned
that although I felt this mystery tractor was most likely a Lamborghini, it
did sound a bit like John Brown too and as I don't get to hear many of
either of them, it was hard to be certain which if them it was, but I was
pretty sure it was one or the other.  When the tractor got closer, John made
sure that he was in a good position to read the name. I first got
confirmation that it really was a Lamborghini when John looked gobsmacked,
but said absolutely nothing. 

Alan Taylor
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From waresound at msn.com  Wed Mar 27 05:48:25 2019
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2019 10:48:25 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Toilet cisterns
In-Reply-To: <1f645afd-bf11-caca-7b8b-a646f18bd509@btinternet.com>
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All this lavatorial talk! We?ve recently moved house, and the first thing that has to go is the highly unfashionable (though the vendors thought it lovely) pink bathroom suite. The toilet has a traditional cranky old ball-cock, you?ll be pleased to hear. Odd that they kept it, as the en-suite includes a modern white loo with a bottom entry (if you?ll pardon the expression) float valve.
We would love to offer the pink suite to anyone here for a suitably extortionate sum of money. Or maybe even for nothing if you prefer. Or perhaps you know of a prop-hire company who would like it. But come to think of it, even they probably don?t get much call for a pink bathroom suite!
I?m rather drawn to the idea of having one of those luxurious loos that wipes, washes and air dries the derriere for you, then runs a clean change of seat cover round the rim as you leave.
Or maybe not.
Cheers,
Nick.
Sent from my iPad

On 27 Mar 2019, at 00:35, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk<mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:

Thanks Dave, nice to know that it is legal! Sadly it cost ?4 at the tip to dispose of it. I liked it, but I had ordered a double-trap siphonic bowl in 1975 and I was given a normal washdown. It took a long while for me to discover that I had been given something different! My wife has auto-immune disease of the liver which means that her poo floats and will never go down the hole! The Topaz washdown bowl doesn't encourage anything to go anywhere as it just has a lot of holes round the rim and no pressure on the contents. Hopefully the flap version dumps the water very quickly and that should sort out the problem!. Cheers, Dave

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From geoffreyhawkes at btinternet.com  Wed Mar 27 06:07:19 2019
From: geoffreyhawkes at btinternet.com (Geoffrey Hawkes)
Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2019 11:07:19 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Toilet cisterns - input and output
In-Reply-To: <fac6ade5-3ca8-980c-875b-44f1488538f2@btinternet.com>
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It?s fascinating what diversity of topics arise on here, either to inform, educate or entertain in good Reithian tradition. This one excels in that it meets all three in one. ?Amazing Dave? I say for tackling a plumbing job like replacing a toilet cistern, pan an all. I?ve done only a little of that sort of thing in the past. It was to replace the diaphragm that initiates the flush and the doughnut between the cistern and the pan in a close-coupled type. Getting it all done and dry took several goes as I remember. As for the symphonic type, I was told years ago that they were obsolete, efficient and silent though they were. The problem with the reduced water cisterns is that it sometimes needs more than one flush to dispose of the load, which defeats the object. The replacement one we have in our bathroom has the overflow directed into the pan rather than the conventional warning pipe through the wall and I?m still not sure how you?re meant to notice what?s happening when it used to be very obvious. In fact the plumber who did our main heating and toilet installations originally said that the best place for the warning pipes to emerge was over the back door so you?d know straight away and be obliged to do something about it.
Nice to hear your story Dave and I look forward to hearing more when we meet for lunch, though perhaps sparing the details while we eat,
Regards,
Geoff

> On 26 Mar 2019, at 23:20, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> I have just de-rigged our 1975 Avocado toilet because the boss decided it was the wrong colour, and installed a brand new white one, which are all the rage (apparently!). Anyway, my query is that all the cisterns I have installed so far have had a siphon flush but this new one is just a simple flap, attached to the lever by a chain, and that is all there is! Is this acceptable under water regulations? Cheers, Dave
> 
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Wed Mar 27 06:45:02 2019
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2019 11:45:02 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Toilet cisterns
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If this is what you are referring to, I believe I saw an advertisement in a Sunday supplement. For around ?3K !
https://vitra-vcare.co.uk/

So hardly a question of ?spending-a-penny? ? rather a lot of pennies!
Pat

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Nick Ware via Tech1
Sent: 27 March 2019 10:48
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Toilet cisterns

I?m rather drawn to the idea of having one of those luxurious loos that wipes, washes and air dries the derriere for you, then runs a clean change of seat cover round the rim as you leave.?
Or maybe not.
Cheers,
Nick.



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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Wed Mar 27 07:03:35 2019
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2019 12:03:35 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Toilet cisterns
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Message-ID: <bf0228f6-e6d2-9ada-0db0-c90041633eb3@gmail.com>

After a trip to Tokyo, I too really fancied a Washlet - 
https://s7d3.scene7.com/is/image/totousa/MW6142034CUFG_GAL_01 - with the 
arm on the side covered in obscure icons and buttons that spray and blow 
warm air.? Truly a life enhancing experience. When I looked it all up, 
it wants electricity - so fancy isolator stuff - and more water head 
than I have.? Also very expensive, so I gave up. My week in semi-rural 
Thailand the other week offered an easier solution. Toilet paper there 
is meant for drying only, as the soil pipes aren't fat ones like ours. 
Cleaning is done with the spray found by the side of most 
non-European-tourist Asian hotels, and everywhere else.? The hardware 
store by my hotel in Krabi had a wall of them in their plumbing section, 
so quite a deal there.

When I got home I bought one from Amazon, as they have lots. Fitting it 
has been more of a deal, though I think it's sorted now.? It has a three 
way tap thing that you attach to the cistern inlet. You're supposed to 
keep the tap turned off when not using it to lessen the pressure on the 
spray, but? it turns out that (of course) three way taps are "handed" 
and mine just didn't work where it was supposed to fit. You couldn't 
turn the tap because there isn't room. Three days fun with plumbing has 
followed, though I think it's sorted now.? I'm now very much qualified 
to consult on toilet sprays, if anyone needs such a service.

As Geoff says - the subjects we get on to!

B



On 27/03/2019 10:48, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote:
> All this lavatorial talk! We?ve recently moved house, and the first 
> thing that has to go is the highly unfashionable (though the vendors 
> thought it lovely) pink bathroom suite. The toilet has a traditional 
> cranky old ball-cock, you?ll be pleased to hear. Odd that they kept 
> it, as the en-suite includes a modern white loo with a bottom entry 
> (if you?ll pardon the expression) float valve.
> We would love to offer the pink suite to anyone here for a suitably 
> extortionate sum of money. Or maybe even for nothing if you prefer. Or 
> perhaps you know of a prop-hire company who would like it. But come to 
> think of it, even they probably don?t get much call for a pink 
> bathroom suite!
> I?m rather drawn to the idea of having one of those luxurious loos 
> that wipes, washes and air dries the derriere for you, then runs a 
> clean change of seat cover round the rim as you leave.
> Or maybe not.
> Cheers,
> Nick.
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On 27 Mar 2019, at 00:35, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk 
> <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:
>
>> Thanks Dave, nice to know that it is legal! Sadly it cost ?4 at the 
>> tip to dispose of it. I liked it, but I had ordered a double-trap 
>> siphonic bowl in 1975 and I was given a normal washdown. It took a 
>> long while for me to discover that I had been given something 
>> different! My wife has auto-immune disease of the liver which means 
>> that her poo floats and will never go down the hole! The Topaz 
>> washdown bowl doesn't encourage anything to go anywhere as it just 
>> has a lot of holes round the rim and no pressure on the contents. 
>> Hopefully the flap version dumps the water very quickly and that 
>> should sort out the problem!. Cheers, Dave
>>
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From gary_critcher at yahoo.com  Wed Mar 27 07:07:10 2019
From: gary_critcher at yahoo.com (Gary Critcher)
Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2019 12:07:10 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tech1] having a clear-out; Goon Show cd?
References: <1644320797.19519131.1553688430545.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
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?Having a bit of a clearout and have come across a CD of a Goon Show that a friend copied for me years ago.It's taken from the original 10" discs issued by the Transcription Service in the 50's, so it's the full length episode (no music cuts etc).
?The episode is 'The Shifting Sands' (TX 24.1.57) which had a guest appearance by Jack Train, reprising his character of Colonel Chinstrap from ITMA.
?If anyone would like it, let me know & I'll get it in the post.
all the best,?? Gary C
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From mikej at bmanor.co.uk  Wed Mar 27 07:09:13 2019
From: mikej at bmanor.co.uk (Mike Jordan)
Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2019 12:09:13 -0000
Subject: [Tech1] Toilet cisterns
In-Reply-To: <5c9b623e.1c69fb81.46b8a.e252@mx.google.com>
References: <fac6ade5-3ca8-980c-875b-44f1488538f2@btinternet.com><26B66F38EB524013ADCA349F10B26E51@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>,
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Todays best funny video is on their website!
I see it is not for (most of) us as it only has a ?feminine/posterior? wash option ? though I spose I would not want my ?bits? washed/heated too violently.
No idea what language all the instructions are in but certainly not real true British English ? perhaps looking forward to Maggie?s biscuit (if it ever happens) but then there will be no overseas installers here.

Mike

From: patheigham via Tech1 
Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2019 11:45 AM
To: Nick Ware ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk 
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Toilet cisterns

If this is what you are referring to, I believe I saw an advertisement in a Sunday supplement. For around ?3K !

https://vitra-vcare.co.uk/

 

So hardly a question of ?spending-a-penny? ? rather a lot of pennies!

Pat

 
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From mibridge at mac.com  Wed Mar 27 11:33:33 2019
From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles)
Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2019 16:33:33 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Toilet cisterns
In-Reply-To: <bf0228f6-e6d2-9ada-0db0-c90041633eb3@gmail.com>
References: <fac6ade5-3ca8-980c-875b-44f1488538f2@btinternet.com>
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Message-ID: <5847B1CD-78F3-47EE-9189-A4B5270B6DA4@mac.com>

To change tack slightly - has anyone tried cording and electrifying a set of curtains on a pole? It seems easy in theory, but ???

Mike G

> On 27 Mar 2019, at 12:03, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> After a trip to Tokyo, I too really fancied a Washlet - https://s7d3.scene7.com/is/image/totousa/MW6142034CUFG_GAL_01 - with the arm on the side covered in obscure icons and buttons that spray and blow warm air.  Truly a life enhancing experience. When I looked it all up, it wants electricity - so fancy isolator stuff - and more water head than I have.  Also very expensive, so I gave up. My week in semi-rural Thailand the other week offered an easier solution. Toilet paper there is meant for drying only, as the soil pipes aren't fat ones like ours. Cleaning is done with the spray found by the side of most non-European-tourist Asian hotels, and everywhere else.  The hardware store by my hotel in Krabi had a wall of them in their plumbing section, so quite a deal there.
> 
> When I got home I bought one from Amazon, as they have lots. Fitting it has been more of a deal, though I think it's sorted now.  It has a three way tap thing that you attach to the cistern inlet. You're supposed to keep the tap turned off when not using it to lessen the pressure on the spray, but  it turns out that (of course) three way taps are "handed" and mine just didn't work where it was supposed to fit. You couldn't turn the tap because there isn't room. Three days fun with plumbing has followed, though I think it's sorted now.  I'm now very much qualified to consult on toilet sprays, if anyone needs such a service.
> 
> As Geoff says - the subjects we get on to!
> 
> B
> 
> 
> 
>> On 27/03/2019 10:48, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote:
>> All this lavatorial talk! We?ve recently moved house, and the first thing that has to go is the highly unfashionable (though the vendors thought it lovely) pink bathroom suite. The toilet has a traditional cranky old ball-cock, you?ll be pleased to hear. Odd that they kept it, as the en-suite includes a modern white loo with a bottom entry (if you?ll pardon the expression) float valve.
>> We would love to offer the pink suite to anyone here for a suitably extortionate sum of money. Or maybe even for nothing if you prefer. Or perhaps you know of a prop-hire company who would like it. But come to think of it, even they probably don?t get much call for a pink bathroom suite!
>> I?m rather drawn to the idea of having one of those luxurious loos that wipes, washes and air dries the derriere for you, then runs a clean change of seat cover round the rim as you leave. 
>> Or maybe not.
>> Cheers,
>> Nick.
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>> On 27 Mar 2019, at 00:35, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>>> Thanks Dave, nice to know that it is legal! Sadly it cost ?4 at the tip to dispose of it. I                 liked it, but I had ordered a double-trap siphonic bowl in 1975 and I was given a normal washdown. It took a long while for me to discover that I had been given something different! My wife has auto-immune disease of the liver which means that her poo floats and will never go down the hole! The Topaz washdown bowl doesn't encourage anything to go anywhere as it just has a lot of holes round the rim and no pressure on the contents. Hopefully the flap version dumps the water very quickly and that should sort out the problem!. Cheers, Dave
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> Tech1 mailing list
>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk
>> 
> 
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From relong at btinternet.com  Wed Mar 27 12:44:05 2019
From: relong at btinternet.com (Roger E Long)
Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2019 17:44:05 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Toilet cisterns
In-Reply-To: <bf0228f6-e6d2-9ada-0db0-c90041633eb3@gmail.com>
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Last time I was in Tokyo we had  a Panasonic all dancing lavatory
Great fun, telephone ,auto sex selection, heated seat and spray included?.
The previous time we had a Toyo auto loo, this was more basic and included stick man instruction on how to use it for' out of towners' owners used to footprint lavatorys
I took the pictogram off the wall and had it only locker for a long time.
It was very graphic.

Roger

> On 27 Mar 2019, at 12:03, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> After a trip to Tokyo, I too really fancied a Washlet - https://s7d3.scene7.com/is/image/totousa/MW6142034CUFG_GAL_01 <https://s7d3.scene7.com/is/image/totousa/MW6142034CUFG_GAL_01> - with the arm on the side covered in obscure icons and buttons that spray and blow warm air.  Truly a life enhancing experience. When I looked it all up, it wants electricity - so fancy isolator stuff - and more water head than I have.  Also very expensive, so I gave up. My week in semi-rural Thailand the other week offered an easier solution. Toilet paper there is meant for drying only, as the soil pipes aren't fat ones like ours. Cleaning is done with the spray found by the side of most non-European-tourist Asian hotels, and everywhere else.  The hardware store by my hotel in Krabi had a wall of them in their plumbing section, so quite a deal there.
> 
> When I got home I bought one from Amazon, as they have lots. Fitting it has been more of a deal, though I think it's sorted now.  It has a three way tap thing that you attach to the cistern inlet. You're supposed to keep the tap turned off when not using it to lessen the pressure on the spray, but  it turns out that (of course) three way taps are "handed" and mine just didn't work where it was supposed to fit. You couldn't turn the tap because there isn't room. Three days fun with plumbing has followed, though I think it's sorted now.  I'm now very much qualified to consult on toilet sprays, if anyone needs such a service.
> 
> As Geoff says - the subjects we get on to!
> 
> B
> 
> 
> 
> On 27/03/2019 10:48, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote:
>> All this lavatorial talk! We?ve recently moved house, and the first thing that has to go is the highly unfashionable (though the vendors thought it lovely) pink bathroom suite. The toilet has a traditional cranky old ball-cock, you?ll be pleased to hear. Odd that they kept it, as the en-suite includes a modern white loo with a bottom entry (if you?ll pardon the expression) float valve.
>> We would love to offer the pink suite to anyone here for a suitably extortionate sum of money. Or maybe even for nothing if you prefer. Or perhaps you know of a prop-hire company who would like it. But come to think of it, even they probably don?t get much call for a pink bathroom suite!
>> I?m rather drawn to the idea of having one of those luxurious loos that wipes, washes and air dries the derriere for you, then runs a clean change of seat cover round the rim as you leave. 
>> Or maybe not.
>> Cheers,
>> Nick.
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>> On 27 Mar 2019, at 00:35, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Thanks Dave, nice to know that it is legal! Sadly it cost ?4 at the tip to dispose of it. I liked it, but I had ordered a double-trap siphonic bowl in 1975 and I was given a normal washdown. It took a long while for me to discover that I had been given something different! My wife has auto-immune disease of the liver which means that her poo floats and will never go down the hole! The Topaz washdown bowl doesn't encourage anything to go anywhere as it just has a lot of holes round the rim and no pressure on the contents. Hopefully the flap version dumps the water very quickly and that should sort out the problem!. Cheers, Dave
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> Tech1 mailing list
>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk <http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk>
>> 
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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Wed Mar 27 14:06:15 2019
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2019 19:06:15 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Toilet cisterns
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I agree about the Japanese seats, they are really great. Imagine our 
shame when our Japanese friends, on a visit to the UK, came with us to 
Frankie and Bennies in Kingston and the ladies toilet cubicles had 
broken locks on the door, poo floating in the pan, and cracked seats. 
When I complained the management's excuse was that they only had a 3" 
soil pipe! (ever heard of Saniflo macerators?) and after dreadfully slow 
service, although the place wasn't very busy at all. To add insult to 
injury they sent me a ?5 voucher towards a meal costing well over ?60! 
The Japanese are very fastidious about hygiene, even to using wet-wipes 
on the BJ victim at a sex show! Cheers, Dave.


From alawrance1 at me.com  Wed Mar 27 14:11:21 2019
From: alawrance1 at me.com (Alasdair Lawrance)
Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2019 19:11:21 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Toilet cisterns
In-Reply-To: <34ffdce1-cdd4-3851-ef69-bca6fdabe4a2@btinternet.com>
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How do you know about the wet-wipes, Dave?

Sent from my iPad Pro.

> On 27 Mar 2019, at 19:06, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> I agree about the Japanese seats, they are really great. Imagine our shame when our Japanese friends, on a visit to the UK, came with us to Frankie and Bennies in Kingston and the ladies toilet cubicles had broken locks on the door, poo floating in the pan, and cracked seats. When I complained the management's excuse was that they only had a 3" soil pipe! (ever heard of Saniflo macerators?) and after dreadfully slow service, although the place wasn't very busy at all. To add insult to injury they sent me a ?5 voucher towards a meal costing well over ?60! The Japanese are very fastidious about hygiene, even to using wet-wipes on the BJ victim at a sex show! Cheers, Dave.
> 
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From geoffreyhawkes at btinternet.com  Wed Mar 27 15:58:16 2019
From: geoffreyhawkes at btinternet.com (Geoffrey Hawkes)
Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2019 20:58:16 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Toilet talk
In-Reply-To: <79FB35A5-DD3A-4720-A705-214A8843547B@btinternet.com>
References: <fac6ade5-3ca8-980c-875b-44f1488538f2@btinternet.com>
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Gentlemen,
When visiting one of those wonderful full-featured toilets, symphonic or not, just make sure you don't press the button marked ATR or you could be done a serious mischief...? ? 
Geoff

> On 27 Mar 2019, at 17:44, Roger E Long via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Last time I was in Tokyo we had  a Panasonic all dancing lavatory
> Great fun, telephone ,auto sex selection, heated seat and spray included?.
> The previous time we had a Toyo auto loo, this was more basic and included stick man instruction on how to use it for' out of towners' owners used to footprint lavatorys
> I took the pictogram off the wall and had it only locker for a long time.
> It was very graphic.
> 
> Roger
> 
>> On 27 Mar 2019, at 12:03, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> After a trip to Tokyo, I too really fancied a Washlet - https://s7d3.scene7.com/is/image/totousa/MW6142034CUFG_GAL_01 - with the arm on the side covered in obscure icons and buttons that spray and blow warm air.  Truly a life enhancing experience. When I looked it all up, it wants electricity - so fancy isolator stuff - and more water head than I have.  Also very expensive, so I gave up. My week in semi-rural Thailand the other week offered an easier solution. Toilet paper there is meant for drying only, as the soil pipes aren't fat ones like ours. Cleaning is done with the spray found by the side of most non-European-tourist Asian hotels, and everywhere else.  The hardware store by my hotel in Krabi had a wall of them in their plumbing section, so quite a deal there.
>> 
>> When I got home I bought one from Amazon, as they have lots. Fitting it has been more of a deal, though I think it's sorted now.  It has a three way tap thing that you attach to the cistern inlet. You're supposed to keep the tap turned off when not using it to lessen the pressure on the spray, but  it turns out that (of course) three way taps are "handed" and mine just didn't work where it was supposed to fit. You couldn't turn the tap because there isn't room. Three days fun with plumbing has followed, though I think it's sorted now.  I'm now very much qualified to consult on toilet sprays, if anyone needs such a service.
>> 
>> As Geoff says - the subjects we get on to!
>> 
>> B
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 27/03/2019 10:48, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote:
>>> All this lavatorial talk! We?ve recently moved house, and the first thing that has to go is the highly unfashionable (though the vendors thought it lovely) pink bathroom suite. The toilet has a traditional cranky old ball-cock, you?ll be pleased to hear. Odd that they kept it, as the en-suite includes a modern white loo with a bottom entry (if you?ll pardon the expression) float valve.
>>> We would love to offer the pink suite to anyone here for a suitably extortionate sum of money. Or maybe even for nothing if you prefer. Or perhaps you know of a prop-hire company who would like it. But come to think of it, even they probably don?t get much call for a pink bathroom suite!
>>> I?m rather drawn to the idea of having one of those luxurious loos that wipes, washes and air dries the derriere for you, then runs a clean change of seat cover round the rim as you leave. 
>>> Or maybe not.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Nick.
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>> 
>>> On 27 Mar 2019, at 00:35, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Thanks Dave, nice to know that it is legal! Sadly it cost ?4 at the tip to dispose of it. I liked it, but I had ordered a double-trap siphonic bowl in 1975 and I was given a normal washdown. It took a long while for me to discover that I had been given something different! My wife has auto-immune disease of the liver which means that her poo floats and will never go down the hole! The Topaz washdown bowl doesn't encourage anything to go anywhere as it just has a lot of holes round the rim and no pressure on the contents. Hopefully the flap version dumps the water very quickly and that should sort out the problem!. Cheers, Dave
>>>> 
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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Wed Mar 27 16:28:11 2019
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2019 21:28:11 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Wet-wipes
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... because we had a crew outing to the OS Club in Shinjuko and obtained 
a group discount! It was a quite hilarious evening and we all stood 
right at the back just in case one of us won the scissors-paper-stone 
selection process to choose the next on-stage performer from the 
audience!( not that we did the game anyway! - honest!) Cheers, Dave


From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Wed Mar 27 17:41:19 2019
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2019 22:41:19 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Toilets
Message-ID: <a5352109-713c-340a-8fe6-f49b756df781@btinternet.com>

I can tell that you are all fascinated by my toiletry installations so 
here are the  photos you really wanted to see! Cheers, Dave. PS. I have 
before-and-after pix of everything I have ever done in the house, 
re-plumbing, re-wiring, central heating, etc. you only have to ask!!!
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From mibridge at mac.com  Wed Mar 27 17:45:57 2019
From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles)
Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2019 22:45:57 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Toilets
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I notice the stop-cock survived the refurbishment, Dave!

Mike G

> On 27 Mar 2019, at 22:41, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> I can tell that you are all fascinated by my toiletry installations so here are the  photos you really wanted to see! Cheers, Dave. PS. I have before-and-after pix of everything I have ever done in the house, re-plumbing, re-wiring, central heating, etc. you only have to ask!!!
> <1975.jpg>
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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Wed Mar 27 20:00:28 2019
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2019 01:00:28 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Colours
Message-ID: <0b98a358-99f8-fce7-f8fd-c351dc52b8a9@btinternet.com>

A special treat for you younger chaps here are the colours available for 
your bathroom appliances in 1978, the manufacturers must be so pleased 
now that everything is back to school, hospital, prison, council, boring 
  WHITE! Cheers, Dave. PS. My local bathroom shop has a sink in 'Sage' - 
is the start of a coloured comeback?
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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Wed Mar 27 20:12:17 2019
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2019 01:12:17 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Stop cock
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Quite right! I would have to turn off the main cold water supply to 
change the old brass stop-cock and try and fit a new valve to quite a 
short pipe. Unfortunately, I needed a flexible extension of 750 mm. to 
do the job properly and I could only get 300, 500, 900, or 1000 mm. ones 
from Screwfix (Plumbfix!) and they didn't have one with a valve either. 
Also, they stipulate no sharp bends so I ended up with a 900 mm. and 
luckily there was enough straight pipe before the upward curve to fit 
the new compression joint. I love plumbing, it is really satisfying when 
it all works with no leaks! Cheers, Dave


From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Wed Mar 27 20:16:21 2019
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2019 01:16:21 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Adulation
Message-ID: <91d2c07c-7d13-d982-d364-926cb2106e1f@btinternet.com>

SWMBO found this card in the local card shop after I had fixed the 
boiler, installed new kitchen mixer taps and installed a new toilet! 
It's nice to know that the one is still appreciated at over 80 years of 
age! Cheers, Dave
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From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net  Thu Mar 28 01:43:37 2019
From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt)
Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2019 06:43:37 -0000
Subject: [Tech1] Adulation
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Seasoned DIY'ers will recognise the upper illustration  as the indispensible 
'Birmingham screwdriver'. They might note the lower picture as a typical DIY 
screwdriver - badly in need of its tip being reground!

Dave Newbitt.

-----Original Message----- 
From: dave.mdv via Tech1
Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2019 1:16 AM
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: [Tech1] Adulation

SWMBO found this card in the local card shop after I had fixed the
boiler, installed new kitchen mixer taps and installed a new toilet!
It's nice to know that the one is still appreciated at over 80 years of
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From geoffletch at gmail.com  Thu Mar 28 03:07:56 2019
From: geoffletch at gmail.com (Geoff Fletcher)
Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2019 08:07:56 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: Re. Aircraft while shooting
In-Reply-To: <003001d4e483$73754160$5a5fc420$@gmail.com>
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Grey - Ferguson, Orange - Nuffield, Dark Green - Field Marshall. Works for
me. Although the latter has a distinctive sound anyway......
Geoff F

On Wed, 27 Mar 2019 at 09:57, David Denness via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
wrote:

> Alan,
> Sounds like a typical Taylor wind up to me.
> Hope you're well
> Dave D
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tech1 <tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk> On Behalf Of Alan Taylor via
> Tech1
> Sent: 27 March 2019 08:51
> To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: Re. Aircraft while shooting
>
>
> It's not just aircraft which hold up shooting.  When shooting in the
> countryside, tractors and other agricultural machinery can be very
> disruptive.
>
> I sometimes used to spot a distant tractor operating in a nearby field and
> the nature of farming is that they progressively work their way around a
> huge field, invariable getting closer and closer to the shooting location
> whereupon it would become problematical.  While the tractor was quite a
> long
> way away, I would make a little show of mentioning it to my boom op and
> after listening intently, I might declare that it sounded like a Massey
> Ferguson. Some time later, when the tractor got closer, somebody would be
> sure to look over the hedge and read the name Massey Ferguson on it, which
> prompted speculation that we were either bullshitting, or had amazing
> hearing.  Next time, another tractor appeared I would do the same routine
> and declare that it was a John Deere.  Again, when it got close, that was
> what it turned out to be.  Over the course of a long shoot, we would have
> convinced many of the crew that we could identify any tractor from it's
> engine sound.
>
> The trick was very simple.  When a farmer orders a tractor, they can't
> specify the colour, it comes in the manufacturer's colour, and somebody who
> lives in the countryside would soon notice that John Deere uses green, Ford
> blue, Massey Ferguson Red etc.
>
> Best ever result was when working with gaffer John Dowzell.  He had been
> intrigued by my ruse but hadn't worked out how I did it.  It was a sunny
> day
> and there was no need for lighting, except maybe for a reflector board
> during close ups, so he didn't have much to do. In the distance we could
> hear a tractor and I had only got a brief glimpse before it got hidden in
> the contours of the land.  John challenged me to identify what type that
> one
> was.  I had seen that it was predominantly white, which could have meant it
> was a David Brown ( as in Aston Martin ), but it didn't look quite right
> for
> right, so I said I wasn't certain, but I would go out on a limb and guess
> that it might be a Lamborghini.  John used to trade cars on the side, so
> knew about Lamborghinis, the exotic cars, but had never heard of their
> tractors and thought that speculation that it could a Lambo was
> preposterous.  I explained that just as with David Brown, they initially
> made tractors and then branched into luxury c  ars, which instantly
> convinced him that I had to be winding him up.  To cover myself, I
> mentioned
> that although I felt this mystery tractor was most likely a Lamborghini, it
> did sound a bit like John Brown too and as I don't get to hear many of
> either of them, it was hard to be certain which if them it was, but I was
> pretty sure it was one or the other.  When the tractor got closer, John
> made
> sure that he was in a good position to read the name. I first got
> confirmation that it really was a Lamborghini when John looked gobsmacked,
> but said absolutely nothing.
>
> Alan Taylor
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From rexpalmer42 at gmail.com  Thu Mar 28 03:25:02 2019
From: rexpalmer42 at gmail.com (Rex Palmer)
Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2019 08:25:02 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] 4038+fag packet
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The director I remember was Barry Langford.   He came up with various odd ideas.  I remember for Lulu?s ?Shout? he had four cameras with close-ups of her from different angles which he cut around as she sang the words ?Shout, shout, shout, shout?.  And  I remember one another occasion when about three quarters of the way through one episode he said to the vision mixer, whose name I forget, ?you carry on, I?ve got an appointment to go to? and he got up and left!!

Rex


> On 16 Feb 2019, at 11:08, Keith Wicks via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Looking at Wikipedia is not always a mistake.
> IMDb credit Jim Moir with directing seven Beat Room programmes (1964-1965).
> Jim Moir also directed various other programmes, but was more often the producer. 
> See:
> https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0596165/ <https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0596165/>
> KW
> 
> 
> On Sat, 16 Feb 2019 at 10:36, Peter Neill via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:
> Just had a look at Wikipedia (always a mistake) and it says that it was directed by Jim Moir. Now, I don?t remember Jim directing anything and I thought at that time he was Terry Henebery?s PA on Jazz 625. 
> 
> Any thoughts anyone?
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone. Apologies for typos and autocorruptions. 
> 
> On 16 Feb 2019, at 15:49, Geoff Fletcher <geoffletch at gmail.com <mailto:geoffletch at gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
>> Going back a bit Dave and Peter. Here's the first mention of Beat Room in my diaries. 
>> Thursday 20th August 1964
>> 
>> Off Duty
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Watched Beat Room in TC4. Chatted with Bob M, Jim, Rex, Pete, Geoff Beech, Roger, Pete Shaw. Tony, Bob etc. Brenda Lee and Swinging Blue Jeans on show. Cards at flat at night with Jim.
>> 
>> 
>> On Sat, Feb 16, 2019 at 9:15 AM Peter Neill via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:
>> I?m surprised you noticed the mics, Dave, with the Beat Girls around. 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone. Apologies for typos and autocorruptions. 
>> 
>> > On 16 Feb 2019, at 14:40, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:
>> > 
>> > The first time I saw that combination was on the newly started BBC2, a program called 'Beat Room', and I think it was a Brian Forgham idea. Cheers, Dave
>> > 
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From waresound at msn.com  Thu Mar 28 03:32:27 2019
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2019 08:32:27 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: Re. Aircraft while shooting
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As a kid, living in a sleepy Surrey village, our local farmer let me drive his Fordson Major Diesel (blue). Now that was a tractor.
Nick.
Sent from my iPad

On 28 Mar 2019, at 08:08, Geoff Fletcher via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk<mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:

Grey - Ferguson, Orange - Nuffield, Dark Green - Field Marshall. Works for me. Although the latter has a distinctive sound anyway......
Geoff F

On Wed, 27 Mar 2019 at 09:57, David Denness via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk<mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:
Alan,
Sounds like a typical Taylor wind up to me.
Hope you're well
Dave D

-----Original Message-----
From: Tech1 <tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk<mailto:tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk>> On Behalf Of Alan Taylor via
Tech1
Sent: 27 March 2019 08:51
To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk<mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>>
Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: Re. Aircraft while shooting


It's not just aircraft which hold up shooting.  When shooting in the
countryside, tractors and other agricultural machinery can be very
disruptive.

I sometimes used to spot a distant tractor operating in a nearby field and
the nature of farming is that they progressively work their way around a
huge field, invariable getting closer and closer to the shooting location
whereupon it would become problematical.  While the tractor was quite a long
way away, I would make a little show of mentioning it to my boom op and
after listening intently, I might declare that it sounded like a Massey
Ferguson. Some time later, when the tractor got closer, somebody would be
sure to look over the hedge and read the name Massey Ferguson on it, which
prompted speculation that we were either bullshitting, or had amazing
hearing.  Next time, another tractor appeared I would do the same routine
and declare that it was a John Deere.  Again, when it got close, that was
what it turned out to be.  Over the course of a long shoot, we would have
convinced many of the crew that we could identify any tractor from it's
engine sound.

The trick was very simple.  When a farmer orders a tractor, they can't
specify the colour, it comes in the manufacturer's colour, and somebody who
lives in the countryside would soon notice that John Deere uses green, Ford
blue, Massey Ferguson Red etc.

Best ever result was when working with gaffer John Dowzell.  He had been
intrigued by my ruse but hadn't worked out how I did it.  It was a sunny day
and there was no need for lighting, except maybe for a reflector board
during close ups, so he didn't have much to do. In the distance we could
hear a tractor and I had only got a brief glimpse before it got hidden in
the contours of the land.  John challenged me to identify what type that one
was.  I had seen that it was predominantly white, which could have meant it
was a David Brown ( as in Aston Martin ), but it didn't look quite right for
right, so I said I wasn't certain, but I would go out on a limb and guess
that it might be a Lamborghini.  John used to trade cars on the side, so
knew about Lamborghinis, the exotic cars, but had never heard of their
tractors and thought that speculation that it could a Lambo was
preposterous.  I explained that just as with David Brown, they initially
made tractors and then branched into luxury c  ars, which instantly
convinced him that I had to be winding him up.  To cover myself, I mentioned
that although I felt this mystery tractor was most likely a Lamborghini, it
did sound a bit like John Brown too and as I don't get to hear many of
either of them, it was hard to be certain which if them it was, but I was
pretty sure it was one or the other.  When the tractor got closer, John made
sure that he was in a good position to read the name. I first got
confirmation that it really was a Lamborghini when John looked gobsmacked,
but said absolutely nothing.

Alan Taylor
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From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net  Thu Mar 28 03:34:16 2019
From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt)
Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2019 08:34:16 -0000
Subject: [Tech1] Fwd:  Re. Aircraft while shooting
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Recognising the characteristic sounds of various manufacturer's engines is, 
I think, less easy than it once was. In the late 1940's when I was a boy in 
Jersey we lived in a house (long since demolished) in St Helier, Jersey. We 
were right on the road (Pier Road) and I used to open a sash window, duck 
down below the window ledge, wait for the sound of a car, challenge myself 
to guess its make (and sometimes model) and stand up in time to check. With 
cars such as Morris, Austin, Vauxhall etc. I was virtually always correct - 
wouldn't care to try it now. Tractors though are perhaps still more 
distinct.

Mind you, as a young man at the Beeb I could hear 20K in blind tests with 
somebody else controlling the genny frequency. As they say - that was then, 
this is now!

Dave Newbitt.

-----Original Message----- 
From: David Denness via Tech1
Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2019 9:57 AM
To: 'Alan Taylor'
Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Fwd: Re. Aircraft while shooting

Alan,
Sounds like a typical Taylor wind up to me.
Hope you're well
Dave D

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Tech1
Sent: 27 March 2019 08:51
To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: Re. Aircraft while shooting


It's not just aircraft which hold up shooting.  When shooting in the
countryside, tractors and other agricultural machinery can be very
disruptive.

I sometimes used to spot a distant tractor operating in a nearby field and
the nature of farming is that they progressively work their way around a
huge field, invariable getting closer and closer to the shooting location
whereupon it would become problematical.  While the tractor was quite a long
way away, I would make a little show of mentioning it to my boom op and
after listening intently, I might declare that it sounded like a Massey
Ferguson. Some time later, when the tractor got closer, somebody would be
sure to look over the hedge and read the name Massey Ferguson on it, which
prompted speculation that we were either bullshitting, or had amazing
hearing.  Next time, another tractor appeared I would do the same routine
and declare that it was a John Deere.  Again, when it got close, that was
what it turned out to be.  Over the course of a long shoot, we would have
convinced many of the crew that we could identify any tractor from it's
engine sound.

The trick was very simple.  When a farmer orders a tractor, they can't
specify the colour, it comes in the manufacturer's colour, and somebody who
lives in the countryside would soon notice that John Deere uses green, Ford
blue, Massey Ferguson Red etc.

Best ever result was when working with gaffer John Dowzell.  He had been
intrigued by my ruse but hadn't worked out how I did it.  It was a sunny day
and there was no need for lighting, except maybe for a reflector board
during close ups, so he didn't have much to do. In the distance we could
hear a tractor and I had only got a brief glimpse before it got hidden in
the contours of the land.  John challenged me to identify what type that one
was.  I had seen that it was predominantly white, which could have meant it
was a David Brown ( as in Aston Martin ), but it didn't look quite right for
right, so I said I wasn't certain, but I would go out on a limb and guess
that it might be a Lamborghini.  John used to trade cars on the side, so
knew about Lamborghinis, the exotic cars, but had never heard of their
tractors and thought that speculation that it could a Lambo was
preposterous.  I explained that just as with David Brown, they initially
made tractors and then branched into luxury c  ars, which instantly
convinced him that I had to be winding him up.  To cover myself, I mentioned
that although I felt this mystery tractor was most likely a Lamborghini, it
did sound a bit like John Brown too and as I don't get to hear many of
either of them, it was hard to be certain which if them it was, but I was
pretty sure it was one or the other.  When the tractor got closer, John made
sure that he was in a good position to read the name. I first got
confirmation that it really was a Lamborghini when John looked gobsmacked,
but said absolutely nothing.

Alan Taylor
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From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net  Thu Mar 28 03:38:55 2019
From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt)
Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2019 08:38:55 -0000
Subject: [Tech1] 4038+fag packet
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That would be the Barry Langford credited (in the countdown to Tx) with the phrase ? just time for one more vallium? (or was it purple hearts?)

Dave Newbitt.

From: Rex Palmer via Tech1 
Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2019 8:25 AM
To: Keith Wicks 
Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk 
Subject: Re: [Tech1] 4038+fag packet

The director I remember was Barry Langford.   He came up with various odd ideas.  I remember for Lulu?s ?Shout? he had four cameras with close-ups of her from different angles which he cut around as she sang the words ?Shout, shout, shout, shout?.  And  I remember one another occasion when about three quarters of the way through one episode he said to the vision mixer, whose name I forget, ?you carry on, I?ve got an appointment to go to? and he got up and left!!

Rex


  On 16 Feb 2019, at 11:08, Keith Wicks via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

  Looking at Wikipedia is not always a mistake.
  IMDb credit Jim Moir with directing seven Beat Room programmes (1964-1965).
  Jim Moir also directed various other programmes, but was more often the producer. 
  See:
  https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0596165/

  KW



  On Sat, 16 Feb 2019 at 10:36, Peter Neill via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

    Just had a look at Wikipedia (always a mistake) and it says that it was directed by Jim Moir. Now, I don?t remember Jim directing anything and I thought at that time he was Terry Henebery?s PA on Jazz 625.  

    Any thoughts anyone?


    Sent from my iPhone. Apologies for typos and autocorruptions. 

    On 16 Feb 2019, at 15:49, Geoff Fletcher <geoffletch at gmail.com> wrote:


      Going back a bit Dave and Peter. Here's the first mention of Beat Room in my diaries.  
      Thursday 20th August 1964

      Off Duty



      Watched Beat Room in TC4. Chatted with Bob M, Jim, Rex, Pete, Geoff Beech, Roger, Pete Shaw. Tony, Bob etc. Brenda Lee and Swinging Blue Jeans on show. Cards at flat at night with Jim.


      On Sat, Feb 16, 2019 at 9:15 AM Peter Neill via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

        I?m surprised you noticed the mics, Dave, with the Beat Girls around. 

        Sent from my iPhone. Apologies for typos and autocorruptions. 

        > On 16 Feb 2019, at 14:40, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
        > 
        > The first time I saw that combination was on the newly started BBC2, a program called 'Beat Room', and I think it was a Brian Forgham idea. Cheers, Dave
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From ohbytheway.tv at gmail.com  Thu Mar 28 03:43:14 2019
From: ohbytheway.tv at gmail.com (David Denness)
Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2019 08:43:14 -0000
Subject: [Tech1] 4038+fag packet
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I remember Jim Moir as a floor manager in those days with Barry Langford as Director/Producer

 

From: Tech1 <tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk> On Behalf Of Rex Palmer via Tech1
Sent: 28 March 2019 08:25
To: Keith Wicks <keithwicksuk at gmail.com>
Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Tech1] 4038+fag packet

 

The director I remember was Barry Langford.   He came up with various odd ideas.  I remember for Lulu?s ?Shout? he had four cameras with close-ups of her from different angles which he cut around as she sang the words ?Shout, shout, shout, shout?.  And  I remember one another occasion when about three quarters of the way through one episode he said to the vision mixer, whose name I forget, ?you carry on, I?ve got an appointment to go to? and he got up and left!!

 

Rex

 

 

On 16 Feb 2019, at 11:08, Keith Wicks via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> > wrote:

 

Looking at Wikipedia is not always a mistake.

IMDb credit Jim Moir with directing seven Beat Room programmes (1964-1965).

Jim Moir also directed various other programmes, but was more often the producer. 

See:

https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0596165/

KW

 

 

On Sat, 16 Feb 2019 at 10:36, Peter Neill via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> > wrote:

Just had a look at Wikipedia (always a mistake) and it says that it was directed by Jim Moir. Now, I don?t remember Jim directing anything and I thought at that time he was Terry Henebery?s PA on Jazz 625. 

 

Any thoughts anyone?

 

 

Sent from my iPhone. Apologies for typos and autocorruptions. 


On 16 Feb 2019, at 15:49, Geoff Fletcher <geoffletch at gmail.com <mailto:geoffletch at gmail.com> > wrote:

Going back a bit Dave and Peter. Here's the first mention of Beat Room in my diaries. 

Thursday 20th August 1964

Off Duty

 

Watched Beat Room in TC4. Chatted with Bob M, Jim, Rex, Pete, Geoff Beech, Roger, Pete Shaw. Tony, Bob etc. Brenda Lee and Swinging Blue Jeans on show. Cards at flat at night with Jim.

 

On Sat, Feb 16, 2019 at 9:15 AM Peter Neill via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> > wrote:

I?m surprised you noticed the mics, Dave, with the Beat Girls around. 

Sent from my iPhone. Apologies for typos and autocorruptions. 

> On 16 Feb 2019, at 14:40, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> > wrote:
> 
> The first time I saw that combination was on the newly started BBC2, a program called 'Beat Room', and I think it was a Brian Forgham idea. Cheers, Dave
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From peter.neill at icloud.com  Thu Mar 28 04:10:04 2019
From: peter.neill at icloud.com (Peter Neill)
Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2019 09:10:04 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Toilet talk
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If we?re sharing pictures of toilets, this is the Gents at a garden centre near Preston. 

Sent from my iPhone. Apologies for typos and autocorruptions. 


Peter


> On 27 Mar 2019, at 20:58, Geoffrey Hawkes via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Gentlemen,
> When visiting one of those wonderful full-featured toilets, symphonic or not, just make sure you don't press the button marked ATR or you could be done a serious mischief...? ? 
> Geoff
> 
>> On 27 Mar 2019, at 17:44, Roger E Long via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> Last time I was in Tokyo we had  a Panasonic all dancing lavatory
>> Great fun, telephone ,auto sex selection, heated seat and spray included?.
>> The previous time we had a Toyo auto loo, this was more basic and included stick man instruction on how to use it for' out of towners' owners used to footprint lavatorys
>> I took the pictogram off the wall and had it only locker for a long time.
>> It was very graphic.
>> 
>> Roger
>> 
>>> On 27 Mar 2019, at 12:03, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>>> After a trip to Tokyo, I too really fancied a Washlet - https://s7d3.scene7.com/is/image/totousa/MW6142034CUFG_GAL_01 - with the arm on the side covered in obscure icons and buttons that spray and blow warm air.  Truly a life enhancing experience. When I looked it all up, it wants electricity - so fancy isolator stuff - and more water head than I have.  Also very expensive, so I gave up. My week in semi-rural Thailand the other week offered an easier solution. Toilet paper there is meant for drying only, as the soil pipes aren't fat ones like ours. Cleaning is done with the spray found by the side of most non-European-tourist Asian hotels, and everywhere else.  The hardware store by my hotel in Krabi had a wall of them in their plumbing section, so quite a deal there.
>>> 
>>> When I got home I bought one from Amazon, as they have lots. Fitting it has been more of a deal, though I think it's sorted now.  It has a three way tap thing that you attach to the cistern inlet. You're supposed to keep the tap turned off when not using it to lessen the pressure on the spray, but  it turns out that (of course) three way taps are "handed" and mine just didn't work where it was supposed to fit. You couldn't turn the tap because there isn't room. Three days fun with plumbing has followed, though I think it's sorted now.  I'm now very much qualified to consult on toilet sprays, if anyone needs such a service.
>>> 
>>> As Geoff says - the subjects we get on to!
>>> 
>>> B
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On 27/03/2019 10:48, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote:
>>>> All this lavatorial talk! We?ve recently moved house, and the first thing that has to go is the highly unfashionable (though the vendors thought it lovely) pink bathroom suite. The toilet has a traditional cranky old ball-cock, you?ll be pleased to hear. Odd that they kept it, as the en-suite includes a modern white loo with a bottom entry (if you?ll pardon the expression) float valve.
>>>> We would love to offer the pink suite to anyone here for a suitably extortionate sum of money. Or maybe even for nothing if you prefer. Or perhaps you know of a prop-hire company who would like it. But come to think of it, even they probably don?t get much call for a pink bathroom suite!
>>>> I?m rather drawn to the idea of having one of those luxurious loos that wipes, washes and air dries the derriere for you, then runs a clean change of seat cover round the rim as you leave. 
>>>> Or maybe not.
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Nick.
>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>> 
>>>> On 27 Mar 2019, at 00:35, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks Dave, nice to know that it is legal! Sadly it cost ?4 at the tip to dispose of it. I liked it, but I had ordered a double-trap siphonic bowl in 1975 and I was given a normal washdown. It took a long while for me to discover that I had been given something different! My wife has auto-immune disease of the liver which means that her poo floats and will never go down the hole! The Topaz washdown bowl doesn't encourage anything to go anywhere as it just has a lot of holes round the rim and no pressure on the contents. Hopefully the flap version dumps the water very quickly and that should sort out the problem!. Cheers, Dave
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From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net  Thu Mar 28 04:52:16 2019
From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt)
Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2019 09:52:16 -0000
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OK Peter ? you?ve talked me into it! Photographed these in the gents on board the SS Great Britain in Oct 2016.





How about the Royal Crest? Eat your heart out Dave Mundy!!

Dave Newbitt.

From: Peter Neill via Tech1 
Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2019 9:10 AM
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk 
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Toilet talk

If we?re sharing pictures of toilets, this is the Gents at a garden centre near Preston. 


Sent from my iPhone. Apologies for typos and autocorruptions. 


Peter



On 27 Mar 2019, at 20:58, Geoffrey Hawkes via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:


  Gentlemen,
  When visiting one of those wonderful full-featured toilets, symphonic or not, just make sure you don't press the button marked ATR or you could be done a serious mischief...? ? 
  Geoff

  On 27 Mar 2019, at 17:44, Roger E Long via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:


    Last time I was in Tokyo we had  a Panasonic all dancing lavatory 
    Great fun, telephone ,auto sex selection, heated seat and spray included?.
    The previous time we had a Toyo auto loo, this was more basic and included stick man instruction on how to use it for' out of towners' owners used to footprint lavatorys
    I took the pictogram off the wall and had it only locker for a long time.
    It was very graphic.

    Roger



      On 27 Mar 2019, at 12:03, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

      After a trip to Tokyo, I too really fancied a Washlet - https://s7d3.scene7.com/is/image/totousa/MW6142034CUFG_GAL_01 - with the arm on the side covered in obscure icons and buttons that spray and blow warm air.  Truly a life enhancing experience. When I looked it all up, it wants electricity - so fancy isolator stuff - and more water head than I have.  Also very expensive, so I gave up. My week in semi-rural Thailand the other week offered an easier solution. Toilet paper there is meant for drying only, as the soil pipes aren't fat ones like ours. Cleaning is done with the spray found by the side of most non-European-tourist Asian hotels, and everywhere else.  The hardware store by my hotel in Krabi had a wall of them in their plumbing section, so quite a deal there.

      When I got home I bought one from Amazon, as they have lots. Fitting it has been more of a deal, though I think it's sorted now.  It has a three way tap thing that you attach to the cistern inlet. You're supposed to keep the tap turned off when not using it to lessen the pressure on the spray, but  it turns out that (of course) three way taps are "handed" and mine just didn't work where it was supposed to fit. You couldn't turn the tap because there isn't room. Three days fun with plumbing has followed, though I think it's sorted now.  I'm now very much qualified to consult on toilet sprays, if anyone needs such a service.

      As Geoff says - the subjects we get on to!

      B




      On 27/03/2019 10:48, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote:

        All this lavatorial talk! We?ve recently moved house, and the first thing that has to go is the highly unfashionable (though the vendors thought it lovely) pink bathroom suite. The toilet has a traditional cranky old ball-cock, you?ll be pleased to hear. Odd that they kept it, as the en-suite includes a modern white loo with a bottom entry (if you?ll pardon the expression) float valve.
        We would love to offer the pink suite to anyone here for a suitably extortionate sum of money. Or maybe even for nothing if you prefer. Or perhaps you know of a prop-hire company who would like it. But come to think of it, even they probably don?t get much call for a pink bathroom suite!
        I?m rather drawn to the idea of having one of those luxurious loos that wipes, washes and air dries the derriere for you, then runs a clean change of seat cover round the rim as you leave. 
        Or maybe not.
        Cheers,
        Nick.

        Sent from my iPad

        On 27 Mar 2019, at 00:35, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:


          Thanks Dave, nice to know that it is legal! Sadly it cost ?4 at the tip to dispose of it. I liked it, but I had ordered a double-trap siphonic bowl in 1975 and I was given a normal washdown. It took a long while for me to discover that I had been given something different! My wife has auto-immune disease of the liver which means that her poo floats and will never go down the hole! The Topaz washdown bowl doesn't encourage anything to go anywhere as it just has a lot of holes round the rim and no pressure on the contents. Hopefully the flap version dumps the water very quickly and that should sort out the problem!. Cheers, Dave

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From waresound at msn.com  Thu Mar 28 05:45:22 2019
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2019 10:45:22 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Toilet talk
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Compared to that, this toilet was bog standard, but I thought the wash stand was an inspired work of art. Seen in our mud hut accomodation in Mali while on a shoot with David Attenborough (might as well name drop while I?m about it).
[image1.jpeg]

Cheers,
Nick.
Sent from my iPad

On 28 Mar 2019, at 09:53, David Newbitt via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk<mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:

OK Peter ? you?ve talked me into it! Photographed these in the gents on board the SS Great Britain in Oct 2016.

<DSC03234%20small%20file[3].jpg>

<DSC03242%20small%20file[3].jpg>

How about the Royal Crest? Eat your heart out Dave Mundy!!

Dave Newbitt.

From: Peter Neill via Tech1
Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2019 9:10 AM
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Toilet talk

If we?re sharing pictures of toilets, this is the Gents at a garden centre near Preston.

Sent from my iPhone. Apologies for typos and autocorruptions.


Peter
<image1.jpeg>

On 27 Mar 2019, at 20:58, Geoffrey Hawkes via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

Gentlemen,
When visiting one of those wonderful full-featured toilets, symphonic or not, just make sure you don't press the button marked ATR or you could be done a serious mischief...? ?
Geoff

On 27 Mar 2019, at 17:44, Roger E Long via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

Last time I was in Tokyo we had  a Panasonic all dancing lavatory
Great fun, telephone ,auto sex selection, heated seat and spray included?.
The previous time we had a Toyo auto loo, this was more basic and included stick man instruction on how to use it for' out of towners' owners used to footprint lavatorys
I took the pictogram off the wall and had it only locker for a long time.
It was very graphic.

Roger

On 27 Mar 2019, at 12:03, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

After a trip to Tokyo, I too really fancied a Washlet - https://s7d3.scene7.com/is/image/totousa/MW6142034CUFG_GAL_01 - with the arm on the side covered in obscure icons and buttons that spray and blow warm air.  Truly a life enhancing experience. When I looked it all up, it wants electricity - so fancy isolator stuff - and more water head than I have.  Also very expensive, so I gave up. My week in semi-rural Thailand the other week offered an easier solution. Toilet paper there is meant for drying only, as the soil pipes aren't fat ones like ours. Cleaning is done with the spray found by the side of most non-European-tourist Asian hotels, and everywhere else.  The hardware store by my hotel in Krabi had a wall of them in their plumbing section, so quite a deal there.

When I got home I bought one from Amazon, as they have lots. Fitting it has been more of a deal, though I think it's sorted now.  It has a three way tap thing that you attach to the cistern inlet. You're supposed to keep the tap turned off when not using it to lessen the pressure on the spray, but  it turns out that (of course) three way taps are "handed" and mine just didn't work where it was supposed to fit. You couldn't turn the tap because there isn't room. Three days fun with plumbing has followed, though I think it's sorted now.  I'm now very much qualified to consult on toilet sprays, if anyone needs such a service.

As Geoff says - the subjects we get on to!

B



On 27/03/2019 10:48, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote:
All this lavatorial talk! We?ve recently moved house, and the first thing that has to go is the highly unfashionable (though the vendors thought it lovely) pink bathroom suite. The toilet has a traditional cranky old ball-cock, you?ll be pleased to hear. Odd that they kept it, as the en-suite includes a modern white loo with a bottom entry (if you?ll pardon the expression) float valve.
We would love to offer the pink suite to anyone here for a suitably extortionate sum of money. Or maybe even for nothing if you prefer. Or perhaps you know of a prop-hire company who would like it. But come to think of it, even they probably don?t get much call for a pink bathroom suite!
I?m rather drawn to the idea of having one of those luxurious loos that wipes, washes and air dries the derriere for you, then runs a clean change of seat cover round the rim as you leave.
Or maybe not.
Cheers,
Nick.
Sent from my iPad

On 27 Mar 2019, at 00:35, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

Thanks Dave, nice to know that it is legal! Sadly it cost ?4 at the tip to dispose of it. I liked it, but I had ordered a double-trap siphonic bowl in 1975 and I was given a normal washdown. It took a long while for me to discover that I had been given something different! My wife has auto-immune disease of the liver which means that her poo floats and will never go down the hole! The Topaz washdown bowl doesn't encourage anything to go anywhere as it just has a lot of holes round the rim and no pressure on the contents. Hopefully the flap version dumps the water very quickly and that should sort out the problem!. Cheers, Dave

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From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net  Thu Mar 28 06:13:10 2019
From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt)
Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2019 11:13:10 -0000
Subject: [Tech1] Toilet talk
In-Reply-To: <VI1P192MB0271A970FA6466DCEE3488A6A7590@VI1P192MB0271.EURP192.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
References: <fac6ade5-3ca8-980c-875b-44f1488538f2@btinternet.com><26B66F38EB524013ADCA349F10B26E51@DESKTOP6GGCRV1><1f645afd-bf11-caca-7b8b-a646f18bd509@btinternet.com><VI1P192MB027169F89EE251832AD7A9A9A7580@VI1P192MB0271.EURP192.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM><bf0228f6-e6d2-9ada-0db0-c90041633eb3@gmail.com><79FB35A5-DD3A-4720-A705-214A8843547B@btinternet.com><CBF5EEFB-2267-4E8C-8158-0EE907E45AD7@btinternet.com><5C0AF0FB-F2AA-4872-87E3-03CF2035218C@icloud.com>,
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Wonderful mixture of ancient and modern, Nick. Atop the cistern the flush button looks more like a volume control. Don?t even go there!

Dave Newbittt.

From: Nick Ware via Tech1 
Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2019 10:45 AM
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk 
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Toilet talk

Compared to that, this toilet was bog standard, but I thought the wash stand was an inspired work of art. Seen in our mud hut accomodation in Mali while on a shoot with David Attenborough (might as well name drop while I?m about it). 


Cheers,
Nick.

Sent from my iPad

On 28 Mar 2019, at 09:53, David Newbitt via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:


  OK Peter ? you?ve talked me into it! Photographed these in the gents on board the SS Great Britain in Oct 2016.

  <DSC03234%20small%20file[3].jpg>

  <DSC03242%20small%20file[3].jpg>

  How about the Royal Crest? Eat your heart out Dave Mundy!!

  Dave Newbitt.

  From: Peter Neill via Tech1 
  Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2019 9:10 AM
  To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk 
  Subject: Re: [Tech1] Toilet talk

  If we?re sharing pictures of toilets, this is the Gents at a garden centre near Preston. 


  Sent from my iPhone. Apologies for typos and autocorruptions. 


  Peter
  <image1.jpeg>


  On 27 Mar 2019, at 20:58, Geoffrey Hawkes via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:


    Gentlemen,
    When visiting one of those wonderful full-featured toilets, symphonic or not, just make sure you don't press the button marked ATR or you could be done a serious mischief...? ? 
    Geoff

    On 27 Mar 2019, at 17:44, Roger E Long via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:


      Last time I was in Tokyo we had  a Panasonic all dancing lavatory 
      Great fun, telephone ,auto sex selection, heated seat and spray included?.
      The previous time we had a Toyo auto loo, this was more basic and included stick man instruction on how to use it for' out of towners' owners used to footprint lavatorys
      I took the pictogram off the wall and had it only locker for a long time.
      It was very graphic.

      Roger



        On 27 Mar 2019, at 12:03, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

        After a trip to Tokyo, I too really fancied a Washlet - https://s7d3.scene7.com/is/image/totousa/MW6142034CUFG_GAL_01 - with the arm on the side covered in obscure icons and buttons that spray and blow warm air.  Truly a life enhancing experience. When I looked it all up, it wants electricity - so fancy isolator stuff - and more water head than I have.  Also very expensive, so I gave up. My week in semi-rural Thailand the other week offered an easier solution. Toilet paper there is meant for drying only, as the soil pipes aren't fat ones like ours. Cleaning is done with the spray found by the side of most non-European-tourist Asian hotels, and everywhere else.  The hardware store by my hotel in Krabi had a wall of them in their plumbing section, so quite a deal there.

        When I got home I bought one from Amazon, as they have lots. Fitting it has been more of a deal, though I think it's sorted now.  It has a three way tap thing that you attach to the cistern inlet. You're supposed to keep the tap turned off when not using it to lessen the pressure on the spray, but  it turns out that (of course) three way taps are "handed" and mine just didn't work where it was supposed to fit. You couldn't turn the tap because there isn't room. Three days fun with plumbing has followed, though I think it's sorted now.  I'm now very much qualified to consult on toilet sprays, if anyone needs such a service.

        As Geoff says - the subjects we get on to!

        B




        On 27/03/2019 10:48, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote:

          All this lavatorial talk! We?ve recently moved house, and the first thing that has to go is the highly unfashionable (though the vendors thought it lovely) pink bathroom suite. The toilet has a traditional cranky old ball-cock, you?ll be pleased to hear. Odd that they kept it, as the en-suite includes a modern white loo with a bottom entry (if you?ll pardon the expression) float valve.
          We would love to offer the pink suite to anyone here for a suitably extortionate sum of money. Or maybe even for nothing if you prefer. Or perhaps you know of a prop-hire company who would like it. But come to think of it, even they probably don?t get much call for a pink bathroom suite!
          I?m rather drawn to the idea of having one of those luxurious loos that wipes, washes and air dries the derriere for you, then runs a clean change of seat cover round the rim as you leave. 
          Or maybe not.
          Cheers,
          Nick.

          Sent from my iPad

          On 27 Mar 2019, at 00:35, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:


            Thanks Dave, nice to know that it is legal! Sadly it cost ?4 at the tip to dispose of it. I liked it, but I had ordered a double-trap siphonic bowl in 1975 and I was given a normal washdown. It took a long while for me to discover that I had been given something different! My wife has auto-immune disease of the liver which means that her poo floats and will never go down the hole! The Topaz washdown bowl doesn't encourage anything to go anywhere as it just has a lot of holes round the rim and no pressure on the contents. Hopefully the flap version dumps the water very quickly and that should sort out the problem!. Cheers, Dave

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From dave at davesound.co.uk  Thu Mar 28 06:22:56 2019
From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman)
Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2019 11:22:56 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Tech1] Colours
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In article <0b98a358-99f8-fce7-f8fd-c351dc52b8a9 at btinternet.com>,
   dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> A special treat for you younger chaps here are the colours available for 
> your bathroom appliances in 1978, the manufacturers must be so pleased 
> now that everything is back to school, hospital, prison, council, boring 
>   WHITE! Cheers, Dave. PS. My local bathroom shop has a sink in 'Sage' - 
> is the start of a coloured comeback?

I'm hoping. ;-) 

My house is Victorian, and built with a tiny bathroom with separate toilet
along side it. Behind the bathroom was a very small bedroom - more like a
boxroom - and a corridor which went past the bathroom to get to it. All
one floor of the rear addition to the house, and no load bearing walls.

Drawing that space out on the back of a fag packet not being used for a
4038, I found I could have a nice sized bathroom and increase the size of
the separate loo to make room  for a washbasin.  

Decided on a coloured suite - this was the late 70s. Neighbour owned a
plumber's merchant, and gave me a very good deal indeed for those days.

I chose what was called whisper green. Including a large cast iron bath.
White rather than chrome fittings.

I still like it so sod fashion. The next owner of this house will rip
everything out and start again. It's what people do.

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    Dave Plowman     dave at davesound.co.uk     London SW 12
    


From dave at davesound.co.uk  Thu Mar 28 06:26:48 2019
From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman)
Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2019 11:26:48 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Tech1] Toilet cisterns
In-Reply-To: <5847B1CD-78F3-47EE-9189-A4B5270B6DA4@mac.com>
References: <fac6ade5-3ca8-980c-875b-44f1488538f2@btinternet.com>
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In article <5847B1CD-78F3-47EE-9189-A4B5270B6DA4 at mac.com>,
   Mike Giles via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> To change tack slightly - has anyone tried cording and electrifying a
> set of curtains on a pole? It seems easy in theory, but ???

Yes - I have two sets here, both ancient. Using motors which were made in
Croydon - actually based on gramophone turntable motors by the looks.
Company was called Overmatic, and they made larger stuff for theatres, etc.

The real trick is to get a nice smooth running track.

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From martin at mridout.force9.co.uk  Thu Mar 28 08:41:01 2019
From: martin at mridout.force9.co.uk (Martin Ridout)
Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2019 13:41:01 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Toilet talk
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Gents loo in a pub in Belgium.
Martin


> 
>> OK Peter ? you?ve talked me into it! Photographed these in the gents 
>> on board the SS Great Britain in Oct 2016.
>> <DSC03234%20small%20file[3].jpg>
>> <DSC03242%20small%20file[3].jpg>
>> How about the Royal Crest? Eat your heart out Dave Mundy!!
>> Dave Newbitt.
>> *From:* Peter Neill via Tech1
>> *Sent:* Thursday, March 28, 2019 9:10 AM
>> *To:* tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>> *Subject:* Re: [Tech1] Toilet talk
>> If we?re sharing pictures of toilets, this is the Gents at a garden 
>> centre near Preston.
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From jpn at imixmics.co.uk  Thu Mar 28 11:02:33 2019
From: jpn at imixmics.co.uk (John Nottage)
Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2019 16:02:33 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] [SPAM?] Re:  Toilet talk
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Just to raise the tone a bit: pictures of the ladies loo in The George, 
Stamford (not taken by me, in case you wondered).

John

On 28/03/2019 13:41, Martin Ridout via Tech1 wrote:
> Gents loo in a pub in Belgium.
> Martin
> 
> 
>>
>>> OK Peter ? you?ve talked me into it! Photographed these in the gents 
>>> on board the SS Great Britain in Oct 2016.
>>> <DSC03234%20small%20file[3].jpg>
>>> <DSC03242%20small%20file[3].jpg>
>>> How about the Royal Crest? Eat your heart out Dave Mundy!!
>>> Dave Newbitt.
>>> *From:* Peter Neill via Tech1
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, March 28, 2019 9:10 AM
>>> *To:* tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>>> *Subject:* Re: [Tech1] Toilet talk
>>> If we?re sharing pictures of toilets, this is the Gents at a garden 
>>> centre near Preston.
>>>
> 

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From rogerbunce at btinternet.com  Thu Mar 28 12:26:30 2019
From: rogerbunce at btinternet.com (ROGER BUNCE)
Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2019 17:26:30 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tech1] Pam Lintern and Fred Wright
References: <741413795.20945981.1553793990105.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <741413795.20945981.1553793990105@mail.yahoo.com>

Hi All,
A request from Toby Hadoke. Is any one still in touch with, or know what became of, Fed Wright (Lighting) or Pam Lintern (P.A. and wife of John Lintern, former Senior Cameraman and Camera Manager).
Thank You,
luv, Rog.
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From s.k.edwards at btinternet.com  Thu Mar 28 13:08:38 2019
From: s.k.edwards at btinternet.com (Steve Edwards)
Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2019 18:08:38 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] [SPAM?] Re:  Toilet talk
In-Reply-To: <84642952-e871-9dce-643f-e5ac942378b6@imixmics.co.uk>
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I wouldn?t have normally taken any interest but with Toilets now being the main subject of my mailbox I was drawn to spotting this offering at the NEC Housebuilding show earlier today.....

Smart Phones, Smart Meters and now Smart Toilets!!! 

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Naturally I was a bit too embarrassed to ask the Lady rep for a free demonstration in front the crowd - hopefully it didn?t have a helping hand that comes out to offer any assistance - but with technology moving at today?s pace - that may soon be an optional extra.  

I do wonder how I?ve survived, as we had just one earth closet up the garden when we were kids.     

Steve 


> On 28 Mar 2019, at 16:02, John Nottage via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Just to raise the tone a bit: pictures of the ladies loo in The George, Stamford (not taken by me, in case you wondered).
> 
> John
> 
>> On 28/03/2019 13:41, Martin Ridout via Tech1 wrote:
>> Gents loo in a pub in Belgium.
>> Martin
>>> 
>>>> OK Peter ? you?ve talked me into it! Photographed these in the gents on board the SS Great Britain in Oct 2016.
>>>> <DSC03234%20small%20file[3].jpg>
>>>> <DSC03242%20small%20file[3].jpg>
>>>> How about the Royal Crest? Eat your heart out Dave Mundy!!
>>>> Dave Newbitt.
>>>> *From:* Peter Neill via Tech1
>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, March 28, 2019 9:10 AM
>>>> *To:* tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [Tech1] Toilet talk
>>>> If we?re sharing pictures of toilets, this is the Gents at a garden centre near Preston.
> 
> <20160817_135946.jpg>
> <20160817_140204.jpg>
> -- 
> Tech1 mailing list
> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk

From gary_critcher at yahoo.com  Thu Mar 28 13:46:44 2019
From: gary_critcher at yahoo.com (Gary Critcher)
Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2019 18:46:44 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tech1] Toilet talk.
References: <441322722.21024576.1553798805197.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <441322722.21024576.1553798805197@mail.yahoo.com>

Taken this morning at Brooklands Museum. 
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From alawrance1 at me.com  Thu Mar 28 15:19:35 2019
From: alawrance1 at me.com (Alasdair Lawrance)
Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2019 20:19:35 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] ISS e-mails
Message-ID: <1BA1C86A-F468-4007-9E01-9CA24D0EC2D7@me.com>

I subscribe to the NASA e-mails that tell you when the International Space Station is going to be visible, and I?ve just watched it again tonight.

Since it doesn?t appear at the same time every day, is it pre-programmed to follow different paths and orbits, or is it manoeuvred by the crew?  Some days it doesn?t appear at all, so you don?t get an e. How is it worked out when our planet is spinning and tilting on its axis, as well as moving in a non-circular orbit round the sun?

I?m also in awe of the computer program which sends these e-mails out. They are valid for an area of approx. 50 miles radius of your chosen city/location, in my case of Solihull.

I?m also baffled that it?s the same species that built, launched and is controlling the thing is the same as the one that is making such an omnishambles of Brexit, but that?s another story.

Apologies that this has nothing to do with loos or bodily functions, but I?m fairly certain they have different arrangements up there.....

Alasdair Lawrance

Sent from my iPad Pro.


From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Thu Mar 28 15:37:37 2019
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2019 20:37:37 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Toilet talk
In-Reply-To: <141FE92216BF4CF78750ED1F6DF99CA3@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>
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Very nice indeed! It must give you great pleasure to flush such an 
iconicpiece of history! Cheers, Dave


From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Thu Mar 28 15:40:16 2019
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2019 20:40:16 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Toilet talk
In-Reply-To: <47e5d69c-5e77-43c8-f52a-759ba4b221ee@mridout.force9.co.uk>
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Now, if that had been Watney's brewery .......! Cheers, Dave


From bernie833 at gmail.com  Thu Mar 28 16:07:58 2019
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2019 21:07:58 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] ISS e-mails
In-Reply-To: <1BA1C86A-F468-4007-9E01-9CA24D0EC2D7@me.com>
References: <1BA1C86A-F468-4007-9E01-9CA24D0EC2D7@me.com>
Message-ID: <12a7aca7-cf41-5220-c1e7-1ab0044f8a33@ntlworld.com>


https://eol.jsc.nasa.gov/ESRS/HDEV/
https://eol.jsc.nasa.gov/Tools/orbitTutorial.htm



On 28/03/2019 20:19, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 wrote:
> I subscribe to the NASA e-mails that tell you when the International Space Station is going to be visible, and I?ve just watched it again tonight.
>
> Since it doesn?t appear at the same time every day, is it pre-programmed to follow different paths and orbits, or is it manoeuvred by the crew?  Some days it doesn?t appear at all, so you don?t get an e. How is it worked out when our planet is spinning and tilting on its axis, as well as moving in a non-circular orbit round the sun?
>
> I?m also in awe of the computer program which sends these e-mails out. They are valid for an area of approx. 50 miles radius of your chosen city/location, in my case of Solihull.
>
> I?m also baffled that it?s the same species that built, launched and is controlling the thing is the same as the one that is making such an omnishambles of Brexit, but that?s another story.
>
> Apologies that this has nothing to do with loos or bodily functions, but I?m fairly certain they have different arrangements up there.....
>
> Alasdair Lawrance
>
> Sent from my iPad Pro.
>

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From graeme.wall at icloud.com  Thu Mar 28 16:28:17 2019
From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall)
Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2019 21:28:17 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Toilet talk.
In-Reply-To: <441322722.21024576.1553798805197@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <441322722.21024576.1553798805197.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<441322722.21024576.1553798805197@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <34A62BFE-51E0-4086-8C98-F19A0DD28FBC@icloud.com>

The Philhamonic Dining Rooms in Liverpool run guided tours of the Gents toilets (for the ladies):
? 
Graeme Wall


> On 28 Mar 2019, at 18:46, Gary Critcher via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Taken this morning at Brooklands Museum. <20190328_102918.jpg><20190328_102924.jpg><20190328_102932.jpg>-- 
> Tech1 mailing list
> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Fri Mar 29 04:17:19 2019
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2019 09:17:19 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Projectors
Message-ID: <2babde66-76bf-18d5-6727-e90f0da89826@gmail.com>

Getting away from toilet talk - though in passing I would like to 
recommend the Mira digital shower I bought a few years ago. Excellent!

Does anyone have experience with buying projectors?? I may need to get 
one as part of my new vocation as a U3A group leader.? It just needs to 
be a fairly small one, capable of projecting the output of a laptop or a 
camera onto a screen a couple of meters away.

Any recommendations?

B
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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Fri Mar 29 04:30:00 2019
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2019 09:30:00 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] ISS e-mails
In-Reply-To: <1BA1C86A-F468-4007-9E01-9CA24D0EC2D7@me.com>
References: <1BA1C86A-F468-4007-9E01-9CA24D0EC2D7@me.com>
Message-ID: <78ca2449-c1d8-8c71-7279-4f53ca41f672@ntlworld.com>

The ISS orbit is inclined at 51 degrees to the equator - apparently a 
compromise to do with the latitudes of Baikonur and Canaveral, where 
supplies are lifted from. It just goes round and round in its orbit, 
that's all. Meanwhile the earth turns under it , and when it gets back 
to a particular point in the orbit every 90 minutes or so, a different 
place is under it. Like the stars, it's impossible to see in daylight, 
but when the sun is shining on it and not you it's a pretty bright 
object moving at a fair clip across the sky.

Next chance to see, here in Woking, is tonight at 1906? till 1912, going 
right overhead, so should be easy to spot in a clear sky. There's an app 
for that, called ISS Detector.

B



On 28/03/2019 20:19, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 wrote:
> Since it doesn?t appear at the same time every day, is it pre-programmed to follow different paths and orbits, or is it manoeuvred by the crew?  Some days it doesn?t appear at all, so you don?t get an e. How is it worked out when our planet is spinning and tilting on its axis, as well as moving in a non-circular orbit round the sun?

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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Fri Mar 29 04:30:11 2019
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2019 09:30:11 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] ISS e-mails
In-Reply-To: <1BA1C86A-F468-4007-9E01-9CA24D0EC2D7@me.com>
References: <1BA1C86A-F468-4007-9E01-9CA24D0EC2D7@me.com>
Message-ID: <2f82d4d9-4567-185d-db3d-79c9979688e6@gmail.com>

The ISS orbit is inclined at 51 degrees to the equator - apparently a 
compromise to do with the latitudes of Baikonur and Canaveral, where 
supplies are lifted from. It just goes round and round in its orbit, 
that's all. Meanwhile the earth turns under it , and when it gets back 
to a particular point in the orbit every 90 minutes or so, a different 
place is under it. Like the stars, it's impossible to see in daylight, 
but when the sun is shining on it and not you it's a pretty bright 
object moving at a fair clip across the sky.

Next chance to see, here in Woking, is tonight at 1906? till 1912, going 
right overhead, so should be easy to spot in a clear sky. There's an app 
for that, called ISS Detector.

B



On 28/03/2019 20:19, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 wrote:
> Since it doesn?t appear at the same time every day, is it pre-programmed to follow different paths and orbits, or is it manoeuvred by the crew?  Some days it doesn?t appear at all, so you don?t get an e. How is it worked out when our planet is spinning and tilting on its axis, as well as moving in a non-circular orbit round the sun?

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From hughsheppard at btinternet.com  Fri Mar 29 05:16:56 2019
From: hughsheppard at btinternet.com (Hugh Sheppard)
Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2019 10:16:56 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Projectors
In-Reply-To: <2babde66-76bf-18d5-6727-e90f0da89826@gmail.com>
References: <2babde66-76bf-18d5-6727-e90f0da89826@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5fbbd002-f2c8-92de-846c-4ac6daf01907@btinternet.com>

Take care over projectors with short throw zooms ; useful at times but a 
pain with keystone distortion etc. needing versatile, careful 
correction.? The further away it can go, the better.

Hugh

On 29-Mar-19 9:17 AM, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote:
> Getting away from toilet talk - though in passing I would like to 
> recommend the Mira digital shower I bought a few years ago. Excellent!
>
> Does anyone have experience with buying projectors?? I may need to get 
> one as part of my new vocation as a U3A group leader.? It just needs 
> to be a fairly small one, capable of projecting the output of a laptop 
> or a camera onto a screen a couple of meters away.
>
> Any recommendations?
>
> B
>
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From mikej at bmanor.co.uk  Fri Mar 29 05:05:22 2019
From: mikej at bmanor.co.uk (Mike Jordan)
Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2019 10:05:22 -0000
Subject: [Tech1] Projectors
In-Reply-To: <2babde66-76bf-18d5-6727-e90f0da89826@gmail.com>
References: <2babde66-76bf-18d5-6727-e90f0da89826@gmail.com>
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Last toilet comment!

And who remembers the original Thomas Crapper cistern in the courtyard off Peartree Flats under the women's accommodation (not much needed in those days)
next to Studio 13 where we were entertained with film shows.
I wonder what those buildings are used for nowadays? Still have the video of a pop group (well course members actually) concert recorded for the last night of our lighting course on that bit of grass between outside of Studio 13 and the canteen. Lighting provided by the course.

Incidentally Bernie, how many instruments to measure electricity or water consumption are lined up between your projector and screen? (he he)

I am just sorting setup for slides for a lecture next week in the ?soon to be stolen from the community to be an hotel? Ealing Town Hall and usually slideshows come as ppt, pptx (don?t always work on my W95 laptop so use Open Office) or even as pdf ? which actually work well in Adobe Acrobat and even the clicker works for that ? good to know!

Mike

From: Bernard Newnham via Tech1 
Sent: Friday, March 29, 2019 9:17 AM
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk 
Subject: [Tech1] Projectors

Getting away from toilet talk - though in passing I would like to recommend the Mira digital shower I bought a few years ago. Excellent!

Does anyone have experience with buying projectors?  I may need to get one as part of my new vocation as a U3A group leader.  It just needs to be a fairly small one, capable of projecting the output of a laptop or a camera onto a screen a couple of meters away.

Any recommendations?

B
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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Fri Mar 29 05:23:18 2019
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2019 10:23:18 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Toilet talk
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Of course! Cheers, Dave


From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Fri Mar 29 05:29:51 2019
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2019 10:29:51 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Famous toilets
Message-ID: <85ccdf28-2f17-640c-8f8e-16a659dac2b6@btinternet.com>

The attached photo shows part of the famous public loo in Kawakawa, New 
Zealand North Island. This history of it can be found on Wikipedia. The 
town itself is not far from where Chris Penny (the 'White Hunter!') ex. 
OBs camerperson, now lives in Kerikeri, Bay of Islands area. Cheers, Dave.
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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Fri Mar 29 05:50:54 2019
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2019 10:50:54 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] WN
In-Reply-To: <9E818EC9ACB8417FBA5A57C4D158636B@Gigabyte>
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Atached are two of many pictures I took on our week-end at WN in Nov. 
2012 just after the hotel re-opened. Many more on our website. Cheers, Dave
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From robert.miles at soundsuper.co.uk  Fri Mar 29 06:00:03 2019
From: robert.miles at soundsuper.co.uk (Robert Miles)
Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2019 11:00:03 -0000
Subject: [Tech1] Scott Walker - Billy Cotton Show
Message-ID: <004301d4e61e$90ca2040$b25e60c0$@soundsuper.co.uk>

Interesting item on R4 ?Today? about a recently discovered ?? recording from
a 1967 Billy Cotton Show 

 

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From dave at davesound.co.uk  Fri Mar 29 06:12:27 2019
From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman)
Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2019 11:12:27 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Tech1] Scott Walker - Billy Cotton Show
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In article <004301d4e61e$90ca2040$b25e60c0$@soundsuper.co.uk>,
   Robert Miles via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> Interesting item on R4 ?Today? about a recently discovered ?? recording
> from a 1967 Billy Cotton Show 

Heard the item. Mentioned (or sort of) that the 1/4" may have come from a
SS. And were careful to state he'd made it for BBC purposes - rather than
just for himself. ;-)

-- 
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    Dave Plowman     dave at davesound.co.uk     London SW 12
    


From martin at mridout.force9.co.uk  Fri Mar 29 04:29:33 2019
From: martin at mridout.force9.co.uk (Martin Ridout)
Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2019 09:29:33 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Toilet talk
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....the barrels would have been Red.
Martin

On 28/03/2019 20:40, dave.mdv wrote:
> Now, if that had been Watney's brewery .......! Cheers, Dave
> 


From martin at mridout.force9.co.uk  Fri Mar 29 04:43:20 2019
From: martin at mridout.force9.co.uk (Martin Ridout)
Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2019 09:43:20 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Projectors
In-Reply-To: <2babde66-76bf-18d5-6727-e90f0da89826@gmail.com>
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I bought a new projector for our local photo society last year - Optoma 
HD151X. Super quality for projecting competition images. Not now a 
current model, but the replacement is HD152X, which I also have 
experience of. It is slightly smaller and less expensive, but good 
quality. Both of these have a tilt/shift type of lens that removes the 
need to tilt the projector up to the screen, and avoids keystoning.

I have found Optoma projectors to be very reliable. Bright enough to be 
viewed in daylight. This was actually a slight problem for the photo 
society as we project in a darkened room - had to run at minimum brightness.

Martin


On 29/03/2019 09:17, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote:
> Getting away from toilet talk - though in passing I would like to 
> recommend the Mira digital shower I bought a few years ago. Excellent!
> 
> Does anyone have experience with buying projectors?? I may need to get 
> one as part of my new vocation as a U3A group leader.? It just needs to 
> be a fairly small one, capable of projecting the output of a laptop or a 
> camera onto a screen a couple of meters away.
> 
> Any recommendations?
> 
> B
> 


From pat.heigham at amps.net  Fri Mar 29 06:45:26 2019
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2019 11:45:26 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Toilet talk
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I caught a repeat of an ?Allo, ?Allo episode recently, where Gruber?s little tank crashes into the pissoir with Officer Crabtree inside. As he struggles out, a wonderful line of dialogue in his execrable accent:
? Obviously, there is no peese for the wicked!?

Pat

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Martin Ridout via Tech1
Sent: 29 March 2019 11:28
To: dave.mdv; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Toilet talk

....the barrels would have been Red.
Martin

On 28/03/2019 20:40, dave.mdv wrote:
> Now, if that had been Watney's brewery .......! Cheers, Dave
> 

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From chris.booth at froyle.com  Fri Mar 29 06:55:37 2019
From: chris.booth at froyle.com (chris.booth at froyle.com)
Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2019 11:55:37 -0000
Subject: [Tech1] Projectors
In-Reply-To: <2babde66-76bf-18d5-6727-e90f0da89826@gmail.com>
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Hi Bernie,
I?ve got an Epson EBX31 LCD projector which I bought in 2016.
It works fine off a Toshiba laptop and is very easy to set up.
Much easier than the Mitsubishi I had before which you had to take extreme care when shutting down to avoid losing the lamp (which was nearly ?400).
----------
Chris B

From: Bernard Newnham via Tech1 
Sent: Friday, March 29, 2019 9:17 AM
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk 
Subject: [Tech1] Projectors

Getting away from toilet talk - though in passing I would like to recommend the Mira digital shower I bought a few years ago. Excellent!

Does anyone have experience with buying projectors?  I may need to get one as part of my new vocation as a U3A group leader.  It just needs to be a fairly small one, capable of projecting the output of a laptop or a camera onto a screen a couple of meters away.

Any recommendations?

B



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From ian.hillson at gmail.com  Fri Mar 29 07:07:47 2019
From: ian.hillson at gmail.com (Ian H)
Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2019 12:07:47 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Hammersmith Highline
In-Reply-To: <CAJfPDPnQeOJgwwJw6EkR5YZ+q9UZ1r=ctaBvatcudpx4x6CPNA@mail.gmail.com>
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No, I can't remember this when it  closed just over a hundred years ago:
https://www.ianvisits.co.uk/blog/2019/03/28/hammersmith-turning-old-railway-track-into-its-own-highline/

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From mail at terrymeadowcroft.co.uk  Fri Mar 29 07:30:06 2019
From: mail at terrymeadowcroft.co.uk (terrymeadowcroft)
Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2019 12:30:06 -0000
Subject: [Tech1] ISS e-mails
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Hello Bernard,

I got 2 Spot the station emails this morning; first one said 7:07 for 6 minutes, second said 8:42 for 3 minutes. I guess the second one corrects the first?!

Terry (Meadowcroft)
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Bernard Newnham via Tech1 
  To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk 
  Cc: Bernard Newnham 
  Sent: Friday, March 29, 2019 9:30 AM
  Subject: Re: [Tech1] ISS e-mails


  The ISS orbit is inclined at 51 degrees to the equator - apparently a compromise to do with the latitudes of Baikonur and Canaveral, where supplies are lifted from. It just goes round and round in its orbit, that's all.  Meanwhile the earth turns under it , and when it gets back to a particular point in the orbit every 90 minutes or so, a different place is under it. Like the stars, it's impossible to see in daylight, but when the sun is shining on it and not you it's a pretty bright object moving at a fair clip across the sky.

  Next chance to see, here in Woking, is tonight at 1906  till 1912, going right overhead, so should be easy to spot in a clear sky. There's an app for that, called ISS Detector.

  B

   


  On 28/03/2019 20:19, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 wrote:

Since it doesn?t appear at the same time every day, is it pre-programmed to follow different paths and orbits, or is it manoeuvred by the crew?  Some days it doesn?t appear at all, so you don?t get an e. How is it worked out when our planet is spinning and tilting on its axis, as well as moving in a non-circular orbit round the sun?



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From vernon.dyer at btinternet.com  Fri Mar 29 08:41:15 2019
From: vernon.dyer at btinternet.com (vernon.dyer)
Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2019 13:41:15 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] ISS e-mails
Message-ID: <7c3otut7ygeps2almrchloy6.1553866875542@email.android.com>

No, because the ISS orbits the earth every 100 minutes approximately, so both times are correct.Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.-------- Original message --------From: terrymeadowcroft via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> Date: 29/03/2019  12:30  (GMT+00:00) To: bernard.newnham at ntlworld.com Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] ISS e-mails 
Hello Bernard,
?
I got 2 Spot the station emails this morning; first 
one said 7:07 for 6 minutes, second said 8:42 for 3 minutes. I guess the second 
one corrects the first?!
?
Terry (Meadowcroft)

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: 
  Bernard 
  Newnham via Tech1 
  To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk 
  Cc: Bernard Newnham 
  Sent: Friday, March 29, 2019 9:30 
AM
  Subject: Re: [Tech1] ISS e-mails
  The ISS orbit is 
  inclined at 51 degrees to the equator - apparently a compromise to do with the 
  latitudes of Baikonur and Canaveral, where supplies are lifted from. It just 
  goes round and round in its orbit, that's all.? Meanwhile the earth turns 
  under it , and when it gets back to a particular point in the orbit every 90 
  minutes or so, a different place is under it. Like the stars, it's impossible 
  to see in daylight, but when the sun is shining on it and not you it's a 
  pretty bright object moving at a fair clip across the sky.Next chance 
  to see, here in Woking, is tonight at 
  1906? till 1912, going right overhead, so should be easy to spot in a 
  clear sky. There's an app for that, called ISS 
  Detector.B?
  On 28/03/2019 20:19, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 
  wrote:
  Since it doesn?t appear at the same time every day, is it pre-programmed to follow different paths and orbits, or is it manoeuvred by the crew?  Some days it doesn?t appear at all, so you don?t get an e. How is it worked out when our planet is spinning and tilting on its axis, as well as moving in a non-circular orbit round the sun?
  
  

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From rogerbunce at btinternet.com  Fri Mar 29 08:54:03 2019
From: rogerbunce at btinternet.com (ROGER BUNCE)
Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2019 13:54:03 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tech1] ISS e-mails
In-Reply-To: <78ca2449-c1d8-8c71-7279-4f53ca41f672@ntlworld.com>
References: <1BA1C86A-F468-4007-9E01-9CA24D0EC2D7@me.com>
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 It also has to bounce up and down a few kilometres, occasionally, to avoid collisions with space junk.
Apparently the trick is to look out for it just after sunset, or before sunrise, when the Earth's surface has become dark, but sunlight is still reaching things that high up.
Meanwhile, for those interested in such things, the Imax cinema, at the South Ken. Science Museum, is still showing 'A Beautiful Planet' in 3D, all shot on, or from, the ISS. Not very 3D when looking down at the Earth's surface (too far away) but, when tumbling about in zero gravity amongst the astronauts aboard the Space Station, more than 3D enough to induce a very realistic sense of space sickness!
And they've now got a new one, following space-walking astronauts, making repairs to the Hubble Telescope.
luv, Rog.

     On Friday, 29 March 2019, 09:30:52 GMT, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:  
 
  The ISS orbit is inclined at 51 degrees to the equator - apparently a compromise to do with the latitudes of Baikonur and Canaveral, where supplies are lifted from. It just goes round and round in its orbit, that's all.? Meanwhile the earth turns under it , and when it gets back to a particular point in the orbit every 90 minutes or so, a different place is under it. Like the stars, it's impossible to see in daylight, but when the sun is shining on it and not you it's a pretty bright object moving at a fair clip across the sky.
 
 Next chance to see, here in Woking, is tonight at 1906? till 1912, going right overhead, so should be easy to spot in a clear sky. There's an app for that, called ISS Detector.
 
 B
 
 ?
 
 On 28/03/2019 20:19, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 wrote:
  
 Since it doesn?t appear at the same time every day, is it pre-programmed to follow different paths and orbits, or is it manoeuvred by the crew?  Some days it doesn?t appear at all, so you don?t get an e. How is it worked out when our planet is spinning and tilting on its axis, as well as moving in a non-circular orbit round the sun? 
 
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From mail at terrymeadowcroft.co.uk  Fri Mar 29 10:44:42 2019
From: mail at terrymeadowcroft.co.uk (terrymeadowcroft)
Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2019 15:44:42 -0000
Subject: [Tech1] ISS e-mails
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How silly of me! Two sightings tonight then - looks like a clear night and the North York Moors are more or less devoid of light pollution which is nice.

Max the dog just looks upon my ISS watching as an tedious paws in his walk!

Terry
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  From: vernon.dyer via Tech1 
  To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk 
  Sent: Friday, March 29, 2019 1:41 PM
  Subject: Re: [Tech1] ISS e-mails




  No, because the ISS orbits the earth every 100 minutes approximately, so both times are correct.




  Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.
  -------- Original message --------
  From: terrymeadowcroft via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> 
  Date: 29/03/2019 12:30 (GMT+00:00) 
  To: bernard.newnham at ntlworld.com 
  Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk 
  Subject: Re: [Tech1] ISS e-mails 


  Hello Bernard,

  I got 2 Spot the station emails this morning; first one said 7:07 for 6 minutes, second said 8:42 for 3 minutes. I guess the second one corrects the first?!

  Terry (Meadowcroft)
    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Bernard Newnham via Tech1 
    To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk 
    Cc: Bernard Newnham 
    Sent: Friday, March 29, 2019 9:30 AM
    Subject: Re: [Tech1] ISS e-mails


    The ISS orbit is inclined at 51 degrees to the equator - apparently a compromise to do with the latitudes of Baikonur and Canaveral, where supplies are lifted from. It just goes round and round in its orbit, that's all.  Meanwhile the earth turns under it , and when it gets back to a particular point in the orbit every 90 minutes or so, a different place is under it. Like the stars, it's impossible to see in daylight, but when the sun is shining on it and not you it's a pretty bright object moving at a fair clip across the sky.

    Next chance to see, here in Woking, is tonight at 1906  till 1912, going right overhead, so should be easy to spot in a clear sky. There's an app for that, called ISS Detector.

    B

     


    On 28/03/2019 20:19, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 wrote:

Since it doesn?t appear at the same time every day, is it pre-programmed to follow different paths and orbits, or is it manoeuvred by the crew?  Some days it doesn?t appear at all, so you don?t get an e. How is it worked out when our planet is spinning and tilting on its axis, as well as moving in a non-circular orbit round the sun?



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From mail at terrymeadowcroft.co.uk  Fri Mar 29 10:48:28 2019
From: mail at terrymeadowcroft.co.uk (terrymeadowcroft)
Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2019 15:48:28 -0000
Subject: [Tech1] ISS e-mails
References: <1BA1C86A-F468-4007-9E01-9CA24D0EC2D7@me.com><78ca2449-c1d8-8c71-7279-4f53ca41f672@ntlworld.com>
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Looks like a full evenings' viewing for me. The LG 56" 3D telly is a wondrous beast, and it's smart, so I think the 3D from the web might just work!

Terry
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 
  To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk 
  Sent: Friday, March 29, 2019 1:54 PM
  Subject: Re: [Tech1] ISS e-mails


  It also has to bounce up and down a few kilometres, occasionally, to avoid collisions with space junk.


  Apparently the trick is to look out for it just after sunset, or before sunrise, when the Earth's surface has become dark, but sunlight is still reaching things that high up.


  Meanwhile, for those interested in such things, the Imax cinema, at the South Ken. Science Museum, is still showing 'A Beautiful Planet' in 3D, all shot on, or from, the ISS. Not very 3D when looking down at the Earth's surface (too far away) but, when tumbling about in zero gravity amongst the astronauts aboard the Space Station, more than 3D enough to induce a very realistic sense of space sickness!


  And they've now got a new one, following space-walking astronauts, making repairs to the Hubble Telescope.


  luv, Rog.




  On Friday, 29 March 2019, 09:30:52 GMT, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote: 




  The ISS orbit is inclined at 51 degrees to the equator - apparently a compromise to do with the latitudes of Baikonur and Canaveral, where supplies are lifted from. It just goes round and round in its orbit, that's all.  Meanwhile the earth turns under it , and when it gets back to a particular point in the orbit every 90 minutes or so, a different place is under it. Like the stars, it's impossible to see in daylight, but when the sun is shining on it and not you it's a pretty bright object moving at a fair clip across the sky.

  Next chance to see, here in Woking, is tonight at 1906  till 1912, going right overhead, so should be easy to spot in a clear sky. There's an app for that, called ISS Detector.

  B

   


  On 28/03/2019 20:19, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 wrote:


Since it doesn?t appear at the same time every day, is it pre-programmed to follow different paths and orbits, or is it manoeuvred by the crew?  Some days it doesn?t appear at all, so you don?t get an e. How is it worked out when our planet is spinning and tilting on its axis, as well as moving in a non-circular orbit round the sun?

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From geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com  Fri Mar 29 18:15:12 2019
From: geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com (Geoffrey Hawkes)
Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2019 23:15:12 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] ISS spotting
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What I don?t understand is how it manages to circle the earth in 100 minutes when I seem to remember it took two or three minutes to do the arc above me? I?ve only seen it once and that was several years ago and must look out for it again to see if I got that right.
I have the ISS app that plots it?s trajectory and it?s currently in the South Pacific heading north east having just gone over New Zealand and earlier passed over the south west tip of Portugal. How close does it have to come to the UK for it to be visible here?
Puzzled,
Geoff
Sent from my iPhone

> On 29 Mar 2019, at 13:41, vernon.dyer via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> 
> No, because the ISS orbits the earth every 100 minutes approximately, so both times are correct.
> 
> 
> Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.
> -------- Original message --------
> From: terrymeadowcroft via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> Date: 29/03/2019 12:30 (GMT+00:00)
> To: bernard.newnham at ntlworld.com
> Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> Subject: Re: [Tech1] ISS e-mails
> 
> Hello Bernard,
>  
> I got 2 Spot the station emails this morning; first one said 7:07 for 6 minutes, second said 8:42 for 3 minutes. I guess the second one corrects the first?!
>  
> Terry (Meadowcroft)
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Bernard Newnham via Tech1
> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> Cc: Bernard Newnham
> Sent: Friday, March 29, 2019 9:30 AM
> Subject: Re: [Tech1] ISS e-mails
> 
> The ISS orbit is inclined at 51 degrees to the equator - apparently a compromise to do with the latitudes of Baikonur and Canaveral, where supplies are lifted from. It just goes round and round in its orbit, that's all.  Meanwhile the earth turns under it , and when it gets back to a particular point in the orbit every 90 minutes or so, a different place is under it. Like the stars, it's impossible to see in daylight, but when the sun is shining on it and not you it's a pretty bright object moving at a fair clip across the sky.
> 
> Next chance to see, here in Woking, is tonight at 1906  till 1912, going right overhead, so should be easy to spot in a clear sky. There's an app for that, called ISS Detector.
> 
> B
> 
>  
> 
>> On 28/03/2019 20:19, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 wrote:
>> Since it doesn?t appear at the same time every day, is it pre-programmed to follow different paths and orbits, or is it manoeuvred by the crew?  Some days it doesn?t appear at all, so you don?t get an e. How is it worked out when our planet is spinning and tilting on its axis, as well as moving in a non-circular orbit round the sun?
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From mail at terrymeadowcroft.co.uk  Sat Mar 30 02:24:51 2019
From: mail at terrymeadowcroft.co.uk (terrymeadowcroft)
Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2019 07:24:51 -0000
Subject: [Tech1] ISS spotting
References: <7c3otut7ygeps2almrchloy6.1553866875542@email.android.com>
	<70BC3818-A640-496A-9BB3-D85C3EAD1D55@gmail.com>
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Magic!
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Geoffrey Hawkes via Tech1 
  To: vernon.dyer ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk 
  Sent: Friday, March 29, 2019 11:15 PM
  Subject: Re: [Tech1] ISS spotting


  What I don?t understand is how it manages to circle the earth in 100 minutes when I seem to remember it took two or three minutes to do the arc above me? I?ve only seen it once and that was several years ago and must look out for it again to see if I got that right.
  I have the ISS app that plots it?s trajectory and it?s currently in the South Pacific heading north east having just gone over New Zealand and earlier passed over the south west tip of Portugal. How close does it have to come to the UK for it to be visible here?
  Puzzled,

  Geoff
  Sent from my iPhone

  On 29 Mar 2019, at 13:41, vernon.dyer via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:




    No, because the ISS orbits the earth every 100 minutes approximately, so both times are correct.




    Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.
    -------- Original message --------
    From: terrymeadowcroft via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> 
    Date: 29/03/2019 12:30 (GMT+00:00) 
    To: bernard.newnham at ntlworld.com 
    Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk 
    Subject: Re: [Tech1] ISS e-mails 


    Hello Bernard,

    I got 2 Spot the station emails this morning; first one said 7:07 for 6 minutes, second said 8:42 for 3 minutes. I guess the second one corrects the first?!

    Terry (Meadowcroft)
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: Bernard Newnham via Tech1 
      To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk 
      Cc: Bernard Newnham 
      Sent: Friday, March 29, 2019 9:30 AM
      Subject: Re: [Tech1] ISS e-mails


      The ISS orbit is inclined at 51 degrees to the equator - apparently a compromise to do with the latitudes of Baikonur and Canaveral, where supplies are lifted from. It just goes round and round in its orbit, that's all.  Meanwhile the earth turns under it , and when it gets back to a particular point in the orbit every 90 minutes or so, a different place is under it. Like the stars, it's impossible to see in daylight, but when the sun is shining on it and not you it's a pretty bright object moving at a fair clip across the sky.

      Next chance to see, here in Woking, is tonight at 1906  till 1912, going right overhead, so should be easy to spot in a clear sky. There's an app for that, called ISS Detector.

      B

       


      On 28/03/2019 20:19, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 wrote:

Since it doesn?t appear at the same time every day, is it pre-programmed to follow different paths and orbits, or is it manoeuvred by the crew?  Some days it doesn?t appear at all, so you don?t get an e. How is it worked out when our planet is spinning and tilting on its axis, as well as moving in a non-circular orbit round the sun?



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From alanaudio at me.com  Sat Mar 30 02:50:54 2019
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2019 07:50:54 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] ISS spotting
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On 29 Mar 2019, at 29 Mar . 23:15, Geoffrey Hawkes via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

> What I don?t understand is how it manages to circle the earth in 100 minutes when I seem to remember it took two or three minutes to do the arc above me? 


That's because it really is rocket science.
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From alawrance1 at me.com  Sat Mar 30 03:06:56 2019
From: alawrance1 at me.com (Alasdair Lawrance)
Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2019 08:06:56 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] ISS spotting
In-Reply-To: <9E3ABF3020B246C982CDB0C87109A7D1@MEDDIES2012>
References: <7c3otut7ygeps2almrchloy6.1553866875542@email.android.com>
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According to the Caltech website, it?s travelling at approx. 17,150 mph.  I?m trying to find the length and average height above the earth of the ISS orbit.

Next question, what powers it to travel at such a speed? Just earth?s gravity?

Sent from my iPad Pro.

> On 30 Mar 2019, at 07:24, terrymeadowcroft via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Magic!
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Geoffrey Hawkes via Tech1
> To: vernon.dyer ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> Sent: Friday, March 29, 2019 11:15 PM
> Subject: Re: [Tech1] ISS spotting
> 
> What I don?t understand is how it manages to circle the earth in 100 minutes when I seem to remember it took two or three minutes to do the arc above me? I?ve only seen it once and that was several years ago and must look out for it again to see if I got that right.
> I have the ISS app that plots it?s trajectory and it?s currently in the South Pacific heading north east having just gone over New Zealand and earlier passed over the south west tip of Portugal. How close does it have to come to the UK for it to be visible here?
> Puzzled,
> Geoff
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 29 Mar 2019, at 13:41, vernon.dyer via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> No, because the ISS orbits the earth every 100 minutes approximately, so both times are correct.
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.
>> -------- Original message --------
>> From: terrymeadowcroft via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
>> Date: 29/03/2019 12:30 (GMT+00:00)
>> To: bernard.newnham at ntlworld.com
>> Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] ISS e-mails
>> 
>> Hello Bernard,
>>  
>> I got 2 Spot the station emails this morning; first one said 7:07 for 6 minutes, second said 8:42 for 3 minutes. I guess the second one corrects the first?!
>>  
>> Terry (Meadowcroft)
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Bernard Newnham via Tech1
>> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>> Cc: Bernard Newnham
>> Sent: Friday, March 29, 2019 9:30 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] ISS e-mails
>> 
>> The ISS orbit is inclined at 51 degrees to the equator - apparently a compromise to do with the latitudes of Baikonur and Canaveral, where supplies are lifted from. It just goes round and round in its orbit, that's all.  Meanwhile the earth turns under it , and when it gets back to a particular point in the orbit every 90 minutes or so, a different place is under it. Like the stars, it's impossible to see in daylight, but when the sun is shining on it and not you it's a pretty bright object moving at a fair clip across the sky.
>> 
>> Next chance to see, here in Woking, is tonight at 1906  till 1912, going right overhead, so should be easy to spot in a clear sky. There's an app for that, called ISS Detector.
>> 
>> B
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>> On 28/03/2019 20:19, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 wrote:
>>> Since it doesn?t appear at the same time every day, is it pre-programmed to follow different paths and orbits, or is it manoeuvred by the crew?  Some days it doesn?t appear at all, so you don?t get an e. How is it worked out when our planet is spinning and tilting on its axis, as well as moving in a non-circular orbit round the sun?
>> 
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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Sat Mar 30 03:52:57 2019
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2019 08:52:57 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] ISS spotting
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Nothing powers it,? it's in orbit, though it has to have a bit of a push 
from time to time to counter atmospheric drag or whatever.

https://www.nasa.gov/audience/forstudents/5-8/features/nasa-knows/what-is-orbit-58.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Space_Station

Play orbiting for yourself for free - http://orbit.medphys.ucl.ac.uk/

The ISS Detector app tell you when it will pass overhead, but it also 
tells you when it will pass low on the horizon, so if you see one of 
those forecasted you can look at the orbit track and see where it is 
passing overhead.? Or you can do lots of maths based on it's orbit 
altitude of 250 miles.

B



On 30/03/2019 08:06, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 wrote:
> According to the Caltech website, it?s travelling at approx. 17,150 
> mph. ?I?m trying to find the length and average height above the earth 
> of the ISS orbit.
>
> Next question, what powers it to travel at such a speed? Just earth?s 
> gravity?
>
> Sent from my iPad Pro.
>
> On 30 Mar 2019, at 07:24, terrymeadowcroft via Tech1 
> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:
>
>> Magic!
>>
>>     ----- Original Message -----
>>     *From:* Geoffrey Hawkes via Tech1 <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
>>     *To:* vernon.dyer <mailto:vernon.dyer at btinternet.com> ;
>>     tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
>>     *Sent:* Friday, March 29, 2019 11:15 PM
>>     *Subject:* Re: [Tech1] ISS spotting
>>
>>     What I don?t understand is how it manages to circle the earth in
>>     100 minutes when I seem to remember it took two or three minutes
>>     to do the arc above me? I?ve only seen it once and that was
>>     several years ago and must look out for it again to see if I got
>>     that right.
>>     I have the ISS app that plots it?s trajectory and it?s currently
>>     in the South Pacific heading north east having just gone over New
>>     Zealand and earlier passed over the south west tip of Portugal.
>>     How close does it have to come to the UK for it to be visible here?
>>     Puzzled,
>>     Geoff
>>     Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>     On 29 Mar 2019, at 13:41, vernon.dyer via Tech1
>>     <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>     No, because the ISS orbits the earth every 100 minutes
>>>     approximately, so both times are correct.
>>>
>>>
>>>     Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.
>>>     -------- Original message --------
>>>     From: terrymeadowcroft via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>>>     <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>>
>>>     Date: 29/03/2019 12:30 (GMT+00:00)
>>>     To: bernard.newnham at ntlworld.com
>>>     <mailto:bernard.newnham at ntlworld.com>
>>>     Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
>>>     Subject: Re: [Tech1] ISS e-mails
>>>
>>>     Hello Bernard,
>>>     I got 2 Spot the station emails this morning; first one said
>>>     7:07 for 6 minutes, second said 8:42 for 3 minutes. I guess the
>>>     second one corrects the first?!
>>>     Terry (Meadowcroft)
>>>
>>>         ----- Original Message -----
>>>         *From:* Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
>>>         *To:* tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
>>>         *Cc:* Bernard Newnham <mailto:bernie833 at gmail.com>
>>>         *Sent:* Friday, March 29, 2019 9:30 AM
>>>         *Subject:* Re: [Tech1] ISS e-mails
>>>
>>>         The ISS orbit is inclined at 51 degrees to the equator -
>>>         apparently a compromise to do with the latitudes of Baikonur
>>>         and Canaveral, where supplies are lifted from. It just goes
>>>         round and round in its orbit, that's all.? Meanwhile the
>>>         earth turns under it , and when it gets back to a particular
>>>         point in the orbit every 90 minutes or so, a different place
>>>         is under it. Like the stars, it's impossible to see in
>>>         daylight, but when the sun is shining on it and not you it's
>>>         a pretty bright object moving at a fair clip across the sky.
>>>
>>>         Next chance to see, here in Woking, is tonight at 1906? till
>>>         1912, going right overhead, so should be easy to spot in a
>>>         clear sky. There's an app for that, called ISS Detector.
>>>
>>>         B
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>         On 28/03/2019 20:19, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 wrote:
>>>>         Since it doesn?t appear at the same time every day, is it pre-programmed to follow different paths and orbits, or is it manoeuvred by the crew?  Some days it doesn?t appear at all, so you don?t get an e. How is it worked out when our planet is spinning and tilting on its axis, as well as moving in a non-circular orbit round the sun?
>>>
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From rogerbunce at btinternet.com  Sat Mar 30 03:51:38 2019
From: rogerbunce at btinternet.com (ROGER BUNCE)
Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2019 08:51:38 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tech1] ISS spotting
In-Reply-To: <70BC3818-A640-496A-9BB3-D85C3EAD1D55@gmail.com>
References: <7c3otut7ygeps2almrchloy6.1553866875542@email.android.com>
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 I actually went out to see it last night. I was looking to the horizon, not sure which direction it would be coming from. Having seen one light, which turned out to be a plane, then another, and another, I found myself staring at one light which hardly seem to move, before deciding that it wasn't moving. It wasn't far from where the sun goes down, so it was probably the Evening Star. (Anyone know if Venus is in Evening Star or Morning Star mode at present?) I was about to give up when I happened to look straight up (a direction I hadn't tried) and there it was, dead overhead. Much brighter than planes or stars, moving slower than the planes, but much faster than Venus, and even with my dodgy eyesight I could make out a rectangular shape.
Dear Geoff. If you're coming to the next Disorganised, bring a pencil and paper, and I'll draw you a diagram. Then Bernie will draw a better diagram, and tell you what I've got wrong, then everyone else will join it. But I think it would be easier to explain as a diagram than in words.
luv, Rog.

    On Friday, 29 March 2019, 23:15:38 GMT, Geoffrey Hawkes via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:  
 
 What I don?t understand is how it manages to circle the earth in 100 minutes when I seem to remember it took two or three minutes to do the arc above me? I?ve only seen it once and that was several years ago and must look out for it again to see if I got that right.I have the ISS app that plots it?s trajectory and it?s currently in the South Pacific heading north east having just gone over New Zealand and earlier passed over the south west tip of Portugal. How close does it have to come to the UK for it to be visible here?
Puzzled,
GeoffSent from my iPhone
On 29 Mar 2019, at 13:41, vernon.dyer via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:




No, because the ISS orbits the earth every 100 minutes approximately, so both times are correct.

Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.-------- Original message --------From: terrymeadowcroft via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> Date: 29/03/2019 12:30 (GMT+00:00) To: bernard.newnham at ntlworld.com Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] ISS e-mails 
Hello Bernard,?I got 2 Spot the station emails this morning; first one said 7:07 for 6 minutes, second said 8:42 for 3 minutes. I guess the second one corrects the first?!?Terry (Meadowcroft)
 ----- Original Message -----  From: Bernard Newnham via Tech1  To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk  Cc: Bernard Newnham  Sent: Friday, March 29, 2019 9:30 AM Subject: Re: [Tech1] ISS e-mails 
The ISS orbit is inclined at 51 degrees to the equator - apparently a compromise to do with the latitudes of Baikonur and Canaveral, where supplies are lifted from. It just goes round and round in its orbit, that's all.? Meanwhile the earth turns under it , and when it gets back to a particular point in the orbit every 90 minutes or so, a different place is under it. Like the stars, it's impossible to see in daylight, but when the sun is shining on it and not you it's a pretty bright object moving at a fair clip across the sky.

Next chance to see, here in Woking, is tonight at 1906? till 1912, going right overhead, so should be easy to spot in a clear sky. There's an app for that, called ISS Detector.

B

?

 On 28/03/2019 20:19, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 wrote:
 
Since it doesn?t appear at the same time every day, is it pre-programmed to follow different paths and orbits, or is it manoeuvred by the crew?  Some days it doesn?t appear at all, so you don?t get an e. How is it worked out when our planet is spinning and tilting on its axis, as well as moving in a non-circular orbit round the sun?

 
 
 

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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Sat Mar 30 03:55:13 2019
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2019 08:55:13 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] ISS spotting
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Nothing powers it,? it's in orbit, though it has to have a bit of a push 
from time to time to counter atmospheric drag or whatever.

https://www.nasa.gov/audience/forstudents/5-8/features/nasa-knows/what-is-orbit-58.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Space_Station

Play orbiting for yourself for free - http://orbit.medphys.ucl.ac.uk/

The ISS Detector app tell you when it will pass overhead, but it also 
tells you when it will pass low on the horizon, so if you see one of 
those forecasted you can look at the orbit track and see where it is 
passing overhead.? Or you can do lots of maths based on it's orbit 
altitude of 250 miles.

B



On 30/03/2019 08:06, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 wrote:
> According to the Caltech website, it?s travelling at approx. 17,150 
> mph. ?I?m trying to find the length and average height above the earth 
> of the ISS orbit.
>
> Next question, what powers it to travel at such a speed? Just earth?s 
> gravity?
>
> Sent from my iPad Pro.
>
> On 30 Mar 2019, at 07:24, terrymeadowcroft via Tech1 
> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:
>
>> Magic!
>>
>>     ----- Original Message -----
>>     *From:* Geoffrey Hawkes via Tech1 <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
>>     *To:* vernon.dyer <mailto:vernon.dyer at btinternet.com> ;
>>     tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
>>     *Sent:* Friday, March 29, 2019 11:15 PM
>>     *Subject:* Re: [Tech1] ISS spotting
>>
>>     What I don?t understand is how it manages to circle the earth in
>>     100 minutes when I seem to remember it took two or three minutes
>>     to do the arc above me? I?ve only seen it once and that was
>>     several years ago and must look out for it again to see if I got
>>     that right.
>>     I have the ISS app that plots it?s trajectory and it?s currently
>>     in the South Pacific heading north east having just gone over New
>>     Zealand and earlier passed over the south west tip of Portugal.
>>     How close does it have to come to the UK for it to be visible here?
>>     Puzzled,
>>     Geoff
>>     Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>     On 29 Mar 2019, at 13:41, vernon.dyer via Tech1
>>     <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>     No, because the ISS orbits the earth every 100 minutes
>>>     approximately, so both times are correct.
>>>
>>>
>>>     Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.
>>>     -------- Original message --------
>>>     From: terrymeadowcroft via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>>>     <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>>
>>>     Date: 29/03/2019 12:30 (GMT+00:00)
>>>     To: bernard.newnham at ntlworld.com
>>>     <mailto:bernard.newnham at ntlworld.com>
>>>     Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
>>>     Subject: Re: [Tech1] ISS e-mails
>>>
>>>     Hello Bernard,
>>>     I got 2 Spot the station emails this morning; first one said
>>>     7:07 for 6 minutes, second said 8:42 for 3 minutes. I guess the
>>>     second one corrects the first?!
>>>     Terry (Meadowcroft)
>>>
>>>         ----- Original Message -----
>>>         *From:* Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
>>>         *To:* tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
>>>         *Cc:* Bernard Newnham <mailto:bernie833 at gmail.com>
>>>         *Sent:* Friday, March 29, 2019 9:30 AM
>>>         *Subject:* Re: [Tech1] ISS e-mails
>>>
>>>         The ISS orbit is inclined at 51 degrees to the equator -
>>>         apparently a compromise to do with the latitudes of Baikonur
>>>         and Canaveral, where supplies are lifted from. It just goes
>>>         round and round in its orbit, that's all.? Meanwhile the
>>>         earth turns under it , and when it gets back to a particular
>>>         point in the orbit every 90 minutes or so, a different place
>>>         is under it. Like the stars, it's impossible to see in
>>>         daylight, but when the sun is shining on it and not you it's
>>>         a pretty bright object moving at a fair clip across the sky.
>>>
>>>         Next chance to see, here in Woking, is tonight at 1906? till
>>>         1912, going right overhead, so should be easy to spot in a
>>>         clear sky. There's an app for that, called ISS Detector.
>>>
>>>         B
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>         On 28/03/2019 20:19, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 wrote:
>>>>         Since it doesn?t appear at the same time every day, is it pre-programmed to follow different paths and orbits, or is it manoeuvred by the crew?  Some days it doesn?t appear at all, so you don?t get an e. How is it worked out when our planet is spinning and tilting on its axis, as well as moving in a non-circular orbit round the sun?
>>>
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From graeme.wall at icloud.com  Sat Mar 30 04:10:25 2019
From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall)
Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2019 09:10:25 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] ISS spotting
In-Reply-To: <5E885041-EA61-4A1A-A55B-00AB20DD01C5@me.com>
References: <7c3otut7ygeps2almrchloy6.1553866875542@email.android.com>
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It is falling, but fast enough that it misses the Earth and goes round it. Just like the moon.
? 
Graeme Wall


> On 30 Mar 2019, at 08:06, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> According to the Caltech website, it?s travelling at approx. 17,150 mph.  I?m trying to find the length and average height above the earth of the ISS orbit.
> 
> Next question, what powers it to travel at such a speed? Just earth?s gravity?
> 
> Sent from my iPad Pro.
> 
> On 30 Mar 2019, at 07:24, terrymeadowcroft via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
>> Magic!
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Geoffrey Hawkes via Tech1
>> To: vernon.dyer ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>> Sent: Friday, March 29, 2019 11:15 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] ISS spotting
>> 
>> What I don?t understand is how it manages to circle the earth in 100 minutes when I seem to remember it took two or three minutes to do the arc above me? I?ve only seen it once and that was several years ago and must look out for it again to see if I got that right.
>> I have the ISS app that plots it?s trajectory and it?s currently in the South Pacific heading north east having just gone over New Zealand and earlier passed over the south west tip of Portugal. How close does it have to come to the UK for it to be visible here?
>> Puzzled,
>> Geoff
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On 29 Mar 2019, at 13:41, vernon.dyer via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> No, because the ISS orbits the earth every 100 minutes approximately, so both times are correct.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.
>>> -------- Original message --------
>>> From: terrymeadowcroft via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> 
>>> Date: 29/03/2019 12:30 (GMT+00:00)
>>> To: bernard.newnham at ntlworld.com
>>> Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] ISS e-mails
>>> 
>>> Hello Bernard,
>>>  
>>> I got 2 Spot the station emails this morning; first one said 7:07 for 6 minutes, second said 8:42 for 3 minutes. I guess the second one corrects the first?!
>>>  
>>> Terry (Meadowcroft)
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: Bernard Newnham via Tech1
>>> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>>> Cc: Bernard Newnham
>>> Sent: Friday, March 29, 2019 9:30 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] ISS e-mails
>>> 
>>> The ISS orbit is inclined at 51 degrees to the equator - apparently a compromise to do with the latitudes of Baikonur and Canaveral, where supplies are lifted from. It just goes round and round in its orbit, that's all.  Meanwhile the earth turns under it , and when it gets back to a particular point in the orbit every 90 minutes or so, a different place is under it. Like the stars, it's impossible to see in daylight, but when the sun is shining on it and not you it's a pretty bright object moving at a fair clip across the sky.
>>> 
>>> Next chance to see, here in Woking, is tonight at 1906  till 1912, going right overhead, so should be easy to spot in a clear sky. There's an app for that, called ISS Detector.
>>> 
>>> B
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> On 28/03/2019 20:19, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 wrote:
>>>> Since it doesn?t appear at the same time every day, is it pre-programmed to follow different paths and orbits, or is it manoeuvred by the crew?  Some days it doesn?t appear at all, so you don?t get an e. How is it worked out when our planet is spinning and tilting on its axis, as well as moving in a non-circular orbit round the sun?
>>> 
>>> 
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From mail at terrymeadowcroft.co.uk  Sat Mar 30 04:23:46 2019
From: mail at terrymeadowcroft.co.uk (terrymeadowcroft)
Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2019 09:23:46 -0000
Subject: [Tech1] ISS spotting
References: <7c3otut7ygeps2almrchloy6.1553866875542@email.android.com>
	<70BC3818-A640-496A-9BB3-D85C3EAD1D55@gmail.com>
	<9E3ABF3020B246C982CDB0C87109A7D1@MEDDIES2012>
	<5E885041-EA61-4A1A-A55B-00AB20DD01C5@me.com>
Message-ID: <42C967D4393B4557BA1A510DD8DA9D04@MEDDIES2012>

There's more or less nothing to slow it down!

Tonight "Time: Sat Mar 30 7:53 PM, Visible: 4 min, Max Height: 52?, Appears: 18? above WSW, Disappears: 23? above ESE"
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Alasdair Lawrance 
  To: terrymeadowcroft 
  Cc: Geoffrey Hawkes ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk 
  Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2019 8:06 AM
  Subject: Re: [Tech1] ISS spotting


  According to the Caltech website, it?s travelling at approx. 17,150 mph.  I?m trying to find the length and average height above the earth of the ISS orbit.


  Next question, what powers it to travel at such a speed? Just earth?s gravity?


  Sent from my iPad Pro.

  On 30 Mar 2019, at 07:24, terrymeadowcroft via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:


    Magic!
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: Geoffrey Hawkes via Tech1 
      To: vernon.dyer ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk 
      Sent: Friday, March 29, 2019 11:15 PM
      Subject: Re: [Tech1] ISS spotting


      What I don?t understand is how it manages to circle the earth in 100 minutes when I seem to remember it took two or three minutes to do the arc above me? I?ve only seen it once and that was several years ago and must look out for it again to see if I got that right. 
      I have the ISS app that plots it?s trajectory and it?s currently in the South Pacific heading north east having just gone over New Zealand and earlier passed over the south west tip of Portugal. How close does it have to come to the UK for it to be visible here?
      Puzzled,

      Geoff 
      Sent from my iPhone

      On 29 Mar 2019, at 13:41, vernon.dyer via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:




        No, because the ISS orbits the earth every 100 minutes approximately, so both times are correct.




        Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.
        -------- Original message --------
        From: terrymeadowcroft via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> 
        Date: 29/03/2019 12:30 (GMT+00:00) 
        To: bernard.newnham at ntlworld.com 
        Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk 
        Subject: Re: [Tech1] ISS e-mails 


        Hello Bernard,

        I got 2 Spot the station emails this morning; first one said 7:07 for 6 minutes, second said 8:42 for 3 minutes. I guess the second one corrects the first?!

        Terry (Meadowcroft)
          ----- Original Message ----- 
          From: Bernard Newnham via Tech1 
          To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk 
          Cc: Bernard Newnham 
          Sent: Friday, March 29, 2019 9:30 AM
          Subject: Re: [Tech1] ISS e-mails


          The ISS orbit is inclined at 51 degrees to the equator - apparently a compromise to do with the latitudes of Baikonur and Canaveral, where supplies are lifted from. It just goes round and round in its orbit, that's all.  Meanwhile the earth turns under it , and when it gets back to a particular point in the orbit every 90 minutes or so, a different place is under it. Like the stars, it's impossible to see in daylight, but when the sun is shining on it and not you it's a pretty bright object moving at a fair clip across the sky.

          Next chance to see, here in Woking, is tonight at 1906  till 1912, going right overhead, so should be easy to spot in a clear sky. There's an app for that, called ISS Detector.

          B

           


          On 28/03/2019 20:19, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 wrote:

Since it doesn?t appear at the same time every day, is it pre-programmed to follow different paths and orbits, or is it manoeuvred by the crew?  Some days it doesn?t appear at all, so you don?t get an e. How is it worked out when our planet is spinning and tilting on its axis, as well as moving in a non-circular orbit round the sun?



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From mail at terrymeadowcroft.co.uk  Sat Mar 30 04:26:29 2019
From: mail at terrymeadowcroft.co.uk (terrymeadowcroft)
Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2019 09:26:29 -0000
Subject: [Tech1] ISS spotting
References: <7c3otut7ygeps2almrchloy6.1553866875542@email.android.com><70BC3818-A640-496A-9BB3-D85C3EAD1D55@gmail.com><9E3ABF3020B246C982CDB0C87109A7D1@MEDDIES2012><5E885041-EA61-4A1A-A55B-00AB20DD01C5@me.com>
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It's nice and bright, and clearly moving - not difficult to see. It's amazing how quickly disappears when it loses the sun.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Bernard Newnham via Tech1 
  To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk 
  Cc: Bernard Newnham 
  Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2019 8:52 AM
  Subject: Re: [Tech1] ISS spotting


  Nothing powers it,  it's in orbit, though it has to have a bit of a push from time to time to counter atmospheric drag or whatever.

  https://www.nasa.gov/audience/forstudents/5-8/features/nasa-knows/what-is-orbit-58.html

  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Space_Station

  Play orbiting for yourself for free - http://orbit.medphys.ucl.ac.uk/

  The ISS Detector app tell you when it will pass overhead, but it also tells you when it will pass low on the horizon, so if you see one of those forecasted you can look at the orbit track and see where it is passing overhead.  Or you can do lots of maths based on it's orbit altitude of 250 miles.

  B




  On 30/03/2019 08:06, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 wrote:

    According to the Caltech website, it?s travelling at approx. 17,150 mph.  I?m trying to find the length and average height above the earth of the ISS orbit. 


    Next question, what powers it to travel at such a speed? Just earth?s gravity?


    Sent from my iPad Pro.

    On 30 Mar 2019, at 07:24, terrymeadowcroft via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:


      Magic!
        ----- Original Message ----- 
        From: Geoffrey Hawkes via Tech1 
        To: vernon.dyer ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk 
        Sent: Friday, March 29, 2019 11:15 PM
        Subject: Re: [Tech1] ISS spotting


        What I don?t understand is how it manages to circle the earth in 100 minutes when I seem to remember it took two or three minutes to do the arc above me? I?ve only seen it once and that was several years ago and must look out for it again to see if I got that right. 
        I have the ISS app that plots it?s trajectory and it?s currently in the South Pacific heading north east having just gone over New Zealand and earlier passed over the south west tip of Portugal. How close does it have to come to the UK for it to be visible here?
        Puzzled,

        Geoff 
        Sent from my iPhone

        On 29 Mar 2019, at 13:41, vernon.dyer via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:




          No, because the ISS orbits the earth every 100 minutes approximately, so both times are correct.




          Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.
          -------- Original message --------
          From: terrymeadowcroft via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> 
          Date: 29/03/2019 12:30 (GMT+00:00) 
          To: bernard.newnham at ntlworld.com 
          Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk 
          Subject: Re: [Tech1] ISS e-mails 


          Hello Bernard,

          I got 2 Spot the station emails this morning; first one said 7:07 for 6 minutes, second said 8:42 for 3 minutes. I guess the second one corrects the first?!

          Terry (Meadowcroft)
            ----- Original Message ----- 
            From: Bernard Newnham via Tech1 
            To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk 
            Cc: Bernard Newnham 
            Sent: Friday, March 29, 2019 9:30 AM
            Subject: Re: [Tech1] ISS e-mails


            The ISS orbit is inclined at 51 degrees to the equator - apparently a compromise to do with the latitudes of Baikonur and Canaveral, where supplies are lifted from. It just goes round and round in its orbit, that's all.  Meanwhile the earth turns under it , and when it gets back to a particular point in the orbit every 90 minutes or so, a different place is under it. Like the stars, it's impossible to see in daylight, but when the sun is shining on it and not you it's a pretty bright object moving at a fair clip across the sky.

            Next chance to see, here in Woking, is tonight at 1906  till 1912, going right overhead, so should be easy to spot in a clear sky. There's an app for that, called ISS Detector.

            B

             


            On 28/03/2019 20:19, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 wrote:

Since it doesn?t appear at the same time every day, is it pre-programmed to follow different paths and orbits, or is it manoeuvred by the crew?  Some days it doesn?t appear at all, so you don?t get an e. How is it worked out when our planet is spinning and tilting on its axis, as well as moving in a non-circular orbit round the sun?

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From rogerbunce at btinternet.com  Sat Mar 30 04:27:04 2019
From: rogerbunce at btinternet.com (ROGER BUNCE)
Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2019 09:27:04 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tech1] ISS spotting
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 The only thing that powers it, Alasdair, in the oomph it got from the stonking great rocket which blasted it into orbit in the first place. Once you've got something moving at 17,150 mph, it'll carry on indefinitely, without any extra power, unless it crashes into something. (Is that Newton's First or Second Law of Motion?) Anyone who has managed to get a camera ped moving at high speed will know that keeping it going doesn't require much effort. The hard bit is stopping it! The Earth's gravity acts to bend its trajectory into a circle (or near circular eclipse), otherwise it would fly off in a straight line, but it doesn't provide power.
Now, is anyone going to ask the classic question - Why do astronauts, inside the space station, experience zero gravity, even though the station is still well within the gravitational field of the Earth? See me at the next disorganised, with pencil, paper and a drink, and I will explain.
luv, Rog.?

    On Saturday, 30 March 2019, 08:07:26 GMT, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:  
 
 According to the Caltech website, it?s travelling at approx. 17,150 mph. ?I?m trying to find the length and average height above the earth of the ISS orbit.
Next question, what powers it to travel at such a speed? Just earth?s gravity?

Sent from my iPad Pro.
On 30 Mar 2019, at 07:24, terrymeadowcroft via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:



Magic!
 ----- Original Message -----  From: Geoffrey Hawkes via Tech1  To: vernon.dyer ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk  Sent: Friday, March 29, 2019 11:15 PM Subject: Re: [Tech1] ISS spotting 
What I don?t understand is how it manages to circle the earth in 100 minutes when I seem to remember it took two or three minutes to do the arc above me? I?ve only seen it once and that was several years ago and must look out for it again to see if I got that right. I have the ISS app that plots it?s trajectory and it?s currently in the South Pacific heading north east having just gone over New Zealand and earlier passed over the south west tip of Portugal. How close does it have to come to the UK for it to be visible here?
Puzzled,
 Geoff Sent from my iPhone 
On 29 Mar 2019, at 13:41, vernon.dyer via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

 
  
 No, because the ISS orbits the earth every 100 minutes approximately, so both times are correct. 
 
  Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.  -------- Original message -------- From: terrymeadowcroft via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>  Date: 29/03/2019 12:30 (GMT+00:00)  To: bernard.newnham at ntlworld.com  Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk  Subject: Re: [Tech1] ISS e-mails  
 Hello Bernard, ? I got 2 Spot the station emails this morning; first one said 7:07 for 6 minutes, second said 8:42 for 3 minutes. I guess the second one corrects the first?! ? Terry (Meadowcroft) 
 ----- Original Message -----  From: Bernard Newnham via Tech1  To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk  Cc: Bernard Newnham  Sent: Friday, March 29, 2019 9:30 AM Subject: Re: [Tech1] ISS e-mails 
The ISS orbit is inclined at 51 degrees to the equator - apparently a compromise to do with the latitudes of Baikonur and Canaveral, where supplies are lifted from. It just goes round and round in its orbit, that's all.? Meanwhile the earth turns under it , and when it gets back to a particular point in the orbit every 90 minutes or so, a different place is under it. Like the stars, it's impossible to see in daylight, but when the sun is shining on it and not you it's a pretty bright object moving at a fair clip across the sky.

Next chance to see, here in Woking, is tonight at 1906? till 1912, going right overhead, so should be easy to spot in a clear sky. There's an app for that, called ISS Detector.

B

?

 On 28/03/2019 20:19, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 wrote:
 
Since it doesn?t appear at the same time every day, is it pre-programmed to follow different paths and orbits, or is it manoeuvred by the crew?  Some days it doesn?t appear at all, so you don?t get an e. How is it worked out when our planet is spinning and tilting on its axis, as well as moving in a non-circular orbit round the sun?

 

  

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From keithwicksuk at gmail.com  Sat Mar 30 07:14:15 2019
From: keithwicksuk at gmail.com (Keith Wicks)
Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2019 12:14:15 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] ISS spotting
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The altitude of a body in orbit is related to its speed. A speed of just
over 17.000 mph in earth orbit corresponds to an altitude of about 124
miles. More at:

https://science.howstuffworks.com/satellite6.htm

But try the following if you need the more difficult stuff:

https://www.physicsclassroom.com/class/circles/Lesson-4/Mathematics-of-Satellite-Motion

KW

On Sat, 30 Mar 2019 at 09:10, Graeme Wall via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
wrote:

> It is falling, but fast enough that it misses the Earth and goes round it.
> Just like the moon.
> ?
> Graeme Wall
>
>
> > On 30 Mar 2019, at 08:06, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 <
> tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> > According to the Caltech website, it?s travelling at approx. 17,150
> mph.  I?m trying to find the length and average height above the earth of
> the ISS orbit.
> >
> > Next question, what powers it to travel at such a speed? Just earth?s
> gravity?
> >
> > Sent from my iPad Pro.
> >
> > On 30 Mar 2019, at 07:24, terrymeadowcroft via Tech1 <
> tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> >> Magic!
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: Geoffrey Hawkes via Tech1
> >> To: vernon.dyer ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> >> Sent: Friday, March 29, 2019 11:15 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [Tech1] ISS spotting
> >>
> >> What I don?t understand is how it manages to circle the earth in 100
> minutes when I seem to remember it took two or three minutes to do the arc
> above me? I?ve only seen it once and that was several years ago and must
> look out for it again to see if I got that right.
> >> I have the ISS app that plots it?s trajectory and it?s currently in the
> South Pacific heading north east having just gone over New Zealand and
> earlier passed over the south west tip of Portugal. How close does it have
> to come to the UK for it to be visible here?
> >> Puzzled,
> >> Geoff
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >> On 29 Mar 2019, at 13:41, vernon.dyer via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>> No, because the ISS orbits the earth every 100 minutes approximately,
> so both times are correct.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.
> >>> -------- Original message --------
> >>> From: terrymeadowcroft via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> >>> Date: 29/03/2019 12:30 (GMT+00:00)
> >>> To: bernard.newnham at ntlworld.com
> >>> Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> >>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] ISS e-mails
> >>>
> >>> Hello Bernard,
> >>>
> >>> I got 2 Spot the station emails this morning; first one said 7:07 for
> 6 minutes, second said 8:42 for 3 minutes. I guess the second one corrects
> the first?!
> >>>
> >>> Terry (Meadowcroft)
> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> From: Bernard Newnham via Tech1
> >>> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> >>> Cc: Bernard Newnham
> >>> Sent: Friday, March 29, 2019 9:30 AM
> >>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] ISS e-mails
> >>>
> >>> The ISS orbit is inclined at 51 degrees to the equator - apparently a
> compromise to do with the latitudes of Baikonur and Canaveral, where
> supplies are lifted from. It just goes round and round in its orbit, that's
> all.  Meanwhile the earth turns under it , and when it gets back to a
> particular point in the orbit every 90 minutes or so, a different place is
> under it. Like the stars, it's impossible to see in daylight, but when the
> sun is shining on it and not you it's a pretty bright object moving at a
> fair clip across the sky.
> >>>
> >>> Next chance to see, here in Woking, is tonight at 1906  till 1912,
> going right overhead, so should be easy to spot in a clear sky. There's an
> app for that, called ISS Detector.
> >>>
> >>> B
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On 28/03/2019 20:19, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 wrote:
> >>>> Since it doesn?t appear at the same time every day, is it
> pre-programmed to follow different paths and orbits, or is it manoeuvred by
> the crew?  Some days it doesn?t appear at all, so you don?t get an e. How
> is it worked out when our planet is spinning and tilting on its axis, as
> well as moving in a non-circular orbit round the sun?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Sun Mar 31 04:23:42 2019
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2019 10:23:42 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] ISS spotting
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Last night on Yesterday Channel @ 10pm, there was a programme about building the ISS, with Major Tim Peake explaining how various problems were overcome.
Might be able to pick it up on some replay facility, perhaps.
Regards
Pat

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Keith Wicks via Tech1
Sent: 30 March 2019 12:14
To: Graeme Wall
Cc: tech1
Subject: Re: [Tech1] ISS spotting

The altitude of a body in orbit is related to its speed. A speed of just over 17.000 mph in earth orbit corresponds to an altitude of about 124 miles. More at:

https://science.howstuffworks.com/satellite6.htm

But try the following if you need the more difficult stuff:

https://www.physicsclassroom.com/class/circles/Lesson-4/Mathematics-of-Satellite-Motion

KW




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From peter.fox at tiscali.co.uk  Sun Mar 31 09:18:38 2019
From: peter.fox at tiscali.co.uk (Peter Fox)
Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2019 15:18:38 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] ISS spotting
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Apparently its orbit varies somewhat around 237.5 miles up so it does wind down over time. It had its initial launch speed (in component form of course) and it is boosted by visiting supply ships and/or on board thrusters back up from 205 to around 270 miles high. in round numbers Earth?s diameter is 7,928 miles
 So you can add 475 miles to that? say 8,403. x 3.141 gives you 26,393.823 
So 26,400 is going to near enough
Peter Fox

> On 30 Mar 2019, at 08:06, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> According to the Caltech website, it?s travelling at approx. 17,150 mph.  I?m trying to find the length and average height above the earth of the ISS orbit.
> 
> Next question, what powers it to travel at such a speed? Just earth?s gravity?
> 
> Sent from my iPad Pro.
> 
>> On 30 Mar 2019, at 07:24, terrymeadowcroft via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> Magic!
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Geoffrey Hawkes via Tech1
>> To: vernon.dyer ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>> Sent: Friday, March 29, 2019 11:15 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] ISS spotting
>> 
>> What I don?t understand is how it manages to circle the earth in 100 minutes when I seem to remember it took two or three minutes to do the arc above me? I?ve only seen it once and that was several years ago and must look out for it again to see if I got that right.
>> I have the ISS app that plots it?s trajectory and it?s currently in the South Pacific heading north east having just gone over New Zealand and earlier passed over the south west tip of Portugal. How close does it have to come to the UK for it to be visible here?
>> Puzzled,
>> Geoff
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On 29 Mar 2019, at 13:41, vernon.dyer via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> No, because the ISS orbits the earth every 100 minutes approximately, so both times are correct.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.
>>> -------- Original message --------
>>> From: terrymeadowcroft via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
>>> Date: 29/03/2019 12:30 (GMT+00:00)
>>> To: bernard.newnham at ntlworld.com
>>> Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] ISS e-mails
>>> 
>>> Hello Bernard,
>>>  
>>> I got 2 Spot the station emails this morning; first one said 7:07 for 6 minutes, second said 8:42 for 3 minutes. I guess the second one corrects the first?!
>>>  
>>> Terry (Meadowcroft)
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: Bernard Newnham via Tech1
>>> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>>> Cc: Bernard Newnham
>>> Sent: Friday, March 29, 2019 9:30 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] ISS e-mails
>>> 
>>> The ISS orbit is inclined at 51 degrees to the equator - apparently a compromise to do with the latitudes of Baikonur and Canaveral, where supplies are lifted from. It just goes round and round in its orbit, that's all.  Meanwhile the earth turns under it , and when it gets back to a particular point in the orbit every 90 minutes or so, a different place is under it. Like the stars, it's impossible to see in daylight, but when the sun is shining on it and not you it's a pretty bright object moving at a fair clip across the sky.
>>> 
>>> Next chance to see, here in Woking, is tonight at 1906  till 1912, going right overhead, so should be easy to spot in a        clear sky. There's an app for that, called ISS Detector.
>>> 
>>> B
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>>> On 28/03/2019 20:19, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 wrote:
>>>> Since it doesn?t appear at the same time every day, is it pre-programmed to follow different paths and orbits, or is it manoeuvred by the crew?  Some days it doesn?t appear at all, so you don?t get an e. How is it worked out when our planet is spinning and tilting on its axis, as well as moving in a non-circular orbit round the sun?
>>> 
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From waresound at msn.com  Sun Mar 31 13:23:14 2019
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2019 18:23:14 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Projectors
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Most if not all video projectors I?ve seen automatically correct for vertical distortion as you tilt them up or down. Even invert if you mount the projector upside down on a ceiling mount.
At an exhibition recently, I saw a whole wall covered with a live exterior panoramic shot of London, and was amazed to see that the single projector was only about a metre from the wall at floor level. Massive correction, and adjustment for brightness from bottom to top, but it looked amazing. Initially, I seriously thought I was looking at a big back projection screen, but no.
And going to another extreme, at a Coldplay concert in the O2, there were huge balloons lowered in at times that had undistorted images of faces, and sometimes video clips, projected vertically downwards from inside the balloons. Some computing to make that work, but it did!
Clever stuff.
Cheers,
Nick.
Sent from my iPad

On 29 Mar 2019, at 10:17, Hugh Sheppard via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk<mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:


Take care over projectors with short throw zooms ; useful at times but a pain with keystone distortion etc. needing versatile, careful correction.  The further away it can go, the better.

Hugh

On 29-Mar-19 9:17 AM, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote:
Getting away from toilet talk - though in passing I would like to recommend the Mira digital shower I bought a few years ago. Excellent!

Does anyone have experience with buying projectors?  I may need to get one as part of my new vocation as a U3A group leader.  It just needs to be a fairly small one, capable of projecting the output of a laptop or a camera onto a screen a couple of meters away.

Any recommendations?

B


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From john at epi-centre.com  Sun Mar 31 13:51:07 2019
From: john at epi-centre.com (John Henshall)
Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2019 19:51:07 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Memory failure
Message-ID: <9DFD412C-82AF-49E5-94B1-163449180941@epi-centre.com>

Sorry this isn?t about toilets but about work at TC ?

My memory is failing.

Please someone tell me the name of the tall handsome young man standing behind me as we (Crew 7) work on ?Count Basie and his Orchestra and Georgie Fame? in TC8 on 18 April 1968. And where is he now?

Very frustrating that I can?t remember. It?s an age thing.

Thanx and regards
John Henshall

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From vernon.dyer at btinternet.com  Sun Mar 31 13:59:38 2019
From: vernon.dyer at btinternet.com (vernon.dyer)
Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2019 19:59:38 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Memory failure
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Is it Les Thorn, John???Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.-------- Original message --------From: John Henshall via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> Date: 31/03/2019  19:51  (GMT+00:00) To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: [Tech1] Memory failure Sorry this isn?t about toilets but about work at TC ?My memory is failing.Please someone tell me the name of the tall handsome young man standing behind me as we (Crew 7) work on ?Count Basie and his Orchestra and Georgie Fame? in TC8 on?18 April 1968. And where is he now?Very frustrating that I can?t remember. It?s an age thing.Thanx and regardsJohn Henshall
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From vernon.dyer at btinternet.com  Sun Mar 31 14:02:56 2019
From: vernon.dyer at btinternet.com (vernon.dyer)
Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2019 20:02:56 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Memory failure
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I saw him very briefly outside Four Millbank doing ENG news once, but that was probably at least 25 years ago - doesn't time fly!Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.-------- Original message --------From: John Henshall via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> Date: 31/03/2019  19:51  (GMT+00:00) To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: [Tech1] Memory failure Sorry this isn?t about toilets but about work at TC ?My memory is failing.Please someone tell me the name of the tall handsome young man standing behind me as we (Crew 7) work on ?Count Basie and his Orchestra and Georgie Fame? in TC8 on?18 April 1968. And where is he now?Very frustrating that I can?t remember. It?s an age thing.Thanx and regardsJohn Henshall
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From peter.fox at tiscali.co.uk  Sun Mar 31 14:10:09 2019
From: peter.fox at tiscali.co.uk (Peter Fox)
Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2019 20:10:09 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] ISS spotting
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So. 26,400 miles circumference at mean orbital height / 17150mph = 1.5393586 hours
And 1.53 etc X 60 to get minutes is 92.361516 ie 92 minutes which is what Caltech.edu say. No American gallons or fluid ounces to mess that up then, unlike the odd Mars Lander.
The clever bit would be working out how fast it?s going or how long it takes to orbit, when it sinks to 205 miles high. Someone else?s problem guv.

Peter Fox

> On 31 Mar 2019, at 15:18, Peter Fox <peter.fox at tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Apparently its orbit varies somewhat around 237.5 miles up so it does wind down over time. It had its initial launch speed (in component form of course) and it is boosted by visiting supply ships and/or on board thrusters back up from 205 to around 270 miles high. in round numbers Earth?s diameter is 7,928 miles
>  So you can add 475 miles to that? say 8,403. x 3.141 gives you 26,393.823 
> So 26,400 is going to near enough
> Peter Fox
> 
>> On 30 Mar 2019, at 08:06, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> According to the Caltech website, it?s travelling at approx. 17,150 mph.  I?m trying to find the length and average height above the earth of the ISS orbit.
>> 
>> Next question, what powers it to travel at such a speed? Just earth?s gravity?
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad Pro.
>> 
>>> On 30 Mar 2019, at 07:24, terrymeadowcroft via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Magic!
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: Geoffrey Hawkes via Tech1
>>> To: vernon.dyer ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>>> Sent: Friday, March 29, 2019 11:15 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] ISS spotting
>>> 
>>> What I don?t understand is how it manages to circle the earth in 100 minutes when I seem to remember it took two or three minutes to do the arc above me? I?ve only seen it once and that was several years ago and must look out for it again to see if I got that right.
>>> I have the ISS app that plots it?s trajectory and it?s currently in the South Pacific heading north east having just gone over New Zealand and earlier passed over the south west tip of Portugal. How close does it have to come to the UK for it to be visible here?
>>> Puzzled,
>>> Geoff
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On 29 Mar 2019, at 13:41, vernon.dyer via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> No, because the ISS orbits the earth every 100 minutes approximately, so both times are correct.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.
>>>> -------- Original message --------
>>>> From: terrymeadowcroft via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
>>>> Date: 29/03/2019 12:30 (GMT+00:00)
>>>> To: bernard.newnham at ntlworld.com
>>>> Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>>>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] ISS e-mails
>>>> 
>>>> Hello Bernard,
>>>>  
>>>> I got 2 Spot the station emails this morning; first one said 7:07 for 6 minutes, second said 8:42 for 3 minutes. I guess the second one corrects the first?!
>>>>  
>>>> Terry (Meadowcroft)
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: Bernard Newnham via Tech1
>>>> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>>>> Cc: Bernard Newnham
>>>> Sent: Friday, March 29, 2019 9:30 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] ISS e-mails
>>>> 
>>>> The ISS orbit is inclined at 51 degrees to the equator - apparently a compromise to do with the latitudes of Baikonur and Canaveral, where supplies are lifted from. It just goes round and round in its orbit, that's all.  Meanwhile the earth turns under it , and when it gets back to a particular point in the orbit every 90 minutes or so, a different place is under it. Like the stars, it's impossible to see in daylight, but when the sun is shining on it and not you it's a pretty bright object moving at a fair clip across the sky.
>>>> 
>>>> Next chance to see, here in Woking, is tonight at 1906  till 1912, going right overhead, so should be easy to spot in a clear sky. There's an app for that, called ISS Detector.
>>>> 
>>>> B
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>>> On 28/03/2019 20:19, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 wrote:
>>>>> Since it doesn?t appear at the same time every day, is it pre-programmed to follow different paths and orbits, or is it manoeuvred by the crew?  Some days it doesn?t appear at all, so you don?t get an e. How is it worked out when our planet is spinning and tilting on its axis, as well as moving in a non-circular orbit round the sun?
>>>> 
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From mikej at bmanor.co.uk  Sun Mar 31 14:18:33 2019
From: mikej at bmanor.co.uk (Mike Jordan)
Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2019 20:18:33 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Projectors
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Shades of London Lumiere back in 2018. Various venues throughout London illuminated ? including amazing changing light patters projected on Westminster Abbey and, in Kings Cross a screen hung from a tall crane and blowing in the wind with pictures projected on it. I talked to the WA engineers and apparently they take a B&W photo of the front, colour it in and use that to make the projectors(s) slides.
Also the whole of Kings Cross Granary Square was bathed in water vapour with moving blue laser beams roaming over it.
Truly amazing and a great use of high power video projectors.
More photos available on request including a huge illuminated sphere hovering over Oxford Circus and Leicester Square full of illuminated items

Mike

From: Nick Ware via Tech1 
Sent: Sunday, March 31, 2019 7:23 PM
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk 
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Projectors

Most if not all video projectors I?ve seen automatically correct for vertical distortion as you tilt them up or down. Even invert if you mount the projector upside down on a ceiling mount.  
At an exhibition recently, I saw a whole wall covered with a live exterior panoramic shot of London, and was amazed to see that the single projector was only about a metre from the wall at floor level. Massive correction, and adjustment for brightness from bottom to top, but it looked amazing. Initially, I seriously thought I was looking at a big back projection screen, but no. 
And going to another extreme, at a Coldplay concert in the O2, there were huge balloons lowered in at times that had undistorted images of faces, and sometimes video clips, projected vertically downwards from inside the balloons. Some computing to make that work, but it did!
Clever stuff.
Cheers,
Nick.

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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Sun Mar 31 14:44:18 2019
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2019 20:44:18 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Memory failure
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It's Les Thorn, who is on this list. Also, on the very right edge, I 
think that's me tracking the Heron beyond the Mole.

B



On 31/03/2019 19:51, John Henshall via Tech1 wrote:
> Sorry this isn?t about toilets but about work at TC ?
>
> My memory is failing.
>
> Please someone tell me the name of the tall handsome young man 
> standing behind me as we (Crew 7) work on ?Count Basie and his 
> Orchestra and Georgie Fame? in TC8 on?18 April 1968. And where is he now?
>
> Very frustrating that I can?t remember. It?s an age thing.
>
> Thanx and regards
> John Henshall
>
>

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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Sun Mar 31 16:12:01 2019
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2019 22:12:01 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Memory failure
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It's Les Thorn, who is on this list. Also, on the very right edge, I 
think that's me tracking the Heron beyond the Mole.

B



On 31/03/2019 19:51, John Henshall via Tech1 wrote:
> Sorry this isn?t about toilets but about work at TC ?
>
> My memory is failing.
>
> Please someone tell me the name of the tall handsome young man 
> standing behind me as we (Crew 7) work on ?Count Basie and his 
> Orchestra and Georgie Fame? in TC8 on?18 April 1968. And where is he now?
>
> Very frustrating that I can?t remember. It?s an age thing.
>
> Thanx and regards
> John Henshall
>
>

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From john at epi-centre.com  Sun Mar 31 16:49:45 2019
From: john at epi-centre.com (John Henshall)
Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2019 22:49:45 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Memory failure
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YES. Of course. Les Thorn. Lovely man (as you all are). C?mon Les, where are you? Flushed out by all the toilet messages? You'll get a credit in my forthcoming book, along with Count Basie.

And, yes, I think that is your unmistakable profile Bernie. There may be more of you on Ron Howard?s neg but this is all there is on the right of the print he gave to me. Mind you, Count Basie himself and his orchestra is over to the left.

Very many thanks
John



Where are you Les?
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> On 31 Mar 2019, at 22:12, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> It's Les Thorn, who is on this list. Also, on the very right edge, I think that's me tracking the Heron beyond the Mole.
> 
> B
> 
> 
> 
> On 31/03/2019 19:51, John Henshall via Tech1 wrote:
>> Sorry this isn?t about toilets but about work at TC ?
>> 
>> My memory is failing.
>> 
>> Please someone tell me the name of the tall handsome young man standing behind me as we (Crew 7) work on ?Count Basie and his Orchestra and Georgie Fame? in TC8 on 18 April 1968. And where is he now?
>> 
>> Very frustrating that I can?t remember. It?s an age thing.
>> 
>> Thanx and regards
>> John Henshall
>> 
>> <680418 Count Basie SECTION.jpg>
>> 
> 
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