From hughsheppard at btinternet.com Mon Jul 1 02:33:22 2019 From: hughsheppard at btinternet.com (Hugh Sheppard) Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2019 08:33:22 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] This time next year... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5db37209-fca8-239d-3402-2280ec754218@btinternet.com> 'Tis time to dig out my photo of the first TC foundation stone, initially located in a subterranean route between the East Tower and the basement level ring corridor, then incorporated into an electrical plant room. This is _NOT _the imposter accessed from main reception... Hugh On 30-Jun-19 2:11 PM, Ian H via Tech1 wrote: > ....will mark 60 years since TVC opened > https://twitter.com/BBCArchive/status/1144893265327509505 > TVC.jpg > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Mind you, once the world is full of electric cars, whatever the chosen sound, the noise in a slow traffic jam would be appalling! John On 30/06/2019 22:14, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 wrote: > I read somewhere that a noise similar to a duck quack was a good, non-aggressive sound for a car horn, and could be used as a warning to pedestrians about an approaching electric car ( perhaps a Toyota Pious), without provoking ?road rage? > > I think it was from a Japanese research body. > > Alasdair Lawrance > > Sent from my iPad Pro. > >> On 30 Jun 2019, at 22:06, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: >> >> Brilliant suggestions, John! I love the idea of the Ferguson tractor for the 'Chelsea Tractors' which are blighting my neighbourhood! Cheers, Dave >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > From barrybonner119 at btinternet.com Mon Jul 1 03:38:57 2019 From: barrybonner119 at btinternet.com (Barry Bonner) Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2019 09:38:57 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] DISORGANISED LUNCH Message-ID: <3D8BF50E-9ED9-4F6C-834C-8072B793A7A0@btinternet.com> Hi All, Just a reminder???????? Yes, it?s that time again! The next Disorganised Lunch will be held from 12:00 this coming Wednesday July 3rd. The ?Coach & Horses? 1 High Rd, Ickenham, Uxbridge. UB10 8LJ Tel: 01895 679335 Ickenham Met and Piccadilly tube station is a 3 minute walk away. Come out of the station, turn left, walk until you meet the main road, turn right and the pub is on your right a short distance away. There is a car park which you pay for but you?ll get your money back at the bar. There?s also a public car park nearby to the right of the pub. Pub opens at 11:30. See you there! Barry. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Mon Jul 1 10:11:06 2019 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2019 16:11:06 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] TFL cycle lanes In-Reply-To: <64f1975b-6c71-a962-d30c-ed05439e5a21@btinternet.com> References: <57cbc519f7dave@davesound.co.uk> <5d17a5d8.1c69fb81.ec3b0.008d@mx.google.com> <64f1975b-6c71-a962-d30c-ed05439e5a21@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <5d1a2289.1c69fb81.8bb8a.997b@mx.google.com> >From my Neighbourhood Watch newsletters, the advice on passing cyclists, is to allow as much room as a car ? hence wide cycle lanes in case they fall over sideways? I gather that one could be apprehended by police if they happen to catch you cutting it too fine! Some years ago, I knew that in Amsterdam, a motorist must not overtake a stationary tram, as they stop in the middle of the street ? so everything comes to a halt. I?ve driven in a number of European cities*, both in my own vehicle (RH drive) and in a rental (LH) and getting acquainted in the local laws took some getting used to. My first visit to the USA ? I was sorting the equipment through Customs while my Mixer went to collect the hire car. He chucked the keys to me ? ?you drive?! It was a huge great Mercury Rambler, and I was terrified of its size, but the Yanks have catered for this with the carriageway width and parking spaces. I had to drive from Orlando to Louisiana on an elevated motorway through the Everglades, but didn?t see much of them! Got used to winding the window down, tuning the radio to a C & W station and hanging my elbow out the window! *In Paris, the Director wanted us to circle the Arc De Triumph several times, with my cameraman handholding out of the roof ? the Police were going spare, at the edge, but couldn?t get to us because of the circulating traffic ? lots of whistleblowing, but ignored by us! Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: dave.mdv Sent: 29 June 2019 19:21 Subject: Re: [Tech1] TFL cycle lanes Doreen and I went up to Waterloo recently to see our step-granddaughter in a college performance near Backfriars. Walking is difficult these days so we took a taxi. The driver complained about all the new cycle lanes because he can't drop disabled passengers near access doors because there is a cycle lane in the way and he will be fined if he goes into it! He said he had had enough and was going back home. The number of road works for all the cycle lanes is ruining driving round London and also in my local town where the cycle lanes are as big as the main carriageway! Cars can't overtake buses anymore so there are constant traffic hold-ups and therefore more pollution! Cheers, Dave --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Mon Jul 1 10:48:49 2019 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2019 16:48:49 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] [SPAM?] Re: Electric Vehicle Noise In-Reply-To: References: <8a764b22-9e3b-cfd3-89d8-a1cd19fa41c0@howell61.f9.co.uk> <7c4d6024-a3a9-292f-67e7-3ceb01f6a891@btinternet.com> <45FE9DB6-AB35-4300-85EB-C2AAE3DB0874@me.com> Message-ID: <5d1a2b61.1c69fb81.211e9.f4fe@mx.google.com> I envisage a set of push buttons, like the zoom settings! Choose a Lamborghini, Maserati, Aston Martin, Harley Davidson?, Ferrari, Mack Truck Air horn or just an historical bulb hooter! Or a voice projection: ?Get out of the ****** way! I heard a story whereby Judi Dench unwisely stepped out in front of a taxi ? the cabbie yelled: ?Watch were you?re going, Bitch!? She retaliated: ? That?s Dame bitch to you!? Best Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: John Nottage via Tech1 Sent: 01 July 2019 08:34 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] [SPAM?] Re: Electric Vehicle Noise I favour a dog sound, barking or growling, depending how slow you're going. People would soon look if they thought a doberman (BMW or Merc?) was threatening them! You could have the right nationality dog to match the make of car. Something yappy like a pekingese for a small Toyota maybe. Mind you, once the world is full of electric cars, whatever the chosen sound, the noise in a slow traffic jam would be appalling! John On 30/06/2019 22:14, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 wrote: > I read somewhere that a noise similar to a duck quack was a good, non-aggressive sound for a car horn, and could be used as a warning to pedestrians about an approaching electric car ( perhaps a Toyota Pious), without provoking ?road rage? > > I think it was from a Japanese research body. > > Alasdair Lawrance > > Sent from my iPad Pro. > >> On 30 Jun 2019, at 22:06, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: >> >> Brilliant suggestions, John! I love the idea of the Ferguson tractor for the 'Chelsea Tractors' which are blighting my neighbourhood! Cheers, Dave >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk Mon Jul 1 11:38:25 2019 From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf) Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2019 17:38:25 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] [SPAM?] Re: Electric Vehicle Noise In-Reply-To: <5d1a2b61.1c69fb81.211e9.f4fe@mx.google.com> References: <8a764b22-9e3b-cfd3-89d8-a1cd19fa41c0@howell61.f9.co.uk> <7c4d6024-a3a9-292f-67e7-3ceb01f6a891@btinternet.com> <45FE9DB6-AB35-4300-85EB-C2AAE3DB0874@me.com> <5d1a2b61.1c69fb81.211e9.f4fe@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <83151927-273c-8812-7151-5ac82e2b3cbe@chriswoolf.co.uk> On 01/07/2019 16:48, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > > I envisage a set of push buttons, like the zoom settings! > > Choose a Lamborghini, Maserati, Aston Martin, Harley Davidson?, > > Ferrari .... > Oh come on guys! This is dreamland. We'll be more in the market for Trabant, 2CV or Moggie 1000. Chris Woolf --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com Mon Jul 1 14:02:45 2019 From: geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com (Geoff Hawkes) Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2019 20:02:45 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] TFL cycle lanes In-Reply-To: <5d1a2289.1c69fb81.8bb8a.997b@mx.google.com> References: <57cbc519f7dave@davesound.co.uk> <5d17a5d8.1c69fb81.ec3b0.008d@mx.google.com> <64f1975b-6c71-a962-d30c-ed05439e5a21@btinternet.com> <5d1a2289.1c69fb81.8bb8a.997b@mx.google.com> Message-ID: As a cyclist I don't appreciate motorists who skim past me at high speed and yell at any who do. The legal minimum I believe is 1.5metres but prefer a car's width as the old guide was. I also don't like it when cyclists ride two abreast on the winding country lanes around here as they make it difficult for motorists to pass safely. If I'm on my bike on a very narrow road, I will pull in when I can to let them pass. It's just good manners and mutual respect as should be the case in life everywhere, Geoff Sent from my iPad > On 1 Jul 2019, at 16:11, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > > From my Neighbourhood Watch newsletters, the advice on passing cyclists, is to allow as much room as a car ? hence wide cycle lanes in case they fall over sideways? > I gather that one could be apprehended by police if they happen to catch you cutting it too fine! > Some years ago, I knew that in Amsterdam, a motorist must not overtake a stationary tram, as they stop in the middle of the street ? so everything comes to a halt. > I?ve driven in a number of European cities*, both in my own vehicle (RH drive) and in a rental (LH) and getting acquainted in the local laws took some getting used to. > My first visit to the USA ? I was sorting the equipment through Customs while my Mixer went to collect the hire car. He chucked the keys to me ? ?you drive?! It was a huge great Mercury Rambler, and I was terrified of its size, but the Yanks have catered for this with the carriageway width and parking spaces. I had to drive from Orlando to Louisiana on an elevated motorway through the Everglades, but didn?t see much of them! > Got used to winding the window down, tuning the radio to a C & W station and hanging my elbow out the window! > *In Paris, the Director wanted us to circle the Arc De Triumph several times, with my cameraman handholding out of the roof ? the Police were going spare, at the edge, but couldn?t get to us because of the circulating traffic ? lots of whistleblowing, but ignored by us! > Pat > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > From: dave.mdv > Sent: 29 June 2019 19:21 > Subject: Re: [Tech1] TFL cycle lanes > > Doreen and I went up to Waterloo recently to see our step-granddaughter > in a college performance near Backfriars. Walking is difficult these > days so we took a taxi. The driver complained about all the new cycle > lanes because he can't drop disabled passengers near access doors > because there is a cycle lane in the way and he will be fined if he goes > into it! He said he had had enough and was going back home. The number > of road works for all the cycle lanes is ruining driving round London > and also in my local town where the cycle lanes are as big as the main > carriageway! Cars can't overtake buses anymore so there are constant > traffic hold-ups and therefore more pollution! Cheers, Dave > > > Virus-free. www.avast.com > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com Mon Jul 1 17:38:54 2019 From: geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com (Geoffrey Hawkes) Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2019 23:38:54 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] TFL cycle lanes In-Reply-To: References: <57cbc519f7dave@davesound.co.uk> <5d17a5d8.1c69fb81.ec3b0.008d@mx.google.com> <64f1975b-6c71-a962-d30c-ed05439e5a21@btinternet.com> <5d1a2289.1c69fb81.8bb8a.997b@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <535D2E04-68DB-4D71-B1EF-2E7564CDD543@gmail.com> Hi Geoff, I confess to occasionally cycling on the pavement to avoid a dangerous situation on the road but not if I can help it when there are pedestrians about. On country lanes with no footway or on bridleways or canal towpaths, I ding my bell to alert walkers who have their back to me so they don?t jump as I pass. Some take it as if I?m saying, ?Out of my way!? and glare, but usually they thank me and stand aside. Since last August I have an e-bike which helps me get up the hills around here quicker and with a lot less effort. I recommend them to anyone and they are becoming more popular, not just with oldies like me. Have a go on one and see what you think, it could get you going again and I?m sure you?d enjoy it. They don?t go by themselves but are pedal assist, which means you still get the exercise. Good ones like my Specialized Vedo 3 aren?t cheap but are well designed and I think worth the money. The only drawback is that they are heavy so you have to be careful when lifting them out of a tight corner, Regards, Geoff > On 1 Jul 2019, at 22:51, Geoff Fletcher wrote: > > Agreed Geoff. I always try to be considerate to cyclists as I was a keen one myself in my youth in Shropshire. Having said that, there seems to be a growing number of militant cyclists who go out of their way to be awkward. Cycling on pavements is another worry - especially as bicycle bells seem to have gone out of fashion. > Geoff F > >> On Mon, 1 Jul 2019 at 20:03, Geoff Hawkes via Tech1 wrote: >> As a cyclist I don't appreciate motorists who skim past me at high speed and yell at any who do. The legal minimum I believe is 1.5metres but prefer a car's width as the old guide was. I also don't like it when cyclists ride two abreast on the winding country lanes around here as they make it difficult for motorists to pass safely. If I'm on my bike on a very narrow road, I will pull in when I can to let them pass. It's just good manners and mutual respect as should be the case in life everywhere, >> Geoff >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >>> On 1 Jul 2019, at 16:11, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: >>> >>> From my Neighbourhood Watch newsletters, the advice on passing cyclists, is to allow as much room as a car ? hence wide cycle lanes in case they fall over sideways? >>> >>> I gather that one could be apprehended by police if they happen to catch you cutting it too fine! >>> >>> Some years ago, I knew that in Amsterdam, a motorist must not overtake a stationary tram, as they stop in the middle of the street ? so everything comes to a halt. >>> >>> I?ve driven in a number of European cities*, both in my own vehicle (RH drive) and in a rental (LH) and getting acquainted in the local laws took some getting used to. >>> >>> My first visit to the USA ? I was sorting the equipment through Customs while my Mixer went to collect the hire car. He chucked the keys to me ? ?you drive?! It was a huge great Mercury Rambler, and I was terrified of its size, but the Yanks have catered for this with the carriageway width and parking spaces. I had to drive from Orlando to Louisiana on an elevated motorway through the Everglades, but didn?t see much of them! >>> >>> Got used to winding the window down, tuning the radio to a C & W station and hanging my elbow out the window! >>> >>> *In Paris, the Director wanted us to circle the Arc De Triumph several times, with my cameraman handholding out of the roof ? the Police were going spare, at the edge, but couldn?t get to us because of the circulating traffic ? lots of whistleblowing, but ignored by us! >>> >>> Pat >>> >>> >>> >>> Sent from Mail for Windows 10 >>> >>> >>> >>> From: dave.mdv >>> Sent: 29 June 2019 19:21 >>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] TFL cycle lanes >>> >>> >>> >>> Doreen and I went up to Waterloo recently to see our step-granddaughter >>> >>> in a college performance near Backfriars. Walking is difficult these >>> >>> days so we took a taxi. The driver complained about all the new cycle >>> >>> lanes because he can't drop disabled passengers near access doors >>> >>> because there is a cycle lane in the way and he will be fined if he goes >>> >>> into it! He said he had had enough and was going back home. The number >>> >>> of road works for all the cycle lanes is ruining driving round London >>> >>> and also in my local town where the cycle lanes are as big as the main >>> >>> carriageway! Cars can't overtake buses anymore so there are constant >>> >>> traffic hold-ups and therefore more pollution! Cheers, Dave >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Virus-free. www.avast.com >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From keithwicksuk at gmail.com Tue Jul 2 02:51:34 2019 From: keithwicksuk at gmail.com (Keith Wicks) Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2019 08:51:34 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] TV in the dark Message-ID: A while ago, I mentioned (*In the dark*) the growing tendency of TV programmes to show scenes with little or no lighting. I wondered if saving on lighting was an economy measure, or whether it was regarded as a trendy new style. I was surprised that no one on this list seemed to know, although it did bring up some memories of directors who were very good at shooting scenes with little light. But I am talking about scenes where good lighting is desirable in order to show viewers what they really need to see. For example, here are four shots from last Sunday's repeated Dragons' Den. Most of the show had inadequate lighting, and these shots of a chair made from recycled plastic left a lot to the imagination. Does anyone know why such pictures are regarded as acceptable by broadcasters these days? KW -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Chair 1.png Type: image/png Size: 173933 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Chair 2.png Type: image/png Size: 189295 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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All those restrictions have gone, with digital transmission and digital displays. It is technically possible to transmit very dark pictures with a single highlight - all very arty or atmospheric. But certainly not the sort of picture you want on Dragons Den! Best regards, Alec sent from my mobile phone. Apologies for any strange autocorrections. On Tue, 2 Jul 2019, 08:52 Keith Wicks via Tech1, wrote: > A while ago, I mentioned (*In the dark*) the growing tendency of TV > programmes to show scenes with little or no lighting. I wondered if saving > on lighting was an economy measure, or whether it was regarded as a trendy > new style. I was surprised that no one on this list seemed to know, > although it did bring up some memories of directors who were very good at > shooting scenes with little light. But I am talking about scenes where good > lighting is desirable in order to show viewers what they really need to > see. For example, here are four shots from last Sunday's repeated Dragons' > Den. Most of the show had inadequate lighting, and these shots of a chair > made from recycled plastic left a lot to the imagination. Does anyone know > why such pictures are regarded as acceptable by broadcasters these days? > KW > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Tue Jul 2 04:24:25 2019 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2019 10:24:25 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] TFL cycle lanes In-Reply-To: <535D2E04-68DB-4D71-B1EF-2E7564CDD543@gmail.com> References: <57cbc519f7dave@davesound.co.uk> <5d17a5d8.1c69fb81.ec3b0.008d@mx.google.com> <64f1975b-6c71-a962-d30c-ed05439e5a21@btinternet.com> <5d1a2289.1c69fb81.8bb8a.997b@mx.google.com> <535D2E04-68DB-4D71-B1EF-2E7564CDD543@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5d1b22c9.1c69fb81.a892.c84a@mx.google.com> Aye, I bought a folding electric bike from Halfords for ?500 ? splendid thing. Passing horses is another hazard to beware of. These animals can skitter sideways very quickly and without warning. Riding on a main road some years ago, a motorist cut so close that his nearside wing mirror struck my right stirrup ? I wasn?t amused by that! Glad that you use your ding-a-ling, Geoff! Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Geoffrey Hawkes via Tech1 Sent: 01 July 2019 23:39 To: Geoff Fletcher; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] TFL cycle lanes Hi Geoff, I confess to occasionally cycling on the pavement to avoid a dangerous situation on the road but not if I can help it when there are pedestrians about. On country lanes with no footway or on bridleways or canal towpaths, I ding my bell to alert walkers who have their back to me so they don?t jump as I pass. Some take it as if ?I?m saying, ?Out of my way!? and glare, but usually they thank me and stand aside. Since last August I have an e-bike which helps me get up the hills around here quicker and with a lot less effort. I recommend them to anyone and they are becoming more popular, not just with oldies like me. Have a go on one and see what you think, it could get you going again and I?m sure you?d enjoy it. They don?t go by themselves but are pedal assist, which means you still get the exercise. Good ones like my Specialized Vedo 3 aren?t cheap but are well designed and I think worth the money. The only drawback is that they are heavy so you have to be careful when lifting them out of a tight corner, Regards, Geoff On 1 Jul 2019, at 22:51, Geoff Fletcher wrote: Agreed Geoff. I always try to be considerate to cyclists as I was a keen one myself in my youth in Shropshire. Having said that, there seems to be a growing number of militant cyclists who go out of their way to be awkward.? Cycling on pavements is another worry - especially as bicycle bells seem to have gone out of fashion. Geoff F On Mon, 1 Jul 2019 at 20:03, Geoff Hawkes via Tech1 wrote: As a cyclist I don't appreciate motorists who skim past me at high speed and yell at any who do. The legal minimum I believe ?is 1.5metres but prefer a car's width as the old guide was. I also don't like it when cyclists ride two abreast on the winding country lanes around here as they make it difficult for motorists to pass safely. If I'm on my bike on a very narrow road, I will pull in when I can to let them pass. It's just good manners and mutual respect as should be the case in life everywhere, Geoff Sent from my iPad On 1 Jul 2019, at 16:11, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: >From my Neighbourhood Watch newsletters, the advice on passing cyclists, is to allow as much room as a car ? hence wide cycle lanes in case they fall over sideways? I gather that one could be apprehended by police if they happen to catch you cutting it too fine! Some years ago, I knew that in Amsterdam, a motorist must not overtake a stationary tram, as they stop in the middle of the street ? so everything comes to a halt. I?ve driven in a number of European cities*, both in my own vehicle (RH drive) and in a rental (LH) and getting acquainted in the local laws took some getting used to. My first visit to the USA ? I was sorting the equipment through Customs while my Mixer went to collect the hire car. He chucked the keys to me ? ?you drive?! It was a huge great Mercury Rambler, and I was terrified of its size, but the Yanks have catered for this with the carriageway width and parking spaces. I had to drive from Orlando to Louisiana on an elevated motorway through the Everglades, but didn?t see much of them! Got used to winding the window down, tuning the radio to a C & W station and hanging my elbow out the window! *In Paris, the Director wanted us to circle the Arc De Triumph several times, with my cameraman handholding out of the roof ? the Police were going spare, at the edge, but couldn?t get to us because of the circulating traffic ? lots of whistleblowing, but ignored by us! Pat ? Sent from Mail for Windows 10 ? From: dave.mdv Sent: 29 June 2019 19:21 Subject: Re: [Tech1] TFL cycle lanes ? Doreen and I went up to Waterloo recently to see our step-granddaughter in a college performance near Backfriars. Walking is difficult these days so we took a taxi. The driver complained about all the new cycle lanes because he can't drop disabled passengers near access doors because there is a cycle lane in the way and he will be fined if he goes into it! He said he had had enough and was going back home. The number of road works for all the cycle lanes is ruining driving round London and also in my local town where the cycle lanes are as big as the main carriageway! Cars can't overtake buses anymore so there are constant traffic hold-ups and therefore more pollution! Cheers, Dave ? Virus-free. www.avast.com -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Tue Jul 2 04:31:34 2019 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2019 10:31:34 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] TV in the dark In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5d1b2476.1c69fb81.a7ff3.edc1@mx.google.com> I once worked, on film, with a DOP who massively underlit ? he was christened ?the Prince of Darkness?! The depth of field was a bare minimum, and with a largely inexperienced cast, who couldn?t hit their marks, the focus puller was unenviably tasked. Many, many takes before one was OK! Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Alec Bray via Tech1 Sent: 02 July 2019 09:32 To: Keith Wicks; Tech Ops Group Subject: Re: [Tech1] TV in the dark Hi, Way way back many centuries ago ... Well, in the days of black and white television and analogue transmission, I did a spell on Vision Control. One of the many aims of the Vision Control operator (apart from matching camera facial tones) was to provide a lot of tonal values across the picture (high AC picture content). Two main reasons - domestic TVs had no black level clamps, and most TV sets sort of averaged the picture amplitude range so that if there was no large variation in picture amplitude, everything became a grey splurge. All those restrictions have gone, with digital transmission and digital displays. It is technically possible to transmit very dark pictures with a single highlight - all very arty or atmospheric. But certainly not the sort of picture you want on Dragons Den! Best regards, Alec sent from my mobile phone. Apologies for any strange autocorrections. On Tue, 2 Jul 2019, 08:52 Keith Wicks via Tech1, wrote: A while ago, I mentioned (In the dark)?the growing tendency of TV programmes to show scenes with little or no lighting. I wondered if saving on lighting was an economy measure, or whether it was regarded as a trendy new style. I was surprised that no one on this list seemed to know, although it did bring up some memories of directors who were very good at shooting scenes with little light. But I am talking about scenes where good lighting is desirable in order to show viewers what they really need to see. For example, here are four shots from last Sunday's repeated Dragons' Den. Most of the show had inadequate lighting, and these shots of a chair made from recycled plastic left a lot to the imagination. Does anyone know why such pictures are regarded as acceptable by broadcasters these days? KW -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From waresound at msn.com Tue Jul 2 04:35:15 2019 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2019 09:35:15 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] TV in the dark In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Those examples are pretty shocking. Eastenders often gets pretty grim too, for no apparent reason. A pity, because it?s tech and prod values are generally of a good standard. My wife is a keen viewer of Casualty, and that has been interesting from a technical point of view over the years. Even had M&S stereo boom dialogue coverage for a short while a few years ago, which I thought rather good. Too restrictive for Production though, of course, by today?s standards. But, my gripe with Casualty at the moment is a regular tendency to blatantly cross the line, even in simple two-person chat situations. It?s debatable where the line is for a three-hander, but for two there?s no doubt. So, my question is this: is it pure ignorance or a deliberate flouting of basic shooting rules? And if it?s a director who doesn?t know better, do the two camera ops not have any say, pointing out the error. Or are they ignorant of basic principles too? I have to declare that I only ever watch those two progs with (dare I say) a professional interest, and not so much for the content. I find it easy to get great viewing enjoyment without following the plot at all! Cheers, Nick. Sent from my iPad On 2 Jul 2019, at 08:52, Keith Wicks via Tech1 > wrote: A while ago, I mentioned (In the dark) the growing tendency of TV programmes to show scenes with little or no lighting. I wondered if saving on lighting was an economy measure, or whether it was regarded as a trendy new style. I was surprised that no one on this list seemed to know, although it did bring up some memories of directors who were very good at shooting scenes with little light. But I am talking about scenes where good lighting is desirable in order to show viewers what they really need to see. For example, here are four shots from last Sunday's repeated Dragons' Den. Most of the show had inadequate lighting, and these shots of a chair made from recycled plastic left a lot to the imagination. Does anyone know why such pictures are regarded as acceptable by broadcasters these days? KW -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Chris Woolf via Tech1 Sent: 01 July 2019 17:38 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] [SPAM?] Re: Electric Vehicle Noise On 01/07/2019 16:48, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: I envisage a set of push buttons, like the zoom settings! Choose a Lamborghini, Maserati, Aston Martin, Harley Davidson?, Ferrari .... Oh come on guys! This is dreamland. We'll be more in the market for Trabant, 2CV or Moggie 1000. Chris Woolf Virus-free. www.avast.com --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ian.hillson at gmail.com Tue Jul 2 05:36:49 2019 From: ian.hillson at gmail.com (Ian H) Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2019 11:36:49 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Top Secret.... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: ...FROM CIPHERS TO CYBER SECURITY at The Science Museum from 10 July 2019 ? 23 February 2020 (Free) https://www.sciencemuseum.org.uk/see-and-do/top-secret -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From waresound at msn.com Tue Jul 2 05:39:15 2019 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2019 10:39:15 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] TV in the dark In-Reply-To: <5d1b2476.1c69fb81.a7ff3.edc1@mx.google.com> References: <5d1b2476.1c69fb81.a7ff3.edc1@mx.google.com> Message-ID: I?ve known several DOPs, Lighting Directors etc over the decades who got referred to as the Prince of Darkness. I?d say it?s more of a critical endearment than a name anyone has a personal claim to. Underlighting for film stock and cinema viewing was more acceptable because photographic film gamma is (or was) finite and predictable. Ditto, film projection. For TV it?s less forgivable because there are too many unpredictables, the worst being savage transmission data compression (grey scale and chroma levels), room ambient lighting, and the setup of the home TV itself. Cheers, Nick. Sent from my iPad On 2 Jul 2019, at 10:32, patheigham via Tech1 > wrote: I once worked, on film, with a DOP who massively underlit ? he was christened ?the Prince of Darkness?! The depth of field was a bare minimum, and with a largely inexperienced cast, who couldn?t hit their marks, the focus puller was unenviably tasked. Many, many takes before one was OK! Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Alec Bray via Tech1 Sent: 02 July 2019 09:32 To: Keith Wicks; Tech Ops Group Subject: Re: [Tech1] TV in the dark Hi, Way way back many centuries ago ... Well, in the days of black and white television and analogue transmission, I did a spell on Vision Control. One of the many aims of the Vision Control operator (apart from matching camera facial tones) was to provide a lot of tonal values across the picture (high AC picture content). Two main reasons - domestic TVs had no black level clamps, and most TV sets sort of averaged the picture amplitude range so that if there was no large variation in picture amplitude, everything became a grey splurge. All those restrictions have gone, with digital transmission and digital displays. It is technically possible to transmit very dark pictures with a single highlight - all very arty or atmospheric. But certainly not the sort of picture you want on Dragons Den! Best regards, Alec sent from my mobile phone. Apologies for any strange autocorrections. On Tue, 2 Jul 2019, 08:52 Keith Wicks via Tech1, > wrote: A while ago, I mentioned (In the dark) the growing tendency of TV programmes to show scenes with little or no lighting. I wondered if saving on lighting was an economy measure, or whether it was regarded as a trendy new style. I was surprised that no one on this list seemed to know, although it did bring up some memories of directors who were very good at shooting scenes with little light. But I am talking about scenes where good lighting is desirable in order to show viewers what they really need to see. For example, here are four shots from last Sunday's repeated Dragons' Den. Most of the show had inadequate lighting, and these shots of a chair made from recycled plastic left a lot to the imagination. Does anyone know why such pictures are regarded as acceptable by broadcasters these days? KW -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk [https://ipmcdn.avast.com/images/icons/icon-envelope-tick-round-orange-animated-no-repeat-v1.gif] Virus-free. www.avast.com -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ian.hillson at gmail.com Tue Jul 2 05:41:52 2019 From: ian.hillson at gmail.com (Ian H) Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2019 11:41:52 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] TV in the dark In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Would have thought that the VO should have done something "on the fly" about this - and if not at the recording, by the colourist in the grade during the edit. Trouble is many of these people are viewing shots like this in a darkened room, not with summer sun through the windows. Best I On Tue, Jul 2, 2019 at 8:52 AM Keith Wicks via Tech1 wrote: > A while ago, I mentioned (*In the dark*) the growing tendency of TV > programmes to show scenes with little or no lighting. I wondered if saving > on lighting was an economy measure, or whether it was regarded as a trendy > new style. I was surprised that no one on this list seemed to know, > although it did bring up some memories of directors who were very good at > shooting scenes with little light. But I am talking about scenes where good > lighting is desirable in order to show viewers what they really need to > see. For example, here are four shots from last Sunday's repeated Dragons' > Den. Most of the show had inadequate lighting, and these shots of a chair > made from recycled plastic left a lot to the imagination. Does anyone know > why such pictures are regarded as acceptable by broadcasters these days? > KW > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From barrybonner119 at btinternet.com Tue Jul 2 06:28:27 2019 From: barrybonner119 at btinternet.com (Barry Bonner) Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2019 12:28:27 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] TFL cycle lanes In-Reply-To: <5d1b22c9.1c69fb81.a892.c84a@mx.google.com> References: <57cbc519f7dave@davesound.co.uk> <5d17a5d8.1c69fb81.ec3b0.008d@mx.google.com> <64f1975b-6c71-a962-d30c-ed05439e5a21@btinternet.com> <5d1a2289.1c69fb81.8bb8a.997b@mx.google.com> <535D2E04-68DB-4D71-B1EF-2E7564CDD543@gmail.com> <5d1b22c9.1c69fb81.a892.c84a@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <05BDDC41-A193-4750-B25E-E157ABC506BF@btinternet.com> When cycling past horses we always give a verbal warning, e.g. ?Bicycles coming through?, as they?re used to human voices but not bells or horns. Barry. On 2 Jul 2019, at 10:24, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > Aye, I bought a folding electric bike from Halfords for ?500 ? splendid thing. > Passing horses is another hazard to beware of. These animals can skitter sideways very quickly and without warning. > Riding on a main road some years ago, a motorist cut so close that his nearside wing mirror struck my right stirrup ? I wasn?t amused by that! > Glad that you use your ding-a-ling, Geoff! > Pat > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > From: Geoffrey Hawkes via Tech1 > Sent: 01 July 2019 23:39 > To: Geoff Fletcher; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > Subject: Re: [Tech1] TFL cycle lanes > > Hi Geoff, > I confess to occasionally cycling on the pavement to avoid a dangerous situation on the road but not if I can help it when there are pedestrians about. On country lanes with no footway or on bridleways or canal towpaths, I ding my bell to alert walkers who have their back to me so they don?t jump as I pass. Some take it as if I?m saying, ?Out of my way!? and glare, but usually they thank me and stand aside. > Since last August I have an e-bike which helps me get up the hills around here quicker and with a lot less effort. I recommend them to anyone and they are becoming more popular, not just with oldies like me. Have a go on one and see what you think, it could get you going again and I?m sure you?d enjoy it. They don?t go by themselves but are pedal assist, which means you still get the exercise. Good ones like my Specialized Vedo 3 aren?t cheap but are well designed and I think worth the money. The only drawback is that they are heavy so you have to be careful when lifting them out of a tight corner, > Regards, > Geoff > > On 1 Jul 2019, at 22:51, Geoff Fletcher wrote: > > Agreed Geoff. I always try to be considerate to cyclists as I was a keen one myself in my youth in Shropshire. Having said that, there seems to be a growing number of militant cyclists who go out of their way to be awkward. Cycling on pavements is another worry - especially as bicycle bells seem to have gone out of fashion. > Geoff F > > On Mon, 1 Jul 2019 at 20:03, Geoff Hawkes via Tech1 wrote: > As a cyclist I don't appreciate motorists who skim past me at high speed and yell at any who do. The legal minimum I believe is 1.5metres but prefer a car's width as the old guide was. I also don't like it when cyclists ride two abreast on the winding country lanes around here as they make it difficult for motorists to pass safely. If I'm on my bike on a very narrow road, I will pull in when I can to let them pass. It's just good manners and mutual respect as should be the case in life everywhere, > Geoff > > Sent from my iPad > > On 1 Jul 2019, at 16:11, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > > From my Neighbourhood Watch newsletters, the advice on passing cyclists, is to allow as much room as a car ? hence wide cycle lanes in case they fall over sideways? > I gather that one could be apprehended by police if they happen to catch you cutting it too fine! > Some years ago, I knew that in Amsterdam, a motorist must not overtake a stationary tram, as they stop in the middle of the street ? so everything comes to a halt. > I?ve driven in a number of European cities*, both in my own vehicle (RH drive) and in a rental (LH) and getting acquainted in the local laws took some getting used to. > My first visit to the USA ? I was sorting the equipment through Customs while my Mixer went to collect the hire car. He chucked the keys to me ? ?you drive?! It was a huge great Mercury Rambler, and I was terrified of its size, but the Yanks have catered for this with the carriageway width and parking spaces. I had to drive from Orlando to Louisiana on an elevated motorway through the Everglades, but didn?t see much of them! > Got used to winding the window down, tuning the radio to a C & W station and hanging my elbow out the window! > *In Paris, the Director wanted us to circle the Arc De Triumph several times, with my cameraman handholding out of the roof ? the Police were going spare, at the edge, but couldn?t get to us because of the circulating traffic ? lots of whistleblowing, but ignored by us! > Pat > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > From: dave.mdv > Sent: 29 June 2019 19:21 > Subject: Re: [Tech1] TFL cycle lanes > > Doreen and I went up to Waterloo recently to see our step-granddaughter > in a college performance near Backfriars. Walking is difficult these > days so we took a taxi. The driver complained about all the new cycle > lanes because he can't drop disabled passengers near access doors > because there is a cycle lane in the way and he will be fined if he goes > into it! He said he had had enough and was going back home. The number > of road works for all the cycle lanes is ruining driving round London > and also in my local town where the cycle lanes are as big as the main > carriageway! Cars can't overtake buses anymore so there are constant > traffic hold-ups and therefore more pollution! Cheers, Dave > > > > Virus-free. www.avast.com > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com Tue Jul 2 09:31:36 2019 From: ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com (Albert Barber) Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2019 15:31:36 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] TV in the dark In-Reply-To: References: <5d1b2476.1c69fb81.a7ff3.edc1@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <0C626ED3-5A8A-4145-9D53-5ED35C4AC071@btinternet.com> Try this chaps. It?s how to deal with spam emails. very funny AB > On 2 Jul 2019, at 11:39, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: > > I?ve known several DOPs, Lighting Directors etc over the decades who got referred to as the Prince of Darkness. I?d say it?s more of a critical endearment than a name anyone has a personal claim to. > Underlighting for film stock and cinema viewing was more acceptable because photographic film gamma is (or was) finite and predictable. Ditto, film projection. > For TV it?s less forgivable because there are too many unpredictables, the worst being savage transmission data compression (grey scale and chroma levels), room ambient lighting, and the setup of the home TV itself. > Cheers, > Nick. > Sent from my iPad > > On 2 Jul 2019, at 10:32, patheigham via Tech1 > wrote: > >> I once worked, on film, with a DOP who massively underlit ? he was christened ?the Prince of Darkness?! >> The depth of field was a bare minimum, and with a largely inexperienced cast, who couldn?t hit their marks, the focus puller was unenviably tasked. Many, many takes before one was OK! >> Pat >> >> Sent from Mail for Windows 10 >> >> From: Alec Bray via Tech1 >> Sent: 02 July 2019 09:32 >> To: Keith Wicks ; Tech Ops Group >> Subject: Re: [Tech1] TV in the dark >> >> Hi, >> Way way back many centuries ago ... Well, in the days of black and white television and analogue transmission, I did a spell on Vision Control. One of the many aims of the Vision Control operator (apart from matching camera facial tones) was to provide a lot of tonal values across the picture (high AC picture content). Two main reasons - domestic TVs had no black level clamps, and most TV sets sort of averaged the picture amplitude range so that if there was no large variation in picture amplitude, everything became a grey splurge. >> All those restrictions have gone, with digital transmission and digital displays. It is technically possible to transmit very dark pictures with a single highlight - all very arty or atmospheric. But certainly not the sort of picture you want on Dragons Den! >> >> Best regards, Alec >> >> >> sent from my mobile phone. Apologies for any strange autocorrections. >> >> On Tue, 2 Jul 2019, 08:52 Keith Wicks via Tech1, > wrote: >> A while ago, I mentioned (In the dark) the growing tendency of TV programmes to show scenes with little or no lighting. I wondered if saving on lighting was an economy measure, or whether it was regarded as a trendy new style. I was surprised that no one on this list seemed to know, although it did bring up some memories of directors who were very good at shooting scenes with little light. But I am talking about scenes where good lighting is desirable in order to show viewers what they really need to see. For example, here are four shots from last Sunday's repeated Dragons' Den. Most of the show had inadequate lighting, and these shots of a chair made from recycled plastic left a lot to the imagination. Does anyone know why such pictures are regarded as acceptable by broadcasters these days? >> KW >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> >> >> Virus-free. www.avast.com -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com Tue Jul 2 09:34:43 2019 From: ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com (Albert Barber) Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2019 15:34:43 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] TV in the dark In-Reply-To: <0C626ED3-5A8A-4145-9D53-5ED35C4AC071@btinternet.com> References: <5d1b2476.1c69fb81.a7ff3.edc1@mx.google.com> <0C626ED3-5A8A-4145-9D53-5ED35C4AC071@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <5B219BBB-0AB5-48B8-B0C4-D5ECFD168EFD@btinternet.com> oops https://youtu.be/C4Uc-cztsJo > On 2 Jul 2019, at 15:31, Albert Barber wrote: > > Try this chaps. > It?s how to deal with spam emails. very funny > AB > >> On 2 Jul 2019, at 11:39, Nick Ware via Tech1 > wrote: >> >> I?ve known several DOPs, Lighting Directors etc over the decades who got referred to as the Prince of Darkness. I?d say it?s more of a critical endearment than a name anyone has a personal claim to. >> Underlighting for film stock and cinema viewing was more acceptable because photographic film gamma is (or was) finite and predictable. Ditto, film projection. >> For TV it?s less forgivable because there are too many unpredictables, the worst being savage transmission data compression (grey scale and chroma levels), room ambient lighting, and the setup of the home TV itself. >> Cheers, >> Nick. >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On 2 Jul 2019, at 10:32, patheigham via Tech1 > wrote: >> >>> I once worked, on film, with a DOP who massively underlit ? he was christened ?the Prince of Darkness?! >>> The depth of field was a bare minimum, and with a largely inexperienced cast, who couldn?t hit their marks, the focus puller was unenviably tasked. Many, many takes before one was OK! >>> Pat >>> >>> Sent from Mail for Windows 10 >>> >>> From: Alec Bray via Tech1 >>> Sent: 02 July 2019 09:32 >>> To: Keith Wicks ; Tech Ops Group >>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] TV in the dark >>> >>> Hi, >>> Way way back many centuries ago ... Well, in the days of black and white television and analogue transmission, I did a spell on Vision Control. One of the many aims of the Vision Control operator (apart from matching camera facial tones) was to provide a lot of tonal values across the picture (high AC picture content). Two main reasons - domestic TVs had no black level clamps, and most TV sets sort of averaged the picture amplitude range so that if there was no large variation in picture amplitude, everything became a grey splurge. >>> All those restrictions have gone, with digital transmission and digital displays. It is technically possible to transmit very dark pictures with a single highlight - all very arty or atmospheric. But certainly not the sort of picture you want on Dragons Den! >>> >>> Best regards, Alec >>> >>> >>> sent from my mobile phone. Apologies for any strange autocorrections. >>> >>> On Tue, 2 Jul 2019, 08:52 Keith Wicks via Tech1, > wrote: >>> A while ago, I mentioned (In the dark) the growing tendency of TV programmes to show scenes with little or no lighting. I wondered if saving on lighting was an economy measure, or whether it was regarded as a trendy new style. I was surprised that no one on this list seemed to know, although it did bring up some memories of directors who were very good at shooting scenes with little light. But I am talking about scenes where good lighting is desirable in order to show viewers what they really need to see. For example, here are four shots from last Sunday's repeated Dragons' Den. Most of the show had inadequate lighting, and these shots of a chair made from recycled plastic left a lot to the imagination. Does anyone know why such pictures are regarded as acceptable by broadcasters these days? >>> KW >>> >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>> >>> >>> Virus-free. www.avast.com -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Tue Jul 2 10:13:34 2019 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2019 16:13:34 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] TV in the dark In-Reply-To: <5B219BBB-0AB5-48B8-B0C4-D5ECFD168EFD@btinternet.com> References: <5d1b2476.1c69fb81.a7ff3.edc1@mx.google.com> <0C626ED3-5A8A-4145-9D53-5ED35C4AC071@btinternet.com> <5B219BBB-0AB5-48B8-B0C4-D5ECFD168EFD@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <5d1b74a3.1c69fb81.d6182.6df1@mx.google.com> And another , dealing with scam or telemarketing calls: Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Albert Barber via Tech1 Sent: 02 July 2019 15:35 To: Nick Ware Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] TV in the dark oops? https://youtu.be/C4Uc-cztsJo On 2 Jul 2019, at 15:31, Albert Barber wrote: Try this chaps. It?s how to deal with spam emails. very funny AB --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Tom Mabe.wmv Type: video/x-ms-wmv Size: 3193770 bytes Desc: not available URL: From dave at davesound.co.uk Tue Jul 2 11:44:10 2019 From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman) Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2019 17:44:10 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] TV in the dark In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <57cd5b437cdave@davesound.co.uk> 'Moody' lighting is one thing on a drama. Perhaps used to make you concentrate on the acting rather than set. But on a reality show? Just plain incompetence, I'd say. If they no longer need a sound man, why bother with the expense of having someone who understands lighting either? In article , Keith Wicks via Tech1 wrote: > A while ago, I mentioned (*In the dark*) the growing tendency of TV > programmes to show scenes with little or no lighting. I wondered if > saving on lighting was an economy measure, or whether it was regarded as > a trendy new style. I was surprised that no one on this list seemed to > know, although it did bring up some memories of directors who were very > good at shooting scenes with little light. But I am talking about scenes > where good lighting is desirable in order to show viewers what they > really need to see. For example, here are four shots from last Sunday's > repeated Dragons' Den. Most of the show had inadequate lighting, and > these shots of a chair made from recycled plastic left a lot to the > imagination. Does anyone know why such pictures are regarded as > acceptable by broadcasters these days? KW -- *Husband and cat lost -- reward for cat Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From relong at btinternet.com Tue Jul 2 12:03:18 2019 From: relong at btinternet.com (Roger E Long) Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2019 18:03:18 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] TV in the dark In-Reply-To: References: <5d1b2476.1c69fb81.a7ff3.edc1@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <82DEEEA3-A04E-4651-87A8-682EF918CB49@btinternet.com> Film DOPs got very disheartened when their efforts were transmitted TK was rehearsed for optimal viewing, but then the operator changed for TX and many scenes compromised Neg transfer to VT saved that embarrassment Spielberg always wanted max depth of field , scenes were shot hi key and then reduced in the printing That was very effective One DOP would shoot with an inch plus of ND on the front of the element to reduce 16mm depth of field This was not always successful?.. Distagon lenses always gave excellent results Focus pullers could be reduced to tears in v low light. Flag artists always gave boom ops the jitters A sea of flags on the floor oov gave little room to manoeuvre Roger > On 2 Jul 2019, at 11:39, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: > > I?ve known several DOPs, Lighting Directors etc over the decades who got referred to as the Prince of Darkness. I?d say it?s more of a critical endearment than a name anyone has a personal claim to. > Underlighting for film stock and cinema viewing was more acceptable because photographic film gamma is (or was) finite and predictable. Ditto, film projection. > For TV it?s less forgivable because there are too many unpredictables, the worst being savage transmission data compression (grey scale and chroma levels), room ambient lighting, and the setup of the home TV itself. > Cheers, > Nick. > Sent from my iPad > > On 2 Jul 2019, at 10:32, patheigham via Tech1 > wrote: > >> I once worked, on film, with a DOP who massively underlit ? he was christened ?the Prince of Darkness?! >> The depth of field was a bare minimum, and with a largely inexperienced cast, who couldn?t hit their marks, the focus puller was unenviably tasked. Many, many takes before one was OK! >> Pat >> >> Sent from Mail for Windows 10 >> >> From: Alec Bray via Tech1 >> Sent: 02 July 2019 09:32 >> To: Keith Wicks ; Tech Ops Group >> Subject: Re: [Tech1] TV in the dark >> >> Hi, >> Way way back many centuries ago ... Well, in the days of black and white television and analogue transmission, I did a spell on Vision Control. One of the many aims of the Vision Control operator (apart from matching camera facial tones) was to provide a lot of tonal values across the picture (high AC picture content). Two main reasons - domestic TVs had no black level clamps, and most TV sets sort of averaged the picture amplitude range so that if there was no large variation in picture amplitude, everything became a grey splurge. >> All those restrictions have gone, with digital transmission and digital displays. It is technically possible to transmit very dark pictures with a single highlight - all very arty or atmospheric. But certainly not the sort of picture you want on Dragons Den! >> >> Best regards, Alec >> >> >> sent from my mobile phone. Apologies for any strange autocorrections. >> >> On Tue, 2 Jul 2019, 08:52 Keith Wicks via Tech1, > wrote: >> A while ago, I mentioned (In the dark) the growing tendency of TV programmes to show scenes with little or no lighting. I wondered if saving on lighting was an economy measure, or whether it was regarded as a trendy new style. I was surprised that no one on this list seemed to know, although it did bring up some memories of directors who were very good at shooting scenes with little light. But I am talking about scenes where good lighting is desirable in order to show viewers what they really need to see. For example, here are four shots from last Sunday's repeated Dragons' Den. Most of the show had inadequate lighting, and these shots of a chair made from recycled plastic left a lot to the imagination. Does anyone know why such pictures are regarded as acceptable by broadcasters these days? >> KW >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> >> >> Virus-free. www.avast.com -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Tue Jul 2 12:57:04 2019 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2019 18:57:04 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] TV in the dark In-Reply-To: <5B219BBB-0AB5-48B8-B0C4-D5ECFD168EFD@btinternet.com> References: <5d1b2476.1c69fb81.a7ff3.edc1@mx.google.com> <0C626ED3-5A8A-4145-9D53-5ED35C4AC071@btinternet.com> <5B219BBB-0AB5-48B8-B0C4-D5ECFD168EFD@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <22a4b341-9fb4-3baf-4fc7-246de557a5ea@btinternet.com> Brilliant! My wind-ups are not nearly as funny and they always ring-off! Cheers, Dave From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Tue Jul 2 12:58:35 2019 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2019 18:58:35 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] TV in the dark In-Reply-To: <5d1b74a3.1c69fb81.d6182.6df1@mx.google.com> References: <5d1b2476.1c69fb81.a7ff3.edc1@mx.google.com> <0C626ED3-5A8A-4145-9D53-5ED35C4AC071@btinternet.com> <5B219BBB-0AB5-48B8-B0C4-D5ECFD168EFD@btinternet.com> <5d1b74a3.1c69fb81.d6182.6df1@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Well done Pat, for one moment I thought you might not have another one! Cheers, Dave From geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com Tue Jul 2 16:17:01 2019 From: geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com (geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com) Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2019 22:17:01 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] TFL cycle lanes In-Reply-To: <5d1b22c9.1c69fb81.a892.c84a@mx.google.com> References: <57cbc519f7dave@davesound.co.uk> <5d17a5d8.1c69fb81.ec3b0.008d@mx.google.com> <64f1975b-6c71-a962-d30c-ed05439e5a21@btinternet.com> <5d1a2289.1c69fb81.8bb8a.997b@mx.google.com> <535D2E04-68DB-4D71-B1EF-2E7564CDD543@gmail.com> <5d1b22c9.1c69fb81.a892.c84a@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <00a801d5311b$7d53f570$77fbe050$@gmail.com> I worry about cyclists who ride with their jackets or coats undone allowing them to billow out as they go along. It doesn?t seem to occur to them that apart from causing more drag, there?s a chance they might get caught in a parked car?s wing mirror or even in that of a moving one. And Pat, I don?t have a ding-a-ling these days, my just goes ping but it still does the job J Geoff From: patheigham [mailto:pat.heigham at amps.net] Sent: 02 July 2019 10:24 To: Geoffrey Hawkes; Geoff Fletcher; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: RE: [Tech1] TFL cycle lanes Aye, I bought a folding electric bike from Halfords for ?500 ? splendid thing. Passing horses is another hazard to beware of. These animals can skitter sideways very quickly and without warning. Riding on a main road some years ago, a motorist cut so close that his nearside wing mirror struck my right stirrup ? I wasn?t amused by that! Glad that you use your ding-a-ling, Geoff! Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Geoffrey Hawkes via Tech1 Sent: 01 July 2019 23:39 To: Geoff Fletcher ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] TFL cycle lanes Hi Geoff, I confess to occasionally cycling on the pavement to avoid a dangerous situation on the road but not if I can help it when there are pedestrians about. On country lanes with no footway or on bridleways or canal towpaths, I ding my bell to alert walkers who have their back to me so they don?t jump as I pass. Some take it as if I?m saying, ?Out of my way!? and glare, but usually they thank me and stand aside. Since last August I have an e-bike which helps me get up the hills around here quicker and with a lot less effort. I recommend them to anyone and they are becoming more popular, not just with oldies like me. Have a go on one and see what you think, it could get you going again and I?m sure you?d enjoy it. They don?t go by themselves but are pedal assist, which means you still get the exercise. Good ones like my Specialized Vedo 3 aren?t cheap but are well designed and I think worth the money. The only drawback is that they are heavy so you have to be careful when lifting them out of a tight corner, Regards, Geoff On 1 Jul 2019, at 22:51, Geoff Fletcher wrote: Agreed Geoff. I always try to be considerate to cyclists as I was a keen one myself in my youth in Shropshire. Having said that, there seems to be a growing number of militant cyclists who go out of their way to be awkward. Cycling on pavements is another worry - especially as bicycle bells seem to have gone out of fashion. Geoff F On Mon, 1 Jul 2019 at 20:03, Geoff Hawkes via Tech1 wrote: As a cyclist I don't appreciate motorists who skim past me at high speed and yell at any who do. The legal minimum I believe is 1.5metres but prefer a car's width as the old guide was. I also don't like it when cyclists ride two abreast on the winding country lanes around here as they make it difficult for motorists to pass safely. If I'm on my bike on a very narrow road, I will pull in when I can to let them pass. It's just good manners and mutual respect as should be the case in life everywhere, Geoff Sent from my iPad On 1 Jul 2019, at 16:11, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: >From my Neighbourhood Watch newsletters, the advice on passing cyclists, is to allow as much room as a car ? hence wide cycle lanes in case they fall over sideways? I gather that one could be apprehended by police if they happen to catch you cutting it too fine! Some years ago, I knew that in Amsterdam, a motorist must not overtake a stationary tram, as they stop in the middle of the street ? so everything comes to a halt. I?ve driven in a number of European cities*, both in my own vehicle (RH drive) and in a rental (LH) and getting acquainted in the local laws took some getting used to. My first visit to the USA ? I was sorting the equipment through Customs while my Mixer went to collect the hire car. He chucked the keys to me ? ?you drive?! It was a huge great Mercury Rambler, and I was terrified of its size, but the Yanks have catered for this with the carriageway width and parking spaces. I had to drive from Orlando to Louisiana on an elevated motorway through the Everglades, but didn?t see much of them! Got used to winding the window down, tuning the radio to a C & W station and hanging my elbow out the window! *In Paris, the Director wanted us to circle the Arc De Triumph several times, with my cameraman handholding out of the roof ? the Police were going spare, at the edge, but couldn?t get to us because of the circulating traffic ? lots of whistleblowing, but ignored by us! Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: dave.mdv Sent: 29 June 2019 19:21 Subject: Re: [Tech1] TFL cycle lanes Doreen and I went up to Waterloo recently to see our step-granddaughter in a college performance near Backfriars. Walking is difficult these days so we took a taxi. The driver complained about all the new cycle lanes because he can't drop disabled passengers near access doors because there is a cycle lane in the way and he will be fined if he goes into it! He said he had had enough and was going back home. The number of road works for all the cycle lanes is ruining driving round London and also in my local town where the cycle lanes are as big as the main carriageway! Cars can't overtake buses anymore so there are constant traffic hold-ups and therefore more pollution! Cheers, Dave Image removed by sender. https://ipmcdn.avast.com/images/icons/icon-envelope-tick-round-orange-animated-no-repeat-v1.gif Virus-free. www.avast.com -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 350 bytes Desc: not available URL: From geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com Tue Jul 2 17:12:33 2019 From: geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com (geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com) Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2019 23:12:33 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] TFL cycle lanes In-Reply-To: <05BDDC41-A193-4750-B25E-E157ABC506BF@btinternet.com> References: <57cbc519f7dave@davesound.co.uk> <5d17a5d8.1c69fb81.ec3b0.008d@mx.google.com> <64f1975b-6c71-a962-d30c-ed05439e5a21@btinternet.com> <5d1a2289.1c69fb81.8bb8a.997b@mx.google.com> <535D2E04-68DB-4D71-B1EF-2E7564CDD543@gmail.com> <5d1b22c9.1c69fb81.a892.c84a@mx.google.com> <05BDDC41-A193-4750-B25E-E157ABC506BF@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <00c001d53123$3f849e90$be8ddbb0$@gmail.com> That?s a good idea Barry and one that hadn?t occurred to me. Being a lone cyclist, I?m usually able to give horses a wide enough berth anyway as I don?t fancy being kicked by one either. If I?m in the car, I slow to the recommended 20mph and give the riders a wave which they appreciate. I hope you have a good number for the lunch tomorrow but don?t think I?m going to be able come out to play myself as I?ve got a lot on at the moment but am sure you?ll manage without me, Regards, Geoff From: Barry Bonner [mailto:barrybonner119 at btinternet.com] Sent: 02 July 2019 12:28 To: patheigham Cc: Geoffrey Hawkes; Geoff Fletcher; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] TFL cycle lanes When cycling past horses we always give a verbal warning, e.g. ?Bicycles coming through?, as they?re used to human voices but not bells or horns. Barry. On 2 Jul 2019, at 10:24, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: Aye, I bought a folding electric bike from Halfords for ?500 ? splendid thing. Passing horses is another hazard to beware of. These animals can skitter sideways very quickly and without warning. Riding on a main road some years ago, a motorist cut so close that his nearside wing mirror struck my right stirrup ? I wasn?t amused by that! Glad that you use your ding-a-ling, Geoff! Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Geoffrey Hawkes via Tech1 Sent: 01 July 2019 23:39 To: Geoff Fletcher; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] TFL cycle lanes Hi Geoff, I confess to occasionally cycling on the pavement to avoid a dangerous situation on the road but not if I can help it when there are pedestrians about. On country lanes with no footway or on bridleways or canal towpaths, I ding my bell to alert walkers who have their back to me so they don?t jump as I pass. Some take it as if I?m saying, ?Out of my way!? and glare, but usually they thank me and stand aside. Since last August I have an e-bike which helps me get up the hills around here quicker and with a lot less effort. I recommend them to anyone and they are becoming more popular, not just with oldies like me. Have a go on one and see what you think, it could get you going again and I?m sure you?d enjoy it. They don?t go by themselves but are pedal assist, which means you still get the exercise. Good ones like my Specialized Vedo 3 aren?t cheap but are well designed and I think worth the money. The only drawback is that they are heavy so you have to be careful when lifting them out of a tight corner, Regards, Geoff On 1 Jul 2019, at 22:51, Geoff Fletcher < geoffletch at gmail.com> wrote: Agreed Geoff. I always try to be considerate to cyclists as I was a keen one myself in my youth in Shropshire. Having said that, there seems to be a growing number of militant cyclists who go out of their way to be awkward. Cycling on pavements is another worry - especially as bicycle bells seem to have gone out of fashion. Geoff F On Mon, 1 Jul 2019 at 20:03, Geoff Hawkes via Tech1 < tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote: As a cyclist I don't appreciate motorists who skim past me at high speed and yell at any who do. The legal minimum I believe is 1.5metres but prefer a car's width as the old guide was. I also don't like it when cyclists ride two abreast on the winding country lanes around here as they make it difficult for motorists to pass safely. If I'm on my bike on a very narrow road, I will pull in when I can to let them pass. It's just good manners and mutual respect as should be the case in life everywhere, Geoff Sent from my iPad On 1 Jul 2019, at 16:11, patheigham via Tech1 < tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote: >From my Neighbourhood Watch newsletters, the advice on passing cyclists, is to allow as much room as a car ? hence wide cycle lanes in case they fall over sideways? I gather that one could be apprehended by police if they happen to catch you cutting it too fine! Some years ago, I knew that in Amsterdam, a motorist must not overtake a stationary tram, as they stop in the middle of the street ? so everything comes to a halt. I?ve driven in a number of European cities*, both in my own vehicle (RH drive) and in a rental (LH) and getting acquainted in the local laws took some getting used to. My first visit to the USA ? I was sorting the equipment through Customs while my Mixer went to collect the hire car. He chucked the keys to me ? ?you drive?! It was a huge great Mercury Rambler, and I was terrified of its size, but the Yanks have catered for this with the carriageway width and parking spaces. I had to drive from Orlando to Louisiana on an elevated motorway through the Everglades, but didn?t see much of them! Got used to winding the window down, tuning the radio to a C & W station and hanging my elbow out the window! *In Paris, the Director wanted us to circle the Arc De Triumph several times, with my cameraman handholding out of the roof ? the Police were going spare, at the edge, but couldn?t get to us because of the circulating traffic ? lots of whistleblowing, but ignored by us! Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: dave.mdv Sent: 29 June 2019 19:21 Subject: Re: [Tech1] TFL cycle lanes Doreen and I went up to Waterloo recently to see our step-granddaughter in a college performance near Backfriars. Walking is difficult these days so we took a taxi. The driver complained about all the new cycle lanes because he can't drop disabled passengers near access doors because there is a cycle lane in the way and he will be fined if he goes into it! He said he had had enough and was going back home. The number of road works for all the cycle lanes is ruining driving round London and also in my local town where the cycle lanes are as big as the main carriageway! Cars can't overtake buses anymore so there are constant traffic hold-ups and therefore more pollution! Cheers, Dave Image removed by sender. https://ipmcdn.avast.com/images/icons/icon-envelope-tick-round-orange-animat ed-no-repeat-v1.gif Virus-free. www.avast.com -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 350 bytes Desc: not available URL: From mibridge at mac.com Tue Jul 2 18:05:55 2019 From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles) Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2019 00:05:55 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] TV in the dark In-Reply-To: <0C626ED3-5A8A-4145-9D53-5ED35C4AC071@btinternet.com> References: <5d1b2476.1c69fb81.a7ff3.edc1@mx.google.com> <0C626ED3-5A8A-4145-9D53-5ED35C4AC071@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <426FDF3B-FA61-496F-B417-34B766E42518@mac.com> Afraid I?m in the dark on your spam e-mail treatment as well, Albert - no link to anything. Mike G > On 2 Jul 2019, at 15:31, Albert Barber via Tech1 wrote: > > Try this chaps. > It?s how to deal with spam emails. very funny > AB > >> On 2 Jul 2019, at 11:39, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: >> >> I?ve known several DOPs, Lighting Directors etc over the decades who got referred to as the Prince of Darkness. I?d say it?s more of a critical endearment than a name anyone has a personal claim to. >> Underlighting for film stock and cinema viewing was more acceptable because photographic film gamma is (or was) finite and predictable. Ditto, film projection. >> For TV it?s less forgivable because there are too many unpredictables, the worst being savage transmission data compression (grey scale and chroma levels), room ambient lighting, and the setup of the home TV itself. >> Cheers, >> Nick. >> Sent from my iPad >> >>> On 2 Jul 2019, at 10:32, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: >>> >>> I once worked, on film, with a DOP who massively underlit ? he was christened ?the Prince of Darkness?! >>> The depth of field was a bare minimum, and with a largely inexperienced cast, who couldn?t hit their marks, the focus puller was unenviably tasked. Many, many takes before one was OK! >>> Pat >>> >>> Sent from Mail for Windows 10 >>> >>> From: Alec Bray via Tech1 >>> Sent: 02 July 2019 09:32 >>> To: Keith Wicks; Tech Ops Group >>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] TV in the dark >>> >>> Hi, >>> Way way back many centuries ago ... Well, in the days of black and white television and analogue transmission, I did a spell on Vision Control. One of the many aims of the Vision Control operator (apart from matching camera facial tones) was to provide a lot of tonal values across the picture (high AC picture content). Two main reasons - domestic TVs had no black level clamps, and most TV sets sort of averaged the picture amplitude range so that if there was no large variation in picture amplitude, everything became a grey splurge. >>> All those restrictions have gone, with digital transmission and digital displays. It is technically possible to transmit very dark pictures with a single highlight - all very arty or atmospheric. But certainly not the sort of picture you want on Dragons Den! >>> >>> Best regards, Alec >>> >>> >>> sent from my mobile phone. Apologies for any strange autocorrections. >>> >>> On Tue, 2 Jul 2019, 08:52 Keith Wicks via Tech1, wrote: >>> A while ago, I mentioned (In the dark) the growing tendency of TV programmes to show scenes with little or no lighting. I wondered if saving on lighting was an economy measure, or whether it was regarded as a trendy new style. I was surprised that no one on this list seemed to know, although it did bring up some memories of directors who were very good at shooting scenes with little light. But I am talking about scenes where good lighting is desirable in order to show viewers what they really need to see. For example, here are four shots from last Sunday's repeated Dragons' Den. Most of the show had inadequate lighting, and these shots of a chair made from recycled plastic left a lot to the imagination. Does anyone know why such pictures are regarded as acceptable by broadcasters these days? >>> KW >>> >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>> >>> >>> Virus-free. www.avast.com >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mibridge at mac.com Wed Jul 3 03:14:30 2019 From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles) Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2019 09:14:30 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] TV in the dark In-Reply-To: <1D3DDDD0-70CB-4880-BFAD-C32D65A80CA2@btinternet.com> References: <5d1b2476.1c69fb81.a7ff3.edc1@mx.google.com> <0C626ED3-5A8A-4145-9D53-5ED35C4AC071@btinternet.com> <426FDF3B-FA61-496F-B417-34B766E42518@mac.com> <1D3DDDD0-70CB-4880-BFAD-C32D65A80CA2@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <31754709-775E-47C8-9459-F40014B85E47@mac.com> Well worth the wait!! Not only very funny, but a stand-up routine without a single profanity. Mike G > On 3 Jul 2019, at 08:53, Albert Barber wrote: > > oops > https://youtu.be/C4Uc-cztsJo > > Albert > > >> On 3 Jul 2019, at 00:05, Mike Giles wrote: >> >> Afraid I?m in the dark on your spam e-mail treatment as well, Albert - no link to anything. >> >> Mike G >> >>> On 2 Jul 2019, at 15:31, Albert Barber via Tech1 wrote: >>> >>> Try this chaps. >>> It?s how to deal with spam emails. very funny >>> AB >>> >>>> On 2 Jul 2019, at 11:39, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: >>>> >>>> I?ve known several DOPs, Lighting Directors etc over the decades who got referred to as the Prince of Darkness. I?d say it?s more of a critical endearment than a name anyone has a personal claim to. >>>> Underlighting for film stock and cinema viewing was more acceptable because photographic film gamma is (or was) finite and predictable. Ditto, film projection. >>>> For TV it?s less forgivable because there are too many unpredictables, the worst being savage transmission data compression (grey scale and chroma levels), room ambient lighting, and the setup of the home TV itself. >>>> Cheers, >>>> Nick. >>>> Sent from my iPad >>>> >>>>> On 2 Jul 2019, at 10:32, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I once worked, on film, with a DOP who massively underlit ? he was christened ?the Prince of Darkness?! >>>>> The depth of field was a bare minimum, and with a largely inexperienced cast, who couldn?t hit their marks, the focus puller was unenviably tasked. Many, many takes before one was OK! >>>>> Pat >>>>> >>>>> Sent from Mail for Windows 10 >>>>> >>>>> From: Alec Bray via Tech1 >>>>> Sent: 02 July 2019 09:32 >>>>> To: Keith Wicks; Tech Ops Group >>>>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] TV in the dark >>>>> >>>>> Hi, >>>>> Way way back many centuries ago ... Well, in the days of black and white television and analogue transmission, I did a spell on Vision Control. One of the many aims of the Vision Control operator (apart from matching camera facial tones) was to provide a lot of tonal values across the picture (high AC picture content). Two main reasons - domestic TVs had no black level clamps, and most TV sets sort of averaged the picture amplitude range so that if there was no large variation in picture amplitude, everything became a grey splurge. >>>>> All those restrictions have gone, with digital transmission and digital displays. It is technically possible to transmit very dark pictures with a single highlight - all very arty or atmospheric. But certainly not the sort of picture you want on Dragons Den! >>>>> >>>>> Best regards, Alec >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> sent from my mobile phone. Apologies for any strange autocorrections. >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, 2 Jul 2019, 08:52 Keith Wicks via Tech1, wrote: >>>>> A while ago, I mentioned (In the dark) the growing tendency of TV programmes to show scenes with little or no lighting. I wondered if saving on lighting was an economy measure, or whether it was regarded as a trendy new style. I was surprised that no one on this list seemed to know, although it did bring up some memories of directors who were very good at shooting scenes with little light. But I am talking about scenes where good lighting is desirable in order to show viewers what they really need to see. For example, here are four shots from last Sunday's repeated Dragons' Den. Most of the show had inadequate lighting, and these shots of a chair made from recycled plastic left a lot to the imagination. 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How did the presenters manage to drive out > of studio in an MG at the end of the same Lulu episode? > > > > > > *From:* Mike Jordan via Tech1 > *Sent:* Wednesday, July 03, 2019 5:05 PM > *To:* Tech-Ops-chit-chat > *Subject:* [Tech1] 50 years since Lulu the elephant apeared at LG > > See the attached for a few laughs. Sorry Page 11 also contains pointless > bits! > > Mike > > ------------------------------ > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From j at howell61.f9.co.uk Wed Jul 3 11:44:33 2019 From: j at howell61.f9.co.uk (John Howell) Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2019 17:44:33 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] 50 years since Lulu the elephant apeared at LG In-Reply-To: References: <1AE51F7784704C4CB07A8EB896198476@Gigabyte> Message-ID: <4f73d3e3-5150-8b43-5b4e-8d861a0a529e@howell61.f9.co.uk> Lime Grove Studios D & E were on the 4th floor, F, G, & H were on the 1st floor (F was used only as a scenery store) John H. On 03/07/2019 17:17, David Brunt via Tech1 wrote: > > Was LG G on the second floor??? How did the presenters manage to drive > out of studio in an MG at the end of the same Lulu episode? > > > > > *From:* Mike Jordan via Tech1 > *Sent:* Wednesday, July 03, 2019 5:05 PM > *To:* Tech-Ops-chit-chat > *Subject:* [Tech1] 50 years since Lulu the elephant apeared at LG > See the attached for a few laughs. 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How did the presenters manage to drive > out of studio in an MG at the end of the same Lulu episode? > > > > > *From:* Mike Jordan via Tech1 > *Sent:* Wednesday, July 03, 2019 5:05 PM > *To:* Tech-Ops-chit-chat > *Subject:* [Tech1] 50 years since Lulu the elephant apeared at LG > See the attached for a few laughs. Sorry Page 11 also contains > pointless bits! > Mike > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From davidvbrunt at gmail.com Wed Jul 3 12:23:39 2019 From: davidvbrunt at gmail.com (David Brunt) Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2019 18:23:39 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] 50 years since Lulu the elephant apeared at LG In-Reply-To: References: <1AE51F7784704C4CB07A8EB896198476@Gigabyte> Message-ID: That?s what I thought. H was round the back, wasn?t it? Did H have scenery doors that led out the back way, which could have got a car in? From: John Howell via Tech1 Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2019 6:12 PM To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] 50 years since Lulu the elephant apeared at LG Lime Grove Studios D & E were on the 4th floor, F, G, & H were on the 1st floor (F was used only as a scenery store) John H. This is a 2nd attempt to send this message. On 03/07/2019 17:17, David Brunt via Tech1 wrote: Was LG G on the second floor? How did the presenters manage to drive out of studio in an MG at the end of the same Lulu episode? From: Mike Jordan via Tech1 Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2019 5:05 PM To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat Subject: [Tech1] 50 years since Lulu the elephant apeared at LG See the attached for a few laughs. Sorry Page 11 also contains pointless bits! Mike ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From billjenkin67 at gmail.com Wed Jul 3 12:35:05 2019 From: billjenkin67 at gmail.com (Bill Jenkin) Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2019 18:35:05 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] 50 years since Lulu the elephant apeared at LG In-Reply-To: References: <1AE51F7784704C4CB07A8EB896198476@Gigabyte> Message-ID: The way I remember it was that the big scenery lift opened on ground floor level to the front of the building. It stopped on floor 2 where it opened out into F but there was a big scenery door between F and G so you could go straight out of the lift, turn right and through the scenery doors into G. The lift stopped on the 4th floor and it was straight on into D or turn left and into E. BJ On Wed, 3 Jul 2019, 18:24 David Brunt via Tech1, wrote: > That?s what I thought. H was round the back, wasn?t it? > > Did H have scenery doors that led out the back way, which could have got a > car in? > > > > *From:* John Howell via Tech1 > *Sent:* Wednesday, July 03, 2019 6:12 PM > *To:* tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > *Subject:* Re: [Tech1] 50 years since Lulu the elephant apeared at LG > > > Lime Grove Studios D & E were on the 4th floor, > > F, G, & H were on the 1st floor (F was used only as a scenery store) > > > John H. > > This is a 2nd attempt to send this message. > On 03/07/2019 17:17, David Brunt via Tech1 wrote: > > > Was LG G on the second floor? How did the presenters manage to drive out > of studio in an MG at the end of the same Lulu episode? > > > > > > *From:* Mike Jordan via Tech1 > *Sent:* Wednesday, July 03, 2019 5:05 PM > *To:* Tech-Ops-chit-chat > *Subject:* [Tech1] 50 years since Lulu the elephant apeared at LG > > See the attached for a few laughs. Sorry Page 11 also contains pointless > bits! > > Mike > ------------------------------ > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > ------------------------------ > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From billjenkin67 at gmail.com Wed Jul 3 12:38:08 2019 From: billjenkin67 at gmail.com (Bill Jenkin) Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2019 18:38:08 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] 50 years since Lulu the elephant apeared at LG In-Reply-To: References: <1AE51F7784704C4CB07A8EB896198476@Gigabyte> Message-ID: I meant first floor not floor 2 in my last missive. I've obviously started thinking the American way of numbering floors. Oh dear. BJ On Wed, 3 Jul 2019, 18:35 Bill Jenkin, wrote: > The way I remember it was that the big scenery lift opened on ground floor > level to the front of the building. It stopped on floor 2 where it opened > out into F but there was a big scenery door between F and G so you could go > straight out of the lift, turn right and through the scenery doors into G. > The lift stopped on the 4th floor and it was straight on into D or turn > left and into E. > BJ > > On Wed, 3 Jul 2019, 18:24 David Brunt via Tech1, > wrote: > >> That?s what I thought. H was round the back, wasn?t it? >> >> Did H have scenery doors that led out the back way, which could have got >> a car in? >> >> >> >> *From:* John Howell via Tech1 >> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 03, 2019 6:12 PM >> *To:* tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> *Subject:* Re: [Tech1] 50 years since Lulu the elephant apeared at LG >> >> >> Lime Grove Studios D & E were on the 4th floor, >> >> F, G, & H were on the 1st floor (F was used only as a scenery store) >> >> >> John H. >> >> This is a 2nd attempt to send this message. >> On 03/07/2019 17:17, David Brunt via Tech1 wrote: >> >> >> Was LG G on the second floor? How did the presenters manage to drive >> out of studio in an MG at the end of the same Lulu episode? >> >> >> >> >> >> *From:* Mike Jordan via Tech1 >> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 03, 2019 5:05 PM >> *To:* Tech-Ops-chit-chat >> *Subject:* [Tech1] 50 years since Lulu the elephant apeared at LG >> >> See the attached for a few laughs. Sorry Page 11 also contains pointless >> bits! >> >> Mike >> ------------------------------ >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> >> ------------------------------ >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net Wed Jul 3 12:44:03 2019 From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt) Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2019 18:44:03 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] 50 years since Lulu the elephant apeared at LG In-Reply-To: References: <1AE51F7784704C4CB07A8EB896198476@Gigabyte> Message-ID: Bang on as usual John. Studio F of course was also the primary route to the canteen! As an aide memoire I am attaching a semi-cutaway of the structure of Lime Grove as it was in 1950 before the Beeb moved in. Best to all, Dave Newbitt. From: John Howell via Tech1 Sent: Wednesday, July 3, 2019 6:12 PM To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] 50 years since Lulu the elephant apeared at LG Lime Grove Studios D & E were on the 4th floor, F, G, & H were on the 1st floor (F was used only as a scenery store) John H. This is a 2nd attempt to send this message. On 03/07/2019 17:17, David Brunt via Tech1 wrote: Was LG G on the second floor? How did the presenters manage to drive out of studio in an MG at the end of the same Lulu episode? From: Mike Jordan via Tech1 Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2019 5:05 PM To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat Subject: [Tech1] 50 years since Lulu the elephant apeared at LG See the attached for a few laughs. Sorry Page 11 also contains pointless bits! Mike ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Lime Grove 1950 before BBC moved in.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 1094721 bytes Desc: not available URL: From graeme.wall at icloud.com Wed Jul 3 13:09:47 2019 From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall) Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2019 19:09:47 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] 50 years since Lulu the elephant apeared at LG In-Reply-To: References: <1AE51F7784704C4CB07A8EB896198476@Gigabyte> Message-ID: F was supposedly the studio used to film Night to Remember. There was a big water tank in the middle which is why they built the studios on the first floor level. I seem to remember there was a ramp up to the scene doors. ? Graeme Wall > On 3 Jul 2019, at 18:23, David Brunt via Tech1 wrote: > > That?s what I thought. H was round the back, wasn?t it? > > Did H have scenery doors that led out the back way, which could have got a car in? > > > > From: John Howell via Tech1 > Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2019 6:12 PM > To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > Subject: Re: [Tech1] 50 years since Lulu the elephant apeared at LG > > Lime Grove Studios D & E were on the 4th floor, > F, G, & H were on the 1st floor (F was used only as a scenery store) > > John H. > This is a 2nd attempt to send this message. > On 03/07/2019 17:17, David Brunt via Tech1 wrote: >> >> Was LG G on the second floor? How did the presenters manage to drive out of studio in an MG at the end of the same Lulu episode? >> >> >> >> >> >> From: Mike Jordan via Tech1 >> Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2019 5:05 PM >> To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat >> Subject: [Tech1] 50 years since Lulu the elephant apeared at LG >> >> See the attached for a few laughs. Sorry Page 11 also contains pointless bits! >> >> Mike >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From j at howell61.f9.co.uk Wed Jul 3 13:44:54 2019 From: j at howell61.f9.co.uk (John Howell) Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2019 19:44:54 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] 50 years since Lulu the elephant apeared at LG, In-Reply-To: References: <1AE51F7784704C4CB07A8EB896198476@Gigabyte> Message-ID: <371462e6-5d76-f871-c523-9aa6b3cdbedf@howell61.f9.co.uk> Dave et al, Here is the view from inside with the passenger lift up some steps to the right. Also a different sort of semi-cutaway, sad really. Hibou. On 03/07/2019 18:44, David Newbitt wrote: > Bang on as usual John. Studio F of course was also the primary route > to the canteen! As an aide memoire I am attaching? a semi-cutaway of > the structure of Lime Grove as it was in 1950 before the Beeb moved in. > Best to all, > Dave Newbitt. > *From:* John Howell via Tech1 > *Sent:* Wednesday, July 3, 2019 6:12 PM > *To:* tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > *Subject:* Re: [Tech1] 50 years since Lulu the elephant apeared at LG > > Lime Grove Studios D & E were on the 4th floor, > > F, G, & H were on the 1st floor (F was used only as a scenery store) > > > John H. > > This is a 2nd attempt to send this message. > > On 03/07/2019 17:17, David Brunt via Tech1 wrote: >> >> Was LG G on the second floor??? How did the presenters manage to >> drive out of studio in an MG at the end of the same Lulu episode? >> >> >> >> >> *From:* Mike Jordan via Tech1 >> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 03, 2019 5:05 PM >> *To:* Tech-Ops-chit-chat >> *Subject:* [Tech1] 50 years since Lulu the elephant apeared at LG >> See the attached for a few laughs. Sorry Page 11 also contains >> pointless bits! >> Mike >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Then ensued a big arguement with the scene boys insisting that such equipment was props and we insisted it was sound gear!!! Thinking back, looking at the sound-proofing of the walls it must have been very dodgy to say the least, although it was probably before asbestos has been invented! Cheers, Dave. PS Just had a most pleasurable lunch in Ickenham where there was an amazing attendance of John Barlow and Geoff Feld! I told Geoff that it must be a TV5 reunion! Happy Days! From waresound at msn.com Wed Jul 3 15:24:26 2019 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2019 20:24:26 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] LG In-Reply-To: <97458527-e71f-50c0-150e-ec194d51f67b@btinternet.com> References: <1AE51F7784704C4CB07A8EB896198476@Gigabyte> , <97458527-e71f-50c0-150e-ec194d51f67b@btinternet.com> Message-ID: It?s true about the Studio F tank. I remember being told it couldn?t be used as a TV studio because the floor wouldn?t take the weight. Sadly, I couldn?t make it to Ickenham today. We have decorators in ATM and kitchen and bathroom planners, and on top of all that, double glazing repairs. Tempted to leave them all to it, but thought better not. Hope somebody took pix. Cheers, Nick. Sent from my iPad On 3 Jul 2019, at 21:07, dave.mdv via Tech1 > wrote: When I was taken to LG on my first day at TVC, having to transferred to TVC from Brum radio, Laurie Duly told me that Studio 'F' had contained the water tank for the 'Cruel Sea' movie in the Gaumont days there (and also 'Morning Departure', another sea-warfare film). It was certainly used as a props store in my time and also where we stored the TOTP Vox amps and loudspeakers when the MU insisted that miming was out and the groups had use real equipment! Then ensued a big arguement with the scene boys insisting that such equipment was props and we insisted it was sound gear!!! Thinking back, looking at the sound-proofing of the walls it must have been very dodgy to say the least, although it was probably before asbestos has been invented! Cheers, Dave. PS Just had a most pleasurable lunch in Ickenham where there was an amazing attendance of John Barlow and Geoff Feld! I told Geoff that it must be a TV5 reunion! Happy Days! -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bernie833 at gmail.com Wed Jul 3 15:51:21 2019 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2019 21:51:21 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Printer fun Message-ID: <28fd6e12-ef05-b649-4266-03fd795b00c3@gmail.com> A few years ago I bought an Epson Ecotank L355 printer.? It, and it's successors, use real ink, CMYK format,? each bottle costing ?9.99.? You pay more up front, but the ink lasts a long time and is cheap.? I had to refill the black a while back, as it's been well used. especially lately for 38 paper camera kits - that's 190 instruction sheets and 114 high quality photo sheets, in addition to all the other stuff that we've done over the years. The other day a light started flashing, and the info app said that the ink was running out. Indeed it was, and all the colour tanks needed refilling. So I did, but the flashing light didn't go out. Today it stayed on permanently and the printer stopped working, even though the ink is now full. I've spent some time tripping round the internet looking for a fix. There are lots - a software application that seems to be a con, and a lot of "press this button for ten seconds, blah blah blah"? Why Epson can't just tell the world how to do it I don't know, presumably to sell more printers. Anyway, i finally found one that works, so i thought I'd pass it on. This apparently works for all Ecotank printers, but who knows? Maybe it will save you or someone you know from having to buy a printer unnecessarily. /Turn the printer off by pulling the plug.// //Leave printer off for at least 10 seconds// //Press and hold the Stop/Resume button// //Press and release the Power button// //When the Power button stops flashing, release the Stop/Resume button for 1 second// //Press and hold the Stop/Resume button for 10 seconds// //Release the Stop/Resume button for 1 second// //Press the Stop/Resume button for 1-2 seconds then release// //The ink light should stop flashing and your printer should start to re-prime itself/ It works! B -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From waresound at msn.com Wed Jul 3 16:04:35 2019 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2019 21:04:35 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Printer fun In-Reply-To: <28fd6e12-ef05-b649-4266-03fd795b00c3@gmail.com> References: <28fd6e12-ef05-b649-4266-03fd795b00c3@gmail.com> Message-ID: It?s good that you fixed it, but if you?ve had it some time, have there been any firmware updates that you haven?t installed? My Wifi connected Canon, which also isn?t very recent, alerts me to updates every few months and asks if I want to install them. Missed you all today - I think I was on another planet ? Cheers, Nick. Sent from my iPad On 3 Jul 2019, at 21:51, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 > wrote: A few years ago I bought an Epson Ecotank L355 printer. It, and it's successors, use real ink, CMYK format, each bottle costing ?9.99. You pay more up front, but the ink lasts a long time and is cheap. I had to refill the black a while back, as it's been well used. especially lately for 38 paper camera kits - that's 190 instruction sheets and 114 high quality photo sheets, in addition to all the other stuff that we've done over the years. The other day a light started flashing, and the info app said that the ink was running out. Indeed it was, and all the colour tanks needed refilling. So I did, but the flashing light didn't go out. Today it stayed on permanently and the printer stopped working, even though the ink is now full. I've spent some time tripping round the internet looking for a fix. There are lots - a software application that seems to be a con, and a lot of "press this button for ten seconds, blah blah blah" Why Epson can't just tell the world how to do it I don't know, presumably to sell more printers. Anyway, i finally found one that works, so i thought I'd pass it on. This apparently works for all Ecotank printers, but who knows? Maybe it will save you or someone you know from having to buy a printer unnecessarily. Turn the printer off by pulling the plug. Leave printer off for at least 10 seconds Press and hold the Stop/Resume button Press and release the Power button When the Power button stops flashing, release the Stop/Resume button for 1 second Press and hold the Stop/Resume button for 10 seconds Release the Stop/Resume button for 1 second Press the Stop/Resume button for 1-2 seconds then release The ink light should stop flashing and your printer should start to re-prime itself It works! B -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From billjenkin67 at gmail.com Wed Jul 3 17:31:54 2019 From: billjenkin67 at gmail.com (Bill Jenkin) Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2019 23:31:54 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] LG In-Reply-To: References: <1AE51F7784704C4CB07A8EB896198476@Gigabyte> <97458527-e71f-50c0-150e-ec194d51f67b@btinternet.com> Message-ID: I'm afraid that "The Cruel Sea" being filmed in F is an urban myth. It was made in 1951 and the BBC had occupied Lime Grove since 1949. The same applies to "A Night to to Remember" (1958). Several other contenders for using the tank in Stage 4 (as F was then) can also be discounted. "Morning Departure" 1950 and filmed at Denham studios. "In Which we Serve" was the right date but was also filmed at Denham and Plymouth Naval Dockyard. The Cruel Sea was filmed at Denham in the open air tank and also at the Royal Naval Dockyard at Plymouth. Bits were also shot at Ealing Studios. The tank under F was eventually converted into a rest room called "The Gainsborough Room" accessed from the floor below. It was of course windowless and a bit low. This was when Lime Grove was called the Topical Production Centre. Hitchcock's "The 39 Steps" was filmed at The Grove but didn't use the tank. I was also told that The Cruel Sea had been filmed there and it was many years before I realised that it couldn't be the case. It is oft repeated. Sorry I couldn't get to Ickenham today, I had a hospital appointment. BJ On Wed, 3 Jul 2019, 21:24 Nick Ware via Tech1, wrote: > It?s true about the Studio F tank. I remember being told it couldn?t be > used as a TV studio because the floor wouldn?t take the weight. > Sadly, I couldn?t make it to Ickenham today. We have decorators in ATM and > kitchen and bathroom planners, and on top of all that, double glazing > repairs. Tempted to leave them all to it, but thought better not. > Hope somebody took pix. > Cheers, > Nick. > Sent from my iPad > > On 3 2019, at 21:07, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: > > When I was taken to LG on my first day at TVC, having to transferred to > TVC from Brum radio, Laurie Duly told me that Studio 'F' had contained the > water tank for the 'Cruel Sea' movie in the Gaumont days there (and also > 'Morning Departure', another sea-warfare film). It was certainly used as a > props store in my time and also where we stored the TOTP Vox amps and > loudspeakers when the MU insisted that miming was out and the groups had > use real equipment! Then ensued a big arguement with the scene boys > insisting that such equipment was props and we insisted it was sound > gear!!! Thinking back, looking at the sound-proofing of the walls it must > have been very dodgy to say the least, although it was probably before > asbestos has been invented! Cheers, Dave. PS Just had a most pleasurable > lunch in Ickenham where there was an amazing attendance of John Barlow and > Geoff Feld! I told Geoff that it must be a TV5 reunion! Happy Days! > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > On Wed, 3 Jul 2019, 21:24 Nick Ware via Tech1, wrote: > It?s true about the Studio F tank. I remember being told it couldn?t be > used as a TV studio because the floor wouldn?t take the weight. > Sadly, I couldn?t make it to Ickenham today. We have decorators in ATM and > kitchen and bathroom planners, and on top of all that, double glazing > repairs. Tempted to leave them all to it, but thought better not. > Hope somebody took pix. > Cheers, > Nick. > Sent from my iPad > > On 3 Jul 2019, at 21:07, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: > > When I was taken to LG on my first day at TVC, having to transferred to > TVC from Brum radio, Laurie Duly told me that Studio 'F' had contained the > water tank for the 'Cruel Sea' movie in the Gaumont days there (and also > 'Morning Departure', another sea-warfare film). It was certainly used as a > props store in my time and also where we stored the TOTP Vox amps and > loudspeakers when the MU insisted that miming was out and the groups had > use real equipment! Then ensued a big arguement with the scene boys > insisting that such equipment was props and we insisted it was sound > gear!!! Thinking back, looking at the sound-proofing of the walls it must > have been very dodgy to say the least, although it was probably before > asbestos has been invented! Cheers, Dave. PS Just had a most pleasurable > lunch in Ickenham where there was an amazing attendance of John Barlow and > Geoff Feld! I told Geoff that it must be a TV5 reunion! Happy Days! > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From geoffletch at gmail.com Thu Jul 4 02:41:31 2019 From: geoffletch at gmail.com (Geoff Fletcher) Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2019 08:41:31 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] LG In-Reply-To: References: <1AE51F7784704C4CB07A8EB896198476@Gigabyte> <97458527-e71f-50c0-150e-ec194d51f67b@btinternet.com> Message-ID: The Wicked Lady was shot at LG when it was Gainsboro? films wasn?t it Bill? Geoff F On Wed, 3 Jul 2019 at 23:32, Bill Jenkin via Tech1 wrote: > I'm afraid that "The Cruel Sea" being filmed in F is an urban myth. It was > made in 1951 and the BBC had occupied Lime Grove since 1949. The same > applies to "A Night to to Remember" (1958). Several other contenders for > using the tank in Stage 4 (as F was then) can also be discounted. "Morning > Departure" 1950 and filmed at Denham studios. "In Which we Serve" was the > right date but was also filmed at Denham and Plymouth Naval Dockyard. > > The Cruel Sea was filmed at Denham in the open air tank and also at the > Royal Naval Dockyard at Plymouth. Bits were also shot at Ealing Studios. > > The tank under F was eventually converted into a rest room called "The > Gainsborough Room" accessed from the floor below. It was of course > windowless and a bit low. This was when Lime Grove was called the Topical > Production Centre. > > Hitchcock's "The 39 Steps" was filmed at The Grove but didn't use the tank. > > I was also told that The Cruel Sea had been filmed there and it was many > years before I realised that it couldn't be the case. It is oft repeated. > > Sorry I couldn't get to Ickenham today, I had a hospital appointment. > BJ > > > On Wed, 3 Jul 2019, 21:24 Nick Ware via Tech1, > wrote: > >> It?s true about the Studio F tank. I remember being told it couldn?t be >> used as a TV studio because the floor wouldn?t take the weight. >> Sadly, I couldn?t make it to Ickenham today. We have decorators in ATM >> and kitchen and bathroom planners, and on top of all that, double glazing >> repairs. Tempted to leave them all to it, but thought better not. >> Hope somebody took pix. >> Cheers, >> Nick. >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On 3 2019, at 21:07, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: >> >> When I was taken to LG on my first day at TVC, having to transferred to >> TVC from Brum radio, Laurie Duly told me that Studio 'F' had contained the >> water tank for the 'Cruel Sea' movie in the Gaumont days there (and also >> 'Morning Departure', another sea-warfare film). It was certainly used as a >> props store in my time and also where we stored the TOTP Vox amps and >> loudspeakers when the MU insisted that miming was out and the groups had >> use real equipment! Then ensued a big arguement with the scene boys >> insisting that such equipment was props and we insisted it was sound >> gear!!! Thinking back, looking at the sound-proofing of the walls it must >> have been very dodgy to say the least, although it was probably before >> asbestos has been invented! Cheers, Dave. PS Just had a most pleasurable >> lunch in Ickenham where there was an amazing attendance of John Barlow and >> Geoff Feld! I told Geoff that it must be a TV5 reunion! Happy Days! >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> > > On Wed, 3 Jul 2019, 21:24 Nick Ware via Tech1, > wrote: > >> It?s true about the Studio F tank. I remember being told it couldn?t be >> used as a TV studio because the floor wouldn?t take the weight. >> Sadly, I couldn?t make it to Ickenham today. We have decorators in ATM >> and kitchen and bathroom planners, and on top of all that, double glazing >> repairs. Tempted to leave them all to it, but thought better not. >> Hope somebody took pix. >> Cheers, >> Nick. >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On 3 Jul 2019, at 21:07, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: >> >> When I was taken to LG on my first day at TVC, having to transferred to >> TVC from Brum radio, Laurie Duly told me that Studio 'F' had contained the >> water tank for the 'Cruel Sea' movie in the Gaumont days there (and also >> 'Morning Departure', another sea-warfare film). It was certainly used as a >> props store in my time and also where we stored the TOTP Vox amps and >> loudspeakers when the MU insisted that miming was out and the groups had >> use real equipment! Then ensued a big arguement with the scene boys >> insisting that such equipment was props and we insisted it was sound >> gear!!! Thinking back, looking at the sound-proofing of the walls it must >> have been very dodgy to say the least, although it was probably before >> asbestos has been invented! Cheers, Dave. PS Just had a most pleasurable >> lunch in Ickenham where there was an amazing attendance of John Barlow and >> Geoff Feld! I told Geoff that it must be a TV5 reunion! Happy Days! >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rogerbunce at btinternet.com Thu Jul 4 03:30:50 2019 From: rogerbunce at btinternet.com (ROGER BUNCE) Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2019 08:30:50 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Tech1] LG In-Reply-To: References: <1AE51F7784704C4CB07A8EB896198476@Gigabyte> <97458527-e71f-50c0-150e-ec194d51f67b@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <1856601285.3693838.1562229050346@mail.yahoo.com> According to a documentary I once saw. All the big, spectacular shots in "A Night to Remember" were filmed by Joseph Goebbels Productions. Apparently, the Nazis made a big-budget film about the sinking of the Titanic. It's underlying propaganda message was about how useless the British were. By the time it was nearing completion, however, the war had turned against them, and there was a danger that viewers would interpret it as a metaphor for the decline and fall of the Third Reich. So it was never shown (maybe it was never completed). When, "A Night to Remember" was filmed, they reused all the wide shots - without crediting the Nazis. luv, Rog. On Wednesday, 3 July 2019, 23:32:35 BST, Bill Jenkin via Tech1 wrote: I'm afraid that "The Cruel Sea" being filmed in F is an urban myth. It was made in 1951 and the BBC had occupied Lime Grove since 1949. The same applies to "A Night to to Remember" (1958). Several other contenders for using the tank in Stage 4 (as F was then) can also be discounted. "Morning Departure" 1950 and filmed at Denham studios. "In Which we Serve" was the right date but was also filmed at Denham and Plymouth Naval Dockyard. The Cruel Sea was filmed at Denham in the open air tank and also at the Royal Naval Dockyard at Plymouth.? Bits were also shot at Ealing Studios. The tank under F was eventually converted into a rest room called "The Gainsborough Room" accessed from the floor below. It was of course windowless and a bit low. This was when Lime Grove was called the Topical Production Centre.? Hitchcock's "The 39 Steps" was filmed at The Grove but didn't use the tank. I was also told that The Cruel Sea had been filmed there and it was many years before I realised that it couldn't be the case. It is oft repeated. Sorry I couldn't get to Ickenham today, I had a hospital appointment.BJ On Wed, 3 Jul 2019, 21:24 Nick Ware via Tech1, wrote: It?s true about the Studio F tank. I remember being told it couldn?t be used as a TV studio because the floor wouldn?t take the weight.Sadly, I couldn?t make it to Ickenham today. We have decorators in ATM and kitchen and bathroom planners, and on top of all that, double glazing repairs. Tempted to leave them all to it, but thought better not.Hope somebody took pix. Cheers,Nick. Sent from my iPad On 3 2019, at 21:07, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: When I was taken to LG on my first day at TVC, having to transferred to TVC from Brum radio, Laurie Duly told me that Studio 'F' had contained the water tank for the 'Cruel Sea' movie in the Gaumont days there (and also 'Morning Departure', another sea-warfare film). It was certainly used as a props store in my time and also where we stored the TOTP Vox amps and loudspeakers when the MU insisted that miming was out and the groups had use real equipment! Then ensued a big arguement with the scene boys insisting that such equipment was props and we insisted it was sound gear!!! Thinking back, looking at the sound-proofing of the walls it must have been very dodgy to say the least, although it was probably before asbestos has been invented! Cheers, Dave. PS Just had a most pleasurable lunch in Ickenham where there was an amazing attendance of John Barlow and Geoff Feld! I told Geoff that it must be a TV5 reunion! Happy Days! -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk On Wed, 3 Jul 2019, 21:24 Nick Ware via Tech1, wrote: It?s true about the Studio F tank. I remember being told it couldn?t be used as a TV studio because the floor wouldn?t take the weight.Sadly, I couldn?t make it to Ickenham today. We have decorators in ATM and kitchen and bathroom planners, and on top of all that, double glazing repairs. Tempted to leave them all to it, but thought better not.Hope somebody took pix. Cheers,Nick. Sent from my iPad On 3 Jul 2019, at 21:07, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: When I was taken to LG on my first day at TVC, having to transferred to TVC from Brum radio, Laurie Duly told me that Studio 'F' had contained the water tank for the 'Cruel Sea' movie in the Gaumont days there (and also 'Morning Departure', another sea-warfare film). It was certainly used as a props store in my time and also where we stored the TOTP Vox amps and loudspeakers when the MU insisted that miming was out and the groups had use real equipment! Then ensued a big arguement with the scene boys insisting that such equipment was props and we insisted it was sound gear!!! Thinking back, looking at the sound-proofing of the walls it must have been very dodgy to say the least, although it was probably before asbestos has been invented! Cheers, Dave. PS Just had a most pleasurable lunch in Ickenham where there was an amazing attendance of John Barlow and Geoff Feld! I told Geoff that it must be a TV5 reunion! Happy Days! -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From davidvbrunt at gmail.com Thu Jul 4 04:01:09 2019 From: davidvbrunt at gmail.com (David Brunt) Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2019 10:01:09 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] LG In-Reply-To: <1856601285.3693838.1562229050346@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1AE51F7784704C4CB07A8EB896198476@Gigabyte><97458527-e71f-50c0-150e-ec194d51f67b@btinternet.com> <1856601285.3693838.1562229050346@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <07C7A74645D24AFDA69F9DB003667C73@AdminPC> The Nazi Titanic film was made and released in 1940. It?s also had a DVD release, though now out of print. https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Nazi-Titanic-History-DVD-PAL-REGION-2-NEW-SEALED/382978971196?hash=item592b53563c:g:bGsAAOSwFYBc7sG~ A Night to Remember reused some of the 1940 footage (the flooding of the engine room was one) but did film quite a lot of model work of their own. Probably much less than five minutes was reused film. As you?d expect from Nazi propaganda, it was a very thinly disguised attack on capitalism, and the inevitable Jewish ship owners. It?s also a bit of a potboiler. David From: ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 Sent: Thursday, July 04, 2019 9:30 AM To: Tech-Ops. co. uk email group Subject: Re: [Tech1] LG According to a documentary I once saw. All the big, spectacular shots in "A Night to Remember" were filmed by Joseph Goebbels Productions. Apparently, the Nazis made a big-budget film about the sinking of the Titanic. It's underlying propaganda message was about how useless the British were. By the time it was nearing completion, however, the war had turned against them, and there was a danger that viewers would interpret it as a metaphor for the decline and fall of the Third Reich. So it was never shown (maybe it was never completed). When, "A Night to Remember" was filmed, they reused all the wide shots - without crediting the Nazis. luv, Rog. On Wednesday, 3 July 2019, 23:32:35 BST, Bill Jenkin via Tech1 wrote: I'm afraid that "The Cruel Sea" being filmed in F is an urban myth. It was made in 1951 and the BBC had occupied Lime Grove since 1949. The same applies to "A Night to to Remember" (1958). Several other contenders for using the tank in Stage 4 (as F was then) can also be discounted. "Morning Departure" 1950 and filmed at Denham studios. "In Which we Serve" was the right date but was also filmed at Denham and Plymouth Naval Dockyard. The Cruel Sea was filmed at Denham in the open air tank and also at the Royal Naval Dockyard at Plymouth. Bits were also shot at Ealing Studios. The tank under F was eventually converted into a rest room called "The Gainsborough Room" accessed from the floor below. It was of course windowless and a bit low. This was when Lime Grove was called the Topical Production Centre. Hitchcock's "The 39 Steps" was filmed at The Grove but didn't use the tank. I was also told that The Cruel Sea had been filmed there and it was many years before I realised that it couldn't be the case. It is oft repeated. Sorry I couldn't get to Ickenham today, I had a hospital appointment. BJ On Wed, 3 Jul 2019, 21:24 Nick Ware via Tech1, wrote: It?s true about the Studio F tank. I remember being told it couldn?t be used as a TV studio because the floor wouldn?t take the weight. Sadly, I couldn?t make it to Ickenham today. We have decorators in ATM and kitchen and bathroom planners, and on top of all that, double glazing repairs. Tempted to leave them all to it, but thought better not. Hope somebody took pix. Cheers, Nick. Sent from my iPad On 3 2019, at 21:07, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: When I was taken to LG on my first day at TVC, having to transferred to TVC from Brum radio, Laurie Duly told me that Studio 'F' had contained the water tank for the 'Cruel Sea' movie in the Gaumont days there (and also 'Morning Departure', another sea-warfare film). It was certainly used as a props store in my time and also where we stored the TOTP Vox amps and loudspeakers when the MU insisted that miming was out and the groups had use real equipment! Then ensued a big arguement with the scene boys insisting that such equipment was props and we insisted it was sound gear!!! Thinking back, looking at the sound-proofing of the walls it must have been very dodgy to say the least, although it was probably before asbestos has been invented! Cheers, Dave. PS Just had a most pleasurable lunch in Ickenham where there was an amazing attendance of John Barlow and Geoff Feld! I told Geoff that it must be a TV5 reunion! Happy Days! -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk On Wed, 3 Jul 2019, 21:24 Nick Ware via Tech1, wrote: It?s true about the Studio F tank. I remember being told it couldn?t be used as a TV studio because the floor wouldn?t take the weight. Sadly, I couldn?t make it to Ickenham today. We have decorators in ATM and kitchen and bathroom planners, and on top of all that, double glazing repairs. Tempted to leave them all to it, but thought better not. Hope somebody took pix. Cheers, Nick. Sent from my iPad On 3 Jul 2019, at 21:07, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: When I was taken to LG on my first day at TVC, having to transferred to TVC from Brum radio, Laurie Duly told me that Studio 'F' had contained the water tank for the 'Cruel Sea' movie in the Gaumont days there (and also 'Morning Departure', another sea-warfare film). It was certainly used as a props store in my time and also where we stored the TOTP Vox amps and loudspeakers when the MU insisted that miming was out and the groups had use real equipment! Then ensued a big arguement with the scene boys insisting that such equipment was props and we insisted it was sound gear!!! Thinking back, looking at the sound-proofing of the walls it must have been very dodgy to say the least, although it was probably before asbestos has been invented! Cheers, Dave. PS Just had a most pleasurable lunch in Ickenham where there was an amazing attendance of John Barlow and Geoff Feld! I told Geoff that it must be a TV5 reunion! 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URL: From graeme.wall at icloud.com Thu Jul 4 04:05:35 2019 From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall) Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2019 10:05:35 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] LG In-Reply-To: <1856601285.3693838.1562229050346@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1AE51F7784704C4CB07A8EB896198476@Gigabyte> <97458527-e71f-50c0-150e-ec194d51f67b@btinternet.com> <1856601285.3693838.1562229050346@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5B56881D-369C-4D2F-BF75-F521D6E3EEC4@icloud.com> Some scenes from the Nazi version used to be shown at he Titanic exhibition in Southampton. The main theme appeared to be the chattering classes/aristocracy and the Jews took all the lifeboats leaving the ?real? Englishmen (sic) to drown. Two ironies there, Gobbels desperately wanted to be accepted by the Aristocracy, both in UK and Germany; and the ?real English? in third class were overwhelmingly East Europeans and Irish emigrants. ? Graeme Wall > On 4 Jul 2019, at 09:30, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 wrote: > > According to a documentary I once saw. All the big, spectacular shots in "A Night to Remember" were filmed by Joseph Goebbels Productions. Apparently, the Nazis made a big-budget film about the sinking of the Titanic. It's underlying propaganda message was about how useless the British were. By the time it was nearing completion, however, the war had turned against them, and there was a danger that viewers would interpret it as a metaphor for the decline and fall of the Third Reich. So it was never shown (maybe it was never completed). When, "A Night to Remember" was filmed, they reused all the wide shots - without crediting the Nazis. > > luv, Rog. > > > On Wednesday, 3 July 2019, 23:32:35 BST, Bill Jenkin via Tech1 wrote: > > > I'm afraid that "The Cruel Sea" being filmed in F is an urban myth. It was made in 1951 and the BBC had occupied Lime Grove since 1949. The same applies to "A Night to to Remember" (1958). Several other contenders for using the tank in Stage 4 (as F was then) can also be discounted. "Morning Departure" 1950 and filmed at Denham studios. "In Which we Serve" was the right date but was also filmed at Denham and Plymouth Naval Dockyard. > > The Cruel Sea was filmed at Denham in the open air tank and also at the Royal Naval Dockyard at Plymouth. Bits were also shot at Ealing Studios. > > The tank under F was eventually converted into a rest room called "The Gainsborough Room" accessed from the floor below. It was of course windowless and a bit low. This was when Lime Grove was called the Topical Production Centre. > > Hitchcock's "The 39 Steps" was filmed at The Grove but didn't use the tank. > > I was also told that The Cruel Sea had been filmed there and it was many years before I realised that it couldn't be the case. It is oft repeated. > > Sorry I couldn't get to Ickenham today, I had a hospital appointment. > BJ > > > On Wed, 3 Jul 2019, 21:24 Nick Ware via Tech1, wrote: > It?s true about the Studio F tank. I remember being told it couldn?t be used as a TV studio because the floor wouldn?t take the weight. > Sadly, I couldn?t make it to Ickenham today. We have decorators in ATM and kitchen and bathroom planners, and on top of all that, double glazing repairs. Tempted to leave them all to it, but thought better not. > Hope somebody took pix. > Cheers, > Nick. > Sent from my iPad > > On 3 2019, at 21:07, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: > >> When I was taken to LG on my first day at TVC, having to transferred to TVC from Brum radio, Laurie Duly told me that Studio 'F' had contained the water tank for the 'Cruel Sea' movie in the Gaumont days there (and also 'Morning Departure', another sea-warfare film). It was certainly used as a props store in my time and also where we stored the TOTP Vox amps and loudspeakers when the MU insisted that miming was out and the groups had use real equipment! Then ensued a big arguement with the scene boys insisting that such equipment was props and we insisted it was sound gear!!! Thinking back, looking at the sound-proofing of the walls it must have been very dodgy to say the least, although it was probably before asbestos has been invented! Cheers, Dave. PS Just had a most pleasurable lunch in Ickenham where there was an amazing attendance of John Barlow and Geoff Feld! I told Geoff that it must be a TV5 reunion! Happy Days! >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > On Wed, 3 Jul 2019, 21:24 Nick Ware via Tech1, wrote: > It?s true about the Studio F tank. I remember being told it couldn?t be used as a TV studio because the floor wouldn?t take the weight. > Sadly, I couldn?t make it to Ickenham today. We have decorators in ATM and kitchen and bathroom planners, and on top of all that, double glazing repairs. Tempted to leave them all to it, but thought better not. > Hope somebody took pix. > Cheers, > Nick. > Sent from my iPad > > On 3 Jul 2019, at 21:07, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: > >> When I was taken to LG on my first day at TVC, having to transferred to TVC from Brum radio, Laurie Duly told me that Studio 'F' had contained the water tank for the 'Cruel Sea' movie in the Gaumont days there (and also 'Morning Departure', another sea-warfare film). It was certainly used as a props store in my time and also where we stored the TOTP Vox amps and loudspeakers when the MU insisted that miming was out and the groups had use real equipment! Then ensued a big arguement with the scene boys insisting that such equipment was props and we insisted it was sound gear!!! Thinking back, looking at the sound-proofing of the walls it must have been very dodgy to say the least, although it was probably before asbestos has been invented! Cheers, Dave. PS Just had a most pleasurable lunch in Ickenham where there was an amazing attendance of John Barlow and Geoff Feld! I told Geoff that it must be a TV5 reunion! Happy Days! >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From david.jasma at sky.com Thu Jul 4 07:01:39 2019 From: david.jasma at sky.com (Dave Buckley) Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2019 13:01:39 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Various Films.... Message-ID: <000601d53260$3d557e80$b8007b80$@sky.com> I was interested in reading the various comments about films that were supposed to have been made at LG, so I check other sources.... A Night to Remember: made at Pinewood. https://www.reelstreets.com/films/night-to-remember-a/ has some then and now shots of locations which appeared at the start of the film. Roger is correct - four clips from the Nazi propaganda film Titanic (1943) were used in this film - two of the ship sailing in calm waters during the day, and two of a flooding walkway in the engine room. After the ship leaves Southampton, and we see the caption April 14, the shots of the Titanic and the passengers on deck were taken from Titanic (1943), a Nazi propaganda film. The shots of survivors trying to get into boats was filmed at Ruislip Lido, and a bit of trivia - at least 28 members of the cast went on to appear in Z Cars (1962) The Cruel Sea - an Ealing film production (no mention of Denham). https://www.reelstreets.com/films/the-cruel-sea/ has some then and now shots of Devonport location. www.imdb.com is a good source of information for feature films. Dave Buckley --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From paulvictork at uwclub.net Thu Jul 4 08:49:40 2019 From: paulvictork at uwclub.net (paulvictork at uwclub.net) Date: Thu, 04 Jul 2019 13:49:40 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: Lunch Message-ID: <1562248180.e0il1y8tcgs0w88g@webmail.uwclub.net>   -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Lunch Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2019 19:41:34 +0000 From: paulvictork at uwclub.net To: tech1 at techops.co.uk Excellent meeting many of my former colleagues fo lunch at the Coach and Horses. Thank Barry for organising it. Many thanks to John Hoare who gave me a lift. Looking forward to the next one especially if it is the same venue. Best wishes to all Paul Kay  -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bernie833 at gmail.com Thu Jul 4 09:42:38 2019 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2019 15:42:38 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: Lunch In-Reply-To: <1562248180.e0il1y8tcgs0w88g@webmail.uwclub.net> References: <1562248180.e0il1y8tcgs0w88g@webmail.uwclub.net> Message-ID: Hi Paul Next time will be at the Hornimans again, as it's very central and people can get there from all over. B On Thu, 4 Jul 2019, 14:50 paulvictork--- via Tech1, wrote: > > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Lunch > Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2019 19:41:34 +0000 > From: paulvictork at uwclub.net > To: tech1 at techops.co.uk > > > > Excellent meeting many of my former colleagues fo lunch at the Coach and > Horses. Thank Barry for organising it. Many thanks to John Hoare who gave > me a lift. Looking forward to the next one especially if it is the same > venue. Best wishes to all Paul Kay > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bernie833 at gmail.com Thu Jul 4 10:17:41 2019 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2019 16:17:41 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: Lunch In-Reply-To: References: <1562248180.e0il1y8tcgs0w88g@webmail.uwclub.net> Message-ID: <150f297f-35ad-e637-5a42-dbe9d466815d@ntlworld.com> .... though of course, anyone can disorganise at any time. How about a trip to Marlow, set up by the locals there? B On 04/07/2019 15:42, Bernard Newnham wrote: > Hi Paul > Next time will be at the Hornimans again, as it's very central and > people can get there from all over. > B > > On Thu, 4 Jul 2019, 14:50 paulvictork--- via Tech1, > > wrote: > > > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Lunch > Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2019 19:41:34 +0000 > From: paulvictork at uwclub.net > To: tech1 at techops.co.uk > > > > Excellent meeting many of my former colleagues fo lunch at the > Coach and Horses. Thank Barry for organising it. Many thanks to > John Hoare who gave me a lift. Looking forward to the next one > especially if it is the same venue. Best wishes to all Paul Kay > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From geoffletch at gmail.com Thu Jul 4 14:03:59 2019 From: geoffletch at gmail.com (Geoff Fletcher) Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2019 20:03:59 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: Lunch In-Reply-To: <150f297f-35ad-e637-5a42-dbe9d466815d@ntlworld.com> References: <1562248180.e0il1y8tcgs0w88g@webmail.uwclub.net> <150f297f-35ad-e637-5a42-dbe9d466815d@ntlworld.com> Message-ID: Anybody fancy a trip to Norwich? Jules Greenway, Pete Eveson, Paul Baldwin, Paul Markwell, Spencer Chapman, Stan Thorpe?s son Steve, me and others are all Norfolk locals. Loads of excellent venues. Fancy a trip to the exotic East? 2 hours by road tops from London and dual carriageway all the way, and 1 hour 50 mins by train from Liverpool Street. Geoff F On Thu, 4 Jul 2019 at 16:18, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: > .... though of course, anyone can disorganise at any time. How about a > trip to Marlow, set up by the locals there? > > > B > > > > On 04/07/2019 15:42, Bernard Newnham wrote: > > Hi Paul > Next time will be at the Hornimans again, as it's very central and people > can get there from all over. > B > > On Thu, 4 Jul 2019, 14:50 paulvictork--- via Tech1, > wrote: > >> >> >> -------- Original Message -------- >> Subject: Lunch >> Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2019 19:41:34 +0000 >> From: paulvictork at uwclub.net >> To: tech1 at techops.co.uk >> >> >> >> Excellent meeting many of my former colleagues fo lunch at the Coach and >> Horses. Thank Barry for organising it. Many thanks to John Hoare who gave >> me a lift. Looking forward to the next one especially if it is the same >> venue. Best wishes to all Paul Kay >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From teateatone2 at gmail.com Thu Jul 4 15:43:42 2019 From: teateatone2 at gmail.com (Tony Grant) Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2019 21:43:42 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: Lunch In-Reply-To: References: <1562248180.e0il1y8tcgs0w88g@webmail.uwclub.net> <150f297f-35ad-e637-5a42-dbe9d466815d@ntlworld.com> Message-ID: And if you want to go to the wild West, I am having lunch on Bangor pier every Thursday during the summer, WEATHER PERMITTING, along with various friends, mostly local U3A. Sorry, you'll have to bring your own seagull and seaweed sandwiches, unless you want to avail yourself of the award winning cafe on the pier, the Whistlestop, although its opening hours can be, let's be generous, unpredictable (yes, just like the weather). On Thu, Jul 4, 2019 at 8:04 PM Geoff Fletcher via Tech1 < tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote: > Anybody fancy a trip to Norwich? Jules Greenway, Pete Eveson, Paul > Baldwin, Paul Markwell, Spencer Chapman, Stan Thorpe?s son Steve, me and > others are all Norfolk locals. Loads of excellent venues. Fancy a trip to > the exotic East? 2 hours by road tops from London and dual carriageway > all the way, and 1 hour 50 mins by train from Liverpool Street. > Geoff F > > On Thu, 4 Jul 2019 at 16:18, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 < > tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote: > >> .... though of course, anyone can disorganise at any time. How about a >> trip to Marlow, set up by the locals there? >> >> >> B >> >> >> >> On 04/07/2019 15:42, Bernard Newnham wrote: >> >> Hi Paul >> Next time will be at the Hornimans again, as it's very central and people >> can get there from all over. >> B >> >> On Thu, 4 Jul 2019, 14:50 paulvictork--- via Tech1, >> wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> -------- Original Message -------- >>> Subject: Lunch >>> Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2019 19:41:34 +0000 >>> From: paulvictork at uwclub.net >>> To: tech1 at techops.co.uk >>> >>> >>> >>> Excellent meeting many of my former colleagues fo lunch at the Coach and >>> Horses. Thank Barry for organising it. Many thanks to John Hoare who gave >>> me a lift. Looking forward to the next one especially if it is the same >>> venue. 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The Commander bawled them out and one of the group went over to him. They talked for a few minutes, shook hands, and Jack Hawkins then returned to the group and the Commander went on his way! Dave Buckley --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From pat.heigham at amps.net Fri Jul 5 08:08:04 2019 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2019 14:08:04 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Cruel Sea In-Reply-To: <000301d532a9$e1885dd0$a4991970$@sky.com> References: <000301d532a9$e1885dd0$a4991970$@sky.com> Message-ID: <5d1f4bb2.1c69fb81.c0a0f.7e27@mx.google.com> Ah! Actors in uniform! I worked on ?Enemy at the Door? on a LWT shoot in Jersey. Loads of extras in German uniforms. They got some filthy looks from the locals! Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Dave Buckley via Tech1 Sent: 04 July 2019 21:49 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: [Tech1] Cruel Sea One of the Commanders of the Devonport dockyard told the following story against himself..... He was walking round the yard and came across a group of officers having as smoke with their ties loosened and their jackets undone - overall the group looked untidy to say the least. The Commander bawled them out and one of the group went over to him. They talked for a few minutes, shook hands, and Jack Hawkins then returned to the group and the Commander went on his way! Dave Buckley --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: David Brunt via Tech1 Sent: 03 July 2019 17:18 To: Mike Jordan; Tech-Ops-chit-chat Subject: Re: [Tech1] 50 years since Lulu the elephant apeared at LG Was LG G on the second floor??? How did the presenters manage to drive out of studio in an MG at the end of the same Lulu episode? ? From: Mike Jordan via Tech1 Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2019 5:05 PM To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat Subject: [Tech1] 50 years since Lulu the elephant apeared at LG ? See the attached for a few laughs. Sorry Page 11 also contains pointless bits! ? Mike -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Alan. ________________________________ From: Tech1 on behalf of patheigham via Tech1 Sent: 05 July 2019 14:08 To: Dave Buckley; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Cruel Sea Ah! Actors in uniform! I worked on ?Enemy at the Door? on a LWT shoot in Jersey. Loads of extras in German uniforms. They got some filthy looks from the locals! Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Dave Buckley via Tech1 Sent: 04 July 2019 21:49 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: [Tech1] Cruel Sea One of the Commanders of the Devonport dockyard told the following story against himself..... He was walking round the yard and came across a group of officers having as smoke with their ties loosened and their jackets undone - overall the group looked untidy to say the least. The Commander bawled them out and one of the group went over to him. They talked for a few minutes, shook hands, and Jack Hawkins then returned to the group and the Commander went on his way! Dave Buckley --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk [https://ipmcdn.avast.com/images/icons/icon-envelope-tick-round-orange-animated-no-repeat-v1.gif] Virus-free. www.avast.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From barrybonner119 at btinternet.com Fri Jul 5 09:20:47 2019 From: barrybonner119 at btinternet.com (Barry Bonner) Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2019 15:20:47 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Cruel Sea In-Reply-To: References: <000301d532a9$e1885dd0$a4991970$@sky.com>, <5d1f4bb2.1c69fb81.c0a0f.7e27@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <1DD64B66-9244-40AA-B20E-9A150F3408A7@btinternet.com> ?Secret Army? were shooting one Sunday in Wandsworth using the Town Hall as the Gestapo base. It flew the swastika on the flagpole all day, not one member of the public seemed to notice or complained! Barry. On 5 Jul 2019, at 15:04, alan machin via Tech1 wrote: > I didn't work on it myself, but I remember hearing about a location shoot on an army base involving actors dressed in army uniform. > Come lunchtime the actors playing officers were invited to the officers' mess while all other ranks ate with the crew! > Having had some pretty good lunches from location caterers I'm not sure who got the best deal, but perhaps drinks flowed in the officers' mess... > Alan. > From: Tech1 on behalf of patheigham via Tech1 > Sent: 05 July 2019 14:08 > To: Dave Buckley; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > Subject: Re: [Tech1] Cruel Sea > > Ah! Actors in uniform! > I worked on ?Enemy at the Door? on a LWT shoot in Jersey. Loads of extras in German uniforms. They got some filthy looks from the locals! > Pat > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > From: Dave Buckley via Tech1 > Sent: 04 July 2019 21:49 > To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > Subject: [Tech1] Cruel Sea > > One of the Commanders of the Devonport dockyard told the following story > against himself..... > > He was walking round the yard and came across a group of officers having as > smoke with their ties loosened and their jackets undone - overall the group > looked untidy to say the least. > > The Commander bawled them out and one of the group went over to him. 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Two mounted Guards horses. Standing perfectly still. On air, one had an erection, and the other one pee'd. Gallons. And melted the painted floor. And the Heron crane got stuck. Lovely safe view from the boom. -- *Everyone has a photographic memory. Some don't have film * Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From j at howell61.f9.co.uk Fri Jul 5 11:06:13 2019 From: j at howell61.f9.co.uk (John Howell) Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2019 17:06:13 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] 50 years since Lulu the elephant apeared at LG In-Reply-To: References: <1AE51F7784704C4CB07A8EB896198476@Gigabyte> Message-ID: Dave, Nobody has commented on your remarkable semi-cutaway of Lime Grove dating from 1950. I have a feeling that it didn't get to the list so I have attached it to this email hopefully this time for all to enjoy. Regards, Joh. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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On 5 Jul 2019, at 17:06, John Howell via Tech1 wrote: > Dave, > > Nobody has commented on your remarkable semi-cutaway of Lime Grove dating from 1950. > > I have a feeling that it didn't get to the list so I have attached it to this email hopefully this time for all to enjoy. > > Regards, > > Joh. > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net Fri Jul 5 12:01:16 2019 From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt) Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2019 18:01:16 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] 50 years since Lulu the elephant apeared at LG In-Reply-To: References: <1AE51F7784704C4CB07A8EB896198476@Gigabyte> Message-ID: <406297BBD3164592A401813D417B49D4@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> Thanks for that John as it was also my feeling that it got nowhere very much. In fact there have been a few things that I thought might have stirred a little interest but didn?t so, rather than plug away as if I?m trying for the Oscar, I?ve let things die naturally! Best regards, Dave N. From: John Howell Sent: Friday, July 5, 2019 5:06 PM To: David Newbitt ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] 50 years since Lulu the elephant apeared at LG Dave, Nobody has commented on your remarkable semi-cutaway of Lime Grove dating from 1950. I have a feeling that it didn't get to the list so I have attached it to this email hopefully this time for all to enjoy. Regards, Joh. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Fri Jul 5 12:08:00 2019 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2019 18:08:00 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] LG cut-out In-Reply-To: <406297BBD3164592A401813D417B49D4@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> References: <1AE51F7784704C4CB07A8EB896198476@Gigabyte> <406297BBD3164592A401813D417B49D4@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> Message-ID: <69602028-09c7-f64c-ac56-97ece13c9c43@btinternet.com> Sorry Dave, but I never saw it! I assume that studios A,B and C were at AP? Cheers, Dave From relong at btinternet.com Fri Jul 5 12:18:27 2019 From: relong at btinternet.com (Roger E Long) Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2019 18:18:27 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] LG In-Reply-To: <97458527-e71f-50c0-150e-ec194d51f67b@btinternet.com> References: <1AE51F7784704C4CB07A8EB896198476@Gigabyte> <97458527-e71f-50c0-150e-ec194d51f67b@btinternet.com> Message-ID: We had a tank at TFS A We filmed Robin Knox Johnstone and a capsized Suhali in it He said it was worse than the real event 400 gallons of cold rats dropping water could be chuted down onto any set in it That could be unnerving , we had filmed Capt Cook in the Virgin Islands and Samoa The close ups were in the tank and it was mid Feb , no heating? We also did Tony Bulimores capsize , he again said it was worse than the real thing. Also Eric Sykes in a submarine perhaps The miracle of film?. They built Colditz Castle above it as well?. Roger > On 3 Jul 2019, at 21:06, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: > > When I was taken to LG on my first day at TVC, having to transferred to TVC from Brum radio, Laurie Duly told me that Studio 'F' had contained the water tank for the 'Cruel Sea' movie in the Gaumont days there (and also 'Morning Departure', another sea-warfare film). It was certainly used as a props store in my time and also where we stored the TOTP Vox amps and loudspeakers when the MU insisted that miming was out and the groups had use real equipment! Then ensued a big arguement with the scene boys insisting that such equipment was props and we insisted it was sound gear!!! Thinking back, looking at the sound-proofing of the walls it must have been very dodgy to say the least, although it was probably before asbestos has been invented! Cheers, Dave. PS Just had a most pleasurable lunch in Ickenham where there was an amazing attendance of John Barlow and Geoff Feld! I told Geoff that it must be a TV5 reunion! Happy Days! > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From davidvbrunt at gmail.com Fri Jul 5 12:34:18 2019 From: davidvbrunt at gmail.com (David Brunt) Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2019 18:34:18 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] LG In-Reply-To: References: <1AE51F7784704C4CB07A8EB896198476@Gigabyte> <97458527-e71f-50c0-150e-ec194d51f67b@btinternet.com> Message-ID: The Ealing tank was under Stage 3 a/b. Must still be there. It was still being used up to 1983 or so when the BBC left, turning up in all manner of programmes. It was also used for 'Porridge', with the upper levels of the prison on the ground level. The lowest open area level in the empty tank. -----Original Message----- From: Roger E Long Sent: Friday, July 05, 2019 6:18 PM To: dave.mdv Cc: David Brunt ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] LG We had a tank at TFS A We filmed Robin Knox Johnstone and a capsized Suhali in it He said it was worse than the real event 400 gallons of cold rats dropping water could be chuted down onto any set in it That could be unnerving , we had filmed Capt Cook in the Virgin Islands and Samoa The close ups were in the tank and it was mid Feb , no heating? We also did Tony Bulimores capsize , he again said it was worse than the real thing. Also Eric Sykes in a submarine perhaps The miracle of film?. They built Colditz Castle above it as well?. Roger > On 3 Jul 2019, at 21:06, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: > > When I was taken to LG on my first day at TVC, having to transferred to > TVC from Brum radio, Laurie Duly told me that Studio 'F' had contained the > water tank for the 'Cruel Sea' movie in the Gaumont days there (and also > 'Morning Departure', another sea-warfare film). It was certainly used as a > props store in my time and also where we stored the TOTP Vox amps and > loudspeakers when the MU insisted that miming was out and the groups had > use real equipment! Then ensued a big arguement with the scene boys > insisting that such equipment was props and we insisted it was sound > gear!!! Thinking back, looking at the sound-proofing of the walls it must > have been very dodgy to say the least, although it was probably before > asbestos has been invented! Cheers, Dave. PS Just had a most pleasurable > lunch in Ickenham where there was an amazing attendance of John Barlow and > Geoff Feld! I told Geoff that it must be a TV5 reunion! Happy Days! > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From gary_critcher at yahoo.com Fri Jul 5 13:13:03 2019 From: gary_critcher at yahoo.com (Gary Critcher) Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2019 18:13:03 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Tech1] Fw: ... In-Reply-To: <1404189661.1212293.1562319703679@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1404189661.1212293.1562319703679.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1404189661.1212293.1562319703679@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1900375151.5001630.1562350383507@mail.yahoo.com> On behalf of VT Current Ops stalwart John James, he's asked me if anyone here may have any idea what these are and what they were used for ? many thanks indeed! all the best,?????????? Gary C ----- ?... -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: IMG-20190704-WA0005.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 202938 bytes Desc: not available URL: From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Fri Jul 5 13:24:12 2019 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2019 19:24:12 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Fw: ... In-Reply-To: <1900375151.5001630.1562350383507@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1404189661.1212293.1562319703679.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1404189661.1212293.1562319703679@mail.yahoo.com> <1900375151.5001630.1562350383507@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6864d2a1-8d73-bd12-4a91-63693e686779@btinternet.com> There's an obvious answer but I would be in trouble again if I linked them to make-up department! Cheers, Dave From waresound at msn.com Fri Jul 5 13:44:40 2019 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2019 18:44:40 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Fw: ... In-Reply-To: <6864d2a1-8d73-bd12-4a91-63693e686779@btinternet.com> References: <1404189661.1212293.1562319703679.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1404189661.1212293.1562319703679@mail.yahoo.com> <1900375151.5001630.1562350383507@mail.yahoo.com>, <6864d2a1-8d73-bd12-4a91-63693e686779@btinternet.com> Message-ID: Scary! Anyone care to take gues at what this is?![image1.jpeg] Sent from my iPad On 5 Jul 2019, at 19:24, dave.mdv via Tech1 > wrote: There's an obvious answer but I would be in trouble again if I linked them to make-up department! Cheers, Dave -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image1.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 4364215 bytes Desc: image1.jpeg URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Fri Jul 5 14:13:19 2019 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2019 20:13:19 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Fw: ... In-Reply-To: <1900375151.5001630.1562350383507@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1404189661.1212293.1562319703679.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1404189661.1212293.1562319703679@mail.yahoo.com> <1900375151.5001630.1562350383507@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5d1fa14f.1c69fb81.241a7.ad87@mx.google.com> I wonder if they are a form of harvest flails ? although look a bit short. Used for seaparting the grain from the husk. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flail Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Gary Critcher via Tech1 Sent: 05 July 2019 19:13 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: [Tech1] Fw: ... On behalf of VT Current Ops stalwart John James, he's asked me if anyone here may have any idea what these are and what they were used for ? many thanks indeed! all the best, ?????????? Gary C ----- ?... --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: IMG-20190704-WA0005.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 202938 bytes Desc: not available URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Fri Jul 5 14:19:51 2019 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2019 20:19:51 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Fw: ... In-Reply-To: References: <1404189661.1212293.1562319703679.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1404189661.1212293.1562319703679@mail.yahoo.com> <1900375151.5001630.1562350383507@mail.yahoo.com>, <6864d2a1-8d73-bd12-4a91-63693e686779@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <5d1fa2dd.1c69fb81.7f3f8.fbef@mx.google.com> I wondered if this was a rum tot measure (Royal Navy) as the cup end suggests a measure. Maybe the pointed end is intended to be driven into the ground? Or a hole in the deck. Probably not! Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Nick Ware via Tech1 Sent: 05 July 2019 19:45 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Fw: ... Scary! Anyone care to take gues at what this is?! Sent from my iPad On 5 Jul 2019, at 19:24, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: There's an obvious answer but I would be in trouble again if I linked them to make-up department! Cheers, Dave -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image1.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 4364215 bytes Desc: not available URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Fri Jul 5 15:23:38 2019 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2019 21:23:38 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] LG In-Reply-To: References: <1AE51F7784704C4CB07A8EB896198476@Gigabyte> <97458527-e71f-50c0-150e-ec194d51f67b@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <5d1fb1c9.1c69fb81.cf265.b9ad@mx.google.com> One job I had was to rig the tank stage at Shepperton with PA. (?Eye of the Needle?) After a weekend?s work I was asked to stay on for a shoot on the Watercress line ? trains, lovely. This was a film starring Donald Sutherland as a Nazi agent operating in England during WW2. The agent had to jump off the train, night shot. No sound effects were required, as these had all been picked up previously, and my job was to look after all the W/T kit. As I didn?t fancy sitting in my cold car (it was November!) I offered my services as a temporary Assistant Director, with a walkie-talkie. ?Oh, Pat! Would you?? ?Yes, but one condition ? I?m the one that rides with the driver on the footplate!? (This being calculated as being possibly the warmest place!) This established ? we rehearsed in daylight, with the stunt double doing his bit. Come the night, a few takes were shot, until the engine driver asked me how many more times were we to chuff up and down. We hadn?t yet got a suitable take, so I asked him why. Apparently, the original plan had been to transport all the lighting kit up the line in the afternoon, then back to the station to pick up any extra stuff needed, where the engine would take on more water. This never happened, so the engine was running low on water. There was enough for one more run. Over the radio came the query ? what if we need one more? Driver?s answer: ?Tell ?em it?ll f*ck*ng blow up!? The next take was perfect! A classic example of one department not understanding the needs of another. Pat (and it was the warmest place ? I was very happy!) Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Roger E Long via Tech1 Sent: 05 July 2019 18:18 To: dave.mdv Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] LG We had a tank at TFS A We filmed Robin Knox Johnstone and a capsized Suhali in it He said it was worse than the real event 400 gallons of cold rats dropping water could be chuted down onto any set in it --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Fri Jul 5 15:41:17 2019 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2019 21:41:17 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] John McCririck dies Message-ID: Anyone who worked on Grandstand in LG would know him! The subs bench was largely staffed by Daily Mirror people and he was there every week. He treated his wife dreadfully, just like an MCP would, and I don't know anybody who liked him, so I surprised to see that 'tributes pour in'! We were glad to see the back of him! Cheers, Dave From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com Fri Jul 5 15:53:01 2019 From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray) Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2019 21:53:01 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] LG cut-out In-Reply-To: <69602028-09c7-f64c-ac56-97ece13c9c43@btinternet.com> References: <1AE51F7784704C4CB07A8EB896198476@Gigabyte> <406297BBD3164592A401813D417B49D4@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> <69602028-09c7-f64c-ac56-97ece13c9c43@btinternet.com> Message-ID: See "The Mythical Studio C" on the Tech Ops website! sent from my mobile phone. Apologies for any strange autocorrections. On Fri, 5 Jul 2019, 18:08 dave.mdv via Tech1, wrote: > Sorry Dave, but I never saw it! I assume that studios A,B and C were at > AP? Cheers, Dave > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Fri Jul 5 16:14:21 2019 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2019 22:14:21 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Colditz In-Reply-To: References: <1AE51F7784704C4CB07A8EB896198476@Gigabyte> <97458527-e71f-50c0-150e-ec194d51f67b@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <5d1fbdac.1c69fb81.82012.0851@mx.google.com> An USA Sports job took me to the former East Germany (I had been twice previously, before the wall came down) This time we could fly direct to Leipzig and pick up a hire car ? Hertz had knocked a window hole into the wall to do business as fast as possible. We were bound for the former Karl-Marx-Stadt now renamed back to Chemnitz. I asked my cameraman if we should navigate directly or go via the so-called motorway. We elected for cross country. Coming down off a hill, we passed a sign: ?Colditz? and sure enough, bumping over the level crossing at the station ? looking up ? there was the castle. My cameraman had another surprise ? two weeks later, he was doing a BBC Schools language programme, and went back to Colditz! The guide spoke to everyone in the courtyard, and told an earlier tale, that no-one had been able to access the door to one of the towers. Apparently, one of the tourists at the time, stepped forward with a key, and said; ?Try this? He had been a POW there. Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Roger E Long via Tech1 Sent: 05 July 2019 18:18 To: dave.mdv Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] LG They built Colditz Castle above it as well?. Roger --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Dave D -----Original Message----- From: Tech1 On Behalf Of dave.mdv via Tech1 Sent: 05 July 2019 21:41 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: [Tech1] John McCririck dies Anyone who worked on Grandstand in LG would know him! The subs bench was largely staffed by Daily Mirror people and he was there every week. He treated his wife dreadfully, just like an MCP would, and I don't know anybody who liked him, so I surprised to see that 'tributes pour in'! We were glad to see the back of him! Cheers, Dave -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com Fri Jul 5 16:47:48 2019 From: geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com (geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com) Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2019 22:47:48 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] John McCririck dies In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <004b01d5337b$497becf0$dc73c6d0$@gmail.com> I remember him from the days when we did Grandstand in D at Lime Grove. He was the noisy one doing mock commentaries on the racing, I say "mock" because as I recall they weren't for broadcast but just him attracting attention to himself. Was he from the Mirrror? I didn't realise that that's who many of them were. While we're on the subject, what happened to good old John Tidy? He was one of the nicest people there, quietly and efficiently getting on with his job and always made time for a friendly word. Was he related to the cartoonist, Bill Tidy by any chance? Geoff -----Original Message----- From: Tech1 [mailto:tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk] On Behalf Of dave.mdv via Tech1 Sent: 05 July 2019 21:41 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: [Tech1] John McCririck dies Anyone who worked on Grandstand in LG would know him! The subs bench was largely staffed by Daily Mirror people and he was there every week. He treated his wife dreadfully, just like an MCP would, and I don't know anybody who liked him, so I surprised to see that 'tributes pour in'! We were glad to see the back of him! Cheers, Dave -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From geoffletch at gmail.com Fri Jul 5 18:05:25 2019 From: geoffletch at gmail.com (Geoff Fletcher) Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2019 00:05:25 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Anyone for cheese? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Stubby Kaye on the left? Geoff F On Fri, 5 Jul 2019 at 22:39, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: > Very much of it?s time so mustn?t judge too harshly! > > [image: Kathy Kirby March 1965] > > I think I worked on some of these but can?t remember for sure. Anybody > recall this? > > Dave Newbitt. > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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From: Geoff Fletcher Sent: Saturday, July 6, 2019 12:05 AM To: David Newbitt Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Anyone for cheese? Stubby Kaye on the left? Geoff F On Fri, 5 Jul 2019 at 22:39, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: Very much of it?s time so mustn?t judge too harshly! I think I worked on some of these but can?t remember for sure. Anybody recall this? Dave Newbitt. -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Kathy%20Kirby%20March%201965[4].jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 184364 bytes Desc: not available URL: From keithwicksuk at gmail.com Sat Jul 6 01:32:54 2019 From: keithwicksuk at gmail.com (Keith Wicks) Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2019 07:32:54 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Fw: ... In-Reply-To: <5d1fa2dd.1c69fb81.7f3f8.fbef@mx.google.com> References: <1404189661.1212293.1562319703679.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1404189661.1212293.1562319703679@mail.yahoo.com> <1900375151.5001630.1562350383507@mail.yahoo.com> <6864d2a1-8d73-bd12-4a91-63693e686779@btinternet.com> <5d1fa2dd.1c69fb81.7f3f8.fbef@mx.google.com> Message-ID: I think it's a finial that fits on top of a wooden staff used on ceremonial occasions ? possibly a flag pole finial. KW On Fri, 5 Jul 2019 at 20:20, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > I wondered if this was a rum tot measure (Royal Navy) as the cup end > suggests a measure. Maybe the pointed end is intended to be driven into the > ground? Or a hole in the deck. > > Probably not! > > Pat > > > > Sent from Mail for > Windows 10 > > > > *From: *Nick Ware via Tech1 > *Sent: *05 July 2019 19:45 > *To: *tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > *Subject: *Re: [Tech1] Fw: ... > > > > Scary! Anyone care to take gues at what this is?![image: image1.jpeg] > > Sent from my iPad > > > On 5 Jul 2019, at 19:24, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: > > There's an obvious answer but I would be in trouble again if I linked them > to make-up department! Cheers, Dave > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > > > > Virus-free. > www.avast.com > > <#m_-2444032442464168854_DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Cheers, Dave From waresound at msn.com Sat Jul 6 04:04:29 2019 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2019 09:04:29 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] John McCririck dies In-Reply-To: <76f613d4-5c4e-24f6-4798-2b403692863c@btinternet.com> References: <004b01d5337b$497becf0$dc73c6d0$@gmail.com> <76f613d4-5c4e-24f6-4798-2b403692863c@btinternet.com> Message-ID: I only encountered him twice, both times at Sandown Park. The first time, we were going to be following him for much of the day, so a radio mic on him was essential. He didn?t seem keen on the idea, and liked it even less when I asked him to remove his Bic-on-a-string (remember those?), so that it didn?t constantly bash against the mic. He retorted: ?That doesn?t come off old boy. It?s part of my image!?. So it banged on the mic all day. The second time was also at Sandown. He hadn?t forgotten the first tme. Cheers, Nick. Sent from my iPad On 6 Jul 2019, at 09:24, dave.mdv via Tech1 > wrote: It was John that told me that he recruited most of the 'subs' from the Daily Mirror. In the notice about McCririck's depature it mentioned that he worked for the Sporting Life, whether that was before or after Grandstand I don't know. Cheers, Dave -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nick at nickway.co.uk Sat Jul 6 04:14:20 2019 From: nick at nickway.co.uk (Nick Way) Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2019 10:14:20 +0100 (BST) Subject: [Tech1] John McCririck dies In-Reply-To: References: <004b01d5337b$497becf0$dc73c6d0$@gmail.com> <76f613d4-5c4e-24f6-4798-2b403692863c@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <50338189.785690.1562404460203@email.ionos.co.uk> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Nick Ware via Tech1 Sent: 05 July 2019 19:45 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Fw: ... Scary! Anyone care to take gues at what this is?! Sent from my iPad On 5 Jul 2019, at 19:24, dave.mdv via Tech1 > wrote: There's an obvious answer but I would be in trouble again if I linked them to make-up department! Cheers, Dave -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk [https://ipmcdn.avast.com/images/icons/icon-envelope-tick-round-orange-animated-no-repeat-v1.gif] Virus-free. www.avast.com -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From dave at davesound.co.uk Sat Jul 6 06:04:06 2019 From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman) Date: Sat, 06 Jul 2019 12:04:06 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] John McCririck dies In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <57cf4b7930dave@davesound.co.uk> In article , dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: > Anyone who worked on Grandstand in LG would know him! The subs bench was > largely staffed by Daily Mirror people and he was there every week. He > treated his wife dreadfully, just like an MCP would, and I don't know > anybody who liked him, so I surprised to see that 'tributes pour in'! We > were glad to see the back of him! Cheers, Dave Thames at one time provided the facilities for CH4 racing. And us studio bods often got sent out to make up the numbers. McCririck was always fiddling with his radio mic and radio hand mic - so he could have private conversations. So had to have a minder at all times, as he couldn't be trusted to switch them back on when needed. A job which always went to one of us studio types. Luckily, we had one who always volunteered for this. Never did quite work out why. The rest of the 'talent' - Oaksy etc - were great fun, and a pleasure to assist. -- *A day without sunshine is like... night.* Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From billjenkin67 at gmail.com Sat Jul 6 08:05:31 2019 From: billjenkin67 at gmail.com (Bill Jenkin) Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2019 14:05:31 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] John McCririck dies In-Reply-To: <57cf4b7930dave@davesound.co.uk> References: <57cf4b7930dave@davesound.co.uk> Message-ID: <000301d533fb$7e7125d0$7b537170$@gmail.com> I told this story very recently but before John died on a Facebook group of which I know some of you are members so apologies if you have already seen it there. We were doing 'Starting Prices' in pres B one weekday afternoon. This involved the racing subs being in the studio, the only input we had on cameras was pointing at betting prices and racing results captions. There was a notice lodged somewhere round the walls of the studio which the engineers used to hand on peds when they had taken one of the cameras off for maintenance. It read something like "Danger, this pedestal is unbalanced". Using camera tape and a marker I'm afraid we altered the work "pedestal" to "Sub-editor" and hung it on the back of John McCrirrick's chair. I don't think he ever noticed, if he did he didn't say anything. Bill J From geoffletch at gmail.com Sat Jul 6 08:25:17 2019 From: geoffletch at gmail.com (Geoff Fletcher) Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2019 14:25:17 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] John Tidy In-Reply-To: References: <004b01d5337b$497becf0$dc73c6d0$@gmail.com> <76f613d4-5c4e-24f6-4798-2b403692863c@btinternet.com> Message-ID: Worked with him many times as a cameraman and later Unit Manager at Newmarket and other courses. I?m afraid he wasn?t quite my cup of tea. Geoff F On Sat, 6 Jul 2019 at 11:04, Bill Jenkin via Tech1 wrote: > I understood that he worked for the Sporting Life while he was a sub on > Grandstand. > BJ > > On Sat, 6 Jul 2019, 09:24 dave.mdv via Tech1, > wrote: > >> It was John that told me that he recruited most of the 'subs' from the >> Daily Mirror. In the notice about McCririck's depature it mentioned >> that he worked for the Sporting Life, whether that was before or after >> Grandstand I don't know. Cheers, Dave >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave at davesound.co.uk Sat Jul 6 09:05:13 2019 From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman) Date: Sat, 06 Jul 2019 15:05:13 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] John Tidy In-Reply-To: References: <004b01d5337b$497becf0$dc73c6d0$@gmail.com> <76f613d4-5c4e-24f6-4798-2b403692863c@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <57cf5c0dffdave@davesound.co.uk> An obituary I heard said he had quite a repution as an investigative reporter on Sporting Life. So perhaps more to him than simply being a 'celeb'. In article , Bill Jenkin via Tech1 wrote: > I understood that he worked for the Sporting Life while he was a sub on > Grandstand. > BJ > On Sat, 6 Jul 2019, 09:24 dave.mdv via Tech1, wrote: > > It was John that told me that he recruited most of the 'subs' from the > > Daily Mirror. In the notice about McCririck's depature it mentioned > > that he worked for the Sporting Life, whether that was before or after > > Grandstand I don't know. Cheers, Dave > > > > -- > > Tech1 mailing list > > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- *Welcome to Shit Creek - sorry, we're out of paddles* Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From barrybonner119 at btinternet.com Sat Jul 6 09:27:21 2019 From: barrybonner119 at btinternet.com (Barry Bonner) Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2019 15:27:21 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] John Tidy In-Reply-To: References: <004b01d5337b$497becf0$dc73c6d0$@gmail.com> <76f613d4-5c4e-24f6-4798-2b403692863c@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <1FA711B9-4916-4A04-B64A-BAC71A264D1A@btinternet.com> Of course you are not referring to the very affable John Tidy. Barry. On 6 Jul 2019, at 14:25, Geoff Fletcher via Tech1 wrote: > Worked with him many times as a cameraman and later Unit Manager at Newmarket and other courses. I?m afraid he wasn?t quite my cup of tea. > Geoff F > > On Sat, 6 Jul 2019 at 11:04, Bill Jenkin via Tech1 wrote: > I understood that he worked for the Sporting Life while he was a sub on Grandstand. > BJ > > On Sat, 6 Jul 2019, 09:24 dave.mdv via Tech1, wrote: > It was John that told me that he recruited most of the 'subs' from the > Daily Mirror. In the notice about McCririck's depature it mentioned > that he worked for the Sporting Life, whether that was before or after > Grandstand I don't know. Cheers, Dave > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bernie833 at gmail.com Sat Jul 6 11:04:24 2019 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2019 17:04:24 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: Auto-discard notification In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Don't understand the bounce ---------- Forwarded message --------- From: Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2019, 16:27 Subject: Auto-discard notification To: The attached message has been automatically discarded. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Garth Tucker To: Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Cc: Bcc: Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2019 16:26:46 +0100 Subject: Re: [Tech1] John McCririck dies Another anecdote, working on Grandstand one day McCririck was being his usual obnoxious self, but even more so, when a cameraman said if he didn?t shut up BBC Management would be told he was running a betting shop from the studio. He went very quiet. Garth > On 5 Jul 2019, at 21:41, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: > > Anyone who worked on Grandstand in LG would know him! The subs bench was largely staffed by Daily Mirror people and he was there every week. He treated his wife dreadfully, just like an MCP would, and I don't know anybody who liked him, so I surprised to see that 'tributes pour in'! We were glad to see the back of him! Cheers, Dave > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From keithwicksuk at gmail.com Sat Jul 6 12:08:57 2019 From: keithwicksuk at gmail.com (Keith Wicks) Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2019 18:08:57 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] John Tidy In-Reply-To: <57cf5c0dffdave@davesound.co.uk> References: <004b01d5337b$497becf0$dc73c6d0$@gmail.com> <76f613d4-5c4e-24f6-4798-2b403692863c@btinternet.com> <57cf5c0dffdave@davesound.co.uk> Message-ID: He was certainly an excellent reporter. Here's an excerpt from his obituary in the Racing Post, including why he was suited to television: In 1978 he was named specialist writer of the year at the British Press Awards, blessed with a portfolio of pieces that included coverage of the Rochester greyhound coup ? which would have bagged those behind it ?350,000 had bookmakers paid out ? and a scandal linked to betting office commentary provider Extel, whose policy to give off times by the minute not the second meant criminals were able to back dogs after races had started if the commentaries were slightly delayed. One year later McCririck was named campaigning journalist of the year, this time after persistence paid off and he proved the Tote was authorising bets following the off in order to reduce dividends. As a result of 'Totegate', home secretary Willie Whitelaw set up an independent inquiry that came close to forcing chairman Woodrow Wyatt ? almost as famous a cigar chomper as McCririck ? to quit the organisation. By now McCririck's outward demeanour was well established. He was noisy, flashy, arrogant and prone to make sexist, vulgar, outlandish statements. He was therefore perfectly suited to television. More at: https://www.racingpost.com/news/he-knew-his-audience-knew-what-they-wanted-and-knew-how-to-give-it-to-them/388289 KW On Sat, 6 Jul 2019 at 15:11, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: > An obituary I heard said he had quite a repution as an investigative > reporter on Sporting Life. So perhaps more to him than simply being a > 'celeb'. > > > In article > , > Bill Jenkin via Tech1 wrote: > > I understood that he worked for the Sporting Life while he was a sub on > > Grandstand. > > BJ > > > On Sat, 6 Jul 2019, 09:24 dave.mdv via Tech1, > wrote: > > > > It was John that told me that he recruited most of the 'subs' from the > > > Daily Mirror. In the notice about McCririck's depature it mentioned > > > that he worked for the Sporting Life, whether that was before or after > > > Grandstand I don't know. Cheers, Dave > > > > > > -- > > > Tech1 mailing list > > > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > > > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > > > > -- > *Welcome to Shit Creek - sorry, we're out of paddles* > > Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From peter.neill at icloud.com Sat Jul 6 12:28:31 2019 From: peter.neill at icloud.com (Peter Neill) Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2019 18:28:31 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Anyone for cheese? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <73472892-2D7D-4D17-9773-E80843A92D1F@icloud.com> I worked on this: http://track.smtpsendemail.com/20919/c?p=pDubYwlkSpHfi4Mg2V6TxPOHozR6eHDub0VZZ-O-Q4NRP59c7QX7gVL239PZV2Xhh29S8SH-DiodI-d6iJA25aLqvpbUWkGeNSV3MYeOTZnMR2Gzfz6IBMdlgU2wl_GbXFk_X_gYtWHl5xerjUJa3DQ2bNalR4beMwA2HMNg1R4= Directed by the great Dougie Camfield, the thing that sticks in my mind is that is during one of the cameramen?s ?only do one thing at a time? work to rule and Dougie meticulously went through the script and made sure that every shot was achievable within the rules. I remarked to him in the bar afterwards that, in some ways, the lack of development shots suited the period in which it was set i.e. it looked like an old American B&W movie. I?m not sure that he agreed with me. Peter Neill > On 6 Jul 2019, at 06:59, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: > > Indeed Geoff, Stubby Kaye. I believe he resided in the UK for a time though I?m not sure when. This appearance may or may not have been from that time. > > I would be interested to know more about his BBC TV appearances as I certainly worked on a production where he sang ?Jubilation T Cornpone? and I struggle to recall what and when that was. My memory keeps returning to the BBC revival of ?No Trams to Lime Street? which I worked on but I find no mention of him in connection with that production so can only assume I?ve made a false connection. > > Dave N. > > From: Geoff Fletcher <> > Sent: Saturday, July 6, 2019 12:05 AM > To: David Newbitt <> > Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <> > Subject: Re: [Tech1] Anyone for cheese? > > Stubby Kaye on the left? > Geoff F > > On Fri, 5 Jul 2019 at 22:39, David Newbitt via Tech1 > wrote: >> Very much of it?s time so mustn?t judge too harshly! >> >> >> >> I think I worked on some of these but can?t remember for sure. Anybody recall this? >> >> Dave Newbitt. >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <> >> http://track.smtpsendemail.com/20919/c?p=z-eX1m1Uwk8ZEG8Lg3L_xL9h1Y-kIcOwYFcDyCDNEKCJy8YgdGrWU5ZRc2jFaPlRa3IuCl2BaF1UhguJVZXH94Qt5KAhzRQGSIcXC9brHSsYxJNYmRVCNJ4GcSbIstJ4I_UD4EACmLKueDcJ19RLnyXtDVhWDtt4SY2G259eFPwgh1BScXW7foWSAb-BYZO_ > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://track.smtpsendemail.com/20919/c?p=tppT00TpC20B6vXVy2sn73yQmG5cmLXWV_x5qpV634yHWQfhQPKhgfkxDYIog6fVGYdhtNrdcriaJq2S67CVyw1Gfwdys0XRPA2_hGBC0ER0axEmc_PFwxFbZjyd04PYKhqhSDA2Zez7cEkeEYLST-QhnqUoZTe3f6Gz9iB3Tpk01MgH2em2xva8EkjwzgYz -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Sat Jul 6 14:00:37 2019 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2019 20:00:37 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] not John Tidy, but McCririck In-Reply-To: References: <004b01d5337b$497becf0$dc73c6d0$@gmail.com> <76f613d4-5c4e-24f6-4798-2b403692863c@btinternet.com> <57cf5c0dffdave@davesound.co.uk> Message-ID: <31c80b2f-afa2-61b2-51a7-4ea9f61547ab@btinternet.com> I was about to compare him with someone else but I'd better not as have been reprimanded already for my transgressions! Cheers, Dave From pat.heigham at amps.net Sat Jul 6 15:36:35 2019 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2019 21:36:35 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Fw: ... In-Reply-To: References: <1404189661.1212293.1562319703679.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1404189661.1212293.1562319703679@mail.yahoo.com> <1900375151.5001630.1562350383507@mail.yahoo.com> <6864d2a1-8d73-bd12-4a91-63693e686779@btinternet.com> <5d1fa2dd.1c69fb81.7f3f8.fbef@mx.google.com>, Message-ID: <5d210652.1c69fb81.a2c52.f955@mx.google.com> ?nother guess ? maybe the ?cup? end is a candle snuffer? But at a loss as to pointed bit. Unless it was used to clean out the socket of a candle stick before inserting a fresh one? Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net Sat Jul 6 17:13:31 2019 From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt) Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2019 23:13:31 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Anyone for cheese? In-Reply-To: <73472892-2D7D-4D17-9773-E80843A92D1F@icloud.com> References: <73472892-2D7D-4D17-9773-E80843A92D1F@icloud.com> Message-ID: <15C1938E70214E9A8BB6A5EC92E6A607@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> Interesting one Peter ? I didn?t know the BBC had done this. Can?t imagine ?Jubilation T Cornpone? slotting into the Huxley somehow so the head scratching continues! Dave N. From: Peter Neill via Tech1 Sent: Saturday, July 6, 2019 6:28 PM To: Tech Ops List Subject: Re: [Tech1] Anyone for cheese? I worked on this: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0421564/?ref_=nm_flmg_act_23 Directed by the great Dougie Camfield, the thing that sticks in my mind is that is during one of the cameramen?s ?only do one thing at a time? work to rule and Dougie meticulously went through the script and made sure that every shot was achievable within the rules. I remarked to him in the bar afterwards that, in some ways, the lack of development shots suited the period in which it was set i.e. it looked like an old American B&W movie. I?m not sure that he agreed with me. Peter Neill On 6 Jul 2019, at 06:59, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: Indeed Geoff, Stubby Kaye. I believe he resided in the UK for a time though I?m not sure when. This appearance may or may not have been from that time. I would be interested to know more about his BBC TV appearances as I certainly worked on a production where he sang ?Jubilation T Cornpone? and I struggle to recall what and when that was. My memory keeps returning to the BBC revival of ?No Trams to Lime Street? which I worked on but I find no mention of him in connection with that production so can only assume I?ve made a false connection. Dave N. From: Geoff Fletcher Sent: Saturday, July 6, 2019 12:05 AM To: David Newbitt Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Anyone for cheese? Stubby Kaye on the left? Geoff F On Fri, 5 Jul 2019 at 22:39, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: Very much of it?s time so mustn?t judge too harshly! I think I worked on some of these but can?t remember for sure. Anybody recall this? Dave Newbitt. -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From: Tech1 On Behalf Of Barry Bonner via Tech1 Sent: 06 July 2019 15:27 To: Geoff Fletcher Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] John Tidy Of course you are not referring to the very affable John Tidy. Barry. On 6 Jul 2019, at 14:25, Geoff Fletcher via Tech1 > wrote: Worked with him many times as a cameraman and later Unit Manager at Newmarket and other courses. I'm afraid he wasn't quite my cup of tea. Geoff F On Sat, 6 Jul 2019 at 11:04, Bill Jenkin via Tech1 > wrote: I understood that he worked for the Sporting Life while he was a sub on Grandstand. BJ On Sat, 6 Jul 2019, 09:24 dave.mdv via Tech1, > wrote: It was John that told me that he recruited most of the 'subs' from the Daily Mirror. In the notice about McCririck's depature it mentioned that he worked for the Sporting Life, whether that was before or after Grandstand I don't know. Cheers, Dave -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From waresound at msn.com Sun Jul 7 05:14:08 2019 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2019 10:14:08 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Fw: ... In-Reply-To: <5d210652.1c69fb81.a2c52.f955@mx.google.com> References: <1404189661.1212293.1562319703679.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1404189661.1212293.1562319703679@mail.yahoo.com> <1900375151.5001630.1562350383507@mail.yahoo.com> <6864d2a1-8d73-bd12-4a91-63693e686779@btinternet.com> <5d1fa2dd.1c69fb81.7f3f8.fbef@mx.google.com> <5d210652.1c69fb81.a2c52.f955@mx.google.com> Message-ID: It?s a cone tuning tool. This one is about 300 years old, and used to be used to flare-out or cone-in the tops of tin/lead organ pipes to fine tune them up or down. Nowadays, tuning sleeves are preferred because they don?t damage the pipes as much as whacking them on the head with a heavy lump of brass. Did we ever discover what those wooden things were for? [image1.jpeg] Cheers, Nick. Sent from my iPad On 6 Jul 2019, at 21:36, patheigham > wrote: ?nother guess ? maybe the ?cup? end is a candle snuffer? But at a loss as to pointed bit. Unless it was used to clean out the socket of a candle stick before inserting a fresh one? Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 [https://ipmcdn.avast.com/images/icons/icon-envelope-tick-round-orange-animated-no-repeat-v1.gif] Virus-free. www.avast.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Nowadays, tuning sleeves are preferred because they don?t > damage the pipes as much as whacking them on the head with a heavy lump of > brass. > Did we ever discover what those wooden things were for? > [image: image1.jpeg] > Cheers, > Nick. > Sent from my iPad > > On 6 Jul 2019, at 21:36, patheigham wrote: > > ?nother guess ? maybe the > > ?cup? end is a candle snuffer? > > But at a loss as to pointed bit. > > Unless it was used to clean out the socket of a candle stick > > before inserting a fresh one? > > > > Pat > > > > Sent from Mail for > Windows 10 > > > > > > > Virus-free. > www.avast.com > > <#m_2857727322640747347_m_-6712645318490256881_DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Chris Woolf On 05/07/2019 20:13, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > > I wonder if they are a form of harvest flails ? although look a bit short. > > Used for seaparting the grain from the husk. > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flail > > Pat > > Sent from Mail for > Windows 10 > > *From: *Gary Critcher via Tech1 > *Sent: *05 July 2019 19:13 > *To: *tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > *Subject: *[Tech1] Fw: ... > > On behalf of VT Current Ops stalwart John James, he's asked me if > anyone here may have any idea what these are and what they were used for ? > > many thanks indeed! > > all the best, > > Gary C > > ----- > > ?... > > > > Virus-free. www.avast.com > > > > <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mikej at bmanor.co.uk Sun Jul 7 07:11:34 2019 From: mikej at bmanor.co.uk (Mike Jordan) Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2019 13:11:34 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Fw: ... In-Reply-To: References: <1404189661.1212293.1562319703679.ref@mail.yahoo.com><1404189661.1212293.1562319703679@mail.yahoo.com><1900375151.5001630.1562350383507@mail.yahoo.com><6864d2a1-8d73-bd12-4a91-63693e686779@btinternet.com><5d1fa2dd.1c69fb81.7f3f8.fbef@mx.google.com><5d210652.1c69fb81.a2c52.f955@mx.google.com> Message-ID: A bit different from what is now in our refurbished church organ. The pipes just have a ?flappy? tuning bit at rear bent to suit. The other pic is of what was pulled out with individually wired little contactors controlling air flaps on lots of wooden pieces of trunking (per octave). The pipes etc are across the nave and when I asked how they would replace to 600 or so control wires under the marble floor, I was pointed to a drum of CAT V. All done by a puter now and can even be played remotely if organist is late on-site! The organ mostly comes from a church in Bishopsgate demolished before the war and now even has amazing new bellows from real animal bits. (loads more lovely pics if anyone wants them) Mike From: Keith Wicks via Tech1 Sent: Sunday, July 07, 2019 12:20 PM To: Nick Ware ; patrickheigham ; Gary Critcher Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Fw: ... I was convinced that it was a finial for a flag pole, and some finials do look very similar. But Nick is absolutely right. The following picture explains: -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: St Thomas old organ_323s.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 148674 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Graeme Wall > On 7 Jul 2019, at 13:11, Mike Jordan via Tech1 wrote: > > A bit different from what is now in our refurbished church organ. > The pipes just have a ?flappy? tuning bit at rear bent to suit. > The other pic is of what was pulled out with individually wired little contactors controlling air flaps on lots of wooden pieces of trunking (per octave). > The pipes etc are across the nave and when I asked how they would replace to 600 or so control wires under the marble floor, I was pointed to a drum of CAT V. All done by a puter now and can even be played remotely if organist is late on-site! > > The organ mostly comes from a church in Bishopsgate demolished before the war and now even has amazing new bellows from real animal bits. > > (loads more lovely pics if anyone wants them) > > Mike > > From: Keith Wicks via Tech1 > Sent: Sunday, July 07, 2019 12:20 PM > To: Nick Ware ; patrickheigham ; Gary Critcher > Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > Subject: Re: [Tech1] Fw: ... > > I was convinced that it was a finial for a flag pole, and some finials do look very similar. > But Nick is absolutely right. The following picture explains: > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Nick. Sent from my iPad On 7 Jul 2019, at 13:21, Graeme Wall > wrote: And here is a man tuning organ pipes in Gloucetser cathedral ? Graeme Wall On 7 Jul 2019, at 13:11, Mike Jordan via Tech1 > wrote: A bit different from what is now in our refurbished church organ. The pipes just have a ?flappy? tuning bit at rear bent to suit. The other pic is of what was pulled out with individually wired little contactors controlling air flaps on lots of wooden pieces of trunking (per octave). The pipes etc are across the nave and when I asked how they would replace to 600 or so control wires under the marble floor, I was pointed to a drum of CAT V. All done by a puter now and can even be played remotely if organist is late on-site! The organ mostly comes from a church in Bishopsgate demolished before the war and now even has amazing new bellows from real animal bits. (loads more lovely pics if anyone wants them) Mike From: Keith Wicks via Tech1 Sent: Sunday, July 07, 2019 12:20 PM To: Nick Ware ; patrickheigham ; Gary Critcher Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Fw: ... I was convinced that it was a finial for a flag pole, and some finials do look very similar. But Nick is absolutely right. The following picture explains: -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Window.JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 663164 bytes Desc: Window.JPG URL: From Waresound at msn.com Sun Jul 7 09:48:16 2019 From: Waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2019 14:48:16 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Fw: ... In-Reply-To: References: <1404189661.1212293.1562319703679.ref@mail.yahoo.com><1404189661.1212293.1562319703679@mail.yahoo.com><1900375151.5001630.1562350383507@mail.yahoo.com><6864d2a1-8d73-bd12-4a91-63693e686779@btinternet.com><5d1fa2dd.1c69fb81.7f3f8.fbef@mx.google.com><5d210652.1c69fb81.a2c52.f955@mx.google.com> , Message-ID: I haven?t seen it do it, but I?m told that since the last Mander rebuild, the St Paul?s Cathedral organ can play the last ?take? back to you without you having to wind the tape back (not that we use tape anymore). Nick. Sent from my iPad On 7 Jul 2019, at 13:11, Mike Jordan > wrote: A bit different from what is now in our refurbished church organ. The pipes just have a ?flappy? tuning bit at rear bent to suit. The other pic is of what was pulled out with individually wired little contactors controlling air flaps on lots of wooden pieces of trunking (per octave). 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Was there a story that when the breweries there ran short one year, reinforcements had to be sent over from England and the empty tankers came back filled with Irish water? Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: dave.mdv via Tech1 Sent: 09 July 2019 23:11 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: [Tech1] Killibegs. Donegal Looks like a nice place for a wee dram! Cheers, hic, Dave --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From billjenkin67 at gmail.com Wed Jul 10 08:11:34 2019 From: billjenkin67 at gmail.com (Bill Jenkin) Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2019 14:11:34 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Killibegs. Donegal In-Reply-To: <5d25df12.1c69fb81.11592.d465@mx.google.com> References: <52eab8e0-d751-3aa4-3abd-e4752fd0de99@btinternet.com> <5d25df12.1c69fb81.11592.d465@mx.google.com> Message-ID: All the Guinness sold in the UK and Ireland is now brewed in Dublin. They closed the Park Royal brewery a few years ago. They also wanted to close the Diblin one and move it out to the outskirts but there was such a stink about it they have held off so far. BJ On Wed, 10 Jul 2019, 13:50 patheigham via Tech1, wrote: > As I fondly remember, the Guinness in Ireland tastes a lot better than in > the UK. Was there a story that when the breweries there ran short one year, > reinforcements had to be sent over from England and the empty tankers came > back filled with Irish water? > > Pat > > > > Sent from Mail for > Windows 10 > > > > *From: *dave.mdv via Tech1 > *Sent: *09 July 2019 23:11 > *To: *tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > *Subject: *[Tech1] Killibegs. Donegal > > > > Looks like a nice place for a wee dram! Cheers, hic, Dave > > > > > Virus-free. > www.avast.com > > <#m_-5708541881459878798_DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Wed Jul 10 08:25:27 2019 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2019 14:25:27 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Killibegs. Donegal In-Reply-To: References: <52eab8e0-d751-3aa4-3abd-e4752fd0de99@btinternet.com> <5d25df12.1c69fb81.11592.d465@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <5d25e745.1c69fb81.eefb.abe6@mx.google.com> It was a good few years ago, about the water transport! ?stink?, Bill, would that be the ?whiffy? Liffey?? Pat (groan) (P.S. I was wrong about Guiness drawing water from the Liffey: Around 60% of the Liffey's flow is abstracted for drinking water and to supply industry. Much of this makes its way back into the river after purification in wastewater treatment plants. Despite a misconception that the Guinness brewery is one such commercial user, the facility uses water piped from the Wicklow Mountains) Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Bill Jenkin via Tech1 Sent: 10 July 2019 14:12 To: Tech-Ops. co. uk email group Subject: Re: [Tech1] Killibegs. Donegal All the Guinness sold in the UK and Ireland is now brewed in Dublin. They closed the Park Royal brewery a few years ago. They also wanted to close the Diblin one and move it out to the outskirts but there was such a stink about it they have held off so far. BJ On Wed, 10 Jul 2019, 13:50 patheigham via Tech1, wrote: As I fondly remember, the Guinness in Ireland tastes a lot better than in the UK. Was there a story that when the breweries there ran short one year, reinforcements had to be sent over from England and the empty tankers came back filled with Irish water? Pat ? Sent from Mail for Windows 10 ? From: dave.mdv via Tech1 Sent: 09 July 2019 23:11 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: [Tech1] Killibegs. Donegal ? Looks like a nice place for a wee dram! Cheers, hic, Dave ? Virus-free. www.avast.com -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ohbytheway.tv at gmail.com Wed Jul 10 08:41:29 2019 From: ohbytheway.tv at gmail.com (David Denness) Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2019 14:41:29 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Killibegs. Donegal In-Reply-To: <5d25e745.1c69fb81.eefb.abe6@mx.google.com> References: <52eab8e0-d751-3aa4-3abd-e4752fd0de99@btinternet.com> <5d25df12.1c69fb81.11592.d465@mx.google.com> <5d25e745.1c69fb81.eefb.abe6@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <004d01d53725$2e365d10$8aa31730$@gmail.com> Pat, do you think that would apply to the other Guiness brewery, in Lagos? From: Tech1 On Behalf Of patheigham via Tech1 Sent: 10 July 2019 14:25 To: Bill Jenkin ; Tech-Ops. co. uk email group Subject: Re: [Tech1] Killibegs. Donegal It was a good few years ago, about the water transport! ?stink?, Bill, would that be the ?whiffy? Liffey?? Pat (groan) (P.S. I was wrong about Guiness drawing water from the Liffey: Around 60% of the Liffey's flow is abstracted for drinking water and to supply industry. Much of this makes its way back into the river after purification in wastewater treatment plants. Despite a misconception that the Guinness brewery is one such commercial user, the facility uses water piped from the Wicklow Mountains ) Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Bill Jenkin via Tech1 Sent: 10 July 2019 14:12 To: Tech-Ops. co. uk email group Subject: Re: [Tech1] Killibegs. Donegal All the Guinness sold in the UK and Ireland is now brewed in Dublin. They closed the Park Royal brewery a few years ago. They also wanted to close the Diblin one and move it out to the outskirts but there was such a stink about it they have held off so far. BJ On Wed, 10 Jul 2019, 13:50 patheigham via Tech1, > wrote: As I fondly remember, the Guinness in Ireland tastes a lot better than in the UK. Was there a story that when the breweries there ran short one year, reinforcements had to be sent over from England and the empty tankers came back filled with Irish water? Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: dave.mdv via Tech1 Sent: 09 July 2019 23:11 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: [Tech1] Killibegs. Donegal Looks like a nice place for a wee dram! Cheers, hic, Dave Virus-free. www.avast.com -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net Wed Jul 10 08:42:00 2019 From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt) Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2019 14:42:00 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] 'Save the West' In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20BC177F70FC4B93B169BD0C7AB6AF57@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> Dave, I take it that the follow up post you made following the one below implies that Albert Barber had responded and you were commenting on his reply. Unless his reply had been solely personal to you it looks as though this is a further example of some posts not making it to general distribution since it didn't appear in my inbox. Regards, Dave Newbitt. -----Original Message----- From: dave.mdv via Tech1 Sent: Tuesday, July 9, 2019 11:53 PM To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: [Tech1] 'Save the West' Seen in a folk museum in Donegal - was this guy ahead of his time? Where was the Emerald Hall? Cheers, Dave -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From pat.heigham at amps.net Wed Jul 10 09:22:32 2019 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2019 15:22:32 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Killibegs. Donegal In-Reply-To: <004d01d53725$2e365d10$8aa31730$@gmail.com> References: <52eab8e0-d751-3aa4-3abd-e4752fd0de99@btinternet.com> <5d25df12.1c69fb81.11592.d465@mx.google.com> <5d25e745.1c69fb81.eefb.abe6@mx.google.com> <004d01d53725$2e365d10$8aa31730$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5d25f4a6.1c69fb81.ae4ad.c53b@mx.google.com> I assume you refer to the Nigerian Lagos, and not Portugal? If so, it?s ?nigerian lager?? A long pipeline from Wicklow, but the tanker delivery could be feasible ? any money in that I wonder. Maybe suggest to the guys scamming the ?money letters? that they might like to invest in transporting water! My first TO Evesham course included a chap ?of colour?. Really nice bloke from Nigeria. Over a few beers in the club, we discovered he worked for the Nigerian Broadcasting Company, and as they were about to enter into TV broadcasting, had been sent to the BBC to learn all about it. Q: ? What do you do there, John?? A: ? I?m the Head of it!? I was partnered with him for the portrait lighting exercise ? difficult, as I discovered that the contrast ratios for lighting a black complexion were totally shot, compared to a paler face. I?m not sure if I was bright enough to not put him against a white background, which situation occurred much later with a cameraman I was with for a quick I/V with a guy from NBC who flew into London, and all we had was a plain white-walled room ? he was ?ace of spades?! Another photo exercise was ruined by my being summoned to Sturley?s office in the middle of developing my latest plates. I was read the riot act: ?Pull your finger out, if you want to stay in the BBC!? I had been back pedalling a bit, hating ?going back to school? after six months at the forefront of TVC studio productions. I knew more about current studio practice, as the tutors had not kept abreast with that and were trying to lecture us on outmoded practice. When I was released to lick my wounds, my plates had reticulated in the bath and were useless to print, but it gave me something to put into the report write-up! Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: David Denness Sent: 10 July 2019 14:41 To: 'patheigham'; 'Bill Jenkin' Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: RE: [Tech1] Killibegs. Donegal Pat, do you think that would apply to the other Guinness brewery, in Lagos? From: Tech1 On Behalf Of patheigham via Tech1 Sent: 10 July 2019 14:25 To: Bill Jenkin ; Tech-Ops. co. uk email group Subject: Re: [Tech1] Killibegs. Donegal It was a good few years ago, about the water transport! ?stink?, Bill, would that be the ?whiffy? Liffey?? Pat (groan) (P.S. I was wrong about Guiness drawing water from the Liffey: Around 60% of the Liffey's flow is abstracted for drinking water and to supply industry. Much of this makes its way back into the river after purification in wastewater treatment plants. Despite a misconception that the Guinness brewery is one such commercial user, the facility uses water piped from the Wicklow Mountains) Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Bill Jenkin via Tech1 Sent: 10 July 2019 14:12 To: Tech-Ops. co. uk email group Subject: Re: [Tech1] Killibegs. Donegal All the Guinness sold in the UK and Ireland is now brewed in Dublin. They closed the Park Royal brewery a few years ago. They also wanted to close the Diblin one and move it out to the outskirts but there was such a stink about it they have held off so far. BJ On Wed, 10 Jul 2019, 13:50 patheigham via Tech1, wrote: As I fondly remember, the Guinness in Ireland tastes a lot better than in the UK. Was there a story that when the breweries there ran short one year, reinforcements had to be sent over from England and the empty tankers came back filled with Irish water? Pat ? Sent from Mail for Windows 10 ? From: dave.mdv via Tech1 Sent: 09 July 2019 23:11 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: [Tech1] Killibegs. Donegal ? Looks like a nice place for a wee dram! Cheers, hic, Dave ? Virus-free. www.avast.com -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bernie833 at gmail.com Wed Jul 10 09:34:49 2019 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2019 15:34:49 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Killibegs. Donegal In-Reply-To: References: <52eab8e0-d751-3aa4-3abd-e4752fd0de99@btinternet.com> <5d25df12.1c69fb81.11592.d465@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <9d92d581-82bc-0966-8f53-bc7424ed1ab8@gmail.com> I did the Dublin Guinness brewery tour a few years ago. It was rubbish apart from the pint of Guinness in the bar on the roof. I bought Diageo shares a few years back, so when you buy a pint of Guinness or a shot of Johnny Walker or Smirnoff or Captain Morgan you're helping to pay my divi.? Currently up 73% on what I paid. Not that I'm recommending them you understand. B On 10/07/2019 14:11, Bill Jenkin via Tech1 wrote: > All the Guinness sold in the UK and Ireland is now brewed in Dublin. > They closed the Park Royal brewery a few years ago. They also wanted > to close the Diblin one and move it out to the outskirts but there was > such a stink about it they have held off so far. > BJ > > On Wed, 10 Jul 2019, 13:50 patheigham via Tech1, > wrote: > > As I fondly remember, the Guinness in Ireland tastes a lot better > than in the UK. Was there a story that when the breweries there > ran short one year, reinforcements had to be sent over from > England and the empty tankers came back filled with Irish water? > > Pat > > Sent from Mail > for Windows 10 > > *From: *dave.mdv via Tech1 > *Sent: *09 July 2019 23:11 > *To: *tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > *Subject: *[Tech1] Killibegs. Donegal > > Looks like a nice place for a wee dram! Cheers, hic, Dave > > > > Virus-free. www.avast.com > > > > <#m_-5708541881459878798_DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bernie833 at gmail.com Wed Jul 10 09:53:40 2019 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2019 15:53:40 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: Photo from Bernard Newnham In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Does anyone want this? I just rebuilt my main pc as it won't do multi layer graphics in real time in DaVinci, though for everything else, including quite demanding games, it's fine.? I offered it to my brother, who tells me that as it isn't a Mac it can't possibly work properly. Ho hum - I wonder what it's been doing all day for some time now? From Belarc Advisor - Processor 3.30 gigahertz Intel Core i5-2500 256 kilobyte primary memory cache 1024 kilobyte secondary memory cache 6144 kilobyte tertiary memory cache 64-bit ready Multi-core (4 total) Not hyper-threaded Main Circuit Board Board: ASUSTeK Computer INC. P8Z68-V LE Rev X.0x Serial Number: MT7017K54701641 Bus Clock: 100 megahertz BIOS: American Megatrends Inc. 0401 06/21/2011 Memory Modules 8174 Megabytes Usable Installed Memory Completely free, I hate to see it go to waste. B -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: IMG-20190710-WA0001.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 206384 bytes Desc: not available URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Wed Jul 10 10:13:14 2019 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2019 16:13:14 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Killibegs. Donegal In-Reply-To: <9d92d581-82bc-0966-8f53-bc7424ed1ab8@gmail.com> References: <52eab8e0-d751-3aa4-3abd-e4752fd0de99@btinternet.com> <5d25df12.1c69fb81.11592.d465@mx.google.com> <9d92d581-82bc-0966-8f53-bc7424ed1ab8@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5d260088.1c69fb81.54413.da65@mx.google.com> I had a job booked around 30 years ago ? a corporate video for Bass Charrington, touring most of their distilleries in Scotland. Problem was, my Mum had passed away just over a week earlier. We rather rushed the funeral as I didn?t want to lose the job ? she would have understood! We flew from Biggin Hill in B/C plane, flown by an ex-BA pilot, whose girlfriend was a serving cabin attendant, and the production company pleasingly allowed her to join the crew ? so we got served our in-flight sarnies (& G & T) really properly. After several visits to distilleries around Inverness (and Glasgow) we flew to Islay, landing in the pitch dark. The guy who turned on the landing lights buggered off as soon as we landed and parked, leaving us to load the waiting self drive Landrovers in total darkness and in driving rain! I think our pilot and girlfriend hired a car and had a wonderful few days. The whole process of the distillery was fascinating ? Laphroaig is right on the seashore and owes its particular flavour to seaweed. The best bit was a present to each of us of a half bottle of 15 year old, and the invitation to visit the shop and buy as much as we wanted at half-price! I still have a presentation tin of a 10 year old, for when I retire... Hang on....I am retired! Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Bernard Newnham via Tech1 Sent: 10 July 2019 15:35 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk; Bernard Newnham Subject: Re: [Tech1] Killibegs. Donegal I did the Dublin Guinness brewery tour a few years ago. It was rubbish apart from the pint of Guinness in the bar on the roof. ? --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From waresound at msn.com Wed Jul 10 10:58:28 2019 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2019 15:58:28 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Killibegs. Donegal In-Reply-To: <5d25f4a6.1c69fb81.ae4ad.c53b@mx.google.com> References: <52eab8e0-d751-3aa4-3abd-e4752fd0de99@btinternet.com> <5d25df12.1c69fb81.11592.d465@mx.google.com> <5d25e745.1c69fb81.eefb.abe6@mx.google.com> <004d01d53725$2e365d10$8aa31730$@gmail.com>, <5d25f4a6.1c69fb81.ae4ad.c53b@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Pat, I do hope there?s a book on the way with all your fascinating anecdotes in it. Don?t forget to invite me to the signing! Nick. Sent from my iPad On 10 Jul 2019, at 15:23, patheigham via Tech1 > wrote: I assume you refer to the Nigerian Lagos, and not Portugal? If so, it?s ?nigerian lager?? A long pipeline from Wicklow, but the tanker delivery could be feasible ? any money in that I wonder. Maybe suggest to the guys scamming the ?money letters? that they might like to invest in transporting water! My first TO Evesham course included a chap ?of colour?. Really nice bloke from Nigeria. Over a few beers in the club, we discovered he worked for the Nigerian Broadcasting Company, and as they were about to enter into TV broadcasting, had been sent to the BBC to learn all about it. Q: ? What do you do there, John?? A: ? I?m the Head of it!? I was partnered with him for the portrait lighting exercise ? difficult, as I discovered that the contrast ratios for lighting a black complexion were totally shot, compared to a paler face. I?m not sure if I was bright enough to not put him against a white background, which situation occurred much later with a cameraman I was with for a quick I/V with a guy from NBC who flew into London, and all we had was a plain white-walled room ? he was ?ace of spades?! Another photo exercise was ruined by my being summoned to Sturley?s office in the middle of developing my latest plates. I was read the riot act: ?Pull your finger out, if you want to stay in the BBC!? I had been back pedalling a bit, hating ?going back to school? after six months at the forefront of TVC studio productions. I knew more about current studio practice, as the tutors had not kept abreast with that and were trying to lecture us on outmoded practice. When I was released to lick my wounds, my plates had reticulated in the bath and were useless to print, but it gave me something to put into the report write-up! Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: David Denness Sent: 10 July 2019 14:41 To: 'patheigham'; 'Bill Jenkin' Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: RE: [Tech1] Killibegs. Donegal Pat, do you think that would apply to the other Guinness brewery, in Lagos? From: Tech1 > On Behalf Of patheigham via Tech1 Sent: 10 July 2019 14:25 To: Bill Jenkin >; Tech-Ops. co. uk email group > Subject: Re: [Tech1] Killibegs. Donegal It was a good few years ago, about the water transport! ?stink?, Bill, would that be the ?whiffy? Liffey?? Pat (groan) (P.S. I was wrong about Guiness drawing water from the Liffey: Around 60% of the Liffey's flow is abstracted for drinking water and to supply industry. Much of this makes its way back into the river after purification in wastewater treatment plants. Despite a misconception that the Guinness brewery is one such commercial user, the facility uses water piped from the Wicklow Mountains) Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Bill Jenkin via Tech1 Sent: 10 July 2019 14:12 To: Tech-Ops. co. uk email group Subject: Re: [Tech1] Killibegs. Donegal All the Guinness sold in the UK and Ireland is now brewed in Dublin. They closed the Park Royal brewery a few years ago. They also wanted to close the Diblin one and move it out to the outskirts but there was such a stink about it they have held off so far. BJ On Wed, 10 Jul 2019, 13:50 patheigham via Tech1, > wrote: As I fondly remember, the Guinness in Ireland tastes a lot better than in the UK. Was there a story that when the breweries there ran short one year, reinforcements had to be sent over from England and the empty tankers came back filled with Irish water? Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: dave.mdv via Tech1 Sent: 09 July 2019 23:11 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: [Tech1] Killibegs. Donegal Looks like a nice place for a wee dram! Cheers, hic, Dave [https://ipmcdn.avast.com/images/icons/icon-envelope-tick-round-orange-animated-no-repeat-v1.gif] Virus-free. www.avast.com -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From teateatone2 at gmail.com Wed Jul 10 14:54:05 2019 From: teateatone2 at gmail.com (Tony Grant) Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2019 20:54:05 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Killibegs. Donegal In-Reply-To: References: <52eab8e0-d751-3aa4-3abd-e4752fd0de99@btinternet.com> <5d25df12.1c69fb81.11592.d465@mx.google.com> <5d25e745.1c69fb81.eefb.abe6@mx.google.com> <004d01d53725$2e365d10$8aa31730$@gmail.com> <5d25f4a6.1c69fb81.ae4ad.c53b@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Hm, time I added my 2d worth to the discussion on Guinness, which ceased to be a 'real' beer many years ago. The best (and that's BEST in capitals, bold, underscored, mile-high capital letters) was when I was hitch-hiking through Ireland with Heather in the mid 60s. We were given a lift as far as Drogheda on our way South, dropped off just outside a bar, so we went in and ordered a couple of pints. To say we were parched is an understatement, and the barman greeted us warmly and enquired all about our travels, background, work, friends, family, onward plans, whilst pouring the pints. Our tongues lolled ever longer out of our mouths, but after at least 20 minutes (you have to let each small pour settle in the glass before adding more) two pints were placed on the counter.............ambrosia, nectar of the gods, didn't touch the sides going down, but oh, the taste, the creamy consistency..........I couldn't order another two quickly enough. In those far-off days, Guinness was a 'live' beer, not pasteurised, had to be properly kept and dispensed, but when it was..........I still dream of it, ah me, oh my, paradise lost. Now Donegal is a wonderful county, we've been there many times, sunk a few keg-fulls of Guinness, and even stopped on occasion in Killibegs. I recall when I was on OBs being told that Wembley and Crystal Palace were the a-pit and a-hole of London. As good a description of Killibegs as I can think of, I wouldn't recommend it as a watering hole, but a good place to buy fresh fish (and move swiftly on - you'll get the message if you smell the fish-processing plant on the outskirts). Interestingly, the worst (mile-high capital letters, etc.) pint of Guinness I ever had was at Dublin airport, absolutely vile, Lord knows how they produced such an abomination. And whilst talking of pints of stout, friends of mine in Co. Cork swear by Beamish, as it's the local stout. So whist staying with them we visited the local pub which had Guinness, Beamish and Murphy's on draught. I had a glass of each, and can confirm that, as far as my palate is concerned, Guinness wins by a short (creamy) head. Thus, next time you meet me and I tell you I've just returned from the shores, your query about 'What shores?' is.............a pint of Guinness, thanks. TeaTeaFN - Tony On Wed, Jul 10, 2019 at 4:58 PM Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: > Pat, I do hope there?s a book on the way with all your fascinating > anecdotes in it. Don?t forget to invite me to the signing! > Nick. > Sent from my iPad > > On 10 Jul 2019, at 15:23, patheigham via Tech1 > wrote: > > I assume you refer to the Nigerian Lagos, and not Portugal? > > If so, it?s ?nigerian lager?? > > A long pipeline from Wicklow, but the tanker delivery could be feasible ? > any money in that I wonder. Maybe suggest to the guys scamming the ?money > letters? that they might like to invest in transporting water! > > > > My first TO Evesham course included a chap ?of colour?. Really nice bloke > from Nigeria. Over a few beers in the club, we discovered he worked for the > Nigerian Broadcasting Company, and as they were about to enter into TV > broadcasting, had been sent to the BBC to learn all about it. > > Q: ? What do you do there, John?? > > A: ? I?m the Head of it!? > > > > I was partnered with him for the portrait lighting exercise ? difficult, > as I discovered that the contrast ratios for lighting a black complexion > were totally shot, compared to a paler face. > > I?m not sure if I was bright enough to not put him against a white > background, which situation occurred much later with a cameraman I was with > for a quick I/V with a guy from NBC who flew into London, and all we had > was a plain white-walled room ? he was ?ace of spades?! > > > > Another photo exercise was ruined by my being summoned to Sturley?s office > in the middle of developing my latest plates. I was read the riot act: > ?Pull your finger out, if you want to stay in the BBC!? > > I had been back pedalling a bit, hating ?going back to school? after six > months at the forefront of TVC studio productions. I knew more about > current studio practice, as the tutors had not kept abreast with that and > were trying to lecture us on outmoded practice. > > When I was released to lick my wounds, my plates had reticulated in the > bath and were useless to print, but it gave me something to put into the > report write-up! > > > > Pat > > > > > > Sent from Mail for > Windows 10 > > > > *From: *David Denness > *Sent: *10 July 2019 14:41 > *To: *'patheigham' ; 'Bill Jenkin' > > *Cc: *tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > *Subject: *RE: [Tech1] Killibegs. Donegal > > > > Pat, do you think that would apply to the other Guinness brewery, in Lagos? > > > > *From:* Tech1 *On Behalf Of *patheigham > via Tech1 > *Sent:* 10 July 2019 14:25 > *To:* Bill Jenkin ; Tech-Ops. co. uk email group < > tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> > *Subject:* Re: [Tech1] Killibegs. Donegal > > > > It *was* a good few years ago, about the water transport! > > ?stink?, Bill, would that be the ?whiffy? Liffey?? > > Pat (groan) > > (P.S. I was wrong about Guiness drawing water from the Liffey: > > Around 60% of the Liffey's flow is abstracted for drinking water and to > supply industry. Much of this makes its way back into the river after > purification in wastewater treatment plants. Despite a misconception that > the Guinness brewery is one such commercial user, the facility uses water > piped from the Wicklow Mountains > ) > > > > Sent from Mail for > Windows 10 > > > > *From: *Bill Jenkin via Tech1 > *Sent: *10 July 2019 14:12 > *To: *Tech-Ops. co. uk email group > *Subject: *Re: [Tech1] Killibegs. Donegal > > > > All the Guinness sold in the UK and Ireland is now brewed in Dublin. They > closed the Park Royal brewery a few years ago. They also wanted to close > the Diblin one and move it out to the outskirts but there was such a stink > about it they have held off so far. > > BJ > > On Wed, 10 Jul 2019, 13:50 patheigham via Tech1, > wrote: > > As I fondly remember, the Guinness in Ireland tastes a lot better than in > the UK. Was there a story that when the breweries there ran short one year, > reinforcements had to be sent over from England and the empty tankers came > back filled with Irish water? > > Pat > > > > Sent from Mail for > Windows 10 > > > > *From: *dave.mdv via Tech1 > *Sent: *09 July 2019 23:11 > *To: *tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > *Subject: *[Tech1] Killibegs. Donegal > > > > Looks like a nice place for a wee dram! Cheers, hic, Dave > > > > > > [image: > https://ipmcdn.avast.com/images/icons/icon-envelope-tick-round-orange-animated-no-repeat-v1.gif] > > > Virus-free. www.avast.com > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > > > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alawrance1 at me.com Thu Jul 11 11:38:20 2019 From: alawrance1 at me.com (Alasdair Lawrance) Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2019 17:38:20 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Moon landings - 50th anniversary Message-ID: Most of us remember the Moon Landings, an astonishing technical achievement however you hack it. Here?s a little something, unknown until now, that might give you a laugh or two. 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Graeme Wall > On 11 Jul 2019, at 17:38, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 wrote: > > Most of us remember the Moon Landings, an astonishing technical achievement however you hack it. > > Here?s a little something, unknown until now, that might give you a laugh or two. > > > Alasdair Lawrance > alawrance1 at me.com > > > > > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From teateatone2 at gmail.com Thu Jul 11 14:58:49 2019 From: teateatone2 at gmail.com (Tony Grant) Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2019 20:58:49 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Well beyond me Message-ID: Browsing the internet (as one does in moments of insanity) I came across the following in a scientific research site (phys.org): *In a recent study, researchers at the University of Colorado have resolved phonon Fock states in the spectrum of a superconducting qubit coupled to a multimode acoustic cavity. Fock states (or number states) are quantum states with a clearly defined number of particles. These states play a crucial part in the second quantization formulation of quantum mechanics.* I hope those of you with a background in sound will enlighten the rest of us as to whether we might encounter these 'Fock states', and will it be to our peril? TeaTeaFN - Tony -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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These states play a crucial part in the second quantization formulation of quantum mechanics. > > I hope those of you with a background in sound will enlighten the rest of us as to whether we might encounter these 'Fock states', and will it be to our peril? > > TeaTeaFN - Tony > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Thu Jul 11 16:55:31 2019 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2019 22:55:31 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] For Focks states .... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <22bfef47-c0e9-5636-5071-fa91e2b1a305@btinternet.com> ..as Mrs. Brown would say, I think that the whole country is suffering with one at the moment! Cheers, well and truly Focked, Dave. From ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com Thu Jul 11 18:02:05 2019 From: ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com (Albert Barber) Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2019 00:02:05 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] 'Save the West' In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8120D1D2-E516-401C-AF07-60DCF988CF2B@btinternet.com> https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/video/2019/jul/11/the-kidney-has-a-very-special-place-in-the-heart-says-donald-trump-video So that?s where it is! > On 9 Jul 2019, at 23:53, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: > > Seen in a folk museum in Donegal - was this guy ahead of his time? Where was the Emerald Hall? Cheers, Dave > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From alanaudio at me.com Fri Jul 12 02:08:24 2019 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2019 08:08:24 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] 'Save the West' In-Reply-To: <8120D1D2-E516-401C-AF07-60DCF988CF2B@btinternet.com> References: <8120D1D2-E516-401C-AF07-60DCF988CF2B@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <9D2D180A-B4C7-42F4-81CE-7FACCBEB3F60@me.com> That?s not too surprising coming from a man whose larynx is in his rectum. Alan > On 12 Jul 2019, at 00:02, Albert Barber via Tech1 wrote: > > https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/video/2019/jul/11/the-kidney-has-a-very-special-place-in-the-heart-says-donald-trump-video > > So that?s where it is! > > >> On 9 Jul 2019, at 23:53, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: >> >> Seen in a folk museum in Donegal - was this guy ahead of his time? Where was the Emerald Hall? Cheers, Dave >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From hughsheppard at btinternet.com Fri Jul 12 02:18:22 2019 From: hughsheppard at btinternet.com (Hugh Sheppard) Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2019 08:18:22 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Well beyond me In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <01e6f245-57c9-92e3-92ea-0b5f1bacc612@btinternet.com> This serves to recall Ridley Scott's trainee producer course in the early 60s - ".... and now we go from one Fokine ballet to another." ? Ooooh!? Wasn't he bold!! Hugh On 11-Jul-19 8:58 PM, Tony Grant via Tech1 wrote: > Browsing the internet (as one does in moments of insanity) I came > across the following in a scientific research site (phys.org > ): > > /In a recent study, researchers at the University of Colorado have > resolved phonon Fock states in the spectrum of a superconducting qubit > coupled to a multimode acoustic cavity. Fock states (or number states) > are quantum states with a clearly defined number of particles. These > states play a crucial part in the second quantization formulation of > quantum mechanics./ > > I hope those of you with a background in sound will enlighten the rest > of us as to whether we might encounter these 'Fock states', and will > it be to our peril? > > TeaTeaFN - Tony > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Fri Jul 12 07:45:02 2019 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2019 13:45:02 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Dave Beaven In-Reply-To: References: <5d285b42.1c69fb81.f5922.4092@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <2cb9fb26-75b1-7d68-6f19-9589ae984369@btinternet.com> Sad news indeed, I predict a host of Dave Beaven stories are about to appear! Let me start the ball rolling! Dave, myself and Ian Furness were working on Goodwood Racing and Dave decided that as accommodation was very difficult to find we would go 'actuality' and stay at The Grand Hotel in Brighton, Dave Ovenden signed off on the actuality. At the first breakfast Dave and I were in the near empty restaurant before Ian joined us. As Ian came into the restaurant Dave told me to stand and as Ian approached say 'Good Morning Your Highness!' and bow! This was clocked by the waiters and we received superb service every day after that! Lunch at Goodwood was taken in the Seafood tent and Dave cheerily waved to Dave Ovenden on his way to the canteen! Dave didn't like Dave Ovenden and really teased him a lot. He once hid a green phone under the prod. desk and kept giving short rings on it. Dave Ovenden kept picking up the new-fangled 'bat-phone' but, of course, there was no-one on the other end. Cheers, Dave From pat.heigham at amps.net Fri Jul 12 07:49:01 2019 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2019 13:49:01 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Moon landings - 50th anniversary In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5d2881be.1c69fb81.6850c.bff0@mx.google.com> I had heard that one, years ago! Hope he got his treat ? if still alive! Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 Sent: 11 July 2019 17:38 To: Tech Ops List Subject: [Tech1] Moon landings - 50th anniversary Most of us remember the Moon Landings, an astonishing technical achievement however you hack it. Here?s a little something, unknown until now, that might give you a laugh or two. Alasdair Lawrance alawrance1 at me.com --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net Fri Jul 12 08:02:25 2019 From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt) Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2019 14:02:25 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Dave Beaven In-Reply-To: <2cb9fb26-75b1-7d68-6f19-9589ae984369@btinternet.com> References: <5d285b42.1c69fb81.f5922.4092@mx.google.com> <2cb9fb26-75b1-7d68-6f19-9589ae984369@btinternet.com> Message-ID: I think it fair to say that, even if my memory in this case doesn't run to anecdotes, it certainly recalls Dave as someone who was always fun and entertaining and exuded general bonhomie. If your working day included him you looked forward to it! As commented, another sad departure. Dave Newbitt. -----Original Message----- From: dave.mdv via Tech1 Sent: Friday, July 12, 2019 1:45 PM To: Peter Osborne ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Dave Beaven Sad news indeed, I predict a host of Dave Beaven stories are about to appear! Let me start the ball rolling! Dave, myself and Ian Furness were working on Goodwood Racing and Dave decided that as accommodation was very difficult to find we would go 'actuality' and stay at The Grand Hotel in Brighton, Dave Ovenden signed off on the actuality. At the first breakfast Dave and I were in the near empty restaurant before Ian joined us. As Ian came into the restaurant Dave told me to stand and as Ian approached say 'Good Morning Your Highness!' and bow! This was clocked by the waiters and we received superb service every day after that! Lunch at Goodwood was taken in the Seafood tent and Dave cheerily waved to Dave Ovenden on his way to the canteen! Dave didn't like Dave Ovenden and really teased him a lot. He once hid a green phone under the prod. desk and kept giving short rings on it. Dave Ovenden kept picking up the new-fangled 'bat-phone' but, of course, there was no-one on the other end. Cheers, Dave -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From alawrance1 at me.com Fri Jul 12 08:48:04 2019 From: alawrance1 at me.com (Alasdair Lawrance) Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2019 14:48:04 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Moon landings - 50th anniversary In-Reply-To: <5d2881be.1c69fb81.6850c.bff0@mx.google.com> References: <5d2881be.1c69fb81.6850c.bff0@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <218EACF1-4EA8-4A4A-AAFB-BB1F361FA078@me.com> Didn?t claim it was new! Alasdair Lawrance Don?t blame me, I voted Remain. > On 12 Jul 2019, at 13:49, patheigham wrote: > > I had heard that one, years ago! > Hope he got his treat ? if still alive! > Pat > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > From: Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 > Sent: 11 July 2019 17:38 > To: Tech Ops List > Subject: [Tech1] Moon landings - 50th anniversary > > Most of us remember the Moon Landings, an astonishing technical achievement however you hack it. > > Here?s a little something, unknown until now, that might give you a laugh or two. > > > Alasdair Lawrance > alawrance1 at me.com > > > > > > Virus-free. www.avast.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From keithwicksuk at gmail.com Fri Jul 12 12:50:20 2019 From: keithwicksuk at gmail.com (Keith Wicks) Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2019 18:50:20 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Cruel Sea In-Reply-To: <1DD64B66-9244-40AA-B20E-9A150F3408A7@btinternet.com> References: <000301d532a9$e1885dd0$a4991970$@sky.com> <5d1f4bb2.1c69fb81.c0a0f.7e27@mx.google.com> <1DD64B66-9244-40AA-B20E-9A150F3408A7@btinternet.com> Message-ID: One day in the late 1960s or early '70s, I was drinking in the Mechanics Arms, Churchfield Road, Acton. Suddenly, half-a-dozen police officers burst through the main door. Just as suddenly, most of the occupants of the bar left through another door. Guilty consciences, I suppose. But there was no need for them to worry as the police were just actors taking a break from filming ? probably Z Cars, but it might have been Minder. KW On Fri, 5 Jul 2019 at 15:21, Barry Bonner via Tech1 wrote: > ?Secret Army? were shooting one Sunday in Wandsworth using the Town Hall > as the Gestapo base. It flew the swastika on the flagpole all day, not one > member of the public seemed to notice or complained! > > Barry. > > > > On 5 Jul 2019, at 15:04, alan machin via Tech1 > wrote: > > I didn't work on it myself, but I remember hearing about a location shoot > on an army base involving actors dressed in army uniform. > Come lunchtime the actors playing officers were invited to the officers' > mess while all other ranks ate with the crew! > Having had some pretty good lunches from location caterers I'm not sure > who got the best deal, but perhaps drinks flowed in the officers' mess... > Alan. > ------------------------------ > *From:* Tech1 on behalf of patheigham via > Tech1 > *Sent:* 05 July 2019 14:08 > *To:* Dave Buckley; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > *Subject:* Re: [Tech1] Cruel Sea > > Ah! Actors in uniform! > I worked on ?Enemy at the Door? on a LWT shoot in Jersey. Loads of extras > in German uniforms. They got some filthy looks from the locals! > Pat > > > Sent from Mail for > Windows 10 > > > *From: *Dave Buckley via Tech1 > *Sent: *04 July 2019 21:49 > *To: *tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > *Subject: *[Tech1] Cruel Sea > > > One of the Commanders of the Devonport dockyard told the following story > against himself..... > > > He was walking round the yard and came across a group of officers having as > smoke with their ties loosened and their jackets undone - overall the group > looked untidy to say the least. > > > The Commander bawled them out and one of the group went over to him. They > talked for a few minutes, shook hands, and Jack Hawkins then returned to > the > group and the Commander went on his way! > > > Dave Buckley > > > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > > > > > Virus-free. www.avast.com > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Fri Jul 12 13:51:36 2019 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2019 19:51:36 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Cruel Sea In-Reply-To: References: <000301d532a9$e1885dd0$a4991970$@sky.com> <5d1f4bb2.1c69fb81.c0a0f.7e27@mx.google.com> <1DD64B66-9244-40AA-B20E-9A150F3408A7@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <5d28d6b9.1c69fb81.e1be2.6766@mx.google.com> Coupla stories: Army catering ? Shoot on Salisbury Plain, playing with large calibre Howizers. I asked for a test shot to set level ? they said that each pop cost ?75, but there would be several during the day. I put a 4037 stick mic at the breach to capture the commands and the slam of the breach, plus the firing, then an 816 pointing straight up under the flight path of the shell, as far down the range as I had cable for. Wonderful whistle as it zoomed overhead. The Army fed us in an old barracks camp nearby, and it was superb! Second story: Police 5: Many of the short appeals were reproduced, great fun to shoot, as most of the guys playing the villains were serving Met policemen, and loved bashing around as the bad guys. One I was on was shot in NE London, and we repaired to a pub for a pie and a pint. Our Police contact ? driving the shoot, in plain clothes, was sitting at the bar, and quietly asked us to vanish. She had spotted a guy wearing a distinctive ring which matched the description described in the assault. I do not know if she made an arrest, or called for back-up, as we made ourselves scarce! Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Keith Wicks via Tech1 Sent: 12 July 2019 18:51 To: Barry Bonner Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Cruel Sea One day in the late 1960s or early '70s, I was drinking in the Mechanics Arms, Churchfield Road, Acton. Suddenly, half-a-dozen police officers burst through the main door. Just as suddenly, most of the occupants of the bar left through another door. Guilty consciences, I suppose. But there was no need for them to worry as the police were just actors taking a break from filming ? probably Z Cars, but it might have been Minder. KW --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Fri Jul 12 13:58:20 2019 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2019 19:58:20 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Cruel Sea In-Reply-To: <5d28d6b9.1c69fb81.e1be2.6766@mx.google.com> References: <000301d532a9$e1885dd0$a4991970$@sky.com> <5d1f4bb2.1c69fb81.c0a0f.7e27@mx.google.com> <1DD64B66-9244-40AA-B20E-9A150F3408A7@btinternet.com> <5d28d6b9.1c69fb81.e1be2.6766@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <5ed8fb32-780d-defd-d484-c7df3a976ec3@btinternet.com> Well done Pat, I knew you would have a story or two! Cheers, Dave. PS Don't forget to invite us all to your book signing! From alanaudio at me.com Sat Jul 13 05:20:49 2019 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2019 11:20:49 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Dave Beaven In-Reply-To: References: <5d285b42.1c69fb81.f5922.4092@mx.google.com> <2cb9fb26-75b1-7d68-6f19-9589ae984369@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <48974FC6-9D7D-4F87-BA8A-E0E1DFC4D9C9@me.com> Many who know me will be aware that I have often credited two OB sound Supervisors with influencing my career more than most of the other excellent people I worked with. Ian Leiper taught me so much about working on drama while Dave Beaven taught me how to enjoy my work. Dave was a person who enjoyed a good jape and had the ability to rapidly improvise and take a wheeze onto another level. In the early seventies, quad mic cable had just been introduced, it was a distinctive blue colour and had the word "Pirelli" stamped along it at intervals. I was working with Dave on Superstars and along with a newcomer to our department, I had to put rifle mic on a distant camera. The new bloke came along to see how we do it. The riggers had run out a long quad cable alongside the camera cable, but ( shades of Eddie Gold ), the mic cable stopped about ten feet short of the camera. New bloke offered to pop back to get a short length of cable while I rigged the mic. While he was gone, I noticed that the mic cable ran under a canvas cover fifty yards away, so I neatly coiled up about 15 feet of cable under the cover, making sure that the in and out remained properly aligned. New bloke returned with the extension cable, but of course it was still a few feet short of the camera. I pointed out the "Pirelli" name on the quad cable and confided in him that we're lucky because this cable stretches if you're careful, although we've been warned that we shouldn't use that feature. I then grabbed the end and faked the effort of stretching the cable to reach the camera as it uncoiled from the distant canvas cover. Upon returning to the scanner, I told Dave about the "stretchy" Pirelli cable and when Dave next saw the new guy, he warned him "Alan is a lazy git and you need to be careful not to learn bad habits from him". Dave then directly asked him if Alan was up to his old tricks of stretching the mic cables. The new bloke was wonderfully loyal and assured Dave that I hadn't. Dave replied by saying "That's a relief. Alan is notorious for stretching these new cables because it's a convenient time saver, and while it works if you're indoors, when outdoors, the UV in the sunlight reacts with the polymers on the cable jacket to slowly revert it to it's original length. If a very long cable has been unduly stretched, the forces causing it to revert to it's natural length have been found to be strong enough to pull a camera over". When I got to be a supervisor, there were few opportunities to work with Dave, but on one occasion we were both working on the Snooker from the Reading Hexagon. I was mixing the real time recording and Dave was mixing the transmissions. Our Head of Sound was doubtless relieved that this arrangement ensured one of us was always working while the other wasn't so busy, therefore there should be no opportunity for mischief. However we declared that 16:00 every day was sound supervisors tea break and we would go off for fifteen minutes of chat and laughter. Now snooker can be incredibly boring to work on, especially the real time recordings and of course the Devil makes work for idle hands. Ron Chown was the EM and he had a penchant for inviting the Embassy cigarette promotion girls to look inside the scanner. You soon got to learn his patter, where he demonstrate various things in the production control room. One of them was a big red volume control and he would demonstrate how it adjusts the volume of the production speakers. I decided to re-plug the feed to the production speakers via an input of the otherwise unused audience mixer. Normally that input would be left at zero and everything works as normal, but when Ron turned down the volume, I could fade it out completely and he was unable to restore it. When he complained to us about loss of programme sound, the SA! would go in and fiddle with the volume control ( while I restore it ) and say "Somebody turned down the volume and didn't turn it up properly afterwards". which didn't make Ron feel so clever while trying to show off to a pretty woman. That was just a simple prank and not particularly funny, but I soon realised that if I had a mixer routed to the production speakers, I could add additional sounds to those speakers. I looked through the cupboards hoping to find amusing sound effect recordings, but all I could find was the horse's hooves tape and the one of athletes running on a track ( known as the Athlete's Foot tape ) , neither of which could be plausibly played within a snooker tournament. But I eventually found a cassette tape of a telephone ringing continually. I added the ringing telephone sound to the production speakers at a very subtle level. Mike Adley was directing and I slowly increased the volume. Before long, Mike asked the floor manager to find the the telephone and lift the handset off the cradle, the floor manager asked "What telephone?'. Mike then asked if any of the cameramen had the talkback mics open near a telephone, no joy there either. He then asked me if the telephone was going out on transmission and I assured him that there was no telephone noise on my speakers, so no need to worry. At Sound Supervisor's tea break, I told Dave about the extra feed to the production speaker and Dave asked if he could borrow the cassette recording. He also asked me which frame of which match I did it on. When they were transmitting that frame of the tournament, by a wonderful coincidence, Mike Adley was directing the transmissions. Dave repeated the same gag, subtly adding the incessantly ringing telephone bell to the production speakers. Once Mike noticed the sound, he asked Dave to formally confirm that there a telephone was ringing throughout the recording. Dave assured him that there was nothing of the sort on the sound loudspeakers and the recording was clean. Unimpressed by Dave not being able to hear what was clearly audible, Mike called transmission control in TVC and asked them to ensure that the official written log reported a telephone ringing, but they insisted that there was no telephone noise Mike slammed down the phone angrily declaring "Everybody's fucking deaf!!!". Dave was a person I was tremendously fond of and I always looked forward to any every occasion when I was scheduled to work with him. It was always a delight working with him.. Dave once said something to me which I regard as the very essence of his style. "You don't have to be solemn to take it seriously". Alan Taylor On 12 Jul 2019, at 12 Jul . 14:02, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: > I think it fair to say that, even if my memory in this case doesn't run to anecdotes, it certainly recalls Dave as someone who was always fun and entertaining and exuded general bonhomie. If your working day included him you looked forward to it! > > As commented, another sad departure. > > Dave Newbitt. > > -----Original Message----- From: dave.mdv via Tech1 > Sent: Friday, July 12, 2019 1:45 PM > To: Peter Osborne ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > Subject: Re: [Tech1] Dave Beaven > > Sad news indeed, I predict a host of Dave Beaven stories are about to > appear! Let me start the ball rolling! Dave, myself and Ian Furness were > working on Goodwood Racing and Dave decided that as accommodation was > very difficult to find we would go 'actuality' and stay at The Grand > Hotel in Brighton, Dave Ovenden signed off on the actuality. At the > first breakfast Dave and I were in the near empty restaurant before Ian > joined us. As Ian came into the restaurant Dave told me to stand and as > Ian approached say 'Good Morning Your Highness!' and bow! This was > clocked by the waiters and we received superb service every day after > that! Lunch at Goodwood was taken in the Seafood tent and Dave cheerily > waved to Dave Ovenden on his way to the canteen! Dave didn't like Dave > Ovenden and really teased him a lot. He once hid a green phone under the > prod. desk and kept giving short rings on it. Dave Ovenden kept picking > up the new-fangled 'bat-phone' but, of course, there was no-one on the > other end. Cheers, Dave > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From robert.miles at soundsuper.co.uk Sun Jul 14 08:00:12 2019 From: robert.miles at soundsuper.co.uk (Robert Miles) Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2019 14:00:12 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] M & W Christmas Show 1970 Message-ID: <004f01d53a44$13235f10$396a1d30$@soundsuper.co.uk> Anyone know the recording date(s) for the Morecambe & Wise 1970 Christmas Show with Eric Porter. I'm passing on the autographed ticket to a friend whose idol is Eric M. Thanks Rob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: M&W 2.JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 791478 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Dave Newbitt. DD Newbitt. headlight was articulated with the steering so anywhere you steered. the headlight would follow. Forest Tucker did not take into effect that drivers were constantly moving the wheel to make minor corrections to their path. The effect at night, as viewed by pedestrians, was a drunken motorcycle being closely pursued by an automobile. headlight was articulated with the steering so anywhere you steered. the headlight would follow. Forest Tucker did not take into effect that drivers were constantly moving the wheel to make minor corrections to their path. The effect at night, as viewed by pedes -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bernie833 at gmail.com Sun Jul 14 09:29:34 2019 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2019 15:29:34 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Tucker 1948 Safety Car In-Reply-To: <78032447784E4A64A6B0962E07C68560@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> References: <78032447784E4A64A6B0962E07C68560@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> Message-ID: Or there's this on the same site and still for sale, which is really a recent kit - https://nostalgicmotoringltd.com/1965-backdraft-cobra-rt3-roadster/? Or you could offer money for this - B On 14/07/2019 14:29, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: > I knew little about this vehicle until recently so wondered if it > might interest any amongst you :- > https://nostalgicmotoringltd.com/1948-tucker-48-sedan/ > Description is fascinating, photos excellent. ?Star? feature was the > centre headlight which articulated with the steering, giving rise to > the following assessment by one wag : > ?The centre headlight swivelled with steering wheel movement so, as > you steered, the light would follow. The makers did not take into > account the consequence of drivers constantly moving the steering > wheel to make minor corrections. At night, as viewed by pedestrians, > the effect was that of a drunken motorcyclist closely pursued by a car!? > Dave Newbitt. > DD Newbitt. headlight was articulated with the steering so anywhere > you steered. the headlight would follow. Forest Tucker did not take > into effect that drivers were constantly moving the wheel to make > minor corrections to their path. The effect at night, as viewed by > pedestrians, was a drunken motorcycle being closely pursued by an > automobile. headlight was articulated with the steering so anywhere > you steered. the headlight would follow. Forest Tucker did not take > into effect that drivers were constantly moving the wheel to make > minor corrections to their path. The effect at night, as viewed by pedes > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: kgfhimhdmlkpabei.png Type: image/png Size: 260489 bytes Desc: not available URL: From ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com Sun Jul 14 10:55:19 2019 From: ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com (Albert Barber) Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2019 16:55:19 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] M & W Christmas Show 1970 In-Reply-To: <004f01d53a44$13235f10$396a1d30$@soundsuper.co.uk> References: <004f01d53a44$13235f10$396a1d30$@soundsuper.co.uk> Message-ID: <1C82578F-CB9B-4BBD-A932-A45D11100466@btinternet.com> Friday 25 December? 1970 20.15 The Morecambe and Wise?Christmas?Show Friday = starring Eric and Ernie Written by EDDIE BRABEN A laughter-packed holiday special with a star-studded array of guests. Peter Cushing , William Franklyn, Nina, Eric Porter Edward Woodward and featuring KENNY BALL AND HIS JAZZMEN ANN HAMILTON , ALAN CURTIS with REX RASHLEY and JANET WEBB Orchestra directed by PETER KNIGHT Sound by ADRIAN BISHOP-LAGGETT and ADRIAN STOCKS Costumes by SONIA KERE Lighting by PETER WESSON Designed by BERNARD LLOYD-JONES Produced by JOHN AMMONDS (Eric Porter is an associate member of the RSC; Edward Woodward Is a National Theatre player) > On 14 Jul 2019, at 14:00, Robert Miles via Tech1 wrote: > > Anyone know the recording date(s) for the Morecambe & Wise 1970 Christmas Show with Eric Porter. I?m passing on the autographed ticket to a friend whose idol is Eric M. > > Thanks > > Rob > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From davidpcarter at btinternet.com Sun Jul 14 11:23:53 2019 From: davidpcarter at btinternet.com (davidpcarter at btinternet.com) Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2019 17:23:53 +0100 (BST) Subject: [Tech1] Anyone for cheese? In-Reply-To: <15C1938E70214E9A8BB6A5EC92E6A607@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> References: <73472892-2D7D-4D17-9773-E80843A92D1F@icloud.com> <15C1938E70214E9A8BB6A5EC92E6A607@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> Message-ID: <492a7af2.15a2.16bf14c3ba3.Webtop.47@btinternet.com> Scratch no more! Li'l Abner. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_TfcJ82FAhw ------ Original Message ------ From: "David Newbitt via Tech1" To: "Peter Neill" ; "Tech Ops List" Sent: Saturday, 6 Jul, 2019 At 23:13 Subject: Re: [Tech1] Anyone for cheese? Interesting one Peter ? I didn?t know the BBC had done this. Can?t imagine ?Jubilation T Cornpone? slotting into the Huxley somehow so the head scratching continues! Dave N. From: Peter Neill via Tech1 Sent: Saturday, July 6, 2019 6:28 PM To: Tech Ops List Subject: Re: [Tech1] Anyone for cheese? I worked on this: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0421564/?ref_=nm_flmg_act_23 Directed by the great Dougie Camfield, the thing that sticks in my mind is that is during one of the cameramen?s ?only do one thing at a time? work to rule and Dougie meticulously went through the script and made sure that every shot was achievable within the rules. I remarked to him in the bar afterwards that, in some ways, the lack of development shots suited the period in which it was set i.e. it looked like an old American B&W movie. I?m not sure that he agreed with me. Peter Neill On 6 Jul 2019, at 06:59, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: Indeed Geoff, Stubby Kaye. I believe he resided in the UK for a time though I?m not sure when. This appearance may or may not have been from that time. I would be interested to know more about his BBC TV appearances as I certainly worked on a production where he sang ?Jubilation T Cornpone? and I struggle to recall what and when that was. My memory keeps returning to the BBC revival of ?No Trams to Lime Street? which I worked on but I find no mention of him in connection with that production so can only assume I?ve made a false connection. Dave N. From: Geoff Fletcher Sent: Saturday, July 6, 2019 12:05 AM To: David Newbitt Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Anyone for cheese? Stubby Kaye on the left? Geoff F On Fri, 5 Jul 2019 at 22:39, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: Very much of it?s time so mustn?t judge too harshly! I think I worked on some of these but can?t remember for sure. Anybody recall this? Dave Newbitt. -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From robert.miles at soundsuper.co.uk Sun Jul 14 12:00:26 2019 From: robert.miles at soundsuper.co.uk (Robert Miles) Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2019 18:00:26 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] M & W Christmas Show 1970 In-Reply-To: <1C82578F-CB9B-4BBD-A932-A45D11100466@btinternet.com> References: <004f01d53a44$13235f10$396a1d30$@soundsuper.co.uk> <1C82578F-CB9B-4BBD-A932-A45D11100466@btinternet.com> Message-ID: Thanks fot that credit detail Albert . I would like to know the recording date rather than the TX and if possible, the studio. Thanks Rob Sent from my Xperia? by Sony smartphone ---- Albert Barber wrote ---- >Friday >25 December? >1970 >20.15 The Morecambe and Wise?Christmas?Show >Friday >= > > > >starring Eric and Ernie Written by EDDIE BRABEN >A laughter-packed holiday special with a star-studded array of guests. Peter Cushing , William Franklyn, Nina, Eric Porter >Edward Woodward and featuring KENNY BALL AND HIS JAZZMEN >ANN HAMILTON , ALAN CURTIS with REX RASHLEY and JANET WEBB >Orchestra directed by PETER KNIGHT Sound by ADRIAN BISHOP-LAGGETT and ADRIAN STOCKS >Costumes by SONIA KERE Lighting by PETER WESSON >Designed by BERNARD LLOYD-JONES Produced by JOHN AMMONDS >(Eric Porter is an associate member of the RSC; Edward Woodward Is a National Theatre player) >> On 14 Jul 2019, at 14:00, Robert Miles via Tech1 wrote: >> >> Anyone know the recording date(s) for the Morecambe & Wise 1970 Christmas Show with Eric Porter. I?m passing on the autographed ticket to a friend whose idol is Eric M. >> >> Thanks >> >> Rob >> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Sun Jul 14 12:11:15 2019 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2019 18:11:15 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Tucker 1948 Safety Car In-Reply-To: <78032447784E4A64A6B0962E07C68560@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> References: <78032447784E4A64A6B0962E07C68560@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> Message-ID: <85426a99-25fa-765e-3754-ee1d7437262d@btinternet.com> What a great motor! It would go nicely on my forecourt with my wife's pink Jazz! Cheers, Dave From waresound at msn.com Sun Jul 14 13:36:46 2019 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2019 18:36:46 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Tucker 1948 Safety Car In-Reply-To: <85426a99-25fa-765e-3754-ee1d7437262d@btinternet.com> References: <78032447784E4A64A6B0962E07C68560@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>, <85426a99-25fa-765e-3754-ee1d7437262d@btinternet.com> Message-ID: I live in a cul-de-sac where all of the houses have double garages, but all of the cars live on the driveways because the garages are full of junk, or have been converted into utility rooms, home-offices, etc. (Or could it be that they?ve filled the garages with junk so that they can show off their swanky cars on the driveways?) My neighbour has two cars, a red Mazda MX-5 and a bright red Lotus Elise sitting on their drive, both immaculate and both with his and hers personalised number plates. The surprising thing is that he is 86 and, has had a triple heart bypass, has advanced Parkinsons, and a severely bent spine. They live four days a week in a mansion on the Isle of Wight, but when they?re here, he hauls himself into the Mazda, and off he goes. According to her (aged 84 and fit as a fiddle), she only has the Lotus so that she can keep up with him, and refuses to go in his car with him! On the IOW they have a Mercedes which he recently crashed and wrote off. His occupation before he retired? - Something you wouldn?t believe, but that?s a story for another day. Cheers, Nick. Sent from my iPad On 14 Jul 2019, at 18:11, dave.mdv via Tech1 > wrote: What a great motor! It would go nicely on my forecourt with my wife's pink Jazz! Cheers, Dave -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Sun Jul 14 15:04:35 2019 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2019 21:04:35 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Anyone for cheese? In-Reply-To: <492a7af2.15a2.16bf14c3ba3.Webtop.47@btinternet.com> References: <73472892-2D7D-4D17-9773-E80843A92D1F@icloud.com> <15C1938E70214E9A8BB6A5EC92E6A607@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> <492a7af2.15a2.16bf14c3ba3.Webtop.47@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <5d2b8ad3.1c69fb81.8f6ca.0b3d@mx.google.com> Wonderful! I note that it was a studio shoot. When I worked on Fiddler (looking after playback and recording,) it was shot in real locations, which gave rise to problems which were overcome. See attachment for further details! Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: davidpcarter--- via Tech1 Sent: 14 July 2019 17:24 Subject: Re: [Tech1] Anyone for cheese? Scratch no more! Li'l Abner. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_TfcJ82FAhw --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Working on Fiddler on the Roof.pdf Type: application/pdf Size: 24480 bytes Desc: not available URL: From jcpcavaciuti at gmail.com Sun Jul 14 15:50:03 2019 From: jcpcavaciuti at gmail.com (John Cavaciuti) Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2019 21:50:03 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] M & W Christmas Show 1970 In-Reply-To: References: <004f01d53a44$13235f10$396a1d30$@soundsuper.co.uk> <1C82578F-CB9B-4BBD-A932-A45D11100466@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <555BDF92-48B5-4B55-BF1C-E897BCA84884@gmail.com> Hi Rob, My 1970 diary reveals that I worked on 15th & 16th December in TC6 on the Morecambe and Wise Show. Hope this helps. John Cav. > On 14 Jul 2019, at 18:00, Robert Miles via Tech1 wrote: > > Thanks fot that credit detail Albert . I would like to know the recording date rather than the TX and if possible, the studio. > > Thanks > Rob > > Sent from my Xperia? by Sony smartphone > > > > ---- Albert Barber wrote ---- > > Friday > 25 December? > 1970 > 20.15 The Morecambe and Wise?Christmas?Show > Friday > = > > > > starring Eric and Ernie Written by EDDIE BRABEN > A laughter-packed holiday special with a star-studded array of guests. Peter Cushing , William Franklyn, Nina, Eric Porter > Edward Woodward and featuring KENNY BALL AND HIS JAZZMEN > ANN HAMILTON , ALAN CURTIS with REX RASHLEY and JANET WEBB > Orchestra directed by PETER KNIGHT Sound by ADRIAN BISHOP-LAGGETT and ADRIAN STOCKS > Costumes by SONIA KERE Lighting by PETER WESSON > Designed by BERNARD LLOYD-JONES Produced by JOHN AMMONDS > (Eric Porter is an associate member of the RSC; Edward Woodward Is a National Theatre player) >> On 14 Jul 2019, at 14:00, Robert Miles via Tech1 > wrote: >> >> Anyone know the recording date(s) for the Morecambe & Wise 1970 Christmas Show with Eric Porter. I?m passing on the autographed ticket to a friend whose idol is Eric M. >> >> Thanks >> >> Rob >> >> >> >>-- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From robert.miles at soundsuper.co.uk Sun Jul 14 16:11:45 2019 From: robert.miles at soundsuper.co.uk (Robert Miles) Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2019 22:11:45 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] M & W Christmas Show 1970 In-Reply-To: <555BDF92-48B5-4B55-BF1C-E897BCA84884@gmail.com> References: <004f01d53a44$13235f10$396a1d30$@soundsuper.co.uk> <1C82578F-CB9B-4BBD-A932-A45D11100466@btinternet.com> <555BDF92-48B5-4B55-BF1C-E897BCA84884@gmail.com> Message-ID: <2ejqol53nm3e054k2gkgmrmh.1563138705251@email.android.com> Many thanks John for taking the time looking it up. Rob Sent from my Xperia? by Sony smartphone ---- John Cavaciuti wrote ---- >Hi Rob, > >My 1970 diary reveals that I worked on 15th & 16th December in TC6 on the Morecambe and Wise Show. > >Hope this helps. > >John Cav. > >> On 14 Jul 2019, at 18:00, Robert Miles via Tech1 wrote: >> >> Thanks fot that credit detail Albert . I would like to know the recording date rather than the TX and if possible, the studio. >> >> Thanks >> Rob >> >> Sent from my Xperia? by Sony smartphone >> >> >> >> ---- Albert Barber wrote ---- >> >> Friday >> 25 December? >> 1970 >> 20.15 The Morecambe and Wise?Christmas?Show >> Friday >> = >> >> >> >> starring Eric and Ernie Written by EDDIE BRABEN >> A laughter-packed holiday special with a star-studded array of guests. Peter Cushing , William Franklyn, Nina, Eric Porter >> Edward Woodward and featuring KENNY BALL AND HIS JAZZMEN >> ANN HAMILTON , ALAN CURTIS with REX RASHLEY and JANET WEBB >> Orchestra directed by PETER KNIGHT Sound by ADRIAN BISHOP-LAGGETT and ADRIAN STOCKS >> Costumes by SONIA KERE Lighting by PETER WESSON >> Designed by BERNARD LLOYD-JONES Produced by JOHN AMMONDS >> (Eric Porter is an associate member of the RSC; Edward Woodward Is a National Theatre player) >>> On 14 Jul 2019, at 14:00, Robert Miles via Tech1 > wrote: >>> >>> Anyone know the recording date(s) for the Morecambe & Wise 1970 Christmas Show with Eric Porter. I?m passing on the autographed ticket to a friend whose idol is Eric M. >>> >>> Thanks >>> >>> Rob >>> >>> >>> >>-- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net Sun Jul 14 17:26:34 2019 From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt) Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2019 23:26:34 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Tucker 1948 Safety Car In-Reply-To: References: <78032447784E4A64A6B0962E07C68560@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>, <85426a99-25fa-765e-3754-ee1d7437262d@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <5ADFB7B794CC4FBE88738C60AF320FEF@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> Curiously enough Nick, we too live in a cul-de-sac with neighbours on one side in their eighties ? he 84 her a little younger. They sport a BMW and a Mercedes, the latter just replaced with a new C Class Coup?. His favourite though has always been his Series III V12 E-type which he often messes about with laid on his back in mechanic?s overalls. Sad to say as of a few weeks back he sold it consequent on eyesight not being as good as it once was. He still regularly both flies and glides from Dunkeswell Aerodrome having held a private pilot?s license for most of his adult life. I?m only 76 but can?t match him for energy or range of activity. Wonderful to see though. This was his E?type which I photographed a year ago just a couple of hundred yards from our home. Pat knows them and it was through that connection and an afternoon tea enjoyed together that I joined the list. . Dave Newbitt. From: Nick Ware via Tech1 Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2019 7:36 PM To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Tucker 1948 Safety Car I live in a cul-de-sac where all of the houses have double garages, but all of the cars live on the driveways because the garages are full of junk, or have been converted into utility rooms, home-offices, etc. (Or could it be that they?ve filled the garages with junk so that they can show off their swanky cars on the driveways?) My neighbour has two cars, a red Mazda MX-5 and a bright red Lotus Elise sitting on their drive, both immaculate and both with his and hers personalised number plates. The surprising thing is that he is 86 and, has had a triple heart bypass, has advanced Parkinsons, and a severely bent spine. They live four days a week in a mansion on the Isle of Wight, but when they?re here, he hauls himself into the Mazda, and off he goes. According to her (aged 84 and fit as a fiddle), she only has the Lotus so that she can keep up with him, and refuses to go in his car with him! On the IOW they have a Mercedes which he recently crashed and wrote off. His occupation before he retired? - Something you wouldn?t believe, but that?s a story for another day. Cheers, Nick. Sent from my iPad On 14 Jul 2019, at 18:11, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: What a great motor! It would go nicely on my forecourt with my wife's pink Jazz! Cheers, Dave -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <492a7af2.15a2.16bf14c3ba3.Webtop.47@btinternet.com> References: <73472892-2D7D-4D17-9773-E80843A92D1F@icloud.com> <15C1938E70214E9A8BB6A5EC92E6A607@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> <492a7af2.15a2.16bf14c3ba3.Webtop.47@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <45238CC795DD44B8B90B279E6334CDA7@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> Enjoyed that David ? many thanks. I still can?t nail the BBC production the number was featured in though. Dave Newbitt. From: davidpcarter at btinternet.com Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2019 5:23 PM To: David Newbitt ; Peter Neill ; Tech Ops List Subject: Re: [Tech1] Anyone for cheese? Scratch no more! Li'l Abner. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_TfcJ82FAhw ------ Original Message ------ From: "David Newbitt via Tech1" To: "Peter Neill" ; "Tech Ops List" Sent: Saturday, 6 Jul, 2019 At 23:13 Subject: Re: [Tech1] Anyone for cheese? Interesting one Peter ? I didn?t know the BBC had done this. Can?t imagine ?Jubilation T Cornpone? slotting into the Huxley somehow so the head scratching continues! Dave N. From: Peter Neill via Tech1 Sent: Saturday, July 6, 2019 6:28 PM To: Tech Ops List Subject: Re: [Tech1] Anyone for cheese? I worked on this: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0421564/?ref_=nm_flmg_act_23 Directed by the great Dougie Camfield, the thing that sticks in my mind is that is during one of the cameramen?s ?only do one thing at a time? work to rule and Dougie meticulously went through the script and made sure that every shot was achievable within the rules. I remarked to him in the bar afterwards that, in some ways, the lack of development shots suited the period in which it was set i.e. it looked like an old American B&W movie. I?m not sure that he agreed with me. Peter Neill On 6 Jul 2019, at 06:59, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: Indeed Geoff, Stubby Kaye. I believe he resided in the UK for a time though I?m not sure when. This appearance may or may not have been from that time. I would be interested to know more about his BBC TV appearances as I certainly worked on a production where he sang ?Jubilation T Cornpone? and I struggle to recall what and when that was. My memory keeps returning to the BBC revival of ?No Trams to Lime Street? which I worked on but I find no mention of him in connection with that production so can only assume I?ve made a false connection. Dave N. From: Geoff Fletcher Sent: Saturday, July 6, 2019 12:05 AM To: David Newbitt Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Anyone for cheese? Stubby Kaye on the left? Geoff F On Fri, 5 Jul 2019 at 22:39, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: Very much of it?s time so mustn?t judge too harshly! I think I worked on some of these but can?t remember for sure. Anybody recall this? 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Your body doesn't forget, and the actual flying, once learned, is no more complex than driving a Heron - more knobs and buttons, less accuracy - but they keep putting more obstacles in the sky, and now most people fly with a GPS to make sure they don't meet an EasyJet going the other way. Currently I think I've been there done that. B On 14/07/2019 23:26, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: > Curiously enough Nick, we too live in a cul-de-sac with neighbours on > one side in their eighties ? he 84 her a little younger. They sport a > BMW and a Mercedes, the latter just replaced with a new C Class Coup?. > His favourite though has always been his Series III V12 E-type which > he often messes about with laid on his back in mechanic?s overalls. > Sad to say as of a few weeks back he sold it consequent on eyesight > not being as good as it once was. He still regularly both flies and > glides from Dunkeswell Aerodrome having held a private pilot?s license > for most of his adult life. I?m only 76 but can?t match him for energy > or range of activity. Wonderful to see though. This was his E?type > which I photographed a year ago just a couple of hundred yards from > our home. Pat knows them and it was through that connection and an > afternoon tea enjoyed together that I joined the list. > . > Dave Newbitt. > *From:* Nick Ware via Tech1 > *Sent:* Sunday, July 14, 2019 7:36 PM > *To:* tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > *Subject:* Re: [Tech1] Tucker 1948 Safety Car > I live in a cul-de-sac where all of the houses have double garages, > but all of the cars live on the driveways because the garages are full > of junk, or have been converted into utility rooms, home-offices, etc. > (Or could it be that they?ve filled the garages with junk so that they > can show off their swanky cars on the driveways?) > My neighbour has two cars, a red Mazda MX-5 and a bright red Lotus > Elise sitting on their drive, both immaculate and both with his and > hers personalised number plates. The surprising thing is that he is 86 > and, has had a triple heart bypass, has advanced Parkinsons, and a > severely bent spine. They live four days a week in a mansion on the > Isle of Wight, but when they?re here, he hauls himself into the Mazda, > and off he goes. According to her (aged 84 and fit as a fiddle), she > only has the Lotus so that she can keep up with him, and refuses to go > in his car with him! > On the IOW they have a Mercedes which he recently crashed and wrote off. > His occupation before he retired? - Something you wouldn?t believe, > but that?s a story for another day. > Cheers, > Nick. > > Sent from my iPad > > On 14 Jul 2019, at 18:11, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: > >> What a great motor! It would go nicely on my forecourt with my wife's >> pink Jazz! Cheers, Dave >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: DSC06329 copy[3].jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 218309 bytes Desc: not available URL: From ian.hillson at gmail.com Mon Jul 15 14:49:09 2019 From: ian.hillson at gmail.com (Ian H) Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2019 20:49:09 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] TVC tours Message-ID: "Cheeky old ITV are offering tours of their rented studios at Television Centre which are home to GMB, Lorraine, This Morning and Loose Women, plus their green rooms, make-up areas etc. Full adult price for a 90-minute visit - ?27.50. 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Cheers, Dave From peter.neill at icloud.com Mon Jul 15 15:38:12 2019 From: peter.neill at icloud.com (Peter Neill) Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2019 21:38:12 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Fonts In-Reply-To: <3f1359df-a237-3636-69bc-a77b2d569d6c@btinternet.com> References: <3f1359df-a237-3636-69bc-a77b2d569d6c@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <2F3C05D0-E922-463E-A5D6-2BAE4AF661A6@icloud.com> They?re specially designed for the Beeb and called - wait for it - Reith. Weather started using them just over 2 weeks ago, the official launch for News was today (though they inadvertently transmitted a bulletin using them last week. They?re gradually being adopted by other programmes as well. Peter Neill > On 15 Jul 2019, at 21:26, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: > > Does anyone like the new fonts being used on the BBC News bottom-of-screen headlines and name captions? I certainly don't! Cheers, Dave > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://track.smtpsendemail.com/20919/c?p=H8qwAGiqd-1uP1Mvaa5r4uHL-hZSvg7mOtyAztQuip9YDbI6X8Tf-E1NfndVCMzEbnun3xklXrIzeLleAorSjvKDJl3L2JVL05B9wHvQhPYA_9_oEjRXckA8Nqy2wW8f6jkpLOqIttTsXJ71s6OTfzzFcBAy37Kfjyljl2krMSnDSkch1cecesaN35Pa0xyz -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From peter.neill at icloud.com Mon Jul 15 15:40:50 2019 From: peter.neill at icloud.com (Peter Neill) Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2019 21:40:50 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Fonts In-Reply-To: <3f1359df-a237-3636-69bc-a77b2d569d6c@btinternet.com> References: <3f1359df-a237-3636-69bc-a77b2d569d6c@btinternet.com> Message-ID: Whoops - pressed send too soon. I first saw them about 6 months ago and didn?t like them - but I have to say they?ve grown on me. Sport has been using the Sans Serif version for some time now. Peter > On 15 Jul 2019, at 21:26, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: > > Does anyone like the new fonts being used on the BBC News bottom-of-screen headlines and name captions? I certainly don't! Cheers, Dave > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://track.smtpsendemail.com/20919/c?p=G6w3St8qdLfkt24Fv1dOjC4bYBu2mFat-jmu8c8WbYG8Ep5nQtxMM9n0ysw_mfGi8lKFXmVW7tfkTyYNgd2PL1vIB6AsK5-XBkCHsN8BGSmIgWMLM2vnMTEltRxU-Hdsab6X3YdnSqFrQoc_Ap1U1CrZHPbF9REV057qtezHx3LNHMQlkTM4xSvoj2_YOH5- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Mon Jul 15 15:57:24 2019 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2019 21:57:24 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Fonts In-Reply-To: <2F3C05D0-E922-463E-A5D6-2BAE4AF661A6@icloud.com> References: <3f1359df-a237-3636-69bc-a77b2d569d6c@btinternet.com> <2F3C05D0-E922-463E-A5D6-2BAE4AF661A6@icloud.com> Message-ID: <17433a16-baa3-e201-e3ed-b820ee8b1395@btinternet.com> Thanks Pete, I knew you would know something about them! Cheers, Dave From dave at davesound.co.uk Tue Jul 16 08:12:36 2019 From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman) Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2019 14:12:36 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Tucker 1948 Safety Car In-Reply-To: References: <78032447784E4A64A6B0962E07C68560@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> <85426a99-25fa-765e-3754-ee1d7437262d@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <57d47d982fdave@davesound.co.uk> Most of the garages I see built with the house are so small as to be inconvenient to use. So narrow you have to be careful not to scratch a door on the wall when opening it. Even more so since cars only ever seem to get larger. I'm not yet in my 80s, but love my Boxster. Bought as a motorbike substitute for my third childhood. When I first got it I had difficulty getting out as it is so low. And notice passengers do too. But now I'm used to it, can get out without leaning on the door. Only concession I made was to get an auto. 7 speed PDK box and just brilliant. In article , Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: > I live in a cul-de-sac where all of the houses have double garages, but all of the cars live on the driveways because the garages are full of junk, or have been converted into utility rooms, home-offices, etc. (Or could it be that they?ve filled the garages with junk so that they can show off their swanky cars on the driveways?) > My neighbour has two cars, a red Mazda MX-5 and a bright red Lotus Elise sitting on their drive, both immaculate and both with his and hers personalised number plates. The surprising thing is that he is 86 and, has had a triple heart bypass, has advanced Parkinsons, and a severely bent spine. They live four days a week in a mansion on the Isle of Wight, but when they?re here, he hauls himself into the Mazda, and off he goes. According to her (aged 84 and fit as a fiddle), she only has the Lotus so that she can keep up with him, and refuses to go in his car with him! > On the IOW they have a Mercedes which he recently crashed and wrote off. > His occupation before he retired? - Something you wouldn?t believe, but that?s a story for another day. > Cheers, > Nick. > Sent from my iPad > On 14 Jul 2019, at 18:11, dave.mdv via Tech1 > wrote: > What a great motor! It would go nicely on my forecourt with my wife's pink Jazz! Cheers, Dave > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- *That's it! I?m calling grandma! Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From keithwicksuk at gmail.com Tue Jul 16 09:53:53 2019 From: keithwicksuk at gmail.com (Keith Wicks) Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2019 15:53:53 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] The price of a pint Message-ID: I was shocked to read here recently how much could be charged for gin and tonic in Oxford. But worse was to come. One chain of London pubs is charging ?22.50 for a pint of beer. It's a very strong beer, so just one pint per session should be enough for most people. More at: https://www.mylondon.news/whats-on/food-drink-news/theres-pub-london-pint-costs-16580454 KW -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bernie833 at gmail.com Wed Jul 17 03:05:14 2019 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2019 09:05:14 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Overheard Message-ID: Over hotel breakfast - lady behind me "I felt far too vulnerable wrapped in cling film" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net Wed Jul 17 04:14:10 2019 From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt) Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2019 10:14:10 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Overheard In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <603E077080A04D14A82DA5DFDC887D36@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> Well, one thing?s for sure ? Tech. Ops. Forum is the place to come for breadth of education! You tactfully didn?t estimate the lady?s weight though no doubt it might have been a factor in the background to her remark. Dave Newbitt. From: Bernard Newnham via Tech1 Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2019 9:05 AM To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: [Tech1] Overheard Over hotel breakfast - lady behind me "I felt far too vulnerable wrapped in cling film" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net Wed Jul 17 04:21:57 2019 From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt) Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2019 10:21:57 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Nostalgia adverts. Message-ID: <3722029718244EFD9A05EF0FCDC792EB@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> Love this one ? seems female emancipation was well under way ahead of health and safety! Dave Newbitt. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: BSA%20Bantam%20ad%201[4].jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 154120 bytes Desc: not available URL: From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk Wed Jul 17 04:31:29 2019 From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf) Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2019 10:31:29 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Overheard In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: M'dear, you ~know~ we should be avoiding single-use plastic! Chris W On 17/07/2019 09:05, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: > Over hotel breakfast - lady behind me "I felt far too vulnerable > wrapped in cling film" > --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com Wed Jul 17 05:13:34 2019 From: ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com (Albert Barber) Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2019 11:13:34 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Nostalgia adverts. In-Reply-To: <3722029718244EFD9A05EF0FCDC792EB@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> References: <3722029718244EFD9A05EF0FCDC792EB@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> Message-ID: <2BD89AD1-B49C-4A28-9439-2E5B5713D696@btinternet.com> This set of callendar pin ups from the 40?s formed the basis of American Bombers designs in WW2 > On 17 Jul 2019, at 10:21, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: > > Love this one ? seems female emancipation was well under way ahead of health and safety! > > > > Dave Newbitt. > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: pin ups.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 86487 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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From: Albert Barber Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2019 11:13 AM To: David Newbitt Cc: Albert Barber ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Nostalgia adverts. This set of callendar pin ups from the 40?s formed the basis of American Bombers designs in WW2 On 17 Jul 2019, at 10:21, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: Love this one ? seems female emancipation was well under way ahead of health and safety! Dave Newbitt. -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: pin ups.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 86487 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: attachment Type: image/jpeg Size: 5923 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Shows how times have changed but of their time. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R1FcnKT3WDQ > On 17 Jul 2019, at 11:23, David Newbitt wrote: > > Well, that?s spiced the morning up nicely Albert! > > From: Albert Barber <> > Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2019 11:13 AM > To: David Newbitt <> > Cc: Albert Barber <> ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <> > Subject: Re: [Tech1] Nostalgia adverts. > > This set of callendar pin ups from the 40?s formed the basis of American Bombers designs in WW2 > > <260px-Honey_Bunny_P-38.JPG><260px-Virgin_Atlantic_Varga_Girl.jpg> >> On 17 Jul 2019, at 10:21, David Newbitt via Tech1 > wrote: >> >> Love this one ? seems female emancipation was well under way ahead of health and safety! >> >> >> >> Dave Newbitt. >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <> >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Maybe it would help if I remembered the attachment!! Dave N. From: David Newbitt Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2019 2:34 PM To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Norton Commando 850 Mk III 1975 I?m guessing there may be at least one Norton motorbike fan somewhere out there, so am attaching a Word Document with a decent background write up on the Mk III Commando. I find it interesting on a second level because the description of the demise of motorcycle production in this country seems symptomatic of what happened to the broad manufacturing sector right across the UK. Dave Newbitt. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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ForwardedMessage.eml Subject: Memories From: Garth Tucker mailto:tuckergarth at me.com Date: 18/07/2019, 12:49 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk I happened to take a walk in Hammersmith (it happened to be close to Charing Cross Hospital) and had memories stirred. Garth -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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"A great honour" he said, "but I'd rather make wildlife films". Which of course, he later returned to with spectacular success. Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Mike Jordan via Tech1 Sent: 18 July 2019 16:22 To: Bernard Newnham; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Forwarded because the system didn't like it, don't knowwhy The Chancellors still has a good display of pictures of old BBC programmes made in Riverside and the lady there remembers us all visiting whilst doing TFIFriday back in the 80s ? Before they did this to Riverside! ? Mike ? --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Thu Jul 18 18:47:20 2019 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2019 00:47:20 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Riverside Studios In-Reply-To: <9810DCA87863447A9692E62362B9C0F3@Gigabyte> References: <2f758514-1e10-212f-aeea-6684cfbc6b4c@gmail.com> <9810DCA87863447A9692E62362B9C0F3@Gigabyte> Message-ID: What a sad sight! All those memorable programs for many years, even before the BBC got them. We all cut our teeth on the Riverside training week to decide whether you should do cameras or sound! Laurie Duly and Keith Blair put us through our paces and we did all sorts of program exercises to determine where our skills (if any!) lay. I was told I should be a camera person, but having done three years in radio in Birmingham I really didn't want to change horses! Even after my BBC career I was still working there for Ch.4 doing 'TFI Friday' with my OB scanner and then TOTP when it moved down from Elstree. Bernie's pictures of 'The Chancellors' brought back many happy memories of Studio R3 where we had a cable over the road and a phone on the end to tell us when we were needed to work, in the 'Dr. Finlay' days! Riverside recording studio, (previously a dubbing suite, was a precursor to TMS in LG and was used to do the very first backing tracks for TOTP. I recorded the iconic 'Sportsnight' sig. tune there with Len Shorey and many other well-known pieces. The Studer C37 tape machines were unique in having editing scissors built in and a large lamp bulb inside the machine which I am still not quite sure what it's function was! Cheers, Dave From peter.neill at icloud.com Fri Jul 19 01:28:45 2019 From: peter.neill at icloud.com (Peter Neill) Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2019 07:28:45 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Riverside Studios In-Reply-To: References: <2f758514-1e10-212f-aeea-6684cfbc6b4c@gmail.com> <9810DCA87863447A9692E62362B9C0F3@Gigabyte> Message-ID: <77F9DCE0-E5BE-4DB1-87EE-F4018D41A269@icloud.com> But it?s being rebuilt as ? wait for it ? studios! Peter. Sent from my iPhone. Apologies for typos and autocorruptions. > On 19 Jul 2019, at 00:47, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: > > What a sad sight! All those memorable programs for many years, even before the BBC got them. We all cut our teeth on the Riverside training week to decide whether you should do cameras or sound! Laurie Duly and Keith Blair put us through our paces and we did all sorts of program exercises to determine where our skills (if any!) lay. I was told I should be a camera person, but having done three years in radio in Birmingham I really didn't want to change horses! Even after my BBC career I was still working there for Ch.4 doing 'TFI Friday' with my OB scanner and then TOTP when it moved down from Elstree. Bernie's pictures of 'The Chancellors' brought back many happy memories of Studio R3 where we had a cable over the road and a phone on the end to tell us when we were needed to work, in the 'Dr. Finlay' days! Riverside recording studio, (previously a dubbing suite, was a precursor to TMS in LG and was used to do the very first backing tracks for TOTP. I recorded the iconic 'Sportsnight' sig. tune there with Len Shorey and many other well-known pieces. The Studer C37 tape machines were unique in having editing scissors built in and a large lamp bulb inside the machine which I am still not quite sure what it's function was! Cheers, Dave > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From waresound at msn.com Fri Jul 19 01:29:10 2019 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2019 06:29:10 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Riverside Studios In-Reply-To: References: <2f758514-1e10-212f-aeea-6684cfbc6b4c@gmail.com> <9810DCA87863447A9692E62362B9C0F3@Gigabyte>, Message-ID: Len Shorey and many other well-known pieces? I can?t say I ever thought of him as a ?piece?! Who were the others? Ah, Pan?s People, no doubt! The light bulb in the C37. I think that was used as a thermistor, effectively a variable load in series with the spooling motors. Later machines found better ways to do that. Cheers, Nick. Sent from my iPad On 19 Jul 2019, at 00:47, dave.mdv via Tech1 > wrote: What a sad sight! All those memorable programs for many years, even before the BBC got them. We all cut our teeth on the Riverside training week to decide whether you should do cameras or sound! Laurie Duly and Keith Blair put us through our paces and we did all sorts of program exercises to determine where our skills (if any!) lay. I was told I should be a camera person, but having done three years in radio in Birmingham I really didn't want to change horses! Even after my BBC career I was still working there for Ch.4 doing 'TFI Friday' with my OB scanner and then TOTP when it moved down from Elstree. Bernie's pictures of 'The Chancellors' brought back many happy memories of Studio R3 where we had a cable over the road and a phone on the end to tell us when we were needed to work, in the 'Dr. Finlay' days! Riverside recording studio, (previously a dubbing suite, was a precursor to TMS in LG and was used to do the very first backing tracks for TOTP. I recorded the iconic 'Sportsnight' sig. tune there with Len Shorey and many other well-known pieces. The Studer C37 tape machines were unique in having editing scissors built in and a large lamp bulb inside the machine which I am still not quite sure what it's function was! Cheers, Dave -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com Fri Jul 19 01:52:17 2019 From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray) Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2019 08:52:17 +0200 Subject: [Tech1] Riverside Studios In-Reply-To: References: <2f758514-1e10-212f-aeea-6684cfbc6b4c@gmail.com> <9810DCA87863447A9692E62362B9C0F3@Gigabyte> Message-ID: "... Riverside training week..." ?? Tell me more! I went straight from induction week at the Langham to Studio E and crew 7! I only ever wanted to be on cameras, although I did my time on sound (and looking back after all these years, I wonder if it was Mike Cotton who tried his best to induct me into mysteries of sound). My memories of Riverside include "The Newcomers" and "Mogul" - but above all, those Practical Production Exercises for trainee directors. Oh and of course Jackanory, Play School, Open House ... BR Alec sent from my mobile phone. Apologies for any strange autocorrections. On Fri, 19 Jul 2019, 01:47 dave.mdv via Tech1, wrote: > What a sad sight! All those memorable programs for many years, even > before the BBC got them. We all cut our teeth on the Riverside training > week to decide whether you should do cameras or sound! Laurie Duly and > Keith Blair put us through our paces and we did all sorts of program > exercises to determine where our skills (if any!) lay. I was told I > should be a camera person, but having done three years in radio in > Birmingham I really didn't want to change horses! Even after my BBC > career I was still working there for Ch.4 doing 'TFI Friday' with my OB > scanner and then TOTP when it moved down from Elstree. Bernie's pictures > of 'The Chancellors' brought back many happy memories of Studio R3 where > we had a cable over the road and a phone on the end to tell us when we > were needed to work, in the 'Dr. Finlay' days! Riverside recording > studio, (previously a dubbing suite, was a precursor to TMS in LG and > was used to do the very first backing tracks for TOTP. I recorded the > iconic 'Sportsnight' sig. tune there with Len Shorey and many other > well-known pieces. The Studer C37 tape machines were unique in having > editing scissors built in and a large lamp bulb inside the machine which > I am still not quite sure what it's function was! Cheers, Dave > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mibridge at mac.com Fri Jul 19 02:51:22 2019 From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles) Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2019 08:51:22 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Riverside Studios In-Reply-To: References: <2f758514-1e10-212f-aeea-6684cfbc6b4c@gmail.com> <9810DCA87863447A9692E62362B9C0F3@Gigabyte> Message-ID: John Howell and I used a light bulb in series with a fan to adjust its speed. The bays in the World Cup studio in Mexico were tending to overheat, but the fan we had was too fast, so we tried bulbs of differing wattage to get the speed we wanted - not as scientific as the ballast resistor in the C37?s, but it worked. Mike G > On 19 Jul 2019, at 07:29, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: > > Len Shorey and many other well-known pieces? I can?t say I ever thought of him as a ?piece?! > Who were the others? Ah, Pan?s People, no doubt! > The light bulb in the C37. I think that was used as a thermistor, effectively a variable load in series with the spooling motors. Later machines found better ways to do that. > Cheers, > Nick. > Sent from my iPad > > On 19 Jul 2019, at 00:47, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: > >> What a sad sight! All those memorable programs for many years, even before the BBC got them. We all cut our teeth on the Riverside training week to decide whether you should do cameras or sound! Laurie Duly and Keith Blair put us through our paces and we did all sorts of program exercises to determine where our skills (if any!) lay. I was told I should be a camera person, but having done three years in radio in Birmingham I really didn't want to change horses! Even after my BBC career I was still working there for Ch.4 doing 'TFI Friday' with my OB scanner and then TOTP when it moved down from Elstree. Bernie's pictures of 'The Chancellors' brought back many happy memories of Studio R3 where we had a cable over the road and a phone on the end to tell us when we were needed to work, in the 'Dr. Finlay' days! Riverside recording studio, (previously a dubbing suite, was a precursor to TMS in LG and was used to do the very first backing tracks for TOTP. I recorded the iconic 'Sportsnight' sig. tune there with Len Shorey and many other well-known pieces. The Studer C37 tape machines were unique in having editing scissors built in and a large lamp bulb inside the machine which I am still not quite sure what it's function was! Cheers, Dave >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From john at epi-centre.com Fri Jul 19 04:06:22 2019 From: john at epi-centre.com (John Henshall) Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2019 10:06:22 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Apollo 11 Message-ID: <0F6F564F-0AB2-4804-BCE9-D93336AFF80B@epi-centre.com> BBC Radio 5 Live phoned me to ask what I did on the Apollo 11 broadcast from TC7 on 21 July 1969. Well it was only 50 years ago ... https://tinyurl.com/jhapollo Cheers! John Henshall From bernie833 at gmail.com Fri Jul 19 04:37:54 2019 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2019 10:37:54 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Riverside Studios In-Reply-To: References: <2f758514-1e10-212f-aeea-6684cfbc6b4c@gmail.com> <9810DCA87863447A9692E62362B9C0F3@Gigabyte> Message-ID: Actually Garth's pictures. The system didn't want to send them, but I persuaded it. B On 19/07/2019 00:47, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: > Bernie's pictures of 'The Chancellors' -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alanaudio at me.com Fri Jul 19 04:47:13 2019 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2019 10:47:13 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Riverside Studios In-Reply-To: References: <2f758514-1e10-212f-aeea-6684cfbc6b4c@gmail.com> <9810DCA87863447A9692E62362B9C0F3@Gigabyte> Message-ID: I achieved much the same sort of thing during the 1980 Olympics in Moscow, however the way I reduced the speed, but more importantly the noise of the AC powered fan was by using a carefully selected capacitor instead of a lamp bulb. On the same event we had ongoing problems with the Russians handing out Storno walkie talkies which had not been properly charged. All the EBU broadcasters were only allowed to use walkie talkies supplied by the Russians and they kept failing by lunchtime. In order to solve this problem, I improvised a drop-in charger out of cardboard, gaffer tape and drawing pins, which was wired up to a power supply and LED to show that it was charging. We were usually the only broadcasters still able to use walkie talkies by the middle of the afternoon. Our ITV counterparts were curious how we always got the properly charged one, so I told them that the big Russian guy handing out walkie talkies was gay and one of our crew used to flirt with him to make sure we always the properly charged ones. I assume that they decided that all things considered, putting up with partially charged walkie talkies wasn't such a bad thing after all. The Russians were also keen to monitor everything and all video routing had to be done via their central operations where they could keep an eye on it. The production BBC team decided to set up a sneaky minimal edit suite in an office so that anything controversial could be edited without being observed. I made a fake, but very plausible looking CCTV camera out of cardboard and gaffer tape with the end of a beer bottle for a lens and positioned it in the air conditioning duct facing the edit operation. The intention was that somebody might spot it and panic about how long the Russians had been spying on them. As far as I'm aware, nobody ever noticed it and when we left, it was still there, which might have freaked somebody out at a later date. Alan On 19 Jul 2019, at 19 Jul . 08:51, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: > John Howell and I used a light bulb in series with a fan to adjust its speed. The bays in the World Cup studio in Mexico were tending to overheat, but the fan we had was too fast, so we tried bulbs of differing wattage to get the speed we wanted - not as scientific as the ballast resistor in the C37?s, but it worked. > > Mike G > > > > On 19 Jul 2019, at 07:29, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: > >> Len Shorey and many other well-known pieces? I can?t say I ever thought of him as a ?piece?! >> Who were the others? Ah, Pan?s People, no doubt! >> The light bulb in the C37. I think that was used as a thermistor, effectively a variable load in series with the spooling motors. Later machines found better ways to do that. >> Cheers, >> Nick. >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On 19 Jul 2019, at 00:47, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: >> >>> What a sad sight! All those memorable programs for many years, even before the BBC got them. We all cut our teeth on the Riverside training week to decide whether you should do cameras or sound! Laurie Duly and Keith Blair put us through our paces and we did all sorts of program exercises to determine where our skills (if any!) lay. I was told I should be a camera person, but having done three years in radio in Birmingham I really didn't want to change horses! Even after my BBC career I was still working there for Ch.4 doing 'TFI Friday' with my OB scanner and then TOTP when it moved down from Elstree. Bernie's pictures of 'The Chancellors' brought back many happy memories of Studio R3 where we had a cable over the road and a phone on the end to tell us when we were needed to work, in the 'Dr. Finlay' days! 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URL: From ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com Fri Jul 19 05:02:08 2019 From: ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com (Albert Barber) Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2019 11:02:08 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Riverside Studios In-Reply-To: References: <2f758514-1e10-212f-aeea-6684cfbc6b4c@gmail.com> <9810DCA87863447A9692E62362B9C0F3@Gigabyte> Message-ID: <46B2BBB3-A32B-4A79-BE5C-F31D62432372@btinternet.com> The BBC Pensioners? Association are in negotiation with Riverside for a visit to the New Riverside Studios?..watch this space AB > On 19 Jul 2019, at 10:37, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: > > Actually Garth's pictures. The system didn't want to send them, but I persuaded it. > > B > > > > On 19/07/2019 00:47, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: >> Bernie's pictures of 'The Chancellors' > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rogerbunce at btinternet.com Fri Jul 19 07:06:05 2019 From: rogerbunce at btinternet.com (ROGER BUNCE) Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2019 12:06:05 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Tech1] Riverside Studios In-Reply-To: <77F9DCE0-E5BE-4DB1-87EE-F4018D41A269@icloud.com> References: <2f758514-1e10-212f-aeea-6684cfbc6b4c@gmail.com> <9810DCA87863447A9692E62362B9C0F3@Gigabyte> <77F9DCE0-E5BE-4DB1-87EE-F4018D41A269@icloud.com> Message-ID: <1095426781.5229400.1563537965283@mail.yahoo.com> Time to post this old thing again. Crew 16 outside the Chancellors, when it was Riverside 3. Last time I visited Riverside, for the Playschool reunion, just before it was demolished, the Chancellors had lost its charm. Only a few of the old photos remained on the walls. But now Riverside is reopening as studios, maybe it'll become a show-biz watering hole, once again. luv, Rog. On Friday, 19 July 2019, 07:29:15 BST, Peter Neill via Tech1 wrote: But it?s being rebuilt as ? wait for it ? studios! Peter. Sent from my iPhone. Apologies for typos and autocorruptions. > On 19 Jul 2019, at 00:47, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: > > What a sad sight! All those memorable programs for many years, even before the BBC got them. We all cut our teeth on the Riverside training week to decide whether you should do cameras or sound! Laurie Duly and Keith Blair put us through our paces and we did all sorts of program exercises to determine where our skills (if any!) lay. I was told I should be a camera person, but having done three years in radio in Birmingham I really didn't want to change horses! Even after my BBC career I was still working there for Ch.4 doing 'TFI Friday' with my OB scanner and then TOTP when it moved down from Elstree. Bernie's pictures of 'The Chancellors' brought back many happy memories of Studio R3 where we had a cable over the road and a phone on the end to tell us when we were needed to work, in the 'Dr. Finlay' days! 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From: Tech1 On Behalf Of ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 Sent: 19 July 2019 13:06 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Riverside Studios Time to post this old thing again. Crew 16 outside the Chancellors, when it was Riverside 3. Last time I visited Riverside, for the Playschool reunion, just before it was demolished, the Chancellors had lost its charm. Only a few of the old photos remained on the walls. But now Riverside is reopening as studios, maybe it'll become a show-biz watering hole, once again. luv, Rog. On Friday, 19 July 2019, 07:29:15 BST, Peter Neill via Tech1 < tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote: But it?s being rebuilt as ? wait for it ? studios! Peter. Sent from my iPhone. Apologies for typos and autocorruptions. > On 19 Jul 2019, at 00:47, dave.mdv via Tech1 < tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote: > > What a sad sight! All those memorable programs for many years, even before the BBC got them. We all cut our teeth on the Riverside training week to decide whether you should do cameras or sound! Laurie Duly and Keith Blair put us through our paces and we did all sorts of program exercises to determine where our skills (if any!) lay. I was told I should be a camera person, but having done three years in radio in Birmingham I really didn't want to change horses! Even after my BBC career I was still working there for Ch.4 doing 'TFI Friday' with my OB scanner and then TOTP when it moved down from Elstree. Bernie's pictures of 'The Chancellors' brought back many happy memories of Studio R3 where we had a cable over the road and a phone on the end to tell us when we were needed to work, in the 'Dr. Finlay' days! Riverside recording studio, (previously a dubbing suite, was a precursor to TMS in LG and was used to do the very first backing tracks for TOTP. I recorded the iconic 'Sportsnight' sig. tune there with Len Shorey and many other well-known pieces. The Studer C37 tape machines were unique in having editing scissors built in and a large lamp bulb inside the machine which I am still not quite sure what it's function was! Cheers, Dave > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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A car headlight bulb in series with a speaker used to be a crude way of protecting it for teenage parties. ;-) -- *Windows will never cease * Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From bernie833 at gmail.com Fri Jul 19 09:12:00 2019 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2019 15:12:00 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Fame at last Message-ID: <745ff773-58b0-671d-61b8-e5d37bd67412@gmail.com> Lat year my son was asked to work on a film being made where he lives in Thailand.? The trailer is just out on YouTube, and he and his partner are both in it. The film is a new major cinema triumph by the producers of Sharknado and other similar quality epics. This one is called Zombie Tidal Wave - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oaf63JYTGrY See it in all its glory on August 17th on SYFI And - Ben is in the shot above My son the film star B -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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This usually got the response from ICR in TVC of "back off the mic Dave we can't understand what you're saying" but in the heat of the moment he would forget! So we clipped a Sony Personal mic inside the bay about 12 Inches back from the existing mic which was then disconnected. We didn't tell anyone of this arrangement and there were no more problems. John H. On 19/07/2019 08:51, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote:dis > John Howell and I used a light bulb in series with a fan to adjust its > speed. The bays in the World Cup studio in Mexico were tending to > overheat, but the fan we had was too fast, so we tried bulbs of > differing wattage to get the speed we wanted - not as scientific as > the ballast resistor in the C37?s, but it worked. > > Mike G > > > > On 19 Jul 2019, at 07:29, Nick Ware via Tech1 > wrote: > >> Len Shorey and many other well-known pieces? I can?t say I ever >> thought of him as a ?piece?! >> Who were the others? Ah, Pan?s People, no doubt! >> The light bulb in the C37. I think that was used as a thermistor, >> effectively a variable load in series with the spooling motors. Later >> machines found better ways to do that. >> Cheers, >> Nick. >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On 19 Jul 2019, at 00:47, dave.mdv via Tech1 > > wrote: >> >>> What a sad sight! All those memorable programs for many years, even >>> before the BBC got them. We all cut our teeth on the Riverside >>> training week to decide whether you should do cameras or sound! >>> Laurie Duly and Keith Blair put us through our paces and we did all >>> sorts of program exercises to determine where our skills (if any!) >>> lay. I was told I should be a camera person, but having done three >>> years in radio in Birmingham I really didn't want to change horses! >>> Even after my BBC career I was still working there for Ch.4 doing >>> 'TFI Friday' with my OB scanner and then TOTP when it moved down >>> from Elstree. Bernie's pictures of 'The Chancellors' brought back >>> many happy memories of Studio R3 where we had a cable over the road >>> and a phone on the end to tell us when we were needed to work, in >>> the 'Dr. Finlay' days! Riverside recording studio, (previously a >>> dubbing suite, was a precursor to TMS in LG and was used to do the >>> very first backing tracks for TOTP. I recorded the iconic >>> 'Sportsnight' sig. tune there with Len Shorey and many other >>> well-known pieces. The Studer C37 tape machines were unique in >>> having editing scissors built in and a large lamp bulb inside the >>> machine which I am still not quite sure what it's function was! >>> Cheers, Dave >>> >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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It reminds me of when John Peel played a particularly heavy metal / grunge track and after it was over, explained to listeners that his headphone feed has a built in limiter with a little red light which illuminates when the level is too loud. He went on to proudly proclaim that the lamp never so much as blinked off for the tiniest moment during the entirety of that track. Alan On 19 Jul 2019, at 19 Jul . 14:48, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: > In article > , > Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: >> The light bulb in the C37. I think that was used as a thermistor, >> effectively a variable load in series with the spooling motors. Later >> machines found better ways to do that. > > Ah - I thought it was to give a quicker start. Low resistance cold, so > maximum current to the motor briefly. Then lights up, so higher > resistance, and correct for the running current. > > A car headlight bulb in series with a speaker used to be a crude way of > protecting it for teenage parties. ;-) > > -- > *Windows will never cease * > > Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From dave at davesound.co.uk Fri Jul 19 09:36:55 2019 From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman) Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2019 15:36:55 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Riverside Studios In-Reply-To: <3A1AD3B3-21F9-4A85-B639-66ACDC483D32@me.com> References: <2f758514-1e10-212f-aeea-6684cfbc6b4c@gmail.com> <9810DCA87863447A9692E62362B9C0F3@Gigabyte> <57d60c623ddave@davesound.co.uk> <3A1AD3B3-21F9-4A85-B639-66ACDC483D32@me.com> Message-ID: <57d610d2f7dave@davesound.co.uk> In article <3A1AD3B3-21F9-4A85-B639-66ACDC483D32 at me.com>, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: > It reminds me of when John Peel played a particularly heavy metal / > grunge track and after it was over, explained to listeners that his > headphone feed has a built in limiter with a little red light which > illuminates when the level is too loud. He went on to proudly proclaim > that the lamp never so much as blinked off for the tiniest moment during > the entirety of that track. Sounds like the peak LEDs fitted to some PPMs. ;-) -- *The modem is the message * Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk Fri Jul 19 10:06:50 2019 From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf) Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2019 16:06:50 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Fame at last In-Reply-To: <745ff773-58b0-671d-61b8-e5d37bd67412@gmail.com> References: <745ff773-58b0-671d-61b8-e5d37bd67412@gmail.com> Message-ID: My goodness! Looks just like his dad! Chris Woolf;} > > And - Ben is in the shot above > > > My son the film star > > B > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: flepgcdlgickjool.png Type: image/png Size: 86195 bytes Desc: not available URL: From paulvictork at uwclub.net Fri Jul 19 11:06:30 2019 From: paulvictork at uwclub.net (paulvictork at uwclub.net) Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2019 16:06:30 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Riverside Studios In-Reply-To: <1095426781.5229400.1563537965283@mail.yahoo.com> References: <2f758514-1e10-212f-aeea-6684cfbc6b4c@gmail.com> <9810DCA87863447A9692E62362B9C0F3@Gigabyte> <77F9DCE0-E5BE-4DB1-87EE-F4018D41A269@icloud.com> <1095426781.5229400.1563537965283@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1563552390.4k59ka690k0cs8gc@webmail.uwclub.net> Well remeber Riverside:  Dixon. Dr Finlay. Cafe Continental. and many more Oh ! for my lost diaries Regards Paul On Fri, 19 Jul 2019 12:06:05 +0000 (UTC), ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:     Time to post this old thing again. Crew 16 outside the Chancellors, when it was Riverside 3.     Last time I visited Riverside, for the Playschool reunion, just before it was demolished, the Chancellors had lost its charm. Only a few of the old photos remained on the walls. But now Riverside is reopening as studios, maybe it'll become a show-biz watering hole, once again.   luv, Rog.     On Friday, 19 July 2019, 07:29:15 BST, Peter Neill via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:     But it?s being rebuilt as ? wait for it ? studios! Peter. Sent from my iPhone. Apologies for typos and autocorruptions. > On 19 Jul 2019, at 00:47, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote: > > What a sad sight! All those memorable programs for many years, even before the BBC got them. We all cut our teeth on the Riverside training week to decide whether you should do cameras or sound! Laurie Duly and Keith Blair put us through our paces and we did all sorts of program exercises to determine where our skills (if any!) lay. I was told I should be a camera person, but having done three years in radio in Birmingham I really didn't want to change horses! Even after my BBC career I was still working there for Ch.4 doing 'TFI Friday' with my OB scanner and then TOTP when it moved down from Elstree. Bernie's pictures of 'The Chancellors' brought back many happy memories of Studio R3 where we had a cable over the road and a phone on the end to tell us when we were needed to work, in the 'Dr. Finlay' days! Riverside recording studio, (previously a dubbing suite, was a precursor to TMS in LG and was used to do the very first backing tracks for TOTP. I recorded the iconic 'Sportsnight' sig. tune there with Len Shorey and many other well-known pieces. The Studer C37 tape machines were unique in having editing scissors built in and a large lamp bulb inside the machine which I am still not quite sure what it's function was! Cheers, Dave > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Crew 16.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 1175703 bytes Desc: not available URL: From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Fri Jul 19 11:22:05 2019 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2019 17:22:05 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Typo! In-Reply-To: References: <2f758514-1e10-212f-aeea-6684cfbc6b4c@gmail.com> <9810DCA87863447A9692E62362B9C0F3@Gigabyte> Message-ID: <32dd94c1-83b2-55c3-0cb5-807f4fe8278a@btinternet.com> Perhaps a comma in the right place would have separated Len Shorey from 'other pieces' (of music)! Cheers, Dave From geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com Fri Jul 19 12:55:47 2019 From: geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com (Geoff Hawkes) Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2019 18:55:47 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Riverside Studios In-Reply-To: <1563552390.4k59ka690k0cs8gc@webmail.uwclub.net> References: <2f758514-1e10-212f-aeea-6684cfbc6b4c@gmail.com> <9810DCA87863447A9692E62362B9C0F3@Gigabyte> <77F9DCE0-E5BE-4DB1-87EE-F4018D41A269@icloud.com> <1095426781.5229400.1563537965283@mail.yahoo.com> <1563552390.4k59ka690k0cs8gc@webmail.uwclub.net> Message-ID: <3CEE585B-14DC-467A-8724-5873BADC48B5@gmail.com> I recognise nearly all of them except the one leaning in centre left and the two on the right behind John (then Jim) Corby. I think the one far right maybe Eddy Brandon, though he usually had long hair when I knew him later, Geoff > On 19 Jul 2019, at 17:06, paulvictork--- via Tech1 wrote: > > Well remeber Riverside: Dixon. Dr Finlay. Cafe Continental. and many more Oh ! for my lost diaries Regards Paul > > > On Fri, 19 Jul 2019 12:06:05 +0000 (UTC), ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 wrote: > > > Time to post this old thing again. Crew 16 outside the Chancellors, when it was Riverside 3. > > > > Last time I visited Riverside, for the Playschool reunion, just before it was demolished, the Chancellors had lost its charm. Only a few of the old photos remained on the walls. But now Riverside is reopening as studios, maybe it'll become a show-biz watering hole, once again. > > luv, Rog. > > > On Friday, 19 July 2019, 07:29:15 BST, Peter Neill via Tech1 wrote: > > > > But it?s being rebuilt as ? wait for it ? studios! > > Peter. > > > Sent from my iPhone. Apologies for typos and autocorruptions. > > > On 19 Jul 2019, at 00:47, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: > > > > What a sad sight! All those memorable programs for many years, even before the BBC got them. We all cut our teeth on the Riverside training week to decide whether you should do cameras or sound! Laurie Duly and Keith Blair put us through our paces and we did all sorts of program exercises to determine where our skills (if any!) lay. I was told I should be a camera person, but having done three years in radio in Birmingham I really didn't want to change horses! Even after my BBC career I was still working there for Ch.4 doing 'TFI Friday' with my OB scanner and then TOTP when it moved down from Elstree. Bernie's pictures of 'The Chancellors' brought back many happy memories of Studio R3 where we had a cable over the road and a phone on the end to tell us when we were needed to work, in the 'Dr. Finlay' days! Riverside recording studio, (previously a dubbing suite, was a precursor to TMS in LG and was used to do the very first backing tracks for TOTP. I recorded the iconic 'Sportsnight' sig. tune there with Len Shorey and many other well-known pieces. The Studer C37 tape machines were unique in having editing scissors built in and a large lamp bulb inside the machine which I am still not quite sure what it's function was! Cheers, Dave > > > > -- > > Tech1 mailing list > > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On 19/07/2019 18:55, Geoff Hawkes via Tech1 wrote: > I recognise nearly all of them except the one leaning in centre left > and the two on the right behind John (then Jim) Corby. I think the one > far right maybe Eddy Brandon, though he usually had long hair when I > knew him later, > Geoff > > On 19 Jul 2019, at 17:06, paulvictork--- via Tech1 > > wrote: > >> Well remeber Riverside:? Dixon. Dr Finlay. Cafe Continental. and many >> more Oh ! for my lost diaries Regards Paul >> >> >> On Fri, 19 Jul 2019 12:06:05 +0000 (UTC), ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 >> > wrote: >> Time to post this old thing again. Crew 16 outside the Chancellors, >> when it was Riverside 3. >> Inline image >> Last time I visited Riverside, for the Playschool reunion, just >> before it was demolished, the Chancellors had lost its charm. Only a >> few of the old photos remained on the walls. But now Riverside is >> reopening as studios, maybe it'll become a show-biz watering hole, >> once again. >> luv, Rog. >> On Friday, 19 July 2019, 07:29:15 BST, Peter Neill via Tech1 >> > wrote: >> >> But it?s being rebuilt as ? wait for it ? studios! >> >> Peter. >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone. Apologies for typos and autocorruptions. >> >> > On 19 Jul 2019, at 00:47, dave.mdv via Tech1 > > wrote: >> > >> > What a sad sight! All those memorable programs for many years, even >> before the BBC got them. We all cut our teeth on the Riverside >> training week to decide whether you should do cameras or sound! >> Laurie Duly and Keith Blair put us through our paces and we did all >> sorts of program exercises to determine where our skills (if any!) >> lay. I was told I should be a camera person, but having done three >> years in radio in Birmingham I really didn't want to change horses! >> Even after my BBC career I was still working there for Ch.4 doing >> 'TFI Friday' with my OB scanner and then TOTP when it moved down from >> Elstree. Bernie's pictures of 'The Chancellors' brought back many >> happy memories of Studio R3 where we had a cable over the road and a >> phone on the end to tell us when we were needed to work, in the 'Dr. >> Finlay' days! Riverside recording studio, (previously a dubbing >> suite, was a precursor to TMS in LG and was used to do the very first >> backing tracks for TOTP. I recorded the iconic 'Sportsnight' sig. >> tune there with Len Shorey and many other well-known pieces. The >> Studer C37 tape machines were unique in having editing scissors built >> in and a large lamp bulb inside the machine which I am still not >> quite sure what it's function was! Cheers, Dave >> > >> > -- >> > Tech1 mailing list >> > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> >> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Mike G > On 19 Jul 2019, at 15:22, John Howell via Tech1 wrote: > > Another unscientific solution to a problem on that event concerned a certain senior member of the International Control Room staff abusing the bay talkback mic. by yelling down it at great volume. This usually got the response from ICR in TVC of "back off the mic Dave we can't understand what you're saying" but in the heat of the moment he would forget! > > So we clipped a Sony Personal mic inside the bay about 12 Inches back from the existing mic which was then disconnected. > > We didn't tell anyone of this arrangement and there were no more problems. > > John H. > > > > On 19/07/2019 08:51, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote:dis >> John Howell and I used a light bulb in series with a fan to adjust its speed. The bays in the World Cup studio in Mexico were tending to overheat, but the fan we had was too fast, so we tried bulbs of differing wattage to get the speed we wanted - not as scientific as the ballast resistor in the C37?s, but it worked. >> >> Mike G >> >> >> >> On 19 Jul 2019, at 07:29, Nick Ware via Tech1 > wrote: >> >>> Len Shorey and many other well-known pieces? I can?t say I ever thought of him as a ?piece?! >>> Who were the others? Ah, Pan?s People, no doubt! >>> The light bulb in the C37. I think that was used as a thermistor, effectively a variable load in series with the spooling motors. Later machines found better ways to do that. >>> Cheers, >>> Nick. >>> Sent from my iPad >>> >>> On 19 Jul 2019, at 00:47, dave.mdv via Tech1 > wrote: >>> >>>> What a sad sight! All those memorable programs for many years, even before the BBC got them. We all cut our teeth on the Riverside training week to decide whether you should do cameras or sound! Laurie Duly and Keith Blair put us through our paces and we did all sorts of program exercises to determine where our skills (if any!) lay. I was told I should be a camera person, but having done three years in radio in Birmingham I really didn't want to change horses! Even after my BBC career I was still working there for Ch.4 doing 'TFI Friday' with my OB scanner and then TOTP when it moved down from Elstree. Bernie's pictures of 'The Chancellors' brought back many happy memories of Studio R3 where we had a cable over the road and a phone on the end to tell us when we were needed to work, in the 'Dr. Finlay' days! Riverside recording studio, (previously a dubbing suite, was a precursor to TMS in LG and was used to do the very first backing tracks for TOTP. I recorded the iconic 'Sportsnight' sig. tune there with Len Shorey and many other well-known pieces. 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I think the one far right maybe Eddy Brandon, though he usually had long hair when I knew him later, Geoff On 19 Jul 2019, at 17:06, paulvictork--- via Tech1 wrote: Well remeber Riverside:? Dixon. Dr Finlay. Cafe Continental. and many more Oh ! for my lost diaries Regards Paul On Fri, 19 Jul 2019 12:06:05 +0000 (UTC), ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 wrote: ? ? Time to post this old thing again. Crew 16 outside the Chancellors, when it was Riverside 3. ? ? Last time I visited Riverside, for the Playschool reunion, just before it was demolished, the Chancellors had lost its charm. Only a few of the old photos remained on the walls. But now Riverside is reopening as studios, maybe it'll become a show-biz watering hole, once again. ? luv, Rog. ? ? On Friday, 19 July 2019, 07:29:15 BST, Peter Neill via Tech1 wrote: ? ? But it?s being rebuilt as ? wait for it ? studios! Peter. Sent from my iPhone. Apologies for typos and autocorruptions. > On 19 Jul 2019, at 00:47, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: > > What a sad sight! All those memorable programs for many years, even before the BBC got them. We all cut our teeth on the Riverside training week to decide whether you should do cameras or sound! Laurie Duly and Keith Blair put us through our paces and we did all sorts of program exercises to determine where our skills (if any!) lay. I was told I should be a camera person, but having done three years in radio in Birmingham I really didn't want to change horses! Even after my BBC career I was still working there for Ch.4 doing 'TFI Friday' with my OB scanner and then TOTP when it moved down from Elstree. Bernie's pictures of 'The Chancellors' brought back many happy memories of Studio R3 where we had a cable over the road and a phone on the end to tell us when we were needed to work, in the 'Dr. Finlay' days! 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MacFarlane either. ?Vern? was definitely more distinctive than ?John? and you weren?t the only one to go by your middle name. What do non-BBC people call you? Geoff From: Tech1 [mailto:tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk] On Behalf Of vernon.dyer via Tech1 Sent: 19 July 2019 22:17 To: John Howell via Tech1 Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Riverside Studios Yes, at that time there were so many Johns; John Corby is JM Corby, hence 'Jim', and my first name is John so became known by my middle name. Best wishes ..... Vern Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. -------- Original message -------- From: John Howell via Tech1 Date: 19/07/2019 20:28 (GMT+00:00) To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Riverside Studios Hi Geoff, Righthand group: the late John Hays (SAI), Dave Denness, Keith Bowden, Jim Corby, and yes, Eddy Brandon. Hibou. On 19/07/2019 18:55, Geoff Hawkes via Tech1 wrote: I recognise nearly all of them except the one leaning in centre left and the two on the right behind John (then Jim) Corby. I think the one far right maybe Eddy Brandon, though he usually had long hair when I knew him later, Geoff On 19 Jul 2019, at 17:06, paulvictork--- via Tech1 wrote: Well remeber Riverside: Dixon. Dr Finlay. Cafe Continental. and many more Oh ! for my lost diaries Regards Paul On Fri, 19 Jul 2019 12:06:05 +0000 (UTC), ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 wrote: Time to post this old thing again. Crew 16 outside the Chancellors, when it was Riverside 3. Inline image Last time I visited Riverside, for the Playschool reunion, just before it was demolished, the Chancellors had lost its charm. Only a few of the old photos remained on the walls. But now Riverside is reopening as studios, maybe it'll become a show-biz watering hole, once again. luv, Rog. On Friday, 19 July 2019, 07:29:15 BST, Peter Neill via Tech1 wrote: But it?s being rebuilt as ? wait for it ? studios! Peter. Sent from my iPhone. Apologies for typos and autocorruptions. > On 19 Jul 2019, at 00:47, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: > > What a sad sight! All those memorable programs for many years, even before the BBC got them. We all cut our teeth on the Riverside training week to decide whether you should do cameras or sound! Laurie Duly and Keith Blair put us through our paces and we did all sorts of program exercises to determine where our skills (if any!) lay. I was told I should be a camera person, but having done three years in radio in Birmingham I really didn't want to change horses! Even after my BBC career I was still working there for Ch.4 doing 'TFI Friday' with my OB scanner and then TOTP when it moved down from Elstree. Bernie's pictures of 'The Chancellors' brought back many happy memories of Studio R3 where we had a cable over the road and a phone on the end to tell us when we were needed to work, in the 'Dr. Finlay' days! Riverside recording studio, (previously a dubbing suite, was a precursor to TMS in LG and was used to do the very first backing tracks for TOTP. I recorded the iconic 'Sportsnight' sig. tune there with Len Shorey and many other well-known pieces. The Studer C37 tape machines were unique in having editing scissors built in and a large lamp bulb inside the machine which I am still not quite sure what it's function was! 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Message-ID: Hi Geoff, well I'm John to my family at home, but Vern[on] to anyone who met me from 1963 onwards, including my wife and her family.?VSent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.-------- Original message --------From: geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com Date: 19/07/2019 23:27 (GMT+00:00) To: "'vernon.dyer'" , tech1 Subject: RE: [Tech1] Riverside Studios - who's in the picture? Vern,?Thanks for explaining why John Corby was known as Jim or ?Jimbo?, though in later more dignified years when he rose to high office, he reverted to his given name of John.At one time ?Geoff? along with ?Jeff? became the most common name.I?m still not convinced that the person to the right of Dave Deness is Keith Bowden. Does anyone have confirmation of that, from the man himself perhaps? I don?t know the face to the right of Rod (Rob?) MacFarlane either.?Vern? was definitely more distinctive than ?John? and you weren?t the only one to go by your middle name. What do non-BBC people call you??Geoff?From: Tech1 [mailto:tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk] On Behalf Of vernon.dyer via Tech1Sent: 19 July 2019 22:17To: John Howell via Tech1Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.ukSubject: Re: [Tech1] Riverside Studios??Yes, at that time there were so many Johns; John Corby is JM Corby, hence 'Jim', and my first name is John so became known by my middle name.??Best wishes? .....? Vern???Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.-------- Original message --------From: John Howell via Tech1 Date: 19/07/2019 20:28 (GMT+00:00) To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Riverside Studios ?Hi Geoff,Righthand group: the late John Hays (SAI), Dave Denness, Keith Bowden, Jim Corby, and yes, Eddy Brandon.Hibou.?On 19/07/2019 18:55, Geoff Hawkes via Tech1 wrote:I recognise nearly all of them except the one leaning in centre left and the two on the right?behind John (then Jim) Corby. I think the one far right maybe Eddy Brandon, though he usually had long hair when I knew him later,GeoffOn 19 Jul 2019, at 17:06, paulvictork--- via Tech1 wrote:Well remeber Riverside:? Dixon. Dr Finlay. Cafe Continental. and many more Oh ! for my lost diaries Regards Paul On Fri, 19 Jul 2019 12:06:05 +0000 (UTC), ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 wrote:? ?Time to post this old thing again. Crew 16 outside the Chancellors, when it was Riverside 3.??Last time I visited Riverside, for the Playschool reunion, just before it was demolished, the Chancellors had lost its charm. Only a few of the old photos remained on the walls. But now Riverside is reopening as studios, maybe it'll become a show-biz watering hole, once again.?luv, Rog.??On Friday, 19 July 2019, 07:29:15 BST, Peter Neill via Tech1 wrote:??But it?s being rebuilt as ? wait for it ? studios!Peter.Sent from my iPhone. Apologies for typos and autocorruptions.> On 19 Jul 2019, at 00:47, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote:>> What a sad sight! All those memorable programs for many years, even before the BBC got them. We all cut our teeth on the Riverside training week to decide whether you should do cameras or sound! Laurie Duly and Keith Blair put us through our paces and we did all sorts of program exercises to determine where our skills (if any!) lay. I was told I should be a camera person, but having done three years in radio in Birmingham I really didn't want to change horses! Even after my BBC career I was still working there for Ch.4 doing 'TFI Friday' with my OB scanner and then TOTP when it moved down from Elstree. Bernie's pictures of 'The Chancellors' brought back many happy memories of Studio R3 where we had a cable over the road and a phone on the end to tell us when we were needed to work, in the 'Dr. Finlay' days! Riverside recording studio, (previously a dubbing suite, was a precursor to TMS in LG and was used to do the very first backing tracks for TOTP. I recorded the iconic 'Sportsnight' sig. tune there with Len Shorey and many other well-known pieces. The Studer C37 tape machines were unique in having editing scissors built in and a large lamp bulb inside the machine which I am still not quite sure what it's function was! Cheers, Dave>> --> Tech1 mailing list> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk --Tech1 mailing listTech1 at tech-ops.co.ukhttp://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk--Tech1 mailing listTech1 at tech-ops.co.ukhttp://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing listTech1 at tech-ops.co.ukhttp://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Hi Geoff, well I'm John to my family at home, but Vern[on] to anyone who met me from 1963 onwards, including my wife and her family.?VSent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.-------- Original message --------From: geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com Date: 19/07/2019 23:27 (GMT+00:00) To: "'vernon.dyer'" , tech1 Subject: RE: [Tech1] Riverside Studios - who's in the picture? Vern,?Thanks for explaining why John Corby was known as Jim or ?Jimbo?, though in later more dignified years when he rose to high office, he reverted to his given name of John.At one time ?Geoff? along with ?Jeff? became the most common name.I?m still not convinced that the person to the right of Dave Deness is Keith Bowden. Does anyone have confirmation of that, from the man himself perhaps? I don?t know the face to the right of Rod (Rob?) MacFarlane either.?Vern? was definitely more distinctive than ?John? and you weren?t the only one to go by your middle name. What do non-BBC people call you??Geoff?From: Tech1 [mailto:tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk] On Behalf Of vernon.dyer via Tech1Sent: 19 July 2019 22:17To: John Howell via Tech1Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.ukSubject: Re: [Tech1] Riverside Studios??Yes, at that time there were so many Johns; John Corby is JM Corby, hence 'Jim', and my first name is John so became known by my middle name.??Best wishes? .....? Vern???Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.-------- Original message --------From: John Howell via Tech1 Date: 19/07/2019 20:28 (GMT+00:00) To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Riverside Studios ?Hi Geoff,Righthand group: the late John Hays (SAI), Dave Denness, Keith Bowden, Jim Corby, and yes, Eddy Brandon.Hibou.?On 19/07/2019 18:55, Geoff Hawkes via Tech1 wrote:I recognise nearly all of them except the one leaning in centre left and the two on the right?behind John (then Jim) Corby. I think the one far right maybe Eddy Brandon, though he usually had long hair when I knew him later,GeoffOn 19 Jul 2019, at 17:06, paulvictork--- via Tech1 wrote:Well remeber Riverside:? Dixon. Dr Finlay. Cafe Continental. and many more Oh ! for my lost diaries Regards Paul On Fri, 19 Jul 2019 12:06:05 +0000 (UTC), ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 wrote:? ?Time to post this old thing again. Crew 16 outside the Chancellors, when it was Riverside 3.??Last time I visited Riverside, for the Playschool reunion, just before it was demolished, the Chancellors had lost its charm. Only a few of the old photos remained on the walls. But now Riverside is reopening as studios, maybe it'll become a show-biz watering hole, once again.?luv, Rog.??On Friday, 19 July 2019, 07:29:15 BST, Peter Neill via Tech1 wrote:??But it?s being rebuilt as ? wait for it ? studios!Peter.Sent from my iPhone. Apologies for typos and autocorruptions.> On 19 Jul 2019, at 00:47, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote:>> What a sad sight! All those memorable programs for many years, even before the BBC got them. We all cut our teeth on the Riverside training week to decide whether you should do cameras or sound! Laurie Duly and Keith Blair put us through our paces and we did all sorts of program exercises to determine where our skills (if any!) lay. I was told I should be a camera person, but having done three years in radio in Birmingham I really didn't want to change horses! Even after my BBC career I was still working there for Ch.4 doing 'TFI Friday' with my OB scanner and then TOTP when it moved down from Elstree. Bernie's pictures of 'The Chancellors' brought back many happy memories of Studio R3 where we had a cable over the road and a phone on the end to tell us when we were needed to work, in the 'Dr. Finlay' days! Riverside recording studio, (previously a dubbing suite, was a precursor to TMS in LG and was used to do the very first backing tracks for TOTP. 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Name: image002.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 149040 bytes Desc: not available URL: From j at howell61.f9.co.uk Sat Jul 20 04:02:42 2019 From: j at howell61.f9.co.uk (John Howell) Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2019 10:02:42 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Riverside Studios - who's in the picture? In-Reply-To: <007301d53e81$2b3ae140$81b0a3c0$@gmail.com> References: <007301d53e81$2b3ae140$81b0a3c0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <6726d2db-4d4a-ad54-e8b1-e6085a8a1d84@howell61.f9.co.uk> It was Bob or Mac, possibly Rob, but never Rod McFarlane. I had digs in Pennard Road W12 when I joined the Beeb, sharing a room with engineer John Bradley. In the other room were two guys in Film Recording. When they moved out Bob McFarlane and Peter Rose moved in, both are sadly no longer with us, Mac dying tragically from cancer at a very young 30 in 1973 and Peter who was Sound Sup. on 'The Antiques Roadshow' among many other big shows passed away in 2012. We didn't last long in Pennard Road despite the Sunday lunches for 2/6 extra and moved to a flat in The Avenue West Ealing. We were eventually joined by Chris Wilden and Barry Austin. John H. On 19/07/2019 23:27, geoff.hawkes134--- via Tech1 wrote: > > Vern, > > Thanks for explaining why John Corby was known as Jim or ?Jimbo?, > though in later more dignified years when he rose to high office, he > reverted to his given name of John. > > At one time ?Geoff? along with ?Jeff? became the most common name. > > I?m still not convinced that the person to the right of Dave Deness is > Keith Bowden. Does anyone have confirmation of that, from the man > himself perhaps? I don?t know the face to the right of Rod (Rob?) > MacFarlane either. > > ?Vern? was definitely more distinctive than ?John? and you weren?t the > only one to go by your middle name. What do non-BBC people call you? > > *Geoff* > > *From:*Tech1 [mailto:tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk] *On Behalf Of > *vernon.dyer via Tech1 > *Sent:* 19 July 2019 22:17 > *To:* John Howell via Tech1 > *Cc:* tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > *Subject:* Re: [Tech1] Riverside Studios > > Yes, at that time there were so many Johns; John Corby is JM Corby, > hence 'Jim', and my first name is John so became known by my middle name. > > Best wishes? .....? Vern > > Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. > > -------- Original message -------- > > From: John Howell via Tech1 > > Date: 19/07/2019 20:28 (GMT+00:00) > > To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > > Subject: Re: [Tech1] Riverside Studios > > Hi Geoff, > > Righthand group: the late John Hays (SAI), Dave Denness, Keith Bowden, > Jim Corby, and yes, Eddy Brandon. > > Hibou. > > On 19/07/2019 18:55, Geoff Hawkes via Tech1 wrote: > > I recognise nearly all of them except the one leaning in centre > left and the two on the right?behind John (then Jim) Corby. I > think the one far right maybe Eddy Brandon, though he usually had > long hair when I knew him later, > > Geoff > > > On 19 Jul 2019, at 17:06, paulvictork--- via Tech1 > > wrote: > > Well remeber Riverside:? Dixon. Dr Finlay. Cafe Continental. > and many more Oh ! for my lost diaries Regards Paul > > On Fri, 19 Jul 2019 12:06:05 +0000 (UTC), ROGER BUNCE via > Tech1 > wrote: > > Time to post this old thing again. Crew 16 outside the > Chancellors, when it was Riverside 3. > > Inline image > > Last time I visited Riverside, for the Playschool reunion, > just before it was demolished, the Chancellors had lost its > charm. Only a few of the old photos remained on the walls. But > now Riverside is reopening as studios, maybe it'll become a > show-biz watering hole, once again. > > luv, Rog. > > On Friday, 19 July 2019, 07:29:15 BST, Peter Neill via Tech1 > > wrote: > > > But it?s being rebuilt as ? wait for it ? studios! > > Peter. > > > Sent from my iPhone. Apologies for typos and autocorruptions. > > > On 19 Jul 2019, at 00:47, dave.mdv via Tech1 > > wrote: > > > > What a sad sight! All those memorable programs for many > years, even before the BBC got them. We all cut our teeth on > the Riverside training week to decide whether you should do > cameras or sound! Laurie Duly and Keith Blair put us through > our paces and we did all sorts of program exercises to > determine where our skills (if any!) lay. I was told I should > be a camera person, but having done three years in radio in > Birmingham I really didn't want to change horses! Even after > my BBC career I was still working there for Ch.4 doing 'TFI > Friday' with my OB scanner and then TOTP when it moved down > from Elstree. Bernie's pictures of 'The Chancellors' brought > back many happy memories of Studio R3 where we had a cable > over the road and a phone on the end to tell us when we were > needed to work, in the 'Dr. Finlay' days! Riverside recording > studio, (previously a dubbing suite, was a precursor to TMS in > LG and was used to do the very first backing tracks for TOTP. > I recorded the iconic 'Sportsnight' sig. tune there with Len > Shorey and many other well-known pieces. The Studer C37 tape > machines were unique in having editing scissors built in and a > large lamp bulb inside the machine which I am still not quite > sure what it's function was! Cheers, Dave > > > > -- > > Tech1 mailing list > > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image002.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 149040 bytes Desc: not available URL: From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Sat Jul 20 04:43:23 2019 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2019 10:43:23 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Tech. Message-ID: <00e35afb-1c06-b6ee-9365-e1d19d9abf61@btinternet.com> Seen in an Irish folk museum - reminds me of the SB position in Birmingham radio control room, Broad Street, in 1961! The press button 'A' kiosk set-up was the only phone in my area as a child! Cheers, Dave -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: IMG_2212.JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 483175 bytes Desc: not available URL: From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net Sat Jul 20 05:02:11 2019 From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt) Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2019 11:02:11 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Riverside Studios - who's in the picture? In-Reply-To: <6726d2db-4d4a-ad54-e8b1-e6085a8a1d84@howell61.f9.co.uk> References: <007301d53e81$2b3ae140$81b0a3c0$@gmail.com> <6726d2db-4d4a-ad54-e8b1-e6085a8a1d84@howell61.f9.co.uk> Message-ID: <0F5C09B8C75545FC87A955D90962D80D@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> As you say John, it was Bob or Mac and I well remember the sense of unreality at the loss of a colleague so early in his life.The same ?not quite being able to grasp it? applied to the day when arriving to do TOTP we heard about poor Colin Charman. Well before then, in the early 60?s another tragically premature loss was that of Brian Johns. I suspect not too many will have known him but he was on my first crew (Crew 8) when I joined and I knew him quite well. He accompanied me on a visit to my parents in Somerset for Christmas 1962, travelling down in his A40 Farina. As is now legendary, snow set in with a vengeance and we had to return early to London driving on snow chains the whole way. Southern England had lying snow for 62 consecutive days, since which time no spell has exceeded 10 days. During 1963 Brian fell ill and was soon unable to continue working. He died in early 1964. Dave Newbitt. From: John Howell via Tech1 Sent: Saturday, July 20, 2019 10:02 AM To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Riverside Studios - who's in the picture? It was Bob or Mac, possibly Rob, but never Rod McFarlane. I had digs in Pennard Road W12 when I joined the Beeb, sharing a room with engineer John Bradley. In the other room were two guys in Film Recording. When they moved out Bob McFarlane and Peter Rose moved in, both are sadly no longer with us, Mac dying tragically from cancer at a very young 30 in 1973 and Peter who was Sound Sup. on 'The Antiques Roadshow' among many other big shows passed away in 2012. We didn't last long in Pennard Road despite the Sunday lunches for 2/6 extra and moved to a flat in The Avenue West Ealing. We were eventually joined by Chris Wilden and Barry Austin. John H. On 19/07/2019 23:27, geoff.hawkes134--- via Tech1 wrote: Vern, Thanks for explaining why John Corby was known as Jim or ?Jimbo?, though in later more dignified years when he rose to high office, he reverted to his given name of John. At one time ?Geoff? along with ?Jeff? became the most common name. I?m still not convinced that the person to the right of Dave Deness is Keith Bowden. Does anyone have confirmation of that, from the man himself perhaps? I don?t know the face to the right of Rod (Rob?) MacFarlane either. ?Vern? was definitely more distinctive than ?John? and you weren?t the only one to go by your middle name. What do non-BBC people call you? Geoff From: Tech1 [mailto:tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk] On Behalf Of vernon.dyer via Tech1 Sent: 19 July 2019 22:17 To: John Howell via Tech1 Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Riverside Studios Yes, at that time there were so many Johns; John Corby is JM Corby, hence 'Jim', and my first name is John so became known by my middle name. Best wishes ..... Vern Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. -------- Original message -------- From: John Howell via Tech1 mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Date: 19/07/2019 20:28 (GMT+00:00) To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Riverside Studios Hi Geoff, Righthand group: the late John Hays (SAI), Dave Denness, Keith Bowden, Jim Corby, and yes, Eddy Brandon. Hibou. On 19/07/2019 18:55, Geoff Hawkes via Tech1 wrote: I recognise nearly all of them except the one leaning in centre left and the two on the right behind John (then Jim) Corby. I think the one far right maybe Eddy Brandon, though he usually had long hair when I knew him later, Geoff On 19 Jul 2019, at 17:06, paulvictork--- via Tech1 wrote: Well remeber Riverside: Dixon. Dr Finlay. Cafe Continental. and many more Oh ! for my lost diaries Regards Paul On Fri, 19 Jul 2019 12:06:05 +0000 (UTC), ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 wrote: Time to post this old thing again. Crew 16 outside the Chancellors, when it was Riverside 3. Last time I visited Riverside, for the Playschool reunion, just before it was demolished, the Chancellors had lost its charm. Only a few of the old photos remained on the walls. But now Riverside is reopening as studios, maybe it'll become a show-biz watering hole, once again. luv, Rog. On Friday, 19 July 2019, 07:29:15 BST, Peter Neill via Tech1 wrote: But it?s being rebuilt as ? wait for it ? studios! Peter. Sent from my iPhone. Apologies for typos and autocorruptions. > On 19 Jul 2019, at 00:47, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: > > What a sad sight! All those memorable programs for many years, even before the BBC got them. We all cut our teeth on the Riverside training week to decide whether you should do cameras or sound! Laurie Duly and Keith Blair put us through our paces and we did all sorts of program exercises to determine where our skills (if any!) lay. I was told I should be a camera person, but having done three years in radio in Birmingham I really didn't want to change horses! Even after my BBC career I was still working there for Ch.4 doing 'TFI Friday' with my OB scanner and then TOTP when it moved down from Elstree. Bernie's pictures of 'The Chancellors' brought back many happy memories of Studio R3 where we had a cable over the road and a phone on the end to tell us when we were needed to work, in the 'Dr. Finlay' days! Riverside recording studio, (previously a dubbing suite, was a precursor to TMS in LG and was used to do the very first backing tracks for TOTP. I recorded the iconic 'Sportsnight' sig. tune there with Len Shorey and many other well-known pieces. The Studer C37 tape machines were unique in having editing scissors built in and a large lamp bulb inside the machine which I am still not quite sure what it's function was! Cheers, Dave > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I have an image in my head of him when we were leaving the Frithville gate heading for the Bush B On 20/07/2019 11:02, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: > As you say John, it was Bob or Mac and I well remember the sense of > unreality at the loss of a colleague so early in his life.The same > ?not quite being able to grasp it? applied to the day when arriving to > do TOTP we heard about poor Colin Charman. > Well before then, in the early 60?s another tragically premature loss > was that of Brian Johns. I suspect not too many will have known him > but he was on my first crew (Crew 8) when I joined and I knew him > quite well. He accompanied me on a visit to my parents in Somerset for > Christmas 1962, travelling down in his A40 Farina. As is now > legendary, snow set in with a vengeance and we had to return early to > London driving on snow chains the whole way. Southern England had > lying snow for 62 consecutive days, since which time no spell has > exceeded 10 days. During 1963 Brian fell ill and was soon unable to > continue working. He died in early 1964. > Dave Newbitt. > *From:* John Howell via Tech1 > *Sent:* Saturday, July 20, 2019 10:02 AM > *To:* tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > *Subject:* Re: [Tech1] Riverside Studios - who's in the picture? > > It was Bob or Mac, possibly Rob, but never Rod McFarlane. > > I had digs in Pennard Road W12 when I joined the Beeb, sharing a room > with engineer John Bradley. In the other room were two guys in Film > Recording. When they moved out Bob McFarlane and Peter Rose moved in, > both are sadly no longer with us, Mac dying tragically from cancer at > a very young 30 in 1973 and Peter who was Sound Sup. on 'The Antiques > Roadshow' among many other big shows passed away in 2012. > > We didn't last long in Pennard Road despite the Sunday lunches for 2/6 > extra and moved to a flat in The Avenue West Ealing. We were > eventually joined by Chris Wilden and Barry Austin. > > John H. > > > On 19/07/2019 23:27, geoff.hawkes134--- via Tech1 wrote: >> >> Vern, >> >> Thanks for explaining why John Corby was known as Jim or ?Jimbo?, >> though in later more dignified years when he rose to high office, he >> reverted to his given name of John. >> >> At one time ?Geoff? along with ?Jeff? became the most common name. >> >> I?m still not convinced that the person to the right of Dave Deness >> is Keith Bowden. Does anyone have confirmation of that, from the man >> himself perhaps? I don?t know the face to the right of Rod (Rob?) >> MacFarlane either. >> >> ?Vern? was definitely more distinctive than ?John? and you weren?t >> the only one to go by your middle name. What do non-BBC people call you? >> >> *Geoff* >> >> *From:*Tech1 [mailto:tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk] *On Behalf Of >> *vernon.dyer via Tech1 >> *Sent:* 19 July 2019 22:17 >> *To:* John Howell via Tech1 >> *Cc:* tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> *Subject:* Re: [Tech1] Riverside Studios >> >> Yes, at that time there were so many Johns; John Corby is JM Corby, >> hence 'Jim', and my first name is John so became known by my middle >> name. >> >> Best wishes? .....? Vern >> >> Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. >> >> -------- Original message -------- >> >> From: John Howell via Tech1 mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> >> Date: 19/07/2019 20:28 (GMT+00:00) >> >> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> >> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Riverside Studios >> >> Hi Geoff, >> >> Righthand group: the late John Hays (SAI), Dave Denness, Keith >> Bowden, Jim Corby, and yes, Eddy Brandon. >> >> Hibou. >> >> On 19/07/2019 18:55, Geoff Hawkes via Tech1 wrote: >> >> I recognise nearly all of them except the one leaning in centre >> left and the two on the right behind John (then Jim) Corby. I >> think the one far right maybe Eddy Brandon, though he usually had >> long hair when I knew him later, >> >> Geoff >> >> >> On 19 Jul 2019, at 17:06, paulvictork--- via Tech1 >> wrote: >> >> Well remeber Riverside: Dixon. Dr Finlay. Cafe Continental. >> and many more Oh ! for my lost diaries Regards Paul >> >> On Fri, 19 Jul 2019 12:06:05 +0000 (UTC), ROGER BUNCE via >> Tech1 wrote: >> >> Time to post this old thing again. Crew 16 outside the >> Chancellors, when it was Riverside 3. >> >> Inline image >> >> Last time I visited Riverside, for the Playschool reunion, >> just before it was demolished, the Chancellors had lost its >> charm. Only a few of the old photos remained on the walls. >> But now Riverside is reopening as studios, maybe it'll become >> a show-biz watering hole, once again. >> >> luv, Rog. >> >> On Friday, 19 July 2019, 07:29:15 BST, Peter Neill via Tech1 >> wrote: >> >> >> But it?s being rebuilt as ? wait for it ? studios! >> >> Peter. >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone. Apologies for typos and autocorruptions. >> >> > On 19 Jul 2019, at 00:47, dave.mdv via Tech1 >> wrote: >> > >> > What a sad sight! All those memorable programs for many >> years, even before the BBC got them. We all cut our teeth on >> the Riverside training week to decide whether you should do >> cameras or sound! Laurie Duly and Keith Blair put us through >> our paces and we did all sorts of program exercises to >> determine where our skills (if any!) lay. I was told I should >> be a camera person, but having done three years in radio in >> Birmingham I really didn't want to change horses! Even after >> my BBC career I was still working there for Ch.4 doing 'TFI >> Friday' with my OB scanner and then TOTP when it moved down >> from Elstree. Bernie's pictures of 'The Chancellors' brought >> back many happy memories of Studio R3 where we had a cable >> over the road and a phone on the end to tell us when we were >> needed to work, in the 'Dr. Finlay' days! Riverside recording >> studio, (previously a dubbing suite, was a precursor to TMS >> in LG and was used to do the very first backing tracks for >> TOTP. I recorded the iconic 'Sportsnight' sig. tune there >> with Len Shorey and many other well-known pieces. The Studer >> C37 tape machines were unique in having editing scissors >> built in and a large lamp bulb inside the machine which I am >> still not quite sure what it's function was! Cheers, Dave >> > >> > -- >> > Tech1 mailing list >> > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> >> >> >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <0cb3b8c0-5015-2db0-5d01-36b7cc1958a3@gmail.com> References: <007301d53e81$2b3ae140$81b0a3c0$@gmail.com><6726d2db-4d4a-ad54-e8b1-e6085a8a1d84@howell61.f9.co.uk><0F5C09B8C75545FC87A955D90962D80D@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> <0cb3b8c0-5015-2db0-5d01-36b7cc1958a3@gmail.com> Message-ID: You are quite right Bernard ? my memory date-wise is often wrong but not usually as badly wrong as in this case. Obviously I was right about the date re our Christmas snow experience but totally wrong with regard to Brian?s sad demise. I feel bad that my recollection has compressed the period of his illness in this way ? it seems disrespectful and I wish I had delved a little deeper before mentioning it. Having now checked I think the correct date was in the spring of 1968 when he was 27. Thank you for your gentle note of correction. Dave Newbitt. From: Bernard Newnham via Tech1 Sent: Saturday, July 20, 2019 2:24 PM To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Riverside Studios - who's in the picture? The picture was on page 28 of the website - http://www.tech-ops.co.uk/page28.html from about 2004. Dave - I think you may have your dates wrong on Brian Johns, because I'm pretty certain I knew him in 1966. I have an image in my head of him when we were leaving the Frithville gate heading for the Bush B On 20/07/2019 11:02, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: As you say John, it was Bob or Mac and I well remember the sense of unreality at the loss of a colleague so early in his life.The same ?not quite being able to grasp it? applied to the day when arriving to do TOTP we heard about poor Colin Charman. Well before then, in the early 60?s another tragically premature loss was that of Brian Johns. I suspect not too many will have known him but he was on my first crew (Crew 8) when I joined and I knew him quite well. He accompanied me on a visit to my parents in Somerset for Christmas 1962, travelling down in his A40 Farina. As is now legendary, snow set in with a vengeance and we had to return early to London driving on snow chains the whole way. Southern England had lying snow for 62 consecutive days, since which time no spell has exceeded 10 days. During 1963 Brian fell ill and was soon unable to continue working. He died in early 1964. Dave Newbitt. From: John Howell via Tech1 Sent: Saturday, July 20, 2019 10:02 AM To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Riverside Studios - who's in the picture? It was Bob or Mac, possibly Rob, but never Rod McFarlane. I had digs in Pennard Road W12 when I joined the Beeb, sharing a room with engineer John Bradley. In the other room were two guys in Film Recording. When they moved out Bob McFarlane and Peter Rose moved in, both are sadly no longer with us, Mac dying tragically from cancer at a very young 30 in 1973 and Peter who was Sound Sup. on 'The Antiques Roadshow' among many other big shows passed away in 2012. We didn't last long in Pennard Road despite the Sunday lunches for 2/6 extra and moved to a flat in The Avenue West Ealing. We were eventually joined by Chris Wilden and Barry Austin. John H. On 19/07/2019 23:27, geoff.hawkes134--- via Tech1 wrote: Vern, Thanks for explaining why John Corby was known as Jim or ?Jimbo?, though in later more dignified years when he rose to high office, he reverted to his given name of John. At one time ?Geoff? along with ?Jeff? became the most common name. I?m still not convinced that the person to the right of Dave Deness is Keith Bowden. Does anyone have confirmation of that, from the man himself perhaps? I don?t know the face to the right of Rod (Rob?) MacFarlane either. ?Vern? was definitely more distinctive than ?John? and you weren?t the only one to go by your middle name. What do non-BBC people call you? Geoff From: Tech1 [mailto:tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk] On Behalf Of vernon.dyer via Tech1 Sent: 19 July 2019 22:17 To: John Howell via Tech1 Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Riverside Studios Yes, at that time there were so many Johns; John Corby is JM Corby, hence 'Jim', and my first name is John so became known by my middle name. Best wishes ..... Vern Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. -------- Original message -------- From: John Howell via Tech1 mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Date: 19/07/2019 20:28 (GMT+00:00) To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Riverside Studios Hi Geoff, Righthand group: the late John Hays (SAI), Dave Denness, Keith Bowden, Jim Corby, and yes, Eddy Brandon. Hibou. On 19/07/2019 18:55, Geoff Hawkes via Tech1 wrote: I recognise nearly all of them except the one leaning in centre left and the two on the right behind John (then Jim) Corby. I think the one far right maybe Eddy Brandon, though he usually had long hair when I knew him later, Geoff On 19 Jul 2019, at 17:06, paulvictork--- via Tech1 wrote: Well remeber Riverside: Dixon. Dr Finlay. Cafe Continental. and many more Oh ! for my lost diaries Regards Paul On Fri, 19 Jul 2019 12:06:05 +0000 (UTC), ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 wrote: Time to post this old thing again. Crew 16 outside the Chancellors, when it was Riverside 3. Last time I visited Riverside, for the Playschool reunion, just before it was demolished, the Chancellors had lost its charm. Only a few of the old photos remained on the walls. But now Riverside is reopening as studios, maybe it'll become a show-biz watering hole, once again. luv, Rog. On Friday, 19 July 2019, 07:29:15 BST, Peter Neill via Tech1 wrote: But it?s being rebuilt as ? wait for it ? studios! Peter. Sent from my iPhone. Apologies for typos and autocorruptions. > On 19 Jul 2019, at 00:47, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: > > What a sad sight! All those memorable programs for many years, even before the BBC got them. We all cut our teeth on the Riverside training week to decide whether you should do cameras or sound! Laurie Duly and Keith Blair put us through our paces and we did all sorts of program exercises to determine where our skills (if any!) lay. I was told I should be a camera person, but having done three years in radio in Birmingham I really didn't want to change horses! Even after my BBC career I was still working there for Ch.4 doing 'TFI Friday' with my OB scanner and then TOTP when it moved down from Elstree. Bernie's pictures of 'The Chancellors' brought back many happy memories of Studio R3 where we had a cable over the road and a phone on the end to tell us when we were needed to work, in the 'Dr. Finlay' days! Riverside recording studio, (previously a dubbing suite, was a precursor to TMS in LG and was used to do the very first backing tracks for TOTP. I recorded the iconic 'Sportsnight' sig. tune there with Len Shorey and many other well-known pieces. The Studer C37 tape machines were unique in having editing scissors built in and a large lamp bulb inside the machine which I am still not quite sure what it's function was! 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URL: From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Sat Jul 20 13:08:43 2019 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2019 19:08:43 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Instructions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1fe80309-e828-4634-806f-517104d00e33@btinternet.com> You no unnerstan plane English? Seems easy enough to me! Just glue it on! Good Luck! Cheers, Dave From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Sat Jul 20 15:03:40 2019 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2019 21:03:40 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Riverside Studios R3 picture In-Reply-To: <1095426781.5229400.1563537965283@mail.yahoo.com> References: <2f758514-1e10-212f-aeea-6684cfbc6b4c@gmail.com> <9810DCA87863447A9692E62362B9C0F3@Gigabyte> <77F9DCE0-E5BE-4DB1-87EE-F4018D41A269@icloud.com> <1095426781.5229400.1563537965283@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I think that I have told you all about how I got a copy of the picture. The recently deceased John Hayes had a flat in High Wycombe rented out to a 'lady-of the night' and he became her chauffeur. One day she had a morning appointment in Fulham and as it was close to lunch time, having full-filled her duties, she asked John if there was anywhere to eat. He remembered 'The Chancellors' and took her there! John saw the BBC pictures on the wall and asked the barman if he could get him a copy of the Crew 16 picture. I was working in Riverside every Thursday and Friday doing 'TFI Friday' for Channel 4 in my OB scanner so 'The Chancellors' had become my local! (We even shot a sequence in the landlady's apartment upstairs, the holy of holies! If you knew Bella you'd know what I mean, a lady made for Benidorm if ever there was one!). Anyway, the barman told me about John's visit so I asked him to get me a copy as well. He gave me John's contact details so when the copies has been done I rang John (who lived in Great Missenden at the time), and he was most surprised that I knew about his request! I invited him to my Thursday meeting pub in Lacey Green and I gave him his copy. I was pleased to see it on a picture board in his house when I attended his funeral recently. What a long tail our cat's got, as my Mother used to say! Cheers, Dave. From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Sat Jul 20 15:17:02 2019 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2019 21:17:02 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] The Gulf Message-ID: This is not political! When I was driving HMS Scylla round the Straits of Hormuz, cough, cough, in 1987 during the Noel Edmonds Christmas Show, there were three frigates on duty all the time escorting British flagged tankers, (plus lots of others cheekily tagging along for the ride!) Only at Christmas they stood down to celebrate Christmas, one-at-a time, over three days. Nuff said. Cheers, Dave From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net Sat Jul 20 16:14:58 2019 From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt) Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2019 22:14:58 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] The Gulf In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <880D0C926F5E411EA9D4B43AEC43E256@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> It may not be political but it's a pretty telling anecdote. It never ceases to amaze me what a collective breadth of experience is regularly revealed in member's posts. How many of you are tempted to write a book? Recently I recall Pat Heigham being encouraged in that direction! Dave Newbitt. -----Original Message----- From: dave.mdv via Tech1 Sent: Saturday, July 20, 2019 9:17 PM To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: [Tech1] The Gulf This is not political! When I was driving HMS Scylla round the Straits of Hormuz, cough, cough, in 1987 during the Noel Edmonds Christmas Show, there were three frigates on duty all the time escorting British flagged tankers, (plus lots of others cheekily tagging along for the ride!) Only at Christmas they stood down to celebrate Christmas, one-at-a time, over three days. Nuff said. Cheers, Dave -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From mibridge at mac.com Sat Jul 20 17:58:08 2019 From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles) Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2019 23:58:08 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Instructions In-Reply-To: <1fe80309-e828-4634-806f-517104d00e33@btinternet.com> References: <1fe80309-e828-4634-806f-517104d00e33@btinternet.com> Message-ID: A picture paints a thousand words! Mike G > On 20 Jul 2019, at 19:08, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: > > You no unnerstan plane English? Seems easy enough to me! Just glue it on! Good Luck! Cheers, Dave > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Sat Jul 20 18:28:19 2019 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2019 00:28:19 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Instructions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: PS. If you will buy cheap Chinese rubbish what do you expect! Cheers, Dave From robin.sutherland at ukgateway.net Sun Jul 21 05:21:27 2019 From: robin.sutherland at ukgateway.net (Robin Sutherland) Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2019 11:21:27 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Riverside Studios - who's in the picture? In-Reply-To: References: <007301d53e81$2b3ae140$81b0a3c0$@gmail.com> <6726d2db-4d4a-ad54-e8b1-e6085a8a1d84@howell61.f9.co.uk> <0F5C09B8C75545FC87A955D90962D80D@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> <0cb3b8c0-5015-2db0-5d01-36b7cc1958a3@gmail.com> Message-ID: I too well remember Brian Johns when I was a very junior oik on Crew19 in 1967. He was a lovely chap, very keen on flying and had a PPL. Everyone was stunned when he fell ill and passed away. I also remember working on the Apollo 11 programme the day they landed on the moon. I was on my Inlay attachment and have no recollection of my contribution to this epic [not much I suspect]. I do remember another shift taking over, driving home at 1am and watching the first moonwalk at home on tv with the moon in the background out the window! Still seems amazing after 50 years. Dug out my old diary?Apollo 11 TC7 Crew4 1330-0045 Cheers Robin Sutherland > On 20 Jul 2019, at 18:29, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: > > You are quite right Bernard ? my memory date-wise is often wrong but not usually as badly wrong as in this case. Obviously I was right about the date re our Christmas snow experience but totally wrong with regard to Brian?s sad demise. I feel bad that my recollection has compressed the period of his illness in this way ? it seems disrespectful and I wish I had delved a little deeper before mentioning it. > > Having now checked I think the correct date was in the spring of 1968 when he was 27. Thank you for your gentle note of correction. > > Dave Newbitt. > > > > From: Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <> > Sent: Saturday, July 20, 2019 2:24 PM > To: <>tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > Subject: Re: [Tech1] Riverside Studios - who's in the picture? > > The picture was on page 28 of the website - http://www.tech-ops.co.uk/page28.html from about 2004. > > Dave - I think you may have your dates wrong on Brian Johns, because I'm pretty certain I knew him in 1966. I have an image in my head of him when we were leaving the Frithville gate heading for the Bush > > B > > > > On 20/07/2019 11:02, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: >> As you say John, it was Bob or Mac and I well remember the sense of unreality at the loss of a colleague so early in his life.The same ?not quite being able to grasp it? applied to the day when arriving to do TOTP we heard about poor Colin Charman. >> >> Well before then, in the early 60?s another tragically premature loss was that of Brian Johns. I suspect not too many will have known him but he was on my first crew (Crew 8) when I joined and I knew him quite well. He accompanied me on a visit to my parents in Somerset for Christmas 1962, travelling down in his A40 Farina. As is now legendary, snow set in with a vengeance and we had to return early to London driving on snow chains the whole way. Southern England had lying snow for 62 consecutive days, since which time no spell has exceeded 10 days. During 1963 Brian fell ill and was soon unable to continue working. He died in early 1964. >> >> Dave Newbitt. >> >> From: John Howell via Tech1 <> >> Sent: Saturday, July 20, 2019 10:02 AM >> To: <>tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Riverside Studios - who's in the picture? >> >> It was Bob or Mac, possibly Rob, but never Rod McFarlane. >> >> I had digs in Pennard Road W12 when I joined the Beeb, sharing a room with engineer John Bradley. In the other room were two guys in Film Recording. When they moved out Bob McFarlane and Peter Rose moved in, both are sadly no longer with us, Mac dying tragically from cancer at a very young 30 in 1973 and Peter who was Sound Sup. on 'The Antiques Roadshow' among many other big shows passed away in 2012. >> >> We didn't last long in Pennard Road despite the Sunday lunches for 2/6 extra and moved to a flat in The Avenue West Ealing. We were eventually joined by Chris Wilden and Barry Austin. >> >> John H. >> >> >> >> On 19/07/2019 23:27, geoff.hawkes134--- via Tech1 wrote: >>> Vern, >>> >>> Thanks for explaining why John Corby was known as Jim or ?Jimbo?, though in later more dignified years when he rose to high office, he reverted to his given name of John. >>> At one time ?Geoff? along with ?Jeff? became the most common name. >>> I?m still not convinced that the person to the right of Dave Deness is Keith Bowden. Does anyone have confirmation of that, from the man himself perhaps? I don?t know the face to the right of Rod (Rob?) MacFarlane either. >>> ?Vern? was definitely more distinctive than ?John? and you weren?t the only one to go by your middle name. What do non-BBC people call you? >>> >>> Geoff >>> >>> From: Tech1 [ <>mailto:tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk ] On Behalf Of vernon.dyer via Tech1 >>> Sent: 19 July 2019 22:17 >>> To: John Howell via Tech1 >>> Cc: <>tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Riverside Studios >>> >>> >>> Yes, at that time there were so many Johns; John Corby is JM Corby, hence 'Jim', and my first name is John so became known by my middle name. >>> >>> Best wishes ..... Vern >>> >>> >>> Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. >>> -------- Original message -------- >>> From: John Howell via Tech1 <>mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> Date: 19/07/2019 20:28 (GMT+00:00) >>> To: <>tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Riverside Studios >>> >>> Hi Geoff, >>> >>> Righthand group: the late John Hays (SAI), Dave Denness, Keith Bowden, Jim Corby, and yes, Eddy Brandon. >>> >>> Hibou. >>> >>> >>> >>> On 19/07/2019 18:55, Geoff Hawkes via Tech1 wrote: >>>> I recognise nearly all of them except the one leaning in centre left and the two on the right behind John (then Jim) Corby. I think the one far right maybe Eddy Brandon, though he usually had long hair when I knew him later, >>>> Geoff >>>> >>>> On 19 Jul 2019, at 17:06, paulvictork--- via Tech1 < <>tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > wrote: >>>> >>>>> Well remeber Riverside: Dixon. Dr Finlay. Cafe Continental. and many more Oh ! for my lost diaries Regards Paul >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, 19 Jul 2019 12:06:05 +0000 (UTC), ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 < <>tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Time to post this old thing again. Crew 16 outside the Chancellors, when it was Riverside 3. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Last time I visited Riverside, for the Playschool reunion, just before it was demolished, the Chancellors had lost its charm. Only a few of the old photos remained on the walls. But now Riverside is reopening as studios, maybe it'll become a show-biz watering hole, once again. >>>>> >>>>> luv, Rog. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Friday, 19 July 2019, 07:29:15 BST, Peter Neill via Tech1 < <>tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> But it?s being rebuilt as ? wait for it ? studios! >>>>> >>>>> Peter. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone. Apologies for typos and autocorruptions. >>>>> >>>>> > On 19 Jul 2019, at 00:47, dave.mdv via Tech1 < <>tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > wrote: >>>>> > >>>>> > What a sad sight! All those memorable programs for many years, even before the BBC got them. We all cut our teeth on the Riverside training week to decide whether you should do cameras or sound! Laurie Duly and Keith Blair put us through our paces and we did all sorts of program exercises to determine where our skills (if any!) lay. I was told I should be a camera person, but having done three years in radio in Birmingham I really didn't want to change horses! Even after my BBC career I was still working there for Ch.4 doing 'TFI Friday' with my OB scanner and then TOTP when it moved down from Elstree. Bernie's pictures of 'The Chancellors' brought back many happy memories of Studio R3 where we had a cable over the road and a phone on the end to tell us when we were needed to work, in the 'Dr. Finlay' days! Riverside recording studio, (previously a dubbing suite, was a precursor to TMS in LG and was used to do the very first backing tracks for TOTP. I recorded the iconic 'Sportsnight' sig. tune there with Len Shorey and many other well-known pieces. The Studer C37 tape machines were unique in having editing scissors built in and a large lamp bulb inside the machine which I am still not quite sure what it's function was! Cheers, Dave >>>>> > >>>>> > -- >>>>> > Tech1 mailing list >>>>> > <>Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>>> > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>>> <>Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>>>> -- >>>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>>> <>Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- >>>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>>> <>Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>>> >>> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> <>Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From tuckergarth at me.com Sun Jul 21 13:03:53 2019 From: tuckergarth at me.com (Garth Tucker) Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2019 19:03:53 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Riverside Studios - who's in the picture? In-Reply-To: <0F5C09B8C75545FC87A955D90962D80D@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> References: <007301d53e81$2b3ae140$81b0a3c0$@gmail.com> <6726d2db-4d4a-ad54-e8b1-e6085a8a1d84@howell61.f9.co.uk> <0F5C09B8C75545FC87A955D90962D80D@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> Message-ID: I remember Brian Johns passing with great sadness. He drank in my local pub in Burnham, Buckinghamshire, and was on my original TO Course at Evesham. He was largely responsible for a wicked film documentary which claimed Wood Norton was the site of nuclear strike facility. Garth > On 20 Jul 2019, at 11:02, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: > > As you say John, it was Bob or Mac and I well remember the sense of unreality at the loss of a colleague so early in his life.The same ?not quite being able to grasp it? applied to the day when arriving to do TOTP we heard about poor Colin Charman. > > Well before then, in the early 60?s another tragically premature loss was that of Brian Johns. I suspect not too many will have known him but he was on my first crew (Crew 8) when I joined and I knew him quite well. He accompanied me on a visit to my parents in Somerset for Christmas 1962, travelling down in his A40 Farina. As is now legendary, snow set in with a vengeance and we had to return early to London driving on snow chains the whole way. Southern England had lying snow for 62 consecutive days, since which time no spell has exceeded 10 days. During 1963 Brian fell ill and was soon unable to continue working. He died in early 1964. > > Dave Newbitt. > > From: John Howell via Tech1 <> > Sent: Saturday, July 20, 2019 10:02 AM > To: <>tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > Subject: Re: [Tech1] Riverside Studios - who's in the picture? > > It was Bob or Mac, possibly Rob, but never Rod McFarlane. > > I had digs in Pennard Road W12 when I joined the Beeb, sharing a room with engineer John Bradley. In the other room were two guys in Film Recording. When they moved out Bob McFarlane and Peter Rose moved in, both are sadly no longer with us, Mac dying tragically from cancer at a very young 30 in 1973 and Peter who was Sound Sup. on 'The Antiques Roadshow' among many other big shows passed away in 2012. > > We didn't last long in Pennard Road despite the Sunday lunches for 2/6 extra and moved to a flat in The Avenue West Ealing. We were eventually joined by Chris Wilden and Barry Austin. > > John H. > > > > On 19/07/2019 23:27, geoff.hawkes134--- via Tech1 wrote: >> Vern, >> >> Thanks for explaining why John Corby was known as Jim or ?Jimbo?, though in later more dignified years when he rose to high office, he reverted to his given name of John. >> At one time ?Geoff? along with ?Jeff? became the most common name. >> I?m still not convinced that the person to the right of Dave Deness is Keith Bowden. Does anyone have confirmation of that, from the man himself perhaps? I don?t know the face to the right of Rod (Rob?) MacFarlane either. >> ?Vern? was definitely more distinctive than ?John? and you weren?t the only one to go by your middle name. What do non-BBC people call you? >> >> Geoff >> >> From: Tech1 [ <>mailto:tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk ] On Behalf Of vernon.dyer via Tech1 >> Sent: 19 July 2019 22:17 >> To: John Howell via Tech1 >> Cc: <>tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Riverside Studios >> >> >> Yes, at that time there were so many Johns; John Corby is JM Corby, hence 'Jim', and my first name is John so became known by my middle name. >> >> Best wishes ..... Vern >> >> >> Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. >> -------- Original message -------- >> From: John Howell via Tech1 <>mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> Date: 19/07/2019 20:28 (GMT+00:00) >> To: <>tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Riverside Studios >> >> Hi Geoff, >> >> Righthand group: the late John Hays (SAI), Dave Denness, Keith Bowden, Jim Corby, and yes, Eddy Brandon. >> >> Hibou. >> >> >> >> On 19/07/2019 18:55, Geoff Hawkes via Tech1 wrote: >>> I recognise nearly all of them except the one leaning in centre left and the two on the right behind John (then Jim) Corby. I think the one far right maybe Eddy Brandon, though he usually had long hair when I knew him later, >>> Geoff >>> >>> On 19 Jul 2019, at 17:06, paulvictork--- via Tech1 < <>tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > wrote: >>> >>>> Well remeber Riverside: Dixon. Dr Finlay. Cafe Continental. and many more Oh ! for my lost diaries Regards Paul >>>> >>>> On Fri, 19 Jul 2019 12:06:05 +0000 (UTC), ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 < <>tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> Time to post this old thing again. Crew 16 outside the Chancellors, when it was Riverside 3. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Last time I visited Riverside, for the Playschool reunion, just before it was demolished, the Chancellors had lost its charm. Only a few of the old photos remained on the walls. But now Riverside is reopening as studios, maybe it'll become a show-biz watering hole, once again. >>>> >>>> luv, Rog. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Friday, 19 July 2019, 07:29:15 BST, Peter Neill via Tech1 < <>tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> But it?s being rebuilt as ? wait for it ? studios! >>>> >>>> Peter. >>>> >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone. Apologies for typos and autocorruptions. >>>> >>>> > On 19 Jul 2019, at 00:47, dave.mdv via Tech1 < <>tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > wrote: >>>> > >>>> > What a sad sight! All those memorable programs for many years, even before the BBC got them. We all cut our teeth on the Riverside training week to decide whether you should do cameras or sound! Laurie Duly and Keith Blair put us through our paces and we did all sorts of program exercises to determine where our skills (if any!) lay. I was told I should be a camera person, but having done three years in radio in Birmingham I really didn't want to change horses! Even after my BBC career I was still working there for Ch.4 doing 'TFI Friday' with my OB scanner and then TOTP when it moved down from Elstree. Bernie's pictures of 'The Chancellors' brought back many happy memories of Studio R3 where we had a cable over the road and a phone on the end to tell us when we were needed to work, in the 'Dr. Finlay' days! Riverside recording studio, (previously a dubbing suite, was a precursor to TMS in LG and was used to do the very first backing tracks for TOTP. I recorded the iconic 'Sportsnight' sig. tune there with Len Shorey and many other well-known pieces. The Studer C37 tape machines were unique in having editing scissors built in and a large lamp bulb inside the machine which I am still not quite sure what it's function was! 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URL: From geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com Sun Jul 21 14:15:18 2019 From: geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com (Geoff Hawkes) Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2019 20:15:18 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Riverside Studios In-Reply-To: <1563552390.4k59ka690k0cs8gc@webmail.uwclub.net> References: <2f758514-1e10-212f-aeea-6684cfbc6b4c@gmail.com> <9810DCA87863447A9692E62362B9C0F3@Gigabyte> <77F9DCE0-E5BE-4DB1-87EE-F4018D41A269@icloud.com> <1095426781.5229400.1563537965283@mail.yahoo.com> <1563552390.4k59ka690k0cs8gc@webmail.uwclub.net> Message-ID: Incidentally, they were all classically dressed with jackets and ties as we all did in the sixties. When was the watershed moment when it changed to jumpers and trousers or even jeans? Len Shorey told me how Jem Whippey raised a few eyebrows when he turned up for his recruitment interview in casual dress, but they let him in and perhaps it was him who set the trend, Geoff > On 19 Jul 2019, at 17:06, paulvictork--- via Tech1 wrote: > > Well remeber Riverside: Dixon. Dr Finlay. Cafe Continental. and many more Oh ! for my lost diaries Regards Paul > > > On Fri, 19 Jul 2019 12:06:05 +0000 (UTC), ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 wrote: > > > Time to post this old thing again. Crew 16 outside the Chancellors, when it was Riverside 3. > > > > Last time I visited Riverside, for the Playschool reunion, just before it was demolished, the Chancellors had lost its charm. Only a few of the old photos remained on the walls. But now Riverside is reopening as studios, maybe it'll become a show-biz watering hole, once again. > > luv, Rog. > > > On Friday, 19 July 2019, 07:29:15 BST, Peter Neill via Tech1 wrote: > > > > But it?s being rebuilt as ? wait for it ? studios! > > Peter. > > > Sent from my iPhone. Apologies for typos and autocorruptions. > > > On 19 Jul 2019, at 00:47, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: > > > > What a sad sight! All those memorable programs for many years, even before the BBC got them. We all cut our teeth on the Riverside training week to decide whether you should do cameras or sound! Laurie Duly and Keith Blair put us through our paces and we did all sorts of program exercises to determine where our skills (if any!) lay. I was told I should be a camera person, but having done three years in radio in Birmingham I really didn't want to change horses! Even after my BBC career I was still working there for Ch.4 doing 'TFI Friday' with my OB scanner and then TOTP when it moved down from Elstree. Bernie's pictures of 'The Chancellors' brought back many happy memories of Studio R3 where we had a cable over the road and a phone on the end to tell us when we were needed to work, in the 'Dr. Finlay' days! Riverside recording studio, (previously a dubbing suite, was a precursor to TMS in LG and was used to do the very first backing tracks for TOTP. I recorded the iconic 'Sportsnight' sig. tune there with Len Shorey and many other well-known pieces. 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Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: paulvictork--- via Tech1 Sent: 19 July 2019 17:06 To: rogerbunce at btinternet.com Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Riverside Studios Well remember Riverside:? Dixon. Dr Finlay. Cafe Continental. and many more Oh ! for my lost diaries Regards Paul ? --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gary_critcher at yahoo.com Sun Jul 21 15:11:48 2019 From: gary_critcher at yahoo.com (Gary Critcher) Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2019 20:11:48 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Tech1] hours on a machine? References: <1281491861.6335815.1563739908014.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1281491861.6335815.1563739908014@mail.yahoo.com> Lads, a friend and I are thinking of buying this machine; SONY - DVW-M2000P DVW-M2000P (Used) | | | | SONY - DVW-M2000P DVW-M2000P (Used) DVW-M2000P (Used)Long descriptionMachine Hours:Drum 2552hrs Tape 1597hrs Operation 4664hrs Thread 18883 times | | | ? It has on it;Machine Hours: Drum 2552hrs Tape 1597hrs Operation 4664hrs Thread 18883 times ? Can anyone tell me if that is a lot?? Many thanks indeed.all the best, ???? Gary C -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bernie833 at gmail.com Sun Jul 21 15:54:02 2019 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2019 21:54:02 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Picard Message-ID: <5c7e3bba-c9aa-c807-b5a9-f67f152b196d@gmail.com> Having enjoyed Star Trek since the days when we had to stop watching in the gallery in order to go downstairs to work on Softly Softly ("Next week we're live", but we never were), I was interested yesterday that at San Diego Comicon they released a two minute trail for Picard, the next spin off. You can try watching it on Ars Technica - https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2019/07/once-again-engage-picard-trailer-feels-like-the-next-next-generation/ ? but it won't let you, as you're in the wrong country. There's a certain madness about this, because any technically minded person (like a Trek fan) can get round that in seconds, probably using the free Tor browser and telling it that you are in the US, or maybe a VPN. I've done a little ripping off - though as the tech-ops server is actually in the US, not much - so you can watch it easily. The cropping of the OBS Studio screen isn't perfect, but who cares - http://www.tech-ops.co.uk/bern/trail.mp4 B -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From geoffletch at gmail.com Sun Jul 21 16:04:40 2019 From: geoffletch at gmail.com (Geoff Fletcher) Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2019 22:04:40 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Riverside Studios - who's in the picture? In-Reply-To: References: <007301d53e81$2b3ae140$81b0a3c0$@gmail.com> <6726d2db-4d4a-ad54-e8b1-e6085a8a1d84@howell61.f9.co.uk> <0F5C09B8C75545FC87A955D90962D80D@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> <0cb3b8c0-5015-2db0-5d01-36b7cc1958a3@gmail.com> Message-ID: Wednesday 15th May 1968. According to my diary, I was working in TC3 on Dave Muttons?s Crew 14 doing Camera 6 on The Detectives. I wrote ?Dick Greening told me about poor Brian Johns - very, very sad news?. Geoff F > On 21 Jul 2019, at 11:21, Robin Sutherland via Tech1 wrote: > > I too well remember Brian Johns when I was a very junior oik on Crew19 in 1967. He was a lovely chap, very keen on flying and had a PPL. Everyone was stunned when he fell ill and passed away. > > I also remember working on the Apollo 11 programme the day they landed on the moon. I was on my Inlay attachment and have no recollection of my contribution to this epic [not much I suspect]. > I do remember another shift taking over, driving home at 1am and watching the first moonwalk at home on tv with the moon in the background out the window! Still seems amazing after 50 years. > > Dug out my old diary?Apollo 11 TC7 Crew4 1330-0045 > > Cheers Robin Sutherland > > > > > >> On 20 Jul 2019, at 18:29, David Newbitt via Tech1 > wrote: >> >> You are quite right Bernard ? my memory date-wise is often wrong but not usually as badly wrong as in this case. Obviously I was right about the date re our Christmas snow experience but totally wrong with regard to Brian?s sad demise. I feel bad that my recollection has compressed the period of his illness in this way ? it seems disrespectful and I wish I had delved a little deeper before mentioning it. >> >> Having now checked I think the correct date was in the spring of 1968 when he was 27. Thank you for your gentle note of correction. >> >> Dave Newbitt. >> >> >> >> From: Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <> >> Sent: Saturday, July 20, 2019 2:24 PM >> To: <>tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Riverside Studios - who's in the picture? >> >> The picture was on page 28 of the website - http://www.tech-ops.co.uk/page28.html from about 2004. >> >> Dave - I think you may have your dates wrong on Brian Johns, because I'm pretty certain I knew him in 1966. I have an image in my head of him when we were leaving the Frithville gate heading for the Bush >> >> B >> >> >> >> On 20/07/2019 11:02, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: >>> As you say John, it was Bob or Mac and I well remember the sense of unreality at the loss of a colleague so early in his life.The same ?not quite being able to grasp it? applied to the day when arriving to do TOTP we heard about poor Colin Charman. >>> >>> Well before then, in the early 60?s another tragically premature loss was that of Brian Johns. I suspect not too many will have known him but he was on my first crew (Crew 8) when I joined and I knew him quite well. He accompanied me on a visit to my parents in Somerset for Christmas 1962, travelling down in his A40 Farina. As is now legendary, snow set in with a vengeance and we had to return early to London driving on snow chains the whole way. Southern England had lying snow for 62 consecutive days, since which time no spell has exceeded 10 days. During 1963 Brian fell ill and was soon unable to continue working. He died in early 1964. >>> >>> Dave Newbitt. >>> >>> From: John Howell via Tech1 <> >>> Sent: Saturday, July 20, 2019 10:02 AM >>> To: <>tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Riverside Studios - who's in the picture? >>> >>> It was Bob or Mac, possibly Rob, but never Rod McFarlane. >>> >>> I had digs in Pennard Road W12 when I joined the Beeb, sharing a room with engineer John Bradley. In the other room were two guys in Film Recording. When they moved out Bob McFarlane and Peter Rose moved in, both are sadly no longer with us, Mac dying tragically from cancer at a very young 30 in 1973 and Peter who was Sound Sup. on 'The Antiques Roadshow' among many other big shows passed away in 2012. >>> >>> We didn't last long in Pennard Road despite the Sunday lunches for 2/6 extra and moved to a flat in The Avenue West Ealing. We were eventually joined by Chris Wilden and Barry Austin. >>> >>> John H. >>> >>> >>> >>> On 19/07/2019 23:27, geoff.hawkes134--- via Tech1 wrote: >>>> Vern, >>>> >>>> Thanks for explaining why John Corby was known as Jim or ?Jimbo?, though in later more dignified years when he rose to high office, he reverted to his given name of John. >>>> At one time ?Geoff? along with ?Jeff? became the most common name. >>>> I?m still not convinced that the person to the right of Dave Deness is Keith Bowden. Does anyone have confirmation of that, from the man himself perhaps? I don?t know the face to the right of Rod (Rob?) MacFarlane either. >>>> ?Vern? was definitely more distinctive than ?John? and you weren?t the only one to go by your middle name. What do non-BBC people call you? >>>> >>>> Geoff >>>> >>>> From: Tech1 [ <>mailto:tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk ] On Behalf Of vernon.dyer via Tech1 >>>> Sent: 19 July 2019 22:17 >>>> To: John Howell via Tech1 >>>> Cc: <>tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Riverside Studios >>>> >>>> >>>> Yes, at that time there were so many Johns; John Corby is JM Corby, hence 'Jim', and my first name is John so became known by my middle name. >>>> >>>> Best wishes ..... Vern >>>> >>>> >>>> Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. >>>> -------- Original message -------- >>>> From: John Howell via Tech1 <>mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>> Date: 19/07/2019 20:28 (GMT+00:00) >>>> To: <>tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Riverside Studios >>>> >>>> Hi Geoff, >>>> >>>> Righthand group: the late John Hays (SAI), Dave Denness, Keith Bowden, Jim Corby, and yes, Eddy Brandon. >>>> >>>> Hibou. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 19/07/2019 18:55, Geoff Hawkes via Tech1 wrote: >>>>> I recognise nearly all of them except the one leaning in centre left and the two on the right behind John (then Jim) Corby. I think the one far right maybe Eddy Brandon, though he usually had long hair when I knew him later, >>>>> Geoff >>>>> >>>>> On 19 Jul 2019, at 17:06, paulvictork--- via Tech1 < <>tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Well remeber Riverside: Dixon. Dr Finlay. Cafe Continental. and many more Oh ! for my lost diaries Regards Paul >>>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, 19 Jul 2019 12:06:05 +0000 (UTC), ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 < <>tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Time to post this old thing again. Crew 16 outside the Chancellors, when it was Riverside 3. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Last time I visited Riverside, for the Playschool reunion, just before it was demolished, the Chancellors had lost its charm. Only a few of the old photos remained on the walls. But now Riverside is reopening as studios, maybe it'll become a show-biz watering hole, once again. >>>>>> >>>>>> luv, Rog. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Friday, 19 July 2019, 07:29:15 BST, Peter Neill via Tech1 < <>tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> But it?s being rebuilt as ? wait for it ? studios! >>>>>> >>>>>> Peter. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone. Apologies for typos and autocorruptions. >>>>>> >>>>>> > On 19 Jul 2019, at 00:47, dave.mdv via Tech1 < <>tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > wrote: >>>>>> > >>>>>> > What a sad sight! All those memorable programs for many years, even before the BBC got them. We all cut our teeth on the Riverside training week to decide whether you should do cameras or sound! Laurie Duly and Keith Blair put us through our paces and we did all sorts of program exercises to determine where our skills (if any!) lay. I was told I should be a camera person, but having done three years in radio in Birmingham I really didn't want to change horses! Even after my BBC career I was still working there for Ch.4 doing 'TFI Friday' with my OB scanner and then TOTP when it moved down from Elstree. Bernie's pictures of 'The Chancellors' brought back many happy memories of Studio R3 where we had a cable over the road and a phone on the end to tell us when we were needed to work, in the 'Dr. Finlay' days! Riverside recording studio, (previously a dubbing suite, was a precursor to TMS in LG and was used to do the very first backing tracks for TOTP. I recorded the iconic 'Sportsnight' sig. tune there with Len Shorey and many other well-known pieces. The Studer C37 tape machines were unique in having editing scissors built in and a large lamp bulb inside the machine which I am still not quite sure what it's function was! 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URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Mon Jul 22 07:21:03 2019 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2019 13:21:03 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] hours on a machine? In-Reply-To: <1281491861.6335815.1563739908014@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1281491861.6335815.1563739908014.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1281491861.6335815.1563739908014@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5d35aa2f.1c69fb81.2be33.b622@mx.google.com> You could ask the guys at Stanley Productions: Although the retail business shut down, Martin & Paul bought out the maintenance service and still operate, but now from 10-11 Percy Street W1T 1DN. (Previously from Fleece Road, Surbiton ? no longer there) Martin has now retired but Paul is still around. Phone: 020 8398 7843 sales at stanleys.london I?ve used them for many years and they kept some ancient machines of mine running. Best Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Gary Critcher via Tech1 Sent: 21 July 2019 21:12 To: Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: [Tech1] hours on a machine? Lads, a friend and I are thinking of buying this machine; SONY - DVW-M2000P DVW-M2000P (Used) SONY - DVW-M2000P DVW-M2000P (Used) DVW-M2000P (Used)Long descriptionMachine Hours:Drum 2552hrs Tape 1597hrs Operation 4664hrs Thread 18883 times ? It has on it; Machine Hours: Drum 2552hrs Tape 1597hrs Operation 4664hrs Thread 18883 times ? Can anyone tell me if that is a lot? ? Many thanks indeed. all the best, ???? Gary C --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nick at nickway.co.uk Mon Jul 22 07:30:48 2019 From: nick at nickway.co.uk (Nick Way) Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2019 13:30:48 +0100 (BST) Subject: [Tech1] hours on a machine? In-Reply-To: <5d35aa2f.1c69fb81.2be33.b622@mx.google.com> References: <1281491861.6335815.1563739908014.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1281491861.6335815.1563739908014@mail.yahoo.com> <5d35aa2f.1c69fb81.2be33.b622@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <282411449.157300.1563798648337@email.ionos.co.uk> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From waresound at msn.com Mon Jul 22 08:21:09 2019 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2019 13:21:09 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] hours on a machine? In-Reply-To: <5d35aa2f.1c69fb81.2be33.b622@mx.google.com> References: <1281491861.6335815.1563739908014.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1281491861.6335815.1563739908014@mail.yahoo.com>, <5d35aa2f.1c69fb81.2be33.b622@mx.google.com> Message-ID: You could even ask Visual Impact! In my experience they are the best, and probably know the history of that particular machine. Cheers, Nick. Sent from my iPad On 22 Jul 2019, at 13:21, patheigham via Tech1 > wrote: You could ask the guys at Stanley Productions: Although the retail business shut down, Martin & Paul bought out the maintenance service and still operate, but now from 10-11 Percy Street W1T 1DN. (Previously from Fleece Road, Surbiton ? no longer there) Martin has now retired but Paul is still around. Phone: 020 8398 7843 sales at stanleys.london I?ve used them for many years and they kept some ancient machines of mine running. Best Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Gary Critcher via Tech1 Sent: 21 July 2019 21:12 To: Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: [Tech1] hours on a machine? Lads, a friend and I are thinking of buying this machine; SONY - DVW-M2000P DVW-M2000P (Used) SONY - DVW-M2000P DVW-M2000P (Used) DVW-M2000P (Used)Long descriptionMachine Hours:Drum 2552hrs Tape 1597hrs Operation 4664hrs Thread 18883 times It has on it; Machine Hours: Drum 2552hrs Tape 1597hrs Operation 4664hrs Thread 18883 times Can anyone tell me if that is a lot? Many thanks indeed. all the best, Gary C [https://ipmcdn.avast.com/images/icons/icon-envelope-tick-round-orange-animated-no-repeat-v1.gif] Virus-free. www.avast.com -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com Tue Jul 23 12:36:58 2019 From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray) Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2019 18:36:58 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] FREE steam locomotive profile drawing program for Windows 10 Message-ID: <29a79c85-bd33-21af-ffc0-924587dd9e7f@gmail.com> *Free Locomotive Drawing Program * ?Over the years, as some of you may know, I have written a program to allow you to ?design? steam locomotives. It?s not CAD! It draws left or right elevations, as locomotive (weight) diagrams (as in the GWR book ?Numbers Names Types Classes?) or as full colour pictures (and with backgrounds) (rather like thecoloured lithographs of locomotives in profile offered by the Railway Magazine during the early part of the twentieth century). This program has been sold to raise funds for the Great Western Society?s rebuilds of a ?Saint? and a 4-6-0 ?County? (neither type made it to preservation).As you might guess, the program uses Great Western design constraints and GW internal ?house? styles to produce GW style locomotives (there are hooks in the program should anyone want to continue and do BR Standards!) ?The last release was some time back (running on 5 platforms ? 2 x Windows, 2 x Linux and Raspberry Pi), but changes in the public?s use of apps means that sales have fallen off.Since that last release, I have been tinkering with the program: it can now draw locomotives right back to the start of GW standard gauge loco development (although with some restrictions - no slotted splashers or slotted frames!)? It can now go from Queens to Kings! . I have made a final release of current work - mainly for my own purpose, as a sort of "closure" - but this release runs on *Windows 10 64-bit only*. ?This, then, is its last hurrah. ?Would you like a copy? No charge, but a small donation either to the Great Western Society, the British Heart Foundation or a cancer charity of your choice would be appreciated.(As would any comments you have about the program!) More information about the program in this (yawn-making) YouTube video (sorry, sound people, about the sound quality): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVbjORiMG-8 ?(or visit this website: https://gwrlocomotivesketchpad.wordpress.com/) ?If you would like a copy of the program, simply send me an email at alec.bray at yahoo.com. (The installation image will then come via "WeTransfer", and you'll have an email which will include the Installation Key.) BTW, here is a photo of the "real" Lady of Legend: and here is the (current) Sketchpad version - looks like the can needs to be longer! -- Best Regards Alec Alec Bray alec.bray.2 at gmail.com mob: 07789 561 346 home: 0118 981 7502 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Graeme Wall > On 23 Jul 2019, at 18:36, Alec Bray via Tech1 wrote: > > Free Locomotive Drawing Program > > Over the years, as some of you may know, I have written a program to allow you to ?design? steam locomotives. It?s not CAD! It draws left or right elevations, as locomotive (weight) diagrams (as in the GWR book ?Numbers Names Types Classes?) or as full colour pictures (and with backgrounds) (rather like the coloured lithographs of locomotives in profile offered by the Railway Magazine during the early part of the twentieth century). > > This program has been sold to raise funds for the Great Western Society?s rebuilds of a ?Saint? and a 4-6-0 ?County? (neither type made it to preservation). As you might guess, the program uses Great Western design constraints and GW internal ?house? styles to produce GW style locomotives (there are hooks in the program should anyone want to continue and do BR Standards!) > The last release was some time back (running on 5 platforms ? 2 x Windows, 2 x Linux and Raspberry Pi), but changes in the public?s use of apps means that sales have fallen off. Since that last release, I have been tinkering with the program: it can now draw locomotives right back to the start of GW standard gauge loco development (although with some restrictions - no slotted splashers or slotted frames!) It can now go from Queens to Kings! . > > I have made a final release of current work - mainly for my own purpose, as a sort of "closure" - but this release runs on Windows 10 64-bit only. > > This, then, is its last hurrah. > > > > Would you like a copy? > > No charge, but a small donation either to the Great Western Society, the British Heart Foundation or a cancer charity of your choice would be appreciated. (As would any comments you have about the program!) > > More information about the program in this (yawn-making) YouTube video (sorry, sound people, about the sound quality): > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVbjORiMG-8 > > (or visit this website: https://gwrlocomotivesketchpad.wordpress.com/) > > > If you would like a copy of the program, simply send me an email at alec.bray at yahoo.com. > > (The installation image will then come via "WeTransfer", and you'll have an email which will include the Installation Key.) > > > BTW, here is a photo of the "real" Lady of Legend: > > > > and here is the (current) Sketchpad version - looks like the can needs to be longer! > > > > > > -- > > Best Regards > > Alec > > Alec Bray > > > alec.bray.2 at gmail.com > > mob: 07789 561 346 > home: 0118 981 7502 > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net Tue Jul 23 16:55:10 2019 From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt) Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2019 22:55:10 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] FREE steam locomotive profile drawing program for Windows 10 In-Reply-To: <29a79c85-bd33-21af-ffc0-924587dd9e7f@gmail.com> References: <29a79c85-bd33-21af-ffc0-924587dd9e7f@gmail.com> Message-ID: This clearly represents a brilliant foray into a fascinating field, so many congratulations. I?m afraid despite a lifelong fascination with steam (most particularly GWR) I just don?t have the grasp to join in the fun. All I can offer is this shot of the re-created Lady of Legend which I came across somewhere but don?t recollect where. I guess you Alec will have seen it but perhaps not all enthusiasts out there will have. Regards, Dave Newbitt. From: Alec Bray via Tech1 Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2019 6:36 PM To: TechOps Forum Subject: [Tech1] FREE steam locomotive profile drawing program for Windows 10 Free Locomotive Drawing Program Over the years, as some of you may know, I have written a program to allow you to ?design? steam locomotives. It?s not CAD! It draws left or right elevations, as locomotive (weight) diagrams (as in the GWR book ?Numbers Names Types Classes?) or as full colour pictures (and with backgrounds) (rather like the coloured lithographs of locomotives in profile offered by the Railway Magazine during the early part of the twentieth century). This program has been sold to raise funds for the Great Western Society?s rebuilds of a ?Saint? and a 4-6-0 ?County? (neither type made it to preservation). As you might guess, the program uses Great Western design constraints and GW internal ?house? styles to produce GW style locomotives (there are hooks in the program should anyone want to continue and do BR Standards!) The last release was some time back (running on 5 platforms ? 2 x Windows, 2 x Linux and Raspberry Pi), but changes in the public?s use of apps means that sales have fallen off. Since that last release, I have been tinkering with the program: it can now draw locomotives right back to the start of GW standard gauge loco development (although with some restrictions - no slotted splashers or slotted frames!) It can now go from Queens to Kings! . I have made a final release of current work - mainly for my own purpose, as a sort of "closure" - but this release runs on Windows 10 64-bit only. This, then, is its last hurrah. Would you like a copy? No charge, but a small donation either to the Great Western Society, the British Heart Foundation or a cancer charity of your choice would be appreciated. (As would any comments you have about the program!) More information about the program in this (yawn-making) YouTube video (sorry, sound people, about the sound quality): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVbjORiMG-8 (or visit this website: https://gwrlocomotivesketchpad.wordpress.com/) If you would like a copy of the program, simply send me an email at alec.bray at yahoo.com. (The installation image will then come via "WeTransfer", and you'll have an email which will include the Installation Key.) 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From pat.heigham at amps.net Wed Jul 24 12:37:40 2019 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2019 18:37:40 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Stickyness In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5d389763.1c69fb81.59d5a.8f3c@mx.google.com> There must be a ?Tonypan? Wasn?t nicknamed Teflon Tony for nothing! He also operated the ?golden rule? ? never appoint a deputy who is cleverer than you! Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: dave.mdv via Tech1 Sent: 24 July 2019 18:26 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: [Tech1] Stickyness Firstly, is everyone warm enough? Secondly, can anyone recommend a truly non-stick frying pan? I have tried several different types and they all eventually stick! Even the ceramic one, which worked perfectly for the first few times, now sticks (as many other people have noted on the internet). 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Can anyone explain Albert Sent from my iPad From bernie833 at gmail.com Wed Jul 24 13:00:46 2019 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2019 19:00:46 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Iss Message-ID: Just thought you'd like to know, on this clear night, the ISS will go right overhead at 2257 for 6 minutes -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bernie833 at gmail.com Wed Jul 24 13:01:21 2019 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2019 19:01:21 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] ISS again Message-ID: Sorry 2157 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Wed Jul 24 13:05:36 2019 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2019 19:05:36 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] ISS again In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5d389def.1c69fb81.629f0.3cea@mx.google.com> Is there a live feed of a camera looking at the Earth, anywhere? Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Bernard Newnham via Tech1 Sent: 24 July 2019 19:01 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: [Tech1] ISS again Sorry 2157 --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Wed Jul 24 13:11:19 2019 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2019 19:11:19 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] ISS again In-Reply-To: <5d389def.1c69fb81.629f0.3cea@mx.google.com> References: <5d389def.1c69fb81.629f0.3cea@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <5d389f46.1c69fb81.e7e4f.8395@mx.google.com> Think I?ve answered my own question: This from the ISS/NASA site: Update on High-Definition Earth Views from ISS The High Definition Earth-Viewing (HDEV) experiment on the International Space Station has experienced a loss of data, and ground computers are no longer receiving communications from the payload. A team of engineers are reviewing the available health and status information from HDEV to identify what may have occurred. Additional updates will be published as they become available. Tea break? Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: patheigham Sent: 24 July 2019 19:05 To: Bernard Newnham; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: RE: [Tech1] ISS again Is there a live feed of a camera looking at the Earth, anywhere? Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Bernard Newnham via Tech1 Sent: 24 July 2019 19:01 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: [Tech1] ISS again Sorry 2157 Virus-free. www.avast.com --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Available on Amazon, but we bought ours in Asda. -----Original Message----- From: dave.mdv via Tech1 Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2019 6:26 PM To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: [Tech1] Stickyness Firstly, is everyone warm enough? Secondly, can anyone recommend a truly non-stick frying pan? I have tried several different types and they all eventually stick! Even the ceramic one, which worked perfectly for the first few times, now sticks (as many other people have noted on the internet). Cheers, Dave. -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Wed Jul 24 15:50:06 2019 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2019 21:50:06 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Stickyness In-Reply-To: <2E55B6B90C574F5A91B44E64A1CAE13C@DESKTOPEU8OIGJ> References: <2E55B6B90C574F5A91B44E64A1CAE13C@DESKTOPEU8OIGJ> Message-ID: <5ddb08e6-6fd9-e236-f04d-191598a413c2@btinternet.com> Thanks, I saw one in Asda yesterday and wondered whether to get one! Cheers, Dave From waresound at msn.com Wed Jul 24 16:00:42 2019 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2019 21:00:42 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Stickyness In-Reply-To: <2E55B6B90C574F5A91B44E64A1CAE13C@DESKTOPEU8OIGJ> References: , <2E55B6B90C574F5A91B44E64A1CAE13C@DESKTOPEU8OIGJ> Message-ID: Notice how they never specify whether it?s your lifetime or the lifetime of the item they?re flogging. Advertising gobbledegook! Cheers, Nick. Sent from my iPad On 24 Jul 2019, at 20:38, Puddifoot(Doug) via Tech1 > wrote: We have had Scoville for several years with no problems. They also come with a "Lifetime Guarantee". Available on Amazon, but we bought ours in Asda. -----Original Message----- From: dave.mdv via Tech1 Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2019 6:26 PM To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: [Tech1] Stickyness Firstly, is everyone warm enough? Secondly, can anyone recommend a truly non-stick frying pan? I have tried several different types and they all eventually stick! Even the ceramic one, which worked perfectly for the first few times, now sticks (as many other people have noted on the internet). Cheers, Dave. -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graeme.wall at icloud.com Wed Jul 24 16:05:09 2019 From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall) Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2019 22:05:09 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] ISS again In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45BCF184-53B1-4ED5-AC99-205A2D261A63@icloud.com> Got a beautiful view of it right overhead, thanks for the heads up. ? Graeme Wall > On 24 Jul 2019, at 19:01, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: > > Sorry 2157 > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From doug at puddifoot.me Wed Jul 24 16:08:15 2019 From: doug at puddifoot.me (Puddifoot(Doug)) Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2019 22:08:15 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] ISS again In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks Bernie, it?s the first time I have seen it Doug From: Bernard Newnham via Tech1 Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2019 7:01 PM To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: [Tech1] ISS again Sorry 2157 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alawrance1 at me.com Wed Jul 24 16:13:37 2019 From: alawrance1 at me.com (Alasdair Lawrance) Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2019 22:13:37 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] ISS again In-Reply-To: <45BCF184-53B1-4ED5-AC99-205A2D261A63@icloud.com> References: <45BCF184-53B1-4ED5-AC99-205A2D261A63@icloud.com> Message-ID: <0DF0C4B9-493A-4292-94F1-598CC4E0B780@me.com> We?ve had a few good sightings recently, with unusually clear skies In sunny Warwickshire. I still have trouble believing what it is, and what it?s doing! Alasdair Lawrance Don?t blame me, I voted Remain. > On 24 Jul 2019, at 22:05, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote: > > Got a beautiful view of it right overhead, thanks for the heads up. > ? > Graeme Wall > > >> On 24 Jul 2019, at 19:01, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: >> >> Sorry 2157 >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From mibridge at mac.com Wed Jul 24 16:54:25 2019 From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles) Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2019 22:54:25 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Stickyness In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: It just goes to prove there?s no such thing as a free lunch, Dave - you get to wash up in the end whatever! Mike G > On 24 Jul 2019, at 18:26, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: > > Firstly, is everyone warm enough? Secondly, can anyone recommend a truly non-stick frying pan? I have tried several different types and they all eventually stick! Even the ceramic one, which worked perfectly for the first few times, now sticks (as many other people have noted on the internet). Cheers, Dave. > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From mibridge at mac.com Wed Jul 24 16:59:03 2019 From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles) Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2019 22:59:03 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] ISS again In-Reply-To: <45BCF184-53B1-4ED5-AC99-205A2D261A63@icloud.com> References: <45BCF184-53B1-4ED5-AC99-205A2D261A63@icloud.com> Message-ID: <1B60389E-5039-4F98-94A0-86D68720071A@mac.com> Didn?t see the update in time , so I?m outside now, but it?s not an unpleasant experience! Mike G > On 24 Jul 2019, at 22:05, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote: > > Got a beautiful view of it right overhead, thanks for the heads up. > ? > Graeme Wall > > >> On 24 Jul 2019, at 19:01, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: >> >> Sorry 2157 >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From mail at terrymeadowcroft.co.uk Wed Jul 24 17:15:46 2019 From: mail at terrymeadowcroft.co.uk (terrymeadowcroft) Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2019 23:15:46 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] ISS again References: <45BCF184-53B1-4ED5-AC99-205A2D261A63@icloud.com> Message-ID: Hi folks, In case you missed it, it will be around again soon, appearing at 23:33 for 5 minutes, appearing 10 degrees above West, and leaving five minutes later at ESE. Cheers, Terry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graeme Wall via Tech1" To: "Bernard Newnham" Cc: Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2019 10:05 PM Subject: Re: [Tech1] ISS again > Got a beautiful view of it right overhead, thanks for the heads up. > ? > Graeme Wall > > >> On 24 Jul 2019, at 19:01, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 >> wrote: >> >> Sorry 2157 >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > From j at howell61.f9.co.uk Wed Jul 24 17:27:09 2019 From: j at howell61.f9.co.uk (John Howell) Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2019 23:27:09 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Iss In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: ........................... and so it did, heading ESE, thanks Bernie, I confess I still look up at it in wonderment. Sometimes I play Sunita Williams' tour video to remind me what it's like inside. There are a number of versions floating about, the best edit seems to be THIS ONE . John H. On 24/07/2019 19:00, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: > Just thought you'd like to know, on this clear night, the ISS will go > right overhead at 2257 for 6 minutes > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alanaudio at me.com Thu Jul 25 03:15:28 2019 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2019 09:15:28 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Stickyness In-Reply-To: References: <2E55B6B90C574F5A91B44E64A1CAE13C@DESKTOPEU8OIGJ> Message-ID: We've tried all sorts of Teflon or ceramic coated frying pans and they all only had a relatively short useful life before the coating became useless, or even a liability. The worst of all was a ceramic coated pan with small chequered depressions. It was incredibly tedious to clean and was chucked out within a few months, despite being quite expensive. We then get a smooth based ceramic pan, which was easier to clean, but difficult to keep tolerably clean. The killer for all these pans was frying onions for a curry or casserole before adding the meat. The frying residues baked onto the pans very badly and was often resistant to normal deglazing techniques. The solution which has worked well for us for the last few years was to get a non-coated stainless steel frying pan which is used for mosts tasks and can be cleaned with stainless steel scouring pads if it gets too gunged up. They aren't often seen in retail shops, but we sourced one on-line through a professional chef supply company and it was surprisingly reasonably priced. In addition we also have a good quality Teflon frying pan which we keep solely for things like omelettes or pancakes, where the non-stickiness comes into it's own and the cooking process doesn't wreck the coating. Our "eggy" pan is nearly ten years old and still as good as new. We also acquired a cast iron frying pan, which had been sealed with oil and baked in an oven before using for the first time and every year or two subsequently, but it's excellent for cooking steaks and chops at extreme temperatures, it was given to us by an elderly person who had used it for donkey's years and it will last several more lifetimes more if properly used and looked after. Neither the "eggy" pan or the cast iron pan are ever allowed in the dishwasher and only need to be wiped clean after use, never soaked. The uncoated stainless steel pan gets all the abuse, is scoured harshly whenever needed and is often put into the dishwasher but shows no sign of being any the worse for it, and looks as though it will last indefinitely. If going down that route, consider getting a non-coated stainless steel pan with no plastic or wooden parts. Choosing one with a steel handle means that it can also survive being put inside the oven, under the grill, or used on the barbecue. Alan Taylor On 24 Jul 2019, at 24 Jul . 22:00, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: > Notice how they never specify whether it?s your lifetime or the lifetime of the item they?re flogging. Advertising gobbledegook! > Cheers, > Nick. > > Sent from my iPad > > > On 24 Jul 2019, at 20:38, Puddifoot(Doug) via Tech1 wrote: > >> We have had Scoville for several years with no problems. They also come with a "Lifetime Guarantee". Available on Amazon, but we bought ours in Asda. >> >> -----Original Message----- From: dave.mdv via Tech1 >> Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2019 6:26 PM >> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> Subject: [Tech1] Stickyness >> >> Firstly, is everyone warm enough? Secondly, can anyone recommend a truly >> non-stick frying pan? I have tried several different types and they all >> eventually stick! Even the ceramic one, which worked perfectly for the >> first few times, now sticks (as many other people have noted on the >> internet). Cheers, Dave. >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> >> --- >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bernie833 at gmail.com Thu Jul 25 04:02:49 2019 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2019 10:02:49 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Stickyness In-Reply-To: References: <2E55B6B90C574F5A91B44E64A1CAE13C@DESKTOPEU8OIGJ> Message-ID: For eggs, and lots of other things, I use a basic steel wok bought in Chinatown. Once suitably burned in, it stays non stick unless really abused.? For pancakes etc, I have one of those Asda pans someone mentioned, which seems very good and durable. B On 25/07/2019 09:15, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: > We've tried all sorts of Teflon or ceramic coated frying pans and they > all only had a relatively short useful life before the coating became > useless, or even a liability. ?The worst of all was a ceramic coated > pan with small chequered depressions. ?It was incredibly tedious to > clean and was chucked out within a few months, despite being quite > expensive. ?We then get a smooth based ceramic pan, which was easier > to clean, but difficult to keep tolerably clean. ?The killer for all > these pans was frying onions for a curry or casserole before adding > the meat. ?The frying residues baked onto the pans very badly and was > often resistant to normal deglazing techniques. > > The solution which has worked well for us for the last few years was > to get a non-coated stainless steel frying pan which is used for mosts > tasks and can be cleaned with stainless steel scouring pads if it gets > too gunged up. ?They aren't often seen in retail shops, but we sourced > one on-line through a professional chef supply company and it was > surprisingly reasonably priced. > > In addition we also have a good quality Teflon frying pan which we > keep solely for things like omelettes or pancakes, where the > non-stickiness comes into it's own and the cooking process doesn't > wreck the coating. Our "eggy" pan is nearly ten years old and still as > good as new. ?We also acquired a cast iron frying pan, which had been > sealed with oil and baked in an oven before using for the first time > and every year or two subsequently, but it's excellent for cooking > steaks and chops at extreme temperatures, it was given to us by an > elderly person who had used it for donkey's years and it will last > several more lifetimes more if properly used and looked after. > > Neither the "eggy" pan or the cast iron pan are ever allowed in the > dishwasher and only need to be wiped clean after use, never soaked. > The uncoated stainless steel pan gets all the abuse, is scoured > harshly whenever needed and is often put into the dishwasher but shows > no sign of being any the worse for it, and looks as though it will > last indefinitely. ?If going down that route, consider getting a > non-coated stainless steel pan with no plastic or wooden parts. > ?Choosing one with a steel handle means that it can also survive being > put inside the oven, under the grill, or used on the barbecue. > > Alan Taylor > > > > On 24 Jul 2019, at 24 Jul . 22:00, Nick Ware via Tech1 > > wrote: > >> Notice how they never specify whether it?s your lifetime or the >> lifetime of the item they?re flogging. Advertising gobbledegook! >> Cheers, >> Nick. >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> >> On 24 Jul 2019, at 20:38, Puddifoot(Doug) via Tech1 >> > wrote: >> >>> We have had Scoville for several years with no problems. They also >>> come with a "Lifetime Guarantee". Available on Amazon, but we bought >>> ours in Asda. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- From: dave.mdv via Tech1 >>> Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2019 6:26 PM >>> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> Subject: [Tech1] Stickyness >>> >>> Firstly, is everyone warm enough? Secondly, can anyone recommend a truly >>> non-stick frying pan? I have tried several different types and they all >>> eventually stick! Even the ceramic one, which worked perfectly for the >>> first few times, now sticks (as many other people have noted on the >>> internet). Cheers, Dave. >>> >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>> >>> --- >>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From waresound at msn.com Thu Jul 25 04:10:57 2019 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2019 09:10:57 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Stickyness In-Reply-To: References: <2E55B6B90C574F5A91B44E64A1CAE13C@DESKTOPEU8OIGJ> , Message-ID: My Mum lived all on her own for nearly forty years after my Dad died tragically young. We were worried that she often said that some days she didn?t bother cooking dinner for herself because ?it wasn?t worth dirtying all those pans just for one person?. I decided that a small non-stick Wok would be the ideal solution for her, and got her a very posh one. When I showed it to her, mentioning that it would mean using only one small gas-ring, she said: ?oh no, I won?t use that, I don?t like foreign food?. I tried to explain, but to no avail. But that was 13 years ago, and we still have the Wok, and still use it regularly today. Maybe this is just yet another example of ?they don?t make them like that anymore?. Who knows? Further to previous: at the time she was 93 and she died aged 95, so maybe a lifetime guarantee wasn?t asking much! It outlived her, but the question now is will it outlive me? Nick. Sent from my iPad -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk Thu Jul 25 05:35:41 2019 From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf) Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2019 11:35:41 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Stickyness In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Non-stick coatings have two problems. One is that they don't all last that well, and the other is that the cheaper ones cannot cope with high temperatures. You end up with quite a bit of Teflon in your food over time. You can soon sift out the low(er) temperature ones because they only claim to be safe to ~240?C, and break down above 260?C. That might sound OK but hot frying pans can exceed that relatively easily, and woks need to go up to 350?C+ for decent stirfrys. The better coatings can go to 300?C or so. That means that woks, pizza stones and frying pans used for really hot cooking really shouldn't have non-stick coatings. Cast iron or plain steel with oil seasoning are the safest and best for them. Ordinary pans don't suffer those temperatures and will work with non-stick coatings but you will get significant hot-spots where the temperature distribution is uneven - that's why the pans burn in specific places, and why the coatings come off unevenly even if you are careful with stirring implements. Stainless steel looks pretty and "clean" but it is as useless for conducting heat as it is for sharp knife blades. The only pans that conduct heat evenly are aluminium (really should be hard-anodized) and copper. These can be sandwiched with each other and perhaps some iron to allow use with induction hobs. Cast iron is not too far behind, but is much better just seasoned rather than having a non-stick coating stuck on. We have some (no longer available, because too expensive) Anolon copper/hard aluminium pans and it is impossible to burn food in them. They are quite amazing in that respect, and after 5 years you scarcely need do more than rinse them clean. Even the outside is coated so the food doesn't stick there either. We use metal implements on them sometimes too. However they are a dark grey finish, and not shiny like a stainless steel pan. They just work much better. Theoretically ceramic coatings should be good - they can cope with very high temperatures without breaking down - but the bonding of them to metal surfaces is problematic. A pity, because those of us who don't fancy Teflon in our diet could benefit from better ones. Chris Woolf On 24/07/2019 18:26, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: > Firstly, is everyone warm enough? Secondly, can anyone recommend a > truly non-stick frying pan? I have tried several different types and > they all eventually stick! Even the ceramic one, which worked > perfectly for the first few times, now sticks (as many other people > have noted on the internet). Cheers, Dave. > --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com Thu Jul 25 11:44:54 2019 From: geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com (Geoffrey Hawkes) Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2019 17:44:54 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] ISS In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <381AD5BC-AD13-451A-8CED-145E73424504@gmail.com> What time did it actually go over? First message said 2257 but was corrected to 2157 which is when I looked for it. I saw what looked like a very bright star travelling SW to NE and though I couldn?t hear any aircraft noise I thought it was going the wrong way to be the ISS and was probably going to land at Luton. An amazing experience for the residents if it was the ISS. Did I somehow miss it or was I looking an hour too soon? The skies were a bit cloudy but clear enough and I could see a lot of it. As it was I had to be content with a view of Jupiter, Geoff > On 24 Jul 2019, at 23:27, John Howell via Tech1 wrote: > > > ........................... and so it did, heading ESE, thanks Bernie, I confess I still look up at it in wonderment. > > Sometimes I play Sunita Williams' tour video to remind me what it's like inside. > > There are a number of versions floating about, the best edit seems to be THIS ONE. > > John H. > > > >> On 24/07/2019 19:00, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: >> Just thought you'd like to know, on this clear night, the ISS will go right overhead at 2257 for 6 minutes >> >> > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net Thu Jul 25 12:09:36 2019 From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt) Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2019 18:09:36 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Stickyness In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Very informative Chris and your mention of the particular Anolon range was very interesting. I therefore Googled about a little and wondered whether the pans here differ from those you referred to:- https://anolon.co.uk/ranges/nouvelle-copper.html (URL screen shot attached). Regards, Dave Newbitt. -----Original Message----- From: Chris Woolf via Tech1 Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2019 11:35 AM To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Stickyness Non-stick coatings have two problems. One is that they don't all last that well, and the other is that the cheaper ones cannot cope with high temperatures. You end up with quite a bit of Teflon in your food over time. You can soon sift out the low(er) temperature ones because they only claim to be safe to ~240?C, and break down above 260?C. That might sound OK but hot frying pans can exceed that relatively easily, and woks need to go up to 350?C+ for decent stirfrys. The better coatings can go to 300?C or so. That means that woks, pizza stones and frying pans used for really hot cooking really shouldn't have non-stick coatings. Cast iron or plain steel with oil seasoning are the safest and best for them. Ordinary pans don't suffer those temperatures and will work with non-stick coatings but you will get significant hot-spots where the temperature distribution is uneven - that's why the pans burn in specific places, and why the coatings come off unevenly even if you are careful with stirring implements. Stainless steel looks pretty and "clean" but it is as useless for conducting heat as it is for sharp knife blades. The only pans that conduct heat evenly are aluminium (really should be hard-anodized) and copper. These can be sandwiched with each other and perhaps some iron to allow use with induction hobs. Cast iron is not too far behind, but is much better just seasoned rather than having a non-stick coating stuck on. We have some (no longer available, because too expensive) Anolon copper/hard aluminium pans and it is impossible to burn food in them. They are quite amazing in that respect, and after 5 years you scarcely need do more than rinse them clean. Even the outside is coated so the food doesn't stick there either. We use metal implements on them sometimes too. However they are a dark grey finish, and not shiny like a stainless steel pan. They just work much better. Theoretically ceramic coatings should be good - they can cope with very high temperatures without breaking down - but the bonding of them to metal surfaces is problematic. 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I saw what looked like a > very bright star travelling SW to NE and though I couldn?t hear any > aircraft noise I thought it was going the wrong way to be the ISS and was > probably going to land at Luton. An amazing experience for the residents if > it was the ISS. > Did I somehow miss it or was I looking an hour too soon? The skies were a > bit cloudy but clear enough and I could see a lot of it. As it was I had to > be content with a view of Jupiter, > Geoff > > On 24 Jul 2019, at 23:27, John Howell via Tech1 > wrote: > > > ........................... and so it did, heading ESE, thanks Bernie, I > confess I still look up at it in wonderment. > > Sometimes I play Sunita Williams' tour video to remind me what it's like > inside. > > There are a number of versions floating about, the best edit seems to be THIS > ONE . > > John H. > > > On 24/07/2019 19:00, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: > > Just thought you'd like to know, on this clear night, the ISS will go > right overhead at 2257 for 6 minutes > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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It was a long time since I saw it before and it was directly overhead this time and very bright. I told some other people about it and they were thrilled to see it too. I was too late for the second pass tonight but keep us posted when it's coming our way again. I do check the website occasionally but usually it's nowhere near, Thanks again, Geoff > On 25 Jul 2019, at 18:28, Bernard Newnham wrote: > > 2157 for six minutes. Sorry I wrote the wrong time in the first email. Went right overhead from west to east > >> On Thu, 25 Jul 2019, 17:45 Geoffrey Hawkes via Tech1, wrote: >> What time did it actually go over? First message said 2257 but was corrected to 2157 which is when I looked for it. I saw what looked like a very bright star travelling SW to NE and though I couldn?t hear any aircraft noise I thought it was going the wrong way to be the ISS and was probably going to land at Luton. An amazing experience for the residents if it was the ISS. >> Did I somehow miss it or was I looking an hour too soon? The skies were a bit cloudy but clear enough and I could see a lot of it. As it was I had to be content with a view of Jupiter, >> Geoff >> >>> On 24 Jul 2019, at 23:27, John Howell via Tech1 wrote: >>> >>> >>> ........................... and so it did, heading ESE, thanks Bernie, I confess I still look up at it in wonderment. >>> >>> Sometimes I play Sunita Williams' tour video to remind me what it's like inside. >>> >>> There are a number of versions floating about, the best edit seems to be THIS ONE. >>> >>> John H. >>> >>> >>> >>>> On 24/07/2019 19:00, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: >>>> Just thought you'd like to know, on this clear night, the ISS will go right overhead at 2257 for 6 minutes >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Thu Jul 25 18:29:40 2019 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2019 00:29:40 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Flies! Message-ID: Where do they come from? Yesterday, I killed about 20 with my EHT electrical fly swat, they were all the same size, green backed and dozy. Today, I went to my usual Thursday pub meet and cleared all rooms of flies, closed the curtains and closed the doors. When I came home there were nine flies on the upstairs landing window, 3 in the kitchen and 5 in my study! We have no pets, no food outside the fridge, no nasty smells, no conventional fireplaces, so I am at a loss as to where they are coming from! Thank heavens for my Israeli fly swat! Cheers, Dave From alawrance1 at me.com Fri Jul 26 02:31:48 2019 From: alawrance1 at me.com (Alasdair Lawrance) Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2019 08:31:48 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] ISS In-Reply-To: <57E97159-6011-498D-B482-DD1EF56F3F51@gmail.com> References: <381AD5BC-AD13-451A-8CED-145E73424504@gmail.com> <57E97159-6011-498D-B482-DD1EF56F3F51@gmail.com> Message-ID: Geoff et al - If you go to the NASA/ISS website, you can get an e-mail sent to you whenever the ISS is ?in your area?, as it were. You get a choice of locations within approx 50 miles, and it seems to work very well. Alasdair Lawrance Don?t blame me, I voted Remain. > On 25 Jul 2019, at 23:38, Geoff Hawkes via Tech1 wrote: > > Then I did see it, thanks. It was a long time since I saw it before and it was directly overhead this time and very bright. I told some other people about it and they were thrilled to see it too. I > was too late for the second pass tonight but keep us posted when it's coming our way again. I do check the website occasionally but usually it's nowhere near, > Thanks again, > Geoff > >> On 25 Jul 2019, at 18:28, Bernard Newnham wrote: >> >> 2157 for six minutes. Sorry I wrote the wrong time in the first email. Went right overhead from west to east >> >>> On Thu, 25 Jul 2019, 17:45 Geoffrey Hawkes via Tech1, wrote: >>> What time did it actually go over? First message said 2257 but was corrected to 2157 which is when I looked for it. I saw what looked like a very bright star travelling SW to NE and though I couldn?t hear any aircraft noise I thought it was going the wrong way to be the ISS and was probably going to land at Luton. An amazing experience for the residents if it was the ISS. >>> Did I somehow miss it or was I looking an hour too soon? The skies were a bit cloudy but clear enough and I could see a lot of it. As it was I had to be content with a view of Jupiter, >>> Geoff >>> >>>> On 24 Jul 2019, at 23:27, John Howell via Tech1 wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> ........................... and so it did, heading ESE, thanks Bernie, I confess I still look up at it in wonderment. >>>> >>>> Sometimes I play Sunita Williams' tour video to remind me what it's like inside. >>>> >>>> There are a number of versions floating about, the best edit seems to be THIS ONE. >>>> >>>> John H. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> On 24/07/2019 19:00, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: >>>>> Just thought you'd like to know, on this clear night, the ISS will go right overhead at 2257 for 6 minutes >>>>> >>>>> >>>> -- >>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graeme.wall at icloud.com Fri Jul 26 02:33:36 2019 From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall) Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2019 08:33:36 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Flies! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <59B2FEBA-45A3-4C36-AFDE-13BDA8076F7A@icloud.com> You get Jewish flies? ? Graeme Wall > On 26 Jul 2019, at 00:29, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: > > Where do they come from? Yesterday, I killed about 20 with my EHT electrical fly swat, they were all the same size, green backed and dozy. Today, I went to my usual Thursday pub meet and cleared all rooms of flies, closed the curtains and closed the doors. When I came home there were nine flies on the upstairs landing window, 3 in the kitchen and 5 in my study! We have no pets, no food outside the fridge, no nasty smells, no conventional fireplaces, so I am at a loss as to where they are coming from! Thank heavens for my Israeli fly swat! Cheers, Dave > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Fri Jul 26 05:03:24 2019 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2019 11:03:24 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Flies Message-ID: Funny boy! If they aren't Jewish to start with they are certainly Jewish when my zapper cuts bits off them! My mate ordered three zappers on the internet for ?10 and they were shipped from Israel! Two AA batteries and they give you quit a nasty sting if you accidentally touch the metal grids! Cheers, Dave From pat.heigham at amps.net Fri Jul 26 11:49:15 2019 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2019 17:49:15 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Flies! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5d3b2f0b.1c69fb81.b1ff5.83b7@mx.google.com> Do you live in the country with cattle in fields nearby? That?s a source. I understand that bluebottles can smell food from 1 kilometer away, and they get into our food waste wheelie bins and produce maggots. (Good for fishing bait!) Perhaps employ an army of spiders ? I do not object to them. One hot summer, my bedroom ceiling was covered in myriads of small blackfly. Come morning, not one. Maybe a rather fat spider lurking along the skirting. I chase them along with the vacuum cleaner, but they are pretty fast at dodging the suction! Friends moved to Cornwall, their loft was seething with flies ? the only way to dispose of them was to fumigate and wield the vacuum afterwards. As you no doubt know, flies take off backwards, so aim just behind them before smacking. Regards Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: dave.mdv via Tech1 Sent: 26 July 2019 00:30 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: [Tech1] Flies! Where do they come from? Yesterday, I killed about 20 with my EHT electrical fly swat, they were all the same size, green backed and dozy. Today, I went to my usual Thursday pub meet and cleared all rooms of flies, closed the curtains and closed the doors. When I came home there were nine flies on the upstairs landing window, 3 in the kitchen and 5 in my study! We have no pets, no food outside the fridge, no nasty smells, no conventional fireplaces, so I am at a loss as to where they are coming from! Thank heavens for my Israeli fly swat! Cheers, Dave -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bernie833 at gmail.com Fri Jul 26 12:42:53 2019 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2019 18:42:53 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Flies! In-Reply-To: <5d3b2f0b.1c69fb81.b1ff5.83b7@mx.google.com> References: <5d3b2f0b.1c69fb81.b1ff5.83b7@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Geckoes! I was once in a hotel in Agra with two of them on the ceiling. No flies there. B On Fri, 26 Jul 2019, 17:49 patheigham via Tech1, wrote: > Do you live in the country with cattle in fields nearby? That?s a source. > > I understand that bluebottles can smell food from 1 kilometer away, and > they get into our food waste wheelie bins and produce maggots. > > (Good for fishing bait!) > > Perhaps employ an army of spiders ? I do not object to them. > > One hot summer, my bedroom ceiling was covered in myriads of small > blackfly. Come morning, not one. Maybe a rather fat spider lurking along > the skirting. I chase them along with the vacuum cleaner, but they are > pretty fast at dodging the suction! > > Friends moved to Cornwall, their loft was seething with flies ? the only > way to dispose of them was to fumigate and wield the vacuum afterwards. > > As you no doubt know, flies take off backwards, so aim just behind them > before smacking. > > Regards > > Pat > > > > Sent from Mail for > Windows 10 > > > > *From: *dave.mdv via Tech1 > *Sent: *26 July 2019 00:30 > *To: *tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > *Subject: *[Tech1] Flies! > > > > Where do they come from? Yesterday, I killed about 20 with my EHT > > electrical fly swat, they were all the same size, green backed and dozy. > > Today, I went to my usual Thursday pub meet and cleared all rooms of > > flies, closed the curtains and closed the doors. When I came home there > > were nine flies on the upstairs landing window, 3 in the kitchen and 5 > > in my study! We have no pets, no food outside the fridge, no nasty > > smells, no conventional fireplaces, so I am at a loss as to where they > > are coming from! Thank heavens for my Israeli fly swat! Cheers, Dave > > > > -- > > Tech1 mailing list > > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > > > > Virus-free. > www.avast.com > > <#m_5270960517174255733_DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From waresound at msn.com Fri Jul 26 14:24:36 2019 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2019 19:24:36 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Flies! In-Reply-To: References: <5d3b2f0b.1c69fb81.b1ff5.83b7@mx.google.com>, Message-ID: Geckoes are good. Insecticides, crop spraying and fumigating are not good. We need bees, lots of bees, but we are killing them. If preserving bees means we have to suffer flies, so be it. In my garden there are bees because we have flowers, lots of flowers, and next summer I will have a hive, and maybe honey. I have ?Teach Yourself Bee Keeping?. It was printed in 1957, but I?m sure it?s still relevant. More relevant now than ever before. Cheers, Nick. Sent from my iPad On 26 Jul 2019, at 18:44, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 > wrote: Geckoes! I was once in a hotel in Agra with two of them on the ceiling. No flies there. B On Fri, 26 Jul 2019, 17:49 patheigham via Tech1, > wrote: Do you live in the country with cattle in fields nearby? That?s a source. I understand that bluebottles can smell food from 1 kilometer away, and they get into our food waste wheelie bins and produce maggots. (Good for fishing bait!) Perhaps employ an army of spiders ? I do not object to them. One hot summer, my bedroom ceiling was covered in myriads of small blackfly. Come morning, not one. Maybe a rather fat spider lurking along the skirting. I chase them along with the vacuum cleaner, but they are pretty fast at dodging the suction! Friends moved to Cornwall, their loft was seething with flies ? the only way to dispose of them was to fumigate and wield the vacuum afterwards. As you no doubt know, flies take off backwards, so aim just behind them before smacking. Regards Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: dave.mdv via Tech1 Sent: 26 July 2019 00:30 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: [Tech1] Flies! Where do they come from? Yesterday, I killed about 20 with my EHT electrical fly swat, they were all the same size, green backed and dozy. Today, I went to my usual Thursday pub meet and cleared all rooms of flies, closed the curtains and closed the doors. When I came home there were nine flies on the upstairs landing window, 3 in the kitchen and 5 in my study! We have no pets, no food outside the fridge, no nasty smells, no conventional fireplaces, so I am at a loss as to where they are coming from! Thank heavens for my Israeli fly swat! Cheers, Dave -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk [https://ipmcdn.avast.com/images/icons/icon-envelope-tick-round-orange-animated-no-repeat-v1.gif] Virus-free. www.avast.com -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mikej at bmanor.co.uk Fri Jul 26 15:49:51 2019 From: mikej at bmanor.co.uk (Mike Jordan) Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2019 21:49:51 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] BBC trials technology that turns down background noise and boosts voices Message-ID: <1979AB3E38EB4B18BC98E503B76EE85A@Gigabyte> Sorry about the source of this item but it is quite interesting!? https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-7289139/BBC-trials-technology-make-dialogue-easier-follow.html The BBC forum has this post from one JohnW:- A 'solution' to background music being too loud? Today at 11:44am I've just come across this 'snippet' (from TVBEurope!) and felt that given the amount of criticism that is often directed at the sound balance of various programmes it might be of interest to the assembled multitude. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The BBC is testing a new technology that allows hearing impaired viewers to change the levels of the audio on a programme. The technology is available via the BBC?s Taster website where drama 'Casualty' is available for viewers to set their own levels in the audio mix. Viewers can use a slider (button) in addition to the volume control which can be moved to reduce any background noise - including music - thus making the dialogue crisper. According to Lauren Ward, project lead on the A&E Audio Project Team, work on the special episode of Casualty began in post production, during the audio mix, when each sound, or group of sounds, was given an importance level (stored in metadata) by the dubbing mixer or producer. The slider - or Narrative Balancer as the BBC is calling it - is then added to the online media player. ?At one end of the slider all the objects are the same level as the original broadcast mix. At the other end is a simplified mix with louder speech and only the most important sounds to the narrative. The viewer is then able to adjust between these two mixes to find the balance of dialogue and other sounds that they prefer,? Ward told the BBC Taster website. Behind the scenes, the player is looking at where the viewer sets the slider and for every group of sounds, either turns their volume up or down based on its importance. and the BBC ?taster? page is here:- https://www.bbc.co.uk/taster/pilots/casualty-ae-audio for only another 4 days! Mike -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bernie833 at gmail.com Fri Jul 26 17:22:04 2019 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2019 23:22:04 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Flies! In-Reply-To: References: <5d3b2f0b.1c69fb81.b1ff5.83b7@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <708706e4-1c4f-8e82-8ff8-59fd21389a12@gmail.com> We've had bees for ten years now. Best to join the local beekeeping association and do their course, generally in January. Then when swarm time comes in April you'll probably be able to get a free swarm, rather than paying ?150 or more. B On 26/07/2019 20:24, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: > Geckoes are good. Insecticides, crop spraying and fumigating are not > good. We need bees, lots of bees, but we are killing them. If > preserving bees means we have to suffer flies, so be it. > In my garden there are bees because we have flowers, lots of flowers, > and next summer I will have a hive, and maybe honey. I have ?Teach > Yourself Bee Keeping?. It was printed in 1957, but I?m sure it?s still > relevant. More relevant now than ever before. > Cheers, > Nick. > > Sent from my iPad > > On 26 Jul 2019, at 18:44, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 > > wrote: > >> Geckoes! I was once in a hotel in Agra with two of them on the >> ceiling. No flies there. >> >> B >> >> On Fri, 26 Jul 2019, 17:49 patheigham via Tech1, >> > wrote: >> >> Do you live in the country with cattle in fields nearby? That?s a >> source. >> >> I understand that bluebottles can smell food from 1 kilometer >> away, and they get into our food waste wheelie bins and produce >> maggots. >> >> (Good for fishing bait!) >> >> Perhaps employ an army of spiders ? I do not object to them. >> >> One hot summer, my bedroom ceiling was covered in myriads of >> small blackfly. Come morning, not one. Maybe a rather fat spider >> lurking along the skirting. I chase them along with the vacuum >> cleaner, but they are pretty fast at dodging the suction! >> >> Friends moved to Cornwall, their loft was seething with flies ? >> the only way to dispose of them was to fumigate and wield the >> vacuum afterwards. >> >> As you no doubt know, flies take off backwards, so aim just >> behind them before smacking. >> >> Regards >> >> Pat >> >> Sent from Mail >> for Windows 10 >> >> *From: *dave.mdv via Tech1 >> *Sent: *26 July 2019 00:30 >> *To: *tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> *Subject: *[Tech1] Flies! >> >> Where do they come from? Yesterday, I killed about 20 with my EHT >> >> electrical fly swat, they were all the same size, green backed >> and dozy. >> >> Today, I went to my usual Thursday pub meet and cleared all rooms of >> >> flies, closed the curtains and closed the doors. When I came home >> there >> >> were nine flies on the upstairs landing window, 3 in the kitchen >> and 5 >> >> in my study! We have no pets, no food outside the fridge, no nasty >> >> smells, no conventional fireplaces, so I am at a loss as to where >> they >> >> are coming from! Thank heavens for my Israeli fly swat! Cheers, Dave >> >> -- >> >> Tech1 mailing list >> >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> >> >> >> Virus-free. www.avast.com >> >> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mibridge at mac.com Fri Jul 26 17:23:33 2019 From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles) Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2019 23:23:33 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] BBC trials technology that turns down background noise and boosts voices In-Reply-To: <1979AB3E38EB4B18BC98E503B76EE85A@Gigabyte> References: <1979AB3E38EB4B18BC98E503B76EE85A@Gigabyte> Message-ID: What a load of unadulterated rubbish ~ Casualty, that is! But the same applies to this project as presented here ~ I found odd words difficult to catch, but rewinding to use the alternative mix didn?t make the diction any clearer, not that there was much that didn?t register first time. Far better to have done a re-mix on one of the problem sections of Jamaica Inn or Happy Valley, where the problem has already been identified. I doubt that missing the odd word in this episode would have much effect on one?s understanding of the plot anyway, but then I?m a biased middle-class grump. It all still comes down to proper production values allowing the sound guys to have decent material to work with ~ same as computers ~ garbage in, garbage out, with our without music and FX! We?ve just been watching an old Lewis and every word was crystal clear, but there was no lack of atmosphere ~ nobody was trying anything clever, just getting on with tried and tested techniques, I would think. I must say this evening?s rain sounds very pleasant ~ much better than listening to a lot of what?s on TV ~ I may take all my clothes off and run around on the back lawn, or I may not, almost certainly the latter. Mike G > On 26 Jul 2019, at 21:49, Mike Jordan via Tech1 wrote: > > Sorry about the source of this item but it is quite interesting!? > > https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-7289139/BBC-trials-technology-make-dialogue-easier-follow.html > > The BBC forum has this post from one JohnW:- > > <>A 'solution' to background music being too loud? > Today at 11:44am > I've just come across this 'snippet' (from TVBEurope!) and felt that given the amount of criticism that is often directed at the sound balance of various programmes it might be of interest to the assembled multitude. > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > The BBC is testing a new technology that allows hearing impaired viewers to change the levels of the audio on a programme. > > The technology is available via the BBC?s Taster website where drama 'Casualty' is available for viewers to set their own levels in the audio mix. > > Viewers can use a slider (button) in addition to the volume control which can be moved to reduce any background noise - including music - thus making the dialogue crisper. > > According to Lauren Ward, project lead on the A&E Audio Project Team, work on the special episode of Casualty began in post production, during the audio mix, when each sound, or group of sounds, was given an importance level (stored in metadata) by the dubbing mixer or producer. > > The slider - or Narrative Balancer as the BBC is calling it - is then added to the online media player. ?At one end of the slider all the objects are the same level as the original broadcast mix. At the other end is a simplified mix with louder speech and only the most important sounds to the narrative. The viewer is then able to adjust between these two mixes to find the balance of dialogue and other sounds that they prefer,? Ward told the BBC Taster website. > > Behind the scenes, the player is looking at where the viewer sets the slider and for every group of sounds, either turns their volume up or down based on its importance. > > and the BBC ?taster? page is here:- https://www.bbc.co.uk/taster/pilots/casualty-ae-audio for only another 4 days! > > > Mike > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave at davesound.co.uk Sat Jul 27 08:25:03 2019 From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman) Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2019 14:25:03 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Late night prom. Message-ID: <57da28ee82dave@davesound.co.uk> Watched Public Service Broadcasting with the Multi-Story Orchestra and London Contemporary Voices do a special arrangement of The Race for Space on BBC4 yesterday. And was spellbound by it. Not least the scale of it, sound wise. Just about every single instrument and voice was individually miced. Not surprising given the drum kit going full blast and little in the ways of screening. Which made me wonder if this was the largest number of mics ever used on the Albert Hall stage. And most had in ear monitors too. Not saying the balance was perfection at all times - but pretty damn good considering the size of the thing. So respect to those responsible. Neighbours are on holiday, so got the chance to listen at a true concert level. Well worth checking it out on iplayer if a rock/classical mix is your thang. -- *If at first you don't succeed, redefine success. Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From pat.heigham at amps.net Sat Jul 27 10:09:56 2019 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2019 16:09:56 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] BBC trials technology that turns down background noiseand boosts voices In-Reply-To: References: <1979AB3E38EB4B18BC98E503B76EE85A@Gigabyte> Message-ID: <5d3c6944.1c69fb81.e0a41.c714@mx.google.com> I really do agree with Mike Giles: As I belong to The Association of Motion Picture Sound (AMPS), Their members being highly experienced practitioners in recording and post producing the audio ? many of whom not only work in feature cinema films but also the high-end TV drama productions, we are also worried that our comments are being ignored at the shooting stage. It has been said, many times, when unintelligible dialogue is brought to the notice of the director, it is passed, because ? he/she has headphones and the script in front! Maybe Lewis was filmed before the idea of multiple cameras, which then buggered the use of conventional booms (1 camera wide, 1 or more on CU?s), thus forcing the use of personal mics, which on a costume/period drama gives rise to problems with the costumes/and muffling. Old cinema films ? crystal clear dialogue, may well have been recorded as is on set, but also probably been post synced. That is a process that is very expensive for a TV series, and dependant on the artistes being available when needed ? difficult when they are on to their next project. A re-recording mixer I knew about, was going for take after take on an ADR session. Eventually the director asked him why. He replied: ?If I can?t understand him, then neither will the f*****g audience!? Perhaps that should be the approach for today?s production mixers? Best Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Mike Giles via Tech1 Sent: 26 July 2019 23:23 To: Mike Jordan Cc: Tech Ops Subject: Re: [Tech1] BBC trials technology that turns down background noiseand boosts voices Far better to have done a re-mix on one of the problem sections of Jamaica Inn or Happy Valley, where the problem has already been identified It all still comes down to proper production values allowing the sound guys to have decent material to work with ~ same as computers ~ garbage in, garbage out, without music and FX! We?ve just been watching an old Lewis and every word was crystal clear, but there was no lack of atmosphere ~ nobody was trying anything clever, just getting on with tried and tested techniques, I would think. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mibridge at mac.com Sat Jul 27 11:30:00 2019 From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles) Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2019 17:30:00 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Scam? Message-ID: <7C3D284D-D263-43EC-933C-DBB7C4A5C70C@mac.com> Beware of a very convincing scam e-mail telling you that your direct debit to renew your TV Licence can?t be implemented and inviting you to pay ?154.50. It has the right colour scheme and a plausible but wrong reference number, though it comes from a spurious address and has the wrong renewal date. Mike G From pat.heigham at amps.net Sat Jul 27 11:57:44 2019 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2019 17:57:44 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Scam? In-Reply-To: <7C3D284D-D263-43EC-933C-DBB7C4A5C70C@mac.com> References: <7C3D284D-D263-43EC-933C-DBB7C4A5C70C@mac.com> Message-ID: <5d3c8288.1c69fb81.88e8f.16de@mx.google.com> Thanks, Mike ? I?ll wait for the postal request. Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Mike Giles via Tech1 Sent: 27 July 2019 17:30 To: Tech Ops Subject: [Tech1] Scam? Beware of a very convincing scam e-mail telling you that your direct debit to renew your TV Licence can?t be implemented and inviting you to pay ?154.50. It has the right colour scheme and a plausible but wrong reference number, though it comes from a spurious address and has the wrong renewal date. Mike G -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com Sat Jul 27 12:01:15 2019 From: geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com (Geoffrey Hawkes) Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2019 18:01:15 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Scam? In-Reply-To: <7C3D284D-D263-43EC-933C-DBB7C4A5C70C@mac.com> References: <7C3D284D-D263-43EC-933C-DBB7C4A5C70C@mac.com> Message-ID: <61598869-D301-443B-B8F4-6255C680AF07@gmail.com> Thanks for warning us about that, Mike. These scammers are clever impersonators and it?s easy to get caught in an unguarded moment, Geoff > On 27 Jul 2019, at 17:30, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: > > Beware of a very convincing scam e-mail telling you that your direct debit to renew your TV Licence can?t be implemented and inviting you to pay ?154.50. It has the right colour scheme and a plausible but wrong reference number, though it comes from a spurious address and has the wrong renewal date. > > Mike G > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com Sat Jul 27 12:09:48 2019 From: geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com (Geoff Hawkes) Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2019 18:09:48 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Scam? In-Reply-To: <7C3D284D-D263-43EC-933C-DBB7C4A5C70C@mac.com> References: <7C3D284D-D263-43EC-933C-DBB7C4A5C70C@mac.com> Message-ID: <554F94C6-B176-44D0-91E9-85841F02E8C3@gmail.com> I reach the age of 75 next month anyway, so should get one free renewal in before the concession is scrapped, Geoff Sent from my iPad > On 27 Jul 2019, at 17:30, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: > > Beware of a very convincing scam e-mail telling you that your direct debit to renew your TV Licence can?t be implemented and inviting you to pay ?154.50. It has the right colour scheme and a plausible but wrong reference number, though it comes from a spurious address and has the wrong renewal date. > > Mike G > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From relong at btinternet.com Sat Jul 27 12:58:18 2019 From: relong at btinternet.com (Roger E Long) Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2019 18:58:18 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] BBC trials technology that turns down background noise and boosts voices In-Reply-To: <1979AB3E38EB4B18BC98E503B76EE85A@Gigabyte> References: <1979AB3E38EB4B18BC98E503B76EE85A@Gigabyte> Message-ID: <703EEB4E-0B10-4F28-9B0A-DA4982F51325@btinternet.com> Preposterous idea Why not get it right in the bleeding dub ? The trailer is embarrassing , the programme duff as ever The image is all wrong, not centred dialog and stereo fx and I could not control the level on the player LH slider The dialog is out of sync Dialog and music and fx can be separated by the slider, but it renders a lop sided version Why not let the dubbing mixer decide, he has the most experience , not the production. Bewildering attitude to drama presentation Common sense unknown now in the Corp Roger > On 26 Jul 2019, at 21:49, Mike Jordan via Tech1 wrote: > > Sorry about the source of this item but it is quite interesting!? > > https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-7289139/BBC-trials-technology-make-dialogue-easier-follow.html > > The BBC forum has this post from one JohnW:- > > <>A 'solution' to background music being too loud? > Today at 11:44am > I've just come across this 'snippet' (from TVBEurope!) and felt that given the amount of criticism that is often directed at the sound balance of various programmes it might be of interest to the assembled multitude. > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > The BBC is testing a new technology that allows hearing impaired viewers to change the levels of the audio on a programme. > > The technology is available via the BBC?s Taster website where drama 'Casualty' is available for viewers to set their own levels in the audio mix. > > Viewers can use a slider (button) in addition to the volume control which can be moved to reduce any background noise - including music - thus making the dialogue crisper. > > According to Lauren Ward, project lead on the A&E Audio Project Team, work on the special episode of Casualty began in post production, during the audio mix, when each sound, or group of sounds, was given an importance level (stored in metadata) by the dubbing mixer or producer. > > The slider - or Narrative Balancer as the BBC is calling it - is then added to the online media player. ?At one end of the slider all the objects are the same level as the original broadcast mix. At the other end is a simplified mix with louder speech and only the most important sounds to the narrative. The viewer is then able to adjust between these two mixes to find the balance of dialogue and other sounds that they prefer,? Ward told the BBC Taster website. > > Behind the scenes, the player is looking at where the viewer sets the slider and for every group of sounds, either turns their volume up or down based on its importance. > > and the BBC ?taster? page is here:- https://www.bbc.co.uk/taster/pilots/casualty-ae-audio for only another 4 days! > > > Mike > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alan_machin at hotmail.com Sun Jul 28 04:15:53 2019 From: alan_machin at hotmail.com (alan machin) Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2019 09:15:53 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Scam? In-Reply-To: <554F94C6-B176-44D0-91E9-85841F02E8C3@gmail.com> References: <7C3D284D-D263-43EC-933C-DBB7C4A5C70C@mac.com>, <554F94C6-B176-44D0-91E9-85841F02E8C3@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Geoff, It is easiest to apply for your free TV licence while you are 74 and before your last renewal, because then you only pay up to your 75th birthday. However if your current licence expires after your birthday you will be refunded the appropriate proportion of the fee and the new free licence will be issued. Of course it will only be valid until 31 May when the rules change, unless you are on Pension Credit. As Mike says, beware of the scammers. My wife has had several requests for payment since she qualified for the free licence. Below is the the link to the official site which tells you all you need to know: https://www.tvlicensing.co.uk/check-if-you-need-one/for-your-home/aged-74-and-over-aud3 Over 75 TV Licence - TV Licensing Applying for an over 75 TV Licence at 74. It will make things simpler if you apply for an over 75 TV Licence after your 74th birthday. As a 74-year old, you can get a short-term TV Licence to cover you until your 75th birthday. www.tvlicensing.co.uk Alan. ________________________________ From: Tech1 on behalf of Geoff Hawkes via Tech1 Sent: 27 July 2019 18:09 To: Mike Giles ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Scam? I reach the age of 75 next month anyway, so should get one free renewal in before the concession is scrapped, Geoff Sent from my iPad > On 27 Jul 2019, at 17:30, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: > > Beware of a very convincing scam e-mail telling you that your direct debit to renew your TV Licence can?t be implemented and inviting you to pay ?154.50. It has the right colour scheme and a plausible but wrong reference number, though it comes from a spurious address and has the wrong renewal date. > > Mike G > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mibridge at mac.com Sun Jul 28 04:17:05 2019 From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles) Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2019 10:17:05 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Late night prom. In-Reply-To: <2A9CBD27-E24F-4A24-9189-99F327729E99@gmail.com> References: <57da28ee82dave@davesound.co.uk> <862FFC7F-83DA-4639-9A41-55B6DD3ADF06@gmail.com> <46C82D25-0D88-4777-8C1F-AE18B682FD4C@mac.com> <2A9CBD27-E24F-4A24-9189-99F327729E99@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5E287205-5277-4C08-BCA7-05EF37BE0FE2@mac.com> Proms sound is once again being covered by The Sound Alliance - Andy Payne and my son-in-law, Matthew Charles, using the former BBC TV OBs sound vehicle, which they bought from SIS. This wasn?t the largest number of mics ever on stage at The Albert Hall - that was for the Metropole Orkest Quincy Jones Prom, which they did two years ago. That had over 180 mics on stage. This one was only around 120. Only! Mike G > >> From: Dave Plowman via Tech1 >> Date: 27 July 2019 at 14:25:03 BST >> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> Subject: [Tech1] Late night prom. >> Reply-To: Dave Plowman >> >> Watched Public Service Broadcasting with the Multi-Story Orchestra and >> London Contemporary Voices do a special arrangement of The Race for Space >> on BBC4 yesterday. And was spellbound by it. >> >> Not least the scale of it, sound wise. Just about every single instrument >> and voice was individually miced. Not surprising given the drum kit going >> full blast and little in the ways of screening. Which made me wonder if >> this was the largest number of mics ever used on the Albert Hall stage. >> And most had in ear monitors too. >> >> Not saying the balance was perfection at all times - but pretty damn good >> considering the size of the thing. So respect to those responsible. >> >> Neighbours are on holiday, so got the chance to listen at a true concert >> level. >> >> Well worth checking it out on iplayer if a rock/classical mix is your >> thang. >> >> -- >> *If at first you don't succeed, redefine success. >> >> Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 >> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gary_critcher at yahoo.com Sun Jul 28 06:58:39 2019 From: gary_critcher at yahoo.com (Gary Critcher) Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2019 11:58:39 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Tech1] new printer? References: <114546793.1952085.1564315119407.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <114546793.1952085.1564315119407@mail.yahoo.com> Lads, I'm in the market for a new printer here at home. ? These days about 85% of the stuff I print is DVD's, so I need a printer that does that, it seems they are now fewer around.Have popped into PC World today (I know, I know...) and out of the 100 or so printers they had in store, NOT ONE was able to print discs.I'm currently using an Epson Photo R285, but it's seen better days I'm afraid.That plus I have a big-ish job coming up to print a load of discs has prompted me to investigate a new one. Any recommendations? all the best,???? Gary C -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave at davesound.co.uk Sun Jul 28 07:53:27 2019 From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman) Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2019 13:53:27 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Late night prom. In-Reply-To: <5E287205-5277-4C08-BCA7-05EF37BE0FE2@mac.com> References: <57da28ee82dave@davesound.co.uk> <862FFC7F-83DA-4639-9A41-55B6DD3ADF06@gmail.com> <46C82D25-0D88-4777-8C1F-AE18B682FD4C@mac.com> <2A9CBD27-E24F-4A24-9189-99F327729E99@gmail.com> <5E287205-5277-4C08-BCA7-05EF37BE0FE2@mac.com> Message-ID: <57daa9df5cdave@davesound.co.uk> Thanks, Mike. It seems to have been recorded the day before. Was the sound balance as live - or had a degree of re-mixing in post? Either way, must say I was impressed. In article <5E287205-5277-4C08-BCA7-05EF37BE0FE2 at mac.com>, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: > Proms sound is once again being covered by The Sound Alliance - Andy Payne and my son-in-law, Matthew Charles, using the former BBC TV OBs sound vehicle, which they bought from SIS. This wasn?t the largest number of mics ever on stage at The Albert Hall - that was for the Metropole Orkest Quincy Jones Prom, which they did two years ago. That had over 180 mics on stage. This one was only around 120. Only! > Mike G > > > >> From: Dave Plowman via Tech1 > >> Date: 27 July 2019 at 14:25:03 BST > >> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > >> Subject: [Tech1] Late night prom. > >> Reply-To: Dave Plowman > >> > >> Watched Public Service Broadcasting with the Multi-Story Orchestra and > >> London Contemporary Voices do a special arrangement of The Race for Space > >> on BBC4 yesterday. And was spellbound by it. > >> > >> Not least the scale of it, sound wise. Just about every single instrument > >> and voice was individually miced. Not surprising given the drum kit going > >> full blast and little in the ways of screening. Which made me wonder if > >> this was the largest number of mics ever used on the Albert Hall stage. > >> And most had in ear monitors too. > >> > >> Not saying the balance was perfection at all times - but pretty damn good > >> considering the size of the thing. So respect to those responsible. > >> > >> Neighbours are on holiday, so got the chance to listen at a true concert > >> level. > >> > >> Well worth checking it out on iplayer if a rock/classical mix is your > >> thang. > >> > >> -- > >> *If at first you don't succeed, redefine success. > >> > >> Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Tech1 mailing list > >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- *Santa Claus has the right idea. Visit people only once a year. Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From paul at pgtmedia.co.uk Sun Jul 28 09:32:02 2019 From: paul at pgtmedia.co.uk (Paul Thackray) Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2019 15:32:02 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] new printer? In-Reply-To: <114546793.1952085.1564315119407@mail.yahoo.com> References: <114546793.1952085.1564315119407.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <114546793.1952085.1564315119407@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Gary, Not sure anyone sells these now. I suspect you will need to go down the Printing CD Label and a jig to apply them route. Printing using a Laser Printer and layout software. I think as the Epson was extremely expensive on consumables this may be a more cost effective solution anyway. Amazon has packs of CD/DVD labels as cheep as ?3.42 for 50 & a tool to apply at around ?6 with a few more labels. Morgan Computers (https://www.morgancomputers.co.uk/) offer some 'cheep' laser printers. (You usually have to buy a few sets of toners and the printer is 'free') I have had a couple of these over the years , without issue and covered by the manufactures warranty. Which models are available varies with time. Hope this helps Paul On 28/07/2019 12:58, Gary Critcher via Tech1 wrote: > Lads, I'm in the market for a new printer here at home. > > ? These days about 85% of the stuff I print is DVD's, so I need a > printer that does that, it seems they are now fewer around. > Have popped into PC World today (I know, I know...) and out of the 100 > or so printers they had in store, NOT ONE was able to print discs. > I'm currently using an Epson Photo R285, but it's seen better days I'm > afraid. > That plus I have a big-ish job coming up to print a load of discs has > prompted me to investigate a new one. > > Any recommendations? > > > all the best, > ???? Gary C > -- Paul Thackray PGT Media Consulting Ltd. +44 7802 243979 Mail; paul at pgtmedia.co.uk Web; http://www.pgtmedia.co.uk Linkedin; http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/paul-thackray/19/379/746 IMDB; http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1488554/ --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From waresound at msn.com Sun Jul 28 12:36:52 2019 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2019 17:36:52 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] new printer? In-Reply-To: References: <114546793.1952085.1564315119407.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <114546793.1952085.1564315119407@mail.yahoo.com>, Message-ID: I?ve used a Canon Pixma MG7150 multifunction printer for the last few years. It has a CD tray for direct printing onto inkjet white blank disks. They have several newer models now, of which the Pixma TS8150 has a direct Disc Print tray. I haven?t looked at the others. Mine came with ?CD Label Print? which lets you very easily design the disc and insert cards. If that?s not included with current printers I can let you have a copy. Another good CD label program is ?AMF CD and DVD Label Makerl. Either of those can produce artwork to send to a CD replicator, or cut by hand with a steel ruler and razor blade if it?s a one-off. Check on the Canon website. The Pixmas are among the best for colour photo printing too. Cheers, Nick. Sent from my iPad On 28 Jul 2019, at 15:32, Paul Thackray via Tech1 > wrote: Hi Gary, Not sure anyone sells these now. I suspect you will need to go down the Printing CD Label and a jig to apply them route. Printing using a Laser Printer and layout software. I think as the Epson was extremely expensive on consumables this may be a more cost effective solution anyway. Amazon has packs of CD/DVD labels as cheep as ?3.42 for 50 & a tool to apply at around ?6 with a few more labels. Morgan Computers (https://www.morgancomputers.co.uk/) offer some 'cheep' laser printers. (You usually have to buy a few sets of toners and the printer is 'free') I have had a couple of these over the years , without issue and covered by the manufactures warranty. Which models are available varies with time. Hope this helps Paul On 28/07/2019 12:58, Gary Critcher via Tech1 wrote: Lads, I'm in the market for a new printer here at home. These days about 85% of the stuff I print is DVD's, so I need a printer that does that, it seems they are now fewer around. Have popped into PC World today (I know, I know...) and out of the 100 or so printers they had in store, NOT ONE was able to print discs. I'm currently using an Epson Photo R285, but it's seen better days I'm afraid. That plus I have a big-ish job coming up to print a load of discs has prompted me to investigate a new one. Any recommendations? all the best, Gary C -- Paul Thackray PGT Media Consulting Ltd. +44 7802 243979 Mail; paul at pgtmedia.co.uk Web; http://www.pgtmedia.co.uk Linkedin; http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/paul-thackray/19/379/746 IMDB; http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1488554/ [https://ipmcdn.avast.com/images/icons/icon-envelope-tick-round-orange-animated-no-repeat-v1.gif] Virus-free. www.avast.com -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Cheers, Dave From mibridge at mac.com Mon Jul 29 01:35:52 2019 From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles) Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2019 07:35:52 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Late night prom. In-Reply-To: <57daa9df5cdave@davesound.co.uk> References: <57da28ee82dave@davesound.co.uk> <862FFC7F-83DA-4639-9A41-55B6DD3ADF06@gmail.com> <46C82D25-0D88-4777-8C1F-AE18B682FD4C@mac.com> <2A9CBD27-E24F-4A24-9189-99F327729E99@gmail.com> <5E287205-5277-4C08-BCA7-05EF37BE0FE2@mac.com> <57daa9df5cdave@davesound.co.uk> Message-ID: <8B82D545-9D64-4AC0-849E-28445E646D12@mac.com> I have it from the horse?s mouth that apart from minor picture edits there was no post-production, because as you say, it was recorded the evening before and time didn?t allow for any remixing. Good to know it can still be done. Mike G > On 28 Jul 2019, at 13:53, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: > > Thanks, Mike. It seems to have been recorded the day before. Was the sound > balance as live - or had a degree of re-mixing in post? Either way, must > say I was impressed. > > > In article <5E287205-5277-4C08-BCA7-05EF37BE0FE2 at mac.com>, > Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: >> Proms sound is once again being covered by The Sound Alliance - Andy Payne and my son-in-law, Matthew Charles, using the former BBC TV OBs sound vehicle, which they bought from SIS. This wasn?t the largest number of mics ever on stage at The Albert Hall - that was for the Metropole Orkest Quincy Jones Prom, which they did two years ago. That had over 180 mics on stage. This one was only around 120. Only! > >> Mike G >>> >>>> From: Dave Plowman via Tech1 >>>> Date: 27 July 2019 at 14:25:03 BST >>>> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>> Subject: [Tech1] Late night prom. >>>> Reply-To: Dave Plowman >>>> >>>> Watched Public Service Broadcasting with the Multi-Story Orchestra and >>>> London Contemporary Voices do a special arrangement of The Race for Space >>>> on BBC4 yesterday. And was spellbound by it. >>>> >>>> Not least the scale of it, sound wise. Just about every single instrument >>>> and voice was individually miced. Not surprising given the drum kit going >>>> full blast and little in the ways of screening. Which made me wonder if >>>> this was the largest number of mics ever used on the Albert Hall stage. >>>> And most had in ear monitors too. >>>> >>>> Not saying the balance was perfection at all times - but pretty damn good >>>> considering the size of the thing. So respect to those responsible. >>>> >>>> Neighbours are on holiday, so got the chance to listen at a true concert >>>> level. >>>> >>>> Well worth checking it out on iplayer if a rock/classical mix is your >>>> thang. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> *If at first you don't succeed, redefine success. >>>> >>>> Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- > *Santa Claus has the right idea. Visit people only once a year. > > Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From alan_machin at hotmail.com Mon Jul 29 05:31:17 2019 From: alan_machin at hotmail.com (alan machin) Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2019 10:31:17 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Scam? In-Reply-To: <92DE752F-8C91-4574-8861-F2604190A254@btinternet.com> References: <7C3D284D-D263-43EC-933C-DBB7C4A5C70C@mac.com> <554F94C6-B176-44D0-91E9-85841F02E8C3@gmail.com> , <92DE752F-8C91-4574-8861-F2604190A254@btinternet.com> Message-ID: Hi Geoff, Our TV licence, paid by Direct Debit, used to be renewed on 1st November each year and my wife reached her 75th birthday (before me) on 19th August last year, so your experience of the free TV licence should almost exactly match ours one year earlier. We didn't realise that you could apply for the free licence in advance of the 75th birthday, so she applied after her birthday using the online link which I sent yesterday. A couple of weeks later we were refunded the proportion 19th August - 31st October of the licence we had paid for and a new free licence valid from August 2018 to 31st July 2019 was issued. Within the last few days this free licence has been automatically renewed until 31st May 2020 when the new scheme comes in and we will have to buy a new licence. So in reply to your question, when you apply you should get a refund for 12th August - 31st October and a new free licence valid from August to 31st May 2020, after which you will need to buy a new one, unless you are on Pension Credit or current BBC/Government plans change. Many Happy Returns for the 12th! Alan. ________________________________ From: Geoffrey Hawkes Sent: 28 July 2019 23:41 To: alan machin Subject: Re: [Tech1] Scam? Hi Alan, Our tv licence runs out on 31st October. I?ll be 75 on 12th August, so will I get a part refund of what I paid last year and will I be asked to pay for the part of next year between 31st May and 31st October 2020? Geoff On 28 Jul 2019, at 10:15, alan machin > wrote: Hi Geoff, It is easiest to apply for your free TV licence while you are 74 and before your last renewal, because then you only pay up to your 75th birthday. However if your current licence expires after your birthday you will be refunded the appropriate proportion of the fee and the new free licence will be issued. Of course it will only be valid until 31 May when the rules change, unless you are on Pension Credit. As Mike says, beware of the scammers. My wife has had several requests for payment since she qualified for the free licence. Below is the the link to the official site which tells you all you need to know: https://www.tvlicensing.co.uk/check-if-you-need-one/for-your-home/aged-74-and-over-aud3 Over 75 TV Licence - TV Licensing Applying for an over 75 TV Licence at 74. It will make things simpler if you apply for an over 75 TV Licence after your 74th birthday. As a 74-year old, you can get a short-term TV Licence to cover you until your 75th birthday. www.tvlicensing.co.uk Alan. ________________________________ From: Tech1 > on behalf of Geoff Hawkes via Tech1 > Sent: 27 July 2019 18:09 To: Mike Giles >; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > Subject: Re: [Tech1] Scam? I reach the age of 75 next month anyway, so should get one free renewal in before the concession is scrapped, Geoff Sent from my iPad > On 27 Jul 2019, at 17:30, Mike Giles via Tech1 > wrote: > > Beware of a very convincing scam e-mail telling you that your direct debit to renew your TV Licence can?t be implemented and inviting you to pay ?154.50. It has the right colour scheme and a plausible but wrong reference number, though it comes from a spurious address and has the wrong renewal date. > > Mike G > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Mon Jul 29 07:33:17 2019 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2019 13:33:17 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Late night prom. In-Reply-To: <8B82D545-9D64-4AC0-849E-28445E646D12@mac.com> References: <57da28ee82dave@davesound.co.uk> <862FFC7F-83DA-4639-9A41-55B6DD3ADF06@gmail.com> <46C82D25-0D88-4777-8C1F-AE18B682FD4C@mac.com> <2A9CBD27-E24F-4A24-9189-99F327729E99@gmail.com> <5E287205-5277-4C08-BCA7-05EF37BE0FE2@mac.com> <57daa9df5cdave@davesound.co.uk> <8B82D545-9D64-4AC0-849E-28445E646D12@mac.com> Message-ID: <5d3ee78c.1c69fb81.f5922.dfd2@mx.google.com> I am in admiration of Andy Payne and his team for the consistently excellent sound from RAH. Not an easy venue and many different orchestral set-ups. Do the Sound Alliance handle the coverage for R3, or is that a separate entity ? Sound Alliance perhaps only involved for the televised concerts? I?m hugely looking forward to the John Wilson evening ?The Warner Bros Story? and was delighted to note that the lead trumpet and lead woodwind he books were listed in the line-up for ?42nd Street? at the Theatre Royal, Drury Lane ? a show I saw 10 times ? so good I kept taking friends throughout 2018 as part of my 75th celebrations. Managed to get seats for the very last performance which was hugely emotional ? half the girls in the cast were in tears. It was filmed for a US streaming channel, available now, but not to the UK, due to Digital Rights Management. However it is due for cinema screening in November. (Mike ? in the Dorking Halls ? not the greatest for audio, unless something has been done to the acoustics since I last went some time ago) Best Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > In article <5E287205-5277-4C08-BCA7-05EF37BE0FE2 at mac.com>, > Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: >> Proms sound is once again being covered by The Sound Alliance - Andy Payne and my son-in-law, Matthew Charles, using the former BBC TV OBs sound vehicle, which they bought from SIS --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Mon Jul 29 09:23:04 2019 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2019 15:23:04 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] [Announce] Riverside reopening & Dr Who In-Reply-To: <57db31cb0cdave@davesound.co.uk> References: <1AE4F817-7A3C-4001-80C0-37343D2CB406@me.com> <57daaa4b47dave@davesound.co.uk> <34DED407D9A64C87A6C7EB4DA8358D7E@AdminPC> <57db31cb0cdave@davesound.co.uk> Message-ID: <5d3f0147.1c69fb81.14163.2aa4@mx.google.com> I was involved with Dr. Who on Grams for some years. Not from the beginning, but from series D ?Marco Polo? But I chiefly remember the Dalek episodes I worked on. David Brunt produced a meticulous Production Guide ? a real labour of love, if you speak nicely to him, he might e-mail you a copy .pdf. Later, under the watchful eye of the recently late Gordon Mackie, I mixed a few Who?s in Riverside, although its usual home was LG ?D?. Attached is a publicity shot ? Bish was the SS, and I must have been the Gram op, as Verity is holding my clearly marked script! I?m in the middle ? the handsome one! Also attached, a spiel about working on ?Who? & a shot of the ?extras? recording. Best Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Dave Plowman via Announce Sent: 29 July 2019 14:38 To: announce at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Announce] Riverside reopening How very odd, Perhaps my memory is playing tricks. I was on Crew 13 at the time - still the training crew then. Perhaps it was simply an early episode. But the bit about the crew (or rather those who went to the pub) voting it a miss I'm certain is true. 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Mike -----Original Message----- From: Mike Jordan Sent: Monday, July 29, 2019 4:20 PM To: Dave Plowman ; announce at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Announce] Riverside reopening My first memories (as a non-tech ops person) was going down from BH Lines department in summer 1967 with a rack of equalisers and amps (GPA 4As of course) to equalise the GPO lines from the remote sites for the Boat Race when Riverside was the main site. Vans parked down that alley to the east side of the studios. Then I was there several times over the years for the race when it was a camera site and boat receive site. Finally, just after I had left the BBC, I was contracted back to be the EM for the BBC OB units covering TFI Friday and I was there most Fridays for about two and a half years latterly as the Ginger TV Unit Manager Scott Turnbull had been in an accident. That went on for me to be Unit Manager for The Priory at a studio (well shed actually) near Knigs Cross I went in a couple of times after Planet TV from Bow (who were the original studio for Breakfast TV) had stripped out that site and moved everything to Riv, making proper gallery in what was Chris studio and actually installing permanent VT as opposed to our BBC de-rig in a little room off the side passageway where I had organised an installation. (not posting the ones of Jamie Theakston in dr*g. I still have some bits from Riv including cue light boxes and his handheld mic ident! Ah memories (including the cafe across the road and The Chancellors) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: TFI Friday microphone_s.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 44501 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I?ve no idea what?s right or wrong, just looks weird to me without them!) I recall once walking there in a group which included Dave Hughes. We were overtaken by two young ladies with irresistible derri?res that significantly lifted his spirits, prompting him to observe ?I always thought I was a tit man?. I could see what he meant! Dave Newbitt. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I think it was the Blue Anchor and to stroll there from R1/R2 for lunchtime on a summer?s day sticks in my memory as an example of how pleasant life at the Beeb could be in the 60?s and 70?s . (Please don?t rail at me re the apostrophes ? I?ve no idea what?s right or wrong, just looks weird to me without them!) > > I recall once walking there in a group which included Dave Hughes. We were overtaken by two young ladies with irresistible derri?res that significantly lifted his spirits, prompting him to observe ?I always thought I was a tit man?. I could see what he meant! > > Dave Newbitt. > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From mikej at bmanor.co.uk Mon Jul 29 14:08:28 2019 From: mikej at bmanor.co.uk (Mike Jordan) Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2019 20:08:28 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Fw: Riverside reopening In-Reply-To: <51BF0E6A83C64ED8AA66086AF2125281@Gigabyte> References: <51BF0E6A83C64ED8AA66086AF2125281@Gigabyte> Message-ID: And wasn't Riverside a really nice tidy area? or not? Mike -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Boat Race 1987 Riverside.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 650691 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Boat Race 19zz Riverside Studios 3.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 1875700 bytes Desc: not available URL: From david.beer at talktalk.net Mon Jul 29 14:22:57 2019 From: david.beer at talktalk.net (David Beer) Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2019 20:22:57 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Riverside Studios In-Reply-To: <362DBC38-1342-4392-AEC5-DA62382C4222@icloud.com> References: <2f758514-1e10-212f-aeea-6684cfbc6b4c@gmail.com> <9810DCA87863447A9692E62362B9C0F3@Gigabyte> <77F9DCE0-E5BE-4DB1-87EE-F4018D41A269@icloud.com> <1095426781.5229400.1563537965283@mail.yahoo.com> <1563552390.4k59ka690k0cs8gc@webmail.uwclub.net> <5d34c1f4.1c69fb81.73dc2.3fb1@mx.google.com> <362DBC38-1342-4392-AEC5-DA62382C4222@icloud.com> Message-ID: I have fond memories of my first day at the Beeb following the months of induction at Evesham, (TO 25). I was tracking the Heron on Jackanory auditions at Riverside and when lunch came, the crew, (I can't remember which now), announced that we would head along river to the Blue Anchor for some liquid refreshment. I couldn't help thinking this TV business can't be too bad! Dave Beer On 29/07/2019 19:38, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote: > The Blue Anchor is the one I remember going to and occasionally the Dove, a bit further west. Don?t remember going to the Chancellors at all, maybe that wasn?t a Crew 3 pub. > ? > Graeme Wall > > >> On 29 Jul 2019, at 19:18, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: >> >> There have been many fond memories posted about the Chancellors and I wonder if there are any similar sentiments regarding the pub along the riverbank just West of Hammersmith Bridge? I think it was the Blue Anchor and to stroll there from R1/R2 for lunchtime on a summer?s day sticks in my memory as an example of how pleasant life at the Beeb could be in the 60?s and 70?s . (Please don?t rail at me re the apostrophes ? I?ve no idea what?s right or wrong, just looks weird to me without them!) >> >> I recall once walking there in a group which included Dave Hughes. We were overtaken by two young ladies with irresistible derri?res that significantly lifted his spirits, prompting him to observe ?I always thought I was a tit man?. I could see what he meant! >> >> Dave Newbitt. >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Mon Jul 29 14:27:32 2019 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2019 20:27:32 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] The Blue Anchor In-Reply-To: References: <2f758514-1e10-212f-aeea-6684cfbc6b4c@gmail.com> <9810DCA87863447A9692E62362B9C0F3@Gigabyte> <77F9DCE0-E5BE-4DB1-87EE-F4018D41A269@icloud.com> <1095426781.5229400.1563537965283@mail.yahoo.com> <1563552390.4k59ka690k0cs8gc@webmail.uwclub.net> <5d34c1f4.1c69fb81.73dc2.3fb1@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <931b20fc-00ce-c54f-233d-fce45cba793b@btinternet.com> The Blue Anchor became crew pub during the 'TFI Friday' years as R3 was pretty much full of 'runners', audience, and locals. The landlady at the Anchor was a singer with 'big bands' doing Glen Miller stuff etc. The pub and landlord actually featured in the movie 'Sliding Doors'. Cheers, Dave From vernon.dyer at btinternet.com Mon Jul 29 15:25:49 2019 From: vernon.dyer at btinternet.com (vernon.dyer) Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2019 21:25:49 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Riverside Studios Message-ID: <7gnx8bfpfn90ytbswxfss3rm.1564431949939@email.android.com> I remember going for lunch along the river walk, past the Blue Anchor -- I seem to recall it was called the Rutland, but as we all know, it was a very long time ago.?Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.-------- Original message --------From: Graeme Wall via Tech1 Date: 29/07/2019 19:38 (GMT+00:00) To: David Newbitt Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Riverside Studios The Blue Anchor is the one I remember going to and occasionally the Dove, a bit further west. Don?t remember going to the Chancellors at all, maybe that wasn?t a Crew 3 pub.? Graeme Wall> On 29 Jul 2019, at 19:18, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote:> > There have been many fond memories posted about the Chancellors and I wonder if there are any similar sentiments regarding the pub along the riverbank just West of Hammersmith Bridge? I think it was the Blue Anchor and to stroll there from R1/R2 for lunchtime on a summer?s day sticks in my memory as an example of how pleasant life at the Beeb could be in the 60?s and 70?s . (Please don?t rail at me re the apostrophes ? I?ve no idea what?s right or wrong, just looks weird to me without them!)>? > I recall once walking there in a group which included Dave Hughes. We were overtaken by two young ladies with irresistible derri?res that significantly lifted his spirits, prompting him to observe ?I always thought I was a tit man?. I could see what he meant!>? > Dave Newbitt.?? > -- > Tech1 mailing list> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk-- Tech1 mailing listTech1 at tech-ops.co.ukhttp://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vernon.dyer at btinternet.com Mon Jul 29 15:39:25 2019 From: vernon.dyer at btinternet.com (vernon.dyer) Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2019 21:39:25 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Riverside Studios Message-ID: <9bs64g9mb10ae207wcmt2yy3.1564432765700@email.android.com> PS - pressed send, and then thought ah! Google Street view - the Blue Anchor, the Rutland Arms, and further on the Dove, all still there and still with the same names, quite a rarity for pubs these days.?Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.-------- Original message --------From: "vernon.dyer via Tech1" Date: 29/07/2019 21:25 (GMT+00:00) To: tech1 Subject: Re: [Tech1] Riverside Studios I remember going for lunch along the river walk, past the Blue Anchor -- I seem to recall it was called the Rutland, but as we all know, it was a very long time ago.?Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.-------- Original message --------From: Graeme Wall via Tech1 Date: 29/07/2019 19:38 (GMT+00:00) To: David Newbitt Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Riverside Studios The Blue Anchor is the one I remember going to and occasionally the Dove, a bit further west. Don?t remember going to the Chancellors at all, maybe that wasn?t a Crew 3 pub.? Graeme Wall> On 29 Jul 2019, at 19:18, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote:> > There have been many fond memories posted about the Chancellors and I wonder if there are any similar sentiments regarding the pub along the riverbank just West of Hammersmith Bridge? I think it was the Blue Anchor and to stroll there from R1/R2 for lunchtime on a summer?s day sticks in my memory as an example of how pleasant life at the Beeb could be in the 60?s and 70?s . (Please don?t rail at me re the apostrophes ? I?ve no idea what?s right or wrong, just looks weird to me without them!)>? > I recall once walking there in a group which included Dave Hughes. We were overtaken by two young ladies with irresistible derri?res that significantly lifted his spirits, prompting him to observe ?I always thought I was a tit man?. I could see what he meant!>? > Dave Newbitt.?? > -- > Tech1 mailing list> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk-- Tech1 mailing listTech1 at tech-ops.co.ukhttp://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From barrybonner119 at btinternet.com Mon Jul 29 15:39:45 2019 From: barrybonner119 at btinternet.com (Barry Bonner) Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2019 21:39:45 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Riverside Studios In-Reply-To: <7gnx8bfpfn90ytbswxfss3rm.1564431949939@email.android.com> References: <7gnx8bfpfn90ytbswxfss3rm.1564431949939@email.android.com> Message-ID: Yes, Vernon, it was next door to the Blue Anchor called The Rutland but aka The River Bar?.lunchtime main course in Blue Anchor, but dessert in The Rutland ?cos they did superb apple pie. The Dove, with apparently the smallest bar in England, was further along where the towpath went around it. Two and three quarters of an hour at lunchtime between doing Jackanory and Play School was not good for the liver!! Barry. On 29 Jul 2019, at 21:25, vernon.dyer via Tech1 wrote: > > I remember going for lunch along the river walk, past the Blue Anchor -- I seem to recall it was called the Rutland, but as we all know, it was a very long time ago. > > > Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. > -------- Original message -------- > From: Graeme Wall via Tech1 > Date: 29/07/2019 19:38 (GMT+00:00) > To: David Newbitt > Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > Subject: Re: [Tech1] Riverside Studios > > The Blue Anchor is the one I remember going to and occasionally the Dove, a bit further west. Don?t remember going to the Chancellors at all, maybe that wasn?t a Crew 3 pub. > ? > Graeme Wall > > > > On 29 Jul 2019, at 19:18, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: > > > > There have been many fond memories posted about the Chancellors and I wonder if there are any similar sentiments regarding the pub along the riverbank just West of Hammersmith Bridge? I think it was the Blue Anchor and to stroll there from R1/R2 for lunchtime on a summer?s day sticks in my memory as an example of how pleasant life at the Beeb could be in the 60?s and 70?s . (Please don?t rail at me re the apostrophes ? I?ve no idea what?s right or wrong, just looks weird to me without them!) > > > > I recall once walking there in a group which included Dave Hughes. We were overtaken by two young ladies with irresistible derri?res that significantly lifted his spirits, prompting him to observe ?I always thought I was a tit man?. I could see what he meant! > > > > Dave Newbitt. > > -- > > Tech1 mailing list > > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vernon.dyer at btinternet.com Mon Jul 29 15:46:36 2019 From: vernon.dyer at btinternet.com (vernon.dyer) Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2019 21:46:36 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Riverside Studios Message-ID: PPS - didn't know the Dove, never went there, but it looks a pleasant walk past the gardens. On a similar point, Barry, Blue Peter in Lime Grove coming off air at 5:20, quick derig and arrive at the Club just as it opened? .....Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.-------- Original message --------From: "vernon.dyer via Tech1" Date: 29/07/2019 21:25 (GMT+00:00) To: tech1 Subject: Re: [Tech1] Riverside Studios I remember going for lunch along the river walk, past the Blue Anchor -- I seem to recall it was called the Rutland, but as we all know, it was a very long time ago.?Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.-------- Original message --------From: Graeme Wall via Tech1 Date: 29/07/2019 19:38 (GMT+00:00) To: David Newbitt Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Riverside Studios The Blue Anchor is the one I remember going to and occasionally the Dove, a bit further west. Don?t remember going to the Chancellors at all, maybe that wasn?t a Crew 3 pub.? Graeme Wall> On 29 Jul 2019, at 19:18, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote:> > There have been many fond memories posted about the Chancellors and I wonder if there are any similar sentiments regarding the pub along the riverbank just West of Hammersmith Bridge? I think it was the Blue Anchor and to stroll there from R1/R2 for lunchtime on a summer?s day sticks in my memory as an example of how pleasant life at the Beeb could be in the 60?s and 70?s . (Please don?t rail at me re the apostrophes ? I?ve no idea what?s right or wrong, just looks weird to me without them!)>? > I recall once walking there in a group which included Dave Hughes. We were overtaken by two young ladies with irresistible derri?res that significantly lifted his spirits, prompting him to observe ?I always thought I was a tit man?. I could see what he meant!>? > Dave Newbitt.?? > -- > Tech1 mailing list> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk-- Tech1 mailing listTech1 at tech-ops.co.ukhttp://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From waresound at msn.com Mon Jul 29 16:47:13 2019 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2019 21:47:13 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Riverside Studios In-Reply-To: References: <7gnx8bfpfn90ytbswxfss3rm.1564431949939@email.android.com>, Message-ID: I used to spend those long lunch breaks nipping up to Henry?s Radio in Edgware Road to get ?bits? for whatever the latest project was. Either that or Useekia?s to get metal chassis parts guillotined and folded - or Fay?s Metals for sheet metal, or Allscrews - I could go on. Didn?t always get back on time, but at least when I did I was sober! And I have vivid memories of building a wall of TR90?s around myself in R1 to fend off V.L.?s advances! Slight change of attitude though a few years later when I found myself working freelance for her at her neatly named prod company: Cinema Verity. If you Google her you?ll find a pic of her posing by a TR90 in that very same control room. Nick. Sent from my iPad On 29 Jul 2019, at 21:40, Barry Bonner via Tech1 > wrote: Yes, Vernon, it was next door to the Blue Anchor called The Rutland but aka The River Bar?.lunchtime main course in Blue Anchor, but dessert in The Rutland ?cos they did superb apple pie. The Dove, with apparently the smallest bar in England, was further along where the towpath went around it. Two and three quarters of an hour at lunchtime between doing Jackanory and Play School was not good for the liver!! Barry. On 29 Jul 2019, at 21:25, vernon.dyer via Tech1 > wrote: I remember going for lunch along the river walk, past the Blue Anchor -- I seem to recall it was called the Rutland, but as we all know, it was a very long time ago. Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. -------- Original message -------- From: Graeme Wall via Tech1 > Date: 29/07/2019 19:38 (GMT+00:00) To: David Newbitt > Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Riverside Studios The Blue Anchor is the one I remember going to and occasionally the Dove, a bit further west. Don?t remember going to the Chancellors at all, maybe that wasn?t a Crew 3 pub. ? Graeme Wall > On 29 Jul 2019, at 19:18, David Newbitt via Tech1 > wrote: > > There have been many fond memories posted about the Chancellors and I wonder if there are any similar sentiments regarding the pub along the riverbank just West of Hammersmith Bridge? I think it was the Blue Anchor and to stroll there from R1/R2 for lunchtime on a summer?s day sticks in my memory as an example of how pleasant life at the Beeb could be in the 60?s and 70?s . (Please don?t rail at me re the apostrophes ? I?ve no idea what?s right or wrong, just looks weird to me without them!) > > I recall once walking there in a group which included Dave Hughes. We were overtaken by two young ladies with irresistible derri?res that significantly lifted his spirits, prompting him to observe ?I always thought I was a tit man?. I could see what he meant! > > Dave Newbitt. > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From geoffletch at gmail.com Tue Jul 30 06:21:53 2019 From: geoffletch at gmail.com (Geoff Fletcher) Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2019 12:21:53 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Riverside Studios In-Reply-To: References: <7gnx8bfpfn90ytbswxfss3rm.1564431949939@email.android.com> Message-ID: Going to check my diaries for Blue Anchor and Chancellor references. Lots of memories of Riverside - including when I was on my Inlay attachment struggling with the antiquated kit in the galleries! Geoff F On Mon, 29 Jul 2019 at 22:47, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: > I used to spend those long lunch breaks nipping up to Henry?s Radio in > Edgware Road to get ?bits? for whatever the latest project was. Either that > or Useekia?s to get metal chassis parts guillotined and folded - or Fay?s > Metals for sheet metal, or Allscrews - I could go on. Didn?t always get > back on time, but at least when I did I was sober! > And I have vivid memories of building a wall of TR90?s around myself in R1 > to fend off V.L.?s advances! Slight change of attitude though a few years > later when I found myself working freelance for her at her neatly named > prod company: Cinema Verity. > If you Google her you?ll find a pic of her posing by a TR90 in that very > same control room. > Nick. > Sent from my iPad > > On 29 Jul 2019, at 21:40, Barry Bonner via Tech1 > wrote: > > Yes, Vernon, it was next door to the Blue Anchor called The Rutland but > aka The River Bar?.lunchtime main course in Blue Anchor, but dessert in The > Rutland ?cos they did superb apple pie. > > The Dove, with apparently the smallest bar in England, was further along > where the towpath went around it. > > Two and three quarters of an hour at lunchtime between doing Jackanory and > Play School was not good for the liver!! > > Barry. > > > > On 29 Jul 2019, at 21:25, vernon.dyer via Tech1 > wrote: > > > I remember going for lunch along the river walk, past the Blue Anchor -- I > seem to recall it was called the Rutland, but as we all know, it was a very > long time ago. > > > Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. > -------- Original message -------- > From: Graeme Wall via Tech1 > Date: 29/07/2019 19:38 (GMT+00:00) > To: David Newbitt > Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > Subject: Re: [Tech1] Riverside Studios > > The Blue Anchor is the one I remember going to and occasionally the Dove, > a bit further west. Don?t remember going to the Chancellors at all, maybe > that wasn?t a Crew 3 pub. > ? > Graeme Wall > > > > On 29 Jul 2019, at 19:18, David Newbitt via Tech1 > wrote: > > > > There have been many fond memories posted about the Chancellors and I > wonder if there are any similar sentiments regarding the pub along the > riverbank just West of Hammersmith Bridge? I think it was the Blue Anchor > and to stroll there from R1/R2 for lunchtime on a summer?s day sticks in my > memory as an example of how pleasant life at the Beeb could be in the 60?s > and 70?s . (Please don?t rail at me re the apostrophes ? I?ve no idea > what?s right or wrong, just looks weird to me without them!) > > > > I recall once walking there in a group which included Dave Hughes. We > were overtaken by two young ladies with irresistible derri?res that > significantly lifted his spirits, prompting him to observe ?I always > thought I was a tit man?. I could see what he meant! > > > > Dave Newbitt. > > -- > > Tech1 mailing list > > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Tue Jul 30 07:36:12 2019 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2019 13:36:12 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Riverside Studios In-Reply-To: References: <7gnx8bfpfn90ytbswxfss3rm.1564431949939@email.android.com> Message-ID: <5d4039ba.1c69fb81.86899.af5a@mx.google.com> For all you ?serious? pub crawlers, take a look at this link: https://www.yelp.co.uk/search?cflt=pubs&find_loc=Hammersmith+Bridge+Rd%2C+London+W6+9DB I have a few more tales of Riverside, mostly to do with sessions in the music studio, which was the old film scoring stage. Initially the tape machines were BTR2?s I think, the Studers came later. The little scissors fitted to the latter could be dangerous, as people who couldn?t kept their fingers off, used to wander in and say: ? What?s this do?? and press it! Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Geoff Fletcher via Tech1 Sent: 30 July 2019 12:22 To: Nick Ware Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Riverside Studios Going to check my diaries for Blue Anchor and Chancellor references. Lots of memories of Riverside - including when I was on my Inlay attachment struggling with the antiquated kit in the galleries! Geoff F On Mon, 29 Jul 2019 at 22:47, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: I used to spend those long lunch breaks nipping up to Henry?s Radio in Edgware Road to get ?bits? for whatever the latest project was. Either that or Useekia?s to get metal chassis parts guillotined and folded - or Fay?s Metals for sheet metal, or Allscrews - I could go on. Didn?t always get back on time, but at least when I did I was sober! And I have vivid memories of building a wall of TR90?s around myself in R1 to fend off V.L.?s advances! Slight change of attitude though a few years later when I found myself working freelance for her at her neatly named prod company: Cinema Verity. If you Google her you?ll find a pic of her posing by a TR90 in that very same control room. Nick. Sent from my iPad On 29 Jul 2019, at 21:40, Barry Bonner via Tech1 wrote: Yes, Vernon, it was next door to the Blue Anchor called The Rutland but aka The River Bar?.lunchtime main course in Blue Anchor, but dessert in The Rutland ?cos they did superb apple pie.? The Dove, with apparently the smallest bar in England, was further along where the towpath went around it.? Two and three quarters of an hour at lunchtime between doing Jackanory and Play School was not good for the liver!! Barry. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I did not see many Tech Ops group people's name on the comments. so if you haven't seen it. it is a treat!? Well after my time, of course, although there is Ron Green there, Senior Cameraman on my last crew day at the Beeb! I have got a rough old screen capture of this for my own benefit (it is rather large!) - but I'm sure one of you could do a professional job on it for the Tech Ops site!! -- Best Regards Alec Alec Bray alec.bray.2 at gmail.com mob: 07789 561 346 home: 0118 981 7502 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: