From alawrance1 at me.com Tue Jan 1 14:21:46 2019 From: alawrance1 at me.com (Alasdair Lawrance) Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2019 20:21:46 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] New Horizons/Ultima Thule Message-ID: <97E44B17-8281-4FAB-8384-29D311F901E2@me.com> Like many, I suspect, I'm astonished by this craft sending back data and pictures (eventually) from the edge of the Galaxy . It's apparently travelling at 47km/sec, and it takes well over 6 hours for the data to reach us, ( and presumably the same for our instructions to reach it), and it has a ERP of 15w, and is about 6.5 billion km from us. When I remember the trouble we used to have with radio mics across a school playground in my ILEA days, I am again, in awe! Talk about pointing a torch at the moon. Alasdair Lawrance Sent from my iPad2 From bernie833 at gmail.com Tue Jan 1 15:27:45 2019 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2019 21:27:45 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] FW: From Pat Heigham Message-ID: <8090e15c-afda-eebe-e826-f9c0d0b81e46@ntlworld.com> I don't know why Pat's emails keep getting bounced, but here's a forward? - The attached message has been automatically discarded. ForwardedMessage.eml Subject: New Year Concert From: patheigham Date: 01/01/2019, 20:09 To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat Always a good watch, and I was pleased to see a number of lady musicians in the orchestra this year. I think that the Czech Philharmonic was more sexist in not having female players. On a shoot for ?Music in Time? for C4, I was assisting Nick Ware, and we found ourselves in a concert venue in Vienna to record Shubert lieder in a small salon. Hunting for a mains socket, I crossed the corridor and opened the door opposite. Very dark, and as I became accustomed to the gloom, I realised that it was the Goldener Hall, from which the New Year concert is staged. Would love to attend one year, but booking years in advance is necessary, unless you have influence! Had a holiday in Austria and fetched up in Salzburg at the tail end of the musical festival. The guest orch was the VPO but tickets were way out of our price range! Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From relong at btinternet.com Tue Jan 1 16:25:36 2019 From: relong at btinternet.com (Roger E Long) Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2019 22:25:36 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] FW: From Pat Heigham In-Reply-To: <8090e15c-afda-eebe-e826-f9c0d0b81e46@ntlworld.com> References: <8090e15c-afda-eebe-e826-f9c0d0b81e46@ntlworld.com> Message-ID: <68549327-6ACA-400D-B1D1-4C53A7BAB759@btinternet.com> I always enjoy these concerts, particularly the dance sequences pre recorded in summer, segued into live performance Doing a Bryn Terfell BBC 2 ?Schuberts last walks? in Austria in the 90s Bryn performing in ancient monasteries and churches en route to Vienna with his excellent accompanist Malcolm, we ventured into similar saloons in Goldener Hall Amazing acoustics in the main venue Mind you the VPO was far from liberal then, or even now??. Roger > On 1 Jan 2019, at 21:27, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: > > I don't know why Pat's emails keep getting bounced, but here's a forward - > > > The attached message has been automatically discarded. > > ForwardedMessage.eml > Subject: New Year Concert > From: patheigham > Date: 01/01/2019, 20:09 > To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat > Always a good watch, and I was pleased to see a number of lady musicians in the orchestra this year. > > I think that the Czech Philharmonic was more sexist in not having female players. > > On a shoot for ?Music in Time? for C4, I was assisting Nick Ware, and we found ourselves in a concert > > venue in Vienna to record Shubert lieder in a small salon. Hunting for a mains socket, I crossed the corridor > > and opened the door opposite. Very dark, and as I became accustomed to the gloom, I realised that it was the > > Goldener Hall, from which the New Year concert is staged. > > Would love to attend one year, but booking years in advance is necessary, unless you have influence! > > Had a holiday in Austria and fetched up in Salzburg at the tail end of the musical festival. The guest orch > > was the VPO but tickets were way out of our price range! > > > Pat > > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bernie833 at gmail.com Tue Jan 1 16:42:34 2019 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2019 22:42:34 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Carpet pulling In-Reply-To: <5c2b652e.1c69fb81.bc60.7d81@mx.google.com> References: <1660488560.17030683.1546208657576.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1660488560.17030683.1546208657576@mail.yahoo.com> <8A1BFFED-9120-454C-A350-BBFA7410854B@btinternet.com> <519ce927-6dc7-54a4-ee47-d44c2912666f@chriswoolf.co.uk> <1ac6906c-f1d3-0778-a7a6-168878645f7e@gmail.com> <5c2b652e.1c69fb81.bc60.7d81@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <65287403-b3bb-dcab-770b-de9f20463ad2@gmail.com> Not carpet pulling, just change. Pat, when you pressed the key on your computer to type this, you killed the electric typewriter industry, the manual typewriter industry, the fountain pen industry and much of the post office, the quill pen industry, and all the way back to the man scratching on a clay tablet. The other day I set out for a lunch date in London. When I got to West Byfleet station there were no trains, courtesy a jumper at Surbiton.? I walked home, trying to work out the best way to get into London, as it was important to me. After much planning and changing of mind? I stood outside my front gate, got out my phone, ran the app and booked an Uber. He arrived five minutes later. I knew in advance his name, the car type and registration, and how he was getting to me. He dropped me off at Hatton Cross tube, and whilst I waited for the train I gave him five stars and a ?2 tip via the app. There was a map on the screen which showed our route and below it was a map of my last use of an Uber - hotel to the airport in Saigon just over a year ago. It's everywhere, and it isn't going back the way it was. It's sad for those chaps who spent years doing the knowledge, but after all, their ancestors had killed the Hansom cab industry, with the coach makers, the ostlers, the stables, the farms and the dung carts. Change happens, no matter what we want. In the early nineties I was running Points of View. The general level of letters wasn't brilliant, and I looked for other ways to get material. Thus it was that I had the first internet connection at Television Centre. At our ISP, the man knew me after various conversations. He loved the idea that he could pick up the phone and talk to a well knows BBC producer, and I loved it that he could tell me about new stuff. We had started with Archie and WAIS, and he was the one who introduced me to Mosaic and the World Wide Web, pretty much as it started. Anne Robinson said "What use is this internet anyway?" so I went back to the office and printed off some academic stuff about women's issues from a university server in New York. She had all the resources of a London daily newspaper, but she couldn't do that.? I think that my early introduction has come in rather useful down the years. All change. When the Sony VX1000 was released, all over the world an awful lot of people went "Oh, wow!". A combination of circumstances meant that in the BBC, I was that first person. Soon after I was asked to make it do something useful, so I did. Morning Surgery was seven weeks long, and for the last three we were joined by Chris Eames and his enthusiastic OB crew. The inserts were made by highly experienced Science Dept film directors, who for the first time had to do camera and sound themselves. They didn't make it complicated. They couldn't. We learned a few things about how those cameras changed the organisation as we went along. I produced the first film, a piece about RAF rescue helicopters - commonplace now, but new then because there hadn't been sensible technology before. I worked my way through the item in my head in the traditional way........then I realised that we had three cameras available, so we took all of them. Not three crews costing lots of money, just three of us. We got to know the medical staff well, and one doctor in particular was a star. At one point he was telling us that he had to do a night shift at the weekend. Jack Weber and I looked at each other and asked if we could film it.? Our boss, Caroline van den Brul, did a lot of iffing and butting, but as Jack and I pointed out, it was just us. No overtime, no night pay, just us volunteering to make something that wanted to do. It worked an absolute treat, but if it hadn't, all we would have lost was a half a nights sleep. I've had discussions about this ever since, especially when I was lecturing on it around the place. People had a tendency to think I was dreaming it up as I went along and made criticisms thinking that they were the first. The other day I found a long email from a man at Pebble Mill on the subject of dubbing. I'd said we didn't need a dubbing theatre on Morning Surgery, and that for many uses they were out of date. He accused me of being a no-nothing producer, but actually the person who had shown us was our very experienced BBC picture editor called Peter Parnham. His brand new online Avid could do the job perfectly well.? I haven't been in a dubbing theatre since. Those "You're runner, go on a two day course and you'll be a cameraman" didn't last long. No producer wants to hand in rubbish. I've just done eleven years teaching kids to multi skill on three year degree courses. Just as stupid to my mind, but that's what they paid me for. Lots of them went off to make television, though. Change will happen. In doesn't care about people - people have to be aware and roll with the punches. See you at BVE in February. B On 01/01/2019 13:03, patheigham wrote: > > Having read this, Bernie, I can only say that I regret that you were > instrumental in denying work to all the technicians who painstakingly > earned their craft over several years. It doesn?t matter what the gear > is (horses for courses), what does matter is the (in)competence of the > user. > > I really feel that you pulled the carpet out from under us. How can a > two day familiarisation supercede eight or more years of careful > in-depth training? > > When I transferred into the film industry, I obtained work on the > basis of my expertise and competence, and largely very grateful to the > splendid training offered by the BBC. Your article reveals that you > betrayed us and chucked all that out of the window to save money! > > However, I had a (now misguided) idea that everyone wanted to work on > a movie for the sake of the reflected glory of a splendid production ? > until I realised that the Savile Row suited, cigar chomping producers > were only interested in ?how much money was it going to make? Blow the > acting, script, locations etc. Where are the $$$$. > > "*/ARS GRATIA ARTIS/*" (Art for Art?s sake) is used as a motto by > Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer > , what a cynical > standpoint. > > Artistes in TV get residuals, technicians do not, unless it?s a > particular German production, I believe. > > It?s lucky that I?m out of it all, now, as I would have loved to > confront a highly paid ?star? with the premise, that: > > ?You are being paid tens of thousands more than me, but I?m expected > to get _my_ job right, every single take, in case you get it right _once_! > > Now who?s worth the better money?? > > Yes, crews do not sell a film and bring in the punters, but a well > made product does. > > Run Run Shaw, the Hong Kong filmmaker was reputed to pay everyone the > same, whether artiste or technician, but I can?t find any > > corroboration of that. Not a bad idea, though. > > Pat > > Sent from Mail for > Windows 10 > > *From: *Bernard Newnham via Tech1 > *Sent: *31 December 2018 18:40 > *To: *tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > *Subject: *Re: [Tech1] Can I take you back to the summer of 1986...? > (photoident question) > > I wrote this back in 2001. It was an article for the GTC magazine. > reading it again after a long time, it still seems to pretty much > reflect the way things were and are. > > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > > I stopped being a BBC studio cameraman, and GTC member, 24 years ago, > back when men were men etc, etc. For the next good, long time I minded > my own business as a producer, sitting in edit suites and studio > galleries, standing on grotty locations, and trying to learn how to > type up my scripts, back in the office. > > In late 1995,1 was asked to work on a show called Morning Surgery - > Hospital Watch for a daily morning audience. The production had put in > a budget of a million and a quarter pounds but had been told they > could only have the quarter and they were looking for ways to get > round this. I am the guilty person who specified the brand new DV as > the answer to their prayers. I created the first BBC DV kit, now seen > in their hundreds coming out of White City every day. I cut the foam > innards with an electric carving knife in my kitchen, and when nobody > in the resource departments would help, soldered up the first sound > adaptors at my office desk. I taught science producers to do basic > camera and sound, directed the shows and made some of the film > inserts. Morning Surgery was hailed as a major technical triumph, and > I?ve been lecturing on the fallout from it around the country and the > world, ever since. > > *So ? why DV?* > > I understand and sympathise with the criticisms from camera people in > Zerb and elsewhere ? mostly, they are absolutely right. But to get a > proper sense of why,? you have to take a much broader view. Let?s work > from the top down?. > > We live in a market economy ? most of us don?t rear chickens in our > gardens on the best corn feed ? we go down to Tescos and buy what?s > cheap today. In turn, Tesco buy the cheapest they can get away with > selling us ? if they go too down market and we don?t buy, they adjust > accordingly. Television is exactly the same. > > If you are a satellite or cable company, you need product. You aren?t > going to get subscribers if you offer a couple of extra channels; you > need to offer a bountiful cornucopia of joys to suit all. You aren?t > too bothered about what it consists of, so long as it sells and makes > a profit. You bundle channels together, so that your punters have to > buy as many bundles as possible to get what they want. To get Cartoon > Network for my son, I have to buy about four other channels that I may > dip into for about five seconds a week or less. It?s cheap, so I don?t > worry. If it got expensive, I?d dump Cartoon Network. > > If you are a programme providing company, you sell what you can, to > whom you can, for whatever profit you can make. As a very senior > accountant at a major ITV company said to me, ?carriage is all?. If > they can sell their product to a cable or satellite company, and you > and I buy it in our bundles, they are home free. It doesn?t matter > whether we tune in or not ? we?ve paid for the product. Cynical, isn?t > it? But the difference between profit and disaster in this area is > very narrow ? see Mr Micawber ? so the programming needs to be cheap. > > You can see where we?re headed here? > > You are a producer and are offered a long series of docs at ?8,000 per > half-hour, instead of ?80,000, do you take it? Well, it depends ? do > you want to pay the mortgage or not? Of course you take it, and then > you work out how to make it. The first thing you look at is what you > can lose and still keep the customer happy ? just like Tescos. You > have heard about this DV stuff and seen some good results, so you > pitch right in and dump your crews. They cost ?800 a day, so that?s a > decent start. A bit later on, you dump your editors too. If the > results you provide please the customer, end of story. If not, you > argue a lot and they either take their money elsewhere, or give you a > bit more and see if things get better ? Tescos again. > > *Sadly for crafts people, they don?t set the standards, the market > does ? he who pays the piper etc. ? and that?s it.* > > In the UK, the BBC is in a slightly different, but similar situation > to the commercial people. They cannot afford, if they are to survive, > to be two channels amongst, say, 160. They have to make more product, > but they have a fixed income. Yes, they can hack back on the > bureaucrats, but programme costs still have to come down. Yes, > presenters cost, but presenters sell shows and crews don?t. Yes, > sometimes it looks pretty average to the professional eye but, if the > customer ? in this case a channel controller ? is happy, then that?s > that. The BBC and all TV companies are just like Tesco; they do the > best they can for the money. > > *There are other aspects to DV, at the programme making level..* > > A good crew, or editor, is a joy and a bad one is a nightmare, but > sometimes there?s just no substitute, no matter what. But, at the end > of a shoot, the crew is off to the next one, whilst the director takes > his rushes to the edit suite, in hope and trepidation, and carries > that project through till it?s on the air. If he didn?t like what the > crew provided, he can go elsewhere next time but, right now, it?s too > late. Even the best of crews have to be looked after. They are human > beings who are working for you and they need to be managed, one way or > another. Take them away and, if you can do DV well enough to please > the customer, it?s one less thing to worry about ? you?re on your own, > but you look down your own viewfinder, and hear what you are putting > onto the tape ? there are no surprises, good or bad. You work for as > many hours as you want, and as many days as you want. Sometimes you > have to work in delicate situations, and two people from the TV > company are far less intimidating than four or five ? or fourteen (in > the old ITV days). > > *The whole DV thing can be very liberating, if you can do it.* > > Which brings me to training, or the lack of it. It?s true that quite > often a researcher, who has done a two-day course and then turns out > wince-making results, is replacing a cameraman with many years of > experience. This seems stupid and, if it were a fair world, it > wouldn?t happen. But it?s not, it?s market driven and all the > professional standards in the world aren?t going to make a difference. > The customers choose ? first the channel controller, then the viewer ? > not the camera crew. But the days of rubbish results are hopefully > numbered. More and more often, when shows take their staff on, they > want them DV experienced, and want to see proof. So colleges are > beginning to turn out people who can do what?s needed ? a different > kind of person is beginning to make television, multi-skilled and > pretty comfortable with it. > > *Where does all this leave the traditional camera crew?* > > Well, if it?s holding a very expensive Beta kit, I?m sorry. Change > isn?t going away ? so if you can?t beat ?em, join ?em. There?s a huge > shortage of cameramen who don?t insist on bringing macho sized kit and > attitudes to the party. A DV camera at ?2,000 is almost identical to a > Digibeta at ?40,000 ? it?s not as good, but it?s not a twentieth of > the quality, and it has its own very clear advantages ? for example, > have you ever done a two-camera shoot in a London taxi? Why not dry > hire yourself without your kit, and don?t whinge on about prostituting > your art, just because you are holding a VX1000 ? it?s the story that > matters, and you can help to tell it. Do you want to pay the mortgage > or not? > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > > > Virus-free. www.avast.com > > > > <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From paul at pgtmedia.co.uk Tue Jan 1 16:43:01 2019 From: paul at pgtmedia.co.uk (Paul Thackray) Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2019 22:43:01 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] FW: From Pat Heigham In-Reply-To: <68549327-6ACA-400D-B1D1-4C53A7BAB759@btinternet.com> References: <8090e15c-afda-eebe-e826-f9c0d0b81e46@ntlworld.com> <68549327-6ACA-400D-B1D1-4C53A7BAB759@btinternet.com> Message-ID: I have often fancied going to watch in Vienna, but the last 8 year's in a row (And quite a few years in the 80's & 90's) I have been at the london end. (So I have seen it 3 times today, BBC 2 TX, Review the edit and BBC 4 TX) Very noticeable Petroc always mentions 1) The number of female members and 2) Its origin is the War.... (Don't mention the War!!) All the TX's after the TVC closure in 2013 have come from BT Sport (Including today's) which means I am now in the correct place for 10 hrs of Women's tennis (No Men)! Paul On 01/01/2019 22:25, Roger E Long via Tech1 wrote: > I always enjoy these concerts, particularly the dance sequences pre > recorded in summer, segued into live performance > Doing a ?Bryn Terfell ?BBC 2 ?Schuberts last walks? in Austria ?in the 90s > Bryn performing in ancient monasteries and churches en route to Vienna > with his excellent accompanist Malcolm, we ventured into similar > saloons in Goldener Hall > Amazing acoustics in the main venue > Mind you the VPO was far from liberal then, or even now??. > Roger > >> On 1 Jan 2019, at 21:27, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 >> > wrote: >> >> I don't know why Pat's emails keep getting bounced, but here's a >> forward? - >> >> >> The attached message has been automatically discarded. >> >> ForwardedMessage.eml >> >> Subject: >> New Year Concert >> From: >> patheigham >> Date: >> 01/01/2019, 20:09 >> >> To: >> Tech-Ops-chit-chat >> >> >> Always a good watch, and I was pleased to see a number of lady >> musicians in the orchestra this year. >> >> I think that the Czech Philharmonic was more sexist in not having >> female players. >> >> On a shoot for ?Music in Time? for C4, I was assisting Nick Ware, and >> we found ourselves in a concert >> >> venue in Vienna to record Shubert lieder in a small salon. Hunting >> for a mains socket, I crossed the corridor >> >> and opened the door opposite. Very dark, and as I became accustomed >> to the gloom, I realised that it was the >> >> Goldener Hall, from which the New Year concert is staged. >> >> Would love to attend one year, but booking years in advance is >> necessary, unless you have influence! >> >> Had a holiday in Austria and fetched up in Salzburg at the tail end >> of the musical festival. The guest orch >> >> was the VPO but tickets were way out of our price range! >> >> >> Pat >> >> >> Sent from Mail for >> Windows 10 >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- Paul Thackray PGT Media Consulting Ltd. +44 7802 243979 Mail; paul at pgtmedia.co.uk Web; http://www.pgtmedia.co.uk Linkedin; http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/paul-thackray/19/379/746 IMDB; http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1488554/ --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Graeme Wall > On 1 Jan 2019, at 23:49, John Howell via Tech1 wrote: > > Agreed Alasdair, and how is it powered? the sun is hardly nearby for a quick re-charge. > > John H. > > > > > > On 01/01/2019 20:21, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 wrote: >> Like many, I suspect, I'm astonished by this craft sending back data and pictures (eventually) from the edge of the Galaxy . >> >> It's apparently travelling at 47km/sec, and it takes well over 6 hours for the data to reach us, ( and presumably the same for our instructions to reach it), and it has a ERP of 15w, and is about 6.5 billion km from us. >> >> When I remember the trouble we used to have with radio mics across a school playground in my ILEA days, I am again, in awe! Talk about pointing a torch at the moon. >> >> Alasdair Lawrance >> >> Sent from my iPad2 >> >> > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From ohbytheway.tv at gmail.com Wed Jan 2 05:00:59 2019 From: ohbytheway.tv at gmail.com (David Denness) Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2019 11:00:59 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] New Horizons/Ultima Thule In-Reply-To: <2ADD38C6-EA2C-4A7E-B7B1-86B545AF6164@icloud.com> References: <97E44B17-8281-4FAB-8384-29D311F901E2@me.com> <391298f5-1e64-7a3a-7d58-1d9b740678f5@howell61.f9.co.uk> <2ADD38C6-EA2C-4A7E-B7B1-86B545AF6164@icloud.com> Message-ID: <000201d4a28a$71f42800$55dc7800$@gmail.com> Item on BBC breakfast stated a small nuclear generator is on board with a lifetime until approx. 2030 Dave D -----Original Message----- From: Tech1 On Behalf Of Graeme Wall via Tech1 Sent: 02 January 2019 10:23 To: John Howell Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] New Horizons/Ultima Thule Plutonium battery. ? Graeme Wall > On 1 Jan 2019, at 23:49, John Howell via Tech1 wrote: > > Agreed Alasdair, and how is it powered? the sun is hardly nearby for a quick re-charge. > > John H. > > > > > > On 01/01/2019 20:21, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 wrote: >> Like many, I suspect, I'm astonished by this craft sending back data and pictures (eventually) from the edge of the Galaxy . >> >> It's apparently travelling at 47km/sec, and it takes well over 6 hours for the data to reach us, ( and presumably the same for our instructions to reach it), and it has a ERP of 15w, and is about 6.5 billion km from us. >> >> When I remember the trouble we used to have with radio mics across a school playground in my ILEA days, I am again, in awe! Talk about pointing a torch at the moon. >> >> Alasdair Lawrance >> >> Sent from my iPad2 >> >> > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From alawrance1 at me.com Wed Jan 2 05:01:36 2019 From: alawrance1 at me.com (Alasdair Lawrance) Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2019 11:01:36 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] New Horizons/Ultima Thule In-Reply-To: <2ADD38C6-EA2C-4A7E-B7B1-86B545AF6164@icloud.com> References: <97E44B17-8281-4FAB-8384-29D311F901E2@me.com> <391298f5-1e64-7a3a-7d58-1d9b740678f5@howell61.f9.co.uk> <2ADD38C6-EA2C-4A7E-B7B1-86B545AF6164@icloud.com> Message-ID: <5BAA7354-2A0C-4615-9DAC-ACDCEAC71B8A@me.com> There was an astro-physcist on Breakfast today who said it had a 'nuclear battery', whatever that might be. I don't think Duracell make one. Alasdair Lawrance Sent from my iPad2 > On 2 Jan 2019, at 10:22, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote: > > Plutonium battery. > ? > Graeme Wall > > >> On 1 Jan 2019, at 23:49, John Howell via Tech1 wrote: >> >> Agreed Alasdair, and how is it powered? the sun is hardly nearby for a quick re-charge. >> >> John H. >> >> >> >> >> >>> On 01/01/2019 20:21, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 wrote: >>> Like many, I suspect, I'm astonished by this craft sending back data and pictures (eventually) from the edge of the Galaxy . >>> >>> It's apparently travelling at 47km/sec, and it takes well over 6 hours for the data to reach us, ( and presumably the same for our instructions to reach it), and it has a ERP of 15w, and is about 6.5 billion km from us. >>> >>> When I remember the trouble we used to have with radio mics across a school playground in my ILEA days, I am again, in awe! Talk about pointing a torch at the moon. >>> >>> Alasdair Lawrance >>> >>> Sent from my iPad2 >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From relong at btinternet.com Wed Jan 2 05:11:38 2019 From: relong at btinternet.com (Roger E Long) Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2019 11:11:38 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Can I take you back to the summer of 1986...? (photo ident question) In-Reply-To: <519ce927-6dc7-54a4-ee47-d44c2912666f@chriswoolf.co.uk> References: <1660488560.17030683.1546208657576.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1660488560.17030683.1546208657576@mail.yahoo.com> <8A1BFFED-9120-454C-A350-BBFA7410854B@btinternet.com> <519ce927-6dc7-54a4-ee47-d44c2912666f@chriswoolf.co.uk> Message-ID: When we showed Sony the Arr iSr and the Nagra IV it was to demonstrate their ergonomics of handling and the simple flexibility of double working Those early video cameras were difficult to hand hold compared with the superb Aaton and SR The sound facilities on the VTR were amateur indeed Film had been recording every avenue of human life and beyond, video did not give better access, just cheapness but at vastly more expensive post production Shooting ratios on film were 10:1, on video they were up in the hundred?. Picture quality on film if neg transfer to tape was employed looked better Cableless double operation was far more fluid We showed the Sony guys a SQN mixer and said we wanted it to record digitaly ,they developed a feeble domestic format DAT, and gave us a troublesome media and unreliable transports. They should have used the Beta tape format common with cameras and given us a 4 track recorder and use camera batteries Dealing with Japanese companies was weird, meet agree, next time ,meet new people agree, end result something else from a different division I think their eye was on the US TV station market, one man band, ease of local news harvesting and live link They do make excellent cameras now, but Arri is still market leader for Drama production Though frankly why we want candlelit murk at home and watch in the dark is a mystery to me I tell this to my nephew who is the Crown Lighting Gaffer , he says wait until next series, it gets even darker They do still use tungsten though, for reliable flesh tone Neighbouring sparks come in from Star Wars and say how cosy the set is compared to a LED lit one?they have to heat their soundstage. Roger > On 31 Dec 2018, at 17:57, Chris Woolf via Tech1 wrote: > > I think that's a fair defence. > > Sony (mainly) have been very good at producing cameras that were eminently portable and provided as good a picture ~at the time~ as was feasible. They have continued to do so, and in the right hands the pictures are frankly magnificent - beyond anything we dreamt of back in the old days. High class pictures by candle-light? Was never feasible in the past but can look magical now. > > That users have wanted to employ the cameras with untrained and incompetent operators is not Sony's fault. Moreover, as a company producing machinery, we can't blame them (or Canon) for providing whatever the new style of customer demands. > > We may moan at the way things are going - and I'm one who does because I can barely ever find anything in (so-called) film or TV that I want to watch, unless it was produced 20 or more years ago - but we also happily snap away with the cameras on our phones, using them for all manner of purposes in a way that would have been unthinkable in the days of a 2001. What's more the damn things actually give quite good results. > > Chris Woolf > > > > On 31/12/2018 16:18, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: >> Actually, on reflection, I feel the need to come out in defence of Sony. >> Right from the start, the Sony 330, and the on-the-shoulder camcorders that followed it, got the ergonomics pretty damn right. So much so that the Ikegami HL79A, 79D and HL95, plus all the Panasonic offerings, followed much the same basic layout. If that?s not a tribute, I don?t know what is! And if you look now at the current Sony models, the general layout of the PXW-X400 hasn?t changed much at all. Slap on a battery, bung in a tape (card), and off you go, even if the last time you saw one was 30 years ago! >> As I remember it, we all agreed at the time that Ikegami colorimetry had a nicer look, but that argument was about as pointless as saying Kodak was better than Agfa. >> I think if you showed Sony an Arri SR as the way to go, they would have been too polite to laugh at you, but inwardly would have done. >> >> The PD150 was aimed at a completely different user/market. You can hardly blame Sony for the fact that the likes of the Beeb saw it as a way of doing away with ?proper? crewing. What the Beeb failed to recognise was that, OK, here?s a cheaper more basic camera, but you still need a skilled cameraman! >> >> Where we have gone backwards is that whereas back then, the camera was self contained with the exception of the battery, you now get a body onto which you have to attach all manner of crap just to get it working. >> Nick. >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On 31 Dec 2018, at 13:35, Roger E Long > wrote: >> >>> Those early tube cameras and portable vtrs were really dreadful bits of Kit >>> Especially Sony >>> We preferred the Ike, it seemed slightly film like in its ergonomics >>> We had a conference weekend with Sony, in a plush hotel, a nice freebie, they even gave us a Sony branded Swiss army knife! >>> We showed them a Nagra IV and a Arri Sr, also a SQN mixer >>> Still they came back with a ghastley compromise, even with the early chip Beta Cams >>> The Sony DigiBeta got somewhere near a good solution, it then all went tits up with the Sony PD150 and cheap and cheerful one man band ?self shooters? >>> For this I blame the BBC and its Community Affairs unit, which enabled a host of idiots to pick up camera and wobble. >>> Im not nostalgic for all that >>> We went backwards from crystal sync freedom ,and the ingenious Swiss Nagra to servitude and machine minding?. >>> Roger >>>> On 31 Dec 2018, at 12:22, Ian H via Tech1 > wrote: >>>> >>>> Beeb News used Ikegami with separate BVU recorders. ITN used Sony kit. >>>> (contribution ends) >>>> >>>> On Mon, Dec 31, 2018 at 11:03 AM Nick Ware via Tech1 > wrote: >>>> I think the foreground camera is a Sony BVP-30p tube front end with a BVV-1 onboard Betacam recorder. The later BVV-5 Beta SP was a darker grey colour. Just guessing, but I think chip cameras were a fair bit later than plain old Betacam. The sound recordist next to him seems dis-interinterested in him, so BVP-30 man could be on hs own with camera mic. >>>> The guy top right has a BVW-35 round his neck, or if he?s really unlucky it might be a BVU-110 (U-matic), or even worse, a 1? BVH-500. His long mic, a Sennheiser 805 or 815 in Rycote. No telling what that camera is, or who they are. >>>> A nice frozen moment in time, though - quite nostalgic. >>>> Best, >>>> Nick. >>>> Sent from my iPad >>>> >>> >> > > Virus-free. www.avast.com -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk Wed Jan 2 05:27:58 2019 From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf) Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2019 11:27:58 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Can I take you back to the summer of 1986...? (photoident question) In-Reply-To: <5c2a6311.1c69fb81.34317.c7b6@mx.google.com> References: <1660488560.17030683.1546208657576.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1660488560.17030683.1546208657576@mail.yahoo.com> <8A1BFFED-9120-454C-A350-BBFA7410854B@btinternet.com> <519ce927-6dc7-54a4-ee47-d44c2912666f@chriswoolf.co.uk> <5c2a6311.1c69fb81.34317.c7b6@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <1bc1f346-8133-a44c-e3b2-d30b54cb2648@chriswoolf.co.uk> On 31/12/2018 18:42, patheigham wrote: > > When I see pictures of productions showing a camera, nowadays, I am > appalled at the bits and pieces ?hung on?. > A small screen monitor, a lockit? box, a radio controlled focus > device. Why don?t the manufacturers get together > and build all the inputs and outputs into the camera bodies? > Quite simply, the camera would be enormous, and very heavy. Half the users would moan that they didn't need most of the "extras", so making them modular does actually make more sense. > In the old days, a Mitchell or Panavision 35mm camera only had a > crystal controlled motor or a sync pulse outlet, > > and it all worked! > But they didn't do very much. The sync permitted sound and camera - usually just one of each - to run at the same speed. But it didn't tell you where you were in any recording. For that you had to find a clap and then start counting. Yes it sort-of worked, yes, it was very slow, and yes, it took a load of editing assistants to do the mind-numbing job of linking all the audio and video data together. Today you just feed the timecode to the editing software and within a second or two everything is ready for you to play with. On the old cameras you might not have strapped on Lockits, remote focus, GPS data etc, but you did have several camera assistants hung around the camera's metaphorical neck trying to twiddle things as it moved. We have made things potentially more complicated, but also vastly more efficient. And yes, I dislike the demise of "craft" but it is inevitable in the world that the majority wants. You (collectively) won't pay high prices for TV and film; you (collectively) want a wide choice of channels. These options demand high efficiency/low staffing/minimal craft - we (collectively) have produced the situation. Craft still exists in, say, the opera world, where singers and orchestras cannot be replaced by technology. But then the high prices per performance bring about complaints of elitism etc, when actually it is really just fair pricing of large costs. It is always easier to blame others for the state of the world today, but very often it is we ourselves to blame. Chris Woolf > > > > <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From neil at dormand.eclipse.co.uk Wed Jan 2 06:24:08 2019 From: neil at dormand.eclipse.co.uk (Neil Dormand) Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2019 12:24:08 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] Carpet pulling In-Reply-To: <65287403-b3bb-dcab-770b-de9f20463ad2@gmail.com> References: <1660488560.17030683.1546208657576.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1660488560.17030683.1546208657576@mail.yahoo.com> <8A1BFFED-9120-454C-A350-BBFA7410854B@btinternet.com> <519ce927-6dc7-54a4-ee47-d44c2912666f@chriswoolf.co.uk> <1ac6906c-f1d3-0778-a7a6-168878645f7e@gmail.com> <5c2b652e.1c69fb81.bc60.7d81@mx.google.com> <65287403-b3bb-dcab-770b-de9f20463ad2@gmail.com> Message-ID: Just to add to the debate. A briefing note I wrote just before News moved into stage 6 TVC where loads of new technology was to be deployed. Neil OVERCOMING THE DIFFICULTIES OF INTRODUCING NEW AND EFFICIENT WAYS OF WORKING IN A PROGRAMME MAKING ENVIRONMENT The difficulties. There is a lot of reliance on new technology to make the BBC more efficient and enable it to produce more services and make more programme. New technology has never caused programme making to be cheaper and more efficient. Indeed there is evidence that it has increased costs as it has enabled producers to be more creative. Efficiencies will only be gained through the will of management and the flexibility of staff. New technology can be an enabler and a catalyst for change but we could spend a lot of money and carry on as before. Efficiencies can be gained by using the existing technology in a different way. As with any change it is normal to encounter some resistance to introducing new ways of working whether or not new technology is involved. It is even more difficult when having ensure that programme making is not interrupted. One of the immediate reactions to change in programme making techniques is that standards or quality of the output will drop. People will resist the change because they see that their job is in jeopardy. Programme staff are used to the security of having others that they can rely on to undertake the specialist or craft and in general they like the friendly face that they had last time. These support categories can often add value to a production by making suggestions or adding their expertise and provide a long stop to correct an error. Take them away and that security goes with them. Strategies for achieving change. Staff must realise that we have to change if the BBC and in particular Production is going to survive against the ever increasing competition and reduction of budgets The recognition that efficiencies are needed and that new ways of producing programmes need to be developed must come from the top. If a budget is squeezed then just reducing staff and cutting the quality will be very demoralising for the staff and disastrous for the organisation. The departmental head must be actively committed to change so that they can encourage the staff and at the same time give those who come up with ideas the freedom to experiment. Change to create a more efficient workplace is generally driven by the management although in some cases by the individual members of staff themselves. In the situation of continuous programme strands such as the news or sport and long running programmes where continuity of style is important, changes will generally have to be applied across the board so will need to be management lead. In these circumstances it is important that people are given time to get used to the idea. Some people are quicker than others to see opportunities and will come forward with suggestions. These people must be encouraged and given the freedom to try and not fear the consequences of failure. If it is intended to remove a support service or change a procedure to be more efficient then the staff must buy into the need to change. This can be achieved by involving them in the devising new techniques by giving them the problem to solve. There will be a lot of ?it cant be done?- ?we cannot do without it?. The leader or manager has to be insistent and persuade the group that the change is necessary. If a compromise emerges then it might be best to go with it for an interim period then achieve the whole change later. Timing and pacing of change are very important. There might be a lot of resistance to an idea at first but eventually people will see the benefits and adopt the new methods. Time must be given to training and familiarisation with the new procedures before the programme becomes reliant on the changed methods of working. Some will learn quicker than others so this must be taken into account. People being displaced must have opportunities for retraining so that they can compete for the new jobs. If new technology is being introduced it must not let the users down. If it does not work in the programme environment then resistance will increase and it will be very difficult to get acceptance. In the case of programmes for which teams come together for relatively short periods say for a drama or a series, people can be allowed to be more individual and encouraged to develop their own new methods of production. Training and experimentation are again very important. New techniques must be tried away from the pressure of the programme making schedule. If producers are to shoot or edit their own material then they must be properly trained to do so. Although modern equipment may be simpler to use the craft still has to be learnt. Teams can be formed from people with different backgrounds working together so that they can learn from each other. The members of the team should be encouraged to become multi-skilled thereby requiring less staff. People must feel that they are able to make mistakes without fear of retribution. Incentives for achievement should be devised. These do not have to be personal monetary gain but maybe if a budget is under spent then some can be kept for the next production. Maybe the staff could be given more attractive work. Some people will actively seek to do everything themselves and the fact that they are allowed to will be enough reward. Resource suppliers. If we are to introduce more efficient programme making techniques then our suppliers must change also. The may provide less traditional craft personnel in the future and concentrate more on hiring equipment and providing backup and support. To enable them to plan for the change we must involve them at the earliest opportunity. They should be involved in reviews and working parties. Only in this way will they be able to plan for changes and develop a strategy for investment. Not only will this ensure we have continuity of supply but prices should be maintained at an acceptable level. If there is no involvement then at best prices will be higher than they need be because of panic investment or at worst they will go out of business. Industrial Relations. It is important that the unions feel informed and the requirement for change or the introduction of new technology is explained at an early stage. They should feel that they have some influence on the eventual outcome. In a time of uncertainty staff will turn to the union therefore the onus is on us to ensure that they are well informed and in tune with the need to change so that they can do their bit in providing support. Conclusion. There is evidence that when people have been through a change and adopted different procedures or gained new skills they will say that even though they may work harder they will decline the invitation to resort to the old methods. What they find is that they are in more control of the final product and less mistakes are made due to a reduced need for communication. They like not having to tell someone what to do or having their ideas interpreted. They know that their actions will appear on the screen or be heard on the speaker without intervention from others. This is a strong message to spread at the start of a period of change. ND. 15-7-97 From: Tech1 [mailto:tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk] On Behalf Of Bernard Newnham via Tech1 Sent: 01 January 2019 22:43 To: patheigham; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Carpet pulling Not carpet pulling, just change. Pat, when you pressed the key on your computer to type this, you killed the electric typewriter industry, the manual typewriter industry, the fountain pen industry and much of the post office, the quill pen industry, and all the way back to the man scratching on a clay tablet. The other day I set out for a lunch date in London. When I got to West Byfleet station there were no trains, courtesy a jumper at Surbiton. I walked home, trying to work out the best way to get into London, as it was important to me. After much planning and changing of mind I stood outside my front gate, got out my phone, ran the app and booked an Uber. He arrived five minutes later. I knew in advance his name, the car type and registration, and how he was getting to me. He dropped me off at Hatton Cross tube, and whilst I waited for the train I gave him five stars and a ?2 tip via the app. There was a map on the screen which showed our route and below it was a map of my last use of an Uber - hotel to the airport in Saigon just over a year ago. It's everywhere, and it isn't going back the way it was. It's sad for those chaps who spent years doing the knowledge, but after all, their ancestors had killed the Hansom cab industry, with the coach makers, the ostlers, the stables, the farms and the dung carts. Change happens, no matter what we want. In the early nineties I was running Points of View. The general level of letters wasn't brilliant, and I looked for other ways to get material. Thus it was that I had the first internet connection at Television Centre. At our ISP, the man knew me after various conversations. He loved the idea that he could pick up the phone and talk to a well knows BBC producer, and I loved it that he could tell me about new stuff. We had started with Archie and WAIS, and he was the one who introduced me to Mosaic and the World Wide Web, pretty much as it started. Anne Robinson said "What use is this internet anyway?" so I went back to the office and printed off some academic stuff about women's issues from a university server in New York. She had all the resources of a London daily newspaper, but she couldn't do that. I think that my early introduction has come in rather useful down the years. All change. When the Sony VX1000 was released, all over the world an awful lot of people went "Oh, wow!". A combination of circumstances meant that in the BBC, I was that first person. Soon after I was asked to make it do something useful, so I did. Morning Surgery was seven weeks long, and for the last three we were joined by Chris Eames and his enthusiastic OB crew. The inserts were made by highly experienced Science Dept film directors, who for the first time had to do camera and sound themselves. They didn't make it complicated. They couldn't. We learned a few things about how those cameras changed the organisation as we went along. I produced the first film, a piece about RAF rescue helicopters - commonplace now, but new then because there hadn't been sensible technology before. I worked my way through the item in my head in the traditional way........then I realised that we had three cameras available, so we took all of them. Not three crews costing lots of money, just three of us. We got to know the medical staff well, and one doctor in particular was a star. At one point he was telling us that he had to do a night shift at the weekend. Jack Weber and I looked at each other and asked if we could film it. Our boss, Caroline van den Brul, did a lot of iffing and butting, but as Jack and I pointed out, it was just us. No overtime, no night pay, just us volunteering to make something that wanted to do. It worked an absolute treat, but if it hadn't, all we would have lost was a half a nights sleep. I've had discussions about this ever since, especially when I was lecturing on it around the place. People had a tendency to think I was dreaming it up as I went along and made criticisms thinking that they were the first. The other day I found a long email from a man at Pebble Mill on the subject of dubbing. I'd said we didn't need a dubbing theatre on Morning Surgery, and that for many uses they were out of date. He accused me of being a no-nothing producer, but actually the person who had shown us was our very experienced BBC picture editor called Peter Parnham. His brand new online Avid could do the job perfectly well. I haven't been in a dubbing theatre since. Those "You're runner, go on a two day course and you'll be a cameraman" didn't last long. No producer wants to hand in rubbish. I've just done eleven years teaching kids to multi skill on three year degree courses. Just as stupid to my mind, but that's what they paid me for. Lots of them went off to make television, though. Change will happen. In doesn't care about people - people have to be aware and roll with the punches. See you at BVE in February. B On 01/01/2019 13:03, patheigham wrote: Having read this, Bernie, I can only say that I regret that you were instrumental in denying work to all the technicians who painstakingly earned their craft over several years. It doesn?t matter what the gear is (horses for courses), what does matter is the (in)competence of the user. I really feel that you pulled the carpet out from under us. How can a two day familiarisation supercede eight or more years of careful in-depth training? When I transferred into the film industry, I obtained work on the basis of my expertise and competence, and largely very grateful to the splendid training offered by the BBC. Your article reveals that you betrayed us and chucked all that out of the window to save money! However, I had a (now misguided) idea that everyone wanted to work on a movie for the sake of the reflected glory of a splendid production ? until I realised that the Savile Row suited, cigar chomping producers were only interested in ?how much money was it going to make? Blow the acting, script, locations etc. Where are the $$$$. "ARS GRATIA ARTIS" (Art for Art?s sake) is used as a motto by Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer, what a cynical standpoint. Artistes in TV get residuals, technicians do not, unless it?s a particular German production, I believe. It?s lucky that I?m out of it all, now, as I would have loved to confront a highly paid ?star? with the premise, that: ?You are being paid tens of thousands more than me, but I?m expected to get my job right, every single take, in case you get it right once! Now who?s worth the better money?? Yes, crews do not sell a film and bring in the punters, but a well made product does. Run Run Shaw, the Hong Kong filmmaker was reputed to pay everyone the same, whether artiste or technician, but I can?t find any corroboration of that. Not a bad idea, though. Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Bernard Newnham via Tech1 Sent: 31 December 2018 18:40 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Can I take you back to the summer of 1986...? (photoident question) I wrote this back in 2001. It was an article for the GTC magazine. reading it again after a long time, it still seems to pretty much reflect the way things were and are. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ I stopped being a BBC studio cameraman, and GTC member, 24 years ago, back when men were men etc, etc. For the next good, long time I minded my own business as a producer, sitting in edit suites and studio galleries, standing on grotty locations, and trying to learn how to type up my scripts, back in the office. In late 1995,1 was asked to work on a show called Morning Surgery - Hospital Watch for a daily morning audience. The production had put in a budget of a million and a quarter pounds but had been told they could only have the quarter and they were looking for ways to get round this. I am the guilty person who specified the brand new DV as the answer to their prayers. I created the first BBC DV kit, now seen in their hundreds coming out of White City every day. I cut the foam innards with an electric carving knife in my kitchen, and when nobody in the resource departments would help, soldered up the first sound adaptors at my office desk. I taught science producers to do basic camera and sound, directed the shows and made some of the film inserts. Morning Surgery was hailed as a major technical triumph, and I?ve been lecturing on the fallout from it around the country and the world, ever since. So ? why DV? I understand and sympathise with the criticisms from camera people in Zerb and elsewhere ? mostly, they are absolutely right. But to get a proper sense of why, you have to take a much broader view. Let?s work from the top down?. We live in a market economy ? most of us don?t rear chickens in our gardens on the best corn feed ? we go down to Tescos and buy what?s cheap today. In turn, Tesco buy the cheapest they can get away with selling us ? if they go too down market and we don?t buy, they adjust accordingly. Television is exactly the same. If you are a satellite or cable company, you need product. You aren?t going to get subscribers if you offer a couple of extra channels; you need to offer a bountiful cornucopia of joys to suit all. You aren?t too bothered about what it consists of, so long as it sells and makes a profit. You bundle channels together, so that your punters have to buy as many bundles as possible to get what they want. To get Cartoon Network for my son, I have to buy about four other channels that I may dip into for about five seconds a week or less. It?s cheap, so I don?t worry. If it got expensive, I?d dump Cartoon Network. If you are a programme providing company, you sell what you can, to whom you can, for whatever profit you can make. As a very senior accountant at a major ITV company said to me, ?carriage is all?. If they can sell their product to a cable or satellite company, and you and I buy it in our bundles, they are home free. It doesn?t matter whether we tune in or not ? we?ve paid for the product. Cynical, isn?t it? But the difference between profit and disaster in this area is very narrow ? see Mr Micawber ? so the programming needs to be cheap. You can see where we?re headed here? You are a producer and are offered a long series of docs at ?8,000 per half-hour, instead of ?80,000, do you take it? Well, it depends ? do you want to pay the mortgage or not? Of course you take it, and then you work out how to make it. The first thing you look at is what you can lose and still keep the customer happy ? just like Tescos. You have heard about this DV stuff and seen some good results, so you pitch right in and dump your crews. They cost ?800 a day, so that?s a decent start. A bit later on, you dump your editors too. If the results you provide please the customer, end of story. If not, you argue a lot and they either take their money elsewhere, or give you a bit more and see if things get better ? Tescos again. Sadly for crafts people, they don?t set the standards, the market does ? he who pays the piper etc. ? and that?s it. In the UK, the BBC is in a slightly different, but similar situation to the commercial people. They cannot afford, if they are to survive, to be two channels amongst, say, 160. They have to make more product, but they have a fixed income. Yes, they can hack back on the bureaucrats, but programme costs still have to come down. Yes, presenters cost, but presenters sell shows and crews don?t. Yes, sometimes it looks pretty average to the professional eye but, if the customer ? in this case a channel controller ? is happy, then that?s that. The BBC and all TV companies are just like Tesco; they do the best they can for the money. There are other aspects to DV, at the programme making level.. A good crew, or editor, is a joy and a bad one is a nightmare, but sometimes there?s just no substitute, no matter what. But, at the end of a shoot, the crew is off to the next one, whilst the director takes his rushes to the edit suite, in hope and trepidation, and carries that project through till it?s on the air. If he didn?t like what the crew provided, he can go elsewhere next time but, right now, it?s too late. Even the best of crews have to be looked after. They are human beings who are working for you and they need to be managed, one way or another. Take them away and, if you can do DV well enough to please the customer, it?s one less thing to worry about ? you?re on your own, but you look down your own viewfinder, and hear what you are putting onto the tape ? there are no surprises, good or bad. You work for as many hours as you want, and as many days as you want. Sometimes you have to work in delicate situations, and two people from the TV company are far less intimidating than four or five ? or fourteen (in the old ITV days). The whole DV thing can be very liberating, if you can do it. Which brings me to training, or the lack of it. It?s true that quite often a researcher, who has done a two-day course and then turns out wince-making results, is replacing a cameraman with many years of experience. This seems stupid and, if it were a fair world, it wouldn?t happen. But it?s not, it?s market driven and all the professional standards in the world aren?t going to make a difference. The customers choose ? first the channel controller, then the viewer ? not the camera crew. But the days of rubbish results are hopefully numbered. More and more often, when shows take their staff on, they want them DV experienced, and want to see proof. So colleges are beginning to turn out people who can do what?s needed ? a different kind of person is beginning to make television, multi-skilled and pretty comfortable with it. Where does all this leave the traditional camera crew? Well, if it?s holding a very expensive Beta kit, I?m sorry. Change isn?t going away ? so if you can?t beat ?em, join ?em. There?s a huge shortage of cameramen who don?t insist on bringing macho sized kit and attitudes to the party. A DV camera at ?2,000 is almost identical to a Digibeta at ?40,000 ? it?s not as good, but it?s not a twentieth of the quality, and it has its own very clear advantages ? for example, have you ever done a two-camera shoot in a London taxi? Why not dry hire yourself without your kit, and don?t whinge on about prostituting your art, just because you are holding a VX1000 ? it?s the story that matters, and you can help to tell it. Do you want to pay the mortgage or not? ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Virus-free. www.avast.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On 01/01/2019 20:21, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 wrote: Like many, I suspect, I'm astonished by this craft sending back data and pictures (eventually) from the edge of the Galaxy . It's apparently travelling at 47km/sec, and it takes well over 6 hours for the data to reach us, ( and presumably the same for our instructions to reach it), and it has a ERP of 15w, and is about 6.5 billion km from us. When I remember the trouble we used to have with radio mics across a school playground in my ILEA days, I am again, in awe! Talk about pointing a torch at the moon. Alasdair Lawrance Sent from my iPad2 -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mikej at bmanor.co.uk Wed Jan 2 07:16:26 2019 From: mikej at bmanor.co.uk (Mike Jordan) Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2019 13:16:26 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] New Horizons/Ultima Thule In-Reply-To: <787227580.18373114.1546433888732@mail.yahoo.com> References: <97E44B17-8281-4FAB-8384-29D311F901E2@me.com><391298f5-1e64-7a3a-7d58-1d9b740678f5@howell61.f9.co.uk> <787227580.18373114.1546433888732@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <03F74C3AF2B346179402BBD46191C3C4@Gigabyte> No possibly not faked ? unlike BBC Breakfast which has had nice sunny day with sun loungers outside the windows for since ever! and BBC London with the same moored barges behind Waterloo bridge and that poor bored taxi driver driving across the bridge at the same time every day. At least I believe ITV breakfast shot several versions of the window view before they left Southbank. (never have watched it!). ITN reports from S Bank are very clever as they manage to time most as the blue and white pleasure boat passes upstream through Blackfriars Bridge. What cynic me? Surely not! Mike From: ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2019 12:58 PM To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] New Horizons/Ultima Thule Likewise, I was wondering how much sunlight actually reaches Ultima Thule. It's all pretty dark out there. The sun must look like little more than a bright star. Yet, somehow they've managed to get photos. The camera can't use a long exposure, not at the speed it's travelling. It must have a very sensitive chip. Of course, it could all have been faked in a studio somewhere! luv, Rog. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bernie833 at gmail.com Wed Jan 2 10:02:39 2019 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2019 16:02:39 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Carpet pulling In-Reply-To: References: <1660488560.17030683.1546208657576.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1660488560.17030683.1546208657576@mail.yahoo.com> <8A1BFFED-9120-454C-A350-BBFA7410854B@btinternet.com> <519ce927-6dc7-54a4-ee47-d44c2912666f@chriswoolf.co.uk> <1ac6906c-f1d3-0778-a7a6-168878645f7e@gmail.com> <5c2b652e.1c69fb81.bc60.7d81@mx.google.com> <65287403-b3bb-dcab-770b-de9f20463ad2@gmail.com> Message-ID: <96225082-fe95-e83b-553e-930121529201@gmail.com> And this may well be a point where we should ask Chris Eames for his opinion. On Morning Surgery it was always the intention that an OB crew would join in to help make the half hour main programmes. What the programme couldn't afford was the truck farms of earlier Hospital Watch shows. We needed something much smaller and cheaper. The programmes were to be recorded on one day and transmitted the next. I remember a difficult meeting with Manchester OBs where we explained all this, and they really didn't want to know. I don't remember where the gear we used came from in the end, but as it was Chris and crew I assume London.? We had a large hospital trolley carrying a Grass Valley 100 mixer at one end, and a small sound mixer at the other. A BetaSP recorder and talkback stuff were in the middle.? We'd pitch up at an operating theatre or consulting room or ward with our two cameras and trolley. Plug in to any convenient 13amp plug and we were away. After the online a bike would take the show to Newcastle to be transmitted. I remember - An operating theatre with a man having a hernia fixed with a grid . Surgeon? -? "And if Fred was awake now he'd be able to feel his left testicle going up and down as this is his spermatic chord." Day surgery, and an ingrowing toenail. I was outside directing from the trolley in the corridor, and Chris and others were inside. They fix ingrowing toenails by giving a local anaesthetic, sliding a wide flat probe down the back of the nail and ripping it off sideways. I had cut to the closeup (no vision mixing person), and I involuntarily went "Ohhh".? Later in the edit (the online Avid in a disused operating theatre), everyone else went "Ohhh" too. Luckily we always recorded on both cameras as well as the mix, so we had a safe-ish wide shot. We shot a Dupuytren'scontracture operation. We used one of the VX1000s as a fixed third camera, and I had to rush in and tell the surgeon to stop moving the patients hand around.? And - given that the programmes went out in the mornings, I delayed endlessly in the edit until cutting to that camera as it had all the blood. At some point we needed something done in the afternoon. We had VX1000s with their sound gear available but no production person, so Chris went out and did the job, his first VX1000. And of course, getting done up in all that waterproof gear and hanging out of a Sea King? over the North Sea. "What happens if I fall out", he said, attached to a long strap. "We'll pull you back in, but it won't be comfortable" Signed Intrepid Aviator On 02/01/2019 12:24, Neil Dormand wrote: > > Just to add to the debate. A briefing note I wrote just before News > moved into stage 6 TVC where loads of new technology was to be deployed. > > Neil > > *OVERCOMING THE DIFFICULTIES OF INTRODUCING NEW AND EFFICIENT WAYS OF > WORKING IN A PROGRAMME MAKING ENVIRONMENT* > > ** > > *_The difficulties._* > > ** > > There is a lot of reliance on new**technology to make the BBC more > efficient and enable it to produce more services and make more > programme. New technology has never caused programme making to be > cheaper and more efficient. Indeed there is evidence that it has > increased costs as it has enabled producers to be more creative. > Efficiencies will only be gained through the will of management and > the flexibility of staff. New technology can be an enabler and a > catalyst for change but we could spend a lot of money and carry on as > before. Efficiencies can be gained by using the existing technology in > a different way. ** > > ** > > As with any change it is normal to encounter some resistance to > introducing new ways of working whether or not new technology is > involved. It is even more difficult when having ensure that programme > making is not interrupted. One of the immediate reactions to change in > programme making techniques is that standards or quality of the output > will drop. People will resist the change because they see that their > job is in jeopardy. Programme staff are used to the security of having > others that they can rely on to undertake the specialist or craft and > in general they like the friendly face that they had last time. These > support categories can often add value to a production by making > suggestions or adding their expertise and provide a long stop to > correct an error. Take them away and that security goes with them. > > *_Strategies for achieving change._* > > __ > > Staff must realise that we have to change if the BBC and in particular > Production is going to survive against the ever increasing competition > and reduction of budgets > > The recognition that efficiencies are needed and that new ways of > producing programmes need to be developed must come from the top. If a > budget is squeezed then just reducing staff and cutting the quality > will be very demoralising for the staff and disastrous for the > organisation. The departmental head must be actively committed to > change so that they can encourage the staff and at the same time give > those who come up with ideas the freedom to experiment. > > Change to create a more efficient workplace is generally driven by the > management although in some cases by the individual members of staff > themselves. In the situation of continuous programme strands such as > the news or sport and long running programmes where continuity of > style is important, changes will generally have to be applied across > the board so will need to be management lead. > > In these circumstances it is important that people are given time to > get used to the idea. Some people are quicker than others to see > opportunities and will come forward with suggestions. These people > must be encouraged and given the freedom to try and not fear the > consequences of failure. > > If it is intended to remove a support service or change a procedure to > be more efficient then the staff must buy into the need to change. > This can be achieved by involving them in the devising new techniques > by giving them the problem to solve. There will be a lot of ?it cant > be done?- ?we cannot do without it?. The leader or manager has to be > insistent and persuade the group that the change is necessary. If a > compromise emerges then it might be best to go with it for an interim > period then achieve the whole change later. Timing and pacing of > change are very important. There might be a lot of resistance to an > idea at first but eventually people will see the benefits and adopt > the new methods. > > Time must be given to training and familiarisation with the new > procedures before the programme becomes reliant on the changed methods > of working. Some will learn quicker than others so this must be taken > into account. People being displaced must have opportunities for > retraining so that they can compete for the new jobs. > > If new technology is being introduced it must not let the users down. > If it does not work in the programme environment then resistance will > increase and it will be very difficult to get acceptance. > > In the case of programmes for which teams come together for relatively > short periods say for a drama or a series, people can be allowed to be > more individual and encouraged to develop their own new methods of > production. Training and experimentation are again very important. New > techniques must be tried away from the pressure of the programme > making schedule. If producers are to shoot or edit their own material > then they must be properly trained to do so. Although modern equipment > may be simpler to use the craft still has to be learnt. > > Teams can be formed from people with different backgrounds working > together so that they can learn from each other. The members of the > team should be encouraged to become multi-skilled thereby requiring > less staff. > > People must feel that they are able to make mistakes without fear of > retribution. Incentives for achievement should be devised. These do > not have to be personal monetary gain but maybe if a budget is under > spent then some can be kept for the next production. Maybe the staff > could be given more attractive work. Some people will actively seek to > do everything themselves and the fact that they are allowed to will be > enough reward. > > *_Resource suppliers._* > > *__* > > If we are to introduce more efficient programme making techniques then > our suppliers must change also. The may provide less traditional craft > personnel in the future and concentrate more on hiring equipment and > providing backup and support. To enable them to plan for the change we > must involve them at the earliest opportunity. They should be involved > in reviews and working parties. Only in this way will they be able to > plan for changes and develop a strategy for investment. Not only will > this ensure we have continuity of supply but prices should be > maintained at an acceptable level. > > If there is no involvement then at best prices will be higher than > they need be because of panic investment or at worst they will go out > of business. > > *_Industrial Relations._* > > It is important that the unions feel informed and the requirement for > change or the introduction of new technology is explained at an early > stage. They should feel that they have some influence on the eventual > outcome. In a time of uncertainty staff will turn to the union > therefore the onus is on us to ensure that they are well informed and > in tune with the need to change so that they can do their bit in > providing support. > > *_Conclusion._* > > There is evidence that when people have been through a change and > adopted different procedures or gained new skills they will say that > even though they may work harder they will decline the invitation to > resort to the old methods. What they find is that they are in more > control of the final product and less mistakes are made due to a > reduced need for? communication. They like not having to tell someone > what to do or having their ideas interpreted. They know that their > actions will appear on the screen or be heard on the speaker without > intervention from others. This is a strong message to spread at the > start of a period of change. > > ND. > > 15-7-97 > > *From:*Tech1 [mailto:tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk] *On Behalf Of > *Bernard Newnham via Tech1 > *Sent:* 01 January 2019 22:43 > *To:* patheigham; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > *Subject:* Re: [Tech1] Carpet pulling > > Not carpet pulling, just change. > > Pat, when you pressed the key on your computer to type this, you > killed the electric typewriter industry, the manual typewriter > industry, the fountain pen industry and much of the post office, the > quill pen industry, and all the way back to the man scratching on a > clay tablet. > > The other day I set out for a lunch date in London. When I got to West > Byfleet station there were no trains, courtesy a jumper at Surbiton.? > I walked home, trying to work out the best way to get into London, as > it was important to me. After much planning and changing of mind? I > stood outside my front gate, got out my phone, ran the app and booked > an Uber. He arrived five minutes later. I knew in advance his name, > the car type and registration, and how he was getting to me. He > dropped me off at Hatton Cross tube, and whilst I waited for the train > I gave him five stars and a ?2 tip via the app. There was a map on the > screen which showed our route and below it was a map of my last use of > an Uber - hotel to the airport in Saigon just over a year ago. It's > everywhere, and it isn't going back the way it was. It's sad for those > chaps who spent years doing the knowledge, but after all, their > ancestors had killed the Hansom cab industry, with the coach makers, > the ostlers, the stables, the farms and the dung carts. > > Change happens, no matter what we want. > > In the early nineties I was running Points of View. The general level > of letters wasn't brilliant, and I looked for other ways to get > material. Thus it was that I had the first internet connection at > Television Centre. At our ISP, the man knew me after various > conversations. He loved the idea that he could pick up the phone and > talk to a well knows BBC producer, and I loved it that he could tell > me about new stuff. We had started with Archie and WAIS, and he was > the one who introduced me to Mosaic and the World Wide Web, pretty > much as it started. Anne Robinson said "What use is this internet > anyway?" so I went back to the office and printed off some academic > stuff about women's issues from a university server in New York. She > had all the resources of a London daily newspaper, but she couldn't do > that.? I think that my early introduction has come in rather useful > down the years. > > All change. > > When the Sony VX1000 was released, all over the world an awful lot of > people went "Oh, wow!". A combination of circumstances meant that in > the BBC, I was that first person. Soon after I was asked to make it do > something useful, so I did. > > Morning Surgery was seven weeks long, and for the last three we were > joined by Chris Eames and his enthusiastic OB crew. The inserts were > made by highly experienced Science Dept film directors, who for the > first time had to do camera and sound themselves. They didn't make it > complicated. They couldn't. > > We learned a few things about how those cameras changed the > organisation as we went along. I produced the first film, a piece > about RAF rescue helicopters - commonplace now, but new then because > there hadn't been sensible technology before. I worked my way through > the item in my head in the traditional way........then I realised that > we had three cameras available, so we took all of them. Not three > crews costing lots of money, just three of us. > > We got to know the medical staff well, and one doctor in particular > was a star. At one point he was telling us that he had to do a night > shift at the weekend. Jack Weber and I looked at each other and asked > if we could film it.? Our boss, Caroline van den Brul, did a lot of > iffing and butting, but as Jack and I pointed out, it was just us. No > overtime, no night pay, just us volunteering to make something that > wanted to do. It worked an absolute treat, but if it hadn't, all we > would have lost was a half a nights sleep. > > I've had discussions about this ever since, especially when I was > lecturing on it around the place. People had a tendency to think I was > dreaming it up as I went along and made criticisms thinking that they > were the first. The other day I found a long email from a man at > Pebble Mill on the subject of dubbing. I'd said we didn't need a > dubbing theatre on Morning Surgery, and that for many uses they were > out of date. He accused me of being a no-nothing producer, but > actually the person who had shown us was our very experienced BBC > picture editor called Peter Parnham. His brand new online Avid could > do the job perfectly well.? I haven't been in a dubbing theatre since. > > Those "You're runner, go on a two day course and you'll be a > cameraman" didn't last long. No producer wants to hand in rubbish. > I've just done eleven years teaching kids to multi skill on three year > degree courses. Just as stupid to my mind, but that's what they paid > me for. Lots of them went off to make television, though. > > Change will happen. In doesn't care about people - people have to be > aware and roll with the punches. See you at BVE in February. > > B > > > > > On 01/01/2019 13:03, patheigham wrote: > > Having read this, Bernie, I can only say that I regret that you > were instrumental in denying work to all the technicians who > painstakingly earned their craft over several years. It doesn?t > matter what the gear is (horses for courses), what does matter is > the (in)competence of the user. > > I really feel that you pulled the carpet out from under us. How > can a two day familiarisation supercede eight or more years of > careful in-depth training? > > When I transferred into the film industry, I obtained work on the > basis of my expertise and competence, and largely very grateful to > the splendid training offered by the BBC. Your article reveals > that you betrayed us and chucked all that out of the window to > save money! > > However, I had a (now misguided) idea that everyone wanted to work > on a movie for the sake of the reflected glory of a splendid > production ? until I realised that the Savile Row suited, cigar > chomping producers were only interested in ?how much money was it > going to make? Blow the acting, script, locations etc. Where are > the $$$$. > > "*/ARS GRATIA ARTIS/*" (Art for Art?s sake) is used as a motto by > Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer > , what a > cynical standpoint. > > Artistes in TV get residuals, technicians do not, unless it?s a > particular German production, I believe. > > It?s lucky that I?m out of it all, now, as I would have loved to > confront a highly paid ?star? with the premise, that: > > ?You are being paid tens of thousands more than me, but I?m > expected to get _my_ job right, every single take, in case you get > it right _once_! > > Now who?s worth the better money?? > > Yes, crews do not sell a film and bring in the punters, but a well > made product does. > > Run Run Shaw, the Hong Kong filmmaker was reputed to pay everyone > the same, whether artiste or technician, but I can?t find any > > corroboration of that. Not a bad idea, though. > > Pat > > Sent from Mail > for Windows 10 > > *From: *Bernard Newnham via Tech1 > *Sent: *31 December 2018 18:40 > *To: *tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > *Subject: *Re: [Tech1] Can I take you back to the summer of > 1986...? (photoident question) > > I wrote this back in 2001. It was an article for the GTC magazine. > reading it again after a long time, it still seems to pretty much > reflect the way things were and are. > > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > > > I stopped being a BBC studio cameraman, and GTC member, 24 years > ago, back when men were men etc, etc. For the next good, long time > I minded my own business as a producer, sitting in edit suites and > studio galleries, standing on grotty locations, and trying to > learn how to type up my scripts, back in the office. > > In late 1995,1 was asked to work on a show called Morning Surgery > - Hospital Watch for a daily morning audience. The production had > put in a budget of a million and a quarter pounds but had been > told they could only have the quarter and they were looking for > ways to get round this. I am the guilty person who specified the > brand new DV as the answer to their prayers. I created the first > BBC DV kit, now seen in their hundreds coming out of White City > every day. I cut the foam innards with an electric carving knife > in my kitchen, and when nobody in the resource departments would > help, soldered up the first sound adaptors at my office desk. I > taught science producers to do basic camera and sound, directed > the shows and made some of the film inserts. Morning Surgery was > hailed as a major technical triumph, and I?ve been lecturing on > the fallout from it around the country and the world, ever since. > > *So ? why DV?* > > I understand and sympathise with the criticisms from camera people > in Zerb and elsewhere ? mostly, they are absolutely right. But to > get a proper sense of why,? you have to take a much broader view. > Let?s work from the top down?. > > We live in a market economy ? most of us don?t rear chickens in > our gardens on the best corn feed ? we go down to Tescos and buy > what?s cheap today. In turn, Tesco buy the cheapest they can get > away with selling us ? if they go too down market and we don?t > buy, they adjust accordingly. Television is exactly the same. > > If you are a satellite or cable company, you need product. You > aren?t going to get subscribers if you offer a couple of extra > channels; you need to offer a bountiful cornucopia of joys to suit > all. You aren?t too bothered about what it consists of, so long as > it sells and makes a profit. You bundle channels together, so that > your punters have to buy as many bundles as possible to get what > they want. To get Cartoon Network for my son, I have to buy about > four other channels that I may dip into for about five seconds a > week or less. It?s cheap, so I don?t worry. If it got expensive, > I?d dump Cartoon Network. > > If you are a programme providing company, you sell what you can, > to whom you can, for whatever profit you can make. As a very > senior accountant at a major ITV company said to me, ?carriage is > all?. If they can sell their product to a cable or satellite > company, and you and I buy it in our bundles, they are home free. > It doesn?t matter whether we tune in or not ? we?ve paid for the > product. Cynical, isn?t it? But the difference between profit and > disaster in this area is very narrow ? see Mr Micawber ? so the > programming needs to be cheap. > > You can see where we?re headed here? > > You are a producer and are offered a long series of docs at ?8,000 > per half-hour, instead of ?80,000, do you take it? Well, it > depends ? do you want to pay the mortgage or not? Of course you > take it, and then you work out how to make it. The first thing you > look at is what you can lose and still keep the customer happy ? > just like Tescos. You have heard about this DV stuff and seen some > good results, so you pitch right in and dump your crews. They cost > ?800 a day, so that?s a decent start. A bit later on, you dump > your editors too. If the results you provide please the customer, > end of story. If not, you argue a lot and they either take their > money elsewhere, or give you a bit more and see if things get > better ? Tescos again. > > *Sadly for crafts people, they don?t set the standards, the market > does ? he who pays the piper etc. ? and that?s it.* > > In the UK, the BBC is in a slightly different, but similar > situation to the commercial people. They cannot afford, if they > are to survive, to be two channels amongst, say, 160. They have to > make more product, but they have a fixed income. Yes, they can > hack back on the bureaucrats, but programme costs still have to > come down. Yes, presenters cost, but presenters sell shows and > crews don?t. Yes, sometimes it looks pretty average to the > professional eye but, if the customer ? in this case a channel > controller ? is happy, then that?s that. The BBC and all TV > companies are just like Tesco; they do the best they can for the > money. > > *There are other aspects to DV, at the programme making level..* > > A good crew, or editor, is a joy and a bad one is a nightmare, but > sometimes there?s just no substitute, no matter what. But, at the > end of a shoot, the crew is off to the next one, whilst the > director takes his rushes to the edit suite, in hope and > trepidation, and carries that project through till it?s on the > air. If he didn?t like what the crew provided, he can go elsewhere > next time but, right now, it?s too late. Even the best of crews > have to be looked after. They are human beings who are working for > you and they need to be managed, one way or another. Take them > away and, if you can do DV well enough to please the customer, > it?s one less thing to worry about ? you?re on your own, but you > look down your own viewfinder, and hear what you are putting onto > the tape ? there are no surprises, good or bad. You work for as > many hours as you want, and as many days as you want. Sometimes > you have to work in delicate situations, and two people from the > TV company are far less intimidating than four or five ? or > fourteen (in the old ITV days). > > *The whole DV thing can be very liberating, if you can do it.* > > Which brings me to training, or the lack of it. It?s true that > quite often a researcher, who has done a two-day course and then > turns out wince-making results, is replacing a cameraman with many > years of experience. This seems stupid and, if it were a fair > world, it wouldn?t happen. But it?s not, it?s market driven and > all the professional standards in the world aren?t going to make a > difference. The customers choose ? first the channel controller, > then the viewer ? not the camera crew. But the days of rubbish > results are hopefully numbered. More and more often, when shows > take their staff on, they want them DV experienced, and want to > see proof. So colleges are beginning to turn out people who can do > what?s needed ? a different kind of person is beginning to make > television, multi-skilled and pretty comfortable with it. > > *Where does all this leave the traditional camera crew?* > > Well, if it?s holding a very expensive Beta kit, I?m sorry. Change > isn?t going away ? so if you can?t beat ?em, join ?em. There?s a > huge shortage of cameramen who don?t insist on bringing macho > sized kit and attitudes to the party. A DV camera at ?2,000 is > almost identical to a Digibeta at ?40,000 ? it?s not as good, but > it?s not a twentieth of the quality, and it has its own very clear > advantages ? for example, have you ever done a two-camera shoot in > a London taxi? Why not dry hire yourself without your kit, and > don?t whinge on about prostituting your art, just because you are > holding a VX1000 ? it?s the story that matters, and you can help > to tell it. Do you want to pay the mortgage or not? > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > > > > > Virus-free. www.avast.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: dhmmpmhdojcnjjcb.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 8816 bytes Desc: not available URL: From chriseames1944 at btinternet.com Wed Jan 2 16:04:31 2019 From: chriseames1944 at btinternet.com (Chris Eames) Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2019 22:04:31 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Morning Surgery - My memories Message-ID: <01BB9048-4636-4716-9619-5C6B47068A10@btinternet.com> What do I remember of Morning Surgery? The show was rather thrown at me, I was down to do a camera/EM stint on Animal Hospital, but KA politics intervened! Morning Surgery was planned by a Manchester EM, I can't remember who it was. The kit was 2 of KA's elderly Sony BVP 70's with PSC backs, which allowed us to plug in a multiway cable to allow us to control exposure etc. from the trolley that Bernie mentioned. Fortunately,, I had a good sparks, but a very basic kit. No gels had been ordered, and I had to send an SOS to KA for a supply. The second cameraman was Bob Everett ( now unfortunately in poor health, living in a nursing home in Ilfracombe) I remember that the first shoot that I did with the VX 1000 was part of the infamous hernia op. We had taken all our kit down to the theatre the night before the shoot, and spent an hour or so swabbing it down with disinfectant to sterilise it, and left it in the theatre ready to use next morning. Calling in at the prod. Office to say goodbye, we were informed that the plan had changed, and they wanted to interview the patient in the ward before the op. After I had explained the impossibility of moving the now sterile cameras, I suggested that I do the shoot on a VX 1000. Bernie duly gave me one, I took a Trinitron Colour monitor from the kit, went back to our digs, and spent an evening learning and fiddling with the camera. I think that the only thing that I changed on the camera was to reduce the saturation slightly. The next morning we duly shot in the ward on the VX, and I finished the shoot with the presenter walking out of shot, right, in a long shot. We then went into theatre and recorded the aforementioned operation. After that we went back to the ward, and the next shot was the presenter entering from left in MS, to be cut onto the VX shot. I must admit that at this stage in the series l was more fascinated by the editing process, which I did not normally have chance to watch firsthand, usually my tapes were handed to production at the end of the shoot, and the next that I saw of my efforts was usually at home on my own TV. After we finished shooting I went to the edit suite to see the finished cut. Vivienne Parry, the presenter duly walked out of the wide shot into the MS . My first remark to the editor was how well he had matched it. His reply was that he hadn't touched it! It was just as he had received it. Looking closely you could just see an improvement in definition, and a slight reduction in noise on the second picture, nothing that a normal viewer would notice. I am unsure how much effect the programme had on KA management. Subsequently, they purchased a number of VX cameras ( or their successors), which were used on early BBC 3 programmes. The pictures were fine, but ergonomically they were difficult to operate to a professional standard on anything but the simplest shots, fine for producers who understood their limitations, but they were rare as hen's teeth. The other problem was the head life of the recorder, designed for domestic use they lasted a very short time. Buying a new one was cheaper than repairing them, so we finished up with lots of cameras marked as 'use with external recorder only'. Sorry this is a bit long winded, must be bedtime! Chris Eames From johna.bennett at talktalk.net Wed Jan 2 20:39:56 2019 From: johna.bennett at talktalk.net (John Bennett) Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2019 02:39:56 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Can I take you back to the summer of 1986...? (photo ident question) In-Reply-To: References: <1660488560.17030683.1546208657576.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1660488560.17030683.1546208657576@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: There were 3 types of the "original Betacam" combination - BVW-1P, BVW-3P and BVW-30P. They could all be docked to a BVV-1 Betacam Oxide (pre SP) tape recorder. The BVW-1P was a one tube camera and the quality was absolutely appalling! In the early 80s, when HTV embraced ENG, the news crews were equipped with 3 tube Ikegami 79D cameras, which were liked by the cameramen as the Sound recordist had to carry the weighty BVU 50 record only machine or the even heavier BVU 110! The News "Stringers" got a worse deal and had to give up their Bolexes and carry the new BVW-1s around! ENG crews later got the Sony BVW-505 combinations, which kept us going for some time. > I think the foreground camera is a Sony BVP-30p tube front end with a > BVV-1 onboard Betacam recorder. The later BVV-5 Beta SP was a darker > grey colour. Just guessing, but I think chip cameras were a fair bit > later than plain old Betacam. The sound recordist next to him seems > ?dis-interinterested in him, so BVP-30 man could be on hs own with > camera mic. > The guy top right has a BVW-35 round his neck, or if he?s really > unlucky it might be a BVU-110 (U-matic), or even worse, a 1? BVH-500. > His long mic, a Sennheiser 805 or 815 in Rycote. No telling what that > camera is, or who they are. > A nice frozen moment in time, though - quite nostalgic. > Best, > Nick. > Sent from my iPad > > On 30 Dec 2018, at 22:26, Gary Critcher via Tech1 > > wrote: > >> ?I'm just starting to go through some 35mm negatives that will >> hopefully supply images for my second book....that's if the first one >> sells OK! >> >> ? We're in the Brands Hatch pitlane for that years British Grand Prix >> and one of the images is this one, featuring British driver Derek >> Warwick in his? Brabham. >> >> ? Not sure if I will use it yet, but am wondering if any of you might >> recognise any of the camera crews that are in the picture? >> Even if you can't,? some info on the gear they are using would be >> handy anyway. >> >> ?? Over to you, lads. >> >> >> >> Oh, and all the best for the New Year. >> >> ??? Best regards, >> Gary C >> >> >> Virus-free. www.avg.com >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- John Bennett 07768 527518 --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: bnkloocdkeegbbad.png Type: image/png Size: 948500 bytes Desc: not available URL: From relong at btinternet.com Thu Jan 3 04:21:18 2019 From: relong at btinternet.com (Roger E Long) Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2019 10:21:18 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Can I take you back to the summer of 1986...? (photo ident question) In-Reply-To: References: <1660488560.17030683.1546208657576.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1660488560.17030683.1546208657576@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <50591272-7018-4C93-8B44-D08165894802@btinternet.com> We hated the BVU50/110 in Film Unit We likened video to 2 sacks of coal tied together by a rope! However the studio boys were glad to get out and about and see daylight Beta SP looked better until we discovered Dolby C miss tracking ruined our audio Only the arrival of DigiBeta showed a ray of hope My cameraman bought one of the first generation @70 grand The next week they halved the price? We took it to the states for a 12 week film on the Clintons for CH4 Kept on getting RF warning lights, tried to hire another Digi PAL Beta, unknown at that time in the US A new one flown in from the UK (Films of Bristol) at great expense to my mate, who understandably was in a Tizz. > On 3 Jan 2019, at 02:39, John Bennett via Tech1 wrote: > > There were 3 types of the "original Betacam" combination - BVW-1P, BVW-3P and BVW-30P. They could all be docked to a BVV-1 Betacam Oxide (pre SP) tape recorder. The BVW-1P was a one tube camera and the quality was absolutely appalling! > > In the early 80s, when HTV embraced ENG, the news crews were equipped with 3 tube Ikegami 79D cameras, which were liked by the cameramen as the Sound recordist had to carry the weighty BVU 50 record only machine or the even heavier BVU 110! The News "Stringers" got a worse deal and had to give up their Bolexes and carry the new BVW-1s around! 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(photo ident question) In-Reply-To: <50591272-7018-4C93-8B44-D08165894802@btinternet.com> References: <1660488560.17030683.1546208657576.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1660488560.17030683.1546208657576@mail.yahoo.com> <50591272-7018-4C93-8B44-D08165894802@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <252E34D3-28F4-47AC-9E31-11B30088E32C@icloud.com> > On 3 Jan 2019, at 10:21, Roger E Long via Tech1 wrote: > > We hated the BVU50/110 in Film Unit > We likened video to 2 sacks of coal tied together by a rope! > However the studio boys were glad to get out and about and see daylight > Beta SP looked better until we discovered Dolby C miss tracking ruined our audio Interesting, don?t recall having that problem with ours. I used BVP300s and 400s right up to, and a bit after, the launch of Digi-beta and never had a recordist complain. ? Graeme Wall From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk Thu Jan 3 04:40:42 2019 From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf) Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2019 10:40:42 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Can I take you back to the summer of 1986...? (photo ident question) In-Reply-To: <50591272-7018-4C93-8B44-D08165894802@btinternet.com> References: <1660488560.17030683.1546208657576.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1660488560.17030683.1546208657576@mail.yahoo.com> <50591272-7018-4C93-8B44-D08165894802@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <1c3eff98-2a38-4312-33a4-c640c7f5d964@chriswoolf.co.uk> Roger said "Only the arrival of DigiBeta showed a ray of hope...." Ah Roger! You have proved such a lovely point. While audio and video had to be handled in the analogue domain so many problems (including engineers who couldn't set up the fragile Dolby C) existed. But as soon as it was possible to handle signals digitally, and eventually get rid of the dodginess of mechanical recording systems, the benefits of the new techniques became obvious to everyone. One of the great problems of conversion from film techniques to electronic ones was that none of the cameramen (or other technicians) had any training or knowledge of engineering. I had endless cameramen bringing kit to me to set up for them to make "nice" pictures, which they could have done for? themselves if they had been taught some quite basic "Wood Norton" stuff. They knew all about stretching development of negatives, but nothing about setting? up a soft white clip. You, and many others, will remember the intensely boring drone of Chris Woolf trying to explain to recordists (and camerapeople) about timecode, genlock and sync... because there was such a terrible lack of education about new techniques. Equipment was expected to "just work", and people to "just use" it, with a magical belief that you didn't need to understand how the engine worked. We still have that situation... Chris Woolf On 03/01/2019 10:21, Roger E Long via Tech1 wrote: > We hated the BVU50/110 in Film Unit > We likened video to 2 sacks of coal tied together by a rope! > However the studio boys were glad to get out and about and see daylight > Beta SP looked better until we discovered Dolby C miss tracking ruined > our audio > Only the arrival of DigiBeta showed a ray of hope > My cameraman bought one of the first generation @70 grand > The next week they halved the price? > We took it to the states for a 12 week film on the Clintons for CH4 > Kept on getting RF warning lights, tried to hire another Digi PAL > Beta, unknown at that time in the US > A new one flown in from the UK (Films of Bristol) at great expense to > my mate, who understandably was in a Tizz. > >> On 3 Jan 2019, at 02:39, John Bennett via Tech1 > > wrote: >> >> There were 3 types of the "original Betacam" combination - BVW-1P, >> BVW-3P and BVW-30P. They could all be docked to a BVV-1 Betacam Oxide >> (pre SP) tape recorder. The BVW-1P was a one tube camera and the >> quality was absolutely appalling! >> >> In the early 80s, when HTV embraced ENG, the news crews were equipped >> with 3 tube Ikegami 79D cameras, which were liked by the cameramen as >> the Sound recordist had to carry the weighty BVU 50 record only >> machine or the even heavier BVU 110! The News "Stringers" got a worse >> deal and had to give up their Bolexes and carry the new BVW-1s >> around! ENG crews later got the Sony BVW-505 combinations, which kept >> us going for some time. >> >> >> >> >> > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave at davesound.co.uk Thu Jan 3 08:58:10 2019 From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman) Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2019 14:58:10 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Tech1] Can I take you back to the summer of 1986...? (photo ident question) In-Reply-To: <1c3eff98-2a38-4312-33a4-c640c7f5d964@chriswoolf.co.uk> References: <1660488560.17030683.1546208657576.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1660488560.17030683.1546208657576@mail.yahoo.com> <50591272-7018-4C93-8B44-D08165894802@btinternet.com> <1c3eff98-2a38-4312-33a4-c640c7f5d964@chriswoolf.co.uk> Message-ID: <57709f16d7dave@davesound.co.uk> In article <1c3eff98-2a38-4312-33a4-c640c7f5d964 at chriswoolf.co.uk>, Chris Woolf via Tech1 wrote: > While audio and video had to be handled in the analogue domain so many > problems (including engineers who couldn't set up the fragile Dolby C) > existed. But as soon as it was possible to handle signals digitally, and > eventually get rid of the dodginess of mechanical recording systems, the > benefits of the new techniques became obvious to everyone. At Thames, we changed near overnight from C format (with Dolby A - rather unusual for broadcast in the UK) to MII which was the Panasonic cassette answer to BetaCam with Dolby C. But having a pretty aware VT area sound wise (and everything else), the guys there got very consistent results from it. Very noticeable that many of these progs now being shown have had very poor indeed transfers to digital for playout. -- *Yes, I am an agent of Satan, but my duties are largely ceremonial Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From relong at btinternet.com Thu Jan 3 10:01:00 2019 From: relong at btinternet.com (Roger E Long) Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2019 16:01:00 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Can I take you back to the summer of 1986...? (photo ident question) In-Reply-To: <252E34D3-28F4-47AC-9E31-11B30088E32C@icloud.com> References: <1660488560.17030683.1546208657576.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1660488560.17030683.1546208657576@mail.yahoo.com> <50591272-7018-4C93-8B44-D08165894802@btinternet.com> <252E34D3-28F4-47AC-9E31-11B30088E32C@icloud.com> Message-ID: <4D6035FE-B6C1-434B-A8D4-30B349F56B5A@btinternet.com> Azimuth had to be spot on for the studio transfer machine, this rarely was achieved Dolby C was merely two Dolby B chips back to back, not Dolby SR as it should have been. > On 3 Jan 2019, at 10:30, Graeme Wall wrote: > > > >> On 3 Jan 2019, at 10:21, Roger E Long via Tech1 wrote: >> >> We hated the BVU50/110 in Film Unit >> We likened video to 2 sacks of coal tied together by a rope! >> However the studio boys were glad to get out and about and see daylight >> Beta SP looked better until we discovered Dolby C miss tracking ruined our audio > > Interesting, don?t recall having that problem with ours. I used BVP300s and 400s right up to, and a bit after, the launch of Digi-beta and never had a recordist complain. > > ? > Graeme Wall From bernie833 at gmail.com Thu Jan 3 10:22:25 2019 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2019 16:22:25 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Morning Surgery - My memories In-Reply-To: <01BB9048-4636-4716-9619-5C6B47068A10@btinternet.com> References: <01BB9048-4636-4716-9619-5C6B47068A10@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <8c1ea282-e949-9734-c01a-48fa7dce8a58@gmail.com> I had sort of forgotten - I still have one of the VX1000 kits stashed away here. When the series was over, Chris and his colleagues took their gear home, and we loaded a ragbag of stuff we had picked up from around the place into our Toyota Previa and gave it back to those we had borrowed it from - apart from the DV kits. After everyone agreed that the VX1000 was going to be the camera of choice on the show, all the tech stuff fixing was left to me, including buying what was needed. We had money from a special development unit, but I had to pick the gear.? I spent a good bit of time looking around for suitable tripods, mics, adaptors, boxes etc. I wanted the cameras well protected but not heavy, and the wheely cases came from a shop in Oxford Street. We had problems sourcing the cameras - they were brand new and much in demand. BBC Engineering Purchasing didn't want to know us, so we were on our own. I was in HiWay HiFi in Tottenham Court Road playing with various tripods, and actually found a usable one. "I'll take three of these" I said. "Why on earth do you want three?" So I explained, and explained about the difficulty of getting cameras. "How many?" "Three" "Leave it with us". I think they were grey imports, I never asked. Later we had problems getting tapes and batteries, and HiWay Hifi delivered. In fact they couriered tapes to us in Alnwick as they got them. BBC Production suddenly had a new way of getting stuff on programme budgets, and their van made many many deliveries to White City dispatch. Meanwhile I went to Nigel at Richmond Film Services and consulted him on sound gear, as no-one at TC wanted to know. Nigel was at first a little sniffy (ex Ealing sound man), but soon got enthusiastic and helped enormously, showing me round, making suggestions, then selling us gun mics (Sennheiser K6/ME66) and Sony ECM somethings.? He later rented us our radio mics. So I put together the kits, cutting foam from an Addlestone shop to fit, using an electric carving knife. Here it is - A few empty slots, but the gear is all here. Does the camera still work? Don't know, I'm charging a battery (hopefully) So, after the show was done, the three kits ended up here on the floor for some weeks. The department that had financed them had no use for them, until later they opened the Digilab at TC. Two of the kits went there and sat on a shelf. The third I insisted on keeping, and it did a lot more work. I made two half hour documentaries and a lot of shorter films before the cameras were really out of date.? Here's a man stacking up discs of plastic explosive on a live 1000lb bomb On the last day of filming on that show, we were invited to record part of the 100th anniversary dinner of the Royal Engineer bomb disposal regiment at a barracks on Salisbury Plane.? During the afternoon the pictures from the camera assumed a strange green tint. We were a long way from help, and there wasn't going to be retakes. After much fiddling, I hit the thing, and it worked correctly again, and ever since. By that time I had designed the killer app of the VX1000 era. If you're doing fly on the wall, you have to go from "just one of the chaps in camo" to recording very quickly and as unobtrusively as possible. An adapted flash gun attachment, a Beech Box sound adaptor, Sennheiser mic and a pair of cans. Radio mic on the other channel as required. Chris is right - it had it's ergonomic irritations, but at that time there was nothing to beat it in that area. B On 02/01/2019 22:04, Chris Eames via Tech1 wrote: > What do I remember of Morning Surgery? > > The show was rather thrown at me, I was down to do a camera/EM stint on Animal Hospital, but KA politics intervened! > Morning Surgery was planned by a Manchester EM, I can't remember who it was. The kit was 2 of KA's elderly Sony BVP 70's with PSC backs, which allowed us to plug in a multiway cable to allow us to control exposure etc. from the trolley that Bernie mentioned. Fortunately,, I had a good sparks, but a very basic kit. No gels had been ordered, and I had to send an SOS to KA for a supply. The second cameraman was Bob Everett ( now unfortunately in poor health, living in a nursing home in Ilfracombe) > I remember that the first shoot that I did with the VX 1000 was part of the infamous hernia op. We had taken all our kit down to the theatre the night before the shoot, and spent an hour or so swabbing it down with disinfectant to sterilise it, and left it in the theatre ready to use next morning. Calling in at the prod. Office to say goodbye, we were informed that the plan had changed, and they wanted to interview the patient in the ward before the op. After I had explained the impossibility of moving the now sterile cameras, I suggested that I do the shoot on a VX 1000. Bernie duly gave me one, I took a Trinitron Colour monitor from the kit, went back to our digs, and spent an evening learning and fiddling with the camera. I think that the only thing that I changed on the camera was to reduce the saturation slightly. > The next morning we duly shot in the ward on the VX, and I finished the shoot with the presenter walking out of shot, right, in a long shot. We then went into theatre and recorded the aforementioned operation. After that we went back to the ward, and the next shot was the presenter entering from left in MS, to be cut onto the VX shot. > I must admit that at this stage in the series l was more fascinated by the editing process, which I did not normally have chance to watch firsthand, usually my tapes were handed to production at the end of the shoot, and the next that I saw of my efforts was usually at home on my own TV. > After we finished shooting I went to the edit suite to see the finished cut. Vivienne Parry, the presenter duly walked out of the wide shot into the MS . My first remark to the editor was how well he had matched it. His reply was that he hadn't touched it! It was just as he had received it. Looking closely you could just see an improvement in definition, and a slight reduction in noise on the second picture, nothing that a normal viewer would notice. > I am unsure how much effect the programme had on KA management. Subsequently, they purchased a number of VX cameras ( or their successors), which were used on early BBC 3 programmes. The pictures were fine, but ergonomically they were difficult to operate to a professional standard on anything but the simplest shots, fine for producers who understood their limitations, but they were rare as hen's teeth. The other problem was the head life of the recorder, designed for domestic use they lasted a very short time. Buying a new one was cheaper than repairing them, so we finished up with lots of cameras marked as 'use with external recorder only'. > Sorry this is a bit long winded, must be bedtime! > > Chris Eames > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 1.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 46519 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From dave at davesound.co.uk Thu Jan 3 10:51:13 2019 From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman) Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2019 16:51:13 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Tech1] Can I take you back to the summer of 1986...? (photo ident question) In-Reply-To: <4D6035FE-B6C1-434B-A8D4-30B349F56B5A@btinternet.com> References: <1660488560.17030683.1546208657576.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1660488560.17030683.1546208657576@mail.yahoo.com> <50591272-7018-4C93-8B44-D08165894802@btinternet.com> <252E34D3-28F4-47AC-9E31-11B30088E32C@icloud.com> <4D6035FE-B6C1-434B-A8D4-30B349F56B5A@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <5770a970badave@davesound.co.uk> In article <4D6035FE-B6C1-434B-A8D4-30B349F56B5A at btinternet.com>, Roger E Long via Tech1 wrote: > Azimuth had to be spot on for the studio transfer machine, this rarely > was achieved Dolby C was merely two Dolby B chips back to back, not > Dolby SR as it should have been. I'd guess SR might have been just too complex to fit to the portable machines? Apart from cost, obviously. -- *WHOSE CRUEL IDEA WAS IT FOR THE WORD 'LISP' TO HAVE 'S' IN IT? Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From graeme.wall at icloud.com Thu Jan 3 11:37:35 2019 From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall) Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2019 17:37:35 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Can I take you back to the summer of 1986...? (photo ident question) In-Reply-To: <4D6035FE-B6C1-434B-A8D4-30B349F56B5A@btinternet.com> References: <1660488560.17030683.1546208657576.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1660488560.17030683.1546208657576@mail.yahoo.com> <50591272-7018-4C93-8B44-D08165894802@btinternet.com> <252E34D3-28F4-47AC-9E31-11B30088E32C@icloud.com> <4D6035FE-B6C1-434B-A8D4-30B349F56B5A@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <9C833B78-1AE1-4057-8D06-543EC08C445E@icloud.com> Could explain why the location guys never complained :-) Never had any complaints from production either though. ? Graeme Wall > On 3 Jan 2019, at 16:01, Roger E Long wrote: > > Azimuth had to be spot on for the studio transfer machine, this rarely was achieved > Dolby C was merely two Dolby B chips back to back, not Dolby SR as it should have been. > >> On 3 Jan 2019, at 10:30, Graeme Wall wrote: >> >> >> >>> On 3 Jan 2019, at 10:21, Roger E Long via Tech1 wrote: >>> >>> We hated the BVU50/110 in Film Unit >>> We likened video to 2 sacks of coal tied together by a rope! >>> However the studio boys were glad to get out and about and see daylight >>> Beta SP looked better until we discovered Dolby C miss tracking ruined our audio >> >> Interesting, don?t recall having that problem with ours. I used BVP300s and 400s right up to, and a bit after, the launch of Digi-beta and never had a recordist complain. >> >> ? >> Graeme Wall > From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk Thu Jan 3 12:11:52 2019 From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf) Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2019 18:11:52 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Can I take you back to the summer of 1986...? (photo ident question) In-Reply-To: <5770a970badave@davesound.co.uk> References: <1660488560.17030683.1546208657576.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1660488560.17030683.1546208657576@mail.yahoo.com> <50591272-7018-4C93-8B44-D08165894802@btinternet.com> <252E34D3-28F4-47AC-9E31-11B30088E32C@icloud.com> <4D6035FE-B6C1-434B-A8D4-30B349F56B5A@btinternet.com> <5770a970badave@davesound.co.uk> Message-ID: Sadly Beta SP was being developed before Dolby SR came to market. It was more an unfortunately timed choice than a bad one. SR ~could~ have been incorporated but the incompatibility of changing just wasn't worth it. Dolby C didn't have an integral line-up facility, and required the use of accurate calibration tapes to set everything correctly. It was entirely possible, but the poorly written service manuals didn't help - you had to have a good understanding of what needed to be achieved to get it right, because following the bizarre English was near impossible. There was also a difficulty with measuring signal levels during the alignment process. The manuals used the internal VUs, though it was also feasible to use external meters. However I watched more than one service engineer attempt the line-up using external PPMs aligned incorrectly according to frequent BBC practice - ie PPM4 = -8dB VU. Nothing was going to track if you tried that. Azimuth was important, but not that hard to get right. Betacam guided tape very well, so passage over the audio heads was very stable. Chris Woolf On 03/01/2019 16:51, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: > In article <4D6035FE-B6C1-434B-A8D4-30B349F56B5A at btinternet.com>, > Roger E Long via Tech1 wrote: >> Azimuth had to be spot on for the studio transfer machine, this rarely >> was achieved Dolby C was merely two Dolby B chips back to back, not >> Dolby SR as it should have been. > > I'd guess SR might have been just too complex to fit to the portable > machines? Apart from cost, obviously. > --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From relong at btinternet.com Thu Jan 3 12:17:32 2019 From: relong at btinternet.com (Roger E Long) Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2019 18:17:32 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Can I take you back to the summer of 1986...? (photo ident question) In-Reply-To: <9C833B78-1AE1-4057-8D06-543EC08C445E@icloud.com> References: <1660488560.17030683.1546208657576.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1660488560.17030683.1546208657576@mail.yahoo.com> <50591272-7018-4C93-8B44-D08165894802@btinternet.com> <252E34D3-28F4-47AC-9E31-11B30088E32C@icloud.com> <4D6035FE-B6C1-434B-A8D4-30B349F56B5A@btinternet.com> <9C833B78-1AE1-4057-8D06-543EC08C445E@icloud.com> Message-ID: When I did the Only Fools and Horses with Tony Dow We shot mainly in Bristol, on film ,but first time Foster PD4 for me 2 weeks into filming the 6 week show, Gareth the producer spoke to me on the crew dining bus. We can?t get any sound from your tapes Rog? Technicolor Labs cant transfer it . I protested, I had listened to the confidence head for all of the shoot, it was all there The tapes came back to me ,and they all played fine on my machine Technicolor had Sony Transfer machines, they had a different TC arrangement to Foster and different head azimuth It took 2 weeks for the info to reach me,I was dumbfounded, Tony said we knew it would be alright Rog Such confidence amazed me I eventually had 4 replacement PD4s before they got it right. Production always assumed it would work out, but the chain of command and control was obviously feeble Thus Dolby C indifference. I hear duff transfers all the time on archive, also dubbing mixers were out of the loop A fundamental error we still suffer from. Roger > On 3 Jan 2019, at 17:37, Graeme Wall wrote: > > Could explain why the location guys never complained :-) Never had any complaints from production either though. > ? > Graeme Wall > > >> On 3 Jan 2019, at 16:01, Roger E Long wrote: >> >> Azimuth had to be spot on for the studio transfer machine, this rarely was achieved >> Dolby C was merely two Dolby B chips back to back, not Dolby SR as it should have been. >> >>> On 3 Jan 2019, at 10:30, Graeme Wall wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>> On 3 Jan 2019, at 10:21, Roger E Long via Tech1 wrote: >>>> >>>> We hated the BVU50/110 in Film Unit >>>> We likened video to 2 sacks of coal tied together by a rope! >>>> However the studio boys were glad to get out and about and see daylight >>>> Beta SP looked better until we discovered Dolby C miss tracking ruined our audio >>> >>> Interesting, don?t recall having that problem with ours. I used BVP300s and 400s right up to, and a bit after, the launch of Digi-beta and never had a recordist complain. >>> >>> ? >>> Graeme Wall >> > From graeme.wall at icloud.com Thu Jan 3 12:54:08 2019 From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall) Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2019 18:54:08 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Can I take you back to the summer of 1986...? (photo ident question) In-Reply-To: References: <1660488560.17030683.1546208657576.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1660488560.17030683.1546208657576@mail.yahoo.com> <50591272-7018-4C93-8B44-D08165894802@btinternet.com> <252E34D3-28F4-47AC-9E31-11B30088E32C@icloud.com> <4D6035FE-B6C1-434B-A8D4-30B349F56B5A@btinternet.com> <9C833B78-1AE1-4057-8D06-543EC08C445E@icloud.com> Message-ID: <31B88710-C1E1-4EAD-90D0-5E780400FDDF@icloud.com> Don?t you just love standardisation! ? Graeme Wall > On 3 Jan 2019, at 18:17, Roger E Long wrote: > > When I did the Only Fools and Horses with Tony Dow > We shot mainly in Bristol, on film ,but first time Foster PD4 for me > 2 weeks into filming the 6 week show, Gareth the producer spoke to me on the crew dining bus. > We can?t get any sound from your tapes Rog? > Technicolor Labs cant transfer it . > I protested, I had listened to the confidence head for all of the shoot, it was all there > The tapes came back to me ,and they all played fine on my machine > Technicolor had Sony Transfer machines, they had a different TC arrangement to Foster and different head azimuth > It took 2 weeks for the info to reach me,I was dumbfounded, Tony said we knew it would be alright Rog > Such confidence amazed me > I eventually had 4 replacement PD4s before they got it right. > Production always assumed it would work out, but the chain of command and control was obviously feeble > Thus Dolby C indifference. > I hear duff transfers all the time on archive, also dubbing mixers were out of the loop > A fundamental error we still suffer from. > Roger > >> On 3 Jan 2019, at 17:37, Graeme Wall wrote: >> >> Could explain why the location guys never complained :-) Never had any complaints from production either though. >> ? >> Graeme Wall >> >> >>> On 3 Jan 2019, at 16:01, Roger E Long wrote: >>> >>> Azimuth had to be spot on for the studio transfer machine, this rarely was achieved >>> Dolby C was merely two Dolby B chips back to back, not Dolby SR as it should have been. >>> >>>> On 3 Jan 2019, at 10:30, Graeme Wall wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> On 3 Jan 2019, at 10:21, Roger E Long via Tech1 wrote: >>>>> >>>>> We hated the BVU50/110 in Film Unit >>>>> We likened video to 2 sacks of coal tied together by a rope! >>>>> However the studio boys were glad to get out and about and see daylight >>>>> Beta SP looked better until we discovered Dolby C miss tracking ruined our audio >>>> >>>> Interesting, don?t recall having that problem with ours. I used BVP300s and 400s right up to, and a bit after, the launch of Digi-beta and never had a recordist complain. >>>> >>>> ? >>>> Graeme Wall >>> >> > From rogerbunce at btinternet.com Thu Jan 3 13:31:04 2019 From: rogerbunce at btinternet.com (ROGER BUNCE) Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2019 19:31:04 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Tech1] Pachelbel's Canon in D References: <1138213941.19647639.1546543864258.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1138213941.19647639.1546543864258@mail.yahoo.com> Nothing technical or operational - but calling all fans of John Finnemore ("Cabin Pressure" etc.) There's a singularly brilliant episode of "John Finnemore's Souvenir Programme" on today - Radio 4 Extra and 22.00 hrs tonight (also available on BBC iPlayer) - in which John Finnemore sings the words to Pachelbel's Canon in D, from the viewpoint of a composer who is fed up with being remembered as a one-hit wonder. A work of genius! luv, Rog. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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TeaTeaFN - Tony On Thu, Jan 3, 2019 at 4:22 PM Bernard Newnham via Tech1 < tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote: > I had sort of forgotten - I still have one of the VX1000 kits stashed away > here. > > When the series was over, Chris and his colleagues took their gear home, > and we loaded a ragbag of stuff we had picked up from around the place into > our Toyota Previa and gave it back to those we had borrowed it from - apart > from the DV kits. > > After everyone agreed that the VX1000 was going to be the camera of choice > on the show, all the tech stuff fixing was left to me, including buying > what was needed. We had money from a special development unit, but I had to > pick the gear. I spent a good bit of time looking around for suitable > tripods, mics, adaptors, boxes etc. I wanted the cameras well protected but > not heavy, and the wheely cases came from a shop in Oxford Street. We had > problems sourcing the cameras - they were brand new and much in demand. BBC > Engineering Purchasing didn't want to know us, so we were on our own. I was > in HiWay HiFi in Tottenham Court Road playing with various tripods, and > actually found a usable one. > "I'll take three of these" I said. > "Why on earth do you want three?" > So I explained, and explained about the difficulty of getting cameras. > "How many?" > "Three" > "Leave it with us". > I think they were grey imports, I never asked. Later we had problems > getting tapes and batteries, and HiWay Hifi delivered. In fact they > couriered tapes to us in Alnwick as they got them. BBC Production suddenly > had a new way of getting stuff on programme budgets, and their van made > many many deliveries to White City dispatch. > > Meanwhile I went to Nigel at Richmond Film Services and consulted him on > sound gear, as no-one at TC wanted to know. Nigel was at first a little > sniffy (ex Ealing sound man), but soon got enthusiastic and helped > enormously, showing me round, making suggestions, then selling us gun mics > (Sennheiser K6/ME66) and Sony ECM somethings. He later rented us our radio > mics. > > So I put together the kits, cutting foam from an Addlestone shop to fit, > using an electric carving knife. Here it is - > > > > A few empty slots, but the gear is all here. Does the camera still work? > Don't know, I'm charging a battery (hopefully) > > So, after the show was done, the three kits ended up here on the floor for > some weeks. The department that had financed them had no use for them, > until later they opened the Digilab at TC. Two of the kits went there and > sat on a shelf. The third I insisted on keeping, and it did a lot more > work. I made two half hour documentaries and a lot of shorter films before > the cameras were really out of date. Here's a man stacking up discs of plastic > explosive on a live 1000lb bomb > > > > On the last day of filming on that show, we were invited to record part of > the 100th anniversary dinner of the Royal Engineer bomb disposal regiment > at a barracks on Salisbury Plane. During the afternoon the pictures from > the camera assumed a strange green tint. We were a long way from help, and > there wasn't going to be retakes. After much fiddling, I hit the thing, and > it worked correctly again, and ever since. > > By that time I had designed the killer app of the VX1000 era. If you're > doing fly on the wall, you have to go from "just one of the chaps in camo" > to recording very quickly and as unobtrusively as possible. An adapted > flash gun attachment, a Beech Box sound adaptor, Sennheiser mic and a pair > of cans. Radio mic on the other channel as required. > > > > Chris is right - it had it's ergonomic irritations, but at that time there > was nothing to beat it in that area. > > B > > > On 02/01/2019 22:04, Chris Eames via Tech1 wrote: > > What do I remember of Morning Surgery? > > The show was rather thrown at me, I was down to do a camera/EM stint on Animal Hospital, but KA politics intervened! > Morning Surgery was planned by a Manchester EM, I can't remember who it was. The kit was 2 of KA's elderly Sony BVP 70's with PSC backs, which allowed us to plug in a multiway cable to allow us to control exposure etc. from the trolley that Bernie mentioned. Fortunately,, I had a good sparks, but a very basic kit. No gels had been ordered, and I had to send an SOS to KA for a supply. The second cameraman was Bob Everett ( now unfortunately in poor health, living in a nursing home in Ilfracombe) > I remember that the first shoot that I did with the VX 1000 was part of the infamous hernia op. We had taken all our kit down to the theatre the night before the shoot, and spent an hour or so swabbing it down with disinfectant to sterilise it, and left it in the theatre ready to use next morning. Calling in at the prod. Office to say goodbye, we were informed that the plan had changed, and they wanted to interview the patient in the ward before the op. After I had explained the impossibility of moving the now sterile cameras, I suggested that I do the shoot on a VX 1000. Bernie duly gave me one, I took a Trinitron Colour monitor from the kit, went back to our digs, and spent an evening learning and fiddling with the camera. I think that the only thing that I changed on the camera was to reduce the saturation slightly. > The next morning we duly shot in the ward on the VX, and I finished the shoot with the presenter walking out of shot, right, in a long shot. We then went into theatre and recorded the aforementioned operation. After that we went back to the ward, and the next shot was the presenter entering from left in MS, to be cut onto the VX shot. > I must admit that at this stage in the series l was more fascinated by the editing process, which I did not normally have chance to watch firsthand, usually my tapes were handed to production at the end of the shoot, and the next that I saw of my efforts was usually at home on my own TV. > After we finished shooting I went to the edit suite to see the finished cut. Vivienne Parry, the presenter duly walked out of the wide shot into the MS . My first remark to the editor was how well he had matched it. His reply was that he hadn't touched it! It was just as he had received it. Looking closely you could just see an improvement in definition, and a slight reduction in noise on the second picture, nothing that a normal viewer would notice. > I am unsure how much effect the programme had on KA management. 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URL: From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Thu Jan 3 16:11:02 2019 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2019 22:11:02 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Nigel In-Reply-To: References: <01BB9048-4636-4716-9619-5C6B47068A10@btinternet.com> <8c1ea282-e949-9734-c01a-48fa7dce8a58@gmail.com> Message-ID: Retired from TVC on medical grounds (bad back) and was seen carrying a 'portable' 1" recorder through Lime Grove courtyard outside the wonderful 'Smith's Bar'. Someone remarked that the only back problem he had was the yellow stripe down it! Cheers, Dave From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Thu Jan 3 16:26:18 2019 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2019 22:26:18 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Home Message-ID: So, here I am back at home home after an eight day stay with my daughter in lovely Somerset, lots of good food and wine, pleasant company, etc. and a trouble free drive back today (even passing Stonehenge at 60 mph for the first time ever!). So what do I find when I get back to my frozen house? A boiler which was working perfectly when I left won't light, the batteries in the PC mouse had self-discharged, the central heating 'Miniminder' programmer wouldn't work until I changed the battery, the lower half-oven tripped the RCD when I turned it on to warm the plates, my broadband cockpit program won't find any mains adapters in the system despite re-installing them all..... and so it goes on! When we moved in in 1973 we had one fan heater and two open coal fires plus a smokey Raeburn for the hot water. Now we have two great gas fires, another ceramic fan heater, electric blankets and an immersion heater for hot water. My wife thinks we are at death's door! I say, think about the refugees in the Syrian mountains with none of our facilities. A Happy New Year to you All! Cheers, Dave From relong at btinternet.com Thu Jan 3 16:33:18 2019 From: relong at btinternet.com (Roger E Long) Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2019 22:33:18 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Nigel In-Reply-To: References: <01BB9048-4636-4716-9619-5C6B47068A10@btinternet.com> <8c1ea282-e949-9734-c01a-48fa7dce8a58@gmail.com> Message-ID: <225FC834-3611-416F-B52C-87A0D4BB5855@btinternet.com> Thats a bit harsh Nigel transferred to TFS as a Sound Assistant Bought a fire damaged Nagra and started Richmond Film Services, recently disbanded One of the best dry hire Sound houses in the UK. > On 3 Jan 2019, at 22:11, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: > > Retired from TVC on medical grounds (bad back) and was seen carrying a 'portable' 1" recorder through Lime Grove courtyard outside the wonderful 'Smith's Bar'. Someone remarked that the only back problem he had was the yellow stripe down it! Cheers, Dave > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From waresound at msn.com Thu Jan 3 16:52:01 2019 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2019 22:52:01 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Can I take you back to the summer of 1986...? (photo ident question) In-Reply-To: References: <1660488560.17030683.1546208657576.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1660488560.17030683.1546208657576@mail.yahoo.com> <50591272-7018-4C93-8B44-D08165894802@btinternet.com> <252E34D3-28F4-47AC-9E31-11B30088E32C@icloud.com> <4D6035FE-B6C1-434B-A8D4-30B349F56B5A@btinternet.com> <5770a970badave@davesound.co.uk>, Message-ID: Tell me if I have remembered this wrong: I seem to recall that Beta SP had, in addition to the linear analogue edge tracks, a two channel FM track with flying heads on the drum. As I recall too, the edit controller had a feature that played the linear tracks (for scrubbing) until the drum was at speed and in lock picture-wise, then switched. Those FM tracks were very much better than the linear tracks. Confirm or shoot me down in flames. The reasons why Digibeta bodies suddenly plummeted in price were twofold. Firstly, in the booming Corporate World at least, clients previously used to hiring freelancers with Beta SP, universally said ?Oh yes, by all means shoot it on Digibeta - but we won?t pay any more for it?. Sony clearly decided it would be better to sell more for less. Then, to fill the medium budget market, They produced Beta SX at well below the cost of a Digibeta. Digibeta and Beta SX were sold to some facilities companies at a knockdown price, at the same time buying back their Beta SP to crush them, thereby taking them out of circulation. Much of my work then and since has been for CBS News, who I was told took delivery of around 500 Beta SX bodies for bureaux and stringers around the World on that basis. When HD and obligatory 16x9 came along, guess where those SX bodies went. Knowing what format to buy and when has always been a quandary for freelancers. Re- DAT machines. I never got to try a Fostex PD4, but it was in 1986 that I bought a Sony PCM2000 DAT machine. That too, had an FM track for timecode. I remember thinking at the time that it would never last as long as the superbly engineered Nagras. But it did. I still have it, looking like new, and it still works perfectly. One good feature it has is a manual/auto tracking adjustment feature that made it able to reliably play tapes recorded on other machines. At a cost then of ?4200 it wasn?t cheap, but it well and truly earned its keep. Unlike some other machines, it uses NP1 batteries which are still available. Another brownie point for Sony! Cheers, Nick. Sent from my iPad On 3 Jan 2019, at 18:12, Chris Woolf via Tech1 > wrote: Sadly Beta SP was being developed before Dolby SR came to market. It was more an unfortunately timed choice than a bad one. SR ~could~ have been incorporated but the incompatibility of changing just wasn't worth it. Dolby C didn't have an integral line-up facility, and required the use of accurate calibration tapes to set everything correctly. It was entirely possible, but the poorly written service manuals didn't help - you had to have a good understanding of what needed to be achieved to get it right, because following the bizarre English was near impossible. There was also a difficulty with measuring signal levels during the alignment process. The manuals used the internal VUs, though it was also feasible to use external meters. However I watched more than one service engineer attempt the line-up using external PPMs aligned incorrectly according to frequent BBC practice - ie PPM4 = -8dB VU. Nothing was going to track if you tried that. Azimuth was important, but not that hard to get right. Betacam guided tape very well, so passage over the audio heads was very stable. Chris Woolf On 03/01/2019 16:51, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: In article <4D6035FE-B6C1-434B-A8D4-30B349F56B5A at btinternet.com>, Roger E Long via Tech1 > wrote: Azimuth had to be spot on for the studio transfer machine, this rarely was achieved Dolby C was merely two Dolby B chips back to back, not Dolby SR as it should have been. I'd guess SR might have been just too complex to fit to the portable machines? Apart from cost, obviously. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Thu Jan 3 16:53:03 2019 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2019 22:53:03 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Nigel In-Reply-To: <225FC834-3611-416F-B52C-87A0D4BB5855@btinternet.com> References: <01BB9048-4636-4716-9619-5C6B47068A10@btinternet.com> <8c1ea282-e949-9734-c01a-48fa7dce8a58@gmail.com> <225FC834-3611-416F-B52C-87A0D4BB5855@btinternet.com> Message-ID: Indeed, but left most of us with a poor regard for his loyalty to the studio fodder. Cheers, Dave From crew13 at vincent68.plus.com Fri Jan 4 04:43:23 2019 From: crew13 at vincent68.plus.com (John Vincent) Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2019 10:43:23 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Nigel In-Reply-To: References: <01BB9048-4636-4716-9619-5C6B47068A10@btinternet.com> <8c1ea282-e949-9734-c01a-48fa7dce8a58@gmail.com> Message-ID: Is this the same Nigel who'd shout out the punchlines to Benny Hills warm up gags? John V On 3 Jan 2019, at 21:44, Tony Grant via Tech1 wrote: > Ex TFS Nigel? Oh no, ex TVC boom op before that, just ask him about running up towards a boom and jumping on to the platform. Didn't do it again after he missed though.......ouch! > > TeaTeaFN - Tony > > On Thu, Jan 3, 2019 at 4:22 PM Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: > I had sort of forgotten - I still have one of the VX1000 kits stashed away here. > > When the series was over, Chris and his colleagues took their gear home, and we loaded a ragbag of stuff we had picked up from around the place into our Toyota Previa and gave it back to those we had borrowed it from - apart from the DV kits. > > After everyone agreed that the VX1000 was going to be the camera of choice on the show, all the tech stuff fixing was left to me, including buying what was needed. We had money from a special development unit, but I had to pick the gear. I spent a good bit of time looking around for suitable tripods, mics, adaptors, boxes etc. I wanted the cameras well protected but not heavy, and the wheely cases came from a shop in Oxford Street. We had problems sourcing the cameras - they were brand new and much in demand. BBC Engineering Purchasing didn't want to know us, so we were on our own. I was in HiWay HiFi in Tottenham Court Road playing with various tripods, and actually found a usable one. > "I'll take three of these" I said. > "Why on earth do you want three?" > So I explained, and explained about the difficulty of getting cameras. > "How many?" > "Three" > "Leave it with us". > I think they were grey imports, I never asked. Later we had problems getting tapes and batteries, and HiWay Hifi delivered. In fact they couriered tapes to us in Alnwick as they got them. BBC Production suddenly had a new way of getting stuff on programme budgets, and their van made many many deliveries to White City dispatch. > > Meanwhile I went to Nigel at Richmond Film Services and consulted him on sound gear, as no-one at TC wanted to know. Nigel was at first a little sniffy (ex Ealing sound man), but soon got enthusiastic and helped enormously, showing me round, making suggestions, then selling us gun mics (Sennheiser K6/ME66) and Sony ECM somethings. He later rented us our radio mics. > > So I put together the kits, cutting foam from an Addlestone shop to fit, using an electric carving knife. Here it is - > > <1.jpg> <2.jpg> > > A few empty slots, but the gear is all here. Does the camera still work? Don't know, I'm charging a battery (hopefully) > > So, after the show was done, the three kits ended up here on the floor for some weeks. The department that had financed them had no use for them, until later they opened the Digilab at TC. Two of the kits went there and sat on a shelf. The third I insisted on keeping, and it did a lot more work. I made two half hour documentaries and a lot of shorter films before the cameras were really out of date. Here's a man stacking up discs of plastic explosive on a live 1000lb bomb > > > > On the last day of filming on that show, we were invited to record part of the 100th anniversary dinner of the Royal Engineer bomb disposal regiment at a barracks on Salisbury Plane. During the afternoon the pictures from the camera assumed a strange green tint. We were a long way from help, and there wasn't going to be retakes. After much fiddling, I hit the thing, and it worked correctly again, and ever since. > > By that time I had designed the killer app of the VX1000 era. If you're doing fly on the wall, you have to go from "just one of the chaps in camo" to recording very quickly and as unobtrusively as possible. An adapted flash gun attachment, a Beech Box sound adaptor, Sennheiser mic and a pair of cans. Radio mic on the other channel as required. > > <3.jpg> > > Chris is right - it had it's ergonomic irritations, but at that time there was nothing to beat it in that area. > > B > > > On 02/01/2019 22:04, Chris Eames via Tech1 wrote: >> What do I remember of Morning Surgery? >> >> The show was rather thrown at me, I was down to do a camera/EM stint on Animal Hospital, but KA politics intervened! >> Morning Surgery was planned by a Manchester EM, I can't remember who it was. The kit was 2 of KA's elderly Sony BVP 70's with PSC backs, which allowed us to plug in a multiway cable to allow us to control exposure etc. from the trolley that Bernie mentioned. Fortunately,, I had a good sparks, but a very basic kit. No gels had been ordered, and I had to send an SOS to KA for a supply. The second cameraman was Bob Everett ( now unfortunately in poor health, living in a nursing home in Ilfracombe) >> I remember that the first shoot that I did with the VX 1000 was part of the infamous hernia op. We had taken all our kit down to the theatre the night before the shoot, and spent an hour or so swabbing it down with disinfectant to sterilise it, and left it in the theatre ready to use next morning. Calling in at the prod. Office to say goodbye, we were informed that the plan had changed, and they wanted to interview the patient in the ward before the op. After I had explained the impossibility of moving the now sterile cameras, I suggested that I do the shoot on a VX 1000. Bernie duly gave me one, I took a Trinitron Colour monitor from the kit, went back to our digs, and spent an evening learning and fiddling with the camera. I think that the only thing that I changed on the camera was to reduce the saturation slightly. >> The next morning we duly shot in the ward on the VX, and I finished the shoot with the presenter walking out of shot, right, in a long shot. We then went into theatre and recorded the aforementioned operation. After that we went back to the ward, and the next shot was the presenter entering from left in MS, to be cut onto the VX shot. >> I must admit that at this stage in the series l was more fascinated by the editing process, which I did not normally have chance to watch firsthand, usually my tapes were handed to production at the end of the shoot, and the next that I saw of my efforts was usually at home on my own TV. >> After we finished shooting I went to the edit suite to see the finished cut. Vivienne Parry, the presenter duly walked out of the wide shot into the MS . My first remark to the editor was how well he had matched it. His reply was that he hadn't touched it! It was just as he had received it. Looking closely you could just see an improvement in definition, and a slight reduction in noise on the second picture, nothing that a normal viewer would notice. >> I am unsure how much effect the programme had on KA management. Subsequently, they purchased a number of VX cameras ( or their successors), which were used on early BBC 3 programmes. The pictures were fine, but ergonomically they were difficult to operate to a professional standard on anything but the simplest shots, fine for producers who understood their limitations, but they were rare as hen's teeth. The other problem was the head life of the recorder, designed for domestic use they lasted a very short time. Buying a new one was cheaper than repairing them, so we finished up with lots of cameras marked as 'use with external recorder only'. >> Sorry this is a bit long winded, must be bedtime! >> >> Chris Eames >> > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From keithwicksuk at gmail.com Fri Jan 4 18:04:00 2019 From: keithwicksuk at gmail.com (Keith Wicks) Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2019 00:04:00 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] In the dark Message-ID: In recent months, I've noticed more and more dramas with scenes that appear to have been made in the gloom. I suspect that this is an attempt to cut costs by making do with sensitive modern cameras' ability to capture some sort of picture in the gloom and thus do away with the need for expensive lighting and the associated equipment and technical staff. And this technique seems to be thought of as a modern style, and thus acceptable, or even progressive. But the words that come to my mind are cheap and amateurish. My wife complained of this technique while watching a recent episode of Luther, and she mentioned "this modern style of gloomy pictures". Others are complaining too and, for now at least, the BBC has no comment. See: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-46750532 Any comments from members of this group? And does anyone know why this is happening? KW -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From geoffletch at gmail.com Sat Jan 5 02:30:56 2019 From: geoffletch at gmail.com (Geoff Fletcher) Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2019 08:30:56 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] In the dark In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Agreed. I thought Luther was particularly bad in this respect. Even the scenes in the police offices seemed way under lit. My wife also commented on this (ex LWT and Anglia Make Up). I was discussing this in the pub yesterday with Mike Hudson and Spencer Chapman and they were of the same opinion. Geoff F On Sat, 5 Jan 2019 at 00:04, Keith Wicks via Tech1 wrote: > In recent months, I've noticed more and more dramas with scenes that > appear to have been made in the gloom. I suspect that this is an attempt to > cut costs by making do with sensitive modern cameras' ability to capture > some sort of picture in the gloom and thus do away with the need for > expensive lighting and the associated equipment and technical staff. And > this technique seems to be thought of as a modern style, and thus > acceptable, or even progressive. But the words that come to my mind are > cheap and amateurish. > > My wife complained of this technique while watching a recent episode of > Luther, and she mentioned "this modern style of gloomy pictures". Others > are complaining too and, for now at least, the BBC has no comment. See: > > https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-46750532 > > Any comments from members of this group? And does anyone know why this is > happening? > > KW > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave at davesound.co.uk Sat Jan 5 05:43:34 2019 From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman) Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2019 11:43:34 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Tech1] In the dark In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <577194f1eddave@davesound.co.uk> 'Mighty moody matey' does rather describe it. Although I did enjoy working out all the locations close to me. Including Tooting Lido. Also the same rather muffled dialogue that is so popular these days. Made be laugh that the phone stuff was very much brighter than the main dialogue. And then in, I think Ep1, (which I watched via i-player or whatever just before Ep 2 'live') the closing music absolutely crashing in way louder than anything else in the prog. In article , Geoff Fletcher via Tech1 wrote: > Agreed. I thought Luther was particularly bad in this respect. Even the > scenes in the police offices seemed way under lit. My wife also commented > on this (ex LWT and Anglia Make Up). I was discussing this in the pub > yesterday with Mike Hudson and Spencer Chapman and they were of the same > opinion. > Geoff F > On Sat, 5 Jan 2019 at 00:04, Keith Wicks via Tech1 > wrote: > > In recent months, I've noticed more and more dramas with scenes that > > appear to have been made in the gloom. I suspect that this is an attempt to > > cut costs by making do with sensitive modern cameras' ability to capture > > some sort of picture in the gloom and thus do away with the need for > > expensive lighting and the associated equipment and technical staff. And > > this technique seems to be thought of as a modern style, and thus > > acceptable, or even progressive. But the words that come to my mind are > > cheap and amateurish. > > > > My wife complained of this technique while watching a recent episode of > > Luther, and she mentioned "this modern style of gloomy pictures". Others > > are complaining too and, for now at least, the BBC has no comment. See: > > > > https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-46750532 > > > > Any comments from members of this group? And does anyone know why this is > > happening? > > > > KW > > > > -- > > Tech1 mailing list > > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- *When it rains, why don't sheep shrink? * Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From ian.hillson at gmail.com Sat Jan 5 08:44:32 2019 From: ian.hillson at gmail.com (Ian H) Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2019 14:44:32 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] In the dark In-Reply-To: <577194f1eddave@davesound.co.uk> References: <577194f1eddave@davesound.co.uk> Message-ID: Twitter was awash: "Did #luther just go from the middle of the night to the middle of the day?" "So #luther went in in the dead of night then came out in broad daylight ! Impressive". Even Daily Mirror viewers noticed: https://www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/luther-fans-slam-epic-blunder-13814882 I On Sat, Jan 5, 2019 at 11:46 AM Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: > 'Mighty moody matey' does rather describe it. Although I did enjoy working > out all the locations close to me. Including Tooting Lido. > > Also the same rather muffled dialogue that is so popular these days. Made > be laugh that the phone stuff was very much brighter than the main > dialogue. And then in, I think Ep1, (which I watched via i-player or > whatever just before Ep 2 'live') the closing music absolutely crashing in > way louder than anything else in the prog. > > > In article > , > Geoff Fletcher via Tech1 wrote: > > Agreed. I thought Luther was particularly bad in this respect. Even the > > scenes in the police offices seemed way under lit. My wife also commented > > on this (ex LWT and Anglia Make Up). I was discussing this in the pub > > yesterday with Mike Hudson and Spencer Chapman and they were of the same > > opinion. > > Geoff F > > > On Sat, 5 Jan 2019 at 00:04, Keith Wicks via Tech1 > > > wrote: > > > > In recent months, I've noticed more and more dramas with scenes that > > > appear to have been made in the gloom. I suspect that this is an > attempt to > > > cut costs by making do with sensitive modern cameras' ability to > capture > > > some sort of picture in the gloom and thus do away with the need for > > > expensive lighting and the associated equipment and technical staff. > And > > > this technique seems to be thought of as a modern style, and thus > > > acceptable, or even progressive. But the words that come to my mind are > > > cheap and amateurish. > > > > > > My wife complained of this technique while watching a recent episode of > > > Luther, and she mentioned "this modern style of gloomy pictures". > Others > > > are complaining too and, for now at least, the BBC has no comment. See: > > > > > > https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-46750532 > > > > > > Any comments from members of this group? And does anyone know why this > is > > > happening? > > > > > > KW > > > > > > -- > > > Tech1 mailing list > > > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > > > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > > > > -- > *When it rains, why don't sheep shrink? * > > Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From clivegulliver2 at talktalk.net Sat Jan 5 12:14:04 2019 From: clivegulliver2 at talktalk.net (Clive Gulliver) Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2019 18:14:04 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] In the dark In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <89F3729FDCCB4941BED5C1838262639C@CliveHP> At least we weren?t subjected to ?wrong side framing? as in the first series ! Clive G From: Geoff Fletcher via Tech1 Sent: Saturday, January 5, 2019 8:30 AM To: Keith Wicks Cc: tech1 Subject: Re: [Tech1] In the dark Agreed. I thought Luther was particularly bad in this respect. Even the scenes in the police offices seemed way under lit. My wife also commented on this (ex LWT and Anglia Make Up). I was discussing this in the pub yesterday with Mike Hudson and Spencer Chapman and they were of the same opinion. Geoff F On Sat, 5 Jan 2019 at 00:04, Keith Wicks via Tech1 wrote: In recent months, I've noticed more and more dramas with scenes that appear to have been made in the gloom. I suspect that this is an attempt to cut costs by making do with sensitive modern cameras' ability to capture some sort of picture in the gloom and thus do away with the need for expensive lighting and the associated equipment and technical staff. And this technique seems to be thought of as a modern style, and thus acceptable, or even progressive. But the words that come to my mind are cheap and amateurish. My wife complained of this technique while watching a recent episode of Luther, and she mentioned "this modern style of gloomy pictures". Others are complaining too and, for now at least, the BBC has no comment. See: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-46750532 Any comments from members of this group? And does anyone know why this is happening? 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Sent from my iPad On 5 Jan 2019, at 18:14, Clive Gulliver via Tech1 > wrote: At least we weren?t subjected to ?wrong side framing? as in the first series ! Clive G From: Geoff Fletcher via Tech1 Sent: Saturday, January 5, 2019 8:30 AM To: Keith Wicks Cc: tech1 Subject: Re: [Tech1] In the dark Agreed. I thought Luther was particularly bad in this respect. Even the scenes in the police offices seemed way under lit. My wife also commented on this (ex LWT and Anglia Make Up). I was discussing this in the pub yesterday with Mike Hudson and Spencer Chapman and they were of the same opinion. Geoff F On Sat, 5 Jan 2019 at 00:04, Keith Wicks via Tech1 wrote: In recent months, I've noticed more and more dramas with scenes that appear to have been made in the gloom. I suspect that this is an attempt to cut costs by making do with sensitive modern cameras' ability to capture some sort of picture in the gloom and thus do away with the need for expensive lighting and the associated equipment and technical staff. And this technique seems to be thought of as a modern style, and thus acceptable, or even progressive. But the words that come to my mind are cheap and amateurish. My wife complained of this technique while watching a recent episode of Luther, and she mentioned "this modern style of gloomy pictures". Others are complaining too and, for now at least, the BBC has no comment. See: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-46750532 Any comments from members of this group? And does anyone know why this is happening? KW -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk ________________________________ -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From geoffreyhawkes at btinternet.com Sat Jan 5 17:09:51 2019 From: geoffreyhawkes at btinternet.com (Geoff Hawkes) Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2019 23:09:51 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] In the dark In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <001e01d4a54b$c3654070$4a2fc150$@btinternet.com> I?m so glad that Keith and Geoff F commented on the unlit scenes in Luther. I was of the same opinion and going to post the message below on Twitter, till I thought, ?What?s the point and will it make any difference?? I think the idea began with Wolf Hall when the ?highly acclaimed? director whose name I rejoice to say I can?t remember, though sadly it will come back to me, chose to shoot some of the interior night scenes lit solely by candlelight, claiming that it added authenticity. I remember a talk given by Phil Ward to our group of trainees on the basic principles of lighting for television. He said that in an everyday situation a single light in the centre of the room was sufficient but it simply wouldn?t work in producing good pictures and he went on to explain why. I think the current generation of directors should be given a similar talk, not to limit their creativity but to help them avoid basic mistakes in the name of creativity. In the case of Luther it wouldn?t do any harm if they sat down with a group of our wives and let them say what they think about the nonsense of what they were seeing. Anyway, here?s what I was going to post on Twitter though I?d have to watch the word count. A letter to Radio Times might serve more purpose, especially if a number of us wrote in too: ?#Luther The unlit night scenes in Luther?s house (episode 2) were a mistake and made the pictures hard to read. In life our irises would open up to let us see the detail, wheres that doesn?t happen when looking at a tv screen. Low key dramatic lighting shouldn?t be entirely dark or it simply doesn?t work as we can?t see what?s going on. The director was no doubt copying the style of the candlelit scenes in Wolf Hall and for me it didn?t work there either for the same reason.? Geoff From: Tech1 [mailto:tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk] On Behalf Of Keith Wicks via Tech1 Sent: 05 January 2019 00:04 To: tech1 Subject: [Tech1] In the dark In recent months, I've noticed more and more dramas with scenes that appear to have been made in the gloom. I suspect that this is an attempt to cut costs by making do with sensitive modern cameras' ability to capture some sort of picture in the gloom and thus do away with the need for expensive lighting and the associated equipment and technical staff. And this technique seems to be thought of as a modern style, and thus acceptable, or even progressive. But the words that come to my mind are cheap and amateurish. My wife complained of this technique while watching a recent episode of Luther, and she mentioned "this modern style of gloomy pictures". Others are complaining too and, for now at least, the BBC has no comment. See: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-46750532 Any comments from members of this group? And does anyone know why this is happening? KW -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Sat Jan 5 17:56:48 2019 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2019 23:56:48 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] In the dark In-Reply-To: <001e01d4a54b$c3654070$4a2fc150$@btinternet.com> References: <001e01d4a54b$c3654070$4a2fc150$@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <892791c3-a8f3-8ae4-7a01-404f088caa47@btinternet.com> My wife and all her NHS retired colleagues have complained about this problem for many years - mainly to me, as a representative of the BBC! I am sick of trying to explain that all these graduates of 'Media Studies' at University haven't had the same training in real life television that we all have. It's OK to see you beloved production in a preview theatre in perfect surroundings, dimlight, hi-fi loudspeakers etc. but translate that to the average domestic living room with daylight and the kids kicking off, how can you judge the product? The very first sound desk in TVC had the ability to switch the desk output to a small loudspeaker so that the SS could judge the audibility of his output on a domestic TV. I think that the modern day producers and directors should have a similar facility to judge their creations! Cheers, Dave From mibridge at mac.com Sun Jan 6 10:07:26 2019 From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles) Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2019 16:07:26 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] In the dark In-Reply-To: <892791c3-a8f3-8ae4-7a01-404f088caa47@btinternet.com> References: <001e01d4a54b$c3654070$4a2fc150$@btinternet.com> <892791c3-a8f3-8ae4-7a01-404f088caa47@btinternet.com> Message-ID: What I have noticed several times recently is pictures that seem to be sat up, to the extent that it?s almost like looking through a mist - Only Connect, at the wall, and Luther in the basement of the psychopath?s house. Other shots in the same productions weren?t like it, so I don?t think it?s our telly. Can it possibly be deliberate? It reminds me of old black and white TV?s with no black-level clamp. Mike G > On 5 Jan 2019, at 23:56, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: > > My wife and all her NHS retired colleagues have complained about this problem for many years - mainly to me, as a representative of the BBC! I am sick of trying to explain that all these graduates of 'Media Studies' at University haven't had the same training in real life television that we all have. It's OK to see you beloved production in a preview theatre in perfect surroundings, dimlight, hi-fi loudspeakers etc. but translate that to the average domestic living room with daylight and the kids kicking off, how can you judge the product? The very first sound desk in TVC had the ability to switch the desk output to a small loudspeaker so that the SS could judge the audibility of his output on a domestic TV. I think that the modern day producers and directors should have a similar facility to judge their creations! Cheers, Dave > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From peter.neill at icloud.com Sun Jan 6 10:25:52 2019 From: peter.neill at icloud.com (Peter Neill) Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2019 16:25:52 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] In the dark In-Reply-To: References: <001e01d4a54b$c3654070$4a2fc150$@btinternet.com> <892791c3-a8f3-8ae4-7a01-404f088caa47@btinternet.com> Message-ID: I remember Ian Tomlin reporting that he?d asked in a TV shop if any of their models had black level clamp. He was told ?Oh no, sir. All our sets have legs.? We?ve recently discovered ?Detective Anna? on Amazon Prime. It?s a Russian costume drama - in Russian, with subtitles. The subtitles are in badly-translated American, but it?s still quite watchable. I think it?s multi-camera with live sound and we both remarked that the dark scenes are lit to look dark?just like we used to do it. Sent from my iPhone. Apologies for typos and autocorruptions. > On 6 Jan 2019, at 16:07, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: > > What I have noticed several times recently is pictures that seem to be sat up, to the extent that it?s almost like looking through a mist - Only Connect, at the wall, and Luther in the basement of the psychopath?s house. Other shots in the same productions weren?t like it, so I don?t think it?s our telly. Can it possibly be deliberate? It reminds me of old black and white TV?s with no black-level clamp. > > Mike G > >> On 5 Jan 2019, at 23:56, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: >> >> My wife and all her NHS retired colleagues have complained about this problem for many years - mainly to me, as a representative of the BBC! I am sick of trying to explain that all these graduates of 'Media Studies' at University haven't had the same training in real life television that we all have. It's OK to see you beloved production in a preview theatre in perfect surroundings, dimlight, hi-fi loudspeakers etc. but translate that to the average domestic living room with daylight and the kids kicking off, how can you judge the product? The very first sound desk in TVC had the ability to switch the desk output to a small loudspeaker so that the SS could judge the audibility of his output on a domestic TV. I think that the modern day producers and directors should have a similar facility to judge their creations! Cheers, Dave >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From dave at davesound.co.uk Sun Jan 6 18:41:56 2019 From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman) Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2019 00:41:56 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Tech1] In the dark In-Reply-To: <892791c3-a8f3-8ae4-7a01-404f088caa47@btinternet.com> References: <001e01d4a54b$c3654070$4a2fc150$@btinternet.com> <892791c3-a8f3-8ae4-7a01-404f088caa47@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <5772600af8dave@davesound.co.uk> In article <892791c3-a8f3-8ae4-7a01-404f088caa47 at btinternet.com>, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: > My wife and all her NHS retired colleagues have complained about this > problem for many years - mainly to me, as a representative of the BBC! I > am sick of trying to explain that all these graduates of 'Media Studies' > at University haven't had the same training in real life television that > we all have. It's OK to see you beloved production in a preview theatre > in perfect surroundings, dimlight, hi-fi loudspeakers etc. but translate > that to the average domestic living room with daylight and the kids > kicking off, how can you judge the product? The very first sound desk in > TVC had the ability to switch the desk output to a small loudspeaker so > that the SS could judge the audibility of his output on a domestic TV. I > think that the modern day producers and directors should have a similar > facility to judge their creations! Cheers, Dave I was listening on LS 5/7, Dave. In a pretty quiet room too. Not much light in the room either as those speakers pretty well block the windows. ;-) Since the BBC no longer design their own speakers, I'm wondering if dubbing suites are now use commercial ones with a vast excess of 'top' Which would account for the woolly dialogue. Oh - before anyone says it's my old ears, I don't find R4 dialogue listened to from FreeView at home - so over exactly the same domestic chain - woolly. Ever. -- *If love is blind, why is lingerie so popular? * Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From neil at dormand.eclipse.co.uk Mon Jan 7 07:08:15 2019 From: neil at dormand.eclipse.co.uk (Neil Dormand) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2019 13:08:15 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] 1984 email Message-ID: Times have changed. A Thames programme from 1984 demonstrating prestel. Here Neil -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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A Thames programme from 1984 demonstrating >> prestel. Here >> >> >> Neil >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bernie833 at gmail.com Mon Jan 7 14:48:20 2019 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2019 20:48:20 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: PRESTEL Etc In-Reply-To: <700ee596-83bd-4d88-a054-c06be1bdd996@me.com> References: <700ee596-83bd-4d88-a054-c06be1bdd996@me.com> Message-ID: <427f7491-4a6f-97e2-92ca-256c30a703d5@gmail.com> -------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: PRESTEL Etc Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2019 16:37:22 GMT From: William Nuttall To: Bernard Newnham Hi Bernie, Interesting item on PRESTEL. One of the manufacturers of PRESTEL equipment as ?one off's was an ex BBC Manchester Video Engineer. He was the?chap who designed the BALDWIN BOX. I think he was called MIKE?BALDWIN. When TOTP moved to London there was some interest in his?effects Box but he had not had the amount of time to make it 625 ?capable. Others stepped in and his Box became a bit of TV history. Mike Baldwin left the BBC. I met him again several years later when I needed an Info System for BAE at Wharton. PRESTEL was a very good cheap option. The system was used to show the status of flight test aircraft in the delivery hanger on the far side of the airfield. Mike Baldwin came up with a great system that had the advantage of COLOUR! Great for showing all the levels of the status of the pre delivery flight test aircraft. Regards Tony Nuttall -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Regards Trevor Vaisey ----- Forwarded message ----- From: Bernard Newnham via Tech1 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Sent: Monday, 7 January 2019, 21:11:15 GMTSubject: [Tech1] Fwd: PRESTEL Etc -------- Forwarded Message -------- | Subject: | PRESTEL Etc | | Date: | Mon, 07 Jan 2019 16:37:22 GMT | | From: | William Nuttall | | To: | Bernard Newnham | Hi Bernie, Interesting item on PRESTEL. One of the manufacturers of PRESTEL equipment as ?one off's was an ex BBC Manchester Video Engineer. He was the?chap who designed the BALDWIN BOX. I think he was called MIKE?BALDWIN. When TOTP moved to London there was some interest in his?effects Box but he had not had the amount of time to make it 625 ?capable. Others stepped in and his Box became a bit of TV history. Mike Baldwin left the BBC. I met him again several years later when I needed an Info System for BAE at Wharton. PRESTEL was a very good cheap option. The system was used to show the status of flight test aircraft in the delivery hanger on the far side of the airfield. Mike Baldwin came up with a great system that had the advantage of COLOUR! Great for showing all the levels of the status of the pre delivery flight test aircraft. Regards Tony Nuttall -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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If I remember rightly his name was Alan Baldwin and he and his colleagues, always wearing their customary BBC issue white coats, were often seen delving into various equipment bays at the Dickenson Road, known to all as 'Dickie Road', studio in Manchester. When Alan finally introduced his renowned effects generator into the gallery of Studio A, TOTP Producer/Director Johnnie Stewart couldn't believe his luck. Regards Trevor Vaisey -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Dickenson Road camera.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 1309777 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Dickenson Road exterior.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 1136973 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Used it on TOTP at Studio G several times on my Inlay Attachment in the mid 60?s. Geoff F On Tue, 8 Jan 2019 at 11:55, Mike Jordan via Tech1 wrote: > As in > > Wont? post the offtube one of me in the audience in about 1967 for Juke > Box Jury when there were two shows recorded in one day and audience was > moved out of the studio between and then re-seated in a different position > so it wasn?t a ?giveaway? that it was the same people! I bet that wouldn?t > happen now, just a different load of cutaways off tape! > > Mike > > *From:* TREVOR VAISEY via Tech1 > *Sent:* Tuesday, January 08, 2019 10:07 AM > *To:* Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > *Subject:* [Tech1] Fw: Fwd: PRESTEL Etc > > Hi there, > > Interesting to be reminded about the 'Baldwin Box'. If I remember rightly > his name was Alan Baldwin and he and his colleagues, always wearing their > customary BBC issue white coats, were often seen delving into various > equipment bays at the Dickenson Road, known to all as 'Dickie Road', studio > in Manchester. > When Alan finally introduced his renowned effects generator into the > gallery of Studio A, TOTP Producer/Director Johnnie Stewart couldn't > believe his luck. > > Regards > > Trevor Vaisey > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I bet that wouldn?t happen now, just a different load of cutaways off tape! > > Mike > > From: TREVOR VAISEY via Tech1 > Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2019 10:07 AM > To: Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > Subject: [Tech1] Fw: Fwd: PRESTEL Etc > > Hi there, > > Interesting to be reminded about the 'Baldwin Box'. If I remember rightly his name was Alan Baldwin and he and his colleagues, always wearing their customary BBC issue white coats, were often seen delving into various equipment bays at the Dickenson Road, known to all as 'Dickie Road', studio in Manchester. > When Alan finally introduced his renowned effects generator into the gallery of Studio A, TOTP Producer/Director Johnnie Stewart couldn't believe his luck. > > Regards > > Trevor Vaisey > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From rogerbunce at btinternet.com Wed Jan 9 04:18:18 2019 From: rogerbunce at btinternet.com (ROGER BUNCE) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2019 10:18:18 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Tech1] London Entertains References: <140520368.24404992.1547029098633.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <140520368.24404992.1547029098633@mail.yahoo.com> This may be of interest to those of a certain age (i.e. Old), especially from the London area, and anyone who could impersonate Bluebottle, before their voices broke! There's an old documentary movie (from 1951) on the 'Talking Pictures' channel, called 'London Entertains', at 09.40 hrs tomorrow. It promises a tour of the Battersea Festival Park (I'm hoping, John Howell, that it will feature the Far Tottering and Oyster Creek Branch Railway!) and a visit to a BBC Radio Studio to see a recording of the 'Goon Show'. luv, Rog. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From keithwicksuk at gmail.com Wed Jan 9 06:08:14 2019 From: keithwicksuk at gmail.com (Keith Wicks) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2019 12:08:14 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] London Entertains In-Reply-To: <140520368.24404992.1547029098633@mail.yahoo.com> References: <140520368.24404992.1547029098633.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <140520368.24404992.1547029098633@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Thanks, Roger. I certainly qualify and shall watch with interest ? in spite of the bad reviews on IMDb (see below). I saw those when I checked on the release date of the film. It was made just a few months after the first Goon Show (then called Crazy People). "Clearly the [Goons] were so keen on exposure in their early days that they didn't care what they did." "This film is so incoherent that it virtually defies description..." "Do not expect much entertainment from this film but if you are of an age to remember the people in it and the places they show, you may find it worth looking at once for memories of your younger days!" As a London schoolboy, I was in a choir that was auditioned for the festival celebrations (failed!). After the audition, we were shown around the site. Did anyone here manage to pass the audition and take part? KW On Wed, 9 Jan 2019 at 10:19, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 wrote: > This may be of interest to those of a certain age (i.e. Old), especially > from the London area, and anyone who could impersonate Bluebottle, before > their voices broke! > > There's an old documentary movie (from 1951) on the 'Talking Pictures' > channel, called 'London Entertains', at 09.40 hrs tomorrow. It promises a > tour of the Battersea Festival Park (I'm hoping, John Howell, that it will > feature the Far Tottering and Oyster Creek Branch Railway!) and a visit to > a BBC Radio Studio to see a recording of the 'Goon Show'. > > luv, Rog. > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Dave Buckley --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From bernie833 at gmail.com Wed Jan 9 14:40:50 2019 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2019 20:40:50 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] London Entertains Message-ID: <801de03a-0dc1-06b7-4525-76087fcf00be@gmail.com> ForwardedMessage.eml Subject: RE: [Tech1] London Entertains From: patheigham Date: 09/01/2019, 14:26 To: Keith Wicks , ROGER BUNCE , tech1 CC: Graham Bunce I shall watch as well! Years ago, well before I thought of joining the BBC, a visit to a recording of The Goon Show was arranged for me by producer Bobby Jaye, who was the brother of one of my mother?s great friends. Having been shown the sound control of the Camden theatre, I nearly fell over Peter Sellers who was sitting on the steps, using the phone. I love Spike Milligan?s story of how he hit on Bluebottle?s voice ? from a scoutmaster who turned up and said he wanted to be a Goon! Regards Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 *From: *Keith Wicks via Tech1 *Sent: *09 January 2019 12:08 *To: *ROGER BUNCE ; tech1 *Cc: *Graham Bunce *Subject: *Re: [Tech1] London Entertains Thanks, Roger. I certainly qualify and shall watch with interest ? in spite of the bad reviews on IMDb (see below). I saw those when I checked on the release date of the film. It was made just a few months after the first Goon Show (then called Crazy People). "Clearly the [Goons] were so keen on exposure in their early days that they didn't care what they did." "This film is so incoherent that it virtually defies description..." "Do not expect much entertainment from this film but if you are of an age to remember the people in it and the places they show, you may find it worth looking at once for memories of your younger days!" As a London schoolboy, I was in a choir that was auditioned for the festival celebrations (failed!). After the audition, we were shown around the site. Did anyone here manage to pass the audition and take part? KW On Wed, 9 Jan 2019 at 10:19, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 > wrote: This may be of interest to those of a certain age (i.e. Old), especially from the London area, and anyone who could impersonate Bluebottle, before their voices broke! There's an old documentary movie (from 1951) on the 'Talking Pictures' channel, called 'London Entertains', at 09.40 hrs tomorrow. It promises a tour of the Battersea Festival Park (I'm hoping, John Howell, that it will feature the Far Tottering and Oyster Creek Branch Railway!) and a visit to a BBC Radio Studio to see a recording of the 'Goon Show'. luv, Rog. -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Wed Jan 9 14:43:37 2019 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2019 20:43:37 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Foreign films Message-ID: <1cb94dd3-8010-ef4d-8851-ec0423631ea7@btinternet.com> Many years ago when Southern TV existed they had a really good evening program showing great films with an explanation as to their origin etc. I saw one then which I have always wanted to see again (this was before I had a VHS machine!). I have just managed to download it for free and it took 9.5 hours @ 31 Kb/s! but at least I have got it now! Cheers, Dave. (PS. I have always liked foreign films as you got to see so much more in the 1950's! It drove my girlfriends mad having to go to the 'Continentale Cinema' in Nottingham to watch French films that they couldn't understand, but I knew what I wanted to see!) From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Wed Jan 9 18:35:39 2019 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2019 00:35:39 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] [SUSPECT] RE: Foreign films In-Reply-To: <5BF43868040FA5A0@rgout07.bt.lon5.cpcloud.co.uk> References: <1cb94dd3-8010-ef4d-8851-ec0423631ea7@btinternet.com> <5BF43868040FA5A0@rgout07.bt.lon5.cpcloud.co.uk> Message-ID: <3eb25b97-fdb5-7c3a-2058-858a40fb93ce@btinternet.com> 'Numero Deux' by Jean-Luc Godard! A video experiment. Cheers, Dave From rogerbunce at btinternet.com Thu Jan 10 02:53:36 2019 From: rogerbunce at btinternet.com (ROGER BUNCE) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2019 08:53:36 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Tech1] London Entertains In-Reply-To: <5c36047c.1c69fb81.17234.d644@mx.google.com> References: <140520368.24404992.1547029098633.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <140520368.24404992.1547029098633@mail.yahoo.com> <5c36047c.1c69fb81.17234.d644@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <241640771.25361903.1547110416721@mail.yahoo.com> I'm hoping for a quick dose of nostalgia, not a cinema classic! It will be interesting to see the Goons when Michael Bentine was still part of the team. I think all the audio recordings (if any) of that period have long gone. The Goons appeared in a number of atrocious films - "Down Amongst the Z Men", "The Case of the Mukinese Battle Horn" - only worth watching for one or two fleeting moments. "The Running, Jumping, Standing Still Film", however, retains a certain surreal charm. luv, Rog. On Wednesday, 9 January 2019, 14:26:06 GMT, patheigham wrote: I shall watch as well! Years ago, well before I thought of joining the BBC, a visit to a recording of The Goon Show was arranged for me by producer Bobby Jaye, who was the brother of one of my mother?s great friends. Having been shown the sound control of the Camden theatre, I nearly fell over Peter Sellers who was sitting on the steps, using the phone. I love Spike Milligan?s story of how he hit on Bluebottle?s voice ? from a scoutmaster who turned up and said he wanted to be a Goon! Regards Pat ? Sent from Mail for Windows 10 ? From: Keith Wicks via Tech1 Sent: 09 January 2019 12:08 To: ROGER BUNCE; tech1 Cc: Graham Bunce Subject: Re: [Tech1] London Entertains ? Thanks, Roger. I certainly qualify and shall watch with interest ? in spite of the bad reviews on IMDb (see below). I saw those when I checked on the release date of the film. It was made just a few months after the first Goon Show (then called Crazy People). ? "Clearly the [Goons] were so keen on exposure in their early days that they didn't care what they did." ? "This film is so incoherent that it virtually defies description..." ? "Do not expect much entertainment from this film but if you are of an age to remember the people in it and the places they show, you may find it worth looking at once for memories of your younger days!" ? As a London schoolboy, I was in a choir that was auditioned for the festival celebrations (failed!). After the audition, we were shown around the site. Did anyone here manage to pass the audition and take part? ? KW ? On Wed, 9 Jan 2019 at 10:19, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 wrote: This may be of interest to those of a certain age (i.e. Old), especially from the London area, and anyone who could impersonate Bluebottle, before their voices broke! ? There's an old documentary movie (from 1951) on the 'Talking Pictures' channel, called 'London Entertains', at 09.40 hrs tomorrow. It promises a tour of the Battersea Festival Park (I'm hoping, John Howell, that it will feature the Far Tottering and Oyster Creek Branch Railway!) and a visit to a BBC Radio Studio to see a recording of the 'Goon Show'. ? luv, Rog. -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk ? | | This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com | -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graeme.wall at icloud.com Thu Jan 10 03:47:42 2019 From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2019 09:47:42 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] London Entertains In-Reply-To: <241640771.25361903.1547110416721@mail.yahoo.com> References: <140520368.24404992.1547029098633.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <140520368.24404992.1547029098633@mail.yahoo.com> <5c36047c.1c69fb81.17234.d644@mx.google.com> <241640771.25361903.1547110416721@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <90039C37-4495-4A7C-9630-6C7499513C2E@icloud.com> Didn?t the try and revive the Goon show as a puppet series on television in the 60s? ? Graeme Wall > On 10 Jan 2019, at 08:53, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 wrote: > > I'm hoping for a quick dose of nostalgia, not a cinema classic! > > It will be interesting to see the Goons when Michael Bentine was still part of the team. I think all the audio recordings (if any) of that period have long gone. The Goons appeared in a number of atrocious films - "Down Amongst the Z Men", "The Case of the Mukinese Battle Horn" - only worth watching for one or two fleeting moments. "The Running, Jumping, Standing Still Film", however, retains a certain surreal charm. > > luv, Rog. > > > On Wednesday, 9 January 2019, 14:26:06 GMT, patheigham wrote: > > > I shall watch as well! > > Years ago, well before I thought of joining the BBC, a visit to a recording of The Goon Show was arranged for me by producer Bobby Jaye, who was the brother of one of my mother?s great friends. Having been shown the sound control of the Camden theatre, I nearly fell over Peter Sellers who was sitting on the steps, using the phone. > > I love Spike Milligan?s story of how he hit on Bluebottle?s voice ? from a scoutmaster who turned up and said he wanted to be a Goon! > > Regards > > Pat > > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > > From: Keith Wicks via Tech1 > Sent: 09 January 2019 12:08 > To: ROGER BUNCE; tech1 > Cc: Graham Bunce > Subject: Re: [Tech1] London Entertains > > > Thanks, Roger. I certainly qualify and shall watch with interest ? in spite of the bad reviews on IMDb (see below). I saw those when I checked on the release date of the film. It was made just a few months after the first Goon Show (then called Crazy People). > > > "Clearly the [Goons] were so keen on exposure in their early days that they didn't care what they did." > > > "This film is so incoherent that it virtually defies description..." > > > "Do not expect much entertainment from this film but if you are of an age to remember the people in it and the places they show, you may find it worth looking at once for memories of your younger days!" > > > As a London schoolboy, I was in a choir that was auditioned for the festival celebrations (failed!). After the audition, we were shown around the site. Did anyone here manage to pass the audition and take part? > > > KW > > > On Wed, 9 Jan 2019 at 10:19, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 wrote: > > This may be of interest to those of a certain age (i.e. Old), especially from the London area, and anyone who could impersonate Bluebottle, before their voices broke! > > > There's an old documentary movie (from 1951) on the 'Talking Pictures' channel, called 'London Entertains', at 09.40 hrs tomorrow. It promises a tour of the Battersea Festival Park (I'm hoping, John Howell, that it will feature the Far Tottering and Oyster Creek Branch Railway!) and a visit to a BBC Radio Studio to see a recording of the 'Goon Show'. > > > luv, Rog. > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > > > > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From davidvbrunt at gmail.com Thu Jan 10 04:40:28 2019 From: davidvbrunt at gmail.com (David Brunt) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2019 10:40:28 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] London Entertains In-Reply-To: <90039C37-4495-4A7C-9630-6C7499513C2E@icloud.com> References: <140520368.24404992.1547029098633.ref@mail.yahoo.com><140520368.24404992.1547029098633@mail.yahoo.com><5c36047c.1c69fb81.17234.d644@mx.google.com><241640771.25361903.1547110416721@mail.yahoo.com> <90039C37-4495-4A7C-9630-6C7499513C2E@icloud.com> Message-ID: <7DA7C22771F24C7B9B15B1ACDBCAFBD8@AdminPC> "The Telegoons", broadcast 1963-4. Various companies have been trying to release it for years but it's currently held up with rights hell, though all the films survive. -----Original Message----- From: Graeme Wall via Tech1 Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2019 9:47 AM To: ROGER BUNCE Cc: tech1 ; Graham Bunce Subject: Re: [Tech1] London Entertains Didn?t the try and revive the Goon show as a puppet series on television in the 60s? ? Graeme Wall From keithwicksuk at gmail.com Thu Jan 10 05:11:56 2019 From: keithwicksuk at gmail.com (Keith Wicks) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2019 11:11:56 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] London Entertains In-Reply-To: <241640771.25361903.1547110416721@mail.yahoo.com> References: <140520368.24404992.1547029098633.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <140520368.24404992.1547029098633@mail.yahoo.com> <5c36047c.1c69fb81.17234.d644@mx.google.com> <241640771.25361903.1547110416721@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Sorry for including the misleading bad reviews in my previous message. The film was very much worse than they implied. But I did enjoy the part from Aeolian Hall. Intriguingly, this film had apparently been "digitally remastered". Why? And what was improved? KW On Thu, 10 Jan 2019 at 08:54, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 wrote: > I'm hoping for a quick dose of nostalgia, not a cinema classic! > > It will be interesting to see the Goons when Michael Bentine was still > part of the team. I think all the audio recordings (if any) of that period > have long gone. The Goons appeared in a number of atrocious films - "Down > Amongst the Z Men", "The Case of the Mukinese Battle Horn" - only worth > watching for one or two fleeting moments. "The Running, Jumping, Standing > Still Film", however, retains a certain surreal charm. > > luv, Rog. > > On Wednesday, 9 January 2019, 14:26:06 GMT, patheigham < > patheigham at amps.net> wrote: > > I shall watch as well! > > Years ago, well before I thought of joining the BBC, a visit to a > recording of The Goon Show was arranged for me by producer Bobby Jaye, who > was the brother of one of my mother?s great friends. Having been shown the > sound control of the Camden theatre, I nearly fell over Peter Sellers who > was sitting on the steps, using the phone. > > I love Spike Milligan?s story of how he hit on Bluebottle?s voice ? from a > scoutmaster who turned up and said he wanted to be a Goon! > > Regards > > Pat > > Sent from Mail for > Windows 10 > > *From: *Keith Wicks via Tech1 > *Sent: *09 January 2019 12:08 > *To: *ROGER BUNCE ; tech1 > > *Cc: *Graham Bunce > *Subject: *Re: [Tech1] London Entertains > > Thanks, Roger. I certainly qualify and shall watch with interest ? in > spite of the bad reviews on IMDb (see below). I saw those when I checked on > the release date of the film. It was made just a few months after the first > Goon Show (then called Crazy People). > > "Clearly the [Goons] were so keen on exposure in their early days that > they didn't care what they did." > > "This film is so incoherent that it virtually defies description..." > > "Do not expect much entertainment from this film but if you are of an age > to remember the people in it and the places they show, you may find it > worth looking at once for memories of your younger days!" > > As a London schoolboy, I was in a choir that was auditioned for the > festival celebrations (failed!). After the audition, we were shown around > the site. Did anyone here manage to pass the audition and take part? > > KW > > On Wed, 9 Jan 2019 at 10:19, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 > wrote: > > This may be of interest to those of a certain age (i.e. Old), especially > from the London area, and anyone who could impersonate Bluebottle, before > their voices broke! > > There's an old documentary movie (from 1951) on the 'Talking Pictures' > channel, called 'London Entertains', at 09.40 hrs tomorrow. It promises a > tour of the Battersea Festival Park (I'm hoping, John Howell, that it will > feature the Far Tottering and Oyster Creek Branch Railway!) and a visit to > a BBC Radio Studio to see a recording of the 'Goon Show'. > > luv, Rog. > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > > > > ------------------------------ > [image: Avast logo] > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com > > > <#m_-3776359119584930642_m_-1130896352385923324_DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From patheigham at amps.net Thu Jan 10 06:00:09 2019 From: patheigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2019 12:00:09 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] London Entertains In-Reply-To: <90039C37-4495-4A7C-9630-6C7499513C2E@icloud.com> References: <140520368.24404992.1547029098633.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <140520368.24404992.1547029098633@mail.yahoo.com> <5c36047c.1c69fb81.17234.d644@mx.google.com> <241640771.25361903.1547110416721@mail.yahoo.com> <90039C37-4495-4A7C-9630-6C7499513C2E@icloud.com> Message-ID: <5c3733c9.1c69fb81.49892.acea@mx.google.com> Yes, The Telegoons ? didn?t work, as the surreal humour, audio cartoon if you like, only exists ?in the mind? (As they had it!) Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Graeme Wall via Tech1 Sent: 10 January 2019 09:48 To: ROGER BUNCE Cc: tech1; Graham Bunce Subject: Re: [Tech1] London Entertains Didn?t the try and revive the Goon show as a puppet series on television in the 60s? ? Graeme Wall --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From patheigham at amps.net Thu Jan 10 06:04:36 2019 From: patheigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2019 12:04:36 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] London Entertains In-Reply-To: References: <140520368.24404992.1547029098633.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <140520368.24404992.1547029098633@mail.yahoo.com> <5c36047c.1c69fb81.17234.d644@mx.google.com> <241640771.25361903.1547110416721@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5c3734d4.1c69fb81.10ea8.8025@mx.google.com> Not much improvement ? lots of nasty dust marks and scratches. Fun to see, though the girls? reaction laughter looked a bit forced. Sad to realise that it?s getting on for nearly 70 years ago. Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Keith Wicks via Tech1 Sent: 10 January 2019 11:12 To: ROGER BUNCE Cc: tech1; Graham Bunce Subject: Re: [Tech1] London Entertains Sorry for including the misleading bad reviews in my previous message. The film was very much worse than they implied. But I did enjoy the part from Aeolian Hall. Intriguingly, this film had apparently been "digitally remastered". Why? And what was improved? KW --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rogerbunce at btinternet.com Thu Jan 10 06:46:00 2019 From: rogerbunce at btinternet.com (ROGER BUNCE) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2019 12:46:00 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Tech1] London Entertains In-Reply-To: <5c3734d4.1c69fb81.10ea8.8025@mx.google.com> References: <140520368.24404992.1547029098633.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <140520368.24404992.1547029098633@mail.yahoo.com> <5c36047c.1c69fb81.17234.d644@mx.google.com> <241640771.25361903.1547110416721@mail.yahoo.com> <5c3734d4.1c69fb81.10ea8.8025@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <2099947084.25661178.1547124360380@mail.yahoo.com> Yep. Looks like IMDb was right all along - a truly ghastly film. I watched it shortly after recording, and fast-forwarded through most of it. I was hoping for interesting shots of the Festival of Britain, or Battersea, but there were barely any. Not a glimpse of the Far Tottering and Oyster Creek Branch Railway! And why were the Goons performing visual jokes on Radio? - must have been the audience warm-up. The only nostalgic bit was seeing dear old Dennis Main Wilson, in the days when he was a dear young Dennis Main Wilson - but looking much the same. luv, Rog. On Thursday, 10 January 2019, 12:04:39 GMT, patheigham wrote: Not much improvement ? lots of nasty dust marks and scratches. Fun to see, though the girls? reaction laughter looked a bit forced. Sad to realise that it?s getting on for nearly 70 years ago. Pat ? Sent from Mail for Windows 10 ? From: Keith Wicks via Tech1 Sent: 10 January 2019 11:12 To: ROGER BUNCE Cc: tech1; Graham Bunce Subject: Re: [Tech1] London Entertains ? Sorry for including the misleading bad reviews in my previous message. The film was very much worse than they implied. But I did enjoy the part from Aeolian Hall. Intriguingly, this film had apparently been "digitally remastered". Why? And what was improved? KW ? ? | | Virus-free. www.avast.com | -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bernie833 at gmail.com Thu Jan 10 07:57:54 2019 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2019 13:57:54 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] London Entertains In-Reply-To: <7DA7C22771F24C7B9B15B1ACDBCAFBD8@AdminPC> References: <140520368.24404992.1547029098633.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <140520368.24404992.1547029098633@mail.yahoo.com> <5c36047c.1c69fb81.17234.d644@mx.google.com> <241640771.25361903.1547110416721@mail.yahoo.com> <90039C37-4495-4A7C-9630-6C7499513C2E@icloud.com> <7DA7C22771F24C7B9B15B1ACDBCAFBD8@AdminPC> Message-ID: Though, as ever, easy to find on YouTube.? I don't know why people bother with ancient rights issues these days. B On 10/01/2019 10:40, David Brunt via Tech1 wrote: > "The Telegoons", broadcast 1963-4. > > Various companies have been trying to release it for years but it's > currently held up with rights hell, though all the films survive. > > > > -----Original Message----- From: Graeme Wall via Tech1 > Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2019 9:47 AM > To: ROGER BUNCE > Cc: tech1 ; Graham Bunce > Subject: Re: [Tech1] London Entertains > > Didn?t the try and revive the Goon show as a puppet series on > television in the 60s? > ? > Graeme Wall > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bernie833 at gmail.com Fri Jan 11 03:41:07 2019 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2019 09:41:07 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Energy prices Message-ID: <96567889-132a-fdc2-8d47-71c6c1089140@gmail.com> I was wondering, before I agree my next years contract, what people are paying per kilowatt hour for electricity and gas, and perhaps who to? Apart from enlightening me and maybe changing my decision, it might be useful data for all. cheers B -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave at davesound.co.uk Fri Jan 11 04:42:04 2019 From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2019 10:42:04 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Tech1] Energy prices In-Reply-To: <96567889-132a-fdc2-8d47-71c6c1089140@gmail.com> References: <96567889-132a-fdc2-8d47-71c6c1089140@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5774a654cbdave@davesound.co.uk> For those like me that can't be bothered or remember or know how to check for the very best deal regularly, I use Flipper. It checks for the best deal every month and if it finds a better one, it swaps companies for you. They don't take a commission from the company (which being cynical, might push them to the one which is best for them) but you do pay an annual fee for the service. They do all the paperwork including setting up the new DD etc - only thing I do have to do is read the meters when asked. I've seen another company which does the same sort of thing advertised on TV, but since Flipper has worked for me haven't investigated it. In article <96567889-132a-fdc2-8d47-71c6c1089140 at gmail.com>, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: > I was wondering, before I agree my next years contract, what people are > paying per kilowatt hour for electricity and gas, and perhaps who to? > Apart from enlightening me and maybe changing my decision, it might be > useful data for all. > cheers > B -- *OK, so what's the speed of dark? * Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From doug at puddifoot.me Fri Jan 11 05:07:16 2019 From: doug at puddifoot.me (Doug Puddifoot) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2019 11:07:16 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Energy prices Message-ID: Sign up here Bernie https://www.moneysavingexpert.com/cheapenergyclub I have used it for years and always got good deals. They continually track deals available and email you if a cheaper one comes up for you. I often worked with Martyn when he was a business reporter for breakfast news. Even then he had an encyclopedic knowledge of the consumer financial market, and solved several problems for me. A great loss to the BBC when they got rid of him, but a big gain for consumers in general. Doug From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk Fri Jan 11 05:22:42 2019 From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2019 11:22:42 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Energy prices In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: What intrigues me is that "a good deal" is always regarded as the cheapest one. I pay a little over the odds for electricity (and all sorts of other things) because I want to take other matters into consideration. For instance, is the deal realistic? A load of supply companies have gone bust this last year because they were essentially scams - they weren't charging enough, went bust, and (a lot like Trump) put the cost onto everyone else. Short term these schemes benefit whoever grabs them - long term they cost all of us more. I also want decent service. Several of the suppliers have atrocious call centre back-up. I would far rather pay a little more to avoid hanging onto the phone for 3 hours to solve incessant billing problems. And I even care a tad about the environment, and may want a supplier of things with a less gungho attitude to climate change. Paying over over-hyped prices isn't good, but as with Carillion, G4S, Ryanair and crap food, paying the cheapest price is also a very bad idea. We need trackers that allow you to put in a notional value for many other factors besides just headline price. Chris Woolf On 11/01/2019 11:07, Doug Puddifoot via Tech1 wrote: > Sign up here Bernie > > https://www.moneysavingexpert.com/cheapenergyclub > > I have used it for years and always got good deals. They continually track deals available and email you if a cheaper one comes up for you. > I often worked with Martyn when he was a business reporter for breakfast news. Even then he had an encyclopedic knowledge of the consumer financial market, and solved several problems for me. > A great loss to the BBC when they got rid of him, but a big gain for consumers in general. > > Doug --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From mail at terrymeadowcroft.co.uk Fri Jan 11 05:59:38 2019 From: mail at terrymeadowcroft.co.uk (terrymeadowcroft) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2019 11:59:38 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] Energy prices References: Message-ID: Hello Chris, Nice. I always like to see your balanced view! Happy New Year Terry ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Terry Meadowcroft, 2 Cartoft Cottages, Near Kirkbymoorside, North Yorkshire YO62 6NU Telephone 01751 432656 Mobile 07710 740932 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Woolf via Tech1" To: Sent: Friday, January 11, 2019 11:22 AM Subject: Re: [Tech1] Energy prices > What intrigues me is that "a good deal" is always regarded as the cheapest > one. > > I pay a little over the odds for electricity (and all sorts of other > things) because I want to take other matters into consideration. > > For instance, is the deal realistic? A load of supply companies have gone > bust this last year because they were essentially scams - they weren't > charging enough, went bust, and (a lot like Trump) put the cost onto > everyone else. Short term these schemes benefit whoever grabs them - long > term they cost all of us more. > > I also want decent service. Several of the suppliers have atrocious call > centre back-up. I would far rather pay a little more to avoid hanging onto > the phone for 3 hours to solve incessant billing problems. > > And I even care a tad about the environment, and may want a supplier of > things with a less gungho attitude to climate change. > > Paying over over-hyped prices isn't good, but as with Carillion, G4S, > Ryanair and crap food, paying the cheapest price is also a very bad idea. > We need trackers that allow you to put in a notional value for many other > factors besides just headline price. > > > Chris Woolf > > On 11/01/2019 11:07, Doug Puddifoot via Tech1 wrote: >> Sign up here Bernie >> >> https://www.moneysavingexpert.com/cheapenergyclub >> >> I have used it for years and always got good deals. They continually >> track deals available and email you if a cheaper one comes up for you. >> I often worked with Martyn when he was a business reporter for breakfast >> news. Even then he had an encyclopedic knowledge of the consumer >> financial market, and solved several problems for me. >> A great loss to the BBC when they got rid of him, but a big gain for >> consumers in general. >> >> Doug > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From mikej at bmanor.co.uk Fri Jan 11 06:26:59 2019 From: mikej at bmanor.co.uk (Mike Jordan) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2019 12:26:59 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] Energy prices In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8A6C022C04654C288982D34C793D5C6D@Gigabyte> Much care needed with changing suppliers - especially the so-called bargain ones. Lots in The Guardian recently about smaller suppliers going bust and leaving customers with unreclaimable credit and problems changing suppliers. This appeared yesterday and is apparently only too common. Consumer beware! Mike -----Original Message----- From: Doug Puddifoot via Tech1 Sent: Friday, January 11, 2019 11:07 AM To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: [Tech1] Energy prices Sign up here Bernie https://www.moneysavingexpert.com/cheapenergyclub I have used it for years and always got good deals. They continually track deals available and email you if a cheaper one comes up for you. I often worked with Martyn when he was a business reporter for breakfast news. Even then he had an encyclopedic knowledge of the consumer financial market, and solved several problems for me. A great loss to the BBC when they got rid of him, but a big gain for consumers in general. 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Name: Electricity supplies.JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 207193 bytes Desc: not available URL: From ian.hillson at gmail.com Fri Jan 11 08:32:32 2019 From: ian.hillson at gmail.com (Ian H) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2019 14:32:32 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] BBC Sounds In-Reply-To: <1993653671.68693.1509204160650@email.1and1.co.uk> References: <56920bd53fdave@davesound.co.uk> <1284416893.67522.1509197811227@email.1and1.co.uk> <001901d34ff9$bd4c1f90$37e45eb0$@gmail.com> <1993653671.68693.1509204160650@email.1and1.co.uk> Message-ID: Looking back through old mail, I found this about Radio on iPlayer - now the Beeb seems intent on shooting themselves in the foot again with its BBC Sounds app. Look here for more about podcasts: https://tradingaswdr.blogspot.com/2019/01/availability.html https://tradingaswdr.blogspot.com/2019/01/fruity.html Best I ------------------- On Sat, Oct 28, 2017 at 4:22 PM John Nottage wrote: > Thank you for the answers. Caused by the BBC then! > > So I could listen to the programme, I went on the Radio 4 website, > downloaded the programme, dumped it on a memory stick & tried plugging it > the TV. The file appeared, but there was no sound, just the graphic! The > 2nd option was to plug the stick into the back of my Cocktail Audio. It > took me a few minutes to remember how to access it, but once I had, good > quality audio through the hifi - bingo - all to get the radio playback into > the living room! It would have been so much easier to click on iPlayer on > the TV as in the past. > > I'll look into Bill's suggestion about Chromecast. I always assumed such > things were subscription, but if it's only a one-off payment, I might try > it. > > Thanks again > > John > > > On 28 October 2017 at 15:33 Bill Jenkin wrote: > > > > > > John, > > It's the BBC wot done it. They took the radio channels off iPlayer, you > have to get a separate iPlayer Radio app but it probably isn't available > for your old Panasonic tele. You might find a Radioplayer app on the TV's > internet portal which will have the BBC channels on it but you won't be > able to access the catchup services on that. I have the same problem on a > Humax Freeview box with internet portal. > > Have you considered getting a Chromecast or similar? You stick it in > the hdmi socket on the tele and can control it via your WiFi from a > smartphone or PCetc. It can put the output from any of the streaming apps > like iPlayer, Youtube etc (and iPlayer radio) on the tele. It only costs > about ?30. There is also an audio only version which plugs straight into > your sound system via 3.5mm jack. No doubt Apple have something similar. > > Bill J > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: John Nottage [mailto:jpn at imixmics.co.uk] > > Sent: 28 October 2017 14:37 > > To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > > Subject: Radio on iPlayer > > > > Anybody help please? My old Panasonic TV has BBC iPlayer available. In > the past I remember searching for a radio programme & there it was to play. > Today I tried the same & no sign. I was looking for Saturday Review (Radio > 4) & all I got was Saturday Kitchen(TV) etc. For some reason, if I go > through the channels available on iPlayer on the TV I get all the usual TV > channels, but only Radio 1, not any other radio station. (I used to be able > to get YouTube on the TV too, but that disappeared - after a software > update I guess.) > > > > Any ideas, please? > > > > John > > > > > > ----------------------------------------- > > > > The tech-ops mailing list ----------------------- > > > > > ----------------------------------------- > > The tech-ops mailing list ----------------------- > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bernie833 at gmail.com Fri Jan 11 08:46:45 2019 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2019 14:46:45 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Energy prices In-Reply-To: <8A6C022C04654C288982D34C793D5C6D@Gigabyte> References: <8A6C022C04654C288982D34C793D5C6D@Gigabyte> Message-ID: I review my energy costs every year, by going through a number of price comparison sites and seeing what's on offer. These days I try to avoid the big five, and also the hordes of cheap deals by unknown names. Apparently it's possible to set up an energy firm in your front room these days.? For a couple of years I was with First Utillity, till I forgot to do my periodic checks and got over ?700 in credit at the end of the winter, when I should come out at par.? I switched last year to Ovo, who had a good deal, seemed to have a good reputation, and who use renewable energy sources.? I also like the Ovo website which has a very complete breakdown on my costs on a rolling basis. There's a graph of what I am currently paying again their prediction of the correct amount. I just clicked on the button and reduced my monthly payment by ?3, so that the graph thinks I'm paying the correct amount. I plan to stick with Ovo this year if the offer is reasonable, but they aren't on the Compare the Meercat (or whatever) offers list this year, so i await their email. I live in a large old leaky house, and the many offers on the lists are around the ?1450 mark for the year. I currently pay - Electricity: 12.51p/kWh Standing charge:23.50p/day Gas:2.85p/kWh Standing charge:23.50p/day It isn't the cheapest nor the most expensive, but do I want to go with Octopus or Igloo or Entice? No, I don't think so.? I've thought for many years about going solar, ever since I visited the Centre for Alternative Energy near Tony's place. Somehow I've never done it - it always seems that the hardware gets ever cheaper, and if I just wait for next year it'll be the right time. Anyway, that's me, what about other people? B On 11/01/2019 12:26, Mike Jordan via Tech1 wrote: > Much care needed with changing suppliers - especially the so-called > bargain ones. Lots in The Guardian recently about smaller suppliers > going bust and leaving customers with unreclaimable credit and > problems changing suppliers. > This appeared yesterday and is apparently only too common. > Consumer beware! > > Mike > > -----Original Message----- From: Doug Puddifoot via Tech1 > Sent: Friday, January 11, 2019 11:07 AM > To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > Subject: [Tech1] Energy prices > > Sign up here Bernie > > https://www.moneysavingexpert.com/cheapenergyclub > > I have used it for years and always got good deals. They continually > track deals available and email you if a cheaper one comes up for you. > I often worked with Martyn when he was a business reporter for > breakfast news. Even then he had an encyclopedic? knowledge of the > consumer financial market, and solved several problems for me. > A great loss to the BBC when they got rid of him, but a big gain for > consumers in general. > > Doug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bernie833 at gmail.com Fri Jan 11 08:47:02 2019 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2019 14:47:02 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Energy prices In-Reply-To: <8A6C022C04654C288982D34C793D5C6D@Gigabyte> References: <8A6C022C04654C288982D34C793D5C6D@Gigabyte> Message-ID: <8871086f-712f-e2e9-7449-2f7975aaa695@gmail.com> I review my energy costs every year, by going through a number of price comparison sites and seeing what's on offer. These days I try to avoid the big five, and also the hordes of cheap deals by unknown names. Apparently it's possible to set up an energy firm in your front room these days.? For a couple of years I was with First Utillity, till I forgot to do my periodic checks and got over ?700 in credit at the end of the winter, when I should come out at par.? I switched last year to Ovo, who had a good deal, seemed to have a good reputation, and who use renewable energy sources.? I also like the Ovo website which has a very complete breakdown on my costs on a rolling basis. There's a graph of what I am currently paying again their prediction of the correct amount. I just clicked on the button and reduced my monthly payment by ?3, so that the graph thinks I'm paying the correct amount. I plan to stick with Ovo this year if the offer is reasonable, but they aren't on the Compare the Meercat (or whatever) offers list this year, so i await their email. I live in a large old leaky house, and the many offers on the lists are around the ?1450 mark for the year. I currently pay - Electricity: 12.51p/kWh Standing charge:23.50p/day Gas:2.85p/kWh Standing charge:23.50p/day It isn't the cheapest nor the most expensive, but do I want to go with Octopus or Igloo or Entice? No, I don't think so.? I've thought for many years about going solar, ever since I visited the Centre for Alternative Energy near Tony's place. Somehow I've never done it - it always seems that the hardware gets ever cheaper, and if I just wait for next year it'll be the right time. Anyway, that's me, what about other people? B On 11/01/2019 12:26, Mike Jordan via Tech1 wrote: > Much care needed with changing suppliers - especially the so-called > bargain ones. Lots in The Guardian recently about smaller suppliers > going bust and leaving customers with unreclaimable credit and > problems changing suppliers. > This appeared yesterday and is apparently only too common. > Consumer beware! > > Mike > > -----Original Message----- From: Doug Puddifoot via Tech1 > Sent: Friday, January 11, 2019 11:07 AM > To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > Subject: [Tech1] Energy prices > > Sign up here Bernie > > https://www.moneysavingexpert.com/cheapenergyclub > > I have used it for years and always got good deals. They continually > track deals available and email you if a cheaper one comes up for you. > I often worked with Martyn when he was a business reporter for > breakfast news. Even then he had an encyclopedic? knowledge of the > consumer financial market, and solved several problems for me. > A great loss to the BBC when they got rid of him, but a big gain for > consumers in general. > > Doug > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk Fri Jan 11 09:25:39 2019 From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2019 15:25:39 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Energy prices In-Reply-To: References: <8A6C022C04654C288982D34C793D5C6D@Gigabyte> Message-ID: On 11/01/2019 14:46, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: > ....I've thought for many years about going solar, ever since I > visited the Centre for Alternative Energy near Tony's place. Somehow > I've never done it - it always seems that the hardware gets ever > cheaper, and if I just wait for next year it'll be the right time. > > Now that the government is giving up on FITs - well, they never did understand economics - the installation and purchase cost curve of solar is likely to flatten, and there becomes less reason to put it off. Your greatest saving will undoubtedly be to make the house less leaky, but it is also usually the hardest to achieve. After that you stuff in the maximum number of panels in the most discreet fashion, and make sure you use all the power produced. Generally speaking that means putting one of the devices in that detects you having surplus power, and then diverting those kWs into an immersion heater. you store the power as hot water. Depending upon your domestic arrangements that can be quite effective. While the common attitude is "when will the installation pay back its costs" they wiser one is "how much less expensively can I live". The two questions will get totally different answers, and for those of pensionable age the second is often a lot more interesting. Chris Woolf --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ohbytheway.tv at gmail.com Fri Jan 11 09:32:51 2019 From: ohbytheway.tv at gmail.com (David Denness) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2019 15:32:51 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] Energy prices In-Reply-To: References: <8A6C022C04654C288982D34C793D5C6D@Gigabyte> Message-ID: <001701d4a9c2$ea6cb790$bf4626b0$@gmail.com> I was comparing our energy costs several years ago via Moneysavingexpert.com and came to much the same conclusion that it was possible to opt for a small outfit no one had ever heard of, or at least not enough to give any of them a positive rating, or a mid sized company. I also opted for Ovo as it was a much better deal than I was on, their satisfaction rating was one of the highest on the website and they are based in Bristol as opposed to the Punjab. I have been extremely happy with them for all the points Bernie has raised and each year I have a look at others but always remain with Ovo. Their customer support is second to none both on the telephone and online. I have recommended them to friends who are also more than satisfied. Dave D From: Tech1 On Behalf Of Bernard Newnham via Tech1 Sent: 11 January 2019 14:47 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Cc: Bernard Newnham Subject: Re: [Tech1] Energy prices I review my energy costs every year, by going through a number of price comparison sites and seeing what's on offer. These days I try to avoid the big five, and also the hordes of cheap deals by unknown names. Apparently it's possible to set up an energy firm in your front room these days. For a couple of years I was with First Utillity, till I forgot to do my periodic checks and got over ?700 in credit at the end of the winter, when I should come out at par. I switched last year to Ovo, who had a good deal, seemed to have a good reputation, and who use renewable energy sources. I also like the Ovo website which has a very complete breakdown on my costs on a rolling basis. There's a graph of what I am currently paying again their prediction of the correct amount. I just clicked on the button and reduced my monthly payment by ?3, so that the graph thinks I'm paying the correct amount. I plan to stick with Ovo this year if the offer is reasonable, but they aren't on the Compare the Meercat (or whatever) offers list this year, so i await their email. I live in a large old leaky house, and the many offers on the lists are around the ?1450 mark for the year. I currently pay - Electricity: 12.51p/kWh Standing charge:23.50p/day Gas:2.85p/kWh Standing charge:23.50p/day It isn't the cheapest nor the most expensive, but do I want to go with Octopus or Igloo or Entice? No, I don't think so. I've thought for many years about going solar, ever since I visited the Centre for Alternative Energy near Tony's place. Somehow I've never done it - it always seems that the hardware gets ever cheaper, and if I just wait for next year it'll be the right time. Anyway, that's me, what about other people? B On 11/01/2019 12:26, Mike Jordan via Tech1 wrote: Much care needed with changing suppliers - especially the so-called bargain ones. Lots in The Guardian recently about smaller suppliers going bust and leaving customers with unreclaimable credit and problems changing suppliers. This appeared yesterday and is apparently only too common. Consumer beware! Mike -----Original Message----- From: Doug Puddifoot via Tech1 Sent: Friday, January 11, 2019 11:07 AM To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: [Tech1] Energy prices Sign up here Bernie https://www.moneysavingexpert.com/cheapenergyclub I have used it for years and always got good deals. They continually track deals available and email you if a cheaper one comes up for you. I often worked with Martyn when he was a business reporter for breakfast news. Even then he had an encyclopedic knowledge of the consumer financial market, and solved several problems for me. A great loss to the BBC when they got rid of him, but a big gain for consumers in general. Doug -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From crew13 at vincent68.plus.com Fri Jan 11 10:02:59 2019 From: crew13 at vincent68.plus.com (John Vincent) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2019 16:02:59 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Energy prices In-Reply-To: <001701d4a9c2$ea6cb790$bf4626b0$@gmail.com> References: <8A6C022C04654C288982D34C793D5C6D@Gigabyte> <001701d4a9c2$ea6cb790$bf4626b0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: QVQ also give you a good interest rate if you are in credit. Also if you refer a friend you both get ?50 M&S. John Lewis or Amazon vouchers. Could I suggest if any of you switch you mention Berni (if he's OK with it). A little reward for him for all the work he's done running this site. John V On 11 Jan 2019, at 15:32, David Denness via Tech1 wrote: > I was comparing our energy costs several years ago via Moneysavingexpert.com and came to much the same conclusion that it was possible to opt for a small outfit no one had ever heard of, or at least not enough to give any of them a positive rating, or a mid sized company. > I also opted for Ovo as it was a much better deal than I was on, their satisfaction rating was one of the highest on the website and they are based in Bristol as opposed to the Punjab. > I have been extremely happy with them for all the points Bernie has raised and each year I have a look at others but always remain with Ovo. Their customer support is second to none both on the telephone and online. I have recommended them to friends who are also more than satisfied. > > Dave D > > From: Tech1 On Behalf Of Bernard Newnham via Tech1 > Sent: 11 January 2019 14:47 > To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > Cc: Bernard Newnham > Subject: Re: [Tech1] Energy prices > > I review my energy costs every year, by going through a number of price comparison sites and seeing what's on offer. These days I try to avoid the big five, and also the hordes of cheap deals by unknown names. Apparently it's possible to set up an energy firm in your front room these days. For a couple of years I was with First Utillity, till I forgot to do my periodic checks and got over ?700 in credit at the end of the winter, when I should come out at par. I switched last year to Ovo, who had a good deal, seemed to have a good reputation, and who use renewable energy sources. I also like the Ovo website which has a very complete breakdown on my costs on a rolling basis. There's a graph of what I am currently paying again their prediction of the correct amount. I just clicked on the button and reduced my monthly payment by ?3, so that the graph thinks I'm paying the correct amount. > > I plan to stick with Ovo this year if the offer is reasonable, but they aren't on the Compare the Meercat (or whatever) offers list this year, so i await their email. I live in a large old leaky house, and the many offers on the lists are around the ?1450 mark for the year. I currently pay - > > Electricity: 12.51p/kWh > Standing charge:23.50p/day > Gas:2.85p/kWh > Standing charge:23.50p/day > > It isn't the cheapest nor the most expensive, but do I want to go with Octopus or Igloo or Entice? No, I don't think so. I've thought for many years about going solar, ever since I visited the Centre for Alternative Energy near Tony's place. Somehow I've never done it - it always seems that the hardware gets ever cheaper, and if I just wait for next year it'll be the right time. > > Anyway, that's me, what about other people? > > B > > > > > > On 11/01/2019 12:26, Mike Jordan via Tech1 wrote: > Much care needed with changing suppliers - especially the so-called bargain ones. Lots in The Guardian recently about smaller suppliers going bust and leaving customers with unreclaimable credit and problems changing suppliers. > This appeared yesterday and is apparently only too common. > Consumer beware! > > Mike > > -----Original Message----- From: Doug Puddifoot via Tech1 > Sent: Friday, January 11, 2019 11:07 AM > To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > Subject: [Tech1] Energy prices > > Sign up here Bernie > > https://www.moneysavingexpert.com/cheapenergyclub > > I have used it for years and always got good deals. They continually track deals available and email you if a cheaper one comes up for you. > I often worked with Martyn when he was a business reporter for breakfast news. Even then he had an encyclopedic knowledge of the consumer financial market, and solved several problems for me. > A great loss to the BBC when they got rid of him, but a big gain for consumers in general. > > Doug > > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bernie833 at gmail.com Fri Jan 11 10:06:07 2019 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2019 16:06:07 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Energy prices In-Reply-To: References: <8A6C022C04654C288982D34C793D5C6D@Gigabyte> <001701d4a9c2$ea6cb790$bf4626b0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <913cb731-a553-aba5-d3b8-1c0f90e77f84@ntlworld.com> That's very kind, thank you! B On 11/01/2019 16:02, John Vincent via Tech1 wrote: > QVQ also give you a good interest rate if you are in credit. ?Also if > you refer a friend you both get ?50 M&S. John Lewis or Amazon > vouchers. ?Could I suggest if any of you switch you mention Berni (if > he's OK with it). A little reward for him for all the work he's done > running this site. > > John V > > > > On 11 Jan 2019, at 15:32, David Denness via Tech1 wrote: > >> I was comparing our energy costs several years ago >> viaMoneysavingexpert.com and came to >> much the same conclusion that it was possible to opt for a small >> outfit no one had ever heard of, or at least not enough to give any >> of them a positive rating, or a mid sized company. >> I also opted for Ovo as it was a much better deal than I was on, >> their satisfaction rating was one of the highest on the website and >> they are based in Bristol as opposed to the Punjab. >> I have been extremely happy with them for all the points Bernie has >> raised and each year I have a look at others but always remain with >> Ovo. Their customer support is second to none both on the telephone >> and online. I have recommended them to friends who are also more than >> satisfied. >> Dave D >> *From:*Tech1 > >*On Behalf Of*Bernard Newnham >> via Tech1 >> *Sent:*11 January 2019 14:47 >> *To:*tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> *Cc:*Bernard Newnham > >> *Subject:*Re: [Tech1] Energy prices >> >> I review my energy costs every year, by going through a number of >> price comparison sites and seeing what's on offer. These days I try >> to avoid the big five, and also the hordes of cheap deals by unknown >> names. Apparently it's possible to set up an energy firm in your >> front room these days. For a couple of years I was with First >> Utillity, till I forgot to do my periodic checks and got over ?700 in >> credit at the end of the winter, when I should come out at par.? I >> switched last year to Ovo, who had a good deal, seemed to have a good >> reputation, and who use renewable energy sources. I also like the Ovo >> website which has a very complete breakdown on my costs on a rolling >> basis. There's a graph of what I am currently paying again their >> prediction of the correct amount. I just clicked on the button and >> reduced my monthly payment by ?3, so that the graph thinks I'm paying >> the correct amount. >> >> I plan to stick with Ovo this year if the offer is reasonable, but >> they aren't on the Compare the Meercat (or whatever) offers list this >> year, so i await their email. I live in a large old leaky house, and >> the many offers on the lists are around the ?1450 mark for the year. >> I currently pay - >> >> Electricity: 12.51p/kWh >> Standing charge:23.50p/day >> Gas:2.85p/kWh >> Standing charge:23.50p/day >> >> It isn't the cheapest nor the most expensive, but do I want to go >> with Octopus or Igloo or Entice? No, I don't think so.? I've thought >> for many years about going solar, ever since I visited the Centre for >> Alternative Energy near Tony's place. Somehow I've never done it - it >> always seems that the hardware gets ever cheaper, and if I just wait >> for next year it'll be the right time. >> >> Anyway, that's me, what about other people? >> >> B >> >> >> >> >> On 11/01/2019 12:26, Mike Jordan via Tech1 wrote: >> >> Much care needed with changing suppliers - especially the >> so-called bargain ones. Lots in The Guardian recently about >> smaller suppliers going bust and leaving customers with >> unreclaimable credit and problems changing suppliers. >> This appeared yesterday and is apparently only too common. >> Consumer beware! >> >> Mike >> >> -----Original Message----- From: Doug Puddifoot via Tech1 >> Sent: Friday, January 11, 2019 11:07 AM >> To:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> Subject: [Tech1] Energy prices >> >> Sign up here Bernie >> >> https://www.moneysavingexpert.com/cheapenergyclub >> >> I have used it for years and always got good deals. They >> continually track deals available and email you if a cheaper one >> comes up for you. >> I often worked with Martyn when he was a business reporter for >> breakfast news. Even then he had an encyclopedic? knowledge of >> the consumer financial market, and solved several problems for me. >> A great loss to the BBC when they got rid of him, but a big gain >> for consumers in general. >> >> Doug >> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave at davesound.co.uk Fri Jan 11 11:02:43 2019 From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2019 17:02:43 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Tech1] Energy prices In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5774c92e07dave@davesound.co.uk> In article , Doug Puddifoot via Tech1 wrote: > I often worked with Martyn when he was a business reporter for breakfast > news. Even then he had an encyclopedic knowledge of the consumer > financial market, and solved several problems for me. It was Martyn Lewis who recommended Flipper on R4. For those who simply hate the annual round of attempting to DIY the best deal. -- *Welcome to Shit Creek - sorry, we're out of paddles* Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From dave at davesound.co.uk Fri Jan 11 11:00:43 2019 From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2019 17:00:43 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Tech1] Energy prices In-Reply-To: References: <8A6C022C04654C288982D34C793D5C6D@Gigabyte> <001701d4a9c2$ea6cb790$bf4626b0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5774c8ff36dave@davesound.co.uk> In article , John Vincent via Tech1 wrote: > QVQ also give you a good interest rate if you are in credit. Also if > you refer a friend you both get ?50 M&S. John Lewis or Amazon vouchers. > Could I suggest if any of you switch you mention Berni (if he's OK with > it). A little reward for him for all the work he's done running this > site. I'd actually rather they reduced the unit cost of their product than give 'gifts' to those who bring them new business. This is what I hate about so much of this sort of thing. Sod existing customers - the only thing seems to be getting new ones. I'm sure we've all noticed the way insurance companies etc try and increase a premium way in excess of any inflation or cost rises to them. In the hope you won't notice and let it through on the nod. Tell them you're going to change company, and they suddenly find a 'loyalty' bonus. -- *If at first you don't succeed, redefine success. Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From david.plaice at googlemail.com Fri Jan 11 15:33:33 2019 From: david.plaice at googlemail.com (David Plaice) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2019 21:33:33 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Energy prices In-Reply-To: References: <8A6C022C04654C288982D34C793D5C6D@Gigabyte> Message-ID: I've been with Ovo for a few years and concur with Bernie's points below. One word of warning though. They are rolling out a new website which doesn't yet include the usage graph, with its very helpful suggested DD amount. I discovered this while trying to help my mum adjust her payments. I went to the feedback page to complain and that's where I saw the notice explaining that some features are not yet available. I would still recommend them though. And they give 3-5% interest on credit balances (see https://www.ovoenergy.com/help/interest-reward) Dave On Fri, 11 Jan 2019, 14:47 Bernard Newnham via Tech1 I review my energy costs every year, by going through a number of price > comparison sites and seeing what's on offer. These days I try to avoid the > big five, and also the hordes of cheap deals by unknown names. Apparently > it's possible to set up an energy firm in your front room these days. For > a couple of years I was with First Utillity, till I forgot to do my > periodic checks and got over ?700 in credit at the end of the winter, when > I should come out at par. I switched last year to Ovo, who had a good > deal, seemed to have a good reputation, and who use renewable energy > sources. I also like the Ovo website which has a very complete breakdown > on my costs on a rolling basis. There's a graph of what I am currently > paying again their prediction of the correct amount. I just clicked on the > button and reduced my monthly payment by ?3, so that the graph thinks I'm > paying the correct amount. > > I plan to stick with Ovo this year if the offer is reasonable, but they > aren't on the Compare the Meercat (or whatever) offers list this year, so i > await their email. I live in a large old leaky house, and the many offers > on the lists are around the ?1450 mark for the year. I currently pay - > > Electricity: 12.51p/kWh > Standing charge:23.50p/day > Gas:2.85p/kWh > Standing charge:23.50p/day > > It isn't the cheapest nor the most expensive, but do I want to go with > Octopus or Igloo or Entice? No, I don't think so. I've thought for many > years about going solar, ever since I visited the Centre for Alternative > Energy near Tony's place. Somehow I've never done it - it always seems that > the hardware gets ever cheaper, and if I just wait for next year it'll be > the right time. > > Anyway, that's me, what about other people? > > B > > > > > > On 11/01/2019 12:26, Mike Jordan via Tech1 wrote: > > Much care needed with changing suppliers - especially the so-called > bargain ones. Lots in The Guardian recently about smaller suppliers going > bust and leaving customers with unreclaimable credit and problems changing > suppliers. > This appeared yesterday and is apparently only too common. > Consumer beware! > > Mike > > -----Original Message----- From: Doug Puddifoot via Tech1 > Sent: Friday, January 11, 2019 11:07 AM > To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > Subject: [Tech1] Energy prices > > Sign up here Bernie > > https://www.moneysavingexpert.com/cheapenergyclub > > I have used it for years and always got good deals. They continually track > deals available and email you if a cheaper one comes up for you. > I often worked with Martyn when he was a business reporter for breakfast > news. Even then he had an encyclopedic knowledge of the consumer financial > market, and solved several problems for me. > A great loss to the BBC when they got rid of him, but a big gain for > consumers in general. > > Doug > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bernie833 at gmail.com Sat Jan 12 03:39:15 2019 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2019 09:39:15 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Spam blackmail Message-ID: <8a46f451-4e05-5d51-c53a-45478b03fbaf@gmail.com> I turned my phone on this morning and a friend's text arrived almost immediately "Can you call me, if you're up yet".? So - computer support over breakfast. He's just had an email to his Hotmail account telling him that someone has recorded the output of his webcam whilst he was watching porn, and to send $845 in Bitcoin if he doesn't want the video spread round his contacts list. He was just a bit stressed, though as a person on his contact list I wouldn't care. What to do? As it happens I've had two of these recently, saying the same thing, and including my password "pilots2".? That was indeed my password - about 15 years ago - for unimportant things.? It hasn't been for a long time, far too basic. Also I do have a webcam which presumably some hacker might possibly, maybe, perhaps, record. It's in the birdbox, and I'm pretty certain that bluetits don't mate in there. What to do?? I told my friend to delete the email and forget it. If they have his current Hotmail password change it, and in any case transition away from Hotmail. He has Norton on his laptop, so though I have no love for Norton and it's subscription model, I rather think I'm not going to be seeing him enjoying watching humans mate. B -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hughsheppard at btinternet.com Sat Jan 12 03:49:27 2019 From: hughsheppard at btinternet.com (Hugh Sheppard) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2019 09:49:27 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Spam blackmail In-Reply-To: <8a46f451-4e05-5d51-c53a-45478b03fbaf@gmail.com> References: <8a46f451-4e05-5d51-c53a-45478b03fbaf@gmail.com> Message-ID: Without repeating the sad substance of your friend's dilemma, you mention Norton. I currently use the free version of Avast, but receive many a persuasive webmail with an offer to upgrade so as to safeguard privacy etc.? Is this sensible or are there downsides such as slowing the system or not really doing much anyway, ie. are 'better' virus protection systems etc. all a con? Hugh On 12-Jan-19 9:39 AM, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: > I turned my phone on this morning and a friend's text arrived almost > immediately... -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bernie833 at gmail.com Sat Jan 12 03:59:45 2019 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2019 09:59:45 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Spam blackmail In-Reply-To: References: <8a46f451-4e05-5d51-c53a-45478b03fbaf@gmail.com> Message-ID: I used to use free Avast, but these days just rely on built in Windows Defender and periodic checks with Malwarebytes AntiMalware. Touching wood, I haven't had any kind of a problem for many years. The last real actual virus I had on a computer was when an old colleague doing consultancy for Thames TV brought a floppy disc from there.? I have seen the odd trojan attempt but that was a good while back, too. If some bad person had sent around emails of video of my friend, almost certainly it wouldn't have reached me in the first place, and I certainly don't open attachments on unsolicited emails. B On 12/01/2019 09:49, Hugh Sheppard wrote: > > Without repeating the sad substance of your friend's dilemma, you > mention Norton. I currently use the free version of Avast, but receive > many a persuasive webmail with an offer to upgrade so as to safeguard > privacy etc.? Is this sensible or are there downsides such as slowing > the system or not really doing much anyway, ie. are 'better' virus > protection systems etc. all a con? > > Hugh > > On 12-Jan-19 9:39 AM, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: >> I turned my phone on this morning and a friend's text arrived almost >> immediately... -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave at davesound.co.uk Sat Jan 12 05:06:55 2019 From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2019 11:06:55 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Tech1] Spam blackmail In-Reply-To: <8a46f451-4e05-5d51-c53a-45478b03fbaf@gmail.com> References: <8a46f451-4e05-5d51-c53a-45478b03fbaf@gmail.com> Message-ID: <57752c7138dave@davesound.co.uk> In article <8a46f451-4e05-5d51-c53a-45478b03fbaf at gmail.com>, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: > He's just had an email to his Hotmail account telling him that someone > has recorded the output of his webcam whilst he was watching porn, and > to send $845 in Bitcoin if he doesn't want the video spread round his > contacts list. He was just a bit stressed, though as a person on his > contact list I wouldn't care. I've had several of those. Just ignore them. Even if it were true, what money could a scammer make by actually carrying out the threat? None, since they've then lost the reason to blackmail you. If indeed it even exists. If they were serious, they'd send you some of the footage they are implying they have. -- *You know you're a redneck if your home has wheels and your car doesn't. Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From patheigham at amps.net Sat Jan 12 10:07:15 2019 From: patheigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2019 16:07:15 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Spam blackmail In-Reply-To: <57752c7138dave@davesound.co.uk> References: <8a46f451-4e05-5d51-c53a-45478b03fbaf@gmail.com> <57752c7138dave@davesound.co.uk> Message-ID: <5c3a10b4.1c69fb81.8f009.4c8d@mx.google.com> Stick a bit of tape over the webcam! If in the usual place above the screen, whether integral to a laptop or clipped on to point at you, it can?t see the screen or what you are viewing! Empty threats that rely on guilt, probably. Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Dave Plowman via Tech1 Sent: 12 January 2019 11:14 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Spam blackmail In article <8a46f451-4e05-5d51-c53a-45478b03fbaf at gmail.com>, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: > He's just had an email to his Hotmail account telling him that someone > has recorded the output of his webcam whilst he was watching porn, and > to send $845 in Bitcoin if he doesn't want the video spread round his > contacts list. He was just a bit stressed, though as a person on his > contact list I wouldn't care. I've had several of those. Just ignore them. Even if it were true, what money could a scammer make by actually carrying out the threat? None, since they've then lost the reason to blackmail you. If indeed it even exists. If they were serious, they'd send you some of the footage they are implying they have. -- *You know you're a redneck if your home has wheels and your car doesn't. Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ggstable at mac.com Sat Jan 12 12:32:01 2019 From: ggstable at mac.com (GRAHAM GILES) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2019 18:32:01 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Spam blackmail In-Reply-To: <5c3a10b4.1c69fb81.8f009.4c8d@mx.google.com> References: <8a46f451-4e05-5d51-c53a-45478b03fbaf@gmail.com> <57752c7138dave@davesound.co.uk> <5c3a10b4.1c69fb81.8f009.4c8d@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <8A7A3BF6-73D9-4739-8C43-BFE4C9AD0496@mac.com> The other day there was an interview with Mark Zuckerberg, head of Facebook, at his desk. I noted he had a bit of sticking tape over the camera port on his computer screen. I have on mine too ! > On 12 Jan 2019, at 16:07, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > > Stick a bit of tape over the webcam! If in the usual place above the screen, whether integral to a laptop or clipped on to point at you, it can?t see the screen or what you are viewing! > Empty threats that rely on guilt, probably. > Pat > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > From: Dave Plowman via Tech1 > Sent: 12 January 2019 11:14 > To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > Subject: Re: [Tech1] Spam blackmail > > In article <8a46f451-4e05-5d51-c53a-45478b03fbaf at gmail.com >, > Bernard Newnham via Tech1 > wrote: > > He's just had an email to his Hotmail account telling him that someone > > has recorded the output of his webcam whilst he was watching porn, and > > to send $845 in Bitcoin if he doesn't want the video spread round his > > contacts list. He was just a bit stressed, though as a person on his > > contact list I wouldn't care. > > I've had several of those. Just ignore them. Even if it were true, what > money could a scammer make by actually carrying out the threat? None, > since they've then lost the reason to blackmail you. If indeed it even > exists. > > If they were serious, they'd send you some of the footage they are > implying they have. > > -- > *You know you're a redneck if your home has wheels and your car doesn't. > > Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > > Virus-free. www.avast.com -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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It?s also basically a single perspective, which is understandable I think you would find it interesting, more from page 3 onwards Dave D David Denness 2 Cambridge Park Court Twickenham TW1 2JN 07836 371108 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: terrys intertel history for email.pdf Type: application/pdf Size: 3595922 bytes Desc: not available URL: From chrisandmarg at metronet.co.uk Sun Jan 13 13:31:59 2019 From: chrisandmarg at metronet.co.uk (Chris Pocock) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2019 19:31:59 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] Spam blackmail In-Reply-To: <8a46f451-4e05-5d51-c53a-45478b03fbaf@gmail.com> References: <8a46f451-4e05-5d51-c53a-45478b03fbaf@gmail.com> Message-ID: I too have received a number of these threats including 2 apparently from my own email address! The scammer stated ?I made a double screen video . . . . and the second part shows the recording of your webcam.? I can?t cover my webcam as I don?t have one! The password used is unique to only one site that I use ? Positickets.co.uk - so my guess it was hacked from them! I?m a bit concerned that the scammer can apparently send an email from my address. Chris Pocock -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Sun Jan 13 14:59:31 2019 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2019 20:59:31 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Blackmails etc. Message-ID: <46c332fe-e6e9-8776-8be1-e729621c17c3@btinternet.com> The whole world seems to be into scamming people. I received another phone call today from a very 'Indian' voice from Microsoft Sevice Centre about my modem! (What's that got to do with MS anyway, normally they say BT!) He said his name was Roger Brown so I said 'that's a nice English name where do you work?' 'Reading', he said, so I said 'do Microsoft know about you?' whereupon the phone went dead! The phone number on my Caller display was an 0207 number, i.e. central London, but when I rang it there was just 400Hz. tone! Most of the numbers are 'not recognised'. When I Google the whole number it said Indian landline! Cave Receiver! as the Romans said. Cheers, Dave From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Sun Jan 13 15:08:29 2019 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2019 21:08:29 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Domestic query Message-ID: <8cee9d2f-4fc5-5f3a-527e-7214b25d1613@btinternet.com> When I was but a wee kiddy many years ago, my Mum always used lard for frying etc. Nowadays oil seems to the most popular. I researched oils, as you do, and found that grapeseed oil is the best to use as it has a very high smoke point compared with olive oil etc. and so fewer cancerous products are formed. The downside is, as far as I am concerned, is that the deposits left on the hob turn into a very rubbery gel which is f***ing hard to remove without a razor blade! Has anyone found a spray on de-greaser to soften it and preferably to remove it? I have tried dozens! I may have to go back to Mum's method (which tastes better anyway!). Cheers, Dave From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Sun Jan 13 17:03:06 2019 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2019 23:03:06 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Domestic query In-Reply-To: <004101d4ab8c$a45c98d0$ed15ca70$@gmail.com> References: <8cee9d2f-4fc5-5f3a-527e-7214b25d1613@btinternet.com> <004101d4ab8c$a45c98d0$ed15ca70$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <530f1f9a-7a54-77ba-7822-b34c199c0ae9@btinternet.com> Thanks Dave, I will give it a go. It's just the name, and the smell, as you drive through fields of the stuff which smell like multi-storey carpark stair wells! From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Sun Jan 13 17:12:25 2019 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2019 23:12:25 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Home (update!) Message-ID: Just for those of you who can't sleep worrying about my cold house please have a good night's sleep tonight! Everything is back to normal and the house is getting warm again! The rogue gas fire is also lighting and 'er indoors is happy again! Result! Cheers, Dave From j at howell61.f9.co.uk Sun Jan 13 17:40:07 2019 From: j at howell61.f9.co.uk (John Howell) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2019 23:40:07 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Spam blackmail In-Reply-To: References: <8a46f451-4e05-5d51-c53a-45478b03fbaf@gmail.com> Message-ID: <3302af27-6d45-d563-e2e2-4088c81b5ca6@howell61.f9.co.uk> I had a strange one from "TV Licensing" saying they could not take "automatic payment" & would I update my card details. Looking at the source details of the preview page I found "TVL[GB]...............__.jp? suggesting a Japanese origin. Anyhow I'm now of an age that doesn't require payment for a license, John H. On 13/01/2019 19:31, Chris Pocock via Tech1 wrote: > I too have received a number of these threats including 2 apparently > from my own email address! > The scammer stated ?I made a double screen video . . . . and the > second part shows the recording of your webcam.? I can?t cover my > webcam as I don?t have one! > The password used is unique to only one site that I use ? > Positickets.co.uk -? so my guess it was hacked from them! > I?m a bit concerned that the scammer can apparently send an email from > my address. > Chris Pocock > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mail at terrymeadowcroft.co.uk Sun Jan 13 18:49:51 2019 From: mail at terrymeadowcroft.co.uk (terrymeadowcroft) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2019 00:49:51 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] Domestic query References: <8cee9d2f-4fc5-5f3a-527e-7214b25d1613@btinternet.com> Message-ID: Hi folks, When I was a kiddy, only a few ;-) years ago, my Mam (Lancashire) used dripping, which I guess was today's lard, and I remember after Bonfire night we always had 'Bovril and Dripping' Sandwiches. They were very tasty. This was in the days when nothing you enjoyed eating was a guaranteed step closer to cancer. I's still here, at 73. Mam died at 94 years old, Dad at 95. Guess we were lucky and we had the right genes; cancer never did threaten - despite bacon, eggs and sausage breakfast before being packed of to school, from the age of 5 to 18. Mam and Dad were not smothered by threats of being guilty of just about everything that was wrong, as weren't we all.... I say, bring back Bovril and dripping sandwiches,...and chips, and, oh, welly bobs and fishing in the beck for eels - using a fork with barbs on!! Terry ----- Original Message ----- From: "dave.mdv via Tech1" To: Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2019 9:08 PM Subject: [Tech1] Domestic query > When I was but a wee kiddy many years ago, my Mum always used lard for > frying etc. Nowadays oil seems to the most popular. I researched oils, as > you do, and found that grapeseed oil is the best to use as it has a very > high smoke point compared with olive oil etc. and so fewer cancerous > products are formed. The downside is, as far as I am concerned, is that > the deposits left on the hob turn into a very rubbery gel which is f***ing > hard to remove without a razor blade! Has anyone found a spray on > de-greaser to soften it and preferably to remove it? I have tried dozens! > I may have to go back to Mum's method (which tastes better anyway!). > Cheers, Dave > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Sun Jan 13 19:40:24 2019 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2019 01:40:24 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Domestic query In-Reply-To: References: <8cee9d2f-4fc5-5f3a-527e-7214b25d1613@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <5e7dd325-3152-1bba-b93e-fc7d3e36abfa@btinternet.com> Hear, hear! Well said Terry, kids today don't know what they're missing! Cheers, Dave From geoffletch at gmail.com Mon Jan 14 01:03:03 2019 From: geoffletch at gmail.com (Geoff Fletcher) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2019 07:03:03 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Domestic query In-Reply-To: <5e7dd325-3152-1bba-b93e-fc7d3e36abfa@btinternet.com> References: <8cee9d2f-4fc5-5f3a-527e-7214b25d1613@btinternet.com> <5e7dd325-3152-1bba-b93e-fc7d3e36abfa@btinternet.com> Message-ID: And don?t forget the salt for the dripping sandwiches Terry! Geoff F Any more photos of Jan in your archives? On Mon, 14 Jan 2019 at 01:40, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: > Hear, hear! Well said Terry, kids today don't know what they're missing! > Cheers, Dave > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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See Bovril > in a jar like Marmite - salt, salt and more salt! > > I should have shrivelled up and died by now! (fingers crossed behind back > and touching wood!) > > Tel > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Geoff Fletcher > *To:* dave.mdv > *Cc:* tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk ; terrymeadowcroft > > *Sent:* Monday, January 14, 2019 7:03 AM > *Subject:* Re: [Tech1] Domestic query > > And don?t forget the salt for the dripping sandwiches Terry! > Geoff F > Any more photos of Jan in your archives? > > On Mon, 14 Jan 2019 at 01:40, dave.mdv via Tech1 > wrote: > >> Hear, hear! Well said Terry, kids today don't know what they're missing! >> Cheers, Dave >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alawrance1 at me.com Mon Jan 14 03:01:48 2019 From: alawrance1 at me.com (Alasdair Lawrance) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2019 09:01:48 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Domestic query In-Reply-To: References: <8cee9d2f-4fc5-5f3a-527e-7214b25d1613@btinternet.com> <5e7dd325-3152-1bba-b93e-fc7d3e36abfa@btinternet.com> <7CA2E9415EAE4A55A815F093B21831B2@MEDDIES2012> Message-ID: Being son of a butcher, lard is from pig fat and dripping from beef fat. Brown streaks probably jellied gravy at the bottom of the bowl - yum, yum! Alasdair Lawrance alawrance1 at me.com On 14 Jan 2019, at 08:52, Geoff Fletcher via Tech1 wrote: Sorry Tel, missed the significance of the Marmite! I was thinking of the dripping sandwiches I had - with brown meaty streaks in which looked like Marmite. Lost down memory lane again! G On Mon, 14 Jan 2019 at 08:49, terrymeadowcroft > wrote: Geoff! These were Bovril and dripping Sandwiches! Salt? With Bovril? See Bovril in a jar like Marmite - salt, salt and more salt! I should have shrivelled up and died by now! (fingers crossed behind back and touching wood!) Tel ----- Original Message ----- From: Geoff Fletcher To: dave.mdv Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk ; terrymeadowcroft Sent: Monday, January 14, 2019 7:03 AM Subject: Re: [Tech1] Domestic query And don?t forget the salt for the dripping sandwiches Terry! Geoff F Any more photos of Jan in your archives? On Mon, 14 Jan 2019 at 01:40, dave.mdv via Tech1 > wrote: Hear, hear! Well said Terry, kids today don't know what they're missing! Cheers, Dave -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rogerbunce at btinternet.com Mon Jan 14 03:06:04 2019 From: rogerbunce at btinternet.com (ROGER BUNCE) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2019 09:06:04 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Tech1] Domestic query In-Reply-To: References: <8cee9d2f-4fc5-5f3a-527e-7214b25d1613@btinternet.com> <5e7dd325-3152-1bba-b93e-fc7d3e36abfa@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <1302798222.28303361.1547456764422@mail.yahoo.com> Since we're in nostalgic mood - time to recycle this old thing . . . View Ye Goode Olde Dayes through rose-coloured glasses? Me? Absolutely! You must remember how great it was to be out throwing snowballs on a freezing winter's morning, while still forced to wear short trousers. And the pleasant sensation of warming yourself up again in front of a real coal fire ? radiant heat that roasted you on one side while leaving you shivering on the other - and those jolly red blotches that formed on your legs - and the happy agony of pins-and-needles as sensation returned to your fingers. These youngsters today just don't know the thrill of scraping the frost off the inside of their bedroom windows each morning, or going outside in their dressing gowns to pour kettlefuls of boiling water over frozen pipes. I bet they?ve never had to wring their mum?s washing through the mangle, or get down on hands and knees to polish the lino. They?ve never waited in suspense for the sweep?s brush to pop out of the chimney, or been sent out with the coal shovel to scrap up the horse manure. I don't suppose modern kids even wear smog-masks on their way to school. I mean this, photo-chemical stuff they talk about these days ? that's not real Smog! 1952 was proper Smog. See through it? You could hardly walk through it. And in case you missed it when you were indoors, the grown-ups would obligingly saturate the atmosphere a pea-souper of fag smoke. We were so much healthier in those days, when people lived in asbestos-walled prefabs and ate bread and dripping. Sweets were rationed, of course, but clinic orange juice was so thick with sugar that we hardly needed them. Tooth decay? Nothing you couldn?t cure with a piece of thread and a slamming door. When the School Nurse dipped her steel comb in that pink stuff and ran it through our hair, she never found any nits. That's because nits only like clean hair. We never washed our hair in the '50s ? just smeared on another layer of Brillcream. O.K. once a week we were forced into the bath, and took a scrubbing brush to the accumulated mud and scabs on our knees. "You could grow potatoes on those knees!" cries Mum. I don't know when I first discovered that tips of fingernails were supposed to be white, not black. When the air stank of coal-smoke and most buildings were encrusted with soot, black just seemed a natural colour for everything. Of course, we didn't have to worry about M.M.R. jabs in those days. We just had to have Measles, Mumps and Roubl ? Roob ? German Measles. Not to mention Chicken-Pox, Scarlet Fever, Whooping Cough, Asian Flu and, in my case, Pneumonia. Why bother with vaccinations when you can have the real thing? "Roger, go and visit your friend Colin. He's in bed with a temperature of 160, vomiting and covered in painful purple pustules. We don't know what it is, but you haven't had it yet, so go and get yourself infected. It's always best to catch these things when you're young. And pop into the Cottage Hospital on the way back and get your tonsils taken out." Happy days! And do you remember the humour we found in Corporal Punishment ? all those episodes of Dennis the Menace and Roger the Dodger, which always ended with the hero over Dad's knee being beaten with a slipper. Then there was Nigel Molesworth's guide to ?Kanes I Have Known? and that wonderful TV series "Whacko!" about a cane-happy headmaster. One of the boys was called Wendover, purely so that Jimmy Edwards could use the line "Bend over, Wendover!" How we laughed! No one seems to think that physical abuse of children is very funny anymore. Then there?s that other subject that no one does jokes about anymore. E.g. Laurel and Hardy?s: - ?My father?s just died.? ?I?m sorry to hear that. How did it happen?? ?He fell through a trapdoor and broke his neck.? ?Was he working in the loft?? ?No. They were hanging him.? Or the cartoon of the man dangling on the gallows, with the caption, "This suspense is killing me." Or: - "I say! I say! I say! Why do they never hang a man with a moustache?" "I don't know. Why do they never hang a man with a moustache?" "It's not strong enough. They have to use a rope!" ?I don?t wish to know that! Kindly leave the stage.? People these days don?t even know the difference between ?hung? and ?hanged?. Then there were those marvellous adventure playgrounds we had: the overgrown, ruinous ones that had been specially created for us by Werner Von Braun and his Doodlebugs. There was nothing metaphorical about the word bombsite in those days: all quite safe, apart from the broken glass, occasional bits of shrapnel and sheer drops into open cellars. I found an interesting metal object which would have made a perfect toy spaceship. It had fins at the back and everything! Unfortunately my homecoming cry of, ?Look what I?ve found, Mum!? was greeted by parental hysterics; threats to throw it in a bucket of water, call the bomb squad, etc. It turned out to be the rear end of an incendiary. Later, she used it as a vase. And at the seaside we loved to splash about amongst the rusting remains of barbed-wire entanglements and tank traps. No wonder we never suffered from racial prejudice. We were still much too busy hating the Germans. Those were the days. luv, Rog. On Monday, 14 January 2019, 07:28:42 GMT, Geoff Fletcher via Tech1 wrote: And don?t forget the salt for the dripping sandwiches Terry!Geoff FAny more photos of Jan in your archives? On Mon, 14 Jan 2019 at 01:40, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: Hear, hear! Well said Terry, kids today don't know what they're missing! Cheers, Dave -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From barrybonner119 at btinternet.com Mon Jan 14 03:52:12 2019 From: barrybonner119 at btinternet.com (Barry Bonner) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2019 09:52:12 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Domestic query In-Reply-To: References: <8cee9d2f-4fc5-5f3a-527e-7214b25d1613@btinternet.com> <5e7dd325-3152-1bba-b93e-fc7d3e36abfa@btinternet.com> <7CA2E9415EAE4A55A815F093B21831B2@MEDDIES2012> Message-ID: Bread and dripping available in BBC restaurants (called canteens in those days!), free of charge when I joined in 1965. Bowl of dripping, sliced loaf, and knife on the counter! Barry. On 14 Jan 2019, at 09:01, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 wrote: > Being son of a butcher, lard is from pig fat and dripping from beef fat. Brown streaks probably jellied gravy at the bottom of the bowl - yum, yum! > > > Alasdair Lawrance > alawrance1 at me.com > > > > > > > On 14 Jan 2019, at 08:52, Geoff Fletcher via Tech1 wrote: > > Sorry Tel, missed the significance of the Marmite! I was thinking of the dripping sandwiches I had - with brown meaty streaks in which looked like Marmite. Lost down memory lane again! > G > > On Mon, 14 Jan 2019 at 08:49, terrymeadowcroft wrote: > Geoff! > > These were Bovril and dripping Sandwiches! Salt? With Bovril? See Bovril in a jar like Marmite - salt, salt and more salt! > > I should have shrivelled up and died by now! (fingers crossed behind back and touching wood!) > > Tel > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Geoff Fletcher > To: dave.mdv > Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk ; terrymeadowcroft > Sent: Monday, January 14, 2019 7:03 AM > Subject: Re: [Tech1] Domestic query > > And don?t forget the salt for the dripping sandwiches Terry! > Geoff F > Any more photos of Jan in your archives? > > On Mon, 14 Jan 2019 at 01:40, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: > Hear, hear! Well said Terry, kids today don't know what they're missing! > Cheers, Dave > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com Mon Jan 14 08:16:52 2019 From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2019 14:16:52 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Domestic query In-Reply-To: <1302798222.28303361.1547456764422@mail.yahoo.com> References: <8cee9d2f-4fc5-5f3a-527e-7214b25d1613@btinternet.com> <5e7dd325-3152-1bba-b93e-fc7d3e36abfa@btinternet.com> <1302798222.28303361.1547456764422@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <29fff7ec-f921-0262-709a-3fd024bb6366@gmail.com> Everything you wrote about, Roger, is true ... On 14/01/2019 09:06, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 wrote: > When the air stank of coal-smoke and most buildings were encrusted > with soot, Aided and abetted by the steam locomotives, if you lived near a railway.? Expresses were OK, but the goods trains, waiting against adverse signals and with the fireman trying to keep the fire going - well!? There would be a pall of smoke. Playing marbles in the gutters of the streets - not too much disturbed by cars.? Playing - forgot what it was called - by flipping empty flattened (dirty) fag packets with the fingers towards the pavement - whose went the best?? Fivestones on the pavement (later in life, of course, replaced by flipping beer mats). Filling your mouth with hawthorn berries and using these with a pea-shooter: rolling down hillsides in sections of sewer pipe (and then pushing the pipe back up the hill). Running down the road with your raincoat thrown over your shoulders and done up with just the very top button - is it a bird, is it a plane - no it's Superman from the Saturday morning cinema serial (sixpence (a tanner) downstairs, ninepence upstairs- ). Bits of old prams and scrap wood bound all together and scooted down the road - mine had lever steering.... .... and there's more .... -- Best Regards Alec Alec Bray alec.bray.2 at gmail.com mob: 07789 561 346 home: 0118 981 7502 From j at howell61.f9.co.uk Mon Jan 14 11:30:03 2019 From: j at howell61.f9.co.uk (John Howell) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2019 17:30:03 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Spam blackmail In-Reply-To: References: <8a46f451-4e05-5d51-c53a-45478b03fbaf@gmail.com> Message-ID: I had a strange one from "TV Licensing" saying they could not take "automatic payment" & would I update my card details. Looking at the source details of the preview page I found "TVL[GB]...............__.jp? suggesting a Japanese origin. Anyhow I'm now of an age that doesn't require payment for a license, John H. On 13/01/2019 19:31, Chris Pocock via Tech1 wrote: > I too have received a number of these threats including 2 apparently > from my own email address! > The scammer stated ?I made a double screen video . . . . and the > second part shows the recording of your webcam.? I can?t cover my > webcam as I don?t have one! > The password used is unique to only one site that I use ? > Positickets.co.uk -? so my guess it was hacked from them! > I?m a bit concerned that the scammer can apparently send an email from > my address. > Chris Pocock > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Looking at the source details of the preview page I found "TVL[GB]...............__.jp suggesting a Japanese origin. Anyhow I'm now of an age that doesn't require payment for a license, John H. On 13/01/2019 19:31, Chris Pocock via Tech1 wrote: > I too have received a number of these threats including 2 apparently from my own email address! > The scammer stated ?I made a double screen video . . . . and the second part shows the recording of your webcam.? I can?t cover my webcam as I don?t have one! > The password used is unique to only one site that I use ? Positickets.co.uk - so my guess it was hacked from them! > I?m a bit concerned that the scammer can apparently send an email from my address. > Chris Pocock > -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From patheigham at amps.net Mon Jan 14 12:07:07 2019 From: patheigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2019 18:07:07 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Spam blackmail In-Reply-To: <5ED89006-2F97-4018-8D6D-D69ACA074EAD@me.com> References: <8a46f451-4e05-5d51-c53a-45478b03fbaf@gmail.com> <5ED89006-2F97-4018-8D6D-D69ACA074EAD@me.com> Message-ID: <5c3ccfcb.1c69fb81.c605f.22be@mx.google.com> If it?s of any interest, my 2 e-mail addresses are 1. A BT one, and 2. One which is moderated from my Guild (AMPS), which is hosted by g-mail. This latter is excellent at filtering out scam mails and I haven?t had one for many months. Telephone scams are dealt with by letting my answer machine pick up any that Caller Display flags up as ?withheld? or ?international?. All friends I have who are shy or abroad will leave a genuine message. I would be tempted to reply to scammers with ?f**k *ff?, but that plays into their hands as they then know that the possibly random scatter sending has produced a result as being a real recipient. Haven?t had the ?robbed of wallet on holiday ? send money? one for a long time, but one I did get purported to be from a guy I knew, so phoned him, at home!! Of course it was fake. Best Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 Sent: 14 January 2019 17:37 To: Mr John Howell Cc: Tech Ops List Subject: Re: [Tech1] Spam blackmail The one I had from TV Licensing said it was expiring the day after the date of the e-mail. ?They?re really not very bright, these scammers. I was about to pay a (annual) bill on-line, and noticed the invoice had different BACS details. ?I duly phoned the recipient and was told ?the new details had been there for almost a year, and I was the first one to query them?? Alasdair Lawrance alawrance1 at me.com --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave at davesound.co.uk Mon Jan 14 13:06:12 2019 From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2019 19:06:12 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Tech1] Spam blackmail In-Reply-To: <5c3ccfcb.1c69fb81.c605f.22be@mx.google.com> References: <8a46f451-4e05-5d51-c53a-45478b03fbaf@gmail.com> <5ED89006-2F97-4018-8D6D-D69ACA074EAD@me.com> <5c3ccfcb.1c69fb81.c605f.22be@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <57765ffd8edave@davesound.co.uk> In article <5c3ccfcb.1c69fb81.c605f.22be at mx.google.com>, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > Haven?t had the ?robbed of wallet on holiday ? send money? one for a > long time, but one I did get purported to be from a guy I knew, so > phoned him, at home!! Of course it was fake. I had one of those - supposedly from someone I did know, but only casually. With a pretty unusual name. Stating he had been robbed while on business in Cairo. Good going considering he'd been retired for many a year, and in not too good health. And has a very close family he'd contact long before me. -- *Ever stop to think and forget to start again? Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From peter.neill at icloud.com Mon Jan 14 13:36:15 2019 From: peter.neill at icloud.com (Peter Neill) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2019 19:36:15 GMT Subject: [Tech1] Spam blackmail Message-ID: A view from the other side: My wife sends out a regular group e-mail to about 50 ladies of a certain age. Recently she started getting complaints that her e-mails weren't getting through. All the problem recipients had gmail accounts. Further investigation revealed that the root cause of the problem is that she has an unusual domain name (it ends in .dance) and the stmp relay service she uses is not recognised by gmail as being the same. Some rather arcane changes to settings seems to have resolved this issue, but what surprised me was that all these ladies said that the never check their spam folder "I daren't I might get a virus" was a typical reply. Frankly, I'd rather know what's being filtered out and make my own decision as to what I open anyway. What do others do? Peter On 14 Jan, 2019, at 06:08 PM, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: If it?s of any interest, my 2 e-mail addresses are 1. A BT one, and 2. One which is moderated from my Guild (AMPS), which is hosted by g-mail. This latter is excellent at filtering out scam mails and I haven?t had one for many months. Telephone scams are dealt with by letting my answer machine pick up any that Caller Display flags up as ?withheld? or ?international?. All friends I have who are shy or abroad will leave a genuine message. I would be tempted to reply to scammers with ?f**k *ff?, but that plays into their hands as they then know that the possibly random scatter sending has produced a result as being a real recipient. Haven?t had the ?robbed of wallet on holiday ? send money? one for a long time, but one I did get purported to be from a guy I knew, so phoned him, at home!! Of course it was fake. Best Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 Sent: 14 January 2019 17:37 To: Mr John Howell Cc: Tech Ops List Subject: Re: [Tech1] Spam blackmail The one I had from TV Licensing said it was expiring the day after the date of the e-mail. They?re really not very bright, these scammers. I was about to pay a (annual) bill on-line, and noticed the invoice had different BACS details. I duly phoned the recipient and was told the new details had been there for almost a year, and I was the first one to query them?? Alasdair Lawrance alawrance1 at me.com Virus-free. www.avast.com -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk .msg-quote p.MsoNormal, li.MsoNormal, div.MsoNormal {margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt; font-family: "Calibri",sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;} .msg-quote a:link, span.MsoHyperlink {color: blue; text-decoration: underline; mso-style-priority: 99;} .msg-quote a:visited, span.MsoHyperlinkFollowed {color: rgb(149, 79, 114); text-decoration: underline; mso-style-priority: 99;} .msg-quote .MsoChpDefault {mso-style-type: export-only;} .msg-quote div.WordSection1 {page: WordSection1;} -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Cheers, Dave From ohbytheway.tv at gmail.com Tue Jan 15 05:27:57 2019 From: ohbytheway.tv at gmail.com (David Denness) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2019 11:27:57 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] BBC Sounds comments Message-ID: <000301d4acc5$5e4f5820$1aee0860$@gmail.com> BBC Alumni website is inviting comments on the new Sounds app and web page using this link https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/help/feedback I know a few of us are interested parties Dave D -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From patheigham at amps.net Tue Jan 15 08:23:41 2019 From: patheigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2019 14:23:41 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Spam blackmail In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5c3decee.1c69fb81.f2fac.0ef3@mx.google.com> It?s my understanding that viewing the junk folder does not expose the computer to viruses or trojans, but opening the message might well do so. g-mail is pretty severe at blocking nasties, and I?ve not had any problems. Except that Bernie tells me that some of my postings get junked before reaching tech-ops. I wondered whether this was to do with a new mail programme for me on Windows 10 which I hate ? setting up my addresses, it appears that g-mail doesn?t care if my address contains a ?dot? or not between pat and heigham, but maybe the server that Bernie uses as host, does! My guru (BBC trained sound mixer) advised me to invest in a VPN (Virtual Private Network) which disguises your ISP and pretends that your access to the web is coming from somewhere else) Avast offers this at ?19/annum, and also has a free virus protection programme which for me has worked impeccably. Also worthwhile is Malwarebytes which scans your computer for nasties and quarantines them for later dismissal (free download). Best Pat (dotless, not dotty!) Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Peter Neill via Tech1 Sent: 14 January 2019 19:36 To: Tech Ops List Subject: Re: [Tech1] Spam blackmail A view from the other side: My wife sends out a regular group e-mail to about 50 ladies of a certain age. Recently she started getting complaints that her e-mails weren't getting through. All the problem recipients had gmail accounts. Further investigation revealed that the root cause of the problem is that she has an unusual domain name (it ends in .dance) and the stmp relay service she uses is not recognised by gmail as being the same. Some rather arcane changes to settings seems to have resolved this issue, but what surprised me was that all these ladies said that the never check their spam folder "I daren't I might get a virus" was a typical reply. Frankly, I'd rather know what's being filtered out and make my own decision as to what I open anyway. What do others do? 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And it could be used to watch online BBC programmes when abroad. TouchVPN has many other features, which can be seen in the following picture. [image: TouchVPN.png] On Tue, 15 Jan 2019 at 14:24, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > It?s my understanding that viewing the junk folder does not expose the > computer to viruses or trojans, but opening the message might well do so. > > g-mail is pretty severe at blocking nasties, and I?ve not had any > problems. Except that Bernie tells me that some of my postings get junked > before reaching tech-ops. I wondered whether this was to do with a new mail > programme for me on Windows 10 which I hate ? setting up my addresses, it > appears that g-mail doesn?t care if my address contains a ?dot? or not > between pat and heigham, but maybe the server that Bernie uses as host, > does! > > My guru (BBC trained sound mixer) advised me to invest in a VPN (Virtual > Private Network) which disguises your ISP and pretends that your access to > the web is coming from somewhere else) Avast offers this at ?19/annum, and > also has a free virus protection programme which for me has worked > impeccably. Also worthwhile is Malwarebytes which scans your computer for > nasties and quarantines them for later dismissal (free download). > > Best > > Pat (dotless, not dotty!) > > > > Sent from Mail for > Windows 10 > > > > *From: *Peter Neill via Tech1 > *Sent: *14 January 2019 19:36 > *To: *Tech Ops List > *Subject: *Re: [Tech1] Spam blackmail > > > > A view from the other side: > > > > My wife sends out a regular group e-mail to about 50 ladies of a certain > age. > > > > Recently she started getting complaints that her e-mails weren't getting > through. > > All the problem recipients had gmail accounts. > > > > Further investigation revealed that the root cause of the problem is that > she has an unusual domain name (it ends in .dance) and the stmp relay > service she uses is not recognised by gmail as being the same. > > Some rather arcane changes to settings seems to have resolved this issue, > but what surprised me was that all these ladies said that the never check > their spam folder "I daren't I might get a virus" was a typical reply. > > > > Frankly, I'd rather know what's being filtered out and make my own > decision as to what I open anyway. > > > > What do others do? > > > > > > Peter > > > > > > > Virus-free. > www.avast.com > > <#m_8850097553451775912_DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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So says the garage owner, who insists he always pays full whack locally, because it burns better and gives more mpg. OK, there are enough automobile addicts on this list to unveil the fake news versus the holy grail, over to you lads.......... TeaTeaFN - Tony -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From grahamthecameraman at icloud.com Tue Jan 15 16:00:48 2019 From: grahamthecameraman at icloud.com (Graham Maunder) Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2019 22:00:48 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Petrol quality In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <58E8EB17-4CC1-4C22-B373-C2DB2076A27B@icloud.com> Tony I used to be one of the people who only went to ?real? petrol stations until I really thought about it. Surely it?s like everything else - there is a British (or Euro) Standard for fuel and it has to be the same (unless you pay the extra for the fuel with additives). On a strange twist to this, I now actually choose to go to my nearest Tesco garage for the fuel for my old E-Type as the unleaded ?plus? fuel there is rated at 99 octane whereas the Shell, BP & ESSO unleaded plus is only 97 octane. I also take my hat off to Jaguar for making such an amazing engine to start with that used to have leaded 4 star but still works perfectly with unleaded (& no additives!). Graham Maunder Sent from my iPhone > On 15 Jan 2019, at 20:58, Tony Grant via Tech1 wrote: > > Many, many years ago I was told that you should always buy 'reliable' petrol, from garages such as BP, Shell, Esso, etc. A few years further down the line I was told this was nonsense, as all the petrol came from the same refineries, and no one brand was distinguishable from another. > > Heaven help us, I was complaining today whilst having my car MOT'd about the difference of 10p per litre between local garages and supermarkets such as Asda. 'Ah but the supermarkets get all the sludge and rubbish remains after the 'good' stuff has been sent to branded forecourts.' So says the garage owner, who insists he always pays full whack locally, because it burns better and gives more mpg. > > OK, there are enough automobile addicts on this list to unveil the fake news versus the holy grail, over to you lads.......... > > TeaTeaFN - Tony > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From dave at davesound.co.uk Tue Jan 15 18:21:39 2019 From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2019 00:21:39 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Tech1] Petrol quality In-Reply-To: <58E8EB17-4CC1-4C22-B373-C2DB2076A27B@icloud.com> References: <58E8EB17-4CC1-4C22-B373-C2DB2076A27B@icloud.com> Message-ID: <577700b5b3dave@davesound.co.uk> In article <58E8EB17-4CC1-4C22-B373-C2DB2076A27B at icloud.com>, Graham Maunder via Tech1 wrote: > I also take my hat off to Jaguar for making such an amazing engine to > start with that used to have leaded 4 star but still works perfectly > with unleaded (& no additives!). It's purely down to having an aluminium cylinder head. This requires valve seat inserts made from steel. Cheaper engines had cast iron heads with the valve seats cut direct into that. And it's the cast iron which erodes with no lead in the petrol. -- *One nice thing about egotists: they don't talk about other people. Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Wed Jan 16 05:48:19 2019 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2019 11:48:19 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Petrol quality In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5a2fa036-0207-6ca8-49cd-29ec580f4d8e@btinternet.com> Many years ago when supermarkets began selling fuel it was rumoured that it was cheaper because it had none of the additives that you got in fuel from a traditional filling station. Later on, it was announced that the supermarket fuel now had the additives. A few years ago, Shell added something which was reported to have damaged lots of engines, so it was withdrawn after a time. For many years I used a 'Carbonflo' device which consisted of a stainless steel mesh encasing some alloy balls which was kept in the fuel tank. It was reputably developed in WW2 to enhance the Russian fuel (which was very low octane ~80!) so that the Spitfire Merlin engines could use it. Cheers, Dave From dave at davesound.co.uk Wed Jan 16 07:35:14 2019 From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2019 13:35:14 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Tech1] Petrol quality In-Reply-To: <5a2fa036-0207-6ca8-49cd-29ec580f4d8e@btinternet.com> References: <5a2fa036-0207-6ca8-49cd-29ec580f4d8e@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <5777495d60dave@davesound.co.uk> There was said to be a problem in the 90s with some supermarkets importing petrol with a high sulphur content, which destroyed the lining on the bores of some engines - Nikasil. Not sure if the specs for fuel which can be sold legally in the UK were amended since. Plenty stories of different brand tankers leaving the same refineries. Whether it would be cost effective to produce a low grade fuel specially for some supermarkets in the same refinery, I dunno. My last three cars have all said to use 'Super' (97+ octane) if possible. Not noticing any difference in performance, I've logged MPG over a long journey several times, using that one way, and 95 the other. Now if the engine was adapting to the better fuel by advancing the ignition, the MPG should be better. But my results inconclusive. BTW, Carbonflow was shown in lab tests to be a con. ;-) -- *Sherlock Holmes never said "Elementary, my dear Watson" * Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From graeme.wall at icloud.com Wed Jan 16 07:55:24 2019 From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2019 13:55:24 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Petrol quality In-Reply-To: <5777495d60dave@davesound.co.uk> References: <5a2fa036-0207-6ca8-49cd-29ec580f4d8e@btinternet.com> <5777495d60dave@davesound.co.uk> Message-ID: <4990F8AA-9A61-4EE6-922D-3D900FA8C78A@icloud.com> ? Graeme Wall > On 16 Jan 2019, at 13:35, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: > > BTW, Carbonflow was shown in lab tests to be a con. ;-) Still advertised From dave at davesound.co.uk Wed Jan 16 08:22:41 2019 From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2019 14:22:41 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Tech1] Petrol quality In-Reply-To: <4990F8AA-9A61-4EE6-922D-3D900FA8C78A@icloud.com> References: <5a2fa036-0207-6ca8-49cd-29ec580f4d8e@btinternet.com> <5777495d60dave@davesound.co.uk> <4990F8AA-9A61-4EE6-922D-3D900FA8C78A@icloud.com> Message-ID: <57774db4e9dave@davesound.co.uk> In article <4990F8AA-9A61-4EE6-922D-3D900FA8C78A at icloud.com>, Graeme Wall wrote: > ? > Graeme Wall > > On 16 Jan 2019, at 13:35, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: > > > > BTW, Carbonflow was shown in lab tests to be a con. ;-) > Still advertised Ah - now promoted to cut emmissions. A very versatile device. ;-) -- *Frustration is trying to find your glasses without your glasses. Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk Wed Jan 16 08:52:38 2019 From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2019 14:52:38 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Petrol quality In-Reply-To: <5777495d60dave@davesound.co.uk> References: <5a2fa036-0207-6ca8-49cd-29ec580f4d8e@btinternet.com> <5777495d60dave@davesound.co.uk> Message-ID: On 16/01/2019 13:35, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: > BTW, Carbonflow was shown in lab tests to be a con. ;-) Certainly is! There are several "magic" additive systems that variously claim to use "alloy" or "tin" to enhance fuel, improve mileage, avoid valve seat damage, burn more cleanly - you name it. Much like the "magnetic descaler" units, they are excellent at removing money from wallets, but have never been able to prove any other useful action. Nor are they ever likely to be successful, given the impossibility of the declared chemistry. I note that at least one of these products is very careful to declare that it should ~not~ be used in aircraft engines. And I suspect that any Spitfire trying to use something like to enable it to run on inferior fuel would have suffered catastrophic engine failure within a very short time. Chris Woolf --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From hughsheppard at btinternet.com Wed Jan 16 09:40:54 2019 From: hughsheppard at btinternet.com (Hugh Sheppard) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2019 15:40:54 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Petrol quality In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: In the 60's, the late, great Bill Body of Motorsport fame said 'Nothing changes; essentially a 1 ton motor car averaging 30 mph averages around 30 miles per gallon" - or words to that effect. It's probably true today to say that essentially, a 1 ton motor car averaging 60 mph averages closer to 60 mpg nowadays.? How come? And is there further still to go? Hugh On 15-Jan-19 8:58 PM, Tony Grant via Tech1 wrote: > Many, many years ago I was told that you should always buy 'reliable' > petrol, from garages such as BP, Shell, Esso, etc. A few years further > down the line I was told this was nonsense, as all the petrol came > from the same refineries, and no one brand was distinguishable from > another. > > Heaven help us, I was complaining today whilst having my car MOT'd > about the difference of 10p per litre between local garages and > supermarkets such as Asda. 'Ah but the supermarkets get all the sludge > and rubbish remains after the 'good' stuff has been sent to branded > forecourts.' So says the garage owner, who insists he always pays full > whack locally, because it burns better and gives more mpg. > > OK, there are enough automobile addicts on this list to unveil the > fake news versus the holy grail, over to you lads.......... > > TeaTeaFN - Tony > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From alawrance1 at me.com Wed Jan 16 11:34:36 2019 From: alawrance1 at me.com (Alasdair Lawrance) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2019 17:34:36 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] TO 20 Message-ID: A recent thread was about group photos from Evesham. I don?t remember being in one, but I?m prepared to be corrected - was anyone on this list on TO 20, and was there a group photo? I?d like a copy if there was one. Alasdair Lawrance alawrance1 at me.com From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Wed Jan 16 11:59:47 2019 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2019 17:59:47 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Petrol quality In-Reply-To: References: <5a2fa036-0207-6ca8-49cd-29ec580f4d8e@btinternet.com> <5777495d60dave@davesound.co.uk> Message-ID: <73b421cd-f5ce-e64a-781f-47de1041f0d2@btinternet.com> I think they actually sent Spitfires to Russia so they must have re-fuelled them with something that worked! Another great 'invention' was the 'Norton Ignition Converter' which was fitted between the coil and the distributor to turn a single spark into lots, to achieve better combustion! I also had one of those for many years! Perhaps I just wanted to believe in people's honesty! Cheers, Dave From dave at davesound.co.uk Wed Jan 16 12:14:35 2019 From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2019 18:14:35 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Tech1] Petrol quality In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <577762f08adave@davesound.co.uk> In article , Hugh Sheppard via Tech1 wrote: > In the 60's, the late, great Bill Body of Motorsport fame said 'Nothing > changes; essentially a 1 ton motor car averaging 30 mph averages around > 30 miles per gallon" - or words to that effect. > It's probably true today to say that essentially, a 1 ton motor car > averaging 60 mph averages closer to 60 mpg nowadays. How come? And is > there further still to go? He was talking about petrol cars, though. Do any today manage 60 mpg at 60 MPH? -- *My designated driver drove me to drink Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From dave at davesound.co.uk Wed Jan 16 12:13:04 2019 From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2019 18:13:04 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Tech1] Petrol quality In-Reply-To: <73b421cd-f5ce-e64a-781f-47de1041f0d2@btinternet.com> References: <5a2fa036-0207-6ca8-49cd-29ec580f4d8e@btinternet.com> <5777495d60dave@davesound.co.uk> <73b421cd-f5ce-e64a-781f-47de1041f0d2@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <577762cceadave@davesound.co.uk> In article <73b421cd-f5ce-e64a-781f-47de1041f0d2 at btinternet.com>, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: > I think they actually sent Spitfires to Russia so they must have > re-fuelled them with something that worked! Another great 'invention' > was the 'Norton Ignition Converter' which was fitted between the coil > and the distributor to turn a single spark into lots, to achieve better > combustion! I also had one of those for many years! Perhaps I just > wanted to believe in people's honesty! Cheers, Dave My answer to all of these is:- If they worked, why didn't car makers fit them from new? A small amount on the price of a new car to make it work better. -- *I'd kill for a Nobel Peace Prize * Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From geoffletch at gmail.com Wed Jan 16 13:53:10 2019 From: geoffletch at gmail.com (Geoff Fletcher) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2019 19:53:10 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Petrol quality In-Reply-To: <577762f08adave@davesound.co.uk> References: <577762f08adave@davesound.co.uk> Message-ID: Hurricanes were supplied to Russia in WW2 as were Bell Airacobras, Douglas Bostons and some other types. Geoff F On Wed, 16 Jan 2019 at 18:23, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: > In article , > Hugh Sheppard via Tech1 wrote: > > In the 60's, the late, great Bill Body of Motorsport fame said 'Nothing > > changes; essentially a 1 ton motor car averaging 30 mph averages around > > 30 miles per gallon" - or words to that effect. > > > It's probably true today to say that essentially, a 1 ton motor car > > averaging 60 mph averages closer to 60 mpg nowadays. How come? And is > > there further still to go? > > He was talking about petrol cars, though. Do any today manage 60 mpg at 60 > MPH? > > -- > *My designated driver drove me to drink > > Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Cheers and thanks, Nick. 07802-246088 Sent from my iPad -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From patheigham at amps.net Thu Jan 17 09:41:10 2019 From: patheigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2019 15:41:10 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Petrol quality In-Reply-To: <577762cceadave@davesound.co.uk> References: <5a2fa036-0207-6ca8-49cd-29ec580f4d8e@btinternet.com> <5777495d60dave@davesound.co.uk> <73b421cd-f5ce-e64a-781f-47de1041f0d2@btinternet.com> <577762cceadave@davesound.co.uk> Message-ID: <5c40a217.1c69fb81.d7951.bdf2@mx.google.com> Regarding mpg and supermarket filling stations ? I use Sainsbury?s Unleaded, which is flagged up as the cheapest in my area by Petrol Prices (worth signing up for regular updates- they monitor prices within 5km of your area). I usually get between 39 and 41.5 mpg with a 3 litre engine on an expensive BMW Sport Coupe for a long run on A roads/motorways >100 miles. Best has been 45.5. I never lift the bonnet ? leaving that to the service technicians ? it?s all computerised now. Gone are the days when my Dad helped me regrind valve seats on my Triumph Herald! Best Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Dave Plowman via Tech1 Sent: 16 January 2019 18:22 To: Chris Woolf; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Petrol quality In article <73b421cd-f5ce-e64a-781f-47de1041f0d2 at btinternet.com>, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: > I think they actually sent Spitfires to Russia so they must have > re-fuelled them with something that worked! Another great 'invention' > was the 'Norton Ignition Converter' which was fitted between the coil > and the distributor to turn a single spark into lots, to achieve better > combustion! I also had one of those for many years! Perhaps I just > wanted to believe in people's honesty! Cheers, Dave My answer to all of these is:- If they worked, why didn't car makers fit them from new? A small amount on the price of a new car to make it work better. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gary_critcher at yahoo.com Thu Jan 17 11:05:55 2019 From: gary_critcher at yahoo.com (Gary Critcher) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2019 17:05:55 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Tech1] Petrol quality References: <1543356385.1886829.1547744755042.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1543356385.1886829.1547744755042@mail.yahoo.com> I always try and use an Asda filling station out by Thorpe Park. .they are ALWAYS at least 5p a litre cheaper than anywhere else.. -------------------------------------------- On Thu, 17/1/19, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: Subject: Re: [Tech1] Petrol quality To: "Dave Plowman" , "Chris Woolf" , "tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk" Date: Thursday, 17 January, 2019, 16:41 Regarding mpg and supermarket filling stations ? I use Sainsbury?s Unleaded, which is flagged up as the cheapest in my area by Petrol Prices (worth signing up for regular updates- they monitor prices within 5km of your area).I usually get between 39 and 41.5 mpg with a 3 litre engine on an expensive BMW Sport Coupe for a long run on A roads/motorways >100 miles. Best has been 45.5.I never lift the bonnet ? leaving that to the service technicians ? it?s all computerised now. Gone are the days when my Dad helped me regrind valve seats on my Triumph Herald!BestPat ?Sent from Mail for Windows 10 ?From: Dave Plowman via Tech1 Sent: 16 January 2019 18:22 To: Chris Woolf; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Petrol quality ?In article <73b421cd-f5ce-e64a-781f-47de1041f0d2 at btinternet.com>,?? dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote:> I think they actually sent Spitfires to Russia so they must have > re-fuelled them with something that worked! Another great 'invention' > was the 'Norton Ignition Converter' which was fitted between the coil > and the distributor to turn a single spark into lots, to achieve better > combustion! I also had one of those for many years! Perhaps I just > wanted to believe in people's honesty! Cheers, Dave ?My answer to all of these is:- If they worked, why didn't car makers fitthem from new? A small amount on the price of a new car to make it workbetter. ? ? Virus-free. www.avast.com -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -----Inline Attachment Follows----- From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net Thu Jan 17 11:40:02 2019 From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt) Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2019 17:40:02 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] Fw: Petrol quality Message-ID: <830ED5FF9FF24FF4A7DC399B390C4776@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> From: David Newbitt Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2019 5:36 PM To: patheigham Subject: Re: [Tech1] Petrol quality Hi Pat ? enjoyed your reminder of regrinding valve seats. I think buried somewhere I still have the dowel stick with different size rubber suction cups at the two ends. Seem to remember tins of grinding paste with lids at each end ? one for coarse paste, one for fine. Of course if the seats were bad they needed a valve seat cutter which cost more money! Funnily enough I had a Herald, a 1200 convertible seen here in SW France in 1964. Rod Stebbing in the nearside rear seat, his sister on his right and her husband beside me in the front passenger street. We were en route to Collioure ? happy days. Regards to all, Dave Newbitt. From: patheigham via Tech1 Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2019 3:41 PM To: Dave Plowman ; Chris Woolf ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Petrol quality Regarding mpg and supermarket filling stations ? I use Sainsbury?s Unleaded, which is flagged up as the cheapest in my area by Petrol Prices (worth signing up for regular updates- they monitor prices within 5km of your area). I usually get between 39 and 41.5 mpg with a 3 litre engine on an expensive BMW Sport Coupe for a long run on A roads/motorways >100 miles. Best has been 45.5. I never lift the bonnet ? leaving that to the service technicians ? it?s all computerised now. Gone are the days when my Dad helped me regrind valve seats on my Triumph Herald! Best Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Dave Plowman via Tech1 Sent: 16 January 2019 18:22 To: Chris Woolf; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Petrol quality In article <73b421cd-f5ce-e64a-781f-47de1041f0d2 at btinternet.com>, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: > I think they actually sent Spitfires to Russia so they must have > re-fuelled them with something that worked! Another great 'invention' > was the 'Norton Ignition Converter' which was fitted between the coil > and the distributor to turn a single spark into lots, to achieve better > combustion! I also had one of those for many years! Perhaps I just > wanted to believe in people's honesty! Cheers, Dave My answer to all of these is:- If they worked, why didn't car makers fit them from new? A small amount on the price of a new car to make it work better. 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If the number of litres sold drops off, the price comes down to encourage more sales. When sales increase above a target threshold, the price can be nudged up accordingly. The Shell stn over the road from here is normally among the most expensive in the area (lots of passing custom), but today even they are down to 119.9p. Sainsbury?s Burpham this afternoon was 118.9p, but I think I spent the saved penny by going there! Of course, if we?re watching the pennies, another saving would be a less expensive BMW with a smaller capacity engine. A 3 litre engine to carry one person is hard to justify. The environment would like that too. Best wishes as ever, Nick. Sent from my iPad On 17 Jan 2019, at 17:06, Gary Critcher via Tech1 > wrote: I always try and use an Asda filling station out by Thorpe Park. .they are ALWAYS at least 5p a litre cheaper than anywhere else.. -------------------------------------------- On Thu, 17/1/19, patheigham via Tech1 > wrote: Subject: Re: [Tech1] Petrol quality To: "Dave Plowman" >, "Chris Woolf" >, "tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk" > Date: Thursday, 17 January, 2019, 16:41 Regarding mpg and supermarket filling stations ? I use Sainsbury?s Unleaded, which is flagged up as the cheapest in my area by Petrol Prices (worth signing up for regular updates- they monitor prices within 5km of your area).I usually get between 39 and 41.5 mpg with a 3 litre engine on an expensive BMW Sport Coupe for a long run on A roads/motorways >100 miles. Best has been 45.5.I never lift the bonnet ? leaving that to the service technicians ? it?s all computerised now. Gone are the days when my Dad helped me regrind valve seats on my Triumph Herald!BestPat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Dave Plowman via Tech1 Sent: 16 January 2019 18:22 To: Chris Woolf; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Petrol quality In article <73b421cd-f5ce-e64a-781f-47de1041f0d2 at btinternet.com>, dave.mdv via Tech1 > wrote:> I think they actually sent Spitfires to Russia so they must have > re-fuelled them with something that worked! Another great 'invention' was the 'Norton Ignition Converter' which was fitted between the coil > and the distributor to turn a single spark into lots, to achieve better > combustion! I also had one of those for many years! Perhaps I just > wanted to believe in people's honesty! Cheers, Dave My answer to all of these is:- If they worked, why didn't car makers fitthem from new? A small amount on the price of a new car to make it workbetter. 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Dickie and I thought it would be fun to up its performance by re-boring the cylinders and fitting oversize pistons and rings. I can still see him sitting on the front wheel opposite me as we did it. Then there were the twin SU?s to play with - ah, but I think we?ve done that topic. Except, just to bore you a bit more: the Spitfire?s fuel pump had an irritating habit of stopping ticking just as you were stonking down the A3 in the fast lane overtaking everyone. Awkward to say the least! The solution? A piece of string through the bulkhead, tied round the pump. Quick tug and ticking again. Happy days! Nick. Sent from my iPad On 17 Jan 2019, at 17:40, David Newbitt via Tech1 > wrote: From: David Newbitt Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2019 5:36 PM To: patheigham Subject: Re: [Tech1] Petrol quality Hi Pat ? enjoyed your reminder of regrinding valve seats. I think buried somewhere I still have the dowel stick with different size rubber suction cups at the two ends. Seem to remember tins of grinding paste with lids at each end ? one for coarse paste, one for fine. Of course if the seats were bad they needed a valve seat cutter which cost more money! Funnily enough I had a Herald, a 1200 convertible seen here in SW France in 1964. Rod Stebbing in the nearside rear seat, his sister on his right and her husband beside me in the front passenger street. We were en route to Collioure ? happy days. Regards to all, Dave Newbitt. From: patheigham via Tech1 Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2019 3:41 PM To: Dave Plowman ; Chris Woolf ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Petrol quality Regarding mpg and supermarket filling stations ? I use Sainsbury?s Unleaded, which is flagged up as the cheapest in my area by Petrol Prices (worth signing up for regular updates- they monitor prices within 5km of your area). I usually get between 39 and 41.5 mpg with a 3 litre engine on an expensive BMW Sport Coupe for a long run on A roads/motorways >100 miles. Best has been 45.5. I never lift the bonnet ? leaving that to the service technicians ? it?s all computerised now. Gone are the days when my Dad helped me regrind valve seats on my Triumph Herald! Best Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Dave Plowman via Tech1 Sent: 16 January 2019 18:22 To: Chris Woolf; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Petrol quality In article <73b421cd-f5ce-e64a-781f-47de1041f0d2 at btinternet.com>, dave.mdv via Tech1 > wrote: > I think they actually sent Spitfires to Russia so they must have > re-fuelled them with something that worked! Another great 'invention' > was the 'Norton Ignition Converter' which was fitted between the coil > and the distributor to turn a single spark into lots, to achieve better > combustion! I also had one of those for many years! Perhaps I just > wanted to believe in people's honesty! Cheers, Dave My answer to all of these is:- If they worked, why didn't car makers fit them from new? 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From: Nick Ware via Tech1 Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2019 6:19 PM To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Fw: Petrol quality I have fond memories of Dickie Chamberlain helping me grind in new valves on my Triumph Herald, as he had done before on my first car, a Morris Minor 1000. Then, a couple of years later I sold my Hasselblad outfit to buy a Spitfire. Dickie and I thought it would be fun to up its performance by re-boring the cylinders and fitting oversize pistons and rings. I can still see him sitting on the front wheel opposite me as we did it. Then there were the twin SU?s to play with - ah, but I think we?ve done that topic. Except, just to bore you a bit more: the Spitfire?s fuel pump had an irritating habit of stopping ticking just as you were stonking down the A3 in the fast lane overtaking everyone. Awkward to say the least! The solution? A piece of string through the bulkhead, tied round the pump. Quick tug and ticking again. Happy days! Nick. Sent from my iPad On 17 Jan 2019, at 17:40, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: From: David Newbitt Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2019 5:36 PM To: patheigham Subject: Re: [Tech1] Petrol quality Hi Pat ? enjoyed your reminder of regrinding valve seats. I think buried somewhere I still have the dowel stick with different size rubber suction cups at the two ends. Seem to remember tins of grinding paste with lids at each end ? one for coarse paste, one for fine. Of course if the seats were bad they needed a valve seat cutter which cost more money! Funnily enough I had a Herald, a 1200 convertible seen here in SW France in 1964. Rod Stebbing in the nearside rear seat, his sister on his right and her husband beside me in the front passenger street. We were en route to Collioure ? happy days. Regards to all, Dave Newbitt. From: patheigham via Tech1 Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2019 3:41 PM To: Dave Plowman ; Chris Woolf ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Petrol quality Regarding mpg and supermarket filling stations ? I use Sainsbury?s Unleaded, which is flagged up as the cheapest in my area by Petrol Prices (worth signing up for regular updates- they monitor prices within 5km of your area). I usually get between 39 and 41.5 mpg with a 3 litre engine on an expensive BMW Sport Coupe for a long run on A roads/motorways >100 miles. Best has been 45.5. I never lift the bonnet ? leaving that to the service technicians ? it?s all computerised now. Gone are the days when my Dad helped me regrind valve seats on my Triumph Herald! Best Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Dave Plowman via Tech1 Sent: 16 January 2019 18:22 To: Chris Woolf; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Petrol quality In article <73b421cd-f5ce-e64a-781f-47de1041f0d2 at btinternet.com>, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: > I think they actually sent Spitfires to Russia so they must have > re-fuelled them with something that worked! Another great 'invention' > was the 'Norton Ignition Converter' which was fitted between the coil > and the distributor to turn a single spark into lots, to achieve better > combustion! I also had one of those for many years! Perhaps I just > wanted to believe in people's honesty! Cheers, Dave My answer to all of these is:- If they worked, why didn't car makers fit them from new? A small amount on the price of a new car to make it work better. 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Then after the Spitfire, for some reason I bought a Datsun. Worst car I ever had. Never, ever did manage to get it to fire on more then three cylinders. But the silliest car I ever had was a Citroen. That broke down one night on the roundabout by London Wall. Ludicrously, without the engine running, the suspension sat down so you couldn?t even tow it. Nick. Sent from my iPad On 17 Jan 2019, at 18:44, David Newbitt > wrote: Well done Nick, common ground again ? I followed my Herald with a MK II Spitfire. Loved it despite the hair-raising tendency of the transverse rear leaf suspension to cause sudden transition of camber from negative to positive on the outside rear wheel when cornering near the limit. Don?t know how we all survived. Dave Newbitt. From: Nick Ware via Tech1 Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2019 6:19 PM To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Fw: Petrol quality I have fond memories of Dickie Chamberlain helping me grind in new valves on my Triumph Herald, as he had done before on my first car, a Morris Minor 1000. Then, a couple of years later I sold my Hasselblad outfit to buy a Spitfire. Dickie and I thought it would be fun to up its performance by re-boring the cylinders and fitting oversize pistons and rings. I can still see him sitting on the front wheel opposite me as we did it. Then there were the twin SU?s to play with - ah, but I think we?ve done that topic. Except, just to bore you a bit more: the Spitfire?s fuel pump had an irritating habit of stopping ticking just as you were stonking down the A3 in the fast lane overtaking everyone. Awkward to say the least! The solution? A piece of string through the bulkhead, tied round the pump. Quick tug and ticking again. Happy days! Nick. Sent from my iPad -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From patheigham at amps.net Fri Jan 18 07:17:50 2019 From: patheigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2019 13:17:50 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Petrol quality In-Reply-To: References: <1543356385.1886829.1547744755042.ref@mail.yahoo.com>, <1543356385.1886829.1547744755042@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5c41d1fe.1c69fb81.f8c43.ba7d@mx.google.com> The 3 litre was a mistake! I constructed the spec on-line, and wanted a 2.5 litre engine (petrol not diesel as the extra cost of a diesel would take 37 years to recoup on the increased mpg, given low annual mileage). It was only when organising insurance that it was pointed out that the capacity of the 325 was actually 3 litre and not 2.5 as I expected! However I love the car and it was a retirement present to myself, using the tax-free cash lump sum when my pensions matured. Also made use of the government scrappage scheme on the old car, ?2000, when the value of the 18 year old one was probably only ?1200. The dealership I went back to were so pleased for my custom that they knocked off a further ?2250, thus making it affordable. It?ll see me out as I can?t see me changing it. Anyway, at 76, I am entitled to a bit of luxury which I have earned! A sobering thought, that when I had my first Triumph Herald, one got two gallons at 4/3d and change from a ten bob note! Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Nick Ware via Tech1 Sent: 17 January 2019 17:56 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Petrol quality Did you know that the price of fuel at petrol stations is calculated by the till, and not the manager? If the number of litres sold drops off, the price comes down to encourage more sales. When sales increase above a target threshold, the price can be nudged up accordingly. The Shell stn over the road from here is normally among the most expensive in the area (lots of passing custom), but today even they are down to 119.9p. Sainsbury?s Burpham this afternoon was 118.9p, but I think I spent the saved penny by going there! Of course, if we?re watching the pennies, another saving would be a less expensive BMW with a smaller capacity engine. A 3 litre engine to carry one person is hard to justify. The environment would like that too. Best wishes as ever, Nick. Sent from my iPad -------------------------------------------- On Thu, 17/1/19, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: Subject: Re: [Tech1] Petrol quality To: "Dave Plowman" , "Chris Woolf" , "tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk" Date: Thursday, 17 January, 2019, 16:41 Regarding mpg and supermarket filling stations ? I use Sainsbury?s Unleaded, which is flagged up as the cheapest in my area by Petrol Prices (worth signing up for regular updates- they monitor prices within 5km of your area).I usually get between 39 and 41.5 mpg with a 3 litre engine on an expensive BMW Sport Coupe for a long run on A roads/motorways >100 miles. Best has been 45.5.I never lift the bonnet ? leaving that to the service technicians ? it?s all computerised now. Gone are the days when my Dad helped me regrind valve seats on my Triumph Herald!BestPat ?Sent from Mail for Windows 10 ? ? ? ? ? ?Virus-free. www.avast.com ? ? ? ? ? ? --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From brian.curtis.bluesky at gmail.com Fri Jan 18 10:22:23 2019 From: brian.curtis.bluesky at gmail.com (Brian Curtis) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2019 16:22:23 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Petrol quality In-Reply-To: <5c41d1fe.1c69fb81.f8c43.ba7d@mx.google.com> References: <1543356385.1886829.1547744755042.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1543356385.1886829.1547744755042@mail.yahoo.com> <5c41d1fe.1c69fb81.f8c43.ba7d@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Over here on Isle of Wight we are fortunate with petrol prices. Local ASDA is currently 113.7 / litre Cheers Brian Curtis On Fri, 18 Jan 2019, 13:18 patheigham via Tech1 The 3 litre was a mistake! > > I constructed the spec on-line, and wanted a 2.5 litre engine (petrol not > diesel as the extra cost of a diesel would take 37 years to recoup on the > increased mpg, given low annual mileage). It was only when organising > > insurance that it was pointed out that the capacity of the 325 was > actually 3 litre and not 2.5 as I expected! > > However I love the car and it was a retirement present to myself, using > the tax-free cash lump sum when my pensions matured. Also made use of the > government scrappage scheme on the old car, ?2000, when the value of the 18 > year old one was probably only ?1200. The dealership I went back to were so > pleased for my custom that they knocked off a further ?2250, thus making it > affordable. It?ll see me out as I can?t see me changing it. > > Anyway, at 76, I am entitled to a bit of luxury which I have earned! > > A sobering thought, that when I had my first Triumph Herald, one got two > *gallons* at 4/3d and change from a ten bob note! > > Pat > > > > Sent from Mail for > Windows 10 > > > > *From: *Nick Ware via Tech1 > *Sent: *17 January 2019 17:56 > *To: *tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > *Subject: *Re: [Tech1] Petrol quality > > > > Did you know that the price of fuel at petrol stations is calculated by > the till, and not the manager? If the number of litres sold drops off, the > price comes down to encourage more sales. When sales increase above a > target threshold, the price can be nudged up accordingly. The Shell stn > over the road from here is normally among the most expensive in the area > (lots of passing custom), but today even they are down to 119.9p. > Sainsbury?s Burpham this afternoon was 118.9p, but I think I spent the > saved penny by going there! > > > > Of course, if we?re watching the pennies, another saving would be a less > expensive BMW with a smaller capacity engine. A 3 litre engine to carry one > person is hard to justify. The environment would like that too. > > Best wishes as ever, > > Nick. > > Sent from my iPad > > > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------- > On Thu, 17/1/19, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > > Subject: Re: [Tech1] Petrol quality > To: "Dave Plowman" , "Chris Woolf" < > chris at chriswoolf.co.uk>, "tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk" > Date: Thursday, 17 January, 2019, 16:41 > > Regarding > mpg and supermarket filling stations ? I use Sainsbury?s > Unleaded, which is flagged up as the cheapest in my area by > Petrol Prices (worth signing up for regular updates- they > monitor prices within 5km of your area).I usually get between 39 and > 41.5 mpg with a 3 litre engine on an expensive BMW Sport > Coupe for a long run on A roads/motorways >100 miles. > Best has been 45.5.I > never lift the bonnet ? leaving that to the service > technicians ? it?s all computerised now. Gone are the > days when my Dad helped me regrind valve seats on my Triumph > Herald!BestPat Sent from Mail > for Windows 10 > > > > Virus-free. www.avast.com > > > > > > > > Virus-free. > www.avast.com > > <#m_-1855648665796040068_DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jpn at imixmics.co.uk Fri Jan 18 10:58:34 2019 From: jpn at imixmics.co.uk (John Nottage) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2019 16:58:34 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Petrol quality In-Reply-To: <5c41d1fe.1c69fb81.f8c43.ba7d@mx.google.com> References: <1543356385.1886829.1547744755042.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1543356385.1886829.1547744755042@mail.yahoo.com> <5c41d1fe.1c69fb81.f8c43.ba7d@mx.google.com> Message-ID: All this Triumph talk. I had a yellow Triumph herald 12/50 I bought in 1967 which rusted away. Got rid of it in '69 for ?160 & bought a Triumph Vitesse 6 convertible which was much more fun to drive, especially with the modified suspension, before before it also rusted away. John On 18/01/2019 13:17, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > The 3 litre was a mistake! > > I constructed the spec on-line, and wanted a 2.5 litre engine (petrol > not diesel as the extra cost of a diesel would take 37 years to recoup > on the increased mpg, given low annual mileage). It was only when organising > > insurance that it was pointed out that the capacity of the 325 was > actually 3 litre and not 2.5 as I expected! > > However I love the car and it was a retirement present to myself, using > the tax-free cash lump sum when my pensions matured. Also made use of > the government scrappage scheme on the old car, ?2000, when the value of > the 18 year old one was probably only ?1200. The dealership I went back > to were so pleased for my custom that they knocked off a further ?2250, > thus making it affordable. It?ll see me out as I can?t see me changing it. > > Anyway, at 76, I am entitled to a bit of luxury which I have earned! > > A sobering thought, that when I had my first Triumph Herald, one got two > _gallons_ at 4/3d and change from a ten bob note! > > Pat > > Sent from Mail for > Windows 10 > > *From: *Nick Ware via Tech1 > *Sent: *17 January 2019 17:56 > *To: *tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > *Subject: *Re: [Tech1] Petrol quality > > Did you know that the price of fuel at petrol stations is calculated by > the till, and not the manager? If the number of litres sold drops off, > the price comes down to encourage more sales. When sales increase above > a target threshold, the price can be nudged up accordingly. The Shell > stn over the road from here is normally among the most expensive in the > area (lots of passing custom), but today even they are down to 119.9p. > Sainsbury?s Burpham this afternoon was 118.9p, but I think I spent the > saved penny by going there! > > Of course, if we?re watching the pennies, another saving would be a less > expensive BMW with a smaller capacity engine. A 3 litre engine to carry > one person is hard to justify. The environment would like that too. > > Best wishes as ever, > > Nick. > > Sent from my iPad > > > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------- > On Thu, 17/1/19, patheigham via Tech1 > wrote: > > Subject: Re: [Tech1] Petrol quality > To: "Dave Plowman" >, "Chris Woolf" > >, > "tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk " > > > Date: Thursday, 17 January, 2019, 16:41 > > Regarding > mpg and supermarket filling stations ? I use Sainsbury?s > Unleaded, which is flagged up as the cheapest in my area by > Petrol Prices (worth signing up for regular updates- they > monitor prices within 5km of your area).I usually get between 39 and > 41.5 mpg with a 3 litre engine on an expensive BMW Sport > Coupe for a long run on A roads/motorways >100 miles. > Best has been 45.5.I > never lift the bonnet ? leaving that to the service > technicians ? it?s all computerised now. Gone are the > days when my Dad helped me regrind valve seats on my Triumph > Herald!BestPat ?Sent from Mail > for Windows 10 > > > > ? ? ? ?Virus-free. www.avast.com > > > > > > > Virus-free. www.avast.com > > > > <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Vitesse 1.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 444566 bytes Desc: not available URL: From graeme.wall at icloud.com Fri Jan 18 11:05:37 2019 From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2019 17:05:37 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Petrol quality In-Reply-To: References: <1543356385.1886829.1547744755042.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1543356385.1886829.1547744755042@mail.yahoo.com> <5c41d1fe.1c69fb81.f8c43.ba7d@mx.google.com> Message-ID: My brother-in-law is still driving a Triumph Dolomite! Held together with string and duct tape I suspect. ? Graeme Wall > On 18 Jan 2019, at 16:58, John Nottage via Tech1 wrote: > > All this Triumph talk. I had a yellow Triumph herald 12/50 I bought in 1967 which rusted away. Got rid of it in '69 for ?160 & bought a Triumph Vitesse 6 convertible which was much more fun to drive, especially with the modified suspension, before before it also rusted away. > > John > > On 18/01/2019 13:17, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: >> The 3 litre was a mistake! >> I constructed the spec on-line, and wanted a 2.5 litre engine (petrol not diesel as the extra cost of a diesel would take 37 years to recoup on the increased mpg, given low annual mileage). It was only when organising >> insurance that it was pointed out that the capacity of the 325 was actually 3 litre and not 2.5 as I expected! >> However I love the car and it was a retirement present to myself, using the tax-free cash lump sum when my pensions matured. Also made use of the government scrappage scheme on the old car, ?2000, when the value of the 18 year old one was probably only ?1200. The dealership I went back to were so pleased for my custom that they knocked off a further ?2250, thus making it affordable. It?ll see me out as I can?t see me changing it. >> Anyway, at 76, I am entitled to a bit of luxury which I have earned! >> A sobering thought, that when I had my first Triumph Herald, one got two _gallons_ at 4/3d and change from a ten bob note! >> Pat >> Sent from Mail for Windows 10 >> *From: *Nick Ware via Tech1 >> *Sent: *17 January 2019 17:56 >> *To: *tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> *Subject: *Re: [Tech1] Petrol quality >> Did you know that the price of fuel at petrol stations is calculated by the till, and not the manager? If the number of litres sold drops off, the price comes down to encourage more sales. When sales increase above a target threshold, the price can be nudged up accordingly. The Shell stn over the road from here is normally among the most expensive in the area (lots of passing custom), but today even they are down to 119.9p. Sainsbury?s Burpham this afternoon was 118.9p, but I think I spent the saved penny by going there! >> Of course, if we?re watching the pennies, another saving would be a less expensive BMW with a smaller capacity engine. A 3 litre engine to carry one person is hard to justify. The environment would like that too. >> Best wishes as ever, >> Nick. >> Sent from my iPad >> -------------------------------------------- >> On Thu, 17/1/19, patheigham via Tech1 > > wrote: >> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Petrol quality >> To: "Dave Plowman" > >, "Chris Woolf" >> >, >> "tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk " >> > >> Date: Thursday, 17 January, 2019, 16:41 >> Regarding >> mpg and supermarket filling stations ? I use Sainsbury?s >> Unleaded, which is flagged up as the cheapest in my area by >> Petrol Prices (worth signing up for regular updates- they >> monitor prices within 5km of your area).I usually get between 39 and >> 41.5 mpg with a 3 litre engine on an expensive BMW Sport >> Coupe for a long run on A roads/motorways >100 miles. >> Best has been 45.5.I >> never lift the bonnet ? leaving that to the service >> technicians ? it?s all computerised now. Gone are the >> days when my Dad helped me regrind valve seats on my Triumph >> Herald!BestPat Sent from Mail >> for Windows 10 >> Virus-free. www.avast.com >> Virus-free. www.avast.com <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From jpn at imixmics.co.uk Fri Jan 18 11:13:16 2019 From: jpn at imixmics.co.uk (John Nottage) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2019 17:13:16 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Petrol quality In-Reply-To: References: <1543356385.1886829.1547744755042.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1543356385.1886829.1547744755042@mail.yahoo.com> <5c41d1fe.1c69fb81.f8c43.ba7d@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <15ea0ecd-6bc1-f75f-4877-93a25b1c26a2@imixmics.co.uk> I replaced my Vitesse with a Triumph 2000 Mk1, then I bought Keith Harlow's green Dolomite. It was the last Triumph I bought. I got so fed up with the rubbish build quality - I had to have a new engine in that one: cost a fortune. I moved to German cars after that: VW & BMW. John On 18/01/2019 17:05, Graeme Wall wrote: > My brother-in-law is still driving a Triumph Dolomite! Held together with string and duct tape I suspect. > ? > Graeme Wall > > >> On 18 Jan 2019, at 16:58, John Nottage via Tech1 wrote: >> >> All this Triumph talk. I had a yellow Triumph herald 12/50 I bought in 1967 which rusted away. Got rid of it in '69 for ?160 & bought a Triumph Vitesse 6 convertible which was much more fun to drive, especially with the modified suspension, before before it also rusted away. >> >> John >> >> On 18/01/2019 13:17, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: >>> The 3 litre was a mistake! >>> I constructed the spec on-line, and wanted a 2.5 litre engine (petrol not diesel as the extra cost of a diesel would take 37 years to recoup on the increased mpg, given low annual mileage). It was only when organising >>> insurance that it was pointed out that the capacity of the 325 was actually 3 litre and not 2.5 as I expected! >>> However I love the car and it was a retirement present to myself, using the tax-free cash lump sum when my pensions matured. Also made use of the government scrappage scheme on the old car, ?2000, when the value of the 18 year old one was probably only ?1200. The dealership I went back to were so pleased for my custom that they knocked off a further ?2250, thus making it affordable. It?ll see me out as I can?t see me changing it. >>> Anyway, at 76, I am entitled to a bit of luxury which I have earned! >>> A sobering thought, that when I had my first Triumph Herald, one got two _gallons_ at 4/3d and change from a ten bob note! >>> Pat >>> Sent from Mail for Windows 10 >>> *From: *Nick Ware via Tech1 >>> *Sent: *17 January 2019 17:56 >>> *To: *tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> *Subject: *Re: [Tech1] Petrol quality >>> Did you know that the price of fuel at petrol stations is calculated by the till, and not the manager? If the number of litres sold drops off, the price comes down to encourage more sales. When sales increase above a target threshold, the price can be nudged up accordingly. The Shell stn over the road from here is normally among the most expensive in the area (lots of passing custom), but today even they are down to 119.9p. Sainsbury?s Burpham this afternoon was 118.9p, but I think I spent the saved penny by going there! >>> Of course, if we?re watching the pennies, another saving would be a less expensive BMW with a smaller capacity engine. A 3 litre engine to carry one person is hard to justify. The environment would like that too. >>> Best wishes as ever, >>> Nick. >>> Sent from my iPad >>> -------------------------------------------- >>> On Thu, 17/1/19, patheigham via Tech1 >> > wrote: >>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Petrol quality >>> To: "Dave Plowman" >> >, "Chris Woolf" >>> >, >>> "tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk " >>> > >>> Date: Thursday, 17 January, 2019, 16:41 >>> Regarding >>> mpg and supermarket filling stations ? I use Sainsbury?s >>> Unleaded, which is flagged up as the cheapest in my area by >>> Petrol Prices (worth signing up for regular updates- they >>> monitor prices within 5km of your area).I usually get between 39 and >>> 41.5 mpg with a 3 litre engine on an expensive BMW Sport >>> Coupe for a long run on A roads/motorways >100 miles. >>> Best has been 45.5.I >>> never lift the bonnet ? leaving that to the service >>> technicians ? it?s all computerised now. Gone are the >>> days when my Dad helped me regrind valve seats on my Triumph >>> Herald!BestPat Sent from Mail >>> for Windows 10 >>> Virus-free. www.avast.com >>> Virus-free. www.avast.com <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net Fri Jan 18 13:02:22 2019 From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2019 19:02:22 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] Petrol quality In-Reply-To: <15ea0ecd-6bc1-f75f-4877-93a25b1c26a2@imixmics.co.uk> References: <1543356385.1886829.1547744755042.ref@mail.yahoo.com><1543356385.1886829.1547744755042@mail.yahoo.com><5c41d1fe.1c69fb81.f8c43.ba7d@mx.google.com> <15ea0ecd-6bc1-f75f-4877-93a25b1c26a2@imixmics.co.uk> Message-ID: <2A1E6BA538B147FDBCB168EA61879E04@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> Those Triumph engines were a liability. The in-line 4's were essentially half of the V8's (2000; 2.5PI; Stag etc.) and were well known for breaking crankshafts. I remember at Lime Grove doing 'Tonight' on an evening Cliff Michelmore was telling us all about the Stag he had bought which he was seriously in love with. Pretty much all surviving Stags have Ford engines. Are there any surviving Dolomites or even Dolomite Sprints? I had an early Saab 99 in 1974 which of course used what was essentially the in-line 4 from Standard Triumph. It was a good car but eventually blew a head gasket. Removing the cylinder head nuts was easy but the studs routinely seized where they passed through the head. Lock-nutting two nuts together on each protruding stud in turn enabled in theory the stud to be rotated free by applying spanner force to the lower nut. In practice a 5 foot scaffold put-lug over the spanner just about provided enough leverage to wind each stud right out. Got there eventually, had the head skimmed etc. then replaced not with studs but with special bolts introduced to get over the problem. Precautionary application of Copa-slip over the bolt shanks was advised and acted on. Lasted indefinitely thereafter. We were all resourceful in those days - necessity is the mother of invention! Dave Newbitt. -----Original Message----- From: John Nottage via Tech1 Sent: Friday, January 18, 2019 5:13 PM To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Petrol quality I replaced my Vitesse with a Triumph 2000 Mk1, then I bought Keith Harlow's green Dolomite. It was the last Triumph I bought. I got so fed up with the rubbish build quality - I had to have a new engine in that one: cost a fortune. I moved to German cars after that: VW & BMW. John On 18/01/2019 17:05, Graeme Wall wrote: > My brother-in-law is still driving a Triumph Dolomite! Held together with > string and duct tape I suspect. > ? > Graeme Wall > > >> On 18 Jan 2019, at 16:58, John Nottage via Tech1 >> wrote: >> >> All this Triumph talk. I had a yellow Triumph herald 12/50 I bought in >> 1967 which rusted away. Got rid of it in '69 for ?160 & bought a Triumph >> Vitesse 6 convertible which was much more fun to drive, especially with >> the modified suspension, before before it also rusted away. >> >> John >> >> On 18/01/2019 13:17, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: >>> The 3 litre was a mistake! >>> I constructed the spec on-line, and wanted a 2.5 litre engine (petrol >>> not diesel as the extra cost of a diesel would take 37 years to recoup >>> on the increased mpg, given low annual mileage). It was only when >>> organising >>> insurance that it was pointed out that the capacity of the 325 was >>> actually 3 litre and not 2.5 as I expected! >>> However I love the car and it was a retirement present to myself, using >>> the tax-free cash lump sum when my pensions matured. Also made use of >>> the government scrappage scheme on the old car, ?2000, when the value of >>> the 18 year old one was probably only ?1200. The dealership I went back >>> to were so pleased for my custom that they knocked off a further ?2250, >>> thus making it affordable. It?ll see me out as I can?t see me changing >>> it. >>> Anyway, at 76, I am entitled to a bit of luxury which I have earned! >>> A sobering thought, that when I had my first Triumph Herald, one got two >>> _gallons_ at 4/3d and change from a ten bob note! >>> Pat >>> Sent from Mail for >>> Windows 10 >>> *From: *Nick Ware via Tech1 >>> *Sent: *17 January 2019 17:56 >>> *To: *tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> *Subject: *Re: [Tech1] Petrol quality >>> Did you know that the price of fuel at petrol stations is calculated by >>> the till, and not the manager? If the number of litres sold drops off, >>> the price comes down to encourage more sales. When sales increase above >>> a target threshold, the price can be nudged up accordingly. The Shell >>> stn over the road from here is normally among the most expensive in the >>> area (lots of passing custom), but today even they are down to 119.9p. >>> Sainsbury?s Burpham this afternoon was 118.9p, but I think I spent the >>> saved penny by going there! >>> Of course, if we?re watching the pennies, another saving would be a less >>> expensive BMW with a smaller capacity engine. A 3 litre engine to carry >>> one person is hard to justify. The environment would like that too. >>> Best wishes as ever, >>> Nick. >>> Sent from my iPad >>> -------------------------------------------- >>> On Thu, 17/1/19, patheigham via Tech1 >> > wrote: >>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Petrol quality >>> To: "Dave Plowman" >> >, "Chris Woolf" >>> >, >>> "tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk " >>> > >>> Date: Thursday, 17 January, 2019, 16:41 >>> Regarding >>> mpg and supermarket filling stations ? I use Sainsbury?s >>> Unleaded, which is flagged up as the cheapest in my area by >>> Petrol Prices (worth signing up for regular updates- they >>> monitor prices within 5km of your area).I usually get between 39 and >>> 41.5 mpg with a 3 litre engine on an expensive BMW Sport >>> Coupe for a long run on A roads/motorways >100 miles. >>> Best has been 45.5.I >>> never lift the bonnet ? leaving that to the service >>> technicians ? it?s all computerised now. Gone are the >>> days when my Dad helped me regrind valve seats on my Triumph >>> Herald!BestPat Sent from Mail >>> for Windows 10 >>> Virus-free. www.avast.com >>> >>> Virus-free. www.avast.com >>> >>> <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net Fri Jan 18 13:09:26 2019 From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2019 19:09:26 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] Petrol quality In-Reply-To: <2A1E6BA538B147FDBCB168EA61879E04@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> References: <1543356385.1886829.1547744755042.ref@mail.yahoo.com><1543356385.1886829.1547744755042@mail.yahoo.com><5c41d1fe.1c69fb81.f8c43.ba7d@mx.google.com><15ea0ecd-6bc1-f75f-4877-93a25b1c26a2@imixmics.co.uk> <2A1E6BA538B147FDBCB168EA61879E04@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> Message-ID: Talking rubbish of course - the V8 was just the Stag, not the others mentioned. Sorry! Dave Newbitt. -----Original Message----- From: David Newbitt via Tech1 Sent: Friday, January 18, 2019 7:02 PM To: John Nottage ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Petrol quality Those Triumph engines were a liability. The in-line 4's were essentially half of the V8's (2000; 2.5PI; Stag etc.) and were well known for breaking crankshafts. I remember at Lime Grove doing 'Tonight' on an evening Cliff Michelmore was telling us all about the Stag he had bought which he was seriously in love with. Pretty much all surviving Stags have Ford engines. Are there any surviving Dolomites or even Dolomite Sprints? I had an early Saab 99 in 1974 which of course used what was essentially the in-line 4 from Standard Triumph. It was a good car but eventually blew a head gasket. Removing the cylinder head nuts was easy but the studs routinely seized where they passed through the head. Lock-nutting two nuts together on each protruding stud in turn enabled in theory the stud to be rotated free by applying spanner force to the lower nut. In practice a 5 foot scaffold put-lug over the spanner just about provided enough leverage to wind each stud right out. Got there eventually, had the head skimmed etc. then replaced not with studs but with special bolts introduced to get over the problem. Precautionary application of Copa-slip over the bolt shanks was advised and acted on. Lasted indefinitely thereafter. We were all resourceful in those days - necessity is the mother of invention! Dave Newbitt. -----Original Message----- From: John Nottage via Tech1 Sent: Friday, January 18, 2019 5:13 PM To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Petrol quality I replaced my Vitesse with a Triumph 2000 Mk1, then I bought Keith Harlow's green Dolomite. It was the last Triumph I bought. I got so fed up with the rubbish build quality - I had to have a new engine in that one: cost a fortune. I moved to German cars after that: VW & BMW. John On 18/01/2019 17:05, Graeme Wall wrote: > My brother-in-law is still driving a Triumph Dolomite! Held together with > string and duct tape I suspect. > ? > Graeme Wall > > >> On 18 Jan 2019, at 16:58, John Nottage via Tech1 >> wrote: >> >> All this Triumph talk. I had a yellow Triumph herald 12/50 I bought in >> 1967 which rusted away. Got rid of it in '69 for ?160 & bought a Triumph >> Vitesse 6 convertible which was much more fun to drive, especially with >> the modified suspension, before before it also rusted away. >> >> John >> >> On 18/01/2019 13:17, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: >>> The 3 litre was a mistake! >>> I constructed the spec on-line, and wanted a 2.5 litre engine (petrol >>> not diesel as the extra cost of a diesel would take 37 years to recoup >>> on the increased mpg, given low annual mileage). It was only when >>> organising >>> insurance that it was pointed out that the capacity of the 325 was >>> actually 3 litre and not 2.5 as I expected! >>> However I love the car and it was a retirement present to myself, using >>> the tax-free cash lump sum when my pensions matured. Also made use of >>> the government scrappage scheme on the old car, ?2000, when the value of >>> the 18 year old one was probably only ?1200. The dealership I went back >>> to were so pleased for my custom that they knocked off a further ?2250, >>> thus making it affordable. It?ll see me out as I can?t see me changing >>> it. >>> Anyway, at 76, I am entitled to a bit of luxury which I have earned! >>> A sobering thought, that when I had my first Triumph Herald, one got two >>> _gallons_ at 4/3d and change from a ten bob note! >>> Pat >>> Sent from Mail for >>> Windows 10 >>> *From: *Nick Ware via Tech1 >>> *Sent: *17 January 2019 17:56 >>> *To: *tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> *Subject: *Re: [Tech1] Petrol quality >>> Did you know that the price of fuel at petrol stations is calculated by >>> the till, and not the manager? If the number of litres sold drops off, >>> the price comes down to encourage more sales. When sales increase above >>> a target threshold, the price can be nudged up accordingly. The Shell >>> stn over the road from here is normally among the most expensive in the >>> area (lots of passing custom), but today even they are down to 119.9p. >>> Sainsbury?s Burpham this afternoon was 118.9p, but I think I spent the >>> saved penny by going there! >>> Of course, if we?re watching the pennies, another saving would be a less >>> expensive BMW with a smaller capacity engine. A 3 litre engine to carry >>> one person is hard to justify. The environment would like that too. >>> Best wishes as ever, >>> Nick. >>> Sent from my iPad >>> -------------------------------------------- >>> On Thu, 17/1/19, patheigham via Tech1 >> > wrote: >>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Petrol quality >>> To: "Dave Plowman" >> >, "Chris Woolf" >>> >, >>> "tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk " >>> > >>> Date: Thursday, 17 January, 2019, 16:41 >>> Regarding >>> mpg and supermarket filling stations ? I use Sainsbury?s >>> Unleaded, which is flagged up as the cheapest in my area by >>> Petrol Prices (worth signing up for regular updates- they >>> monitor prices within 5km of your area).I usually get between 39 and >>> 41.5 mpg with a 3 litre engine on an expensive BMW Sport >>> Coupe for a long run on A roads/motorways >100 miles. >>> Best has been 45.5.I >>> never lift the bonnet ? leaving that to the service >>> technicians ? it?s all computerised now. Gone are the >>> days when my Dad helped me regrind valve seats on my Triumph >>> Herald!BestPat Sent from Mail >>> for Windows 10 >>> Virus-free. www.avast.com >>> >>> Virus-free. www.avast.com >>> >>> <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Fri Jan 18 15:45:19 2019 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2019 21:45:19 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Triumphs In-Reply-To: References: <1543356385.1886829.1547744755042.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1543356385.1886829.1547744755042@mail.yahoo.com> <5c41d1fe.1c69fb81.f8c43.ba7d@mx.google.com> <15ea0ecd-6bc1-f75f-4877-93a25b1c26a2@imixmics.co.uk> <2A1E6BA538B147FDBCB168EA61879E04@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> Message-ID: <8c0f2003-18f0-0036-5f0a-72e6e311d370@btinternet.com> We got through several Dolomites, most ended up with my son who was offered a job in Richmond at Triumphtune. We also had the head gasket problem and using the V.L.Churchill special tool (as described by Dave N.!) we managed to extract a couple of studs. To complete the removal of the head we went to a specialist place in Guildford who drilled through the ally head to cut through the remaining studs. When re-building the engine they used 'tufftrided?' (coated) ones. Moving on from the Dolomites my son bought a TR7 from a motor sales magazine without telling me! He and a mate had a test drive in it and then went and bought it cash (?2000~). The first I knew was a phone call from the police to ask if could collect my son and his car from the M23! He was driving home along the M25 and when the engine started giving trouble he turned down the M23 in panic. When we got the car home we found that the engine was a disaster, missing bolts etc. and, having paid cash, he never got his money back! So it sat on our drive for a year being sorted! Triumphtune had aquired a lot of BMC stocks when they closed down and he managed to get a Sprint block and built the rest of it making a TR7?! I had moved onto Saabs and the first one had the Dolomite engine with all the same problems, including the water pump being inside the engine! (which we had to replace!). The next Saab had the 'H' engine which was basically the same as the Dolomite but sorted by Saabs themselves. I think that the original Stags had straight 6 engines which need a lot of TLC i.e. new oil every 1500 miles. Many people put a Rover V-8 in it, but as it was much lighter they had to add extra weight to the front end. My favourite was the Triumph 2000 whch I nearly bought, but on a test drive it steeerd left everytime I let go of the steering wheel and the vendor wouldn't reduce his asking price. Cheers, Dave From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Fri Jan 18 15:53:45 2019 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2019 21:53:45 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Triumphs In-Reply-To: <8c0f2003-18f0-0036-5f0a-72e6e311d370@btinternet.com> References: <1543356385.1886829.1547744755042.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1543356385.1886829.1547744755042@mail.yahoo.com> <5c41d1fe.1c69fb81.f8c43.ba7d@mx.google.com> <15ea0ecd-6bc1-f75f-4877-93a25b1c26a2@imixmics.co.uk> <2A1E6BA538B147FDBCB168EA61879E04@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> <8c0f2003-18f0-0036-5f0a-72e6e311d370@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <5cd87481-f7e3-d449-f1b9-9d3cb3fe53bd@btinternet.com> PS. or was it the TR7 that people put V8s in to make TR8s? Puzzled, Dave From dave at davesound.co.uk Fri Jan 18 18:24:09 2019 From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2019 00:24:09 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Tech1] Petrol quality In-Reply-To: <2A1E6BA538B147FDBCB168EA61879E04@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> References: <1543356385.1886829.1547744755042.ref@mail.yahoo.com><1543356385.1886829.1547744755042@mail.yahoo.com><5c41d1fe.1c69fb81.f8c43.ba7d@mx.google.com> <15ea0ecd-6bc1-f75f-4877-93a25b1c26a2@imixmics.co.uk> <2A1E6BA538B147FDBCB168EA61879E04@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> Message-ID: <57788c725adave@davesound.co.uk> In article <2A1E6BA538B147FDBCB168EA61879E04 at DESKTOP6GGCRV1>, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: > Pretty much all surviving Stags have Ford engines. Don't think so. Brother has one and is a member of the Stag Owners club. As regards different engines, probably more with the Rover V8 than the V6 Ford remain. -- *Plagiarism saves time * Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From dave at davesound.co.uk Fri Jan 18 18:28:08 2019 From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2019 00:28:08 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Tech1] Triumphs In-Reply-To: <5cd87481-f7e3-d449-f1b9-9d3cb3fe53bd@btinternet.com> References: <1543356385.1886829.1547744755042.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1543356385.1886829.1547744755042@mail.yahoo.com> <5c41d1fe.1c69fb81.f8c43.ba7d@mx.google.com> <15ea0ecd-6bc1-f75f-4877-93a25b1c26a2@imixmics.co.uk> <2A1E6BA538B147FDBCB168EA61879E04@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> <8c0f2003-18f0-0036-5f0a-72e6e311d370@btinternet.com> <5cd87481-f7e3-d449-f1b9-9d3cb3fe53bd@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <57788ccf5cdave@davesound.co.uk> sIn article <5cd87481-f7e3-d449-f1b9-9d3cb3fe53bd at btinternet.com>, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: > PS. or was it the TR7 that people put V8s in to make TR8s? Puzzled, Dave BL produced the TR8 with the Rover V-8 engine. Most were exported. And several TR7s have been 'converted' into TR8s. -- *Okay, who stopped the payment on my reality check? * Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net Sat Jan 19 00:48:56 2019 From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2019 06:48:56 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] Petrol quality In-Reply-To: <57788c725adave@davesound.co.uk> References: <1543356385.1886829.1547744755042.ref@mail.yahoo.com><1543356385.1886829.1547744755042@mail.yahoo.com><5c41d1fe.1c69fb81.f8c43.ba7d@mx.google.com><15ea0ecd-6bc1-f75f-4877-93a25b1c26a2@imixmics.co.uk><2A1E6BA538B147FDBCB168EA61879E04@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> <57788c725adave@davesound.co.uk> Message-ID: <2827CDFB08A248789DE59FEF7DDDBA17@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> I stand corrected! For some reason all the s/h ones I've seen offered happen to have had the V6 but thinking about it that may be because the Rover V8 is the better conversion and people keep them. Do you ever sleep! Regards, Dave Newbitt. -----Original Message----- From: Dave Plowman via Tech1 Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2019 12:24 AM To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Petrol quality In article <2A1E6BA538B147FDBCB168EA61879E04 at DESKTOP6GGCRV1>, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: > Pretty much all surviving Stags have Ford engines. Don't think so. Brother has one and is a member of the Stag Owners club. As regards different engines, probably more with the Rover V8 than the V6 Ford remain. -- *Plagiarism saves time * Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net Sat Jan 19 05:26:18 2019 From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2019 11:26:18 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] Dickie Chamberlain Message-ID: <8714AC2B90F24F15B23A53DEE4FE97B7@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> Interesting how frequently Dickie?s name comes up in the car threads. It reminds me of his arrival at work one morning having been pulled over in Roehampton by the police who commented on the spirited nature of his driving. He reported his own response as ?you don?t look like policemen?. Self-satisfied reply ? ?we catch a lot of people like that Sir!? Can?t remember whether the boys in blue pursued the matter. I?d have let him off for sure ? what a great guy. Dave Newbitt. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From barrybonner119 at btinternet.com Sat Jan 19 06:11:11 2019 From: barrybonner119 at btinternet.com (Barry Bonner) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2019 12:11:11 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Dickie Chamberlain In-Reply-To: <8714AC2B90F24F15B23A53DEE4FE97B7@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> References: <8714AC2B90F24F15B23A53DEE4FE97B7@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> Message-ID: Dickie was driving his Bond 3 wheeler with a Hillman Imp engine in it home one night when he was stopped by the police who had taken quite a long time to catch him. The policeman enquired; ?Just how fast will this plastic rocket go sir?? He also went over a hump-backed bridge one night in his Volkswagen Beetle a bit too fast, when he ?landed? he said it got very dark! He had snapped the main wiring loom! Barry. On 19 Jan 2019, at 11:26, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: > Interesting how frequently Dickie?s name comes up in the car threads. It reminds me of his arrival at work one morning having been pulled over in Roehampton by the police who commented on the spirited nature of his driving. He reported his own response as ?you don?t look like policemen?. > > Self-satisfied reply ? ?we catch a lot of people like that Sir!? > > Can?t remember whether the boys in blue pursued the matter. I?d have let him off for sure ? what a great guy. > > Dave Newbitt. > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From patheigham at amps.net Sat Jan 19 07:38:43 2019 From: patheigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2019 13:38:43 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Petrol quality In-Reply-To: References: <1543356385.1886829.1547744755042.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1543356385.1886829.1547744755042@mail.yahoo.com> <5c41d1fe.1c69fb81.f8c43.ba7d@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <5c432863.1c69fb81.32b7f.1e9d@mx.google.com> After two Triumph Heralds, I had a Vitesse, which I never liked as much as the Heralds. I had a job for Blue Peter, down in Cornwall ? Noakes surfing, I think. We travelled down in the mixer?s BMW 2002 ? very comfortable and impressive. When I was considering a new car, was tempted by a Fiat 125, as I liked the shape. My dad advised me to go for a BMW, as it was considerably better built (He was a mechanical engineer with REME). Did so and never looked back ? think I had maybe nine models over the years. Silly one, here... Crossing to the Isle of Wight, the car ferry was crammed full, but they squeezed me on as the last vehicle, getting everyone to budge up a bit. When the ramp was brought up, the rake exactly matched the angle of the rear fins on the Herald, with less than a foot clearance! Best Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: John Nottage via Tech1 Sent: 18 January 2019 16:58 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Petrol quality All this Triumph talk. I had a yellow Triumph herald 12/50 I bought in 1967 which rusted away. Got rid of it in '69 for ?160 & bought a Triumph Vitesse 6 convertible which was much more fun to drive, especially with the modified suspension, before before it also rusted away. John --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From teateatone2 at gmail.com Sat Jan 19 14:55:01 2019 From: teateatone2 at gmail.com (Tony Grant) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2019 20:55:01 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Petrol quality In-Reply-To: <5c432863.1c69fb81.32b7f.1e9d@mx.google.com> References: <1543356385.1886829.1547744755042.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1543356385.1886829.1547744755042@mail.yahoo.com> <5c41d1fe.1c69fb81.f8c43.ba7d@mx.google.com> <5c432863.1c69fb81.32b7f.1e9d@mx.google.com> Message-ID: OK, I too had a Triumph Herald, my second all-time favourite car, but it rusted away. After a year or so without a car (due to pitiful Beeb wage), I bought a Fiat 125 from my cousin. After five years, it too, rusted away, but at least got me up and down to Cardiff for attachments, and to many OBs. The all time favourite? My Ford Granada 2.8i Ghia X, it broke my heart when I had to part with it, although I doubt it'd be very ecological now. Interestingly, I haven't seen one on the road since I had to sell mine in the early 90's. TeaTeaFN - Tony On Sat, Jan 19, 2019 at 1:39 PM patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > After two Triumph Heralds, I had a Vitesse, which I never liked as much as > the Heralds. > > I had a job for Blue Peter, down in Cornwall ? Noakes surfing, I think. We > travelled down > in the mixer?s BMW 2002 ? very comfortable and impressive. When I was > considering a new car, > > was tempted by a Fiat 125, as I liked the shape. My dad advised me to go > for a BMW, as it was > considerably better built (He was a mechanical engineer with REME). > > Did so and never looked back ? think I had maybe nine models over the > years. > > Silly one, here... Crossing to the Isle of Wight, the car ferry was > crammed full, but they squeezed > > me on as the last vehicle, getting everyone to budge up a bit. When the > ramp was brought up, the rake > exactly matched the angle of the rear fins on the Herald, with less than a > foot clearance! > > Best > > Pat > > > > > > Sent from Mail for > Windows 10 > > > > *From: *John Nottage via Tech1 > *Sent: *18 January 2019 16:58 > *To: *tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > *Subject: *Re: [Tech1] Petrol quality > > > > All this Triumph talk. I had a yellow Triumph herald 12/50 I bought in > > 1967 which rusted away. Got rid of it in '69 for ?160 & bought a Triumph > > Vitesse 6 convertible which was much more fun to drive, especially with > > the modified suspension, before before it also rusted away. > > > > John > > > > > > > Virus-free. > www.avast.com > > <#m_8180507324362313359_DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alawrance1 at me.com Sat Jan 19 15:55:58 2019 From: alawrance1 at me.com (Alasdair Lawrance) Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2019 21:55:58 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Triumph Herald saloon & Vitesse Convertible Message-ID: <0BCB3DE5-D2A8-4253-BB84-E93E7D8BBE9D@me.com> These seem to have been popular with BBC people, as I had both, too. I lived in Greenford at the time, in a block of flats which also housed the Service manager for the Triumph London Depot on the Western Avenue. When the reverse gear on the Vitesse stuck, he helped fix it (without taking the gearbox out!), and made a service bulletin out of it, so he told me. He had many tales of stuff that happened in the Service Centre, including how an aged retainer put the then new Dolomite on the rolling road. No-one had told him it was the new-fangled front wheel drive...... Film cameraman Mike Spooner also lived in the flats, I believe he had a bad accident abroad (Egypt?), with David Attenborough. Haven't heard of him for years. Alasdair Lawrance Sent from my iPad2 From waresound at msn.com Sun Jan 20 09:31:24 2019 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2019 15:31:24 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Petrol quality In-Reply-To: References: <1543356385.1886829.1547744755042.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1543356385.1886829.1547744755042@mail.yahoo.com> <5c41d1fe.1c69fb81.f8c43.ba7d@mx.google.com> <5c432863.1c69fb81.32b7f.1e9d@mx.google.com>, Message-ID: Ah, yes, the Ford Granada 2.8i Ghia X! Mine was first owned by Bill Hayden, Vice President of Ford-Europe. We were on a Tony Bastable job at Ford in Dagenham, working out of a Volvo estate car. Bill Hayden asked why we were not using a Ford Granada, and Nigel, our cameraman said ?Because we can?t get them anymore!? The result: Bill sold his own red Ghia, plus one other, to Redapple, and I drove much of its mileage over the next two years. Then, at just over two years from brand new, at the end of its lease purchase period it was offered to me, and I kept it for around eight years. There was no doubt that every possible attention to detail and optional extra had gone into the Vice President?s personal-use car! Lucky escape moment: Coming home late one night after a Crimestoppers shoot in London, I was happily driving home on the M3 in the Granada, and probably not entirely sober, when about a mile short of the M25 exit, I became aware of a white Police Granada Ghia coming up alongside me (no blues and twos). Glancing at the speedo, I thought ?oh sh1t, I?m doing well 100 mph?. The cop in the front passenger seat gesticulated to me to wind the window down, which I did. He shouted: ?Go well, don?t they?! And, rather than flag me down, he grinned and waved as they sped off down the M3. Clearly, it was a car that commanded some serious respect and admiration! Nick. Sent from my iPad On 19 Jan 2019, at 20:55, Tony Grant via Tech1 > wrote: [snip] The all time favourite? My Ford Granada 2.8i Ghia X, it broke my heart when I had to part with it, although I doubt it'd be very ecological now. Interestingly, I haven't seen one on the road since I had to sell mine in the early 90's. TeaTeaFN - Tony -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From relong at btinternet.com Sun Jan 20 11:06:26 2019 From: relong at btinternet.com (Roger E Long) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2019 17:06:26 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Petrol quality In-Reply-To: References: <1543356385.1886829.1547744755042.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1543356385.1886829.1547744755042@mail.yahoo.com> <5c41d1fe.1c69fb81.f8c43.ba7d@mx.google.com> <5c432863.1c69fb81.32b7f.1e9d@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <5A5D529B-8654-42A5-88EB-ED6BA832AAA0@btinternet.com> I had a hire Granada Ghia 2.8X estate for Great Cemeteries, an ambitious 6 part BBC 2 doco ,all over Europe in the late 80s Lovely motor on the the bahns and autostradas. Just before we left for Hamburg on the Elbe ferry , we were told our director had had a nervous breakdown, but to continue to Hamburg A new director arrived 2 days later (we were staying at the Atlantic an ace 30s transatlantic Hotel) He had no research notes at all, just a BBC notebook with a few telephone numbers, he started from scratch and got the poet Tony Harrison in for commentary and presentation We went all over Europe from Scandinavia down, en route to Venice via Austria we stayed at another ace gaff , the Alpen Konig Hotel , in the Alps Overnight the rear screen of my Ghia was stoved in by a refuse truck , rendering it undriveable by EU regs, it was on my Carnet , I could not be separated from it It took 4 days to replace, I stayed on and the rest went on to Venice, much to the cameraman disgust , it was a truly wonderful hotel. Ah the joy of carnets, and that lovely Ghia X Roger > On 20 Jan 2019, at 15:31, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: > > Ah, yes, the Ford Granada 2.8i Ghia X! > Mine was first owned by Bill Hayden, Vice President of Ford-Europe. We were on a Tony Bastable job at Ford in Dagenham, working out of a Volvo estate car. Bill Hayden asked why we were not using a Ford Granada, and Nigel, our cameraman said ?Because we can?t get them anymore!? > The result: Bill sold his own red Ghia, plus one other, to Redapple, and I drove much of its mileage over the next two years. Then, at just over two years from brand new, at the end of its lease purchase period it was offered to me, and I kept it for around eight years. There was no doubt that every possible attention to detail and optional extra had gone into the Vice President?s personal-use car! > Lucky escape moment: > Coming home late one night after a Crimestoppers shoot in London, I was happily driving home on the M3 in the Granada, and probably not entirely sober, when about a mile short of the M25 exit, I became aware of a white Police Granada Ghia coming up alongside me (no blues and twos). Glancing at the speedo, I thought ?oh sh1t, I?m doing well 100 mph?. The cop in the front passenger seat gesticulated to me to wind the window down, which I did. He shouted: ?Go well, don?t they?! And, rather than flag me down, he grinned and waved as they sped off down the M3. > Clearly, it was a car that commanded some serious respect and admiration! > Nick. > Sent from my iPad > > On 19 Jan 2019, at 20:55, Tony Grant via Tech1 > wrote: > >> [snip] >> >> The all time favourite? My Ford Granada 2.8i Ghia X, it broke my heart when I had to part with it, although I doubt it'd be very ecological now. Interestingly, I haven't seen one on the road since I had to sell mine in the early 90's. >> >> TeaTeaFN - Tony > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Sun Jan 20 14:43:48 2019 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2019 20:43:48 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Ford Granadas Message-ID: <1bf2bc68-b5a0-4c70-8856-eb536ea1785d@btinternet.com> The Kendall Avenue Sports Unit had a basic 2 litre white Granada. We also had a high-vis yellow vest which we left on the rear parcel shelf. We really enjoyed our motorway trips watching in the rear view mirror as the boy racers bombed up the outside lane to suddenly slow down and crawl past, then we gave them a cheery wave! Cheers, Dave From pat.heigham at btinternet.com Sun Jan 20 15:11:24 2019 From: pat.heigham at btinternet.com (patheigham) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2019 21:11:24 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Granada's In-Reply-To: <5A5D529B-8654-42A5-88EB-ED6BA832AAA0@btinternet.com> References: <1543356385.1886829.1547744755042.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1543356385.1886829.1547744755042@mail.yahoo.com> <5c41d1fe.1c69fb81.f8c43.ba7d@mx.google.com> <5c432863.1c69fb81.32b7f.1e9d@mx.google.com> <5A5D529B-8654-42A5-88EB-ED6BA832AAA0@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <5BB6CF65095E784C@rgout03.bt.lon5.cpcloud.co.uk> (added by postmaster@btinternet.com) I don?t remember the Red one, Nick, but drove the blue?/black? one to Plymouth for a job. Refuelling at Taunton on the M5, I got out into a heatwave, and realized that the vehicle had air-conditioning ? thus any future personally owned motor had to be similar! Had a moment when discovering at base that the battery was flat, connected up the charger and brought the bonnet down as far a possible. Then operated the electric garage door, which came down and made a nice crease in the bonnet. I fessed up and paid for the bodyshop repair! You were lucky to get away with the cops on the M3! Nice guys, obviously. Collecting a change of kit from Redapple, in an otherwise unloaded Volvo, I came away from the Effingham lights a bit quick, at 10:15pm, to be chased and caught by a motorcycle cop with a radar gun, hiding in a bus shelter. He dealt with it as a fixed penalty - ?35 fine and three points. After the formalities, he mentioned that he was on station because the locals had complained of people going too fast through the village. He said that the first person they caught ? was the guy who wrote the letter! Best Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 On 20 Jan 2019, at 15:31, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: Nigel, our cameraman said ?Because we can?t get them anymore!? The result: Bill sold his own red Ghia, plus one other, to Redapple, and I drove much of its mileage over the next two years. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bernie833 at gmail.com Sun Jan 20 15:42:44 2019 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2019 21:42:44 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Lighting Message-ID: When I joined tech ops as a 19 year old from school, dragging cables around TC1, I was somewhat unimpressed with the quality of studio lighting.? I knew nothing yet of the technicalities, but I did know that it didn't look right.? It was epitomised for me by a scene in a play called Christ Recrucified . A man staggered into a Cypriot village (in TC1). The sun burned down - three times over. He had three shadows. If I had been director Hugh David, I would have given Gerry Millerson a serious talking to, book or no book, but I was just an oik. It's all much changed now, but I didn't, and still don't, know why they couldn't work out in those days where light came from . To a lesser extent - much lesser - places outside the BBC have evolved their lighting down the years. Was it Deep Space Nine that time travelled back to the world of the original Enterprise to be part of the Star Trek crew in Trouble with Tribbles? They had to recreate the look and the sets. The latest Star trek - Discovery - is set in the era of the original series, but they don't worry about matching the lighting, and the results are incredible. I could light the picture on the right, but have no idea how to make the one on the left. The whole episode, just out on Netflix, is equally impressive. And Spock does a voice over at the end. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: ieageelcehapanii.png Type: image/png Size: 417539 bytes Desc: not available URL: From patheigham at amps.net Sun Jan 20 16:47:02 2019 From: patheigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2019 22:47:02 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Lighting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5c44fa66.1c69fb81.da3dd.b3c7@mx.google.com> One of the problems of a candlelit scene is how do you avoid the shadow of the candle, which is supposed to be the sole light source! I didn?t have much truck with the painters of yesteryear, until I visited the Rijksmuseum in Amsterdam and discovered a Rembrandt of the ?Family? The way he had painted the lighting from a single lantern was exquisite. I wanted to get a print, and went to the sales desk, but the poster didn?t have the same impact. I retraced my steps to view again the original, and then understood why collectors just had to have an original. ?Lighting by Rembrandt? would be quite a closing credit! I could go on for a time, having worked with many super Lighting Cameramen. The BBC training enabled me to talk to the DoP as a boom operator and say: could you drop the key just a foot, as I knew it would throw the mic shadow off the frame. There was one occasion when the answer was ?no? so Plan B had to be activated. There was another time when there was a seminar with a bank of students asking questions. The cameraman plonked a 2K right behind the camera then complained that there was a boom shadow, as the guys asking questions was right at the back. Solution: sort out who asks questions and put them in the front row! And light it accordingly. That was not a pleasant shoot. Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Bernard Newnham via Tech1 Sent: 20 January 2019 21:43 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: [Tech1] Lighting When I joined tech ops as a 19 year old from school, dragging cables around TC1, I was somewhat unimpressed with the quality of studio lighting.? I knew nothing yet of the technicalities, I didn't, and still don't, know why they couldn't work out in those days where light came from. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From neil at dormand.eclipse.co.uk Sun Jan 20 16:49:05 2019 From: neil at dormand.eclipse.co.uk (Neil Dormand) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2019 22:49:05 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] Lighting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Early seventies, I can?t remember the play but it was a garden set which filled TC1 and Bob Wright lit it with 1 Key light. Filler provided by reflected light off a cyc cloth behind the cameras. He told me that it had been his long time ambition to light the whole of TC1 with 1 luminaire. From: Tech1 [mailto:tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk] On Behalf Of Bernard Newnham via Tech1 Sent: 20 January 2019 21:43 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: [Tech1] Lighting When I joined tech ops as a 19 year old from school, dragging cables around TC1, I was somewhat unimpressed with the quality of studio lighting. I knew nothing yet of the technicalities, but I did know that it didn't look right. It was epitomised for me by a scene in a play called Christ Recrucified . A man staggered into a Cypriot village (in TC1). The sun burned down - three times over. He had three shadows. If I had been director Hugh David, I would have given Gerry Millerson a serious talking to, book or no book, but I was just an oik. It's all much changed now, but I didn't, and still don't, know why they couldn't work out in those days where light came from . To a lesser extent - much lesser - places outside the BBC have evolved their lighting down the years. Was it Deep Space Nine that time travelled back to the world of the original Enterprise to be part of the Star Trek crew in Trouble with Tribbles? They had to recreate the look and the sets. The latest Star trek - Discovery - is set in the era of the original series, but they don't worry about matching the lighting, and the results are incredible. I could light the picture on the right, but have no idea how to make the one on the left. The whole episode, just out on Netflix, is equally impressive. And Spock does a voice over at the end. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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He > told me that it had been his long time ambition to light the ?whole of > TC1 with 1 luminaire. > > *From:*Tech1 [mailto:tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk] *On Behalf Of > *Bernard Newnham via Tech1 > *Sent:* 20 January 2019 21:43 > *To:* tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > *Subject:* [Tech1] Lighting > > When I joined tech ops as a 19 year old from school, dragging cables > around TC1, I was somewhat unimpressed with the quality of studio > lighting.? I knew nothing yet of the technicalities, but I did know > that it didn't look right. It was epitomised for me by a scene in a > play called Christ Recrucified . A man staggered into a Cypriot > village (in TC1). The sun burned down - three times over. He had three > shadows. If I had been director Hugh David, I would have given Gerry > Millerson a serious talking to, book or no book, but I was just an > oik. It's all much changed now, but I didn't, and still don't, know > why they couldn't work out in those days where light came from . > > To a lesser extent - much lesser - places outside the BBC have evolved > their lighting down the years. Was it Deep Space Nine that time > travelled back to the world of the original Enterprise to be part of > the Star Trek crew in Trouble with Tribbles? They had to recreate the > look and the sets. > > The latest Star trek - Discovery - is set in the era of the original > series, but they don't worry about matching the lighting, and the > results are incredible. I could light the picture on the right, but > have no idea how to make the one on the left. The whole episode, just > out on Netflix, is equally impressive. And Spock does a voice over at > the end. > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Cheers, Dave From bernie833 at gmail.com Sun Jan 20 17:14:50 2019 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2019 23:14:50 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Lighting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <71c68409-c307-42eb-345f-c3b4a2fb148f@gmail.com> It was Bob Wright who lit Falstaff with Sir Geraint Evans.? One wall of TC1 a full height cyc with a quarter of a megawatt pointed at it. He made the sun rise and it felt close to real. B On 20/01/2019 22:49, Neil Dormand via Tech1 wrote: > > Early seventies, I can?t remember the play but it was a garden set > which filled TC1 and Bob Wright lit it with 1 Key light. Filler > provided by reflected light off a cyc cloth behind the cameras. He > told me that it had been his long time ambition to light the ?whole of > TC1 with 1 luminaire. > > *From:*Tech1 [mailto:tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk] *On Behalf Of > *Bernard Newnham via Tech1 > *Sent:* 20 January 2019 21:43 > *To:* tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > *Subject:* [Tech1] Lighting > > When I joined tech ops as a 19 year old from school, dragging cables > around TC1, I was somewhat unimpressed with the quality of studio > lighting.? I knew nothing yet of the technicalities, but I did know > that it didn't look right. It was epitomised for me by a scene in a > play called Christ Recrucified . A man staggered into a Cypriot > village (in TC1). The sun burned down - three times over. He had three > shadows. If I had been director Hugh David, I would have given Gerry > Millerson a serious talking to, book or no book, but I was just an > oik. It's all much changed now, but I didn't, and still don't, know > why they couldn't work out in those days where light came from . > > To a lesser extent - much lesser - places outside the BBC have evolved > their lighting down the years. Was it Deep Space Nine that time > travelled back to the world of the original Enterprise to be part of > the Star Trek crew in Trouble with Tribbles? They had to recreate the > look and the sets. > > The latest Star trek - Discovery - is set in the era of the original > series, but they don't worry about matching the lighting, and the > results are incredible. I could light the picture on the right, but > have no idea how to make the one on the left. The whole episode, just > out on Netflix, is equally impressive. And Spock does a voice over at > the end. > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Cheers, Dave From tonyscott1000 at gmail.com Sun Jan 20 17:27:06 2019 From: tonyscott1000 at gmail.com (Tony Scott) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2019 23:27:06 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Lighting In-Reply-To: <17e7543a-b790-6335-aba5-42581ca31065@btinternet.com> References: <5c44fa66.1c69fb81.da3dd.b3c7@mx.google.com> <17e7543a-b790-6335-aba5-42581ca31065@btinternet.com> Message-ID: Bernard The problem all those years ago cameras were extremely insentative - therefore the LD (or TM1) would have needed to put an enormous amount of light in the scene (Writing as ex-BBC lighting) On Sun, 20 Jan 2019, 23:15 dave.mdv via Tech1 I was a boom op. on the first BBC co-production after the 'revolution' > at Shepperton Studios, it was called 'Night on the Town' and starred > many famous singers and dancers. The LD was supposedly one who had lit > Bond films but not live TV! On one scene I had a really nasty shadow and > politley requested if he could switch the lamp off and use one of his > many others! Came the take, the director wasn't happy and the LD wailed > that I had asked him to turn off his main key-light!!! As it was one of > many .....brr! There are LDs and there are LDs, we know who they are! > Cheers, Dave > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From clivegulliver2 at talktalk.net Sun Jan 20 17:48:40 2019 From: clivegulliver2 at talktalk.net (Clive Gulliver) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2019 23:48:40 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] Lighting In-Reply-To: <71c68409-c307-42eb-345f-c3b4a2fb148f@gmail.com> References: <71c68409-c307-42eb-345f-c3b4a2fb148f@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1DEFFA24A91B4F7CA57DFD6A4B593A17@CliveHP> I can?t work out who sent the item on Christ Recrucified but I was the VS on that and spent the whole time cringeing at what Gerry was insisting on! Clive G From: Bernard Newnham via Tech1 Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2019 11:14 PM To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Lighting It was Bob Wright who lit Falstaff with Sir Geraint Evans. One wall of TC1 a full height cyc with a quarter of a megawatt pointed at it. He made the sun rise and it felt close to real. B On 20/01/2019 22:49, Neil Dormand via Tech1 wrote: Early seventies, I can?t remember the play but it was a garden set which filled TC1 and Bob Wright lit it with 1 Key light. Filler provided by reflected light off a cyc cloth behind the cameras. He told me that it had been his long time ambition to light the whole of TC1 with 1 luminaire. From: Tech1 [mailto:tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk] On Behalf Of Bernard Newnham via Tech1 Sent: 20 January 2019 21:43 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: [Tech1] Lighting When I joined tech ops as a 19 year old from school, dragging cables around TC1, I was somewhat unimpressed with the quality of studio lighting. I knew nothing yet of the technicalities, but I did know that it didn't look right. It was epitomised for me by a scene in a play called Christ Recrucified . A man staggered into a Cypriot village (in TC1). The sun burned down - three times over. He had three shadows. If I had been director Hugh David, I would have given Gerry Millerson a serious talking to, book or no book, but I was just an oik. It's all much changed now, but I didn't, and still don't, know why they couldn't work out in those days where light came from . To a lesser extent - much lesser - places outside the BBC have evolved their lighting down the years. Was it Deep Space Nine that time travelled back to the world of the original Enterprise to be part of the Star Trek crew in Trouble with Tribbles? They had to recreate the look and the sets. The latest Star trek - Discovery - is set in the era of the original series, but they don't worry about matching the lighting, and the results are incredible. I could light the picture on the right, but have no idea how to make the one on the left. The whole episode, just out on Netflix, is equally impressive. And Spock does a voice over at the end. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.png Type: image/png Size: 417539 bytes Desc: not available URL: From bernie833 at gmail.com Mon Jan 21 05:28:44 2019 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2019 11:28:44 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Lighting In-Reply-To: <1DEFFA24A91B4F7CA57DFD6A4B593A17@CliveHP> References: <71c68409-c307-42eb-345f-c3b4a2fb148f@gmail.com> <1DEFFA24A91B4F7CA57DFD6A4B593A17@CliveHP> Message-ID: I sent it and I'm glad the young me wasn't the only one.?? I wanted to be a BBC cameraman from about the age of 15, and one of the books I read several times was "The Technique of Television Production" by Gerald Millerson.? "'Never meet your heroes, because they're sure to disappoint you" - a very apposite saying. After many years, an American chap called Jim Owen won some kind of audition to take over writing new editions. Jim also runs the student contribution part of the Olympics, and before the London Olympics he took us lecturers out to dinner in London (Loch Fyne in Covent Garden, a place some of us go from time to time).? I asked Jim what he thought of Gerry - "Never met him", he said. Jim's version is in a whole different class, but costs a lot of money. B On 20/01/2019 23:48, Clive Gulliver wrote: > I can?t work out who sent the item on Christ Recrucified but I was the > VS on that and spent the whole time cringeing at what Gerry was > insisting on! > Clive G > *From:* Bernard Newnham via Tech1 > *Sent:* Sunday, January 20, 2019 11:14 PM > *To:* tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > *Subject:* Re: [Tech1] Lighting > It was Bob Wright who lit Falstaff with Sir Geraint Evans.? One wall > of TC1 a full height cyc with a quarter of a megawatt pointed at it. > He made the sun rise and it felt close to real. > > B > > > On 20/01/2019 22:49, Neil Dormand via Tech1 wrote: >> >> Early seventies, I can?t remember the play but it was a garden set >> which filled TC1 and Bob Wright lit it with 1 Key light. Filler >> provided by reflected light off a cyc cloth behind the cameras. He >> told me that it had been his long time ambition to light the? whole >> of TC1 with 1 luminaire. >> >> *From:*Tech1 [mailto:tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk] *On Behalf Of >> *Bernard Newnham via Tech1 >> *Sent:* 20 January 2019 21:43 >> *To:* tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> *Subject:* [Tech1] Lighting >> >> When I joined tech ops as a 19 year old from school, dragging cables >> around TC1, I was somewhat unimpressed with the quality of studio >> lighting.? I knew nothing yet of the technicalities, but I did know >> that it didn't look right.? It was epitomised for me by a scene in a >> play called Christ Recrucified . A man staggered into a Cypriot >> village (in TC1). The sun burned down - three times over. He had >> three shadows. If I had been director Hugh David, I would have given >> Gerry Millerson a serious talking to, book or no book, but I was just >> an oik. It's all much changed now, but I didn't, and still don't, >> know why they couldn't work out in those days where light came from . >> >> To a lesser extent - much lesser - places outside the BBC have >> evolved their lighting down the years. Was it Deep Space Nine that >> time travelled back to the world of the original Enterprise to be >> part of the Star Trek crew in Trouble with Tribbles? They had to >> recreate the look and the sets. >> >> The latest Star trek - Discovery - is set in the era of the original >> series, but they don't worry about matching the lighting, and the >> results are incredible. I could light the picture on the right, but >> have no idea how to make the one on the left. The whole episode, just >> out on Netflix, is equally impressive. And Spock does a voice over at >> the end. >> >> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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"'Never meet your heroes, because they're sure to disappoint you" - a very apposite saying. > > After many years, an American chap called Jim Owen won some kind of audition to take over writing new editions. Jim also runs the student contribution part of the Olympics, and before the London Olympics he took us lecturers out to dinner in London (Loch Fyne in Covent Garden, a place some of us go from time to time). I asked Jim what he thought of Gerry - "Never met him", he said. Jim's version is in a whole different class, but costs a lot of money. > > B > > > > On 20/01/2019 23:48, Clive Gulliver wrote: >> I can?t work out who sent the item on Christ Recrucified but I was the VS on that and spent the whole time cringeing at what Gerry was insisting on! >> Clive G >> >> From: Bernard Newnham via Tech1 >> Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2019 11:14 PM >> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Lighting >> >> It was Bob Wright who lit Falstaff with Sir Geraint Evans. One wall of TC1 a full height cyc with a quarter of a megawatt pointed at it. He made the sun rise and it felt close to real. >> >> B >> >> >> On 20/01/2019 22:49, Neil Dormand via Tech1 wrote: >>> Early seventies, I can?t remember the play but it was a garden set which filled TC1 and Bob Wright lit it with 1 Key light. Filler provided by reflected light off a cyc cloth behind the cameras. He told me that it had been his long time ambition to light the whole of TC1 with 1 luminaire. >>> >>> >>> From: Tech1 [mailto:tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk] On Behalf Of Bernard Newnham via Tech1 >>> Sent: 20 January 2019 21:43 >>> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> Subject: [Tech1] Lighting >>> >>> When I joined tech ops as a 19 year old from school, dragging cables around TC1, I was somewhat unimpressed with the quality of studio lighting. I knew nothing yet of the technicalities, but I did know that it didn't look right. It was epitomised for me by a scene in a play called Christ Recrucified . A man staggered into a Cypriot village (in TC1). The sun burned down - three times over. He had three shadows. If I had been director Hugh David, I would have given Gerry Millerson a serious talking to, book or no book, but I was just an oik. It's all much changed now, but I didn't, and still don't, know why they couldn't work out in those days where light came from . >>> >>> To a lesser extent - much lesser - places outside the BBC have evolved their lighting down the years. Was it Deep Space Nine that time travelled back to the world of the original Enterprise to be part of the Star Trek crew in Trouble with Tribbles? They had to recreate the look and the sets. >>> >>> The latest Star trek - Discovery - is set in the era of the original series, but they don't worry about matching the lighting, and the results are incredible. I could light the picture on the right, but have no idea how to make the one on the left. The whole episode, just out on Netflix, is equally impressive. And Spock does a voice over at the end. >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From geoffletch at gmail.com Mon Jan 21 07:23:53 2019 From: geoffletch at gmail.com (Geoff Fletcher) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2019 13:23:53 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Lighting In-Reply-To: References: <71c68409-c307-42eb-345f-c3b4a2fb148f@gmail.com> <1DEFFA24A91B4F7CA57DFD6A4B593A17@CliveHP> Message-ID: We had a lighting director at Anglia who always used a dozen lights when one would do, so to speak. His long suffering gaffers and crew were used to all the humping involved and didn?t complain overmuch. However on location one day at London City Hall he was lighting Cyril Cusack sitting at a desk in an office overlooking the Thames on one of our drama serials. I was Unit Manager and was up against it timewise as the there was a BBC crew waiting to light the same office for one of their productions. Their gaffer arrived, a grizzled old veteran of many years experience, and asked me how long we would be. At that point, our sequence was completed so I was pleased to tell him we were done and as soon as we had cleared out our kit and lights it was all his. The lighting derig began and went on at some length as lamp after lamp was carted out, much to the BBC gaffer?s astonishment. He finally turned to me as the last stand was removed and uttered the immortal words ? Gor blimey Guv, what was ?e lightin? in there - bloody Ben Hur? On Mon, 21 Jan 2019 at 11:46, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote: > Gerry Millerson was the one who went through the ?ration book? section on > lighting with me one quiet day in Studio D, could explain my lighting! > ? > Graeme Wall > > > > On 21 Jan 2019, at 11:28, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 < > tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote: > > > > I sent it and I'm glad the young me wasn't the only one. I wanted to > be a BBC cameraman from about the age of 15, and one of the books I read > several times was "The Technique of Television Production" by Gerald > Millerson. "'Never meet your heroes, because they're sure to disappoint > you" - a very apposite saying. > > > > After many years, an American chap called Jim Owen won some kind of > audition to take over writing new editions. Jim also runs the student > contribution part of the Olympics, and before the London Olympics he took > us lecturers out to dinner in London (Loch Fyne in Covent Garden, a place > some of us go from time to time). I asked Jim what he thought of Gerry - > "Never met him", he said. Jim's version is in a whole different class, but > costs a lot of money. > > > > B > > > > > > > > On 20/01/2019 23:48, Clive Gulliver wrote: > >> I can?t work out who sent the item on Christ Recrucified but I was the > VS on that and spent the whole time cringeing at what Gerry was insisting > on! > >> Clive G > >> > >> From: Bernard Newnham via Tech1 > >> Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2019 11:14 PM > >> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > >> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Lighting > >> > >> It was Bob Wright who lit Falstaff with Sir Geraint Evans. One wall of > TC1 a full height cyc with a quarter of a megawatt pointed at it. He made > the sun rise and it felt close to real. > >> > >> B > >> > >> > >> On 20/01/2019 22:49, Neil Dormand via Tech1 wrote: > >>> Early seventies, I can?t remember the play but it was a garden set > which filled TC1 and Bob Wright lit it with 1 Key light. Filler provided by > reflected light off a cyc cloth behind the cameras. He told me that it had > been his long time ambition to light the whole of TC1 with 1 luminaire. > >>> > >>> > >>> From: Tech1 [mailto:tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk] On Behalf Of > Bernard Newnham via Tech1 > >>> Sent: 20 January 2019 21:43 > >>> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > >>> Subject: [Tech1] Lighting > >>> > >>> When I joined tech ops as a 19 year old from school, dragging cables > around TC1, I was somewhat unimpressed with the quality of studio > lighting. I knew nothing yet of the technicalities, but I did know that it > didn't look right. It was epitomised for me by a scene in a play called > Christ Recrucified . A man staggered into a Cypriot village (in TC1). The > sun burned down - three times over. He had three shadows. If I had been > director Hugh David, I would have given Gerry Millerson a serious talking > to, book or no book, but I was just an oik. It's all much changed now, but > I didn't, and still don't, know why they couldn't work out in those days > where light came from . > >>> > >>> To a lesser extent - much lesser - places outside the BBC have evolved > their lighting down the years. Was it Deep Space Nine that time travelled > back to the world of the original Enterprise to be part of the Star Trek > crew in Trouble with Tribbles? They had to recreate the look and the sets. > >>> > >>> The latest Star trek - Discovery - is set in the era of the original > series, but they don't worry about matching the lighting, and the results > are incredible. I could light the picture on the right, but have no idea > how to make the one on the left. The whole episode, just out on Netflix, is > equally impressive. 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URL: From Waresound at msn.com Mon Jan 21 08:32:01 2019 From: Waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2019 14:32:01 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Granada's In-Reply-To: <5BB6CF65095E784C@rgout03.bt.lon5.cpcloud.co.uk> (added by postmaster@btinternet.com) References: <1543356385.1886829.1547744755042.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1543356385.1886829.1547744755042@mail.yahoo.com> <5c41d1fe.1c69fb81.f8c43.ba7d@mx.google.com> <5c432863.1c69fb81.32b7f.1e9d@mx.google.com> <5A5D529B-8654-42A5-88EB-ED6BA832AAA0@btinternet.com>, <5BB6CF65095E784C@rgout03.bt.lon5.cpcloud.co.uk> (added by postmaster@btinternet.com) Message-ID: As I remember it they were both red, but I may be wrong. I?ll ask him next time I see him. The other one was a tad older and a bit lower spec. I think Henry M had that one. Cheers, Nick. Sent from my iPad On 20 Jan 2019, at 21:11, patheigham > wrote: I don?t remember the Red one, Nick, but drove the blue?/black? one to Plymouth for a job. Refuelling at Taunton on the M5, I got out into a heatwave, and realized that the vehicle had air-conditioning ? thus any future personally owned motor had to be similar! Had a moment when discovering at base that the battery was flat, connected up the charger and brought the bonnet down as far a possible. Then operated the electric garage door, which came down and made a nice crease in the bonnet. I fessed up and paid for the bodyshop repair! You were lucky to get away with the cops on the M3! Nice guys, obviously. Collecting a change of kit from Redapple, in an otherwise unloaded Volvo, I came away from the Effingham lights a bit quick, at 10:15pm, to be chased and caught by a motorcycle cop with a radar gun, hiding in a bus shelter. He dealt with it as a fixed penalty - ?35 fine and three points. After the formalities, he mentioned that he was on station because the locals had complained of people going too fast through the village. He said that the first person they caught ? was the guy who wrote the letter! Best Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 On 20 Jan 2019, at 15:31, Nick Ware via Tech1 > wrote: Nigel, our cameraman said ?Because we can?t get them anymore!? The result: Bill sold his own red Ghia, plus one other, to Redapple, and I drove much of its mileage over the next two years. [https://ipmcdn.avast.com/images/icons/icon-envelope-tick-round-orange-animated-no-repeat-v1.gif] Virus-free. www.avast.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From waresound at msn.com Mon Jan 21 09:34:13 2019 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2019 15:34:13 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Lighting In-Reply-To: References: <71c68409-c307-42eb-345f-c3b4a2fb148f@gmail.com> <1DEFFA24A91B4F7CA57DFD6A4B593A17@CliveHP> Message-ID: Here?s one you might find hard to believe, but I assure you it?s true. A shoot that I think was a pilot for a proposed Channel Four series, or some-such. Lenny Henry in MCU talking to camera - that?s all it was. There was supposed to have been a Jackanory-style set, but when we asked when it would be arriving, we were told it wasn?t, they couldn?t afford a set. I recall the cameraman asking the immortal question: ?Are you sure we can afford a camera?? So, there we were in an empty four-waller with a lighting director commonly known as The Prince of Darkness. I?m safe in naming him as such, because in my time I?ve come across several to whom that title is often disrespectfully attributed. So (again), Lenny was placed on a chair in a three sided box consisting of three 8ft x 4ft sheets of black poly, plus one forming a roof, and another for the lens to poke through. The PoD, er, DoP had the sparks rig a 2.5k HMI on each side and top, quite close to, and firing directly THROUGH the black poly! We were all gobsmacked, but I have to say that even if it wasn?t the most obvious or energy efficient way of lighting a talking head, the effect looked amazing. Cheers, Nick. Sent from my iPad On 21 Jan 2019, at 13:24, Geoff Fletcher via Tech1 > wrote: We had a lighting director at Anglia who always used a dozen lights when one would do, so to speak. His long suffering gaffers and crew were used to all the humping involved and didn?t complain overmuch. However on location one day at London City Hall he was lighting Cyril Cusack sitting at a desk in an office overlooking the Thames on one of our drama serials. I was Unit Manager and was up against it timewise as the there was a BBC crew waiting to light the same office for one of their productions. Their gaffer arrived, a grizzled old veteran of many years experience, and asked me how long we would be. At that point, our sequence was completed so I was pleased to tell him we were done and as soon as we had cleared out our kit and lights it was all his. The lighting derig began and went on at some length as lamp after lamp was carted out, much to the BBC gaffer?s astonishment. He finally turned to me as the last stand was removed and uttered the immortal words ? Gor blimey Guv, what was ?e lightin? in there - bloody Ben Hur? On Mon, 21 Jan 2019 at 11:46, Graeme Wall via Tech1 > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk Mon Jan 21 09:52:55 2019 From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2019 15:52:55 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Lighting In-Reply-To: References: <71c68409-c307-42eb-345f-c3b4a2fb148f@gmail.com> <1DEFFA24A91B4F7CA57DFD6A4B593A17@CliveHP> Message-ID: <18fcef6a-2632-15be-12e0-9f9f1a3bd254@chriswoolf.co.uk> On 21/01/2019 15:34, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: > So (again), Lenny was placed on a chair in a three sided box > consisting of three 8ft x 4ft sheets of black poly, plus one forming a > roof, and another for the lens to poke through. The PoD, er, DoP had > the sparks rig a 2.5k HMI on each side and top, quite close to, and > firing directly THROUGH the black poly! > We were all gobsmacked, but I have to say that even if it wasn?t the > most obvious or energy efficient way of lighting a talking head, the > effect looked amazing. > This example, and the Bob Wright one, indicate one of the reasons why so much TV lighting has been, frankly, uninspiring. It takes considerable courage to jettison the conventional approach, which inherently offers belt, braces and some string. If you light 50ft of banquet table with just two effing great lights, and nothing else, you have to be totally confident that it will work. Whereas film can sometimes allow a try-out, TV almost never does - there is one chance only. Get it wrong and every boom will caste a visible shadow, and every close-up will look dreadful - get it right and every hard-arsed spark, boom op and cameraman will gasp with amazement. Few lighting directors have had the nerve (as well as inspiration) to perform without a safety net. I'm just glad I've seen one or two in my working life. Chris Woolf --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From patheigham at amps.net Mon Jan 21 10:24:01 2019 From: patheigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2019 16:24:01 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Lighting In-Reply-To: <18fcef6a-2632-15be-12e0-9f9f1a3bd254@chriswoolf.co.uk> References: <71c68409-c307-42eb-345f-c3b4a2fb148f@gmail.com> <1DEFFA24A91B4F7CA57DFD6A4B593A17@CliveHP> <18fcef6a-2632-15be-12e0-9f9f1a3bd254@chriswoolf.co.uk> Message-ID: <5c45f221.1c69fb81.73b0b.0f22@mx.google.com> I was fortunate to have worked with the great Freddie Young. Not on a multi-dollar feature, but on the pilot for the Nescafe Gold commercials! Freddie paused by the sound table, and enquired who was the boom op. I introduced myself, he said: ?I?m Freddie ? you won?t have any problem?. I stood in the acting area, inspecting the lights. Thanks to BBC training, I could see that it was absolutely textbook 3-point, key, fill and backlight. On a much earlier occasion, I worked on the UK shoot of ?On A Clear Day? starring Barbra Streisand. In the Brighton Pavilion, the DoP was Harry Stradling Sr. whom I gathered was one of the US industry?s top guys. His technique was curious ? he flooded the room with light from brutes, then flagged it off where he didn?t want it. One couldn?t walk a straight line across the room for the forest of lamp and flag stands! Down in the kitchens for a scene, the heat from the lights, triggered the silent fire alarm ? wired direct to the fire station. Suddenly, in the middle of a take, we were invaded by burly helmeted firemen, wanting to know where the fire was! 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URL: From relong at btinternet.com Mon Jan 21 12:00:02 2019 From: relong at btinternet.com (Roger E Long) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2019 18:00:02 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Lighting In-Reply-To: References: <71c68409-c307-42eb-345f-c3b4a2fb148f@gmail.com> <1DEFFA24A91B4F7CA57DFD6A4B593A17@CliveHP> Message-ID: BBC Film Dept had many DOPs and PODs On one medieval drama set high in the Lake District in a boat house next to frozen tarn our POD was very old school All Inkie Dinks on turtles , very noir but time consuming rigging He suffered a breakdown and was replaced by a veteran doco genius, a Leica man He lit everything with a soft blonde and barn doored redheads, quick as a flash They all winced at this simplicity, I knew his crafty style and his reliance on Zeis distagons for atmosphere and narrow depth of field On viewing the final film print it was impossible to see the join in the 2 styles, much to productions amazement I also experienced the the Black Lighting theory in practice, with a Ken Loach regular DP He lit a set entirely with bounce from Black 8x4? poly Kilowats going in, FA falling on the artist I reminded him of the Hoffnung cartoon of a mad professor inventing black light He was not amused. Some DPs loved flags, so many it was impossible to move on his set, a nightmare for a boom op but a good photo op for the crew room On a big Sahara drama, the DP was using 20Ks as fill on motorised Arri stands As the sun set he was lowering the heads and causing my boom op agony with shadows appearing out of nowhere from lights behind him on distant ergs?. He was even tracking the stands... All unrehearsed or even mentioned. Ah the joy of it all. Roger > On 21 Jan 2019, at 15:34, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: > > Here?s one you might find hard to believe, but I assure you it?s true. > A shoot that I think was a pilot for a proposed Channel Four series, or some-such. > Lenny Henry in MCU talking to camera - that?s all it was. > There was supposed to have been a Jackanory-style set, but when we asked when it would be arriving, we were told it wasn?t, they couldn?t afford a set. I recall the cameraman asking the immortal question: ?Are you sure we can afford a camera?? > So, there we were in an empty four-waller with a lighting director commonly known as The Prince of Darkness. I?m safe in naming him as such, because in my time I?ve come across several to whom that title is often disrespectfully attributed. > So (again), Lenny was placed on a chair in a three sided box consisting of three 8ft x 4ft sheets of black poly, plus one forming a roof, and another for the lens to poke through. The PoD, er, DoP had the sparks rig a 2.5k HMI on each side and top, quite close to, and firing directly THROUGH the black poly! > We were all gobsmacked, but I have to say that even if it wasn?t the most obvious or energy efficient way of lighting a talking head, the effect looked amazing. > Cheers, > Nick. > > Sent from my iPad > > On 21 Jan 2019, at 13:24, Geoff Fletcher via Tech1 > wrote: > >> We had a lighting director at Anglia who always used a dozen lights when one would do, so to speak. His long suffering gaffers and crew were used to all the humping involved and didn?t complain overmuch. However on location one day at London City Hall he was lighting Cyril Cusack sitting at a desk in an office overlooking the Thames on one of our drama serials. I was Unit Manager and was up against it timewise as the there was a BBC crew waiting to light the same office for one of their productions. 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I ordered from Exchange & Mart a box of very large aerosols in dark blue Slowly, at a panel a time, the Spitfire went from red to blue ! Attracted quite an audience as I remember ... a small crowd would turn up to offer 'useful' advice !!! The fibre glass bonnet was the hardest , I never got that quite right till the STO course was actually over ! I rather fancied something bigger like a TR and eventually sold the Spitfire and bought the TR4 as shown..this was a bit special a 'TR Dove' made by a garage somewhere in South London. This had added "MGB GT type bodywork" glued onto the rear. It was fairly heavy and had a slightly "ponderous" drive ! The engine had been tweaked by SAH ( bored out to 2.2 litre , fancy exhaust system etc. etc. ) It needed a lot of upkeep ! In the end the overnight petrol price hike from 32p a gallon to 50p did it in . After many adverts in Exchange and Mart I sold it to a farmer from Holdsworthy in Devon ! The two photos were taken by a chap called Jay Moss-Powell who had seen me somewhere and tracked me down.. he turned up one day with his TLR Rollie, eventually posting me these two prints which ( not seen for years) I found in the loft when stacking boxes of Christmas Decs away ! Tony Crake -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: dove:1.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 985420 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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On 22 Jan 2019, at 20:41, Tony Crake via Tech1 wrote: > I had a Triumph Spitfire ....841 KNM. When at last I was ordered to go on the STO Course in the spring of 1971 I thought it might be a bit boring so I decided to > > change the rather "bleached" and scuffed red bodywork in the evenings. I ordered from Exchange & Mart a box of very large aerosols in dark blue > > Slowly, at a panel a time, the Spitfire went from red to blue ! Attracted quite an audience as I remember ... a small crowd would turn up to offer 'useful' advice !!! > > The fibre glass bonnet was the hardest , I never got that quite right till the STO course was actually over ! > > I rather fancied something bigger like a TR and eventually sold the Spitfire and bought the TR4 as shown..this was a bit special a 'TR Dove' made by a > > garage somewhere in South London. This had added "MGB GT type bodywork" glued onto the rear. It was fairly heavy and had a slightly "ponderous" drive ! > > The engine had been tweaked by SAH ( bored out to 2.2 litre , fancy exhaust system etc. etc. ) It needed a lot of upkeep ! In the end the overnight petrol > > price hike from 32p a gallon to 50p did it in . After many adverts in Exchange and Mart I sold it to a farmer from Holdsworthy in Devon ! > > The two photos were taken by a chap called Jay Moss-Powell who had seen me somewhere and tracked me down.. he turned up one day with > > his TLR Rollie, eventually posting me these two prints which ( not seen for years) I found in the loft when stacking boxes of Christmas Decs away ! > > Tony Crake > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Cheers Tony On Wed, 23 Jan 2019 at 10:15, Barry Bonner wrote: > Hi Tony et Al, > I was a great fan of Triumphs having been taught to drive by my sister?s > boyfriend (also called Barry!) in his Triumph Herald. (See below) > > I had two Triumph 2000s (Reg BPN 230 B & ALA 477 G) and one Triumph 2500 > TC (Reg JUR 888 N). > > The latter was a great car for towing boats! Lots of torque, I used to tow > this boat all the way from sunny Ruislip to midgey Ullapool, some 625 > miles. I did it in one go, driving overnight. Best time 11hours 40 mins! > > Ah! The good old days! I now drive a 1999 V6 2.5 litre diesel Audi A4 > Avant, probably the best car I?ve ever had. > Barry. > > > > > > On 22 Jan 2019, at 20:41, Tony Crake via Tech1 > wrote: > > I had a Triumph Spitfire ....841 KNM. When at last I was ordered to go on > the STO Course in the spring of 1971 I thought it might be a bit boring so > I decided to > > change the rather "bleached" and scuffed red bodywork in the evenings. I > ordered from Exchange & Mart a box of very large aerosols in dark blue > > Slowly, at a panel a time, the Spitfire went from red to blue ! Attracted > quite an audience as I remember ... a small crowd would turn up to offer > 'useful' advice !!! > > The fibre glass bonnet was the hardest , I never got that quite right till > the STO course was actually over ! > > I rather fancied something bigger like a TR and eventually sold the > Spitfire and bought the TR4 as shown..this was a bit special a 'TR Dove' > made by a > > garage somewhere in South London. This had added "MGB GT type bodywork" > glued onto the rear. It was fairly heavy and had a slightly "ponderous" > drive ! > > The engine had been tweaked by SAH ( bored out to 2.2 litre , fancy > exhaust system etc. etc. ) It needed a lot of upkeep ! In the end the > overnight petrol > > price hike from 32p a gallon to 50p did it in . After many adverts in > Exchange and Mart I sold it to a farmer from Holdsworthy in Devon ! > > The two photos were taken by a chap called Jay Moss-Powell who had seen me > somewhere and tracked me down.. he turned up one day with > > his TLR Rollie, eventually posting me these two prints which ( not seen > for years) I found in the loft when stacking boxes of Christmas Decs away ! > > Tony Crake > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Triumph Herald.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 126971 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Triumph 2500TC.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 241734 bytes Desc: not available URL: From bernie833 at gmail.com Wed Jan 23 05:27:59 2019 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2019 11:27:59 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] More Triumph Stuff In-Reply-To: <0DF6616C-3035-46B3-B931-97DE29A42FF3@btinternet.com> References: <0DF6616C-3035-46B3-B931-97DE29A42FF3@btinternet.com> Message-ID: For a moment I thought that was my old house in the colour photo - but of course it was Ruislip, and probably lots of the houses were built by the same company. Somewhere I have pictures of my 12/50 Herald and Mk3 Spitfire. Strange how so many of us went the same route. B On 23/01/2019 10:15, Barry Bonner via Tech1 wrote: > Hi Tony et Al, > I was a great fan of Triumphs having been taught to drive by my > sister?s boyfriend (also called Barry!) in his Triumph Herald. (See below) > > I had two Triumph 2000s (Reg BPN 230 B & ALA 477 G) and one Triumph > 2500 TC (Reg JUR 888 N). > > The latter was a great car for towing boats! Lots of torque, I used to > tow this boat all the way from sunny Ruislip to midgey Ullapool, some > 625 miles. I did it in one go, driving overnight. Best time 11hours 40 > mins! > > Ah! The good old days! I now drive a 1999 V6 2.5 litre diesel Audi A4 > Avant, probably the best car I?ve ever had. > Barry. > > > > > > On 22 Jan 2019, at 20:41, Tony Crake via Tech1 > wrote: > >> I had a Triumph Spitfire ....841 KNM. When at last I was ordered to >> go on the STO Course in the spring of 1971 I thought it might be a >> bit boring so I decided to >> >> change the rather "bleached" and scuffed red bodywork in the >> evenings.? I ordered from Exchange & Mart a ?box of very large >> aerosols in dark blue >> >> Slowly, at a panel a time, the Spitfire went from red to blue ! >> Attracted quite an audience as I remember ... a small crowd would >> turn up to offer 'useful' advice !!! >> >> The fibre glass bonnet was the hardest , I never got that quite right >> till the STO course was actually over ! >> >> I rather fancied something bigger like a TR and eventually sold the >> Spitfire and bought the TR4 as shown..this was a bit special a 'TR >> Dove' ?made by a >> >> garage somewhere in South London. This had added "MGB GT type >> bodywork" glued onto the rear. It was fairly heavy and had a slightly >> "ponderous" drive ! >> >> The engine ?had been tweaked by SAH ( bored out to 2.2 litre , fancy >> exhaust system etc. etc. ) It needed a lot of upkeep ! In the end the >> overnight petrol >> >> price hike from 32p a gallon to 50p did it in . 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The first thing I learned was that ?vingt Gauloises s?il vous pla?t? produced not 20 cigarettes but 20 packets of 20. Les Anglais! Dave Newbitt. From: Barry Bonner via Tech1 Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2019 10:15 AM To: Tony Crake Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] More Triumph Stuff Hi Tony et Al, I was a great fan of Triumphs having been taught to drive by my sister?s boyfriend (also called Barry!) in his Triumph Herald. (See below) I had two Triumph 2000s (Reg BPN 230 B & ALA 477 G) and one Triumph 2500 TC (Reg JUR 888 N). The latter was a great car for towing boats! Lots of torque, I used to tow this boat all the way from sunny Ruislip to midgey Ullapool, some 625 miles. I did it in one go, driving overnight. Best time 11hours 40 mins! Ah! The good old days! I now drive a 1999 V6 2.5 litre diesel Audi A4 Avant, probably the best car I?ve ever had. Barry. On 22 Jan 2019, at 20:41, Tony Crake via Tech1 wrote: I had a Triumph Spitfire ....841 KNM. When at last I was ordered to go on the STO Course in the spring of 1971 I thought it might be a bit boring so I decided to change the rather "bleached" and scuffed red bodywork in the evenings. I ordered from Exchange & Mart a box of very large aerosols in dark blue Slowly, at a panel a time, the Spitfire went from red to blue ! Attracted quite an audience as I remember ... a small crowd would turn up to offer 'useful' advice !!! The fibre glass bonnet was the hardest , I never got that quite right till the STO course was actually over ! I rather fancied something bigger like a TR and eventually sold the Spitfire and bought the TR4 as shown..this was a bit special a 'TR Dove' made by a garage somewhere in South London. This had added "MGB GT type bodywork" glued onto the rear. It was fairly heavy and had a slightly "ponderous" drive ! The engine had been tweaked by SAH ( bored out to 2.2 litre , fancy exhaust system etc. etc. ) It needed a lot of upkeep ! In the end the overnight petrol price hike from 32p a gallon to 50p did it in . After many adverts in Exchange and Mart I sold it to a farmer from Holdsworthy in Devon ! The two photos were taken by a chap called Jay Moss-Powell who had seen me somewhere and tracked me down.. he turned up one day with his TLR Rollie, eventually posting me these two prints which ( not seen for years) I found in the loft when stacking boxes of Christmas Decs away ! Tony Crake -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Only redeeming features were the front leather bench seat with a floor change, and all the trim and bumpers were stainless steel. Barry. On 23 Jan 2019, at 15:18, David Newbitt wrote: > Seem to remember Barry that in its time the 2500TC was voted best tow car by caravanners. Funny how this Triumph thread has blossomed. > > How about this ad from 1964 ? an open TR4A for under a grand! > > > > I posted on Jan 17th. a shot of my Herald 1200 convertible (under ?Petrol Quality? for some reason) taken in France in 1964. If I can run the image to ground I?ll throw in the Spitfire Mk II which followed it. I still have the AA guide to touring in France which was current at the time, complete with useful phrase book. The first thing I learned was that ?vingt Gauloises s?il vous pla?t? produced not 20 cigarettes but 20 packets of 20. Les Anglais! > > Dave Newbitt. > > From: Barry Bonner via Tech1 > Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2019 10:15 AM > To: Tony Crake > Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > Subject: Re: [Tech1] More Triumph Stuff > > Hi Tony et Al, > I was a great fan of Triumphs having been taught to drive by my sister?s boyfriend (also called Barry!) in his Triumph Herald. (See below) > > I had two Triumph 2000s (Reg BPN 230 B & ALA 477 G) and one Triumph 2500 TC (Reg JUR 888 N). > > The latter was a great car for towing boats! Lots of torque, I used to tow this boat all the way from sunny Ruislip to midgey Ullapool, some 625 miles. I did it in one go, driving overnight. Best time 11hours 40 mins! > > Ah! The good old days! I now drive a 1999 V6 2.5 litre diesel Audi A4 Avant, probably the best car I?ve ever had. > Barry. > > > > > > > > On 22 Jan 2019, at 20:41, Tony Crake via Tech1 wrote: > >> I had a Triumph Spitfire ....841 KNM. When at last I was ordered to go on the STO Course in the spring of 1971 I thought it might be a bit boring so I decided to >> >> change the rather "bleached" and scuffed red bodywork in the evenings. I ordered from Exchange & Mart a box of very large aerosols in dark blue >> >> Slowly, at a panel a time, the Spitfire went from red to blue ! Attracted quite an audience as I remember ... a small crowd would turn up to offer 'useful' advice !!! >> >> The fibre glass bonnet was the hardest , I never got that quite right till the STO course was actually over ! >> >> I rather fancied something bigger like a TR and eventually sold the Spitfire and bought the TR4 as shown..this was a bit special a 'TR Dove' made by a >> >> garage somewhere in South London. This had added "MGB GT type bodywork" glued onto the rear. It was fairly heavy and had a slightly "ponderous" drive ! >> >> The engine had been tweaked by SAH ( bored out to 2.2 litre , fancy exhaust system etc. etc. ) It needed a lot of upkeep ! In the end the overnight petrol >> >> price hike from 32p a gallon to 50p did it in . After many adverts in Exchange and Mart I sold it to a farmer from Holdsworthy in Devon ! >> >> The two photos were taken by a chap called Jay Moss-Powell who had seen me somewhere and tracked me down.. he turned up one day with >> >> his TLR Rollie, eventually posting me these two prints which ( not seen for years) I found in the loft when stacking boxes of Christmas Decs away ! >> >> Tony Crake >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: Triumph 2500TC.jpg Type: image/jpg Size: 241734 bytes Desc: Triumph 2500TC.jpg URL: From patheigham at amps.net Wed Jan 23 11:22:18 2019 From: patheigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2019 17:22:18 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] More Triumph Stuff In-Reply-To: References: <0DF6616C-3035-46B3-B931-97DE29A42FF3@btinternet.com>, <35278DBB50EA46AEA8667834BB69E86F@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> Message-ID: <5c48a2cb.1c69fb81.93a7e.81f3@mx.google.com> I failed my first driving test, in the driving school car, a Beetle I think, which I hated. Took it later in Dad?s Herald in which I had been practising, and was far more comfortable and confident. Silly story: engrossed in the manoeuvre to reverse into a side road, to turn, I was halfway round the corner when a dog appeared, and sat down in the road, right behind my intended path! The examiner noticed this and said: ?Won?t he move?? What to do ? I couldn?t ask him to step out and boot the dog. So I elected to drive back into the main road and park up, then to get out and ?persuade? Bonzo to F-Off! To this day I wonder if this was a trained animal to watch out and perform on the test route! Flashing lights: the police will say that this signal is unofficial, so be it, but if someone has given way to me at a traffic calming chicane, I briefly give a flash if at night, in daylight - a hand wave. Ditto to allow a oncoming vehicle to precede. The police are right, as it can be construed in two completely opposite ways. There is an increasing tendency for drivers to use dipped headlights in broad daylight. Imported Volvos automatically switched on side lights only, which I believe was illegal in daylight, but couldn?t be overridden? I have noticed that huge 4x4 Chelsea tractors are now so high that dipped heads actually dazzle. Surely the adjustment should be made to aim them down a bit? I believe Dave Allen had a gag, whereby one is waiting at a red light ? boy racer pulls up alongside, itching to rev up and beat you away. Dave?s trick was to rev up and inch forward a gnat?s, before the lights changed, whereupon boy racer lets in his clutch and zooms off ? whack! Who was it that said that Volvo drivers were just embryo BMW drivers waiting to graduate! Best Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Nick Ware via Tech1 Sent: 23 January 2019 15:53 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] More Triumph Stuff Nowadays a headlight flash is more likely to mean ?get out of my way you prat!? (Or some-such). Cheers, Nick. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From patheigham at amps.net Wed Jan 23 12:02:08 2019 From: patheigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2019 18:02:08 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Maybe First Cars? In-Reply-To: References: <0DF6616C-3035-46B3-B931-97DE29A42FF3@btinternet.com>, <35278DBB50EA46AEA8667834BB69E86F@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> Message-ID: <5c48ac21.1c69fb81.4fb13.0b6c@mx.google.com> The Herald wasn?t my first car ? thanks to a generous aunt who didn?t want me to have to wait until she shuffled off, gave me a cheque which pretty well paid for an Austin A40 ? new! It was red with a black top, like the attached photos, and was brilliant inasmuch as it was a unique hatchback, with a split rear door. This was ideal for transporting my hi-fi gear around to friends? parties ? as a gram op, one had access to the top ten, before they became the top-ten! Yes, I was DJ?ing long before anyone realised that it meant more than a Dinner Jacket! Think I imported everything into the Evesham club dance hall for a pantomime that my STO course put on. Sadly the A40 suffered a couple of problems ? during my ownership, it had two new steering columns and about six electric petrol pumps. Dad got fed up with emergency calls from the brokendown me, and we rigged up a string to jolt the thing into resuming its ticking! Best Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 5D4204EC9FF9457E9AE1DCE3C344BB46.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 186286 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 07397751FD0F4D299BEB5983C6164C43.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 182990 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: BF262D3A4373424487AB814650BA5B8B.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 96391 bytes Desc: not available URL: From mikej at bmanor.co.uk Wed Jan 23 12:28:39 2019 From: mikej at bmanor.co.uk (Mike Jordan) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2019 18:28:39 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] Maybe First Cars? In-Reply-To: <5c48ac21.1c69fb81.4fb13.0b6c@mx.google.com> References: <0DF6616C-3035-46B3-B931-97DE29A42FF3@btinternet.com>, <35278DBB50EA46AEA8667834BB69E86F@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> <5c48ac21.1c69fb81.4fb13.0b6c@mx.google.com> Message-ID: My first car was this Morris Minor purchased not long after I had passed my test whilst on TA22 at Wood Norton in 1996. Evesham was good for driving lessons and taking a test since at that time there were few traffic lights and only one roundabout at the end of town heading for Broadway, but they never took you there on the test since there was nowhere to turn back safely on that main road outside town! Took us to and fro for weekends home. I later had to replace the wings as they rusted and replaced them with glass fibre ones which you could buy in those days and simply bolted onto the chassis. This was one of the early ones without the flappy turn indicators but they hadn?t changed the rear lamp cluster so, like US cars, they put in a relay and flashed the relevant side brake light! Simples eh? Then graduated to Minis. My first Mini turned up in a photo of us doing Comms tests at Margate for Conservative conference in 1972. Here it was dwarfed by a BBC Eagle Tower and Radio Links Van (probably ULM 124A ? BBC code A for Austin) At least one could mend those cars unlike now were they are all sealed units and computer controlled! Mike -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Mike%20and%20MOO%20-%20Ilford_s[2].jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 65353 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Margate%20-%20KIngsborough%20tests%201972_s[2].jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 38912 bytes Desc: not available URL: From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Wed Jan 23 16:56:48 2019 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2019 22:56:48 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Maybe First Cars? In-Reply-To: References: <0DF6616C-3035-46B3-B931-97DE29A42FF3@btinternet.com> <35278DBB50EA46AEA8667834BB69E86F@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> <5c48ac21.1c69fb81.4fb13.0b6c@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <246220c3-6e51-3cd2-f2ed-485db48a66b6@btinternet.com> Our first car was also a Morris Minor, but the 2C version with split windscreen and trafficators, bought from a 'bomb site' car sales place in Birmingham for ?345 (my wife's superannuation!). It did 1 pint of oil per 1000 miles, so I had it re-bored etc. which improved it somewhat! We moved from Moseley to Richmond, when I transferred to TV, using just the MM twice a day whilst 'running it in' down the M45/M1! It was nearly killed off when the main Morris dealer in Acton 'forgot' to put any oil in the gearbox after a 'service'! Luckily, I had added Lubrisyl? silicone additive to the gear box oil and that kept it going. The company paid me 3/6d. for the oil charged for but not installed! I never went there again and started doing my own servicing, as you do! We then moved onto a Singer Gazelle 3c, but that's a whole new story! Cheers, Dave From geoffletch at gmail.com Thu Jan 24 02:01:29 2019 From: geoffletch at gmail.com (Geoff Fletcher) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2019 08:01:29 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Maybe First Cars? In-Reply-To: <246220c3-6e51-3cd2-f2ed-485db48a66b6@btinternet.com> References: <0DF6616C-3035-46B3-B931-97DE29A42FF3@btinternet.com> <35278DBB50EA46AEA8667834BB69E86F@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> <5c48ac21.1c69fb81.4fb13.0b6c@mx.google.com> <246220c3-6e51-3cd2-f2ed-485db48a66b6@btinternet.com> Message-ID: Dave Jorgensen and I bought a convertible Minor as per Dave?s version when we shared a flat in Ealing after joining the BBC. We also bought a Halfords(?) manual and did our own servicing and repairs. It got me up to Shropshire and Dave down to Bristol when we went home. He bought my share out and I bought a frog eye Sprite. I think he sold the Minor in Bristol. It would be worth quite a bit now. Geoff F On Wed, 23 Jan 2019 at 22:57, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: > Our first car was also a Morris Minor, but the 2C version with split > windscreen and trafficators, bought from a 'bomb site' car sales place > in Birmingham for ?345 (my wife's superannuation!). It did 1 pint of oil > per 1000 miles, so I had it re-bored etc. which improved it somewhat! We > moved from Moseley to Richmond, when I transferred to TV, using just the > MM twice a day whilst 'running it in' down the M45/M1! It was nearly > killed off when the main Morris dealer in Acton 'forgot' to put any oil > in the gearbox after a 'service'! Luckily, I had added Lubrisyl? > silicone additive to the gear box oil and that kept it going. The > company paid me 3/6d. for the oil charged for but not installed! I never > went there again and started doing my own servicing, as you do! We then > moved onto a Singer Gazelle 3c, but that's a whole new story! Cheers, Dave > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Had the heater going flat out on the way up (and with the windows wide open)? to try to keep the engine cool . -- Best Regards Alec Alec Bray alec.bray.2 at gmail.com mob: 07789 561 346 home: 0118 981 7502 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: jbafmhdgkbmafgpl.png Type: image/png Size: 501382 bytes Desc: not available URL: From patheigham at amps.net Thu Jan 24 06:25:58 2019 From: patheigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2019 12:25:58 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Maybe First Cars? In-Reply-To: References: <0DF6616C-3035-46B3-B931-97DE29A42FF3@btinternet.com> <35278DBB50EA46AEA8667834BB69E86F@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> <5c48ac21.1c69fb81.4fb13.0b6c@mx.google.com> <246220c3-6e51-3cd2-f2ed-485db48a66b6@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <5c49aed5.1c69fb81.17234.9bb6@mx.google.com> I was incorrect in my recent posting about my first car being the A40 ? in fact prior to that I had a secondhand A35 van that had the rear panels re-glassed. It got me up and down to Wood Norton, but used more oil than fuel! I fitted a roof light in the back for easier loading in the dark, and on making the final connections, managed to create a short circuit, the wiring ignited like a det cord, luckily not setting fire to the roof lining, but gave me a hell of a fright! Best Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000901d4b3e8$c15f7470$441e5d50$@gmail.com> This reminds me of the notice about reserved parking somewhere in Wales. I can?t remember the exact details but there was a notice in a car park about some spaces being reserved for staff and the Welsh translation read in Welsh ? I am out of the office this week try again next? or something to that effect. BJ From: Tech1 [mailto:tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk] On Behalf Of Ian H via Tech1 Sent: 24 January 2019 13:08 To: Tech-OpsMailing List Subject: [Tech1] "The deluxe service costs extra, you say?" "So you don't want the deluxe service where we check your spelling/grammar/etc/"... "No"... "OK" oops.jpg https://metro.co.uk/2019/01/23/ntas-credits-blunder-shows-us-copy-paste-isnt-always-friend-8377982/ https://www.radiotimes.com/news/tv/2019-01-24/national-television-awards-blooper-credits/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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There is certainly a true story about our local farmer's market. HMRC turned up with some dipping gear. They approached one guy with a Landrover who assured them that there was "no need to dip my tank", and stood firmly in front of the filler. "I'm sorry sir, but we have to do it". "No, there's no need to dip my tank". The farmer prevaricated for many minutes, during which time more than 20 Landrovers drove hurriedly (and perhaps a little smokily)? out of the market area. Eventually the farmer stepped aside ... to show that it was a petrol-engined version. Chris Woolf On 24/01/2019 12:29, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > > This is from a website called Petrol Prices ? it lets me know the > cheapest fuel in a radius of 5km from home. > > This issue is interesting & worrying regarding the illicit fuel. > > Pat > > Sent from Mail for > Windows 10 > > *From: *PetrolPrices.com > *Sent: *24 January 2019 07:41 > *To: *pat.heigham at amps.net > *Subject: *Police seize red diesel at UK forecourts > > Visit PetrolPrices.com > > > *Hey?PATRICK,* > > Here's your latest newsletter from PetrolPrices.com, summarised below > with quick links too! > > *Summary of news* > > Is the law on older drivers still fit for purpose? > > > Police seize red diesel at UK forecourts > > > Motorists forced to foot bill to park at work > > > *Summary of offers* > > Save up to ?458* on energy with this exclusive tariff > > > Find the best local prices for a 68-Plate car this January and save > thousands > > > Police seize red diesel at UK forecourts > > > > Police seize red diesel at UK forecourts > > > Police and HMRC officers, who temporarily closed several petrol > stations and seized two vehicles, seized over ?50,000 worth of > suspected stolen fuel the same week as discovering a fuel laundering > plant. 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He was well over the limit, and got carted off to the police station in the patrol car, leaving the other officer, who then discovered that the Roller was LHD and the chauffeur behind the wheel was totally sober. The policeman asked for a lift to the station, whereupon he was told to ?F-off? by the chauffeur! Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Chris Woolf via Tech1 Sent: 24 January 2019 13:54 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] ****SPAM:9.6**** FW: Police seize red diesel at UKforecourts There is certainly a true story about our local farmer's market. HMRC turned up with some dipping gear. They approached one guy with a Landrover who assured them that there was "no need to dip my tank", and stood firmly in front of the filler. "I'm sorry sir, but we have to do it". "No, there's no need to dip my tank". The farmer prevaricated for many minutes, during which time more than 20 Landrovers drove hurriedly (and perhaps a little smokily)? out of the market area. Eventually the farmer stepped aside ... to show that it was a petrol-engined version. Chris Woolf --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at btinternet.com Thu Jan 24 08:49:49 2019 From: pat.heigham at btinternet.com (patheigham) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2019 14:49:49 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Car Park Notices In-Reply-To: <000901d4b3e8$c15f7470$441e5d50$@gmail.com> References: <000901d4b3e8$c15f7470$441e5d50$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5C24804F025525BD@rgout05.bt.lon5.cpcloud.co.uk> (added by postmaster@btinternet.com) A pilot friend of mine was working in Perth, Australia, and photographed a sign in a car park there, and had great fun printing up notices that he surreptitiously pinned up on local English pub?s boards: ?Please check under your car for Penguins? Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Bill Jenkin via Tech1 Sent: 24 January 2019 13:29 To: co. uk email group Subject: Re: [Tech1] "The deluxe service costs extra, you say?" This reminds me of the notice about reserved parking somewhere in Wales. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graeme.wall at icloud.com Thu Jan 24 09:29:22 2019 From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2019 15:29:22 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] ****SPAM:9.6**** FW: Police seize red diesel at UKforecourts In-Reply-To: <5c49ce9b.1c69fb81.33ab8.1792@mx.google.com> References: <571a469e.AMwAACrldngAAbemPHQAAGtBDEYAARpc9MEAGrFGAAfCtwBcSWwP@mailjet.com> <5c49afb9.1c69fb81.94828.b290@mx.google.com> <9c67d1f9-29d7-4b29-9df8-1725ad94131c@chriswoolf.co.uk> <5c49ce9b.1c69fb81.33ab8.1792@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Allegedly happened on the M4. I remember hearing about it in the mid 70s. ? Graeme Wall > On 24 Jan 2019, at 14:41, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > > Lovely story, Chris! > I am reminded of a police car pulling over a Rolls and insisting that the person in the right hand seat take a breath test. > He was well over the limit, and got carted off to the police station in the patrol car, leaving the other officer, who then discovered that the Roller was LHD and the chauffeur behind the wheel was totally sober. The policeman asked for a lift to the station, whereupon he was told to ?F-off? by the chauffeur! > Pat > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > From: Chris Woolf via Tech1 > Sent: 24 January 2019 13:54 > To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > Subject: Re: [Tech1] ****SPAM:9.6**** FW: Police seize red diesel at UKforecourts > > There is certainly a true story about our local farmer's market. HMRC turned up with some dipping gear. They approached one guy with a Landrover who assured them that there was "no need to dip my tank", and stood firmly in front of the filler. "I'm sorry sir, but we have to do it". "No, there's no need to dip my tank". The farmer prevaricated for many minutes, during which time more than 20 Landrovers drove hurriedly (and perhaps a little smokily) out of the market area. Eventually the farmer stepped aside ... to show that it was a petrol-engined version. > > Chris Woolf > > > > > > Virus-free. www.avast.com > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From waresound at msn.com Fri Jan 25 13:54:40 2019 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2019 19:54:40 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] ****SPAM:9.6**** FW: Police seize red diesel at UK forecourts In-Reply-To: <9c67d1f9-29d7-4b29-9df8-1725ad94131c@chriswoolf.co.uk> References: <571a469e.AMwAACrldngAAbemPHQAAGtBDEYAARpc9MEAGrFGAAfCtwBcSWwP@mailjet.com> <5c49afb9.1c69fb81.94828.b290@mx.google.com>, <9c67d1f9-29d7-4b29-9df8-1725ad94131c@chriswoolf.co.uk> Message-ID: Sent from my iPad On 24 Jan 2019, at 13:54, Chris Woolf via Tech1 > wrote: [snip] .. However HMRC can detect very tiny traces. They are capable of being spectacularly obtuse too. A good friend of mine tells a story of a relative of his who likes to be known as ?RB? (his forename initials). His surname being Jones. He submitted a tax return, entering his forename as RB, and surname as Jones. The form was rejected and returned with the comment: ?Would you please enter your full names, Mr Jones?. So he edited the forename spaces with ?R(only) and B(only)?. This time it was accepted, and he got an acknowledgement back, addressed to Mr Ronly Bonly Jones. He left it at that! Probably completely untrue, but I like to think it could be. Cheers, Nick. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On the way back, having delivered the girls safely back to the nurses? home, it was usually necessary to stop near Wyre Piddle, and make sure that Piddle Brook was in full flow! Anyone else operated this car service? Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Alec Bray via Tech1 Sent: 24 January 2019 08:36 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Maybe First Cars? Hi, My first car - an Austin A30. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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His surname being Jones. > He submitted a tax return, entering his forename as RB, and surname as Jones. > The form was rejected and returned with the comment: ?Would you please enter your full names, Mr Jones?. > So he edited the forename spaces with ?R(only) and B(only)?. > This time it was accepted, and he got an acknowledgement back, addressed to Mr Ronly Bonly Jones. > He left it at that! > > Probably completely untrue, but I like to think it could be. > Cheers, > Nick. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Or maybe will be re-engaged by Livewire at (hopefully) vastly increased rates! I really believe that our Alma Mater ? the splendid B Beeb C is behaving like a headless chicken. Someone once remarked that if the Corporation didn?t have to produce programmes, it would run on oiled wheels! I believe that it all goes back to what was called ? Producers? Choice? whereby directors could take productions out of TVC to other companies. I blame the bean counting accountants, who removed the technical facilities cost from the programme budgets, or rather, made it chargeable. When I left ( to get into the Film Industry) in 1968, some five years later I paid a visit to meet up with some old colleagues, and over a cuppa in LG canteen, one said that he wished he had followed my example and got out too. At that time, he thought that Tech Ops was a very unhappy place. It?s all down to money, sadly. I finished on a Bond film, picked up another movie ? with the same caterer, but the food was awful, compared to Bond. When I asked the caterer why the difference, the reply was: ?Budget, dear boy, budget!? Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Ian H via Tech1 Sent: 26 January 2019 12:32 To: Tech-OpsMailing List Subject: [Tech1] BBC Studios loses 'The Proms' BBC Proms TV coverage to be produced by Livewire https://www.irishnews.com/magazine/entertainment/2019/01/25/news/tv-coverage-of-bbc-proms-to-be-produced-by-independent-company-for-first-time-1536322/ https://inews.co.uk/culture/bbc-proms-to-get-innovative-ideas-under-new-tv-production-team/ --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From paul at pgtmedia.co.uk Sat Jan 26 09:27:34 2019 From: paul at pgtmedia.co.uk (Paul Thackray) Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2019 15:27:34 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] BBC Studios loses 'The Proms' In-Reply-To: <5c4c6dce.1c69fb81.864eb.052d@mx.google.com> References: <5c4c6dce.1c69fb81.864eb.052d@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <689e7a06-8895-8092-9b0e-d827943b6d85@pgtmedia.co.uk> Its political meddling, with governments forcing the BBC to 'put things out to tender' and people 'at the top of the BBC ' trying to please those who set the licence fee (They never will!). ?Livewire is run by Guy Freeman (Who was a Camera Man at TVC) an Agent and backed by Hatrick. Guy has a strong LE background. (Dancing girls on the Proms?) Paul On 26/01/2019 14:25, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > > Does this mean that ?The Sound Alliance? which always did a superb job > with the balance, > > are not involved? Or maybe will be re-engaged by Livewire at > (hopefully) vastly increased rates! > > I really believe that our Alma Mater ? the splendid B Beeb C is > behaving like a headless chicken. > > Someone once remarked that if the Corporation didn?t have to produce > programmes, it would run > > on oiled wheels! > > I believe that it all goes back to what was called ? Producers? > Choice? whereby directors could take productions > out of TVC to other companies. I blame the bean counting accountants, > who removed the technical facilities > cost from the programme budgets, or rather, made it chargeable. > > When I left ( to get into the Film Industry) in 1968, some five years > later I paid a visit to meet up with some old > colleagues, and over a cuppa in LG canteen, one said that he wished he > had followed my example and got out > too. At that time, he thought that Tech Ops was a very unhappy place. > > It?s all down to money, sadly. I finished on a Bond film, picked up > another movie ? with the same caterer, but the food was awful, > compared to Bond. When I asked the caterer why the difference, the > reply was: ?Budget, dear boy, budget!? > > Pat > > Sent from Mail for > Windows 10 > > *From: *Ian H via Tech1 > *Sent: *26 January 2019 12:32 > *To: *Tech-OpsMailing List > *Subject: *[Tech1] BBC Studios loses 'The Proms' > > BBC Proms TV coverage to be produced by Livewire > > https://www.irishnews.com/magazine/entertainment/2019/01/25/news/tv-coverage-of-bbc-proms-to-be-produced-by-independent-company-for-first-time-1536322/ > > https://inews.co.uk/culture/bbc-proms-to-get-innovative-ideas-under-new-tv-production-team/ > > > > Virus-free. www.avast.com > > > > <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > -- Paul Thackray PGT Media Consulting Ltd. +44 7802 243979 Mail; paul at pgtmedia.co.uk Web; http://www.pgtmedia.co.uk Linkedin; http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/paul-thackray/19/379/746 IMDB; http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1488554/ --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On 27/01/2019 11:06, William Nuttall via Tech1 wrote: > The two Music Videos after John?H's Video are also interesting! > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvUU8joBb1Q&index=2&list=RDIvUU8joBb1Q > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bAdqazixuRY&list=RDIvUU8joBb1Q&index=3 > > Tony N?( In the Wilds of Cumbria) > > Begin forwarded message: > >> *From: *John Howell via Tech1 >> *Date: *January 26, 2019 5:36:49 PM >> *To: *TechOps Forum >> *Subject: **[Tech1] Interlude* >> >> As things are quiet at the moment how about a bit of music HERE >> >> >> >> John H. >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ian.hillson at gmail.com Sun Jan 27 08:15:55 2019 From: ian.hillson at gmail.com (Ian H) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2019 14:15:55 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] BBC Studios loses 'The Proms' In-Reply-To: <689e7a06-8895-8092-9b0e-d827943b6d85@pgtmedia.co.uk> References: <5c4c6dce.1c69fb81.864eb.052d@mx.google.com> <689e7a06-8895-8092-9b0e-d827943b6d85@pgtmedia.co.uk> Message-ID: https://tradingaswdr.blogspot.com/2019/01/studios-lose-proms.html On Sat, Jan 26, 2019 at 3:28 PM Paul Thackray via Tech1 < tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote: > Its political meddling, with governments forcing the BBC to 'put things > out to tender' and people 'at the top of the BBC ' trying to please those > who set the licence fee (They never will!). > > Livewire is run by Guy Freeman (Who was a Camera Man at TVC) an Agent and > backed by Hatrick. > > Guy has a strong LE background. (Dancing girls on the Proms?) > > Paul > On 26/01/2019 14:25, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > > Does this mean that ?The Sound Alliance? which always did a superb job > with the balance, > > are not involved? Or maybe will be re-engaged by Livewire at (hopefully) > vastly increased rates! > > > > I really believe that our Alma Mater ? the splendid B Beeb C is behaving > like a headless chicken. > > > > Someone once remarked that if the Corporation didn?t have to produce > programmes, it would run > > on oiled wheels! > > > > I believe that it all goes back to what was called ? Producers? Choice? > whereby directors could take productions > out of TVC to other companies. I blame the bean counting accountants, who > removed the technical facilities > cost from the programme budgets, or rather, made it chargeable. > > > > When I left ( to get into the Film Industry) in 1968, some five years > later I paid a visit to meet up with some old > colleagues, and over a cuppa in LG canteen, one said that he wished he had > followed my example and got out > too. At that time, he thought that Tech Ops was a very unhappy place. > > It?s all down to money, sadly. I finished on a Bond film, picked up > another movie ? with the same caterer, but the food was awful, compared to > Bond. When I asked the caterer why the difference, the reply was: ?Budget, > dear boy, budget!? > > Pat > > > > > > Sent from Mail for > Windows 10 > > > > *From: *Ian H via Tech1 > *Sent: *26 January 2019 12:32 > *To: *Tech-OpsMailing List > *Subject: *[Tech1] BBC Studios loses 'The Proms' > > > > BBC Proms TV coverage to be produced by Livewire > > > https://www.irishnews.com/magazine/entertainment/2019/01/25/news/tv-coverage-of-bbc-proms-to-be-produced-by-independent-company-for-first-time-1536322/ > > > https://inews.co.uk/culture/bbc-proms-to-get-innovative-ideas-under-new-tv-production-team/ > > > > > > > Virus-free. > www.avast.com > > <#m_-709722361220369053_DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > > -- > Paul Thackray > PGT Media Consulting Ltd. > +44 7802 243979 > Mail; paul at pgtmedia.co.uk > Web; http://www.pgtmedia.co.uk > Linkedin; http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/paul-thackray/19/379/746 > IMDB; http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1488554/ > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alawrance1 at me.com Sun Jan 27 08:54:20 2019 From: alawrance1 at me.com (Alasdair Lawrance) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2019 14:54:20 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] BBC Studios loses 'The Proms' In-Reply-To: <689e7a06-8895-8092-9b0e-d827943b6d85@pgtmedia.co.uk> References: <5c4c6dce.1c69fb81.864eb.052d@mx.google.com> <689e7a06-8895-8092-9b0e-d827943b6d85@pgtmedia.co.uk> Message-ID: ?Producer?s Choice was just the symptom of the disease, the disease being that these right wing governments can?t stand anything regarded as a public service. They?ve asset stripped and privatised everything possible - power, transport, water, roads, health in the name of (illusory) efficiency from the private sector. You only have to consider Carillion, Armed Services Recruitment, the Probation Service, Universal Credit to see the way it goes. The BBC is now terrified of upsetting its paymasters, so we get the quite disgraceful bias against Remain, and a constant diet of the odious Rees-Mogg, the Weatherspoons oik and ?Sir? James Dyson. In the meantime, instead of saving money by outsourcing stuff, someone called Ken McQuarrie, ?Director of Nations and Regions?, (whatever that may be), gets a 30% payrise to ?325,000 last year, and freelance camera operators are being offered ?250=00pd including kit, and sometimes editing?.. That funny noise you hear is Lord Reith spinning in the catacombs Alasdair Lawrance alawrance1 at me.com On 26 Jan 2019, at 15:27, Paul Thackray via Tech1 wrote: Its political meddling, with governments forcing the BBC to 'put things out to tender' and people 'at the top of the BBC ' trying to please those who set the licence fee (They never will!). Livewire is run by Guy Freeman (Who was a Camera Man at TVC) an Agent and backed by Hatrick. Guy has a strong LE background. (Dancing girls on the Proms?) Paul On 26/01/2019 14:25, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > Does this mean that ?The Sound Alliance? which always did a superb job with the balance, > are not involved? Or maybe will be re-engaged by Livewire at (hopefully) vastly increased rates! > > I really believe that our Alma Mater ? the splendid B Beeb C is behaving like a headless chicken. > > Someone once remarked that if the Corporation didn?t have to produce programmes, it would run > on oiled wheels! > > I believe that it all goes back to what was called ? Producers? Choice? whereby directors could take productions > out of TVC to other companies. I blame the bean counting accountants, who removed the technical facilities > cost from the programme budgets, or rather, made it chargeable. > > When I left ( to get into the Film Industry) in 1968, some five years later I paid a visit to meet up with some old > colleagues, and over a cuppa in LG canteen, one said that he wished he had followed my example and got out > too. At that time, he thought that Tech Ops was a very unhappy place. > It?s all down to money, sadly. I finished on a Bond film, picked up another movie ? with the same caterer, but the food was awful, compared to Bond. When I asked the caterer why the difference, the reply was: ?Budget, dear boy, budget!? > Pat > > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > From: Ian H via Tech1 > Sent: 26 January 2019 12:32 > To: Tech-OpsMailing List > Subject: [Tech1] BBC Studios loses 'The Proms' > > BBC Proms TV coverage to be produced by Livewire > https://www.irishnews.com/magazine/entertainment/2019/01/25/news/tv-coverage-of-bbc-proms-to-be-produced-by-independent-company-for-first-time-1536322/ > https://inews.co.uk/culture/bbc-proms-to-get-innovative-ideas-under-new-tv-production-team/ > > > > Virus-free. www.avast.com -- Paul Thackray PGT Media Consulting Ltd. +44 7802 243979 Mail; paul at pgtmedia.co.uk Web; http://www.pgtmedia.co.uk Linkedin; http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/paul-thackray/19/379/746 IMDB; http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1488554/ -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graeme.wall at icloud.com Sun Jan 27 08:55:47 2019 From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2019 14:55:47 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] BBC Studios loses 'The Proms' In-Reply-To: References: <5c4c6dce.1c69fb81.864eb.052d@mx.google.com> <689e7a06-8895-8092-9b0e-d827943b6d85@pgtmedia.co.uk> Message-ID: <8BCEA944-C392-47C6-AA7A-9EF51B99D02B@icloud.com> I like this found on that page: BBC Search is combining with BBC Archive to bring about a new actuality in online listenability metrics, and going forwards BBC Sounds will be deprecated to two services, BBC Now and BBC Then to provide a new paradigm in multi-spacetime discoveration ? Graeme Wall > On 27 Jan 2019, at 14:15, Ian H via Tech1 wrote: > > https://tradingaswdr.blogspot.com/2019/01/studios-lose-proms.html > > On Sat, Jan 26, 2019 at 3:28 PM Paul Thackray via Tech1 wrote: > Its political meddling, with governments forcing the BBC to 'put things out to tender' and people 'at the top of the BBC ' trying to please those who set the licence fee (They never will!). > > Livewire is run by Guy Freeman (Who was a Camera Man at TVC) an Agent and backed by Hatrick. > > Guy has a strong LE background. (Dancing girls on the Proms?) > > Paul > > On 26/01/2019 14:25, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: >> Does this mean that ?The Sound Alliance? which always did a superb job with the balance, >> >> are not involved? Or maybe will be re-engaged by Livewire at (hopefully) vastly increased rates! >> >> >> >> I really believe that our Alma Mater ? the splendid B Beeb C is behaving like a headless chicken. >> >> >> >> Someone once remarked that if the Corporation didn?t have to produce programmes, it would run >> >> on oiled wheels! >> >> >> >> I believe that it all goes back to what was called ? Producers? Choice? whereby directors could take productions >> out of TVC to other companies. I blame the bean counting accountants, who removed the technical facilities >> cost from the programme budgets, or rather, made it chargeable. >> >> >> >> When I left ( to get into the Film Industry) in 1968, some five years later I paid a visit to meet up with some old >> colleagues, and over a cuppa in LG canteen, one said that he wished he had followed my example and got out >> too. At that time, he thought that Tech Ops was a very unhappy place. >> >> It?s all down to money, sadly. I finished on a Bond film, picked up another movie ? with the same caterer, but the food was awful, compared to Bond. When I asked the caterer why the difference, the reply was: ?Budget, dear boy, budget!? >> >> Pat >> >> >> >> >> >> Sent from Mail for Windows 10 >> >> >> >> From: Ian H via Tech1 >> Sent: 26 January 2019 12:32 >> To: Tech-OpsMailing List >> Subject: [Tech1] BBC Studios loses 'The Proms' >> >> >> >> BBC Proms TV coverage to be produced by Livewire >> >> https://www.irishnews.com/magazine/entertainment/2019/01/25/news/tv-coverage-of-bbc-proms-to-be-produced-by-independent-company-for-first-time-1536322/ >> >> https://inews.co.uk/culture/bbc-proms-to-get-innovative-ideas-under-new-tv-production-team/ >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Virus-free. www.avast.com >> > > -- > Paul Thackray > PGT Media Consulting Ltd. > +44 7802 243979 > Mail; > paul at pgtmedia.co.uk > > Web; > http://www.pgtmedia.co.uk > > Linkedin; > http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/paul-thackray/19/379/746 > > IMDB; > http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1488554/ > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From relong at btinternet.com Sun Jan 27 11:57:55 2019 From: relong at btinternet.com (Roger E Long) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2019 17:57:55 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] BBC Studios loses 'The Proms' In-Reply-To: References: <5c4c6dce.1c69fb81.864eb.052d@mx.google.com> <689e7a06-8895-8092-9b0e-d827943b6d85@pgtmedia.co.uk> Message-ID: <6ED96C0C-D6B9-4036-A694-6EA34C1D1E86@btinternet.com> Dear Alasdair You obviously get a different feed of BBC than the one we endure Our R4 Today programme has hardly ever had a balanced report on Leave and very few of its spokespeople ever get to air since the Referendum BBC 1 Question Time has never had a Leave majority on the panel ,it mostly 4:1 Remainers World at One and PM are remainiac temples of Wisdom and Newsnight just a version of Guardian speak and abject despair.. Even World Service is blatently remoaner.. We haven?t got a Right Wing Government, compared with Europe our system is devoid of the Right Wing, first past the post defeats even UKIP let alone BNP etc etc As for the Producers Choice that disaster was promulgated by Lord Birt , Tony Blairs blue sky thinker Its collapse as a World authority beckons, as does the fate of CNN, also mired in lack of balance When you look at the long form, non commentary docs on Netflix, you realise the BBC is living in delusion state broadcaster past, dependant on a broadcasting receiving licence, more suited to 1920 s Britain than subscription Digital platforms. Lord Reith has been spinning since Jimmy Saville's caravan was parked in TVC carpark Roger > On 27 Jan 2019, at 14:54, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 wrote: > > ?Producer?s Choice was just the symptom of the disease, the disease being that these right wing governments can?t stand anything regarded as a public service. They?ve asset stripped and privatised everything possible - power, transport, water, roads, health in the name of (illusory) efficiency from the private sector. > > You only have to consider Carillion, Armed Services Recruitment, the Probation Service, Universal Credit to see the way it goes. > > The BBC is now terrified of upsetting its paymasters, so we get the quite disgraceful bias against Remain, and a constant diet of the odious Rees-Mogg, the Weatherspoons oik and ?Sir? James Dyson. > > In the meantime, instead of saving money by outsourcing stuff, someone called Ken McQuarrie, ?Director of Nations and Regions?, (whatever that may be), gets a 30% payrise to ?325,000 last year, and freelance camera operators are being offered ?250=00pd including kit, and sometimes editing?.. > > That funny noise you hear is Lord Reith spinning in the catacombs > > > Alasdair Lawrance > alawrance1 at me.com > > > > > > > On 26 Jan 2019, at 15:27, Paul Thackray via Tech1 > wrote: > > Its political meddling, with governments forcing the BBC to 'put things out to tender' and people 'at the top of the BBC ' trying to please those who set the licence fee (They never will!). > > Livewire is run by Guy Freeman (Who was a Camera Man at TVC) an Agent and backed by Hatrick. > > Guy has a strong LE background. (Dancing girls on the Proms?) > > Paul > > On 26/01/2019 14:25, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: >> Does this mean that ?The Sound Alliance? which always did a superb job with the balance, >> are not involved? Or maybe will be re-engaged by Livewire at (hopefully) vastly increased rates! >> >> I really believe that our Alma Mater ? the splendid B Beeb C is behaving like a headless chicken. >> >> Someone once remarked that if the Corporation didn?t have to produce programmes, it would run >> on oiled wheels! >> >> I believe that it all goes back to what was called ? Producers? Choice? whereby directors could take productions >> out of TVC to other companies. I blame the bean counting accountants, who removed the technical facilities >> cost from the programme budgets, or rather, made it chargeable. >> >> When I left ( to get into the Film Industry) in 1968, some five years later I paid a visit to meet up with some old >> colleagues, and over a cuppa in LG canteen, one said that he wished he had followed my example and got out >> too. At that time, he thought that Tech Ops was a very unhappy place. >> It?s all down to money, sadly. I finished on a Bond film, picked up another movie ? with the same caterer, but the food was awful, compared to Bond. When I asked the caterer why the difference, the reply was: ?Budget, dear boy, budget!? >> Pat >> >> >> Sent from Mail for Windows 10 >> >> From: Ian H via Tech1 >> Sent: 26 January 2019 12:32 >> To: Tech-OpsMailing List >> Subject: [Tech1] BBC Studios loses 'The Proms' >> >> BBC Proms TV coverage to be produced by Livewire >> https://www.irishnews.com/magazine/entertainment/2019/01/25/news/tv-coverage-of-bbc-proms-to-be-produced-by-independent-company-for-first-time-1536322/ >> https://inews.co.uk/culture/bbc-proms-to-get-innovative-ideas-under-new-tv-production-team/ >> >> >> >> Virus-free. www.avast.com > -- > Paul Thackray > PGT Media Consulting Ltd. > +44 7802 243979 > Mail; paul at pgtmedia.co.uk > Web; http://www.pgtmedia.co.uk > Linkedin; http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/paul-thackray/19/379/746 > IMDB; http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1488554/ > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ohbytheway.tv at gmail.com Sun Jan 27 12:12:27 2019 From: ohbytheway.tv at gmail.com (David Denness) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2019 18:12:27 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] BBC Studios loses 'The Proms' In-Reply-To: <6ED96C0C-D6B9-4036-A694-6EA34C1D1E86@btinternet.com> References: <5c4c6dce.1c69fb81.864eb.052d@mx.google.com> <689e7a06-8895-8092-9b0e-d827943b6d85@pgtmedia.co.uk> <6ED96C0C-D6B9-4036-A694-6EA34C1D1E86@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <001201d4b66b$dd033d80$9709b880$@gmail.com> Looks like the BBC must be doing something right to get two such diametrically opposing opinions From: Tech1 On Behalf Of Roger E Long via Tech1 Sent: 27 January 2019 17:58 To: Alasdair Lawrance Cc: Tech Ops List Subject: Re: [Tech1] BBC Studios loses 'The Proms' Dear Alasdair You obviously get a different feed of BBC than the one we endure Our R4 Today programme has hardly ever had a balanced report on Leave and very few of its spokespeople ever get to air since the Referendum BBC 1 Question Time has never had a Leave majority on the panel ,it mostly 4:1 Remainers World at One and PM are remainiac temples of Wisdom and Newsnight just a version of Guardian speak and abject despair.. Even World Service is blatently remoaner.. We haven?t got a Right Wing Government, compared with Europe our system is devoid of the Right Wing, first past the post defeats even UKIP let alone BNP etc etc As for the Producers Choice that disaster was promulgated by Lord Birt , Tony Blairs blue sky thinker Its collapse as a World authority beckons, as does the fate of CNN, also mired in lack of balance When you look at the long form, non commentary docs on Netflix, you realise the BBC is living in delusion state broadcaster past, dependant on a broadcasting receiving licence, more suited to 1920 s Britain than subscription Digital platforms. Lord Reith has been spinning since Jimmy Saville's caravan was parked in TVC carpark Roger On 27 Jan 2019, at 14:54, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 > wrote: ?Producer?s Choice was just the symptom of the disease, the disease being that these right wing governments can?t stand anything regarded as a public service. They?ve asset stripped and privatised everything possible - power, transport, water, roads, health in the name of (illusory) efficiency from the private sector. You only have to consider Carillion, Armed Services Recruitment, the Probation Service, Universal Credit to see the way it goes. The BBC is now terrified of upsetting its paymasters, so we get the quite disgraceful bias against Remain, and a constant diet of the odious Rees-Mogg, the Weatherspoons oik and ?Sir? James Dyson. In the meantime, instead of saving money by outsourcing stuff, someone called Ken McQuarrie, ?Director of Nations and Regions?, (whatever that may be), gets a 30% payrise to ?325,000 last year, and freelance camera operators are being offered ?250=00pd including kit, and sometimes editing?.. That funny noise you hear is Lord Reith spinning in the catacombs Alasdair Lawrance alawrance1 at me.com On 26 Jan 2019, at 15:27, Paul Thackray via Tech1 > wrote: Its political meddling, with governments forcing the BBC to 'put things out to tender' and people 'at the top of the BBC ' trying to please those who set the licence fee (They never will!). Livewire is run by Guy Freeman (Who was a Camera Man at TVC) an Agent and backed by Hatrick. Guy has a strong LE background. (Dancing girls on the Proms?) Paul On 26/01/2019 14:25, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: Does this mean that ?The Sound Alliance? which always did a superb job with the balance, are not involved? Or maybe will be re-engaged by Livewire at (hopefully) vastly increased rates! I really believe that our Alma Mater ? the splendid B Beeb C is behaving like a headless chicken. Someone once remarked that if the Corporation didn?t have to produce programmes, it would run on oiled wheels! I believe that it all goes back to what was called ? Producers? Choice? whereby directors could take productions out of TVC to other companies. I blame the bean counting accountants, who removed the technical facilities cost from the programme budgets, or rather, made it chargeable. When I left ( to get into the Film Industry) in 1968, some five years later I paid a visit to meet up with some old colleagues, and over a cuppa in LG canteen, one said that he wished he had followed my example and got out too. At that time, he thought that Tech Ops was a very unhappy place. It?s all down to money, sadly. I finished on a Bond film, picked up another movie ? with the same caterer, but the food was awful, compared to Bond. When I asked the caterer why the difference, the reply was: ?Budget, dear boy, budget!? Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Ian H via Tech1 Sent: 26 January 2019 12:32 To: Tech-OpsMailing List Subject: [Tech1] BBC Studios loses 'The Proms' BBC Proms TV coverage to be produced by Livewire https://www.irishnews.com/magazine/entertainment/2019/01/25/news/tv-coverage-of-bbc-proms-to-be-produced-by-independent-company-for-first-time-1536322/ https://inews.co.uk/culture/bbc-proms-to-get-innovative-ideas-under-new-tv-production-team/ Virus-free. www.avast.com -- Paul Thackray PGT Media Consulting Ltd. +44 7802 243979 Mail; paul at pgtmedia.co.uk Web; http://www.pgtmedia.co.uk Linkedin; http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/paul-thackray/19/379/746 IMDB; http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1488554/ -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mibridge at mac.com Sun Jan 27 14:03:34 2019 From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2019 20:03:34 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] BBC Studios loses 'The Proms' In-Reply-To: <001201d4b66b$dd033d80$9709b880$@gmail.com> References: <5c4c6dce.1c69fb81.864eb.052d@mx.google.com> <689e7a06-8895-8092-9b0e-d827943b6d85@pgtmedia.co.uk> <6ED96C0C-D6B9-4036-A694-6EA34C1D1E86@btinternet.com> <001201d4b66b$dd033d80$9709b880$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4514AE94-5D01-4447-A050-E5323C332604@mac.com> What is comforting is that neither argument is likely to get its author imprisoned for opposing government policy, nor lynched for criticising the opposition ~ at least, not yet! Mike G > On 27 Jan 2019, at 18:12, David Denness via Tech1 > wrote: > > Looks like the BBC must be doing something right to get two such diametrically opposing opinions > > From: Tech1 > On Behalf Of Roger E Long via Tech1 > Sent: 27 January 2019 17:58 > To: Alasdair Lawrance > > Cc: Tech Ops List > > Subject: Re: [Tech1] BBC Studios loses 'The Proms' > > Dear Alasdair > > You obviously get a different feed of BBC than the one we endure > Our R4 Today programme has hardly ever had a balanced report on Leave and very few of its spokespeople ever get to air since the Referendum > BBC 1 Question Time has never had a Leave majority on the panel ,it mostly 4:1 Remainers > World at One and PM are remainiac temples of Wisdom and Newsnight just a version of Guardian speak and abject despair.. > Even World Service is blatently remoaner.. > We haven?t got a Right Wing Government, compared with Europe our system is devoid of the Right Wing, first past the post defeats even UKIP let alone BNP etc etc > > As for the Producers Choice that disaster was promulgated by Lord Birt , Tony Blairs blue sky thinker > Its collapse as a World authority beckons, as does the fate of CNN, also mired in lack of balance > When you look at the long form, non commentary docs on Netflix, you realise the BBC is living in delusion state broadcaster past, dependant on a broadcasting receiving licence, more suited to 1920 s Britain than subscription Digital platforms. > Lord Reith has been spinning since Jimmy Saville's caravan was parked in TVC carpark > > Roger > > >> On 27 Jan 2019, at 14:54, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 > wrote: >> >> ?Producer?s Choice was just the symptom of the disease, the disease being that these right wing governments can?t stand anything regarded as a public service. They?ve asset stripped and privatised everything possible - power, transport, water, roads, health in the name of (illusory) efficiency from the private sector. >> >> You only have to consider Carillion, Armed Services Recruitment, the Probation Service, Universal Credit to see the way it goes. >> >> The BBC is now terrified of upsetting its paymasters, so we get the quite disgraceful bias against Remain, and a constant diet of the odious Rees-Mogg, the Weatherspoons oik and ?Sir? James Dyson. >> >> In the meantime, instead of saving money by outsourcing stuff, someone called Ken McQuarrie, ?Director of Nations and Regions?, (whatever that may be), gets a 30% payrise to ?325,000 last year, and freelance camera operators are being offered ?250=00pd including kit, and sometimes editing?.. >> >> That funny noise you hear is Lord Reith spinning in the catacombs >> >> >> Alasdair Lawrance >> alawrance1 at me.com >> >> >> >> >> >> On 26 Jan 2019, at 15:27, Paul Thackray via Tech1 > wrote: >> >> Its political meddling, with governments forcing the BBC to 'put things out to tender' and people 'at the top of the BBC ' trying to please those who set the licence fee (They never will!). >> Livewire is run by Guy Freeman (Who was a Camera Man at TVC) an Agent and backed by Hatrick. >> Guy has a strong LE background. (Dancing girls on the Proms?) >> Paul >> On 26/01/2019 14:25, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: >>> Does this mean that ?The Sound Alliance? which always did a superb job with the balance, >>> are not involved? Or maybe will be re-engaged by Livewire at (hopefully) vastly increased rates! >>> >>> I really believe that our Alma Mater ? the splendid B Beeb C is behaving like a headless chicken. >>> >>> Someone once remarked that if the Corporation didn?t have to produce programmes, it would run >>> on oiled wheels! >>> >>> I believe that it all goes back to what was called ? Producers? Choice? whereby directors could take productions >>> out of TVC to other companies. I blame the bean counting accountants, who removed the technical facilities >>> cost from the programme budgets, or rather, made it chargeable. >>> >>> When I left ( to get into the Film Industry) in 1968, some five years later I paid a visit to meet up with some old >>> colleagues, and over a cuppa in LG canteen, one said that he wished he had followed my example and got out >>> too. At that time, he thought that Tech Ops was a very unhappy place. >>> It?s all down to money, sadly. I finished on a Bond film, picked up another movie ? with the same caterer, but the food was awful, compared to Bond. When I asked the caterer why the difference, the reply was: ?Budget, dear boy, budget!? >>> Pat >>> >>> >>> Sent from Mail for Windows 10 >>> >>> From: Ian H via Tech1 >>> Sent: 26 January 2019 12:32 >>> To: Tech-OpsMailing List >>> Subject: [Tech1] BBC Studios loses 'The Proms' >>> >>> BBC Proms TV coverage to be produced by Livewire >>> https://www.irishnews.com/magazine/entertainment/2019/01/25/news/tv-coverage-of-bbc-proms-to-be-produced-by-independent-company-for-first-time-1536322/ >>> https://inews.co.uk/culture/bbc-proms-to-get-innovative-ideas-under-new-tv-production-team/ >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Virus-free. www.avast.com >>> >>> >> -- >> Paul Thackray >> PGT Media Consulting Ltd. >> +44 7802 243979 >> Mail; paul at pgtmedia.co.uk >> Web; http://www.pgtmedia.co.uk >> Linkedin; http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/paul-thackray/19/379/746 >> IMDB; http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1488554/ >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Just brilliant! > The other video is, shall we say, 'flamboyant'! > > John H. > > > > On 27/01/2019 11:06, William Nuttall via Tech1 wrote: >> The two Music Videos after John H's Video are also interesting! >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvUU8joBb1Q&index=2&list=RDIvUU8joBb1Q >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bAdqazixuRY&list=RDIvUU8joBb1Q&index=3 >> >> Tony N ( In the Wilds of Cumbria) >> >> Begin forwarded message: >> >>> From: John Howell via Tech1 >>> Date: January 26, 2019 5:36:49 PM >>> To: TechOps Forum >>> Subject: [Tech1] Interlude >>> >>> As things are quiet at the moment how about a bit of music HERE >>> >>> John H. >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From relong at btinternet.com Sun Jan 27 16:33:52 2019 From: relong at btinternet.com (Roger E Long) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2019 22:33:52 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] BBC Studios loses 'The Proms' In-Reply-To: <001201d4b66b$dd033d80$9709b880$@gmail.com> References: <5c4c6dce.1c69fb81.864eb.052d@mx.google.com> <689e7a06-8895-8092-9b0e-d827943b6d85@pgtmedia.co.uk> <6ED96C0C-D6B9-4036-A694-6EA34C1D1E86@btinternet.com> <001201d4b66b$dd033d80$9709b880$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <78B3B569-8A50-4F8F-A93E-620BB64A8B08@btinternet.com> Ofcom would say Question Time is balanced Dave. Balanced in a Political sense. However Brexit is a cross party issue and thus impossible to equate politically. We need spokespersons from each side, not Parties. Our Political impasse is self created by our representatives. It results from MPs failing to accept the logic of their previous decisions. Roger > On 27 Jan 2019, at 18:12, David Denness wrote: > > Looks like the BBC must be doing something right to get two such diametrically opposing opinions > > From: Tech1 On Behalf Of Roger E Long via Tech1 > Sent: 27 January 2019 17:58 > To: Alasdair Lawrance > Cc: Tech Ops List > Subject: Re: [Tech1] BBC Studios loses 'The Proms' > > Dear Alasdair > > You obviously get a different feed of BBC than the one we endure > Our R4 Today programme has hardly ever had a balanced report on Leave and very few of its spokespeople ever get to air since the Referendum > BBC 1 Question Time has never had a Leave majority on the panel ,it mostly 4:1 Remainers > World at One and PM are remainiac temples of Wisdom and Newsnight just a version of Guardian speak and abject despair.. > Even World Service is blatently remoaner.. > We haven?t got a Right Wing Government, compared with Europe our system is devoid of the Right Wing, first past the post defeats even UKIP let alone BNP etc etc > > As for the Producers Choice that disaster was promulgated by Lord Birt , Tony Blairs blue sky thinker > Its collapse as a World authority beckons, as does the fate of CNN, also mired in lack of balance > When you look at the long form, non commentary docs on Netflix, you realise the BBC is living in delusion state broadcaster past, dependant on a broadcasting receiving licence, more suited to 1920 s Britain than subscription Digital platforms. > Lord Reith has been spinning since Jimmy Saville's caravan was parked in TVC carpark > > Roger > > >> On 27 Jan 2019, at 14:54, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 > wrote: >> >> ?Producer?s Choice was just the symptom of the disease, the disease being that these right wing governments can?t stand anything regarded as a public service. They?ve asset stripped and privatised everything possible - power, transport, water, roads, health in the name of (illusory) efficiency from the private sector. >> >> You only have to consider Carillion, Armed Services Recruitment, the Probation Service, Universal Credit to see the way it goes. >> >> The BBC is now terrified of upsetting its paymasters, so we get the quite disgraceful bias against Remain, and a constant diet of the odious Rees-Mogg, the Weatherspoons oik and ?Sir? James Dyson. >> >> In the meantime, instead of saving money by outsourcing stuff, someone called Ken McQuarrie, ?Director of Nations and Regions?, (whatever that may be), gets a 30% payrise to ?325,000 last year, and freelance camera operators are being offered ?250=00pd including kit, and sometimes editing?.. >> >> That funny noise you hear is Lord Reith spinning in the catacombs >> >> >> Alasdair Lawrance >> alawrance1 at me.com >> >> >> >> >> >> On 26 Jan 2019, at 15:27, Paul Thackray via Tech1 > wrote: >> >> Its political meddling, with governments forcing the BBC to 'put things out to tender' and people 'at the top of the BBC ' trying to please those who set the licence fee (They never will!). >> Livewire is run by Guy Freeman (Who was a Camera Man at TVC) an Agent and backed by Hatrick. >> Guy has a strong LE background. (Dancing girls on the Proms?) >> Paul >> On 26/01/2019 14:25, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: >>> Does this mean that ?The Sound Alliance? which always did a superb job with the balance, >>> are not involved? Or maybe will be re-engaged by Livewire at (hopefully) vastly increased rates! >>> >>> I really believe that our Alma Mater ? the splendid B Beeb C is behaving like a headless chicken. >>> >>> Someone once remarked that if the Corporation didn?t have to produce programmes, it would run >>> on oiled wheels! >>> >>> I believe that it all goes back to what was called ? Producers? Choice? whereby directors could take productions >>> out of TVC to other companies. I blame the bean counting accountants, who removed the technical facilities >>> cost from the programme budgets, or rather, made it chargeable. >>> >>> When I left ( to get into the Film Industry) in 1968, some five years later I paid a visit to meet up with some old >>> colleagues, and over a cuppa in LG canteen, one said that he wished he had followed my example and got out >>> too. At that time, he thought that Tech Ops was a very unhappy place. >>> It?s all down to money, sadly. I finished on a Bond film, picked up another movie ? with the same caterer, but the food was awful, compared to Bond. When I asked the caterer why the difference, the reply was: ?Budget, dear boy, budget!? >>> Pat >>> >>> >>> Sent from Mail for Windows 10 >>> >>> From: Ian H via Tech1 >>> Sent: 26 January 2019 12:32 >>> To: Tech-OpsMailing List >>> Subject: [Tech1] BBC Studios loses 'The Proms' >>> >>> BBC Proms TV coverage to be produced by Livewire >>> https://www.irishnews.com/magazine/entertainment/2019/01/25/news/tv-coverage-of-bbc-proms-to-be-produced-by-independent-company-for-first-time-1536322/ >>> https://inews.co.uk/culture/bbc-proms-to-get-innovative-ideas-under-new-tv-production-team/ >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Virus-free. www.avast.com >>> >>> >> -- >> Paul Thackray >> PGT Media Consulting Ltd. >> +44 7802 243979 >> Mail; paul at pgtmedia.co.uk >> Web; http://www.pgtmedia.co.uk >> Linkedin; http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/paul-thackray/19/379/746 >> IMDB; http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1488554/ >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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He said ?Wow!? > > Mike G > >> On 27 Jan 2019, at 11:30, John Howell via Tech1 > > wrote: >> >> >> Hi Tony, >> >> The Marble Machine is real, its physical limitations are clearly evident >> >> as are the microphones! Just brilliant! >> >> The other video is, shall we say, 'flamboyant'! >> >> John H. >> >> >> >> On 27/01/2019 11:06, William Nuttall via Tech1 wrote: >>> The two Music Videos after John?H's Video are also interesting! >>> >>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvUU8joBb1Q&index=2&list=RDIvUU8joBb1Q >>> >>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bAdqazixuRY&list=RDIvUU8joBb1Q&index=3 >>> >>> Tony N?( In the Wilds of Cumbria) >>> >>> Begin forwarded message: >>> >>>> *From: *John Howell via Tech1 >>>> *Date: *January 26, 2019 5:36:49 PM >>>> *To: *TechOps Forum >>>> *Subject: **[Tech1] Interlude* >>>> >>>> As things are quiet at the moment how about a bit of music HERE >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> John H. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Alasdair Lawrance Sent from my iPad2 > On 27 Jan 2019, at 22:33, Roger E Long wrote: > > Ofcom would say Question Time is balanced Dave. > Balanced in a Political sense. > However Brexit is a cross party issue and thus impossible to equate politically. > We need spokespersons from each side, not Parties. > > Our Political impasse is self created by our representatives. > It results from MPs failing to accept the logic of their previous decisions. > > Roger > >> On 27 Jan 2019, at 18:12, David Denness wrote: >> >> Looks like the BBC must be doing something right to get two such diametrically opposing opinions >> >> From: Tech1 On Behalf Of Roger E Long via Tech1 >> Sent: 27 January 2019 17:58 >> To: Alasdair Lawrance >> Cc: Tech Ops List >> Subject: Re: [Tech1] BBC Studios loses 'The Proms' >> >> Dear Alasdair >> >> You obviously get a different feed of BBC than the one we endure >> Our R4 Today programme has hardly ever had a balanced report on Leave and very few of its spokespeople ever get to air since the Referendum >> BBC 1 Question Time has never had a Leave majority on the panel ,it mostly 4:1 Remainers >> World at One and PM are remainiac temples of Wisdom and Newsnight just a version of Guardian speak and abject despair.. >> Even World Service is blatently remoaner.. >> We haven?t got a Right Wing Government, compared with Europe our system is devoid of the Right Wing, first past the post defeats even UKIP let alone BNP etc etc >> >> As for the Producers Choice that disaster was promulgated by Lord Birt , Tony Blairs blue sky thinker >> Its collapse as a World authority beckons, as does the fate of CNN, also mired in lack of balance >> When you look at the long form, non commentary docs on Netflix, you realise the BBC is living in delusion state broadcaster past, dependant on a broadcasting receiving licence, more suited to 1920 s Britain than subscription Digital platforms. >> Lord Reith has been spinning since Jimmy Saville's caravan was parked in TVC carpark >> >> Roger >> >> >>> On 27 Jan 2019, at 14:54, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 wrote: >>> >>> ?Producer?s Choice was just the symptom of the disease, the disease being that these right wing governments can?t stand anything regarded as a public service. They?ve asset stripped and privatised everything possible - power, transport, water, roads, health in the name of (illusory) efficiency from the private sector. >>> >>> You only have to consider Carillion, Armed Services Recruitment, the Probation Service, Universal Credit to see the way it goes. >>> >>> The BBC is now terrified of upsetting its paymasters, so we get the quite disgraceful bias against Remain, and a constant diet of the odious Rees-Mogg, the Weatherspoons oik and ?Sir? James Dyson. >>> >>> In the meantime, instead of saving money by outsourcing stuff, someone called Ken McQuarrie, ?Director of Nations and Regions?, (whatever that may be), gets a 30% payrise to ?325,000 last year, and freelance camera operators are being offered ?250=00pd including kit, and sometimes editing?.. >>> >>> That funny noise you hear is Lord Reith spinning in the catacombs >>> >>> >>> Alasdair Lawrance >>> alawrance1 at me.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On 26 Jan 2019, at 15:27, Paul Thackray via Tech1 wrote: >>> >>> Its political meddling, with governments forcing the BBC to 'put things out to tender' and people 'at the top of the BBC ' trying to please those who set the licence fee (They never will!). >>> Livewire is run by Guy Freeman (Who was a Camera Man at TVC) an Agent and backed by Hatrick. >>> Guy has a strong LE background. (Dancing girls on the Proms?) >>> Paul >>>> On 26/01/2019 14:25, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: >>>> Does this mean that ?The Sound Alliance? which always did a superb job with the balance, >>>> are not involved? Or maybe will be re-engaged by Livewire at (hopefully) vastly increased rates! >>>> >>>> I really believe that our Alma Mater ? the splendid B Beeb C is behaving like a headless chicken. >>>> >>>> Someone once remarked that if the Corporation didn?t have to produce programmes, it would run >>>> on oiled wheels! >>>> >>>> I believe that it all goes back to what was called ? Producers? Choice? whereby directors could take productions >>>> out of TVC to other companies. I blame the bean counting accountants, who removed the technical facilities >>>> cost from the programme budgets, or rather, made it chargeable. >>>> >>>> When I left ( to get into the Film Industry) in 1968, some five years later I paid a visit to meet up with some old >>>> colleagues, and over a cuppa in LG canteen, one said that he wished he had followed my example and got out >>>> too. At that time, he thought that Tech Ops was a very unhappy place. >>>> It?s all down to money, sadly. I finished on a Bond film, picked up another movie ? with the same caterer, but the food was awful, compared to Bond. When I asked the caterer why the difference, the reply was: ?Budget, dear boy, budget!? >>>> Pat >>>> >>>> >>>> Sent from Mail for Windows 10 >>>> >>>> From: Ian H via Tech1 >>>> Sent: 26 January 2019 12:32 >>>> To: Tech-OpsMailing List >>>> Subject: [Tech1] BBC Studios loses 'The Proms' >>>> >>>> BBC Proms TV coverage to be produced by Livewire >>>> https://www.irishnews.com/magazine/entertainment/2019/01/25/news/tv-coverage-of-bbc-proms-to-be-produced-by-independent-company-for-first-time-1536322/ >>>> https://inews.co.uk/culture/bbc-proms-to-get-innovative-ideas-under-new-tv-production-team/ >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Virus-free. www.avast.com >>>> >>>> >>> -- >>> Paul Thackray >>> PGT Media Consulting Ltd. >>> +44 7802 243979 >>> Mail; paul at pgtmedia.co.uk >>> Web; http://www.pgtmedia.co.uk >>> Linkedin; http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/paul-thackray/19/379/746 >>> IMDB; http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1488554/ >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>> >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Including usually selecting idiots to interview from the leave side. ;-) -- *The average person falls asleep in seven minutes * Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From ian.hillson at gmail.com Tue Jan 29 08:34:01 2019 From: ian.hillson at gmail.com (Ian H) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2019 14:34:01 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Bowie footage found Message-ID: First Ziggy Stardust TV performance: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/01/29/holy-grail-david-bowie-footage-found-first-ziggy-stardust-tv/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com Tue Jan 29 08:54:18 2019 From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2019 14:54:18 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] All Wood on North (and South, East and West!) Message-ID: <0370561a-d9ac-30b1-7e45-3db44bffb43f@gmail.com> Hi all, Do you recognise this? Thought not ... But here's a clue. The view from the classroom was nothing like this: Yes, this is good old Woodnorton Hall.?? Or, as it is now, The Wood Norton. My wife found a voucher for the Wood Norton in a Sunday newspaper, and took me on a surprise visit to the place this last weekend.? I must say that there was nothing about the place that rang any sort of bell!? The only thing I recognised was the mast on the top of the hill (and that has probably changed over the years). "Have you seen the Duc d'Orleans bathroom?" asked on of the reception ladies. "No!" I said, and so she took me up to the bathroom, which apparently had one of the first ever showers in Worcestershire.? I had been at Woodnorton on TO16 and never knew about this - and the Beeb had managed to conserve it! "It's a bit of a secret," said the receptionist. "Like the secret bunker," I said. "Yes," said the lady, "We try to talk to the BBC about the bunker, but they are very tight lipped about it." "About the secret nuclear bunker, " I said. So it's not a very secret secret bunker. Anyway, here is a view of the Wood Norton: Look on Groupon and you can go there for Afternoon Tea. There is wood everywhere.? The bumpf about the Wood Norton says that they have tried to preserve the original panelling and so on, but it was not like this is in our day - or was it?? Perhaps I just never noticed ... I did get a shock when we got a couple of drinks at the bar - two drinks and over ?12 spent.? But on the way home we stopped at Pizza Express and the Nastro Azzuro there was more expensive than that at the Wood Norton!?? Perhaps just the spirits, then. I had a bit of a wander round the grounds - found this but certainly did not recognise it, although it must have been there in the '60s: Anyone know anything about it? Anyway, for me it was a nice weekend away, but there was nothing - nothing - that evoked memories of my time there.? Even the roads around the place have changed and service areas have sprung up. Didn't even recognise anything in Evesham. 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I must say that there was nothing about the place that rang any sort of bell! The only thing I recognised was the mast on the top of the hill (and that has probably changed over the years). "Have you seen the Duc d'Orleans bathroom?" asked on of the reception ladies. "No!" I said, and so she took me up to the bathroom, which apparently had one of the first ever showers in Worcestershire. I had been at Woodnorton on TO16 and never knew about this - and the Beeb had managed to conserve it! "It's a bit of a secret," said the receptionist. "Like the secret bunker," I said. "Yes," said the lady, "We try to talk to the BBC about the bunker, but they are very tight lipped about it." "About the secret nuclear bunker, " I said. So it's not a very secret secret bunker. Anyway, here is a view of the Wood Norton: Look on Groupon and you can go there for Afternoon Tea. There is wood everywhere. The bumpf about the Wood Norton says that they have tried to preserve the original panelling and so on, but it was not like this is in our day - or was it? Perhaps I just never noticed ... I did get a shock when we got a couple of drinks at the bar - two drinks and over ?12 spent. But on the way home we stopped at Pizza Express and the Nastro Azzuro there was more expensive than that at the Wood Norton! Perhaps just the spirits, then. I had a bit of a wander round the grounds - found this but certainly did not recognise it, although it must have been there in the '60s: Anyone know anything about it? Anyway, for me it was a nice weekend away, but there was nothing - nothing - that evoked memories of my time there. Even the roads around the place have changed and service areas have sprung up. Didn't even recognise anything in Evesham. But my wife and I had a nice couple of days, mainly at Stratford! -- Best Regards Alec Alec Bray alec.bray.2 at gmail.com mob: 07789 561 346 home: 0118 981 7502 -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: fpdjnmjgnoadjnmi.png Type: image/png Size: 179466 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: gkdlhgfeiplclnpa.png Type: image/png Size: 447926 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: pobgpipdpajoaole.png Type: image/png Size: 451002 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Dave ---------- Forwarded message --------- From: Alec Bray via Tech1 Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2019, 14:55 Subject: [Tech1] All Wood on North (and South, East and West!) To: TechOps Forum Hi all, Do you recognise this? Thought not ... But here's a clue. The view from the classroom was nothing like this: Yes, this is good old Woodnorton Hall. Or, as it is now, The Wood Norton. My wife found a voucher for the Wood Norton in a Sunday newspaper, and took me on a surprise visit to the place this last weekend. I must say that there was nothing about the place that rang any sort of bell! The only thing I recognised was the mast on the top of the hill (and that has probably changed over the years). "Have you seen the Duc d'Orleans bathroom?" asked on of the reception ladies. "No!" I said, and so she took me up to the bathroom, which apparently had one of the first ever showers in Worcestershire. I had been at Woodnorton on TO16 and never knew about this - and the Beeb had managed to conserve it! "It's a bit of a secret," said the receptionist. "Like the secret bunker," I said. "Yes," said the lady, "We try to talk to the BBC about the bunker, but they are very tight lipped about it." "About the secret nuclear bunker, " I said. So it's not a very secret secret bunker. Anyway, here is a view of the Wood Norton: Look on Groupon and you can go there for Afternoon Tea. There is wood everywhere. The bumpf about the Wood Norton says that they have tried to preserve the original panelling and so on, but it was not like this is in our day - or was it? Perhaps I just never noticed ... I did get a shock when we got a couple of drinks at the bar - two drinks and over ?12 spent. But on the way home we stopped at Pizza Express and the Nastro Azzuro there was more expensive than that at the Wood Norton! Perhaps just the spirits, then. I had a bit of a wander round the grounds - found this but certainly did not recognise it, although it must have been there in the '60s: Anyone know anything about it? Anyway, for me it was a nice weekend away, but there was nothing - nothing - that evoked memories of my time there. Even the roads around the place have changed and service areas have sprung up. Didn't even recognise anything in Evesham. But my wife and I had a nice couple of days, mainly at Stratford! -- Best Regards Alec Alec Bray alec.bray.2 at gmail.com mob: 07789 561 346 home: 0118 981 7502 -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Graeme Wall > On 29 Jan 2019, at 15:13, Peter Neill via Tech1 wrote: > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8tUf1zYgPA > > For The Doctor in that shower > > Peter > > On 29 Jan, 2019, at 02:55 PM, Alec Bray via Tech1 wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> Do you recognise this? >> >> >> >> >> >> Thought not ... >> >> But here's a clue. >> >> >> >> The view from the classroom was nothing like this: >> >> >> >> >> >> Yes, this is good old Woodnorton Hall. Or, as it is now, The Wood Norton. >> >> My wife found a voucher for the Wood Norton in a Sunday newspaper, and took me on a surprise visit to the place this last weekend. I must say that there was nothing about the place that rang any sort of bell! The only thing I recognised was the mast on the top of the hill (and that has probably changed over the years). >> >> "Have you seen the Duc d'Orleans bathroom?" asked on of the reception ladies. >> >> "No!" I said, and so she took me up to the bathroom, which apparently had one of the first ever showers in Worcestershire. I had been at Woodnorton on TO16 and never knew about this - and the Beeb had managed to conserve it! >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> "It's a bit of a secret," said the receptionist. >> >> "Like the secret bunker," I said. >> >> "Yes," said the lady, "We try to talk to the BBC about the bunker, but they are very tight lipped about it." >> >> "About the secret nuclear bunker, " I said. >> >> So it's not a very secret secret bunker. >> >> Anyway, here is a view of the Wood Norton: >> >> >> >> >> >> Look on Groupon and you can go there for Afternoon Tea. >> >> There is wood everywhere. The bumpf about the Wood Norton says that they have tried to preserve the original panelling and so on, but it was not like this is in our day - or was it? Perhaps I just never noticed ... >> >> >> >> >> >> I did get a shock when we got a couple of drinks at the bar - two drinks and over ?12 spent. But on the way home we stopped at Pizza Express and the Nastro Azzuro there was more expensive than that at the Wood Norton! Perhaps just the spirits, then. >> >> >> >> I had a bit of a wander round the grounds - found this but certainly did not recognise it, although it must have been there in the '60s: >> >> >> >> Anyone know anything about it? >> >> >> >> Anyway, for me it was a nice weekend away, but there was nothing - nothing - that evoked memories of my time there. Even the roads around the place have changed and service areas have sprung up. Didn't even recognise anything in Evesham. >> >> But my wife and I had a nice couple of days, mainly at Stratford! >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Best Regards >> >> Alec >> >> Alec Bray >> >> >> alec.bray.2 at gmail.com >> >> mob: 07789 561 346 >> home: 0118 981 7502 >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Tue Jan 29 15:56:36 2019 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2019 21:56:36 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Weather Message-ID: <60f2d376-b1f9-2b00-9e44-dc8c3ac232dd@btinternet.com> There is a weather warning for the UK about a low of -7?C. In the US, in Iowa, they are forecasting a low of -54?C. Guess where I would rather be! Cheers, Dave From graeme.wall at icloud.com Tue Jan 29 15:58:09 2019 From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2019 21:58:09 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Weather In-Reply-To: <60f2d376-b1f9-2b00-9e44-dc8c3ac232dd@btinternet.com> References: <60f2d376-b1f9-2b00-9e44-dc8c3ac232dd@btinternet.com> Message-ID: Australia? ? Graeme Wall > On 29 Jan 2019, at 21:56, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: > > There is a weather warning for the UK about a low of -7?C. In the US, in Iowa, they are forecasting a low of -54?C. Guess where I would rather be! Cheers, Dave > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Tue Jan 29 16:35:04 2019 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2019 22:35:04 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Weather In-Reply-To: References: <60f2d376-b1f9-2b00-9e44-dc8c3ac232dd@btinternet.com> Message-ID: Good guess! Although in the last few months Queensland have had floods, high temperatures, a plague of jellyfish, a typhoon nearby, so I'm not so sure now! Cheers, Dave From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Tue Jan 29 17:59:13 2019 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2019 23:59:13 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] All Wood on North (and South, East and West!) In-Reply-To: <0370561a-d9ac-30b1-7e45-3db44bffb43f@gmail.com> References: <0370561a-d9ac-30b1-7e45-3db44bffb43f@gmail.com> Message-ID: <06c8e116-d6d7-1d5d-0c37-29909391541d@btinternet.com> If you check my pictures, posted on Jan.31st. 2014, you will see the famous ladies bathroom. We met the new owner during our stay, just after the place had re-opened as a hotel, and I asked him if he was going to re-furbish it. he told me that the pipework below he floor was very bad but they might have a go later. The wood panelling looks different as all of the course photos have been removed and nail holes filled in! Class room 1 is now the up-market bar and the various offices have become side-rooms to the bar. We stayed in the newly renvoated Pear Tree cottage area. One of the famous green huts was still visible and beyond the boundary fence, the canteen and the Phoenix were still in use by the BBC Academy. Cheers, Dave From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com Wed Jan 30 03:42:25 2019 From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2019 09:42:25 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] All Wood on North (and South, East and West!) In-Reply-To: <06c8e116-d6d7-1d5d-0c37-29909391541d@btinternet.com> References: <0370561a-d9ac-30b1-7e45-3db44bffb43f@gmail.com> <06c8e116-d6d7-1d5d-0c37-29909391541d@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <583dab87-2a8c-3e1c-310f-33eef763e0c5@gmail.com> Hi all, On 29/01/2019 23:59, dave.mdv wrote: > If you check my pictures, posted on Jan.31st. 2014 available at: http://tech-ops.co.uk/next/2014/01/dave-mundys-trip-to-evesham/ Interesting that when Dave visited, it was known as the famous ladies' bathroom: on my visit it was called the "Duc d'Orleans" bathroom.? Upmarketing.? Whatever .. I never saw at when I was a trainee at Woodnorton! I don't think any renovation work has been done on the bathroom. I was told that the next thing that the management want to do is to refurbish the wooden floors throughout the hotel. -- Best Regards Alec Alec Bray alec.bray.2 at gmail.com mob: 07789 561 346 home: 0118 981 7502 From bernie833 at gmail.com Wed Jan 30 05:33:26 2019 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2019 11:33:26 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: Barry Bonner In-Reply-To: <30b9d920-ec2d-a32b-5366-27f0e7687d22@television-network.uk> References: <30b9d920-ec2d-a32b-5366-27f0e7687d22@television-network.uk> Message-ID: <24f8842c-9158-faf5-7ef8-a8c34213493c@gmail.com> Get well soon, Barry! -------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: Barry Bonner Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2019 11:12:58 +0000 From: Tim Kennington Organization: TVNET To: TVNET I had a call from Barry this morning. For those who are unaware, Barry was taken into Hillingdon hospital last Sunday with pneumonia. He is doing fine and now able to talk - hence the phone call. He hopes to be released over the weekend or early next week (if he survives the boredom ;-) ). We won't see him on this weeks walk, of course, but there is a distinct possibility for next week. -- Tim Kennington [LR9M] Khan, I'm laughing at the "superior intellect"! * Kirk https://www.lancaut.uk/Tim-Kennington.BB20006B.asc -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Doesn't? say if it is stereo or even surround sound. And why do some mics monitor in stereo and other only in mono? Note the men?s one RECORDS snoring ? presumably for proof at a later stage and womens only monitors ?noise?? Mike From: Ian H via Tech1 Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2019 1:14 PM To: Tech-OpsMailing List Subject: [Tech1] Zzzzz I've seen it all now - ear defender pillows! https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/high-tech-pillow-cancels-out-snoring-w3z52788c A cheaper version: https://www.standard.co.uk/shopping/esbest/home-garden/bedroom/antisnore-pillow-silentnight-pillow-asda-a4035611.html -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: snore.png Type: image/png Size: 205239 bytes Desc: not available URL: From dave at davesound.co.uk Wed Jan 30 08:17:11 2019 From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2019 14:17:11 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: Barry Bonner In-Reply-To: <24f8842c-9158-faf5-7ef8-a8c34213493c@gmail.com> References: <30b9d920-ec2d-a32b-5366-27f0e7687d22@television-network.uk> <24f8842c-9158-faf5-7ef8-a8c34213493c@gmail.com> Message-ID: <577e82e87cdave@davesound.co.uk> Please pass on my best wishes too. In article <24f8842c-9158-faf5-7ef8-a8c34213493c at gmail.com>, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: > Get well soon, Barry! > -------- Forwarded Message -------- > Subject: Barry Bonner > Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2019 11:12:58 +0000 > From: Tim Kennington > Organization: TVNET > To: TVNET > I had a call from Barry this morning. For those who are unaware, Barry > was taken into Hillingdon hospital last Sunday with pneumonia. He is > doing fine and now able to talk - hence the phone call. He hopes to be > released over the weekend or early next week (if he survives the boredom > ;-) ). We won't see him on this weeks walk, of course, but there is a > distinct possibility for next week. -- *Santa's helpers are subordinate clauses* Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net Wed Jan 30 09:37:28 2019 From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2019 15:37:28 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: Barry Bonner In-Reply-To: <577e82e87cdave@davesound.co.uk> References: <30b9d920-ec2d-a32b-5366-27f0e7687d22@television-network.uk><24f8842c-9158-faf5-7ef8-a8c34213493c@gmail.com> <577e82e87cdave@davesound.co.uk> Message-ID: I'd like to add mine to Dave Plowman's if possible. You can bet all who have known Barry are rooting for him. Speedy recovery mate. Dave Newbitt. -----Original Message----- From: Dave Plowman via Tech1 Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2019 2:17 PM To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Fwd: Barry Bonner Please pass on my best wishes too. In article <24f8842c-9158-faf5-7ef8-a8c34213493c at gmail.com>, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: > Get well soon, Barry! > -------- Forwarded Message -------- > Subject: Barry Bonner > Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2019 11:12:58 +0000 > From: Tim Kennington > Organization: TVNET > To: TVNET > I had a call from Barry this morning. For those who are unaware, Barry > was taken into Hillingdon hospital last Sunday with pneumonia. He is > doing fine and now able to talk - hence the phone call. He hopes to be > released over the weekend or early next week (if he survives the boredom > ;-) ). We won't see him on this weeks walk, of course, but there is a > distinct possibility for next week. -- *Santa's helpers are subordinate clauses* Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk Wed Jan 30 09:55:25 2019 From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2019 15:55:25 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Zzzzz In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <067a6694-fe39-1da6-591a-a3d984ce7e17@chriswoolf.co.uk> On 30/01/2019 13:54, Mike Jordan via Tech1 wrote: > .... > Doesn't? say if it is stereo or even surround sound. > And why do some mics monitor in stereo and other only in mono? > M'dear! Too many assumptions everywhere! ~They~ are assuming that the man is snoring because he is lying on his back. True, most snorers are worst when they sleep like this, but it isn't universally true. And you are assuming the paired mics are for stereo - they are not. This is classic noise cancellation. The paired mics sample the ambient noise close to the speakers (but crucially, with as little of their contribution as possible). The single mic records the noise to be cancelled, with as little contribution from anything else. The "computer" will delay the snore sound by the travel time to the next pillow, drop it in level, phase invert it, and probably EQ it too... and then play it back through the speakers as minus-ambient-sound-minus-snore. Bose and others have been doing this sort of thing for years, but in all honesty it only works if the snore mic is clean of any other sound, and the ambient mics are very, very close to the speakers, which in turn must be very close to the sufferer's ears. That's why noise cancelling headphones work very well, and noise cancelling car cabins is theoretically feasible but is not terribly effective. Chris Woolf --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bernie833 at gmail.com Wed Jan 30 15:07:03 2019 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2019 21:07:03 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Zzzzz In-Reply-To: <067a6694-fe39-1da6-591a-a3d984ce7e17@chriswoolf.co.uk> References: <067a6694-fe39-1da6-591a-a3d984ce7e17@chriswoolf.co.uk> Message-ID: <0543edaa-f3bc-2a1f-cde6-795c6c372073@gmail.com> It's good on aeroplanes though, for when you want to sleep. B On 30/01/2019 15:55, Chris Woolf via Tech1 wrote: > > > On 30/01/2019 13:54, Mike Jordan via Tech1 wrote: >> .... >> Doesn't? say if it is stereo or even surround sound. >> And why do some mics monitor in stereo and other only in mono? >> > M'dear! Too many assumptions everywhere! > > ~They~ are assuming that the man is snoring because he is lying on his > back. True, most snorers are worst when they sleep like this, but it > isn't universally true. > > And you are assuming the paired mics are for stereo - they are not. > > This is classic noise cancellation. The paired mics sample the ambient > noise close to the speakers (but crucially, with as little of their > contribution as possible). The single mic records the noise to be > cancelled, with as little contribution from anything else. The > "computer" will delay the snore sound by the travel time to the next > pillow, drop it in level, phase invert it, and probably EQ it too... > and then play it back through the speakers as > minus-ambient-sound-minus-snore. > > Bose and others have been doing this sort of thing for years, but in > all honesty it only works if the snore mic is clean of any other > sound, and the ambient mics are very, very close to the speakers, > which in turn must be very close to the sufferer's ears. That's why > noise cancelling headphones work very well, and noise cancelling car > cabins is theoretically feasible but is not terribly effective. > > > Chris Woolf > > > > Virus-free. www.avast.com > > > > <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bernie833 at gmail.com Wed Jan 30 15:09:36 2019 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2019 21:09:36 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Barry Message-ID: <10b1b669-76a5-ee51-b1b2-0e8632b1a906@gmail.com> The attached message has been automatically discarded. (Because Pat keeps sending from the wrong address) ForwardedMessage.eml Subject: RE: [Tech1] Fwd: Barry Bonner From: patheigham Date: 30/01/2019, 19:17 To: Bernard Newnham , "tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk" Her, hear! Hope your recovery is total ? think positive! Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 *From: *Bernard Newnham via Tech1 *Sent: *30 January 2019 11:33 *To: *tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk *Subject: *[Tech1] Fwd: Barry Bonner Get well soon, Barry! -------- Forwarded Message -------- *Subject: * Barry Bonner *Date: * Wed, 30 Jan 2019 11:12:58 +0000 *From: * Tim Kennington *Organization: * TVNET *To: * TVNET I had a call from Barry this morning. For those who are unaware, Barry was taken into Hillingdon hospital last Sunday with pneumonia. He is doing fine and now able to talk - hence the phone call. He hopes to be released over the weekend or early next week (if he survives the boredom ;-) ). We won't see him on this weeks walk, of course, but there is a distinct possibility for next week. -- Tim Kennington [LR9M] ??? Khan, I'm laughing at the "superior intellect"! * Kirk https://www.lancaut.uk/Tim-Kennington.BB20006B.asc Virus-fre -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: