From ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com Fri Feb 1 13:48:19 2019 From: ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com (Albert Barber) Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2019 19:48:19 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] BBC Pensioners' Association request Message-ID: <64679E25-2F0D-434E-B87A-53F10C55AD2D@btinternet.com> First,sorry if this is an imposition to the group. In previous years Ken used to record the proceedings for the AGM of the Pensioners Association but can?t do it this year. So I?m looking for a volunteer who could, just for this year, help out at this years AGM. This will take place starting at 2 pm on Tuesday 16th April at Friends House, 173Euston Road, London NW12BJ.Tel: 020 7663 1000. I know some of this group are already members and we have some funds to pay for the kit and travel. My home number with an answer machine if I?m out is : 0208 741 1871 Best wishes to all Albert Barber -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Sat Feb 2 16:57:21 2019 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2019 22:57:21 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Money saving tips Message-ID: <4d33aecc-bf5a-0b6b-35e9-09c1ffeb3f99@btinternet.com> It's about time we clever chaps spread some uesful tips on how to save a few pence to bolster our meagre pensions! If any of you use the Dettol battery operated liquid handwash at your sink you will have noticed that the re-fill costs twice as much for the same amount of soap as the hand operated version! Fear not! Just lever off the coloured top with a flat bladed screwdriver and reduce the size of the small lugs which connect the top to the base either by filing or snipping them off (as it is mounted vertically you don't really need them!) .Refill from the new plastic pouches and you have saved a fortune! Secondly, all you stamp collectors used to soak them off in warm water, with the new peel and stick ones it won't work. Just buy some iso-propyl alcohol from your friendly pharmacy and wet them with that for a few minutes and they will peel off - no problem! (I use a small spray provided with a CD cleaning kit). If you time it right you can put the stamp onto the next envelope and it will stick! Cheers, Dave the Miser. From mikej at bmanor.co.uk Sat Feb 2 22:38:20 2019 From: mikej at bmanor.co.uk (Mike Jordan) Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2019 04:38:20 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] Money saving tips In-Reply-To: <4d33aecc-bf5a-0b6b-35e9-09c1ffeb3f99@btinternet.com> References: <4d33aecc-bf5a-0b6b-35e9-09c1ffeb3f99@btinternet.com> Message-ID: I believe the stamp thing is a tried and tested scam amongst people far less responsible than Mr Mundy(moneyday?) who get lots like this (from waste bins?) and then hawk them in the streets. If the glue has failed, try Pritstic. I bet mdv would have removed the old fashioned cloth camera tape from wrapped cables and re-used that or the white plastic tape from off the sound desk edge having cleaned it with Colclene. Mike -----Original Message----- From: dave.mdv via Tech1 Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2019 10:57 PM To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: [Tech1] Money saving tips It's about time we clever chaps spread some uesful tips on how to save a few pence to bolster our meagre pensions! If any of you use the Dettol battery operated liquid handwash at your sink you will have noticed that the re-fill costs twice as much for the same amount of soap as the hand operated version! Fear not! Just lever off the coloured top with a flat bladed screwdriver and reduce the size of the small lugs which connect the top to the base either by filing or snipping them off (as it is mounted vertically you don't really need them!) .Refill from the new plastic pouches and you have saved a fortune! Secondly, all you stamp collectors used to soak them off in warm water, with the new peel and stick ones it won't work. Just buy some iso-propyl alcohol from your friendly pharmacy and wet them with that for a few minutes and they will peel off - no problem! (I use a small spray provided with a CD cleaning kit). If you time it right you can put the stamp onto the next envelope and it will stick! Cheers, Dave the Miser. -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From bernie833 at gmail.com Sun Feb 3 03:18:58 2019 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2019 09:18:58 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Money saving tips In-Reply-To: References: <4d33aecc-bf5a-0b6b-35e9-09c1ffeb3f99@btinternet.com> Message-ID: Free software - having written some myself I feel no guilt in using other people's freely offered software. Libreoffice - just as good as MS Office Da Vinci Resolve - quality editing software VLC - every home should have one FreeCAD - not generally my thing, but.... Blender - ditto There are lots more that I may use only once B On 03/02/2019 04:38, Mike Jordan via Tech1 wrote: > I believe the stamp thing is a tried and tested scam amongst people > far less responsible than Mr Mundy(moneyday?) > who get lots like this (from waste bins?) and then hawk them in the > streets. > If the glue has failed, try Pritstic. > I bet mdv would have removed the old fashioned cloth camera tape from > wrapped cables and re-used that > or the white plastic tape from off the sound desk edge having cleaned > it with Colclene. > > Mike > > -----Original Message----- From: dave.mdv via Tech1 > Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2019 10:57 PM > To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > Subject: [Tech1] Money saving tips > > It's about time we clever chaps spread some uesful tips on how to save a > few pence to bolster our meagre pensions! If any of you use the Dettol > battery operated liquid handwash at your sink you will have noticed that > the re-fill costs twice as much for the same amount of soap as the hand > operated version! Fear not! Just lever off the coloured top with a flat > bladed screwdriver and reduce the size of the small lugs which connect > the top to the base either by filing or snipping them off (as it is > mounted vertically you don't really need them!) .Refill from the new > plastic pouches and you have saved a fortune! Secondly, all you stamp > collectors used to soak them off in warm water, with the new peel and > stick ones it won't work. Just buy some iso-propyl alcohol from your > friendly pharmacy and wet them with that for a few minutes and they will > peel off - no problem! (I use a small spray provided with a CD cleaning > kit). If you time it right you can put the stamp onto the next envelope > and it will stick! Cheers, Dave the Miser. > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bernie833 at gmail.com Sun Feb 3 05:29:20 2019 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2019 11:29:20 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Money saving tips In-Reply-To: <110356E0-699F-4E09-A348-FE5839F46848@mac.com> References: <4d33aecc-bf5a-0b6b-35e9-09c1ffeb3f99@btinternet.com> <110356E0-699F-4E09-A348-FE5839F46848@mac.com> Message-ID: <96002d1d-c286-6ed2-a5d2-d21b75318124@gmail.com> Yes. I've been using it for a very long time, and have never bought MS Office. It has its own native format but will also save in anything you fancy. I've never had a problem interacting with those who've payed money, though I imagine that MS macros might not work - don't know. B On 03/02/2019 09:39, Mike Giles wrote: > Is Libreoffice compatible with MS Office, in terms of exchanging and > reworking documents, Bernie? > > Mike G > > On 3 Feb 2019, at 09:18, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 > > wrote: > >> Free software - having written some myself I feel no guilt in using >> other people's freely offered software. >> >> Libreoffice - just as good as MS Office >> Da Vinci Resolve - quality editing software >> VLC - every home should have one >> FreeCAD - not generally my thing, but.... >> Blender - ditto >> >> There are lots more that I may use only once >> >> B >> >> >> >> On 03/02/2019 04:38, Mike Jordan via Tech1 wrote: >>> I believe the stamp thing is a tried and tested scam amongst people >>> far less responsible than Mr Mundy(moneyday?) >>> who get lots like this (from waste bins?) and then hawk them in the >>> streets. >>> If the glue has failed, try Pritstic. >>> I bet mdv would have removed the old fashioned cloth camera tape >>> from wrapped cables and re-used that >>> or the white plastic tape from off the sound desk edge having >>> cleaned it with Colclene. >>> >>> Mike >>> >>> -----Original Message----- From: dave.mdv via Tech1 >>> Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2019 10:57 PM >>> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> Subject: [Tech1] Money saving tips >>> >>> It's about time we clever chaps spread some uesful tips on how to >>> save a >>> few pence to bolster our meagre pensions! If any of you use the Dettol >>> battery operated liquid handwash at your sink you will have noticed >>> that >>> the re-fill costs twice as much for the same amount of soap as the hand >>> operated version! Fear not! Just lever off the coloured top with a flat >>> bladed screwdriver and reduce the size of the small lugs which connect >>> the top to the base either by filing or snipping them off (as it is >>> mounted vertically you don't really need them!) .Refill from the new >>> plastic pouches and you have saved a fortune! Secondly, all you stamp >>> collectors used to soak them off in warm water, with the new peel and >>> stick ones it won't work. Just buy some iso-propyl alcohol from your >>> friendly pharmacy and wet them with that for a few minutes and they >>> will >>> peel off - no problem! (I use a small spray provided with a CD cleaning >>> kit). If you time it right you can put the stamp onto the next envelope >>> and it will stick! 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(As opposed to Java which you compile once and then run on the platform's Java engine) -- Best Regards Alec Alec Bray alec.bray.2 at gmail.com mob: 07789 561 346 home: 0118 981 7502 From teateatone2 at gmail.com Sun Feb 3 14:07:12 2019 From: teateatone2 at gmail.com (Tony Grant) Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2019 20:07:12 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Breakfast Time Christmas 1983 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Way back then I worked with Dave Batt on sound. Sadly I can't remember much about these shoots, although I can confirm that I definitely didn't do the Jan Leeming I/V, not sure about the Christmas idents. I could reveal the identity of the director sitting at the Grass Valley mixer in Pres, what do you mean, you know? Huh. TeaTeaFN - Tony On Sun, Feb 3, 2019 at 11:59 AM Bernard Newnham via Tech1 < tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote: > I put this on a Facebook group recently, but I wasn't the only one on this > list who worked on it. I remember Tony Grant, and Tim Healy I think. Sorry, > can't remember who was on sound. > > https://youtu.be/O6v6Yuvc30s > > B > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bernie833 at gmail.com Sun Feb 3 15:22:46 2019 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2019 21:22:46 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Breakfast Time Christmas 1983 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I seem to remember that we got part way through and you were called away to something more important, and i had to come back another day, I think with Tim. I don't know how important your other thing was, but Lino Ferrari liked our efforts enough to run this piece twice, in his peak slots. B On 03/02/2019 20:07, Tony Grant wrote: > Way back then I worked with Dave Batt on sound. Sadly I can't remember > much about these shoots, although I can confirm that I definitely > didn't do the Jan Leeming I/V, not sure about the Christmas idents. I > could reveal the identity of the director sitting at the Grass Valley > mixer in Pres, what do you mean, you know? Huh. > > TeaTeaFN - Tony > > On Sun, Feb 3, 2019 at 11:59 AM Bernard Newnham via Tech1 > > wrote: > > I put this on a Facebook group recently, but I wasn't the only one > on this list who worked on it. I remember Tony Grant, and Tim > Healy I think. Sorry, can't remember who was on sound. > > https://youtu.be/O6v6Yuvc30s > > B > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Cheers, Dave From ohbytheway.tv at gmail.com Mon Feb 4 02:23:26 2019 From: ohbytheway.tv at gmail.com (David Denness) Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2019 08:23:26 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] Superbowl In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000001d4bc62$e72a6840$b57f38c0$@gmail.com> You are making a few assumptions there Dave. Where they are is a very noisy environment so hand mics are more suitable, although headworn mics would be better still in my opinion. Also you are assuming production are prepared to pay for a well-trained sound crew. There are plenty of well-trained sound staff on the market both ex BBC, although becoming more rare, and others. I know because I was involved in training quite a few of them. Dave D David Denness 2 Cambridge Park Court Twickenham TW1 2JN 07836 371108 -----Original Message----- From: Tech1 On Behalf Of dave.mdv via Tech1 Sent: 03 February 2019 23:39 To: Bernard Newnham ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Superbowl Just looking at the studio panel photo it amazes me that ever since BBC OBs were sold off for a pittance their replacements have used hand mics for seated guests! This limits the punters to using one hand to shuffle all of their notes etc. when personal ECMs etc. would leave give them freedom. That is, of course, if you had a well trained sound crew to look after the studio! Even desk mics on stands would be better. Cheers, Dave -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From bernie833 at gmail.com Mon Feb 4 03:58:40 2019 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2019 09:58:40 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Superbowl In-Reply-To: <000001d4bc62$e72a6840$b57f38c0$@gmail.com> References: <000001d4bc62$e72a6840$b57f38c0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <3b3322b3-788d-f0a0-89ec-32b2d09a5b01@ntlworld.com> The Superbowl had real camera crew, so I expect they had proper sound crew too. Holding mics is just a fashion - if you've ever watched a French chat show they all hold mics, don't know why, it's just tiring. B On 04/02/2019 08:23, David Denness wrote: > You are making a few assumptions there Dave. > > Where they are is a very noisy environment so hand mics are more suitable, > although headworn mics would be better still in my opinion. > > Also you are assuming production are prepared to pay for a well-trained > sound crew. > > There are plenty of well-trained sound staff on the market both ex BBC, > although becoming more rare, and others. I know because I was involved in > training quite a few of them. > > Dave D > > David Denness > 2 Cambridge Park Court > Twickenham TW1 2JN > 07836 371108 > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tech1 On Behalf Of dave.mdv via Tech1 > Sent: 03 February 2019 23:39 > To: Bernard Newnham ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > Subject: Re: [Tech1] Superbowl > > Just looking at the studio panel photo it amazes me that ever since BBC OBs > were sold off for a pittance their replacements have used hand mics for > seated guests! This limits the punters to using one hand to shuffle all of > their notes etc. when personal ECMs etc. would leave give them freedom. That > is, of course, if you had a well trained sound crew to look after the > studio! Even desk mics on stands would be better. Cheers, Dave > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nick at nickway.co.uk Mon Feb 4 04:09:07 2019 From: nick at nickway.co.uk (Nick Way) Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2019 10:09:07 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Tech1] [SPAM?] Re: Superbowl In-Reply-To: <3b3322b3-788d-f0a0-89ec-32b2d09a5b01@ntlworld.com> References: <000001d4bc62$e72a6840$b57f38c0$@gmail.com> <3b3322b3-788d-f0a0-89ec-32b2d09a5b01@ntlworld.com> Message-ID: <296626274.357398.1549274947542@email.ionos.co.uk> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bernie833 at gmail.com Mon Feb 4 04:44:35 2019 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2019 10:44:35 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] [SPAM?] Re: Superbowl In-Reply-To: <296626274.357398.1549274947542@email.ionos.co.uk> References: <000001d4bc62$e72a6840$b57f38c0$@gmail.com> <3b3322b3-788d-f0a0-89ec-32b2d09a5b01@ntlworld.com> <296626274.357398.1549274947542@email.ionos.co.uk> Message-ID: <81d35b01-616b-a496-68eb-8391bcc041c2@gmail.com> And you get to have the company logo on display On 04/02/2019 10:09, Nick Way wrote: > > > ....I'm told, the French use Stick mics as it means they have to keep > at least one hand steady when gesticulating as they talk! > > Nick Way > >> On 04 February 2019 at 09:58 Bernard Newnham via Tech1 >> wrote: >> >> The Superbowl had real camera crew, so I expect they had proper sound >> crew too. Holding mics is just a fashion - if you've ever watched a >> French chat show they all hold mics, don't know why, it's just tiring. >> >> B >> >> >> >> On 04/02/2019 08:23, David Denness wrote: >>> You are making a few assumptions there Dave. >>> >>> Where they are is a very noisy environment so hand mics are more suitable, >>> although headworn mics would be better still in my opinion. >>> >>> Also you are assuming production are prepared to pay for a well-trained >>> sound crew. >>> >>> There are plenty of well-trained sound staff on the market both ex BBC, >>> although becoming more rare, and others. I know because I was involved in >>> training quite a few of them. >>> >>> Dave D >>> >>> David Denness >>> 2 Cambridge Park Court >>> Twickenham TW1 2JN >>> 07836 371108 >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Tech1 On Behalf Of dave.mdv via Tech1 >>> Sent: 03 February 2019 23:39 >>> To: Bernard Newnham ;tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Superbowl >>> >>> Just looking at the studio panel photo it amazes me that ever since BBC OBs >>> were sold off for a pittance their replacements have used hand mics for >>> seated guests! This limits the punters to using one hand to shuffle all of >>> their notes etc. when personal ECMs etc. would leave give them freedom. That >>> is, of course, if you had a well trained sound crew to look after the >>> studio! Even desk mics on stands would be better. Cheers, Dave >>> >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>> >>> >> > >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Geoff F On Mon, 4 Feb 2019 at 10:45, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: > And you get to have the company logo on display > > > > On 04/02/2019 10:09, Nick Way wrote: > > > ....I'm told, the French use Stick mics as it means they have to keep at > least one hand steady when gesticulating as they talk! > > Nick Way > > On 04 February 2019 at 09:58 Bernard Newnham via Tech1 > wrote: > > The Superbowl had real camera crew, so I expect they had proper sound crew > too. Holding mics is just a fashion - if you've ever watched a French chat > show they all hold mics, don't know why, it's just tiring. > > B > > > > On 04/02/2019 08:23, David Denness wrote: > > You are making a few assumptions there Dave. > > Where they are is a very noisy environment so hand mics are more suitable, > although headworn mics would be better still in my opinion. > > Also you are assuming production are prepared to pay for a well-trained > sound crew. > > There are plenty of well-trained sound staff on the market both ex BBC, > although becoming more rare, and others. I know because I was involved in > training quite a few of them. > > Dave D > > David Denness > 2 Cambridge Park Court > Twickenham TW1 2JN > 07836 371108 > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tech1 On Behalf Of dave.mdv via Tech1 > Sent: 03 February 2019 23:39 > To: Bernard Newnham ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > Subject: Re: [Tech1] Superbowl > > Just looking at the studio panel photo it amazes me that ever since BBC OBs > were sold off for a pittance their replacements have used hand mics for > seated guests! This limits the punters to using one hand to shuffle all of > their notes etc. when personal ECMs etc. would leave give them freedom. That > is, of course, if you had a well trained sound crew to look after the > studio! Even desk mics on stands would be better. Cheers, Dave > > -- > Tech1 mailing listTech1 at tech-ops.co.ukhttp://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > > > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > > > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: ihnlfalmfejbdlho.png Type: image/png Size: 618962 bytes Desc: not available URL: From ian.hillson at gmail.com Mon Feb 4 07:37:20 2019 From: ian.hillson at gmail.com (Ian H) Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2019 13:37:20 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Superbowl In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: *"Come on @BBCSport don?t show us the on-field action at the Super bowl. Show some footage of grotesquely overweight spectators with baseball caps eating massive burgers. No-one cares about the game."* (Henning Wehn on Twitter) https://twitter.com/henningwehn/status/1092205654931050496 On Sun, Feb 3, 2019 at 9:47 PM Bernard Newnham via Tech1 < tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote: > I have no interest in the Superbowl, but I've just been reading a webpage > - > https://www.theverge.com/entertainment/2019/2/3/18194702/super-bowl-2019-how-to-watch-online-date-time-free-streaming-apple-tv-roku > that tells you all the ways you can watch for free. > > On a computer you go here - https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/superbowl/live/ > but what you get in the UK is > > > > With the Tor browser, and exit set to US, watching is no problem at > all....... > > I just missed grabbing the wider shot showing the human crew, with Vinten > peds. Picture and sound smooth and pin sharp. > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: gmldmlffoilalnjf.png Type: image/png Size: 1535690 bytes Desc: not available URL: From mibridge at mac.com Mon Feb 4 12:58:52 2019 From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles) Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2019 18:58:52 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] [SPAM?] Re: Superbowl In-Reply-To: <296626274.357398.1549274947542@email.ionos.co.uk> References: <000001d4bc62$e72a6840$b57f38c0$@gmail.com> <3b3322b3-788d-f0a0-89ec-32b2d09a5b01@ntlworld.com> <296626274.357398.1549274947542@email.ionos.co.uk> Message-ID: The particular advantage I?ve noticed with BBC Sports use of hand mics is that the quality is almost invariably better than inadequately tweaked personal mics or head -sets, especially when the presenter is wrapped up against the cold, with the attendant risk of personal mics disappearing beneath layers of scarves and pullovers! For the preview programme on the last winters, I commented to Johnny Bramley that Clare Balding?s oov?s sounded as though the mic was buried in cushions, or some such - not far from the truth as he said he was under a duvet with Clare in her hotel room, recording voice-overs on the camera, in an attempt to minimise the room acoustic! I think the room acoustic would have been preferable! Mike G > On 4 Feb 2019, at 10:09, Nick Way via Tech1 wrote: > > > ....I'm told, the French use Stick mics as it means they have to keep at least one hand steady when gesticulating as they talk! > > Nick Way > >> On 04 February 2019 at 09:58 Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: >> >> The Superbowl had real camera crew, so I expect they had proper sound crew too. Holding mics is just a fashion - if you've ever watched a French chat show they all hold mics, don't know why, it's just tiring. >> >> B >> >> >> >>> On 04/02/2019 08:23, David Denness wrote: >>> You are making a few assumptions there Dave. >>> >>> Where they are is a very noisy environment so hand mics are more suitable, >>> although headworn mics would be better still in my opinion. >>> >>> Also you are assuming production are prepared to pay for a well-trained >>> sound crew. >>> >>> There are plenty of well-trained sound staff on the market both ex BBC, >>> although becoming more rare, and others. I know because I was involved in >>> training quite a few of them. >>> >>> Dave D >>> >>> David Denness >>> 2 Cambridge Park Court >>> Twickenham TW1 2JN >>> 07836 371108 >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Tech1 On Behalf Of dave.mdv via Tech1 >>> Sent: 03 February 2019 23:39 >>> To: Bernard Newnham ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Superbowl >>> >>> Just looking at the studio panel photo it amazes me that ever since BBC OBs >>> were sold off for a pittance their replacements have used hand mics for >>> seated guests! This limits the punters to using one hand to shuffle all of >>> their notes etc. when personal ECMs etc. would leave give them freedom. That >>> is, of course, if you had a well trained sound crew to look after the >>> studio! Even desk mics on stands would be better. Cheers, Dave >>> >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>> >>> > > > >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From patheigham at amps.net Mon Feb 4 13:27:03 2019 From: patheigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2019 19:27:03 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] [SPAM?] Re: Superbowl In-Reply-To: References: <000001d4bc62$e72a6840$b57f38c0$@gmail.com> <3b3322b3-788d-f0a0-89ec-32b2d09a5b01@ntlworld.com> <296626274.357398.1549274947542@email.ionos.co.uk> Message-ID: <5c589207.1c69fb81.d08e8.1167@mx.google.com> I agree with Denness ? a lousy ambient noisy location requires close miking. Yes, headset (cheek) mikes would suffice. But who?s around on a ?sound crew? to fit them? (WOT crew?) Much easier for a floor manager to ?hand? out the handhelds! When working on documentaries on locations around anywhere, if there was a voiceover coming after a piece to camera, I tried to get the recording done in the same place, same mic, as the in-vision. Only worked if the text had been written! Usually not! But who the hell cares with the viewers anyway? They?ve got so used to crap pictures and sound...... Except...... Jamaica Inn The one with a police woman... I really feel that our brilliant BBC training has been tipped out with the bathwater. Pat (Glad I?m out of it , now!) Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Mike Giles via Tech1 Sent: 04 February 2019 18:59 Subject: Re: [Tech1] [SPAM?] Re: Superbowl The particular advantage I?ve noticed with BBC Sports use of hand mics is that the quality is almost invariably better than inadequately tweaked personal mics or head -sets, especially when the presenter is wrapped up against the cold, with the attendant risk of personal mics disappearing beneath layers of scarves and pullovers! ? For the preview programme on the last winters, I commented to Johnny Bramley that Clare Balding?s oov?s sounded as though the mic was buried in cushions, or some such - not far from the truth as he said he was under a duvet with Clare in her hotel room, recording voice-overs on the camera, in an attempt to minimise the room acoustic! I think the room acoustic would have been preferable! Mike G --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From relong at btinternet.com Tue Feb 5 03:58:56 2019 From: relong at btinternet.com (Roger E Long) Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2019 09:58:56 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] [SPAM?] Re: Superbowl In-Reply-To: <296626274.357398.1549274947542@email.ionos.co.uk> References: <000001d4bc62$e72a6840$b57f38c0$@gmail.com> <3b3322b3-788d-f0a0-89ec-32b2d09a5b01@ntlworld.com> <296626274.357398.1549274947542@email.ionos.co.uk> Message-ID: <0BB22E04-189B-48E9-A25F-A409000894EF@btinternet.com> Ive seen French TV with glamorous Philosophers and hand held mics Presenters with 2 huge lapel mics either side News Reports with Pink Floyd running underneath, they are French that?s all you need to Know, its what they do. As for us its rather desperate I fear, in the Golden Age of tele presenters were given a STC omni and taught how to use it, splitting the balance properly However Pop technique now assumes the mic must inserted into the chin, or doing Vox pop the interviewer has a radio lapel and the Interviewee is miked (badly) with a hand held by the presenter Ridiculous sets on sports show are as noisy as hell from PA leakage, they can only be tamed by headword or hand mics Both look silly Surely the set could total CGI , well away from the action, easy to mic normally, that however is too sensible a solution, 'Keep it simple' an unknown to TV sport production types or Panorama (motto Panic and Drama) As for News and Current affairs, they are totally clueless with PTC and interviews, bring back the STC stick mic or wash that Rycote softy FFS Roger > On 4 Feb 2019, at 10:09, Nick Way via Tech1 wrote: > > > > ....I'm told, the French use Stick mics as it means they have to keep at least one hand steady when gesticulating as they talk! > > Nick Way > >> On 04 February 2019 at 09:58 Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: >> >> The Superbowl had real camera crew, so I expect they had proper sound crew too. Holding mics is just a fashion - if you've ever watched a French chat show they all hold mics, don't know why, it's just tiring. >> >> B >> >> >> >> On 04/02/2019 08:23, David Denness wrote: >>> You are making a few assumptions there Dave. >>> >>> Where they are is a very noisy environment so hand mics are more suitable, >>> although headworn mics would be better still in my opinion. >>> >>> Also you are assuming production are prepared to pay for a well-trained >>> sound crew. >>> >>> There are plenty of well-trained sound staff on the market both ex BBC, >>> although becoming more rare, and others. I know because I was involved in >>> training quite a few of them. >>> >>> Dave D >>> >>> David Denness >>> 2 Cambridge Park Court >>> Twickenham TW1 2JN >>> 07836 371108 >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Tech1 On Behalf Of dave.mdv via Tech1 >>> Sent: 03 February 2019 23:39 >>> To: Bernard Newnham ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Superbowl >>> >>> Just looking at the studio panel photo it amazes me that ever since BBC OBs >>> were sold off for a pittance their replacements have used hand mics for >>> seated guests! This limits the punters to using one hand to shuffle all of >>> their notes etc. when personal ECMs etc. would leave give them freedom. That >>> is, of course, if you had a well trained sound crew to look after the >>> studio! Even desk mics on stands would be better. Cheers, Dave >>> >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>> >>> >> > > > >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ohbytheway.tv at gmail.com Tue Feb 5 04:15:05 2019 From: ohbytheway.tv at gmail.com (David Denness) Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2019 10:15:05 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] [SPAM?] Re: Superbowl In-Reply-To: <0BB22E04-189B-48E9-A25F-A409000894EF@btinternet.com> References: <000001d4bc62$e72a6840$b57f38c0$@gmail.com> <3b3322b3-788d-f0a0-89ec-32b2d09a5b01@ntlworld.com> <296626274.357398.1549274947542@email.ionos.co.uk> <0BB22E04-189B-48E9-A25F-A409000894EF@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <002b01d4bd3b$ab05c830$01115890$@gmail.com> Too many times a cameraman goes out with the camera and a basic sound kit with no sound expertise, and all he cares about is not seeing a personal mic if that?s what is in use and a presenter who has not been told basic microphone technique with any stick mic, even a 4037 or these days RE50 And sometimes it?s not even a cameraman! Dave D From: Roger E Long Sent: 05 February 2019 09:59 To: Nick Way Cc: Bernard Newnham ; Bernard Newnham via Tech1 ; David Denness ; dave.mdv Subject: Re: [Tech1] [SPAM?] Re: Superbowl Ive seen French TV with glamorous Philosophers and hand held mics Presenters with 2 huge lapel mics either side News Reports with Pink Floyd running underneath, they are French that?s all you need to Know, its what they do. As for us its rather desperate I fear, in the Golden Age of tele presenters were given a STC omni and taught how to use it, splitting the balance properly However Pop technique now assumes the mic must inserted into the chin, or doing Vox pop the interviewer has a radio lapel and the Interviewee is miked (badly) with a hand held by the presenter Ridiculous sets on sports show are as noisy as hell from PA leakage, they can only be tamed by headword or hand mics Both look silly Surely the set could total CGI , well away from the action, easy to mic normally, that however is too sensible a solution, 'Keep it simple' an unknown to TV sport production types or Panorama (motto Panic and Drama) As for News and Current affairs, they are totally clueless with PTC and interviews, bring back the STC stick mic or wash that Rycote softy FFS Roger On 4 Feb 2019, at 10:09, Nick Way via Tech1 > wrote: ....I'm told, the French use Stick mics as it means they have to keep at least one hand steady when gesticulating as they talk! Nick Way On 04 February 2019 at 09:58 Bernard Newnham via Tech1 > wrote: The Superbowl had real camera crew, so I expect they had proper sound crew too. Holding mics is just a fashion - if you've ever watched a French chat show they all hold mics, don't know why, it's just tiring. B On 04/02/2019 08:23, David Denness wrote: You are making a few assumptions there Dave. Where they are is a very noisy environment so hand mics are more suitable, although headworn mics would be better still in my opinion. Also you are assuming production are prepared to pay for a well-trained sound crew. There are plenty of well-trained sound staff on the market both ex BBC, although becoming more rare, and others. I know because I was involved in training quite a few of them. Dave D David Denness 2 Cambridge Park Court Twickenham TW1 2JN 07836 371108 -----Original Message----- From: Tech1 On Behalf Of dave.mdv via Tech1 Sent: 03 February 2019 23:39 To: Bernard Newnham ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Superbowl Just looking at the studio panel photo it amazes me that ever since BBC OBs were sold off for a pittance their replacements have used hand mics for seated guests! This limits the punters to using one hand to shuffle all of their notes etc. when personal ECMs etc. would leave give them freedom. That is, of course, if you had a well trained sound crew to look after the studio! Even desk mics on stands would be better. Cheers, Dave -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From peter.neill at icloud.com Tue Feb 5 05:05:47 2019 From: peter.neill at icloud.com (Peter Neill) Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2019 11:05:47 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] [SPAM?] Re: Superbowl In-Reply-To: <0BB22E04-189B-48E9-A25F-A409000894EF@btinternet.com> References: <000001d4bc62$e72a6840$b57f38c0$@gmail.com> <3b3322b3-788d-f0a0-89ec-32b2d09a5b01@ntlworld.com> <296626274.357398.1549274947542@email.ionos.co.uk> <0BB22E04-189B-48E9-A25F-A409000894EF@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <71602C82-C06C-4A36-BCE5-713B9EE3FEB1@icloud.com> And there?s this. Also from France. Sent from my iPhone. Apologies for typos and autocorruptions. > On 5 Feb 2019, at 09:58, Roger E Long via Tech1 wrote: > > Ive seen French TV with glamorous Philosophers and hand held mics > Presenters with 2 huge lapel mics either side > News Reports with Pink Floyd running underneath, they are French that?s all you need to Know, its what they do. > > As for us its rather desperate I fear, in the Golden Age of tele presenters were given a STC omni and taught how to use it, splitting the balance properly > However Pop technique now assumes the mic must inserted into the chin, or doing Vox pop the interviewer has a radio lapel and the Interviewee is miked (badly) with a hand held by the presenter > Ridiculous sets on sports show are as noisy as hell from PA leakage, they can only be tamed by headword or hand mics > Both look silly > Surely the set could total CGI , well away from the action, easy to mic normally, that however is too sensible a solution, 'Keep it simple' an unknown to TV sport production types or Panorama (motto Panic and Drama) > As for News and Current affairs, they are totally clueless with PTC and interviews, bring back the STC stick mic or wash that Rycote softy FFS > Roger > >> On 4 Feb 2019, at 10:09, Nick Way via Tech1 wrote: >> >> >> >> ....I'm told, the French use Stick mics as it means they have to keep at least one hand steady when gesticulating as they talk! >> >> Nick Way >> >>> On 04 February 2019 at 09:58 Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: >>> >>> The Superbowl had real camera crew, so I expect they had proper sound crew too. Holding mics is just a fashion - if you've ever watched a French chat show they all hold mics, don't know why, it's just tiring. >>> >>> B >>> >>> >>> >>>> On 04/02/2019 08:23, David Denness wrote: >>>> You are making a few assumptions there Dave. >>>> >>>> Where they are is a very noisy environment so hand mics are more suitable, >>>> although headworn mics would be better still in my opinion. >>>> >>>> Also you are assuming production are prepared to pay for a well-trained >>>> sound crew. >>>> >>>> There are plenty of well-trained sound staff on the market both ex BBC, >>>> although becoming more rare, and others. I know because I was involved in >>>> training quite a few of them. >>>> >>>> Dave D >>>> >>>> David Denness >>>> 2 Cambridge Park Court >>>> Twickenham TW1 2JN >>>> 07836 371108 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Tech1 On Behalf Of dave.mdv via Tech1 >>>> Sent: 03 February 2019 23:39 >>>> To: Bernard Newnham ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Superbowl >>>> >>>> Just looking at the studio panel photo it amazes me that ever since BBC OBs >>>> were sold off for a pittance their replacements have used hand mics for >>>> seated guests! This limits the punters to using one hand to shuffle all of >>>> their notes etc. when personal ECMs etc. would leave give them freedom. That >>>> is, of course, if you had a well trained sound crew to look after the >>>> studio! Even desk mics on stands would be better. Cheers, Dave >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>>> >>>> >>> >> >> >> >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> >> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Turned out the little bit of wire inside between the actual mic capsule PCB and the XLR was so short that if the mic was tilted backwards on the stand, it sheared. ? Cheap? That was the year after I got a similar panic call as the school had bought an LED light string to go around the set. Unfortunately it was too long so left the remains on the cardboard/ply drum which caught fire as it got hot and melted the plastic oval casing. I went to look and searched for the transformer but then found there was LIVE MAINS on 2 wires within the casing along the WHOLE length and so were now exposed! The LEDs were on flexible strips and were effectively transformer connected in batches of about 36 to those two live mains supplies ? dangerous or what. Cut off the burnt bit, applied lots of gaffa tape to exposed ends and mended properly later. How ever did this get approved? Mike From: Peter Neill via Tech1 Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2019 11:05 AM To: Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] [SPAM?] Re: Superbowl And there?s this. Also from France. Sent from my iPhone. Apologies for typos and autocorruptions. On 5 Feb 2019, at 09:58, Roger E Long via Tech1 wrote: -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From patheigham at amps.net Tue Feb 5 08:11:30 2019 From: patheigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2019 14:11:30 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Superbowl or dangerous practice In-Reply-To: <81B90E022A4B4CE781220AA9817A88BA@Gigabyte> References: <000001d4bc62$e72a6840$b57f38c0$@gmail.com><3b3322b3-788d-f0a0-89ec-32b2d09a5b01@ntlworld.com><296626274.357398.1549274947542@email.ionos.co.uk><0BB22E04-189B-48E9-A25F-A409000894EF@btinternet.com> <71602C82-C06C-4A36-BCE5-713B9EE3FEB1@icloud.com> <81B90E022A4B4CE781220AA9817A88BA@Gigabyte> Message-ID: <5c599991.1c69fb81.9776f.3da3@mx.google.com> I?m reminded of an incident whilst filming ?Fiddler on the Roof? in the then Yugoslavia: The nickname of 'sparks' has been around for years, presumably because messing around with electricity can cause just that. I witnessed a very exciting example while on location for "Fiddler". The cameras were powered from 2x12v batteries running a rotary converter to produce 240v 3-phase. Sync for the 50Hz Nagra recorders taken from the same source. We had 6 batteries - four in the truck, two operative, two standby and two back on charge at the hotel base. Our own Tim Blackham, (ex-BBC, as I was), was our Sound Maintenance (real title in those days) and reckoned that when the sparks had the genny running, he could float charge the batts we had on location, so he built a charger from scratch to trickle the batteries in the sound truck, whenever the genny was in use. The electricians thought this a great idea, as they were also using 12v car batteries for some low-volt lights which weren't being cable fed - so they coupled up 20 12v batteries in series in the back of one of their lorries and were happily charging. Unfortunately, they had not done what Tim had - built in several diodes to prevent the current from flowing the reverse way. Thus when the genny was killed and beginning to run down, without the charging batteries being disconnected first, these batteries attempted to run the genny! The shower of fireworks as all 20 batteries simultaneously rapidly discharged at max. current was a sight to behold - I thought Tim would expire with howls of laughter! Pat (Bernie ? sorry if this gets rejected ? I?m about to change the name of my sending address to incorporate the ?dot? ? except I don?t know how to do this, and need to consult my guru who runs the AMPS system. He says that the g-mail platform doesn?t worry whether there is a dot or not, and passes both. The Tech-ops server seems more pernickety!) Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Mike Jordan via Tech1 Sent: 05 February 2019 11:58 To: Peter Neill; Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] [SPAM?] Re: Superbowl Unfortunately it was too long so left the remains on the cardboard/ply drum which caught fire as it got hot and melted the plastic oval casing. I went to look and searched for the transformer but then found there was LIVE MAINS on 2 wires within the casing along the WHOLE length and so were now exposed! The LEDs were on flexible strips and were effectively transformer connected in batches of about 36 to those two live mains supplies ? dangerous or what. ? Mike ? ? --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From teateatone2 at gmail.com Tue Feb 5 08:21:29 2019 From: teateatone2 at gmail.com (Tony Grant) Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2019 14:21:29 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Breakfast Time Christmas 1983 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: That would explain my memory gap (perhaps). I also forgot to say that Tim's Sound Rec was the other TG, Tony Glossop. TeaTeaFN - Tony On Sun, Feb 3, 2019 at 9:22 PM Bernard Newnham wrote: > I seem to remember that we got part way through and you were called away > to something more important, and i had to come back another day, I think > with Tim. I don't know how important your other thing was, but Lino > Ferrari liked our efforts enough to run this piece twice, in his peak slots. > > B > > > On 03/02/2019 20:07, Tony Grant wrote: > > Way back then I worked with Dave Batt on sound. Sadly I can't remember > much about these shoots, although I can confirm that I definitely didn't do > the Jan Leeming I/V, not sure about the Christmas idents. I could reveal > the identity of the director sitting at the Grass Valley mixer in Pres, > what do you mean, you know? Huh. > > TeaTeaFN - Tony > > On Sun, Feb 3, 2019 at 11:59 AM Bernard Newnham via Tech1 < > tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote: > >> I put this on a Facebook group recently, but I wasn't the only one on >> this list who worked on it. I remember Tony Grant, and Tim Healy I think. >> Sorry, can't remember who was on sound. >> >> https://youtu.be/O6v6Yuvc30s >> >> B >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bernie833 at gmail.com Tue Feb 5 11:31:39 2019 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2019 17:31:39 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Maybe First Cars? In-Reply-To: <5c49aed5.1c69fb81.17234.9bb6@mx.google.com> References: <0DF6616C-3035-46B3-B931-97DE29A42FF3@btinternet.com> <35278DBB50EA46AEA8667834BB69E86F@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> <5c48ac21.1c69fb81.4fb13.0b6c@mx.google.com> <246220c3-6e51-3cd2-f2ed-485db48a66b6@btinternet.com> <5c49aed5.1c69fb81.17234.9bb6@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <3a81d79a-83ac-624d-fb33-3b021222f140@gmail.com> I realise that this is somewhat out of date subject-wise, but I just found these in an envelope stashed "down the back of...". A Herald 12/50. This was actually my second car, the first being an Isetta bubble car My mark 3 Spitfire, much later. On the new gov.uk MOT check page, it was first registered 1/11/1976 and passed the MOT on 8/12/2008, with 19108 miles on the clock, which is very odd, as I sold it with 70,000 or more.? It must have been going round again. And my first ever car that was actually reliable and rust free, a new Fiat Uno, first registered 30/11/85 to me. No MOT info, so presumably long gone. 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Vist Royal Brompton Hospital to get breathing machine annual service, 3. visit Business Travel Show for more freebies and red wine(!), 4. go to see new great-grandson combining it with my son's birthday on the 22nd. That's every Wednesday booked, pub on Thursdays as usual, so what could go wrong? Answer, a death in the family! I mentioned that my son's father-in-law was seriously ill in hospital, he passed away last Sunday. The whole family on that side are in shock, so I have moved the car service to tomorrow together with the trip to hospital. No idea about the funeral yet but my son is due to fly to Florida on business in early March and would like it all sorted before he goes. Life is never straightforward is it? Cheers, Dave From waresound at msn.com Tue Feb 5 17:33:57 2019 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2019 23:33:57 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] February In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Delegate, Dave. I?ll volunteer for the freebies and red wine, and maybe a couple of Thursdays. Nick ? Sent from my iPad On 5 Feb 2019, at 22:07, dave.mdv via Tech1 > wrote: So, there am I thinking that I have got this month nicely organised! Things to do - 1. Car service and MOT, 2. Vist Royal Brompton Hospital to get breathing machine annual service, 3. visit Business Travel Show for more freebies and red wine(!), 4. go to see new great-grandson combining it with my son's birthday on the 22nd. That's every Wednesday booked, pub on Thursdays as usual, so what could go wrong? Answer, a death in the family! I mentioned that my son's father-in-law was seriously ill in hospital, he passed away last Sunday. The whole family on that side are in shock, so I have moved the car service to tomorrow together with the trip to hospital. No idea about the funeral yet but my son is due to fly to Florida on business in early March and would like it all sorted before he goes. Life is never straightforward is it? 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Vist Royal Brompton >> Hospital to get breathing machine annual service, 3. visit Business >> Travel Show for more freebies and red wine(!), 4. go to see new >> great-grandson combining it with my son's birthday on the 22nd. >> That's every Wednesday booked, pub on Thursdays as usual, so what >> could go wrong? Answer, a death in the family! I mentioned that my >> son's father-in-law was seriously ill in hospital, he passed away >> last Sunday. The whole family on that side are in shock, so I have >> moved the car service to tomorrow together with the trip to hospital. >> No idea about the funeral yet but my son is due to fly to Florida on >> business in early March and would like it all sorted before he goes. >> Life is never straightforward is it? Cheers, Dave >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Cheers, Dave From teateatone2 at gmail.com Wed Feb 6 04:40:48 2019 From: teateatone2 at gmail.com (Tony Grant) Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2019 10:40:48 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] February Wales Disorganised Message-ID: Since you mob started the idea, I thought I'd pass on the details of my next one here in the salubrious surroundings of the local vineyard. I'm sure we can squeeze in any visitors from across the border! *Weather permitting, I shall be at Pant Du for lunch on Monday 18th February after playing table tennis, and I hope to be there any time after 1230.* *I have reserved a table for 12, but if all the usual odd-balls, free-loaders and ne?er-do-wells turn up, I?m sure Pant Du can find room for us. Details of the venue, directions, etc.:* www.pantdu.co.uk TeaTeaFN - Tony -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I'm sure we can squeeze in any visitors from across the border! >> >> Weather permitting, I shall be at Pant Du for lunch on Monday 18th February after playing table tennis, and I hope to be there any time after 1230. >> >> I have reserved a table for 12, but if all the usual odd-balls, free-loaders and ne?er-do-wells turn up, I?m sure Pant Du can find room for us. Details of the venue, directions, etc.: >> www.pantdu.co.uk >> >> TeaTeaFN - Tony >> > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From bernie833 at gmail.com Wed Feb 6 08:25:46 2019 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2019 14:25:46 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] February Wales Disorganised In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2ced0efc-3649-e3ed-01ae-6b57a8c82782@ntlworld.com> Yes - ooops, that was walking - my wife had been working our how long to get somewhere local. Tony - if you do one in about late May, I'd like to come. I will of course claim Sched A, but it seems like it might be a fun trip. B On 06/02/2019 13:09, Graeme Wall wrote: > Better start walking then? > ? > Graeme Wall > > >> On 6 Feb 2019, at 12:48, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: >> >> Google maps says that it will take 78 hours from here - >> >> >> >> B >> >> >> >> On 06/02/2019 10:40, Tony Grant via Tech1 wrote: >>> Since you mob started the idea, I thought I'd pass on the details of my next one here in the salubrious surroundings of the local vineyard. I'm sure we can squeeze in any visitors from across the border! >>> >>> Weather permitting, I shall be at Pant Du for lunch on Monday 18th February after playing table tennis, and I hope to be there any time after 1230. >>> >>> I have reserved a table for 12, but if all the usual odd-balls, free-loaders and ne?er-do-wells turn up, I?m sure Pant Du can find room for us. 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Tony - if you do one in about late May, I'd like to come. I will of course claim Sched A, but it seems like it might be a fun trip. B On 06/02/2019 13:09, Graeme Wall wrote: Better start walking then? ? Graeme Wall --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Bernard Newnham via Tech1 Sent: 06 February 2019 14:26 Cc: Bernard Newnham; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] February Wales Disorganised Yes - ooops, that was walking - my wife had been working our how long to get somewhere local. [cid:part1.250A6DC7.64C3E213 at ntlworld.com] Tony - if you do one in about late May, I'd like to come. I will of course claim Sched A, but it seems like it might be a fun trip. B On 06/02/2019 13:09, Graeme Wall wrote: Better start walking then? ? Graeme Wall [https://ipmcdn.avast.com/images/icons/icon-envelope-tick-round-orange-animated-no-repeat-v1.gif] Virus-free. www.avast.com -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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(but maybe the Welsh have euphemisms!) Pat --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From teateatone2 at gmail.com Wed Feb 6 14:28:32 2019 From: teateatone2 at gmail.com (Tony Grant) Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2019 20:28:32 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] February Wales Disorganised In-Reply-To: <5c5b3875.1c69fb81.fd94f.a349@mx.google.com> References: <2ced0efc-3649-e3ed-01ae-6b57a8c82782@ntlworld.com> <5c5af0c3.1c69fb81.e18dc.ad41@mx.google.com> <5c5b3875.1c69fb81.fd94f.a349@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Ah yes, Welsh 'Pant'. Our cottage is called 'Pant y Defaid' which roughly translates as 'Sheep Hollow'. Like so many languages, one word does not always directly translate, but can have a broader or narrower meaning. And when it comes to idioms......'raining cats and dogs' becomes 'raining old women and sticks' for a rough Welsh equivalent. Written Welsh is 99% phonetic, so once you know how to pronounce letters, you can sail through super long words (although you may have no idea what they mean!). Thus, I'm sure the Welsh have Yoof-emissions, ap-pant-ily every day. Sorry Bernie, May is not the best month to organise events in our family, as once the weather turns clement we tend to go off for jaunts around the place (Sched A or no Sched A). But for those who do start walking, I look forward to seeing you on the 18th. TeaTeaFN - Tony On Wed, Feb 6, 2019 at 7:42 PM patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > I get confused with the Welsh word ?Pant? > > Apparently, it can mean dell > > depression > > dip > > hollow > > pant > > valley > > > > > In reading a number of USA set novels, the word ?pants? in USA speak > refers to > > what we call trousers in the UK. Pants in the UK are underwear. > > The Yanks rather coyly refer to the female equivalent as ?panties?. > > We say: ?Knickers? > > Which rather sums it up! (but maybe the Welsh have euphemisms!) > > Pat > > > > > > > Virus-free. > www.avast.com > > <#m_-217014224402715171_DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Waresound at msn.com Wed Feb 6 16:17:35 2019 From: Waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2019 22:17:35 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] February Wales Disorganised In-Reply-To: <5c5b3875.1c69fb81.fd94f.a349@mx.google.com> References: <2ced0efc-3649-e3ed-01ae-6b57a8c82782@ntlworld.com>, <5c5af0c3.1c69fb81.e18dc.ad41@mx.google.com> , <5c5b3875.1c69fb81.fd94f.a349@mx.google.com> Message-ID: How did we get from dell, depression, dip, holllow, pant, valley - - to knickers? They?re another thong altogether. N. Sent from my iPad On 6 Feb 2019, at 19:41, patheigham > wrote: I get confused with the Welsh word ?Pant? Apparently, it can mean dell depression dip hollow pant valley In reading a number of USA set novels, the word ?pants? in USA speak refers to what we call trousers in the UK. Pants in the UK are underwear. The Yanks rather coyly refer to the female equivalent as ?panties?. We say: ?Knickers? Which rather sums it up! (but maybe the Welsh have euphemisms!) Pat [https://ipmcdn.avast.com/images/icons/icon-envelope-tick-round-orange-animated-no-repeat-v1.gif] Virus-free. www.avast.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From teateatone2 at gmail.com Thu Feb 7 04:29:32 2019 From: teateatone2 at gmail.com (Tony Grant) Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2019 10:29:32 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] February Wales Disorganised In-Reply-To: References: <2ced0efc-3649-e3ed-01ae-6b57a8c82782@ntlworld.com> <5c5af0c3.1c69fb81.e18dc.ad41@mx.google.com> <5c5b3875.1c69fb81.fd94f.a349@mx.google.com> Message-ID: I was always told it's the thinger, not the thong. And who wants to wear underwear you can floss with anyway? TeaTeaFN - Tony On Wed, Feb 6, 2019 at 10:17 PM Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: > How did we get from dell, depression, dip, holllow, pant, valley - - to > knickers? > They?re another thong altogether. > N. > Sent from my iPad > > On 6 Feb 2019, at 19:41, patheigham wrote: > > I get confused with the Welsh word ?Pant? > > Apparently, it can mean dell > > depression > > dip > > hollow > > pant > > valley > > > > > In reading a number of USA set novels, the word ?pants? in USA speak > refers to > > what we call trousers in the UK. Pants in the UK are underwear. > > The Yanks rather coyly refer to the female equivalent as ?panties?. > > We say: ?Knickers? > > Which rather sums it up! (but maybe the Welsh have euphemisms!) > > Pat > > > > > > > Virus-free. > www.avast.com > > <#m_-1028982192305731824_DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From geoffletch at gmail.com Thu Feb 7 05:59:55 2019 From: geoffletch at gmail.com (Geoff Fletcher) Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2019 11:59:55 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] February Wales Disorganised In-Reply-To: References: <2ced0efc-3649-e3ed-01ae-6b57a8c82782@ntlworld.com> <5c5af0c3.1c69fb81.e18dc.ad41@mx.google.com> <5c5b3875.1c69fb81.fd94f.a349@mx.google.com> Message-ID: IThe thong is, I thought you were supposed to wear nothing under your Celt Tony! Geoff F On Thu, 7 Feb 2019 at 10:30, Tony Grant via Tech1 wrote: > I was always told it's the thinger, not the thong. And who wants to wear > underwear you can floss with anyway? > > TeaTeaFN - Tony > > On Wed, Feb 6, 2019 at 10:17 PM Nick Ware via Tech1 > wrote: > >> How did we get from dell, depression, dip, holllow, pant, valley - - to >> knickers? >> They?re another thong altogether. >> N. >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On 6 Feb 2019, at 19:41, patheigham wrote: >> >> I get confused with the Welsh word ?Pant? >> >> Apparently, it can mean dell >> >> depression >> >> dip >> >> hollow >> >> pant >> >> valley >> >> >> >> >> In reading a number of USA set novels, the word ?pants? in USA speak >> refers to >> >> what we call trousers in the UK. Pants in the UK are underwear. >> >> The Yanks rather coyly refer to the female equivalent as ?panties?. >> >> We say: ?Knickers? >> >> Which rather sums it up! (but maybe the Welsh have euphemisms!) >> >> Pat >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Virus-free. >> www.avast.com >> >> <#m_-9144335573893547251_m_-1028982192305731824_DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From teateatone2 at gmail.com Thu Feb 7 06:40:08 2019 From: teateatone2 at gmail.com (Tony Grant) Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2019 12:40:08 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] February Wales Disorganised In-Reply-To: References: <2ced0efc-3649-e3ed-01ae-6b57a8c82782@ntlworld.com> <5c5af0c3.1c69fb81.e18dc.ad41@mx.google.com> <5c5b3875.1c69fb81.fd94f.a349@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Up to your old tricks, peeping in the shower again, eh Geoff? It's all in purrrfect worrrking orrrder. TeaTeaFN - Tony On Thu, Feb 7, 2019 at 12:00 PM Geoff Fletcher wrote: > IThe thong is, I thought you were supposed to wear nothing under your Celt > Tony! > Geoff F > > On Thu, 7 Feb 2019 at 10:30, Tony Grant via Tech1 > wrote: > >> I was always told it's the thinger, not the thong. And who wants to wear >> underwear you can floss with anyway? >> >> TeaTeaFN - Tony >> >> On Wed, Feb 6, 2019 at 10:17 PM Nick Ware via Tech1 >> wrote: >> >>> How did we get from dell, depression, dip, holllow, pant, valley - - to >>> knickers? >>> They?re another thong altogether. >>> N. >>> Sent from my iPad >>> >>> On 6 Feb 2019, at 19:41, patheigham wrote: >>> >>> I get confused with the Welsh word ?Pant? >>> >>> Apparently, it can mean dell >>> >>> depression >>> >>> dip >>> >>> hollow >>> >>> pant >>> >>> valley >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> In reading a number of USA set novels, the word ?pants? in USA speak >>> refers to >>> >>> what we call trousers in the UK. Pants in the UK are underwear. >>> >>> The Yanks rather coyly refer to the female equivalent as ?panties?. >>> >>> We say: ?Knickers? >>> >>> Which rather sums it up! (but maybe the Welsh have euphemisms!) >>> >>> Pat >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Virus-free. >>> www.avast.com >>> >>> <#m_-2363160582438785063_m_-9144335573893547251_m_-1028982192305731824_DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> >>> >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From teateatone2 at gmail.com Thu Feb 7 14:22:55 2019 From: teateatone2 at gmail.com (Tony Grant) Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2019 20:22:55 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] For Prospero readers Message-ID: FYI, here's a copy of the missive I've just fired off to Prospero having read the letter in the recent edition regarding spurious music in docs. I*?m writing to you to concur wholeheartedly with John Hale?s comments regarding distracting background ?music? in programmes. I, too, no longer watch documentaries because I cannot abide the intrusion of the extraneous noise young people often refer to as ?music?. Indeed, last year I found my wife watching a documentary (no idea of its title/content) but there were three men wandering around in a forest and the sound track was a piano playing (well, plinky plonking, more like). Totally irrelevant to the subject matter.* *In the reply to John?s letter, I notice the phrase ?commentary and dialogue must be audible?, which overlooks John?s more correct terminology that it must be intelligible. Therein lies the difference. As a cameraman, I always had to be aware of dialogue on location. When I was lecturing and training staff, I used to tell them that I was the world?s best cameraman, but no matter how stunning my pictures, if you couldn?t make out what the actors/interviewees/presenters/reporters were saying then we were all wasting our time.* *The spoken word must be intelligible, and if it is unclear, simply turning up the audio/volume does not clarify it. In the past, I have likened this situation to dipping a glass into a pond full of muddy water. Simply increasing the volume, by scooping it up with a bucket, does not clarify the water in the slightest, you?ve just got a larger (=louder) amount of ordure.* *And older people such as my wife and myself have greater difficulty as our hearing deteriorates. My wife is very hard of hearing and lip reads, so not only is intelligibility an issue, also well lit and properly exposed pictures are a must to aid lip reading.* *All that said, yes, programme makers should be allowed to make a pig?s ear of their programmes, if they feel it adds atmosphere and depth, but it would be nice to find some who can avoid ?over-egging the pudding?. Plus, sadly the problem is endemic in television, it?s not simply the BBC who are guilty of aural diarrhoea.* *But here?s a chance for the BBC to take the lead. Visually, I can opt to have subtitles on or off, and mess around with brightness, contrast, colour, etc. to my heart?s content. 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We live in a very desirable area re. schools and we are always getting letters from estate agents about people desperate to move into the area. What are your thoughts? Cheers, Dave From mibridge at mac.com Fri Feb 8 17:33:12 2019 From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles) Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2019 23:33:12 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Paper camera In-Reply-To: <8f40c2f3-bb45-da7a-aca8-75debf22f8f9@gmail.com> References: <8f40c2f3-bb45-da7a-aca8-75debf22f8f9@gmail.com> Message-ID: Will you be adding a paper cameraman, or should I say camera person, Bernie? Mike G > On 8 Feb 2019, at 21:19, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: > > A year ago I was working on building a 1:12 scale paper camera. After a long gap, I think it's done now. It takes three sheets of photo glossy paper, a small amount of Blu Tack and about 10cm of single core cable. I'm thinking of selling kits for charity. > > B > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bernie833 at gmail.com Fri Feb 8 17:35:19 2019 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2019 23:35:19 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Paper camera In-Reply-To: References: <8f40c2f3-bb45-da7a-aca8-75debf22f8f9@gmail.com> Message-ID: <450d910d-b451-4980-aa9c-3d57afc6e77c@ntlworld.com> Roger is working on that, though I have a model Amy Pond from another project. B On 08/02/2019 23:33, Mike Giles wrote: > Will you be adding a paper cameraman, or should I say camera person, > Bernie? > > Mike G > > >> On 8 Feb 2019, at 21:19, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 >> > wrote: >> >> A year ago I was working on building a 1:12 scale paper camera. After >> a long gap, I think it's done now. It takes three sheets of photo >> glossy paper, a small amount of Blu Tack and about 10cm of single >> core cable. I'm thinking of selling kits for charity. >> >> B >> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From j at howell61.f9.co.uk Fri Feb 8 18:25:34 2019 From: j at howell61.f9.co.uk (John Howell) Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2019 00:25:34 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Opinions please In-Reply-To: <9dfb370a-cc10-dce4-2a8b-789df94c5d07@btinternet.com> References: <9dfb370a-cc10-dce4-2a8b-789df94c5d07@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <06dfbae5-dc40-b770-d2aa-725db5dd3864@howell61.f9.co.uk> Yes Dave, I am in a similar position. There is a first class Primary School 300 yards away and people are clamoring to snap up any of the semis that come on the market. There is sufficient room on the landing for a decent staircase to a loft extension, and from what I can see buyers are keen to modernise to their own tastes rather than 'put up with' a recent effort, even if it's done well. You can judge this by what lands in the skip in the driveway! John H. On 08/02/2019 23:08, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: > This is a problem that you are all going to face eventually, how best > to leave the maximum benefit to your heirs! My wife thinks that we > should spend money on updating our present (4 bed semi) home to make > it more attractive to prospective buyers, as it as 1980s features like > coloured baths and toilets, cracked kitchen floor tiles, needs > decorating and so on. I really don't want to live in a building site > for the next few years on the off-chance that it will all give my > heirs more money, whereas the money that I would have spend to achieve > modernisation would still be in the bank gaining a little bit of > interest. We live in a very desirable area re. schools and we are > always getting letters from estate agents about people desperate to > move into the area. What are your thoughts? Cheers, Dave > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net Sat Feb 9 00:35:54 2019 From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt) Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2019 06:35:54 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] Opinions please In-Reply-To: <06dfbae5-dc40-b770-d2aa-725db5dd3864@howell61.f9.co.uk> References: <9dfb370a-cc10-dce4-2a8b-789df94c5d07@btinternet.com> <06dfbae5-dc40-b770-d2aa-725db5dd3864@howell61.f9.co.uk> Message-ID: <9FB590BC8BEC4A3ABF73D32AC5B6C265@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> You could try having your offspring succeed to the point where your contribution becomes inconsequential!! Dave Newbitt. From: John Howell via Tech1 Sent: Saturday, February 9, 2019 12:25 AM To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Opinions please Yes Dave, I am in a similar position. There is a first class Primary School 300 yards away and people are clamoring to snap up any of the semis that come on the market. There is sufficient room on the landing for a decent staircase to a loft extension, and from what I can see buyers are keen to modernise to their own tastes rather than 'put up with' a recent effort, even if it's done well. You can judge this by what lands in the skip in the driveway! John H. On 08/02/2019 23:08, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: This is a problem that you are all going to face eventually, how best to leave the maximum benefit to your heirs! My wife thinks that we should spend money on updating our present (4 bed semi) home to make it more attractive to prospective buyers, as it as 1980s features like coloured baths and toilets, cracked kitchen floor tiles, needs decorating and so on. I really don't want to live in a building site for the next few years on the off-chance that it will all give my heirs more money, whereas the money that I would have spend to achieve modernisation would still be in the bank gaining a little bit of interest. We live in a very desirable area re. schools and we are always getting letters from estate agents about people desperate to move into the area. What are your thoughts? Cheers, Dave -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graeme.wall at icloud.com Sat Feb 9 01:49:53 2019 From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall) Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2019 07:49:53 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Opinions please In-Reply-To: <9FB590BC8BEC4A3ABF73D32AC5B6C265@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> References: <9dfb370a-cc10-dce4-2a8b-789df94c5d07@btinternet.com> <06dfbae5-dc40-b770-d2aa-725db5dd3864@howell61.f9.co.uk> <9FB590BC8BEC4A3ABF73D32AC5B6C265@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> Message-ID: Works for me! ? Graeme Wall > On 9 Feb 2019, at 06:35, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: > > You could try having your offspring succeed to the point where your contribution becomes inconsequential!! > > Dave Newbitt. > > From: John Howell via Tech1 > Sent: Saturday, February 9, 2019 12:25 AM > To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > Subject: Re: [Tech1] Opinions please > > Yes Dave, I am in a similar position. There is a first class Primary School 300 yards away and people are clamoring to snap up any of the semis that come on the market. There is sufficient room on the landing for a decent staircase to a loft extension, and from what I can see buyers are keen to modernise to their own tastes rather than 'put up with' a recent effort, even if it's done well. > You can judge this by what lands in the skip in the driveway! > John H. > > > > On 08/02/2019 23:08, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: >> This is a problem that you are all going to face eventually, how best to leave the maximum benefit to your heirs! My wife thinks that we should spend money on updating our present (4 bed semi) home to make it more attractive to prospective buyers, as it as 1980s features like coloured baths and toilets, cracked kitchen floor tiles, needs decorating and so on. I really don't want to live in a building site for the next few years on the off-chance that it will all give my heirs more money, whereas the money that I would have spend to achieve modernisation would still be in the bank gaining a little bit of interest. We live in a very desirable area re. schools and we are always getting letters from estate agents about people desperate to move into the area. What are your thoughts? Cheers, Dave >> > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From jpn at imixmics.co.uk Sat Feb 9 02:16:15 2019 From: jpn at imixmics.co.uk (John Nottage) Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2019 08:16:15 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Opinions please In-Reply-To: <9dfb370a-cc10-dce4-2a8b-789df94c5d07@btinternet.com> References: <9dfb370a-cc10-dce4-2a8b-789df94c5d07@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <35a2b85c-7f1c-fcd9-82de-c5082a010503@imixmics.co.uk> Easy. Leave it for the kids to update before they sell when you're gone. Pass the buck! John On 08/02/2019 23:08, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: > This is a problem that you are all going to face eventually, how best to > leave the maximum benefit to your heirs! My wife thinks that we should > spend money on updating our present (4 bed semi) home to make it more > attractive to prospective buyers, as it as 1980s features like coloured > baths and toilets, cracked kitchen floor tiles, needs decorating and so > on. I really don't want to live in a building site for the next few > years on the off-chance that it will all give my heirs more money, > whereas the money that I would have spend to achieve modernisation would > still be in the bank gaining a little bit of interest. We live in a very > desirable area re. schools and we are always getting letters from estate > agents about people desperate to move into the area. What are your > thoughts? Cheers, Dave > From waresound at msn.com Sat Feb 9 05:07:59 2019 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2019 11:07:59 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Opinions please In-Reply-To: <9dfb370a-cc10-dce4-2a8b-789df94c5d07@btinternet.com> References: <9dfb370a-cc10-dce4-2a8b-789df94c5d07@btinternet.com> Message-ID: Hi Dave, I wouldn?t advise putting your money in the bank to gain ?a little bit of interest?. Banks are more likely in the very near future to start charging you for looking after your money - i.e. paying you negative interest. Trust me, I keep hearing this at webcasts and podcasts at the top financial institutions. When my F-in-L died about five years ago, my wife inherited a third share of his house, which the three daughters already owned half of between them, since their mother died 12 years ago. We were all for keeping the house, but the other two wanted to sell. With part of Judi?s share of the sale we decided to put ?50k each (the max you can have) in two Premium Bond accounts in hers and my names. Whereas a bank deposit account would earn you literally pence, we each get what we call ?Glasgow letters? every month containing usually up to three ?25 cheques. Typically, that?s in total between ?75 and ?150 per month. That interest just gets used of course, but the investment remains intact. We are about to move house later this month, and have looked at countless houses to buy over the last couple ofyears. We were never in the slightest bit interested in taking on a ?project?, but equally, we saw modernised kitchens, bathrooms, etc., often in such gross bad taste (to our eyes), that they were quickly eliminated too. It?s a dilemma, but in order to sell ours, we were more or less compelled to fit new bathrooms (two including the nowadays mandatory en-suite) plus a utility room and a new kitchen. We did them in contemporary but fairly bland style at a modest cost we expected to see back in the sale - and then the house sold. Then, the other thing to bear in mind is that upgrading a house in, say ten years from now, could well cost more than the interest you?ve earned on your saved money in the meantime. If there?s any worthwhile piece of advice I could offer someone of our age, it would be don?t be a hoarder, declutter as much as you can. Do your kids a favour, do it now. Be ruthless about it. My F-in-L was a hoarder of the worst order. He never threw anything away in all his life. Even kept all the boxes and packaging for everything he?d ever bought. It was a seven bedroom house in Cornwall, absolutely full to the rafters with utter junk. Getting rid of 98% of it was a nightmare. Thank God for the Cornish Lifeboat Society, who took away truck loads of hideously old fashioned furniture and stacks of ancient Hi-fi kit. You couldn?t get into the double garage for junk - there was even a pile of around 200 ice cream cartons that he?d kept ?because they might come in useful?. They didn?t. Nightmare! Cheers, Nick. Sent from my iPad On 8 Feb 2019, at 23:09, dave.mdv via Tech1 > wrote: This is a problem that you are all going to face eventually, how best to leave the maximum benefit to your heirs! My wife thinks that we should spend money on updating our present (4 bed semi) home to make it more attractive to prospective buyers, as it as 1980s features like coloured baths and toilets, cracked kitchen floor tiles, needs decorating and so on. I really don't want to live in a building site for the next few years on the off-chance that it will all give my heirs more money, whereas the money that I would have spend to achieve modernisation would still be in the bank gaining a little bit of interest. We live in a very desirable area re. schools and we are always getting letters from estate agents about people desperate to move into the area. What are your thoughts? Cheers, Dave -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From waresound at msn.com Sat Feb 9 05:21:46 2019 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2019 11:21:46 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Opinions please In-Reply-To: References: <9dfb370a-cc10-dce4-2a8b-789df94c5d07@btinternet.com>, Message-ID: Oh, and a PS: We even organised a locally advertised garage sale, which typically, scavengers come along to looking for stuff they can flog at car boot sales or on eBay. Still couldn?t get rid of the junk! We got to know the St Austell recycling centre guys quite well! N. Sent from my iPad On 9 Feb 2019, at 11:08, Nick Ware > wrote: Hi Dave, I wouldn?t advise putting your money in the bank to gain ?a little bit of interest?. Banks are more likely in the very near future to start charging you for looking after your money - i.e. paying you negative interest. Trust me, I keep hearing this at webcasts and podcasts at the top financial institutions. When my F-in-L died about five years ago, my wife inherited a third share of his house, which the three daughters already owned half of between them, since their mother died 12 years ago. We were all for keeping the house, but the other two wanted to sell. With part of Judi?s share of the sale we decided to put ?50k each (the max you can have) in two Premium Bond accounts in hers and my names. Whereas a bank deposit account would earn you literally pence, we each get what we call ?Glasgow letters? every month containing usually up to three ?25 cheques. Typically, that?s in total between ?75 and ?150 per month. That interest just gets used of course, but the investment remains intact. We are about to move house later this month, and have looked at countless houses to buy over the last couple ofyears. We were never in the slightest bit interested in taking on a ?project?, but equally, we saw modernised kitchens, bathrooms, etc., often in such gross bad taste (to our eyes), that they were quickly eliminated too. It?s a dilemma, but in order to sell ours, we were more or less compelled to fit new bathrooms (two including the nowadays mandatory en-suite) plus a utility room and a new kitchen. We did them in contemporary but fairly bland style at a modest cost we expected to see back in the sale - and then the house sold. Then, the other thing to bear in mind is that upgrading a house in, say ten years from now, could well cost more than the interest you?ve earned on your saved money in the meantime. If there?s any worthwhile piece of advice I could offer someone of our age, it would be don?t be a hoarder, declutter as much as you can. Do your kids a favour, do it now. Be ruthless about it. My F-in-L was a hoarder of the worst order. He never threw anything away in all his life. Even kept all the boxes and packaging for everything he?d ever bought. It was a seven bedroom house in Cornwall, absolutely full to the rafters with utter junk. Getting rid of 98% of it was a nightmare. Thank God for the Cornish Lifeboat Society, who took away truck loads of hideously old fashioned furniture and stacks of ancient Hi-fi kit. You couldn?t get into the double garage for junk - there was even a pile of around 200 ice cream cartons that he?d kept ?because they might come in useful?. They didn?t. Nightmare! Cheers, Nick. Sent from my iPad On 8 Feb 2019, at 23:09, dave.mdv via Tech1 > wrote: This is a problem that you are all going to face eventually, how best to leave the maximum benefit to your heirs! My wife thinks that we should spend money on updating our present (4 bed semi) home to make it more attractive to prospective buyers, as it as 1980s features like coloured baths and toilets, cracked kitchen floor tiles, needs decorating and so on. I really don't want to live in a building site for the next few years on the off-chance that it will all give my heirs more money, whereas the money that I would have spend to achieve modernisation would still be in the bank gaining a little bit of interest. We live in a very desirable area re. schools and we are always getting letters from estate agents about people desperate to move into the area. What are your thoughts? Cheers, Dave -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave at davesound.co.uk Sat Feb 9 05:47:53 2019 From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman) Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2019 11:47:53 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Tech1] Opinions please In-Reply-To: <9dfb370a-cc10-dce4-2a8b-789df94c5d07@btinternet.com> References: <9dfb370a-cc10-dce4-2a8b-789df94c5d07@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <57839b9937dave@davesound.co.uk> Other than a basic first time buyer type of house, it never makes economic sense spending on doing it up for sale. As your taste in terms of a kitchen, etc is unlikely to match another's. Major works like an extension may or may not pay off, though. Across the road was sold recently for a record sum. It was beautiful (IMHO) with a cellar conversion. And nothing more than a few years old. Didn't stop the new owners ripping everything out and starting again. But if a new kitchen or whatever would be nice for you, go for it. The idea of scrimping so others can benefit when you've gone seems silly to me. In article <9dfb370a-cc10-dce4-2a8b-789df94c5d07 at btinternet.com>, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: > This is a problem that you are all going to face eventually, how best to > leave the maximum benefit to your heirs! My wife thinks that we should > spend money on updating our present (4 bed semi) home to make it more > attractive to prospective buyers, as it as 1980s features like coloured > baths and toilets, cracked kitchen floor tiles, needs decorating and so > on. I really don't want to live in a building site for the next few > years on the off-chance that it will all give my heirs more money, > whereas the money that I would have spend to achieve modernisation would > still be in the bank gaining a little bit of interest. We live in a very > desirable area re. schools and we are always getting letters from estate > agents about people desperate to move into the area. What are your > thoughts? Cheers, Dave -- *It IS as bad as you think, and they ARE out to get you. Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From jccglass at gmail.com Sat Feb 9 06:44:41 2019 From: jccglass at gmail.com (Chris on gmail) Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2019 12:44:41 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] tv center flats References: Message-ID: <790AD1A88F77427EB4B685646027A3A2@dell9100> I hear that some production companies are buying TC flats as OFFICES! what ever next? From tonynuttall at me.com Sat Feb 9 07:16:46 2019 From: tonynuttall at me.com (William Nuttall) Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2019 13:16:46 GMT Subject: [Tech1] TVC Reborn? Message-ID: May be if you bought a few flats you could get Kirsty (from Kirsty & Phil) to knock a few walls down and build a STUDIO!!!!!! Tony N in the Wild, of Cumbria (Part of the Great Northern Power House) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave at davesound.co.uk Sat Feb 9 07:27:10 2019 From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman) Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2019 13:27:10 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Tech1] tv center flats In-Reply-To: <790AD1A88F77427EB4B685646027A3A2@dell9100> References: <790AD1A88F77427EB4B685646027A3A2@dell9100> Message-ID: <5783a4b038dave@davesound.co.uk> In article <790AD1A88F77427EB4B685646027A3A2 at dell9100>, Chris on gmail via Tech1 wrote: > I hear that some production companies are buying TC flats as OFFICES! > what ever next? Very true. Everyone rents these days. ;-) -- *I wished the buck stopped here, as I could use a few* Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From geoffreyhawkes at btinternet.com Sat Feb 9 09:09:16 2019 From: geoffreyhawkes at btinternet.com (Geoffrey Hawkes) Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2019 15:09:16 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Opinions please In-Reply-To: References: <9dfb370a-cc10-dce4-2a8b-789df94c5d07@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <70C57766-96A7-4A09-A9D4-9B24915A0659@btinternet.com> We?re in a bungalow where we?ve been since 1975 and have no interest in moving for the foreseeable future. It?s on a good site with lovely views and we get those letters from estate agents too. Come the day for our departure in whatever form, much as I would like it to stay in the family, it would probably be sold to a developer who would demolish it and cram as many others in as they could, as has been the case with others in our road. It?s true we still have the same kitchen and bathroom that we had fitted before we moved in but they serve their purpose and it would seem a waste to spend money on renewing them which wouldn?t add to the value of the property. I?m in sympathy with Nick who said about his father-in-law even keeping boxes things came in. I?m a bit like that myself and have loads of them in our cellar along with piles of bubble wrap and those air-filled packing bags. It?s the old hoarders logic: ?This won?t take up much room and you never know when it might come in handy,? which is true for individual items if not collectively. Not being good at decision making, I?m still wondering what to do with the funds in a maturity ISA that sat with low interest for a while and with the forbidden B word looming my wife says I need to do so soon as rates will only get worse. The Premium Bonds idea as a way of getting a return on an investment always sounds like a good idea but with my luck I don?t think I?d have the courage to go that way. My late grandma bought I think it was ?200 worth when they were first introduced in the late fifties, early sixties and as far as I know never had a return on them except the cash value when she died. Thanks for the discussion thread with which one way or another I?m sure we can all identify, Geoff Hawkes Sent from my iPad > On 9 Feb 2019, at 11:21, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: > > Oh, and a PS: > We even organised a locally advertised garage sale, which typically, scavengers come along to looking for stuff they can flog at car boot sales or on eBay. Still couldn?t get rid of the junk! We got to know the St Austell recycling centre guys quite well! > N. > Sent from my iPad > > On 9 Feb 2019, at 11:08, Nick Ware wrote: > >> Hi Dave, >> I wouldn?t advise putting your money in the bank to gain ?a little bit of interest?. Banks are more likely in the very near future to start charging you for looking after your money - i.e. paying you negative interest. Trust me, I keep hearing this at webcasts and podcasts at the top financial institutions. >> When my F-in-L died about five years ago, my wife inherited a third share of his house, which the three daughters already owned half of between them, since their mother died 12 years ago. We were all for keeping the house, but the other two wanted to sell. With part of Judi?s share of the sale we decided to put ?50k each (the max you can have) in two Premium Bond accounts in hers and my names. Whereas a bank deposit account would earn you literally pence, we each get what we call ?Glasgow letters? every month containing usually up to three ?25 cheques. Typically, that?s in total between ?75 and ?150 per month. >> That interest just gets used of course, but the investment remains intact. >> We are about to move house later this month, and have looked at countless houses to buy over the last couple ofyears. We were never in the slightest bit interested in taking on a ?project?, but equally, we saw modernised kitchens, bathrooms, etc., often in such gross bad taste (to our eyes), that they were quickly eliminated too. >> It?s a dilemma, but in order to sell ours, we were more or less compelled to fit new bathrooms (two including the nowadays mandatory en-suite) plus a utility room and a new kitchen. We did them in contemporary but fairly bland style at a modest cost we expected to see back in the sale - and then the house sold. >> Then, the other thing to bear in mind is that upgrading a house in, say ten years from now, could well cost more than the interest you?ve earned on your saved money in the meantime. >> >> If there?s any worthwhile piece of advice I could offer someone of our age, it would be don?t be a hoarder, declutter as much as you can. Do your kids a favour, do it now. Be ruthless about it. My F-in-L was a hoarder of the worst order. He never threw anything away in all his life. Even kept all the boxes and packaging for everything he?d ever bought. It was a seven bedroom house in Cornwall, absolutely full to the rafters with utter junk. Getting rid of 98% of it was a nightmare. Thank God for the Cornish Lifeboat Society, who took away truck loads of hideously old fashioned furniture and stacks of ancient Hi-fi kit. You couldn?t get into the double garage for junk - there was even a pile of around 200 ice cream cartons that he?d kept ?because they might come in useful?. They didn?t. Nightmare! >> Cheers, >> Nick. >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On 8 Feb 2019, at 23:09, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: >> >>> This is a problem that you are all going to face eventually, how best to leave the maximum benefit to your heirs! My wife thinks that we should spend money on updating our present (4 bed semi) home to make it more attractive to prospective buyers, as it as 1980s features like coloured baths and toilets, cracked kitchen floor tiles, needs decorating and so on. I really don't want to live in a building site for the next few years on the off-chance that it will all give my heirs more money, whereas the money that I would have spend to achieve modernisation would still be in the bank gaining a little bit of interest. We live in a very desirable area re. schools and we are always getting letters from estate agents about people desperate to move into the area. What are your thoughts? Cheers, Dave >>> >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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We got to know the St Austell recycling centre guys quite well! > N. > Sent from my iPad > > On 9 Feb 2019, at 11:08, Nick Ware wrote: > >> Hi Dave, >> I wouldn?t advise putting your money in the bank to gain ?a little bit of interest?. Banks are more likely in the very near future to start charging you for looking after your money - i.e. paying you negative interest. Trust me, I keep hearing this at webcasts and podcasts at the top financial institutions. >> When my F-in-L died about five years ago, my wife inherited a third share of his house, which the three daughters already owned half of between them, since their mother died 12 years ago. We were all for keeping the house, but the other two wanted to sell. With part of Judi?s share of the sale we decided to put ?50k each (the max you can have) in two Premium Bond accounts in hers and my names. Whereas a bank deposit account would earn you literally pence, we each get what we call ?Glasgow letters? every month containing usually up to three ?25 cheques. Typically, that?s in total between ?75 and ?150 per month. >> That interest just gets used of course, but the investment remains intact. >> We are about to move house later this month, and have looked at countless houses to buy over the last couple ofyears. We were never in the slightest bit interested in taking on a ?project?, but equally, we saw modernised kitchens, bathrooms, etc., often in such gross bad taste (to our eyes), that they were quickly eliminated too. >> It?s a dilemma, but in order to sell ours, we were more or less compelled to fit new bathrooms (two including the nowadays mandatory en-suite) plus a utility room and a new kitchen. We did them in contemporary but fairly bland style at a modest cost we expected to see back in the sale - and then the house sold. >> Then, the other thing to bear in mind is that upgrading a house in, say ten years from now, could well cost more than the interest you?ve earned on your saved money in the meantime. >> >> If there?s any worthwhile piece of advice I could offer someone of our age, it would be don?t be a hoarder, declutter as much as you can. Do your kids a favour, do it now. Be ruthless about it. My F-in-L was a hoarder of the worst order. He never threw anything away in all his life. Even kept all the boxes and packaging for everything he?d ever bought. It was a seven bedroom house in Cornwall, absolutely full to the rafters with utter junk. Getting rid of 98% of it was a nightmare. Thank God for the Cornish Lifeboat Society, who took away truck loads of hideously old fashioned furniture and stacks of ancient Hi-fi kit. You couldn?t get into the double garage for junk - there was even a pile of around 200 ice cream cartons that he?d kept ?because they might come in useful?. They didn?t. Nightmare! >> Cheers, >> Nick. >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On 8 Feb 2019, at 23:09, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: >> >>> This is a problem that you are all going to face eventually, how best to leave the maximum benefit to your heirs! My wife thinks that we should spend money on updating our present (4 bed semi) home to make it more attractive to prospective buyers, as it as 1980s features like coloured baths and toilets, cracked kitchen floor tiles, needs decorating and so on. I really don't want to live in a building site for the next few years on the off-chance that it will all give my heirs more money, whereas the money that I would have spend to achieve modernisation would still be in the bank gaining a little bit of interest. We live in a very desirable area re. schools and we are always getting letters from estate agents about people desperate to move into the area. What are your thoughts? Cheers, Dave >>> >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave at davesound.co.uk Sat Feb 9 09:51:06 2019 From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman) Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2019 15:51:06 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Tech1] Opinions please In-Reply-To: <70C57766-96A7-4A09-A9D4-9B24915A0659@btinternet.com> References: <9dfb370a-cc10-dce4-2a8b-789df94c5d07@btinternet.com> <70C57766-96A7-4A09-A9D4-9B24915A0659@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <5783b1dccfdave@davesound.co.uk> In article <70C57766-96A7-4A09-A9D4-9B24915A0659 at btinternet.com>, Geoffrey Hawkes via Tech1 wrote: > I?m in sympathy with Nick who said about his father-in-law even keeping > boxes things came in. I?m a bit like that myself and have loads of them > in our cellar along with piles of bubble wrap and those air-filled > packing bags. It?s the old hoarders logic: ?This won?t take up much room > and you never know when it might come in handy,? And I thought it was just me. ;-) A pal had a faulty Lidl car battery charger. I said I'd have a look. A faulty mode switch - the 'tactile' type - which I had spares for and fitted. Took less than an hour. Gave it back to him and he said he didn't need it as a new one had cost just 14 quid. ;-) -- *I thought I wanted a career. Turns out I just wanted paychecks. Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From dave at davesound.co.uk Sat Feb 9 10:12:12 2019 From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman) Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2019 16:12:12 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Tech1] Opinions on what to do with unwanted items In-Reply-To: References: <9dfb370a-cc10-dce4-2a8b-789df94c5d07@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <5783b3cb6fdave@davesound.co.uk> In article , Geoffrey Hawkes via Tech1 wrote: > If you?re getting rid of things that might be of use to someone else and > you?re happy to give them away, you could try putting them on Freecycle > and while you might get car-boot type people looking to profit from > them, they could do some needy person a good turn, Quite easy to decide if a FreeCycle type is dealing or not. They tend not to want to answer emails. Someone who genuinely wants something will be much keener to. I had a long toughened glass shelf made to fit an alcove. Decided a deeper one would be better. Expensive mistake at about 100 quid. Put it on FreeCycle and had several responses - but one from a kid who wanted it to display models (cars, that is) in his bedroom. He and dad arrived to collect it. Helps the pain if you know it's going to a good home. ;-) -- *How about "never"? Is "never" good for you? Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From jpn at imixmics.co.uk Sat Feb 9 10:21:29 2019 From: jpn at imixmics.co.uk (John Nottage) Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2019 16:21:29 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Opinions please In-Reply-To: References: <9dfb370a-cc10-dce4-2a8b-789df94c5d07@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <5efa798e-6fc3-1824-1ef7-c3f6fce41733@imixmics.co.uk> Yes, premium bonds. We've got 30k each & get a regular income from them. Currently I reckon we're getting about 2% return which beats all our other accounts. I bought my first ?10 worth in 1964 & I've had 2 x ?25 prizes from them - that still works out as a very good return of over 9% (if I've got my maths right)! John On 09/02/2019 11:07, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: > Hi Dave, > I wouldn?t advise putting your money in the bank to gain ?a little bit > of interest?. Banks are more likely in the very near future to start > charging you for looking after your money - i.e. paying you negative > interest. Trust me, I keep hearing this at webcasts and podcasts at the > top financial institutions. > When my F-in-L died about five years ago, my wife inherited a third > share of his house, which the three daughters already owned half of > between them, since their mother died 12 years ago. We were all for > keeping the house, but the other two wanted to sell. With part of Judi?s > share of the sale we decided to put ?50k each (the max you can have) in > two Premium Bond accounts in hers and my names. Whereas a bank deposit > account would earn you literally pence, we each get what we call > ?Glasgow letters? every month containing usually up to three ?25 > cheques. Typically, that?s in total between ?75 and ?150 per month. > That interest just gets used of course, but the investment remains intact. From Waresound at msn.com Sat Feb 9 11:32:44 2019 From: Waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2019 17:32:44 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Opinions on what to do with unwanted items In-Reply-To: <5783b3cb6fdave@davesound.co.uk> References: <9dfb370a-cc10-dce4-2a8b-789df94c5d07@btinternet.com> , <5783b3cb6fdave@davesound.co.uk> Message-ID: The good thing about the Cornish Lifeboat Society was that it was 100% going to charity - as far as one can ever tell. This morning I took a carload to the local charity shop, some of it still here since the Cornish episode, and on Monday they are collecting a load of bigger stuff, mainly furniture. Last weekend I hired a Luton van with a tail lift, to move a piano to someone in Reading who wanted it more than I needed it, and afterwards my lovely wife said: ?I bet having got rid of that it felt like you just had a jolly good dump?. It did, it really did! Nick. Sent from my iPad On 9 Feb 2019, at 16:16, Dave Plowman > wrote: In article >, Geoffrey Hawkes via Tech1 > wrote: If you're getting rid of things that might be of use to someone else and you're happy to give them away, you could try putting them on Freecycle and while you might get car-boot type people looking to profit from them, they could do some needy person a good turn, Quite easy to decide if a FreeCycle type is dealing or not. They tend not to want to answer emails. Someone who genuinely wants something will be much keener to. I -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From geoffreyhawkes at btinternet.com Sat Feb 9 18:04:38 2019 From: geoffreyhawkes at btinternet.com (Geoffrey Hawkes) Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2019 00:04:38 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Opinions on what to do with unwanted items In-Reply-To: <5783b3cb6fdave@davesound.co.uk> References: <9dfb370a-cc10-dce4-2a8b-789df94c5d07@btinternet.com> <5783b3cb6fdave@davesound.co.uk> Message-ID: <1B84C8B1-7661-43C6-B86B-99A2291800F7@btinternet.com> Nice story about the glass shelf, Dave. It?s true that the value of a warm glow we can get from giving to someone who?s really appreciative, outweighs that of an expensive second thought, though we wouldn?t plan it that way. There?s an old adage which says that ?money isn?t everything? which is good to remember rather than simply rueing our loss. Alfred E. Newman of Mad Magazine 60 years ago, if you ever read that and remember his alternative one-liners, might have coined the phrase, ?Money isn?t everything but it?ll do till we have everything.? It?s the contradiction to the familiar platitude and reminds us of what we try and keep to but don?t always succeed that gives the humour. Your own quotes are like that too, aren?t they? Another favourite of mine was, ?Fools rush in and grab the best seats,? which if you?ve ever politely held back and said ?After you,? to someone who doesn?t even have the grace to say thank you, might tempt us next time not to give way to our better nature. ?? Eh? Sent from my iPad > On 9 Feb 2019, at 16:12, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: > > In article , > Geoffrey Hawkes via Tech1 wrote: >> If you?re getting rid of things that might be of use to someone else and >> you?re happy to give them away, you could try putting them on Freecycle >> and while you might get car-boot type people looking to profit from >> them, they could do some needy person a good turn, > > Quite easy to decide if a FreeCycle type is dealing or not. They tend not > to want to answer emails. Someone who genuinely wants something will be > much keener to. > > I had a long toughened glass shelf made to fit an alcove. Decided a deeper > one would be better. Expensive mistake at about 100 quid. Put it on > FreeCycle and had several responses - but one from a kid who wanted it to > display models (cars, that is) in his bedroom. He and dad arrived to > collect it. Helps the pain if you know it's going to a good home. ;-) > > -- > *How about "never"? Is "never" good for you? > > Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From geoffreyhawkes at btinternet.com Sat Feb 9 18:20:27 2019 From: geoffreyhawkes at btinternet.com (Geoffrey Hawkes) Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2019 00:20:27 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Opinions on what to do with unwanted items In-Reply-To: References: <9dfb370a-cc10-dce4-2a8b-789df94c5d07@btinternet.com> <5783b3cb6fdave@davesound.co.uk> Message-ID: <5522CA48-A354-4CC5-A693-79F5C4C144E6@btinternet.com> Nick, I should?ve said in my reply to Dave, that your story about helping the Lifeboat Society and the hiring of a van to take an unwanted piano to someone who needed it was a nice one too and you went much more than the proverbial extra mile, didn?t you... > On 9 Feb 2019, at 17:32, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: > > The good thing about the Cornish Lifeboat Society was that it was 100% going to charity - as far as one can ever tell. > This morning I took a carload to the local charity shop, some of it still here since the Cornish episode, and on Monday they are collecting a load of bigger stuff, mainly furniture. > Last weekend I hired a Luton van with a tail lift, to move a piano to someone in Reading who wanted it more than I needed it, and afterwards my lovely wife said: ?I bet having got rid of that it felt like you just had a jolly good dump?. It did, it really did! > Nick. > > Sent from my iPad > > On 9 Feb 2019, at 16:16, Dave Plowman wrote: > >> In article , >> Geoffrey Hawkes via Tech1 wrote: >>> If you're getting rid of things that might be of use to someone else and >>> you're happy to give them away, you could try putting them on Freecycle >>> and while you might get car-boot type people looking to profit from >>> them, they could do some needy person a good turn, >> >> Quite easy to decide if a FreeCycle type is dealing or not. They tend not >> to want to answer emails. Someone who genuinely wants something will be >> much keener to. >> >> I > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Currently I reckon we're getting about 2% return which beats all our other accounts. I bought my first ?10 worth in 1964 & I've had 2 x ?25 prizes from them - that still works out as a very good return of over 9% (if I've got my maths right)! John --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Premium Bonds Yield.pdf Type: application/pdf Size: 12429 bytes Desc: not available URL: From dave at davesound.co.uk Sun Feb 10 07:10:30 2019 From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman) Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2019 13:10:30 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Tech1] Opinions on what to do with unwanted items In-Reply-To: <5522CA48-A354-4CC5-A693-79F5C4C144E6@btinternet.com> References: <9dfb370a-cc10-dce4-2a8b-789df94c5d07@btinternet.com> <5783b3cb6fdave@davesound.co.uk> <5522CA48-A354-4CC5-A693-79F5C4C144E6@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <578426fe96dave@davesound.co.uk> In article <5522CA48-A354-4CC5-A693-79F5C4C144E6 at btinternet.com>, Geoffrey Hawkes via Tech1 wrote: > Nick, I should?ve said in my reply to Dave, that your story about > helping the Lifeboat Society and the hiring of a van to take an unwanted > piano to someone who needed it was a nice one too and you went much more > than the proverbial extra mile, didn?t you... All credit to Nick too on that one. When it comes to a cost of disposing of something large, I'd hope we'd all pay a little more so it goes to someone who wants it rather than landfill. Although I've got a council tip (sorry, waste disposal centre) fairly close, I'll always try FreeCycle first if I think it can be used again. An email costs very little effort. And the one I select to 'give' it to from the replies tends to be very reliable in terms of picking it up when they say they will. Just a few 'no shows' would put me off the whole idea. -- *It is easier to get older than it is to get wiser. Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From patheigham at amps.net Sun Feb 10 07:59:10 2019 From: patheigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2019 13:59:10 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Opinions on what to do with unwanted items In-Reply-To: <578426fe96dave@davesound.co.uk> References: <9dfb370a-cc10-dce4-2a8b-789df94c5d07@btinternet.com> <5783b3cb6fdave@davesound.co.uk> <5522CA48-A354-4CC5-A693-79F5C4C144E6@btinternet.com> <578426fe96dave@davesound.co.uk> Message-ID: <5c602e2e.1c69fb81.813b.6d00@mx.google.com> An outfit near me accepts stuff that is in working order and good condition to distribute to needy folks. All electricals are PAT tested and checked. It?s called BESOM and have places all over, so if anyone has something to dispose, then check their website for your nearest branch. http://www.besom.com/local-besoms I echo the praise for Nick?s efforts ? I assume that it?s the RNLI that he mentions, which I also support, as so many friends and colleagues ?mess about in boats? and might have need. In that part of the country the Devon & Cornwall Air Ambulance is highly worth supporting. With those counties? narrow roads, a helicopter can get a heart attack victim to hospital within the magic ?hour? for survival. Best Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Dave Plowman via Tech1 Sent: 10 February 2019 13:23 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Opinions on what to do with unwanted items In article <5522CA48-A354-4CC5-A693-79F5C4C144E6 at btinternet.com>, Geoffrey Hawkes via Tech1 wrote: > Nick, I should?ve said in my reply to Dave, that your story about > helping the Lifeboat Society and the hiring of a van to take an unwanted > piano to someone who needed it was a nice one too and you went much more > than the proverbial extra mile, didn?t you... All credit to Nick too on that one. When it comes to a cost of disposing of something large, I'd hope we'd all pay a little more so it goes to someone who wants it rather than landfill. Although I've got a council tip (sorry, waste disposal centre) fairly close, I'll always try FreeCycle first if I think it can be used again. An email costs very little effort. And the one I select to 'give' it to from the replies tends to be very reliable in terms of picking it up when they say they will. Just a few 'no shows' would put me off the whole idea. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bernie833 at gmail.com Sun Feb 10 14:12:27 2019 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2019 20:12:27 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] TC tour In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <83c28114-a6c2-c59c-885a-74c9f5dbed45@ntlworld.com> Following on from this post by David - I for one didn't know this tour existed - I'm working on a page for the website. I've grabbed a couple of pics of each studio and what I'd like to put in are stories based on each one, as many as people feel like sending. They don't need to be witty or earth-shattering, just vignettes of life in a TC studio.? This is so far, with no stories, of course. I await stuff to fill in the page........ B On 07/02/2019 20:48, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: > I learned today of a Feb 2013 Google Street View tour of TC. As a > relative newcomer to the forum it may well be the case that I am > finding things you all know about anyway. It is a full circuit tour- > every floor etc. Opening shot:- > Main recep > Link is here if anyone isn?t already aware https://bit.ly/2Kpmx4Q > Dave Newbitt. > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: djicknpejnhhfbom.png Type: image/png Size: 527007 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Main recep[3].jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 207259 bytes Desc: not available URL: From geoffreyhawkes at btinternet.com Sun Feb 10 17:41:26 2019 From: geoffreyhawkes at btinternet.com (Geoffrey Hawkes) Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2019 23:41:26 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Lip synch on BBC1 HD news at 11pm Sunday Message-ID: <8B7C54D1-1C09-4E13-B958-1A26EFAA3C59@btinternet.com> The lip synch on BBC1 HD late evening news tonight appeared to be out, just the newsreader bits. It was fine on SD. I?ve noticed this happening occasionally before. Does anyone know the reason and why no-one in whatever passes for NC1 nowadays doesn?t spot it and get someone to correct it? Geoff Hawkes From dave at davesound.co.uk Sun Feb 10 18:15:16 2019 From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman) Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2019 00:15:16 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Tech1] Lip synch on BBC1 HD news at 11pm Sunday In-Reply-To: <8B7C54D1-1C09-4E13-B958-1A26EFAA3C59@btinternet.com> References: <8B7C54D1-1C09-4E13-B958-1A26EFAA3C59@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <578463db61dave@davesound.co.uk> In article <8B7C54D1-1C09-4E13-B958-1A26EFAA3C59 at btinternet.com>, Geoffrey Hawkes via Tech1 wrote: > The lip synch on BBC1 HD late evening news tonight appeared to be out, > just the newsreader bits. It was fine on SD. I?ve noticed this happening > occasionally before. Does anyone know the reason and why no-one in > whatever passes for NC1 nowadays doesn?t spot it and get someone to > correct it? BBC1 news at a weekend often seems technically poor. On Saturday, the difference between sound levels between most inserts and studio stuff was enormous. And the studio stuff hammering into a limiter. Almost as if it had been cobbled together in an edit with no manual adjustment of sound levels at all. -- *They call it PMS because Mad Cow Disease was already taken. Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com Mon Feb 11 02:04:11 2019 From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray) Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2019 08:04:11 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] TC tour In-Reply-To: <83c28114-a6c2-c59c-885a-74c9f5dbed45@ntlworld.com> References: <83c28114-a6c2-c59c-885a-74c9f5dbed45@ntlworld.com> Message-ID: <1a7821f7-8a54-fe33-fd95-41e1b0354438@gmail.com> Hi, The lorry in the Donut belongs to Orion Access Services .... who offer? .... I wonder what that was doing there? -- Best Regards Alec Alec Bray alec.bray.2 at gmail.com mob: 07789 561 346 home: 0118 981 7502 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: mhlfifbboeafpmeh.png Type: image/png Size: 437593 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: oomnidaphimblpbf.png Type: image/png Size: 371771 bytes Desc: not available URL: From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net Mon Feb 11 03:38:33 2019 From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt) Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2019 09:38:33 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] TC tour In-Reply-To: <83c28114-a6c2-c59c-885a-74c9f5dbed45@ntlworld.com> References: <83c28114-a6c2-c59c-885a-74c9f5dbed45@ntlworld.com> Message-ID: Hello Bernard, Don?t know whether this would quite qualify as a ?vignette of life...? but here goes. One of the joys of life on a sound crew was the occasional requirement for flying the boom/s. If you were lucky, a cable run from the gantry via a convenient scene hoist was all that was required. Sometimes of course it required a drop all the way down from the grid. We all got quite adept at judging where the cable would hit the floor - sort of variation of parallax error so familiar to us boom operators. In TC1 of course this was a fair climb but how fascinating it was looking down from this height at the spectacle of such a vast studio and all its technical magic. That aside there was, for a time at least, another diversion:- In the far corner of the grid at the ring road end was a short extra run of steel steps leading to an emergency exit. At some point this notice had been fixed to the door ? ?IN CASE OF FIRE, KEY IS AVAILABLE FROM RECEPTION?. Don?t know how long it stayed there but, safety implications aside, it was amusing. Dave Newbitt. PS. An alternative viewpoint for TC1 from on high was the little observation room I remember taking a visitor or two to enjoy. I think at the time for some reason it was not widely known to be there. From: Bernard Newnham via Tech1 Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2019 8:12 PM To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Cc: Bernard Newnham Subject: Re: [Tech1] TC tour Following on from this post by David - I for one didn't know this tour existed - I'm working on a page for the website. I've grabbed a couple of pics of each studio and what I'd like to put in are stories based on each one, as many as people feel like sending. They don't need to be witty or earth-shattering, just vignettes of life in a TC studio. This is so far, with no stories, of course. I await stuff to fill in the page........ B -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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It was fine on SD. I?ve noticed this happening >> occasionally before. Does anyone know the reason and why no-one in >> whatever passes for NC1 nowadays doesn?t spot it and get someone to >> correct it? > > BBC1 news at a weekend often seems technically poor. On Saturday, the > difference between sound levels between most inserts and studio stuff was > enormous. And the studio stuff hammering into a limiter. Almost as if it > had been cobbled together in an edit with no manual adjustment of sound > levels at all. > > -- > *They call it PMS because Mad Cow Disease was already taken. > > Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From j at howell61.f9.co.uk Mon Feb 11 04:26:31 2019 From: j at howell61.f9.co.uk (John Howell) Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2019 10:26:31 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] TC tour In-Reply-To: References: <83c28114-a6c2-c59c-885a-74c9f5dbed45@ntlworld.com> Message-ID: <5027db06-c7d0-8b52-7bc8-a0cfaeabf4e3@howell61.f9.co.uk> Akin to your TC1 tale Dave is a mystery in TC6. The Audience Fire Exit in wall 4 has (had), an exit to the scenery runway and a wide set of stairs leading to the basement. Also there was a short set of stairs with hand rail leading up to.....a brick wall. You couldn't stand on the top stair because the ceiling was in place. I am guessing the wide stairs down was a route for large machinery being installed in the sub-basement. Not far away was the big compressor that fed air to VT for the head bearings of the 2" machines, & probably to TK for blowing hairs out of the gate! John H. On 11/02/2019 09:38, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: > Hello Bernard, > Don?t know whether this would quite qualify as a ?vignette of life...? > but here goes. One of the joys of life on a sound crew was the > occasional requirement for flying the boom/s. If you were lucky, a > cable run from the gantry via a convenient scene hoist was all that > was required. Sometimes of course it required a drop all the way down > from the grid. We all got quite adept at judging where the cable would > hit the floor - sort of variation of parallax error so familiar to us > boom operators. > In TC1 of course this was a fair climb but how fascinating it was > looking down from this height at the spectacle of such a vast studio > and all its technical magic. That aside there was, for a time at > least, another diversion:- > In the far corner of the grid at the ring road end was a short extra > run of steel steps leading to an emergency exit. At some point this > notice had been fixed to the door ? ?IN CASE OF FIRE, KEY IS AVAILABLE > FROM RECEPTION?. Don?t know how long it stayed there but, safety > implications aside, it was amusing. > Dave Newbitt. > PS. An alternative viewpoint for TC1 from on high was the little > observation room I remember taking a visitor or two to enjoy. I think > at the time for some reason it was not widely known to be there. > *From:* Bernard Newnham via Tech1 > *Sent:* Sunday, February 10, 2019 8:12 PM > *To:* tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > *Cc:* Bernard Newnham > *Subject:* Re: [Tech1] TC tour > > Following on from this post by David - I for one didn't know this tour > existed - I'm working on a page for the website. I've grabbed a couple > of pics of each studio and what I'd like to put in are stories based > on each one, as many as people feel like sending. They don't need to > be witty or earth-shattering, just vignettes of life in a TC studio. > This is so far, with no stories, of course. I await stuff to fill in > the page........ > > B > > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Gosh!) and then up to these observation rooms to see the action in the studio -- Best Regards Alec Alec Bray alec.bray.2 at gmail.com mob: 07789 561 346 home: 0118 981 7502 From paul at pgtmedia.co.uk Mon Feb 11 04:58:26 2019 From: paul at pgtmedia.co.uk (Paul Thackray) Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2019 10:58:26 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] TC tour In-Reply-To: <2020f00f-5d32-5fec-8d5c-52099a5dd87b@gmail.com> Message-ID: TC 1.3.4,6 and 8 all had viewing galleries. All on the 2nd floor. TC 8 was accessed just in the spur behind the North Hall lifts. TC 6 from the steps near green tea bar. TC 3&4 behind the south hall lifts. TC 1 was from the stair case at the end of circle. N1 & N2 (later known as TC 10 & 11 ) had a viewing gallery on the spur 7th floor. Paul Thackray PGT Media Consulting Ltd. 07802 243979 Mail;?paul at pgtmedia.co.uk Web;?http://www.pgtmedia.co.uk Linkedin;???http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/paul-thackray/19/379/746 IMDB;?http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1488554/ sent from my BlackBerry?the most secure mobile device?via the O2 Network ? Original Message ? From: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Sent: 11 February 2019 10:35 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Reply to: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com Subject: Re: [Tech1] TC tour Hi all On 11/02/2019 09:38, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: > An alternative viewpoint for TC1 from on high was the little > observation room Were there not similar observation rooms for TC3 and TC4 leading off from the fourth floor somehow?? The idea I thought was that groups of visitors could be led past the control rooms (Wow! Gosh!) and then up to these observation rooms to see the action in the studio -- Best Regards Alec Alec Bray alec.bray.2 at gmail.com mob:??? 07789 561 346 home:?? 0118 981 7502 -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com Mon Feb 11 05:04:12 2019 From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray) Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2019 11:04:12 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] TC tour In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9c675bb9-70a8-a676-a10d-d9429e200f9f@gmail.com> Thanks, Paul, for that correction!? SECOND FLOOR, of course! On 11/02/2019 10:58, Paul Thackray wrote: > 6 and 8 all had viewing galleries. I left before TC6 was really fully functional, and I never knew TC8. -- Best Regards Alec Alec Bray alec.bray.2 at gmail.com mob: 07789 561 346 home: 0118 981 7502 From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net Mon Feb 11 05:05:25 2019 From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt) Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2019 11:05:25 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] TC tour In-Reply-To: <2020f00f-5d32-5fec-8d5c-52099a5dd87b@gmail.com> References: <83c28114-a6c2-c59c-885a-74c9f5dbed45@ntlworld.com> <2020f00f-5d32-5fec-8d5c-52099a5dd87b@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1AE3AC80C3D04359BAE603BA18D28260@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> I'm sure you've remembered correctly Alec but, hazy though my memory is, I think the route to the TC1 observation room didn't get used much and was perhaps not often included for 'organised' visitor tours? Dave N. -----Original Message----- From: Alec Bray via Tech1 Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 10:35 AM To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] TC tour Hi all On 11/02/2019 09:38, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: > An alternative viewpoint for TC1 from on high was the little observation > room Were there not similar observation rooms for TC3 and TC4 leading off from the fourth floor somehow? The idea I thought was that groups of visitors could be led past the control rooms (Wow! Gosh!) and then up to these observation rooms to see the action in the studio -- Best Regards Alec Alec Bray alec.bray.2 at gmail.com mob: 07789 561 346 home: 0118 981 7502 -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From vernon.dyer at btinternet.com Mon Feb 11 06:32:16 2019 From: vernon.dyer at btinternet.com (vernon.dyer) Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2019 12:32:16 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Lip synch on BBC1 HD news at 11pm Sunday Message-ID: I noticed that. It sometimes happens on my Sky+ box, and usually clears by the time-honoured method of switch it off and on again, but this was on Freeview HD. You start to wonder if there actually was anyone in NC! Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.-------- Original message --------From: Geoffrey Hawkes via Tech1 The lip synch on BBC1 HD late evening news tonight appeared to be out, just the newsreader bits. It was fine on SD. I?ve noticed this happening occasionally before. 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URL: From graeme.wall at icloud.com Mon Feb 11 06:52:10 2019 From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall) Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2019 12:52:10 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] TC tour In-Reply-To: <248cb4e2-6fdc-8893-381d-4ebe4805730a@gmail.com> References: <83c28114-a6c2-c59c-885a-74c9f5dbed45@ntlworld.com> <2020f00f-5d32-5fec-8d5c-52099a5dd87b@gmail.com> <1AE3AC80C3D04359BAE603BA18D28260@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> <248cb4e2-6fdc-8893-381d-4ebe4805730a@gmail.com> Message-ID: <221A2D4F-56B5-48CA-9E3E-4EF48DB321C5@icloud.com> TC6 I remember on working on several light music shows in TC6 with Crew 15 and Ian Gibb. I was the resident Nike swinger at the time. We did a series wih a singer, who?s name escapes me, which involved a massive set with the Nike running round the outside. On one occasion we had a fast track along the long wall and as we got to the end realised we were being chased by a BBC fireman with an extiguisher in his hand and smoke coming out from under the swinger?s platform. A couple of pages of script had slipped down onto the charger and had caught alight. Had great difficulty persuading the fireman that discharging a water extinguisher onto mains electrics wasn?t a good idea. On a Black and White Minstrels I did the equivalent of hitting my funnybone in my knee trying to stop the bucket on a sideways move. The TM2 got the nurse to come down to look at it in the make-up room. Obviously it involved me taking my trousers off and I never realised so many make-up girls ?worked? on that show and all had to come into the room during the procedings. ? Graeme Wall > On 11 Feb 2019, at 12:37, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: > > I've started to build the TC studio stories page. > > http://tech-ops.co.uk/next/2019/02/television-centre-google-streetview-tour-page-build-in-progress/ > > So far I have one story in, from David Newbitt, and one being written. Please send more > > B > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From mibridge at mac.com Mon Feb 11 07:27:55 2019 From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles) Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2019 13:27:55 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Lip synch on BBC1 HD news at 11pm Sunday In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <13556152-F6C4-49AD-BFF4-23ACC66A8367@mac.com> I?m always surprised that on-demand from BBC iPlayer and ITN is sometimes out of sync, but pausing and re-starting puts it right (ish). A well-respected BBC installation engineer once told us that it was impossible for embedded audio to lose sync - if it was right when embedded, it would always be right when decoded. But we were able to demonstrate otherwise, weren?t we, Hibou? Mike G > On 11 Feb 2019, at 12:32, vernon.dyer via Tech1 wrote: > > > I noticed that. It sometimes happens on my Sky+ box, and usually clears by the time-honoured method of switch it off and on again, but this was on Freeview HD. You start to wonder if there actually was anyone in NC! > > > Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. > -------- Original message -------- > From: Geoffrey Hawkes via Tech1 > > The lip synch on BBC1 HD late evening news tonight appeared to be out, just the newsreader bits. It was fine on SD. I?ve noticed this happening occasionally before. Does anyone know the reason and why no-one in whatever passes for NC1 nowadays doesn?t spot it and get someone to correct it? > Geoff Hawkes > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Overnight, the CAR shift had changed and no-one had thought to gather and label all the double-enders on the jackfield, so the incoming shift had cleared it and broken down all the connections. In TC4 sound gallery, we struggled to remember what had been set up ? all the comms lines/talkback/music feeds etc. We managed somehow, and prevented the director from blowing his top, but David Croft was always pretty calm. It was a good production and I have a sound-only recording of it. The cast is listed on IMDb (includes Harry Worth, Richard Wattis & Hattie Jacques). Regards Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Bernard Newnham via Tech1 Sent: 11 February 2019 12:37 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] TC tour I've started to build the TC studio stories page. http://tech-ops.co.uk/next/2019/02/television-centre-google-streetview-tour-page-build-in-progress/ So far I have one story in, from David Newbitt, and one being written.? 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URL: From j at howell61.f9.co.uk Mon Feb 11 08:00:38 2019 From: j at howell61.f9.co.uk (John Howell) Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2019 14:00:38 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] TVC stories In-Reply-To: <5c617a80.1c69fb81.81e74.8930@mx.google.com> References: <83c28114-a6c2-c59c-885a-74c9f5dbed45@ntlworld.com> <2020f00f-5d32-5fec-8d5c-52099a5dd87b@gmail.com> <1AE3AC80C3D04359BAE603BA18D28260@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> <248cb4e2-6fdc-8893-381d-4ebe4805730a@gmail.com> <5c617a80.1c69fb81.81e74.8930@mx.google.com> Message-ID: I seem to remember the Mexican Control Room staff did the same thing during the World Cup in 1986 didn't they Mike (Giles)? Hibou. On 11/02/2019 13:37, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > > A near disaster, years ago: > > A big music show in 1967, a version of The Mikado, called Titipu, > required links between the orchestra in TC3, with the action set in > TC4. We had spent the best part of two days setting up the tie lines, > via CAR, and were ready to record as soon as we got in on the third > day. Horror! None of the linking circuits were there! Overnight, the > CAR shift had changed and no-one had thought to gather and label all > the double-enders on the jackfield, so the incoming shift had cleared > it and broken down all the connections. In TC4 sound gallery, we > struggled to remember what had been set up ? all the comms > lines/talkback/music feeds etc. > > We managed somehow, and prevented the director from blowing his top, > but David Croft was always pretty calm. > > It was a good production and I have a sound-only recording of it. The > cast is listed on IMDb (includes Harry Worth, Richard Wattis & Hattie > Jacques). > > Regards > > Pat > > Sent from Mail for > Windows 10 > > *From: *Bernard Newnham via Tech1 > *Sent: *11 February 2019 12:37 > *To: *tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > *Subject: *Re: [Tech1] TC tour > > I've started to build the TC studio stories page. > > http://tech-ops.co.uk/next/2019/02/television-centre-google-streetview-tour-page-build-in-progress/ > > So far I have one story in, from David Newbitt, and one being > written.? Please send more > > B > > > > Virus-free. www.avast.com > > > > <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mibridge at mac.com Mon Feb 11 08:49:10 2019 From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles) Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2019 14:49:10 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] TVC stories In-Reply-To: References: <83c28114-a6c2-c59c-885a-74c9f5dbed45@ntlworld.com> <2020f00f-5d32-5fec-8d5c-52099a5dd87b@gmail.com> <1AE3AC80C3D04359BAE603BA18D28260@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> <248cb4e2-6fdc-8893-381d-4ebe4805730a@gmail.com> <5c617a80.1c69fb81.81e74.8930@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <0FAF9E61-0082-4337-AEB1-36E1BB8450F3@mac.com> How right you are, John. I also remember that there was no logic to the sequence of circuits on their jackfield, so that when they transferred from one match venue to another, it wasn?t just a case of moving each cord to be next to its previous neighbour, but they ended up in a totally different order, with consequent tangling of double-enders. Dave Wharton used to go up and sort things out, but after one particular hiatus, all non-local staff had their pass accreditation for the MCR rescinded. The prize quotation from the Mexican Host Broadcaster?s spokesman, when responding to criticism of the number of failed transmissions on the first day (including the Brazil match to Brazil!) was ?We didn?t realise how many people would want to speak at once!? Mike G > On 11 Feb 2019, at 14:00, John Howell via Tech1 wrote: > > I seem to remember the Mexican Control Room staff did the same thing during the World Cup in 1986 didn't they Mike (Giles)? > > Hibou. > > > > On 11/02/2019 13:37, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: >> A near disaster, years ago: >> A big music show in 1967, a version of The Mikado, called Titipu, required links between the orchestra in TC3, with the action set in TC4. We had spent the best part of two days setting up the tie lines, via CAR, and were ready to record as soon as we got in on the third day. Horror! None of the linking circuits were there! Overnight, the CAR shift had changed and no-one had thought to gather and label all the double-enders on the jackfield, so the incoming shift had cleared it and broken down all the connections. In TC4 sound gallery, we struggled to remember what had been set up ? all the comms lines/talkback/music feeds etc. >> We managed somehow, and prevented the director from blowing his top, but David Croft was always pretty calm. >> It was a good production and I have a sound-only recording of it. The cast is listed on IMDb (includes Harry Worth, Richard Wattis & Hattie Jacques). >> >> Regards >> Pat >> >> Sent from Mail for Windows 10 >> >> From: Bernard Newnham via Tech1 >> Sent: 11 February 2019 12:37 >> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> Subject: Re: [Tech1] TC tour >> >> I've started to build the TC studio stories page. >> >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/next/2019/02/television-centre-google-streetview-tour-page-build-in-progress/ >> >> So far I have one story in, from David Newbitt, and one being written. Please send more >> >> B >> >> >> Virus-free. www.avast.com > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From j at howell61.f9.co.uk Mon Feb 11 10:01:46 2019 From: j at howell61.f9.co.uk (John Howell) Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2019 16:01:46 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] TVC stories In-Reply-To: <0FAF9E61-0082-4337-AEB1-36E1BB8450F3@mac.com> References: <83c28114-a6c2-c59c-885a-74c9f5dbed45@ntlworld.com> <2020f00f-5d32-5fec-8d5c-52099a5dd87b@gmail.com> <1AE3AC80C3D04359BAE603BA18D28260@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> <248cb4e2-6fdc-8893-381d-4ebe4805730a@gmail.com> <5c617a80.1c69fb81.81e74.8930@mx.google.com> <0FAF9E61-0082-4337-AEB1-36E1BB8450F3@mac.com> Message-ID: <24ada709-219a-58b9-88bf-8f361c432d18@howell61.f9.co.uk> To make things _really_ interesting an incoming circuit would become an outgoing one the following day, or maybe not! Hibou. On 11/02/2019 14:49, Mike Giles wrote: > How right you are, John. I also remember that there was no logic to > the sequence of circuits on their jackfield, so that when they > transferred from one match venue to another, it wasn?t just a case of > moving each cord to be next to its previous neighbour, but they ended > up in a totally different order, with consequent tangling of > double-enders. Dave Wharton used to go up and sort things out, but > after one particular hiatus, all non-local staff had their pass > accreditation for the MCR rescinded. The prize quotation from the > Mexican Host Broadcaster?s spokesman, when responding to criticism of > the number of failed transmissions on the first day (including the > Brazil match to Brazil!) was ?We didn?t realise how many people would > want to speak at once!? > > > Mike G > > >> On 11 Feb 2019, at 14:00, John Howell via Tech1 > > wrote: >> >> I seem to remember the Mexican Control Room staff did the same thing >> during the World Cup in 1986 didn't they Mike (Giles)? >> >> Hibou. >> >> >> On 11/02/2019 13:37, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: >>> A near disaster, years ago: >>> A big music show in 1967, a version of The Mikado, called Titipu, >>> required links between the orchestra in TC3, with the action set in >>> TC4. We had spent the best part of two days setting up the tie >>> lines, via CAR, and were ready to record as soon as we got in on the >>> third day. Horror! None of the linking circuits were there! >>> Overnight, the CAR shift had changed and no-one had thought to >>> gather and label all the double-enders on the jackfield, so the >>> incoming shift had cleared it and broken down all the connections. >>> In TC4 sound gallery, we struggled to remember what had been set up >>> ? all the comms lines/talkback/music feeds etc. >>> We managed somehow, and prevented the director from blowing his top, >>> but David Croft was always pretty calm. >>> It was a good production and I have a sound-only recording of it. >>> The cast is listed on IMDb (includes Harry Worth, Richard Wattis & >>> Hattie Jacques). >>> Regards >>> Pat >>> Sent fromMail for >>> Windows 10 >>> *From:*Bernard Newnham via Tech1 >>> *Sent:*11 February 2019 12:37 >>> *To:*tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> *Subject:*Re: [Tech1] TC tour >>> I've started to build the TC studio stories page. >>> >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/next/2019/02/television-centre-google-streetview-tour-page-build-in-progress/ >>> >>> So far I have one story in, from David Newbitt, and one being >>> written.? Please send more >>> >>> B >>> >>> >>> Virus-free.www.avast.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From patheigham at amps.net Mon Feb 11 10:10:24 2019 From: patheigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2019 16:10:24 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] TC tour In-Reply-To: <221A2D4F-56B5-48CA-9E3E-4EF48DB321C5@icloud.com> References: <83c28114-a6c2-c59c-885a-74c9f5dbed45@ntlworld.com> <2020f00f-5d32-5fec-8d5c-52099a5dd87b@gmail.com> <1AE3AC80C3D04359BAE603BA18D28260@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> <248cb4e2-6fdc-8893-381d-4ebe4805730a@gmail.com> <221A2D4F-56B5-48CA-9E3E-4EF48DB321C5@icloud.com> Message-ID: <5c619e70.1c69fb81.3c33.11f9@mx.google.com> Well, Graeme, you must have signalled something to attract attention! Not a TVC story, but I worked in Thailand on a Bond, and we had to have a Gamma Globulin jab against Hepatitis, So we went to the unit nurse (a very attractive, but large Australian lady), for this. Wandering in, I said; ?Left arm or Right arm?? She replied: ?Neither, it?s in yer bum! Drop your pants!? It hurt! Pat From: Graeme Wall via Tech1 Sent: 11 February 2019 12:52 To: Bernard Newnham Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] TC tour Obviously it involved me taking my trousers off and I never realised so many make-up girls ?worked? on that show and all had to come into the room during the procedings. ? Graeme Wall --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From patheigham at amps.net Mon Feb 11 11:07:56 2019 From: patheigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2019 17:07:56 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Lip synch on BBC1 HD news at 11pm Sunday In-Reply-To: <13556152-F6C4-49AD-BFF4-23ACC66A8367@mac.com> References: <13556152-F6C4-49AD-BFF4-23ACC66A8367@mac.com> Message-ID: <5c61abec.1c69fb81.43f8.b8ab@mx.google.com> Isn?t it still a problem with the decoding circuits on whatever TV one has, work at different speeds with regard to vision and audio? If the picture is ?fussy? then that takes longer to display. I tried for sometime to correlate sync on News, viewing via my ?Smart? Samsung TV, and also via a DVD player that accessed the Internet. Result ? useless, as no sooner had I got it right, then the next contribution was ?out?. I think that no-one cares anymore. Is the attitude that all the viewers are likened to The Royle Family and are couch potatoes, and don?t notice? I get irritated when a satellite link from a reporter takes time for the cue to be given, and the cut to the on-the-spot person is left with them with ?egg-on-the-face? for a few moments, when the hand-over should be seamless. Would it look better if the studio newsreader shot was held a fraction longer before cutting to the sat feed? Or insert a still of the location with the reporters name? Those of us that worked at TVC in the 60?s, and those that operated ?Pres? took a pride in the presentation. Seems that ?Management? has thrown the baby (dedicated staff) out with the bathwater (TVC, or BBC Television). Regards Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Mike Giles via Tech1 Sent: 11 February 2019 13:28 To: vernon.dyer; Tech Ops Subject: Re: [Tech1] Lip synch on BBC1 HD news at 11pm Sunday I?m always surprised that on-demand from BBC iPlayer and ITN is sometimes out of sync, but pausing and re-starting puts it right (ish). A well-respected BBC installation engineer once told us that it was impossible for embedded audio to lose sync - if it was right when embedded, it would always be right when decoded. But we were able to demonstrate otherwise, weren?t we, Hibou? Mike G --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rogerbunce at btinternet.com Mon Feb 11 11:22:44 2019 From: rogerbunce at btinternet.com (ROGER BUNCE) Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2019 17:22:44 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Tech1] Prem. Ops. and Mark Hatcher References: <723435226.2863097.1549905764088.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <723435226.2863097.1549905764088@mail.yahoo.com> Interesting little Video, made by Jamie Langton, and posted on the Facebook group BBC TVC, all about the work of Prep. Ops. at TC Centre. The bit that appealed to me most, was an impromptu starring role for Mark Hatcher, esteemed Cameraman and fish-killer, right at the beginning. Anyone know what became of him? luv, Rog. BBC Feeling Secure - Producer/Director Jamie Langton | | | | | | | | | | | BBC Feeling Secure - Producer/Director Jamie Langton This training film presented by former That's Life presenter Doc Cox (AKA Ivor Biggun) and trainee presenter Col... | | | -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From waresound at msn.com Mon Feb 11 11:58:09 2019 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2019 17:58:09 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Prem. Ops. and Mark Hatcher In-Reply-To: <723435226.2863097.1549905764088@mail.yahoo.com> References: <723435226.2863097.1549905764088.ref@mail.yahoo.com>, <723435226.2863097.1549905764088@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Test, please ignore. Nick. Sent from my iPad On 11 Feb 2019, at 17:23, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 > wrote: Interesting little Video, made by Jamie Langton, and posted on the Facebook group BBC TVC, all about the work of Prep. Ops. at TC Centre. The bit that appealed to me most, was an impromptu starring role for Mark Hatcher, esteemed Cameraman and fish-killer, right at the beginning. Anyone know what became of him? luv, Rog. BBC Feeling Secure - Producer/Director Jamie Langton [https://s.yimg.com/nq/storm/assets/enhancrV2/23/logos/vimeo.png] BBC Feeling Secure - Producer/Director Jamie Langton This training film presented by former That's Life presenter Doc Cox (AKA Ivor Biggun) and trainee presenter Col... -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mibridge at mac.com Mon Feb 11 13:25:34 2019 From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles) Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2019 19:25:34 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Lip synch on BBC1 HD news at 11pm Sunday In-Reply-To: <5c61abec.1c69fb81.43f8.b8ab@mx.google.com> References: <13556152-F6C4-49AD-BFF4-23ACC66A8367@mac.com> <5c61abec.1c69fb81.43f8.b8ab@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <0FFE3AD8-AC62-4DCC-BC85-15B9A9AFEABE@mac.com> I remember writing in very strong terms that the introduction of digital circuits, with their inherent and sometimes unpredictable delays, required an immediate and forceful training schedule for production staff and presenters, to avoid the very egg-on-face situations which you refer to, Pat. But at that stage, only P & ID, or whoever they were at that time, were involved and I never established a meaningful individual to send my message to! Departmental heads, like Head of Sound and Head of Studio Engineering had gone by then and everything was being driven by the availability of new technology and the potential savings and opportunities for expansion which it offered ~ i.e. accountants at the helm, with no consideration for unintended consequences. When Martin Hopkins wanted to introduce VR to the Grandstand set, he called a meeting of all the interested parties except, you?ve guessed it, sound. I was alerted to the attendant issues by John Howell?s report on a VR drama he?d been involved with, so I rang Martin and asked if he knew that he would be introducing problems for presenters on deaf-aids carrying open TB if the gallery monitored the delayed output. He willingly invited me to the meeting, which he then opened by saying that he hadn?t realised there were any considerations other than vision, until he was bollocked by yours truly for leaving sound out! We established a workable system, but it scared the sh*t out of unfamiliar sound staff, as there were so many potential tweaks in the system, starting with getting the gallery staff to work very close to their mics and making sure the mic gains matched the individuals. The extremes were total loss of talkback by the presenter, or the inability to talk coherently because of getting themselves back delayed! None of the other sports producers like VR and it was abandoned after Martin left. Mike G > On 11 Feb 2019, at 17:07, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > > Isn?t it still a problem with the decoding circuits on whatever TV one has, work at different speeds with regard to vision and audio? > If the picture is ?fussy? then that takes longer to display. > I tried for sometime to correlate sync on News, viewing via my ?Smart? Samsung TV, and also via a DVD player that accessed the Internet. Result ? useless, as no sooner had I got it right, then the next contribution was ?out?. > I think that no-one cares anymore. Is the attitude that all the viewers are likened to The Royle Family and are couch potatoes, and don?t notice? > I get irritated when a satellite link from a reporter takes time for the cue to be given, and the cut to the on-the-spot person is left with them with ?egg-on-the-face? for a few moments, when the hand-over should be seamless. > Would it look better if the studio newsreader shot was held a fraction longer before cutting to the sat feed? > Or insert a still of the location with the reporters name? > > Those of us that worked at TVC in the 60?s, and those that operated ?Pres? took a pride in the presentation. > Seems that ?Management? has thrown the baby (dedicated staff) out with the bathwater (TVC, or BBC Television). > Regards > Pat > > > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > From: Mike Giles via Tech1 > Sent: 11 February 2019 13:28 > To: vernon.dyer ; Tech Ops > Subject: Re: [Tech1] Lip synch on BBC1 HD news at 11pm Sunday > > I?m always surprised that on-demand from BBC iPlayer and ITN is sometimes out of sync, but pausing and re-starting puts it right (ish). A well-respected BBC installation engineer once told us that it was impossible for embedded audio to lose sync - if it was right when embedded, it would always be right when decoded. But we were able to demonstrate otherwise, weren?t we, Hibou? > > Mike G > > > > > > Virus-free. www.avast.com -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mibridge at mac.com Mon Feb 11 13:44:08 2019 From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles) Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2019 19:44:08 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Lip synch on BBC1 HD news at 11pm Sunday In-Reply-To: <5c61abec.1c69fb81.43f8.b8ab@mx.google.com> References: <13556152-F6C4-49AD-BFF4-23ACC66A8367@mac.com> <5c61abec.1c69fb81.43f8.b8ab@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <3E320796-0419-4E80-8819-E875C7DF1F9C@mac.com> We have two TV?s from different manufacturers which decode at different rates from each other, but the sound on each is generally in sync with its picture, problematic though if both kitchen and living room doors are open. The same applies to our two DAB radios, both Roberts, but nevertheless, different decoding algorithms, so they are also out of sync with each other. Mike G > On 11 Feb 2019, at 17:07, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > > Isn?t it still a problem with the decoding circuits on whatever TV one has, work at different speeds with regard to vision and audio? > If the picture is ?fussy? then that takes longer to display. > I tried for sometime to correlate sync on News, viewing via my ?Smart? Samsung TV, and also via a DVD player that accessed the Internet. Result ? useless, as no sooner had I got it right, then the next contribution was ?out?. > I think that no-one cares anymore. Is the attitude that all the viewers are likened to The Royle Family and are couch potatoes, and don?t notice? > I get irritated when a satellite link from a reporter takes time for the cue to be given, and the cut to the on-the-spot person is left with them with ?egg-on-the-face? for a few moments, when the hand-over should be seamless. > Would it look better if the studio newsreader shot was held a fraction longer before cutting to the sat feed? > Or insert a still of the location with the reporters name? > > Those of us that worked at TVC in the 60?s, and those that operated ?Pres? took a pride in the presentation. > Seems that ?Management? has thrown the baby (dedicated staff) out with the bathwater (TVC, or BBC Television). > Regards > Pat > > > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > From: Mike Giles via Tech1 > Sent: 11 February 2019 13:28 > To: vernon.dyer ; Tech Ops > Subject: Re: [Tech1] Lip synch on BBC1 HD news at 11pm Sunday > > I?m always surprised that on-demand from BBC iPlayer and ITN is sometimes out of sync, but pausing and re-starting puts it right (ish). A well-respected BBC installation engineer once told us that it was impossible for embedded audio to lose sync - if it was right when embedded, it would always be right when decoded. But we were able to demonstrate otherwise, weren?t we, Hibou? > > Mike G > > > > > > Virus-free. www.avast.com -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From keithwicksuk at gmail.com Tue Feb 12 01:35:17 2019 From: keithwicksuk at gmail.com (Keith Wicks) Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2019 07:35:17 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Lip synch on BBC1 HD news at 11pm Sunday In-Reply-To: <13556152-F6C4-49AD-BFF4-23ACC66A8367@mac.com> References: <13556152-F6C4-49AD-BFF4-23ACC66A8367@mac.com> Message-ID: I think the problem is insufficient speed of the decoder in your receiving equipment. I'm temporarily using a slower-than-usual computer and, like you, I often have to correct an out-of-sync problem (on various programmes) on iPlayer by stopping and restarting. So the installation engineer may have been technically correct. The embedded audio is in sync when received, but the equipment you are using takes too long to decode the video component. KW On Mon, 11 Feb 2019 at 13:28, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: > I?m always surprised that on-demand from BBC iPlayer and ITN is sometimes > out of sync, but pausing and re-starting puts it right (ish). A > well-respected BBC installation engineer once told us that it was > impossible for embedded audio to lose sync - if it was right when embedded, > it would always be right when decoded. But we were able to demonstrate > otherwise, weren?t we, Hibou? > > Mike G > > On 11 Feb 2019, at 12:32, vernon.dyer via Tech1 > wrote: > > > I noticed that. It sometimes happens on my Sky+ box, and usually clears by > the time-honoured method of switch it off and on again, but this was on > Freeview HD. You start to wonder if there actually was anyone in NC! > > > Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. > -------- Original message -------- > From: Geoffrey Hawkes via Tech1 > > The lip synch on BBC1 HD late evening news tonight appeared to be out, > just the newsreader bits. It was fine on SD. I?ve noticed this happening > occasionally before. Does anyone know the reason and why no-one in whatever > passes for NC1 nowadays doesn?t spot it and get someone to correct it? > Geoff Hawkes > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jpn at imixmics.co.uk Tue Feb 12 02:25:59 2019 From: jpn at imixmics.co.uk (John Nottage) Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2019 08:25:59 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] BAFTA on the News Channel In-Reply-To: References: <13556152-F6C4-49AD-BFF4-23ACC66A8367@mac.com> Message-ID: <3af057cf-271d-38ab-803b-ae7da46479d2@imixmics.co.uk> Watching BAFTA Awards progs on the News Channel on Sunday. The Results show had 2 cameras with different timing so his cam was in lip sync, hers wasn't. Mostly hers was wide so it was less obvious. The BAFTA intro show, early evening, was a disaster! Terrible or zero direction, terrible camera work, terrible sound. The presenters' comments rarely referred to what was on the screen. The camera positions were such that they often looking at heads blocking their view. There was lots of crashing zooms on air, including a cameraman zooming in & out wildly as if to show the director "I'm here on a shot of Richard E Grant. Cut to me!" only it was halfway thru' his interview! Perhaps there was no director... John On 12/02/2019 07:35, Keith Wicks via Tech1 wrote: > I think the problem is insufficient speed of the decoder in your > receiving equipment. I'm temporarily using a slower-than-usual computer > and, like you, I often have to correct an out-of-sync problem (on > various programmes) on iPlayer by stopping and restarting. So the > installation engineer may have been technically correct. The embedded > audiois in sync when received, but the equipment you are using takes too > long to decode the video component. > KW > > > On Mon, 11 Feb 2019 at 13:28, Mike Giles via Tech1 > wrote: > > I?m always surprised that on-demand from BBC iPlayer and ITN is > sometimes out of sync, but pausing and re-starting puts it right > (ish). A well-respected BBC installation engineer once told us that > it was impossible for embedded audio to lose sync - if it was right > when embedded, it would always be right when decoded. But we were > able to demonstrate otherwise, weren?t we, Hibou? > > Mike G > > On 11 Feb 2019, at 12:32, vernon.dyer via Tech1 > > wrote: > >> >> I noticed that. It sometimes happens on my Sky+ box, and usually >> clears by the time-honoured method of switch it off and on again, >> but this was on Freeview HD. You start to wonder if there actually >> was anyone in NC! >> >> >> Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. >> -------- Original message -------- >> From: Geoffrey Hawkes via Tech1 >> >> The lip synch on BBC1 HD late evening news tonight appeared to be >> out, just the newsreader bits. It was fine on SD. I?ve noticed >> this happening occasionally before. Does anyone know the reason >> and why no-one in whatever passes for NC1 nowadays doesn?t spot it >> and get someone to correct it? >> Geoff Hawkes >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > From geoffreyhawkes at btinternet.com Tue Feb 12 03:56:59 2019 From: geoffreyhawkes at btinternet.com (Geoffrey Hawkes) Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2019 09:56:59 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Lip synch on BBC1 HD news at 11pm Sunday In-Reply-To: References: <13556152-F6C4-49AD-BFF4-23ACC66A8367@mac.com> Message-ID: Hi Keith, I watch on our Panasonic tv receiver with the terrestrial signal coming from CP. I don't think what you say about the decoder being the problem with lip sync can't be the case with us as sometimes it's OK and sometimes not. The error isn't much, just enough to make you wonder if you're seeing things and to be annoying. I usually switch to SD for the news anyway so we get the regional opt out without interruption and not the message saying that HD isn't yet available in our area. When it will be, is another question, Regards, Geoff Sent from my iPad > On 12 Feb 2019, at 07:35, Keith Wicks via Tech1 wrote: > > I think the problem is insufficient speed of the decoder in your receiving equipment. I'm temporarily using a slower-than-usual computer and, like you, I often have to correct an out-of-sync problem (on various programmes) on iPlayer by stopping and restarting. So the installation engineer may have been technically correct. The embedded audio is in sync when received, but the equipment you are using takes too long to decode the video component. > KW > > >> On Mon, 11 Feb 2019 at 13:28, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: >> I?m always surprised that on-demand from BBC iPlayer and ITN is sometimes out of sync, but pausing and re-starting puts it right (ish). A well-respected BBC installation engineer once told us that it was impossible for embedded audio to lose sync - if it was right when embedded, it would always be right when decoded. But we were able to demonstrate otherwise, weren?t we, Hibou? >> >> Mike G >> >>> On 11 Feb 2019, at 12:32, vernon.dyer via Tech1 wrote: >>> >>> >>> I noticed that. It sometimes happens on my Sky+ box, and usually clears by the time-honoured method of switch it off and on again, but this was on Freeview HD. You start to wonder if there actually was anyone in NC! >>> >>> >>> Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. >>> -------- Original message -------- >>> From: Geoffrey Hawkes via Tech1 >>> >>> The lip synch on BBC1 HD late evening news tonight appeared to be out, just the newsreader bits. It was fine on SD. I?ve noticed this happening occasionally before. Does anyone know the reason and why no-one in whatever passes for NC1 nowadays doesn?t spot it and get someone to correct it? >>> Geoff Hawkes >>> >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Dave Buckley --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From patheigham at amps.net Tue Feb 12 04:40:37 2019 From: patheigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2019 10:40:37 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Lip synch In-Reply-To: <003301d4c2bc$4f13e0d0$ed3ba270$@sky.com> References: <003301d4c2bc$4f13e0d0$ed3ba270$@sky.com> Message-ID: <5c62a2a5.1c69fb81.4eaf.66d0@mx.google.com> I applaud Michael Portillo?s timing of his ?to camera? delivery as a train approaches from behind him, finishing the piece as the train comes to a stop. I don?t think that there had been the possibility of rehearsing having the train backed up! Just careful anticipation. Re: my earlier remarks about the delay when cutting to a sat feed of remote reporter ? wouldn?t it be possible to pre-cue the reporter a mite earlier, like cueing TK to run up ? or has that skill been totally forgotten? More like that nobody has a clue anymore. Harrummpphh! Pat (enjoying being a grumpy old f**t!) Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Dave Buckley via Tech1 Sent: 12 February 2019 10:18 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: [Tech1] Lip synch I watched the first programme of Mr.Portillo's trip round Northern Ireland/Southwest Scotland, on delay yesterday evening, and it was a good two frames out of synch! I tried restarting from the top, then pausing, but nothing worked, so I tolerated it. Pity, as I have a high regard for his train programmes (and he is also an old boy of my school). Dave Buckley --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mikej at bmanor.co.uk Tue Feb 12 04:57:50 2019 From: mikej at bmanor.co.uk (Mike Jordan) Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2019 10:57:50 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] Lip synch In-Reply-To: <003301d4c2bc$4f13e0d0$ed3ba270$@sky.com> References: <003301d4c2bc$4f13e0d0$ed3ba270$@sky.com> Message-ID: <81338F80967446EB8C16C317B01DD570@Gigabyte> I recorded this off Freesat and edited out start/end as I always do (and adverts) in Video redo program without really listening to lipsync. Going back to it today, I agree it is miles out! The program allows audio timing correction and levels and so I experimented. After a couple of tries, I got to an advance of 103ms and that made it right. I will now check all editions as transmitted!! Where will it all end? Obviously some time in an audio explosion before the earth explodes in a flash of light! Mike -----Original Message----- From: Dave Buckley via Tech1 Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2019 10:18 AM To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: [Tech1] Lip synch I watched the first programme of Mr.Portillo's trip round Northern Ireland/Southwest Scotland, on delay yesterday evening, and it was a good two frames out of synch! I tried restarting from the top, then pausing, but nothing worked, so I tolerated it. Pity, as I have a high regard for his train programmes (and he is also an old boy of my school). Dave Buckley --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From billjenkin67 at gmail.com Tue Feb 12 05:36:43 2019 From: billjenkin67 at gmail.com (Bill Jenkin) Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2019 11:36:43 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] BAFTA on the News Channel In-Reply-To: <3af057cf-271d-38ab-803b-ae7da46479d2@imixmics.co.uk> References: <13556152-F6C4-49AD-BFF4-23ACC66A8367@mac.com> <3af057cf-271d-38ab-803b-ae7da46479d2@imixmics.co.uk> Message-ID: I don't know about the rest of it but I do know that the violent zooming in and out was a camera fault. B On Tue, 12 Feb 2019, 08:26 John Nottage via Tech1 Watching BAFTA Awards progs on the News Channel on Sunday. The Results > show had 2 cameras with different timing so his cam was in lip sync, > hers wasn't. Mostly hers was wide so it was less obvious. > > The BAFTA intro show, early evening, was a disaster! Terrible or zero > direction, terrible camera work, terrible sound. The presenters' > comments rarely referred to what was on the screen. The camera positions > were such that they often looking at heads blocking their view. There > was lots of crashing zooms on air, including a cameraman zooming in & > out wildly as if to show the director "I'm here on a shot of Richard E > Grant. Cut to me!" only it was halfway thru' his interview! Perhaps > there was no director... > > John > > On 12/02/2019 07:35, Keith Wicks via Tech1 wrote: > > I think the problem is insufficient speed of the decoder in your > > receiving equipment. I'm temporarily using a slower-than-usual computer > > and, like you, I often have to correct an out-of-sync problem (on > > various programmes) on iPlayer by stopping and restarting. So the > > installation engineer may have been technically correct. The embedded > > audiois in sync when received, but the equipment you are using takes too > > long to decode the video component. > > KW > > > > > > On Mon, 11 Feb 2019 at 13:28, Mike Giles via Tech1 > > wrote: > > > > I?m always surprised that on-demand from BBC iPlayer and ITN is > > sometimes out of sync, but pausing and re-starting puts it right > > (ish). A well-respected BBC installation engineer once told us that > > it was impossible for embedded audio to lose sync - if it was right > > when embedded, it would always be right when decoded. But we were > > able to demonstrate otherwise, weren?t we, Hibou? > > > > Mike G > > > > On 11 Feb 2019, at 12:32, vernon.dyer via Tech1 > > > wrote: > > > >> > >> I noticed that. It sometimes happens on my Sky+ box, and usually > >> clears by the time-honoured method of switch it off and on again, > >> but this was on Freeview HD. You start to wonder if there actually > >> was anyone in NC! > >> > >> > >> Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. > >> -------- Original message -------- > >> From: Geoffrey Hawkes via Tech1 > >> > >> The lip synch on BBC1 HD late evening news tonight appeared to be > >> out, just the newsreader bits. It was fine on SD. I?ve noticed > >> this happening occasionally before. Does anyone know the reason > >> and why no-one in whatever passes for NC1 nowadays doesn?t spot it > >> and get someone to correct it? > >> Geoff Hawkes > >> > >> -- > >> Tech1 mailing list > >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- > > Tech1 mailing list > > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > > > > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bernie833 at gmail.com Tue Feb 12 06:03:57 2019 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2019 12:03:57 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Lip synch In-Reply-To: <5c62a2a5.1c69fb81.4eaf.66d0@mx.google.com> References: <003301d4c2bc$4f13e0d0$ed3ba270$@sky.com> <5c62a2a5.1c69fb81.4eaf.66d0@mx.google.com> Message-ID: I don't think anyone has beaten this (in the correct aspect ratio) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2WoDQBhJCVQ B On 12/02/2019 10:40, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > > I applaud Michael Portillo?s timing of his ?to camera? delivery as a > train approaches from behind him, finishing the piece as the train > comes to a stop. > > I don?t think that there had been the possibility of rehearsing having > the train backed up! Just careful anticipation. > > Re: my earlier remarks about the delay when cutting to a sat feed of > remote reporter ? wouldn?t it be possible to pre-cue the reporter a > mite earlier, like cueing TK to run up ? or has that skill been > totally forgotten? More like that nobody has a clue anymore. > > Harrummpphh! > > Pat (enjoying being a grumpy old f**t!) > > Sent from Mail for > Windows 10 > > *From: *Dave Buckley via Tech1 > *Sent: *12 February 2019 10:18 > *To: *tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > *Subject: *[Tech1] Lip synch > > I watched the first programme of Mr.Portillo's trip round Northern > > Ireland/Southwest Scotland, on delay yesterday evening, and it was a good > > two frames out of synch! > > I tried restarting from the top, then pausing, but nothing worked, so I > > tolerated it. 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URL: From peter.neill at icloud.com Tue Feb 12 06:09:46 2019 From: peter.neill at icloud.com (Peter Neill) Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2019 17:39:46 +0530 Subject: [Tech1] Lip synch In-Reply-To: <5c62a2a5.1c69fb81.4eaf.66d0@mx.google.com> References: <003301d4c2bc$4f13e0d0$ed3ba270$@sky.com> <5c62a2a5.1c69fb81.4eaf.66d0@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Some directors do (BBC South East Today are very good at it) but some reporters are a bit afraid of starting to speak when they can still hear a presenter in their ear. And then it falls apart when there is an ad lib Q&A with the presenter. As to Geoff?s point about HD regional opts. It will happen, but it?s neither straightforward nor cheap. The first point is that the Beeb is determined to make it ?platform agnostic? which means paying for another dozen or so HD satellite channels for, at most, an hour of regional tv per day. They are already working on a centralised opting system whereby instead of network being fed to all the regional centres and the opted feed back to London for distribution, the local programmes are sent to London and all switching is done there. This will be a start to the process. Few regions are HD capable at the moment, although they shoot the stories in HD but downcovert for the edit. London and Manchester studios are HD but transmission isn?t. As they?re refurbished they will be made HD capable. The red screens are a deliberate ploy to encourage viewers to switch to the SD version and watch the local news. In the past it was said that they didn?t want some regions broadcasting in HD and not others?there would be inevitable accusations of metropolitan bias?but I suspect that when the infrastructure is there all regions will be added as and when. What we don?t want is what ITV have implemented in my area (East Anglia)?upscaled SD of the wrong region! Best Peter Neill Sent from my iPhone. Apologies for typos and autocorruptions. > On 12 Feb 2019, at 16:10, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > > I applaud Michael Portillo?s timing of his ?to camera? delivery as a train approaches from behind him, finishing the piece as the train comes to a stop. > I don?t think that there had been the possibility of rehearsing having the train backed up! Just careful anticipation. > Re: my earlier remarks about the delay when cutting to a sat feed of remote reporter ? wouldn?t it be possible to pre-cue the reporter a mite earlier, like cueing TK to run up ? or has that skill been totally forgotten? More like that nobody has a clue anymore. > Harrummpphh! > Pat (enjoying being a grumpy old f**t!) > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > From: Dave Buckley via Tech1 > Sent: 12 February 2019 10:18 > To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > Subject: [Tech1] Lip synch > > I watched the first programme of Mr.Portillo's trip round Northern > Ireland/Southwest Scotland, on delay yesterday evening, and it was a good > two frames out of synch! > > I tried restarting from the top, then pausing, but nothing worked, so I > tolerated it. Pity, as I have a high regard for his train programmes (and he > is also an old boy of my school). > > Dave Buckley > > > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > > Virus-free. www.avast.com > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From david.jasma at sky.com Tue Feb 12 07:39:38 2019 From: david.jasma at sky.com (Dave Buckley) Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2019 13:39:38 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] Lip synch and James Burke Message-ID: <001501d4c2d8$669c70c0$33d55240$@sky.com> I remember this programme when it went, Sometime later, the director came to give a lecture for TV Training, showed this clip and explained how it was done. For a start, there was a second camera running lined up on a clean shot of the launch pad, so that if James fluffed, there was a backup shot that could be used. As James was speaking, the PA was listening to a countdown - probably from NASA, but for some reason, this stopped prior to the launch and they had to use a local radio station that was relaying the countdown. (I'm delving into memories of long ago, so I may not have got this line absolutely correct, bit I do remember there was a problem hearing the countdown). I had a look at the comments under the clip and a few of them pointed out that the shot of James from when he enters frame until the ignition sequence is 12 - 14 seconds so really it's just a question of timing the link and working out when James should start speaking so that he ends as the rocket ignites. In a similar vein, when Michael Portillo does his end piece to camera, time the words, time any incoming train to the station, and then work out where the train has to be so that it stops when Michael stops. As a meerkat would say - simple. Dave Buckley --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From gary_critcher at yahoo.com Tue Feb 12 07:45:21 2019 From: gary_critcher at yahoo.com (Gary Critcher) Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2019 13:45:21 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Tech1] Lip synch and James Burke References: <1288393232.3818736.1549979121517.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1288393232.3818736.1549979121517@mail.yahoo.com> Whatever did happen with James Burke? The last thing I think I remember him in was 'Connections'. -------------------------------------------- On Tue, 12/2/19, Dave Buckley via Tech1 wrote: Subject: [Tech1] Lip synch and James Burke To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Date: Tuesday, 12 February, 2019, 14:39 I remember this programme when it went, Sometime later, the director came to give a lecture for TV Training, showed this clip and explained how it was done. For a start, there was a second camera running lined up on a clean shot of the launch pad, so that if James fluffed, there was a backup shot that could be used. As James was speaking, the PA was listening to a countdown - probably from NASA, but for some reason, this stopped prior to the launch and they had to use a local radio station that was relaying the countdown. (I'm delving into memories of long ago, so I may not have got this line absolutely correct, bit I do remember? there was a problem hearing the countdown). I had a look at the comments under the clip and a few of them pointed out that the shot of James from when he enters frame until the ignition sequence is 12 - 14 seconds so really it's just a question of timing the link and working out when James should start speaking so that he ends as the rocket ignites. In a similar vein, when Michael Portillo does his end piece to camera, time the words, time any incoming train to the station, and then work out where the train has to be so that it stops when Michael stops. As a meerkat would say - simple. Dave Buckley --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From patheigham at amps.net Tue Feb 12 08:11:09 2019 From: patheigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2019 14:11:09 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Lip synch and James Burke In-Reply-To: <1288393232.3818736.1549979121517@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1288393232.3818736.1549979121517.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1288393232.3818736.1549979121517@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5c62d3fc.1c69fb81.b7b99.1033@mx.google.com> According to Wikipedia, he?s probably still alive, at age 82. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Burke_%28science_historian% I remember Raymond Baxter from ?Tomorrow?s World? Much later, I went to record an interview with him at his home near Marlow, I think, and he admitted that he hadn?t a clue what he was talking about, but learned the spiel and delivered brilliantly. Anyway, someone who flew Spitfires during the war is A1 in my book! Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Gary Critcher via Tech1 Sent: 12 February 2019 13:45 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk; Dave Buckley Subject: Re: [Tech1] Lip synch and James Burke Whatever did happen with James Burke? The last thing I think I remember him in was 'Connections'. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From patheigham at amps.net Tue Feb 12 08:21:16 2019 From: patheigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2019 14:21:16 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Satellite cueing In-Reply-To: References: <003301d4c2bc$4f13e0d0$ed3ba270$@sky.com> <5c62a2a5.1c69fb81.4eaf.66d0@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <5c62d65b.1c69fb81.f88ea.7449@mx.google.com> My point about pre-empting the cue to the remote reporter, stems from being a gram-op. One had to take one?s own timing and anticipate the ?cue grams? because if you waited for the director?s cue on talkback, by the time that had been assimilated, and the brain sent the message to the ?finger on the button?, it would be late! Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Peter Neill via Tech1 Sent: 12 February 2019 12:10 To: Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Lip synch Some directors do (BBC South East Today are very good at it) but some reporters are a bit afraid of starting to speak when they can still hear a presenter in their ear. And then it falls apart when there is an ad lib Q&A with the presenter.? --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From martindilly20 at gmail.com Tue Feb 12 08:24:30 2019 From: martindilly20 at gmail.com (Martin Dilly) Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2019 14:24:30 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Lip synch and James Burke In-Reply-To: <5c62d3fc.1c69fb81.b7b99.1033@mx.google.com> References: <1288393232.3818736.1549979121517.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1288393232.3818736.1549979121517@mail.yahoo.com> <5c62d3fc.1c69fb81.b7b99.1033@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Burke certainly did well to fly Spitfires during the War, as he'd have been nine when it ended. I was a year older and had to wait another six years to get my hands on a stick. The thing I recall about his presenting during the moon missions is that he was babbling away trying to explain it all in near kiddy-speak, when we'd just cut away from the US end, which had an interview with one of the engineers who'd actually designed some of the kit. Why on earth does this country seem to have to have everything dumbed down? Martin On 12/02/2019 14:11, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > > According to Wikipedia, he?s probably still alive, at age 82. > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Burke_%28science_historian% > > > I remember Raymond Baxter from ?Tomorrow?s World? Much later, I went > to record an interview with him at his home near Marlow, I think, and > he admitted that he hadn?t a clue what he was talking about, but > learned the spiel and delivered brilliantly. > > Anyway, someone who flew Spitfires during the war is A1 in my book! > > Pat > > Sent from Mail for > Windows 10 > > *From: *Gary Critcher via Tech1 > *Sent: *12 February 2019 13:45 > *To: *tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk ; Dave Buckley > > *Subject: *Re: [Tech1] Lip synch and James Burke > > Whatever did happen with James Burke? > > The last thing I think I remember him in was 'Connections'. > > > > Virus-free. www.avast.com > > > > <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From patheigham at amps.net Tue Feb 12 08:39:55 2019 From: patheigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2019 14:39:55 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Lip synch and James Burke In-Reply-To: References: <1288393232.3818736.1549979121517.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1288393232.3818736.1549979121517@mail.yahoo.com> <5c62d3fc.1c69fb81.b7b99.1033@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <5c62dabb.1c69fb81.6cb67.07f5@mx.google.com> Hi Martin. It was Raymond who was the Spitfire pilot! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raymond_Baxter Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Martin Dilly via Tech1 Sent: 12 February 2019 14:24 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Lip synch and James Burke Burke certainly did well to fly Spitfires during the War, as he'd have been nine when it ended. I was a year older and had to wait another six years to get my hands on a stick. The thing I recall about his presenting during the moon missions is that he was babbling away trying to explain it all in near kiddy-speak, when we'd just cut away from the US end, which had an interview with one of the engineers who'd actually designed some of the kit. Why on earth does this country seem to have to have everything dumbed down?? Martin On 12/02/2019 14:11, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: According to Wikipedia, he?s probably still alive, at age 82. ? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Burke_%28science_historian% ? I remember Raymond Baxter from ?Tomorrow?s World? Much later, I went to record an interview with him at his home near Marlow, I think, and he admitted that he hadn?t a clue what he was talking about, but learned the spiel and delivered brilliantly. Anyway, someone who flew Spitfires during the war is A1 in my book! ? Pat ? Sent from Mail for Windows 10 ? From: Gary Critcher via Tech1 Sent: 12 February 2019 13:45 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk; Dave Buckley Subject: Re: [Tech1] Lip synch and James Burke ? Whatever did happen with James Burke? The last thing I think I remember him in was 'Connections'. ? ? ? ? ? Virus-free. www.avast.com --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hays.jfrank at gmail.com Tue Feb 12 08:43:05 2019 From: hays.jfrank at gmail.com (John Hays) Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2019 14:43:05 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Boom cables Message-ID: Re the comments on slinging boom cables. I was surprised that anyone was allowed to enter the grid as it was strictly forbidden unless it was properly organised. This involved negotiating with the floor manager to clear the drop zone and getting it properly policed. Obviously this cannot be done during rehearsal time nor during rigging time, the floor being a hive of industry. During thirty or so years working in TVC , twenty of them leader of a sound crew, I never once needed to sling boom cables from the grid.I was always keen to sling cables to free up floor space for cameras, but flying cables via a scene hook was always sufficient.Problems with the derig would be horrendous, try telling props and scene crew to clear the studio while you are up in the grid ! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From robert.miles at soundsuper.co.uk Tue Feb 12 09:23:07 2019 From: robert.miles at soundsuper.co.uk (Robert Miles) Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2019 15:23:07 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] James Burke Message-ID: <006101d4c2e6$dd6b2440$98416cc0$@soundsuper.co.uk> JB made a radio programme recently - https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b09jvfc4 Rob Subject: Re: [Tech1] Lip synch and James Burke Whatever did happen with James Burke? The last thing I think I remember him in was 'Connections'. From alan_machin at hotmail.com Tue Feb 12 10:10:11 2019 From: alan_machin at hotmail.com (alan machin) Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2019 16:10:11 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Lip synch and James Burke In-Reply-To: <5c62d3fc.1c69fb81.b7b99.1033@mx.google.com> References: <1288393232.3818736.1549979121517.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1288393232.3818736.1549979121517@mail.yahoo.com>, <5c62d3fc.1c69fb81.b7b99.1033@mx.google.com> Message-ID: I remember coverage of one of the Apollo missions being linked by James Burke and Patrick Moore in a TVC studio. During a quiet moment in a long transmission one of them nipped out for a comfort break but got stuck in the toilet. By the time he was released, seated back in the studio and recovered, the other had been filling for several minutes before seamlessly extending the discussion as though nothing had happened. Unfortunately at this distance I cannot now remember whether it was Patrick or James who went missing leaving the other to cover! Either was perfectly capable of ad-libbing intelligently for long periods. Perhaps someone with a better memory remembers the incident? Alan Machin. ________________________________ From: Tech1 on behalf of patheigham via Tech1 Sent: 12 February 2019 14:11 To: Gary Critcher; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk; Dave Buckley Subject: Re: [Tech1] Lip synch and James Burke According to Wikipedia, he?s probably still alive, at age 82. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Burke_%28science_historian% I remember Raymond Baxter from ?Tomorrow?s World? Much later, I went to record an interview with him at his home near Marlow, I think, and he admitted that he hadn?t a clue what he was talking about, but learned the spiel and delivered brilliantly. Anyway, someone who flew Spitfires during the war is A1 in my book! Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Gary Critcher via Tech1 Sent: 12 February 2019 13:45 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk; Dave Buckley Subject: Re: [Tech1] Lip synch and James Burke Whatever did happen with James Burke? The last thing I think I remember him in was 'Connections'. [https://ipmcdn.avast.com/images/icons/icon-envelope-tick-round-orange-animated-no-repeat-v1.gif] Virus-free. www.avast.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From relong at btinternet.com Tue Feb 12 10:12:24 2019 From: relong at btinternet.com (Roger E Long) Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2019 16:12:24 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Lip synch and James Burke In-Reply-To: <5c62d3fc.1c69fb81.b7b99.1033@mx.google.com> References: <1288393232.3818736.1549979121517.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1288393232.3818736.1549979121517@mail.yahoo.com> <5c62d3fc.1c69fb81.b7b99.1033@mx.google.com> Message-ID: James Burke Connections is on R4 It doesn?t work so well on Radio imho Mr Burke was in the US for a long time > On 12 Feb 2019, at 14:11, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > > According to Wikipedia, he?s probably still alive, at age 82. > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Burke_%28science_historian% > > I remember Raymond Baxter from ?Tomorrow?s World? Much later, I went to record an interview with him at his home near Marlow, I think, and he admitted that he hadn?t a clue what he was talking about, but learned the spiel and delivered brilliantly. > Anyway, someone who flew Spitfires during the war is A1 in my book! > > Pat > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > From: Gary Critcher via Tech1 > Sent: 12 February 2019 13:45 > To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk ; Dave Buckley > Subject: Re: [Tech1] Lip synch and James Burke > > Whatever did happen with James Burke? > The last thing I think I remember him in was 'Connections'. > > > > > > > Virus-free. www.avast.com -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From barrybonner119 at btinternet.com Tue Feb 12 10:22:20 2019 From: barrybonner119 at btinternet.com (Barry Bonner) Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2019 16:22:20 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Lip synch In-Reply-To: <5c62a2a5.1c69fb81.4eaf.66d0@mx.google.com> References: <003301d4c2bc$4f13e0d0$ed3ba270$@sky.com> <5c62a2a5.1c69fb81.4eaf.66d0@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Cueing the man before he?s heard the end of the question?s not a good idea! Barry. On 12 Feb 2019, at 10:40, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > I applaud Michael Portillo?s timing of his ?to camera? delivery as a train approaches from behind him, finishing the piece as the train comes to a stop. > I don?t think that there had been the possibility of rehearsing having the train backed up! Just careful anticipation. > Re: my earlier remarks about the delay when cutting to a sat feed of remote reporter ? wouldn?t it be possible to pre-cue the reporter a mite earlier, like cueing TK to run up ? or has that skill been totally forgotten? More like that nobody has a clue anymore. > Harrummpphh! > Pat (enjoying being a grumpy old f**t!) > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > From: Dave Buckley via Tech1 > Sent: 12 February 2019 10:18 > To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > Subject: [Tech1] Lip synch > > I watched the first programme of Mr.Portillo's trip round Northern > Ireland/Southwest Scotland, on delay yesterday evening, and it was a good > two frames out of synch! > > I tried restarting from the top, then pausing, but nothing worked, so I > tolerated it. Pity, as I have a high regard for his train programmes (and he > is also an old boy of my school). > > Dave Buckley > > > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > > Virus-free. www.avast.com > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From patheigham at amps.net Tue Feb 12 10:41:30 2019 From: patheigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2019 16:41:30 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Lip synch In-Reply-To: References: <003301d4c2bc$4f13e0d0$ed3ba270$@sky.com> <5c62a2a5.1c69fb81.4eaf.66d0@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <5c62f73a.1c69fb81.69b79.69b3@mx.google.com> It?s not a Q & A I refer to, just the handover from News Studio to remote. All this modern sat comms is not as wonderful as it?s cracked up to be! Re: sync ? remember the brilliant sequence in ?Singin? in the Rain? when the sound goes wildly out of sync. Another bugbear with me is the audio quality of phone-in reports, ?Today? R4 is very guilty of v. poor audio quality. Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Barry Bonner Sent: 12 February 2019 16:22 To: patrickheigham Cc: Dave Buckley; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Lip synch Cueing the man before he?s heard the end of the question?s not a good idea! Barry. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From peter.neill at icloud.com Tue Feb 12 10:53:22 2019 From: peter.neill at icloud.com (Peter Neill) Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2019 22:23:22 +0530 Subject: [Tech1] Satellite cueing In-Reply-To: <01d701d4c2e9$7ccdd620$76698260$@pgtmedia.co.uk> References: <003301d4c2bc$4f13e0d0$ed3ba270$@sky.com> <5c62a2a5.1c69fb81.4eaf.66d0@mx.google.com> <5c62d65b.1c69fb81.f88ea.7449@mx.google.com> <01d701d4c2e9$7ccdd620$76698260$@pgtmedia.co.uk> Message-ID: <26D2FA65-CB96-4A4A-B66E-447829657797@icloud.com> As I mentioned earlier, BBC SET does try hard to get this right. Normally, when lining up, the TM will measure the delay and pass this info to the director. It?s not just satellites that cause the problem WMT (I forget what it stands for) is a system which uses the mobile phone system. Usually 6 SIM cards split over 3 networks. The bit rate can be adjusted and it?s a question of quality v speed. So the highest stable rate will be used to feed the report but it may be reduced for the 2-way to keep the delay acceptable. And an early cue can be given to a presenter picking up off the back of a VT (customary title, other playout formats are available). Peter Neill Sent from my iPhone. Apologies for typos and autocorruptions. > On 12 Feb 2019, at 21:11, paul at pgtmedia.co.uk wrote: > > Difficult to pre-empt as you do not know the length of the delay until you have spoken a few times (Generally no rehearsal ) > A known director or TK machine has a known delay, a newly established link is un predictable delay. For a 2 way you need to wait for the end of the question , or you may end up answering the question you think they have asked , not the one you were asked! > > Paul > > From: Tech1 On Behalf Of patheigham via Tech1 > Sent: 12 February 2019 14:21 > To: Peter Neill ; Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > Subject: Re: [Tech1] Satellite cueing > > My point about pre-empting the cue to the remote reporter, stems from being a gram-op. One had to take one?s own timing and anticipate the ?cue grams? because if you waited for the director?s cue on talkback, by the time that had been assimilated, and the brain sent the message to the ?finger on the button?, it would be late! > > Pat > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > From: Peter Neill via Tech1 > Sent: 12 February 2019 12:10 > To: Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > Subject: Re: [Tech1] Lip synch > > Some directors do (BBC South East Today are very good at it) but some reporters are a bit afraid of starting to speak when they can still hear a presenter in their ear. And then it falls apart when there is an ad lib Q&A with the presenter. > > > > > Virus-free. www.avast.com > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From relong at btinternet.com Tue Feb 12 11:00:29 2019 From: relong at btinternet.com (Roger E Long) Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2019 17:00:29 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Satellite cueing In-Reply-To: <5c62d65b.1c69fb81.f88ea.7449@mx.google.com> References: <003301d4c2bc$4f13e0d0$ed3ba270$@sky.com> <5c62a2a5.1c69fb81.4eaf.66d0@mx.google.com> <5c62d65b.1c69fb81.f88ea.7449@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <3C4246C2-4205-426F-AA26-CFAC087C297E@btinternet.com> Fresh from TO24 in '65 we had discovered felt mats for cueing discs whilst DJ ing at the Evesham BBC Club When I had my SM attachment at Bush, slip matt cueing could easily beat the cumbersome RP 2 vernier and drop mechanism , much to the annoyance of panel SMs who had hardly opened the fader in time The vernier was great for spotting segments though and doing edits on the fly for Sports Report footy. Still remember the Club Disco ,all those bused in Worcester Nurses, Guinness and fried egg sandwiches Love Island on a Budget ! Roger > On 12 Feb 2019, at 14:21, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > > My point about pre-empting the cue to the remote reporter, stems from being a gram-op. One had to take one?s own timing and anticipate the ?cue grams? because if you waited for the director?s cue on talkback, by the time that had been assimilated, and the brain sent the message to the ?finger on the button?, it would be late! > > Pat > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > From: Peter Neill via Tech1 > Sent: 12 February 2019 12:10 > To: Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > Subject: Re: [Tech1] Lip synch > > Some directors do (BBC South East Today are very good at it) but some reporters are a bit afraid of starting to speak when they can still hear a presenter in their ear. 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URL: From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net Tue Feb 12 11:21:37 2019 From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt) Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2019 17:21:37 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] First studio experiences Message-ID: <038D2FB53E56457E9DC7A2CEC07A94A5@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> As I lack the technical awareness to contribute to the erudite discussions currently playing out re lip-sync etc., I thought I might resort to a spot more reminiscing. Right back to my first day in a television studio and the weeks that followed. Not because I personally was of any particular interest but because of events which perhaps might be. So in early November 1962, fresh from the one week tech ops induction course at BH, I arrived at Tel. Centre to join Crew 8 engaged on a drama production. Bob Baxter was acting senior cameraman (Rob Warman was on attachment elsewhere), 2,3 and 4 were Johnny Farr, Ron Green and Derek Wright. Camera assistants/Dolly Ops included Mike Fash, Chris Wickham and Pete Fox. Sound crew were, as best I remember, Eddie Curzon, Julian Tolkien, Larry Goodson and Ron Sproston. The TOM was Frank Cresswell ? one of the real old-school gentlemen/ father figure and he it was who first steered me into this unknown world. The drama was a pretty steamy affair and my first memory of being on the studio floor was of Anthony Bate in a torrid scene. Fresh up from Somerset I didn?t know where to look ? talk about ?le Proven?al ? Paris?! Next revelation was the universal use of first names when addressing anyone. I had been brought up to think anything other than Mr or Mrs was disrespectful so to address the goodly Mr Cresswell as Frank was a nervously approached exercise. In the canteen some of the crew were devotees of the fare offered in the healthy eating salad bar attached to the main canteen. I recall ?Vitamin salad at 1/6d with yoghourt and black treacle to follow. Ugh! Well within the 3/- Lunch Voucher though. Derek Wright was a proponent of a regular ?elimination diet? to purify the body. I was as pure as the driven snow so didn?t need it! Mike Fash (who I think went off to Ealing) always called Bob Baxter ?Wally? because he hailed from Wallasey. Not sure that Bob liked it much! I had a room off Pangbourne Avenue (arranged of course by the estimable Jane Twitchet ? hope I?ve got the name right) so my walk to work ran from there via Northpole Road to Scrubbs Lane. Ron Green?s route to work came down Scrubs Lane and he often stopped and gave me a lift in the beautiful Riley RM saloon he had bought from Bob Baxter. So I knew from very early on what an incredibly nice man Ron was. Can there be a more satisfying combination in a human being than consummate mastery of a craft together with warmth, kindness, humour and calm. I thank John Henshall for the informed and affectionate tribute he wrote in the Spring 2010 GTC Journal. Jimmy Moir?s piece was also really good. Life chugged on towards Christmas as I slowly found my feet, not realising I was about to be part of a hugely contentious drama production. Philip Saville was engaged to direct Madhouse on Castle Street starring amongst others Bob Dylan (I understand the recording was destroyed by the Beeb only five years later). Over the rehearsal days I recall the young Bob Dylan permanently looking morose and sullen as he seemed to skulk in and out of the studio. Even given my enjoyment of his performing ?Blowing in the Wind? in the production, I don?t think I could see then the seeds of just how significant he became. Of equal, nay momentous, significance was Philip Saville?s progress (or lack thereof) in the walk/stagger through. Frank Cresswell repeatedly drew his attention in the politest of terms to the need for progress but this was little heeded. On the night of the take things went from bad to worse, with recording time being partly taken up with further rehearsal and an on-time finish looking wildly improbable. Overruns were not exactly unheard of as young innovative directors were gradually shifting the old rigid boundaries away from the adherence to strict schedules. This production however was in a league of its own and Frank had decided it necessary to impose a limit as to just how long it could go on. When that limit was reached and much material still not in the can, Frank?s calm and measured pronouncement came down the talkback ??finished with cameras thank you crew?. I don?t think this had ever happened before. Inevitably we were eventually re-scheduled a further day after Christmas to complete. Would love to have been a fly on the wall at the inquests! Many of you will recall that 1962/63 winter for its fog ? I believe the last of the absolute pea-soupers. Many had to put up overnight at TC as travel was impossible at its peak. I was able to walk and I remember as I came to side roads which had to be crossed that when you looked down you couldn?t actually see the kerb stones ? you had to feel for them with your feet. Dave Newbitt. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From patheigham at amps.net Tue Feb 12 11:48:25 2019 From: patheigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2019 17:48:25 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Nurses for BBC Club & Grams Opping In-Reply-To: <3C4246C2-4205-426F-AA26-CFAC087C297E@btinternet.com> References: <003301d4c2bc$4f13e0d0$ed3ba270$@sky.com> <5c62a2a5.1c69fb81.4eaf.66d0@mx.google.com> <5c62d65b.1c69fb81.f88ea.7449@mx.google.com> <3C4246C2-4205-426F-AA26-CFAC087C297E@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <5c6306e9.1c69fb81.8c764.68e9@mx.google.com> My take on the car service, previously posted, but in true digital fashion, a repeat! Having a vehicle at Evesham meant that volunteer drivers would go to Worcester and collect nurses to come to the dance nights at the club. On STO 21 course ? late October 1966, ?Eric Wallis and I were regular chauffeurs ? it meant we could survey the talent and have first pick! The poor girls that came, were most likely the more desperate, I think, but a night out for them was a bit of fun. The Major handed out petrol money, and if no-one interested us, that got spent over the bar. On the way back, having delivered the girls safely back to the nurses? home, it was usually necessary to stop near Wyre Piddle, and make sure that the stream was in full flow. And on slip discs! In the very early days, Lime Grove galleries were fitted with 78rpm turntables, with radial tracking pickups, and old-fashioned steel needles. It being impossible to back track the discs, one had to groove count before the mod of the effect happened, either by counting turns from the run in, or by gently clicking the needle from groove to groove, on pre-hear. If you got it wrong, it was either late, or halfway through! Later, the DRD5, equipped with a stereo stylus that had vertical compliance, allowed the disc to be rotated backwards from the start of the effect and so cued in with a bit of anticipation. This seems to be the mainstay of the exponents of today?s scratching DJ artistry, but let?s face it, chaps, it?s not new! The turntables equipped in TVC studios had modified Garrard 301 decks with a cam system to raise the turntable, still rotating, up to an aluminium plate holding the disc to be cued. It was possible to pre-cue the ?in? as the disc was up to speed within a quarter revolution. Thus my previous bleat about anticipation. Best Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Roger E Long Sent: 12 February 2019 17:00 To: patheigham Cc: Peter Neill; Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Satellite cueing Fresh from TO24 in '65 we had discovered felt mats for cueing discs whilst DJ ing at the Evesham BBC Club When I had my SM attachment at Bush, slip matt cueing could easily beat the cumbersome RP 2 vernier and drop ?mechanism , much to the annoyance of panel SMs who had hardly opened the fader in time The vernier was great for spotting segments though and doing edits on the fly for Sports Report footy. Still remember the Club Disco ,all those bussed in Worcester Nurses, Guinness and fried egg sandwiches Love Island on a Budget ! Roger --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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All were in synch up to the end of the title sequence for GRJ, when it went out of synch for the rest of the programme! Anyone any ideas. Dave Buckley --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Tue Feb 12 16:29:19 2019 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2019 22:29:19 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Mystery! Message-ID: <4ac3dc3b-62ac-e5cc-5896-0b7c9f27bfe0@btinternet.com> Here's a simple query for all you geniarses out there! I printed out a .pdf file and then wanted a second copy as an afterthought. Attached are scans of the first copy on the right and the second on the left! I have often seen the characters on the left copy but have never seen a 'dictionary' to be able to read them. They are obviously computer-speak, any more info out there? Cheers, Dave. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Mystery!.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 65132 bytes Desc: not available URL: From waresound at msn.com Wed Feb 13 02:10:45 2019 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2019 08:10:45 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Mystery! In-Reply-To: <4ac3dc3b-62ac-e5cc-5896-0b7c9f27bfe0@btinternet.com> References: <4ac3dc3b-62ac-e5cc-5896-0b7c9f27bfe0@btinternet.com> Message-ID: Error codes? They are consistent for each recurring letter. Our Hotpoint washing machine (now thrown back at the manufacturer) came up with E07 (etc) error codes all the time. Are you sure you didn?t print it to your washing machine? Nick. Sent from my iPad On 12 Feb 2019, at 22:29, dave.mdv via Tech1 > wrote: Here's a simple query for all you geniarses out there! I printed out a .pdf file and then wanted a second copy as an afterthought. Attached are scans of the first copy on the right and the second on the left! I have often seen the characters on the left copy but have never seen a 'dictionary' to be able to read them. They are obviously computer-speak, any more info out there? Cheers, Dave. -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alanaudio at me.com Wed Feb 13 02:25:20 2019 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2019 08:25:20 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Lip synch and James Burke In-Reply-To: <001501d4c2d8$669c70c0$33d55240$@sky.com> References: <001501d4c2d8$669c70c0$33d55240$@sky.com> Message-ID: <95D70363-C748-40D8-88F5-D9113D7DF643@me.com> I was working on a detective drama where the script stated that two people in a car park have a brief confrontation followed by a violent fight and at the crucial moment a passing train drowns out the noise. The location manager proposed that the ideal location would be the TVC multi storey car park on a level adjacent to the tube line. The fight was rehearsed, timed carefully and repeated several times to make sure that the timing was consistent. An AFM was positioned high in the East Tower to spot trains approaching. When a train passed a given point they called on the radio and the PA timed how how long before the train passed the cameras. The next time a train passed that point, they waited for a carefully calculated moment before calling "Action". At the end of the sequence, the actors ended up improvising beating hell out of each other for twenty or more seconds before the director called "cut" without any train passing. A re-take was arranged and after the train passed it's mark, the sequence was again cued at the appropriate time, only for the train to rattle past right at the start of the dialogue, well before the fight started. Further investigation revealed that the spotter was alerting us to movements of Central Line trains, while the action was adjacent to the Metropolitan line. Alan Taylor From rogerbunce at btinternet.com Wed Feb 13 02:58:46 2019 From: rogerbunce at btinternet.com (ROGER BUNCE) Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2019 08:58:46 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Tech1] Lip synch In-Reply-To: References: <003301d4c2bc$4f13e0d0$ed3ba270$@sky.com> <5c62a2a5.1c69fb81.4eaf.66d0@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <1798580629.4581184.1550048326337@mail.yahoo.com> Come on Bernie. You know how that was done. He had clock beside the camera, and a P.A. pointing a finger at it! (There again, he could have done a very slick 'Rent-a-Ghost' freeze.) As a young camera sprog, I remember being deeply impressed by the skills of the Weathermen. They were qualified meteorologists, and capable presenters. Because of the vagaries of The News, they had no idea how long they would have to talk for, until they were virtually on air. Consequently they had to work without a script and improvise everything. Yet they always managed to get the necessary information across, in the time-slot available, and come out exactly on time. All done with a P.A. pointing a finger at a clock. There was once a magic show on tele (title forgotten) which consisted entirely of clips of magic acts shot on location. Some acts were impressive, others less so. The the one that really appealed to me was a smooth-talking guy standing in front of a wide river. Two tall factory chimneys were visible in the distance. He was boasting that he could make those chimneys disappear, in broad daylight. "When David Copperfield made the Statue of Liberty disappear," he said, "he couldn't keep it disappeared. It came back again. But when I make those chimneys disappear, they will be gone for ever, never to return!" At the critical moment, he held up a sheet of glittery paper which, by perspective, was enough to hide the chimneys from view. He said the magic words - while, on the distant sound track, we heard, "KER-BOOM!". You can guess the rest. It was all in the timing. luv, Rog. On Tuesday, 12 February 2019, 12:04:26 GMT, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: I don't think anyone has beaten this (in the correct aspect ratio) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2WoDQBhJCVQ B On 12/02/2019 10:40, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: I applaud Michael Portillo?s timing of his ?to camera? delivery as a train approaches from behind him, finishing the piece as the train comes to a stop. I don?t think that there had been the possibility of rehearsing having the train backed up! Just careful anticipation. Re: my earlier remarks about the delay when cutting to a sat feed of remote reporter ? wouldn?t it be possible to pre-cue the reporter a mite earlier, like cueing TK to run up ? or has that skill been totally forgotten? More like that nobody has a clue anymore. Harrummpphh! Pat (enjoying being a grumpy old f**t!) ? Sent from Mail for Windows 10 ? From: Dave Buckley via Tech1 Sent: 12 February 2019 10:18 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: [Tech1] Lip synch ? I watched the first programme of Mr.Portillo's trip round Northern Ireland/Southwest Scotland, on delay yesterday evening, and it was a good two frames out of synch! ? I tried restarting from the top, then pausing, but nothing worked, so I tolerated it. Pity, as I have a high regard for his train programmes (and he is also an old boy of my school). ? Dave Buckley ? ? ? ? --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ? ? -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk ? | | Virus-free. www.avast.com | -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Wed Feb 13 03:16:39 2019 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2019 09:16:39 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Mystery! In-Reply-To: References: <4ac3dc3b-62ac-e5cc-5896-0b7c9f27bfe0@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <7b0e64d2-141a-5957-285c-325e9848641c@btinternet.com> Who knows what buttons I pressed? It's a good thought though Nick! Cheers, Dave From colin at colinhassell.com Wed Feb 13 03:19:30 2019 From: colin at colinhassell.com (Colin Hassell) Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2019 09:19:30 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Lip synch on BBC1 HD news at 11pm Sunday In-Reply-To: <0FFE3AD8-AC62-4DCC-BC85-15B9A9AFEABE@mac.com> References: <13556152-F6C4-49AD-BFF4-23ACC66A8367@mac.com> <5c61abec.1c69fb81.43f8.b8ab@mx.google.com> <0FFE3AD8-AC62-4DCC-BC85-15B9A9AFEABE@mac.com> Message-ID: Don?t let the Gallery listen to delayed output. When AR was introduced at BT Sport Studios we persuaded Production to listen live and, therefore, out-of-sync with their TX Monitor. It was suggested that if the processing delay were 7 seconds would they be happy to be directing 7 seconds out of sync with reality? No, so why should it different if only 7 frames? They agreed, so any potential talkback delay problems never occurred. -- Colin Hassell colin at colinhassell.com +44-(0)7973-802722 St Albans, Herts, UK > On 11 Feb 2019, at 19:25, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: > > I remember writing in very strong terms that the introduction of digital circuits, with their inherent and sometimes unpredictable delays, required an immediate and forceful training schedule for production staff and presenters, to avoid the very egg-on-face situations which you refer to, Pat. But at that stage, only P & ID, or whoever they were at that time, were involved and I never established a meaningful individual to send my message to! Departmental heads, like Head of Sound and Head of Studio Engineering had gone by then and everything was being driven by the availability of new technology and the potential savings and opportunities for expansion which it offered ~ i.e. accountants at the helm, with no consideration for unintended consequences. > > When Martin Hopkins wanted to introduce VR to the Grandstand set, he called a meeting of all the interested parties except, you?ve guessed it, sound. I was alerted to the attendant issues by John Howell?s report on a VR drama he?d been involved with, so I rang Martin and asked if he knew that he would be introducing problems for presenters on deaf-aids carrying open TB if the gallery monitored the delayed output. He willingly invited me to the meeting, which he then opened by saying that he hadn?t realised there were any considerations other than vision, until he was bollocked by yours truly for leaving sound out! We established a workable system, but it scared the sh*t out of unfamiliar sound staff, as there were so many potential tweaks in the system, starting with getting the gallery staff to work very close to their mics and making sure the mic gains matched the individuals. The extremes were total loss of talkback by the presenter, or the inability to talk coherently because of getting themselves back delayed! > > None of the other sports producers like VR and it was abandoned after Martin left. > > Mike G > > >> On 11 Feb 2019, at 17:07, patheigham via Tech1 > wrote: >> >> Isn?t it still a problem with the decoding circuits on whatever TV one has, work at different speeds with regard to vision and audio? >> If the picture is ?fussy? then that takes longer to display. >> I tried for sometime to correlate sync on News, viewing via my ?Smart? Samsung TV, and also via a DVD player that accessed the Internet. Result ? useless, as no sooner had I got it right, then the next contribution was ?out?. >> I think that no-one cares anymore. Is the attitude that all the viewers are likened to The Royle Family and are couch potatoes, and don?t notice? >> I get irritated when a satellite link from a reporter takes time for the cue to be given, and the cut to the on-the-spot person is left with them with ?egg-on-the-face? for a few moments, when the hand-over should be seamless. >> Would it look better if the studio newsreader shot was held a fraction longer before cutting to the sat feed? >> Or insert a still of the location with the reporters name? >> >> Those of us that worked at TVC in the 60?s, and those that operated ?Pres? took a pride in the presentation. >> Seems that ?Management? has thrown the baby (dedicated staff) out with the bathwater (TVC, or BBC Television). >> Regards >> Pat >> >> >> >> Sent from Mail for Windows 10 >> >> From: Mike Giles via Tech1 >> Sent: 11 February 2019 13:28 >> To: vernon.dyer ; Tech Ops >> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Lip synch on BBC1 HD news at 11pm Sunday >> >> I?m always surprised that on-demand from BBC iPlayer and ITN is sometimes out of sync, but pausing and re-starting puts it right (ish). A well-respected BBC installation engineer once told us that it was impossible for embedded audio to lose sync - if it was right when embedded, it would always be right when decoded. But we were able to demonstrate otherwise, weren?t we, Hibou? >> >> Mike G >> >> >> >> >> >> Virus-free. www.avast.com -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jpbarlow at btopenworld.com Wed Feb 13 07:51:40 2019 From: jpbarlow at btopenworld.com (jpbarlow at btopenworld.com) Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2019 13:51:40 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] Greatest Shot Ever Message-ID: <017001d4c3a3$3fa5c0e0$bef142a0$@btopenworld.com> With trepidation I disagree with Bernie about the greatest shot ever being James Burke and Rocket. For me it's the shot of the Lunar Module taking OFF from the Moon. The operator had a six second delay to take into account but what a result! Jim Atkinson did a 30 minute "camera is the artiste" shot on The Seventh Juror which was pretty good too. The best moment for sound coverage, for me, was when Lesley Judd (Live Blue Peter) stepped out of the first Concorde to land in the USA, in parallel with the Air France one, with one of those new fangled radio mics and with perfect clarity said "I do hope you can hear me". JohnB -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mibridge at mac.com Wed Feb 13 08:01:44 2019 From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles) Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2019 14:01:44 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Lip synch on BBC1 HD news at 11pm Sunday In-Reply-To: References: <13556152-F6C4-49AD-BFF4-23ACC66A8367@mac.com> <5c61abec.1c69fb81.43f8.b8ab@mx.google.com> <0FFE3AD8-AC62-4DCC-BC85-15B9A9AFEABE@mac.com> Message-ID: <67B4862B-C40D-4159-8394-5784DC74A6BB@mac.com> But Hoppo insisted on monitoring BBC1 output, because he didn?t trust anyone else to be doing it, with some justification. So there was no option. If there had been a seven second delay, then no way of course, but it wasn?t anything like that. Mike G > On 13 Feb 2019, at 09:19, Colin Hassell wrote: > > Don?t let the Gallery listen to delayed output. > > When AR was introduced at BT Sport Studios we persuaded Production to listen live and, therefore, out-of-sync with their TX Monitor. > It was suggested that if the processing delay were 7 seconds would they be happy to be directing 7 seconds out of sync with reality? > No, so why should it different if only 7 frames? > They agreed, so any potential talkback delay problems never occurred. > > > -- > Colin Hassell > > colin at colinhassell.com > +44-(0)7973-802722 > St Albans, Herts, UK > >> On 11 Feb 2019, at 19:25, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: >> >> I remember writing in very strong terms that the introduction of digital circuits, with their inherent and sometimes unpredictable delays, required an immediate and forceful training schedule for production staff and presenters, to avoid the very egg-on-face situations which you refer to, Pat. But at that stage, only P & ID, or whoever they were at that time, were involved and I never established a meaningful individual to send my message to! Departmental heads, like Head of Sound and Head of Studio Engineering had gone by then and everything was being driven by the availability of new technology and the potential savings and opportunities for expansion which it offered ~ i.e. accountants at the helm, with no consideration for unintended consequences. >> >> When Martin Hopkins wanted to introduce VR to the Grandstand set, he called a meeting of all the interested parties except, you?ve guessed it, sound. I was alerted to the attendant issues by John Howell?s report on a VR drama he?d been involved with, so I rang Martin and asked if he knew that he would be introducing problems for presenters on deaf-aids carrying open TB if the gallery monitored the delayed output. He willingly invited me to the meeting, which he then opened by saying that he hadn?t realised there were any considerations other than vision, until he was bollocked by yours truly for leaving sound out! We established a workable system, but it scared the sh*t out of unfamiliar sound staff, as there were so many potential tweaks in the system, starting with getting the gallery staff to work very close to their mics and making sure the mic gains matched the individuals. The extremes were total loss of talkback by the presenter, or the inability to talk coherently because of getting themselves back delayed! >> >> None of the other sports producers like VR and it was abandoned after Martin left. >> >> Mike G >> >> >>> On 11 Feb 2019, at 17:07, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: >>> >>> Isn?t it still a problem with the decoding circuits on whatever TV one has, work at different speeds with regard to vision and audio? >>> If the picture is ?fussy? then that takes longer to display. >>> I tried for sometime to correlate sync on News, viewing via my ?Smart? Samsung TV, and also via a DVD player that accessed the Internet. Result ? useless, as no sooner had I got it right, then the next contribution was ?out?. >>> I think that no-one cares anymore. Is the attitude that all the viewers are likened to The Royle Family and are couch potatoes, and don?t notice? >>> I get irritated when a satellite link from a reporter takes time for the cue to be given, and the cut to the on-the-spot person is left with them with ?egg-on-the-face? for a few moments, when the hand-over should be seamless. >>> Would it look better if the studio newsreader shot was held a fraction longer before cutting to the sat feed? >>> Or insert a still of the location with the reporters name? >>> >>> Those of us that worked at TVC in the 60?s, and those that operated ?Pres? took a pride in the presentation. >>> Seems that ?Management? has thrown the baby (dedicated staff) out with the bathwater (TVC, or BBC Television). >>> Regards >>> Pat >>> >>> >>> >>> Sent from Mail for Windows 10 >>> >>> From: Mike Giles via Tech1 >>> Sent: 11 February 2019 13:28 >>> To: vernon.dyer; Tech Ops >>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Lip synch on BBC1 HD news at 11pm Sunday >>> >>> I?m always surprised that on-demand from BBC iPlayer and ITN is sometimes out of sync, but pausing and re-starting puts it right (ish). A well-respected BBC installation engineer once told us that it was impossible for embedded audio to lose sync - if it was right when embedded, it would always be right when decoded. But we were able to demonstrate otherwise, weren?t we, Hibou? >>> >>> Mike G >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Virus-free. www.avast.com >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave at davesound.co.uk Wed Feb 13 08:35:59 2019 From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman) Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2019 14:35:59 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Tech1] First studio experiences In-Reply-To: <038D2FB53E56457E9DC7A2CEC07A94A5@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> References: <038D2FB53E56457E9DC7A2CEC07A94A5@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> Message-ID: <5785ba5502dave@davesound.co.uk> That certainly jogged my memory, Dave. My induction course was also November '62. Can't for the life of me remember if we were on the same one. At end of the week, we were told which crew we were joining, and their schedule for that coming week. If the crew was working over the weekend, we could go in if we wanted to, or start on the Monday, or their first day after that. As it happened my crew - 5 - were working Saturday. And on a prog I'd not heard of. Being an avid TV viewer, I was hoping for one I knew. But being keen ;-) went in anyway. That prog? Ep1 of That Was The Week That Was. Nov 24th. A very long day including the live prog over-run. Did wonder what I'd let myself in for. I also remember that pea souper. And the very hard long winter. Coming from Aberdeen, I was sold they were soft down south and hardly ever saw snow. ;-) It also gave me a rude awakening on how much is cost to heat a bedsit. -- *If your feet smell and your nose runs, you're built upside down. Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From dave.thompson.mail at gmail.com Wed Feb 13 08:46:33 2019 From: dave.thompson.mail at gmail.com (David Thompson) Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2019 14:46:33 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Flying the booms Message-ID: Referring back to Dave Newbitt?s recollections about flying the booms. In 1963 I escaped from Bush House and joined the television service. I was sent to Crew 4, a drama crew. Reg Poulter was Senior Cameraman, Alan Ville was the SA 1, Chris Carne was the SA II. The SAGen. I can visualise but can?t name. I was Alan?s Mole boom tracker and general dogsbody - no Fisher booms in those days. 4033 in the boom. The diet was ?Maigret? with Rupert Davies, and ?Dr Finlay?s Casebook with Bill Simpson, Andrew Cruickshank and Barbara Mullen. We spent most of our time in TC3. One week was Finlay and the next was Maigret. In the centre of the studio I seem to recall an ?elephants trunk? that lowered from the grid, which had a number of mic points, and presumably talkback. The booms could be plugged at studio floor level and then the trunk was raised into the lights. TC4 possibly had this facility as well. I think the booms had a cable guide sprouting from the top of the central support pillar. It seemed like good idea but often the booms had to travel to the extremities of the studio and so flying from a central point could lead to a ?maypole? effect. It certainly meant that if the boom strayed too far from the trunk the cables sagged to the floor under their own weight. it was not often used. Many of you will recall that ?ab initio? all the studios, (2,3,4,5,) were wired with multi-pin Cannon F&E connectors. (2-pin for Q lights; 4-pin for mains; and 8-pin for microphones. The other combinations were also used but I can?t remember their uses. maybe 5-pin was for PA). I was told that the 4038 mics, which came in two impedances, 30 ohm and 300 ohm, could be wired via different pins on this 8-way plug, so that the 30 ohm ones looked at a matching transformer, which was fitted in the wall boxes for that purpose. Since both mics were fitted with the same ST & C three pin connector at the mic end I now can?t see how that could have been achieved. The Vitavox A/B/C mic stands were all fitted with ST&C plugs and cables internally which terminated in an 8-pin F&E plug to go into the wall box, so the stands would have had to be wired specially for each impedance. I also wonder who would look to see what the mic impedance was. It?s a long time ago and my brain is fuddled. 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Sent from my iPad On 13 Feb 2019, at 13:52, jpbarlow--- via Tech1 > wrote: With trepidation I disagree with Bernie about the greatest shot ever being James Burke and Rocket. For me it?s the shot of the Lunar Module taking OFF from the Moon. The operator had a six second delay to take into account but what a result! Jim Atkinson did a 30 minute ?camera is the artiste? shot on The Seventh Juror which was pretty good too. The best moment for sound coverage, for me, was when Lesley Judd (Live Blue Peter) stepped out of the first Concorde to land in the USA, in parallel with the Air France one, with one of those new fangled radio mics and with perfect clarity said ?I do hope you can hear me?. JohnB -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From waresound at msn.com Wed Feb 13 09:46:36 2019 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2019 15:46:36 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Greatest Shot Ever In-Reply-To: References: <017001d4c3a3$3fa5c0e0$bef142a0$@btopenworld.com>, Message-ID: Oops. Error in the second link, should be: https://youtube.com/watchv=3f3mUs7rS1I&list= (can?t tell the difference between uppercase eye and lowercase ell , it should have been an eye ) Sent from my iPad On 13 Feb 2019, at 15:34, Nick Ware > wrote: No, this is the greatest shot ever, because it?s about what the cameraman did, and not so much what happened to be occuring in front of him. And to risk it live to countless millions....! You?ve probably all seen this before, but it?s worth a re-visit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mvx_pOqyNDU (comes at 2mins40secs) And how he did it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3f3mUs7rS1l&list= Steadican on Segway - with a little help along the way from a focus puller (because there?s no way he could be doing it himself). Cheers, Nick (not normally accustomed to lavishing such admiration on cameramen!) Sent from my iPad On 13 Feb 2019, at 13:52, jpbarlow--- via Tech1 > wrote: With trepidation I disagree with Bernie about the greatest shot ever being James Burke and Rocket. For me it?s the shot of the Lunar Module taking OFF from the Moon. The operator had a six second delay to take into account but what a result! Jim Atkinson did a 30 minute ?camera is the artiste? shot on The Seventh Juror which was pretty good too. The best moment for sound coverage, for me, was when Lesley Judd (Live Blue Peter) stepped out of the first Concorde to land in the USA, in parallel with the Air France one, with one of those new fangled radio mics and with perfect clarity said ?I do hope you can hear me?. JohnB -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From waresound at msn.com Wed Feb 13 09:52:18 2019 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2019 15:52:18 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Greatest Shot Ever In-Reply-To: References: <017001d4c3a3$3fa5c0e0$bef142a0$@btopenworld.com>, , Message-ID: Nope, it?s this! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3f3mUs7rS1I&list= N. Sent from my iPad (flickin? iPads!) On 13 Feb 2019, at 15:46, Nick Ware > wrote: Oops. Error in the second link, should be: https://youtube.com/watchv=3f3mUs7rS1I&list= (can?t tell the difference between uppercase eye and lowercase ell , it should have been an eye ) Sent from my iPad On 13 Feb 2019, at 15:34, Nick Ware > wrote: No, this is the greatest shot ever, because it?s about what the cameraman did, and not so much what happened to be occuring in front of him. And to risk it live to countless millions....! You?ve probably all seen this before, but it?s worth a re-visit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mvx_pOqyNDU (comes at 2mins40secs) And how he did it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3f3mUs7rS1l&list= Steadican on Segway - with a little help along the way from a focus puller (because there?s no way he could be doing it himself). Cheers, Nick (not normally accustomed to lavishing such admiration on cameramen!) Sent from my iPad On 13 Feb 2019, at 13:52, jpbarlow--- via Tech1 > wrote: With trepidation I disagree with Bernie about the greatest shot ever being James Burke and Rocket. For me it?s the shot of the Lunar Module taking OFF from the Moon. The operator had a six second delay to take into account but what a result! Jim Atkinson did a 30 minute ?camera is the artiste? shot on The Seventh Juror which was pretty good too. The best moment for sound coverage, for me, was when Lesley Judd (Live Blue Peter) stepped out of the first Concorde to land in the USA, in parallel with the Air France one, with one of those new fangled radio mics and with perfect clarity said ?I do hope you can hear me?. JohnB -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net Wed Feb 13 10:21:05 2019 From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt) Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2019 16:21:05 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] Flying the booms In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: You?re doing pretty well there Dave ? doesn?t sound fuddled to me. Yes, 5-pin F&E?s were for PA. Regarding the mic cabling (and apologising if I?m fuddled). I think the 3-pin thistle or XLR connectors were indeed selectively wired to different pins on the 8-pin F&E?s to achieve differentiation for 30 ohm or 300 ohm mics? Certainly we drew either 30 ohm or 300 ohm extensions from stores as required. Lovely photos of the STC 4038 and 4033. Before STC made them I seem to recall the 4038?s as ?PGS Ribbons? which were bronze coloured as per AXBT etc. Just needs a 4021 (apple and biscuit) to complete the picture. I think one of the latter which hung from the dome in the old TV Theatre must have been about the longest serving mic in the corporation. Dave Newbitt. From: David Thompson via Tech1 Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2019 2:46 PM To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: [Tech1] Flying the booms Referring back to Dave Newbitt?s recollections about flying the booms. In 1963 I escaped from Bush House and joined the television service. I was sent to Crew 4, a drama crew. Reg Poulter was Senior Cameraman, Alan Ville was the SA 1, Chris Carne was the SA II. The SAGen. I can visualise but can?t name. I was Alan?s Mole boom tracker and general dogsbody - no Fisher booms in those days. 4033 in the boom. The diet was ?Maigret? with Rupert Davies, and ?Dr Finlay?s Casebook with Bill Simpson, Andrew Cruickshank and Barbara Mullen. We spent most of our time in TC3. One week was Finlay and the next was Maigret. In the centre of the studio I seem to recall an ?elephants trunk? that lowered from the grid, which had a number of mic points, and presumably talkback. The booms could be plugged at studio floor level and then the trunk was raised into the lights. TC4 possibly had this facility as well. I think the booms had a cable guide sprouting from the top of the central support pillar. It seemed like good idea but often the booms had to travel to the extremities of the studio and so flying from a central point could lead to a ?maypole? effect. It certainly meant that if the boom strayed too far from the trunk the cables sagged to the floor under their own weight. it was not often used. Many of you will recall that ?ab initio? all the studios, (2,3,4,5,) were wired with multi-pin Cannon F&E connectors. (2-pin for Q lights; 4-pin for mains; and 8-pin for microphones. The other combinations were also used but I can?t remember their uses. maybe 5-pin was for PA). I was told that the 4038 mics, which came in two impedances, 30 ohm and 300 ohm, could be wired via different pins on this 8-way plug, so that the 30 ohm ones looked at a matching transformer, which was fitted in the wall boxes for that purpose. Since both mics were fitted with the same ST & C three pin connector at the mic end I now can?t see how that could have been achieved. The Vitavox A/B/C mic stands were all fitted with ST&C plugs and cables internally which terminated in an 8-pin F&E plug to go into the wall box, so the stands would have had to be wired specially for each impedance. I also wonder who would look to see what the mic impedance was. It?s a long time ago and my brain is fuddled. I think the trunks were removed when subsequently the studios were completely re-wired and converted to XLR. The pictures are to remind us of these tools of a bygone age. David Thompson -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Time to investigate Dada Mail again B -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net Wed Feb 13 11:07:39 2019 From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt) Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2019 17:07:39 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] First studio experiences In-Reply-To: <5785ba5502dave@davesound.co.uk> References: <038D2FB53E56457E9DC7A2CEC07A94A5@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> <5785ba5502dave@davesound.co.uk> Message-ID: <5EE73F132F1046B4A663644EDF8AF078@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> Hi Dave, My induction course ran from Oct 29th 1962 with Nov 5th being my 'start' date. I think your course was the next but one in late November with your 'start' date being Dec 3rd. We were of course on the same Evesham course soon after. TW3 eh? Baptism of fire. Never worked on the show but often watched from within the studio while I waited for my old mate Rod Stebbing. Many recollections of the show of course as all of us must have. One of the best was almost a throwaway line but brilliant. Roy Hudd in high speed delivery mode was finding the Autocue not quite keeping up with him. In the immediate aftermath of the hoohah generated when Kenneth Tynan first used the f*** word in print in the Times, the brilliant Roy said spontaneously in mid sentence "roll on, roll on for Kenneth Tynan's sake roll on". Unforgettable! Dave Newbitt. -----Original Message----- From: Dave Plowman via Tech1 Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2019 2:35 PM To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] First studio experiences That certainly jogged my memory, Dave. My induction course was also November '62. Can't for the life of me remember if we were on the same one. At end of the week, we were told which crew we were joining, and their schedule for that coming week. If the crew was working over the weekend, we could go in if we wanted to, or start on the Monday, or their first day after that. As it happened my crew - 5 - were working Saturday. And on a prog I'd not heard of. Being an avid TV viewer, I was hoping for one I knew. But being keen ;-) went in anyway. That prog? Ep1 of That Was The Week That Was. Nov 24th. A very long day including the live prog over-run. Did wonder what I'd let myself in for. I also remember that pea souper. And the very hard long winter. Coming from Aberdeen, I was sold they were soft down south and hardly ever saw snow. ;-) It also gave me a rude awakening on how much is cost to heat a bedsit. -- *If your feet smell and your nose runs, you're built upside down. Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.u3rd. From dave at davesound.co.uk Wed Feb 13 11:11:09 2019 From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman) Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2019 17:11:09 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Tech1] Flying the booms In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5785c88918dave@davesound.co.uk> In article , David Thompson via Tech1 wrote: > I was told that the 4038 mics, which came in two impedances, 30 ohm and > 300 ohm, could be wired via different pins on this 8-way plug, so that > the 30 ohm ones looked at a matching transformer, which was fitted in > the wall boxes for that purpose. Since both mics were fitted with the > same ST & C three pin connector at the mic end I now can?t see how that > could have been achieved. The Vitavox A/B/C mic stands were all fitted > with ST&C plugs and cables internally which terminated in an 8-pin F&E > plug to go into the wall box, so the stands would have had to be wired > specially for each impedance. I also wonder who would look to see what > the mic impedance was. It?s a long time ago and my brain is fuddled. You're right about the 8 pin F&E. 30 and 300 mics used different pins. Hence extension cables being 30 and 300 too. But weren't all STC mics in TV 30 ohm? -- *I yell because I care Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From tonyscott1000 at gmail.com Wed Feb 13 12:01:03 2019 From: tonyscott1000 at gmail.com (Tony Scott) Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2019 18:01:03 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Emails In-Reply-To: <7f09776c-b0a2-41db-dcbd-d73b5f6e4109@gmail.com> References: <7f09776c-b0a2-41db-dcbd-d73b5f6e4109@gmail.com> Message-ID: By design Mailman doesn't copy emails sent to lists back to the sender (they have a copy of the email sent already). On Wed, 13 Feb 2019, 17:02 Bernard Newnham via Tech1 Several people have emailed today to tell me that they aren't getting > return emails from postings. I have to say that I never have, which has > always irritated me, but I do get them back from the Announce list. I've > been through all the settings and they are the same. > > Time to investigate Dada Mail again > > B > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From teateatone2 at gmail.com Wed Feb 13 14:16:36 2019 From: teateatone2 at gmail.com (Tony Grant) Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2019 20:16:36 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Old Apple & Biscuit Message-ID: Having had to ascend Big Ben a couple of times, I'm reasonably certain that the mic up there is/was a 4021, surely, if so, that must hold the record for length of service. TeaTeaFN - Tony -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Cheers, Dave From mikej at bmanor.co.uk Wed Feb 13 14:58:34 2019 From: mikej at bmanor.co.uk (Mike Jordan) Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2019 20:58:34 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] Big Ben In-Reply-To: <659d797e-5551-aef3-1063-693e19200aa4@btinternet.com> References: <659d797e-5551-aef3-1063-693e19200aa4@btinternet.com> Message-ID: No the mic was up the top, cabled down to a rack in about the second floor from whence it was fed on GPO land line to BH with a reserve feed to Bush (I know, I went there a couple of times to squeak the lines) Gave way to the famous story of being able to hear BB on a radio in Parliament Square earlier then direct sound waves from the top. Nowadays it must have been different before it was topped for mending as we all know Freeview. VHF and Freesat all have different delays and presumably anyone listening on a mobile would be even more different depending on the service provider/data congestion experienced.. Mike -----Original Message----- From: dave.mdv via Tech1 Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2019 8:27 PM To: Tony Grant ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Big Ben I was told that the audio feed of Big Ben came from the building opposite as you could always hear the traffic in the back ground! Cheers, Dave -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From martin at theeccles.uk Wed Feb 13 15:43:50 2019 From: martin at theeccles.uk (Martin Eccles) Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2019 21:43:50 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] Old Apple & Biscuit In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <00fb01d4c3e5$35426da0$9fc748e0$@theeccles.uk> The History of the BBC site shows an STC 4035 microphone in the article? https://www.bbc.co.uk/historyofthebbc/collections/technology/big-ben-mic Martin. From: Tech1 On Behalf Of Tony Grant via Tech1 Sent: 13 February 2019 20:17 To: TechOps Forum Subject: [Tech1] Old Apple & Biscuit Having had to ascend Big Ben a couple of times, I'm reasonably certain that the mic up there is/was a 4021, surely, if so, that must hold the record for length of service. TeaTeaFN - Tony -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tonys at tonyscott.org.uk Wed Feb 13 15:50:46 2019 From: tonys at tonyscott.org.uk (Tony Scott) Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2019 21:50:46 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] (no subject) Message-ID: https://kmflett.wordpress.com/2019/02/13/e-p-thompson-on-beer-the-standard-of-living-of-the-english-working-class-1800-1830/amp/?__twitter_impression=true -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mibridge at mac.com Wed Feb 13 16:49:42 2019 From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles) Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2019 22:49:42 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Bitcoin e-mail Message-ID: <5703CF54-EBF1-4DD1-BB06-C3DDB46B101C@mac.com> I?ve just received an e-mail about bitcoin purporting to be from Alasdair Lawrence ~ was this actually from you Alasdair? I am suspicious because on a second look it seems to be addressed only to me direct. Foolishly, perhaps, I trusted it at first and clicked the link which leads to somebody quoting major successes in bit-coin trading, then it led on to various high profile individuals advocating an investment, with a link to get things going ~ that?s when I smelled a rat, so I didn?t proceed and went back to look at the source of the e-mail. Mike G From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Wed Feb 13 16:52:13 2019 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2019 22:52:13 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Help! Message-ID: I am trying to load and run TomTom MyDrive. Everytime I try and run it it won't start due to a missing .dll file. It is 'dzsdm32.dll', which is a Nokia item, so why it should be needed by TomTom is a mystery to me! The only way I can possibly get a copy is to install a .dll repair program for money! Do any of you run 'TomTom My Drive' and have that .dll file on your PC and could you please post me a copy? TIA, Dave From tonycrake at gmail.com Wed Feb 13 16:53:58 2019 From: tonycrake at gmail.com (Tony Crake) Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2019 22:53:58 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] BAFTA on the News Channel In-Reply-To: References: <13556152-F6C4-49AD-BFF4-23ACC66A8367@mac.com> <3af057cf-271d-38ab-803b-ae7da46479d2@imixmics.co.uk> Message-ID: I see your notes on BAFTA which I have only just got round to reading. I was away at John Cox's funeral in Devon and stayed with Joe Driver for a few days.... I watched a very small bit of BAFTA ... Why were the audience mikes left up during the film clips of the nominations??? Made the clips sound terrible !! We can't see the audience , so why should we hear them bumbling about ?? TONY On Tue, 12 Feb 2019 at 11:37, Bill Jenkin via Tech1 wrote: > I don't know about the rest of it but I do know that the violent zooming > in and out was a camera fault. > B > > On Tue, 12 Feb 2019, 08:26 John Nottage via Tech1 wrote: > >> Watching BAFTA Awards progs on the News Channel on Sunday. The Results >> show had 2 cameras with different timing so his cam was in lip sync, >> hers wasn't. Mostly hers was wide so it was less obvious. >> >> The BAFTA intro show, early evening, was a disaster! Terrible or zero >> direction, terrible camera work, terrible sound. The presenters' >> comments rarely referred to what was on the screen. The camera positions >> were such that they often looking at heads blocking their view. There >> was lots of crashing zooms on air, including a cameraman zooming in & >> out wildly as if to show the director "I'm here on a shot of Richard E >> Grant. Cut to me!" only it was halfway thru' his interview! Perhaps >> there was no director... >> >> John >> >> On 12/02/2019 07:35, Keith Wicks via Tech1 wrote: >> > I think the problem is insufficient speed of the decoder in your >> > receiving equipment. I'm temporarily using a slower-than-usual computer >> > and, like you, I often have to correct an out-of-sync problem (on >> > various programmes) on iPlayer by stopping and restarting. So the >> > installation engineer may have been technically correct. The embedded >> > audiois in sync when received, but the equipment you are using takes >> too >> > long to decode the video component. >> > KW >> > >> > >> > On Mon, 11 Feb 2019 at 13:28, Mike Giles via Tech1 < >> tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> > > wrote: >> > >> > I?m always surprised that on-demand from BBC iPlayer and ITN is >> > sometimes out of sync, but pausing and re-starting puts it right >> > (ish). A well-respected BBC installation engineer once told us that >> > it was impossible for embedded audio to lose sync - if it was right >> > when embedded, it would always be right when decoded. But we were >> > able to demonstrate otherwise, weren?t we, Hibou? >> > >> > Mike G >> > >> > On 11 Feb 2019, at 12:32, vernon.dyer via Tech1 >> > > wrote: >> > >> >> >> >> I noticed that. It sometimes happens on my Sky+ box, and usually >> >> clears by the time-honoured method of switch it off and on again, >> >> but this was on Freeview HD. You start to wonder if there actually >> >> was anyone in NC! >> >> >> >> >> >> Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. >> >> -------- Original message -------- >> >> From: Geoffrey Hawkes via Tech1 >> >> >> >> The lip synch on BBC1 HD late evening news tonight appeared to be >> >> out, just the newsreader bits. It was fine on SD. I?ve noticed >> >> this happening occasionally before. Does anyone know the reason >> >> and why no-one in whatever passes for NC1 nowadays doesn?t spot it >> >> and get someone to correct it? >> >> Geoff Hawkes >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Tech1 mailing list >> >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> > -- >> > Tech1 mailing list >> > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> > >> > >> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Wed Feb 13 16:57:10 2019 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2019 22:57:10 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Bitcoin e-mail In-Reply-To: <5703CF54-EBF1-4DD1-BB06-C3DDB46B101C@mac.com> References: <5703CF54-EBF1-4DD1-BB06-C3DDB46B101C@mac.com> Message-ID: <5a20b804-74bf-1316-bd57-15a9390b3bc8@btinternet.com> Golden Rule No.1 - never click on any e-mail link about money, profit, financial gain etc.! None of us would ever try and get our colleagues into such scams, would we? Cheers, Dave From bernie833 at gmail.com Wed Feb 13 17:24:34 2019 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2019 23:24:34 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Bitcoin e-mail In-Reply-To: <5703CF54-EBF1-4DD1-BB06-C3DDB46B101C@mac.com> References: <5703CF54-EBF1-4DD1-BB06-C3DDB46B101C@mac.com> Message-ID: <87b59d32-380b-5c29-b919-ef2dbb7e4f14@ntlworld.com> Next, run Malwarebytes anti malware - https://www.malwarebytes.com/ B On 13/02/2019 22:49, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: > I?ve just received an e-mail about bitcoin purporting to be from Alasdair Lawrence ~ was this actually from you Alasdair? I am suspicious because on a second look it seems to be addressed only to me direct. > > Foolishly, perhaps, I trusted it at first and clicked the link which leads to somebody quoting major successes in bit-coin trading, then it led on to various high profile individuals advocating an investment, with a link to get things going ~ that?s when I smelled a rat, so I didn?t proceed and went back to look at the source of the e-mail. > > Mike G > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bernie833 at gmail.com Wed Feb 13 17:26:19 2019 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2019 23:26:19 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Help! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Try a re-install - http://uk.support.tomtom.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/7448/~/installing-tomtom-home B On 13/02/2019 22:52, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: > I am trying to load and run TomTom MyDrive. Everytime I try and run it > it won't start due to a missing .dll file. It is 'dzsdm32.dll', which > is a Nokia item, so why it should be needed by TomTom is a mystery to > me! The only way I can possibly get a copy is to install a .dll repair > program for money! Do any of you run 'TomTom My Drive' and have that > .dll file on your PC and could you please post me a copy? TIA, Dave > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jccglass at gmail.com Wed Feb 13 17:33:21 2019 From: jccglass at gmail.com (Chris on gmail) Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2019 23:33:21 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] 4033 References: Message-ID: On my brief attachment to sound i was let loose on a boom on a programme for the deaf basically atmos and my attention wandered! present stood up met my dangling 4033 and promtly sat down needly to say i never did another boom Chris Glass From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net Wed Feb 13 17:33:33 2019 From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt) Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2019 23:33:33 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] Old Apple & Biscuit In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Responding to Dave Thompson?s post earlier today (Flying the booms), I casually suggested the 4021 in the TV Theatre as a candidate for longest microphone service. As far as any certainty goes there may well be plenty of contenders I know not of, but re the Big Ben mics I understand they were in place from the early 1960?s. The TV Theatre reopened after re-fit in 1957 and it is at least possible the dome mic was in place then. Just a thought. Dave Newbitt. From: Tony Grant via Tech1 Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2019 8:16 PM To: TechOps Forum Subject: [Tech1] Old Apple & Biscuit Having had to ascend Big Ben a couple of times, I'm reasonably certain that the mic up there is/was a 4021, surely, if so, that must hold the record for length of service. TeaTeaFN - Tony -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From keithwicksuk at gmail.com Wed Feb 13 17:42:41 2019 From: keithwicksuk at gmail.com (Keith Wicks) Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2019 23:42:41 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Help! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Dave I don't use TomTom, but the following page might help clear up the problem https://windowstechies.com/-/en/filename/ It reads like an advert for software they are selling, but the software is free and comes from tucows, which is an OK source. (I do not recommend that you use the link to Softpedia.) KW On Wed, 13 Feb 2019 at 22:52, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: > I am trying to load and run TomTom MyDrive. Everytime I try and run it > it won't start due to a missing .dll file. It is 'dzsdm32.dll', which is > a Nokia item, so why it should be needed by TomTom is a mystery to me! > The only way I can possibly get a copy is to install a .dll repair > program for money! Do any of you run 'TomTom My Drive' and have that > .dll file on your PC and could you please post me a copy? TIA, Dave > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mibridge at mac.com Wed Feb 13 17:43:30 2019 From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles) Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2019 23:43:30 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Bitcoin e-mail In-Reply-To: <5a20b804-74bf-1316-bd57-15a9390b3bc8@btinternet.com> References: <5703CF54-EBF1-4DD1-BB06-C3DDB46B101C@mac.com> <5a20b804-74bf-1316-bd57-15a9390b3bc8@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <88E58AFD-5714-4761-9D7B-D7F63E68BB82@mac.com> Ah! But it didn?t say anything like that - just that it was for Alasdair?s friends! Mike G > On 13 Feb 2019, at 22:57, dave.mdv wrote: > > Golden Rule No.1 - never click on any e-mail link about money, profit, financial gain etc.! None of us would ever try and get our colleagues into such scams, would we? Cheers, Dave From dave at davesound.co.uk Wed Feb 13 18:46:14 2019 From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2019 00:46:14 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Tech1] Old Apple & Biscuit In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5785f233e2dave@davesound.co.uk> In article , Tony Grant via Tech1 wrote: > Having had to ascend Big Ben a couple of times, I'm reasonably certain > that the mic up there is/was a 4021, surely, if so, that must hold the > record for length of service. > TeaTeaFN - Tony And the H of C carried on this principle. Can't remember when I last saw a D202 in use - apart from on the PM, etc. -- *If vegetable oil comes from vegetables, where does baby oil come from? * Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From jpn at imixmics.co.uk Thu Feb 14 02:34:39 2019 From: jpn at imixmics.co.uk (John Nottage) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2019 08:34:39 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] [SPAM?] Re: Old Apple & Biscuit In-Reply-To: <00fb01d4c3e5$35426da0$9fc748e0$@theeccles.uk> References: <00fb01d4c3e5$35426da0$9fc748e0$@theeccles.uk> Message-ID: Thinking of long-lasting mics, didn't they find a 4035 hanging somewhere down Oxford Street that had been there forever & it still worked. When I joined OBs in '68, the 4035 was the OB workhorse, used for everything - if it filled up with rainwater, you just took the top off, drained it out, & put it back to work, though the horsehair windgag could get very soggy! I also remember Ian Leiper bringing along the new Electro-Voice 635A, telling us it was indestructible. After throwing it down the scanner steps a few time he found that if the edge of the connector got bent, it was nearly impossible to straighten & the plug would no longer fit! John On 13/02/2019 21:43, Martin Eccles via Tech1 wrote: > The History of the BBC site shows an STC 4035 microphone in the article? > > https://www.bbc.co.uk/historyofthebbc/collections/technology/big-ben-mic > > Martin. > > *From:*Tech1 *On Behalf Of *Tony Grant > via Tech1 > *Sent:* 13 February 2019 20:17 > *To:* TechOps Forum > *Subject:* [Tech1] Old Apple & Biscuit > > Having had to ascend Big Ben a couple of times, I'm reasonably certain > that the mic up there is/was a 4021, surely, if so, that must hold the > record for length of service. > > TeaTeaFN - Tony > > From jpn at imixmics.co.uk Thu Feb 14 02:42:49 2019 From: jpn at imixmics.co.uk (John Nottage) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2019 08:42:49 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] [SPAM?] Re: Flying the booms In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I still have my 4038. I've often wondered about wiring it up - never got round to it. John On 13/02/2019 16:21, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: > You?re doing pretty well there Dave ? doesn?t sound fuddled to me. > Yes, 5-pin F&E?s were for PA. Regarding the mic cabling (and apologising > if I?m fuddled). I think the 3-pin thistle or XLR connectors were indeed > selectively wired to different pins on the 8-pin F&E?s to achieve > differentiation for 30 ohm or 300 ohm mics? Certainly we drew either 30 > ohm or 300 ohm extensions from stores as required. > Lovely photos of the STC 4038 and 4033. Before STC made them I seem to > recall the 4038?s as ?PGS Ribbons? which were bronze coloured as per > AXBT etc. Just needs a 4021 (apple and biscuit) to complete the picture. > I think one of the latter which hung from the dome in the old TV Theatre > must have been about the longest serving mic in the corporation. > Dave Newbitt. > *From:* David Thompson via Tech1 > *Sent:* Wednesday, February 13, 2019 2:46 PM > *To:* tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > *Subject:* [Tech1] Flying the booms > Referring back to Dave Newbitt?s recollections about flying the booms. > In 1963 I escaped from Bush House and joined the television service. I > was sent to Crew 4, a drama crew. > Reg Poulter was Senior Cameraman, Alan Ville was the SA 1, Chris Carne > was the SA II. The SAGen. I can visualise but can?t name. I was Alan?s > Mole boom tracker and general dogsbody - no Fisher booms in those days. > 4033 in the boom. > The diet was ?Maigret? with Rupert Davies, and ?Dr Finlay?s Casebook > with Bill Simpson, Andrew Cruickshank and Barbara Mullen. > We spent most of our time in TC3. One week was Finlay and the next was > Maigret. > In the centre of the studio I seem to recall an ?elephants trunk? that > lowered from the grid, which had a number of mic points, and presumably > talkback. > The booms could be plugged at studio floor level and then the trunk was > raised into the lights.? TC4 possibly had this facility as well. I think > the booms had > a cable guide sprouting from the top of the central support pillar. > It seemed like good idea but often the booms had to travel to the > extremities of the studio and so flying from a central point could lead > to a ?maypole? effect. It certainly meant > that if the boom strayed too far from the trunk the cables sagged to the > floor under their own weight. it was not often used. > Many of you will recall that ?ab initio? all the studios, (2,3,4,5,) > were wired with multi-pin Cannon F&E connectors. > (2-pin for Q lights; 4-pin for mains; and 8-pin for microphones. The > other combinations were also used but I can?t? remember their uses. > maybe 5-pin was for PA). > I was told that the 4038 mics, which came in two impedances, 30 ohm and > 300 ohm, could be wired via different pins on this 8-way plug, so that > the 30 ohm ones looked at a matching transformer, which was fitted in > the wall boxes for that purpose. > Since both mics were fitted with the same ST & C three pin connector at > the mic end I now can?t see how that could have been achieved. The > Vitavox A/B/C mic stands were all fitted with ST&C plugs and cables > internally which terminated in an 8-pin F&E plug to go into the wall > box, so the stands would have had to be? wired specially for each > impedance. I also wonder who would look to see what the mic impedance > was. It?s a long time ago and my brain is fuddled. > I think the trunks were removed when subsequently the studios were > completely re-wired and converted to XLR. > The pictures are to remind us of these tools of a bygone age. > David Thompson > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Mike -----Original Message----- From: John Nottage via Tech1 Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2019 8:42 AM To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] [SPAM?] Re: Flying the booms I still have my 4038. I've often wondered about wiring it up - never got round to it. John -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: headset.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 40618 bytes Desc: not available URL: From bernie833 at gmail.com Thu Feb 14 04:20:20 2019 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2019 10:20:20 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Bitcoin e-mail In-Reply-To: <5703CF54-EBF1-4DD1-BB06-C3DDB46B101C@mac.com> References: <5703CF54-EBF1-4DD1-BB06-C3DDB46B101C@mac.com> Message-ID: Next, run Malwarebytes anti malware - https://www.malwarebytes.com/ B On 13/02/2019 22:49, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: > I?ve just received an e-mail about bitcoin purporting to be from Alasdair Lawrence ~ was this actually from you Alasdair? I am suspicious because on a second look it seems to be addressed only to me direct. > > Foolishly, perhaps, I trusted it at first and clicked the link which leads to somebody quoting major successes in bit-coin trading, then it led on to various high profile individuals advocating an investment, with a link to get things going ~ that?s when I smelled a rat, so I didn?t proceed and went back to look at the source of the e-mail. > > Mike G > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bernie833 at gmail.com Thu Feb 14 04:20:31 2019 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2019 10:20:31 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Help! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Try a re-install - http://uk.support.tomtom.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/7448/~/installing-tomtom-home B On 13/02/2019 22:52, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: > I am trying to load and run TomTom MyDrive. Everytime I try and run it > it won't start due to a missing .dll file. It is 'dzsdm32.dll', which > is a Nokia item, so why it should be needed by TomTom is a mystery to > me! The only way I can possibly get a copy is to install a .dll repair > program for money! Do any of you run 'TomTom My Drive' and have that > .dll file on your PC and could you please post me a copy? TIA, Dave > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From keithwicksuk at gmail.com Thu Feb 14 05:47:48 2019 From: keithwicksuk at gmail.com (Keith Wicks) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2019 11:47:48 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] [SPAM?] Re: Flying the booms In-Reply-To: <6EC8198356BA4ECC8E72B627BD0CD1B3@Gigabyte> References: <6EC8198356BA4ECC8E72B627BD0CD1B3@Gigabyte> Message-ID: As far as the plug problem is concerned, you could use a quarter-inch plug and an adaptor to fit the 3.5 mm jack ? unless it's one of those special jacks that Apple use to make life difficult for us. Some quarter-inch plugs have very fat bodies that might just take a couple of miniature transformers for stereo impedance matching. Or else connect the transformers in the headphone cable. However, if it's really all just to show off, then you can superglue the plug onto the cable and pretend to be enjoying some groovy music. KW On Thu, 14 Feb 2019 at 09:48, Mike Jordan via Tech1 wrote: > Keep meaning to finish fitting new plug to these and wear in the tube to > show off! Only with an iPod as I don't have one of those smartphone > thingys > for music. > Not sure how to get cable into a 3.5mm jack nor cope with stereo and hi-z > > It was good to see somewhere that bloke doing "Today" in the studio > wearing > a pair of the old plastic STC headsets we all used (still have a couple of > pairs) but must be newish as had a curley plastic cable (like "fake" old > GPO > phones used in various dramas) > Really must get around to replacing my AKG414 headset I still use with the > PC even with intermittent connectors. Ideas? > > Mike > > -----Original Message----- > From: John Nottage via Tech1 > Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2019 8:42 AM > To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > Subject: Re: [Tech1] [SPAM?] Re: Flying the booms > > I still have my 4038. I've often wondered about wiring it up - never got > round to it. > > John > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ohbytheway.tv at gmail.com Thu Feb 14 06:12:56 2019 From: ohbytheway.tv at gmail.com (David Denness) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2019 12:12:56 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] [SPAM?] Re: Flying the booms In-Reply-To: References: <6EC8198356BA4ECC8E72B627BD0CD1B3@Gigabyte> Message-ID: <000d01d4c45e$9f25c6d0$dd715470$@gmail.com> Not aware of the impedance of the S G Brown cans Mike has but the STC cans that followed them simply had resistors in series with the earpiece drivers to increase the impedance. Dave D From: Tech1 On Behalf Of Keith Wicks via Tech1 Sent: 14 February 2019 11:48 To: Mike Jordan Cc: tech1 Subject: Re: [Tech1] [SPAM?] Re: Flying the booms As far as the plug problem is concerned, you could use a quarter-inch plug and an adaptor to fit the 3.5 mm jack ? unless it's one of those special jacks that Apple use to make life difficult for us. Some quarter-inch plugs have very fat bodies that might just take a couple of miniature transformers for stereo impedance matching. Or else connect the transformers in the headphone cable. However, if it's really all just to show off, then you can superglue the plug onto the cable and pretend to be enjoying some groovy music. KW On Thu, 14 Feb 2019 at 09:48, Mike Jordan via Tech1 > wrote: Keep meaning to finish fitting new plug to these and wear in the tube to show off! Only with an iPod as I don't have one of those smartphone thingys for music. Not sure how to get cable into a 3.5mm jack nor cope with stereo and hi-z It was good to see somewhere that bloke doing "Today" in the studio wearing a pair of the old plastic STC headsets we all used (still have a couple of pairs) but must be newish as had a curley plastic cable (like "fake" old GPO phones used in various dramas) Really must get around to replacing my AKG414 headset I still use with the PC even with intermittent connectors. Ideas? Mike -----Original Message----- From: John Nottage via Tech1 Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2019 8:42 AM To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] [SPAM?] Re: Flying the booms I still have my 4038. I've often wondered about wiring it up - never got round to it. John -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Not sure how to get cable into a 3.5mm jack nor cope with stereo and hi-z It was good to see somewhere that bloke doing "Today" in the studio wearing a pair of the old plastic STC headsets we all used (still have a couple of pairs) but must be newish as had a curley plastic cable (like "fake" old GPO phones used in various dramas) Really must get around to replacing my AKG414 headset I still use with the PC even with intermittent connectors. Ideas? Mike -----Original Message----- From: John Nottage via Tech1 Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2019 8:42 AM To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] [SPAM?] Re: Flying the booms I still have my 4038. I've often wondered about wiring it up - never got round to it. John -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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However, if it's really all just to show off, then you can superglue the plug onto the cable and pretend to be enjoying some groovy music. > KW > > On Thu, 14 Feb 2019 at 09:48, Mike Jordan via Tech1 wrote: > Keep meaning to finish fitting new plug to these and wear in the tube to > show off! Only with an iPod as I don't have one of those smartphone thingys > for music. > Not sure how to get cable into a 3.5mm jack nor cope with stereo and hi-z > > It was good to see somewhere that bloke doing "Today" in the studio wearing > a pair of the old plastic STC headsets we all used (still have a couple of > pairs) but must be newish as had a curley plastic cable (like "fake" old GPO > phones used in various dramas) > Really must get around to replacing my AKG414 headset I still use with the > PC even with intermittent connectors. Ideas? > > Mike > > -----Original Message----- > From: John Nottage via Tech1 > Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2019 8:42 AM > To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > Subject: Re: [Tech1] [SPAM?] Re: Flying the booms > > I still have my 4038. I've often wondered about wiring it up - never got > round to it. > > John > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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However how is it that one can remember things from (half) centuries ago like 1950s Co-Op divi numbers, first car reg and even a few log numbers (3021, 4771, 7026 anybody? ? and no I am not going to get out my log tables book to check these facts) Mike From: Barry Bonner Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2019 12:44 PM To: Keith Wicks Cc: Mike Jordan ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] [SPAM?] Re: Flying the booms ?That bloke? Mike??.. how very dare you! That was the very famous and affable John Humphrys! He?s always said how much he likes his STC cans! Barry. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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After throwing it down the scanner steps a few time he found that if the edge of the connector got bent, it was nearly impossible to straighten & the plug would no longer fit! > > John From rogerbunce at btinternet.com Fri Feb 15 05:07:28 2019 From: rogerbunce at btinternet.com (ROGER BUNCE) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2019 11:07:28 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Tech1] Pat Gorman References: <1648114698.1302653.1550228848884.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1648114698.1302653.1550228848884@mail.yahoo.com> Some sad news which has belatedly appeared on Facebook. Pat Gorman died last October. If the name isn't immediately familiar - anyone who worked on BBC Dramas in the 1970s and 80s will have seen Pat, somewhere in the back of shot. He was a ubiquitous Supporting Artist, regularly booked because he was so reliable. Unusually amongst Walk-Ons, he was guaranteed to be in the right place and the right time, and could even be trusted to deliver a line or two, completely convincingly. He was also a thoroughly nice chap. ?. He often appeared in police uniforms, army uniforms, as a 'Unit' soldier and as "Doctor Who" Monsters. I think I first worked with him when he was being a Silurian. If, like me, you're nostalgically watching those old programmes on "Talking Pictures", you can still play "Spot Pat Gorman". I last saw him a couple of weeks ago, in an episode of "Hannay", amongst a group of reporters. R.I.P. Pat, luv, Rog. (Information and photos from Toby Hadoke) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: PatG1.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 11863 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: 71CEAA91C69B45058BAA2FEACD745443.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 81967 bytes Desc: not available URL: From j at howell61.f9.co.uk Fri Feb 15 07:59:58 2019 From: j at howell61.f9.co.uk (John Howell) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2019 13:59:58 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] AXBT on RT cover In-Reply-To: <5c66b6f7.1c69fb81.a1b49.16bc@mx.google.com> References: <5c66b6f7.1c69fb81.a1b49.16bc@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <794a3d43-faf5-3b96-ad2f-a2b3ce55cc91@howell61.f9.co.uk> Those connectors are correct & usually at the rear, but careful Pat, not all ribbons are figure of 8, I have one that has a cardioid pattern: STC 4113. I used an AXBT as a prop in a radio studio in the 'Tenko' series & the problem was the artist kept tilting it towards himself as if it was an end-fire mic! Hibou. On 15/02/2019 12:56, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > > The latest RT for next week has a nice pic of the iconic BBC AXBT mic. > > But weren?t the connectors on the back? > > Matters not from the polar pattern as it was a ribbon (figure 8). > > I was awarded a trophy by a sound guild, which was a ceramic model of > said mic ? absolutely perfect copy, but sadly no innards! > > Best > > Pat > > Sent from Mail for > Windows 10 > > > > Virus-free. www.avast.com > > > > <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From patheigham at amps.net Fri Feb 15 08:13:18 2019 From: patheigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2019 14:13:18 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] AXBT on RT cover In-Reply-To: <794a3d43-faf5-3b96-ad2f-a2b3ce55cc91@howell61.f9.co.uk> References: <5c66b6f7.1c69fb81.a1b49.16bc@mx.google.com> <794a3d43-faf5-3b96-ad2f-a2b3ce55cc91@howell61.f9.co.uk> Message-ID: <5c66c8fc.1c69fb81.dd427.032f@mx.google.com> I remember a technique of stuffing a bit of fag packet (or cardboard) into the hinge of a 4038 to alter the pick-up pattern ? why? Re:4038: a Thames recordist I assisted for a recording of Wells Cathedral Choir, which had then formed a female contingent, used two 4038?s suspended from Panamic booms, clamped to lighting stands ? the booms bent a bit! But a lovely recording achieved. On ?The Team ? A Season with McLaren?, for pieces to camera I used a Beyer M160, a double ribbon which had a super narrow angle of pick-up, definitely not a ribbon response, but it excluded a lot of the background high level car noise. Bit different to my normal use on a harpsicord! Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: John Howell via Tech1 Sent: 15 February 2019 14:00 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] AXBT on RT cover Those connectors are correct & usually at the rear, but careful Pat, not all ribbons are figure of 8, I have one that has a cardioid pattern: STC 4113. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From martin at theeccles.uk Fri Feb 15 09:16:32 2019 From: martin at theeccles.uk (Martin Eccles) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2019 15:16:32 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] Pat Gorman In-Reply-To: <1648114698.1302653.1550228848884@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1648114698.1302653.1550228848884.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1648114698.1302653.1550228848884@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00ae01d4c541$6f717680$4e546380$@theeccles.uk> Pat never seemed out of work and was always in many of the police series. He would always come and talk with the crew. A few years ago I used to see him regularly in Ruislip Manor and he would always stop and pass the time of day. He recalled being on a feature film in the Mediterranean and had a great time as he was only called once and so had many paid days in the sunshine. His IMDB entry is huge? https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0331110/ He was in so many episodes of Doctor Who (1963) that script editor Terrance Dicks joked that it was in the BBC Charter that they couldn't make an episode of the series without having Pat Gorman in it. A good guy who really took pride in his craft. Martin. Fr om: Tech1 On Behalf Of ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 Sent: 15 February 2019 11:07 To: dave.mdv via Tech1 tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: [Tech1] Pat Gorman Some sad news which has belatedly appeared on Facebook. Pat Gorman died last October. If the name isn't immediately familiar - anyone who worked on BBC Dramas in the 1970s and 80s will have seen Pat, somewhere in the back of shot. He was a ubiquitous Supporting Artist, regularly booked because he was so reliable. Unusually amongst Walk-Ons, he was guaranteed to be in the right place and the right time, and could even be trusted to deliver a line or two, completely convincingly. He was also a thoroughly nice chap. . He often appeared in police uniforms, army uniforms, as a 'Unit' soldier and as "Doctor Who" Monsters. I think I first worked with him when he was being a Silurian. If, like me, you're nostalgically watching those old programmes on "Talking Pictures", you can still play "Spot Pat Gorman". I last saw him a couple of weeks ago, in an episode of "Hannay", amongst a group of reporters. R.I.P. Pat, luv, Rog. (Information and photos from Toby Hadoke) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 9449 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Best Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Martin Eccles via Tech1 Sent: 15 February 2019 15:17 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Pat Gorman Pat never seemed out of work and was always in many of the police series. He would always come and talk with the crew. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From waresound at msn.com Fri Feb 15 14:51:37 2019 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2019 20:51:37 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] AXBT on RT cover In-Reply-To: <5c66c8fc.1c69fb81.dd427.032f@mx.google.com> References: <5c66b6f7.1c69fb81.a1b49.16bc@mx.google.com> <794a3d43-faf5-3b96-ad2f-a2b3ce55cc91@howell61.f9.co.uk> <5c66c8fc.1c69fb81.dd427.032f@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Len used to do that when each member of the brass expected to be individually mic?d. It was all part of his bullshit-defeat tactics, and often as not, and unbeknown to them, the mic cable was tossed behind the flat and not even plugged in. But it kept them happy. Len was my hero, and one of the best things that ever happened to me was being ?attached? to him for Sound Training. Nick. Sent from my iPad On 15 Feb 2019, at 14:13, patheigham via Tech1 > wrote: I remember a technique of stuffing a bit of fag packet (or cardboard) into the hinge of a 4038 to alter the pick-up pattern ? why? Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: John Howell via Tech1 Sent: 15 February 2019 14:00 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] AXBT on RT cover Those connectors are correct & usually at the rear, but careful Pat, not all ribbons are figure of 8, I have one that has a cardioid pattern: STC 4113. [https://ipmcdn.avast.com/images/icons/icon-envelope-tick-round-orange-animated-no-repeat-v1.gif] Virus-free. www.avast.com -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net Fri Feb 15 15:20:26 2019 From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2019 21:20:26 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] AXBT on RT cover In-Reply-To: References: <5c66b6f7.1c69fb81.a1b49.16bc@mx.google.com><794a3d43-faf5-3b96-ad2f-a2b3ce55cc91@howell61.f9.co.uk><5c66c8fc.1c69fb81.dd427.032f@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Concur totally with Nick re Len Shorey ? he sure knew how to inject excitement into music. Knew how to deal with band members as well. Once, in the orch. room at TVT one of the band was irritated by the layout of cables around him and gave vent to ?f....ng? cables, the remark picked up and the voice recognised in the Control Room. Len strode down and said to the complainant ?is this f....ng cable bothering you ?cos if it is I?ll f....ng well move it?. Collapse of stout party! Dave Newbitt. From: Nick Ware via Tech1 Sent: Friday, February 15, 2019 8:51 PM To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] AXBT on RT cover Len used to do that when each member of the brass expected to be individually mic?d. It was all part of his bullshit-defeat tactics, and often as not, and unbeknown to them, the mic cable was tossed behind the flat and not even plugged in. But it kept them happy. Len was my hero, and one of the best things that ever happened to me was being ?attached? to him for Sound Training. Nick. Sent from my iPad On 15 Feb 2019, at 14:13, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: I remember a technique of stuffing a bit of fag packet (or cardboard) into the hinge of a 4038 to alter the pick-up pattern ? why? Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: John Howell via Tech1 Sent: 15 February 2019 14:00 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] AXBT on RT cover Those connectors are correct & usually at the rear, but careful Pat, not all ribbons are figure of 8, I have one that has a cardioid pattern: STC 4113. Virus-free. www.avast.com -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From waresound at msn.com Fri Feb 15 15:21:01 2019 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2019 21:21:01 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Pat Gorman In-Reply-To: <5c66ff20.1c69fb81.ec8e4.8f7d@mx.google.com> References: <1648114698.1302653.1550228848884.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1648114698.1302653.1550228848884@mail.yahoo.com> <00ae01d4c541$6f717680$4e546380$@theeccles.uk>, <5c66ff20.1c69fb81.ec8e4.8f7d@mx.google.com> Message-ID: I?m reminded of a comedy sketch, or was it a feature film? Maybe French and Saunders, or was it The Two Ronnies? Morecambe and Wise, even - or perhaps Smith and Jones? I worked on all of those - - so confusing. Anyway, it was all about a couple of extras who have the deluded idea that they are the important ones in the movie, and that the ?speaking parts? are only there to support their (the extras) starring roles. They sit around during their downtime name-dropping big-deal movies they?ve worked on. But what made it so funny was that nobody would do that in real life, would they? Nick. Sent from my iPad On 15 Feb 2019, at 18:04, patheigham via Tech1 > wrote: I didn?t know Pat Gorman, but sympathize with his role as an ?extra?. One job I was on was to be a film news crew for an episode of London?s Burning. How boring was that! Being used to working on every set-up, the downtime sitting in the catering bus at night was utterly mind-numbing. Best Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Martin Eccles via Tech1 Sent: 15 February 2019 15:17 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Pat Gorman Pat never seemed out of work and was always in many of the police series. He would always come and talk with the crew. 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He got back just as rehearsal was ending, listened for a few seconds, and said: ?That?s fine, stay there, it?s all yours?. Quite daunting, doing the show with the legendary Len Shorey sitting behind me! I never forgot that. Needless to say, Sam got to hear about it and I was summoned to the sixth floor. I got a bollocking swiftly followed by glowing congrats. Didn?t do me any good though, I never made it to Sound Supervisor, they said I looked too young - yes, really! Reaping the benefit of that now, though - 76 and still working! Nick. Sent from my iPad On 15 Feb 2019, at 21:20, David Newbitt > wrote: Concur totally with Nick re Len Shorey ? he sure knew how to inject excitement into music. Knew how to deal with band members as well. Once, in the orch. room at TVT one of the band was irritated by the layout of cables around him and gave vent to ?f....ng? cables, the remark picked up and the voice recognised in the Control Room. Len strode down and said to the complainant ?is this f....ng cable bothering you ?cos if it is I?ll f....ng well move it?. Collapse of stout party! Dave Newbitt. From: Nick Ware via Tech1 Sent: Friday, February 15, 2019 8:51 PM To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] AXBT on RT cover Len used to do that when each member of the brass expected to be individually mic?d. It was all part of his bullshit-defeat tactics, and often as not, and unbeknown to them, the mic cable was tossed behind the flat and not even plugged in. But it kept them happy. Len was my hero, and one of the best things that ever happened to me was being ?attached? to him for Sound Training. Nick. Sent from my iPad On 15 Feb 2019, at 14:13, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: I remember a technique of stuffing a bit of fag packet (or cardboard) into the hinge of a 4038 to alter the pick-up pattern ? why? 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URL: From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net Fri Feb 15 16:17:03 2019 From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2019 22:17:03 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] AXBT on RT cover In-Reply-To: References: <5c66b6f7.1c69fb81.a1b49.16bc@mx.google.com><794a3d43-faf5-3b96-ad2f-a2b3ce55cc91@howell61.f9.co.uk><5c66c8fc.1c69fb81.dd427.032f@mx.google.com>, Message-ID: Nice one Nick. Though I wasn?t there to witness it, I seem to recall hearing that Len himself came to the fore in his early days by ?standing in? in a crisis situation. That being the case I guess he would have seen great merit in handing the opportunity to you. Dave Newbitt. From: Nick Ware via Tech1 Sent: Friday, February 15, 2019 10:04 PM To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] AXBT on RT cover One of my proudest moments whilst on attachment to Len was on a Saturday night Mantovani show in the TVT. Arsenal were playing at home that afternoon, and Sam Hutchings had adamantly told Len he couldn?t go, and had to do the show. Mid morning, Len said to me: ?Just take care of this till I get back, I?ll be back by line-up?. He got back just as rehearsal was ending, listened for a few seconds, and said: ?That?s fine, stay there, it?s all yours?. Quite daunting, doing the show with the legendary Len Shorey sitting behind me! I never forgot that. Needless to say, Sam got to hear about it and I was summoned to the sixth floor. I got a bollocking swiftly followed by glowing congrats. Didn?t do me any good though, I never made it to Sound Supervisor, they said I looked too young - yes, really! Reaping the benefit of that now, though - 76 and still working! Nick. Sent from my iPad On 15 Feb 2019, at 21:20, David Newbitt wrote: Concur totally with Nick re Len Shorey ? he sure knew how to inject excitement into music. Knew how to deal with band members as well. Once, in the orch. room at TVT one of the band was irritated by the layout of cables around him and gave vent to ?f....ng? cables, the remark picked up and the voice recognised in the Control Room. Len strode down and said to the complainant ?is this f....ng cable bothering you ?cos if it is I?ll f....ng well move it?. Collapse of stout party! Dave Newbitt. From: Nick Ware via Tech1 Sent: Friday, February 15, 2019 8:51 PM To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] AXBT on RT cover Len used to do that when each member of the brass expected to be individually mic?d. It was all part of his bullshit-defeat tactics, and often as not, and unbeknown to them, the mic cable was tossed behind the flat and not even plugged in. But it kept them happy. Len was my hero, and one of the best things that ever happened to me was being ?attached? to him for Sound Training. Nick. Sent from my iPad On 15 Feb 2019, at 14:13, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: I remember a technique of stuffing a bit of fag packet (or cardboard) into the hinge of a 4038 to alter the pick-up pattern ? why? Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: John Howell via Tech1 Sent: 15 February 2019 14:00 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] AXBT on RT cover Those connectors are correct & usually at the rear, but careful Pat, not all ribbons are figure of 8, I have one that has a cardioid pattern: STC 4113. 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I think I did grams on Beat Room, or maybe I was just hanging around for the totty, lots of totty! And, back on topic, I had a pair of 4038?s for several decades, but never felt the need to put a fag packet on them. No fags, you see... Nick. Sent from my iPad On 15 Feb 2019, at 21:45, dave.mdv > wrote: The first time I saw that combination was on the newly started BBC2, a program called 'Beat Room', and I think it was a Brian Forgham idea. Cheers, Dave -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Sat Feb 16 03:10:23 2019 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2019 09:10:23 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] 4038+fag packet Message-ID: <851b1be2-d1f2-3d3d-318f-ee99ca1ddda2@btinternet.com> The first time I saw that combination was on the newly started BBC2, a program called 'Beat Room', and I think it was a Brian Forgham idea. Cheers, Dave From peter.neill at icloud.com Sat Feb 16 03:15:22 2019 From: peter.neill at icloud.com (Peter Neill) Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2019 14:45:22 +0530 Subject: [Tech1] 4038+fag packet In-Reply-To: <851b1be2-d1f2-3d3d-318f-ee99ca1ddda2@btinternet.com> References: <851b1be2-d1f2-3d3d-318f-ee99ca1ddda2@btinternet.com> Message-ID: I?m surprised you noticed the mics, Dave, with the Beat Girls around. Sent from my iPhone. Apologies for typos and autocorruptions. > On 16 Feb 2019, at 14:40, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: > > The first time I saw that combination was on the newly started BBC2, a program called 'Beat Room', and I think it was a Brian Forgham idea. Cheers, Dave > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From hughsheppard at btinternet.com Sat Feb 16 03:29:15 2019 From: hughsheppard at btinternet.com (Hugh Sheppard) Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2019 09:29:15 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] AXBT on RT cover In-Reply-To: References: <5c66b6f7.1c69fb81.a1b49.16bc@mx.google.com> <794a3d43-faf5-3b96-ad2f-a2b3ce55cc91@howell61.f9.co.uk> <5c66c8fc.1c69fb81.dd427.032f@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <259acbf1-cb3f-1a97-01c3-01aaa33ce9b5@btinternet.com> Once again, the name of the late great Len Shorey as a hero for so many comes to the fore.? I'm quite sure that had his path taken him to Abbey Road,? he would have been a star in the industry's hall of fame. To repeat my enquiry from when he went to re-record the fanfare at the Pearly Gates, can anyone point to any archived recordings that ensure Len's genius lives on? Hugh On 15-Feb-19 9:20 PM, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: > Concur totally with Nick re Len Shorey ? he sure knew how to inject > excitement into music. Knew how to deal with band members as well. > Once, in the orch. room at TVT one of the band was irritated by the > layout of cables around him and gave vent to ?f....ng? cables, the > remark? picked up and the voice recognised in the Control Room. Len > strode down and said to the complainant ?is this f....ng cable > bothering you ?cos if it is I?ll f....ng well move it?. Collapse of > stout party! > Dave Newbitt. > *From:* Nick Ware via Tech1 > *Sent:* Friday, February 15, 2019 8:51 PM > *To:* tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > *Subject:* Re: [Tech1] AXBT on RT cover > Len used to do that when each member of the brass expected to be > individually mic?d. It was all part of his bullshit-defeat tactics, > and often as not, and unbeknown to them, the mic cable was tossed > behind the flat and not even plugged in. But it kept them happy. > Len was my hero, and one of the best things that ever happened to me > was being ?attached? to him for Sound Training. > Nick. > Sent from my iPad > > On 15 Feb 2019, at 14:13, patheigham via Tech1 > wrote: > >> I remember a technique of stuffing a bit of fag packet (or cardboard) >> into the hinge of a 4038 to alter the pick-up pattern ? why? >> >> Sent from Mail for >> Windows 10 >> >> *From: *John Howell via Tech1 >> *Sent: *15 February 2019 14:00 >> *To: *tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> *Subject: *Re: [Tech1] AXBT on RT cover >> >> Those connectors are correct & usually at the rear, but careful Pat, >> >> not all ribbons are figure of 8, I have one that has a cardioid >> pattern: STC 4113. >> >> >> >> Virus-free. www.avast.com >> >> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hughsheppard at btinternet.com Sat Feb 16 03:40:24 2019 From: hughsheppard at btinternet.com (Hugh Sheppard) Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2019 09:40:24 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Pat Gorman In-Reply-To: References: <1648114698.1302653.1550228848884.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1648114698.1302653.1550228848884@mail.yahoo.com> <00ae01d4c541$6f717680$4e546380$@theeccles.uk> <5c66ff20.1c69fb81.ec8e4.8f7d@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <495ed930-c3aa-ab1c-e46d-5ad2749779fe@btinternet.com> Blimey!? Back again: Methinks Nick is recalling Jack Rosenthal's 'Ready When You Are, Mr McGill' starring Jack Shepherd,? A clip and maybe more is on YouTube. Hugh On 15-Feb-19 9:21 PM, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: > I?m reminded of a comedy sketch, or was it a feature film? Maybe > French and Saunders, or was it The Two Ronnies? Morecambe and Wise, > even - or perhaps Smith and Jones? I worked on all of those - - so > confusing. > Anyway, it was all about a couple of extras who have the deluded idea > that they are the important ones in the movie, and that the ?speaking > parts? are only there to support their (the extras) starring roles. > They sit around during their downtime name-dropping big-deal movies > they?ve worked on. > But what made it so funny was that nobody would do that in real life, > would they? > Nick. > Sent from my iPad > > On 15 Feb 2019, at 18:04, patheigham via Tech1 > wrote: > >> I didn?t know Pat Gorman, but sympathize with his role as an ?extra?. >> >> One job I was on was to be a film news crew for an episode of >> London?s Burning. >> >> How ?boring was that! Being used to working on every set-up, the >> downtime sitting >> >> in the catering bus at night was utterly mind-numbing. >> >> Best >> >> Pat >> >> Sent from Mail for >> Windows 10 >> >> *From: *Martin Eccles via Tech1 >> *Sent: *15 February 2019 15:17 >> *To: *tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> *Subject: *Re: [Tech1] Pat Gorman >> >> Pat never seemed out of work and was always in many of the police series. >> >> He would always come and talk with the crew. >> >> >> >> Virus-free. www.avast.com >> >> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From geoffletch at gmail.com Sat Feb 16 04:19:33 2019 From: geoffletch at gmail.com (Geoff Fletcher) Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2019 10:19:33 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] 4038+fag packet In-Reply-To: References: <851b1be2-d1f2-3d3d-318f-ee99ca1ddda2@btinternet.com> Message-ID: Going back a bit Dave and Peter. Here's the first mention of Beat Room in my diaries. Thursday 20th August 1964 *Off Duty* *Watched Beat Room in TC4. Chatted with Bob M, Jim, Rex, Pete, Geoff Beech, Roger, Pete Shaw. Tony, Bob etc. Brenda Lee and Swinging Blue Jeans on show. Cards at flat at night with Jim.* On Sat, Feb 16, 2019 at 9:15 AM Peter Neill via Tech1 wrote: > I?m surprised you noticed the mics, Dave, with the Beat Girls around. > > Sent from my iPhone. Apologies for typos and autocorruptions. > > > On 16 Feb 2019, at 14:40, dave.mdv via Tech1 > wrote: > > > > The first time I saw that combination was on the newly started BBC2, a > program called 'Beat Room', and I think it was a Brian Forgham idea. > Cheers, Dave > > > > -- > > Tech1 mailing list > > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From peter.neill at icloud.com Sat Feb 16 04:36:20 2019 From: peter.neill at icloud.com (Peter Neill) Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2019 16:06:20 +0530 Subject: [Tech1] 4038+fag packet In-Reply-To: References: <851b1be2-d1f2-3d3d-318f-ee99ca1ddda2@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <40469E5C-30F5-4272-9CD6-A32373170571@icloud.com> Just had a look at Wikipedia (always a mistake) and it says that it was directed by Jim Moir. Now, I don?t remember Jim directing anything and I thought at that time he was Terry Henebery?s PA on Jazz 625. Any thoughts anyone? Sent from my iPhone. Apologies for typos and autocorruptions. > On 16 Feb 2019, at 15:49, Geoff Fletcher wrote: > > Going back a bit Dave and Peter. Here's the first mention of Beat Room in my diaries. > Thursday 20th August 1964 > > Off Duty > > > > Watched Beat Room in TC4. Chatted with Bob M, Jim, Rex, Pete, Geoff Beech, Roger, Pete Shaw. Tony, Bob etc. Brenda Lee and Swinging Blue Jeans on show. Cards at flat at night with Jim. > > >> On Sat, Feb 16, 2019 at 9:15 AM Peter Neill via Tech1 wrote: >> I?m surprised you noticed the mics, Dave, with the Beat Girls around. >> >> Sent from my iPhone. Apologies for typos and autocorruptions. >> >> > On 16 Feb 2019, at 14:40, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: >> > >> > The first time I saw that combination was on the newly started BBC2, a program called 'Beat Room', and I think it was a Brian Forgham idea. Cheers, Dave >> > >> > -- >> > Tech1 mailing list >> > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Waresound at msn.com Sat Feb 16 04:46:25 2019 From: Waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2019 10:46:25 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Pat Gorman In-Reply-To: <495ed930-c3aa-ab1c-e46d-5ad2749779fe@btinternet.com> References: <1648114698.1302653.1550228848884.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1648114698.1302653.1550228848884@mail.yahoo.com> <00ae01d4c541$6f717680$4e546380$@theeccles.uk> <5c66ff20.1c69fb81.ec8e4.8f7d@mx.google.com> , <495ed930-c3aa-ab1c-e46d-5ad2749779fe@btinternet.com> Message-ID: Ah yes, of course it was. A classic. (Silly me). N. Sent from my iPad On 16 Feb 2019, at 09:40, Hugh Sheppard > wrote: Blimey! Back again: Methinks Nick is recalling Jack Rosenthal's 'Ready When You Are, Mr McGill' starring Jack Shepherd, A clip and maybe more is on YouTube. Hugh On 15-Feb-19 9:21 PM, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: I?m reminded of a comedy sketch, or was it a feature film? Maybe French and Saunders, or was it The Two Ronnies? Morecambe and Wise, even - or perhaps Smith and Jones? I worked on all of those - - so confusing. Anyway, it was all about a couple of extras who have the deluded idea that they are the important ones in the movie, and that the ?speaking parts? are only there to support their (the extras) starring roles. They sit around during their downtime name-dropping big-deal movies they?ve worked on. But what made it so funny was that nobody would do that in real life, would they? Nick. Sent from my iPad On 15 Feb 2019, at 18:04, patheigham via Tech1 > wrote: I didn?t know Pat Gorman, but sympathize with his role as an ?extra?. One job I was on was to be a film news crew for an episode of London?s Burning. How boring was that! Being used to working on every set-up, the downtime sitting in the catering bus at night was utterly mind-numbing. Best Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Martin Eccles via Tech1 Sent: 15 February 2019 15:17 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Pat Gorman Pat never seemed out of work and was always in many of the police series. He would always come and talk with the crew. [https://ipmcdn.avast.com/images/icons/icon-envelope-tick-round-orange-animated-no-repeat-v1.gif] Virus-free. www.avast.com -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ohbytheway.tv at gmail.com Sat Feb 16 04:51:52 2019 From: ohbytheway.tv at gmail.com (David Denness) Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2019 10:51:52 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] 4038+fag packet In-Reply-To: <851b1be2-d1f2-3d3d-318f-ee99ca1ddda2@btinternet.com> References: <851b1be2-d1f2-3d3d-318f-ee99ca1ddda2@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <000601d4c5e5$a1cf5850$e56e08f0$@gmail.com> Dave, I remember it well, and you're right it was BF. Another great mixer and wonderful man. -----Original Message----- From: Tech1 On Behalf Of dave.mdv via Tech1 Sent: 16 February 2019 09:10 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: [Tech1] 4038+fag packet The first time I saw that combination was on the newly started BBC2, a program called 'Beat Room', and I think it was a Brian Forgham idea. Cheers, Dave -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From barrybonner119 at btinternet.com Sat Feb 16 04:57:34 2019 From: barrybonner119 at btinternet.com (Barry Bonner) Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2019 10:57:34 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] 4038+fag packet In-Reply-To: <40469E5C-30F5-4272-9CD6-A32373170571@icloud.com> References: <851b1be2-d1f2-3d3d-318f-ee99ca1ddda2@btinternet.com> <40469E5C-30F5-4272-9CD6-A32373170571@icloud.com> Message-ID: <255BFCEC-100B-4EDB-9373-659EE1993585@btinternet.com> Hi Peter, I worked on ?The Beat Room? after they changed its name to ?Gadzooks? from Feb ?65 to May which went out live on Monday nights. I remember Barry Langford directing some of them. On one occasion just before transmission he fell down the stairs in TC3 and was knocked unconscious, the vision mixer who might have been Dicky Pigg directed the show! Barry. On 16 Feb 2019, at 10:36, Peter Neill via Tech1 wrote: > Just had a look at Wikipedia (always a mistake) and it says that it was directed by Jim Moir. Now, I don?t remember Jim directing anything and I thought at that time he was Terry Henebery?s PA on Jazz 625. > > Any thoughts anyone? > > > Sent from my iPhone. Apologies for typos and autocorruptions. > > On 16 Feb 2019, at 15:49, Geoff Fletcher wrote: > >> Going back a bit Dave and Peter. Here's the first mention of Beat Room in my diaries. >> Thursday 20th August 1964 >> >> Off Duty >> >> >> >> Watched Beat Room in TC4. Chatted with Bob M, Jim, Rex, Pete, Geoff Beech, Roger, Pete Shaw. Tony, Bob etc. Brenda Lee and Swinging Blue Jeans on show. Cards at flat at night with Jim. >> >> >> On Sat, Feb 16, 2019 at 9:15 AM Peter Neill via Tech1 wrote: >> I?m surprised you noticed the mics, Dave, with the Beat Girls around. >> >> Sent from my iPhone. Apologies for typos and autocorruptions. >> >> > On 16 Feb 2019, at 14:40, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: >> > >> > The first time I saw that combination was on the newly started BBC2, a program called 'Beat Room', and I think it was a Brian Forgham idea. Cheers, Dave >> > >> > -- >> > Tech1 mailing list >> > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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IMDb credit Jim Moir with directing seven Beat Room programmes (1964-1965). Jim Moir also directed various other programmes, but was more often the producer. See: https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0596165/ KW On Sat, 16 Feb 2019 at 10:36, Peter Neill via Tech1 wrote: > Just had a look at Wikipedia (always a mistake) and it says that it was > directed by Jim Moir. Now, I don?t remember Jim directing anything and I > thought at that time he was Terry Henebery?s PA on Jazz 625. > > Any thoughts anyone? > > > Sent from my iPhone. Apologies for typos and autocorruptions. > > On 16 Feb 2019, at 15:49, Geoff Fletcher wrote: > > Going back a bit Dave and Peter. Here's the first mention of Beat Room in > my diaries. > > Thursday 20th August 1964 > > *Off Duty* > > > > *Watched Beat Room in TC4. Chatted with Bob M, Jim, Rex, Pete, Geoff > Beech, Roger, Pete Shaw. Tony, Bob etc. Brenda Lee and Swinging Blue Jeans > on show. Cards at flat at night with Jim.* > > On Sat, Feb 16, 2019 at 9:15 AM Peter Neill via Tech1 < > tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote: > >> I?m surprised you noticed the mics, Dave, with the Beat Girls around. >> >> Sent from my iPhone. Apologies for typos and autocorruptions. >> >> > On 16 Feb 2019, at 14:40, dave.mdv via Tech1 >> wrote: >> > >> > The first time I saw that combination was on the newly started BBC2, a >> program called 'Beat Room', and I think it was a Brian Forgham idea. >> Cheers, Dave >> > >> > -- >> > Tech1 mailing list >> > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From peter.neill at icloud.com Sat Feb 16 05:13:15 2019 From: peter.neill at icloud.com (Peter Neill) Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2019 16:43:15 +0530 Subject: [Tech1] 4038+fag packet In-Reply-To: References: <851b1be2-d1f2-3d3d-318f-ee99ca1ddda2@btinternet.com> <40469E5C-30F5-4272-9CD6-A32373170571@icloud.com> Message-ID: <42B59D42-9186-4321-A67A-E0E42617B708@icloud.com> To be honest, I regard IMDB with as much scepticism as Wikipedia ? they are often only quoting each other. When I get back home I shall check some BBC records. I?m happy to be proved wrong, of course. Sent from my iPhone. Apologies for typos and autocorruptions. > On 16 Feb 2019, at 16:38, Keith Wicks wrote: > > Looking at Wikipedia is not always a mistake. > IMDb credit Jim Moir with directing seven Beat Room programmes (1964-1965). > Jim Moir also directed various other programmes, but was more often the producer. > See: > https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0596165/ > KW > > >> On Sat, 16 Feb 2019 at 10:36, Peter Neill via Tech1 wrote: >> Just had a look at Wikipedia (always a mistake) and it says that it was directed by Jim Moir. Now, I don?t remember Jim directing anything and I thought at that time he was Terry Henebery?s PA on Jazz 625. >> >> Any thoughts anyone? >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone. Apologies for typos and autocorruptions. >> >>> On 16 Feb 2019, at 15:49, Geoff Fletcher wrote: >>> >>> Going back a bit Dave and Peter. Here's the first mention of Beat Room in my diaries. >>> Thursday 20th August 1964 >>> >>> Off Duty >>> >>> >>> >>> Watched Beat Room in TC4. Chatted with Bob M, Jim, Rex, Pete, Geoff Beech, Roger, Pete Shaw. Tony, Bob etc. Brenda Lee and Swinging Blue Jeans on show. Cards at flat at night with Jim. >>> >>> >>>> On Sat, Feb 16, 2019 at 9:15 AM Peter Neill via Tech1 wrote: >>>> I?m surprised you noticed the mics, Dave, with the Beat Girls around. >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone. Apologies for typos and autocorruptions. >>>> >>>> > On 16 Feb 2019, at 14:40, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: >>>> > >>>> > The first time I saw that combination was on the newly started BBC2, a program called 'Beat Room', and I think it was a Brian Forgham idea. 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URL: From dave at davesound.co.uk Sat Feb 16 05:22:13 2019 From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman) Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2019 11:22:13 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Tech1] AXBT on RT cover In-Reply-To: <259acbf1-cb3f-1a97-01c3-01aaa33ce9b5@btinternet.com> References: <5c66b6f7.1c69fb81.a1b49.16bc@mx.google.com> <794a3d43-faf5-3b96-ad2f-a2b3ce55cc91@howell61.f9.co.uk> <5c66c8fc.1c69fb81.dd427.032f@mx.google.com> <259acbf1-cb3f-1a97-01c3-01aaa33ce9b5@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <5787341984dave@davesound.co.uk> In article <259acbf1-cb3f-1a97-01c3-01aaa33ce9b5 at btinternet.com>, Hugh Sheppard via Tech1 wrote: > Once again, the name of the late great Len Shorey as a hero for so many > comes to the fore. I'm quite sure that had his path taken him to Abbey > Road, he would have been a star in the industry's hall of fame. Possibly. Although the ability to get a really nice noise out of a band in a TV studio where things don't just revolve around the sound side may have been unique to the likes of Len. As it were. -- *I started out with nothing, and I still have most of it* Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From bernie833 at gmail.com Sat Feb 16 08:13:36 2019 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2019 14:13:36 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: Re: TC tour In-Reply-To: <93206B0F-4D7D-4F50-9D3F-F03F841BCAC9@mac.com> References: <93206B0F-4D7D-4F50-9D3F-F03F841BCAC9@mac.com> Message-ID: <296ddb5f-df4a-27f0-717b-9176c16e0d2e@gmail.com> -------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: Re: [Tech1] TC tour Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2019 13:14:16 +0000 From: Mike Felton To: Bernie Newnham If you navigate to the fifth floor (North-ish side) circular corridor there are flight cases parked for a film shoot. The adjacent suite of offices are dressed as a location. You can navigate into the offices and judging by typewriters etc it was a period drama and a calendar on a wall shows 1963. Also a view from the ground floor South Hall shows the cherry picker with light pointing at these offices. Anyone remember what the programme or film was? Mike __________________ Mike Felton M +44 (0)7595 367228 H +44 (0)20 8876 6122 mike.felton at mac.com > On 10 Feb 2019, at 20:12, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 > > wrote: > > > Following on from this post by David - I for one didn't know this tour > existed - I'm working on a page for the website. I've grabbed a couple > of pics of each studio and what I'd like to put in are stories based > on each one, as many as people feel like sending. They don't need to > be witty or earth-shattering, just vignettes of life in a TC studio.? > This is so far, with no stories, of course. I await stuff to fill in > the page........ > > B > > > > > > > On 07/02/2019 20:48, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: >> I learned today of a Feb 2013 Google Street View tour of TC. As a >> relative newcomer to the forum it may well be the case that I am >> finding things you all know about anyway. It is a full circuit tour- >> every floor etc. Opening shot:- >>
>> Link is here if anyone isn?t already aware https://bit.ly/2Kpmx4Q >> Dave Newbitt. >> > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From billjenkin67 at gmail.com Sat Feb 16 08:23:43 2019 From: billjenkin67 at gmail.com (Bill Jenkin) Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2019 14:23:43 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: Re: TC tour In-Reply-To: <296ddb5f-df4a-27f0-717b-9176c16e0d2e@gmail.com> References: <93206B0F-4D7D-4F50-9D3F-F03F841BCAC9@mac.com> <296ddb5f-df4a-27f0-717b-9176c16e0d2e@gmail.com> Message-ID: It may have been for "An Adventure in Space and Time" which I think was being shot around that time. BJ On Sat, 16 Feb 2019, 14:14 Bernard Newnham via Tech1 > > > -------- Forwarded Message -------- > Subject: Re: [Tech1] TC tour > Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2019 13:14:16 +0000 > From: Mike Felton > To: Bernie Newnham > > > If you navigate to the fifth floor (North-ish side) circular corridor > there are flight cases parked for a film shoot. The adjacent suite of > offices are dressed as a location. You can navigate into the offices and > judging by typewriters etc it was a period drama and a calendar on a wall > shows 1963. Also a view from the ground floor South Hall shows the cherry > picker with light pointing at these offices. > > Anyone remember what the programme or film was? > > Mike > > __________________ > Mike Felton > M +44 (0)7595 367228 > H +44 (0)20 8876 6122 > mike.felton at mac.com > > > > > On 10 Feb 2019, at 20:12, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 > wrote: > > > Following on from this post by David - I for one didn't know this tour > existed - I'm working on a page for the website. I've grabbed a couple of > pics of each studio and what I'd like to put in are stories based on each > one, as many as people feel like sending. They don't need to be witty or > earth-shattering, just vignettes of life in a TC studio. This is so far, > with no stories, of course. I await stuff to fill in the page........ > > B > > > > > > > On 07/02/2019 20:48, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: > > I learned today of a Feb 2013 Google Street View tour of TC. As a relative > newcomer to the forum it may well be the case that I am finding things you > all know about anyway. It is a full circuit tour- every floor etc. Opening > shot:- > >
> > Link is here if anyone isn?t already aware https://bit.ly/2Kpmx4Q > > Dave Newbitt. > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ian.norman at armoor.co.uk Sat Feb 16 08:24:53 2019 From: ian.norman at armoor.co.uk (Ian Norman) Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2019 14:24:53 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: Re: TC tour In-Reply-To: <296ddb5f-df4a-27f0-717b-9176c16e0d2e@gmail.com> References: <93206B0F-4D7D-4F50-9D3F-F03F841BCAC9@mac.com> <296ddb5f-df4a-27f0-717b-9176c16e0d2e@gmail.com> Message-ID: <7396203e-84b8-94f8-226c-88e220a59c9c@armoor.co.uk> > If you navigate to the fifth floor (North-ish side) circular corridor > there are flight cases parked for a film shoot. The adjacent suite of > offices are dressed as a location. You can navigate into the offices and > judging by typewriters etc it was a period drama and a calendar on a > wall shows 1963. Also a view from the ground floor South Hall shows the > cherry picker with light pointing at these offices. Is it possibly "An Adventure in Space and Time" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/An_Adventure_in_Space_and_Time Best regards Ian Norman Email: mailto:ian.norman at armoor.co.uk Telephone: 01643 888181 On 16/02/2019 14:13, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: > > > > -------- Forwarded Message -------- > Subject: Re: [Tech1] TC tour > Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2019 13:14:16 +0000 > From: Mike Felton > To: Bernie Newnham > > > > If you navigate to the fifth floor (North-ish side) circular corridor > there are flight cases parked for a film shoot. The adjacent suite of > offices are dressed as a location. You can navigate into the offices and > judging by typewriters etc it was a period drama and a calendar on a > wall shows 1963. Also a view from the ground floor South Hall shows the > cherry picker with light pointing at these offices. > > Anyone remember what the programme or film was? > > Mike > > __________________ > Mike Felton > M +44 (0)7595 367228 > H +44 (0)20 8876 6122 > mike.felton at mac.com > > > > >> On 10 Feb 2019, at 20:12, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 >> > wrote: >> >> >> Following on from this post by David - I for one didn't know this tour >> existed - I'm working on a page for the website. I've grabbed a couple >> of pics of each studio and what I'd like to put in are stories based >> on each one, as many as people feel like sending. They don't need to >> be witty or earth-shattering, just vignettes of life in a TC studio. >> This is so far, with no stories, of course. I await stuff to fill in >> the page........ >> >> B >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On 07/02/2019 20:48, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: >>> I learned today of a Feb 2013 Google Street View tour of TC. As a >>> relative newcomer to the forum it may well be the case that I am >>> finding things you all know about anyway. It is a full circuit tour- >>> every floor etc. Opening shot:- >>> >>>
>>> >>> Link is here if anyone isn?t already aware https://bit.ly/2Kpmx4Q >>> >>> Dave Newbitt. >>> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > > From paul at pgtmedia.co.uk Sat Feb 16 08:25:41 2019 From: paul at pgtmedia.co.uk (Paul Thackray) Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2019 14:25:41 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: Re: TC tour In-Reply-To: <296ddb5f-df4a-27f0-717b-9176c16e0d2e@gmail.com> References: <93206B0F-4D7D-4F50-9D3F-F03F841BCAC9@mac.com> <296ddb5f-df4a-27f0-717b-9176c16e0d2e@gmail.com> Message-ID: I think it was a Doctor Who drama , which I was asked to work on, but didn't as they could not afford my rate On 16/02/2019 14:13, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: > > > > -------- Forwarded Message -------- > Subject: Re: [Tech1] TC tour > Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2019 13:14:16 +0000 > From: Mike Felton > To: Bernie Newnham > > > > If you navigate to the fifth floor (North-ish side) circular corridor > there are flight cases parked for a film shoot. The adjacent suite of > offices are dressed as a location. You can navigate into the offices > and judging by typewriters etc it was a period drama and a calendar on > a wall shows 1963. Also a view from the ground floor South Hall shows > the cherry picker with light pointing at these offices. > Anyone remember what the programme or film was? > > Mike > > __________________ > Mike Felton > M +44 (0)7595 367228 > H +44 (0)20 8876 6122 > mike.felton at mac.com > > > > >> On 10 Feb 2019, at 20:12, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 >> > wrote: >> >> >> Following on from this post by David - I for one didn't know this >> tour existed - I'm working on a page for the website. I've grabbed a >> couple of pics of each studio and what I'd like to put in are stories >> based on each one, as many as people feel like sending. They don't >> need to be witty or earth-shattering, just vignettes of life in a TC >> studio.? This is so far, with no stories, of course. I await stuff to >> fill in the page........ >> >> B >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On 07/02/2019 20:48, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: >>> I learned today of a Feb 2013 Google Street View tour of TC. As a >>> relative newcomer to the forum it may well be the case that I am >>> finding things you all know about anyway. It is a full circuit tour- >>> every floor etc. Opening shot:- >>>
>>> Link is here if anyone isn?t already aware https://bit.ly/2Kpmx4Q >>> Dave Newbitt. >>> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- Paul Thackray PGT Media Consulting Ltd. +44 7802 243979 Mail; paul at pgtmedia.co.uk Web; http://www.pgtmedia.co.uk Linkedin; http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/paul-thackray/19/379/746 IMDB; http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1488554/ --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From davidvbrunt at gmail.com Sat Feb 16 08:25:47 2019 From: davidvbrunt at gmail.com (David Brunt) Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2019 14:25:47 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: Re: TC tour In-Reply-To: <296ddb5f-df4a-27f0-717b-9176c16e0d2e@gmail.com> References: <93206B0F-4D7D-4F50-9D3F-F03F841BCAC9@mac.com> <296ddb5f-df4a-27f0-717b-9176c16e0d2e@gmail.com> Message-ID: It would have been the ?early days of Doctor Who? drama ?An Adventure in Time and Space?. It was part filmed in TV Centre just before it closed. From: Bernard Newnham via Tech1 Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2019 2:13 PM To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: Re: TC tour -------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: Re: [Tech1] TC tour Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2019 13:14:16 +0000 From: Mike Felton mailto:mike.felton at mac.com To: Bernie Newnham mailto:bernard.newnham at ntlworld.com If you navigate to the fifth floor (North-ish side) circular corridor there are flight cases parked for a film shoot. The adjacent suite of offices are dressed as a location. You can navigate into the offices and judging by typewriters etc it was a period drama and a calendar on a wall shows 1963. Also a view from the ground floor South Hall shows the cherry picker with light pointing at these offices. Anyone remember what the programme or film was? Mike __________________ Mike Felton M +44 (0)7595 367228 H +44 (0)20 8876 6122 mike.felton at mac.com On 10 Feb 2019, at 20:12, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: Following on from this post by David - I for one didn't know this tour existed - I'm working on a page for the website. I've grabbed a couple of pics of each studio and what I'd like to put in are stories based on each one, as many as people feel like sending. They don't need to be witty or earth-shattering, just vignettes of life in a TC studio. This is so far, with no stories, of course. I await stuff to fill in the page........ B On 07/02/2019 20:48, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: I learned today of a Feb 2013 Google Street View tour of TC. As a relative newcomer to the forum it may well be the case that I am finding things you all know about anyway. It is a full circuit tour- every floor etc. Opening shot:-
Link is here if anyone isn?t already aware https://bit.ly/2Kpmx4Q Dave Newbitt. -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From peter.neill at icloud.com Sat Feb 16 09:38:11 2019 From: peter.neill at icloud.com (Peter Neill) Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2019 21:08:11 +0530 Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: Re: TC tour In-Reply-To: <296ddb5f-df4a-27f0-717b-9176c16e0d2e@gmail.com> References: <93206B0F-4D7D-4F50-9D3F-F03F841BCAC9@mac.com> <296ddb5f-df4a-27f0-717b-9176c16e0d2e@gmail.com> Message-ID: <3A84A861-45FF-445E-8E39-6FBDE81B51EC@icloud.com> I think it was An Adventure in Space and Time - the drama about the making of Doctor Who. https://g.co/kgs/nHJDuC Sent from my iPhone. Apologies for typos and autocorruptions. > On 16 Feb 2019, at 19:43, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: > > > > > -------- Forwarded Message -------- > Subject: Re: [Tech1] TC tour > Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2019 13:14:16 +0000 > From: Mike Felton > To: Bernie Newnham > > > If you navigate to the fifth floor (North-ish side) circular corridor there are flight cases parked for a film shoot. The adjacent suite of offices are dressed as a location. You can navigate into the offices and judging by typewriters etc it was a period drama and a calendar on a wall shows 1963. Also a view from the ground floor South Hall shows the cherry picker with light pointing at these offices. > > Anyone remember what the programme or film was? > > Mike > > __________________ > Mike Felton > M +44 (0)7595 367228 > H +44 (0)20 8876 6122 > mike.felton at mac.com > > > > >> On 10 Feb 2019, at 20:12, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: >> >> >> Following on from this post by David - I for one didn't know this tour existed - I'm working on a page for the website. I've grabbed a couple of pics of each studio and what I'd like to put in are stories based on each one, as many as people feel like sending. They don't need to be witty or earth-shattering, just vignettes of life in a TC studio. This is so far, with no stories, of course. I await stuff to fill in the page........ >> >> B >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> On 07/02/2019 20:48, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: >>> I learned today of a Feb 2013 Google Street View tour of TC. As a relative newcomer to the forum it may well be the case that I am finding things you all know about anyway. It is a full circuit tour- every floor etc. Opening shot:- >>> >>>
>>> >>> Link is here if anyone isn?t already aware https://bit.ly/2Kpmx4Q >>> >>> Dave Newbitt. >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Tue Feb 19 16:07:07 2019 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2019 22:07:07 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Heads-up Message-ID: <484bfb60-6bc2-71f6-f88b-21870137b68b@btinternet.com> The latest version of 'Crap Cleaner' is now available from Piriform.com and the latest update of Ashampoo Burning Studio FREE 1.20.2 is also now available from Ashampoo (much smaller than Nero!). Cheers, Dave From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Tue Feb 19 16:34:25 2019 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2019 22:34:25 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Candle in the Wind Message-ID: <9785f705-7289-9a6e-5db3-e8ab7fc6b3f4@btinternet.com> I have just found Elton John's performance on YouTube from the funeral of Princess Di. It was one of my most stressful moments ever on OBs as my scanner's sound desk was notoriously unreliable and especially Group 5 where Elton's mics were! I had spent a week in base cleaning every plug and socket on the desk (and there were very many!) and sat with eveything crossed during the show! Luckily it all worked perfectly on the day! I still don't know why he had to re-record it in a studio afterwards, adding a cello, as we had done a multitrack recording of the piece anyway. Cheers, Dave From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Tue Feb 19 17:25:02 2019 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2019 23:25:02 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: Heads-up In-Reply-To: <484bfb60-6bc2-71f6-f88b-21870137b68b@btinternet.com> References: <484bfb60-6bc2-71f6-f88b-21870137b68b@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <6299e920-9363-8d3b-a44e-8dc202fa3619@btinternet.com> This was sent 27 minutes before the Elton John one - why the delay? Cheers, Dave -------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: Heads-up Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2019 22:07:07 +0000 From: dave.mdv To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk, Phil , Pete Thomas , Dave The latest version of 'Crap Cleaner' is now available from Piriform.com and the latest update of Ashampoo Burning Studio FREE 1.20.2 is also now available from Ashampoo (much smaller than Nero!). Cheers, Dave From bernie833 at gmail.com Wed Feb 20 04:18:50 2019 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2019 10:18:50 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: Heads-up In-Reply-To: <6299e920-9363-8d3b-a44e-8dc202fa3619@btinternet.com> References: <484bfb60-6bc2-71f6-f88b-21870137b68b@btinternet.com> <6299e920-9363-8d3b-a44e-8dc202fa3619@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <19bc1e3f-c008-f89c-fade-26054ebe4e80@gmail.com> I think the system sends emails in blocks at intervals. B On 19/02/2019 23:25, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: > This was sent 27 minutes before the Elton John one - why the delay? > Cheers, Dave > > > -------- Forwarded Message -------- > Subject: Heads-up > Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2019 22:07:07 +0000 > From: dave.mdv > To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk, Phil , Pete > Thomas , Dave > > The latest version of 'Crap Cleaner' is now available from > Piriform.com and the latest update of Ashampoo Burning Studio FREE > 1.20.2 is also now available from Ashampoo (much smaller than Nero!). > Cheers, Dave > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ohbytheway.tv at gmail.com Wed Feb 20 05:04:25 2019 From: ohbytheway.tv at gmail.com (David Denness) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2019 11:04:25 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: Heads-up In-Reply-To: <6299e920-9363-8d3b-a44e-8dc202fa3619@btinternet.com> References: <484bfb60-6bc2-71f6-f88b-21870137b68b@btinternet.com> <6299e920-9363-8d3b-a44e-8dc202fa3619@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <000001d4c90c$0ad8d500$208a7f00$@gmail.com> Dave, I received the crap cleaner email at 22:08 and candle at 22:35, if that helps -----Original Message----- From: Tech1 On Behalf Of dave.mdv via Tech1 Sent: 19 February 2019 23:25 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: Heads-up This was sent 27 minutes before the Elton John one - why the delay? Cheers, Dave -------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: Heads-up Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2019 22:07:07 +0000 From: dave.mdv To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk, Phil , Pete Thomas , Dave The latest version of 'Crap Cleaner' is now available from Piriform.com and the latest update of Ashampoo Burning Studio FREE 1.20.2 is also now available from Ashampoo (much smaller than Nero!). Cheers, Dave -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From patheigham at amps.net Wed Feb 20 13:27:50 2019 From: patheigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2019 19:27:50 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Heads-up In-Reply-To: <484bfb60-6bc2-71f6-f88b-21870137b68b@btinternet.com> References: <484bfb60-6bc2-71f6-f88b-21870137b68b@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <5c6daa35.1c69fb81.4e546.bd64@mx.google.com> I?ve been using Free version CCleaner for some time, and find that it works well. However ? beware of what you ask it to ?clean? / ?delete? As a colleague found that files he wished to keep had disappeared! So check the left hand menu column for instruction (tick) Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: dave.mdv via Tech1 Sent: 19 February 2019 22:07 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk; Phil; Pete Thomas; Dave Subject: [Tech1] Heads-up The latest version of 'Crap Cleaner' is now available from Piriform.com --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Best Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave at davesound.co.uk Fri Feb 22 05:11:49 2019 From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2019 11:11:49 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Tech1] To scam or not to scam? In-Reply-To: <5c6ebee8.1c69fb81.646c2.64f2@mx.google.com> References: <5c6ebee8.1c69fb81.646c2.64f2@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <578a4a2976dave@davesound.co.uk> These simple quizzes, funded by the cost of the call, have been going on for ages. Ch5 run lots. Just another form of online etc gambling. Some do give you the chance of a free entry by posting your answer to them. In article <5c6ebee8.1c69fb81.646c2.64f2 at mx.google.com>, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > I?m guilty of watching lunch-time TV. > Today there was a commercial inviting viewers to find an answer to a question in a word grid, to enter for a chance to win ?19,500, plus a further ?4,000 for another answer. > The competition is incredibly easy, but in the small print, there is the info that the phone calls could cost up to ?10.80 for the two entries. > The promoters must be getting a huge kick-back from the phone companies (guess they have to raise the ?prize? money somehow). But it appeals to poor souls who hope for something for nothing ? except it isn?t ?nothing?. What proof have we that someone actually wins? > Best > Pat > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus -- *There are 3 kinds of people: those who can count & those who can't. Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From relong at btinternet.com Tue Feb 26 04:37:12 2019 From: relong at btinternet.com (Roger E Long) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2019 10:37:12 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Any humans on R4 Xtra? In-Reply-To: <5c6daa35.1c69fb81.4e546.bd64@mx.google.com> References: <484bfb60-6bc2-71f6-f88b-21870137b68b@btinternet.com> <5c6daa35.1c69fb81.4e546.bd64@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Listening in Padstow this 0900h on DAB, same with R4 Dab on previous Today prog The station cuts every 10 mins for 10 secs even with 97 % signal strength The programme on 4 Xtra suddenly changed in mid flight from an archive on Brexit to the Now Show ,with no explanation at the end Are any humans involved at all ? From pat.heigham at amps.net Tue Feb 26 05:32:41 2019 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2019 11:32:41 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Any humans on R4 Xtra? In-Reply-To: References: <484bfb60-6bc2-71f6-f88b-21870137b68b@btinternet.com> <5c6daa35.1c69fb81.4e546.bd64@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <5c7523da.1c69fb81.62170.4ad9@mx.google.com> I?ve not experienced breakup every ten mins ? I think my TX is Wrotham, as for FM, but could it be CP as Digital radio is available from both? According to BBC transmitter info. (I?m a bit North East of Guildford, Surrey). However, I notice that just prior to a programme junction there is a slight glitch, as if the playout system is preselecting ready for the incoming prog. An irritating new ?jingle? ? a bass guitar riff gets played, then it?s played again under the continuity announcement. Why the need for a jingle anyway ? it?s an American idea import that got adopted by Radio 2, is it supposed to sound ?with it?! R4 Xtra seems to operate a 6 to 8 hour repeat cycle, so one has the same programme several times a day ? boring if one has heard it twice already! (I?m reminded of a sci-fi radio play involving deep space exploration ? the crew have a music channel available, that they discover lasts for eight weeks before coming round again). I am nostalgic for the ?old? style BBC presentation as depicted in Richard Cawston?s ?This is the BBC? a copy of which was kindly supplied by Bernie and also from Simon Vaughan at the AP Television Society, for which I am grateful to both. But it?s what one grew up with, I suppose. Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Roger E Long Sent: 26 February 2019 10:37 To: patheigham Cc: dave.mdv; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk; Phil; Pete Thomas; Dave Subject: Any humans on R4 Xtra? Listening in Padstow this 0900h on DAB, same with R4 Dab on previous Today prog The station cuts every 10 mins for 10 secs even with 97 % signal strength The programme on 4 Xtra suddenly changed in mid flight from an archive on Brexit to the Now Show ,with no explanation at the end Are any humans involved at all ? --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Tue Feb 26 06:03:14 2019 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2019 12:03:14 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Len Shorey In-Reply-To: <259acbf1-cb3f-1a97-01c3-01aaa33ce9b5@btinternet.com> References: <5c66b6f7.1c69fb81.a1b49.16bc@mx.google.com> <794a3d43-faf5-3b96-ad2f-a2b3ce55cc91@howell61.f9.co.uk> <5c66c8fc.1c69fb81.dd427.032f@mx.google.com> <259acbf1-cb3f-1a97-01c3-01aaa33ce9b5@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <5c752b01.1c69fb81.c4318.4393@mx.google.com> There was a Jazz 625 that was repeated on BBC 4, with the Dave Brubeck Trio. Before Len passed away, I chatted with him about the mike selection and placements. I think I saved it to DVD, but can?t put my hand on it at present. As a Gram Op in the '60's I sometimes had a short day. Discovered that TVT had the Woody Herman band in for Jazz 625. Len Shorey mixing. I phoned the sound gallery and asked if I could come and hover. After the final rehearsal, on which Len always ran a tape, the brass section asked if they could have a listen. (I was lurking in the gallery). After a run of a couple of numbers, there was a deathly silence. I could see that Len was a bit disturbed. Then the lead trumpet said, quietly: "That's how we sound. Why can't we get that in the recording studio?" I think they were about to offer Len molto $$$$ to come and be their engineer. Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Hugh Sheppard via Tech1 Sent: 16 February 2019 09:29 Subject: Re: [Tech1] AXBT on RT cover Once again, the name of the late great Len Shorey as a hero for so many comes to the fore.? I'm quite sure that had his path taken him to Abbey Road,? he would have been a star in the industry's hall of fame. To repeat my enquiry from when he went to re-record the fanfare at the Pearly Gates, can anyone point to any archived recordings that ensure Len's genius lives on? 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The sound editing is exquisite, shooting sync 35mm docs at that time was cumbersome indeed Much of those sequences are cheated in the cutting room Like the GPO docs in the 30s from Grierson etc, with an almost Mosfilms element... This was shown on my induction course in '65,and stays with me now as of how Public Service Broadcasting should be. Played out file format radio with no humans is feeble gruel in comparison to the real thing. > uld beOn 26 Feb 2019, at 11:32, patheigham wrote: > > I?ve not experienced breakup every ten mins ? I think my TX is Wrotham, as for FM, but could it be CP as Digital radio is available from both? According to BBC transmitter info. (I?m a bit North East of Guildford, Surrey). > However, I notice that just prior to a programme junction there is a slight glitch, as if the playout system is preselecting ready for the incoming prog. > An irritating new ?jingle? ? a bass guitar riff gets played, then it?s played again under the continuity announcement. > Why the need for a jingle anyway ? it?s an American idea import that got adopted by Radio 2, is it supposed to sound ?with it?! > R4 Xtra seems to operate a 6 to 8 hour repeat cycle, so one has the same programme several times a day ? boring if one has heard it twice already! (I?m reminded of a sci-fi radio play involving deep space exploration ? the crew have a music channel available, that they discover lasts for eight weeks before coming round again). > > I am nostalgic for the ?old? style BBC presentation as depicted in Richard Cawston?s ?This is the BBC? a copy of which was kindly supplied by Bernie and also from Simon Vaughan at the AP Television Society, for which I am grateful to both. > But it?s what one grew up with, I suppose. > > Pat > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > From: Roger E Long > Sent: 26 February 2019 10:37 > To: patheigham > Cc: dave.mdv ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk ; Phil ; Pete Thomas ; Dave > Subject: Any humans on R4 Xtra? > > > Listening in Padstow this 0900h on DAB, same with R4 Dab on previous Today prog > The station cuts every 10 mins for 10 secs even with 97 % signal strength > > The programme on 4 Xtra suddenly changed in mid flight from an archive on Brexit to the Now Show ,with no explanation at the end > Are any humans involved at all ? > > > Virus-free. www.avast.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Tue Feb 26 13:43:34 2019 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2019 19:43:34 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Len Shorey In-Reply-To: <5c752b01.1c69fb81.c4318.4393@mx.google.com> References: <5c66b6f7.1c69fb81.a1b49.16bc@mx.google.com> <794a3d43-faf5-3b96-ad2f-a2b3ce55cc91@howell61.f9.co.uk> <5c66c8fc.1c69fb81.dd427.032f@mx.google.com> <259acbf1-cb3f-1a97-01c3-01aaa33ce9b5@btinternet.com> <5c752b01.1c69fb81.c4318.4393@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <554615db-7962-8326-3b79-8665a5a4ea8f@btinternet.com> I used to read the 'lead sheets' for Len and was surprised to learn that he didn't read music! His mixing was purely intuative and was rarely found wanting, he knew what it should sound like and made it thus so! Cheers, Dave From pat.heigham at amps.net Tue Feb 26 14:34:51 2019 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2019 20:34:51 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Len Shorey In-Reply-To: <554615db-7962-8326-3b79-8665a5a4ea8f@btinternet.com> References: <5c66b6f7.1c69fb81.a1b49.16bc@mx.google.com> <794a3d43-faf5-3b96-ad2f-a2b3ce55cc91@howell61.f9.co.uk> <5c66c8fc.1c69fb81.dd427.032f@mx.google.com> <259acbf1-cb3f-1a97-01c3-01aaa33ce9b5@btinternet.com> <5c752b01.1c69fb81.c4318.4393@mx.google.com> <554615db-7962-8326-3b79-8665a5a4ea8f@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <5c75a2eb.1c69fb81.25500.0b95@mx.google.com> Indeed, Len didn?t read music ? here?s my story: Riverside Music Studio - formerly the old film scoring stage. Evening session for music for an LE show - Len Shorey on the desk, me looking after the Studers and score reading. Taking the last number, Len suddenly swore: "I've missed the clarinet entry!" There was about 5 mins to the end of the session - not enough time to re-take from the top of the number (overrun meant a complete whole extra session fee). I looked at the score, thought I could edit from 5 bars before letter F, but please don't alter the strings fader setting (quivering strings under the main melody). Retake canned, band went home at 11pm. No extra session fee. Len says: " Are you going to do the edit now, or tomorrow?" I decided to make a copy and test it. Shaving microscopic bits of 1/4" I eventually made it work, and went home at midnight, ready to work on the master tape next day. I don?t think I would have been favourite with the musicians, had they known! Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: dave.mdv Sent: 26 February 2019 19:43 To: patheigham; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Len Shorey I used to read the 'lead sheets' for Len and was surprised to learn that he didn't read music! His mixing was purely intuative and was rarely found wanting, he knew what it should sound like and made it thus so! Cheers, Dave --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Tue Feb 26 14:50:45 2019 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2019 20:50:45 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] This is the BBC In-Reply-To: References: <484bfb60-6bc2-71f6-f88b-21870137b68b@btinternet.com> <5c6daa35.1c69fb81.4e546.bd64@mx.google.com> <5c7523da.1c69fb81.62170.4ad9@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <5c75a6a5.1c69fb81.9ba28.9e51@mx.google.com> Viewing it today, one is aware that a lot of the set-ups are scripted, as the staff depicted are not actors, it all seems a bit stilted, but shows the way ?things were done?! My favourite bit is the scriptwriters discussing the next plotline for the Archers. The sequences about World Service from Bush were great. The broadcast offered by World Service on Shortwave was good for me, some years back, when on a small cruise ship crossing the Indian Ocean, at Christmas, I was able to record the Queen?s speech from my Sony receiver, with a long wire aerial chucked over a lifeboat! The tour ?manager? had planned to play it directly from the ship?s radio room into the dining room, but reception at that time was zilch, so I produced my cassette! Takes a BBC man to solve the problem?.. Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Roger E Long Sent: 26 February 2019 19:36 Subject: Re: Any humans on R4 Xtra? 'This is the BBC' is my vision of a once impeccable authoritarian Broadcaster. It was made in 1959 and is nearly perfect in form and content. When I shared it with American colleagues they though it was made in 1939! The sound editing is exquisite, shooting sync 35mm docs at that time was cumbersome indeed Much of those sequences are cheated in the cutting room Like the GPO docs in the 30s from Grierson etc, with an almost Mosfilms element... This was shown on my induction course in '65,and stays with me now as of how ?Public Service Broadcasting should be. Played out file format radio with no humans is feeble gruel in comparison to the real thing. ? --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Tue Feb 26 14:52:46 2019 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2019 20:52:46 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Len Shorey In-Reply-To: <5c752b01.1c69fb81.c4318.4393@mx.google.com> References: <5c66b6f7.1c69fb81.a1b49.16bc@mx.google.com> <794a3d43-faf5-3b96-ad2f-a2b3ce55cc91@howell61.f9.co.uk> <5c66c8fc.1c69fb81.dd427.032f@mx.google.com> <259acbf1-cb3f-1a97-01c3-01aaa33ce9b5@btinternet.com> <5c752b01.1c69fb81.c4318.4393@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <16586e1c-3ccd-e7fc-f27c-c99acfb0b21e@btinternet.com> Same story with Dickie Chamberlain on TOTP, the lovely George Martin sitting in on the show, wanted to tempt Dickie away for megabucks but Dickie wouldn't play ball! Lucky us! Cheers, Dave From relong at btinternet.com Tue Feb 26 15:18:00 2019 From: relong at btinternet.com (Roger E Long) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2019 21:18:00 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] This is the BBC In-Reply-To: <5c75a6a5.1c69fb81.9ba28.9e51@mx.google.com> References: <484bfb60-6bc2-71f6-f88b-21870137b68b@btinternet.com> <5c6daa35.1c69fb81.4e546.bd64@mx.google.com> <5c7523da.1c69fb81.62170.4ad9@mx.google.com> <5c75a6a5.1c69fb81.9ba28.9e51@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <96A7F1A3-8CCB-4B83-A982-E49F9800F9AD@btinternet.com> Shortwave WS was my lifeline, that plus a bottle of Famous Grouse Black. We always knew when the journos were in town, when we saw the hotels cascaded with Sony Short wave antennae aerials! Me and the Camera guys always competed for best WS reception Eventually we had 3 different radios on 3 different frequencies for the BBC News Triversity I called it. Once 19,000 feet up in the Andes, in an empty Police Barracks in Bolivia we wired 20 bed divan springs in series for best reception.. I heard Sim Harris recount his Iran Hostage escape on the first News Thats when I believed the BBC.??. > On 26 Feb 2019, at 20:50, patheigham wrote: > > Viewing it today, one is aware that a lot of the set-ups are scripted, as the staff depicted are not actors, it all seems a bit stilted, but shows the way ?things were done?! > My favourite bit is the scriptwriters discussing the next plotline for the Archers. > The sequences about World Service from Bush were great. > The broadcast offered by World Service on Shortwave was good for me, some years back, when on a small cruise ship crossing the Indian Ocean, at Christmas, I was able to record the Queen?s speech from my Sony receiver, with a long wire aerial chucked over a lifeboat! The tour ?manager? had planned to play it directly from the ship?s radio room into the dining room, but reception at that time was zilch, so I produced my cassette! Takes a BBC man to solve the problem?.. > Pat > > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > From: Roger E Long > Sent: 26 February 2019 19:36 > Subject: Re: Any humans on R4 Xtra? > > 'This is the BBC' is my vision of a once impeccable authoritarian Broadcaster. > It was made in 1959 and is nearly perfect in form and content. > When I shared it with American colleagues they though it was made in 1939! > The sound editing is exquisite, shooting sync 35mm docs at that time was cumbersome indeed > Much of those sequences are cheated in the cutting room > Like the GPO docs in the 30s from Grierson etc, with an almost Mosfilms element... > This was shown on my induction course in '65,and stays with me now as of how Public Service Broadcasting should be. > > Played out file format radio with no humans is feeble gruel in comparison to the real thing. > > > > > Virus-free. www.avast.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alawrance1 at me.com Tue Feb 26 15:53:44 2019 From: alawrance1 at me.com (Alasdair Lawrance) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2019 21:53:44 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] This is the BBC In-Reply-To: <96A7F1A3-8CCB-4B83-A982-E49F9800F9AD@btinternet.com> References: <484bfb60-6bc2-71f6-f88b-21870137b68b@btinternet.com> <5c6daa35.1c69fb81.4e546.bd64@mx.google.com> <5c7523da.1c69fb81.62170.4ad9@mx.google.com> <5c75a6a5.1c69fb81.9ba28.9e51@mx.google.com> <96A7F1A3-8CCB-4B83-A982-E49F9800F9AD@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <5199EE2F-91B4-4C59-9E86-7C4F6F87A83B@me.com> Anyone who saw the USAF fly past over Sheffield last Friday must've wept at the shambles transmitted. There used to be an old-fashioned idea that whatever happened, ffs keep a usable shot, usually wide, on offer to the gallery/vision mixer. A shambles in keeping with the current political situation.....! Alasdair Lawrance Sent from my iPad2 > On 26 Feb 2019, at 21:18, Roger E Long via Tech1 wrote: > > Shortwave WS was my lifeline, that plus a bottle of Famous Grouse Black. > We always knew when the journos were in town, when we saw the hotels cascaded with Sony Short wave antennae aerials! > Me and the Camera guys always competed for best WS reception > Eventually we had 3 different radios on 3 different frequencies for the BBC News > Triversity I called it. > Once 19,000 feet up in the Andes, in an empty Police Barracks in Bolivia we wired 20 bed divan springs in series for best reception.. > I heard Sim Harris recount his Iran Hostage escape on the first News > Thats when I believed the BBC.??. > >> On 26 Feb 2019, at 20:50, patheigham wrote: >> >> Viewing it today, one is aware that a lot of the set-ups are scripted, as the staff depicted are not actors, it all seems a bit stilted, but shows the way ?things were done?! >> My favourite bit is the scriptwriters discussing the next plotline for the Archers. >> The sequences about World Service from Bush were great. >> The broadcast offered by World Service on Shortwave was good for me, some years back, when on a small cruise ship crossing the Indian Ocean, at Christmas, I was able to record the Queen?s speech from my Sony receiver, with a long wire aerial chucked over a lifeboat! The tour ?manager? had planned to play it directly from the ship?s radio room into the dining room, but reception at that time was zilch, so I produced my cassette! Takes a BBC man to solve the problem?.. >> Pat >> >> >> Sent from Mail for Windows 10 >> >> From: Roger E Long >> Sent: 26 February 2019 19:36 >> Subject: Re: Any humans on R4 Xtra? >> >> 'This is the BBC' is my vision of a once impeccable authoritarian Broadcaster. >> It was made in 1959 and is nearly perfect in form and content. >> When I shared it with American colleagues they though it was made in 1939! >> The sound editing is exquisite, shooting sync 35mm docs at that time was cumbersome indeed >> Much of those sequences are cheated in the cutting room >> Like the GPO docs in the 30s from Grierson etc, with an almost Mosfilms element... >> This was shown on my induction course in '65,and stays with me now as of how Public Service Broadcasting should be. >> >> Played out file format radio with no humans is feeble gruel in comparison to the real thing. >> >> >> >> >> Virus-free. www.avast.com > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From j at howell61.f9.co.uk Tue Feb 26 16:15:17 2019 From: j at howell61.f9.co.uk (John Howell) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2019 22:15:17 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] This is the BBC In-Reply-To: <5c75a6a5.1c69fb81.9ba28.9e51@mx.google.com> References: <484bfb60-6bc2-71f6-f88b-21870137b68b@btinternet.com> <5c6daa35.1c69fb81.4e546.bd64@mx.google.com> <5c7523da.1c69fb81.62170.4ad9@mx.google.com> <5c75a6a5.1c69fb81.9ba28.9e51@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <772bd98c-60ab-4b72-2b3a-bc75205766fd@howell61.f9.co.uk> My favourite bit is when the door of a large office opens & and a man in a? brown coat (yes, I know!) pokes his head in & asks "Are you troubled with mice in here?" Hibou. On 26/02/2019 20:50, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > > Viewing it today, one is aware that a lot of the set-ups are scripted, > as the staff depicted are not actors, it all seems a bit stilted, but > shows the way ?things were done?! > > My favourite bit is the scriptwriters discussing the next plotline for > the Archers. > > The sequences about horld Service from Bush were great. > > The broadcast offered by World Service on Shortwave was good for me, > some years back, when on a small cruise ship crossing the Indian > Ocean, at Christmas, I was able to record the Queen?s speech from my > Sony receiver, with a long wire aerial chucked over a lifeboat! The > tour ?manager? had planned to play it directly from the ship?s radio > room into the dining room, but reception at that time was zilch, so I > produced my cassette! Takes a BBC man to solve the problem?.. > > Pat > > Sent from Mail for > Windows 10 > > *From: *Roger E Long > *Sent: *26 February 2019 19:36 > *Subject: *Re: Any humans on R4 Xtra? > > 'This is the BBC' is my vision of a once impeccable authoritarian > Broadcaster. > > It was made in 1959 and is nearly perfect in form and content. > > When I shared it with American colleagues they though it was made in 1939! > > The sound editing is exquisite, shooting sync 35mm docs at that time > was cumbersome indeed > > Much of those sequences are cheated in the cutting room > > Like the GPO docs in the 30s from Grierson etc, with an almost > Mosfilms element... > > This was shown on my induction course in '65,and stays with me now as > of how ?Public Service Broadcasting should be. > > Played out file format radio with no humans is feeble gruel in > comparison to the real thing. > > > > > > Virus-free. www.avast.com > > > > <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mibridge at mac.com Tue Feb 26 16:16:30 2019 From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles) Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2019 22:16:30 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Any humans on R4 Xtra? In-Reply-To: References: <484bfb60-6bc2-71f6-f88b-21870137b68b@btinternet.com> <5c6daa35.1c69fb81.4e546.bd64@mx.google.com> <5c7523da.1c69fb81.62170.4ad9@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <5792DE93-C2FF-417C-8667-8B16342D309E@mac.com> There seems to have been a change recently in that the originator of Tech Ops messages is not always identified in the ?From? address, it often just says Tech Ops, so unless you intend to be anonymous, there seems now to be a need to sign off with a recognisable name. Mke G > On 26 Feb 2019, at 19:36, Roger E Long via Tech1 wrote: > > 'This is the BBC' is my vision of a once impeccable authoritarian Broadcaster. > It was made in 1959 and is nearly perfect in form and content. > When I shared it with American colleagues they though it was made in 1939! > The sound editing is exquisite, shooting sync 35mm docs at that time was cumbersome indeed > Much of those sequences are cheated in the cutting room > Like the GPO docs in the 30s from Grierson etc, with an almost Mosfilms element... > This was shown on my induction course in '65,and stays with me now as of how Public Service Broadcasting should be. > > Played out file format radio with no humans is feeble gruel in comparison to the real thing. > >> uld beOn 26 Feb 2019, at 11:32, patheigham > wrote: >> >> I?ve not experienced breakup every ten mins ? I think my TX is Wrotham, as for FM, but could it be CP as Digital radio is available from both? According to BBC transmitter info. (I?m a bit North East of Guildford, Surrey). >> However, I notice that just prior to a programme junction there is a slight glitch, as if the playout system is preselecting ready for the incoming prog. >> An irritating new ?jingle? ? a bass guitar riff gets played, then it?s played again under the continuity announcement. >> Why the need for a jingle anyway ? it?s an American idea import that got adopted by Radio 2, is it supposed to sound ?with it?! >> R4 Xtra seems to operate a 6 to 8 hour repeat cycle, so one has the same programme several times a day ? boring if one has heard it twice already! (I?m reminded of a sci-fi radio play involving deep space exploration ? the crew have a music channel available, that they discover lasts for eight weeks before coming round again). >> >> I am nostalgic for the ?old? style BBC presentation as depicted in Richard Cawston?s ?This is the BBC? a copy of which was kindly supplied by Bernie and also from Simon Vaughan at the AP Television Society, for which I am grateful to both. >> But it?s what one grew up with, I suppose. >> >> Pat >> >> Sent from Mail for Windows 10 >> >> From: Roger E Long >> Sent: 26 February 2019 10:37 >> To: patheigham >> Cc: dave.mdv ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk ; Phil ; Pete Thomas ; Dave >> Subject: Any humans on R4 Xtra? >> >> >> Listening in Padstow this 0900h on DAB, same with R4 Dab on previous Today prog >> The station cuts every 10 mins for 10 secs even with 97 % signal strength >> >> The programme on 4 Xtra suddenly changed in mid flight from an archive on Brexit to the Now Show ,with no explanation at the end >> Are any humans involved at all ? >> >> >> Virus-free. www.avast.com > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <5792DE93-C2FF-417C-8667-8B16342D309E@mac.com> References: <484bfb60-6bc2-71f6-f88b-21870137b68b@btinternet.com> <5c6daa35.1c69fb81.4e546.bd64@mx.google.com> <5c7523da.1c69fb81.62170.4ad9@mx.google.com> <5792DE93-C2FF-417C-8667-8B16342D309E@mac.com> Message-ID: <939ff9f2-3618-cdb4-8639-e607c53b2038@gmail.com> Always OK for me Bernie ?for On 26/02/2019 22:16, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: > There seems to have been a change recently in that the originator of > Tech Ops messages is not always identified in the ?From? address, it > often just says Tech Ops, so unless you intend to be anonymous, there > seems now to be a need to sign off with a recognisable name. > > Mke G > > > >> On 26 Feb 2019, at 19:36, Roger E Long via Tech1 >> > wrote: >> >> 'This is the BBC' is my vision of a once impeccable authoritarian >> Broadcaster. >> It was made in 1959 and is nearly perfect in form and content. >> When I shared it with American colleagues they though it was made in >> 1939! >> The sound editing is exquisite, shooting sync 35mm docs at that time >> was cumbersome indeed >> Much of those sequences are cheated in the cutting room >> Like the GPO docs in the 30s from Grierson etc, with an almost >> Mosfilms element... >> This was shown on my induction course in '65,and stays with me now as >> of how ?Public Service Broadcasting should be. >> >> Played out file format radio with no humans is feeble gruel in >> comparison to the real thing. >> >>> uld beOn 26 Feb 2019, at 11:32, patheigham >> > wrote: >>> >>> I?ve not experienced breakup every ten mins ? I think my TX is >>> Wrotham, as for FM, but could it be CP as Digital radio is available >>> from both? According to BBC transmitter info. (I?m a bit North East >>> of Guildford, Surrey). >>> However, I notice that just prior to a programme junction there is a >>> slight glitch, as if the playout system is preselecting ready for >>> the incoming prog. >>> An irritating new ?jingle? ? a bass guitar riff gets played, then >>> it?s played again under the continuity announcement. >>> Why the need for a jingle anyway ? it?s an American idea import that >>> got adopted by Radio 2, is it supposed to sound ?with it?! >>> R4 Xtra seems to operate a 6 to 8 hour repeat cycle, so one has the >>> same programme several times a day ? boring if one has heard it >>> twice already! (I?m reminded of a sci-fi radio play involving deep >>> space exploration ? the crew have a music channel available, that >>> they discover lasts for eight weeks before coming round again). >>> I am nostalgic for the ?old? style BBC presentation as depicted in >>> Richard Cawston?s ?This is the BBC? a copy of which was kindly >>> supplied by Bernie and also from Simon Vaughan at the AP Television >>> Society, for which I am grateful to both. >>> But it?s what one grew up with, I suppose. >>> Pat >>> Sent fromMail for >>> Windows 10 >>> *From:*Roger E Long >>> *Sent:*26 February 2019 10:37 >>> *To:*patheigham >>> *Cc:*dave.mdv ;tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> ;Phil >>> ;Pete Thomas >>> ;Dave >>> >>> *Subject:*Any humans on R4 Xtra? >>> Listening in Padstow this 0900h on DAB,? same with R4 Dab on >>> previous Today prog >>> The station cuts every 10 mins for 10 secs even with 97 % signal >>> strength >>> The programme on 4 Xtra suddenly changed in mid flight from an >>> archive on Brexit to the Now Show ,with no explanation at the end >>> Are any humans involved at all ? >>> >>> >>> Virus-free.www.avast.com >>> >>> >>> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Sent from my iPad On 27 Feb 2019, at 16:41, John Hays via Tech1 > wrote: Hello everyone.The recent reminisces about LEN reminded me of two more tales.He was mixing, unusually, a sitcom and I had the perfect job for my trainee.Len was a bit sniffy about it, but eventually agreed after I pointed out that SA1s have a duty to train youngsters.All went well on rehearsal, but disaster on recording, causing a retake.Len was absolutely furious with me, but after half an hour all was forgotten.He was also a proficient wood worker and attended classes in East London making chairs I believe.It so happened that my wife , Anna also makes chairs, and when they met on social occasions long discussions took place on the difficult process of assembling them. Best wishes to all, John Hays. -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net Wed Feb 27 12:07:32 2019 From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2019 18:07:32 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] Len Shorey In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <11ED37593E4441C59E5BD2BFC10E379E@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> Re Nick?s anecdote - I think there is little doubt that Len was pretty street-wise. I remember him telling us how in London in the immediate post war years it was not exactly unusual for blitz victims to be discovered in the rubble of the many ruined buildings and that the hardened criminals found it particularly easy to dispose of ?nuisance? people without anybody bothering to look into it very much. Dave Newbitt. From: Nick Ware via Tech1 Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2019 5:54 PM To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Len Shorey I don?t know whether it was common knowledge, or even something Len would have been particularly proud of, but he did once tell me how he and his best mate Lennie Peters (Peters and Lee) had been involved in the gang fight in which Lennie lost the sight in his right eye. Pretty unlucky for Lennie as he had already lost the other eye in a previous incident. Once you know that, quite a lot of Len?s personality fits neatly into place. Len might not have read a music score, he probably didn?t need to, but he was certainly a musician in his own way. Didn?t he play the trombone? Nick. Sent from my iPad On 27 Feb 2019, at 16:41, John Hays via Tech1 wrote: Hello everyone.The recent reminisces about LEN reminded me of two more tales.He was mixing, unusually, a sitcom and I had the perfect job for my trainee.Len was a bit sniffy about it, but eventually agreed after I pointed out that SA1s have a duty to train youngsters.All went well on rehearsal, but disaster on recording, causing a retake.Len was absolutely furious with me, but after half an hour all was forgotten.He was also a proficient wood worker and attended classes in East London making chairs I believe.It so happened that my wife , Anna also makes chairs, and when they met on social occasions long discussions took place on the difficult process of assembling them. 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His wife Rose would make us a cup of tea while we chatted and Len showed me some of the pieces of furniture he?d made. I?ve made a few myself and though I?m proud of how they turned out, they pale into insignificance compared with the fine pieces of his: chairs and cabinets elegantly designed, made and finished by his own hand. He was quite modest about it as people who work to a high standard often are but they were nothing short of amazing and I told him so. He said he?d learnt to do it at classes after he retired, which is an achievement in itself as he could have just sat back on the laurels of his BBC career, well documented in the anecdotes on here, but that wasn?t his way. He was a great story teller too, to much amusement and you only had to mention the name of a person or show he?d worked on to set him off. I went to see him when he was nearing the end and it was sad to see him in a state of decline, but he bore it bravely and with peaceful acceptance. We were lucky to have been surrounded by so many characters of all walks of life during our time, from those in high office to those who greeted us on the gate and it?s good to remember them all, Geoff Hawkes > On 27 Feb 2019, at 16:40, John Hays via Tech1 wrote: > > Hello everyone.The recent reminisces about LEN reminded me of two more tales.He was mixing, unusually, a sitcom and I had the perfect job for my trainee.Len was a bit sniffy about it, but eventually agreed after I pointed out that SA1s have a duty to train youngsters.All went well on rehearsal, but disaster on recording, causing a retake.Len was absolutely furious with me, but after half an hour all was forgotten.He was also a proficient wood worker and attended classes in East London making chairs I believe.It so happened that my wife , Anna also makes chairs, and when they met on social occasions long discussions took place on the difficult process of assembling them. > Best wishes to all, John Hays. > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From pat.heigham at amps.net Thu Feb 28 07:08:17 2019 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2019 13:08:17 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Len Shorey In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5c77dd40.1c69fb81.2f6b0.9db5@mx.google.com> I concur that Len would bawl you out if you had goofed magnificently. Always justified, but forgotten once he had made his point. I envied his height ? having an after show noggin in the TVC bar, I stood on the bar rail, with my back to the counter ? this brought me up to Len?s eye height and I commented on how much better the world looked from there! (Also to catch the bar staff?s eye more easily). Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: John Hays via Tech1 Sent: 27 February 2019 16:40 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: [Tech1] Len Shorey Hello everyone.The recent reminisces about LEN reminded me of two more tales.He was mixing, unusually, a sitcom and I had the perfect job for my trainee.Len was a bit sniffy about it, but eventually agreed after I pointed out that SA1s have a duty to train youngsters.All went well on rehearsal, but disaster on recording, causing a retake.Len was absolutely furious with me, but after half an hour all was forgotten.He was also a proficient wood worker and attended classes in East London making chairs I believe.It so happened that my wife , Anna also makes chairs, and when they met on social occasions long discussions took place on the difficult process of assembling them. Best wishes to all, John Hays. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net Thu Feb 28 07:54:47 2019 From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2019 13:54:47 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] Len Shorey In-Reply-To: <5c77dd40.1c69fb81.2f6b0.9db5@mx.google.com> References: <5c77dd40.1c69fb81.2f6b0.9db5@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <7CAAC473382D46E4BBE465CB18F31B5B@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> I may have remembered slightly inaccurately but I think Len was 6ft 4ins. I remember him encountering Ian Tomlin when the latter was newly arrived. ?How tall are you then?? enquired Len. ?6ft 41/4ins came the reply?. Instant response from Len ? ? I think anything over 6ft 4ins is freak?. Beat that! Dave Newbitt. From: patheigham via Tech1 Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2019 1:08 PM To: John Hays ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Len Shorey I concur that Len would bawl you out if you had goofed magnificently. Always justified, but forgotten once he had made his point. I envied his height ? having an after show noggin in the TVC bar, I stood on the bar rail, with my back to the counter ? this brought me up to Len?s eye height and I commented on how much better the world looked from there! (Also to catch the bar staff?s eye more easily). Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: John Hays via Tech1 Sent: 27 February 2019 16:40 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: [Tech1] Len Shorey Hello everyone.The recent reminisces about LEN reminded me of two more tales.He was mixing, unusually, a sitcom and I had the perfect job for my trainee.Len was a bit sniffy about it, but eventually agreed after I pointed out that SA1s have a duty to train youngsters.All went well on rehearsal, but disaster on recording, causing a retake.Len was absolutely furious with me, but after half an hour all was forgotten.He was also a proficient wood worker and attended classes in East London making chairs I believe.It so happened that my wife , Anna also makes chairs, and when they met on social occasions long discussions took place on the difficult process of assembling them. Best wishes to all, John Hays. 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Len apparently lowered the window between Sound and Production and threw the many pages of the running order/script through and said loudly, ?Well, we won?t be needing this any more, will we!? Alasdair Lawrance alawrance1 at me.com On 28 Feb 2019, at 13:54, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: I may have remembered slightly inaccurately but I think Len was 6ft 4ins. I remember him encountering Ian Tomlin when the latter was newly arrived. ?How tall are you then?? enquired Len. ?6ft 41/4ins came the reply?. Instant response from Len ? ? I think anything over 6ft 4ins is freak?. Beat that! Dave Newbitt. From: patheigham via Tech1 <> Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2019 1:08 PM To: John Hays <> ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Len Shorey I concur that Len would bawl you out if you had goofed magnificently. Always justified, but forgotten once he had made his point. I envied his height ? having an after show noggin in the TVC bar, I stood on the bar rail, with my back to the counter ? this brought me up to Len?s eye height and I commented on how much better the world looked from there! (Also to catch the bar staff?s eye more easily). Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: John Hays via Tech1 <> Sent: 27 February 2019 16:40 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <> Subject: [Tech1] Len Shorey Hello everyone.The recent reminisces about LEN reminded me of two more tales.He was mixing, unusually, a sitcom and I had the perfect job for my trainee.Len was a bit sniffy about it, but eventually agreed after I pointed out that SA1s have a duty to train youngsters.All went well on rehearsal, but disaster on recording, causing a retake.Len was absolutely furious with me, but after half an hour all was forgotten.He was also a proficient wood worker and attended classes in East London making chairs I believe.It so happened that my wife , Anna also makes chairs, and when they met on social occasions long discussions took place on the difficult process of assembling them. Best wishes to all, John Hays. 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Suddenly he erupted because ITV had pipped us to some revelation or other. ?Get me Manchester on the line? he screamed. Response from the TOM (I think it was Tommy Holmes) ? why don?t I just open the window?? Memories to still bring a smile half a century later! Dave Newbitt. From: Alasdair Lawrance Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2019 2:13 PM To: David Newbitt Cc: patheigham ; John Hays ; Tech Ops List Subject: Re: [Tech1] Len Shorey I?m fairly certain Hibou told me this, but for some reason Len was doing a Grandstand, and, as was not unusual, the opening trails of ?Horse racing from Doncaster?, ?Chelsea vs Liverpool?, ?Badminton horse trials? (or whatever) slowly disintegrated into dislocated nonsense. Len apparently lowered the window between Sound and Production and threw the many pages of the running order/script through and said loudly, ?Well, we won?t be needing this any more, will we!? Alasdair Lawrance alawrance1 at me.com On 28 Feb 2019, at 13:54, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: I may have remembered slightly inaccurately but I think Len was 6ft 4ins. I remember him encountering Ian Tomlin when the latter was newly arrived. ?How tall are you then?? enquired Len. ?6ft 41/4ins came the reply?. Instant response from Len ? ? I think anything over 6ft 4ins is freak?. Beat that! Dave Newbitt. From: patheigham via Tech1 Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2019 1:08 PM To: John Hays ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Len Shorey I concur that Len would bawl you out if you had goofed magnificently. Always justified, but forgotten once he had made his point. I envied his height ? having an after show noggin in the TVC bar, I stood on the bar rail, with my back to the counter ? this brought me up to Len?s eye height and I commented on how much better the world looked from there! (Also to catch the bar staff?s eye more easily). Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: John Hays via Tech1 Sent: 27 February 2019 16:40 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: [Tech1] Len Shorey Hello everyone.The recent reminisces about LEN reminded me of two more tales.He was mixing, unusually, a sitcom and I had the perfect job for my trainee.Len was a bit sniffy about it, but eventually agreed after I pointed out that SA1s have a duty to train youngsters.All went well on rehearsal, but disaster on recording, causing a retake.Len was absolutely furious with me, but after half an hour all was forgotten.He was also a proficient wood worker and attended classes in East London making chairs I believe.It so happened that my wife , Anna also makes chairs, and when they met on social occasions long discussions took place on the difficult process of assembling them. Best wishes to all, John Hays. 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Grandstand & Memories of David Coleman I was reminded that there were two incidents that did not make it to the transmission: I was on the Sound Crew in Studio G Lime Grove on both occasions. 1. David's perfect professionalism - an event suddenly occurred in a Cricket OB - rapid cue to David to link to the OB, and as he was in the middle of the announcement "so now over to......" Shout down the talkback "We don't know who the commentator is!" without breaking stride, he finished "....to our man on the spot" Brilliant! 2. Brian Cowgill, the then director of Grandstand, had a habit of throwing his pencils at the monitor bank - this because there was an off-air TV alongside, showing ITV's coverage - if they got to transmit a result before BBC, he went apeshit! On one afternoon, even before the playout music had finished, David arrived in the gallery, his earpiece lead still dangling, and confronted Cowgill. "I am sick and tired of hearing a stream of 'Jesus Christ's' and 'effing hell' coming on talkback - if you can't say anything sensible, then I'm not wearing this!" And he wrenched the earpiece out and threw it at Cowgill. We stood around, silently applauding. 3. One afternoon, weather prevented any sports being covered by OB units, so Pres decided to run a film instead. We all sat around in the studio, on those green canvas/tube chairs and watched ?Berlin Express? which still gets churned out from time to time! Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: David Newbitt Sent: 28 February 2019 14:53 To: Alasdair Lawrance Cc: patheigham; John Hays; Tech Ops List Subject: Re: [Tech1] Len Shorey Funny how one memory sparks another ? Grandstand chaos this time. In the days of the programme coming from Studio E Lime Grove, there was Brian Cowgill in his usual corner ever watchful of the ITV feed provided so he could assess how well we were doing against them. Suddenly he erupted because ITV had pipped us to some revelation or other. ?Get me Manchester on the line? he screamed. Response from the TOM (I think it was Tommy Holmes) ? why don?t I just open the window?? ? Memories to still bring a smile half a century later! ? Dave Newbitt. ? --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com Thu Feb 28 09:50:32 2019 From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2019 15:50:32 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Grandstand In-Reply-To: <5c77fd59.1c69fb81.eafec.0326@mx.google.com> References: <5c77dd40.1c69fb81.2f6b0.9db5@mx.google.com> <7CAAC473382D46E4BBE465CB18F31B5B@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> <4F4BD409-72A9-4F87-95C5-8DB1E91DF542@me.com> <5c77fd59.1c69fb81.eafec.0326@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <122bb27f-41b6-6289-7244-2d01c197d8a2@gmail.com> And, of course, there was the all-to-brief "Open House" on BBC-2 (comp?red by Gay Byrne) soon after BBC-2 started, targetted especially to those viewers who did not want to watch "Grandstand". It was a Riverside production in all ways, since R1 and R2 were put together for the afternoon: which one segment was showing in one studio, we would be rehearsing the next in the other. A couple of highlights I remember (apart from Blaster Bates!).? A bright young singer, Millie, singing "My Boy Lollipop" in R1.? So that puts it firmly in 1964. Also in R1 we had a singer fixed to the front of the Mole.? I can't remember all the details, but it was something like this. A beam about - oh I suppose 15 inches wide (of course, pre-metrification) had hooks and clamps which could be fastened to the front of the Mole platform.? I had never seen the likes of this, but apparently it was a sort of stock item which could be booked out (but \I never saw it again).? This was clamped to the front of the Mole.? At the far end of the beam was a seat - somewhat akin to a London Bus Drivers seat, with the seat bit on the beam.? Whoever had to sit in this seat had basically to straddle the seam with his or her legs. Obviously there had to be additional weights in the Mole bucket, but how, or where from, these appeared, I did not know.? For the song, the singer sat in the seat, and the camera on the Mole? had a (query) loose MCU shot, so that there was a fair bit of background.? The the Mole went for an amble around the Studio (R1): the singer was always in shot and in focus, but the background sort of swirled around him.? Yes, it was a "him" - I think that he was wearing top hat and tails ('twas a long time ago) but certainly his dress was more formal than casual. There was no room in R1 and R2 for an orchestra (and I don't think that there would have been time for a sound check! - as I recall it was all go!).? MIllie certainly miming to her record - but the male singer could have been miming to a Beeb prerecord. -- Best Regards Alec Alec Bray alec.bray.2 at gmail.com mob: 07789 561 346 home: 0118 981 7502 From j at howell61.f9.co.uk Thu Feb 28 10:00:17 2019 From: j at howell61.f9.co.uk (John Howell) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2019 16:00:17 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Len Shorey In-Reply-To: <4F4BD409-72A9-4F87-95C5-8DB1E91DF542@me.com> References: <5c77dd40.1c69fb81.2f6b0.9db5@mx.google.com> <7CAAC473382D46E4BBE465CB18F31B5B@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> <4F4BD409-72A9-4F87-95C5-8DB1E91DF542@me.com> Message-ID: <753bf883-9e89-7be4-42e8-e42d1811aa61@howell61.f9.co.uk> For the record Alasdair I've not heard that anecdote before so it wasn't me! Hibou. On 28/02/2019 14:13, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 wrote: > I?m fairly certain Hibou told me this, but for some reason Len was > doing a Grandstand, and, as was not unusual, the opening trails of > ?Horse racing from Doncaster?, ?Chelsea vs Liverpool?, ?Badminton > horse trials? (or whatever) slowly disintegrated into dislocated > nonsense. > > Len apparently lowered the window between Sound and Production and > threw the many pages of the running order/script through and said loudly, > > ?Well, we won?t be needing this any more, will we!? > > > Alasdair Lawrance > alawrance1 at me.com > > > > > > > On 28 Feb 2019, at 13:54, David Newbitt via Tech1 > > wrote: > > I may have remembered slightly inaccurately but I think Len was 6ft > 4ins. I remember him encountering Ian Tomlin when the latter was newly > arrived. ?How tall are you then?? enquired Len. ?6ft 41/4ins came the > reply?. > Instant response from Len ? ? I think anything over 6ft 4ins is freak?. > Beat that! > Dave Newbitt. > *From:*patheigham via Tech1 > *Sent:*Thursday, February 28, 2019 1:08 PM > *To:*John Hays;tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > *Subject:*Re: [Tech1] Len Shorey > I concur that Len would bawl you out if you had goofed magnificently. > Always justified, but forgotten once he had made his point. > I envied his height ? having an after show noggin in the TVC bar, I > stood on the bar rail, with my back to the counter ? this brought me > up to Len?s eye height and I commented on how much better the world > looked from there! (Also to catch the bar staff?s eye more easily). > Pat > Sent fromMail for > Windows 10 > *From:*John Hays via Tech1 > *Sent:*27 February 2019 16:40 > *To:*tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > *Subject:*[Tech1] Len Shorey > Hello everyone.The recent reminisces about LEN reminded me of two more > tales.He was mixing, unusually, a sitcom and I had the perfect job for > my trainee.Len was a bit sniffy about it, but eventually agreed after > I pointed out that SA1s have a duty to train youngsters.All went well > on rehearsal, but disaster on recording, causing a retake.Len was > absolutely furious with me, but after half an hour all was > forgotten.He was also a proficient wood worker and attended classes in > East London making chairs I believe.It so happened that my wife , Anna > also makes chairs, and when they met on social occasions long > discussions took place on the difficult process of assembling them. > Best wishes to all, John Hays. > > > Virus-free.www.avast.com > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hughsheppard at btinternet.com Thu Feb 28 10:33:29 2019 From: hughsheppard at btinternet.com (Hugh Sheppard) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2019 16:33:29 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Ginger Cowgill - again... In-Reply-To: References: <5c77dd40.1c69fb81.2f6b0.9db5@mx.google.com> <7CAAC473382D46E4BBE465CB18F31B5B@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> <4F4BD409-72A9-4F87-95C5-8DB1E91DF542@me.com> Message-ID: <6c3db219-8ec8-838c-8585-99a381c5a21b@btinternet.com> I recall Dave White telling me that he'd once been drafted in to vision-mix Grandstand when a regular V-M was missing, and being shouted at to 'Go to Hurst Park!' or wherever. Dave had hardly scanned the dozen sources on the monitor bank when another shout in his ear persuaded him to go to the only picture with a horse in it which shut Ginger up; until the shot widened to include a mounted policeman and a football crowd. Quicker than Ginge, Dave realised his mistake and chopped to the right source, with not a peep from Ginge who hadn't yet noticed... Hugh On 28-Feb-19 2:52 PM, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: > Funny how one memory sparks another ? Grandstand chaos this time. In > the days of the programme coming from Studio E Lime Grove, there was > Brian Cowgill in his usual corner ever watchful of the ITV feed > provided so he could assess how well we were doing against them. > Suddenly he erupted because ITV had pipped us to some revelation or > other. ?Get me Manchester on the line? he screamed. Response from the > TOM (I think it was Tommy Holmes) ? why don?t I just open the window?? > Memories to still bring a smile half a century later! > Dave Newbitt. > *From:* Alasdair Lawrance > *Sent:* Thursday, February 28, 2019 2:13 PM > *To:* David Newbitt > *Cc:* patheigham ; John Hays ; Tech Ops List > *Subject:* Re: [Tech1] Len Shorey > I?m fairly certain Hibou told me this, but for some reason Len was > doing a Grandstand, and, as was not unusual, the opening trails of > ?Horse racing from Doncaster?, ?Chelsea vs Liverpool?, ?Badminton > horse trials? (or whatever) slowly disintegrated into dislocated > nonsense. > Len apparently lowered the window between Sound and Production and > threw the many pages of the running order/script through and said loudly, > ?Well, we won?t be needing this any more, will we!? > Alasdair Lawrance > alawrance1 at me.com > > > > > > On 28 Feb 2019, at 13:54, David Newbitt via Tech1 > wrote: > I may have remembered slightly inaccurately but I think Len was 6ft > 4ins. I remember him encountering Ian Tomlin when the latter was newly > arrived. ?How tall are you then?? enquired Len. ?6ft 41/4ins came the > reply?. > Instant response from Len ? ? I think anything over 6ft 4ins is freak?. > Beat that! > Dave Newbitt. > *From:*patheigham via Tech1 > *Sent:*Thursday, February 28, 2019 1:08 PM > *To:*John Hays;tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > *Subject:*Re: [Tech1] Len Shorey > I concur that Len would bawl you out if you had goofed magnificently. > Always justified, but forgotten once he had made his point. > I envied his height ? having an after show noggin in the TVC bar, I > stood on the bar rail, with my back to the counter ? this brought me > up to Len?s eye height and I commented on how much better the world > looked from there! (Also to catch the bar staff?s eye more easily). > Pat > Sent fromMail for > Windows 10 > *From:*John Hays via Tech1 > *Sent:*27 February 2019 16:40 > *To:*tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > *Subject:*[Tech1] Len Shorey > Hello everyone.The recent reminisces about LEN reminded me of two more > tales.He was mixing, unusually, a sitcom and I had the perfect job for > my trainee.Len was a bit sniffy about it, but eventually agreed after > I pointed out that SA1s have a duty to train youngsters.All went well > on rehearsal, but disaster on recording, causing a retake.Len was > absolutely furious with me, but after half an hour all was > forgotten.He was also a proficient wood worker and attended classes in > East London making chairs I believe.It so happened that my wife , Anna > also makes chairs, and when they met on social occasions long > discussions took place on the difficult process of assembling them. > Best wishes to all, John Hays. > > > Virus-free.www.avast.com > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave.thompson.mail at gmail.com Thu Feb 28 10:35:46 2019 From: dave.thompson.mail at gmail.com (David Thompson) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2019 16:35:46 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] More of wonderful Len Message-ID: <05D13A5B-8632-4A79-9731-8F1E04C78092@gmail.com> I recall in November 1979 I was working with Len on a music show and we were in Lime Grove recording studio; remember the 8-track Scully! I had not been feeling a ?happy bunny? for some weeks and on this occasion I spent quite a bit of time lying on the couch in front of the sound desk and Len doing all of the work. After dinner, which I had bowed out of, Len returned with a couple of rum & blackcurrants to cheer me up. I went home that evening and didn?t return to work for 6 months. Apparently I had suffered a perforated appendix. Gangrene set in and I was probably lucky to get away with it. Len was a totally intuitive mixer. One of a very rare breed. The late and sadly missed Peter Rose was another. Most mixers, myself included, worked to a developed formula, some from memory and some from notebooks. Nothing wrong with that. Remember the amazing Dickie Chamberlain. What a triumph he was. To illustrate my point;- A day in TC 1 with the Pye wrap around Desk. Some channels with EQ and some not. In the gallery a be-suited bod from Grading. The Sound Supervisors were up for a possible salary lift. Len and I patch the desk and the band call starts. Len fades pretty well everything up, leans back in his seat, toothpick in hand, and just pokes at the quadrant faders, a little bit here, a little bit there. After in few moments he identifies a guitar. For reasons I can?t now explain we seem to have two rythmn guitars that day. With a flamboyant gesture Len closes the fader, muttering something about incompetence. Some pieces later we take break and whilst Len is away the Grading man speaks. ?What was that all about?? he asks. I explain to the man that Len has decided that that particular player is not offering anything useful to the mix. ?Do you mean he will remain faded out permanently?? ?Probably?. I reply. The ?Grader? reaches for his reporter?s notebook and write furiously for some time. Len returns. Nothing is said. The fader remained closed. The Grading claim was successful. To illustrate here?s another Lime Grove moment. Len and I were booked to record Bob Farnon & his orchestra recording the titles for ?Colditz?. Len realized that, unlike the usual mixture of session players the chances were that this band would be more self-balanced. ?Let?s use the lazy arm and put them at the live end of the studio? he declared. These were mono days, so the rig comprised one 4038 in the sweet spot. We had just started the play through when producer/deviser Gerry Glaister stuck his head through the door. ?Just going to have a bite in the restaurant. I?ll be back in a while? he whispered to me. ? I?d come in now if I were you? I declared, ?otherwise you may miss it?. Sure enough, one more play through and a couple of takes and we were finished. One mic to de-rig and then off to the bar. My final offering is the day I turned up to do ?The Tony Bennett Show?. Len was in a mood. ?Can?t stand that man? he said, you?ll have to do it. (Remember the ?Sound Training Course? you sound men.) Len sat behind and proffered advice and I, ?under guidance? of course, waggled the knobs. I even had to do the ?Post?. David Thompson -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk Thu Feb 28 10:45:48 2019 From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2019 16:45:48 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Grandstand In-Reply-To: <122bb27f-41b6-6289-7244-2d01c197d8a2@gmail.com> References: <5c77dd40.1c69fb81.2f6b0.9db5@mx.google.com> <7CAAC473382D46E4BBE465CB18F31B5B@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> <4F4BD409-72A9-4F87-95C5-8DB1E91DF542@me.com> <5c77fd59.1c69fb81.eafec.0326@mx.google.com> <122bb27f-41b6-6289-7244-2d01c197d8a2@gmail.com> Message-ID: <80b314d8-e5d9-c964-4f8b-70331f5d2d5e@chriswoolf.co.uk> On 28/02/2019 15:50, Alec Bray via Tech1 wrote: > > Also in R1 we had a singer fixed to the front of the Mole.? I can't > remember all the details, but it was something like this. A beam about > - oh I suppose 15 inches wide (of course, pre-metrification) had hooks > and clamps which could be fastened to the front of the Mole platform. ... "Flying chair". Yes, you could book it, and I remember swinging on some show where it got used. The artist had to get off in shot, which meant swinging down, two guys having to fit the safety strop on, and the artist being cued to climb off - and he was talking all the while. I ~think~ there was a cut away then to allow us to rebalance the Mole in double-quick time, and get running again. I shudder to think what Health and Safety would reckon to that nowadays. Chris Woolf --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From dave.thompson.mail at gmail.com Thu Feb 28 11:26:14 2019 From: dave.thompson.mail at gmail.com (David Thompson) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2019 17:26:14 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Tales of 'Open House' Message-ID: <4618056B-0DE9-4071-95C5-969AA5739D38@gmail.com> Just a small correction to Alex Bray?s memories of ?Open House?. There was always a live band in R1 when I did grams on the show in the early days, and quite a large one. I should remember. I had to help rig it every week. The late, ?great?, Stewart Morris had, I think, left Granadaland, and brought his encouraging words of direction to BBC 2. I recall Norman Greaves being responsible for the early shows. One of my duties was to record director talkback, as some faint hearted folk had responded unhappily to Stewarts encouraging words. Since a vocal item has been mentioned let me tell you of another ?event?. This was before the days of commercial radio mics. All vocals were done on booms, stand mics or hand mics with long cables. However, the BBC designs dept were developing an ?in house? radio mic built in an aluminiun shell a bit like a hip flask, and using a small ?toblerone? shaped battery connected via springy bronze strips. Since ?Open House? was the alternative to sport on Saturday afternoons it was likely that the audience would be small so here was an opportunity to try out this new toy. ? Marianne Faithfull was all the rage and she was booked to sing live, with the band, her latest offering, in her usual angst-ridden style. ? The set was a white cyc, with a number of tall white columns, strategically placed, between which she wondered, in a long white dress, during the song. All worked fine in rehearsal. ? Unfortunately, on Tx the radio mic failed totally, which meant that the backup cabled mic had to be employed. All went well for some time, and Marianne wondered dreamily between the pillars whilst the sound op. fed out the cable. Eventually however friction prevailed and the poor girl was stranded behind a pillar. Needless to say, Stewart was not amused. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com Thu Feb 28 11:33:51 2019 From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2019 17:33:51 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Tales of 'Open House' In-Reply-To: <4618056B-0DE9-4071-95C5-969AA5739D38@gmail.com> References: <4618056B-0DE9-4071-95C5-969AA5739D38@gmail.com> Message-ID: Thanks for the correction, David! I remember the set on the studio side near to R2 - that was the interview area (and no rostra!). And the area furthest from the gallery was a "performance area". Do I remember dancing girls in R2 on one Saturday? Best regards, Alec sent from my mobile phone. Apologies for any strange autocorrections. On Thu, 28 Feb 2019, 17:26 David Thompson via Tech1, wrote: > Just a small correction to Alex Bray?s memories of ?Open House?. > > There was always a live band in R1 when I did grams on the show in the > early days, and quite a large one. I should remember. I had to help rig it > every week. > > The late, ?great?, Stewart Morris had, I think, left Granadaland, and > brought his encouraging words of direction to BBC 2. I recall Norman > Greaves being responsible for the early shows. > > One of my duties was to record director talkback, as some faint hearted > folk had responded unhappily to Stewarts encouraging words. > > Since a vocal item has been mentioned let me tell you of another ?event?. > > This was before the days of commercial radio mics. All vocals were done on > booms, stand mics or hand mics with long cables. > > However, the BBC designs dept were developing an ?in house? radio mic > built in an aluminiun shell a bit like a hip flask, and using a small > ?toblerone? shaped battery connected via springy bronze strips. Since ?Open > House? was the alternative to sport on Saturday afternoons it was likely > that the audience would be small so here was an opportunity to try out this > new toy. > > ? Marianne Faithfull was all the rage and she was booked to sing > live, with the band, her latest offering, in her usual angst-ridden style. > > ? The set was a white cyc, with a number of tall white columns, strategically > placed, between which she wondered, in a long white dress, during the song. > All worked fine in rehearsal. > > ? Unfortunately, on Tx the radio mic failed totally, which meant > that the backup cabled mic had to be employed. All went well for some time, > and Marianne wondered dreamily between the pillars whilst the sound op. fed > out the cable. Eventually however friction prevailed and the poor girl was > stranded behind a pillar. Needless to say, Stewart was not amused. > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From davidvbrunt at gmail.com Thu Feb 28 11:40:35 2019 From: davidvbrunt at gmail.com (David Brunt) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2019 17:40:35 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] Tales of 'Open House' In-Reply-To: References: <4618056B-0DE9-4071-95C5-969AA5739D38@gmail.com> Message-ID: <666F91BE5C2D414AB279948F68D40598@AdminPC> Could the dancers be this one? The final show. Saturday 5 December 1964 16.00 Open House People - Places - Pops Introduced by Gay Byrne. assisted by Peter Haigh. Helping to provide the entertainment: Joe Brown and his Bruvvers, Dick and Deedee, Ronnie Hilton, Kathy Kirby, Shelley and The Dancers Guest instrumentalist, Eric Delaney Tony Osborne and his Orchestra Dr. Michael Winstanley * Fashion * Norman Newell meets Peter Ustinov From: Alec Bray via Tech1 Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2019 5:33 PM To: David Thompson Cc: Tech Ops Group Subject: Re: [Tech1] Tales of 'Open House' Thanks for the correction, David! I remember the set on the studio side near to R2 - that was the interview area (and no rostra!). And the area furthest from the gallery was a "performance area". Do I remember dancing girls in R2 on one Saturday? Best regards, Alec sent from my mobile phone. Apologies for any strange autocorrections. On Thu, 28 Feb 2019, 17:26 David Thompson via Tech1, wrote: Just a small correction to Alex Bray?s memories of ?Open House?. There was always a live band in R1 when I did grams on the show in the early days, and quite a large one. I should remember. I had to help rig it every week. The late, ?great?, Stewart Morris had, I think, left Granadaland, and brought his encouraging words of direction to BBC 2. I recall Norman Greaves being responsible for the early shows. One of my duties was to record director talkback, as some faint hearted folk had responded unhappily to Stewarts encouraging words. Since a vocal item has been mentioned let me tell you of another ?event?. This was before the days of commercial radio mics. All vocals were done on booms, stand mics or hand mics with long cables. However, the BBC designs dept were developing an ?in house? radio mic built in an aluminiun shell a bit like a hip flask, and using a small ?toblerone? shaped battery connected via springy bronze strips. Since ?Open House? was the alternative to sport on Saturday afternoons it was likely that the audience would be small so here was an opportunity to try out this new toy. ? Marianne Faithfull was all the rage and she was booked to sing live, with the band, her latest offering, in her usual angst-ridden style. ? The set was a white cyc, with a number of tall white columns, strategically placed, between which she wondered, in a long white dress, during the song. All worked fine in rehearsal. ? Unfortunately, on Tx the radio mic failed totally, which meant that the backup cabled mic had to be employed. All went well for some time, and Marianne wondered dreamily between the pillars whilst the sound op. fed out the cable. Eventually however friction prevailed and the poor girl was stranded behind a pillar. Needless to say, Stewart was not amused. -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From dudley.darby at gmail.com Thu Feb 28 11:50:57 2019 From: dudley.darby at gmail.com (Dudley Darby) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2019 17:50:57 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] FW: Grandstand Message-ID: <2A4EEE0BCCD7448CB5DC8F8BC4A5ADD9@CustomPC> From: Dudley Darby [mailto:Dudley.Darby at gmail.com] Sent: 28 February 2019 17:49 To: 'Alec Bray' Subject: RE: [Tech1] Grandstand "Open House" did have an orchestra, opposite the performance area in R1, if I recall correctly conducted by one Tony Hatch who later wrote the "Neighbours" theme. The Flying Chair was used on the front of the Mole occasionally, and to couterbalance it the weight bucket could be pulled backwards and the intervening space filled with extra weights as necessary. In later years the bucket was fixed in its normal position with an extra frame due to Health and Safety concerns that it could move backwards if the crane hit something going backwards at speed. It would take a hell of a lot of force to do that! So ended the Flying Chair. Dudley Dudley C. Darby Email: Dudley.Darby at gmail.com P Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail -----Original Message----- From: Tech1 [mailto:tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk] On Behalf Of Alec Bray via Tech1 Sent: 28 February 2019 15:51 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Grandstand And, of course, there was the all-to-brief "Open House" on BBC-2 (comp?red by Gay Byrne) soon after BBC-2 started, targetted especially to those viewers who did not want to watch "Grandstand". It was a Riverside production in all ways, since R1 and R2 were put together for the afternoon: which one segment was showing in one studio, we would be rehearsing the next in the other. A couple of highlights I remember (apart from Blaster Bates!).? A bright young singer, Millie, singing "My Boy Lollipop" in R1.? So that puts it firmly in 1964. Also in R1 we had a singer fixed to the front of the Mole.? I can't remember all the details, but it was something like this. A beam about - oh I suppose 15 inches wide (of course, pre-metrification) had hooks and clamps which could be fastened to the front of the Mole platform.? I had never seen the likes of this, but apparently it was a sort of stock item which could be booked out (but \I never saw it again).? This was clamped to the front of the Mole.? At the far end of the beam was a seat - somewhat akin to a London Bus Drivers seat, with the seat bit on the beam.? Whoever had to sit in this seat had basically to straddle the seam with his or her legs. Obviously there had to be additional weights in the Mole bucket, but how, or where from, these appeared, I did not know.? For the song, the singer sat in the seat, and the camera on the Mole? had a (query) loose MCU shot, so that there was a fair bit of background.? The the Mole went for an amble around the Studio (R1): the singer was always in shot and in focus, but the background sort of swirled around him.? Yes, it was a "him" - I think that he was wearing top hat and tails ('twas a long time ago) but certainly his dress was more formal than casual. There was no room in R1 and R2 for an orchestra (and I don't think that there would have been time for a sound check! - as I recall it was all go!).? MIllie certainly miming to her record - but the male singer could have been miming to a Beeb prerecord. -- Best Regards Alec Alec Bray alec.bray.2 at gmail.com mob: 07789 561 346 home: 0118 981 7502 -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net Thu Feb 28 12:32:36 2019 From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2019 18:32:36 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] Tales of 'Open House' In-Reply-To: <4618056B-0DE9-4071-95C5-969AA5739D38@gmail.com> References: <4618056B-0DE9-4071-95C5-969AA5739D38@gmail.com> Message-ID: <964B75DC1375420190C72779EE4DFD12@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> Hi Dave ? extremely diplomatic of you to mention Norman Greaves and Stewart Morris in the same sentence without further comment. As I recall (no doubt arising from those Riverside shows) Norman had, let us say, a bit of a ?blind spot? so far as his dealings with Stewart were concerned. I remember a TVT show with Stewart at the helm and Norman mixing - without fuss or anything at all demonstrative. There was an electrifyingly good number being performed on stage, Stewart absorbing and spreading the excitement as he did on such occasions. Sensing Norman?s rather dour countenance Stewart said to him in the SCR (in my earshot) ?there?s something amazing happening down there and, if you can?t feel it, I?m sorry for you?. I wish I could be certain of the number concerned but I think it was Georgia Brown singing Jacques Brel?s ?If you go away?. Certainly I was there working on that occasion and Georgia?s performance was one of those ?once in a lifetime? renditions I shall never forget. I live in hope that a copy of it might emerge from somewhere. I liked Norman enormously but he wasn?t often given the opportunity his abilities perhaps deserved. He was no fan of Sam?s, didn?t like the reporting log system and often seemed rather embittered. One of his logs read ?crew satisfactory, some more than others?. Dave Newbitt. From: David Thompson via Tech1 Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2019 5:26 PM To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: [Tech1] Tales of 'Open House' Just a small correction to Alex Bray?s memories of ?Open House?. There was always a live band in R1 when I did grams on the show in the early days, and quite a large one. I should remember. I had to help rig it every week. The late, ?great?, Stewart Morris had, I think, left Granadaland, and brought his encouraging words of direction to BBC 2. I recall Norman Greaves being responsible for the early shows. One of my duties was to record director talkback, as some faint hearted folk had responded unhappily to Stewarts encouraging words. Since a vocal item has been mentioned let me tell you of another ?event?. This was before the days of commercial radio mics. All vocals were done on booms, stand mics or hand mics with long cables. However, the BBC designs dept were developing an ?in house? radio mic built in an aluminiun shell a bit like a hip flask, and using a small ?toblerone? shaped battery connected via springy bronze strips. Since ?Open House? was the alternative to sport on Saturday afternoons it was likely that the audience would be small so here was an opportunity to try out this new toy. ? Marianne Faithfull was all the rage and she was booked to sing live, with the band, her latest offering, in her usual angst-ridden style. ? The set was a white cyc, with a number of tall white columns, strategically placed, between which she wondered, in a long white dress, during the song. All worked fine in rehearsal. ? Unfortunately, on Tx the radio mic failed totally, which meant that the backup cabled mic had to be employed. All went well for some time, and Marianne wondered dreamily between the pillars whilst the sound op. fed out the cable. Eventually however friction prevailed and the poor girl was stranded behind a pillar. Needless to say, Stewart was not amused. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Thu Feb 28 12:49:58 2019 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2019 18:49:58 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Norman Greaves In-Reply-To: <964B75DC1375420190C72779EE4DFD12@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> References: <4618056B-0DE9-4071-95C5-969AA5739D38@gmail.com> <964B75DC1375420190C72779EE4DFD12@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> Message-ID: The root of the problem was a show which there was a VT sound problem and Norman got no backing from Sam and ended up being blamed for the whole thing. He was a lovely man to work for and I was very sad when I went to his funeral as there was only a very small contingent of BBC people there. The pub had catered for many more than turned up so some people took away trays of food, no names, no pack-drill! Cheers, Dave From phider at gmx.com Thu Feb 28 13:06:52 2019 From: phider at gmx.com (phider) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2019 19:06:52 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Singer on MPRC In-Reply-To: <122bb27f-41b6-6289-7244-2d01c197d8a2@gmail.com> Message-ID: <0Lp3Lw-1hVSRo0oWC-00eqkh@mail.gmx.com> You're memory is spot on Alec. It was a bookable item from stores and, if I remember correctly, it was called a Bongo. We used it on TOTP. The camera end had a lot of inertia and you needed two arm swingers. I think it was also used in the TVT on Val Doonican.RegardsPeter HiderSent from Samsung Mobile on O2 -------- Original message --------From: Alec Bray via Tech1 ? From waresound at msn.com Thu Feb 28 13:10:41 2019 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2019 19:10:41 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Norman Greaves In-Reply-To: References: <4618056B-0DE9-4071-95C5-969AA5739D38@gmail.com> <964B75DC1375420190C72779EE4DFD12@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>, Message-ID: Hah, I?m only expecting about three people to turn up for my funeral! I was recently amazed at a funeral for a friend (no not him), a chap who had been a chorister at Guildford Cathedral, and then as an adult was for many years an estate agent here in Guildford. He died tragically young, and had obviously made a lot of friends along the way, because the cathedral was full. 1700 in the congregation, and the choirstalls bursting at the seams. I don?t even know 1700 people! BTW, I was quite fond of Norman Greaves too. Always a pleasure to work with. Nick. Sent from my iPad On 28 Feb 2019, at 18:50, dave.mdv via Tech1 > wrote: The root of the problem was a show which there was a VT sound problem and Norman got no backing from Sam and ended up being blamed for the whole thing. He was a lovely man to work for and I was very sad when I went to his funeral as there was only a very small contingent of BBC people there. The pub had catered for many more than turned up so some people took away trays of food, no names, no pack-drill! Cheers, Dave -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com Thu Feb 28 13:23:55 2019 From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2019 19:23:55 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] open house - mole Message-ID: Tracking the Mole on TW3, hit the studio wall on the turn past the audience rostrum (story is on the Tech Ops site). The bucket didn't shift, but the weights DID! A nice parabolic curve from bottom to top, the top one well out of line. Luckily no weights fell out on to Doug the swinger Best regards, Alec sent from my mobile phone. Apologies for any strange autocorrections. On Thu, 28 Feb 2019, 17:49 Dudley Darby, wrote: > "Open House" did have an orchestra, opposite the performance area in R1, if > I recall correctly conducted by one Tony Hatch who later wrote the > "Neighbours" theme. > > The Flying Chair was used on the front of the Mole occasionally, and to > couterbalance it the weight bucket could be pulled backwards and the > intervening space filled with extra weights as necessary. In later years > the > bucket was fixed in its normal position with an extra frame due to Health > and Safety concerns that it could move backwards if the crane hit something > going backwards at speed. It would take a hell of a lot of force to do > that! > So ended the Flying Chair. > > Dudley > > Dudley C. Darby > Email: Dudley.Darby at gmail.com > > > P Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tech1 [mailto:tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk] On Behalf Of Alec Bray > via > Tech1 > Sent: 28 February 2019 15:51 > To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > Subject: Re: [Tech1] Grandstand > > And, of course, there was the all-to-brief "Open House" on BBC-2 > (comp?red by Gay Byrne) soon after BBC-2 started, targetted especially > to those viewers who did not want to watch "Grandstand". > > It was a Riverside production in all ways, since R1 and R2 were put > together for the afternoon: which one segment was showing in one studio, > we would be rehearsing the next in the other. > > A couple of highlights I remember (apart from Blaster Bates!). A bright > young singer, Millie, singing "My Boy Lollipop" in R1. So that puts it > firmly in 1964. > > Also in R1 we had a singer fixed to the front of the Mole. I can't > remember all the details, but it was something like this. A beam about - > oh I suppose 15 inches wide (of course, pre-metrification) had hooks and > clamps which could be fastened to the front of the Mole platform. I had > never seen the likes of this, but apparently it was a sort of stock item > which could be booked out (but \I never saw it again). This was clamped > to the front of the Mole. At the far end of the beam was a seat - > somewhat akin to a London Bus Drivers seat, with the seat bit on the > beam. Whoever had to sit in this seat had basically to straddle the > seam with his or her legs. > > Obviously there had to be additional weights in the Mole bucket, but > how, or where from, these appeared, I did not know. For the song, the > singer sat in the seat, and the camera on the Mole had a (query) loose > MCU shot, so that there was a fair bit of background. The the Mole went > for an amble around the Studio (R1): the singer was always in shot and > in focus, but the background sort of swirled around him. Yes, it was a > "him" - I think that he was wearing top hat and tails ('twas a long time > ago) but certainly his dress was more formal than casual. > > There was no room in R1 and R2 for an orchestra (and I don't think that > there would have been time for a sound check! - as I recall it was all > go!). MIllie certainly miming to her record - but the male singer could > have been miming to a Beeb prerecord. > > > -- > > Best Regards > > Alec > > Alec Bray > > alec.bray.2 at gmail.com > mob: 07789 561 346 > home: 0118 981 7502 > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave at davesound.co.uk Thu Feb 28 13:24:40 2019 From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2019 19:24:40 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Tech1] Grandstand In-Reply-To: <122bb27f-41b6-6289-7244-2d01c197d8a2@gmail.com> References: <5c77dd40.1c69fb81.2f6b0.9db5@mx.google.com> <7CAAC473382D46E4BBE465CB18F31B5B@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> <4F4BD409-72A9-4F87-95C5-8DB1E91DF542@me.com> <5c77fd59.1c69fb81.eafec.0326@mx.google.com> <122bb27f-41b6-6289-7244-2d01c197d8a2@gmail.com> Message-ID: <578d8e4ce0dave@davesound.co.uk> In article <122bb27f-41b6-6289-7244-2d01c197d8a2 at gmail.com>, Alec Bray via Tech1 wrote: > Also in R1 we had a singer fixed to the front of the Mole. I can't > remember all the details, but it was something like this. A beam about - > oh I suppose 15 inches wide (of course, pre-metrification) had hooks and > clamps which could be fastened to the front of the Mole platform. I had > never seen the likes of this, but apparently it was a sort of stock item > which could be booked out (but \I never saw it again). This was clamped > to the front of the Mole. At the far end of the beam was a seat - > somewhat akin to a London Bus Drivers seat, with the seat bit on the > beam. Whoever had to sit in this seat had basically to straddle the > seam with his or her legs. Bosun's Chair? And I'm a sound man. ;-) -- *Life is hard; then you nap Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Thu Feb 28 15:17:01 2019 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2019 21:17:01 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Management Message-ID: <4e74cc5d-4f1a-3478-16e2-c765402c3869@btinternet.com> Norman's lack of support from Sam was typical of the sound management at the time. An SA1 could sit all the sound desk in the TV Theatre while the supervisor went to lunch and the band rehearsed. They were under strict orders not to record anything. One day, production asked just that and the SA1 refused to do it. Production then complained to higher powers who then got onto the sound mangement who then bollocked the SA1, who never progressed in the department, as punishment for obeying his orders! Wonderful! No wonder people wanted to move away from TVC! Cheers, Dave From peter.fox at tiscali.co.uk Thu Feb 28 15:54:16 2019 From: peter.fox at tiscali.co.uk (Peter Fox) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2019 22:54:16 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Singer on MPRC In-Reply-To: <0Lp3Lw-1hVSRo0oWC-00eqkh@mail.gmx.com> References: <0Lp3Lw-1hVSRo0oWC-00eqkh@mail.gmx.com> Message-ID: <29E96092-CD9B-4A90-882F-A6EB502BF528@tiscali.co.uk> I think, PH, that the Bongo trolley was different. Beiing a trolley and not airborne, although it was attached to the front of the Mole, it didn?t need weighing off. Peter Fox > On 28 Feb 2019, at 20:06, phider via Tech1 wrote: > > You're memory is spot on Alec. It was a bookable item from stores and, if I remember correctly, it was called a Bongo. We used it on TOTP. The camera end had a lot of inertia and you needed two arm swingers. I think it was also used in the TVT on Val Doonican. > > Regards > Peter Hider > > > > Sent from Samsung Mobile on O2 > > -------- Original message -------- > From: Alec Bray via Tech1 < > Date: 28/02/2019 15:50 (GMT+00:00) > To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > Subject: Re: > > And, of course, there was the all-to-brief "Open House" on BBC-2 > (comp?red by Gay Byrne) soon after BBC-2 started, targetted especially > to those viewers who did not want to watch "Grandstand". > > It was a Riverside production in all ways, since R1 and R2 were put > together for the afternoon: which one segment was showing in one studio, > we would be rehearsing the next in the other. > > A couple of highlights I remember (apart from Blaster Bates!). A bright > young singer, Millie, singing "My Boy Lollipop" in R1. So that puts it > firmly in 1964. > > Also in R1 we had a singer fixed to the front of the Mole. I can't > remember all the details, but it was something like this. A beam about - > oh I suppose 15 inches wide (of course, pre-metrification) had hooks and > clamps which could be fastened to the front of the Mole platform. I had > never seen the likes of this, but apparently it was a sort of stock item > which could be booked out (but \I never saw it again). This was clamped > to the front of the Mole. At the far end of the beam was a seat - > somewhat akin to a London Bus Drivers seat, with the seat bit on the > beam. Whoever had to sit in this seat had basically to straddle the > seam with his or her legs. > > Obviously there had to be additional weights in the Mole bucket, but > how, or where from, these appeared, I did not know. For the song, the > singer sat in the seat, and the camera on the Mole had a (query) loose > MCU shot, so that there was a fair bit of background. The the Mole went > for an amble around the Studio (R1): the singer was always in shot and > in focus, but the background sort of swirled around him. Yes, it was a > "him" - I think that he was wearing top hat and tails ('twas a long time > ago) but certainly his dress was more formal than casual. > > There was no room in R1 and R2 for an orchestra (and I don't think that > there would have been time for a sound check! - as I recall it was all > go!). MIllie certainly miming to her record - but the male singer could > have been miming to a Beeb prerecord. > > > -- > > Best Regards > > Alec > > Alec Bray > > alec.bray.2 at gmail.com > mob: 07789 561 346 > home: 0118 981 7502 > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From billjenkin67 at gmail.com Thu Feb 28 17:22:08 2019 From: billjenkin67 at gmail.com (Bill Jenkin) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2019 23:22:08 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Singer on MPRC In-Reply-To: <29E96092-CD9B-4A90-882F-A6EB502BF528@tiscali.co.uk> References: <0Lp3Lw-1hVSRo0oWC-00eqkh@mail.gmx.com> <29E96092-CD9B-4A90-882F-A6EB502BF528@tiscali.co.uk> Message-ID: Wasn't that device called the "Flying Chair"? BJ On Thu, 28 Feb 2019, 21:54 Peter Fox via Tech1, wrote: > I think, PH, that the Bongo trolley was different. Beiing a trolley and > not airborne, although it was attached to the front of the Mole, it didn?t > need weighing off. > > Peter Fox > > On 28 Feb 2019, at 20:06, phider via Tech1 wrote: > > You're memory is spot on Alec. It was a bookable item from stores and, if > I remember correctly, it was called a Bongo. We used it on TOTP. The camera > end had a lot of inertia and you needed two arm swingers. I think it was > also used in the TVT on Val Doonican. > > Regards > Peter Hider > > > > Sent from Samsung Mobile on O2 > > -------- Original message -------- > From: Alec Bray via Tech1 < > Date: 28/02/2019 15:50 (GMT+00:00) > To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > Subject: Re: > > And, of course, there was the all-to-brief "Open House" on BBC-2 > (comp?red by Gay Byrne) soon after BBC-2 started, targetted especially > to those viewers who did not want to watch "Grandstand". > > It was a Riverside production in all ways, since R1 and R2 were put > together for the afternoon: which one segment was showing in one studio, > we would be rehearsing the next in the other. > > A couple of highlights I remember (apart from Blaster Bates!). A bright > young singer, Millie, singing "My Boy Lollipop" in R1. So that puts it > firmly in 1964. > > Also in R1 we had a singer fixed to the front of the Mole. I can't > remember all the details, but it was something like this. A beam about - > oh I suppose 15 inches wide (of course, pre-metrification) had hooks and > clamps which could be fastened to the front of the Mole platform. I had > never seen the likes of this, but apparently it was a sort of stock item > which could be booked out (but \I never saw it again). This was clamped > to the front of the Mole. At the far end of the beam was a seat - > somewhat akin to a London Bus Drivers seat, with the seat bit on the > beam. Whoever had to sit in this seat had basically to straddle the > seam with his or her legs. > > Obviously there had to be additional weights in the Mole bucket, but > how, or where from, these appeared, I did not know. For the song, the > singer sat in the seat, and the camera on the Mole had a (query) loose > MCU shot, so that there was a fair bit of background. The the Mole went > for an amble around the Studio (R1): the singer was always in shot and > in focus, but the background sort of swirled around him. Yes, it was a > "him" - I think that he was wearing top hat and tails ('twas a long time > ago) but certainly his dress was more formal than casual. > > There was no room in R1 and R2 for an orchestra (and I don't think that > there would have been time for a sound check! - as I recall it was all > go!). MIllie certainly miming to her record - but the male singer could > have been miming to a Beeb prerecord. > > > -- > > Best Regards > > Alec > > Alec Bray > > alec.bray.2 at gmail.com > mob: 07789 561 346 > home: 0118 981 7502 > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jabberment at louisbarfe.com Thu Feb 28 18:12:38 2019 From: jabberment at louisbarfe.com (Louis Barfe) Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2019 00:12:38 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Singer on MPRC In-Reply-To: <0Lp3Lw-1hVSRo0oWC-00eqkh@mail.gmx.com> References: <0Lp3Lw-1hVSRo0oWC-00eqkh@mail.gmx.com> Message-ID: On 28/02/2019 19:06, phider via Tech1 wrote: > You're memory is spot on Alec. It was a bookable item from stores and, > if I remember correctly, it was called a Bongo. We used it on TOTP. The > camera end had a lot of inertia and you needed two arm swingers. I think > it was also used in the TVT on Val Doonican. > It was also used on a Sammy Davis Jr special from the TVT, produced by Dennis Main Drain. Sammy's percussionist Juan Mendoza was on the front of the Mole during a medley of songs from West Side Story. It's a very fine bit of camerawork. https://youtu.be/c0GCZaHjD58 All the best, Louis -- --------------------------------------------------- Some people draw conclusions like curtains. --------------------------------------------------- Louis Barfe - http://cheeseford.net