From rogerbunce at btinternet.com Mon Apr 1 02:30:57 2019 From: rogerbunce at btinternet.com (ROGER BUNCE) Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2019 07:30:57 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Tech1] Memory failure In-Reply-To: References: <9DFD412C-82AF-49E5-94B1-163449180941@epi-centre.com> Message-ID: <1041705296.23227011.1554103857600@mail.yahoo.com> And could that be Tim Healy, behind Les' right shoulder? luv, Rog. On Sunday, 31 March 2019, 22:12:38 BST, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: It's Les Thorn, who is on this list. Also, on the very right edge, I think that's me tracking the Heron beyond the Mole. B On 31/03/2019 19:51, John Henshall via Tech1 wrote: Sorry this isn?t about toilets but about work at TC ? My memory is failing. Please someone tell me the name of the tall handsome young man standing behind me as we (Crew 7) work on ?Count Basie and his Orchestra and Georgie Fame? in TC8 on?18 April 1968. And where is he now? Very frustrating that I can?t remember. It?s an age thing. 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Apparently, unamplified events, such as symphony orchestras have not been overlooked. They also replaced the over-stage canopies and upholstery materials in the seats to improve the natural acoustics. They are also considering heavy drapes near the back wall to absorb more LF audio. Alan Taylor On 2 Apr 2019, at 2 Apr . 11:46, Mike Jordan via Tech1 wrote: > Well that is all right isn?t it. What on earth a surround system will do to proper orchestras as in the proms, who knows! > > Mike > > > > https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-47778463 > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Tue Apr 2 14:49:48 2019 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2019 20:49:48 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] This week's project Message-ID: This week, having installed a new kitchen monoblock mixer tap, sorted the boiler out again, installed a new toilet, I am now fixing a Philips Azur Performance Plus steam iron! For several weeks the thermostat dial has refused to move so I have now dismantled the whole thing and found that the thermostat mechanism was rusted solid! WD40 for several applications, strong pliers and now graphite oil spray have restored finger tip rotation! You wouldn't belive how many small plastic mouldings, tiny springs and rubbery connecters there are in it! I'm looking forward to what next week will offer me! Cheers, Dave. From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Tue Apr 2 15:55:47 2019 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2019 21:55:47 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Projects Message-ID: PS. I forgot to mention installing a brand new actuator for my 3-position central heating valve. The original cost about ?10 in 1975 and in the early days had several re-con kits, but none in the last 20 years, the new one cost me ?264! How's that for inflation? Cheers, Dave From waresound at msn.com Wed Apr 3 02:35:03 2019 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2019 07:35:03 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Projects In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: So roughly speaking, if you had fitted a completely new valve in let?s say, 2000 for around ?64, and invested ?200 in Premium Bonds, you could still have a working valve today that cost you who knows how little, or maybe even showed you a profit! Isn?t hindsight a wonderful thing? Cheers, Nick. Sent from my iPad On 2 Apr 2019, at 21:56, dave.mdv via Tech1 > wrote: PS. I forgot to mention installing a brand new actuator for my 3-position central heating valve. The original cost about ?10 in 1975 and in the early days had several re-con kits, but none in the last 20 years, the new one cost me ?264! How's that for inflation? Cheers, Dave -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Wed Apr 3 02:58:12 2019 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2019 08:58:12 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Projects In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hindsight is certainly wonderful! I'm sure that T.May wouldn't have jumped into No. 10 if she'd known what lay ahead! Cheers, Dave From bernie833 at gmail.com Wed Apr 3 04:00:25 2019 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2019 10:00:25 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Projects In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8a5ac609-7712-a102-9252-814c2ba8748f@ntlworld.com> I'm surprised that the valve cost so much. You can buy a complete Drayton 3 way valve from Wickes for ?68. B On 03/04/2019 08:35, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: > So roughly speaking, if you had fitted a completely new valve in let?s > say, 2000 for around ?64, and invested ?200 in Premium Bonds, you > could still have a working valve today that cost you who knows how > little, or maybe even showed you a profit! > Isn?t hindsight a wonderful thing? > Cheers, Nick. > Sent from my iPad > > On 2 Apr 2019, at 21:56, dave.mdv via Tech1 > wrote: > >> PS. I forgot to mention installing a brand new actuator for my >> 3-position central heating valve. The original cost about ?10 in 1975 >> and in the early days had several re-con kits, but none in the last >> 20 years, the new one cost me ?264! How's that for inflation? Cheers, >> Dave >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I?ll be glad of the opportunity to get away from removing tacky chandeliers, plugging screw holes and fixing dodgy electrics! I don?t see myself making a paper camera, but would be happy to donate the cost of one to the Prostate cause. Just grab me for it on the day! Cheers, Nick. Sent from my iPad On 3 Apr 2019, at 11:02, Bernard Newnham via Announce > wrote: I've just sold the last of the second block, and thus have donated ?80 to Prostate Cancer UK. Thanks to all who've joined in - I hope your models are looking good. Total now donated to charity ?180. I have two spare copies that I'll be bringing to the Disorganised. Have your ?20 ready. B -- Announce mailing list Announce at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/announce_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Wed Apr 3 08:05:15 2019 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2019 14:05:15 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Albert Hall sound system In-Reply-To: References: <0BECE8E562B742F68D27BB43E64E450D@Gigabyte> Message-ID: <5ca4af8b.1c69fb81.86c6e.1952@mx.google.com> Interesting ? because of the regular shape of the dome, it was a nightmare for reverberation. The ?saucers? improved things, greatly. Many venues were built before electronic amplification was needed, in fact, operatic and orchestral performances didn?t or shouldn?t have needed it. Is it the need for modern ?pop? singers to swallow the hand mic? It?s mostly that they haven?t the voice to reach the ?gods? or that the musicians backing them are so loud anyway that separation becomes almost impossible. I spent most of 2018 going to see ?42nd Street? at Drury Lane. (Ten times!) Fantastic show, and both the band and the principal artistes were all miked and amplified. Although it was a good mix, I felt cheated since it was akin to hearing it off a broadcast radio speaker, and not truly fully ?live?. The best auditorium that I have been to as a customer, has been the Birmingham Symphony Hall ? that is superb. I had two/ three experiences in the Albert Hall: To record a boxing match for Sportsview, on 16mm Auricon s.o.f cameras. The requirement was for commentator?s lip ribbon and an effects mic to capture the ?leather-on-face? noises. In any other venues I handled, it was possible to sling an overhead mic ? not in the AH, as we arrived too late for the in-house scene boys to rig the latter. I had to resort to taping a mic to one of the ?dead? corner posts. Event two: A rock concert, with many legendary names. I was poorly with ?flu? and insisted on being in charge of the two BETA recorders stashed in a box opposite the stage. The main sound capture was being done by the Manor Mobile, and a poor colleague was crawling under the false arena floor to route a guide feed to our two cameras. When they ripped into ?Lucille? I suddenly forgot about feeling unwell! Event three ? much earlier I was a performer! In the arena ? a Folk Dance performance! ?nuff said, I think! Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Alan Taylor via Tech1 Sent: 02 April 2019 12:33 To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat Subject: Re: [Tech1] Albert Hall sound system For those interested, there's a much more comprehensive article with a better explanation about the history and technicalities on?Wired - How the Royal Albert Hall was designed to fix it's dreadful echo. Apparently, unamplified events, such as symphony orchestras have not been overlooked. They also replaced the over-stage canopies and upholstery materials in the seats to improve the natural acoustics. ?They are also considering heavy drapes near the back wall to absorb more LF audio. Alan Taylor On 2 Apr 2019, at 2 Apr . 11:46, Mike Jordan via Tech1 wrote: Well that is all right isn?t it. What on earth a surround system will do to proper orchestras as in the proms, who knows! ? Mike ? ? --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graeme.wall at icloud.com Wed Apr 3 08:25:27 2019 From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall) Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2019 14:25:27 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Albert Hall sound system In-Reply-To: <5ca4af8b.1c69fb81.86c6e.1952@mx.google.com> References: <0BECE8E562B742F68D27BB43E64E450D@Gigabyte> <5ca4af8b.1c69fb81.86c6e.1952@mx.google.com> Message-ID: > On 3 Apr 2019, at 14:05, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > > I was a performer! In the arena ? a Folk Dance performance! > ?nuff said, I think! > Where?s the video? ? Graeme Wall From dave at davesound.co.uk Wed Apr 3 08:38:34 2019 From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman) Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2019 14:38:34 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Projects In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <579ef10956dave@davesound.co.uk> In article , dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: > PS. I forgot to mention installing a brand new actuator for my > 3-position central heating valve. The original cost about ?10 in 1975 > and in the early days had several re-con kits, but none in the last 20 > years, the new one cost me ?264! How's that for inflation? Cheers, Dave More like profit? A standard 3 port valve from TLC is ?37 plus VAT. But of course system boilers (where it came with it and is internal) might use a 'special' that a boiler maker can charge what they want for spares. Did you check Ebay? If an old system, lots of used spares on there. And maybe even new. -- *Nothing is foolproof to a sufficiently talented fool* Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From pat.heigham at amps.net Wed Apr 3 08:45:52 2019 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2019 14:45:52 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Albert Hall sound system In-Reply-To: References: <0BECE8E562B742F68D27BB43E64E450D@Gigabyte> <5ca4af8b.1c69fb81.86c6e.1952@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <5ca4b910.1c69fb81.6b29a.f01d@mx.google.com> Wish there was! The full story: Before elbowing my way into BBC Television, I was at a Technical College which had a policy of everyone taking one period a week of Liberal Studies, separate from our normal syllabus. Into Physics and Maths, I could have done carpentery or metalwork, but opted for the Folk/Country dancing group ? reckoning on meeting the girls! Learned Morris Dancing ? don?t know why it?s sneered at ? other countries are proud of their national folk dance ? with stick work, one has to be perfectly accurate, otherwise your head gets thumped! I got invited to join the Ring which taught us, and spent a splendid Saturday traversing pubs in Surrey: ?Hi, Landlord, can we dance for your customers?? After ? ?Great, Lads ? have a pint on the house!? Into the bus, and onto the next pub ? best source of free beer! With the Country Dancing section, found a lovely girlfriend and we were part of the English Folk Dance Society?s team at the Albert Hall. Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Graeme Wall Sent: 03 April 2019 14:25 To: patheigham Cc: Alan Taylor; Tech-Ops-chit-chat Subject: Re: [Tech1] Albert Hall sound system > On 3 Apr 2019, at 14:05, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > > I was a performer! In the arena ? a Folk Dance performance! > ?nuff said, I think! > Where?s the video? ? Graeme Wall --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alanaudio at me.com Wed Apr 3 08:46:52 2019 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2019 14:46:52 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Albert Hall sound system In-Reply-To: <5ca4af8b.1c69fb81.86c6e.1952@mx.google.com> References: <0BECE8E562B742F68D27BB43E64E450D@Gigabyte> <5ca4af8b.1c69fb81.86c6e.1952@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <3678D2B3-D1AF-4B90-BD54-1B56201166D7@me.com> I too did some boxing from the RAH and we had to rig a suspended microphone over the ring. I was allowed into the dome and could access a special ladder to reach the very highest part inside the glass dome. There was a small hole in the inner liner of the dome where the microphone and very long cable could be lowered through. Two things made a big impression on me. One was the incredibly strong up-draught of rising hot air which was funnelled through that hole. The other was just how tiny those mushrooms looked, seemingly so near the floor. Another show I did from the RAH was a Song For Europe contest in 1979. However the show didn't end up getting televised due to industrial action. One of the acts taking part was "Herbie Flowers and the Daisies". The group were all dressed in green tights and shirts with collars like daisies and yellow berets. Some of you will know of Herbie Flowers for his various musical exploits on bass or tuba, or notoriously for writing the song "Grandad" for Clive Dunn. In the mid 80's, I was working on the TV Science Fiction series "Tripods". The music for the series was composed and performed by Ken Freeman. Ken and I struck up a good friendship and I would often pop round to his house where he had an amazing Synclavier system occupying his front room. One day Ken mentioned that he was a very good friend of Herbie Flowers, so I said that he should remind Herbie of the time he looked a complete pillock dressed in green tights, a daisy collar and a yellow beret. Ken laughed and said to me "I suppose you didn't notice who played keyboards with Herbie?" before producing a photo of them dressed in those costumes. Wrapping up those two topics and getting back to the Albert Hall's acoustics - There was a moment in the rehearsal for Herbie's song when it all ground to a halt for production reasons and Herbie was stood at the microphone with nothing to do. Obviously he was well known by the members of the orchestra and there was usually some banter going on with them. When the floor manager told him to pause, Herbie sighed loudly and the orchestra copied him making a much louder sigh. Herbie then looked surprised and said " Ooooh", whereupon the band went "Ooh" even louder. Herbie then said "This must be the amazing Albert Hall Echo" and the band shouted "No it isn't". Alan Taylor On 3 Apr 2019, at 3 Apr . 14:05, patheigham wrote: > Interesting ? because of the regular shape of the dome, it was a nightmare for reverberation. The ?saucers? improved things, greatly. > Many venues were built before electronic amplification was needed, > in fact, operatic and orchestral performances didn?t or shouldn?t have needed it. Is it the need for modern ?pop? singers to swallow the hand mic? It?s mostly that they haven?t the voice to reach the ?gods? or that the musicians backing them are so loud anyway that separation becomes almost impossible. > I spent most of 2018 going to see ?42nd Street? at Drury Lane. (Ten times!) Fantastic show, and both the band and the principal artistes were all miked and amplified. Although it was a good mix, I felt cheated since it was akin to hearing it off a broadcast radio speaker, and not truly fully ?live?. > The best auditorium that I have been to as a customer, has been the Birmingham Symphony Hall ? that is superb. > > I had two/ three experiences in the Albert Hall: > To record a boxing match for Sportsview, on 16mm Auricon s.o.f cameras. The requirement was for commentator?s lip ribbon and an effects mic to capture the ?leather-on-face? noises. > In any other venues I handled, it was possible to sling an overhead mic ? not in the AH, as we arrived too late for the in-house scene boys to rig the latter. I had to resort to taping a mic to one of the ?dead? corner posts. > Event two: > A rock concert, with many legendary names. I was poorly with ?flu? and insisted on being in charge of the two BETA recorders stashed in a box opposite the stage. The main sound capture was being done by the Manor Mobile, and a poor colleague was crawling under the false arena floor to route a guide feed to our two cameras. > When they ripped into ?Lucille? I suddenly forgot about feeling unwell! > Event three ? much earlier > I was a performer! In the arena ? a Folk Dance performance! > ?nuff said, I think! > > Pat > > > > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > From: Alan Taylor via Tech1 > Sent: 02 April 2019 12:33 > To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat > Subject: Re: [Tech1] Albert Hall sound system > > For those interested, there's a much more comprehensive article with a better explanation about the history and technicalities on Wired - How the Royal Albert Hall was designed to fix it's dreadful echo. > > Apparently, unamplified events, such as symphony orchestras have not been overlooked. They also replaced the over-stage canopies and upholstery materials in the seats to improve the natural acoustics. They are also considering heavy drapes near the back wall to absorb more LF audio. > > Alan Taylor > > > On 2 Apr 2019, at 2 Apr . 11:46, Mike Jordan via Tech1 wrote: > > > Well that is all right isn?t it. What on earth a surround system will do to proper orchestras as in the proms, who knows! > > Mike > > > > > Virus-free. www.avast.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graeme.wall at icloud.com Wed Apr 3 08:56:28 2019 From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall) Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2019 14:56:28 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Albert Hall sound system In-Reply-To: <5ca4b910.1c69fb81.6b29a.f01d@mx.google.com> References: <0BECE8E562B742F68D27BB43E64E450D@Gigabyte> <5ca4af8b.1c69fb81.86c6e.1952@mx.google.com> <5ca4b910.1c69fb81.6b29a.f01d@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <08680BA3-7FE3-4BF0-A210-DF90B17F7C91@icloud.com> Good for you, even got the girl. I?ve two left feet so am content to watch from the sidelines. ? Graeme Wall > On 3 Apr 2019, at 14:45, patheigham wrote: > > Wish there was! > The full story: > Before elbowing my way into BBC Television, I was at a Technical College which had a policy of everyone taking one period a week of Liberal Studies, separate from our normal syllabus. > Into Physics and Maths, I could have done carpentery or metalwork, but opted for the Folk/Country dancing group ? reckoning on meeting the girls! > Learned Morris Dancing ? don?t know why it?s sneered at ? other countries are proud of their national folk dance ? with stick work, one has to be perfectly accurate, otherwise your head gets thumped! > I got invited to join the Ring which taught us, and spent a splendid Saturday traversing pubs in Surrey: > ?Hi, Landlord, can we dance for your customers?? > After ? ?Great, Lads ? have a pint on the house!? > Into the bus, and onto the next pub ? best source of free beer! > With the Country Dancing section, found a lovely girlfriend and we were part of the English Folk Dance Society?s team at the Albert Hall. > Pat > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > From: Graeme Wall > Sent: 03 April 2019 14:25 > To: patheigham > Cc: Alan Taylor; Tech-Ops-chit-chat > Subject: Re: [Tech1] Albert Hall sound system > > > > > On 3 Apr 2019, at 14:05, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > > > > I was a performer! In the arena ? a Folk Dance performance! > > ?nuff said, I think! > > > > Where?s the video? > > ? > Graeme Wall > > > Virus-free. www.avast.com From dave at davesound.co.uk Wed Apr 3 08:46:41 2019 From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman) Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2019 14:46:41 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] This week's project In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <579ef1c781dave@davesound.co.uk> In article , dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: > This week, having installed a new kitchen monoblock mixer tap, sorted > the boiler out again, installed a new toilet, I am now fixing a Philips > Azur Performance Plus steam iron! For several weeks the thermostat dial > has refused to move so I have now dismantled the whole thing and found > that the thermostat mechanism was rusted solid! WD40 for several > applications, strong pliers and now graphite oil spray have restored > finger tip rotation! You wouldn't belive how many small plastic > mouldings, tiny springs and rubbery connecters there are in it! I'm > looking forward to what next week will offer me! Cheers, Dave. Is your house small and very well insulated, Dave? This talk about an ancient boiler, etc. My boiler was a floor standing Potterton Kingfisher - from the days when Potterton made decent boilers. Just a basic cast iron balanced flue lump. Which did the job. When I was doing a major refurkle of the room it is in, I changed to a Viessmann condensing system boiler. Still with storage hot water - so really just a new boiler. Installed it myself, and bought it off Ebay new. At some 25% discount from the trade price at Plumbing World. It covered the cost in about 4 years in gas saving. Of course might never have if I'd paid to have it installed. Which would have been about 3x that of DIY. -- *Did you ever notice when you blow in a dog's face he gets mad at you? * Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com Wed Apr 3 11:07:52 2019 From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray) Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2019 17:07:52 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] For the Railway Enthusiasts (Steam, GWR) Message-ID: Hi all, The first picture of "Lady of Legend", locomotive number 2999, in GWR green and in steam. The high-stepping Lady is a "Saint" class locomotive, and is a reverse rebuild from Maindy Hall. I quite unexpectedly got an invite to the preview of this locomotive's public appearance - it will be? officially made public and on show this weekend at Didcot Railway Centre.? Prue Leith is doing the "ceremony" . Quite remarkably, this rebuild of an iconic locomotive class cost just over ?800,000 - a bargain these days! 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Next time Eric Clapton' Rock School' tutorial Eric and a Huge Marshal stack ,we ended up using just Erics ECM 50 as that sounded better than any other arrangement?. As a punter, a few Proms, mostly disastrous, especially bad under the balcony tier , floor level Several soloists rendered inaudible from strange cancellations and phasing reflections Its a Grand Venue , I hope they haven?t tamed it or castrated it, sometime the Proms broadcasts sound very dead and close miked Its a very idiosyncratic venue, but I love it for all its manifold faults. Roger Long From graeme.wall at icloud.com Wed Apr 3 12:54:09 2019 From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall) Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2019 18:54:09 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] For the Railway Enthusiasts (Steam, GWR) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <15EC261E-A57F-45A9-9DF3-0E35BB39852E@icloud.com> Nice, I remember Maindy Hall arriving from Barry far too many years ago. ? Graeme Wall > On 3 Apr 2019, at 17:07, Alec Bray via Tech1 wrote: > > Hi all, > > The first picture of "Lady of Legend", locomotive number 2999, in GWR green and in steam. > > > > > > The high-stepping Lady is a "Saint" class locomotive, and is a reverse rebuild from Maindy Hall. > > I quite unexpectedly got an invite to the preview of this locomotive's public appearance - it will be officially made public and on show this weekend at Didcot Railway Centre. Prue Leith is doing the "ceremony" . > > Quite remarkably, this rebuild of an iconic locomotive class cost just over ?800,000 - a bargain these days! > > Anyway, you saw it here first! > > -- > > Best Regards > > Alec > > Alec Bray > > > alec.bray.2 at gmail.com > > mob: 07789 561 346 > home: 0118 981 7502 > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From pat.heigham at amps.net Wed Apr 3 13:26:21 2019 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2019 19:26:21 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] For the Railway Enthusiasts (Steam, GWR) In-Reply-To: <15EC261E-A57F-45A9-9DF3-0E35BB39852E@icloud.com> References: <15EC261E-A57F-45A9-9DF3-0E35BB39852E@icloud.com> Message-ID: <5ca4facd.1c69fb81.6cfab.1477@mx.google.com> And I remember at the age of 5 standing above the arch of the tunnel after Ryde Esplanade and being enveloped in the choo-choo! I also sneaked onto lines to place pennies to be rolled flat. Did that again when filming on the Bluebell years later! Childish habits die hard! Pat Mail for Windows 10 --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From barrybonner119 at btinternet.com Wed Apr 3 16:17:23 2019 From: barrybonner119 at btinternet.com (Barry Bonner) Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2019 22:17:23 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Disorganised Lunch Message-ID: <15E0B656-42A8-4E73-AA29-A9FA86748AB1@btinternet.com> Hi All, Just a reminder that it?s next Wednesday?.I usually do a VT clock as a reminder but I?ve forgotten so here?s Bernie?s original. The next disorganised lunch will be on 10th April from 1200 at the Horniman at Hays Galleria. If you haven't been before - there's no RSVP, you just turn up. We'll be, as ever, upstairs, filling a large part of the area. I've booked us all in. Directions, if anyone needs them - leave the new London Bridge station on the Tooley Street side and it's right opposite, with big signs. Go to the far right end near the river and the Belfast and you're there. Please can someone tell Don Smith and any other non-email people. THE HORNIMAN AT HAYS Unit 26 Hays Galleria, London, Greater London, SE1 2HD Barry. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Wed Apr 3 17:28:57 2019 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2019 23:28:57 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] For the Railway Enthusiasts (Steam, GWR) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Super photo, Alec, I can almost smell it! Cheers, Dave From mibridge at mac.com Wed Apr 3 17:37:57 2019 From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles) Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2019 23:37:57 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] For the Railway Enthusiasts (Steam, GWR) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I think that might be your plumbing you can smell Dave! Mike G > On 3 Apr 2019, at 23:28, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: > > Super photo, Alec, I can almost smell it! Cheers, Dave > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From alawrance1 at me.com Wed Apr 3 11:25:25 2019 From: alawrance1 at me.com (Alasdair Lawrance) Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2019 17:25:25 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] iPad Pro. Message-ID: <195D3F16-8C52-4ACC-A659-84D2709CBBDD@me.com> Someone on this group wanted to talk about the iPad Pro, but the synapses have gone a bit AWOL and I can?t remember who. Can you e me again, please, off list. Alasdair Lawrance alawrance1 at me.com From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Fri Apr 5 17:58:32 2019 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2019 23:58:32 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Painful knees Message-ID: I din't suppose for a minute that I am the only sufferer! I have always had bent legs, cowboy style, and my GP suggested that I may have had rickets as a child in the war. Anyway, I have had X-rays, therapy, pills, physiotherapy, but nothing has helped. My surgery has stopped my free prescription of Ibruprofen, as I can buy it over the counter! The pharmacist recommended a roll-on herbal treatment and I am amazed to say that it has actually helped! Whoopee! It is call Pure Essential Articulations and cost nearly ?15. Volterol has two new versions, one for backs and muscles and one for joints (twice the strength) but they say do not use if you are taking other NSAIDs such as Ibruprofen! So that's me out. Good luck if you suffer as well! Cheers, Dave From graeme.wall at icloud.com Sat Apr 6 03:04:43 2019 From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall) Date: Sat, 6 Apr 2019 09:04:43 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Painful knees In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6889F5AF-6231-4FE8-A41E-5630E0135761@icloud.com> Must look out for the Volterol stuff, might help my wife with her back. ? Graeme Wall > On 5 Apr 2019, at 23:58, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: > > I din't suppose for a minute that I am the only sufferer! I have always had bent legs, cowboy style, and my GP suggested that I may have had rickets as a child in the war. Anyway, I have had X-rays, therapy, pills, physiotherapy, but nothing has helped. My surgery has stopped my free prescription of Ibruprofen, as I can buy it over the counter! The pharmacist recommended a roll-on herbal treatment and I am amazed to say that it has actually helped! Whoopee! It is call Pure Essential Articulations and cost nearly ?15. Volterol has two new versions, one for backs and muscles and one for joints (twice the strength) but they say do not use if you are taking other NSAIDs such as Ibruprofen! So that's me out. Good luck if you suffer as well! Cheers, Dave > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net Sat Apr 6 03:21:34 2019 From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt) Date: Sat, 6 Apr 2019 09:21:34 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Painful knees In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <882C3542B2764724812BBAE604EAF2A2@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> Hi Dave, Sounds like good news for you after years of fruitless investigations. Could you put a rough percentage estimate on the extent of pain reduction? Neither my wife nor myself have ever had any joy from Voltarol when attempting relief for either muscle or joint pain anywhere on our bodies. Everything works for someone; nothing works for everyone. Bummer! Regards, Dave Newbitt. -----Original Message----- From: dave.mdv via Tech1 Sent: Friday, April 5, 2019 11:58 PM To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: [Tech1] Painful knees I din't suppose for a minute that I am the only sufferer! I have always had bent legs, cowboy style, and my GP suggested that I may have had rickets as a child in the war. Anyway, I have had X-rays, therapy, pills, physiotherapy, but nothing has helped. My surgery has stopped my free prescription of Ibruprofen, as I can buy it over the counter! The pharmacist recommended a roll-on herbal treatment and I am amazed to say that it has actually helped! Whoopee! It is call Pure Essential Articulations and cost nearly ?15. Volterol has two new versions, one for backs and muscles and one for joints (twice the strength) but they say do not use if you are taking other NSAIDs such as Ibruprofen! So that's me out. Good luck if you suffer as well! Cheers, Dave -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From rogerbunce at btinternet.com Sat Apr 6 13:19:18 2019 From: rogerbunce at btinternet.com (ROGER BUNCE) Date: Sat, 6 Apr 2019 18:19:18 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Tech1] Painful knees In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <748905929.28900091.1554574758868@mail.yahoo.com> Since when were Sound Men allowed to have painful knees? Don't you lot sit down all day? It's us standing-up folk who get painful knees! Most of my Camera colleagues suffered back problems, but I never did. That's 'cos I was a goody-two-shoes who always remembered the rule that, when lifting heavy weights, always bend your knees not your back. The result of all that obedient behaviour is that my back is fine - but my knees are agony! My GP assured me that there was lots they could do, short of serious surgery. So, I had the X-rays and the MRI scan. He looked at the results, winced and said, forget all those other options, you need two new knees. Yipee! And that's what I'm waiting for now. It there really a herbal treatment called P.E.A.? luv, Rog.? On Friday, 5 April 2019, 23:58:54 BST, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: I din't suppose for a minute that I am the only sufferer! I have always had bent legs, cowboy style, and my GP suggested that I may have had rickets as a child in the war. Anyway, I have had X-rays, therapy, pills, physiotherapy, but nothing has helped. My surgery has stopped my free prescription of Ibruprofen, as I can buy it over the counter! The pharmacist recommended a roll-on herbal treatment and I am amazed to say that it has actually helped! Whoopee! It is call Pure Essential Articulations and cost nearly ?15. Volterol has two new versions, one for backs and muscles and one for joints (twice the strength) but they say do not use if you are taking other NSAIDs such as Ibruprofen! So that's me out. Good luck if you suffer as well! Cheers, Dave -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Sat Apr 6 14:41:27 2019 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Sat, 6 Apr 2019 20:41:27 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Painful knees In-Reply-To: <748905929.28900091.1554574758868@mail.yahoo.com> References: <748905929.28900091.1554574758868@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <9d6720d4-5ee9-f152-8f00-3d781d9e2bcf@btinternet.com> Only the supervisors sit down! The minions walk all 18 holes of golf courses, for example, on the Open! The sups. will have done their stint out in the field some years before, so no one is immune! Not only P.E.A. but 'Snail Elixir'! Apparently, the good folk living in Crete eat a lot of snails and there is no osteo-arthritis on the island. We received a 10 page booklet advertising it today. I tried it last year, nearly ?30 for one small bottle, and it made no difference whatsoever! Cheers, Dave. From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Sat Apr 6 14:47:18 2019 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Sat, 6 Apr 2019 20:47:18 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] GPS Message-ID: <9e9e8a39-4328-6686-f0fe-8bbbf23c765e@btinternet.com> On a totally different tack please read the attached warning if you have an old TomTom sat-nav. It refers to today! Cheers, Dave -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: GPS.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 90271 bytes Desc: not available URL: From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Sat Apr 6 16:01:54 2019 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Sat, 6 Apr 2019 22:01:54 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Painful knees In-Reply-To: <882C3542B2764724812BBAE604EAF2A2@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> References: <882C3542B2764724812BBAE604EAF2A2@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> Message-ID: <515ff8a7-c32c-2981-bece-72be7ebf8b97@btinternet.com> As you rightly observe, what works for one body may not work for another! A friend of my wife swears by 'Devils Claw' gel, I tried it and once again nothing changed. It's hard to quantify the improvement I got yesterday but today things are back to normal! That said, I have been standing a lot more today and that really kills my knee joints. In the '70s I twisted my right knee running for the 715 Greenline which used to pass our house and go through Shepherds Bush on it's way to Hertford (we couldn't afford a car in those days!). I was referred for treatment at Surbiton hospital which meant leaving TVC on the 72 to Tolworth, and then another bus up to the hospital and then return to TVC for the rest of the day, and then get the last 715 back home, sometimes having to run down Wood Lane to catch it! It's a good job we had plenty of staff in those days! Cheers, Dave From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Sat Apr 6 19:02:09 2019 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2019 01:02:09 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Pop classics Message-ID: <2d4dd7be-055c-c0ca-348e-af8e3e2b3604@btinternet.com> For those of you who enjoyed the modern version of Vivald's 'Gloria' here's another classic that I have just discovered, Handels 'Sarabande'. Cheers, Dave. PS. Apologies for the MP3 but the flac file is far too big to post! -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Sarabande.mp3 Type: audio/mpeg Size: 5112894 bytes Desc: not available URL: From jpn at imixmics.co.uk Sun Apr 7 02:28:16 2019 From: jpn at imixmics.co.uk (John Nottage) Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2019 08:28:16 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Painful knees In-Reply-To: <748905929.28900091.1554574758868@mail.yahoo.com> References: <748905929.28900091.1554574758868@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Word of warning: a lady I know was persuaded to have both her knees done the same day - she has never recovered, still hobbling round on 2 sticks! I think you need one old knee working while the new one settles in. Once that's happy, tackle the other one. Many years ago, one of my knees failed. I was working at Hickstead & spotted a stall promoting some horse liniment for joints. There was also a human version so I gave it a try. It did seem to work, but I'll never know if it was the horse liniment or the problem went away on it's own. I see the product name still exists, but now in very expensive capsule form: https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=cortaflex+human Now the other knee has started giving me grief so I'll try Dave's Pure Essential Articulations. I can't get it locally, so I'll have to wait till the next visit to Norwich Boots. Again, if the problem goes away, is it due to the ointment...? It's a real pain getting old! Anybody got any monkey glands? John On 06/04/2019 19:19, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 wrote: > Since when were Sound Men allowed to have painful knees? Don't you lot > sit down all day? It's us standing-up folk who get painful knees! Most > of my Camera colleagues suffered back problems, but I never did. That's > 'cos I was a goody-two-shoes who always remembered the rule that, when > lifting heavy weights, always bend your knees not your back. The result > of all that obedient behaviour is that my back is fine - but my knees > are agony! > > My GP assured me that there was lots they could do, short of serious > surgery. So, I had the X-rays and the MRI scan. He looked at the > results, winced and said, forget all those other options, you need two > new knees. Yipee! And that's what I'm waiting for now. > > It there really a herbal treatment called P.E.A.? > > luv, Rog. > > > On Friday, 5 April 2019, 23:58:54 BST, dave.mdv via Tech1 > wrote: > > > I din't suppose for a minute that I am the only sufferer! I have always > had bent legs, cowboy style, and my GP suggested that I may have had > rickets as a child in the war. Anyway, I have had X-rays, therapy, > pills, physiotherapy, but nothing has helped. My surgery has stopped my > free prescription of Ibruprofen, as I can buy it over the counter! The > pharmacist recommended a roll-on herbal treatment and I am amazed to say > that it has actually helped! Whoopee! It is call Pure Essential > Articulations and cost nearly ?15. Volterol has two new versions, one > for backs and muscles and one for joints (twice the strength) but they > say do not use if you are taking other NSAIDs such as Ibruprofen! So > that's me out. Good luck if you suffer as well! Cheers, Dave > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net Sun Apr 7 02:54:00 2019 From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt) Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2019 08:54:00 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Painful knees In-Reply-To: References: <748905929.28900091.1554574758868@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2E14BB1BE9824B40AE93234B02B04926@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> It's available here John :- https://www.sanareva.co.uk/puressentiel-articulations-muscles-cryo-pure-roller-75ml.html There seem to be a few Pure Essential versions - 'Muscles & Joints' etc. Also available either as a gel or roller ball applicator. Some variants on Amazon also. Dave Newbitt. -----Original Message----- From: John Nottage via Tech1 Sent: Sunday, April 7, 2019 8:28 AM To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Painful knees Word of warning: a lady I know was persuaded to have both her knees done the same day - she has never recovered, still hobbling round on 2 sticks! I think you need one old knee working while the new one settles in. Once that's happy, tackle the other one. Many years ago, one of my knees failed. I was working at Hickstead & spotted a stall promoting some horse liniment for joints. There was also a human version so I gave it a try. It did seem to work, but I'll never know if it was the horse liniment or the problem went away on it's own. I see the product name still exists, but now in very expensive capsule form: https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=cortaflex+human Now the other knee has started giving me grief so I'll try Dave's Pure Essential Articulations. I can't get it locally, so I'll have to wait till the next visit to Norwich Boots. Again, if the problem goes away, is it due to the ointment...? It's a real pain getting old! Anybody got any monkey glands? John On 06/04/2019 19:19, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 wrote: > Since when were Sound Men allowed to have painful knees? Don't you lot sit > down all day? It's us standing-up folk who get painful knees! Most of my > Camera colleagues suffered back problems, but I never did. That's 'cos I > was a goody-two-shoes who always remembered the rule that, when lifting > heavy weights, always bend your knees not your back. The result of all > that obedient behaviour is that my back is fine - but my knees are agony! > > My GP assured me that there was lots they could do, short of serious > surgery. So, I had the X-rays and the MRI scan. He looked at the results, > winced and said, forget all those other options, you need two new knees. > Yipee! And that's what I'm waiting for now. > > It there really a herbal treatment called P.E.A.? > > luv, Rog. > > > On Friday, 5 April 2019, 23:58:54 BST, dave.mdv via Tech1 > wrote: > > > I din't suppose for a minute that I am the only sufferer! I have always > had bent legs, cowboy style, and my GP suggested that I may have had > rickets as a child in the war. Anyway, I have had X-rays, therapy, > pills, physiotherapy, but nothing has helped. My surgery has stopped my > free prescription of Ibruprofen, as I can buy it over the counter! The > pharmacist recommended a roll-on herbal treatment and I am amazed to say > that it has actually helped! Whoopee! It is call Pure Essential > Articulations and cost nearly ?15. Volterol has two new versions, one > for backs and muscles and one for joints (twice the strength) but they > say do not use if you are taking other NSAIDs such as Ibruprofen! So > that's me out. Good luck if you suffer as well! Cheers, Dave > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From jpn at imixmics.co.uk Sun Apr 7 04:08:14 2019 From: jpn at imixmics.co.uk (John Nottage) Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2019 10:08:14 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Painful knees In-Reply-To: <2E14BB1BE9824B40AE93234B02B04926@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> References: <748905929.28900091.1554574758868@mail.yahoo.com> <2E14BB1BE9824B40AE93234B02B04926@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> Message-ID: <199ab7ed-bea4-1196-476e-f380d66d78b9@imixmics.co.uk> I tend to avoid on-line shopping if I can. Our address is off the radar for most delivery firms & it can be a nightmare getting stuff safely delivered! I'll wait for Boots. John On 07/04/2019 08:54, David Newbitt wrote: > It's available here John :- > > https://www.sanareva.co.uk/puressentiel-articulations-muscles-cryo-pure-roller-75ml.html > > > There seem to be a few Pure Essential versions - 'Muscles & Joints' etc. > Also available either as > a gel or roller ball applicator. Some variants on Amazon also. > > Dave Newbitt. > > -----Original Message----- From: John Nottage via Tech1 > Sent: Sunday, April 7, 2019 8:28 AM > To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > Subject: Re: [Tech1] Painful knees > > Word of warning: a lady I know was persuaded to have both her knees done > the same day - she has never recovered, still hobbling round on 2 > sticks! I think you need one old knee working while the new one settles > in. Once that's happy, tackle the other one. > > Many years ago, one of my knees failed. I was working at Hickstead & > spotted a stall promoting some horse liniment for joints. There was also > a human version so I gave it a try. It did seem to work, but I'll never > know if it was the horse liniment or the problem went away on it's own. > I see the product name still exists, but now in very expensive capsule > form: > > https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=cortaflex+human > > Now the other knee has started giving me grief so I'll try Dave's Pure > Essential Articulations. I can't get it locally, so I'll have to wait > till the next visit to Norwich Boots. Again, if the problem goes away, > is it due to the ointment...? > > It's a real pain getting old! Anybody got any monkey glands? > > John > > On 06/04/2019 19:19, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 wrote: >> Since when were Sound Men allowed to have painful knees? Don't you lot >> sit down all day? It's us standing-up folk who get painful knees! Most >> of my Camera colleagues suffered back problems, but I never did. >> That's 'cos I was a goody-two-shoes who always remembered the rule >> that, when lifting heavy weights, always bend your knees not your >> back. The result of all that obedient behaviour is that my back is >> fine - but my knees are agony! >> >> My GP assured me that there was lots they could do, short of serious >> surgery. So, I had the X-rays and the MRI scan. He looked at the >> results, winced and said, forget all those other options, you need two >> new knees. Yipee! And that's what I'm waiting for now. >> >> It there really a herbal treatment called P.E.A.? >> >> luv, Rog. >> >> >> On Friday, 5 April 2019, 23:58:54 BST, dave.mdv via Tech1 >> wrote: >> >> >> I din't suppose for a minute that I am the only sufferer! I have always >> had bent legs, cowboy style, and my GP suggested that I may have had >> rickets as a child in the war. Anyway, I have had X-rays, therapy, >> pills, physiotherapy, but nothing has helped. My surgery has stopped my >> free prescription of Ibruprofen, as I can buy it over the counter! The >> pharmacist recommended a roll-on herbal treatment and I am amazed to say >> that it has actually helped! Whoopee! It is call Pure Essential >> Articulations and cost nearly ?15. Volterol has two new versions, one >> for backs and muscles and one for joints (twice the strength) but they >> say do not use if you are taking other NSAIDs such as Ibruprofen! So >> that's me out. Good luck if you suffer as well! Cheers, Dave >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> > > From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Sun Apr 7 13:58:59 2019 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2019 19:58:59 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Boots In-Reply-To: <199ab7ed-bea4-1196-476e-f380d66d78b9@imixmics.co.uk> References: <748905929.28900091.1554574758868@mail.yahoo.com> <2E14BB1BE9824B40AE93234B02B04926@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> <199ab7ed-bea4-1196-476e-f380d66d78b9@imixmics.co.uk> Message-ID: Despite being American owned nowadays I am very impressed by their on-line service! I often order a big box of elderly lady's necessaries for my wife, pick a date, and it always arrives in our local Boots as requested. My mother worked for Jesse Boot in the 20s before he sponsored Nottingham University. As he was a staunch Catholic it was many years before you could buy condoms in Boots! Cheers, Dave From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Sun Apr 7 16:28:51 2019 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2019 22:28:51 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] and LT buses In-Reply-To: <1ea28198-d480-4559-6e15-692111d76e3a@btinternet.com> References: <882C3542B2764724812BBAE604EAF2A2@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> <515ff8a7-c32c-2981-bece-72be7ebf8b97@btinternet.com> <1ea28198-d480-4559-6e15-692111d76e3a@btinternet.com> Message-ID: I live in Hinchley Wood, near Esher, where the K3 single-decker starts and goes all the way to Roehampton Asda! So if I couldn't drive anymore I could go shopping! I used to take my daughter to the Assembly Rooms for ballet classes, it is now part of the huge Surbiton High School for Girls. They have bought a couple of empty sites in Hinchley Wood for sports fields, they have obviously got loads of cash! The 715 still runs but only from Kingston to Guildford. When I used it in the 70s it always amused me to see the 'traveller ladies' on the back seats, wrapping the heather they had picked in the woods, in kitchen foil leaving a real mess for the driver. They all got off in Hammersmith to sell their 'lucky heather' to the frightened public fearing a gypsies curse! Cheers, Dave From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Sun Apr 7 17:15:07 2019 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2019 23:15:07 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Pop Classics Message-ID: <05b25c59-044d-1e1c-3788-9b0c70093520@btinternet.com> I am disappointed that no one has comennted on my latest find, the 'Saranbade'. I think that it is terrific! There has obviously been a lot of money spent on it as full choirs aren't cheap! Generally, the 'classificational' of pop tracks don't always work but I still prefer the LSO version of The Who's 'Tommy' to the original. My 12" vinyl is one of my collectables! (when the grandchildren inherit!). Cheers, Dave From gary_critcher at yahoo.com Sun Apr 7 17:18:44 2019 From: gary_critcher at yahoo.com (Gary Critcher) Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2019 22:18:44 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Tech1] recordable DAB radio? References: <1874363377.29543962.1554675524845.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1874363377.29543962.1554675524845@mail.yahoo.com> Lads would anyone have a recommendation for a recordable DAB radio? I have a 5 year old Roberts one that has completely died on me. All the best, Gary C From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Sun Apr 7 18:13:43 2019 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2019 00:13:43 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Pop Classics typo In-Reply-To: <05b25c59-044d-1e1c-3788-9b0c70093520@btinternet.com> References: <05b25c59-044d-1e1c-3788-9b0c70093520@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <35c19966-2f73-6b5c-5697-cdfd43ba863f@btinternet.com> Of course I meant 'commented' and 'Sarabande', too quick typing! From pat.heigham at amps.net Mon Apr 8 04:57:12 2019 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2019 10:57:12 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] recordable DAB radio? In-Reply-To: <1874363377.29543962.1554675524845@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1874363377.29543962.1554675524845.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1874363377.29543962.1554675524845@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5cab1af9.1c69fb81.c3ca7.c926@mx.google.com> I?m sure that there are DAB models which while not having an internal record chip or card, may well have a line-out or headphone socket, which can be fed to an external recorder. I believe that there are some which do have an internal recorder ? have a look round the Internet. (Try Amazon) There?s a Roberts Blutune which seems remarkably expensive! Alternatively, a DVD recorder will pick up Radio channels off Freeview ? I?ve used that method for some while. That wouldn?t have worked for your Radio Berkshire (was it?) as I?m outside their coverage area. Best Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Gary Critcher via Tech1 Sent: 07 April 2019 23:19 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: [Tech1] recordable DAB radio? Lads would anyone have a recommendation for a recordable DAB radio? I have a 5 year old Roberts one that has completely died on me. All the best, Gary C -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vernon.dyer at btinternet.com Mon Apr 8 06:46:42 2019 From: vernon.dyer at btinternet.com (vernon.dyer) Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2019 12:46:42 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Pop Classics Message-ID: <1m7peb2sc0b3cqdcci3gws6p.1554724002738@email.android.com> I can't have you disappointed, Dave - yes I agree, it's great. It's just a shame that it's necessary to add a drum kit to so-called classical music to sell it to the wider public, I'm afraid.?VernSent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.-------- Original message --------From: "dave.mdv via Tech1" Date: 07/04/2019 23:15 (GMT+00:00) To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: [Tech1] Pop Classics I am disappointed that no one has comennted on my latest find, the 'Saranbade'. I think that it is terrific! There has obviously been a lot of money spent on it as full choirs aren't cheap! Generally, the 'classificational' of pop tracks don't always work but I still prefer the LSO version of The Who's 'Tommy' to the original. My 12" vinyl is one of my collectables! (when the grandchildren inherit!). Cheers, Dave-- Tech1 mailing listTech1 at tech-ops.co.ukhttp://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave at davesound.co.uk Mon Apr 8 08:32:04 2019 From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman) Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2019 14:32:04 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Painful knees In-Reply-To: <748905929.28900091.1554574758868@mail.yahoo.com> References: <748905929.28900091.1554574758868@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <57a1839f03dave@davesound.co.uk> In article <748905929.28900091.1554574758868 at mail.yahoo.com>, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 wrote: > Since when were Sound Men allowed to have painful knees? Don't you lot > sit down all day? It's us standing-up folk who get painful knees! Most > of my Camera colleagues suffered back problems, but I never did. You can't operate a boom while sitting down. Except for a pretty static situation. Where most of cameras would have a studio chair too. Of course the SS sits down. Apart from when shouting at production through the window. But then so does the senior cameraman on the Mole. ;-) -- *Always borrow money from pessimists - they don't expect it back * Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From dave at davesound.co.uk Mon Apr 8 08:35:07 2019 From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman) Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2019 14:35:07 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] recordable DAB radio? In-Reply-To: <1874363377.29543962.1554675524845@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1874363377.29543962.1554675524845.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1874363377.29543962.1554675524845@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <57a183e673dave@davesound.co.uk> In article <1874363377.29543962.1554675524845 at mail.yahoo.com>, Gary Critcher via Tech1 wrote: > Lads would anyone have a recommendation for a recordable DAB radio? > I have a 5 year old Roberts one that has completely died on me. > All the best, Do you mean a self contained single portable unit that allows you to record too? -- *Why is it called tourist season if we can't shoot at them? Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From bernie833 at gmail.com Mon Apr 8 08:57:00 2019 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2019 14:57:00 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: Inquiry In-Reply-To: <18603614290083210532621@RAJI-PC> References: <18603614290083210532621@RAJI-PC> Message-ID: <5da5c4db-039d-8cd8-52c0-cdf566ffc5cd@gmail.com> A new version of the Nigerian prince....... -------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: Inquiry Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2019 13:45:34 +0000 From: George Wallace Reply-To: walla.geoo1 at groupmail.com Organization: Retail Solutions Inc. To: bernie833 at gmail.com Hello I hope this email gets to you this time as this is my third time of sending it? I had tried without success to locate your contact address and telephone number. I resorted to communicate with you via email which is an unconventional means of relaying very important message. Accept my apology if you receive this message without prior notice. You were supposed to be notified about this inquiry through an officially posted mail. My name is George Wallace, I am an attorney and a Certified Private Investigator (CPI) accredited by the Private Investigation Bureau. We are presently conducting a very confidential investigation and recommendation exercise on behalf of West Merchant Bank, a financial investment arm of West Merchant Group. This investigation is in respect of a deceased customer who shares the same surname with you. Our findings refers to the circumstances surrounding his huge financial investments. However, you might be interested in knowing how I got your impressive information. I was able to achieve it after a very meticulous search online for a suitable successor to the deceased customer while tracing extended family ancestry records. I had decided to contact you before concluding my investigation. The private banking customer died intestate and there were no other successors in title to the huge financial investments he made at the bank. We were assigned to investigate and recommend a surviving relative to the deceased customer for his lodgment claim before it gets confiscated. The essence of this message is to request you to provide answers/comments on any or all of the four questions below: 1. Are you aware of any relative or extended family of yours born on the 17th of February 1946 who shares the same surname with you and whose last known location was the United Kingdom ? 2. Are you aware of any reasonable financial investments made by this person at West Merchant Bank, a financial investment arm of? West Merchant Group? 3. Could you establish beyond reasonable doubt your eligibility to assume status of successor in title to the deceased if you are legally recommended to the bank ? 4. Would you advance a substantial part of the fund as donations to charity if you are eventually approved by the bank as the lodgment beneficiary ? Your answers to the questions above would help us determine our recommendation to the bank. It would guide the financial institution towards legally appointing you to inherit this investment fund. Previously certified investigation by the bank had yielded negative results that there were no known relations to the deceased customer. Be advised that we are constrained at this point from giving you detailed information concerning the investigation process for security reasons. I would provide you with additional information on receipt of your response. ?Thank you for accommodating our inquiry. Yours Faithfully, George Wallace. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Mon Apr 8 09:06:40 2019 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2019 15:06:40 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: Inquiry In-Reply-To: <5da5c4db-039d-8cd8-52c0-cdf566ffc5cd@gmail.com> References: <18603614290083210532621@RAJI-PC> <5da5c4db-039d-8cd8-52c0-cdf566ffc5cd@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5cab5571.1c69fb81.2f0d3.584c@mx.google.com> Bernie, this should be forwarded to Action Fraud, as the wording is useful to them in warning unwary folk of scams. I get notifications via Neighbourhood Watch mailings. I think that Action Fraud can take steps via the Metropolitan Police to shut down the sender?s e-mail address. Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Bernard Newnham via Tech1 Sent: 08 April 2019 14:57 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: Inquiry A new version of the Nigerian prince....... -------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: Inquiry Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2019 13:45:34 +0000 From: George Wallace Reply-To: walla.geoo1 at groupmail.com Organization: Retail Solutions Inc. To: bernie833 at gmail.com Hello I hope this email gets to you this time as this is my third time of sending it? I had tried without success to locate your contact address and telephone number. I resorted to communicate with you via email which is an unconventional means of relaying very important message. Accept my apology if you receive this message without prior notice. You were supposed to be notified about this inquiry through an officially posted mail. My name is George Wallace, I am an attorney and a Certified Private Investigator (CPI) accredited by the Private Investigation Bureau. We are presently conducting a very confidential investigation and recommendation exercise on behalf of West Merchant Bank, a financial investment arm of West Merchant Group. This investigation is in respect of a deceased customer who shares the same surname with you. Our findings refers to the circumstances surrounding his huge financial investments. However, you might be interested in knowing how I got your impressive information. I was able to achieve it after a very meticulous search online for a suitable successor to the deceased customer while tracing extended family ancestry records. I had decided to contact you before concluding my investigation. The private banking customer died intestate and there were no other successors in title to the huge financial investments he made at the bank. We were assigned to investigate and recommend a surviving relative to the deceased customer for his lodgment claim before it gets confiscated. The essence of this message is to request you to provide answers/comments on any or all of the four questions below: 1. Are you aware of any relative or extended family of yours born on the 17th of February 1946 who shares the same surname with you and whose last known location was the United Kingdom ? 2. Are you aware of any reasonable financial investments made by this person at West Merchant Bank, a financial investment arm of? West Merchant Group? 3. Could you establish beyond reasonable doubt your eligibility to assume status of successor in title to the deceased if you are legally recommended to the bank ? 4. Would you advance a substantial part of the fund as donations to charity if you are eventually approved by the bank as the lodgment beneficiary ? Your answers to the questions above would help us determine our recommendation to the bank. It would guide the financial institution towards legally appointing you to inherit this investment fund. Previously certified investigation by the bank had yielded negative results that there were no known relations to the deceased customer. Be advised that we are constrained at this point from giving you detailed information concerning the investigation process for security reasons. I would provide you with additional information on receipt of your response. ?Thank you for accommodating our inquiry. Yours Faithfully, George Wallace. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hays.jfrank at gmail.com Mon Apr 8 09:50:15 2019 From: hays.jfrank at gmail.com (John Hays) Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2019 15:50:15 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] and LT buses In-Reply-To: <5154cd92-6796-ec6b-43a2-2ca76d9b744f@btinternet.com> References: <882C3542B2764724812BBAE604EAF2A2@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> <515ff8a7-c32c-2981-bece-72be7ebf8b97@btinternet.com> <1ea28198-d480-4559-6e15-692111d76e3a@btinternet.com> <5154cd92-6796-ec6b-43a2-2ca76d9b744f@btinternet.com> Message-ID: It?s amazing how many coincidences occur in our correspondence.I went to the primary school in Anerley and our first married flat was in Anerley Park. We went on to buy a new three bed roomed semi in High Wycombe for ?2395 ! Easy to get to TVC.Sadly I am unable to attend our meetings any more as a weak heart and lungs mean I have to breathe oxygen 24/7.Its called COPD and is severely restricting,having to be coupled to an oxygen generator.This is the result of smoking sixty years ago during national service. Just been talking to John Delaney? He has COPD but not as bad as me, also spoke to Julian Tolkien recently,he?s OK but Glynis his wife is poorly. Best wishes to all, John Hays On Mon, 8 Apr 2019 at 08:28, Hugh Sheppard wrote: > Dear John, > > Oh, the overlaps! My parents came from the Norwood area and lived in > Anerley before moving to Worcester Park where I turned up in 1937. After > the war years away (another story) we returned to find cabbages in neat > rows in the front garden of our bungalow. From the age of 9 or 10 I cycled > regularly to White Horse Lane and Eylewood Road SE 27 where cousins lived. > LT buses and trolleys were the occasional alternatives, with Morden via the > 93 as the tube station for London. My 1?d worth was on the 213 single > deck LT bus from North Cheam to New Malden and then 1d (?) on the 605 > trolley to school in Kingston. > > We moved to Kingston in the early 50s with a long standing memory of > walking most of the way home from White Horse Lane when 19 or so. I was on > a weekend off when based at Catterick on National Service where I had left > my bike. I'd gone with a cousin to the theatre and taken her back to WHL, > had a coffee and missed the last bus although it was only about 10.30pm. > Walking via Thornton Heath and Sutton, I was lucky to get a lift in Cheam > Village as far as Malden and walked again from there to Kingston. So about > 7 miles on foot, getting home at 01.00 or so. As a journey which I'd biked > often, I'd thought of the distance as much, much longer, down to my small > legs having originally pedalled much of it on a little Hercules. > > On reflection, it was a trolley I think I'd missed, with a connection to > the 213 in Sutton; would that have been right? > > Halcyon days. > > Best wishes > > Hugh > On 07-Apr-19 9:50 PM, John Hays wrote: > > Yes Hugh, I remember your bus routes well althoug I was centred in the > Crystal Palace area and went to school on a short wheelbase 654 trollybus. > As my school was in Penge one could buy a threehalfpenny transfer ticket to > cover the second half of the journey.I was prompted to dig out my ancient > bus ABCs dating right back to 1948 when new RTs were we?re becoming common, > and there were many trams still running in south London.It used to cost one > penny to travel on a 78 tram from Norwood to Victoria for some train > spotting.Happy days! Best wishes to all. John Hays. > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From roybailey100 at gmail.com Mon Apr 8 09:56:21 2019 From: roybailey100 at gmail.com (Roy Bailey) Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2019 15:56:21 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: Inquiry In-Reply-To: <5cab5571.1c69fb81.2f0d3.584c@mx.google.com> References: <18603614290083210532621@RAJI-PC> <5da5c4db-039d-8cd8-52c0-cdf566ffc5cd@gmail.com> <5cab5571.1c69fb81.2f0d3.584c@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Some 25 years ago the Mother of one of my daughter's ex-boyfriends received a somewhat similar letter from the USA which turned out to be real - she inherited ?110,000 (?215k today) from a deceased American relative of whom she had no knowledge whatsoever. So, good American Princes do exist!! Roy On Mon, 8 Apr 2019 at 15:07, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > Bernie, this should be forwarded to Action Fraud, as the wording is useful > to them in warning unwary folk of scams. > > I get notifications via Neighbourhood Watch mailings. > > I think that Action Fraud can take steps via the Metropolitan Police to > shut down the sender?s e-mail address. > > Pat > > > > Sent from Mail for > Windows 10 > > > > *From: *Bernard Newnham via Tech1 > *Sent: *08 April 2019 14:57 > *To: *tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > *Subject: *[Tech1] Fwd: Inquiry > > > > A new version of the Nigerian prince....... > > > > -------- Forwarded Message -------- > > *Subject: * > > Inquiry > > *Date: * > > Mon, 8 Apr 2019 13:45:34 +0000 > > *From: * > > George Wallace > > *Reply-To: * > > walla.geoo1 at groupmail.com > > *Organization: * > > Retail Solutions Inc. > > *To: * > > bernie833 at gmail.com > > > > Hello > > > > I hope this email gets to you this time as this is my third time of > sending it? I had tried without success to locate your contact address and > telephone number. I resorted to communicate with you via email which is an > unconventional means of relaying very important message. Accept my apology > if you receive this message without prior notice. You were supposed to be > notified about this inquiry through an officially posted mail. > > > > My name is George Wallace, I am an attorney and a Certified Private > Investigator (CPI) accredited by the Private Investigation Bureau. We are > presently conducting a very confidential investigation and recommendation > exercise on behalf of West Merchant Bank, a financial investment arm of > West Merchant Group. This investigation is in respect of a deceased > customer who shares the same surname with you. Our findings refers to the > circumstances surrounding his huge financial investments. > > > > However, you might be interested in knowing how I got your impressive > information. I was able to achieve it after a very meticulous search online > for a suitable successor to the deceased customer while tracing extended > family ancestry records. I had decided to contact you before concluding my > investigation. > > > > The private banking customer died intestate and there were no other > successors in title to the huge financial investments he made at the bank. > We were assigned to investigate and recommend a surviving relative to the > deceased customer for his lodgment claim before it gets confiscated. > > > > The essence of this message is to request you to provide answers/comments > on any or all of the four questions below: > > > > 1. Are you aware of any relative or extended family of yours born on the > 17th of February 1946 who shares the same surname with you and whose last > known location was the United Kingdom ? > > > > 2. Are you aware of any reasonable financial investments made by this > person at West Merchant Bank, a financial investment arm of West Merchant > Group? > > > > 3. Could you establish beyond reasonable doubt your eligibility to assume > status of successor in title to the deceased if you are legally recommended > to the bank ? > > > > 4. Would you advance a substantial part of the fund as donations to > charity if you are eventually approved by the bank as the lodgment > beneficiary ? > > > > Your answers to the questions above would help us determine our > recommendation to the bank. It would guide the financial institution > towards legally appointing you to inherit this investment fund. Previously > certified investigation by the bank had yielded negative results that there > were no known relations to the deceased customer. > > > > Be advised that we are constrained at this point from giving you detailed > information concerning the investigation process for security reasons. > > > > I would provide you with additional information on receipt of your > response. > > > Thank you for accommodating our inquiry. > > > > Yours Faithfully, > > George Wallace. > > > > > Virus-free. > www.avast.com > > <#m_5340347615270774746_m_-6931646418283089882_DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ian.norman at armoor.co.uk Mon Apr 8 10:11:09 2019 From: ian.norman at armoor.co.uk (ian.norman at armoor.co.uk) Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2019 16:11:09 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: Inquiry In-Reply-To: References: <18603614290083210532621@RAJI-PC> <5da5c4db-039d-8cd8-52c0-cdf566ffc5cd@gmail.com> <5cab5571.1c69fb81.2f0d3.584c@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <4b6eaa9b-9f6c-0dc3-e468-d5848d71e7c0@armoor.plus.com> My ex-wife received a real inheritance trace some years ago, while we were still married. It was by letter, not email and sent to all her relatives as they were equally entitled to a share of the alas small sum. However, if you do receive millions from your deceased relative, don't be shy to share it! I have an old barn, I'd like to convert. Best regards Ian Norman Email: mailto:ian.norman at armoor.co.uk Telephone: 01643 888181 On 08/04/2019 15:56, Roy Bailey via Tech1 wrote: > Some 25 years ago the Mother of one of my daughter's ex-boyfriends > received a somewhat similar letter from the USA which turned out to be > real - she inherited ?110,000 (?215k today) from a deceased American > relative of whom she had no knowledge whatsoever.? So, good American > Princes do exist!! > > Roy > > On Mon, 8 Apr 2019 at 15:07, patheigham via Tech1 > wrote: > > Bernie, this should be forwarded to Action Fraud, as the wording is > useful to them in warning unwary folk of scams.____ > > I get notifications via Neighbourhood Watch mailings.____ > > I think that Action Fraud can take steps via the Metropolitan Police > to shut down the sender?s e-mail address.____ > > Pat > > __ __ > > Sent from Mail for > Windows 10 > > __ __ > > *From: *Bernard Newnham via Tech1 > *Sent: *08 April 2019 14:57 > *To: *tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > *Subject: *[Tech1] Fwd: Inquiry > > __ __ > > A new version of the Nigerian prince.......____ > > > > -------- Forwarded Message -------- ____ > > *Subject: ____* > > > > Inquiry____ > > *Date: ____* > > > > Mon, 8 Apr 2019 13:45:34 +0000____ > > *From: ____* > > > > George Wallace > ____ > > *Reply-To: ____* > > > > walla.geoo1 at groupmail.com ____ > > *Organization: ____* > > > > Retail Solutions Inc.____ > > *To: ____* > > > > bernie833 at gmail.com ____ > > > > Hello____ > > __ __ > > I hope this email gets to you this time as this is my third time of > sending it? I had tried without success to locate your contact > address and telephone number. I resorted to communicate with you via > email which is an unconventional means of relaying very important > message. Accept my apology if you receive this message without prior > notice. You were supposed to be notified about this inquiry through > an officially posted mail.____ > > __ __ > > My name is George Wallace, I am an attorney and a Certified Private > Investigator (CPI) accredited by the Private Investigation Bureau. > We are presently conducting a very confidential investigation and > recommendation exercise on behalf of West Merchant Bank, a financial > investment arm of West Merchant Group. This investigation is in > respect of a deceased customer who shares the same surname with you. > Our findings refers to the circumstances surrounding his huge > financial investments.____ > > __ __ > > However, you might be interested in knowing how I got your > impressive information. I was able to achieve it after a very > meticulous search online for a suitable successor to the deceased > customer while tracing extended family ancestry records. I had > decided to contact you before concluding my investigation.____ > > __ __ > > The private banking customer died intestate and there were no other > successors in title to the huge financial investments he made at the > bank. We were assigned to investigate and recommend a surviving > relative to the deceased customer for his lodgment claim before it > gets confiscated.____ > > __ __ > > The essence of this message is to request you to provide > answers/comments on any or all of the four questions below:____ > > __ __ > > 1. Are you aware of any relative or extended family of yours born on > the 17th of February 1946 who shares the same surname with you and > whose last known location was the United Kingdom ?____ > > __ __ > > 2. Are you aware of any reasonable financial investments made by > this person at West Merchant Bank, a financial investment arm of > West Merchant Group?____ > > __ __ > > 3. Could you establish beyond reasonable doubt your eligibility to > assume status of successor in title to the deceased if you are > legally recommended to the bank ?____ > > __ __ > > 4. Would you advance a substantial part of the fund as donations to > charity if you are eventually approved by the bank as the lodgment > beneficiary ?____ > > __ __ > > Your answers to the questions above would help us determine our > recommendation to the bank. It would guide the financial institution > towards legally appointing you to inherit this investment fund. > Previously certified investigation by the bank had yielded negative > results that there were no known relations to the deceased customer.____ > > __ __ > > Be advised that we are constrained at this point from giving you > detailed information concerning the investigation process for > security reasons.____ > > __ __ > > I would provide you with additional information on receipt of your > response.____ > > > ?Thank you for accommodating our inquiry.____ > > __ __ > > Yours Faithfully,____ > > George Wallace.____ > > __ __ > > > > Virus-free. www.avast.com > > > > <#m_5340347615270774746_m_-6931646418283089882_DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > From dave at davesound.co.uk Mon Apr 8 10:25:47 2019 From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman) Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2019 16:25:47 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: Inquiry In-Reply-To: <4b6eaa9b-9f6c-0dc3-e468-d5848d71e7c0@armoor.plus.com> References: <18603614290083210532621@RAJI-PC> <5da5c4db-039d-8cd8-52c0-cdf566ffc5cd@gmail.com> <5cab5571.1c69fb81.2f0d3.584c@mx.google.com> <4b6eaa9b-9f6c-0dc3-e468-d5848d71e7c0@armoor.plus.com> Message-ID: <57a18e0807dave@davesound.co.uk> In article <4b6eaa9b-9f6c-0dc3-e468-d5848d71e7c0 at armoor.plus.com>, ian.norman--- via Tech1 wrote: > My ex-wife received a real inheritance trace some years ago, while we > were still married. > It was by letter, not email and sent to all her relatives as they were > equally entitled to a share of the alas small sum. My next door neighbour - an 85 year old widow - received a letter from a solicitor (allegedly) in Nigeria. Saying she had inherited from a long lost cousin. But wanting money up front to process her claim. That is the usual giveaway. When you have to pay before 'gaining'. She was convinced it was genuine. Being a non online type. I did tell her it was very unlikely, and to proceed with caution. But she never mentioned it again. -- *IF A PARSLEY FARMER IS SUED, CAN THEY GARNISH HIS WAGES? Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From waresound at msn.com Mon Apr 8 11:24:39 2019 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2019 16:24:39 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: Inquiry In-Reply-To: References: <18603614290083210532621@RAJI-PC> <5da5c4db-039d-8cd8-52c0-cdf566ffc5cd@gmail.com> <5cab5571.1c69fb81.2f0d3.584c@mx.google.com>, Message-ID: And it can work the other way round. We had a reclusive old lady next door to us who had lived in the same house, set in 3.5 acres of land in an up-market residential avenue, for over sixty years. She had never married, and had originally inherited the house from whichever parent had survived the longest. Then recently she passed away herself, and the only relative with a claim to inherit from her was a distant nephew who had lived most of his life in Australia. He?d never met met her, but nevertheless got a letter out of the blue telling him about the inheritance. It went through, and he sold it to Berkeley Homes for ?1.25 million. Never met her, never saw the house, never came back to UK, but woke up that much richer! Berkeley did well too: they built and sold three seven bed houses that sold for just shy of ?1.75m each. But of course, when you get those phishing emails, just use your noddle and don?t be taken in by them. The poor spelling and grammar is a deliberate ploy to filter the intelligent recipients out and let only the naive through. Nick. Sent from my iPad On 8 Apr 2019, at 15:57, Roy Bailey via Tech1 > wrote: Some 25 years ago the Mother of one of my daughter's ex-boyfriends received a somewhat similar letter from the USA which turned out to be real - she inherited ?110,000 (?215k today) from a deceased American relative of whom she had no knowledge whatsoever. So, good American Princes do exist!! Roy -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The hire company gave me an antique ticket for me to copy (attached) and the crew arrived with the proper clippie?s punch machine and ticket clip board. (Mine host included them in the sit-down lunch) & they wound the destination board to read 140 (2x 70!) Great Day! Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: John Hays via Tech1 Sent: 08 April 2019 15:50 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] and LT buses Just been talking to John Delaney? --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: NVH Bus Ticket Front.pub Type: application/octet-stream Size: 86016 bytes Desc: not available URL: From ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com Mon Apr 8 17:04:12 2019 From: ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com (Albert Barber) Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2019 23:04:12 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] and LT buses In-Reply-To: <5cabbff8.1c69fb81.c6c88.1f83@mx.google.com> References: <882C3542B2764724812BBAE604EAF2A2@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> <515ff8a7-c32c-2981-bece-72be7ebf8b97@btinternet.com> <1ea28198-d480-4559-6e15-692111d76e3a@btinternet.com> <5154cd92-6796-ec6b-43a2-2ca76d9b744f@btinternet.com> <5cabbff8.1c69fb81.c6c88.1f83@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Does anyone have a 16mm split spool 400 foot they could sell me? Best to all Albert Barber > On 8 Apr 2019, at 22:41, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > > Glad to know that John Delany is still with us (if somewhat poorly). > Speaking of buses ? Good friends of mine in Somerset hired an open top classic double decker for their joint 70th birthday party to treat guests to a ?mystery tour?. This was quite fun as the route was not normal for a double decker and the trees were not cut back resulting in the top deck passengers being whacked in the face by overhanging branches! > The hire company gave me an antique ticket for me to copy (attached) and the crew arrived with the proper clippie?s punch machine and ticket clip board. (Mine host included them in the sit-down lunch) & they wound the destination board to read 140 (2x 70!) > Great Day! > Pat > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > From: John Hays via Tech1 > Sent: 08 April 2019 15:50 > To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > Subject: Re: [Tech1] and LT buses > > > Just been talking to John Delaney? > > > Virus-free. www.avast.com -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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This was quite fun as the route was not normal for a > double decker and the trees were not cut back resulting in the top deck > passengers being whacked in the face by overhanging branches! > > The hire company gave me an antique ticket for me to copy (attached) and > the crew arrived with the proper clippie?s punch machine and ticket clip > board. (Mine host included them in the sit-down lunch) & they wound the > destination board to read 140 (2x 70!) > > Great Day! > > Pat > > > > Sent from Mail for > Windows 10 > > > > *From: *John Hays via Tech1 > *Sent: *08 April 2019 15:50 > *To: *tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > *Subject: *Re: [Tech1] and LT buses > > > > > > Just been talking to John Delaney? > > > > > Virus-free. > www.avast.com > > <#m_-6233729393922947858_DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From waresound at msn.com Tue Apr 9 06:26:19 2019 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2019 11:26:19 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] and LT buses In-Reply-To: References: <882C3542B2764724812BBAE604EAF2A2@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> <515ff8a7-c32c-2981-bece-72be7ebf8b97@btinternet.com> <1ea28198-d480-4559-6e15-692111d76e3a@btinternet.com>, Message-ID: Before I got my first car I regularly commuted on the 715 from Guildford to Shepherds Bush, and it was usual after a late session on the fourth floor, to go home on the last bus of the day. One night as we got to the Fairmile at Cobham, the first rural opportunity, I asked the driver if he?d mind stopping and waiting while I had a pee in the bushes. To my relief (literally) he said: ?Good idea, I need one too!? It became pretty much routine after that. I?ve never forgotten the night we arrived at Guildford bus station, and the only other passenger, who must have been asleep most of the way, asked the driver how to get to Priory Street. The driver said he?d always lived in Guildford, but didn?t know of a Priory Street, did he mean Friary Street? ?Guildford?? The guy exclaimed. ?I thought this bus was going to Hertford!? Nick. Sent from my iPad On 7 Apr 2019, at 22:29, dave.mdv via Tech1 > wrote: [snip] The 715 still runs but only from Kingston to Guildford. When I used it in the 70s it always amused me to see the 'traveller ladies' on the back seats, wrapping the heather they had picked in the woods, in kitchen foil leaving a real mess for the driver. They all got off in Hammersmith to sell their 'lucky heather' to the frightened public fearing a gypsies curse! 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L -- --------------------------------------------------- Some people draw conclusions like curtains. --------------------------------------------------- Louis Barfe - http://cheeseford.net From waresound at msn.com Tue Apr 9 16:28:21 2019 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2019 21:28:21 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] recordable DAB radio? In-Reply-To: <97d877bf-2821-e7ce-1b66-32f5ad7bd04b@louisbarfe.com> References: <1874363377.29543962.1554675524845.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1874363377.29543962.1554675524845@mail.yahoo.com> <57a183e673dave@davesound.co.uk>, <97d877bf-2821-e7ce-1b66-32f5ad7bd04b@louisbarfe.com> Message-ID: Search ?portable DAB radio with recording function? on Amazon. Nick. Sent from my iPad On 9 Apr 2019, at 13:29, Louis Barfe via Tech1 > wrote: On 08/04/2019 14:35, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: Do you mean a self contained single portable unit that allows you to record too? I think that's exactly what Gary means. A friend had a Pure Evoke 3 with a slot for an SD card in the front, but I think they're long since discontinued. The Roberts might be discontinued too. L -- --------------------------------------------------- Some people draw conclusions like curtains. --------------------------------------------------- Louis Barfe - http://cheeseford.net -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave at davesound.co.uk Tue Apr 9 18:43:04 2019 From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2019 00:43:04 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] recordable DAB radio? In-Reply-To: <97d877bf-2821-e7ce-1b66-32f5ad7bd04b@louisbarfe.com> References: <1874363377.29543962.1554675524845.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1874363377.29543962.1554675524845@mail.yahoo.com> <57a183e673dave@davesound.co.uk> <97d877bf-2821-e7ce-1b66-32f5ad7bd04b@louisbarfe.com> Message-ID: <57a23f6560dave@davesound.co.uk> In article <97d877bf-2821-e7ce-1b66-32f5ad7bd04b at louisbarfe.com>, Louis Barfe via Tech1 wrote: > On 08/04/2019 14:35, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: > > > > Do you mean a self contained single portable unit that allows you to > > record too? > > > I think that's exactly what Gary means. A friend had a Pure Evoke 3 with > a slot for an SD card in the front, but I think they're long since > discontinued. The Roberts might be discontinued too. Ah - right. Never actually seen one. I can record to SD card on the car radio. Can be handy if a journey finishes before a play on R4. At home, I usually use the PVR to record radio. Once in a while. Also means I can find it again easily. -- *Go the extra mile. It makes your boss look like an incompetent slacker * Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From teateatone2 at gmail.com Wed Apr 10 04:14:49 2019 From: teateatone2 at gmail.com (Tony Grant) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2019 10:14:49 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Mains failure safety lights Message-ID: I have searched shops everywhere I've travelled in the past 6 months or so looking for the safety lights you plug into a 13A socket which switch themselves on if the power fails, nowhere to be found. Of course, I'd seen them online, but wanted to actually see one and speak to a knowledgable assistant about their efficiency. Huh. No wonder the high street is dying. So, I'm now looking at a set of three 'Nite-safe maxi rechargeable night lights' on Amazon which appear to satisfy my needs. But before I part with money, does anyone here have any thoughts on the matter, or even bought some for themselves? 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Chris Woolf On 10/04/2019 10:14, Tony Grant via Tech1 wrote: > I have searched shops everywhere I've travelled in the past 6 months > or so looking for the safety lights you plug into a 13A socket which > switch themselves on if the power fails, nowhere to be found. > > Of course, I'd seen them online, but wanted to actually see one and > speak to a knowledgable assistant about their efficiency. Huh. No > wonder the high street is dying. So, I'm now looking at a set of three > 'Nite-safe maxi rechargeable night lights' on Amazon which appear to > satisfy my needs. But before I part with money, does anyone here have > any thoughts on the matter, or even bought some for themselves? > > I await another illuminating discussion, > > TeaTeaFN - Tony > --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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No wonder the high street is dying. So, I'm now looking at a set of three 'Nite-safe maxi rechargeable night lights' on Amazon which appear to satisfy my needs. But before I part with money, does anyone here have any thoughts on the matter, or even bought some for themselves? I await another illuminating discussion, TeaTeaFN - Tony ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alanaudio at me.com Wed Apr 10 04:33:44 2019 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2019 10:33:44 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Mains failure safety lights In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I live in a small village near Banbury and our power arrives via overhead cables, so we are prone to power outages during stormy weather. I bought one of these rechargeable safety lights. Unfortunately it's no longer stocked by the supplier I used, but I would imagine that similar units can be found on-line. This particular one plugs into a 13A socket, stays off during the day and illuminates at a low level while it is dark, but if the power fails, it automatically turns up to full power. As it's in the form of a removable torch, it can simply be lifted out of the cradle and used to find your proper torch. It runs for about three hours at pretty decent brightness and automatically turns off and recharges once the power is restored. I've had it for about seven years now and the battery is still OK. Alan Taylor On 10 Apr 2019, at 10 Apr . 10:14, Tony Grant via Tech1 wrote: > I have searched shops everywhere I've travelled in the past 6 months or so looking for the safety lights you plug into a 13A socket which switch themselves on if the power fails, nowhere to be found. > > Of course, I'd seen them online, but wanted to actually see one and speak to a knowledgable assistant about their efficiency. Huh. No wonder the high street is dying. So, I'm now looking at a set of three 'Nite-safe maxi rechargeable night lights' on Amazon which appear to satisfy my needs. But before I part with money, does anyone here have any thoughts on the matter, or even bought some for themselves? > > I await another illuminating discussion, > > TeaTeaFN - Tony > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave at davesound.co.uk Wed Apr 10 08:47:22 2019 From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2019 14:47:22 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Mains failure safety lights In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <57a28cb177dave@davesound.co.uk> In article , Tony Grant via Tech1 wrote: > I have searched shops everywhere I've travelled in the past 6 months or > so looking for the safety lights you plug into a 13A socket which switch > themselves on if the power fails, nowhere to be found. > Of course, I'd seen them online, but wanted to actually see one and > speak to a knowledgable assistant about their efficiency. Huh. No wonder > the high street is dying. So, I'm now looking at a set of three > 'Nite-safe maxi rechargeable night lights' on Amazon which appear to > satisfy my needs. But before I part with money, does anyone here have > any thoughts on the matter, or even bought some for themselves? > I await another illuminating discussion, Can't really help, but hope they are better than the studio emergency lights at TC - when the power failed on BBC2 opening night. ;-) -- *Learn from your parents' mistakes - use birth control. Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From teateatone2 at gmail.com Wed Apr 10 15:07:59 2019 From: teateatone2 at gmail.com (Tony Grant) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2019 21:07:59 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Mains failure safety lights In-Reply-To: <57a28cb177dave@davesound.co.uk> References: <57a28cb177dave@davesound.co.uk> Message-ID: Thanks to all so far, I can see I didn't fully outline why I wanted something like this. It's only domestic, but we live out in the country in N. Wales, and occasionally suffer a power outage, since all elec distribution is by overhead cabling, and being in Snowdonia we can get wind gusts of 80mph - flish, flash, black. And our 3 yr old granddaughter doesn't like it to be left completely in the dark during the night, if she's with us we leave one of the lights on in the utility room, and we don't want her frightened should the power go off. Having looked at several lights on Amazon, the ones suggested by Terry don't have a very good write-up, although they appear to be the best-selling. Thus, I thought that by shelling out a bit more I might get a more reliable product. And as I really don't want to spend any more of my life messing around with wiring, recabling/pluggery, Clive's thoughts don't encourage me (although with my thanks, and I'm sure Google translate could provide several amusing helpful hints for dealing with them). And I thank you Keith for the kind offer of borrowing some, but the return trip to London would cost more than the ones I'm eyeing up on Amazon, as well as having to drink beer and eat pub grub whilst listening to some disintegrating duffers discussing disgusting details during dinner. What? Yes, it's dinner, just like when I was brought up in N. Ireland, dinner is after breakfast, in the middle of the day, then at the end of the day you have tea and/or supper. See, you effete Southerners learn something everyday on this forum! OK, break's over, back on your heads, TeaTeaFN - Tony On Wed, Apr 10, 2019 at 2:57 PM Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: > In article > , > Tony Grant via Tech1 wrote: > > I have searched shops everywhere I've travelled in the past 6 months or > > so looking for the safety lights you plug into a 13A socket which switch > > themselves on if the power fails, nowhere to be found. > > > Of course, I'd seen them online, but wanted to actually see one and > > speak to a knowledgable assistant about their efficiency. Huh. No wonder > > the high street is dying. So, I'm now looking at a set of three > > 'Nite-safe maxi rechargeable night lights' on Amazon which appear to > > satisfy my needs. But before I part with money, does anyone here have > > any thoughts on the matter, or even bought some for themselves? > > > I await another illuminating discussion, > > Can't really help, but hope they are better than the studio emergency > lights at TC - when the power failed on BBC2 opening night. ;-) > > -- > *Learn from your parents' mistakes - use birth control. > > Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From geoffletch at gmail.com Wed Apr 10 15:27:46 2019 From: geoffletch at gmail.com (Geoff Fletcher) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2019 21:27:46 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Mains failure safety lights In-Reply-To: References: <57a28cb177dave@davesound.co.uk> Message-ID: I think you go to the wrong pubs in London Tony! Also, buy yourself a Honda genny to take care of your power outages? Geoff F On Wed, 10 Apr 2019 at 21:08, Tony Grant via Tech1 wrote: > Thanks to all so far, I can see I didn't fully outline why I wanted > something like this. It's only domestic, but we live out in the country in > N. Wales, and occasionally suffer a power outage, since all elec > distribution is by overhead cabling, and being in Snowdonia we can get wind > gusts of 80mph - flish, flash, black. And our 3 yr old granddaughter > doesn't like it to be left completely in the dark during the night, if > she's with us we leave one of the lights on in the utility room, and we > don't want her frightened should the power go off. > > Having looked at several lights on Amazon, the ones suggested by Terry > don't have a very good write-up, although they appear to be the > best-selling. Thus, I thought that by shelling out a bit more I might get a > more reliable product. And as I really don't want to spend any more of my > life messing around with wiring, recabling/pluggery, Clive's thoughts don't > encourage me (although with my thanks, and I'm sure Google translate could > provide several amusing helpful hints for dealing with them). > > And I thank you Keith for the kind offer of borrowing some, but the return > trip to London would cost more than the ones I'm eyeing up on Amazon, as > well as having to drink beer and eat pub grub whilst listening to some > disintegrating duffers discussing disgusting details during dinner. What? > Yes, it's dinner, just like when I was brought up in N. Ireland, dinner is > after breakfast, in the middle of the day, then at the end of the day you > have tea and/or supper. See, you effete Southerners learn something > everyday on this forum! > > OK, break's over, back on your heads, > > TeaTeaFN - Tony > > On Wed, Apr 10, 2019 at 2:57 PM Dave Plowman via Tech1 < > tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote: > >> In article >> , >> Tony Grant via Tech1 wrote: >> > I have searched shops everywhere I've travelled in the past 6 months or >> > so looking for the safety lights you plug into a 13A socket which switch >> > themselves on if the power fails, nowhere to be found. >> >> > Of course, I'd seen them online, but wanted to actually see one and >> > speak to a knowledgable assistant about their efficiency. Huh. No wonder >> > the high street is dying. So, I'm now looking at a set of three >> > 'Nite-safe maxi rechargeable night lights' on Amazon which appear to >> > satisfy my needs. But before I part with money, does anyone here have >> > any thoughts on the matter, or even bought some for themselves? >> >> > I await another illuminating discussion, >> >> Can't really help, but hope they are better than the studio emergency >> lights at TC - when the power failed on BBC2 opening night. ;-) >> >> -- >> *Learn from your parents' mistakes - use birth control. >> >> Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 >> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alawrance1 at me.com Wed Apr 10 16:09:12 2019 From: alawrance1 at me.com (Alasdair Lawrance) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2019 22:09:12 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Mains failure safety lights In-Reply-To: References: <57a28cb177dave@davesound.co.uk> Message-ID: <710D4C6A-24B3-48EB-988C-EE2A5FF38442@me.com> We have the same problem of overhead wires in wildest Warwickshire - I just keep a few torches around the place. Doesn?t solve the situation with your little grand-daughter unless she?s remarkably dextrous. We can cook with Calor, and the heating is oil, but of course you need mains to make the boiler & pump work. I think a battery + inverter could work well for that. Alasdair Sent from my iPad Pro. > On 10 Apr 2019, at 21:27, Geoff Fletcher via Tech1 wrote: > > I think you go to the wrong pubs in London Tony! Also, buy yourself a Honda genny to take care of your power outages? > Geoff F > >> On Wed, 10 Apr 2019 at 21:08, Tony Grant via Tech1 wrote: >> Thanks to all so far, I can see I didn't fully outline why I wanted something like this. It's only domestic, but we live out in the country in N. Wales, and occasionally suffer a power outage, since all elec distribution is by overhead cabling, and being in Snowdonia we can get wind gusts of 80mph - flish, flash, black. And our 3 yr old granddaughter doesn't like it to be left completely in the dark during the night, if she's with us we leave one of the lights on in the utility room, and we don't want her frightened should the power go off. >> >> Having looked at several lights on Amazon, the ones suggested by Terry don't have a very good write-up, although they appear to be the best-selling. Thus, I thought that by shelling out a bit more I might get a more reliable product. And as I really don't want to spend any more of my life messing around with wiring, recabling/pluggery, Clive's thoughts don't encourage me (although with my thanks, and I'm sure Google translate could provide several amusing helpful hints for dealing with them). >> >> And I thank you Keith for the kind offer of borrowing some, but the return trip to London would cost more than the ones I'm eyeing up on Amazon, as well as having to drink beer and eat pub grub whilst listening to some disintegrating duffers discussing disgusting details during dinner. What? Yes, it's dinner, just like when I was brought up in N. Ireland, dinner is after breakfast, in the middle of the day, then at the end of the day you have tea and/or supper. See, you effete Southerners learn something everyday on this forum! >> >> OK, break's over, back on your heads, >> >> TeaTeaFN - Tony >> >>> On Wed, Apr 10, 2019 at 2:57 PM Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: >>> In article >>> , >>> Tony Grant via Tech1 wrote: >>> > I have searched shops everywhere I've travelled in the past 6 months or >>> > so looking for the safety lights you plug into a 13A socket which switch >>> > themselves on if the power fails, nowhere to be found. >>> >>> > Of course, I'd seen them online, but wanted to actually see one and >>> > speak to a knowledgable assistant about their efficiency. Huh. No wonder >>> > the high street is dying. So, I'm now looking at a set of three >>> > 'Nite-safe maxi rechargeable night lights' on Amazon which appear to >>> > satisfy my needs. But before I part with money, does anyone here have >>> > any thoughts on the matter, or even bought some for themselves? >>> >>> > I await another illuminating discussion, >>> >>> Can't really help, but hope they are better than the studio emergency >>> lights at TC - when the power failed on BBC2 opening night. ;-) >>> >>> -- >>> *Learn from your parents' mistakes - use birth control. >>> >>> Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From relong at btinternet.com Wed Apr 10 17:10:27 2019 From: relong at btinternet.com (Roger E Long) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2019 23:10:27 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Mains failure safety lights In-Reply-To: <710D4C6A-24B3-48EB-988C-EE2A5FF38442@me.com> References: <57a28cb177dave@davesound.co.uk> <710D4C6A-24B3-48EB-988C-EE2A5FF38442@me.com> Message-ID: We live in the isolated Cotswolds and suffer power outs regularly We have an oil Aga, 9kW log burner and LPG hob Western Power was here today felling a tree that could threaten our overhead supply Li ion night lights would be a good idea Honda 2kW Genny needs complex switch gear for seamless operation . Roger > On 10 Apr 2019, at 22:09, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 wrote: > > We have the same problem of overhead wires in wildest Warwickshire - I just keep a few torches around the place. Doesn?t solve the situation with your little grand-daughter unless she?s remarkably dextrous. > > We can cook with Calor, and the heating is oil, but of course you need mains to make the boiler & pump work. I think a battery + inverter could work well for that. > > Alasdair > > Sent from my iPad Pro. > > On 10 Apr 2019, at 21:27, Geoff Fletcher via Tech1 > wrote: > >> I think you go to the wrong pubs in London Tony! Also, buy yourself a Honda genny to take care of your power outages? >> Geoff F >> >> On Wed, 10 Apr 2019 at 21:08, Tony Grant via Tech1 > wrote: >> Thanks to all so far, I can see I didn't fully outline why I wanted something like this. It's only domestic, but we live out in the country in N. Wales, and occasionally suffer a power outage, since all elec distribution is by overhead cabling, and being in Snowdonia we can get wind gusts of 80mph - flish, flash, black. And our 3 yr old granddaughter doesn't like it to be left completely in the dark during the night, if she's with us we leave one of the lights on in the utility room, and we don't want her frightened should the power go off. >> >> Having looked at several lights on Amazon, the ones suggested by Terry don't have a very good write-up, although they appear to be the best-selling. Thus, I thought that by shelling out a bit more I might get a more reliable product. And as I really don't want to spend any more of my life messing around with wiring, recabling/pluggery, Clive's thoughts don't encourage me (although with my thanks, and I'm sure Google translate could provide several amusing helpful hints for dealing with them). >> >> And I thank you Keith for the kind offer of borrowing some, but the return trip to London would cost more than the ones I'm eyeing up on Amazon, as well as having to drink beer and eat pub grub whilst listening to some disintegrating duffers discussing disgusting details during dinner. What? Yes, it's dinner, just like when I was brought up in N. Ireland, dinner is after breakfast, in the middle of the day, then at the end of the day you have tea and/or supper. See, you effete Southerners learn something everyday on this forum! >> >> OK, break's over, back on your heads, >> >> TeaTeaFN - Tony >> >> On Wed, Apr 10, 2019 at 2:57 PM Dave Plowman via Tech1 > wrote: >> In article >> >, >> Tony Grant via Tech1 > wrote: >> > I have searched shops everywhere I've travelled in the past 6 months or >> > so looking for the safety lights you plug into a 13A socket which switch >> > themselves on if the power fails, nowhere to be found. >> >> > Of course, I'd seen them online, but wanted to actually see one and >> > speak to a knowledgable assistant about their efficiency. Huh. No wonder >> > the high street is dying. So, I'm now looking at a set of three >> > 'Nite-safe maxi rechargeable night lights' on Amazon which appear to >> > satisfy my needs. But before I part with money, does anyone here have >> > any thoughts on the matter, or even bought some for themselves? >> >> > I await another illuminating discussion, >> >> Can't really help, but hope they are better than the studio emergency >> lights at TC - when the power failed on BBC2 opening night. ;-) >> >> -- >> *Learn from your parents' mistakes - use birth control. >> >> Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 >> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jpn at imixmics.co.uk Thu Apr 11 02:16:17 2019 From: jpn at imixmics.co.uk (John Nottage) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2019 08:16:17 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] [SPAM?] Re: Mains failure safety lights In-Reply-To: References: <57a28cb177dave@davesound.co.uk> <710D4C6A-24B3-48EB-988C-EE2A5FF38442@me.com> Message-ID: <5f4b546a-18ae-4bcb-c188-b58e3f09f24c@imixmics.co.uk> Funny how memories get triggered. Way back in the 70s(3 day week?) when there were lots of power cuts I bought an inverter. When the power was on, it charged the old car battery. If the power went off, it switched to invert & sent 240V out of the 13amp socket on the front. I used it to power the central heating & a lamp or two. Trouble was, the output wasn't sinusoidal, but rather jagged - the noise from the CH pump was rather worrying. Luckily I think I only had to use it once or twice briefly. I might still have it in the garage somewhere. I haven't used it since - no spare car battery. The funny part was that I had a job getting it delivered: the manufacturer was using all his inverters as back up in the factory. Even though I'd paid for it, they tried to hang on to it! John On 10/04/2019 23:10, Roger E Long via Tech1 wrote: > We live in the isolated Cotswolds and suffer power outs regularly > We have an oil Aga, 9kW log burner and LPG hob > Western Power was here today felling a tree that could threaten our > overhead supply > Li ion night lights would be a good idea > Honda 2kW Genny needs complex switch gear for seamless operation . > > Roger > >> On 10 Apr 2019, at 22:09, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 >> > wrote: >> >> We have the same problem of overhead wires in wildest Warwickshire - I >> just keep a few torches around the place. ?Doesn?t solve the situation >> with your little grand-daughter unless she?s remarkably dextrous. >> >> We can cook with Calor, and the heating is oil, but of course you need >> mains to make the boiler & pump work. ?I think a battery + inverter >> could work well for that. >> >> Alasdair >> >> Sent from my iPad Pro. >> >> On 10 Apr 2019, at 21:27, Geoff Fletcher via Tech1 >> > wrote: >> >>> I think you go to the wrong pubs in ?London Tony! Also, buy yourself >>> a Honda genny to take care of your power outages? >>> Geoff F >>> >>> On Wed, 10 Apr 2019 at 21:08, Tony Grant via Tech1 >>> > wrote: >>> >>> Thanks to all so far, I can see I didn't fully outline why I >>> wanted something like this. It's only domestic, but we live out >>> in the country in N. Wales, and occasionally suffer a power >>> outage, since all elec distribution is by overhead cabling, and >>> being in Snowdonia we can get wind gusts of 80mph - flish, flash, >>> black. And our 3 yr old granddaughter doesn't like it to be left >>> completely in the dark during the night, if she's with us we >>> leave one of the lights on in the utility room, and we don't want >>> her frightened should the power go off. >>> >>> Having looked at several lights on Amazon, the ones suggested by >>> Terry don't have a very good write-up, although they appear to be >>> the best-selling. Thus, I thought that by shelling out a bit more >>> I might get a more reliable product. And as I really don't want >>> to spend any more of my life messing around with wiring, >>> recabling/pluggery, Clive's thoughts don't encourage me (although >>> with my thanks, and I'm sure Google translate could provide >>> several amusing helpful hints for dealing with them). >>> >>> And I thank you Keith for the kind offer of borrowing some, but >>> the return trip to London would cost more than the ones I'm >>> eyeing up on Amazon, as well as having to drink beer and eat pub >>> grub whilst listening to some disintegrating duffers discussing >>> disgusting details during dinner. What? Yes, it's dinner, just >>> like when I was brought up in N. Ireland, dinner is after >>> breakfast, in the middle of the day, then at the end of the day >>> you have tea and/or supper. See, you effete Southerners learn >>> something everyday on this forum! >>> >>> OK, break's over, back on your heads, >>> >>> TeaTeaFN - Tony >>> >>> On Wed, Apr 10, 2019 at 2:57 PM Dave Plowman via Tech1 >>> > wrote: >>> >>> In article >>> >> >, >>> ? ?Tony Grant via Tech1 >> > wrote: >>> > I have searched shops everywhere I've travelled in the past >>> 6 months or >>> > so looking for the safety lights you plug into a 13A socket >>> which switch >>> > themselves on if the power fails, nowhere to be found. >>> >>> > Of course, I'd seen them online, but wanted to actually see >>> one and >>> > speak to a knowledgable assistant about their efficiency. >>> Huh. No wonder >>> > the high street is dying. So, I'm now looking at a set of three >>> > 'Nite-safe maxi rechargeable night lights' on Amazon which >>> appear to >>> > satisfy my needs. But before I part with money, does anyone >>> here have >>> > any thoughts on the matter, or even bought some for themselves? >>> >>> > I await another illuminating discussion, >>> >>> Can't really help, but hope they are better than the studio >>> emergency >>> lights at TC - when the power failed on BBC2 opening night. ;-) >>> >>> -- >>> *Learn from your parents' mistakes - use birth control. >>> >>> ? ? Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk >>> ? ? ?London SW 12 >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>> >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>> >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > From david.jasma at sky.com Thu Apr 11 03:38:05 2019 From: david.jasma at sky.com (Dave Buckley) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2019 09:38:05 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Mains safety ligthing Message-ID: <000c01d4f041$e227d9f0$a6778dd0$@sky.com> By the time of the three day week and power cuts, my department (TV Training) had acquired a portable generator which had been part of a PSC experimental kit. One of my colleagues took it home as he had two young children and wanted to keep some lights and probably the fridge on during cuts. After the first time he used it, he came in the following day and commented that his house was a 'blaze of light in a sea of blackness!' Also TV Training was then based at Woodstock Grove, next door to Ken House. For nearly all the time the power cuts were occurring, WG didn't lose its supply. We couldn't work out why - were we on the same feed as a local hospital or what? In the end, word came through to the department that, for some reason, there were difficulties in cutting the power to the area. It was many weeks until we had an actual cut. Dave Buckley --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk Thu Apr 11 08:41:41 2019 From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2019 14:41:41 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] [SPAM?] Re: Mains failure safety lights In-Reply-To: <5f4b546a-18ae-4bcb-c188-b58e3f09f24c@imixmics.co.uk> References: <57a28cb177dave@davesound.co.uk> <710D4C6A-24B3-48EB-988C-EE2A5FF38442@me.com> <5f4b546a-18ae-4bcb-c188-b58e3f09f24c@imixmics.co.uk> Message-ID: <19b54800-ed40-9606-752e-43a73da36621@chriswoolf.co.uk> On 11/04/2019 08:16, John Nottage via Tech1 wrote: > Funny how memories get triggered. Way back in the 70s(3 day week?) > when there were lots of power cuts I bought an inverter. When the > power was on, it charged the old car battery. If the power went off, > it switched to invert & sent 240V out of the 13amp socket on the > front. I used it to power the central heating & a lamp or two. Trouble > was, the output wasn't sinusoidal... Early inverters were pretty crude switchers and generated a square wave with a lot of harmonics. These served merely to heat and rattle any inductive loads such as motors. Newer ones are much better, and many have pretty clean sinusoidal outputs. The trouble is that batteries are rarely big enough to run them for very long. A 60Ah/12V car battery provides 720W. At 240V (after the inverter) that's about 3A for an hour. Generators are a much better bet for anything beyond very short-term supply interruptions (such as computer shut-down coverage). The cheaper sort of small generator tends to be for use on building sites, and has a rough output waveform and regulation, direct off a 240V alternator. Frequency and output voltage are very dependent on the rotation speed. The better versions have a DC generator and use an inverter to produce a clean, constant frequency sinusoidal output irrespective of load. Automatic switching isn't a simple option, and probably isn't worthwhile for domestic use. However I do have a 3kW emergency unit(with inverter output) for running our borehole water pump and sewage treatment supply, as well as the more obvious fridge, freezer and a little LED lighting. Chris Woolf --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From gary_critcher at yahoo.com Thu Apr 11 11:37:59 2019 From: gary_critcher at yahoo.com (Gary Critcher) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2019 16:37:59 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Tech1] has anyone seen one of these before? References: <404696137.196690.1555000679688.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <404696137.196690.1555000679688@mail.yahoo.com> ....I bought some 35mm colour slides on Ebay the other day and this was in the middle of them when they arrived.Has anyone seen this before? ? all the best,?Gary -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Darby Tel: +44 1795 536723 Mobile: +44 780 372 4696 Email: Dudley.Darby at gmail.com P Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail _____ From: Tech1 [mailto:tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk] On Behalf Of Gary Critcher via Tech1 Sent: 11 April 2019 17:38 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: [Tech1] has anyone seen one of these before? ....I bought some 35mm colour slides on Ebay the other day and this was in the middle of them when they arrived. Has anyone seen this before? all the best, Gary --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From teateatone2 at gmail.com Thu Apr 11 14:54:00 2019 From: teateatone2 at gmail.com (Tony Grant) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2019 20:54:00 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] [SPAM?] Re: Mains failure safety lights In-Reply-To: <19b54800-ed40-9606-752e-43a73da36621@chriswoolf.co.uk> References: <57a28cb177dave@davesound.co.uk> <710D4C6A-24B3-48EB-988C-EE2A5FF38442@me.com> <5f4b546a-18ae-4bcb-c188-b58e3f09f24c@imixmics.co.uk> <19b54800-ed40-9606-752e-43a73da36621@chriswoolf.co.uk> Message-ID: Yes, I've got a 2+kW genny for back-up, but it's in the outbuildings, so I can run it into 'indoors' when there's a gale raging around. It's reverse plugged into a 13A socket, so can get mains into the house, just so long as I FIRST switch off connection to the grid, and various other appliances. Thus can run fridge, microwave, some lights. BUT......it's outside in the outbuildings, and I'm not going out there at 0300 in the blackness, screaming gales and stair-rods downpour even with one of our many torches. In the past I've had to go out in the day in the middle of walls of water cascading down around me to try and unblock drains (turned out the horses had trampled over the drainage outlet in the field and blocked it!). Yes, I've also got a camping gas stove and umpteen candles, torches, log burning stove, bottles of water, you name it, out here in the sticks, you never know when you need it, since we often also have our water supply cease unexpectedly. Why? Well, some years ago the local water supply company installed super-duper new self-balancing water pumps for our local mains, so that they adjusted their pumping rate to match the local demand. They obviously run off a Windows computer programme because, as I've said, for no apparent reason the water will simply dribble away. A couple of hours later a van or two will turn up at the pump house down the lane, and reset it. But when everything works......ah, we're living in Heaven. So, from all the advice received so far, I'll probably put an order in for the lights over the weekend. TeaTEaFN - Tony On Thu, Apr 11, 2019 at 2:42 PM Chris Woolf via Tech1 wrote: > On 11/04/2019 08:16, John Nottage via Tech1 wrote: > > Funny how memories get triggered. Way back in the 70s(3 day week?) > > when there were lots of power cuts I bought an inverter. When the > > power was on, it charged the old car battery. If the power went off, > > it switched to invert & sent 240V out of the 13amp socket on the > > front. I used it to power the central heating & a lamp or two. Trouble > > was, the output wasn't sinusoidal... > > Early inverters were pretty crude switchers and generated a square wave > with a lot of harmonics. These served merely to heat and rattle any > inductive loads such as motors. Newer ones are much better, and many > have pretty clean sinusoidal outputs. The trouble is that batteries are > rarely big enough to run them for very long. A 60Ah/12V car battery > provides 720W. At 240V (after the inverter) that's about 3A for an hour. > > Generators are a much better bet for anything beyond very short-term > supply interruptions (such as computer shut-down coverage). The cheaper > sort of small generator tends to be for use on building sites, and has a > rough output waveform and regulation, direct off a 240V alternator. > Frequency and output voltage are very dependent on the rotation speed. > The better versions have a DC generator and use an inverter to produce a > clean, constant frequency sinusoidal output irrespective of load. > > Automatic switching isn't a simple option, and probably isn't worthwhile > for domestic use. However I do have a 3kW emergency unit(with inverter > output) for running our borehole water pump and sewage treatment supply, > as well as the more obvious fridge, freezer and a little LED lighting. > > > Chris Woolf > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From waresound at msn.com Thu Apr 11 15:36:44 2019 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2019 20:36:44 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] [SPAM?] Re: Mains failure safety lights In-Reply-To: References: <57a28cb177dave@davesound.co.uk> <710D4C6A-24B3-48EB-988C-EE2A5FF38442@me.com> <5f4b546a-18ae-4bcb-c188-b58e3f09f24c@imixmics.co.uk> <19b54800-ed40-9606-752e-43a73da36621@chriswoolf.co.uk> Message-ID: That?s actually very naughty, reverse plugging to a 13A socket, even though you obviously understand what you are doing. Without going to huge expense you can get a break-before-make changeover switch, Eddystone box and correct gender C-form connectors to do it properly. Even in the sticks there must be plenty of what-ifs? Cheers, Nick. Sent from my iPad On 11 Apr 2019, at 20:54, Tony Grant via Tech1 > wrote: Yes, I've got a 2+kW genny for back-up, but it's in the outbuildings, so I can run it into 'indoors' when there's a gale raging around. It's reverse plugged into a 13A socket, so can get mains into the house, just so long as I FIRST switch off connection to the grid, and various other appliances. Thus can run fridge, microwave, some lights. BUT......it's outside in the outbuildings, and I'm not going out there at 0300 in the blackness, screaming gales and stair-rods downpour even with one of our many torches. In the past I've had to go out in the day in the middle of walls of water cascading down around me to try and unblock drains (turned out the horses had trampled over the drainage outlet in the field and blocked it!). Yes, I've also got a camping gas stove and umpteen candles, torches, log burning stove, bottles of water, you name it, out here in the sticks, you never know when you need it, since we often also have our water supply cease unexpectedly. Why? Well, some years ago the local water supply company installed super-duper new self-balancing water pumps for our local mains, so that they adjusted their pumping rate to match the local demand. They obviously run off a Windows computer programme because, as I've said, for no apparent reason the water will simply dribble away. A couple of hours later a van or two will turn up at the pump house down the lane, and reset it. But when everything works......ah, we're living in Heaven. So, from all the advice received so far, I'll probably put an order in for the lights over the weekend. TeaTEaFN - Tony -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In the event of mains power failing, the magnet released, the mercury tube tilted down and broke the grid feed away, at the same time making a circuit to start the genny remotely, which then fed the house network. Obviously, a reset manually was necessary when grid power was restored. Occasionally the Elec. Board engineers used to come and peer at it, much sucking of teeth, but went away, leaving him to it! Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Tony Grant via Tech1 Sent: 11 April 2019 20:54 Cc: TechOps Forum Subject: Re: [Tech1] [SPAM?] Re: Mains failure safety lights Yes, I've got a 2+kW genny for back-up, but it's in the outbuildings, so I can run it into 'indoors' when there's a gale raging around. It's reverse plugged into a 13A socket, so can get mains into the house, just so long as I FIRST switch off connection to the grid, and various other appliances. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From waresound at msn.com Fri Apr 12 05:33:28 2019 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2019 10:33:28 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] [SPAM?] Re: Mains failure safety lights In-Reply-To: <5cb058c0.1c69fb81.2c99d.c8f3@mx.google.com> References: <57a28cb177dave@davesound.co.uk> <710D4C6A-24B3-48EB-988C-EE2A5FF38442@me.com> <5f4b546a-18ae-4bcb-c188-b58e3f09f24c@imixmics.co.uk> <19b54800-ed40-9606-752e-43a73da36621@chriswoolf.co.uk> , <5cb058c0.1c69fb81.2c99d.c8f3@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Blimey, I?m trying to visualise how big a mercury switch you?d need to interrupt the grid feed to a hotel! I?m reminded of a job we did a couple of years ago at the Eakring Training Centre. They have grid feeds so that they can teach the real thing in a live situation. Most impressive to my childish mind was the inert gas-filled switch housings. Breaking or making a load connection was like an explosion, a blinding flash and a lot of smoke! Luvvly stuff! Nick. Sent from my iPad On 12 Apr 2019, at 10:22, patheigham via Tech1 > wrote: I agree with Nick ? reverse plugging is unwise! Don?t grab the pins before running the genny! I knew the owner of a seafront small hotel in the I.o.W. prone to power cuts. He had a diesel powered generator in a brick outhouse, with an ingenious change-over mechanism. A mains operated electromagnet held a mercury switch in place. In the event of mains power failing, the magnet released, the mercury tube tilted down and broke the grid feed away, at the same time making a circuit to start the genny remotely, which then fed the house network. Obviously, a reset manually was necessary when grid power was restored. Occasionally the Elec. Board engineers used to come and peer at it, much sucking of teeth, but went away, leaving him to it! Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Tony Grant via Tech1 Sent: 11 April 2019 20:54 Cc: TechOps Forum Subject: Re: [Tech1] [SPAM?] Re: Mains failure safety lights Yes, I've got a 2+kW genny for back-up, but it's in the outbuildings, so I can run it into 'indoors' when there's a gale raging around. It's reverse plugged into a 13A socket, so can get mains into the house, just so long as I FIRST switch off connection to the grid, and various other appliances. [https://ipmcdn.avast.com/images/icons/icon-envelope-tick-round-orange-animated-no-repeat-v1.gif] Virus-free. www.avast.com -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Thank goodness for Evesham safety training (not) Mike From: patheigham via Tech1 Sent: Friday, April 12, 2019 10:22 AM To: Tony Grant Cc: TechOps Forum Subject: Re: [Tech1] [SPAM?] Re: Mains failure safety lights I agree with Nick ? reverse plugging is unwise! Don?t grab the pins before running the genny! I knew the owner of a seafront small hotel in the I.o.W. prone to power cuts. He had a diesel powered generator in a brick outhouse, with an ingenious change-over mechanism. A mains operated electromagnet held a mercury switch in place. In the event of mains power failing, the magnet released, the mercury tube tilted down and broke the grid feed away, at the same time making a circuit to start the genny remotely, which then fed the house network. Obviously, a reset manually was necessary when grid power was restored. Occasionally the Elec. Board engineers used to come and peer at it, much sucking of teeth, but went away, leaving him to it! 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Dave Buckley --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From pat.heigham at amps.net Fri Apr 12 06:44:31 2019 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2019 12:44:31 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] [SPAM?] Re: Mains failure safety lights In-Reply-To: References: <57a28cb177dave@davesound.co.uk> <710D4C6A-24B3-48EB-988C-EE2A5FF38442@me.com> <5f4b546a-18ae-4bcb-c188-b58e3f09f24c@imixmics.co.uk> <19b54800-ed40-9606-752e-43a73da36621@chriswoolf.co.uk> , <5cb058c0.1c69fb81.2c99d.c8f3@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <5cb07a20.1c69fb81.9d565.5434@mx.google.com> It was quite a few years ago, and memory is hazy, but I think the mercury device was a glass tube about six or eight inches long and a good inch and a half wide. Can?t remember exactly how the grid feed was broken away, but I was shown how the mercury would run down to the other end and bridge contacts to make things happen. The guy is long gone, but his son runs the hotel ? next time I call, I?ll ask him if the set-up is still in place. Probably not! I fixed up a cinema lounge for him, with 16mm library films to rent to amuse the children on wet afternoons, and the adults, of an evening. (This was before colour TV!) He rang the changes on features once a week, so the grown ups saw at least two movies during a fortnight?s holiday, but kept a cartoons reel all season for the kids. This was in the days of the Rank and Ron Harris film libraries. Regards Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Nick Ware via Tech1 Sent: 12 April 2019 11:33 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] [SPAM?] Re: Mains failure safety lights Blimey, I?m trying to visualise how big a mercury switch you?d need to interrupt the grid feed to a hotel! I?m reminded of a job we did a couple of years ago at the Eakring Training Centre. They have grid feeds so that they can teach the real thing in a live situation. Most impressive to my childish mind was the inert gas-filled switch housings. Breaking or making a load connection was like an explosion, a blinding flash and a lot of smoke! Luvvly stuff! Nick. Sent from my iPad On 12 Apr 2019, at 10:22, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: I agree with Nick ? reverse plugging is unwise! Don?t grab the pins before running the genny! I knew the owner of a seafront small hotel in the I.o.W. prone to power cuts. He had a diesel powered generator in a brick outhouse, with an ingenious change-over mechanism. A mains operated electromagnet held a mercury switch in place. In the event of mains power failing, the magnet released, the mercury tube tilted down and broke the grid feed away, at the same time making a circuit to start the genny remotely, which then fed the house network. Obviously, a reset manually was necessary when grid power was restored. Occasionally the Elec. Board engineers used to come and peer at it, much sucking of teeth, but went away, leaving him to it! Pat ? --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Fri Apr 12 06:52:11 2019 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2019 12:52:11 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Mains failure safety lighting In-Reply-To: <001501d4f124$8fc07b20$af417160$@sky.com> References: <001501d4f124$8fc07b20$af417160$@sky.com> Message-ID: <5cb07bec.1c69fb81.a461b.e9e7@mx.google.com> There?s an echo here: The nickname of 'sparks' has been around for years, presumably because messing around with electricity can cause just that. I witnessed a very exciting example while on location for "Fiddler on the Roof". The cameras were powered from 2x12v batteries running a rotary converter to produce 240v 3-phase. Sync for the 50Hz Nagra recorders taken from the same source. We had 6 batteries - four in the truck, two operational, two standby and two back on charge at the hotel base. Our own Tim Blackham, (ex-BBC, as I was), was our Sound Maintenance (real title in those days) and reckoned that when the sparks had the genny running, he could float charge the batts we had on location, so he built a charger from scratch to trickle the batteries in the sound truck, whenever the genny was in use. The electricians thought this a great idea, as they were also using 12v car batteries for some low-volt lights which weren't being cable fed - so they coupled up 20 12v batteries in series in the back of one of their lorries and were happily charging. Unfortunately, they had not done what Tim had - built in several diodes to prevent the current from flowing the reverse way. Thus when the genny was killed and beginning to run down, without the charging batteries being disconnected first, these batteries attempted to run the genny! The shower of fireworks as all 20 batteries simultaneously rapidly discharged at max. current was a sight to behold - I thought Tim would expire with howls of laughter! Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Dave Buckley via Tech1 Sent: 12 April 2019 12:40 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: [Tech1] Mains failure safety lighting Further to Pat's item about using a mercury switch, many years ago I heard of a transmitter station somewhere that had three diesel generators on standby in case of a mains failure. There was an interlock to ensure that the generators didn't try and feed the grid when they were running. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave at davesound.co.uk Fri Apr 12 09:05:15 2019 From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2019 15:05:15 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] [SPAM?] Re: Mains failure safety lights In-Reply-To: References: <57a28cb177dave@davesound.co.uk> <710D4C6A-24B3-48EB-988C-EE2A5FF38442@me.com> <5f4b546a-18ae-4bcb-c188-b58e3f09f24c@imixmics.co.uk> <19b54800-ed40-9606-752e-43a73da36621@chriswoolf.co.uk> Message-ID: <57a396008adave@davesound.co.uk> In article , Tony Grant via Tech1 wrote: > Yes, I've got a 2+kW genny for back-up, but it's in the outbuildings, so > I can run it into 'indoors' when there's a gale raging around. It's > reverse plugged into a 13A socket, Oh dear. ;-) -- *A nest isn't empty until all their stuff is out of the attic Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From graeme.wall at icloud.com Fri Apr 12 10:03:42 2019 From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2019 16:03:42 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] [SPAM?] Re: Mains failure safety lights In-Reply-To: <5cb07a20.1c69fb81.9d565.5434@mx.google.com> References: <57a28cb177dave@davesound.co.uk> <710D4C6A-24B3-48EB-988C-EE2A5FF38442@me.com> <5f4b546a-18ae-4bcb-c188-b58e3f09f24c@imixmics.co.uk> <19b54800-ed40-9606-752e-43a73da36621@chriswoolf.co.uk> <5cb058c0.1c69fb81.2c99d.c8f3@mx.google.com> <5cb07a20.1c69fb81.9d565.5434@mx.google.com> Message-ID: And the Harrison Marks film library for the late evening shows? ? Graeme Wall > On 12 Apr 2019, at 12:44, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > > It was quite a few years ago, and memory is hazy, but I think the mercury device was a glass tube about six or eight inches long and a good inch and a half wide. Can?t remember exactly how the grid feed was broken away, but I was shown how the mercury would run down to the other end and bridge contacts to make things happen. > The guy is long gone, but his son runs the hotel ? next time I call, I?ll ask him if the set-up is still in place. Probably not! > I fixed up a cinema lounge for him, with 16mm library films to rent to amuse the children on wet afternoons, and the adults, of an evening. > (This was before colour TV!) He rang the changes on features once a week, so the grown ups saw at least two movies during a fortnight?s holiday, but kept a cartoons reel all season for the kids. > This was in the days of the Rank and Ron Harris film libraries. > Regards > Pat > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > From: Nick Ware via Tech1 > Sent: 12 April 2019 11:33 > To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > Subject: Re: [Tech1] [SPAM?] Re: Mains failure safety lights > > Blimey, I?m trying to visualise how big a mercury switch you?d need to interrupt the grid feed to a hotel! I?m reminded of a job we did a couple of years ago at the Eakring Training Centre. They have grid feeds so that they can teach the real thing in a live situation. Most impressive to my childish mind was the inert gas-filled switch housings. Breaking or making a load connection was like an explosion, a blinding flash and a lot of smoke! Luvvly stuff! > Nick. > Sent from my iPad > > On 12 Apr 2019, at 10:22, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > > I agree with Nick ? reverse plugging is unwise! Don?t grab the pins before running the genny! > I knew the owner of a seafront small hotel in the I.o.W. prone to power cuts. He had a diesel powered generator in a brick outhouse, with an ingenious change-over mechanism. A mains operated electromagnet held a mercury switch in place. In the event of mains power failing, the magnet released, the mercury tube tilted down and broke the grid feed away, at the same time making a circuit to start the genny remotely, which then fed the house network. Obviously, a reset manually was necessary when grid power was restored. Occasionally the Elec. Board engineers used to come and peer at it, much sucking of teeth, but went away, leaving him to it! > Pat > > > > Virus-free. www.avast.com > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From bernie833 at gmail.com Fri Apr 12 10:11:27 2019 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2019 16:11:27 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] [SPAM?] Re: Mains failure safety lights In-Reply-To: References: <57a28cb177dave@davesound.co.uk> <710D4C6A-24B3-48EB-988C-EE2A5FF38442@me.com> <5f4b546a-18ae-4bcb-c188-b58e3f09f24c@imixmics.co.uk> <19b54800-ed40-9606-752e-43a73da36621@chriswoolf.co.uk> <5cb058c0.1c69fb81.2c99d.c8f3@mx.google.com> <5cb07a20.1c69fb81.9d565.5434@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Was it John Lintern who started his career smudging ladies bits in photos for Harrison Marks? B On 12/04/2019 16:03, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote: > And the Harrison Marks film library for the late evening shows? > > ? > Graeme Wall > > >> On 12 Apr 2019, at 12:44, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: >> >> It was quite a few years ago, and memory is hazy, but I think the mercury device was a glass tube about six or eight inches long and a good inch and a half wide. Can?t remember exactly how the grid feed was broken away, but I was shown how the mercury would run down to the other end and bridge contacts to make things happen. >> The guy is long gone, but his son runs the hotel ? next time I call, I?ll ask him if the set-up is still in place. Probably not! >> I fixed up a cinema lounge for him, with 16mm library films to rent to amuse the children on wet afternoons, and the adults, of an evening. >> (This was before colour TV!) He rang the changes on features once a week, so the grown ups saw at least two movies during a fortnight?s holiday, but kept a cartoons reel all season for the kids. >> This was in the days of the Rank and Ron Harris film libraries. >> Regards >> Pat >> >> Sent from Mail for Windows 10 >> >> From: Nick Ware via Tech1 >> Sent: 12 April 2019 11:33 >> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> Subject: Re: [Tech1] [SPAM?] Re: Mains failure safety lights >> >> Blimey, I?m trying to visualise how big a mercury switch you?d need to interrupt the grid feed to a hotel! I?m reminded of a job we did a couple of years ago at the Eakring Training Centre. They have grid feeds so that they can teach the real thing in a live situation. Most impressive to my childish mind was the inert gas-filled switch housings. Breaking or making a load connection was like an explosion, a blinding flash and a lot of smoke! Luvvly stuff! >> Nick. >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On 12 Apr 2019, at 10:22, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: >> >> I agree with Nick ? reverse plugging is unwise! Don?t grab the pins before running the genny! >> I knew the owner of a seafront small hotel in the I.o.W. prone to power cuts. He had a diesel powered generator in a brick outhouse, with an ingenious change-over mechanism. A mains operated electromagnet held a mercury switch in place. In the event of mains power failing, the magnet released, the mercury tube tilted down and broke the grid feed away, at the same time making a circuit to start the genny remotely, which then fed the house network. Obviously, a reset manually was necessary when grid power was restored. Occasionally the Elec. Board engineers used to come and peer at it, much sucking of teeth, but went away, leaving him to it! >> Pat >> >> >> >> Virus-free. www.avast.com >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Fri Apr 12 10:44:23 2019 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2019 16:44:23 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] [SPAM?] Re: Mains failure safety lights In-Reply-To: References: <57a28cb177dave@davesound.co.uk> <710D4C6A-24B3-48EB-988C-EE2A5FF38442@me.com> <5f4b546a-18ae-4bcb-c188-b58e3f09f24c@imixmics.co.uk> <19b54800-ed40-9606-752e-43a73da36621@chriswoolf.co.uk> <5cb058c0.1c69fb81.2c99d.c8f3@mx.google.com> <5cb07a20.1c69fb81.9d565.5434@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <5cb0b259.1c69fb81.ba4e4.9919@mx.google.com> I doubt it!! We acquired a Bell & Howell machine, one of the ones in its wooden case, which I had always hankered after, and installed it on a platform above the service corridor between the kitchen and dining room ? the narrow lounge being parallel to the dining room. Punched a projection port, and got a floor standing roller screen, and ran a loudspeaker cable, too. All good fun, and when on holiday, in a next door flat, used to serve behind their little cocktail bar. Think the proprietor was keen for me to get interested in his daughter, who ran the admin side of the hotel ? managed to avoid that, but did act as godparent to her son when she did marry. Never liked her husband, though. Maybe if I had been compliant, I might have owned a hotel! OK, you might want to know more about it: www.northbankhotel.co.uk Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Graeme Wall Sent: 12 April 2019 16:03 To: patheigham Cc: Nick Ware; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] [SPAM?] Re: Mains failure safety lights And the Harrison Marks film library for the late evening shows? ? Graeme Wall > On 12 Apr 2019, at 12:44, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > I fixed up a cinema lounge for him, with 16mm library films to rent to amuse the children on wet afternoons, and the adults, of an evening. > (This was before colour TV!) He rang the changes on features once a week, so the grown ups saw at least two movies during a fortnight?s holiday, but kept a cartoons reel all season for the kids. > This was in the days of the Rank and Ron Harris film libraries. > Regards > Pat --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Fri Apr 12 10:57:37 2019 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2019 16:57:37 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Smudging bits Message-ID: You young chaps have been utterly spoilt! In my school days the only refernce to bodies of either s*x was 'Health and Efficiency', a B/W naturist magazine where everything of interest below the waist was air-brushed out! As I was an only child it was a great shock to me to find out that boys and girls were not the same! Cheers, Dave From mikej at bmanor.co.uk Fri Apr 12 11:06:20 2019 From: mikej at bmanor.co.uk (Mike Jordan) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2019 17:06:20 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Mains failure safety lighting In-Reply-To: <001501d4f124$8fc07b20$af417160$@sky.com> References: <001501d4f124$8fc07b20$af417160$@sky.com> Message-ID: <7E713508C0344B59888203D35323ED42@Gigabyte> That a bit like the famous story of BH on Christmas day when they always used to run up the standby generators down in the basement for the Queens Speech. One day, someone went down to start the genes and didn't look at the synchroscope (or whatever) and put the genes across the feed from Battersea(?) Sadly, they weren't in phase so BH tried to pull down London just before the speech went to air! Not dissimilar to when HMQ opened something at BH to be televised and - as per usual - someone went to try out the OB generator parked in Chandos Street (convenient for the fabulous BBC Club there). And of course it failed. Moral - never do power checks! Mike -----Original Message----- From: Dave Buckley via Tech1 Sent: Friday, April 12, 2019 12:40 PM To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: [Tech1] Mains failure safety lighting Further to Pat's item about using a mercury switch, many years ago I heard of a transmitter station somewhere that had three diesel generators on standby in case of a mains failure. There was an interlock to ensure that the generators didn't try and feed the grid when they were running. On a maintenance day, the generators were run up and when two had been started, the incoming mains supply failed and the generators stopped dead. On investigation, it was found that the interlocking only worked when all three gennies were running! Oops! Dave Buckley From pat.heigham at amps.net Fri Apr 12 11:08:38 2019 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2019 17:08:38 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] [SPAM?] Re: Mains failure safety lights In-Reply-To: References: <57a28cb177dave@davesound.co.uk> <710D4C6A-24B3-48EB-988C-EE2A5FF38442@me.com> <5f4b546a-18ae-4bcb-c188-b58e3f09f24c@imixmics.co.uk> <19b54800-ed40-9606-752e-43a73da36621@chriswoolf.co.uk> <5cb058c0.1c69fb81.2c99d.c8f3@mx.google.com> <5cb07a20.1c69fb81.9d565.5434@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <5cb0b808.1c69fb81.b3644.6b5e@mx.google.com> No idea, but I did hear a story from a journalist, visiting a Bond set when Maurice Binder was shooting the titles. He envied the guy tasked with applying copious amounts of Vaseline to the naked ladies? pubic area, so that the hair did not show up in silhouette for the title backgounds. (Bush wrangler?) Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Bernard Newnham via Tech1 Sent: 12 April 2019 16:11 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Cc: Bernard Newnham Subject: Re: [Tech1] [SPAM?] Re: Mains failure safety lights Was it John Lintern who started his career smudging ladies bits in photos for Harrison Marks? B --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From relong at btinternet.com Fri Apr 12 11:26:39 2019 From: relong at btinternet.com (Roger E Long) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2019 17:26:39 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] [SPAM?] Re: Mains failure safety lights In-Reply-To: References: <57a28cb177dave@davesound.co.uk> <710D4C6A-24B3-48EB-988C-EE2A5FF38442@me.com> <5f4b546a-18ae-4bcb-c188-b58e3f09f24c@imixmics.co.uk> <19b54800-ed40-9606-752e-43a73da36621@chriswoolf.co.uk> <5cb058c0.1c69fb81.2c99d.c8f3@mx.google.com> <5cb07a20.1c69fb81.9d565.5434@mx.google.com> Message-ID: When I first went to Bush House in 65 there was a BBC cutting room in the basement that blooped out nipples on travel and exploration films This was mainly for the US and other purient markets .. (Blooping ink was originally added to optical tracks to make them silent, an early form of noise reduction for tracks pre dub It was quite a skill) Roger > On 12 Apr 2019, at 16:11, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: > > Was it John Lintern who started his career smudging ladies bits in photos for Harrison Marks? > > B > > > > On 12/04/2019 16:03, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote: >> And the Harrison Marks film library for the late evening shows? >> >> ? >> Graeme Wall >> >> >>> On 12 Apr 2019, at 12:44, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: >>> >>> It was quite a few years ago, and memory is hazy, but I think the mercury device was a glass tube about six or eight inches long and a good inch and a half wide. Can?t remember exactly how the grid feed was broken away, but I was shown how the mercury would run down to the other end and bridge contacts to make things happen. >>> The guy is long gone, but his son runs the hotel ? next time I call, I?ll ask him if the set-up is still in place. Probably not! >>> I fixed up a cinema lounge for him, with 16mm library films to rent to amuse the children on wet afternoons, and the adults, of an evening. >>> (This was before colour TV!) He rang the changes on features once a week, so the grown ups saw at least two movies during a fortnight?s holiday, but kept a cartoons reel all season for the kids. >>> This was in the days of the Rank and Ron Harris film libraries. >>> Regards >>> Pat >>> >>> Sent from Mail for Windows 10 >>> >>> From: Nick Ware via Tech1 >>> Sent: 12 April 2019 11:33 >>> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] [SPAM?] Re: Mains failure safety lights >>> >>> Blimey, I?m trying to visualise how big a mercury switch you?d need to interrupt the grid feed to a hotel! I?m reminded of a job we did a couple of years ago at the Eakring Training Centre. They have grid feeds so that they can teach the real thing in a live situation. Most impressive to my childish mind was the inert gas-filled switch housings. Breaking or making a load connection was like an explosion, a blinding flash and a lot of smoke! Luvvly stuff! >>> Nick. >>> Sent from my iPad >>> >>> On 12 Apr 2019, at 10:22, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: >>> >>> I agree with Nick ? reverse plugging is unwise! Don?t grab the pins before running the genny! >>> I knew the owner of a seafront small hotel in the I.o.W. prone to power cuts. He had a diesel powered generator in a brick outhouse, with an ingenious change-over mechanism. A mains operated electromagnet held a mercury switch in place. In the event of mains power failing, the magnet released, the mercury tube tilted down and broke the grid feed away, at the same time making a circuit to start the genny remotely, which then fed the house network. Obviously, a reset manually was necessary when grid power was restored. Occasionally the Elec. Board engineers used to come and peer at it, much sucking of teeth, but went away, leaving him to it! >>> Pat >>> >>> >>> >>> Virus-free. www.avast.com >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Fri Apr 12 11:31:15 2019 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2019 17:31:15 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Mains failure & programming In-Reply-To: <7E713508C0344B59888203D35323ED42@Gigabyte> References: <001501d4f124$8fc07b20$af417160$@sky.com> <7E713508C0344B59888203D35323ED42@Gigabyte> Message-ID: <5cb0bd54.1c69fb81.d529f.d132@mx.google.com> There really should be a book about the stories that BBC Tech-Ops can reveal! Maybe as a salutary lesson to anyone who tries to run a broadcast organization. On a slightly different tack ? I joined the Film Industry to help make films that were a creative example of storytelling. It was a while later that I realized that studios and producers were only interested in what money could be made. Luckily, I happened to work with some gifted directors who felt that the storytelling was more important than box office revenue. Now that we have multiple TV channels, is anyone else annoyed at the filling of available airtime is seemingly on an eight hour repeat schedule? What a waste of channel availability. OK, good for shift work viewers, but a pain for those of us who have seen it before. Maybe it all goes back to the cost of running a decent programme, with repeat fees, etc. Sadly, unlike artistes who probably have clauses in their contracts, us technicians have to suffer a buy-out contact which precludes any payment for repeat exposure. OK, enough rant Getting my subscription ready for OGCC (Old Gits Complaint Club) Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Mike Jordan via Tech1 Sent: 12 April 2019 17:06 To: Dave Buckley; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Mains failure safety lighting That a bit like the famous story of BH on Christmas day when they always used to run up the standby generators down in the basement for the Queens Speech. One day, someone went down to start the genes and didn't look at the synchroscope (or whatever) and put the genes across the feed from Battersea(?) Sadly, they weren't in phase so BH tried to pull down London just before the speech went to air! Not dissimilar to when HMQ opened something at BH to be televised and - as per usual - someone went to try out the OB generator parked in Chandos Street (convenient for the fabulous BBC Club there). And of course it failed. Moral - never do power checks! Mike --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From relong at btinternet.com Fri Apr 12 11:36:58 2019 From: relong at btinternet.com (Roger E Long) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2019 17:36:58 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Mains failure safety lighting In-Reply-To: <7E713508C0344B59888203D35323ED42@Gigabyte> References: <001501d4f124$8fc07b20$af417160$@sky.com> <7E713508C0344B59888203D35323ED42@Gigabyte> Message-ID: <0D8E1B36-9C26-4FD2-B11B-BD7129F943E2@btinternet.com> Bush House had Olympus Jet powered genies on the roof When they started up no one could use any of the studios??. Roger > On 12 Apr 2019, at 17:06, Mike Jordan via Tech1 wrote: > > That a bit like the famous story of BH on Christmas day when they always used to run up the standby generators down in the basement for the Queens Speech. > One day, someone went down to start the genes and didn't look at the synchroscope (or whatever) and put the genes across the feed from Battersea(?) > Sadly, they weren't in phase so BH tried to pull down London just before the speech went to air! > > Not dissimilar to when HMQ opened something at BH to be televised and - as per usual - someone went to try out the OB generator parked in Chandos Street (convenient for the fabulous BBC Club there). And of course it failed. Moral - never do power checks! > > Mike > > -----Original Message----- From: Dave Buckley via Tech1 > Sent: Friday, April 12, 2019 12:40 PM > To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > Subject: [Tech1] Mains failure safety lighting > > Further to Pat's item about using a mercury switch, many years ago I heard > of a transmitter station somewhere that had three diesel generators on > standby in case of a mains failure. There was an interlock to ensure that > the generators didn't try and feed the grid when they were running. > > On a maintenance day, the generators were run up and when two had been > started, the incoming mains supply failed and the generators stopped dead. > On investigation, it was found that the interlocking only worked when all > three gennies were running! Oops! > > Dave Buckley > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From pat.heigham at amps.net Fri Apr 12 12:08:45 2019 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2019 18:08:45 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] [SPAM?] Re: Mains failure safety lights In-Reply-To: References: <57a28cb177dave@davesound.co.uk> <710D4C6A-24B3-48EB-988C-EE2A5FF38442@me.com> <5f4b546a-18ae-4bcb-c188-b58e3f09f24c@imixmics.co.uk> <19b54800-ed40-9606-752e-43a73da36621@chriswoolf.co.uk> <5cb058c0.1c69fb81.2c99d.c8f3@mx.google.com> <5cb07a20.1c69fb81.9d565.5434@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <5cb0c61e.1c69fb81.3703c.aa80@mx.google.com> Yep, blooping was an ink addition to photographic optical sound tracks, to cover the splices which would ?bump? The ink was applied in a ?comma? or ?V? shape, to make the join less visible. Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Roger E Long via Tech1 Sent: 12 April 2019 17:26 To: Bernard Newnham Cc: TechOps Forum Subject: Re: [Tech1] [SPAM?] Re: Mains failure safety lights (Blooping ink was originally added to optical tracks to make them silent, an early form of noise reduction for tracks ?pre dub It was quite a skill) Roger --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Fri Apr 12 12:18:22 2019 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2019 18:18:22 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Happy holidays Message-ID: <3c90307f-7381-ee42-63b9-43829b8bcc1d@btinternet.com> My family holidays were in 'bracing' Skegness or the smaller Mablethorpe on the East coast. The North Sea never failed to keep us cool hence this picture of Mum and Dad sheltering in the dunes at Mablethorpe in mid-summer! Added enjoyment at Mablethorpe was seeing the RAF practicing bomb aiming on a bandstand-shaped structure further up the beach. One day I managed to get right up to it when they weren't flying! Cheers, Dave -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: M&D Summer 1951.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 110635 bytes Desc: not available URL: From geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com Fri Apr 12 15:53:59 2019 From: geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com (Geoffrey Hawkes) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2019 21:53:59 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Pensions letter with wrong initials Message-ID: <7C378A2F-E1FC-48E1-9841-A463AC9A4BAC@gmail.com> I had a letter from BBC Pensions today inviting me to apply to become a trustee. I expect all of us pensioners will have received the same. Mine was addressed to Mr J P Hawkes, not G R as it should have been so I rang the Pension Centre number at the bottom of the letter to make sure they had my name correct. I was greeted with a recorded message saying that if I had received a letter with the wrong initials, not to worry as it was done in error and a new letter would be issued in the next ten days. Just thought I?d tell you in case you?ve had one like it, Geoff Hawkes PS I won?t be applying to become a trustee as it?s not my sort of job but good luck to anyone who does From mibridge at mac.com Fri Apr 12 16:57:00 2019 From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2019 22:57:00 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Happy holidays In-Reply-To: <3c90307f-7381-ee42-63b9-43829b8bcc1d@btinternet.com> References: <3c90307f-7381-ee42-63b9-43829b8bcc1d@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <2E198BCA-220D-4B72-9252-A77977A35999@mac.com> I can see the likeness, Dave! Mike G > On 12 Apr 2019, at 18:18, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: > > My family holidays were in 'bracing' Skegness or the smaller Mablethorpe on the East coast. The North Sea never failed to keep us cool hence this picture of Mum and Dad sheltering in the dunes at Mablethorpe in mid-summer! Added enjoyment at Mablethorpe was seeing the RAF practicing bomb aiming on a bandstand-shaped structure further up the beach. One day I managed to get right up to it when they weren't flying! Cheers, Dave > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From j at howell61.f9.co.uk Fri Apr 12 17:15:20 2019 From: j at howell61.f9.co.uk (John Howell) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2019 23:15:20 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Pensions letter with wrong initials In-Reply-To: <7C378A2F-E1FC-48E1-9841-A463AC9A4BAC@gmail.com> References: <7C378A2F-E1FC-48E1-9841-A463AC9A4BAC@gmail.com> Message-ID: <9746168f-573d-d7e2-126f-b6778fe82e3b@howell61.f9.co.uk> You're not alone Geoff! from R C Howell aka John Howell. On 12/04/2019 21:53, Geoffrey Hawkes via Tech1 wrote: > I had a letter from BBC Pensions today inviting me to apply to become a trustee. I expect all of us pensioners will have received the same. Mine was addressed to Mr J P Hawkes, not G R as it should have been so I rang the Pension Centre number at the bottom of the letter to make sure they had my name correct. > I was greeted with a recorded message saying that if I had received a letter with the wrong initials, not to worry as it was done in error and a new letter would be issued in the next ten days. > Just thought I?d tell you in case you?ve had one like it, > Geoff Hawkes > PS I won?t be applying to become a trustee as it?s not my sort of job but good luck to anyone who does -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From teateatone2 at gmail.com Sat Apr 13 04:09:02 2019 From: teateatone2 at gmail.com (Tony Grant) Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2019 10:09:02 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Pensions letter with wrong initials In-Reply-To: <9746168f-573d-d7e2-126f-b6778fe82e3b@howell61.f9.co.uk> References: <7C378A2F-E1FC-48E1-9841-A463AC9A4BAC@gmail.com> <9746168f-573d-d7e2-126f-b6778fe82e3b@howell61.f9.co.uk> Message-ID: I am now Mr. G. H. Grant, so thank you Geoff for the timely email, as I groaned and thought, there's another waste of my time next week, TeaTeaFN - Tie Ping Errr roar. On Fri, Apr 12, 2019 at 11:15 PM John Howell via Tech1 wrote: > You're not alone Geoff! > > from R C Howell > > aka John Howell. > > > On 12/04/2019 21:53, Geoffrey Hawkes via Tech1 wrote: > > I had a letter from BBC Pensions today inviting me to apply to become a trustee. I expect all of us pensioners will have received the same. Mine was addressed to Mr J P Hawkes, not G R as it should have been so I rang the Pension Centre number at the bottom of the letter to make sure they had my name correct. > I was greeted with a recorded message saying that if I had received a letter with the wrong initials, not to worry as it was done in error and a new letter would be issued in the next ten days. > Just thought I?d tell you in case you?ve had one like it, > Geoff Hawkes > PS I won?t be applying to become a trustee as it?s not my sort of job but good luck to anyone who does > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Sat Apr 13 05:41:03 2019 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2019 11:41:03 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Pensions letter with wrong initials In-Reply-To: <7C378A2F-E1FC-48E1-9841-A463AC9A4BAC@gmail.com> References: <7C378A2F-E1FC-48E1-9841-A463AC9A4BAC@gmail.com> Message-ID: Me too! Addressed to Mr. HG not DJ! I have sent mine back! Cheers, Dave. PS. I didn't want the job anyway From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Sat Apr 13 05:49:37 2019 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2019 11:49:37 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Happy holidays In-Reply-To: <2E198BCA-220D-4B72-9252-A77977A35999@mac.com> References: <3c90307f-7381-ee42-63b9-43829b8bcc1d@btinternet.com> <2E198BCA-220D-4B72-9252-A77977A35999@mac.com> Message-ID: <55e8b694-bd4b-3d19-76ea-70c779d2677d@btinternet.com> ...I assume you are refering to the landlady's dog! Cheers, Dave From johnk.farr at tiscali.co.uk Sat Apr 13 06:44:41 2019 From: johnk.farr at tiscali.co.uk (John Farr) Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2019 12:44:41 +0100 (BST) Subject: [Tech1] Pensions letter with wrong initials In-Reply-To: References: <7C378A2F-E1FC-48E1-9841-A463AC9A4BAC@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1517542010.182860.1555155881877@apps.talktalk.co.uk> have they used an enigma machine? > On 13 April 2019 at 11:41 "dave.mdv via Tech1" wrote: > > > Me too! Addressed to Mr. HG not DJ! I have sent mine back! Cheers, Dave. > PS. I didn't want the job anyway > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From vernon.dyer at btinternet.com Sat Apr 13 07:40:11 2019 From: vernon.dyer at btinternet.com (vernon.dyer) Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2019 13:40:11 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Pensions letter with wrong initials Message-ID: <1l3i4vrlrhlh5dd81vanrmh7.1555159211799@email.android.com> I'm not affected, of course, but I can't help wondering what the reason is for this. Is everyone's name wrong, and if not who decides who should be misspelt and who not, and for what reason? It all seems very strange.?Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.-------- Original message --------From: John Farr via Tech1 Date: 13/04/2019 12:44 (GMT+00:00) To: "dave.mdv" , "dave.mdv via Tech1" , Geoffrey Hawkes Subject: Re: [Tech1] Pensions letter with wrong initials have they used an enigma machine?> On 13 April 2019 at 11:41 "dave.mdv via Tech1" wrote:> > > Me too! Addressed to Mr. HG not DJ! I have sent mine back! Cheers, Dave. > PS. I didn't want the job anyway> > -- > Tech1 mailing list> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk-- Tech1 mailing listTech1 at tech-ops.co.ukhttp://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From doug at puddifoot.me Sat Apr 13 07:56:33 2019 From: doug at puddifoot.me (Doug Puddifoot) Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2019 13:56:33 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Pensions letter with wrong initials Message-ID: <7il4uwuxl9508epmaja91hgp.1555160193769@email.android.com> What ever the problem, it is going to be expensive to re-send all the letters Dear Mr Puddifoot ?Thank you for your message. Firstly, please be reassured that your details and your wife?s are correct in our records. ?The initials on your letters were wrong due to a printing error, which we are aware of and working to correct. You will receive amended letters within the next ten days. ?Please accept my apologies for the error, and I appreciate you getting in touch. ?Yours sincerely Rachel Hallett ? From mibridge at mac.com Sat Apr 13 08:35:21 2019 From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles) Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2019 14:35:21 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Happy holidays In-Reply-To: <55e8b694-bd4b-3d19-76ea-70c779d2677d@btinternet.com> References: <3c90307f-7381-ee42-63b9-43829b8bcc1d@btinternet.com> <2E198BCA-220D-4B72-9252-A77977A35999@mac.com> <55e8b694-bd4b-3d19-76ea-70c779d2677d@btinternet.com> Message-ID: No - not the dog, your Dad! Mike G > On 13 Apr 2019, at 11:49, dave.mdv wrote: > > ...I assume you are refering to the landlady's dog! Cheers, Dave From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Sat Apr 13 10:34:01 2019 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2019 16:34:01 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Happy holidays In-Reply-To: References: <3c90307f-7381-ee42-63b9-43829b8bcc1d@btinternet.com> <2E198BCA-220D-4B72-9252-A77977A35999@mac.com> <55e8b694-bd4b-3d19-76ea-70c779d2677d@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <859b722d-b810-7b88-4b4a-d0e797fb17cb@btinternet.com> Are you insinuating that I am laid back? How perceptive ! Cheers, Dave From jpn at imixmics.co.uk Sun Apr 14 02:31:36 2019 From: jpn at imixmics.co.uk (John Nottage) Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2019 08:31:36 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] BBC Scheduling Message-ID: <150b0908-1bb6-8925-9a9a-9d6b04f41fe5@imixmics.co.uk> Great scheduling on BBC1 tonight: "BBC Wee" leading to the "Loo"! -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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From pat.heigham at amps.net Sun Apr 14 16:50:15 2019 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2019 22:50:15 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Celebrity Quiz Shows In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5cb3ab17.1c69fb81.8c641.f02e@mx.google.com> OK, so I watch crap TV. The ?Celebrity? versions of pap quiz shows rather amuse me, as I find it difficult to understand how ignorant the ?celebrity? contestants are! Without a script, they are helpless, and hopeless. Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Sun Apr 14 17:05:53 2019 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2019 23:05:53 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Blooping nipples In-Reply-To: References: <57a28cb177dave@davesound.co.uk> <710D4C6A-24B3-48EB-988C-EE2A5FF38442@me.com> <5f4b546a-18ae-4bcb-c188-b58e3f09f24c@imixmics.co.uk> <19b54800-ed40-9606-752e-43a73da36621@chriswoolf.co.uk> <5cb058c0.1c69fb81.2c99d.c8f3@mx.google.com> <5cb07a20.1c69fb81.9d565.5434@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <5cb3aec2.1c69fb81.5a107.be1c@mx.google.com> Frame by frame? The programmes about Police Interceptors etc. Use a fuzz to blot out certain miscreants (maybe because their case comes up, soon, or are subsequently innocent) I?m intrigued that the fuzz follows the face ? is it manually tracked or a clever program that recognised face and therefore plonks the fuzz in the right place? Anyone know? Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Roger E Long via Tech1 Sent: 12 April 2019 17:26 To: Bernard Newnham Cc: TechOps Forum Subject: Re: [Tech1] [SPAM?] Re: Mains failure safety lights When I first went to Bush House in 65 there was a BBC ?cutting room in the basement that blooped ?out nipples on travel and exploration films This was mainly for the US and other purient markets .. Roger --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bernie833 at gmail.com Sun Apr 14 17:24:53 2019 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2019 23:24:53 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Blooping nipples In-Reply-To: <5cb3aec2.1c69fb81.5a107.be1c@mx.google.com> References: <57a28cb177dave@davesound.co.uk> <710D4C6A-24B3-48EB-988C-EE2A5FF38442@me.com> <5f4b546a-18ae-4bcb-c188-b58e3f09f24c@imixmics.co.uk> <19b54800-ed40-9606-752e-43a73da36621@chriswoolf.co.uk> <5cb058c0.1c69fb81.2c99d.c8f3@mx.google.com> <5cb07a20.1c69fb81.9d565.5434@mx.google.com> <5cb3aec2.1c69fb81.5a107.be1c@mx.google.com> Message-ID: For modern stuff, it's just another effect in the editor. Done in minutes. B On 14/04/2019 23:05, patheigham wrote: > > Frame by frame? > > The programmes about Police Interceptors etc. Use a fuzz to blot out > certain miscreants (maybe because their case comes up, soon, or are > subsequently innocent) I?m intrigued that the fuzz follows the face ? > is it manually tracked or a clever program that recognised face and > therefore plonks the fuzz in? the right place? > > Anyone know? > > Pat > > Sent from Mail for > Windows 10 > > *From: *Roger E Long via Tech1 > *Sent: *12 April 2019 17:26 > *To: *Bernard Newnham > *Cc: *TechOps Forum > *Subject: *Re: [Tech1] [SPAM?] Re: Mains failure safety lights > > When I first went to Bush House in 65 there was a BBC ?cutting room in > the basement that blooped ?out nipples on travel and exploration films > > This was mainly for the US and other purient markets .. > > Roger > > > > > > Virus-free. www.avast.com > > > > <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alanaudio at me.com Mon Apr 15 01:26:22 2019 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2019 07:26:22 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Blooping nipples In-Reply-To: <5cb3aec2.1c69fb81.5a107.be1c@mx.google.com> References: <57a28cb177dave@davesound.co.uk> <710D4C6A-24B3-48EB-988C-EE2A5FF38442@me.com> <5f4b546a-18ae-4bcb-c188-b58e3f09f24c@imixmics.co.uk> <19b54800-ed40-9606-752e-43a73da36621@chriswoolf.co.uk> <5cb058c0.1c69fb81.2c99d.c8f3@mx.google.com> <5cb07a20.1c69fb81.9d565.5434@mx.google.com> <5cb3aec2.1c69fb81.5a107.be1c@mx.google.com> Message-ID: A lot of consumer digital cameras and smartphones employ face detection software which draws a rectangle around what the computer believes is a face and tracks it in real time. I've always assumed that the automatic blooping gadgets use a similar algorithm.. Some years ago when it was more normal in news reports for faces of suspected criminals to be pixellated rather than blurred, I went to a fancy dress party where the theme was "Heroes and villains". One person came along with his face intricately painted with make-up to look pixellated. Alan Taylor On 14 Apr 2019, at 14 Apr . 23:05, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > Frame by frame? > The programmes about Police Interceptors etc. Use a fuzz to blot out certain miscreants (maybe because their case comes up, soon, or are subsequently innocent) I?m intrigued that the fuzz follows the face ? is it manually tracked or a clever program that recognised face and therefore plonks the fuzz in the right place? > Anyone know? > Pat > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > From: Roger E Long via Tech1 > Sent: 12 April 2019 17:26 > To: Bernard Newnham > Cc: TechOps Forum > Subject: Re: [Tech1] [SPAM?] Re: Mains failure safety lights > > When I first went to Bush House in 65 there was a BBC cutting room in the basement that blooped out nipples on travel and exploration films > This was mainly for the US and other purient markets .. > > Roger > > > > > Virus-free. www.avast.com > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From waresound at msn.com Mon Apr 15 03:55:23 2019 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2019 08:55:23 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Celebrity Quiz Shows In-Reply-To: <5cb3ab17.1c69fb81.8c641.f02e@mx.google.com> References: , <5cb3ab17.1c69fb81.8c641.f02e@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Of course though, it could be that because of the nature of the work they do, they have developed a greater short-term memory ability than long-term. I don?t know about anyone else, but I exist by retaining stuff I need or want to remember, whilst pretty effectively rejecting anything that?s trivia, and of no interest or use to me. I too would be helpless and hopeless in ?Pointless?, but I like to think I?m not ignorant! Nick. Sent from my iPad On 14 Apr 2019, at 22:50, patheigham via Tech1 > wrote: OK, so I watch crap TV. The ?Celebrity? versions of pap quiz shows rather amuse me, as I find it difficult to understand how ignorant the ?celebrity? contestants are! Without a script, they are helpless, and hopeless. Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 [https://ipmcdn.avast.com/images/icons/icon-envelope-tick-round-orange-animated-no-repeat-v1.gif] Virus-free. www.avast.com -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ian.norman at armoor.co.uk Mon Apr 15 03:56:41 2019 From: ian.norman at armoor.co.uk (ian.norman at armoor.co.uk) Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2019 09:56:41 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Viriiiiii In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Dear Dave, I recently switched to Linux Mint 19.1 and have to say I much prefer it to Windows 10 and far less prone to malware. Best regards Ian Norman Email: mailto:ian.norman at armoor.co.uk Telephone: 01643 888181 On 14/04/2019 21:53, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: > Yes, you are right, a whole day of silence! That's because I wiped my HD > yesterday and have now re-filled it! I began to notice that things > weren't working normally a couple of weeks ago when I clicked on, eg. > ,'remove USB device safely' and then, normally, you got another note > telling you that you could now remove said USB device safely. The second > note didn't appear but the USB plug-in wasn't listed in 'My Computer'. > Then I noticed that the Malwarebytes icon had disappeared but the > program was still in my Program Files folder. When I clicked on the > application I got 'Windows can't find the application' although I was > looking at it! So I erased the whole HD and started again!? Cheers, Dave. > > From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Mon Apr 15 06:09:57 2019 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2019 12:09:57 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Viriiiiii In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks Ian, I am using W7. I have got Linux Mint on another drive and I like it, but the problem is that Canon don't support Linux very well and I need drivers. I can get one for my printer but the scanner is very difficult! Cheers, Dave On 15/04/2019 09:56, ian.norman--- via Tech1 wrote: > Dear Dave, > > I recently switched to Linux Mint 19.1 and have to say I much prefer > it to Windows 10 and far less prone to malware. > > > Best regards > > Ian Norman > > Email: mailto:ian.norman at armoor.co.uk > Telephone: 01643 888181 > > On 14/04/2019 21:53, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: >> Yes, you are right, a whole day of silence! That's because I wiped my >> HD yesterday and have now re-filled it! I began to notice that things >> weren't working normally a couple of weeks ago when I clicked on, eg. >> ,'remove USB device safely' and then, normally, you got another note >> telling you that you could now remove said USB device safely. The >> second note didn't appear but the USB plug-in wasn't listed in 'My >> Computer'. Then I noticed that the Malwarebytes icon had disappeared >> but the program was still in my Program Files folder. When I clicked >> on the application I got 'Windows can't find the application' >> although I was looking at it! So I erased the whole HD and started >> again!? Cheers, Dave. >> >> > From bernie833 at gmail.com Mon Apr 15 06:21:10 2019 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2019 12:21:10 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Printers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8a931d5e-1df1-0fa7-12d2-ca2149bac0a2@gmail.com> I've owned an Epson L355 printer/scanner/copier for several years now, so feel it's been around enough to recommend it. It has Linux drivers for those who need them, and it uses real bottles of ink. The machine costs more up front but the ink lasts a very long time, even when you are printing 30 x 5 instruction pages and 30 x 3 glossy high quality camera model pages. They seem to have hardly touched it.? And the ink is cheap. B On 15/04/2019 12:09, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: > Thanks Ian, I am using W7. I have got Linux Mint on another drive and > I like it, but the problem is that Canon don't support Linux very well > and I need drivers. I can get one for my printer but the scanner is > very difficult! Cheers, Dave > > On 15/04/2019 09:56, ian.norman--- via Tech1 wrote: >> Dear Dave, >> >> I recently switched to Linux Mint 19.1 and have to say I much prefer >> it to Windows 10 and far less prone to malware. >> >> >> Best regards >> >> Ian Norman >> >> Email: mailto:ian.norman at armoor.co.uk >> Telephone: 01643 888181 >> >> On 14/04/2019 21:53, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: >>> Yes, you are right, a whole day of silence! That's because I wiped >>> my HD yesterday and have now re-filled it! I began to notice that >>> things weren't working normally a couple of weeks ago when I clicked >>> on, eg. ,'remove USB device safely' and then, normally, you got >>> another note telling you that you could now remove said USB device >>> safely. The second note didn't appear but the USB plug-in wasn't >>> listed in 'My Computer'. Then I noticed that the Malwarebytes icon >>> had disappeared but the program was still in my Program Files >>> folder. When I clicked on the application I got 'Windows can't find >>> the application' although I was looking at it! So I erased the whole >>> HD and started again!? Cheers, Dave. >>> >>> >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graeme.wall at icloud.com Mon Apr 15 06:32:34 2019 From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall) Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2019 12:32:34 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Viriiiiii In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Do Gutenprint do one? ? Graeme Wall > On 15 Apr 2019, at 12:09, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: > > Thanks Ian, I am using W7. I have got Linux Mint on another drive and I like it, but the problem is that Canon don't support Linux very well and I need drivers. I can get one for my printer but the scanner is very difficult! Cheers, Dave > > On 15/04/2019 09:56, ian.norman--- via Tech1 wrote: >> Dear Dave, >> >> I recently switched to Linux Mint 19.1 and have to say I much prefer it to Windows 10 and far less prone to malware. >> >> >> Best regards >> >> Ian Norman >> >> Email: mailto:ian.norman at armoor.co.uk >> Telephone: 01643 888181 >> >> On 14/04/2019 21:53, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: >>> Yes, you are right, a whole day of silence! That's because I wiped my HD yesterday and have now re-filled it! I began to notice that things weren't working normally a couple of weeks ago when I clicked on, eg. ,'remove USB device safely' and then, normally, you got another note telling you that you could now remove said USB device safely. The second note didn't appear but the USB plug-in wasn't listed in 'My Computer'. Then I noticed that the Malwarebytes icon had disappeared but the program was still in my Program Files folder. When I clicked on the application I got 'Windows can't find the application' although I was looking at it! So I erased the whole HD and started again! Cheers, Dave. >>> >>> >> > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk Mon Apr 15 07:02:42 2019 From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf) Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2019 13:02:42 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Printers In-Reply-To: <8a931d5e-1df1-0fa7-12d2-ca2149bac0a2@gmail.com> References: <8a931d5e-1df1-0fa7-12d2-ca2149bac0a2@gmail.com> Message-ID: Inkjet printers are a wonderful example of "headline price" versus "real cost".? Suckers went for the cheap machine and never calculated the real cost. Epson eventually realised that the market for ripping people off with high-priced ink cartridges was effectively blown - too many "compatibles" that found ways to get round the security schemes Epson could put into place. So they gave up and started charging what the machine actually cost instead of making it a loss-leader that won the profits back by overcharging a few 1000% on the inks. Customers rarely worked out that they had paid astronomic sums on ~running~ the printers till quite late on. Very often it is worth dumping a perfectly functioning machine (which always goes against the grain) and saving money by buying something that runs at 10% of the cost. I concur with Sir Bernard. Chris Woolf On 15/04/2019 12:21, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: > I've owned an Epson L355 printer/scanner/copier for several years now, > so feel it's been around enough to recommend it. It has Linux drivers > for those who need them, and it uses real bottles of ink. > > The machine costs more up front but the ink lasts a very long time, > even when you are printing 30 x 5 instruction pages and 30 x 3 glossy > high quality camera model pages. They seem to have hardly touched it.? > And the ink is cheap. > > B > > > > > On 15/04/2019 12:09, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: >> Thanks Ian, I am using W7. I have got Linux Mint on another drive and >> I like it, but the problem is that Canon don't support Linux very >> well and I need drivers. I can get one for my printer but the scanner >> is very difficult! Cheers, Dave >> >> On 15/04/2019 09:56, ian.norman--- via Tech1 wrote: >>> Dear Dave, >>> >>> I recently switched to Linux Mint 19.1 and have to say I much prefer >>> it to Windows 10 and far less prone to malware. >>> >>> >>> Best regards >>> >>> Ian Norman >>> >>> Email: mailto:ian.norman at armoor.co.uk >>> Telephone: 01643 888181 >>> >>> On 14/04/2019 21:53, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: >>>> Yes, you are right, a whole day of silence! That's because I wiped >>>> my HD yesterday and have now re-filled it! I began to notice that >>>> things weren't working normally a couple of weeks ago when I >>>> clicked on, eg. ,'remove USB device safely' and then, normally, you >>>> got another note telling you that you could now remove said USB >>>> device safely. The second note didn't appear but the USB plug-in >>>> wasn't listed in 'My Computer'. Then I noticed that the >>>> Malwarebytes icon had disappeared but the program was still in my >>>> Program Files folder. When I clicked on the application I got >>>> 'Windows can't find the application' although I was looking at it! >>>> So I erased the whole HD and started again!? Cheers, Dave. >>>> >>>> >>> >> > > --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave at davesound.co.uk Mon Apr 15 07:30:57 2019 From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman) Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2019 13:30:57 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Celebrity Quiz Shows In-Reply-To: <5cb3ab17.1c69fb81.8c641.f02e@mx.google.com> References: <5cb3ab17.1c69fb81.8c641.f02e@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <57a518dff2dave@davesound.co.uk> Didn't take me long, working in TV, to discover celebs are just human after all. Or at least some. In article <5cb3ab17.1c69fb81.8c641.f02e at mx.google.com>, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > OK, so I watch crap TV. The ?Celebrity? versions of pap quiz shows > rather amuse me, as I find it difficult to understand how ignorant the > ?celebrity? contestants are! Without a script, they are helpless, and > hopeless. Pat > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus -- *CAN AN ATHEIST GET INSURANCE AGAINST ACTS OF GOD? Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From dave at davesound.co.uk Mon Apr 15 07:38:40 2019 From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman) Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2019 13:38:40 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Printers In-Reply-To: References: <8a931d5e-1df1-0fa7-12d2-ca2149bac0a2@gmail.com> Message-ID: <57a5199546dave@davesound.co.uk> In article , Chris Woolf via Tech1 wrote: > Customers rarely worked out that they had paid astronomic sums on > ~running~ the printers till quite late on. Really? I sussed that out with my first colour printer in the early 90s. Used to re-fill the carts. But most domestic ink jet printers don't last that long anyway. Even with my light use, I'd say about 5 years or so. The ink does seem to have improved in some ways. If taking a letter to the post and it is raining, they no longer seem to smudge as easily. -- *Gun Control: Use both hands. Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From graeme.wall at icloud.com Mon Apr 15 07:50:16 2019 From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall) Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2019 13:50:16 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Printers In-Reply-To: References: <8a931d5e-1df1-0fa7-12d2-ca2149bac0a2@gmail.com> Message-ID: <028E2623-9355-4B9E-84EE-E868A45F8171@icloud.com> I?ve gone over to a laser printer, I don?t print stuff very often and even a decent inkjet was using more ink cleaning the nozzles than actually printing. So, anyone want a Canon IP4300? ? Graeme Wall > On 15 Apr 2019, at 13:02, Chris Woolf via Tech1 wrote: > > Inkjet printers are a wonderful example of "headline price" versus "real cost". Suckers went for the cheap machine and never calculated the real cost. > > Epson eventually realised that the market for ripping people off with high-priced ink cartridges was effectively blown - too many "compatibles" that found ways to get round the security schemes Epson could put into place. So they gave up and started charging what the machine actually cost instead of making it a loss-leader that won the profits back by overcharging a few 1000% on the inks. > > Customers rarely worked out that they had paid astronomic sums on ~running~ the printers till quite late on. Very often it is worth dumping a perfectly functioning machine (which always goes against the grain) and saving money by buying something that runs at 10% of the cost. > > I concur with Sir Bernard. > > Chris Woolf > > On 15/04/2019 12:21, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: >> I've owned an Epson L355 printer/scanner/copier for several years now, so feel it's been around enough to recommend it. It has Linux drivers for those who need them, and it uses real bottles of ink. >> >> The machine costs more up front but the ink lasts a very long time, even when you are printing 30 x 5 instruction pages and 30 x 3 glossy high quality camera model pages. They seem to have hardly touched it. And the ink is cheap. >> >> B >> >> >> >> >> On 15/04/2019 12:09, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: >>> Thanks Ian, I am using W7. I have got Linux Mint on another drive and I like it, but the problem is that Canon don't support Linux very well and I need drivers. I can get one for my printer but the scanner is very difficult! Cheers, Dave >>> >>> On 15/04/2019 09:56, ian.norman--- via Tech1 wrote: >>>> Dear Dave, >>>> >>>> I recently switched to Linux Mint 19.1 and have to say I much prefer it to Windows 10 and far less prone to malware. >>>> >>>> >>>> Best regards >>>> >>>> Ian Norman >>>> >>>> Email: mailto:ian.norman at armoor.co.uk >>>> Telephone: 01643 888181 >>>> >>>> On 14/04/2019 21:53, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: >>>>> Yes, you are right, a whole day of silence! That's because I wiped my HD yesterday and have now re-filled it! I began to notice that things weren't working normally a couple of weeks ago when I clicked on, eg. ,'remove USB device safely' and then, normally, you got another note telling you that you could now remove said USB device safely. The second note didn't appear but the USB plug-in wasn't listed in 'My Computer'. Then I noticed that the Malwarebytes icon had disappeared but the program was still in my Program Files folder. When I clicked on the application I got 'Windows can't find the application' although I was looking at it! So I erased the whole HD and started again! Cheers, Dave. >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >> >> > > > Virus-free. www.avast.com > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From pat.heigham at amps.net Mon Apr 15 07:55:30 2019 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2019 13:55:30 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Celebrity Quiz Shows In-Reply-To: <57a518dff2dave@davesound.co.uk> References: <5cb3ab17.1c69fb81.8c641.f02e@mx.google.com> <57a518dff2dave@davesound.co.uk> Message-ID: <5cb47f42.1c69fb81.243c3.99da@mx.google.com> I suppose I?m getting old and not keeping up, but most of the ?celebs? I?ve never heard of! Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Dave Plowman via Tech1 Sent: 15 April 2019 13:41 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Celebrity Quiz Shows Didn't take me long, working in TV, to discover celebs are just human after all. Or at least some. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk Mon Apr 15 08:00:02 2019 From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf) Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2019 14:00:02 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Printers In-Reply-To: <57a5199546dave@davesound.co.uk> References: <8a931d5e-1df1-0fa7-12d2-ca2149bac0a2@gmail.com> <57a5199546dave@davesound.co.uk> Message-ID: <62365389-c79d-a686-f09d-0cf0f721e54c@chriswoolf.co.uk> If most customers had realised the true running costs of colour inkjets the loss-leader market wouldn't have existed. That it is only now running flat is a marker for how gullible the majority are. Look at how many people think Ryanair is good value;} Of course colour laser printers have also made enormous inroads into the same market. And much the same is going on there too. Many machines are now sub-?200 but a full set of toner cartridges can cost you the same again for a nominal 1000 pages. As you pay more for the machine the toner cost per page tends to drop significantly. Of course manufactures have more control over laser cartridges (with greater electronic security as well as mechanical complexity) than they do over inkjet ones. /Plus ?a change/. Chris Woolf On 15/04/2019 13:38, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: > In article , > Chris Woolf via Tech1 wrote: >> Customers rarely worked out that they had paid astronomic sums on >> ~running~ the printers till quite late on. > Really? I sussed that out with my first colour printer in the early 90s. > Used to re-fill the carts. But most domestic ink jet printers don't last > that long anyway. > > Even with my light use, I'd say about 5 years or so. > > The ink does seem to have improved in some ways. If taking a letter to the > post and it is raining, they no longer seem to smudge as easily. > --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From clementiart at gmail.com Mon Apr 15 10:03:30 2019 From: clementiart at gmail.com (Michael York) Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2019 16:03:30 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Printers Message-ID: I am interested in the printer discussion. I run two art groups and teach at another and print out A4 instruction sheets with an A5 colour picture at the top with text below. I have just checked and print about 1700 A4 sheets a year in total. Domestic printers don't stand up to this usage but from experience the canon Pixma range are as good as any. I usually get them from PC World and buy the three year instant replacement. I usually need it but I get through about two printers every five years costing me ?85 or about ?17 per year. Also the Canon will print on 300 gram Rough watercolour paper, not many will. I buy cheap cartridges from Natonal Inkjets and I spent ?42 last year for the 1700 A4 sheets. When my Canon fails would the Epson route be any cheaper overall and would it stand up to the pounding I give it? Mike York -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave at davesound.co.uk Mon Apr 15 10:23:28 2019 From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman) Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2019 16:23:28 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Celebrity Quiz Shows In-Reply-To: <5cb47f42.1c69fb81.243c3.99da@mx.google.com> References: <5cb3ab17.1c69fb81.8c641.f02e@mx.google.com> <57a518dff2dave@davesound.co.uk> <5cb47f42.1c69fb81.243c3.99da@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <57a528aacbdave@davesound.co.uk> Same here - especially the ones from 'reality' TV. Chosen for looks rather than talent. In article <5cb47f42.1c69fb81.243c3.99da at mx.google.com>, patheigham wrote: > I suppose I?m getting old and not keeping up, but most of the ?celebs? I?ve never heard of! > Pat > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > From: Dave Plowman via Tech1 > Sent: 15 April 2019 13:41 > To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > Subject: Re: [Tech1] Celebrity Quiz Shows > Didn't take me long, working in TV, to discover celebs are just human > after all. Or at least some. > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus -- *Beauty is in the eye of the beer holder * Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From rogerbunce at btinternet.com Mon Apr 15 11:41:55 2019 From: rogerbunce at btinternet.com (ROGER BUNCE) Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2019 16:41:55 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Tech1] Celebrity Quiz Shows In-Reply-To: <57a528aacbdave@davesound.co.uk> References: <5cb3ab17.1c69fb81.8c641.f02e@mx.google.com> <57a518dff2dave@davesound.co.uk> <5cb47f42.1c69fb81.243c3.99da@mx.google.com> <57a528aacbdave@davesound.co.uk> Message-ID: <1704962314.3366800.1555346516011@mail.yahoo.com> I notice on programmes like 'Pointless' they tend to introduce the "Celebrities" with a phrase like, "Of Course, we know you from 'Big Brother' or 'The Only Way is Essex'" or whatever, just so that those of us who've never heard of them can have a better understanding of why we've never heard of them - and feel smug about it! luv, Rog. On Monday, 15 April 2019, 16:36:33 BST, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: Same here - especially the ones from 'reality' TV. Chosen for looks rather than talent. In article <5cb47f42.1c69fb81.243c3.99da at mx.google.com>, ? patheigham wrote: > I suppose I?m getting old and not keeping up, but most of the ?celebs? I?ve never heard of! > Pat > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > From: Dave Plowman via Tech1 > Sent: 15 April 2019 13:41 > To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > Subject: Re: [Tech1] Celebrity Quiz Shows > Didn't take me long, working in TV, to discover celebs are just human > after all. Or at least some.? > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus -- *Beauty is in the eye of the beer holder * ? ? Dave Plowman? ? dave at davesound.co.uk? ? 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I think there might be several ways, but this tut told me to go to "Color", click on the "Power Window" (an area selector), shift the selector to the bit you want to pixelate, add a mosaic pixelator effect, click the? "Track" window, click track forward or back, or both. That's it, job done. I can do it in seconds now. See attached B -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Anyway, once you know how, it takes just few seconds. I used a YouTube tutorial that actually got on with the job and didn't witter for ten minutes first. I think there might be several ways, but this tut told me to go to "Color", click on the "Power Window" (an area selector), shift the selector to the bit you want to pixelate, add a mosaic pixelator effect, click the "Track" window, click track forward or back, or both. That's it, job done. I can do it in seconds now. See attached B -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graeme.wall at icloud.com Wed Apr 17 05:28:54 2019 From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall) Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2019 11:28:54 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Pixelating faces In-Reply-To: References: <633c1024-d0bf-a673-4b10-7811fb133e0a@gmail.com> Message-ID: <8D33B37F-FA02-45BB-ACC7-EC30CAFFDA19@icloud.com> Not convince that would work, Google street-view anonymises faces but my daughter-in-law still identified me on a street in Guildford! Fortunately I wasn?t just coming out of the pub ? Graeme Wall > On 17 Apr 2019, at 11:10, Mike Jordan via Tech1 wrote: > > Can you offer this service (the foggy version) for pictures posted in the Tech Ops site after the gathering last week so us old faced people can be anonymised with our saggy faces or were telling the other half we were out working? > > Mike > > From: Bernard Newnham via Tech1 > Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2019 10:49 AM > To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > Subject: [Tech1] Pixelating faces > > Someone asked a while back about how this is done. I knew it was easy these days, but I hadn't done it since it was difficult, long ago. I'm trying to get properly familiar with free Da Vinci Resolve, so it's a bit of an exercise . > > Anyway, once you know how, it takes just few seconds. I used a YouTube tutorial that actually got on with the job and didn't witter for ten minutes first. I think there might be several ways, but this tut told me to go to "Color", click on the "Power Window" (an area selector), shift the selector to the bit you want to pixelate, add a mosaic pixelator effect, click the "Track" window, click track forward or back, or both. That's it, job done. I can do it in seconds now. See attached > > B > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From bernie833 at gmail.com Wed Apr 17 05:51:10 2019 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2019 11:51:10 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Pixelating faces In-Reply-To: References: <633c1024-d0bf-a673-4b10-7811fb133e0a@gmail.com> Message-ID: Oh - and - /*Trouble with Windows 10 ?? Reasonably priced consultation available!*/ B On 17/04/2019 11:10, Mike Jordan wrote: > Can you offer this service (the foggy version) for pictures posted in > the Tech Ops site after the gathering last week so us old faced people > can be anonymised with our saggy faces or were telling the other half > we were out working? > Mike > *From:* Bernard Newnham via Tech1 > *Sent:* Wednesday, April 17, 2019 10:49 AM > *To:* tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > *Subject:* [Tech1] Pixelating faces > Someone asked a while back about how this is done.? I knew it was easy > these days, but I hadn't done it since it was difficult, long ago. I'm > trying to get properly familiar with free Da Vinci Resolve, so it's a > bit of an exercise . > > Anyway, once you know how, it takes just few seconds. I used a YouTube > tutorial that actually got on with the job and didn't witter for ten > minutes first.? I think there might be several ways, but this tut told > me to go to "Color", click on the "Power Window" (an area selector), > shift the selector to the bit you want to pixelate, add a mosaic > pixelator effect, click the? "Track" window, click track forward or > back, or both. That's it, job done. I can do it in seconds now. See > attached > > B > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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From: Mike Jordan via Tech1 Sent: 17 April 2019 12:05 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk; Bernard Newnham Subject: Re: [Tech1] Pixelating faces As they say in police station criminal interview shows ?No comment? ? Thanks though ? Mike ? From: Bernard Newnham Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2019 11:51 AM To: Mike Jordan ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Pixelating faces ? Oh - and - Trouble with Windows 10 ?? Reasonably priced consultation available! B --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: C92C1A631F5A4EB0A253CB3288201916.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 93901 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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(OK, we aren?t Tatler). Perhaps someone would like to add white whiskers to this mugshot of me, Then I would feel a bit more entitled to attend the lunches! Pat (Still clean shaven and looking a deal less than 76!) From: Mike Jordan via Tech1 Sent: 17 April 2019 12:05 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk ; Bernard Newnham Subject: Re: [Tech1] Pixelating faces As they say in police station criminal interview shows ?No comment? Thanks though Mike From: Bernard Newnham Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2019 11:51 AM To: Mike Jordan ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Pixelating faces Oh - and - Trouble with Windows 10 ? Reasonably priced consultation available! B Virus-free. www.avast.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I?m sure I would recognize names, but the pics ? no way! Yes ? a great deal of work for the photographer, but it?s managed for Tatler!! (OK, we aren?t Tatler). Perhaps someone would like to add white whiskers to this mugshot of me, Then I would feel a bit more entitled to attend the lunches! Pat (Still clean shaven and looking a deal less than 76!) From: Mike Jordan via Tech1 Sent: 17 April 2019 12:05 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk; Bernard Newnham Subject: Re: [Tech1] Pixelating faces As they say in police station criminal interview shows ?No comment? Thanks though Mike -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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(OK, we aren?t Tatler). > > > > > > Perhaps someone would like to add white whiskers to this mugshot of me, > > Then I would feel a bit more entitled to attend the lunches! > > > > Pat (Still clean shaven and looking a deal less than 76!) > > > > > > > > *From: *Mike Jordan via Tech1 > *Sent: *17 April 2019 12:05 > *To: *tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk; Bernard Newnham > *Subject: *Re: [Tech1] Pixelating faces > > > > As they say in police station criminal interview shows ?No comment? > > > > Thanks though > > > > Mike > > > > *From:* Bernard Newnham > > *Sent:* Wednesday, April 17, 2019 11:51 AM > > *To:* Mike Jordan ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > > *Subject:* Re: [Tech1] Pixelating faces > > > > [image: cid:4FE730667F404154BC67B38FFA57C118 at Gigabyte] > > Oh - and - *Trouble with Windows 10 ? Reasonably priced consultation > available!* > > B > > > > > Virus-free. > www.avast.com > > <#m_1497129850253787585_DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: C92C1A631F5A4EB0A253CB3288201916.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 93901 bytes Desc: not available URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Wed Apr 17 13:39:58 2019 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2019 19:39:58 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Celebrity Quiz Shows In-Reply-To: <1704962314.3366800.1555346516011@mail.yahoo.com> References: <5cb3ab17.1c69fb81.8c641.f02e@mx.google.com> <57a518dff2dave@davesound.co.uk> <5cb47f42.1c69fb81.243c3.99da@mx.google.com> <57a528aacbdave@davesound.co.uk> <1704962314.3366800.1555346516011@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5cb772ff.1c69fb81.9f406.4299@mx.google.com> We?ve not heard of them because we fall into the audience of being ?too old? and not interested in the ?popular? fodder that?s fed to the masses. I guess that the programme controllers are themselves young. Years ago, before I left the BBC in 1968, I was drafted as Grams Op to a programme made at Riverside, using mute footage from Attenborough?s earlier Wildlife filming. With four turntables and whatever the gram library had available, I attempted to dub some sound onto the extracts. Attenborough was pleased, and bought me a beer in the Chancellors (Studio 3 opposite). He had just been appointed Controller BBC2, and I congratulated him on that. But, he said, ?I would much rather be out in the field, making wildlife films ? which of course, he went back to, with great acclaim. Another example of mismanagement? (Who was it who said: ? If the BBC didn?t have to produce programmes ? it would run on oiled wheels!?) I would like to see an episode where MP?s are the ?celebs? ?Pointless Politicians? has a certain satirical ring! But I must not denigrate the Corp because it offered me a superb training which stood me in good stead for my later career, and I really enjoyed my time at TVC. Worked on some lovely programmes and with brilliant directors. Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 Sent: 15 April 2019 17:42 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Celebrity Quiz Shows I notice on programmes like 'Pointless' they tend to introduce the "Celebrities" with a phrase like, "Of Course, we know you from 'Big Brother' or 'The Only Way is Essex'" or whatever, just so that those of us who've never heard of them can have a better understanding of why we've never heard of them - and feel smug about it! luv, Rog. On Monday, 15 April 2019, 16:36:33 BST, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: Same here - especially the ones from 'reality' TV. Chosen for looks rather than talent. In article <5cb47f42.1c69fb81.243c3.99da at mx.google.com>, ? patheigham wrote: > I suppose I?m getting old and not keeping up, but most of the ?celebs? I?ve never heard of! > Pat > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > From: Dave Plowman via Tech1 > Sent: 15 April 2019 13:41 > To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > Subject: Re: [Tech1] Celebrity Quiz Shows > Didn't take me long, working in TV, to discover celebs are just human > after all. Or at least some.? --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Wed Apr 17 13:43:17 2019 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2019 19:43:17 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Faces Message-ID: <7ff13b34-1cbc-aa5f-2dac-4a5d33398523@btinternet.com> What I,and many others, would appreciate, I'm sure, are photos to go with the all too commomn obituaries. I know so many people by sight but have no idea of their full BBC names. For instance the latest rigger driver Terry Hearn, who I must have worked with, but can't recall his face. I know from my personal involvement with the Hillsborough enquiry that the BBC 'HR' (ie. personnel) department were less then helpful to a very important investigation in regards to staff info. Cheers, Dave From pat.heigham at amps.net Wed Apr 17 13:43:48 2019 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2019 19:43:48 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Pixelating faces In-Reply-To: References: <633c1024-d0bf-a673-4b10-7811fb133e0a@gmail.com> <01675C062DDF4B7697E8A74D3E219A8F@Gigabyte> <5cb76b91.1c69fb81.dab9e.822c@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <5cb773e5.1c69fb81.4b329.1b26@mx.google.com> Except I do not have the score to put the names to faces! Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Bernard Newnham Sent: 17 April 2019 19:34 To: pat.heigham Cc: Mike Jordan; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Pixelating faces Given that I am mostly the photographer, and the creator of the webpages, I'd like to say that if you want any more you can sing it yourself B On Wed, 17 Apr 2019, 19:08 patheigham, wrote: Rather than fuzzing out faces, I would love to have names to the images. I?m sure I would recognize names, but the pics ? no way! Yes ? a great deal of work for the photographer, but it?s managed for Tatler!! (OK, we aren?t Tatler). ? ? Perhaps someone would like to add white whiskers to this mugshot of me, Then I would feel a bit more entitled to attend the lunches! ? Pat (Still clean shaven and looking a deal less than 76!) ? ? ? From: Mike Jordan via Tech1 Sent: 17 April 2019 12:05 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk; Bernard Newnham Subject: Re: [Tech1] Pixelating faces ? As they say in police station criminal interview shows ?No comment? ? Thanks though ? Mike ? From: Bernard Newnham Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2019 11:51 AM To: Mike Jordan ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Pixelating faces ? Oh - and - Trouble with Windows 10 ?? Reasonably priced consultation available! B ? Virus-free. www.avast.com --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: C92C1A631F5A4EB0A253CB3288201916.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 93901 bytes Desc: not available URL: From bernie833 at gmail.com Thu Apr 18 03:35:42 2019 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2019 09:35:42 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Pixelating faces In-Reply-To: <5cb773e5.1c69fb81.4b329.1b26@mx.google.com> References: <633c1024-d0bf-a673-4b10-7811fb133e0a@gmail.com> <01675C062DDF4B7697E8A74D3E219A8F@Gigabyte> <5cb76b91.1c69fb81.dab9e.822c@mx.google.com> <5cb773e5.1c69fb81.4b329.1b26@mx.google.com> Message-ID: I'm sure people will help you with the research B On 17/04/2019 19:43, patheigham wrote: > > Except I do not have the score to put the names to faces! > > Pat > > Sent from Mail for > Windows 10 > > *From: *Bernard Newnham > *Sent: *17 April 2019 19:34 > *To: *pat.heigham > *Cc: *Mike Jordan ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > > *Subject: *Re: [Tech1] Pixelating faces > > Given that I am mostly the photographer, and the creator of the > webpages, I'd like to say that if you want any more you can sing it > yourself > > B > > On Wed, 17 Apr 2019, 19:08 patheigham, > wrote: > > Rather than fuzzing out faces, I would love to have names to the > images. > > I?m sure I would recognize names, but the pics ? no way! > > Yes ? a great deal of work for the photographer, but it?s managed for > > Tatler!! (OK, we aren?t Tatler). > > Perhaps someone would like to add white whiskers to this mugshot > of me, > > Then I would feel a bit more entitled to attend the lunches! > > Pat (Still clean shaven and looking a deal less than 76!) > > cid:image001.jpg at 01D4F550.7EF6A870 > > *From: *Mike Jordan via Tech1 > *Sent: *17 April 2019 12:05 > *To: *tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk ; Bernard > Newnham > *Subject: *Re: [Tech1] Pixelating faces > > As they say in police station criminal interview shows ?No comment? > > Thanks though > > Mike > > *From:*Bernard Newnham > > *Sent:*Wednesday, April 17, 2019 11:51 AM > > *To:*Mike Jordan ; > tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > > *Subject:*Re: [Tech1] Pixelating faces > > > > Oh - and - */Trouble with Windows 10 ? Reasonably priced > consultation available!/* > > B > > https://ipmcdn.avast.com/images/icons/icon-envelope-tick-round-orange-animated-no-repeat-v1.gif > > > > > Virus-free. www.avast.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bernie833 at gmail.com Thu Apr 18 03:42:54 2019 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2019 09:42:54 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Bird box cam Message-ID: It's birdbox time again, though not worth streaming yet.. This year some wool packaging - from Fish For Thought - was protecting seedlings just below the box. Some has migrated here over the past few weeks.? I think I can see six, maybe seven, eggs at the moment. They're right at the back of the box some slightly out of shot. Sadly can't move the camera! Picture from ordinary indoor webcam via free OBS studio. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <0f8dd11d-d166-e844-ff2e-7f9efb7c0d3f@howell61.f9.co.uk> References: <0f8dd11d-d166-e844-ff2e-7f9efb7c0d3f@howell61.f9.co.uk> Message-ID: <5cb8b199.1c69fb81.30c5a.3626@mx.google.com> Worth reporting this to Action Fraud UK, which is an offshoot of the Metropolitan Police. While they probably can?t do much about it, they can at least warn people not to fall for it via their newsletters on Neighbourhood Watch. Some of the stories where folks have been conned are horrendous, sometimes thousands of pounds involved, where bank details have been passed over. It?s bewildering how gullible people can be. I?d like the TV licensing one to tackle me, as I have a free licence owing to advanced age! I recently intercepted a phone call (usually let the machine pick it up), but this was from a mobile number, which I didn?t recognize but we have contractors who service various matters on our development, so I picked up. The Asian accented voice said he was calling about my problem with my Internet. I informed him that there was NO problem, and put down the phone. I?m tempted to issue the Foxtrot Oscar invite! If Caller Display shows ?Withheld? or ?International? the answer machine picks up, but the call is very quickly dropped. A genuine friend or colleague calling will always leave a message. Simples!! Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: John Howell via Tech1 Sent: 18 April 2019 17:56 To: TechOps Forum Subject: [Tech1] Another scam. Watch out for this new one: John H. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: jjlpdejngdgcfggm.png Type: image/png Size: 37131 bytes Desc: not available URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Thu Apr 18 12:22:48 2019 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2019 18:22:48 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Bird box cam In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5cb8b26c.1c69fb81.1ac49.21b2@mx.google.com> Something fascinating to look forward to ? good for you, Bernie. Hope it doesn?t end in the disaster like last year. Any idea of the species? Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Bernard Newnham via Tech1 Sent: 18 April 2019 09:43 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: [Tech1] Bird box cam It's birdbox time again, though not worth streaming yet.. This year some wool packaging - from Fish For Thought - was protecting seedlings just below the box. Some has migrated here over the past few weeks.? I think I can see six, maybe seven, eggs at the moment. They're right at the back of the box some slightly out of shot. Sadly can't move the camera! Picture from ordinary indoor webcam via free OBS studio. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: jhgnfopjiojmdcmp.png Type: image/png Size: 1114263 bytes Desc: not available URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Thu Apr 18 12:40:16 2019 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2019 18:40:16 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Valuation shows Message-ID: <5cb8b681.1c69fb81.7a0cd.a75a@mx.google.com> OK, I?m feeling chatty! Like watching Antiques Road Show, and Flog It! The point about the latter is that the items valued are actually put to the hammer. Would love to see ARS do the same, especially with some of the faint-inducing values sometimes given ? would be good to see them coming true. But I wonder if the items on Flog It! might not realise a better price if placed with a large London auction house rather than the smaller provincial ones. To illustrate my point.... I had an inherited Welsh Dresser to dispose of as it was costing money in storage, and I couldn?t envisage ever using it. I had had a valuation, by photos, from Bonhams and Christies, but put it to a local auctioneers in Dorking, with a reserve of ?1500. It didn?t go, so I bit the bullet and paid ?50 for transport to London, where it obtained the reserve. OK, there was commission and VAT to come off, but it was much better than local. Hopefully it?s gracing a rustic country kitchen somewhere in the Shires! Best Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Thu Apr 18 12:44:55 2019 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2019 18:44:55 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Pixelating faces In-Reply-To: References: <633c1024-d0bf-a673-4b10-7811fb133e0a@gmail.com> <01675C062DDF4B7697E8A74D3E219A8F@Gigabyte> <5cb76b91.1c69fb81.dab9e.822c@mx.google.com> <5cb773e5.1c69fb81.4b329.1b26@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <5cb8b798.1c69fb81.814f9.f7a9@mx.google.com> Maybe attendees could view the splendid photos and attach to a reply with the addition of their names if they are in a shot! Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Bernard Newnham Sent: 18 April 2019 09:35 To: patheigham Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Pixelating faces I'm sure people will help you with the research B On 17/04/2019 19:43, patheigham wrote: Except I do not have the score to put the names to faces! ? Pat ? Sent from Mail for Windows 10 ? From: Bernard Newnham Sent: 17 April 2019 19:34 To: pat.heigham Cc: Mike Jordan; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Pixelating faces ? Given that I am mostly the photographer, and the creator of the webpages, I'd like to say that if you want any more you can sing it yourself ? B ? On Wed, 17 Apr 2019, 19:08 patheigham, wrote: Rather than fuzzing out faces, I would love to have names to the images. I?m sure I would recognize names, but the pics ? no way! Yes ? a great deal of work for the photographer, but it?s managed for Tatler!! (OK, we aren?t Tatler). ? ? Perhaps someone would like to add white whiskers to this mugshot of me, Then I would feel a bit more entitled to attend the lunches! ? Pat (Still clean shaven and looking a deal less than 76!) ? ? ? From: Mike Jordan via Tech1 Sent: 17 April 2019 12:05 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk; Bernard Newnham Subject: Re: [Tech1] Pixelating faces ? As they say in police station criminal interview shows ?No comment? ? Thanks though ? Mike ? From: Bernard Newnham Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2019 11:51 AM To: Mike Jordan ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Pixelating faces ? Oh - and - Trouble with Windows 10 ?? Reasonably priced consultation available! B ? ? Virus-free. www.avast.com ? ? --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com Thu Apr 18 13:00:39 2019 From: ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com (Albert Barber) Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2019 19:00:39 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Spool Message-ID: Dear Pat I just have to thank you once more for the split spool. It reminds me of my film department days at Ealing and Dubbing Theatre Y at TVC with Alan Dykes. Who would have thought that it could give me so much pleasure. Very best wishes Albert From pat.heigham at amps.net Thu Apr 18 13:24:15 2019 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2019 19:24:15 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Painful knees In-Reply-To: <748905929.28900091.1554574758868@mail.yahoo.com> References: <748905929.28900091.1554574758868@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5cb8c0d0.1c69fb81.b4e1a.ed7b@mx.google.com> I assume you are only referring to Sound Supervisors, who have a chair in front of the desk! As a film/Betacam recordist, I was usually kneeling behind the camera, occasionally perched on an equipment case, so my knees suffered. Attached is a birthday card cartoon, drawn for me by a very good friend, which clearly shows me kneeling! Sadly the artist went in for a routine knee op. but suffered an aneurism, which killed him. Incidentally, I notice that many of my sound colleagues now wear hearing aids as they have got progressively deaf. So do cameramen go blind? Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 Sent: 06 April 2019 19:19 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Painful knees Since when were Sound Men allowed to have painful knees? Don't you lot sit down all day? It's us standing-up folk who get painful knees! Most of my Camera colleagues suffered back problems, but I never did. That's 'cos I was a goody-two-shoes who always remembered the rule that, when lifting heavy weights, always bend your knees not your back. The result of all that obedient behaviour is that my back is fine - but my knees are agony! --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 6A90404281B2423CBCF65DE54F093B9F.gif Type: image/gif Size: 38530 bytes Desc: not available URL: From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Fri Apr 19 04:15:36 2019 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2019 10:15:36 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Yet another scam! Message-ID: New to my house, two days running - 'Customs and Excise are building a case against us, press 1 to connect to your case officer'. HMRC know about this one but it's the first time I have met it. Frighteningly, my wife was really worried about it until I explained things! Cheers, Dave From jpbarlow at btopenworld.com Fri Apr 19 04:59:00 2019 From: jpbarlow at btopenworld.com (jpbarlow at btopenworld.com) Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2019 10:59:00 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Another scam. In-Reply-To: <5cb8b199.1c69fb81.30c5a.3626@mx.google.com> References: <0f8dd11d-d166-e844-ff2e-7f9efb7c0d3f@howell61.f9.co.uk> <5cb8b199.1c69fb81.30c5a.3626@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <013701d4f696$839319d0$8ab94d70$@btopenworld.com> I had a call a few days back from BT explaining that as my broadband contract was nearing its completion they were offering a ?free upgrade? to their latest fibre connection (but copper into house) with a new router etc. if I would sign up for another 18 months with BT. Having no idea that contract was expiring anyway and with assurance that monthly debits would remain fixed I said go ahead. I was told that the router and welcome pack might take a few days. No information sought or offered. Yesterday I received a call from HSBC checking that I had authorised a new Direct Debit to BT. !Yes? I agreed that I had and ?was there a problem??. ?No problem, but could I supply the IB number of my on-line account?? I refused and then pressure was exerted but I still refused. Down at my local HSBC I enquired about this and it became clear that this was a two part scam! And rather sophisticated too. Be aware JohnB From: Tech1 On Behalf Of patheigham via Tech1 Sent: 18 April 2019 18:19 To: John Howell ; TechOps Forum Subject: Re: [Tech1] Another scam. Worth reporting this to Action Fraud UK, which is an offshoot of the Metropolitan Police. While they probably can?t do much about it, they can at least warn people not to fall for it via their newsletters on Neighbourhood Watch. Some of the stories where folks have been conned are horrendous, sometimes thousands of pounds involved, where bank details have been passed over. It?s bewildering how gullible people can be. I?d like the TV licensing one to tackle me, as I have a free licence owing to advanced age! I recently intercepted a phone call (usually let the machine pick it up), but this was from a mobile number, which I didn?t recognize but we have contractors who service various matters on our development, so I picked up. The Asian accented voice said he was calling about my problem with my Internet. I informed him that there was NO problem, and put down the phone. I?m tempted to issue the Foxtrot Oscar invite! If Caller Display shows ?Withheld? or ?International? the answer machine picks up, but the call is very quickly dropped. A genuine friend or colleague calling will always leave a message. Simples!! Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: John Howell via Tech1 Sent: 18 April 2019 17:56 To: TechOps Forum Subject: [Tech1] Another scam. Watch out for this new one: John H. Virus-free. www.avast.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <013701d4f696$839319d0$8ab94d70$@btopenworld.com> References: <0f8dd11d-d166-e844-ff2e-7f9efb7c0d3f@howell61.f9.co.uk> <5cb8b199.1c69fb81.30c5a.3626@mx.google.com> <013701d4f696$839319d0$8ab94d70$@btopenworld.com> Message-ID: <57a7240fcedave@davesound.co.uk> In article <013701d4f696$839319d0$8ab94d70$@btopenworld.com>, jpbarlow--- via Tech1 wrote: > I had a call a few days back from BT explaining that as my broadband > contract was nearing its completion they were offering a ?free upgrade? > to their latest fibre connection (but copper into house) with a new > router etc. if I would sign up for another 18 months with BT. > > Having no idea that contract was expiring anyway and with assurance that > monthly debits would remain fixed I said go ahead. I was told that the > router and welcome pack might take a few days. No information sought or > offered. > > Yesterday I received a call from HSBC checking that I had authorised a > new Direct Debit to BT. !Yes? I agreed that I had and ?was there a > problem??. ?No problem, but could I supply the IB number of my on-line > account?? > > I refused and then pressure was exerted but I still refused. > > Down at my local HSBC I enquired about this and it became clear that > this was a two part scam! And rather sophisticated too. Isn't the whole idea of a DD that it is the company who sets it up? Without you needing to do anything? But because of this, it can't be used for a scam. As it is only available to reputable companies, and if they tried it on you'll get a quick refund. Are you certain the free offer wasn't just to waive any initial set up fee? When I went to Infinity and got BT TV - all on a trial basis - I got the free router and installation, and a BT Humax PVR box too - needed for BT TV. But the monthly rental went up - as you'd expect. Depending on the deal, it's possible they give you a trial period at the same rental as before. 3 months or whatever. -- *How about "never"? Is "never" good for you? Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From dave at davesound.co.uk Fri Apr 19 06:47:04 2019 From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman) Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2019 12:47:04 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Yet another scam! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <57a7243422dave@davesound.co.uk> In article , dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: > New to my house, two days running - 'Customs and Excise are building a > case against us, press 1 to connect to your case officer'. HMRC know > about this one but it's the first time I have met it. Frighteningly, my > wife was really worried about it until I explained things! Cheers, Dave Get a call blocker. Only genuine callers will bother trying to get around it. -- *I don't suffer from insanity -- I'm a carrier Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Fri Apr 19 08:58:04 2019 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2019 14:58:04 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Yet another scam! In-Reply-To: <57a7243422dave@davesound.co.uk> References: <57a7243422dave@davesound.co.uk> Message-ID: I block each call individually on my DECT handset but they keep changing the number. The other day I got a new scam call to say that 'my call blocker was out of date!' Cheers, Dave From j at howell61.f9.co.uk Fri Apr 19 10:28:48 2019 From: j at howell61.f9.co.uk (John Howell) Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2019 16:28:48 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Charging Electric Vehicle Batteries Message-ID: <075c1535-b9aa-f725-dd93-fd937f3de356@howell61.f9.co.uk> As David Attenborough has focused our minds on Climate Change, I have been wondering about charging regimes. Traction batteries for electric cars seem to range between 16 & 100 Kilowatt-Hours. There are now charging points that can charge a battery to 80% in 1.5 Hours, (figures from Volkswagen). So consider a modest ''Filling Station" with 8 charging bays, all fast charging vehicles with 100 KWHr batteries. To do this in 1.5 Hours would require charging points rated at least 70 KW. So the premises would probably require a substation to get its 560KW demand fed from the grid. Half a megawatt! I'm sure smaller concerns will fall by the wayside unable to meet the extra costs. John H. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk Fri Apr 19 11:27:31 2019 From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf) Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2019 17:27:31 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Charging Electric Vehicle Batteries In-Reply-To: <075c1535-b9aa-f725-dd93-fd937f3de356@howell61.f9.co.uk> References: <075c1535-b9aa-f725-dd93-fd937f3de356@howell61.f9.co.uk> Message-ID: On 19/04/2019 16:28, John Howell via Tech1 wrote: > > So consider a modest ''Filling Station" with 8 charging bays, all fast > charging vehicles with 100 KWHr batteries. To do this in 1.5 Hours > would require charging points rated at least 70 KW. So the premises > would probably require a substation to get its 560KW demand fed from > the grid. .. > Indeed - and Tesla-style ultra-fast charging needs even more. Despite all the claims this is never going to happen. At a petrol station the fill takes a handful of minutes at the most, so users are prepared to queue to use a pump. With even 30min electric charges you could be spending an awful long time refuelling if you have to wait for a free "pump". Electric cars are an excellent idea for city use, with a recharge at home each night, but not for longer distance stuff. However that doesn't mean that the benefits of electric engines - no gearbox, regenerative braking, excellent acceleration, no emissions need be foregone. Self-charging systems ~not~ using carbon fuels are being developed, with ammonia being a big favourite. It can be used in a combustion engine or (better) in a fuel cell, to generate power, and has the great benefit of good energy density, comparable with petrol and diesel (about 50%). Batteries are very poor in that respect - a mere 10% of petrol. It is effectively a hydrogen source, but much easier to handle than molecular hydrogen. Changing a battery design to a self-charging one is thankfully a relatively easy task. Chris Woolf --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Fri Apr 19 12:05:32 2019 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2019 18:05:32 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Good Friday, good deed! Message-ID: This morning my neighbour's helper came and asked if I was any good with TV sets! The neighbour lady is 92 and very frail and wanted to see the Attenborough prog. last night but the TV just showed 'snow'. It is a fairly new Panasonic, similar to mine, so it should work! She was right the picture was just snow. I tried a re-tune but very little appeared below ch.11 and was dreadful quality. So I extracted the plastic cased aerial plug and what I found amazed me (photo attached). I have never seen a rusty co-ax plug indoors! Anyway, fitting a shiny new aluminium one and a quick retune restored everything as it should be. Result, a happy OAP. But I wonder how the old plug got so damp and how long had she put up with cr*p pictures? Cheers, Dave -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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So I extracted the > plastic cased aerial plug and what I found amazed me (photo attached). > I have never seen a rusty co-ax plug indoors! Anyway, fitting a shiny > new aluminium one and a quick retune restored everything as it should > be. Result, a happy OAP. But I wonder how the old plug got so damp and > how long had she put up with cr*p pictures? Cheers, Dave > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bernie833 at gmail.com Fri Apr 19 12:28:24 2019 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2019 18:28:24 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Car stuff Message-ID: <3de17e9c-9739-f66b-af9e-c22463013ced@gmail.com> The sun is out, it's warm, so time to go out and fix stuff. Back in December I was asking for ideas on fixing the Rover V8 engine in my Cobra, which wouldn't start.? I've been fixing cars since the sixties (like you) and i completely rebuilt this RV8 1200 miles back - so it not working is ridiculous. I can't remember why now, but the first suspicion was water in the fuel. There was. I took out the Edelbrock carburetor? and cleaned it out.? There then followed a saga that has gone on for most of the warm days when I'm free since then. New, in the end - fuel, fuel filters, plugs, coil, resistor, fuel pump, battery. Much testing of everything and getting nowhere. In the end, it seems that the battery was up to turning the engine over but not providing much of a spark at the same time. And although I put in new fuel and filters, it turned out that the pump was screwed too, presumably by the water in the fuel. Anyway, finally, yesterday, in the sunshine. It started again - and actually sounds rather better than when it last ran in September.? Good job I also have a boring Toyota which always works. For your enjoyment, attached a brief moment of a 1979 Rover V8 with Edelbrock car, and Mallory ignition with a Real Steel fast road cam, all actually working again I used to take it to charity car shows but there isn't one here now. B -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: rv8.mp4 Type: video/mp4 Size: 1882355 bytes Desc: not available URL: From mikej at bmanor.co.uk Fri Apr 19 12:44:28 2019 From: mikej at bmanor.co.uk (Mike Jordan) Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2019 18:44:28 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Good Friday, good deed! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <55731A3D98B44C5EBDF190632634DAE2@Gigabyte> Yes that is a common occurrence when air spaced cable is used from the aerial and the balun output cable goes straight downwards. Quite often water leaks into the balun itself and the only way out is then down the air space in the cable and out at the belling-lee connector. When installing, I always loop the o/p cable upwards at the start a bit to avoid this and also drill a small hole in the bottom of the balun casing so that if water does get in, it runs out again before causing damage to the bits of flat metal forming the the balun itself. Of course this is always important if the feed goes into a DA anywhere en route. Also if making a join outside, good to wrap with self amalgamating tape and again put an upward loop. Never fails then! Mike From: John Howell via Tech1 Sent: Friday, April 19, 2019 6:13 PM To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Good Friday, good deed! Hi Dave, Perhaps there is a crack in the coax outside and the water simply got in ran down to the plug over time. John H. On 19/04/2019 18:05, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: This morning my neighbour's helper came and asked if I was any good with TV sets! The neighbour lady is 92 and very frail and wanted to see the Attenborough prog. last night but the TV just showed 'snow'. It is a fairly new Panasonic, similar to mine, so it should work! She was right the picture was just snow. I tried a re-tune but very little appeared below ch.11 and was dreadful quality. So I extracted the plastic cased aerial plug and what I found amazed me (photo attached). I have never seen a rusty co-ax plug indoors! Anyway, fitting a shiny new aluminium one and a quick retune restored everything as it should be. Result, a happy OAP. But I wonder how the old plug got so damp and how long had she put up with cr*p pictures? Cheers, Dave -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Fri Apr 19 13:29:54 2019 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2019 19:29:54 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Good Friday, good deed! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <53f1e6fa-35a5-f8e1-9c2f-72db00f8c113@btinternet.com> I thought about that, John, but the cable came through the wooden window frame as usual and at least a metre of it lay on the floor behind the TV! Osmosis Rules, KO! Cheers! Dave. From pat.heigham at amps.net Fri Apr 19 14:12:23 2019 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2019 20:12:23 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Good Friday, good deed! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5cba1d99.1c69fb81.49128.526f@mx.google.com> OK, my TV reception story?? I have a flat in a block of eight. Prior to terrestrial digital transmission, I got our distribution engineers to dance around on the roof with their signal meter to establish the best position for an aerial ? mast mounted ? being a BBC plonk I wanted the very best reception, aimed at CP and Croydon. Our then surveyor said that there was no problem putting it through the roof. Sadly, when this was done, the flashing around the mast leaked with wind movement and I installed a basin under the mast, interior to the stairwell loft. With advancing years I no longer felt safe to climb stepladders to empty the collected water so a week or so ago we had the engineers back to move the mast to the end of our block. Not easy, as the end wall was tile hung, so roofers and the TV guys had to coincide. They were both brilliant ? the TV chap, who had installed the dis.system originally, had to reverse the signal feed as the amp was now at the other end of the block. He said that the new aerial had such a strong signal, that he had to take it down a bit on the amplifier. The roofers made an excellent job of fitting the wall tiles around the new aerial brackets. So here?s the commercial: TV installation: Cranleigh Systems Roofers: AK Roofers & Decorators Best Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: dave.mdv via Tech1 Sent: 19 April 2019 18:05 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: [Tech1] Good Friday, good deed! This morning my neighbour's helper came and asked if I was any good with TV sets! The neighbour lady is 92 and very frail and wanted to see the Attenborough prog. last night but the TV just showed 'snow'. It is a fairly new Panasonic, similar to mine, so it should work! She was right the picture was just snow. I tried a re-tune but very little appeared below ch.11 and was dreadful quality. So I extracted the plastic cased aerial plug and what I found amazed me (photo attached). I have never seen a rusty co-ax plug indoors! Anyway, fitting a shiny new aluminium one and a quick retune restored everything as it should be. Result, a happy OAP. But I wonder how the old plug got so damp and how long had she put up with cr*p pictures? 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Cheers, Dave From geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com Fri Apr 19 17:03:08 2019 From: geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com (Geoffrey Hawkes) Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2019 23:03:08 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Use of call blockers to deter scams In-Reply-To: <57a7243422dave@davesound.co.uk> References: <57a7243422dave@davesound.co.uk> Message-ID: <363275DC-5A26-44FC-A7F3-DF1FB46BE983@gmail.com> Unfortunately the BT 1572 call blocker isn?t very effective, as the nuisances keep changing the number they call from. They?ve also got round the ?International? detector and avoid being labelled as such on the caller display which was always a give-away. Currently the most frequent nuisance for us is the ?This is the technical dept of BT warning you that your internet connection will be cut off this afternoon? or some such variation. I ask them where they?re based and they?re clever enough to say ?81 Newgate Street in London? which is the actual international HQ of BT. I asked the caller yesterday how he travelled to work and he said ?by car? which I think unlikely and expressed surprise. I also asked which floor he worked on hoping he?d say floor 11 or above, as it has only ten storeys but he said the fourth floor. I then asked what the famous big building was that he could see from his window (it?s opposite St Paul?s) and he hesitated for a moment then put the phone down as he obviously didn?t know the answer. I sometimes call them out as a fraud and ask whether they tell their families that they earn their money by deceiving people, at which point they usually get indignant and deny it vigorously. I expect they justify it to themselves by saying that we in the West are all excessively wealthy and deserve to have our money redistributed to poor people like them whether we like it or not. Am I being cynical? Geoff > On 19 Apr 2019, at 12:47, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: > > In article , > dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: >> New to my house, two days running - 'Customs and Excise are building a >> case against us, press 1 to connect to your case officer'. HMRC know >> about this one but it's the first time I have met it. Frighteningly, my >> wife was really worried about it until I explained things! Cheers, Dave > > Get a call blocker. Only genuine callers will bother trying to get around > it. > > -- > *I don't suffer from insanity -- I'm a carrier > > Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Fri Apr 19 17:19:40 2019 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2019 23:19:40 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Use of call blockers to deter scams In-Reply-To: <363275DC-5A26-44FC-A7F3-DF1FB46BE983@gmail.com> References: <57a7243422dave@davesound.co.uk> <363275DC-5A26-44FC-A7F3-DF1FB46BE983@gmail.com> Message-ID: <2ebec7d6-ebb3-5d8e-39f8-2d750507a249@btinternet.com> No, you are not! I often castigate these people by saying that you are depriving lots of UK people their jobs in call centres for working at cheap rates but my wife admonishes me by saying that at least they have got a job and are providing for their family! It's a difficult conumdrum! The real culprits are the bosses who exploit the jobless to target the old and vulnerable in our country, many of whom have no idea that they are being scammed. Cheers, Dave From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Fri Apr 19 19:59:17 2019 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2019 01:59:17 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Sarabande Message-ID: <573e3082-1cc5-728a-b4bd-c8127973eab0@btinternet.com> For those of you that enjoyed the modern version of Handel's Sarabande I have tracked down the source of the track. It comes from Caf? del Mar -Aria 3: Metamorphosis by Paul Schwartz.(2004)(track 2). This is a big series of such stuff. Enjoy! Cheers, Dave From alanaudio at me.com Sat Apr 20 02:25:48 2019 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2019 08:25:48 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Charging Electric Vehicle Batteries In-Reply-To: References: <075c1535-b9aa-f725-dd93-fd937f3de356@howell61.f9.co.uk> Message-ID: There are a lot of developments in battery technology, but for electric vehicles, the Holy Grail appears to be a battery which can be recharged in 3 to 5 minutes, which would make it take a comparable time to refuelling a petrol tank. I often read of promising breakthroughs which might allow batteries to recharge that quickly, but seldom see anybody consider how so much energy will be sourced and fed into a battery in such a brief time. If you reckon that a car has a battery with a 75kW capacity, then to fully recharge it in 5 minutes would require transferring energy at a rate of 900kW per hour, doing it in 3 minutes would require 1.5 MW per hour. There are two aspects which are seldom explained, one is how the chargers can obtain so much power in such a short time and the other is what sort of connection leads are needed to handle that sort of current. Conventionally you'd be looking at copper conductors with each core a couple of inches in diameter to handle that much current when transferring 1.5 MW at something like 400V. Chargers incorporating supercapacitors may be one way in which regular users or companies could source power for a few rapid recharges per day. You could charge up a huge supercapacitor over several hours and then quickly dump the lot into a vehicle in a few minutes. There are also technologies where the electrolyte in the vehicle battery is in liquid form and can be pumped out of the battery and replaced with recharged electrolyte, which could be as quick as refuelling a petrol car. Personally I feel that the future is some sort of fuel cell. I recently worked on a corporate video for a famous car maker where I had to sign a NDC chitty, so can't discuss the details, but their fuel cell technology was hugely impressive. One of their biggest concerns is selling people the idea of diving around with tanks of hydrogen when people tend to think of the Hindenburg. Part of the shoot involved staging crashes comparing a petrol vehicle to a hydrogen powered one. The takeaway was that I would rather crash in a vehicle where the spilt hydrogen rapidly rises and burn above me than in a vehicle where the spilt petrol falls to the ground and forms a puddle burning beneath me. Electric vehicles are definitely the future, especially when you consider that Tesla are now claiming that their cars don't need regular servicing, instead they only need parts replaced as they become worn. Furthermore the company boasts that their vehicles are good for a million miles ( I'm cynical enough to believe it extremely unlikely that mainstream vehicle manufacturers will decide to sell cars that last for a million miles ). However while I'm sure that electric drivetrains are the future, I think the jury is out on the power-source within the vehicle. I don't think that the batteries we are seeing used at the moment will be the power-source which will be used in 10 years or so. Alan Taylor On 19 Apr 2019, at 19 Apr . 17:27, Chris Woolf via Tech1 wrote: > > On 19/04/2019 16:28, John Howell via Tech1 wrote: >> So consider a modest ''Filling Station" with 8 charging bays, all fast charging vehicles with 100 KWHr batteries. To do this in 1.5 Hours would require charging points rated at least 70 KW. So the premises would probably require a substation to get its 560KW demand fed from the grid. .. >> > Indeed - and Tesla-style ultra-fast charging needs even more. Despite all the claims this is never going to happen. At a petrol station the fill takes a handful of minutes at the most, so users are prepared to queue to use a pump. With even 30min electric charges you could be spending an awful long time refuelling if you have to wait for a free "pump". > > Electric cars are an excellent idea for city use, with a recharge at home each night, but not for longer distance stuff. However that doesn't mean that the benefits of electric engines - no gearbox, regenerative braking, excellent acceleration, no emissions need be foregone. > > Self-charging systems ~not~ using carbon fuels are being developed, with ammonia being a big favourite. It can be used in a combustion engine or (better) in a fuel cell, to generate power, and has the great benefit of good energy density, comparable with petrol and diesel (about 50%). Batteries are very poor in that respect - a mere 10% of petrol. It is effectively a hydrogen source, but much easier to handle than molecular hydrogen. > > Changing a battery design to a self-charging one is thankfully a relatively easy task. > > > > Chris Woolf > > > > > Virus-free. www.avast.com > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graeme.wall at icloud.com Sat Apr 20 02:31:58 2019 From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall) Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2019 08:31:58 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Charging Electric Vehicle Batteries In-Reply-To: References: <075c1535-b9aa-f725-dd93-fd937f3de356@howell61.f9.co.uk> Message-ID: <81ADBD79-49E3-4CCA-938B-33E7E7E79FE9@icloud.com> The elephant in the room with electric cars is that we don?t have the generating capacity to copw with whatever method of charging is used. If battery vehicles reach 15% of the total the grid will collapse and even at lower levels the local infrastructure can?t cope. I live in a cul-de-sac of 16 properties and the people I bpught from had an electric car. Apparently the feeder from the substation couldn?t cope with more that two chargers running at the same time, evn at night. ? Graeme Wall > On 20 Apr 2019, at 08:25, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: > > There are a lot of developments in battery technology, but for electric vehicles, the Holy Grail appears to be a battery which can be recharged in 3 to 5 minutes, which would make it take a comparable time to refuelling a petrol tank. I often read of promising breakthroughs which might allow batteries to recharge that quickly, but seldom see anybody consider how so much energy will be sourced and fed into a battery in such a brief time. > > If you reckon that a car has a battery with a 75kW capacity, then to fully recharge it in 5 minutes would require transferring energy at a rate of 900kW per hour, doing it in 3 minutes would require 1.5 MW per hour. > > There are two aspects which are seldom explained, one is how the chargers can obtain so much power in such a short time and the other is what sort of connection leads are needed to handle that sort of current. Conventionally you'd be looking at copper conductors with each core a couple of inches in diameter to handle that much current when transferring 1.5 MW at something like 400V. > > Chargers incorporating supercapacitors may be one way in which regular users or companies could source power for a few rapid recharges per day. You could charge up a huge supercapacitor over several hours and then quickly dump the lot into a vehicle in a few minutes. There are also technologies where the electrolyte in the vehicle battery is in liquid form and can be pumped out of the battery and replaced with recharged electrolyte, which could be as quick as refuelling a petrol car. > > Personally I feel that the future is some sort of fuel cell. I recently worked on a corporate video for a famous car maker where I had to sign a NDC chitty, so can't discuss the details, but their fuel cell technology was hugely impressive. One of their biggest concerns is selling people the idea of diving around with tanks of hydrogen when people tend to think of the Hindenburg. Part of the shoot involved staging crashes comparing a petrol vehicle to a hydrogen powered one. The takeaway was that I would rather crash in a vehicle where the spilt hydrogen rapidly rises and burn above me than in a vehicle where the spilt petrol falls to the ground and forms a puddle burning beneath me. > > Electric vehicles are definitely the future, especially when you consider that Tesla are now claiming that their cars don't need regular servicing, instead they only need parts replaced as they become worn. Furthermore the company boasts that their vehicles are good for a million miles ( I'm cynical enough to believe it extremely unlikely that mainstream vehicle manufacturers will decide to sell cars that last for a million miles ). However while I'm sure that electric drivetrains are the future, I think the jury is out on the power-source within the vehicle. I don't think that the batteries we are seeing used at the moment will be the power-source which will be used in 10 years or so. > > Alan Taylor > > > > > On 19 Apr 2019, at 19 Apr . 17:27, Chris Woolf via Tech1 wrote: > >> >> >> On 19/04/2019 16:28, John Howell via Tech1 wrote: >>> So consider a modest ''Filling Station" with 8 charging bays, all fast charging vehicles with 100 KWHr batteries. To do this in 1.5 Hours would require charging points rated at least 70 KW. So the premises would probably require a substation to get its 560KW demand fed from the grid. .. >>> >> Indeed - and Tesla-style ultra-fast charging needs even more. Despite all the claims this is never going to happen. At a petrol station the fill takes a handful of minutes at the most, so users are prepared to queue to use a pump. With even 30min electric charges you could be spending an awful long time refuelling if you have to wait for a free "pump". >> >> Electric cars are an excellent idea for city use, with a recharge at home each night, but not for longer distance stuff. However that doesn't mean that the benefits of electric engines - no gearbox, regenerative braking, excellent acceleration, no emissions need be foregone. >> >> Self-charging systems ~not~ using carbon fuels are being developed, with ammonia being a big favourite. It can be used in a combustion engine or (better) in a fuel cell, to generate power, and has the great benefit of good energy density, comparable with petrol and diesel (about 50%). Batteries are very poor in that respect - a mere 10% of petrol. It is effectively a hydrogen source, but much easier to handle than molecular hydrogen. >> >> Changing a battery design to a self-charging one is thankfully a relatively easy task. >> >> >> >> Chris Woolf >> >> >> >> >> Virus-free. www.avast.com >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From alanaudio at me.com Sat Apr 20 02:35:47 2019 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2019 08:35:47 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Good Friday, good deed! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I've seen a similarly corroded coax plug and the explanation might be rather gross. The owner had an elderly cat which tended to perch on top of the TV as it was a lovely warm spot, but appeared that the cat was incontinent! One can only wonder how the cat never got electrocuted? On a related topic, some of you will have worked with Patrick Moore. At his house, his cat discovered that the fax machine in his study was the warmest spot. If people needed to send him a fax but it didn't appear to be working, they had to phone him on his landline and check that the cat hadn't sat on the power button or switched it off-line. Alan Taylor On 19 Apr 2019, at 19 Apr . 18:05, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: > This morning my neighbour's helper came and asked if I was any good with TV sets! The neighbour lady is 92 and very frail and wanted to see the Attenborough prog. last night but the TV just showed 'snow'. It is a fairly new Panasonic, similar to mine, so it should work! She was right the picture was just snow. I tried a re-tune but very little appeared below ch.11 and was dreadful quality. So I extracted the plastic cased aerial plug and what I found amazed me (photo attached). I have never seen a rusty co-ax plug indoors! Anyway, fitting a shiny new aluminium one and a quick retune restored everything as it should be. Result, a happy OAP. But I wonder how the old plug got so damp and how long had she put up with cr*p pictures? Cheers, Dave > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From j at howell61.f9.co.uk Sat Apr 20 03:30:52 2019 From: j at howell61.f9.co.uk (John Howell) Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2019 09:30:52 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Charging Electric Vehicle Batteries In-Reply-To: <81ADBD79-49E3-4CCA-938B-33E7E7E79FE9@icloud.com> References: <075c1535-b9aa-f725-dd93-fd937f3de356@howell61.f9.co.uk> <81ADBD79-49E3-4CCA-938B-33E7E7E79FE9@icloud.com> Message-ID: My point exactly Graeme! On 20/04/2019 08:31, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote: > The elephant in the room with electric cars is that we don?t have the generating capacity to copw with whatever method of charging is used. If battery vehicles reach 15% of the total the grid will collapse and even at lower levels the local infrastructure can?t cope. I live in a cul-de-sac of 16 properties and the people I bpught from had an electric car. Apparently the feeder from the substation couldn?t cope with more that two chargers running at the same time, evn at night. > > ? > Graeme Wall > > >> On 20 Apr 2019, at 08:25, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: >> >> There are a lot of developments in battery technology, but for electric vehicles, the Holy Grail appears to be a battery which can be recharged in 3 to 5 minutes, which would make it take a comparable time to refuelling a petrol tank. I often read of promising breakthroughs which might allow batteries to recharge that quickly, but seldom see anybody consider how so much energy will be sourced and fed into a battery in such a brief time. >> >> If you reckon that a car has a battery with a 75kW capacity, then to fully recharge it in 5 minutes would require transferring energy at a rate of 900kW per hour, doing it in 3 minutes would require 1.5 MW per hour. >> >> There are two aspects which are seldom explained, one is how the chargers can obtain so much power in such a short time and the other is what sort of connection leads are needed to handle that sort of current. Conventionally you'd be looking at copper conductors with each core a couple of inches in diameter to handle that much current when transferring 1.5 MW at something like 400V. >> >> Chargers incorporating supercapacitors may be one way in which regular users or companies could source power for a few rapid recharges per day. You could charge up a huge supercapacitor over several hours and then quickly dump the lot into a vehicle in a few minutes. There are also technologies where the electrolyte in the vehicle battery is in liquid form and can be pumped out of the battery and replaced with recharged electrolyte, which could be as quick as refuelling a petrol car. >> >> Personally I feel that the future is some sort of fuel cell. I recently worked on a corporate video for a famous car maker where I had to sign a NDC chitty, so can't discuss the details, but their fuel cell technology was hugely impressive. One of their biggest concerns is selling people the idea of diving around with tanks of hydrogen when people tend to think of the Hindenburg. Part of the shoot involved staging crashes comparing a petrol vehicle to a hydrogen powered one. The takeaway was that I would rather crash in a vehicle where the spilt hydrogen rapidly rises and burn above me than in a vehicle where the spilt petrol falls to the ground and forms a puddle burning beneath me. >> >> Electric vehicles are definitely the future, especially when you consider that Tesla are now claiming that their cars don't need regular servicing, instead they only need parts replaced as they become worn. Furthermore the company boasts that their vehicles are good for a million miles ( I'm cynical enough to believe it extremely unlikely that mainstream vehicle manufacturers will decide to sell cars that last for a million miles ). However while I'm sure that electric drivetrains are the future, I think the jury is out on the power-source within the vehicle. I don't think that the batteries we are seeing used at the moment will be the power-source which will be used in 10 years or so. >> >> Alan Taylor >> >> >> >> >> On 19 Apr 2019, at 19 Apr . 17:27, Chris Woolf via Tech1 wrote: >> >>> >>> On 19/04/2019 16:28, John Howell via Tech1 wrote: >>>> So consider a modest ''Filling Station" with 8 charging bays, all fast charging vehicles with 100 KWHr batteries. To do this in 1.5 Hours would require charging points rated at least 70 KW. So the premises would probably require a substation to get its 560KW demand fed from the grid. .. >>>> >>> Indeed - and Tesla-style ultra-fast charging needs even more. Despite all the claims this is never going to happen. At a petrol station the fill takes a handful of minutes at the most, so users are prepared to queue to use a pump. With even 30min electric charges you could be spending an awful long time refuelling if you have to wait for a free "pump". >>> >>> Electric cars are an excellent idea for city use, with a recharge at home each night, but not for longer distance stuff. However that doesn't mean that the benefits of electric engines - no gearbox, regenerative braking, excellent acceleration, no emissions need be foregone. >>> >>> Self-charging systems ~not~ using carbon fuels are being developed, with ammonia being a big favourite. It can be used in a combustion engine or (better) in a fuel cell, to generate power, and has the great benefit of good energy density, comparable with petrol and diesel (about 50%). Batteries are very poor in that respect - a mere 10% of petrol. It is effectively a hydrogen source, but much easier to handle than molecular hydrogen. >>> >>> Changing a battery design to a self-charging one is thankfully a relatively easy task. >>> >>> >>> >>> Chris Woolf >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Virus-free. www.avast.com >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graeme.wall at icloud.com Sat Apr 20 03:35:36 2019 From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall) Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2019 09:35:36 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Charging Electric Vehicle Batteries In-Reply-To: References: <075c1535-b9aa-f725-dd93-fd937f3de356@howell61.f9.co.uk> <81ADBD79-49E3-4CCA-938B-33E7E7E79FE9@icloud.com> Message-ID: <998621AC-D16E-4C7B-BF4F-8553E9AFB092@icloud.com> Also there is the problem of how you generate the power, according to an article in New Scientist, an electric car being charged by power generated by a gas-fired power station, still the most common, has a worse carbon footprint than a similar sized petrol engined vehicle. ? Graeme Wall > On 20 Apr 2019, at 09:30, John Howell via Tech1 wrote: > > My point exactly Graeme! > > > > On 20/04/2019 08:31, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote: >> The elephant in the room with electric cars is that we don?t have the generating capacity to copw with whatever method of charging is used. If battery vehicles reach 15% of the total the grid will collapse and even at lower levels the local infrastructure can?t cope. I live in a cul-de-sac of 16 properties and the people I bpught from had an electric car. Apparently the feeder from the substation couldn?t cope with more that two chargers running at the same time, evn at night. >> >> ? >> Graeme Wall >> >> >> >>> On 20 Apr 2019, at 08:25, Alan Taylor via Tech1 >>> wrote: >>> >>> There are a lot of developments in battery technology, but for electric vehicles, the Holy Grail appears to be a battery which can be recharged in 3 to 5 minutes, which would make it take a comparable time to refuelling a petrol tank. I often read of promising breakthroughs which might allow batteries to recharge that quickly, but seldom see anybody consider how so much energy will be sourced and fed into a battery in such a brief time. >>> >>> If you reckon that a car has a battery with a 75kW capacity, then to fully recharge it in 5 minutes would require transferring energy at a rate of 900kW per hour, doing it in 3 minutes would require 1.5 MW per hour. >>> >>> There are two aspects which are seldom explained, one is how the chargers can obtain so much power in such a short time and the other is what sort of connection leads are needed to handle that sort of current. Conventionally you'd be looking at copper conductors with each core a couple of inches in diameter to handle that much current when transferring 1.5 MW at something like 400V. >>> >>> Chargers incorporating supercapacitors may be one way in which regular users or companies could source power for a few rapid recharges per day. You could charge up a huge supercapacitor over several hours and then quickly dump the lot into a vehicle in a few minutes. There are also technologies where the electrolyte in the vehicle battery is in liquid form and can be pumped out of the battery and replaced with recharged electrolyte, which could be as quick as refuelling a petrol car. >>> >>> Personally I feel that the future is some sort of fuel cell. I recently worked on a corporate video for a famous car maker where I had to sign a NDC chitty, so can't discuss the details, but their fuel cell technology was hugely impressive. One of their biggest concerns is selling people the idea of diving around with tanks of hydrogen when people tend to think of the Hindenburg. Part of the shoot involved staging crashes comparing a petrol vehicle to a hydrogen powered one. The takeaway was that I would rather crash in a vehicle where the spilt hydrogen rapidly rises and burn above me than in a vehicle where the spilt petrol falls to the ground and forms a puddle burning beneath me. >>> >>> Electric vehicles are definitely the future, especially when you consider that Tesla are now claiming that their cars don't need regular servicing, instead they only need parts replaced as they become worn. Furthermore the company boasts that their vehicles are good for a million miles ( I'm cynical enough to believe it extremely unlikely that mainstream vehicle manufacturers will decide to sell cars that last for a million miles ). However while I'm sure that electric drivetrains are the future, I think the jury is out on the power-source within the vehicle. I don't think that the batteries we are seeing used at the moment will be the power-source which will be used in 10 years or so. >>> >>> Alan Taylor >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On 19 Apr 2019, at 19 Apr . 17:27, Chris Woolf via Tech1 >>> >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>>> >>>> On 19/04/2019 16:28, John Howell via Tech1 wrote: >>>> >>>>> So consider a modest ''Filling Station" with 8 charging bays, all fast charging vehicles with 100 KWHr batteries. To do this in 1.5 Hours would require charging points rated at least 70 KW. So the premises would probably require a substation to get its 560KW demand fed from the grid. .. >>>>> >>>>> >>>> Indeed - and Tesla-style ultra-fast charging needs even more. Despite all the claims this is never going to happen. At a petrol station the fill takes a handful of minutes at the most, so users are prepared to queue to use a pump. With even 30min electric charges you could be spending an awful long time refuelling if you have to wait for a free "pump". >>>> >>>> Electric cars are an excellent idea for city use, with a recharge at home each night, but not for longer distance stuff. However that doesn't mean that the benefits of electric engines - no gearbox, regenerative braking, excellent acceleration, no emissions need be foregone. >>>> >>>> Self-charging systems ~not~ using carbon fuels are being developed, with ammonia being a big favourite. It can be used in a combustion engine or (better) in a fuel cell, to generate power, and has the great benefit of good energy density, comparable with petrol and diesel (about 50%). Batteries are very poor in that respect - a mere 10% of petrol. It is effectively a hydrogen source, but much easier to handle than molecular hydrogen. >>>> >>>> Changing a battery design to a self-charging one is thankfully a relatively easy task. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Chris Woolf >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Virus-free. >>>> www.avast.com >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>> >>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com Sat Apr 20 04:24:58 2019 From: geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com (Geoffrey Hawkes) Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2019 10:24:58 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Use of call blockers to deter scams In-Reply-To: <2ebec7d6-ebb3-5d8e-39f8-2d750507a249@btinternet.com> References: <57a7243422dave@davesound.co.uk> <363275DC-5A26-44FC-A7F3-DF1FB46BE983@gmail.com> <2ebec7d6-ebb3-5d8e-39f8-2d750507a249@btinternet.com> Message-ID: Thanks Dave and I hate to think how many people are actually taken in by these fraudsters and lose money to their scams. I wish there was a way of catching them and closing down these so called ?boiler rooms?. Someone ought to be able to track them down from how they operate, surely? Geoff > On 19 Apr 2019, at 23:19, dave.mdv wrote: > > No, you are not! I often castigate these people by saying that you are depriving lots of UK people their jobs in call centres for working at cheap rates but my wife admonishes me by saying that at least they have got a job and are providing for their family! It's a difficult conumdrum! The real culprits are the bosses who exploit the jobless to target the old and vulnerable in our country, many of whom have no idea that they are being scammed. Cheers, Dave -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: P1020985.JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 2817024 bytes Desc: not available URL: From graeme.wall at icloud.com Sat Apr 20 04:44:05 2019 From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall) Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2019 10:44:05 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Use of call blockers to deter scams In-Reply-To: References: <57a7243422dave@davesound.co.uk> <363275DC-5A26-44FC-A7F3-DF1FB46BE983@gmail.com> <2ebec7d6-ebb3-5d8e-39f8-2d750507a249@btinternet.com> Message-ID: There has been some successes. The Indian authoriies have closed down some and imposed massive fines on the operators. ? Graeme Wall > On 20 Apr 2019, at 10:24, Geoffrey Hawkes via Tech1 wrote: > > Thanks Dave and I hate to think how many people are actually taken in by these fraudsters and lose money to their scams. I wish there was a way of catching them and closing down these so called ?boiler rooms?. Someone ought to be able to track them down from how they operate, surely? > Geoff > > On 19 Apr 2019, at 23:19, dave.mdv wrote: > >> No, you are not! I often castigate these people by saying that you are depriving lots of UK people their jobs in call centres for working at cheap rates but my wife admonishes me by saying that at least they have got a job and are providing for their family! It's a difficult conumdrum! The real culprits are the bosses who exploit the jobless to target the old and vulnerable in our country, many of whom have no idea that they are being scammed. Cheers, Dave > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From alanaudio at me.com Sat Apr 20 04:47:53 2019 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2019 10:47:53 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Charging battery cars In-Reply-To: <001201d4f75d$0ffc01e0$2ff405a0$@sky.com> References: <001201d4f75d$0ffc01e0$2ff405a0$@sky.com> Message-ID: I can see from the photo what the problem is. They put in one black cable, two red cables, but no green cable. It's not properly earthed. Alan Taylor On 20 Apr 2019, at 20 Apr . 10:40, Dave Buckley via Tech1 wrote: > From the recent thread about the power required for recharging, could we > land up trying to plug cables like these into battery cars? > > Just as an explanation, a run of about 400 yards of overhead cables had to > be diverted alongside the main road at the end of our lane prior to the road > having to be dug out to about 16 feet so that a supporting wall could be > repaired. The photo was taken four years ago and we are still waiting for > the work to be done!! > > Dave Buckley > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From dave at davesound.co.uk Sat Apr 20 04:55:20 2019 From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman) Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2019 10:55:20 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Charging Electric Vehicle Batteries In-Reply-To: <998621AC-D16E-4C7B-BF4F-8553E9AFB092@icloud.com> References: <075c1535-b9aa-f725-dd93-fd937f3de356@howell61.f9.co.uk> <81ADBD79-49E3-4CCA-938B-33E7E7E79FE9@icloud.com> <998621AC-D16E-4C7B-BF4F-8553E9AFB092@icloud.com> Message-ID: <57a79dcf74dave@davesound.co.uk> In article <998621AC-D16E-4C7B-BF4F-8553E9AFB092 at icloud.com>, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote: > Also there is the problem of how you generate the power, according to an > article in New Scientist, an electric car being charged by power > generated by a gas-fired power station, still the most common, has a > worse carbon footprint than a similar sized petrol engined vehicle. Very true, Graeme. We need to look at the total carbon footprint of building that vehicle, the power generating source, be it 'renewable' or gas etc, to come to a firm conclusion. So many simply look at the actual carbon footprint when it is in use. Of course electric vehicles are good at moving any pollution from cities to elsewhere. But then climate change and pollution in cities etc are different issues. -- *We never really grow up, we only learn how to act in public. Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From waresound at msn.com Sat Apr 20 05:07:36 2019 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2019 10:07:36 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Good Friday, good deed! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I once had the pleasure of visiting Patrick Moore?s Selsey house, for a Through the Keyhole shoot. He was there, but obviously not on camera, and insisted on cooking lunch for us. Frozen fish, frozen chips and frozen peas (his staple diet, he told us). Naturally, we saw lots of telescopes and related stuff, including the big home-made one in the garden. What I liked most about him was his tale about how the cat came into his life. It went like this: (Scratching sounds at the front door one morning) - Patrick opens the door and finds a cat sitting there, purring loudly. The cat (allegedly) said: ?I?m a cat without a home, and you?re a home without a cat, so I suggest we be a cat with a home, and a home with a cat?, and confidently strode inside. The cat stayed, becoming an often mentioned minor celebrity in his own right, and by the look of him, had never gone short of frozen fish. Cheers, Nick. Sent from my iPad On 20 Apr 2019, at 08:36, Alan Taylor via Tech1 > wrote: [snip] On a related topic, some of you will have worked with Patrick Moore. At his house, his cat discovered that the fax machine in his study was the warmest spot. If people needed to send him a fax but it didn't appear to be working, they had to phone him on his landline and check that the cat hadn't sat on the power button or switched it off-line. Alan Taylor -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave at davesound.co.uk Sat Apr 20 05:08:03 2019 From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman) Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2019 11:08:03 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Yet another scam! In-Reply-To: References: <57a7243422dave@davesound.co.uk> Message-ID: <57a79ef961dave@davesound.co.uk> In article , dave.mdv wrote: > I block each call individually on my DECT handset but they keep changing > the number. The other day I got a new scam call to say that 'my call > blocker was out of date!' Cheers, Dave I have Truecall - which you have to buy, as an add on unit. It basically stores all the numbers you want to let through. (You can upload your address book from your mobile phone, etc, and add to that list easily) And blocks all others. A caller not on that list can leave a message (like an answer phone) so you can get back to them if needed. But the method to do that is beyond all spam callers IMHO. There can be a problem with things like large switchboards where their outgoing lines are different numbers from the one you use to contact them. Perhaps waiting for a call from a hospital to confirm an appointment. If expecting one of those, I just switch it off. With it off, I get several spam calls week. With it on, none. -- *Pride is what we have. Vanity is what others have. Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From mikej at bmanor.co.uk Sat Apr 20 05:24:45 2019 From: mikej at bmanor.co.uk (Mike Jordan) Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2019 11:24:45 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Charging battery cars In-Reply-To: <001201d4f75d$0ffc01e0$2ff405a0$@sky.com> References: <001201d4f75d$0ffc01e0$2ff405a0$@sky.com> Message-ID: Should have had cables like this seen when Kingsway tunnel caught fire back in 2015. Lots of cable space allowed for when the tunnels were built (see cross-section with cable tunnels next to the tram tunels) We have chaos here as Ealing are installing electric car charging points all over the place resulting in long trenches to the nearest supply and then several weeks until GPO can connect to internet with joins under the pavement in the footway boxes. I guess that is not how they expect to connect nowadays. Here in W Ealing, history shows as in some streets there is a power connection box with nice brass surround inbetween each pair of houses. Most signed Metropolitan power Company Mike -----Original Message----- From: Dave Buckley via Tech1 Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2019 10:40 AM To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: [Tech1] Charging battery cars >From the recent thread about the power required for recharging, could we land up trying to plug cables like these into battery cars? Just as an explanation, a run of about 400 yards of overhead cables had to be diverted alongside the main road at the end of our lane prior to the road having to be dug out to about 16 feet so that a supporting wall could be repaired. The photo was taken four years ago and we are still waiting for the work to be done!! Dave Buckley --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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It probably ~is~ possible to make the explosion and fire risk acceptable, but trying to keep hydrogen under pressure and prevent leaks is very, very difficult with such a small molecular size. That's one of the reasons why ammonia is becoming more attractive - a version of hydrogen that is a lot easier to handle. As to recharging batteries in 5 minutes.... besides the difficulty of providing that much power to the blooming thing, the risk of fire and explosion is scary. Batteries always get hot when being charged unless the process is 100% efficient. Even 1% ~inefficiency~ in the charge scheme (a staggeringly unrealistic figure) means 750W of heat generated. And a 900% improvement in the energy density of batteries, to bring them close to petrol fuel,? is far beyond any of the current chemistries that we have. Chris Woolf --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com Sat Apr 20 06:57:26 2019 From: geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com (Geoffrey Hawkes) Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2019 12:57:26 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Use of call blockers to deter scams In-Reply-To: References: <57a7243422dave@davesound.co.uk> <363275DC-5A26-44FC-A7F3-DF1FB46BE983@gmail.com> <2ebec7d6-ebb3-5d8e-39f8-2d750507a249@btinternet.com> Message-ID: That good and I wish them every success, Geoff > On 20 Apr 2019, at 10:44, Graeme Wall wrote: > > There has been some successes. The Indian authoriies have closed down some and imposed massive fines on the operators. > > ? > Graeme Wall > > >> On 20 Apr 2019, at 10:24, Geoffrey Hawkes via Tech1 wrote: >> >> Thanks Dave and I hate to think how many people are actually taken in by these fraudsters and lose money to their scams. I wish there was a way of catching them and closing down these so called ?boiler rooms?. Someone ought to be able to track them down from how they operate, surely? >> Geoff >> >>> On 19 Apr 2019, at 23:19, dave.mdv wrote: >>> >>> No, you are not! I often castigate these people by saying that you are depriving lots of UK people their jobs in call centres for working at cheap rates but my wife admonishes me by saying that at least they have got a job and are providing for their family! It's a difficult conumdrum! The real culprits are the bosses who exploit the jobless to target the old and vulnerable in our country, many of whom have no idea that they are being scammed. Cheers, Dave >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > From mikej at bmanor.co.uk Sat Apr 20 07:08:38 2019 From: mikej at bmanor.co.uk (Mike Jordan) Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2019 13:08:38 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Charging battery cars In-Reply-To: <001201d4f75d$0ffc01e0$2ff405a0$@sky.com> References: <001201d4f75d$0ffc01e0$2ff405a0$@sky.com> Message-ID: <2CB36947AE3F42ABBE0603C5A7AFA1D8@Gigabyte> It case it doesn't get to this group, one of my BBC colleagues has posted this very funny video about a Mercedes AA battery class car. The file is 14Mthingys so too big to post on this group but I have put it here https://www.dropbox.com/s/37c5dpnp5f59648/Mercedes%20AA%20Class11.mp4?dl=0 A good way to brighten up your day! Mike -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jccglass at gmail.com Sat Apr 20 10:34:46 2019 From: jccglass at gmail.com (Chris on gmail) Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2019 16:34:46 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] 1963 Memories References: <001201d4f75d$0ffc01e0$2ff405a0$@sky.com> <2CB36947AE3F42ABBE0603C5A7AFA1D8@Gigabyte> Message-ID: <995047A99E3546B79CDED2A3E9FEE8F9@dell9100> Just found my 1963 diary - never a dull moment crew 2? Jute Box jury, Justice Duncannon, song for europe, Hugh & I, Euro song contest, Kenneth McKellar, Sammy Davis Junior show, Marriage lines, Eric Robinson(acting c-) Millicent Martin- who comments "camera 5 looks like a squirrle looking through a loo brush" Tunes of Glory where as a lowly DO2 I was practising tracking in to bcu of caption "Gallery that looks nice we'll use it on next link" PANNICK confess to Alec Wheal id stiched him up end of my LE careeer moved to crew 12 ! Dixon of Dock Green, Dixon of Dock Green, Dixon of Dock Green ETC 1964? went of Hols as DO2 returned to find i was promoted TWICE and was now on camera in Pres Not so bad as i was able to pursue my CAREER AS A FAILED ROCK STAR/ Roady ( crazy world of Arthur Brown and Bonzo Dog Dodah Band) Chris Glass From jpn at imixmics.co.uk Sun Apr 21 03:19:08 2019 From: jpn at imixmics.co.uk (John Nottage) Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2019 09:19:08 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Charging Electric Vehicle Batteries In-Reply-To: References: <075c1535-b9aa-f725-dd93-fd937f3de356@howell61.f9.co.uk> Message-ID: <1843adb9-3d61-cbe1-849a-9873e0bfe600@imixmics.co.uk> I find myself coming at this from a different direction. I currently run a 2013 VW Euro 5 diesel Golf. It goes well & is very economical. However, I no longer do really long journeys, just short runs, max 80 miles round trip - not the best way to operate a diesel. Restrictions & extra costs & arriving on diesels all the time. I'd like to get rid of it. Next year the all electric VW ID is due out: good range, all mod cons. With my usage, I'm sure I would only need the 3.7kW charge point that my current garage wiring would allow. I read that the car batteries last longest if operated mostly between about 50% & 80% charge. Overnight charging at the low rate would be enough for my overall use & I would think that slow charging also helps the batteries last longer. Apart from when we go away on holiday - pretty rare these days - I see no reason to want to charge my car anywhere but at home. I may well not be driving in 10 years time, but my VW could still be taking me around. As long as the rest of my quiet little town (pop. about 800) is not trying to supercharge their electric cars at the same time, I should be fine. Currently their are a few electric cars I see occasionally in the area: one BMW i3, one BMW i8 & a couple of Teslas - not enough to overload anything I would hope. Maybe this time next year I'll be driving electric. John On 20/04/2019 12:14, Chris Woolf via Tech1 wrote: > > On 20/04/2019 08:25, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: >> .... ?One of their biggest concerns is selling people the idea of >> diving around with tanks of hydrogen when people tend to think of the >> Hindenburg. .. > > Hydrogen is a very awkward fuel to use, which explains why it really > hasn't taken off, despite the technology being fully developed. It > probably ~is~ possible to make the explosion and fire risk acceptable, > but trying to keep hydrogen under pressure and prevent leaks is very, > very difficult with such a small molecular size. That's one of the > reasons why ammonia is becoming more attractive - a version of hydrogen > that is a lot easier to handle. > > As to recharging batteries in 5 minutes.... besides the difficulty of > providing that much power to the blooming thing, the risk of fire and > explosion is scary. Batteries always get hot when being charged unless > the process is 100% efficient. Even 1% ~inefficiency~ in the charge > scheme (a staggeringly unrealistic figure) means 750W of heat generated. > And a 900% improvement in the energy density of batteries, to bring them > close to petrol fuel,? is far beyond any of the current chemistries that > we have. > > Chris Woolf > > > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > From pat.heigham at amps.net Sun Apr 21 03:43:23 2019 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2019 09:43:23 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Electric Vehicle Batteries In-Reply-To: References: <075c1535-b9aa-f725-dd93-fd937f3de356@howell61.f9.co.uk> Message-ID: <5cbc2d2c.1c69fb81.e0313.d555@mx.google.com> I was aware of shortcomings of vehicle drive batteries, when on a driving holiday to Salzburg, we stayed out of town, travelling into the city by trolleybus. Its route crossed a main railway line, and as both transports had overhead cable supplies, it was the trolleybus which had its cable broken. Arriving at the level crossing, the driver remotely winched down the collector pole, and under battery power, the bus crawled incredibly slowly over the railway tracks. Re-connecting the other side, with a TV camera looking at the pole and a little triangular guide above the cable, we resumed the journey. We wouldn?t have stood a chance if the battery lost power halfway across and an express train came barrelling down! Regards Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Alan Taylor via Tech1 Sent: 20 April 2019 08:26 To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat Subject: Re: [Tech1] Charging Electric Vehicle Batteries There are a lot of developments in battery technology, but for electric vehicles, the Holy Grail appears to be a battery which can be recharged in 3 to 5 minutes, which would make it take a comparable time to refuelling a petrol tank. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From clementiart at gmail.com Sun Apr 21 04:10:51 2019 From: clementiart at gmail.com (Michael York) Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2019 10:10:51 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Electric Vehicles Message-ID: After a lot of thought, last November we took delivery of Renault Zoe. It has all the bells and whistles you could want, including a reversing camera and a superb sound system - important! we beat the Government deadline so got ?4,500 from them and a free ?500 charge point plus a significant discount via Phil our son (Senior Director) from Renault. No road tax, cheap servicing, cheaper insurance than my previous car and with the regenerative braking you only apply the brakes to stop so the pads should last a while. The latest model has 42Kwh batteries and a range of 135 miles in the depths of winter and 185 miles in the summer - Renault figures. In fact it does better than that, the last charge a few days ago the range read 198 miles. In the winter it was great, you press the button on the key fob and you get five minutes of warm up from the mains and it completely defrosted the car in all that snow and was ready to go. If you don't, the heater is instant anyway and does not consume as much power as I would have thought. We are doing a lot of local miles so it suits us well and we are charging it about once a week - takes 6 or 7 hours, usually late evening or overnight. I am trying to exercise the battery but haven't gone below 25 miles yet. Our friends live in Devon 198 miles away! Would I risk it - no! However, we explored the possibility. You download an app called a Zapmap, put in your car details, it is live so it tells you which charges are applicable and available. The 43 amp charge points for the Zoe do an 80% charge in two hours. We normally drive to the first services on the M4 and stop for half an hour or so for a coffee and walk the dog. In that time the fast charge would almost fully charge the battery. We continue M4, M5 and pull up at the last services before we turn off on the A361. There we normally stop and have sandwiches and walk the dog. The fast charge would probably bring the charge back to around a third. We continue to our friends about 40 mile on, then use the 13 Amp charge lead to fully charge the batteries - it takes about 24 hours! It costs about the same as bottle of wine so we give them one of those instead of money. So it is doable. Now for the bad news. Currently there is only one 43 amp charger at each of the services and all the various charge points were in use the last time I was there. Worse the one on the M4 is run by Polar so you need an account with them for payment and the one on the M5 is run by Ecotricity so you need another account with them too. The infra structure is not there yet and if you go to the wilds of Norfolk or Purbeck it's hopeless. Its brilliant round here though and the torque from the 90 bhp motor is stunning, you leave the 3 litre Range Rovers standing at the lights! Its great fun and the equivalent fuel cost equates to about 160mpg. Cheers Mike -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From waresound at msn.com Sun Apr 21 04:46:17 2019 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2019 09:46:17 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Electric Vehicle Batteries In-Reply-To: <5cbc2d2c.1c69fb81.e0313.d555@mx.google.com> References: <075c1535-b9aa-f725-dd93-fd937f3de356@howell61.f9.co.uk> , <5cbc2d2c.1c69fb81.e0313.d555@mx.google.com> Message-ID: What makes you think it was done at the whim of the trolleybus driver without any safety systems, schedules and signalling in place? Nick. Sent from my iPad On 21 Apr 2019, at 09:43, patheigham via Tech1 > wrote: [snip] We wouldn?t have stood a chance if the battery lost power halfway across and an express train came barrelling down! Regards Pat -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jpn at imixmics.co.uk Sun Apr 21 05:56:12 2019 From: jpn at imixmics.co.uk (John Nottage) Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2019 11:56:12 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] [SPAM?] Electric Vehicles In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4d8c927c-30ba-6fc6-f0a6-19ea0ae80e72@imixmics.co.uk> The wilds of Norfolk...? When we go to Norfolk, we stay at The White Horse in Brancaster Staithe. They have 2 or 3 charge points including one for Tesla. At the moment the problem is more likely to be some fossil fuel car parked in them than the chargers actually being in use. I must ask if you can book a space with the room. John On 21/04/2019 10:10, Michael York via Tech1 wrote: > > After a lot of thought, last November we took delivery of? Renault Zoe. > It has all the bells and whistles you could want, including a reversing > camera and a superb sound system - important!? we beat the Government > deadline so got ?4,500 from them and a free ?500 charge point plus a > significant discount via Phil our son (Senior Director) from Renault. > No road tax,? cheap servicing, cheaper insurance than my previous car > and with the regenerative braking you only apply the brakes to stop so > the pads should last a while. > > The latest model has 42Kwh batteries and a range of 135 miles in the > depths of winter and 185 miles in the summer - Renault figures.? In fact > it does better than that, the last charge a few days ago the range read > 198 miles. > > In the winter it was great, you press the button on the key fob and you > get five minutes of warm up from the mains and it completely defrosted > the car in all that snow and was ready to go.? If you don't, the heater > is instant anyway and does not consume as much power as I would have > thought. > > We are doing a lot of local miles so it suits us well and we are > charging it about once a week - takes 6 or 7 hours, usually late evening > or overnight.? I am trying to exercise the battery but haven't gone > below 25 miles yet. > > Our friends live in Devon 198 miles away!? Would I risk it - no! > However, we explored the possibility.? You download an app called a > Zapmap, put in your car details, it is live so it tells you which > charges are applicable and available.? The 43 amp charge points for the > Zoe do an 80% charge in two hours. > > We normally drive to the first services on the M4 and stop for half an > hour or so for a coffee and walk the dog.? In that time the fast charge > would almost fully charge the battery.? We continue M4, M5 and pull up > at the last services before we turn off on the A361.? There we normally > stop and have sandwiches and walk the dog.? The fast charge would > probably bring the charge back to around a third. ? We continue to our > friends about 40 mile on, then use the 13 Amp charge lead to fully > charge the batteries - it takes about 24 hours!? It costs about the same > as bottle of wine so we give them one of those instead of money.? So it > is doable. > > Now for the bad news.? Currently there is only one 43 amp charger at > each of the services and all the various charge points were in use the > last time I was there. ? Worse the one on the M4 is run by Polar so you > need an account with them for payment and the one on the M5 is run by > Ecotricity so you need another account with them too.? The infra > structure is not there yet and if you go to the wilds of Norfolk or > Purbeck it's hopeless. > > Its brilliant round here though and the torque from the 90 bhp motor is > stunning, you leave the 3 litre Range Rovers standing at the lights! > Its great fun and the equivalent fuel cost equates to about 160mpg. > > Cheers > > Mike > From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Sun Apr 21 06:55:09 2019 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2019 12:55:09 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Electric Vehicles Message-ID: <26ed423b-b972-fd86-ef4d-6e58e9873c9a@btinternet.com> From Mike York - After a lot of thought, last November we took delivery of? Renault Zoe.? It has all the bells and whistles you could want, including a reversing camera and a superb sound system - important!? we beat the Government deadline so got ?4,500 from them and a free ?500 charge point plus a significant discount via Phil from Renault.? No Road tax,? cheap servicing, cheaper insurance than my previous car and with the regenerative braking you only apply the brakes to stop so the pads should last a while. The latest model has 42Kwh batteries and a range of 135 miles in the depths of winter and 185 miles in the summer - Renault figures.? In fact it does better than that, the last charge a few days ago the range read 198 miles. In the winter it was great, you press the button on the key fob and you get five minutes of warm up from the mains and it completely defrosted the car in all that snow and was ready to go.? If you don't, the heater is instant anyway and does not consume as much power as I would have thought. We are doing a lot of local miles so it suits us well and we are charging it about once a week - takes 6 or 7 hours, usually late evening or overnight.? I am trying to exercise the battery but haven't gone below 25 miles yet. Our friends live in Devon 198 miles away!? Would I risk it - no!? However, we explored the possibility.? You download an app called a Zapmap, put in your car details, it is live so it tells you which charges are applicable and available.? The 43 amp charge points for the Zoe do an 80% charge in two hours. We normally drive to the first services on the M4 and stop for half an hour or so for a coffee and walk the dog.? In that time the fast charge would almost fully charge the battery.? We continue M4, M5 and pull up at the last services before we turn off on the A361.? There we normally stop and have sandwiches and walk the dog.? The fast charge would probably bring the charge back to around a third. ? We continue to our friends about 40 mile on, then use the 13 Amp charge lead to fully charge the batteries - it takes about 24 hours!? It costs about the same as bottle of wine so we give them one of those instead of money. So it is doable. Now for the bad news.? Currently there is only one 43 amp charger at each of the services and all the various charge points were in use the last time I was there. ? Worse the one on the M4 is run by Polar so you need an account with them for payment and the one on the M5 is run by Ecotricity so you need another account with them too.? The infra structure is not there yet and if you go to the wilds of Norfolk or Purbeck it's hopeless. Its brilliant round here though and the torque from the 90 bhp motor is stunning, you leave the 3 litre Range Rovers standing at the lights!? Its great fun and the equivalent fuel cost equates to about 160mpg. Cheers Mike From dave at davesound.co.uk Sun Apr 21 06:51:59 2019 From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman) Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2019 12:51:59 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Electric Vehicles In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <57a82c535edave@davesound.co.uk> In article , Michael York via Tech1 wrote: > The latest model has 42Kwh batteries and a range of 135 miles in the > depths of winter and 185 miles in the summer - Renault figures. In fact > it does better than that, the last charge a few days ago the range read > 198 miles. If it's like the range given on my petrol car, it is calculated from recent use. Which doesn't mean that range is guaranteed in normal driving. With a low tank of fuel, the range till re-fill will often go up as the engine heats up and uses less fuel per mile. -- *Procrastinate now Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From dave at davesound.co.uk Sun Apr 21 06:47:47 2019 From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman) Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2019 12:47:47 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Electric Vehicle Batteries In-Reply-To: <5cbc2d2c.1c69fb81.e0313.d555@mx.google.com> References: <075c1535-b9aa-f725-dd93-fd937f3de356@howell61.f9.co.uk> <5cbc2d2c.1c69fb81.e0313.d555@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <57a82bf014dave@davesound.co.uk> In article <5cbc2d2c.1c69fb81.e0313.d555 at mx.google.com>, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > I was aware of shortcomings of vehicle drive batteries, when on a > driving holiday to Salzburg, we stayed out of town, travelling into the > city by trolleybus. Its route crossed a main railway line, and as both > transports had overhead cable supplies, it was the trolleybus which had > its cable broken. Arriving at the level crossing, the driver remotely > winched down the collector pole, and under battery power, the bus > crawled incredibly slowly over the railway tracks. Re-connecting the > other side, with a TV camera looking at the pole and a little triangular > guide above the cable, we resumed the journey. We wouldn?t have stood a > chance if the battery lost power halfway across and an express train > came barrelling down! Even in the old days of trolley buses in the UK, they could run a short distance on their batteries. For in the garage, or when the pole became detached. Lots of hybrid buses in London. They will often pull away on batteries - and smartly too - before the engine starts. And are noticeably quicker up a local hill than the diesels they replaced. -- *The hardness of the butter is proportional to the softness of the bread * Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From alanaudio at me.com Sun Apr 21 07:10:18 2019 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2019 13:10:18 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Electric Vehicles In-Reply-To: <57a82c535edave@davesound.co.uk> References: <57a82c535edave@davesound.co.uk> Message-ID: <747AE688-22FE-4FE5-BC5F-CE74B8F75EE5@me.com> The range indicator in my wife's car is clearly looking at recent usage and working out how many miles the remaining fuel in the tank will take you. She mostly uses the car for short journeys to work, which is not particularly efficient. If I'm driving her car, it's likely to be on a long journey where the fuel efficiency is so much better. We have often observed that if you start out with an indicated range of 300 miles, twenty miles later along the motorway, the expected range might show something like 325 miles. If that trend continued, I would worry about having to stop every couple of hundred miles to bail out the excess fuel from the petrol tank before it overflowed. Alan Taylor On 21 Apr 2019, at 21 Apr . 12:51, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: > In article > , > Michael York via Tech1 wrote: >> The latest model has 42Kwh batteries and a range of 135 miles in the >> depths of winter and 185 miles in the summer - Renault figures. In fact >> it does better than that, the last charge a few days ago the range read >> 198 miles. > > If it's like the range given on my petrol car, it is calculated from > recent use. Which doesn't mean that range is guaranteed in normal driving. > With a low tank of fuel, the range till re-fill will often go up as the > engine heats up and uses less fuel per mile. > > -- > *Procrastinate now > > Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From davidslawson at btinternet.com Sun Apr 21 09:22:43 2019 From: davidslawson at btinternet.com (David Lawson) Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2019 15:22:43 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Bird box cam In-Reply-To: <5cb8b26c.1c69fb81.1ac49.21b2@mx.google.com> References: <5cb8b26c.1c69fb81.1ac49.21b2@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <813EF8AD-0BF5-4ACC-9CA9-4183AB8A54F5@btinternet.com> To continue the bird box thread, I received a video bird box for Christmas and it is about time I did something with it. I would like to mount it on a shed with power inside and add some sort of radio/Wifi/bluetooth link. Has anyone got any suggestions of the best option. Dave Lawson > On 18 Apr 2019, at 18:22, patheigham via Tech1 > wrote: > > Something fascinating to look forward to ? good for you, Bernie. > Hope it doesn?t end in the disaster like last year. > Any idea of the species? > Pat > > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > From: Bernard Newnham via Tech1 > Sent: 18 April 2019 09:43 > To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > Subject: [Tech1] Bird box cam > > It's birdbox time again, though not worth streaming yet.. This year some wool packaging - from Fish For Thought - was protecting seedlings just below the box. Some has migrated here over the past few weeks. I think I can see six, maybe seven, eggs at the moment. They're right at the back of the box some slightly out of shot. Sadly can't move the camera! > > Picture from ordinary indoor webcam via free OBS studio. > > > > > Virus-free. www.avast.com -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From doug.prior at talktalk.net Sun Apr 21 10:10:54 2019 From: doug.prior at talktalk.net (doug prior) Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2019 16:10:54 +0100 (BST) Subject: [Tech1] Bird box cam In-Reply-To: <813EF8AD-0BF5-4ACC-9CA9-4183AB8A54F5@btinternet.com> References: <5cb8b26c.1c69fb81.1ac49.21b2@mx.google.com> <813EF8AD-0BF5-4ACC-9CA9-4183AB8A54F5@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <737774622.43735.1555859454202@apps.talktalk.co.uk> Good luck David but you may be too late for this year. Boxes more likely attract blue or great tits which spend march investigating and modifying various nest sights before building a nest timed for chick rearing with new leaf emergence ( mainly oak) when there is a greater abundance of caterpillars. Older leaves become toxic to chicks. But give it a go and have it established by next year. Doug Prior -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bernie833 at gmail.com Sun Apr 21 10:25:40 2019 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2019 16:25:40 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Bird box cam In-Reply-To: <813EF8AD-0BF5-4ACC-9CA9-4183AB8A54F5@btinternet.com> References: <5cb8b26c.1c69fb81.1ac49.21b2@mx.google.com> <813EF8AD-0BF5-4ACC-9CA9-4183AB8A54F5@btinternet.com> Message-ID: CCTV cameras are an obscure and rather archaic world. Is yours a USB camera or an analogue one??? Getting the picture somewhere useful depends on what you have and where you want the result to be. My box originally had a monochrome analogue camera, with phono outputs, but it's now a standard cheap webcam with a long USB cable to the computer here. I can take it through OBS Studio and then watch, record, or stream to YouTube as required. Getting pictures to a webpage is a whole other deal..... And Doug is right, you're too late for this year. B On 21/04/2019 15:22, David Lawson via Tech1 wrote: > To continue the bird box thread, I received a video bird box for > Christmas and it is about time I did something with it. I would like > to mount it on a shed with power inside and add some sort of > radio/Wifi/bluetooth link. Has anyone got any suggestions of the best > option. > > Dave Lawson > >> On 18 Apr 2019, at 18:22, patheigham via Tech1 > > wrote: >> >> Something fascinating to look forward to ? good for you, Bernie. >> Hope it doesn?t end in the disaster like last year. >> Any idea of the species? >> Pat >> Sent fromMail for >> Windows 10 >> *From:*Bernard Newnham via Tech1 >> *Sent:*18 April 2019 09:43 >> *To:*tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> *Subject:*[Tech1] Bird box cam >> It's birdbox time again, though not worth streaming yet.. This year >> some wool packaging - from Fish For Thought - was protecting >> seedlings just below the box. Some has migrated here over the past >> few weeks.? I think I can see six, maybe seven, eggs at the moment. >> They're right at the back of the box some slightly out of shot. Sadly >> can't move the camera! >> >> Picture from ordinary indoor webcam via free OBS studio. >> >> >> >> Virus-free.www.avast.com >> >> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From davidslawson at btinternet.com Sun Apr 21 10:34:27 2019 From: davidslawson at btinternet.com (David Lawson) Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2019 16:34:27 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Bird box cam In-Reply-To: References: <5cb8b26c.1c69fb81.1ac49.21b2@mx.google.com> <813EF8AD-0BF5-4ACC-9CA9-4183AB8A54F5@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <44E10838-5109-41BC-98F5-D39935C5C58F@btinternet.com> Its an analogue camera with phonos so I need something to give a computer friendly output. Have been a bit busy with the medical world this year so didn?t set it up early enough. The box will have some time to weather though and be more attractive next year. If we have a very long summer it might get a second brood later but I won?t hold my breath. Dave Lawson > On 21 Apr 2019, at 16:25, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: > > CCTV cameras are an obscure and rather archaic world. Is yours a USB camera or an analogue one? Getting the picture somewhere useful depends on what you have and where you want the result to be. > > My box originally had a monochrome analogue camera, with phono outputs, but it's now a standard cheap webcam with a long USB cable to the computer here. I can take it through OBS Studio and then watch, record, or stream to YouTube as required. > > Getting pictures to a webpage is a whole other deal..... > > And Doug is right, you're too late for this year. > > B > > > > On 21/04/2019 15:22, David Lawson via Tech1 wrote: >> To continue the bird box thread, I received a video bird box for Christmas and it is about time I did something with it. I would like to mount it on a shed with power inside and add some sort of radio/Wifi/bluetooth link. Has anyone got any suggestions of the best option. >> >> Dave Lawson >> >>> On 18 Apr 2019, at 18:22, patheigham via Tech1 > wrote: >>> >>> Something fascinating to look forward to ? good for you, Bernie. >>> Hope it doesn?t end in the disaster like last year. >>> Any idea of the species? >>> Pat >>> >>> >>> Sent from Mail for Windows 10 >>> >>> From: Bernard Newnham via Tech1 >>> Sent: 18 April 2019 09:43 >>> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> Subject: [Tech1] Bird box cam >>> >>> It's birdbox time again, though not worth streaming yet.. This year some wool packaging - from Fish For Thought - was protecting seedlings just below the box. Some has migrated here over the past few weeks. I think I can see six, maybe seven, eggs at the moment. They're right at the back of the box some slightly out of shot. Sadly can't move the camera! >>> >>> Picture from ordinary indoor webcam via free OBS studio. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Virus-free. www.avast.com -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From geoffletch at gmail.com Mon Apr 22 01:46:17 2019 From: geoffletch at gmail.com (Geoff Fletcher) Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2019 07:46:17 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Electric Vehicle Batteries In-Reply-To: References: <075c1535-b9aa-f725-dd93-fd937f3de356@howell61.f9.co.uk> <5cbc2d2c.1c69fb81.e0313.d555@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Safety systems are not foolproof Nick. Pat?s comment is perfectly valid in my opinion. Geoff F On Sun, 21 Apr 2019 at 10:46, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: > What makes you think it was done at the whim of the trolleybus driver > without any safety systems, schedules and signalling in place? > Nick. > Sent from my iPad > > On 21 Apr 2019, at 09:43, patheigham via Tech1 > wrote: > [snip] > > We wouldn?t have stood a chance if the battery lost power halfway across > and an express train came barrelling down! > > Regards > > Pat > > > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Waresound at msn.com Mon Apr 22 05:27:32 2019 From: Waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2019 10:27:32 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Electric Vehicle Batteries In-Reply-To: References: <075c1535-b9aa-f725-dd93-fd937f3de356@howell61.f9.co.uk> <5cbc2d2c.1c69fb81.e0313.d555@mx.google.com> , Message-ID: If you take it at face value, of course he?s right. Actually, I meant to send that to him personally, not the list, and he has seen it as light-hearted and replied to me in the same spirit. Pat and I spent a number of years working together way back, some of it in the area he?s talking about, and ?get? each other?s humour, much of it based on shared filming adventures (it was film then!). We were part of a team that worked and travelled together for around two and a half years, and got to the point where you only had to exchange a glance at an awkward moment to be reduced to fits of giggles. Humour doesn?t always come across as such in emails. Cheers, Nick. Sent from my iPad On 22 Apr 2019, at 07:46, Geoff Fletcher > wrote: Safety systems are not foolproof Nick. Pat?s comment is perfectly valid in my opinion. Geoff F On Sun, 21 Apr 2019 at 10:46, Nick Ware via Tech1 > wrote: What makes you think it was done at the whim of the trolleybus driver without any safety systems, schedules and signalling in place? Nick. Sent from my iPad On 21 Apr 2019, at 09:43, patheigham via Tech1 > wrote: [snip] We wouldn?t have stood a chance if the battery lost power halfway across and an express train came barrelling down! Regards Pat -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Mon Apr 22 05:46:43 2019 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2019 11:46:43 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Electric Vehicle Batteries In-Reply-To: References: <075c1535-b9aa-f725-dd93-fd937f3de356@howell61.f9.co.uk> <5cbc2d2c.1c69fb81.e0313.d555@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <5cbd9b94.1c69fb81.9ef4f.09e8@mx.google.com> I recall seeing a diagram of a filmed stunt set-up where a car crosses in front of an approaching train, just in time. The car was towed across with a cable which was threaded around pulleys and fixed to the rear of the train, thus couldn?t be hit, if the cable length was carefully adjusted! Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Geoff Fletcher via Tech1 Sent: 22 April 2019 07:46 To: Nick Ware Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Electric Vehicle Batteries Safety systems are not foolproof Nick. Pat?s comment is perfectly valid in my opinion. Geoff F --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Mon Apr 22 05:56:32 2019 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2019 11:56:32 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Electric Vehicle Batteries In-Reply-To: <62031B44-EEA6-4DDA-954F-2068B1D86BB7@btinternet.com> References: <075c1535-b9aa-f725-dd93-fd937f3de356@howell61.f9.co.uk> <5cbc2d2c.1c69fb81.e0313.d555@mx.google.com> <5cbd9b94.1c69fb81.9ef4f.09e8@mx.google.com> <62031B44-EEA6-4DDA-954F-2068B1D86BB7@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <5cbd9de0.1c69fb81.3cbe4.c7e9@mx.google.com> Something like this, I think! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4zIJlhRmKc Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Albert Barber Sent: 22 April 2019 11:49 To: patheigham Cc: Albert Barber Subject: Re: [Tech1] Electric Vehicle Batteries It was in the early days of Cinema. Possibly Keystone Cops. About 1920 or 30 On 22 Apr 2019, at 11:46, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: I recall seeing a diagram of a filmed stunt set-up where a car crosses in front of an approaching train, just in time. The car was towed across with a cable which was threaded around pulleys and fixed to the rear of the train, thus couldn?t be hit, if the cable length was carefully adjusted! Pat ? Sent from?Mail?for Windows 10 ? From:?Geoff Fletcher via Tech1 Sent:?22 April 2019 07:46 To:?Nick Ware Cc:?tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject:?Re: [Tech1] Electric Vehicle Batteries ? Safety systems are not foolproof Nick. Pat?s comment is perfectly valid in my opinion. Geoff F ? Virus-free.?www.avast.com --? Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chris.wickham at dsl.pipex.com Mon Apr 22 05:58:05 2019 From: chris.wickham at dsl.pipex.com (Chris Wickham) Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2019 11:58:05 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] FW: Colin Widgery Message-ID: <000a01d4f8fa$43c2a850$cb47f8f0$@wickham@dsl.pipex.com> Sad news. I am sure many remember Colin Widgery. -----Original Message----- From: David Hume [mailto:telobians at dfhume.plus.com] Sent: 22 April 2019 00:56 To: TelL Subject: Colin Widgery Dear Telobian, Colin Widgery, ex EM Kendal Avenue, passed away on Sunday 14th April. His son, Colin, has asked for the following to be passed on. - - - "Apologies for the rather impersonal mass email, but it seems to be the quickest way to reach lots of people at once.? ? Many thanks for the many messages of condolence that Mum has received - it does mean a lot to her. Dad's funeral will be held on? Friday May 3rd at 230 pm in the Milton Chapel at the Chilterns Crematorium Chilterns Crematorium Whielden Lane Amersham Bucks HP7 0ND https://www.chilternscrematorium.co.uk/location-map? Afterwards, we would be delighted if you could join us for a drink to swap tales and reminiscences.? Details to follow. I realise that this is a rather haphazard email list, so could you please forward this on to anyone you think may be interested - I know that Dad had lots of networks and groups so please do share this. And any questions or queries, please get in touch.? This is my email ccwisaway at gmail.com and my phone is 07792 680087 Regards Chris Widgery" - - - Best regards, Dave Hume, Telobians Organiser. From tonynuttall at me.com Mon Apr 22 06:15:13 2019 From: tonynuttall at me.com (William Nuttall) Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2019 11:15:13 GMT Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: I think I would stear clear of the Tesla Model S References: <11D623F1-5F24-4361-A3F6-0F2F64E83115@me.com> Message-ID: <169ecc4f-76de-4c89-98c0-07084382c8d2@me.com> Chaps, I would be a bit cautious with Electric Cars for a few years yet. Some seem to have odd teething problems https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6946549/Tesla-investigates-parked-car-erupts-huge-fireball-car-park-Shanghai.html#v-1780836629131577549 Tony N in the Hot, ?Wilds of Cumbria? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Mon Apr 22 07:20:39 2019 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2019 13:20:39 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: I think I would stear clear of the Tesla Model S In-Reply-To: <169ecc4f-76de-4c89-98c0-07084382c8d2@me.com> References: <11D623F1-5F24-4361-A3F6-0F2F64E83115@me.com> <169ecc4f-76de-4c89-98c0-07084382c8d2@me.com> Message-ID: <5cbdb197.1c69fb81.e2cc9.eef1@mx.google.com> I note that the bay next to the Tesla is 007 ? are we sure it?s not a Bond stunt? And the baddies got it wrong! I would certainly avoid this vehicle if it costs ?82K ! What has not been commented upon in this thread about electric powered cars is the cost of a battery replacement ? I?ve heard around ?3 to ?5K? Silly time, now..... the side story involving overhead power lines, maybe main roads could be so equipped and cars have a collector pole, your very own dodgem car! or grooves in the tarmac ? think Scalextric on a grand scale! Stop being silly, Pat! On a more serious note, when the M25 and M23 were built, wouldn?t it have been a good idea to install a rail track in between the carriageways, to link Heathrow and Gatwick. Bet the Germans could have done it. Similarly, when building the Piccadilly line extension to LHR, how good would it have been to divert the West of England rail route to come in under one of the terminals. Frankfurt has exactly that, disembark onto the station platform, press 3 in the lift and you are in Departures of the airport. Has anyone wondered why we need Crossrail? Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: William Nuttall via Tech1 Sent: 22 April 2019 12:15 To: Bernard Newnham Cc: Bernard Newnham Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: I think I would stear clear of the Tesla Model S Chaps, I would be a bit cautious with Electric Cars for a few years yet. Some seem to have odd teething problems https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6946549/Tesla-investigates-parked-car-erupts-huge-fireball-car-park-Shanghai.html#v-1780836629131577549 Tony N in the Hot, ?Wilds of Cumbria? --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave at davesound.co.uk Mon Apr 22 08:01:34 2019 From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman) Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2019 14:01:34 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: I think I would stear clear of the Tesla Model S In-Reply-To: <5cbdb197.1c69fb81.e2cc9.eef1@mx.google.com> References: <11D623F1-5F24-4361-A3F6-0F2F64E83115@me.com> <169ecc4f-76de-4c89-98c0-07084382c8d2@me.com> <5cbdb197.1c69fb81.e2cc9.eef1@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <57a8b68782dave@davesound.co.uk> In article <5cbdb197.1c69fb81.e2cc9.eef1 at mx.google.com>, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > On a more serious note, when the M25 and M23 were built, wouldn?t it > have been a good idea to install a rail track in between the > carriageways, to link Heathrow and Gatwick. Bet the Germans could have > done it. It might have been even better to build it with enough lanes in the first place. ;-) -- *Why do overlook and oversee mean opposite things? Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From pat.heigham at amps.net Mon Apr 22 10:05:50 2019 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2019 16:05:50 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: I think I would stear clear of the Tesla Model S In-Reply-To: <57a8b68782dave@davesound.co.uk> References: <11D623F1-5F24-4361-A3F6-0F2F64E83115@me.com> <169ecc4f-76de-4c89-98c0-07084382c8d2@me.com> <5cbdb197.1c69fb81.e2cc9.eef1@mx.google.com> <57a8b68782dave@davesound.co.uk> Message-ID: <5cbdd84e.1c69fb81.5e8bf.aff4@mx.google.com> No, Dave, I was thinking of travellers without cars needing to get from LHR to LGW. There?s an interesting series running on Yesterday Channel ? Impossible Engineering, also one about Abandoned Engineering, ones that didn?t bloody work. Fascinating! Let?s consider, if some people had not had the ideas and knowhow to get something workable, we would still be in the dark ages! We worked in Television. An aged aunt of mine did not have electric light in the house as a girl, but lived to see ? on television ? men walking on the moon! In a span of 60 or 70 years. Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Dave Plowman via Tech1 Sent: 22 April 2019 14:12 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Fwd: I think I would stear clear of the Tesla Model S In article <5cbdb197.1c69fb81.e2cc9.eef1 at mx.google.com>, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > On a more serious note, when the M25 and M23 were built, wouldn?t it > have been a good idea to install a rail track in between the > carriageways, to link Heathrow and Gatwick. Bet the Germans could have > done it. It might have been even better to build it with enough lanes in the first place. ;-) --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hughsheppard at btinternet.com Mon Apr 22 12:46:30 2019 From: hughsheppard at btinternet.com (Hugh Sheppard) Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2019 18:46:30 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: I think I would stear clear of the Tesla Model S In-Reply-To: <5cbdd84e.1c69fb81.5e8bf.aff4@mx.google.com> References: <11D623F1-5F24-4361-A3F6-0F2F64E83115@me.com> <169ecc4f-76de-4c89-98c0-07084382c8d2@me.com> <5cbdb197.1c69fb81.e2cc9.eef1@mx.google.com> <57a8b68782dave@davesound.co.uk> <5cbdd84e.1c69fb81.5e8bf.aff4@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <7156a41f-cf21-31ec-501c-a612d8bd06d8@btinternet.com> Oi Pat! Some of us - at the age of 6 or 7 were entrusted to change the mantles of the gas lamps in the place that we called home! Hugh On 22-Apr-19 4:05 PM, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > > No, Dave, I was thinking of travellers _without cars_ needing to get > from LHR to LGW. > > There?s an interesting series running on Yesterday Channel ? > Impossible Engineering, also one about Abandoned Engineering, ones > that didn?t bloody work. > > Fascinating! > > Let?s consider, if some people had not had the ideas and knowhow to > get something workable, we would still be in the dark ages! > > We worked in Television. > > An aged aunt of mine did not have electric light in the house as a > girl, but lived to see ? on television ? men walking on the moon! > > In a span of 60 or 70 years. > > Pat > > Sent from Mail for > Windows 10 > > *From: *Dave Plowman via Tech1 > *Sent: *22 April 2019 14:12 > *To: *tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > *Subject: *Re: [Tech1] Fwd: I think I would stear clear of the Tesla > Model S > > In article <5cbdb197.1c69fb81.e2cc9.eef1 at mx.google.com>, > > ?? patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > > > On a more serious note, when the M25 and M23 were built, wouldn?t it > > > have been a good idea to install a rail track in between the > > > carriageways, to link Heathrow and Gatwick. Bet the Germans could have > > > done it. > > It might have been even better to build it with enough lanes in the first > > place. ;-) > > > > Virus-free. www.avast.com > > > > <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave at davesound.co.uk Mon Apr 22 13:21:32 2019 From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman) Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2019 19:21:32 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: I think I would stear clear of the Tesla Model S In-Reply-To: <5cbdd84e.1c69fb81.5e8bf.aff4@mx.google.com> References: <11D623F1-5F24-4361-A3F6-0F2F64E83115@me.com> <169ecc4f-76de-4c89-98c0-07084382c8d2@me.com> <5cbdb197.1c69fb81.e2cc9.eef1@mx.google.com> <57a8b68782dave@davesound.co.uk> <5cbdd84e.1c69fb81.5e8bf.aff4@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <57a8d3d282dave@davesound.co.uk> The M25 already takes up a great deal of land. Inserting a railway between the carriageways would make that even more. And make bridges etc vastly more expensive. Nor can I imagine that line would get heavy use. So coaches can do the same job. In article <5cbdd84e.1c69fb81.5e8bf.aff4 at mx.google.com>, patheigham wrote: > No, Dave, I was thinking of travellers without cars needing to get from LHR to LGW. > There?s an interesting series running on Yesterday Channel ? Impossible Engineering, also one about Abandoned Engineering, ones that didn?t bloody work. > Fascinating! > Let?s consider, if some people had not had the ideas and knowhow to get something workable, we would still be in the dark ages! > We worked in Television. > An aged aunt of mine did not have electric light in the house as a girl, but lived to see ? on television ? men walking on the moon! > In a span of 60 or 70 years. > Pat > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > From: Dave Plowman via Tech1 > Sent: 22 April 2019 14:12 > To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > Subject: Re: [Tech1] Fwd: I think I would stear clear of the Tesla Model S > In article <5cbdb197.1c69fb81.e2cc9.eef1 at mx.google.com>, > patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > > On a more serious note, when the M25 and M23 were built, wouldn?t it > > have been a good idea to install a rail track in between the > > carriageways, to link Heathrow and Gatwick. Bet the Germans could have > > done it. > It might have been even better to build it with enough lanes in the first > place. ;-) > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus -- *Do infants enjoy infancy as much as adults enjoy adultery? Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From alanaudio at me.com Tue Apr 23 01:52:59 2019 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2019 07:52:59 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: I think I would stear clear of the Tesla Model S In-Reply-To: <57a8d3d282dave@davesound.co.uk> References: <11D623F1-5F24-4361-A3F6-0F2F64E83115@me.com> <169ecc4f-76de-4c89-98c0-07084382c8d2@me.com> <5cbdb197.1c69fb81.e2cc9.eef1@mx.google.com> <57a8b68782dave@davesound.co.uk> <5cbdd84e.1c69fb81.5e8bf.aff4@mx.google.com> <57a8d3d282dave@davesound.co.uk> Message-ID: <3EBCC462-9D4A-4499-B699-2E425E6ACBD3@me.com> My missed opportunity with the M25 is that when they built it, I think they should have extended the Tube lines to reach the M25 and where they intersect, should have built huge park and ride car parks so that most commuters would have no need to drive into the area within the M25. It would eliminate much of the traffic within the M25 and also reduce quite a bit of the traffic around the M25. It would only work if the Tube system were to run 24 hours a day with a reasonably frequent service at night, but on the other hand, it wouldn't be necessary for all trains to stop at every station along the way. "Express" trains could stop only at major stations and passengers for the minor stations would change to a stopping train for the final leg of their journey. Many who lived or worked in West London will recall taking the Piccadilly line past Hammersmith and watching all the other stations whizz past as the train sped onwards to Acton Town. Alan Taylor On 22 Apr 2019, at 22 Apr . 19:21, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: > The M25 already takes up a great deal of land. Inserting a railway between > the carriageways would make that even more. And make bridges etc vastly > more expensive. > Nor can I imagine that line would get heavy use. So coaches can do the > same job. > > > In article <5cbdd84e.1c69fb81.5e8bf.aff4 at mx.google.com>, > patheigham wrote: >> No, Dave, I was thinking of travellers without cars needing to get from LHR to LGW. > >> There?s an interesting series running on Yesterday Channel ? Impossible Engineering, also one about Abandoned Engineering, ones that didn?t bloody work. > >> Fascinating! >> Let?s consider, if some people had not had the ideas and knowhow to get something workable, we would still be in the dark ages! >> We worked in Television. >> An aged aunt of mine did not have electric light in the house as a girl, but lived to see ? on television ? men walking on the moon! >> In a span of 60 or 70 years. > >> Pat > >> Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > >> From: Dave Plowman via Tech1 >> Sent: 22 April 2019 14:12 >> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Fwd: I think I would stear clear of the Tesla Model S > >> In article <5cbdb197.1c69fb81.e2cc9.eef1 at mx.google.com>, >> patheigham via Tech1 wrote: >>> On a more serious note, when the M25 and M23 were built, wouldn?t it >>> have been a good idea to install a rail track in between the >>> carriageways, to link Heathrow and Gatwick. Bet the Germans could have >>> done it. > >> It might have been even better to build it with enough lanes in the first >> place. ;-) > > > > >> --- >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >> https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > -- > *Do infants enjoy infancy as much as adults enjoy adultery? > > Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Tue Apr 23 15:53:37 2019 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2019 21:53:37 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Brown sauce Message-ID: <5ef024d6-2604-4a2c-b9eb-04426b081891@btinternet.com> Is it my imagination or have brown sauces lost their bite? I always remember them as having a bit of a tang but every one I try these days seem more fruity than spicy. I know Tiptree do a very nice fruity one but that is deliberate, HP and Daddies just seem to have lost a bit of a kick. Perhaps another EU directive to save us from a fate worse than death! Cheers, Dave From ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com Tue Apr 23 16:14:30 2019 From: ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com (Albert Barber) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2019 22:14:30 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Brown sauce In-Reply-To: <5ef024d6-2604-4a2c-b9eb-04426b081891@btinternet.com> References: <5ef024d6-2604-4a2c-b9eb-04426b081891@btinternet.com> Message-ID: And what about Cadbury?s Dairy Milk? If you read the packet every size seems to have different levels of ingredients unless I?m miss reading. And the taste is not the same either. AB > On 23 Apr 2019, at 21:53, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: > > Is it my imagination or have brown sauces lost their bite? I always remember them as having a bit of a tang but every one I try these days seem more fruity than spicy. I know Tiptree do a very nice fruity one but that is deliberate, HP and Daddies just seem to have lost a bit of a kick. Perhaps another EU directive to save us from a fate worse than death! Cheers, Dave > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: attachment.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 7170 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: attachment.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 7240 bytes Desc: not available URL: From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Tue Apr 23 16:24:37 2019 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2019 22:24:37 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] changes In-Reply-To: References: <5ef024d6-2604-4a2c-b9eb-04426b081891@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <4844462d-acca-791d-e469-885479929edc@btinternet.com> Just don't get me started on Mars Bars! Cheers, Dave From relong at btinternet.com Tue Apr 23 16:27:24 2019 From: relong at btinternet.com (Roger E Long) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2019 22:27:24 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Brown sauce In-Reply-To: References: <5ef024d6-2604-4a2c-b9eb-04426b081891@btinternet.com> Message-ID: Huge reductions in salt and sugar, mans preoccupation since the Sabre Tooth Tiger. Remember the EU didn?t even think Cadburys Dairy Milk was even chocolate, just hydrogenated malt... > On 23 Apr 2019, at 22:14, Albert Barber via Tech1 wrote: > > And what about Cadbury?s Dairy Milk? > If you read the packet every size seems to have different levels of ingredients unless I?m miss reading. And the taste is not the same either. > > AB > > >> On 23 Apr 2019, at 21:53, dave.mdv via Tech1 > wrote: >> >> Is it my imagination or have brown sauces lost their bite? I always remember them as having a bit of a tang but every one I try these days seem more fruity than spicy. I know Tiptree do a very nice fruity one but that is deliberate, HP and Daddies just seem to have lost a bit of a kick. Perhaps another EU directive to save us from a fate worse than death! Cheers, Dave >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I always remember them as having a bit of a tang but every one I try?these days seem more fruity than spicy. I know Tiptree do a very nice fruity one but that is deliberate, HP and Daddies just seem to?have lost a bit of a kick. Perhaps another EU directive to save us from a fate worse than death! Cheers, Dave --? Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -----Inline Attachment Follows----- From geoffletch at gmail.com Tue Apr 23 16:42:52 2019 From: geoffletch at gmail.com (Geoff Fletcher) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2019 22:42:52 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Brown sauce In-Reply-To: References: <5ef024d6-2604-4a2c-b9eb-04426b081891@btinternet.com> Message-ID: And Earl Grey tea tastes different now. Worcester Sauce seems the same though. Geoff F On Tue, 23 Apr 2019 at 22:15, Albert Barber via Tech1 wrote: > And what about Cadbury?s Dairy Milk? > If you read the packet every size seems to have different levels of > ingredients unless I?m miss reading. And the taste is not the same either. > > AB > [image: Image result for old packaging of cadburys dairy milk] > [image: Image result for old packaging of cadburys dairy milk] > > On 23 Apr 2019, at 21:53, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: > > Is it my imagination or have brown sauces lost their bite? I always > remember them as having a bit of a tang but every one I try these days seem > more fruity than spicy. I know Tiptree do a very nice fruity one but that > is deliberate, HP and Daddies just seem to have lost a bit of a kick. > Perhaps another EU directive to save us from a fate worse than death! > Cheers, Dave > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: attachment.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 7240 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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One of my absolute favourite tipples these days is a spoonful of Bovril in a mug, hot water,? topped up with LASHINGS of Worcester Sauce....now THAT has a nice kick to it! ?? Gary -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rogerbunce at btinternet.com Wed Apr 24 04:33:10 2019 From: rogerbunce at btinternet.com (ROGER BUNCE) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2019 09:33:10 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Tech1] Brown sauce In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2138697782.2831811.1556098390431@mail.yahoo.com> As has been said before, the problem with satire programmes, these days, is that it's almost impossible for comedians to come up with anything more ludicrous than reality itself. And, if you think politicians are idiots, just remember who voted for them - We all did! luv, Rog. On Wednesday, 24 April 2019, 00:13:23 BST, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: I can't remember if it was stated on the BBC David Frost satire prog., TWTWTW, that George Brown, the foreign secretary at the time, had learnt all of his French language from the side of an HP sauce bottle! Cheers, Dave. PS. Couldn't we do with a 2019 version of TWTWTW to put these Westminster clowns in place? -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From j at howell61.f9.co.uk Wed Apr 24 15:52:11 2019 From: j at howell61.f9.co.uk (John Howell) Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2019 21:52:11 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Radio Museum Message-ID: It appears that the contents of the Washford Radio Museum have been moved to a pub premises in Watchet (TA23 0AZ)and was scheduled to open Easter Monday 22 April 2019. Did anyone attend? Is it worth a visit? link to HOMEPAGE John H. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jpn at imixmics.co.uk Thu Apr 25 02:15:06 2019 From: jpn at imixmics.co.uk (John Nottage) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2019 08:15:06 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] [SPAM?] drinks. In-Reply-To: <1525427612.5460878.1556096143435@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1525427612.5460878.1556096143435.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1525427612.5460878.1556096143435@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <9fc009e1-ec82-a069-038e-9a19313067bb@imixmics.co.uk> Big Tom tomato juice - kicks like an old skinhead with his bovver boots!! John On 24/04/2019 09:55, Gary Critcher via Tech1 wrote: > ? One of my absolute favourite tipples these days is a spoonful of > Bovril in a mug, hot water,? topped up with LASHINGS of Worcester > Sauce....now THAT has a nice kick to it! > > > > ?? Gary > From clementiart at gmail.com Thu Apr 25 03:26:31 2019 From: clementiart at gmail.com (Michael York) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2019 09:26:31 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Sales Calls Message-ID: Yesterday I was expecting a call from someone not on my list so when a Private Caller rang, I answered it. It was a lady who sked me if my boiler was more than ten years old, I said it was - about 16 years. She said that there was a scheme to replace boilers more than ten years old which would be self funding because by now my boiler would have lost 55% of its efficiency. I said that figure was ridiculous and that I had recently had my boiler stripped down and service and my trusted man who said it was fine. However, I accept it might have lost say 10% of its efficiency which would equate to about ?50 a year, so if a new boiler cost ?1000, I would be 20 years getting my money back - I said you do the maths! She was lost for words - I ended the call. It tried to block it but number withheld. Mike -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bernie833 at gmail.com Thu Apr 25 03:47:07 2019 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2019 09:47:07 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] [SPAM?] drinks. In-Reply-To: <9fc009e1-ec82-a069-038e-9a19313067bb@imixmics.co.uk> References: <1525427612.5460878.1556096143435.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1525427612.5460878.1556096143435@mail.yahoo.com> <9fc009e1-ec82-a069-038e-9a19313067bb@imixmics.co.uk> Message-ID: <74cad76c-e26f-eb9d-b8f9-09f514c374c2@gmail.com> I sort of have to pursue a low alcohol regime these days, and I've rediscovered something from long ago.? Sparkling water with a few drops of Angostura Bitters. 44% alcohol, but very little of it, whilst adding a considerable adjustment in the taste B On 25/04/2019 08:15, John Nottage via Tech1 wrote: > Big Tom tomato juice - kicks like an old skinhead with his bovver boots!! > > John > > On 24/04/2019 09:55, Gary Critcher via Tech1 wrote: >> ?? One of my absolute favourite tipples these days is a spoonful of >> Bovril in a mug, hot water,? topped up with LASHINGS of Worcester >> Sauce....now THAT has a nice kick to it! >> >> >> >> ??? Gary >> > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk Thu Apr 25 04:26:59 2019 From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2019 10:26:59 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Sales Calls In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Well.... you probably don't qualify because your pension income is likely to be? too high, but that wasn't a scam. You can indeed get a free boiler replacement for? old devices, though her explanation wasn't correct. Your old boiler, after service, could well be ~100% efficient according to its original spec, but it is likely to be closer to 55% efficient compared to a modern design. The ECO scheme is intended to get rid of the? most inefficient boilers and therefore improve national carbon footprint figures, as well as looking good for fuel poverty numbers, though (of course) the scheme hasn't been given enough money to really do much good. Private firms get paid to do the replacement work by the government grant - hence the sales talk - and the household gets a free replacement as well as lower running costs. The running costs on ~your~ system would almost certainly drop significantly if you replaced your boiler, but the sums are never simple. Modern condensing boilers are extremely efficient, saving you negative revenue - but rarely long lasting - you wouldn't get 20 years out of them. Of course you could change over to a ~really~ efficient heating system - heat pumps beat any boiler hands down, but do cost rather more in capital terms. Chris Woolf On 25/04/2019 09:26, Michael York via Tech1 wrote: > Yesterday I was expecting a call from someone not on my list so when a > Private Caller rang, I answered it. > > It was a lady who sked me if my boiler was more than ten years old, I > said it was? - about 16 years.? She said that there was a scheme to > replace boilers more than ten years old which would be self funding > because by now my boiler would have lost 55% of its efficiency. > > I said that figure was ridiculous and that I had recently had my > boiler stripped down and service and my trusted man who said it was > fine.? However, I accept it might have lost say 10% of its efficiency > which would equate to about ?50 a year, so if a new boiler cost ?1000, > I would be 20 years getting my money back - I said you do the maths! > > She was lost for words - I ended the call.? It tried to block it but > number withheld. > > Mike > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Thu Apr 25 04:49:34 2019 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2019 10:49:34 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Sales Calls Boilers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5cc182ad.1c69fb81.3ff5.2429@mx.google.com> About eleven years ago, I had to replace my trusty Potterton boiler which had lasted 30 years, with a Worcester/Bosch. British Gas did the installation, and it cost ?3690 ? bit more than your estimated ?1000 ! For that, I got the new boiler, new hot storage tank, new immersion heater, new controller, motor valves, filter and pumps. It?s serviced once a year under a breakdown contract, and doesn?t need any other attention. The only drawback with the installation was that I lost one 13A powerpoint in the kitchen as an isolating switch had to be put in. Regards Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Michael York via Tech1 Sent: 25 April 2019 09:27 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: [Tech1] Sales Calls Yesterday I was expecting a call from someone not on my list so when a Private Caller rang, I answered it. It was a lady who sked me if my boiler was more than ten years old, I said it was? - about 16 years.? She said that there was a scheme to replace boilers more than ten years old which would be self funding because by now my boiler would have lost 55% of its efficiency. I said that figure was ridiculous and that I had recently had my boiler stripped down and service and my trusted man who said it was fine.? However, I accept it might have lost say 10% of its efficiency which would equate to about ?50 a year, so if a new boiler cost ?1000, I would be 20 years getting my money back - I said you do the maths! She was lost for words - I ended the call.? It tried to block it but number withheld. Mike --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From crew13 at vincent68.plus.com Thu Apr 25 06:29:30 2019 From: crew13 at vincent68.plus.com (John Vincent) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2019 12:29:30 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Brown sauce In-Reply-To: <2138697782.2831811.1556098390431@mail.yahoo.com> References: <2138697782.2831811.1556098390431@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <969CE034-D26A-4766-9C7E-863CB702D2CC@vincent68.plus.com> Don't blame me Roger. I voted Monster Raving Loony. JV On 24 Apr 2019, at 10:33, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 wrote: > As has been said before, the problem with satire programmes, these days, is that it's almost impossible for comedians to come up with anything more ludicrous than reality itself. And, if you think politicians are idiots, just remember who voted for them - We all did! > > luv, Rog. > > > On Wednesday, 24 April 2019, 00:13:23 BST, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: > > > I can't remember if it was stated on the BBC David Frost satire prog., > TWTWTW, that George Brown, the foreign secretary at the time, had learnt > all of his French language from the side of an HP sauce bottle! Cheers, > Dave. PS. Couldn't we do with a 2019 version of TWTWTW to put these > Westminster clowns in place? > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bernie833 at gmail.com Thu Apr 25 07:39:48 2019 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2019 13:39:48 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Sales Calls In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: My mother had a major heating refit for free back in 2010. I thought the Gordon Brown money for that had run out. On Thu, 25 Apr 2019, 10:27 Chris Woolf via Tech1, wrote: > Well.... you probably don't qualify because your pension income is likely > to be too high, but that wasn't a scam. You can indeed get a free boiler > replacement for old devices, though her explanation wasn't correct. > > Your old boiler, after service, could well be ~100% efficient according to > its original spec, but it is likely to be closer to 55% efficient compared > to a modern design. The ECO scheme is intended to get rid of the most > inefficient boilers and therefore improve national carbon footprint > figures, as well as looking good for fuel poverty numbers, though (of > course) the scheme hasn't been given enough money to really do much good. > > Private firms get paid to do the replacement work by the government grant > - hence the sales talk - and the household gets a free replacement as well > as lower running costs. > > The running costs on ~your~ system would almost certainly drop > significantly if you replaced your boiler, but the sums are never simple. > Modern condensing boilers are extremely efficient, saving you negative > revenue - but rarely long lasting - you wouldn't get 20 years out of them. > > Of course you could change over to a ~really~ efficient heating system - > heat pumps beat any boiler hands down, but do cost rather more in capital > terms. > > Chris Woolf > On 25/04/2019 09:26, Michael York via Tech1 wrote: > > Yesterday I was expecting a call from someone not on my list so when a > Private Caller rang, I answered it. > > It was a lady who sked me if my boiler was more than ten years old, I said > it was - about 16 years. She said that there was a scheme to replace > boilers more than ten years old which would be self funding because by now > my boiler would have lost 55% of its efficiency. > > I said that figure was ridiculous and that I had recently had my boiler > stripped down and service and my trusted man who said it was fine. > However, I accept it might have lost say 10% of its efficiency which would > equate to about ?50 a year, so if a new boiler cost ?1000, I would be 20 > years getting my money back - I said you do the maths! > > She was lost for words - I ended the call. It tried to block it but > number withheld. > > Mike > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave at davesound.co.uk Thu Apr 25 08:36:50 2019 From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2019 14:36:50 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Sales Calls In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <57aa4544e1dave@davesound.co.uk> In article , Michael York via Tech1 wrote: > It was a lady who sked me if my boiler was more than ten years old, I > said it was - about 16 years. She said that there was a scheme to > replace boilers more than ten years old which would be self funding > because by now my boiler would have lost 55% of its efficiency. I would have asked where all that now useless energy was going. Unburnt gas straight out the flue? How does it do that without burning? Or heat not being transferred into the water? If so, just were does it end up? Is the flue glowing red hot? ;-) My boiler may not be quite 15 years old, but includes a sensor in the exhaust. If that sees the burners not working correctly (by analysing the exhaust gasses) it shuts down. -- *Don't worry; it only seems kinky the first time.* Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From jpn at imixmics.co.uk Thu Apr 25 10:26:53 2019 From: jpn at imixmics.co.uk (John Nottage) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2019 16:26:53 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] [SPAM?] drinks. In-Reply-To: <74cad76c-e26f-eb9d-b8f9-09f514c374c2@gmail.com> References: <1525427612.5460878.1556096143435.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1525427612.5460878.1556096143435@mail.yahoo.com> <9fc009e1-ec82-a069-038e-9a19313067bb@imixmics.co.uk> <74cad76c-e26f-eb9d-b8f9-09f514c374c2@gmail.com> Message-ID: Have you tried Adnams Alcohol Free Ghost Ship, Bernie? I drink a lot of it since they invented it. It tastes almost the same as the normal Ghost Ship: i.e. like proper beer. They remove 95% of the alcohol after brewing rather than brewing it without the alcohol, which is why it tastes so good. I'm just back from the Adnams AGM. Their Alcohol Free Ghost Ship is selling very well. More people are drinking low or zero alcohol drinks these days. Highly recommended. https://www.adnams.co.uk/beer/adnams-ghost-ship-0-5.htm John On 25/04/2019 09:47, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: > I sort of have to pursue a low alcohol regime these days, and I've > rediscovered something from long ago.? Sparkling water with a few drops > of Angostura Bitters. 44% alcohol, but very little of it, whilst adding > a considerable adjustment in the taste > > B > > > > On 25/04/2019 08:15, John Nottage via Tech1 wrote: >> Big Tom tomato juice - kicks like an old skinhead with his bovver boots!! >> >> John >> >> On 24/04/2019 09:55, Gary Critcher via Tech1 wrote: >>> ?? One of my absolute favourite tipples these days is a spoonful of >>> Bovril in a mug, hot water,? topped up with LASHINGS of Worcester >>> Sauce....now THAT has a nice kick to it! >>> >>> >>> >>> ??? Gary >>> >> >> > > From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk Thu Apr 25 11:38:39 2019 From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2019 17:38:39 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Sales Calls In-Reply-To: <57aa4544e1dave@davesound.co.uk> References: <57aa4544e1dave@davesound.co.uk> Message-ID: <280f70ae-b179-d88f-8b66-3c8aa996315b@chriswoolf.co.uk> On 25/04/2019 14:36, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: > I would have asked where all that now useless energy was going. Unburnt > gas straight out the flue? How does it do that without burning? Or heat > not being transferred into the water? If so, just were does it end up? Is > the flue glowing red hot? ;-) > > My boiler may not be quite 15 years old, but includes a sensor in the > exhaust. If that sees the burners not working correctly (by analysing the > exhaust gasses) it shuts down. Your flue won't be glowing red hot, but it will be delivering quite a lot of hot waste gases directly to the atmosphere. With a conventional style boiler 70% total efficiency is the maximum feasible, and most older boilers won't even achieve that. If the device is in a part of the house you want heated then you get some benefit from the (unnecessarily) hot housing, but if it is out in the garage (say) then that heat is wasted too. Really efficient modern condensing boilers use the flue gas heat and preheat the cold water coming in. They can translate almost all the heat from burning gas into hot water, which is what you need. Their weakness is that the heat exchangers need to be pretty thin to achieve good heat transfer, and thus liable to corroding away. The exhaust sensor is there to monitor the burner for safety rather than efficiency. If every new house was installed with a heat pump the energy efficiency jumps from ~90% to something nearer 400%, but our government has never had the nerve to mandate it. Chris Woolf --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From keithwicksuk at gmail.com Thu Apr 25 12:03:11 2019 From: keithwicksuk at gmail.com (Keith Wicks) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2019 18:03:11 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Brown sauce In-Reply-To: <969CE034-D26A-4766-9C7E-863CB702D2CC@vincent68.plus.com> References: <2138697782.2831811.1556098390431@mail.yahoo.com> <969CE034-D26A-4766-9C7E-863CB702D2CC@vincent68.plus.com> Message-ID: I'm not to blame either. After years of voting in every election, I became dissatified and decided to become a floating voter, waiting for a trustworthy political party to come up with ideas worth voting for. Alas, in my opinion that has yet to happen. I can understand a vote for the Monster Raving Loony Party. At least they are honest about their mental abilities. KW On Thu, 25 Apr 2019 at 12:30, John Vincent via Tech1 wrote: > Don't blame me Roger. I voted Monster Raving Loony. > > JV > > > On 24 Apr 2019, at 10:33, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 wrote: > > As has been said before, the problem with satire programmes, these days, > is that it's almost impossible for comedians to come up with anything more > ludicrous than reality itself. And, if you think politicians are idiots, > just remember who voted for them - We all did! > > luv, Rog. > > > On Wednesday, 24 April 2019, 00:13:23 BST, dave.mdv via Tech1 < > tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote: > > > I can't remember if it was stated on the BBC David Frost satire prog., > TWTWTW, that George Brown, the foreign secretary at the time, had learnt > all of his French language from the side of an HP sauce bottle! Cheers, > Dave. PS. Couldn't we do with a 2019 version of TWTWTW to put these > Westminster clowns in place? > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave at davesound.co.uk Thu Apr 25 12:16:04 2019 From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2019 18:16:04 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Sales Calls In-Reply-To: <280f70ae-b179-d88f-8b66-3c8aa996315b@chriswoolf.co.uk> References: <57aa4544e1dave@davesound.co.uk> <280f70ae-b179-d88f-8b66-3c8aa996315b@chriswoolf.co.uk> Message-ID: <57aa5956d4dave@davesound.co.uk> In article <280f70ae-b179-d88f-8b66-3c8aa996315b at chriswoolf.co.uk>, Chris Woolf via Tech1 wrote: > On 25/04/2019 14:36, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: > > I would have asked where all that now useless energy was going. > > Unburnt gas straight out the flue? How does it do that without > > burning? Or heat not being transferred into the water? If so, just > > were does it end up? Is the flue glowing red hot? ;-) > > > > My boiler may not be quite 15 years old, but includes a sensor in the > > exhaust. If that sees the burners not working correctly (by analysing > > the exhaust gasses) it shuts down. > Your flue won't be glowing red hot, but it will be delivering quite a > lot of hot waste gases directly to the atmosphere. With a conventional > style boiler 70% total efficiency is the maximum feasible, and most > older boilers won't even achieve that. Mine is a condensing boiler. I very much doubt conventional boilers ever analysed the exhaust gases. > If the device is in a part of the > house you want heated then you get some benefit from the (unnecessarily) > hot housing, but if it is out in the garage (say) then that heat is > wasted too. Boiler is in the bathroom. The original, a balanced flue Potterton cast iron lump kept the room toastie. Had to fit an additional rad with this Viessmann. > Really efficient modern condensing boilers use the flue gas heat and > preheat the cold water coming in. They can translate almost all the heat > from burning gas into hot water, which is what you need. Their weakness > is that the heat exchangers need to be pretty thin to achieve good heat > transfer, and thus liable to corroding away. > The exhaust sensor is there to monitor the burner for safety rather than > efficiency. > If every new house was installed with a heat pump the energy efficiency > jumps from ~90% to something nearer 400%, but our government has never > had the nerve to mandate it. It would make even more sense to insulate them properly. And provide grants to do older houses too. > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus -- *Yes, I am an agent of Satan, but my duties are largely ceremonial Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From graeme.wall at icloud.com Thu Apr 25 13:32:02 2019 From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2019 19:32:02 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Brown sauce In-Reply-To: References: <2138697782.2831811.1556098390431@mail.yahoo.com> <969CE034-D26A-4766-9C7E-863CB702D2CC@vincent68.plus.com> Message-ID: <836A36ED-6425-4D3E-81CD-5D9D496A9FAA@icloud.com> The MRLs have actually come up with a surprising number of policies at local council level that actually get adopted by the mainstream parties! ? Graeme Wall > On 25 Apr 2019, at 18:03, Keith Wicks via Tech1 wrote: > > I'm not to blame either. After years of voting in every election, I became dissatified and decided to become a floating voter, waiting for a trustworthy political party to come up with ideas worth voting for. Alas, in my opinion that has yet to happen. I can understand a vote for the Monster Raving Loony Party. At least they are honest about their mental abilities. > KW > > > On Thu, 25 Apr 2019 at 12:30, John Vincent via Tech1 wrote: > Don't blame me Roger. I voted Monster Raving Loony. > > JV > > > On 24 Apr 2019, at 10:33, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 wrote: > >> As has been said before, the problem with satire programmes, these days, is that it's almost impossible for comedians to come up with anything more ludicrous than reality itself. And, if you think politicians are idiots, just remember who voted for them - We all did! >> >> luv, Rog. >> >> >> On Wednesday, 24 April 2019, 00:13:23 BST, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: >> >> >> I can't remember if it was stated on the BBC David Frost satire prog., >> TWTWTW, that George Brown, the foreign secretary at the time, had learnt >> all of his French language from the side of an HP sauce bottle! Cheers, >> Dave. PS. Couldn't we do with a 2019 version of TWTWTW to put these >> Westminster clowns in place? >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From j at howell61.f9.co.uk Thu Apr 25 15:42:17 2019 From: j at howell61.f9.co.uk (John Howell) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2019 21:42:17 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Sales Calls In-Reply-To: <280f70ae-b179-d88f-8b66-3c8aa996315b@chriswoolf.co.uk> References: <57aa4544e1dave@davesound.co.uk> <280f70ae-b179-d88f-8b66-3c8aa996315b@chriswoolf.co.uk> Message-ID: On 25/04/2019 17:38, Chris Woolf via Tech1 wrote: > > > If every new house was installed with a heat pump the energy > efficiency jumps from ~90% to something nearer 400%, but our > government has never had the nerve to mandate it. > Chris, where does a heat pump get its thermal energy from? It can only be the air, the ground, or, if you are really lucky, a stream at the bottom of your garden! Can a heat pump extract enough energy from cold winter air to give lots of hot water? How would it work for a large block of flats? John H. From waresound at msn.com Thu Apr 25 16:05:17 2019 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2019 21:05:17 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Sales Calls In-Reply-To: References: <57aa4544e1dave@davesound.co.uk> <280f70ae-b179-d88f-8b66-3c8aa996315b@chriswoolf.co.uk>, Message-ID: Anyone interested in energy efficiency might like to Google: ?The Cropthorne Autonomous House?. Our sound colleague, friend, and IPS member, Mike Coe built an ultra energy efficient house, which I think he has now sold and moved on to build another. How I wish I had the gumption and, yes, energy, to do that! Cheers, Nick. Sent from my iPad On 25 Apr 2019, at 21:42, John Howell via Tech1 > wrote: On 25/04/2019 17:38, Chris Woolf via Tech1 wrote: If every new house was installed with a heat pump the energy efficiency jumps from ~90% to something nearer 400%, but our government has never had the nerve to mandate it. Chris, where does a heat pump get its thermal energy from? It can only be the air, the ground, or, if you are really lucky, a stream at the bottom of your garden! Can a heat pump extract enough energy from cold winter air to give lots of hot water? How would it work for a large block of flats? John H. -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Thu Apr 25 16:24:27 2019 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2019 22:24:27 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Heat pumps In-Reply-To: References: <57aa4544e1dave@davesound.co.uk> <280f70ae-b179-d88f-8b66-3c8aa996315b@chriswoolf.co.uk> Message-ID: <73b1f4c9-b069-7080-6333-1be3bd163f63@btinternet.com> Last year my son moved into a new barn conversion in Brauncewell, near RAF Cranwell. It belongs to Mr. Dyson, the vacuum cleaner tycoon. He has been buying up farms all over the place, converting the out-buildings for rent, and they have a heat pump in the garden for under floor heating and hot water. Mr. Dyson's farms still do farming and he can leave them all to his family and pay no tax! He is reputed to own more land than the Queen! Clever guy! Cheers, Dave From geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com Thu Apr 25 16:58:49 2019 From: geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com (geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2019 22:58:49 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Heat pumps Message-ID: <001401d4fbb2$1043db60$30cb9220$@gmail.com> I recall that an old colleague who lives not far from me in the Chess valley installed one with high hopes in the early seventies. He said later that never experienced much economy with his during the coldest months and finally sold it. The mechanical size of the air to water model was equal to two coal bunkers and not suited to a modern dwelling He says you couldn't have swung a cat with that particular model installed, should that have been your proclivity... Geoff -----Original Message----- From: Tech1 [mailto:tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk] On Behalf Of dave.mdv via Tech1 Sent: 25 April 2019 22:24 To: John Howell; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Heat pumps Last year my son moved into a new barn conversion in Brauncewell, near RAF Cranwell. It belongs to Mr. Dyson, the vacuum cleaner tycoon. He has been buying up farms all over the place, converting the out-buildings for rent, and they have a heat pump in the garden for under floor heating and hot water. Mr. Dyson's farms still do farming and he can leave them all to his family and pay no tax! He is reputed to own more land than the Queen! Clever guy! Cheers, Dave -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From relong at btinternet.com Thu Apr 25 17:52:50 2019 From: relong at btinternet.com (Roger E Long) Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2019 23:52:50 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Heat pumps In-Reply-To: <73b1f4c9-b069-7080-6333-1be3bd163f63@btinternet.com> References: <57aa4544e1dave@davesound.co.uk> <280f70ae-b179-d88f-8b66-3c8aa996315b@chriswoolf.co.uk> <73b1f4c9-b069-7080-6333-1be3bd163f63@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <2D4465D6-A3EB-4CA3-A8B4-756C48E4E630@btinternet.com> Im currently insulating my rambling cottage Roof coming off, max insulation installed on walls as well The most advantage so far, after double glazing was a 67mm thermal panel door on the integral garage That is now at 18 degree C from the deep freeze, washing machine and spin drier Prior to that it was a 3mm steel roller door with air gaps all around. The bedroom above is 5 degrees warmer, all down to an air sealed door and thermal isolation Hopefully the roof and wall insulation will offer similar benefit I haven?t tried for Govt aid ,if it still exists, as I fear bureaucratic overload and depression?. Planning and the environmental controls were enough to reach for the Bottle of Scotch and the Luger. As for heat pumps , a local convert managed to freeze his lawn this winter from his extraction efforts. Roger > On 25 Apr 2019, at 22:24, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: > > Last year my son moved into a new barn conversion in Brauncewell, near RAF Cranwell. It belongs to Mr. Dyson, the vacuum cleaner tycoon. He has been buying up farms all over the place, converting the out-buildings for rent, and they have a heat pump in the garden for under floor heating and hot water. Mr. Dyson's farms still do farming and he can leave them all to his family and pay no tax! He is reputed to own more land than the Queen! Clever guy! Cheers, Dave > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From s.k.edwards at btinternet.com Thu Apr 25 18:05:20 2019 From: s.k.edwards at btinternet.com (Steve Edwards) Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2019 00:05:20 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Heat pumps In-Reply-To: <73b1f4c9-b069-7080-6333-1be3bd163f63@btinternet.com> References: <57aa4544e1dave@davesound.co.uk> <280f70ae-b179-d88f-8b66-3c8aa996315b@chriswoolf.co.uk> <73b1f4c9-b069-7080-6333-1be3bd163f63@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <9FA95A0F-8D6B-469A-95E5-94CAC16EB888@btinternet.com> Dyson? You?ve started me off again.... Hmmm - not sure about a ?clever guy? - I would have said a greeeedy guy! I take it he?s not yet manufacturing heat pumps ? I hope those heat pumps he?s using last longer than one of his Vacuum cleaners! As I write this replacing the motor again on our DC04 - It came from a waste recycling centre in Liverpool - it was full of them! It?s had one previous motor fitted only a few years ago!! No wonder he can afford to buy all that property! S PS My mothers old Electrolux of late 1960s vintage is still in regular use! Steve > On 25 Apr 2019, at 22:24, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: > > Last year my son moved into a new barn conversion in Brauncewell, near RAF Cranwell. It belongs to Mr. Dyson, the vacuum cleaner tycoon. He has been buying up farms all over the place, converting the out-buildings for rent, and they have a heat pump in the garden for under floor heating and hot water. Mr. Dyson's farms still do farming and he can leave them all to his family and pay no tax! He is reputed to own more land than the Queen! Clever guy! Cheers, Dave > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Thu Apr 25 19:22:57 2019 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2019 01:22:57 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Dyson In-Reply-To: <9FA95A0F-8D6B-469A-95E5-94CAC16EB888@btinternet.com> References: <57aa4544e1dave@davesound.co.uk> <280f70ae-b179-d88f-8b66-3c8aa996315b@chriswoolf.co.uk> <73b1f4c9-b069-7080-6333-1be3bd163f63@btinternet.com> <9FA95A0F-8D6B-469A-95E5-94CAC16EB888@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <133542c7-8395-c274-f52e-ef568e0597a8@btinternet.com> Many years ago, when you could take your rubbish to the nearest tip, I was amazed to see whole containers full of Dyson vacuums! My first son-in-law worked in an electrical repair shop and they hated Dysons, as the moment you opened them the collected dust flew everywhere! Of course, that didn't matter to the great man as he had made a sale or million! Cheers, Dave. From mibridge at mac.com Fri Apr 26 00:54:58 2019 From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles) Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2019 06:54:58 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Dyson In-Reply-To: <133542c7-8395-c274-f52e-ef568e0597a8@btinternet.com> References: <57aa4544e1dave@davesound.co.uk> <280f70ae-b179-d88f-8b66-3c8aa996315b@chriswoolf.co.uk> <73b1f4c9-b069-7080-6333-1be3bd163f63@btinternet.com> <9FA95A0F-8D6B-469A-95E5-94CAC16EB888@btinternet.com> <133542c7-8395-c274-f52e-ef568e0597a8@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <94FAF3B5-9D63-40CE-9630-16A38C8C15F3@mac.com> I believe that many Dysons were dumped because they had apparently failed, but merely needed their filters washed. We?ve had a full size one and a hand-held for years without grief. The hand-held needs its filter washed now as it doesn?t keep running - usually a clear indication. Can?t say I like Mr Dyson though, so I would definitely look at alternatives if we needed a new one. Mime G > On 26 Apr 2019, at 01:22, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: > > Many years ago, when you could take your rubbish to the nearest tip, I was amazed to see whole containers full of Dyson vacuums! My first son-in-law worked in an electrical repair shop and they hated Dysons, as the moment you opened them the collected dust flew everywhere! Of course, that didn't matter to the great man as he had made a sale or million! Cheers, Dave. > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From alanaudio at me.com Fri Apr 26 01:47:09 2019 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2019 07:47:09 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Dyson In-Reply-To: <94FAF3B5-9D63-40CE-9630-16A38C8C15F3@mac.com> References: <57aa4544e1dave@davesound.co.uk> <280f70ae-b179-d88f-8b66-3c8aa996315b@chriswoolf.co.uk> <73b1f4c9-b069-7080-6333-1be3bd163f63@btinternet.com> <9FA95A0F-8D6B-469A-95E5-94CAC16EB888@btinternet.com> <133542c7-8395-c274-f52e-ef568e0597a8@btinternet.com> <94FAF3B5-9D63-40CE-9630-16A38C8C15F3@mac.com> Message-ID: <92B7915A-0E19-4E75-851D-EF2B5761DC52@me.com> For anybody looking for a long lasting vacuum cleaner, I would put in a word for Miele. My first wife used to break vacuum cleaners all the time and over the years we must have purchased every brand, including a couple of Dysons. When she fancied buying a Miele, I was a bit wary about spending twice as much as for most other brands, but went for it anyway. Twelve years later it was still working well, but she broke the latch on the flip-up lid. I was able to get a replacement part direct from Miele at Abingdon and the guy explained that it's their policy to stock all spare parts for at least ten years after a model is discontinued and they have most parts for models discontinued twenty or more years ago. Now that I've re-married, it was a no brainer to get another Miele and this vacuum cleaner is going strong too. It's also worth pointing out that for anybody considering their larger appliances, Miele have a showroom adjacent to the A34 at Abingdon and they have their appliances set up for demonstration. The washing machines are properly plumbed in and cookers are fully operational. It means that if you want to know how noisy the clothes washer spin cycle is, or whether setting the oven timer is fiddly, you can judge it for yourself before making a purchase decision. Alan Taylor On 26 Apr 2019, at 26 Apr . 06:54, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: > I believe that many Dysons were dumped because they had apparently failed, but merely needed their filters washed. We?ve had a full size one and a hand-held for years without grief. The hand-held needs its filter washed now as it doesn?t keep running - usually a clear indication. > > Can?t say I like Mr Dyson though, so I would definitely look at alternatives if we needed a new one. > > Mime G > >> On 26 Apr 2019, at 01:22, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: >> >> Many years ago, when you could take your rubbish to the nearest tip, I was amazed to see whole containers full of Dyson vacuums! My first son-in-law worked in an electrical repair shop and they hated Dysons, as the moment you opened them the collected dust flew everywhere! Of course, that didn't matter to the great man as he had made a sale or million! Cheers, Dave. >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From mikej at bmanor.co.uk Fri Apr 26 02:26:19 2019 From: mikej at bmanor.co.uk (Mike Jordan) Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2019 08:26:19 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Dyson In-Reply-To: <92B7915A-0E19-4E75-851D-EF2B5761DC52@me.com> References: <57aa4544e1dave@davesound.co.uk><280f70ae-b179-d88f-8b66-3c8aa996315b@chriswoolf.co.uk><73b1f4c9-b069-7080-6333-1be3bd163f63@btinternet.com><9FA95A0F-8D6B-469A-95E5-94CAC16EB888@btinternet.com><133542c7-8395-c274-f52e-ef568e0597a8@btinternet.com><94FAF3B5-9D63-40CE-9630-16A38C8C15F3@mac.com> <92B7915A-0E19-4E75-851D-EF2B5761DC52@me.com> Message-ID: Talking of Dysons, the Guardian "long read" yesterday was all about hand dryers in public toilets etc. Went at length into history of electric dryers and poos and cons of paper vs electric. 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Steve > On 26 Apr 2019, at 08:26, Mike Jordan via Tech1 wrote: > > Talking of Dysons, the Guardian "long read" yesterday was all about hand dryers in public toilets etc. > Went at length into history of electric dryers and poos and cons of paper vs electric. > Loads of stuff about Mr Dysons tricks > Not sure if I am supposed to send Guardian pages but have a look at these > > Mike > > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jeff at jeffnaylor.co.uk Fri Apr 26 03:07:51 2019 From: jeff at jeffnaylor.co.uk (Jeff Naylor) Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2019 09:07:51 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Dyson Message-ID: I've seen the ranks of broken Dyson vacuums at the tip too - all the same model as the one I was adding. What is digital about the "digital motor" that he claims to have invented? 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I have 5 x 80m boreholes for mine and the ground loop temperature is a pretty constant 12?C all the year round. Heat pumps are pretty widely used in Europe and wherever there is a low grade source of heat they are very effective. After all it is only a fridge running backwards. And yes, there are blocks of flats being heated by them. If you are putting in piling to hold the flats up you can put in boreholes going down at the same time. Chris Woolf On 25/04/2019 21:42, John Howell via Tech1 wrote: > > On 25/04/2019 17:38, Chris Woolf via Tech1 wrote: >> >> >> If every new house was installed with a heat pump the energy >> efficiency jumps from ~90% to something nearer 400%, but our >> government has never had the nerve to mandate it. >> > Chris, where does a heat pump get its thermal energy from? > > It can only be the air, the ground, or, if you are really lucky, a > stream at the bottom of your garden! > > Can a heat pump extract enough energy from cold winter air to give > lots of hot water? > > > How would it work for a large block of flats? > > John H. > > --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com Fri Apr 26 04:20:33 2019 From: geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com (Geoffrey Hawkes) Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2019 10:20:33 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Dyson In-Reply-To: <92B7915A-0E19-4E75-851D-EF2B5761DC52@me.com> References: <57aa4544e1dave@davesound.co.uk> <280f70ae-b179-d88f-8b66-3c8aa996315b@chriswoolf.co.uk> <73b1f4c9-b069-7080-6333-1be3bd163f63@btinternet.com> <9FA95A0F-8D6B-469A-95E5-94CAC16EB888@btinternet.com> <133542c7-8395-c274-f52e-ef568e0597a8@btinternet.com> <94FAF3B5-9D63-40CE-9630-16A38C8C15F3@mac.com> <92B7915A-0E19-4E75-851D-EF2B5761DC52@me.com> Message-ID: <47174B94-B814-4793-B0FB-29D58B7624E5@gmail.com> We have a Miele vacuum cleaner to replace our old Bosch one, having been recommended to the brand by our local domestic appliance shop and our daughter has one too. Ours is just coming up to its 10th birthday and still going strong. It?s hand held vacs that we haven?t had as much success with. Years ago we bought a B&D DustBuster when they were all the rage but it hadn?t got a very good power reserve or was very effective. A couple of years ago we got a Dyson Car & Boat, mainly to do the car with but I?m not terribly impressed with it and still prefer to lug out the old Bosch one that still does the job even though the nozzle is damaged at the end and doesn?t fit the crevice attachment very well, Geoff Hawkes Sent from my iPhone > On 26 Apr 2019, at 07:47, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: > > For anybody looking for a long lasting vacuum cleaner, I would put in a word for Miele. My first wife used to break vacuum cleaners all the time and over the years we must have purchased every brand, including a couple of Dysons. When she fancied buying a Miele, I was a bit wary about spending twice as much as for most other brands, but went for it anyway. Twelve years later it was still working well, but she broke the latch on the flip-up lid. I was able to get a replacement part direct from Miele at Abingdon and the guy explained that it's their policy to stock all spare parts for at least ten years after a model is discontinued and they have most parts for models discontinued twenty or more years ago. > > Now that I've re-married, it was a no brainer to get another Miele and this vacuum cleaner is going strong too. It's also worth pointing out that for anybody considering their larger appliances, Miele have a showroom adjacent to the A34 at Abingdon and they have their appliances set up for demonstration. The washing machines are properly plumbed in and cookers are fully operational. It means that if you want to know how noisy the clothes washer spin cycle is, or whether setting the oven timer is fiddly, you can judge it for yourself before making a purchase decision. > > Alan Taylor > > > >> On 26 Apr 2019, at 26 Apr . 06:54, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: >> >> I believe that many Dysons were dumped because they had apparently failed, but merely needed their filters washed. We?ve had a full size one and a hand-held for years without grief. The hand-held needs its filter washed now as it doesn?t keep running - usually a clear indication. >> >> Can?t say I like Mr Dyson though, so I would definitely look at alternatives if we needed a new one. >> >> Mime G >> >>> On 26 Apr 2019, at 01:22, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: >>> >>> Many years ago, when you could take your rubbish to the nearest tip, I was amazed to see whole containers full of Dyson vacuums! My first son-in-law worked in an electrical repair shop and they hated Dysons, as the moment you opened them the collected dust flew everywhere! Of course, that didn't matter to the great man as he had made a sale or million! Cheers, Dave. >>> >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From dave at davesound.co.uk Fri Apr 26 04:47:26 2019 From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman) Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2019 10:47:26 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Dyson In-Reply-To: <47174B94-B814-4793-B0FB-29D58B7624E5@gmail.com> References: <47174B94-B814-4793-B0FB-29D58B7624E5@gmail.com> Message-ID: <57aab419f5dave@davesound.co.uk> Round about 1990, I was in need of a new upright cleaner. Looked at Which, and one of their best buys was a Panasonic. Now at the time I worked for Thames who had loads of Panasonic (MII) gear, and I'd already bought a Panasonic S VHS through the company at vast discount. So did the same with the vacuum. And it's still going strong. Very noisy, though. Only real problem was the light only lasted a short while. Essential if you hoover in the dark. ;-) Elderly neighbour is a Dyson fan. Only thing, she says, which picks up dog hair. I fixed her first one several times. Main flex fractured. On/off switch failed. Both of which say to be poor quality parts. And of course blocked filters. Think she is on her third Dyson to my one Panasonic. -- *How do they get the deer to cross at that yellow road sign? Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From bernie833 at gmail.com Fri Apr 26 05:38:13 2019 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2019 11:38:13 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Dyson In-Reply-To: <47174B94-B814-4793-B0FB-29D58B7624E5@gmail.com> References: <57aa4544e1dave@davesound.co.uk> <280f70ae-b179-d88f-8b66-3c8aa996315b@chriswoolf.co.uk> <73b1f4c9-b069-7080-6333-1be3bd163f63@btinternet.com> <9FA95A0F-8D6B-469A-95E5-94CAC16EB888@btinternet.com> <133542c7-8395-c274-f52e-ef568e0597a8@btinternet.com> <94FAF3B5-9D63-40CE-9630-16A38C8C15F3@mac.com> <92B7915A-0E19-4E75-851D-EF2B5761DC52@me.com> <47174B94-B814-4793-B0FB-29D58B7624E5@gmail.com> Message-ID: <8b94c1e8-d135-481d-fe92-1a2569ccbef3@gmail.com> We too have a Miele vacuum cleaner. It's our second, after the first was ruined by "someone" not getting a filter in correctly. We'd had that a long time. This newish one is lower powered, by EU rules, but it works just as well - and it costs rather less than a Dyson. We also have a Liebherr fridge, made in the same factory as Miele. We just replaced our freezer. The old one worked fine, but the seals and bits of plastic were finally past repairing. Our new one, a Beko,? doesn't ice up, as it uses a fan to push cold air round.? No defrosting required. B On 26/04/2019 10:20, Geoffrey Hawkes via Tech1 wrote: > We have a Miele vacuum cleaner to replace our old Bosch one, having been recommended to the brand by our local domestic appliance shop and our daughter has one too. Ours is just coming up to its 10th birthday and still going strong. > It?s hand held vacs that we haven?t had as much success with. Years ago we bought a B&D DustBuster when they were all the rage but it hadn?t got a very good power reserve or was very effective. A couple of years ago we got a Dyson Car & Boat, mainly to do the car with but I?m not terribly impressed with it and still prefer to lug out the old Bosch one that still does the job even though the nozzle is damaged at the end and doesn?t fit the crevice attachment very well, > > Geoff Hawkes > Sent from my iPhone > >> On 26 Apr 2019, at 07:47, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: >> >> For anybody looking for a long lasting vacuum cleaner, I would put in a word for Miele. My first wife used to break vacuum cleaners all the time and over the years we must have purchased every brand, including a couple of Dysons. When she fancied buying a Miele, I was a bit wary about spending twice as much as for most other brands, but went for it anyway. Twelve years later it was still working well, but she broke the latch on the flip-up lid. I was able to get a replacement part direct from Miele at Abingdon and the guy explained that it's their policy to stock all spare parts for at least ten years after a model is discontinued and they have most parts for models discontinued twenty or more years ago. >> >> Now that I've re-married, it was a no brainer to get another Miele and this vacuum cleaner is going strong too. It's also worth pointing out that for anybody considering their larger appliances, Miele have a showroom adjacent to the A34 at Abingdon and they have their appliances set up for demonstration. The washing machines are properly plumbed in and cookers are fully operational. It means that if you want to know how noisy the clothes washer spin cycle is, or whether setting the oven timer is fiddly, you can judge it for yourself before making a purchase decision. >> >> Alan Taylor >> >> >> >>> On 26 Apr 2019, at 26 Apr . 06:54, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: >>> >>> I believe that many Dysons were dumped because they had apparently failed, but merely needed their filters washed. We?ve had a full size one and a hand-held for years without grief. The hand-held needs its filter washed now as it doesn?t keep running - usually a clear indication. >>> >>> Can?t say I like Mr Dyson though, so I would definitely look at alternatives if we needed a new one. >>> >>> Mime G >>> >>>> On 26 Apr 2019, at 01:22, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: >>>> >>>> Many years ago, when you could take your rubbish to the nearest tip, I was amazed to see whole containers full of Dyson vacuums! My first son-in-law worked in an electrical repair shop and they hated Dysons, as the moment you opened them the collected dust flew everywhere! Of course, that didn't matter to the great man as he had made a sale or million! Cheers, Dave. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>> >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk Fri Apr 26 07:07:16 2019 From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf) Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2019 13:07:16 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Dyson In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I think the ball barrow was the only thing that Dyson can really claim to have invented. Everything else is PR, and borrowing ideas that have been in use a long time. The cyclone principle has been used for dust extraction in sawmills since the 30s. The so called bladeless fan is merely a ducted stream system - again, very old. The digital motor is an electronically commutated design - so the switching of the poles as it rotates is "digital". But Dyson was far from the first to bring that in. He's a bit like Logie Baird - a great claimer of "inventing" but actually just a borrower of ideas. He likes to put it about that his first invention was the Rotork Sea Truck - in reality he worked with the real inventors on version 3, when he was a design student. And his gear has the most terrible reputation for reliability - it just isn't built to last. He had to give up on his washing machine because it was so poorly designed, though he gave a slightly different excuse for removing it from the market. As to Dyson producing an electric car.... He's been using UK government cash to develop the idea, of course (even though it will be built in Singapore), but I don't hold much hope that it will be on sale in 2020 or that it will be a world-beater. Chris Woolf On 26/04/2019 09:07, Jeff Naylor via Tech1 wrote: > I've seen the ranks of broken Dyson vacuums at the tip too - all the > same model as the one I was adding. > > What is digital about the "digital motor" that he claims to have > invented? Or does he just mean "controlled by digital circuitry"? > > also this: > http://www.eevblog.com/2010/12/13/eevblog-132-delusional-dyson-marketing/ > --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From s.k.edwards at btinternet.com Fri Apr 26 08:44:19 2019 From: s.k.edwards at btinternet.com (Steve Edwards) Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2019 14:44:19 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Dyson In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Ah, the Ball Barrow! I?d almost forgotten about that: Not a success on your typical building site or where there was any real work going on. I can?t help thinking his mentors may be Apple corp. If there is ever an award for the greatest number of products (other than tea bags) found at recycling tips made by just one company, I think Dyson should be nominated. ....And for the part he?s played in contributing to worldwide pollution ??? . Steve > On 26 Apr 2019, at 13:07, Chris Woolf via Tech1 wrote: > > I think the ball barrow was the only thing that Dyson can really claim to have invented. Everything else is PR, and borrowing ideas that have been in use a long time. The cyclone principle has been used for dust extraction in sawmills since the 30s. The so called bladeless fan is merely a ducted stream system - again, very old. > > The digital motor is an electronically commutated design - so the switching of the poles as it rotates is "digital". But Dyson was far from the first to bring that in. > > He's a bit like Logie Baird - a great claimer of "inventing" but actually just a borrower of ideas. He likes to put it about that his first invention was the Rotork Sea Truck - in reality he worked with the real inventors on version 3, when he was a design student. > > And his gear has the most terrible reputation for reliability - it just isn't built to last. He had to give up on his washing machine because it was so poorly designed, though he gave a slightly different excuse for removing it from the market. > > As to Dyson producing an electric car.... He's been using UK government cash to develop the idea, of course (even though it will be built in Singapore), but I don't hold much hope that it will be on sale in 2020 or that it will be a world-beater. > > Chris Woolf > > > >> On 26/04/2019 09:07, Jeff Naylor via Tech1 wrote: >> I've seen the ranks of broken Dyson vacuums at the tip too - all the same model as the one I was adding. >> >> What is digital about the "digital motor" that he claims to have invented? Or does he just mean "controlled by digital circuitry"? >> >> also this: http://www.eevblog.com/2010/12/13/eevblog-132-delusional-dyson-marketing/ > > Virus-free. www.avast.com > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From waresound at msn.com Fri Apr 26 08:53:54 2019 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2019 13:53:54 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Dyson In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: Shortly before we moved house about six weeks ago, I took two Henrys, an upright Dyson and a stupid robot thing to the local charity shop. We still have one Henry and a brand new upright Miele. Yesterday, an Amazon delivery came, bringing a Dyson v8 Animal. Don?t ask me why we needed it, but only time will tell..... The thing that puzzles me about the Henry is that they?ve been around for a few years now, and the makers still haven?t learnt that it needs bigger front wheels. They?re absurdly small. A gentle tug on the hose, and it trips over itself every time, ending up on its side at every carpet edge. It can?t even step over its own cable without tumbling over. I did point this out to Henry a couple of times, but I suppose as long as it?s selling, they won?t bother. Cheers, Nick. PS. Why so many Henrys? Daughters at Uni, etc., no longer needing them, so they get dumped on us (along with crockery, pans, Le Creuset in all shapes and sizes, and boxes of God knows what). Sent from my iPad On 26 Apr 2019, at 13:08, Chris Woolf via Tech1 > wrote: I think the ball barrow was the only thing that Dyson can really claim to have invented. Everything else is PR, and borrowing ideas that have been in use a long time. The cyclone principle has been used for dust extraction in sawmills since the 30s. The so called bladeless fan is merely a ducted stream system - again, very old. The digital motor is an electronically commutated design - so the switching of the poles as it rotates is "digital". But Dyson was far from the first to bring that in. He's a bit like Logie Baird - a great claimer of "inventing" but actually just a borrower of ideas. He likes to put it about that his first invention was the Rotork Sea Truck - in reality he worked with the real inventors on version 3, when he was a design student. And his gear has the most terrible reputation for reliability - it just isn't built to last. He had to give up on his washing machine because it was so poorly designed, though he gave a slightly different excuse for removing it from the market. As to Dyson producing an electric car.... He's been using UK government cash to develop the idea, of course (even though it will be built in Singapore), but I don't hold much hope that it will be on sale in 2020 or that it will be a world-beater. Chris Woolf On 26/04/2019 09:07, Jeff Naylor via Tech1 wrote: I've seen the ranks of broken Dyson vacuums at the tip too - all the same model as the one I was adding. What is digital about the "digital motor" that he claims to have invented? Or does he just mean "controlled by digital circuitry"? also this: http://www.eevblog.com/2010/12/13/eevblog-132-delusional-dyson-marketing/ [https://ipmcdn.avast.com/images/icons/icon-envelope-tick-round-orange-animated-no-repeat-v1.gif] Virus-free. www.avast.com -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From waresound at msn.com Fri Apr 26 09:41:04 2019 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2019 14:41:04 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Have I been had? Message-ID: Well, yes, I think I have. Three days after moving in I called local firm Cranleigh Aerials to see why there was no signal coming from the Satellite dish, despite my visual inspection suggesting it should. They sent an engineer same day. He was a sub-contracted probably freelance bod. He put a tester on it and said I needed a different LNB for Freesat, which is all we want. There?s easy access to dish, which is on front wall only about eight feet up. The job took about 2 minutes for the LNB and 5mins for the diagnostic. The bill came to ?214.80 inc VAT, of which ?144.00 was for the LNB. The identical LNB from CPC is ?13.35 inc VAT. I?ll be popping round to see them! Cheers, Nick. Sent from my iPad -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From s.k.edwards at btinternet.com Fri Apr 26 10:01:31 2019 From: s.k.edwards at btinternet.com (Steve Edwards) Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2019 16:01:31 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Dyson In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6D956BC8-689C-4633-86DF-D2A6CF603280@btinternet.com> We inherited a nearly new Dyson ?Animal? - that motor also failed after less than 18 months of use! Following tossing a coin on whether to bin it or repair I fitted a new motor myself ???? As far as I?m concerned the Animal models are Dyson?s badge-engineering for pet owners: As we have cats it actually takes me nearly double the time to ?Hoover? up the larger areas than a normal stand up machine. I have no patience and refuse to use it now. That?s why I?m currently repairing our old DC08 ???? Not sure of the new V8 Animal version, on the positive side it may help you believe you have the equivalent of a 3.5 litre Buick under the hood so you?ll work twice as quickly and think that machine is the best thing since sliced bread and much better than your old one. Thanks a lot Sir James. > On 26 Apr 2019, at 14:53, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: > > Shortly before we moved house about six weeks ago, I took two Henrys, an upright Dyson and a stupid robot thing to the local charity shop. We still have one Henry and a brand new upright Miele. > Yesterday, an Amazon delivery came, bringing a Dyson v8 Animal. Don?t ask me why we needed it, but only time will tell..... > The thing that puzzles me about the Henry is that they?ve been around for a few years now, and the makers still haven?t learnt that it needs bigger front wheels. They?re absurdly small. A gentle tug on the hose, and it trips over itself every time, ending up on its side at every carpet edge. It can?t even step over its own cable without tumbling over. > I did point this out to Henry a couple of times, but I suppose as long as it?s selling, they won?t bother. > Cheers, Nick. > > PS. Why so many Henrys? Daughters at Uni, etc., no longer needing them, so they get dumped on us (along with crockery, pans, Le Creuset in all shapes and sizes, and boxes of God knows what). > > Sent from my iPad > > On 26 Apr 2019, at 13:08, Chris Woolf via Tech1 wrote: > >> I think the ball barrow was the only thing that Dyson can really claim to have invented. Everything else is PR, and borrowing ideas that have been in use a long time. The cyclone principle has been used for dust extraction in sawmills since the 30s. The so called bladeless fan is merely a ducted stream system - again, very old. >> >> The digital motor is an electronically commutated design - so the switching of the poles as it rotates is "digital". But Dyson was far from the first to bring that in. >> >> He's a bit like Logie Baird - a great claimer of "inventing" but actually just a borrower of ideas. He likes to put it about that his first invention was the Rotork Sea Truck - in reality he worked with the real inventors on version 3, when he was a design student. >> >> And his gear has the most terrible reputation for reliability - it just isn't built to last. He had to give up on his washing machine because it was so poorly designed, though he gave a slightly different excuse for removing it from the market. >> >> As to Dyson producing an electric car.... He's been using UK government cash to develop the idea, of course (even though it will be built in Singapore), but I don't hold much hope that it will be on sale in 2020 or that it will be a world-beater. >> >> Chris Woolf >> >> >> >>> On 26/04/2019 09:07, Jeff Naylor via Tech1 wrote: >>> I've seen the ranks of broken Dyson vacuums at the tip too - all the same model as the one I was adding. >>> >>> What is digital about the "digital motor" that he claims to have invented? Or does he just mean "controlled by digital circuitry"? >>> >>> also this: http://www.eevblog.com/2010/12/13/eevblog-132-delusional-dyson-marketing/ >> >> Virus-free. www.avast.com >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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He put a tester on it and said I needed a different LNB for Freesat, which is all we want. > There?s easy access to dish, which is on front wall only about eight feet up. The job took about 2 minutes for the LNB and 5mins for the diagnostic. The bill came to ?214.80 inc VAT, of which ?144.00 was for the LNB. > The identical LNB from CPC is ?13.35 inc VAT. > I?ll be popping round to see them! > Cheers, > Nick. > Sent from my iPad > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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It's our second, after the first was > ruined by "someone" not getting a filter in correctly. We'd had that a > long time. This newish one is lower powered, by EU rules, but it works > just as well - and it costs rather less than a Dyson. > We also have a Liebherr fridge, made in the same factory as Miele. I have a Miele washing machine. Again, ages old. But of course it likely doesn't get the same hammering as one with a young family. The previous Indesit lasted well - but started rusting round the edges. This Miele still looks (and performs) as new. -- *Is it true that cannibals don't eat clowns because they taste funny? Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From dave at davesound.co.uk Fri Apr 26 12:10:12 2019 From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman) Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2019 18:10:12 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Have I been had? In-Reply-To: <42D79463-CF8E-4480-83A0-4B388957D3BE@me.com> References: <42D79463-CF8E-4480-83A0-4B388957D3BE@me.com> Message-ID: <57aadca396dave@davesound.co.uk> In article <42D79463-CF8E-4480-83A0-4B388957D3BE at me.com>, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: > Do you really need a different LNB for Freesat? I'm surprised too. Thought it was more some form of encryption that your receiver sorted out. I seem to get loads of channels which my receiver sees - but I can't watch, for various reasons. Like some Sky. -- *Ever stop to think and forget to start again? Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From mikej at bmanor.co.uk Fri Apr 26 12:34:20 2019 From: mikej at bmanor.co.uk (Mike Jordan) Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2019 18:34:20 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Have I been had? In-Reply-To: <42D79463-CF8E-4480-83A0-4B388957D3BE@me.com> References: <42D79463-CF8E-4480-83A0-4B388957D3BE@me.com> Message-ID: No you don?t need a special LNB for Freesat (my octo LNB feeds a sky box (2 o/p) a PC with Sat Rx (1 o/p) a Freesat Box (2 o/p) and a spare freesat box (1 o/p). The original Sky LNBs work fine for Freesat but the new Sky Q boxes have a different LNB which still has an H and V switch in it but the high band frequencies are stacked on top of the low band frequencies so that the local oscillators in the LNB are not changed to give the same frequency spread (lowish frequencies) down the cable to the receiver. I was most upset when a neighbour went Q and they took away the slightly bigger 60cm dish I had installed for her to reduce fadeouts compared with the almost too small sky dishes used most places and dumped my nice one and stole the LNB (no doubt to sell on!) Mike From: Alan Taylor via Tech1 Sent: Friday, April 26, 2019 4:15 PM To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat Subject: Re: [Tech1] Have I been had? Do you really need a different LNB for Freesat? When we moved into our present house, the previous owners had a Sky box and when we bought a TV, I noticed that it had a satellite aerial connection together with a conventional aerial socket, so I connected it to the satellite dish and Freesat has been working perfectly ever since. Alan Taylor -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mikej at bmanor.co.uk Fri Apr 26 12:38:12 2019 From: mikej at bmanor.co.uk (Mike Jordan) Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2019 18:38:12 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Have I been had? In-Reply-To: <57aadca396dave@davesound.co.uk> References: <42D79463-CF8E-4480-83A0-4B388957D3BE@me.com> <57aadca396dave@davesound.co.uk> Message-ID: Yes most Sky channels are scrambled (except things they want you to watch like Sky News and advertising channels) Freesat are "in the clear" However most Freesat boxed have an option to receive ALL available channels not just those controlled by the Freesat system although those do not appear on the guide so need selecting individually. Mike -----Original Message----- From: Dave Plowman via Tech1 Subject: Re: [Tech1] Have I been had? In article <42D79463-CF8E-4480-83A0-4B388957D3BE at me.com>, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: > Do you really need a different LNB for Freesat? I'm surprised too. Thought it was more some form of encryption that your receiver sorted out. I seem to get loads of channels which my receiver sees - but I can't watch, for various reasons. Like some Sky. From doug.prior at talktalk.net Fri Apr 26 15:07:47 2019 From: doug.prior at talktalk.net (doug prior) Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2019 21:07:47 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Have I been had? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Nick I suspect you inherited a Sky Q LNB which has 8 lnbs inside and only works with a Sky Q box. Standard LNBs work with Sky, Freesat and free to air receivers and are now 10 a penny after people have switched to Sky Q Doug Prior Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Nick Ware via Tech1 Sent: 26 April 2019 15:41 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: [Tech1] Have I been had? Well, yes, I think I have. Three days after moving in I called local firm Cranleigh Aerials to see why there was no signal coming from the Satellite dish, despite my visual inspection suggesting it should. They sent an engineer same day. He was a sub-contracted probably freelance bod. He put a tester on it and said I needed a different LNB for Freesat, which is all we want. There?s easy access to dish, which is on front wall only about eight feet up. The job took about 2 minutes for the LNB and 5mins for the diagnostic. The bill came to ?214.80 inc VAT, of which ?144.00 was for the LNB.? The identical LNB from CPC is ?13.35 inc VAT. I?ll be popping round to see them! Cheers, Nick. Sent from my iPad -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bernie833 at gmail.com Sat Apr 27 04:28:54 2019 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2019 10:28:54 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] New technology Message-ID: I must admit that I don't understand large parts of this, but I offer it to show just how much can be done these days by using maths on a video signal, and it impresses me.? You must have seen those films in which an actor is seen in a flashback looking much younger - well here's how it's done? In this case he is using Fusion, which comes as part of Da Vinci Resolve, for free, so you can do it too. https://youtu.be/0m5_AT-mQVc B -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bernie833 at gmail.com Sat Apr 27 04:31:09 2019 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2019 10:31:09 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Have I been had? In-Reply-To: <5cc3652c.1c69fb81.f9ab1.7269SMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com> References: <5cc3652c.1c69fb81.f9ab1.7269SMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <4f5aa244-be29-e25a-d5fa-80f4b8c91201@ntlworld.com> I don't have Sky - what's the advantage of a Sky Q system? B On 26/04/2019 21:07, doug prior via Tech1 wrote: > > Nick? ?I suspect you inherited a Sky Q LNB which has 8 lnbs inside and > only works with a Sky Q box. > > Standard LNBs work with Sky, ?Freesat ?and free to air receivers and > are now? 10 a penny after people have switched to Sky Q > > Doug Prior > > Sent from Mail for > Windows 10 > > *From: *Nick Ware via Tech1 > *Sent: *26 April 2019 15:41 > *To: *tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > *Subject: *[Tech1] Have I been had? > > Well, yes, I think I have. Three days after moving in I called local > firm Cranleigh Aerials to see why there was no signal coming from the > Satellite dish, despite my visual inspection suggesting it should. > They sent an engineer same day. He was a sub-contracted probably > freelance bod. He put a tester on it and said I needed a different LNB > for Freesat, which is all we want. > > There?s easy access to dish, which is on front wall only about eight > feet up. The job took about 2 minutes for the LNB and 5mins for the > diagnostic. The bill came to ?214.80 inc VAT, of which ?144.00 was for > the LNB. > > The identical LNB from CPC is ?13.35 inc VAT. > > I?ll be popping round to see them! > > Cheers, > > Nick. > Sent from my iPad > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From doug.prior at talktalk.net Sat Apr 27 06:52:50 2019 From: doug.prior at talktalk.net (doug prior) Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2019 12:52:50 +0100 (BST) Subject: [Tech1] Have I been had? In-Reply-To: <4f5aa244-be29-e25a-d5fa-80f4b8c91201@ntlworld.com> References: <5cc3652c.1c69fb81.f9ab1.7269SMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com> <4f5aa244-be29-e25a-d5fa-80f4b8c91201@ntlworld.com> Message-ID: <1965682797.169209.1556365970280@apps.talktalk.co.uk> Sky Q let's you watch/record multiple channels at the same time multiplexed from the LNB and distributed about the house so the kids can all watch something different. I suspect most of our kids have left home by now so no particular advantage. I don't have it ( I'm Murdoch averse) but my son has it. He records everything he is likely to watch so he can pause play or spool through adverts etc at will and you can store years worth of material. Doug Prior -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bernie833 at gmail.com Sat Apr 27 06:58:04 2019 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2019 12:58:04 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Have I been had? In-Reply-To: <1965682797.169209.1556365970280@apps.talktalk.co.uk> References: <5cc3652c.1c69fb81.f9ab1.7269SMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com> <4f5aa244-be29-e25a-d5fa-80f4b8c91201@ntlworld.com> <1965682797.169209.1556365970280@apps.talktalk.co.uk> Message-ID: Thanks, I understand. We have Virgin, once ntl, once Cabletel. By various quirks of fate we have two recording boxes for the price of one that do the same On Sat, 27 Apr 2019, 12:53 doug prior via Tech1, wrote: > Sky Q let's you watch/record multiple channels at the same time > multiplexed from the LNB and distributed about the house so the kids can > all watch something different. I suspect most of our kids have left home by > now so no particular advantage. > > I don't have it ( I'm Murdoch averse) but my son has it. He records > everything he is likely to watch so he can pause play or spool through > adverts etc at will and you can store years worth of material. > > Doug Prior > > > > > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave at davesound.co.uk Sat Apr 27 07:15:21 2019 From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman) Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2019 13:15:21 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Have I been had? In-Reply-To: References: <5cc3652c.1c69fb81.f9ab1.7269SMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com> <4f5aa244-be29-e25a-d5fa-80f4b8c91201@ntlworld.com> <1965682797.169209.1556365970280@apps.talktalk.co.uk> Message-ID: <57ab457acbdave@davesound.co.uk> When I got BT FTC some years ago on special offer which included BT TV part of the deal was a Humax BT box at a very low price. It is needed for BT TV, but also works as a PVR for FreeView. A few months ago, it stopped connecting to my LAN. So no BT TV, which I was still paying for, for the most basic version (no sport). Phoned them up for a fix, (I'd Googled, and found it was a common fault) and they sent me a new one FOC. And a bag to return the old one in, for recycling. But I wanted to keep it, as it still had some stuff recorded I'd not watched, so didn't send it back. Since then I've had a couple of letters asking for the old one back. But no contact details so I could discuss it with someone who knows the facts. I'd happily pay them the scrap value. ;-) In article , Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: > Thanks, I understand. We have Virgin, once ntl, once Cabletel. By various > quirks of fate we have two recording boxes for the price of one that do the > same > On Sat, 27 Apr 2019, 12:53 doug prior via Tech1, > wrote: > > Sky Q let's you watch/record multiple channels at the same time > > multiplexed from the LNB and distributed about the house so the kids can > > all watch something different. I suspect most of our kids have left home by > > now so no particular advantage. > > > > I don't have it ( I'm Murdoch averse) but my son has it. He records > > everything he is likely to watch so he can pause play or spool through > > adverts etc at will and you can store years worth of material. > > -- *All generalizations are false. Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From jpn at imixmics.co.uk Sat Apr 27 07:46:08 2019 From: jpn at imixmics.co.uk (John Nottage) Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2019 13:46:08 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Have I been had? In-Reply-To: <57ab457acbdave@davesound.co.uk> References: <5cc3652c.1c69fb81.f9ab1.7269SMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com> <4f5aa244-be29-e25a-d5fa-80f4b8c91201@ntlworld.com> <1965682797.169209.1556365970280@apps.talktalk.co.uk> <57ab457acbdave@davesound.co.uk> Message-ID: I never saw the point of paying for more TV. We have 2 HDD recorders, one old, one newer, both containing hours of TV we don't have time to watch. Freeview supplies a regular top-up to the HDD, ensuring we'll never run out of entertainment. I did buy a Google dongle (no subscription) so I could connect the computer & watch ITV & Chan4 catch-up, but we've only used it once. I know there are a few things on Sky & Netflix I would have liked to see, but where would I have found the time? We spend a large portion of our life attending concerts, plays & cinema films. I would hate to miss all those just so we could watch more TV... John On 27/04/2019 13:15, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: > When I got BT FTC some years ago on special offer which included BT TV > part of the deal was a Humax BT box at a very low price. It is needed for > BT TV, but also works as a PVR for FreeView. > > A few months ago, it stopped connecting to my LAN. So no BT TV, which I > was still paying for, for the most basic version (no sport). > > Phoned them up for a fix, (I'd Googled, and found it was a common fault) > and they sent me a new one FOC. And a bag to return the old one in, for > recycling. But I wanted to keep it, as it still had some stuff recorded > I'd not watched, so didn't send it back. > > Since then I've had a couple of letters asking for the old one back. But > no contact details so I could discuss it with someone who knows the facts. > I'd happily pay them the scrap value. ;-) > > In article > , > Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: >> Thanks, I understand. We have Virgin, once ntl, once Cabletel. By various >> quirks of fate we have two recording boxes for the price of one that do the >> same > >> On Sat, 27 Apr 2019, 12:53 doug prior via Tech1, >> wrote: > >>> Sky Q let's you watch/record multiple channels at the same time >>> multiplexed from the LNB and distributed about the house so the kids can >>> all watch something different. I suspect most of our kids have left home by >>> now so no particular advantage. >>> >>> I don't have it ( I'm Murdoch averse) but my son has it. He records >>> everything he is likely to watch so he can pause play or spool through >>> adverts etc at will and you can store years worth of material. >>> > From pat.heigham at amps.net Sat Apr 27 13:15:52 2019 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2019 19:15:52 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Have I been had? In-Reply-To: References: <5cc3652c.1c69fb81.f9ab1.7269SMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com> <4f5aa244-be29-e25a-d5fa-80f4b8c91201@ntlworld.com> <1965682797.169209.1556365970280@apps.talktalk.co.uk> <57ab457acbdave@davesound.co.uk> Message-ID: <5cc49c59.1c69fb81.749b8.7887@mx.google.com> Ah!, you need the Irish PVR, which records the programmes you don?t want to see, and plays them back when you?re out! (Yes ? old joke!!) Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: John Nottage via Tech1 Sent: 27 April 2019 13:46 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Have I been had? I never saw the point of paying for more TV. We have 2 HDD recorders, one old, one newer, both containing hours of TV we don't have time to watch. I know there are a few things on Sky & Netflix I would have liked to see, but where would I have found the time? --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Sat Apr 27 14:00:07 2019 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2019 20:00:07 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] F1 Message-ID: So, (continuing the latest fashion of starting every statement with 'SO'!) there is going to be only one free-to-air F1 race this year on Channel 4, and that will be the British Grand Prix. Has anyone noticed any complaint or comment in the media about this scandal? F1 gained it's popularity on the BBC where every race was free-to-air and since then Murdoch's greedy Sky have been trying to muscle their way into a big audience show. This year, even Sky's 'no-contract' Now TV are offering a deal ('contract') for all live F1 races for ?110 for the season. I also understand that Ch.4 are not allowed pit-lane access! I have lost interest already as Steven Jones is just not the right man to front the show. Cheers, Dave From mibridge at mac.com Sat Apr 27 14:30:00 2019 From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles) Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2019 20:30:00 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] F1 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <88408589-49F5-4CB6-8E90-B92518A9C90F@mac.com> So (used appropriately) Sky want the best part of a TV licence fee, just for Grand Prix! My wife flies into paroxysms of rage every time the ?s? word features in the wrong place. Whereas I?m the meek and mild sort who merely kicks the cat (It?s OK ~ we haven?t got one.) But I do become enraged by the almost universal use of ?different to?, which should be ?different from?. Nobody would make the opposite mistake of saying ?similar from? instead of ?similar to?! I wrote to Aunty a month or two ago, after a series of errors in a single news bulletin ~ they promised to slap wrists, but it seems to be getting even worse. Mike G > On 27 Apr 2019, at 20:00, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: > > So, (continuing the latest fashion of starting every statement with 'SO'!) there is going to be only one free-to-air F1 race this year on Channel 4, and that will be the British Grand Prix. Has anyone noticed any complaint or comment in the media about this scandal? F1 gained it's popularity on the BBC where every race was free-to-air and since then Murdoch's greedy Sky have been trying to muscle their way into a big audience show. This year, even Sky's 'no-contract' Now TV are offering a deal ('contract') for all live F1 races for ?110 for the season. I also understand that Ch.4 are not allowed pit-lane access! I have lost interest already as Steven Jones is just not the right man to front the show. Cheers, Dave > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jccglass at gmail.com Sat Apr 27 17:53:05 2019 From: jccglass at gmail.com (Chris on gmail) Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2019 23:53:05 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] broadband References: <88408589-49F5-4CB6-8E90-B92518A9C90F@mac.com> Message-ID: <086BD344F04847FA94F625B37CD273F9@dell9100> Well ive just been upgraded to BT fibre/telephoneline broadband cheaper offer when i suggested i was going to leave them for true fibre (not that i really neede it but faster upload to send pictures is usefull and im getting 9.5/ 51 megabits ! out of possible 10/55 How is this possible down my phone line it must be magic ! all my a level physics and short wave radio info tell me this is impossible From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Sat Apr 27 18:49:19 2019 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2019 00:49:19 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Usenet Message-ID: I have been using Astraweb as my Usenet provider for several years after trying Giganews and others. Astraweb was taken over a couple of years ago and the number of newsgroups went from ~37000 to ~110000 overnight, but many went missing, mainly those which looked suspiciously like 'naughty' ones (thanks to the Internet Watch Foundation). My download speed from them is normally about 2.6 Mb/s which is OK to d/l a movie before I die of boredom! Someone mentioned a free Usenet server called 'Usenetmax' so I have been trying it out of curiosity. My d/l speed for a simple video was around 16Kbs/sec. - ie. dial-up speed (remember that!), but they have retention back to 2008 and most are complete! So just leave it going overnight! It took me 10 hours to d/l 500 Mb. but it was all complete. 'Horses for Courses' as they say. Cheers, Dave From alawrance1 at me.com Sun Apr 28 01:52:49 2019 From: alawrance1 at me.com (Alasdair Lawrance) Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2019 08:52:49 +0200 Subject: [Tech1] F1 In-Reply-To: <88408589-49F5-4CB6-8E90-B92518A9C90F@mac.com> References: <88408589-49F5-4CB6-8E90-B92518A9C90F@mac.com> Message-ID: I?m also hearing ?different than?, which is annoying. Alasdair Lawrance. Sent from my iPad Pro. > On 27 Apr 2019, at 21:30, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: > > So (used appropriately) Sky want the best part of a TV licence fee, just for Grand Prix! > > My wife flies into paroxysms of rage every time the ?s? word features in the wrong place. Whereas I?m the meek and mild sort who merely kicks the cat (It?s OK ~ we haven?t got one.) But I do become enraged by the almost universal use of ?different to?, which should be ?different from?. Nobody would make the opposite mistake of saying ?similar from? instead of ?similar to?! I wrote to Aunty a month or two ago, after a series of errors in a single news bulletin ~ they promised to slap wrists, but it seems to be getting even worse. > > Mike G > >> On 27 Apr 2019, at 20:00, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: >> >> So, (continuing the latest fashion of starting every statement with 'SO'!) there is going to be only one free-to-air F1 race this year on Channel 4, and that will be the British Grand Prix. Has anyone noticed any complaint or comment in the media about this scandal? F1 gained it's popularity on the BBC where every race was free-to-air and since then Murdoch's greedy Sky have been trying to muscle their way into a big audience show. This year, even Sky's 'no-contract' Now TV are offering a deal ('contract') for all live F1 races for ?110 for the season. I also understand that Ch.4 are not allowed pit-lane access! I have lost interest already as Steven Jones is just not the right man to front the show. Cheers, Dave >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graeme.wall at icloud.com Sun Apr 28 02:03:07 2019 From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall) Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2019 08:03:07 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] F1 In-Reply-To: References: <88408589-49F5-4CB6-8E90-B92518A9C90F@mac.com> Message-ID: My b?te noir is "should of?. I sent a training application back amd turned the course down because the accompanying letter told me I ?should of? completed all of it. ? Graeme Wall > On 28 Apr 2019, at 07:52, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 wrote: > > I?m also hearing ?different than?, which is annoying. > > Alasdair Lawrance. > > Sent from my iPad Pro. > > On 27 Apr 2019, at 21:30, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: > >> So (used appropriately) Sky want the best part of a TV licence fee, just for Grand Prix! >> >> My wife flies into paroxysms of rage every time the ?s? word features in the wrong place. Whereas I?m the meek and mild sort who merely kicks the cat (It?s OK ~ we haven?t got one.) But I do become enraged by the almost universal use of ?different to?, which should be ?different from?. Nobody would make the opposite mistake of saying ?similar from? instead of ?similar to?! I wrote to Aunty a month or two ago, after a series of errors in a single news bulletin ~ they promised to slap wrists, but it seems to be getting even worse. >> >> Mike G >> >>> On 27 Apr 2019, at 20:00, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: >>> >>> So, (continuing the latest fashion of starting every statement with 'SO'!) there is going to be only one free-to-air F1 race this year on Channel 4, and that will be the British Grand Prix. Has anyone noticed any complaint or comment in the media about this scandal? F1 gained it's popularity on the BBC where every race was free-to-air and since then Murdoch's greedy Sky have been trying to muscle their way into a big audience show. This year, even Sky's 'no-contract' Now TV are offering a deal ('contract') for all live F1 races for ?110 for the season. I also understand that Ch.4 are not allowed pit-lane access! I have lost interest already as Steven Jones is just not the right man to front the show. Cheers, Dave >>> >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From martin at mridout.force9.co.uk Sun Apr 28 04:03:49 2019 From: martin at mridout.force9.co.uk (Martin Ridout) Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2019 10:03:49 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] F1 In-Reply-To: References: <88408589-49F5-4CB6-8E90-B92518A9C90F@mac.com> Message-ID: <1ff4bb5e-db3e-9629-f8dc-692b72611e84@mridout.force9.co.uk> My pet hate is the incorrect use of 'I' and 'me'. John Torrode on Masterchef always gets it wrong when he asks contestants to '..create a plate of food for Greg and I'. Grrr. Martin On 28/04/2019 08:03, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote: > My b?te noir is "should of?. I sent a training application back amd turned the course down because the accompanying letter told me I ?should of? completed all of it. > ? > Graeme Wall > > >> On 28 Apr 2019, at 07:52, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 wrote: >> >> I?m also hearing ?different than?, which is annoying. >> >> Alasdair Lawrance. >> >> Sent from my iPad Pro. >> >> On 27 Apr 2019, at 21:30, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: >> >>> So (used appropriately) Sky want the best part of a TV licence fee, just for Grand Prix! >>> >>> My wife flies into paroxysms of rage every time the ?s? word features in the wrong place. Whereas I?m the meek and mild sort who merely kicks the cat (It?s OK ~ we haven?t got one.) But I do become enraged by the almost universal use of ?different to?, which should be ?different from?. Nobody would make the opposite mistake of saying ?similar from? instead of ?similar to?! I wrote to Aunty a month or two ago, after a series of errors in a single news bulletin ~ they promised to slap wrists, but it seems to be getting even worse. >>> >>> Mike G >>> >>>> On 27 Apr 2019, at 20:00, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: >>>> >>>> So, (continuing the latest fashion of starting every statement with 'SO'!) there is going to be only one free-to-air F1 race this year on Channel 4, and that will be the British Grand Prix. Has anyone noticed any complaint or comment in the media about this scandal? F1 gained it's popularity on the BBC where every race was free-to-air and since then Murdoch's greedy Sky have been trying to muscle their way into a big audience show. This year, even Sky's 'no-contract' Now TV are offering a deal ('contract') for all live F1 races for ?110 for the season. I also understand that Ch.4 are not allowed pit-lane access! I have lost interest already as Steven Jones is just not the right man to front the show. Cheers, Dave >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>> >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > From dave at davesound.co.uk Sun Apr 28 05:00:23 2019 From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman) Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2019 11:00:23 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] broadband In-Reply-To: <086BD344F04847FA94F625B37CD273F9@dell9100> References: <88408589-49F5-4CB6-8E90-B92518A9C90F@mac.com> <086BD344F04847FA94F625B37CD273F9@dell9100> Message-ID: <57abbcf59cdave@davesound.co.uk> In article <086BD344F04847FA94F625B37CD273F9 at dell9100>, Chris on gmail via Tech1 wrote: > Well ive just been upgraded to BT fibre/telephoneline broadband cheaper > offer when i suggested i was going to leave them for true fibre (not > that i really neede it but faster upload to send pictures is usefull > and im getting 9.5/ 51 megabits ! out of possible 10/55 > How is this possible down my phone line it must be magic ! all my a > level physics and short wave radio info tell me this is impossible You'd be surprised what can be sent down a short length of twisted pair. ;-) -- *If God had wanted me to touch my toes, he would have put them on my knees Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From pat.heigham at amps.net Sun Apr 28 05:39:58 2019 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2019 11:39:58 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] F1 In-Reply-To: <88408589-49F5-4CB6-8E90-B92518A9C90F@mac.com> References: <88408589-49F5-4CB6-8E90-B92518A9C90F@mac.com> Message-ID: <5cc582fd.1c69fb81.5ee77.807f@mx.google.com> There?s a shed-load of money to be made out of Formula 1. Bernie Ecclestone has or had a stranglehold on TV rights. I worked on a seven part series for BBC Bristol, following the McLaren team in 1993. It cost the BBC more than a few dollars for access to the on-board cameras and those of the trackside coverage, but that footage was essential material. Attached, you might find my account of the project of some interest. The pit lane stuff would not be possible today as in-race refuelling is now permitted. In 1993, the teams had to estimate exactly how much fuel to put in to last the race. Regards Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Mike Giles via Tech1 Sent: 27 April 2019 20:30 To: dave.mdv Cc: Tech Ops Subject: Re: [Tech1] F1 So (used appropriately) Sky want the best part of a TV licence fee, just for Grand Prix! On 27 Apr 2019, at 20:00, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: So, (continuing the latest fashion of starting every statement with 'SO'!) there is going to be only one free-to-air F1 race this year on Channel 4, and that will be the British Grand Prix. Has anyone noticed any complaint or comment in the media about this scandal? F1 gained it's popularity on the BBC where every race was free-to-air and since then Murdoch's greedy Sky have been trying to muscle their way into a big audience show. This year, even Sky's 'no-contract' Now TV are offering a deal ('contract') for all live F1 races for ?110 for the season. I also understand that Ch.4 are not allowed pit-lane access! I have lost interest already as Steven Jones is just not the right man to front the show. Cheers, Dave --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On 27 Apr 2019, at 21:30, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: So (used appropriately) Sky want the best part of a TV licence fee, just for Grand Prix! My wife flies into paroxysms of rage every time the ?s? word features in the wrong place. Whereas I?m the meek and mild sort who merely kicks the cat (It?s OK ~ we haven?t got one.) But I do become enraged by the almost universal use of ?different to?, which should be ?different from?. Nobody would make the opposite mistake of saying ?similar from? instead of ?similar to?! I wrote to Aunty a month or two ago, after a series of errors in a single news bulletin ~ they promised to slap wrists, but it seems to be getting even worse. Mike G On 27 Apr 2019, at 20:00, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: So, (continuing the latest fashion of starting every statement with 'SO'!) there is going to be only one free-to-air F1 race this year on Channel 4, and that will be the British Grand Prix. Has anyone noticed any complaint or comment in the media about this scandal? F1 gained it's popularity on the BBC where every race was free-to-air and since then Murdoch's greedy Sky have been trying to muscle their way into a big audience show. This year, even Sky's 'no-contract' Now TV are offering a deal ('contract') for all live F1 races for ?110 for the season. I also understand that Ch.4 are not allowed pit-lane access! I have lost interest already as Steven Jones is just not the right man to front the show. Cheers, Dave -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vernon.dyer at btinternet.com Sun Apr 28 07:13:42 2019 From: vernon.dyer at btinternet.com (vernon.dyer) Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2019 13:13:42 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] F1 Message-ID: So - what's wrong with 'well'? - I agree about 'different to' and 'should of', although 'different than' is fine, I think. As for '...and I', the trick I learnt/learned? (another can of worms!) from an English teacher is to leave out the first bit? (e g Greg) and say what comes naturally - in other words, you wouldn't say 'a plate of food for I'.?Another personal hate of mine is 'k'LOMMeter.' You don't say 'k'LOGGram' or 'centIMMeter', so why not 'KILL-ometre?'Best wishes - VernSent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.My pet hate is the incorrect use of 'I' and 'me'. John Torrode on Masterchef always gets it wrong when he asks contestants to '..create a plate of food for Greg and I'. Grrr.MartinOn 28/04/2019 08:03, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote:> My b?te noir is "should of?. I sent a training application back amd turned the course down because the accompanying letter told me I ?should of? completed all of it.> ?> Graeme Wall> > >> On 28 Apr 2019, at 07:52, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 wrote:>>>> I?m also hearing ?different than?, which is annoying.>>>> Alasdair Lawrance.>>>> Sent from my iPad Pro.>>>> On 27 Apr 2019, at 21:30, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote:>>>>> So (used appropriately) Sky want the best part of a TV licence fee, just for Grand Prix!>>>>>> My wife flies into paroxysms of rage every time the ?s? word features in the wrong place. Whereas I?m the meek and mild sort who merely kicks the cat (It?s OK ~ we haven?t got one.) But I do become enraged by the almost universal use of ?different to?, which should be ?different from?. Nobody would make the opposite mistake of saying ?similar from? instead of ?similar to?!? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mail at terrymeadowcroft.co.uk Sun Apr 28 07:30:30 2019 From: mail at terrymeadowcroft.co.uk (terrymeadowcroft) Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2019 13:30:30 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] F1 References: <88408589-49F5-4CB6-8E90-B92518A9C90F@mac.com> <5cc582fd.1c69fb81.5ee77.807f@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <38F2F4D545FE46A8B98F00CD600A1582@MEDDIES2012> Thanks for that, Pat. That was my era, as a mainly doco recordist with YTV. I still use my SQN 4s integrated into my sound system using its conversion to MS as a way of controlling the width of the sound picture. All set up to watch Azerbaijan today, complete with surround and 55" LG Oled TV. I'm spoiled to bits! I often wonder at the excellence of the sound coverage in those trying circumstances and I'm full of respect for any sound man who would take it on! That Beyer double ribbon mic has always been a favourite of mine, though I am generally a Sennheiser RF man at heart - having worked in humid conditions all over the place. In particular, the Neumann RSM 191 of which YTV had several in the stores, was a lovely sounding stereo mic., but failed horrendously in the jungle. Guaranteed a rumble in that Jungle! Cheers, Terry ----- Original Message ----- From: patheigham via Tech1 To: Mike Giles ; dave.mdv Cc: Tech Ops Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2019 11:39 AM Subject: Re: [Tech1] F1 There?s a shed-load of money to be made out of Formula 1. Bernie Ecclestone has or had a stranglehold on TV rights. I worked on a seven part series for BBC Bristol, following the McLaren team in 1993. It cost the BBC more than a few dollars for access to the on-board cameras and those of the trackside coverage, but that footage was essential material. Attached, you might find my account of the project of some interest. The pit lane stuff would not be possible today as in-race refuelling is now permitted. In 1993, the teams had to estimate exactly how much fuel to put in to last the race. Regards Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Mike Giles via Tech1 Sent: 27 April 2019 20:30 To: dave.mdv Cc: Tech Ops Subject: Re: [Tech1] F1 So (used appropriately) Sky want the best part of a TV licence fee, just for Grand Prix! On 27 Apr 2019, at 20:00, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: So, (continuing the latest fashion of starting every statement with 'SO'!) there is going to be only one free-to-air F1 race this year on Channel 4, and that will be the British Grand Prix. Has anyone noticed any complaint or comment in the media about this scandal? F1 gained it's popularity on the BBC where every race was free-to-air and since then Murdoch's greedy Sky have been trying to muscle their way into a big audience show. This year, even Sky's 'no-contract' Now TV are offering a deal ('contract') for all live F1 races for ?110 for the season. I also understand that Ch.4 are not allowed pit-lane access! I have lost interest already as Steven Jones is just not the right man to front the show. 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As for '...and I', the trick I learnt/learned (another can of worms!) from an English teacher is to leave out the first bit (e g Greg) and say what comes naturally - in other words, you wouldn't say 'a plate of food for I'. Another personal hate of mine is 'k'LOMMeter.' You don't say 'k'LOGGram' or 'centIMMeter', so why not 'KILL-ometre?' Best wishes - Vern Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. My pet hate is the incorrect use of 'I' and 'me'. John Torrode on Masterchef always gets it wrong when he asks contestants to '..create a plate of food for Greg and I'. Grrr. Martin On 28/04/2019 08:03, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote: > My b?te noir is "should of?. I sent a training application back amd turned the course down because the accompanying letter told me I ?should of? completed all of it. > ? > Graeme Wall > > >> On 28 Apr 2019, at 07:52, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 wrote: >> >> I?m also hearing ?different than?, which is annoying. >> >> Alasdair Lawrance. >> >> Sent from my iPad Pro. >> >> On 27 Apr 2019, at 21:30, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: >> >>> So (used appropriately) Sky want the best part of a TV licence fee, just for Grand Prix! >>> >>> My wife flies into paroxysms of rage every time the ?s? word features in the wrong place. Whereas I?m the meek and mild sort who merely kicks the cat (It?s OK ~ we haven?t got one.) But I do become enraged by the almost universal use of ?different to?, which should be ?different from?. 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On 28/04/2019 13:03, terrymeadowcroft via Tech1 wrote: > ? > Hello Alasdair, > Thank goodness,?I'm?not the only one who corrects 'different to' > loudly every time I hear it. Makes no difference. > Illiteracy is universal now, I'm afraid. > Cheers, > Terry > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 > *To:* Mike Giles > *Cc:* Tech Ops > *Sent:* Sunday, April 28, 2019 7:52 AM > *Subject:* Re: [Tech1] F1 > > I?m also hearing ?different than?, which is annoying. > > Alasdair Lawrance. > > Sent from my iPad Pro. > > On 27 Apr 2019, at 21:30, Mike Giles via Tech1 > > wrote: > >> So (used appropriately) Sky want the best part of a TV licence >> fee, just for Grand Prix! >> >> My wife flies into paroxysms of rage every time the ?s? word >> features in the wrong place. Whereas I?m the meek and mild sort >> who merely kicks the cat (It?s OK ~ we haven?t got one.) But I do >> become enraged by the almost universal use of ?different /to/?, >> which should be ?different /from/?. Nobody would make the >> opposite mistake of saying ?similar /from/? instead of ?similar >> /to/?! I wrote to Aunty a month or two ago, after a series of >> errors in a single news bulletin ~ they promised to slap wrists, >> but it seems to be getting even worse. >> >> Mike G >> >>> On 27 Apr 2019, at 20:00, dave.mdv via Tech1 >>> > wrote: >>> >>> So, (continuing the latest fashion of starting every statement >>> with 'SO'!) there is going to be only one free-to-air F1 race >>> this year on Channel 4, and that will be the British Grand Prix. >>> Has anyone noticed any complaint or comment in the media about >>> this scandal? F1 gained it's popularity on the BBC where every >>> race was free-to-air and since then Murdoch's greedy Sky have >>> been trying to muscle their way into a big audience show. This >>> year, even Sky's 'no-contract' Now TV are offering a deal >>> ('contract') for all live F1 races for ?110 for the season. I >>> also understand that Ch.4 are not allowed pit-lane access! I >>> have lost interest already as Steven Jones is just not the right >>> man to front the show. Cheers, Dave >>> >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jccglass at gmail.com Sun Apr 28 09:31:38 2019 From: jccglass at gmail.com (Chris on gmail) Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2019 15:31:38 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] F1 References: Message-ID: <0588299D5D5043CAAC94A65F93B6C30C@dell9100> my pet hate after some accident is the victims are gravely ILL when they are Gravely INJURED chris From gary_critcher at yahoo.com Sun Apr 28 09:36:04 2019 From: gary_critcher at yahoo.com (Gary Critcher) Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2019 14:36:04 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Tech1] F1 In-Reply-To: <0588299D5D5043CAAC94A65F93B6C30C@dell9100> References: <0588299D5D5043CAAC94A65F93B6C30C@dell9100> Message-ID: <2146534217.2211565.1556462164206@mail.yahoo.com> My pet example is 'your' and 'you're'.I was aghast as long as ten years ago when I was in my local Post Office, they sell greetings/birthday/retirement/get well cards. ?To my astonishment a Get Well card proclaimed on the front; 'Help Your Feeling Better'. I picked it up with the intention of sending a letter to the publisher/printer (I remember they were in Leeds) but thought that they wouldn't do anything about it, even if they understood what I meant AND they were going to profit from me buying the card as well. all the best! On Sunday, 28 April 2019, 15:32:11 BST, Chris on gmail via Tech1 wrote: my pet hate? after some accident is the victims are gravely ILL when they are Gravely INJURED chris -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gary_critcher at yahoo.com Sun Apr 28 09:48:30 2019 From: gary_critcher at yahoo.com (Gary Critcher) Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2019 14:48:30 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Tech1] F1 In-Reply-To: <5cc582fd.1c69fb81.5ee77.807f@mx.google.com> References: <88408589-49F5-4CB6-8E90-B92518A9C90F@mac.com> <5cc582fd.1c69fb81.5ee77.807f@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <317411687.2208160.1556462910598@mail.yahoo.com> Carrying on, very briefly, from Pat's mention of Formula 1 re-fuelling, after the vague success the other week of my radio interview talking about my book, I am going to jump into the realm of podcasts (something I haven't done before) and produce a series of interviews and chats with former Formula 1 workers. ? I'm going to call the series 'The Mechanic's Gallon'.The story goes that in the sixties, Team Lotus run by Colin Chapman were all about lightness of the racing car and that he preferred it if, as the car crossed the finishing line hopefully having won,? it would fall apart having been built to just the correct degree to get to the end of the race. Likewise after calculations he would instruct the mechanics to put in JUST enough fuel to get to the end of the race.? Well after about three races where the cars ran out of fuel 1,2 or 3 laps before the end the mechanics started adding an extra gallon or two of fuel above what they had been told to insure the car lasted the full distance. When Chapman found out he was not best pleased. ?Hence the title of my podcasts!all the best! ??????????? Gary C On Sunday, 28 April 2019, 11:40:29 BST, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: #yiv9088339018 #yiv9088339018 -- _filtered #yiv9088339018 {panose-1:2 4 5 3 5 4 6 3 2 4;} _filtered #yiv9088339018 {font-family:Calibri;panose-1:2 15 5 2 2 2 4 3 2 4;}#yiv9088339018 #yiv9088339018 p.yiv9088339018MsoNormal, #yiv9088339018 li.yiv9088339018MsoNormal, #yiv9088339018 div.yiv9088339018MsoNormal {margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:11.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;}#yiv9088339018 a:link, #yiv9088339018 span.yiv9088339018MsoHyperlink {color:blue;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv9088339018 a:visited, #yiv9088339018 span.yiv9088339018MsoHyperlinkFollowed {color:#954F72;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv9088339018 .yiv9088339018MsoChpDefault {} _filtered #yiv9088339018 {margin:72.0pt 72.0pt 72.0pt 72.0pt;}#yiv9088339018 div.yiv9088339018WordSection1 {}#yiv9088339018 There?s a shed-load of money to be made out of Formula 1. Bernie Ecclestone has or had a stranglehold on TV rights. I worked on a seven part series for BBC Bristol, following the McLaren team in 1993. It cost the BBC more than a few dollars for access to the on-board cameras and those of the trackside coverage, but that footage was essential material. Attached, you might find my account of the project of some interest. The pit lane stuff would not be possible today as in-race refuelling is now permitted. In 1993, the teams had to estimate exactly how much fuel to put in to last the race. Regards Pat ? Sent from Mail for Windows 10 ? From: Mike Giles via Tech1 Sent: 27 April 2019 20:30 To: dave.mdv Cc: Tech Ops Subject: Re: [Tech1] F1 ? So (used appropriately) Sky want the best part of a TV licence fee, just for Grand Prix! ? ? On 27 Apr 2019, at 20:00, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: ? So, (continuing the latest fashion of starting every statement with 'SO'!) there is going to be only one free-to-air F1 race this year on Channel 4, and that will be the British Grand Prix. Has anyone noticed any complaint or comment in the media about this scandal? F1 gained it's popularity on the BBC where every race was free-to-air and since then Murdoch's greedy Sky have been trying to muscle their way into a big audience show. This year, even Sky's 'no-contract' Now TV are offering a deal ('contract') for all live F1 races for ?110 for the season. I also understand that Ch.4 are not allowed pit-lane access! I have lost interest already as Steven Jones is just not the right man to front the show. Cheers, Dave ? | | Virus-free. www.avast.com | -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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On Sun, 28 Apr 2019, 20:15 Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1, < tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote: > Took me a while to think what I should?ve written in reply...... > > Alasdair Lawrance > > Sent from my iPad Pro. > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graeme.wall at icloud.com Sun Apr 28 15:38:57 2019 From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall) Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2019 21:38:57 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Should of In-Reply-To: <5AD1230C-9EDF-4F0A-ABA5-9A29EB10547C@me.com> References: <5AD1230C-9EDF-4F0A-ABA5-9A29EB10547C@me.com> Message-ID: <24040E0C-9965-4587-A7F9-0CB8034A8A7B@icloud.com> ? Graeme Wall > On 28 Apr 2019, at 20:15, Alasdair Lawrance wrote: > > Took me a while to think what I should?ve written in reply...... > > Alasdair Lawrance > > Sent from my iPad Pro. From mibridge at mac.com Sun Apr 28 16:59:04 2019 From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles) Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2019 22:59:04 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] F1 In-Reply-To: <2146534217.2211565.1556462164206@mail.yahoo.com> References: <0588299D5D5043CAAC94A65F93B6C30C@dell9100> <2146534217.2211565.1556462164206@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4981751E-4492-46BC-B80C-D4BAE9E60999@mac.com> Equally annoying is ?me and him? when it should be ?he and I?, or possibly ?him and me?, depending on context. On the ?ometer? front, I always tell people that a ?killOmeter? is a thing for measuring kilos, i.e. kilograms, in the same way that a milometer is a thing for measuring miles. No wonder the planet is doomed ~ perhaps we should be campaigning for a language emergency to be declared along with the climate emergency. Mike G > On 28 Apr 2019, at 15:36, Gary Critcher via Tech1 wrote: > > My pet example is 'your' and 'you're'. > I was aghast as long as ten years ago when I was in my local Post Office, they sell greetings/birthday/retirement/get well cards. > > To my astonishment a Get Well card proclaimed on the front; 'Help Your Feeling Better'. > > I picked it up with the intention of sending a letter to the publisher/printer (I remember they were in Leeds) but thought that they wouldn't do anything about it, even if they understood what I meant AND they were going to profit from me buying the card as well. > > all the best! > On Sunday, 28 April 2019, 15:32:11 BST, Chris on gmail via Tech1 wrote: > > > my pet hate after some accident is > > the victims are gravely ILL when they are Gravely INJURED > > chris > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mail at terrymeadowcroft.co.uk Sun Apr 28 22:44:47 2019 From: mail at terrymeadowcroft.co.uk (terrymeadowcroft) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2019 04:44:47 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] F1 References: <88408589-49F5-4CB6-8E90-B92518A9C90F@mac.com> <5cc582fd.1c69fb81.5ee77.807f@mx.google.com> <38F2F4D545FE46A8B98F00CD600A1582@MEDDIES2012> <5cc5df88.1c69fb81.661f.f4eb@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Hi Pat, No, I didn't know Tom Hawkins, though when I joined YTV from the BEEB in 1979, he was not long gone, so I only knew him by repute. I sneaked into YTV Leeds ( I had been with BBC Leeds from the beginning of 'Look North), via the role of Film Equipment Officer - a position which had been empty for 2 years after the previous guy who looked after the gear and did all the hiring in of ancillaries was fired because he was on the financial fiddle! So the first dreadful 6 months of my YTV employ were largely spent trying to rediscover gear gone missing!. My little store was next door to the Sparks office at the back of the OB garage, so I soon got used to four letter words when the OB truck came back at the end of a day's work. Some of the Sparks could do a whole paragraph of shouting without using any words which were not 4 letter ones; quite a change from the refined years at the BBC! Thanks to one Gus McNeal, Film Unit Manager, ex Manchester ITV like many others at YTV, I was soon out on the road with the 11 film crews, and never looked back. In the early days of Stereo (I had to push for that!) I tried to get the YTV post production to adopt MS. The stereo sound on the Arriflex and Aaton film cameras, and later, the Dolby C Betacam, even when correctly lined up (which they hardly ever were!), was so inconsistent between the two tracks that all the dialogue in the centre wandered around hopelessly. Using MS , the inconsistency would only affect the stereo width and would not be noticeable, the centre of the sound stage staying well and truly central. It was a battle, which I never really won, mainly because he at the top of post production didn't understand Stereo, never mind MS, and threatened me initially that any rushes I produced in stereo would be 'knocked down to mono' as soon as they entered transfer! He was a strong Union guy too. Finally, I did manage to sneak in a tour of Japan with the Black Dyke Brass Band in a Calendar weekly half hour feature spot, and the Director/Cameraman agreed to me recording in stereo mainly because he didn't even want to know what stereo was, so that became the first stereo product to come out of YTV. I did all the concert tracks on DAT via each Concert Hall mixing desk - slung crossed pairs were already rigged as standard, and I added one stand mic for cornet solos). As we stayed with the Band members all day acting silly in that day's City, setting up with the concert hall engineers with no use of the English tongue in the half hour before the concert started was a nightly challenge. The Spark turned 'Recordist' (the Thatcher years) - (in that case a lovely man and not a bad recordist) stayed with the cameraman during the concerts and did the spot recording with the Cameraman whilst I recorded in the gallery. Fun! I still have all those DATs of the concerts. The final evening ended with a great session, and our Spark missed the plane home! Best, Terry ----- Original Message ----- From: patheigham To: terrymeadowcroft Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2019 6:14 PM Subject: RE: [Tech1] F1 Hi Terry, I once did a job for YTV, via a cameraman I knew at Thames. It was a doco about three polo playing sisters. My cameraman said that YTV had asked for stereo sound, so I phoned the editor to establish whether the delivery should be A/B or M/S. They stipulated A/B. I should not have listened, as M/S would have been a lot better. A sequence shot at Smith?s Lawn in Windsor would have been a problem to cut, as it was under the Heathrow flight path, and the background was changing from shot to shot. I was very unhappy with my efforts, and I think they must have been, too, as I never heard from the cameraman ever again! Did you know the Film Ops Manager, Tom Hawkins? He used to progress from company to company ? I knew him first at ATV Birmingham, but he was quite loyal to freelancers he booked. He had a habit of billing his bar drinks in the hotels we were in, to our rooms, but I made it quite clear that while I would be happy to stand him a drink from time to time, any extras that did not have my signature on the chit would not be my responsibility! Best Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: terrymeadowcroft Sent: 28 April 2019 13:30 To: patheigham Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] F1 Thanks for that, Pat. That was my era, as a mainly doco recordist with YTV. I still use my SQN 4s integrated into my sound system using its conversion to MS as a way of controlling the width of the sound picture. Virus-free. www.avast.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mail at terrymeadowcroft.co.uk Mon Apr 29 09:32:28 2019 From: mail at terrymeadowcroft.co.uk (terrymeadowcroft) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2019 15:32:28 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Stereo sound etc References: <88408589-49F5-4CB6-8E90-B92518A9C90F@mac.com> <5cc582fd.1c69fb81.5ee77.807f@mx.google.com> <38F2F4D545FE46A8B98F00CD600A1582@MEDDIES2012> <5cc5df88.1c69fb81.661f.f4eb@mx.google.com> <5cc6d393.1c69fb81.5bad4.7740@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <96EBD3A93CA548B09A3E9043F0C8DC5C@MEDDIES2012> Thanks for that Pat; great to get such a great insight into working on 'Fiddler on the roof' - I must watch it again with your story in mind! Cheers, Terry ----- Original Message ----- From: patheigham To: terrymeadowcroft Sent: Monday, April 29, 2019 11:36 AM Subject: RE: [Tech1] Stereo sound etc Your experience with YTV and stereo bears out my realisation that it was a bit of a mystery to the editors there. I wish I had rendered M/S, at least the mono mid track would have been less of a hassle. In the film industry, a mentor of mind ? a highly experienced mixer, used to call it ?StereoPhony? as the usual technique was to shoot dialogue in mono and pan it around the screen, unless music was recorded A/B, or even 3-track. Speaking of Union power, I worked at Thames as Sound Assistant to a lovely man (Sandy MacRae) who was a long-term freelance mixer and was instrumental in using the Stereo Nagra IV-S, but as split track ? boom on one, radios on the other. However, the transfer bay operators wanted double money to transfer the two tracks to separate magnetic film. That was never likely, so Sandy was invited to choose which track should be transferred, and the other left alone! Not the idea at all...... I attach an article written for a book which will probably never see the light of day ? experiences of working on ?Fiddler on the Roof? You might find it interesting! (The photo appeared in American Cinematographer, me in my sound truck). Best regards Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: terrymeadowcroft Sent: 29 April 2019 04:45 To: patheigham Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] F1 Hi Pat, No, I didn't know Tom Hawkins, though when I joined YTV from the BEEB in 1979, he was not long gone, so I only knew him by repute. I sneaked into YTV Leeds ( I had been with BBC Leeds from the beginning of 'Look North), via the role of Film Equipment Officer - a position which had been empty for 2 years after the previous guy who looked after the gear and did all the hiring in of ancillaries was fired because he was on the financial fiddle! So the first dreadful 6 months of my YTV employ were largely spent trying to rediscover gear gone missing!. My little store was next door to the Sparks office at the back of the OB garage, so I soon got used to four letter words when the OB truck came back at the end of a day's work. Some of the Sparks could do a whole paragraph of shouting without using any words which were not 4 letter ones; quite a change from the refined years at the BBC! Thanks to one Gus McNeal, Film Unit Manager, ex Manchester ITV like many others at YTV, I was soon out on the road with the 11 film crews, and never looked back. In the early days of Stereo (I had to push for that!) I tried to get the YTV post production to adopt MS. The stereo sound on the Arriflex and Aaton film cameras, and later, the Dolby C Betacam, even when correctly lined up (which they hardly ever were!), was so inconsistent between the two tracks that all the dialogue in the centre wandered around hopelessly. Using MS , the inconsistency would only affect the stereo width and would not be noticeable, the centre of the sound stage staying well and truly central. It was a battle, which I never really won, mainly because he at the top of post production didn't understand Stereo, never mind MS, and threatened me initially that any rushes I produced in stereo would be 'knocked down to mono' as soon as they entered transfer! He was a strong Union guy too. Finally, I did manage to sneak in a tour of Japan with the Black Dyke Brass Band in a Calendar weekly half hour feature spot, and the Director/Cameraman agreed to me recording in stereo mainly because he didn't even want to know what stereo was, so that became the first stereo product to come out of YTV. I did all the concert tracks on DAT via each Concert Hall mixing desk - slung crossed pairs were already rigged as standard, and I added one stand mic for cornet solos). As we stayed with the Band members all day acting silly in that day's City, setting up with the concert hall engineers with no use of the English tongue in the half hour before the concert started was a nightly challenge. The Spark turned 'Recordist' (the Thatcher years) - (in that case a lovely man and not a bad recordist) stayed with the cameraman during the concerts and did the spot recording with the Cameraman whilst I recorded in the gallery. Fun! I still have all those DATs of the concerts. The final evening ended with a great session, and our Spark missed the plane home! Best, Terry Virus-free. www.avast.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vernon.dyer at btinternet.com Mon Apr 29 10:29:09 2019 From: vernon.dyer at btinternet.com (vernon.dyer) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2019 16:29:09 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] F1 Message-ID: Yet another annoyance is 'that' instead of 'than', as in 'more that? ?100' which I saw recently. It may be just a typo or over-enthusiastic predictive text, but it seems to be happening more and more frequently.?Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.-------- Original message --------From: Gary Critcher via Tech1 Date: 28/04/2019 15:36 (GMT+00:00) To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] F1 My pet example is 'your' and 'you're'.I was aghast as long as ten years ago when I was in my local Post Office, they sell greetings/birthday/retirement/get well cards.?To my astonishment a Get Well card proclaimed on the front; 'Help Your Feeling Better'.I picked it up with the intention of sending a letter to the publisher/printer (I remember they were in Leeds) but thought that they wouldn't do anything about it, even if they understood what I meant AND they were going to profit from me buying the card as well.all the best! On Sunday, 28 April 2019, 15:32:11 BST, Chris on gmail via Tech1 wrote: my pet hate? after some accident is the victims are gravely ILL when they are Gravely INJUREDchris-- Tech1 mailing listTech1 at tech-ops.co.ukhttp://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rogerbunce at btinternet.com Mon Apr 29 11:51:00 2019 From: rogerbunce at btinternet.com (ROGER BUNCE) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2019 16:51:00 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Tech1] F1 In-Reply-To: <4981751E-4492-46BC-B80C-D4BAE9E60999@mac.com> References: <0588299D5D5043CAAC94A65F93B6C30C@dell9100> <2146534217.2211565.1556462164206@mail.yahoo.com> <4981751E-4492-46BC-B80C-D4BAE9E60999@mac.com> Message-ID: <333412026.3129589.1556556660151@mail.yahoo.com> The one that always used to annoy me, but I now find it hilarious, is the word 'Like', variously used to start a sentence; as a pointless punctuation, and to replace words such as 'said', 'suggested', 'announced', 'asked', 'replied', 'hinted', 'opined', etc. For example - Like, I was going down to, like, the shops, and there was, like, Wayne, who had these really cool, like, trainers.So, I was like, "Like yer trainers, Wayne."And he was like, "You takin the p*ss?"And I was like, "That's, like, disrespeckful, Dood!"And he was like,"Smash yer, like, face in!"etc. luv, Rog. On Sunday, 28 April 2019, 23:48:44 BST, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: Equally annoying is ?me and him? when it should be ?he and I?, or possibly ?him and me?, depending on context. On the ?ometer? front, I always tell people that a ?killOmeter? is a thing for measuring kilos, i.e. kilograms, in the same way that a milometer is a thing for measuring miles. No wonder the planet is doomed ~ perhaps we should be campaigning for a language emergency to be declared along with the climate emergency. Mike G On 28 Apr 2019, at 15:36, Gary Critcher via Tech1 wrote: My pet example is 'your' and 'you're'.I was aghast as long as ten years ago when I was in my local Post Office, they sell greetings/birthday/retirement/get well cards. ?To my astonishment a Get Well card proclaimed on the front; 'Help Your Feeling Better'. I picked it up with the intention of sending a letter to the publisher/printer (I remember they were in Leeds) but thought that they wouldn't do anything about it, even if they understood what I meant AND they were going to profit from me buying the card as well. all the best! On Sunday, 28 April 2019, 15:32:11 BST, Chris on gmail via Tech1 wrote: my pet hate? after some accident is the victims are gravely ILL when they are Gravely INJURED chris -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From j at howell61.f9.co.uk Mon Apr 29 12:13:02 2019 From: j at howell61.f9.co.uk (John Howell) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2019 18:13:02 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] F1 In-Reply-To: <1D7098A583414202837DF5E8503462CD@MEDDIES2012> References: <88408589-49F5-4CB6-8E90-B92518A9C90F@mac.com> <1D7098A583414202837DF5E8503462CD@MEDDIES2012> Message-ID: <98c0526c-9590-a7b4-dc82-888c20f1162b@howell61.f9.co.uk> Hello all, I think I have run this 'pet hate' previously: 'bored of'! An enterprising lady who runs a local ironing service has 'Board of Ironing' emblazoned on her delivery van so she has capitalised on the error. Well it made me smile. John H. On 28/04/2019 13:03, terrymeadowcroft via Tech1 wrote: > ? > Hello Alasdair, > Thank goodness,?I'm?not the only one who corrects 'different to' > loudly every time I hear it. Makes no difference. > Illiteracy is universal now, I'm afraid. > Cheers, > Terry > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 > *To:* Mike Giles > *Cc:* Tech Ops > *Sent:* Sunday, April 28, 2019 7:52 AM > *Subject:* Re: [Tech1] F1 > > I?m also hearing ?different than?, which is annoying. > > Alasdair Lawrance. > > Sent from my iPad Pro. > > On 27 Apr 2019, at 21:30, Mike Giles via Tech1 > > wrote: > >> So (used appropriately) Sky want the best part of a TV licence >> fee, just for Grand Prix! >> >> My wife flies into paroxysms of rage every time the ?s? word >> features in the wrong place. Whereas I?m the meek and mild sort >> who merely kicks the cat (It?s OK ~ we haven?t got one.) But I do >> become enraged by the almost universal use of ?different /to/?, >> which should be ?different /from/?. Nobody would make the >> opposite mistake of saying ?similar /from/? instead of ?similar >> /to/?! I wrote to Aunty a month or two ago, after a series of >> errors in a single news bulletin ~ they promised to slap wrists, >> but it seems to be getting even worse. >> >> Mike G >> >>> On 27 Apr 2019, at 20:00, dave.mdv via Tech1 >>> > wrote: >>> >>> So, (continuing the latest fashion of starting every statement >>> with 'SO'!) there is going to be only one free-to-air F1 race >>> this year on Channel 4, and that will be the British Grand Prix. >>> Has anyone noticed any complaint or comment in the media about >>> this scandal? F1 gained it's popularity on the BBC where every >>> race was free-to-air and since then Murdoch's greedy Sky have >>> been trying to muscle their way into a big audience show. This >>> year, even Sky's 'no-contract' Now TV are offering a deal >>> ('contract') for all live F1 races for ?110 for the season. I >>> also understand that Ch.4 are not allowed pit-lane access! I >>> have lost interest already as Steven Jones is just not the right >>> man to front the show. Cheers, Dave >>> >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From keithwicksuk at gmail.com Mon Apr 29 12:20:49 2019 From: keithwicksuk at gmail.com (Keith Wicks) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2019 18:20:49 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] F1 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Are you are consistent enough to take your temperature using a THERMOmeter? On Sun, 28 Apr 2019 at 13:14, vernon.dyer via Tech1 wrote: > > So - what's wrong with 'well'? - I agree about 'different to' and 'should > of', although 'different than' is fine, I think. As for '...and I', the > trick I learnt/learned (another can of worms!) from an English teacher is > to leave out the first bit (e g Greg) and say what comes naturally - in > other words, you wouldn't say 'a plate of food for I'. > Another personal hate of mine is 'k'LOMMeter.' You don't say 'k'LOGGram' > or 'centIMMeter', so why not 'KILL-ometre?' > Best wishes - Vern > > Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. > > > My pet hate is the incorrect use of 'I' and 'me'. John Torrode on > Masterchef always gets it wrong when he asks contestants to '..create a > plate of food for Greg and I'. Grrr. > > Martin > > On 28/04/2019 08:03, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote: > > My b?te noir is "should of?. I sent a training application back amd > turned the course down because the accompanying letter told me I ?should > of? completed all of it. > > ? > > Graeme Wall > > > > > >> On 28 Apr 2019, at 07:52, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 < > tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote: > >> > >> I?m also hearing ?different than?, which is annoying. > >> > >> Alasdair Lawrance. > >> > >> Sent from my iPad Pro. > >> > >> On 27 Apr 2019, at 21:30, Mike Giles via Tech1 > wrote: > >> > >>> So (used appropriately) Sky want the best part of a TV licence fee, > just for Grand Prix! > >>> > >>> My wife flies into paroxysms of rage every time the ?s? word features > in the wrong place. Whereas I?m the meek and mild sort who merely kicks the > cat (It?s OK ~ we haven?t got one.) But I do become enraged by the almost > universal use of ?different to?, which should be ?different from?. Nobody > would make the opposite mistake of saying ?similar from? instead of > ?similar to?! > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vernon.dyer at btinternet.com Mon Apr 29 12:54:10 2019 From: vernon.dyer at btinternet.com (vernon.dyer) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2019 18:54:10 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] F1 Message-ID: <0abh0x243jheyipkug2rmosm.1556560249274@email.android.com> Well no, because that's a measuring device not a multiplier, like speedometer etc.?By the way, how have we got here from F1? I've lost the thread.?Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.-------- Original message --------From: Keith Wicks Date: 29/04/2019 18:20 (GMT+00:00) To: "vernon.dyer" Cc: tech1 Subject: Re: [Tech1] F1 Are you are consistent enough to take your temperature using a THERMOmeter?On Sun, 28 Apr 2019 at 13:14, vernon.dyer via Tech1 wrote:So - what's wrong with 'well'? - I agree about 'different to' and 'should of', although 'different than' is fine, I think. As for '...and I', the trick I learnt/learned? (another can of worms!) from an English teacher is to leave out the first bit? (e g Greg) and say what comes naturally - in other words, you wouldn't say 'a plate of food for I'.?Another personal hate of mine is 'k'LOMMeter.' You don't say 'k'LOGGram' or 'centIMMeter', so why not 'KILL-ometre?'Best wishes - VernSent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.My pet hate is the incorrect use of 'I' and 'me'. John Torrode on Masterchef always gets it wrong when he asks contestants to '..create a plate of food for Greg and I'. Grrr.MartinOn 28/04/2019 08:03, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote:> My b?te noir is "should of?. I sent a training application back amd turned the course down because the accompanying letter told me I ?should of? completed all of it.> ?> Graeme Wall> > >> On 28 Apr 2019, at 07:52, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 wrote:>>>> I?m also hearing ?different than?, which is annoying.>>>> Alasdair Lawrance.>>>> Sent from my iPad Pro.>>>> On 27 Apr 2019, at 21:30, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote:>>>>> So (used appropriately) Sky want the best part of a TV licence fee, just for Grand Prix!>>>>>> My wife flies into paroxysms of rage every time the ?s? word features in the wrong place. Whereas I?m the meek and mild sort who merely kicks the cat (It?s OK ~ we haven?t got one.) But I do become enraged by the almost universal use of ?different to?, which should be ?different from?. 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URL: From teateatone2 at gmail.com Mon Apr 29 14:43:55 2019 From: teateatone2 at gmail.com (Tony Grant) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2019 20:43:55 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Emergency Mains lights resume Message-ID: Following the last discussion on the subject, I went ahead and bought: NiteSafe Maxi Rechargeable Night Light - 4 Function LED Nightlight, Power Failure Light, Torch and Work light - Triple Value Bundle from Amazon, and lo and behold, we had a power cut a couple of days ago, and as far as I can tell the lights came on immediately. However, the power was only off for about an hour, so all I can say is that they stayed on for that length of time, and switched off when the power was restored. Thus, I can only tell you that they worked as I wanted them to for that length of time, although the blurb claims a minimum duration of 6 hours light. And it was in the middle of the day, so no problem for granddaughter, and I can happily report that they're bright enough to provide the requisite amount of light should there be a power outage during the night. So (the dreaded so) I'm quite happy with my purchase, although I've no idea of their longevity measured in years, but I would expect at least 5 years minimum. TeaTeaFN - Tony -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From waresound at msn.com Mon Apr 29 15:36:53 2019 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2019 20:36:53 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Emergency Mains lights resume In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Your use of ?so? in this instance was entirely correct! Cheers, Nick. Sent from my iPad On 29 Apr 2019, at 20:44, Tony Grant via Tech1 > wrote: Following the last discussion on the subject, I went ahead and bought: NiteSafe Maxi Rechargeable Night Light - 4 Function LED Nightlight, Power Failure Light, Torch and Work light - Triple Value Bundle from Amazon, and lo and behold, we had a power cut a couple of days ago, and as far as I can tell the lights came on immediately. However, the power was only off for about an hour, so all I can say is that they stayed on for that length of time, and switched off when the power was restored. Thus, I can only tell you that they worked as I wanted them to for that length of time, although the blurb claims a minimum duration of 6 hours light. And it was in the middle of the day, so no problem for granddaughter, and I can happily report that they're bright enough to provide the requisite amount of light should there be a power outage during the night. So (the dreaded so) I'm quite happy with my purchase, although I've no idea of their longevity measured in years, but I would expect at least 5 years minimum. TeaTeaFN - Tony -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graeme.wall at icloud.com Mon Apr 29 15:38:55 2019 From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2019 21:38:55 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Emergency Mains lights resume In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: So it was! ? Graeme Wall > On 29 Apr 2019, at 21:36, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: > > Your use of ?so? in this instance was entirely correct! > Cheers, > Nick. > > Sent from my iPad > > On 29 Apr 2019, at 20:44, Tony Grant via Tech1 wrote: > >> Following the last discussion on the subject, I went ahead and bought: >> NiteSafe Maxi Rechargeable Night Light - 4 Function LED Nightlight, Power Failure Light, Torch and Work light - Triple Value Bundle >> >> from Amazon, and lo and behold, we had a power cut a couple of days ago, and as far as I can tell the lights came on immediately. However, the power was only off for about an hour, so all I can say is that they stayed on for that length of time, and switched off when the power was restored. Thus, I can only tell you that they worked as I wanted them to for that length of time, although the blurb claims a minimum duration of 6 hours light. And it was in the middle of the day, so no problem for granddaughter, and I can happily report that they're bright enough to provide the requisite amount of light should there be a power outage during the night. >> >> So (the dreaded so) I'm quite happy with my purchase, although I've no idea of their longevity measured in years, but I would expect at least 5 years minimum. >> >> TeaTeaFN - Tony >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From mibridge at mac.com Mon Apr 29 16:14:10 2019 From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2019 22:14:10 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] F1 In-Reply-To: <906632298.1145626.1556561978994@email.ionos.co.uk> References: <0588299D5D5043CAAC94A65F93B6C30C@dell9100> <2146534217.2211565.1556462164206@mail.yahoo.com> <4981751E-4492-46BC-B80C-D4BAE9E60999@mac.com> <333412026.3129589.1556556660151@mail.yahoo.com> <906632298.1145626.1556561978994@email.ionos.co.uk> Message-ID: NIck!!!!! ???fed up of???..? Surely not. Mike G > On 29 Apr 2019, at 19:19, Nick Way via Tech1 wrote: > > Dear Rog, > > As you know, I also dislike 'like'. A few years ago, one of my ex-Students sent me the following link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NgpFwzEwZa4 . It seems the Editor was fed up of the word too! > > Enjoy and cringe.... > > Best, > > Nick Way > >> On 29 April 2019 at 17:51 ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 wrote: >> >> >> The one that always used to annoy me, but I now find it hilarious, is the word 'Like', variously used to start a sentence; as a pointless punctuation, and to replace words such as 'said', 'suggested', 'announced', 'asked', 'replied', 'hinted', 'opined', etc. >> >> For example - >> >> Like, I was going down to, like, the shops, and there was, like, Wayne, who had these really cool, like, trainers. >> So, I was like, "Like yer trainers, Wayne." >> And he was like, "You takin the p*ss?" >> And I was like, "That's, like, disrespeckful, Dood!" >> And he was like,"Smash yer, like, face in!" >> etc. >> >> luv, Rog. >> >> >> >> On Sunday, 28 April 2019, 23:48:44 BST, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: >> >> >> Equally annoying is ?me and him? when it should be ?he and I?, or possibly ?him and me?, depending on context. >> >> On the ?ometer? front, I always tell people that a ?killOmeter? is a thing for measuring kilos, i.e. kilograms, in the same way that a milometer is a thing for measuring miles. >> >> No wonder the planet is doomed ~ perhaps we should be campaigning for a language emergency to be declared along with the climate emergency. >> >> Mike G >> >>> On 28 Apr 2019, at 15:36, Gary Critcher via Tech1 < tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > wrote: >>> >>> My pet example is 'your' and 'you're'. >>> I was aghast as long as ten years ago when I was in my local Post Office, they sell greetings/birthday/retirement/get well cards. >>> >>> To my astonishment a Get Well card proclaimed on the front; 'Help Your Feeling Better'. >>> >>> I picked it up with the intention of sending a letter to the publisher/printer (I remember they were in Leeds) but thought that they wouldn't do anything about it, even if they understood what I meant AND they were going to profit from me buying the card as well. >>> >>> all the best! >>> On Sunday, 28 April 2019, 15:32:11 BST, Chris on gmail via Tech1 < tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > wrote: >>> >>> >>> my pet hate after some accident is >>> >>> the victims are gravely ILL when they are Gravely INJURED >>> >>> chris >>> >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > > >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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A few years ago, one of my ex-Students > sent me the following link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NgpFwzEwZa4 . > It seems the Editor was fed up of the word too! > > Enjoy and cringe.... > > Best, > > Nick Way > > On 29 April 2019 at 17:51 ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 > wrote: > > > The one that always used to annoy me, but I now find it hilarious, is the > word 'Like', variously used to start a sentence; as a pointless > punctuation, and to replace words such as 'said', 'suggested', 'announced', > 'asked', 'replied', 'hinted', 'opined', etc. > > For example - > > Like, I was going down to, like, the shops, and there was, like, Wayne, > who had these really cool, like, trainers. > So, I was like, "Like yer trainers, Wayne." > And he was like, "You takin the p*ss?" > And I was like, "That's, like, disrespeckful, Dood!" > And he was like,"Smash yer, like, face in!" > etc. > > luv, Rog. > > > > On Sunday, 28 April 2019, 23:48:44 BST, Mike Giles via Tech1 < > tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote: > > > Equally annoying is ?me and him? when it should be ?he and I?, or possibly > ?him and me?, depending on context. > > On the ?ometer? front, I always tell people that a ?killOmeter? is a thing > for measuring kilos, i.e. kilograms, in the same way that a milometer is a > thing for measuring miles. > > No wonder the planet is doomed ~ perhaps we should be campaigning for a > language emergency to be declared along with the climate emergency. > > Mike G > > On 28 Apr 2019, at 15:36, Gary Critcher via Tech1 < tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> > wrote: > > My pet example is 'your' and 'you're'. > I was aghast as long as ten years ago when I was in my local Post Office, > they sell greetings/birthday/retirement/get well cards. > > To my astonishment a Get Well card proclaimed on the front; 'Help Your > Feeling Better'. > > I picked it up with the intention of sending a letter to the > publisher/printer (I remember they were in Leeds) but thought that they > wouldn't do anything about it, even if they understood what I meant AND > they were going to profit from me buying the card as well. > > all the best! > On Sunday, 28 April 2019, 15:32:11 BST, Chris on gmail via Tech1 < > tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote: > > > my pet hate after some accident is > > the victims are gravely ILL when they are Gravely INJURED > > chris > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From dave at davesound.co.uk Tue Apr 30 04:58:04 2019 From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2019 10:58:04 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Emergency Mains lights resume In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <57acc46b44dave@davesound.co.uk> In article , Tony Grant via Tech1 wrote: > Following the last discussion on the subject, I went ahead and bought: > NiteSafe Maxi Rechargeable Night Light - 4 Function LED Nightlight, Power > Failure Light, Torch and Work light - Triple Value Bundle > > from Amazon, and lo and behold, we had a power cut a couple of days ago, > and as far as I can tell the lights came on immediately. However, the power > was only off for about an hour, so all I can say is that they stayed on for > that length of time, and switched off when the power was restored. Thus, I > can only tell you that they worked as I wanted them to for that length of > time, although the blurb claims a minimum duration of 6 hours light. And it > was in the middle of the day, so no problem for granddaughter, and I can > happily report that they're bright enough to provide the requisite amount > of light should there be a power outage during the night. > So (the dreaded so) I'm quite happy with my purchase, although I've no idea > of their longevity measured in years, but I would expect at least 5 years > minimum. > TeaTeaFN - Tony It's rather going to depend on the quality of the battery and charger. Bit like a cordless phone. If the battery is decent and the charger doesn't cook it, it could have a very long life. I'm very impressed with Li-Ion cells. I vape, and the unit I use has had the same battery for over 5 years. And it gets run to nearly flat every day. -- *I am a nobody, and nobody is perfect; therefore I am perfect* Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From dave at davesound.co.uk Tue Apr 30 04:52:47 2019 From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2019 10:52:47 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] BAFTA Congratulations In-Reply-To: <002901d4ff35$3d101240$b73036c0$@soundsuper.co.uk> References: <002901d4ff35$3d101240$b73036c0$@soundsuper.co.uk> Message-ID: <57acc3efb0dave@davesound.co.uk> In article <002901d4ff35$3d101240$b73036c0$@soundsuper.co.uk>, Robert Miles via Tech1 wrote: > Many congratulations to the sound team headed by Mike Felton for winning > a BAFTA for 'Later with Jools'. > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=baZBNs3NuZ8 Well deserved. ;-) -- *I'm not being rude. You're just insignificant Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From rogerbunce at btinternet.com Tue Apr 30 05:16:14 2019 From: rogerbunce at btinternet.com (ROGER BUNCE) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2019 10:16:14 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Tech1] Emergency Mains lights resume In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1998788735.3643306.1556619374961@mail.yahoo.com> The word 'So', like 'Thus' or 'Therefore' implies a back reference to something that has just been said, and is, therefore, an illogical word with which to start a piece of writing or speech.? ? However, I make a huge exception for Susan Calman, who regularly starts her anecdotes with a distinctive 'So', and what follows is usually so funny that the 'So' alone is enough to get me laughing in anticipation! luv, Rog. On Monday, 29 April 2019, 21:39:24 BST, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote: So it was! ? Graeme Wall > On 29 Apr 2019, at 21:36, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: > > Your use of ?so? in this instance was entirely correct! > Cheers, > Nick. > > Sent from my iPad > > On 29 Apr 2019, at 20:44, Tony Grant via Tech1 wrote: > >> Following the last discussion on the subject, I went ahead and bought: >> NiteSafe Maxi Rechargeable Night Light - 4 Function LED Nightlight, Power Failure Light, Torch and Work light - Triple Value Bundle >> >> from Amazon, and lo and behold, we had a power cut a couple of days ago, and as far as I can tell the lights came on immediately. However, the power was only off for about an hour, so all I can say is that they stayed on for that length of time, and switched off when the power was restored. Thus, I can only tell you that they worked as I wanted them to for that length of time, although the blurb claims a minimum duration of 6 hours light. And it was in the middle of the day, so no problem for granddaughter, and I can happily report that they're bright enough to provide the requisite amount of light should there be a power outage during the night. >> >> So (the dreaded so) I'm quite happy with my purchase, although I've no idea of their longevity measured in years, but I would expect at least 5 years minimum. >> >> TeaTeaFN - Tony >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk Tue Apr 30 05:20:31 2019 From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2019 11:20:31 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Emergency Mains lights resume In-Reply-To: <57acc46b44dave@davesound.co.uk> References: <57acc46b44dave@davesound.co.uk> Message-ID: <2c5fdaab-680e-698c-1254-17bd8c671efb@chriswoolf.co.uk> On 30/04/2019 10:58, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: > > It's rather going to depend on the quality of the battery and charger. > Bit like a cordless phone. If the battery is decent and the charger > doesn't cook it, it could have a very long life. The great benefit of lithium cells is that they are fussy about charging, and dangerous if abused. Thus manufacturers of equipment ~have~ to pay attention to proper charging routines, excessive temperature etc. In the bad old days of lead acid or NiCd a very basic constant voltage or constant current charger sufficed, even if it wasn't optimum. Lithium is very likely to catch fire if you try that, and manufacturers usually put decent chip controlled charging circuits in gear now. Thus the batteries last far longer. [Even in disgusting vape machines;}] Chris Woolf --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From alawrance1 at me.com Tue Apr 30 06:44:41 2019 From: alawrance1 at me.com (Alasdair Lawrance) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2019 12:44:41 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] BAFTA Congratulations In-Reply-To: <57acc3efb0dave@davesound.co.uk> References: <002901d4ff35$3d101240$b73036c0$@soundsuper.co.uk> <57acc3efb0dave@davesound.co.uk> Message-ID: It?s always sounded excellent to me, and I?m a fan of the R&B Orchestra, too. Go and see them if you can, even if Mr Holland can be a bit annoying! They make a terrific noise, we last saw them at Brum Symphony Hall, a superb venue for this kind of thing. > On 30 Apr 2019, at 10:52, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: > > In article <002901d4ff35$3d101240$b73036c0$@soundsuper.co.uk>, > Robert Miles via Tech1 wrote: >> Many congratulations to the sound team headed by Mike Felton for winning >> a BAFTA for 'Later with Jools'. > >> > >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=baZBNs3NuZ8 > > Well deserved. ;-) > > -- > *I'm not being rude. You're just insignificant > > Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From mibridge at mac.com Tue Apr 30 07:41:50 2019 From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2019 13:41:50 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] F1 In-Reply-To: <1833708338.1188708.1556612072932@email.ionos.co.uk> References: <0588299D5D5043CAAC94A65F93B6C30C@dell9100> <2146534217.2211565.1556462164206@mail.yahoo.com> <4981751E-4492-46BC-B80C-D4BAE9E60999@mac.com> <333412026.3129589.1556556660151@mail.yahoo.com> <906632298.1145626.1556561978994@email.ionos.co.uk> <1833708338.1188708.1556612072932@email.ionos.co.uk> Message-ID: <2E04EB19-C0A8-4EB3-A8D0-B7D677DB1B49@mac.com> Nobody?s perfect! But, on second thoughts, perhaps ???? Mike G > On 30 Apr 2019, at 09:14, Nick Way via Tech1 wrote: > > Miles, > > I could say, "see what I did there?", but actually I stand corrected and will now be far more guarded. > > I'm disappointed Roger didn't pull me up on it. We've had many discussions about language and pronunciation. > > Cheers. > > Nick Way > >> On 29 April 2019 at 22:14 Mike Giles wrote: >> >> NIck!!!!! ???fed up of???..? >> >> Surely not. >> >> Mike G >> >>> On 29 Apr 2019, at 19:19, Nick Way via Tech1 < tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote: >>> >>> Dear Rog, >>> >>> As you know, I also dislike 'like'. A few years ago, one of my ex-Students sent me the following link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NgpFwzEwZa4 . It seems the Editor was fed up of the word too! >>> >>> Enjoy and cringe.... >>> >>> Best, >>> >>> Nick Way >>> >>>> On 29 April 2019 at 17:51 ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 < tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> The one that always used to annoy me, but I now find it hilarious, is the word 'Like', variously used to start a sentence; as a pointless punctuation, and to replace words such as 'said', 'suggested', 'announced', 'asked', 'replied', 'hinted', 'opined', etc. >>>> >>>> For example - >>>> >>>> Like, I was going down to, like, the shops, and there was, like, Wayne, who had these really cool, like, trainers. >>>> So, I was like, "Like yer trainers, Wayne." >>>> And he was like, "You takin the p*ss?" >>>> And I was like, "That's, like, disrespeckful, Dood!" >>>> And he was like,"Smash yer, like, face in!" >>>> etc. >>>> >>>> luv, Rog. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sunday, 28 April 2019, 23:48:44 BST, Mike Giles via Tech1 < tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> Equally annoying is ?me and him? when it should be ?he and I?, or possibly ?him and me?, depending on context. >>>> >>>> On the ?ometer? front, I always tell people that a ?killOmeter? is a thing for measuring kilos, i.e. kilograms, in the same way that a milometer is a thing for measuring miles. >>>> >>>> No wonder the planet is doomed ~ perhaps we should be campaigning for a language emergency to be declared along with the climate emergency. >>>> >>>> Mike G >>>> >>>>> On 28 Apr 2019, at 15:36, Gary Critcher via Tech1 < tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> My pet example is 'your' and 'you're'. >>>>> I was aghast as long as ten years ago when I was in my local Post Office, they sell greetings/birthday/retirement/get well cards. >>>>> >>>>> To my astonishment a Get Well card proclaimed on the front; 'Help Your Feeling Better'. >>>>> >>>>> I picked it up with the intention of sending a letter to the publisher/printer (I remember they were in Leeds) but thought that they wouldn't do anything about it, even if they understood what I meant AND they were going to profit from me buying the card as well. >>>>> >>>>> all the best! >>>>> On Sunday, 28 April 2019, 15:32:11 BST, Chris on gmail via Tech1 < tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> my pet hate after some accident is >>>>> >>>>> the victims are gravely ILL when they are Gravely INJURED >>>>> >>>>> chris >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>>>> -- >>>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>> >>> >>> >>>> -- >>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> > > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Do they really make this sort of show these days with no 'sound man'? -- *Never test the depth of the water with both feet.* Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From tonynuttall at me.com Tue Apr 30 09:39:42 2019 From: tonynuttall at me.com (William Nuttall) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2019 14:39:42 GMT Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: North 3 / Lo23 Events References: <271E77B7F7454CF38ECD80AC85561CC8@rtx100> Message-ID: >From Tony Nuttall forward from Jerry Clegg ?North 3 & LO21 Begin forwarded message: From: Jerry Clegg Date: 30/04/2019 To: Jerry Clegg Subject: North 3 / Lo23 Events Greetings All ? The 'heritage scanners' North 3 and Lo23 will be out and about again this year. North 3, which is 50 this year,?will be at the Cambridge Museum of Technology from May 21st - 24th and a few of you have registered with Pye Heritage Trust to attend their private opening of the Pye TVT museum. That?is not a public event. ? Please note that we will not be at the Llandudno Transport Festival this year. ? The first full scale public event will be Kelsall Steam Rally on 22nd and 23rd June, where it is hoped to show North 3 and Lo23 side by side. The technical restoration of Lo23 is almost complete and it is once again in original BBC livery.?Both scanners took part in the 90-mile Cheshire Run for commercial vehicles on? 28th April. ? August 10th and 11th sees us with North 3 at the Avro Air Fair 2019 at the former Woodford Airfield near Stockport. That is a first class event with flypasts?of the Lancaster and other aircraft, replica aircraft, classic buses and cars and a steam railway. ? We expect to be at the Shrewsbury Steam Fair on 25th/26th August. Note that the show takes place on the Sunday and Bank Holiday Monday, but not on the Saturday (24th August). That is a rig day. ? That is the state of the bookings to date. We hope to?meet up with some of you at one or other of these events. ? Kind Regards ? Jerry?? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bernie833 at gmail.com Tue Apr 30 10:23:40 2019 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2019 16:23:40 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: Fwd: North 3 / Lo23 Events In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <617dec48-8287-203d-3ee6-134a9f8570a7@ntlworld.com> -------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: Fwd: North 3 / Lo23 Events Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2019 14:39:42 GMT From: William Nuttall To: Bernard Newnham CC: Bernard Newnham From Tony Nuttall forward from Jerry Clegg ?North 3 & LO21 Begin forwarded message: > *From: *Jerry Clegg > *Date: *30/04/2019 > *To: *Jerry Clegg > *Subject: **North 3 / Lo23 Events* > > Greetings All > The 'heritage scanners' North 3 and Lo23 will be out and about again > this year. North 3, which is 50 this year,?will be at the Cambridge > Museum of Technology from May 21st - 24th and a few of you have > registered with Pye Heritage Trust to attend their private opening of > the Pye TVT museum. That?is not a public event. > Please note that we will not be at the Llandudno Transport Festival > this year. > The first full scale public event will be Kelsall Steam Rally on 22nd > and 23rd June, where it is hoped to show North 3 and Lo23 side by > side. The technical restoration of Lo23 is almost complete and it is > once again in original BBC livery.?Both scanners took part in the > 90-mile Cheshire Run for commercial vehicles on? 28th April. > August 10th and 11th sees us with North 3 at the Avro Air Fair 2019 at > the former Woodford Airfield near Stockport. That is a first class > event with flypasts?of the Lancaster and other aircraft, replica > aircraft, classic buses and cars and a steam railway. > We expect to be at the Shrewsbury Steam Fair on 25th/26th August. Note > that the show takes place on the Sunday and Bank Holiday Monday, but > not on the Saturday (24th August). That is a rig day. > That is the state of the bookings to date. We hope to?meet up with > some of you at one or other of these events. > Kind Regards > Jerry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bernie833 at gmail.com Tue Apr 30 10:57:15 2019 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2019 16:57:15 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Repair Shop In-Reply-To: <57acd539f5dave@davesound.co.uk> References: <57acd539f5dave@davesound.co.uk> Message-ID: I've never seen it, but being daytime it will have to be made cheaply, so multi-skilling all round. B On 30/04/2019 14:01, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: > Is one of those day time progs I watch at a more convenient time. Of its > type, better than most and nice to see crafts alive and well. Not sure > about the usual tearful customers, though. ;-) > > Sound wise, it is as complex (or not) as most of this sort of prog. Up to > half a dozen or so discussing something. > > But no sound credit - other than dubbing. Even the drone operator gets a > credit for a 'stock' shot. And just about everyone else. > > Do they really make this sort of show these days with no 'sound man'? > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From relong at btinternet.com Tue Apr 30 11:55:57 2019 From: relong at btinternet.com (Roger E Long) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2019 17:55:57 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Repair Shop In-Reply-To: References: <57acd539f5dave@davesound.co.uk> Message-ID: 10 or 12 radios into a 24 track HD device Sorted by a dialog editor ,mixed by the Dubbing Mixer Machine television? Roger > On 30 Apr 2019, at 16:57, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: > > I've never seen it, but being daytime it will have to be made cheaply, so multi-skilling all round. > > B > > > On 30/04/2019 14:01, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: >> Is one of those day time progs I watch at a more convenient time. Of its >> type, better than most and nice to see crafts alive and well. Not sure >> about the usual tearful customers, though. ;-) >> >> Sound wise, it is as complex (or not) as most of this sort of prog. Up to >> half a dozen or so discussing something. >> >> But no sound credit - other than dubbing. Even the drone operator gets a >> credit for a 'stock' shot. And just about everyone else. >> >> Do they really make this sort of show these days with no 'sound man'? >> > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From keithwicksuk at gmail.com Tue Apr 30 12:20:45 2019 From: keithwicksuk at gmail.com (Keith Wicks) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2019 18:20:45 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] F1 In-Reply-To: References: <0588299D5D5043CAAC94A65F93B6C30C@dell9100> <2146534217.2211565.1556462164206@mail.yahoo.com> <4981751E-4492-46BC-B80C-D4BAE9E60999@mac.com> <333412026.3129589.1556556660151@mail.yahoo.com> <906632298.1145626.1556561978994@email.ionos.co.uk> Message-ID: There's an interesting BBC article on pronunciation (including "aitch anxiety") here: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-11642588 To quote a few bits of the text: ... Pedants, beware. The sound of *says*, *ate*, *mischievous*, *harass*, *garage*, *schedule *and *aitch* is shifting.... ... pronunciation is not a matter of right and wrong but merely fashion.... ... the BBC's guide to pronunciation from 1928.... informs announcers that *pristine* rhymes with *wine*, *respite* is pronounced as if there were no *e*, *combat* is *cumbat*, *finance* was *finn-ance*. Even then some of the suggestions were becoming archaic. Not only is *housewifery* no longer pronounced *huzzifry*, it is almost entirely obsolete as a word.... KW On Tue, 30 Apr 2019 at 07:25, Geoff Fletcher via Tech1 wrote: > My wife and I absolutely hate ?Haitch? instead of ?Aitch?! The female > detective in Line Of Duty said it in the last episode for example- I nearly > switched it off! > Geoff F > > On Mon, 29 Apr 2019 at 22:14, Mike Giles via Tech1 > wrote: > >> NIck!!!!! ???fed up of???..? >> >> Surely not. >> >> Mike G >> >> >> On 29 Apr 2019, at 19:19, Nick Way via Tech1 >> wrote: >> >> Dear Rog, >> >> As you know, I also dislike 'like'. A few years ago, one of my >> ex-Students sent me the following link: >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NgpFwzEwZa4 . It seems the Editor was >> fed up of the word too! >> >> Enjoy and cringe.... >> >> Best, >> >> Nick Way >> >> On 29 April 2019 at 17:51 ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 >> wrote: >> >> >> The one that always used to annoy me, but I now find it hilarious, is the >> word 'Like', variously used to start a sentence; as a pointless >> punctuation, and to replace words such as 'said', 'suggested', 'announced', >> 'asked', 'replied', 'hinted', 'opined', etc. >> >> For example - >> >> Like, I was going down to, like, the shops, and there was, like, Wayne, >> who had these really cool, like, trainers. >> So, I was like, "Like yer trainers, Wayne." >> And he was like, "You takin the p*ss?" >> And I was like, "That's, like, disrespeckful, Dood!" >> And he was like,"Smash yer, like, face in!" >> etc. >> >> luv, Rog. >> >> >> >> On Sunday, 28 April 2019, 23:48:44 BST, Mike Giles via Tech1 < >> tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote: >> >> >> Equally annoying is ?me and him? when it should be ?he and I?, or >> possibly ?him and me?, depending on context. >> >> On the ?ometer? front, I always tell people that a ?killOmeter? is a >> thing for measuring kilos, i.e. kilograms, in the same way that a milometer >> is a thing for measuring miles. >> >> No wonder the planet is doomed ~ perhaps we should be campaigning for a >> language emergency to be declared along with the climate emergency. >> >> Mike G >> >> On 28 Apr 2019, at 15:36, Gary Critcher via Tech1 < tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> >> wrote: >> >> My pet example is 'your' and 'you're'. >> I was aghast as long as ten years ago when I was in my local Post Office, >> they sell greetings/birthday/retirement/get well cards. >> >> To my astonishment a Get Well card proclaimed on the front; 'Help Your >> Feeling Better'. >> >> I picked it up with the intention of sending a letter to the >> publisher/printer (I remember they were in Leeds) but thought that they >> wouldn't do anything about it, even if they understood what I meant AND >> they were going to profit from me buying the card as well. >> >> all the best! >> On Sunday, 28 April 2019, 15:32:11 BST, Chris on gmail via Tech1 < >> tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote: >> >> >> my pet hate after some accident is >> >> the victims are gravely ILL when they are Gravely INJURED >> >> chris >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> >> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From vernon.dyer at btinternet.com Tue Apr 30 16:26:27 2019 From: vernon.dyer at btinternet.com (Vernon Dyer) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2019 22:26:27 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] F1 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5B93D59415773C21@rgout02.bt.lon5.cpcloud.co.uk> (added by postmaster@btinternet.com) My reply to this seems to have gone missing, so apologies if you have already seen it, because I haven?t! I said there?s no inconsistency, because a thermOMeter is a measuring device whereas a KILometre is a multiplier. Sorry, this is all getting very pedantic, so to lighten the mood: Who led the Peasants? Revolt? Wat Tyler. Who led the Pedants? Revolt? WHICH Tyler! And with that ..... Goodnight! Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Keith Wicks Sent: 29 April 2019 18:21 To: vernon.dyer Cc: tech1 Subject: Re: [Tech1] F1 Are you are consistent enough to take your temperature using a THERMOmeter? On Sun, 28 Apr 2019 at 13:14, vernon.dyer via Tech1 wrote: So - what's wrong with 'well'? - I agree about 'different to' and 'should of', although 'different than' is fine, I think. As for '...and I', the trick I learnt/learned? (another can of worms!) from an English teacher is to leave out the first bit? (e g Greg) and say what comes naturally - in other words, you wouldn't say 'a plate of food for I'.? Another personal hate of mine is 'k'LOMMeter.' You don't say 'k'LOGGram' or 'centIMMeter', so why not 'KILL-ometre?' Best wishes - Vern Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. My pet hate is the incorrect use of 'I' and 'me'. John Torrode on Masterchef always gets it wrong when he asks contestants to '..create a plate of food for Greg and I'. Grrr. Martin On 28/04/2019 08:03, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote: > My b?te noir is "should of?. I sent a training application back amd turned the course down because the accompanying letter told me I ?should of? completed all of it. > ? > Graeme Wall > > >> On 28 Apr 2019, at 07:52, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 wrote: >> >> I?m also hearing ?different than?, which is annoying. >> >> Alasdair Lawrance. >> >> Sent from my iPad Pro. >> >> On 27 Apr 2019, at 21:30, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: >> >>> So (used appropriately) Sky want the best part of a TV licence fee, just for Grand Prix! >>> >>> My wife flies into paroxysms of rage every time the ?s? word features in the wrong place. Whereas I?m the meek and mild sort who merely kicks the cat (It?s OK ~ we haven?t got one.) But I do become enraged by the almost universal use of ?different to?, which should be ?different from?. Nobody would make the opposite mistake of saying ?similar from? instead of ?similar to?!? -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com Tue Apr 30 17:27:43 2019 From: geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com (geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2019 23:27:43 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Pronunciation Message-ID: <007101d4ffa3$ee2d8620$ca889260$@gmail.com> Pronunciation or mis-pronunciation is something that vexes me, as with many of us. You?ve previously mentioned some of them, ?Should of? for ?Should?ve? was one that I had to correct my son for, many times when he was a boy and I think he still gets it wrong. Did sons ever take notice of their dads? These days the roles are reversed he?s fond of telling me what to do. I nearly used an exclamation mark at the end of that sentence, till I remembered how I hate the over use of that after any remark. Of the words listed below, ?mischievous? is among the front runners for me. I remember being told about that when I was at juniour school. My grandama always said ?mischievious? and I copied her but was informed abruptly by the teacher that it?s an ?ous? at the end, not ?eous? and it?s surprising how many, even esteemed Radio 4 people get that wrong today. Dropped ?t?s annoy me too, as when ?our community? is pronounced ?commune-i-ee? or, particularly when people in or from the USA say ?ciddy? when they mean ?city?. That?s before we get on to things like ?water? being pronounced ?waw-ah?, or ?nooos? and ?nooo? instead of ?news? or ?new?. There?s an announcer-com-news-reader on Radio 4 who tries too hard to sound ?proper posh? or BBC plummy and often adds an ?H? where it isn?t needed, as in ??The Ah-chers? or even ?Hah-chers? and frequently gets the emphasis on coupled words wrong, eg ?Woman?s Hour? instead of ?Woman?s Hour?. I doubt if he talks like that at home and wish he?d be more natural. If you listen to Front Row, one of the presenters always stresses the final word or syllable when he?s reading an introduction or link and makes every single sentence sound the same. Have you noticed how many Radio4 programmes use the same link at the end, week after week, whoever the presenter is? Andrew Marr, it?s ??.next week we have?.. but for now, thank you and goodbye? and after the Sunday Programme, it?s ??.meanwhile, thank you for listening and enjoy the rest of your weekend.? Is it where we worked that makes us fussy, or what? Geoff Hawkes From: Tech1 [mailto:tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk] On Behalf Of Keith Wicks via Tech1 Sent: 30 April 2019 18:21 To: Geoff Fletcher Cc: Tech Ops Subject: Re: [Tech1] F1 There's an interesting BBC article on pronunciation (including "aitch anxiety") here: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-11642588 To quote a few bits of the text: ... Pedants, beware. The sound of says, ate, mischievous, harass, garage, schedule and aitch is shifting.... ... pronunciation is not a matter of right and wrong but merely fashion.... ... the BBC's guide to pronunciation from 1928.... informs announcers that pristine rhymes with wine, respite is pronounced as if there were no e, combat is cumbat, finance was finn-ance. Even then some of the suggestions were becoming archaic. Not only is housewifery no longer pronounced huzzifry, it is almost entirely obsolete as a word.... KW On Tue, 30 Apr 2019 at 07:25, Geoff Fletcher via Tech1 wrote: My wife and I absolutely hate ?Haitch? instead of ?Aitch?! The female detective in Line Of Duty said it in the last episode for example- I nearly switched it off! Geoff F On Mon, 29 Apr 2019 at 22:14, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: NIck!!!!! ???fed up of???..? Surely not. Mike G On 29 Apr 2019, at 19:19, Nick Way via Tech1 wrote: Dear Rog, As you know, I also dislike 'like'. A few years ago, one of my ex-Students sent me the following link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NgpFwzEwZa4 . It seems the Editor was fed up of the word too! Enjoy and cringe.... Best, Nick Way On 29 April 2019 at 17:51 ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 wrote: The one that always used to annoy me, but I now find it hilarious, is the word 'Like', variously used to start a sentence; as a pointless punctuation, and to replace words such as 'said', 'suggested', 'announced', 'asked', 'replied', 'hinted', 'opined', etc. For example - Like, I was going down to, like, the shops, and there was, like, Wayne, who had these really cool, like, trainers. So, I was like, "Like yer trainers, Wayne." And he was like, "You takin the p*ss?" And I was like, "That's, like, disrespeckful, Dood!" And he was like,"Smash yer, like, face in!" etc. luv, Rog. On Sunday, 28 April 2019, 23:48:44 BST, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: Equally annoying is ?me and him? when it should be ?he and I?, or possibly ?him and me?, depending on context. On the ?ometer? front, I always tell people that a ?killOmeter? is a thing for measuring kilos, i.e. kilograms, in the same way that a milometer is a thing for measuring miles. No wonder the planet is doomed ~ perhaps we should be campaigning for a language emergency to be declared along with the climate emergency. Mike G On 28 Apr 2019, at 15:36, Gary Critcher via Tech1 < tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote: My pet example is 'your' and 'you're'. I was aghast as long as ten years ago when I was in my local Post Office, they sell greetings/birthday/retirement/get well cards. To my astonishment a Get Well card proclaimed on the front; 'Help Your Feeling Better'. I picked it up with the intention of sending a letter to the publisher/printer (I remember they were in Leeds) but thought that they wouldn't do anything about it, even if they understood what I meant AND they were going to profit from me buying the card as well. all the best! 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