From bernie833 at gmail.com  Tue May  1 03:58:50 2018
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Tue, 1 May 2018 09:58:50 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Birdcam
Message-ID: <1460f72d-8fd7-e840-0220-4f840df4a2c9@gmail.com>

Birdcam is on.?? Without us noticing she has laid, then hidden, eight 
eggs, which she has just started incubating -
https://www.youtube.com/user/bern444/live

B
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From graeme.wall at icloud.com  Tue May  1 04:20:40 2018
From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall)
Date: Tue, 01 May 2018 10:20:40 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Birdcam
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Nice
? 
Graeme Wall





> On 1 May 2018, at 09:58, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Birdcam is on.   Without us noticing she has laid, then hidden, eight eggs, which she has just started incubating -
> https://www.youtube.com/user/bern444/live
> 
> B
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From doug.prior at talktalk.net  Tue May  1 10:32:34 2018
From: doug.prior at talktalk.net (doug.prior)
Date: Tue, 01 May 2018 16:32:34 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Birdcam
Message-ID: <evqatdl01fyyloj1qpim9quj.1525188754557@email.android.com>

Snap. Just checked on my birdcam . ?Nine eggs but still laying.
What lights your box to get colour??
Doug Prior



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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Tue May  1 10:42:09 2018
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Tue, 1 May 2018 16:42:09 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Birdcam
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Sunlight.

I put LEDs in a fewyears ago, but stopped using them - hated the idea of 
making the box glow like a beacon. On dull days it's a bit dim but 
watchable.

This is a new webcam, as the old ones didn't work any more. Better 
resolution, better colour. I imagine that ordinary webcams are the dross 
left over from making your Nikon D850

B



On 01/05/2018 16:32, doug.prior via Tech1 wrote:
> Snap. Just checked on my birdcam . ?Nine eggs but still laying.
> What lights your box to get colour?
> Doug Prior
>
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From david.beer at talktalk.net  Tue May  1 12:29:49 2018
From: david.beer at talktalk.net (David Beer)
Date: Tue, 1 May 2018 18:29:49 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Birdcam
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Here are a couple of screenshots from our nest box camera today. We have 
a great tit which has just produced 6 eggs. Does this Trump, if you'll 
pardon the expression, a blue tit on eggs!?



Dave


On 01/05/2018 16:42, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote:
> Sunlight.
>
> I put LEDs in a fewyears ago, but stopped using them - hated the idea 
> of making the box glow like a beacon. On dull days it's a bit dim but 
> watchable.
>
> This is a new webcam, as the old ones didn't work any more. Better 
> resolution, better colour. I imagine that ordinary webcams are the 
> dross left over from making your Nikon D850
>
> B
>
>
>
> On 01/05/2018 16:32, doug.prior via Tech1 wrote:
>> Snap. Just checked on my birdcam . ?Nine eggs but still laying.
>> What lights your box to get colour?
>> Doug Prior
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from Samsung Mobile
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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Wed May  2 06:22:59 2018
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Wed, 2 May 2018 12:22:59 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] FT Article
Message-ID: <098d60c4-6e2b-9e1c-dddb-849f89368e75@gmail.com>

Thanks to Jackie Shorey, Len's daughter, who is on this list, for 
pointing out an article by Jeremy Paxman in the Financial Times 
yesterday. It's behind a paywall, and she kindly did a sharing deal to 
allow me access. I in my turn have ripped it off for community 
information purposes - ie so that you too can read it.?? I think it's 
vintage Paxman -

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

 ??? I spent Monday night with Valerie Singleton, Johnny Morris and Bob 
the Builder. I think we were in what had once been the office of the 
head of BBC News, although I cannot be certain. The fact that one of my 
companions is dead and one never existed doesn?t matter (happily, 
Valerie is still doing interesting things with sticky-backed plastic). 
They were brought together in a Peter Blake collage hanging in my 
bedroom at the new White City House hotel, featuring 50-odd faces from 
programmes that were made here during the building?s previous 
incarnation, as BBC Television Centre.

I was, by a long margin, the oldest person staying in the hotel on 
launch night last week, and frankly, if I couldn?t identify many of the 
picture?s other faces, younger guests might have taken them for a tribe 
of Kalahari Bushmen. But that?s the fleeting familiarity of television. 
Trying to reinvent the old headquarters of BBC Television as a glamorous 
venue is risky from the start.
At the time of its opening, in June 1960, the then boss of BBC 
television had boasted of it as ?the largest, best-equipped and most 
carefully planned factory of its kind in the world?. That word ?factory? 
isn?t good. But it is accurate. From the air the place looked like a 
giant question mark and the building certainly had a revolutionary 
design, the circular walls allowing trucks and scene shifters access to 
eight studios. In time the design was imitated across the world.

But everyone knew that Television Centre had only been built in White 
City, on London?s western outskirts, because land was cheap: studios 
require a lot of space, and square-footage was a lot cheaper opposite an 
Express Dairies depot in outer W12. Much the same considerations had 
been in play when the area had been chosen as the site of the 1908 
London Olympics.
By the time the Corporation abandoned most of the building, in 2013, it 
had become pretty shabby. The hugely original design of the 1950s had 
lost its architectural integrity as bits were built on to it. The whole 
thing was down-at-heel, with scuff marks and coffee stains all over the 
floors and a very noticeable rodent problem. In one of its legendarily 
incompetent property deals, the Corporation announced it was going to 
abandon the place for ?cheaper? premises at New Broadcasting House in 
the centre of London. As common sense suggests, they were cheaper 
because they were very much smaller, with no proper studios. Staff 
members live out their working lives there in a sort of unhappy 
aquarium. Some were even told that, as there was no desk for them, they 
could get WiFi access in local coffee shops. A manager who needs privacy 
to sack an inadequate producer has to book one of the meeting rooms, 
named after past TV series. Everyone dreads hearing ?See me in Only 
Fools and Horses?.

When the time came to leave White City, many BBC people had felt things 
could only get better. There would, at last, be somewhere else to shop 
than Shepherd?s Bush market. There?d be places to eat. There?d be no 
more grumbling from wannabe Alastair Campbells about ministers having to 
schlep out to W12 to be harangued. If someone had said the old site 
would become a venue for expensive apartments and a glammed-up hotel 
they?d have drawn a belly-laugh.

But that is what has happened. BBC Television Centre is emerging from a 
?1.5bn makeover that developers hope will turn it into a lively new 
neighbourhood with 950 homes as well as offices, shops, restaurants, 
bars and a hotel ? the latest outpost of the Soho House group.

In the days when Television Centre was devoted to television, you could 
eat in one of three canteens, all of which provided terrible food, but 
in one of which, favoured by the boss class, you could have it served by 
a waitress. In the evening, many of us went to the Tea Bar for 
sandwiches, where Big Linda would dispense dodgy-looking pies, amid much 
verbal abuse from the gap in her teeth. Then the thing was privatised. 
Linda refused to be retired, was prised out of her plastic overall into 
some stupid uniform and the place was renamed The Filling Station. It 
was universally known as The Killing Station.

By contrast, the (largely Asian fusion) food at White City House is 
pretty good. Taiwanese fried chicken and lamb chops with a Korean spice 
dressing were particularly fine. How Big Linda would have dispensed the 
bowls of acai berries or wheat-free ricotta pancakes on the breakfast 
menu boggles the mind. As it was, I chose smashed avocado and poached 
eggs on sourdough toast for breakfast and was still asked by the very 
charming waiter whether I had ?any allergies we ought to know about?. 
The staff ? who repeatedly call you by your first name, as if you see 
each other at the gym every day ? are terrific. There are, 
unsurprisingly, plenty of vegan choices.

Television Centre may have originally been designed to be cool, but 
people trying to do their jobs quickly made it just another human 
workplace. My fellow diners were all more smartly dressed than anyone 
from the days of TV production, many of whom were very crumpled indeed.

During one of its periodic fits of managerial madness, members of the 
BBC radio newsroom had been frogmarched from central London to work in 
White City and television producers would turn up to work at what 
optimists dubbed ?The Fun Factory?, to discover unmistakable evidence 
that the furniture had been used for sleeping by the radio newsroom 
night shift.
Confining men and women together ? even in a west London wilderness ? 
also inevitably meant that sex occurred, about which there was a strong 
corporate line, since the organisation never got over Lord Reith?s 
disgust at being told a couple of staffers had been found in flagrante 
on top of a desk.

?Firstly,? he said, drawing himself to his full Presbyterian 6ft 6, ?the 
desk must be burned. Secondly that man must never read the Epilogue again.?

Both sleep and sex look to be much more comfortable in the beds of the 
hotel, provided in price bands ranging from ?120 for what is advertised 
as a ?Tiny? room, through ?Cosy? and ?Small? rooms (?140 and ?160), to 
?Big? at ?230. In keeping with the 1950/60s theme, rooms are done out in 
fluted panelling, chandeliers with Bakelite-era shades, retro Trimphones 
and Roberts radios. There are vaporisers in the well-equipped minibar to 
spray vermouth into your Martini. Mad Men?s Don Draper would be quite at 
home.

The sad truth is that Draper is a lot cooler than most of us who worked 
at TVC. The hotel idea is, presumably, to bring some east London cool to 
west London. They have their work cut out, and it will require more than 
a sprinkling of irony.

Television production hasn?t vanished entirely from the site ? the BBC 
hung on to three studios there, two of which are rented out for the 
manufacture of programmes for daytime ITV. (In a planning masterstroke, 
London now has a great shortage of space to make TV shows.) The original 
Stage Door area, where you might meet anyone from Les Dawson to the home 
secretary, is now the reception area for the part of the building turned 
into flats. The public lavatory-style tiling inside the doughnut at the 
heart of the question-mark has been cleaned. The statue of Helios, the 
sun god, seems to have been regilded and beneath it is a subterranean 
gym. A rooftop pool offers views over the White City Housing Estate and 
into the walls of the Westfield shopping centre.
Estate agents talk of the three most important qualities in a property 
being ?location, location, location? and Television Centre is opposite 
one of the nastiest-looking office blocks in London, which seems to 
provide space to small businesses. In the prevailing mood of irony, a 
sign boasts ?we?re Ugli?.

A brochure in the hotel room advertises attractions ?around White City 
House?. They include shops on Portobello Road, which is a mile away, 
restaurants in W10 that are almost two miles away and the Serpentine 
Gallery in Hyde Park (even further). They seemed somewhere over the 
rainbow when I worked there, but maybe geography is only about perception.

Jeremy Paxman worked for the BBC from 1972 until 2014, spending much of 
that time at Television Centre. He was a guest of White City House 
(whitecityhouse.com)

Financial Times 1/5/2018
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From dave at davesound.co.uk  Wed May  2 07:48:26 2018
From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman)
Date: Wed, 02 May 2018 13:48:26 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] FT Article
In-Reply-To: <098d60c4-6e2b-9e1c-dddb-849f89368e75@gmail.com>
References: <098d60c4-6e2b-9e1c-dddb-849f89368e75@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <56f1e39247dave@davesound.co.uk>

In article <098d60c4-6e2b-9e1c-dddb-849f89368e75 at gmail.com>,
   Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> As it was, I chose smashed avocado and poached 
> eggs on sourdough toast for breakfast

Oh dear. Not being much of a Paxo fan, I may have to change by favourite
Sunday morning lunch at a local restaurant. ;-)

-- 
*If they arrest the Energizer Bunny, would they charge it with battery? *

    Dave Plowman     dave at davesound.co.uk     London SW 12
    


From graeme.wall at icloud.com  Wed May  2 10:31:19 2018
From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall)
Date: Wed, 02 May 2018 16:31:19 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] FT Article
In-Reply-To: <098d60c4-6e2b-9e1c-dddb-849f89368e75@gmail.com>
References: <098d60c4-6e2b-9e1c-dddb-849f89368e75@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BBC267B3-6748-45A7-82B9-3B12E8774CBF@icloud.com>





> On 2 May 2018, at 12:22, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> (happily, Valerie is still doing interesting things with sticky-backed plastic).

Think I?d better have a cold shower?

? 
Graeme Wall



From rogerbunce at btinternet.com  Thu May  3 04:52:05 2018
From: rogerbunce at btinternet.com (ROGER BUNCE)
Date: Thu, 3 May 2018 09:52:05 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tech1] FT Article
In-Reply-To: <098d60c4-6e2b-9e1c-dddb-849f89368e75@gmail.com>
References: <098d60c4-6e2b-9e1c-dddb-849f89368e75@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <168801490.5866179.1525341125641@mail.yahoo.com>

Much though I love Paxo - (and Big Linda) - Get Yer Facts Right! 'Bob the Builder' shot at Television Centre?!
"The public lavatory-style tiling inside the doughnut at the heart of the question-mark has been cleaned."?I remember it as cobbles, in two tones, arranged in a circular checkerboard pattern. They've not just been cleaned; they've been dug up and replaced by boring paving slabs.
And we may have deplored the state of Canteen food, up until the point when they privatised it - then we discovered how good it used to be!
Meanwhile, this has appeared on Facebook, a pleasant reminder of the days when we shot music with EMI 2001s and well-composed imagery, before the fashion for wobbly whirl-abouts. Watch and wallow in nostalgia! (Did anyone here work on it?)
luv, Rog.
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      From: Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
 To: "tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk" <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> 
 Sent: Wednesday, 2 May 2018, 12:23
 Subject: [Tech1] FT Article
   
  Thanks to Jackie Shorey, Len's daughter, who is on this list, for pointing out an article by Jeremy Paxman in the Financial Times yesterday. It's behind a paywall, and she kindly did a sharing deal to allow me access. I in my turn have ripped it off for community information purposes - ie so that you too can read it.?? I think it's vintage Paxman - 
 
 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
 
 ??? I spent Monday night with Valerie Singleton, Johnny Morris and Bob the Builder. I think we were in what had once been the office of the head of BBC News, although I cannot be certain. The fact that one of my companions is dead and one never existed doesn?t matter (happily, Valerie is still doing interesting things with sticky-backed plastic). They were brought together in a Peter Blake collage hanging in my bedroom at the new White City House hotel, featuring 50-odd faces from programmes that were made here during the building?s previous incarnation, as BBC Television Centre.
 
 I was, by a long margin, the oldest person staying in the hotel on launch night last week, and frankly, if I couldn?t identify many of the picture?s other faces, younger guests might have taken them for a tribe of Kalahari Bushmen. But that?s the fleeting familiarity of television. Trying to reinvent the old headquarters of BBC Television as a glamorous venue is risky from the start.
 At the time of its opening, in June 1960, the then boss of BBC television had boasted of it as ?the largest, best-equipped and most carefully planned factory of its kind in the world?. That word ?factory? isn?t good. But it is accurate. From the air the place looked like a giant question mark and the building certainly had a revolutionary design, the circular walls allowing trucks and scene shifters access to eight studios. In time the design was imitated across the world.
 
 But everyone knew that Television Centre had only been built in White City, on London?s western outskirts, because land was cheap: studios require a lot of space, and square-footage was a lot cheaper opposite an Express Dairies depot in outer W12. Much the same considerations had been in play when the area had been chosen as the site of the 1908 London Olympics.
 By the time the Corporation abandoned most of the building, in 2013, it had become pretty shabby. The hugely original design of the 1950s had lost its architectural integrity as bits were built on to it. The whole thing was down-at-heel, with scuff marks and coffee stains all over the floors and a very noticeable rodent problem. In one of its legendarily incompetent property deals, the Corporation announced it was going to abandon the place for ?cheaper? premises at New Broadcasting House in the centre of London. As common sense suggests, they were cheaper because they were very much smaller, with no proper studios. Staff members live out their working lives there in a sort of unhappy aquarium. Some were even told that, as there was no desk for them, they could get WiFi access in local coffee shops. A manager who needs privacy to sack an inadequate producer has to book one of the meeting rooms, named after past TV series. Everyone dreads hearing ?See me in Only Fools and Horses?.
 
 When the time came to leave White City, many BBC people had felt things could only get better. There would, at last, be somewhere else to shop than Shepherd?s Bush market. There?d be places to eat. There?d be no more grumbling from wannabe Alastair Campbells about ministers having to schlep out to W12 to be harangued. If someone had said the old site would become a venue for expensive apartments and a glammed-up hotel they?d have drawn a belly-laugh.
 
 But that is what has happened. BBC Television Centre is emerging from a ?1.5bn makeover that developers hope will turn it into a lively new neighbourhood with 950 homes as well as offices, shops, restaurants, bars and a hotel ? the latest outpost of the Soho House group.
 
 In the days when Television Centre was devoted to television, you could eat in one of three canteens, all of which provided terrible food, but in one of which, favoured by the boss class, you could have it served by a waitress. In the evening, many of us went to the Tea Bar for sandwiches, where Big Linda would dispense dodgy-looking pies, amid much verbal abuse from the gap in her teeth. Then the thing was privatised. Linda refused to be retired, was prised out of her plastic overall into some stupid uniform and the place was renamed The Filling Station. It was universally known as The Killing Station.
 
 By contrast, the (largely Asian fusion) food at White City House is pretty good. Taiwanese fried chicken and lamb chops with a Korean spice dressing were particularly fine. How Big Linda would have dispensed the bowls of acai berries or wheat-free ricotta pancakes on the breakfast menu boggles the mind. As it was, I chose smashed avocado and poached eggs on sourdough toast for breakfast and was still asked by the very charming waiter whether I had ?any allergies we ought to know about?. The staff ? who repeatedly call you by your first name, as if you see each other at the gym every day ? are terrific. There are, unsurprisingly, plenty of vegan choices.
 
 Television Centre may have originally been designed to be cool, but people trying to do their jobs quickly made it just another human workplace. My fellow diners were all more smartly dressed than anyone from the days of TV production, many of whom were very crumpled indeed.
 
 During one of its periodic fits of managerial madness, members of the BBC radio newsroom had been frogmarched from central London to work in White City and television producers would turn up to work at what optimists dubbed ?The Fun Factory?, to discover unmistakable evidence that the furniture had been used for sleeping by the radio newsroom night shift.
 Confining men and women together ? even in a west London wilderness ? also inevitably meant that sex occurred, about which there was a strong corporate line, since the organisation never got over Lord Reith?s disgust at being told a couple of staffers had been found in flagrante on top of a desk.
 
 ?Firstly,? he said, drawing himself to his full Presbyterian 6ft 6, ?the desk must be burned. Secondly that man must never read the Epilogue again.?
 
 Both sleep and sex look to be much more comfortable in the beds of the hotel, provided in price bands ranging from ?120 for what is advertised as a ?Tiny? room, through ?Cosy? and ?Small? rooms (?140 and ?160), to ?Big? at ?230. In keeping with the 1950/60s theme, rooms are done out in fluted panelling, chandeliers with Bakelite-era shades, retro Trimphones and Roberts radios. There are vaporisers in the well-equipped minibar to spray vermouth into your Martini. Mad Men?s Don Draper would be quite at home.
 
 The sad truth is that Draper is a lot cooler than most of us who worked at TVC. The hotel idea is, presumably, to bring some east London cool to west London. They have their work cut out, and it will require more than a sprinkling of irony.
 
 Television production hasn?t vanished entirely from the site ? the BBC hung on to three studios there, two of which are rented out for the manufacture of programmes for daytime ITV. (In a planning masterstroke, London now has a great shortage of space to make TV shows.) The original Stage Door area, where you might meet anyone from Les Dawson to the home secretary, is now the reception area for the part of the building turned into flats. The public lavatory-style tiling inside the doughnut at the heart of the question-mark has been cleaned. The statue of Helios, the sun god, seems to have been regilded and beneath it is a subterranean gym. A rooftop pool offers views over the White City Housing Estate and into the walls of the Westfield shopping centre.
 Estate agents talk of the three most important qualities in a property being ?location, location, location? and Television Centre is opposite one of the nastiest-looking office blocks in London, which seems to provide space to small businesses. In the prevailing mood of irony, a sign boasts ?we?re Ugli?.
 
 A brochure in the hotel room advertises attractions ?around White City House?. They include shops on Portobello Road, which is a mile away, restaurants in W10 that are almost two miles away and the Serpentine Gallery in Hyde Park (even further). They seemed somewhere over the rainbow when I worked there, but maybe geography is only about perception.
 
 Jeremy Paxman worked for the BBC from 1972 until 2014, spending much of that time at Television Centre. He was a guest of White City House (whitecityhouse.com)
 
 Financial Times 1/5/2018
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From graeme.wall at icloud.com  Thu May  3 09:42:54 2018
From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall)
Date: Thu, 03 May 2018 15:42:54 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] FT Article
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I see they got the CHAR out of stores!
? 
Graeme Wall





> On 3 May 2018, at 10:52, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Much though I love Paxo - (and Big Linda) - Get Yer Facts Right! 'Bob the Builder' shot at Television Centre?!
> 
> "The public lavatory-style tiling inside the doughnut at the heart of the question-mark has been cleaned." I remember it as cobbles, in two tones, arranged in a circular checkerboard pattern. They've not just been cleaned; they've been dug up and replaced by boring paving slabs.
> 
> And we may have deplored the state of Canteen food, up until the point when they privatised it - then we discovered how good it used to be!
> 
> Meanwhile, this has appeared on Facebook, a pleasant reminder of the days when we shot music with EMI 2001s and well-composed imagery, before the fashion for wobbly whirl-abouts. Watch and wallow in nostalgia! (Did anyone here work on it?)
> 
> luv, Rog.
> 
> Mike Oldfield 'Tubular Bells' Live at the BBC 1973 (high quality / remastered)
> 
> 
>  	
> Mike Oldfield 'Tubular Bells' Live at the BBC 1973 (high quality / ...
> High quality remastered live studio performance of Tubular Bells Part 1 for BBC TV '2nd House', filmed o...
> 
> From: Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> To: "tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk" <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> 
> Sent: Wednesday, 2 May 2018, 12:23
> Subject: [Tech1] FT Article
> 
> Thanks to Jackie Shorey, Len's daughter, who is on this list, for pointing out an article by Jeremy Paxman in the Financial Times yesterday. It's behind a paywall, and she kindly did a sharing deal to allow me access. I in my turn have ripped it off for community information purposes - ie so that you too can read it.   I think it's vintage Paxman - 
> 
> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> 
>     I spent Monday night with Valerie Singleton, Johnny Morris and Bob the Builder. I think we were in what had once been the office of the head of BBC News, although I cannot be certain. The fact that one of my companions is dead and one never existed doesn?t matter (happily, Valerie is still doing interesting things with sticky-backed plastic). They were brought together in a Peter Blake collage hanging in my bedroom at the new White City House hotel, featuring 50-odd faces from programmes that were made here during the building?s previous incarnation, as BBC Television Centre.
> 
> I was, by a long margin, the oldest person staying in the hotel on launch night last week, and frankly, if I couldn?t identify many of the picture?s other faces, younger guests might have taken them for a tribe of Kalahari Bushmen. But that?s the fleeting familiarity of television. Trying to reinvent the old headquarters of BBC Television as a glamorous venue is risky from the start.
> At the time of its opening, in June 1960, the then boss of BBC television had boasted of it as ?the largest, best-equipped and most carefully planned factory of its kind in the world?. That word ?factory? isn?t good. But it is accurate. From the air the place looked like a giant question mark and the building certainly had a revolutionary design, the circular walls allowing trucks and scene shifters access to eight studios. In time the design was imitated across the world.
> 
> But everyone knew that Television Centre had only been built in White City, on London?s western outskirts, because land was cheap: studios require a lot of space, and square-footage was a lot cheaper opposite an Express Dairies depot in outer W12. Much the same considerations had been in play when the area had been chosen as the site of the 1908 London Olympics.
> By the time the Corporation abandoned most of the building, in 2013, it had become pretty shabby. The hugely original design of the 1950s had lost its architectural integrity as bits were built on to it. The whole thing was down-at-heel, with scuff marks and coffee stains all over the floors and a very noticeable rodent problem. In one of its legendarily incompetent property deals, the Corporation announced it was going to abandon the place for ?cheaper? premises at New Broadcasting House in the centre of London. As common sense suggests, they were cheaper because they were very much smaller, with no proper studios. Staff members live out their working lives there in a sort of unhappy aquarium. Some were even told that, as there was no desk for them, they could get WiFi access in local coffee shops. A manager who needs privacy to sack an inadequate producer has to book one of the meeting rooms, named after past TV series. Everyone dreads hearing ?See me in Only Fools and Horses?.
> 
> When the time came to leave White City, many BBC people had felt things could only get better. There would, at last, be somewhere else to shop than Shepherd?s Bush market. There?d be places to eat. There?d be no more grumbling from wannabe Alastair Campbells about ministers having to schlep out to W12 to be harangued. If someone had said the old site would become a venue for expensive apartments and a glammed-up hotel they?d have drawn a belly-laugh.
> 
> But that is what has happened. BBC Television Centre is emerging from a ?1.5bn makeover that developers hope will turn it into a lively new neighbourhood with 950 homes as well as offices, shops, restaurants, bars and a hotel ? the latest outpost of the Soho House group.
> 
> In the days when Television Centre was devoted to television, you could eat in one of three canteens, all of which provided terrible food, but in one of which, favoured by the boss class, you could have it served by a waitress. In the evening, many of us went to the Tea Bar for sandwiches, where Big Linda would dispense dodgy-looking pies, amid much verbal abuse from the gap in her teeth. Then the thing was privatised. Linda refused to be retired, was prised out of her plastic overall into some stupid uniform and the place was renamed The Filling Station. It was universally known as The Killing Station.
> 
> By contrast, the (largely Asian fusion) food at White City House is pretty good. Taiwanese fried chicken and lamb chops with a Korean spice dressing were particularly fine. How Big Linda would have dispensed the bowls of acai berries or wheat-free ricotta pancakes on the breakfast menu boggles the mind. As it was, I chose smashed avocado and poached eggs on sourdough toast for breakfast and was still asked by the very charming waiter whether I had ?any allergies we ought to know about?. The staff ? who repeatedly call you by your first name, as if you see each other at the gym every day ? are terrific. There are, unsurprisingly, plenty of vegan choices.
> 
> Television Centre may have originally been designed to be cool, but people trying to do their jobs quickly made it just another human workplace. My fellow diners were all more smartly dressed than anyone from the days of TV production, many of whom were very crumpled indeed.
> 
> During one of its periodic fits of managerial madness, members of the BBC radio newsroom had been frogmarched from central London to work in White City and television producers would turn up to work at what optimists dubbed ?The Fun Factory?, to discover unmistakable evidence that the furniture had been used for sleeping by the radio newsroom night shift.
> Confining men and women together ? even in a west London wilderness ? also inevitably meant that sex occurred, about which there was a strong corporate line, since the organisation never got over Lord Reith?s disgust at being told a couple of staffers had been found in flagrante on top of a desk.
> 
> ?Firstly,? he said, drawing himself to his full Presbyterian 6ft 6, ?the desk must be burned. Secondly that man must never read the Epilogue again.?
> 
> Both sleep and sex look to be much more comfortable in the beds of the hotel, provided in price bands ranging from ?120 for what is advertised as a ?Tiny? room, through ?Cosy? and ?Small? rooms (?140 and ?160), to ?Big? at ?230. In keeping with the 1950/60s theme, rooms are done out in fluted panelling, chandeliers with Bakelite-era shades, retro Trimphones and Roberts radios. There are vaporisers in the well-equipped minibar to spray vermouth into your Martini. Mad Men?s Don Draper would be quite at home.
> 
> The sad truth is that Draper is a lot cooler than most of us who worked at TVC. The hotel idea is, presumably, to bring some east London cool to west London. They have their work cut out, and it will require more than a sprinkling of irony.
> 
> Television production hasn?t vanished entirely from the site ? the BBC hung on to three studios there, two of which are rented out for the manufacture of programmes for daytime ITV. (In a planning masterstroke, London now has a great shortage of space to make TV shows.) The original Stage Door area, where you might meet anyone from Les Dawson to the home secretary, is now the reception area for the part of the building turned into flats. The public lavatory-style tiling inside the doughnut at the heart of the question-mark has been cleaned. The statue of Helios, the sun god, seems to have been regilded and beneath it is a subterranean gym. A rooftop pool offers views over the White City Housing Estate and into the walls of the Westfield shopping centre.
> Estate agents talk of the three most important qualities in a property being ?location, location, location? and Television Centre is opposite one of the nastiest-looking office blocks in London, which seems to provide space to small businesses. In the prevailing mood of irony, a sign boasts ?we?re Ugli?.
> 
> A brochure in the hotel room advertises attractions ?around White City House?. They include shops on Portobello Road, which is a mile away, restaurants in W10 that are almost two miles away and the Serpentine Gallery in Hyde Park (even further). They seemed somewhere over the rainbow when I worked there, but maybe geography is only about perception.
> 
> Jeremy Paxman worked for the BBC from 1972 until 2014, spending much of that time at Television Centre. He was a guest of White City House (whitecityhouse.com)
> 
> Financial Times 1/5/2018
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From geoffletch at gmail.com  Thu May  3 12:55:08 2018
From: geoffletch at gmail.com (Geoff Fletcher)
Date: Thu, 3 May 2018 18:55:08 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] FT Article
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You mean like this Rog?

Geoff F

On Thu, May 3, 2018 at 3:42 PM, Graeme Wall via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
wrote:

> I see they got the CHAR out of stores!
> ?
> Graeme Wall
>
>
>
>
>
> > On 3 May 2018, at 10:52, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> wrote:
> >
> > Much though I love Paxo - (and Big Linda) - Get Yer Facts Right! 'Bob
> the Builder' shot at Television Centre?!
> >
> > "The public lavatory-style tiling inside the doughnut at the heart of
> the question-mark has been cleaned." I remember it as cobbles, in two
> tones, arranged in a circular checkerboard pattern. They've not just been
> cleaned; they've been dug up and replaced by boring paving slabs.
> >
> > And we may have deplored the state of Canteen food, up until the point
> when they privatised it - then we discovered how good it used to be!
> >
> > Meanwhile, this has appeared on Facebook, a pleasant reminder of the
> days when we shot music with EMI 2001s and well-composed imagery, before
> the fashion for wobbly whirl-abouts. Watch and wallow in nostalgia! (Did
> anyone here work on it?)
> >
> > luv, Rog.
> >
> > Mike Oldfield 'Tubular Bells' Live at the BBC 1973 (high quality /
> remastered)
> >
> >
> >
> > Mike Oldfield 'Tubular Bells' Live at the BBC 1973 (high quality / ...
> > High quality remastered live studio performance of Tubular Bells Part 1
> for BBC TV '2nd House', filmed o...
> >
> > From: Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> > To: "tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk" <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> > Sent: Wednesday, 2 May 2018, 12:23
> > Subject: [Tech1] FT Article
> >
> > Thanks to Jackie Shorey, Len's daughter, who is on this list, for
> pointing out an article by Jeremy Paxman in the Financial Times yesterday.
> It's behind a paywall, and she kindly did a sharing deal to allow me
> access. I in my turn have ripped it off for community information purposes
> - ie so that you too can read it.   I think it's vintage Paxman -
> >
> > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> >
> >     I spent Monday night with Valerie Singleton, Johnny Morris and Bob
> the Builder. I think we were in what had once been the office of the head
> of BBC News, although I cannot be certain. The fact that one of my
> companions is dead and one never existed doesn?t matter (happily, Valerie
> is still doing interesting things with sticky-backed plastic). They were
> brought together in a Peter Blake collage hanging in my bedroom at the new
> White City House hotel, featuring 50-odd faces from programmes that were
> made here during the building?s previous incarnation, as BBC Television
> Centre.
> >
> > I was, by a long margin, the oldest person staying in the hotel on
> launch night last week, and frankly, if I couldn?t identify many of the
> picture?s other faces, younger guests might have taken them for a tribe of
> Kalahari Bushmen. But that?s the fleeting familiarity of television. Trying
> to reinvent the old headquarters of BBC Television as a glamorous venue is
> risky from the start.
> > At the time of its opening, in June 1960, the then boss of BBC
> television had boasted of it as ?the largest, best-equipped and most
> carefully planned factory of its kind in the world?. That word ?factory?
> isn?t good. But it is accurate. From the air the place looked like a giant
> question mark and the building certainly had a revolutionary design, the
> circular walls allowing trucks and scene shifters access to eight studios.
> In time the design was imitated across the world.
> >
> > But everyone knew that Television Centre had only been built in White
> City, on London?s western outskirts, because land was cheap: studios
> require a lot of space, and square-footage was a lot cheaper opposite an
> Express Dairies depot in outer W12. Much the same considerations had been
> in play when the area had been chosen as the site of the 1908 London
> Olympics.
> > By the time the Corporation abandoned most of the building, in 2013, it
> had become pretty shabby. The hugely original design of the 1950s had lost
> its architectural integrity as bits were built on to it. The whole thing
> was down-at-heel, with scuff marks and coffee stains all over the floors
> and a very noticeable rodent problem. In one of its legendarily incompetent
> property deals, the Corporation announced it was going to abandon the place
> for ?cheaper? premises at New Broadcasting House in the centre of London.
> As common sense suggests, they were cheaper because they were very much
> smaller, with no proper studios. Staff members live out their working lives
> there in a sort of unhappy aquarium. Some were even told that, as there was
> no desk for them, they could get WiFi access in local coffee shops. A
> manager who needs privacy to sack an inadequate producer has to book one of
> the meeting rooms, named after past TV series. Everyone dreads hearing ?See
> me in Only Fools and Horses?.
> >
> > When the time came to leave White City, many BBC people had felt things
> could only get better. There would, at last, be somewhere else to shop than
> Shepherd?s Bush market. There?d be places to eat. There?d be no more
> grumbling from wannabe Alastair Campbells about ministers having to schlep
> out to W12 to be harangued. If someone had said the old site would become a
> venue for expensive apartments and a glammed-up hotel they?d have drawn a
> belly-laugh.
> >
> > But that is what has happened. BBC Television Centre is emerging from a
> ?1.5bn makeover that developers hope will turn it into a lively new
> neighbourhood with 950 homes as well as offices, shops, restaurants, bars
> and a hotel ? the latest outpost of the Soho House group.
> >
> > In the days when Television Centre was devoted to television, you could
> eat in one of three canteens, all of which provided terrible food, but in
> one of which, favoured by the boss class, you could have it served by a
> waitress. In the evening, many of us went to the Tea Bar for sandwiches,
> where Big Linda would dispense dodgy-looking pies, amid much verbal abuse
> from the gap in her teeth. Then the thing was privatised. Linda refused to
> be retired, was prised out of her plastic overall into some stupid uniform
> and the place was renamed The Filling Station. It was universally known as
> The Killing Station.
> >
> > By contrast, the (largely Asian fusion) food at White City House is
> pretty good. Taiwanese fried chicken and lamb chops with a Korean spice
> dressing were particularly fine. How Big Linda would have dispensed the
> bowls of acai berries or wheat-free ricotta pancakes on the breakfast menu
> boggles the mind. As it was, I chose smashed avocado and poached eggs on
> sourdough toast for breakfast and was still asked by the very charming
> waiter whether I had ?any allergies we ought to know about?. The staff ?
> who repeatedly call you by your first name, as if you see each other at the
> gym every day ? are terrific. There are, unsurprisingly, plenty of vegan
> choices.
> >
> > Television Centre may have originally been designed to be cool, but
> people trying to do their jobs quickly made it just another human
> workplace. My fellow diners were all more smartly dressed than anyone from
> the days of TV production, many of whom were very crumpled indeed.
> >
> > During one of its periodic fits of managerial madness, members of the
> BBC radio newsroom had been frogmarched from central London to work in
> White City and television producers would turn up to work at what optimists
> dubbed ?The Fun Factory?, to discover unmistakable evidence that the
> furniture had been used for sleeping by the radio newsroom night shift.
> > Confining men and women together ? even in a west London wilderness ?
> also inevitably meant that sex occurred, about which there was a strong
> corporate line, since the organisation never got over Lord Reith?s disgust
> at being told a couple of staffers had been found in flagrante on top of a
> desk.
> >
> > ?Firstly,? he said, drawing himself to his full Presbyterian 6ft 6, ?the
> desk must be burned. Secondly that man must never read the Epilogue again.?
> >
> > Both sleep and sex look to be much more comfortable in the beds of the
> hotel, provided in price bands ranging from ?120 for what is advertised as
> a ?Tiny? room, through ?Cosy? and ?Small? rooms (?140 and ?160), to ?Big?
> at ?230. In keeping with the 1950/60s theme, rooms are done out in fluted
> panelling, chandeliers with Bakelite-era shades, retro Trimphones and
> Roberts radios. There are vaporisers in the well-equipped minibar to spray
> vermouth into your Martini. Mad Men?s Don Draper would be quite at home.
> >
> > The sad truth is that Draper is a lot cooler than most of us who worked
> at TVC. The hotel idea is, presumably, to bring some east London cool to
> west London. They have their work cut out, and it will require more than a
> sprinkling of irony.
> >
> > Television production hasn?t vanished entirely from the site ? the BBC
> hung on to three studios there, two of which are rented out for the
> manufacture of programmes for daytime ITV. (In a planning masterstroke,
> London now has a great shortage of space to make TV shows.) The original
> Stage Door area, where you might meet anyone from Les Dawson to the home
> secretary, is now the reception area for the part of the building turned
> into flats. The public lavatory-style tiling inside the doughnut at the
> heart of the question-mark has been cleaned. The statue of Helios, the sun
> god, seems to have been regilded and beneath it is a subterranean gym. A
> rooftop pool offers views over the White City Housing Estate and into the
> walls of the Westfield shopping centre.
> > Estate agents talk of the three most important qualities in a property
> being ?location, location, location? and Television Centre is opposite one
> of the nastiest-looking office blocks in London, which seems to provide
> space to small businesses. In the prevailing mood of irony, a sign boasts
> ?we?re Ugli?.
> >
> > A brochure in the hotel room advertises attractions ?around White City
> House?. They include shops on Portobello Road, which is a mile away,
> restaurants in W10 that are almost two miles away and the Serpentine
> Gallery in Hyde Park (even further). They seemed somewhere over the rainbow
> when I worked there, but maybe geography is only about perception.
> >
> > Jeremy Paxman worked for the BBC from 1972 until 2014, spending much of
> that time at Television Centre. He was a guest of White City House (
> whitecityhouse.com)
> >
> > Financial Times 1/5/2018
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From rogerbunce at btinternet.com  Fri May  4 05:10:07 2018
From: rogerbunce at btinternet.com (ROGER BUNCE)
Date: Fri, 4 May 2018 10:10:07 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tech1] FT Article
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Or indeed, like this, without the Michael Bentine devouring orchid (the comedy hero of my childhood!)
Maybe Mr. Paxman was referring to the white tiling on the walls, rather than the ground design? They do have a certain public loo quality.
Also, slightly disappointed that Paxo seems to prefer the cool smartness of people who just ponce about, over the?inevitable scruffy, down-at-heel quality of people who do useful work. A bit shallow, I thought - but maybe I'm missing some irony.
luv, Rog.




      From: Geoff Fletcher <geoffletch at gmail.com>
 To: Graeme Wall <graeme.wall at icloud.com> 
Cc: ROGER BUNCE <rogerbunce at btinternet.com>; "tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk" <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
 Sent: Thursday, 3 May 2018, 18:55
 Subject: Re: [Tech1] FT Article
   
You mean like this Rog?
Geoff F
On Thu, May 3, 2018 at 3:42 PM, Graeme Wall via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

I see they got the CHAR out of stores!
? 
Graeme Wall





> On 3 May 2018, at 10:52, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Much though I love Paxo - (and Big Linda) - Get Yer Facts Right! 'Bob the Builder' shot at Television Centre?!
> 
> "The public lavatory-style tiling inside the doughnut at the heart of the question-mark has been cleaned." I remember it as cobbles, in two tones, arranged in a circular checkerboard pattern. They've not just been cleaned; they've been dug up and replaced by boring paving slabs.
> 
> And we may have deplored the state of Canteen food, up until the point when they privatised it - then we discovered how good it used to be!
> 
> Meanwhile, this has appeared on Facebook, a pleasant reminder of the days when we shot music with EMI 2001s and well-composed imagery, before the fashion for wobbly whirl-abouts. Watch and wallow in nostalgia! (Did anyone here work on it?)
> 
> luv, Rog.
> 
> Mike Oldfield 'Tubular Bells' Live at the BBC 1973 (high quality / remastered)
> 
> 
>? ? ? ?
> Mike Oldfield 'Tubular Bells' Live at the BBC 1973 (high quality / ...
> High quality remastered live studio performance of Tubular Bells Part 1 for BBC TV '2nd House', filmed o...
> 
> From: Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> To: "tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk" <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> 
> Sent: Wednesday, 2 May 2018, 12:23
> Subject: [Tech1] FT Article
> 
> Thanks to Jackie Shorey, Len's daughter, who is on this list, for pointing out an article by Jeremy Paxman in the Financial Times yesterday. It's behind a paywall, and she kindly did a sharing deal to allow me access. I in my turn have ripped it off for community information purposes - ie so that you too can read it.? ?I think it's vintage Paxman - 
> 
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++
> 
>? ? ?I spent Monday night with Valerie Singleton, Johnny Morris and Bob the Builder. I think we were in what had once been the office of the head of BBC News, although I cannot be certain. The fact that one of my companions is dead and one never existed doesn?t matter (happily, Valerie is still doing interesting things with sticky-backed plastic). They were brought together in a Peter Blake collage hanging in my bedroom at the new White City House hotel, featuring 50-odd faces from programmes that were made here during the building?s previous incarnation, as BBC Television Centre.
> 
> I was, by a long margin, the oldest person staying in the hotel on launch night last week, and frankly, if I couldn?t identify many of the picture?s other faces, younger guests might have taken them for a tribe of Kalahari Bushmen. But that?s the fleeting familiarity of television. Trying to reinvent the old headquarters of BBC Television as a glamorous venue is risky from the start.
> At the time of its opening, in June 1960, the then boss of BBC television had boasted of it as ?the largest, best-equipped and most carefully planned factory of its kind in the world?. That word ?factory? isn?t good. But it is accurate. From the air the place looked like a giant question mark and the building certainly had a revolutionary design, the circular walls allowing trucks and scene shifters access to eight studios. In time the design was imitated across the world.
> 
> But everyone knew that Television Centre had only been built in White City, on London?s western outskirts, because land was cheap: studios require a lot of space, and square-footage was a lot cheaper opposite an Express Dairies depot in outer W12. Much the same considerations had been in play when the area had been chosen as the site of the 1908 London Olympics.
> By the time the Corporation abandoned most of the building, in 2013, it had become pretty shabby. The hugely original design of the 1950s had lost its architectural integrity as bits were built on to it. The whole thing was down-at-heel, with scuff marks and coffee stains all over the floors and a very noticeable rodent problem. In one of its legendarily incompetent property deals, the Corporation announced it was going to abandon the place for ?cheaper? premises at New Broadcasting House in the centre of London. As common sense suggests, they were cheaper because they were very much smaller, with no proper studios. Staff members live out their working lives there in a sort of unhappy aquarium. Some were even told that, as there was no desk for them, they could get WiFi access in local coffee shops. A manager who needs privacy to sack an inadequate producer has to book one of the meeting rooms, named after past TV series. Everyone dreads hearing ?See me in Only Fools and Horses?.
> 
> When the time came to leave White City, many BBC people had felt things could only get better. There would, at last, be somewhere else to shop than Shepherd?s Bush market. There?d be places to eat. There?d be no more grumbling from wannabe Alastair Campbells about ministers having to schlep out to W12 to be harangued. If someone had said the old site would become a venue for expensive apartments and a glammed-up hotel they?d have drawn a belly-laugh.
> 
> But that is what has happened. BBC Television Centre is emerging from a ?1.5bn makeover that developers hope will turn it into a lively new neighbourhood with 950 homes as well as offices, shops, restaurants, bars and a hotel ? the latest outpost of the Soho House group.
> 
> In the days when Television Centre was devoted to television, you could eat in one of three canteens, all of which provided terrible food, but in one of which, favoured by the boss class, you could have it served by a waitress. In the evening, many of us went to the Tea Bar for sandwiches, where Big Linda would dispense dodgy-looking pies, amid much verbal abuse from the gap in her teeth. Then the thing was privatised. Linda refused to be retired, was prised out of her plastic overall into some stupid uniform and the place was renamed The Filling Station. It was universally known as The Killing Station.
> 
> By contrast, the (largely Asian fusion) food at White City House is pretty good. Taiwanese fried chicken and lamb chops with a Korean spice dressing were particularly fine. How Big Linda would have dispensed the bowls of acai berries or wheat-free ricotta pancakes on the breakfast menu boggles the mind. As it was, I chose smashed avocado and poached eggs on sourdough toast for breakfast and was still asked by the very charming waiter whether I had ?any allergies we ought to know about?. The staff ? who repeatedly call you by your first name, as if you see each other at the gym every day ? are terrific. There are, unsurprisingly, plenty of vegan choices.
> 
> Television Centre may have originally been designed to be cool, but people trying to do their jobs quickly made it just another human workplace. My fellow diners were all more smartly dressed than anyone from the days of TV production, many of whom were very crumpled indeed.
> 
> During one of its periodic fits of managerial madness, members of the BBC radio newsroom had been frogmarched from central London to work in White City and television producers would turn up to work at what optimists dubbed ?The Fun Factory?, to discover unmistakable evidence that the furniture had been used for sleeping by the radio newsroom night shift.
> Confining men and women together ? even in a west London wilderness ? also inevitably meant that sex occurred, about which there was a strong corporate line, since the organisation never got over Lord Reith?s disgust at being told a couple of staffers had been found in flagrante on top of a desk.
> 
> ?Firstly,? he said, drawing himself to his full Presbyterian 6ft 6, ?the desk must be burned. Secondly that man must never read the Epilogue again.?
> 
> Both sleep and sex look to be much more comfortable in the beds of the hotel, provided in price bands ranging from ?120 for what is advertised as a ?Tiny? room, through ?Cosy? and ?Small? rooms (?140 and ?160), to ?Big? at ?230. In keeping with the 1950/60s theme, rooms are done out in fluted panelling, chandeliers with Bakelite-era shades, retro Trimphones and Roberts radios. There are vaporisers in the well-equipped minibar to spray vermouth into your Martini. Mad Men?s Don Draper would be quite at home.
> 
> The sad truth is that Draper is a lot cooler than most of us who worked at TVC. The hotel idea is, presumably, to bring some east London cool to west London. They have their work cut out, and it will require more than a sprinkling of irony.
> 
> Television production hasn?t vanished entirely from the site ? the BBC hung on to three studios there, two of which are rented out for the manufacture of programmes for daytime ITV. (In a planning masterstroke, London now has a great shortage of space to make TV shows.) The original Stage Door area, where you might meet anyone from Les Dawson to the home secretary, is now the reception area for the part of the building turned into flats. The public lavatory-style tiling inside the doughnut at the heart of the question-mark has been cleaned. The statue of Helios, the sun god, seems to have been regilded and beneath it is a subterranean gym. A rooftop pool offers views over the White City Housing Estate and into the walls of the Westfield shopping centre.
> Estate agents talk of the three most important qualities in a property being ?location, location, location? and Television Centre is opposite one of the nastiest-looking office blocks in London, which seems to provide space to small businesses. In the prevailing mood of irony, a sign boasts ?we?re Ugli?.
> 
> A brochure in the hotel room advertises attractions ?around White City House?. They include shops on Portobello Road, which is a mile away, restaurants in W10 that are almost two miles away and the Serpentine Gallery in Hyde Park (even further). They seemed somewhere over the rainbow when I worked there, but maybe geography is only about perception.
> 
> Jeremy Paxman worked for the BBC from 1972 until 2014, spending much of that time at Television Centre. He was a guest of White City House (whitecityhouse.com)
> 
> Financial Times 1/5/2018
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From pat.heigham at btinternet.com  Fri May  4 06:22:59 2018
From: pat.heigham at btinternet.com (patheigham)
Date: Fri, 4 May 2018 12:22:59 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] FT Article
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Oh! Rog, stop denigrating us!
In my day (the 60's) we always turned up in collar & tie, tweed jackets
in winter, blazers in summer - and looked smart!
See the clip from LNLU about Z-Cars that was posted recently.

To this day, I never wore jeans to work.
Freelancing, one never knew quite what the day would bring, it could be
interviewing a CEO of some high powered company, or filming an
event at which Royals might be present, thus smart apparel was
necessary. One production paid to hire DJ's for the crew.
Alternatively, it could be a story about pig farming,
(yes, I had that!) so appropriate garb was needed.

Are you admitting to being scruffy and down-at-heel?
(Just kidding!)

Pat
P.S. Mike Bentine was chastised for firing TVC into space as
a satellite craft, leading to a famous memo that: "The Television
Centre is not to be used for entertainment"
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  Or indeed, like this, without the Michael Bentine devouring orchid (the comedy hero of my childhood!)


  Also, slightly disappointed that Paxo seems to prefer the cool smartness of people who just ponce about, over the inevitable scruffy, down-at-heel quality of people who do useful work. 

  luv, Rog.

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From dave at davesound.co.uk  Fri May  4 07:49:08 2018
From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman)
Date: Fri, 04 May 2018 13:49:08 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] FT Article
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In article <D46BDFEA4DDA469783569DC9E9BE62D8 at PATRICKSONY>,
   patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> To this day, I never wore jeans to work.
> Freelancing, one never knew quite what the day would bring, it could be
> interviewing a CEO of some high powered company, or filming an
> event at which Royals might be present, thus smart apparel was
> necessary.

Of course turning up dressed as middle management might well put many off.
Especially for a job which can sometimes be quite physical. ;-)

-- 
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From waresound at msn.com  Fri May  4 08:11:07 2018
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Fri, 4 May 2018 13:11:07 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] FT Article
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I think he was referring to the green tiles on the first floor level ring. I once did an Antiques Roadshow from a Victorian baths in Manchester, where I?m sure the gents toilets were tiled pretty much like that. Probably passes for shabby-chique nowadays in posh circles.

I thought you?d like to see this coffee machine on 21st floor of the Walkie-talkie building in the City. Best wasted use for an iPad I?ve seen yet, though of course, it doesn?t necessarily have to dispense what it says on the buttons! (Forgive me if I?ve posted it here before - I have ?shared? it around a bit, such was my amusement).

Cheers,
Nick.
[image1.jpeg]

Sent from my iPad

On 4 May 2018, at 11:11, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk<mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:

Or indeed, like this, without the Michael Bentine devouring orchid (the comedy hero of my childhood!)

Maybe Mr. Paxman was referring to the white tiling on the walls, rather than the ground design? They do have a certain public loo quality.

Also, slightly disappointed that Paxo seems to prefer the cool smartness of people who just ponce about, over the inevitable scruffy, down-at-heel quality of people who do useful work. A bit shallow, I thought - but maybe I'm missing some irony.

luv, Rog.

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From: Geoff Fletcher <geoffletch at gmail.com<mailto:geoffletch at gmail.com>>
To: Graeme Wall <graeme.wall at icloud.com<mailto:graeme.wall at icloud.com>>
Cc: ROGER BUNCE <rogerbunce at btinternet.com<mailto:rogerbunce at btinternet.com>>; "tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk<mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>" <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk<mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>>
Sent: Thursday, 3 May 2018, 18:55
Subject: Re: [Tech1] FT Article

You mean like this Rog?

Geoff F

On Thu, May 3, 2018 at 3:42 PM, Graeme Wall via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk<mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:
I see they got the CHAR out of stores!
?
Graeme Wall





> On 3 May 2018, at 10:52, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk<mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:
>
> Much though I love Paxo - (and Big Linda) - Get Yer Facts Right! 'Bob the Builder' shot at Television Centre?!
>
> "The public lavatory-style tiling inside the doughnut at the heart of the question-mark has been cleaned." I remember it as cobbles, in two tones, arranged in a circular checkerboard pattern. They've not just been cleaned; they've been dug up and replaced by boring paving slabs.
>
> And we may have deplored the state of Canteen food, up until the point when they privatised it - then we discovered how good it used to be!
>
> Meanwhile, this has appeared on Facebook, a pleasant reminder of the days when we shot music with EMI 2001s and well-composed imagery, before the fashion for wobbly whirl-abouts. Watch and wallow in nostalgia! (Did anyone here work on it?)
>
> luv, Rog.
>
> Mike Oldfield 'Tubular Bells' Live at the BBC 1973 (high quality / remastered)
>
>
>
> Mike Oldfield 'Tubular Bells' Live at the BBC 1973 (high quality / ...
> High quality remastered live studio performance of Tubular Bells Part 1 for BBC TV '2nd House', filmed o...
>
> From: Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk<mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>>
> To: "tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk<mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>" <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk<mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>>
> Sent: Wednesday, 2 May 2018, 12:23
> Subject: [Tech1] FT Article
>
> Thanks to Jackie Shorey, Len's daughter, who is on this list, for pointing out an article by Jeremy Paxman in the Financial Times yesterday. It's behind a paywall, and she kindly did a sharing deal to allow me access. I in my turn have ripped it off for community information purposes - ie so that you too can read it.   I think it's vintage Paxman -
>
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++
>
>     I spent Monday night with Valerie Singleton, Johnny Morris and Bob the Builder. I think we were in what had once been the office of the head of BBC News, although I cannot be certain. The fact that one of my companions is dead and one never existed doesn?t matter (happily, Valerie is still doing interesting things with sticky-backed plastic). They were brought together in a Peter Blake collage hanging in my bedroom at the new White City House hotel, featuring 50-odd faces from programmes that were made here during the building?s previous incarnation, as BBC Television Centre.
>
> I was, by a long margin, the oldest person staying in the hotel on launch night last week, and frankly, if I couldn?t identify many of the picture?s other faces, younger guests might have taken them for a tribe of Kalahari Bushmen. But that?s the fleeting familiarity of television. Trying to reinvent the old headquarters of BBC Television as a glamorous venue is risky from the start.
> At the time of its opening, in June 1960, the then boss of BBC television had boasted of it as ?the largest, best-equipped and most carefully planned factory of its kind in the world?. That word ?factory? isn?t good. But it is accurate. From the air the place looked like a giant question mark and the building certainly had a revolutionary design, the circular walls allowing trucks and scene shifters access to eight studios. In time the design was imitated across the world.
>
> But everyone knew that Television Centre had only been built in White City, on London?s western outskirts, because land was cheap: studios require a lot of space, and square-footage was a lot cheaper opposite an Express Dairies depot in outer W12. Much the same considerations had been in play when the area had been chosen as the site of the 1908 London Olympics.
> By the time the Corporation abandoned most of the building, in 2013, it had become pretty shabby. The hugely original design of the 1950s had lost its architectural integrity as bits were built on to it. The whole thing was down-at-heel, with scuff marks and coffee stains all over the floors and a very noticeable rodent problem. In one of its legendarily incompetent property deals, the Corporation announced it was going to abandon the place for ?cheaper? premises at New Broadcasting House in the centre of London. As common sense suggests, they were cheaper because they were very much smaller, with no proper studios. Staff members live out their working lives there in a sort of unhappy aquarium. Some were even told that, as there was no desk for them, they could get WiFi access in local coffee shops. A manager who needs privacy to sack an inadequate producer has to book one of the meeting rooms, named after past TV series. Everyone dreads hearing ?See me in Only Fools and Horses?.
>
> When the time came to leave White City, many BBC people had felt things could only get better. There would, at last, be somewhere else to shop than Shepherd?s Bush market. There?d be places to eat. There?d be no more grumbling from wannabe Alastair Campbells about ministers having to schlep out to W12 to be harangued. If someone had said the old site would become a venue for expensive apartments and a glammed-up hotel they?d have drawn a belly-laugh.
>
> But that is what has happened. BBC Television Centre is emerging from a ?1.5bn makeover that developers hope will turn it into a lively new neighbourhood with 950 homes as well as offices, shops, restaurants, bars and a hotel ? the latest outpost of the Soho House group.
>
> In the days when Television Centre was devoted to television, you could eat in one of three canteens, all of which provided terrible food, but in one of which, favoured by the boss class, you could have it served by a waitress. In the evening, many of us went to the Tea Bar for sandwiches, where Big Linda would dispense dodgy-looking pies, amid much verbal abuse from the gap in her teeth. Then the thing was privatised. Linda refused to be retired, was prised out of her plastic overall into some stupid uniform and the place was renamed The Filling Station. It was universally known as The Killing Station.
>
> By contrast, the (largely Asian fusion) food at White City House is pretty good. Taiwanese fried chicken and lamb chops with a Korean spice dressing were particularly fine. How Big Linda would have dispensed the bowls of acai berries or wheat-free ricotta pancakes on the breakfast menu boggles the mind. As it was, I chose smashed avocado and poached eggs on sourdough toast for breakfast and was still asked by the very charming waiter whether I had ?any allergies we ought to know about?. The staff ? who repeatedly call you by your first name, as if you see each other at the gym every day ? are terrific. There are, unsurprisingly, plenty of vegan choices.
>
> Television Centre may have originally been designed to be cool, but people trying to do their jobs quickly made it just another human workplace. My fellow diners were all more smartly dressed than anyone from the days of TV production, many of whom were very crumpled indeed.
>
> During one of its periodic fits of managerial madness, members of the BBC radio newsroom had been frogmarched from central London to work in White City and television producers would turn up to work at what optimists dubbed ?The Fun Factory?, to discover unmistakable evidence that the furniture had been used for sleeping by the radio newsroom night shift.
> Confining men and women together ? even in a west London wilderness ? also inevitably meant that sex occurred, about which there was a strong corporate line, since the organisation never got over Lord Reith?s disgust at being told a couple of staffers had been found in flagrante on top of a desk.
>
> ?Firstly,? he said, drawing himself to his full Presbyterian 6ft 6, ?the desk must be burned. Secondly that man must never read the Epilogue again.?
>
> Both sleep and sex look to be much more comfortable in the beds of the hotel, provided in price bands ranging from ?120 for what is advertised as a ?Tiny? room, through ?Cosy? and ?Small? rooms (?140 and ?160), to ?Big? at ?230. In keeping with the 1950/60s theme, rooms are done out in fluted panelling, chandeliers with Bakelite-era shades, retro Trimphones and Roberts radios. There are vaporisers in the well-equipped minibar to spray vermouth into your Martini. Mad Men?s Don Draper would be quite at home.
>
> The sad truth is that Draper is a lot cooler than most of us who worked at TVC. The hotel idea is, presumably, to bring some east London cool to west London. They have their work cut out, and it will require more than a sprinkling of irony.
>
> Television production hasn?t vanished entirely from the site ? the BBC hung on to three studios there, two of which are rented out for the manufacture of programmes for daytime ITV. (In a planning masterstroke, London now has a great shortage of space to make TV shows.) The original Stage Door area, where you might meet anyone from Les Dawson to the home secretary, is now the reception area for the part of the building turned into flats. The public lavatory-style tiling inside the doughnut at the heart of the question-mark has been cleaned. The statue of Helios, the sun god, seems to have been regilded and beneath it is a subterranean gym. A rooftop pool offers views over the White City Housing Estate and into the walls of the Westfield shopping centre.
> Estate agents talk of the three most important qualities in a property being ?location, location, location? and Television Centre is opposite one of the nastiest-looking office blocks in London, which seems to provide space to small businesses. In the prevailing mood of irony, a sign boasts ?we?re Ugli?.
>
> A brochure in the hotel room advertises attractions ?around White City House?. They include shops on Portobello Road, which is a mile away, restaurants in W10 that are almost two miles away and the Serpentine Gallery in Hyde Park (even further). They seemed somewhere over the rainbow when I worked there, but maybe geography is only about perception.
>
> Jeremy Paxman worked for the BBC from 1972 until 2014, spending much of that time at Television Centre. He was a guest of White City House (whitecityhouse.com<http://whitecityhouse.com/>)
>
> Financial Times 1/5/2018
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From Waresound at msn.com  Fri May  4 11:23:23 2018
From: Waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Fri, 4 May 2018 16:23:23 +0000
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It wasn?t me. I wasn?t able to make it to the IPS-organised visit, and haven?t been there yet. But I would love to read the report, whoever it was written by.
Cheers,
Nick.
Sent from my iPad

On 4 May 2018, at 15:56, Loiz Bale <loizbale at gmail.com<mailto:loizbale at gmail.com>> wrote:

Dear Nick please forgive us
Poking our nose in! Just to say how fascinating it was to read your report of your visit to revamped tv centre. Stan Bale my husband was on duty as a cameraman in a programme billed First Night on June 29 1960 from TVCentre and we enjoyed drinking in club at this time . Thanks again
Stan and Loiz Bale
Sent from my iPhone

On 4 May 2018, at 14:11, Nick Ware via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk<mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:

I think he was referring to the green tiles on the first floor level ring. I once did an Antiques Roadshow from a Victorian baths in Manchester, where I?m sure the gents toilets were tiled pretty much like that. Probably passes for shabby-chique nowadays in posh circles.

I thought you?d like to see this coffee machine on 21st floor of the Walkie-talkie building in the City. Best wasted use for an iPad I?ve seen yet, though of course, it doesn?t necessarily have to dispense what it says on the buttons! (Forgive me if I?ve posted it here before - I have ?shared? it around a bit, such was my amusement).

Cheers,
Nick.
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Sent from my iPad

On 4 May 2018, at 11:11, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk<mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:

Or indeed, like this, without the Michael Bentine devouring orchid (the comedy hero of my childhood!)

Maybe Mr. Paxman was referring to the white tiling on the walls, rather than the ground design? They do have a certain public loo quality.

Also, slightly disappointed that Paxo seems to prefer the cool smartness of people who just ponce about, over the inevitable scruffy, down-at-heel quality of people who do useful work. A bit shallow, I thought - but maybe I'm missing some irony.

luv, Rog.

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To: Graeme Wall <graeme.wall at icloud.com<mailto:graeme.wall at icloud.com>>
Cc: ROGER BUNCE <rogerbunce at btinternet.com<mailto:rogerbunce at btinternet.com>>; "tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk<mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>" <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk<mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>>
Sent: Thursday, 3 May 2018, 18:55
Subject: Re: [Tech1] FT Article

You mean like this Rog?

Geoff F

On Thu, May 3, 2018 at 3:42 PM, Graeme Wall via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk<mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:
I see they got the CHAR out of stores!
?
Graeme Wall





> On 3 May 2018, at 10:52, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk<mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:
>
> Much though I love Paxo - (and Big Linda) - Get Yer Facts Right! 'Bob the Builder' shot at Television Centre?!
>
> "The public lavatory-style tiling inside the doughnut at the heart of the question-mark has been cleaned." I remember it as cobbles, in two tones, arranged in a circular checkerboard pattern. They've not just been cleaned; they've been dug up and replaced by boring paving slabs.
>
> And we may have deplored the state of Canteen food, up until the point when they privatised it - then we discovered how good it used to be!
>
> Meanwhile, this has appeared on Facebook, a pleasant reminder of the days when we shot music with EMI 2001s and well-composed imagery, before the fashion for wobbly whirl-abouts. Watch and wallow in nostalgia! (Did anyone here work on it?)
>
> luv, Rog.
>
> Mike Oldfield 'Tubular Bells' Live at the BBC 1973 (high quality / remastered)
>
>
>
> Mike Oldfield 'Tubular Bells' Live at the BBC 1973 (high quality / ...
> High quality remastered live studio performance of Tubular Bells Part 1 for BBC TV '2nd House', filmed o...
>
> From: Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk<mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>>
> To: "tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk<mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>" <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk<mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>>
> Sent: Wednesday, 2 May 2018, 12:23
> Subject: [Tech1] FT Article
>
> Thanks to Jackie Shorey, Len's daughter, who is on this list, for pointing out an article by Jeremy Paxman in the Financial Times yesterday. It's behind a paywall, and she kindly did a sharing deal to allow me access. I in my turn have ripped it off for community information purposes - ie so that you too can read it.   I think it's vintage Paxman -
>
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++
>
>     I spent Monday night with Valerie Singleton, Johnny Morris and Bob the Builder. I think we were in what had once been the office of the head of BBC News, although I cannot be certain. The fact that one of my companions is dead and one never existed doesn?t matter (happily, Valerie is still doing interesting things with sticky-backed plastic). They were brought together in a Peter Blake collage hanging in my bedroom at the new White City House hotel, featuring 50-odd faces from programmes that were made here during the building?s previous incarnation, as BBC Television Centre.
>
> I was, by a long margin, the oldest person staying in the hotel on launch night last week, and frankly, if I couldn?t identify many of the picture?s other faces, younger guests might have taken them for a tribe of Kalahari Bushmen. But that?s the fleeting familiarity of television. Trying to reinvent the old headquarters of BBC Television as a glamorous venue is risky from the start.
> At the time of its opening, in June 1960, the then boss of BBC television had boasted of it as ?the largest, best-equipped and most carefully planned factory of its kind in the world?. That word ?factory? isn?t good. But it is accurate. From the air the place looked like a giant question mark and the building certainly had a revolutionary design, the circular walls allowing trucks and scene shifters access to eight studios. In time the design was imitated across the world.
>
> But everyone knew that Television Centre had only been built in White City, on London?s western outskirts, because land was cheap: studios require a lot of space, and square-footage was a lot cheaper opposite an Express Dairies depot in outer W12. Much the same considerations had been in play when the area had been chosen as the site of the 1908 London Olympics.
> By the time the Corporation abandoned most of the building, in 2013, it had become pretty shabby. The hugely original design of the 1950s had lost its architectural integrity as bits were built on to it. The whole thing was down-at-heel, with scuff marks and coffee stains all over the floors and a very noticeable rodent problem. In one of its legendarily incompetent property deals, the Corporation announced it was going to abandon the place for ?cheaper? premises at New Broadcasting House in the centre of London. As common sense suggests, they were cheaper because they were very much smaller, with no proper studios. Staff members live out their working lives there in a sort of unhappy aquarium. Some were even told that, as there was no desk for them, they could get WiFi access in local coffee shops. A manager who needs privacy to sack an inadequate producer has to book one of the meeting rooms, named after past TV series. Everyone dreads hearing ?See me in Only Fools and Horses?.
>
> When the time came to leave White City, many BBC people had felt things could only get better. There would, at last, be somewhere else to shop than Shepherd?s Bush market. There?d be places to eat. There?d be no more grumbling from wannabe Alastair Campbells about ministers having to schlep out to W12 to be harangued. If someone had said the old site would become a venue for expensive apartments and a glammed-up hotel they?d have drawn a belly-laugh.
>
> But that is what has happened. BBC Television Centre is emerging from a ?1.5bn makeover that developers hope will turn it into a lively new neighbourhood with 950 homes as well as offices, shops, restaurants, bars and a hotel ? the latest outpost of the Soho House group.
>
> In the days when Television Centre was devoted to television, you could eat in one of three canteens, all of which provided terrible food, but in one of which, favoured by the boss class, you could have it served by a waitress. In the evening, many of us went to the Tea Bar for sandwiches, where Big Linda would dispense dodgy-looking pies, amid much verbal abuse from the gap in her teeth. Then the thing was privatised. Linda refused to be retired, was prised out of her plastic overall into some stupid uniform and the place was renamed The Filling Station. It was universally known as The Killing Station.
>
> By contrast, the (largely Asian fusion) food at White City House is pretty good. Taiwanese fried chicken and lamb chops with a Korean spice dressing were particularly fine. How Big Linda would have dispensed the bowls of acai berries or wheat-free ricotta pancakes on the breakfast menu boggles the mind. As it was, I chose smashed avocado and poached eggs on sourdough toast for breakfast and was still asked by the very charming waiter whether I had ?any allergies we ought to know about?. The staff ? who repeatedly call you by your first name, as if you see each other at the gym every day ? are terrific. There are, unsurprisingly, plenty of vegan choices.
>
> Television Centre may have originally been designed to be cool, but people trying to do their jobs quickly made it just another human workplace. My fellow diners were all more smartly dressed than anyone from the days of TV production, many of whom were very crumpled indeed.
>
> During one of its periodic fits of managerial madness, members of the BBC radio newsroom had been frogmarched from central London to work in White City and television producers would turn up to work at what optimists dubbed ?The Fun Factory?, to discover unmistakable evidence that the furniture had been used for sleeping by the radio newsroom night shift.
> Confining men and women together ? even in a west London wilderness ? also inevitably meant that sex occurred, about which there was a strong corporate line, since the organisation never got over Lord Reith?s disgust at being told a couple of staffers had been found in flagrante on top of a desk.
>
> ?Firstly,? he said, drawing himself to his full Presbyterian 6ft 6, ?the desk must be burned. Secondly that man must never read the Epilogue again.?
>
> Both sleep and sex look to be much more comfortable in the beds of the hotel, provided in price bands ranging from ?120 for what is advertised as a ?Tiny? room, through ?Cosy? and ?Small? rooms (?140 and ?160), to ?Big? at ?230. In keeping with the 1950/60s theme, rooms are done out in fluted panelling, chandeliers with Bakelite-era shades, retro Trimphones and Roberts radios. There are vaporisers in the well-equipped minibar to spray vermouth into your Martini. Mad Men?s Don Draper would be quite at home.
>
> The sad truth is that Draper is a lot cooler than most of us who worked at TVC. The hotel idea is, presumably, to bring some east London cool to west London. They have their work cut out, and it will require more than a sprinkling of irony.
>
> Television production hasn?t vanished entirely from the site ? the BBC hung on to three studios there, two of which are rented out for the manufacture of programmes for daytime ITV. (In a planning masterstroke, London now has a great shortage of space to make TV shows.) The original Stage Door area, where you might meet anyone from Les Dawson to the home secretary, is now the reception area for the part of the building turned into flats. The public lavatory-style tiling inside the doughnut at the heart of the question-mark has been cleaned. The statue of Helios, the sun god, seems to have been regilded and beneath it is a subterranean gym. A rooftop pool offers views over the White City Housing Estate and into the walls of the Westfield shopping centre.
> Estate agents talk of the three most important qualities in a property being ?location, location, location? and Television Centre is opposite one of the nastiest-looking office blocks in London, which seems to provide space to small businesses. In the prevailing mood of irony, a sign boasts ?we?re Ugli?.
>
> A brochure in the hotel room advertises attractions ?around White City House?. They include shops on Portobello Road, which is a mile away, restaurants in W10 that are almost two miles away and the Serpentine Gallery in Hyde Park (even further). They seemed somewhere over the rainbow when I worked there, but maybe geography is only about perception.
>
> Jeremy Paxman worked for the BBC from 1972 until 2014, spending much of that time at Television Centre. He was a guest of White City House (whitecityhouse.com<http://whitecityhouse.com/>)
>
> Financial Times 1/5/2018
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From rogerbunce at btinternet.com  Sat May  5 03:34:57 2018
From: rogerbunce at btinternet.com (ROGER BUNCE)
Date: Sat, 5 May 2018 08:34:57 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tech1] FT Article
References: <153643527.7108652.1525509297747.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <153643527.7108652.1525509297747@mail.yahoo.com>

Dear Geoff,
I think they?avoided calling it a Triffid (although, if anyone has the clip, I'd love to be corrected). That thing ate people whole, rather than just stinging them. There may still have copyright problems with the word "triffid", before it became generic.

Dear Nick,
The?green/blue bit on the inside of TV Centre circle is mosaic, not tiles. (No. I don't know how big a tessalla has to be before it becomes a tile!) But I think Paxo was talking the big white ones.
Dear Pat and Dave,
True, we workers once affected a 'Smart Casual' style. But I don't believe that any of us ever turned up for work looking as awful?as Middle Management! Polyester suits? Yuk!

and Dear Pat, P.S.
Tom Sloane's "TV Centre not to be used for purposes of entertainment" memo referred to an occasion when the building was being attacked by Red Indians (or "Native Americans", as we should now called them) - inspired by Michael Bentine's observation that the studios were arranged in a circle, like a wagon train when under attack. They used burning arrows, one of which singed a brick, hence the managerial annoyance. (I wonder if that brick is still there? It should have a plaque on it.)
luv, Rog.


      From: Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
 To: Tech-OpsMailing List <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> 
 Sent: Friday, 4 May 2018, 14:00
 Subject: Re: [Tech1] FT Article
  
In article <D46BDFEA4DDA469783569DC9E9BE62D8 at PATRICKSONY>,
? patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> To this day, I never wore jeans to work.
> Freelancing, one never knew quite what the day would bring, it could be
> interviewing a CEO of some high powered company, or filming an
> event at which Royals might be present, thus smart apparel was
> necessary.

Of course turning up dressed as middle management might well put many off.
Especially for a job which can sometimes be quite physical. ;-)

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From geoffletch at gmail.com  Sat May  5 16:46:42 2018
From: geoffletch at gmail.com (Geoff Fletcher)
Date: Sat, 05 May 2018 21:46:42 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] FT Article
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Ah well Rog - you live and learn. I always thought it was a triffid  ?cos
it looked like how I imagined them from John Wyndham?s novel.
Geoff F.

On Sat, 5 May 2018 at 09:38, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
wrote:

> Dear Geoff,
>
> I think they avoided calling it a Triffid (although, if anyone has the
> clip, I'd love to be corrected). That thing ate people whole, rather than
> just stinging them. There may still have copyright problems with the word
> "triffid", before it became generic.
>
> Dear Nick,
>
> The green/blue bit on the inside of TV Centre circle is mosaic, not
> tiles. (No. I don't know how big a tessalla has to be before it becomes a
> tile!) But I think Paxo was talking the big white ones.
>
> Dear Pat and Dave,
>
> True, we workers once affected a 'Smart Casual' style. But I don't believe
> that any of us ever turned up for work looking as awful as Middle
> Management! Polyester suits? Yuk!
>
> and Dear Pat, P.S.
>
> Tom Sloane's "TV Centre not to be used for purposes of entertainment" memo
> referred to an occasion when the building was being attacked by Red Indians
> (or "Native Americans", as we should now called them) - inspired by Michael
> Bentine's observation that the studios were arranged in a circle, like a
> wagon train when under attack. They used burning arrows, one of which
> singed a brick, hence the managerial annoyance. (I wonder if that brick is
> still there? It should have a plaque on it.)
>
> luv, Rog.
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> *To:* Tech-OpsMailing List <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> *Sent:* Friday, 4 May 2018, 14:00
>
> *Subject:* Re: [Tech1] FT Article
> In article <D46BDFEA4DDA469783569DC9E9BE62D8 at PATRICKSONY>,
>
>   patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> > To this day, I never wore jeans to work.
> > Freelancing, one never knew quite what the day would bring, it could be
> > interviewing a CEO of some high powered company, or filming an
> > event at which Royals might be present, thus smart apparel was
> > necessary.
>
>
> Of course turning up dressed as middle management might well put many off.
> Especially for a job which can sometimes be quite physical. ;-)
>
> --
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>
>     Dave Plowman    dave at davesound.co.uk    London SW 12
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From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com  Sun May  6 04:40:35 2018
From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray)
Date: Sun, 6 May 2018 10:40:35 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Badminton - Drones
Message-ID: <76e068e0-26d4-769f-636f-659561ada637@gmail.com>

Hi,

I watched quite a bit of the Badminton Horse Trials Cross Country 
yesterday - I had got quite enough heat from working in the garden 
earlier in the day!

I was very impressed by the use of drones.? The pictures were absolutely 
rock steady (much much more stable that the old heli-telly (oops, 
sorry!)) and full broadcast quality.: it was quite difficult on some 
shots to tell if it was a fixed (crane mounted) camera or a drone shot.

IMHO, the best use of the drone was tracking the riders coming along the 
lakeside, approaching the first jump into the lake, then along along in 
front of the hospitality tents, to the approach to the main lake jumps.

Unfortunately (?), the lakeside (query) ped-mounted manual camera was on 
the opposite side (flank) of the horse to the drone camera, but as the 
cut was usually made as the horse turned into the first jump, it did not 
jar.

 From a couple of shots, it looked like a fixed camera was remotely 
operated: for instance, there was a camera in Huntsman Hollow following 
the horses through three jumps in sequence.? If a horse ran out at the 
second jump, the camera did a strange manoeuvre - panned down, then 
around some 180 degrees, then panned up to find the horse - a very 
tricky bit of business for a physically manned the camera at the site!

All in all, I thought that the presentation was very good - except for a 
re-occurring shot panning round following the horses through the tress, 
where all you could see were the trees!

Mind you, wide screen TV? posed a problem for the off-the-horse 
interviews!? Clearly the cameraman did not want to have a dirty OS shot, 
but with an MCU there was a lot of space around the subject.

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Alec

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From graeme.wall at icloud.com  Sun May  6 05:36:25 2018
From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall)
Date: Sun, 06 May 2018 11:36:25 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Badminton - Drones
In-Reply-To: <76e068e0-26d4-769f-636f-659561ada637@gmail.com>
References: <76e068e0-26d4-769f-636f-659561ada637@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6AEAF6F3-B2E0-4FED-A162-236739094A81@icloud.com>

Surprised they use drones near horses, they tend to be quite noisy.
? 
Graeme Wall





> On 6 May 2018, at 10:40, Alec Bray via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I watched quite a bit of the Badminton Horse Trials Cross Country yesterday - I had got quite enough heat from working in the garden earlier in the day!
> 
> I was very impressed by the use of drones.  The pictures were absolutely rock steady (much much more stable that the old heli-telly (oops, sorry!)) and full broadcast quality.: it was quite difficult on some shots to tell if it was a fixed (crane mounted) camera or a drone shot.
> 
> IMHO, the best use of the drone was tracking the riders coming along the lakeside, approaching the first jump into the lake, then along along in front of the hospitality tents, to the approach to the main lake jumps.
> 
> Unfortunately (?), the lakeside (query) ped-mounted manual camera was on the opposite side (flank) of the horse to the drone camera, but as the cut was usually made as the horse turned into the first jump, it did not jar.
> 
> From a couple of shots, it looked like a fixed camera was remotely operated: for instance, there was a camera in Huntsman Hollow following the horses through three jumps in sequence.  If a horse ran out at the second jump, the camera did a strange manoeuvre - panned down, then around some 180 degrees, then panned up to find the horse - a very tricky bit of business for a physically manned the camera at the site!
> 
> All in all, I thought that the presentation was very good - except for a re-occurring shot panning round following the horses through the tress, where all you could see were the trees!
> 
> Mind you, wide screen TV  posed a problem for the off-the-horse interviews!  Clearly the cameraman did not want to have a dirty OS shot, but with an MCU there was a lot of space around the subject.
> 
> -- 
> 
> Best Regards
> 
> Alec
> 
> Alec Bray
> 
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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Mon May  7 05:10:41 2018
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Mon, 07 May 2018 10:10:41 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: [#NPF-441-58694]: Wordpress
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Not sure what this means, but the list might or might not work better than
it has been lately

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Hello,

Thank you for contacting Site5 Support.

I could see that MX record for the domain tech-ops.co.uk was not added. I
have added it now, please check email issue after 4-6 hours as it requires
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From colin at colinhassell.com  Mon May  7 05:38:38 2018
From: colin at colinhassell.com (Colin Hassell)
Date: Mon, 7 May 2018 11:38:38 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] [#NPF-441-58694]: Wordpress
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	<CAA7MLyHnVs4ROcqNRh0UK-Cu3s4vEDzta4ikmEx5vrsFa2s74Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2156C3DD-E6CE-47F4-9999-B0B4ED731C30@colinhassell.com>

Hi Bernie

Yes, looks like it?s working better already - this is the first message I?ve received from the List since 22-March.


Thanks for the good work.

Colin Hassell
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> On 7 May 2018, at 11:10, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Not sure what this means, but the list might or might not work better than it has been lately
> 
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> Subject: [#NPF-441-58694]: Wordpress
> To: <bernie833 at gmail.com <mailto:bernie833 at gmail.com>>
> 
> 
> Hello,
> 
> Thank you for contacting Site5 Support.
> 
> I could see that MX record for the domain tech-ops.co.uk <http://tech-ops.co.uk/> was not added. I have added it now, please check email issue after 4-6 hours as it requires a propagation time.
> 
> If you have any further questions, please feel free to contact us. We are available 24?7.
> 
> Thank you,
> 
> 
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From martin at theeccles.uk  Mon May  7 06:12:26 2018
From: martin at theeccles.uk (Martin Eccles)
Date: Mon, 7 May 2018 12:12:26 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] [#NPF-441-58694]: Wordpress
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References: <b8934a6340b763ef89f6d69b778be287@help.site5.com>	<CAA7MLyHnVs4ROcqNRh0UK-Cu3s4vEDzta4ikmEx5vrsFa2s74Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<2156C3DD-E6CE-47F4-9999-B0B4ED731C30@colinhassell.com>
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Hi Bernie,

Thank you for fixing the system.

I too have just had my first email since the 22nd March.

 

Great stuff,

Martin.

 

From: Tech1 <tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk> On Behalf Of Colin Hassell via Tech1
Sent: 07 May 2018 11:39
To: Bernard Newnham <bernie833 at gmail.com>
Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Tech1] [#NPF-441-58694]: Wordpress

 

Hi Bernie

 

Yes, looks like it?s working better already - this is the first message I?ve received from the List since 22-March.

 

 

Thanks for the good work.

 

Colin Hassell

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On 7 May 2018, at 11:10, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

 

Not sure what this means, but the list might or might not work better than it has been lately

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From geoffletch at gmail.com  Mon May  7 06:38:38 2018
From: geoffletch at gmail.com (Geoff Fletcher)
Date: Mon, 7 May 2018 12:38:38 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Badminton - Drones
In-Reply-To: <6AEAF6F3-B2E0-4FED-A162-236739094A81@icloud.com>
References: <76e068e0-26d4-769f-636f-659561ada637@gmail.com>
	<6AEAF6F3-B2E0-4FED-A162-236739094A81@icloud.com>
Message-ID: <CAB99AB-+=E9T+S1dBTz7Hg+xQUxd_u+PwX3ZeSS6UgeeVTcTpg@mail.gmail.com>

Oh I wouldn't say that Graham - horses are are normally quite quiet.

Geoff F

On Sun, May 6, 2018 at 11:36 AM, Graeme Wall via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> wrote:

> Surprised they use drones near horses, they tend to be quite noisy.
> ?
> Graeme Wall
>
>
>
>
>
> > On 6 May 2018, at 10:40, Alec Bray via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > I watched quite a bit of the Badminton Horse Trials Cross Country
> yesterday - I had got quite enough heat from working in the garden earlier
> in the day!
> >
> > I was very impressed by the use of drones.  The pictures were absolutely
> rock steady (much much more stable that the old heli-telly (oops, sorry!))
> and full broadcast quality.: it was quite difficult on some shots to tell
> if it was a fixed (crane mounted) camera or a drone shot.
> >
> > IMHO, the best use of the drone was tracking the riders coming along the
> lakeside, approaching the first jump into the lake, then along along in
> front of the hospitality tents, to the approach to the main lake jumps.
> >
> > Unfortunately (?), the lakeside (query) ped-mounted manual camera was on
> the opposite side (flank) of the horse to the drone camera, but as the cut
> was usually made as the horse turned into the first jump, it did not jar.
> >
> > From a couple of shots, it looked like a fixed camera was remotely
> operated: for instance, there was a camera in Huntsman Hollow following the
> horses through three jumps in sequence.  If a horse ran out at the second
> jump, the camera did a strange manoeuvre - panned down, then around some
> 180 degrees, then panned up to find the horse - a very tricky bit of
> business for a physically manned the camera at the site!
> >
> > All in all, I thought that the presentation was very good - except for a
> re-occurring shot panning round following the horses through the tress,
> where all you could see were the trees!
> >
> > Mind you, wide screen TV  posed a problem for the off-the-horse
> interviews!  Clearly the cameraman did not want to have a dirty OS shot,
> but with an MCU there was a lot of space around the subject.
> >
> > --
> >
> > Best Regards
> >
> > Alec
> >
> > Alec Bray
> >
> > alec.bray.2 at gmail.com
> > mob:     07789 561 346
> > home:  0118 942 9543
> >
> >
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From graeme.wall at icloud.com  Mon May  7 07:54:21 2018
From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall)
Date: Mon, 07 May 2018 13:54:21 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Badminton - Drones
In-Reply-To: <CAB99AB-+=E9T+S1dBTz7Hg+xQUxd_u+PwX3ZeSS6UgeeVTcTpg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <76e068e0-26d4-769f-636f-659561ada637@gmail.com>
	<6AEAF6F3-B2E0-4FED-A162-236739094A81@icloud.com>
	<CAB99AB-+=E9T+S1dBTz7Hg+xQUxd_u+PwX3ZeSS6UgeeVTcTpg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F58ECD67-1E27-4E60-9BF2-83CEE751DDE8@icloud.com>

Neigh, lad!
? 
Graeme Wall





> On 7 May 2018, at 12:38, Geoff Fletcher <geoffletch at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Oh I wouldn't say that Graham - horses are are normally quite quiet.
> 
> Geoff F 
> 
> On Sun, May 6, 2018 at 11:36 AM, Graeme Wall via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> Surprised they use drones near horses, they tend to be quite noisy.
> ? 
> Graeme Wall
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > On 6 May 2018, at 10:40, Alec Bray via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> > 
> > Hi,
> > 
> > I watched quite a bit of the Badminton Horse Trials Cross Country yesterday - I had got quite enough heat from working in the garden earlier in the day!
> > 
> > I was very impressed by the use of drones.  The pictures were absolutely rock steady (much much more stable that the old heli-telly (oops, sorry!)) and full broadcast quality.: it was quite difficult on some shots to tell if it was a fixed (crane mounted) camera or a drone shot.
> > 
> > IMHO, the best use of the drone was tracking the riders coming along the lakeside, approaching the first jump into the lake, then along along in front of the hospitality tents, to the approach to the main lake jumps.
> > 
> > Unfortunately (?), the lakeside (query) ped-mounted manual camera was on the opposite side (flank) of the horse to the drone camera, but as the cut was usually made as the horse turned into the first jump, it did not jar.
> > 
> > From a couple of shots, it looked like a fixed camera was remotely operated: for instance, there was a camera in Huntsman Hollow following the horses through three jumps in sequence.  If a horse ran out at the second jump, the camera did a strange manoeuvre - panned down, then around some 180 degrees, then panned up to find the horse - a very tricky bit of business for a physically manned the camera at the site!
> > 
> > All in all, I thought that the presentation was very good - except for a re-occurring shot panning round following the horses through the tress, where all you could see were the trees!
> > 
> > Mind you, wide screen TV  posed a problem for the off-the-horse interviews!  Clearly the cameraman did not want to have a dirty OS shot, but with an MCU there was a lot of space around the subject.
> > 
> > -- 
> > 
> > Best Regards
> > 
> > Alec
> > 
> > Alec Bray
> > 
> > alec.bray.2 at gmail.com
> > mob:     07789 561 346
> > home:  0118 942 9543
> > 
> > 
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> 
> 
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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Mon May  7 08:11:13 2018
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Mon, 7 May 2018 14:11:13 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] [#NPF-441-58694]: Wordpress
In-Reply-To: <002b01d3e5f4$48b070a0$da1151e0$@theeccles.uk>
References: <b8934a6340b763ef89f6d69b778be287@help.site5.com>
	<CAA7MLyHnVs4ROcqNRh0UK-Cu3s4vEDzta4ikmEx5vrsFa2s74Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<2156C3DD-E6CE-47F4-9999-B0B4ED731C30@colinhassell.com>
	<002b01d3e5f4$48b070a0$da1151e0$@theeccles.uk>
Message-ID: <9be4c50b-fea3-d3d3-4bc9-d6cc4af42862@ntlworld.com>

I don't think this will fix all the problems, and what I actually asked 
them was if they have ARC on their mailserver. I'm not sure what that is 
either, but it apparently offsets the effects of DMARC, which was the 
original problem.

B



On 07/05/2018 12:12, Martin Eccles wrote:
>
> Hi Bernie,
>
> Thank you for fixing the system.
>
> I too have just had my first email since the 22^nd March.
>
> Great stuff,
>
> Martin.
>
> *From:*Tech1 <tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk> *On Behalf Of *Colin 
> Hassell via Tech1
> *Sent:* 07 May 2018 11:39
> *To:* Bernard Newnham <bernie833 at gmail.com>
> *Cc:* tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> *Subject:* Re: [Tech1] [#NPF-441-58694]: Wordpress
>
> Hi Bernie
>
> Yes, looks like it?s working better already - this is the first 
> message I?ve received from the List since 22-March.
>
> Thanks for the good work.
>
> Colin Hassell
>
> colin at colinhassell.com <mailto:colin at colinhassell.com>
>
>     On 7 May 2018, at 11:10, Bernard Newnham via Tech1
>     <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:
>
>     Not sure what this means, but the list might or might not work
>     better than it has been lately
>
>     ---------- Forwarded message ---------
>     From: Support Team <support at site5.com <mailto:support at site5.com>>
>     Date: Mon, 7 May 2018, 06:00
>     Subject: [#NPF-441-58694]: Wordpress
>     To: <bernie833 at gmail.com <mailto:bernie833 at gmail.com>>
>
>
>
>     Hello,
>
>     Thank you for contacting Site5 Support.
>
>     I could see that MX record for the domain tech-ops.co.uk
>     <http://tech-ops.co.uk/> was not added. I have added it now,
>     please check email issue after 4-6 hours as it requires a
>     propagation time.
>
>     If you have any further questions, please feel free to contact us.
>     We are available 24?7.
>
>     Thank you,
>
>
>     Prathik A.
>     Web Advisor
>     Site5 | https://site5.com <https://site5.com/>
>
>
>
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From alangomery at yahoo.co.uk  Mon May  7 09:24:21 2018
From: alangomery at yahoo.co.uk (Alan Gomery)
Date: Mon, 7 May 2018 15:24:21 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Drones
Message-ID: <9820E4BB-857D-427C-89BA-AE120DE2EAE9@yahoo.co.uk>

Hi Alec,

I've just been working at Badminton, and yes, all cameras were all upstaged by the drone on  the cross-country.  It was only allowed to fly over the lake, but the weather conditions produced a super reflection of the horse and rider when tracking along the lake. 

I'm afraid I am responsible (but not to blame!) for the dreadful  shots of horses not quite being seen through trees. These shots are taken at some distance from my 34m hoist with a circular cage at the start/finish - my stunning shots of Badminton House were nicked by the drone. 
These difficult through-the-trees shots were considered to be "invaluable" by the director, for at those times no other horse was visible to any other of the cameras round the course, and it was a clue to what was where.

I was not quite the oldest OB person on site - the executive producer was Chris Lewis, who Tech-Opians may remember as the ginger-haired floor manager of Grandstand in the 70's. 

Best wishes to you,
Alan Gomery

Sent from my iPhone


From alawrance1 at me.com  Mon May  7 09:31:38 2018
From: alawrance1 at me.com (Alasdair Lawrance)
Date: Mon, 07 May 2018 15:31:38 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Badminton - Drones
In-Reply-To: <F58ECD67-1E27-4E60-9BF2-83CEE751DDE8@icloud.com>
References: <76e068e0-26d4-769f-636f-659561ada637@gmail.com>
	<6AEAF6F3-B2E0-4FED-A162-236739094A81@icloud.com>
	<CAB99AB-+=E9T+S1dBTz7Hg+xQUxd_u+PwX3ZeSS6UgeeVTcTpg@mail.gmail.com>
	<F58ECD67-1E27-4E60-9BF2-83CEE751DDE8@icloud.com>
Message-ID: <C05FAAB3-3BA2-4495-B415-B8D88E0F45A9@me.com>

Quiet and stable, too.


Alasdair Lawrance
alawrance1 at me.com

Sent from my iPhone4




On 7 May 2018, at 13:54, Graeme Wall via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

Neigh, lad!
? 
Graeme Wall





> On 7 May 2018, at 12:38, Geoff Fletcher <geoffletch at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Oh I wouldn't say that Graham - horses are are normally quite quiet.
> 
> Geoff F 
> 
> On Sun, May 6, 2018 at 11:36 AM, Graeme Wall via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> Surprised they use drones near horses, they tend to be quite noisy.
> ? 
> Graeme Wall
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On 6 May 2018, at 10:40, Alec Bray via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I watched quite a bit of the Badminton Horse Trials Cross Country yesterday - I had got quite enough heat from working in the garden earlier in the day!
>> 
>> I was very impressed by the use of drones.  The pictures were absolutely rock steady (much much more stable that the old heli-telly (oops, sorry!)) and full broadcast quality.: it was quite difficult on some shots to tell if it was a fixed (crane mounted) camera or a drone shot.
>> 
>> IMHO, the best use of the drone was tracking the riders coming along the lakeside, approaching the first jump into the lake, then along along in front of the hospitality tents, to the approach to the main lake jumps.
>> 
>> Unfortunately (?), the lakeside (query) ped-mounted manual camera was on the opposite side (flank) of the horse to the drone camera, but as the cut was usually made as the horse turned into the first jump, it did not jar.
>> 
>> From a couple of shots, it looked like a fixed camera was remotely operated: for instance, there was a camera in Huntsman Hollow following the horses through three jumps in sequence.  If a horse ran out at the second jump, the camera did a strange manoeuvre - panned down, then around some 180 degrees, then panned up to find the horse - a very tricky bit of business for a physically manned the camera at the site!
>> 
>> All in all, I thought that the presentation was very good - except for a re-occurring shot panning round following the horses through the tress, where all you could see were the trees!
>> 
>> Mind you, wide screen TV  posed a problem for the off-the-horse interviews!  Clearly the cameraman did not want to have a dirty OS shot, but with an MCU there was a lot of space around the subject.
>> 
>> -- 
>> 
>> Best Regards
>> 
>> Alec
>> 
>> Alec Bray
>> 
>> alec.bray.2 at gmail.com
>> mob:     07789 561 346
>> home:  0118 942 9543
>> 
>> 
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From phider at gmx.com  Mon May  7 11:15:50 2018
From: phider at gmx.com (phider)
Date: Mon, 07 May 2018 17:15:50 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] [#NPF-441-58694]: Wordpress
In-Reply-To: <9be4c50b-fea3-d3d3-4bc9-d6cc4af42862@ntlworld.com>
Message-ID: <0MBJF3-1f8GXZ47D3-00ACEJ@mail.gmx.com>

Hi Bernie
Tech-ops emails at last!! Well done Bernie.
Any chance of a mail out of any important ones from the dark period?
Best regardsPeter Hider


Sent from Samsung Mobile on O2
-------- Original message --------From: Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> Date: 07/05/2018  14:11  (GMT+00:00) To: Martin Eccles <martin at theeccles.uk>, tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Cc: Bernard Newnham <bernie833 at gmail.com> Subject: Re: [Tech1] [#NPF-441-58694]: Wordpress 

    I don't think this will
      fix all the problems, and what I actually asked them was if they have ARC on
      their mailserver. I'm not sure what that is either, but it apparently offsets
                  the effects of DMARC, which was the original problem.

    

    B

    

    

    

    On 07/05/2018 12:12, Martin Eccles
      wrote:

    
    
      
      
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        Hi Bernie,
        Thank you for
            fixing the system.
        I too have
            just had my first email since the 22nd March.
        ?
        Great stuff,
        Martin.
        ?
        
          
            From: Tech1 <tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk>
                On Behalf Of Colin Hassell via Tech1

                Sent: 07 May 2018 11:39

                To: Bernard Newnham <bernie833 at gmail.com>

                Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk

                Subject: Re: [Tech1] [#NPF-441-58694]: Wordpress
          
        
        ?
        
          Hi Bernie
        
        
          ?
        
        
          Yes, looks like it?s working better
            already - this is the first message I?ve received from the
            List since 22-March.
        
        
          ?
        
        
          ?
        
        
          Thanks for the good work.
        
        ?
        
          
            Colin Hassell
          
          
            colin at colinhassell.com
          
          
            ?
          
          ?
        
        ?
        
          
            
              On 7 May 2018, at 11:10, Bernard
                Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
                wrote:
            
            ?
            
              
                
                  Not
                    sure what this means, but the list might or might
                    not work better than it has been lately
                  
                    
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                        Date: Mon, 7 May 2018, 06:00

                        Subject: [#NPF-441-58694]: Wordpress

                        To: <bernie833 at gmail.com>
                    
                    

                      

                      Hello,

                        

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                        I could see that MX record for the domain tech-ops.co.uk was
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From tonys at tonyscott.org.uk  Mon May  7 11:19:07 2018
From: tonys at tonyscott.org.uk (Tony Scott)
Date: Mon, 7 May 2018 17:19:07 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] [#NPF-441-58694]: Wordpress
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On 7 May 2018 at 17:15, phider via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> Hi Bernie
>
> Tech-ops emails at last!! Well done Bernie.
>
> Any chance of a mail out of any important ones from the dark period?
>
> Best regards
> Peter Hider
>
>
>
> Sent from Samsung Mobile on O2
>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> Date: 07/05/2018 14:11 (GMT+00:00)
> To: Martin Eccles <martin at theeccles.uk>, tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> Cc: Bernard Newnham <bernie833 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Tech1] [#NPF-441-58694]: Wordpress
>
> I don't think this will fix all the problems, and what I actually asked them
> was if they have ARC on their mailserver. I'm not sure what that is either,
> but it apparently offsets the effects of DMARC, which was the original
> problem.
>
> B
>
>
>
> On 07/05/2018 12:12, Martin Eccles wrote:
>
> Hi Bernie,
>
> Thank you for fixing the system.
>
> I too have just had my first email since the 22nd March.
>
>
>
> Great stuff,
>
> Martin.
>
>
>
> From: Tech1 <tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk> On Behalf Of Colin Hassell via
> Tech1
> Sent: 07 May 2018 11:39
> To: Bernard Newnham <bernie833 at gmail.com>
> Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> Subject: Re: [Tech1] [#NPF-441-58694]: Wordpress
>
>
>
> Hi Bernie
>
>
>
> Yes, looks like it?s working better already - this is the first message I?ve
> received from the List since 22-March.
>
>
>
>
>
> Thanks for the good work.
>
>
>
> Colin Hassell
>
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From: brian.curtis.bluesky at gmail.com (Brian Curtis)
Date: Mon, 7 May 2018 18:26:08 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Badminton - Drones
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Please no more - other wise that will be the last straw!

Cheers

Brian

On 7 May 2018 at 15:31, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
wrote:

> Quiet and stable, too.
>
>
> Alasdair Lawrance
> alawrance1 at me.com
>
> Sent from my iPhone4
>
>
>
>
> On 7 May 2018, at 13:54, Graeme Wall via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
> Neigh, lad!
> ?
> Graeme Wall
>
>
>
>
>
> > On 7 May 2018, at 12:38, Geoff Fletcher <geoffletch at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Oh I wouldn't say that Graham - horses are are normally quite quiet.
> >
> > Geoff F
> >
> > On Sun, May 6, 2018 at 11:36 AM, Graeme Wall via Tech1 <
> tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> > Surprised they use drones near horses, they tend to be quite noisy.
> > ?
> > Graeme Wall
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >> On 6 May 2018, at 10:40, Alec Bray via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> I watched quite a bit of the Badminton Horse Trials Cross Country
> yesterday - I had got quite enough heat from working in the garden earlier
> in the day!
> >>
> >> I was very impressed by the use of drones.  The pictures were
> absolutely rock steady (much much more stable that the old heli-telly
> (oops, sorry!)) and full broadcast quality.: it was quite difficult on some
> shots to tell if it was a fixed (crane mounted) camera or a drone shot.
> >>
> >> IMHO, the best use of the drone was tracking the riders coming along
> the lakeside, approaching the first jump into the lake, then along along in
> front of the hospitality tents, to the approach to the main lake jumps.
> >>
> >> Unfortunately (?), the lakeside (query) ped-mounted manual camera was
> on the opposite side (flank) of the horse to the drone camera, but as the
> cut was usually made as the horse turned into the first jump, it did not
> jar.
> >>
> >> From a couple of shots, it looked like a fixed camera was remotely
> operated: for instance, there was a camera in Huntsman Hollow following the
> horses through three jumps in sequence.  If a horse ran out at the second
> jump, the camera did a strange manoeuvre - panned down, then around some
> 180 degrees, then panned up to find the horse - a very tricky bit of
> business for a physically manned the camera at the site!
> >>
> >> All in all, I thought that the presentation was very good - except for
> a re-occurring shot panning round following the horses through the tress,
> where all you could see were the trees!
> >>
> >> Mind you, wide screen TV  posed a problem for the off-the-horse
> interviews!  Clearly the cameraman did not want to have a dirty OS shot,
> but with an MCU there was a lot of space around the subject.
> >>
> >> --
> >>
> >> Best Regards
> >>
> >> Alec
> >>
> >> Alec Bray
> >>
> >> alec.bray.2 at gmail.com
> >> mob:     07789 561 346
> >> home:  0118 942 9543
> >>
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From johnhcox at gmail.com  Mon May  7 12:42:08 2018
From: johnhcox at gmail.com (John Cox)
Date: Mon, 7 May 2018 18:42:08 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] All Come Good Switch
Message-ID: <5af08fef.1c69fb81.7250.6024@mx.google.com>


Bernard. Thank you for sorting out the tech ops mailing list.
 This recent ?technical? problem reminded me of a brilliant engineer we had in Television Outside Broadcast at Wembley his name was Ralph Parrott. The first thing I remember was the ?Parrapeep? which was a system of mirrors placed in front of one of three very large cameras at the Carlton Rooms for Come Dancing. The mirrors were controlled by hand levers to show at floor level the feet of the dancers. 
The next was for a programme called ?Now? which was about adventures at sea. For the opening credits Ralph filled a flat whiskey bottle half full and placed it in front of the camera lens and revolved it by a small motor giving the appearance of sea waves!
   When Ralph was driving in wet weather sometimes with Eric Powell they would carry a plastic bottle of washing up water, open the window and squirt over the windscreen while still on the move, this was before cars had windscreen washers.
 Ralph  invented many technical variations to the camera circuity, but he had the sensible idea that if it all went wrong he could fall back on his ?All Come Good Switch? and restore everything as before.  John Cox.
 
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From patheigham at amps.net  Mon May  7 12:58:31 2018
From: patheigham at amps.net (patrickheigham)
Date: Mon, 7 May 2018 18:58:31 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] All Come Good Switch
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Technical people were employed by the BBC for their ability to operate the service.
Many had brilliant, innovative ideas, which management failed to capitalise on.
John Henshall for one, who borrowed a mike boom to fit a small video camera
in place of the mike cradle. It worked superbly for operating the camera into
previously unthought of angles.
He got chastised by management for 'unauthorised use of BBC property'
What have we got now? Jimmy Jibs and remote head cameras!

Pah!!

Pat
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: John Cox via Tech1 
  To: Tech Ops Forum 
  Sent: Monday, May 07, 2018 6:42 PM
  Subject: [Tech1] All Come Good Switch


   

  Bernard. Thank you for sorting out the tech ops mailing list.

  This recent ?technical? problem reminded me of a brilliant engineer we had in Television Outside Broadcast at Wembley his name was Ralph Parrott. The first thing I remember was the ?Parrapeep? which was a system of mirrors placed in front of one of three very large cameras at the Carlton Rooms for Come Dancing. The mirrors were controlled by hand levers to show at floor level the feet of the dancers. 

  The next was for a programme called ?Now? which was about adventures at sea. For the opening credits Ralph filled a flat whiskey bottle half full and placed it in front of the camera lens and revolved it by a small motor giving the appearance of sea waves!

     When Ralph was driving in wet weather sometimes with Eric Powell they would carry a plastic bottle of washing up water, open the window and squirt over the windscreen while still on the move, this was before cars had windscreen washers.

  Ralph  invented many technical variations to the camera circuity, but he had the sensible idea that if it all went wrong he could fall back on his ?All Come Good Switch? and restore everything as before.  John Cox.


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From mibridge at mac.com  Mon May  7 13:26:47 2018
From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles)
Date: Mon, 07 May 2018 19:26:47 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Drones
In-Reply-To: <9820E4BB-857D-427C-89BA-AE120DE2EAE9@yahoo.co.uk>
References: <9820E4BB-857D-427C-89BA-AE120DE2EAE9@yahoo.co.uk>
Message-ID: <DEB9FE42-5B56-402B-A91F-3E73E5296A18@mac.com>

I bet Chris Lewis is not ginger-haired any longer!

Mike G


> On 7 May 2018, at 15:24, Alan Gomery via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Hi Alec,
> 
> I've just been working at Badminton, and yes, all cameras were all upstaged by the drone on  the cross-country.  It was only allowed to fly over the lake, but the weather conditions produced a super reflection of the horse and rider when tracking along the lake. 
> 
> I'm afraid I am responsible (but not to blame!) for the dreadful  shots of horses not quite being seen through trees. These shots are taken at some distance from my 34m hoist with a circular cage at the start/finish - my stunning shots of Badminton House were nicked by the drone. 
> These difficult through-the-trees shots were considered to be "invaluable" by the director, for at those times no other horse was visible to any other of the cameras round the course, and it was a clue to what was where.
> 
> I was not quite the oldest OB person on site - the executive producer was Chris Lewis, who Tech-Opians may remember as the ginger-haired floor manager of Grandstand in the 70's. 
> 
> Best wishes to you,
> Alan Gomery
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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From mibridge at mac.com  Mon May  7 13:27:37 2018
From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles)
Date: Mon, 07 May 2018 19:27:37 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Badminton - Drones
In-Reply-To: <CAGVa-QdypbKV98y11bKw2ENDAPX1AXRrZcH=M7uQbuPk09qYpg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <76e068e0-26d4-769f-636f-659561ada637@gmail.com>
	<6AEAF6F3-B2E0-4FED-A162-236739094A81@icloud.com>
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I just feel the urge to keep droning on!

Mike G


> On 7 May 2018, at 18:26, Brian Curtis via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Please no more - other wise that will be the last straw!
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Brian
> 
> On 7 May 2018 at 15:31, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:
> Quiet and stable, too.
> 
> 
> Alasdair Lawrance
> alawrance1 at me.com <mailto:alawrance1 at me.com>
> 
> Sent from my iPhone4
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 7 May 2018, at 13:54, Graeme Wall via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:
> 
> Neigh, lad!
> ? 
> Graeme Wall
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > On 7 May 2018, at 12:38, Geoff Fletcher <geoffletch at gmail.com <mailto:geoffletch at gmail.com>> wrote:
> > 
> > Oh I wouldn't say that Graham - horses are are normally quite quiet.
> > 
> > Geoff F 
> > 
> > On Sun, May 6, 2018 at 11:36 AM, Graeme Wall via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:
> > Surprised they use drones near horses, they tend to be quite noisy.
> > ? 
> > Graeme Wall
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >> On 6 May 2018, at 10:40, Alec Bray via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:
> >> 
> >> Hi,
> >> 
> >> I watched quite a bit of the Badminton Horse Trials Cross Country yesterday - I had got quite enough heat from working in the garden earlier in the day!
> >> 
> >> I was very impressed by the use of drones.  The pictures were absolutely rock steady (much much more stable that the old heli-telly (oops, sorry!)) and full broadcast quality.: it was quite difficult on some shots to tell if it was a fixed (crane mounted) camera or a drone shot.
> >> 
> >> IMHO, the best use of the drone was tracking the riders coming along the lakeside, approaching the first jump into the lake, then along along in front of the hospitality tents, to the approach to the main lake jumps.
> >> 
> >> Unfortunately (?), the lakeside (query) ped-mounted manual camera was on the opposite side (flank) of the horse to the drone camera, but as the cut was usually made as the horse turned into the first jump, it did not jar.
> >> 
> >> From a couple of shots, it looked like a fixed camera was remotely operated: for instance, there was a camera in Huntsman Hollow following the horses through three jumps in sequence.  If a horse ran out at the second jump, the camera did a strange manoeuvre - panned down, then around some 180 degrees, then panned up to find the horse - a very tricky bit of business for a physically manned the camera at the site!
> >> 
> >> All in all, I thought that the presentation was very good - except for a re-occurring shot panning round following the horses through the tress, where all you could see were the trees!
> >> 
> >> Mind you, wide screen TV  posed a problem for the off-the-horse interviews!  Clearly the cameraman did not want to have a dirty OS shot, but with an MCU there was a lot of space around the subject.
> >> 
> >> -- 
> >> 
> >> Best Regards
> >> 
> >> Alec
> >> 
> >> Alec Bray
> >> 
> >> alec.bray.2 at gmail.com <mailto:alec.bray.2 at gmail.com>
> >> mob:     07789 561 346
> >> home:  0118 942 9543
> >> 
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From petercook at lesters.org.uk  Mon May  7 14:14:43 2018
From: petercook at lesters.org.uk (Peter Cook)
Date: Mon, 7 May 2018 20:14:43 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Drones
References: <9820E4BB-857D-427C-89BA-AE120DE2EAE9@yahoo.co.uk>
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No longer I suspect the 'ginger t*m' in more ways than one! Peter C
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mike Giles via Tech1" <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
To: "Alan Gomery" <alangomery at yahoo.co.uk>
Cc: <Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2018 7:26 PM
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Drones


>I bet Chris Lewis is not ginger-haired any longer!
>
> Mike G
>
>
>> On 7 May 2018, at 15:24, Alan Gomery via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Alec,
>>
>> I've just been working at Badminton, and yes, all cameras were all 
>> upstaged by the drone on  the cross-country.  It was only allowed to fly 
>> over the lake, but the weather conditions produced a super reflection of 
>> the horse and rider when tracking along the lake.
>>
>> I'm afraid I am responsible (but not to blame!) for the dreadful  shots 
>> of horses not quite being seen through trees. These shots are taken at 
>> some distance from my 34m hoist with a circular cage at the 
>> start/finish - my stunning shots of Badminton House were nicked by the 
>> drone.
>> These difficult through-the-trees shots were considered to be 
>> "invaluable" by the director, for at those times no other horse was 
>> visible to any other of the cameras round the course, and it was a clue 
>> to what was where.
>>
>> I was not quite the oldest OB person on site - the executive producer was 
>> Chris Lewis, who Tech-Opians may remember as the ginger-haired floor 
>> manager of Grandstand in the 70's.
>>
>> Best wishes to you,
>> Alan Gomery
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
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From billjenkin67 at gmail.com  Mon May  7 14:33:07 2018
From: billjenkin67 at gmail.com (Bill Jenkin)
Date: Mon, 07 May 2018 19:33:07 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Drones/Chris Lewis
Message-ID: <CAE6tP4BLxpvKTUPNYFFb9YpfQ-XudF+0dNMKEX=P8i-vyWYBGA@mail.gmail.com>

By coincidence I saw some archive footage the other say which included
shots of Chris Lewis floor managing MOTD in studio E LGS some time in the
70s but can I remember where I saw it? No of course not.
Bill Jenkin

On Mon, 7 May 2018, 20:15 Peter Cook via Tech1, <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
wrote:

> No longer I suspect the 'ginger t*m' in more ways than one! Peter C
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mike Giles via Tech1" <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> To: "Alan Gomery" <alangomery at yahoo.co.uk>
> Cc: <Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> Sent: Monday, May 07, 2018 7:26 PM
> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Drones
>
>
> >I bet Chris Lewis is not ginger-haired any longer!
> >
> > Mike G
> >
> >
> >> On 7 May 2018, at 15:24, Alan Gomery via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi Alec,
> >>
> >> I've just been working at Badminton, and yes, all cameras were all
> >> upstaged by the drone on  the cross-country.  It was only allowed to
> fly
> >> over the lake, but the weather conditions produced a super reflection
> of
> >> the horse and rider when tracking along the lake.
> >>
> >> I'm afraid I am responsible (but not to blame!) for the dreadful  shots
> >> of horses not quite being seen through trees. These shots are taken at
> >> some distance from my 34m hoist with a circular cage at the
> >> start/finish - my stunning shots of Badminton House were nicked by the
> >> drone.
> >> These difficult through-the-trees shots were considered to be
> >> "invaluable" by the director, for at those times no other horse was
> >> visible to any other of the cameras round the course, and it was a clue
> >> to what was where.
> >>
> >> I was not quite the oldest OB person on site - the executive producer
> was
> >> Chris Lewis, who Tech-Opians may remember as the ginger-haired floor
> >> manager of Grandstand in the 70's.
> >>
> >> Best wishes to you,
> >> Alan Gomery
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Mon May  7 16:18:25 2018
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Mon, 7 May 2018 22:18:25 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Drones/Chris Lewis
In-Reply-To: <CAE6tP4BLxpvKTUPNYFFb9YpfQ-XudF+0dNMKEX=P8i-vyWYBGA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAE6tP4BLxpvKTUPNYFFb9YpfQ-XudF+0dNMKEX=P8i-vyWYBGA@mail.gmail.com>
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4fHRrHGBco







On 07/05/2018 20:33, Bill Jenkin via Tech1 wrote:
> By coincidence I saw some archive footage the other say which included 
> shots of Chris Lewis floor managing MOTD in studio E LGS some time in 
> the 70s but can I remember where I saw it? No of course not.
> Bill Jenkin
>
> On Mon, 7 May 2018, 20:15 Peter Cook via Tech1, <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk 
> <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:
>
>     No longer I suspect the 'ginger t*m' in more ways than one! Peter C
>     ----- Original Message -----
>     From: "Mike Giles via Tech1" <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>     <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>>
>     To: "Alan Gomery" <alangomery at yahoo.co.uk
>     <mailto:alangomery at yahoo.co.uk>>
>     Cc: <Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>>
>     Sent: Monday, May 07, 2018 7:26 PM
>     Subject: Re: [Tech1] Drones
>
>
>     >I bet Chris Lewis is not ginger-haired any longer!
>     >
>     > Mike G
>     >
>     >
>     >> On 7 May 2018, at 15:24, Alan Gomery via Tech1
>     <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>>
>     >> wrote:
>     >>
>     >> Hi Alec,
>     >>
>     >> I've just been working at Badminton, and yes, all cameras were all
>     >> upstaged by the drone on? the cross-country.? It was only
>     allowed to fly
>     >> over the lake, but the weather conditions produced a super
>     reflection of
>     >> the horse and rider when tracking along the lake.
>     >>
>     >> I'm afraid I am responsible (but not to blame!) for the
>     dreadful? shots
>     >> of horses not quite being seen through trees. These shots are
>     taken at
>     >> some distance from my 34m hoist with a circular cage at the
>     >> start/finish - my stunning shots of Badminton House were nicked
>     by the
>     >> drone.
>     >> These difficult through-the-trees shots were considered to be
>     >> "invaluable" by the director, for at those times no other horse
>     was
>     >> visible to any other of the cameras round the course, and it
>     was a clue
>     >> to what was where.
>     >>
>     >> I was not quite the oldest OB person on site - the executive
>     producer was
>     >> Chris Lewis, who Tech-Opians may remember as the ginger-haired
>     floor
>     >> manager of Grandstand in the 70's.
>     >>
>     >> Best wishes to you,
>     >> Alan Gomery
>     >>
>     >> Sent from my iPhone
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From geoffletch at gmail.com  Tue May  8 03:25:50 2018
From: geoffletch at gmail.com (Geoff Fletcher)
Date: Tue, 8 May 2018 09:25:50 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Badminton - Drones
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OK Brian. No more. I don't want to stirrup trouble.

Geoff F

On Mon, May 7, 2018 at 7:27 PM, Mike Giles via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
wrote:

> I just feel the urge to keep droning on!
>
> Mike G
>
>
> On 7 May 2018, at 18:26, Brian Curtis via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
> Please no more - other wise that will be the last straw!
>
> Cheers
>
> Brian
>
> On 7 May 2018 at 15:31, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
>> Quiet and stable, too.
>>
>>
>> Alasdair Lawrance
>> alawrance1 at me.com
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone4
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 7 May 2018, at 13:54, Graeme Wall via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Neigh, lad!
>> ?
>> Graeme Wall
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > On 7 May 2018, at 12:38, Geoff Fletcher <geoffletch at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > Oh I wouldn't say that Graham - horses are are normally quite quiet.
>> >
>> > Geoff F
>> >
>> > On Sun, May 6, 2018 at 11:36 AM, Graeme Wall via Tech1 <
>> tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> > Surprised they use drones near horses, they tend to be quite noisy.
>> > ?
>> > Graeme Wall
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >> On 6 May 2018, at 10:40, Alec Bray via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Hi,
>> >>
>> >> I watched quite a bit of the Badminton Horse Trials Cross Country
>> yesterday - I had got quite enough heat from working in the garden earlier
>> in the day!
>> >>
>> >> I was very impressed by the use of drones.  The pictures were
>> absolutely rock steady (much much more stable that the old heli-telly
>> (oops, sorry!)) and full broadcast quality.: it was quite difficult on some
>> shots to tell if it was a fixed (crane mounted) camera or a drone shot.
>> >>
>> >> IMHO, the best use of the drone was tracking the riders coming along
>> the lakeside, approaching the first jump into the lake, then along along in
>> front of the hospitality tents, to the approach to the main lake jumps.
>> >>
>> >> Unfortunately (?), the lakeside (query) ped-mounted manual camera was
>> on the opposite side (flank) of the horse to the drone camera, but as the
>> cut was usually made as the horse turned into the first jump, it did not
>> jar.
>> >>
>> >> From a couple of shots, it looked like a fixed camera was remotely
>> operated: for instance, there was a camera in Huntsman Hollow following the
>> horses through three jumps in sequence.  If a horse ran out at the second
>> jump, the camera did a strange manoeuvre - panned down, then around some
>> 180 degrees, then panned up to find the horse - a very tricky bit of
>> business for a physically manned the camera at the site!
>> >>
>> >> All in all, I thought that the presentation was very good - except for
>> a re-occurring shot panning round following the horses through the tress,
>> where all you could see were the trees!
>> >>
>> >> Mind you, wide screen TV  posed a problem for the off-the-horse
>> interviews!  Clearly the cameraman did not want to have a dirty OS shot,
>> but with an MCU there was a lot of space around the subject.
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >>
>> >> Best Regards
>> >>
>> >> Alec
>> >>
>> >> Alec Bray
>> >>
>> >> alec.bray.2 at gmail.com
>> >> mob:     07789 561 346
>> >> home:  0118 942 9543
>> >>
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From graeme.wall at icloud.com  Tue May  8 03:31:46 2018
From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall)
Date: Tue, 08 May 2018 09:31:46 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Badminton - Drones
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If I knew I was going to get saddled with this lot I wouldn?t have started.
? 
Graeme Wall





> On 8 May 2018, at 09:25, Geoff Fletcher via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> OK Brian. No more. I don't want to stirrup trouble.
> 
> Geoff F
> 
> On Mon, May 7, 2018 at 7:27 PM, Mike Giles via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> I just feel the urge to keep droning on!
> 
> Mike G
> 
> 
>> On 7 May 2018, at 18:26, Brian Curtis via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> Please no more - other wise that will be the last straw!
>> 
>> Cheers
>> 
>> Brian
>> 
>> On 7 May 2018 at 15:31, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> Quiet and stable, too.
>> 
>> 
>> Alasdair Lawrance
>> alawrance1 at me.com
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone4
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 7 May 2018, at 13:54, Graeme Wall via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> Neigh, lad!
>> ? 
>> Graeme Wall
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> > On 7 May 2018, at 12:38, Geoff Fletcher <geoffletch at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > 
>> > Oh I wouldn't say that Graham - horses are are normally quite quiet.
>> > 
>> > Geoff F 
>> > 
>> > On Sun, May 6, 2018 at 11:36 AM, Graeme Wall via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> > Surprised they use drones near horses, they tend to be quite noisy.
>> > ? 
>> > Graeme Wall
>> > 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > 
>> >> On 6 May 2018, at 10:40, Alec Bray via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> >> 
>> >> Hi,
>> >> 
>> >> I watched quite a bit of the Badminton Horse Trials Cross Country yesterday - I had got quite enough heat from working in the garden earlier in the day!
>> >> 
>> >> I was very impressed by the use of drones.  The pictures were absolutely rock steady (much much more stable that the old heli-telly (oops, sorry!)) and full broadcast quality.: it was quite difficult on some shots to tell if it was a fixed (crane mounted) camera or a drone shot.
>> >> 
>> >> IMHO, the best use of the drone was tracking the riders coming along the lakeside, approaching the first jump into the lake, then along along in front of the hospitality tents, to the approach to the main lake jumps.
>> >> 
>> >> Unfortunately (?), the lakeside (query) ped-mounted manual camera was on the opposite side (flank) of the horse to the drone camera, but as the cut was usually made as the horse turned into the first jump, it did not jar.
>> >> 
>> >> From a couple of shots, it looked like a fixed camera was remotely operated: for instance, there was a camera in Huntsman Hollow following the horses through three jumps in sequence.  If a horse ran out at the second jump, the camera did a strange manoeuvre - panned down, then around some 180 degrees, then panned up to find the horse - a very tricky bit of business for a physically manned the camera at the site!
>> >> 
>> >> All in all, I thought that the presentation was very good - except for a re-occurring shot panning round following the horses through the tress, where all you could see were the trees!
>> >> 
>> >> Mind you, wide screen TV  posed a problem for the off-the-horse interviews!  Clearly the cameraman did not want to have a dirty OS shot, but with an MCU there was a lot of space around the subject.
>> >> 
>> >> -- 
>> >> 
>> >> Best Regards
>> >> 
>> >> Alec
>> >> 
>> >> Alec Bray
>> >> 
>> >> alec.bray.2 at gmail.com
>> >> mob:     07789 561 346
>> >> home:  0118 942 9543
>> >> 
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From petercook at lesters.org.uk  Tue May  8 03:59:34 2018
From: petercook at lesters.org.uk (Peter Cook)
Date: Tue, 8 May 2018 09:59:34 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Fw:  Smart Meters belated post
Message-ID: <A6585232D46B45E7AC317D1CAAA32F1F@henley1092>

hi folks

After some weeks of not being able to send to the tech-ops forum, Bernie's latest trick (thanks Bernie) has stopped me being kicked out. I remembered writing quite a long email a while back and here belatedly it is, fresh from sent items folder.

Peter 
----- Original Message ----- 
From: Peter Cook 
To: Peter Fox ; patrickheigham 
Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk 
Sent: Friday, March 30, 2018 8:47 PM
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Smart Meters


I have 2 meter units, one for 'stored energy' one for day/night. After 10 years SSE sent  man to change one meter. Despite having been fitted together their system proclaimed different replacement dates. I told them politely to p*** o** and that they would be done together. They were persuaded. So what happens I would like to know to the millions of perfectly serviceable meters which get junked?

SSE recently billed me using estimated readings. I spent a good half hour on the phone because their estimates were do inaccurate the online reading service would not accept the true readings! Yesterday I got the resulting bill. They managed to mix up my day and night readings. That must have been difficult as one was 4 digits and the other 5. It was a couple of hundred quid in their favour. So I spent another 15 minutes on the phone with someone more intelligent (I hope). I haven't decided yet how much per hour to bill them for sorting out their incompetence. My theory is if they can't cope with old technology what hope is there with smart meters?

As for water, I have a shared supply with next door. When we had a leak many years back a new blue plastic supply was put in. It was supposed to cost a couple of hundred but it must have been too complex as we never got billed. I was offered a meter but it could only be internal. I could not offer a convenient 1 meter length of pipe for them so went on to 'average household charge', which actually reduced my bill from the RV basis. I might save if I had a meter but I do not wish to have the hassle. ?350 a year seems good value.

There is no gas in the village so I am not impressed with dual fuel offers or surveys which assume that gas is an option. I am sometimes a little unfriendly, like when offered loft insulation by someone who hasn't done their research. They seem sceptical of my three foot deep loft insulation, or at least the ones who have never encountered thatch!

There is endless amusement to be had if one can be bothered.

Ciao

peter


  .


   ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Peter Fox via Tech1 
  To: patrickheigham 
  Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk 
  Sent: Friday, March 30, 2018 6:35 PM
  Subject: Re: [Tech1] Smart Meters


  Mainly to Mike G: My cousin has had smart gas and electric meters fitted. Both meters had to be replaced, even though the unsmart (Dumbo?) gas meter was only a year old, fitted after a JCB trauma of the gas main next door, so shame about your cupboard. The new battery powered smart gas meter ?talks? locally to the electricity meter, by low power wireless, and the electric meter, having ?unlimited? power available is the mobile phone network communicator. She had a query about her gas reading recently from edf because she appeared not to have used any gas, and would she give them a reading? Yes. She sent me out into the garden to wrestle open the box, and scrabble on the damp ground (BBC training handy there) It said 0000000000 
  Was she sure? Yes. Even after pushing some coloured buttons, it still said 0000000000.   So they came and checked, unbelievers. And fitted a new, new smart meter. The first new smart meter was fitted last June. So that?s 8 months free gas. Bargain. 
  The Man told me that the utilities are supposed to fit new gas meters every ten years anyway, so battery life is not reckoned to be an issue. As my own plain old dumbo gas meter is at least thirty years old I take that ten years with a pinch of salt. 
  Peter F


  Crippled Crapple

  On 30 Mar 2018, at 17:02, patrickheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:


    Re: meters
    Electricity:
    EDF fitted me with a smart meter - it renders the reading via the Vodafone network,
    therefore the engineer checked the signal strength before installation.
    The small remote display screen is quite useful, as it can be switched between various
    readings - I find the instantaneous consumption to be mostly viewed.
    Gas:
    Not gone for that yet.
    However with Gas central heating I gather that keeping the property up to
    temperature all day is cheaper than letting it go down to almost cold and boosting later.
    As I'm retired, I'm in most of the time and I don't like being cold.
    Water:
    Definitely best if one or two occupants only.
    I made a chart for my residents in the three blocks of flats where I reside,
    going to the extent of measuring the water consumption of handbasin /
    kitchen sink / bath, for a decent wallow level! / and loo flushing.
    (Don't have a shower).
    Car washing and lawn sprinklers will modify that, and the fixed charge
    might be a better bet.

    If your rain water run-off does not go into the main drainage, then there
    is a discount available - at least for Sutton & East Surrey.
    This affects the charge for sewage disposal.

    If you collect rain water in butts, you could water the grass with a small
    pump? This brings electricity back into play!!

    Best
    Pat



      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: Bernard Newnham via Tech1 
      To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk 
      Sent: Friday, March 30, 2018 10:08 AM
      Subject: [Tech1] Smart Meters


      How do people feel about smart meters?  

      Our new provider OVO rang a week ago and asked if we would fit them, and sounded very diffident about it, as if they are controversial.  Yesterday a man came and fitted them in about an hour, and now I never have to crawl into a cupboard with a torch again. We also have a small screen telling us how much we've used, though I knew that anyway and it won't change anything. I've always known that when the boiler goes "woom" I start using the most energy, and I'm not planning to adjust it at all.

      So - why are they controversial?

      B
       



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From j at howell61.f9.co.uk  Tue May  8 04:38:42 2018
From: j at howell61.f9.co.uk (John Howell)
Date: Tue, 8 May 2018 10:38:42 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Badminton - Drones
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I 'spose I'm saddled with making a comment.

Hibou.


On 08/05/2018 09:25, Geoff Fletcher via Tech1 wrote:
> OK Brian. No more. I don't want to stirrup trouble.
>
> Geoff F
>
> On Mon, May 7, 2018 at 7:27 PM, Mike Giles via Tech1 
> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:
>
>     I just feel the urge to keep droning on!
>
>     Mike G
>
>
>>     On 7 May 2018, at 18:26, Brian Curtis via Tech1
>>     <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:
>>
>>     Please no more - other wise that will be the last straw!
>>
>>     Cheers
>>
>>     Brian
>>
>>     On 7 May 2018 at 15:31, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1
>>     <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:
>>
>>         Quiet and stable, too.
>>
>>
>>         Alasdair Lawrance
>>         alawrance1 at me.com <mailto:alawrance1 at me.com>
>>
>>         Sent from my iPhone4
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>         On 7 May 2018, at 13:54, Graeme Wall via Tech1
>>         <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:
>>
>>         Neigh, lad!
>>         ?
>>         Graeme Wall
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>         > On 7 May 2018, at 12:38, Geoff Fletcher
>>         <geoffletch at gmail.com <mailto:geoffletch at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>         >
>>         > Oh I wouldn't say that Graham - horses are are normally
>>         quite quiet.
>>         >
>>         > Geoff F
>>         >
>>         > On Sun, May 6, 2018 at 11:36 AM, Graeme Wall via Tech1
>>         <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:
>>         > Surprised they use drones near horses, they tend to be
>>         quite noisy.
>>         > ?
>>         > Graeme Wall
>>         >
>>         >
>>         >
>>         >
>>         >
>>         >> On 6 May 2018, at 10:40, Alec Bray via Tech1
>>         <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:
>>         >>
>>         >> Hi,
>>         >>
>>         >> I watched quite a bit of the Badminton Horse Trials Cross
>>         Country yesterday - I had got quite enough heat from working
>>         in the garden earlier in the day!
>>         >>
>>         >> I was very impressed by the use of drones.? The pictures
>>         were absolutely rock steady (much much more stable that the
>>         old heli-telly (oops, sorry!)) and full broadcast quality.:
>>         it was quite difficult on some shots to tell if it was a
>>         fixed (crane mounted) camera or a drone shot.
>>         >>
>>         >> IMHO, the best use of the drone was tracking the riders
>>         coming along the lakeside, approaching the first jump into
>>         the lake, then along along in front of the hospitality tents,
>>         to the approach to the main lake jumps.
>>         >>
>>         >> Unfortunately (?), the lakeside (query) ped-mounted manual
>>         camera was on the opposite side (flank) of the horse to the
>>         drone camera, but as the cut was usually made as the horse
>>         turned into the first jump, it did not jar.
>>         >>
>>         >> From a couple of shots, it looked like a fixed camera was
>>         remotely operated: for instance, there was a camera in
>>         Huntsman Hollow following the horses through three jumps in
>>         sequence.? If a horse ran out at the second jump, the camera
>>         did a strange manoeuvre - panned down, then around some 180
>>         degrees, then panned up to find the horse - a very tricky bit
>>         of business for a physically manned the camera at the site!
>>         >>
>>         >> All in all, I thought that the presentation was very good
>>         - except for a re-occurring shot panning round following the
>>         horses through the tress, where all you could see were the trees!
>>         >>
>>         >> Mind you, wide screen TV posed a problem for the
>>         off-the-horse interviews!? Clearly the cameraman did not want
>>         to have a dirty OS shot, but with an MCU there was a lot of
>>         space around the subject.
>>         >>
>>         >> --
>>         >>
>>         >> Best Regards
>>         >>
>>         >> Alec
>>         >>
>>         >> Alec Bray
>>         >>
>>         >> alec.bray.2 at gmail.com <mailto:alec.bray.2 at gmail.com>
>>         >> mob:? ? ?07789 561 346
>>         >> home:? 0118 942 9543
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From j at howell61.f9.co.uk  Tue May  8 04:48:38 2018
From: j at howell61.f9.co.uk (John Howell)
Date: Tue, 8 May 2018 10:48:38 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Badminton - Drones
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Sorry Graeme,

You beat me to it. But, hay, who cares!

Hibou


On 08/05/2018 09:31, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote:
> If I knew I was going to get saddled with this lot I wouldn?t have started.
> ?
> Graeme Wall
>
>
>
>
>
>> On 8 May 2018, at 09:25, Geoff Fletcher via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> OK Brian. No more. I don't want to stirrup trouble.
>>
>> Geoff F
>>
>> On Mon, May 7, 2018 at 7:27 PM, Mike Giles via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> I just feel the urge to keep droning on!
>>
>> Mike G
>>
>>
>>> On 7 May 2018, at 18:26, Brian Curtis via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>> Please no more - other wise that will be the last straw!
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>>
>>> Brian
>>>
>>> On 7 May 2018 at 15:31, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> Quiet and stable, too.
>>>
>>>
>>> Alasdair Lawrance
>>> alawrance1 at me.com
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone4
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 7 May 2018, at 13:54, Graeme Wall via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>> Neigh, lad!
>>> ?
>>> Graeme Wall
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On 7 May 2018, at 12:38, Geoff Fletcher <geoffletch at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Oh I wouldn't say that Graham - horses are are normally quite quiet.
>>>>
>>>> Geoff F
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, May 6, 2018 at 11:36 AM, Graeme Wall via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> Surprised they use drones near horses, they tend to be quite noisy.
>>>> ?
>>>> Graeme Wall
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On 6 May 2018, at 10:40, Alec Bray via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> I watched quite a bit of the Badminton Horse Trials Cross Country yesterday - I had got quite enough heat from working in the garden earlier in the day!
>>>>>
>>>>> I was very impressed by the use of drones.  The pictures were absolutely rock steady (much much more stable that the old heli-telly (oops, sorry!)) and full broadcast quality.: it was quite difficult on some shots to tell if it was a fixed (crane mounted) camera or a drone shot.
>>>>>
>>>>> IMHO, the best use of the drone was tracking the riders coming along the lakeside, approaching the first jump into the lake, then along along in front of the hospitality tents, to the approach to the main lake jumps.
>>>>>
>>>>> Unfortunately (?), the lakeside (query) ped-mounted manual camera was on the opposite side (flank) of the horse to the drone camera, but as the cut was usually made as the horse turned into the first jump, it did not jar.
>>>>>
>>>>>  From a couple of shots, it looked like a fixed camera was remotely operated: for instance, there was a camera in Huntsman Hollow following the horses through three jumps in sequence.  If a horse ran out at the second jump, the camera did a strange manoeuvre - panned down, then around some 180 degrees, then panned up to find the horse - a very tricky bit of business for a physically manned the camera at the site!
>>>>>
>>>>> All in all, I thought that the presentation was very good - except for a re-occurring shot panning round following the horses through the tress, where all you could see were the trees!
>>>>>
>>>>> Mind you, wide screen TV  posed a problem for the off-the-horse interviews!  Clearly the cameraman did not want to have a dirty OS shot, but with an MCU there was a lot of space around the subject.
>>>>>
>>>>> -- 
>>>>>
>>>>> Best Regards
>>>>>
>>>>> Alec
>>>>>
>>>>> Alec Bray
>>>>>
>>>>> alec.bray.2 at gmail.com
>>>>> mob:     07789 561 346
>>>>> home:  0118 942 9543
>>>>>
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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Tue May  8 05:45:22 2018
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Tue, 8 May 2018 11:45:22 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] And now for something completely different
Message-ID: <4b70f206-5f5b-05fc-3e00-85491b3750bc@gmail.com>

I can't cope with any more horse puns, so here's something else......

You know how things like YouTube target your preferences? Well, some 
time back I looked at some stuff about the Flat Earth Society holding a 
conference somewhere in the US.? And now YouTube won't let it go,and as 
I'm a sucker for watching the stuff, it is self perpetuating. Bythe way, 
there's been another conference since then, in the UK. They flew in from 
all over - on aircraft that can't navigate except on a global earth, but 
they don't seem to notice that bit.

A small number of people have started to take the flat earthers on, and 
produce cogent refuting YouTube videos, and I, sad person that I am, 
have been watching them. A very good series is called World of Batshit, 
made by someone here in the UK. He is very good at doing the maths 
implied by the flat people, which they never do, and sometimes the 
results are very funny.? He is very clear and downbeat, but not everyone 
in the refuting camp is quite so erudite, and one clip tends to get used 
a lot. He has used it here, and I have to admit that I laugh each time-

http://tech-ops.co.uk/next/gravity/ It's best viewed when the download 
is complete, rather than stop start, but that depends on your browser 
and download speed. It's just over 21Mb.

Also - I edited the piece out of the original YouTube video 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ij8Rby4hNgM&t=101s with Blackmagic Da 
Vinci Resolve 15 beta. It's rather amazing how far this software has 
come from being just (!) the industry standard colour corrector, and is 
nowa high quality editor, with Fusion, a node-based AE rival, Fairlight, 
a professional DAW, and of course the colour system. ? And it's 
completely free - you just download it from here - 
https://www.blackmagicdesign.com/uk/products/davinciresolve/ The 
ergonomics of the actual edit are excellent, and show how editing on 
most systems now use roughly the same procedures, a bit like cars always 
having the accelerator on the right pedal. The trim system is the one 
first used on Eidos Optima back in the '90s, and these days by nearly 
every editor.

B
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From graeme.wall at icloud.com  Tue May  8 05:53:48 2018
From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall)
Date: Tue, 08 May 2018 11:53:48 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] And now for something completely different
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Argh, you?ve got me hooked now!
? 
Graeme Wall





> On 8 May 2018, at 11:45, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> I can't cope with any more horse puns, so here's something else......
> 
> You know how things like YouTube target your preferences?  Well, some time back I looked at some stuff about the Flat Earth Society holding a conference somewhere in the US.  And now YouTube won't let it go, and as I'm a sucker for watching the stuff, it is self perpetuating.  By the way, there's been another conference since then, in the UK. They flew in from all over - on aircraft that can't navigate except on a global earth, but they don't seem to notice that bit.
> 
> A small number of people have started to take the flat earthers on, and produce cogent refuting YouTube videos, and I, sad person that I am, have been watching them. A very good series is called World of Batshit, made by someone here in the UK.  He is very good at doing the maths implied by the flat people, which they never do, and sometimes the results are very funny.  He is very clear and downbeat, but not everyone in the refuting camp is quite so erudite, and one clip tends to get used a lot. He has used it here, and I have to admit that I laugh each time -  
> 
> http://tech-ops.co.uk/next/gravity/    It's best viewed when the download is complete, rather than stop start, but that depends on your browser and download speed. It's just over 21Mb.
> 
> Also - I edited the piece out of the original YouTube video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ij8Rby4hNgM&t=101s  with Blackmagic Da Vinci Resolve 15 beta. It's rather amazing how far this software has come from being just (!) the industry standard colour corrector, and is now a high quality editor, with Fusion, a node-based AE rival, Fairlight, a professional DAW, and of course the colour system.   And it's completely free - you just download it from here - https://www.blackmagicdesign.com/uk/products/davinciresolve/ The ergonomics of the actual edit are excellent, and show how                                                           editing on most systems now use roughly the same procedures, a bit like cars always having the accelerator on the right pedal. The trim system is the one first used on Eidos Optima back in the '90s, and these days by nearly every editor. 
> 
> B 
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From alawrance1 at me.com  Tue May  8 06:39:56 2018
From: alawrance1 at me.com (Alasdair Lawrance)
Date: Tue, 08 May 2018 12:39:56 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Badminton - Drones
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I really bridle at rubbish like that......

Alasdair Lawrance

Sent from my iPad2

> On 8 May 2018, at 10:48, John Howell via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Sorry Graeme,
> 
> You beat me to it. But, hay, who cares!
> 
> Hibou
> 
> 
>> On 08/05/2018 09:31, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote:
>> If I knew I was going to get saddled with this lot I wouldn?t have started.
>> ?
>> Graeme Wall
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 8 May 2018, at 09:25, Geoff Fletcher via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>>> OK Brian. No more. I don't want to stirrup trouble.
>>> 
>>> Geoff F
>>> 
>>> On Mon, May 7, 2018 at 7:27 PM, Mike Giles via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> I just feel the urge to keep droning on!
>>> 
>>> Mike G
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On 7 May 2018, at 18:26, Brian Curtis via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Please no more - other wise that will be the last straw!
>>>> 
>>>> Cheers
>>>> 
>>>> Brian
>>>> 
>>>> On 7 May 2018 at 15:31, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> Quiet and stable, too.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Alasdair Lawrance
>>>> alawrance1 at me.com
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone4
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On 7 May 2018, at 13:54, Graeme Wall via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Neigh, lad!
>>>> ?
>>>> Graeme Wall
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On 7 May 2018, at 12:38, Geoff Fletcher <geoffletch at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Oh I wouldn't say that Graham - horses are are normally quite quiet.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Geoff F
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Sun, May 6, 2018 at 11:36 AM, Graeme Wall via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>> Surprised they use drones near horses, they tend to be quite noisy.
>>>>> ?
>>>>> Graeme Wall
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 6 May 2018, at 10:40, Alec Bray via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I watched quite a bit of the Badminton Horse Trials Cross Country yesterday - I had got quite enough heat from working in the garden earlier in the day!
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I was very impressed by the use of drones.  The pictures were absolutely rock steady (much much more stable that the old heli-telly (oops, sorry!)) and full broadcast quality.: it was quite difficult on some shots to tell if it was a fixed (crane mounted) camera or a drone shot.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> IMHO, the best use of the drone was tracking the riders coming along the lakeside, approaching the first jump into the lake, then along along in front of the hospitality tents, to the approach to the main lake jumps.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Unfortunately (?), the lakeside (query) ped-mounted manual camera was on the opposite side (flank) of the horse to the drone camera, but as the cut was usually made as the horse turned into the first jump, it did not jar.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> From a couple of shots, it looked like a fixed camera was remotely operated: for instance, there was a camera in Huntsman Hollow following the horses through three jumps in sequence.  If a horse ran out at the second jump, the camera did a strange manoeuvre - panned down, then around some 180 degrees, then panned up to find the horse - a very tricky bit of business for a physically manned the camera at the site!
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> All in all, I thought that the presentation was very good - except for a re-occurring shot panning round following the horses through the tress, where all you could see were the trees!
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Mind you, wide screen TV  posed a problem for the off-the-horse interviews!  Clearly the cameraman did not want to have a dirty OS shot, but with an MCU there was a lot of space around the subject.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Best Regards
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Alec
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Alec Bray
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> alec.bray.2 at gmail.com
>>>>>> mob:     07789 561 346
>>>>>> home:  0118 942 9543
>>>>>> 
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From geoffletch at gmail.com  Tue May  8 14:40:06 2018
From: geoffletch at gmail.com (Geoff Fletcher)
Date: Tue, 08 May 2018 19:40:06 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Badminton - Drones
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Rein it in a bit lads!
Geoff F

On Tue, 8 May 2018 at 12:41, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 <
tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

> I really bridle at rubbish like that......
>
> Alasdair Lawrance
>
> Sent from my iPad2
>
> > On 8 May 2018, at 10:48, John Howell via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> wrote:
> >
> > Sorry Graeme,
> >
> > You beat me to it. But, hay, who cares!
> >
> > Hibou
> >
> >
> >> On 08/05/2018 09:31, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote:
> >> If I knew I was going to get saddled with this lot I wouldn?t have
> started.
> >> ?
> >> Graeme Wall
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> On 8 May 2018, at 09:25, Geoff Fletcher via Tech1 <
> tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> OK Brian. No more. I don't want to stirrup trouble.
> >>>
> >>> Geoff F
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, May 7, 2018 at 7:27 PM, Mike Giles via Tech1 <
> tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> >>> I just feel the urge to keep droning on!
> >>>
> >>> Mike G
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> On 7 May 2018, at 18:26, Brian Curtis via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Please no more - other wise that will be the last straw!
> >>>>
> >>>> Cheers
> >>>>
> >>>> Brian
> >>>>
> >>>> On 7 May 2018 at 15:31, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 <
> tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> >>>> Quiet and stable, too.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Alasdair Lawrance
> >>>> alawrance1 at me.com
> >>>>
> >>>> Sent from my iPhone4
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On 7 May 2018, at 13:54, Graeme Wall via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Neigh, lad!
> >>>> ?
> >>>> Graeme Wall
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> On 7 May 2018, at 12:38, Geoff Fletcher <geoffletch at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Oh I wouldn't say that Graham - horses are are normally quite quiet.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Geoff F
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Sun, May 6, 2018 at 11:36 AM, Graeme Wall via Tech1 <
> tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> >>>>> Surprised they use drones near horses, they tend to be quite noisy.
> >>>>> ?
> >>>>> Graeme Wall
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> On 6 May 2018, at 10:40, Alec Bray via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Hi,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I watched quite a bit of the Badminton Horse Trials Cross Country
> yesterday - I had got quite enough heat from working in the garden earlier
> in the day!
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I was very impressed by the use of drones.  The pictures were
> absolutely rock steady (much much more stable that the old heli-telly
> (oops, sorry!)) and full broadcast quality.: it was quite difficult on some
> shots to tell if it was a fixed (crane mounted) camera or a drone shot.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> IMHO, the best use of the drone was tracking the riders coming
> along the lakeside, approaching the first jump into the lake, then along
> along in front of the hospitality tents, to the approach to the main lake
> jumps.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Unfortunately (?), the lakeside (query) ped-mounted manual camera
> was on the opposite side (flank) of the horse to the drone camera, but as
> the cut was usually made as the horse turned into the first jump, it did
> not jar.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> From a couple of shots, it looked like a fixed camera was remotely
> operated: for instance, there was a camera in Huntsman Hollow following the
> horses through three jumps in sequence.  If a horse ran out at the second
> jump, the camera did a strange manoeuvre - panned down, then around some
> 180 degrees, then panned up to find the horse - a very tricky bit of
> business for a physically manned the camera at the site!
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> All in all, I thought that the presentation was very good - except
> for a re-occurring shot panning round following the horses through the
> tress, where all you could see were the trees!
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Mind you, wide screen TV  posed a problem for the off-the-horse
> interviews!  Clearly the cameraman did not want to have a dirty OS shot,
> but with an MCU there was a lot of space around the subject.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> --
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Best Regards
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Alec
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Alec Bray
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> alec.bray.2 at gmail.com
> >>>>>> mob:     07789 561 346
> >>>>>> home:  0118 942 9543
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> --
> >>>>>> Tech1 mailing list
> >>>>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> >>>>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk
> >>>>>
> >>>>> --
> >>>>> Tech1 mailing list
> >>>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> >>>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>> Tech1 mailing list
> >>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> >>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>> Tech1 mailing list
> >>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> >>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>> Tech1 mailing list
> >>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> >>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Tech1 mailing list
> >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk
> >>>
> >>>
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> >
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From ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com  Wed May  9 02:15:01 2018
From: ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com (Albert Barber)
Date: Wed, 9 May 2018 08:15:01 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: Report Abuse Auto Response
References: <ECEA5F46-9F9F-4897-8809-E2D2F13EB8B7@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <B16B33E6-72A4-451F-8F46-B34C5F7C8CDA@btinternet.com>

Just in case you get messages asking you to pay invoices from Sage!
This came from Sage. I reported it to them.
They are scams
Albert
> 
> 
>> Begin forwarded message:
>> 
>> Thank you for letting us know you have received a suspicious or unsolicited email from Sage.  We endeavour to investigate all reported abuse of our identity, and where appropriate take actions to stop these.  We are unable to provide a personal response to every report, but thank you again for bringing this to our attention.
>> 
>> We have recently seen phishing email sent:
>> From:                    noreply at sages.biz <mailto:noreply at sages.biz>
>> Subject:            Your Sage subscription invoice is ready
>> Link leads to:      Sage_invoice.zip
>>  
>> We have recently seen phishing email sent:
>> From:                    no-reply at sage.co.uk <mailto:no-reply at sage.co.uk>
>> Subject:            Invoice #0000000
>> This email has a zip attachment and looks like Sage branded email. 
>>  
>> We have recently seen phishing email sent:
>> From:                    sage-invoices at sage.co.uk <mailto:sage-invoices at sage.co.uk>
>> Subject:            Outdated Invoice
>> This email has an attachment and looks like Sage branded email
>>  
>> We have recently seen phishing email sent:
>> From:                    noreply at sage-50.org <mailto:noreply at sage-50.org>
>> From:                      noreply at sage-cl.com <mailto:noreply at sage-cl.com>
>> Subject:            Your Sage subscription invoice is ready
>> Link leads to:      Compromised SharePoint site
>>  
>>  
>> These are not from Sage and should be deleted.
>>  
>> Remember Sage will never send unsolicited email with a zip attachment.
>> What is a phishing email?
>> Phishing email is counterfeit email sent by a third party to customers of another business (often one which is well-known), claiming to be sent by or on behalf of that other business. They are called phishing email (also known as ?Spam?, "hoax" or "phisher" email) because they often use the name and branding of the other business, presumably in an attempt to deceive the recipient, and sometimes in order to commit identity theft or deliver a virus.  We believe the senders of  these emails hope that unsuspecting recipients will reply or click a link contained in the email and then provide confidential information (for example, account passwords, bank account or credit card numbers).
>> How have I received a phishing email from an @Sage.com <http://sage.com/> address?
>> The third parties sending these types of email will use unsecured email servers to send email to recipients, using sender addresses which they do not own.
>> They are able to do this as some email systems are set up in such a way that they do not check the authenticity of the sender of the email against the sender address, and so will deliver emails from any sender address.
>> What are Sage doing to stop this?
>> Unfortunately as there as so many of these email systems sending emails and they are not under our control, there is nothing we can do to stop the messages being sent.
>> What we have done is implemented a type of security, which means your mail system can check whether or not  an email message has in fact been sent by or on behalf of Sage (and if not, prevent it from being delivered).
>> This system is called the Sender Policy Framework (SPF).
>> What is the Sender Policy Framework (SPF)?
>> The SPF is a system that allows the recipient?s email system to check the authenticity of an email, by checking that the email system from which the message originated is authorised by us to send emails for a particular domain approved by us.
>> For example, when an email system receives an email from joe.bloggs at sage.com <mailto:joe.bloggs at sage.com>, it can check that the email has originated from one of the systems that is authorised by Sage to send messages  by or on behalf of Sage.
>> If this validation fails then the email message will not be delivered and will be discarded.
>> If Sage have implemented SPF, why have I received this spoof email?
>> Unfortunately although most email systems are able to perform SPF validation it may not be enabled by default, and if it is not enabled then this checking does not take place.
>> Is there anything I can do to stop these spoof emails?
>> You can contact your email provider or IT team and ask if they can enable SPF validation on your mail system. This will help reduce the amount of Spoof/Spam email you will receive.
>>  
>> Please note: This is an automated response and we cannot respond to e-mails this mailbox receives.   
> 

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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Thu May 10 06:38:07 2018
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Thu, 10 May 2018 12:38:07 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] GPRD - resend
Message-ID: <c14a29ac-34cb-11d2-deb6-3054d97c4b20@gmail.com>

This is a resend,now that some of the list addressing problems have been 
sorted out - so sorry if you've seen this before.? If you are on BT, you 
probably still aren't seeing it, but I can't fix that.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Hi All

You've probably heard of the new data protection laws, called GPRD.?? 
Another list to which I belong recently sent me a long and pretentious 
email about how they would only protect me from ghoulies and ghosties if 
I signed the chit at the bottom of the email and returned it to them. 
Given that most people on that list aren't exactly computer savvy, this 
is presumably involving all in a complex and confusing exercise - "I 
don't have a printer", etc, etc.

I run Announce and Tech1 (two tech-ops mailing lists), also one for 
Pres, also one for ITTP.?? They run on a system called GNU Mailman, and 
the various ways that a subscriber can interact with that are well 
documented. Each holds a list of email addresses, and archives of all 
the messages, though only those sent for the last couple of months since 
we were forced to change server.? I'm not asking anyone to sign 
anything, I'm assuming that you want the lists as you are on them, but 
if you need more info just ask. Otherwise no reply needed.

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From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com  Thu May 10 11:11:49 2018
From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray)
Date: Thu, 10 May 2018 17:11:49 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Connections
Message-ID: <948e9ac7-3f1a-bb54-e503-ee6bdf9aac46@gmail.com>

Hi all,

Now that the horse puns have run their course:? the most famous punster 
in English Literature was Thomas Hood.? He wrote just about the most 
famous line in English Poetry:

His death, which happened in his berth,
 ? At forty-odd befell;
They went and told the sexton, and
 ? The sexton tolled the bell.

It's not just the puns that connect Thomas Hood with Tech Ops.


Thomas Hood was born on 23 May 1799 and died on 3 May 1845, and lived 
most of his adult life around the Wanstead area.

Howard Michaels kindly disorganises occasionally? at The George, 
Wanstead:? and inside The George pub there is a plaque commemorating 
this man:? the picture below shows roughly where the plaque is? (but 
there is *no* picture of it that I can find (yet))!

So we eat and drink where Thomas Hood may have dined.

In the ballad of "Faithless Sally Brown", Sally's suitor is press-ganged 
into the Navy:

"...For when your swain is in our boat
 ? A boatswain he will be.?

Ben sails away, and when he returns

He found she ?d got another Ben,
 ? Whose Christian-name was John.

Now, you may well know of another poem, by the equally famous author 
Anon, about a bloke sailing away on the high seas and leaving his woman 
behind:

Johnny Todd, he took a notion
 ?? For to cross the ocean wide
And he's left his own true love behind him
 ?? Walking by the Liverpool tide

Or you'll certainly know the tune: ? ? Dah Dah Dah, da da da Dee Dah

The "Z Cars" theme, of course.


Thomas Hood may also have anticipated another TV program: "Silent 
Witness" (although his poem was about Body Snatchers)

But from her grave in Mary-bone,
 ? They?ve come and boned your Mary.

I can?t tell where my head is gone,
 ? But Doctor Carpue can;???????????????????????????????????????????? 
(query: Doctor Nikki ?)
As for my trunk, it?s all packed up
 ? To go by Pickford?s van.


Enjoy ...

-- 

Best Regards

Alec

Alec Bray

alec.bray.2 at gmail.com
mob:     07789 561 346
home:  0118 942 9543

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From ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com  Fri May 11 02:58:46 2018
From: ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com (Ravenscourt)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2018 08:58:46 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] The B word
Message-ID: <373361B1-183B-4F57-80E9-A92CA9AF7FBD@btinternet.com>

I think we should as a group campaign for NOT leaving the EU!

I went to a meeting about economic redevelopment of our social economy and without being part of the EU we will not be able to revolutionise the gap between society and young and old getting older. We need to be part of a larger economic group today. We were also lied to by those who thought we could go it alone. Where is that NHS money for instance. 

Sent from my iPhone


From barrybonner119 at btinternet.com  Fri May 11 03:19:29 2018
From: barrybonner119 at btinternet.com (Barry Bonner)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2018 09:19:29 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] The B word
In-Reply-To: <373361B1-183B-4F57-80E9-A92CA9AF7FBD@btinternet.com>
References: <373361B1-183B-4F57-80E9-A92CA9AF7FBD@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <2A91B4D5-C297-4688-B76D-44CEF53C6EC8@btinternet.com>

Albert,
	Why would you assume that "we as a group" are against Brexit?
Barry.

On 11 May 2018, at 08:58, Ravenscourt via Tech1 wrote:

I think we should as a group campaign for NOT leaving the EU!

I went to a meeting about economic redevelopment of our social economy and without being part of the EU we will not be able to revolutionise the gap between society and young and old getting older. We need to be part of a larger economic group today. We were also lied to by those who thought we could go it alone. Where is that NHS money for instance. 

Sent from my iPhone

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From j at howell61.f9.co.uk  Fri May 11 04:00:50 2018
From: j at howell61.f9.co.uk (John Howell)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2018 10:00:50 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] The B word
In-Reply-To: <2A91B4D5-C297-4688-B76D-44CEF53C6EC8@btinternet.com>
References: <373361B1-183B-4F57-80E9-A92CA9AF7FBD@btinternet.com>
	<2A91B4D5-C297-4688-B76D-44CEF53C6EC8@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <3f916206-1e19-873c-d634-50fca3edcc20@howell61.f9.co.uk>

"we as a group" could also say this is not the right place for this kind 
of discussion.

John H.


On 11/05/2018 09:19, Barry Bonner via Tech1 wrote:
> Albert,
> Why would you assume that "we as a group" are against Brexit?
> Barry.
>
> On 11 May 2018, at 08:58, Ravenscourt via Tech1 wrote:
>
> I think we should as a group campaign for NOT leaving the EU!
>
> I went to a meeting about economic redevelopment of our social economy 
> and without being part of the EU we will not be able to revolutionise 
> the gap between society and young and old getting older. We need to be 
> part of a larger economic group today. We were also lied to by those 
> who thought we could go it alone. Where is that NHS money for instance.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
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From jccglass at gmail.com  Fri May 11 04:01:03 2018
From: jccglass at gmail.com (Chris on gmail)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2018 10:01:03 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] The B word
References: <373361B1-183B-4F57-80E9-A92CA9AF7FBD@btinternet.com>
	<2A91B4D5-C297-4688-B76D-44CEF53C6EC8@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <3282B606011543E5AFBCF5AC24575A47@dell9100>

keep brexit OFF LIST
its bad enough to have fervant for and against at home!

chris


From peter.neill at icloud.com  Fri May 11 04:04:19 2018
From: peter.neill at icloud.com (Peter Neill)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2018 10:04:19 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] The B word
In-Reply-To: <3f916206-1e19-873c-d634-50fca3edcc20@howell61.f9.co.uk>
References: <373361B1-183B-4F57-80E9-A92CA9AF7FBD@btinternet.com>
	<2A91B4D5-C297-4688-B76D-44CEF53C6EC8@btinternet.com>
	<3f916206-1e19-873c-d634-50fca3edcc20@howell61.f9.co.uk>
Message-ID: <C6B28103-A4FE-47E8-80E8-8F4915917648@icloud.com>

Hear, Hear.


Peter 





> On 11 May 2018, at 10:00, John Howell via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> "we as a group" could also say this is not the right place for this kind of discussion.
> 
> John H.
> 
> 
> On 11/05/2018 09:19, Barry Bonner via Tech1 wrote:
>> Albert,
>> 	Why would you assume that "we as a group" are against Brexit?
>> Barry.
>> 
>> On 11 May 2018, at 08:58, Ravenscourt via Tech1 wrote:
>> 
>> I think we should as a group campaign for NOT leaving the EU!
>> 
>> I went to a meeting about economic redevelopment of our social economy and without being part of the EU we will not be able to revolutionise the gap between society and young and old getting older. We need to be part of a larger economic group today. We were also lied to by those who thought we could go it alone. Where is that NHS money for instance. 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> -- 
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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Fri May 11 04:22:06 2018
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2018 10:22:06 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] The B word
In-Reply-To: <3282B606011543E5AFBCF5AC24575A47@dell9100>
References: <373361B1-183B-4F57-80E9-A92CA9AF7FBD@btinternet.com>
	<2A91B4D5-C297-4688-B76D-44CEF53C6EC8@btinternet.com>
	<3282B606011543E5AFBCF5AC24575A47@dell9100>
Message-ID: <413a2a90-18bc-9282-a937-9c5f1b4d8bdc@ntlworld.com>

I tend to agree with that - there are places for politics and places for 
no politics.

I have to admit, though, to breaking that sentiment back before the 
referendum, when I ran an informal anonymous poll on the list. It isn't 
a thing that I would have tried at a normal election, but this was yes 
or no, and it was just out of curiosity. It turned out that using the 
first past the post rule of the real referendum, "This House Believes 
that we should leave the EU".??? It was 50 something to 40 something of 
those who voted.

So - subject closed by moderator.

B



On 11/05/2018 10:01, Chris on gmail via Tech1 wrote:
> keep brexit OFF LIST
> its bad enough to have fervant for and against at home!
>
> chris
>

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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Fri May 11 04:22:23 2018
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2018 10:22:23 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] The B word
In-Reply-To: <3282B606011543E5AFBCF5AC24575A47@dell9100>
References: <373361B1-183B-4F57-80E9-A92CA9AF7FBD@btinternet.com>
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I tend to agree with that - there are places for politics and places for 
no politics.

I have to admit, though, to breaking that sentiment back before the 
referendum, when I ran an informal anonymous poll on the list. It isn't 
a thing that I would have tried at a normal election, but this was yes 
or no, and it was just out of curiosity. It turned out that using the 
first past the post rule of the real referendum, "This House Believes 
that we should leave the EU".??? It was 50 something to 40 something of 
those who voted.

So - subject closed by moderator.

B



On 11/05/2018 10:01, Chris on gmail via Tech1 wrote:
> keep brexit OFF LIST
> its bad enough to have fervant for and against at home!
>
> chris
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From mail at terrymeadowcroft.co.uk  Fri May 11 14:53:50 2018
From: mail at terrymeadowcroft.co.uk (terrymeadowcroft)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2018 20:53:50 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Fw:  The B word
Message-ID: <65200228244741CCAAD8DF3318E59B0C@MEDDIES2012>


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "terrymeadowcroft" <mail at terrymeadowcroft.co.uk>
To: "Chris on gmail" <jccglass at gmail.com>
Sent: Friday, May 11, 2018 10:53 AM
Subject: Re: [Tech1] The B word


> Hear, hear!
> 
> Terry
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Chris on gmail via Tech1" <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> To: <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> Sent: Friday, May 11, 2018 10:01 AM
> Subject: Re: [Tech1] The B word
> 
> 
>> keep brexit OFF LIST
>> its bad enough to have fervant for and against at home!
>> 
>> chris
>> 
>> -- 
>> Tech1 mailing list
>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk


From geoffletch at gmail.com  Sat May 12 02:54:02 2018
From: geoffletch at gmail.com (Geoff Fletcher)
Date: Sat, 12 May 2018 08:54:02 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Fw: The B word
In-Reply-To: <65200228244741CCAAD8DF3318E59B0C@MEDDIES2012>
References: <65200228244741CCAAD8DF3318E59B0C@MEDDIES2012>
Message-ID: <CAB99AB_Mo_6wVwqydB=xe=nHU-z_d=RjX8TzWyDyDQLVxytaGA@mail.gmail.com>

Not the forum for Brexit discussions!
GeoffF

On Fri, 11 May 2018 at 20:54, terrymeadowcroft via Tech1 <
tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "terrymeadowcroft" <mail at terrymeadowcroft.co.uk>
> To: "Chris on gmail" <jccglass at gmail.com>
> Sent: Friday, May 11, 2018 10:53 AM
> Subject: Re: [Tech1] The B word
>
>
> > Hear, hear!
> >
> > Terry
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Chris on gmail via Tech1" <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> > To: <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> > Sent: Friday, May 11, 2018 10:01 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Tech1] The B word
> >
> >
> >> keep brexit OFF LIST
> >> its bad enough to have fervant for and against at home!
> >>
> >> chris
> >>
> >> --
> >> Tech1 mailing list
> >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk
>
> --
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> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk
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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Sat May 12 03:58:08 2018
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Sat, 12 May 2018 09:58:08 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Fw: The B word
In-Reply-To: <CAB99AB_Mo_6wVwqydB=xe=nHU-z_d=RjX8TzWyDyDQLVxytaGA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <65200228244741CCAAD8DF3318E59B0C@MEDDIES2012>
	<CAB99AB_Mo_6wVwqydB=xe=nHU-z_d=RjX8TzWyDyDQLVxytaGA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <69a85442-022d-983f-41cf-b2246d3cb199@gmail.com>

I could start brexit at tech-ops.co.ukif there's a group of people who want 
to discuss that stuff in the privacy of their own forum

B



On 12/05/2018 08:54, Geoff Fletcher via Tech1 wrote:
> Not the forum for Brexit discussions!
> GeoffF
>
> On Fri, 11 May 2018 at 20:54, terrymeadowcroft via Tech1 
> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:
>
>
>     ----- Original Message -----
>     From: "terrymeadowcroft" <mail at terrymeadowcroft.co.uk
>     <mailto:mail at terrymeadowcroft.co.uk>>
>     To: "Chris on gmail" <jccglass at gmail.com <mailto:jccglass at gmail.com>>
>     Sent: Friday, May 11, 2018 10:53 AM
>     Subject: Re: [Tech1] The B word
>
>
>     > Hear, hear!
>     >
>     > Terry
>     >
>     > ----- Original Message -----
>     > From: "Chris on gmail via Tech1" <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>     <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>>
>     > To: <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>>
>     > Sent: Friday, May 11, 2018 10:01 AM
>     > Subject: Re: [Tech1] The B word
>     >
>     >
>     >> keep brexit OFF LIST
>     >> its bad enough to have fervant for and against at home!
>     >>
>     >> chris
>     >>
>     >> --
>     >> Tech1 mailing list
>     >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
>     >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk
>
>     -- 
>     Tech1 mailing list
>     Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
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From dave at davesound.co.uk  Sat May 12 04:12:43 2018
From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman)
Date: Sat, 12 May 2018 10:12:43 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Fw: The B word
In-Reply-To: <69a85442-022d-983f-41cf-b2246d3cb199@gmail.com>
References: <65200228244741CCAAD8DF3318E59B0C@MEDDIES2012>
	<CAB99AB_Mo_6wVwqydB=xe=nHU-z_d=RjX8TzWyDyDQLVxytaGA@mail.gmail.com>
	<69a85442-022d-983f-41cf-b2246d3cb199@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <56f6f62e63dave@davesound.co.uk>

In article <69a85442-022d-983f-41cf-b2246d3cb199 at gmail.com>,
   Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> I could start brexit at tech-ops.co.ukif there's a group of people who want 
> to discuss that stuff in the privacy of their own forum

One way to get previous friends at one another's throats. ;-)

-- 
*Gun Control: Use both hands.

    Dave Plowman     dave at davesound.co.uk     London SW 12
    


From dave at davesound.co.uk  Sat May 12 04:22:05 2018
From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman)
Date: Sat, 12 May 2018 10:22:05 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] BBC1 News titles.
Message-ID: <56f6f709d2dave@davesound.co.uk>

Wondered if anyone still working in this area could explain something for
me?

The BBC 1 main news bulletins start out then go to a music bed for the
headlines, then go back to the main theme after the headlines to get a
clean end to the music.

Once, this was seamless. Now sounds like a bad edit. So wondered why?

Was it once a pre-record package allowing a decent music edit, and now
done live?  

It's one of these things which grates every time I hear it.

-- 
*War does not determine who is right - only who is left.

    Dave Plowman     dave at davesound.co.uk     London SW 12
    


From barrybonner119 at btinternet.com  Sat May 12 04:29:09 2018
From: barrybonner119 at btinternet.com (Barry Bonner)
Date: Sat, 12 May 2018 10:29:09 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] BBC1 News titles.
In-Reply-To: <56f6f709d2dave@davesound.co.uk>
References: <56f6f709d2dave@davesound.co.uk>
Message-ID: <F4ACE006-C6E3-4744-A76C-03852DB786A5@btinternet.com>

Journalists, that's why!
Barry.

On 12 May 2018, at 10:22, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote:

Wondered if anyone still working in this area could explain something for
me?

The BBC 1 main news bulletins start out then go to a music bed for the
headlines, then go back to the main theme after the headlines to get a
clean end to the music.

Once, this was seamless. Now sounds like a bad edit. So wondered why?

Was it once a pre-record package allowing a decent music edit, and now
done live?  

It's one of these things which grates every time I hear it.

-- 
*War does not determine who is right - only who is left.

   Dave Plowman     dave at davesound.co.uk     London SW 12


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From peter.neill at icloud.com  Sat May 12 05:10:28 2018
From: peter.neill at icloud.com (Peter Neill)
Date: Sat, 12 May 2018 11:10:28 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] BBC1 News titles.
In-Reply-To: <56f6f709d2dave@davesound.co.uk>
References: <56f6f709d2dave@davesound.co.uk>
Message-ID: <96662C7E-FA9F-4D78-9A52-F16BBBD5FB8E@icloud.com>

Are you watching in HD or SD? i.e. is the last headline sport from Salford, or a BBC London local head?






> On 12 May 2018, at 10:22, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:
> 
> Wondered if anyone still working in this area could explain something for
> me?
> 
> The BBC 1 main news bulletins start out then go to a music bed for the
> headlines, then go back to the main theme after the headlines to get a
> clean end to the music.
> 
> Once, this was seamless. Now sounds like a bad edit. So wondered why?
> 
> Was it once a pre-record package allowing a decent music edit, and now
> done live?  
> 
> It's one of these things which grates every time I hear it.
> 
> -- 
> *War does not determine who is right - only who is left.
> 
>    Dave Plowman     dave at davesound.co.uk <mailto:dave at davesound.co.uk>     London SW 12
> 
> 
> -- 
> Tech1 mailing list
> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> http://track.smtpserver.email/20919/c?p=G0mxZ9Sy6MeQf6YJDF2HdA_iVsYyzf7wmoH9d5F5AtSzfDNyG-Zj-1jK2TtF5gcv9diQk46Cc4AUb9SpmjGvjdujfh81N0eZSbR4T7N3eR-jRQy2RlItVyToOFQtdwfvLavQcCpAnb0BlhddEnzSbCbRtpb04mGhIIbNkQwPfYE=

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From peter.neill at icloud.com  Sat May 12 05:10:28 2018
From: peter.neill at icloud.com (Peter Neill)
Date: Sat, 12 May 2018 11:10:28 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] BBC1 News titles.
In-Reply-To: <56f6f709d2dave@davesound.co.uk>
References: <56f6f709d2dave@davesound.co.uk>
Message-ID: <E3CBD08E-D810-4D2D-B5FE-E6569CCB7AEA@icloud.com>

Are you watching in HD or SD? i.e. is the last headline sport from Salford, or a BBC London local head?






> On 12 May 2018, at 10:22, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Wondered if anyone still working in this area could explain something for
> me?
> 
> The BBC 1 main news bulletins start out then go to a music bed for the
> headlines, then go back to the main theme after the headlines to get a
> clean end to the music.
> 
> Once, this was seamless. Now sounds like a bad edit. So wondered why?
> 
> Was it once a pre-record package allowing a decent music edit, and now
> done live?  
> 
> It's one of these things which grates every time I hear it.
> 
> -- 
> *War does not determine who is right - only who is left.
> 
>    Dave Plowman     dave at davesound.co.uk     London SW 12
> 
> 
> -- 
> Tech1 mailing list
> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> http://track.smtpserver.email/20919/c?p=3b-zd__dCZzr8c2hMECbNcHEuCpCAeQYRw2O2q3V9i93wh3VvgrSuSouSLWinc2o-1ovIUVnY8AO0pWpwFfDv_KNOyqN41SWdw0ZSCqfDogSn8hctlhKZiJjldzaS1jcCqinEb0EsYNsE79UjpGmvWP-P31A3gvTVBHHgwMsjFs=

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From rogerbunce at btinternet.com  Sat May 12 05:48:24 2018
From: rogerbunce at btinternet.com (ROGER BUNCE)
Date: Sat, 12 May 2018 10:48:24 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tech1] Fw: The B word
In-Reply-To: <56f6f62e63dave@davesound.co.uk>
References: <65200228244741CCAAD8DF3318E59B0C@MEDDIES2012>
	<CAB99AB_Mo_6wVwqydB=xe=nHU-z_d=RjX8TzWyDyDQLVxytaGA@mail.gmail.com>
	<69a85442-022d-983f-41cf-b2246d3cb199@gmail.com>
	<56f6f62e63dave@davesound.co.uk>
Message-ID: <662061349.747249.1526122104018@mail.yahoo.com>

I may have misremembered this, but didn't Bernie conduct a straw poll, via this mailing list, prior to the Brexit vote, and get a result which was prophetically similar to the outcome of the actual referendum? At least, it was more accurate than anything the official polling organisations could manage. It would seem that we old techies are a representative sample of the British population as a whole - something the overpaid journalists in the BBC newsroom cannot claim. Maybe we should hire ourselves out to them, for polling purposes.
luv, Rog.
      From: Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk 
 Sent: Saturday, 12 May 2018, 10:25
 Subject: Re: [Tech1] Fw: The B word
   
In article <69a85442-022d-983f-41cf-b2246d3cb199 at gmail.com>,
? Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> I could start brexit at tech-ops.co.ukif there's a group of people who want 
> to discuss that stuff in the privacy of their own forum

One way to get previous friends at one another's throats. ;-)

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? ? Dave Plowman? ? dave at davesound.co.uk? ? London SW 12
? ? 

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From dave at davesound.co.uk  Sat May 12 06:52:49 2018
From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman)
Date: Sat, 12 May 2018 12:52:49 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] BBC1 News titles.
In-Reply-To: <E3CBD08E-D810-4D2D-B5FE-E6569CCB7AEA@icloud.com>
References: <56f6f709d2dave@davesound.co.uk>
	<E3CBD08E-D810-4D2D-B5FE-E6569CCB7AEA@icloud.com>
Message-ID: <56f704d6dddave@davesound.co.uk>

In article <E3CBD08E-D810-4D2D-B5FE-E6569CCB7AEA at icloud.com>,
   Peter Neill via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> Are you watching in HD or SD? i.e. is the last headline sport from
> Salford, or a BBC London local head?

Could be either, Peter - I take it you mean and opt out and back? I'll
check and see if there is a difference. But it's a (relatively) recent
thing.

-- 
*"I am " is reportedly the shortest sentence in the English language. *

    Dave Plowman     dave at davesound.co.uk     London SW 12
    


From dave at davesound.co.uk  Sat May 12 06:57:55 2018
From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman)
Date: Sat, 12 May 2018 12:57:55 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Fw: The B word
In-Reply-To: <662061349.747249.1526122104018@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <65200228244741CCAAD8DF3318E59B0C@MEDDIES2012>
	<CAB99AB_Mo_6wVwqydB=xe=nHU-z_d=RjX8TzWyDyDQLVxytaGA@mail.gmail.com>
	<69a85442-022d-983f-41cf-b2246d3cb199@gmail.com>
	<56f6f62e63dave@davesound.co.uk>
	<662061349.747249.1526122104018@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <56f7054e79dave@davesound.co.uk>

In article <662061349.747249.1526122104018 at mail.yahoo.com>,
   ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> I may have misremembered this, but didn't Bernie conduct a straw poll,
> via this mailing list, prior to the Brexit vote, and get a result which
> was prophetically similar to the outcome of the actual referendum? At
> least, it was more accurate than anything the official polling
> organisations could manage. It would seem that we old techies are a
> representative sample of the British population as a whole - something
> the overpaid journalists in the BBC newsroom cannot claim. Maybe we
> should hire ourselves out to them, for polling purposes. luv, Rog.

Interesting. But we're also largely London based as it were, which voted
very differently from the majority. 

I'm quite fascinated by the accepted view that oldies wanted out and
swayed the vote. It goes completely against my own experience.

-- 
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    Dave Plowman     dave at davesound.co.uk     London SW 12
    


From barrybonner119 at btinternet.com  Sat May 12 07:12:43 2018
From: barrybonner119 at btinternet.com (Barry Bonner)
Date: Sat, 12 May 2018 13:12:43 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] BBC1 News titles.
In-Reply-To: <56f704d6dddave@davesound.co.uk>
References: <56f6f709d2dave@davesound.co.uk>
	<E3CBD08E-D810-4D2D-B5FE-E6569CCB7AEA@icloud.com>
	<56f704d6dddave@davesound.co.uk>
Message-ID: <1ADA8A38-0544-4D7D-A35A-8194F949F44C@btinternet.com>

I noticed it on HD.
Barry.

On 12 May 2018, at 12:52, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote:

In article <E3CBD08E-D810-4D2D-B5FE-E6569CCB7AEA at icloud.com>,
  Peter Neill via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> Are you watching in HD or SD? i.e. is the last headline sport from
> Salford, or a BBC London local head?

Could be either, Peter - I take it you mean and opt out and back? I'll
check and see if there is a difference. But it's a (relatively) recent
thing.

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*"I am " is reportedly the shortest sentence in the English language. *

   Dave Plowman     dave at davesound.co.uk     London SW 12


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From graeme.wall at icloud.com  Sat May 12 08:31:59 2018
From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall)
Date: Sat, 12 May 2018 14:31:59 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] BBC1 News titles.
In-Reply-To: <56f704d6dddave@davesound.co.uk>
References: <56f6f709d2dave@davesound.co.uk>
	<E3CBD08E-D810-4D2D-B5FE-E6569CCB7AEA@icloud.com>
	<56f704d6dddave@davesound.co.uk>
Message-ID: <DC3634B7-EE8B-4FB1-A065-1FA540343C23@icloud.com>






> On 12 May 2018, at 12:52, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> *"I am " is reportedly the shortest sentence in the English language. *

And ?I do.? is reportedly the longest.

? 
Graeme Wall


From bernie833 at gmail.com  Sat May 12 08:46:42 2018
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Sat, 12 May 2018 14:46:42 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Fw: The B word
In-Reply-To: <56f7054e79dave@davesound.co.uk>
References: <65200228244741CCAAD8DF3318E59B0C@MEDDIES2012>
	<CAB99AB_Mo_6wVwqydB=xe=nHU-z_d=RjX8TzWyDyDQLVxytaGA@mail.gmail.com>
	<69a85442-022d-983f-41cf-b2246d3cb199@gmail.com>
	<56f6f62e63dave@davesound.co.uk>
	<662061349.747249.1526122104018@mail.yahoo.com>
	<56f7054e79dave@davesound.co.uk>
Message-ID: <b3630775-eedd-f202-0233-79b944a71c11@gmail.com>

It took me ages to find this, the result of our straw poll.

It seemed to methat the referendum wasn't at all part of the usual 
Labour/ Conservative stuff, but something long term that would maybe 
change our lives.? We did get close to reflecting the actual outcome - a 
few more points for Brexit than the real one.

Question - "Should the UK remain a member of the EU?"



On 12/05/2018 12:57, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote:
> In article <662061349.747249.1526122104018 at mail.yahoo.com>,
>     ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> I may have misremembered this, but didn't Bernie conduct a straw poll,
>> via this mailing list, prior to the Brexit vote, and get a result which
>> was prophetically similar to the outcome of the actual referendum? At
>> least, it was more accurate than anything the official polling
>> organisations could manage. It would seem that we old techies are a
>> representative sample of the British population as a whole - something
>> the overpaid journalists in the BBC newsroom cannot claim. Maybe we
>> should hire ourselves out to them, for polling purposes. luv, Rog.
> Interesting. But we're also largely London based as it were, which voted
> very differently from the majority.
>
> I'm quite fascinated by the accepted view that oldies wanted out and
> swayed the vote. It goes completely against my own experience.
>

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From dave at davesound.co.uk  Sat May 12 10:08:29 2018
From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman)
Date: Sat, 12 May 2018 16:08:29 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] BBC1 News titles.
In-Reply-To: <DC3634B7-EE8B-4FB1-A065-1FA540343C23@icloud.com>
References: <56f6f709d2dave@davesound.co.uk>
	<E3CBD08E-D810-4D2D-B5FE-E6569CCB7AEA@icloud.com>
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	<DC3634B7-EE8B-4FB1-A065-1FA540343C23@icloud.com>
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In article <DC3634B7-EE8B-4FB1-A065-1FA540343C23 at icloud.com>,
   Graeme Wall <graeme.wall at icloud.com> wrote:
> > On 12 May 2018, at 12:52, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> > 
> > *"I am " is reportedly the shortest sentence in the English language. *

> And ?I do.? is reportedly the longest.


Yup. ;-)

The random tag selector on this newsreader only allows a one liner.

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From mikej at bmanor.co.uk  Sun May 13 03:41:47 2018
From: mikej at bmanor.co.uk (Mike Jordan)
Date: Sun, 13 May 2018 09:41:47 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Amazing site with magazines and handbooks
Message-ID: <76B7CB4D060D431CAEEC096C50116E57@Gigabyte>

A post on Facebook led to a Practical Television with articles abut TC (cover and pp 305-6)
http://www.americanradiohistory.com/Archive-Practical/Television/60s/Practical-Television-1960-03.pdf
and a page specifically to BBC publications
http://www.americanradiohistory.com/BBC_Publications.htm
and hundreds more including old BBC handbooks
http://www.americanradiohistory.com/BBC_YEAR_Book_Page_Key.htm

Keep you busy for HOURS or even DAYS

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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Sun May 13 04:57:19 2018
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Sun, 13 May 2018 10:57:19 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Birdcam
Message-ID: <093d4fc8-fdfd-bbd7-a0c3-42f9d876d7cb@gmail.com>

Ours are hatching today - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-TlFhNUqqA

We'd wondered whether the male has gone off with another woman, but I 
think he's been around in the last half hour.

B
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From pat.heigham at btinternet.com  Mon May 14 08:57:03 2018
From: pat.heigham at btinternet.com (patheigham)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2018 14:57:03 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Fw: The B word
In-Reply-To: <56f7054e79dave@davesound.co.uk>
References: <65200228244741CCAAD8DF3318E59B0C@MEDDIES2012><CAB99AB_Mo_6wVwqydB=xe=nHU-z_d=RjX8TzWyDyDQLVxytaGA@mail.gmail.com><69a85442-022d-983f-41cf-b2246d3cb199@gmail.com><56f6f62e63dave@davesound.co.uk><662061349.747249.1526122104018@mail.yahoo.com>
	<56f7054e79dave@davesound.co.uk>
Message-ID: <823D8AD557984418BA7763ACE71AE276@PATRICKSONY>

Having now suffered listening to the long-winded ramifications
of politicians arguing all the points for and against leaving the EU,
I feel that the referendum was mounted much in haste, likened to
a court case where most of the evidence was suppressed.
Thus the poor voting public had the wool pulled, as all the
facts were not presented.

I am reminded of a film I worked on: "The Rise and Rise of
Michael Rimmer" starring Peter Cook.
This was a story about a rising politician who believed in
giving the electorate a vote on 'every' decision made by
government.
Eventually, the populace got fed up with filling in numerous
surveys, and left it all up to the PM (Rimmer, by that time)
so he virtually became Dictator.
A brilliant satire!

Pat


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave Plowman via Tech1" <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
To: <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2018 12:57 PM
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Fw: The B word


> In article <662061349.747249.1526122104018 at mail.yahoo.com>,
>   ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> I may have misremembered this, but didn't Bernie conduct a straw poll,
>> via this mailing list, prior to the Brexit vote, and get a result which
>> was prophetically similar to the outcome of the actual referendum? At
>> least, it was more accurate than anything the official polling
>> organisations could manage. It would seem that we old techies are a
>> representative sample of the British population as a whole - something
>> the overpaid journalists in the BBC newsroom cannot claim. Maybe we
>> should hire ourselves out to them, for polling purposes. luv, Rog.
> 
> Interesting. But we're also largely London based as it were, which voted
> very differently from the majority. 
> 
> I'm quite fascinated by the accepted view that oldies wanted out and
> swayed the vote. It goes completely against my own experience.
> 
>    Dave Plowman     dave at davesound.co.uk     London SW 12


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From johnhcox at gmail.com  Mon May 14 12:01:13 2018
From: johnhcox at gmail.com (John Cox)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2018 18:01:13 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Birdcam
Message-ID: <5af9c0dc.1c69fb81.8eb55.59a4@mx.google.com>


Bernard, thank you for streaming ?live? feeds from your birdcam. It is fascinating to watch both birds the male feeding the female and then the mother offering the titbit to the chick and also eating the egg shell. I have spent most of the day keeping out of the sun watching the laptop hooked up to a 36inch TV. The pictures although from the same birdbox appear to be different on the IPad.  I have learnt a lot more about birds today.  John Cox.
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From alawrance1 at me.com  Mon May 14 13:35:08 2018
From: alawrance1 at me.com (Alasdair Lawrance)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2018 19:35:08 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Digital motor
Message-ID: <CC5DB687-19EF-476C-BB52-2F0FEEDEED7B@me.com>

Lord Dyson of Vacuuming is advertising his new device as having a "powerful digital motor".  

Anyone got any idea what this might actually mean? Or is it just advertising brain-fart?

Alasdair Lawrance

Sent from my iPad2

From davidvbrunt at gmail.com  Mon May 14 13:46:23 2018
From: davidvbrunt at gmail.com (David Brunt)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2018 19:46:23 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Digital motor
In-Reply-To: <CC5DB687-19EF-476C-BB52-2F0FEEDEED7B@me.com>
References: <CC5DB687-19EF-476C-BB52-2F0FEEDEED7B@me.com>
Message-ID: <AF9346B53E7A4107AF616AA14F62E280@AdminPC>

You turn it on with one finger?



-----Original Message----- 
From: Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1
Sent: Monday, May 14, 2018 7:35 PM
To: Tech Ops List
Subject: [Tech1] Digital motor

Lord Dyson of Vacuuming is advertising his new device as having a "powerful 
digital motor".

Anyone got any idea what this might actually mean? Or is it just advertising 
brain-fart?

Alasdair Lawrance

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From clivegulliver2 at talktalk.net  Mon May 14 14:09:12 2018
From: clivegulliver2 at talktalk.net (Clive Gulliver)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2018 20:09:12 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Digital motor
In-Reply-To: <AF9346B53E7A4107AF616AA14F62E280@AdminPC>
References: <CC5DB687-19EF-476C-BB52-2F0FEEDEED7B@me.com>
	<AF9346B53E7A4107AF616AA14F62E280@AdminPC>
Message-ID: <304D17E2E63C4397903CBBF37FB03284@CliveHP>

I think there is a new motor technology whereby DC is digitally converted to 
3-phase AC so providing a brushless, no commutator system.

Clive G
-----Original Message----- 
From: David Brunt via Tech1
Sent: Monday, May 14, 2018 7:46 PM
To: Alasdair Lawrance ; Tech Ops List
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Digital motor

You turn it on with one finger?



-----Original Message----- 
From: Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1
Sent: Monday, May 14, 2018 7:35 PM
To: Tech Ops List
Subject: [Tech1] Digital motor

Lord Dyson of Vacuuming is advertising his new device as having a "powerful
digital motor".

Anyone got any idea what this might actually mean? Or is it just advertising
brain-fart?

Alasdair Lawrance

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From waresound at msn.com  Mon May 14 15:18:45 2018
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2018 20:18:45 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Digital motor
In-Reply-To: <CC5DB687-19EF-476C-BB52-2F0FEEDEED7B@me.com>
References: <CC5DB687-19EF-476C-BB52-2F0FEEDEED7B@me.com>
Message-ID: <DB7P192MB03136E04FC869089B479D3F2A79C0@DB7P192MB0313.EURP192.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

Google ?Dyson digital motor?. It?s all there to see.
Cheers,
Nick.

Sent from my iPad

On 14 May 2018, at 20:36, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk<mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:

Lord Dyson of Vacuuming is advertising his new device as having a "powerful digital motor".

Anyone got any idea what this might actually mean? Or is it just advertising brain-fart?

Alasdair Lawrance

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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Thu May 17 04:33:53 2018
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Thu, 17 May 2018 10:33:53 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Birdcam and stuff
Message-ID: <d0ce3184-9c06-c260-15b6-f8654afda8f3@gmail.com>

Our broadband has been out for three days. Apparently someone "damaged 
the cable".?? There's so much stuff under the pavements these days that 
isn't a surprise- though I was slightly surprised at just how much our 
household has come to rely on it. We're lucky enough to have high speed 
broadband - 150Mbps, though it's only running at about 80 this morning. 
Perhaps the cable isn't currently as thick as normal.?? Having such a 
reliable - generally - and fast resource has spoilt us. We reach for it 
at every turn for all kinds of things, and suddenly we couldn't. And 
people expect you to be pretty much instantly accessible by email, or 
Whatsapp, or whatever.? We were cut off from civilisation in sunny Surrey.

Here are the birds again.? It's day six. On day one when I looked and 
they'd just hatchedthey looked pretty shell shocked and flopped around 
mostly. Day 2 and they're grown hair, and the heads were coming up when 
a parent arrived. Now their yellow beaks are a big part of their bodies, 
and you get the full display of open mouths.? Will they live to fledge? 
Who knows.

https://youtu.be/CNpdMq1Xwnw

cheers

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From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk  Thu May 17 04:47:44 2018
From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf)
Date: Thu, 17 May 2018 10:47:44 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Birdcam and stuff
In-Reply-To: <d0ce3184-9c06-c260-15b6-f8654afda8f3@gmail.com>
References: <d0ce3184-9c06-c260-15b6-f8654afda8f3@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <d330f80f-7e26-7f02-18d4-3e85ef10f4ec@chriswoolf.co.uk>

You're fortunate - you at least have the option of fast broadband most 
of the time.

Many of us have minimal connections - <6Mbs - and due to rural overhead 
lines, are subject to outages because of tree-rubs, squirrels and plain 
ordinary bad weather. Rain gets into connectors and the wind damages 
lines and poles.

Successive governments mutter about making things better, and giving 
minimum data rates - they even suggest 10Mbs as a base level.

We could, of course, have had fibre-to-premises ages ago if any 
government (starting with the benighted Thatcher) had been willing to 
underwrite it, and had a far more productive and educated country as a 
result. We might even have had a better grasp of what was involved with 
referenda...

Chris Woolf


On 17/05/2018 10:33, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote:
> Our broadband has been out for three days. Apparently someone "damaged 
> the cable".?? There's so much stuff under the pavements these days 
> that isn't a surprise- though I was slightly surprised at just how 
> much our household has come to rely on it. We're lucky enough to have 
> high speed broadband - 150Mbps, though it's only running at about 80 
> this morning. Perhaps the cable isn't currently as thick as normal.?? 
> Having such a reliable - generally - and fast resource has spoilt us. 
> We reach for it at every turn for all kinds of things, and suddenly we 
> couldn't. And people expect you to be pretty much instantly accessible 
> by email, or Whatsapp, or whatever.? We were cut off from civilisation 
> in sunny Surrey.
>
> Here are the birds again.? It's day six. On day one when I looked and 
> they'd just hatchedthey looked pretty shell shocked and flopped around 
> mostly. Day 2 and they're grown hair, and the heads were coming up 
> when a parent arrived. Now their yellow beaks are a big part of their 
> bodies, and you get the full display of open mouths.? Will they live 
> to fledge? Who knows.
>
> https://youtu.be/CNpdMq1Xwnw
>
> cheers
>
> B
>
>
>
>



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From johnhcox at gmail.com  Thu May 17 09:35:01 2018
From: johnhcox at gmail.com (John Cox)
Date: Thu, 17 May 2018 15:35:01 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Space 1961
Message-ID: <5afd930e.1c69fb81.785b8.b2f6@mx.google.com>

 On May 15th2018 BBC Four repeated ? The 21st-Century Race for Space?
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               The first of three Russian Exhibitions was held in July 1961 at Earls Court London.  
It was to demonstrate the many technical and domestic achievements of the Russians up to that time.

 In April 1961 Yuri Gagarin had become the first human in space and was invited to the exhibition to give an interview to the people of Great Britain. The interview was held in one of two long narrow rooms at the top of the building. One room was used as an echo chamber for many BBC programmes during the exhibition. The ?echo? chamber consisted of a very long narrow room with an omnidirectional microphone (stc4035) at one end and a loudspeaker(L S U 10) at the other. These rooms were very quiet and a long way from the visitors downstairs.
 In the other room about sixty chairs were set  with a passageway down the middle and the cosmonaut at the far end, seated on the inside halfway down was the well known and fierce Russian Ambassador to Great Britain who guarded the proceedings carefully. 
 In those days stage managers rarely came out to O Bs, their job was left to the sound assistant who could fix any technical problems that occurred he was also in touch with the mobile control room (scanner) via a long paired wired headphones (cans). 
That was my job on this occasion and so I had complete control on this recording. I cued the interview to start not able to understand a word they were saying when I gradually thought ? I wonder if I could get his autograph? I only had a diary and pencil with me! The interview finished and I immediately put my diary in front of Yuri and indicated that he should sign it. When the journalists saw this pandemonium broke out they were all searching for any scrap of paper to get an autograph, many of the authors were well known persons, but naturally we had technical trouble and had to record part of the interview again, Yuri and I had difficulty in restoring order to the mob. 
?.To Alex. I kept many of my diaries over the years but that one for 1961 I put somewhere special and promptly lost it, ah well!



































  
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From pat.heigham at btinternet.com  Thu May 17 10:52:12 2018
From: pat.heigham at btinternet.com (patheigham)
Date: Thu, 17 May 2018 16:52:12 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Space 1961
In-Reply-To: <5afd930e.1c69fb81.785b8.b2f6@mx.google.com>
References: <5afd930e.1c69fb81.785b8.b2f6@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <7B0084C402E14CA1B349343FB058FD4E@PATRICKSONY>

You were lucky on the autograph!
When at TVC we were 'forbidden' to franternise with the artistes.
So collecting an autograph was molto-naughty!
I noticed a difference when going out with the film unit
on outside locations, there was a rapport with the performers.
This was reinforced when I switched to the film industry.
Having worked with John Hurt (on The Naked Civil Servant)
he turned up for Alien - so he signed my book as: "The Naked
Civil Alien"!
Also got O.J. Simpson!

Best
Pat
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: John Cox via Tech1 
  To: Tech Ops Forum 
  Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2018 3:35 PM
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  That was my job on this occasion and so I had complete control on this recording. I cued the interview to start not able to understand a word they were saying when I gradually thought ? I wonder if I could get his autograph? I only had a diary and pencil with me! The interview finished and I immediately put my diary in front of Yuri and indicated that he should sign it. When the journalists saw this pandemonium broke out they were all searching for any scrap of paper to get an autograph, many of the authors were well known persons, but naturally we had technical trouble and had to record part of the interview again, Yuri and I had difficulty in restoring order to the mob. 

  ?.To Alex. I kept many of my diaries over the years but that one for 1961 I put somewhere special and promptly lost it, ah well!

   

   

   

   

   

   

   

   

   

   

   

   

   

   

   

   

   

   

   

   

   

   

   

   

   

   

   

   

   

   

   

   

   

   

   



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From mikej at bmanor.co.uk  Thu May 17 11:10:13 2018
From: mikej at bmanor.co.uk (Mike Jordan)
Date: Thu, 17 May 2018 17:10:13 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Space 1961
In-Reply-To: <5afd930e.1c69fb81.785b8.b2f6@mx.google.com>
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Message-ID: <D5D6B4A278CC4CAABD9B9F935447A3A6@Gigabyte>

John

If you get another job at Earls Court in the next few weeks, transport is easy as the lady in both the Piccadilly and District lines says ?Alight here for the Earls Court Exhibition Centre? despite it having been razed to the ground, the front entrance gone and the biggest crane in Europe (apparently) used to lift the concrete slabs over the tube lines!

I suspect the LOCO terminations there have also long gone! These were in the GPO room in the basement next to the swimming pool/Boat Show pool.

he he!

Mike

From: John Cox via Tech1 
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2018 3:35 PM
To: Tech Ops Forum 
Subject: [Tech1] Space 1961

On May 15th2018 BBC Four repeated ? The 21st-Century Race for Space?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               The first of three Russian Exhibitions was held in July 1961 at Earls Court London.  

It was to demonstrate the many technical and domestic achievements of the Russians up to that time.

 
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From patheigham at amps.net  Thu May 17 11:52:15 2018
From: patheigham at amps.net (patrickheigham)
Date: Thu, 17 May 2018 17:52:15 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Space 1961
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	<D5D6B4A278CC4CAABD9B9F935447A3A6@Gigabyte>
Message-ID: <FECDA44D607D460988433A216387DA0C@PATRICKSONY>

How long before James May builds the crane in Meccano?

Pat
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Mike Jordan via Tech1 
  To: John Cox ; Tech Ops Forum 
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  the biggest crane in Europe (apparently) used to lift the concrete slabs over the tube lines!

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From alawrance1 at me.com  Sat May 19 10:36:23 2018
From: alawrance1 at me.com (Alasdair Lawrance)
Date: Sat, 19 May 2018 16:36:23 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] BWBF
Message-ID: <DC9CE1AE-2B63-42E1-BD3B-047017EAB82E@me.com>

Thought for the day -

?One would have thought wireless was made for the blind.  We cannot rescue them from darkness, but we can rescue them from silence?.

That?s from Sir Winston Churchill in the first ever Christmas appeal for the British Wireless for the Blind Fund. <http://www.blind.org.uk/>

I don?t give to many charities, but I do to this one.  Most of our working lives have depended on sight, and it is difficult to imagine life without it, so if you?re looking for a good cause, this might fill the bill.


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From pat.heigham at btinternet.com  Sat May 19 11:43:05 2018
From: pat.heigham at btinternet.com (patheigham)
Date: Sat, 19 May 2018 17:43:05 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] BWBF
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Dear All,
Re: Giving to Charities.

I belong to The Association of Motion Picture Sound - a Guild of folks who
work in sound for feature films and high-end TV.
Years ago it was decided to support a charity which had some connection
with sound, as that was how we made our living.
Started with Hearing Dogs for Deaf People - this trains cute doggies to
react to alarms, buzzers, door bells, telephone etc and they go and
indicate to their person. We raised ?3,000 to pay for a training kennel/run
at the headquarters.
Then this was followed up with text display screens, and a programme
similar to Autocue, for Ovingdean Hall School for Deaf Children - sadly the
school was forced to close as the local education authorities withdrew
funding for the kids to be weekly boarders.
So, music systems were funded for Christophers - a hospice run by
Chase for life-limited children. This almagamated with Shooting Star,
a similar organisation, and a music/PA system was supplied.
We are now re-visiting Hearing Dogs to offer further support.
https://www.hearingdogs.org.uk/
https://www.shootingstarchase.org.uk/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ovingdean_Hall_School

Wireless for the Blind sounds a very good cause for us to
support next.

Best regards
Pat

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  From: Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 
  To: Tech Ops List 
  Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2018 4:36 PM
  Subject: [Tech1] BWBF


  Thought for the day -


  ?One would have thought wireless was made for the blind.  We cannot rescue them from darkness, but we can rescue them from silence?.


  That?s from Sir Winston Churchill in the first ever Christmas appeal for the British Wireless for the Blind Fund.


  I don?t give to many charities, but I do to this one.  Most of our working lives have depended on sight, and it is difficult to imagine life without it, so if you?re looking for a good cause, this might fill the bill.




  Alasdair Lawrance
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From hughsheppard at btinternet.com  Sun May 20 03:05:49 2018
From: hughsheppard at btinternet.com (Hugh Sheppard)
Date: Sun, 20 May 2018 09:05:49 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] BWBF
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You take me back to Australian broadcasting.

2 RPH is Radio for the Print Handicapped in New South Wales; a service 
primarily for the blind.? Find it at: https://www.2rph.org.au/

I got to know the company when transported to NSW by the BBC in the late 
'80s and as an itinerant resident until a few years ago. it's a 
brilliant concept, using many good voices (and some not so good) all as 
volunteers to read from the main newspapers and magazines throughout the 
day. It was so up to date that I had it as a pre-set on the radio at 
home and got as much from it as browsing at a newsagent or in the library.

20 years ago I tried, tried and tried again to wind up some interest in 
a similar service in the UK from Beeb and BWBF etc. but no takers.? Does 
anyone know if it's tucked away as a radio service anywhere in the UK?? 
If not, the concept is still near-perfect for retired broadcasters of 
all persuasions to get off the ground, as engineers, managers and 
presenters.

Head for https://www.2rph.org.au/? making due allowance for Oz being 
ahead of us - as so often - clockwise by 9 hours.

Hugh


On 19-May-18 5:43 PM, patheigham via Tech1 wrote:
> with sound, as that was how we made our living.

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From mikej at bmanor.co.uk  Sun May 20 03:20:54 2018
From: mikej at bmanor.co.uk (Mike Jordan)
Date: Sun, 20 May 2018 09:20:54 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] BWBF
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The UK version is all done by British Wireless fund for the blind see http://bwbf.org.uk/  current users at http://www.bwbf.org.uk/tn/current_users.php
I know quite a few ex-BBC who are involved in various stations.
I am with Ealing and am techie about once a month and also have dropped into a sort of part-time maintenance person with my BBC experiences.
I won?t point you at their very out of date website which still refers to distribution by cassette tape (Many many left in store ? even some brand new) not USB stick and over internet nowadays.

Mike

From: Hugh Sheppard via Tech1 
Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2018 9:05 AM
To: patheigham ; Alasdair Lawrance ; Tech Ops List 
Subject: Re: [Tech1] BWBF

You take me back to Australian broadcasting.

2 RPH is Radio for the Print Handicapped in New South Wales; a service primarily for the blind.  Find it at: https://www.2rph.org.au/ 


I got to know the company when transported to NSW by the BBC in the late '80s and as an itinerant resident until a few years ago. it's a brilliant concept, using many good voices (and some not so good) all as volunteers to read from the main newspapers and magazines throughout the day. It was so up to date that I had it as a pre-set on the radio at home and got as much from it as browsing at a newsagent or in the library.   


20 years ago I tried, tried and tried again to wind up some interest in a similar service in the UK from Beeb and BWBF etc. but no takers.  Does anyone know if it's tucked away as a radio service anywhere in the UK?  If not, the concept is still near-perfect for retired broadcasters of all persuasions to get off the ground, as engineers, managers and presenters.  


Head for https://www.2rph.org.au/  making due allowance for Oz being ahead of us - as so often - clockwise by 9 hours. 


Hugh




On 19-May-18 5:43 PM, patheigham via Tech1 wrote:

  with sound, as that was how we made our living.




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From hughsheppard at btinternet.com  Sun May 20 04:38:14 2018
From: hughsheppard at btinternet.com (Hugh Sheppard)
Date: Sun, 20 May 2018 10:38:14 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] BWBF
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Thanks, Mike - I should have said that talking LOCAL Newspapers have 
long been around, but still seem to be primarily as recordings, not live 
here and now.

The Oz service is broadcast live and is up to the minute, primarily read 
from that day's national press.? Whatever the 'Sonata' streamed service 
is, it says 'Simply send us a memory stick which we will upload' while 
its website is all about the equipment. Googling for a Sonata or bwbf 
radio schedule retrieved zilch. That doesn't sound very live to me. I'm 
impressed with just how many UK services there are, albeit none seem to 
be live, live; or to major on the national daily, weekly or magazine 
press. Or is your experience different?

Hugh

On 20-May-18 9:20 AM, Mike Jordan wrote:
> The UK version is all done by British Wireless fund for the blind see 
> http://bwbf.org.uk/ current users at 
> http://www.bwbf.org.uk/tn/current_users.php
> I know quite a few ex-BBC who are involved in various stations.
> I am with Ealing and am techie about once a month and also have 
> dropped into a sort of part-time maintenance person with my BBC 
> experiences.
> I won?t point you at their very out of date website which still refers 
> to distribution by cassette tape (Many many left in store ? even some 
> brand new) not USB stick and over internet nowadays.
> Mike
> *From:* Hugh Sheppard via Tech1 <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> *Sent:* Sunday, May 20, 2018 9:05 AM
> *To:* patheigham <mailto:pat.heigham at btinternet.com> ; Alasdair 
> Lawrance <mailto:alawrance1 at me.com> ; Tech Ops List 
> <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> *Subject:* Re: [Tech1] BWBF
>
> You take me back to Australian broadcasting.
>
> 2 RPH is Radio for the Print Handicapped in New South Wales; a service 
> primarily for the blind.? Find it at: https://www.2rph.org.au/
>
> I got to know the company when transported to NSW by the BBC in the 
> late '80s and as an itinerant resident until a few years ago. it's a 
> brilliant concept, using many good voices (and some not so good) all 
> as volunteers to read from the main newspapers and magazines 
> throughout the day. It was so up to date that I had it as a pre-set on 
> the radio at home and got as much from it as browsing at a newsagent 
> or in the library.
>
> 20 years ago I tried, tried and tried again to wind up some interest 
> in a similar service in the UK from Beeb and BWBF etc. but no takers.? 
> Does anyone know if it's tucked away as a radio service anywhere in 
> the UK?? If not, the concept is still near-perfect for retired 
> broadcasters of all persuasions to get off the ground, as engineers, 
> managers and presenters.
>
> Head for https://www.2rph.org.au/ making due allowance for Oz being 
> ahead of us - as so often - clockwise by 9 hours.
>
> Hugh
>
>
> On 19-May-18 5:43 PM, patheigham via Tech1 wrote:
>> with sound, as that was how we made our living.
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From mikej at bmanor.co.uk  Sun May 20 05:28:42 2018
From: mikej at bmanor.co.uk (Mike Jordan)
Date: Sun, 20 May 2018 11:28:42 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] BWBF
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The Sonata ?streamed service? I believe pairs with their special internet connected new trendy box and maybe it has to be uploaded by them.
Our system works in that we burn about 100 USB sticks in packs with post paid for by government which are collected by Postie (at precisely 16:30 or he gets told off or we are late editing/burning, we have to  put them all into red post box as post offices are supposed to take them in sack, undo it, check contents etc etc ? whilst my friendly post office lets me just put it out for their normal collection. These work with older style boxes and heard sticks are put back into normal post box and delivered back to us for erasing/reusing.
We also upload to BWBF webspace either to work in mediaplayer or their special format. I do that on return home after a tea!
Getting information is harder now as our local (was) free paper doesn?t come out till very much late now so misses recording and anyway is full of c**p from other areas as Trinity Mirror goes bust due to downturn in estate agents ads and general ads. They are trying to get newsagents/shops to pay in advance and hopefully get money back on sale but most not willing.
Lots of stuff comes from local group pages and shared between charities.
I guess it will only get worse.

From: Hugh Sheppard 
Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2018 10:38 AM
To: Mike Jordan ; patheigham ; Alasdair Lawrance ; Tech Ops List 
Subject: Re: [Tech1] BWBF

Thanks, Mike - I should have said that talking LOCAL Newspapers have long been around, but still seem to be primarily as recordings, not live here and now. 


The Oz service is broadcast live and is up to the minute, primarily read from that day's national press.  Whatever the 'Sonata' streamed service is, it says 'Simply send us a memory stick which we will upload' while its website is all about the equipment. Googling for a Sonata or bwbf radio schedule retrieved zilch. That doesn't sound very live to me. I'm impressed with just how many UK services there are, albeit none seem to be live, live; or to major on the national daily, weekly or magazine press. Or is your experience different? 


Hugh



 
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From alawrance1 at me.com  Sun May 20 05:44:45 2018
From: alawrance1 at me.com (Alasdair Lawrance)
Date: Sun, 20 May 2018 11:44:45 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Meghan reveals evening dress - BBC News
Message-ID: <D6C6DCB0-CF7B-41DF-A8C6-660791B61925@me.com>

I know it?s an old joke, but it still makes me laugh -

? When a man opens a car door for his wife, it?s either a new wife or a new car?


> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-44182488/royal-wedding-2018-meghan-s-evening-dress-revealed <http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-44182488/royal-wedding-2018-meghan-s-evening-dress-revealed>


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From barrybonner119 at btinternet.com  Sun May 20 05:52:50 2018
From: barrybonner119 at btinternet.com (Barry Bonner)
Date: Sun, 20 May 2018 11:52:50 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Meghan reveals evening dress - BBC News
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Oddly a lefthand drive E Type to make Megs feel at home!
Barry.

On 20 May 2018, at 11:44, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 wrote:

I know it?s an old joke, but it still makes me laugh -

? When a man opens a car door for his wife, it?s either a new wife or a new car?


> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-44182488/royal-wedding-2018-meghan-s-evening-dress-revealed


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From alawrance1 at me.com  Sun May 20 06:59:13 2018
From: alawrance1 at me.com (Alasdair Lawrance)
Date: Sun, 20 May 2018 12:59:13 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Meghan reveals evening dress - BBC News
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It?s apparently an ?eE-type?  See - https://www.thesun.co.uk/motors/6333656/jaguar-e-type-concept-zero-royal-wedding-prince-harry-meghan-markle/ <https://www.thesun.co.uk/motors/6333656/jaguar-e-type-concept-zero-royal-wedding-prince-harry-meghan-markle/>

Sorry it?s from a Murdoch rag?.


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On 20 May 2018, at 11:52, Barry Bonner <barrybonner119 at btinternet.com> wrote:

Oddly a lefthand drive E Type to make Megs feel at home!
Barry.

On 20 May 2018, at 11:44, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 wrote:

I know it?s an old joke, but it still makes me laugh -

? When a man opens a car door for his wife, it?s either a new wife or a new car?


> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-44182488/royal-wedding-2018-meghan-s-evening-dress-revealed <http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-44182488/royal-wedding-2018-meghan-s-evening-dress-revealed>


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From grahamthecameraman at icloud.com  Sun May 20 07:01:39 2018
From: grahamthecameraman at icloud.com (Graham Maunder)
Date: Sun, 20 May 2018 13:01:39 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Meghan reveals evening dress - BBC News
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Was the new electric version Jaguar are making if you have ?250,000 spare!!

Sent from my iPhone 

> On 20 May 2018, at 11:52, Barry Bonner via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Oddly a lefthand drive E Type to make Megs feel at home!
> Barry.
> 
> On 20 May 2018, at 11:44, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 wrote:
> 
> I know it?s an old joke, but it still makes me laugh -
> 
> ? When a man opens a car door for his wife, it?s either a new wife or a new car?
> 
> 
>> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-44182488/royal-wedding-2018-meghan-s-evening-dress-revealed
> 
> 
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> alawrance1 at me.com
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> 
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From grahamthecameraman at icloud.com  Sun May 20 07:02:48 2018
From: grahamthecameraman at icloud.com (Graham Maunder)
Date: Sun, 20 May 2018 13:02:48 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Meghan reveals evening dress - BBC News
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Not as good as the real thing though!


Graham

Sent from my iPhone 

> On 20 May 2018, at 12:59, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> It?s apparently an ?eE-type?  See - https://www.thesun.co.uk/motors/6333656/jaguar-e-type-concept-zero-royal-wedding-prince-harry-meghan-markle/
> 
> Sorry it?s from a Murdoch rag?.
> 
> 
> Alasdair Lawrance
> alawrance1 at me.com
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 20 May 2018, at 11:52, Barry Bonner <barrybonner119 at btinternet.com> wrote:
> 
> Oddly a lefthand drive E Type to make Megs feel at home!
> Barry.
> 
> On 20 May 2018, at 11:44, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 wrote:
> 
> I know it?s an old joke, but it still makes me laugh -
> 
> ? When a man opens a car door for his wife, it?s either a new wife or a new car?
> 
> 
>> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-44182488/royal-wedding-2018-meghan-s-evening-dress-revealed
> 
> 
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From david.jasma at sky.com  Sun May 20 08:15:04 2018
From: david.jasma at sky.com (Dave Buckley)
Date: Sun, 20 May 2018 14:15:04 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Radio for Visually impaired people
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In answer to Hugh's question - does such a service exist in the UK - yes it
does - see below................

RNIB Connect Radio is a radio station serving the UK, and is funded
primarily by the Royal National Institute of Blind People (RNIB) and also by
other local councils.
We are Europe's first radio station for blind and partially sighted
listeners, and we broadcast 24 hours a day, 7 days a week online, on 101 FM
in the Glasgow area, and on Freeview channel 730.
Our mission is to broadcast news, information and advice to blind and
partially sighted people.  All of our presenters are visually impaired.
Although the station's main studios are based in Scotland, the station is
for everyone in the UK and beyond, with many listeners in the USA and
Canada. Other studios are in Cardiff and London and more locations across
the UK are planned for the very near future.

As Hugh also says, local Talking Newspapers (TNs) have been around for many
years (most of them starting in the mid 70s to mid 80s) and used cassettes
sent out through the Articles for the Blind postal concession. What may not
be known, is that this concession only applied to blind people, not those
who had some sight and known as partially sighted. This was 'put right' in
the early 80s when the chairman and secretary of the then national
organisation (Talking Newspaper Association of the UK) had a series of talks
with a senior figure in the Post Office, after which the regulations for
using the concession were drastically updated.

Nowadays, recordings are sent out on USB sticks, streamed on the internet -
either from the TNs own website or through the BWFtB website. However, there
are some TNs having to still supply the material on cassettes!

The USA has a system used by VIPs (visually impaired  people) which uses the
unused part of an FM channel above the main modulation, which in this
country is used for data transmission. The system needs a special receiver.
After a few unsuccessful searches on DuckduckGo, I came across the following
from the American Foundation ft Blind.......

'Radio reading services are typically broadcast on a sub-carrier channel of
an FM radio station. Listeners must have a special, pre-tuned radio receiver
to pick up the closed circuit broadcast. Receivers are frequently loaned to
listeners by the reading service at no cost.

Some services provide radio reading services programming on television over
a SAP (Second Audio Program) channel, community cable system, or FM cable
service. Many services also offer live audio streaming of their programming
over the Internet while others offer access to archived readings through the
Internet or telephone dial-in system.'

I became involved with TNs in 1977 in Harrow. From 1978 to 1998 I was the
Technical Advisor for the then national organisation - TNAUK. Although no
longer active with a TN, I look after an email discussion group which works
along similar lines to this one.

Dave Buckley


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From graeme.wall at icloud.com  Sun May 20 08:18:49 2018
From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall)
Date: Sun, 20 May 2018 14:18:49 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Meghan reveals evening dress - BBC News
In-Reply-To: <19759920-634E-4073-A6ED-58674EC88268@icloud.com>
References: <D6C6DCB0-CF7B-41DF-A8C6-660791B61925@me.com>
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Not that easy to get into in a wedding dress though?
? 
Graeme Wall





> On 20 May 2018, at 13:02, Graham Maunder via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Sun May 20 11:18:29 2018
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Sun, 20 May 2018 17:18:29 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Meghan reveals evening dress - BBC News
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No electric stuff here, just? a 1979 Rover V8.

It failed the MOT on emissions last week. Interesting, because it 
doesn't get driven much, I haven't changed anything, and the same people 
MOTed it last year. I said all this to the man, and also explained that 
the only way I have of checking the emissions is on their MOT machine. 
After some negotiation, back into the bay it went. It turned out that 
the tester had no idea how to adjust the emissions on an Edelbrock 
carburetter, so I did it - which is when I noticed that they have a new 
MOT machine.? I was undoing the screws when I expected to be doing them 
up - making the mixture richer. Once the CO number got below 3.5, a 
quite delicate operation, it passed and I drove home, with it running a 
whole lot better than when set with their old machine.

B



On 20/05/2018 13:02, Graham Maunder via Tech1 wrote:
> Not as good as the real thing though!
>
>
> Graham
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On 20 May 2018, at 12:59, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 
> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:
>
>> It?s apparently an ?eE-type? ?See - 
>> https://www.thesun.co.uk/motors/6333656/jaguar-e-type-concept-zero-royal-wedding-prince-harry-meghan-markle/ 
>>
>>
>> Sorry it?s from a Murdoch rag?.
>>
>>
>> Alasdair Lawrance
>> alawrance1 at me.com <mailto:alawrance1 at me.com>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 20 May 2018, at 11:52, Barry Bonner <barrybonner119 at btinternet.com 
>> <mailto:barrybonner119 at btinternet.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Oddly a lefthand drive E Type to make Megs feel at home!
>> Barry.
>>
>> On 20 May 2018, at 11:44, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 wrote:
>>
>> I know it?s an old joke, but it still makes me laugh -
>>
>> ? When a man opens a car door for his wife, it?s either a new wife or 
>> a new car?
>>
>>
>>> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-44182488/royal-wedding-2018-meghan-s-evening-dress-revealed
>>
>>
>> Alasdair Lawrance
>> alawrance1 at me.com <mailto:alawrance1 at me.com>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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From mikej at bmanor.co.uk  Sun May 20 11:46:34 2018
From: mikej at bmanor.co.uk (Mike Jordan)
Date: Sun, 20 May 2018 17:46:34 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Meghan reveals evening dress - BBC News
In-Reply-To: <b1e10b78-3676-74e1-a074-5f09935daeb2@gmail.com>
References: <D6C6DCB0-CF7B-41DF-A8C6-660791B61925@me.com><BEBADAA4-0601-4F48-BCDD-AC2B120DCC96@btinternet.com><586259A3-BB18-4851-9DFB-C078CB8DA2F5@me.com><19759920-634E-4073-A6ED-58674EC88268@icloud.com>
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New MOT system starts Sunday

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-44167243

Have to buy a 40+ year old car.

Mike

From: Bernard Newnham via Tech1 
Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2018 5:18 PM
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk 
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Meghan reveals evening dress - BBC News


No electric stuff here, just  a 1979 Rover V8.

It failed the MOT on emissions last week.
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From waresound at msn.com  Mon May 21 14:33:38 2018
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2018 19:33:38 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Meghan reveals evening dress - BBC News
In-Reply-To: <4F008662-EBF5-467D-95C7-C4E365C3F7CA@icloud.com>
References: <D6C6DCB0-CF7B-41DF-A8C6-660791B61925@me.com>
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She should have swapped frocks with the geezer on the right!
Nick.
Sent from my iPad

On 21 May 2018, at 18:15, Graeme Wall via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk<mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:

Not that easy to get into in a wedding dress though?
?
Graeme Wall


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From hughsheppard at btinternet.com  Tue May 22 01:38:38 2018
From: hughsheppard at btinternet.com (Hugh Sheppard)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2018 07:38:38 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Radio for Visually impaired people
In-Reply-To: <002a01d3f03c$917e16a0$b47a43e0$@sky.com>
References: <002a01d3f03c$917e16a0$b47a43e0$@sky.com>
Message-ID: <cf021cac-94b4-e56b-ad8e-d831c7dd4179@btinternet.com>

Got it Dave, thank you! Freeview 730 found it straightaway. Seems to be 
v. much what I had in mind.

That US acronym of 'VIP' for Visually Impaired Person/People sounds a 
good one - among the 695 variations sourced from the internet.

Hugh


On 20-May-18 2:15 PM, Dave Buckley via Tech1 wrote:
> In answer to Hugh's question - does such a service exist in the UK - yes it
> does - see below................
>
> RNIB Connect Radio is a radio station serving the UK, and is funded
> primarily by the Royal National Institute of Blind People (RNIB) and also by
> other local councils.
> We are Europe's first radio station for blind and partially sighted
> listeners, and we broadcast 24 hours a day, 7 days a week online, on 101 FM
> in the Glasgow area, and on Freeview channel 730.
> Our mission is to broadcast news, information and advice to blind and
> partially sighted people.  All of our presenters are visually impaired.
> Although the station's main studios are based in Scotland, the station is
> for everyone in the UK and beyond, with many listeners in the USA and
> Canada. Other studios are in Cardiff and London and more locations across
> the UK are planned for the very near future.
>
> As Hugh also says, local Talking Newspapers (TNs) have been around for many
> years (most of them starting in the mid 70s to mid 80s) and used cassettes
> sent out through the Articles for the Blind postal concession. What may not
> be known, is that this concession only applied to blind people, not those
> who had some sight and known as partially sighted. This was 'put right' in
> the early 80s when the chairman and secretary of the then national
> organisation (Talking Newspaper Association of the UK) had a series of talks
> with a senior figure in the Post Office, after which the regulations for
> using the concession were drastically updated.
>
> Nowadays, recordings are sent out on USB sticks, streamed on the internet -
> either from the TNs own website or through the BWFtB website. However, there
> are some TNs having to still supply the material on cassettes!
>
> The USA has a system used by VIPs (visually impaired  people) which uses the
> unused part of an FM channel above the main modulation, which in this
> country is used for data transmission. The system needs a special receiver.
> After a few unsuccessful searches on DuckduckGo, I came across the following
> from the American Foundation ft Blind.......
>
> 'Radio reading services are typically broadcast on a sub-carrier channel of
> an FM radio station. Listeners must have a special, pre-tuned radio receiver
> to pick up the closed circuit broadcast. Receivers are frequently loaned to
> listeners by the reading service at no cost.
>
> Some services provide radio reading services programming on television over
> a SAP (Second Audio Program) channel, community cable system, or FM cable
> service. Many services also offer live audio streaming of their programming
> over the Internet while others offer access to archived readings through the
> Internet or telephone dial-in system.'
>
> I became involved with TNs in 1977 in Harrow. From 1978 to 1998 I was the
> Technical Advisor for the then national organisation - TNAUK. Although no
> longer active with a TN, I look after an email discussion group which works
> along similar lines to this one.
>
> Dave Buckley
>
>
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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Tue May 22 04:27:24 2018
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2018 10:27:24 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Birdcam
Message-ID: <1b6cad71-0f3a-cc27-ad0f-60fc43692b82@gmail.com>

Birdcam Day 10? - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbgJPejK1js

She comes along and shoves whole caterpillars down a chick's gullet now. 
No subtlety. ? Wings and other feathers are appearing.

B


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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Wed May 23 09:17:39 2018
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2018 15:17:39 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Oops!
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Can anyone spot a potential reception problem ? Cheers, Dave

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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Wed May 23 11:04:57 2018
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2018 17:04:57 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Oops!
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Should have gone to Specsavers


On 23/05/2018 15:17, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote:
> Can anyone spot a potential reception problem ? Cheers, Dave
>
>
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From neil at dormand.eclipse.co.uk  Thu May 24 05:12:30 2018
From: neil at dormand.eclipse.co.uk (neil at dormand.eclipse.co.uk)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2018 11:12:30 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] 2001 lens
Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAGZqa+eRW5BPiUZNX5BsXSrCgAAAEAAAAFglCFWWDlJAp8X9cIzAk+EBAAAAAA==@dormand.eclipse.co.uk>

 

 

 

HI all 

 

If anyone is interested there is a 2001 lens on ebay see

 

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Vintage-Colour-TV-Camera-Motorised-Zoom-Lens-Ange
nieux-Evershed-F-18-180mm/123144416973?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
<https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Vintage-Colour-TV-Camera-Motorised-Zoom-Lens-Ang
enieux-Evershed-F-18-180mm/123144416973?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksi
d=p2060353.m1438.l2649> &_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649

 

 

 

Best wishes

 

Neil 

Neil Dormand

 

 

 

 

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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Thu May 24 05:32:52 2018
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2018 11:32:52 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] 2001 lens
In-Reply-To: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAGZqa+eRW5BPiUZNX5BsXSrCgAAAEAAAAFglCFWWDlJAp8X9cIzAk+EBAAAAAA==@dormand.eclipse.co.uk>
References: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAGZqa+eRW5BPiUZNX5BsXSrCgAAAEAAAAFglCFWWDlJAp8X9cIzAk+EBAAAAAA==@dormand.eclipse.co.uk>
Message-ID: <d55bd45d-5688-43e0-8670-9c00aff00d2e@gmail.com>

"Just imagine that swinging around at the front of a TV camera!" - hmmm 
- doesn't know his tv cameras!

Currently ?6.50.?? I thought Tadworth was in the midlands somewhere, but 
it turns out not to be far from Leatherhead. If anyone decides to buy it 
and isn't in the area I could do the pickup and store as convenient.

B



On 24/05/2018 11:12, neil--- via Tech1 wrote:
>
> HI all
>
> If anyone is interested there is a 2001 lens on ebay see
>
> https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Vintage-Colour-TV-Camera-Motorised-Zoom-Lens-Angenieux-Evershed-F-18-180mm/123144416973?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649
>
> Best wishes
>
> Neil
>
> Neil Dormand
>
>
>

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From graeme.wall at icloud.com  Thu May 24 07:17:05 2018
From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2018 13:17:05 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] 2001 lens
In-Reply-To: <d55bd45d-5688-43e0-8670-9c00aff00d2e@gmail.com>
References: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAGZqa+eRW5BPiUZNX5BsXSrCgAAAEAAAAFglCFWWDlJAp8X9cIzAk+EBAAAAAA==@dormand.eclipse.co.uk>
	<d55bd45d-5688-43e0-8670-9c00aff00d2e@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6801EA94-30D0-4491-B4B7-B148E6EDE22E@icloud.com>

Near Kingswood, wasn?t that the BBC engineering research place?
? 
Graeme Wall





> On 24 May 2018, at 11:32, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> "Just imagine that swinging around at the front of a TV camera!" - hmmm - doesn't know his tv cameras!
> 
> Currently ?6.50.   I thought Tadworth was in the midlands somewhere, but it turns out not to be far from Leatherhead. If anyone decides to buy it and isn't in the area I could do the pickup and store as convenient.
> 
> B
> 
> 
> 
> On 24/05/2018 11:12, neil--- via Tech1 wrote:
>>  
>>  
>>  
>> HI all 
>>  
>> If anyone is interested there is a 2001 lens on ebay see
>>  
>> https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Vintage-Colour-TV-Camera-Motorised-Zoom-Lens-Angenieux-Evershed-F-18-180mm/123144416973?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649
>>  
>>  
>>  
>> Best wishes
>>  
>> Neil 
>> Neil Dormand
>>  
>>  
>>  
>>  
>> 
>> 
> 
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From mibridge at mac.com  Thu May 24 10:18:18 2018
From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2018 16:18:18 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] 2001 lens
In-Reply-To: <6801EA94-30D0-4491-B4B7-B148E6EDE22E@icloud.com>
References: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAGZqa+eRW5BPiUZNX5BsXSrCgAAAEAAAAFglCFWWDlJAp8X9cIzAk+EBAAAAAA==@dormand.eclipse.co.uk>
	<d55bd45d-5688-43e0-8670-9c00aff00d2e@gmail.com>
	<6801EA94-30D0-4491-B4B7-B148E6EDE22E@icloud.com>
Message-ID: <38417626-13CA-4B1A-B279-D76F1AB0D5FB@mac.com>

Yes. 

Mike G

> On 24 May 2018, at 13:17, Graeme Wall via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Near Kingswood, wasn?t that the BBC engineering research place?
> ? 
> Graeme Wall
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On 24 May 2018, at 11:32, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> "Just imagine that swinging around at the front of a TV camera!" - hmmm - doesn't know his tv cameras!
>> 
>> Currently ?6.50.   I thought Tadworth was in the midlands somewhere, but it turns out not to be far from Leatherhead. If anyone decides to buy it and isn't in the area I could do the pickup and store as convenient.
>> 
>> B
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 24/05/2018 11:12, neil--- via Tech1 wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> HI all 
>>> 
>>> If anyone is interested there is a 2001 lens on ebay see
>>> 
>>> https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Vintage-Colour-TV-Camera-Motorised-Zoom-Lens-Angenieux-Evershed-F-18-180mm/123144416973?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Best wishes
>>> 
>>> Neil 
>>> Neil Dormand
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
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From david.jasma at sky.com  Thu May 24 12:51:34 2018
From: david.jasma at sky.com (Dave Buckley)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2018 18:51:34 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Ebay Zoom lens
Message-ID: <000001d3f387$db487610$91d96230$@sky.com>

I would have thought that the owners of North 3 would be interested in this
unit!! Does anyone know if they are aware of it?

Dave Buckley


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From martin at theeccles.uk  Thu May 24 13:05:37 2018
From: martin at theeccles.uk (Martin Eccles)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2018 19:05:37 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] 2001 lens
Message-ID: <000001d3f389$d1ea2ad0$75be8070$@theeccles.uk>

Is it a "J" or a "K" lens ?

 

Martin.

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From billjenkin67 at gmail.com  Thu May 24 13:07:08 2018
From: billjenkin67 at gmail.com (Bill Jenkin)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2018 19:07:08 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] 2001 lens
In-Reply-To: <000001d3f389$d1ea2ad0$75be8070$@theeccles.uk>
References: <000001d3f389$d1ea2ad0$75be8070$@theeccles.uk>
Message-ID: <CAE6tP4CpmEgO2=wiOB-eq2eZbpXeuRYqpL8cPRzPMU8W83dvAQ@mail.gmail.com>

J

On Thu, 24 May 2018, 19:06 Martin Eccles via Tech1, <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
wrote:

> Is it a ?J? or a ?K? lens ?
>
>
>
> Martin.
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From dave at davesound.co.uk  Sat May 26 05:08:25 2018
From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman)
Date: Sat, 26 May 2018 11:08:25 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Birdcam
In-Reply-To: <7c2a5daa-e12c-9bab-c5a9-1c81afbfef76@gmail.com>
References: <7c2a5daa-e12c-9bab-c5a9-1c81afbfef76@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <56fe30fc01dave@davesound.co.uk>

Seem to be getting a lot of Birdcam posts direct to my ordinary email
address rather than this group?

-- 
*What happens when none of your bees wax? *

    Dave Plowman     dave at davesound.co.uk     London SW 12
    


From mikej at bmanor.co.uk  Sun May 27 04:12:54 2018
From: mikej at bmanor.co.uk (Mike Jordan)
Date: Sun, 27 May 2018 10:12:54 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] End of a Caversham era
Message-ID: <759FDECD8FD44415B04EAEE78B43DCB5@Gigabyte>

In case you missed this on all BBC news channels!
Including nice first pic of a Ferrograph with BBC modifications to the mixer section to bay mount it ? clever!

Mike
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From mikej at bmanor.co.uk  Sun May 27 04:27:41 2018
From: mikej at bmanor.co.uk (Mike Jordan)
Date: Sun, 27 May 2018 10:27:41 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] End of a Caversham era
In-Reply-To: <759FDECD8FD44415B04EAEE78B43DCB5@Gigabyte>
References: <759FDECD8FD44415B04EAEE78B43DCB5@Gigabyte>
Message-ID: <57694E24F3074A95BED14CED1190A056@Gigabyte>

Sorry, forgot the link  http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-berkshire-36712152

Mike

From: Mike Jordan via Tech1 
Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2018 10:12 AM
To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat 
Subject: [Tech1] End of a Caversham era

In case you missed this on all BBC news channels!
Including nice first pic of a Ferrograph with BBC modifications to the mixer section to bay mount it ? clever!

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From rogerbunce at btinternet.com  Sun May 27 07:05:39 2018
From: rogerbunce at btinternet.com (ROGER BUNCE)
Date: Sun, 27 May 2018 12:05:39 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tech1] BBC Genome
References: <740754567.9919356.1527422739831.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <740754567.9919356.1527422739831@mail.yahoo.com>

Calling any experts in using BBC Genome.
Is there a way of dialling up a specific episode of a particular programme? If you enter the title of a long running series, say "Crackerjack" or "Blue Peter", you get thousands of them, and they don't seem to be in any logical order. Typing in a date doesn't help.
If I know the title, and the date, how do I find the individual programme?
Any ideas?
luv, Roger.

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From davidvbrunt at gmail.com  Sun May 27 07:44:01 2018
From: davidvbrunt at gmail.com (David Brunt)
Date: Sun, 27 May 2018 13:44:01 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] BBC Genome
In-Reply-To: <740754567.9919356.1527422739831@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <740754567.9919356.1527422739831.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<740754567.9919356.1527422739831@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <A8DA616AB3954C1ABF0D27E51ADE94E4@AdminPC>

Type in the title in the main box to get the hundreds of listings.

Click the ?Advanced? button. 
Filter it down by year and month. And day if you have it.
There?d still be several entries (i.e. eight Blue Peters a month) but it?ll be more manageable


There?s another way:
Click the ?Year? option at the top.
Choose the year (the dates are for the Radio Times publication day for the following week?s issue so might want the week before)
Choose the week.
Choose the day from that week?s list.

David



From: ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 
Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2018 1:05 PM
To: Tech-OpsMailing List 
Subject: [Tech1] BBC Genome

Calling any experts in using BBC Genome.

Is there a way of dialling up a specific episode of a particular programme? If you enter the title of a long running series, say "Crackerjack" or "Blue Peter", you get thousands of them, and they don't seem to be in any logical order. Typing in a date doesn't help.

If I know the title, and the date, how do I find the individual programme?

Any ideas?

luv, Roger.




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From rogerbunce at btinternet.com  Sun May 27 09:46:48 2018
From: rogerbunce at btinternet.com (ROGER BUNCE)
Date: Sun, 27 May 2018 14:46:48 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tech1] BBC Genome
In-Reply-To: <A8DA616AB3954C1ABF0D27E51ADE94E4@AdminPC>
References: <740754567.9919356.1527422739831.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<740754567.9919356.1527422739831@mail.yahoo.com>
	<A8DA616AB3954C1ABF0D27E51ADE94E4@AdminPC>
Message-ID: <995216679.9973215.1527432408799@mail.yahoo.com>

Thanks David - that worked!
Of course, I'll have forgotten how to do it by the next time I?want to look something up!
Thanks again,
Roger.
      From: David Brunt <davidvbrunt at gmail.com>
 To: ROGER BUNCE <rogerbunce at btinternet.com>; Tech-OpsMailing List <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> 
 Sent: Sunday, 27 May 2018, 13:44
 Subject: Re: [Tech1] BBC Genome
   
Type in the title in the main box to get the hundreds of listings.

Click the ?Advanced? button. 
Filter it down by year and month. And day if you have it.
There?d still be several entries (i.e. eight Blue Peters a month) but it?ll be more manageable


There?s another way:
Click the ?Year? option at the top.
Choose the year (the dates are for the Radio Times publication day for the following week?s issue so might want the week before)
Choose the week.
Choose the day from that week?s list.

David

?From: ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2018 1:05 PMTo: Tech-OpsMailing List Subject: [Tech1] BBC Genome?Calling any experts in using BBC Genome.?Is there a way of dialling up a specific episode of a particular programme? If you enter the title of a long running series, say "Crackerjack" or "Blue Peter", you get thousands of them, and they don't seem to be in any logical order. Typing in a date doesn't help.?If I know the title, and the date, how do I find the individual programme??Any ideas??luv, Roger.??-- 
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From tonycrake at gmail.com  Sun May 27 14:52:42 2018
From: tonycrake at gmail.com (Tony Crake)
Date: Sun, 27 May 2018 20:52:42 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] End of a Caversham era
In-Reply-To: <57694E24F3074A95BED14CED1190A056@Gigabyte>
References: <759FDECD8FD44415B04EAEE78B43DCB5@Gigabyte>
	<57694E24F3074A95BED14CED1190A056@Gigabyte>
Message-ID: <CAMf6fxWAPZqCg3z8Q0CdRQwB5syPf-aNPPJUp1oWtU0E3Fo-_A@mail.gmail.com>

 Mike... Nice couple of pictures of Crowsley Park Control  Room from '68
....  All the actual listening was done here ( antenna and receivers )  It
was mainly dismantled about two years agp

Was an interesting site to walk round as a Public Footpath went across the
Aerial fields !



On 27 May 2018 at 10:27, Mike Jordan via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

> Sorry, forgot the link  http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-
> england-berkshire-36712152
>
> Mike
>
> *From:* Mike Jordan via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> *Sent:* Sunday, May 27, 2018 10:12 AM
> *To:* Tech-Ops-chit-chat <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> *Subject:* [Tech1] End of a Caversham era
>
> In case you missed this on all BBC news channels!
> Including nice first pic of a Ferrograph with BBC modifications to the
> mixer section to bay mount it ? clever!
>
> Mike
>
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From ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com  Sun May 27 16:12:10 2018
From: ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com (Ravenscourt)
Date: Sun, 27 May 2018 22:12:10 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Amazon
Message-ID: <4E9EA89D-2564-4149-9B6C-D02D358CCFC4@btinternet.com>

Is it my choices but it seems Amazon prices are higher that ordinary shops. Some are amazingly expensive. 
Best to all
AB

Sent from my iPhone


From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Sun May 27 16:14:22 2018
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Sun, 27 May 2018 22:14:22 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Tonight
Message-ID: <6428bfa5-e1ce-5976-fa08-7734aa6ecf92@btinternet.com>

For the second night running I am watching the most amazing lightning 
display, almost soundless, inside a huge black cloud over Hampton Court. 
Last night it went on for several hours. I have also been watching a 
superb boxing match on BT Box Nation from Madison Square Garden. In the 
'good old days' when I worked on boxing programs we usually asked a nice 
man to drop a long mic cable over the centre of the ring and we 
'securely' attached a naked 416 to it and that was that. While I 
hesitate to accuse our American cousins of going a bit excessive in the 
FX procurement department just look at this screen shot of the sound 
'nest' over the ring in MSG! There are 4 short gun mics on each corner 
and a crossed pair in the centre! It didn't sound any better than my 
416! They had obviously forgotten the first rule of rigging which is - 
'don't forget the de-rig!' Cheers, Dave

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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Sun May 27 16:45:41 2018
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Sun, 27 May 2018 22:45:41 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] End of a Caversham era
In-Reply-To: <CAMf6fxWAPZqCg3z8Q0CdRQwB5syPf-aNPPJUp1oWtU0E3Fo-_A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <759FDECD8FD44415B04EAEE78B43DCB5@Gigabyte>
	<57694E24F3074A95BED14CED1190A056@Gigabyte>
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Message-ID: <f1632542-e0d5-1006-18e1-6ad0d54aabb0@btinternet.com>

The way things are going with Putin it may be a bit premature to reduce 
the monitoring effort! Cheers, Dave


On 27/05/2018 20:52, Tony Crake via Tech1 wrote:
> ?Mike... Nice couple of pictures of Crowsley Park Control ?Room from 
> '68 ....? All the actual listening was done here ( antenna and 
> receivers ) ?It was mainly dismantled about two years agp
>
> Was an interesting site to walk round as a Public Footpath went across 
> the Aerial fields !
>
>
> On 27 May 2018 at 10:27, Mike Jordan via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk 
> <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:
>
>     Sorry, forgot the link
>     http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-berkshire-36712152
>     <http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-berkshire-36712152>
>     Mike
>     *From:* Mike Jordan via Tech1 <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
>     *Sent:* Sunday, May 27, 2018 10:12 AM
>     *To:* Tech-Ops-chit-chat <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
>     *Subject:* [Tech1] End of a Caversham era
>     In case you missed this on all BBC news channels!
>     Including nice first pic of a Ferrograph with BBC modifications to
>     the mixer section to bay mount it ? clever!
>     Mike
>
>     -- 
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>     http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk
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From tonycrake at gmail.com  Sun May 27 17:26:43 2018
From: tonycrake at gmail.com (Tony Crake)
Date: Sun, 27 May 2018 23:26:43 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Tonight
In-Reply-To: <6428bfa5-e1ce-5976-fa08-7734aa6ecf92@btinternet.com>
References: <6428bfa5-e1ce-5976-fa08-7734aa6ecf92@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <CAMf6fxXP+EaFH5S5FDjsb1FmJUE+xSQ5i5qT56sYRM8W3O=MvA@mail.gmail.com>

That looks like one of ''Bazzers'' creations for the ROH Festival of
Remembrance !!!!!!!

On 27 May 2018 at 22:14, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

> For the second night running I am watching the most amazing lightning
> display, almost soundless, inside a huge black cloud over Hampton Court.
> Last night it went on for several hours. I have also been watching a superb
> boxing match on BT Box Nation from Madison Square Garden. In the 'good old
> days' when I worked on boxing programs we usually asked a nice man to drop
> a long mic cable over the centre of the ring and we 'securely' attached a
> naked 416 to it and that was that. While I hesitate to accuse our American
> cousins of going a bit excessive in the FX procurement department just look
> at this screen shot of the sound 'nest' over the ring in MSG! There are 4
> short gun mics on each corner and a crossed pair in the centre! It didn't
> sound any better than my 416! They had obviously forgotten the first rule
> of rigging which is - 'don't forget the de-rig!' Cheers, Dave
>
>
> --
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From mibridge at mac.com  Sun May 27 17:31:47 2018
From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles)
Date: Sun, 27 May 2018 23:31:47 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Tonight
In-Reply-To: <6428bfa5-e1ce-5976-fa08-7734aa6ecf92@btinternet.com>
References: <6428bfa5-e1ce-5976-fa08-7734aa6ecf92@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <BDCE788D-A598-4A83-844E-9B5E682148B2@mac.com>

This was the view from our bedroom window at midnight last night, looking towards Box Hill ~ again absolutely silent!



Mike G

> On 27 May 2018, at 22:14, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> For the second night running I am watching the most amazing lightning display, almost soundless, inside a huge black cloud over Hampton Court. Last night it went on for several hours. I have also been watching a superb boxing match on BT Box Nation from Madison Square Garden. In the 'good old days' when I worked on boxing programs we usually asked a nice man to drop a long mic cable over the centre of the ring and we 'securely' attached a naked 416 to it and that was that. While I hesitate to accuse our American cousins of going a bit excessive in the FX procurement department just look at this screen shot of the sound 'nest' over the ring in MSG! There are 4 short gun mics on each corner and a crossed pair in the centre! It didn't sound any better than my 416! They had obviously forgotten the first rule of rigging which is - 'don't forget the de-rig!' Cheers, Dave
> 
> <MSG ring FX rig!.jpg>-- 
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From mibridge at mac.com  Sun May 27 17:39:01 2018
From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles)
Date: Sun, 27 May 2018 23:39:01 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Amazon
In-Reply-To: <4E9EA89D-2564-4149-9B6C-D02D358CCFC4@btinternet.com>
References: <4E9EA89D-2564-4149-9B6C-D02D358CCFC4@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <B31FDF50-A98D-47BD-9BD2-EA738EE77F6E@mac.com>

Not for the sort of things things I order ~ that is if you can find the item you want in an ordinary shop to make the comparison.

Just bought a nice hat for the bowling green for about ?13  ~  ?75 was the nearest I could find in a Dorking outfitters!

Mike G

> On 27 May 2018, at 22:12, Ravenscourt via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Is it my choices but it seems Amazon prices are higher that ordinary shops. Some are amazingly expensive. 
> Best to all
> AB
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> -- 
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> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk



From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Sun May 27 17:51:31 2018
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Sun, 27 May 2018 23:51:31 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Tonight
In-Reply-To: <CAMf6fxXP+EaFH5S5FDjsb1FmJUE+xSQ5i5qT56sYRM8W3O=MvA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6428bfa5-e1ce-5976-fa08-7734aa6ecf92@btinternet.com>
	<CAMf6fxXP+EaFH5S5FDjsb1FmJUE+xSQ5i5qT56sYRM8W3O=MvA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6a795acd-2bbd-973f-8c7c-d42dbb03f5f5@btinternet.com>

I think a 'Sound Field' mic would have been simpler to rig and de-rig! 
(As used on the Royal Tournament in Earls Court, panning left and right) 
Cheers, Dave


On 27/05/2018 23:26, Tony Crake wrote:
> That looks like one of ''Bazzers'' creations for the ROH Festival of 
> Remembrance !!!!!!!
>
> On 27 May 2018 at 22:14, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk 
> <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:
>
>     For the second night running I am watching the most amazing
>     lightning display, almost soundless, inside a huge black cloud
>     over Hampton Court. Last night it went on for several hours. I
>     have also been watching a superb boxing match on BT Box Nation
>     from Madison Square Garden. In the 'good old days' when I worked
>     on boxing programs we usually asked a nice man to drop a long mic
>     cable over the centre of the ring and we 'securely' attached a
>     naked 416 to it and that was that. While I hesitate to accuse our
>     American cousins of going a bit excessive in the FX procurement
>     department just look at this screen shot of the sound 'nest' over
>     the ring in MSG! There are 4 short gun mics on each corner and a
>     crossed pair in the centre! It didn't sound any better than my
>     416! They had obviously forgotten the first rule of rigging which
>     is - 'don't forget the de-rig!' Cheers, Dave
>
>
>     -- 
>     Tech1 mailing list
>     Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
>     http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk
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From dave at davesound.co.uk  Sun May 27 18:33:03 2018
From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman)
Date: Mon, 28 May 2018 00:33:03 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Amazon
In-Reply-To: <4E9EA89D-2564-4149-9B6C-D02D358CCFC4@btinternet.com>
References: <4E9EA89D-2564-4149-9B6C-D02D358CCFC4@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <56fefe7c86dave@davesound.co.uk>

In article <4E9EA89D-2564-4149-9B6C-D02D358CCFC4 at btinternet.com>,
   Ravenscourt via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> Is it my choices but it seems Amazon prices are higher that ordinary
> shops. Some are amazingly expensive. 

When things are out of stock, they seem to raise the price to a silly
level. Less work than pulling the ad then reinstating when new stocks
arrive.

-- 
*Be more or less specific *

    Dave Plowman     dave at davesound.co.uk     London SW 12
    


From bernie833 at gmail.com  Mon May 28 03:08:50 2018
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Mon, 28 May 2018 09:08:50 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: Lightning Pics
In-Reply-To: <a9aaf51e-01b0-08a9-554c-c2f539630ed3@gmail.com>
References: <a9aaf51e-01b0-08a9-554c-c2f539630ed3@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <285daa0d-9b67-ebda-0f29-6c9fe1b13fe2@ntlworld.com>




-------- Forwarded Message --------
Subject: 	Lightning Pics
Date: 	Sun, 27 May 2018 22:25:20 +0100
From: 	Michael Saalfeld <mike.saalfeld at gmail.com>
To: 	TVNET <TVNET at television-network.uk>



Some of you were probably underneath this storm cloud which was 
approaching Denham at dusk this evening.
Spectacular lightning - here are a few photos taken from my back garden.






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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Mon May 28 03:09:08 2018
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Mon, 28 May 2018 09:09:08 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: Lightning Pics
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-------- Forwarded Message --------
Subject: 	Lightning Pics
Date: 	Sun, 27 May 2018 22:25:20 +0100
From: 	Michael Saalfeld <mike.saalfeld at gmail.com>
To: 	TVNET <TVNET at television-network.uk>



Some of you were probably underneath this storm cloud which was 
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Spectacular lightning - here are a few photos taken from my back garden.






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From rogerbunce at btinternet.com  Mon May 28 09:54:16 2018
From: rogerbunce at btinternet.com (ROGER BUNCE)
Date: Mon, 28 May 2018 14:54:16 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: Lightning Pics
In-Reply-To: <285daa0d-9b67-ebda-0f29-6c9fe1b13fe2@ntlworld.com>
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Wow! You must have quick reactions to get those shots, Bernie!

      From: Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
 To: "tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk" <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> 
Cc: Bernard Newnham <bernie833 at gmail.com>
 Sent: Monday, 28 May 2018, 9:09
 Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: Lightning Pics
   
  
 
 
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| Subject:  | Lightning Pics |
| Date:  | Sun, 27 May 2018 22:25:20 +0100 |
| From:  | Michael Saalfeld <mike.saalfeld at gmail.com> |
| To:  | TVNET <TVNET at television-network.uk> |

 
 
 Some of you were probably underneath this storm cloud which was approaching Denham at dusk this evening.
 Spectacular lightning - here are a few photos taken from my back garden.
 
 
 
 
 
 
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From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com  Mon May 28 10:23:36 2018
From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray)
Date: Mon, 28 May 2018 16:23:36 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] IEE paper on tthe BBC TVC (May 1962)
Message-ID: <6773face-663c-3421-a885-db0c82bd33e5@gmail.com>

"...The B.B.C was in fact the first broadcasting authority to order 
camera channels designed for use with 4 1/2 in Image Orthicon tubes..."

Wow!? It's amazing what you learn when clearing out the loft (we are 
downsizing...).? This is from a paper:

The Institution of Electrical Engineers /The BBC Television Centre and 
Its Technical Facilities/? Vol 109, Part B, no 45 May 1962

Hopefully a rough PDF scan of this document is available for you, sort 
of linked to this email (using Box) - I think it's well worth having a 
look at - IMHO there's a little gem in each paragraph! Like there were 
plans for 275 Studio Technical Operators out of a staff of 2650 at TVC? 
(page 202)


Do you remember that Technical Operators could go to a technical library 
(er, where, memory fail here, somewhere ...) and get free reprints of 
any technical stuff that the BBC had had reprinted? I've got a few and 
will try to scan some more in for you.


I've linked 1 file to this email:
IEE_BBCTVC_and_Its_Technical_Facilities.pdf 
<https://app.box.com/s/66ndd03w3bhl6tdze38x3knd26992owr>(47.3 MB)Box 
<https://www.box.com/thunderbird>https://app.box.com/s/66ndd03w3bhl6tdze38x3knd26992owr
Mozilla Thunderbird <http://www.getthunderbird.com> makes it easy to 
share large files over email.

-- 

Best Regards

Alec

Alec Bray

alec.bray.2 at gmail.com
mob:     07789 561 346
home:  0118 942 9543

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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Mon May 28 10:27:34 2018
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Mon, 28 May 2018 16:27:34 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: Lightning Pics
In-Reply-To: <1187185801.10519935.1527519256413@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <a9aaf51e-01b0-08a9-554c-c2f539630ed3@gmail.com>
	<285daa0d-9b67-ebda-0f29-6c9fe1b13fe2@ntlworld.com>
	<1187185801.10519935.1527519256413@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <77222f63-0158-55be-114f-db4d34524331@ntlworld.com>

Not me - a network engineer called Michael Saafeld

B



On 28/05/2018 15:54, ROGER BUNCE wrote:
> Wow! You must have quick reactions to get those shots, Bernie!
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> *To:* "tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk" <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> *Cc:* Bernard Newnham <bernie833 at gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Monday, 28 May 2018, 9:09
> *Subject:* [Tech1] Fwd: Lightning Pics
>
>
>
>
> -------- Forwarded Message --------
> Subject: 	Lightning Pics
> Date: 	Sun, 27 May 2018 22:25:20 +0100
> From: 	Michael Saalfeld <mike.saalfeld at gmail.com> 
> <mailto:mike.saalfeld at gmail.com>
> To: 	TVNET <TVNET at television-network.uk> 
> <mailto:TVNET at television-network.uk>
>
>
>
> Some of you were probably underneath this storm cloud which was 
> approaching Denham at dusk this evening.
> Spectacular lightning - here are a few photos taken from my back garden.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -- 
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From mike.jdg.minchin at gmail.com  Mon May 28 14:06:44 2018
From: mike.jdg.minchin at gmail.com (Mike Minchin)
Date: Mon, 28 May 2018 20:06:44 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Thunder and lightning
In-Reply-To: <6428bfa5-e1ce-5976-fa08-7734aa6ecf92@btinternet.com>
References: <6428bfa5-e1ce-5976-fa08-7734aa6ecf92@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <eedb6684-14f8-0394-0d73-507d0cb4eca0@gmail.com>

We seem to have been right under it in Mortlake.? A constant thunder 
rumble, not over loud, for around half an hour.? Looking out of the 
curtains, it was flickering (someone described it as like a faulty 
fluorescent) with occasional brighter flashes. Technically, I suppose it 
was "sheet lightning", as there was no way we could actually see the 
(mini?) forked lightning.

Best wishes to all,

Mike Minchin

On 27/05/2018 22:14, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote:
> For the second night running I am watching the most amazing lightning 
> display, almost soundless, inside a huge black cloud over Hampton 
> Court. Last night it went on for several hours. I have also been 
> watching a superb boxing match on BT Box Nation from Madison Square 
> Garden. In the 'good old days' when I worked on boxing programs we 
> usually asked a nice man to drop a long mic cable over the centre of 
> the ring and we 'securely' attached a naked 416 to it and that was 
> that. While I hesitate to accuse our American cousins of going a bit 
> excessive in the FX procurement department just look at this screen 
> shot of the sound 'nest' over the ring in MSG! There are 4 short gun 
> mics on each corner and a crossed pair in the centre! It didn't sound 
> any better than my 416! They had obviously forgotten the first rule of 
> rigging which is - 'don't forget the de-rig!' Cheers, Dave
>
>
>
> ---
> This email has been checked for viruses by AVG.
> https://www.avg.com
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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Mon May 28 16:39:46 2018
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Mon, 28 May 2018 22:39:46 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] BGT tonight
Message-ID: <849f0ba1-a494-3df5-5d2f-ddc2eaf5f553@btinternet.com>

Does anyone know why ITV London lost about 15 mins. of BGT at about 
1935? Cheers, Dave



From peter.neill at icloud.com  Mon May 28 16:47:55 2018
From: peter.neill at icloud.com (Peter Neill)
Date: Mon, 28 May 2018 22:47:55 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] BGT tonight
In-Reply-To: <849f0ba1-a494-3df5-5d2f-ddc2eaf5f553@btinternet.com>
References: <849f0ba1-a494-3df5-5d2f-ddc2eaf5f553@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <5283513D-1745-4C47-A8F5-20C6ECAB4C70@icloud.com>

It appears to have been rain upsetting the sat link - even though they had to SIS trucks

Sent from my iPhone. Apologies for typos and autocorruptions. 

> On 28 May 2018, at 22:39, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Does anyone know why ITV London lost about 15 mins. of BGT at about 1935? Cheers, Dave
> 
> 
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From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com  Tue May 29 02:20:07 2018
From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2018 08:20:07 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] IEE paper on tthe BBC TVC (May 1962)
In-Reply-To: <ba199a58-b2aa-1d22-4c2f-94c54ef83761@btinternet.com>
References: <6773face-663c-3421-a885-db0c82bd33e5@gmail.com>
	<ba199a58-b2aa-1d22-4c2f-94c54ef83761@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <5b4ecd0b-eb88-b2c3-7add-be58bc17a986@gmail.com>

Hello Hugh,

Thank you for your email!


On 29/05/2018 07:43, Hugh Sheppard wrote:
>
> I was able to view this IEE paper, but not to save it as a pdf.? Not 
> being familiar with 'Box' I then looked for it on the internet, but 
> needed to be a member of the IEE.
>
> Any thoughts on getting hold of it in a version to save?
>

I have not really used Box before (I usually use WeTransfer to nominated 
recipients), but Box is the default large file transfer used for Mozilla 
Thunderbird, so that's what I tried using.

As far as I am aware, if you can see the file in your browser, you 
should then be able to click the <Download> button: this should? put a 
copy into your default download directory.




If this doesn't work, I'll have to think again!


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Best Regards

Alec

Alec Bray

alec.bray.2 at gmail.com
mob:     07789 561 346
home:  0118 942 9543

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From mikej at bmanor.co.uk  Tue May 29 02:40:20 2018
From: mikej at bmanor.co.uk (Mike Jordan)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2018 08:40:20 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] BGT tonight
In-Reply-To: <5283513D-1745-4C47-A8F5-20C6ECAB4C70@icloud.com>
References: <849f0ba1-a494-3df5-5d2f-ddc2eaf5f553@btinternet.com>
	<5283513D-1745-4C47-A8F5-20C6ECAB4C70@icloud.com>
Message-ID: <B216CCFDDB2841D6A4C63B45B04287F0@Gigabyte>

There must have been very heavy cloud somewhere yesterday evening.
We had breakup on BBC1 HD even with my 60cm dish but SD was OK.
They are on different transponders so may well have actually have been the 
Sky uplinks fading.
So SiS could well have been affected.
(Bring back a "proper" BBC UKI 1 3m uplink dish!)

Mike

-----Original Message----- 
From: Peter Neill via Tech1
Sent: Monday, May 28, 2018 10:47 PM
To: Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Tech1] BGT tonight

It appears to have been rain upsetting the sat link - even though they had 
to SIS trucks

Sent from my iPhone. Apologies for typos and autocorruptions.

> On 28 May 2018, at 22:39, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>
> Does anyone know why ITV London lost about 15 mins. of BGT at about 1935? 
> Cheers, Dave
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From graeme.wall at icloud.com  Tue May 29 02:59:33 2018
From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2018 08:59:33 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] BGT tonight
In-Reply-To: <B216CCFDDB2841D6A4C63B45B04287F0@Gigabyte>
References: <849f0ba1-a494-3df5-5d2f-ddc2eaf5f553@btinternet.com>
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(re Pic)

She doesn?t look like that now!

? 
Graeme Wall





> On 29 May 2018, at 08:40, Mike Jordan via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> There must have been very heavy cloud somewhere yesterday evening.
> We had breakup on BBC1 HD even with my 60cm dish but SD was OK.
> They are on different transponders so may well have actually have been the Sky uplinks fading.
> So SiS could well have been affected.
> (Bring back a "proper" BBC UKI 1 3m uplink dish!)
> 
> Mike
> 
> -----Original Message----- From: Peter Neill via Tech1
> Sent: Monday, May 28, 2018 10:47 PM
> To: Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> Subject: Re: [Tech1] BGT tonight
> 
> It appears to have been rain upsetting the sat link - even though they had to SIS trucks
> 
> Sent from my iPhone. Apologies for typos and autocorruptions.
> 
>> On 28 May 2018, at 22:39, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> Does anyone know why ITV London lost about 15 mins. of BGT at about 1935? Cheers, Dave
> <M UKI1 Gurnsey with Fern Britton.jpg>-- 
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From rogerbunce at btinternet.com  Tue May 29 04:18:10 2018
From: rogerbunce at btinternet.com (ROGER BUNCE)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2018 09:18:10 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tech1] BGT tonight
In-Reply-To: <849f0ba1-a494-3df5-5d2f-ddc2eaf5f553@btinternet.com>
References: <849f0ba1-a494-3df5-5d2f-ddc2eaf5f553@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <1184249013.10974946.1527585491008@mail.yahoo.com>

Sadly, it was only 15 mins.

      From: dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk 
 Sent: Monday, 28 May 2018, 22:40
 Subject: [Tech1] BGT tonight
   
Does anyone know why ITV London lost about 15 mins. of BGT at about 
1935? Cheers, Dave


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From waresound at msn.com  Tue May 29 05:46:32 2018
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2018 10:46:32 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] IEE paper on tthe BBC TVC (May 1962)
In-Reply-To: <5b4ecd0b-eb88-b2c3-7add-be58bc17a986@gmail.com>
References: <6773face-663c-3421-a885-db0c82bd33e5@gmail.com>
	<ba199a58-b2aa-1d22-4c2f-94c54ef83761@btinternet.com>,
	<5b4ecd0b-eb88-b2c3-7add-be58bc17a986@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <DB7P192MB0313971C052B77201D5443F0A76D0@DB7P192MB0313.EURP192.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

It downloaded no prob by clicking on the link in MS Outlook. And what a gem! A fascinating read, and how amazing to think that we all have way more technology in our mobile phones than in that entire building. And sobering to think that after 67 years we still can?t get elementary things like sound levels and lip-sync right!
Cheers,
 Nick.
Sent from my iPad

On 29 May 2018, at 08:20, Alec Bray via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk<mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:


Hello Hugh,

Thank you for your email!

On 29/05/2018 07:43, Hugh Sheppard wrote:

I was able to view this IEE paper, but not to save it as a pdf.  Not being familiar with 'Box' I then looked for it on the internet, but needed to be a member of the IEE.

Any thoughts on getting hold of it in a version to save?

I have not really used Box before (I usually use WeTransfer to nominated recipients), but Box is the default large file transfer used for Mozilla Thunderbird, so that's what I tried using.

As far as I am aware, if you can see the file in your browser, you should then be able to click the <Download> button: this should  put a copy into your default download directory.

<nmnnhlieabncbcmk.png>


If this doesn't work, I'll have to think again!



--

Best Regards

Alec

Alec Bray

alec.bray.2 at gmail.com<mailto:alec.bray.2 at gmail.com>
mob:     07789 561 346
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From alawrance1 at me.com  Tue May 29 05:53:47 2018
From: alawrance1 at me.com (Alasdair Lawrance)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2018 11:53:47 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] IEE paper on tthe BBC TVC (May 1962)
In-Reply-To: <6773face-663c-3421-a885-db0c82bd33e5@gmail.com>
References: <6773face-663c-3421-a885-db0c82bd33e5@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9A1E0383-D87C-462F-92C0-70938C761B61@me.com>

Downloaded fine and opened automatically in ?Preview' on my Granny Smith.

Just about to plough through it, and yes, we apparently can?t cope with different sound levels between SD and HD.


Alasdair Lawrance
alawrance1 at me.com






On 28 May 2018, at 16:23, Alec Bray via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

"...The B.B.C was in fact the first broadcasting authority to order camera channels designed for use with 4 1/2 in Image Orthicon tubes..."

Wow!  It's amazing what you learn when clearing out the loft (we are downsizing...).  This is from a paper:
The Institution of Electrical Engineers  The BBC Television Centre and Its Technical Facilities  Vol 109, Part B, no 45 May 1962

Hopefully a rough PDF scan of this document is available for you, sort of linked to this email (using Box) - I think it's well worth having a look at - IMHO there's a little gem in each paragraph!  Like there were plans for 275 Studio Technical Operators out of a staff of 2650 at TVC  (page 202)

Do you remember that Technical Operators could go to a technical library (er, where, memory fail here, somewhere ...) and get free reprints of any technical stuff that the BBC had had reprinted?  I've got a few and will try to scan some more in for you.  

I've linked 1 file to this email:
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 <https://app.box.com/s/66ndd03w3bhl6tdze38x3knd26992owr>
Mozilla Thunderbird <http://www.getthunderbird.com/> makes it easy to share large files over email.

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From doug.prior at talktalk.net  Tue May 29 18:49:24 2018
From: doug.prior at talktalk.net (doug.prior at talktalk.net)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2018 00:49:24 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [Tech1] Springwatch
Message-ID: <21155871.98551527637764302.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost>

Am I alone in thinking the live presenting skills of Gillian Burke are the worst of anyone in the history of the Watches.And she needs to get herself a hat!Best wishesDoug Prior
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From jpn at imixmics.co.uk  Wed May 30 02:56:55 2018
From: jpn at imixmics.co.uk (John Nottage)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2018 08:56:55 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [Tech1] Springwatch
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No! When Gillian Burke comes on, we mute the sound (or spool through if recorded). She's hopeless, no presenting skills at all! Don't think a hat would help. 

John

> On 30 May 2018 at 00:49 "doug.prior--- via Tech1" <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> Am I alone in thinking the live presenting skills of Gillian Burke are the worst of anyone in the history of the Watches.And she needs to get herself a hat!
Best wishes
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From mibridge at mac.com  Wed May 30 03:17:13 2018
From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2018 09:17:13 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Springwatch
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Is she related to Michael of the same surname?

Mike G

> On 30 May 2018, at 08:56, John Nottage via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> No! When Gillian Burke comes on, we mute the sound (or spool through if recorded). She's hopeless, no presenting skills at all! Don't think a hat would help. 
> 
> John
> 
>> On 30 May 2018 at 00:49 "doug.prior--- via Tech1" <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> Am I alone in thinking the live presenting skills of Gillian Burke are the worst of anyone in the history of the Watches.And she needs to get herself a hat!
> Best wishes
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From doug.prior at talktalk.net  Wed May 30 04:06:57 2018
From: doug.prior at talktalk.net (doug.prior at talktalk.net)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2018 10:06:57 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [Tech1] Springwatch
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Gillian is a black Kenyan so unlikely Mike!She is attractive,clever, has a lovely voice and does very nice recorded voiceovers but it all goes to pot when she is live and cannot seem to string a sentence together. Last night she spent the whole of one piece wrangling her hair because of the wind in silhouette with her back to the sun. It was so distracting I have no idea what she said!I must be getting old and cranky but I want presenters to be exactly that - presentable and eloquent but programme makers seem set on diversity in all forms many of which detract from the message.
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From graeme.wall at icloud.com  Wed May 30 04:28:37 2018
From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2018 10:28:37 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Springwatch
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She?s seems to suffer from a problem common to many reporters and presenters these days, the inability to speak a complete sentence, pauses in all the wrong places and never more than four words at a time.

? 
Graeme Wall





> On 30 May 2018, at 10:06, doug.prior--- via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Gillian is a black Kenyan so unlikely Mike!
> She is attractive,clever, has a lovely voice and does very nice recorded voiceovers but it all goes to pot when she is live and cannot seem to string a sentence together. Last night she spent the whole of one piece wrangling her hair because of the wind in silhouette with her back to the sun. It was so distracting I have no idea what she said!
> I must be getting old and cranky but I want presenters to be exactly that - presentable and eloquent but programme makers seem set on diversity in all forms many of which detract from the message.
> 
> Doug Prior
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From relong at btinternet.com  Wed May 30 04:48:36 2018
From: relong at btinternet.com (Roger E Long)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2018 10:48:36 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Springwatch
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The joy is watching in trepidation to see if she will make it through the piece
The concept of Watch is so wrong
Live ,on the spot PTC and then into film
The film pieces would be so much better without the clumsy, embarrassing links
Producers seem to love presenter banter as a link to viewer , in fact it just Blue Peters what could be good Natural History .
Diversity and Equality strike again
Roger

> On 30 May 2018, at 10:28, Graeme Wall via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> She?s seems to suffer from a problem common to many reporters and presenters these days, the inability to speak a complete sentence, pauses in all the wrong places and never more than four words at a time.
> 
> ? 
> Graeme Wall
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On 30 May 2018, at 10:06, doug.prior--- via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> Gillian is a black Kenyan so unlikely Mike!
>> She is attractive,clever, has a lovely voice and does very nice recorded voiceovers but it all goes to pot when she is live and cannot seem to string a sentence together. Last night she spent the whole of one piece wrangling her hair because of the wind in silhouette with her back to the sun. It was so distracting I have no idea what she said!
>> I must be getting old and cranky but I want presenters to be exactly that - presentable and eloquent but programme makers seem set on diversity in all forms many of which detract from the message.
>> 
>> Doug Prior
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From patheigham at amps.net  Wed May 30 07:57:15 2018
From: patheigham at amps.net (patrickheigham)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2018 13:57:15 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Springwatch
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I recall working in Athens for NBC Sports, shooting a scene setting piece
prior to the Olympics one year.
Piece to camera, about 40 secs, at the original Stadium in that city.
Very attractive presenter with whom I had worked earlier, and later
as well.
But! 37 takes for this 40 sec spot. Someone of the calibre of Sue
Barker would have knocked it off in a couple of takes, and we could
have gone for an early lunch!

Another bugbear is excessive arm and hand gesturing.
Adam Hart-Davies, when asked what he did for a living, said:
"I'm a testiculator. I wave my arms about and talk a lot of bollocks!"

Pat

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Graeme Wall via Tech1" <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
To: <doug.prior at talktalk.net>
Cc: <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2018 10:28 AM
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Springwatch


> She?s seems to suffer from a problem common to many reporters and 
> presenters these days, the inability to speak a complete sentence, pauses 
> in all the wrong places and never more than four words at a time.
>
> ?
> Graeme Wall
>
>
>
>
>
>> On 30 May 2018, at 10:06, doug.prior--- via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Gillian is a black Kenyan so unlikely Mike!
>> She is attractive,clever, has a lovely voice and does very nice recorded 
>> voiceovers but it all goes to pot when she is live and cannot seem to 
>> string a sentence together. Last night she spent the whole of one piece 
>> wrangling her hair because of the wind in silhouette with her back to the 
>> sun. It was so distracting I have no idea what she said!
>> I must be getting old and cranky but I want presenters to be exactly 
>> that - presentable and eloquent but programme makers seem set on 
>> diversity in all forms many of which detract from the message.
>>
>> Doug Prior
>> -- 
>> Tech1 mailing> 


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From patheigham at amps.net  Wed May 30 12:36:06 2018
From: patheigham at amps.net (patrickheigham)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2018 18:36:06 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Springwatch
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Of course, one of the things that has been ditched by the lack of any
sensible training, now operated by the Corporation - NOT, was the training offered
to staff directors, where they were given a studio and crew to make a programme.
Thus everyone was singing from the same song sheet!

So sad!
Pat
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Bernard Newnham 
  To: patrickheigham 
  Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2018 3:00 PM
  Subject: Re: [Tech1] Springwatch


  At NAB 1998 I interviewed the then head of BBC VT about technology advances in the light of the DV camera I was holding and the desktop editor I was heading for when I got home. After a while I realised that she had no idea what i was on about, and was talking complete bollocks. I had to stop to give her a full briefing - effectively the answers to the questions.  She left soon after - I think she went off to run a water company.

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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Wed May 30 15:18:45 2018
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2018 21:18:45 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Springwatch
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Training comes from many different places these days. I recently wrote 
this for the ITTP -


It?s a very British story, usually told about inventors, but maybe also 
about innovators.....

We had an idea, a really good idea. We took it around to show people ? 
the meeting rooms of the big TV players, exhibition stands to talk to 
the smaller companies and others. All the big boys and girls - and the 
small ones - said "Great stuff, you should do this - make it happen". 
"We will, we said, we will - we really think it needs doing, as do you. 
Ummm - just one tiny thing - we could do with some money to get started. 
Not very much at all in terms of your profits, you won't even notice......"

.........And that's where we ground to a halt.

What we had suggested was that the technical end of the UK tv industry 
needs to set some basic standards for newcomers. Just like, in the wider 
world, the accountants, and the plumbers and the pharmacists, and, 
and.......

Not overly original, but in the technical end of modern TV making, 
ground breaking.

Once upon a time, long long ago, people destined for cameras, sound, 
engineering etc, in the UK tv industry learned at the BBC. It's still a 
badge of competence - "What Evesham course were you on?" Not quite a 
secret society, no obscure handshakes, but an instant camaraderie, and a 
reasonable guarantee that the person you're speaking to has passed 
through a system that made sure they have a competent way of working. An 
understanding of their area of work that means that the job gets done 
properly. Evesham is still there - I think ? but training has long ago 
passed to a legion of universities and other training establishments. 
There?s good, bad and indifferent ? what there isn?t is an accepted set 
of standards for the leavers to reach.

A while back a group of us got together and formed the ITTP ? the 
Institute for Training in Television Production. We asked - ?Has anyone 
else noticed that incomers don?t have the basics any more?? ?Oh yes!?, 
said everyone. ?Ohms Law, what?s that?? said students. So we worked on 
it, and it lead to the ITTP Approved Skills Scheme ? basically a list of 
the skills needed from starters. Nothing fancy, nothing that someone who 
had done 14 weeks at BBC Evesham wouldn?t have ? and someone after three 
years at university really, really should have. You can find the list on 
line ? _http://www.tech-ops.co.uk/ittp/as.pdf_. It was put together with 
a lot of help from current practitioners, and we regard it as work in 
progress. TV changes, technology changes, and so should the standards 
for newcomers.

Training comes from many places these days. The Approved Skills Scheme 
doesn?t care, any more than the driving test examiner. At the end of 
training each starter would pass appropriate theory and practical tests 
and then receive accreditation that any potential employer can accept. 
Just like the accountants, plumbers, pharmacists, electricians etc etc. 
Universities love the idea, just like the employers. Something that they 
can work to. It just needs money to develop.

Now, finally, just possibly, there?s a chance of advancement. The IMIS, 
once the BKSTS, has offered some possibilities, maybe a way to get this 
done. It just a pity that the big industry players ? those who will 
benefit ? haven?t put their money where their mouths are.

Bernard Newnham 20/05/2018




On 30/05/2018 18:36, patrickheigham via Tech1 wrote:
> Of course, one of the things that has been ditched by the lack of any
> sensible training, now operated by the Corporation - NOT, was the 
> training offered
> to staff directors, where they were given a studio and crew to make a 
> programme.
> Thus everyone was singing from the same song sheet!
> So sad!
> Pat
>
>     ----- Original Message -----
>     *From:* Bernard Newnham <mailto:bernie833 at gmail.com>
>     *To:* patrickheigham <mailto:patheigham at amps.net>
>     *Sent:* Wednesday, May 30, 2018 3:00 PM
>     *Subject:* Re: [Tech1] Springwatch
>
>     At NAB 1998 I interviewed the then head of BBC VT about technology
>     advances in the light of the DV camera I was holding and the
>     desktop editor I was heading for when I got home. After a while I
>     realised that she had no idea what i was on about, and was talking
>     complete bollocks. I had to stop to give her a full briefing -
>     effectively the answers to the questions.? She left soon after - I
>     think she went off to run a water company.
>
>     B
>
>
>
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From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2018 21:19:34 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Standards and training - was Springwatch
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Training comes from many different places these days. I recently wrote 
this for the ITTP -


It?s a very British story, usually told about inventors, but maybe also 
about innovators.....

We had an idea, a really good idea. We took it around to show people ? 
the meeting rooms of the big TV players, exhibition stands to talk to 
the smaller companies and others. All the big boys and girls - and the 
small ones - said "Great stuff, you should do this - make it happen". 
"We will, we said, we will - we really think it needs doing, as do you. 
Ummm - just one tiny thing - we could do with some money to get started. 
Not very much at all in terms of your profits, you won't even notice......"

.........And that's where we ground to a halt.

What we had suggested was that the technical end of the UK tv industry 
needs to set some basic standards for newcomers. Just like, in the wider 
world, the accountants, and the plumbers and the pharmacists, and, 
and.......

Not overly original, but in the technical end of modern TV making, 
ground breaking.

Once upon a time, long long ago, people destined for cameras, sound, 
engineering etc, in the UK tv industry learned at the BBC. It's still a 
badge of competence - "What Evesham course were you on?" Not quite a 
secret society, no obscure handshakes, but an instant camaraderie, and a 
reasonable guarantee that the person you're speaking to has passed 
through a system that made sure they have a competent way of working. An 
understanding of their area of work that means that the job gets done 
properly. Evesham is still there - I think ? but training has long ago 
passed to a legion of universities and other training establishments. 
There?s good, bad and indifferent ? what there isn?t is an accepted set 
of standards for the leavers to reach.

A while back a group of us got together and formed the ITTP ? the 
Institute for Training in Television Production. We asked - ?Has anyone 
else noticed that incomers don?t have the basics any more?? ?Oh yes!?, 
said everyone. ?Ohms Law, what?s that?? said students. So we worked on 
it, and it lead to the ITTP Approved Skills Scheme ? basically a list of 
the skills needed from starters. Nothing fancy, nothing that someone who 
had done 14 weeks at BBC Evesham wouldn?t have ? and someone after three 
years at university really, really should have. You can find the list on 
line ? _http://www.tech-ops.co.uk/ittp/as.pdf_. It was put together with 
a lot of help from current practitioners, and we regard it as work in 
progress. TV changes, technology changes, and so should the standards 
for newcomers.

Training comes from many places these days. The Approved Skills Scheme 
doesn?t care, any more than the driving test examiner. At the end of 
training each starter would pass appropriate theory and practical tests 
and then receive accreditation that any potential employer can accept. 
Just like the accountants, plumbers, pharmacists, electricians etc etc. 
Universities love the idea, just like the employers. Something that they 
can work to. It just needs money to develop.

Now, finally, just possibly, there?s a chance of advancement. The IMIS, 
once the BKSTS, has offered some possibilities, maybe a way to get this 
done. It just a pity that the big industry players ? those who will 
benefit ? haven?t put their money where their mouths are.

Bernard Newnham 20/05/2018




On 30/05/2018 18:36, patrickheigham via Tech1 wrote:
> Of course, one of the things that has been ditched by the lack of any
> sensible training, now operated by the Corporation - NOT, was the 
> training offered
> to staff directors, where they were given a studio and crew to make a 
> programme.
> Thus everyone was singing from the same song sheet!
> So sad!
> Pat
>
>     ----- Original Message -----
>     *From:* Bernard Newnham <mailto:bernie833 at gmail.com>
>     *To:* patrickheigham <mailto:patheigham at amps.net>
>     *Sent:* Wednesday, May 30, 2018 3:00 PM
>     *Subject:* Re: [Tech1] Springwatch
>
>     At NAB 1998 I interviewed the then head of BBC VT about technology
>     advances in the light of the DV camera I was holding and the
>     desktop editor I was heading for when I got home. After a while I
>     realised that she had no idea what i was on about, and was talking
>     complete bollocks. I had to stop to give her a full briefing -
>     effectively the answers to the questions.? She left soon after - I
>     think she went off to run a water company.
>
>     B
>
>
>
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From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2018 21:15:11 +0000
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Ah yes, I know that story. I worked with her several times too. She was Donna de Verona, a three times Olympic gold medallist swimmer, from age 13 (1960) and a World record holder. Joined ABC sports at age 17 as a sports presenter and telecaster, where she has done much to champion women?s rights in sports and broadcasting. The thing you did was aprox 1985, and my informed source tells me it was indeed a lot of takes, but probably more like 15. So, a very distinguished broadcaster by any standards, and still at ABC apparently.
Haven?t seen Springwatch, but Gillian Burke has a CV as a naturalist and real life experience that isn?t to be sniffed at. Personally, I prefer a presenter who is knowledgeable on their subject rather than some pretty face (any gender) reliant on makeup, Autocue and earpiece.

Oh, and by the way, that old myth about BBC training. It is and always has been possible to learn your trade outside the BBC!
Cheers,
Nick.
Sent from my iPad

On 30 May 2018, at 13:57, patrickheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk<mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:

I recall working in Athens for NBC Sports, shooting a scene setting piece
prior to the Olympics one year.
Piece to camera, about 40 secs, at the original Stadium in that city.
Very attractive presenter with whom I had worked earlier, and later
as well.
But! 37 takes for this 40 sec spot. Someone of the calibre of Sue
Barker would have knocked it off in a couple of takes, and we could
have gone for an early lunch!


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From peter.neill at icloud.com  Wed May 30 16:50:31 2018
From: peter.neill at icloud.com (Peter Neill)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2018 22:50:31 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Springwatch
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Pat - There was a BBC multi-camera director?s course (in a studio, with a crew) within the last month.

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I can?t find a list of courses - maybe that?s internal only.

Peter





> On 30 May 2018, at 21:18, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Training comes from many different places these days. I recently wrote this for the ITTP - 
> 
> 
> It?s a very British story, usually told about inventors, but maybe also about innovators.....
> 
> We had an idea, a really good idea. We took it around to show people ? the meeting rooms of the big TV players, exhibition stands to talk to the smaller companies and others. All the big boys and girls - and the small ones - said "Great stuff, you should do this - make it happen". "We will, we said, we will - we really think it needs doing, as do you. Ummm - just one tiny thing - we could do with some money to get started. Not very much at all in terms of your profits, you won't even notice......" 
> 
> .........And that's where we ground to a halt. 
> 
> What we had suggested was that the technical end of the UK tv industry needs to set some basic standards for newcomers. Just like, in the wider world, the accountants, and the plumbers and the pharmacists, and, and....... 
> 
> Not overly original, but in the technical end of modern TV making, ground breaking. 
> 
> Once upon a time, long long ago, people destined for cameras, sound, engineering etc, in the UK tv industry learned at the BBC. It's still a badge of competence - "What Evesham course were you on?" Not quite a secret society, no obscure handshakes, but an instant camaraderie, and a reasonable guarantee that the person you're speaking to has passed through a system that made sure they have a competent way of working. An understanding of their area of work that means that the job gets done properly. Evesham is still there - I think ? but training has long ago passed to a legion of universities and other training establishments. There?s good, bad and indifferent ? what there isn?t is an accepted set of standards for the leavers to reach.
> 
> A while back a group of us got together and formed the ITTP ? the Institute for Training in Television Production. We asked - ?Has anyone else noticed that incomers don?t have the basics any more?? ?Oh yes!?, said everyone. ?Ohms Law, what?s that?? said students. So we worked on it, and it lead to the ITTP Approved Skills Scheme ? basically a list of the skills needed from starters. Nothing fancy, nothing that someone who had done 14 weeks at BBC Evesham wouldn?t have ? and someone after three years at university really, really should have. You can find the list on line ? http://track.smtpserver.email/20919/c?p=TyMbhFzIcYw-qgJvJF8NuY066P1O8IVgsnl2posy8fD4YZLyoEBEuSG2-OgYc0NEKqJZregKCE_mwJEvwO7KiVGD3WWvBovObqmmzWD2_dpRrsLnkKkXnZ1QbyPGgNvKatYquQU4temdV5zlyiaNsQ== <http://track.smtpserver.email/20919/c?p=X2sCsiiRGKjj4rcHXFzm0R4EJCTzOoDm9QGdaQyGr1VZOFmegA4byQj2D5_4_bDQZQC_i7rEox2NBpvgmMsZQqCQYTlXW3s4rTfKOac-u-3Ci_xZfRXCCpERNBrCKcB0HcSZ-w7jKJPrthZfTQMLvQ==>. It was put together with a lot of help from current practitioners, and we regard it as work in progress. TV changes, technology changes, and so should the standards for newcomers.
> 
> Training comes from many places these days. The Approved Skills Scheme doesn?t care, any more than the driving test examiner. At the end of training each starter would pass appropriate theory and practical tests and then receive accreditation that any potential employer can accept. Just like the accountants, plumbers, pharmacists, electricians etc etc. Universities love the idea, just like the employers. Something that they can work to. It just needs money to develop.
> 
> Now, finally, just possibly, there?s a chance of advancement. The IMIS, once the BKSTS, has offered some possibilities, maybe a way to get this done. It just a pity that the big industry players ? those who will benefit ? haven?t put their money where their mouths are.
> 
> Bernard Newnham 20/05/2018
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 30/05/2018 18:36, patrickheigham via Tech1 wrote:
>> Of course, one of the things that has been ditched by the lack of any
>> sensible training, now operated by the Corporation - NOT, was the training offered
>> to staff directors, where they were given a studio and crew to make a programme.
>> Thus everyone was singing from the same song sheet!
>>  
>> So sad!
>> Pat
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Bernard Newnham <mailto:bernie833 at gmail.com>
>> To: patrickheigham <mailto:patheigham at amps.net>
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2018 3:00 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Springwatch
>> 
>> At NAB 1998 I interviewed the then head of BBC VT about technology advances in the light of the DV camera I was holding and the desktop editor I was heading for when I got home. After a while I realised that she had no idea what i was on about, and was talking complete bollocks. I had to stop to give her a full briefing - effectively the answers to the questions.  She left soon after - I think she went off to run a water company.
>> 
>> B
>> 
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From geoffletch at gmail.com  Thu May 31 04:20:48 2018
From: geoffletch at gmail.com (Geoff Fletcher)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2018 10:20:48 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Springwatch
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What happens when we have all gone? No one will know how high were the
standards to which we were taught, and worse still, I doubt anyone but a
few will care.
Money rules  now - the dead grey hands and minds of accountants and money
men lie like a pall over anything creative. It will only get worse I fear.

Geoff F

On Wed, May 30, 2018 at 10:50 PM, Peter Neill via Tech1 <
tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

> Pat - There was a BBC multi-camera director?s course (in a studio, with a
> crew) within the last month.
>
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/academy/production/television/directing
> <http://track.smtpserver.email/20919/c?p=qy9yaDMpv8HNsWeNPOPAaOP2D2s0-fdgl88o7bnEJEkh7pZkMzWFF0S38sO5IpKSInZ4CU1qJQXwcTUQmrrfJOiAHGbLuRwEZITevr-QnsANGrFESc_bpZWNoFtmx-tKriuiW0MRFKysyrPOkTnAPVhSfFjjBe4PfuEtPrfvJ-k=>
>
> I can?t find a list of courses - maybe that?s internal only.
>
> Peter
>
>
>
>
>
> On 30 May 2018, at 21:18, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
> Training comes from many different places these days. I recently wrote
> this for the ITTP -
>
>
> It?s a very British story, usually told about inventors, but maybe also
> about innovators.....
>
> We had an idea, a really good idea. We took it around to show people ? the
> meeting rooms of the big TV players, exhibition stands to talk to the
> smaller companies and others. All the big boys and girls - and the small
> ones - said "Great stuff, you should do this - make it happen". "We will,
> we said, we will - we really think it needs doing, as do you. Ummm - just
> one tiny thing - we could do with some money to get started. Not very much
> at all in terms of your profits, you won't even notice......"
>
> .........And that's where we ground to a halt.
>
> What we had suggested was that the technical end of the UK tv industry
> needs to set some basic standards for newcomers. Just like, in the wider
> world, the accountants, and the plumbers and the pharmacists, and,
> and.......
>
> Not overly original, but in the technical end of modern TV making, ground
> breaking.
>
> Once upon a time, long long ago, people destined for cameras, sound,
> engineering etc, in the UK tv industry learned at the BBC. It's still a
> badge of competence - "What Evesham course were you on?" Not quite a secret
> society, no obscure handshakes, but an instant camaraderie, and a
> reasonable guarantee that the person you're speaking to has passed through
> a system that made sure they have a competent way of working. An
> understanding of their area of work that means that the job gets done
> properly. Evesham is still there - I think ? but training has long ago
> passed to a legion of universities and other training establishments.
> There?s good, bad and indifferent ? what there isn?t is an accepted set of
> standards for the leavers to reach.
>
> A while back a group of us got together and formed the ITTP ? the
> Institute for Training in Television Production. We asked - ?Has anyone
> else noticed that incomers don?t have the basics any more?? ?Oh yes!?, said
> everyone. ?Ohms Law, what?s that?? said students. So we worked on it, and
> it lead to the ITTP Approved Skills Scheme ? basically a list of the skills
> needed from starters. Nothing fancy, nothing that someone who had done 14
> weeks at BBC Evesham wouldn?t have ? and someone after three years at
> university really, really should have. You can find the list on line ? *http://www.tech-ops.co.uk/ittp/as.pdf
> <http://track.smtpserver.email/20919/c?p=tnXg0z7AXJX3Ar2x4lypOEZwRJ0gI5HA9r-PaQ-gKxzY2nzS52mXhqqQmtUj14h6hiF3xifF9DsZlldkccXlv0Loeb1TN2MLzO1-gkYwWrkGsa8XasPOMQG6UshCWx00m76WlB9-fNhlMx_UMB4lXg==>*.
> It was put together with a lot of help from current practitioners, and we
> regard it as work in progress. TV changes, technology changes, and so
> should the standards for newcomers.
>
> Training comes from many places these days. The Approved Skills Scheme
> doesn?t care, any more than the driving test examiner. At the end of
> training each starter would pass appropriate theory and practical tests and
> then receive accreditation that any potential employer can accept. Just
> like the accountants, plumbers, pharmacists, electricians etc etc.
> Universities love the idea, just like the employers. Something that they
> can work to. It just needs money to develop.
>
> Now, finally, just possibly, there?s a chance of advancement. The IMIS,
> once the BKSTS, has offered some possibilities, maybe a way to get this
> done. It just a pity that the big industry players ? those who will benefit
> ? haven?t put their money where their mouths are.
>
> Bernard Newnham 20/05/2018
>
>
>
>
> On 30/05/2018 18:36, patrickheigham via Tech1 wrote:
>
> Of course, one of the things that has been ditched by the lack of any
> sensible training, now operated by the Corporation - NOT, was the training
> offered
> to staff directors, where they were given a studio and crew to make a
> programme.
> Thus everyone was singing from the same song sheet!
>
> So sad!
> Pat
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Bernard Newnham <bernie833 at gmail.com>
> *To:* patrickheigham <patheigham at amps.net>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 30, 2018 3:00 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [Tech1] Springwatch
>
> At NAB 1998 I interviewed the then head of BBC VT about technology
> advances in the light of the DV camera I was holding and the desktop editor
> I was heading for when I got home. After a while I realised that she had
> no idea what i was on about, and was talking complete bollocks. I had to
> stop to give her a full briefing - effectively the answers to the
> questions.  She left soon after - I think she went off to run a water
> company.
>
> B
>
>
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From waresound at msn.com  Thu May 31 05:32:39 2018
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2018 10:32:39 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] BBC training
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I?m sure we all look back on BBC training, and Evesham in particular with a fair degree of nostalgia. Here?s my first impression of Wood Norton, in a letter home soon after arrival there - a letter kept all this time by my Mum, and given to me shortly before she died. I vividly remember that we were definitely encouraged to believe that no-one outside the Beeb could possibly know anything about TV in those days!
How does it compare with others? memories?
Speaking of memory: I hope I haven?t posted this before!

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From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk  Thu May 31 05:55:59 2018
From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2018 11:55:59 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] BBC training
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Yes, there was a touch of that arrogance.

I have enormous respect for Evesham training, and benefited from it 
wonderfully, but the BBC did tend to imagine it had a monopoly on 
everything involved with "good broadcasting". People trained elsewhere, 
and the use of non-BBC equipment such as VUs, and non-constant impedance 
interfaces for audio, ~couldn't~ be acceptable.

This attitude retained some of the imperial thinking of Britain from the 
last century or so, and did the BBC no favours. Indeed I think it made 
it easier for the likes of Birt to bring about the brutal and 
destructive changes that he wrought. The organisation needed reshaping, 
but not his method of doing it.

Chris Woolf


On 31/05/2018 11:32, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote:
> I?m sure we all look back on BBC training, and Evesham in particular 
> with a fair degree of nostalgia. Here?s my first impression of Wood 
> Norton, in a letter home soon after arrival there - a letter kept all 
> this time by my Mum, and given to me shortly before she died. I 
> vividly remember that we were definitely encouraged to believe that 
> no-one outside the Beeb could possibly know anything about TV in those 
> days!
> How does it compare with others? memories?
> Speaking of memory: I hope I haven?t posted this before!
>
>
>



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From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com  Thu May 31 06:19:41 2018
From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2018 12:19:41 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] BBC training
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Hi all,


On 31/05/2018 11:55, Chris Woolf via Tech1 wrote:
> the use of non-BBC equipment such as VUs, and non-constant impedance 
> interfaces for audio, ~couldn't~ be acceptable.

Here is attached another one of my store of BBC reprints.? This actually 
seems to be an internally recopied version of a document, using stencil 
duplication, dated May 1963 and copied by "avd".? In it, it says:

"_*... Genlock*_
Appeared in 1954.? A General Electric (U.S.A.) invention..."

Now, interestingly, during my time at the Beeb, I was under the 
impression that Genlock was a BBC invention - so I have to echo Chris' 
comments!

I've linked 1 file to this email:
survey_source_synchronisation.pdf 
<https://app.box.com/s/pohw6pcxhmfxawv6bwi3ed2mcksxm9zb>(5.9 MB)Box 
<https://www.box.com/thunderbird>https://app.box.com/s/pohw6pcxhmfxawv6bwi3ed2mcksxm9zb
Mozilla Thunderbird <http://www.getthunderbird.com> makes it easy to 
share large files over email.

(Apologies if some of the "mu"s for micro are missing - there are poor 
in the original.)



We were certainly technical Technical Operators!


Nowadays I suppose we would get points for "Continuous Personal 
Development" for accessing these sorts of documents!

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Best Regards

Alec

Alec Bray

alec.bray.2 at gmail.com
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home:  0118 942 9543

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From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk  Thu May 31 07:33:15 2018
From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2018 13:33:15 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] BBC training
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The BBC Engineering Dept was brilliant, and did a great deal to improve 
the technology of broadcasting. However it was capable of believing its 
own propaganda.

Very often they took other people's ideas, modified them to suit UK 
standards (and sometimes materially improved them too), and then 
promoted them as BBC designs without paying as much credit as they 
should have to the original developers. Most large organisations are 
capable of this, and the BBC was no worse than others, but one needs to 
be aware of the problem when dealing with the technical history of the 
Corporation.

You can compare much of this with the attitude of British industry up 
until, maybe as late as the 70s. There was an implicit belief that "we" 
could do things better than Johnny Foreigner, and that prevented us 
being self-critical. Only when our industries and service organisations 
began to collapse because we had become stuck in old-fashioned grooves, 
as new-fangled technologies and techniques from abroad had already 
overtaken what we were doing, did we begin to recognise the fault.

The mindset is far from eradicated - you can still see it amongst some 
Brexiteers - and may take a generation more to undergo enough revision. 
I mention this only because all new training using Bernie's scheme has 
to studiously avoid repeating this cultural problem. The training needs 
to be deeply aware of the historical roots of the craft, but avoid being 
trapped into fossilising techniques and attitudes. That is a case, 
primarily, of making sure that the teachers never retreat into "doing 
things the way we used to do them" because they cannot see how 
production methods have to evolve. It is particularly dangerous where 
many of the craft-skills may only be known by a handful of grey-haired 
gentlemen (advisedly - women are almost wholly unrepresented), and these 
souls should undergo a rigorous self-examination to prevent the 
possibility of them passing on unreconstructed attitudes or ideas;}

Chris Woolf


On 31/05/2018 12:19, Alec Bray via Tech1 wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
>
> On 31/05/2018 11:55, Chris Woolf via Tech1 wrote:
>> the use of non-BBC equipment such as VUs, and non-constant impedance 
>> interfaces for audio, ~couldn't~ be acceptable.
>
> Here is attached another one of my store of BBC reprints.? This 
> actually seems to be an internally recopied version of a document, 
> using stencil duplication, dated May 1963 and copied by "avd".? In it, 
> it says:
>
> "_*... Genlock*_
> Appeared in 1954.? A General Electric (U.S.A.) invention..."
>
> Now, interestingly, during my time at the Beeb, I was under the 
> impression that Genlock was a BBC invention - so I have to echo Chris' 
> comments!
>
> I've linked 1 file to this email:
> survey_source_synchronisation.pdf 
> <https://app.box.com/s/pohw6pcxhmfxawv6bwi3ed2mcksxm9zb>(5.9 MB)Box 
> <https://www.box.com/thunderbird>https://app.box.com/s/pohw6pcxhmfxawv6bwi3ed2mcksxm9zb
> Mozilla Thunderbird <http://www.getthunderbird.com> makes it easy to 
> share large files over email.
>
> (Apologies if some of the "mu"s for micro are missing - there are poor 
> in the original.)
>
>
>
> We were certainly technical Technical Operators!
>
>
> Nowadays I suppose we would get points for "Continuous Personal 
> Development" for accessing these sorts of documents!
> -- 
>
> Best Regards
>
> Alec
>
> Alec Bray
>
> alec.bray.2 at gmail.com
> mob:     07789 561 346
> home:  0118 942 9543
>
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From peter.neill at icloud.com  Thu May 31 07:44:09 2018
From: peter.neill at icloud.com (Peter Neill)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2018 13:44:09 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Someone mentioned Genlock
Message-ID: <AC7C8513-AF70-4493-A676-86BAF33A5885@icloud.com>

I was amused by this lady?s name - and then I realised that they?d got the second line arse about face!

Peter

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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Thu May 31 08:40:29 2018
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2018 14:40:29 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] BBC training
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Yes - we are well aware of this, and we asked around a lot to make sure 
that when we made the list we wouldn't be bogged down into "Back in my 
day..." etc.

I'm not the only one in the group currently teaching this stuff. It 
turns out that some things are timeless, though still affected by 
progress. For instance, Ohm's Law is Ohm's Law, but when you move to - 
say - LED lights, you use a lot less power and don't come up against 
"How many redheads will blow the fuse?"? Mind you, we only have redheads 
as LEDs cost a fortune.? Colour temperature doesn't change, but I've 
been teaching V-Log on our new Panasonic cameras for the first time, and 
LUTs on PPro.? Everything changes, but not by that much. Bad sound is 
still bad sound, abad shot is still a bad shot (allowing for fashion)

B


On 31/05/2018 13:33, Chris Woolf via Tech1 wrote:
> I mention this only because all new training using Bernie's scheme has 
> to studiously avoid repeating this cultural problem.

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From dave at davesound.co.uk  Thu May 31 09:00:50 2018
From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2018 15:00:50 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] BBC training
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In article <c2e07d44-52b4-fb11-2327-34363d5b56db at gmail.com>,
   Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>  Bad sound is 
> still bad sound, abad shot is still a bad shot (allowing for fashion)

Which can be a problem. It is a fine balance between present day
production techniques which can degrade the absolute quality of something
and expediency.

Say you insist on shooting several different angles at the same time.
There is liely to be at least some lighting compromise to allow this.

-- 
*Beauty is in the eye of the beer holder...

    Dave Plowman     dave at davesound.co.uk     London SW 12
    


From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk  Thu May 31 09:41:59 2018
From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2018 15:41:59 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] BBC training
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Indeed, Bernie, my comments were an underlining for this list, rather 
than any comment on what the training group are doing. I know that you 
are equally sensitive to the problem.

Certainly what current exponents of TV are trying to achieve is 
essentially no different from the beginnings of film - and a great deal 
of the fundamentals is simple physics and biology. But many things have 
changed that alter the approach we have to make. When you and I were 
training, time was inflexible - aside from extremely limited delay lines 
it was impossible to store frames, read them out backwards, grossly 
re-time them etc, and that makes enormous differences to the engineering 
approach of how pictures are produced and effects are generated.? 
Likewise the mass of equipment has changed, and thus the relevance of 
devices such as studio peds has reduced dramatically. Things like radio 
mics have changed so amazingly since our almost forgotten days of yore, 
that they have revolutionised the capture of sound ... perhaps one of 
the most unfortunate evolutions.

It takes the ability to see that, say, the art of editing on a 
Steenbeck, a pair of Ampexs, or a laptop is the ~same~ art, irrespective 
of the tools used, and to recognise that the craft and the medium are 
not necessarily intimately connected. In the same way the achievement of 
a smooth shot that doesn't disturb the audience doesn't have to be 
produced by JA on a ped, but can equally emerge from a Steadycam or a drone.

With your example of LEDs you also have to relearn what colour 
temperature does and doesn't mean, because you are now dealing with 
non-continuous spectra - again something that didn't really exist in TV 
lighting when thee and me learnt it.

So I think I would argue that the changes are actually greater than you 
imply, and that the degree of agility in teaching craft has to be 
equally great. I'm often aware that the various media-tech people I meet 
from several establishments don't manage to dance very well;}

Chris Woolf


On 31/05/2018 14:40, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote:
> Yes - we are well aware of this, and we asked around a lot to make 
> sure that when we made the list we wouldn't be bogged down into "Back 
> in my day..." etc.
>
> I'm not the only one in the group currently teaching this stuff. It 
> turns out that some things are timeless, though still affected by 
> progress. For instance, Ohm's Law is Ohm's Law, but when you move to - 
> say - LED lights, you use a lot less power and don't come up against 
> "How many redheads will blow the fuse?"? Mind you, we only have 
> redheads as LEDs cost a fortune. Colour temperature doesn't change, 
> but I've been teaching V-Log on our new Panasonic cameras for the 
> first time, and LUTs on PPro. Everything changes, but not by that 
> much. Bad sound is still bad sound, abad shot is still a bad shot 
> (allowing for fashion)
>
> B
>
>
> On 31/05/2018 13:33, Chris Woolf via Tech1 wrote:
>> I mention this only because all new training using Bernie's scheme 
>> has to studiously avoid repeating this cultural problem.
>
>
>



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From patheigham at amps.net  Thu May 31 10:19:08 2018
From: patheigham at amps.net (patrickheigham)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2018 16:19:08 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Springwatch
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I was trying to spare the lady's blushes, by not revealing her name.
Nick is correct, it was an ABC shoot, I must have gone twice
to Athens, as I do remember one for NBC.
The other famous multi-take involved her in a horsedrawn sleigh
in Kitzbuhel, I believe. Eventually getting all the words right, she
spoilt it by handing over to the wrong name back in the studio!

With regard to BBC training and practice - my Dad, who was
military, once told me that there were three ways of doing things:
the Right Way, the Wrong Way, and the Army Way.
I came to realise that it applied to the BBC, too.

The benefit of BBC training was a thorough background into
the physics of the technical aspects of TV and Radio Broadcasting.
Armed with that, it was possible to know how far to bend/break the
rules.
(My initial interview with the Engineering Dept. was with Esler,
a very senior engineer, who proved to me that I didn't know Ohm's
Law - I knew I did, but it was an unnerving experience, made more
so when he was on my next acceptance board!)

I attach a tale of working for the Americans on a major feature, but
that was then, and US sound technicians may well be ahead of us,
now, in the digital age?

Regards
Pat
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Nick Ware via Tech1 
  To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk 
  Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2018 10:15 PM
  Subject: Re: [Tech1] Springwatch


  Ah yes, I know that story. I worked with her several times too. She was Donna de Verona, a three times Olympic gold medallist swimmer, from age 13 (1960) and a World record holder. Joined ABC sports at age 17 as a sports presenter and telecaster, where she has done much to champion women?s rights in sports and broadcasting. The thing you did was aprox 1985, and my informed source tells me it was indeed a lot of takes, but probably more like 15. So, a very distinguished broadcaster by any standards, and still at ABC apparently. 
  Haven?t seen Springwatch, but Gillian Burke has a CV as a naturalist and real life experience that isn?t to be sniffed at. Personally, I prefer a presenter who is knowledgeable on their subject rather than some pretty face (any gender) reliant on makeup, Autocue and earpiece. 

  Oh, and by the way, that old myth about BBC training. It is and always has been possible to learn your trade outside the BBC!
  Cheers,
  Nick.

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From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk  Thu May 31 11:28:37 2018
From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2018 17:28:37 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Springwatch
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On 31/05/2018 16:19, patrickheigham via Tech1 wrote:
> I attach a tale of working for the Americans on a major feature, but
> that was then, and US sound technicians may well be ahead of us,
> now, in the digital age?
>
Sadly, the situation is probably still the same.

Most US technicians have not had much formal training, and have very 
little grasp of the problems of synchronisation. The subject has always 
been weak in the UK, and in the US it is complicated by some unfortunate 
choices of frame rates etc, so is even harder to get to grips with. 
Reading through the various techie groups you sense that crossed fingers 
and a prayer is what holds most audio and video approximately together. 
One day someone will invent the formal post of "syncmeister" ...

Chris Woolf


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From relong at btinternet.com  Thu May 31 12:00:19 2018
From: relong at btinternet.com (Roger E Long)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2018 18:00:19 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] BBC training
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P &ID can take a lot of blame for BBC intransigence on foreign technology
BBC Television Studios tried very hard to adopt the Nagra  and its brilliant neopilot sync solution
They would not consider it viable and butchered Nagra IIIs to half track and used the lower track for pulse
This annoyed Steffan Kudelski so much that he stopped supply Nagras to TFS
The Perfectone recorder was now favoured, a reliable tank that groaned and wheezed through takes, noisier than the Arriflex on the sound stages at Ealing
Eventually common sense prevailed ,especially with the arrival of the Nagra IV, a genius machine, much in world demand
TFS ordered 100 of em
The BBC  was better with radio mics, Microns , the first proper engineered solution, were the child of BBC research Neville Druce and  TFS sound recordist Micheal Colomb
Bettersound was a mainstay of sales and hire
Im not sure Brexit was predated in P&ID Chris, we saw them as antediluvian plodders , much as remainders exhibit now , tee hee
Roger
> On 31 May 2018, at 13:33, Chris Woolf via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> The BBC Engineering Dept was brilliant, and did a great deal to improve the technology of broadcasting. However it was capable of believing its own propaganda. 
> Very often they took other people's ideas, modified them to suit UK standards (and sometimes materially improved them too), and then promoted them as BBC designs without paying as much credit as they should have to the original developers. Most large organisations are capable of this, and the BBC was no worse than others, but one needs to be aware of the problem when dealing with the technical history of the Corporation. 
> You can compare much of this with the attitude of British industry up until, maybe as late as the 70s. There was an implicit belief that "we" could do things better than Johnny Foreigner, and that prevented us being self-critical. Only when our industries and service organisations began to collapse because we had become stuck in old-fashioned grooves, as new-fangled technologies and techniques from abroad had already overtaken what we were doing, did we begin to recognise the fault.
> 
> The mindset is far from eradicated - you can still see it amongst some Brexiteers - and may take a generation more to undergo enough revision. I mention this only because all new training using Bernie's scheme has to studiously avoid repeating this cultural problem. The training needs to be deeply aware of the historical roots of the craft, but avoid being trapped into fossilising techniques and attitudes. That is a case, primarily, of making sure that the teachers never retreat into "doing things the way we used to do them" because they cannot see how production methods have to evolve. It is particularly dangerous where many of the craft-skills may only be known by a handful of grey-haired gentlemen (advisedly - women are almost wholly unrepresented), and these souls should undergo a rigorous self-examination to prevent the possibility of them passing on unreconstructed attitudes or ideas;}
> 
> Chris Woolf
> 
> 
> On 31/05/2018 12:19, Alec Bray via Tech1 wrote:
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> On 31/05/2018 11:55, Chris Woolf via Tech1 wrote:
>>> the use of non-BBC equipment such as VUs, and non-constant impedance interfaces for audio, ~couldn't~ be acceptable.
>> 
>> Here is attached another one of my store of BBC reprints.  This actually seems to be an internally recopied version of a document, using stencil duplication, dated May 1963 and copied by "avd".  In it, it says:
>> 
>> "... Genlock
>> Appeared in 1954.  A General Electric (U.S.A.) invention..."
>> 
>> Now, interestingly, during my time at the Beeb, I was under the impression that Genlock was a BBC invention - so I have to echo Chris' comments!
>> 
>> I've linked 1 file to this email:
>> <kmcpgihfifkdplco.png>survey_source_synchronisation.pdf <https://app.box.com/s/pohw6pcxhmfxawv6bwi3ed2mcksxm9zb>(5.9 MB)<box-logo.png>Box <https://www.box.com/thunderbird>https://app.box.com/s/pohw6pcxhmfxawv6bwi3ed2mcksxm9zb
>>  <https://app.box.com/s/pohw6pcxhmfxawv6bwi3ed2mcksxm9zb>
>> Mozilla Thunderbird <http://www.getthunderbird.com/> makes it easy to share large files over email.
>> 
>> (Apologies if some of the "mu"s for micro are missing - there are poor in the original.)
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> We were certainly technical Technical Operators!
>> 
>> 
>> Nowadays I suppose we would get points for "Continuous Personal Development" for accessing these sorts of documents!
>> -- 
>> 
>> Best Regards
>> 
>> Alec
>> 
>> Alec Bray
>> 
>> alec.bray.2 at gmail.com <mailto:alec.bray.2 at gmail.com>
>> mob:     07789 561 346
>> home:  0118 942 9543
>> 
>> 
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From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com  Thu May 31 12:12:10 2018
From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2018 18:12:10 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] BBC training
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On 31/05/2018 15:00, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote:
> Say you insist on shooting several different angles at the same time.
> There is likely to be at least some lighting compromise to allow this.
Isn't that what we did? with theatrical-style multi-camera as-live 
drama?? aka Z-Cars, Dixon etc etc.

In those days, lighting was straightforward:? key-light, backlight, 
filler.? I've been to a couple of light entertainment recordings 
recently, and the lighting seems to be all filler: I looked around for a 
key-light and apart from a follow-spot on "Dancing on Ice" couldn't see 
one.? But there again, cameras nowadays work in much lower lighting 
levels than way back when. And the transmission chain is different, too. 
When I was seconded to Vision Control, one of the aims we had was to 
keep a fair amount of variation in the signal level per line and per 
frame, so that the poor TV sets at home could cope? (Black level clamp? 
wassat?) .? Nowadays, there are quite a few programs where the picture 
is (in old money) sat well down in the dark, very little variation in 
"signal" amplitude across the screen, so that the picture looks dark - 
to set a mood.

-- 

Best Regards

Alec

Alec Bray

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mob:     07789 561 346
home:  0118 942 9543



From patheigham at amps.net  Thu May 31 12:41:32 2018
From: patheigham at amps.net (patrickheigham)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2018 18:41:32 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] BBC training
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Hi Roger, this from you, woke up several memories.....
In the '60's the TVC Sound office had access to a small number
of portable tape recorders - I was allowed to borrow a Fi-Cord,
but Nick Ware was denied a Nagra III, even though he had his own!
I did manage a loan of the Nagra to record, at home, some special
FX for 'Steptoe & Son', and a couple of C28's for an amateur show
that I was recording.

I know that Pinewood had several Nagras in stock, but they were
locked in a cupboard, but only discovered when the head of sound
died, and the keys to cupboards available. He did not welcome
advances different to what had been the norm.

I worked on 'Fiddler on the Roof' - see the attachment as to what
we did to a couple of Nagra IV's.

I loved Microns - got us out of trouble on a set that was lit with
flourescent tubes - much interference on Audios, but the Microns,
being decently shielded, did not suffer.
Best
Pat




  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Roger E Long via Tech1 
  To: Chris Woolf 
  Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk 
  Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2018 6:00 PM
  Subject: Re: [Tech1] BBC training


  P &ID can take a lot of blame for BBC intransigence on foreign technology 
  BBC Television Studios tried very hard to adopt the Nagra  and its brilliant neopilot sync solution
  They would not consider it viable and butchered Nagra IIIs to half track and used the lower track for pulse
  This annoyed Steffan Kudelski so much that he stopped supply Nagras to TFS
  The Perfectone recorder was now favoured, a reliable tank that groaned and wheezed through takes, noisier than the Arriflex on the sound stages at Ealing
  Eventually common sense prevailed ,especially with the arrival of the Nagra IV, a genius machine, much in world demand
  TFS ordered 100 of em

  The BBC  was better with radio mics, Microns , the first proper engineered solution, were the child of BBC research Neville Druce and  TFS sound recordist Micheal Colomb
  Bettersound was a mainstay of sales and hire
  Im not sure Brexit was predated in P&ID Chris, we saw them as antediluvian plodders , much as remainders exhibit now , tee hee
  Roger

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From richardjblencowe at gmail.com  Thu May 31 12:42:46 2018
From: richardjblencowe at gmail.com (Richard Blencowe)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2018 18:42:46 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] BBC training
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Hi Nick and other TO course trainees,

 

I was on TO21 (Jan 1965) and like Nick arrived by train but after assessing the situation used my car after my first return home. We too got snowed in and as the Friday approached I wondered if I would get home (London)

that weekend, with a  girlfriend waiting and youthful zeal I set off and made it but the hill outside Broadway was a challenge!

 

As Nick says the whole set up was rather RAF but with an army Major in charge. I thoroughly enjoyed my time there even enduring D Block. I shared a room with Robin Bordiss. I can?t remember all the things we did of an evening but the Club often featured and there was the weekly ?dance?, those ex TO21?ers will remember the PJG. The Wednesday film was 1/6d for a black and white film and 2/- for a colour, I remember watching ?Tom and Jerry? on a TV set before the film started which may have been in the girls common room or is that just wishful thinking.

 

We were all of course looking forward to getting to the Studios in London but in the event some of the 40 ended up in the Regions but most ended up where they wanted to be, myself at TVC.

 

Happy days, and I still don?t know how a valve works and I did erase a line up tape but recorded a bit of station tone and nobody was the wiser.

 

Regards to all,

 

Dick Blencowe

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

From: Tech1 [mailto:tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk] On Behalf Of Nick Ware via Tech1
Sent: 31 May 2018 11:33
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: [Tech1] BBC training

 

I?m sure we all look back on BBC training, and Evesham in particular with a fair degree of nostalgia. Here?s my first impression of Wood Norton, in a letter home soon after arrival there - a letter kept all this time by my Mum, and given to me shortly before she died. I vividly remember that we were definitely encouraged to believe that no-one outside the Beeb could possibly know anything about TV in those days!

How does it compare with others? memories?

Speaking of memory: I hope I haven?t posted this before!



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From alawrance1 at me.com  Thu May 31 13:31:09 2018
From: alawrance1 at me.com (Alasdair Lawrance)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2018 19:31:09 +0100
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To set a mood is an admirable ambition, but as somebody on this list once said -

"Couldn't see it, couldn't hear it, turned it off!"

Alasdair Lawrance

Sent from my iPad2

> On 31 May 2018, at 18:12, Alec Bray via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> 
>> On 31/05/2018 15:00, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote:
>> Say you insist on shooting several different angles at the same time.
>> There is likely to be at least some lighting compromise to allow this.
> Isn't that what we did  with theatrical-style multi-camera as-live drama?  aka Z-Cars, Dixon etc etc.
> 
> In those days, lighting was straightforward:  key-light, backlight, filler.  I've been to a couple of light entertainment recordings recently, and the lighting seems to be all filler: I looked around for a key-light and apart from a follow-spot on "Dancing on Ice" couldn't see one.  But there again, cameras nowadays work in much lower lighting levels than way back when. And the transmission chain is different, too. When I was seconded to Vision Control, one of the aims we had was to keep a fair amount of variation in the signal level per line and per frame, so that the poor TV sets at home could cope  (Black level clamp? wassat?) .  Nowadays, there are quite a few programs where the picture is (in old money) sat well down in the dark, very little variation in "signal" amplitude across the screen, so that the picture looks dark - to set a mood.
> 
> -- 
> 
> Best Regards
> 
> Alec
> 
> Alec Bray
> 
> alec.bray.2 at gmail.com
> mob:     07789 561 346
> home:  0118 942 9543
> 
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From waresound at msn.com  Thu May 31 16:04:43 2018
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2018 21:04:43 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] BBC training
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Nearly, but not quite right, though it?s true I did have the office Nagra booked out a fair bit more than most, usually to record organ recitals, choirs etc., plus all the early instrumental music for an open-air medieval pageant that Derek Gough was co-producing. I bought my own Nagra III in ?67 because by then I needed the neopilot version. Once I had that I never needed or asked for the Beeb one again.

A fondly remembered adventure with that Beeb Nagra was when Bob Foley and I had been moonlighting on some production or other, and had been tasked with going to record wildtracks of the machinery that raises and lowers Tower Bridge. We found that we couldn?t do that without applying for permission a fortnight in advance. So I got the BBC FX disc of it from the gram library, and in Bob?s Putney flat, we cued up the disc. Bob announced on the tape:
?This is the sound of the bridge going up?, and then shouted:
?OK, take it up?.
I played the disc, recorded acoustically off Bob?s speakers.
Bob shouted:
?Great, now let?s bring it down again?.
I played the second track.
?Ok, that?s great, thanks?, he said.
Stop tape, write two invoices at whatever the 8 hour daily rate was, and job done!
Cheers,
Nick.
Sent from my iPad

On 31 May 2018, at 18:41, patrickheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk<mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:

Hi Roger, this from you, woke up several memories.....
In the '60's the TVC Sound office had access to a small number
of portable tape recorders - I was allowed to borrow a Fi-Cord,
but Nick Ware was denied a Nagra III, even though he had his own!
I did manage a loan of the Nagra to record, at home, some special
FX for 'Steptoe & Son', and a couple of C28's for an amateur show
that I was recording.
[snip]
Best
Pat

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