From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk  Tue Mar 20 08:38:16 2018
From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf)
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2018 13:38:16 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Unusual photo
In-Reply-To: <C92C52B0-42BA-432A-AD9B-829C76566B53@btinternet.com>
References: <9E0290E9-5789-484F-8EDF-87BBD347BFD6@ukgateway.net>
	<C92C52B0-42BA-432A-AD9B-829C76566B53@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <095c1b42-ce2b-3d58-0f6b-ea5ff9fb6159@chriswoolf.co.uk>


On 20/03/2018 12:39, Barry Bonner wrote:
> Maybe, judging by the shadows, the rest of the Heron is hidden by a 
> backdrop? BBC TV logo is evident on the side of the camera on the left.
> Barry.
>
Nah! The heron's craned up full, so the back end is hidden behind the 
platform and Lynda's body.

Chris Woolf


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From dave at davesound.co.uk  Wed Mar 21 08:38:19 2018
From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman)
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2018 13:38:19 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Tech1] Wood veneer.
Message-ID: <56dc47076fdave@davesound.co.uk>

It's said you'd always get an answer to anything at a tech ops coffee
table, so here goes.

I've bought a pair of speakers which are a bit scruffy, but work just
fine. Obvious thing would be to have the cabinets re-veneered.

On something much smaller, I'd be happy enough to do this myself. Having
read up a bit about it. But these are large - some 750 x 450 x 400mm - 
and have no idea how I could keep a firm pressure on the veneer until the
glue dried with something this big. 

I'm happy to strip the speakers to the bare cabinets and deliver and
collect. From somewhere reasonably close to SW london - say a 100 mile
round trip as a maximum? Preferably somewhere that doesn't charge London
rates. ;-) 

A Google for such a place near here seems to just give firms who
specialise in posh kitchens for the oligarchs. Can't find what I'd call a
jobbing cabinet maker.

-- 
*I started out with nothing...  and I still have most of it.

    Dave Plowman     dave at davesound.co.uk     London SW 12
    


From patheigham at amps.net  Wed Mar 21 09:07:01 2018
From: patheigham at amps.net (patrickheigham)
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2018 14:07:01 -0000
Subject: [Tech1] Wood veneer.
In-Reply-To: <56dc47076fdave@davesound.co.uk>
References: <56dc47076fdave@davesound.co.uk>
Message-ID: <FCCD439195314583977F1359313A5835@PATRICKSONY>

Hi Dave,

For some reason I kept this chap's address, although I never
used him - might be worth a call:
John E. Dent Cabinet Maker
St. Edmunds
Guildford Road
Normandy
GUILDFORD
Surrey GU3 2AW
01483 811102

You might try searching the Internet for Antique Restoration
furniture people, they would cope with veneering, I would think.

Good luck
Pat

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave Plowman via Tech1" <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
To: <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2018 1:38 PM
Subject: [Tech1] Wood veneer.


> It's said you'd always get an answer to anything at a tech ops coffee
> table, so here goes.
> 
> I've bought a pair of speakers which are a bit scruffy, but work just
> fine. Obvious thing would be to have the cabinets re-veneered.
> 
> On something much smaller, I'd be happy enough to do this myself. Having
> read up a bit about it. But these are large - some 750 x 450 x 400mm - 
> and have no idea how I could keep a firm pressure on the veneer until the
> glue dried with something this big. 
> 
> I'm happy to strip the speakers to the bare cabinets and deliver and
> collect. From somewhere reasonably close to SW london - say a 100 mile
> round trip as a maximum? Preferably somewhere that doesn't charge London
> rates. ;-) 
> 
> A Google for such a place near here seems to just give firms who
> specialise in posh kitchens for the oligarchs. Can't find what I'd call a
> jobbing cabinet maker.
> 
> -- 
> *I started out with nothing...  and I still have most of it.
> 
>    Dave Plowman     dave at davesound.co.uk     London SW 12
>    
> 
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From alawrance1 at me.com  Wed Mar 21 09:14:44 2018
From: alawrance1 at me.com (Alasdair Lawrance)
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2018 14:14:44 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Wood veneer.
In-Reply-To: <56dc47076fdave@davesound.co.uk>
References: <56dc47076fdave@davesound.co.uk>
Message-ID: <44A65029-B92A-45C5-90C8-A9639902E336@me.com>

Not teaching you to suck eggs, but have you spoken to Wilmslow Audio <http://www.wilmslow-audio.co.uk/>?  I know they?re beyond your mileage limit, but a phone call might help.

My KEF 104s had foam sponge type ?grilles? which eventually fell to bits (UV, I suspect) and they supplied very serviceable (non-foam) replacements, very opaque.  I?m not one for showing off my woofers & tweeters.


Alasdair Lawrance
alawrance1 at me.com

Sent from my iPhone4




On 21 Mar 2018, at 13:38, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

It's said you'd always get an answer to anything at a tech ops coffee
table, so here goes.

I've bought a pair of speakers which are a bit scruffy, but work just
fine. Obvious thing would be to have the cabinets re-veneered.

On something much smaller, I'd be happy enough to do this myself. Having
read up a bit about it. But these are large - some 750 x 450 x 400mm - 
and have no idea how I could keep a firm pressure on the veneer until the
glue dried with something this big. 

I'm happy to strip the speakers to the bare cabinets and deliver and
collect. From somewhere reasonably close to SW london - say a 100 mile
round trip as a maximum? Preferably somewhere that doesn't charge London
rates. ;-) 

A Google for such a place near here seems to just give firms who
specialise in posh kitchens for the oligarchs. Can't find what I'd call a
jobbing cabinet maker.

-- 
*I started out with nothing...  and I still have most of it.

   Dave Plowman     dave at davesound.co.uk     London SW 12


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From dave at davesound.co.uk  Wed Mar 21 09:23:41 2018
From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman)
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2018 14:23:41 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Tech1] Wood veneer.
In-Reply-To: <44A65029-B92A-45C5-90C8-A9639902E336@me.com>
References: <56dc47076fdave@davesound.co.uk>
	<44A65029-B92A-45C5-90C8-A9639902E336@me.com>
Message-ID: <56dc4b2e2adave@davesound.co.uk>

In article <44A65029-B92A-45C5-90C8-A9639902E336 at me.com>,
   Alasdair Lawrance <alawrance1 at me.com> wrote:
> Not teaching you to suck eggs, but have you spoken to Wilmslow Audio
> <http://www.wilmslow-audio.co.uk/>?  I know they?re beyond your mileage
> limit, but a phone call might help.

Yes - I know them well. But don't think they do this sort of thing
themeslves, but may well know somewhere that does.

> My KEF 104s had foam sponge type ?grilles? which eventually fell to bits
> (UV, I suspect) and they supplied very serviceable (non-foam)
> replacements, very opaque.  I?m not one for showing off my woofers &
> tweeters.

Yup - super firm. And so rare in being able to talk to a human being.

-- 
*Never miss a good chance to shut up *

    Dave Plowman     dave at davesound.co.uk     London SW 12
    


From bernie833 at gmail.com  Wed Mar 21 09:38:55 2018
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2018 14:38:55 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Moving
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From johnhcox at gmail.com  Wed Mar 21 08:49:01 2018
From: johnhcox at gmail.com (John Cox)
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2018 13:49:01 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Cox Rod
Message-ID: <5ab262cc.85c9df0a.9315d.88bb@mx.google.com>


Dave, thank you for that credit to a sensible way of releaving the strain of many short and tall sound operators on long  dramas which includes several rehearsals and ?takes? (think Shakespeare) and interviews.
My daughter was at a museum in Milan last weekend and took a photo of my ancestor she then queried me as to the first person who thought of the idea!! (see photo). There is a complete description of the Cox Rod on Steve Edwards website at BBCTV LPU/technical.
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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Wed Mar 21 11:42:29 2018
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2018 16:42:29 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Cox Rod
In-Reply-To: <5ab262cc.85c9df0a.9315d.88bb@mx.google.com>
References: <5ab262cc.85c9df0a.9315d.88bb@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <e50de584-fe4b-ff41-92f4-3be71727e134@btinternet.com>

Nice one, John, I think a 416 had a lot less recoil though! Cheers, Dave


On 21/03/2018 13:49, John Cox via Tech1 wrote:
>
> Dave, thank you for that credit to a sensible way of releaving the 
> strain of many short and tall sound operators on long? dramas which 
> includes several rehearsals and ?takes? (think Shakespeare) and 
> interviews.
>
> My daughter was at a museum in Milan last weekend and took a photo of 
> my ancestor she then queried me as to the first person who thought of 
> the idea!! (see photo). There is a complete description of the Cox Rod 
> on Steve Edwards website at BBCTV LPU/technical.
>
> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for 
> Windows 10
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From doug.prior at talktalk.net  Thu Mar 22 10:35:16 2018
From: doug.prior at talktalk.net (doug.prior at talktalk.net)
Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2018 15:35:16 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Tech1] Wood veneer.
In-Reply-To: <56dc4b2e2adave@davesound.co.uk>
References: <56dc47076fdave@davesound.co.uk>
	<44A65029-B92A-45C5-90C8-A9639902E336@me.com>
	<56dc4b2e2adave@davesound.co.uk>
Message-ID: <29255303.1017121521732916015.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost>

Dave  if you`re thinking of doing it yourself my friend who had dealings with large lay ups of carbon fibre  surrounded them with polythene sheets made in to bags and sucked the air out. An easy 15psi evenly distributed.Doug Prior



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From dave at davesound.co.uk  Thu Mar 22 12:09:43 2018
From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman)
Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2018 17:09:43 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Tech1] Wood veneer.
In-Reply-To: <29255303.1017121521732916015.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost>
References: <56dc47076fdave@davesound.co.uk>
	<44A65029-B92A-45C5-90C8-A9639902E336@me.com>
	<56dc4b2e2adave@davesound.co.uk>
	<29255303.1017121521732916015.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost>
Message-ID: <56dcde3800dave@davesound.co.uk>

In article <29255303.1017121521732916015.JavaMail.defaultUser at defaultHost>,
   doug.prior--- via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> Dave  if you`re thinking of doing it yourself my friend who had dealings
> with large lay ups of carbon fibre  surrounded them with polythene
> sheets made in to bags and sucked the air out. An easy 15psi evenly
> distributed.Doug Prior

Yes - the vacuum method is the common way to apply decent and even
pressure. Not sure how I'd do that at home, though.

I've found a paper backed iron on glue. You iron that on, let it dry,
remove the paper, then iron on the veneer. It sounds promising - but would
prefer to hear from someone who has actually used it.

-- 
*When everything's coming your way, you're in the wrong lane *

    Dave Plowman     dave at davesound.co.uk     London SW 12
    


From bernie833 at gmail.com  Fri Mar 23 05:26:28 2018
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2018 10:26:28 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Website and mailing list
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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Fri Mar 23 11:30:32 2018
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2018 16:30:32 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] OGWT interviews
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From mibridge at mac.com  Fri Mar 23 11:46:21 2018
From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles)
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2018 16:46:21 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Website and mailing list
In-Reply-To: <9a4df72d-c363-5776-4bcc-60cb48001aa8@gmail.com>
References: <9a4df72d-c363-5776-4bcc-60cb48001aa8@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F11459A8-AE3F-4476-AF3A-BD5774C3C203@mac.com>

We can only thank you for your efforts, Bernie.

Mike G

> On 23 Mar 2018, at 10:26, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> We are now run by a company called Site5, which has taken over Ixwebhosting.   
> 
> The mailing list move seems to have been pretty much transparent, and we are now using GNU Mailmain instead of Ezmlm.   We should now be seeing our own posts, but I haven't yet. Hopefully no more Ezmlm type automatic complaints.
> 
> The website tech-ops.co.uk seems not to have fared so well. The original pages, say tech-ops.co.uk/page25.html,  are fine, but Wordpress is currently completely screwed.   I'm having a "discussion" with the support people, one of whom last night accused me of breaking it.  
> 
> "The site tech-ops.co.uk is showing the error due to the issue with the scripting . Please contact your web developer regarding this."  
> 
> Since I am the web developer and I wouldn't know how, and it was working perfectly well before they fiddled with it, I've gone back to them.  In the meantime I'm doing a 5.6Gb download, backing up everything I can
> 
> B
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From graeme.wall at icloud.com  Fri Mar 23 11:48:03 2018
From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall)
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2018 16:48:03 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Website and mailing list
In-Reply-To: <F11459A8-AE3F-4476-AF3A-BD5774C3C203@mac.com>
References: <9a4df72d-c363-5776-4bcc-60cb48001aa8@gmail.com>
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Hear Hear!
? 
Graeme Wall





> On 23 Mar 2018, at 16:46, Mike Giles via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> We can only thank you for your efforts, Bernie.
> 
> Mike G
> 
>> On 23 Mar 2018, at 10:26, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> We are now run by a company called Site5, which has taken over Ixwebhosting.   
>> 
>> The mailing list move seems to have been pretty much transparent, and we are now using GNU Mailmain instead of Ezmlm.   We should now be seeing our own posts, but I haven't yet. Hopefully no more Ezmlm type automatic complaints.
>> 
>> The website tech-ops.co.uk seems not to have fared so well. The original pages, say tech-ops.co.uk/page25.html,  are fine, but Wordpress is currently completely screwed.   I'm having a "discussion" with the support people, one of whom last night accused me of breaking it.  
>> 
>> "The site tech-ops.co.uk is showing the error due to the issue with the scripting . Please contact your web developer regarding this."  
>> 
>> Since I am the web developer and I wouldn't know how, and it was working perfectly well before they fiddled with it, I've gone back to them.  In the meantime I'm doing a 5.6Gb download, backing up everything I can
>> 
>> B
>> -- 
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>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk
> 
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From patheigham at amps.net  Fri Mar 23 14:21:02 2018
From: patheigham at amps.net (patrickheigham)
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2018 19:21:02 -0000
Subject: [Tech1] Vintage Hi-Fi and Sound FX discs for disposal
Message-ID: <09B21A21B9DA4CE7982DA3C9292C943B@PATRICKSONY>


Greetings All!

As a result of being asked to help with a house clearance, there are
some items of 'vintage' (like oldish) Hi-Fi separates which hopefully
might raise a pound or two towards helping the former owner who is
now residing in a care home.

If anyone might be interested, or can offer suggestions as to placement,
other than a skip, please e-mail me off list for a detailed list.

Some Sound Effects discs are also available (45rpm 7"), might interest
anyone who helps with Amateur Dramatics etc.
These are mainly stream trains and the odd atmos/birds tracks.
The trains were recorded by the late Peter Handford, (a well respected
Film Production Mixer, issued on his commercial label).
Again, e-mail me for detailed list.

Thanks
Pat


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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Fri Mar 23 17:02:39 2018
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2018 22:02:39 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] We are not alone!
Message-ID: <53bc7c15-1b25-e745-ff97-0d8a87898aa3@btinternet.com>

During my recent annual visit to the Business Travel Show I came across 
a company which had the same interests as most of us, software and real 
ale! HeadForward are based in Redruth, Cornwall, and are an outsource 
software development company who also get together with their local 
brewery to produce really nice real ale! Driftwood Spars Brewery is a 
micro-brewery situated in Trevaunance Cove,? St. Agnes, Cornwall. Sounds 
like a perfect combination of companies for anyone not interested in 
broadcasting! Cheers, Dave. PS. They were giving away bottles of their 
ale on the stand, hence my positive critique!



From ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com  Sat Mar 24 04:13:23 2018
From: ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com (Ravenscourt)
Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2018 09:13:23 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] FaceTime
Message-ID: <677AFDCD-792E-4AC5-B1AB-1B00037AB387@btinternet.com>

Just to let you know I have deactivated and deleted my FaceTime account
AB

Sent from my iPhone


From ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com  Sat Mar 24 05:27:15 2018
From: ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com (Albert Barber)
Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2018 10:27:15 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] FaceTime
In-Reply-To: <677AFDCD-792E-4AC5-B1AB-1B00037AB387@btinternet.com>
References: <677AFDCD-792E-4AC5-B1AB-1B00037AB387@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <99E73D1A-2241-4936-A106-8513573883FD@btinternet.com>

My spellcheck changed the last email from FACEBOOK FaceTime?... is there a conspiracy?
I no longer have a Facebook account!!!



> On 24 Mar 2018, at 09:13, Ravenscourt via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Just to let you know I have deactivated and deleted my FaceTime account
> AB
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
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From ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com  Sun Mar 25 06:18:15 2018
From: ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com (Albert Barber)
Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2018 12:18:15 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] CARS
Message-ID: <AEA4AD33-59CB-481D-AB05-1162C0D56391@btinternet.com>

For those who posted a string of stuff oscars this may be of interest:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=6&v=x1_X_nYfn8c <https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=6&v=x1_X_nYfn8c>

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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Sun Mar 25 16:02:51 2018
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2018 22:02:51 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Martin Browatt, aka Bruno
In-Reply-To: <D6DDC220.30F2%telobians@dfhume.plus.com>
References: <D6DDC220.30F2%telobians@dfhume.plus.com>
Message-ID: <93da3862-0f5a-a9fa-ba89-0bfeb2a69488@btinternet.com>

Thanks, Dave. Attached are four photos showing 'Bruno' in happier times. 
They show what? made OBs different from studio shows! These were taken 
in a hotel close to Chatsworth House where we were covering a stage of 
the RAC Rally. There was snow outside but there was no chill inside, 
with a typical 'riggers evening' enjoyed by all. The stories flowed and 
everyone had a fantastic evening followed by a hard day's work the next 
day. Glorious! Cheers, Dave


On 25/03/2018 21:16, David Hume wrote:
> Dear Telobian,
>              further information about the funeral of Martin Browatt, aka
> Bruno.
>
> After Brunos funeral at Peterborough Crematorium, the wake will be at:
>
> The Bull
> Market Square
> Market Deeping
> PE6 8EA
>
>      Best regards,
>              Dave Hume.    Telobians Organiser.
>
>

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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Sun Mar 25 16:17:43 2018
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2018 22:17:43 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Nostalgia ain't what it used to be!
Message-ID: <a3bf7ef1-7ee8-d6fa-d03d-3fb02ba99ce2@btinternet.com>

I must be getting old. They say that the older you get the closer your 
bladder gets to your eyes! When I found the photos that I have just 
posted I must admit tears came to my eyes! (Silly old fool I hear you 
say!) When you all think back and consider what the nameless no-bodies 
have destroyed it does make you weep. What a great job we had and sadly 
it will never be repeated. Yours, in mourning, Dave.



From mibridge at mac.com  Sun Mar 25 17:25:30 2018
From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles)
Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2018 23:25:30 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: Trump's sick gift to trophy hunters
Message-ID: <19E82FB7-2753-46E0-BB03-DB80ADA54218@mac.com>

IF you like elephants and other so-called ?game? animals, you may be interested in this:

> Trump just quietly changed the law ? AGAIN ? to let bloodthirsty American hunters  (like Trump Jr!) murder elephants and bring their heads home as trophies. Let?s accelerate the massive global campaign to shame the US into dropping this disgusting plan.
> 
> Join me here: https://secure.avaaz.org/campaign/en/trump_elephant_redux_loc/?kiBFdjb

Mike G

From bernie833 at gmail.com  Mon Mar 26 05:58:42 2018
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2018 11:58:42 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Bouncing emails and non-bouncing lunch
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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Mon Mar 26 05:59:03 2018
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2018 11:59:03 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Bouncing emails and non-bouncing lunch
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From peter.neill at icloud.com  Mon Mar 26 07:12:25 2018
From: peter.neill at icloud.com (Peter Neill)
Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2018 13:12:25 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Bouncing emails and non-bouncing lunch
In-Reply-To: <f8955baa-a840-bb22-0166-046bb34d52f0@ntlworld.com>
References: <f8955baa-a840-bb22-0166-046bb34d52f0@ntlworld.com>
Message-ID: <26C7C36C-574D-43A0-BFD0-54C24532BC05@icloud.com>

And, presumably, its emails telling them have also bounced back. 

Sent from my iPhone. Apologies for typos and strange autocorrections. 

> On 26 Mar 2018, at 11:58, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Our new mail system, GNU Mailman, has disabled a number of accounts because of too many bounced emails.  Apparently it has told the people concerned.  The only problem         is that I have no idea whether these are out of date addresses or just a short term problem.  I've changed the settings to make it more lenient.
> 
> So - if it happens to you, please get in touch direct. Currently that means -  
>  mail at terrymeadowcroft.co.uk
> jpn at imixmics.co.uk
> nick at nickway.co.uk
> davewagner at gmx.com
> phider at gmx.com
> chris.booth at froyle.com
> colin at colinhassell.com
> martin at theeccles.uk
> 
> Please email me to get switched back on.
> 
> AND........
> 
> Don't forget, it's lunch tomorrow, at the Horniman at Hays Galleria from 1200.  I might be a bit late, so please proceed in an orderly manner to the upper floor and claim our patch
> 
> B
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
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From dave at davesound.co.uk  Mon Mar 26 07:15:39 2018
From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman)
Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2018 13:15:39 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Bouncing emails and non-bouncing lunch
Message-ID: <56ded2a3d9dave@davesound.co.uk>

Seems to be quite common for some forums to 'ban' email addresses where
the poster has his own domain. Had this on another with davesound.co.uk.
So had to use my BT one - they can hardly ban all of btinternet.com.

-- 
*Generally speaking, you aren't learning much if your lips are moving.*

    Dave Plowman     dave at davesound.co.uk     London SW 12
    


From s.k.edwards at btinternet.com  Mon Mar 26 07:28:52 2018
From: s.k.edwards at btinternet.com (Steve Edwards)
Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2018 13:28:52 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Bouncing emails and non-bouncing lunch
In-Reply-To: <26C7C36C-574D-43A0-BFD0-54C24532BC05@icloud.com>
References: <f8955baa-a840-bb22-0166-046bb34d52f0@ntlworld.com>
	<26C7C36C-574D-43A0-BFD0-54C24532BC05@icloud.com>
Message-ID: <495439D3-C18C-419E-8EB5-25430B78E4DC@btinternet.com>

I?ve got no idea of the identity who is posting on the list unless they?ve used/signed their name. Individual email addresses are now not shown. (Perhaps that?s not such a bad thing?) 

Also the ?Reply All? option is missing on my email phone app.   ......are any others having the same issues or am I missing something ?

Steve  

> On 26 Mar 2018, at 13:12, Peter Neill via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> And, presumably, its emails telling them have also bounced back. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone. Apologies for typos and strange autocorrections. 
> 
>> On 26 Mar 2018, at 11:58, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> Our new mail system, GNU Mailman, has disabled a number of accounts because of too many bounced emails.  Apparently it has told the people concerned.  The only problem is that I have no idea whether these are out of date addresses or just a short term problem.  I've changed the settings to make it more lenient.
>> 
>> So - if it happens to you, please get in touch direct. Currently that means -  
>>  mail at terrymeadowcroft.co.uk
>> jpn at imixmics.co.uk
>> nick at nickway.co.uk
>> davewagner at gmx.com
>> phider at gmx.com
>> chris.booth at froyle.com
>> colin at colinhassell.com
>> martin at theeccles.uk
>> 
>> Please email me to get switched back on.
>> 
>> AND........
>> 
>> Don't forget, it's lunch tomorrow, at the Horniman at Hays Galleria from 1200.  I might be a bit late, so please proceed in an orderly manner to the upper floor and claim our patch
>> 
>> B
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> Tech1 mailing list
>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk
> -- 
> Tech1 mailing list
> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk
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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Mon Mar 26 08:31:58 2018
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2018 14:31:58 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] bounce bounce
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From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com  Mon Mar 26 14:43:05 2018
From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray)
Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2018 20:43:05 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Paper Heron
Message-ID: <030a7c93-914f-f738-1816-66e5b07daa51@gmail.com>

or, for the more pedantic, the inkjet printer card Heron...

Hello all,

Attached are a couple of snaps of the very first pass of the one-twelfth 
scale paper/card Heron.? You may notice from the photos that it is more 
a structure of PVA wood glue held together with card (it's very rough)? 
- and you will also notice that there is a lot more to do.? For example, 
the central raising pillar for the camera mount is missing - my 
daughter's puppy got hold of it and soggied it .. I could have reported 
that " ... the dog ate my homework ..." which in this case was literally 
true.? There's lots of bits missing at this stage -? I have not figured 
out how to do the seats(s) , and there is the motor for the hydraulics, 
the steering wheel,? and there is the control lever on each side, and 
there is .... and there is ..I am sure that you will tell me which bits 
are critical to add

According to Vintens, there were three varieties of Heron.? This is just 
one of them - the one I remember most from all those long years ago - 
and in any case, I have some side elevations from Vintens, which don't 
agree with each other, and I have no front elevations, so all those 
width dimensions are guesswork...I am very grateful to Ross and Derek 
who have provided some drawings and pictures etc, but really much more 
documentation is needed to do a thorough job!

It's practical, in that the jib goes up and down - the pivots are 
cocktail sticks (I could not face doing card pivots) - but as yet there 
are no wheels (maybe there will never be wheels ...)

As you can see, this is currently work in progress, it is UNFINISHED and 
a FIRST PASS.? Basically, I have got to redraw the whole shebang, and I 
have to figure out whether it is worth doing. In any case, it won't be 
for some time before I can rework the whole thing ...

I think it will be strong enough - there is internal bracing, but it 
means there is a wiggle to get the inner console and jib arms up through 
the outer console: it's like putting on a pullover when every bit has 
got wet glue on it.? It will be fiddly for people to build. And it takes 
a lot of card - there will be something like 10 A4 sheets to construct 
this (if I/we progress with this...)

By the way, it (hopefully) uses Bernie's Mk III head and EMI 2001, so 
you can make your own TV studio rig (and NO, I am NOT doing a Mole crane 
...)


Heron low


Heron craned up

-- 

Best Regards

Alec

Alec Bray

alec.bray.2 at gmail.com
mob:     07789 561 346
home:  0118 942 9543

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From graeme.wall at icloud.com  Mon Mar 26 15:29:37 2018
From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall)
Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2018 21:29:37 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Paper Heron
In-Reply-To: <030a7c93-914f-f738-1816-66e5b07daa51@gmail.com>
References: <030a7c93-914f-f738-1816-66e5b07daa51@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <44D827CF-F729-42CD-B3D9-71F478BD7D2D@icloud.com>

Alec, that is brilliant!
? 
Graeme Wall





> On 26 Mar 2018, at 20:43, Alec Bray via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> or, for the more pedantic, the inkjet printer card Heron...
> 
> Hello all,
> 
> Attached are a couple of snaps of the very first pass of the one-twelfth scale paper/card Heron.  You may notice from the photos that it is more a structure of PVA wood glue held together with card (it's very rough)  - and you will also notice that there       is a lot more to do.  For example, the central raising pillar for the camera mount is missing - my daughter's puppy got hold of it and soggied it .. I could have reported that " ... the dog ate my homework ..." which in this case was literally true.  There's lots of bits missing at this stage -  I have not figured out how to do the seats(s) , and there is the motor for the hydraulics, the steering wheel,  and there is the control lever on each side, and there is .... and there is ..I am sure that you will tell me which bits are critical to add
> 
> According to Vintens, there were three varieties of Heron.  This is just one of them - the one I remember most from all those long years ago - and in any case, I have some side elevations from Vintens, which don't agree with each other, and I have no front elevations, so all those width dimensions are guesswork...I am very grateful to Ross and Derek who have provided some drawings and pictures etc, but really much more documentation is needed to do a thorough job!
> It's practical, in that the jib goes up and down - the pivots are cocktail sticks (I could not face doing card pivots) - but as yet there are no wheels (maybe there will never be wheels ...)
> As you can see, this is currently work in progress, it is UNFINISHED and a FIRST PASS.  Basically, I have got to redraw the whole shebang, and I have to figure out whether it is worth doing. In any case, it won't be for some time before I can rework the whole thing ...
> 
> I think it will be strong enough - there is internal bracing, but it means there is a wiggle to get the inner console and jib arms up through the outer console: it's like putting on a pullover when every bit has got wet glue on it.  It will be fiddly for people to build. And it takes a lot of card - there will be something like 10 A4 sheets to construct this (if I/we progress with this...)
> By the way, it (hopefully) uses Bernie's Mk III head and EMI 2001, so you can make your own TV studio rig (and NO, I am NOT doing a Mole crane ...)
> 
> <IMG_20180326_182725.jpg>
> 
> 
> <IMG_20180326_182841.jpg>
> -- 
> 
> Best Regards
> 
> Alec
> 
> Alec Bray
> 
> 
> alec.bray.2 at gmail.com
> 
> mob:     07789 561 346
> home:  0118 942 9543
> 
> -- 
> Tech1 mailing list
> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk



From bernie833 at gmail.com  Mon Mar 26 15:30:25 2018
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2018 21:30:25 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Paper Heron
In-Reply-To: <030a7c93-914f-f738-1816-66e5b07daa51@gmail.com>
References: <030a7c93-914f-f738-1816-66e5b07daa51@gmail.com>
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From s.k.edwards at btinternet.com  Mon Mar 26 15:31:06 2018
From: s.k.edwards at btinternet.com (Steve Edwards)
Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2018 21:31:06 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Paper Heron
In-Reply-To: <030a7c93-914f-f738-1816-66e5b07daa51@gmail.com>
References: <030a7c93-914f-f738-1816-66e5b07daa51@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <07CC4387-EBEB-4E78-8C6E-017A95496A8F@btinternet.com>

Alec

That is one very impressive job you?ve done on the Heron.

Great to see the far reaching talents and wealth of skills within the Tech-ops list.

If possible I?d like to place an order for one when you?ve finally finished the project?  

Steve
PS I agree, don?t do the Mole Crane - go for a more worthwhile project like the Chapman Nike or the Tulip instead. 




 

> On 26 Mar 2018, at 20:43, Alec Bray via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> or, for the more pedantic, the inkjet printer card Heron...
> 
> Hello all,
> 
> Attached are a couple of snaps of the very first pass of the one-twelfth scale paper/card Heron.  You may notice from the       photos that it is more a structure of PVA wood glue held together with card (it's very rough)  - and you will also notice that there is a lot more to do.  For example, the central raising pillar for the camera mount is missing - my daughter's puppy got hold of it and soggied it .. I could have reported that " ... the dog ate my homework ..." which in this case was literally true.  There's lots of bits missing at this stage -  I have not figured out how to do the seats(s) , and there is the motor for the hydraulics, the steering wheel,  and there is the control lever on each side, and there is .... and there is ..I am sure that you will tell me which bits are critical to add
> 
> According to Vintens, there were three varieties of Heron.  This is just one of them - the one I remember most from all those long years ago - and in any case, I have some side elevations from Vintens, which don't agree with each other, and I have no front elevations, so all those width dimensions are guesswork...I am very grateful to Ross and Derek who have provided some drawings and pictures etc, but really much more documentation is needed to do a thorough job!
> It's practical, in that the jib goes up and down - the pivots are cocktail sticks (I could not face doing card pivots) - but as yet there are no wheels (maybe there will never be wheels ...)
> As you can see, this is currently work in progress, it is UNFINISHED and a FIRST PASS.  Basically, I have got to redraw the whole shebang, and I have to figure out whether it is worth doing. In any case, it won't be for some time before I can rework the whole thing ...
> 
> I think it will be strong enough - there is internal bracing, but it means there is a wiggle to get the inner console and jib arms up through the outer console: it's like putting on a pullover when every bit has got wet glue on it.  It will be fiddly for people to build. And it takes a lot of card - there will be something like 10 A4 sheets to construct this (if I/we progress with this...)
> By the way, it (hopefully) uses Bernie's Mk III head and EMI 2001, so you can make your own TV studio rig (and NO, I am NOT doing a Mole crane ...)
> 
> <IMG_20180326_182725.jpg>
> 
> 
> <IMG_20180326_182841.jpg>
> -- 
> 
> Best Regards
> 
> Alec
> 
> Alec Bray
> 
> alec.bray.2 at gmail.com
> mob:     07789 561 346
> home:  0118 942 9543
> -- 
> Tech1 mailing list
> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk
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From geoffletch at gmail.com  Tue Mar 27 03:26:40 2018
From: geoffletch at gmail.com (Geoff Fletcher)
Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2018 08:26:40 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Paper Heron
In-Reply-To: <62a85cab-b12a-cbc7-6843-d3ad20f8ab8d@gmail.com>
References: <030a7c93-914f-f738-1816-66e5b07daa51@gmail.com>
	<62a85cab-b12a-cbc7-6843-d3ad20f8ab8d@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAB99AB82P7KRkCQpRi+u=bZNLmr1MVKNEpkUGVtaT0kx=ZWp9Q@mail.gmail.com>

I scratch build AFVs using plastic card which can be bought in A4 size in
various thickness. It occurs to me that a Heron has similarities to AFVs in
that it is basically a slab sided construction and so would be suitable for
modelling in plastic. The end result would be stronger too. You can also
buy plastic rod and various shaped cross section ?girders?  in different
sizes. Just a thought.
Geoff F

On Mon, 26 Mar 2018 at 21:31, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <
tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

> Looking good!
>
> The camera and ped have reached beta test time, and I'm bringing a couple
> of units to the disorganised tomorrow. It isn't finished.....
>
> B
>
>
>
>
>
> On 26/03/2018 20:43, Alec Bray via Tech1 wrote:
>
> or, for the more pedantic, the inkjet printer card Heron...
>
> Hello all,
>
> Attached are a couple of snaps of the very first pass of the one-twelfth
> scale paper/card Heron.  You may notice from the photos that it is more a
> structure of PVA wood glue held together with card (it's very rough)  - and
> you will also notice that there is a lot more to do.  For example, the
> central raising pillar for the camera mount is missing - my daughter's
> puppy got hold of it and soggied it .. I could have reported that " ... the
> dog ate my homework ..." which in this case was literally true.  There's
> lots of bits missing at this stage -  I have not figured out how to do the
> seats(s) , and there is the motor for the hydraulics, the steering wheel,
> and there is the control lever on each side, and there is .... and there is
> ..I am sure that you will tell me which bits are critical to add
>
> According to Vintens, there were three varieties of Heron.  This is just
> one of them - the one I remember most from all those long years ago - and
> in any case, I have some side elevations from Vintens, which don't agree
> with each other, and I have no front elevations, so all those width
> dimensions are guesswork...I am very grateful to Ross and Derek who have
> provided some drawings and pictures etc, but really much more documentation
> is needed to do a thorough job!
>
> It's practical, in that the jib goes up and down - the pivots are cocktail
> sticks (I could not face doing card pivots) - but as yet there are no
> wheels (maybe there will never be wheels ...)
>
> As you can see, this is currently work in progress, it is UNFINISHED and a
> FIRST PASS.  Basically, I have got to redraw the whole shebang, and I have
> to figure out whether it is worth doing. In any case, it won't be for some
> time before I can rework the whole thing ...
>
> I think it will be strong enough - there is internal bracing, but it means
> there is a wiggle to get the inner console and jib arms up through the
> outer console: it's like putting on a pullover when every bit has got wet
> glue on it.  It will be fiddly for people to build. And it takes a lot of
> card - there will be something like 10 A4 sheets to construct this (if I/we
> progress with this...)
>
> By the way, it (hopefully) uses Bernie's Mk III head and EMI 2001, so you
> can make your own TV studio rig (and NO, I am NOT doing a Mole crane ...)
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Best Regards
>
> Alec
>
> Alec Bray
> alec.bray.2 at gmail.com
> mob:     07789 561 346
> home:  0118 942 9543
>
>
>
> --
> Tech1 mailing list
> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk
>
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From waresound at msn.com  Tue Mar 27 04:14:58 2018
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2018 09:14:58 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Paper Heron
In-Reply-To: <CAB99AB82P7KRkCQpRi+u=bZNLmr1MVKNEpkUGVtaT0kx=ZWp9Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <030a7c93-914f-f738-1816-66e5b07daa51@gmail.com>
	<62a85cab-b12a-cbc7-6843-d3ad20f8ab8d@gmail.com>,
	<CAB99AB82P7KRkCQpRi+u=bZNLmr1MVKNEpkUGVtaT0kx=ZWp9Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <DB7P192MB03134530FC1E1278357E1D06A7AC0@DB7P192MB0313.EURP192.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

I?m always intrigued to discover the hidden talents that I never knew colleagues past and present have.
For many years I knew, and ofen worked alongside Jim Bolton. Jim lives in retirement in Spain now, but I knew him as a sound recordist at LWT. I don?t think he was ever at the Beeb, but I?m sure many here will have known him at some point.
Thing is, I never knew that he carried a sketch book with him wherever he went, and in any quiet moment he would draw whatever he saw before him or in his imagination.
Search him on Facebook and look at his pictures, recently posted there for all to enjoy.
I?m sure you will love what you see there!
?His? cameraman, Ian Stanley was the same, though his skill was wood whittling. He makes the most exquisite little carved objects and figures, so beautifully carved and finished, you can?t put them down! To hold one = instant good Karma.

Let?s hear what folk here do.
Cheers,
Nick.
(Only sorry I can?t make it to join you at the pub today).

Sent from my iPad

On 27 Mar 2018, at 09:27, Geoff Fletcher via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk<mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:

I scratch build AFVs using plastic card which can be bought in A4 size in various thickness. It occurs to me that a Heron has similarities to AFVs in that it is basically a slab sided construction and so would be suitable for modelling in plastic. The end result would be stronger too. You can also buy plastic rod and various shaped cross section ?girders?  in different sizes. Just a thought.
Geoff F

On Mon, 26 Mar 2018 at 21:31, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk<mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:
Looking good!

The camera and ped have reached beta test time, and I'm bringing a couple of units to the disorganised tomorrow. It isn't finished.....

B

<nmnegjbdbiiphjfc.png>



On 26/03/2018 20:43, Alec Bray via Tech1 wrote:

or, for the more pedantic, the inkjet printer card Heron...

Hello all,

Attached are a couple of snaps of the very first pass of the one-twelfth scale paper/card Heron.  You may notice from the photos that it is more a structure of PVA wood glue held together with card (it's very rough)  - and you will also notice that there is a lot more to do.  For example, the central raising pillar for the camera mount is missing - my daughter's puppy got hold of it and soggied it .. I could have reported that " ... the dog ate my homework ..." which in this case was literally true.  There's lots of bits missing at this stage -  I have not figured out how to do the seats(s) , and there is the motor for the hydraulics, the steering wheel,  and there is the control lever on each side, and there is .... and there is ..I am sure that you will tell me which bits are critical to add

According to Vintens, there were three varieties of Heron.  This is just one of them - the one I remember most from all those long years ago - and in any case, I have some side elevations from Vintens, which don't agree with each other, and I have no front elevations, so all those width dimensions are guesswork...I am very grateful to Ross and Derek who have provided some drawings and pictures etc, but really much more documentation is needed to do a thorough job!

It's practical, in that the jib goes up and down - the pivots are cocktail sticks (I could not face doing card pivots) - but as yet there are no wheels (maybe there will never be wheels ...)

As you can see, this is currently work in progress, it is UNFINISHED and a FIRST PASS.  Basically, I have got to redraw the whole shebang, and I have to figure out whether it is worth doing. In any case, it won't be for some time before I can rework the whole thing ...

I think it will be strong enough - there is internal bracing, but it means there is a wiggle to get the inner console and jib arms up through the outer console: it's like putting on a pullover when every bit has got wet glue on it.  It will be fiddly for people to build. And it takes a lot of card - there will be something like 10 A4 sheets to construct this (if I/we progress with this...)

By the way, it (hopefully) uses Bernie's Mk III head and EMI 2001, so you can make your own TV studio rig (and NO, I am NOT doing a Mole crane

--Best Regards
Alec
Alec Bray
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mob:     07789 561 346
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From geoffletch at gmail.com  Tue Mar 27 05:47:45 2018
From: geoffletch at gmail.com (Geoff Fletcher)
Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2018 11:47:45 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Paper Heron
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Hi Nick,
Would that be ex BBC TV cameraman Ian Stanley?

Geoff F

On Tue, Mar 27, 2018 at 10:14 AM, Nick Ware via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
wrote:

> I?m always intrigued to discover the hidden talents that I never knew
> colleagues past and present have.
> For many years I knew, and ofen worked alongside Jim Bolton. Jim lives in
> retirement in Spain now, but I knew him as a sound recordist at LWT. I
> don?t think he was ever at the Beeb, but I?m sure many here will have known
> him at some point.
> Thing is, I never knew that he carried a sketch book with him wherever he
> went, and in any quiet moment he would draw whatever he saw before him or
> in his imagination.
> Search him on Facebook and look at his pictures, recently posted there for
> all to enjoy.
> I?m sure you will love what you see there!
> ?His? cameraman, Ian Stanley was the same, though his skill was wood
> whittling. He makes the most exquisite little carved objects and figures,
> so beautifully carved and finished, you can?t put them down! To hold one =
> instant good Karma.
>
> Let?s hear what folk here do.
> Cheers,
> Nick.
> (Only sorry I can?t make it to join you at the pub today).
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On 27 Mar 2018, at 09:27, Geoff Fletcher via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
> I scratch build AFVs using plastic card which can be bought in A4 size in
> various thickness. It occurs to me that a Heron has similarities to AFVs in
> that it is basically a slab sided construction and so would be suitable for
> modelling in plastic. The end result would be stronger too. You can also
> buy plastic rod and various shaped cross section ?girders?  in different
> sizes. Just a thought.
> Geoff F
>
> On Mon, 26 Mar 2018 at 21:31, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <
> tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> Looking good!
>>
>> The camera and ped have reached beta test time, and I'm bringing a
>> couple of units to the disorganised tomorrow. It isn't finished.....
>>
>> B
>>
>> <nmnegjbdbiiphjfc.png>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 26/03/2018 20:43, Alec Bray via Tech1 wrote:
>>
>> or, for the more pedantic, the inkjet printer card Heron...
>>
>> Hello all,
>>
>> Attached are a couple of snaps of the very first pass of the one-twelfth
>> scale paper/card Heron.  You may notice from the photos that it is more a
>> structure of PVA wood glue held together with card (it's very rough)  - and
>> you will also notice that there is a lot more to do.  For example, the
>> central raising pillar for the camera mount is missing - my daughter's
>> puppy got hold of it and soggied it .. I could have reported that " ... the
>> dog ate my homework ..." which in this case was literally true.  There's
>> lots of bits missing at this stage -  I have not figured out how to do the
>> seats(s) , and there is the motor for the hydraulics, the steering wheel,
>> and there is the control lever on each side, and there is .... and there is
>> ..I am sure that you will tell me which bits are critical to add
>>
>> According to Vintens, there were three varieties of Heron.  This is just
>> one of them - the one I remember most from all those long years ago - and
>> in any case, I have some side elevations from Vintens, which don't agree
>> with each other, and I have no front elevations, so all those width
>> dimensions are guesswork...I am very grateful to Ross and Derek who have
>> provided some drawings and pictures etc, but really much more documentation
>> is needed to do a thorough job!
>>
>> It's practical, in that the jib goes up and down - the pivots are
>> cocktail sticks (I could not face doing card pivots) - but as yet there are
>> no wheels (maybe there will never be wheels ...)
>>
>> As you can see, this is currently work in progress, it is UNFINISHED and
>> a FIRST PASS.  Basically, I have got to redraw the whole shebang, and I
>> have to figure out whether it is worth doing. In any case, it won't be for
>> some time before I can rework the whole thing ...
>>
>> I think it will be strong enough - there is internal bracing, but it
>> means there is a wiggle to get the inner console and jib arms up through
>> the outer console: it's like putting on a pullover when every bit has got
>> wet glue on it.  It will be fiddly for people to build. And it takes a lot
>> of card - there will be something like 10 A4 sheets to construct this (if
>> I/we progress with this...)
>>
>> By the way, it (hopefully) uses Bernie's Mk III head and EMI 2001, so you
>> can make your own TV studio rig (and NO, I am NOT doing a Mole crane
>>
>> --Best Regards
>> Alec
>> Alec Brayalec.bray.2 at gmail.com
>> mob:     07789 561 346
>> home:  0118 942 9543
>>
>>
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From Waresound at msn.com  Tue Mar 27 15:46:37 2018
From: Waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2018 20:46:37 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] 16x9 or not 16x9?
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New drama serial on BBC tonight. Can anyone help me understand why some numbskull thinks I want a 3.5? black band at top and bottom of the picture on my 40? 16x9 telly? Tops of heads cut off for no reason! Clearly not framed that way in the camera. Why?
Cheers,
Nick.
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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Wed Mar 28 04:12:45 2018
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2018 10:12:45 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Paper cameras
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From vernon.dyer at btinternet.com  Wed Mar 28 05:25:24 2018
From: vernon.dyer at btinternet.com (vernon.dyer at btinternet.com)
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2018 11:25:24 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [Tech1] B.T. Technical - Broadband Compromised Scam
In-Reply-To: <83b350b2-cc96-29f5-3129-65732f48af1d@armoor.co.uk>
References: <83b350b2-cc96-29f5-3129-65732f48af1d@armoor.co.uk>
Message-ID: <19907999.19773.1522232724413.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost>

Hello, Ian and everyone,

Yes, I've had this call from a supposedly Northern Ireland number.  I did what I always do with a number I don't recognise (or 'withheld', etc:  ignore it, don't pick up the phone.  A genuine caller will leave a message for me to call them back.  But they never do, of course.

Best wishes  .....  Vern

----Original message----

Subject : B.T. Technical - Broadband Compromised Scam

Good morning.

I've just had an unusual automated call from 028-4004 1118, telling me 
my broadband has been compromised and will be cut-off.  The voice gave 
me two choices, 1 to talk to a BT Technical support or 2 to contact 
another provider, of course, I did neither.

The phone number they called is VOIP, no physical line and therefore no 
possibility of supporting a broadband connection.  I live in the middle 
of Exmoor.  High speed broadband is provided by Airband over a relay of 
transmitters and nothing to do with B.T. so obviously a scam, but not 
one I'd heard of before.

Has anyone on this list had a similar call?

I couldn't find information about this scam on the internet, so thought 
it might be worth bringing to attention.


All the best

Ian Norman


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From vernon.dyer at btinternet.com  Wed Mar 28 08:13:21 2018
From: vernon.dyer at btinternet.com (vernon.dyer at btinternet.com)
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2018 14:13:21 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: B.T. Technical - Broadband Compromised Scam
In-Reply-To: <19907999.19773.1522232724413.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost>
References: <83b350b2-cc96-29f5-3129-65732f48af1d@armoor.co.uk>
	<19907999.19773.1522232724413.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost>
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I sent this reply to Ian; it was supposed also to come to the forum but that hasn't happened - finger trouble probably -

"----Original message----
>From : vernon.dyer at btinternet.com
Date : 28/03/18 - 11:25 (GMTST)
To : ian.norman at armoor.co.uk, tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject : Re: B.T. Technical - Broadband Compromised Scam

Hello, Ian and everyone,

Yes, I've had this call from a supposedly Northern Ireland number.  I did what I always do with a number I don't recognise (or 'withheld', etc:  ignore it, don't pick up the phone.  A genuine caller will leave a message for me to call them back.  But they never do, of course.

Best wishes  .....  Vern

----Original message----

Subject : B.T. Technical - Broadband Compromised Scam

Good morning.

I've just had an unusual automated call from 028-4004 1118, telling me 
my broadband has been compromised and will be cut-off.  The voice gave 
me two choices, 1 to talk to a BT Technical support or 2 to contact 
another provider, of course, I did neither.

The phone number they called is VOIP, no physical line and therefore no 
possibility of supporting a broadband connection.  I live in the middle 
of Exmoor.  High speed broadband is provided by Airband over a relay of 
transmitters and nothing to do with B.T. so obviously a scam, but not 
one I'd heard of before.

Has anyone on this list had a similar call?

I couldn't find information about this scam on the internet, so thought 
it might be worth bringing to attention.


All the best

Ian Norman "

 - but I should have added that I'm retired, so I'm not likely to get job offers or other business calls.  I do appreciate, however, that that's not the case for everyone.

V 


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From waresound at msn.com  Wed Mar 28 09:07:45 2018
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2018 14:07:45 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] B.T. Technical - Broadband Compromised Scam
In-Reply-To: <19907999.19773.1522232724413.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost>
References: <83b350b2-cc96-29f5-3129-65732f48af1d@armoor.co.uk>,
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I had this same call at about 1.20PM today telling me mine would be cut off at 1PM, which of course it hadn?t been. As soon as they mention BT just hang up.
More worrying are the phishing emails that look convincingly like BT, and in some cases bear a signature in the name of L***y B***. As it happens I know that person, having worked with her often at BT Centre, so I forwarded one such email to her. She called me on my mobile and said all the obvious things, like just delete and ignore, that they were on the case, etc.
You have to worry for the unsuspecting folk who fall for the bait and click on these bogus, nothing to do with BT, messages.

If you are a Windows user, just hover the mouse cursor over any hyperlink and it will reveal its true identity. If it doesn?t look as you would expect, never click on it.
Same probably works for Mac OS, I wouldn?t know. Unfortunately for iPad users (me), the iOS seems to want to hide as much as possible from you, so just ignore and/or delete.

And don?t respond to the ?we were unable to deliver your parcel, click here to re-schedule your delivery? one either!

Cheers and stay safe,
Nick.

Sent from my iPad

On 28 Mar 2018, at 11:26, vernon.dyer--- via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk<mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:

Hello, Ian and everyone,

Yes, I've had this call from a supposedly Northern Ireland number.  I did what I always do with a number I don't recognise (or 'withheld', etc:  ignore it, don't pick up the phone.  A genuine caller will leave a message for me to call them back.  But they never do, of course.

Best wishes  .....  Vern

----Original message----

Subject : B.T. Technical - Broadband Compromised Scam

Good morning.

I've just had an unusual automated call from 028-4004 1118, telling me
my broadband has been compromised and will be cut-off.  The voice gave
me two choices, 1 to talk to a BT Technical support or 2 to contact
another provider, of course, I did neither.

The phone number they called is VOIP, no physical line and therefore no
possibility of supporting a broadband connection.  I live in the middle
of Exmoor.  High speed broadband is provided by Airband over a relay of
transmitters and nothing to do with B.T. so obviously a scam, but not
one I'd heard of before.

Has anyone on this list had a similar call?

I couldn't find information about this scam on the internet, so thought
it might be worth bringing to attention.


All the best

Ian Norman


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From s.k.edwards at btinternet.com  Wed Mar 28 14:55:40 2018
From: s.k.edwards at btinternet.com (Steve Edwards)
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2018 20:55:40 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] B.T. Technical - Broadband Compromised Scam
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That reminds me, it was BT that caught my mother-in-law unaware a few years ago:-

?Hello, this is BT.  The recent payment for your phone bill hasn?t gone through and we will have to terminate your line unless payment is received today?. 

?How do I know this is BT??

?If you hang up and pick up the receiver again you will hear that We have temporarily disconnected your line?

?OK I will ring off and test to check?
(She hears the line is dead - not realising that the fraudster had simply lifted his receiver!)   ?BT? then call her back shortly after) 

?There, you see Mrs H - it is proof that it is BT here. You can you pay on either a debit or credit card?
(She decides to pay on her credit card)

?I?m sorry Mrs H - that payment has been declined and we?ll have to terminate your line - do you have a debit card that may work??
(She gives them the Debit card details )

?Thank you Mrs H your payment has been approved - good bye?

Fortunately she realised it may have been a scam a short while after - not quite quick enough to prevent her two accounts being debited by several hundred pounds!
Under the circumstances, she was refunded by her bank(s). 

These scams will always catch somebody out, in this case an elderly lady. 

.....just sharing our experience.   Now where did I put my old ?Watch out, there?s a thief about!? stickers?

Steve


 





> On 28 Mar 2018, at 15:07, Nick Ware via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> I had this same call at about 1.20PM today telling me mine would be cut off at 1PM, which of course it hadn?t been. As soon as they mention BT just hang up.
> More worrying are the phishing emails that look convincingly like BT, and in some cases bear a signature in the name of L***y B***. As it happens I know that person, having worked with her often at BT Centre, so I forwarded one such email to her. She called  me on my mobile and said all the obvious things, like just delete and ignore, that they were on the case, etc.
> You have to worry for the unsuspecting folk who fall for the bait and click on these bogus, nothing to do with BT, messages.
> 
> If you are a Windows user, just hover the mouse cursor over any hyperlink and it will reveal its true identity. If it doesn?t look as you would expect, never click on it.
> Same probably works for Mac OS, I wouldn?t know. Unfortunately for iPad users (me), the iOS seems to want to hide as much as possible from you, so just ignore and/or delete.
> 
> And don?t respond to the ?we were unable to deliver your parcel, click here to re-schedule your delivery? one either!
> 
> Cheers and stay safe,
> Nick.
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> On 28 Mar 2018, at 11:26, vernon.dyer--- via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
>> Hello, Ian and everyone,
>> 
>> Yes, I've had this call from a supposedly Northern Ireland number.  I did what I always do with a number I don't recognise (or 'withheld', etc:  ignore it, don't pick up the phone.  A genuine caller will leave a message for me to call them back.  But they never do, of course.
>> 
>> Best wishes  .....  Vern
>> 
>> ----Original message----
>> 
>> Subject : B.T. Technical - Broadband Compromised Scam
>> 
>> Good morning.
>> 
>> I've just had an unusual automated call from 028-4004 1118, telling me 
>> my broadband has been compromised and will be cut-off.  The voice gave 
>> me two choices, 1 to talk to a BT Technical support or 2 to contact 
>> another provider, of course, I did neither.
>> 
>> The phone number they called is VOIP, no physical line and therefore no 
>> possibility of supporting a broadband connection.  I live in the middle 
>> of Exmoor.  High speed broadband is provided by Airband over a relay of 
>> transmitters and nothing to do with B.T. so obviously a scam, but not 
>> one I'd heard of before.
>> 
>> Has anyone on this list had a similar call?
>> 
>> I couldn't find information about this scam on the internet, so thought 
>> it might be worth bringing to attention.
>> 
>> 
>> All the best
>> 
>> Ian Norman
>> 
>> 
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From pat.heigham at btinternet.com  Wed Mar 28 15:44:12 2018
From: pat.heigham at btinternet.com (patheigham)
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2018 21:44:12 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: B.T. Technical - Broadband Compromised Scam
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References: <83b350b2-cc96-29f5-3129-65732f48af1d@armoor.co.uk><19907999.19773.1522232724413.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost>
	<14733951.32289.1522242801918.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost>
Message-ID: <4DF638683E9F4FE19E7E447074BF7BA7@PATRICKSONY>

That's a good wheeze!
Used by myself - I have an answer phone across the line, with caller ID,
if I happen to be in, and view the screen - if it says 'witheld' or 
'International'
I let the machine answer. As Vern says, if it's a genuine friend or 
business,
then they will leave a message.
If I decide to monitor the call without picking up, then it usually drops
the line within seconds of the outgoing message = scam call!

You might enjoy the attached, as to how to deal with unwanted calls!

Best
Pat

> From : vernon.dyer at btinternet.com
> Date : 28/03/18 - 11:25 (GMTST)
> To : ian.norman at armoor.co.uk, tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> Subject : Re: B.T. Technical - Broadband Compromised Scam
>
> Hello, Ian and everyone,
>
> Yes, I've had this call from a supposedly Northern Ireland number.  I did 
> what I always do with a number I don't recognise (or 'withheld', etc: 
> ignore it, don't pick up the phone.  A genuine caller will leave a message 
> for me to call them back.  But they never do, of course.
>
> Best wishes  .....  Vern


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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Fri Mar 30 04:08:54 2018
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2018 10:08:54 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Smart Meters
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From s.k.edwards at btinternet.com  Fri Mar 30 04:43:01 2018
From: s.k.edwards at btinternet.com (Steve Edwards)
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2018 10:43:01 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Smart Meters
In-Reply-To: <559d86f3-904c-ad97-f593-695498f9889b@gmail.com>
References: <559d86f3-904c-ad97-f593-695498f9889b@gmail.com>
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Personally I don?t like the idea and don?t consider them necessary. It?s another thing to go wrong.  

Isn?t this just a modern way of energy companies monitoring your usage making it easier to sell products or pass the info between energy providers? 

There?s been loads of problems in the drive to get these things fitted which included an explosion in a house cause by an incompetent fitter. 

Watchdog recently featured these not-so-smart meters - it wasn?t good news!

Anyone can open their existing meter cupboard and look at the speed units are clocking up when they switch the kettle on etc - I don?t need a digital readout or to see this on my phone. It?s also someone else to add to the list of organisations already monitoring/spying on my moves. 

Who manufactures these meters - any MPs on the board of directors by any chance?
We?ve seen enough following the Carillion collapse. 

Steve
Ps Just because they?re watching you doesn?t mean that they?re (not) out to get you! 

> On 30 Mar 2018, at 10:08, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> How do people feel about smart meters?  
> 
> Our new provider OVO rang a week ago and asked if we would fit them, and sounded very diffident about it, as if they are controversial.  Yesterday a man came and fitted them in about an hour, and now I never have to crawl into a cupboard with a torch again. We also have a small screen telling us how much we've used, though I knew that anyway and it won't change anything. I've always known that when the boiler goes "woom" I start using the most energy, and I'm not planning to adjust it at all.
> 
> So - why are they controversial?
> 
> B
>  
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From alawrance1 at me.com  Fri Mar 30 04:51:19 2018
From: alawrance1 at me.com (Alasdair Lawrance)
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2018 10:51:19 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Smart Meters
In-Reply-To: <0FA4CB8A-8912-4F30-B9EE-CDC34530E78E@btinternet.com>
References: <559d86f3-904c-ad97-f593-695498f9889b@gmail.com>
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I gather it can be a problem if you change suppliers, although I don't know how.  The meters belong to somebody else, not your supplier(s), so yet another finger in the pie.

I'm put off by the newspaper advert which always shows a reading in ?p which is less than useful if your trying to cut your consumption.  Can they show units to the consumer as well?  

Alasdair Lawrance

Sent from my iPad2

> On 30 Mar 2018, at 10:43, Steve Edwards via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Personally I don?t like the idea and don?t consider them necessary. It?s another thing to go wrong.  
> 
> Isn?t this just a modern way of energy companies monitoring your usage making it easier to sell products or pass the info between energy providers? 
> 
> There?s been loads of problems in the drive to get these things fitted which included an explosion in a house cause by an incompetent fitter. 
> 
> Watchdog recently featured these not-so-smart meters - it wasn?t good news!
> 
> Anyone can open their existing meter cupboard and look at the speed units are clocking up when they switch the kettle on etc - I don?t need a digital readout or to see this on my phone. It?s also someone else to add to the list of organisations already monitoring/spying on my moves. 
> 
> Who manufactures these meters - any MPs on the board of directors by any chance?
> We?ve seen enough following the Carillion collapse. 
> 
> Steve
> Ps Just because they?re watching you doesn?t mean that they?re (not) out to get you! 
> 
>> On 30 Mar 2018, at 10:08, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> How do people feel about smart meters?  
>> 
>> Our new provider OVO rang a week ago and asked if we would fit them, and sounded very diffident about it, as if they are controversial.  Yesterday a man came and fitted them in about an hour, and now I never have to crawl into a cupboard with a torch again. We also have a small screen telling us how much we've used, though I knew that anyway and it won't change anything. I've always known that when the boiler goes "woom" I start using the most energy, and I'm not planning to adjust it at all.
>> 
>> So - why are they controversial?
>> 
>> B
>>  
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From barrybonner119 at btinternet.com  Fri Mar 30 04:52:18 2018
From: barrybonner119 at btinternet.com (Barry Bonner)
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2018 10:52:18 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Smart Meters
In-Reply-To: <559d86f3-904c-ad97-f593-695498f9889b@gmail.com>
References: <559d86f3-904c-ad97-f593-695498f9889b@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <01C6A7F6-AEFD-4288-B547-B0EFDD4BB17D@btinternet.com>

Hi Bernie,
	I won't be having one as.............

	1) I'm quite capable of reading a meter, I spent a lot of time in my career just doing that!
	2) They are not compatible between suppliers, meaning you're less likely to be bothered to change.
	3) I frequently have to "crawl into a cupboard with a torch" to find tools but only 4 times a year to read the gas and electricity meters.
	4) There's no guarantee that data will not be used to bombard you with offers.
	5) They will never, in spite of what some suppliers have said, be compulsory.
	6) It don't like the idea of putting meter readers out of work.
	7) I already have a clamp meter supplied by E.ON that tells me my daily consumption.
	8) There have been a few fires caused by them.
	9) As you say, you'll carry on using the settings that you've worked out over many moons!

	So that's why they are controversial!

		Barry.

On 30 Mar 2018, at 10:08, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote:

How do people feel about smart meters?  

Our new provider OVO rang a week ago and asked if we would fit them, and sounded very diffident about it, as if they are controversial.  Yesterday a man came and fitted them in about an hour, and now I never have to crawl into a cupboard with a torch again. We also have a small screen telling us how much we've used, though I knew that anyway and it won't change anything. I've always known that when the boiler goes "woom" I start using the most energy, and I'm not planning to adjust it at all.

So - why are they controversial?

B
 
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From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk  Fri Mar 30 04:57:57 2018
From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf)
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2018 10:57:57 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Smart Meters
In-Reply-To: <0FA4CB8A-8912-4F30-B9EE-CDC34530E78E@btinternet.com>
References: <559d86f3-904c-ad97-f593-695498f9889b@gmail.com>
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On 30/03/2018 10:43, Steve Edwards via Tech1 wrote:
> ..
> Isn?t this just a modern way of energy companies monitoring your usage 
> making it easier to sell products or pass the info between energy 
> providers?

No, it is fundamentally a good idea, even though the implementation is 
typically British, half-arsed, ill-guided by government, and being 
perverted by accountants - much as DAB was ruined when the money men 
realised that you could squeeze in twice the number of channels if you 
chucked quality and reliability out of the equation.

The aim of smart meters (besides making it far easier to get them read) 
is to provide real-time pricing and energy control. The supply industry 
has to cope with ~peak~ demand currently, because it has no way to 
control how much current is used. The principle behind the concept of 
smart metering is to make the power much cheaper when demand is low, and 
conversely higher when the generators are struggling. If that can be 
coupled with the next stage of smartness - switching gear off, 
short-term, when demand is excessive, then the generation capacity can 
be reduced to nearer the ~average~ demand.

This reduces the need for a great deal of standby plant, which is always 
very expensive to provide, and will become even more necessary when 
electric cars become the norm - oh, yes, they will. Trying to charge 
these all at the same time would create impossible supply demands, but 
spreading the charge over time it becomes much more manageable.

Whether the current meters being installed will come anywhere close to 
helping with these developments I'm not sure - they are better than the 
first iteration. But the concept shouldn't be damned.

Chris Woolf

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From dave at davesound.co.uk  Fri Mar 30 04:50:54 2018
From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman)
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2018 10:50:54 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Smart Meters
In-Reply-To: <559d86f3-904c-ad97-f593-695498f9889b@gmail.com>
References: <559d86f3-904c-ad97-f593-695498f9889b@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <56e0d4bb80dave@davesound.co.uk>

In article <559d86f3-904c-ad97-f593-695498f9889b at gmail.com>,
   Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> --===============8794401064352543325== Content-Type: text/html;
> charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-GB Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
> How do people feel about smart meters?? 

> Our new provider OVO rang a week ago and asked if we would fit them, and
> sounded very diffident about it, as if they are controversial.?
> Yesterday a man came and fitted them in about an hour, and now I never
> have to crawl into a cupboard with a torch again. We also have a small
> screen telling us how much we've used, though I knew that anyway and it
> won't change anything. I've always known that when the boiler goes
> "woom" I start using the most energy, and I'm not planning to adjust it
> at all.

> So - why are they controversial?

One thing I've read is they may not work if you change supplier. Also a
pal in Tooting was refused one as they couldn't get a signal from it -
meters located in the cupboard under the stairs.

-- 
*I used up all my sick days so I called in dead

    Dave Plowman     dave at davesound.co.uk     London SW 12
    


From j at howell61.f9.co.uk  Fri Mar 30 05:36:58 2018
From: j at howell61.f9.co.uk (John Howell)
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2018 11:36:58 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Smart Meters
In-Reply-To: <56e0d4bb80dave@davesound.co.uk>
References: <559d86f3-904c-ad97-f593-695498f9889b@gmail.com>
	<56e0d4bb80dave@davesound.co.uk>
Message-ID: <9c4208d7-f504-d225-54cf-1ad845305559@howell61.f9.co.uk>

My? Smart gas metering device has no electrical connection so it has to 
be battery powered.

I presume it transmits a short burst of data every now & then to the 
electricity unit

a couple of feet away. Batteries go flat, especially powering a 
transmitter, what happens then?


John H.


On 30/03/2018 10:50, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote:
> In article <559d86f3-904c-ad97-f593-695498f9889b at gmail.com>,
>     Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> --===============8794401064352543325== Content-Type: text/html;
>> charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-GB Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
>> How do people feel about smart meters??
>> Our new provider OVO rang a week ago and asked if we would fit them, and
>> sounded very diffident about it, as if they are controversial.?
>> Yesterday a man came and fitted them in about an hour, and now I never
>> have to crawl into a cupboard with a torch again. We also have a small
>> screen telling us how much we've used, though I knew that anyway and it
>> won't change anything. I've always known that when the boiler goes
>> "woom" I start using the most energy, and I'm not planning to adjust it
>> at all.
>> So - why are they controversial?
> One thing I've read is they may not work if you change supplier. Also a
> pal in Tooting was refused one as they couldn't get a signal from it -
> meters located in the cupboard under the stairs.
>

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From mikej at bmanor.co.uk  Fri Mar 30 05:59:29 2018
From: mikej at bmanor.co.uk (Mike Jordan)
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2018 11:59:29 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Smart Meters
In-Reply-To: <9c4208d7-f504-d225-54cf-1ad845305559@howell61.f9.co.uk>
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Call me  a ?stick in the mud? but it is hardly a strain to read the meters and upload figures when prompted by the supplier and we all know when energy is being used when we turn the kettle on for a nice cup of tea or take care to fill the washing machine fully before use or have thermostats on radiators in unused rooms.
And as mentioned, these devices are not interchangeable if swapping suppliers and I bet they will charge you to remove the redundant ones or pay for them if you do move.
An Ex-BH colleague I was talking to this week said they had to have the signal survey before fitting and there was a problem as the meters were separated and one was in a secure metal box so wouldn?t work unless the door was scrapped.

Mike

From: John Howell via Tech1 
Sent: Friday, March 30, 2018 11:36 AM
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk 
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Smart Meters

My  Smart gas metering device has no electrical connection so it has to be battery powered.

I presume it transmits a short burst of data every now & then to the electricity unit

a couple of feet away. Batteries go flat, especially powering a transmitter, what happens then?




John H.
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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Fri Mar 30 06:07:00 2018
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2018 12:07:00 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Smart Meters
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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Fri Mar 30 06:07:16 2018
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2018 12:07:16 +0100
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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Fri Mar 30 06:42:17 2018
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2018 12:42:17 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Water Meters
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There only two of us in the house these days, when our water meter was 
fitted my bills plummeted! Cheers, Dave
On 30/03/2018 12:07, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote:
> I'm not advocating them as I have no experience - well, about 16 hours 
> so far.....
>
> The man from OVO tells me that the gas meter battery will last 25 
> years. It seems unlikely that thehouse will burn down - they've 
> probably fixed that little problem by now - I hope. And apparently 
> this modern sort of system will work across lots of providers, unlike 
> earlier ones. I suppose that's in everyone's interest.
>
> This is the screen thing. You have lots of? ways to show accumulated 
> data, though I have no plans to change my usage.? We have a big leaky 
> house, and really the only way to change that is to move.
>
> It all seems to have it's own network, and the electric meter has the 
> main computer.
>
> Whatever - I've got it now and probably can't go backwards. We shall see.
>
> I don't have a water meter though. My wife wants to avoid that.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 30/03/2018 10:52, Barry Bonner wrote:
>> Hi Bernie,
>> I won't be having one as.............
>>
>> 1) I'm quite capable of reading a meter, I spent a lot of time in my 
>> career just doing that!
>> 2) They are not compatible between suppliers, meaning you're less 
>> likely to be bothered to change.
>> 3) I frequently have to "crawl into a cupboard with a torch" to find 
>> tools but only 4 times a year to read the gas and electricity meters.
>> 4) There's no guarantee that data will not be used to bombard you 
>> with offers.
>> 5) They will never, in spite of what some suppliers have said, be 
>> compulsory.
>> 6) It don't like the idea of putting meter readers out of work.
>> 7) I already have a clamp meter supplied by E.ON that tells me my 
>> daily consumption.
>> 8) There have been a few fires caused by them.
>> 9) As you say, you'll carry on using the settings that you've worked 
>> out over many moons!
>>
>> So that's why they are controversial!
>>
>> Barry.
>>
>> On 30 Mar 2018, at 10:08, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote:
>>
>> How do people feel about smart meters?
>>
>> Our new providerOVO rang a week ago and asked if wewould fit them, 
>> and sounded very diffident about it, as if they are controversial.? 
>> Yesterday a man came and fitted them in about an hour, and now I 
>> never have to crawl intoa cupboard witha torch again. We also have a 
>> small screen telling us how much we've used, though I knew that 
>> anyway and it won't change anything. I've always known that when the 
>> boiler goes "woom" I start using the most energy, and I'm not 
>> planning to adjust it at all.
>>
>> So - why are they controversial?
>>
>> B
>>
>> -- 
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From crew13 at vincent68.plus.com  Fri Mar 30 06:49:16 2018
From: crew13 at vincent68.plus.com (John Vincent)
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2018 12:49:16 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Smart Meters
In-Reply-To: <c148e0b4-4242-fd76-0d5a-b822275f2f7e@gmail.com>
References: <559d86f3-904c-ad97-f593-695498f9889b@gmail.com>
	<01C6A7F6-AEFD-4288-B547-B0EFDD4BB17D@btinternet.com>
	<c148e0b4-4242-fd76-0d5a-b822275f2f7e@gmail.com>
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A couple of years ago we had a water meter fitted. Our direct debit went from ?79 to ?15.

A no brainer if there's only 2 of you!

JV


On 30 Mar 2018, at 12:07, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote:

> I'm not advocating them as I have no experience - well, about 16 hours so far.....  
> 
> The man from OVO tells me that the gas meter battery will last 25 years. It seems unlikely that the house will burn down - they've probably fixed that little problem by now - I hope. And apparently this modern sort of system will work across lots of providers, unlike earlier ones. I suppose that's in everyone's interest. 
> 
> This is the screen thing. You have lots of  ways to show accumulated data, though I have no plans to change my usage.  We have a big leaky house, and really the only way to change that is to move.
> 
> It all seems to have it's own network, and the electric meter has the main computer.
> 
> Whatever - I've got it now and probably can't go backwards.  We shall see. 
> 
> I don't have a water meter though. My wife wants to avoid that.
> 
> <nmkiegepgacohkbc.png>
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 30/03/2018 10:52, Barry Bonner wrote:
>> Hi Bernie,
>> 	I won't be having one as.............
>> 
>> 	1) I'm quite capable of reading a meter, I spent a lot of time in my career just doing that!
>> 	2) They are not compatible between suppliers, meaning you're less likely to be bothered to change.
>> 	3) I frequently have to "crawl into a cupboard with a torch" to find tools but only 4 times a year to read the gas and electricity meters.
>> 	4) There's no guarantee that data will not be used to bombard you with offers.
>> 	5) They will never, in spite of what some suppliers have said, be compulsory.
>> 	6) It don't like the idea of putting meter readers out of work.
>> 	7) I already have a clamp meter supplied by E.ON that tells me my daily consumption.
>> 	8) There have been a few fires caused by them.
>> 	9) As you say, you'll carry on using the settings that you've worked out over many moons!
>> 
>> 	So that's why they are controversial!
>> 
>>  		Barry.
>> 
>> On 30 Mar 2018, at 10:08, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote:
>> 
>> How do people feel about smart meters?  
>> 
>> Our new provider OVO rang a week ago and asked if we would fit them, and sounded very diffident about it, as if they are controversial.  Yesterday a man came and fitted them in about an hour, and now I never have to crawl into a cupboard with a torch again. We also have a small screen telling us how much we've used, though I knew that anyway and it won't change anything. I've always known that when the boiler goes "woom" I start using the most energy, and I'm not planning to adjust it at all.
>> 
>> So - why are they controversial?
>> 
>> B
>>  
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From billjenkin67 at gmail.com  Fri Mar 30 06:57:25 2018
From: billjenkin67 at gmail.com (Bill Jenkin)
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2018 12:57:25 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Smart Meters
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I haven?t got one but have nothing in principle against them. However if you do decide to have one make sure your provider is installing a second generation one which, as Bernie says, should operate across all suppliers if you decide to switch.  I have heard that the current push to install smart meters is coming from suppliers who are trying to get rid of all the first generation ones before they have to supply the new type.

Bill j

 

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Sent: 30 March 2018 12:07
To: Barry Bonner; Bernard Newnham
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I'm not advocating them as I have no experience - well, about 16 hours so far.....  

The man from OVO tells me that the gas meter battery will last 25 years. It seems unlikely that the house will burn down - they've probably fixed that little problem by now - I hope. And apparently this modern sort of system will work across lots of providers, unlike earlier ones. I suppose that's in everyone's interest. 

This is the screen thing. You have lots of  ways to show accumulated data, though I have no plans to change my usage.  We have a big leaky house, and really the only way to change that is to move.

It all seems to have it's own network, and the electric meter has the main computer.

Whatever - I've got it now and probably can't go backwards.  We shall see. 

I don't have a water meter though. My wife wants to avoid that.







 

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From graeme.wall at icloud.com  Fri Mar 30 07:01:32 2018
From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall)
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2018 13:01:32 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Smart Meters
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Actually water meters are a good idea if the kids have flown the nest.  Without one they calculate you are using as much water as an average family for the size of house.  If it?s just you and SWMBO then you?ll be using a lot less water. Getting a meter halved my water bills.

? 
Graeme Wall





> On 30 Mar 2018, at 12:07, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> I'm not advocating them as I have no experience - well, about 16 hours so far.....  
> 
> The man from OVO tells me that the gas meter battery will last 25 years. It seems unlikely that the house will burn down - they've probably fixed that little problem by now - I hope. And apparently this modern sort of system will work across lots of providers, unlike earlier ones. I suppose that's in everyone's interest. 
> 
> This is the screen thing. You have lots of  ways to show accumulated data, though I have no plans to change my usage.  We have a big leaky house, and really the only way to change that is to move.
> 
> It all seems to have it's own network, and the electric meter has the main computer.
> 
> Whatever - I've got it now and probably can't go backwards.  We shall see. 
> 
> I don't have a water meter though. My wife wants to avoid that.
> 
> <nmkiegepgacohkbc.png>
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 30/03/2018 10:52, Barry Bonner wrote:
>> Hi Bernie,
>> 	I won't be having one as.............
>> 
>> 	1) I'm quite capable of reading a meter, I spent a lot of time in my career just doing that!
>> 	2) They are not compatible between suppliers, meaning you're less likely to be bothered to change.
>> 	3) I frequently have to "crawl into a cupboard with a torch" to find tools but only 4 times a year to read the gas and electricity meters.
>> 	4) There's no guarantee that data will not be used to bombard you with offers.
>> 	5) They will never, in spite of what some suppliers have said, be compulsory.
>> 	6) It don't like the idea of putting meter readers out of work.
>> 	7) I already have a clamp meter supplied by E.ON that tells me my daily consumption.
>> 	8) There have been a few fires caused by them.
>> 	9) As you say, you'll carry on using the settings that you've worked out over many moons!
>> 
>> 	So that's why they are controversial!
>> 
>>  		Barry.
>> 
>> On 30 Mar 2018, at 10:08, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote:
>> 
>> How do people feel about smart meters?  
>> 
>> Our new provider OVO rang a week ago and asked if we would fit them, and sounded very diffident about it, as if they are controversial.  Yesterday a man came and fitted them in about an hour, and now I never have to crawl into a cupboard with a torch again. We also have a small screen telling us how much we've used, though I knew that anyway and it won't change anything. I've always known that when the boiler goes "woom" I start using the most energy, and I'm not planning to adjust it at all.
>> 
>> So - why are they controversial?
>> 
>> B
>>  
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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Fri Mar 30 08:39:21 2018
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2018 14:39:21 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Smart Meters
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From s.k.edwards at btinternet.com  Fri Mar 30 09:05:48 2018
From: s.k.edwards at btinternet.com (Steve Edwards)
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2018 15:05:48 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Smart Meters
In-Reply-To: <eb59dca1-db74-9968-7224-c9ebe745cce2@ntlworld.com>
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Water Meters are great is you don?t use much water........but I have a big garden with lots of juvenile trees that will fail if I don?t take care of them along with my plants and regular washing of cars etc etc. 

I have an expensive water bill - even more annoying as my water supply is extracted from a nearby river which is downstream of a number of sewage treatment plants flowing into it!

Meters are Not a good idea for people in my situation. (Yes I could stop moaning and dig myself a well) 

Steve  



> On 30 Mar 2018, at 14:39, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> So is the consensus that water meters are desirable?   What about if you spend your summers water the garden?
> 
> B
> 
> 
> 
>> On 30/03/2018 13:01, Graeme Wall wrote:
>> Actually water meters are a good idea if the kids have flown the nest.  Without one they calculate you are using as much water as an average family for the size of house.  If it?s just you and SWMBO then you?ll be using a lot less water. Getting a meter halved my water bills.
>> 
>> ? 
>> Graeme Wall
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>>> On 30 Mar 2018, at 12:07, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I'm not advocating them as I have no experience - well, about 16 hours so far.....  
>>>> 
>>>> The man from OVO tells me that the gas meter battery will last 25 years. It seems unlikely that the house will burn down - they've probably fixed that little problem by now - I hope. And apparently this modern sort of system will work across lots of providers, unlike earlier ones. I suppose that's in everyone's interest. 
>>>> 
>>>> This is the screen thing. You have lots of  ways to show accumulated data, though I have no plans to change my usage.  We have a big leaky house, and really the only way to change that is to move.
>>>> 
>>>> It all seems to have it's own network, and the electric meter has the main computer.
>>>> 
>>>> Whatever - I've got it now and probably can't go backwards.  We shall see. 
>>>> 
>>>> I don't have a water meter though. My wife wants to avoid that.
>>>> 
>>>> <nmkiegepgacohkbc.png>
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On 30/03/2018 10:52, Barry Bonner wrote:
>>>> Hi Bernie,
>>>> 	I won't be having one as.............
>>>> 
>>>> 	1) I'm quite capable of reading a meter, I spent a lot of time in my career just doing that!
>>>> 	2) They are not compatible between suppliers, meaning you're less likely to be bothered to change.
>>>> 	3) I frequently have to "crawl into a cupboard with a torch" to find tools but only 4 times a year to read the gas and electricity meters.
>>>> 	4) There's no guarantee that data will not be used to bombard you with offers.
>>>> 	5) They will never, in spite of what some suppliers have said, be compulsory.
>>>> 	6) It don't like the idea of putting meter readers out of work.
>>>> 	7) I already have a clamp meter supplied by E.ON that tells me my daily consumption.
>>>> 	8) There have been a few fires caused by them.
>>>> 	9) As you say, you'll carry on using the settings that you've worked out over many moons!
>>>> 
>>>> 	So that's why they are controversial!
>>>> 
>>>>  		Barry.
>>>> 
>>>> On 30 Mar 2018, at 10:08, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> How do people feel about smart meters?  
>>>> 
>>>> Our new provider OVO rang a week ago and asked if we would fit them, and sounded very diffident about it, as if they are controversial.  Yesterday a man came and fitted them in about an hour, and now I never have to crawl into a cupboard with a torch again. We also have a small screen telling us how much we've used, though I knew that anyway and it won't change anything. I've always known that when the boiler goes "woom" I start using the most energy, and I'm not planning to adjust it at all.
>>>> 
>>>> So - why are they controversial?
>>>> 
>>>> B
>>>>  
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From david.jasma at sky.com  Fri Mar 30 09:07:08 2018
From: david.jasma at sky.com (Dave Buckley)
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2018 15:07:08 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] electricity and water meters
Message-ID: <000701d3c830$6418d210$2c4a7630$@sky.com>

Scottish Power contacted me recently to say that their engineers were in the
area and could they make an appointment to call and fit a smart meter? NO
thanks was my answer, and please make a note on my account that I don't want
one (it isn't now compulsory to have a smart meter fitted).

As for a water meter, for many years owned a holiday chalet which could only
be used for eight months of the year. The water rate was worked out on
rateable value and cost about ?220 a year.
I had a water meter fitted and the cost I was paying for water was halved as
a result. Also, the chalet had a sloping flat roof and no gutters, so the
water just fell onto the ground below. This meant I could claim about
another ?10 or so a year off the water rate as the rain water didn't go into
the drainage system.

Dave Buckley


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From mibridge at mac.com  Fri Mar 30 09:29:39 2018
From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles)
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2018 15:29:39 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Smart Meters
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But if you water your garden with an unattended hose, or have an outside tap, I believe, you?re supposed to have a meter anyway. And don?t I recall that private water extraction from aquifers requires a licence?

There are just the two of us and we?ve been on a water meter for years. The bills just about halved when it was fitted (free) when Sutton and South East Surrey Water were doing a promotion. We?re not excessively careful with water, both shower every day and do use a hose in the summer when necessary, besides washing the terrace and the car. 

As to Smart meters, I have been contacted more than once to arrange an installation and I?ve simply said please put me at the back of the queue, When all the teething troubles and incompatibility issues are sorted out I may say go ahead, but in the meantime, I submit monthly readings on the mobile phone and it works a treat. Do they physically remove the gas meter and fit something in its place, or simply attach something to the existing meter? Getting at our gas meter to change it would be our biggest disincentive as it would require a kitchen cupboard to come off the wall and I certainly don?t want to do that more than once.

Mike G


> On 30 Mar 2018, at 15:05, Steve Edwards via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Water Meters are great is you don?t use much water........but I have a big garden with lots of juvenile trees that will fail if I don?t take care of them along with my plants and regular washing of cars etc etc. 
> 
> I have an expensive water bill - even more annoying as my water supply is extracted from a nearby river which is downstream of a number of sewage treatment plants flowing into it!
> 
> Meters are Not a good idea for people in my situation. (Yes I could stop moaning and dig myself a well) 
> 
> Steve  
> 
> 
> 
> On 30 Mar 2018, at 14:39, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:
> 
>> So is the consensus that water meters are desirable?   What about if you spend your summers water the garden?
>> 
>> B
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 30/03/2018 13:01, Graeme Wall wrote:
>>> Actually water meters are a good idea if the kids have flown the nest.  Without one they calculate you are using as much water as an average family for the size of house.  If it?s just you and SWMBO then you?ll be using a lot less water. Getting a meter halved my water bills.
>>> 
>>> ? 
>>> Graeme Wall
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On 30 Mar 2018, at 12:07, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I'm not advocating them as I have no experience - well, about 16 hours so far.....  
>>>> 
>>>> The man from OVO tells me that the gas meter battery will last 25 years. It seems unlikely that the house will burn down - they've probably fixed that little problem by now - I hope. And apparently this modern sort of system will work across lots of providers, unlike earlier ones. I suppose that's in everyone's interest. 
>>>> 
>>>> This is the screen thing. You have lots of  ways to show accumulated data, though I have no plans to change my usage.  We have a big leaky house, and really the only way to change that is to move.
>>>> 
>>>> It all seems to have it's own network, and the electric meter has the main computer.
>>>> 
>>>> Whatever - I've got it now and probably can't go backwards.  We shall see. 
>>>> 
>>>> I don't have a water meter though. My wife wants to avoid that.
>>>> 
>>>> <nmkiegepgacohkbc.png>
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On 30/03/2018 10:52, Barry Bonner wrote:
>>>>> Hi Bernie,
>>>>> 	I won't be having one as.............
>>>>> 
>>>>> 	1) I'm quite capable of reading a meter, I spent a lot of time in my career just doing that!
>>>>> 	2) They are not compatible between suppliers, meaning you're less likely to be bothered to change.
>>>>> 	3) I frequently have to "crawl into a cupboard with a torch" to find tools but only 4 times a year to read the gas and electricity meters.
>>>>> 	4) There's no guarantee that data will not be used to bombard you with offers.
>>>>> 	5) They will never, in spite of what some suppliers have said, be compulsory.
>>>>> 	6) It don't like the idea of putting meter readers out of work.
>>>>> 	7) I already have a clamp meter supplied by E.ON that tells me my daily consumption.
>>>>> 	8) There have been a few fires caused by them.
>>>>> 	9) As you say, you'll carry on using the settings that you've worked out over many moons!
>>>>> 
>>>>> 	So that's why they are controversial!
>>>>> 
>>>>>  		Barry.
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 30 Mar 2018, at 10:08, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> How do people feel about smart meters?  
>>>>> 
>>>>> Our new provider OVO rang a week ago and asked if we would fit them, and sounded very diffident about it, as if they are controversial.  Yesterday a man came and fitted them in about an hour, and now I never have to crawl into a cupboard with a torch again. We also have a small screen telling us how much we've used, though I knew that anyway and it won't change anything. I've always known that when the boiler goes "woom" I start using the most energy, and I'm not planning to adjust it at all.
>>>>> 
>>>>> So - why are they controversial?
>>>>> 
>>>>> B
>>>>>  
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From ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com  Fri Mar 30 10:26:11 2018
From: ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com (Albert Barber)
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2018 16:26:11 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] electricity and water meters
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References: <000701d3c830$6418d210$2c4a7630$@sky.com>
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If you had one of these you could have almost any chocolate bar. Affectionately known as a tanner!



> On 30 Mar 2018, at 15:07, Dave Buckley via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Scottish Power contacted me recently to say that their engineers were in the
> area and could they make an appointment to call and fit a smart meter? NO
> thanks was my answer, and please make a note on my account that I don't want
> one (it isn't now compulsory to have a smart meter fitted).
> 
> As for a water meter, for many years owned a holiday chalet which could only
> be used for eight months of the year. The water rate was worked out on
> rateable value and cost about ?220 a year.
> I had a water meter fitted and the cost I was paying for water was halved as
> a result. Also, the chalet had a sloping flat roof and no gutters, so the
> water just fell onto the ground below. This meant I could claim about
> another ?10 or so a year off the water rate as the rain water didn't go into
> the drainage system.
> 
> Dave Buckley
> 
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From doug.prior at talktalk.net  Fri Mar 30 10:39:23 2018
From: doug.prior at talktalk.net (doug.prior at talktalk.net)
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2018 16:39:23 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [Tech1] Smart meters
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I think the most worrying thing about smart meters is that it will lead to variable pricing, particularly at peak times, and since they will know what you are using at any time they can charge you accordingly.I`m sure the technically savvy will be able to take advantage of this -like with water meters - but I don`t think the Great British Public care that much which is why they wont switch utilities. bank accounts etc.
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From graeme.wall at icloud.com  Fri Mar 30 10:39:56 2018
From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall)
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2018 16:39:56 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] electricity and water meters
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But you need one of these for the meter?
? 
Graeme Wall





> On 30 Mar 2018, at 16:26, Albert Barber via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> If you had one of these you could have almost any chocolate bar. Affectionately known as a tanner!
> 
> <British_sixpence_1962_reverse.png>
> 
>> On 30 Mar 2018, at 15:07, Dave Buckley via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> Scottish Power contacted me recently to say that their engineers were in the
>> area and could they make an appointment to call and fit a smart meter? NO
>> thanks was my answer, and please make a note on my account that I don't want
>> one (it isn't now compulsory to have a smart meter fitted).
>> 
>> As for a water meter, for many years owned a holiday chalet which could only
>> be used for eight months of the year. The water rate was worked out on
>> rateable value and cost about ?220 a year.
>> I had a water meter fitted and the cost I was paying for water was halved as
>> a result. Also, the chalet had a sloping flat roof and no gutters, so the
>> water just fell onto the ground below. This meant I could claim about
>> another ?10 or so a year off the water rate as the rain water didn't go into
>> the drainage system.
>> 
>> Dave Buckley
>> 
>> 
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From patheigham at amps.net  Fri Mar 30 11:02:53 2018
From: patheigham at amps.net (patrickheigham)
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2018 17:02:53 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Smart Meters
In-Reply-To: <559d86f3-904c-ad97-f593-695498f9889b@gmail.com>
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Re: meters
Electricity:
EDF fitted me with a smart meter - it renders the reading via the Vodafone network,
therefore the engineer checked the signal strength before installation.
The small remote display screen is quite useful, as it can be switched between various
readings - I find the instantaneous consumption to be mostly viewed.
Gas:
Not gone for that yet.
However with Gas central heating I gather that keeping the property up to
temperature all day is cheaper than letting it go down to almost cold and boosting later.
As I'm retired, I'm in most of the time and I don't like being cold.
Water:
Definitely best if one or two occupants only.
I made a chart for my residents in the three blocks of flats where I reside,
going to the extent of measuring the water consumption of handbasin /
kitchen sink / bath, for a decent wallow level! / and loo flushing.
(Don't have a shower).
Car washing and lawn sprinklers will modify that, and the fixed charge
might be a better bet.

If your rain water run-off does not go into the main drainage, then there
is a discount available - at least for Sutton & East Surrey.
This affects the charge for sewage disposal.

If you collect rain water in butts, you could water the grass with a small
pump? This brings electricity back into play!!

Best
Pat



  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Bernard Newnham via Tech1 
  To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk 
  Sent: Friday, March 30, 2018 10:08 AM
  Subject: [Tech1] Smart Meters


  How do people feel about smart meters?  

  Our new provider OVO rang a week ago and asked if we would fit them, and sounded very diffident about it, as if they are controversial.  Yesterday a man came and fitted them in about an hour, and now I never have to crawl into a cupboard with a torch again. We also have a small screen telling us how much we've used, though I knew that anyway and it won't change anything. I've always known that when the boiler goes "woom" I start using the most energy, and I'm not planning to adjust it at all.

  So - why are they controversial?

  B
   



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From patheigham at amps.net  Fri Mar 30 11:14:35 2018
From: patheigham at amps.net (patrickheigham)
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2018 17:14:35 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Smart meters
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Interesting thought, Doug.
Sounds a bit like train fares at different times of day?
Maximum usage= higher cost

This leads me on to the scam that petrol prices run:
If the cost of raw fuel increases then the pump price
is immediately put up, in spite of the storage tanks
remaining filled at the lower price, but if the raw price
decreases, it's ages before the forecourt price changes.

Pat

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: doug.prior--- via Tech1 
  To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk 
  Sent: Friday, March 30, 2018 4:39 PM
  Subject: [Tech1] Smart meters


  I think the most worrying thing about smart meters is that it will lead to variable pricing, particularly at peak times, and since they will know what you are using at any time they can charge you accordingly.
  I`m sure the technically savvy will be able to take advantage of this -like with water meters - but I don`t think the Great British Public care that much which is why they wont switch utilities. bank accounts etc.


  Doug Prior

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From barrybonner119 at btinternet.com  Fri Mar 30 11:14:43 2018
From: barrybonner119 at btinternet.com (Barry Bonner)
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2018 17:14:43 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] electricity and water meters
In-Reply-To: <EDD8127D-59E1-4C8A-B0AB-DB6278E77E7E@btinternet.com>
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If you had one of these you could have almost half of any chocolate bar. We were a big family!
Barry.
 	
				


On 30 Mar 2018, at 16:26, Albert Barber via Tech1 wrote:

If you had one of these you could have almost any chocolate bar. Affectionately known as a tanner!

<British_sixpence_1962_reverse.png>

> On 30 Mar 2018, at 15:07, Dave Buckley via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Scottish Power contacted me recently to say that their engineers were in the
> area and could they make an appointment to call and fit a smart meter? NO
> thanks was my answer, and please make a note on my account that I don't want
> one (it isn't now compulsory to have a smart meter fitted).
> 
> As for a water meter, for many years owned a holiday chalet which could only
> be used for eight months of the year. The water rate was worked out on
> rateable value and cost about ?220 a year.
> I had a water meter fitted and the cost I was paying for water was halved as
> a result. Also, the chalet had a sloping flat roof and no gutters, so the
> water just fell onto the ground below. This meant I could claim about
> another ?10 or so a year off the water rate as the rain water didn't go into
> the drainage system.
> 
> Dave Buckley
> 
> 
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From s.k.edwards at btinternet.com  Fri Mar 30 11:20:24 2018
From: s.k.edwards at btinternet.com (Steve Edwards)
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2018 17:20:24 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Smart Meters
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	<1E76CAA17FA94841AC8024AA87A58611@PATRICKSONY>
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When all said and done - I can?t believe those smart meters are put in for ?our? advantage. You bet the real reason why there?s a massive drive to force them onto us will become apparent in the not too distant future!  ?????

S




> On 30 Mar 2018, at 17:02, patrickheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Re: meters
> Electricity:
> EDF fitted me with a smart meter - it renders the reading via the Vodafone network,
> therefore the engineer checked the signal strength  before installation.
> The small remote display screen is quite useful, as  it can be switched between various
> readings - I find the instantaneous consumption to be mostly viewed.
> Gas:
> Not gone for that yet.
> However with Gas central heating I gather that keeping the property up to
> temperature all day is cheaper than letting it go down to almost cold and boosting later.
> As I'm retired, I'm in most of the time and I don't like being cold.
> Water:
> Definitely best if one or two occupants only.
> I made a chart for my residents in the three blocks of flats where I reside,
> going to the extent of measuring the water consumption of handbasin /
> kitchen sink / bath, for a decent wallow level! / and loo flushing.
> (Don't have a shower).
> Car washing and lawn sprinklers will modify that, and the fixed charge
> might be a better bet.
>  
> If your rain water run-off does not go into the main drainage, then there
> is a discount available - at least for Sutton & East Surrey.
> This affects the charge for sewage disposal.
>  
> If you collect rain water in butts, you could water the grass with a small
> pump? This brings electricity back into play!!
>  
> Best
> Pat
>  
>  
>  
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Bernard Newnham via Tech1
> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> Sent: Friday, March 30, 2018 10:08 AM
> Subject: [Tech1] Smart Meters
> 
> How do people feel about smart meters?  
> 
> Our new provider OVO rang a week ago and asked if we would fit them, and sounded very diffident about it, as if they are controversial.  Yesterday a man came and fitted them in about an hour, and now I never have to crawl into a cupboard with a torch again. We also have a small screen telling us how much we've used, though I knew that anyway and it won't change anything. I've always known that when the boiler goes "woom" I start using the most energy, and I'm not planning to adjust it at all.
> 
> So - why are they controversial?
> 
> B
>  
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From ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com  Fri Mar 30 11:23:09 2018
From: ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com (Albert Barber)
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2018 17:23:09 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Fwd:  electricity and water meters
References: <24D585F4-8960-468E-BB82-4A2EF673B5CA@btinternet.com>
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> Begin forwarded message:
> 
> From: Albert Barber <ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com>
> Subject: Re: [Tech1] electricity and water meters
> Date: 30 March 2018 at 17:22:22 BST
> To: Graeme Wall <graeme.wall at icloud.com>
> Cc: Albert Barber <ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com>
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> BUYS YOU THE EAGLE 
> 
> 
>> On 30 Mar 2018, at 16:39, Graeme Wall <graeme.wall at icloud.com <mailto:graeme.wall at icloud.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> But you need one of these for the meter?
>> ? 
>> Graeme Wall
>> 
>> <BDG006.jpg>
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 30 Mar 2018, at 16:26, Albert Barber via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> If you had one of these you could have almost any chocolate bar. Affectionately known as a tanner!
>>> 
>>> <British_sixpence_1962_reverse.png>
>>> 
>>>> On 30 Mar 2018, at 15:07, Dave Buckley via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Scottish Power contacted me recently to say that their engineers were in the
>>>> area and could they make an appointment to call and fit a smart meter? NO
>>>> thanks was my answer, and please make a note on my account that I don't want
>>>> one (it isn't now compulsory to have a smart meter fitted).
>>>> 
>>>> As for a water meter, for many years owned a holiday chalet which could only
>>>> be used for eight months of the year. The water rate was worked out on
>>>> rateable value and cost about ?220 a year.
>>>> I had a water meter fitted and the cost I was paying for water was halved as
>>>> a result. Also, the chalet had a sloping flat roof and no gutters, so the
>>>> water just fell onto the ground below. This meant I could claim about
>>>> another ?10 or so a year off the water rate as the rain water didn't go into
>>>> the drainage system.
>>>> 
>>>> Dave Buckley
>>>> 
>>>> 
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From peter.fox at tiscali.co.uk  Fri Mar 30 12:35:31 2018
From: peter.fox at tiscali.co.uk (Peter Fox)
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2018 18:35:31 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Smart Meters
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	<1E76CAA17FA94841AC8024AA87A58611@PATRICKSONY>
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Mainly to Mike G: My cousin has had smart gas and electric meters fitted. Both meters had to be replaced, even though the unsmart (Dumbo?) gas meter was only a year old, fitted after a JCB trauma of the gas main next door, so shame about your cupboard. The new battery powered smart gas meter ?talks? locally to the electricity meter, by low power wireless, and the electric meter, having ?unlimited? power available is the mobile phone network communicator. She had a query about her gas reading recently from edf because she appeared not to have used any gas, and would she give them a reading? Yes. She sent me out into the garden to wrestle open the box, and scrabble on the damp ground (BBC training handy there) It said 0000000000
Was she sure? Yes. Even after pushing some coloured buttons, it still said 0000000000.   So they came and checked, unbelievers. And fitted a new, new smart meter. The first new smart meter was fitted last June. So that?s 8 months free gas. Bargain. 
The Man told me that the utilities are supposed to fit new gas meters every ten years anyway, so battery life is not reckoned to be an issue. As my own plain old dumbo gas meter is at least thirty years old I take that ten years with a pinch of salt. 
Peter F

Crippled Crapple

> On 30 Mar 2018, at 17:02, patrickheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Re: meters
> Electricity:
> EDF fitted me with a smart meter - it renders the reading via the Vodafone network,
> therefore the engineer checked the signal strength  before installation.
> The small remote display screen is quite useful, as  it can be switched between various
> readings - I find the instantaneous consumption to be mostly viewed.
> Gas:
> Not gone for that yet.
> However with Gas central heating I gather that keeping the property up to
> temperature all day is cheaper than letting it go down to almost cold and boosting later.
> As I'm retired, I'm in most of the time and I don't like being cold.
> Water:
> Definitely best if one or two occupants only.
> I made a chart for my residents in the three blocks of flats where I reside,
> going to the extent of measuring the water consumption of handbasin /
> kitchen sink / bath, for a decent wallow level! / and loo flushing.
> (Don't have a shower).
> Car washing and lawn sprinklers will modify that, and the fixed charge
> might be a better bet.
>  
> If your rain water run-off does not go into the main drainage, then there
> is a discount available - at least for Sutton & East Surrey.
> This affects the charge for sewage disposal.
>  
> If you collect rain water in butts, you could water the grass with a small
> pump? This brings electricity back into play!!
>  
> Best
> Pat
>  
>  
>  
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Bernard Newnham via Tech1
> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> Sent: Friday, March 30, 2018 10:08 AM
> Subject: [Tech1] Smart Meters
> 
> How do people feel about smart meters?  
> 
> Our new provider OVO rang a week ago and asked if we would fit them, and sounded very diffident about it, as if they are controversial.  Yesterday a man came and fitted them in about an hour, and now I never have to crawl into a cupboard with a torch again. We also have a small screen telling us how much we've used, though I knew that anyway and it won't change anything. I've always known that when the boiler goes "woom" I start using the most energy, and I'm not planning to adjust it at all.
> 
> So - why are they controversial?
> 
> B
>  
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From tonynuttall at me.com  Sat Mar 31 04:43:37 2018
From: tonynuttall at me.com (William Nuttall)
Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2018 09:43:37 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Tech1] How to have fun with the BBC Licence Fee!
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Dear all ,now the BBC has sold off most of it's assets why not have a bit of fun becoming a Comercial Broadcaster? If things go pear shape there is always the Licence fee to fall back on!

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2018/03/30/clock-ticking-chance-bbc-buy-uktv/?WT.mc_id=e_DM722160&WT.tsrc=email&etype=Edi_FAM_New_AEM_Recipient&utm_source=email&utm_medium=Edi_FAM_New_AEM_Recipient_2018_03_31&utm_campaign=DM722160

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