From bob at newmerique.com Fri Jun 1 01:48:22 2018 From: bob at newmerique.com (Bob M Auger) Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2018 07:48:22 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] BBC training In-Reply-To: References:

<9a582055-a3f3-74ff-a9bf-5dec2add8f5b@chriswoolf.co.uk> Message-ID: <9eb600f1-8b3d-f985-1801-3442490d09dc@newmerique.com> My Nagra 4S was the best investment I ever made... It cost ?649 and served me well for many years. When I reluctantly had to part with it, the price I was paid went a long way towards the deposit on my first house... -- *Bob Auger* bob at newmerique.com Skype: augerb On 31/05/2018 22:04, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: > Nearly, but not quite right, though it?s true I did have the office > Nagra booked out a fair bit more than most, usually to record organ > recitals, choirs etc., plus all the early instrumental music for an > open-air medieval pageant that Derek Gough was co-producing. I bought > my own Nagra III in ?67 because by then I needed the neopilot version. > Once I had that I never needed or asked for the Beeb one again. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From geoffletch at gmail.com Fri Jun 1 02:38:05 2018 From: geoffletch at gmail.com (Geoff Fletcher) Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2018 08:38:05 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] BBC training In-Reply-To: <9eb600f1-8b3d-f985-1801-3442490d09dc@newmerique.com> References:

<9a582055-a3f3-74ff-a9bf-5dec2add8f5b@chriswoolf.co.uk> <9eb600f1-8b3d-f985-1801-3442490d09dc@newmerique.com> Message-ID: Was that Bob?s flat at Ruvigney Mansions Nick? By the Thames? Geoff F On Fri, 1 Jun 2018 at 07:48, Bob M Auger via Tech1 wrote: > My Nagra 4S was the best investment I ever made... It cost ?649 and served > me well for many years. > > When I reluctantly had to part with it, the price I was paid went a long > way towards the deposit on my first house... > -- > *Bob Auger* > bob at newmerique.com > Skype: augerb > > > On 31/05/2018 22:04, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: > > Nearly, but not quite right, though it?s true I did have the office Nagra > booked out a fair bit more than most, usually to record organ recitals, > choirs etc., plus all the early instrumental music for an open-air medieval > pageant that Derek Gough was co-producing. I bought my own Nagra III in ?67 > because by then I needed the neopilot version. Once I had that I never > needed or asked for the Beeb one again. > > > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com Fri Jun 1 03:17:39 2018 From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray) Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2018 09:17:39 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] BBC training In-Reply-To: <5700d9711edave@davesound.co.uk> References:

<9a582055-a3f3-74ff-a9bf-5dec2add8f5b@chriswoolf.co.uk> <5700d9711edave@davesound.co.uk> Message-ID: Hi all, Following on from Dave's comments > There is likely to be at least some lighting compromise to allow this. Firstly, here are a set of photographs of an Experiment in Portrait Lighting taken from BBC Engineering Training Supplement No. 7? - Basic Principles of Television Lighting - by H.O. Simpson and R. de B. McCullough - and written in 1952 (!!), The whole booklet is 44 pages long, so might be a while before I scan all of it! Apologies if the pictures are moir?d - scanning density versus half-tone screening - hope it doesn't spoil the impression for you! At Evesham, when we had to do the portrait lighting exercise, I wrote a critique of the portrait we made, going to town over the shadow thrown by the nose. The assignment came back with the laconic comment "...Typical television nose shadow..." -- Also attached is another one of my store of reprints, this one in connection with Vision Control.? The Institution of Electrical Engineers, "OPERATIONAL CONTROL OF TELEVISION STUDIO PICTURE QUALITY"? Paper No. 3976 E?? June 1963.? In it, the authors write: "...As the final run-through or transmission approaches, the operator will have become conversant with the run of the production, and vision control adjustments will have been reduced to a minimum..." So that's why, at the end of a program with six cameras, 2 TK channels and VT, I used to end up drenched with sweat!! I've linked 1 file to this email: Operational_control_picture_quality.pdf (13.4 MB)Box https://app.box.com/s/vydutyt8e0r6wiomvv1967hqigxpeln0 Mozilla Thunderbird makes it easy to share large files over email. I hope that Box is working for you: the benefit is, that those who don't want to download the article don't have their inboxes crammed with stuff.? Hope it is OK. -- Best Regards Alec Alec Bray alec.bray.2 at gmail.com mob: 07789 561 346 home: 0118 942 9543 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: jfiopoggkfekfeol.png Type: image/png Size: 238000 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: mlbcilkdjmgalidf.png Type: image/png Size: 238568 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: nmegnaelkmniphbl.png Type: image/png Size: 209527 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: nnmhcoafepnilkfl.png Type: image/png Size: 263623 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: lejleechpdbhkebj.png Type: image/png Size: 245975 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: ppblekfklncneofd.png Type: image/png Size: 201469 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: ldmgdeocokpgfoif.png Type: image/png Size: 398 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: box-logo.png Type: image/png Size: 766 bytes Desc: not available URL: From waresound at msn.com Fri Jun 1 03:33:10 2018 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2018 08:33:10 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] BBC training In-Reply-To: References:

<9a582055-a3f3-74ff-a9bf-5dec2add8f5b@chriswoolf.co.uk> <9eb600f1-8b3d-f985-1801-3442490d09dc@newmerique.com>, Message-ID: Correct. Right river, wrong bridge! Nick. Sent from my iPad On 1 Jun 2018, at 08:38, Geoff Fletcher via Tech1 > wrote: Was that Bob?s flat at Ruvigney Mansions Nick? By the Thames? Geoff F On Fri, 1 Jun 2018 at 07:48, Bob M Auger via Tech1 > wrote: My Nagra 4S was the best investment I ever made... It cost ?649 and served me well for many years. When I reluctantly had to part with it, the price I was paid went a long way towards the deposit on my first house... -- Bob Auger bob at newmerique.com Skype: augerb On 31/05/2018 22:04, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: Nearly, but not quite right, though it?s true I did have the office Nagra booked out a fair bit more than most, usually to record organ recitals, choirs etc., plus all the early instrumental music for an open-air medieval pageant that Derek Gough was co-producing. I bought my own Nagra III in ?67 because by then I needed the neopilot version. Once I had that I never needed or asked for the Beeb one again. -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From relong at btinternet.com Fri Jun 1 04:11:08 2018 From: relong at btinternet.com (Roger E Long) Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2018 10:11:08 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] BBC training In-Reply-To: <9eb600f1-8b3d-f985-1801-3442490d09dc@newmerique.com> References:

<9a582055-a3f3-74ff-a9bf-5dec2add8f5b@chriswoolf.co.uk> <9eb600f1-8b3d-f985-1801-3442490d09dc@newmerique.com> Message-ID: <2521FE7E-B4B8-40BD-BEFE-BF7010513BDE@btinternet.com> Richmond Film Services owes it conception from one fire damaged Nagra! Nigel was doing a film about loss adjusters in the city An insurance gent saw Nigels BBC nagra and showed him a fire damaged one which Nige immediately bought and refurbished This he started to hire to TFS and from its proceeds more were purchased until he was the biggest hirer in Europe and had to leave TFS Chris thought BBC Engineering dragged its feet over acquisition of foreign kit ,preferring home grown This did not apply to microphones STC did sterling work in the 40?s 50s,and early 60s, but then the Germans came with avengance Tech Ops went down the AKG route, whilst TFS chose Sennheiser, a very pragmatic choice imho Ealings choice of Arri,and Eclair was v sensible Most thought the Ikegami better than the Sony solution when video reared its head, but by that time TFS was a Birt victim He was a engineer too we must remember, but a wrong un. Roger > On 1 Jun 2018, at 07:48, Bob M Auger via Tech1 wrote: > > My Nagra 4S was the best investment I ever made... It cost ?649 and served me well for many years. > When I reluctantly had to part with it, the price I was paid went a long way towards the deposit on my first house... > -- > Bob Auger > bob at newmerique.com > Skype: augerb > > On 31/05/2018 22:04, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: >> Nearly, but not quite right, though it?s true I did have the office Nagra booked out a fair bit more than most, usually to record organ recitals, choirs etc., plus all the early instrumental music for an open-air medieval pageant that Derek Gough was co-producing. I bought my own Nagra III in ?67 because by then I needed the neopilot version. Once I had that I never needed or asked for the Beeb one again. > > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave at davesound.co.uk Fri Jun 1 04:16:37 2018 From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman) Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2018 10:16:37 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] BBC training In-Reply-To: <49e4342f-d0b5-461c-5cf0-ce94b9d19b78@gmail.com> References:

<9a582055-a3f3-74ff-a9bf-5dec2add8f5b@chriswoolf.co.uk> <5700d9711edave@davesound.co.uk> <49e4342f-d0b5-461c-5cf0-ce94b9d19b78@gmail.com> Message-ID: <57014341efdave@davesound.co.uk> In article <49e4342f-d0b5-461c-5cf0-ce94b9d19b78 at gmail.com>, Alec Bray via Tech1 wrote: > On 31/05/2018 15:00, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: > > Say you insist on shooting several different angles at the same time. > > There is likely to be at least some lighting compromise to allow this. > Isn't that what we did with theatrical-style multi-camera as-live > drama? aka Z-Cars, Dixon etc etc. > In those days, lighting was straightforward: key-light, backlight, > filler. I've been to a couple of light entertainment recordings > recently, and the lighting seems to be all filler: I looked around for a > key-light and apart from a follow-spot on "Dancing on Ice" couldn't see > one. But there again, cameras nowadays work in much lower lighting > levels than way back when. And the transmission chain is different, too. > When I was seconded to Vision Control, one of the aims we had was to > keep a fair amount of variation in the signal level per line and per > frame, so that the poor TV sets at home could cope (Black level clamp? > wassat?) . Nowadays, there are quite a few programs where the picture > is (in old money) sat well down in the dark, very little variation in > "signal" amplitude across the screen, so that the picture looks dark - > to set a mood. Point I was trying to make is a TV studio is designed for multi-camera shooting. With a grid making it more easy to position lights. Not the same on location, where most dramas are made these days. -- *You! Off my planet! Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From geoffletch at gmail.com Fri Jun 1 05:21:59 2018 From: geoffletch at gmail.com (Geoff Fletcher) Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2018 11:21:59 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] BBC training In-Reply-To: <57014341efdave@davesound.co.uk> References:

<9a582055-a3f3-74ff-a9bf-5dec2add8f5b@chriswoolf.co.uk> <5700d9711edave@davesound.co.uk> <49e4342f-d0b5-461c-5cf0-ce94b9d19b78@gmail.com> <57014341efdave@davesound.co.uk> Message-ID: Here you are Nick - Bob in his Putney flat with Thames and bridge in OOF background. Geoff F On Fri, Jun 1, 2018 at 10:16 AM, Dave Plowman via Tech1 < tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote: > In article <49e4342f-d0b5-461c-5cf0-ce94b9d19b78 at gmail.com>, > Alec Bray via Tech1 wrote: > > > On 31/05/2018 15:00, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: > > > Say you insist on shooting several different angles at the same time. > > > There is likely to be at least some lighting compromise to allow this. > > Isn't that what we did with theatrical-style multi-camera as-live > > drama? aka Z-Cars, Dixon etc etc. > > > In those days, lighting was straightforward: key-light, backlight, > > filler. I've been to a couple of light entertainment recordings > > recently, and the lighting seems to be all filler: I looked around for a > > key-light and apart from a follow-spot on "Dancing on Ice" couldn't see > > one. But there again, cameras nowadays work in much lower lighting > > levels than way back when. And the transmission chain is different, too. > > When I was seconded to Vision Control, one of the aims we had was to > > keep a fair amount of variation in the signal level per line and per > > frame, so that the poor TV sets at home could cope (Black level clamp? > > wassat?) . Nowadays, there are quite a few programs where the picture > > is (in old money) sat well down in the dark, very little variation in > > "signal" amplitude across the screen, so that the picture looks dark - > > to set a mood. > > Point I was trying to make is a TV studio is designed for multi-camera > shooting. With a grid making it more easy to position lights. Not the > same on location, where most dramas are made these days. > > -- > *You! Off my planet! > > Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 650418 A20:16M Bob Foley, Putney Flat.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 247154 bytes Desc: not available URL: From mikej at bmanor.co.uk Fri Jun 1 05:27:39 2018 From: mikej at bmanor.co.uk (Mike Jordan) Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2018 11:27:39 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Even The Evening Standard supports BBC! Message-ID: <1DB810B26BBC4CA3B8499E15F314CFD2@Gigabyte> Just first part of this! Although later down page, they report that Nick Robinson on Today mispronounced ALUMINIUM as ALOOMINUM but later apologised! Mike https://www.standard.co.uk/news/londoners-diary/last-rites-at-the-proms-fans-fear-after-production-change-a3853116.html -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From billjenkin67 at gmail.com Fri Jun 1 06:04:28 2018 From: billjenkin67 at gmail.com (Bill Jenkin) Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2018 12:04:28 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Even The Evening Standard supports BBC! In-Reply-To: <1DB810B26BBC4CA3B8499E15F314CFD2@Gigabyte> References: <1DB810B26BBC4CA3B8499E15F314CFD2@Gigabyte> Message-ID: <002d01d3f998$4fbfee40$ef3fcac0$@gmail.com> This applies to ALL programmes currently made by BBC Studios (by which I mean the production arm of the BBC). It was part of the deal which allowed BBC Studios to compete as an independent producer for any work outside the BBC. The quid pro quo is that independent producers can compete for all BBC programmes. The exceptions are News, Sport and probably Children's programmes. BJ From: Tech1 [mailto:tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk] On Behalf Of Mike Jordan via Tech1 Sent: 01 June 2018 11:28 To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat Subject: [Tech1] Even The Evening Standard supports BBC! Just first part of this! Although later down page, they report that Nick Robinson on Today mispronounced ALUMINIUM as ALOOMINUM but later apologised! Mike https://www.standard.co.uk/news/londoners-diary/last-rites-at-the-proms-fans -fear-after-production-change-a3853116.html -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From patheigham at amps.net Fri Jun 1 07:11:13 2018 From: patheigham at amps.net (patrickheigham) Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2018 13:11:13 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] BBC training In-Reply-To: <9eb600f1-8b3d-f985-1801-3442490d09dc@newmerique.com> References:

<9a582055-a3f3-74ff-a9bf-5dec2add8f5b@chriswoolf.co.uk> <9eb600f1-8b3d-f985-1801-3442490d09dc@newmerique.com> Message-ID: I'm amazed at the ?649 price! Was it the stereo IV-S? When I went freelance and started to build my kit, I went both times to collect from the factory, a IV-S, then the I-S. Both rather more than your quoted price. Still have the IV-S and added the 10.5" spool adaptor, a fearsome gadget which snatches the tape if you are not careful! Both trips to Switzerland were a lovely couple of days out! Please find attached a few stories about "Fiddler on the Roof" - particularly the one involving 2-track Nagra! Best Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob M Auger via Tech1 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Sent: Friday, June 01, 2018 7:48 AM Subject: Re: [Tech1] BBC training My Nagra 4S was the best investment I ever made... It cost ?649 and served me well for many years. When I reluctantly had to part with it, the price I was paid went a long way towards the deposit on my first house... -- Bob Auger bob at newmerique.com --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Working on Fiddler on the Roof_docx.pdf Type: application/pdf Size: 20792 bytes Desc: not available URL: From patheigham at amps.net Fri Jun 1 07:50:12 2018 From: patheigham at amps.net (patrickheigham) Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2018 13:50:12 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] BBC training In-Reply-To: References:

<9a582055-a3f3-74ff-a9bf-5dec2add8f5b@chriswoolf.co.uk><5700d9711edave@davesound.co.uk> Message-ID: Remembering the portrait exercise, my partner for this was a dark-skinned chap, (actually the Head of Broadcasting in Nigeria, who were about to enter the world of TV, so he had been sent to the BBC to learn about it). This completely wrecked the usual contrast ratios of lighting a face, so I had to flannel about the difficulty of photographing a non-white subject. Maybe the powers-that-be learned something from my crit. I practiced my lesson in portait lighting by enticing girlfriends to sit for me. Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: Alec Bray via Tech1 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Sent: Friday, June 01, 2018 9:17 AM Subject: Re: [Tech1] BBC training Hi all, At Evesham, when we had to do the portrait lighting exercise, I wrote a critique of the portrait we made, going to town over the shadow thrown by the nose. The assignment came back with the laconic comment "...Typical television nose shadow..." Best Regards Alec --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From waresound at msn.com Fri Jun 1 09:57:53 2018 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2018 14:57:53 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] BBC training In-Reply-To: References:

<9a582055-a3f3-74ff-a9bf-5dec2add8f5b@chriswoolf.co.uk> <5700d9711edave@davesound.co.uk> <49e4342f-d0b5-461c-5cf0-ce94b9d19b78@gmail.com> <57014341efdave@davesound.co.uk>, Message-ID: That?s Bob alright. I could write a book about our adventures together! Must give him a call. Ashamedly I rarely see him these days, and he only lives six miles or so away from me. And besides, I think I long-term lent him my 35mm film scanner a few months ago, not that I need it back yet. Cheers, Nick. Sent from my iPad On 1 Jun 2018, at 11:22, Geoff Fletcher via Tech1 > wrote: Here you are Nick - Bob in his Putney flat with Thames and bridge in OOF background. Geoff F On Fri, Jun 1, 2018 at 10:16 AM, Dave Plowman via Tech1 > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk <650418 A20:16M Bob Foley, Putney Flat.jpg> -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bob at newmerique.com Fri Jun 1 15:04:58 2018 From: bob at newmerique.com (Bob M Auger) Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2018 21:04:58 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] BBC training In-Reply-To: References:

<9a582055-a3f3-74ff-a9bf-5dec2add8f5b@chriswoolf.co.uk> <9eb600f1-8b3d-f985-1801-3442490d09dc@newmerique.com> Message-ID: <738b2a7c-c739-d9a9-83ea-d3c77defe030@newmerique.com> Hi Pat Sure was the IV-S. I was in Manchester and the time and it was used for a series of Brass Band LPs in and around Lancashire and Yorkshire. Also for albums for the "Lancashire Cinema Organ Trust" (I think they called themselves that.) The figure sticks in my mind. I remember that the eventual buyer bit my hand off at a much larger figure, but I can't remember how much he paid me for it, other than it formed a substantial part of the deposit on my first house... On 01/06/2018 13:11, patrickheigham wrote: > I'm amazed at the ?649 price! > Was it the stereo IV-S? -- *Bob Auger* bob at newmerique.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Waresound at msn.com Sat Jun 2 06:15:20 2018 From: Waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2018 11:15:20 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] BBC training In-Reply-To: References:

<9a582055-a3f3-74ff-a9bf-5dec2add8f5b@chriswoolf.co.uk> <9eb600f1-8b3d-f985-1801-3442490d09dc@newmerique.com> <738b2a7c-c739-d9a9-83ea-d3c77defe030@newmerique.com>, Message-ID: Hi Tony, I recognise you OK. That?s how I still ?see? you when I see your name mentioned! Ashamed to say I can?t spot John in the piccy though. Can you give me a clue? It would certainly be the same John Barker, as I know he went to transmitters etc. He lived in Dorking, and I had known him for at least three years before joining the BBC. Are you on this forum, ?Woofer?? By the time I went on an STO course I had a 948cc Morris Minor of my own that could just about manage Fish Hill, so was able to ferry others home at weekends. Unfortunately it broke down during one home trip, but the local Morris garage (Puttocks) loaned me a Morris 1100 to get back to Evesham. The next Friday mass exodus I put the key in the ignition and drove it home. When I returned it to Puttocks and to collect my mended one they said ?That?s not our car!?. Apparently the keys had fitted another 1100 in the Wood Norton car park belonging to someone else! All was well though, because the rightful owner?s keys had fitted my loan car and got them home and back OK. Later in the week I found them both parked next to each other, but I never discovered who?s car I had ?stolen?. Despite the snotty first reactions in my letter, all three Evesham courses I attended were some of my happiest times and most treasured memories. I used my hand-written Evesham lecture notes for about ten years thereafter as the basis for my sound lectures to students on the Guildford School of Art, Film & TV course. Another Bob Foley connection, by the way. What goes around, comes around! Cheers, Nick. Sent from my iPad On 2 Jun 2018, at 00:16, Tony Crake > wrote: Is this the John Barker you refer to in your great letter ???? We were all "transmitter persons" I am on the back row in the middle ! Rather poor quality it is a copy of a copy !! Tony Crake -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From waresound at msn.com Sat Jun 2 06:57:27 2018 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2018 11:57:27 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] BBC training In-Reply-To: <738b2a7c-c739-d9a9-83ea-d3c77defe030@newmerique.com> References:

<9a582055-a3f3-74ff-a9bf-5dec2add8f5b@chriswoolf.co.uk> <9eb600f1-8b3d-f985-1801-3442490d09dc@newmerique.com> , <738b2a7c-c739-d9a9-83ea-d3c77defe030@newmerique.com> Message-ID: My Nagra IV-s earned its cost back many times over, and eventually sold for just a bit more than it cost me new. I sold it just in the nick of time, before most people knew the Sony PCM2000 timecode capable DAT was about to arrive on the scene (1986). I still have the PCM2000 and it still works fine. Used Nagra prices plummeted after that. Like you, Pat, I collected mine from Kudelski and was given an extraordinary welcome and hospitality by Stefan himself, and Ray Trost. On the same trip I bought three Nagra IS machines, one for Chris Moore, one for Kevin Sutton and one for me. Kudelski gave me a buy two, get one free on the IS-es, so mine was free and also paid for itself many times over on ?Music in Time? alone. On that deal, the C10 Customs form got quite complicated because payment had been made in advance by Banker?s draft, and explaining the free one got tricky. Lovely machines, I just wish I could have justified keeping them. By way of consolation, my Nagra SNN has a permanent place on my desk as an ornament, paperweight etc. Cheers, Nick. [image1.jpeg] Sent from my iPad On 1 Jun 2018, at 21:05, Bob M Auger via Tech1 > wrote: Hi Pat Sure was the IV-S. I was in Manchester and the time and it was used for a series of Brass Band LPs in and around Lancashire and Yorkshire. Also for albums for the "Lancashire Cinema Organ Trust" (I think they called themselves that.) The figure sticks in my mind. I remember that the eventual buyer bit my hand off at a much larger figure, but I can't remember how much he paid me for it, other than it formed a substantial part of the deposit on my first house... On 01/06/2018 13:11, patrickheigham wrote: I'm amazed at the ?649 price! Was it the stereo IV-S? -- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image1.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 2242288 bytes Desc: image1.jpeg URL: From johnhcox at gmail.com Sat Jun 2 12:32:01 2018 From: johnhcox at gmail.com (John Cox) Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2018 18:32:01 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] BBC training Message-ID: <5b12d47f.1c69fb81.4ee47.b90b@mx.google.com> Referring to Nick Ware?s article from the 31st of May quote ?that no one outside the Beeb could possibly know anything about TV in those days?. It WAS so ten years before. Len Mathews started to recruit staff for the new commercial stations in 1953/4 from offices at the lower end of the Aldwych near the Strand in London. The salary offered was DOUBLE that anyone in the BBC earned. The only people who knew anything about TV WAS in the BBC. A lot of engineers were attracted to the offer. It was quite interesting to be working at a Cup Final with someone on the commercial side whom you had been working with in the BBC a few weeks before, nevertheless we were very friendly and the engineers would offer our facilities to them. The production people did not like this and we became less friendly. The leaving of so many persons from the BBC became so great that the corporation issued contracts to senior engineers C plus and above for them to stay. Doctor Sturley at Wood Norton was very disturbed because students were joining the BBC just for the training and leaving to go to commercial as soon as they had passed. In those days 1954/6 was really great. On Outside Broadcasts we were feted and welcomed everywhere we went. Within a month of leaving the R A F I was back at Odiham RAF station (just to test a Radio Link) where an officer was appointed to look after me and pay for my meals and I was chatting to the Group Captain as if I had know him for years. But it didn?t last. With the coming of rivals a lot of other companies started up, Race Course Finishing and many such like. When promotors realized this I noticed that we were gradually being pushed from our prime positions to less salubrious places. We were NOT welcomed as in previous times. After many years mostly happy with the BBC I took early retirement and would keep quiet about my employment until I came back to Devon where I was asked to give a talk about the BBC and now I am proud to have worked for them. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com Sun Jun 3 03:48:40 2018 From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray) Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2018 09:48:40 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Fact trumps fiction Message-ID: <47ebaa54-c547-f78b-aa7f-21f72710e3f7@gmail.com> The higher up the mountain, The greener grows the grass ... 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According to BBC Genome, it was broadcast on 5th March 1984, on BBC 2. (and probably repeated a lot, as was the way with schools' programmes.)? Its says - "9.10 A Good Job with Prospects,?Technical Jobs?in TelevisionWorking with a?camera, in television sound, or as a?videotape editor needs reasonable skill with?science and maths - and artistic sensitivity. Producer Ronald Smedley"? (What do they mean 'REASONABLE'? Huh!) So - Does anyone know if this still exists?Does anyone have a copy? (Unlikely, I know. VHS had been invented by then, but home recording was still quite rare.) luv, Rog. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The chap who took over the Resource Centre from me bought VHS recorders as soon as they were available: no question that they were easier to use in a class situation! So we had VHS for a full year before it appeared in shops. SO, you MAY be lucky!!?? It may be in a school archive!! -- Best Regards Alec Alec Bray alec.bray.2 at gmail.com mob: 07789 561 346 home: 0118 942 9543 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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That was the first home recording cassette system I saw. -- *Too many clicks spoil the browse * Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From patheigham at amps.net Mon Jun 4 05:22:08 2018 From: patheigham at amps.net (patrickheigham) Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2018 11:22:08 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] A Good Job with Prospects In-Reply-To: <5702d050d5dave@davesound.co.uk> References: <2133547966.5746436.1528100452700.ref@mail.yahoo.com><2133547966.5746436.1528100452700@mail.yahoo.com> <5702d050d5dave@davesound.co.uk> Message-ID: <521102D952EA415FA51320DE1CC6E9CE@PATRICKSONY> Yes, The square Philips ones had concentric cores, one above the other. Then I believe there was a cassette that could be turned over, IIRC. (Video 2000 - Philips & Grundig) Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Plowman via Tech1" To: Sent: Monday, June 04, 2018 10:33 AM Subject: Re: [Tech1] A Good Job with Prospects > In article , > Alec Bray via Tech1 wrote: >> On 04/06/2018 09:20, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 wrote: >> > VHS had been invented by then, but home recording was still quite rare. > >> VHS was used in Schools and Colleges for a full year before it went >> "public" for home use - so a lot of people had had experience with VHS >> "at work" so to speak. > > The Philips 'N' system had been around for a while before VHS (or rather > in Europe) - remember those large square cassettes? > > That was the first home recording cassette system I saw. > > -- > *Too many clicks spoil the browse * > > Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Mon Jun 4 05:55:39 2018 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2018 11:55:39 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] A Good Job with Prospects In-Reply-To: <521102D952EA415FA51320DE1CC6E9CE@PATRICKSONY> References: <2133547966.5746436.1528100452700.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <2133547966.5746436.1528100452700@mail.yahoo.com> <5702d050d5dave@davesound.co.uk> <521102D952EA415FA51320DE1CC6E9CE@PATRICKSONY> Message-ID: <141c69ed-e28d-4317-6ecb-694192bb5fbe@btinternet.com> Grundig had their own system before joining forces with Philips, I seem to remember that John Nottage had one. It was reputedly the highest quality system of all the domestic ones available at the time but they couldn't compete with the Japanese giants like JVC (VHS) and Sony (Beta). Cheers, Dave On 04/06/2018 11:22, patrickheigham via Tech1 wrote: > Yes, The square Philips ones had concentric cores, one above the other. > Then I believe there was a cassette that could be turned over, IIRC. > (Video 2000 - Philips & Grundig) > Pat > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Plowman via Tech1" > > To: > Sent: Monday, June 04, 2018 10:33 AM > Subject: Re: [Tech1] A Good Job with Prospects > > >> In article , >> ? Alec Bray via Tech1 wrote: >>> On 04/06/2018 09:20, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 wrote: >>> > VHS had been invented by then, but home recording was still quite >>> rare. >> >>> VHS was used in Schools and Colleges for a full year before it went >>> "public" for home use - so a lot of people had had experience with VHS >>> "at work" so to speak. >> >> The Philips 'N' system had been around for a while before VHS (or rather >> in Europe)? - remember those large square cassettes? >> >> That was the first home recording cassette system I saw. >> >> -- >> *Too many clicks spoil the browse * >> >> ?? Dave Plowman???? dave at davesound.co.uk???? London SW 12 > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > From waresound at msn.com Mon Jun 4 06:29:17 2018 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2018 11:29:17 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] A Good Job with Prospects In-Reply-To: <2133547966.5746436.1528100452700@mail.yahoo.com> References: <2133547966.5746436.1528100452700.ref@mail.yahoo.com>, <2133547966.5746436.1528100452700@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: What do they mean by ?REASONABLE?? I don?t know whether you saw the programme a few nights ago about the Rolls Royce Trent jet engine? It covered the design and development, manufacture, and then how they monitor the condition of every single one continuously wherever it is in the World whilst airborne. That programme certainly convinced me that whatever skill I might have is nothing more than ?reasonable? compared to them! Cheers, Nick. Sent from my iPad On 4 Jun 2018, at 09:21, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 > wrote: Hi All, Can I pick everyone's brains? If any are still functioning? In my old age I've been trying to make a small collection of old TV Programmes which feature 'behind the scenes' views of people working in TV, particularly at TV Centre. Long, long ago, I remember seeing a Schools' Programme called "A Good Job with Prospects", which covered technical jobs in Television, and featured our own Geoff Feld. According to BBC Genome, it was broadcast on 5th March 1984, on BBC 2. (and probably repeated a lot, as was the way with schools' programmes.) Its says - "9.10 A Good Job with Prospects, Technical Jobs in Television Working with a camera, in television sound, or as a videotape editor needs reasonable skill with science and maths - and artistic sensitivity. Producer Ronald Smedley" (What do they mean 'REASONABLE'? Huh!) 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Sorry, that should read 47.2% * Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From robin.sutherland at ukgateway.net Mon Jun 4 07:51:30 2018 From: robin.sutherland at ukgateway.net (Robin Sutherland) Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2018 13:51:30 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] A Good Job with Prospects In-Reply-To: <2133547966.5746436.1528100452700@mail.yahoo.com> References: <2133547966.5746436.1528100452700.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <2133547966.5746436.1528100452700@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Rog I'm still in occasional contact with Ron Smedley. He lives just round the corner from me in Hampton. He's well into his 80s now and I haven't seen him for some time but have forwarded your email to him and will let you know if I get a response. I worked with him for a long time when we did Grange Hill from Studio B in the late 80s -90s at Elstree as a drive in OB. He was the exec producer. Cheers Robin S On 4 Jun 2018, at 09:20, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 wrote: > Hi All, > > Can I pick everyone's brains? If any are still functioning? > > In my old age I've been trying to make a small collection of old TV Programmes which feature 'behind the scenes' views of people working in TV, particularly at TV Centre. Long, long ago, I remember seeing a Schools' Programme called "A Good Job with Prospects", which covered technical jobs in Television, and featured our own Geoff Feld. According to BBC Genome, it was broadcast on 5th March 1984, on BBC 2. (and probably repeated a lot, as was the way with schools' programmes.) > > Its says - "9.10 A Good Job with Prospects, Technical Jobs in Television > Working with a camera, in television sound, or as a videotape editor needs reasonable skill with science and maths - and artistic sensitivity. Producer Ronald Smedley" > > (What do they mean 'REASONABLE'? Huh!) > > So - > > Does anyone know if this still exists? > Does anyone have a copy? (Unlikely, I know. VHS had been invented by then, but home recording was still quite rare.) > > luv, Rog. > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jpn at imixmics.co.uk Mon Jun 4 08:15:09 2018 From: jpn at imixmics.co.uk (John Nottage) Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2018 14:15:09 +0100 (BST) Subject: [Tech1] A Good Job with Prospects In-Reply-To: <141c69ed-e28d-4317-6ecb-694192bb5fbe@btinternet.com> References: <2133547966.5746436.1528100452700.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <2133547966.5746436.1528100452700@mail.yahoo.com> <5702d050d5dave@davesound.co.uk> <521102D952EA415FA51320DE1CC6E9CE@PATRICKSONY> <141c69ed-e28d-4317-6ecb-694192bb5fbe@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <1685409189.188669.1528118109354@email.1and1.co.uk> Dead right Dave, I had 2 Grundig Videos - the first one had some tech problem & I complained to Grundig & they swapped it. It would record for 4 hours, but was very fussy about the tapes which were prone to creasing - the tape was so thin! I'd bought that to replace the original Philips version which only did 2 hours per tape. I can't remember when I bought those machines, but I finally replaced the Grundig with a JVC VHS in December 1987, which I still have, living under a chair in the dining room, just in case I want to watch a VHS tape! I'm now on my second Panasonic hard disc/DVD recorder, both of which contain hours of TV, recorded, but not yet watched. Perhaps I might catch up one day... John > On 04 June 2018 at 11:55 "dave.mdv via Tech1" wrote: > > > Grundig had their own system before joining forces with Philips, I seem > to remember that John Nottage had one. It was reputedly the highest > quality system of all the domestic ones available at the time but they > couldn't compete with the Japanese giants like JVC (VHS) and Sony > (Beta). Cheers, Dave > > > On 04/06/2018 11:22, patrickheigham via Tech1 wrote: > > Yes, The square Philips ones had concentric cores, one above the other. > > Then I believe there was a cassette that could be turned over, IIRC. > > (Video 2000 - Philips & Grundig) > > Pat > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Plowman via Tech1" > > > > To: > > Sent: Monday, June 04, 2018 10:33 AM > > Subject: Re: [Tech1] A Good Job with Prospects > > > > > >> In article , > >> ? Alec Bray via Tech1 wrote: > >>> On 04/06/2018 09:20, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 wrote: > >>> > VHS had been invented by then, but home recording was still quite > >>> rare. > >> > >>> VHS was used in Schools and Colleges for a full year before it went > >>> "public" for home use - so a lot of people had had experience with VHS > >>> "at work" so to speak. > >> > >> The Philips 'N' system had been around for a while before VHS (or rather > >> in Europe)? - remember those large square cassettes? > >> > >> That was the first home recording cassette system I saw. > >> > >> -- > >> *Too many clicks spoil the browse * > >> > >> ?? Dave Plowman???? dave at davesound.co.uk???? London SW 12 > > > > > > --- > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > > > > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From jpn at imixmics.co.uk Mon Jun 4 08:37:31 2018 From: jpn at imixmics.co.uk (John Nottage) Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2018 14:37:31 +0100 (BST) Subject: [Tech1] Digital Retune Message-ID: <1654240278.190207.1528119451273@email.1and1.co.uk> My local transmitter, Tacolneston, has it's major retune on 6th June. When I checked the Digital UK Coverage checker back in April, the predictions for after the event were ok - reception not quite so good, but still green. When I looked again the other day, the predicted reception & got much worse - nearly all amber (variable reception). I banged off an email to ask why the prediction was now so much worse, only a month or so from the "good" prediction. The answer is below: Dear Mr. Nottage, Thank you for your email dated 31 May regarding the Freeview retune event. However, the information on our postcode checker is predictive so it is possible you may still be able to receive the channels after the event takes place. The prediction is a worst case scenario but you will not know until afterwards what channels you will be able to receive. Kind Regards, Linda Not reassuring! "you may still be able to receive the channels after the event". "you will not know until afterwards what channels you will be able to receive." At the moment, I have good reception on most channels, just avoiding the lesser HD channels. I really don't want to have to scrap all my current hardware to move to FreeSat. I'd write to my MP to complain if she wasn't so useless! Anyone got any thoughts on the problem? John From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Mon Jun 4 13:34:14 2018 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2018 19:34:14 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] WN courses Message-ID: Here's a different thread. I have recently been re-united (by e-mail) with my room-mate from TO11 in 1961 and he has now joined us on this great forum, Trevor Vaisey, welcome! It turns out that Trevor attended WN again for STO19 whereas I was there on STO20. I was wondering how many chaps on your TO courses turned up again on your STO courses? Cheers, Dave. From tonycrake at gmail.com Mon Jun 4 17:38:17 2018 From: tonycrake at gmail.com (Tony Crake) Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2018 23:38:17 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] WN courses In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Not quite what you are looking for .... but in April/May 1971 I found myself at WN on STO ? I also found myself in the canteen bumping into "HF Retraining Course No 2" with a fair sprinkling of engineers from Skelton ( my abode before transferring to TV Centre in 1966 ) !!! A lot of "what are *you* doing here ??? " On 4 June 2018 at 19:34, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: > Here's a different thread. I have recently been re-united (by e-mail) with > my room-mate from TO11 in 1961 and he has now joined us on this great > forum, Trevor Vaisey, welcome! It turns out that Trevor attended WN again > for STO19 whereas I was there on STO20. I was wondering how many chaps on > your TO courses turned up again on your STO courses? Cheers, Dave. > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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One good thing is the new facilities will be easy enough to get to - very good transport links. -- *(on a baby-size shirt) "Party -- my crib -- two a.m Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From graeme.wall at icloud.com Tue Jun 5 07:02:54 2018 From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall) Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2018 13:02:54 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Video recorders In-Reply-To: <4CF95E3367914AB9B2994C74C4D374ED@PATRICKSONY> References: <4CF95E3367914AB9B2994C74C4D374ED@PATRICKSONY> Message-ID: <8D3E9C81-4096-4E61-AD14-46BEF1BC4E58@icloud.com> Wasn?t that the format used for the BBC Doomsday book project? ? Graeme Wall > On 5 Jun 2018, at 12:57, patrickheigham via Tech1 wrote: > > Possibly Laserdisc, the forerunner to DVD, except one could not record to it, > being for commercial film release. > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LaserDisc > > A colleague collected quite a few, until BluRay came along. > > Pat >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: John Hays via Tech1 >> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2018 12:14 PM >> Subject: [Tech1] Video recorders >> >> Before old age wipes the memory completely, I was reminded by all this talk of vhs etc of a demonstration of a Philips Visio disc that Peter Ware and I attended.Its all getting a little vague now, but a canal and barge were involved.The disc was about twelve ins. in diameter and the quality was excellent.Someone may remember more. >> Best wishes to all. John Hays > > > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From waresound at msn.com Tue Jun 5 07:06:36 2018 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2018 12:06:36 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Video recorders In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi John, Google ?Philips LaserDisc?. It?s all there in Wikipedia amongst other places. Between 1980 and 1983 I worked on a 17 episode history of classical music series, shot on 16mm with stereo sound, called Music in Time, presented by James Galway. It was mainly funded by Philips. Polyglot I used to call them, because Philips, Polygram, Polydor, Polytel, etc., all came under the same umbrella. It aired in this country on Channel Four. The series of 60 minute programmes, plus a number of concerts that we filmed in Russia, The Smithsonian Institute and Los Angeles, amongst many others places, were supposed to be issued as permanent reference works for music students, musicologists, etc. LaserDisc was allegedly going to be future proof! As far as I know, the only copies that exist now are the off-air copies that I have here, originally on Betamax, then copied to VHS, and finally to DVD, so quality not great. LaserDisc was a play-only format, so had no domestic appeal once record-capable tape devices came along. Nowadays, with progs such as ?Icecream Screen Recorder? you can do it all off the internet with no hardware at all other than your computer. Cheers, Nick. Sent from my iPad On 5 Jun 2018, at 12:15, John Hays via Tech1 > wrote: Before old age wipes the memory completely, I was reminded by all this talk of vhs etc of a demonstration of a Philips Visio disc that Peter Ware and I attended.Its all getting a little vague now, but a canal and barge were involved.The disc was about twelve ins. in diameter and the quality was excellent.Someone may remember more. Best wishes to all. John Hays. -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From robin.sutherland at ukgateway.net Tue Jun 5 07:07:05 2018 From: robin.sutherland at ukgateway.net (Robin Sutherland) Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2018 13:07:05 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Digital Retune In-Reply-To: <1654240278.190207.1528119451273@email.1and1.co.uk> References: <1654240278.190207.1528119451273@email.1and1.co.uk> Message-ID: <781E84A5-F342-46F9-B399-17EF19EFDBD3@ukgateway.net> Hi John We had a similar Freeview major retune back in March for the Crystal Palace transmitter. I wasn't worried as the signal has always been good as we live pretty close and I had an ancient rooftop aerial which still seemed to pull in the full Freeview range of channels well, even after we got a new smart tele a few years ago. However after the retune I was dismayed to find we'd lost a lot of channels including some HD ones. The word was that some retuned channels were now outside the range of a Band A aerial that had previously been ok and the solution was a new wideband aerial. Similar reports from neighbours so I was straight on to the Freeview helpline, who I must say have been courteous and helpful throughout. They took me through a checklist and auto and manual retunes and finally agreed that I was still missing the channels. Next step was a visit from aerial engineer in a van who did more tests and confirmed a replacement aerial was the solution. A second visit, new aerial fitted and checked. All channels restored and all for free. Their policy is apparently that if you lose channels in their retune it's down to them to rectify it, and in my case they certainly did. I was very happy with the service I got. The fitters were from Glasgow and had been sent down to London for five weeks to help clear the flood of complaints! So don't despair and get straight on to them if any of your channels disappear. Cheers Robin S On 4 Jun 2018, at 14:37, John Nottage via Tech1 wrote: > My local transmitter, Tacolneston, has it's major retune on 6th June. When I checked the Digital UK Coverage checker back in April, the predictions for after the event were ok - reception not quite so good, but still green. When I looked again the other day, the predicted reception & got much worse - nearly all amber (variable reception). I banged off an email to ask why the prediction was now so much worse, only a month or so from the "good" prediction. The answer is below: > > Dear Mr. Nottage, > > Thank you for your email dated 31 May regarding the Freeview retune event. > > However, the information on our postcode checker is predictive so it is > possible you may still be able to receive the channels after the event > takes place. The prediction is a worst case scenario but you will not > know until afterwards what channels you will be able to receive. > > Kind Regards, > Linda > > Not reassuring! "you may still be able to receive the channels after the event". "you will not know until afterwards what channels you will be able to receive." At the moment, I have good reception on most channels, just avoiding the lesser HD channels. I really don't want to have to scrap all my current hardware to move to FreeSat. I'd write to my MP to complain if she wasn't so useless! > > Anyone got any thoughts on the problem? > > John > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com Tue Jun 5 07:24:47 2018 From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray) Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2018 13:24:47 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Rock Follies Message-ID: <71b3dccf-896b-31c8-0169-927f1103fa9d@gmail.com> Hi, During the loft emptying as part of our upcoming move, I came across the L.P.s of "Rock Follies" and "Rock Follies of 77". Anyone here from Thames work on these progs?? Any stories? -- Best Regards Alec Alec Bray alec.bray.2 at gmail.com mob: 07789 561 346 home: 0118 942 9543 From dave at davesound.co.uk Tue Jun 5 08:24:44 2018 From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman) Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2018 14:24:44 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Video recorders In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <57036950f8dave@davesound.co.uk> In article , Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: > LaserDisc was a play-only format, so had no domestic appeal once > record-capable tape devices came along. Odd that LPs seem to be having yet another revival. ;-) Bought a commercial DVD today. I can obviously record DVDs, but very rarely do so. -- *Succeed, in spite of management * Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From jpn at imixmics.co.uk Tue Jun 5 09:13:16 2018 From: jpn at imixmics.co.uk (John Nottage) Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2018 15:13:16 +0100 (BST) Subject: [Tech1] Digital Retune In-Reply-To: <781E84A5-F342-46F9-B399-17EF19EFDBD3@ukgateway.net> References: <1654240278.190207.1528119451273@email.1and1.co.uk> <781E84A5-F342-46F9-B399-17EF19EFDBD3@ukgateway.net> Message-ID: <1908453518.244754.1528207996319@email.1and1.co.uk> Thank you Robin for your positive spin. I'm impressed that Freeview paid! However, I already have a wideband aerial. Being on the right (west) edge of town I have a pretty uninterrupted line-of-sight to the transmitter - it's just a long way off. The other Southwold residents who have to look through my house & more are going to get even worse reception. I still don't understand why Freeview predictions got so much worse in the space of a month. All we can do is hope reception is good enough. Presumably high pressure could make our poorer signal vanish altogether! The other potential problem are the mobile phone aerials on the water tower opposite our house. At the moment it doesn't seem to cause any problems, but once they put up 4G or 5G aerials that could be the nail in the coffin of terrestrial TV for us. Luckily I have reasonable fibre broadband - we might have to do more watching on line. John > On 05 June 2018 at 13:07 Robin Sutherland wrote: > > > Hi John > > We had a similar Freeview major retune back in March for the Crystal Palace transmitter. I wasn't worried as the signal has always been good as we live pretty close and I had an ancient rooftop aerial which still seemed to pull in the full Freeview range of channels well, even after we got a new smart tele a few years ago. > > However after the retune I was dismayed to find we'd lost a lot of channels including some HD ones. The word was that some retuned channels were now outside the range of a Band A aerial that had previously been ok and the solution was a new wideband aerial. > Similar reports from neighbours so I was straight on to the Freeview helpline, who I must say have been courteous and helpful throughout. > They took me through a checklist and auto and manual retunes and finally agreed that I was still missing the channels. Next step was a visit from aerial engineer in a van who did more tests and confirmed a replacement aerial was the solution. A second visit, new aerial fitted and checked. All channels restored and all for free. Their policy is apparently that if you lose channels in their retune it's down to them to rectify it, and in my case they certainly did. I was very happy with the service I got. > The fitters were from Glasgow and had been sent down to London for five weeks to help clear the flood of complaints! > So don't despair and get straight on to them if any of your channels disappear. > > Cheers > > Robin S > > > > On 4 Jun 2018, at 14:37, John Nottage via Tech1 wrote: > > > My local transmitter, Tacolneston, has it's major retune on 6th June. When I checked the Digital UK Coverage checker back in April, the predictions for after the event were ok - reception not quite so good, but still green. When I looked again the other day, the predicted reception & got much worse - nearly all amber (variable reception). I banged off an email to ask why the prediction was now so much worse, only a month or so from the "good" prediction. The answer is below: > > > > Dear Mr. Nottage, > > > > Thank you for your email dated 31 May regarding the Freeview retune event. > > > > However, the information on our postcode checker is predictive so it is > > possible you may still be able to receive the channels after the event > > takes place. The prediction is a worst case scenario but you will not > > know until afterwards what channels you will be able to receive. > > > > Kind Regards, > > Linda > > > > Not reassuring! "you may still be able to receive the channels after the event". "you will not know until afterwards what channels you will be able to receive." At the moment, I have good reception on most channels, just avoiding the lesser HD channels. I really don't want to have to scrap all my current hardware to move to FreeSat. I'd write to my MP to complain if she wasn't so useless! > > > > Anyone got any thoughts on the problem? > > > > John > > > > -- > > Tech1 mailing list > > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com Tue Jun 5 09:26:29 2018 From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray) Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2018 15:26:29 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Video recorders In-Reply-To: <57036950f8dave@davesound.co.uk> References: <57036950f8dave@davesound.co.uk> Message-ID: <8d64dbc9-35ef-5715-305b-cf7816604ece@gmail.com> Here's another Technical Reprint, for those who would like it. This is for VERA, a contribution? to the EBU Review in 1958. I've linked 1 file to this email: VERA.pdf (7.0 MB)Box https://app.box.com/s/jju8147ktrzeodk314keohbadkaebyyv Mozilla Thunderbird makes it easy to share large files over email. -- Best Regards Alec Alec Bray alec.bray.2 at gmail.com mob: 07789 561 346 home: 0118 942 9543 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: plohdkhpabckngeh.png Type: image/png Size: 398 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: box-logo.png Type: image/png Size: 766 bytes Desc: not available URL: From david.jasma at sky.com Tue Jun 5 09:51:34 2018 From: david.jasma at sky.com (Dave Buckley) Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2018 15:51:34 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] laserdisc and digital retunes Message-ID: <000e01d3fcdc$b2f0b340$18d219c0$@sky.com> Laser disc: many moons ago my TV department - TV Training - had one of these units and a couple of discs to play on it. I was on a stand at a couple of internal open days at TFS demonstrating the unit. The comment that came up most was 'you can't record on it'. My reply was, true but you cannot record on an LP record so these discs should be considered as a video LP. If I remember correctly, there were two versions of the discs - one which allowed still frame and the other which didn't. On the open days, there was another stand with a playback unit and a few discs (may have been Engineering Information) and we swapped discs from time to time during the days. My own feeling about laserdiscs was that they were a solution looking for a problem. I have an idea that the Museum of TV etc at Bradford used quite a number of them for playout of the content to the various monitors around the site. Freeview channels: I had a look at the relevant website to see where it thought I should get my signal from. I'm three miles north of Dumfries with a clear line of sight to Caldbeck, yet the digital site said that I should use Thornhill, which is 120 degrees round behind the house (and would only give a limited number of channels). Caldbeck seems to be due a retune in a few weeks time. I mainly use Sky, but switch to Freeview when I have to record two channels off Sky. However, some Freeview channels suffer from breakup from time to time even though I have good wideband aerial (which was necessary for the analogue channels from Caldbeck). Dave Buckley --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From dave at davesound.co.uk Tue Jun 5 10:01:05 2018 From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman) Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2018 16:01:05 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] laserdisc and digital retunes In-Reply-To: <000e01d3fcdc$b2f0b340$18d219c0$@sky.com> References: <000e01d3fcdc$b2f0b340$18d219c0$@sky.com> Message-ID: <570372237fdave@davesound.co.uk> In article <000e01d3fcdc$b2f0b340$18d219c0$@sky.com>, Dave Buckley via Tech1 wrote: > My own feeling about laserdiscs was that they were a solution looking > for a problem. I've never had one, not being a movie buff. But a pal who was did have one, and raved about the very much better quality than any alternative then. Decent quality sound for a start - long before 'Hi-Fi' VHS came along. He died a few years ago, and I was one who helped clear up and dispose of his belongings, for his estate. He still had loads of LaserDiscs, but not a working player. Some of them made a very good price on Ebay, so some must still love them. -- *Why is the third hand on the watch called a second hand? Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk Tue Jun 5 11:35:48 2018 From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf) Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2018 17:35:48 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] laserdisc and digital retunes In-Reply-To: <570372237fdave@davesound.co.uk> References: <000e01d3fcdc$b2f0b340$18d219c0$@sky.com> <570372237fdave@davesound.co.uk> Message-ID: <5397108f-ca67-a22a-9e1e-e79da4b8a8ae@chriswoolf.co.uk> Laserdisc had a far bigger following in the Far East, and to an extent in the US, compared to Europe. A forerunner was the Teldec mechanical system, but that never really took off, and maybe Europeans didn't want to risk getting caught with another non-runner. The discs were rather large, and the players were expensive, but the read-out technique was essentially the same as the CD/DVD. The quality was indeed excellent. Eventually VHS/Betamax won the day because you could record on the tape, and hence didn't have buy ready-made programmes. Chris Woolf On 05/06/2018 16:01, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: > In article <000e01d3fcdc$b2f0b340$18d219c0$@sky.com>, > Dave Buckley via Tech1 wrote: >> My own feeling about laserdiscs was that they were a solution looking >> for a problem. > I've never had one, not being a movie buff. But a pal who was did have > one, and raved about the very much better quality than any alternative > then. Decent quality sound for a start - long before 'Hi-Fi' VHS came > along. > > He died a few years ago, and I was one who helped clear up and dispose of > his belongings, for his estate. He still had loads of LaserDiscs, but not > a working player. Some of them made a very good price on Ebay, so some > must still love them. > --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From bernie833 at gmail.com Tue Jun 5 11:59:38 2018 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2018 17:59:38 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] laserdisc and digital retunes In-Reply-To: <5397108f-ca67-a22a-9e1e-e79da4b8a8ae@chriswoolf.co.uk> References: <000e01d3fcdc$b2f0b340$18d219c0$@sky.com> <570372237fdave@davesound.co.uk> <5397108f-ca67-a22a-9e1e-e79da4b8a8ae@chriswoolf.co.uk> Message-ID: I have an RCA Videodisc player and some discs, bought at an auction because I'd been thwarted with an Edison Phonograph. It's an amazing clunky system as you can see in the video - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0LrPe0rwXOU . I have had it working...... B On 05/06/2018 17:35, Chris Woolf via Tech1 wrote: > Laserdisc had a far bigger following in the Far East, and to an extent > in the US, compared to Europe. > > A forerunner was the Teldec mechanical system, but that never really > took off, and maybe Europeans didn't want to risk getting caught with > another non-runner. The discs were rather large, and the players were > expensive, but the read-out technique was essentially the same as the > CD/DVD. The quality was indeed excellent. > > Eventually VHS/Betamax won the day because you could record on the > tape, and hence didn't have buy ready-made programmes. > > Chris Woolf > > > > On 05/06/2018 16:01, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: >> In article <000e01d3fcdc$b2f0b340$18d219c0$@sky.com>, >> ??? Dave Buckley via Tech1 wrote: >>> My own feeling about laserdiscs was that they were a solution looking >>> for a problem. >> I've never had one, not being a movie buff. But a pal who was did have >> one, and raved about the very much better quality than any alternative >> then. Decent quality sound for a start - long before 'Hi-Fi' VHS came >> along. >> >> He died a few years ago, and I was one who helped clear up and >> dispose of >> his belongings, for his estate. He still had loads of LaserDiscs, but >> not >> a working player. Some of them made a very good price on Ebay, so some >> must still love them. >> > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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From: ROGER BUNCE To: Robin Sutherland Sent: Tuesday, 5 June 2018, 8:40 Subject: Re: [Tech1] A Good Job with Prospects Thanks, Robin. Rog. From: Robin Sutherland To: ROGER BUNCE Cc: Tech-OpsMailing List Sent: Monday, 4 June 2018, 13:51 Subject: Re: [Tech1] A Good Job with Prospects Hi Rog I'm still in occasional contact with Ron Smedley. He lives just round the corner from me in Hampton. He's well into his 80s now and I haven't seen him for some time but have forwarded your email to him and will let you know if I get a response. I worked with him for a long time when we did Grange Hill from Studio B in the late 80s -90s at Elstree as a drive in OB. He was the exec producer. Cheers Robin S On 4 Jun 2018, at 09:20, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 wrote: Hi All, Can I pick everyone's brains? If any are still functioning? In my old age I've been trying to make a small collection of old TV Programmes which feature 'behind the scenes' views of people working in TV, particularly at TV Centre. Long, long ago, I remember seeing a Schools' Programme called "A Good Job with Prospects", which covered technical jobs in Television, and featured our own Geoff Feld. According to BBC Genome, it was broadcast on 5th March 1984, on BBC 2. (and probably repeated a lot, as was the way with schools' programmes.)? Its says - "9.10 A Good Job with Prospects,?Technical Jobs?in TelevisionWorking with a?camera, in television sound, or as a?videotape editor needs reasonable skill with?science and maths - and artistic sensitivity. Producer Ronald Smedley"? (What do they mean 'REASONABLE'? Huh!) So - Does anyone know if this still exists?Does anyone have a copy? (Unlikely, I know. VHS had been invented by then, but home recording was still quite rare.) luv, Rog.-- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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That was only meant to go to Robin! ----- Forwarded Message ----- From: ROGER BUNCE To: ROGER BUNCE Sent: Tuesday, 5 June 2018, 19:42 Subject: Re: [Tech1] A Good Job with Prospects Hi Again, Robin. An update. Peter Neil has managed to find me a copy of "A Good Job with Prospects", so no worries if Ron Smedley hasn't got one. Thanks again,Roger. From: ROGER BUNCE To: Robin Sutherland Sent: Tuesday, 5 June 2018, 8:40 Subject: Re: [Tech1] A Good Job with Prospects Thanks, Robin. Rog. From: Robin Sutherland To: ROGER BUNCE Cc: Tech-OpsMailing List Sent: Monday, 4 June 2018, 13:51 Subject: Re: [Tech1] A Good Job with Prospects Hi Rog I'm still in occasional contact with Ron Smedley. He lives just round the corner from me in Hampton. He's well into his 80s now and I haven't seen him for some time but have forwarded your email to him and will let you know if I get a response. I worked with him for a long time when we did Grange Hill from Studio B in the late 80s -90s at Elstree as a drive in OB. He was the exec producer. Cheers Robin S On 4 Jun 2018, at 09:20, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 wrote: Hi All, Can I pick everyone's brains? If any are still functioning? In my old age I've been trying to make a small collection of old TV Programmes which feature 'behind the scenes' views of people working in TV, particularly at TV Centre. Long, long ago, I remember seeing a Schools' Programme called "A Good Job with Prospects", which covered technical jobs in Television, and featured our own Geoff Feld. According to BBC Genome, it was broadcast on 5th March 1984, on BBC 2. (and probably repeated a lot, as was the way with schools' programmes.)? Its says - "9.10 A Good Job with Prospects,?Technical Jobs?in TelevisionWorking with a?camera, in television sound, or as a?videotape editor needs reasonable skill with?science and maths - and artistic sensitivity. Producer Ronald Smedley"? (What do they mean 'REASONABLE'? Huh!) So - Does anyone know if this still exists?Does anyone have a copy? (Unlikely, I know. VHS had been invented by then, but home recording was still quite rare.) luv, Rog.-- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From waresound at msn.com Tue Jun 5 15:30:29 2018 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2018 20:30:29 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Fw: Fw: A Good Job with Prospects In-Reply-To: <210178564.932966.1528224730682@mail.yahoo.com> References: <2133547966.5746436.1528100452700.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <2133547966.5746436.1528100452700@mail.yahoo.com> <878004222.139471.1528184411528@mail.yahoo.com> <563667762.933917.1528224140521@mail.yahoo.com> <1244822790.933633.1528224245421@mail.yahoo.com>, <210178564.932966.1528224730682@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Test. Is anyone other than me seeing this? Cheers, Nick Sent from my iPad On 5 Jun 2018, at 19:52, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 > wrote: Oops again! I seem to have only sent it to myself. Rapidly going bonkers here - ignore me. --- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Rapidly going bonkers > here - ignore me. > > > > --- > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Waresound at msn.com Tue Jun 5 16:39:47 2018 From: Waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2018 21:39:47 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Fw: Fw: A Good Job with Prospects In-Reply-To: <12345242.639861528234044188.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost> References: <2133547966.5746436.1528100452700.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <2133547966.5746436.1528100452700@mail.yahoo.com> <878004222.139471.1528184411528@mail.yahoo.com> <563667762.933917.1528224140521@mail.yahoo.com> <1244822790.933633.1528224245421@mail.yahoo.com>, <210178564.932966.1528224730682@mail.yahoo.com> , <12345242.639861528234044188.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost> Message-ID: Ah good. I was wondering why my MSN inbox shows other senders as ?(name) via tech1? whereas mine only show my name. Thanks to all of you who replied to me direct. Cheers, Nick. Sent from my iPad On 5 Jun 2018, at 22:27, "doug.prior at talktalk.net" > wrote: Well I can see it Nick now talktalk has got my email back on line. Doug Prior ----Original Message---- From: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Date: 05/06/2018 20:30 To: "tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk"> Subj: Re: [Tech1] Fw: Fw: A Good Job with Prospects Test. Is anyone other than me seeing this? Cheers, Nick Sent from my iPad On 5 Jun 2018, at 19:52, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 > wrote: Oops again! I seem to have only sent it to myself. Rapidly going bonkers here - ignore me. --- -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Waresound at msn.com Tue Jun 5 16:49:59 2018 From: Waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2018 21:49:59 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Fw: Fw: A Good Job with Prospects In-Reply-To: <6975400E92564E94BFF66D809340695F@MEDDIES2012> References: <2133547966.5746436.1528100452700.ref@mail.yahoo.com><2133547966.5746436.1528100452700@mail.yahoo.com><878004222.139471.1528184411528@mail.yahoo.com><563667762.933917.1528224140521@mail.yahoo.com><1244822790.933633.1528224245421@mail.yahoo.com>, <210178564.932966.1528224730682@mail.yahoo.com> , <6975400E92564E94BFF66D809340695F@MEDDIES2012> Message-ID: That?s about ten yesses now. Thanks to all for replying to me direct. Cheers, N. Sent from my iPad On 5 Jun 2018, at 22:41, terrymeadowcroft > wrote: Me sir, I see it! Clear as crystal. Terry ----- Original Message ----- From: Nick Ware via Tech1 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2018 9:30 PM Subject: Re: [Tech1] Fw: Fw: A Good Job with Prospects Test. Is anyone other than me seeing this? Cheers, Nick Sent from my iPad On 5 Jun 2018, at 19:52, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 > wrote: Oops again! I seem to have only sent it to myself. Rapidly going bonkers here - ignore me. --- ________________________________ -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bernie833 at gmail.com Tue Jun 5 16:58:02 2018 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2018 22:58:02 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Fw: Fw: A Good Job with Prospects In-Reply-To: References: <2133547966.5746436.1528100452700.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <2133547966.5746436.1528100452700@mail.yahoo.com> <878004222.139471.1528184411528@mail.yahoo.com> <563667762.933917.1528224140521@mail.yahoo.com> <1244822790.933633.1528224245421@mail.yahoo.com> <210178564.932966.1528224730682@mail.yahoo.com> <12345242.639861528234044188.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost> Message-ID: It's a GNU Mailman system to defeat DMARCcalled "munging the From". B On 05/06/2018 22:39, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: > Ah good. I was wondering why my MSN inbox shows other senders as > ?(name) via tech1? whereas mine only show my name. Thanks to all of > you who replied to me direct. > Cheers, > Nick. > Sent from my iPad > > On 5 Jun 2018, at 22:27, "doug.prior at talktalk.net > " > wrote: > >> Well I can see it Nick now talktalk has got my email back on line. >> >> Doug Prior >> >> ----Original Message---- >> From: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> Date: 05/06/2018 20:30 >> To: "tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> "> > >> Subj: Re: [Tech1] Fw: Fw: A Good Job with Prospects >> >> Test. Is anyone other than me seeing this? >> Cheers, >> Nick >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On 5 Jun 2018, at 19:52, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 > > wrote: >> >>> Oops again! I seem to have only sent it to myself. Rapidly going >>> bonkers here - ignore me. >>> >>> >>> >>> --- >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> >> > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Rapidly going > bonkers here - ignore me. > > > > ----- Forwarded Message ----- > *From:* ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 > *To:* Tech-OpsMailing List > *Sent:* Tuesday, 5 June 2018, 19:44 > *Subject:* [Tech1] Fw: A Good Job with Prospects > > Oops! That was only meant to go to Robin! > > > > ----- Forwarded Message ----- > *From:* ROGER BUNCE > *To:* ROGER BUNCE > *Sent:* Tuesday, 5 June 2018, 19:42 > *Subject:* Re: [Tech1] A Good Job with Prospects > > Hi Again, Robin. > > An update. Peter Neil has managed to find me a copy of "A Good Job > with Prospects", so no worries if Ron Smedley hasn't got one. > > Thanks again, > Roger. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* ROGER BUNCE > *To:* Robin Sutherland > *Sent:* Tuesday, 5 June 2018, 8:40 > *Subject:* Re: [Tech1] A Good Job with Prospects > > Thanks, Robin. > > Rog. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* Robin Sutherland > *To:* ROGER BUNCE > *Cc:* Tech-OpsMailing List > *Sent:* Monday, 4 June 2018, 13:51 > *Subject:* Re: [Tech1] A Good Job with Prospects > > Hi Rog > > I'm still in occasional contact with Ron Smedley. He lives just round > the corner from me in Hampton. He's well into his 80s now and I > haven't seen him for some time but have forwarded your email to him > and will let you know if I get a response. > > I worked with him for a long time when we did Grange Hill from Studio > B in the late 80s -90s at Elstree as a drive in OB. He was the exec > producer. > > Cheers > > Robin S > > On 4 Jun 2018, at 09:20, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 > wrote: > >> Hi All, >> >> Can I pick everyone's brains? If any are still functioning? >> >> In my old age I've been trying to make a small collection of old TV >> Programmes which feature 'behind the scenes' views of people working >> in TV, particularly at TV Centre. Long, long ago, I remember seeing a >> Schools' Programme called "A Good Job with Prospects", which covered >> technical jobs in Television, and featured our own Geoff Feld. >> According to BBC Genome, it was broadcast on 5th March 1984, on BBC >> 2. (and probably repeated a lot, as was the way with schools' >> programmes.) >> >> Its says - "9.10 A Good Job with Prospects,?Technical Jobs?in Television >> Working with a?camera, in television sound, or as a?videotape editor >> needs reasonable skill with?science and maths - and artistic >> sensitivity. Producer Ronald Smedley" >> >> (What do they mean 'REASONABLE'? Huh!) >> >> So - >> >> Does anyone know if this still exists? >> Does anyone have a copy? (Unlikely, I know. VHS had been invented by >> then, but home recording was still quite rare.) >> >> luv, Rog. >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > > > > > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Wed Jun 6 14:55:53 2018 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2018 20:55:53 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] 'Car Share' Message-ID: <9b2cd2ae-ba10-aad5-ed80-0347b021c681@btinternet.com> The in-car rig for Peter Kay's Care Share prog. would appear to be a little more sophisticated than the Z-cars one! Cheers, Dave -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Car Share1.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 1028684 bytes Desc: not available URL: From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk Thu Jun 7 11:21:56 2018 From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf) Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2018 17:21:56 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Video recorders In-Reply-To: <8d64dbc9-35ef-5715-305b-cf7816604ece@gmail.com> References: <57036950f8dave@davesound.co.uk> <8d64dbc9-35ef-5715-305b-cf7816604ece@gmail.com> Message-ID: Thank you, Alec, for these historical documents - they make fascinating reading. I knew, in general, about Vera but hadn't recognised that its development took place in the full knowledge of Ampex's quadruplex system. The early Ampex VR1000 was introduced as a marketable product in April 1956, so Vera was a ridiculous concept to be working on in 1958. Vera was at best an inelegant and impractical design, following on the heels of RCA and others, who had quickly discovered that high speed linear tape simply wasn't the path to go down for video recording. This is another illustration of an area of technology that the BBC seemed to have an unfortunate bias because it didn't involve its own Engineering Dept. Even sadder that the brilliant Ray Dolby was at the heart of Ampex's design work, so the invention even had British component to it. That Vera was quickly cosigned to the scrapyard was inevitable, and should have happened before even bothering to build it. Chris On 05/06/2018 15:26, Alec Bray via Tech1 wrote: > > Here's another Technical Reprint, for those who would like it. > > This is for VERA, a contribution? to the EBU Review in 1958. > > > I've linked 1 file to this email: > VERA.pdf (7.0 > MB)Box > https://app.box.com/s/jju8147ktrzeodk314keohbadkaebyyv > Mozilla Thunderbird makes it easy to > share large files over email. > > > -- > > Best Regards > > Alec > > Alec Bray > > alec.bray.2 at gmail.com > mob: 07789 561 346 > home: 0118 942 9543 > > --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: plohdkhpabckngeh.png Type: image/png Size: 398 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Hence the clock to prove it was a recording and and not him repeating his intro. If I remember correctly it was in Riverside 2. Anyone else out there from Crew 7 who remembers it? Tony Sent from my iPad > On 7 Jun 2018, at 17:21, Chris Woolf via Tech1 wrote: > > Thank you, Alec, for these historical documents - they make fascinating reading. > > I knew, in general, about Vera but hadn't recognised that its development took place in the full knowledge of Ampex's quadruplex system. The early Ampex VR1000 was introduced as a marketable product in April 1956, so Vera was a ridiculous concept to be working on in 1958. > Vera was at best an inelegant and impractical design, following on the heels of RCA and others, who had quickly discovered that high speed linear tape simply wasn't the path to go down for video recording. > > This is another illustration of an area of technology that the BBC seemed to have an unfortunate bias because it didn't involve its own Engineering Dept. Even sadder that the brilliant Ray Dolby was at the heart of Ampex's design work, so the invention even had British component to it. > > That Vera was quickly cosigned to the scrapyard was inevitable, and should have happened before even bothering to build it. > > Chris > > >> On 05/06/2018 15:26, Alec Bray via Tech1 wrote: >> Here's another Technical Reprint, for those who would like it. >> >> This is for VERA, a contribution to the EBU Review in 1958. >> >> I've linked 1 file to this email: >> VERA.pdf(7.0 MB)Box >> https://app.box.com/s/jju8147ktrzeodk314keohbadkaebyyv >> Mozilla Thunderbird makes it easy to share large files over email. >> >> -- >> >> Best Regards >> >> Alec >> >> Alec Bray >> >> alec.bray.2 at gmail.com >> mob: 07789 561 346 >> home: 0118 942 9543 >> >> > > > Virus-free. www.avast.com > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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When the programme opened there was a large clock beside RD and he explained that was because he was going to talk about a recorder which would be recording the programme. About 10 or 15 minutes later he referred back to the recorder and said that it would now show the beginning of the programme. Hence the clock to prove it was a recording and and not him repeating his intro. If I remember correctly it was in Riverside 2. Anyone else out there from Crew 7 who remembers it? Tony -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk Fri Jun 8 05:09:18 2018 From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf) Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2018 11:09:18 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Video recorders In-Reply-To: <000201d3ff0e$bbc71d90$335558b0$@soundsuper.co.uk> References: <57036950f8dave@davesound.co.uk> <8d64dbc9-35ef-5715-305b-cf7816604ece@gmail.com> <96FC24F0-CE44-41C9-BA73-AF81418AEAC4@gmail.com> <000201d3ff0e$bbc71d90$335558b0$@soundsuper.co.uk> Message-ID: <2fa3cc83-a434-9cb8-eea3-3253c0ced003@chriswoolf.co.uk> And how proud they all sound, despite the fact that at the same time the US had already got banks of developed quadruplex machines running on an everyday basis. http://www.quadvideotapegroup.com/tag/ampex-vr/ We have always suffered from a degree of insular mentality... Chris Woolf On 08/06/2018 10:54, Robert Miles via Tech1 wrote: > > As seen on YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWCstPCcuKk > > Rob > > *From:*Tech1 *On Behalf Of *Tony > Briselden via Tech1 > *Sent:* 07 June 2018 19:52 > *To:* Chris Woolf ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > *Subject:* Re: [Tech1] Video recorders > > Interesting to see the documentation about Vera but not surprising > that it didn't go anywhere. > > It was demonstrated to the viewing public however. I worked on a > Panorama hosted by Richard Dimbleby when it was demonstrated. When the > programme opened there was a large clock beside RD and he explained > that was because he was going to talk about a recorder which would be > recording the programme. About 10 or 15 minutes later he referred back > to the recorder and said that it would now show the beginning of the > programme. Hence the clock to prove it was a recording and and not him > repeating his intro. > > If I remember correctly it was in Riverside 2. Anyone else out there > from Crew 7 who remembers it? > > Tony > > > > > --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From davidvbrunt at gmail.com Fri Jun 8 05:17:02 2018 From: davidvbrunt at gmail.com (David Brunt) Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2018 11:17:02 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Video recorders In-Reply-To: <2fa3cc83-a434-9cb8-eea3-3253c0ced003@chriswoolf.co.uk> References: <57036950f8dave@davesound.co.uk><8d64dbc9-35ef-5715-305b-cf7816604ece@gmail.com><96FC24F0-CE44-41C9-BA73-AF81418AEAC4@gmail.com><000201d3ff0e$bbc71d90$335558b0$@soundsuper.co.uk> <2fa3cc83-a434-9cb8-eea3-3253c0ced003@chriswoolf.co.uk> Message-ID: They certainly knew at the time of that programme that VERA was essentially obsolete. The BBC were already in the process of buying their first AMPEX recorders with much clearer picture quality and would start using them before the year was out. From: Chris Woolf via Tech1 Sent: Friday, June 08, 2018 11:09 AM To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Video recorders And how proud they all sound, despite the fact that at the same time the US had already got banks of developed quadruplex machines running on an everyday basis. http://www.quadvideotapegroup.com/tag/ampex-vr/ We have always suffered from a degree of insular mentality... Chris Woolf On 08/06/2018 10:54, Robert Miles via Tech1 wrote: As seen on YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWCstPCcuKk Rob From: Tech1 mailto:tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk On Behalf Of Tony Briselden via Tech1 Sent: 07 June 2018 19:52 To: Chris Woolf mailto:chris at chriswoolf.co.uk; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Video recorders Interesting to see the documentation about Vera but not surprising that it didn't go anywhere. It was demonstrated to the viewing public however. I worked on a Panorama hosted by Richard Dimbleby when it was demonstrated. When the programme opened there was a large clock beside RD and he explained that was because he was going to talk about a recorder which would be recording the programme. About 10 or 15 minutes later he referred back to the recorder and said that it would now show the beginning of the programme. Hence the clock to prove it was a recording and and not him repeating his intro. If I remember correctly it was in Riverside 2. Anyone else out there from Crew 7 who remembers it? Tony Virus-free. www.avast.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com Fri Jun 8 05:57:09 2018 From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray) Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2018 11:57:09 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Video recorders In-Reply-To: References: <57036950f8dave@davesound.co.uk> <8d64dbc9-35ef-5715-305b-cf7816604ece@gmail.com> Message-ID: Here are a further couple of Engineering Department reprints, this time dealing with Ampex VTR technology. As Chris wrote:: > The early Ampex VR1000 was introduced as a marketable product in April > 1956, so Vera was a ridiculous concept to be working on in 1958. The first of this collection of articles is based on presentations to the Society of Motion Picture and Television Engineers? in LA in October 1956. AND - the Ampex VTR seemed to be a robust system: ".. The original piece of equipment that was shown last year at the NARTB was self-contained in one console. It was taken out of the console to make it more accessible to the broadcaster. As a measure of the reliability and desirability of the equipment, that particular recorder was shipped to Chicago by truck from the airport, bounced on a DC-6 all the way back and I'm sure it was pushed off the DC-6 on to a truck and then back to Redwood City. That same equipment was trucked again to Los Angeles, trucked to Monterey, and I think it's been trucked around the Bay area several times. As far as I know, no damage has ever resulted from any of those operations..." Each of these reprints contains a collection of articles - including articles by one Ray Dolby, who by November 1958 had moved from Ampex to the Cavendish Laboratory at Cambridge University. Sorry for the very rough cropping of the pages - bit time-limited today ... These are the last reprints from me for a few weeks:? off on holiday to Italy - and right in the middle of a house move!!? Sold the dining room furniture last Wednesday (downsizing) - everywhere is either bare or cluttered with boxes ... ENJOY! I've linked 2 files to this email: Videotape_Recorder_Design.pdf (11.7 MB)Box https://app.box.com/s/uoia2786qs28daj197684rwubm46y03k Signal_Translation_Through_Ampex_VTR.pdf (27.2 MB)Box https://app.box.com/s/jia6fi229zoemab6iuo16obot5421u53 Mozilla Thunderbird makes it easy to share large files over email. -- Best Regards Alec Alec Bray alec.bray.2 at gmail.com mob: 07789 561 346 home: 0118 942 9543 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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(Of course before TC opened, they may well have been made there, but before I joined in '62) And I remember working on the Steptoe pilot at TC. -- *Money isn't everything, but it sure keeps the kids in touch * Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From graeme.wall at icloud.com Fri Jun 8 08:54:38 2018 From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall) Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2018 14:54:38 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Steptoe In-Reply-To: <5704f76623dave@davesound.co.uk> References: <5704f76623dave@davesound.co.uk> Message-ID: IIRC Harry Worth was done at Riverside. ? Graeme Wall > On 8 Jun 2018, at 14:52, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: > > On another BBC forum ;-), it was stated that the first three series of > Steptoe and Son were made at LG. I must admit to not remembering any > sit-coms made at LG other than perhaps the odd episode when TC was full. > (Of course before TC opened, they may well have been made there, but > before I joined in '62) And I remember working on the Steptoe pilot at TC. > > -- > *Money isn't everything, but it sure keeps the kids in touch * > > Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From dave at davesound.co.uk Fri Jun 8 09:34:33 2018 From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman) Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2018 15:34:33 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Steptoe In-Reply-To: References: <5704f76623dave@davesound.co.uk> Message-ID: <5704fb36cddave@davesound.co.uk> Real problem with LG for an audience is the access to the 4th floor studios. Riverside no such problem. I'd be most surprised if you could get H&S clearance for a 200 or so audience for D&E these days. As it were. In article , Graeme Wall wrote: > IIRC Harry Worth was done at Riverside. > ? > Graeme Wall > > On 8 Jun 2018, at 14:52, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: > > > > On another BBC forum ;-), it was stated that the first three series of > > Steptoe and Son were made at LG. I must admit to not remembering any > > sit-coms made at LG other than perhaps the odd episode when TC was full. > > (Of course before TC opened, they may well have been made there, but > > before I joined in '62) And I remember working on the Steptoe pilot at TC. > > > > -- > > *Money isn't everything, but it sure keeps the kids in touch * > > > > Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 > > > > > > -- > > Tech1 mailing list > > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- *Beware - animal lover - brakes for pussy* Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From dave at davesound.co.uk Fri Jun 8 09:36:52 2018 From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman) Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2018 15:36:52 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Video recorders In-Reply-To: References: <57036950f8dave@davesound.co.uk><8d64dbc9-35ef-5715-305b-cf7816604ece@gmail.com><96FC24F0-CE44-41C9-BA73-AF81418AEAC4@gmail.com><000201d3ff0e$bbc71d90$335558b0$@soundsuper.co.uk> <2fa3cc83-a434-9cb8-eea3-3253c0ced003@chriswoolf.co.uk> Message-ID: <5704fb6db6dave@davesound.co.uk> You would need to know just when the Vera project started and what was known about the position Ampex was in then. Before condemning it with hindsight. ;-) In article , David Brunt via Tech1 wrote: > They certainly knew at the time of that programme that VERA was > essentially obsolete. The BBC were already in the process of buying > their first AMPEX recorders with much clearer picture quality and would > start using them before the year was out. > From: Chris Woolf via Tech1 > Sent: Friday, June 08, 2018 11:09 AM > To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > Subject: Re: [Tech1] Video recorders > And how proud they all sound, despite the fact that at the same time the US had already got banks of developed quadruplex machines running on an everyday basis. > http://www.quadvideotapegroup.com/tag/ampex-vr/ > We have always suffered from a degree of insular mentality... > Chris Woolf > On 08/06/2018 10:54, Robert Miles via Tech1 wrote: > As seen on YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWCstPCcuKk > Rob > From: Tech1 mailto:tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk On Behalf Of Tony Briselden via Tech1 > Sent: 07 June 2018 19:52 > To: Chris Woolf mailto:chris at chriswoolf.co.uk; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > Subject: Re: [Tech1] Video recorders > Interesting to see the documentation about Vera but not surprising that it didn't go anywhere. > It was demonstrated to the viewing public however. I worked on a Panorama hosted by Richard Dimbleby when it was demonstrated. When the programme opened there was a large clock beside RD and he explained that was because he was going to talk about a recorder which would be recording the programme. About 10 or 15 minutes later he referred back to the recorder and said that it would now show the beginning of the programme. Hence the clock to prove it was a recording and and not him repeating his intro. > If I remember correctly it was in Riverside 2. Anyone else out there from Crew 7 who remembers it? > Tony > > Virus-free. www.avast.com > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- *According to my calculations, the problem doesn't exist. Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From peter.neill at icloud.com Fri Jun 8 17:35:53 2018 From: peter.neill at icloud.com (Peter Neill) Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2018 23:35:53 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Steptoe In-Reply-To: <5704fb36cddave@davesound.co.uk> References: <5704f76623dave@davesound.co.uk> <5704fb36cddave@davesound.co.uk> Message-ID: <4A3A8940-0A23-4524-A946-B3CEF40DABD8@icloud.com> I worked on quite a few audience programmes in ?G? ? JBJ, Dee Time, Twice a Fortnight to name a few. And, of course, TOTP was there for a while. Sent from my iPhone. Apologies for typos and autocorruptions. > On 8 Jun 2018, at 15:34, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: > > Real problem with LG for an audience is the access to the 4th floor > studios. Riverside no such problem. From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Fri Jun 8 18:27:09 2018 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2018 00:27:09 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Steptoe In-Reply-To: <4A3A8940-0A23-4524-A946-B3CEF40DABD8@icloud.com> References: <5704f76623dave@davesound.co.uk> <5704fb36cddave@davesound.co.uk> <4A3A8940-0A23-4524-A946-B3CEF40DABD8@icloud.com> Message-ID: <6e36b44a-9280-3947-dcd5-3f9c093cbde1@btinternet.com> I did the boom on several Steptoes in TC3/4,? and good fun it was! Cheers, Dave. On 08/06/2018 23:35, Peter Neill via Tech1 wrote: > I worked on quite a few audience programmes in ?G? ? JBJ, Dee Time, Twice a Fortnight to name a few. And, of course, TOTP was there for a while. > > Sent from my iPhone. Apologies for typos and autocorruptions. > >> On 8 Jun 2018, at 15:34, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: >> >> Real problem with LG for an audience is the access to the 4th floor >> studios. Riverside no such problem. From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Fri Jun 8 19:55:22 2018 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2018 01:55:22 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] 'Dee Time' Message-ID: Whilst on my Sound Training Course I used to do the band call for 'Dee Time' in 'G' for Colin Dixon, (and a lot of good it did me!). However, I did enjoy it! BTW, has anyone ever heard any info about Colin since he moved to Peterborough just before the train fares rocketed! When he lived in Maidenhead he used a three-wheeled invalid carriage to go shopping in as he could park anywhere! His computer training company was taken over by one of the big companies I believe but I've heard nothing since. Cheers, Dave From patheigham at amps.net Sat Jun 9 04:23:57 2018 From: patheigham at amps.net (patrickheigham) Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2018 10:23:57 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Steptoe In-Reply-To: <6e36b44a-9280-3947-dcd5-3f9c093cbde1@btinternet.com> References: <5704f76623dave@davesound.co.uk><5704fb36cddave@davesound.co.uk><4A3A8940-0A23-4524-A946-B3CEF40DABD8@icloud.com> <6e36b44a-9280-3947-dcd5-3f9c093cbde1@btinternet.com> Message-ID: I was Grams on many Steptoes in the B/W days. Always in TVC, don't remember it ever being in LG. Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: "dave.mdv via Tech1" To: "Peter Neill" ; Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2018 12:27 AM Subject: Re: [Tech1] Steptoe >I did the boom on several Steptoes in TC3/4, and good fun it was! Cheers, >Dave. > > > On 08/06/2018 23:35, Peter Neill via Tech1 wrote: >> I worked on quite a few audience programmes in ?G? ? JBJ, Dee Time, >> Twice a Fortnight to name a few. And, of course, TOTP was there for a >> while. >> >> Sent from my iPhone. Apologies for typos and autocorruptions. >> >>> On 8 Jun 2018, at 15:34, Dave Plowman via Tech1 >>> wrote: >>> >>> Real problem with LG for an audience is the access to the 4th floor >>> studios. Riverside no such problem. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk Sat Jun 9 04:31:20 2018 From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf) Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2018 10:31:20 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Video recorders In-Reply-To: <5704fb6db6dave@davesound.co.uk> References: <57036950f8dave@davesound.co.uk> <8d64dbc9-35ef-5715-305b-cf7816604ece@gmail.com> <96FC24F0-CE44-41C9-BA73-AF81418AEAC4@gmail.com> <000201d3ff0e$bbc71d90$335558b0$@soundsuper.co.uk> <2fa3cc83-a434-9cb8-eea3-3253c0ced003@chriswoolf.co.uk> <5704fb6db6dave@davesound.co.uk> Message-ID: <4778508d-b073-6352-6fe7-0de757f7ab5d@chriswoolf.co.uk> Vera was started in 1952, at the same time as RCA and Bing Crosby were attempting the same longitudinal technique. It was Ampex who worked out, at about the same date, the alternative approach to obtaining a high head-to-tape speed. It is fair to applaud the BBC for starting the development of Vera, but questionable that they should have continued it at least two years after the public announcement of the vastly superior quadruplex system. There is a hint that maybe the BBC kept the project live as a bargaining chip to persuade Ampex to supply them quickly with VR1000s in order to prevent any challenger emerging, but I think that's fanciful - Ampex knew perfectly well that the longitudinal approach was a dead-end and would never be a competitor. Chris Woolf On 08/06/2018 15:36, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: > You would need to know just when the Vera project started and what was > known about the position Ampex was in then. Before condemning it with > hindsight. ;-) > > > In article , > David Brunt via Tech1 wrote: >> They certainly knew at the time of that programme that VERA was >> essentially obsolete. The BBC were already in the process of buying >> their first AMPEX recorders with much clearer picture quality and would >> start using them before the year was out. > > > > >> From: Chris Woolf via Tech1 >> Sent: Friday, June 08, 2018 11:09 AM >> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Video recorders >> And how proud they all sound, despite the fact that at the same time the US had already got banks of developed quadruplex machines running on an everyday basis. >> http://www.quadvideotapegroup.com/tag/ampex-vr/ >> We have always suffered from a degree of insular mentality... > > >> Chris Woolf > > > > >> On 08/06/2018 10:54, Robert Miles via Tech1 wrote: >> As seen on YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWCstPCcuKk > > >> Rob > > >> From: Tech1 mailto:tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk On Behalf Of Tony Briselden via Tech1 >> Sent: 07 June 2018 19:52 >> To: Chris Woolf mailto:chris at chriswoolf.co.uk; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Video recorders > > >> Interesting to see the documentation about Vera but not surprising that it didn't go anywhere. > > >> It was demonstrated to the viewing public however. I worked on a Panorama hosted by Richard Dimbleby when it was demonstrated. When the programme opened there was a large clock beside RD and he explained that was because he was going to talk about a recorder which would be recording the programme. About 10 or 15 minutes later he referred back to the recorder and said that it would now show the beginning of the programme. Hence the clock to prove it was a recording and and not him repeating his intro. > > >> If I remember correctly it was in Riverside 2. Anyone else out there from Crew 7 who remembers it? > > >> Tony > > > > > >> > > > >> Virus-free. www.avast.com > > >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From j at howell61.f9.co.uk Sat Jun 9 04:49:08 2018 From: j at howell61.f9.co.uk (John Howell) Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2018 10:49:08 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] BBC training--Late Comment In-Reply-To: References:

<9a582055-a3f3-74ff-a9bf-5dec2add8f5b@chriswoolf.co.uk> Message-ID: Hi Nick, Just weeding the Inbox and came across your post. You were lucky to find a disc without scratches, I take it that this was prior to the 'EC' series of 7" effects discs? My moonlighting story concerns a shoot in the woods near Gerrards Cross. There was too much morning mist to shoot but when it cleared we discovered an ITV unit at work. Suddenly our 'sparks' had disappeared. I found him hiding in the lighting truck, afraid of being recognised by his ITV colleagues! Hibou. On 31/05/2018 22:04, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: > Nearly, but not quite right, though it?s true I did have the office > Nagra booked out a fair bit more than most, usually to record organ > recitals, choirs etc., plus all the early instrumental music for an > open-air medieval pageant that Derek Gough was co-producing. I bought > my own Nagra III in ?67 because by then I needed the neopilot version. > Once I had that I never needed or asked for the Beeb one again. > > A fondly remembered adventure with that Beeb Nagra was when Bob Foley > and I had been moonlighting on some production or other, and had been > tasked with going to record wildtracks of the machinery that raises > and lowers Tower Bridge. We found that we couldn?t do that without > applying for permission a fortnight in advance. So I got the BBC FX > disc of it from the gram library, and in Bob?s Putney flat, we cued up > the disc. Bob announced on the tape: > ?This is the sound of the bridge going up?, and then shouted: > ?OK, take it up?. > I played the disc, recorded acoustically off Bob?s speakers. > Bob shouted: > ?Great, now let?s bring it down again?. > I played the second track. > ?Ok, that?s great, thanks?, he said. > Stop tape, write two invoices at whatever the 8 hour daily rate was, > and job done! > Cheers, > Nick. > Sent from my iPad > > On 31 May 2018, at 18:41, patrickheigham via Tech1 > > wrote: > >> Hi Roger, this from you, woke up several memories..... >> In the '60's the TVC Sound office had access to a small number >> of portable tape recorders - I was allowed to borrow a Fi-Cord, >> but Nick Ware was denied a Nagra III, even though he had his own! >> I did manage a loan of the Nagra to record, at home, some special >> FX for 'Steptoe & Son', and a couple of C28's for an amateur show >> that I was recording. >> [snip] >> Best >> Pat >> > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From dave at davesound.co.uk Sat Jun 9 05:42:12 2018 From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman) Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2018 11:42:12 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Video recorders In-Reply-To: <4778508d-b073-6352-6fe7-0de757f7ab5d@chriswoolf.co.uk> References: <57036950f8dave@davesound.co.uk> <8d64dbc9-35ef-5715-305b-cf7816604ece@gmail.com> <96FC24F0-CE44-41C9-BA73-AF81418AEAC4@gmail.com> <000201d3ff0e$bbc71d90$335558b0$@soundsuper.co.uk> <2fa3cc83-a434-9cb8-eea3-3253c0ced003@chriswoolf.co.uk> <5704fb6db6dave@davesound.co.uk> <4778508d-b073-6352-6fe7-0de757f7ab5d@chriswoolf.co.uk> Message-ID: <570569c7ebdave@davesound.co.uk> Thanks for that. But like any research project, it might just be worth finishing it as other lessons may be learned in the process? As with all research, etc? Different matter if the project had started after Ampex had solved all the problems. In article <4778508d-b073-6352-6fe7-0de757f7ab5d at chriswoolf.co.uk>, Chris Woolf via Tech1 wrote: > Vera was started in 1952, at the same time as RCA and Bing Crosby were > attempting the same longitudinal technique. It was Ampex who worked out, > at about the same date, the alternative approach to obtaining a high > head-to-tape speed. > It is fair to applaud the BBC for starting the development of Vera, but > questionable that they should have continued it at least two years after > the public announcement of the vastly superior quadruplex system. There > is a hint that maybe the BBC kept the project live as a bargaining chip > to persuade Ampex to supply them quickly with VR1000s in order to > prevent any challenger emerging, but I think that's fanciful - Ampex > knew perfectly well that the longitudinal approach was a dead-end and > would never be a competitor. -- *If love is blind, why is lingerie so popular? Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From dave at davesound.co.uk Sat Jun 9 05:36:58 2018 From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman) Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2018 11:36:58 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Steptoe In-Reply-To: <4A3A8940-0A23-4524-A946-B3CEF40DABD8@icloud.com> References: <5704f76623dave@davesound.co.uk>