From spencergchapman at gmail.com  Sun Jul  1 07:36:35 2018
From: spencergchapman at gmail.com (Spencer Chapman)
Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2018 13:36:35 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] New museum dedicated to film
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A article in the Oldie
www.kentmomi.org
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From tony.briselden at gmail.com  Mon Jul  2 06:39:27 2018
From: tony.briselden at gmail.com (Tony Briselden)
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2018 12:39:27 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] New museum dedicated to film
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Interesting to hear of this. But does anyone remember the first MOMI which was connected with the BFI. Sadly it only lasted a few years as the BFI wanted to use the space for further development - shame! !?ve taken the liberty of attaching an article that I wrote about it in 1988.



> On 1 Jul 2018, at 13:36, Spencer Chapman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> A article in the Oldie 
> www.kentmomi.org <http://www.kentmomi.org/>
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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Mon Jul  2 10:29:46 2018
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2018 16:29:46 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] New museum dedicated to film
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I think you are in Bradford in that article Tony

I thought MOMI was excellent. Not only that, I walked into the main hall 
and there was the Transatlantic crane parked in the middle. That was the 
one with the two steering wheels. I did my bit on that when Anne 
Boleynwas beheaded on The Six Wives of Henry VIII

B



On 02/07/2018 12:39, Tony Briselden via Tech1 wrote:
> Interesting to hear of this. But does anyone remember the first MOMI 
> which was connected with the BFI. Sadly it only lasted a few years as 
> the BFI wanted to use the space for further development - shame! !?ve 
> taken the liberty of attaching an article that I wrote about it in 1988.
>
>
>
>
>
>> On 1 Jul 2018, at 13:36, Spencer Chapman via Tech1 
>> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:
>>
>> A article in the Oldie
>> www.kentmomi.org <http://www.kentmomi.org/>
>> Spencer
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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Mon Jul  2 10:33:47 2018
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2018 16:33:47 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Gillian Lynne...
Message-ID: <38aab216-c9a8-ddae-40b0-e3e461a4585d@gmail.com>

... died yesterday at 92. Amazing woman.

Les Thorne and I were choreographed by heron Pickwick. We were swinging 
Ron Green on the Nike and she wanted us to doa particular move. One 
thing she didn't understand was a Nike arm has a lot more inertia that a 
human and didn't stop- not matter what- instantly. She was a bit 
disappointed in us, but physics is physics

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From barrybonner119 at btinternet.com  Mon Jul  2 10:58:57 2018
From: barrybonner119 at btinternet.com (Barry Bonner)
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2018 16:58:57 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] New museum dedicated to film
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And I thought it was Henry VIII who beheaded her!!
Barry.



On 2 Jul 2018, at 16:29, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

> I think you are in Bradford in that article Tony
> 
> I thought MOMI was excellent. Not only that, I walked into the main hall and there was the Transatlantic crane parked in the middle. That was the one with the two steering wheels. I did my bit on that when Anne Boleyn was beheaded on The Six Wives of Henry VIII
> 
> B
> 
> 
> 
> On 02/07/2018 12:39, Tony Briselden via Tech1 wrote:
>> Interesting to hear of this. But does anyone remember the first MOMI which was connected with the BFI. Sadly it only lasted a few years as the BFI wanted to use the space for further development - shame! !?ve taken the liberty of attaching an article that I wrote about it in 1988.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 1 Jul 2018, at 13:36, Spencer Chapman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>>> A article in the Oldie 
>>> www.kentmomi.org
>>> Spencer
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From geoffletch at gmail.com  Mon Jul  2 13:55:33 2018
From: geoffletch at gmail.com (Geoff Fletcher)
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2018 19:55:33 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] New museum dedicated to film
In-Reply-To: <7f20cc33-ec9a-a37e-c3df-e32b1a45be5a@ntlworld.com>
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Wow! First I?ve heard about that. Was there an internal inquiry BernIe? Did
you get her with the arm or was she run over?
Geoff F?

On Mon, 2 Jul 2018 at 19:02, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
wrote:

> I think you are in Bradford in that article Tony
>
> I thought MOMI was excellent. Not only that, I walked into the main hall
> and there was the Transatlantic crane parked in the middle. That was the
> one with the two steering wheels. I did my bit on that when Anne Boleyn
> was beheaded on The Six Wives of Henry VIII
>
>
> B
>
>
>
> On 02/07/2018 12:39, Tony Briselden via Tech1 wrote:
>
> Interesting to hear of this. But does anyone remember the first MOMI which
> was connected with the BFI. Sadly it only lasted a few years as the BFI
> wanted to use the space for further development - shame! !?ve taken the
> liberty of attaching an article that I wrote about it in 1988.
>
>
>
>
>
> On 1 Jul 2018, at 13:36, Spencer Chapman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
> A article in the Oldie
> www.kentmomi.org
> Spencer
> --
> Tech1 mailing list
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>
>
>
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From davidslawson at btinternet.com  Mon Jul  2 14:11:04 2018
From: davidslawson at btinternet.com (David Lawson)
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2018 20:11:04 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Gillian Lynne...
In-Reply-To: <38aab216-c9a8-ddae-40b0-e3e461a4585d@gmail.com>
References: <38aab216-c9a8-ddae-40b0-e3e461a4585d@gmail.com>
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By way of tribute we have a photo of Gillian Lynne from Pebble Mill
http://www.tech-ops.co.uk/page19.html <http://www.tech-ops.co.uk/page19.html>
at the top of the page.

Dave

> On 2 Jul 2018, at 16:33, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ... died yesterday at 92. Amazing woman.
> 
> Les Thorne and I were choreographed by her on Pickwick. We were swinging Ron Green on the Nike and she wanted us to do a particular move. One thing she didn't understand was a Nike arm has a lot more inertia that a human and didn't stop -  not matter what - instantly.  She was a bit disappointed in us, but physics is physics
> 
> B  
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From patheigham at amps.net  Mon Jul  2 14:18:10 2018
From: patheigham at amps.net (patrickheigham)
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2018 20:18:10 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Gillian Lynne...
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Splendid choreographer - think 'Cats'
The New London Theatre where it was first staged, has been
renamed the Gillian Lynne Theatre. Very fitting.

I worked with Gillian on a US film (European Vacation)
which needed her input for a German slap dance routine.
She was intrigued that I was using splicing tape patches
to mark up the 1/4" playback tape - with fine tip magic
marker to I/D the cue.
I bought a CAT tape splicer for her!

A nice, pleasant lady at the top of her profession.

Pat
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  From: Bernard Newnham via Tech1 
  To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk 
  Sent: Monday, July 02, 2018 4:33 PM
  Subject: [Tech1] Gillian Lynne...


  ... died yesterday at 92. Amazing woman.

  Les Thorne and I were choreographed by her on Pickwick. We were swinging Ron Green on the Nike and she wanted us to do a particular move. One thing she didn't understand was a Nike arm has a lot more inertia that a human and didn't stop -  not matter what - instantly.  She was a bit disappointed in us, but physics is physics

  B  



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From tony.briselden at gmail.com  Mon Jul  2 14:34:43 2018
From: tony.briselden at gmail.com (Tony Briselden)
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2018 20:34:43 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] New museum dedicated to film
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No not Bradford but under the railway arches on the South side of the Thames. There's an entry on Wikipedia about it giving full details and confirming that it closed in 1999 so it only existed for eleven years.

At Bradford the National Museum of Photography, Film and Television was already there as it opened in 1983. Now of course renamed as the National Media Museum, to my mind a ridiculous title but I am sure someone will tell me I'm wrong.

And just to throw in another personal story I went to a press showing at the IMAX cinema at the Museum. The first one in the U.K. Wrote an article about that as well.

Tony

Sent from my iPad

> On 2 Jul 2018, at 16:29, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> I think you are in Bradford in that article Tony
> 
> I thought MOMI was excellent. Not only that, I walked into the main hall and there was the Transatlantic crane parked in the middle. That was the one with the two steering wheels. I did my bit on that when Anne Boleyn was beheaded on The Six Wives of Henry VIII
> 
> B
> 
> 
> 
>> On 02/07/2018 12:39, Tony Briselden via Tech1 wrote:
>> Interesting to hear of this. But does anyone remember the first MOMI which was connected with the BFI. Sadly it only lasted a few years as the BFI wanted to use the space for further development - shame! !?ve taken the liberty of attaching an article that I wrote about it in 1988.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 1 Jul 2018, at 13:36, Spencer Chapman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>>> A article in the Oldie 
>>> www.kentmomi.org
>>> Spencer
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From roybailey100 at gmail.com  Mon Jul  2 16:35:15 2018
From: roybailey100 at gmail.com (Roy Bailey)
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2018 22:35:15 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] New museum dedicated to film
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A new MOMI has recently opened in Deal, I have no idea if there is any
connection to the original but I plan to look in later this month.  Sadly
the cafe is not yet up and running but they are supplying free soft drinks
until it is!

http://www.dealheritage.org.uk/venues/kent-momi/

Roy

On Mon, 2 Jul 2018 at 16:50, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
wrote:

> I think you are in Bradford in that article Tony
>
> I thought MOMI was excellent. Not only that, I walked into the main hall
> and there was the Transatlantic crane parked in the middle. That was the
> one with the two steering wheels. I did my bit on that when Anne Boleyn
> was beheaded on The Six Wives of Henry VIII
>
> B
>
>
>
> On 02/07/2018 12:39, Tony Briselden via Tech1 wrote:
>
> Interesting to hear of this. But does anyone remember the first MOMI which
> was connected with the BFI. Sadly it only lasted a few years as the BFI
> wanted to use the space for further development - shame! !?ve taken the
> liberty of attaching an article that I wrote about it in 1988.
>
>
>
>
>
> On 1 Jul 2018, at 13:36, Spencer Chapman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
> A article in the Oldie
> www.kentmomi.org
> Spencer
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From roybailey100 at gmail.com  Mon Jul  2 16:38:29 2018
From: roybailey100 at gmail.com (Roy Bailey)
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2018 22:38:29 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] New museum dedicated to film
In-Reply-To: <CAEoXqV2j1gTipEUaEu_D__u6UpzHZGzu9Yo2zQKWHJsWQjHx-g@mail.gmail.com>
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Sorry Spencer, I've just gone round in a circle!!  Oh dear.

Roy

On Mon, 2 Jul 2018 at 22:35, Roy Bailey <roybailey100 at gmail.com> wrote:

> A new MOMI has recently opened in Deal, I have no idea if there is any
> connection to the original but I plan to look in later this month.  Sadly
> the cafe is not yet up and running but they are supplying free soft drinks
> until it is!
>
> http://www.dealheritage.org.uk/venues/kent-momi/
>
> Roy
>
> On Mon, 2 Jul 2018 at 16:50, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <
> tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> I think you are in Bradford in that article Tony
>>
>> I thought MOMI was excellent. Not only that, I walked into the main hall
>> and there was the Transatlantic crane parked in the middle. That was the
>> one with the two steering wheels. I did my bit on that when Anne Boleyn
>> was beheaded on The Six Wives of Henry VIII
>>
>> B
>>
>>
>>
>> On 02/07/2018 12:39, Tony Briselden via Tech1 wrote:
>>
>> Interesting to hear of this. But does anyone remember the first MOMI
>> which was connected with the BFI. Sadly it only lasted a few years as the
>> BFI wanted to use the space for further development - shame! !?ve taken the
>> liberty of attaching an article that I wrote about it in 1988.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 1 Jul 2018, at 13:36, Spencer Chapman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
>> wrote:
>>
>> A article in the Oldie
>> www.kentmomi.org
>> Spencer
>> --
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From george at sundive.org  Mon Jul  2 17:09:08 2018
From: george at sundive.org (george at sundive.org)
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2018 23:09:08 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] New museum dedicated to film
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This is the connection you are all looking for: David Frances OBE. "During
the 1980s he was the leading academic member of the team that created
London's internationally acclaimed Museum of the Moving Image
(MOMI)"........George

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Francis_(film_archivist)



 A new MOMI has recently opened in Deal, I have no idea if there is any
> connection to the original but I plan to look in later this month.  Sadly
> the cafe is not yet up and running but they are supplying free soft drinks
> until it is!
>
> http://www.dealheritage.org.uk/venues/kent-momi/
>
> Roy
>
> On Mon, 2 Jul 2018 at 16:50, Bernard Newnham via Tech1
> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
>> I think you are in Bradford in that article Tony
>>
>> I thought MOMI was excellent. Not only that, I walked into the main hall
>> and there was the Transatlantic crane parked in the middle. That was the
>> one with the two steering wheels. I did my bit on that when Anne Boleyn
>> was beheaded on The Six Wives of Henry VIII
>>
>> B
>>
>>
>>
>> On 02/07/2018 12:39, Tony Briselden via Tech1 wrote:
>>
>> Interesting to hear of this. But does anyone remember the first MOMI
>> which
>> was connected with the BFI. Sadly it only lasted a few years as the BFI
>> wanted to use the space for further development - shame! !?ve taken the
>> liberty of attaching an article that I wrote about it in 1988.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 1 Jul 2018, at 13:36, Spencer Chapman via Tech1
>> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
>> wrote:
>>
>> A article in the Oldie
>> www.kentmomi.org
>> Spencer
>> --
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From george at sundive.org  Mon Jul  2 17:09:17 2018
From: george at sundive.org (george at sundive.org)
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2018 23:09:17 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] New museum dedicated to film
In-Reply-To: <CAEoXqV2j1gTipEUaEu_D__u6UpzHZGzu9Yo2zQKWHJsWQjHx-g@mail.gmail.com>
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	<FB3C4146-71C2-40D9-977D-ED6037947F3B@gmail.com>
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This is the connection you are all looking for: David Frances OBE. "During
the 1980s he was the leading academic member of the team that created
London's internationally acclaimed Museum of the Moving Image
(MOMI)"........George

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Francis_(film_archivist)



 A new MOMI has recently opened in Deal, I have no idea if there is any
> connection to the original but I plan to look in later this month.  Sadly
> the cafe is not yet up and running but they are supplying free soft drinks
> until it is!
>
> http://www.dealheritage.org.uk/venues/kent-momi/
>
> Roy
>
> On Mon, 2 Jul 2018 at 16:50, Bernard Newnham via Tech1
> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
>> I think you are in Bradford in that article Tony
>>
>> I thought MOMI was excellent. Not only that, I walked into the main hall
>> and there was the Transatlantic crane parked in the middle. That was the
>> one with the two steering wheels. I did my bit on that when Anne Boleyn
>> was beheaded on The Six Wives of Henry VIII
>>
>> B
>>
>>
>>
>> On 02/07/2018 12:39, Tony Briselden via Tech1 wrote:
>>
>> Interesting to hear of this. But does anyone remember the first MOMI
>> which
>> was connected with the BFI. Sadly it only lasted a few years as the BFI
>> wanted to use the space for further development - shame! !?ve taken the
>> liberty of attaching an article that I wrote about it in 1988.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 1 Jul 2018, at 13:36, Spencer Chapman via Tech1
>> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
>> wrote:
>>
>> A article in the Oldie
>> www.kentmomi.org
>> Spencer
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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Mon Jul  2 19:30:53 2018
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2018 01:30:53 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] 'Cats'
In-Reply-To: <D14135882F214E57836AD4D6F5E4F227@PATRICKSONY>
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AIR, the New London Theatre was on the fourth floor of the building 
which made rigging and de-rigging extra difficult with having to use the 
lift etc. We (ie OBs)? recorded a country singer show there (Crystal 
Gayle?)and I also took the family there to see 'Cats'. Great show. ALW 
has a gift despite his looks (which aren't actually too bad despite all 
the Private Eye comments!) and can write some great tunes. Cheers, Dave

.
On 02/07/2018 20:18, patrickheigham via Tech1 wrote:
> Splendid choreographer - think 'Cats'
> The New London Theatre where it was first staged, has been
> renamed the Gillian Lynne Theatre. Very fitting.
> I worked with Gillian on a US film (European Vacation)
> which needed her input for a German slap dance routine.
> She was intrigued that I was using splicing tape patches
> to mark up the 1/4" playback tape - with fine tip magic
> marker to I/D the cue.
> I bought a CAT tape splicer for her!
> A nice, pleasant lady at the top of her profession.
> Pat
>
>     ----- Original Message -----
>     *From:* Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
>     *To:* tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
>     *Sent:* Monday, July 02, 2018 4:33 PM
>     *Subject:* [Tech1] Gillian Lynne...
>
>     ... died yesterday at 92. Amazing woman.
>
>     Les Thorne and I were choreographed by heron Pickwick. We were
>     swinging Ron Green on the Nike and she wanted us to doa particular
>     move. One thing she didn't understand was a Nike arm has a lot
>     more inertia that a human and didn't stop- not matter what-
>     instantly. She was a bit disappointed in us, but physics is physics
>
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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Mon Jul  2 21:46:10 2018
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2018 03:46:10 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Reporting a fault to BBC Eng
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I have just returned from Somerset having stayed with my daughter in 
Catcott, near Bridgewater. Last Sunday was the village Open Gardens Day 
where 20 domestic gardens where open to the public. After buying tickets 
from the Village Hall people were transported in a variety of of the 
most wonderful classic? cars to the gardens with various pick-up? and 
drop-off points. At one of the last gardens the owner told me that he 
worked for Arqiva! I mentioned the problem about the loss of FM 
transmissions etc. and he told me that they had had engineers out in the 
field checking data etc. and that it had changed significantly from one 
day to the next and as the World Cup was on-going they decided to be 
very careful about what they did! The problem was put down to 
'tropospheric pressure'! (remember continental interference in the 
50's?) Amazing that we have the same sort of problem today with UHF and 
digits! Cheers, Dave

.


On 26/06/2018 19:54, John Cox via Tech1 wrote:
>
> Thank you Bill for that explanation. Several peoples radios were 
> affected (of course) here. My son in law was travelling to Devon from 
> London and had FM on his car radio for the whole journey.
>
> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for 
> Windows 10
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From relong at btinternet.com  Tue Jul  3 03:51:49 2018
From: relong at btinternet.com (Roger E Long)
Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2018 09:51:49 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Reporting a fault to BBC Eng
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References: <5b328be9.1c69fb81.b675c.3d17@mx.google.com>
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Loss of FM was due to BBC Engineering works apparently
Strangely my DAB was wobbly next day
That was sporadic E  and the troposphere
Roger

> On 26 Jun 2018, at 19:54, John Cox via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Thank you Bill for that explanation. Several peoples radios were affected (of course) here. My son in law was travelling to Devon from London and had FM on his car radio for the whole journey.
>  
> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10
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From tonynuttall at me.com  Tue Jul  3 08:07:13 2018
From: tonynuttall at me.com (William Nuttall)
Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2018 13:07:13 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: North 3 / CMCR9 on show near Manchester
References: <F12AB59B53C44558AD150ED86E050BB7@rtx100>
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Forward from Jerry Clegg

Begin forwarded message:

From: Jerry Clegg <jerry.clegg at btinternet.com>
Date: July 01, 2018 8:55:59 PM
To: Jerry Clegg <jerry.clegg at btinternet.com>
Subject: North 3 / CMCR9 on show near Manchester

Greetings All
?
North 3 will be on the road once again?next Friday and?on show?on Saturday and Sunday (7th/8th July) at the Avro Air Fair at the former Bae Woodford Airfield near Stockport. Centred on the Avro Heritage Museum, this is a new venue for us and an excellent event with lots of interest for everybody. In addition to the restored Vulcan bomber there will be full size Spitfire and Me109 replicas, a steam railway, classic buses, cars and commercials and firings up of full size aero engines from time to time. Add to that some live 40s music and a Red Arrows Simulator and a good day out is assured, and that's not to mention North 3!
?
Full details can be found on the organizer's website ?:-
?
http://avroheritagemuseum.co.uk/air-fair-2018-7th8th-july/
?
Full North 3 information can be found on Steve Harris' website? :-
?
www.vintageradio.co.uk
?
Good weather is promised and?Steve and his team of helpers will be very pleased to?meet up with?any of you who can make it.
?
kind regards
?
Jerry
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From tonys at tonyscott.org.uk  Wed Jul  4 05:49:43 2018
From: tonys at tonyscott.org.uk (Tony Scott)
Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2018 11:49:43 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] BBC Studioworks creates homes for ITV Daytime shows
Message-ID: <CAOw_4ram6aeTUKzqsHQLhsjNi+tJhWsXsuiiF+0865KSnUDbCg@mail.gmail.com>

https://www.broadcastnow.co.uk/tech/bbc-studioworks-creates-homes-for-itv-daytime-shows-/5130645.article

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From jpn at imixmics.co.uk  Thu Jul  5 04:14:24 2018
From: jpn at imixmics.co.uk (John Nottage)
Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2018 10:14:24 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [Tech1] Panasonic TV Guide gone into the future!
Message-ID: <556537072.175524.1530782064108@email.1and1.co.uk>

The tv guide on both my Pansonic TV & HDD recorder have decided it's 2021 not 2018. Turning on the TV & selecting guide gives the prog data for now - briefly. As soon as the guide refreshes after a few moments, all the progs vanish & the date changes to 24.4.21. The time seems to be correct. I've solved the problem for now on the recorder by switching the clock to manual - that seems to hold. Unfortunately, the TV doesn't have a manual option, so no guide! It was fine yesterday. My old Sony TV in the bedroom seems to be ok, so I assume it's a Panasonic thing.

Anyone else notice the same problem?

John


From jpn at imixmics.co.uk  Thu Jul  5 04:41:03 2018
From: jpn at imixmics.co.uk (John Nottage)
Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2018 10:41:03 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [Tech1] Panasonic TV Guide gone into the future!
In-Reply-To: <556537072.175524.1530782064108@email.1and1.co.uk>
References: <556537072.175524.1530782064108@email.1and1.co.uk>
Message-ID: <2027879432.177137.1530783663153@email.1and1.co.uk>

I seem to had the problem fixed by a man at Panasonic - he said to do a retune - & it's worked, so far. Hope it stays that way.

John

> On 05 July 2018 at 10:14 John Nottage via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> 
> The tv guide on both my Pansonic TV & HDD recorder have decided it's 2021 not 2018. Turning on the TV & selecting guide gives the prog data for now - briefly. As soon as the guide refreshes after a few moments, all the progs vanish & the date changes to 24.4.21. The time seems to be correct. I've solved the problem for now on the recorder by switching the clock to manual - that seems to hold. Unfortunately, the TV doesn't have a manual option, so no guide! It was fine yesterday. My old Sony TV in the bedroom seems to be ok, so I assume it's a Panasonic thing.
> 
> Anyone else notice the same problem?
> 
> John
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From dave at davesound.co.uk  Thu Jul  5 05:12:26 2018
From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman)
Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2018 11:12:26 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Panasonic TV Guide gone into the future!
In-Reply-To: <2027879432.177137.1530783663153@email.1and1.co.uk>
References: <556537072.175524.1530782064108@email.1and1.co.uk>
	<2027879432.177137.1530783663153@email.1and1.co.uk>
Message-ID: <5712caca3adave@davesound.co.uk>

In article <2027879432.177137.1530783663153 at email.1and1.co.uk>,
   John Nottage via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> I seem to had the problem fixed by a man at Panasonic - he said to do a
> retune - & it's worked, so far. Hope it stays that way.

My main TV is a Panasonic. In the London area, it seems to say 'new
stations found' (or whatever) and prompts you to re-tune on a pretty
regular basis. Which I do - and did last night.

As an aside, had a very odd problem with it. The remote started to get
iffy. Mainly buttons at the top end - the most used - sometimes needing
several pushes. TV about 3 years old.

I have a programmable remote for other things, so added the TV to it. That
worked just fine, so definitely a problem with the TV remote. 

Now being able to use the TV with the universal remote, I had nothing to
lose by taking the faulty one apart. (new genuine ones about ?35 on Ebay)

It was very wet on the top part of the PCB - all over the contacts. The
liquid was clear (on a bit of kitchen towel) no smell and slightly oily.
and a large amount - not a drop or two.

Washed it in warm soapy water, rinsed and dried. The liquid was removed
easily leaving no obvious trace. Remote now fine.

The mystery is I live on my own. And even at my advanced age do remember
if I spill something. Other thing is just what the liquid could be. Things
like coffee would have dried out in the weeks the fault was present in a
warm room. And I no longer drink alcohol, so not wine or whatever. 

Must have ghosts.

-- 
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    Dave Plowman     dave at davesound.co.uk     London SW 12
    


From mibridge at mac.com  Thu Jul  5 05:26:42 2018
From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles)
Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2018 11:26:42 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Panasonic TV Guide gone into the future!
In-Reply-To: <5712caca3adave@davesound.co.uk>
References: <556537072.175524.1530782064108@email.1and1.co.uk>
	<2027879432.177137.1530783663153@email.1and1.co.uk>
	<5712caca3adave@davesound.co.uk>
Message-ID: <C986D31D-FF1F-4015-A86D-DC6A8B20716E@mac.com>

Whatever you do, Dave, don?t taste the liquid ~~ it might have come from Russia!

Mike G

> On 5 Jul 2018, at 11:12, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> In article <2027879432.177137.1530783663153 at email.1and1.co.uk>,
>   John Nottage via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> I seem to had the problem fixed by a man at Panasonic - he said to do a
>> retune - & it's worked, so far. Hope it stays that way.
> 
> My main TV is a Panasonic. In the London area, it seems to say 'new
> stations found' (or whatever) and prompts you to re-tune on a pretty
> regular basis. Which I do - and did last night.
> 
> As an aside, had a very odd problem with it. The remote started to get
> iffy. Mainly buttons at the top end - the most used - sometimes needing
> several pushes. TV about 3 years old.
> 
> I have a programmable remote for other things, so added the TV to it. That
> worked just fine, so definitely a problem with the TV remote. 
> 
> Now being able to use the TV with the universal remote, I had nothing to
> lose by taking the faulty one apart. (new genuine ones about ?35 on Ebay)
> 
> It was very wet on the top part of the PCB - all over the contacts. The
> liquid was clear (on a bit of kitchen towel) no smell and slightly oily.
> and a large amount - not a drop or two.
> 
> Washed it in warm soapy water, rinsed and dried. The liquid was removed
> easily leaving no obvious trace. Remote now fine.
> 
> The mystery is I live on my own. And even at my advanced age do remember
> if I spill something. Other thing is just what the liquid could be. Things
> like coffee would have dried out in the weeks the fault was present in a
> warm room. And I no longer drink alcohol, so not wine or whatever. 
> 
> Must have ghosts.
> 
> -- 
> *Two many clicks spoil the browse *
> 
>    Dave Plowman     dave at davesound.co.uk     London SW 12
> 
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From waresound at msn.com  Thu Jul  5 09:13:32 2018
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2018 14:13:32 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Panasonic TV Guide gone into the future!
In-Reply-To: <5712caca3adave@davesound.co.uk>
References: <556537072.175524.1530782064108@email.1and1.co.uk>
	<2027879432.177137.1530783663153@email.1and1.co.uk>,
	<5712caca3adave@davesound.co.uk>
Message-ID: <DB7P192MB031343BDA2D99F99A9C0C4A6A7400@DB7P192MB0313.EURP192.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

Wee? ?

Sent from my iPad

On 5 Jul 2018, at 11:13, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk<mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:


[snip]
The mystery is I live on my own. And even at my advanced age do remember
if I spill something. Other thing is just what the liquid could be. Things
like coffee would have dried out in the weeks the fault was present in a
warm room. And I no longer drink alcohol, so not wine or whatever.

Must have ghosts.

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From patheigham at amps.net  Thu Jul  5 09:44:08 2018
From: patheigham at amps.net (patrickheigham)
Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2018 15:44:08 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Panasonic TV Guide gone into the future!
In-Reply-To: <5712caca3adave@davesound.co.uk>
References: <556537072.175524.1530782064108@email.1and1.co.uk><2027879432.177137.1530783663153@email.1and1.co.uk>
	<5712caca3adave@davesound.co.uk>
Message-ID: <660AC02A57EC4D9788113210347CAC10@PATRICKSONY>

I believe that good solution to drying out moisture
in electonic gadgets is to bury them in a bowl of rice!
(No not fried!)

Pat

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave Plowman via Tech1" <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
To: <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2018 11:12 AM
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Panasonic TV Guide gone into the future!


In article <2027879432.177137.1530783663153 at email.1and1.co.uk>,
   John Nottage via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> I seem to had the problem fixed by a man at Panasonic - he said to do a
> retune - & it's worked, so far. Hope it stays that way.

My main TV is a Panasonic. In the London area, it seems to say 'new
stations found' (or whatever) and prompts you to re-tune on a pretty
regular basis. Which I do - and did last night.

As an aside, had a very odd problem with it. The remote started to get
iffy. Mainly buttons at the top end - the most used - sometimes needing
several pushes. TV about 3 years old.

I have a programmable remote for other things, so added the TV to it. That
worked just fine, so definitely a problem with the TV remote.

Now being able to use the TV with the universal remote, I had nothing to
lose by taking the faulty one apart. (new genuine ones about ?35 on Ebay)

It was very wet on the top part of the PCB - all over the contacts. The
liquid was clear (on a bit of kitchen towel) no smell and slightly oily.
and a large amount - not a drop or two.

Washed it in warm soapy water, rinsed and dried. The liquid was removed
easily leaving no obvious trace. Remote now fine.

The mystery is I live on my own. And even at my advanced age do remember
if I spill something. Other thing is just what the liquid could be. Things
like coffee would have dried out in the weeks the fault was present in a
warm room. And I no longer drink alcohol, so not wine or whatever.

Must have ghosts.

-- 
*Two many clicks spoil the browse *

    Dave Plowman     dave at davesound.co.uk     London SW 12


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From patheigham at amps.net  Thu Jul  5 09:51:18 2018
From: patheigham at amps.net (patrickheigham)
Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2018 15:51:18 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Panasonic TV Guide gone into the future!
In-Reply-To: <556537072.175524.1530782064108@email.1and1.co.uk>
References: <556537072.175524.1530782064108@email.1and1.co.uk>
Message-ID: <4FEF60B50A6C47EA8969A30604CB32C0@PATRICKSONY>

I attempted to access the Red button on my Samsung Smart TV.
(for the tennis)
Nuffin' but accessing via the actual channel number
think it was 601 on Freeview, gave
me all the court choices.
Why isn't this announced by the presenters?

Technology is overcome by us Tech-Ops people,
but for the poor viewing public?

Pat




----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Nottage via Tech1" <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
To: <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2018 10:14 AM
Subject: [Tech1] Panasonic TV Guide gone into the future!


> The tv guide on both my Pansonic TV & HDD recorder have decided it's 2021 
> not 2018. Turning on the TV & selecting guide gives the prog data for 
> now - briefly. As soon as the guide refreshes after a few moments, all the 
> progs vanish & the date changes to 24.4.21. The time seems to be correct. 
> I've solved the problem for now on the recorder by switching the clock to 
> manual - that seems to hold. Unfortunately, the TV doesn't have a manual 
> option, so no guide! It was fine yesterday. My old Sony TV in the bedroom 
> seems to be ok, so I assume it's a Panasonic thing.
>
> Anyone else notice the same problem?
>
> John


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From dave at davesound.co.uk  Thu Jul  5 18:11:49 2018
From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman)
Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2018 00:11:49 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] [SUSPECT] Re:  Panasonic TV Guide gone into the future!
In-Reply-To: <660AC02A57EC4D9788113210347CAC10@PATRICKSONY>
References: <556537072.175524.1530782064108@email.1and1.co.uk><2027879432.177137.1530783663153@email.1and1.co.uk>
	<5712caca3adave@davesound.co.uk>
	<660AC02A57EC4D9788113210347CAC10@PATRICKSONY>
Message-ID: <5713122504dave@davesound.co.uk>

In article <660AC02A57EC4D9788113210347CAC10 at PATRICKSONY>,
   patrickheigham <patheigham at amps.net> wrote:
> I believe that good solution to drying out moisture
> in electonic gadgets is to bury them in a bowl of rice!

You've been watching too many cheap TV shows. ;-)

Strip and wash out. Then dry carefully. Things like drinks can contain
sugar which can conduct when dried out, if not removed.

-- 
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    Dave Plowman     dave at davesound.co.uk     London SW 12
    


From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Fri Jul  6 19:43:52 2018
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2018 01:43:52 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] VR
Message-ID: <7752b3c2-b566-d6ba-e977-4652f025b0ec@btinternet.com>

At a recent trade show I acquired a couple of cardboard VR viewers into 
which you could insert your mobile phone and be transported to amazing 
places!(it says on the blurb!) Does anyone have a good site that I could 
use to transport her ladyship to somewhere else with my mobile in such a 
viewer? Cheers, Dave



From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Fri Jul  6 19:49:38 2018
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2018 01:49:38 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Audio CD
Message-ID: <0f6b09e6-8096-bf87-31f9-2048fc9b41f9@btinternet.com>

I have just downloaded an? audio CD from a newsgroup and the only sound 
on playback is white-noise! Why? This is my usual method of getting my 
CDs so? what could? have gone wrong? Cheers, Dave



From keithwicksuk at gmail.com  Sat Jul  7 01:45:37 2018
From: keithwicksuk at gmail.com (Keith Wicks)
Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2018 07:45:37 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Audio CD
In-Reply-To: <0f6b09e6-8096-bf87-31f9-2048fc9b41f9@btinternet.com>
References: <0f6b09e6-8096-bf87-31f9-2048fc9b41f9@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <CAA=qGJkXweT9N-T6RLDvUgg5BfMym7dWORsXuCiMXZ24wN7Znw@mail.gmail.com>

You don't tell us what the CD is supposed to contain. There are many places
that offer white noise for download.
"White noise can help you and/or your baby sleep." See:
https://www.babysleepsite.com/free-white-noise-mp3s-download/
KW

On 7 July 2018 at 01:49, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

> I have just downloaded an  audio CD from a newsgroup and the only sound on
> playback is white-noise! Why? This is my usual method of getting my CDs so
> what could  have gone wrong? Cheers, Dave
>
>
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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Sat Jul  7 03:59:20 2018
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2018 09:59:20 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Audio CD
In-Reply-To: <CAA=qGJkXweT9N-T6RLDvUgg5BfMym7dWORsXuCiMXZ24wN7Znw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <0f6b09e6-8096-bf87-31f9-2048fc9b41f9@btinternet.com>
	<CAA=qGJkXweT9N-T6RLDvUgg5BfMym7dWORsXuCiMXZ24wN7Znw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <966cb0d6-05db-0842-8448-f3f0169eee42@gmail.com>

When my younger son - now 24 - was small we ran the vacuum cleaner to 
get him to sleep - till I had a very brainy idea. "Let's record it!" 
(Duh!) Somewhere i have a Phillips cassette of pinkish noise.

B



On 07/07/2018 07:45, Keith Wicks via Tech1 wrote:
> You don't tell us what the CD is supposed to contain. There are many 
> places that offer white noise for download.
> "White noise can help you and/or your baby sleep." See:
> https://www.babysleepsite.com/free-white-noise-mp3s-download/
> KW
>
> On 7 July 2018 at 01:49, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk 
> <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:
>
>     I have just downloaded an? audio CD from a newsgroup and the only
>     sound on playback is white-noise! Why? This is my usual method of
>     getting my CDs so? what could? have gone wrong? Cheers, Dave
>
>
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From mibridge at mac.com  Sat Jul  7 04:07:13 2018
From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles)
Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2018 10:07:13 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Audio CD
In-Reply-To: <CAA=qGJkXweT9N-T6RLDvUgg5BfMym7dWORsXuCiMXZ24wN7Znw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <0f6b09e6-8096-bf87-31f9-2048fc9b41f9@btinternet.com>
	<CAA=qGJkXweT9N-T6RLDvUgg5BfMym7dWORsXuCiMXZ24wN7Znw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5ED97A95-236A-42C1-B279-DFE9ABFC2E95@mac.com>

Obviously a fake news group, Dave!

Mike G

> On 7 Jul 2018, at 07:45, Keith Wicks via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> You don't tell us what the CD is supposed to contain. There are many places that offer white noise for download.
> "White noise can help you and/or your baby sleep." See:
> https://www.babysleepsite.com/free-white-noise-mp3s-download/
> KW
> 
>> On 7 July 2018 at 01:49, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> I have just downloaded an  audio CD from a newsgroup and the only sound on playback is white-noise! Why? This is my usual method of getting my CDs so  what could  have gone wrong? Cheers, Dave
>> 
>> 
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From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com  Sun Jul  8 06:43:54 2018
From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray)
Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2018 12:43:54 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Engineering Reprint: Tape Equilization
Message-ID: <3e4ade1e-b196-bcf0-dabb-95c65ea08f05@gmail.com>

Hi All,

Here is another of the late 1960's Engineering Department Reprints: this 
one is for those of SOUND mind :-)

Equalization for Tape Recording and Reproduction


Unlike most of the Engineering Department reprints that I have, this one 
had a wrapper in PINK, not Yellow - I don't know if there was any 
significance to the colour of the reprint cover !?



I've linked 1 file to this email:
Equalization for Tape Recording and Reproduction.pdf 
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Mozilla Thunderbird <http://www.getthunderbird.com> makes it easy to 
share large files over email.


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From alawrance1 at me.com  Sun Jul  8 08:33:10 2018
From: alawrance1 at me.com (Alasdair Lawrance)
Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2018 14:33:10 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Engineering Reprint: Tape Equilization
In-Reply-To: <3e4ade1e-b196-bcf0-dabb-95c65ea08f05@gmail.com>
References: <3e4ade1e-b196-bcf0-dabb-95c65ea08f05@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D90EDBF5-DBD2-45D7-BD0D-1BE73D3DB1A5@me.com>

Speaking of SOUND, did anyone else pick this up <https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2018/may/29/john-gozzard-obituary> from the Grauniad?


Alasdair Lawrance
alawrance1 at me.com






On 8 Jul 2018, at 12:43, Alec Bray via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

Hi All,

Here is another of the late 1960's Engineering Department Reprints: this one is for those of SOUND mind :-)
Equalization for Tape Recording and Reproduction


Unlike most of the Engineering Department reprints that I have, this one had a wrapper in PINK, not Yellow - I don't know if there was any significance to the colour of the reprint cover !?


I've linked 1 file to this email:
<bmeangamjmocphae.png>Equalization for Tape Recording and Reproduction.pdf <https://app.box.com/s/jh6kngec85uzp3dz5f6w3x7xonoxpg3v>(9.7 MB)<box-logo.png>Box <https://www.box.com/thunderbird>https://app.box.com/s/jh6kngec85uzp3dz5f6w3x7xonoxpg3v
 <https://app.box.com/s/jh6kngec85uzp3dz5f6w3x7xonoxpg3v>
Mozilla Thunderbird <http://www.getthunderbird.com/> makes it easy to share large files over email.

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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Mon Jul  9 04:22:36 2018
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2018 10:22:36 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Switching
Message-ID: <0235ae24-27a8-79d8-e80d-5bc0239c32c6@btinternet.com>

Are there any energy supply switchers among our correspondents? I am 
with EDF on their standard variable rate dual-fuel tariff (which Martin 
Lewis advises is the worst choice!) Does anyone have a favourite 
supplier,? and was switching worth the effort? Cheers, Dave



From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk  Mon Jul  9 04:42:18 2018
From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf)
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2018 10:42:18 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Switching
In-Reply-To: <0235ae24-27a8-79d8-e80d-5bc0239c32c6@btinternet.com>
References: <0235ae24-27a8-79d8-e80d-5bc0239c32c6@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <3b8f0b4b-981e-c1d8-0696-31e30eb70617@chriswoolf.co.uk>

You need to ask yourself this question first - are you going for the 
cheapest tariff, irrespective of quality of service or ethics? Or would 
you perhaps pay a slightly higher price but have much less hassle with 
service queries, and maybe a clearer conscience?

EDF's standard variable tariff is a lousy answer to both questions, so 
switching is a good idea, but you need to work out which direction to go in.

Chris Woolf


On 09/07/2018 10:22, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote:
> Are there any energy supply switchers among our correspondents? I am 
> with EDF on their standard variable rate dual-fuel tariff (which 
> Martin Lewis advises is the worst choice!) Does anyone have a 
> favourite supplier,? and was switching worth the effort? Cheers, Dave
>
>


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From trevor551 at btinternet.com  Mon Jul  9 04:41:57 2018
From: trevor551 at btinternet.com (TREVOR VAISEY)
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2018 09:41:57 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tech1] Tariff Switching
References: <1617009052.1855343.1531129317558.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1617009052.1855343.1531129317558@mail.yahoo.com>

Hi Dave
I've just switched from Scottish Power to the rather strangely named 'Bulb' and according to Martin Lewis (and others) I should save about ?300 a year. The switching process was easy so time will tell if it was worth it.?Cheers - Trev
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From graeme.wall at icloud.com  Mon Jul  9 04:48:57 2018
From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall)
Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2018 10:48:57 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Switching
In-Reply-To: <3b8f0b4b-981e-c1d8-0696-31e30eb70617@chriswoolf.co.uk>
References: <0235ae24-27a8-79d8-e80d-5bc0239c32c6@btinternet.com>
	<3b8f0b4b-981e-c1d8-0696-31e30eb70617@chriswoolf.co.uk>
Message-ID: <6C0B4336-FF52-42F4-9131-3CC4302AA9F0@icloud.com>

I?m with BG who are quite good on service though I don?t know how you'd rate their ethics.
? 
Graeme Wall





> On 9 Jul 2018, at 10:42, Chris Woolf via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> You need to ask yourself this question first - are you going for the cheapest tariff, irrespective of quality of service or ethics? Or would you perhaps pay a slightly higher price but have much less hassle with service queries, and maybe a clearer conscience?
> 
> EDF's standard variable tariff is a lousy answer to both questions, so switching is a good idea, but you need to work out which direction to go in.
> 
> Chris Woolf
> 
> 
> On 09/07/2018 10:22, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote:
>> Are there any energy supply switchers among our correspondents? I am with EDF on their standard variable rate dual-fuel tariff (which Martin Lewis advises is the worst choice!) Does anyone have a favourite supplier,  and was switching worth the effort? Cheers, Dave
>> 
>> 
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From dave at davesound.co.uk  Mon Jul  9 04:45:34 2018
From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman)
Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2018 10:45:34 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Switching
In-Reply-To: <0235ae24-27a8-79d8-e80d-5bc0239c32c6@btinternet.com>
References: <0235ae24-27a8-79d8-e80d-5bc0239c32c6@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <5714d7ac59dave@davesound.co.uk>

In article <0235ae24-27a8-79d8-e80d-5bc0239c32c6 at btinternet.com>,
   dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> Are there any energy supply switchers among our correspondents? I am 
> with EDF on their standard variable rate dual-fuel tariff (which Martin 
> Lewis advises is the worst choice!) Does anyone have a favourite 
> supplier,  and was switching worth the effort? Cheers, Dave


I went with Flipper. After hearing about it on R4. They don't take any
commission from a company, unlike the comparative sites. Instead, you pay
an annual fee - but only if they can save you more than it. They also do
all the paperwork to swap things for you, so pretty well painless.

Oddly, they sort of went bankrupt. But have been taken over and things
seem to be just as they were. Regular email assessments of the deal
they've currently got you on, and if they can find better.

Of course you could do all that yourself and save the fee. But as with
using a decent accountant after going freelance, I found it easier to
leave it to someone who knows what they're doing, and pay them.

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From geoffreyhawkes at btinternet.com  Mon Jul  9 04:55:03 2018
From: geoffreyhawkes at btinternet.com (Geoffrey Hawkes)
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2018 10:55:03 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Switching
In-Reply-To: <0235ae24-27a8-79d8-e80d-5bc0239c32c6@btinternet.com>
References: <0235ae24-27a8-79d8-e80d-5bc0239c32c6@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <221AE81E-39A6-48A1-9B24-793759B28487@btinternet.com>

Dear Dave,
After many years of doing nothing about it and just paying the bills, I switched from a twin tariff on SSE to a duel fuel on with EON in February and am saving ?20 a month fixed for one year, so it was worth doing. I used one of the comparison websites, uSwitch(?) to look for the best offer and just went for it.
It's a bit like savings accounts and how much effort you want to put in to swapping things around when most offer next to nothing anyway and you can't tell how long the benefits will last.
Hope you find something suitable,
Regards,
Geoff Hawkes

Sent from my iPad

> On 9 Jul 2018, at 10:22, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Are there any energy supply switchers among our correspondents? I am with EDF on their standard variable rate dual-fuel tariff (which Martin Lewis advises is the worst choice!) Does anyone have a favourite supplier,  and was switching worth the effort? Cheers, Dave
> 
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From brian.curtis.bluesky at gmail.com  Mon Jul  9 05:06:48 2018
From: brian.curtis.bluesky at gmail.com (Brian Curtis)
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2018 11:06:48 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Switching
In-Reply-To: <0235ae24-27a8-79d8-e80d-5bc0239c32c6@btinternet.com>
References: <0235ae24-27a8-79d8-e80d-5bc0239c32c6@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <CAGVa-Qf66EfwmQ+qC8kq8yzOOS3hAqo7HUiNftV26d9kjRZHpw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Dave

I was with EDF when I was on the mainland (because they originally did
Nectar points which was useful) but when I move to the Isle of Wight about
4 years ago the supplier was ECOtricity, a committed "green energy
provider" (they are developing "wind and solar farms" - which I liked) so I
stayed with them for 3 years. Pretty competitive too!

However the "domestic management" decided that I should have a look for
"cheaper" suppliers (irrespective of "green values". So I used
MoneySupermarket (Martin Lewis outfit I think) and was pleased and
surprised that Bulb (a new supplier with "green values") was Top and
cheaper! So I swapped and saved about ?600 per year!

So that's my story, take it or leave it!

Cheers

Brian

On 9 July 2018 at 10:22, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

> Are there any energy supply switchers among our correspondents? I am with
> EDF on their standard variable rate dual-fuel tariff (which Martin Lewis
> advises is the worst choice!) Does anyone have a favourite supplier,  and
> was switching worth the effort? Cheers, Dave
>
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From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk  Mon Jul  9 05:27:57 2018
From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf)
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2018 11:27:57 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Switching
In-Reply-To: <CAGVa-Qf66EfwmQ+qC8kq8yzOOS3hAqo7HUiNftV26d9kjRZHpw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <0235ae24-27a8-79d8-e80d-5bc0239c32c6@btinternet.com>
	<CAGVa-Qf66EfwmQ+qC8kq8yzOOS3hAqo7HUiNftV26d9kjRZHpw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e43f20ae-4a0e-14bc-5c6a-f45737cfa4ee@chriswoolf.co.uk>

Ecotricity is certainly a good company to deal with. You get very 
sensible people answering queries and minimal hassle. They are not the 
cheapest because of their investment in green energy, and because they 
don't employ scripted call centres to keep complaints at bay.

I understand that Good Energy follows similar lines.

The very small new suppliers, like Bulb, often offer cheaper rates, 
though they may be fragile - Future Energy and GB Energy evaporated all 
too quickly. While that is initially not too scary - customers get 
switched to a new supplier - you then have to get yourself back out of 
the hands of the grasping giants. There are also some ... imbalances.... 
in the levies on different sized suppliers. That includes the ludicrous 
"renewables" levy on all suppliers, including those that specifically 
source all their supplies from renewables - something that pushed up the 
cost of Ecotricity, probably because it was doing too good a job.

Chris Woolf


On 09/07/2018 11:06, Brian Curtis via Tech1 wrote:
> Hi Dave
>
> I was with EDF when I was on the mainland (because they originally did 
> Nectar points which was useful) but when I move to the Isle of Wight 
> about 4 years ago the supplier was ECOtricity, a committed "green 
> energy provider" (they are developing "wind and solar farms" - which I 
> liked) so I stayed with them for 3 years. Pretty competitive too!
>
> However the "domestic management" decided that I should have a look 
> for "cheaper" suppliers (irrespective of "green values". So I used 
> MoneySupermarket (Martin Lewis outfit I think) and was pleased and 
> surprised that Bulb (a new supplier with "green values") was Top and 
> cheaper! So I swapped and saved about ?600 per year!
>
> So that's my story, take it or leave it!
>
> Cheers
>
> Brian
>
> On 9 July 2018 at 10:22, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk 
> <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:
>
>     Are there any energy supply switchers among our correspondents? I
>     am with EDF on their standard variable rate dual-fuel tariff
>     (which Martin Lewis advises is the worst choice!) Does anyone have
>     a favourite supplier,? and was switching worth the effort? Cheers,
>     Dave
>
>
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From brian.curtis.bluesky at gmail.com  Mon Jul  9 07:22:41 2018
From: brian.curtis.bluesky at gmail.com (Brian Curtis)
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2018 13:22:41 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Switching
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Chris

I agree with you absolutely! Too many vested interests are trying to
squeeze suppliers like Bulb and ECOtricity. Which is a shame.

Brian

On 9 July 2018 at 11:27, Chris Woolf via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

> Ecotricity is certainly a good company to deal with. You get very sensible
> people answering queries and minimal hassle. They are not the cheapest
> because of their investment in green energy, and because they don't employ
> scripted call centres to keep complaints at bay.
>
> I understand that Good Energy follows similar lines.
>
> The very small new suppliers, like Bulb, often offer cheaper rates, though
> they may be fragile - Future Energy and GB Energy evaporated all too
> quickly. While that is initially not too scary - customers get switched to
> a new supplier - you then have to get yourself back out of the hands of the
> grasping giants. There are also some ... imbalances.... in the levies on
> different sized suppliers. That includes the ludicrous "renewables" levy on
> all suppliers, including those that specifically source all their supplies
> from renewables - something that pushed up the cost of Ecotricity, probably
> because it was doing too good a job.
>
> Chris Woolf
>
> On 09/07/2018 11:06, Brian Curtis via Tech1 wrote:
>
> Hi Dave
>
> I was with EDF when I was on the mainland (because they originally did
> Nectar points which was useful) but when I move to the Isle of Wight about
> 4 years ago the supplier was ECOtricity, a committed "green energy
> provider" (they are developing "wind and solar farms" - which I liked) so I
> stayed with them for 3 years. Pretty competitive too!
>
> However the "domestic management" decided that I should have a look for
> "cheaper" suppliers (irrespective of "green values". So I used
> MoneySupermarket (Martin Lewis outfit I think) and was pleased and
> surprised that Bulb (a new supplier with "green values") was Top and
> cheaper! So I swapped and saved about ?600 per year!
>
> So that's my story, take it or leave it!
>
> Cheers
>
> Brian
>
> On 9 July 2018 at 10:22, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> Are there any energy supply switchers among our correspondents? I am with
>> EDF on their standard variable rate dual-fuel tariff (which Martin Lewis
>> advises is the worst choice!) Does anyone have a favourite supplier,  and
>> was switching worth the effort? Cheers, Dave
>>
>>
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From waresound at msn.com  Mon Jul  9 08:43:00 2018
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2018 13:43:00 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Tariff Switching
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About nine months ago I used Uswitch to switch from British Gas (gas and electricity) to Bulb. I find Bulb?s communication faultless, and am on target to save a promised ?1000 p.a.
Have recommended several friends and family to switch to Bulb, and each time got a ?50 rebate, and so did they.
Cheers,
Nick.

Sent from my iPad

On 9 Jul 2018, at 10:46, TREVOR VAISEY via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk<mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:

Hi Dave

I've just switched from Scottish Power to the rather strangely named 'Bulb' and according to Martin Lewis (and others) I should save about ?300 a year. The switching process was easy so time will tell if it was worth it.
Cheers - Trev
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From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk  Mon Jul  9 09:02:08 2018
From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf)
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2018 15:02:08 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Tariff Switching
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You may well be on to a good thing, Nick. However these small firms 
which offer such good deals, and "bribe" customers to recommend their 
friends in order to get customer numbers up quickly, should have their 
business models watched carefully. The majority run neat systems that 
take a relatively high initial payment and, effectively, live off your 
debit balance. That can make comparisons a little harder to evaluate.

And while I'm certainly not accusing Bulb of this, you can see the 
similarities to a pyramid or Ponzi scheme in the way some of these 
companies set themselves up.

The great difficulty, of course, is that these companies are all selling 
the same thing. The only difference is their billing arrangements, and 
their system of trying to buy energy on credit. The smaller, more agile 
ones may be able to game the system effectively and share the profits 
with you; or they may be no more than short term shysters...

Chris Woolf


On 09/07/2018 14:43, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote:
> About nine months ago I used Uswitch to switch from British Gas (gas 
> and electricity) to Bulb. I find Bulb?s communication faultless, and 
> am on target to save a promised ?1000 p.a.
> Have recommended several friends and family to switch to Bulb, and 
> each time got a ?50 rebate, and so did they.
> Cheers,
> Nick.
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On 9 Jul 2018, at 10:46, TREVOR VAISEY via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk 
> <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:
>
>> Hi Dave
>>
>> I've just switched from Scottish Power to the rather strangely named 
>> 'Bulb' and according to Martin Lewis (and others) I should save about 
>> ?300 a year. The switching process was easy so time will tell if it 
>> was worth it.
>> Cheers - Trev
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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Mon Jul  9 09:40:14 2018
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2018 15:40:14 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Switching
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Message-ID: <3de365f9-fc2a-c3c0-bb5b-8e65d2ec931d@btinternet.com>

Thanks, Geoff, sensible advice as usual. Cheers, Daev


On 09/07/2018 10:55, Geoffrey Hawkes wrote:
> Dear Dave,
> After many years of doing nothing about it and just paying the bills, I switched from a twin tariff on SSE to a duel fuel on with EON in February and am saving ?20 a month fixed for one year, so it was worth doing. I used one of the comparison websites, uSwitch(?) to look for the best offer and just went for it.
> It's a bit like savings accounts and how much effort you want to put in to swapping things around when most offer next to nothing anyway and you can't tell how long the benefits will last.
> Hope you find something suitable,
> Regards,
> Geoff Hawkes
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On 9 Jul 2018, at 10:22, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> Are there any energy supply switchers among our correspondents? I am with EDF on their standard variable rate dual-fuel tariff (which Martin Lewis advises is the worst choice!) Does anyone have a favourite supplier,  and was switching worth the effort? Cheers, Dave
>>
>>
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From johnhcox at gmail.com  Mon Jul  9 11:09:28 2018
From: johnhcox at gmail.com (John Cox)
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2018 17:09:28 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Rycote Windshields
Message-ID: <5b4388aa.1c69fb81.60f41.19bf@mx.google.com>

I am sorry to hear that the inventor of the Rycote Windshield has died. John Gozzard may never have known how useful it was.
  Once while covering lawn tennis at Queens Tennis Club, Jimmy Connors was furious because he had lost a point that he took his anger out by giving the nearest object to him (the Rycote Windshield which was on the Umpires chair) a mighty whack with his racquet. This broke the suspension inside but the 416 microphone survived. We could not use this microphone any more that day. I could not repair the windshield on site, therefore I took it home. Imagine my wife?s surprise when I asked her ?could I have some Knicker elastic?? It had the correct tension!!                           To replace the suspension in the windshield!

  In November 1972 we recorded ?An Evening with Marlene Dietrich? at the New London Theatre, now The Gillian Lynne Theatre. Marlene brought her own management people including Lighting Designer Joe Davis who worked with our top Lighting man Tommy  Thomas,
  At the recorded rehearsal on stage we used  the latest microphone we had in OBs, this was an AKG D25 which was rather large and suspended in thick wire gimbals. The microphone obscured a lot of Marlene and naturally she didn?t like it. After a long day what were we to do? Fortunately we had AKG C451s with us but how could we hide the cable feed? The solution was obvious, take it home and rewire it through the hollow mic stand. This I did carrying the stand and long cable on the underground and train home and back again next day, the microphone and stand are clearly visible on the You Tube clip. Back inside the scanner I was amazed to see this elderly lady watching the recording made the day before of a slinky girl in a pink dress!

 This show was definitely recorded in London and not elsewhere as suggested on You Tube.

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From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com  Mon Jul  9 11:29:54 2018
From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray)
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2018 17:29:54 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Engineering Bept Reprint: Plumbicon Comparison 1966
Message-ID: <6ee44028-e878-2d3c-358a-663136f9ff24@gmail.com>

Hi All,

Following the brief excursion into the land of Sound, it's back to pictures.

This is a reprint, made available through the BBC Engineering Department 
reprint service, of a Philips Technical Review article, entitled: "The 
Plumbicon compared with other television camera tubes".? Since Philips 
developed the Plumbicon, this may not be as unbiased as we would hope - 
and it did not come in the nice ED coloured wrapper!


Enjoy! ...

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From ohbytheway.tv at gmail.com  Mon Jul  9 13:20:39 2018
From: ohbytheway.tv at gmail.com (David Denness)
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2018 19:20:39 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Switching
In-Reply-To: <0235ae24-27a8-79d8-e80d-5bc0239c32c6@btinternet.com>
References: <0235ae24-27a8-79d8-e80d-5bc0239c32c6@btinternet.com>
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We switched several years ago to OVO, based in Bristol, and could not be happier. Installed a smart meter without any problems, a good deal cheaper than the big 6 and faultless customer service
Dave D

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Sent: 09 July 2018 10:23
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: [Tech1] Switching

Are there any energy supply switchers among our correspondents? I am with EDF on their standard variable rate dual-fuel tariff (which Martin Lewis advises is the worst choice!) Does anyone have a favourite supplier,  and was switching worth the effort? Cheers, Dave


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From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk  Tue Jul 10 03:35:36 2018
From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2018 09:35:36 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Rycote Windshields
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References: <5b4388aa.1c69fb81.60f41.19bf@mx.google.com>
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On 09/07/2018 17:09, John Cox via Tech1 wrote:
>
> I am sorry to hear that the inventor of the Rycote Windshield has 
> died. John Gozzard may never have known how useful it was.
>
Oh John knew what he had started, OK.

However he was a somewhat "British" inventor - proud of eccentricity, 
and not always as self-critical as would have been helpful. He retired 
from the company around 1995 and sold it to what was, in effect, a 
management buy-out. Vivienne Dyer had been his general manager, and had 
been the driving force behind the marketing of the products for some 
time. She really deserves the most credit for the Rycote brand.

I was asked to come and help Vivienne design new equipment for the 
company, and solve the problem of making the knicker elastic suspensions 
that were difficult to knot, and didn't last for any length of time. 
Working with Vivienne was a real joy, and she was the one who kept 
pressing for new developments, beyond the original product. So for the 
last 20 odd years most of the design faults have been down to me;}

Vivienne retired a few years back, and I backed out of working for the 
company last year.

Chris Woolf



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From ian.hillson at gmail.com  Tue Jul 10 05:35:02 2018
From: ian.hillson at gmail.com (Ian H)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2018 11:35:02 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Engineering Bept Reprint: Plumbicon Comparison 1966
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I found the spectral response curves interesting.
Purely from the point of view that Angela Rippon's choice of clothing
colours often fell between the gaps in the curves! ?

?

On Mon, Jul 9, 2018 at 5:29 PM, Alec Bray via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> Following the brief excursion into the land of Sound, it's back to
> pictures.
>
> This is a reprint, made available through the BBC Engineering Department
> reprint service, of a Philips Technical Review article, entitled: "The
> Plumbicon compared with other television camera tubes".  Since Philips
> developed the Plumbicon, this may not be as unbiased as we would hope - and
> it did not come in the nice ED coloured wrapper!
>
>
> Enjoy! ...
> I've linked 1 file to this email:
> Plumbicon_comparison_1966.pdf
> <https://app.box.com/s/lv4vx3jj3nnbs0cyusnqzpdwiuu13hp6>(21.2 MB)Box
> <https://www.box.com/thunderbird>https://app.box.com/s/
> lv4vx3jj3nnbs0cyusnqzpdwiuu13hp6
> Mozilla Thunderbird <http://www.getthunderbird.com> makes it easy to
> share large files over email.
>
>
> --
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> Best Regards
>
> Alec
>
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From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com  Tue Jul 10 11:40:34 2018
From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2018 17:40:34 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] BBC Technical Induction Course Jan 1963
Message-ID: <91c943a4-cdb8-710a-8858-b199661e3db8@gmail.com>

Hi all,

Yo!? Clearing out the loft prior to moving, I found my BBC Induction 
Course timetable, duly attached!

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From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com  Tue Jul 10 11:51:02 2018
From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2018 17:51:02 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] BBC Engineering Dept: Strand Lighting Dimmer Board C/BBC
Message-ID: <912607b7-1237-3186-22e5-bd187ba24c69@gmail.com>

Hi all,

Another goodie from the BBC Engineering Department, describing the 
technology of the late 1960s....

This does not seem to be an official reprint, as there is no cover and 
identifier.? It's more like a straight instruction sheet on how to use 
the dimmer panel.

The title is "Strand System C/BBC"? This would imply that the System C 
had been modified for BBC use - i.e. customer specific. (However, as IT 
systems don't generally like slashes in filenames (especially 
Linux/Unix) I've changed the filename to use underscores.)

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I must have got this when I was seconded to Vision Control.

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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Tue Jul 10 13:15:51 2018
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2018 19:15:51 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] slashes
In-Reply-To: <912607b7-1237-3186-22e5-bd187ba24c69@gmail.com>
References: <912607b7-1237-3186-22e5-bd187ba24c69@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e73f0e8b-5e5c-a629-a327-a0cc3f4875a2@btinternet.com>

The problem with replacing them with underscores is that when Windows 
underlines the URL they disappear and one isn't quite sure whether there 
is meant to be a space or an underscore! Hyphens might be better. 
Cheers, Dave


On 10/07/2018 17:51, Alec Bray via Tech1 wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> Another goodie from the BBC Engineering Department, describing the 
> technology of the late 1960s....
>
> This does not seem to be an official reprint, as there is no cover and 
> identifier.? It's more like a straight instruction sheet on how to use 
> the dimmer panel.
>
> The title is "Strand System C/BBC"? This would imply that the System C 
> had been modified for BBC use - i.e. customer specific.? (However, as 
> IT systems don't generally like slashes in filenames? (especially 
> Linux/Unix) I've changed the filename to use underscores.)
>
> I've linked 1 file to this email:
> Strand_System_C_BBC.pdf 
> <https://app.box.com/s/e3ufpgu0utc0lev9q9lkqevozrc8hk65>(10.2 MB)Box 
> <https://www.box.com/thunderbird>https://app.box.com/s/e3ufpgu0utc0lev9q9lkqevozrc8hk65
> Mozilla Thunderbird <http://www.getthunderbird.com> makes it easy to 
> share large files over email.
>
> I must have got this when I was seconded to Vision Control.
>
> -- 
>
> Best Regards
>
> Alec
>
> Alec Bray
>
> alec.bray.2 at gmail.com
> mob:     07789 561 346
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From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com  Wed Jul 11 01:07:57 2018
From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2018 07:07:57 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] slashes
In-Reply-To: <e73f0e8b-5e5c-a629-a327-a0cc3f4875a2@btinternet.com>
References: <912607b7-1237-3186-22e5-bd187ba24c69@gmail.com>
	<e73f0e8b-5e5c-a629-a327-a0cc3f4875a2@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <779c2cd8-387e-3bcd-166c-a65f350ff261@gmail.com>

Hi,


On 10/07/2018 19:15, dave.mdv wrote:
> underscores ... when Windows underlines the URL they disappear


Point taken, Dave: the underscore default comes from my 25 years in the 
world of computing mostly with Unix and Linux ...

Some non-alphanumeric characters act as control characters in control 
line and shell scripts, and other characters act as "escape" characters 
to tell the system to accept the character that comes next as a 
"printable" character, not a control character. Once I had a script that 
had, in one command,? EIGHT slashes in a row!

-- 

Best Regards

Alec

Alec Bray

alec.bray.2 at gmail.com
mob:     07789 561 346
home:  0118 942 9543



From bernie833 at gmail.com  Wed Jul 11 04:03:56 2018
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2018 10:03:56 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Rycote Windshields
In-Reply-To: <d3c96445-7875-acc5-f2ac-723cac781a17@chriswoolf.co.uk>
References: <5b4388aa.1c69fb81.60f41.19bf@mx.google.com>
	<d3c96445-7875-acc5-f2ac-723cac781a17@chriswoolf.co.uk>
Message-ID: <bd73cb25-abf3-c647-54e5-136a854c78e6@ntlworld.com>

And a lot of people have cause to be endlessly grateful, I've been 
buying, using and recommending Rycote Softies since the ninties. Given 
the numbers that BBC and RTE production bought on my say so, I should 
have had shares (though that would have been unethical).

B



On 10/07/2018 09:35, Chris Woolf via Tech1 wrote:
>
> On 09/07/2018 17:09, John Cox via Tech1 wrote:
>>
>> I am sorry to hear that the inventor of the Rycote Windshield has 
>> died. John Gozzard may never have known how useful it was.
>>
> Oh John knew what he had started, OK.
>
> However he was a somewhat "British" inventor - proud of eccentricity, 
> and not always as self-critical as would have been helpful. He retired 
> from the company around 1995 and sold it to what was, in effect, a 
> management buy-out. Vivienne Dyer had been his general manager, and 
> had been the driving force behind the marketing of the products for 
> some time. She really deserves the most credit for the Rycote brand.
>
> I was asked to come and help Vivienne design new equipment for the 
> company, and solve the problem of making the knicker elastic 
> suspensions that were difficult to knot, and didn't last for any 
> length of time. Working with Vivienne was a real joy, and she was the 
> one who kept pressing for new developments, beyond the original 
> product. So for the last 20 odd years most of the design faults have 
> been down to me;}
>
> Vivienne retired a few years back, and I backed out of working for the 
> company last year.
>
> Chris Woolf
>
>
> <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient> 
> 	Virus-free. www.avast.com 
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From colinhazelwood at btinternet.com  Wed Jul 11 08:50:09 2018
From: colinhazelwood at btinternet.com (Colin Hazelwood)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2018 14:50:09 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Ken Moir
In-Reply-To: <91c943a4-cdb8-710a-8858-b199661e3db8@gmail.com>
References: <91c943a4-cdb8-710a-8858-b199661e3db8@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <936F02C0-5C7A-4E10-B64F-66AC23E2728E@btinternet.com>

Sadly Ken Moir, Camera Supervisor LO4 at Kendal Avenue, passed away earlier in the week aged 83.

I understand the funeral will take place on Fri 20th July but his wife Sue was very specific about it being a small family do near there home in Lechlade.

I?ve no doubt our sympathies with Sue and there 2 children Jamie and Tania.

From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com  Wed Jul 11 11:16:47 2018
From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2018 17:16:47 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] BBC Engineering Department reprint: The Plumbicon
Message-ID: <eded2cd3-7673-1bc4-0317-c9018f6c44f4@gmail.com>

Hi All,

Interesting, in view of what Ian Hillson wrote:

> I found the spectral response curves interesting.
> Purely from the point of view that?Angela Rippon's choice of clothing 
> colours often fell between the gaps in the curves!??

the Plumbicon was designed for colour TV from the outset.

In this paper (a normal attachment this time), the authors state:

"...In fact, the reason why development
of this tube was started. a few years ago,
was the urgent? demand for pickup tubes
suitable for color television...".

Apologies fort he quality of reproduction; the original reprint is quite 
faint.

Hope it is of interest ...


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Alec

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From graeme.wall at icloud.com  Wed Jul 11 12:00:13 2018
From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2018 18:00:13 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Engineering Bept Reprint: Plumbicon Comparison 1966
In-Reply-To: <CAO37+kZd9Va7ewPj+5dD5QvMNSYzqDJotAinKHk1rh_x6ZEJ=A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6ee44028-e878-2d3c-358a-663136f9ff24@gmail.com>
	<CAO37+kZd9Va7ewPj+5dD5QvMNSYzqDJotAinKHk1rh_x6ZEJ=A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <04CAAB98-A1C2-47E8-BB05-AA4949300D83@icloud.com>

I found Angela Rippon?s response curves interesting too?
? 
Graeme Wall





> On 10 Jul 2018, at 11:35, Ian H via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> I found the spectral response curves interesting.  
> Purely from the point of view that Angela Rippon's choice of clothing colours often fell between the gaps in the curves! ?
> <plumbicon.png>
> ?
> 
> On Mon, Jul 9, 2018 at 5:29 PM, Alec Bray via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> Hi All,
> 
> Following the brief excursion into the land of Sound, it's back to pictures.
> 
> This is a reprint, made available through the BBC Engineering Department reprint service, of a Philips Technical Review article, entitled: "The Plumbicon compared with other television camera tubes".  Since Philips developed the Plumbicon, this may not be as unbiased as we would hope - and it did not come in the nice ED coloured wrapper!
> 
> 
> Enjoy! ...
> I've linked 1 file to this email:
> <cjlaplcggjadaemd.png>Plumbicon_comparison_1966.pdf(21.2 MB)<box-logo.png>Box
> https://app.box.com/s/lv4vx3jj3nnbs0cyusnqzpdwiuu13hp6
> Mozilla Thunderbird makes it easy to share large files over email.
> 
> -- 
> 
> Best Regards
> 
> Alec
> 
> Alec Bray
> 
> 
> alec.bray.2 at gmail.com
> 
> mob:     07789 561 346
> home:  0118 942 9543
> 
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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Wed Jul 11 16:57:02 2018
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2018 22:57:02 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Angela Ripoff curves
In-Reply-To: <04CAAB98-A1C2-47E8-BB05-AA4949300D83@icloud.com>
References: <6ee44028-e878-2d3c-358a-663136f9ff24@gmail.com>
	<CAO37+kZd9Va7ewPj+5dD5QvMNSYzqDJotAinKHk1rh_x6ZEJ=A@mail.gmail.com>
	<04CAAB98-A1C2-47E8-BB05-AA4949300D83@icloud.com>
Message-ID: <78bb4eec-5122-5196-d34a-b251c9f88566@btinternet.com>

.. down boy! Cheers, Dave


On 11/07/2018 18:00, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote:
> I found Angela Rippon?s response curves interesting too?
> ?
> Graeme Wall
>
>
>
>
>
>> On 10 Jul 2018, at 11:35, Ian H via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> I found the spectral response curves interesting.
>> Purely from the point of view that Angela Rippon's choice of clothing colours often fell between the gaps in the curves! ?
>> <plumbicon.png>
>> ?
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 9, 2018 at 5:29 PM, Alec Bray via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> Hi All,
>>
>> Following the brief excursion into the land of Sound, it's back to pictures.
>>
>> This is a reprint, made available through the BBC Engineering Department reprint service, of a Philips Technical Review article, entitled: "The Plumbicon compared with other television camera tubes".  Since Philips developed the Plumbicon, this may not be as unbiased as we would hope - and it did not come in the nice ED coloured wrapper!
>>
>>
>> Enjoy! ...
>> I've linked 1 file to this email:
>> <cjlaplcggjadaemd.png>Plumbicon_comparison_1966.pdf(21.2 MB)<box-logo.png>Box
>> https://app.box.com/s/lv4vx3jj3nnbs0cyusnqzpdwiuu13hp6
>> Mozilla Thunderbird makes it easy to share large files over email.
>>
>> -- 
>>
>> Best Regards
>>
>> Alec
>>
>> Alec Bray
>>
>>
>> alec.bray.2 at gmail.com
>>
>> mob:     07789 561 346
>> home:  0118 942 9543
>>
>>
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From barrybonner119 at btinternet.com  Wed Jul 11 17:24:00 2018
From: barrybonner119 at btinternet.com (Barry Bonner)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2018 23:24:00 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Summer Disorg Lunch
Message-ID: <56C29BD2-6CFB-4BF0-A7D6-846CEC283D23@btinternet.com>

Hi All,
	I've booked "The Coach and Horses" 1 High Road, Ickenham, UB10 8LJ for lunch on Wednesday 25th. July 12:00 onwards. 

	See you all there.

		Barry.

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From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com  Thu Jul 12 05:26:40 2018
From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2018 11:26:40 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] BBC Technical Induction Course Jan 1963
In-Reply-To: <B72FA8B0BBBA4FAAB18C2E04BA7D52CC@PATRICKSONY>
References: <91c943a4-cdb8-710a-8858-b199661e3db8@gmail.com>
	<B72FA8B0BBBA4FAAB18C2E04BA7D52CC@PATRICKSONY>
Message-ID: <3343b482-815a-83f0-5b63-36a80910e5aa@gmail.com>

Hi Pat and others ...


On 11/07/2018 19:05, patrickheigham wrote:
> John Henshall
> discovered a Philips TK machine in a remote hut. We brushed
> off the dust 

We made good use of that TK machine for TO 16's programme.? The Bell and 
Howell by this time had been replaced by a three lens turret Arriflex, 
and as I had set up my school's film club, I was the first to get to 
grips with this (horrible) piece of kit:? a tripod in the back of Chris 
Pocock's sporty ragtop and filmed the run from the club in Evesham to 
the entrance to WoodNorton, slowing the camera as we went up the drive.

The next shots (in the BBC club) were done by other people, following my 
dropping of said Arriflex.? I got assigned (promoted, demoted, moved 
sideways, isolated (make your own spin!!)) to operate TK on the night of 
the program.? Well, some one had to do it!

Ah! The thrill of "Run TK" at the start of a programme...

-- 

Best Regards

Alec

Alec Bray

alec.bray.2 at gmail.com
mob:     07789 561 346
home:  0118 942 9543



From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com  Thu Jul 12 09:33:45 2018
From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2018 15:33:45 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Engineering Training Supplement No. 7. Basic Principles of
 Television Lighting
Message-ID: <41b66040-e1dd-b689-4f8e-bba5e709540a@gmail.com>

Hi everyone,

Another item from my store of Engineering Dept books and reprints.

Technically this is a reprint,? dated 1955.? of an original Engineering 
Department Training Supplement published in 1952.

The manual? was still current in the late 1960s, although by the early 
1960s a couple of the Camera Tubes mentioned were no longer in use in 
the London studios.

The last paragraph is very interesting:

"... the newer types of camera has shown already that lighting has 
almost unforeseen possibilities
for the future. At the moment, while greater sensitivity has reduced the
intensities involved, the greater elaboration or size of shows has made 
the task
of the lighting staff even more complex..."

The manual tries to straddle the divide between the need for an artistic 
interpretation of the scene and the technical requirements of the 
cameras - how much light they needed then!!

The Appendix shows the set up for "Dial M for Murder" in Studio D Lime 
Grove - 3 cameras and 2 booms for a live transmission!

(BTW apologies for the floor plan being rotated WRT the rest of the 
booklet).


I've linked 1 file to this email:
Basic-Principles-of-Television-Lighting.pdf 
<https://app.box.com/s/13qx57uf8i1m9a8m3ks73axh5seufr5e>(31.7 MB)Box 
<https://www.box.com/thunderbird>https://app.box.com/s/13qx57uf8i1m9a8m3ks73axh5seufr5e
Mozilla Thunderbird <http://www.getthunderbird.com> makes it easy to 
share large files over email.


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Alec

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From patheigham at amps.net  Thu Jul 12 12:41:01 2018
From: patheigham at amps.net (patrickheigham)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2018 18:41:01 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] BBC Technical Induction Course Jan 1963
In-Reply-To: <3343b482-815a-83f0-5b63-36a80910e5aa@gmail.com>
References: <91c943a4-cdb8-710a-8858-b199661e3db8@gmail.com>
	<B72FA8B0BBBA4FAAB18C2E04BA7D52CC@PATRICKSONY>
	<3343b482-815a-83f0-5b63-36a80910e5aa@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A815D1164D8646C48284120C1166F609@PATRICKSONY>

Hi Alec,

I had sent the original message about the TK machine
only to you, so I note that your reply included the Tech-Ops.
So here is the full story, again, plus a photo of Mike McCarthy
and myself (as cameraman!).
Mike went on to become a highly regarded Sound Supervisor
and I am still in contact with him.

"A feather in cap....
For our compulsory programme to be put on, John Henshall
discovered a Philips TK machine in a remote hut. We brushed
off the dust and decided to shoot a film insert, dealing with the
closure of the local branch line railway.
Recording the locals' thoughts about this in a local pub, I then shot
visual wallpaper to go with the audio.
A tutor who came from Bristol lent a Bell & Howell 16mm camera
and found us some negative short ends, then had the stuff
developed at the news dept. in Bristol.
Afterwards the lecturers asked us if we'd borrowed the insert from
"Tonight"!
(Cheek! Although the soundtrack, off 1/4" was running wild against
the picture off TK, which was negative, and John managed to
balance the shots with the knobs in reverse!)

Pat

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Alec Bray" <alec.bray.2 at gmail.com>
To: "patrickheigham" <patheigham at amps.net>; "TechOps Forum" 
<tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2018 11:26 AM
Subject: Re: [Tech1] BBC Technical Induction Course Jan 1963


> Hi Pat and others ...
>
>
> On 11/07/2018 19:05, patrickheigham wrote:
>> John Henshall
>> discovered a Philips TK machine in a remote hut. We brushed
>> off the dust
>
> We made good use of that TK machine for TO 16's programme. The Bell and 
> Howell by this time had been replaced by a three lens turret Arriflex, and 
> as I had set up my school's film club, I was the first to get to grips 
> with this (horrible) piece of kit: a tripod in the back of Chris Pocock's 
> sporty ragtop and filmed the run from the club in Evesham to the entrance 
> to WoodNorton, slowing the camera as we went up the drive.
>
> The next shots (in the BBC club) were done by other people, following my 
> dropping of said Arriflex. I got assigned (promoted, demoted, moved 
> sideways, isolated (make your own spin!!)) to operate TK on the night of 
> the program. Well, some one had to do it!
>
> Ah! The thrill of "Run TK" at the start of a programme...
>
> -- 
>
> Best Regards
>
> Alec


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From patheigham at amps.net  Thu Jul 12 16:13:53 2018
From: patheigham at amps.net (patrickheigham)
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2018 22:13:53 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Wimbledon Tennis
In-Reply-To: <bd73cb25-abf3-c647-54e5-136a854c78e6@ntlworld.com>
References: <5b4388aa.1c69fb81.60f41.19bf@mx.google.com><d3c96445-7875-acc5-f2ac-723cac781a17@chriswoolf.co.uk>
	<bd73cb25-abf3-c647-54e5-136a854c78e6@ntlworld.com>
Message-ID: <FAF66807199740AFA7523C46F954900D@PATRICKSONY>

Wimbledon.
Now that the Finals are creeping up on us, I am reminded of an (amusing)
incident that occurred a few years ago.
I was working for NBC Sports - shooting profiles and pieces to camera.
We had permission to step on the corner of Centre Court grass to do a
piece with Dick Enberg (NBC's senior presenter).
The court was ringed with security guys to ward off anyone traipsing
across the turf.

As we set up, a guy, wearing just shorts and trainers, crossed the grass.
"Oy, get off the grass!" yelled a security man.
"I'm just about to mow it!" was the reply!

It would have been a Two Ronnies moment if he had just acknowledged
his trangression, disappeared, and then returned with his mower!

Pat

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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Fri Jul 13 16:52:39 2018
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2018 22:52:39 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] vlc
Message-ID: <4b38a184-8f66-0778-8972-602984b2689f@btinternet.com>

Just wondering why some video vertical edges look like a comb, ie. 
serrated, especially when you zoom in? What is the problem and how? can 
I fix it?? Cheers, Dave



From bernie833 at gmail.com  Fri Jul 13 17:26:25 2018
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2018 23:26:25 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] vlc
In-Reply-To: <4b38a184-8f66-0778-8972-602984b2689f@btinternet.com>
References: <4b38a184-8f66-0778-8972-602984b2689f@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <542fe441-7191-39ba-f7fe-7cb537e61683@gmail.com>

It would probably be useful to have much more detail, but it could be 
that when you rendered you set the field order wrong. Either that or 
you're on 2" tape and you've got a bit of Venetian blinding. I think you 
have to move the head assemble up or down a bit- but I only ever watched.

B



On 13/07/2018 22:52, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote:
> Just wondering why some video vertical edges look like a comb, ie. 
> serrated, especially when you zoom in? What is the problem and how? 
> can I fix it?? Cheers, Dave
>
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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Fri Jul 13 17:57:10 2018
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2018 23:57:10 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] vlc
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Thanks, Bernie, it was just an ordinary download of a .vob file, some 
play perfectly OK but some have this castellated effect, especially on 
moving images, so I wondered what settings , if any, in vlc would cure 
the problem. Cheers, Dave. Attached is an example


On 13/07/2018 23:26, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote:
> It would probably be useful to have much more detail, but it could be 
> that when you rendered you set the field order wrong. Either that or 
> you're on 2" tape and you've got a bit of Venetian blinding. I think 
> you have to move the head assemble up or down a bit- but I only ever 
> watched.
>
> B
>
>
>
> On 13/07/2018 22:52, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote:
>> Just wondering why some video vertical edges look like a comb, ie. 
>> serrated, especially when you zoom in? What is the problem and how? 
>> can I fix it?? Cheers, Dave
>>
>>
>
>
>

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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Sat Jul 14 03:53:34 2018
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2018 09:53:34 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] vlc
In-Reply-To: <5450e4a2-22e5-6b66-c8a4-b3d975c6fe28@btinternet.com>
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Distinctly wrong field order - anerror by the person who rendered the 
video. It's possible in some cases to put the piece back in to Premiere 
or whatever and invert the order so it looks right.

If "wrong field order" is meaningless, it refers to interlaced video, 
where the lines in a frame are sent in two fields (back to Evesham), 
generally odd lines first and even second. DV is the other wayround for 
some reason.? I've made this error a few times - very annoying when the 
video is long and takes ages to render - but it's very obvious when you 
look.

B



On 13/07/2018 23:57, dave.mdv wrote:
>
> Thanks, Bernie, it was just an ordinary download of a .vob file, some 
> play perfectly OK but some have this castellated effect, especially on 
> moving images, so I wondered what settings , if any, in vlc would cure 
> the problem. Cheers, Dave. Attached is an example
>
>
> On 13/07/2018 23:26, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote:
>> It would probably be useful to have much more detail, but it could be 
>> that when you rendered you set the field order wrong. Either that or 
>> you're on 2" tape and you've got a bit of Venetian blinding. I think 
>> you have to move the head assemble up or down a bit- but I only ever 
>> watched.
>>
>> B
>>
>>
>>
>> On 13/07/2018 22:52, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote:
>>> Just wondering why some video vertical edges look like a comb, ie. 
>>> serrated, especially when you zoom in? What is the problem and how? 
>>> can I fix it?? Cheers, Dave
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>

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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Sat Jul 14 06:12:09 2018
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2018 12:12:09 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] vlc
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Thanks Bernie, I knew someone would have the answer! Cheers, Dave


On 14/07/2018 09:53, Bernard Newnham wrote:
> Distinctly wrong field order - anerror by the person who rendered the 
> video. It's possible in some cases to put the piece back in to 
> Premiere or whatever and invert the order so it looks right.
>
> If "wrong field order" is meaningless, it refers to interlaced video, 
> where the lines in a frame are sent in two fields (back to Evesham), 
> generally odd lines first and even second. DV is the other wayround 
> for some reason.? I've made this error a few times - very annoying 
> when the video is long and takes ages to render - but it's very 
> obvious when you look.
>
> B
>
>
>
> On 13/07/2018 23:57, dave.mdv wrote:
>>
>> Thanks, Bernie, it was just an ordinary download of a .vob file, some 
>> play perfectly OK but some have this castellated effect, especially 
>> on moving images, so I wondered what settings , if any, in vlc would 
>> cure the problem. Cheers, Dave. Attached is an example
>>
>>
>> On 13/07/2018 23:26, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote:
>>> It would probably be useful to have much more detail, but it could 
>>> be that when you rendered you set the field order wrong. Either that 
>>> or you're on 2" tape and you've got a bit of Venetian blinding. I 
>>> think you have to move the head assemble up or down a bit- but I 
>>> only ever watched.
>>>
>>> B
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 13/07/2018 22:52, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote:
>>>> Just wondering why some video vertical edges look like a comb, ie. 
>>>> serrated, especially when you zoom in? What is the problem and how? 
>>>> can I fix it?? Cheers, Dave
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>

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From ian.hillson at gmail.com  Sun Jul 15 07:32:54 2018
From: ian.hillson at gmail.com (Ian H)
Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2018 13:32:54 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] vlc
In-Reply-To: <7c389968-17d8-d9f0-9c9e-75beaf718918@btinternet.com>
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Back in the dark old days of FR at TVC, I believe if they were doing a
transfer from VT they would also be sent a 25Hz signal to the film recorder
to identify fields. Just so that cuts weren't spread across two frames of
film!

I

On Sat, Jul 14, 2018 at 12:12 PM, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
wrote:

> Thanks Bernie, I knew someone would have the answer! Cheers, Dave
>
> On 14/07/2018 09:53, Bernard Newnham wrote:
>
> Distinctly wrong field order - an error by the person who rendered the
> video. It's possible in some cases to put the piece back in to Premiere or
> whatever and invert the order so it looks right.
>
> If "wrong field order" is meaningless, it refers to interlaced video,
> where the lines in a frame are sent in two fields (back to Evesham),
> generally odd lines first and even second. DV is the other way round for
> some reason.  I've made this error a few times - very annoying when the
> video is long and takes ages to render - but it's very obvious when you
> look.
>
> B
>
>
>
> On 13/07/2018 23:57, dave.mdv wrote:
>
> Thanks, Bernie, it was just an ordinary download of a .vob file, some play
> perfectly OK but some have this castellated effect, especially on moving
> images, so I wondered what settings , if any, in vlc would cure the
> problem. Cheers, Dave. Attached is an example
>
> On 13/07/2018 23:26, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote:
>
> It would probably be useful to have much more detail, but it could be
> that when you rendered you set the field order wrong. Either that or you're
> on 2" tape and you've got a bit of Venetian blinding. I think you have to
> move the head assemble up or down a bit - but I only ever watched.
>
> B
>
>
>
> On 13/07/2018 22:52, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote:
>
> Just wondering why some video vertical edges look like a comb, ie.
> serrated, especially when you zoom in? What is the problem and how  can I
> fix it?  Cheers, Dave
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> Tech1 mailing list
> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk
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From rogerbunce at btinternet.com  Sun Jul 15 08:21:49 2018
From: rogerbunce at btinternet.com (ROGER BUNCE)
Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2018 13:21:49 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tech1] BBC Alumni
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Hi All,
There has been discussion on the "BBC Alumni" Facebook group, about why some of the BBC's 'Talent' have had their incomes made public and not others. I have posted a rude reply, but, just in case someone takes it down, I thought I'd share it with you lot. You can probably also tell me how many facts I've got wrong!
luv, Rog.

While there may be individuals who want to conceal their incomes, or fiddle their taxes, this is primarily the result of the government?s privatisation policy.
Over a long period, and clandestinely, the Government has been privatising the BBC. They began with the enforced quotas for Independent Productions and the insanity of Producer Choice. Lacking Reithian courage, BBC Management failed to resist, and overpaid BBC Journalists failed to protest. The process is now almost complete. This has been done partly for ideological reasons (Private Enterprise, Good: Public Service, Bad) and partly because it enables certain obscenely rich individuals to become even richer. Rupert Murdoch springs to mind. It should also be mentioned that ITV, once a network of regional stations, is now an anti-competitive monopoly, one of whose owners is Carlton Communications, whose former Head of Corporate Affairs, and significant shareholder, is David Cameron. (Whatever happened to him?) I am not suggesting that there is anything corrupt about a greedy fat-cat using his authority as a not-very-good Prime Minister to enrich himself by sabotaging his main business rival. I?m sure similar things happen in all the best banana republics.
Most of the BBC is now privatised. BBC Production Teams are a private company called ?BBC Studios?. They receive no income from the Licence Fee, and must sell their programme ideas to the BBC in direct completion with Independent Production companies. ?BBC Resources? (i.e. the ?Techies?: Engineers, Cameramen, etc. who do the physical work of programme-making, and operate the studios) are now another private company called ?BBC Studioworks?, who also receive no income from the Licence Fee, and must sell their services to ?BBC Studios? (or anyone else) in direct completion with other Facilities Companies. Most of the actual people are now employed as freelancers. As has been noted, some of the studios, operated by BBC Studioworks, are now block-booked by ITV.
BBC News is still owned by the BBC, and is still funded by the licence fee. I am not suggesting that this is why they were able to award themselves a brand-new billion-pound headquarters, while most other programme-makers were being kicked out of TV Centre, or exiled to Salford. But it does explain why John Humphrey?s income has been made public.
When the Government demanded the publication of salaries for the BBC?s ?talent?, they made no similar demands against ITV, Sky, etc. This was a clear bias, since it prevented the public from making valid comparisons. But the Government claimed that they could not poke their noses into the affairs of private companies. Now, that most of the BBC consists of private companies, thanks to Government policy, their own argument is turned against them.?
Personally, I think that all such salaries should be published - BBC, BBC subsidiaries, ITV, Sky, and other channels. We, the public, pay for all these people, directly or indirectly, whether through the licence fee, subscription or advertising, and we should know how much we are paying them.
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From mibridge at mac.com  Sun Jul 15 11:35:52 2018
From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles)
Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2018 17:35:52 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] BBC Alumni
In-Reply-To: <605836585.4313833.1531660909438@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <605836585.4313833.1531660909438.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
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Well done Roger ~ finely observed and judiciously executed! 

Mike G


> On 15 Jul 2018, at 14:21, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> There has been discussion on the "BBC Alumni" Facebook group, about why some of the BBC's 'Talent' have had their incomes made public and not others. I have posted a rude reply, but, just in case someone takes it down, I thought I'd share it with you lot. You can probably also tell me how many facts I've got wrong!
> 
> luv, Rog.
> 
> 
> While there may be individuals who want to conceal their incomes, or fiddle their taxes, this is primarily the result of the government?s privatisation policy.
> 
> Over a long period, and clandestinely, the Government has been privatising the BBC. They began with the enforced quotas for Independent Productions and the insanity of Producer Choice. Lacking Reithian courage, BBC Management failed to resist, and overpaid BBC Journalists failed to protest. The process is now almost complete. This has been done partly for ideological reasons (Private Enterprise, Good: Public Service, Bad) and partly because it enables certain obscenely rich individuals to become even richer. Rupert Murdoch springs to mind. It should also be mentioned that ITV, once a network of regional stations, is now an anti-competitive monopoly, one of whose owners is Carlton Communications, whose former Head of Corporate Affairs, and significant shareholder, is David Cameron. (Whatever happened to him?) I am not suggesting that there is anything corrupt about a greedy fat-cat using his authority as a not-very-good Prime Minister to enrich himself by sabotaging his main business rival. I?m sure similar things happen in all the best banana republics.
> 
> Most of the BBC is now privatised. BBC Production Teams are a private company called ?BBC Studios?. They receive no income from the Licence Fee, and must sell their programme ideas to the BBC in direct completion with Independent Production companies. ?BBC Resources? (i.e. the ?Techies?: Engineers, Cameramen, etc. who do the physical work of programme-making, and operate the studios) are now another private company called ?BBC Studioworks?, who also receive no income from the Licence Fee, and must sell their services to ?BBC Studios? (or anyone else) in direct completion with other Facilities Companies. Most of the actual people are now employed as freelancers. As has been noted, some of the studios, operated by BBC Studioworks, are now block-booked by ITV.
> 
> BBC News is still owned by the BBC, and is still funded by the licence fee. I am not suggesting that this is why they were able to award themselves a brand-new billion-pound headquarters, while most other programme-makers were being kicked out of TV Centre, or exiled to Salford. But it does explain why John Humphrey?s income has been made public.
> 
> When the Government demanded the publication of salaries for the BBC?s ?talent?, they made no similar demands against ITV, Sky, etc. This was a clear bias, since it prevented the public from making valid comparisons. But the Government claimed that they could not poke their noses into the affairs of private companies. Now, that most of the BBC consists of private companies, thanks to Government policy, their own argument is turned against them. 
> 
> Personally, I think that all such salaries should be published - BBC, BBC subsidiaries, ITV, Sky, and other channels. We, the public, pay for all these people, directly or indirectly, whether through the licence fee, subscription or advertising, and we should know how much we are paying them.
> 
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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Sun Jul 15 15:08:56 2018
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2018 21:08:56 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] BBC Alumni
In-Reply-To: <F7C51F85-448F-42E4-B668-F174F5903ECD@mac.com>
References: <605836585.4313833.1531660909438.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
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Hear, hear! Tells it how it is (was!). Cheers, Dave.
On 15/07/2018 17:35, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote:
> Well done Roger ~ finely observed and judiciously executed!
>
> Mike G
>
>
>> On 15 Jul 2018, at 14:21, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk 
>> <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> There has been discussion on the "BBC Alumni" Facebook group, about 
>> why some of the BBC's 'Talent' have had their incomes made public and 
>> not others. I have posted a rude reply, but, just in case someone 
>> takes it down, I thought I'd share it with you lot. You can probably 
>> also tell me how many facts I've got wrong!
>>
>> luv, Rog.
>>
>>
>> While there may be individuals who want to conceal their incomes, or 
>> fiddle their taxes, this is primarily the result of the government?s 
>> privatisation policy.
>>
>> Over a long period, and clandestinely, the Government has been 
>> privatising the BBC. They began with the enforced quotas for 
>> Independent Productions and the insanity of Producer Choice. Lacking 
>> Reithian courage, BBC Management failed to resist, and overpaid BBC 
>> Journalists failed to protest. The process is now almost complete. 
>> This has been done partly for ideological reasons (Private 
>> Enterprise, Good: Public Service, Bad) and partly because it enables 
>> certain obscenely rich individuals to become even richer. Rupert 
>> Murdoch springs to mind. It should also be mentioned that ITV, once a 
>> network of regional stations, is now an anti-competitive monopoly, 
>> one of whose owners is Carlton Communications, whose former Head of 
>> Corporate Affairs, and significant shareholder, is David Cameron. 
>> (Whatever happened to him?) I am not suggesting that there is 
>> anything corrupt about a greedy fat-cat using his authority as a 
>> not-very-good Prime Minister to enrich himself by sabotaging his main 
>> business rival. I?m sure similar things happen in all the best banana 
>> republics.
>>
>> Most of the BBC is now privatised. BBC Production Teams are a private 
>> company called ?BBC Studios?. They receive no income from the Licence 
>> Fee, and must sell their programme ideas to the BBC in direct 
>> completion with Independent Production companies. ?BBC Resources? 
>> (i.e. the ?Techies?: Engineers, Cameramen, etc. who do the physical 
>> work of programme-making, and operate the studios) are now another 
>> private company called ?BBC Studioworks?, who also receive no income 
>> from the Licence Fee, and must sell their services to ?BBC Studios? 
>> (or anyone else) in direct completion with other Facilities 
>> Companies. Most of the actual people are now employed as freelancers. 
>> As has been noted, some of the studios, operated by BBC Studioworks, 
>> are now block-booked by ITV.
>>
>> BBC News is still owned by the BBC, and is still funded by the 
>> licence fee. I am not suggesting that this is why they were able to 
>> award themselves a brand-new billion-pound headquarters, while most 
>> other programme-makers were being kicked out of TV Centre, or exiled 
>> to Salford. But it does explain why John Humphrey?s income has been 
>> made public.
>>
>> When the Government demanded the publication of salaries for the 
>> BBC?s ?talent?, they made no similar demands against ITV, Sky, etc. 
>> This was a clear bias, since it prevented the public from making 
>> valid comparisons. But the Government claimed that they could not 
>> poke their noses into the affairs of private companies. Now, that 
>> most of the BBC consists of private companies, thanks to Government 
>> policy, their own argument is turned against them.
>>
>> Personally, I think that all such salaries should be published - BBC, 
>> BBC subsidiaries, ITV, Sky, and other channels. We, the public, pay 
>> for all these people, directly or indirectly, whether through the 
>> licence fee, subscription or advertising, and we should know how much 
>> we are paying them.
>>
>> -- 
>> Tech1 mailing list
>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
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From tonycrake at gmail.com  Mon Jul 16 04:58:50 2018
From: tonycrake at gmail.com (Tony Crake)
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2018 10:58:50 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] BBC Alumni
In-Reply-To: <4f9817d1-173c-19f4-7460-83f05d959dfd@btinternet.com>
References: <605836585.4313833.1531660909438.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
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I second the motion.... nicely put !!

On 15 July 2018 at 21:08, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

>
> Hear, hear! Tells it how it is (was!). Cheers, Dave.
>
> On 15/07/2018 17:35, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote:
>
> Well done Roger ~ finely observed and judiciously executed!
>
> Mike G
>
>
> On 15 Jul 2018, at 14:21, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>
> There has been discussion on the "BBC Alumni" Facebook group, about why
> some of the BBC's 'Talent' have had their incomes made public and not
> others. I have posted a rude reply, but, just in case someone takes it
> down, I thought I'd share it with you lot. You can probably also tell me
> how many facts I've got wrong!
>
> luv, Rog.
>
>
> While there may be individuals who want to conceal their incomes, or
> fiddle their taxes, this is primarily the result of the government?s
> privatisation policy.
>
> Over a long period, and clandestinely, the Government has been privatising
> the BBC. They began with the enforced quotas for Independent Productions
> and the insanity of Producer Choice. Lacking Reithian courage, BBC
> Management failed to resist, and overpaid BBC Journalists failed to
> protest. The process is now almost complete. This has been done partly for
> ideological reasons (Private Enterprise, Good: Public Service, Bad) and
> partly because it enables certain obscenely rich individuals to become even
> richer. Rupert Murdoch springs to mind. It should also be mentioned that
> ITV, once a network of regional stations, is now an anti-competitive
> monopoly, one of whose owners is Carlton Communications, whose former Head
> of Corporate Affairs, and significant shareholder, is David Cameron.
> (Whatever happened to him?) I am not suggesting that there is anything
> corrupt about a greedy fat-cat using his authority as a not-very-good Prime
> Minister to enrich himself by sabotaging his main business rival. I?m sure
> similar things happen in all the best banana republics.
>
> Most of the BBC is now privatised. BBC Production Teams are a private
> company called ?BBC Studios?. They receive no income from the Licence Fee,
> and must sell their programme ideas to the BBC in direct completion with
> Independent Production companies. ?BBC Resources? (i.e. the ?Techies?:
> Engineers, Cameramen, etc. who do the physical work of programme-making,
> and operate the studios) are now another private company called ?BBC
> Studioworks?, who also receive no income from the Licence Fee, and must
> sell their services to ?BBC Studios? (or anyone else) in direct completion
> with other Facilities Companies. Most of the actual people are now employed
> as freelancers. As has been noted, some of the studios, operated by BBC
> Studioworks, are now block-booked by ITV.
>
> BBC News is still owned by the BBC, and is still funded by the licence
> fee. I am not suggesting that this is why they were able to award
> themselves a brand-new billion-pound headquarters, while most other
> programme-makers were being kicked out of TV Centre, or exiled to Salford.
> But it does explain why John Humphrey?s income has been made public.
>
> When the Government demanded the publication of salaries for the BBC?s
> ?talent?, they made no similar demands against ITV, Sky, etc. This was a
> clear bias, since it prevented the public from making valid comparisons.
> But the Government claimed that they could not poke their noses into the
> affairs of private companies. Now, that most of the BBC consists of private
> companies, thanks to Government policy, their own argument is turned
> against them.
>
> Personally, I think that all such salaries should be published - BBC, BBC
> subsidiaries, ITV, Sky, and other channels. We, the public, pay for all
> these people, directly or indirectly, whether through the licence fee,
> subscription or advertising, and we should know how much we are paying them.
>
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From alawrance1 at me.com  Mon Jul 16 05:05:50 2018
From: alawrance1 at me.com (Alasdair Lawrance)
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2018 11:05:50 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] BBC Alumni
In-Reply-To: <605836585.4313833.1531660909438@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <605836585.4313833.1531660909438.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<605836585.4313833.1531660909438@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <7F5BBAA4-25F1-43FE-99DB-18A4DC04F858@me.com>

Worth remembering that one time Controller BBC1 M. Grade Esq., has a lot to answer for?

Interesting to see what?s being said these days. <https://www.theguardian.com/business/2010/jul/01/profile-ocado-boss-michael-grade>


Alasdair Lawrance
alawrance1 at me.com

Sent from my iPad2



On 15 Jul 2018, at 14:21, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

Hi All,

There has been discussion on the "BBC Alumni" Facebook group, about why some of the BBC's 'Talent' have had their incomes made public and not others. I have posted a rude reply, but, just in case someone takes it down, I thought I'd share it with you lot. You can probably also tell me how many facts I've got wrong!

luv, Rog.


While there may be individuals who want to conceal their incomes, or fiddle their taxes, this is primarily the result of the government?s privatisation policy.

Over a long period, and clandestinely, the Government has been privatising the BBC. They began with the enforced quotas for Independent Productions and the insanity of Producer Choice. Lacking Reithian courage, BBC Management failed to resist, and overpaid BBC Journalists failed to protest. The process is now almost complete. This has been done partly for ideological reasons (Private Enterprise, Good: Public Service, Bad) and partly because it enables certain obscenely rich individuals to become even richer. Rupert Murdoch springs to mind. It should also be mentioned that ITV, once a network of regional stations, is now an anti-competitive monopoly, one of whose owners is Carlton Communications, whose former Head of Corporate Affairs, and significant shareholder, is David Cameron. (Whatever happened to him?) I am not suggesting that there is anything corrupt about a greedy fat-cat using his authority as a not-very-good Prime Minister to enrich himself by sabotaging his main business rival. I?m sure similar things happen in all the best banana republics.

Most of the BBC is now privatised. BBC Production Teams are a private company called ?BBC Studios?. They receive no income from the Licence Fee, and must sell their programme ideas to the BBC in direct completion with Independent Production companies. ?BBC Resources? (i.e. the ?Techies?: Engineers, Cameramen, etc. who do the physical work of programme-making, and operate the studios) are now another private company called ?BBC Studioworks?, who also receive no income from the Licence Fee, and must sell their services to ?BBC Studios? (or anyone else) in direct completion with other Facilities Companies. Most of the actual people are now employed as freelancers. As has been noted, some of the studios, operated by BBC Studioworks, are now block-booked by ITV.

BBC News is still owned by the BBC, and is still funded by the licence fee. I am not suggesting that this is why they were able to award themselves a brand-new billion-pound headquarters, while most other programme-makers were being kicked out of TV Centre, or exiled to Salford. But it does explain why John Humphrey?s income has been made public.

When the Government demanded the publication of salaries for the BBC?s ?talent?, they made no similar demands against ITV, Sky, etc. This was a clear bias, since it prevented the public from making valid comparisons. But the Government claimed that they could not poke their noses into the affairs of private companies. Now, that most of the BBC consists of private companies, thanks to Government policy, their own argument is turned against them. 

Personally, I think that all such salaries should be published - BBC, BBC subsidiaries, ITV, Sky, and other channels. We, the public, pay for all these people, directly or indirectly, whether through the licence fee, subscription or advertising, and we should know how much we are paying them.

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From patheigham at amps.net  Mon Jul 16 05:39:54 2018
From: patheigham at amps.net (patrickheigham)
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2018 11:39:54 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] BBC Alumni
In-Reply-To: <605836585.4313833.1531660909438@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <605836585.4313833.1531660909438.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<605836585.4313833.1531660909438@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1CF568B7885A43D2946DFB4FB3851954@PATRICKSONY>

Did you mean 'competition' Rog?

Pat


  Most of the BBC is now privatised. BBC Production Teams are a private company called ?BBC Studios?. They receive no income from the Licence Fee, and must sell their programme ideas to the BBC in direct completion with Independent Production companies. ?BBC Resources? (i.e. the ?Techies?: Engineers, Cameramen, etc. who do the physical work of programme-making, and operate the studios) are now another private company called ?BBC Studioworks?, who also receive no income from the Licence Fee, and must sell their services to ?BBC Studios? (or anyone else) in direct completion with other Facilities Companies. Most of the actual people are now employed as freelancers. As has been noted, some of the studios, operated by BBC Studioworks, are now block-booked by ITV.


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From ian.hillson at gmail.com  Mon Jul 16 07:24:46 2018
From: ian.hillson at gmail.com (Ian H)
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2018 13:24:46 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] BBC Alumni
In-Reply-To: <605836585.4313833.1531660909438@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <605836585.4313833.1531660909438.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<605836585.4313833.1531660909438@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CAO37+kZmHaA4hVY_MG0uMzv=Dvx7FMoVHVJWC0D-BtYdZqxbRQ@mail.gmail.com>

Trouble is, what is published falls into the "lies, damned lies and
statistics" category.  I didn't believe last years stats with Gary earning
so much (but none going through his production company included) and
Graham, by comparison, earning so little (with none going through 'So'
being declared). Likewise, I don't believe a lot of the entries in this
years list.

I

On Sun, Jul 15, 2018 at 2:21 PM, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> There has been discussion on the "BBC Alumni" Facebook group, about why
> some of the BBC's 'Talent' have had their incomes made public and not
> others. I have posted a rude reply, but, just in case someone takes it
> down, I thought I'd share it with you lot. You can probably also tell me
> how many facts I've got wrong!
>
> luv, Rog.
>
>
> While there may be individuals who want to conceal their incomes, or
> fiddle their taxes, this is primarily the result of the government?s
> privatisation policy.
>
> Over a long period, and clandestinely, the Government has been privatising
> the BBC. They began with the enforced quotas for Independent Productions
> and the insanity of Producer Choice. Lacking Reithian courage, BBC
> Management failed to resist, and overpaid BBC Journalists failed to
> protest. The process is now almost complete. This has been done partly for
> ideological reasons (Private Enterprise, Good: Public Service, Bad) and
> partly because it enables certain obscenely rich individuals to become even
> richer. Rupert Murdoch springs to mind. It should also be mentioned that
> ITV, once a network of regional stations, is now an anti-competitive
> monopoly, one of whose owners is Carlton Communications, whose former Head
> of Corporate Affairs, and significant shareholder, is David Cameron.
> (Whatever happened to him?) I am not suggesting that there is anything
> corrupt about a greedy fat-cat using his authority as a not-very-good Prime
> Minister to enrich himself by sabotaging his main business rival. I?m sure
> similar things happen in all the best banana republics.
>
> Most of the BBC is now privatised. BBC Production Teams are a private
> company called ?BBC Studios?. They receive no income from the Licence Fee,
> and must sell their programme ideas to the BBC in direct completion with
> Independent Production companies. ?BBC Resources? (i.e. the ?Techies?:
> Engineers, Cameramen, etc. who do the physical work of programme-making,
> and operate the studios) are now another private company called ?BBC
> Studioworks?, who also receive no income from the Licence Fee, and must
> sell their services to ?BBC Studios? (or anyone else) in direct completion
> with other Facilities Companies. Most of the actual people are now employed
> as freelancers. As has been noted, some of the studios, operated by BBC
> Studioworks, are now block-booked by ITV.
>
> BBC News is still owned by the BBC, and is still funded by the licence
> fee. I am not suggesting that this is why they were able to award
> themselves a brand-new billion-pound headquarters, while most other
> programme-makers were being kicked out of TV Centre, or exiled to Salford.
> But it does explain why John Humphrey?s income has been made public.
>
> When the Government demanded the publication of salaries for the BBC?s
> ?talent?, they made no similar demands against ITV, Sky, etc. This was a
> clear bias, since it prevented the public from making valid comparisons.
> But the Government claimed that they could not poke their noses into the
> affairs of private companies. Now, that most of the BBC consists of private
> companies, thanks to Government policy, their own argument is turned
> against them.
>
> Personally, I think that all such salaries should be published - BBC, BBC
> subsidiaries, ITV, Sky, and other channels. We, the public, pay for all
> these people, directly or indirectly, whether through the licence fee,
> subscription or advertising, and we should know how much we are paying them.
>
>
> --
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> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk
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From jpbarlow at btopenworld.com  Mon Jul 16 11:14:24 2018
From: jpbarlow at btopenworld.com (jpbarlow at btopenworld.com)
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2018 17:14:24 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] BBC Alumni
Message-ID: <00d301d41d20$10b01080$32103180$@btopenworld.com>

The BBC is slightly behind the NHS as it (the NHS) is being privatised. 

 

Slowly but surely most technical staff have been moved to "for profit"
companies. The objective being to produce a situation where production and
technical staff have, in effect, no alternative than to working freelance.
The only employers will be private companies and these companies will make
money, essentially, by paying less overall and offering worse terms of
employment. Freelance staff have far lower associated costs like sick pay,
holidays, pensions etc. 

 

Very few ex-Tech Ops staff have any kind of formal  qualifications in
television production as their expertise is not formally recognised for the
status that it should have.  Professional bodies such as the GTC, Society of
LDs, IBS etc. recognise expertise but, sadly, such craft acknowledgement
counts for little in HR terms though rightly appreciated and respected by
other operators. 

 

To these new companies "operators" are entirely expendable and so easily
replaceable. Universities and other academic colleges are currently the only
institutions that can confer a degree on Media Students, and of these only a
few well known ones produce what professional operators would recognise as
graduates actually ready to work in the Television Industry at basic
operator level. Anyone with the right contacts is employable as an
"operator". It really won't do.

 

Graham (Reed),  Bernie and others have worked for several years now to
introduce the concept of the recognised professional "operator". Industry
giants welcome the concept but fail to financially support the Institute for
Training in Television Production (ITTP) to implement its excellent
proposals. Architects, Surveyors, Town Planners, Plumbers, Electricians etc.
all have Certificates that somehow make them professionals. What do we have?
A track record of credits, agencies that charge for allocating and personal
recognition by other professionals. 

 

The Tech Ops site caters well for BBC trained experts who have built up
years of expertise working in the industry and we love to reminisce ; but
let's face it - we're all getting old. The golden years have gone and a new
generation of almost untrained operators is entering the field. How can we
all show support for ITTP? In this new world recognition for expertise
should be essential and only ITTP or similar can possibly provide the
answers.

 

Rant over.

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From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com  Mon Jul 16 11:55:39 2018
From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray)
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2018 17:55:39 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Engineering Training Supplement 11 Lighting for Television
 Outside Broadcasts
Message-ID: <ca90700c-e516-0315-b4a6-3c988c6c5ff5@gmail.com>

Hello everyone,

The Engineering Training Supplement no 11:? "Lighting for Television 
Outside Broadcasts"? is not a reprint: this booklet was actually 
originated and produced by BBC Engineering Training Department - 
properly printed with a colophon (of sorts) - and published in 1957.? 
(NB:? It's quite a large booklet). ? It was still current in the mid to 
late 1960s, which is when I picked up this copy.

Here you will learn how to light a circus and circus audience, a 
cathedral and the altar .... there are lots of interesting touches all 
the way through.? How to get a suitable dramatic effect whilst fully 
modulating the video signal, for example: it was important with the 
cameras and receivers of the time.

Hope you enjoy it (oh, sorry, my scanner flipped one of the 
illustrations during processing ...)

I've linked 1 file to this email:
Lighting-for-TV-OBs.pdf 
<https://app.box.com/s/bmrg5dw6ct2ktowabq3zo7xfghy2iwyx>(44.2 MB)Box 
<https://www.box.com/thunderbird>https://app.box.com/s/bmrg5dw6ct2ktowabq3zo7xfghy2iwyx
Mozilla Thunderbird <http://www.getthunderbird.com> makes it easy to 
share large files over email.

Just a thought ... In my later jobs, there were schemes for getting 
recognition for continued personal development (or whatever the current 
jargon is) - for example, the Institute of Quality Assurance offered CPD 
points for every course or local get together you attended.? And what do 
points mean?? With all these reprints on offer, the BBC was in an 
excellent position to establish something like this back during our time 
there .. but there again, hindsight is always 20/20 vision.? I think we 
should award ourselves CPD points for each Disorganised? ('cos I learn a 
lot each time!), and get double for organising one!

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Best Regards

Alec

Alec Bray

alec.bray.2 at gmail.com
mob:     07789 561 346
home:  0118 942 9543

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From mibridge at mac.com  Mon Jul 16 14:39:36 2018
From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles)
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2018 20:39:36 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Engineering Training Supplement 11 Lighting for
 Television Outside Broadcasts
In-Reply-To: <ca90700c-e516-0315-b4a6-3c988c6c5ff5@gmail.com>
References: <ca90700c-e516-0315-b4a6-3c988c6c5ff5@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0F3B2692-5693-45F0-BE12-AE2427271809@mac.com>

Please, sir ~ what?s a colophon? 

Mike G (Sound guy, in case you hadn?t guessed!)

> On 16 Jul 2018, at 17:55, Alec Bray via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Hello everyone,
> 
> The Engineering Training Supplement no 11:  "Lighting for Television Outside Broadcasts"  is not a reprint: this booklet was actually originated and produced by BBC Engineering Training Department - properly printed with a colophon (of sorts) - and published in 1957.  (NB:  It's quite a large booklet).   It was still current in the mid to late 1960s, which is when I picked up this copy.
> Here you will learn how to light a circus and circus audience, a cathedral and the altar .... there are lots of interesting touches all the way through.  How to get a suitable dramatic effect whilst fully modulating the video signal, for example: it was important with the cameras and receivers of the time.
> Hope you enjoy it (oh, sorry, my scanner flipped one of the illustrations during processing ...)
> 
> I've linked 1 file to this email:
> <gpfneflecdgaaggo.png>Lighting-for-TV-OBs.pdf <https://app.box.com/s/bmrg5dw6ct2ktowabq3zo7xfghy2iwyx>(44.2 MB)<box-logo.png>Box <https://www.box.com/thunderbird>https://app.box.com/s/bmrg5dw6ct2ktowabq3zo7xfghy2iwyx
>  <https://app.box.com/s/bmrg5dw6ct2ktowabq3zo7xfghy2iwyx>
> Mozilla Thunderbird <http://www.getthunderbird.com/> makes it easy to share large files over email.
> Just a thought ... In my later jobs, there were schemes for getting recognition for continued personal development (or whatever the current jargon is) - for example, the Institute of Quality Assurance offered CPD points for every course or local get together you attended.  And what do points mean?  With all these reprints on offer, the BBC was in an excellent position to establish something like this back during our time there .. but there again, hindsight is always 20/20 vision.  I think we should award ourselves CPD points for each Disorganised  ('cos I learn a lot each time!), and get double for organising one!
> -- 
> 
> Best Regards
> 
> Alec
> 
> Alec Bray
> 
> alec.bray.2 at gmail.com <mailto:alec.bray.2 at gmail.com>
> mob:     07789 561 346
> home:  0118 942 9543
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From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com  Mon Jul 16 15:17:44 2018
From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray)
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2018 21:17:44 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Engineering Training Supplement 11 Lighting for
 Television Outside Broadcasts
In-Reply-To: <0F3B2692-5693-45F0-BE12-AE2427271809@mac.com>
References: <ca90700c-e516-0315-b4a6-3c988c6c5ff5@gmail.com>
	<0F3B2692-5693-45F0-BE12-AE2427271809@mac.com>
Message-ID: <CAA0HHB0nFL0BeJ9o5G-8m=L32DUOr3WhWB4rueBRD8+cX0ZqGA@mail.gmail.com>

A colophon is just the printer's trademark or symbol and the printer's
address. It can include other info as well!
BR Alec


On Mon, 16 Jul 2018, 20:40 Mike Giles, <mibridge at mac.com> wrote:

> Please, sir ~ what?s a colophon?
>
> Mike G (Sound guy, in case you hadn?t guessed!)
>
> On 16 Jul 2018, at 17:55, Alec Bray via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
> Hello everyone,
>
> The Engineering Training Supplement no 11:  "Lighting for Television
> Outside Broadcasts"  is not a reprint: this booklet was actually originated
> and produced by BBC Engineering Training Department - properly printed with
> a colophon (of sorts) - and published in 1957.  (NB:  It's quite a large
> booklet).   It was still current in the mid to late 1960s, which is when I
> picked up this copy.
>
> Here you will learn how to light a circus and circus audience, a cathedral
> and the altar .... there are lots of interesting touches all the way
> through.  How to get a suitable dramatic effect whilst fully modulating the
> video signal, for example: it was important with the cameras and receivers
> of the time.
>
> Hope you enjoy it (oh, sorry, my scanner flipped one of the illustrations
> during processing ...)
> I've linked 1 file to this email:
> <gpfneflecdgaaggo.png>Lighting-for-TV-OBs.pdf
> <https://app.box.com/s/bmrg5dw6ct2ktowabq3zo7xfghy2iwyx>(44.2 MB)
> <box-logo.png>Box <https://www.box.com/thunderbird>
> https://app.box.com/s/bmrg5dw6ct2ktowabq3zo7xfghy2iwyx
> Mozilla Thunderbird <http://www.getthunderbird.com/> makes it easy to
> share large files over email.
>
> Just a thought ... In my later jobs, there were schemes for getting
> recognition for continued personal development (or whatever the current
> jargon is) - for example, the Institute of Quality Assurance offered CPD
> points for every course or local get together you attended.  And what do
> points mean?  With all these reprints on offer, the BBC was in an excellent
> position to establish something like this back during our time there .. but
> there again, hindsight is always 20/20 vision.  I think we should award
> ourselves CPD points for each Disorganised  ('cos I learn a lot each
> time!), and get double for organising one!
>
> --
>
> Best Regards
>
> Alec
>
> Alec Bray
> alec.bray.2 at gmail.com
> mob:     07789 561 346
> home:  0118 942 9543
>
> <Mail Attachment>--
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From mibridge at mac.com  Mon Jul 16 15:22:34 2018
From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles)
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2018 21:22:34 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Engineering Training Supplement 11 Lighting for
 Television Outside Broadcasts
In-Reply-To: <CAA0HHB0nFL0BeJ9o5G-8m=L32DUOr3WhWB4rueBRD8+cX0ZqGA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ca90700c-e516-0315-b4a6-3c988c6c5ff5@gmail.com>
	<0F3B2692-5693-45F0-BE12-AE2427271809@mac.com>
	<CAA0HHB0nFL0BeJ9o5G-8m=L32DUOr3WhWB4rueBRD8+cX0ZqGA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <328D74D8-F724-49F2-B6ED-E52AB284C970@mac.com>

Thank you Alec ~ I shall add it to my regular vocabulary!

Mike G


> On 16 Jul 2018, at 21:17, Alec Bray via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> A colophon is just the printer's trademark or symbol and the printer's address. It can include other info as well!
> BR Alec
> 
> 
> On Mon, 16 Jul 2018, 20:40 Mike Giles, <mibridge at mac.com <mailto:mibridge at mac.com>> wrote:
> Please, sir ~ what?s a colophon? 
> 
> Mike G (Sound guy, in case you hadn?t guessed!)
> 
>> On 16 Jul 2018, at 17:55, Alec Bray via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello everyone,
>> 
>> The Engineering Training Supplement no 11:  "Lighting for Television Outside Broadcasts"  is not a reprint: this booklet was actually originated and produced by BBC Engineering Training Department - properly printed with a colophon (of sorts) - and published in 1957.  (NB:  It's quite a large booklet).   It was still current in the mid to late 1960s, which is when I picked up this copy.
>> Here you will learn how to light a circus and circus audience, a cathedral and the altar .... there are lots of interesting touches all the way through.  How to get a suitable dramatic effect whilst fully modulating the video signal, for example: it was important with the cameras and receivers of the time.
>> Hope you enjoy it (oh, sorry, my scanner flipped one of the illustrations during processing ...)
>> 
>> I've linked 1 file to this email:
>> <gpfneflecdgaaggo.png>Lighting-for-TV-OBs.pdf <https://app.box.com/s/bmrg5dw6ct2ktowabq3zo7xfghy2iwyx>(44.2 MB)<box-logo.png>Box <https://www.box.com/thunderbird>https://app.box.com/s/bmrg5dw6ct2ktowabq3zo7xfghy2iwyx
>>  <https://app.box.com/s/bmrg5dw6ct2ktowabq3zo7xfghy2iwyx>
>> Mozilla Thunderbird <http://www.getthunderbird.com/> makes it easy to share large files over email.
>> Just a thought ... In my later jobs, there were schemes for getting recognition for continued personal development (or whatever the current jargon is) - for example, the Institute of Quality Assurance offered CPD points for every course or local get together you attended.  And what do points mean?  With all these reprints on offer, the BBC was in an excellent position to establish something like this back during our time there .. but there again, hindsight is always 20/20 vision.  I think we should award ourselves CPD points for each Disorganised  ('cos I learn a lot each time!), and get double for organising one!
>> -- 
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>> Best Regards
>> 
>> Alec
>> 
>> Alec Bray
>> 
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From waresound at msn.com  Mon Jul 16 16:18:37 2018
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2018 21:18:37 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Engineering Training Supplement 11 Lighting for Television
 Outside Broadcasts
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How disappointing. I thought ?phon? must have something to do with sound and ?colo? meaning coloured sound, colouration. Maybe we should patent ?colophonics? - a word that might come in useful sometime. Mind you, colo, that could be something to do with the colon (crap sound).
Nick.
Sent from my iPad

On 16 Jul 2018, at 21:23, Mike Giles via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk<mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:

Thank you Alec ~ I shall add it to my regular vocabulary!

Mike G


On 16 Jul 2018, at 21:17, Alec Bray via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk<mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:

A colophon is just the printer's trademark or symbol and the printer's address. It can include other info as well!
BR Alec


On Mon, 16 Jul 2018, 20:40 Mike Giles, <mibridge at mac.com<mailto:mibridge at mac.com>> wrote:
Please, sir ~ what?s a colophon?

Mike G (Sound guy, in case you hadn?t guessed!)

On 16 Jul 2018, at 17:55, Alec Bray via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk<mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:


Hello everyone,

The Engineering Training Supplement no 11:  "Lighting for Television Outside Broadcasts"  is not a reprint: this booklet was actually originated and produced by BBC Engineering Training Department - properly printed with a colophon (of sorts) - and published in 1957.  (NB:  It's quite a large booklet).   It was still current in the mid to late 1960s, which is when I picked up this copy.

Here you will learn how to light a circus and circus audience, a cathedral and the altar .... there are lots of interesting touches all the way through.  How to get a suitable dramatic effect whilst fully modulating the video signal, for example: it was important with the cameras and receivers of the time.

Hope you enjoy it (oh, sorry, my scanner flipped one of the illustrations during processing ...)

I've linked 1 file to this email:
<gpfneflecdgaaggo.png>Lighting-for-TV-OBs.pdf<https://app.box.com/s/bmrg5dw6ct2ktowabq3zo7xfghy2iwyx>(44.2 MB)<box-logo.png>Box<https://www.box.com/thunderbird>https://app.box.com/s/bmrg5dw6ct2ktowabq3zo7xfghy2iwyx
Mozilla Thunderbird<http://www.getthunderbird.com/> makes it easy to share large files over email.

Just a thought ... In my later jobs, there were schemes for getting recognition for continued personal development (or whatever the current jargon is) - for example, the Institute of Quality Assurance offered CPD points for every course or local get together you attended.  And what do points mean?  With all these reprints on offer, the BBC was in an excellent position to establish something like this back during our time there .. but there again, hindsight is always 20/20 vision.  I think we should award ourselves CPD points for each Disorganised  ('cos I learn a lot each time!), and get double for organising one!

--

Best Regards

Alec

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mob:     07789 561 346
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From johnhcox at gmail.com  Tue Jul 17 04:35:01 2018
From: johnhcox at gmail.com (John Cox)
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2018 10:35:01 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Engineering Training Supplement 11 Lighting for Television
 Outside Broadcasts
Message-ID: <5b4db843.1c69fb81.dd62c.629e@mx.google.com>

The author of ?Lighting For Television Outside Broadcasts?, Henry Mayhew, was the senior Lighting Engineer at TV OBS Wembley in 1946/50s. He was a lovely man but he always wore a grumpy face. His nickname was Grump which he liked, Grump Mayhew.

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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Tue Jul 17 15:48:23 2018
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2018 21:48:23 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Stornos
Message-ID: <6d5734ff-6627-7e3c-bbb0-2637406ec6f3@btinternet.com>

Wow, if we could have had these 20 years ago think how much easier our 
comms. could have been! ( tongue-in-cheek joke about our lovely Storno 
'bricks' we used to carry around!) Cheers, Dave

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From patheigham at amps.net  Tue Jul 17 16:24:50 2018
From: patheigham at amps.net (patrickheigham)
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2018 22:24:50 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Stornos
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References: <6d5734ff-6627-7e3c-bbb0-2637406ec6f3@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <8F59E853CC534E9AA965D95B50EF051A@PATRICKSONY>

Well, 40 odd years ago, on 007 "Man with the Golden Gun"
we were in Hong Kong with rather dodgy W/T's which were
large shoulder strap units with a cabled hand mic.
The local post office department were very twitchy about the
accuracy and power of the frequencies, and came to our
equipment room to check the possible problems as we were
working very close to the then Chinese border.
They decreed that we could only use 12 units. The rest had to be
boxed up and sealed. We had a couple of units that had gone U/S
anyway so not much of a problem.
Later, moving to the excellent Motorolas, we constantly had to
remonstrate with the show-off 2nd and 3rd Assistant Directors
who would insist on swinging the units around by the aerials
when re-holstering them like a sodding cowboy's six shooter!

After a spell, my HoD's always insisted that the production
took responsibility for hiring and charging the W/T's, thus shunting
problems away from the sound department.

Attached, which might be of interest, is an article that I wrote
for the Journal of my Film Sound Guild (AMPS).

Regards
Pat

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To: <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2018 9:48 PM
Subject: [Tech1] Stornos


> Wow, if we could have had these 20 years ago think how much easier our 
> comms. could have been! ( tongue-in-cheek joke about our lovely Storno 
> 'bricks' we used to carry around!) Cheers, Dave


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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Tue Jul 17 17:00:57 2018
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2018 23:00:57 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Stornos
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They became a badge-of-office on ' TFI Friday' - if you didn't have one 
you were a nobody! I think the comms. guys issued at least 25? every 
week to all-and-sundry (Mike Jordan will know more about that). You 
looked as though you belonged, and that was the main thing ( and most 
did it free-of-charge to get themselves known!) On their CV it might 
have said - ' I had a mobile on 'TFI Friday'. That's the awfulness of 
the free-lance world for the youngsters today. Cheers, Dave


On 17/07/2018 22:24, patrickheigham wrote:
> Well, 40 odd years ago, on 007 "Man with the Golden Gun"
> we were in Hong Kong with rather dodgy W/T's which were
> large shoulder strap units with a cabled hand mic.
> The local post office department were very twitchy about the
> accuracy and power of the frequencies, and came to our
> equipment room to check the possible problems as we were
> working very close to the then Chinese border.
> They decreed that we could only use 12 units. The rest had to be
> boxed up and sealed. We had a couple of units that had gone U/S
> anyway so not much of a problem.
> Later, moving to the excellent Motorolas, we constantly had to
> remonstrate with the show-off 2nd and 3rd Assistant Directors
> who would insist on swinging the units around by the aerials
> when re-holstering them like a sodding cowboy's six shooter!
>
> After a spell, my HoD's always insisted that the production
> took responsibility for hiring and charging the W/T's, thus shunting
> problems away from the sound department.
>
> Attached, which might be of interest, is an article that I wrote
> for the Journal of my Film Sound Guild (AMPS).
>
> Regards
> Pat
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "dave.mdv via Tech1" 
> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> To: <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2018 9:48 PM
> Subject: [Tech1] Stornos
>
>
>> Wow, if we could have had these 20 years ago think how much easier 
>> our comms. could have been! ( tongue-in-cheek joke about our lovely 
>> Storno 'bricks' we used to carry around!) Cheers, Dave
>
>
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From alex.thomas1 at talktalk.net  Tue Jul 17 17:32:43 2018
From: alex.thomas1 at talktalk.net (Alex Thomas)
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2018 23:32:43 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Stornos
In-Reply-To: <6d5734ff-6627-7e3c-bbb0-2637406ec6f3@btinternet.com>
References: <6d5734ff-6627-7e3c-bbb0-2637406ec6f3@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <000c01d41e1e$148a09f0$3d9e1dd0$@thomas1@talktalk.net>

I remember the radio talkback that was purchased by OBs and preceded the Storno.

The supplier's previous comms experience was wiring up hotel radios so that guests could listen to radio programmes.

The receiver was just about usable but the transmitter, a separate unit, was almost useless. 

Its aerial was about 1 metre long and consisted of a thin black wire which hung down by one's left leg towards the ground. 

The receiver had a similar aerial and hung down outside the right leg.

The receiving aerial could mask the sending aerial if it was in line with the scanner. 

So "press to talk" also meant ensuring that you were at right angles to the truck. 

But it was British and cheap.

When the Storno kit eventually arrived we welcomed it with open arms.



-----Original Message-----
From: Tech1 [mailto:tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk] On Behalf Of dave.mdv via Tech1
Sent: 17 July 2018 21:48
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: [Tech1] Stornos

Wow, if we could have had these 20 years ago think how much easier our comms. could have been! ( tongue-in-cheek joke about our lovely Storno 'bricks' we used to carry around!) Cheers, Dave




From wmx at btopenworld.com  Tue Jul 17 17:37:38 2018
From: wmx at btopenworld.com (wmx at btopenworld.com)
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2018 23:37:38 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] BBC OB Van
Message-ID: <654F753667F741CFBBEC5352FA15DD0D@BryantsHP2>

Dear all,

I wonder if anyone can help.  A relation of ours in Norfolk has recently sent the attached and to ask if we knew of anyone ?could shed some light on this BBC outside broadcast van shown in the attached photo whom we met at a vintage vehicle show in Holt at the beginning of July? 
Brian the guy that now owns it has so far had virtually no help/assistance from the BBC with regard to its working life and he is desperate to find out any info about it -  if you are able could you please ring or write to him.

Brian Morgan 01775 670356

Nil Desperandum,

Tongue End,

Spalding,

Lincolnshire

PE11 3JN?

I don?t think any of us are going to be surprised that he?s had no help from the BBC ? there won?t be anyone left who remotely knows what a turret lens looked like!  So if any of you can help and contact Brian Morgan, that would be grand.

Thanks,

Warwick Cross

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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Tue Jul 17 19:20:19 2018
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2018 01:20:19 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Long aerials
In-Reply-To: <000c01d41e1e$148a09f0$3d9e1dd0$@thomas1@talktalk.net>
References: <6d5734ff-6627-7e3c-bbb0-2637406ec6f3@btinternet.com>
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One of my first jobs on OBs on attachment from TVC was a Tom Stoppard 
play (EGBDF) at Wembley Conference centre with full orchestra behind 
drapes. I had to fit the current BBC OBs band 1 radio mic to Sir Ian 
McKellen with its metre long aerial over his shoulder etc.! and tape it 
to his body with toup? tape as usual! The newer radio mics were much 
easier on the sound crew! Cheers, Dave


On 17/07/2018 23:32, Alex Thomas wrote:
> I remember the radio talkback that was purchased by OBs and preceded the Storno.
>
> The supplier's previous comms experience was wiring up hotel radios so that guests could listen to radio programmes.
>
> The receiver was just about usable but the transmitter, a separate unit, was almost useless.
>
> Its aerial was about 1 metre long and consisted of a thin black wire which hung down by one's left leg towards the ground.
>
> The receiver had a similar aerial and hung down outside the right leg.
>
> The receiving aerial could mask the sending aerial if it was in line with the scanner.
>
> So "press to talk" also meant ensuring that you were at right angles to the truck.
>
> But it was British and cheap.
>
> When the Storno kit eventually arrived we welcomed it with open arms.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tech1 [mailto:tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk] On Behalf Of dave.mdv via Tech1
> Sent: 17 July 2018 21:48
> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> Subject: [Tech1] Stornos
>
> Wow, if we could have had these 20 years ago think how much easier our comms. could have been! ( tongue-in-cheek joke about our lovely Storno 'bricks' we used to carry around!) Cheers, Dave
>
>



From mikej at bmanor.co.uk  Wed Jul 18 03:36:21 2018
From: mikej at bmanor.co.uk (Mike Jordan)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2018 09:36:21 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Stornos
In-Reply-To: <6d5734ff-6627-7e3c-bbb0-2637406ec6f3@btinternet.com>
References: <6d5734ff-6627-7e3c-bbb0-2637406ec6f3@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <95B4922644CE443DAD2DE6037852DA7E@Gigabyte>

I just bought a similar pair from Lidl recently for about the same price. 
Didn't include headset and of course plugging in an earpiece disables the 
internal mic so it was get out an old Motorola headset (where ALL the foam 
had since turned to dust/gunk) and making a  4pole 1.5mm jack bodge join.
In OBs we as Comms used to look after all the Storno 500s and I well 
remember after the Moscow Olympics(?) in about 197something sitting 
restoring to BBC channels which meant changing the crystals and in some 
cases internal modules. All done in our screened room that was a Faraday 
Cage to be RF proof.
The Storno 7000s were a joy after that.
As Mr mdv says, I was always i/c stornos at TFI Friday including also 
retuning (still have the adaptor and software that only works on Windows 95) 
and a couple of handhelds but only 2 batteries even hold  a little charge. 
Had been using them for a dish rig up a bit north before returning to London 
and was surprised to receive Proms in Park Prod T/B  by Hyde Park (who, 
someone using BBC frequencies - me? surely not).
No use now but still have a HUGE Storno 6000 in loft - why? don't know.
Also a couple of CB radios - remember those?

Mike

-----Original Message----- 
From: dave.mdv via Tech1
Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2018 9:48 PM
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: [Tech1] Stornos

Wow, if we could have had these 20 years ago think how much easier our
comms. could have been! ( tongue-in-cheek joke about our lovely Storno
'bricks' we used to carry around!) Cheers, Dave



From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com  Wed Jul 18 04:05:23 2018
From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2018 10:05:23 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] BBC Engineering Dept Reprint: Camera Tubes for Studio Use
Message-ID: <ccafb6c8-8261-52f1-fdf8-a57a35a71815@gmail.com>

Hi all,

Apologies to all of you "Gentlemen (and Ladies) of SOUND".? There must 
have been many Engineering Department reprints about Sound Pickup, 
Amplification, Recording, Reproduction and Transmission - but as you can 
guess, I was always more interested in the Pictures side of things: I 
have exhausted my supply of sound-related reprints.

Today's reprint is a comparison of Vidicon and I.O. tubes, aimed at 
those setting up Educational Television Services (this is in 1963) and 
is : ".. an interpretation of the major factors that deserve 
consideration in the selection of camera tubes..."


I've linked 1 file to this email:
Camera-Tubes-for-Studio-Use.pdf 
<https://app.box.com/s/mrilnvge7nr84cgrdy0wg4vbu9vum75d>(5.9 MB)Box 
<https://www.box.com/thunderbird>https://app.box.com/s/mrilnvge7nr84cgrdy0wg4vbu9vum75d
Mozilla Thunderbird <http://www.getthunderbird.com> makes it easy to 
share large files over email.


Hope that it's interesting ...at least it's short ...

-- 

Best Regards

Alec

Alec Bray

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mob:     07789 561 346
home:  0118 942 9543

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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Wed Jul 18 04:09:02 2018
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2018 10:09:02 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Stornos
In-Reply-To: <95B4922644CE443DAD2DE6037852DA7E@Gigabyte>
References: <6d5734ff-6627-7e3c-bbb0-2637406ec6f3@btinternet.com>
	<95B4922644CE443DAD2DE6037852DA7E@Gigabyte>
Message-ID: <10a31fd1-4ec2-f3cb-1ce3-12e1dccd236e@gmail.com>

I've had these for a long time. Originally bought for an OB we were 
doing at the Rose Theatre, they run on 446MHz and are really useful for 
taking up into the loft and not having to shout at helpers two floors 
below, and other obscure things. Only ?35.



B


On 18/07/2018 09:36, Mike Jordan via Tech1 wrote:
> I just bought a similar pair from Lidl recently for about the same 
> price. Didn't include headset and of course plugging in an earpiece 
> disables the internal mic so it was get out an old Motorola headset 
> (where ALL the foam had since turned to dust/gunk) and making a? 4pole 
> 1.5mm jack bodge join.
> In OBs we as Comms used to look after all the Storno 500s and I well 
> remember after the Moscow Olympics(?) in about 197something sitting 
> restoring to BBC channels which meant changing the crystals and in 
> some cases internal modules. All done in our screened room that was a 
> Faraday Cage to be RF proof.
> The Storno 7000s were a joy after that.
> As Mr mdv says, I was always i/c stornos at TFI Friday including also 
> retuning (still have the adaptor and software that only works on 
> Windows 95) and a couple of handhelds but only 2 batteries even hold? 
> a little charge. Had been using them for a dish rig up a bit north 
> before returning to London and was surprised to receive Proms in Park 
> Prod T/B? by Hyde Park (who, someone using BBC frequencies - me? 
> surely not).
> No use now but still have a HUGE Storno 6000 in loft - why? don't know.
> Also a couple of CB radios - remember those?
>
> Mike
>
> -----Original Message----- From: dave.mdv via Tech1
> Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2018 9:48 PM
> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> Subject: [Tech1] Stornos
>
> Wow, if we could have had these 20 years ago think how much easier our
> comms. could have been! ( tongue-in-cheek joke about our lovely Storno
> 'bricks' we used to carry around!) Cheers, Dave
>
>

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From dave at davesound.co.uk  Wed Jul 18 04:56:27 2018
From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2018 10:56:27 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Stornos
Message-ID: <57197b3147dave@davesound.co.uk>

At Thames Teddington, nothing got thrown away, and when I arrived there
they still had the remains of what they called the Spembly (sp?) system. 
Operated on the AM long wave band. Looked distinctly home made - but was
told it worked quite well in its day. For talkback.

-- 
*Time is fun when you're having flies... Kermit

    Dave Plowman     dave at davesound.co.uk     London SW 12
    


From patheigham at amps.net  Wed Jul 18 08:12:45 2018
From: patheigham at amps.net (patrickheigham)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2018 14:12:45 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] W/T's
In-Reply-To: <4c019075-4a23-a88f-403a-a32b979e39d2@btinternet.com>
References: <6d5734ff-6627-7e3c-bbb0-2637406ec6f3@btinternet.com>
	<8F59E853CC534E9AA965D95B50EF051A@PATRICKSONY>
	<4c019075-4a23-a88f-403a-a32b979e39d2@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <E7FE5A6977794FB0AEA834443D473AC9@PATRICKSONY>

Another story from Pat...
(attached as .pdf)

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From: "dave.mdv" <dave.mdv at btinternet.com>
To: "patrickheigham" <patheigham at amps.net>; <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2018 11:00 PM
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Stornos


> They became a badge-of-office on ' TFI Friday' - if you didn't have one 
> you were a nobody! I think the comms. guys issued at least 25 every 
> week to all-and-sundry (Mike Jordan will know more about that). You 
> looked as though you belonged, and that was the main thing ( and most 
> did it free-of-charge to get themselves known!) On their CV it might 
> have said - ' I had a mobile on 'TFI Friday'. That's the awfulness of 
> the free-lance world for the youngsters today. Cheers, Dave


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From keithwicksuk at gmail.com  Wed Jul 18 08:36:00 2018
From: keithwicksuk at gmail.com (Keith Wicks)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2018 14:36:00 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] De-interlacing video (was Re:  vlc)
Message-ID: <CAA=qGJmyphsYpA97Ka5fx-5O3bOE2u2mU48p63bOFvE22UUfQw@mail.gmail.com>

Dave: The problem you describe is common and can usually be solved by using
software with a de-interlacing facility when copying to one's preferred
format. HandBrake has this and also another facility called Decomb. For
more details, see:
https://www.macxdvd.com/mac-dvd-video-converter-how-to/handbrake-deinterlace-video.htm

For de-interlacing using VLC software, see:
https://wiki.videolan.org/deinterlacing

KW

On 14 July 2018 at 09:53, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
wrote:

> Distinctly wrong field order - an error by the person who rendered the
> video. It's possible in some cases to put the piece back in to Premiere or
> whatever and invert the order so it looks right.
>
> If "wrong field order" is meaningless, it refers to interlaced video,
> where the lines in a frame are sent in two fields (back to Evesham),
> generally odd lines first and even second. DV is the other way round for
> some reason.  I've made this error a few times - very annoying when the
> video is long and takes ages to render - but it's very obvious when you
> look.
>
> B
>
>
>
> On 13/07/2018 23:57, dave.mdv wrote:
>
> Thanks, Bernie, it was just an ordinary download of a .vob file, some play
> perfectly OK but some have this castellated effect, especially on moving
> images, so I wondered what settings , if any, in vlc would cure the
> problem. Cheers, Dave. Attached is an example
>
> On 13/07/2018 23:26, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote:
>
> It would probably be useful to have much more detail, but it could be
> that when you rendered you set the field order wrong. Either that or you're
> on 2" tape and you've got a bit of Venetian blinding. I think you have to
> move the head assemble up or down a bit - but I only ever watched.
>
> B
>
>
>
> On 13/07/2018 22:52, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote:
>
> Just wondering why some video vertical edges look like a comb, ie.
> serrated, especially when you zoom in? What is the problem and how  can I
> fix it?  Cheers, Dave
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com  Wed Jul 18 10:44:23 2018
From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2018 16:44:23 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] BBC-B micro going begging
Message-ID: <1c4df39d-6eea-467e-2fa5-2ba8a49eeae3@gmail.com>

Hi all,

One BBC-B microcomputer - working status unknown - looking for a home.? 
I have no idea if it still works - haven't got the means to test it out.

Used in the 1980s to produce programs for "A & B Computing", a 
commercially sold program, and as a dumb terminal communicating via 
modems and phone lines to a UNIX server (well, we were in the forefront 
of internet technology...)

So you see, it means something to me.... but if no takers, it's destined 
for the tip.

I can bring it to the upcoming Disorganised, if that helps.

-- 

Best Regards

Alec

Alec Bray

alec.bray.2 at gmail.com
mob:     07789 561 346
home:  0118 942 9543



From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Wed Jul 18 11:32:48 2018
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2018 17:32:48 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] De-interlacing video (was Re:  vlc)
In-Reply-To: <CAA=qGJmyphsYpA97Ka5fx-5O3bOE2u2mU48p63bOFvE22UUfQw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAA=qGJmyphsYpA97Ka5fx-5O3bOE2u2mU48p63bOFvE22UUfQw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8dbdd166-73ff-7ccd-3d47-1ab3940b6462@btinternet.com>

Thanks Keith, very interesting. Cheers, Dave


On 18/07/2018 14:36, Keith Wicks wrote:
> Dave: The problem you describe is common and can usually be solved by 
> using software with a de-interlacing facility when copying to one's 
> preferred format. HandBrake has this and also another facility called 
> Decomb. For more details, see:
> https://www.macxdvd.com/mac-dvd-video-converter-how-to/handbrake-deinterlace-video.htm
>
> For de-interlacing using VLC software, see:
> https://wiki.videolan.org/deinterlacing
>
> KW
>
> On 14 July 2018 at 09:53, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 
> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:
>
>     Distinctly wrong field order - anerror by the person who rendered
>     the video. It's possible in some cases to put the piece back in to
>     Premiere or whatever and invert the order so it looks right.
>
>     If "wrong field order" is meaningless, it refers to interlaced
>     video, where the lines in a frame are sent in two fields (back to
>     Evesham), generally odd lines first and even second. DV is the
>     other wayround for some reason.? I've made this error a few times
>     - very annoying when the video is long and takes ages to render -
>     but it's very obvious when you look.
>
>     B
>
>
>
>     On 13/07/2018 23:57, dave.mdv wrote:
>>
>>     Thanks, Bernie, it was just an ordinary download of a .vob file,
>>     some play perfectly OK but some have this castellated effect,
>>     especially on moving images, so I wondered what settings , if
>>     any, in vlc would cure the problem. Cheers, Dave. Attached is an
>>     example
>>
>>
>>     On 13/07/2018 23:26, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote:
>>>     It would probably be useful to have much more detail, but it
>>>     could be that when you rendered you set the field order wrong.
>>>     Either that or you're on 2" tape and you've got a bit of
>>>     Venetian blinding. I think you have to move the head assemble up
>>>     or down a bit- but I only ever watched.
>>>
>>>     B
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>     On 13/07/2018 22:52, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote:
>>>>     Just wondering why some video vertical edges look like a comb,
>>>>     ie. serrated, especially when you zoom in? What is the problem
>>>>     and how? can I fix it?? Cheers, Dave
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Wed Jul 18 12:04:05 2018
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2018 18:04:05 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] BBC-B micro going begging
In-Reply-To: <1c4df39d-6eea-467e-2fa5-2ba8a49eeae3@gmail.com>
References: <1c4df39d-6eea-467e-2fa5-2ba8a49eeae3@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4490d037-0c55-e404-e6c5-55064e677f9c@ntlworld.com>

If it makes the sound - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQGvOOecoow - 
it's probably ok, I would have thought.

B



On 18/07/2018 16:44, Alec Bray via Tech1 wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> One BBC-B microcomputer - working status unknown - looking for a 
> home.? I have no idea if it still works - haven't got the means to 
> test it out.
>
> Used in the 1980s to produce programs for "A & B Computing", a 
> commercially sold program, and as a dumb terminal communicating via 
> modems and phone lines to a UNIX server (well, we were in the 
> forefront of internet technology...)
>
> So you see, it means something to me.... but if no takers, it's 
> destined for the tip.
>
> I can bring it to the upcoming Disorganised, if that helps.
>

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From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com  Thu Jul 19 02:25:18 2018
From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2018 08:25:18 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] BBC-B micro going begging
In-Reply-To: <4490d037-0c55-e404-e6c5-55064e677f9c@ntlworld.com>
References: <1c4df39d-6eea-467e-2fa5-2ba8a49eeae3@gmail.com>
	<4490d037-0c55-e404-e6c5-55064e677f9c@ntlworld.com>
Message-ID: <5fff9a62-93bb-d05c-442f-ac2fd7f3978b@gmail.com>

Hi


On 18/07/2018 18:04, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote:
> If it makes the sound -? - it's probably ok, 

Thanks, Bernie.? Tried that!? Well, it beeps nicely, the lights flash, 
and then the Caps Lock LED comes on.

It comes complete with User Guide (in good condition), the welcome Tape, 
and a printer cable (of sorts).

-- 

Best Regards

Alec

Alec Bray

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mob:     07789 561 346
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From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com  Thu Jul 19 03:03:40 2018
From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2018 09:03:40 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] BBC Engineering Dept Reprint: The Development of Compatible
 Colour TV
Message-ID: <0492004c-4dba-a5b2-80f9-d526308370fa@gmail.com>

Hi all,

In the mid 1960s, there was a great interest in the development of 
Colour Television.? I never got to work in studio H, although I poked my 
nose in there several times!

Here is a technical discussion from the EBU:? it covers

Sequential transmission (sending in sequence Red Green and Blue signals)
NTSC
NTSC developments
TSC
Henri de France System
SECAM
FAM
SECAM-NTSC (first and second version)
PAL
ART
Multiburst Technique

Who knew?


I think that this was a "bought in" reprint, rather than one generated 
"in-house", as there is no yellow (or pink) cover.



I've linked 1 file to this email:
Development-of-compatible-colour-TV.pdf 
<https://app.box.com/s/53zpz27l0h7k65dlyut3lbh2j7ws65gp>(10.6 MB)Box 
<https://www.box.com/thunderbird>https://app.box.com/s/53zpz27l0h7k65dlyut3lbh2j7ws65gp
Mozilla Thunderbird <http://www.getthunderbird.com> makes it easy to 
share large files over email.

-- 

Best Regards

Alec

Alec Bray

alec.bray.2 at gmail.com
mob:     07789 561 346
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From dave at davesound.co.uk  Thu Jul 19 04:59:13 2018
From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2018 10:59:13 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] BBC-B micro going begging
In-Reply-To: <1c4df39d-6eea-467e-2fa5-2ba8a49eeae3@gmail.com>
References: <1c4df39d-6eea-467e-2fa5-2ba8a49eeae3@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5719ff4826dave@davesound.co.uk>

In article <1c4df39d-6eea-467e-2fa5-2ba8a49eeae3 at gmail.com>,
   Alec Bray via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> Hi all,

> One BBC-B microcomputer - working status unknown - looking for a home.  
> I have no idea if it still works - haven't got the means to test it out.

> Used in the 1980s to produce programs for "A & B Computing", a 
> commercially sold program, and as a dumb terminal communicating via 
> modems and phone lines to a UNIX server (well, we were in the forefront 
> of internet technology...)

> So you see, it means something to me.... but if no takers, it's destined 
> for the tip.

> I can bring it to the upcoming Disorganised, if that helps.

If you get no offers, Alec, I could ask on an Acorn group. May even be
worth a few beer vouchers. Or at least better than junking it. (I still
use an Acorn for some things - like this group)

-- 
*You're never too old to learn something stupid.

    Dave Plowman     dave at davesound.co.uk     London SW 12
    


From bernie833 at gmail.com  Thu Jul 19 05:54:05 2018
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2018 11:54:05 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] BBC-B micro going begging
In-Reply-To: <5719ff4826dave@davesound.co.uk>
References: <1c4df39d-6eea-467e-2fa5-2ba8a49eeae3@gmail.com>
	<5719ff4826dave@davesound.co.uk>
Message-ID: <1db59f9b-b75c-adc3-b011-f9463e02adac@ntlworld.com>

I have two, seems terribly sad to chuck them.

B



On 19/07/2018 10:59, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote:
> In article <1c4df39d-6eea-467e-2fa5-2ba8a49eeae3 at gmail.com>,
>     Alec Bray via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> Hi all,
>> One BBC-B microcomputer - working status unknown - looking for a home.
>> I have no idea if it still works - haven't got the means to test it out.
>> Used in the 1980s to produce programs for "A & B Computing", a
>> commercially sold program, and as a dumb terminal communicating via
>> modems and phone lines to a UNIX server (well, we were in the forefront
>> of internet technology...)
>> So you see, it means something to me.... but if no takers, it's destined
>> for the tip.
>> I can bring it to the upcoming Disorganised, if that helps.
> If you get no offers, Alec, I could ask on an Acorn group. May even be
> worth a few beer vouchers. Or at least better than junking it. (I still
> use an Acorn for some things - like this group)
>

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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Thu Jul 19 05:54:19 2018
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2018 11:54:19 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] BBC-B micro going begging
In-Reply-To: <5719ff4826dave@davesound.co.uk>
References: <1c4df39d-6eea-467e-2fa5-2ba8a49eeae3@gmail.com>
	<5719ff4826dave@davesound.co.uk>
Message-ID: <bbaf7819-0b73-4cd4-9ee2-54c4f494b094@gmail.com>

I have two, seems terribly sad to chuck them.

B



On 19/07/2018 10:59, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote:
> In article<1c4df39d-6eea-467e-2fa5-2ba8a49eeae3 at gmail.com>,
>     Alec Bray via Tech1<tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>  wrote:
>> Hi all,
>> One BBC-B microcomputer - working status unknown - looking for a home.
>> I have no idea if it still works - haven't got the means to test it out.
>> Used in the 1980s to produce programs for "A & B Computing", a
>> commercially sold program, and as a dumb terminal communicating via
>> modems and phone lines to a UNIX server (well, we were in the forefront
>> of internet technology...)
>> So you see, it means something to me.... but if no takers, it's destined
>> for the tip.
>> I can bring it to the upcoming Disorganised, if that helps.
> If you get no offers, Alec, I could ask on an Acorn group. May even be
> worth a few beer vouchers. Or at least better than junking it. (I still
> use an Acorn for some things - like this group)
>

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From geoffreyhawkes at btinternet.com  Thu Jul 19 06:23:44 2018
From: geoffreyhawkes at btinternet.com (Geoff Hawkes)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2018 12:23:44 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] BBC-B micro going begging
In-Reply-To: <5719ff4826dave@davesound.co.uk>
References: <1c4df39d-6eea-467e-2fa5-2ba8a49eeae3@gmail.com>
	<5719ff4826dave@davesound.co.uk>
Message-ID: <000f01d41f52$f4210110$dc630330$@btinternet.com>

I too have a much loved BBC-B, along with a teletext adaptor from the 1980's
sitting in my loft. It had a Watford Electronics sideways RAM card fitted
which enabled the extra memory for some of the games that were around then,
like the Dr Who game which I and my son liked playing. I used to enjoy
writing programs for it in BBC Basic, a wonderfully logical computer
language and a bit of machine code when I could fathom it. Like a lot of
things that have sentimental attachment, I hang onto it though it may not
even work now,

Regards,
Geoff Hawkes

-----Original Message-----
From: Tech1 [mailto:tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk] On Behalf Of Dave Plowman
via Tech1
Sent: 19 July 2018 10:59
To: TechOps Forum
Subject: Re: [Tech1] BBC-B micro going begging

In article <1c4df39d-6eea-467e-2fa5-2ba8a49eeae3 at gmail.com>,
   Alec Bray via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> Hi all,

> One BBC-B microcomputer - working status unknown - looking for a home.  
> I have no idea if it still works - haven't got the means to test it out.

> Used in the 1980s to produce programs for "A & B Computing", a 
> commercially sold program, and as a dumb terminal communicating via 
> modems and phone lines to a UNIX server (well, we were in the forefront 
> of internet technology...)

> So you see, it means something to me.... but if no takers, it's destined 
> for the tip.

> I can bring it to the upcoming Disorganised, if that helps.

If you get no offers, Alec, I could ask on an Acorn group. May even be
worth a few beer vouchers. Or at least better than junking it. (I still
use an Acorn for some things - like this group)

-- 
*You're never too old to learn something stupid.

    Dave Plowman     dave at davesound.co.uk     London SW 12
    

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From gary_critcher at yahoo.com  Thu Jul 19 06:32:29 2018
From: gary_critcher at yahoo.com (Gary Critcher)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2018 11:32:29 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tech1] BBC-B micro going begging
In-Reply-To: <000f01d41f52$f4210110$dc630330$@btinternet.com>
References: <1c4df39d-6eea-467e-2fa5-2ba8a49eeae3@gmail.com>
	<5719ff4826dave@davesound.co.uk>
	<000f01d41f52$f4210110$dc630330$@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <960019458.10501101.1531999949297@mail.yahoo.com>

 '...I hang onto it though it may not even work now,'

?? I've felt like that about some of my past girlfriends!
    On Thursday, 19 July 2018, 12:24:09 GMT+1, Geoff Hawkes via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:  
 
 I too have a much loved BBC-B, along with a teletext adaptor from the 1980's
sitting in my loft. It had a Watford Electronics sideways RAM card fitted
which enabled the extra memory for some of the games that were around then,
like the Dr Who game which I and my son liked playing. I used to enjoy
writing programs for it in BBC Basic, a wonderfully logical computer
language and a bit of machine code when I could fathom it. Like a lot of
things that have sentimental attachment, I hang onto it though it may not
even work now,

Regards,
Geoff Hawkes

-----Original Message-----
From: Tech1 [mailto:tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk] On Behalf Of Dave Plowman
via Tech1
Sent: 19 July 2018 10:59
To: TechOps Forum
Subject: Re: [Tech1] BBC-B micro going begging

In article <1c4df39d-6eea-467e-2fa5-2ba8a49eeae3 at gmail.com>,
? Alec Bray via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> Hi all,

> One BBC-B microcomputer - working status unknown - looking for a home.? 
> I have no idea if it still works - haven't got the means to test it out.

> Used in the 1980s to produce programs for "A & B Computing", a 
> commercially sold program, and as a dumb terminal communicating via 
> modems and phone lines to a UNIX server (well, we were in the forefront 
> of internet technology...)

> So you see, it means something to me.... but if no takers, it's destined 
> for the tip.

> I can bring it to the upcoming Disorganised, if that helps.

If you get no offers, Alec, I could ask on an Acorn group. May even be
worth a few beer vouchers. Or at least better than junking it. (I still
use an Acorn for some things - like this group)

-- 
*You're never too old to learn something stupid.

? ? Dave Plowman? ? dave at davesound.co.uk? ? London SW 12
? ? 

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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Thu Jul 19 06:46:32 2018
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2018 12:46:32 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] BBC-B micro going begging
In-Reply-To: <5719ff4826dave@davesound.co.uk>
References: <1c4df39d-6eea-467e-2fa5-2ba8a49eeae3@gmail.com>
	<5719ff4826dave@davesound.co.uk>
Message-ID: <1a52004d-aa83-9ea1-1bca-4fdc7aef803c@gmail.com>

I also have a Mac G4 .? I like the design, and have thought at various 
times about extracting the insides and building it as a PC.? But if 
anyone wants it......

B



On 19/07/2018 10:59, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote:
> In article <1c4df39d-6eea-467e-2fa5-2ba8a49eeae3 at gmail.com>,
>     Alec Bray via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> Hi all,
>> One BBC-B microcomputer - working status unknown - looking for a home.
>> I have no idea if it still works - haven't got the means to test it out.
>> Used in the 1980s to produce programs for "A & B Computing", a
>> commercially sold program, and as a dumb terminal communicating via
>> modems and phone lines to a UNIX server (well, we were in the forefront
>> of internet technology...)
>> So you see, it means something to me.... but if no takers, it's destined
>> for the tip.
>> I can bring it to the upcoming Disorganised, if that helps.
> If you get no offers, Alec, I could ask on an Acorn group. May even be
> worth a few beer vouchers. Or at least better than junking it. (I still
> use an Acorn for some things - like this group)
>

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From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com  Thu Jul 19 06:49:19 2018
From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2018 12:49:19 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] BBC-B micro going begging
In-Reply-To: <000f01d41f52$f4210110$dc630330$@btinternet.com>
References: <1c4df39d-6eea-467e-2fa5-2ba8a49eeae3@gmail.com>
	<5719ff4826dave@davesound.co.uk>
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On 19/07/2018 12:23, Geoff Hawkes via Tech1 wrote:
>   I used to enjoy
> writing programs for it in BBC Basic, a wonderfully logical computer
> language

I first got the BBC-B when I was teaching Computer Studies and 
Mathematics in a Boy's (Comprehensive?) Secondary School set in the 
midst of a? council housing estate in the South of Reading.? We already 
had a couple of Research Machines 380Zs and a VIC 20 - hey, wow, in COLOUR!

The family had to go to Windsor to collect the BBC-B - from Byte - it 
was the only place around? where we could get it!? In order to afford 
it, I had sold a model railway, had sold the largish shed that it was 
in, and had sold an Adana Printing Press on which I had printed our 
Wedding Invitations and the Order of Service (amongst lots of other things).

The school had meanwhile also acquired a couple of BBC-Bs.? These were 
fixed to the benches using a lockable metal frame (and in the course of 
fixing these, I found out that superglue can be eased off the fingers 
using alcohol:? the Research Machines were bolted to the benches using 
1/4 inch coach bolts (did I say it was a rough school?).? Schools gasped 
when they got the BBC-B - ALL THOSE INTERFACES !!

One day, we had a race: a simple counting loop.? Ready, steady, GO!?? At 
the end of the time period (a minute, as I recall), the Research Machine 
380Z (using CP-M as the operating system (which was nice, 'cos you could 
fiddle with it)) had counted up to 300.? The VIC 20 had got to 3000.? 
The BBC-B (with the same chip as the VIC 20 (6502) but interrupt-driven) 
had reached 30 000 !!

-- 

Best Regards

Alec

Alec Bray

alec.bray.2 at gmail.com
mob:     07789 561 346
home:  0118 942 9543



From mikej at bmanor.co.uk  Thu Jul 19 07:03:53 2018
From: mikej at bmanor.co.uk (Mike Jordan)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2018 13:03:53 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] BBC-B micro going begging
In-Reply-To: <000f01d41f52$f4210110$dc630330$@btinternet.com>
References: <1c4df39d-6eea-467e-2fa5-2ba8a49eeae3@gmail.com><5719ff4826dave@davesound.co.uk>
	<000f01d41f52$f4210110$dc630330$@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <46C970099B5E4C549392FB74AEF2827A@Gigabyte>

All this conversation is so so sad really.
I have two also, one was ported into a Viglen case which allowed for tape 
drives to be inside as well. I produced loads of BBC OB planning sheets on 
that one. However, at some point I managed to puncture a cable and it gave 
up.
I also liberated one from a KA skip which still works I think complete with 
some radio quiz show scoring system.
Only recently I rediscovered all my original handbooks and software 
instructions.
Not forgetting a Speccie and a Commodore.
We are all saying "what do I do with this" despite most museums having 
plenty of everything (and BBC not interested)
Time is getting near when no youngsters of today will even know what things 
are and be unable to investigate (other than through Wikipedia) since 
libraries everywhere (certainly here in Ealing) are all closing.
Walking down what is left of West Ealing Broadway just now (BHS gone, 
Woolies went ages ago, Smiths gone, Poundland going, 3 bank branches gone 
etc etc and now a street full of empty ethnic cafes and charity shops and 
now even perfectly strong 1960s flats being demolished for new ones with 
"shared ownership" and other main building is  HUGE new Mosque with NO 
parking and minimal transport facilities). And how to exist without Henrys 
Radio, Tandy, Maplin, City Radio at least still here in Ealing - phew.
Just seen little boy - perhaps 2 years old max - sitting in a pram/buggy 
intent on his mobile phone with never a look at real life around!

Mike
(Boreing old git)

-----Original Message----- 
From: Geoff Hawkes via Tech1
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2018 12:23 PM
To: 'Dave Plowman' ; 'Tech-OpsMailing List'
Subject: Re: [Tech1] BBC-B micro going begging

I too have a much loved BBC-B, along with a teletext adaptor from the 1980's
sitting in my loft. It had a Watford Electronics sideways RAM card fitted
which enabled the extra memory for some of the games that were around then,
like the Dr Who game which I and my son liked playing. I used to enjoy
writing programs for it in BBC Basic, a wonderfully logical computer
language and a bit of machine code when I could fathom it. Like a lot of
things that have sentimental attachment, I hang onto it though it may not
even work now,

Regards,
Geoff Hawkes



From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Thu Jul 19 15:37:13 2018
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2018 21:37:13 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] BBC Micros
Message-ID: <e505f3db-62cb-1f20-a059-89a599689ab5@btinternet.com>

Who hasn't got one is the question? I bought my 'B' 32K version for 
Christmas just after they were available. It was modified with a 
'massive' side-ways RAM of 192K (after trying a Solidisk one) and I 
modified the sound output as well, but I can't remember why! I still 
have the manual and the similar sized Advanced User Guide,? the New 
Advanced User Guide, plus books on programming the BBC Micro and the 
6502 manual. We spent many frustrating hours trying to load cassette 
tapes of Snapper etc. which only improved when I bought a vari-speed 
Marantz cassette player ( which I still have and use now that cassettes 
are back in fashion!). I eventually bought a single 5.5" floppy disc 
player from Neil Eccles and loading programs became much faster! A 
Microvitec Cub monitor was acquired from John Nottage and freed up the 
living room TV! We were lucky in Kendal Avenue in having several 
computer literate engineers who could crack things and provide us with 
copies for a small fee! One genius had his own software company which 
was very useful indeed. I must dig my 'B' out of the loft and turn back 
the clock for a while! Cheers, Dave.



From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Fri Jul 20 02:54:11 2018
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2018 08:54:11 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] BBC Micros
Message-ID: <19debc01-d485-743a-3144-480013f206ba@btinternet.com>

Who hasn't got one is the question? I bought my 'B' 32K version for 
Christmas just after they were available. It was modified with a 
'massive' side-ways RAM of 192K (after trying a Solidisk one) and I 
modified the sound output as well, but I can't remember why! I still 
have the manual and the similar sized Advanced User Guide,? the New 
Advanced User Guide, plus books on programming the BBC Micro and the 
6502 manual. We spent many frustrating hours trying to load cassette 
tapes of Snapper etc. which only improved when I bought a vari-speed 
Marantz cassette player ( which I still have and use now that cassettes 
are back in fashion!). I eventually bought a single 5.5" floppy disc 
player from Neil Eccles and loading programs became much faster! A 
Microvitec Cub monitor was acquired from John Nottage and freed up the 
living room TV! We were lucky in Kendal Avenue in having several 
computer literate engineers who could crack things and provide us with 
copies for a small fee! One genius had his own software company which 
was very useful indeed. I must dig my 'B' out of the loft and turn back 
the clock for a while! Cheers, Dave.



From bernie833 at gmail.com  Fri Jul 20 06:39:29 2018
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2018 12:39:29 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] A Meander through Technology
Message-ID: <d6d4313a-842d-7284-910e-b194ca3a28ae@gmail.com>

Here we are, it?s high summer ? still ? and I felt like sitting in the 
cool and writing.......

So.....

A long time ago I bought a Hauppauge (hop-hog apparently) TV card for 
the computer I had at the time. Actually I still have the same computer, 
but, like Mr Barker's shovel, it's been through a few changes. The card 
worked well, giving me five channels of analogue tv for a number of 
years. Sadly though, not only did Hauppauge not produce drivers after 
Win XP, the world of tv went digital, and so the card went the way of 
all out of date electronics ? shoved in a cupboard and ignored for years 
- till I chucked it out, along with various old video cards.

I had no computer tv for a good while. I have other TVs around the 
place, but there is a certain amount of useful luxury in having tv on 
one computer screen and doing work or sending emails on the other. I 
eventually discovered that for ?6 on eBay you can buy a USB stick that 
does the job, given a proper aerial. It receives DVB, DAB and FM - 
though if you want HD you need to pay a bit more - ?18 -and you get 
receiver software and a remote. It's running Talking Pictures TV on the 
other screen at the moment.

Some idle research dredged up that these USB sticks are amazing things. 
Even the ?6 one can do a lot more than pick up DVB, DAB and FM. It can 
tune pretty much anything up to 1GHz or so. You can make it work with a 
thing called software defined radio - SDR - that has lots of free 
software to play with, though I must admit that I found it hard work. 
Waterfall graphs aren?t very useful as far as I can see, apart from 
making pretty pictures. I could pick up Heathrow Approach, but was a 
whole lot easier on the Sony radio next door, and so was Radio 2. Still, 
it seems that others have practical use for it, even if I haven?t.

But........ If you've ever wondered how Flightradar24 works, this is how 
- lots of people tune USB sticks to 1090Mhz and pick up the ADS-B data 
output from aircraft that are line of sight. That's quite a long way if 
the aircraft is at 40,000ft. At LTFC ( http://www.ltfc.org.uk ) one of 
the pilots wanted to see his aircraft when other people are flying it, 
even when close to the airfield and very low. So a Nooelec stick 
attached to a suitable aerial and plugged into a Raspberry Pi running 
rtl_sdr sorted the problem. FR24 show you how to set up the free 
software and send them the result, and you get a free pro subscription. 
Of course a little knowledge can be a dangerous thing, and Mike worried 
a lot when his aircraft disappeared from FR24 low off the north Scottish 
coast - but of course there aren't any receivers where there aren't any 
people.

Now the real meander begins. I don?t do crosswords or sudoku. When 
you?ve completed them you have a bit of paper with writing on it. I 
enjoy making useful things happen, even if it?s only for me. I?ve 
dabbled in computer programming since the OU in the ?70s ? punched taped 
and a phone line to Milton Keynes. I?m not a real programmer, I grab a 
bit of code from somewhere in some language and twiddle it around till 
it does what I want. I then tend to forget how it all works, and though 
I make lots of notes, they don?t always make sense a long time later.

On the website above there?s a PTZ webcam (a story in itself), which 
sometimes points at an anemometer. The weather station was a sort of 
useful thing we put in a good few years back. For some reason, all these 
years on, though it still shows the sensor outputs on its screen, it no 
longer seems to be able to send the result to the website.

Fiddling around with the USB receiver sticks, I discovered that weather 
station sensors run on 433MHz, and that some software called rtl_433 
could pick up anything sending data on that frequency. I set up my 2010 
Acer Aspire One, now with an SSD and running Linux Lite, in the window 
here overlooking the road. It instantly started showing me lots of tyre 
pressures, a few ignition fobs, and someone?s weather station down the 
road. You can configure rtl_433, and I told it to filter Hideki weather 
sensors. Down at LTFC, there on the screen were the wind direction, 
speed, humidity, temperature and rainfall (none). So the next problem 
was toget those readingsfrom a local computer to the website and show in 
a easy to read fashion.

One of the clubhouse computers runsLinux. This is to stop people 
fiddling, as it runs the front end of FLS, my flight logging system. We 
used to have a big paper spreadsheet so that people could fill in their 
flight hours and how much they were paying. It was always covered in 
Tippex, as just landed pilots tend to go instantly foggy in the head. 
Back in 2008, followed by a re-write in 2014 (no more Flash), I wrote a 
set of web forms so people just needed to pick their name from a list 
and write down a fewnumbers. The system does the rest ? tells them how 
much to pay and records the result so people can do the books. It has 
around 14000 flights recorded now, and yes, it?s GPRD compliant. The 
user screen just shows the GUI, it?s Firefox in kiosk mode, and it runs 
on the Linux computer with a very basic locked down user. Give them 
privileges and they always fiddle. People (real programmers) didn?t 
realise it was just webpages and tried to work out how it works. Not 
with vandalism in mind, just fiddling.Locked out!

I stuck the USB stick in the back of the computer, logged in as an 
admin, ran rtl_433 and it all worked - out came weather sensor data. I 
must admit that at this point I enlisted some help. Command line Linux 
is extremely unfriendly, and setting up CRON jobs even more so. Luckily 
a club member does this for a living, so he made it work for me. Rtl_433 
runs for two minutes and saves the sensor data as a .json file. Every 
fifth minute it sends the file to the website - 
http://www.ltfc.org.uk/send.json .

Though this is readable, I wanted something that is good PR, which is 
really what websites like this are about. I?ve used PHP quite a lot. I?m 
a very basic user, I make it do what I want and that?s it. I?m sure a 
real programmer would be horrified, but they can?t see it, only the 
result. So a webpage created with PHP and HTML5 would be the answer. And 
once again I discovered just what a ramshackle mess web page design is. 
Stuff is endlessly built on top of older structures, and generally by 
people who rarely see the light of day or meet any end user. HTML5 
canvases are a really useful structure, but are written in a completely 
incomprehensible manner. All you can do is find a reference then copy 
and paste till it works. It?s really difficult to find out what error 
you made when it doesn?t work, so much angst ensues till it comes out 
right. One thing I (re)discovered is a that a brower doesn?t download a 
webpage and think ?right, what have we got here?, it executes what it 
sees as it goes, and even if something takes a while to download it just 
rolls on. If you ? if I ? have a dial image and I want to put an arrow 
on it, I?d just better make sure that the dial is loaded long before the 
arrow, or the arrow comes out under the dial. Spit! Teeth gnashing! till 
I worked that out.

Anyway, PHP reads the send.json file and extracts the pertinent bits of 
data and HTML5 puts it on the page using a canvas to turn the arrows to 
the right place . My efforts are still a work in progress with testing 
stuff still on the screen, but I?m getting there - 
http://www.ltfc.org.uk/weather.php .

Crossword well on the way to completion. Meandering continues.

B



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From david.jasma at sky.com  Fri Jul 20 06:43:02 2018
From: david.jasma at sky.com (Dave Buckley)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2018 12:43:02 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] BBC Micros
Message-ID: <000101d4201e$d11578a0$734069e0$@sky.com>

All this talk of the excellent BBC micros has brought back many memories.

Staff could get a discount - I cannot remember how much off - but you could
reserve one by sending ?20? to someone in LBH. I was in the area of LBH the
day after this offer came out, so popped in to the office and put my money
on the table for a model B. Then I waited for a few months, but when it
arrived it was well worth the wait.

There were many third-party companies that made items such as a word
processing chip (Wordwise) that plugged into one of the spare IC holders
inside the machine. Sometime later, I was at a meeting of the Friends of my
local Museum, and heard that the editor of the newsletter was having
problems having the articles typed up. I offered my services and for about
10 years, typed the material up onto separate sheets of paper which the
editor pasted onto boards from which the printer made the plates for
printing. Over the years I improved the printer, going from a dot matrix to
a daisy wheel, which produced excellent results, but was very noisy when
printing. Some years back I took over as editor and now use Publisher
running under Win 10 and send the printer a high quality PDF for printing -
how things have changed.

TV Training had a few model Bs, one of which I had to modify so that it
could be genlocked to our studios. A box of parts arrived together with
instructions, one of which was along the lines 'remove the main processor
chip from its holder, bend pin x to a right angle and replace the chip. Then
solder wire y onto the bent pin'. Try that nowadays! There was also an
external box (which had to be built) into which mixed syncs was plugged for
locking the computer and which combined the RGB output from the computer.

Using a model B and two 5?" disc drives, one drive holding the programs
while the other the data, I wrote a suite of programs for booking resources
using as a basis, programs from an excellent book about how to do random
access on disc drives. This meant that if a change had to be made to say -
what was in Studio D (this was at Elstree) and who was duty on a given day,
that days booking sheet could be pulled up, and only the Studio D section of
the sheet changed. All done by text strings. The system ran for a few years
before being replaced by a Fox Pro system written by a colleague.

Dave Buckley




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From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com  Fri Jul 20 11:32:15 2018
From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2018 17:32:15 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] BBC Staff Booklet: 1966 Conditions of Service
Message-ID: <9c240878-032a-accc-49e8-64617f1886b6@gmail.com>

Hi,

A change from Engineering Department reprints.

Here is the Conditions of Service Booklet from 1966.? Hope that it is of 
interest ...

What I remember are the arcane calculations necessary each week to tot 
up the crew's EDP within any 13 week period.


I've linked 1 file to this email:
1966-Conditions-of-Service.pdf 
<https://app.box.com/s/f8pl0jly3wez9deeody551k9mmb2n347>(7.1 MB)Box 
<https://www.box.com/thunderbird>https://app.box.com/s/f8pl0jly3wez9deeody551k9mmb2n347
Mozilla Thunderbird <http://www.getthunderbird.com> makes it easy to 
share large files over email.


-- 

Best Regards

Alec

Alec Bray

alec.bray.2 at gmail.com
mob:     07789 561 346
home:  0118 942 9543

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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Fri Jul 20 14:51:32 2018
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2018 20:51:32 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] BBC Staff Booklet: 1966 Conditions of Service
In-Reply-To: <9c240878-032a-accc-49e8-64617f1886b6@gmail.com>
References: <9c240878-032a-accc-49e8-64617f1886b6@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1a3f36e5-2dec-0109-cc6e-948c6d5940fe@gmail.com>

Being a Grade D Technical Operator felt like being Ronnie Corbett - "I 
know my place". Such a long way to B1-

B



On 20/07/2018 17:32, Alec Bray via Tech1 wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> A change from Engineering Department reprints.
>
> Here is the Conditions of Service Booklet from 1966.? Hope that it is 
> of interest ...
>
> What I remember are the arcane calculations necessary each week to tot 
> up the crew's EDP within any 13 week period.
>
>
> I've linked 1 file to this email:
> 1966-Conditions-of-Service.pdf 
> <https://app.box.com/s/f8pl0jly3wez9deeody551k9mmb2n347>(7.1 MB)Box 
> <https://www.box.com/thunderbird>https://app.box.com/s/f8pl0jly3wez9deeody551k9mmb2n347
> Mozilla Thunderbird <http://www.getthunderbird.com> makes it easy to 
> share large files over email.
>
>
> -- 
>
> Best Regards
>
> Alec
>
> Alec Bray
>
> alec.bray.2 at gmail.com
> mob:     07789 561 346
> home:  0118 942 9543
>
>

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From mikej at bmanor.co.uk  Sat Jul 21 02:28:21 2018
From: mikej at bmanor.co.uk (Mike Jordan)
Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2018 08:28:21 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Smart meters
Message-ID: <086D7B14BD9C4B869816D463E8B24D53@Gigabyte>

Told you so?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-44903471

Mike
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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Sat Jul 21 05:36:02 2018
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2018 11:36:02 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Smart meters
In-Reply-To: <086D7B14BD9C4B869816D463E8B24D53@Gigabyte>
References: <086D7B14BD9C4B869816D463E8B24D53@Gigabyte>
Message-ID: <df16dfd5-8ab8-529b-8c65-b8a74b726ae2@gmail.com>

I didn't expect the smart meter to save me any money at all. It does 
have it's uses - my wife is big on garden water features and the meter 
allowed me to see how much power they are using, which is next to nothing.

My sister is arriving soon in her new Nissan Leaf. It'll be interesting 
to see what that takes.

B




On 21/07/2018 08:28, Mike Jordan via Tech1 wrote:
> Told you so?
> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-44903471
> Mike
>
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From billjenkin67 at gmail.com  Sat Jul 21 06:00:24 2018
From: billjenkin67 at gmail.com (Bill Jenkin)
Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2018 12:00:24 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Smart meters
In-Reply-To: <df16dfd5-8ab8-529b-8c65-b8a74b726ae2@gmail.com>
References: <086D7B14BD9C4B869816D463E8B24D53@Gigabyte>
	<df16dfd5-8ab8-529b-8c65-b8a74b726ae2@gmail.com>
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Apparently my father-in-law (I never knew him) used to sit and watch the
disc spinning round in the electricity meter trying to work out what was
using all the power. It's the modern day equivalent really. Bill J

On Sat, 21 Jul 2018, 11:36 Bernard Newnham via Tech1, <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
wrote:

> I didn't expect the smart meter to save me any money at all. It does have
> it's uses - my wife is big on garden water features and the meter allowed
> me to see how much power they are using, which is next to nothing.
>
> My sister is arriving soon in her new Nissan Leaf. It'll be interesting
> to see what that takes.
>
> B
>
>
>
>
> On 21/07/2018 08:28, Mike Jordan via Tech1 wrote:
>
> Told you so?
>
> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-44903471
>
> Mike
>
>
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From alawrance1 at me.com  Sat Jul 21 06:25:01 2018
From: alawrance1 at me.com (Alasdair Lawrance)
Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2018 12:25:01 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Smart meters
In-Reply-To: <CAE6tP4AnCJC33w_=r=MVYh-MLWnXeSjtFDmD6YYBaQw_7svnVg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <086D7B14BD9C4B869816D463E8B24D53@Gigabyte>
	<df16dfd5-8ab8-529b-8c65-b8a74b726ae2@gmail.com>
	<CAE6tP4AnCJC33w_=r=MVYh-MLWnXeSjtFDmD6YYBaQw_7svnVg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <26C9B08B-9DB3-4221-9D74-D65FD695B44C@me.com>

Every illustration I?ve seen of these meters shows predominantly ?p, which is useless for trying to lower your consumption.  I assume it?s a fiddle to change, (to put you off), but can you monitor units?

Alasdair Lawrance
alawrance1 at me.com






On 21 Jul 2018, at 12:00, Bill Jenkin via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

Apparently my father-in-law (I never knew him) used to sit and watch the disc spinning round in the electricity meter trying to work out what was using all the power. It's the modern day equivalent really. Bill J

On Sat, 21 Jul 2018, 11:36 Bernard Newnham via Tech1, <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:
I didn't expect the smart meter to save me any money at all. It does have it's uses - my wife is big on garden water features and the meter allowed me to see how much power they are using, which is next to nothing.  

My sister is arriving soon in her new Nissan Leaf. It'll be interesting to see what that takes.

B




On 21/07/2018 08:28, Mike Jordan via Tech1 wrote:
> Told you so?
>  
> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-44903471 <https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-44903471>
>  
> Mike
> 
> 

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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Sat Jul 21 15:10:29 2018
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2018 21:10:29 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Smart meters
In-Reply-To: <26C9B08B-9DB3-4221-9D74-D65FD695B44C@me.com>
References: <086D7B14BD9C4B869816D463E8B24D53@Gigabyte>
	<df16dfd5-8ab8-529b-8c65-b8a74b726ae2@gmail.com>
	<CAE6tP4AnCJC33w_=r=MVYh-MLWnXeSjtFDmD6YYBaQw_7svnVg@mail.gmail.com>
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IMO, 'Smart Meters' area waste of our money since the consumer will end 
up paying for the expected over-spend with higher bills. How will they 
save 'billions of pounds' anyway? Will they turn off your electric fire 
or your underfloor heating? What is needed are 'Smart Consumers' who 
realise that if you leave a light on it will cost far less than leaving 
a heater on. Common sense, ( remember that?), is all that is required, 
and think what good could be done with the ?11billion (and rising) if 
given to the NHS! As for predicting power needs the grid already does 
that, if there is a big event on TV they know that after it finishes 
everyone will put the kettle on! Cheers, Dave


On 21/07/2018 12:25, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 wrote:
> Every illustration I?ve seen of these meters shows predominantly ?p, 
> which is useless for trying to lower your consumption. ?I assume it?s 
> a fiddle to change, (to put you off), but can you monitor units?
>
> Alasdair Lawrance
> alawrance1 at me.com <mailto:alawrance1 at me.com>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 21 Jul 2018, at 12:00, Bill Jenkin via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk 
> <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:
>
> Apparently my father-in-law (I never knew him) used to sit and watch 
> the disc spinning round in the electricity meter trying to work out 
> what was using all the power. It's the modern day equivalent really. 
> Bill J
>
> On Sat, 21 Jul 2018, 11:36 Bernard Newnham via Tech1, 
> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:
>
>     I didn't expect the smart meter to save me any money at all. It
>     does have it's uses - my wife is big on garden water features and
>     the meter allowed me to see how much power they are using, which
>     is next to nothing.
>
>     My sister is arriving soon in her new Nissan Leaf. It'll be
>     interesting to see what that takes.
>
>     B
>
>
>
>
>     On 21/07/2018 08:28, Mike Jordan via Tech1 wrote:
>>     Told you so?
>>     https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-44903471
>>     Mike
>>
>>
>
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From j at howell61.f9.co.uk  Sat Jul 21 18:22:35 2018
From: j at howell61.f9.co.uk (John Howell)
Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2018 00:22:35 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Smart meters
In-Reply-To: <35ddafdf-3a1d-a374-66c8-bdda97622633@btinternet.com>
References: <086D7B14BD9C4B869816D463E8B24D53@Gigabyte>
	<df16dfd5-8ab8-529b-8c65-b8a74b726ae2@gmail.com>
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Alasdair,

The few I've seen are supplied with a hand-held monitor which you are 
encouraged to carry round the house turning things on & off to see 
Watt's Watt!

John.




On 21/07/2018 21:10, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote:
>
> IMO, 'Smart Meters' area waste of our money since the consumer will 
> end up paying for the expected over-spend with higher bills. How will 
> they save 'billions of pounds' anyway? Will they turn off your 
> electric fire or your underfloor heating? What is needed are 'Smart 
> Consumers' who realise that if you leave a light on it will cost far 
> less than leaving a heater on. Common sense, ( remember that?), is all 
> that is required, and think what good could be done with the 
> ?11billion (and rising) if given to the NHS! As for predicting power 
> needs the grid already does that, if there is a big event on TV they 
> know that after it finishes everyone will put the kettle on! Cheers, Dave
>
>
> On 21/07/2018 12:25, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 wrote:
>> Every illustration I?ve seen of these meters shows predominantly ?p, 
>> which is useless for trying to lower your consumption. ?I assume it?s 
>> a fiddle to change, (to put you off), but can you monitor units?
>>
>> Alasdair Lawrance
>> alawrance1 at me.com <mailto:alawrance1 at me.com>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 21 Jul 2018, at 12:00, Bill Jenkin via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk 
>> <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:
>>
>> Apparently my father-in-law (I never knew him) used to sit and watch 
>> the disc spinning round in the electricity meter trying to work out 
>> what was using all the power. It's the modern day equivalent really. 
>> Bill J
>>
>> On Sat, 21 Jul 2018, 11:36 Bernard Newnham via Tech1, 
>> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:
>>
>>     I didn't expect the smart meter to save me any money at all. It
>>     does have it's uses - my wife is big on garden water features and
>>     the meter allowed me to see how much power they are using, which
>>     is next to nothing.
>>
>>     My sister is arriving soon in her new Nissan Leaf. It'll be
>>     interesting to see what that takes.
>>
>>     B
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>     On 21/07/2018 08:28, Mike Jordan via Tech1 wrote:
>>>     Told you so?
>>>     https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-44903471
>>>     Mike
>>>
>>>
>>
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From wmx at btopenworld.com  Sun Jul 22 04:47:03 2018
From: wmx at btopenworld.com (wmx at btopenworld.com)
Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2018 10:47:03 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] BBC OB Van
Message-ID: <44873AB7E6A34FA38592ADADC6DEC35C@BryantsHP2>

Dear all,

I wonder if anyone can help.  A relation of ours in Norfolk has recently sent the attached and to ask if we knew of anyone ?could shed some light on this BBC outside broadcast van shown in the attached photo whom we met at a vintage vehicle show in Holt at the beginning of July? 
Brian the guy that now owns it has so far had virtually no help/assistance from the BBC with regard to its working life and he is desperate to find out any info about it -  if you are able could you please ring or write to him.

Brian Morgan 01775 670356

Nil Desperandum,

Tongue End,

Spalding,

Lincolnshire

PE11 3JN?

I don?t think any of us are going to be surprised that he?s had no help from the BBC ? there won?t be anyone left who remotely knows what a turret lens looked like!  So if any of you can help and contact Brian Morgan, that would be grand.

Thanks,

Warwick Cross
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From mikej at bmanor.co.uk  Sun Jul 22 05:06:50 2018
From: mikej at bmanor.co.uk (Mike Jordan)
Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2018 11:06:50 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] BBC OB Van
In-Reply-To: <44873AB7E6A34FA38592ADADC6DEC35C@BryantsHP2>
References: <44873AB7E6A34FA38592ADADC6DEC35C@BryantsHP2>
Message-ID: <99991AB6AD3F4F0880D242F97887408D@Gigabyte>

Brian

I have sent it to our old BBC OB transport guy who knows everything!

Mike Jordan
(Ex BBC Outside Broadcasts)

From: wmx--- via Tech1 
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 10:47 AM
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk 
Subject: [Tech1] BBC OB Van

Dear all,

I wonder if anyone can help.  A relation of ours in Norfolk has recently sent the attached and to ask if we knew of anyone ?could shed some light on this BBC outside broadcast van shown in the attached photo whom we met at a vintage vehicle show in Holt at the beginning of July? 
Brian the guy that now owns it has so far had virtually no help/assistance from the BBC with regard to its working life and he is desperate to find out any info about it -  if you are able could you please ring or write to him.

Brian Morgan 01775 670356

Nil Desperandum,

Tongue End,

Spalding,

Lincolnshire

PE11 3JN?

I don?t think any of us are going to be surprised that he?s had no help from the BBC ? there won?t be anyone left who remotely knows what a turret lens looked like!  So if any of you can help and contact Brian Morgan, that would be grand.

Thanks,

Warwick Cross


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From barrybonner119 at btinternet.com  Sun Jul 22 05:12:26 2018
From: barrybonner119 at btinternet.com (Barry Bonner)
Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2018 11:12:26 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Disorganised Summer
Message-ID: <272997FE-9B46-411C-9E47-6146F3CF32CD@btinternet.com>

Hi All,
	Just a reminder for the upcoming lunch next Wednesday???12:00 onwards.

	Barry.



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From geoffletch at gmail.com  Sun Jul 22 05:13:28 2018
From: geoffletch at gmail.com (Geoff Fletcher)
Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2018 11:13:28 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] BBC OB Van
In-Reply-To: <99991AB6AD3F4F0880D242F97887408D@Gigabyte>
References: <44873AB7E6A34FA38592ADADC6DEC35C@BryantsHP2>
	<99991AB6AD3F4F0880D242F97887408D@Gigabyte>
Message-ID: <CAB99AB9XB3_vjFxVaR0s2DWQxRwchDkA_cdgm9v5psuABpDpcQ@mail.gmail.com>

Great photo. Looks in good nick.
Geoff F

On Sun, 22 Jul 2018 at 11:07, Mike Jordan via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
wrote:

> Brian
>
> I have sent it to our old BBC OB transport guy who knows everything!
>
> Mike Jordan
> (Ex BBC Outside Broadcasts)
>
> *From:* wmx--- via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> *Sent:* Sunday, July 22, 2018 10:47 AM
> *To:* tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> *Subject:* [Tech1] BBC OB Van
>
> Dear all,
>
> I wonder if anyone can help.  A relation of ours in Norfolk has recently
> sent the attached and to ask if we knew of anyone ?could shed some light
> on this BBC outside broadcast van shown in the attached photo whom we met
> at a vintage vehicle show in Holt at the beginning of July?
>
> Brian the guy that now owns it has so far had virtually no help/assistance
> from the BBC with regard to its working life and he is desperate to find
> out any info about it -  if you are able could you please ring or write to
> him.
>
> Brian Morgan 01775 670356
>
> Nil Desperandum,
>
> Tongue End,
>
> Spalding,
>
> Lincolnshire
>
> PE11 3JN?
> I don?t think any of us are going to be surprised that he?s had no help
> from the BBC ? there won?t be anyone left who remotely knows what a turret
> lens looked like!  So if any of you can help and contact Brian Morgan, that
> would be grand.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Warwick Cross
>
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From ian.hillson at gmail.com  Sun Jul 22 08:16:20 2018
From: ian.hillson at gmail.com (Ian H)
Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2018 14:16:20 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] BBC OB Van
In-Reply-To: <44873AB7E6A34FA38592ADADC6DEC35C@BryantsHP2>
References: <44873AB7E6A34FA38592ADADC6DEC35C@BryantsHP2>
Message-ID: <CAO37+ka7B9AeOOrEK2X+G1MhY1RA+_UJUvAG5QMgQX4-kG1Chg@mail.gmail.com>

*There was a short thread on here in May last year which ended:*

*I ran this past Derek Hooper who was Garage Workshop manager at KA and
this is reply:-*

*Hi Mike, yes I've seen pictures of this vehicle before and like you
realised it would not have had a camera or any tech. kit other than power
cable. I have scant info on vehicles this age but after the chassis
(no.255874) had been ordered, probably late 1954, it was sent to be built
under scheme no. 2/7909 and allocated the under construction number of UC
11. This was authorised on 26/1/55. It was to become Power 4 (P.4.).*
*There wasn't any other vehicles like it as the info board suggests but the
preceding reg no's include a batch of six Austin Tel OB links trucks and
four Austin Tel OB tenders.*
*If P4 was at the 66 world cup and Churchill's funeral l would guess it was
London based. It would have been at the Palace of Arts then Kendal Ave
before being disposed of in 1968 as the owner mentioned. Probably couldn't
power up the newly converted colour scanners and definitely not the type
2's then under design/build.*
*When I started at K.A. in 1973 the oldest Power van we had on site was
P.6. which again was an Austin. It was rarely used and ended life
'donating' it's Genny to a transmitter station in Yorkshire I believe. The
others were in regular use - P.7. an Austin FGK and P.8. and P.9. which
were both Bedford's. After P.10.came along it was decided not to build
large gennys any more and instead hire in as required.*
*Manchester w/shops were running either P.3. or P.5. as a historic vehicle.
I've no idea what happened to it when they closed down.*

Best
I



On Sun, Jul 22, 2018 at 10:47 AM, wmx--- via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
wrote:

> Dear all,
>
> I wonder if anyone can help.  A relation of ours in Norfolk has recently
> sent the attached and to ask if we knew of anyone ?could shed some light
> on this BBC outside broadcast van shown in the attached photo whom we met
> at a vintage vehicle show in Holt at the beginning of July?
>
> Brian the guy that now owns it has so far had virtually no help/assistance
> from the BBC with regard to its working life and he is desperate to find
> out any info about it -  if you are able could you please ring or write to
> him.
>
> Brian Morgan 01775 670356
>
> Nil Desperandum,
>
> Tongue End,
>
> Spalding,
>
> Lincolnshire
>
> PE11 3JN?
> I don?t think any of us are going to be surprised that he?s had no help
> from the BBC ? there won?t be anyone left who remotely knows what a turret
> lens looked like!  So if any of you can help and contact Brian Morgan, that
> would be grand.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Warwick Cross
>
> --
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From ian.hillson at gmail.com  Sun Jul 22 08:30:17 2018
From: ian.hillson at gmail.com (Ian H)
Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2018 14:30:17 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Smart meters
In-Reply-To: <CAE6tP4AnCJC33w_=r=MVYh-MLWnXeSjtFDmD6YYBaQw_7svnVg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <086D7B14BD9C4B869816D463E8B24D53@Gigabyte>
	<df16dfd5-8ab8-529b-8c65-b8a74b726ae2@gmail.com>
	<CAE6tP4AnCJC33w_=r=MVYh-MLWnXeSjtFDmD6YYBaQw_7svnVg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAO37+kbSvMhOA6k8spVDDv+f3EgYOqytoOuN+rTU-6hmkfWSfA@mail.gmail.com>

Reminds me of the Hancock episode: The Economy Drive

Hancock and Sid James return from holiday to discover that Sid has failed
to cancel any deliveries and has left every electrical appliance in the
house on!

The washing machine is still whirring away with just two shirt buttons
clinking in the drum, Hancock goes to check the electricity meter, and in
his absence James rushes round turning everything off.

Tony returns to say " was just watching the little disc spinning round like
a catherine wheel, when suddenly it slowed down"

Brilliant writing by Galton and Simpson.

I

On Sat, Jul 21, 2018 at 12:00 PM, Bill Jenkin via Tech1 <
tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

> Apparently my father-in-law (I never knew him) used to sit and watch the
> disc spinning round in the electricity meter trying to work out what was
> using all the power. It's the modern day equivalent really. Bill J
>
> On Sat, 21 Jul 2018, 11:36 Bernard Newnham via Tech1, <
> tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> I didn't expect the smart meter to save me any money at all. It does
>> have it's uses - my wife is big on garden water features and the meter allowed
>> me to see how much power they are using, which is next to nothing.
>>
>> My sister is arriving soon in her new Nissan Leaf. It'll be interesting
>> to see what that takes.
>>
>> B
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 21/07/2018 08:28, Mike Jordan via Tech1 wrote:
>>
>> Told you so?
>>
>> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-44903471
>>
>> Mike
>>
>>
>>
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From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com  Sun Jul 22 10:20:48 2018
From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray)
Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2018 16:20:48 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] BBC OB Van
In-Reply-To: <44873AB7E6A34FA38592ADADC6DEC35C@BryantsHP2>
References: <44873AB7E6A34FA38592ADADC6DEC35C@BryantsHP2>
Message-ID: <60df3a40-4bf3-c967-3dca-c6f9bd5088a1@gmail.com>

HI Warwick (et al)


On 22/07/2018 10:47, wmx--- via Tech1 wrote:
> could shed some light on this BBC outside broadcast van

This is a FAKE van - at least in its present guise.

For a full story, see 
http://tech-ops.co.uk/next/do-you-recognise-this-vehicle/

(always worth checking the Tech Ops website!!)?? This page was created 
following an? email trail on the Tech Ops mailing list, as Ian Hillson 
has mentioned.? And - the vehicle is - or was - BBC OB P4 (power van 
number 4)

(BTW, sorry I didn't reply earlier: skip filling and other jobs).

I personally am very annoyed with Brian Morgan, the owner.? After all 
those emails, I forwarded the whole lot of information to him. I got no 
reply, and after a week or so, I phoned.? "Oh we haven't looked at 
emails, Our emails are broken" was the reply that I got. Well, a year 
later it seems that they still haven't read the emails -or if they have, 
they certainly haven't thanked all the Tech Ops people who tried to help 
them.

I think that Brian would like to live in a fantasy land where a genny 
van had a Mk 3 Marconi IO mounted ....

-- 

Best Regards

Alec

Alec Bray

alec.bray.2 at gmail.com
mob:     07789 561 346
home:  0118 942 9543

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From alawrance1 at me.com  Sun Jul 22 12:03:03 2018
From: alawrance1 at me.com (Alasdair Lawrance)
Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2018 18:03:03 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] BBC OB Van
In-Reply-To: <60df3a40-4bf3-c967-3dca-c6f9bd5088a1@gmail.com>
References: <44873AB7E6A34FA38592ADADC6DEC35C@BryantsHP2>
	<60df3a40-4bf3-c967-3dca-c6f9bd5088a1@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <EE4C2179-2FF7-40FD-81FE-0A511B38D73C@me.com>

Alec et al - 

It looks like a cod camera too.  And there isn't a lens in the right place, nor a P&T head of any sort.

Alasdair Lawrance

Sent from my iPad2

> On 22 Jul 2018, at 16:20, Alec Bray via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> HI Warwick (et al)
> 
>> On 22/07/2018 10:47, wmx--- via Tech1 wrote:
>> could shed some light on this BBC outside broadcast van
> 
> This is a FAKE van - at least in its present guise.
> 
> For a full story, see http://tech-ops.co.uk/next/do-you-recognise-this-vehicle/
> 
> (always worth checking the Tech Ops website!!)   This page was created following an  email trail on the Tech Ops mailing list, as Ian Hillson has mentioned.  And - the vehicle is - or was - BBC OB P4 (power van number 4)
> 
> (BTW, sorry I didn't reply earlier: skip filling and other jobs).
> 
> I personally am very annoyed with Brian Morgan, the owner.  After all those emails, I forwarded the whole lot of information to him. I got no reply, and after a week or so, I phoned.  "Oh we haven't looked at emails, Our emails are broken" was the reply that I got.  Well, a year later it seems that they still haven't read the emails -or if they have, they certainly haven't thanked all the Tech Ops people who tried to help them.
> 
> I think that Brian would like to live in a fantasy land where a genny van had a Mk 3 Marconi IO mounted ....
> 
> --
> Best Regards
> 
> Alec
> 
> Alec Bray
> 
> alec.bray.2 at gmail.com
> mob:     07789 561 346
> home:  0118 942 9543
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From waresound at msn.com  Sun Jul 22 12:40:36 2018
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2018 17:40:36 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] BBC OB Van
In-Reply-To: <EE4C2179-2FF7-40FD-81FE-0A511B38D73C@me.com>
References: <44873AB7E6A34FA38592ADADC6DEC35C@BryantsHP2>
	<60df3a40-4bf3-c967-3dca-c6f9bd5088a1@gmail.com>,
	<EE4C2179-2FF7-40FD-81FE-0A511B38D73C@me.com>
Message-ID: <DB7P192MB03132A2C83BB1D864333D397A7570@DB7P192MB0313.EURP192.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

You don?t have to look far on Google to find loads of pictures of this van at vintage vehicle rallies, county shows, etc. Here?s a picture showing it, or one of its siblings at work, and another showing it in another guise altogether. So the whole thing could be fake. Who do we trust?
Regards to all,
Nick.
[image1.jpeg]

[image2.jpeg]
Sent from my iPad

On 22 Jul 2018, at 18:03, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk<mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:

Alec et al -

It looks like a cod camera too.  And there isn't a lens in the right place, nor a P&T head of any sort.

Alasdair Lawrance

Sent from my iPad2

On 22 Jul 2018, at 16:20, Alec Bray via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk<mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:


HI Warwick (et al)

On 22/07/2018 10:47, wmx--- via Tech1 wrote:
could shed some light on this BBC outside broadcast van

This is a FAKE van - at least in its present guise.

For a full story, see http://tech-ops.co.uk/next/do-you-recognise-this-vehicle/

(always worth checking the Tech Ops website!!)   This page was created following an  email trail on the Tech Ops mailing list, as Ian Hillson has mentioned.  And - the vehicle is - or was - BBC OB P4 (power van number 4)

(BTW, sorry I didn't reply earlier: skip filling and other jobs).

I personally am very annoyed with Brian Morgan, the owner.  After all those emails, I forwarded the whole lot of information to him. I got no reply, and after a week or so, I phoned.  "Oh we haven't looked at emails, Our emails are broken" was the reply that I got.  Well, a year later it seems that they still haven't read the emails -or if they have, they certainly haven't thanked all the Tech Ops people who tried to help them.

I think that Brian would like to live in a fantasy land where a genny van had a Mk 3 Marconi IO mounted ....

--

Best Regards

Alec

Alec Bray

alec.bray.2 at gmail.com<mailto:alec.bray.2 at gmail.com>
mob:     07789 561 346
home:  0118 942 9543

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From alawrance1 at me.com  Sun Jul 22 15:17:51 2018
From: alawrance1 at me.com (Alasdair Lawrance)
Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2018 21:17:51 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] BBC OB Van
In-Reply-To: <DB7P192MB03132A2C83BB1D864333D397A7570@DB7P192MB0313.EURP192.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
References: <44873AB7E6A34FA38592ADADC6DEC35C@BryantsHP2>
	<60df3a40-4bf3-c967-3dca-c6f9bd5088a1@gmail.com>
	<EE4C2179-2FF7-40FD-81FE-0A511B38D73C@me.com>
	<DB7P192MB03132A2C83BB1D864333D397A7570@DB7P192MB0313.EURP192.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
Message-ID: <E8AF06E3-3334-429E-91EA-DCC35AB5B5A8@me.com>

While the registration number is the same on the two vehicles, precious little else is.

Look at the indicators and the fog lamp for a start.

Alasdair Lawrance

Sent from my iPad2

> On 22 Jul 2018, at 18:40, Nick Ware via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> You don?t have to look far on Google to find loads of pictures of this van at vintage vehicle rallies, county shows, etc. Here?s a picture showing it, or one of its siblings at work, and another showing it in another guise altogether. So the whole thing could be fake. Who do we trust?
> Regards to all,
> Nick.
> <image1.jpeg>
> 
> <image2.jpeg>
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> On 22 Jul 2018, at 18:03, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
>> Alec et al - 
>> 
>> It looks like a cod camera too.  And there isn't a lens in the right place, nor a P&T head of any sort.
>> 
>> Alasdair Lawrance
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad2
>> 
>> On 22 Jul 2018, at 16:20, Alec Bray via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>>> HI Warwick (et al)
>>> 
>>>> On 22/07/2018 10:47, wmx--- via Tech1 wrote:
>>>> could shed some light on this BBC outside broadcast van
>>> 
>>> This is a FAKE van - at least in its present guise.
>>> 
>>> For a full story, see http://tech-ops.co.uk/next/do-you-recognise-this-vehicle/
>>> 
>>> (always worth checking the Tech Ops website!!)   This page was created following an  email trail on the Tech Ops mailing list, as Ian Hillson has mentioned.  And - the vehicle is - or was - BBC OB P4 (power van number 4)
>>> 
>>> (BTW, sorry I didn't reply earlier: skip filling and other jobs).
>>> 
>>> I personally am very annoyed with Brian Morgan, the owner.  After all those emails, I forwarded the whole lot of information to him. I got no reply, and after a week or so, I phoned.  "Oh we haven't looked at emails, Our emails are broken" was the reply that I got.  Well, a year later it seems that they still haven't read the emails -or if they have, they certainly haven't thanked all the Tech Ops people who tried to help them.
>>> 
>>> I think that Brian would like to live in a fantasy land where a genny van had a Mk 3 Marconi IO mounted ....
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Best Regards
>>> 
>>> Alec
>>> 
>>> Alec Bray
>>> 
>>> alec.bray.2 at gmail.com
>>> mob:     07789 561 346
>>> home:  0118 942 9543
>>> -- 
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From johnhcox at gmail.com  Mon Jul 23 05:56:41 2018
From: johnhcox at gmail.com (John Cox)
Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2018 11:56:41 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] BBC OB Van
Message-ID: <5b55b468.1c69fb81.2bd4f.09a0@mx.google.com>


I spoke to Brian Morgan at ten to eleven bst this morning 23 July. He knows that the vehicle is not the genuine article. He has the logbook for it and has been trying to make it look like a real OB Lorry with the dummy camera on top. It has been shown at many shows. He just wanted to know the history of it in the BBC. He gave me permission to write this!
                             
 He himself doesn?t have a computer and never had but his wife does, which may explain a few things. 
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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Mon Jul 23 09:17:01 2018
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2018 15:17:01 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Bohemian Rhapsody........
Message-ID: <e4ed9789-e61c-f498-0281-2511904cc3d6@gmail.com>

.....is an upcoming film about Queen.?? The trail is built around Live 
Aid, and this is one of the crew -



B
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From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com  Mon Jul 23 11:40:35 2018
From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray)
Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2018 17:40:35 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] BBC Engineering Division reprint: Understanding Colour
 Television
Message-ID: <ad56fcc4-d9f4-3656-b58d-f3b9a46779f2@gmail.com>

HI All,

This reprint shows the state of the art for Colour Television in 1962/1963.

It is a reprint of a series of articles originally published in 
"Electrical and Radio Trading", under the banner of? ERT Service Bulletins.

By the way - in the original there is NO article 12 or article 13 - it 
goes straight from bulletin 11 to bulletin 14 - and as the booklet is 
printed and then saddle-stitched (aka "stapled down the centre fold 
line"), this is how it was delivered to the BBC.

Bulletin two has some hand amendments in the printed article.

Interesting that the bulletin on PAL seems to be a bit of a late entry, 
following the EBU Working Group's investigation of various systems at 
the Telefunken laboratories ".. so there are now three entries in the 
European colour television stakes ..."

Well now, That Was Colour Television That Was.

Also interesting is that the reprint is by the "Technical Instructions 
Section" of BBC Engineering Division (oops sorry, I've put Dept in 
previous emails...)

I've linked 1 file to this email:
Understanding-Colour-Television-ERT.pdf 
<https://app.box.com/s/zg9ovrfhs2vk1bkbxxxpai05upvllcr8>(30.7 MB)Box 
<https://www.box.com/thunderbird>https://app.box.com/s/zg9ovrfhs2vk1bkbxxxpai05upvllcr8
Mozilla Thunderbird <http://www.getthunderbird.com> makes it easy to 
share large files over email.


Best Regards

Alec

Alec Bray

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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Mon Jul 23 17:04:54 2018
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2018 23:04:54 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Football Results joke
Message-ID: <d0c0f1cc-188b-7f8c-2203-ff2c9bab612d@btinternet.com>

Apparently, East Fife 5, Forfar 4, has (nearly!) become a reality in the 
real world. The joke has been credited to Eric Morecambe but I seem to 
remember Michael Bentine doing a football score sketch where he 
obviously had done the treble chance football pool and was on the way to 
winning it when the last few scores ruined his chance. Cheers, Dave



From peter.neill at icloud.com  Mon Jul 23 17:13:00 2018
From: peter.neill at icloud.com (Peter Neill)
Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2018 23:13:00 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Football Results joke
In-Reply-To: <d0c0f1cc-188b-7f8c-2203-ff2c9bab612d@btinternet.com>
References: <d0c0f1cc-188b-7f8c-2203-ff2c9bab612d@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <9BEB7DDE-0DE2-4D43-9BE8-EC037DE636D3@icloud.com>

I remember the Bentine sketch, but I don?t think it included this particular gag. 
However, Len Martin (prompted by Neil Shand) would usually trot it out as part of the Dee Time warmup. 
IIRC his version was Forfar 5 East Fife 4. Though, I believe, st that time they were in different divisions so wouldn?t have played each other. 

Peter


Sent from my iPhone. Apologies for typos and autocorruptions. 

> On 23 Jul 2018, at 23:04, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Apparently, East Fife 5, Forfar 4, has (nearly!) become a reality in the real world. The joke has been credited to Eric Morecambe but I seem to remember Michael Bentine doing a football score sketch where he obviously had done the treble chance football pool and was on the way to winning it when the last few scores ruined his chance. Cheers, Dave
> 
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From patheigham at amps.net  Mon Jul 23 17:27:28 2018
From: patheigham at amps.net (patrickheigham)
Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2018 23:27:28 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Football Results joke
In-Reply-To: <d0c0f1cc-188b-7f8c-2203-ff2c9bab612d@btinternet.com>
References: <d0c0f1cc-188b-7f8c-2203-ff2c9bab612d@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <43E6BA4BB2A64BF0BBF40B64A1695BC9@PATRICKSONY>

Dave....
(Football results)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fub3Z1n2jc

Think it was Fife 4, Forfar 5
https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/44916496

The other Bentine masterpiece was 'The Toastmaster'
where the said character gets more and more inebriated
when announcing the toasts.
Bentine was the cabaret for my school's Centenary ball,
where his act was his 'Square World' audience warm-up
which I remember well. Cliff Michelmore was in charge
of the festivities, as his son Guy was currently at the school.
A brilliant evening with the main band for dancing being
Ray McVay from the Hammersmith Palais!

Pat


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "dave.mdv via Tech1" <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
To: <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 11:04 PM
Subject: [Tech1] Football Results joke


> Apparently, East Fife 5, Forfar 4, has (nearly!) become a reality in the 
> real world. The joke has been credited to Eric Morecambe but I seem to 
> remember Michael Bentine doing a football score sketch where he 
> obviously had done the treble chance football pool and was on the way to 
> winning it when the last few scores ruined his chance. Cheers, Dave


---
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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Mon Jul 23 18:05:44 2018
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2018 00:05:44 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Vivaldi
Message-ID: <2d03f7e2-1cc6-97d6-f547-03bb4a1ac634@btinternet.com>

I came across a short film and the closing music was an upbeat version 
of Vivaldi's 'Gloria' (first part)- not for purists! How could I save 
just the audio track and then convert it to a format small enough to 
e-mail to you all? VLC was the answer! It's amazing what you can do 
these days if you investigate all the tools available for free on line! 
Enjoy! Cheers, Dave

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From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com  Tue Jul 24 09:41:03 2018
From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray)
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2018 15:41:03 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Engineering Division Reprint: Television Studio Lighting
 Equipment
Message-ID: <6d04eb54-9ed5-4fc1-4b5d-e003b91f4c2d@gmail.com>

Hi all,

Some of you were, like me, in studios D and E Lime Grove, before 
upgrade, where each individual light was suspended on a rope and pulley 
arrangement,? and if the light was to be dimmed, it was connected up to 
a mobile dimmer bank in the main area of the studio,?? IIRC, the dimmer 
had a huge lever on the right hand side (??) which dimmed all the lights 
connected to the dimmer in one go, each light connected to a resistance 
dimmer.

This reprint speaks to you!

Reprinted from the Transactions of the Illuminating Engineering Society, 
it is dated 1958 (1958!) and was still current in the reprint section in 
the mid-nineteen sixties.? It was written not too long after Riverside 
Studios were opened (R2 opened on 4th June 1956 and R1 on 25th September 
1956.)

Sound people :? microphone booms and boom shadows are mentioned!

Those of you who don't want to download the whole thing may enjoy this 
illustration from the article!


I've linked 1 file to this email:
Television-Studio-Lighting-Equipment.pdf 
<https://app.box.com/s/cc4pf7ep94jyvmjpmh1tp0kj8133bq0l>(16.6 MB)Box 
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Alec

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From grahamthecameraman at icloud.com  Wed Jul 25 05:08:50 2018
From: grahamthecameraman at icloud.com (Graham Maunder)
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2018 11:08:50 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: Disorganised - driving BEWARE!!!
References: <B64D3E5A-2E20-4B71-8D1E-83C26D5C86DB@icloud.com>
Message-ID: <E15C17BA-1CEC-4013-953D-E026786A48F0@icloud.com>



> Begin forwarded message:
> 
> From: Graham Maunder <grahamthecameraman at icloud.com>
> Subject: Disorganised - driving BEWARE!!!
> Date: 25 July 2018 11:07:49 BST
> To: announce at tech-ops.co.uk
> 
> Just a quick heads up to anyone who is thinking of driving to Ickenham today.
> 
> Whilst I know that all my fellow tech-ops friends always drive at or below the speed limit I just wanted to make everyone aware that the local constabulary have a radar speed trap set up (well hidden!) on the slip road from the A40 to the junction that leads to Ickenham.
> 
> The speed on the slip road is 30MPH which is a big drop from the 70MPH of that stretch of the A40 heading out of London.
> 
> You have been warned.
> 
> There is pay & display parking in the pub car park by the way.
> 
> See you all later
> 
> Graham Maunder
> 
>   	Awfully Nice Video . 30 Long Lane . Ickenham . London . UB10 8TA
> Tel: 07000 345678 Mobile: 07831 515678 Visit Us: awfullynicevideo.com <http://www.awfullynicevideo.com/>

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From alawrance1 at me.com  Wed Jul 25 11:44:01 2018
From: alawrance1 at me.com (Alasdair Lawrance)
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2018 17:44:01 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Radiophonic workshop
Message-ID: <7E0158DB-A488-414E-92C5-4FEA62A2644E@me.com>

Some terrific pics on this page <https://www.bbc.co.uk/music/articles/e71ca197-4808-4132-b1cc-0078d8066fee> that I hadn?t seen before.


Alasdair Lawrance
alawrance1 at me.com






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From tonynuttall at me.com  Wed Jul 25 14:29:45 2018
From: tonynuttall at me.com (William Nuttall)
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2018 19:29:45 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Tech1] On a lighter note  "Evening Courses for  Ladies"
Message-ID: <26b30789-60db-4b46-badd-5af1b753cf03@me.com>

I'm sorry to say that this years dates?have now passed but were very popular.
They are going to be run again next May so names can be put forward.

Men Teaching Classes for Women at 
THE ADULT LEARNING CENTER
REGISTRATION MUST BE COMPLETED 
By May 28, 2018 
NOTE: DUE TO THE COMPLEXITY AND DIFFICULTY LEVEL 
OF THEIR CONTENTS, CLASS SIZES WILL BE LIMITED TO 8 PARTICIPANTS MAXIMUM .
Class 1 
Up in Winter, Down in Summer - How to Adjust a Thermostat 
Step by Step, with Slide Presentation. 
Meets 4 weeks, Monday and Wednesday for 2 hrs. beginning at 7:00 PM..
Class 2 
Which Takes More Energy - Putting the Toilet Seat Down, or Bitching About It for 3 Hours? 
Round Table Discussion. 
Meets 2 weeks, Saturday 12:00 for 2 hours.
Class 3 
Is It Possible To Drive Past a Wal-Mart Without Stopping?--Group Debate. 
Meets 4 weeks, Saturday 10:00 PM for 2 hours.
Class 4 
Fundamental Differences Between a Purse and a Suitcase--Pictures and Explanatory Graphics. 
Meets Saturdays at 2:00 PM for 3 weeks.
Class 5 
Curling Irons--Can They Levitate and Fly Into The Bathroom Cabinet? 
Examples on Video. 
Meets 4 weeks, Tuesday and Thursday for 2 hours beginning 
At 7:00 PM
Class 6 
How to Ask Questions During Commercials and Be Quiet During the Program 
Help Line Support and Support Groups. 
Meets 4 Weeks, Friday and Sunday 7:00 PM
Class 7 
Can a Bath Be Taken Without 14 Different Kinds of Soaps and Shampoos? 
Open Forum .. 
Monday at 8:00 PM, 2 hours.
Class 8 
Health Watch--They Make Medicine for PMS - USE IT! 
Three nights; Monday, Wednesday, Friday at 7:00 PM for 2 hours.
Class 9 
I Was Wrong and He Was Right!--Real Life Testimonials. 
Tuesdays at 6:00 PM Location to be determined.
Class 10 
How to Parallel Park In Less Than 20 Minutes Without an Insurance Claim. 
Driving Simulations. 
4 weeks, Saturday's noon, 2 hours.
Class 11
Learning to Live--How to Apply Brakes Without Throwing Passengers Through the Windshield . 
Tuesdays at 7:00 PM, location to be determined
Class 12 
How to Shop by Yourself. 
Meets 4 weeks, Tuesday and Thursday for 2 hours beginning at 7:00 PM.

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From brian.curtis.bluesky at gmail.com  Wed Jul 25 14:34:15 2018
From: brian.curtis.bluesky at gmail.com (Brian Curtis)
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2018 20:34:15 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] On a lighter note "Evening Courses for Ladies"
In-Reply-To: <26b30789-60db-4b46-badd-5af1b753cf03@me.com>
References: <26b30789-60db-4b46-badd-5af1b753cf03@me.com>
Message-ID: <CAGVa-QedtpKjHQF3Y2Lfk2NtKbiyjL7RLB34by4jig7avjJ3eA@mail.gmail.com>

Ooh dangerous treasonable stuff in there!


On 25 July 2018 at 20:29, William Nuttall via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
wrote:

> I'm sorry to say that this years dates have now passed but were very
> popular.
> They are going to be run again next May so names can be put forward.
>
> *Men Teaching Classes for Women at*
> *THE ADULT LEARNING CENTER*
>
> *REGISTRATION MUST BE COMPLETED*
> *By May 28, 2018*
> *NOTE: DUE TO THE COMPLEXITY AND DIFFICULTY LEVEL*
> *OF THEIR CONTENTS, CLASS SIZES WILL BE LIMITED TO 8 PARTICIPANTS MAXIMUM
> .*
>
> *Class 1*
> *Up in Winter, Down in Summer - How to Adjust a Thermostat*
> *Step by Step, with Slide Presentation.*
> *Meets 4 weeks, Monday and Wednesday for 2 hrs. beginning at 7:00 PM..*
>
> *Class 2*
> *Which Takes More Energy - Putting the Toilet Seat Down, or Bitching About
> It for 3 Hours?*
> *Round Table Discussion.*
> *Meets 2 weeks, Saturday 12:00 for 2 hours.*
>
> *Class 3*
> *Is It Possible To Drive Past a Wal-Mart Without Stopping?--Group Debate.*
> *Meets 4 weeks, Saturday 10:00 PM for 2 hours.*
>
> *Class 4*
> *Fundamental Differences Between a Purse and a Suitcase--Pictures and
> Explanatory Graphics.*
> *Meets Saturdays at 2:00 PM for 3 weeks.*
>
> *Class 5*
> *Curling Irons--Can They Levitate and Fly Into The Bathroom Cabinet?*
> *Examples on Video.*
> *Meets 4 weeks, Tuesday and Thursday for 2 hours beginning*
> *At 7:00 PM*
>
> *Class 6*
> *How to Ask Questions During Commercials and Be Quiet During the Program*
> *Help Line Support and Support Groups. *
> *Meets 4 Weeks, Friday and Sunday 7:00 PM*
>
> *Class 7*
> *Can a Bath Be Taken Without 14 Different Kinds of Soaps and Shampoos?*
> *Open Forum* *..*
> *Monday at 8:00 PM, 2 hours.*
>
> *Class 8*
> *Health Watch--They Make Medicine for PMS - USE IT!*
> *Three nights; Monday, Wednesday, Friday at 7:00 PM for 2 hours.*
>
> *Class 9 *
> *I Was Wrong and He Was Right!--Real Life Testimonials.*
> *Tuesdays at 6:00 PM Location to be determined.*
>
> *Class 10*
> *How to Parallel Park In Less Than 20 Minutes Without an Insurance Claim.*
> *Driving Simulations.*
> *4 weeks, Saturday's noon, 2 hours.*
>
> *Class 11*
>
> *Learning to Live--How to Apply Brakes Without Throwing Passengers Through
> the Windshield* *.*
> *Tuesdays at 7:00 PM, location to be determined*
>
> *Class 12*
> *How to Shop by Yourself.*
> *Meets 4 weeks, Tuesday and Thursday for 2 hours beginning at 7:00 PM.*
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> Tech1 mailing list
> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
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From geoffletch at gmail.com  Wed Jul 25 15:43:34 2018
From: geoffletch at gmail.com (Geoff Fletcher)
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2018 21:43:34 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] On a lighter note "Evening Courses for Ladies"
In-Reply-To: <CAGVa-QedtpKjHQF3Y2Lfk2NtKbiyjL7RLB34by4jig7avjJ3eA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <26b30789-60db-4b46-badd-5af1b753cf03@me.com>
	<CAGVa-QedtpKjHQF3Y2Lfk2NtKbiyjL7RLB34by4jig7avjJ3eA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAB99AB-9Lk+RGd+XhfQGbE0UXu3CB3QTTCL6ZVnCt2BM1VhwVQ@mail.gmail.com>

I showed this to my wife but it?s alright. She has promised to visit me on
the ward tomorrow.
Geoff F

On Wed, 25 Jul 2018 at 20:44, Brian Curtis via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
wrote:

> Ooh dangerous treasonable stuff in there!
>
>
> On 25 July 2018 at 20:29, William Nuttall via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
>> I'm sorry to say that this years dates have now passed but were very
>> popular.
>> They are going to be run again next May so names can be put forward.
>>
>> *Men Teaching Classes for Women at*
>> *THE ADULT LEARNING CENTER*
>>
>> *REGISTRATION MUST BE COMPLETED*
>> *By May 28, 2018*
>> *NOTE: DUE TO THE COMPLEXITY AND DIFFICULTY LEVEL*
>> *OF THEIR CONTENTS, CLASS SIZES WILL BE LIMITED TO 8 PARTICIPANTS MAXIMUM
>> .*
>>
>> *Class 1*
>> *Up in Winter, Down in Summer - How to Adjust a Thermostat*
>> *Step by Step, with Slide Presentation.*
>> *Meets 4 weeks, Monday and Wednesday for 2 hrs. beginning at 7:00 PM..*
>>
>> *Class 2*
>> *Which Takes More Energy - Putting the Toilet Seat Down, or Bitching
>> About It for 3 Hours?*
>> *Round Table Discussion.*
>> *Meets 2 weeks, Saturday 12:00 for 2 hours.*
>>
>> *Class 3*
>> *Is It Possible To Drive Past a Wal-Mart Without Stopping?--Group Debate.*
>> *Meets 4 weeks, Saturday 10:00 PM for 2 hours.*
>>
>> *Class 4*
>> *Fundamental Differences Between a Purse and a Suitcase--Pictures and
>> Explanatory Graphics.*
>> *Meets Saturdays at 2:00 PM for 3 weeks.*
>>
>> *Class 5*
>> *Curling Irons--Can They Levitate and Fly Into The Bathroom Cabinet?*
>> *Examples on Video.*
>> *Meets 4 weeks, Tuesday and Thursday for 2 hours beginning*
>> *At 7:00 PM*
>>
>> *Class 6*
>> *How to Ask Questions During Commercials and Be Quiet During the Program*
>> *Help Line Support and Support Groups. *
>> *Meets 4 Weeks, Friday and Sunday 7:00 PM*
>>
>> *Class 7*
>> *Can a Bath Be Taken Without 14 Different Kinds of Soaps and Shampoos?*
>> *Open Forum* *..*
>> *Monday at 8:00 PM, 2 hours.*
>>
>> *Class 8*
>> *Health Watch--They Make Medicine for PMS - USE IT!*
>> *Three nights; Monday, Wednesday, Friday at 7:00 PM for 2 hours.*
>>
>> *Class 9 *
>> *I Was Wrong and He Was Right!--Real Life Testimonials.*
>> *Tuesdays at 6:00 PM Location to be determined.*
>>
>> *Class 10*
>> *How to Parallel Park In Less Than 20 Minutes Without an Insurance Claim.*
>> *Driving Simulations.*
>> *4 weeks, Saturday's noon, 2 hours.*
>>
>> *Class 11*
>>
>> *Learning to Live--How to Apply Brakes Without Throwing Passengers
>> Through the Windshield* *.*
>> *Tuesdays at 7:00 PM, location to be determined*
>>
>> *Class 12*
>> *How to Shop by Yourself.*
>> *Meets 4 weeks, Tuesday and Thursday for 2 hours beginning at 7:00 PM.*
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Tech1 mailing list
>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk
>>
>>
> --
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> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk
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From keithwicksuk at gmail.com  Thu Jul 26 01:07:27 2018
From: keithwicksuk at gmail.com (Keith Wicks)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2018 07:07:27 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] The Secret World of Foley
Message-ID: <CAA=qGJ=6i-oJERogqH3g0_qMjM8k6xDeJr_+5xrrcAzRLBcs2A@mail.gmail.com>

An article and a short film about the art of Foley, with links to
information about Jack Foley.

https://library.creativecow.net/wilson_tim/secret_world_of_foley/1?utm_source=Creative%20COW%20Newsletters&utm_campaign=829b757d3f-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_7_10_2018_14_30_COPY_01&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_e89eaa4328-829b757d3f-185211053

KW
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From geoffletch at gmail.com  Thu Jul 26 02:23:15 2018
From: geoffletch at gmail.com (Geoff Fletcher)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2018 08:23:15 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] The Secret World of Foley
In-Reply-To: <CAA=qGJ=6i-oJERogqH3g0_qMjM8k6xDeJr_+5xrrcAzRLBcs2A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAA=qGJ=6i-oJERogqH3g0_qMjM8k6xDeJr_+5xrrcAzRLBcs2A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAB99AB8NGoLys2Vksn+hKyh-wuzBJ2TTsE0vg4r-790qMeXDww@mail.gmail.com>

Thought you meant Bob Foley for a minute there.
Geoff F

On Thu, 26 Jul 2018 at 07:08, Keith Wicks via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
wrote:

> An article and a short film about the art of Foley, with links to
> information about Jack Foley.
>
>
> https://library.creativecow.net/wilson_tim/secret_world_of_foley/1?utm_source=Creative%20COW%20Newsletters&utm_campaign=829b757d3f-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_7_10_2018_14_30_COPY_01&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_e89eaa4328-829b757d3f-185211053
>
> KW
>
> --
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> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk
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From graeme.wall at icloud.com  Thu Jul 26 03:10:58 2018
From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2018 09:10:58 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Vivaldi
In-Reply-To: <37C6A2F8-4325-4BAA-97F7-FB6337D7CF29@icloud.com>
References: <2d03f7e2-1cc6-97d6-f547-03bb4a1ac634@btinternet.com>
	<37C6A2F8-4325-4BAA-97F7-FB6337D7CF29@icloud.com>
Message-ID: <E961F040-A562-446F-9C89-6AE3D879B376@icloud.com>

On 26 Jul 2018, at 09:08, Graeme Wall <graeme.wall at icloud.com> wrote:
Back in the 90s there was a trend to add that sort of beat to everything from the Beatles to Tchaikovsky!  Made me quite nostalgic.
? 
Graeme Wall

On 24 Jul 2018, at 00:05, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> I came across a short film and the closing music was an upbeat version of Vivaldi's 'Gloria' (first part)- not for purists! How could I save just the audio track and then convert it to a format small enough to e-mail to you all? VLC was the answer! It's amazing what you can do these days if you investigate all the tools available for free on line! Enjoy! Cheers, Dave
>> 
>> <Gloria.mp3>-- 
>> Tech1 mailing list
>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk
> 






From bernie833 at gmail.com  Thu Jul 26 03:48:40 2018
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2018 09:48:40 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] The Secret World of Foley
In-Reply-To: <CAA=qGJ=6i-oJERogqH3g0_qMjM8k6xDeJr_+5xrrcAzRLBcs2A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAA=qGJ=6i-oJERogqH3g0_qMjM8k6xDeJr_+5xrrcAzRLBcs2A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <540783f0-825b-45a9-d272-6fc8c887f79b@ntlworld.com>

It'sall very pretty and well done, but I can't help thinking that most 
of it could just have been live sound, using a man with a gun mic and 
Rycote Softie- saving a large amount of money and time.? But then, I was 
the "cheap tv" person.

B



On 26/07/2018 07:07, Keith Wicks via Tech1 wrote:
> An article and a short film about the art of Foley, with links to 
> information about Jack Foley.
>
> https://library.creativecow.net/wilson_tim/secret_world_of_foley/1?utm_source=Creative%20COW%20Newsletters&utm_campaign=829b757d3f-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_7_10_2018_14_30_COPY_01&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_e89eaa4328-829b757d3f-185211053
>
> KW
>
>
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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Thu Jul 26 03:52:06 2018
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2018 09:52:06 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] BBC website....
Message-ID: <2584961f-bd22-79f5-55c4-76d07f408f5b@gmail.com>

.... seems to be down at the moment - 0950 Thursday. Can't imagine how 
that could happen, given the amount of technology that goes into it

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From dave at davesound.co.uk  Thu Jul 26 04:13:35 2018
From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman)
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2018 10:13:35 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] The Secret World of Foley
In-Reply-To: <540783f0-825b-45a9-d272-6fc8c887f79b@ntlworld.com>
References: <CAA=qGJ=6i-oJERogqH3g0_qMjM8k6xDeJr_+5xrrcAzRLBcs2A@mail.gmail.com>
	<540783f0-825b-45a9-d272-6fc8c887f79b@ntlworld.com>
Message-ID: <571d95f4ecdave@davesound.co.uk>

In article <540783f0-825b-45a9-d272-6fc8c887f79b at ntlworld.com>,
   Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> It'sall very pretty and well done, but I can't help thinking that most 
> of it could just have been live sound, using a man with a gun mic and 
> Rycote Softie- saving a large amount of money and time.  But then, I was 
> the "cheap tv" person.

Quite a bit to be said for that approach.

Take one of the common complaints today. Actors being 'intimate'. In say a
noisy pub. Where the dialogue is recorded in silence and the pub atmos
added afterwards. 

Or whatever.

-- 
*Broken pencils are pointless.*

    Dave Plowman     dave at davesound.co.uk     London SW 12
    


From crew13 at vincent68.plus.com  Fri Jul 27 06:30:59 2018
From: crew13 at vincent68.plus.com (John Vincent)
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2018 12:30:59 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Thai Boys Rescue
Message-ID: <DD910888-B712-4389-B441-5C57A9905A42@vincent68.plus.com>

One of the lead divers involved in the rescue was Vern Unsworth. 

Anyone know if he is related to Duncan Unsworth.

Duncan was (and still is?) a keen potholer. He had stories of hairy moments when he was caving.

They must share a 'magic' gene. I just don;t know how they do it. And then to risk all rescuing others is truly amazing!

Puts doing a live show with Stewart Morris in perspective.

JV

From waresound at msn.com  Fri Jul 27 09:07:08 2018
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2018 14:07:08 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Thai Boys Rescue
In-Reply-To: <DD910888-B712-4389-B441-5C57A9905A42@vincent68.plus.com>
References: <DD910888-B712-4389-B441-5C57A9905A42@vincent68.plus.com>
Message-ID: <VI1P192MB0271FE42DEA1BA2D14227CD0A72A0@VI1P192MB0271.EURP192.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

As a schoolboy at Wells Cathedral School, within cycling distance of the Cheddar caves, I was a member of the school caving club. In a group of half a dozen or so, we frequently went down Swildon?s, Gough?s, and Wookey, etc. Some of those systems were every bit as risky as the Thai caves, and all we had for light were naked-flame acetylene lamps on our helmets. Naked flames that were routinelly used to encourage the boy in front of you to go through ?squeezes? faster! Looking back on it I?m amazed that we were allowed anywhere near those caves - often without a member of staff present, and definitely no communications devices. But we were, and because of that I was glued to the news reports on the Thai rescue. I?m told there was some sort of a football event going on at the time, but I never saw any of that! Huge respect for the rescuers, in what looked to me like a hopeless rescue effort, but clearly wasn?t. I sense a few bravery awards in the next Honours lists.
Even so, by comparison, SM was well worth avoiding! Search his name on Youtube if you haven?t done so already.
Cheers,
Nick.
Sent from my iPad

On 27 Jul 2018, at 12:31, John Vincent via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk<mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:

One of the lead divers involved in the rescue was Vern Unsworth.

Anyone know if he is related to Duncan Unsworth.

Duncan was (and still is?) a keen potholer. He had stories of hairy moments when he was caving.

They must share a 'magic' gene. I just don;t know how they do it. And then to risk all rescuing others is truly amazing!

Puts doing a live show with Stewart Morris in perspective.

JV
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From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com  Fri Jul 27 10:46:34 2018
From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray)
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2018 16:46:34 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Eng Div Reprint: The Image Orthicon
Message-ID: <ccb9e678-791c-ae3b-fcfe-d58a96055715@gmail.com>

Hi all,

In 1965, the Image Orthicon was the most widely used television pick-up 
tube, used primarily for Black and White telly - but also, in the 
RCA/Marconi "coffin" cameras, for colour.


I've linked 1 file to this email:
The-Image-Orthicon.pdf 
<https://app.box.com/s/h5nxkk97tpiyus24cp9ylrr2kvgwkvsm>(26.2 MB)Box 
<https://www.box.com/thunderbird>https://app.box.com/s/h5nxkk97tpiyus24cp9ylrr2kvgwkvsm
Mozilla Thunderbird <http://www.getthunderbird.com> makes it easy to 
share large files over email.


-- 

Best Regards

Alec

Alec Bray

alec.bray.2 at gmail.com
mob:     07789 561 346
home:  0118 942 9543

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From patheigham at amps.net  Fri Jul 27 10:52:59 2018
From: patheigham at amps.net (patrickheigham)
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2018 16:52:59 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] The Secret World of Foley
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Well, that was an interesting exercise in adding sound to a mute shoot.
A lot of the set-ups would be perfectly possible with live sound, unless
there were situations which precluded that - Red Arrows flying overhead,
neighbours radios which could not be turned off etc.
Instances that would require Foley FX might be for foreign dialogue versions
where the english dialogue is stripped off, together with any natural FX.
Or, set design being wrong for sound - wooden floors painted to represent
stone flags but not sounding like.
Attached is the story about 'African Cats' with which I was most impressed.

Best
Pat

 
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Keith Wicks via Tech1 
  To: tech1 
  Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2018 7:07 AM
  Subject: [Tech1] The Secret World of Foley


  An article and a short film about the art of Foley, with links to information about Jack Foley.


  https://library.creativecow.net/wilson_tim/secret_world_of_foley/1?utm_source=Creative%20COW%20Newsletters&utm_campaign=829b757d3f-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_7_10_2018_14_30_COPY_01&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_e89eaa4328-829b757d3f-185211053



  KW

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From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com  Sat Jul 28 08:46:40 2018
From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray)
Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2018 14:46:40 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Eng Div Reprint: Testing and Operation of 4.5in Imager
 Orthicons
Message-ID: <b0d8c4c7-310f-e526-a7ba-b7f44f864e0f@gmail.com>

Hi all,

This reprint is all about setting up, testing, and engineering operation 
of the 4.5 in Image Orthicon? - and dates from 1959.

Here's a quote from the document:

"... In the writer's opinion this situation is best met in the following 
way:
The operator is provided with a light input control (preferably remote 
iris), a very
fine "lift" control (for trimming out glare, flare and similar effects) 
and a
selector switch at each position of which is a preset combination of 
lift, gain and
black stretch, carefully set for optimum signal/noise ratio for the 
particular
contrast law required...."

Which is pretty much what was put in place at TVC - except that the 
selector switch was replaced by a gamma control which (IIRC) was 
continuously variable and not stepped.

Hands up those who remember the original PLUGE!


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Alec

Alec Bray

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From graeme.wall at icloud.com  Sat Jul 28 09:17:17 2018
From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall)
Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2018 15:17:17 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Eng Div Reprint: Testing and Operation of 4.5in Imager
 Orthicons
In-Reply-To: <b0d8c4c7-310f-e526-a7ba-b7f44f864e0f@gmail.com>
References: <b0d8c4c7-310f-e526-a7ba-b7f44f864e0f@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2D08AD42-E219-4C3F-9C83-3BE20EA1F72D@icloud.com>






> On 28 Jul 2018, at 14:46, Alec Bray via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Hi all, 
> This reprint is all about setting up, testing, and engineering operation of the 4.5 in Image Orthicon  - and dates from 1959.
> Here's a quote from the document:
> 
> "... In the writer's opinion this situation is best met in the following way:
> The operator is provided with a light input control (preferably remote iris), a very
> fine "lift" control (for trimming out glare, flare and similar effects) and a
> selector switch at each position of which is a preset combination of lift, gain and
> black stretch, carefully set for optimum signal/noise ratio for the particular
> contrast law required...."
> Which is pretty much what was put in place at TVC - except that the selector switch was replaced by a gamma control which (IIRC) was continuously variable and not stepped.
> Hands up those who remember the original PLUGE!
> 
> 

Raises hand?

? 
Graeme Wall


From bernie833 at gmail.com  Sat Jul 28 10:08:05 2018
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2018 16:08:05 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Eng Div Reprint: Testing and Operation of 4.5in Imager
 Orthicons
In-Reply-To: <2D08AD42-E219-4C3F-9C83-3BE20EA1F72D@icloud.com>
References: <b0d8c4c7-310f-e526-a7ba-b7f44f864e0f@gmail.com>
	<2D08AD42-E219-4C3F-9C83-3BE20EA1F72D@icloud.com>
Message-ID: <82d89596-4395-fe8b-88db-41ff8bd583d0@ntlworld.com>

Is it this one?
http://www.channel6.dk/mainsite/Downloads/Test%20patterns%20SD/Full%20Field%20Pluge.jpg

B



On 28/07/2018 15:17, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote:
>
>
>
>
>> On 28 Jul 2018, at 14:46, Alec Bray via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>> This reprint is all about setting up, testing, and engineering operation of the 4.5 in Image Orthicon  - and dates from 1959.
>> Here's a quote from the document:
>>
>> "... In the writer's opinion this situation is best met in the following way:
>> The operator is provided with a light input control (preferably remote iris), a very
>> fine "lift" control (for trimming out glare, flare and similar effects) and a
>> selector switch at each position of which is a preset combination of lift, gain and
>> black stretch, carefully set for optimum signal/noise ratio for the particular
>> contrast law required...."
>> Which is pretty much what was put in place at TVC - except that the selector switch was replaced by a gamma control which (IIRC) was continuously variable and not stepped.
>> Hands up those who remember the original PLUGE!
>>
>>
> Raises hand?
>
> ?
> Graeme Wall
>

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From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com  Sat Jul 28 10:50:24 2018
From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray)
Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2018 16:50:24 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Eng Div Reprint: Testing and Operation of 4.5in Imager
 Orthicons
In-Reply-To: <82d89596-4395-fe8b-88db-41ff8bd583d0@ntlworld.com>
References: <b0d8c4c7-310f-e526-a7ba-b7f44f864e0f@gmail.com>
	<2D08AD42-E219-4C3F-9C83-3BE20EA1F72D@icloud.com>
	<82d89596-4395-fe8b-88db-41ff8bd583d0@ntlworld.com>
Message-ID: <011efe57-196b-5104-faa0-8016fece06ff@gmail.com>


On 28/07/2018 16:08, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote:
> Is it this one? 

Hmmm...?? The one that I remember - to set up the monitors for Vision 
Control - was more like this:



There was a work instruction for PLUGE describing how to set up the 
monitors for use in Vision Control: unfortunately that's not among my 
"collection".

You had to set the black level using the bars on the left and then get a 
photography light meter and tweak the contrast so the white area gave a 
certain reading (hopefully this reading was reached before the white 
area defocussed).

Does anyone have better information?

-- 

Best Regards

Alec

Alec Bray

alec.bray.2 at gmail.com
mob:     07789 561 346
home:  0118 942 9543

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From dave at davesound.co.uk  Sat Jul 28 11:11:51 2018
From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman)
Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2018 17:11:51 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Eng Div Reprint: Testing and Operation of 4.5in Imager
 Orthicons
In-Reply-To: <011efe57-196b-5104-faa0-8016fece06ff@gmail.com>
References: <b0d8c4c7-310f-e526-a7ba-b7f44f864e0f@gmail.com>
	<2D08AD42-E219-4C3F-9C83-3BE20EA1F72D@icloud.com>
	<82d89596-4395-fe8b-88db-41ff8bd583d0@ntlworld.com>
	<011efe57-196b-5104-faa0-8016fece06ff@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <571ec3ebfbdave@davesound.co.uk>

In article <011efe57-196b-5104-faa0-8016fece06ff at gmail.com>,
   Alec Bray via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

> On 28/07/2018 16:08, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote:
> > Is it this one? 

> Hmmm...   The one that I remember - to set up the monitors for Vision 
> Control - was more like this:



> There was a work instruction for PLUGE describing how to set up the 
> monitors for use in Vision Control: unfortunately that's not among my 
> "collection".

> You had to set the black level using the bars on the left and then get a 
> photography light meter and tweak the contrast so the white area gave a 
> certain reading (hopefully this reading was reached before the white 
> area defocussed).

> Does anyone have better information?

That's the Picture Line Up Generator Equipment I remember.
In theory had a super black bar you didn't see? But racks seemed to set
their monitors so it was visible, so a bit of lift?

-- 
*How's my driving? Call 999*

    Dave Plowman     dave at davesound.co.uk     London SW 12
    


From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk  Sat Jul 28 12:18:27 2018
From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf)
Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2018 18:18:27 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Eng Div Reprint: Testing and Operation of 4.5in Imager
 Orthicons
In-Reply-To: <011efe57-196b-5104-faa0-8016fece06ff@gmail.com>
References: <b0d8c4c7-310f-e526-a7ba-b7f44f864e0f@gmail.com>
	<2D08AD42-E219-4C3F-9C83-3BE20EA1F72D@icloud.com>
	<82d89596-4395-fe8b-88db-41ff8bd583d0@ntlworld.com>
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Message-ID: <fb1bc017-0108-b98d-7e06-f0b479c0e31d@chriswoolf.co.uk>

Yes, that's the original monochrome PLUGE - Bernie's version is the 
later colour PLUGE.

In the bad old days it was normal to set a so-called pedestal - a slight 
lift of ~2% (I think) across the picture. Thus the black background - 
nominal black - was at pedestal level, whereas the first vertical bar 
was 0% - marginally blacker.

By dropping the brightness down till the first bar just disappeared you 
knew that the (pedestal) background wasn't being crushed - the second 
bar was 2% brighter than pedestal, and so should have been just visible.

And yes, you were supposed to put a meter on the white to preset a 
constant output across all monitors in a bank, and to check the grey bar 
to prove that the tube gamma? was ~about~ right. In practice you were 
lucky if the output and gamma were anywhere near the prescribed value, 
once the tubes had seen a few months of near-continuous service.

Chris Woolf


On 28/07/2018 16:50, Alec Bray via Tech1 wrote:
>
> On 28/07/2018 16:08, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote:
>> Is it this one? 
>
> Hmmm...?? The one that I remember - to set up the monitors for Vision 
> Control - was more like this:
>
>
>
> There was a work instruction for PLUGE describing how to set up the 
> monitors for use in Vision Control: unfortunately that's not among my 
> "collection".
>
> You had to set the black level using the bars on the left and then get 
> a photography light meter and tweak the contrast so the white area 
> gave a certain reading (hopefully this reading was reached before the 
> white area defocussed).
>
> Does anyone have better information?
>
> -- 
>
> Best Regards
>
> Alec
>
> Alec Bray
>
> alec.bray.2 at gmail.com
> mob:     07789 561 346
> home:  0118 942 9543
>
>



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From hughsheppard at btinternet.com  Sat Jul 28 14:03:30 2018
From: hughsheppard at btinternet.com (Hugh Sheppard)
Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2018 20:03:30 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Eng Div Reprint: Testing and Operation of 4.5in Imager
 Orthicons
In-Reply-To: <fb1bc017-0108-b98d-7e06-f0b479c0e31d@chriswoolf.co.uk>
References: <b0d8c4c7-310f-e526-a7ba-b7f44f864e0f@gmail.com>
	<2D08AD42-E219-4C3F-9C83-3BE20EA1F72D@icloud.com>
	<82d89596-4395-fe8b-88db-41ff8bd583d0@ntlworld.com>
	<011efe57-196b-5104-faa0-8016fece06ff@gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <c492d2ba-d618-d668-cf46-6a2ee02e9748@btinternet.com>

Oh dear, Bernie is so this century...? well, nearly...

(Pesticons at AP were another matter):-)

Hugh


On 28-Jul-18 6:18 PM, Chris Woolf via Tech1 wrote:
>
> Yes, that's the original monochrome PLUGE - Bernie's version is the 
> later colour PLUGE.
>
> In the bad old days it was normal to set a so-called pedestal - a 
> slight lift of ~2% (I think) across the picture. Thus the black 
> background - nominal black - was at pedestal level, whereas the first 
> vertical bar was 0% - marginally blacker.
>
> By dropping the brightness down till the first bar just disappeared 
> you knew that the (pedestal) background wasn't being crushed - the 
> second bar was 2% brighter than pedestal, and so should have been just 
> visible.
>
> And yes, you were supposed to put a meter on the white to preset a 
> constant output across all monitors in a bank, and to check the grey 
> bar to prove that the tube gamma? was ~about~ right. In practice you 
> were lucky if the output and gamma were anywhere near the prescribed 
> value, once the tubes had seen a few months of near-continuous service.
>
> Chris Woolf
>
>
> On 28/07/2018 16:50, Alec Bray via Tech1 wrote:
>>
>> On 28/07/2018 16:08, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote:
>>> Is it this one? 
>>
>> Hmmm...?? The one that I remember - to set up the monitors for Vision 
>> Control - was more like this:
>>
>>
>>
>> There was a work instruction for PLUGE describing how to set up the 
>> monitors for use in Vision Control: unfortunately that's not among my 
>> "collection".
>>
>> You had to set the black level using the bars on the left and then 
>> get a photography light meter and tweak the contrast so the white 
>> area gave a certain reading (hopefully this reading was reached 
>> before the white area defocussed).
>>
>> Does anyone have better information?
>>
>> -- 
>>
>> Best Regards
>>
>> Alec
>>
>> Alec Bray
>>
>> alec.bray.2 at gmail.com
>> mob:     07789 561 346
>> home:  0118 942 9543
>>
>>
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From ian.hillson at gmail.com  Sun Jul 29 07:25:34 2018
From: ian.hillson at gmail.com (Ian H)
Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2018 13:25:34 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Eng Div Reprint: Testing and Operation of 4.5in Imager
 Orthicons
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References: <b0d8c4c7-310f-e526-a7ba-b7f44f864e0f@gmail.com>
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Yes Dave, they were set ever-so-slightly wrong, but consistently so!  The
trouble was, monitors used to drift, just like the rest of the kit, so best
not to lineup immediately after they were turned on. Think I'm right in
saying that's why colour camera tube heaters were left on in the tech store
overnight.

The trouble with setting the darkest PLUGE bar so that it wasn't
discernible was that if the monitor brightness drifted down, you'd only
notice this when the remaining bar disappeared.  Newbies tended to think
that everything needed lining up as soon as you got in, in a morning,
instilled at Wood Norton.  Some took a bit of persuading to leave for a bit
for the old tech to warm up and drift in.  The equipment that is, not the
occupants of the chairs.

Best
I

On Sat, Jul 28, 2018 at 5:11 PM, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <
tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

> In article <011efe57-196b-5104-faa0-8016fece06ff at gmail.com>,
>    Alec Bray via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > On 28/07/2018 16:08, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote:
> > > Is it this one?
>
> > Hmmm...   The one that I remember - to set up the monitors for Vision
> > Control - was more like this:
>
>
>
> > There was a work instruction for PLUGE describing how to set up the
> > monitors for use in Vision Control: unfortunately that's not among my
> > "collection".
>
> > You had to set the black level using the bars on the left and then get a
> > photography light meter and tweak the contrast so the white area gave a
> > certain reading (hopefully this reading was reached before the white
> > area defocussed).
>
> > Does anyone have better information?
>
> That's the Picture Line Up Generator Equipment I remember.
> In theory had a super black bar you didn't see? But racks seemed to set
> their monitors so it was visible, so a bit of lift?
>
> --
> *How's my driving? Call 999*
>
>     Dave Plowman     dave at davesound.co.uk     London SW 12
>
>
> --
> Tech1 mailing list
> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
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From patheigham at amps.net  Sun Jul 29 08:06:20 2018
From: patheigham at amps.net (patrickheigham)
Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2018 14:06:20 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] BBC Engineering Dept Good training
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References: <0492004c-4dba-a5b2-80f9-d526308370fa@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F152CB0E965641C7A36FC95D0416165C@PATRICKSONY>

I blessed the BBC training on occasion whilst freelance!
En route from Luton to Montreux for a corporate shoot,
launching the Rover 800, me on sound - my cameraman
and I were half asleep at an early hour, and accidentally
sent the camera (think it was Sony 330) in its hard travel
case through baggage handling, instead of hand carrying
which was more usual and safer.
Spent the afternoon with the demo car - ups and pasts and
p.o.v. through the windscreen on the winding Swiss roads.
Checking the footage in the hotel room, cameraman says:
"Should there be a red border along the white lines of the road"
No!!!!
A call, on a Saturday afternoon, to the facilities service chap
(an LWT camera tech, luckily at home) set us in motion
to re-line up the camera.
"Have you got a cross hatch chart?"
No, but there's a brick wall opposite the hotel room - the mortar
lines served well!
Under instruction, I realised that the line-up was very similar
to a vidicon procedure, and vision training all came flooding back.
We got away with a reasonable picture for the chairman's
keynote piece to camera the following day, and I never heard
a word.
Back at base, it was discovered that the red tube had shifted
half an inch in its clamp mounting, so was well out of registration.
But we pulled it back electronically - thought, prehaps that we should
not have kept the complimentary Burberry scarf, but I did!

Pat

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Alec Bray via Tech1 
  To: Tech Ops 
  Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2018 9:03 AM
  Subject: [Tech1] BBC Engineering Dept Reprint: The Development of Compatible Colour TV


  Hi all,

  In the mid 1960s, there was a great interest in the development of Colour Television.  I never got to work in studio H, although I poked my nose in there several times!


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From hughsheppard at btinternet.com  Sun Jul 29 09:18:05 2018
From: hughsheppard at btinternet.com (Hugh Sheppard)
Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2018 15:18:05 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] BBC Engineering Dept Good training
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Nice one Pat, but shouldn't the scarf have had a red stripe in it too?

Hugh


On 29-Jul-18 2:06 PM, patrickheigham via Tech1 wrote:
> I blessed the BBC training on occasion whilst freelance!
> En route from Luton to Montreux for a corporate shoot,
> launching the Rover 800, me on _sound_ - my cameraman
> and I were half asleep at an early hour, and accidentally
> sent the camera (think it was Sony 330) in its hard travel
> case through baggage handling, instead of hand carrying
> which was more usual and safer.
> Spent the afternoon with the demo car - ups and pasts and
> p.o.v. through the windscreen on the winding Swiss roads.
> Checking the footage in the hotel room, cameraman says:
> "Should there be a red border along the white lines of the road"
> No!!!!
> A call, on a Saturday afternoon, to the facilities service chap
> (an LWT camera tech, luckily at home) set us in motion
> to re-line up the camera.
> "Have you got a cross hatch chart?"
> No, but there's a brick wall opposite the hotel room - the mortar
> lines served well!
> Under instruction, I realised that the line-up was very similar
> to a vidicon procedure, and vision training all?came flooding back.
> We got away with a reasonable picture for the chairman's
> keynote piece to camera the following day, and I never heard
> a word.
> Back at base, it was discovered that the red tube had shifted
> half an inch in its clamp mounting, so was well out of registration.
> But we pulled it back electronically - thought, prehaps that we should
> not have kept the complimentary Burberry scarf, but I did!
> Pat
>
>     ----- Original Message -----
>     *From:* Alec Bray via Tech1 <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
>     *To:* Tech Ops <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
>     *Sent:* Thursday, July 19, 2018 9:03 AM
>     *Subject:* [Tech1] BBC Engineering Dept Reprint: The Development
>     of Compatible Colour TV
>
>     Hi all,
>
>     In the mid 1960s, there was a great interest in the development of
>     Colour Television.? I never got to work in studio H, although I
>     poked my nose in there several times!
>
>
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From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com  Sun Jul 29 10:02:36 2018
From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray)
Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2018 16:02:36 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Eng Div Reprint: Rank Cintel Telecine
Message-ID: <82c6f87d-ecfa-d754-e056-8524423aea13@gmail.com>

Hi all,

The actual title is

"The Rank Cintel Twin-Claw Twin-Lens Flying-Spot 16mm Film Scanner"

I've linked 1 file to this email:
Rank-Cintel-Telecine.pdf 
<https://app.box.com/s/fo4enkqeodmfuy5vg9986ctbnr6li007>(26.2 MB)Box 
<https://www.box.com/thunderbird>https://app.box.com/s/fo4enkqeodmfuy5vg9986ctbnr6li007
Mozilla Thunderbird <http://www.getthunderbird.com> makes it easy to 
share large files over email.


This is the LAST one of my Engineering Division reprints.? All good 
things have to come to an end!

If anyone has other Engineering Division reprints, I, for one, would be 
pleased to see them.? Hopefully - IF it is OK with Bernie - we can put 
them on the Tech Ops web site (the reprints were originally intended? 
for us and TAs, amongst others!)

BTW, no one commented about the missing second page of the Testing and 
Operation of IO paper:? this page was blank in my copy of the reprint! 
If anyone can supply the missing page ...


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Best Regards

Alec

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home:  0118 942 9543

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From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com  Mon Jul 30 02:43:54 2018
From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray)
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2018 08:43:54 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] monochrome PLUGE
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References: <b0d8c4c7-310f-e526-a7ba-b7f44f864e0f@gmail.com>
	<2D08AD42-E219-4C3F-9C83-3BE20EA1F72D@icloud.com>
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	<fb1bc017-0108-b98d-7e06-f0b479c0e31d@chriswoolf.co.uk>
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Hi everyone

Chris Woolf? via Tech1 wrote:
> yes, you were supposed to put a meter on the white to preset a 
> constant output across all monitors in a bank,

IIRC, in Vision Control (based on a? short assignment to VC - my claim 
to fame is that I was the Vision Control operator on the last episode of 
"Compact" (a soap opera done LIVE from TC2 !!), you did not use the 
monitor bank to check on picture match and picture quality.? The top 
left monitor in the bank was the TX monitor, the top RIGHT was a preview 
monitor, selected by pressing down on the camera iris/black level 
control.? Each camera should look the same when selected on the preview 
monitor.

The other "aid" was an oscilloscope mounted vertically next to each 
camera's monitor (and TX and preview).? This showed a complete field - 
the top of the field was on the left and the bottom on the right, so the 
"picture" was at right-angles to the monitor picture, but the width 
(that is, the field height) was compressed - something like this





(BTW I have found it hard to get any decent pictures of the Vision 
Control position in TVC studios!)

The monitor showed black level (on its pedestal) and peak whites. The 
overall balance of the picture could be gauged by the pattern shown up 
by the oscilloscope.? So on transmission, you set the picture from a 
camera as best as possible using a combination of the oscilloscope and 
the monitor, then switched that camera onto the preview monitor to check 
its match to the other cameras.?? This you had to do constantly, because 
of variations in the lighting conditions for each camera shot (however 
good the TM1 (in those days)? or bad ... and because of the drift by 
camera tube and monitor settings since line-up.


One program in TVT - famous American singer - camera on a pedestal on 
stage left (off-prompt) - on transmission the iris only responded to 
CLOSE.? So once I stopped down the iris there was no way back! Frantic 
juggling with gamma and black level to try to keep the singer's face 
from plunging into the gloom.? Turned out that the zoom was misaligned 
on the iris drive splines: rectified in a recording break I seem to recall.


Mind you, I only did VC in TVC and TVT.? Other studios may have differed ...

-- 

Best Regards

Alec

Alec Bray

alec.bray.2 at gmail.com
mob:     07789 561 346
home:  0118 942 9543

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From geoffletch at gmail.com  Mon Jul 30 03:16:56 2018
From: geoffletch at gmail.com (Geoff Fletcher)
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2018 09:16:56 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] monochrome PLUGE
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Writing here as an ex BBC TV camera guy who never wanted to get over
involved in the tech side of things, wasn't there a device
the VMs and/or Vis Engineers used which attached to the monitor face to
ensure PLUGE was tweaked properly? Or am I confusing
this with something used when lining up colour monitors later on?

Geoff F

On Mon, Jul 30, 2018 at 8:43 AM, Alec Bray via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
wrote:

> Hi everyone
> Chris Woolf  via Tech1 wrote:
>
> yes, you were supposed to put a meter on the white to preset a constant
> output across all monitors in a bank,
>
>
> IIRC, in Vision Control (based on a  short assignment to VC - my claim to
> fame is that I was the Vision Control operator on the last episode of
> "Compact" (a soap opera done LIVE from TC2 !!), you did not use the monitor
> bank to check on picture match and picture quality.  The top left monitor
> in the bank was the TX monitor, the top RIGHT was a preview monitor,
> selected by pressing down on the camera iris/black level control.  Each
> camera should look the same when selected on the preview monitor.
>
> The other "aid" was an oscilloscope mounted vertically next to each
> camera's monitor (and TX and preview).  This showed a complete field - the
> top of the field was on the left and the bottom on the right, so the
> "picture" was at right-angles to the monitor picture, but the width (that
> is, the field height) was compressed - something like this
>
>
>
>
>
> (BTW I have found it hard to get any decent pictures of the Vision Control
> position in TVC studios!)
>
> The monitor showed black level (on its pedestal) and peak whites.  The
> overall balance of the picture could be gauged by the pattern shown up by
> the oscilloscope.  So on transmission, you set the picture from a camera as
> best as possible using a combination of the oscilloscope and the monitor,
> then switched that camera onto the preview monitor to check its match to
> the other cameras.   This you had to do constantly, because of variations
> in the lighting conditions for each camera shot (however good the TM1 (in
> those days)  or bad ... and because of the drift by camera tube and monitor
> settings since line-up.
>
>
> One program in TVT - famous American singer - camera on a pedestal on
> stage left (off-prompt) - on transmission the iris only responded to
> CLOSE.  So once I stopped down the iris there was no way back! Frantic
> juggling with gamma and black level to try to keep the singer's face from
> plunging into the gloom.  Turned out that the zoom was misaligned on the
> iris drive splines: rectified in a recording break I seem to recall.
>
>
> Mind you, I only did VC in TVC and TVT.  Other studios may have differed
> ...
>
> --
>
> Best Regards
>
> Alec
>
> Alec Bray
> alec.bray.2 at gmail.com
> mob:     07789 561 346
> home:  0118 942 9543
>
>
> --
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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Mon Jul 30 04:04:55 2018
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2018 10:04:55 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Eng Div Reprint: Rank Cintel Telecine
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Message-ID: <afe51760-f02b-14e0-f1ee-44b7fce89658@gmail.com>

I seem to remember that there were two types of telecines for a long 
time on the first and second floors. One was the twin lens, and the 
other much more common was a rotating prism thing. I think that's 
right.? It all changed when the Rank Cintel Mk3 came along and the 
others were instantly obsolete. But before that.....

Every year we had to make a Wimbledon trail, andthey still do. They 
spend hugely more money than we did, which is very silly, as you can 
hardly miss it if you happen to tune in to any BBC channel. Anyway, it 
was a yearly duty and we didn't have oceans of cash.

In 1981 my boss, Pat Hubbard, insisted on going to do some prefilming, 
which he did on an empty court at Queens with some low seeded player.?? 
The filming didn't go well, as the cameraman was a "coverage" sort of 
person and didn't grasp that this was specialeffects stuff - or so Pat 
told me when he dumped several rolls of rushes on me as the week's 
producer. So I had a lot of pretty useless stuff.? For some reason I had 
to transfer the film to VT via Pres B, and when the TK was stopped it 
produced a proper still frame as opposed to the usual prism mash 
together. This I was told (it was a long time ago, so could be rubbish), 
that they were on one of the rare twin lens TKs.? I asked the operator 
to hand roll the machine, and I got a slow motion that was otherwise 
impossible at that time.? I picked a good close up, and had him just 
roll through what was maybe fifty frames from the 45,000 or so Pat had 
shot.? Some screwing around with the vision mixer ensued. Not much in 
the way of effects in those days- and this was the point at which Pres A 
was being updated to it's Grass Valley 300 bells and whistles- and I got 
a trail that looked like the attachedGIF. I was quite proud of it at the 
time, which is why I still have it.

B





On 29/07/2018 16:02, Alec Bray via Tech1 wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> The actual title is
>
> "The Rank Cintel Twin-Claw Twin-Lens Flying-Spot 16mm Film Scanner"
>
> I've linked 1 file to this email:
> Rank-Cintel-Telecine.pdf 
> <https://app.box.com/s/fo4enkqeodmfuy5vg9986ctbnr6li007>(26.2 MB)Box 
> <https://www.box.com/thunderbird>https://app.box.com/s/fo4enkqeodmfuy5vg9986ctbnr6li007
> Mozilla Thunderbird <http://www.getthunderbird.com> makes it easy to 
> share large files over email.
>
>
> This is the LAST one of my Engineering Division reprints.? All good 
> things have to come to an end!
>
> If anyone has other Engineering Division reprints, I, for one, would 
> be pleased to see them.? Hopefully - IF it is OK with Bernie - we can 
> put them on the Tech Ops web site (the reprints were originally 
> intended? for us and TAs, amongst others!)
>
> BTW, no one commented about the missing second page of the Testing and 
> Operation of IO paper:? this page was blank in my copy of the reprint! 
> If anyone can supply the missing page ...
>
>
> -- 
>
> Best Regards
>
> Alec
>
> Alec Bray
>
> alec.bray.2 at gmail.com
> mob:     07789 561 346
> home:  0118 942 9543
>
>

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From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk  Mon Jul 30 05:04:39 2018
From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf)
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2018 11:04:39 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] monochrome PLUGE
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References: <b0d8c4c7-310f-e526-a7ba-b7f44f864e0f@gmail.com>
	<2D08AD42-E219-4C3F-9C83-3BE20EA1F72D@icloud.com>
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	<fb1bc017-0108-b98d-7e06-f0b479c0e31d@chriswoolf.co.uk>
	<c492d2ba-d618-d668-cf46-6a2ee02e9748@btinternet.com>
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Hullo Alec,

Your memory is not at fault!

You did need to make sure the PV and TX monitors (always the higher 
grade ones) were as good a match as possible, or otherwise you would get 
a nasty shock when the source was punched to TX. But the lower banks 
needed to be tolerably matched too since VCs usually tried to keep all 
cameras exposed roughly correctly at all times - partly to avoid sudden 
surprise cuts, and also to help the cameraman.

I never did VC at the Centre, though I did a lot of inlay/overlay work 
which entailed camera line up and control. But I did do some VC for ITV, 
and the control arrangements were pretty well identical. The BBC really 
was the industry leader those days, and everyone else realised the 
sense, and followed. The in-view vertical waveform monitor didn't travel 
everywhere, and you more often saw a desk-mounted WFM that followed the 
PV, but you tended to do the matching largely by eye - just as sound 
mixers use their ears with only an occasional reference to the PPM.

The lighting guy was important, but no matter how good the exposure, 
couldn't be left entirely to him (though they usually wanted the knobs 
left centred during early rehearsals to allow them to get things right). 
But shot-to-shot balance did depend on shot content to some extent - an 
over-the-shoulder, with a lot of dark suit in shot, didn't look right if 
it gave a massive overall brightness change on a cut, so needed a degree 
of riding, while keeping face tones roughly constant.

Chris Woolf



On 30/07/2018 08:43, Alec Bray via Tech1 wrote:
>
> Hi everyone
>
> Chris Woolf? via Tech1 wrote:
>> yes, you were supposed to put a meter on the white to preset a 
>> constant output across all monitors in a bank,
>
> IIRC, in Vision Control (based on a? short assignment to VC - my claim 
> to fame is that I was the Vision Control operator on the last episode 
> of "Compact" (a soap opera done LIVE from TC2 !!), you did not use the 
> monitor bank to check on picture match and picture quality.? The top 
> left monitor in the bank was the TX monitor, the top RIGHT was a 
> preview monitor, selected by pressing down on the camera iris/black 
> level control.? Each camera should look the same when selected on the 
> preview monitor.
>
> The other "aid" was an oscilloscope mounted vertically next to each 
> camera's monitor (and TX and preview).? This showed a complete field - 
> the top of the field was on the left and the bottom on the right, so 
> the "picture" was at right-angles to the monitor picture, but the 
> width (that is, the field height) was compressed - something like this
>
>
>
>
>
> (BTW I have found it hard to get any decent pictures of the Vision 
> Control position in TVC studios!)
>
> The monitor showed black level (on its pedestal) and peak whites. The 
> overall balance of the picture could be gauged by the pattern shown up 
> by the oscilloscope.? So on transmission, you set the picture from a 
> camera as best as possible using a combination of the oscilloscope and 
> the monitor, then switched that camera onto the preview monitor to 
> check its match to the other cameras. This you had to do constantly, 
> because of variations in the lighting conditions for each camera shot 
> (however good the TM1 (in those days)? or bad ... and because of the 
> drift by camera tube and monitor settings since line-up.
>
>
> One program in TVT - famous American singer - camera on a pedestal on 
> stage left (off-prompt) - on transmission the iris only responded to 
> CLOSE.? So once I stopped down the iris there was no way back! Frantic 
> juggling with gamma and black level to try to keep the singer's face 
> from plunging into the gloom.? Turned out that the zoom was misaligned 
> on the iris drive splines: rectified in a recording break I seem to 
> recall.
>
>
> Mind you, I only did VC in TVC and TVT.? Other studios may have 
> differed ...
> -- 
>
> Best Regards
>
> Alec
>
> Alec Bray
>
> alec.bray.2 at gmail.com
> mob:     07789 561 346
> home:  0118 942 9543
>
>



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From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk  Mon Jul 30 05:05:31 2018
From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf)
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2018 11:05:31 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] monochrome PLUGE
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That was the light meter - some had a suction cup to hold it on to the 
screen.


Chris Woolf


On 30/07/2018 09:16, Geoff Fletcher via Tech1 wrote:
> Writing here as an ex BBC TV camera guy who never wanted to get over 
> involved in the tech side of things, wasn't there a device
> the VMs and/or Vis Engineers used which attached to the monitor face 
> to ensure PLUGE was tweaked properly? Or am I confusing
> this with something used when lining up colour monitors later on?
>
> Geoff F
>
> On Mon, Jul 30, 2018 at 8:43 AM, Alec Bray via Tech1 
> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:
>
>     Hi everyone
>
>     Chris Woolf? via Tech1 wrote:
>>     yes, you were supposed to put a meter on the white to preset a
>>     constant output across all monitors in a bank,
>
>     IIRC, in Vision Control (based on a? short assignment to VC - my
>     claim to fame is that I was the Vision Control operator on the
>     last episode of "Compact" (a soap opera done LIVE from TC2 !!),
>     you did not use the monitor bank to check on picture match and
>     picture quality.? The top left monitor in the bank was the TX
>     monitor, the top RIGHT was a preview monitor, selected by pressing
>     down on the camera iris/black level control.? Each camera should
>     look the same when selected on the preview monitor.
>
>     The other "aid" was an oscilloscope mounted vertically next to
>     each camera's monitor (and TX and preview).? This showed a
>     complete field - the top of the field was on the left and the
>     bottom on the right, so the "picture" was at right-angles to the
>     monitor picture, but the width (that is, the field height) was
>     compressed - something like this
>
>
>
>
>
>     (BTW I have found it hard to get any decent pictures of the Vision
>     Control position in TVC studios!)
>
>     The monitor showed black level (on its pedestal) and peak whites.?
>     The overall balance of the picture could be gauged by the pattern
>     shown up by the oscilloscope.? So on transmission, you set the
>     picture from a camera as best as possible using a combination of
>     the oscilloscope and the monitor, then switched that camera onto
>     the preview monitor to check its match to the other cameras.??
>     This you had to do constantly, because of variations in the
>     lighting conditions for each camera shot (however good the TM1 (in
>     those days)? or bad ... and because of the drift by camera tube
>     and monitor settings since line-up.
>
>
>     One program in TVT - famous American singer - camera on a pedestal
>     on stage left (off-prompt) - on transmission the iris only
>     responded to CLOSE.? So once I stopped down the iris there was no
>     way back! Frantic juggling with gamma and black level to try to
>     keep the singer's face from plunging into the gloom.? Turned out
>     that the zoom was misaligned on the iris drive splines: rectified
>     in a recording break I seem to recall.
>
>
>     Mind you, I only did VC in TVC and TVT.? Other studios may have
>     differed ...
>
>     -- 
>
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>
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>
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From geoffletch at gmail.com  Mon Jul 30 06:15:28 2018
From: geoffletch at gmail.com (Geoff Fletcher)
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2018 12:15:28 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] monochrome PLUGE
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Thanks Chris. That must be what I recalled.
Geoff F

On Mon, 30 Jul 2018 at 11:05, Chris Woolf via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
wrote:

> That was the light meter - some had a suction cup to hold it on to the
> screen.
>
>
> Chris Woolf
>
> On 30/07/2018 09:16, Geoff Fletcher via Tech1 wrote:
>
> Writing here as an ex BBC TV camera guy who never wanted to get over
> involved in the tech side of things, wasn't there a device
> the VMs and/or Vis Engineers used which attached to the monitor face to
> ensure PLUGE was tweaked properly? Or am I confusing
> this with something used when lining up colour monitors later on?
>
> Geoff F
>
> On Mon, Jul 30, 2018 at 8:43 AM, Alec Bray via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> > wrote:
>
>> Hi everyone
>> Chris Woolf  via Tech1 wrote:
>>
>> yes, you were supposed to put a meter on the white to preset a constant
>> output across all monitors in a bank,
>>
>>
>> IIRC, in Vision Control (based on a  short assignment to VC - my claim to
>> fame is that I was the Vision Control operator on the last episode of
>> "Compact" (a soap opera done LIVE from TC2 !!), you did not use the monitor
>> bank to check on picture match and picture quality.  The top left monitor
>> in the bank was the TX monitor, the top RIGHT was a preview monitor,
>> selected by pressing down on the camera iris/black level control.  Each
>> camera should look the same when selected on the preview monitor.
>>
>> The other "aid" was an oscilloscope mounted vertically next to each
>> camera's monitor (and TX and preview).  This showed a complete field - the
>> top of the field was on the left and the bottom on the right, so the
>> "picture" was at right-angles to the monitor picture, but the width (that
>> is, the field height) was compressed - something like this
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> (BTW I have found it hard to get any decent pictures of the Vision
>> Control position in TVC studios!)
>>
>> The monitor showed black level (on its pedestal) and peak whites.  The
>> overall balance of the picture could be gauged by the pattern shown up by
>> the oscilloscope.  So on transmission, you set the picture from a camera as
>> best as possible using a combination of the oscilloscope and the monitor,
>> then switched that camera onto the preview monitor to check its match to
>> the other cameras.   This you had to do constantly, because of variations
>> in the lighting conditions for each camera shot (however good the TM1 (in
>> those days)  or bad ... and because of the drift by camera tube and monitor
>> settings since line-up.
>>
>>
>> One program in TVT - famous American singer - camera on a pedestal on
>> stage left (off-prompt) - on transmission the iris only responded to
>> CLOSE.  So once I stopped down the iris there was no way back! Frantic
>> juggling with gamma and black level to try to keep the singer's face from
>> plunging into the gloom.  Turned out that the zoom was misaligned on the
>> iris drive splines: rectified in a recording break I seem to recall.
>>
>>
>> Mind you, I only did VC in TVC and TVT.  Other studios may have differed
>> ...
>>
>> --
>>
>> Best Regards
>>
>> Alec
>>
>> Alec Bray
>> alec.bray.2 at gmail.com
>> mob:     07789 561 346
>> home:  0118 942 9543
>>
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From ian.hillson at gmail.com  Mon Jul 30 06:43:04 2018
From: ian.hillson at gmail.com (Ian H)
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2018 12:43:04 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Eng Div Reprint: Rank Cintel Telecine
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The beauty of the rotating prism was that it could cope with film *not*
shot at 25fps as it did mixes between frames - but, I presume as I don't
recall them used in colour, that the prism introduced colour shading (as
prisms do ?).

When colour (and transistor) TKs and slide scanners came in (1960s) the
signal processing was such that first you had to correct for the afterglow
of the CRT, then the scanning spot size and only after that could you start
to work your way back and correct for the film itself.

Just saying,

I

PS: I digress: when Googling for Cintel Mk3.... I found this on the Golden
Age website - taken at Princes Gate on "6 Days" BTW (sign is a Tony Carter
"souvenir")

On Mon, Jul 30, 2018 at 10:04 AM, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <
tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

> I seem to remember that there were two types of telecines for a long time
> on the first and second floors. One was the twin lens, and the other much
> more common was a rotating prism thing. I think that's right.  It all
> changed when the Rank Cintel Mk3 came along and the others were instantly
> obsolete. But before that.....
>
> Every year we had to make a Wimbledon trail, and they still do. They
> spend hugely more money than we did, which is very silly, as you can
> hardly miss it if you happen to tune in to any BBC channel. Anyway, it
> was a yearly duty and we didn't have oceans of cash.
>
> In 1981 my boss, Pat Hubbard, insisted on going to do some prefilming, which
> he did on an empty court at Queens with some low seeded player.   The filming
> didn't go well, as the cameraman was a "coverage" sort of person and didn't
> grasp that this was special effects stuff  - or so Pat told me when he
> dumped several rolls of rushes on me as the week's producer. So I had a
> lot of pretty useless stuff.  For some reason I had to transfer the film to
> VT via Pres B, and when the TK was stopped it produced a proper still
> frame as opposed to the usual prism mash together. This I was told (it
> was a long time ago, so could be rubbish), that they were on one of the
> rare twin lens TKs.  I asked the operator to hand roll the machine, and I
> got a slow motion that was otherwise impossible at that time.  I picked a
> good close up, and had him just roll through what was maybe fifty frames from
> the 45,000 or so Pat had shot.  Some screwing around with the vision
> mixer ensued. Not much in the way of effects in those days - and this was
> the point at which Pres A was being updated to it's Grass Valley 300
> bells and whistles - and I got a trail that looked like the attached GIF.
> I was quite proud of it at the time, which is why I still have it.
>
> B
>
>
>
>
>
> On 29/07/2018 16:02, Alec Bray via Tech1 wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> The actual title is
>
> "The Rank Cintel Twin-Claw Twin-Lens Flying-Spot 16mm Film Scanner"
> I've linked 1 file to this email:
> Rank-Cintel-Telecine.pdf
> <https://app.box.com/s/fo4enkqeodmfuy5vg9986ctbnr6li007>(26.2 MB)Box
> <https://www.box.com/thunderbird>https://app.box.com/s/
> fo4enkqeodmfuy5vg9986ctbnr6li007
> Mozilla Thunderbird <http://www.getthunderbird.com> makes it easy to
> share large files over email.
>
>
> This is the LAST one of my Engineering Division reprints.  All good things
> have to come to an end!
>
> If anyone has other Engineering Division reprints, I, for one, would be
> pleased to see them.  Hopefully - IF it is OK with Bernie - we can put them
> on the Tech Ops web site (the reprints were originally intended  for us and
> TAs, amongst others!)
>
> BTW, no one commented about the missing second page of the Testing and
> Operation of IO paper:  this page was blank in my copy of the reprint! If
> anyone can supply the missing page ...
>
>
> --
>
> Best Regards
>
> Alec
>
> Alec Bray
> alec.bray.2 at gmail.com
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From ian.hillson at gmail.com  Mon Jul 30 06:48:52 2018
From: ian.hillson at gmail.com (Ian H)
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2018 12:48:52 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] BBC Engineering Dept Good training
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Gone are the days when the cameraman had the seat next to him booked to
cosset this new fangled electronic camera.

I

On Sun, Jul 29, 2018 at 2:06 PM, patrickheigham via Tech1 <
tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

> I blessed the BBC training on occasion whilst freelance!
> En route from Luton to Montreux for a corporate shoot,
> launching the Rover 800, me on *sound* - my cameraman
> and I were half asleep at an early hour, and accidentally
> sent the camera (think it was Sony 330) in its hard travel
> case through baggage handling, instead of hand carrying
> which was more usual and safer.
> Spent the afternoon with the demo car - ups and pasts and
> p.o.v. through the windscreen on the winding Swiss roads.
> Checking the footage in the hotel room, cameraman says:
> "Should there be a red border along the white lines of the road"
> No!!!!
> A call, on a Saturday afternoon, to the facilities service chap
> (an LWT camera tech, luckily at home) set us in motion
> to re-line up the camera.
> "Have you got a cross hatch chart?"
> No, but there's a brick wall opposite the hotel room - the mortar
> lines served well!
> Under instruction, I realised that the line-up was very similar
> to a vidicon procedure, and vision training all came flooding back.
> We got away with a reasonable picture for the chairman's
> keynote piece to camera the following day, and I never heard
> a word.
> Back at base, it was discovered that the red tube had shifted
> half an inch in its clamp mounting, so was well out of registration.
> But we pulled it back electronically - thought, prehaps that we should
> not have kept the complimentary Burberry scarf, but I did!
>
> Pat
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Alec Bray via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> *To:* Tech Ops <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> *Sent:* Thursday, July 19, 2018 9:03 AM
> *Subject:* [Tech1] BBC Engineering Dept Reprint: The Development of
> Compatible Colour TV
>
> Hi all,
>
> In the mid 1960s, there was a great interest in the development of Colour
> Television.  I never got to work in studio H, although I poked my nose in
> there several times!
>
>
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From patheigham at amps.net  Mon Jul 30 07:14:50 2018
From: patheigham at amps.net (patrickheigham)
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2018 13:14:50 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Telecine
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Ah, but who remembers the Mechau!

www.bbctv-ap.co.uk/mechau.htm

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  I seem to remember that there were two types of telecines for a long time on the first and second floors. One was the twin lens, and the other much more common was a rotating prism thing. I think that's right.  It all changed when the Rank Cintel Mk3 came along and the others were instantly obsolete. But before that.....

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From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com  Mon Jul 30 08:10:19 2018
From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray)
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2018 14:10:19 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Telecine
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I remember the Mechaus. There was at least one, possibly two, in Lime
Grove: the spools were horizontal as shown in some of the pictures.
BR Alec

sent from my mobile phone. Apologies for any strange autocorrections.

On Mon, 30 Jul 2018, 13:37 patrickheigham via Tech1, <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
wrote:

> Ah, but who remembers the Mechau!
>
> *www.bbctv-ap.co.uk/mechau.htm <http://www.bbctv-ap.co.uk/mechau.htm>*
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> *To:* tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> *Sent:* Monday, July 30, 2018 10:04 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [Tech1] Eng Div Reprint: Rank Cintel Telecine
>
> I seem to remember that there were two types of telecines for a long time
> on the first and second floors. One was the twin lens, and the other much
> more common was a rotating prism thing. I think that's right.  It all
> changed when the Rank Cintel Mk3 came along and the others were instantly
> obsolete. But before that.....
>
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From alex.thomas1 at talktalk.net  Mon Jul 30 08:55:37 2018
From: alex.thomas1 at talktalk.net (Alex Thomas)
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2018 14:55:37 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Telecine
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I joined Telecine in 1959. There were 2 Mechaus in Riverside and, as I recall three, in  Lime Grove.

 

The most interesting one was TK8 which had a leather cone clutch which allowed it to run at various speeds. Picture Parade would book the beast to show cinemascope pictures.

 

The first thing I did operationally was to assemble a loop of rain or fog which would be played in to a drama production in another Lime Grove studio.

 

For rehearsals a short loop was used with about 5 seconds of rain before the splice went through the gate. For TX we would assemble a very long loop running through lots of pulleys.

 

This was 35mm film whizzing through at a good speed, (a 3 minute loop was about  100 yards long), and you prayed that the join would not appear during your sequence.

 

We all learned to do the Mechau ?loops? as both the film reel and the take up spool were horizontal but the gate was vertical.

 

They had been used during the Queen?s coronation as telerecording cameras because, among other advantages, they could take a 3,000 foot spool which would last just over 30 minutes.

 

There were rumours that the Mechaus had been claimed as war booty in 1945 and forcibly removed from German cinemas.

 

Another, probably apocryphal story, was that Allied troops entered a warehouse in newly conquered Germany and found the Mechaus all boxed up and addressed to BBC London dated 1939.

 

I think that the war booty story is more plausible.

 

 

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Sent: 30 July 2018 14:10
To: patrickheigham
Cc: Tech Ops Group
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Telecine

 

I remember the Mechaus. There was at least one, possibly two, in Lime Grove: the spools were horizontal as shown in some of the pictures. 

BR Alec

sent from my mobile phone. Apologies for any strange autocorrections.

 

On Mon, 30 Jul 2018, 13:37 patrickheigham via Tech1, <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

Ah, but who remembers the Mechau!

 

www.bbctv-ap.co.uk/mechau.htm

 

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Sent: Monday, July 30, 2018 10:04 AM

Subject: Re: [Tech1] Eng Div Reprint: Rank Cintel Telecine

 

I seem to remember that there were two types of telecines for a long time on the first and second floors. One was the twin lens, and the other much more common was a rotating prism thing. I think that's right.  It all changed when the Rank Cintel Mk3 came along and the others were instantly obsolete. But before that.....

 

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From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk  Mon Jul 30 10:01:45 2018
From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf)
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2018 16:01:45 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Telecine
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On 30/07/2018 14:55, Alex Thomas via Tech1 wrote:
>
> ....
>
> Another, probably apocryphal story, was that Allied troops entered a 
> warehouse in newly conquered Germany and found the Mechaus all boxed 
> up and addressed to BBC London dated 1939.
>
Well maybe not apocryphal....

Mechau was perfecting an early telecine just before the war, and had 
shown a developed form publicly at the Paris World Fair in 1937. It 
isn't implausible that the BBC did indeed order some kit in 1939, only 
for it to stopped abruptly when the development of TV was shut off 
because of the outbreak of war.

Chris Woolf



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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Mon Jul 30 10:12:18 2018
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2018 16:12:18 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Eng Div Reprint: Rank Cintel Telecine
In-Reply-To: <CAO37+kaP12mQJMmLUsX8duBBWUU6mn89hj0wSDWJfUVX=3TS6Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <82c6f87d-ecfa-d754-e056-8524423aea13@gmail.com>
	<afe51760-f02b-14e0-f1ee-44b7fce89658@gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <cf337a96-9a64-b86e-09c4-b6d6bf59bd28@gmail.com>

In BBC promotions in the 70s and 80s we had a lot of film to transfer to 
2" tape. Sessions were booked several times a week and we had four 
machines, two 16mm and two 35mm. They would only go at 1x speed and we 
would need clips from various places down the roll. There wasn't time to 
just transfer the lot, so we had to choreograph the session, switching 
each machine to VT as the right bits were ready.

Then one day, one of the machines was TK44, the brand new Rank Cintel 
MK3. It could fast spool, and it could take35, 16 (and 8mm if you had 
the block).? Suddenly we only needed one machine as long as it was TK44. 
The much practiced art of the TK transfer session was instantly redundant.

B



On 30/07/2018 12:43, Ian H wrote:
> The beauty of the?rotating prism was that it could cope with film 
> _not_ shot at 25fps as it did mixes between frames - but, I presume as 
> I don't recall them used in colour, that the prism introduced colour 
> shading (as prisms do??).
>
> When colour (and transistor) TKs and slide scanners came in (1960s) 
> the signal processing was such that first you had to correct for the 
> afterglow of the CRT, then the scanning spot size and only after that 
> could you start to work your way back and correct for the film itself.
>
> Just saying,
>
> I
>
> PS: I digress: when Googling for Cintel Mk3.... I found this on the 
> Golden Age website - taken at Princes Gate on "6 Days" BTW (sign is a 
> Tony Carter "souvenir")
>
> On Mon, Jul 30, 2018 at 10:04 AM, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 
> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:
>
>     I seem to remember that there were two types of telecines for a
>     long time on the first and second floors. One was the twin lens,
>     and the other much more common was a rotating prism thing. I think
>     that's right. It all changed when the Rank Cintel Mk3 came along
>     and the others were instantly obsolete. But before that.....
>
>     Every year we had to make a Wimbledon trail, andthey still do.
>     They spend hugely more money than we did, which is very silly, as
>     you can hardly miss it if you happen to tune in to any BBC
>     channel. Anyway, it was a yearly duty and we didn't have oceans of
>     cash.
>
>     In 1981 my boss, Pat Hubbard, insisted on going to do some
>     prefilming, which he did on an empty court at Queens with some low
>     seeded player. The filming didn't go well, as the cameraman was a
>     "coverage" sort of person and didn't grasp that this was
>     specialeffects stuff - or so Pat told me when he dumped several
>     rolls of rushes on me as the week's producer. So I had a lot of
>     pretty useless stuff.? For some reason I had to transfer the film
>     to VT via Pres B, and when the TK was stopped it produced a proper
>     still frame as opposed to the usual prism mash together. This I
>     was told (it was a long time ago, so could be rubbish), that they
>     were on one of the rare twin lens TKs.? I asked the operator to
>     hand roll the machine, and I got a slow motion that was otherwise
>     impossible at that time.? I picked a good close up, and had him
>     just roll through what was maybe fifty frames from the 45,000 or
>     so Pat had shot.? Some screwing around with the vision mixer
>     ensued. Not much in the way of effects in those days- and this was
>     the point at which Pres A was being updated to it's Grass Valley
>     300 bells and whistles- and I got a trail that looked like the
>     attachedGIF. I was quite proud of it at the time, which is why I
>     still have it.
>
>     B
>
>
>
>
>
>     On 29/07/2018 16:02, Alec Bray via Tech1 wrote:
>>
>>     Hi all,
>>
>>     The actual title is
>>
>>     "The Rank Cintel Twin-Claw Twin-Lens Flying-Spot 16mm Film Scanner"
>>
>>     I've linked 1 file to this email:
>>     Rank-Cintel-Telecine.pdf
>>     <https://app.box.com/s/fo4enkqeodmfuy5vg9986ctbnr6li007>(26.2
>>     MB)Box
>>     <https://www.box.com/thunderbird>https://app.box.com/s/fo4enkqeodmfuy5vg9986ctbnr6li007
>>     <https://app.box.com/s/fo4enkqeodmfuy5vg9986ctbnr6li007>
>>     Mozilla Thunderbird <http://www.getthunderbird.com> makes it easy
>>     to share large files over email.
>>
>>
>>     This is the LAST one of my Engineering Division reprints.? All
>>     good things have to come to an end!
>>
>>     If anyone has other Engineering Division reprints, I, for one,
>>     would be pleased to see them.? Hopefully - IF it is OK with
>>     Bernie - we can put them on the Tech Ops web site (the reprints
>>     were originally intended? for us and TAs, amongst others!)
>>
>>     BTW, no one commented about the missing second page of the
>>     Testing and Operation of IO paper: this page was blank in my copy
>>     of the reprint! If anyone can supply the missing page ...
>>
>>
>>     -- 
>>
>>     Best Regards
>>
>>     Alec
>>
>>     Alec Bray
>>
>>     alec.bray.2 at gmail.com <mailto:alec.bray.2 at gmail.com>
>>     mob:     07789 561 346
>>     home:  0118 942 9543
>>
>>
>
>
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From patheigham at amps.net  Mon Jul 30 10:48:13 2018
From: patheigham at amps.net (patrickheigham)
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2018 16:48:13 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Eng Div Reprint: Rank Cintel Telecine
In-Reply-To: <cf337a96-9a64-b86e-09c4-b6d6bf59bd28@gmail.com>
References: <82c6f87d-ecfa-d754-e056-8524423aea13@gmail.com><afe51760-f02b-14e0-f1ee-44b7fce89658@gmail.com><CAO37+kaP12mQJMmLUsX8duBBWUU6mn89hj0wSDWJfUVX=3TS6Q@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <32AEFA98C0434FE380EFC8714CD6FF97@PATRICKSONY>

As a slight spin-off - I came across these people:
https://www.images4life.com/cine-trans-1.html

Seems they handle most gauges except 35mm,
designed for the home movie enthusiasts to preserve
precious movies in digital form.

I shall try them as I have some Std 8 footage that was
shot with re-perfed 16mm stock, used in a double-run
camera, but the extra sprocket holes
were out enough to produce a bad jitter on projection.
Might be that their system can correct this.

i think someone on this group put some material
their way, and was pleased.

Best
Pat


----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Bernard Newnham via Tech1 
  Cc: Tech-OpsMailing List 
  Sent: Monday, July 30, 2018 4:12 PM
  Subject: Re: [Tech1] Eng Div Reprint: Rank Cintel Telecine


  In BBC promotions in the 70s and 80s we had a lot of film to transfer to 2" tape. Sessions were booked several times a week and we had four machines, two 16mm and two 35mm. They would only go at 1x speed and we would need clips from various places down the roll. There wasn't time to just transfer the lot, so we had to choreograph the session, switching each machine to VT as the right bits were ready. 

  Then one day, one of the machines was TK44, the brand new Rank Cintel MK3. It could fast spool, and it could take 35, 16 (and 8mm if you had the block).  Suddenly we only needed one machine as long as it was TK44.   The much practiced art of the TK transfer session was instantly redundant.

  B


   


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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Mon Jul 30 15:02:55 2018
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2018 21:02:55 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Quatermass and the Pit
Message-ID: <8be04409-6db0-db4a-d7cd-1cb53a12d354@gmail.com>

This is on the iPlayer now.?? It's a good watch, and there's a good 
article about it on Wikipedia - 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quatermass_and_the_Pit .

Of course, Tubby Englander gets all the camera credit, and although 
therewas a lot shot at Ealing, they didn't have to do it live, from 
Riverside 1. The last scene includes the front of the Mole -



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From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com  Mon Jul 30 15:13:26 2018
From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray)
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2018 21:13:26 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Quatermass and the Pit
In-Reply-To: <8be04409-6db0-db4a-d7cd-1cb53a12d354@gmail.com>
References: <8be04409-6db0-db4a-d7cd-1cb53a12d354@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAA0HHB0Gq4TZVkTNmA=R=Supyy8V8NKMYxuZpxnydXi6F2y9BQ@mail.gmail.com>

And the last scene includes a shot of a caption stand, which actually has
the Quatermass' program's end credit caption!
BR Alec

sent from my mobile phone. Apologies for any strange autocorrections.

On Mon, 30 Jul 2018, 21:03 Bernard Newnham via Tech1, <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
wrote:

> This is on the iPlayer now.   It's a good watch, and there's a good
> article about it on Wikipedia -
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quatermass_and_the_Pit .
>
> Of course, Tubby Englander gets all the camera credit, and although there
> was a lot shot at Ealing, they didn't have to do it live, from Riverside
> 1. The last scene includes the front of the Mole -
>
>
>
> B
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From chrisandmarg at metronet.co.uk  Mon Jul 30 15:54:46 2018
From: chrisandmarg at metronet.co.uk (Chris Pocock)
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2018 21:54:46 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Eng Div Reprint: Rank Cintel Telecine
In-Reply-To: <82c6f87d-ecfa-d754-e056-8524423aea13@gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <4BA9A40C59754673BFF4626F1B1AA2A8@ChrisPC>

Hi All,
Maybe the last of Alec?s reprints but I have some more for anyone who is interested!
My Initial Course at Evesham started 27th May 1963 ? I think Alec was on it. STO Course 24 from 23/09/67 to 22/12/67was followed by Sound Training Course 12.

I have all my notes and hand-outs from those courses (supposed to be getting rid of them sometime!)

They include;

Engineering Training Supplement No7
Basic Principals of television lighting  BBC (1952)

BBC Engineering Division Reprint Articles.

Video tape recorder design. Reprint Article No. A18

The Plumbicon - A camera tube with a photoconductive lead oxide layer. Reprint Article No.A71

Camera tubes for studio use- A semi-technical appraisal for educators Reprint Article No. A.49

Television Studio Lighting Equipment. Reprint Article No. A.27   I think you have this already.

The Use of Pulse Code Modulation for Point-to-Point Music Transmission. Reprint Article No. A85

Reprint from The Journal of The British Institution of Radio Engineers. (May 1960)
Some aspects of vidicon performance (Research Labs of EMI)

>From Sound Training Course

Technical Instruction - Microphone Data Sheets updated July 1970 BBC Eng. Div.

Instructions on use of Sound desks; Calrec, Neve, Pye, EMI

also Mellotron, Ambiophony

Last but not least Staff Instruction 304 29th June 1970 Conditions of Service: Monthly Staff in OP, AS, and SC Structures working in the UK.

Alas, I have not copied any yet but let me know if you are interested.

Chris Pocock


From: Alec Bray via Tech1  

Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2018 4:02 PM
To: Tech Ops 
Subject: [Tech1] Eng Div Reprint: Rank Cintel Telecine

This is the LAST one of my Engineering Division reprints.  All good things have to come to an end!

If anyone has other Engineering Division reprints, I, for one, would be pleased to see them.  Hopefully - IF it is OK with Bernie - we can put them on the Tech Ops web site (the reprints were originally intended  for us and TAs, amongst others!)

BTW, no one commented about the missing second page of the Testing and Operation of IO paper:  this page was blank in my copy of the reprint! If anyone can supply the missing page ...




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Alec

Alec Bray

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From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com  Tue Jul 31 01:55:55 2018
From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray)
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2018 07:55:55 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Eng Div Reprint: Rank Cintel Telecine
In-Reply-To: <4BA9A40C59754673BFF4626F1B1AA2A8@ChrisPC>
References: <82c6f87d-ecfa-d754-e056-8524423aea13@gmail.com>
	<4BA9A40C59754673BFF4626F1B1AA2A8@ChrisPC>
Message-ID: <3d50cf32-c957-225e-96ad-6500eb81407e@gmail.com>

Hi Chris and all others


On 30/07/2018 21:54, Chris Pocock wrote:
> My Initial Course at Evesham started 27th May 1963 ? I think Alec was 
> on it. 

Yup, I was indeed ... We shared a room, you complained that I talked in 
my sleep!? We used your car for filming part of the opening sequence on 
TK for our end-of-course programme. You were a star actor in that film.? 
In the club at Evesham, cupping your ear to hear the phone call that was 
to summon us all back to WoodNorton to put on the show.? Then a "race" 
in your car along the road to the WoodNorton gates, and as we swung 
through the gates, I changed the frame rate on the Arriflex to speed up 
our entry ... Alas, having kept the film for many years, I cleared out 
part of the loft - including that film - some long years ago.

My regret is that I binned all my Evesham notes and ephemera before I 
found Bernie's website and the Tech Ops people, so a copy of all your 
Evesham notes would be great.? I think it would be a wonderful addition 
to the Tech Ops website - /pace/ Bernie...

You have been more thorough than I have been, as you have given full 
titles and the BBC identification number for your articles.? We have 
some duplicates - I have already posted the following articles (using a 
very shortened name in some cases):
/
/

/Engineering Training Supplement No7
Video tape recorder design. Reprint Article No. A18
The Plumbicon - A camera tube with a photoconductive lead oxide layer. 
Reprint Article No.A71
Camera tubes for studio use- A semi-technical appraisal for educators 
Reprint Article No. A.49//
//Television Studio Lighting Equipment. Reprint Article No. A.27/

So I - and I hope others, too - would be very interested in all the 
other reprints and articles that you have to offer - for example, I 
recall that some time ago there was discussion here about the Mellotron 
(and its use on "Strawberry Fields").

I look forward to seeing some of these articles and reprints!

With very best wishes,

-- 

Best Regards

Alec

Alec Bray

alec.bray.2 at gmail.com
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From rogerbunce at btinternet.com  Tue Jul 31 02:55:19 2018
From: rogerbunce at btinternet.com (ROGER BUNCE)
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2018 07:55:19 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tech1] Quatermass and the Pit
In-Reply-To: <8be04409-6db0-db4a-d7cd-1cb53a12d354@gmail.com>
References: <8be04409-6db0-db4a-d7cd-1cb53a12d354@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <741730870.5914530.1533023719604@mail.yahoo.com>

I got the DVD some time ago.
You start watching and you think -?this is a bit?amateur-night by today's standards: the sets are underdressed; the acting's a bit theatrical; the camerawork's bit wobbly, etc. That feeling lasts for about ten minutes, then the atmosphere takes over, and everything else is forgotten. I still think it's one of the scariest pieces of television drama ever!
Did anyone here work on it?
luv, Rog.

      From: Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
 To: "tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk" <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> 
 Sent: Monday, 30 July 2018, 23:30
 Subject: [Tech1] Quatermass and the Pit
   
  This is on the iPlayer now.?? It's a good watch, and there's a good article about it on Wikipedia - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quatermass_and_the_Pit .
 
 Of course, Tubby Englander gets all the camera credit, and although there was a lot shot at Ealing, they didn't have to do it live, from Riverside 1. The last scene includes the front of the Mole - 
 
 
 
 B
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From jpn at imixmics.co.uk  Tue Jul 31 03:05:49 2018
From: jpn at imixmics.co.uk (John Nottage)
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2018 09:05:49 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [Tech1] Smart Meters
Message-ID: <1802033317.12237.1533024349855@email.1and1.co.uk>

Anyone who is happy with their smart meter should read the thriller "Blackout : tomorrow will be too late" by Marc Elsberg. Rather scary...

John


From ian.hillson at gmail.com  Tue Jul 31 06:08:43 2018
From: ian.hillson at gmail.com (Ian H)
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2018 12:08:43 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Smart Meters
In-Reply-To: <1802033317.12237.1533024349855@email.1and1.co.uk>
References: <1802033317.12237.1533024349855@email.1and1.co.uk>
Message-ID: <CAO37+kZ12gAZSRSPmS5XEj+EStMiC9GUCtvKMhpDuFXrAZ13ew@mail.gmail.com>

I keep reading stories about how smart meters are good for electricity
companies - keeping you locked into one supplier - they can turn it into a
prepayment meter without having to get a court order to enter your house -
etc.  And now today: they can tweak the pricing, according to demand every
half hour!
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/07/30/smart-meters-will-let-companies-change-cost-electricity-every/

I

On Tue, Jul 31, 2018 at 9:05 AM, John Nottage via Tech1 <
tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

> Anyone who is happy with their smart meter should read the thriller
> "Blackout : tomorrow will be too late" by Marc Elsberg. Rather scary...
>
> John
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From peter.neill at icloud.com  Tue Jul 31 06:12:19 2018
From: peter.neill at icloud.com (Peter Neill)
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2018 11:12:19 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Tech1] Smart Meters
Message-ID: <e1c1ec7b-69af-4d64-ac53-85e8f867f793@me.com>

And there are also stories that if your house is in an area with bad mobile reception (as mine is) they can disconnect you inadvertently.

On 31 Jul, 2018, at 12:09 PM, Ian H via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

I keep reading stories about how smart meters are good for electricity companies - keeping you locked into one supplier - they can turn it into a prepayment meter without having to get a court order to enter your house - etc.? And now today: they can tweak the pricing, according to demand every half hour!
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/07/30/smart-meters-will-let-companies-change-cost-electricity-every/

I

On Tue, Jul 31, 2018 at 9:05 AM, John Nottage via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
Anyone who is happy with their smart meter should read the thriller "Blackout : tomorrow will be too late" by Marc Elsberg. Rather scary...

John

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From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk  Tue Jul 31 08:04:08 2018
From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf)
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2018 14:04:08 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Smart Meters
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Yes, it is perfectly feasible to put control too far into the hands of 
the electricity suppliers, and yes, the use of mobile network signals is 
not clever given the current coverage.

But the concept of smart metering is nonetheless a good one. When 
electric cars come in on a bigger scale - nigh-on a certainty - the 
ability to have some sort of dynamic control (and pricing to go with it) 
becomes essential. I'd love to have 2-way communication and dynamic 
pricing for my ground source heating, instead of the ridiculous fixed 
time off-peak arrangements that are the only option currently.

The problem isn't really the smart metering, but the governments that we 
have who allow such ideas to be implemented so stupidly.

Once upon a time it was thought to be a good idea to put fibre phone 
connections to every house, but Mrs T vetoed it because she thought it 
was too expensive. Think how far ahead we would be now if that had 
happened...

Chris Woolf


On 31/07/2018 12:12, Peter Neill via Tech1 wrote:
> And there are also stories that if your house is in an area with bad 
> mobile reception (as mine is) they can disconnect you inadvertently.
>
> On 31 Jul, 2018, at 12:09 PM, Ian H via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> 
> wrote:
>
>> I keep reading stories about how smart meters are good for 
>> electricity companies - keeping you locked into one supplier - they 
>> can turn it into a prepayment meter without having to get a court 
>> order to enter your house - etc.? And now today: they can tweak the 
>> pricing, according to demand every half hour!
>> https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/07/30/smart-meters-will-let-companies-change-cost-electricity-every/
>>
>> I
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 31, 2018 at 9:05 AM, John Nottage via Tech1 
>> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:
>>
>>     Anyone who is happy with their smart meter should read the
>>     thriller "Blackout : tomorrow will be too late" by Marc Elsberg.
>>     Rather scary...
>>
>>     John
>>
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From dave at davesound.co.uk  Tue Jul 31 08:10:39 2018
From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman)
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2018 14:10:39 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Smart Meters
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In article <e1c1ec7b-69af-4d64-ac53-85e8f867f793 at me.com>,
   Peter Neill via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> And there are also stories that if your house is in an area with bad
> mobile reception (as mine is) they can disconnect you inadvertently.

Mate who lives in Tooting - standard Edwardian terraced house for the
area, with meter under the cupboard stairs - wanted one. But they couldn't
fit it due to lack of signal.

I'm with Flipper who change me automatically to the best deal going. So a
meter which won't work with all suppliers as much use as a chocolate
teapot. Even although it would be more convenient to read than the gas
meter in my cellar. Which was installed in such a way that you have to
lean over to read it.

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    Dave Plowman     dave at davesound.co.uk     London SW 12