From bernie833 at gmail.com Tue Dec 4 17:21:25 2018 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2018 23:21:25 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] BBC Presentation Christmas 1986 Message-ID: <6a923469-529a-e96f-007a-bd273c5f9386@gmail.com> A long time ago, in a galaxy far far away...... A Pres Control secretary called Fran decided to leave the department, back in the days when leaving was pretty much unheard of.? Presentation Editor Granville Jenkins had bought himself a video camera, and set out to make a video of everyone saying goodbye to Fran. Somehow, long ago, I was given a copy of the rushes. I don't remember what format they were on, probably second or third generation VHS, nor do I remember why, but I recently found a DVD copy in amongst much other stuff lying around here.? I've done a rather late edit. Much of the material was given to "Goodbye Fran" stuff, but Granny often started recording early and stopped late. The bits round the edges form lots of tiny character vignettes which, much, much later, are fascinating. Some people only got to say the goodbye bit - not too relevant now - but I still wanted to put them in, so they are slomo-ed.? Granny also covered much of the places we worked and the gear we used, and that adds a context. I don't know if Granny ever did a edit, but his experience must have been a lot different to mine. I'm sitting here at home in front of the free version of Blackmagic Da Vince Resolve, so reversing the last shot, laying multiple audio tracks, trimming a word or sentence, and adding titles (in BBC Washington typeface), was the work of seconds. How the world has moved on. Anyway - if you were there, and even if you weren't, please enjoy this visit to BBC TV Centre and its presentation department, when, in hindsight, it was at its peak. 32 years late - http://www.tech-ops.co.uk/bern/BBC_Pres_Christmas_1986.mp4 Happy Christmas 2018 Bernie -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Tue Dec 4 17:41:43 2018 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2018 23:41:43 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Red and wet! Message-ID: <9d6083dc-5f63-99b8-d13d-40ce09103a35@btinternet.com> I have just been to Asda and saved ?12! Simplez, just buy 6 bottles of Lindeman's 'Gentleman's Collection' and there you go! 25% off is not to be ignored!. Cheers, hic, Dave From bernie833 at gmail.com Wed Dec 5 04:17:18 2018 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2018 10:17:18 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Red and wet! In-Reply-To: <9d6083dc-5f63-99b8-d13d-40ce09103a35@btinternet.com> References: <9d6083dc-5f63-99b8-d13d-40ce09103a35@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <7ad923b2-6961-f096-9189-8dbadbfe8eb1@ntlworld.com> Majestic Wine Warehouse has just sent me a voucher for 50% off if I buy ?100 worth.? I'm suspicious..... B On 04/12/2018 23:41, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: > I have just been to Asda and saved ?12! Simplez, just buy 6 bottles of > Lindeman's 'Gentleman's Collection' and there you go! 25% off is not > to be ignored!. Cheers, hic, Dave > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nickrodger at mac.com Wed Dec 5 04:53:51 2018 From: nickrodger at mac.com (Nick Rodger) Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2018 10:53:51 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Red and wet! In-Reply-To: <7ad923b2-6961-f096-9189-8dbadbfe8eb1@ntlworld.com> References: <9d6083dc-5f63-99b8-d13d-40ce09103a35@btinternet.com> <7ad923b2-6961-f096-9189-8dbadbfe8eb1@ntlworld.com> Message-ID: If anyone fancies a trip to, or even an overnight, in the Pas de Calais or thereabouts, if you go to the Majestic Wine Calais/Coquelles website and pre~order ?250 worth of wine (easy between 2, we found) they pay for your crossing. Ferry or train. Very easy to sort out, ?4 off per bottle Do now before Brexit gets in the way!! Nick Rodger Cameraman 07971 007578 nickrodger at mac.com Sent from my iPhone. Please excuse typos! On 5 Dec 2018, at 10:17, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: Majestic Wine Warehouse has just sent me a voucher for 50% off if I buy ?100 worth. I'm suspicious..... B > On 04/12/2018 23:41, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: > I have just been to Asda and saved ?12! Simplez, just buy 6 bottles of Lindeman's 'Gentleman's Collection' and there you go! 25% off is not to be ignored!. Cheers, hic, Dave > -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From waresound at msn.com Wed Dec 5 06:26:56 2018 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2018 12:26:56 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Red and wet! In-Reply-To: References: <9d6083dc-5f63-99b8-d13d-40ce09103a35@btinternet.com> <7ad923b2-6961-f096-9189-8dbadbfe8eb1@ntlworld.com>, Message-ID: I endorse that recommendation. My wife and I (and others before her!!) used to make regular trips to Calais on long dirty weekend / wine shopping trips until quite recently. Car came back loaded down worryingly on its rear suspension. Only got out of the habit because of worsening ? against ? and the refugee camps, etc. Really nice just to drive a few miles South to where English isn?t the first language and find a nice cosy place to eat and stay. Must do it again. And I?ve never been sure, but I have a distinct feeling that wines you buy in France (and Spain) taste better than the tanker loads that reach these shores. Cheers, Nick. Sent from Nick?s iPad On 5 Dec 2018, at 10:54, Nick Rodger via Tech1 > wrote: If anyone fancies a trip to, or even an overnight, in the Pas de Calais or thereabouts, if you go to the Majestic Wine Calais/Coquelles website and pre~order ?250 worth of wine (easy between 2, we found) they pay for your crossing. Ferry or train. Very easy to sort out, ?4 off per bottle Do now before Brexit gets in the way!! Nick Rodger Cameraman 07971 007578 nickrodger at mac.com Sent from my iPhone. Please excuse typos! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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With aching sides I went into the studio and asked the sparks to turn the lights on manually, and on we went. Now all you have to do for next year is a video of 'Where are they now.........?' TeaTeaFN - Tony On Tue, Dec 4, 2018 at 11:22 PM Bernard Newnham via Tech1 < tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote: > > A long time ago, in a galaxy far far away...... > > A Pres Control secretary called Fran decided to leave the department, back > in the days when leaving was pretty much unheard of. Presentation Editor > Granville Jenkins had bought himself a video camera, and set out to make a > video of everyone saying goodbye to Fran. > > Somehow, long ago, I was given a copy of the rushes. I don't remember what > format they were on, probably second or third generation VHS, nor do I > remember why, but I recently found a DVD copy in amongst much other stuff > lying around here. I've done a rather late edit. Much of the material was > given to "Goodbye Fran" stuff, but Granny often started recording early and > stopped late. The bits round the edges form lots of tiny character > vignettes which, much, much later, are fascinating. Some people only got to > say the goodbye bit - not too relevant now - but I still wanted to put them > in, so they are slomo-ed. Granny also covered much of the places we worked > and the gear we used, and that adds a context. > > I don't know if Granny ever did a edit, but his experience must have been > a lot different to mine. I'm sitting here at home in front of the free > version of Blackmagic Da Vince Resolve, so reversing the last shot, laying > multiple audio tracks, trimming a word or sentence, and adding titles (in > BBC Washington typeface), was the work of seconds. How the world has > moved on. > > Anyway - if you were there, and even if you weren't, please enjoy this > visit to BBC TV Centre and its presentation department, when, in hindsight, > it was at its peak. > > 32 years late - http://www.tech-ops.co.uk/bern/BBC_Pres_Christmas_1986.mp4 > > Happy Christmas 2018 > > Bernie > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bernie833 at gmail.com Thu Dec 6 09:08:39 2018 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2018 15:08:39 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] BBC Presentation Christmas 1986 In-Reply-To: References: <6a923469-529a-e96f-007a-bd273c5f9386@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Tony I only did the edit, Granny shot the video, and TK Bethan must have been off that day. Joe E gets a tiny moment. Sadly "where they now?" is often "Gone to the great NC1 in the sky", notably Granny himself, Terry Yetton, Pat Hubbard, Brian Wolstenholme and Frank Hurrell. B On 05/12/2018 21:17, Tony Grant wrote: > Thank you Bernie, what a lot of memories come cascading back. You've > missed out T. K. Betham (is that how it was spelt) but perhaps he was > already in his own little cubbyhole for 'Quality Control' still > managing to upset all and sundry. My favourite moment was just after > Pres A had been refurbished with Grass valley mixer and other bells > and whistles, we were just about to go on air with the lunchtime > weather and his lighting control panel in the gallery seized up. He > was last seen racing up and down the corridor outside yelling 'I've > lost control. I've lost control..' With aching sides I went into the > studio and asked the sparks to turn the lights on manually, and on we > went. > > ?Now all you have to do for next year is a video of 'Where are they > now.........?' > > TeaTeaFN - Tony > > On Tue, Dec 4, 2018 at 11:22 PM Bernard Newnham via Tech1 > > wrote: > > > A long time ago, in a galaxy far far away...... > > A Pres Control secretary called Fran decided to leave the > department, back in the days when leaving was pretty much unheard > of.? Presentation Editor Granville Jenkins had bought himself a > video camera, and set out to make a video of everyone saying > goodbye to Fran. > > Somehow, long ago, I was given a copy of the rushes. I don't > remember what format they were on, probably second or third > generation VHS, nor do I remember why, but I recently found a DVD > copy in amongst much other stuff lying around here.? I've done a > rather late edit. Much of the material was given to "Goodbye Fran" > stuff, but Granny often started recording early and stopped late. > The bits round the edges form lots of tiny character vignettes > which, much, much later, are fascinating. Some people only got to > say the goodbye bit - not too relevant now - but I still wanted to > put them in, so they are slomo-ed.? Granny also covered much of > the places we worked and the gear we used, and that adds a context. > > I don't know if Granny ever did a edit, but his experience must > have been a lot different to mine. I'm sitting here at home in > front of the free version of Blackmagic Da Vince Resolve, so > reversing the last shot, laying multiple audio tracks, trimming a > word or sentence, and adding titles (in BBC Washington typeface), > was the work of seconds. How the world has moved on. > > Anyway - if you were there, and even if you weren't, please enjoy > this visit to BBC TV Centre and its presentation department, when, > in hindsight, it was at its peak. > > 32 years late - > http://www.tech-ops.co.uk/bern/BBC_Pres_Christmas_1986.mp4 > > Happy Christmas 2018 > > Bernie > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From geoffreyhawkes at btinternet.com Thu Dec 6 16:39:46 2018 From: geoffreyhawkes at btinternet.com (Geoff Hawkes) Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2018 22:39:46 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] BBC Presentation Christmas 1986 In-Reply-To: <6a923469-529a-e96f-007a-bd273c5f9386@gmail.com> References: <6a923469-529a-e96f-007a-bd273c5f9386@gmail.com> Message-ID: <000601d48db4$96c6aee0$c4540ca0$@btinternet.com> Hi Bernie, Thank you so much for sharing that video with us beginning with the walk down the Pres corridor that was so familiar to many of us. It was wonderful to see that fine cast of characters who populated the area in those days and who many of us remember very well from our time there. I?d want to go through it frame by frame and try to put names to all of them, or the ones I can?t identify. I think it must have been Janet Hoenig making the comment ?Second time today?. She seemed in remarkably good humour considering that I didn?t find her the most likeable of the production staff I had to do with at the time. I think I spotted your wife, Pauline too? And old Frank Hurrell, Geoff Pointer?s second-in-command; I liked him. And a brief appearance of Anne Crocker, what a character she was. Albert Barber tells the story of when she decided it was time for her meal break and left the gallery halfway through a junction, which I can believe. I was wondering when Fran, the object of it (Francis Walton I assume) would make an appearance and sure enough, there she was doing the countdown into a trail. I chatted to her a lot while on one of the usual camera attachments we did and got to know her quite well. I?ve often wondered what happened to her and hope she made it to old age, despite her problems the type of which I hadn?t heard much about at that time but have become much more widely known today. My memories of those people picture them just as they look in that video, which is hardly surprising considering that I?ve not seen most of them since. Good old Ian Stubbs, what happened to him? I?d love to know as he was a very likeable, genial, down-to-earth sort of person that it was easy to get along with. Do try and get him to come to one of the lunches if he?d like to. I won?t be at the one next week but hope to be again soon when perhaps we could look through the video together. Lots of people would want to gather round with the same fascination, I?m sure, Regards, Geoff From: Tech1 [mailto:tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk] On Behalf Of Bernard Newnham via Tech1 Sent: 04 December 2018 23:21 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: [Tech1] BBC Presentation Christmas 1986 A long time ago, in a galaxy far far away...... A Pres Control secretary called Fran decided to leave the department, back in the days when leaving was pretty much unheard of. Presentation Editor Granville Jenkins had bought himself a video camera, and set out to make a video of everyone saying goodbye to Fran. Somehow, long ago, I was given a copy of the rushes. I don't remember what format they were on, probably second or third generation VHS, nor do I remember why, but I recently found a DVD copy in amongst much other stuff lying around here. I've done a rather late edit. Much of the material was given to "Goodbye Fran" stuff, but Granny often started recording early and stopped late. The bits round the edges form lots of tiny character vignettes which, much, much later, are fascinating. Some people only got to say the goodbye bit - not too relevant now - but I still wanted to put them in, so they are slomo-ed. Granny also covered much of the places we worked and the gear we used, and that adds a context. I don't know if Granny ever did a edit, but his experience must have been a lot different to mine. I'm sitting here at home in front of the free version of Blackmagic Da Vince Resolve, so reversing the last shot, laying multiple audio tracks, trimming a word or sentence, and adding titles (in BBC Washington typeface), was the work of seconds. How the world has moved on. Anyway - if you were there, and even if you weren't, please enjoy this visit to BBC TV Centre and its presentation department, when, in hindsight, it was at its peak. 32 years late - http://www.tech-ops.co.uk/bern/BBC_Pres_Christmas_1986.mp4 Happy Christmas 2018 Bernie -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bernie833 at gmail.com Thu Dec 6 17:33:02 2018 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2018 23:33:02 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] BBC Presentation Christmas 1986 In-Reply-To: <000601d48db4$96c6aee0$c4540ca0$@btinternet.com> References: <6a923469-529a-e96f-007a-bd273c5f9386@gmail.com> <000601d48db4$96c6aee0$c4540ca0$@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <9c03e643-5da2-b266-3e27-a821616ed49c@ntlworld.com> Hi Geoff Though lots of the people in the video are gone now, Frances is still out there. She emailed in the same way you have, just the other day. Janet was a good person once you got to know her. Perhaps rather shy. And yes, Pauline did her bit.? My next edit is just her, demonstrating network directing just before she left. cheers B On 06/12/2018 22:39, Geoff Hawkes wrote: > > Hi Bernie, > > Thank you so much for sharing that video with us beginning with the > walk down the Pres corridor that was so familiar to many of us. It was > wonderful to see that fine cast of characters who populated the area > in those days and who many of us remember very well from our time > there. I?d want to go through it frame by frame and try to put names > to all of them, or the ones I can?t identify. I think it must have > been Janet Hoenig making the comment ?Second time today?. She seemed > in remarkably good humour considering that I didn?t find her the most > likeable of the production staff I had to do with at the time. I think > I spotted your wife, Pauline too? And old Frank Hurrell, Geoff > Pointer?s second-in-command; I liked him. And a brief appearance of > Anne Crocker, what a character she was. Albert Barber tells the story > of when she decided it was time for her meal break and left the > gallery halfway through a junction, which I can believe. > > I was wondering when Fran, the object of it (Francis Walton I assume) > would make an appearance and sure enough, there she was doing the > countdown into a trail. I chatted to her a lot while on one of the > usual camera attachments we did and got to know her quite well. I?ve > often wondered what happened to her and hope she made it to old age, > despite her problems the type of which I hadn?t heard much about at > that time but have become much more widely known today. > > My memories of those people picture them ?just as they look in that > video, which is hardly surprising considering that I?ve not seen most > of them since. Good old Ian Stubbs, what happened to him? I?d love to > know as he was? a very likeable, genial, down-to-earth sort of person > that it was easy to get along with. Do try and get him to come to one > of the lunches if he?d like to. I won?t be at the one next week but > hope to be again soon when perhaps we could look through the video > together. Lots of people would want to gather round with the same > fascination, I?m sure, > > Regards, > > *Geoff* > > *From:*Tech1 [mailto:tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk] *On Behalf Of > *Bernard Newnham via Tech1 > *Sent:* 04 December 2018 23:21 > *To:* tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > *Subject:* [Tech1] BBC Presentation Christmas 1986 > > > A long time ago, in a galaxy far far away...... > > A Pres Control secretary called Fran decided to leave the department, > back in the days when leaving was pretty much unheard of.? > Presentation Editor Granville Jenkins had bought himself a video > camera, and set out to make a video of everyone saying goodbye to Fran. > > Somehow, long ago, I was given a copy of the rushes. I don't remember > what format they were on, probably second or third generation VHS, nor > do I remember why, but I recently found a DVD copy in amongst much > other stuff lying around here. I've done a rather late edit. Much of > the material was given to "Goodbye Fran" stuff, but Granny often > started recording early and stopped late. The bits round the edges > form lots of tiny character vignettes which, much, much later, are > fascinating. Some people only got to say the goodbye bit - not too > relevant now - but I still wanted to put them in, so they are > slomo-ed.? Granny also covered much of the places we worked and the > gear we used, and that adds a context. > > I don't know if Granny ever did a edit, but his experience must have > been a lot different to mine. I'm sitting here at home in front of the > free version of Blackmagic Da Vince Resolve, so reversing the last > shot, laying multiple audio tracks, trimming a word or sentence, and > adding titles (in BBC Washington typeface), was the work of seconds. > How the world has moved on. > > Anyway - if you were there, and even if you weren't, please enjoy this > visit to BBC TV Centre and its presentation department, when, in > hindsight, it was at its peak. > > 32 years late - http://www.tech-ops.co.uk/bern/BBC_Pres_Christmas_1986.mp4 > > Happy Christmas 2018 > > Bernie > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hughsheppard at btinternet.com Mon Dec 10 09:28:23 2018 From: hughsheppard at btinternet.com (Hugh Sheppard) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2018 15:28:23 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Freeview and Catch-up Message-ID: <18caac49-e373-4025-8880-ea7f6af137b5@btinternet.com> OK...? An explanation please.? I use Freeview TV mainly, with the internet built into a small Samsung TV in one room for iPlayer/catch-up, and with a BT YouView set-up for an older, larger Sony receiver in another.? I was pleased to find the BT/Sony set-up allowed me to spool back to the point where I had switched the set on so, as an example, provided I had the Ch. 4 News on from 7pm, I could come into the room 10 minutes later and then watch from the start. The Samsung is a later set and not tied to BT or a Humax box, but just recently, I found I could spool back using the remote for that too. Better still, it would do that from earlier than the point when it was switched on - which the Sony/BT set up won't do.? What's happening here please??? In either case, where is the 'replay' running from?? Surely Freeview can only offer the 'live' service, so does the replay come via the internet or off a local hard-drive?? Either way, it's almost seamless.? Even the Freeview website didn't seem to explain. Hugh -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave at davesound.co.uk Mon Dec 10 09:42:09 2018 From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2018 15:42:09 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Tech1] Freeview and Catch-up In-Reply-To: <18caac49-e373-4025-8880-ea7f6af137b5@btinternet.com> References: <18caac49-e373-4025-8880-ea7f6af137b5@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <5764470df1dave@davesound.co.uk> Fairly certain all these catch up services come via the internet. Easy to check - take your set off line and see if that part still works. One thing does confuse me - if I switch to a live prog like say Newsnight after it's started, I get the option to go back to the beginning. But if I go to FreeView Play just after it's ended, it will often say 'coming soon'. As do many live progs. In article <18caac49-e373-4025-8880-ea7f6af137b5 at btinternet.com>, Hugh Sheppard via Tech1 wrote: > OK... An explanation please. I use Freeview TV mainly, with the > internet built into a small Samsung TV in one room for iPlayer/catch-up, > and with a BT YouView set-up for an older, larger Sony receiver in > another. I was pleased to find the BT/Sony set-up allowed me to spool > back to the point where I had switched the set on so, as an example, > provided I had the Ch. 4 News on from 7pm, I could come into the room 10 > minutes later and then watch from the start. > The Samsung is a later set and not tied to BT or a Humax box, but just > recently, I found I could spool back using the remote for that too. > Better still, it would do that from earlier than the point when it was > switched on - which the Sony/BT set up won't do. What's happening here > please?? In either case, where is the 'replay' running from? Surely > Freeview can only offer the 'live' service, so does the replay come via > the internet or off a local hard-drive? Either way, it's almost > seamless. Even the Freeview website didn't seem to explain. > Hugh -- *Great groups from little icons grow * Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From dave at davesound.co.uk Mon Dec 10 09:48:22 2018 From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2018 15:48:22 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Tech1] Groan of the day. Message-ID: <5764479f64dave@davesound.co.uk> Was listening to R4 Chain Reaction today - Harry Hill interviewing Tin Vine - obviously pals. Were discussing props, and Vine said (as I remember it) :- "I had a hat made in the shape of a microphone. Wear it on stage, and tap it. Ask the audience if the mic is on." -- *We are born naked, wet, and hungry. Then things get worse. Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From paul at pgtmedia.co.uk Mon Dec 10 10:18:31 2018 From: paul at pgtmedia.co.uk (Paul Thackray) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2018 16:18:31 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Freeview and Catch-up In-Reply-To: <18caac49-e373-4025-8880-ea7f6af137b5@btinternet.com> References: <18caac49-e373-4025-8880-ea7f6af137b5@btinternet.com> Message-ID: Hugh, Much of this is quickness of the hand fools the eye....My understanding is...... 1 Freeview has several sorts of channels. 'Normal' channels (Using 1 of 2 types of coding. Very old F/V boxes only do the original coding type, so will only receive these channels so NO HD and some other types.) Data Channels These are a bit like teletext pages, some of them just divert which data stream to look at (Like Red Button, that is sometimes text only & sometime you can get to video, the landing page tells your box or set what's available and where its hiding. (BBC 4 and CBBC work a bit like this, 2 landing pages (With 2 channel numbers) , with? one having the caption' off air' and the other having a 'channel' and swapping over at 1900 aprox each night - so just 1 channel pretending to be 2, just not at the same time.) Their are also Streamed channels (A block from Ch 260-273 at the moment?) These are just landing pages that tell your box / TV where to look on the internet to stream it from. All Boxes / TV's that have a recorder usually record all the tuners , for a set amount of time, then over records (But can not do this if they are streamed channels). This is from when the box is 'on' but I believe some manufactures do this from when power is applied, others from when it comes out of standby. Different set ups have different numbers of tuners. Lets assume you have 2 tuners, you watch something, switch to a second channel then switch back to the first. Chances are your box has the first channel recorded from before you swapped, so you can spool back on this. Had you made another swap to a third channel , before returning to the first you would not have anything the box could spool back on. Iplayer and such things are all just internet from a menu on your box. As you can see from the above its a real mix, depending on how clever the manufacturer is at tracking what is where,what the type of channel is and what resources are in the box. Hope this helps. Paul On 10/12/2018 15:28, Hugh Sheppard via Tech1 wrote: > > OK...? An explanation please.? I use Freeview TV mainly, with the > internet built into a small Samsung TV in one room for > iPlayer/catch-up, and with a BT YouView set-up for an older, larger > Sony receiver in another.? I was pleased to find the BT/Sony set-up > allowed me to spool back to the point where I had switched the set on > so, as an example, provided I had the Ch. 4 News on from 7pm, I could > come into the room 10 minutes later and then watch from the start. > > The Samsung is a later set and not tied to BT or a Humax box, but just > recently, I found I could spool back using the remote for that too. > Better still, it would do that from earlier than the point when it was > switched on - which the Sony/BT set up won't do.? What's happening > here please??? In either case, where is the 'replay' running from?? > Surely Freeview can only offer the 'live' service, so does the replay > come via the internet or off a local hard-drive?? Either way, it's > almost seamless.? Even the Freeview website didn't seem to explain. > > Hugh > > -- Paul Thackray PGT Media Consulting Ltd. +44 7802 243979 Mail; paul at pgtmedia.co.uk Web; http://www.pgtmedia.co.uk Linkedin; http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/paul-thackray/19/379/746 IMDB; http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1488554/ --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mibridge at mac.com Mon Dec 10 10:43:06 2018 From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2018 16:43:06 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Freeview and Catch-up In-Reply-To: References: <18caac49-e373-4025-8880-ea7f6af137b5@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <08503568-6E36-4B5C-9236-B7A028069F4B@mac.com> We have two sets which incorporate Freeview, iPlayer and other catch-up services. When you switch on part way through a programme, the newer one, certainly on BBC usually offers the option to press the green button to ?Watch from the beginning?, which seems to be an iPlayer function, but the older one doesn?t offer this. What seems strange is that very often it is necessary to wait some time before being able to summon a very recent programme from with the iPlayer app. For instance, my wife wanted to catch up on Strictly last Saturday, which finished at 20:10, I think, but it was captioned ?Unavailable? until some time after 20:30, as if there is some process involved in rendering the programme for iPlayer. Mike G > On 10 Dec 2018, at 16:18, Paul Thackray via Tech1 wrote: > > Hugh, > > Much of this is quickness of the hand fools the eye....My understanding is...... > 1 Freeview has several sorts of channels. 'Normal' channels (Using 1 of 2 types of coding. Very old F/V boxes only do the original coding type, so will only receive these channels so NO HD and some other types.) Data Channels These are a bit like teletext pages, some of them just divert which data stream to look at (Like Red Button, that is sometimes text only & sometime you can get to video, the landing page tells your box or set what's available and where its hiding. (BBC 4 and CBBC work a bit like this, 2 landing pages (With 2 channel numbers) , with one having the caption' off air' and the other having a 'channel' and swapping over at 1900 aprox each night - so just 1 channel pretending to be 2, just not at the same time.) Their are also Streamed channels (A block from Ch 260-273 at the moment?) These are just landing pages that tell your box / TV where to look on the internet to stream it from. > > All Boxes / TV's that have a recorder usually record all the tuners , for a set amount of time, then over records (But can not do this if they are streamed channels). This is from when the box is 'on' but I believe some manufactures do this from when power is applied, others from when it comes out of standby. Different set ups have different numbers of tuners. Lets assume you have 2 tuners, you watch something, switch to a second channel then switch back to the first. Chances are your box has the first channel recorded from before you swapped, so you can spool back on this. Had you made another swap to a third channel , before returning to the first you would not have anything the box could spool back on. > > Iplayer and such things are all just internet from a menu on your box. > As you can see from the above its a real mix, depending on how clever the manufacturer is at tracking what is where,what the type of channel is and what resources are in the box. > > > Hope this helps. > > Paul > On 10/12/2018 15:28, Hugh Sheppard via Tech1 wrote: >> OK... An explanation please. I use Freeview TV mainly, with the internet built into a small Samsung TV in one room for iPlayer/catch-up, and with a BT YouView set-up for an older, larger Sony receiver in another. I was pleased to find the BT/Sony set-up allowed me to spool back to the point where I had switched the set on so, as an example, provided I had the Ch. 4 News on from 7pm, I could come into the room 10 minutes later and then watch from the start. >> >> The Samsung is a later set and not tied to BT or a Humax box, but just recently, I found I could spool back using the remote for that too. Better still, it would do that from earlier than the point when it was switched on - which the Sony/BT set up won't do. What's happening here please?? In either case, where is the 'replay' running from? Surely Freeview can only offer the 'live' service, so does the replay come via the internet or off a local hard-drive? Either way, it's almost seamless. Even the Freeview website didn't seem to explain. >> >> Hugh >> > -- > Paul Thackray > PGT Media Consulting Ltd. > +44 7802 243979 > Mail; paul at pgtmedia.co.uk > Web; http://www.pgtmedia.co.uk > Linkedin; http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/paul-thackray/19/379/746 > IMDB; http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1488554/ > > Virus-free. www.avast.com -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From paul at pgtmedia.co.uk Mon Dec 10 10:47:27 2018 From: paul at pgtmedia.co.uk (Paul Thackray) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2018 16:47:27 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Freeview and Catch-up In-Reply-To: <5764470df1dave@davesound.co.uk> References: <18caac49-e373-4025-8880-ea7f6af137b5@btinternet.com> <5764470df1dave@davesound.co.uk> Message-ID: Dave, This is the same on Iplayer direct on your PC with no Freeview play involvement . The 'Live' programmes can be spooled back and forth. Once it finishes their is a delay while the file is copied to where 'old' programmes can be play'ed from. Paul On 10/12/2018 15:42, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: > Fairly certain all these catch up services come via the internet. Easy to > check - take your set off line and see if that part still works. > > One thing does confuse me - if I switch to a live prog like say Newsnight > after it's started, I get the option to go back to the beginning. But if I > go to FreeView Play just after it's ended, it will often say 'coming > soon'. As do many live progs. > > > In article <18caac49-e373-4025-8880-ea7f6af137b5 at btinternet.com>, > Hugh Sheppard via Tech1 wrote: >> OK... An explanation please. I use Freeview TV mainly, with the >> internet built into a small Samsung TV in one room for iPlayer/catch-up, >> and with a BT YouView set-up for an older, larger Sony receiver in >> another. I was pleased to find the BT/Sony set-up allowed me to spool >> back to the point where I had switched the set on so, as an example, >> provided I had the Ch. 4 News on from 7pm, I could come into the room 10 >> minutes later and then watch from the start. >> The Samsung is a later set and not tied to BT or a Humax box, but just >> recently, I found I could spool back using the remote for that too. >> Better still, it would do that from earlier than the point when it was >> switched on - which the Sony/BT set up won't do. What's happening here >> please?? In either case, where is the 'replay' running from? Surely >> Freeview can only offer the 'live' service, so does the replay come via >> the internet or off a local hard-drive? Either way, it's almost >> seamless. Even the Freeview website didn't seem to explain. >> Hugh -- Paul Thackray PGT Media Consulting Ltd. +44 7802 243979 Mail; paul at pgtmedia.co.uk Web; http://www.pgtmedia.co.uk Linkedin; http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/paul-thackray/19/379/746 IMDB; http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1488554/ --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From paul at pgtmedia.co.uk Mon Dec 10 10:52:14 2018 From: paul at pgtmedia.co.uk (Paul Thackray) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2018 16:52:14 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Freeview and Catch-up In-Reply-To: <08503568-6E36-4B5C-9236-B7A028069F4B@mac.com> References: <18caac49-e373-4025-8880-ea7f6af137b5@btinternet.com> <08503568-6E36-4B5C-9236-B7A028069F4B@mac.com> Message-ID: <2e5736cb-82c8-7987-0174-c2809fa7ff1e@pgtmedia.co.uk> Yes a process takes place in Salford to make files available for 'On Demand' after the live stream. I suspect it depends on how meany people are working at that time, what else needs doing (And how much of the Supper Break was spent in the 'Local'?) Paul On 10/12/2018 16:43, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: > We have two sets which incorporate Freeview, iPlayer and other > catch-up services. When you switch on part way through a programme, > the newer one, certainly on BBC usually offers the option to press the > green button to ?Watch from the beginning?, which seems to be an > iPlayer function, but the older one doesn?t offer this. > > What seems strange is that very often it is necessary to wait some > time before being able to summon a very recent programme from with the > iPlayer app. For instance, my wife wanted to catch up on Strictly last > Saturday, which finished at 20:10, I think, but it was captioned > ?Unavailable? until some time after 20:30, as if there is some process > involved in rendering the programme for iPlayer. > > Mike G > > >> On 10 Dec 2018, at 16:18, Paul Thackray via Tech1 >> > wrote: >> >> Hugh, >> >> Much of this is quickness of the hand fools the eye....My >> understanding is...... >> >> 1 Freeview has several sorts of channels. 'Normal' channels (Using 1 >> of 2 types of coding. Very old F/V boxes only do the original coding >> type, so will only receive these channels so NO HD and some other >> types.) Data Channels These are a bit like teletext pages, some of >> them just divert which data stream to look at (Like Red Button, that >> is sometimes text only & sometime you can get to video, the landing >> page tells your box or set what's available and where its hiding. >> (BBC 4 and CBBC work a bit like this, 2 landing pages (With 2 channel >> numbers) , with one having the caption' off air' and the other having >> a 'channel' and swapping over at 1900 aprox each night - so just 1 >> channel pretending to be 2, just not at the same time.) Their are >> also Streamed channels? (A block from Ch 260-273 at the moment?) >> These are just landing pages that tell your box / TV where to look on >> the internet to stream it from. >> >> All Boxes / TV's that have a recorder usually record all the tuners , >> for a set amount of time, then over records (But can not do this if >> they are streamed channels). This is from when the box is 'on' but I >> believe some manufactures do this from when power is applied, others >> from when it comes out of standby. Different set ups have different >> numbers of tuners. Lets assume you have 2 tuners, you watch >> something, switch to a second channel then switch back to the first. >> Chances are your box has the first channel recorded from before you >> swapped, so you can spool back on this. Had you made another swap to >> a third channel , before returning to the first you would not have >> anything the box could spool back on. >> >> Iplayer and such things are all just internet from a menu on your box. >> >> As you can see from the above its a real mix, depending on how clever >> the manufacturer is at tracking what is where,what the type of >> channel is and what resources are in the box. >> >> >> Hope this helps. >> >> Paul >> >> On 10/12/2018 15:28, Hugh Sheppard via Tech1 wrote: >>> >>> OK...? An explanation please.? I use Freeview TV mainly, with the >>> internet built into a small Samsung TV in one room for >>> iPlayer/catch-up, and with a BT YouView set-up for an older, larger >>> Sony receiver in another.? I was pleased to find the BT/Sony set-up >>> allowed me to spool back to the point where I had switched the set >>> on so, as an example, provided I had the Ch. 4 News on from 7pm, I >>> could come into the room 10 minutes later and then watch from the start. >>> >>> The Samsung is a later set and not tied to BT or a Humax box, but >>> just recently, I found I could spool back using the remote for that >>> too. Better still, it would do that from earlier than the point when >>> it was switched on - which the Sony/BT set up won't do.? What's >>> happening here please??? In either case, where is the 'replay' >>> running from? Surely Freeview can only offer the 'live' service, so >>> does the replay come via the internet or off a local hard-drive?? >>> Either way, it's almost seamless.? Even the Freeview website didn't >>> seem to explain. >>> >>> Hugh >>> >>> >> -- >> Paul Thackray >> PGT Media Consulting Ltd. >> +44 7802 243979 >> Mail;paul at pgtmedia.co.uk >> Web;http://www.pgtmedia.co.uk >> Linkedin;http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/paul-thackray/19/379/746 >> IMDB;http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1488554/ >> >> >> Virus-free. www.avast.com >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- Paul Thackray PGT Media Consulting Ltd. +44 7802 243979 Mail; paul at pgtmedia.co.uk Web; http://www.pgtmedia.co.uk Linkedin; http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/paul-thackray/19/379/746 IMDB; http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1488554/ --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On Tue, 11 Dec 2018 at 16:37, David Denness via Tech1 wrote: > You would think with that kit they could keep the dancers? feet in shot > > > > Dave D > > > > *From:* Tech1 *On Behalf Of *Alec Bray via > Tech1 > *Sent:* 11 December 2018 15:44 > *To:* TechOps Forum > *Subject:* [Tech1] S C D setup > > > > Hi all, > > > > Strictly It Takes Two had a couple of interesting shots of the set up for > Strictly: > > > > > > > > Alec > > > > -- > > > > Best Regards > > > > Alec > > > > Alec Bray > > > > alec.bray.2 at gmail.com > > mob: 07789 561 346 > > home: 0118 981 7502 > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Cheers, Dave From jpn at imixmics.co.uk Wed Dec 12 02:46:45 2018 From: jpn at imixmics.co.uk (John Nottage) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2018 08:46:45 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] S C D setup In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5ebe4651-64fc-379e-fdea-0d4507758f83@imixmics.co.uk> I thought the show was made at Elstree Studios: that looks like some proper grand dance hall in somewhere like Liverpool, with that great big arched window at the back. Do they build all that as a set at Elstree each year? John On 11/12/2018 15:43, Alec Bray via Tech1 wrote: > Hi all, > > > Strictly It Takes Two had a couple of interesting shots of the set up > for Strictly: > > > > > Alec > > > -- > > Best Regards > > Alec > > Alec Bray > > alec.bray.2 at gmail.com > mob: 07789 561 346 > home: 0118 981 7502 > > From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Wed Dec 12 02:50:02 2018 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2018 08:50:02 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] S C D setup In-Reply-To: <5ebe4651-64fc-379e-fdea-0d4507758f83@imixmics.co.uk> References: <5ebe4651-64fc-379e-fdea-0d4507758f83@imixmics.co.uk> Message-ID: Wasn't it the Tower Ballroom in Blackpool? It's a once-per-series venue! All the rest are done in Elstree. Cheers, Dave From ohbytheway.tv at gmail.com Wed Dec 12 04:02:52 2018 From: ohbytheway.tv at gmail.com (David Denness) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2018 10:02:52 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] S C D setup In-Reply-To: References: <5ebe4651-64fc-379e-fdea-0d4507758f83@imixmics.co.uk> Message-ID: <001f01d49201$d8f9d020$8aed7060$@gmail.com> It goes to Blackpool when Children In Need needs the big studio. It always happened when Strictly took place in TC1, when it was a proper TV studio and continues with Elstree now Dave D -----Original Message----- From: Tech1 On Behalf Of dave.mdv via Tech1 Sent: 12 December 2018 08:50 To: John Nottage ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] S C D setup Wasn't it the Tower Ballroom in Blackpool? It's a once-per-series venue! All the rest are done in Elstree. Cheers, Dave -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From paul at pgtmedia.co.uk Wed Dec 12 05:10:46 2018 From: paul at pgtmedia.co.uk (Paul Thackray) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2018 11:10:46 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] S C D setup In-Reply-To: <001f01d49201$d8f9d020$8aed7060$@gmail.com> References: <5ebe4651-64fc-379e-fdea-0d4507758f83@imixmics.co.uk> <001f01d49201$d8f9d020$8aed7060$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <739e287e-4fe0-797f-1e6c-91e16c13609f@pgtmedia.co.uk> This was the reason it started going to Blackpool. It also did so one year near Christmas to allow the? the Hootenanny to be recorded (Sorry have I given away that its not live on New Years Eve? Sorry to those that believe in Santa) Its no longer needed for Children in Need as CIN is in BBC Elstree D and SCD is Elstree Film Stg 2, but its become a feature of SCD to be ad Blackpool mid season. On 12/12/2018 10:02, David Denness via Tech1 wrote: > It goes to Blackpool when Children In Need needs the big studio. It always > happened when Strictly took place in TC1, when it was a proper TV studio and > continues with Elstree now > Dave D > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tech1 On Behalf Of dave.mdv via Tech1 > Sent: 12 December 2018 08:50 > To: John Nottage ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > Subject: Re: [Tech1] S C D setup > > Wasn't it the Tower Ballroom in Blackpool? It's a once-per-series venue! > All the rest are done in Elstree. Cheers, Dave > -- Paul Thackray PGT Media Consulting Ltd. +44 7802 243979 Mail; paul at pgtmedia.co.uk Web; http://www.pgtmedia.co.uk Linkedin; http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/paul-thackray/19/379/746 IMDB; http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1488554/ --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From mikej at bmanor.co.uk Wed Dec 12 08:59:52 2018 From: mikej at bmanor.co.uk (Mike Jordan) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2018 14:59:52 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] Todays little Christmas joke Message-ID: <43E9C7908A9D4D62940B6A631F61C7AD@Gigabyte> I know it is a bit off topic but one not to be missed at this time of year. >From Daily Mail unfortunately but good anyway. Mike -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From mikej at bmanor.co.uk Wed Dec 12 11:02:24 2018 From: mikej at bmanor.co.uk (Mike Jordan) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2018 17:02:24 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] About my May panto posting Message-ID: Oh Ah ? Sorry It was from the Evening Standard actually. Still amusing and I see it has now been removed from their ?start? page. Mike -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Thu Dec 13 15:17:19 2018 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2018 21:17:19 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Modern living Message-ID: When we moved into our present house in December 1973 the only heating available was two open coal fires and a smokey Raeburn in the kitchen, which also did the hot water (gravity fed) plus a sink/bath immersion heater and a 2kw. fan heater I bought in Birmingham, thanks to the ABS discount recommended by Fred Hales (ABS!) who persuaded me to join the Union to get such deals! Yesterday, my boiler developed a simple fault such that the spark generator which lights the pilot light which then ignites the main burner wouldn't stop sparking! It is supposed to detect the change in resistance between the fresh air and the flame between the electrode and earth. When I got home tonight (from my weekly put-the-the world-to-rights BBC pub meeting in Lacey Green) the house was so cold I wondered how we survived with two youngsters in 1973! The good news is that I found the problem, sorted it, and the boiler is happily working again (it's only 42 years old!). Cheers, a nice warm, Dave From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Thu Dec 13 15:38:14 2018 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2018 21:38:14 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: Modern living In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <175ada56-9794-cbef-7de4-9efe61e7f0ff@btinternet.com> This is not 'SPAM'! Thanks postman! Cheers, Dave -------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: [Tech1] Modern living Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2018 21:17:19 +0000 From: dave.mdv via Tech1 Reply-To: dave.mdv To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk, Phil , Pete , Dave , Dave When we moved into our present house in December 1973 the only heating available was two open coal fires and a smokey Raeburn in the kitchen, which also did the hot water (gravity fed) plus a sink/bath immersion heater and a 2kw. fan heater I bought in Birmingham, thanks to the ABS discount recommended by Fred Hales (ABS!) who persuaded me to join the Union to get such deals! Yesterday, my boiler developed a simple fault such that the spark generator which lights the pilot light which then ignites the main burner wouldn't stop sparking! It is supposed to detect the change in resistance between the fresh air and the flame between the electrode and earth. When I got home tonight (from my weekly put-the-the world-to-rights BBC pub meeting in Lacey Green) the house was so cold I wondered how we survived with two youngsters in 1973! The good news is that I found the problem, sorted it, and the boiler is happily working again (it's only 42 years old!). Cheers, a nice warm, Dave -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From ken_webb at btinternet.com Fri Dec 14 04:13:08 2018 From: ken_webb at btinternet.com (Ken) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2018 10:13:08 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Kingston disorganised Message-ID: <87BB397B-4059-4E29-BF69-677382F2FE8E@btinternet.com> Thanks to you all for turning up!! Since it was my first time, I was quite nervous to tell the truth!! Hope you all had a good time. I?ll liaise with Bernie and disorganise one soon, if people are happy with the venue. Incidentally, does anyone has any contact details for John Longley cameraman and/or Sue Thorne vision mixer? Ken Webb From johnhcox at gmail.com Fri Dec 14 05:42:01 2018 From: johnhcox at gmail.com (John Cox) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2018 11:42:01 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Tel OBs Reunion Message-ID: <5c13970e.1c69fb81.f62eb.1186@mx.google.com> On Sunday the 2nd of December 2018 nearly 140 Tel OB former members and friends gathered at the London Welsh Rugby Club in Richmond with a view of the great Pagoda in Kew Gardens organized by Dave Hume. The event has been held every year since 1987 It was first held at Kendal Avenue organized by Alan Woolford and for years by Ron Chown at K A and Television Centre. Since then Dave has been organizing it. I have only missed two meetings. The meeting starts very quietly rising to a noisy crescendo at three o?clock when there is no point in talking because you can?t hear what the other person is saying to almost silence at five o?clock. There was one exception this year. You could still hear John Pilblad, you would not know that he was to have a serious operation in a few days time. He has had that procedure and is recovering well, we wish you a speedy recovery John. Among former engineers appearing was Brian Summers who brought with him some vision gear and a Barron Box, a three wire communicating device using a telephone and talkback invented by Mr Barron in the 1940s for the use of commentators, how many times have I heard Producers shouting ?don?t answer me back? to the commentator? Who would have been live on air! Brian is the owner of the old Black and White scanner MCR21. On Monday my son took me to Camberley the home of Mr Summers. Sure enough as Nick Gilbey says there was MCR21 in the driveway. It is now painted blue for protection. The video gear was removed before Brian owned it but all the sound pieces are there as it was in the 1960s. Brian is gradually restoring the monitors and vision equipment as and when they become available and with the help of others try to recreate the scanner as it was, and use it to educate young people to the way WE made programmes. The rather exciting story in the October edition of Prospero is not quite correct, the editor was obviously looking for a paragraph to sell the story, it is true other scanners have been sent to Africa but not this one. You can find MCR21 on the web at mcr21.org.uk Sent from Mail -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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No - but I can do you a deal on MegaSquirt. ;-) The V8 forum is where I'd look - even if not a V8. Do a search on the carb - lots of stuff about setting them up. Goes right over my head. https://www.v8forum.co.uk -- *Why do overlook and oversee mean opposite things? * Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk Fri Dec 14 11:28:01 2018 From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2018 17:28:01 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] car stuff In-Reply-To: <57665d7491dave@davesound.co.uk> References: <5df64c82-95b6-398d-60c1-6bba63291fce@gmail.com> <57665d7491dave@davesound.co.uk> Message-ID: One short glance does reveal why the entire concept of the carburettor has been sensibly swept into the history books, along with distributors and the like. While they are splendid pieces of mechanical engineering, the thought that a "carb" can reliably provide an optimum fuel/air mix over a range of revs and loads, is a practical impossibility, even if the ingenuity of designers was wonderful to behold. It is perhaps significant that the devices really only have a useful place (beyond vintage cars) in small fixed speed engines such as lawnmowers and chainsaws. But they were fun to fiddle with... Chris Woolf On 14/12/2018 16:59, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: > In article <5df64c82-95b6-398d-60c1-6bba63291fce at gmail.com>, > Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: >> Is anyone any good with Edelbrock carburettors? > No - but I can do you a deal on MegaSquirt. ;-) > > The V8 forum is where I'd look - even if not a V8. Do a search on the carb > - lots of stuff about setting them up. Goes right over my head. > > https://www.v8forum.co.uk > --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From bernie833 at gmail.com Fri Dec 14 12:03:04 2018 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2018 18:03:04 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] car stuff In-Reply-To: References: <5df64c82-95b6-398d-60c1-6bba63291fce@gmail.com> <57665d7491dave@davesound.co.uk> Message-ID: The thing is - if people knew you owned a Cobra with fuel injection they'd laugh at you. You have to have a V8 with a four port carb otherwise you're a sissy. My problem is that the car has been siting around for some time. It will start - just about - but dies when you press the accelerator. I've cleaned the idle jets with compressed air, but it looks like I have to take it apart now. I can do that but I don't know what to look out for.? One of those things where experience is all. So tomorrow I'll take my Torx screwdriver and undo the eight screws and hope it's something obvious. B On 14/12/2018 17:28, Chris Woolf via Tech1 wrote: > One short glance does reveal why the entire concept of the carburettor > has been sensibly swept into the history books, along with > distributors and the like. > > While they are splendid pieces of mechanical engineering, the thought > that a "carb" can reliably provide an optimum fuel/air mix over a > range of revs and loads, is a practical impossibility, even if the > ingenuity of designers was wonderful to behold. > > It is perhaps significant that the devices really only have a useful > place (beyond vintage cars) in small fixed speed engines such as > lawnmowers and chainsaws. > > But they were fun to fiddle with... > > Chris Woolf > > > On 14/12/2018 16:59, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: >> In article <5df64c82-95b6-398d-60c1-6bba63291fce at gmail.com>, >> ??? Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: >>> Is anyone any good with Edelbrock carburettors? >> No - but I can do you a deal on MegaSquirt. ;-) >> >> The V8 forum is where I'd look - even if not a V8. Do a search on the >> carb >> - lots of stuff about setting them up. Goes right over my head. >> >> https://www.v8forum.co.uk >> > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: occikdfchegjklao.png Type: image/png Size: 765574 bytes Desc: not available URL: From geoffletch at gmail.com Fri Dec 14 15:05:37 2018 From: geoffletch at gmail.com (Geoff Fletcher) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2018 21:05:37 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] car stuff In-Reply-To: References: <5df64c82-95b6-398d-60c1-6bba63291fce@gmail.com> <57665d7491dave@davesound.co.uk> Message-ID: When I think back to my BBC days in the 1960s I am amazed to remember all the car maintainence we used to do. Tech Ops was like a superb club - if you needed a special tool like a hub puller, then someone would have it and lend it to you. If you needed advice- it was always available, ditto a helping hand with something big like an engine change. I can hardly believe that back then I could tune twin carbs, change big and little ends and fit piston rings, do a decoke, grind in new valves, bleed brakes and so on and so on. Ian Stanton was my usual motor mechanics go-to guy. He was always about to build or building a Ginetta - I wonder if he finished it ever? Geoff F On Fri, 14 Dec 2018 at 18:03, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 < tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote: > The thing is - if people knew you owned a Cobra with fuel injection they'd > laugh at you. You have to have a V8 with a four port carb otherwise you're > a sissy. > > My problem is that the car has been siting around for some time. It will > start - just about - but dies when you press the accelerator. I've cleaned > the idle jets with compressed air, but it looks like I have to take it > apart now. I can do that but I don't know what to look out for. One of > those things where experience is all. So tomorrow I'll take my Torx > screwdriver and undo the eight screws and hope it's something obvious. > > B > > > > On 14/12/2018 17:28, Chris Woolf via Tech1 wrote: > > One short glance does reveal why the entire concept of the carburettor has > been sensibly swept into the history books, along with distributors and the > like. > > While they are splendid pieces of mechanical engineering, the thought that > a "carb" can reliably provide an optimum fuel/air mix over a range of revs > and loads, is a practical impossibility, even if the ingenuity of designers > was wonderful to behold. > > It is perhaps significant that the devices really only have a useful place > (beyond vintage cars) in small fixed speed engines such as lawnmowers and > chainsaws. > > But they were fun to fiddle with... > > Chris Woolf > > > On 14/12/2018 16:59, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: > > In article <5df64c82-95b6-398d-60c1-6bba63291fce at gmail.com> > <5df64c82-95b6-398d-60c1-6bba63291fce at gmail.com>, > Bernard Newnham via Tech1 > wrote: > > Is anyone any good with Edelbrock carburettors? > > No - but I can do you a deal on MegaSquirt. ;-) > > The V8 forum is where I'd look - even if not a V8. Do a search on the carb > - lots of stuff about setting them up. Goes right over my head. > > https://www.v8forum.co.uk > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: occikdfchegjklao.png Type: image/png Size: 765574 bytes Desc: not available URL: From geoffletch at gmail.com Fri Dec 14 15:07:26 2018 From: geoffletch at gmail.com (Geoff Fletcher) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2018 21:07:26 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] car stuff In-Reply-To: References: <5df64c82-95b6-398d-60c1-6bba63291fce@gmail.com> <57665d7491dave@davesound.co.uk> Message-ID: IAN STANYON that should have read - not Stanton. G On Fri, 14 Dec 2018 at 21:05, Geoff Fletcher wrote: > When I think back to my BBC days in the 1960s I am amazed to remember all > the car maintainence we used to do. Tech Ops was like a superb club - if > you needed a special tool like a hub puller, then someone would have it and > lend it to you. If you needed advice- it was always available, ditto a > helping hand with something big like an engine change. I can hardly believe > that back then I could tune twin carbs, change big and little ends and fit > piston rings, do a decoke, grind in new valves, bleed brakes and so on and > so on. > Ian Stanton was my usual motor mechanics go-to guy. He was always about to > build or building a Ginetta - I wonder if he finished it ever? > Geoff F > > On Fri, 14 Dec 2018 at 18:03, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 < > tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote: > >> The thing is - if people knew you owned a Cobra with fuel injection >> they'd laugh at you. You have to have a V8 with a four port carb otherwise >> you're a sissy. >> >> My problem is that the car has been siting around for some time. It will >> start - just about - but dies when you press the accelerator. I've cleaned >> the idle jets with compressed air, but it looks like I have to take it >> apart now. I can do that but I don't know what to look out for. One of >> those things where experience is all. So tomorrow I'll take my Torx >> screwdriver and undo the eight screws and hope it's something obvious. >> >> B >> >> >> >> On 14/12/2018 17:28, Chris Woolf via Tech1 wrote: >> >> One short glance does reveal why the entire concept of the carburettor >> has been sensibly swept into the history books, along with distributors and >> the like. >> >> While they are splendid pieces of mechanical engineering, the thought >> that a "carb" can reliably provide an optimum fuel/air mix over a range of >> revs and loads, is a practical impossibility, even if the ingenuity of >> designers was wonderful to behold. >> >> It is perhaps significant that the devices really only have a useful >> place (beyond vintage cars) in small fixed speed engines such as lawnmowers >> and chainsaws. >> >> But they were fun to fiddle with... >> >> Chris Woolf >> >> >> On 14/12/2018 16:59, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: >> >> In article <5df64c82-95b6-398d-60c1-6bba63291fce at gmail.com> >> <5df64c82-95b6-398d-60c1-6bba63291fce at gmail.com>, >> Bernard Newnham via Tech1 >> wrote: >> >> Is anyone any good with Edelbrock carburettors? >> >> No - but I can do you a deal on MegaSquirt. ;-) >> >> The V8 forum is where I'd look - even if not a V8. Do a search on the >> carb >> - lots of stuff about setting them up. Goes right over my head. >> >> https://www.v8forum.co.uk >> >> >> --- >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >> >> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Dave LeB From: Bernard Newnham via Tech1 Sent: Friday, December 14, 2018 6:03 PM To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Cc: Bernard Newnham Subject: Re: [Tech1] car stuff The thing is - if people knew you owned a Cobra with fuel injection they'd laugh at you. You have to have a V8 with a four port carb otherwise you're a sissy. My problem is that the car has been siting around for some time. It will start - just about - but dies when you press the accelerator. I've cleaned the idle jets with compressed air, but it looks like I have to take it apart now. I can do that but I don't know what to look out for. One of those things where experience is all. So tomorrow I'll take my Torx screwdriver and undo the eight screws and hope it's something obvious. B On 14/12/2018 17:28, Chris Woolf via Tech1 wrote: One short glance does reveal why the entire concept of the carburettor has been sensibly swept into the history books, along with distributors and the like. While they are splendid pieces of mechanical engineering, the thought that a "carb" can reliably provide an optimum fuel/air mix over a range of revs and loads, is a practical impossibility, even if the ingenuity of designers was wonderful to behold. It is perhaps significant that the devices really only have a useful place (beyond vintage cars) in small fixed speed engines such as lawnmowers and chainsaws. But they were fun to fiddle with... Chris Woolf On 14/12/2018 16:59, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: In article mailto:5df64c82-95b6-398d-60c1-6bba63291fce at gmail.com, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk wrote: Is anyone any good with Edelbrock carburettors? No - but I can do you a deal on MegaSquirt. ;-) The V8 forum is where I'd look - even if not a V8. Do a search on the carb - lots of stuff about setting them up. Goes right over my head. https://www.v8forum.co.uk --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: occikdfchegjklao.png Type: image/png Size: 765574 bytes Desc: not available URL: From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net Fri Dec 14 15:51:51 2018 From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2018 21:51:51 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] car stuff In-Reply-To: References: <5df64c82-95b6-398d-60c1-6bba63291fce@gmail.com><57665d7491dave@davesound.co.uk> Message-ID: <8E0EF781FD9B4C738AC01CE0C1A19E60@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> Wasn?t just cars was it Geoff! The 60?s also saw many tech ops lads boning up on plumbing and installing their own central heating. Seem to remember Dickie Chamberlain was one of the pioneers ? he had a serious pipe-bender (a Hilmor if memory serves) which was a heavy duty stand mounted affair. I?m sure I wasn?t the only one to benefit from it but have to concede that it was Al Tuson who came round to show me how to get to grips with it. My job needed a wiped lead joint to adapt to modern copper and Al did that to my undying admiration. What a guy! Dave Newbitt. From: Geoff Fletcher via Tech1 Sent: Friday, December 14, 2018 9:05 PM To: bernard.newnham at ntlworld.com Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] car stuff When I think back to my BBC days in the 1960s I am amazed to remember all the car maintainence we used to do. Tech Ops was like a superb club - if you needed a special tool like a hub puller, then someone would have it and lend it to you. If you needed advice- it was always available, ditto a helping hand with something big like an engine change. I can hardly believe that back then I could tune twin carbs, change big and little ends and fit piston rings, do a decoke, grind in new valves, bleed brakes and so on and so on. Ian Stanton was my usual motor mechanics go-to guy. He was always about to build or building a Ginetta - I wonder if he finished it ever? Geoff F On Fri, 14 Dec 2018 at 18:03, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: The thing is - if people knew you owned a Cobra with fuel injection they'd laugh at you. You have to have a V8 with a four port carb otherwise you're a sissy. My problem is that the car has been siting around for some time. It will start - just about - but dies when you press the accelerator. I've cleaned the idle jets with compressed air, but it looks like I have to take it apart now. I can do that but I don't know what to look out for. One of those things where experience is all. So tomorrow I'll take my Torx screwdriver and undo the eight screws and hope it's something obvious. B On 14/12/2018 17:28, Chris Woolf via Tech1 wrote: One short glance does reveal why the entire concept of the carburettor has been sensibly swept into the history books, along with distributors and the like. While they are splendid pieces of mechanical engineering, the thought that a "carb" can reliably provide an optimum fuel/air mix over a range of revs and loads, is a practical impossibility, even if the ingenuity of designers was wonderful to behold. It is perhaps significant that the devices really only have a useful place (beyond vintage cars) in small fixed speed engines such as lawnmowers and chainsaws. But they were fun to fiddle with... Chris Woolf On 14/12/2018 16:59, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: In article mailto:5df64c82-95b6-398d-60c1-6bba63291fce at gmail.com, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk wrote: Is anyone any good with Edelbrock carburettors? No - but I can do you a deal on MegaSquirt. ;-) The V8 forum is where I'd look - even if not a V8. Do a search on the carb - lots of stuff about setting them up. Goes right over my head. https://www.v8forum.co.uk --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Geoff On Fri, 14 Dec 2018 at 21:52, David Newbitt wrote: > Wasn?t just cars was it Geoff! The 60?s also saw many tech ops lads boning > up on plumbing and installing their own central heating. Seem to remember > Dickie Chamberlain was one of the pioneers ? he had a serious pipe-bender > (a Hilmor if memory serves) which was a heavy duty stand mounted affair. > I?m sure I wasn?t the only one to benefit from it but have to concede that > it was Al Tuson who came round to show me how to get to grips with it. My > job needed a wiped lead joint to adapt to modern copper and Al did that to > my undying admiration. What a guy! > > Dave Newbitt. > > *From:* Geoff Fletcher via Tech1 > *Sent:* Friday, December 14, 2018 9:05 PM > *To:* bernard.newnham at ntlworld.com > *Cc:* tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > *Subject:* Re: [Tech1] car stuff > > When I think back to my BBC days in the 1960s I am amazed to remember all > the car maintainence we used to do. Tech Ops was like a superb club - if > you needed a special tool like a hub puller, then someone would have it and > lend it to you. If you needed advice- it was always available, ditto a > helping hand with something big like an engine change. I can hardly believe > that back then I could tune twin carbs, change big and little ends and fit > piston rings, do a decoke, grind in new valves, bleed brakes and so on and > so on. > Ian Stanton was my usual motor mechanics go-to guy. He was always about to > build or building a Ginetta - I wonder if he finished it ever? > Geoff F > > On Fri, 14 Dec 2018 at 18:03, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 < > tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote: > >> The thing is - if people knew you owned a Cobra with fuel injection >> they'd laugh at you. You have to have a V8 with a four port carb otherwise >> you're a sissy. >> >> My problem is that the car has been siting around for some time. It will >> start - just about - but dies when you press the accelerator. I've cleaned >> the idle jets with compressed air, but it looks like I have to take it >> apart now. I can do that but I don't know what to look out for. One of >> those things where experience is all. So tomorrow I'll take my Torx >> screwdriver and undo the eight screws and hope it's something obvious. >> >> B >> >> >> >> On 14/12/2018 17:28, Chris Woolf via Tech1 wrote: >> >> One short glance does reveal why the entire concept of the carburettor >> has been sensibly swept into the history books, along with distributors and >> the like. >> >> While they are splendid pieces of mechanical engineering, the thought >> that a "carb" can reliably provide an optimum fuel/air mix over a range of >> revs and loads, is a practical impossibility, even if the ingenuity of >> designers was wonderful to behold. >> >> It is perhaps significant that the devices really only have a useful >> place (beyond vintage cars) in small fixed speed engines such as lawnmowers >> and chainsaws. >> >> But they were fun to fiddle with... >> >> Chris Woolf >> >> >> On 14/12/2018 16:59, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: >> >> In article mailto:5df64c82-95b6-398d-60c1-6bba63291fce at gmail.com, >> >> Bernard Newnham via Tech1 mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk wrote: >> >> Is anyone any good with Edelbrock carburettors? >> >> No - but I can do you a deal on MegaSquirt. ;-) >> >> The V8 forum is where I'd look - even if not a V8. 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URL: From dave at davesound.co.uk Fri Dec 14 18:12:23 2018 From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2018 00:12:23 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Tech1] car stuff In-Reply-To: References: <5df64c82-95b6-398d-60c1-6bba63291fce@gmail.com> <57665d7491dave@davesound.co.uk> Message-ID: <5766851c81dave@davesound.co.uk> In article , Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: > The thing is - if people knew you owned a Cobra with fuel injection > they'd laugh at you. You have to have a V8 with a four port carb > otherwise you're a sissy. Is it a real Cobra, then? -- *Why is the third hand on the watch called a second hand? Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From jpn at imixmics.co.uk Sat Dec 15 02:32:07 2018 From: jpn at imixmics.co.uk (John Nottage) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2018 08:32:07 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] car stuff In-Reply-To: <5766851c81dave@davesound.co.uk> References: <5df64c82-95b6-398d-60c1-6bba63291fce@gmail.com> <57665d7491dave@davesound.co.uk> <5766851c81dave@davesound.co.uk> Message-ID: <57485c2e-76e4-241d-fdb3-0719992ad85a@imixmics.co.uk> I seem to remember it was a chap called Dave Plowman who fitted a recon engine in my Austin A30 back in 1966. I'd paid ?60 for the car in Jan that year & Dave charged me about the same amount for supplying & fitting the engine, then I sold the car for ?60 in 1967! My other main memory of that car were the terrible mechanical drum brakes & mechanical clutch - no hydraulics anywhere! Anyway, thanks to Dave, I got a good year's use out of it. John On 15/12/2018 00:12, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: > In article , > Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: >> The thing is - if people knew you owned a Cobra with fuel injection >> they'd laugh at you. You have to have a V8 with a four port carb >> otherwise you're a sissy. > > Is it a real Cobra, then? > From hughsheppard at btinternet.com Sat Dec 15 03:24:27 2018 From: hughsheppard at btinternet.com (Hugh Sheppard) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2018 09:24:27 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] car stuff In-Reply-To: <57485c2e-76e4-241d-fdb3-0719992ad85a@imixmics.co.uk> References: <5df64c82-95b6-398d-60c1-6bba63291fce@gmail.com> <57665d7491dave@davesound.co.uk> <5766851c81dave@davesound.co.uk> <57485c2e-76e4-241d-fdb3-0719992ad85a@imixmics.co.uk> Message-ID: <604d3795-1870-593b-1c88-d1d5defe532c@btinternet.com> If the A30 was a BBC buy, I wonder if it was the one into which 5 of us crammed for the Evesham run in the winter of 1958-9? I can't recall who owned it, but those journeys helped me decide to purchase a 1953 Vespa. Two and a half hours frozen to the seat at 32 mph max was somehow preferable. Hugh On 15-Dec-18 8:32 AM, John Nottage via Tech1 wrote: > I seem to remember it was a chap called Dave Plowman who fitted a > recon engine in my Austin A30 back in 1966. I'd paid ?60 for the car > in Jan that year & Dave charged me about the same amount for supplying > & fitting the engine, then I sold the car for ?60 in 1967! My other > main memory of that car were the terrible mechanical drum brakes & > mechanical clutch - no hydraulics anywhere! > > Anyway, thanks to Dave, I got a good year's use out of it. > > John > > On 15/12/2018 00:12, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: >> In article , >> ??? Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: >>> The thing is - if people knew you owned a Cobra with fuel injection >>> they'd laugh at you. You have to have a V8 with a four port carb >>> otherwise you're a sissy. >> >> Is it a real Cobra, then? >> > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bernie833 at gmail.com Sat Dec 15 03:52:32 2018 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2018 09:52:32 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] car stuff In-Reply-To: <5766851c81dave@davesound.co.uk> References: <5df64c82-95b6-398d-60c1-6bba63291fce@gmail.com> <57665d7491dave@davesound.co.uk> <5766851c81dave@davesound.co.uk> Message-ID: <06a3e01a-759f-3ff4-d02f-db744ecf8017@ntlworld.com> On 15/12/2018 00:12, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: > Is it a real Cobra, then? > It's one of these - https://www.pilgrim-motorsports.co.uk/??? Real ones cost a very large amount of money - pretend ones have much more modern works and have to pass fancy tests, so are rather safer.? I always promised myself that when I left the BBC I'd build an aeroplane, and actually visited a couple of factories. But when it came to it I realised that though I could build the thing - and it would have been much easier - I'd have nowhere to keep it that wasn't going to cost a lot. So I built a car instead.? It's only done about 1200 miles because I prefer to drive my climate controlled - automatic - auto everything - Toyota estate, but has its moments. I have a date with a Torx screwdriver this afternoon...... B -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: bbkcfmpdolmkijep.png Type: image/png Size: 216689 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: gfehnabfnmladpfk.png Type: image/png Size: 938943 bytes Desc: not available URL: From jpn at imixmics.co.uk Sat Dec 15 04:00:56 2018 From: jpn at imixmics.co.uk (John Nottage) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2018 10:00:56 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] car stuff In-Reply-To: <604d3795-1870-593b-1c88-d1d5defe532c@btinternet.com> References: <5df64c82-95b6-398d-60c1-6bba63291fce@gmail.com> <57665d7491dave@davesound.co.uk> <5766851c81dave@davesound.co.uk> <57485c2e-76e4-241d-fdb3-0719992ad85a@imixmics.co.uk> <604d3795-1870-593b-1c88-d1d5defe532c@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <0924d19a-0ee2-1456-f075-5c5f873eba32@imixmics.co.uk> Not BBC - I bought it just before I joined: it got me to & from Evesham for TO25. It's my only car where I don't have a record of the reg number, having thrown away too many of my old B & W photos! John On 15/12/2018 09:24, Hugh Sheppard wrote: > If the A30 was a BBC buy, I wonder if it was the one into which 5 of us > crammed for the Evesham run in the winter of 1958-9? I can't recall who > owned it, but those journeys helped me decide to purchase a 1953 Vespa. > Two and a half hours frozen to the seat at 32 mph max was somehow > preferable. > > Hugh > > > On 15-Dec-18 8:32 AM, John Nottage via Tech1 wrote: >> I seem to remember it was a chap called Dave Plowman who fitted a >> recon engine in my Austin A30 back in 1966. I'd paid ?60 for the car >> in Jan that year & Dave charged me about the same amount for supplying >> & fitting the engine, then I sold the car for ?60 in 1967! My other >> main memory of that car were the terrible mechanical drum brakes & >> mechanical clutch - no hydraulics anywhere! >> >> Anyway, thanks to Dave, I got a good year's use out of it. >> >> John >> >> On 15/12/2018 00:12, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: >>> In article , >>> ??? Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: >>>> The thing is - if people knew you owned a Cobra with fuel injection >>>> they'd laugh at you. You have to have a V8 with a four port carb >>>> otherwise you're a sissy. >>> >>> Is it a real Cobra, then? >>> >> >> > From dave at davesound.co.uk Sat Dec 15 05:21:06 2018 From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2018 11:21:06 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Tech1] car stuff In-Reply-To: <06a3e01a-759f-3ff4-d02f-db744ecf8017@ntlworld.com> References: <5df64c82-95b6-398d-60c1-6bba63291fce@gmail.com> <57665d7491dave@davesound.co.uk> <5766851c81dave@davesound.co.uk> <06a3e01a-759f-3ff4-d02f-db744ecf8017@ntlworld.com> Message-ID: <5766c253b8dave@davesound.co.uk> After retiring, I changed my nice comfortable auto everything BMW saloon for a Porsche Boxster. Which I use every day. A very good move with the summer we've just had. But still OK in this cold weather - although the heater does take ages to get up to speed. When anyone asks why, I say it's my third childhood. ;-) In article <06a3e01a-759f-3ff4-d02f-db744ecf8017 at ntlworld.com>, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: > On 15/12/2018 00:12, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: > > Is it a real Cobra, then? > > > It's one of these - https://www.pilgrim-motorsports.co.uk/ Real ones > cost a very large amount of money - pretend ones have much more modern > works and have to pass fancy tests, so are rather safer. I always > promised myself that when I left the BBC I'd build an aeroplane, and > actually visited a couple of factories. But when it came to it I > realised that though I could build the thing - and it would have been > much easier - I'd have nowhere to keep it that wasn't going to cost a > lot. So I built a car instead. It's only done about 1200 miles because > I prefer to drive my climate controlled - automatic - auto everything - > Toyota estate, but has its moments. > I have a date with a Torx screwdriver this afternoon...... > B > --------------EAA0564A7994414F41537566 > Content-Type: multipart/related; > boundary="------------ECDE8D0D8C47F61260B2FD54" -- *Procrastinate now Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From dave at davesound.co.uk Sat Dec 15 05:22:26 2018 From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2018 11:22:26 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Tech1] car stuff In-Reply-To: <0924d19a-0ee2-1456-f075-5c5f873eba32@imixmics.co.uk> References: <5df64c82-95b6-398d-60c1-6bba63291fce@gmail.com> <57665d7491dave@davesound.co.uk> <5766851c81dave@davesound.co.uk> <57485c2e-76e4-241d-fdb3-0719992ad85a@imixmics.co.uk> <604d3795-1870-593b-1c88-d1d5defe532c@btinternet.com> <0924d19a-0ee2-1456-f075-5c5f873eba32@imixmics.co.uk> Message-ID: <5766c274c9dave@davesound.co.uk> I also remember it as being in very good condition indeed, once the engine was done. Not the usual rusty wreck so many of us drove. ;-) In article <0924d19a-0ee2-1456-f075-5c5f873eba32 at imixmics.co.uk>, John Nottage via Tech1 wrote: > Not BBC - I bought it just before I joined: it got me to & from Evesham > for TO25. It's my only car where I don't have a record of the reg > number, having thrown away too many of my old B & W photos! -- *I don't have a solution, but I admire your problem. * Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From dave at davesound.co.uk Sat Dec 15 05:16:03 2018 From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2018 11:16:03 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Tech1] car stuff In-Reply-To: <57485c2e-76e4-241d-fdb3-0719992ad85a@imixmics.co.uk> References: <5df64c82-95b6-398d-60c1-6bba63291fce@gmail.com> <57665d7491dave@davesound.co.uk> <5766851c81dave@davesound.co.uk> <57485c2e-76e4-241d-fdb3-0719992ad85a@imixmics.co.uk> Message-ID: <5766c1df36dave@davesound.co.uk> Just to be clear, I didn't supply a re-con engine, John. I stripped your original, and sent the bits off for a re-bore and crank grind. Overhauled the cylinder head, and re-assembled the lot. Engine was then pretty well good as new. Great fun. The last car I've done a full engine overhaul on was also an Austin - and 1800. Modern cars simply don't wear out engine wise as quickly, and may go to the scrapyard with the original engine. In article <57485c2e-76e4-241d-fdb3-0719992ad85a at imixmics.co.uk>, John Nottage via Tech1 wrote: > I seem to remember it was a chap called Dave Plowman who fitted a recon > engine in my Austin A30 back in 1966. I'd paid ?60 for the car in Jan > that year & Dave charged me about the same amount for supplying & > fitting the engine, then I sold the car for ?60 in 1967! My other main > memory of that car were the terrible mechanical drum brakes & mechanical > clutch - no hydraulics anywhere! > Anyway, thanks to Dave, I got a good year's use out of it. -- *I wished the buck stopped here, as I could use a few* Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Sat Dec 15 08:15:16 2018 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2018 14:15:16 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Pipe bending In-Reply-To: References: <5df64c82-95b6-398d-60c1-6bba63291fce@gmail.com> <57665d7491dave@davesound.co.uk> <8E0EF781FD9B4C738AC01CE0C1A19E60@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> Message-ID: <21772ce0-6719-3bfa-5767-b7c2c99fb313@btinternet.com> How grateful I was for Dickie Chamberlain's pipe bender! When started to install my central heating in 1975 I got lots of good advice from Larry Goodson, who used to help his brother installing systems in his local area. All the bends in my system were done using the pipe bender, very few were actual fittings. The only problem was that the pipe bender was for Imperial tubing whereas I was installing Metric! The way round it, in a typical Dickie way, was to use short lengths of carpet edging (aluminium) - 1 for 15mm., 2 for 22mm., and 3 for 25mm.! Anyway, it's all been running since 1976 with the same boiler and no leaks! Cheers, Dave From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk Sat Dec 15 08:35:39 2018 From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2018 14:35:39 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] car stuff In-Reply-To: References: <5df64c82-95b6-398d-60c1-6bba63291fce@gmail.com> <57665d7491dave@davesound.co.uk> Message-ID: <566ef3d0-1d82-b04b-9a4f-2e30a98a52d5@chriswoolf.co.uk> On 14/12/2018 18:03, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: > The thing is - if people knew you owned a Cobra with fuel injection > they'd laugh at you. You have to have a V8 with a four port carb > otherwise you're a sissy. > > My problem is that the car has been siting around for some time. It > will start - just about - but dies when you press the accelerator. ... Speaking as a confirmed sissy with deep regard for fuel efficiency;} ... what you describe sounds more like condensation in the fuels line - pretty common if the engine hasn't run for a while. Maybe teaching a non-sissy to suck oeufs, but have you pumped fuel through a disconnected supply pipe and then retried? Chris Woolf --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jabberment at louisbarfe.com Sat Dec 15 08:46:00 2018 From: jabberment at louisbarfe.com (Louis Barfe) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2018 14:46:00 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Ken Dodd Message-ID: Dear all, I'm currently writing a book about Ken Dodd, due for publication in time for next Christmas. I know a fair few of you will have worked on his BBC TV shows, and other programmes where he was a guest. If you have any stories that you think I'd find useful, I'd love to hear from you. I already have a lovely story from Paul Kay about the recording lines going down on a 'Ken Dodd Show' OB from Ardwick Hippodrome and Albert Stevenson having to fill for 40 minutes while it was fixed, a feat worthy of the star himself. The NDO had a trophy made and given to Albert commemorating the event. Many thanks, Louis -- --------------------------------------------------- Some people draw conclusions like curtains. --------------------------------------------------- Louis Barfe - http://cheeseford.net From bernie833 at gmail.com Sat Dec 15 08:57:45 2018 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2018 14:57:45 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Pipe bending In-Reply-To: <21772ce0-6719-3bfa-5767-b7c2c99fb313@btinternet.com> References: <5df64c82-95b6-398d-60c1-6bba63291fce@gmail.com> <57665d7491dave@davesound.co.uk> <8E0EF781FD9B4C738AC01CE0C1A19E60@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> <21772ce0-6719-3bfa-5767-b7c2c99fb313@btinternet.com> Message-ID: Is "same boiler" a good thing? On Sat, 15 Dec 2018, 14:15 dave.mdv via Tech1 How grateful I was for Dickie Chamberlain's pipe bender! When started to > install my central heating in 1975 I got lots of good advice from Larry > Goodson, who used to help his brother installing systems in his local > area. All the bends in my system were done using the pipe bender, very > few were actual fittings. The only problem was that the pipe bender was > for Imperial tubing whereas I was installing Metric! The way round it, > in a typical Dickie way, was to use short lengths of carpet edging > (aluminium) - 1 for 15mm., 2 for 22mm., and 3 for 25mm.! Anyway, it's > all been running since 1976 with the same boiler and no leaks! Cheers, Dave > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Sat Dec 15 09:15:16 2018 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2018 15:15:16 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Pipe bending In-Reply-To: References: <5df64c82-95b6-398d-60c1-6bba63291fce@gmail.com> <57665d7491dave@davesound.co.uk> <8E0EF781FD9B4C738AC01CE0C1A19E60@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> <21772ce0-6719-3bfa-5767-b7c2c99fb313@btinternet.com> Message-ID: From my point of view, yes! The thought of trying to unsolder all those 28mm. joints in the ceiling space is not attractive! I know modern boilers are more efficient but they wouldn't last 42 years (I'm reliably informed by various plumbing news groups!) and at over ?1000 they aren't cheap, plus I doubt whether I live long enough to get the full benefit of changing it! (like solar panels!). Cheers, Dave. From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk Sat Dec 15 09:26:00 2018 From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2018 15:26:00 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] car stuff In-Reply-To: <566ef3d0-1d82-b04b-9a4f-2e30a98a52d5@chriswoolf.co.uk> References: <5df64c82-95b6-398d-60c1-6bba63291fce@gmail.com> <57665d7491dave@davesound.co.uk> <566ef3d0-1d82-b04b-9a4f-2e30a98a52d5@chriswoolf.co.uk> Message-ID: ... and just been looking at the adjustment procedure for an Edelbrock... Everything in inches of mercury, pounds per square inch, and all sorts of quaint measurements - wonderful stuff! All the settings infinitely b***erable. What amused me most was that it was all achieved without ever actually looking at what was coming out of the exhaust. How does that square with MOTs? Chris Woolf On 15/12/2018 14:35, Chris Woolf via Tech1 wrote: > > > On 14/12/2018 18:03, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: >> The thing is - if people knew you owned a Cobra with fuel injection >> they'd laugh at you. 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URL: From nick at nickway.co.uk Sat Dec 15 10:58:17 2018 From: nick at nickway.co.uk (Nick Way) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2018 16:58:17 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Ken Dodd In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Louis, I'll be in touch. John Hays may remember... but it was a long time ago! Cheers Nick Way Apologies for brevity - it's sent from a telephone... ---- Louis Barfe via Tech1 wrote ---- >Dear all, > >I'm currently writing a book about Ken Dodd, due for publication in time >for next Christmas. I know a fair few of you will have worked on his BBC >TV shows, and other programmes where he was a guest. If you have any >stories that you think I'd find useful, I'd love to hear from you. > >I already have a lovely story from Paul Kay about the recording lines >going down on a 'Ken Dodd Show' OB from Ardwick Hippodrome and Albert >Stevenson having to fill for 40 minutes while it was fixed, a feat >worthy of the star himself. The NDO had a trophy made and given to >Albert commemorating the event. > >Many thanks, >Louis >-- >--------------------------------------------------- >Some people draw conclusions like curtains. >--------------------------------------------------- >Louis Barfe - http://cheeseford.net > >-- >Tech1 mailing list >Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave at davesound.co.uk Sat Dec 15 10:59:32 2018 From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2018 16:59:32 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Tech1] car stuff In-Reply-To: References: <5df64c82-95b6-398d-60c1-6bba63291fce@gmail.com> <57665d7491dave@davesound.co.uk> <566ef3d0-1d82-b04b-9a4f-2e30a98a52d5@chriswoolf.co.uk> Message-ID: <5766e1515ddave@davesound.co.uk> In article , Chris Woolf via Tech1 wrote: > ... and just been looking at the adjustment procedure for an Edelbrock... > Everything in inches of mercury, pounds per square inch, and all sorts > of quaint measurements - wonderful stuff! American, innit? > All the settings infinitely > b***erable. What amused me most was that it was all achieved without > ever actually looking at what was coming out of the exhaust. Assuming correct ignition timing, if you set the idle mixture for the best steady speed, it will be good enough to pass the emissions regs for an old car. They are actually quite generous. On my 85 Rover, I'm allowed up to 4.5% CO, but it idles happily at 1.5%. > How does that square with MOTs? I'd certainly fit a wideband O2 sensor system to the exhaust. Takes much of the guessing out of tuning. -- *Where there's a will, I want to be in it. Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From peter.fox at tiscali.co.uk Sat Dec 15 11:19:55 2018 From: peter.fox at tiscali.co.uk (Peter Fox) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2018 17:19:55 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] car stuff In-Reply-To: <566ef3d0-1d82-b04b-9a4f-2e30a98a52d5@chriswoolf.co.uk> References: <5df64c82-95b6-398d-60c1-6bba63291fce@gmail.com> <57665d7491dave@davesound.co.uk> <566ef3d0-1d82-b04b-9a4f-2e30a98a52d5@chriswoolf.co.uk> Message-ID: <5ed9b679-a44e-9261-5396-9d59db6b9466@tiscali.co.uk> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bernie833 at gmail.com Sat Dec 15 11:41:28 2018 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2018 17:41:28 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] car stuff In-Reply-To: <5766e1515ddave@davesound.co.uk> References: <5df64c82-95b6-398d-60c1-6bba63291fce@gmail.com> <57665d7491dave@davesound.co.uk> <566ef3d0-1d82-b04b-9a4f-2e30a98a52d5@chriswoolf.co.uk> <5766e1515ddave@davesound.co.uk> Message-ID: <72fb525a-6ee7-1669-5c98-4f1d67398f0a@gmail.com> Yes, American. originally a Carter, also a Weber, designed I think in the 1950s. Like the engines it goes with, there are endless bits and pieces to play with and change. I bought mine from Rimmer Brothers https://rimmerbros.com/Item--i-RA1335 back in 2002, and jetted for a Rover / Buick V8.? They do seem to be easily opened up for maintenance, but I haven't done my bit this afternoon owing to a wife/kitchen table interface. Tomorrow... Thanks for all the suggestions - I'll take some pics when it's open and let you know the result.? I don't think it's old fuel as I have a system - I keep the tank around half full so am able to add new when I drive it. It was fine in October.? It could, as people have suggested, be water, or it could be a blockage. Time will tell. cheers B On 15/12/2018 16:59, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: > In article , > Chris Woolf via Tech1 wrote: >> ... and just been looking at the adjustment procedure for an Edelbrock... >> Everything in inches of mercury, pounds per square inch, and all sorts >> of quaint measurements - wonderful stuff! > American, innit? > > > >> All the settings infinitely >> b***erable. What amused me most was that it was all achieved without >> ever actually looking at what was coming out of the exhaust. > Assuming correct ignition timing, if you set the idle mixture for the best > steady speed, it will be good enough to pass the emissions regs for an old > car. They are actually quite generous. On my 85 Rover, I'm allowed up to > 4.5% CO, but it idles happily at 1.5%. > >> How does that square with MOTs? > I'd certainly fit a wideband O2 sensor system to the exhaust. Takes much > of the guessing out of tuning. > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net Sat Dec 15 11:56:29 2018 From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2018 17:56:29 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] car stuff In-Reply-To: <06a3e01a-759f-3ff4-d02f-db744ecf8017@ntlworld.com> References: <5df64c82-95b6-398d-60c1-6bba63291fce@gmail.com><57665d7491dave@davesound.co.uk><5766851c81dave@davesound.co.uk> <06a3e01a-759f-3ff4-d02f-db744ecf8017@ntlworld.com> Message-ID: <8A586101496A42DBA8603D70B05778C9@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> Hi Bernard, Irrelevant to your problem but we have local to us here a 427 Cobra (probably replica) that I photographed in June this year because it was so beautifully turned out. I believe it has the V8 Ford FE which I understand would normally have the 4 barrel Holley carburettor. Belongs to the same chap who owns the Ferrari beside it. Ever so slightly envious! Dave Newbitt. From: Bernard Newnham via Tech1 Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2018 9:52 AM To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Cc: Bernard Newnham Subject: Re: [Tech1] car stuff On 15/12/2018 00:12, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: Is it a real Cobra, then? It's one of these - https://www.pilgrim-motorsports.co.uk/ Real ones cost a very large amount of money - pretend ones have much more modern works and have to pass fancy tests, so are rather safer. I always promised myself that when I left the BBC I'd build an aeroplane, and actually visited a couple of factories. But when it came to it I realised that though I could build the thing - and it would have been much easier - I'd have nowhere to keep it that wasn't going to cost a lot. So I built a car instead. It's only done about 1200 miles because I prefer to drive my climate controlled - automatic - auto everything - Toyota estate, but has its moments. I have a date with a Torx screwdriver this afternoon...... B -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: DSC06579%20edit[2].jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 89830 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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But when it came to it I realised that though I could build the thing - and it would have been much easier - I'd have nowhere to keep it that wasn't going to cost a lot. So I built a car instead.? It's only done about 1200 miles because I prefer to drive my climate controlled - automatic - auto everything - Toyota estate, but has its moments. I have a date with a Torx screwdriver this afternoon...... B -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: bbkcfmpdolmkijep.png Type: image/png Size: 216689 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: gfehnabfnmladpfk.png Type: image/png Size: 938943 bytes Desc: not available URL: From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Sat Dec 15 13:21:39 2018 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2018 19:21:39 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Ken Dodd In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <643e0f9f-69ff-6012-2012-56cb7478e218@btinternet.com> There was an infamous show that he did at the Golders Green Hippodrome where there were so many re-takes most of the audience had walked out by the time he had finished! Cheers, Dave From hughsheppard at btinternet.com Sat Dec 15 14:10:25 2018 From: hughsheppard at btinternet.com (Hugh Sheppard) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2018 20:10:25 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Ken Dodd In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Nothing on Ken Dodd, but a great Albert Stevenson story lurks in the mist. Have you heard his one about the Vulcan bomber? Hugh On 15-Dec-18 4:58 PM, Nick Way via Tech1 wrote: > Louis, > I'll be in touch. John Hays may remember... but it was a long time ago! > Cheers > Nick Way > > Apologies for brevity - it's sent from a telephone... > > ---- Louis Barfe via Tech1 wrote ---- > > Dear all, > > I'm currently writing a book about Ken Dodd, due for publication in time > for next Christmas. I know a fair few of you will have worked on his BBC > TV shows, and other programmes where he was a guest. If you have any > stories that you think I'd find useful, I'd love to hear from you. > > I already have a lovely story from Paul Kay about the recording lines > going down on a 'Ken Dodd Show' OB from Ardwick Hippodrome and Albert > Stevenson having to fill for 40 minutes while it was fixed, a feat > worthy of the star himself. The NDO had a trophy made and given to > Albert commemorating the event. > > Many thanks, > Louis > -- > --------------------------------------------------- > Some people draw conclusions like curtains. > --------------------------------------------------- > Louis Barfe - http://cheeseford.net > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bernie833 at gmail.com Sun Dec 16 09:04:32 2018 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2018 15:04:32 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] car stuff In-Reply-To: <8A586101496A42DBA8603D70B05778C9@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> References: <5df64c82-95b6-398d-60c1-6bba63291fce@gmail.com> <57665d7491dave@davesound.co.uk> <5766851c81dave@davesound.co.uk> <06a3e01a-759f-3ff4-d02f-db744ecf8017@ntlworld.com> <8A586101496A42DBA8603D70B05778C9@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> Message-ID: <57b3bda1-fcdf-debc-a491-36a772823dbe@gmail.com> Well, it looks very likely that water is the problem. Having taken the carb off the engine I turned it upside down outside to empty the float chambers.? A lot of brown liquid came out. I've taken the top off now - although in the YouTube videos this looks easy, the manufacturer had helpfully glued the gasket on to mine, which made removal both difficult and messy, and has cost me the price of a new gasket set from Rimmer. 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Daft that they glued the gasket on - one of their selling points is that the joint is above float level, and therefore not prone to leaks. Or is that the gasket is a sized paper type that has deteriorated and formed its own glue when in contact with petrol and/or water? Chris Woolf On 16/12/2018 15:04, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: > Well, it looks very likely that water is the problem. Having taken the > carb off the engine I turned it upside down outside to empty the float > chambers.? A lot of brown liquid came out. > > I've taken the top off now - although in the YouTube videos this looks > easy, the manufacturer had helpfully glued the gasket on to mine, > which made removal both difficult and messy, and has cost me the price > of a new gasket set from Rimmer. In the videos the thing comes off > clean, but I've spent half the morning scraping, and will have to do a > load more work to make sure I didn't drop bits into the system. 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I also question your use of ?musical number?! ?Noise" is a good word! Barry. On 16 Dec 2018, at 21:35, Georgie and Steve Rogers via Tech1 wrote: > Has anybody got any comments on the ending of Sports review of the year I wonder who decided to put a musical number at the end instead of the "traditional music and "trophy holding" looked like no direction either on stage or from the gallery spoiled a good show. > Steve R > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Sun Dec 16 16:17:19 2018 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2018 22:17:19 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Sports review of the year In-Reply-To: <12DD3E15-AB52-4BDD-8637-FCA01F91D1A3@btinternet.com> References: <12DD3E15-AB52-4BDD-8637-FCA01F91D1A3@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <06205ca9-2c8b-88bc-2d60-755c9eccec4f@btinternet.com> Rupert will be over-the-moon that one of his employees has won this prestigious BBC award! At least there was no jiffy-bag involved. Cheers, Dave. From ohbytheway.tv at gmail.com Sun Dec 16 16:24:46 2018 From: ohbytheway.tv at gmail.com (David Denness) Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2018 22:24:46 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] Sports review of the year In-Reply-To: <06205ca9-2c8b-88bc-2d60-755c9eccec4f@btinternet.com> References: <12DD3E15-AB52-4BDD-8637-FCA01F91D1A3@btinternet.com> <06205ca9-2c8b-88bc-2d60-755c9eccec4f@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <000501d4958e$27275210$7575f630$@gmail.com> I believe it was James Murdoch, himself a cycling nut, who decided to set up and sponsor Sky Cycling Teams all those years ago. Since he has been moved off to USA and beyond current management are wondering what they are getting out of the deal and so have said they will drop out of sponsorship and ownership of the teams. Maybe after that award this evening........ Who knows? Dave D -----Original Message----- From: Tech1 On Behalf Of dave.mdv via Tech1 Sent: 16 December 2018 22:17 To: Barry Bonner ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Sports review of the year Rupert will be over-the-moon that one of his employees has won this prestigious BBC award! At least there was no jiffy-bag involved. Cheers, Dave. -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Sun Dec 16 16:25:43 2018 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2018 22:25:43 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Sports review of the year In-Reply-To: <000501d4958e$27275210$7575f630$@gmail.com> References: <12DD3E15-AB52-4BDD-8637-FCA01F91D1A3@btinternet.com> <06205ca9-2c8b-88bc-2d60-755c9eccec4f@btinternet.com> <000501d4958e$27275210$7575f630$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <914c25cf-3a12-9c2f-45d9-ffe698b91ea6@btinternet.com> Indeed! Cheers, Dave From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Sun Dec 16 17:16:01 2018 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2018 23:16:01 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] The Usenet Message-ID: <87610cce-920c-d191-2847-5bddfffc0722@btinternet.com> Many of you newbies to the world of computing may not be aware that there are several internets! The first one was the 'Usenet' where ordinary people like you and me swopped information about all and sundry. The main 'Internet' evolved from that but the Usenet continue s to this day and is a most useful source of information about whatever you are interested in. There are over 120,000 news gruops currently available! If you have a Saab car , alt.autos.saab, has loads of helpful info and tips etc. and so on. To search the 120000 newsgroups you will need a good search program and I can heartily recommend subscribing to 'Usenet Explorer'. My wife needs lots of karaokes for her singing class and I like to know the latest classical CDs of my favourite composers etc. which is so easy with UE. Give it a try! PS. I am not being paid for this endorsmant! Cheers, Dave From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Sun Dec 16 17:55:36 2018 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2018 23:55:36 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] The Usenet In-Reply-To: <87610cce-920c-d191-2847-5bddfffc0722@btinternet.com> References: <87610cce-920c-d191-2847-5bddfffc0722@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <609af192-576c-3049-ff9d-ca794bbc88b1@btinternet.com> So many typos! For gruop read group, endorsmant should be endorsement, shame on me! Cheers, Dave. PS. I blame Brexit, which has addled my brain along with most of the so-called politicians! From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Sun Dec 16 18:03:23 2018 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2018 00:03:23 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Usenet Explorer Message-ID: <4a627e44-faab-deae-a601-d65ae9e52e30@btinternet.com> Version 5.52 has just been released - get it! Cheers, Dave From dave at davesound.co.uk Sun Dec 16 18:38:51 2018 From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2018 00:38:51 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Tech1] The Usenet In-Reply-To: <87610cce-920c-d191-2847-5bddfffc0722@btinternet.com> References: <87610cce-920c-d191-2847-5bddfffc0722@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <57678f34e0dave@davesound.co.uk> In article <87610cce-920c-d191-2847-5bddfffc0722 at btinternet.com>, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: > The first one was the 'Usenet' where > ordinary people like you and me swopped information about all and > sundry. The main 'Internet' evolved from that but the Usenet continue s > to this day and is a most useful source of information about whatever > you are interested in. There are over 120,000 news gruops currently > available! Still used by some - but an increasingly older group. Being text only (in general) many now prefer a forum type of group where it is easier to post pics etc. And many once decent newsgroups have been taken over by trolls, unless moderated. -- *A woman drove me to drink and I didn't have the decency to thank her Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Sun Dec 16 18:51:48 2018 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2018 00:51:48 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] The Usenet In-Reply-To: <57678f34e0dave@davesound.co.uk> References: <87610cce-920c-d191-2847-5bddfffc0722@btinternet.com> <57678f34e0dave@davesound.co.uk> Message-ID: Trolls are a pain the *ss but you can block the sender on UE. Of course they keep changing names but that is all part of the game! Cheers, Dave From bernie833 at gmail.com Wed Dec 19 04:07:15 2018 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2018 10:07:15 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Spam stuff Message-ID: <888392a8-3e18-13e0-0b84-17957b2dbc94@gmail.com> An advantage of using Thunderbird as an email client is that, no matter where the email says it comes from, Thunderbird puts the real From address for you to see. I don't know if other systems do that. B -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: daojainpaikiolej.png Type: image/png Size: 8644 bytes Desc: not available URL: From gary_critcher at yahoo.com Wed Dec 19 04:17:37 2018 From: gary_critcher at yahoo.com (Gary Critcher) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2018 10:17:37 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Tech1] Hi8 transfers anyone? References: <350939113.10253351.1545214657684.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <350939113.10253351.1545214657684@mail.yahoo.com> Lads,? I've been asked by a couple of people if I can transfer Hi8 to DVD.?I can't, so was wondering if anyone on here may be able ot help? all the best,???????? Gary C -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From johnhcox at gmail.com Wed Dec 19 11:50:22 2018 From: johnhcox at gmail.com (John Cox) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2018 17:50:22 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] To Save A Life Message-ID: <5c1a84df.1c69fb81.d8910.20bf@mx.google.com> On December 22nd 2018 it will be thirty years since that dreadful disaster the blowing up of Pam Am 103 over Lockerbie in southwest Scotland. Of the one hundred and seventy people killed was Jim Swire?s daughter Flora. Jim has been a tireless worker for real justice ever since. What many of you will not know is that Herbert Jim Swire used to work for the BBC as an engineer in the Radio Links Section at London Television Outside Broadcasts Wembley. Jim was always known to us as Herbert. The day before the 1956 or 1957 Boat Race (can?t remember which) early in the morning, stationed on the south side of Chiswick Bridge, cameramen and engineers were in the Radio Link van having a cup of tea and waiting for the equipment to warm up when all of a sudden there was a loud splash from the bridge, A lady had decided to jump in near the middle of the river. Don Oliver and Herbert Swire immediately swam fully clothed into the water to rescue the screaming lady. Meanwhile the rest of us under the guidance of Alan Roberts (chief engineer) payed out a long length of rope into the river to help the rescuers when they reached the Surrey shore. Later that day the lady in question thanked her rescuers. Sent from Mail for Windows 10 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net Wed Dec 19 12:01:50 2018 From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2018 18:01:50 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] To Save A Life In-Reply-To: <5c1a84df.1c69fb81.d8910.20bf@mx.google.com> References: <5c1a84df.1c69fb81.d8910.20bf@mx.google.com> Message-ID: What a fascinating story. I have always admired Jim Swire for his integrity and honesty. Whenever he spoke on the Lockerbie topic he came across as a genuine seeker after truth, always resisting just ?going along? with the hasty conclusions of many others. >From your anecdote clearly a man to be admired for wider qualities as well. Dave Newbitt. From: John Cox via Tech1 Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2018 5:50 PM To: Tech Ops Forum Subject: [Tech1] To Save A Life On December 22nd 2018 it will be thirty years since that dreadful disaster the blowing up of Pam Am 103 over Lockerbie in southwest Scotland. Of the one hundred and seventy people killed was Jim Swire?s daughter Flora. Jim has been a tireless worker for real justice ever since. What many of you will not know is that Herbert Jim Swire used to work for the BBC as an engineer in the Radio Links Section at London Television Outside Broadcasts Wembley. Jim was always known to us as Herbert. The day before the 1956 or 1957 Boat Race (can?t remember which) early in the morning, stationed on the south side of Chiswick Bridge, cameramen and engineers were in the Radio Link van having a cup of tea and waiting for the equipment to warm up when all of a sudden there was a loud splash from the bridge, A lady had decided to jump in near the middle of the river. Don Oliver and Herbert Swire immediately swam fully clothed into the water to rescue the screaming lady. Meanwhile the rest of us under the guidance of Alan Roberts (chief engineer) payed out a long length of rope into the river to help the rescuers when they reached the Surrey shore. Later that day the lady in question thanked her rescuers. Sent from Mail for Windows 10 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graeme.wall at icloud.com Wed Dec 19 14:46:33 2018 From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2018 20:46:33 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] To Save A Life In-Reply-To: References: <5c1a84df.1c69fb81.d8910.20bf@mx.google.com> Message-ID: I?ve a particular reason for remembering Lockerbie, I was booked on that flight but about 10 days before my travel agent got me booked on a flight the previous weekend instead. ? Graeme Wall > On 19 Dec 2018, at 18:01, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: > > What a fascinating story. I have always admired Jim Swire for his integrity and honesty. Whenever he spoke on the Lockerbie topic he came across as a genuine seeker after truth, always resisting just ?going along? with the hasty conclusions of many others. From your anecdote clearly a man to be admired for wider qualities as well. > > Dave Newbitt. > > From: John Cox via Tech1 > Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2018 5:50 PM > To: Tech Ops Forum > Subject: [Tech1] To Save A Life > > On December 22nd 2018 it will be thirty years since that dreadful disaster the blowing up of Pam Am 103 over Lockerbie in southwest Scotland. Of the one hundred and seventy people killed was Jim Swire?s daughter Flora. Jim has been a tireless worker for real justice ever since. > What many of you will not know is that Herbert Jim Swire used to work for the BBC as an engineer in the Radio Links Section at London Television Outside Broadcasts Wembley. Jim was always known to us as Herbert. > The day before the 1956 or 1957 Boat Race (can?t remember which) early in the morning, stationed on the south side of Chiswick Bridge, cameramen and engineers were in the Radio Link van having a cup of tea and waiting for the equipment to warm up when all of a sudden there was a loud splash from the bridge, A lady had decided to jump in near the middle of the river. Don Oliver and Herbert Swire immediately swam fully clothed into the water to rescue the screaming lady. Meanwhile the rest of us under the guidance of Alan Roberts (chief engineer) payed out a long length of rope into the river to help the rescuers when they reached the Surrey shore. > Later that day the lady in question thanked her rescuers. > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Wed Dec 19 16:33:03 2018 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2018 22:33:03 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] PA 103 In-Reply-To: References: <5c1a84df.1c69fb81.d8910.20bf@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <040dfb28-76a5-c259-5916-5b7ea124ca58@btinternet.com> In 1979 we took our young children to the US on Flight PA103, 407 people on board, severe turbulence and lots of people being sick - a flight to remember! Cheers, Dave From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Thu Dec 20 16:06:59 2018 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2018 22:06:59 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Status Message-ID: <30792a32-31b0-943a-4b43-43acfef36a16@btinternet.com> As of 0600 this morning I am now officially a great-grandad! He was due in January but decided to arrive in time for Christmas. Just thought you'd like to know! Cheers, hic, Dave From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net Thu Dec 20 16:25:18 2018 From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2018 22:25:18 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] Status In-Reply-To: <30792a32-31b0-943a-4b43-43acfef36a16@btinternet.com> References: <30792a32-31b0-943a-4b43-43acfef36a16@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <78276ADE67924186817B38FE1558FDE2@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> Well done! Many congratulations to all who played a part. Will he be a Dave I wonder? There are so many Davids in our small village that we have a 'Clan David' where all concerned celebrate with a lunch out on St David's Day. Dave Newbitt. -----Original Message----- From: dave.mdv via Tech1 Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2018 10:06 PM To: Phil ; Pete ; Dave ; Dave ; Dave ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: [Tech1] Status As of 0600 this morning I am now officially a great-grandad! He was due in January but decided to arrive in time for Christmas. Just thought you'd like to know! Cheers, hic, Dave -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From graeme.wall at icloud.com Fri Dec 21 02:07:58 2018 From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2018 08:07:58 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Status In-Reply-To: <30792a32-31b0-943a-4b43-43acfef36a16@btinternet.com> References: <30792a32-31b0-943a-4b43-43acfef36a16@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <8DDCF9D7-15E4-40C1-B386-ABCDA0A1C3D2@icloud.com> Congratulations! Better get him a Christmas stocking quick! ? Graeme Wall > On 20 Dec 2018, at 22:06, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: > > As of 0600 this morning I am now officially a great-grandad! He was due in January but decided to arrive in time for Christmas. Just thought you'd like to know! Cheers, hic, Dave > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Fri Dec 21 13:37:44 2018 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2018 19:37:44 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Christmas Tapes Message-ID: <5fff2d34-9ade-57ed-0cbc-1e16e030a71a@btinternet.com> On Sunday, Dec. 23rd. at 2130 on BBC4, there is a half hour program about the famous VT tapes! I wonder which bits they will show? Cheers, Dave From paul at pgtmedia.co.uk Fri Dec 21 13:52:40 2018 From: paul at pgtmedia.co.uk (Paul Thackray) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2018 19:52:40 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Christmas Tapes In-Reply-To: <5fff2d34-9ade-57ed-0cbc-1e16e030a71a@btinternet.com> Message-ID: The few bits they can get permission to show! Paul Thackray PGT Media Consulting Ltd. 07802 243979 Mail;?paul at pgtmedia.co.uk Web;?http://www.pgtmedia.co.uk Linkedin;???http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/paul-thackray/19/379/746 IMDB;?http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1488554/ sent from my BlackBerry?the most secure mobile device?via the O2 Network ? Original Message ? From: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Sent: 21 December 2018 19:38 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Reply to: dave.mdv at btinternet.com Subject: [Tech1] Christmas Tapes On Sunday, Dec. 23rd. at 2130 on BBC4, there is a half hour program about the famous VT tapes! I wonder which bits they will show? Cheers, Dave -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From ian.hillson at gmail.com Sun Dec 23 07:30:16 2018 From: ian.hillson at gmail.com (Ian H) Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2018 13:30:16 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Christmas Tapes In-Reply-To: <5fff2d34-9ade-57ed-0cbc-1e16e030a71a@btinternet.com> References: <5fff2d34-9ade-57ed-0cbc-1e16e030a71a@btinternet.com> Message-ID: Thanks for 'heads up' D And on Drama at the moment there's the Dad's Army Film from 1971 (much better than the recent one) - my favourite line (Mainwaring to Hodges) "take your hands off my privates" https://www.tvguide.co.uk/detail/424137/145479977/dads-army-1971 followed by: We're Doomed! The Dad's Army Story (15.25 on Sunday) https://www.tvguide.co.uk/detail/2267457/145479978/were-doomed-the-dads-army-story Best I On Fri, Dec 21, 2018 at 7:38 PM dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: > On Sunday, Dec. 23rd. at 2130 on BBC4, there is a half hour program > about the famous VT tapes! I wonder which bits they will show? Cheers, Dave > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bernie833 at gmail.com Mon Dec 24 04:08:32 2018 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2018 10:08:32 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Christmas tapes Message-ID: <1a767615-cf94-741c-8710-1465c6a0593f@gmail.com> I thought they did a pretty good job on the show last night. Pity they didn't run one of the set pieces complete, but never mind.?? Presumably Kenny Everett was overdubbed for permissions reasons, so attached is the original Merry Christmas VT, and RIP Grant, who did the most. B -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: GKM clip.mp4 Type: video/mp4 Size: 3793226 bytes Desc: not available URL: From rogerbunce at btinternet.com Mon Dec 24 07:14:11 2018 From: rogerbunce at btinternet.com (ROGER BUNCE) Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2018 13:14:11 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Tech1] Christmas tapes In-Reply-To: <1a767615-cf94-741c-8710-1465c6a0593f@gmail.com> References: <1a767615-cf94-741c-8710-1465c6a0593f@gmail.com> Message-ID: <889182009.13963954.1545657251566@mail.yahoo.com> Yes, not bad. I felt there was slightly too much emphasis on celebrities swearing, and a lack of really funny bits. I suppose with only a half-hour programme, there wasn't time for some of the real classics - the Suzi Quatro "He's a Sports PA" or "VT Tea". These may also have seemed too 'IN' for the general public. The David Suchet custard pie incident always makes me laugh - but that had already appeared on 'Tales of TV Centre'. It's good to see that Grant Watkins received due credit. Was he really sacked? Facebook groups are denying this. And the claim that the Christmas Tapes were shown at "THE BBC Christmas Party" . . . ? Also, is it my imagination or - Were there Christmas Tapes before 1979? - not with the same high production values - just compilations of out-takes - but I'm sure I remember bloopers from programmes I'd worked on before that date. A Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year, to all. luv, Rog. On Monday, 24 December 2018, 10:32:29 GMT, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: I thought they did a pretty good job on the show last night. Pity they didn't run one of the set pieces complete, but never mind.?? Presumably Kenny Everett was overdubbed for permissions reasons, so attached is the original Merry Christmas VT, and RIP Grant, who did the most. B -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bernie833 at gmail.com Mon Dec 24 07:58:53 2018 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2018 13:58:53 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Christmas tapes In-Reply-To: <889182009.13963954.1545657251566@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1a767615-cf94-741c-8710-1465c6a0593f@gmail.com> <889182009.13963954.1545657251566@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3acf52fc-1f06-4fb3-b9aa-de54fe4d037c@ntlworld.com> I didn't think he was fired. Mitch will know - I bumped into him and Grant in reception at some point and they told me they were off to MPC. B On 24/12/2018 13:14, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 wrote: > Yes, not bad. I felt there was slightly too much emphasis on > celebrities swearing, and a lack of really funny bits. I suppose with > only a half-hour programme, there wasn't time for some of the real > classics - the Suzi Quatro "He's a Sports PA" or "VT Tea". These may > also have seemed too 'IN' for the general public. The David Suchet > custard pie incident always makes me laugh - but that had already > appeared on 'Tales of TV Centre'. > > It's good to see that Grant Watkins received due credit. Was he really > sacked? Facebook groups are denying this. And the claim that the > Christmas Tapes were shown at "THE BBC Christmas Party" . . . ? > > Also, is it my imagination or - Were there Christmas Tapes before > 1979? - not with the same high production values - just compilations > of out-takes - but I'm sure I remember bloopers from programmes I'd > worked on before that date. > > A Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year, to all. > > luv, Rog. > > > On Monday, 24 December 2018, 10:32:29 GMT, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 > wrote: > > > I thought they did a pretty good job on the show last night. Pity they > didn't run one of the set pieces complete, but never mind.?? > Presumably Kenny Everett was overdubbed for permissions reasons, so > attached is the original > > Merry Christmas VT, and RIP Grant, who did the most. > > B > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chris.booth at froyle.com Mon Dec 24 10:05:01 2018 From: chris.booth at froyle.com (chris.booth at froyle.com) Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2018 16:05:01 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] Christmas tapes In-Reply-To: <3acf52fc-1f06-4fb3-b9aa-de54fe4d037c@ntlworld.com> References: <1a767615-cf94-741c-8710-1465c6a0593f@gmail.com><889182009.13963954.1545657251566@mail.yahoo.com> <3acf52fc-1f06-4fb3-b9aa-de54fe4d037c@ntlworld.com> Message-ID: <13F768E12D844F2E89BE4F2FBAADE041@Archiveupgrade> As far as I remember Grant went to a facilities house in Soho. Indeed he was my Charisma operator in 1985 on ?Marilyn, say goodbye to the President? with Christopher Ogliati. Later he went to LA where he died. ---------- Chris B From: Bernard Newnham via Tech1 Sent: Monday, December 24, 2018 1:58 PM To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Cc: Bernard Newnham Subject: Re: [Tech1] Christmas tapes I didn't think he was fired. Mitch will know - I bumped into him and Grant in reception at some point and they told me they were off to MPC. B On 24/12/2018 13:14, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 wrote: Yes, not bad. I felt there was slightly too much emphasis on celebrities swearing, and a lack of really funny bits. I suppose with only a half-hour programme, there wasn't time for some of the real classics - the Suzi Quatro "He's a Sports PA" or "VT Tea". These may also have seemed too 'IN' for the general public. The David Suchet custard pie incident always makes me laugh - but that had already appeared on 'Tales of TV Centre'. It's good to see that Grant Watkins received due credit. Was he really sacked? Facebook groups are denying this. And the claim that the Christmas Tapes were shown at "THE BBC Christmas Party" . . . ? Also, is it my imagination or - Were there Christmas Tapes before 1979? - not with the same high production values - just compilations of out-takes - but I'm sure I remember bloopers from programmes I'd worked on before that date. A Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year, to all. luv, Rog. On Monday, 24 December 2018, 10:32:29 GMT, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk wrote: I thought they did a pretty good job on the show last night. Pity they didn't run one of the set pieces complete, but never mind. Presumably Kenny Everett was overdubbed for permissions reasons, so attached is the original Merry Christmas VT, and RIP Grant, who did the most. B -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com Mon Dec 24 10:06:55 2018 From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray) Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2018 16:06:55 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Christmas tapes In-Reply-To: <889182009.13963954.1545657251566@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1a767615-cf94-741c-8710-1465c6a0593f@gmail.com> <889182009.13963954.1545657251566@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: IIRC there were VT compilation tapes of bloopers during my time ('63 to '68) but were basically for VT only - were they not called VT Entertainment Tapes? Only the favoured few saw them in those days ... BR Alec sent from my mobile phone. Apologies for any strange autocorrections. On Mon, 24 Dec 2018, 13:15 ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 Yes, not bad. I felt there was slightly too much emphasis on celebrities > swearing, and a lack of really funny bits. I suppose with only a half-hour > programme, there wasn't time for some of the real classics - the Suzi > Quatro "He's a Sports PA" or "VT Tea". These may also have seemed too 'IN' > for the general public. The David Suchet custard pie incident always makes > me laugh - but that had already appeared on 'Tales of TV Centre'. > > It's good to see that Grant Watkins received due credit. Was he really > sacked? Facebook groups are denying this. And the claim that the Christmas > Tapes were shown at "THE BBC Christmas Party" . . . ? > > Also, is it my imagination or - Were there Christmas Tapes before 1979? - > not with the same high production values - just compilations of out-takes - > but I'm sure I remember bloopers from programmes I'd worked on before that > date. > > A Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year, to all. > > luv, Rog. > > > On Monday, 24 December 2018, 10:32:29 GMT, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 < > tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote: > > > I thought they did a pretty good job on the show last night. Pity they > didn't run one of the set pieces complete, but never mind. Presumably > Kenny Everett was overdubbed for permissions reasons, so attached is the > original > > Merry Christmas VT, and RIP Grant, who did the most. > > B > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gary_critcher at yahoo.com Mon Dec 24 10:16:18 2018 From: gary_critcher at yahoo.com (Gary Critcher) Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2018 16:16:18 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Tech1] Christmas tapes In-Reply-To: References: <1a767615-cf94-741c-8710-1465c6a0593f@gmail.com> <889182009.13963954.1545657251566@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1109655870.14029415.1545668178828@mail.yahoo.com> Yes indeed, Grant was at the Moving Picture Company in Noel Street when I joined in the latter half of 1989, me straight from VT Current Ops. ?After about 18 months, it was announced that he and one of the guys from our Bookings dept would be leaving and going to America to set up their own company. I think we heard within quite a short time, maybe as little as 6 months, that Hector (Bookings guy) came in to the office one morning and found Grant slumped over his desk and that was that.? I don't think Grant was that old, was he? all the best for the festivities.?? Gary Critcher On Monday, 24 December 2018, 16:07:32 GMT, Alec Bray via Tech1 wrote: IIRC there were VT compilation tapes of bloopers during my time ('63 to '68) but were basically for VT only - were they not called VT Entertainment Tapes? Only the favoured few saw them in those days ...BR Alec sent from my mobile phone. Apologies for any strange autocorrections. On Mon, 24 Dec 2018, 13:15 ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 wrote: I thought they did a pretty good job on the show last night. Pity they didn't run one of the set pieces complete, but never mind.?? Presumably Kenny Everett was overdubbed for permissions reasons, so attached is the original Merry Christmas VT, and RIP Grant, who did the most. B -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From geoffletch at gmail.com Mon Dec 24 11:16:04 2018 From: geoffletch at gmail.com (Geoff Fletcher) Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2018 17:16:04 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Christmas tapes In-Reply-To: References: <1a767615-cf94-741c-8710-1465c6a0593f@gmail.com> <889182009.13963954.1545657251566@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I agree Alec. I certainly saw at least two compilations before I left in early 1970. Did they run them in Pres B? Geoff F On Mon, 24 Dec 2018 at 16:07, Alec Bray via Tech1 wrote: > IIRC there were VT compilation tapes of bloopers during my time ('63 to > '68) but were basically for VT only - were they not called VT Entertainment > Tapes? Only the favoured few saw them in those days ... > BR Alec > > sent from my mobile phone. Apologies for any strange autocorrections. > > On Mon, 24 Dec 2018, 13:15 ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 wrote: > >> Yes, not bad. I felt there was slightly too much emphasis on celebrities >> swearing, and a lack of really funny bits. I suppose with only a half-hour >> programme, there wasn't time for some of the real classics - the Suzi >> Quatro "He's a Sports PA" or "VT Tea". These may also have seemed too 'IN' >> for the general public. The David Suchet custard pie incident always makes >> me laugh - but that had already appeared on 'Tales of TV Centre'. >> >> It's good to see that Grant Watkins received due credit. Was he really >> sacked? Facebook groups are denying this. And the claim that the Christmas >> Tapes were shown at "THE BBC Christmas Party" . . . ? >> >> Also, is it my imagination or - Were there Christmas Tapes before 1979? - >> not with the same high production values - just compilations of out-takes - >> but I'm sure I remember bloopers from programmes I'd worked on before that >> date. >> >> A Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year, to all. >> >> luv, Rog. >> >> >> On Monday, 24 December 2018, 10:32:29 GMT, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 < >> tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote: >> >> >> I thought they did a pretty good job on the show last night. Pity they >> didn't run one of the set pieces complete, but never mind. Presumably >> Kenny Everett was overdubbed for permissions reasons, so attached is the >> original >> >> Merry Christmas VT, and RIP Grant, who did the most. >> >> B >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bernie833 at gmail.com Mon Dec 24 17:27:55 2018 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2018 23:27:55 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] car stuff In-Reply-To: References: <5df64c82-95b6-398d-60c1-6bba63291fce@gmail.com> <57665d7491dave@davesound.co.uk> <5766851c81dave@davesound.co.uk> <06a3e01a-759f-3ff4-d02f-db744ecf8017@ntlworld.com> <8A586101496A42DBA8603D70B05778C9@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> <57b3bda1-fcdf-debc-a491-36a772823dbe@gmail.com> Message-ID: <2fe8229e-c698-6af2-6385-c52ddf4b430f@ntlworld.com> I finally got the thing to run again.? I emptied the fuel tank into a big plastic tank, then put a bottle of Wynn's Dry Fuel into the car's empty tank, then put most of the settled fuel back, hopefully leaving the water behind. It started with a lot of steam in the exhaust. Now all I have to do is get the emissions right B On 16/12/2018 16:51, Chris Woolf via Tech1 wrote: > > Yup, that does look very "watery".? I've had a bit to do with > horticultural machinery that frequently sits unused for many months, > and seen exactly that sort of deposit. I think its a mixture of > condensation, dissolved water, and leaching from the various hoses and > joints - pretty unpleasant stuff that normally just gets sucked > through in a constantly used machine. > > Daft that they glued the gasket on - one of their selling points is > that the joint is above float level, and therefore not prone to leaks. > Or is that the gasket is a sized paper type that has deteriorated and > formed its own glue when in contact with petrol and/or water? > > Chris Woolf > > On 16/12/2018 15:04, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: >> Well, it looks very likely that water is the problem. Having taken >> the carb off the engine I turned it upside down outside to empty the >> float chambers.? A lot of brown liquid came out. >> >> I've taken the top off now - although in the YouTube videos this >> looks easy, the manufacturer had helpfully glued the gasket on to >> mine, which made removal both difficult and messy, and has cost me >> the price of a new gasket set from Rimmer. In the videos the thing >> comes off clean, but I've spent half the morning scraping, and will >> have to do a load more work to make sure I didn't drop bits into the >> system. You can see the inside of one of the float chambers below - >> still brown. >> >> >> >> >> > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Avast logo > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com > > > <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Now all I have to do is get the emissions right B On 16/12/2018 16:51, Chris Woolf via Tech1 wrote: > > Yup, that does look very "watery".? I've had a bit to do with > horticultural machinery that frequently sits unused for many months, > and seen exactly that sort of deposit. I think its a mixture of > condensation, dissolved water, and leaching from the various hoses and > joints - pretty unpleasant stuff that normally just gets sucked > through in a constantly used machine. > > Daft that they glued the gasket on - one of their selling points is > that the joint is above float level, and therefore not prone to leaks. > Or is that the gasket is a sized paper type that has deteriorated and > formed its own glue when in contact with petrol and/or water? > > Chris Woolf > > On 16/12/2018 15:04, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: >> Well, it looks very likely that water is the problem. Having taken >> the carb off the engine I turned it upside down outside to empty the >> float chambers.? A lot of brown liquid came out. >> >> I've taken the top off now - although in the YouTube videos this >> looks easy, the manufacturer had helpfully glued the gasket on to >> mine, which made removal both difficult and messy, and has cost me >> the price of a new gasket set from Rimmer. In the videos the thing >> comes off clean, but I've spent half the morning scraping, and will >> have to do a load more work to make sure I didn't drop bits into the >> system. You can see the inside of one of the float chambers below - >> still brown. >> >> >> >> >> > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Avast logo > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com > > > <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Well nice to see a real BBC premises used before that too shuts and moves to some up market/expensive/ unfriendly place in Stratford! Probably not a good site to bring nice peaceful orchestras and music when some footie is taking place nearby having forced everyone to enter via some nasty shopping centre. Mike -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From paul at pgtmedia.co.uk Tue Dec 25 05:10:43 2018 From: paul at pgtmedia.co.uk (Paul Thackray) Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2018 11:10:43 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Another use for Maida Vale Studios In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <2g0qmkii797sdel9kg3j78gd.1545736243745@pgtmedia.co.uk> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk Tue Dec 25 05:56:29 2018 From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf) Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2018 11:56:29 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] car stuff In-Reply-To: <2fe8229e-c698-6af2-6385-c52ddf4b430f@ntlworld.com> References: <5df64c82-95b6-398d-60c1-6bba63291fce@gmail.com> <57665d7491dave@davesound.co.uk> <5766851c81dave@davesound.co.uk> <06a3e01a-759f-3ff4-d02f-db744ecf8017@ntlworld.com> <8A586101496A42DBA8603D70B05778C9@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> <57b3bda1-fcdf-debc-a491-36a772823dbe@gmail.com> <2fe8229e-c698-6af2-6385-c52ddf4b430f@ntlworld.com> Message-ID: <16a3f49e-4857-0586-2562-2284b87b25fb@chriswoolf.co.uk> Glad it was just that. It means the carb settings should be essentially correct and just need tweaks. Water in fuel lines is a right pain. Chris Woolf On 24/12/2018 23:27, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: > I finally got the thing to run again.? I emptied the fuel tank into a > big plastic tank, then put a bottle of Wynn's Dry Fuel into the car's > empty tank, then put most of the settled fuel back, hopefully leaving > the water behind. It started with a lot of steam in the exhaust. Now > all I have to do is get the emissions right > > B > > > > On 16/12/2018 16:51, Chris Woolf via Tech1 wrote: >> >> Yup, that does look very "watery".? I've had a bit to do with >> horticultural machinery that frequently sits unused for many months, >> and seen exactly that sort of deposit. I think its a mixture of >> condensation, dissolved water, and leaching from the various hoses >> and joints - pretty unpleasant stuff that normally just gets sucked >> through in a constantly used machine. >> >> Daft that they glued the gasket on - one of their selling points is >> that the joint is above float level, and therefore not prone to >> leaks. Or is that the gasket is a sized paper type that has >> deteriorated and formed its own glue when in contact with petrol >> and/or water? >> >> Chris Woolf >> >> On 16/12/2018 15:04, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: >>> Well, it looks very likely that water is the problem. Having taken >>> the carb off the engine I turned it upside down outside to empty the >>> float chambers.? A lot of brown liquid came out. >>> >>> I've taken the top off now - although in the YouTube videos this >>> looks easy, the manufacturer had helpfully glued the gasket on to >>> mine, which made removal both difficult and messy, and has cost me >>> the price of a new gasket set from Rimmer. In the videos the thing >>> comes off clean, but I've spent half the morning scraping, and will >>> have to do a load more work to make sure I didn't drop bits into the >>> system. You can see the inside of one of the float chambers below - >>> still brown. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Avast logo >> >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >> www.avast.com >> >> >> <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> >> > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 1.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 63288 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 2.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 86217 bytes Desc: not available URL: From bernie833 at gmail.com Wed Dec 26 15:21:42 2018 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2018 21:21:42 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] M and W Message-ID: <6a5807fe-8a5b-181a-c171-69c6f7a35b71@gmail.com> My younger son is here for Christmas. I switched on BBC2 tonight to watch the recently found Morecambe and Wise shows from 1968, now restored to colour from a rubbish monochrome 16mm print found in a Sierra Leone cinema. We fell into the end of the much repeated 1971 Christmas show, just as the camera tracked back from Glenda Jackson at the top of the stairs. "I worked on this", I said. "You??? Worked on Morecambe and Wise?" "Yes, and I have a picture to prove it. That's me in the middle with the blue shirt" I was 24, the same age he is now. So long ago, and looking on the screen like it was yesterday. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I switched on BBC2 tonight to watch the recently found Morecambe and Wise shows from 1968, now restored to colour from a rubbish monochrome 16mm print found in a Sierra Leone cinema. > > We fell into the end of the much repeated 1971 Christmas show, just as the camera tracked back from Glenda Jackson at the top of the stairs. > > "I worked on this", I said. > > "You? Worked on Morecambe and Wise?" > > "Yes, and I have a picture to prove it. That's me in the middle with the blue shirt" > > I was 24, the same age he is now. So long ago, and looking on the screen like it was yesterday. > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From waresound at msn.com Wed Dec 26 16:57:59 2018 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2018 22:57:59 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] M and W In-Reply-To: <6a5807fe-8a5b-181a-c171-69c6f7a35b71@gmail.com> References: <6a5807fe-8a5b-181a-c171-69c6f7a35b71@gmail.com> Message-ID: I?m pretty sure I was upstairs doing grams on that one, among a number of others. I remember reading somewhere that if the B&W print is sharp enough, the colour subcarrier can be computer reconstructed to recover the colour information. Cheers, Nick. Sent from my iPad On 26 Dec 2018, at 21:22, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 > wrote: My younger son is here for Christmas. I switched on BBC2 tonight to watch the recently found Morecambe and Wise shows from 1968, now restored to colour from a rubbish monochrome 16mm print found in a Sierra Leone cinema. We fell into the end of the much repeated 1971 Christmas show, just as the camera tracked back from Glenda Jackson at the top of the stairs. "I worked on this", I said. "You? Worked on Morecambe and Wise?" "Yes, and I have a picture to prove it. That's me in the middle with the blue shirt" I was 24, the same age he is now. So long ago, and looking on the screen like it was yesterday. -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: malllopgmpjlbocj.png Type: image/png Size: 483192 bytes Desc: malllopgmpjlbocj.png URL: From ian.hillson at gmail.com Thu Dec 27 06:08:14 2018 From: ian.hillson at gmail.com (Ian H) Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2018 12:08:14 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] M and W In-Reply-To: References: <6a5807fe-8a5b-181a-c171-69c6f7a35b71@gmail.com> Message-ID: It's not voodoo! Ten years ago an episode of Dad's Army was about to be given the same treatment but then the Colour Recovery Working Group stepped in and extracted the original colours from the subcarrier dots which had also been film recorded. Otherwise a guestimate of the colours would have been used, as was done on that recently colourised WW1 footage. Dad's Army: https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2008/dec/11/digital-video-restoration-dad-s-army Dr Who: https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2008/mar/06/research.bbc [image: dads_army.jpg] *"Room at the Bottom"* On Wed, Dec 26, 2018 at 10:15 PM Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 < tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote: > Like many, I suspect, I'm in complete awe of what can be done to restore > these bits of old film. I have no idea how it's done, I suspect it must be > voodoo. > > The Peter Jackson restoration from WW 1 footage is now available, I've > just ordered it from Amazon. > > Alasdair Lawrance > > Sent from my iPad2 > > On 26 Dec 2018, at 21:21, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 > wrote: > > My younger son is here for Christmas. I switched on BBC2 tonight to watch > the recently found Morecambe and Wise shows from 1968, now restored to > colour from a rubbish monochrome 16mm print found in a Sierra Leone cinema. > > We fell into the end of the much repeated 1971 Christmas show, just as the > camera tracked back from Glenda Jackson at the top of the stairs. > > "I worked on this", I said. > > "You? Worked on Morecambe and Wise?" > > "Yes, and I have a picture to prove it. That's me in the middle with the > blue shirt" > > I was 24, the same age he is now. So long ago, and looking on the screen > like it was yesterday. > > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: dads_army.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 100922 bytes Desc: not available URL: From dave at davesound.co.uk Thu Dec 27 11:00:14 2018 From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman) Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2018 17:00:14 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Tech1] M and W In-Reply-To: References: <6a5807fe-8a5b-181a-c171-69c6f7a35b71@gmail.com> Message-ID: <576d0f69f2dave@davesound.co.uk> ISTR from my ancient days of such things, a decent colour telly would have a sub carrier notch filter to remove it from a B&W picture? In article , Ian H via Tech1 wrote: > It's not voodoo! > Ten years ago an episode of Dad's Army was about to be given the same > treatment but then the Colour Recovery Working Group stepped in and > extracted the original colours from the subcarrier dots which had also been > film recorded. Otherwise a guestimate of the colours would have been used, > as was done on that recently colourised WW1 footage. > Dad's Army: -- *I have never hated a man enough to give his diamonds back. Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From alawrance1 at me.com Thu Dec 27 11:34:33 2018 From: alawrance1 at me.com (Alasdair Lawrance) Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2018 17:34:33 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] M and W In-Reply-To: References: <6a5807fe-8a5b-181a-c171-69c6f7a35b71@gmail.com> Message-ID: <765BF2BE-1EC8-47ED-BAF5-37AE864FBBE1@me.com> Ian - I know it's not really voodoo, that would just be silly, but I'm afraid I still think a wireless mouse is a pretty neat trick, and again, I haven't the faintest idea how it works (in any detail)! Alasdair Lawrance Sent from my iPad2 > On 27 Dec 2018, at 12:08, Ian H wrote: > > It's not voodoo! > > Ten years ago an episode of Dad's Army was about to be given the same treatment but then the Colour Recovery Working Group stepped in and extracted the original colours from the subcarrier dots which had also been film recorded. Otherwise a guestimate of the colours would have been used, as was done on that recently colourised WW1 footage. > > Dad's Army: https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2008/dec/11/digital-video-restoration-dad-s-army > Dr Who: https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2008/mar/06/research.bbc > > "Room at the Bottom" > >> On Wed, Dec 26, 2018 at 10:15 PM Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 wrote: >> Like many, I suspect, I'm in complete awe of what can be done to restore these bits of old film. I have no idea how it's done, I suspect it must be voodoo. >> >> The Peter Jackson restoration from WW 1 footage is now available, I've just ordered it from Amazon. >> >> Alasdair Lawrance >> >> Sent from my iPad2 >> >>> On 26 Dec 2018, at 21:21, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: >>> >>> My younger son is here for Christmas. I switched on BBC2 tonight to watch the recently found Morecambe and Wise shows from 1968, now restored to colour from a rubbish monochrome 16mm print found in a Sierra Leone cinema. >>> >>> We fell into the end of the much repeated 1971 Christmas show, just as the camera tracked back from Glenda Jackson at the top of the stairs. >>> >>> "I worked on this", I said. >>> >>> "You? Worked on Morecambe and Wise?" >>> >>> "Yes, and I have a picture to prove it. That's me in the middle with the blue shirt" >>> >>> I was 24, the same age he is now. So long ago, and looking on the screen like it was yesterday. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Hugh On 27-Dec-18 5:34 PM, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 wrote: > Ian - > > I know it's not really voodoo, that would just be silly, but I'm > afraid I still think a wireless mouse is a pretty neat trick, and > again, I haven't the faintest idea how it works (in any detail)! > > Alasdair Lawrance > > Sent from my iPad2 > > On 27 Dec 2018, at 12:08, Ian H > wrote: > >> It's not voodoo! >> >> Ten years ago an episode of Dad's Army was about to be given the same >> treatment but then the Colour Recovery Working Group stepped in and >> extracted the original colours from the subcarrier dots which had >> also been film recorded.? Otherwise a guestimate of the colours would >> have been used, as was done on that recently colourised WW1 footage. >> >> Dad's Army: >> https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2008/dec/11/digital-video-restoration-dad-s-army >> Dr Who: https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2008/mar/06/research.bbc >> >> /"Room at the Bottom"/ >> >> On Wed, Dec 26, 2018 at 10:15 PM Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 >> > wrote: >> >> Like many, I suspect, I'm in complete awe of what can be done to >> restore these bits of old film. I have no idea how it's done, I >> suspect it must be voodoo. >> >> The Peter Jackson restoration from WW 1 footage is now available, >> I've just ordered it from Amazon. >> >> Alasdair Lawrance >> >> Sent from my iPad2 >> >> On 26 Dec 2018, at 21:21, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 >> > wrote: >> >>> My younger son is here for Christmas. I switched on BBC2 tonight >>> to watch the recently found Morecambe and Wise shows from 1968, >>> now restored to colour from a rubbish monochrome 16mm print >>> found in a Sierra Leone cinema. >>> >>> We fell into the end of the much repeated 1971 Christmas show, >>> just as the camera tracked back from Glenda Jackson at the top >>> of the stairs. >>> >>> "I worked on this", I said. >>> >>> "You??? Worked on Morecambe and Wise?" >>> >>> "Yes, and I have a picture to prove it. That's me in the middle >>> with the blue shirt" >>> >>> I was 24, the same age he is now. So long ago, and looking on >>> the screen like it was yesterday. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ian.hillson at gmail.com Fri Dec 28 06:54:23 2018 From: ian.hillson at gmail.com (Ian H) Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2018 12:54:23 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] M and W In-Reply-To: <576d0f69f2dave@davesound.co.uk> References: <6a5807fe-8a5b-181a-c171-69c6f7a35b71@gmail.com> <576d0f69f2dave@davesound.co.uk> Message-ID: A colour telly would automatically remove subcarrier patterning in the decoding process. A b&w programme would not have burst or subcarrier crawling upwards on the picture. A b&w telly would not remove subcarrier, when displaying a colour picture. Beeb film recording just used very high quality b&w monitors - it was up to the operator to put in a notch filter when recording a colour programme in b&w (or in some cases, forget to ?). I On Thu, Dec 27, 2018 at 5:17 PM Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: > ISTR from my ancient days of such things, a decent colour telly would have > a sub carrier notch filter to remove it from a B&W picture? > > > In article > , > Ian H via Tech1 wrote: > > It's not voodoo! > > > Ten years ago an episode of Dad's Army was about to be given the same > > treatment but then the Colour Recovery Working Group stepped in and > > extracted the original colours from the subcarrier dots which had also > been > > film recorded. Otherwise a guestimate of the colours would have been > used, > > as was done on that recently colourised WW1 footage. > > > Dad's Army: > > -- > *I have never hated a man enough to give his diamonds back. > > Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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To search the 120000 > newsgroups you will need a good search program and I can heartily > recommend subscribing to 'Usenet Explorer'. My wife needs lots of > karaokes for her singing class and I like to know the latest classical > CDs of my favourite composers etc. which is so easy with UE. Give it a > try! PS. I am not being paid for this endorsmant! Cheers, Dave > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bernie833 at gmail.com Sat Dec 29 11:00:24 2018 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2018 17:00:24 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] (no subject) Message-ID: <435a6b59-ad26-cd22-c4e8-5726b5a925c0@gmail.com> set?myposts?on -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bernie833 at gmail.com Sat Dec 29 11:01:16 2018 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2018 17:01:16 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] loop test Message-ID: loop test? - ? 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Two of the most common free servers:- news.aioe.org news.eternal-september.org -- *Bills travel through the mail at twice the speed of cheques * Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From bernie833 at gmail.com Sun Dec 30 06:18:32 2018 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2018 12:18:32 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] YouTube tech reviews Message-ID: <7b0f2c65-6d2f-f5c2-37f6-ea95f291c24e@gmail.com> A couple of things lately have interested me in the thought of buying a low cost 3D printer. How do you make the gas cylinders on a 1/12 scale model of a Vinten 419 ped? Neil Dormand has a grandson with a printer....... What if your wife's 1960s game of Buccaneer is missing some "gold bars"?? My son has a friend with a 3d printer...... Hmmm - should I have a 3D printer??? I've been looking around at reviews from magazines and on YouTube, and the Creality Ender 3D Pro seems a possibility, if I do decide to buy one. So off to YouTube to look at reviews for that particular machine - "Hi Guys, wazzappp?" Click "Hello, you'll have seen my last three..." Click Etc Then I found this - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCh_ugKacslKhsGGdXP0cRRA/videos? . It's certainly different, but the lady turns out to know what she's at. Now I need to make some of these, as put together in (free) Blender, so that we can once again play the favourite board game of Pauline's childhood B -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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For that you need a double head printer that can lay down a support material beneath the overhangs. This can be a breakaway type (that has decent adhesion when hot but less so when cold), or a water-soluble one - you dump the print in water for a few hours to remove it. I use my printer for prototyping commercial designs, and it is often running 24 hours a day, so I bought an Ultimaker 3 - brilliant, and has earned its keep many times over, but it doesn't come cheap. There are many simpler ones at far lower prices. Check for the maximum temperature they can extrude - limits the type of plastic filament that can be used. Check also on the vertical, horizontal and extruder resolution - cheaper machines can be pretty coarse. You also want a proper heated glass bed - nothing else really works. 3D printers are phenomenally useful. I've printed new screw-top jar lids for the kitchen, replacement pet carrier clips, non-standard pipe adapters and washers - you name it - in notional down time. Mind you, you do have to be able to draw reliably in 3D to provide the instructions. However the slicing programs now available - I use Cura - make the transition from screen item to physical model very simple. Chris Woolf On 30/12/2018 12:18, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: > A couple of things lately have interested me in the thought of buying > a low cost 3D printer. > > How do you make the gas cylinders on a 1/12 scale model of a Vinten > 419 ped? Neil Dormand has a grandson with a printer....... > > What if your wife's 1960s game of Buccaneer is missing some "gold > bars"?? My son has a friend with a 3d printer...... > > Hmmm - should I have a 3D printer??? I've been looking around at > reviews from magazines and on YouTube, and the Creality Ender 3D Pro > seems a possibility, if I do decide to buy one. So off to YouTube to > look at reviews for that particular machine - > > "Hi Guys, wazzappp?" Click > "Hello, you'll have seen my last three..." Click > > Etc > > Then I found this - > https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCh_ugKacslKhsGGdXP0cRRA/videos . It's > certainly different, but the lady turns out to know what she's at. > > Now I need to make some of these, as put together in (free) Blender, > so that we can once again play the favourite board game of Pauline's > childhood > > B > > --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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For a while, I jointed a mailing list to find out more, and received frequent invitations to London premises to watch 3D printing discussions and demonstrations, etc (with alcoholic refreshments!). Unfortunately, many of the early machines were of low quality and very slow to operate, and many products clearly had little input from designers. As a result, it often seemed as if one was having to buy an expensive machine and then pay around ?25 to take a couple of days to make a tiny plastic toy not even fit for inclusion in a cheap Christmas cracker. Times have changed, and higher quality 3D printers are now available for domestic use. If interested in receiving news on the subject, you might consider subscribing to iMakr. Details are at: https://www.imakr.com/ If you visit their London premises, you should be able to get a quote for having the parts you need made on a 3D printer. KW On Sun, 30 Dec 2018 at 12:18, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 < tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote: > A couple of things lately have interested me in the thought of buying a > low cost 3D printer. > > How do you make the gas cylinders on a 1/12 scale model of a Vinten 419 > ped? Neil Dormand has a grandson with a printer....... > > What if your wife's 1960s game of Buccaneer is missing some "gold bars"? > My son has a friend with a 3d printer...... > > Hmmm - should I have a 3D printer? I've been looking around at reviews > from magazines and on YouTube, and the Creality Ender 3D Pro seems a > possibility, if I do decide to buy one. So off to YouTube to look at > reviews for that particular machine - > > "Hi Guys, wazzappp?" Click > "Hello, you'll have seen my last three..." Click > > Etc > > Then I found this - > https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCh_ugKacslKhsGGdXP0cRRA/videos . It's > certainly different, but the lady turns out to know what she's at. > > Now I need to make some of these, as put together in (free) Blender, so > that we can once again play the favourite board game of Pauline's childhood > > B > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: ckmcdgfiepihgibp.png Type: image/png Size: 12400 bytes Desc: not available URL: From hughsheppard at btinternet.com Sun Dec 30 08:53:29 2018 From: hughsheppard at btinternet.com (Hugh Sheppard) Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2018 14:53:29 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] June Whitfield RIP Message-ID: <14d612cc-c665-08b4-09bc-1441bfc2d1b8@btinternet.com> So many of us will have memories of the late, great Dame June Whitfield. Listening at lunchtime to a reprise with Joanna Lumley, made when June was 90, brought a lot back, but not perhaps the claim to her fame I can recall from the time of a proud moment in being allocated Camera 3 on 'Hancock' - 'The Bedsitter' in May 1961. ("Bi - cus - pid" - Two - swearing - teeth" as a close-up in the wardrobe mirror; that was me).?? June played the landlady of Anthony Aloysius St. John Hancock, and the recollection I carry was that Tony Hancock loved working with her thanks to her precision; a less than obvious but essential attribute. Whatever the line or bit of business June contributed, she always performed it precisely in the same way, or as re-directed by Duncan Wood; spot-on every time from first rehearsal to transmission. Hancock's b?te noirewas playing against someone whose phrasing or timing was even slightly amiss; only a June Whitfield, Patrick Cargill and a Hugh Lloyd etc. were up to his exacting standards. Lesser cast members trembled in case he stopped a rehearsal mid-line to say he couldn't go on with them because something hadn't been quite the same. After the last Ep. of 6, Ray Simpson and Alan Galton held court on the studio floor. Naively I asked what would be next. "Next'"? One of them said, "There is no next. That was it; that was him!" And so it turned out to be; at least for the BBC. Hugh -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I also read about > a machine for making scrap plastic into a filament for use in a 3D > printer, but I expect the printer makers will claim that you must use > only their products. The business model isn't the same. Laser and ink-jet printers can go to great lengths to prevent users employing third party ink or toner - that way the manufacturers can recoup the costs of a loss-leader machine later. 3D filament printers are almost invariably able to use any source material, so the machinery has to be priced honestly. What you pay for on better machines is higher accuracy of construction. Much like lathes the precision of the screw threads, and X/Y drives is what governs the final result. If you want to produce a model with a 0.2mm precision then you have to have positional systems with that level of accuracy and resolution. The materials aren't ~that~ expensive. A kg of filament goes quite a long way. Even in professional use I'm not running through plastic ~that~ fast. You ~can~ recycle filament but I think that's only likely to be of interest to the very heavy commercial users. More to the point is the need for a desiccator to dry out filament - many materials will only extrude cleanly if they are really dry. Many 3D printers ~are~ quite slow, because you may want to lay down a very fine thread from the extruder, and be sure that it sticks to the layer below - that can impose limits to the traverse speed of the head, as well as the vertical layer thickness. Obviously size is everything - I've just printed out 3 small special purpose circlips (in nylon) and they took 3 mins (+ the time to heat the bed). A 120mm diameter jar lid with a 4-start screw thread took about 6 hours. Some of my complex prototypes can have the machine running 12 hours. But there's enormous pleasure in setting the machine running before close-of-play and picking up the model to work with next morning. To be honest I'm not sure many hobby users could really justify a desktop machine. You really do need to have quite a good reason to be running the gear to justify the cash outlay. The Ultimaker cost me ~?3k and the filament is ?30 - ?50 a drum. Professionally it is a must-have for my sort of work. You do also need to be adept at 3D drawing. Again, I can justify the high cost of Solidworks, and have many years of experience using it. I'm sure there are lower/no-cost 3D drawing programs, but I don't know how easy they are to use or learn. Chris Woolf > > > > On Sun, 30 Dec 2018 at 12:18, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 > > wrote: > > A couple of things lately have interested me in the thought of > buying a low cost 3D printer. > > How do you make the gas cylinders on a 1/12 scale model of a > Vinten 419 ped? Neil Dormand has a grandson with a printer....... > > What if your wife's 1960s game of Buccaneer is missing some "gold > bars"?? My son has a friend with a 3d printer...... > > Hmmm - should I have a 3D printer??? I've been looking around at > reviews from magazines and on YouTube, and the Creality Ender 3D > Pro seems a possibility, if I do decide to buy one. So off to > YouTube to look at reviews for that particular machine - > > "Hi Guys, wazzappp?" Click > "Hello, you'll have seen my last three..." Click > > Etc > > Then I found this - > https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCh_ugKacslKhsGGdXP0cRRA/videos . > It's certainly different, but the lady turns out to know what > she's at. > > Now I need to make some of these, as put together in (free) > Blender, so that we can once again play the favourite board game > of Pauline's childhood > > B > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: ckmcdgfiepihgibp.png Type: image/png Size: 12400 bytes Desc: not available URL: From blockleypartnership at gmail.com Sun Dec 30 12:50:05 2018 From: blockleypartnership at gmail.com (C. A Blockley) Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2018 18:50:05 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Correction Message-ID: <2E34D5A9-01B7-4C7E-92F3-46C9CDF9AE72@gmail.com> Note correct email GordonBlockley34 at gmail.com Sorry Gordon Blockley Sent from my iPad From graeme.wall at icloud.com Sun Dec 30 12:59:26 2018 From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall) Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2018 18:59:26 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] June Whitfield RIP In-Reply-To: <14d612cc-c665-08b4-09bc-1441bfc2d1b8@btinternet.com> References: <14d612cc-c665-08b4-09bc-1441bfc2d1b8@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <009F4770-2555-4F22-BAFE-3C407821E248@icloud.com> Worked with her on Terry and June, lovely lady to work with. ? Graeme Wall > On 30 Dec 2018, at 14:53, Hugh Sheppard via Tech1 wrote: > > So many of us will have memories of the late, great Dame June Whitfield. Listening at lunchtime to a reprise with Joanna Lumley, made when June was 90, brought a lot back, but not perhaps the claim to her fame I can recall from the time of a proud moment in being allocated Camera 3 on 'Hancock' - 'The Bedsitter' in May 1961. ("Bi - cus - pid" - Two - swearing - teeth" as a close-up in the wardrobe mirror; that was me). June played the landlady of Anthony Aloysius St. John Hancock, and the recollection I carry was that Tony Hancock loved working with her thanks to her precision; a less than obvious but essential attribute. Whatever the line or bit of business June contributed, she always performed it precisely in the same way, or as re-directed by Duncan Wood; spot-on every time from first rehearsal to transmission. > > Hancock's b?te noire was playing against someone whose phrasing or timing was even slightly amiss; only a June Whitfield, Patrick Cargill and a Hugh Lloyd etc. were up to his exacting standards. Lesser cast members trembled in case he stopped a rehearsal mid-line to say he couldn't go on with them because something hadn't been quite the same. > > After the last Ep. of 6, Ray Simpson and Alan Galton held court on the studio floor. Naively I asked what would be next. "Next'"? One of them said, "There is no next. That was it; that was him!" And so it turned out to be; at least for the BBC. > > > > Hugh > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From gary_critcher at yahoo.com Sun Dec 30 16:24:16 2018 From: gary_critcher at yahoo.com (Gary Critcher) Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2018 22:24:16 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Tech1] Can I take you back to the summer of 1986...? (photo ident question) References: <1660488560.17030683.1546208657576.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1660488560.17030683.1546208657576@mail.yahoo.com> ?I'm just starting to go through some 35mm negatives that will hopefully supply images for my second book....that's if the first one sells OK! ? We're in the Brands Hatch pitlane for that years British Grand Prix and one of the images is this one, featuring British driver Derek Warwick in his? Brabham. ? Not sure if I will use it yet, but am wondering if any of you might recognise any of the camera crews that are in the picture? Even if you can't,? some info on the gear they are using would be handy anyway. ?? Over to you, lads. Oh, and all the best for the New Year. ??? Best regards, Gary C | | Virus-free. www.avg.com | -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The two projects I'm currently interested in are being done by nice people who already have the machines, but maybe in the future...... I watched a demo of Solidworks, and it's far more intuitive than Blender, though it's intended for a different purpose. Its price of course is infinitely more, so for the few things I need, I'll stick to the free software and suffer on. And in the meantime I'll watch the impressive Naomi Wu build loudspeakers etc B On 30/12/2018 15:12, Chris Woolf via Tech1 wrote: > > > On 30/12/2018 13:47, Keith Wicks via Tech1 wrote: >> A few years ago, I was considering purchasing a 3D printer ? until I >> discovered the high prices for decent machines, I expect their prices >> will tumble eventually, just as laser printer prices have. >> Materials for printing are also very expensive and I expect that >> their prices will be maintained, just as printer ink prices have been >> (more expensive than good Champagne, I remember reading). I also read >> about a machine for making scrap plastic into a filament for use in a >> 3D printer, but I expect the printer makers will claim that you must >> use only their products. > > The business model isn't the same. Laser and ink-jet printers can go > to great lengths to prevent users employing third party ink or toner - > that way the manufacturers can recoup the costs of a loss-leader > machine later. > > 3D filament printers are almost invariably able to use any source > material, so the machinery has to be priced honestly. What you pay for > on better machines is higher accuracy of construction. Much like > lathes the precision of the screw threads, and X/Y drives is what > governs the final result. If you want to produce a model with a 0.2mm > precision then you have to have positional systems with that level of > accuracy and resolution. > > The materials aren't ~that~ expensive. A kg of filament goes quite a > long way. Even in professional use I'm not running through plastic > ~that~ fast. You ~can~ recycle filament but I think that's only likely > to be of interest to the very heavy commercial users. More to the > point is the need for a desiccator to dry out filament - many > materials will only extrude cleanly if they are really dry. > > Many 3D printers ~are~ quite slow, because you may want to lay down a > very fine thread from the extruder, and be sure that it sticks to the > layer below - that can impose limits to the traverse speed of the > head, as well as the vertical layer thickness. Obviously size is > everything - I've just printed out 3 small special purpose circlips > (in nylon) and they took 3 mins (+ the time to heat the bed). A 120mm > diameter jar lid with a 4-start screw thread took about 6 hours. Some > of my complex prototypes can have the machine running 12 hours. But > there's enormous pleasure in setting the machine running before > close-of-play and picking up the model to work with next morning. > > To be honest I'm not sure many hobby users could really justify a > desktop machine. You really do need to have quite a good reason to be > running the gear to justify the cash outlay. The Ultimaker cost me > ~?3k and the filament is ?30 - ?50 a drum. Professionally it is a > must-have for my sort of work. > > You do also need to be adept at 3D drawing. Again, I can justify the > high cost of Solidworks, and have many years of experience using it. > I'm sure there are lower/no-cost 3D drawing programs, but I don't know > how easy they are to use or learn. > > Chris Woolf > >> >> >> >> On Sun, 30 Dec 2018 at 12:18, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 >> > wrote: >> >> A couple of things lately have interested me in the thought of >> buying a low cost 3D printer. >> >> How do you make the gas cylinders on a 1/12 scale model of a >> Vinten 419 ped? Neil Dormand has a grandson with a printer....... >> >> What if your wife's 1960s game of Buccaneer is missing some "gold >> bars"?? My son has a friend with a 3d printer...... >> >> Hmmm - should I have a 3D printer??? I've been looking around at >> reviews from magazines and on YouTube, and the Creality Ender 3D >> Pro seems a possibility, if I do decide to buy one. So off to >> YouTube to look at reviews for that particular machine - >> >> "Hi Guys, wazzappp?" Click >> "Hello, you'll have seen my last three..." Click >> >> Etc >> >> Then I found this - >> https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCh_ugKacslKhsGGdXP0cRRA/videos . >> It's certainly different, but the lady turns out to know what >> she's at. >> >> Now I need to make some of these, as put together in (free) >> Blender, so that we can once again play the favourite board game >> of Pauline's childhood >> >> B >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> >> > > > Virus-free. www.avast.com > > > > <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: ckmcdgfiepihgibp.png Type: image/png Size: 12400 bytes Desc: not available URL: From waresound at msn.com Mon Dec 31 05:03:28 2018 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2018 11:03:28 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Can I take you back to the summer of 1986...? (photo ident question) In-Reply-To: <1660488560.17030683.1546208657576@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1660488560.17030683.1546208657576.ref@mail.yahoo.com>, <1660488560.17030683.1546208657576@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I think the foreground camera is a Sony BVP-30p tube front end with a BVV-1 onboard Betacam recorder. The later BVV-5 Beta SP was a darker grey colour. Just guessing, but I think chip cameras were a fair bit later than plain old Betacam. The sound recordist next to him seems dis-interinterested in him, so BVP-30 man could be on hs own with camera mic. The guy top right has a BVW-35 round his neck, or if he?s really unlucky it might be a BVU-110 (U-matic), or even worse, a 1? BVH-500. His long mic, a Sennheiser 805 or 815 in Rycote. No telling what that camera is, or who they are. A nice frozen moment in time, though - quite nostalgic. Best, Nick. Sent from my iPad On 30 Dec 2018, at 22:26, Gary Critcher via Tech1 > wrote: I'm just starting to go through some 35mm negatives that will hopefully supply images for my second book....that's if the first one sells OK! We're in the Brands Hatch pitlane for that years British Grand Prix and one of the images is this one, featuring British driver Derek Warwick in his Brabham. Not sure if I will use it yet, but am wondering if any of you might recognise any of the camera crews that are in the picture? Even if you can't, some info on the gear they are using would be handy anyway. Over to you, lads. Oh, and all the best for the New Year. Best regards, Gary C [https://ipmcdn.avast.com/images/icons/icon-envelope-tick-green-avg-v1.png] Virus-free. www.avg.com -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graeme.wall at icloud.com Mon Dec 31 05:52:16 2018 From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2018 11:52:16 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Can I take you back to the summer of 1986...? (photo ident question) In-Reply-To: References: <1660488560.17030683.1546208657576.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1660488560.17030683.1546208657576@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: The guy top right might have a BVU-50, the record only version of the 110. Somewhat lighter to carry; both TVS and the regional BBC news camera crews in the south used them. 1? on news was quite rare. ? Graeme Wall > On 31 Dec 2018, at 11:03, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: > > I think the foreground camera is a Sony BVP-30p tube front end with a BVV-1 onboard Betacam recorder. The later BVV-5 Beta SP was a darker grey colour. Just guessing, but I think chip cameras were a fair bit later than plain old Betacam. The sound recordist next to him seems dis-interinterested in him, so BVP-30 man could be on hs own with camera mic. > The guy top right has a BVW-35 round his neck, or if he?s really unlucky it might be a BVU-110 (U-matic), or even worse, a 1? BVH-500. His long mic, a Sennheiser 805 or 815 in Rycote. No telling what that camera is, or who they are. > A nice frozen moment in time, though - quite nostalgic. > Best, > Nick. > Sent from my iPad > > On 30 Dec 2018, at 22:26, Gary Critcher via Tech1 wrote: > >> I'm just starting to go through some 35mm negatives that will hopefully supply images for my second book....that's if the first one sells OK! >> >> We're in the Brands Hatch pitlane for that years British Grand Prix and one of the images is this one, featuring British driver Derek Warwick in his Brabham. >> >> Not sure if I will use it yet, but am wondering if any of you might recognise any of the camera crews that are in the picture? >> Even if you can't, some info on the gear they are using would be handy anyway. >> >> Over to you, lads. >> >> >> >> Oh, and all the best for the New Year. >> >> Best regards, >> Gary C >> >> Virus-free. www.avg.com >> >> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From ian.hillson at gmail.com Mon Dec 31 06:18:30 2018 From: ian.hillson at gmail.com (Ian H) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2018 12:18:30 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] June Whitfield RIP In-Reply-To: <009F4770-2555-4F22-BAFE-3C407821E248@icloud.com> References: <14d612cc-c665-08b4-09bc-1441bfc2d1b8@btinternet.com> <009F4770-2555-4F22-BAFE-3C407821E248@icloud.com> Message-ID: Lost among the many Twitter tributes were the following: JON PLOWMAN @bimpsonbun1 *"Very sad at the news of the death of the wonderful June Whitfield . There was no-one with more warmth or a better ability to just "place" a line , always an act of utter precision. Hit after hit! Take it from Here, Terry and June, Absolutely Fabulous - over seven decades. A great loss"* Miranda Hart @mermhart *"So very sad. I once sent a letter to many actors as a budding (I mean desperate) comedy actor to ask for sponsorship for the Edinburgh Festival. Dame June replied. Fifteen years later when I met her she had all my letters and the notes of the show she sponsored. I cried then too."* (Retweeted BBC Breaking News) On Sun, Dec 30, 2018 at 6:59 PM Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote: > Worked with her on Terry and June, lovely lady to work with. > > ? > Graeme Wall > > > > On 30 Dec 2018, at 14:53, Hugh Sheppard via Tech1 > wrote: > > > > So many of us will have memories of the late, great Dame June Whitfield. > Listening at lunchtime to a reprise with Joanna Lumley, made when June was > 90, brought a lot back, but not perhaps the claim to her fame I can recall > from the time of a proud moment in being allocated Camera 3 on 'Hancock' - > 'The Bedsitter' in May 1961. ("Bi - cus - pid" - Two - swearing - teeth" as > a close-up in the wardrobe mirror; that was me). June played the landlady > of Anthony Aloysius St. John Hancock, and the recollection I carry was that > Tony Hancock loved working with her thanks to her precision; a less than > obvious but essential attribute. Whatever the line or bit of business June > contributed, she always performed it precisely in the same way, or as > re-directed by Duncan Wood; spot-on every time from first rehearsal to > transmission. > > > > Hancock's b?te noire was playing against someone whose phrasing or > timing was even slightly amiss; only a June Whitfield, Patrick Cargill and > a Hugh Lloyd etc. were up to his exacting standards. Lesser cast members > trembled in case he stopped a rehearsal mid-line to say he couldn't go on > with them because something hadn't been quite the same. > > > > After the last Ep. of 6, Ray Simpson and Alan Galton held court on the > studio floor. Naively I asked what would be next. "Next'"? One of them > said, "There is no next. That was it; that was him!" And so it turned out > to be; at least for the BBC. > > > > > > > > Hugh > > > > -- > > Tech1 mailing list > > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ian.hillson at gmail.com Mon Dec 31 06:22:28 2018 From: ian.hillson at gmail.com (Ian H) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2018 12:22:28 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Can I take you back to the summer of 1986...? (photo ident question) In-Reply-To: References: <1660488560.17030683.1546208657576.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1660488560.17030683.1546208657576@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Beeb News used Ikegami with separate BVU recorders. ITN used Sony kit. (contribution ends) On Mon, Dec 31, 2018 at 11:03 AM Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: > I think the foreground camera is a Sony BVP-30p tube front end with a > BVV-1 onboard Betacam recorder. The later BVV-5 Beta SP was a darker grey > colour. Just guessing, but I think chip cameras were a fair bit later than > plain old Betacam. The sound recordist next to him seems > dis-interinterested in him, so BVP-30 man could be on hs own with camera > mic. > The guy top right has a BVW-35 round his neck, or if he?s really unlucky > it might be a BVU-110 (U-matic), or even worse, a 1? BVH-500. His long mic, > a Sennheiser 805 or 815 in Rycote. No telling what that camera is, or who > they are. > A nice frozen moment in time, though - quite nostalgic. > Best, > Nick. > Sent from my iPad > > On 30 Dec 2018, at 22:26, Gary Critcher via Tech1 > wrote: > > I'm just starting to go through some 35mm negatives that will hopefully > supply images for my second book....that's if the first one sells OK! > > We're in the Brands Hatch pitlane for that years British Grand Prix and > one of the images is this one, featuring British driver Derek Warwick in > his Brabham. > > Not sure if I will use it yet, but am wondering if any of you might > recognise any of the camera crews that are in the picture? > Even if you can't, some info on the gear they are using would be handy > anyway. > > Over to you, lads. > > > > Oh, and all the best for the New Year. > > Best regards, > Gary C > > > Virus-free. > www.avg.com > > <#m_4935636196496831369_DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > > > > > > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From relong at btinternet.com Mon Dec 31 07:35:11 2018 From: relong at btinternet.com (Roger E Long) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2018 13:35:11 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Can I take you back to the summer of 1986...? (photo ident question) In-Reply-To: References: <1660488560.17030683.1546208657576.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1660488560.17030683.1546208657576@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8A1BFFED-9120-454C-A350-BBFA7410854B@btinternet.com> Those early tube cameras and portable vtrs were really dreadful bits of Kit Especially Sony We preferred the Ike, it seemed slightly film like in its ergonomics We had a conference weekend with Sony, in a plush hotel, a nice freebie, they even gave us a Sony branded Swiss army knife! We showed them a Nagra IV and a Arri Sr, also a SQN mixer Still they came back with a ghastley compromise, even with the early chip Beta Cams The Sony DigiBeta got somewhere near a good solution, it then all went tits up with the Sony PD150 and cheap and cheerful one man band ?self shooters? For this I blame the BBC and its Community Affairs unit, which enabled a host of idiots to pick up camera and wobble. Im not nostalgic for all that We went backwards from crystal sync freedom ,and the ingenious Swiss Nagra to servitude and machine minding?. Roger > On 31 Dec 2018, at 12:22, Ian H via Tech1 wrote: > > Beeb News used Ikegami with separate BVU recorders. ITN used Sony kit. > (contribution ends) > > On Mon, Dec 31, 2018 at 11:03 AM Nick Ware via Tech1 > wrote: > I think the foreground camera is a Sony BVP-30p tube front end with a BVV-1 onboard Betacam recorder. The later BVV-5 Beta SP was a darker grey colour. Just guessing, but I think chip cameras were a fair bit later than plain old Betacam. The sound recordist next to him seems dis-interinterested in him, so BVP-30 man could be on hs own with camera mic. > The guy top right has a BVW-35 round his neck, or if he?s really unlucky it might be a BVU-110 (U-matic), or even worse, a 1? BVH-500. His long mic, a Sennheiser 805 or 815 in Rycote. No telling what that camera is, or who they are. > A nice frozen moment in time, though - quite nostalgic. > Best, > Nick. > Sent from my iPad > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From waresound at msn.com Mon Dec 31 09:01:19 2018 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2018 15:01:19 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Can I take you back to the summer of 1986...? (photo ident question) In-Reply-To: <8A1BFFED-9120-454C-A350-BBFA7410854B@btinternet.com> References: <1660488560.17030683.1546208657576.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1660488560.17030683.1546208657576@mail.yahoo.com> <8A1BFFED-9120-454C-A350-BBFA7410854B@btinternet.com> Message-ID: And now, nearly 20 years into the 21st Century, I find myself doing mostly corporate work. A typical setup will be two Canon C300 Mk2 cameras, that camera being such a contraption I have to build them every time. Invariably we shoot the same size all the way through, but on 4k so that the editor can re-frame in Post. Cfast cards are so expensive that we have to carry a laptop and portable HDD?s to copy the material off for the client. At 4k that can waste an hour after the shoot finishes, longer than the de-rig itself takes. Mostly, the client is in the US, doing the interview over FaceTime. We wrap, do the copying, then have to find a FedEx pickup point to send the HDD overnight. Oh, and on top of all that, there?s the mp3 to upload. Oh for the days when we just popped the tape and handed it over, then walked away. That?s the nostalgic bit! But hey, the money?s good, so keep it coming! Happy New Year to you all. Nick. Sent from my iPad On 31 Dec 2018, at 13:35, Roger E Long > wrote: Those early tube cameras and portable vtrs were really dreadful bits of Kit Especially Sony We preferred the Ike, it seemed slightly film like in its ergonomics We had a conference weekend with Sony, in a plush hotel, a nice freebie, they even gave us a Sony branded Swiss army knife! We showed them a Nagra IV and a Arri Sr, also a SQN mixer Still they came back with a ghastley compromise, even with the early chip Beta Cams The Sony DigiBeta got somewhere near a good solution, it then all went tits up with the Sony PD150 and cheap and cheerful one man band ?self shooters? For this I blame the BBC and its Community Affairs unit, which enabled a host of idiots to pick up camera and wobble. Im not nostalgic for all that We went backwards from crystal sync freedom ,and the ingenious Swiss Nagra to servitude and machine minding?. Roger On 31 Dec 2018, at 12:22, Ian H via Tech1 > wrote: Beeb News used Ikegami with separate BVU recorders. ITN used Sony kit. (contribution ends) On Mon, Dec 31, 2018 at 11:03 AM Nick Ware via Tech1 > wrote: I think the foreground camera is a Sony BVP-30p tube front end with a BVV-1 onboard Betacam recorder. The later BVV-5 Beta SP was a darker grey colour. Just guessing, but I think chip cameras were a fair bit later than plain old Betacam. The sound recordist next to him seems dis-interinterested in him, so BVP-30 man could be on hs own with camera mic. The guy top right has a BVW-35 round his neck, or if he?s really unlucky it might be a BVU-110 (U-matic), or even worse, a 1? BVH-500. His long mic, a Sennheiser 805 or 815 in Rycote. No telling what that camera is, or who they are. A nice frozen moment in time, though - quite nostalgic. Best, Nick. Sent from my iPad -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Waresound at msn.com Mon Dec 31 10:18:11 2018 From: Waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2018 16:18:11 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Can I take you back to the summer of 1986...? (photo ident question) In-Reply-To: <8A1BFFED-9120-454C-A350-BBFA7410854B@btinternet.com> References: <1660488560.17030683.1546208657576.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1660488560.17030683.1546208657576@mail.yahoo.com> , <8A1BFFED-9120-454C-A350-BBFA7410854B@btinternet.com> Message-ID: Actually, on reflection, I feel the need to come out in defence of Sony. Right from the start, the Sony 330, and the on-the-shoulder camcorders that followed it, got the ergonomics pretty damn right. So much so that the Ikegami HL79A, 79D and HL95, plus all the Panasonic offerings, followed much the same basic layout. If that?s not a tribute, I don?t know what is! And if you look now at the current Sony models, the general layout of the PXW-X400 hasn?t changed much at all. Slap on a battery, bung in a tape (card), and off you go, even if the last time you saw one was 30 years ago! As I remember it, we all agreed at the time that Ikegami colorimetry had a nicer look, but that argument was about as pointless as saying Kodak was better than Agfa. I think if you showed Sony an Arri SR as the way to go, they would have been too polite to laugh at you, but inwardly would have done. The PD150 was aimed at a completely different user/market. You can hardly blame Sony for the fact that the likes of the Beeb saw it as a way of doing away with ?proper? crewing. What the Beeb failed to recognise was that, OK, here?s a cheaper more basic camera, but you still need a skilled cameraman! Where we have gone backwards is that whereas back then, the camera was self contained with the exception of the battery, you now get a body onto which you have to attach all manner of crap just to get it working. Nick. Sent from my iPad On 31 Dec 2018, at 13:35, Roger E Long > wrote: Those early tube cameras and portable vtrs were really dreadful bits of Kit Especially Sony We preferred the Ike, it seemed slightly film like in its ergonomics We had a conference weekend with Sony, in a plush hotel, a nice freebie, they even gave us a Sony branded Swiss army knife! We showed them a Nagra IV and a Arri Sr, also a SQN mixer Still they came back with a ghastley compromise, even with the early chip Beta Cams The Sony DigiBeta got somewhere near a good solution, it then all went tits up with the Sony PD150 and cheap and cheerful one man band ?self shooters? For this I blame the BBC and its Community Affairs unit, which enabled a host of idiots to pick up camera and wobble. Im not nostalgic for all that We went backwards from crystal sync freedom ,and the ingenious Swiss Nagra to servitude and machine minding?. Roger On 31 Dec 2018, at 12:22, Ian H via Tech1 > wrote: Beeb News used Ikegami with separate BVU recorders. ITN used Sony kit. (contribution ends) On Mon, Dec 31, 2018 at 11:03 AM Nick Ware via Tech1 > wrote: I think the foreground camera is a Sony BVP-30p tube front end with a BVV-1 onboard Betacam recorder. The later BVV-5 Beta SP was a darker grey colour. Just guessing, but I think chip cameras were a fair bit later than plain old Betacam. The sound recordist next to him seems dis-interinterested in him, so BVP-30 man could be on hs own with camera mic. The guy top right has a BVW-35 round his neck, or if he?s really unlucky it might be a BVU-110 (U-matic), or even worse, a 1? BVH-500. His long mic, a Sennheiser 805 or 815 in Rycote. No telling what that camera is, or who they are. A nice frozen moment in time, though - quite nostalgic. Best, Nick. Sent from my iPad -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graeme.wall at icloud.com Mon Dec 31 10:46:21 2018 From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2018 16:46:21 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Can I take you back to the summer of 1986...? (photo ident question) In-Reply-To: References: <1660488560.17030683.1546208657576.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1660488560.17030683.1546208657576@mail.yahoo.com> <8A1BFFED-9120-454C-A350-BBFA7410854B@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <42802C7F-775C-47BD-B6EA-C0C9DD234554@icloud.com> It?s been downhil since the EMI 2001! ? Graeme Wall > On 31 Dec 2018, at 16:18, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: > > Actually, on reflection, I feel the need to come out in defence of Sony. > Right from the start, the Sony 330, and the on-the-shoulder camcorders that followed it, got the ergonomics pretty damn right. So much so that the Ikegami HL79A, 79D and HL95, plus all the Panasonic offerings, followed much the same basic layout. If that?s not a tribute, I don?t know what is! And if you look now at the current Sony models, the general layout of the PXW-X400 hasn?t changed much at all. Slap on a battery, bung in a tape (card), and off you go, even if the last time you saw one was 30 years ago! > As I remember it, we all agreed at the time that Ikegami colorimetry had a nicer look, but that argument was about as pointless as saying Kodak was better than Agfa. > I think if you showed Sony an Arri SR as the way to go, they would have been too polite to laugh at you, but inwardly would have done. > > The PD150 was aimed at a completely different user/market. You can hardly blame Sony for the fact that the likes of the Beeb saw it as a way of doing away with ?proper? crewing. What the Beeb failed to recognise was that, OK, here?s a cheaper more basic camera, but you still need a skilled cameraman! > > Where we have gone backwards is that whereas back then, the camera was self contained with the exception of the battery, you now get a body onto which you have to attach all manner of crap just to get it working. > Nick. > Sent from my iPad > > On 31 Dec 2018, at 13:35, Roger E Long wrote: > >> Those early tube cameras and portable vtrs were really dreadful bits of Kit >> Especially Sony >> We preferred the Ike, it seemed slightly film like in its ergonomics >> We had a conference weekend with Sony, in a plush hotel, a nice freebie, they even gave us a Sony branded Swiss army knife! >> We showed them a Nagra IV and a Arri Sr, also a SQN mixer >> Still they came back with a ghastley compromise, even with the early chip Beta Cams >> The Sony DigiBeta got somewhere near a good solution, it then all went tits up with the Sony PD150 and cheap and cheerful one man band ?self shooters? >> For this I blame the BBC and its Community Affairs unit, which enabled a host of idiots to pick up camera and wobble. >> Im not nostalgic for all that >> We went backwards from crystal sync freedom ,and the ingenious Swiss Nagra to servitude and machine minding?. >> Roger >>> On 31 Dec 2018, at 12:22, Ian H via Tech1 wrote: >>> >>> Beeb News used Ikegami with separate BVU recorders. ITN used Sony kit. >>> (contribution ends) >>> >>> On Mon, Dec 31, 2018 at 11:03 AM Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: >>> I think the foreground camera is a Sony BVP-30p tube front end with a BVV-1 onboard Betacam recorder. The later BVV-5 Beta SP was a darker grey colour. Just guessing, but I think chip cameras were a fair bit later than plain old Betacam. The sound recordist next to him seems dis-interinterested in him, so BVP-30 man could be on hs own with camera mic. >>> The guy top right has a BVW-35 round his neck, or if he?s really unlucky it might be a BVU-110 (U-matic), or even worse, a 1? BVH-500. His long mic, a Sennheiser 805 or 815 in Rycote. No telling what that camera is, or who they are. >>> A nice frozen moment in time, though - quite nostalgic. >>> Best, >>> Nick. >>> Sent from my iPad >>> >> > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk Mon Dec 31 11:57:04 2018 From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2018 17:57:04 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Can I take you back to the summer of 1986...? (photo ident question) In-Reply-To: References: <1660488560.17030683.1546208657576.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1660488560.17030683.1546208657576@mail.yahoo.com> <8A1BFFED-9120-454C-A350-BBFA7410854B@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <519ce927-6dc7-54a4-ee47-d44c2912666f@chriswoolf.co.uk> I think that's a fair defence. Sony (mainly) have been very good at producing cameras that were eminently portable and provided as good a picture ~at the time~ as was feasible. They have continued to do so, and in the right hands the pictures are frankly magnificent - beyond anything we dreamt of back in the old days. High class pictures by candle-light? Was never feasible in the past but can look magical now. That users have wanted to employ the cameras with untrained and incompetent operators is not Sony's fault. Moreover, as a company producing machinery, we can't blame them (or Canon) for providing whatever the new style of customer demands. We may moan at the way things are going - and I'm one who does because I can barely ever find anything in (so-called) film or TV that I want to watch, unless it was produced 20 or more years ago - but we also happily snap away with the cameras on our phones, using them for all manner of purposes in a way that would have been unthinkable in the days of a 2001. What's more the damn things actually give quite good results. Chris Woolf On 31/12/2018 16:18, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: > Actually, on reflection, I feel the need to come out in defence of Sony. > Right from the start, the Sony 330, and the on-the-shoulder camcorders > that followed it, got the ergonomics pretty damn right. So much so > that the Ikegami HL79A, 79D and HL95, plus all the Panasonic > offerings, followed much the same basic layout. If that?s not a > tribute, I don?t know what is! And if you look now at the current Sony > models, the general layout of the PXW-X400 hasn?t changed much at all. > Slap on a battery, bung in a tape (card), and off you go, even if the > last time you saw one was 30 years ago! > As I remember it, we all agreed at the time that Ikegami colorimetry > had a nicer look, but that argument was about as pointless as saying > Kodak was better than Agfa. > I think if you showed Sony an Arri SR as the way to go, they would > have been too polite to laugh at you, but inwardly would have done. > > The PD150 was aimed at a completely different user/market. You can > hardly blame Sony for the fact that the likes of the Beeb saw it as a > way of doing away with ?proper? crewing. What the Beeb failed to > recognise was that, OK, here?s a cheaper more basic camera, but you > still need a skilled cameraman! > > Where we have gone backwards is that whereas back then, the camera was > self contained with the exception of the battery, you now get a body > onto which you have to attach all manner of crap just to get it working. > Nick. > Sent from my iPad > > On 31 Dec 2018, at 13:35, Roger E Long > wrote: > >> Those early tube cameras and portable vtrs were really dreadful bits >> of Kit >> Especially Sony >> We preferred the Ike, it seemed slightly film like in its ergonomics >> We had a conference weekend with Sony, in a plush hotel, a nice >> freebie, they even gave us a Sony branded Swiss army knife! >> We showed them a Nagra IV and a Arri Sr, also a SQN mixer >> Still they came back with a ghastley compromise, even with the early >> chip Beta Cams >> The Sony DigiBeta got somewhere near a good solution, it then all >> went tits up with the Sony PD150 and cheap and cheerful one man band >> ?self shooters? >> For this I blame the BBC and its Community Affairs unit, which >> enabled a host of idiots to pick up camera and wobble. >> Im not nostalgic for all that >> We went backwards from crystal sync freedom ,and the ingenious Swiss >> Nagra to servitude and machine minding?. >> Roger >>> On 31 Dec 2018, at 12:22, Ian H via Tech1 >> > wrote: >>> >>> Beeb News used Ikegami with separate BVU recorders.? ITN used Sony kit. >>> (contribution ends) >>> >>> On Mon, Dec 31, 2018 at 11:03 AM Nick Ware via Tech1 >>> > wrote: >>> >>> I think the foreground camera is a Sony BVP-30p tube front end >>> with a BVV-1 onboard Betacam recorder. The later BVV-5 Beta SP >>> was a darker grey colour. Just guessing, but I think chip >>> cameras were a fair bit later than plain old Betacam. The sound >>> recordist next to him seems ?dis-interinterested in him, so >>> BVP-30 man could be on hs own with camera mic. >>> The guy top right has a BVW-35 round his neck, or if he?s really >>> unlucky it might be a BVU-110 (U-matic), or even worse, a 1? >>> BVH-500. His long mic, a Sennheiser 805 or 815 in Rycote. No >>> telling what that camera is, or who they are. >>> A nice frozen moment in time, though - quite nostalgic. >>> Best, >>> Nick. >>> Sent from my iPad >>> >> > --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bernie833 at gmail.com Mon Dec 31 12:40:13 2018 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2018 18:40:13 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Can I take you back to the summer of 1986...? (photo ident question) In-Reply-To: <519ce927-6dc7-54a4-ee47-d44c2912666f@chriswoolf.co.uk> References: <1660488560.17030683.1546208657576.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1660488560.17030683.1546208657576@mail.yahoo.com> <8A1BFFED-9120-454C-A350-BBFA7410854B@btinternet.com> <519ce927-6dc7-54a4-ee47-d44c2912666f@chriswoolf.co.uk> Message-ID: <1ac6906c-f1d3-0778-a7a6-168878645f7e@gmail.com> I wrote this back in 2001. It was an article for the GTC magazine. reading it again after a long time, it still seems to pretty much reflect the way things were and are. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ I stopped being a BBC studio cameraman, and GTC member, 24 years ago, back when men were men etc, etc. For the next good, long time I minded my own business as a producer, sitting in edit suites and studio galleries, standing on grotty locations, and trying to learn how to type up my scripts, back in the office. In late 1995,1 was asked to work on a show called Morning Surgery - Hospital Watch for a daily morning audience. The production had put in a budget of a million and a quarter pounds but had been told they could only have the quarter and they were looking for ways to get round this. I am the guilty person who specified the brand new DV as the answer to their prayers. I created the first BBC DV kit, now seen in their hundreds coming out of White City every day. I cut the foam innards with an electric carving knife in my kitchen, and when nobody in the resource departments would help, soldered up the first sound adaptors at my office desk. I taught science producers to do basic camera and sound, directed the shows and made some of the film inserts. Morning Surgery was hailed as a major technical triumph, and I?ve been lecturing on the fallout from it around the country and the world, ever since. *So ? why DV?* I understand and sympathise with the criticisms from camera people in Zerb and elsewhere ? mostly, they are absolutely right. But to get a proper sense of why,? you have to take a much broader view. Let?s work from the top down?. We live in a market economy ? most of us don?t rear chickens in our gardens on the best corn feed ? we go down to Tescos and buy what?s cheap today. In turn, Tesco buy the cheapest they can get away with selling us ? if they go too down market and we don?t buy, they adjust accordingly. Television is exactly the same. If you are a satellite or cable company, you need product. You aren?t going to get subscribers if you offer a couple of extra channels; you need to offer a bountiful cornucopia of joys to suit all. You aren?t too bothered about what it consists of, so long as it sells and makes a profit. You bundle channels together, so that your punters have to buy as many bundles as possible to get what they want. To get Cartoon Network for my son, I have to buy about four other channels that I may dip into for about five seconds a week or less. It?s cheap, so I don?t worry. If it got expensive, I?d dump Cartoon Network. If you are a programme providing company, you sell what you can, to whom you can, for whatever profit you can make. As a very senior accountant at a major ITV company said to me, ?carriage is all?. If they can sell their product to a cable or satellite company, and you and I buy it in our bundles, they are home free. It doesn?t matter whether we tune in or not ? we?ve paid for the product. Cynical, isn?t it? But the difference between profit and disaster in this area is very narrow ? see Mr Micawber ? so the programming needs to be cheap. You can see where we?re headed here? You are a producer and are offered a long series of docs at ?8,000 per half-hour, instead of ?80,000, do you take it? Well, it depends ? do you want to pay the mortgage or not? Of course you take it, and then you work out how to make it. The first thing you look at is what you can lose and still keep the customer happy ? just like Tescos. You have heard about this DV stuff and seen some good results, so you pitch right in and dump your crews. They cost ?800 a day, so that?s a decent start. A bit later on, you dump your editors too. If the results you provide please the customer, end of story. If not, you argue a lot and they either take their money elsewhere, or give you a bit more and see if things get better ? Tescos again. *Sadly for crafts people, they don?t set the standards, the market does ? he who pays the piper etc. ? and that?s it.* In the UK, the BBC is in a slightly different, but similar situation to the commercial people. They cannot afford, if they are to survive, to be two channels amongst, say, 160. They have to make more product, but they have a fixed income. Yes, they can hack back on the bureaucrats, but programme costs still have to come down. Yes, presenters cost, but presenters sell shows and crews don?t. Yes, sometimes it looks pretty aver age to the professional eye but, if the customer ? in this case a channel controller ? is happy, then that?s that. The BBC and all TV companies are just like Tesco; they do the best they can for the money. *There are other aspects to DV, at the programme making level..* A good crew, or editor, is a joy and a bad one is a nightmare, but sometimes there?s just no substitute, no matter what. But, at the end of a shoot, the crew is off to the next one, whilst the director takes his rushes to the edit suite, in hope and trepidation, and carries that project through till it?s on the air. If he didn?t like what the crew provided, he can go elsewhere next time but, right now, it?s too late. Even the best of crews have to be looked after. They are human beings who are working for you and they need to be managed, one way or another. Take them away and, if you can do DV well enough to please the customer, it?s one less thing to worry about ? you?re on your own, but you look down your own viewfinder, and hear what you are putting onto the tape ? there are no surprises, good or bad. You work for as many hours as you want, and as many days as you want. Sometimes you have to work in delicate situations, and two people from the TV company are far less intimidating than four or five ? or fourteen (in the old ITV days). *The whole DV thing can be very liberating, if you can do it.* Which brings me to training, or the lack of it. It?s true that quite often a researcher, who has done a two-day course and then turns out wince-making results, is replacing a cameraman with many years of experience. This seems stupid and, if it were a fair world, it wouldn?t happen. But it?s not, it?s market driven and all the professional standards in the world aren?t going to make a difference. The customers choose ? first the channel controller, then the viewer ? not the camera crew. But the days of rubbish results are hopefully numbered. More and more often, when shows take their staff on, they want them DV experienced, and want to see proof. So colleges are beginning to turn out people who can do what?s needed ? a different kind of person is beginning to make television, multi-skilled and pretty comfortable with it. *Where does all this leave the traditional camera crew?* Well, if it?s holding a very expensive Beta kit, I?m sorry. Change isn?t going away ? so if you can?t beat ?em, join ?em. There?s a huge shortage of cameramen who don?t insist on bringing macho sized kit and attitudes to the party. A DV camera at ?2,000 is almost identical to a Digibeta at ?40,000 ? it?s not as good, but it?s not a twentieth of the quality, and it has its own very clear advantages ? for example, have you ever done a two-camera shoot in a London taxi? Why not dry hire yourself without your kit, and don?t whinge on about prostituting your art, just because you are holding a VX1000 ? it?s the story that matters, and you can help to tell it. Do you want to pay the mortgage or not? ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ On 31/12/2018 17:57, Chris Woolf via Tech1 wrote: > > I think that's a fair defence. > > Sony (mainly) have been very good at producing cameras that were > eminently portable and provided as good a picture ~at the time~ as was > feasible. They have continued to do so, and in the right hands the > pictures are frankly magnificent - beyond anything we dreamt of back > in the old days. High class pictures by candle-light? Was never > feasible in the past but can look magical now. > > That users have wanted to employ the cameras with untrained and > incompetent operators is not Sony's fault. Moreover, as a company > producing machinery, we can't blame them (or Canon) for providing > whatever the new style of customer demands. > > We may moan at the way things are going - and I'm one who does because > I can barely ever find anything in (so-called) film or TV that I want > to watch, unless it was produced 20 or more years ago - but we also > happily snap away with the cameras on our phones, using them for all > manner of purposes in a way that would have been unthinkable in the > days of a 2001. What's more the damn things actually give quite good > results. > > Chris Woolf > > > On 31/12/2018 16:18, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: >> Actually, on reflection, I feel the need to come out in defence of Sony. >> Right from the start, the Sony 330, and the on-the-shoulder >> camcorders that followed it, got the ergonomics pretty damn right. So >> much so that the Ikegami HL79A, 79D and HL95, plus all the Panasonic >> offerings, followed much the same basic layout. If that?s not a >> tribute, I don?t know what is! And if you look now at the current >> Sony models, the general layout of the PXW-X400 hasn?t changed much >> at all. Slap on a battery, bung in a tape (card), and off you go, >> even if the last time you saw one was 30 years ago! >> As I remember it, we all agreed at the time that Ikegami colorimetry >> had a nicer look, but that argument was about as pointless as saying >> Kodak was better than Agfa. >> I think if you showed Sony an Arri SR as the way to go, they would >> have been too polite to laugh at you, but inwardly would have done. >> >> The PD150 was aimed at a completely different user/market. You can >> hardly blame Sony for the fact that the likes of the Beeb saw it as a >> way of doing away with ?proper? crewing. What the Beeb failed to >> recognise was that, OK, here?s a cheaper more basic camera, but you >> still need a skilled cameraman! >> >> Where we have gone backwards is that whereas back then, the camera >> was self contained with the exception of the battery, you now get a >> body onto which you have to attach all manner of crap just to get it >> working. >> Nick. >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On 31 Dec 2018, at 13:35, Roger E Long > > wrote: >> >>> Those early tube cameras and portable vtrs were really dreadful bits >>> of Kit >>> Especially Sony >>> We preferred the Ike, it seemed slightly film like in its ergonomics >>> We had a conference weekend with Sony, in a plush hotel, a nice >>> freebie, they even gave us a Sony branded Swiss army knife! >>> We showed them a Nagra IV and a Arri Sr, also a SQN mixer >>> Still they came back with a ghastley compromise, even with the early >>> chip Beta Cams >>> The Sony DigiBeta got somewhere near a good solution, it then all >>> went tits up with the Sony PD150 and cheap and cheerful one man band >>> ?self shooters? >>> For this I blame the BBC and its Community Affairs unit, which >>> enabled a host of idiots to pick up camera and wobble. >>> Im not nostalgic for all that >>> We went backwards from crystal sync freedom ,and the ingenious Swiss >>> Nagra to servitude and machine minding?. >>> Roger >>>> On 31 Dec 2018, at 12:22, Ian H via Tech1 >>> > wrote: >>>> >>>> Beeb News used Ikegami with separate BVU recorders.? ITN used Sony >>>> kit. >>>> (contribution ends) >>>> >>>> On Mon, Dec 31, 2018 at 11:03 AM Nick Ware via Tech1 >>>> > wrote: >>>> >>>> I think the foreground camera is a Sony BVP-30p tube front end >>>> with a BVV-1 onboard Betacam recorder. The later BVV-5 Beta SP >>>> was a darker grey colour. Just guessing, but I think chip >>>> cameras were a fair bit later than plain old Betacam. The sound >>>> recordist next to him seems ?dis-interinterested in him, so >>>> BVP-30 man could be on hs own with camera mic. >>>> The guy top right has a BVW-35 round his neck, or if he?s >>>> really unlucky it might be a BVU-110 (U-matic), or even worse, >>>> a 1? BVH-500. His long mic, a Sennheiser 805 or 815 in Rycote. >>>> No telling what that camera is, or who they are. >>>> A nice frozen moment in time, though - quite nostalgic. >>>> Best, >>>> Nick. >>>> Sent from my iPad >>>> >>> >> > > > Virus-free. www.avast.com > > > > <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From waresound at msn.com Mon Dec 31 15:05:36 2018 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2018 21:05:36 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Can I take you back to the summer of 1986...? (photo ident question) In-Reply-To: <1ac6906c-f1d3-0778-a7a6-168878645f7e@gmail.com> References: <1660488560.17030683.1546208657576.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1660488560.17030683.1546208657576@mail.yahoo.com> <8A1BFFED-9120-454C-A350-BBFA7410854B@btinternet.com> <519ce927-6dc7-54a4-ee47-d44c2912666f@chriswoolf.co.uk>, <1ac6906c-f1d3-0778-a7a6-168878645f7e@gmail.com> Message-ID: It?s my 31st wedding anniversary tonight, and we have a rather extravagant bottle of Champagne on the go, so I won?t write anything I might later regret. ;-) N. Xx Sent from my iPad On 31 Dec 2018, at 18:40, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 > wrote: I wrote this back in 2001. It was an article for the GTC magazine. reading it again after a long time, it still seems to pretty much reflect the way things were and are. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ I stopped being a BBC studio cameraman, and GTC member, 24 years ago, back when men were men etc, etc. For the next good, long time I minded my own business as a producer, sitting in edit suites and studio galleries, standing on grotty locations, and trying to learn how to type up my scripts, back in the office. In late 1995,1 was asked to work on a show called Morning Surgery - Hospital Watch for a daily morning audience. The production had put in a budget of a million and a quarter pounds but had been told they could only have the quarter and they were looking for ways to get round this. I am the guilty person who specified the brand new DV as the answer to their prayers. I created the first BBC DV kit, now seen in their hundreds coming out of White City every day. I cut the foam innards with an electric carving knife in my kitchen, and when nobody in the resource departments would help, soldered up the first sound adaptors at my office desk. I taught science producers to do basic camera and sound, directed the shows and made some of the film inserts. Morning Surgery was hailed as a major technical triumph, and I?ve been lecturing on the fallout from it around the country and the world, ever since. So ? why DV? I understand and sympathise with the criticisms from camera people in Zerb and elsewhere ? mostly, they are absolutely right. But to get a proper sense of why, you have to take a much broader view. Let?s work from the top down?. We live in a market economy ? most of us don?t rear chickens in our gardens on the best corn feed ? we go down to Tescos and buy what?s cheap today. In turn, Tesco buy the cheapest they can get away with selling us ? if they go too down market and we don?t buy, they adjust accordingly. Television is exactly the same. If you are a satellite or cable company, you need product. You aren?t going to get subscribers if you offer a couple of extra channels; you need to offer a bountiful cornucopia of joys to suit all. You aren?t too bothered about what it consists of, so long as it sells and makes a profit. You bundle channels together, so that your punters have to buy as many bundles as possible to get what they want. To get Cartoon Network for my son, I have to buy about four other channels that I may dip into for about five seconds a week or less. It?s cheap, so I don?t worry. If it got expensive, I?d dump Cartoon Network. If you are a programme providing company, you sell what you can, to whom you can, for whatever profit you can make. As a very senior accountant at a major ITV company said to me, ?carriage is all?. If they can sell their product to a cable or satellite company, and you and I buy it in our bundles, they are home free. It doesn?t matter whether we tune in or not ? we?ve paid for the product. Cynical, isn?t it? But the difference between profit and disaster in this area is very narrow ? see Mr Micawber ? so the programming needs to be cheap. You can see where we?re headed here? You are a producer and are offered a long series of docs at ?8,000 per half-hour, instead of ?80,000, do you take it? Well, it depends ? do you want to pay the mortgage or not? Of course you take it, and then you work out how to make it. The first thing you look at is what you can lose and still keep the customer happy ? just like Tescos. You have heard about this DV stuff and seen some good results, so you pitch right in and dump your crews. They cost ?800 a day, so that?s a decent start. A bit later on, you dump your editors too. If the results you provide please the customer, end of story. If not, you argue a lot and they either take their money elsewhere, or give you a bit more and see if things get better ? Tescos again. Sadly for crafts people, they don?t set the standards, the market does ? he who pays the piper etc. ? and that?s it. In the UK, the BBC is in a slightly different, but similar situation to the commercial people. They cannot afford, if they are to survive, to be two channels amongst, say, 160. They have to make more product, but they have a fixed income. Yes, they can hack back on the bureaucrats, but programme costs still have to come down. Yes, presenters cost, but presenters sell shows and crews don?t. Yes, sometimes it looks pretty aver age to the professional eye but, if the customer ? in this case a channel controller ? is happy, then that?s that. The BBC and all TV companies are just like Tesco; they do the best they can for the money. There are other aspects to DV, at the programme making level.. A good crew, or editor, is a joy and a bad one is a nightmare, but sometimes there?s just no substitute, no matter what. But, at the end of a shoot, the crew is off to the next one, whilst the director takes his rushes to the edit suite, in hope and trepidation, and carries that project through till it?s on the air. If he didn?t like what the crew provided, he can go elsewhere next time but, right now, it?s too late. Even the best of crews have to be looked after. They are human beings who are working for you and they need to be managed, one way or another. Take them away and, if you can do DV well enough to please the customer, it?s one less thing to worry about ? you?re on your own, but you look down your own viewfinder, and hear what you are putting onto the tape ? there are no surprises, good or bad. You work for as many hours as you want, and as many days as you want. Sometimes you have to work in delicate situations, and two people from the TV company are far less intimidating than four or five ? or fourteen (in the old ITV days). The whole DV thing can be very liberating, if you can do it. Which brings me to training, or the lack of it. It?s true that quite often a researcher, who has done a two-day course and then turns out wince-making results, is replacing a cameraman with many years of experience. This seems stupid and, if it were a fair world, it wouldn?t happen. But it?s not, it?s market driven and all the professional standards in the world aren?t going to make a difference. The customers choose ? first the channel controller, then the viewer ? not the camera crew. But the days of rubbish results are hopefully numbered. More and more often, when shows take their staff on, they want them DV experienced, and want to see proof. So colleges are beginning to turn out people who can do what?s needed ? a different kind of person is beginning to make television, multi-skilled and pretty comfortable with it. Where does all this leave the traditional camera crew? Well, if it?s holding a very expensive Beta kit, I?m sorry. Change isn?t going away ? so if you can?t beat ?em, join ?em. There?s a huge shortage of cameramen who don?t insist on bringing macho sized kit and attitudes to the party. A DV camera at ?2,000 is almost identical to a Digibeta at ?40,000 ? it?s not as good, but it?s not a twentieth of the quality, and it has its own very clear advantages ? for example, have you ever done a two-camera shoot in a London taxi? Why not dry hire yourself without your kit, and don?t whinge on about prostituting your art, just because you are holding a VX1000 ? it?s the story that matters, and you can help to tell it. Do you want to pay the mortgage or not? ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ On 31/12/2018 17:57, Chris Woolf via Tech1 wrote: I think that's a fair defence. Sony (mainly) have been very good at producing cameras that were eminently portable and provided as good a picture ~at the time~ as was feasible. They have continued to do so, and in the right hands the pictures are frankly magnificent - beyond anything we dreamt of back in the old days. High class pictures by candle-light? Was never feasible in the past but can look magical now. That users have wanted to employ the cameras with untrained and incompetent operators is not Sony's fault. Moreover, as a company producing machinery, we can't blame them (or Canon) for providing whatever the new style of customer demands. We may moan at the way things are going - and I'm one who does because I can barely ever find anything in (so-called) film or TV that I want to watch, unless it was produced 20 or more years ago - but we also happily snap away with the cameras on our phones, using them for all manner of purposes in a way that would have been unthinkable in the days of a 2001. What's more the damn things actually give quite good results. Chris Woolf On 31/12/2018 16:18, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: Actually, on reflection, I feel the need to come out in defence of Sony. Right from the start, the Sony 330, and the on-the-shoulder camcorders that followed it, got the ergonomics pretty damn right. So much so that the Ikegami HL79A, 79D and HL95, plus all the Panasonic offerings, followed much the same basic layout. If that?s not a tribute, I don?t know what is! And if you look now at the current Sony models, the general layout of the PXW-X400 hasn?t changed much at all. Slap on a battery, bung in a tape (card), and off you go, even if the last time you saw one was 30 years ago! As I remember it, we all agreed at the time that Ikegami colorimetry had a nicer look, but that argument was about as pointless as saying Kodak was better than Agfa. I think if you showed Sony an Arri SR as the way to go, they would have been too polite to laugh at you, but inwardly would have done. The PD150 was aimed at a completely different user/market. You can hardly blame Sony for the fact that the likes of the Beeb saw it as a way of doing away with ?proper? crewing. What the Beeb failed to recognise was that, OK, here?s a cheaper more basic camera, but you still need a skilled cameraman! Where we have gone backwards is that whereas back then, the camera was self contained with the exception of the battery, you now get a body onto which you have to attach all manner of crap just to get it working. Nick. Sent from my iPad On 31 Dec 2018, at 13:35, Roger E Long > wrote: Those early tube cameras and portable vtrs were really dreadful bits of Kit Especially Sony We preferred the Ike, it seemed slightly film like in its ergonomics We had a conference weekend with Sony, in a plush hotel, a nice freebie, they even gave us a Sony branded Swiss army knife! We showed them a Nagra IV and a Arri Sr, also a SQN mixer Still they came back with a ghastley compromise, even with the early chip Beta Cams The Sony DigiBeta got somewhere near a good solution, it then all went tits up with the Sony PD150 and cheap and cheerful one man band ?self shooters? For this I blame the BBC and its Community Affairs unit, which enabled a host of idiots to pick up camera and wobble. Im not nostalgic for all that We went backwards from crystal sync freedom ,and the ingenious Swiss Nagra to servitude and machine minding?. Roger On 31 Dec 2018, at 12:22, Ian H via Tech1 > wrote: Beeb News used Ikegami with separate BVU recorders. ITN used Sony kit. (contribution ends) On Mon, Dec 31, 2018 at 11:03 AM Nick Ware via Tech1 > wrote: I think the foreground camera is a Sony BVP-30p tube front end with a BVV-1 onboard Betacam recorder. The later BVV-5 Beta SP was a darker grey colour. Just guessing, but I think chip cameras were a fair bit later than plain old Betacam. The sound recordist next to him seems dis-interinterested in him, so BVP-30 man could be on hs own with camera mic. The guy top right has a BVW-35 round his neck, or if he?s really unlucky it might be a BVU-110 (U-matic), or even worse, a 1? BVH-500. His long mic, a Sennheiser 805 or 815 in Rycote. No telling what that camera is, or who they are. A nice frozen moment in time, though - quite nostalgic. Best, Nick. Sent from my iPad [https://ipmcdn.avast.com/images/icons/icon-envelope-tick-round-orange-animated-no-repeat-v1.gif] Virus-free. www.avast.com -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: