From johnhcox at gmail.com  Wed Aug  1 02:25:13 2018
From: johnhcox at gmail.com (John Cox)
Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2018 08:25:13 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Quartermass
Message-ID: <CANKFy2ceocZF2mFRuOf=MTJq_s-g0Ae9oRapBKZEeLj0hVnKng@mail.gmail.com>

Bud Flanagan the shortest cameraman in Tel OBS who was in the cubicle at
Westminster Abbey for the Coronation was sent in a hurry to operate an
hidden camera on the program one afternoon. Bud later became a producer on
commercial TV.
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From mike.jdg.minchin at gmail.com  Wed Aug  1 06:30:20 2018
From: mike.jdg.minchin at gmail.com (Mike Minchin)
Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2018 12:30:20 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Quatermass and the Pit
In-Reply-To: <741730870.5914530.1533023719604@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <8be04409-6db0-db4a-d7cd-1cb53a12d354@gmail.com>
	<741730870.5914530.1533023719604@mail.yahoo.com>
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I, too, have the Quatermass DVD.? I didn't work on it, but Joined the 
Corporation during the run.? I was already hooked on the show, and I 
remember skiving off a derig so as to see an episode - possibly the 
last.? Either no-one noticed, or someone turned a blind eye - and I did 
get to see it.

Rudi was a bit of a pain to work for.? On one occasion he put me onto a 
Heron, and I had the temerity to ask ("all innocent,like") why he had 
chosen that particular mounting.? He said "Zis is your Chosen 
Profession, my boy".? Which I thought was a bit rich coming from someone 
who had fled the Nazis - and it didn't answer my query.

I don't know if it still exists - I think a telerecording was made - but 
I was an Extra on one of his shows!? This was a stage play called 
"Korzak and the Children" (spelling?), and it had a troop of actors (as 
actors) performing against a plain cyc.? Rudi wanted his production to 
be demonstrably "in a Television Studio" and started with a wide shot 
with most of the cameras & booms, and Paddy Russell cuing the action.? 
Rudi wanted someone to cross frame, and I, properly cable-bashing, was 
chosen to do it.? On cue, crossed to one of the cameras (already with a 
cameraman) and pretended to plug my cans in.? I was the one person to 
get an "in shot" fee, as I had to work to a cue!

Best wishes to all,

Mike.


On 31/07/2018 08:55, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 wrote:
> I got the DVD some time ago.
>
> You start watching and you think -?this is a bit amateur-night by 
> today's standards: the sets are underdressed; the acting's a bit 
> theatrical; the camerawork's bit wobbly, etc. That feeling lasts for 
> about ten minutes, then the atmosphere takes over, and everything else 
> is forgotten. I still think it's one of the scariest pieces of 
> television drama ever!
>
> Did anyone here work on it?
>
> luv, Rog.
>

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From peter.neill at icloud.com  Wed Aug  1 06:44:09 2018
From: peter.neill at icloud.com (Peter Neill)
Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2018 11:44:09 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Tech1] Quatermass and the Pit
Message-ID: <5db5bec9-265b-4841-a77b-db0e50985b6e@me.com>

There's a still here, Mike - but I don't think that's you.
http://www.britishtelevisiondrama.org.uk/?p=1229

Apparently a DVD of a Film Recording - with burnt-in timecode still exists.?

Peter

On 01 Aug, 2018, at 12:30 PM, Mike Minchin via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

I, too, have the Quatermass DVD.? I didn't work on it, but Joined the Corporation during the run.? I was already hooked on the show, and I remember skiving off a derig so as to see an episode - possibly the last.? Either no-one noticed, or someone turned a blind eye - and I did get to see it.

Rudi was a bit of a pain to work for.? On one occasion he put me onto a Heron, and I had the temerity to ask ("all innocent,like") why he had chosen that particular mounting.? He said "Zis is your Chosen Profession, my boy".? Which I thought was a bit rich coming from someone who had fled the Nazis - and it didn't answer my query.

I don't know if it still exists - I think a telerecording was made - but I was an Extra on one of his shows!? This was a stage play called "Korzak and the Children" (spelling?), and it had a troop of actors (as actors) performing against a plain cyc.? Rudi wanted his production to be demonstrably "in a Television Studio" and started with a wide shot with most of the cameras & booms, and Paddy Russell cuing the action.? Rudi wanted someone to cross frame, and I, properly cable-bashing, was chosen to do it.? On cue, crossed to one of the cameras (already with a cameraman) and pretended to plug my cans in.? I was the one person to get an "in shot" fee, as I had to work to a cue!

Best wishes to all,

Mike.


On 31/07/2018 08:55, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 wrote:
I got the DVD some time ago.

You start watching and you think -?this is a bit?amateur-night by today's standards: the sets are underdressed; the acting's a bit theatrical; the camerawork's bit wobbly, etc. That feeling lasts for about ten minutes, then the atmosphere takes over, and everything else is forgotten. I still think it's one of the scariest pieces of television drama ever!

Did anyone here work on it?

luv, Rog.


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From mike.jdg.minchin at gmail.com  Wed Aug  1 08:03:21 2018
From: mike.jdg.minchin at gmail.com (Mike Minchin)
Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2018 14:03:21 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Quatermass and the Pit
In-Reply-To: <e1668fa6-b744-cc57-16bc-846f7ea20b2a@gmail.com>
References: <8be04409-6db0-db4a-d7cd-1cb53a12d354@gmail.com>
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Sorry, must be false memory syndrome.? Quatermas & the Pit was broadcast 
some 18 months before I joined the BBC.? So my "skiving the de-rig" 
story can't be true.? Maybe that was about Peter Dews' Age of Kings - 
which certainly did bridge my joining the Beeb.? In that case I was in 
the gallery of R2 when they film-recorded Richard III's dream - very 
complex, and not to be done live, as was most of the rest of the cycle.? 
Maybe ... it was to see that sequence that I skipped.? Now, of course, I 
have the DVD - totally unthought of back in 1960.

Mike.
>
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From mike.jdg.minchin at gmail.com  Wed Aug  1 08:26:15 2018
From: mike.jdg.minchin at gmail.com (Mike Minchin)
Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2018 14:26:15 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Quatermass and the Pit
In-Reply-To: <5db5bec9-265b-4841-a77b-db0e50985b6e@me.com>
References: <5db5bec9-265b-4841-a77b-db0e50985b6e@me.com>
Message-ID: <b2437441-c5db-494a-db39-6de99e0cc4ca@gmail.com>

You're right Peter.? The still with a camera in it does NOT feature me - 
not sure who it was.? "My" shot was much wider - the length of TC2 - 
and, as I said included most of the crew and their equipment.? Nice to 
see Paddy again, especially now she's gone.

Mike


On 01/08/2018 12:44, Peter Neill via Tech1 wrote:
> There's a still here, Mike - but I don't think that's you.
> http://www.britishtelevisiondrama.org.uk/?p=1229
>
> Apparently a DVD of a Film Recording - with burnt-in timecode still 
> exists.
>
> Peter
>
> On 01 Aug, 2018, at 12:30 PM, Mike Minchin via Tech1 
> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> I, too, have the Quatermass DVD.? I didn't work on it, but Joined the 
>> Corporation during the run.? I was already hooked on the show, and I 
>> remember skiving off a derig so as to see an episode - possibly the 
>> last.? Either no-one noticed, or someone turned a blind eye - and I 
>> did get to see it.
>>
>> Rudi was a bit of a pain to work for.? On one occasion he put me onto 
>> a Heron, and I had the temerity to ask ("all innocent,like") why he 
>> had chosen that particular mounting.? He said "Zis is your Chosen 
>> Profession, my boy".? Which I thought was a bit rich coming from 
>> someone who had fled the Nazis - and it didn't answer my query.
>>
>> I don't know if it still exists - I think a telerecording was made - 
>> but I was an Extra on one of his shows!? This was a stage play called 
>> "Korzak and the Children" (spelling?), and it had a troop of actors 
>> (as actors) performing against a plain cyc.? Rudi wanted his 
>> production to be demonstrably "in a Television Studio" and started 
>> with a wide shot with most of the cameras & booms, and Paddy Russell 
>> cuing the action.? Rudi wanted someone to cross frame, and I, 
>> properly cable-bashing, was chosen to do it.? On cue, crossed to one 
>> of the cameras (already with a cameraman) and pretended to plug my 
>> cans in.? I was the one person to get an "in shot" fee, as I had to 
>> work to a cue!
>>
>> Best wishes to all,
>>
>> Mike.
>>
>>
>> On 31/07/2018 08:55, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 wrote:
>>> I got the DVD some time ago.
>>>
>>> You start watching and you think -?this is a bit amateur-night by 
>>> today's standards: the sets are underdressed; the acting's a bit 
>>> theatrical; the camerawork's bit wobbly, etc. That feeling lasts for 
>>> about ten minutes, then the atmosphere takes over, and everything 
>>> else is forgotten. I still think it's one of the scariest pieces of 
>>> television drama ever!
>>>
>>> Did anyone here work on it?
>>>
>>> luv, Rog.
>>>
>>
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From rogerbunce at btinternet.com  Thu Aug  2 09:05:01 2018
From: rogerbunce at btinternet.com (ROGER BUNCE)
Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2018 14:05:01 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tech1] Hitchhikers' Guide
References: <530322548.1593820.1533218701367.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <530322548.1593820.1533218701367@mail.yahoo.com>

Calling anyone who worked on the TV version of "The Hitchhikers' Guide to the Galaxy" (I know the radio version was better, but what can you do?) or just anyone who likes "The Hitchhikers' Guide to the Galaxy".
Insert fish into ears and listen up.
The first three episodes are going to be shown on the big screen at the BFI Southbank - digitally remastered, pumped up to pseudo-HD, and all the other clever stuff they do these days - on September 22nd, at midday, complete with the stars, director, etc. Unfortunately it costs serious money ?28.50, with no concessions for Old Codgers (Disgraceful! I didn't reach this level of decrepitude in order to pay full price for stuff - and I bet Blue Peter badge-holders won't get in free!), but you do get the Blue-Ray thrown in for the price.
Further details here -
?https://whatson.bfi.org.uk/Online/default.asp?doWork::WScontent::loadArticle=Load&BOparam::WScontent::loadArticle::article_id=2CA23050-B4F8-4EEB-9A7A-5D73586C0A78&BOparam::WScontent::loadArticle::context_id=1D9CE149-56FC-4351-A8E4-647BBC3086F4

Now, if I could get the text to appear green on black, and the letters to appear one at a time with a bit-bip-bip noise. Why don't computers look like computers any more?
It must be Thursday. I never could get the hang of Thursdays.
luv, Rog.
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From patheigham at amps.net  Thu Aug  2 09:14:01 2018
From: patheigham at amps.net (patrickheigham)
Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2018 15:14:01 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Hitchhikers' Guide
In-Reply-To: <530322548.1593820.1533218701367@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <530322548.1593820.1533218701367.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<530322548.1593820.1533218701367@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <6A013FEF10B44A2FAE32773A2CC9177A@PATRICKSONY>

I worked on 'Alien' the first one -
One shot was chilling, when the 'mother' computer
spat out the words (in green):
'Crew expendable'

Ouch!

Pat
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  Now, if I could get the text to appear green on black, and the letters to appear one at a time with a bit-bip-bip noise. Why don't computers look like computers any more?


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From mikej at bmanor.co.uk  Thu Aug  2 11:13:02 2018
From: mikej at bmanor.co.uk (Mike Jordan)
Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2018 17:13:02 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Hitchhikers' Guide
In-Reply-To: <530322548.1593820.1533218701367@mail.yahoo.com>
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Message-ID: <044C4DAB8211432BB187F4A598F4923C@Gigabyte>

As written by Douglas Adams who played the tramp in The Brothers Capek?s ?Insect Play? in 1965 on our school stage (that is him on the left ? he was a big bloke even then) and is also shown working at BBC for Hitchhikers Guide in 1978.

Mike

From: ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 
Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2018 3:05 PM
To: Tech-OpsMailing List 
Cc: angelawilson at uwclub.net ; TimHealy 
Subject: [Tech1] Hitchhikers' Guide

Calling anyone who worked on the TV version of "The Hitchhikers' Guide to the Galaxy" (I know the radio version was better, but what can you do?) or just anyone who likes "The Hitchhikers' Guide to the Galaxy".

Insert fish into ears and listen up.

The first three episodes are going to be shown on the big screen at the BFI Southbank - digitally remastered, pumped up to pseudo-HD, and all the other clever stuff they do these days - on September 22nd, at midday, complete with the stars, director, etc. Unfortunately it costs serious money ?28.50, with no concessions for Old Codgers (Disgraceful! I didn't reach this level of decrepitude in order to pay full price for stuff - and I bet Blue Peter badge-holders won't get in free!), but you do get the Blue-Ray thrown in for the price.

Further details here -

 https://whatson.bfi.org.uk/Online/default.asp?doWork::WScontent::loadArticle=Load&BOparam::WScontent::loadArticle::article_id=2CA23050-B4F8-4EEB-9A7A-5D73586C0A78&BOparam::WScontent::loadArticle::context_id=1D9CE149-56FC-4351-A8E4-647BBC3086F4


Now, if I could get the text to appear green on black, and the letters to appear one at a time with a bit-bip-bip noise. Why don't computers look like computers any more?

It must be Thursday. I never could get the hang of Thursdays.

luv, Rog.


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From johnhcox at gmail.com  Thu Aug  2 11:24:28 2018
From: johnhcox at gmail.com (John Cox)
Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2018 17:24:28 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Quartermass
Message-ID: <5b63303a.1c69fb81.93241.2af9@mx.google.com>


Hullo Ken I?m pleased that you like my stories, Yes that is how ?Bud? was known to us in Tel OBs at Wembley, You can find it confirmed in Asa Briggs big book ?The History Of Broadcasting In The United Kingdome?. Volume IV page 425 with apostrophes around ?Bud?, and a lot of political drama of the Coronation.
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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Thu Aug  2 13:49:01 2018
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2018 19:49:01 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] [Announce] Tech-ops website
In-Reply-To: <4a988929-2fcb-09ad-8a5e-3c050aa109cb@gmail.com>
References: <4a988929-2fcb-09ad-8a5e-3c050aa109cb@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1cdf00ca-21b2-ea67-68b7-ad6176dc0d12@btinternet.com>

Personally, I think you deserve a medal (or a pint) for sorting out all 
the aggro with our website etc.! There aren't many of us who even 
understand the problems, never mind how to sort them out! Many thanks! 
Cheers, Dave


On 02/08/2018 11:10, Bernard Newnham via Announce wrote
> You may have noticed that there's been some problems lately (again) - 
> well, Barry Bonner has.?? At one point the whole site disappeared into 
> a MySQL error message.
>
> It's been an on-going saga for a while now - I was unable to load new 
> images and galleries, and got a long incomprehensible error message 
> when I tried. If you sent me pictures in the last few months and I 
> haven't uploaded them, please let me know.
>
> I openedsupport tickets with the Nextgen Gallery people and with 
> Site5, the website host company. Because talking direct to each other 
> screwed their systems I've been message passer. Finally, after I did 
> some obscure PHP/XML tests of my own, it proved to be Site5's fault 
> (again)........
>
> //"Issue has been resolved. There was a scripting issue in .htaccess 
> file. PHP values was called in .htaccess as well as .user.ini. That 
> was restricting the complete result. I have updated the .htaccess 
> file. http://www.tech-ops.co.uk/xml_test.php and 
> http://www.tech-ops.co.uk/xml_test2.php are loading fine now. Please 
> check now after clearing cookies and cache in a different browser.///"
>
> /I think the contract end next summer.
>
> If you sent me pictures in the last few months and I haven't uploaded 
> them, please let me know.
>
> B
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From rogerbunce at btinternet.com  Thu Aug  2 14:43:16 2018
From: rogerbunce at btinternet.com (ROGER BUNCE)
Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2018 19:43:16 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tech1] [Announce] Tech-ops website
In-Reply-To: <1cdf00ca-21b2-ea67-68b7-ad6176dc0d12@btinternet.com>
References: <4a988929-2fcb-09ad-8a5e-3c050aa109cb@gmail.com>
	<1cdf00ca-21b2-ea67-68b7-ad6176dc0d12@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <1758241064.1929770.1533238996616@mail.yahoo.com>

I second that!

      From: dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
 To: Bernard Newnham <bernie833 at gmail.com>; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk 
 Sent: Thursday, 2 August 2018, 19:45
 Subject: Re: [Tech1] [Announce] Tech-ops website
   
 Personally, I think you deserve a medal (or a pint) for sorting out all the aggro with our website etc.! There aren't many of us who even understand the problems, never mind how to sort them out! Many thanks! Cheers, Dave
  
 On 02/08/2018 11:10, Bernard Newnham via Announce wrote
  
 
You may have noticed that there's been some problems lately (again) - well, Barry Bonner has.?? At one point the whole site disappeared into a MySQL error message.
 
 It's been an on-going saga for a while now - I was unable to load new images and galleries, and got a long incomprehensible error message when I tried. If you sent me pictures in the last few months and I haven't uploaded them, please let me know.
 
 I opened support tickets with the Nextgen Gallery people and with Site5, the website host company. Because talking direct to each other screwed their systems I've been message passer. Finally, after I did some obscure PHP/XML tests of my own, it proved to be  Site5's fault (again)........
 
 "Issue has been resolved. There was a scripting issue in .htaccess file. PHP values was called in .htaccess as well as .user.ini. That was restricting the complete result. I have updated the .htaccess file. http://www.tech-ops.co.uk/xml_test.php and http://www.tech-ops.co.uk/xml_test2.php are loading fine now. Please check now after clearing cookies and cache in a different browser. "
 
 I think the contract end next summer.
 
 If you sent me pictures in the last few months and I haven't uploaded them, please let me know.
 
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From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com  Fri Aug  3 06:05:22 2018
From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray)
Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2018 12:05:22 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] HP 364 printer cartridges for free
Message-ID: <c8c850e5-f5d2-eed5-1d4e-178f2312de26@gmail.com>

Hi all,

In preparation for the upcoming house move, I found some HP printer 
cartridges.

Rather an unbalanced collection, I'm afraid - may show the bias of my 
photography and art work!


HP 364 YELLOW?? 2 off

HP 364 MAGENTA 4 off

HP 364 BLUE?????? ? 1 off

HP 364 PHOTO BLACK XL? 1 off

HP 364 BLACK?????? 2 off

first person to send me a mailing address will get them!


The printer - quite a nice printer although a bit heavy on ink - died 
when the carriage completely jammed at one end of its travel.

-- 

Best Regards

Alec

Alec Bray

alec.bray.2 at gmail.com
mob:     07789 561 346
home:  0118 942 9543



From roybailey100 at gmail.com  Fri Aug  3 10:49:23 2018
From: roybailey100 at gmail.com (Roy Bailey)
Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2018 16:49:23 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] HP 364 printer cartridges for free
In-Reply-To: <c8c850e5-f5d2-eed5-1d4e-178f2312de26@gmail.com>
References: <c8c850e5-f5d2-eed5-1d4e-178f2312de26@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAEoXqV2_wT=+XDaJRRqTC2QHY8-Or2-BwdKCXcwEnHU0Hm7c2Q@mail.gmail.com>

 Hi Alec - I can give them a good home if you still have them......

Roy Bailey
8 Montpelier Drive
Caversham
Reading
RG4 6PS

....... and from your phone number you must live somewhere near me, which
might save the postage!

Roy


On Fri, 3 Aug 2018 at 12:05, Alec Bray via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> In preparation for the upcoming house move, I found some HP printer
> cartridges.
>
> Rather an unbalanced collection, I'm afraid - may show the bias of my
> photography and art work!
>
>
> HP 364 YELLOW   2 off
>
> HP 364 MAGENTA 4 off
>
> HP 364 BLUE         1 off
>
> HP 364 PHOTO BLACK XL  1 off
>
> HP 364 BLACK       2 off
>
> first person to send me a mailing address will get them!
>
>
> The printer - quite a nice printer although a bit heavy on ink - died
> when the carriage completely jammed at one end of its travel.
>
> --
>
> Best Regards
>
> Alec
>
> Alec Bray
>
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From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com  Fri Aug  3 14:03:57 2018
From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray)
Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2018 20:03:57 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] HP 364 printer cartridges for free
In-Reply-To: <c8c850e5-f5d2-eed5-1d4e-178f2312de26@gmail.com>
References: <c8c850e5-f5d2-eed5-1d4e-178f2312de26@gmail.com>
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Cartridges have been claimed!
Best regards, Alec

sent from my mobile phone. Apologies for any strange autocorrections.

On Fri, 3 Aug 2018, 12:05 Alec Bray, <alec.bray.2 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> In preparation for the upcoming house move, I found some HP printer
> cartridges.
>
> Rather an unbalanced collection, I'm afraid - may show the bias of my
> photography and art work!
>
>
> HP 364 YELLOW   2 off
>
> HP 364 MAGENTA 4 off
>
> HP 364 BLUE         1 off
>
> HP 364 PHOTO BLACK XL  1 off
>
> HP 364 BLACK       2 off
>
> first person to send me a mailing address will get them!
>
>
> The printer - quite a nice printer although a bit heavy on ink - died
> when the carriage completely jammed at one end of its travel.
>
> --
>
> Best Regards
>
> Alec
>
> Alec Bray
>
> alec.bray.2 at gmail.com
> mob:     07789 561 346
> home:  0118 942 9543
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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Sat Aug  4 15:59:11 2018
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2018 21:59:11 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] HDEV
Message-ID: <320050a8-1618-0e27-3b66-031e075c3c04@gmail.com>

I've been watching the output of the HDEV cameras on the ISS - 
https://eol.jsc.nasa.gov/ESRS/HDEV/? - a set of high definition cameras 
that look down at the earth. Sometimes you get a forward looking view, 
sometimes down and sometimes back.? Sunsets are amazing.

The other evening I was watching at dusk, and realised that the ISS was 
about to go right over us. I went outside and there it was - a fast 
moving light in the sky.

This evening it passed over well before sunset, so I recorded the output 
and added appropriate sound. It starts over the Caribbean, and I think 
the land near the beginning may be Cuba. Near the end there's us - Wales 
and Cornwall are very clear.? I've speeded it up to about 2.5 times, and 
there seem to be the odd jerkiness that isn't in the original live feed.

See it at - https://youtu.be/v9SYrgeYqQ0 >Make it full screen and enjoy 
the view. Flat Earthers should leave now

B
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From graeme.wall at icloud.com  Sat Aug  4 16:07:09 2018
From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall)
Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2018 22:07:09 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] HDEV
In-Reply-To: <320050a8-1618-0e27-3b66-031e075c3c04@gmail.com>
References: <320050a8-1618-0e27-3b66-031e075c3c04@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <880D05FA-22EB-4814-B4D1-D2A5793E5EC0@icloud.com>

Why do I keep expecting a craft with Pan-Am markings to appear in view?
? 
Graeme Wall





> On 4 Aug 2018, at 21:59, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> I've been watching the output of the HDEV cameras on the ISS - https://eol.jsc.nasa.gov/ESRS/HDEV/  - a set of high definition cameras that look down at the earth. Sometimes you get a forward looking view, sometimes down and sometimes back.  Sunsets are amazing.   
> 
> The other evening I was watching at dusk, and realised that the ISS was about to go right over us. I went outside and there it was - a fast moving light in the sky.
> 
> This evening it passed over well before sunset, so I recorded the output and added appropriate sound. It starts over the Caribbean, and I think the land near the beginning may be Cuba. Near the end there's us - Wales and Cornwall are very clear.  I've speeded it up to about 2.5 times, and there seem to be the odd jerkiness that isn't in the original live feed.  
> 
> See it at -   https://youtu.be/v9SYrgeYqQ0 >Make it full screen and enjoy the view. Flat Earthers should leave now
> 
> B
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From nickrodger at mac.com  Sat Aug  4 16:12:08 2018
From: nickrodger at mac.com (Nick Rodger)
Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2018 22:12:08 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] HDEV
In-Reply-To: <320050a8-1618-0e27-3b66-031e075c3c04@gmail.com>
References: <320050a8-1618-0e27-3b66-031e075c3c04@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AD574244-6DC2-48F9-86E1-82CF57DA718D@mac.com>

If you go to the NASA website you can sign up for daily emails 

telling you exactly when the Space Station will be going over your home. 

We started when Tim Peake  was about to come down, but still get them. 

It?s quite weird to think there are real people up there when you watch it go overhead. 

Nick. 

Nick Rodger
Cameraman 
07971 007 578
nickrodger at mac.com <mailto:nickrodger at mac.com> 






On 4 Aug 2018, at 21:59, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

I've been watching the output of the HDEV cameras on the ISS - https://eol.jsc.nasa.gov/ESRS/HDEV/ <https://eol.jsc.nasa.gov/ESRS/HDEV/>  - a set of high definition cameras that look down at the earth. Sometimes you get a forward looking view, sometimes down and sometimes back.  Sunsets are amazing.   

The other evening I was watching at dusk, and realised that the ISS was about to go right over us. I went outside and there it was - a fast moving light in the sky.

This evening it passed over well before sunset, so I recorded the output and added appropriate sound. It starts over the Caribbean, and I think the land near the beginning may be Cuba. Near the end there's us - Wales and Cornwall are very clear.  I've speeded it up to about 2.5 times, and there seem to be the odd jerkiness that isn't in the original live feed.  

See it at -   https://youtu.be/v9SYrgeYqQ0 <https://youtu.be/v9SYrgeYqQ0> >Make it full screen and enjoy the view. Flat Earthers should leave now

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From robert.miles at soundsuper.co.uk  Sun Aug  5 03:43:06 2018
From: robert.miles at soundsuper.co.uk (Robert Miles)
Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2018 09:43:06 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] A Point of View
Message-ID: <001a01d42c98$549db5e0$fdd921a0$@soundsuper.co.uk>

However you voted, this is a 'must' listen from one of our most respected
authors - Michael Morpurgo.

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0bclyj3

 

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From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk  Sun Aug  5 05:11:13 2018
From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf)
Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2018 11:11:13 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] A Point of View
In-Reply-To: <001a01d42c98$549db5e0$fdd921a0$@soundsuper.co.uk>
References: <001a01d42c98$549db5e0$fdd921a0$@soundsuper.co.uk>
Message-ID: <1feeecf6-806e-cf4d-826d-a4e4309d1a81@chriswoolf.co.uk>

A humble man, who thinks.

A joy to listen to.

Chris Woolf


On 05/08/2018 09:43, Robert Miles via Tech1 wrote:
>
> However you voted, this is a ?must? listen from one of our most 
> respected authors ? Michael Morpurgo.
>
> https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0bclyj3
>
> Rob
>
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From colin at colinhassell.com  Sun Aug  5 08:38:14 2018
From: colin at colinhassell.com (Colin Hassell)
Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2018 14:38:14 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] HDEV
In-Reply-To: <AD574244-6DC2-48F9-86E1-82CF57DA718D@mac.com>
References: <320050a8-1618-0e27-3b66-031e075c3c04@gmail.com>
	<AD574244-6DC2-48F9-86E1-82CF57DA718D@mac.com>
Message-ID: <46A8BA35-EF21-4189-8C13-6B8D18F42D1E@colinhassell.com>

It was Tim Peake that started us watching out for the ISS too.

ISS Spotter is a great App (certainly on iPhone) that tells you both when and where to look.

Colin Hassell
colin at colinhassell.com
St Albans
Herts
UK


> On 4 Aug 2018, at 22:12, Nick Rodger via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> If you go to the NASA website you can sign up for daily emails 
> 
> telling you exactly when the Space Station will be going over your home. 
> 
> We started when Tim Peake  was about to come down, but still get them. 
> 
> It?s quite weird to think there are real people up there when you watch it go overhead. 
> 
> Nick. 
> 
> Nick Rodger
> Cameraman 
> 07971 007 578
> nickrodger at mac.com 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 4 Aug 2018, at 21:59, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> I've been watching the output of the HDEV cameras on the ISS - https://eol.jsc.nasa.gov/ESRS/HDEV/ - a set of high definition cameras that look down at the earth. Sometimes you get a forward looking view, sometimes down and sometimes back.  Sunsets are amazing.   
> 
> The other evening I was watching at dusk, and realised that the ISS was about to go right over us. I went outside and there it was - a fast moving light in the sky.
> 
> This evening it passed over well before sunset, so I recorded the output and added appropriate sound. It starts over the Caribbean, and I think the land near the beginning may be Cuba. Near the end there's us - Wales and Cornwall are very clear.  I've speeded it up to about 2.5 times, and there seem to be the odd jerkiness that isn't in the original live feed.  
> 
> See it at -   https://youtu.be/v9SYrgeYqQ0 >Make it full screen and enjoy the view. Flat Earthers should leave now
> 
> B
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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Sun Aug  5 09:24:39 2018
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2018 15:24:39 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] HDEV
In-Reply-To: <46A8BA35-EF21-4189-8C13-6B8D18F42D1E@colinhassell.com>
References: <320050a8-1618-0e27-3b66-031e075c3c04@gmail.com>
	<AD574244-6DC2-48F9-86E1-82CF57DA718D@mac.com>
	<46A8BA35-EF21-4189-8C13-6B8D18F42D1E@colinhassell.com>
Message-ID: <ebccd49c-64e8-762d-f227-61db2f1ff2d5@gmail.com>

 From just now - the Straits of Gibraltar



On 05/08/2018 14:38, Colin Hassell via Tech1 wrote:
> It was Tim Peake that started us watching out for the ISS too.
>
> ISS Spotter is a great App (certainly on iPhone) that tells you both 
> when and where to look.
>
> Colin Hassell
> colin at colinhassell.com <mailto:colin at colinhassell.com>
> St Albans
> Herts
> UK
>
>
> On 4 Aug 2018, at 22:12, Nick Rodger via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk 
> <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:
>
>> If you go to the NASA website you can sign up for daily emails
>>
>> telling you exactly when the Space Station will be going over your home.
>>
>> We started when Tim Peake ?was about to come down, but still get them.
>>
>> It?s quite weird to think there are real people up there when you 
>> watch it go overhead.
>>
>> Nick.
>>
>> Nick Rodger
>> Cameraman
>> 07971 007 578
>> nickrodger at mac.com <mailto:nickrodger at mac.com>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 4 Aug 2018, at 21:59, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 
>> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:
>>
>> I've been watching the output of the HDEV cameras on the ISS - 
>> https://eol.jsc.nasa.gov/ESRS/HDEV/ - a set of high definition 
>> cameras that look down at the earth. Sometimes you get a forward 
>> looking view, sometimes down and sometimes back.? Sunsets are amazing.
>>
>> The other evening I was watching at dusk, and realised that the ISS 
>> was about to go right over us. I went outside and there it was - a 
>> fast moving light in the sky.
>>
>> This evening it passed over well before sunset, so I recorded the 
>> output and added appropriate sound. It starts over the Caribbean, and 
>> I think the land near the beginning may be Cuba. Near the end there's 
>> us - Wales and Cornwall are very clear.? I've speeded it up to about 
>> 2.5 times, and there seem to be the odd jerkiness that isn't in the 
>> original live feed.
>>
>> See it at - https://youtu.be/v9SYrgeYqQ0 >Make it full screen and 
>> enjoy the view. Flat Earthers should leave now
>>
>> B
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From davewagner at gmx.com  Sun Aug  5 14:58:26 2018
From: davewagner at gmx.com (David Wagner)
Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2018 20:58:26 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] HDEV
In-Reply-To: <320050a8-1618-0e27-3b66-031e075c3c04@gmail.com>
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I do like the homage to 2001

 

Nice one Bernie

 

From: Tech1 [mailto:tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk] On Behalf Of Bernard Newnham via Tech1
Sent: 04 August 2018 21:59
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: [Tech1] HDEV

 

I've been watching the output of the HDEV cameras on the ISS - https://eol.jsc.nasa.gov/ESRS/HDEV/  - a set of high definition cameras that look down at the earth. Sometimes you get a forward looking view, sometimes down and sometimes back.  Sunsets are amazing.   

The other evening I was watching at dusk, and realised that the ISS was about to go right over us. I went outside and there it was - a fast moving light in the sky.

This evening it passed over well before sunset, so I recorded the output and added appropriate sound. It starts over the Caribbean, and I think the land near the beginning may be Cuba. Near the end there's us - Wales and Cornwall are very clear.  I've speeded it up to about 2.5 times, and there seem to be the odd jerkiness that isn't in the original live feed.  

See it at -   https://youtu.be/v9SYrgeYqQ0 >Make it full screen and enjoy the view. Flat Earthers should leave now

B

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From rogerbunce at btinternet.com  Tue Aug  7 05:35:07 2018
From: rogerbunce at btinternet.com (ROGER BUNCE)
Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2018 10:35:07 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tech1] Force of Habit
References: <365369358.4959424.1533638107689.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <365369358.4959424.1533638107689@mail.yahoo.com>

Got the garden hose out last night, in an attempt to save my dying flower beds - feeling slightly guilty ?about it, but there's no hose-pipe ban yet. Afterwards, I found myself doing something that came naturally. So, I just wondered, how many people in this group, when tidying away their garden hose, find themselves coiling it up in a figure-of-eight?
luv, Rog
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From david.jasma at sky.com  Tue Aug  7 05:45:37 2018
From: david.jasma at sky.com (Dave Buckley)
Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2018 11:45:37 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Force of Habit
In-Reply-To: <365369358.4959424.1533638107689@mail.yahoo.com>
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	<365369358.4959424.1533638107689@mail.yahoo.com>
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My hose is on a reel fixed to the side of the house!!

 

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From tonycrake at gmail.com  Tue Aug  7 05:49:20 2018
From: tonycrake at gmail.com (Tony Crake)
Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2018 11:49:20 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Force of Habit
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Big Reel.. Garden is a bit long some 130 feet

On 7 August 2018 at 11:45, Dave Buckley via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
wrote:

> My hose is on a reel fixed to the side of the house!!
>
>
>
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From geoff.thonger at gmail.com  Tue Aug  7 05:49:27 2018
From: geoff.thonger at gmail.com (Geoff Thonger)
Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2018 11:49:27 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Force of Habit
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Your right Rog I still figure of eight my hose real. Old habits die hard.
All the best
Geoff

> On 7 Aug 2018, at 11:35, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Got the garden hose out last night, in an attempt to save my dying flower beds - feeling slightly guilty  about it, but there's no hose-pipe ban yet. Afterwards, I found myself doing something that came naturally. So, I just wondered, how many people in this group, when tidying away their garden hose, find themselves coiling it up in a figure-of-eight?
> 
> luv, Rog
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From mikej at bmanor.co.uk  Tue Aug  7 05:58:04 2018
From: mikej at bmanor.co.uk (Mike Jordan)
Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2018 11:58:04 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Force of Habit
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You mean just like the huge cable drums used ?back in the day? for a long length of G101 feeding the 360degree rotation camera at events like Velodrome and some athletics. - he he

The kids at my local school were totally amazed when I showed them how to hand wrap 200? or more of mic cable ? though I didn?t have similar lengths of triax to show how even that could be done.
When I have done quick de-rigs for local events, cable goes in a bag any old how and gets spread down the road with no kinks to do ?wrap/twist? as taught.

Mike

From: Dave Buckley via Tech1 
Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2018 11:45 AM
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk 
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Force of Habit

My hose is on a reel fixed to the side of the house!!

 

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From ohbytheway.tv at gmail.com  Tue Aug  7 06:36:26 2018
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Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2018 12:36:26 +0100
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How big is your garden?

 

From: Tech1 <tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk> On Behalf Of ROGER BUNCE via Tech1
Sent: 07 August 2018 11:35
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Subject: [Tech1] Force of Habit

 

Got the garden hose out last night, in an attempt to save my dying flower beds - feeling slightly guilty  about it, but there's no hose-pipe ban yet. Afterwards, I found myself doing something that came naturally. So, I just wondered, how many people in this group, when tidying away their garden hose, find themselves coiling it up in a figure-of-eight?

 

luv, Rog

 

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From patheigham at amps.net  Tue Aug  7 07:11:15 2018
From: patheigham at amps.net (patrickheigham)
Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2018 13:11:15 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Force of Habit
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I still do the odd recording gig, and most of my mic cables are
wound on a drum, but any loose ones are always given a half twist
while looping into a hank. A hand-held figure eight!

On first reading your message, I thought you were helping to
water the garden from your own personal supply!

Best
Pat
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  Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2018 11:35 AM
  Subject: [Tech1] Force of Habit


  Got the garden hose out last night, in an attempt to save my dying flower beds - feeling slightly guilty  about it, but there's no hose-pipe ban yet. Afterwards, I found myself doing something that came naturally. So, I just wondered, how many people in this group, when tidying away their garden hose, find themselves coiling it up in a figure-of-eight?


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From alawrance1 at me.com  Tue Aug  7 07:25:40 2018
From: alawrance1 at me.com (Alasdair Lawrance)
Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2018 13:25:40 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Force of Habit
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Guilty as charged!  People laughed at me until I showed them how easy it was to lay out next time......

Alasdair Lawrance

Sent from my iPad2

> On 7 Aug 2018, at 13:11, patrickheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> I still do the odd recording gig, and most of my mic cables are
> wound on a drum, but any loose ones are always given a half twist
> while looping into a hank. A hand-held figure eight!
>  
> On first reading your message, I thought you were helping to
> water the garden from your own personal supply!
>  
> Best
> Pat
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: ROGER BUNCE via Tech1
> To: Tech-OpsMailing List
> Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2018 11:35 AM
> Subject: [Tech1] Force of Habit
> 
> Got the garden hose out last night, in an attempt to save my dying flower beds - feeling slightly guilty  about it, but there's no hose-pipe ban yet. Afterwards, I found myself doing something that came naturally. So, I just wondered, how many people in this group, when tidying away their garden hose, find themselves coiling it up in a figure-of-eight?
> 
> luv, Rog
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From david.beer at talktalk.net  Tue Aug  7 08:00:43 2018
From: david.beer at talktalk.net (David Beer)
Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2018 14:00:43 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Force of Habit
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Yes, we all still do it with loose cables. But have you checked out the 
Roadie Wrap? https://youtu.be/kda4DPAn3C4

It takes a bit of practice, but works with cables and hose pipes. Just 
remember; 'Overworked and Underpaid!'

Dave B


On 07/08/2018 13:25, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 wrote:
> Guilty as charged! ?People laughed at me until I showed them how easy 
> it was to lay out next time......
>
> Alasdair Lawrance
>
> Sent from my iPad2
>
> On 7 Aug 2018, at 13:11, patrickheigham via Tech1 
> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:
>
>> I still do the odd recording gig, and most of my mic cables are
>> wound on a drum, but any loose ones are always given a half twist
>> while looping into a hank. A hand-held figure eight!
>> On first reading your message, I thought you were helping to
>> water the garden from your own personal supply!
>> Best
>> Pat
>>
>>     ----- Original Message -----
>>     *From:* ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
>>     *To:* Tech-OpsMailing List <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
>>     *Sent:* Tuesday, August 07, 2018 11:35 AM
>>     *Subject:* [Tech1] Force of Habit
>>
>>     Got the garden hose out last night, in an attempt to save my
>>     dying flower beds - feeling slightly guilty ?about it, but
>>     there's no hose-pipe ban yet. Afterwards, I found myself doing
>>     something that came naturally. So, I just wondered, how many
>>     people in this group, when tidying away their garden hose, find
>>     themselves coiling it up in a figure-of-eight?
>>
>>     luv, Rog
>>
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From hughsheppard at btinternet.com  Tue Aug  7 09:31:57 2018
From: hughsheppard at btinternet.com (Hugh Sheppard)
Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2018 15:31:57 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Force of Habit
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But of course Roger!? I've been doing that for 60 years; not only the 
hose, but come and check out the Hoover or rather its current Sebo 
counterpart.

Dare I tread a step further?? I believe I was the first pedestal 
cameraman - beside it, not on it - to lash the cable with string so that 
it didn't bind on the Vinten ring handle.? That would have been in '59 
or '60 in Lime Grove. Any other Tichborne claimants? (Now there's a 
story if you've not come across it).

Hugh

hand
On 07-Aug-18 11:35 AM, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 wrote:
> Got the garden hose out last night, in an attempt to save my dying 
> flower beds - feeling slightly guilty ?about it, but there's no 
> hose-pipe ban yet. Afterwards, I found myself doing something that 
> came naturally. So, I just wondered, how many people in this group, 
> when tidying away their garden hose, find themselves coiling it up in 
> a figure-of-eight?
>
> luv, Rog
>
>
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From wmx at btopenworld.com  Tue Aug  7 10:32:33 2018
From: wmx at btopenworld.com (Warwick Cross)
Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2018 16:32:33 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Force of Habit
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Good man, Rog.  Me too!

Warwick.

Sent from my iPad; other tablet products are available.

On 7 Aug 2018, at 11:35, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

Got the garden hose out last night, in an attempt to save my dying flower beds - feeling slightly guilty  about it, but there's no hose-pipe ban yet. Afterwards, I found myself doing something that came naturally. So, I just wondered, how many people in this group, when tidying away their garden hose, find themselves coiling it up in a figure-of-eight?

luv, Rog

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From peter.fox at tiscali.co.uk  Tue Aug  7 13:44:24 2018
From: peter.fox at tiscali.co.uk (Peter Fox)
Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2018 20:44:24 +0200
Subject: [Tech1] Force of Habit
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Me too. You know it makes sense.

Peter Fox

> On 7 Aug 2018, at 17:32, Warwick Cross via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Good man, Rog.  Me too!
> 
> Warwick.
> 
> Sent from my iPad; other tablet products are available.
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> On 7 Aug 2018, at 11:35, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Got the garden hose out last night, in an attempt to save my dying flower beds - feeling slightly guilty  about it, but there's no hose-pipe ban yet. Afterwards, I found myself doing something that came naturally. So, I just wondered, how many people in this group, when tidying away their garden hose, find themselves coiling it up in a figure-of-eight?
> 
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From johnhcox at gmail.com  Tue Aug  7 16:00:23 2018
From: johnhcox at gmail.com (John Cox)
Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2018 22:00:23 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Force of Habit
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Yes Hugh, I have, but did you mean this? Many years ago I was the Sound Supervisor on ?Sunday Cricket? at the Tichborne Park Cricket Club near Alresford (not far from where John Arlott lived). During the rig the one assistant with me preferred to work for the production people shifting furniture at the far end of the ground. That meant I had to rig the sound gear  and test it alone. I turned the loudspeaker up loud in the scanner and climbed up into the commentary box, put on a pair of headphones and checked the microphones by listening to them from there.
  I would not let my elderly assistant do the sound mix the next day so I did the whole four hours on my own. During the match I surreptitiously changed the bat and ball effects from a parabola dish over to an old loudspeaker horn with an ECM50 placed in the narrow orifice and then back again. Our Engineering Manager did not like the crowd effects and asked me to change the microphone during the ten minute break. I told him in no uncertain terms what he could do as I had other natural things to do,  nothing was changed.
  Our riggers rewound the cables on reels when we finished!

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From hughsheppard at btinternet.com  Tue Aug  7 16:10:26 2018
From: hughsheppard at btinternet.com (Hugh Sheppard)
Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2018 22:10:26 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Force of Habit
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An interesting tale, but for the Victorian yarn that fostered the 
mas-media appeal of newspapers see: 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tichborne_case

Hugh


On 07-Aug-18 10:00 PM, John Cox via Tech1 wrote:
>
> Yes Hugh, I have, but did you mean this? Many years ago I was the 
> Sound Supervisor on ?Sunday Cricket? at the Tichborne Park Cricket 
> Club near Alresford (not far from where John Arlott lived). During the 
> rig the one assistant with me preferred to work for the production 
> people shifting furniture at the far end of the ground. That meant I 
> had to rig the sound gear ?and test it alone. I turned the loudspeaker 
> up loud in the scanner and climbed up into the commentary box, put on 
> a pair of headphones and checked the microphones by listening to them 
> from there.
>
> ?I would not let my elderly assistant do the sound mix the next day so 
> I did the whole four hours on my own. During the match I 
> surreptitiously changed the bat and ball effects from a parabola dish 
> over to an old loudspeaker horn with an ECM50 placed in the narrow 
> orifice and then back again. Our Engineering Manager did not like the 
> crowd effects and asked me to change the microphone during the ten 
> minute break. I told him in no uncertain terms what he could do as I 
> had other natural things to do, ?nothing was changed.
>
> ? Our riggers rewound the cables on reels when we finished!
>
>
>



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From teateatone2 at gmail.com  Tue Aug  7 16:14:32 2018
From: teateatone2 at gmail.com (Tony Grant)
Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2018 22:14:32 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Force of Habit
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I wouldn't have said that our garden is that big, but, I eight all four of
my hoses, and my wife (Heather, for those who've met her) can often manage
to do the same now - how's that for domestic bliss? No, we're not watering
just now, it's cool-ish, and wet-ish here in N. Wales.

TeaTeaFN - Tony

On Tue, Aug 7, 2018 at 10:00 PM, John Cox via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
wrote:

> Yes Hugh, I have, but did you mean this? Many years ago I was the Sound
> Supervisor on ?Sunday Cricket? at the Tichborne Park Cricket Club near
> Alresford (not far from where John Arlott lived). During the rig the one
> assistant with me preferred to work for the production people shifting
> furniture at the far end of the ground. That meant I had to rig the sound
> gear  and test it alone. I turned the loudspeaker up loud in the scanner
> and climbed up into the commentary box, put on a pair of headphones and
> checked the microphones by listening to them from there.
>
>  I would not let my elderly assistant do the sound mix the next day so I
> did the whole four hours on my own. During the match I surreptitiously
> changed the bat and ball effects from a parabola dish over to an old
> loudspeaker horn with an ECM50 placed in the narrow orifice and then back
> again. Our Engineering Manager did not like the crowd effects and asked me
> to change the microphone during the ten minute break. I told him in no
> uncertain terms what he could do as I had other natural things to do,
>  nothing was changed.
>
>   Our riggers rewound the cables on reels when we finished!
>
>
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From geoffletch at gmail.com  Wed Aug  8 02:14:35 2018
From: geoffletch at gmail.com (Geoff Fletcher)
Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2018 08:14:35 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Force of Habit
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Yes Roger- I do exactly the same with my hose and anything else that lends
itself to the figure of eight. It is totally automatic, even after all
these years. My wife is ex TV Make Up and she does it too!
Geoff F

On Wed, 8 Aug 2018 at 00:41, Hugh Sheppard via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
wrote:

> An interesting tale, but for the Victorian yarn that fostered the
> mas-media appeal of newspapers see:
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tichborne_case
>
> Hugh
>
> On 07-Aug-18 10:00 PM, John Cox via Tech1 wrote:
>
> Yes Hugh, I have, but did you mean this? Many years ago I was the Sound
> Supervisor on ?Sunday Cricket? at the Tichborne Park Cricket Club near
> Alresford (not far from where John Arlott lived). During the rig the one
> assistant with me preferred to work for the production people shifting
> furniture at the far end of the ground. That meant I had to rig the sound
> gear  and test it alone. I turned the loudspeaker up loud in the scanner
> and climbed up into the commentary box, put on a pair of headphones and
> checked the microphones by listening to them from there.
>
>  I would not let my elderly assistant do the sound mix the next day so I
> did the whole four hours on my own. During the match I surreptitiously
> changed the bat and ball effects from a parabola dish over to an old
> loudspeaker horn with an ECM50 placed in the narrow orifice and then back
> again. Our Engineering Manager did not like the crowd effects and asked me
> to change the microphone during the ten minute break. I told him in no
> uncertain terms what he could do as I had other natural things to do,
>  nothing was changed.
>
>   Our riggers rewound the cables on reels when we finished!
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Wed Aug  8 03:26:52 2018
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2018 09:26:52 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Force of Habit
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Before the Olympics we ran courses for studentswho wanted to work there 
- basic technical stuff so they wouldn't look stupid. "Don't go marching 
into a working gallery talking loudly on your phone!"

The Olympics education department had a list of stuff that we had to go 
through, and one of them was over and under cabling - figure of eight in 
the hand.? It took me ages to work out how to do it myself, and we then 
all had fun running long XLRs down a corridor and winding them up 
again.? I doubt that any of the students had to do it again, and the 
health and safety stuff- not tripping up rare visitors? - was probably 
more useful

B



On 07/08/2018 11:35, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 wrote:
> Got the garden hose out last night, in an attempt to save my dying 
> flower beds - feeling slightly guilty ?about it, but there's no 
> hose-pipe ban yet. Afterwards, I found myself doing something that 
> came naturally. So, I just wondered, how many people in this group, 
> when tidying away their garden hose, find themselves coiling it up in 
> a figure-of-eight?
>
> luv, Rog
>
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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Wed Aug  8 03:27:06 2018
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2018 09:27:06 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Force of Habit
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Before the Olympics we ran courses for studentswho wanted to work there 
- basic technical stuff so they wouldn't look stupid. "Don't go marching 
into a working gallery talking loudly on your phone!"

The Olympics education department had a list of stuff that we had to go 
through, and one of them was over and under cabling - figure of eight in 
the hand.? It took me ages to work out how to do it myself, and we then 
all had fun running long XLRs down a corridor and winding them up 
again.? I doubt that any of the students had to do it again, and the 
health and safety stuff- not tripping up rare visitors? - was probably 
more useful

B



On 07/08/2018 11:35, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 wrote:
> Got the garden hose out last night, in an attempt to save my dying 
> flower beds - feeling slightly guilty ?about it, but there's no 
> hose-pipe ban yet. Afterwards, I found myself doing something that 
> came naturally. So, I just wondered, how many people in this group, 
> when tidying away their garden hose, find themselves coiling it up in 
> a figure-of-eight?
>
> luv, Rog
>
>
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From rogerbunce at btinternet.com  Wed Aug  8 04:31:22 2018
From: rogerbunce at btinternet.com (ROGER BUNCE)
Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2018 09:31:22 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tech1] Force of Habit
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I wonder if Theoretical Physicists, working on string theory, have taken account of the Roadie Wrap?

      From: David Beer via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk 
 Sent: Tuesday, 7 August 2018, 14:01
 Subject: Re: [Tech1] Force of Habit
   
 Yes, we all still do it with loose cables. But have you checked out the Roadie Wrap? https://youtu.be/kda4DPAn3C4 
  It takes a bit of practice, but works with cables and hose pipes. Just remember; 'Overworked and Underpaid!' Dave B
  
 On 07/08/2018 13:25, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 wrote:
  
 
Guilty as charged! ?People laughed at me until I showed them how easy it was to lay out next time......
 
 Alasdair Lawrance 
  Sent from my iPad2  
 On 7 Aug 2018, at 13:11, patrickheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
 
  
  
I still do the odd recording gig, and most of my mic cables are wound on a drum, but any loose ones are always given a half twist while looping into a hank. A hand-held figure eight! ? On first reading your message, I thought you were helping to water the garden from your own personal supply! ? Best Pat 
 ----- Original Message -----  From: ROGER BUNCE via Tech1  To: Tech-OpsMailing List  Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2018 11:35 AM Subject: [Tech1] Force of Habit 
   Got the garden hose out last night, in an attempt to save my dying flower beds - feeling slightly guilty ?about it, but there's no hose-pipe ban yet. Afterwards, I found myself doing something that came naturally. So, I just wondered, how many people in this group, when tidying away their garden hose, find themselves coiling it up in a figure-of-eight? 
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From patheigham at amps.net  Wed Aug  8 10:59:27 2018
From: patheigham at amps.net (patrickheigham)
Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2018 16:59:27 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Playout Audio levels
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Another moan about a previous gripe aired by us.

Audio playout levels:
Now that there seems to be no quality control anymore,
as it is understood that programme playout is 'automated'
from a central facility (confirm, anyone?),
I was viewing the movie 'Gold' starring the charming Roger
Moore and the equally lovely Susannah York yesterday
from the Sony Movie channel.
The level was low - necessitating a couple of more notches
on the hi-fi volume knob. When the channel went to commercial
break, the audio level jumped to a blasting height, maybe
6-10db higher. Also at the end, the audio end music was dipped
for the inevitable v/o trailing the next offering, but failed to
recover for at least 15 seconds after.

What's happened to the pride in 'presentation' now - no-one
(insert expletive of choice, mine starts with 'f') cares it seems!
I had known the sound guys on that film, and it makes a
nonsense of all our efforts to produce a decent product
if it's carelessly displayed.

Regards
Pat 


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From alawrance1 at me.com  Wed Aug  8 11:06:05 2018
From: alawrance1 at me.com (Alasdair Lawrance)
Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2018 17:06:05 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Playout Audio levels
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Still the same or similar problems going from HD to SD.  As you say, nobody cares anymore.

Alasdair Lawrance

Sent from my iPad2

> On 8 Aug 2018, at 16:59, patrickheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Another moan about a previous gripe aired by us.
>  
> Audio playout levels:
> Now that there seems to be no quality control anymore,
> as it is understood that programme playout is 'automated'
> from a central facility (confirm, anyone?),
> I was viewing the movie 'Gold' starring the charming Roger
> Moore and the equally lovely Susannah York yesterday
> from the Sony Movie channel.
> The level was low - necessitating a couple of more notches
> on the hi-fi volume knob. When the channel went to commercial
> break, the audio level jumped to a blasting height, maybe
> 6-10db higher. Also at the end, the audio end music was dipped
> for the inevitable v/o trailing the next offering, but failed to
> recover for at least 15 seconds after.
>  
> What's happened to the pride in 'presentation' now - no-one
> (insert expletive of choice, mine starts with 'f') cares it seems!
> I had known the sound guys on that film, and it makes a
> nonsense of all our efforts to produce a decent product
> if it's carelessly displayed.
>  
> Regards
> Pat 
>  
> 
> 
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From dave at davesound.co.uk  Wed Aug  8 11:30:10 2018
From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman)
Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2018 17:30:10 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Playout Audio levels
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In article <DE98DA0E-350C-401C-8DDD-0EFBA82F0848 at me.com>,
   Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> Still the same or similar problems going from HD to SD.  As you say,
> nobody cares anymore.

To be fair, there have been complaints about differing audio levels going
back to the days when things were manned rather than auto. Commercials and
trails being too loud was a common one.

Remember getting a call from a member of the public while at Thames. The
switchboard obviously wanting rid of a persistent person, so passed it on
to a sound area.

This lady was complaining about the background music drowning out
dialogue. On a feature film which had been transmitted the night before.
;-)   

As it happens, I'd watched it, so no TX problem that could have made it
worse. Or rather on 'my' transmitter.

However, I'm fairly certain some of the transfers of older progs into the
server aren't done at the right level. Looking at the average mod. Much
lower than we did in those days.

-- 
*The beatings will continue until morale improves *

    Dave Plowman     dave at davesound.co.uk     London SW 12
    


From bernie833 at gmail.com  Wed Aug  8 12:02:44 2018
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2018 18:02:44 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Playout Audio levels
In-Reply-To: <57246fcb35dave@davesound.co.uk>
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In the 1970s Alan Boyd used to get a very early compressor into Pres A 
to squash the trails sound up to six.

B



On 08/08/2018 17:30, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote:
> In article <DE98DA0E-350C-401C-8DDD-0EFBA82F0848 at me.com>,
>     Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> Still the same or similar problems going from HD to SD.  As you say,
>> nobody cares anymore.
> To be fair, there have been complaints about differing audio levels going
> back to the days when things were manned rather than auto. Commercials and
> trails being too loud was a common one.
>
> Remember getting a call from a member of the public while at Thames. The
> switchboard obviously wanting rid of a persistent person, so passed it on
> to a sound area.
>
> This lady was complaining about the background music drowning out
> dialogue. On a feature film which had been transmitted the night before.
> ;-)
>
> As it happens, I'd watched it, so no TX problem that could have made it
> worse. Or rather on 'my' transmitter.
>
> However, I'm fairly certain some of the transfers of older progs into the
> server aren't done at the right level. Looking at the average mod. Much
> lower than we did in those days.
>

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From patheigham at amps.net  Wed Aug  8 14:05:37 2018
From: patheigham at amps.net (patrickheigham)
Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2018 20:05:37 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Presentation was Playout Audio levels
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I was coerced into attending '42nd Street' at the Theatre Royal, Drury Lane
for my 75th birthday celebration in December.
A superb show - totally what a West End musical should be.
Brilliant cast - lovely music, scene changes smooth because of the fly loft
& roll on side sets and the lighting changes, must be more than a few hundred,
auto controlled.
Now that was presentation with a capital 'P'

I've been back to see the show seven times now!
Lots of friends to take to witness a brilliant production.
That's Show Business !

Pat


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Alasdair Lawrance 
  To: patrickheigham 
  Cc: Tech Ops List 
  Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2018 5:06 PM
  Subject: Re: [Tech1] Playout Audio levels


  Still the same or similar problems going from HD to SD.  As you say, nobody cares anymore.

  Alasdair Lawrance


  Sent from my iPad2

  On 8 Aug 2018, at 16:59, patrickheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-oI'v e seen it ps.co.uk> wrote:


    Another moan about a previous gripe aired by us.

    Audio playout levels:
    Now that there seems to be no quality control anymore,
    as it is understood that programme playout is 'automated'
    from a central facility (confirm, anyone?),
    I was viewing the movie 'Gold' starring the charming Roger
    Moore and the equally lovely Susannah York yesterday
    from the Sony Movie channel.
    The level was low - necessitating a couple of more notches
    on the hi-fi volume knob. When the channel went to commercial
    break, the audio level jumped to a blasting height, maybe
    6-10db higher. Also at the end, the audio end music was dipped
    for the inevitable v/o trailing the next offering, but failed to
    recover for at least 15 seconds after.

    What's happened to the pride in 'presentation' now - no-one
    (insert expletive of choice, mine starts with 'f') cares it seems!
    I had known the sound guys on that film, and it makes a
    nonsense of all our efforts to produce a decent product
    if it's carelessly displayed.

    Regards
    Pat 

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From mibridge at mac.com  Fri Aug 10 13:17:23 2018
From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles)
Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2018 19:17:23 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Force of Habit
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Doesn?t the half twist result in a coil with successive turns on opposite sides, rather than a figure of eight? When wrapping my mains leads in the garden, I avoid any twisting and end up with figures of eight  -  small (by comparison with camera cables) but perfectly formed!

Mike G

> On 8 Aug 2018, at 10:31, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> I wonder if Theoretical Physicists, working on string theory, have taken account of the Roadie Wrap?
> 
> 
> From: David Beer via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk 
> Sent: Tuesday, 7 August 2018, 14:01
> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Force of Habit
> 
> Yes, we all still do it with loose cables. But have you checked out the Roadie Wrap? https://youtu.be/kda4DPAn3C4 
> It takes a bit of practice, but works with cables and hose pipes. Just remember; 'Overworked and Underpaid!'
> Dave B
> 
>> On 07/08/2018 13:25, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 wrote:
> 
> Guilty as charged!  People laughed at me until I showed them how easy it was to lay out next time......
> 
> Alasdair Lawrance
> 
> Sent from my iPad2
> 
> On 7 Aug 2018, at 13:11, patrickheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> 
> I still do the odd recording gig, and most of my mic cables are
> wound on a drum, but any loose ones are always given a half twist
> while looping into a hank. A hand-held figure eight!
>  
> On first reading your message, I thought you were helping to
> water the garden from your own personal supply!
>  
> Best
> Pat
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: ROGER BUNCE via Tech1
> To: Tech-OpsMailing List
> Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2018 11:35 AM
> Subject: [Tech1] Force of Habit
> 
> Got the garden hose out last night, in an attempt to save my dying flower beds - feeling slightly guilty  about it, but there's no hose-pipe ban yet. Afterwards, I found myself doing something that came naturally. So, I just wondered, how many people in this group, when tidying away their garden hose, find themselves coiling it up in a figure-of-eight?
> 
> luv, Rog
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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Fri Aug 10 13:32:19 2018
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2018 19:32:19 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Force of Habit
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Pat's half-twist will give a nice round bunch of cable but a nightmare 
on the edge of the stage at the Palladium when several singers walk out 
expecting a free-flowing cable! I know, I have had to sort? out someone 
else's coiling! My mother used to coil her washing line over hand and 
elbow but that is NOT the way to do sound cables if you want a smooth 
run-out! Stick to 'roadie-wrap' and you should be OK! Cheers, Dave


On 10/08/2018 19:17, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote:
> Doesn?t the half twist result in a coil with successive turns on 
> opposite sides, rather than a figure of eight? When wrapping my mains 
> leads in the garden, I avoid any twisting and end up with figures of 
> eight ?- ?small (by comparison with camera cables) but perfectly formed!
>
> Mike G
>
> On 8 Aug 2018, at 10:31, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk 
> <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:
>
>> I wonder if Theoretical Physicists, working on string theory, have 
>> taken account of the Roadie Wrap?
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> *From:* David Beer via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk 
>> <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>>
>> *To:* tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, 7 August 2018, 14:01
>> *Subject:* Re: [Tech1] Force of Habit
>>
>> Yes, we all still do it with loose cables. But have you checked out 
>> the Roadie Wrap? https://youtu.be/kda4DPAn3C4
>> It takes a bit of practice, but works with cables and hose pipes. 
>> Just remember; 'Overworked and Underpaid!'
>> Dave B
>>
>> On 07/08/2018 13:25, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 wrote:
>> Guilty as charged! ?People laughed at me until I showed them how easy 
>> it was to lay out next time......
>>
>> Alasdair Lawrance
>>
>> Sent from my iPad2
>>
>> On 7 Aug 2018, at 13:11, patrickheigham via Tech1 
>> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:
>>
>> I still do the odd recording gig, and most of my mic cables are
>> wound on a drum, but any loose ones are always given a half twist
>> while looping into a hank. A hand-held figure eight!
>> On first reading your message, I thought you were helping to
>> water the garden from your own personal supply!
>> Best
>> Pat
>>
>>     ----- Original Message -----
>>     *From:* ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
>>     *To:* Tech-OpsMailing List <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
>>     *Sent:* Tuesday, August 07, 2018 11:35 AM
>>     *Subject:* [Tech1] Force of Habit
>>
>>     Got the garden hose out last night, in an attempt to save my
>>     dying flower beds - feeling slightly guilty ?about it, but
>>     there's no hose-pipe ban yet. Afterwards, I found myself doing
>>     something that came naturally. So, I just wondered, how many
>>     people in this group, when tidying away their garden hose, find
>>     themselves coiling it up in a figure-of-eight?
>>
>>     luv, Rog
>>
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From mibridge at mac.com  Fri Aug 10 14:20:19 2018
From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles)
Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2018 20:20:19 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Force of Habit
In-Reply-To: <068c66c3-5019-0680-e557-ca48d5a7d174@btinternet.com>
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I think a diagram is needed, because I never had a problem with coiling cables which would then unwrap freely, but I don?t recall the ?roadie-wrap?. 

Mike G

> On 10 Aug 2018, at 19:32, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Pat's half-twist will give a nice round bunch of cable but a nightmare on the edge of the stage at the Palladium when several singers walk out expecting a free-flowing cable! I know, I have had to sort  out someone else's coiling! My mother used to coil her washing line over hand and elbow but that is NOT the way to do sound cables if you want a smooth run-out! Stick to 'roadie-wrap' and you should be OK! Cheers, Dave
> 
>> On 10/08/2018 19:17, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote:
>> Doesn?t the half twist result in a coil with successive turns on opposite sides, rather than a figure of eight? When wrapping my mains leads in the garden, I avoid any twisting and end up with figures of eight  -  small (by comparison with camera cables) but perfectly formed!
>> 
>> Mike G
>> 
>> On 8 Aug 2018, at 10:31, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>>> I wonder if Theoretical Physicists, working on string theory, have taken account of the Roadie Wrap?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> From: David Beer via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
>>> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk 
>>> Sent: Tuesday, 7 August 2018, 14:01
>>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Force of Habit
>>> 
>>> Yes, we all still do it with loose cables. But have you checked out the Roadie Wrap? https://youtu.be/kda4DPAn3C4 
>>> It takes a bit of practice, but works with cables and hose pipes. Just remember; 'Overworked and Underpaid!'
>>> Dave B
>>> 
>>>> On 07/08/2018 13:25, Alasdair Lawrance via                             Tech1 wrote:
>>> 
>>> Guilty as charged!  People laughed at me until I showed them how easy it was to lay out next time......
>>> 
>>> Alasdair Lawrance
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPad2
>>> 
>>> On 7 Aug 2018, at 13:11, patrickheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I still do the odd recording gig, and most of my mic cables are
>>> wound on a drum, but any loose ones are always given a half twist
>>> while looping into a hank. A hand-held figure eight!
>>>  
>>> On first reading your message, I thought you were helping to
>>> water the garden from your own personal supply!
>>>  
>>> Best
>>> Pat
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: ROGER BUNCE via Tech1
>>> To: Tech-OpsMailing List
>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2018 11:35 AM
>>> Subject: [Tech1] Force of Habit
>>> 
>>> Got the garden hose out last night, in an attempt to save my dying flower beds - feeling slightly guilty  about it, but there's no hose-pipe ban yet. Afterwards, I found myself doing something that came naturally. So, I just wondered, how many people in this group, when tidying away their garden hose, find themselves coiling it up in a figure-of-eight?
>>> 
>>> luv, Rog
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From patheigham at amps.net  Fri Aug 10 15:02:43 2018
From: patheigham at amps.net (patrickheigham)
Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2018 21:02:43 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] TV ads
In-Reply-To: <57246fcb35dave@davesound.co.uk>
References: <530322548.1593820.1533218701367.ref@mail.yahoo.com><530322548.1593820.1533218701367@mail.yahoo.com><F14FC02877884459B3B9DAA8F80D1297@PATRICKSONY><DE98DA0E-350C-401C-8DDD-0EFBA82F0848@me.com>
	<57246fcb35dave@davesound.co.uk>
Message-ID: <C616A0A8B65A452594302E8F5690A7FC@PATRICKSONY>

OK, so maybe BBC people might not admit to watching commercial channels!!!
But I do - and I have pet current hates and loves of the ad's.
(Made a load of dosh working on commercials as a freelance!)

HATES:
Flash - the singing dog.
Finish - Baby animation

LOVE:
Pantene (punch bag) - the lass has the most kissable lips!

Oh, and I'm addicted to 'The Chase', except that although I worked with
one of the directors in the past - the episodes broadcast are some 8
years old!

Sad Pat





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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Fri Aug 10 16:32:26 2018
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2018 22:32:26 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] TV ads
In-Reply-To: <C616A0A8B65A452594302E8F5690A7FC@PATRICKSONY>
References: <530322548.1593820.1533218701367.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<530322548.1593820.1533218701367@mail.yahoo.com>
	<F14FC02877884459B3B9DAA8F80D1297@PATRICKSONY>
	<DE98DA0E-350C-401C-8DDD-0EFBA82F0848@me.com>
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	<C616A0A8B65A452594302E8F5690A7FC@PATRICKSONY>
Message-ID: <9f2fd720-c1ac-c080-7100-b469a1269fb6@btinternet.com>

I don't love any ads. but the one that makes me press the mute button is 
that awful tenor on 'Go Compare'! Cheers, Dave


On 10/08/2018 21:02, patrickheigham via Tech1 wrote:
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From waresound at msn.com  Fri Aug 10 17:35:25 2018
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2018 22:35:25 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] TV ads
In-Reply-To: <9f2fd720-c1ac-c080-7100-b469a1269fb6@btinternet.com>
References: <530322548.1593820.1533218701367.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<530322548.1593820.1533218701367@mail.yahoo.com>
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	<C616A0A8B65A452594302E8F5690A7FC@PATRICKSONY>,
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I loathe all commercials despite having worked on countless ones over the years. That intentionally naff ?awful tenor? is a good friend of mine (now retired, former member of English National Opera), and he did very well out of it - that and as the ?whistler? in the Eastenders theme!
Cheers,
Nick.
Sent from my iPad

On 10 Aug 2018, at 22:33, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk<mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:


I don't love any ads. but the one that makes me press the mute button is that awful tenor on 'Go Compare'! Cheers, Dave

On 10/08/2018 21:02, patrickheigham via Tech1 wrote:
Finish - Baby animation


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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Fri Aug 10 18:31:41 2018
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2018 00:31:41 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] TV ads
In-Reply-To: <VI1P192MB0271BFBCABBC4DDFCB24831EA7240@VI1P192MB0271.EURP192.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
References: <530322548.1593820.1533218701367.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<530322548.1593820.1533218701367@mail.yahoo.com>
	<F14FC02877884459B3B9DAA8F80D1297@PATRICKSONY>
	<DE98DA0E-350C-401C-8DDD-0EFBA82F0848@me.com>
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Message-ID: <601a5934-e90f-1d66-1f68-e7d5e1cac0ea@btinternet.com>

I am so relieved to hear that your friend was intentionally naff, Nick! 
I could have murdered him on several occasions! How is Bobbles, by the 
way? Cheers, Dave. (PS. that's Biddy Baxter's nickname for Bob Foley!)


On 10/08/2018 23:35, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote:
> I loathe all commercials despite having worked on countless ones over 
> the years. That intentionally naff ?awful tenor? is a good friend of 
> mine (now retired, former member of English National Opera), and he 
> did very well out of it - that and as the ?whistler? in the Eastenders 
> theme!
> Cheers,
> Nick.
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On 10 Aug 2018, at 22:33, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk 
> <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:
>
>> I don't love any ads. but the one that makes me press the mute button 
>> is that awful tenor on 'Go Compare'! Cheers, Dave
>>
>>
>> On 10/08/2018 21:02, patrickheigham via Tech1 wrote:
>>> Finish - Baby animation
>>
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From dave at davesound.co.uk  Sat Aug 11 04:33:48 2018
From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman)
Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2018 10:33:48 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] TV ads
In-Reply-To: <C616A0A8B65A452594302E8F5690A7FC@PATRICKSONY>
References: <C616A0A8B65A452594302E8F5690A7FC@PATRICKSONY>
Message-ID: <5725d52e92dave@davesound.co.uk>

Being quite an avid viewer of some of the repeat channels like ITV3 and
Drama, it's not so much individual ads that annoy, but now often they are
shown. Now I know I'm watching a repeat prog, but must they repeat the
same ads so often?  Of course I can record then and skip through the ads,
but sometimes I want to watch a prog as it goes out.

-- 
*OK, who stopped payment on my reality check?

    Dave Plowman     dave at davesound.co.uk     London SW 12
    


From waresound at msn.com  Sun Aug 12 06:48:01 2018
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2018 11:48:01 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] TV ads
In-Reply-To: <VI1P192MB0271BFBCABBC4DDFCB24831EA7240@VI1P192MB0271.EURP192.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
References: <530322548.1593820.1533218701367.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<530322548.1593820.1533218701367@mail.yahoo.com>
	<F14FC02877884459B3B9DAA8F80D1297@PATRICKSONY>
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	<57246fcb35dave@davesound.co.uk>
	<C616A0A8B65A452594302E8F5690A7FC@PATRICKSONY>,
	<9f2fd720-c1ac-c080-7100-b469a1269fb6@btinternet.com>,
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Message-ID: <VI1P192MB02715252B34706C14A0631F4A73A0@VI1P192MB0271.EURP192.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

Just for the record, the awful tenor isn?t my friend Rowland anymore, it?s a Welsh geezer now.
Cheers,
Nick.
Sent from my iPad

On 10 Aug 2018, at 23:35, Nick Ware <waresound at msn.com<mailto:waresound at msn.com>> wrote:

I loathe all commercials despite having worked on countless ones over the years. That intentionally naff ?awful tenor? is a good friend of mine (now retired, former member of English National Opera), and he did very well out of it - that and as the ?whistler? in the Eastenders theme!
Cheers,
Nick.
Sent from my iPad

On 10 Aug 2018, at 22:33, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk<mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:


I don't love any ads. but the one that makes me press the mute button is that awful tenor on 'Go Compare'! Cheers, Dave
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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Sun Aug 12 12:24:29 2018
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2018 18:24:29 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] TV ads
In-Reply-To: <5725d52e92dave@davesound.co.uk>
References: <C616A0A8B65A452594302E8F5690A7FC@PATRICKSONY>
	<5725d52e92dave@davesound.co.uk>
Message-ID: <0cd45c65-ee7c-a1ec-7eab-16d66fc31422@ntlworld.com>

I've become an instant fan of Simon Greenall, of whom I'd never heard 
before the other day.?? Listen to this for a while - 
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b041vvvp .? One of the characters is 
called Krzysztof, and he has an instantly recognisable voice - except it 
isn't his voice, it's one of his many accents.? Watch his showreel - 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTaBQRnBTvI

B



On 11/08/2018 10:33, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote:
> Being quite an avid viewer of some of the repeat channels like ITV3 and
> Drama, it's not so much individual ads that annoy, but now often they are
> shown. Now I know I'm watching a repeat prog, but must they repeat the
> same ads so often?  Of course I can record then and skip through the ads,
> but sometimes I want to watch a prog as it goes out.
>

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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Sun Aug 12 14:02:19 2018
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2018 20:02:19 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] TV ads
In-Reply-To: <5725d52e92dave@davesound.co.uk>
References: <C616A0A8B65A452594302E8F5690A7FC@PATRICKSONY>
	<5725d52e92dave@davesound.co.uk>
Message-ID: <eb3fc60d-f067-7401-2238-8c1f7c37a165@gmail.com>

I've become an instant fan of Simon Greenall, of whom I'd never heard 
before the other day.?? Listen to this for a while - 
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b041vvvp .? One of the characters is 
called Krzysztof, and he has an instantly recognisable voice - except it 
isn't his voice, it's one of his many accents.? Watch his showreel - 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTaBQRnBTvI

B



On 11/08/2018 10:33, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote:
> Being quite an avid viewer of some of the repeat channels like ITV3 and
> Drama, it's not so much individual ads that annoy, but now often they are
> shown. Now I know I'm watching a repeat prog, but must they repeat the
> same ads so often?  Of course I can record then and skip through the ads,
> but sometimes I want to watch a prog as it goes out.
>

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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Sun Aug 12 17:37:47 2018
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2018 23:37:47 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Helpful URLs
Message-ID: <124bb479-5445-8097-cadd-a8b0611fc832@btinternet.com>

Many years ago someone in base at OBs thought it would be a good idea to 
have a register of nice places to stay. Unfortunately, it was pointed 
out that with so many people wanting to stay at the same place there 
would be no vacancies for the people that found it! Durrh! However, now 
the internet is so enormous the problem doesn't arise so have any of you 
got favourite URLs for your everyday surfing? I will start this with 
Usenet Explorer ( an annual subscription will allow searching of all the 
alt.binaries newsgroups for anything you desire!), Astraweb (again a 
subscription needed) for all the Usenet newsgroups going back to 2009. 
Please add your personal favourites. Cheers, Dave



From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Sun Aug 12 18:03:19 2018
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2018 00:03:19 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Red Wine
Message-ID: <ce1d418a-9108-af62-3d4f-571efb9fb822@btinternet.com>

On a totally different track, please can I recommend my new favourite 
red wine to you all? It is Lindemans Gentlemans Selection, which is now 
available in Morrisons for ?6 (reduced from ?8.45!) My local wine-shop 
can't do it for less than ?8.99, due to the mass buying power of the big 
companies. It is almost as good as the Boonaburra Cab./Sauv. from the 
Shepherd Neame shop in Faversham and the Delicata Cab./Sauv. from Malta! 
Cheers, hic, Dave



From graeme.wall at icloud.com  Mon Aug 13 02:01:46 2018
From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall)
Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2018 08:01:46 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Red Wine
In-Reply-To: <ce1d418a-9108-af62-3d4f-571efb9fb822@btinternet.com>
References: <ce1d418a-9108-af62-3d4f-571efb9fb822@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <5BC370DC-4FDF-4235-AC2E-CA9DCEA0A5EC@icloud.com>

If you can find it, Don David malbec.
? 
Graeme Wall





> On 13 Aug 2018, at 00:03, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> On a totally different track, please can I recommend my new favourite red wine to you all? It is Lindemans Gentlemans Selection, which is now available in Morrisons for ?6 (reduced from ?8.45!) My local wine-shop can't do it for less than ?8.99, due to the mass buying power of the big companies. It is almost as good as the Boonaburra Cab./Sauv. from the Shepherd Neame shop in Faversham and the Delicata Cab./Sauv. from Malta! Cheers, hic, Dave
> 
> 
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From ian.hillson at gmail.com  Tue Aug 14 06:55:29 2018
From: ian.hillson at gmail.com (Ian H)
Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2018 12:55:29 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Helpful URLs
In-Reply-To: <124bb479-5445-8097-cadd-a8b0611fc832@btinternet.com>
References: <124bb479-5445-8097-cadd-a8b0611fc832@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <CAO37+kZeLfzX219rg4wtxoWRDwxToL8766-xr=fUwuRvQnUFUw@mail.gmail.com>

The Wayback Machine at archive.org if you you like travelling back in time
to see what websites were like, and when updated.

I

On Sun, Aug 12, 2018 at 11:37 PM, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
wrote:

> Many years ago someone in base at OBs thought it would be a good idea to
> have a register of nice places to stay. Unfortunately, it was pointed out
> that with so many people wanting to stay at the same place there would be
> no vacancies for the people that found it! Durrh! However, now the internet
> is so enormous the problem doesn't arise so have any of you got favourite
> URLs for your everyday surfing? I will start this with Usenet Explorer ( an
> annual subscription will allow searching of all the alt.binaries newsgroups
> for anything you desire!), Astraweb (again a subscription needed) for all
> the Usenet newsgroups going back to 2009. Please add your personal
> favourites. Cheers, Dave
>
>
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From dave at davesound.co.uk  Thu Aug 16 11:48:23 2018
From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman)
Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2018 17:48:23 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Crystal Palace.
Message-ID: <5728902614dave@davesound.co.uk>

Anyone else using this transmitter seeing 'low signal' warnings only on
HD? My TV has started doing this for the last couple of days - but still
working OK. Should add you can see the CP mast from the top of this house
so line of sight, perhaps 5 miles away.

But a pal today said his HD has stopped working totally - just the odd
blocky picture. SD normal. He lives close to here, but has a loft aerial.

-- 
*It is easier to get older than it is to get wiser.

    Dave Plowman     dave at davesound.co.uk     London SW 12
    


From martin at mridout.force9.co.uk  Thu Aug 16 12:13:45 2018
From: martin at mridout.force9.co.uk (Martin Ridout)
Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2018 18:13:45 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Crystal Palace.
In-Reply-To: <5728902614dave@davesound.co.uk>
References: <5728902614dave@davesound.co.uk>
Message-ID: <28ac255d-de5f-bdcd-7f33-f40e0d8e5fc8@mridout.force9.co.uk>

Here in West Wickham (between Bromley and Croydon) and in a valley 
without line of sight to CP, I'm still getting 10/10 for strength and 
quality for BBC1 & 2 HD.

Martin

On 16/08/2018 17:48, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote:
> Anyone else using this transmitter seeing 'low signal' warnings only on
> HD? My TV has started doing this for the last couple of days - but still
> working OK. Should add you can see the CP mast from the top of this house
> so line of sight, perhaps 5 miles away.
> 
> But a pal today said his HD has stopped working totally - just the odd
> blocky picture. SD normal. He lives close to here, but has a loft aerial.
> 


From dave at davesound.co.uk  Fri Aug 17 08:45:10 2018
From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman)
Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2018 14:45:10 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Crystal Palace.
In-Reply-To: <28ac255d-de5f-bdcd-7f33-f40e0d8e5fc8@mridout.force9.co.uk>
References: <5728902614dave@davesound.co.uk>
	<28ac255d-de5f-bdcd-7f33-f40e0d8e5fc8@mridout.force9.co.uk>
Message-ID: <572903362adave@davesound.co.uk>

Thanks, Martin. Likely just a coincidence then. There seem to have been
lots of re-tunes needed recently. So did wonder if anything else had
changed. 


In article <28ac255d-de5f-bdcd-7f33-f40e0d8e5fc8 at mridout.force9.co.uk>,
   Martin Ridout via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> Here in West Wickham (between Bromley and Croydon) and in a valley 
> without line of sight to CP, I'm still getting 10/10 for strength and 
> quality for BBC1 & 2 HD.

> Martin

> On 16/08/2018 17:48, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote:
> > Anyone else using this transmitter seeing 'low signal' warnings only on
> > HD? My TV has started doing this for the last couple of days - but still
> > working OK. Should add you can see the CP mast from the top of this house
> > so line of sight, perhaps 5 miles away.
> > 
> > But a pal today said his HD has stopped working totally - just the odd
> > blocky picture. SD normal. He lives close to here, but has a loft aerial.
> >

-- 
*CAN AN ATHEIST GET INSURANCE AGAINST ACTS OF GOD?

    Dave Plowman     dave at davesound.co.uk     London SW 12
    


From martin at mridout.force9.co.uk  Fri Aug 17 09:06:21 2018
From: martin at mridout.force9.co.uk (Martin Ridout)
Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2018 15:06:21 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Crystal Palace.
In-Reply-To: <572903362adave@davesound.co.uk>
References: <5728902614dave@davesound.co.uk>
	<28ac255d-de5f-bdcd-7f33-f40e0d8e5fc8@mridout.force9.co.uk>
	<572903362adave@davesound.co.uk>
Message-ID: <4f8ec33c-8166-9a0c-d36d-c6b1a035787c@mridout.force9.co.uk>

There was a thread ('Digital Retune') on this list back in early June 
about Freeview moving BBC4 HD and some SD channels onto new higher 
frequencies (COM7 and COM8) which are outside the scope of a standard 
Band A aerial. I found that I'd lost those channels on one TV and they 
were flaky on another. Freeview replaced my aerial (I don't have cable 
or satellite) for free, and all's well now. Magic.


On 17/08/2018 14:45, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote:
> Thanks, Martin. Likely just a coincidence then. There seem to have been
> lots of re-tunes needed recently. So did wonder if anything else had
> changed.
> 
> 
> In article <28ac255d-de5f-bdcd-7f33-f40e0d8e5fc8 at mridout.force9.co.uk>,
>     Martin Ridout via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> Here in West Wickham (between Bromley and Croydon) and in a valley
>> without line of sight to CP, I'm still getting 10/10 for strength and
>> quality for BBC1 & 2 HD.
> 
>> Martin
> 
>> On 16/08/2018 17:48, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote:
>>> Anyone else using this transmitter seeing 'low signal' warnings only on
>>> HD? My TV has started doing this for the last couple of days - but still
>>> working OK. Should add you can see the CP mast from the top of this house
>>> so line of sight, perhaps 5 miles away.
>>>
>>> But a pal today said his HD has stopped working totally - just the odd
>>> blocky picture. SD normal. He lives close to here, but has a loft aerial.
>>>
> 


From billjenkin67 at gmail.com  Fri Aug 17 12:22:23 2018
From: billjenkin67 at gmail.com (Bill Jenkin)
Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2018 18:22:23 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Crystal Palace.
In-Reply-To: <4f8ec33c-8166-9a0c-d36d-c6b1a035787c@mridout.force9.co.uk>
References: <5728902614dave@davesound.co.uk>	<28ac255d-de5f-bdcd-7f33-f40e0d8e5fc8@mridout.force9.co.uk>	<572903362adave@davesound.co.uk>
	<4f8ec33c-8166-9a0c-d36d-c6b1a035787c@mridout.force9.co.uk>
Message-ID: <000f01d4364e$dd334220$9799c660$@gmail.com>

Dave
Maybe a 4G mobile phone mast has gone up near you? This can cause problems.
Bill J

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tech1 [mailto:tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk] On Behalf Of Martin
> Ridout via Tech1
> Sent: 17 August 2018 15:06
> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Crystal Palace.
> 
> There was a thread ('Digital Retune') on this list back in early June
> about Freeview moving BBC4 HD and some SD channels onto new higher
> frequencies (COM7 and COM8) which are outside the scope of a standard
> Band A aerial. I found that I'd lost those channels on one TV and they
> were flaky on another. Freeview replaced my aerial (I don't have cable
> or satellite) for free, and all's well now. Magic.
> 
> 
> On 17/08/2018 14:45, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote:
> > Thanks, Martin. Likely just a coincidence then. There seem to have been
> > lots of re-tunes needed recently. So did wonder if anything else had
> > changed.
> >
> >
> > In article <28ac255d-de5f-bdcd-7f33-f40e0d8e5fc8 at mridout.force9.co.uk>,
> >     Martin Ridout via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> >> Here in West Wickham (between Bromley and Croydon) and in a valley
> >> without line of sight to CP, I'm still getting 10/10 for strength and
> >> quality for BBC1 & 2 HD.
> >
> >> Martin
> >
> >> On 16/08/2018 17:48, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote:
> >>> Anyone else using this transmitter seeing 'low signal' warnings only
on
> >>> HD? My TV has started doing this for the last couple of days - but
still
> >>> working OK. Should add you can see the CP mast from the top of this
> house
> >>> so line of sight, perhaps 5 miles away.
> >>>
> >>> But a pal today said his HD has stopped working totally - just the odd
> >>> blocky picture. SD normal. He lives close to here, but has a loft
aerial.
> >>>
> >
> 
> --
> Tech1 mailing list
> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk



From bernie833 at gmail.com  Fri Aug 17 12:24:00 2018
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2018 18:24:00 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Crystal Palace.
In-Reply-To: <4f8ec33c-8166-9a0c-d36d-c6b1a035787c@mridout.force9.co.uk>
References: <5728902614dave@davesound.co.uk>
	<28ac255d-de5f-bdcd-7f33-f40e0d8e5fc8@mridout.force9.co.uk>
	<572903362adave@davesound.co.uk>
	<4f8ec33c-8166-9a0c-d36d-c6b1a035787c@mridout.force9.co.uk>
Message-ID: <CAA7MLyEbhpaogmB3xu_R8HsJfyiWSo=H2wgEwDZT24zONv_khw@mail.gmail.com>

So what is now a sensible aerial for Crystal Palace? I don't know anything
about aerials

B

On Fri, 17 Aug 2018, 15:08 Martin Ridout via Tech1, <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
wrote:

> There was a thread ('Digital Retune') on this list back in early June
> about Freeview moving BBC4 HD and some SD channels onto new higher
> frequencies (COM7 and COM8) which are outside the scope of a standard
> Band A aerial. I found that I'd lost those channels on one TV and they
> were flaky on another. Freeview replaced my aerial (I don't have cable
> or satellite) for free, and all's well now. Magic.
>
>
> On 17/08/2018 14:45, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote:
> > Thanks, Martin. Likely just a coincidence then. There seem to have been
> > lots of re-tunes needed recently. So did wonder if anything else had
> > changed.
> >
> >
> > In article <28ac255d-de5f-bdcd-7f33-f40e0d8e5fc8 at mridout.force9.co.uk>,
> >     Martin Ridout via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> >> Here in West Wickham (between Bromley and Croydon) and in a valley
> >> without line of sight to CP, I'm still getting 10/10 for strength and
> >> quality for BBC1 & 2 HD.
> >
> >> Martin
> >
> >> On 16/08/2018 17:48, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote:
> >>> Anyone else using this transmitter seeing 'low signal' warnings only on
> >>> HD? My TV has started doing this for the last couple of days - but
> still
> >>> working OK. Should add you can see the CP mast from the top of this
> house
> >>> so line of sight, perhaps 5 miles away.
> >>>
> >>> But a pal today said his HD has stopped working totally - just the odd
> >>> blocky picture. SD normal. He lives close to here, but has a loft
> aerial.
> >>>
> >
>
> --
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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Fri Aug 17 13:34:02 2018
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2018 19:34:02 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Aerials
In-Reply-To: <CAA7MLyEbhpaogmB3xu_R8HsJfyiWSo=H2wgEwDZT24zONv_khw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5728902614dave@davesound.co.uk>
	<28ac255d-de5f-bdcd-7f33-f40e0d8e5fc8@mridout.force9.co.uk>
	<572903362adave@davesound.co.uk>
	<4f8ec33c-8166-9a0c-d36d-c6b1a035787c@mridout.force9.co.uk>
	<CAA7MLyEbhpaogmB3xu_R8HsJfyiWSo=H2wgEwDZT24zONv_khw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9b9a1cc1-06ba-aaf2-5ec8-bcf0df7c4e9c@btinternet.com>

How long have you got? The first B/W UHF test transmissions in London 
were on Ch.30. When the channel allocations were eventually worked out 
we had 26, 26, 30 and 33 for ITV, BBC1, Ch.4 and BBC2 respectively, ie. 
a perfectly balanced arrangement, 2 channels funded by licence fee and 2 
by adverts. Every region in the country had it's channels chosen to 
reduce interference. The gain of the original aerials for BBC1 rose 
gently from Ch.21 (the start of UHF band 4 up to Ch. 30ish and then fell 
sharply. By the time you got to Ch.33 it was well down so it was always 
more difficult to get a good signal for BBC2. Then our politicians 
decided to unbalance the whole system by inventing Ch.5 and which 
channel did they decide to put it on? Correct, on the gap between UHF 4 
and UHF 5 at around Ch.35 to 37 which had been reserved for technical 
transmissions, so that's where almost all manufacturers had put the 
output of their video recorders and so the whole country had to retune 
them!(if possible!). What a c**k up! So you can see that the older UHF 
aerials were even worse for Ch.5 than BBC2! So, many people had to 
invest in newer aerials, indeed in some regions Ch.5 had ended up at the 
top end of UHF band 5 i.e CH. 60ish! So, wide band aerials became 
necessary. The best wide band aerial was the log-periodic developed by 
the BBC and made by J-Beam. The snag was that it had fairly low gain, 
c.8.5 db, whereas some narrow band aerials got up to 12+ db. I sold 
aerials for many years and the best were from a German company called 
Fuba, (because they used anodised aluminium, the UK used bare aluminium 
which corroded), but unfortunately they stopped making them to 
concentrate on satellite dishes. The European Group A aerial was ideal 
for London as it's response went well up to Ch. 40ish, much higher than 
the UK Group A one. End of history lesson! My neighbour had a new aerial 
recently and it is a log-periodic (heaven knows why!) so they must be 
being made by someone. Cheers, Dave.


From mikej at bmanor.co.uk  Fri Aug 17 13:57:14 2018
From: mikej at bmanor.co.uk (Mike Jordan)
Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2018 19:57:14 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Aerials
In-Reply-To: <9b9a1cc1-06ba-aaf2-5ec8-bcf0df7c4e9c@btinternet.com>
References: <5728902614dave@davesound.co.uk><28ac255d-de5f-bdcd-7f33-f40e0d8e5fc8@mridout.force9.co.uk><572903362adave@davesound.co.uk><4f8ec33c-8166-9a0c-d36d-c6b1a035787c@mridout.force9.co.uk><CAA7MLyEbhpaogmB3xu_R8HsJfyiWSo=H2wgEwDZT24zONv_khw@mail.gmail.com>
	<9b9a1cc1-06ba-aaf2-5ec8-bcf0df7c4e9c@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <B4C2CD122A824CBB8501CA5AD42CF209@Gigabyte>

Dave

It doesn't end here since in London, Comm7 and 8 are up at about channel 55/56 so really a wideband aerial is needed. However they are threatened with moving yet again at some time to allow more mobile phone channels.
Comm 7 and 8 are also at a much lower power - about 40Kw as opposed to 200Kw for the main channels and there is a tiddly channel (29) for London Live - that  truly local fascinating channel with about 10seconds of live news per day and loads of old movies and series.
HD channels are spread around everywhere although most BBC ones and the main ITV channels are in channel 30.
There are also problems with many sets since the coding varies with rate and bandwidth and datastream of the video at different rates (MPEG 3 or 4)
Also - mainly outside London -  the channels are coded completely differently with shared allocations.
Lots at https://ukfree.tv/transmitters/tv/Crystal_Palace
although that is somewhat out of date.
Freeview SAY they will replace inadequate aerials but it is rather up to them what that means.

And so it goes on  - back from Band I and Band III 405 eh?

Mike


-----Original Message----- 
From: dave.mdv via Tech1 
Sent: Friday, August 17, 2018 7:34 PM 
To: Bernard Newnham ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk 
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Aerials 

How long have you got? The first B/W UHF test transmissions in London 
were on Ch.30. When the channel allocations were eventually worked out 
we had 26, 26, 30 and 33 for ITV, BBC1, Ch.4 and BBC2 respectively, ie. 
a perfectly balanced arrangement, 2 channels funded by licence fee and 2 
by adverts. Every region in the country had it's channels chosen to 
reduce interference. The gain of the original aerials for BBC1 rose 
gently from Ch.21 (the start of UHF band 4 up to Ch. 30ish and then fell 
sharply. By the time you got to Ch.33 it was well down so it was always 
more difficult to get a good signal for BBC2. Then our politicians 
decided to unbalance the whole system by inventing Ch.5 and which 
channel did they decide to put it on? Correct, on the gap between UHF 4 
and UHF 5 at around Ch.35 to 37 which had been reserved for technical 
transmissions, so that's where almost all manufacturers had put the 
output of their video recorders and so the whole country had to retune 
them!(if possible!). What a c**k up! So you can see that the older UHF 
aerials were even worse for Ch.5 than BBC2! So, many people had to 
invest in newer aerials, indeed in some regions Ch.5 had ended up at the 
top end of UHF band 5 i.e CH. 60ish! So, wide band aerials became 
necessary. The best wide band aerial was the log-periodic developed by 
the BBC and made by J-Beam. The snag was that it had fairly low gain, 
c.8.5 db, whereas some narrow band aerials got up to 12+ db. I sold 
aerials for many years and the best were from a German company called 
Fuba, (because they used anodised aluminium, the UK used bare aluminium 
which corroded), but unfortunately they stopped making them to 
concentrate on satellite dishes. The European Group A aerial was ideal 
for London as it's response went well up to Ch. 40ish, much higher than 
the UK Group A one. End of history lesson! My neighbour had a new aerial 
recently and it is a log-periodic (heaven knows why!) so they must be 
being made by someone. Cheers, Dave.

-- 
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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Fri Aug 17 14:03:37 2018
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2018 20:03:37 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] London Live
In-Reply-To: <B4C2CD122A824CBB8501CA5AD42CF209@Gigabyte>
References: <5728902614dave@davesound.co.uk>
	<28ac255d-de5f-bdcd-7f33-f40e0d8e5fc8@mridout.force9.co.uk>
	<572903362adave@davesound.co.uk>
	<4f8ec33c-8166-9a0c-d36d-c6b1a035787c@mridout.force9.co.uk>
	<CAA7MLyEbhpaogmB3xu_R8HsJfyiWSo=H2wgEwDZT24zONv_khw@mail.gmail.com>
	<9b9a1cc1-06ba-aaf2-5ec8-bcf0df7c4e9c@btinternet.com>
	<B4C2CD122A824CBB8501CA5AD42CF209@Gigabyte>
Message-ID: <152a4dc0-2dc6-a670-f4ec-0bc996f5645d@btinternet.com>

I remember the day that London Live was announced by the minister who 
declared that it was that start of a 'Golden Age' of broadcasting - it 
was the same day as the 'Farewell to OB's' wake in Covent Garden! (Not) 
Cheers, Dave


From bernie833 at gmail.com  Fri Aug 17 14:54:57 2018
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2018 20:54:57 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Aerials
In-Reply-To: <B4C2CD122A824CBB8501CA5AD42CF209@Gigabyte>
References: <5728902614dave@davesound.co.uk>
	<28ac255d-de5f-bdcd-7f33-f40e0d8e5fc8@mridout.force9.co.uk>
	<572903362adave@davesound.co.uk>
	<4f8ec33c-8166-9a0c-d36d-c6b1a035787c@mridout.force9.co.uk>
	<CAA7MLyEbhpaogmB3xu_R8HsJfyiWSo=H2wgEwDZT24zONv_khw@mail.gmail.com>
	<9b9a1cc1-06ba-aaf2-5ec8-bcf0df7c4e9c@btinternet.com>
	<B4C2CD122A824CBB8501CA5AD42CF209@Gigabyte>
Message-ID: <67118659-7a5a-2962-96ae-7c8b7e2ada76@ntlworld.com>

Can anyone be specific? Eg - is this any good -
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/TV-Aerial-4G-Filter-Triple-Boom-64-Element-Freeview-Digital-HD-Full-Install-Kit/390566296818?epid=1925405021&hash=item5aef90bcf2:g:5rMAAOSwIJlaCXxZ

confused

B


On 17/08/2018 19:57, Mike Jordan wrote:
> Dave
> It doesn't end here since in London, Comm7 and 8 are up at about 
> channel 55/56 so really a wideband aerial is needed. However they are 
> threatened with moving yet again at some time to allow more mobile 
> phone channels.
> Comm 7 and 8 are also at a much lower power - about 40Kw as opposed to 
> 200Kw for the main channels and there is a tiddly channel (29) for 
> London Live - that? truly local fascinating channel with about 
> 10seconds of live news per day and loads of old movies and series.
> HD channels are spread around everywhere although most BBC ones and 
> the main ITV channels are in channel 30.
> There are also problems with many sets since the coding varies with 
> rate and bandwidth and datastream of the video at different rates 
> (MPEG 3 or 4)
> Also - mainly outside London -? the channels are coded completely 
> differently with shared allocations.
> Lots at https://ukfree.tv/transmitters/tv/Crystal_Palace
> although that is somewhat out of date.
> Freeview SAY they will replace inadequate aerials but it is rather up 
> to them what that means.
> And so it goes on? - back from Band I and Band III 405 eh?
> Mike
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dave.mdv via Tech1
> Sent: Friday, August 17, 2018 7:34 PM
> To: Bernard Newnham ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Aerials
> How long have you got? The first B/W UHF test transmissions in London
> were on Ch.30. When the channel allocations were eventually worked out
> we had 26, 26, 30 and 33 for ITV, BBC1, Ch.4 and BBC2 respectively, ie.
> a perfectly balanced arrangement, 2 channels funded by licence fee and 2
> by adverts. Every region in the country had it's channels chosen to
> reduce interference. The gain of the original aerials for BBC1 rose
> gently from Ch.21 (the start of UHF band 4 up to Ch. 30ish and then fell
> sharply. By the time you got to Ch.33 it was well down so it was always
> more difficult to get a good signal for BBC2. Then our politicians
> decided to unbalance the whole system by inventing Ch.5 and which
> channel did they decide to put it on? Correct, on the gap between UHF 4
> and UHF 5 at around Ch.35 to 37 which had been reserved for technical
> transmissions, so that's where almost all manufacturers had put the
> output of their video recorders and so the whole country had to retune
> them!(if possible!). What a c**k up! So you can see that the older UHF
> aerials were even worse for Ch.5 than BBC2! So, many people had to
> invest in newer aerials, indeed in some regions Ch.5 had ended up at the
> top end of UHF band 5 i.e CH. 60ish! So, wide band aerials became
> necessary. The best wide band aerial was the log-periodic developed by
> the BBC and made by J-Beam. The snag was that it had fairly low gain,
> c.8.5 db, whereas some narrow band aerials got up to 12+ db. I sold
> aerials for many years and the best were from a German company called
> Fuba, (because they used anodised aluminium, the UK used bare aluminium
> which corroded), but unfortunately they stopped making them to
> concentrate on satellite dishes. The European Group A aerial was ideal
> for London as it's response went well up to Ch. 40ish, much higher than
> the UK Group A one. End of history lesson! My neighbour had a new aerial
> recently and it is a log-periodic (heaven knows why!) so they must be
> being made by someone. Cheers, Dave.
> -- 
> Tech1 mailing list
> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk

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From j at howell61.f9.co.uk  Fri Aug 17 15:06:54 2018
From: j at howell61.f9.co.uk (John Howell)
Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2018 21:06:54 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Aerials
In-Reply-To: <B4C2CD122A824CBB8501CA5AD42CF209@Gigabyte>
References: <5728902614dave@davesound.co.uk>
	<28ac255d-de5f-bdcd-7f33-f40e0d8e5fc8@mridout.force9.co.uk>
	<572903362adave@davesound.co.uk>
	<4f8ec33c-8166-9a0c-d36d-c6b1a035787c@mridout.force9.co.uk>
	<CAA7MLyEbhpaogmB3xu_R8HsJfyiWSo=H2wgEwDZT24zONv_khw@mail.gmail.com>
	<9b9a1cc1-06ba-aaf2-5ec8-bcf0df7c4e9c@btinternet.com>
	<B4C2CD122A824CBB8501CA5AD42CF209@Gigabyte>
Message-ID: <91f72ae5-40e8-91f6-04b5-96ce0707c819@howell61.f9.co.uk>

There is much information HERE 
<http://www.aerialsandtv.com/onlineaerials.html> OK they sell aerials 
but their site is very informative.

John H.



On 17/08/2018 19:57, Mike Jordan via Tech1 wrote:
> Dave
> It doesn't end here since in London, Comm7 and 8 are up at about 
> channel 55/56 so really a wideband aerial is needed. However they are 
> threatened with moving yet again at some time to allow more mobile 
> phone channels.
> Comm 7 and 8 are also at a much lower power - about 40Kw as opposed to 
> 200Kw for the main channels and there is a tiddly channel (29) for 
> London Live - that? truly local fascinating channel with about 
> 10seconds of live news per day and loads of old movies and series.
> HD channels are spread around everywhere although most BBC ones and 
> the main ITV channels are in channel 30.
> There are also problems with many sets since the coding varies with 
> rate and bandwidth and datastream of the video at different rates 
> (MPEG 3 or 4)
> Also - mainly outside London -? the channels are coded completely 
> differently with shared allocations.
> Lots at https://ukfree.tv/transmitters/tv/Crystal_Palace
> although that is somewhat out of date.
> Freeview SAY they will replace inadequate aerials but it is rather up 
> to them what that means.
> And so it goes on? - back from Band I and Band III 405 eh?
> Mike
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dave.mdv via Tech1
> Sent: Friday, August 17, 2018 7:34 PM
> To: Bernard Newnham ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Aerials
> How long have you got? The first B/W UHF test transmissions in London
> were on Ch.30. When the channel allocations were eventually worked out
> we had 26, 26, 30 and 33 for ITV, BBC1, Ch.4 and BBC2 respectively, ie.
> a perfectly balanced arrangement, 2 channels funded by licence fee and 2
> by adverts. Every region in the country had it's channels chosen to
> reduce interference. The gain of the original aerials for BBC1 rose
> gently from Ch.21 (the start of UHF band 4 up to Ch. 30ish and then fell
> sharply. By the time you got to Ch.33 it was well down so it was always
> more difficult to get a good signal for BBC2. Then our politicians
> decided to unbalance the whole system by inventing Ch.5 and which
> channel did they decide to put it on? Correct, on the gap between UHF 4
> and UHF 5 at around Ch.35 to 37 which had been reserved for technical
> transmissions, so that's where almost all manufacturers had put the
> output of their video recorders and so the whole country had to retune
> them!(if possible!). What a c**k up! So you can see that the older UHF
> aerials were even worse for Ch.5 than BBC2! So, many people had to
> invest in newer aerials, indeed in some regions Ch.5 had ended up at the
> top end of UHF band 5 i.e CH. 60ish! So, wide band aerials became
> necessary. The best wide band aerial was the log-periodic developed by
> the BBC and made by J-Beam. The snag was that it had fairly low gain,
> c.8.5 db, whereas some narrow band aerials got up to 12+ db. I sold
> aerials for many years and the best were from a German company called
> Fuba, (because they used anodised aluminium, the UK used bare aluminium
> which corroded), but unfortunately they stopped making them to
> concentrate on satellite dishes. The European Group A aerial was ideal
> for London as it's response went well up to Ch. 40ish, much higher than
> the UK Group A one. End of history lesson! My neighbour had a new aerial
> recently and it is a log-periodic (heaven knows why!) so they must be
> being made by someone. Cheers, Dave.
> -- 
> Tech1 mailing list
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From martin at theeccles.uk  Fri Aug 17 17:09:08 2018
From: martin at theeccles.uk (Martin Eccles)
Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2018 23:09:08 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Aerials
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References: <5728902614dave@davesound.co.uk>	<28ac255d-de5f-bdcd-7f33-f40e0d8e5fc8@mridout.force9.co.uk>	<572903362adave@davesound.co.uk>	<4f8ec33c-8166-9a0c-d36d-c6b1a035787c@mridout.force9.co.uk>	<CAA7MLyEbhpaogmB3xu_R8HsJfyiWSo=H2wgEwDZT24zONv_khw@mail.gmail.com>	<9b9a1cc1-06ba-aaf2-5ec8-bcf0df7c4e9c@btinternet.com>	<B4C2CD122A824CBB8501CA5AD42CF209@Gigabyte>
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Here is the ATV article about Crystal Palace and it?s new muxes 7 and 8 .

 

http://www.aerialsandtv.com/crystalpalacetx.html

 

 

For Crystal Palace we recommend the DM log <http://www.aerialsandtv.com/onlineaerials.html#DMlog>  for strong signal areas <http://www.aerialsandtv.com/aerials.html#SignalStrength> , the Log36 <http://www.aerialsandtv.com/onlineaerials.html#Log36>  or Yagi 18K <http://www.aerialsandtv.com/onlineaerials.html#Yagi18K>  for medium signal areas, the Yagi18A <http://www.aerialsandtv.com/onlineaerials.html#Yagi18s> * for outside installs in poor signal areas, the XB10A <http://www.aerialsandtv.com/onlineaerials.html#XB10A> * for loft installations <http://www.aerialsandtv.com/loftaerials.html>  in poor signal areas, and the XB16A <http://www.aerialsandtv.com/onlineaerials.html#XB16s> *  for those with the most marginal signals. Unless you have a massive loft we`d normally recommend the XB10A over the XB16A for a loft install due the smaller size of the former aerial. 

 

* The A group aerials will not pick up MUXES 7  <http://www.aerialsandtv.com/digitaltv.html#ProgrammeToMuxAllocations> & 8, if you particularly want to receive those MUXES we still recommend the DM log <http://www.aerialsandtv.com/onlineaerials.html#DMlog>  for strong signal areas <http://www.aerialsandtv.com/aerials.html#SignalStrength>  and the Log36 <http://www.aerialsandtv.com/onlineaerials.html#Log36>  or Yagi18K <http://www.aerialsandtv.com/onlineaerials.html#Yagi18K>  for medium signal areas, but for weak areas we`d recommend the DY14WB <http://www.aerialsandtv.com/onlineaerials.html#DY14WB> , though you will lose gain on the 6 main MUXES compared to an A group aerial. Alternatively, diplex a Yagi 18E <http://www.aerialsandtv.com/onlineaerials.html#Yagi18E>  with your existing A group aerial (using a CH38 diplexer <http://www.aerialsandtv.com/onlinesplittersandamps.html#TVTVdiplexers> ) to get high gain across the whole band <http://www.aerialsandtv.com/ampsandsplitters.html#AplusWideband> .

 

 

Muxes 7 and 8 are due to be turned off sometime between 2020 and 2022 so just hang on for 4 years 

and things may get back to normal.

 

Martin.

 

 

 

 

From: Tech1 <tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk> On Behalf Of Bernard Newnham via Tech1
Sent: 17 August 2018 20:55
To: Mike Jordan <mikej at bmanor.co.uk>; dave.mdv <dave.mdv at btinternet.com>; Bernard Newnham <bernie833 at gmail.com>; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Cc: Bernard Newnham <bernie833 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Aerials

 

Can anyone be specific?   Eg - is this any good -
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/TV-Aerial-4G-Filter-Triple-Boom-64-Element-Freeview-Digital-HD-Full-Install-Kit/390566296818?epid=1925405021 <https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/TV-Aerial-4G-Filter-Triple-Boom-64-Element-Freeview-Digital-HD-Full-Install-Kit/390566296818?epid=1925405021&hash=item5aef90bcf2:g:5rMAAOSwIJlaCXxZ> &hash=item5aef90bcf2:g:5rMAAOSwIJlaCXxZ

confused

B



On 17/08/2018 19:57, Mike Jordan wrote:

Dave

 

It doesn't end here since in London, Comm7 and 8 are up at about channel 55/56 so really a wideband aerial is needed. However they are threatened with moving yet again at some time to allow more mobile phone channels.

Comm 7 and 8 are also at a much lower power - about 40Kw as opposed to 200Kw for the main channels and there is a tiddly channel (29) for London Live - that  truly local fascinating channel with about 10seconds of live news per day and loads of old movies and series.

HD channels are spread around everywhere although most BBC ones and the main ITV channels are in channel 30.

There are also problems with many sets since the coding varies with rate and bandwidth and datastream of the video at different rates (MPEG 3 or 4)

Also - mainly outside London -  the channels are coded completely differently with shared allocations.

Lots at https://ukfree.tv/transmitters/tv/Crystal_Palace

although that is somewhat out of date.

Freeview SAY they will replace inadequate aerials but it is rather up to them what that means.

 

And so it goes on  - back from Band I and Band III 405 eh?

 

Mike

 

 

-----Original Message----- 

From: dave.mdv via Tech1 

Sent: Friday, August 17, 2018 7:34 PM 

To: Bernard Newnham ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>  

Subject: Re: [Tech1] Aerials 

 

How long have you got? The first B/W UHF test transmissions in London 

were on Ch.30. When the channel allocations were eventually worked out 

we had 26, 26, 30 and 33 for ITV, BBC1, Ch.4 and BBC2 respectively, ie. 

a perfectly balanced arrangement, 2 channels funded by licence fee and 2 

by adverts. Every region in the country had it's channels chosen to 

reduce interference. The gain of the original aerials for BBC1 rose 

gently from Ch.21 (the start of UHF band 4 up to Ch. 30ish and then fell 

sharply. By the time you got to Ch.33 it was well down so it was always 

more difficult to get a good signal for BBC2. Then our politicians 

decided to unbalance the whole system by inventing Ch.5 and which 

channel did they decide to put it on? Correct, on the gap between UHF 4 

and UHF 5 at around Ch.35 to 37 which had been reserved for technical 

transmissions, so that's where almost all manufacturers had put the 

output of their video recorders and so the whole country had to retune 

them!(if possible!). What a c**k up! So you can see that the older UHF 

aerials were even worse for Ch.5 than BBC2! So, many people had to 

invest in newer aerials, indeed in some regions Ch.5 had ended up at the 

top end of UHF band 5 i.e CH. 60ish! So, wide band aerials became 

necessary. The best wide band aerial was the log-periodic developed by 

the BBC and made by J-Beam. The snag was that it had fairly low gain, 

c.8.5 db, whereas some narrow band aerials got up to 12+ db. I sold 

aerials for many years and the best were from a German company called 

Fuba, (because they used anodised aluminium, the UK used bare aluminium 

which corroded), but unfortunately they stopped making them to 

concentrate on satellite dishes. The European Group A aerial was ideal 

for London as it's response went well up to Ch. 40ish, much higher than 

the UK Group A one. End of history lesson! My neighbour had a new aerial 

recently and it is a log-periodic (heaven knows why!) so they must be 

being made by someone. Cheers, Dave.

 

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From mibridge at mac.com  Fri Aug 17 17:31:16 2018
From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles)
Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2018 23:31:16 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Aerials
In-Reply-To: <009001d43676$ec3f76d0$c4be6470$@theeccles.uk>
References: <5728902614dave@davesound.co.uk>
	<28ac255d-de5f-bdcd-7f33-f40e0d8e5fc8@mridout.force9.co.uk>
	<572903362adave@davesound.co.uk>
	<4f8ec33c-8166-9a0c-d36d-c6b1a035787c@mridout.force9.co.uk>
	<CAA7MLyEbhpaogmB3xu_R8HsJfyiWSo=H2wgEwDZT24zONv_khw@mail.gmail.com>
	<9b9a1cc1-06ba-aaf2-5ec8-bcf0df7c4e9c@btinternet.com>
	<B4C2CD122A824CBB8501CA5AD42CF209@Gigabyte>
	<67118659-7a5a-2962-96ae-7c8b7e2ada76@ntlworld.com>
	<009001d43676$ec3f76d0$c4be6470$@theeccles.uk>
Message-ID: <884303B2-B0CF-42BE-8066-F0F0BE40AB74@mac.com>

That?s all clear then!

Mike G

> On 17 Aug 2018, at 23:09, Martin Eccles via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Here is the ATV article about Crystal Palace and it?s new muxes 7 and 8 .
>  
> http://www.aerialsandtv.com/crystalpalacetx.html
>  
>  
> For Crystal Palace we recommend the DM log for strong signal areas, the Log36 or Yagi 18K for medium signal areas, the Yagi18A* for outside installs in poor signal areas, the XB10A* for loft installations in poor signal areas, and the XB16A*  for those with the most marginal signals. Unless you have a massive loft we`d normally recommend the XB10A over the XB16A for a loft install due the smaller size of the former aerial. 
>  
> * The A group aerials will not pick up MUXES 7 & 8, if you particularly want to receive those MUXES we still recommend the DM log for strong signal areas and the Log36 or Yagi18K for medium signal areas, but for weak areas we`d recommend the DY14WB, though you will lose gain on the 6 main MUXES compared to an A group aerial. Alternatively, diplex a Yagi 18E with your existing A group aerial (using a CH38 diplexer) to get high gain across the whole band.
>  
>  
> Muxes 7 and 8 are due to be turned off sometime between 2020 and 2022 so just hang on for 4 years
> and things may get back to normal.
>  
> Martin.
>  
>  
>  
>  
> From: Tech1 <tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk> On Behalf Of Bernard Newnham via Tech1
> Sent: 17 August 2018 20:55
> To: Mike Jordan <mikej at bmanor.co.uk>; dave.mdv <dave.mdv at btinternet.com>; Bernard Newnham <bernie833 at gmail.com>; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> Cc: Bernard Newnham <bernie833 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Aerials
>  
> Can anyone be specific?   Eg - is this any good -
> https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/TV-Aerial-4G-Filter-Triple-Boom-64-Element-Freeview-Digital-HD-Full-Install-Kit/390566296818?epid=1925405021&hash=item5aef90bcf2:g:5rMAAOSwIJlaCXxZ
> 
> confused
> 
> B
> 
> 
> On 17/08/2018 19:57, Mike Jordan wrote:
> Dave
>  
> It doesn't end here since in London, Comm7 and 8 are up at about channel 55/56 so really a wideband aerial is needed. However they are threatened with moving yet again at some time to allow more mobile phone channels.
> Comm 7 and 8 are also at a much lower power - about 40Kw as opposed to 200Kw for the main channels and there is a tiddly channel (29) for London Live - that  truly local fascinating channel with about 10seconds of live news per day and loads of old movies and series.
> HD channels are spread around everywhere although most BBC ones and the main ITV channels are in channel 30.
> There are also problems with many sets since the coding varies with rate and bandwidth and datastream of the video at different rates (MPEG 3 or 4)
> Also - mainly outside London -  the channels are coded completely differently with shared allocations.
> Lots at https://ukfree.tv/transmitters/tv/Crystal_Palace
> although that is somewhat out of date.
> Freeview SAY they will replace inadequate aerials but it is rather up to them what that means.
>  
> And so it goes on  - back from Band I and Band III 405 eh?
>  
> Mike
>  
>  
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dave.mdv via Tech1
> Sent: Friday, August 17, 2018 7:34 PM
> To: Bernard Newnham ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk 
> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Aerials
>  
> How long have you got? The first B/W UHF test transmissions in London
> were on Ch.30. When the channel allocations were eventually worked out
> we had 26, 26, 30 and 33 for ITV, BBC1, Ch.4 and BBC2 respectively, ie.
> a perfectly balanced arrangement, 2 channels funded by licence fee and 2
> by adverts. Every region in the country had it's channels chosen to
> reduce interference. The gain of the original aerials for BBC1 rose
> gently from Ch.21 (the start of UHF band 4 up to Ch. 30ish and then fell
> sharply. By the time you got to Ch.33 it was well down so it was always
> more difficult to get a good signal for BBC2. Then our politicians
> decided to unbalance the whole system by inventing Ch.5 and which
> channel did they decide to put it on? Correct, on the gap between UHF 4
> and UHF 5 at around Ch.35 to 37 which had been reserved for technical
> transmissions, so that's where almost all manufacturers had put the
> output of their video recorders and so the whole country had to retune
> them!(if possible!). What a c**k up! So you can see that the older UHF
> aerials were even worse for Ch.5 than BBC2! So, many people had to
> invest in newer aerials, indeed in some regions Ch.5 had ended up at the
> top end of UHF band 5 i.e CH. 60ish! So, wide band aerials became
> necessary. The best wide band aerial was the log-periodic developed by
> the BBC and made by J-Beam. The snag was that it had fairly low gain,
> c.8.5 db, whereas some narrow band aerials got up to 12+ db. I sold
> aerials for many years and the best were from a German company called
> Fuba, (because they used anodised aluminium, the UK used bare aluminium
> which corroded), but unfortunately they stopped making them to
> concentrate on satellite dishes. The European Group A aerial was ideal
> for London as it's response went well up to Ch. 40ish, much higher than
> the UK Group A one. End of history lesson! My neighbour had a new aerial
> recently and it is a log-periodic (heaven knows why!) so they must be
> being made by someone. Cheers, Dave.
>  
> --
> Tech1 mailing list
> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk
>  
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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Fri Aug 17 18:12:27 2018
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2018 00:12:27 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Aerials
In-Reply-To: <884303B2-B0CF-42BE-8066-F0F0BE40AB74@mac.com>
References: <5728902614dave@davesound.co.uk>
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	<572903362adave@davesound.co.uk>
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	<CAA7MLyEbhpaogmB3xu_R8HsJfyiWSo=H2wgEwDZT24zONv_khw@mail.gmail.com>
	<9b9a1cc1-06ba-aaf2-5ec8-bcf0df7c4e9c@btinternet.com>
	<B4C2CD122A824CBB8501CA5AD42CF209@Gigabyte>
	<67118659-7a5a-2962-96ae-7c8b7e2ada76@ntlworld.com>
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... as mud, then! Basically, what you will ever need is a well-made 
log-periodic aerial (flat gain over all channels) plus a good German 
wideband aerial amplifier (because the German amps are screened in a 
metal box and the UK ones are in plastic and pick up radar pulses from 
LHR! - I know, I have suffered them!), Cheers, Dave


From dave at davesound.co.uk  Fri Aug 17 18:10:58 2018
From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman)
Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2018 00:10:58 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Crystal Palace.
In-Reply-To: <000f01d4364e$dd334220$9799c660$@gmail.com>
References: <5728902614dave@davesound.co.uk>	<28ac255d-de5f-bdcd-7f33-f40e0d8e5fc8@mridout.force9.co.uk>	<572903362adave@davesound.co.uk>
	<4f8ec33c-8166-9a0c-d36d-c6b1a035787c@mridout.force9.co.uk>
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Message-ID: <57293702ccdave@davesound.co.uk>

Don't think so, Bill. But my mate is merely in the same area - perhaps 1/4
mile away in a straight line.

I've also a feeling the 'low signal' warning has only started happening
after a software update. Signal strength and quility on the menu page is
very good, and it only shows briefly when changing channel.

My aerial is a log beam, so should be OK for all channels.     

In article <000f01d4364e$dd334220$9799c660$@gmail.com>,
   Bill Jenkin <billjenkin67 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Dave
> Maybe a 4G mobile phone mast has gone up near you? This can cause problems.
> Bill J

> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Tech1 [mailto:tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk] On Behalf Of Martin
> > Ridout via Tech1
> > Sent: 17 August 2018 15:06
> > To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> > Subject: Re: [Tech1] Crystal Palace.
> > 
> > There was a thread ('Digital Retune') on this list back in early June
> > about Freeview moving BBC4 HD and some SD channels onto new higher
> > frequencies (COM7 and COM8) which are outside the scope of a standard
> > Band A aerial. I found that I'd lost those channels on one TV and they
> > were flaky on another. Freeview replaced my aerial (I don't have cable
> > or satellite) for free, and all's well now. Magic.
> > 
> > 
> > On 17/08/2018 14:45, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote:
> > > Thanks, Martin. Likely just a coincidence then. There seem to have been
> > > lots of re-tunes needed recently. So did wonder if anything else had
> > > changed.
> > >
> > >
> > > In article <28ac255d-de5f-bdcd-7f33-f40e0d8e5fc8 at mridout.force9.co.uk>,
> > >     Martin Ridout via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> > >> Here in West Wickham (between Bromley and Croydon) and in a valley
> > >> without line of sight to CP, I'm still getting 10/10 for strength and
> > >> quality for BBC1 & 2 HD.
> > >
> > >> Martin
> > >
> > >> On 16/08/2018 17:48, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote:
> > >>> Anyone else using this transmitter seeing 'low signal' warnings only
> on
> > >>> HD? My TV has started doing this for the last couple of days - but
> still
> > >>> working OK. Should add you can see the CP mast from the top of this
> > house
> > >>> so line of sight, perhaps 5 miles away.
> > >>>
> > >>> But a pal today said his HD has stopped working totally - just the odd
> > >>> blocky picture. SD normal. He lives close to here, but has a loft
> aerial.
> > >>>
> > >
> > 
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> > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk

-- 
*Failure is not an option. It's bundled with your software.

    Dave Plowman     dave at davesound.co.uk     London SW 12
    


From hughsheppard at btinternet.com  Sat Aug 18 01:55:17 2018
From: hughsheppard at btinternet.com (Hugh Sheppard)
Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2018 07:55:17 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Radio 4: Open Country this morning
Message-ID: <78197bef-f5ea-544d-6d22-db3f1b6a4ce7@btinternet.com>

Waking early, I caught Open Country soon after 06.00 on my trusty little 
Sony SRF-M95 Walkman and earbuds. (Has anyone else still got one?)

On 'The Radnorshire Dragon', it was a gem for train buffs about the 
Mid-Wales line and other random jottings, such as that Radnorshire is 
the size of Surrey with the population of Farnham or Godalming. All in 
crystal clear stereo; on iPlayer at 
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0bf7n65

Hugh



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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Sat Aug 18 18:49:33 2018
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2018 00:49:33 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Food for thought!
Message-ID: <5ee3a336-0d52-4d30-7e72-5a1fdef82fd5@btinternet.com>

For as long as I can remember our family Saturday evening meal has been 
burger, egg, and chips. Starting with Bird's Eye Steaklets and moving on 
to Asda's 99% Beef Quarter-pounders. Just recently, Asda seems to have 
run out of the latter so we have been eating Morrisons Scottish Steak 
Quarter Pounders. I always grill the burgers with a water-filled drip 
tray underneath and later in the evening when the temperature drops I 
filter the water and put the fat in the food caddy. However, now there 
is no fat to filter out! I think we will stick to the Morrisons burgers 
from now on! Cheers, Dave.


From peter.neill at icloud.com  Sun Aug 19 03:05:57 2018
From: peter.neill at icloud.com (Peter Neill)
Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2018 09:05:57 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Food for thought!
In-Reply-To: <5ee3a336-0d52-4d30-7e72-5a1fdef82fd5@btinternet.com>
References: <5ee3a336-0d52-4d30-7e72-5a1fdef82fd5@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <0F426BAE-2BC8-4D1F-9546-63101BFDD9B6@icloud.com>

Ii don?t think horses have as much fat as cows. 

Sent from my iPhone. Apologies for typos and autocorruptions. 

> On 19 Aug 2018, at 00:49, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> For as long as I can remember our family Saturday evening meal has been burger, egg, and chips. Starting with Bird's Eye Steaklets and moving on to Asda's 99% Beef Quarter-pounders. Just recently, Asda seems to have run out of the latter so we have been eating Morrisons Scottish Steak Quarter Pounders. I always grill the burgers with a water-filled drip tray underneath and later in the evening when the temperature drops I filter the water and put the fat in the food caddy. However, now there is no fat to filter out! I think we will stick to the Morrisons burgers from now on! Cheers, Dave.
> 
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From tonynuttall at me.com  Sun Aug 19 12:22:32 2018
From: tonynuttall at me.com (William Nuttall)
Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2018 17:22:32 +0000 (GMT)
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From dave at davesound.co.uk  Mon Aug 20 05:04:20 2018
From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman)
Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2018 11:04:20 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Crystal Palace.
In-Reply-To: <57293702ccdave@davesound.co.uk>
References: <5728902614dave@davesound.co.uk>	<28ac255d-de5f-bdcd-7f33-f40e0d8e5fc8@mridout.force9.co.uk>	<572903362adave@davesound.co.uk>
	<4f8ec33c-8166-9a0c-d36d-c6b1a035787c@mridout.force9.co.uk>
	<000f01d4364e$dd334220$9799c660$@gmail.com>
	<57293702ccdave@davesound.co.uk>
Message-ID: <572a7a8013dave@davesound.co.uk>

Bit of an update. TV showed 'new channels available' so did a re-tune. And
lost all the HD ones.

Tried again, but watched the menu as it tuned.

Everything was showing 10/10 signal, except CH30 (HD in the CP area) which
reported 1/10. But did get the HD channels back again.

Channels below and above 30 showed full strength - as I'd expect given my
location.

My PRV is daisy chained with the aerial, and seems to show full strength
too - although I'm not sure it shows it by channel number as on the TV.

I have tried plugging the TV in direct to the aerial using a different
lead. Still shows low signal on HD.

I'm now even more confused than usual. TV was bought from John Lewis and
is still under their warranty. Could it be faulty?           



In article <57293702ccdave at davesound.co.uk>,
   Dave Plowman <dave at davesound.co.uk> wrote:
> Don't think so, Bill. But my mate is merely in the same area - perhaps 1/4
> mile away in a straight line.

> I've also a feeling the 'low signal' warning has only started happening
> after a software update. Signal strength and quility on the menu page is
> very good, and it only shows briefly when changing channel.

> My aerial is a log beam, so should be OK for all channels.

-- 
*Age is a very high price to pay for maturity.

    Dave Plowman     dave at davesound.co.uk     London SW 12
    


From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Mon Aug 20 06:23:16 2018
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2018 12:23:16 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Crystal Palace.
In-Reply-To: <572a7a8013dave@davesound.co.uk>
References: <5728902614dave@davesound.co.uk>
	<28ac255d-de5f-bdcd-7f33-f40e0d8e5fc8@mridout.force9.co.uk>
	<572903362adave@davesound.co.uk>
	<4f8ec33c-8166-9a0c-d36d-c6b1a035787c@mridout.force9.co.uk>
	<000f01d4364e$dd334220$9799c660$@gmail.com>
	<57293702ccdave@davesound.co.uk> <572a7a8013dave@davesound.co.uk>
Message-ID: <c394c3da-19b4-0376-26cc-42b884ab3e2c@btinternet.com>

My old Technika set-top box has lost all of my HD channels, but my new 
BT YouView UHD box has 6, although I am on 'super fast fibre' (to the 
cabinet!) and receive Crystal Palace very well. My daughter in Somerset 
has 17 HD channels on her BT YouView box! My d/l speed also seems to be 
getting slower recently. Cheers, Dave.


From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Mon Aug 20 08:55:38 2018
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2018 14:55:38 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] On a Lighter Note :- Care Home Sorted
In-Reply-To: <1246ab12-0027-49d5-a078-040fa3fc8938@me.com>
References: <1246ab12-0027-49d5-a078-040fa3fc8938@me.com>
Message-ID: <3e518658-ed3c-0bc6-9f47-d43587ce5013@btinternet.com>

Where do I apply for it? Cheers, Dave


From jpn at imixmics.co.uk  Mon Aug 20 11:09:53 2018
From: jpn at imixmics.co.uk (John Nottage)
Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2018 17:09:53 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [Tech1] Crystal Palace.
In-Reply-To: <c394c3da-19b4-0376-26cc-42b884ab3e2c@btinternet.com>
References: <5728902614dave@davesound.co.uk>
	<28ac255d-de5f-bdcd-7f33-f40e0d8e5fc8@mridout.force9.co.uk>
	<572903362adave@davesound.co.uk>
	<4f8ec33c-8166-9a0c-d36d-c6b1a035787c@mridout.force9.co.uk>
	<000f01d4364e$dd334220$9799c660$@gmail.com>
	<57293702ccdave@davesound.co.uk> <572a7a8013dave@davesound.co.uk>
	<c394c3da-19b4-0376-26cc-42b884ab3e2c@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <1277281793.620517.1534781393315@email.1and1.co.uk>

Go to:

http://www.digitaluk.co.uk/coveragechecker/main/index/dummy/NA/yes

Pop in your postcode & it will tell you expected reception. Our HD reception is now rubbish since the June retune - all to release channels for mobile phones!

John

> On 20 August 2018 at 12:23 "dave.mdv via Tech1" <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> 
> My old Technika set-top box has lost all of my HD channels, but my new 
> BT YouView UHD box has 6, although I am on 'super fast fibre' (to the 
> cabinet!) and receive Crystal Palace very well. My daughter in Somerset 
> has 17 HD channels on her BT YouView box! My d/l speed also seems to be 
> getting slower recently. Cheers, Dave.
> 
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From alawrance1 at me.com  Mon Aug 20 11:25:04 2018
From: alawrance1 at me.com (Alasdair Lawrance)
Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2018 17:25:04 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] On a Lighter Note :- Care Home Sorted
In-Reply-To: <3e518658-ed3c-0bc6-9f47-d43587ce5013@btinternet.com>
References: <1246ab12-0027-49d5-a078-040fa3fc8938@me.com>
	<3e518658-ed3c-0bc6-9f47-d43587ce5013@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <9CFC02C7-5CCF-4A9A-A9A9-75FE2BDCEE1C@me.com>

Just make sure you're not sent to Brum in the care of G4S......

Alasdair Lawrance

Sent from my iPad2

> On 20 Aug 2018, at 14:55, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Where do I apply for it? Cheers, Dave
> 
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From waresound at msn.com  Mon Aug 20 11:44:48 2018
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2018 16:44:48 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] On a Lighter Note :- Care Home Sorted
In-Reply-To: <9CFC02C7-5CCF-4A9A-A9A9-75FE2BDCEE1C@me.com>
References: <1246ab12-0027-49d5-a078-040fa3fc8938@me.com>
	<3e518658-ed3c-0bc6-9f47-d43587ce5013@btinternet.com>,
	<9CFC02C7-5CCF-4A9A-A9A9-75FE2BDCEE1C@me.com>
Message-ID: <VI1P192MB027129FBED9FFBED0A61F4B5A7320@VI1P192MB0271.EURP192.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>


Particularly now that it has been taken back under Government management (in today?s news).
Sent from my iPad

On 20 Aug 2018, at 17:25, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk<mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:

Just make sure you're not sent to Brum in the care of G4S......

Alasdair Lawrance

Sent from my iPad2

On 20 Aug 2018, at 14:55, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk<mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:

Where do I apply for it? Cheers, Dave

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From waresound at msn.com  Mon Aug 20 12:08:44 2018
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2018 17:08:44 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Crystal Palace.
In-Reply-To: <c394c3da-19b4-0376-26cc-42b884ab3e2c@btinternet.com>
References: <5728902614dave@davesound.co.uk>
	<28ac255d-de5f-bdcd-7f33-f40e0d8e5fc8@mridout.force9.co.uk>
	<572903362adave@davesound.co.uk>
	<4f8ec33c-8166-9a0c-d36d-c6b1a035787c@mridout.force9.co.uk>
	<000f01d4364e$dd334220$9799c660$@gmail.com>	<57293702ccdave@davesound.co.uk>
	<572a7a8013dave@davesound.co.uk>,
	<c394c3da-19b4-0376-26cc-42b884ab3e2c@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <VI1P192MB0271179559CB3FCE089783F3A7320@VI1P192MB0271.EURP192.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

Here in Ripley we?re in line of sight (give or take a few trees) of the Guildford transmitter which seems to be OK despite the fact we?re on the back of its Southwest facing cardioid.
On another chimney, feeding the kitchen TV, plus a Sagemcom set-top box in my ?office?, is a 25 year old aerial pointing at a quirky droopy angle thanks to a pair very obese pigeons who like to sit on it and watch the traffic go by. That aerial is pointing vaguely at CP but can?t see it, and via an RF booster/distribution amp, which I think has around 6 to 9 dB gain, we get six HD channels with no low signal warnings.
So maybe a booster is what you need.
In the sitting room, a Humax Freesat PVR has no reception problems.
Cheers,
Nick.
Sent from my iPad

On 20 Aug 2018, at 12:23, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk<mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:

My old Technika set-top box has lost all of my HD channels, but my new BT YouView UHD box has 6, although I am on 'super fast fibre' (to the cabinet!) and receive Crystal Palace very well. My daughter in Somerset has 17 HD channels on her BT YouView box! My d/l speed also seems to be getting slower recently. Cheers, Dave.

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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Mon Aug 20 12:14:46 2018
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2018 18:14:46 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] G4S
In-Reply-To: <9CFC02C7-5CCF-4A9A-A9A9-75FE2BDCEE1C@me.com>
References: <1246ab12-0027-49d5-a078-040fa3fc8938@me.com>
	<3e518658-ed3c-0bc6-9f47-d43587ce5013@btinternet.com>
	<9CFC02C7-5CCF-4A9A-A9A9-75FE2BDCEE1C@me.com>
Message-ID: <58021601-fe45-0297-4e21-806d31b59b78@btinternet.com>

Given their propensity for losing prisoners I'm surprised that there are 
any left in the Birmingham jail! Cheers, Dave


From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Mon Aug 20 12:24:23 2018
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2018 18:24:23 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Crystal Palace.
In-Reply-To: <1277281793.620517.1534781393315@email.1and1.co.uk>
References: <5728902614dave@davesound.co.uk>
	<28ac255d-de5f-bdcd-7f33-f40e0d8e5fc8@mridout.force9.co.uk>
	<572903362adave@davesound.co.uk>
	<4f8ec33c-8166-9a0c-d36d-c6b1a035787c@mridout.force9.co.uk>
	<000f01d4364e$dd334220$9799c660$@gmail.com>
	<57293702ccdave@davesound.co.uk> <572a7a8013dave@davesound.co.uk>
	<c394c3da-19b4-0376-26cc-42b884ab3e2c@btinternet.com>
	<1277281793.620517.1534781393315@email.1and1.co.uk>
Message-ID: <e790d4be-2643-8b84-7bf5-e005bf1a144a@btinternet.com>

Thanks John, now I can see why I have lost all HD channels!!!! They have 
moved to Ch. 55 and 56 and nobody informed us! Cheers, Dave


From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Mon Aug 20 12:48:35 2018
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2018 18:48:35 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Crystal Palace.
In-Reply-To: <VI1P192MB0271179559CB3FCE089783F3A7320@VI1P192MB0271.EURP192.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
References: <5728902614dave@davesound.co.uk>
	<28ac255d-de5f-bdcd-7f33-f40e0d8e5fc8@mridout.force9.co.uk>
	<572903362adave@davesound.co.uk>
	<4f8ec33c-8166-9a0c-d36d-c6b1a035787c@mridout.force9.co.uk>
	<000f01d4364e$dd334220$9799c660$@gmail.com>
	<57293702ccdave@davesound.co.uk> <572a7a8013dave@davesound.co.uk>
	<c394c3da-19b4-0376-26cc-42b884ab3e2c@btinternet.com>
	<VI1P192MB0271179559CB3FCE089783F3A7320@VI1P192MB0271.EURP192.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
Message-ID: <583cf30b-0e5a-299f-1601-b5ffc2f69865@btinternet.com>

Thanks Nick, but now I know where the HD channels have been moved to 
it's a wideband aerial I need! My current European Group A one covers up 
to Ch. 42 (just) so Ch. 55 and 56 are well beyond it. Just thinks how 
many Londoners will need them as well! I'd better go back into selling 
aerials again! Now, who said that Freeview gave them a new aerial? 
Martin Ridout, how did you manage it? Cheers, Dave


From pat.heigham at btinternet.com  Mon Aug 20 13:36:44 2018
From: pat.heigham at btinternet.com (patheigham)
Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2018 19:36:44 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Crystal Palace.
In-Reply-To: <572a7a8013dave@davesound.co.uk>
References: <5728902614dave@davesound.co.uk>	<28ac255d-de5f-bdcd-7f33-f40e0d8e5fc8@mridout.force9.co.uk>	<572903362adave@davesound.co.uk><4f8ec33c-8166-9a0c-d36d-c6b1a035787c@mridout.force9.co.uk><000f01d4364e$dd334220$9799c660$@gmail.com><57293702ccdave@davesound.co.uk>
	<572a7a8013dave@davesound.co.uk>
Message-ID: <71B7B96EA55F4A94BAB7A4A05017BC58@PATRICKSONY>

Just South of Leatherhead, my block of flats had
Cranleigh Systems installed:
Roof mounted High Gain UHF TV suitable for Digital reception,
and Omni FM radio aerials into Minikom MATV5393
Distribution amplifier in loft space feeds all eight flats via splitters.
I had the engineer prance about on the roof with a signal strength
meter to fix the optimum point for the aerial mast.

He did visit recently and suggested a new aerial.
But as far as I can ascertain, all HD channels are present.
If you want contact details for Cranleigh Systems, let me
know.

Best
Pat


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave Plowman via Tech1" <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
To: <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
Sent: Monday, August 20, 2018 11:04 AM
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Crystal Palace.


> Bit of an update. TV showed 'new channels available' so did a re-tune. And
> lost all the HD ones.
>
> Tried again, but watched the menu as it tuned.
>
> Everything was showing 10/10 signal, except CH30 (HD in the CP area) which
> reported 1/10. But did get the HD channels back again.
>
> Channels below and above 30 showed full strength - as I'd expect given my
> location.
>
> My PRV is daisy chained with the aerial, and seems to show full strength
> too - although I'm not sure it shows it by channel number as on the TV.
>
> I have tried plugging the TV in direct to the aerial using a different
> lead. Still shows low signal on HD.
>
> I'm now even more confused than usual. TV was bought from John Lewis and
> is still under their warranty. Could it be faulty?
ops.co.uk 


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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Tue Aug 21 07:07:28 2018
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2018 13:07:28 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Thunderbird
Message-ID: <09f56f97-0f1a-18ef-a349-bd9b01c183f6@btinternet.com>

My wife wants to email a friend who has poor eyesight and would like the 
received email's font to be larger than normal. Any ideas? Cheers, Dave


From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Tue Aug 21 08:37:58 2018
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2018 14:37:58 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Thunderbird
In-Reply-To: <2EDF2E8F3392448D8654EBD44F6D81EE@PATRICKSONY>
References: <09f56f97-0f1a-18ef-a349-bd9b01c183f6@btinternet.com>
	<2EDF2E8F3392448D8654EBD44F6D81EE@PATRICKSONY>
Message-ID: <eee6a07c-6693-3ba4-5c76-4c7c5131a08b@btinternet.com>

Thanks Pat.


From dave at davesound.co.uk  Tue Aug 21 10:02:22 2018
From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman)
Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2018 16:02:22 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Thunderbird
In-Reply-To: <09f56f97-0f1a-18ef-a349-bd9b01c183f6@btinternet.com>
References: <09f56f97-0f1a-18ef-a349-bd9b01c183f6@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <572b199f8adave@davesound.co.uk>

In article <09f56f97-0f1a-18ef-a349-bd9b01c183f6 at btinternet.com>,
   dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> My wife wants to email a friend who has poor eyesight and would like the 
> received email's font to be larger than normal. Any ideas? Cheers, Dave


If it is a plain text email like this one, the data is simply ACSII. Which
means the computer programme you use to read it creates the fonts and size.

If HTML, the sender decides on both. 

But all PCs I've seen allow you to set a larger text size than 'normal' if
you want to.

-- 
*If at first you do succeed, try not to look too astonished.

    Dave Plowman     dave at davesound.co.uk     London SW 12
    


From geoffletch at gmail.com  Tue Aug 21 14:20:29 2018
From: geoffletch at gmail.com (Geoff Fletcher)
Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2018 20:20:29 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Thunderbird
In-Reply-To: <572b199f8adave@davesound.co.uk>
References: <09f56f97-0f1a-18ef-a349-bd9b01c183f6@btinternet.com>
	<572b199f8adave@davesound.co.uk>
Message-ID: <CAB99AB9UDnOeE9OLL=UW0nO_3-p56R-Dop3Bs6r6w_AL2ypLmA@mail.gmail.com>

And Macs too.
Geoff F

On Tue, 21 Aug 2018 at 16:12, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
wrote:

> In article <09f56f97-0f1a-18ef-a349-bd9b01c183f6 at btinternet.com>,
>    dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> > My wife wants to email a friend who has poor eyesight and would like the
> > received email's font to be larger than normal. Any ideas? Cheers, Dave
>
>
> If it is a plain text email like this one, the data is simply ACSII. Which
> means the computer programme you use to read it creates the fonts and size.
>
> If HTML, the sender decides on both.
>
> But all PCs I've seen allow you to set a larger text size than 'normal' if
> you want to.
>
> --
> *If at first you do succeed, try not to look too astonished.
>
>     Dave Plowman     dave at davesound.co.uk     London SW 12
>
>
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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Tue Aug 21 11:37:03 2018
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2018 17:37:03 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Thunderbird
In-Reply-To: <572b199f8adave@davesound.co.uk>
References: <09f56f97-0f1a-18ef-a349-bd9b01c183f6@btinternet.com>
	<572b199f8adave@davesound.co.uk>
Message-ID: <86e176f5-84bd-d04a-c99b-bb89092794b2@ntlworld.com>

...though often emails are sent in html , and using - say - Thunderbird 
- you can select all the text and use Format > Size > Large to adjust

B



On 21/08/2018 16:02, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote:
> In article <09f56f97-0f1a-18ef-a349-bd9b01c183f6 at btinternet.com>,
>     dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> My wife wants to email a friend who has poor eyesight and would like the
>> received email's font to be larger than normal. Any ideas? Cheers, Dave
>
> If it is a plain text email like this one, the data is simply ACSII. Which
> means the computer programme you use to read it creates the fonts and size.
>
> If HTML, the sender decides on both.
>
> But all PCs I've seen allow you to set a larger text size than 'normal' if
> you want to.
>

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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Tue Aug 21 11:37:21 2018
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2018 17:37:21 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Thunderbird
In-Reply-To: <572b199f8adave@davesound.co.uk>
References: <09f56f97-0f1a-18ef-a349-bd9b01c183f6@btinternet.com>
	<572b199f8adave@davesound.co.uk>
Message-ID: <10a49df7-f8de-76d2-99b1-86f8df3d7299@gmail.com>

...though often emails are sent in html , and using - say - Thunderbird 
- you can select all the text and use Format > Size > Large to adjust

B



On 21/08/2018 16:02, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote:
> In article<09f56f97-0f1a-18ef-a349-bd9b01c183f6 at btinternet.com>,
>     dave.mdv via Tech1<tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>  wrote:
>> My wife wants to email a friend who has poor eyesight and would like the
>> received email's font to be larger than normal. Any ideas? Cheers, Dave
> If it is a plain text email like this one, the data is simply ACSII. Which
> means the computer programme you use to read it creates the fonts and size.
>
> If HTML, the sender decides on both.
>
> But all PCs I've seen allow you to set a larger text size than 'normal' if
> you want to.
>

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From grahamthecameraman at icloud.com  Tue Aug 21 16:52:50 2018
From: grahamthecameraman at icloud.com (Graham Maunder)
Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2018 22:52:50 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Eighting the hose
Message-ID: <B2138BCE-E6C4-4AB9-A4C4-9C8874EB390D@icloud.com>

Saw my wife doing this earlier this evening!! If you can?t beat them, join them, I guess!!!
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Graham Maunder
A51, TO10, Awfully Nice Video

Sent from my iPhone 

From geoffletch at gmail.com  Wed Aug 22 11:40:05 2018
From: geoffletch at gmail.com (Geoff Fletcher)
Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2018 17:40:05 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Eighting the hose
In-Reply-To: <B2138BCE-E6C4-4AB9-A4C4-9C8874EB390D@icloud.com>
References: <B2138BCE-E6C4-4AB9-A4C4-9C8874EB390D@icloud.com>
Message-ID: <CAB99AB9zP1s4Q+=xQMWJCBPfY93Cz5VpkhTN76x0Nk+-hi3btg@mail.gmail.com>

My wife eights up our hose too. Mind you she is ex TV make up so I guess it
comes from seeing us camera guys doing it back in the day!
Geoff F

On Tue, 21 Aug 2018 at 22:53, Graham Maunder via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
wrote:

> Saw my wife doing this earlier this evening!! If you can?t beat them, join
> them, I guess!!!
>
>
> Graham Maunder
> A51, TO10, Awfully Nice Video
>
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From waresound at msn.com  Wed Aug 22 13:04:13 2018
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2018 18:04:13 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Eighting the hose
In-Reply-To: <CAB99AB9zP1s4Q+=xQMWJCBPfY93Cz5VpkhTN76x0Nk+-hi3btg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <B2138BCE-E6C4-4AB9-A4C4-9C8874EB390D@icloud.com>,
	<CAB99AB9zP1s4Q+=xQMWJCBPfY93Cz5VpkhTN76x0Nk+-hi3btg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <VI1P192MB0271AB63792A9517E5539AE6A7300@VI1P192MB0271.EURP192.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

Ours is on a hose-reel, but:
My wife is the OCD daughter of an ultra-OCD father. The only time she ever uses the hose is to top up her windscreen washer. You?d think a kettle would do, but no. Out goes the full length of the hose, and when she?s done, trailing across the garden it stays. All of it. It seems OCD only applies to indoors! Eighting, over and under, or even winding back onto the reel are definitely not on her radar!

Now here?s a thing. It?s a new hose, and when I turn it on, for the first 30 seconds or so, the water comes out frothy. Seriously frothy. There was nothing in the packaging to suggest it is pre-soap-lined for car washing or something, but that?s how it seems to be.
Fortunately the tomatoes  must like it ?cos they?ve excelled this year.
Happy days,
Nick.
Sent from my iPad

On 22 Aug 2018, at 17:40, Geoff Fletcher via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk<mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:

My wife eights up our hose too. Mind you she is ex TV make up so I guess it comes from seeing us camera guys doing it back in the day!
Geoff F

On Tue, 21 Aug 2018 at 22:53, Graham Maunder via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk<mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:
Saw my wife doing this earlier this evening!! If you can?t beat them, join them, I guess!!!


Graham Maunder
A51, TO10, Awfully Nice Video

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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Thu Aug 23 04:40:55 2018
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2018 10:40:55 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Class
Message-ID: <fce4ecda-676c-0471-4e07-03a424187d01@gmail.com>

Jeremy Corbyn apparently wants the staff of the BBC to declare 
ethnicity, religion, gender, class etc.?? I can't help thinking that if 
it were done he'd get a good number of Jedi Knights and "I'm think about 
being transgender", but what interested me was the class bit .

I grew up by anyone's definition as working class, not far off a Monty 
Python sketch, but these days I am quite obviously middle class - big 
house etc.? When did I change?? I rather think it was the day - 25th 
April 1966 - when I joined tech ops.? Or was it a long gradual process? 
What are you these days - what would you put down?

B
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From dave at davesound.co.uk  Thu Aug 23 04:53:32 2018
From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman)
Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2018 10:53:32 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Thunderbird
In-Reply-To: <10a49df7-f8de-76d2-99b1-86f8df3d7299@gmail.com>
References: <09f56f97-0f1a-18ef-a349-bd9b01c183f6@btinternet.com>
	<572b199f8adave@davesound.co.uk>
	<10a49df7-f8de-76d2-99b1-86f8df3d7299@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <572c050535dave@davesound.co.uk>

In article <10a49df7-f8de-76d2-99b1-86f8df3d7299 at gmail.com>,
   Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> ...though often emails are sent in html , and using - say - Thunderbird 
> - you can select all the text and use Format > Size > Large to adjust

Never quite understood why so many emails are sent as HTML. If you sending
a letter to someone, would you add graphics etc for no good reason? And if
you do need a hard copy for some reason, just wastes printer ink. As well
as taking up more HD etc space to save - if you need to keep it.

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    Dave Plowman     dave at davesound.co.uk     London SW 12
    


From mikej at bmanor.co.uk  Thu Aug 23 05:31:38 2018
From: mikej at bmanor.co.uk (Mike Jordan)
Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2018 11:31:38 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Thunderbird
In-Reply-To: <572c050535dave@davesound.co.uk>
References: <09f56f97-0f1a-18ef-a349-bd9b01c183f6@btinternet.com><572b199f8adave@davesound.co.uk><10a49df7-f8de-76d2-99b1-86f8df3d7299@gmail.com>
	<572c050535dave@davesound.co.uk>
Message-ID: <139AABA4001F49FAB609238E07C47C61@Gigabyte>

If you are intent on copying and pasting a URL in your message, it can 
appear in blue etc if in HTML.
If you are worried about printer ink (or toner powder?) one can remove most 
of the information previously posted such as "from/to/subject" or text of 
what you are replying to. Also remove those little things like joky lines 
and the bottom of these e-mails all about the tech-ops website. Even years 
ago, people did put little hand drawn graphics in letters when sending to 
their loved (or hated) ones.

Aren't I a nasty person saying this to Dave especially with his fun lines?

Mike

-----Original Message----- 
From: Dave Plowman via Tech1
Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2018 10:53 AM
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Thunderbird

In article <10a49df7-f8de-76d2-99b1-86f8df3d7299 at gmail.com>,
   Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> ...though often emails are sent in html , and using - say - Thunderbird
> - you can select all the text and use Format > Size > Large to adjust

Never quite understood why so many emails are sent as HTML. If you sending
a letter to someone, would you add graphics etc for no good reason? And if
you do need a hard copy for some reason, just wastes printer ink. As well
as taking up more HD etc space to save - if you need to keep it.

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From ian.hillson at gmail.com  Thu Aug 23 07:41:01 2018
From: ian.hillson at gmail.com (Ian H)
Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2018 13:41:01 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] G4S
In-Reply-To: <58021601-fe45-0297-4e21-806d31b59b78@btinternet.com>
References: <1246ab12-0027-49d5-a078-040fa3fc8938@me.com>
	<3e518658-ed3c-0bc6-9f47-d43587ce5013@btinternet.com>
	<9CFC02C7-5CCF-4A9A-A9A9-75FE2BDCEE1C@me.com>
	<58021601-fe45-0297-4e21-806d31b59b78@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <CAO37+kYk4nPX0rTSDyUjsa29AaXsy9Jc0OhfTxfr6dX9KKXSCQ@mail.gmail.com>

>From The Times a couple of days ago:
[image: G4S.jpg]

On Mon, Aug 20, 2018 at 6:16 PM dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
wrote:

> Given their propensity for losing prisoners I'm surprised that there are
> any left in the Birmingham jail! Cheers, Dave
>
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From ian.hillson at gmail.com  Thu Aug 23 07:43:21 2018
From: ian.hillson at gmail.com (Ian H)
Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2018 13:43:21 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Class
In-Reply-To: <fce4ecda-676c-0471-4e07-03a424187d01@gmail.com>
References: <fce4ecda-676c-0471-4e07-03a424187d01@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAO37+kYUHqpzfCu31nfUFKAHijfxhUMwO_AyRuBNy0dBMRCiVA@mail.gmail.com>

Corbyn was asked if the Labour Party would do likewise... ?


On Thu, Aug 23, 2018 at 10:41 AM Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <
tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

> Jeremy Corbyn apparently wants the staff of the BBC to declare ethnicity,
> religion, gender, class etc.   I can't help thinking that if it were done
> he'd get a good number of Jedi Knights and "I'm think about being
> transgender", but what interested me was the class bit .
>
> I grew up by anyone's definition as working class, not far off a Monty
> Python sketch, but these days I am quite obviously middle class - big
> house etc.  When did I change?  I rather think it was the day - 25th
> April 1966 - when I joined tech ops.  Or was it a long gradual process?
> What are you these days - what would you put down?
>
> B
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From alawrance1 at me.com  Thu Aug 23 08:32:05 2018
From: alawrance1 at me.com (Alasdair Lawrance)
Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2018 14:32:05 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Class
In-Reply-To: <fce4ecda-676c-0471-4e07-03a424187d01@gmail.com>
References: <fce4ecda-676c-0471-4e07-03a424187d01@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A34DAEDF-237A-48E5-B797-CC02CCD75675@me.com>

Definitely middle class. Why?  Personalised number plate and a gas barbecue, that?s why!


Alasdair Lawrance
alawrance1 at me.com

Sent from my iPhone4




On 23 Aug 2018, at 10:40, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

Jeremy Corbyn apparently wants the staff of the BBC to declare ethnicity, religion, gender, class etc.   I can't help thinking that if it were done he'd get a good number of Jedi Knights and "I'm think about being transgender", but what interested me was the class bit .

I grew up by anyone's definition as working class, not far off a Monty Python sketch, but these days I am quite obviously middle class - big house etc.  When did I change?  I rather think it was the day - 25th April 1966 - when I joined tech ops.  Or was it a long gradual process? What are you these days - what would you put down?

B
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From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk  Thu Aug 23 08:56:59 2018
From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf)
Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2018 14:56:59 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Class
In-Reply-To: <A34DAEDF-237A-48E5-B797-CC02CCD75675@me.com>
References: <fce4ecda-676c-0471-4e07-03a424187d01@gmail.com>
	<A34DAEDF-237A-48E5-B797-CC02CCD75675@me.com>
Message-ID: <167169ea-01fa-023d-a0ef-a8a162d26a91@chriswoolf.co.uk>

M'dear, if you have "class" then you don't need to tell anyone that you 
have it...

Chris Woolf


On 23/08/2018 14:32, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 wrote:
> Definitely middle class. Why? ?Personalised number plate and a gas 
> barbecue, that?s why!
>
>
> Alasdair Lawrance
> alawrance1 at me.com <mailto:alawrance1 at me.com>
>
> Sent from my iPhone4
>
>
>
>
> On 23 Aug 2018, at 10:40, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 
> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:
>
> Jeremy Corbyn apparently wants the staff of the BBC to declare 
> ethnicity, religion, gender, class etc.?? I can't help thinking that 
> if it were done he'd get a good number of Jedi Knights and "I'm think 
> about being transgender", but what interested me was the class bit .
>
> I grew up by anyone's definition as working class, not far off a Monty 
> Python sketch, but these days I am quite obviously middle class - big 
> house etc. When did I change?? I rather think it was the day - 25th 
> April 1966 - when I joined tech ops.? Or was it a long gradual 
> process? What are you these days - what would you put down?
>
> B
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From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk  Thu Aug 23 09:02:33 2018
From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf)
Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2018 15:02:33 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Class
In-Reply-To: <fce4ecda-676c-0471-4e07-03a424187d01@gmail.com>
References: <fce4ecda-676c-0471-4e07-03a424187d01@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <fd7efdf1-ddda-41cb-a439-7e6b86c602c8@chriswoolf.co.uk>


On 23/08/2018 10:40, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote:
> Jeremy Corbyn apparently wants the staff of the BBC to declare 
> ethnicity, religion, gender, class etc.

I had declare some of this when I was a long-term platelet donor. At 
least that had a medical relevance, but I still found it incredibly 
distasteful having slot myself into particular pigeon-holes.

Chris Woolf



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From vernon.dyer at btinternet.com  Thu Aug 23 09:07:53 2018
From: vernon.dyer at btinternet.com (vernon.dyer)
Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2018 15:07:53 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Class
Message-ID: <qlf5sm2v8x2f0h4236sk1kjg.1535033273940@email.android.com>


I think what I would put down is MYOB.

Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.-------- Original message --------From: Ian H via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> Date: 23/08/2018  13:43  (GMT+00:00) To: Bernard Newnham <bernie833 at gmail.com> Cc: Tech-OpsMailing List <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Class 
Corbyn was asked if the Labour Party would do likewise...???
On Thu, Aug 23, 2018 at 10:41 AM Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

  

    
  
  
    Jeremy Corbyn apparently wants the staff of the
          BBC to declare ethnicity, religion, gender, class etc.?? I
          can't help thinking that if it were done he'd get a good number of Jedi Knights and "I'm think about being
              transgender", but what interested me was the class bit
            .

            

            I grew up by anyone's
                definition as working class, not far off a Monty
                  Python sketch,
                    but these days I am quite obviously middle class - big
                      house etc.? When did I change?? I rather think it
                      was the day - 25th April 1966 - when I
                      joined tech ops.? Or was it a long gradual
                      process? What are you these days - what would you
                      put down?

                      

                      B

                    
  

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From dave at davesound.co.uk  Thu Aug 23 09:47:36 2018
From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman)
Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2018 15:47:36 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Thunderbird
In-Reply-To: <139AABA4001F49FAB609238E07C47C61@Gigabyte>
References: <09f56f97-0f1a-18ef-a349-bd9b01c183f6@btinternet.com><572b199f8adave@davesound.co.uk><10a49df7-f8de-76d2-99b1-86f8df3d7299@gmail.com>
	<572c050535dave@davesound.co.uk>
	<139AABA4001F49FAB609238E07C47C61@Gigabyte>
Message-ID: <572c1ff16edave@davesound.co.uk>

In article <139AABA4001F49FAB609238E07C47C61 at Gigabyte>,
   Mike Jordan <mikej at bmanor.co.uk> wrote:
> If you are intent on copying and pasting a URL in your message, it can 
> appear in blue etc if in HTML.

A decent plain text reader can display it in any colour you want. Just by
noting the http:// etc as it isn't a word. Same as an email address with
the @ between two words with no spaces. Hardly rocket science.

> If you are worried about printer ink (or toner powder?) one can remove
> most of the information previously posted such as "from/to/subject" or
> text of what you are replying to.

You could likely also save it out as plain text and edit out all the
rubbish too. But not much use to those who don't understand such things.

> Also remove those little things like
> joky lines and the bottom of these e-mails all about the tech-ops
> website. Even years ago, people did put little hand drawn graphics in
> letters when sending to their loved (or hated) ones.

> Aren't I a nasty person saying this to Dave especially with his fun lines?

You're never nasty, Mike. ;-)

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    Dave Plowman     dave at davesound.co.uk     London SW 12
    


From jpbarlow at btopenworld.com  Thu Aug 23 11:23:02 2018
From: jpbarlow at btopenworld.com (jpbarlow at btopenworld.com)
Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2018 17:23:02 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Class
In-Reply-To: <qlf5sm2v8x2f0h4236sk1kjg.1535033273940@email.android.com>
References: <qlf5sm2v8x2f0h4236sk1kjg.1535033273940@email.android.com>
Message-ID: <00ea01d43afd$90a4e6d0$b1eeb470$@btopenworld.com>

?I know my place!?

 

JohnB

 

From: Tech1 <tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk> On Behalf Of vernon.dyer via Tech1
Sent: 23 August 2018 15:08
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Class

 

 

I think what I would put down is MYOB.

 

 

Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.

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From: Ian H via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> > 

Date: 23/08/2018 13:43 (GMT+00:00) 

To: Bernard Newnham <bernie833 at gmail.com <mailto:bernie833 at gmail.com> > 

Cc: Tech-OpsMailing List <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> > 

Subject: Re: [Tech1] Class 

 

Corbyn was asked if the Labour Party would do likewise... ?

 

 

On Thu, Aug 23, 2018 at 10:41 AM Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> > wrote:

Jeremy Corbyn apparently wants the staff of the BBC to declare ethnicity, religion, gender, class etc.   I can't help thinking that if it were done he'd get a good number of Jedi Knights and "I'm think about being transgender", but what interested me was the class bit .

I grew up by anyone's definition as working class, not far off a Monty Python sketch, but these days I am quite obviously middle class - big house etc.  When did I change?  I rather think it was the day - 25th April 1966 - when I joined tech ops.  Or was it a long gradual process? What are you these days - what would you put down?

B

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From graeme.wall at icloud.com  Thu Aug 23 12:38:23 2018
From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall)
Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2018 18:38:23 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Class
In-Reply-To: <qlf5sm2v8x2f0h4236sk1kjg.1535033273940@email.android.com>
References: <qlf5sm2v8x2f0h4236sk1kjg.1535033273940@email.android.com>
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I don?t think I would be that polite.
? 
Graeme Wall





> On 23 Aug 2018, at 15:07, vernon.dyer via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> 
> I think what I would put down is MYOB.
> 
> 
> Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Ian H via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> Date: 23/08/2018 13:43 (GMT+00:00)
> To: Bernard Newnham <bernie833 at gmail.com>
> Cc: Tech-OpsMailing List <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Class
> 
> Corbyn was asked if the Labour Party would do likewise... ?
>  
> 
> On Thu, Aug 23, 2018 at 10:41 AM Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> Jeremy Corbyn apparently wants the staff of the BBC to declare ethnicity, religion, gender, class etc.   I can't help thinking that if it were done he'd get a good number of Jedi Knights and "I'm think about being transgender", but what interested me was the class bit .
> 
> I grew up by anyone's definition as working class, not far off a Monty Python sketch, but these days I am quite obviously middle class - big house etc.  When did I change?  I rather think it was the day - 25th April 1966 - when I joined tech ops.  Or was it a long gradual process? What are you these days - what would you put down?
> 
> B
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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Thu Aug 23 12:46:59 2018
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2018 18:46:59 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Class
In-Reply-To: <fce4ecda-676c-0471-4e07-03a424187d01@gmail.com>
References: <fce4ecda-676c-0471-4e07-03a424187d01@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3facb80f-ac2a-e851-002a-19275a20ad26@btinternet.com>

If you have a red dot in the middle of your forehead people know what 
class you are, the rest of the time they judge you (wrongly!) by how you 
speak and by what education you had. Some 'Hooray Henrys' speak very 
posh, but you wouldn't invite them to dinner or get an intelligent 
conversation going! On the other hand, some people with strong accents 
are among the most intelligent and 'nice' people you could wish to meet. 
That's my take on class anyway! 'MYOB' is probably the right answer, as 
what you are and how you treat others is probably the most important 
thing, not what 'class' you are! Cheers, Dave


From bernie833 at gmail.com  Thu Aug 23 11:43:47 2018
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2018 17:43:47 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Class
In-Reply-To: <00ea01d43afd$90a4e6d0$b1eeb470$@btopenworld.com>
References: <qlf5sm2v8x2f0h4236sk1kjg.1535033273940@email.android.com>
	<00ea01d43afd$90a4e6d0$b1eeb470$@btopenworld.com>
Message-ID: <CAA7MLyFx3owd+jjV-CBEVJ7J1Gz07c1p-GexuC-KZi+t_zkq5A@mail.gmail.com>

I was going to say that eventually. I think heads of departments are
axiomatically middle class

On Thu, 23 Aug 2018, 17:23 jpbarlow--- via Tech1, <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
wrote:

> ?I know my place!?
>
>
>
> JohnB
>
>
>
> *From:* Tech1 <tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk> *On Behalf Of *vernon.dyer
> via Tech1
> *Sent:* 23 August 2018 15:08
> *To:* tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> *Subject:* Re: [Tech1] Class
>
>
>
>
>
> I think what I would put down is MYOB.
>
>
>
>
>
> Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.
>
> -------- Original message --------
>
> From: Ian H via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
>
> Date: 23/08/2018 13:43 (GMT+00:00)
>
> To: Bernard Newnham <bernie833 at gmail.com>
>
> Cc: Tech-OpsMailing List <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
>
> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Class
>
>
>
> Corbyn was asked if the Labour Party would do likewise... ?
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 23, 2018 at 10:41 AM Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <
> tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>
> Jeremy Corbyn apparently wants the staff of the BBC to declare ethnicity,
> religion, gender, class etc.   I can't help thinking that if it were done
> he'd get a good number of Jedi Knights and "I'm think about being
> transgender", but what interested me was the class bit .
>
> I grew up by anyone's definition as working class, not far off a Monty
> Python sketch, but these days I am quite obviously middle class - big house
> etc.  When did I change?  I rather think it was the day - 25th April 1966 -
> when I joined tech ops.  Or was it a long gradual process? What are you
> these days - what would you put down?
>
> B
>
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From mibridge at mac.com  Thu Aug 23 15:24:44 2018
From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles)
Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2018 21:24:44 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Class
In-Reply-To: <CAA7MLyFx3owd+jjV-CBEVJ7J1Gz07c1p-GexuC-KZi+t_zkq5A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <qlf5sm2v8x2f0h4236sk1kjg.1535033273940@email.android.com>
	<00ea01d43afd$90a4e6d0$b1eeb470$@btopenworld.com>
	<CAA7MLyFx3owd+jjV-CBEVJ7J1Gz07c1p-GexuC-KZi+t_zkq5A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2614ECB4-B05F-43AD-BDE5-A8DE7A7AE928@mac.com>

I would claim to be in a class of my own ~ and I give most people a sideways glance! Do you not find that you adjust your social ?elevation? to suit the people you are with? That sounds like the beginning of a circular process, but it seems to work out.

Mike G



> On 23 Aug 2018, at 17:43, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:
> 
> I was going to say that eventually. I think heads of departments are axiomatically middle class
> 
> On Thu, 23 Aug 2018, 17:23 jpbarlow--- via Tech1, <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:
> ?I know my place!?
> 
>  
> 
> JohnB
> 
>  
> 
> From: Tech1 <tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk>> On Behalf Of vernon.dyer via Tech1
> Sent: 23 August 2018 15:08
> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Class
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> I think what I would put down is MYOB.
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.
> 
> -------- Original message --------
> 
> From: Ian H via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>>
> 
> Date: 23/08/2018 13:43 (GMT+00:00)
> 
> To: Bernard Newnham <bernie833 at gmail.com <mailto:bernie833 at gmail.com>>
> 
> Cc: Tech-OpsMailing List <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>>
> 
> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Class
> 
>  
> 
> Corbyn was asked if the Labour Party would do likewise... ?
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> On Thu, Aug 23, 2018 at 10:41 AM Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:
> 
> Jeremy Corbyn apparently wants the staff of the BBC to declare ethnicity, religion, gender, class etc.   I can't help thinking that if it were done he'd get a good number of Jedi Knights and "I'm think about being transgender", but what interested me was the class bit .
> 
> I grew up by anyone's definition as working class, not far off a Monty Python sketch, but these days I am quite obviously middle class - big house etc.  When did I change?  I rather think it was the day - 25th April 1966 - when I joined tech ops.  Or was it a long gradual process? What are you these days - what would you put down?
> 
> B
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From rogerbunce at btinternet.com  Thu Aug 23 16:19:50 2018
From: rogerbunce at btinternet.com (ROGER BUNCE)
Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2018 21:19:50 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tech1] Class
In-Reply-To: <3facb80f-ac2a-e851-002a-19275a20ad26@btinternet.com>
References: <fce4ecda-676c-0471-4e07-03a424187d01@gmail.com>
	<3facb80f-ac2a-e851-002a-19275a20ad26@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <1053518066.2595294.1535059190635@mail.yahoo.com>

One early BBC survey asked for our "Ethnic Origins". Taking the word "Origins" seriously, I ticked "African", adding an explanatory paragraph to the effect that there was only one race - the human race - and that we all originated in Africa - mitochondrial Eve and all that. I doubt that anyone read the paragraph. But the results showed that our department was two-percent African. (I think there were about fifty people in the department at the time.)
When the John Birt's serious Staff Surveys began, they were supposed to be anonymous, but some of my more paranoid Engineering colleagues soon discovered some "Invisible" dots (i.e. dots which glowed under ultra-violet light). They were probably quite harmless but various people tore them off or obliterated them. Personally, I got a UV marker pen and wrote "Don't be nosey!" (invisibly) across them.
As for class, I would argue that a Cameraman is a "Manual Worker". So, come the revolution, we won't have to stand against the wall. Those who gave up camerawork, of course . . . Sorry Bernie and John. The tumbrils are coming!
But did Corbin really want to know our "Gender"? He'll have lost the vote of pedants everywhere. I had a rant at the British Library, when their computerised application system asked, "What is your Gender - Male or Female." AAAARGH! The British Library of all places. I patiently explained that Male and Female are NOT Genders. They are SEXES. Why are we afraid to use the word Sex these days? Masculine and Feminine are Genders. And they're a matter of opinion. My answer to the question, "What is your Gender?" would be "Primarily Masculine, but I like to think that I'm in touch with my Feminine side."
luv, Rog.
      From: dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
 To: Bernard Newnham <bernie833 at gmail.com>; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk 
 Sent: Thursday, 23 August 2018, 20:20
 Subject: Re: [Tech1] Class
   
If you have a red dot in the middle of your forehead people know what 
class you are, the rest of the time they judge you (wrongly!) by how you 
speak and by what education you had. Some 'Hooray Henrys' speak very 
posh, but you wouldn't invite them to dinner or get an intelligent 
conversation going! On the other hand, some people with strong accents 
are among the most intelligent and 'nice' people you could wish to meet. 
That's my take on class anyway! 'MYOB' is probably the right answer, as 
what you are and how you treat others is probably the most important 
thing, not what 'class' you are! Cheers, Dave

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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Thu Aug 23 18:11:29 2018
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2018 00:11:29 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Puzzle
Message-ID: <332c4b30-8a46-06ca-50ee-3e2717fce620@btinternet.com>

Roger's latest email has my last one attached to it and it states it was 
posted at 2020. In fact, I posted it at 1846 and it still hasn't arrived 
in my inbox! Answers on a postcard, please! Cheers, Dave (posted at 0010)


From rogerbunce at btinternet.com  Fri Aug 24 02:44:58 2018
From: rogerbunce at btinternet.com (ROGER BUNCE)
Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2018 07:44:58 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tech1] Puzzle
In-Reply-To: <332c4b30-8a46-06ca-50ee-3e2717fce620@btinternet.com>
References: <332c4b30-8a46-06ca-50ee-3e2717fce620@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <1900558015.2744359.1535096698654@mail.yahoo.com>

Possibly because they hadn't invented emails in 1846. And it won't be 2020 until the year after next.
Oh! I may have misread that.

      From: dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk 
 Sent: Friday, 24 August 2018, 0:36
 Subject: [Tech1] Puzzle
   
Roger's latest email has my last one attached to it and it states it was 
posted at 2020. In fact, I posted it at 1846 and it still hasn't arrived 
in my inbox! Answers on a postcard, please! Cheers, Dave (posted at 0010)

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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Fri Aug 24 02:54:16 2018
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2018 08:54:16 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Puzzle
In-Reply-To: <1900558015.2744359.1535096698654@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <332c4b30-8a46-06ca-50ee-3e2717fce620@btinternet.com>
	<1900558015.2744359.1535096698654@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <5b954bc5-a30a-84e1-af4d-88786bd7d8a2@btinternet.com>

Thanks Rog, ever helpful as usual! 1846 is when the little hand is 
pointing straight down and when the big hand is pointing leftish! usw. 
(that's German for 'and so on')! Cheers, Dave.


From tonynuttall at me.com  Fri Aug 24 03:27:59 2018
From: tonynuttall at me.com (William Nuttall)
Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2018 08:27:59 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Tech1] Class
Message-ID: <69a8fb3c-3813-45a9-bbbb-9d4688e09715@me.com>

I would say, ?ERK just like Jeremy ?Corbyn!
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From dave at davesound.co.uk  Fri Aug 24 05:18:59 2018
From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman)
Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2018 11:18:59 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Class
In-Reply-To: <fce4ecda-676c-0471-4e07-03a424187d01@gmail.com>
References: <fce4ecda-676c-0471-4e07-03a424187d01@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <572c8b2fa0dave@davesound.co.uk>

Interesting bit about it on Newsnight last night. The percentage of
journalists etc who were educated at public school. And of course Corbyn
was referring to those who form the views put forward in the meja - not so
much interested in the likes of you and me who just worked in the
industry.     


In article <fce4ecda-676c-0471-4e07-03a424187d01 at gmail.com>,
   Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> Jeremy Corbyn apparently wants the staff of the BBC to declare 
> ethnicity, religion, gender, class etc.   I can't help thinking that if 
> it were done he'd get a good number of Jedi Knights and "I'm think about 
> being transgender", but what interested me was the class bit .

> I grew up by anyone's definition as working class, not far off a Monty 
> Python sketch, but these days I am quite obviously middle class - big 
> house etc.  When did I change?  I rather think it was the day - 25th 
> April 1966 - when I joined tech ops.  Or was it a long gradual process? 
> What are you these days - what would you put down?

> B

-- 
*If I agreed with you, we'd both be wrong.

    Dave Plowman     dave at davesound.co.uk     London SW 12
    


From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com  Fri Aug 24 10:44:03 2018
From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray)
Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2018 16:44:03 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Fireball XL5
Message-ID: <e5d0f359-b38b-b6b6-5f19-f1a12e188f33@gmail.com>

Hi,

As many of you know, I very recently moved house.? The removal men said 
that their insurance did not cover certain items.


I opened my car, and into it I put:


1 5-inch gauge live steam locomotive

Old pillows and quilts around the engine to shield the loco from bumps

A wooden plinth to raise the boot floor (to allow the loco to stand level)

5 oilcans (steam oil, frame oil, car engine oil)

A box of cans of oil (primarily steam oil and frame oil) for the oil cans

5-litre can of paraffin (half full)

Tub with a couple of litres of paraffin and chopped up wood kindling 
(soaking in the paraffin)

A net bag full of wood kindling

1 x 47kg (?) Propane Gas Cylinder for BBQ

1 X? 5kg Patio Propane Gas Cylinder - Empty (so more dangerous)

1 Propane Gas Torch (blow lamp) and gas cylinder

1 Propane fired weed killer and gas cylinder

A couple of boxes of matches


oh, and by the way, I had to drive past the Atomic Weapons 
Establishment, Aldermaston ...



-- 

Best Regards

Alec

Alec Bray

alec.bray.2 at gmail.com
mob:    07789 561 346
home:   0118 981 7502



From bernie833 at gmail.com  Fri Aug 24 11:45:11 2018
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2018 17:45:11 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Fireball XL5
In-Reply-To: <e5d0f359-b38b-b6b6-5f19-f1a12e188f33@gmail.com>
References: <e5d0f359-b38b-b6b6-5f19-f1a12e188f33@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6525d42e-6c87-3d06-29c5-8377499400ca@ntlworld.com>

I'm looking forward to riding behind the loco

B



On 24/08/2018 16:44, Alec Bray via Tech1 wrote:
> Hi,
>
> As many of you know, I very recently moved house.? The removal men 
> said that their insurance did not cover certain items.
>
>
> I opened my car, and into it I put:
>
>
> 1 5-inch gauge live steam locomotive
>
> Old pillows and quilts around the engine to shield the loco from bumps
>
> A wooden plinth to raise the boot floor (to allow the loco to stand 
> level)
>
> 5 oilcans (steam oil, frame oil, car engine oil)
>
> A box of cans of oil (primarily steam oil and frame oil) for the oil cans
>
> 5-litre can of paraffin (half full)
>
> Tub with a couple of litres of paraffin and chopped up wood kindling 
> (soaking in the paraffin)
>
> A net bag full of wood kindling
>
> 1 x 47kg (?) Propane Gas Cylinder for BBQ
>
> 1 X? 5kg Patio Propane Gas Cylinder - Empty (so more dangerous)
>
> 1 Propane Gas Torch (blow lamp) and gas cylinder
>
> 1 Propane fired weed killer and gas cylinder
>
> A couple of boxes of matches
>
>
> oh, and by the way, I had to drive past the Atomic Weapons 
> Establishment, Aldermaston ...
>
>
>

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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Fri Aug 24 13:53:52 2018
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2018 19:53:52 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: Buchon con-trails
In-Reply-To: <47403333-fd8b-8dee-c297-3bde30d32b30@zero51.co.uk>
References: <47403333-fd8b-8dee-c297-3bde30d32b30@zero51.co.uk>
Message-ID: <d3dc878b-1be5-ed52-9171-8a4e8028fe33@gmail.com>




-------- Forwarded Message --------
Subject: 	Buchon con-trails
Date: 	Fri, 24 Aug 2018 10:56:26 +0100
From: 	Peter Fox <peter.fox at zero51.co.uk>
To: 	Bernard Newnham <bernie833 at gmail.com>



Look at this !

It's a pic I took on my Nikon Df with the 70 to 200 lens,? but 
additionally zoomed in a very very long way in Photoshop!

I have never seen prop-tip con-trails before, and? just for three or 
four aircraft lengths!

The venue is at just beyond the south end of Biggin Hill at last 
weekend's Air Festival

The plane is an ex Spanish, Messerschmidt Bf 109, license built in 1959 
with a Rolls Royce Merlin engine, Hispano HA112 MIL also known as the 
Buchon.

This one was amongst 27 aircraft that were bought by and used in the 
famous 1968 film " Battle of Britain"

Of course it sounds almost exactly like a Hurricane or Spitfire but 
(french friend) Marc-Antoine said he has heard a stand alone 
Messerschmidt engine being run up in a french museum somewhere and it 
was much more, suitably, gutteral and growly than a Rolls!

Peter


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From graeme.wall at icloud.com  Fri Aug 24 14:22:56 2018
From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall)
Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2018 20:22:56 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Fireball XL5
In-Reply-To: <6525d42e-6c87-3d06-29c5-8377499400ca@ntlworld.com>
References: <e5d0f359-b38b-b6b6-5f19-f1a12e188f33@gmail.com>
	<6525d42e-6c87-3d06-29c5-8377499400ca@ntlworld.com>
Message-ID: <B881EA5D-A5DA-45B1-B7A1-1F3005B975C0@icloud.com>

Would make a good disorganised?
? 
Graeme Wall





> On 24 Aug 2018, at 17:45, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> I'm looking forward to riding behind the loco
> 
> B
> 
> 
> 
> On 24/08/2018 16:44, Alec Bray via Tech1 wrote:
>> Hi, 
>> 
>> As many of you know, I very recently moved house.  The removal men said that their insurance did not cover certain items. 
>> 
>> 
>> I opened my car, and into it I put: 
>> 
>> 
>> 1 5-inch gauge live steam locomotive 
>> 
>> Old pillows and quilts around the engine to shield the loco from bumps 
>> 
>> A wooden plinth to raise the boot floor (to allow the loco to stand level) 
>> 
>> 5 oilcans (steam oil, frame oil, car engine oil) 
>> 
>> A box of cans of oil (primarily steam oil and frame oil) for the oil cans 
>> 
>> 5-litre can of paraffin (half full) 
>> 
>> Tub with a couple of litres of paraffin and chopped up wood kindling (soaking in the paraffin) 
>> 
>> A net bag full of wood kindling 
>> 
>> 1 x 47kg (?) Propane Gas Cylinder for BBQ 
>> 
>> 1 X  5kg Patio Propane Gas Cylinder - Empty (so more dangerous) 
>> 
>> 1 Propane Gas Torch (blow lamp) and gas cylinder 
>> 
>> 1 Propane fired weed killer and gas cylinder 
>> 
>> A couple of boxes of matches 
>> 
>> 
>> oh, and by the way, I had to drive past the Atomic Weapons Establishment, Aldermaston ... 
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
> -- 
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> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
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From graeme.wall at icloud.com  Fri Aug 24 14:30:58 2018
From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall)
Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2018 20:30:58 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: Buchon con-trails
In-Reply-To: <d3dc878b-1be5-ed52-9171-8a4e8028fe33@gmail.com>
References: <47403333-fd8b-8dee-c297-3bde30d32b30@zero51.co.uk>
	<d3dc878b-1be5-ed52-9171-8a4e8028fe33@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5A05B9E7-AEB9-49BF-A262-7840C097DBA1@icloud.com>

Got these a few years back coming out of Eastleigh, not so spectacular though.
? 
Graeme Wall





> On 24 Aug 2018, at 19:53, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -------- Forwarded Message --------
> Subject:	Buchon con-trails
> Date:	Fri, 24 Aug 2018 10:56:26 +0100
> From:	Peter Fox <peter.fox at zero51.co.uk>
> To:	Bernard Newnham <bernie833 at gmail.com>
> 
> Look at this ! 
> It's a pic I took on my Nikon Df with the 70 to 200 lens,  but additionally zoomed in a very very long way in Photoshop!
> 
> I have never seen prop-tip con-trails before, and  just for three or four aircraft lengths!
> 
> The venue is at just beyond the south end of Biggin Hill at last weekend's Air Festival
> The plane is an ex Spanish, Messerschmidt Bf 109, license built in 1959 with a Rolls Royce Merlin engine, Hispano HA112 MIL also known as the Buchon.
> This one was amongst 27 aircraft that were bought by and used in the famous 1968 film " Battle of Britain"
> 
> Of course it sounds almost exactly like a Hurricane or Spitfire but (french friend) Marc-Antoine said he has heard a stand alone         Messerschmidt engine being run up in a french museum somewhere and it was much more, suitably, gutteral and growly than a Rolls!
> 
> Peter
> 
> <_DFB2320zoom.jpg>-- 
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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Fri Aug 24 18:58:24 2018
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2018 00:58:24 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: J.Beam
In-Reply-To: <607D766172364977A52687D778D48869@BillPC>
References: <607D766172364977A52687D778D48869@BillPC>
Message-ID: <1d91511d-4cfa-2354-cc81-95a90bf76393@btinternet.com>

I know OBs Comms used lots of J-Beam aerials and I have sold dozens of 
them so I was interested to find an 11 page article on the internet from 
the founder of J-Beam about how it all came about. There was another 
article about the skeleton slot antenna by a friend of the founder so I 
e-mailed him and he passed it on to the said founder of J-Beam. This is 
his reply! Cheers, Dave


-------- Forwarded Message --------
Subject: 	J.Beam
Date: 	Tue, 21 Aug 2018 10:35:18 +0100
From: 	Bill Sykes <bs at g2hcg.com>
To: 	dave.mdv at btinternet.com



Hello Dave
Bob Freeth has passed your email onto me. Yes I am still alive and 
kicking at the age of 98. The motto is ?use it or lose it?
Jaybeam as it is now known, still exists and is run by Amphenol in the 
States as part of their quality division. The name change came before I 
sold the company and was the result of people constantly asking to speak 
to Mr.Beam. The original name came from the very first aerial that 
started it all. It was a 3 element beam aerial shaped like the letterJ
I am not familiar with the range of aerials now offered so I cannot 
answer any of your queries. I have often thought of the wonderful 
opportunities in the Aerial trade nowadays with everyone dependant on 
their mobile phone and transmissions from base stations. Design of those 
aerials must be very exciting. In contrast, I was only reading the other 
day about the aerial design in a modern phone ? it was a printed circuit!
That balun which we described as an Inverse balun because it was the 
inverse of a half wave of coax cable, has become universal in most tv 
aerials these days. Pity that patents have a limited life span!
Nice to hear from an old and valued customer.
Best wishes
Bill Sykes
bs at g2hcg.com <mailto:bs at g2hcg.com>


From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Fri Aug 24 19:23:35 2018
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2018 01:23:35 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Update on missing channels
Message-ID: <fa01e839-de7e-2afc-a246-39b46b57a45d@btinternet.com>

I purchased a new wideband aerial from ATV on Monday evening and it 
arrived Wednesday morning, from Hillsborough, Sheffield (which was 
coincidental as Hillsborough had been in the news all day!). I had 
ordered a refurbished BT YouView box from Amazon for ?77 (against the 
price from BT of ?149.99!) which arrived the same day. I spent a grubby 
afternoon in my loft on Wednesday to change aerials and then to change 
set-top boxes in the kitchen and I now have 27 extra channels, mostly 
HD. Result! Happiness is a full channel list! Cheers, Dave


From mibridge at mac.com  Sat Aug 25 01:40:13 2018
From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles)
Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2018 07:40:13 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Update on missing channels
In-Reply-To: <fa01e839-de7e-2afc-a246-39b46b57a45d@btinternet.com>
References: <fa01e839-de7e-2afc-a246-39b46b57a45d@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <ECC24609-5A2F-46B9-B845-B0C38F0FADC4@mac.com>

So if you watch each of your new found channels for an hour a day, you?ll have extended the day to 27 hours - I?ve always thought that there aren?t enough hours in the day. 

Mike G

> On 25 Aug 2018, at 01:23, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> I purchased a new wideband aerial from ATV on Monday evening and it arrived Wednesday morning, from Hillsborough, Sheffield (which was coincidental as Hillsborough had been in the news all day!). I had ordered a refurbished BT YouView box from Amazon for ?77 (against the price from BT of ?149.99!) which arrived the same day. I spent a grubby afternoon in my loft on Wednesday to change aerials and then to change set-top boxes in the kitchen and I now have 27 extra channels, mostly HD. Result! Happiness is a full channel list! Cheers, Dave
> 
> -- 
> Tech1 mailing list
> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk


From hughsheppard at btinternet.com  Sat Aug 25 02:13:30 2018
From: hughsheppard at btinternet.com (Hugh Sheppard)
Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2018 08:13:30 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: J.Beam
In-Reply-To: <1d91511d-4cfa-2354-cc81-95a90bf76393@btinternet.com>
References: <607D766172364977A52687D778D48869@BillPC>
	<1d91511d-4cfa-2354-cc81-95a90bf76393@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <b6d2b05b-9e77-e981-0849-b953072ed23e@btinternet.com>

For anyone tickled by the J-Beam discussion and the contribution by Bill 
Sykes, do take a look at 
https://www.amsat.org/amsat/archive/amsat-bb/200208/msg00761.html

Is the design still relevant for digital tv and are any still 
manufactured in the UK?

Hugh


On 25-Aug-18 12:58 AM, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote:
> I know OBs Comms used lots of J-Beam aerials and I have sold dozens of 
> them so I was interested to find an 11 page article on the internet 
> from the founder of J-Beam about how it all came about. There was 
> another article about the skeleton slot antenna by a friend of the 
> founder so I e-mailed him and he passed it on to the said founder of 
> J-Beam. This is his reply! Cheers, Dave
>
>
> -------- Forwarded Message --------
> Subject:???? J.Beam
> Date:???? Tue, 21 Aug 2018 10:35:18 +0100
> From:???? Bill Sykes <bs at g2hcg.com>
> To:???? dave.mdv at btinternet.com
>
>
>
> Hello Dave
> Bob Freeth has passed your email onto me. Yes I am still alive and 
> kicking at the age of 98. The motto is ?use it or lose it?
> Jaybeam as it is now known, still exists and is run by Amphenol in the 
> States as part of their quality division. The name change came before 
> I sold the company and was the result of people constantly asking to 
> speak to Mr.Beam. The original name came from the very first aerial 
> that started it all. It was a 3 element beam aerial shaped like the 
> letterJ
> I am not familiar with the range of aerials now offered so I cannot 
> answer any of your queries. I have often thought of the wonderful 
> opportunities in the Aerial trade nowadays with everyone dependant on 
> their mobile phone and transmissions from base stations. Design of 
> those aerials must be very exciting. In contrast, I was only reading 
> the other day about the aerial design in a modern phone ? it was a 
> printed circuit!
> That balun which we described as an Inverse balun because it was the 
> inverse of a half wave of coax cable, has become universal in most tv 
> aerials these days. Pity that patents have a limited life span!
> Nice to hear from an old and valued customer.
> Best wishes
> Bill Sykes
> bs at g2hcg.com <mailto:bs at g2hcg.com>
>



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From gary_critcher at yahoo.com  Sat Aug 25 02:14:14 2018
From: gary_critcher at yahoo.com (Gary Critcher)
Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2018 07:14:14 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tech1] Mykola Pawluk?
References: <395912268.3488881.1535181254989.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <395912268.3488881.1535181254989@mail.yahoo.com>

I'm sure a few of you must have run into him,? wasn't it he who put together 'White Powder Christmas' and 'Good King Memorex'?When I left? the Beeb I then ran into him when I worked at the Moving Picture Company.He was 'the' editor for Hat Trick Productions all through the 90's I think.Am just wondering if anyone knows what's happened to him as he seems to have faded away from on screen credits.
all the best,? Gary C
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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Sat Aug 25 03:17:35 2018
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2018 09:17:35 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Update on missing channels
In-Reply-To: <ECC24609-5A2F-46B9-B845-B0C38F0FADC4@mac.com>
References: <fa01e839-de7e-2afc-a246-39b46b57a45d@btinternet.com>
	<ECC24609-5A2F-46B9-B845-B0C38F0FADC4@mac.com>
Message-ID: <3f812427-add6-d078-68db-61a3da036816@btinternet.com>

How true, Mike. Fortunately, all that work was for the benefit of 'er 
indoors, I am far too busy keeping you lot going! Cheers, Dave


From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Sat Aug 25 04:19:58 2018
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2018 10:19:58 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Skeletons
Message-ID: <b5da14c4-ce0a-4e96-c660-f5481ea0a44b@btinternet.com>

This webpage has a picture of skeleton slot aerial for the 2m. amateur 
band - https://www.dxzone.com/dx32340/vhf-skeleton-slot-antenna.html .I 
don't think they would be any better than a folded dipole for our 
current UHF bands. BTW, if anyone mentions 'digital' aerials to you have 
my permission to inform them that an aerial is an aerial is an aerial 
and picks up radio (and TV!) waves, not digits! Cheers, Dave


From dave at davesound.co.uk  Sat Aug 25 04:56:06 2018
From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman)
Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2018 10:56:06 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Update on missing channels
In-Reply-To: <fa01e839-de7e-2afc-a246-39b46b57a45d@btinternet.com>
References: <fa01e839-de7e-2afc-a246-39b46b57a45d@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <572d0ced33dave@davesound.co.uk>

I have a BT Humax T1000 bought at a large discount from BT when getting
their part fibre service some years ago. The BT router etc unchanged since
then.
About a week or so ago, the Humax reports being unable to connect to the
net. It is cabled, unlike the TV which is on Wi-Fi. Since the TV is mainly
used for catch-up etc, that side of the Humax not really needed. But the
error message annoys. My laptop connects normally using the cable to the
Humax, so that bit is OK? 

The BT router page reports the Humax as connected and online.

When hitting connect on the Humax menu page it does try - then says no
cable connected. Although the LEDs on the socket show normal. The manual
connect page also shows the correct IP and gateway etc number. Do a full
power down reset so all this disappears and it comes up with the same
correct data after attempting to connect in auto mode, so is rather
obviously seeing the router.

Wonder if its done an auto software update, and there's a problem with
that?       


In article <fa01e839-de7e-2afc-a246-39b46b57a45d at btinternet.com>,
   dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> I purchased a new wideband aerial from ATV on Monday evening and it 
> arrived Wednesday morning, from Hillsborough, Sheffield (which was 
> coincidental as Hillsborough had been in the news all day!). I had 
> ordered a refurbished BT YouView box from Amazon for ?77 (against the 
> price from BT of ?149.99!) which arrived the same day. I spent a grubby 
> afternoon in my loft on Wednesday to change aerials and then to change 
> set-top boxes in the kitchen and I now have 27 extra channels, mostly 
> HD. Result! Happiness is a full channel list! Cheers, Dave

> --

-- 
*Learn from your parents' mistakes - use birth control

    Dave Plowman     dave at davesound.co.uk     London SW 12
    


From barrybonner119 at btinternet.com  Sat Aug 25 05:17:28 2018
From: barrybonner119 at btinternet.com (Barry Bonner)
Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2018 11:17:28 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Skeletons
In-Reply-To: <b5da14c4-ce0a-4e96-c660-f5481ea0a44b@btinternet.com>
References: <b5da14c4-ce0a-4e96-c660-f5481ea0a44b@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <38CDAE5F-E242-4A13-B7D0-8DDF87360BB6@btinternet.com>

Royal Standard of England at Forty Green used too have a Skeleton aerial!
Barry.






On 25 Aug 2018, at 10:19, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

> This webpage has a picture of skeleton slot aerial for the 2m. amateur band - https://www.dxzone.com/dx32340/vhf-skeleton-slot-antenna.html .I don't think they would be any better than a folded dipole for our current UHF bands. BTW, if anyone mentions 'digital' aerials to you have my permission to inform them that an aerial is an aerial is an aerial and picks up radio (and TV!) waves, not digits! Cheers, Dave
> 
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From mikej at bmanor.co.uk  Sat Aug 25 05:30:09 2018
From: mikej at bmanor.co.uk (Mike Jordan)
Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2018 11:30:09 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: J.Beam
In-Reply-To: <1d91511d-4cfa-2354-cc81-95a90bf76393@btinternet.com>
References: <607D766172364977A52687D778D48869@BillPC>
	<1d91511d-4cfa-2354-cc81-95a90bf76393@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <73902E6C54ED4D428876C3D0030C3BDD@Gigabyte>

Standard 2x12 849Mc/s yagi as used by OB Comms for many many years. Just 
like a slot!
Above is a 2GHz circular polarised yagi which took over when we almost lost 
Band V.
I had re-discovered (Research Dept had initially thought of circular 
polarisation back in teh late 40s since one can then "ignore" bounced 
received signals which suffer a polarisation reversal on a reflection) this 
in a  visit to RAI research Department in Turin and a 4 array stacked 
version made everything work. We bought a couple from RAI then Research made 
more for us and Gigawave made the circular Tx aerials. (photos available on 
request!
This is also what made early ENG on 2G possible in city locations.

Mike

-----Original Message----- 
From: dave.mdv
Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2018 12:58 AM
To: Mike Jordan ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: Fwd: J.Beam

I know OBs Comms used lots of J-Beam aerials and I have sold dozens of
them so I was interested to find an 11 page article on the internet from
the founder of J-Beam about how it all came about. There was another
article about the skeleton slot antenna by a friend of the founder so I
e-mailed him and he passed it on to the said founder of J-Beam. This is
his reply! Cheers, Dave
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From graeme.wall at icloud.com  Sat Aug 25 05:44:27 2018
From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall)
Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2018 11:44:27 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Skeletons
In-Reply-To: <38CDAE5F-E242-4A13-B7D0-8DDF87360BB6@btinternet.com>
References: <b5da14c4-ce0a-4e96-c660-f5481ea0a44b@btinternet.com>
	<38CDAE5F-E242-4A13-B7D0-8DDF87360BB6@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <13161F0C-4365-4E4F-9687-03675C3722C2@icloud.com>

Do they still serve Owd Roger, or is that him on the roof?

? 
Graeme Wall





> On 25 Aug 2018, at 11:17, Barry Bonner via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Royal Standard of England at Forty Green used too have a Skeleton aerial!
> Barry.
> 
> <Skeleton Aerial.jpg>
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 25 Aug 2018, at 10:19, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
>> This webpage has a picture of skeleton slot aerial for the 2m. amateur band - https://www.dxzone.com/dx32340/vhf-skeleton-slot-antenna.html .I don't think they would be any better than a folded dipole for our current UHF bands. BTW, if anyone mentions 'digital' aerials to you have my permission to inform them that an aerial is an aerial is an aerial and picks up radio (and TV!) waves, not digits! Cheers, Dave
>> 
>> -- 
>> Tech1 mailing list
>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk
> 
> -- 
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From barrybonner119 at btinternet.com  Sat Aug 25 05:56:35 2018
From: barrybonner119 at btinternet.com (Barry Bonner)
Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2018 11:56:35 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Skeletons
In-Reply-To: <13161F0C-4365-4E4F-9687-03675C3722C2@icloud.com>
References: <b5da14c4-ce0a-4e96-c660-f5481ea0a44b@btinternet.com>
	<38CDAE5F-E242-4A13-B7D0-8DDF87360BB6@btinternet.com>
	<13161F0C-4365-4E4F-9687-03675C3722C2@icloud.com>
Message-ID: <192C5F76-FCD1-4808-8D9C-EC11A20808A2@btinternet.com>

Graeme,
	Owd Roger?s now deceased methinks, but lots of other beers available. Skeleton?s now down to earth.
Barry.




On 25 Aug 2018, at 11:44, Graeme Wall <graeme.wall at icloud.com> wrote:

> Do they still serve Owd Roger, or is that him on the roof?
> 
> ? 
> Graeme Wall
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On 25 Aug 2018, at 11:17, Barry Bonner via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> Royal Standard of England at Forty Green used too have a Skeleton aerial!
>> Barry.
>> 
>> <Skeleton Aerial.jpg>
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 25 Aug 2018, at 10:19, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>>> This webpage has a picture of skeleton slot aerial for the 2m. amateur band - https://www.dxzone.com/dx32340/vhf-skeleton-slot-antenna.html .I don't think they would be any better than a folded dipole for our current UHF bands. BTW, if anyone mentions 'digital' aerials to you have my permission to inform them that an aerial is an aerial is an aerial and picks up radio (and TV!) waves, not digits! Cheers, Dave
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> Tech1 mailing list
>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk
>> 
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From graeme.wall at icloud.com  Sat Aug 25 06:09:32 2018
From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall)
Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2018 12:09:32 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Skeletons
In-Reply-To: <192C5F76-FCD1-4808-8D9C-EC11A20808A2@btinternet.com>
References: <b5da14c4-ce0a-4e96-c660-f5481ea0a44b@btinternet.com>
	<38CDAE5F-E242-4A13-B7D0-8DDF87360BB6@btinternet.com>
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I am going back nearly 50 years!  The Royal Standard was, allegedly, the only pub in the area to serve it on draught and they?d only serve halves.

? 
Graeme Wall





> On 25 Aug 2018, at 11:56, Barry Bonner <barrybonner119 at btinternet.com> wrote:
> 
> Graeme,
> 	Owd Roger?s now deceased methinks, but lots of other beers available. Skeleton?s now down to earth.
> Barry.
> 
> <RSOE Beers.jpg>
> 
> 
> On 25 Aug 2018, at 11:44, Graeme Wall <graeme.wall at icloud.com> wrote:
> 
>> Do they still serve Owd Roger, or is that him on the roof?
>> 
>> ? 
>> Graeme Wall
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 25 Aug 2018, at 11:17, Barry Bonner via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Royal Standard of England at Forty Green used too have a Skeleton aerial!
>>> Barry.
>>> 
>>> <Skeleton Aerial.jpg>
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 25 Aug 2018, at 10:19, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> This webpage has a picture of skeleton slot aerial for the 2m. amateur band - https://www.dxzone.com/dx32340/vhf-skeleton-slot-antenna.html .I don't think they would be any better than a folded dipole for our current UHF bands. BTW, if anyone mentions 'digital' aerials to you have my permission to inform them that an aerial is an aerial is an aerial and picks up radio (and TV!) waves, not digits! Cheers, Dave
>>>> 
>>>> -- 
>>>> Tech1 mailing list
>>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk
>>> 
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>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
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> 



From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Sat Aug 25 06:19:21 2018
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2018 12:19:21 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Skeletons
In-Reply-To: <38CDAE5F-E242-4A13-B7D0-8DDF87360BB6@btinternet.com>
References: <b5da14c4-ce0a-4e96-c660-f5481ea0a44b@btinternet.com>
	<38CDAE5F-E242-4A13-B7D0-8DDF87360BB6@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <1ec05bef-5822-85e8-1f3b-77a28ff79dbe@btinternet.com>

Gruesome! Cheers, Dave


From barrybonner119 at btinternet.com  Sat Aug 25 06:23:16 2018
From: barrybonner119 at btinternet.com (Barry Bonner)
Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2018 12:23:16 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Skeletons
In-Reply-To: <7DFA2854-B15D-4F34-BFD1-D2A44CD26A79@icloud.com>
References: <b5da14c4-ce0a-4e96-c660-f5481ea0a44b@btinternet.com>
	<38CDAE5F-E242-4A13-B7D0-8DDF87360BB6@btinternet.com>
	<13161F0C-4365-4E4F-9687-03675C3722C2@icloud.com>
	<192C5F76-FCD1-4808-8D9C-EC11A20808A2@btinternet.com>
	<7DFA2854-B15D-4F34-BFD1-D2A44CD26A79@icloud.com>
Message-ID: <B32697AD-36F2-411A-99DE-EE01FA21CB56@btinternet.com>

Brewed by Marstons you can still buy it in bottles but apparently it?s occasionally available on draught. I first met it in the RSOE about 50 years ago as well! I do remember that you were only allowed to buy it in halves.
Barry.



On 25 Aug 2018, at 12:09, Graeme Wall <graeme.wall at icloud.com> wrote:

> I am going back nearly 50 years!  The Royal Standard was, allegedly, the only pub in the area to serve it on draught and they?d only serve halves.
> 
> ? 
> Graeme Wall
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On 25 Aug 2018, at 11:56, Barry Bonner <barrybonner119 at btinternet.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Graeme,
>> 	Owd Roger?s now deceased methinks, but lots of other beers available. Skeleton?s now down to earth.
>> Barry.
>> 
>> <RSOE Beers.jpg>
>> 
>> 
>> On 25 Aug 2018, at 11:44, Graeme Wall <graeme.wall at icloud.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Do they still serve Owd Roger, or is that him on the roof?
>>> 
>>> ? 
>>> Graeme Wall
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On 25 Aug 2018, at 11:17, Barry Bonner via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Royal Standard of England at Forty Green used too have a Skeleton aerial!
>>>> Barry.
>>>> 
>>>> <Skeleton Aerial.jpg>
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On 25 Aug 2018, at 10:19, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> This webpage has a picture of skeleton slot aerial for the 2m. amateur band - https://www.dxzone.com/dx32340/vhf-skeleton-slot-antenna.html .I don't think they would be any better than a folded dipole for our current UHF bands. BTW, if anyone mentions 'digital' aerials to you have my permission to inform them that an aerial is an aerial is an aerial and picks up radio (and TV!) waves, not digits! Cheers, Dave
>>>>> 
>>>>> -- 
>>>>> Tech1 mailing list
>>>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>>>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk
>>>> 
>>>> -- 
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>>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk
>> 
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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Sat Aug 25 06:25:01 2018
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2018 12:25:01 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Update on missing channels
In-Reply-To: <ECC24609-5A2F-46B9-B845-B0C38F0FADC4@mac.com>
References: <fa01e839-de7e-2afc-a246-39b46b57a45d@btinternet.com>
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I replied to your missive at 0919 this morning and it has never appeared 
in my inbox, but subsequent sent emails have, strange! This is what I 
sent - "How true, Mike. Fortunately, all that work was for the benefit 
of 'er indoors, I am far too busy keeping you lot going!" Cheers, Dave


From graeme.wall at icloud.com  Sat Aug 25 06:49:56 2018
From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall)
Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2018 12:49:56 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Skeletons
In-Reply-To: <B32697AD-36F2-411A-99DE-EE01FA21CB56@btinternet.com>
References: <b5da14c4-ce0a-4e96-c660-f5481ea0a44b@btinternet.com>
	<38CDAE5F-E242-4A13-B7D0-8DDF87360BB6@btinternet.com>
	<13161F0C-4365-4E4F-9687-03675C3722C2@icloud.com>
	<192C5F76-FCD1-4808-8D9C-EC11A20808A2@btinternet.com>
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Message-ID: <4BC71A4F-67D6-4A8D-926D-E7086B6C58D8@icloud.com>

According to the Marston?s website, it is currently available at the Royal Standard!
? 
Graeme Wall





> On 25 Aug 2018, at 12:23, Barry Bonner <barrybonner119 at btinternet.com> wrote:
> 
> Brewed by Marstons you can still buy it in bottles but apparently it?s occasionally available on draught. I first met it in the RSOE about 50 years ago as well! I do remember that you were only allowed to buy it in halves.
> Barry.
> 
> 
> 
> On 25 Aug 2018, at 12:09, Graeme Wall <graeme.wall at icloud.com> wrote:
> 
>> I am going back nearly 50 years!  The Royal Standard was, allegedly, the only pub in the area to serve it on draught and they?d only serve halves.
>> 
>> ? 
>> Graeme Wall
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 25 Aug 2018, at 11:56, Barry Bonner <barrybonner119 at btinternet.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Graeme,
>>> 	Owd Roger?s now deceased methinks, but lots of other beers available. Skeleton?s now down to earth.
>>> Barry.
>>> 
>>> <RSOE Beers.jpg>
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 25 Aug 2018, at 11:44, Graeme Wall <graeme.wall at icloud.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Do they still serve Owd Roger, or is that him on the roof?
>>>> 
>>>> ? 
>>>> Graeme Wall
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On 25 Aug 2018, at 11:17, Barry Bonner via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Royal Standard of England at Forty Green used too have a Skeleton aerial!
>>>>> Barry.
>>>>> 
>>>>> <Skeleton Aerial.jpg>
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 25 Aug 2018, at 10:19, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> This webpage has a picture of skeleton slot aerial for the 2m. amateur band - https://www.dxzone.com/dx32340/vhf-skeleton-slot-antenna.html .I don't think they would be any better than a folded dipole for our current UHF bands. BTW, if anyone mentions 'digital' aerials to you have my permission to inform them that an aerial is an aerial is an aerial and picks up radio (and TV!) waves, not digits! Cheers, Dave
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>> Tech1 mailing list
>>>>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>>>>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk
>>>>> 
>>>>> -- 
>>>>> Tech1 mailing list
>>>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>>>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk
>>> 
>> 
> 



From nickrodger at mac.com  Sat Aug 25 07:38:58 2018
From: nickrodger at mac.com (Nick Rodger)
Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2018 13:38:58 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Skeletons
In-Reply-To: <7DFA2854-B15D-4F34-BFD1-D2A44CD26A79@icloud.com>
References: <b5da14c4-ce0a-4e96-c660-f5481ea0a44b@btinternet.com>
	<38CDAE5F-E242-4A13-B7D0-8DDF87360BB6@btinternet.com>
	<13161F0C-4365-4E4F-9687-03675C3722C2@icloud.com>
	<192C5F76-FCD1-4808-8D9C-EC11A20808A2@btinternet.com>
	<7DFA2854-B15D-4F34-BFD1-D2A44CD26A79@icloud.com>
Message-ID: <723C4289-0512-41B1-8E9E-1E8F90A9BBF6@mac.com>

It?s actually Owd Rodger!! 
Trust me. 

Nick Rodger 
Cameraman 
07971 007578 
nickrodger at mac.com  

Sent from my iPhone. 

On 25 Aug 2018, at 12:09, Graeme Wall via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

I am going back nearly 50 years!  The Royal Standard was, allegedly, the only pub in the area to serve it on draught and they?d only serve halves.

? 
Graeme Wall





> On 25 Aug 2018, at 11:56, Barry Bonner <barrybonner119 at btinternet.com> wrote:
> 
> Graeme,
>    Owd Roger?s now deceased methinks, but lots of other beers available. Skeleton?s now down to earth.
> Barry.
> 
> <RSOE Beers.jpg>
> 
> 
>> On 25 Aug 2018, at 11:44, Graeme Wall <graeme.wall at icloud.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Do they still serve Owd Roger, or is that him on the roof?
>> 
>> ? 
>> Graeme Wall
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 25 Aug 2018, at 11:17, Barry Bonner via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Royal Standard of England at Forty Green used too have a Skeleton aerial!
>>> Barry.
>>> 
>>> <Skeleton Aerial.jpg>
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On 25 Aug 2018, at 10:19, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> This webpage has a picture of skeleton slot aerial for the 2m. amateur band - https://www.dxzone.com/dx32340/vhf-skeleton-slot-antenna.html .I don't think they would be any better than a folded dipole for our current UHF bands. BTW, if anyone mentions 'digital' aerials to you have my permission to inform them that an aerial is an aerial is an aerial and picks up radio (and TV!) waves, not digits! Cheers, Dave
>>>> 
>>>> -- 
>>>> Tech1 mailing list
>>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> Tech1 mailing list
>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk
> 


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From graeme.wall at icloud.com  Sat Aug 25 09:06:42 2018
From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall)
Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2018 15:06:42 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Skeletons
In-Reply-To: <723C4289-0512-41B1-8E9E-1E8F90A9BBF6@mac.com>
References: <b5da14c4-ce0a-4e96-c660-f5481ea0a44b@btinternet.com>
	<38CDAE5F-E242-4A13-B7D0-8DDF87360BB6@btinternet.com>
	<13161F0C-4365-4E4F-9687-03675C3722C2@icloud.com>
	<192C5F76-FCD1-4808-8D9C-EC11A20808A2@btinternet.com>
	<7DFA2854-B15D-4F34-BFD1-D2A44CD26A79@icloud.com>
	<723C4289-0512-41B1-8E9E-1E8F90A9BBF6@mac.com>
Message-ID: <06BCF129-5AEB-4039-9647-83FB3856BB12@icloud.com>

That?s a pint I owe you!
? 
Graeme Wall





> On 25 Aug 2018, at 13:38, Nick Rodger <nickrodger at mac.com> wrote:
> 
> It?s actually Owd Rodger!! 
> Trust me. 
> 
> Nick Rodger 
> Cameraman 
> 07971 007578 
> nickrodger at mac.com  
> 
> Sent from my iPhone. 
> 
> On 25 Aug 2018, at 12:09, Graeme Wall via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> I am going back nearly 50 years!  The Royal Standard was, allegedly, the only pub in the area to serve it on draught and they?d only serve halves.
> 
> ? 
> Graeme Wall
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On 25 Aug 2018, at 11:56, Barry Bonner <barrybonner119 at btinternet.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Graeme,
>>   Owd Roger?s now deceased methinks, but lots of other beers available. Skeleton?s now down to earth.
>> Barry.
>> 
>> <RSOE Beers.jpg>
>> 
>> 
>>> On 25 Aug 2018, at 11:44, Graeme Wall <graeme.wall at icloud.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Do they still serve Owd Roger, or is that him on the roof?
>>> 
>>> ? 
>>> Graeme Wall
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On 25 Aug 2018, at 11:17, Barry Bonner via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Royal Standard of England at Forty Green used too have a Skeleton aerial!
>>>> Barry.
>>>> 
>>>> <Skeleton Aerial.jpg>
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On 25 Aug 2018, at 10:19, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> This webpage has a picture of skeleton slot aerial for the 2m. amateur band - https://www.dxzone.com/dx32340/vhf-skeleton-slot-antenna.html .I don't think they would be any better than a folded dipole for our current UHF bands. BTW, if anyone mentions 'digital' aerials to you have my permission to inform them that an aerial is an aerial is an aerial and picks up radio (and TV!) waves, not digits! Cheers, Dave
>>>>> 
>>>>> -- 
>>>>> Tech1 mailing list
>>>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>>>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk
>>>> 
>>>> -- 
>>>> Tech1 mailing list
>>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk
>> 
> 
> 
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From rogerbunce at btinternet.com  Sat Aug 25 10:05:23 2018
From: rogerbunce at btinternet.com (ROGER BUNCE)
Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2018 15:05:23 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tech1] Skeletons
In-Reply-To: <7DFA2854-B15D-4F34-BFD1-D2A44CD26A79@icloud.com>
References: <b5da14c4-ce0a-4e96-c660-f5481ea0a44b@btinternet.com>
	<38CDAE5F-E242-4A13-B7D0-8DDF87360BB6@btinternet.com>
	<13161F0C-4365-4E4F-9687-03675C3722C2@icloud.com>
	<192C5F76-FCD1-4808-8D9C-EC11A20808A2@btinternet.com>
	<7DFA2854-B15D-4F34-BFD1-D2A44CD26A79@icloud.com>
Message-ID: <1168213803.3703843.1535209523547@mail.yahoo.com>

I deny any connection between?Owd Roger and skeletons!




      From: Graeme Wall via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
 To: Barry Bonner <barrybonner119 at btinternet.com> 
Cc: "tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk" <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
 Sent: Saturday, 25 August 2018, 12:10
 Subject: Re: [Tech1] Skeletons
   
I am going back nearly 50 years!? The Royal Standard was, allegedly, the only pub in the area to serve it on draught and they?d only serve halves.

? 
Graeme Wall





> On 25 Aug 2018, at 11:56, Barry Bonner <barrybonner119 at btinternet.com> wrote:
> 
> Graeme,
> ??? Owd Roger?s now deceased methinks, but lots of other beers available. Skeleton?s now down to earth.
> Barry.
> 
> <RSOE Beers.jpg>
> 
> 
> On 25 Aug 2018, at 11:44, Graeme Wall <graeme.wall at icloud.com> wrote:
> 
>> Do they still serve Owd Roger, or is that him on the roof?
>> 
>> ? 
>> Graeme Wall
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 25 Aug 2018, at 11:17, Barry Bonner via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Royal Standard of England at Forty Green used too have a Skeleton aerial!
>>> Barry.
>>> 
>>> <Skeleton Aerial.jpg>
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 25 Aug 2018, at 10:19, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> This webpage has a picture of skeleton slot aerial for the 2m. amateur band - https://www.dxzone.com/dx32340/vhf-skeleton-slot-antenna.html .I don't think they would be any better than a folded dipole for our current UHF bands. BTW, if anyone mentions 'digital' aerials to you have my permission to inform them that an aerial is an aerial is an aerial and picks up radio (and TV!) waves, not digits! Cheers, Dave
>>>> 
>>>> -- 
>>>> Tech1 mailing list
>>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> Tech1 mailing list
>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk
> 


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From barrybonner119 at btinternet.com  Sat Aug 25 11:11:16 2018
From: barrybonner119 at btinternet.com (Barry Bonner)
Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2018 17:11:16 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Skeletons
In-Reply-To: <06BCF129-5AEB-4039-9647-83FB3856BB12@icloud.com>
References: <b5da14c4-ce0a-4e96-c660-f5481ea0a44b@btinternet.com>
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I just remembered that the RSOE Skeleton did join one of our weekly walks! Some members of which you may recognise. (Nov. 2011)
Barry.

				


On 25 Aug 2018, at 15:06, Graeme Wall <graeme.wall at icloud.com> wrote:

> That?s a pint I owe you!
> ? 
> Graeme Wall
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On 25 Aug 2018, at 13:38, Nick Rodger <nickrodger at mac.com> wrote:
>> 
>> It?s actually Owd Rodger!! 
>> Trust me. 
>> 
>> Nick Rodger 
>> Cameraman 
>> 07971 007578 
>> nickrodger at mac.com  
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone. 
>> 
>> On 25 Aug 2018, at 12:09, Graeme Wall via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> I am going back nearly 50 years!  The Royal Standard was, allegedly, the only pub in the area to serve it on draught and they?d only serve halves.
>> 
>> ? 
>> Graeme Wall
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 25 Aug 2018, at 11:56, Barry Bonner <barrybonner119 at btinternet.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Graeme,
>>>  Owd Roger?s now deceased methinks, but lots of other beers available. Skeleton?s now down to earth.
>>> Barry.
>>> 
>>> <RSOE Beers.jpg>
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On 25 Aug 2018, at 11:44, Graeme Wall <graeme.wall at icloud.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Do they still serve Owd Roger, or is that him on the roof?
>>>> 
>>>> ? 
>>>> Graeme Wall
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On 25 Aug 2018, at 11:17, Barry Bonner via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Royal Standard of England at Forty Green used too have a Skeleton aerial!
>>>>> Barry.
>>>>> 
>>>>> <Skeleton Aerial.jpg>
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 25 Aug 2018, at 10:19, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> This webpage has a picture of skeleton slot aerial for the 2m. amateur band - https://www.dxzone.com/dx32340/vhf-skeleton-slot-antenna.html .I don't think they would be any better than a folded dipole for our current UHF bands. BTW, if anyone mentions 'digital' aerials to you have my permission to inform them that an aerial is an aerial is an aerial and picks up radio (and TV!) waves, not digits! Cheers, Dave
>>>>>> 
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From geoffletch at gmail.com  Sat Aug 25 17:04:28 2018
From: geoffletch at gmail.com (Geoff Fletcher)
Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2018 23:04:28 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: Buchon con-trails
In-Reply-To: <5A05B9E7-AEB9-49BF-A262-7840C097DBA1@icloud.com>
References: <47403333-fd8b-8dee-c297-3bde30d32b30@zero51.co.uk>
	<d3dc878b-1be5-ed52-9171-8a4e8028fe33@gmail.com>
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Cracking photo Bernie. There are two Me109Gs currentlyvflying with the
original DB engine.
Geoff F

On Fri, 24 Aug 2018 at 20:31, Graeme Wall via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
wrote:

> Got these a few years back coming out of Eastleigh, not so spectacular
> though.
> ?
> Graeme Wall
>
>
>
>
>
> On 24 Aug 2018, at 19:53, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
> -------- Forwarded Message --------
> Subject: Buchon con-trails
> Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2018 10:56:26 +0100
> From: Peter Fox <peter.fox at zero51.co.uk>
> To: Bernard Newnham <bernie833 at gmail.com>
>
> Look at this !
> It's a pic I took on my Nikon Df with the 70 to 200 lens,
>  but additionally zoomed in a very very long way in Photoshop!
>
> I have never seen prop-tip con-trails before, and  just for three or four
> aircraft lengths!
>
> The venue is at just beyond the south end of Biggin Hill at last weekend's
> Air Festival
> The plane is an ex Spanish, Messerschmidt Bf 109, license built in 1959
> with a Rolls Royce Merlin engine, Hispano HA112 MIL also known as the
> Buchon.
> This one was amongst 27 aircraft that were bought by and used in the
> famous 1968 film " Battle of Britain"
>
> Of course it sounds almost exactly like a Hurricane or Spitfire but
> (french friend) Marc-Antoine said he has heard a stand alone
>   Messerschmidt engine being run up in a french museum somewhere and it was
> much more, suitably, gutteral and growly than a Rolls!
>
> Peter
>
> <_DFB2320zoom.jpg>--
>
>
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From jccglass at gmail.com  Sat Aug 25 17:06:57 2018
From: jccglass at gmail.com (Chris on gmail)
Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2018 23:06:57 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Skeletons
References: <320050a8-1618-0e27-3b66-031e075c3c04@gmail.com>
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  The Mix is almost Ready - attached

Chris
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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Sun Aug 26 03:14:30 2018
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2018 09:14:30 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: Buchon con-trails
In-Reply-To: <CAB99AB-vu1Zp5Rx=X+CqXqN5g3BfQw+i-8XOZbKk72kuu3j-Sg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <47403333-fd8b-8dee-c297-3bde30d32b30@zero51.co.uk>
	<d3dc878b-1be5-ed52-9171-8a4e8028fe33@gmail.com>
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Not my photo, Peter Fox's photo

B



On 25/08/2018 23:04, Geoff Fletcher wrote:
> Cracking photo Bernie. There are two Me109Gs currentlyvflying with the 
> original DB engine.
> Geoff F
>
> On Fri, 24 Aug 2018 at 20:31, Graeme Wall via Tech1 
> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:
>
>     Got these a few years back coming out of Eastleigh, not so
>     spectacular though.
>     ?
>     Graeme Wall
>
>
>
>
>
>>     On 24 Aug 2018, at 19:53, Bernard Newnham via Tech1
>>     <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>     -------- Forwarded Message --------
>>     Subject:Buchon con-trails
>>     Date:Fri, 24 Aug 2018 10:56:26 +0100
>>     From:Peter Fox?<peter.fox at zero51.co.uk
>>     <mailto:peter.fox at zero51.co.uk>>
>>     To:Bernard Newnham?<bernie833 at gmail.com <mailto:bernie833 at gmail.com>>
>>
>>     Look at this !
>>     It's a pic I took on my Nikon Df with the 70 to 200 lens,
>>     ?but?additionally zoomed in a very very long way in Photoshop!
>>
>>     I have never seen prop-tip con-trails before, and ?just for?three
>>     or four aircraft lengths!
>>
>>     The venue is at just beyond the south end of Biggin Hill at?last
>>     weekend's Air Festival
>>     The plane is an ex Spanish, Messerschmidt Bf 109, license
>>     built?in 1959 with a Rolls Royce Merlin engine, Hispano HA112?MIL
>>     also?known as the Buchon.
>>     This one was amongst 27 aircraft that were bought by and used?in
>>     the famous 1968 film " Battle of Britain"
>>
>>     Of course it sounds almost exactly like a Hurricane or
>>     Spitfire?but (french friend) Marc-Antoine said he has heard a
>>     stand alone?? ? ? ??Messerschmidt engine being run up in a french
>>     museum somewhere?and it was much more, suitably, gutteral and
>>     growly than?a?Rolls!
>>
>>     Peter
>>
>>     <_DFB2320zoom.jpg>-- 
>>
>>     Tech1 mailing list
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From jpn at imixmics.co.uk  Sun Aug 26 05:50:52 2018
From: jpn at imixmics.co.uk (John Nottage)
Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2018 11:50:52 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: J.Beam
In-Reply-To: <1d91511d-4cfa-2354-cc81-95a90bf76393@btinternet.com>
References: <607D766172364977A52687D778D48869@BillPC>
	<1d91511d-4cfa-2354-cc81-95a90bf76393@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <82845947.738435.1535280652929@email.1and1.co.uk>

I always though J. Beam was American whiskey...

John

> On 25 August 2018 at 00:58 "dave.mdv via Tech1" <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> 
> I know OBs Comms used lots of J-Beam aerials and I have sold dozens of 
> them so I was interested to find an 11 page article on the internet from 
> the founder of J-Beam about how it all came about. There was another 
> article about the skeleton slot antenna by a friend of the founder so I 
> e-mailed him and he passed it on to the said founder of J-Beam. This is 
> his reply! Cheers, Dave
> 
> 
> -------- Forwarded Message --------
> Subject: 	J.Beam
> Date: 	Tue, 21 Aug 2018 10:35:18 +0100
> From: 	Bill Sykes <bs at g2hcg.com>
> To: 	dave.mdv at btinternet.com
> 
> 
> 
> Hello Dave
> Bob Freeth has passed your email onto me. Yes I am still alive and 
> kicking at the age of 98. The motto is ?use it or lose it?
> Jaybeam as it is now known, still exists and is run by Amphenol in the 
> States as part of their quality division. The name change came before I 
> sold the company and was the result of people constantly asking to speak 
> to Mr.Beam. The original name came from the very first aerial that 
> started it all. It was a 3 element beam aerial shaped like the letterJ
> I am not familiar with the range of aerials now offered so I cannot 
> answer any of your queries. I have often thought of the wonderful 
> opportunities in the Aerial trade nowadays with everyone dependant on 
> their mobile phone and transmissions from base stations. Design of those 
> aerials must be very exciting. In contrast, I was only reading the other 
> day about the aerial design in a modern phone ? it was a printed circuit!
> That balun which we described as an Inverse balun because it was the 
> inverse of a half wave of coax cable, has become universal in most tv 
> aerials these days. Pity that patents have a limited life span!
> Nice to hear from an old and valued customer.
> Best wishes
> Bill Sykes
> bs at g2hcg.com <mailto:bs at g2hcg.com>
> 
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From jpn at imixmics.co.uk  Sun Aug 26 05:54:46 2018
From: jpn at imixmics.co.uk (John Nottage)
Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2018 11:54:46 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [Tech1] Wood Norton Course
Message-ID: <927208696.738454.1535280886676@email.1and1.co.uk>

Memory has failed me (again). Found in an old diary that I spent 2 weeks at Wood Norton 19th to 30th Sept 1983. I've no idea what for. Can anyone help, please?

John


From graeme.wall at icloud.com  Sun Aug 26 06:57:10 2018
From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall)
Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2018 12:57:10 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: J.Beam
In-Reply-To: <82845947.738435.1535280652929@email.1and1.co.uk>
References: <607D766172364977A52687D778D48869@BillPC>
	<1d91511d-4cfa-2354-cc81-95a90bf76393@btinternet.com>
	<82845947.738435.1535280652929@email.1and1.co.uk>
Message-ID: <BAAC7974-43E4-4FA7-AC8E-898701BD7772@icloud.com>

Whiskey Jim, but not as we know it.
? 
Graeme Wall





> On 26 Aug 2018, at 11:50, John Nottage via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> I always though J. Beam was American whiskey...
> 
> John
> 
>> On 25 August 2018 at 00:58 "dave.mdv via Tech1" <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> I know OBs Comms used lots of J-Beam aerials and I have sold dozens of 
>> them so I was interested to find an 11 page article on the internet from 
>> the founder of J-Beam about how it all came about. There was another 
>> article about the skeleton slot antenna by a friend of the founder so I 
>> e-mailed him and he passed it on to the said founder of J-Beam. This is 
>> his reply! Cheers, Dave
>> 
>> 
>> -------- Forwarded Message --------
>> Subject: 	J.Beam
>> Date: 	Tue, 21 Aug 2018 10:35:18 +0100
>> From: 	Bill Sykes <bs at g2hcg.com>
>> To: 	dave.mdv at btinternet.com
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Hello Dave
>> Bob Freeth has passed your email onto me. Yes I am still alive and 
>> kicking at the age of 98. The motto is ?use it or lose it?
>> Jaybeam as it is now known, still exists and is run by Amphenol in the 
>> States as part of their quality division. The name change came before I 
>> sold the company and was the result of people constantly asking to speak 
>> to Mr.Beam. The original name came from the very first aerial that 
>> started it all. It was a 3 element beam aerial shaped like the letterJ
>> I am not familiar with the range of aerials now offered so I cannot 
>> answer any of your queries. I have often thought of the wonderful 
>> opportunities in the Aerial trade nowadays with everyone dependant on 
>> their mobile phone and transmissions from base stations. Design of those 
>> aerials must be very exciting. In contrast, I was only reading the other 
>> day about the aerial design in a modern phone ? it was a printed circuit!
>> That balun which we described as an Inverse balun because it was the 
>> inverse of a half wave of coax cable, has become universal in most tv 
>> aerials these days. Pity that patents have a limited life span!
>> Nice to hear from an old and valued customer.
>> Best wishes
>> Bill Sykes
>> bs at g2hcg.com <mailto:bs at g2hcg.com>
>> 
>> -- 
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>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk
> 
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From geoffletch at gmail.com  Sun Aug 26 07:45:31 2018
From: geoffletch at gmail.com (Geoff Fletcher)
Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2018 13:45:31 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: Buchon con-trails
In-Reply-To: <5708a7be-4930-d791-5b50-2264e2ece6f8@ntlworld.com>
References: <47403333-fd8b-8dee-c297-3bde30d32b30@zero51.co.uk>
	<d3dc878b-1be5-ed52-9171-8a4e8028fe33@gmail.com>
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	<CAB99AB-vu1Zp5Rx=X+CqXqN5g3BfQw+i-8XOZbKk72kuu3j-Sg@mail.gmail.com>
	<5708a7be-4930-d791-5b50-2264e2ece6f8@ntlworld.com>
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OK. Fine. In that case - great photo Peter Fox.
Geoff F

On Sun, 26 Aug 2018 at 09:14, Bernard Newnham <bernie833 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Not my photo, Peter Fox's photo
>
>
> B
>
>
>
> On 25/08/2018 23:04, Geoff Fletcher wrote:
>
> Cracking photo Bernie. There are two Me109Gs currentlyvflying with the
> original DB engine.
> Geoff F
>
> On Fri, 24 Aug 2018 at 20:31, Graeme Wall via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
>> Got these a few years back coming out of Eastleigh, not so spectacular
>> though.
>> ?
>> Graeme Wall
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 24 Aug 2018, at 19:53, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -------- Forwarded Message --------
>> Subject: Buchon con-trails
>> Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2018 10:56:26 +0100
>> From: Peter Fox <peter.fox at zero51.co.uk>
>> To: Bernard Newnham <bernie833 at gmail.com>
>>
>> Look at this !
>> It's a pic I took on my Nikon Df with the 70 to 200 lens,
>>  but additionally zoomed in a very very long way in Photoshop!
>>
>> I have never seen prop-tip con-trails before, and  just for three or four
>> aircraft lengths!
>>
>> The venue is at just beyond the south end of Biggin Hill at last
>> weekend's Air Festival
>> The plane is an ex Spanish, Messerschmidt Bf 109, license built in 1959
>> with a Rolls Royce Merlin engine, Hispano HA112 MIL also known as the
>> Buchon.
>> This one was amongst 27 aircraft that were bought by and used in the
>> famous 1968 film " Battle of Britain"
>>
>> Of course it sounds almost exactly like a Hurricane or Spitfire but
>> (french friend) Marc-Antoine said he has heard a stand alone
>>   Messerschmidt engine being run up in a french museum somewhere and it was
>> much more, suitably, gutteral and growly than a Rolls!
>>
>> Peter
>>
>> <_DFB2320zoom.jpg>--
>>
>>
>> Tech1 mailing list
>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk
>>
>>
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From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com  Sun Aug 26 08:48:39 2018
From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray)
Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2018 14:48:39 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Evesham in the early nineteen-sixties
Message-ID: <985b3e3b-e2f6-2729-7dbe-7584787cee5a@gmail.com>

Hi all,

For those of us who went on T.O. courses at Evesham in the early 
nineteen-sixties and who did not have PMT (Personal Motorised 
Transport), the following picture may stir memories ...



This photograph appeared in the latest edition of the "Great Western 
Echo" (Great Western Society) and was taken by Mike Preston in 1962. It 
shows no 7031 Cromwell's Castle with the 5.39 from Paddington, running 
into Evesham with a Worcester/Hereford train.

This scene could still be seen in 1963, and steam was still around until 
late 1965, but many of the Worcester/Hereford trains were being hauled 
by Diesel Hydraulics during this period..You were lucky to be steam hauled!

Many of us debunked from Wood Norton for the weekend, and caught the 
latest possible train back to Evesham on the Sunday evening - the latest 
possible being determined by the BBC Bus timetable (and they called it a 
coach !!)


As issued, complete with amendments.

Off the train (with suitcase in hand), out the station, down the High 
Street to your awaiting charabanc.


The? Bus timetable was printed on the outside cover of the Wood Norton 
Hall Welfare and Club Guide, herewith attached.

I've linked 1 file to this email:
Wood-Norton-Guide.pdf 
<https://app.box.com/s/eaaja0ndhv3qeq572as4ey0qnxj7nbw7>(7.8 MB)Box 
<https://www.box.com/thunderbird>https://app.box.com/s/eaaja0ndhv3qeq572as4ey0qnxj7nbw7
Mozilla Thunderbird <http://www.getthunderbird.com> makes it easy to 
share large files over email.

The double page centre spread was a plan of (part of) the Wood Norton 
site: this is attached as a double page to make it easier to see.

The Fire instructions were printed (er, duplicated on a stencil 
duplicator) in RED. A bit of effort involved there.


Some people may have travelled on that other rail route to and from 
Evesham - that is, not ex Great Western - from Birmingham and Redditch: 
If, in the picture above, you look beyond the man with a suitcase, you 
can just make out the arches of the windows of the Midland station.


The LMS tracks came into Evesham via a tunnel under the Midland Railway 
Hotel.


-- 

Best Regards

Alec

Alec Bray

alec.bray.2 at gmail.com
mob:    07789 561 346
home:   0118 981 7502

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From geoffletch at gmail.com  Sun Aug 26 09:03:55 2018
From: geoffletch at gmail.com (Geoff Fletcher)
Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2018 15:03:55 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Evesham in the early nineteen-sixties
In-Reply-To: <985b3e3b-e2f6-2729-7dbe-7584787cee5a@gmail.com>
References: <985b3e3b-e2f6-2729-7dbe-7584787cee5a@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAB99AB853Y=eS30ER5=iPt7haRJpa7Rz0aR1OgK1N=vRruD0Ug@mail.gmail.com>

Lovely photo for a Great western man Alec. When we arrived at Evesham in
April 1964 the train had to pull forward after it had  stopped, to allow
one of our course members to get his motorbike out of the guards van.
Geoff F

On Sun, 26 Aug 2018 at 14:49, Alec Bray via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> For those of us who went on T.O. courses at Evesham in the early
> nineteen-sixties and who did not have PMT (Personal Motorised Transport),
> the following picture may stir memories ...
>
>
>
> This photograph appeared in the latest edition of the "Great Western Echo"
> (Great Western Society) and was taken by Mike Preston in 1962. It shows no
> 7031 Cromwell's Castle with the 5.39 from Paddington, running into Evesham
> with a Worcester/Hereford train.
>
> This scene could still be seen in 1963, and steam was still around until
> late 1965, but many of the Worcester/Hereford trains were being hauled by
> Diesel Hydraulics during this period..You were lucky to be steam hauled!
>
> Many of us debunked from Wood Norton for the weekend, and caught the
> latest possible train back to Evesham on the Sunday evening - the latest
> possible being determined by the BBC Bus timetable (and they called it a
> coach !!)
>
>
> As issued, complete with amendments.
>
> Off the train (with suitcase in hand), out the station, down the High
> Street to your awaiting charabanc.
>
>
> The  Bus timetable was printed on the outside cover of the Wood Norton
> Hall Welfare and Club Guide, herewith attached.
> I've linked 1 file to this email:
> Wood-Norton-Guide.pdf
> <https://app.box.com/s/eaaja0ndhv3qeq572as4ey0qnxj7nbw7>(7.8 MB)Box
> <https://www.box.com/thunderbird>
> https://app.box.com/s/eaaja0ndhv3qeq572as4ey0qnxj7nbw7
> Mozilla Thunderbird <http://www.getthunderbird.com> makes it easy to
> share large files over email.
>
> The double page centre spread was a plan of (part of) the Wood Norton
> site: this is attached as a double page to make it easier to see.
>
> The Fire instructions were printed (er, duplicated on a stencil
> duplicator) in RED. A bit of effort involved there.
>
>
> Some people may have travelled on that other rail route to and from
> Evesham - that is, not ex Great Western - from Birmingham and Redditch: If,
> in the picture above, you look beyond the man with a suitcase, you can just
> make out the arches of the windows of the Midland station.
>
>
> The LMS tracks came into Evesham via a tunnel under the Midland Railway
> Hotel.
>
>
> --
>
> Best Regards
>
> Alec
>
> Alec Bray
> alec.bray.2 at gmail.com
> mob:    07789 561 346
> home:   0118 981 7502
>
> --
> Tech1 mailing list
> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk
>
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From chris.booth at froyle.com  Sun Aug 26 09:28:10 2018
From: chris.booth at froyle.com (chris.booth at froyle.com)
Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2018 15:28:10 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Evesham in the early nineteen-sixties
Message-ID: <BFE547107B5B4BDABBFBFA8055F39144@Archiveupgrade>

And here is the coach/bus in all its glory,


(other interesting vehicles in the background) 
----------
Chris B
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From graeme.wall at icloud.com  Sun Aug 26 09:52:04 2018
From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall)
Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2018 15:52:04 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Evesham in the early nineteen-sixties
In-Reply-To: <CAB99AB853Y=eS30ER5=iPt7haRJpa7Rz0aR1OgK1N=vRruD0Ug@mail.gmail.com>
References: <985b3e3b-e2f6-2729-7dbe-7584787cee5a@gmail.com>
	<CAB99AB853Y=eS30ER5=iPt7haRJpa7Rz0aR1OgK1N=vRruD0Ug@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4F3DD6F7-1DEA-4618-8AA7-AD6F71211938@icloud.com>

By the time I got to Evesham it was all Warships.
? 
Graeme Wall





> On 26 Aug 2018, at 15:03, Geoff Fletcher via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Lovely photo for a Great western man Alec. When we arrived at Evesham in April 1964 the train had to pull forward after it had  stopped, to allow one of our course members to get his motorbike out of the guards van. 
> Geoff F
> 
> On Sun, 26 Aug 2018 at 14:49, Alec Bray via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> For those of us who went on T.O. courses at Evesham in the early nineteen-sixties and who did not have PMT (Personal Motorised Transport), the following picture may stir memories ...
> 
> 
> <gjnkadfgiefmhhca.png>
> 
> 
> This photograph appeared in the latest edition of the "Great Western Echo" (Great Western Society) and was taken by Mike Preston in 1962. It shows no 7031 Cromwell's Castle with the 5.39 from Paddington, running into Evesham with a Worcester/Hereford train.  
> This scene could still be seen in 1963, and steam was still around until late 1965, but many of the Worcester/Hereford trains       were being hauled by Diesel Hydraulics during this period..You were lucky to be steam hauled!
> Many of us debunked from Wood Norton for the weekend, and caught the latest possible train back to Evesham on the Sunday evening - the latest possible being determined by the BBC Bus timetable (and they called it a coach !!)
> 
> <kdghhakoeogoogpf.png>
> 
> 
> As issued, complete with amendments.  
> Off the train (with suitcase in hand), out the station, down the High Street to your awaiting charabanc.
> 
> 
> The  Bus timetable was printed on the outside cover of the Wood Norton Hall Welfare and Club Guide, herewith attached.
> I've linked 1 file to this email:
> <pcoegadndalacohe.png>Wood-Norton-Guide.pdf(7.8 MB)<box-logo.png>Box
> https://app.box.com/s/eaaja0ndhv3qeq572as4ey0qnxj7nbw7
> Mozilla Thunderbird makes it easy to share large files over email.
> The double page centre spread was a plan of (part of) the Wood Norton site: this is attached as a double page to make it easier to see.
> 
> The Fire instructions were printed (er, duplicated on a stencil duplicator) in RED. A bit of effort involved there.
> 
> 
> Some people may have travelled on that other rail route to and from Evesham - that is, not ex Great Western - from Birmingham and Redditch: If, in the picture above, you look beyond the man with a suitcase, you can just make out the arches of the windows of the Midland station.
> 
> 
> <eckelcicocgnhdah.png>
> 
> The LMS tracks came into Evesham via a tunnel under the Midland Railway Hotel.
> 
> -- 
> 
> Best Regards
> 
> Alec
> 
> Alec Bray
> 
> 
> alec.bray.2 at gmail.com
> 
> mob:    07789 561 346
> home:   0118 981 7502
> 
> -- 
> Tech1 mailing list
> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk
> -- 
> Tech1 mailing list
> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk



From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Sun Aug 26 10:26:04 2018
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2018 16:26:04 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Wood Norton Course
In-Reply-To: <927208696.738454.1535280886676@email.1and1.co.uk>
References: <927208696.738454.1535280886676@email.1and1.co.uk>
Message-ID: <cdf19dd8-9902-6209-2392-c507df1fce48@btinternet.com>

Either Sound Training Course or Stereo? Cheers, Dave


From mikej at bmanor.co.uk  Sun Aug 26 10:45:02 2018
From: mikej at bmanor.co.uk (Mike Jordan)
Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2018 16:45:02 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Evesham in the early nineteen-sixties
In-Reply-To: <BFE547107B5B4BDABBFBFA8055F39144@Archiveupgrade>
References: <BFE547107B5B4BDABBFBFA8055F39144@Archiveupgrade>
Message-ID: <9E1E0ABB64B74439BE166F99CBF8442C@Gigabyte>

Can?t escape these buses!

(and of course we are not allowed to know where Sat ops is now based!) even though BBC put a photo online with them hidden but forgot to remove Studio 13 from the shot ? giveaway to the knowledgeable

Mike

From: chris.booth--- via Tech1 
Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2018 3:28 PM
To: Bernienet 
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Evesham in the early nineteen-sixties

And here is the coach/bus in all its glory,
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From teateatone2 at gmail.com  Sun Aug 26 15:01:20 2018
From: teateatone2 at gmail.com (Tony Grant)
Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2018 21:01:20 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Skeletons
In-Reply-To: <5C6C708C54924408AC2505BFDCBF7EB2@dell9100>
References: <320050a8-1618-0e27-3b66-031e075c3c04@gmail.com>
	<5C6C708C54924408AC2505BFDCBF7EB2@dell9100>
Message-ID: <CAEMv0RMSW-baMTzX1qsH=Ad=_vRw09AGTUfhPpkqzz7V+1xS7g@mail.gmail.com>

When we moved to Chalfont, we were taken to the Royal Standard in Forty
Green by some of our neighbours. I can confirm that they only served halves
of Owd Roger, except Heather didn't know this, and when she ordered a pint
and was told she could only have a half she started upbraiding them on
would today be called 'sexism' or sexist. They assured her this was not so,
but without consulting the rest of us, she insisted on a pint, and blow me,
they served her! Of course, I was then left to take her home and put her to
bed, fortunately having only drunk a half - which I found to be too sweet
to my taste, thus obviating a call for any more.

TeaTeaFN - Tony

On Sat, Aug 25, 2018 at 11:07 PM Chris on gmail via Tech1 <
tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

>   The Mix is almost Ready - attached
>
> Chris--
> Tech1 mailing list
> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk
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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Sun Aug 26 15:05:20 2018
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2018 21:05:20 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Skeletons
In-Reply-To: <CAEMv0RMSW-baMTzX1qsH=Ad=_vRw09AGTUfhPpkqzz7V+1xS7g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <320050a8-1618-0e27-3b66-031e075c3c04@gmail.com>
	<5C6C708C54924408AC2505BFDCBF7EB2@dell9100>
	<CAEMv0RMSW-baMTzX1qsH=Ad=_vRw09AGTUfhPpkqzz7V+1xS7g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5b56f873-9dd5-ba82-6f92-5538f573c4dc@btinternet.com>

Lucky you, a quiet night for once then! Cheers, Dave


From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Sun Aug 26 15:13:59 2018
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2018 21:13:59 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: J.Beam
In-Reply-To: <82845947.738435.1535280652929@email.1and1.co.uk>
References: <607D766172364977A52687D778D48869@BillPC>
	<1d91511d-4cfa-2354-cc81-95a90bf76393@btinternet.com>
	<82845947.738435.1535280652929@email.1and1.co.uk>
Message-ID: <93885e52-4f57-e4c3-cf33-466f9e089cf4@btinternet.com>

That would be Jim Beam BOURBON then! Les Mowbray will have serious words 
with you as his Dad worked for the Isle of Jura distillery and Bourbon 
is not whisky! Whiskey is one made outside Scotland, ie. Ireland , 
Canada, etc. although there are lots of disputes about the name! As 
usual, where alcohol is concerned there are many variations of the 
truth! Cheer, hic, Dave


From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Sun Aug 26 15:36:04 2018
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2018 21:36:04 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] emails
Message-ID: <21ecccbf-c13c-8085-8d8f-4c912d7f83be@btinternet.com>

So why did my email to Tony Grant arrive in my inbox but not my one to 
John Nottage or my two to Mike Giles? What's going on? Cheers, Dave


From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Sun Aug 26 16:55:20 2018
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2018 22:55:20 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Skeletons
In-Reply-To: <CAEMv0ROvCDS0U4gQFCEfvrZtufL9bc3-EEi2TwwgOSu=yjOPHQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <320050a8-1618-0e27-3b66-031e075c3c04@gmail.com>
	<5C6C708C54924408AC2505BFDCBF7EB2@dell9100>
	<CAEMv0RMSW-baMTzX1qsH=Ad=_vRw09AGTUfhPpkqzz7V+1xS7g@mail.gmail.com>
	<5b56f873-9dd5-ba82-6f92-5538f573c4dc@btinternet.com>
	<CAEMv0ROvCDS0U4gQFCEfvrZtufL9bc3-EEi2TwwgOSu=yjOPHQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5d4a96c6-39ff-07c0-31a9-df7ce2d7ae30@btinternet.com>

Was that before your best efforts or after? Cheers, Dave


From alex.thomas1 at talktalk.net  Sun Aug 26 17:13:44 2018
From: alex.thomas1 at talktalk.net (Alex Thomas)
Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2018 23:13:44 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] FW:  Fwd: Buchon con-trails
Message-ID: <000601d43d8a$0e4f3480$2aed9d80$@thomas1@talktalk.net>

 

 

From: Alex Thomas [mailto:alex.thomas1 at talktalk.net] 
Sent: 26 August 2018 20:34
To: 'Bernard Newnham'
Subject: RE: [Tech1] Fwd: Buchon con-trails

 

It?s a big site but there are a lot of pictures of vortices (or should it be vortici) plus explanations on this site.

 

https://aviation.stackexchange.com/questions/25024/can-these-vortices-be-dangerous 

 

Alex Thomas

 

 

 

From: Tech1 [mailto:tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk] On Behalf Of Bernard Newnham via Tech1
Sent: 24 August 2018 19:54
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: Buchon con-trails

 

 



-------- Forwarded Message -------- 


Subject: 

Buchon con-trails


Date: 

Fri, 24 Aug 2018 10:56:26 +0100


From: 

Peter Fox  <mailto:peter.fox at zero51.co.uk> <peter.fox at zero51.co.uk>


To: 

Bernard Newnham  <mailto:bernie833 at gmail.com> <bernie833 at gmail.com>

 

Look at this ! 

It's a pic I took on my Nikon Df with the 70 to 200 lens,  but additionally zoomed in a very very long way in Photoshop!

I have never seen prop-tip con-trails before, and  just for three or four aircraft lengths!

The venue is at just beyond the south end of Biggin Hill at last weekend's Air Festival

The plane is an ex Spanish, Messerschmidt Bf 109, license built in 1959 with a Rolls Royce Merlin engine, Hispano HA112 MIL also known as the Buchon.

This one was amongst 27 aircraft that were bought by and used in the famous 1968 film " Battle of Britain"

Of course it sounds almost exactly like a Hurricane or Spitfire but (french friend) Marc-Antoine said he has heard a stand alone Messerschmidt engine being run up in a french museum somewhere and it was much more, suitably, gutteral and growly than a Rolls!

Peter

 

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From keithwicksuk at gmail.com  Mon Aug 27 06:33:30 2018
From: keithwicksuk at gmail.com (Keith Wicks)
Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2018 12:33:30 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] FW: Fwd: Buchon con-trails
In-Reply-To: <5b83263c.1c69fb81.2baff.bf53SMTPIN_ADDED_BROKEN@mx.google.com>
References: <5b83263c.1c69fb81.2baff.bf53SMTPIN_ADDED_BROKEN@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <CAA=qGJkbEdUVka_2pgGFdGBrji6y6RuLor8vSAT0-K2yR=YcaQ@mail.gmail.com>

Vortices is OK. So is vortexes. But not vortici ? in English at least,
although the word *is* used in Italian and Latin. However, if you can
persuade many others to use that form in English documents, and to continue
using it, then lexicographers will take note and eventually include it in
their dictionaries. Eventually...
KW

On 26 August 2018 at 23:13, Alex Thomas via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
wrote:

>
>
> *From:* Alex Thomas [mailto:alex.thomas1 at talktalk.net]
> *Sent:* 26 August 2018 20:34
> *To:* 'Bernard Newnham'
> *Subject:* RE: [Tech1] Fwd: Buchon con-trails
>
>
>
> It?s a big site but there are a lot of pictures of vortices (or should it
> be vortici) plus explanations on this site.
>
>
>
> https://aviation.stackexchange.com/questions/25024/can-these-vortices-be-
> dangerous
>
>
>
> Alex Thomas
>
>
>
> *From:* Tech1 [mailto:tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk] *On Behalf Of *Bernard
> Newnham via Tech1
> *Sent:* 24 August 2018 19:54
> *To:* tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> *Subject:* [Tech1] Fwd: Buchon con-trails
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -------- Forwarded Message --------
>
> *Subject: *
>
> Buchon con-trails
>
> *Date: *
>
> Fri, 24 Aug 2018 10:56:26 +0100
>
> *From: *
>
> Peter Fox <peter.fox at zero51.co.uk> <peter.fox at zero51.co.uk>
>
> *To: *
>
> Bernard Newnham <bernie833 at gmail.com> <bernie833 at gmail.com>
>
>
>
> Look at this !
>
> It's a pic I took on my Nikon Df with the 70 to 200 lens,  but
> additionally zoomed in a very very long way in Photoshop!
>
> I have never seen prop-tip con-trails before, and  just for three or four
> aircraft lengths!
>
> The venue is at just beyond the south end of Biggin Hill at last weekend's
> Air Festival
>
> The plane is an ex Spanish, Messerschmidt Bf 109, license built in 1959
> with a Rolls Royce Merlin engine, Hispano HA112 MIL also known as the
> Buchon.
>
> This one was amongst 27 aircraft that were bought by and used in the
> famous 1968 film " Battle of Britain"
>
> Of course it sounds almost exactly like a Hurricane or Spitfire but
> (french friend) Marc-Antoine said he has heard a stand alone Messerschmidt
> engine being run up in a french museum somewhere and it was much more,
> suitably, gutteral and growly than a Rolls!
>
> Peter
>
>
>
> --
> Tech1 mailing list
> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk
>
>
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From ian.hillson at gmail.com  Tue Aug 28 06:49:48 2018
From: ian.hillson at gmail.com (Ian H)
Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2018 12:49:48 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Evesham in the early nineteen-sixties
In-Reply-To: <BFE547107B5B4BDABBFBFA8055F39144@Archiveupgrade>
References: <BFE547107B5B4BDABBFBFA8055F39144@Archiveupgrade>
Message-ID: <CAO37+kYtz=r9PGfhnOh16DfopF5HAHK02OUTeK+q0yH9UepSyQ@mail.gmail.com>

For sad people (like me) RXX was registered in London sometime after August
1955, and its replacement SLL after Oct 1967 (and in service for my first
course in Jan 1968).  SLL 214F went on to become a 'traveller home'...
[image: SLL.jpg]
http://www.travellerhomes.co.uk/?p=16157

I
-------------
On Sun, Aug 26, 2018 at 3:28 PM chris.booth--- via Tech1 <
tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

> And here is the coach/bus in all its glory,
>
> [image: BBC bus at Evesham Station]
> *(other interesting vehicles in the background)*
> ----------
> Chris B
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From davelebreton at btinternet.com  Tue Aug 28 09:57:20 2018
From: davelebreton at btinternet.com (davelebreton at btinternet.com)
Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2018 15:57:20 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Evesham in the early nineteen-sixties
In-Reply-To: <CAO37+kYtz=r9PGfhnOh16DfopF5HAHK02OUTeK+q0yH9UepSyQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BFE547107B5B4BDABBFBFA8055F39144@Archiveupgrade>
	<CAO37+kYtz=r9PGfhnOh16DfopF5HAHK02OUTeK+q0yH9UepSyQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1F70DC52BF0542C89544FF3D934A522B@DavidPC>

That?s a nice Austin Atlantic convertible hiding behind the front of RXX.

Dave LeB

From: Ian H via Tech1 
Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2018 12:49 PM
To: chris.booth at froyle.com 
Cc: Tech-OpsMailing List 
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Evesham in the early nineteen-sixties

For sad people (like me) RXX was registered in London sometime after August 1955, and its replacement SLL after Oct 1967 (and in service for my first course in Jan 1968).  SLL 214F went on to become a 'traveller home'... 


http://www.travellerhomes.co.uk/?p=16157


I
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On Sun, Aug 26, 2018 at 3:28 PM chris.booth--- via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

  And here is the coach/bus in all its glory,


  (other interesting vehicles in the background) 
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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Wed Aug 29 17:13:55 2018
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2018 23:13:55 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Evesham in the early nineteen-sixties
In-Reply-To: <CAO37+kYtz=r9PGfhnOh16DfopF5HAHK02OUTeK+q0yH9UepSyQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Lovely to see the charabanc which met me at Evesham Station on that 
fateful day in Sept. 1961 which started me on my 'Amazing Journey' into 
broadcasting! Oh, the stories that it could tell! About how my room-mate 
travelled back to Colditz on the floor and wasn't too well the next 
morning in lectures ( I blame Jimmy Bruce for persuading Reg to supply 
Carlsberg Specials to the innocent Southeners who hadn't been brought up 
on it!) Happy days. Cheers, Dave.


From patheigham at amps.net  Thu Aug 30 10:34:23 2018
From: patheigham at amps.net (patrickheigham)
Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2018 16:34:23 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Evesham in the early nineteen-sixties
In-Reply-To: <7bf71d6f-d522-fb4e-8080-3bf03658b738@btinternet.com>
References: <BFE547107B5B4BDABBFBFA8055F39144@Archiveupgrade><CAO37+kYtz=r9PGfhnOh16DfopF5HAHK02OUTeK+q0yH9UepSyQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <D8C2A9CD8951479A8E2039645E0770B5@PATRICKSONY>

I never travelled on the bus, as scrounged lifts with car-owners
from London, until I had my own 4-wheels.
Must have, though, as there was a trip to Aston University
to see a demo of the Eidophor projector with material
'up the line' from TVC.
The PA was handled by B'ham Radio OB's and was
superb! Never heard better, to this day.

Once got a lift with Mike McCarthy, and there were
no oik spaces on the driveway, so Mike left the vehicle
near the top.
In the morning, the Warden (Major) tackled Mike with:
"Mr. McCarthy - your car's in the top ten!"
Mike's reply was:
"Great! does it get gold hubcaps!"

The whole attitude of the BBC Wood Norton was little
less than treating us like naughty prep school pupils.
What was illuminating was how out of touch the tutors
were regarding current studio practice. Previously,
I had spent six months in TVC studios, frequently
operating the main boom on sitcoms, and the advice
imparted to us at WN was so out of date!

Carlsberg Specials!
I developed a taste for these, until a freelance corporate,
"Freezing Fish on Shore" took me to Grimsby (the first
4 letters sums it up!). Stashed in the hotel, I found six
CS's lined up on the bar.
Next morning - horrendous hangover and into the cool
warehouse which stank of fish long time deprived of their
normal environment. I had to keep vanishing outside
to hoick up!

Best
Pat

 
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "dave.mdv via Tech1" <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
To: "Ian H" <ian.hillson at gmail.com>; <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2018 11:13 PM
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Evesham in the early nineteen-sixties


> Lovely to see the charabanc which met me at Evesham Station on that 
> fateful day in Sept. 1961 which started me on my 'Amazing Journey' into 
> broadcasting! Oh, the stories that it could tell! About how my room-mate 
> travelled back to Colditz on the floor and wasn't too well the next 
> morning in lectures ( I blame Jimmy Bruce for persuading Reg to supply 
> Carlsberg Specials to the innocent Southeners who hadn't been brought up 
> on it!) Happy days. Cheers, Dave.



From warwick at broadcast.associates  Thu Aug 30 11:42:38 2018
From: warwick at broadcast.associates (Warwick @ Broadcast Associates)
Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2018 17:42:38 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Wood Norton Course
In-Reply-To: <927208696.738454.1535280886676@email.1and1.co.uk>
References: <927208696.738454.1535280886676@email.1and1.co.uk>
Message-ID: <363A847B-3C34-4474-9E42-B7E7952A4CD3@broadcast.associates>

Digital Techniques Course?

Warwick

> On 26 Aug 2018, at 11:54, John Nottage via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Memory has failed me (again). Found in an old diary that I spent 2 weeks at Wood Norton 19th to 30th Sept 1983. I've no idea what for. Can anyone help, please?
> 
> John
> 
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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Wed Aug 29 15:28:34 2018
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2018 21:28:34 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Cinema
Message-ID: <a7d19a74-24e9-8693-33d1-eb8ac477a7cd@btinternet.com>

The Boss and I have just been to see 'Mission Impossible' and I am quite 
exhausted! If it hadn't been for the luxury reclining seats and a large 
glass of Shiraz I don't know how I would have coped! To think that I 
used to spend a measly 9d.(4? p.) to see two films, plus Path? News, 
plus trailers, plus Pearl & Dean ads., how things have changed! It only 
cost ?33.75 for the afternoon treat as well! A bargain, I hear you say! 
Cheers, Dave


From bernie833 at gmail.com  Thu Aug 30 16:34:03 2018
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2018 22:34:03 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] technical problems
Message-ID: <eb0271ef-9cf2-1f23-9e9f-d1b230909b3a@gmail.com>

The tech-ops.co.uk system has been down for a day or so, so if you've 
sent to the list youmay need to do it again.

It seems that Site5, our new hosting provider, turned off the 
ixwebhosting (our old provider) name servers without telling me. They 
say they emailed everyone, but I had to wait in a live chat queue for 40 
minutes - all of Upstart Crow - so just possibly they didn't quite tell 
anyone.

If that's meaningless -
The internet works on numbers, not names, so somemachine has to 
translate from tech-ops.co.uk to something like 192.168.1.254 (actually 
a huge long sequence of ones and noughts). The company that registered 
the name in the first place - tsohosts.com is ours - has a place where 
you put in the name of the root nameserverfor the website - in this case 
ns2.site5.com - provide by Site5, the webhosting provider. Site5 is at 
that point the only one that knows what the actual numbers are.? The 
Site5 nameserver then tells all the other nameservers in the world this 
address, which can take 24 hours. When you type in an address - 
www.tech-ops.co.uk - your local nameserver looks up the numbers provided 
by the host and goes there.

If you got this its all working again now.

B
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From davidpcarter at btinternet.com  Thu Aug 30 18:12:52 2018
From: davidpcarter at btinternet.com (David Carter)
Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2018 00:12:52 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [Tech1] technical problems
In-Reply-To: <eb0271ef-9cf2-1f23-9e9f-d1b230909b3a@gmail.com>
References: <eb0271ef-9cf2-1f23-9e9f-d1b230909b3a@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5489424.49984.1535670772893.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost>

Isn't it wonderful what you can do with numbers.
Well done Bernie.
David
----Original message----
>From : tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Date : 30/08/2018 - 22:34 (BST)
To : tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject : [Tech1] technical problems
  
    
  
  
    The tech-ops.co.uk system
      has been down for a day or so, so if you've sent to the list you may need to do it again.
        
        It seems that Site5, our new hosting provider, turned off the
              ixwebhosting (our old provider) name servers without
              telling me. They say they emailed everyone, but I had to wait
                in a live chat queue for 40 minutes - all of Upstart
                Crow - so just possibly they didn't quite tell anyone.
                  
                  If that's
                    meaningless - 
                    The internet
                        works on numbers, not names, so some machine
                          has to translate from tech-ops.co.uk to
                          something like 192.168.1.254 (actually a huge
                          long sequence of ones and noughts). 
                          The
                          company that registered the
                              name in the first place - tsohosts.com is
                                ours - has a place where you put
                              in the name of the root nameserver for
                                the website -   in
                                                        this case
                              ns2.site5.com - provide by Site5, the
                              webhosting provider. Site5 is at that
                              point the only one that knows what the
                                actual numbers
                                    are.  The Site5
                                      nameserver then tells all the
                                      other nameservers in
                                        the world this
                                          address, which can take 24
                                          hours.   When
                                    you type in an address - www.tech-ops.co.uk
                                      - your local nameserver looks up
                                      the numbers provided by the host and
                                        goes there.
                                        
                                        If you got this
                                          its all working again now.
                                          
                                          B
                                      
  
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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Fri Aug 31 16:22:09 2018
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2018 22:22:09 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Meerkats
Message-ID: <3c71710e-a144-d073-bec0-43b2802050e8@btinternet.com>

I don't think that they would be as exciting as Tom Cruise! Seriously, I 
don't think the offer would cover reclining seats and Shiraz. Thanks 
Nick. Cheers, Dave


From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Fri Aug 31 16:24:07 2018
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2018 22:24:07 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] technical problems
In-Reply-To: <5489424.49984.1535670772893.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost>
References: <eb0271ef-9cf2-1f23-9e9f-d1b230909b3a@gmail.com>
	<5489424.49984.1535670772893.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost>
Message-ID: <b9f92c5c-666f-9909-657a-ae5161918d6b@btinternet.com>

As I said before, I think Bernie deserves a medal for his diligence, I 
didn't understand any of his explanation as to why they buggered up our 
newsgroup! Cheers, Dave