{"id":4330,"date":"2015-07-20T12:46:11","date_gmt":"2015-07-20T12:46:11","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/tech-ops.co.uk\/next\/?page_id=4330"},"modified":"2024-03-21T15:54:41","modified_gmt":"2024-03-21T15:54:41","slug":"strange-cgi-trains-in-programmes","status":"publish","type":"page","link":"http:\/\/tech-ops.co.uk\/next\/strange-cgi-trains-in-programmes\/","title":{"rendered":"Strange (CGI) Trains in Programmes"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\"><strong>Alec Bray<\/strong><\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">I thought that \u201cCall The Midwife\u201d did a good job in recreating the atmosphere of the mid-to-late 1950s \u2013 and with this later series 4 coming into the early 1960s.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">But this scene (\u201cCall The Midwife\u201d Series 4 episode 4 &nbsp;tx Sunday 08 Feb 2015) made me sit up with a jolt!<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-video\"><video height=\"720\" style=\"aspect-ratio: 1280 \/ 720;\" width=\"1280\" controls src=\"http:\/\/tech-ops.co.uk\/next\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/03\/Call_The_Midwife.mp4\"><\/video><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">The locomotive has at least 5 (five!) tenders.&nbsp; Thankfully they have the correct BR logo for the period.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<em>(Click on the picture below to see larger version of this picture:<br>\n&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Click the &#8220;X&#8221; button (top right) to close the larger picture)<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image is-resized\"><a href=\"http:\/\/tech-ops.co.uk\/next\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/07\/cgi_trains_1.png\" data-rel=\"lightbox-image-0\" data-rl_title=\"\" data-rl_caption=\"\" title=\"\"><img decoding=\"async\" width=\"300\" height=\"140\" src=\"http:\/\/tech-ops.co.uk\/next\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/07\/cgi_trains_1-300x140.png\" alt=\"cgi_trains_1\" class=\"wp-image-4321\" style=\"width:673px;height:auto\" srcset=\"http:\/\/tech-ops.co.uk\/next\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/07\/cgi_trains_1-300x140.png 300w, http:\/\/tech-ops.co.uk\/next\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/07\/cgi_trains_1-1024x477.png 1024w, http:\/\/tech-ops.co.uk\/next\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/07\/cgi_trains_1.png 1236w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><i>Pace<\/i> those who say I should be involved in the action, but having been interested in steam railways since before I can remember, this stood out like a sore thumb!<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">When things like this are wrong, one wonders what else is wrong in the programme &#8230;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\"><strong>Graeme Wall<\/strong><\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Weird! &nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Under normal circumstances that\u2019s not possible as the loco-tender connection is different to the tender-train connection. &nbsp;The exception being Flying Scotsman\u2019s second tender that was modified in preservation.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\"><strong>John Howell<\/strong><\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">It was the start of the scene and something that large (too large?) moving at the top of frame with accompanying sound effect is bound to draw your attention.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<em>(Click on the picture below to see larger version of this picture:<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Click the &#8220;X&#8221; button (top right) to close the larger picture)<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image is-resized\"><a href=\"http:\/\/tech-ops.co.uk\/next\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/07\/cgi_trains_2.png\" data-rel=\"lightbox-image-1\" data-rl_title=\"\" data-rl_caption=\"\" title=\"\"><img decoding=\"async\" width=\"300\" height=\"255\" src=\"http:\/\/tech-ops.co.uk\/next\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/07\/cgi_trains_2-300x255.png\" alt=\"cgi_trains_2\" class=\"wp-image-4322\" style=\"width:671px;height:auto\" srcset=\"http:\/\/tech-ops.co.uk\/next\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/07\/cgi_trains_2-300x255.png 300w, http:\/\/tech-ops.co.uk\/next\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/07\/cgi_trains_2.png 885w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">I can&#8217;t help noticing an undue number of Scottish vehicle license plates, the Fordson van in the above scene was fine with its Kent registration but the doctor&#8217;s MG Magnette in the previous scene was an example. The DVLC released unused Scottish registrations to people who didn&#8217;t want a year letter on their vintage or classic car.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\"><strong>Dave Plowman<\/strong><\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">What has usually happened is the original (and presumably valuable) number has been sold. The DVLA then re-issue an age related one which can&#8217;t be transferred, commonly from a less densely populated part of the country where the original non age related numbers hadn&#8217;t run out. North of Scotland being a favourite with SA and SE as the last two letters.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">(At one time if you sold (or whatever) the number from an old car, you might get issued an equally valuable number which you could sell too. The DVLA eventually caught on to this &#8211; and keep them to sell themselves.)<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\"><strong>Geoff Fletcher<\/strong><\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Looking at John\u2019s still and speaking in railway modelling terms, the tender looks weathered but the loco doesn&#8217;t. The gap between the footplate and tender looks a bit odd too, and there is no sign of the driver and\/or fireman. There is usually a glimpse of one or the other in most railway photographs. In this view at least, it does give the impression of being a model rather than the real thing but I&#8217;m sure someone on the forum has the definitive answer.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\"><strong>Alec Bray<\/strong><\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<em>(Click on the picture below to see larger version of this picture:<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Click the &#8220;X&#8221; button (top right) to close the larger picture)<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image is-resized\"><a href=\"http:\/\/tech-ops.co.uk\/next\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/07\/cgi_trains_3.png\" data-rel=\"lightbox-image-2\" data-rl_title=\"\" data-rl_caption=\"\" title=\"\"><img decoding=\"async\" width=\"300\" height=\"59\" src=\"http:\/\/tech-ops.co.uk\/next\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/07\/cgi_trains_3-300x59.png\" alt=\"cgi_trains_3\" class=\"wp-image-4323\" style=\"width:671px;height:auto\" srcset=\"http:\/\/tech-ops.co.uk\/next\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/07\/cgi_trains_3-300x59.png 300w, http:\/\/tech-ops.co.uk\/next\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/07\/cgi_trains_3.png 828w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">The nearest I can get to it is an ex-LMS Black 5 (or maybe a BR Standard Class 5 with a BR 1G tender).<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<em>(Click on the picture below to see larger version of this picture:<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Click the &#8220;X&#8221; button (top right) to close the larger picture)<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image is-resized\"><a href=\"http:\/\/tech-ops.co.uk\/next\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/07\/cgi_trains_4.png\" data-rel=\"lightbox-image-3\" data-rl_title=\"\" data-rl_caption=\"\" title=\"\"><img decoding=\"async\" width=\"300\" height=\"108\" src=\"http:\/\/tech-ops.co.uk\/next\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/07\/cgi_trains_4-300x108.png\" alt=\"cgi_trains_4\" class=\"wp-image-4324\" style=\"width:669px;height:auto\" srcset=\"http:\/\/tech-ops.co.uk\/next\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/07\/cgi_trains_4-300x108.png 300w, http:\/\/tech-ops.co.uk\/next\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/07\/cgi_trains_4.png 344w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">In either case \u2013 unlikely to have been seen in Poplar!<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\"><strong>Bernie Newnham<\/strong><\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u201cEastenders\u201d once did that&nbsp; &#8211; maybe lots of times &#8211; put a train across the cardboard railway bridge. At least theirs was a real train &#8211; this one looks like a Hornby OO model. The EE one was recorded on a preserved line at the right angle and time of day and patched in by Mitch, or Chris Booth, or someone. I did a piece on PoV about it, so it was in the early 1990s.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\"><strong>David Brunt, Bernie Newnham<\/strong><\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">The WW2-set EE special (\u201cCivvy Street\u201d with a young Ethel and Lou Beale) tx on Boxing Day 1988 &nbsp;had a &nbsp;steam train across the bridge.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\"><strong>Dave Buckley, David Brunt, Peter Neill<\/strong><\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">I saw the episode of CTM and didn&#8217;t notice any problems with the train at the time, and I&#8217;m an enthusiast! &nbsp;However, looking at the clip there is definitely something odd.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">From what I remember of EE one of the episodes with a train (and probably the first) was when it was Lou Beale&#8217;s &nbsp;funeral &#8211; the train went over as the cort\u00e8ge went under.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-video\"><video height=\"480\" style=\"aspect-ratio: 852 \/ 480;\" width=\"852\" controls src=\"http:\/\/tech-ops.co.uk\/next\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/03\/Lou-Beale-Funeral-snippet.mp4\"><\/video><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">I spoke to the designer, Keith Harris, about it and he told me that the train was videoed on the Hammersmith and District line near TVC and CSO&#8217;d in.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<em>(Click on the picture below to see larger version of this picture:<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Click the &#8220;X&#8221; button (top right) to close the larger picture)<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image is-resized\"><a href=\"http:\/\/tech-ops.co.uk\/next\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/07\/cgi_trains_5.png\" data-rel=\"lightbox-image-4\" data-rl_title=\"\" data-rl_caption=\"\" title=\"\"><img decoding=\"async\" width=\"300\" height=\"225\" src=\"http:\/\/tech-ops.co.uk\/next\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/07\/cgi_trains_5-300x225.png\" alt=\"cgi_trains_5\" class=\"wp-image-4325\" style=\"width:671px;height:auto\" srcset=\"http:\/\/tech-ops.co.uk\/next\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/07\/cgi_trains_5-300x225.png 300w, http:\/\/tech-ops.co.uk\/next\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/07\/cgi_trains_5.png 585w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\"><strong>Peter Neill<\/strong><\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">I haven&#8217;t watched \u201cEastEenders\u201d for years but, given the live episodes (Tues 17<sup>th<\/sup> \u2013 &nbsp;Fri 20<sup>th<\/sup> Feb 2015) I gave it a go. Train over the cardboard bridge again and a nice high wide shot of the Square with Canary Wharf in the background.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\"><strong>Alec Bray<\/strong><\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">There was a CGI train on \u201cEastEnders\u201d as part of the \u201cflashback\u201d episode about Lucy Beale\u2019s murder &#8211; part of the 30<sup>th<\/sup> anniversay celebrations (tx date Thursday 19<sup>th<\/sup> Feb 2015).<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"http:\/\/www.tech-ops.co.uk\/bray\/video\/EastEnders_flashback_20150219_cut .avi\">EE Flashback<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-video\"><video height=\"720\" style=\"aspect-ratio: 1280 \/ 720;\" width=\"1280\" controls src=\"http:\/\/tech-ops.co.uk\/next\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/03\/EE_Flashover.mp4\"><\/video><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">I think that they were trying to represent the flash-over as the conductor rail pickups went over a joint \u2013 but it looked more like an explosion in the carriages!<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<em>(Click on the picture below to see larger version of this picture:<br>\n &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Click the &#8220;X&#8221; button (top right) to close the larger picture)<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image is-resized\"><a href=\"http:\/\/tech-ops.co.uk\/next\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/07\/cgi_trains_6.png\" data-rel=\"lightbox-image-5\" data-rl_title=\"\" data-rl_caption=\"\" title=\"\"><img decoding=\"async\" width=\"300\" height=\"168\" src=\"http:\/\/tech-ops.co.uk\/next\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/07\/cgi_trains_6-300x168.png\" alt=\"cgi_trains_6\" class=\"wp-image-4326\" style=\"width:668px;height:auto\" srcset=\"http:\/\/tech-ops.co.uk\/next\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/07\/cgi_trains_6-300x168.png 300w, http:\/\/tech-ops.co.uk\/next\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/07\/cgi_trains_6.png 691w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u2026 and a second time \u2026<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image is-resized\"><a href=\"http:\/\/tech-ops.co.uk\/next\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/07\/cgi_trains_7.png\" data-rel=\"lightbox-image-6\" data-rl_title=\"\" data-rl_caption=\"\" title=\"\"><img decoding=\"async\" width=\"300\" height=\"170\" src=\"http:\/\/tech-ops.co.uk\/next\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/07\/cgi_trains_7-300x170.png\" alt=\"cgi_trains_7\" class=\"wp-image-4327\" style=\"width:669px;height:auto\" srcset=\"http:\/\/tech-ops.co.uk\/next\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/07\/cgi_trains_7-300x170.png 300w, http:\/\/tech-ops.co.uk\/next\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/07\/cgi_trains_7.png 689w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<h1 class=\"wp-block-heading\">&nbsp;<\/h1>\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\">\n<figure class=\"aligncenter\"><img decoding=\"async\" width=\"300\" height=\"104\" src=\"http:\/\/tech-ops.co.uk\/next\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/07\/ianfootersmall-300x104.jpg\" alt=\"ianfootersmall\" class=\"wp-image-1061\" srcset=\"http:\/\/tech-ops.co.uk\/next\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/07\/ianfootersmall-300x104.jpg 300w, http:\/\/tech-ops.co.uk\/next\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/07\/ianfootersmall.jpg 348w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Alec Bray I thought that \u201cCall The Midwife\u201d did a good job in recreating the atmosphere of the mid-to-late 1950s \u2013 and with this later series 4 coming into the early 1960s. But this scene (\u201cCall The Midwife\u201d Series 4 &hellip; <a href=\"http:\/\/tech-ops.co.uk\/next\/strange-cgi-trains-in-programmes\/\">Continue reading <span class=\"meta-nav\">&rarr;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":6,"featured_media":0,"parent":0,"menu_order":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","template":"","meta":{"_coblocks_attr":"","_coblocks_dimensions":"","_coblocks_responsive_height":"","_coblocks_accordion_ie_support":"","advgb_blocks_editor_width":"","advgb_blocks_columns_visual_guide":"","_monsterinsights_skip_tracking":false,"_monsterinsights_sitenote_active":false,"_monsterinsights_sitenote_note":"","_monsterinsights_sitenote_category":0,"ngg_post_thumbnail":0,"footnotes":""},"categories":[],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-4330","page","type-page","status-publish","hentry"],"coauthors":[],"author_meta":{"author_link":"http:\/\/tech-ops.co.uk\/next\/author\/alec\/","display_name":"Alec Bray"},"relative_dates":{"created":"Posted 11 years ago","modified":"Updated 2 years ago"},"absolute_dates":{"created":"Posted on July 20, 2015","modified":"Updated on March 21, 2024"},"absolute_dates_time":{"created":"Posted on July 20, 2015 12:46 pm","modified":"Updated on March 21, 2024 3:54 pm"},"featured_img_caption":"","featured_img":false,"series_order":"","_links":{"self":[{"href":"http:\/\/tech-ops.co.uk\/next\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/pages\/4330","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"http:\/\/tech-ops.co.uk\/next\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/pages"}],"about":[{"href":"http:\/\/tech-ops.co.uk\/next\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/page"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/tech-ops.co.uk\/next\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/6"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/tech-ops.co.uk\/next\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=4330"}],"version-history":[{"count":6,"href":"http:\/\/tech-ops.co.uk\/next\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/pages\/4330\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":18460,"href":"http:\/\/tech-ops.co.uk\/next\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/pages\/4330\/revisions\/18460"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"http:\/\/tech-ops.co.uk\/next\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=4330"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/tech-ops.co.uk\/next\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=4330"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/tech-ops.co.uk\/next\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=4330"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}