{"id":11816,"date":"2021-03-07T12:33:44","date_gmt":"2021-03-07T12:33:44","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/tech-ops.co.uk\/next\/?page_id=11816"},"modified":"2021-03-07T12:33:44","modified_gmt":"2021-03-07T12:33:44","slug":"whos-the-dummy","status":"publish","type":"page","link":"http:\/\/tech-ops.co.uk\/next\/whos-the-dummy\/","title":{"rendered":"Who\u2019s the Dummy?"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<br><h3><strong>Geoff Hawkes<\/strong><\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">I remember the \u201cEducating Archie\u201d signature tune from the pre-television days in the late forties and early fifties when the radio, sorry, the wireless was the chief source of entertainment. Morning shows included \u201cHousewives\u2019 Choice\u201d or \u201cChildren\u2019s Choice\u201d through \u201cWoman\u2019s Hour\u201d in the afternoon, \u201cRoundabout\u201d at teatime followed by \u201cMy Word\u201d, \u201cJourney Into Space\u201d, \u201cPaul Temple\u201d, \u201cThe Guilty Party\u201d, \u201cMeet The Huggets\u201d, \u201cThe Glums\u201d, \u201cLife of Bliss\u201d (in \u201cTake It From Here\u201d) and many more in the evenings.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">I was interested to hear the name Julie Andrew\u2019s among the cast of \u201cEducating Archie\u201d as I\u2019d forgotten she was on that in her early days before she rose to stardom with \u201cMary Poppins\u201d and \u201cThe Sound of Music\u201d.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">I remember Max Bygraves being on it with his catchphrase, \u201cI\u2019ve arrived and to prove it I\u2019m here\u201d and liked him as a kind of elder brother figure. Twenty or so years later he was a guest on \u201cDes O\u2019Connor Tonight\u201d that I worked on and I said to him in passing that I thought he was good on \u201cEducating Archie\u201d. He must\u2019ve thought I was taking the Mickey though I don\u2019t know why as he shocked me by replying with a sneer, \u201c&#8230;What, me doing impressions?\u201d and turned away before I could explain. It may have been small beginnings for him that he chose to forget, but as a child the show left an impression on me that he might\u2019ve been pleased to hear about.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">To this day I sometimes quote his catchphrase as an aside when arriving somewhere, though it\u2019s clear that no-one remembers the origin of it. It\u2019s a bit like the enigmatic question, \u201cWhat\u2019s the difference between a duck?\u201d that Steve Cockayne used to quote. The origin of that seems unclear, though with the tag it sounds worthy of Groucho Marx. Do any of you know the tag before I reveal it?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Another funny line of Groucho Marx that I like is, \u201cI could dance with you till the cows come home &#8211; or I could dance with the cows till you come home&#8230;\u201d<br>I\u2019m sure you all have favourite one liners of your own to share.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><em>[ed: Answer: Two legs are the same]<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<br><h3><strong>Mike Giles<\/strong><\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">I\u2019m afraid I never did take to Archie Andrews and Peter Brough ~ even as a child I thought their humour puerile. And it mystified me as to why a radio show involved a ventriloquist and his dummy! Give me the subtlety of a Tony Hancock any day, or the riotous stuff from Kenneth Horne and co ~ riotous, but still cleverly written.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<br><h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\"><strong>Pat Heigham<\/strong><\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">The idea of a vent on radio rather defeats the illusion. Brough was such a bad vent that maybe he could only get bookings for radio!<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img decoding=\"async\" width=\"1024\" height=\"576\" src=\"http:\/\/tech-ops.co.uk\/next\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/03\/Petrer-Brough-and-Archie-Andrews-1024x576.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-11823\" srcset=\"http:\/\/tech-ops.co.uk\/next\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/03\/Petrer-Brough-and-Archie-Andrews-1024x576.jpg 1024w, http:\/\/tech-ops.co.uk\/next\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/03\/Petrer-Brough-and-Archie-Andrews-300x169.jpg 300w, http:\/\/tech-ops.co.uk\/next\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/03\/Petrer-Brough-and-Archie-Andrews-768x432.jpg 768w, http:\/\/tech-ops.co.uk\/next\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/03\/Petrer-Brough-and-Archie-Andrews.jpg 1200w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\" \/><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><\/p>\n\n\n\n<br><br><h3><strong>Geoff Hawkes<\/strong><\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">I think the opinion about Peter Brough\u2019s ventriloquistic skills were accurate from what I\u2019ve heard and there was a biographic programme on the radio a while ago that said the same.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<br><h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\"><strong>Pete Hider<\/strong><\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">It\u2019s an old story but worth retelling.&nbsp; When Archie Andrews was first on the radio, Peter Brough asked Ted Ray if he could see his lips move. Ted replied: &#8220;Only when the dummy speaks&#8221;.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<br><h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\"><strong>Dave Newbitt<\/strong><\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Ted Ray, I remember, was one of the old school comedians who largely got their material not from scriptwriters but by socialising with the great British public in pubs and elsewhere. As a youngster I found common ground with my parents (not a frequent phenomenon) in enjoying Ted Ray on the \u2018wireless\u2019.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<br><h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\"><strong>Pat Heigham<\/strong><\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Working the boom on the side set in TVT on \u201cPops &amp; Lenny\u201d, I found it hard to avoid favouring between Terry Hall and Lenny the Lion. My SS had to remind me that \u201cThere\u2019s only one of them talking, Pat!\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><\/p>\n\n\n\n<br><h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\"><strong>David Denness<\/strong><\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">In my opinion the best Vent I ever saw was Dennis Spicer with his dummy James Green.&nbsp; He appeared at the Royal Variety in 1964 to loud acclaim and unfortunately died two weeks later in a motoring accident.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">These days Nina Conti, daughter of Tom Conti, is getting plaudits for her at times unconventional act, but there is no denying she is a highly talented exponent of the art, and can be very amusing<\/p>\n\n\n\n<br><h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\"><strong>Pat Heigham<\/strong><\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">I love Nina Conti, too. Her act with the fake mouth\/jaw fitted to an unsuspecting audience member is hilarious.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<br><h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\"><strong>Geoff Hawkes<\/strong><\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">The vent who impressed me most was Ray Alan. I remember him coming into Pres A and sitting in the control room chatting to the director about nothing to do with the show. Lord Charles was on his knee and the whole time while no-one was talking to him he just kept looking round and saying nothing. It struck me as the sign of a true expert never to let the dummy go dead while you have hold of it.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<br><h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\"><strong>Vernon Dyer<\/strong><\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Nice story about Ray Alan!<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Another example: Ivan Owen and Basil Brush. Although Ivan wasn&#8217;t a vent, as a puppeteer he made sure that Basil Brush was always &#8216;in character&#8217; whenever he was visible, even to just the crew.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<br><h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\"><strong>Doug Puddifoot<\/strong><\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">I saw Basil Brush ask a floor manager to turn a monitor round so he had a better view, and he did.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<br><h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\"><strong>Graeme Wall<\/strong><\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">I used to operate the TVT inlay desk on Basil Brush: it had a joystick for moving the effect around, so during recording breaks I made a bee shape which I \u201cflew\u201d around Basil who acted up to it, snapping at it.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Confused the FM and the stage crew but the kids in the audience loved it as they could see it on the monitors.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<br><h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\"><strong>Roger Bunce<\/strong><\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">People start to believe it. I remember Roland Rat once forgetting his lines. A helpful Floor Assistant arrived with a script &#8211; and showed it to the Rat! Roland did a double-take, followed by an apparently serious attempt to read it. Then, looking at the Floor Assistant, cried, &#8220;I can&#8217;t read this! These eyes are just glass beads, you know!&#8221;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<br><h3><strong>Bernie Newnham<\/strong><\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">I was once Roland Rat&#8217;s right hand.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">For my sins I produced a series called \u201cRoland Rat&#8217;s Easter Extravaganza\u201d &#8211; basically a lot of extended links that we made using the \u201cEastenders\u201d two camera OB in the old ATV control room at Elstree. ATV had left various monitors and stuff, and the place hadn&#8217;t been used since. We turned the gear on, and it worked, so we used it.<br><br>A year or so passed.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">I was just getting up the South Hall stairs to the fourth floor, and a familiar voice called &#8220;Ah Bernie, just the person I need&#8221;. The rat was going to be interviewed on some morning programme, and the girlfriend who operated the right arm had gone sick, or walked out, or something.&nbsp; So up I went to Pres B, where I got down under the desk with David Claridge and a reversed scan monitor and did my bit. I think I had to hold an envelope and wave it around.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<br><h3><strong>Roger Bunce<\/strong><\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">One of the pleasures of being an Inlay Operator was, having a certain amount of free time, the opportunity to entertain cast and production team during rehearsals.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Rather like Graeme Wall&#8217;s &#8220;Bee&#8221;, I once invented a &#8220;Vampire Bat&#8221; Wipe. &#8211; Fold a piece of paper in half; cut half-a-bat shape into the fold, such that a whole bat-shaped hole appears in the centre of the paper when it is straightened; place bat-shaped hole on light box, and inlay black into the white bit. No joy stick in those days, but you could fly your bat around the screen simply by sliding it around the light box, flexing the folded paper to flap its wings. Lots of fun chasing overacting cast around the set on various programs.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<br><h3><strong>Graeme Wall<\/strong><\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p>Ah that was you! I remember seeing it from the studio floor. The bee was very simple; just a small circular wipe filled with black level and move it aound the screen. After the first couple of weeks the gram-op used to play in the appropriate fx.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Geoff Hawkes I remember the \u201cEducating Archie\u201d signature tune from the pre-television days in the late forties and early fifties when the radio, sorry, the wireless was the chief source of entertainment. Morning shows included \u201cHousewives\u2019 Choice\u201d or \u201cChildren\u2019s Choice\u201d &hellip; <a href=\"http:\/\/tech-ops.co.uk\/next\/whos-the-dummy\/\">Continue reading <span class=\"meta-nav\">&rarr;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":6,"featured_media":0,"parent":0,"menu_order":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","template":"","meta":{"_coblocks_attr":"","_coblocks_dimensions":"","_coblocks_responsive_height":"","_coblocks_accordion_ie_support":"","advgb_blocks_editor_width":"","advgb_blocks_columns_visual_guide":"","_monsterinsights_skip_tracking":false,"_monsterinsights_sitenote_active":false,"_monsterinsights_sitenote_note":"","_monsterinsights_sitenote_category":0,"ngg_post_thumbnail":0,"footnotes":""},"categories":[],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-11816","page","type-page","status-publish","hentry"],"coauthors":[],"author_meta":{"author_link":"http:\/\/tech-ops.co.uk\/next\/author\/alec\/","display_name":"Alec Bray"},"relative_dates":{"created":"Posted 5 years ago","modified":"Updated 5 years ago"},"absolute_dates":{"created":"Posted on March 7, 2021","modified":"Updated on March 7, 2021"},"absolute_dates_time":{"created":"Posted on March 7, 2021 12:33 pm","modified":"Updated on March 7, 2021 12:33 pm"},"featured_img_caption":"","featured_img":false,"series_order":"","_links":{"self":[{"href":"http:\/\/tech-ops.co.uk\/next\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/pages\/11816","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"http:\/\/tech-ops.co.uk\/next\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/pages"}],"about":[{"href":"http:\/\/tech-ops.co.uk\/next\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/page"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/tech-ops.co.uk\/next\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/6"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/tech-ops.co.uk\/next\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=11816"}],"version-history":[{"count":6,"href":"http:\/\/tech-ops.co.uk\/next\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/pages\/11816\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":11831,"href":"http:\/\/tech-ops.co.uk\/next\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/pages\/11816\/revisions\/11831"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"http:\/\/tech-ops.co.uk\/next\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=11816"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/tech-ops.co.uk\/next\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=11816"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/tech-ops.co.uk\/next\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=11816"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}